**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 31 02:59:56 2007
Dec 31 04:01:52 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Dec 31 04:02:01 <raddy> I need serious help
Dec 31 04:03:19 <raddy> We are in the process of dropping openmoko based application development if we didn't get a useful reply from you people
Dec 31 04:03:44 <raddy> Please help
Dec 31 04:04:29 <Twey> Hmm
Dec 31 04:04:36 <Twey> That's a logical impossibility
Dec 31 04:05:01 <Twey> You can't be in the process of doing something based on a condition that hasn't occurred yet
Dec 31 04:05:05 <raddy> Building Openmoko is really really painful task
Dec 31 04:05:11 <Twey> Unless you've discovered time travel
Dec 31 04:05:20 <Twey> Have you?
Dec 31 04:05:46 <raddy> Is it possible to bypass the build process?
Dec 31 04:06:50 <Twey> I don't think there's a binary release anywhere yet
Dec 31 04:07:16 <raddy> Or is it possible bypass downloading,
Dec 31 04:08:00 <rwhitby> make flash-qemu-official run-qemu
Dec 31 04:08:25 <Twey> < raddy> Or is it possible bypass downloading, -- what?
Dec 31 04:08:27 <raddy> rwhitby: what that command do?
Dec 31 04:08:36 <rwhitby> raddy: BTW, threats like that don't do much in the open source world.
Dec 31 04:08:43 <Twey> You want to install some software without downloading it?  :-\
Dec 31 04:09:20 <rwhitby> raddy: it runs the openmoko emulator with the latest official binary image
Dec 31 04:10:41 <raddy> Twey : nope, we have fast internet connection in our server, but we are going build openmoko only in a laptop, is possible to download "ALL" needed stuff using our server and move the downloaded stuff to our laptop and start compiling from there?
Dec 31 04:12:09 <raddy> rwhitby: FYI : i am not threating, we just lost so much man hours even for seting up openmoko build environment
Dec 31 04:13:17 <rwhitby> raddy: there is a new binary SDK that's only just come out - I don't know how to use it.
Dec 31 04:13:47 <raddy> rwhitby : ohh, where is it?
Dec 31 04:15:25 <rwhitby> http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/
Dec 31 04:16:35 <Aria> Niiice.
Dec 31 04:16:38 <Aria> That's a good start.
Dec 31 04:16:51 <raddy> rwhitby : wowwww
Dec 31 04:20:18 <raddy> rwhitby : greattttttttttttttttttttttt
Dec 31 04:27:52 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Dec 31 04:29:20 <raddy> For using Openmoko Toolchain, do i need to have any specific version of openmoko distribution in my phone?
Dec 31 05:26:44 <clare> Hi, ?? Please Which files should I put on the SD card so I can boot from it?
Dec 31 05:40:12 <clare> Hi again, sorry for asking a silly question, I am reading wiki/Booting_from_SD so will keep trying a while by myself.
Dec 31 05:40:56 <clare> Problem is I managed to cause the Neo to forget it can read a card type ext2
Dec 31 05:48:13 <ljp> that toolchain is missing bluetooth
Dec 31 05:54:12 <clare> although it is quite able to mke2fs and thus format the card as ext2 - then unable to recognise it.
Dec 31 05:54:35 <clare> I don't have a working Makefile setup currently.
Dec 31 07:19:52 <atul_1> cm, I face this problem have a look on it. http://pastebin.ca/839841
Dec 31 07:21:34 <atul_1> cm, any idea
Dec 31 07:50:52 <NineX> atul_1: google zlib-1.2.3.tar.bz2 , download it , put it into sources directory and rerun
Dec 31 07:50:59 <NineX> ;P
Dec 31 07:51:34 <NineX> atul_1: Resolving www.zlib.net... 0.0.0.0 ??? try to check your resolver ;P
Dec 31 07:54:58 <Atul_> Ninex, ok am trying and back to you. thx
Dec 31 07:55:42 <NineX> clare: ext3 !! not ext2 ;P
Dec 31 07:57:18 <atul_1> Ninex, can you tell me the exact dierectory where to put this  zlib-1.2.3.tar.bz2
Dec 31 07:58:50 <NineX> subdirectory named sources in the same directory where you have putted Makefile
Dec 31 07:59:42 <NineX> aa ant you need to make stamp file
Dec 31 08:00:37 <NineX> touch build/tmp/stamps/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zlib-1.2.3-r2.do_fetch        
Dec 31 08:00:50 <NineX> s/ant/and/
Dec 31 08:01:13 <NineX> then rerun process
Dec 31 08:03:33 <atul_1> Ninext, I think actual in site have it is in maintains it wont allow me to download it says page not found
Dec 31 08:15:29 <clare> NineX,  I have found out a lot since earlier. THe problem of losing the dvice altogether is solved.
Dec 31 08:15:56 <clare> It seems to have been due to using the new uImage at kernel 2.6.23 without at the same time having
Dec 31 08:16:27 <clare> matching modules etc. I have redone the  /media/card and am putting the files in there againt o try to load them
Dec 31 08:17:47 <clare> meantime the failure of normal botting with the printing mixed over the logo has gone away.
Dec 31 08:17:49 <clare> more later,
Dec 31 08:34:38 <NineX> clare: ?
Dec 31 08:38:36 <clare> NineX,  Hi, I tried again to boot from SD, but it sends and error message which went by even faster than
Dec 31 08:39:01 <clare> before I have no chance of reading it. Are such messages findable in the Neo anywhere?
Dec 31 08:39:25 <NineX> nope
Dec 31 08:39:39 <clare> hehe
Dec 31 08:39:44 <NineX> what sd card are you using, what version of u-boot
Dec 31 08:40:36 <NineX> clare: do you tryed with u-boot taken froma buildhost.automated.it ? http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin
Dec 31 08:41:04 <clare> SD card came with the machine 450M size. I did earlier, I can go back to that if it is really good, 
Dec 31 08:41:14 <clare> I will let you know the result
Dec 31 08:42:03 <NineX> clare: tehere are u-boot issues . the last known u-boot version that corectly boot from SD are -r13_0_ 2632_0
Dec 31 08:47:41 <torpor> ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for [])
Dec 31 08:47:45 <torpor> ^^^ wtf?
Dec 31 08:48:17 <torpor> i am booting from SD .. it works well, onc eyou get the right uboot on there.  i bricked a neo trying so ..
Dec 31 08:48:53 <clare> NineX,  Well, progress of a sort, it send a message and then went on to try and boot.
Dec 31 08:49:38 <clare> It is in Panic, it gave a list of partitions then said No filesystem could mount root,
Dec 31 08:49:42 <NineX> clare: connect your debugboard to get acces serial console... then you sholud have full output from your kernel
Dec 31 08:50:22 <clare> tried ext3, cramfs, romfs. ..Hmm I can try ext3 if Neo can wite it.
Dec 31 08:50:29 <NineX> clare: so you have somethink fucked up with kernel and/or boot commandline ;P
Dec 31 08:50:35 <clare> I dont have a debug board..
Dec 31 08:50:55 <NineX> show me your u-boot-env
Dec 31 08:51:16 <clare> sorry i dont understand the question
Dec 31 08:51:45 <NineX> clare: printenv from u-boot comandline
Dec 31 08:53:09 <clare> eh? where is the commandline? 
Dec 31 08:55:22 <clare> final message from kernel was:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,1)
Dec 31 08:56:07 <clare> What I would like to know is whether I have the right things on the card supposing this were fixed.
Dec 31 08:56:42 <clare> What I did was untar the qtopia tar.bz2 and put all the files on /media/card and then put the
Dec 31 08:57:08 <NineX> clare: RTFM
Dec 31 08:57:35 <clare> uImage file in its =directory boot. Oddly it had in there already a link to uImage 2.6.23 but the lib/modules were
Dec 31 08:57:43 <NineX> clare: turnoff your phone
Dec 31 08:57:58 <NineX> press end holed aux button
Dec 31 08:58:02 <clare> 2.6.22, so I put in a uImage of 2.6.22 
Dec 31 08:58:17 <NineX> press power button tu show menu
Dec 31 08:58:30 <NineX> connect your phone to POC host via usb cable
Dec 31 08:58:39 <NineX> s/POC/PC/
Dec 31 08:58:39 <apt> NineX meant: connect your phone to PC host via usb cable
Dec 31 08:58:49 <clare> yes I do that
Dec 31 08:58:59 <NineX> on host computer put cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
Dec 31 08:59:23 <NineX> you sholud have connection to u-boot command line
Dec 31 08:59:31 <NineX> put printenv
Dec 31 08:59:39 <NineX> end use pastebin.ca
Dec 31 09:00:01 <clare> when I do the cu, is that on the normal PC or is it already logged in to the Neo?
Dec 31 09:00:58 <NineX> no cu is a terminal emulator
Dec 31 09:01:24 <NineX> it's connecting to termianl output of your u-boot
Dec 31 09:02:29 <NineX> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Getting_access_to_the_bootloader_console
Dec 31 09:02:36 <NineX> rad this
Dec 31 09:02:41 <NineX> s/rad/read/
Dec 31 09:02:41 <apt> NineX meant: read this
Dec 31 09:03:55 <clare> Yes, I will, there will be some delay now...
Dec 31 09:04:49 <NineX> clare: http://pastebin.ca/839887 <- compare your Boot from SD entry with mine 
Dec 31 09:07:56 <NineX> clare: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux <- you will need exactly this
Dec 31 09:08:43 <torpor> man what is up with this weeks release?
Dec 31 09:08:48 <torpor> ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for [])
Dec 31 09:09:17 <NineX> torpor: http://pastebin.ca/838804
Dec 31 09:09:18 <NineX> :>
Dec 31 09:09:23 <NineX> tthereis more
Dec 31 09:09:35 <torpor> oh fuck
Dec 31 09:10:01 <torpor> wtf, so much for the 'release engineer' doing his job.
Dec 31 09:10:20 <torpor> her'es a rule: if you can't build it yourself, DON'T CHECK IT INTO THE PUBLIC TREE!  some of us depend on this build working to completion ..
Dec 31 09:11:16 <NineX> hehehe
Dec 31 09:11:45 <torpor> not funny
Dec 31 09:11:54 * torpor goes off to buy a nokia n810 instead ..
Dec 31 09:12:04 <torpor> oh wait, their build system is b0rked too .. 
Dec 31 09:12:05 <torpor> gah!
Dec 31 09:14:35 <CVirus> hehe http://xkcd.com/364/
Dec 31 09:40:54 * ScaredyCat stabs random people
Dec 31 09:41:05 <clare> NineX, I have done the compare yu asked for it is at http://pastebin.ca/839910 but have not
Dec 31 09:41:14 <clare> done any reading yet. thanks
Dec 31 09:53:36 <clare> NineX, I tried the next item,/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux but the first command lsusb came back
Dec 31 09:55:14 <hrw> clare: you just got gta01?
Dec 31 09:55:16 <clare> Unknown Command (and the earlier one on the PC, chown uucp.. got invalid user)
Dec 31 09:56:12 <clare> hrw: no I got it some time back. quite early. but I am not a "developer"
Dec 31 09:57:55 <hrw> I suggest to stay with booting from flash
Dec 31 09:58:44 <clare> hrw. thanks for the thought, but if I was not a trier i wouldn't have bought the Neo :)
Dec 31 10:01:43 <hrw> torpor: it was fixed already
Dec 31 10:20:13 <rtp> jeddy3: ping ?
Dec 31 10:24:38 <rwhitby> clare from WA?
Dec 31 10:26:07 <clare> rwhitby, yes, Hi.
Dec 31 10:26:40 <rwhitby> g'day
Dec 31 10:26:45 <rwhitby> (and HNY)
Dec 31 10:27:07 <clare> rwhitby, and to you, cheers,
Dec 31 10:44:53 <jeddy3> rtp, pong :)
Dec 31 10:53:18 <rtp> jeddy3: hehe :)
Dec 31 10:55:24 <rtp> jeddy3: did you succeed ? 
Dec 31 10:57:41 <jeddy3> rtp, no :|
Dec 31 10:58:30 <jeddy3> rtp, i managed to get neo to send nmea over rfcomm, but n800 refuses to use them :P
Dec 31 10:58:47 <rtp> jeddy3: can you try this small script : http://www.rtp-net.org/openmoko/gps ? [ you need gpsd on your neo ]
Dec 31 10:59:42 <rtp> jeddy3: it's working here with maemo-mapper on os2008
Dec 31 10:59:58 <jeddy3> rtp: sure, give me some moments though, neo is discharged as always :)
Dec 31 11:00:06 <jeddy3> rtp, nice!
Dec 31 11:00:40 <rtp> jeddy3: take 2 neos and play with one while the other is charging :)
Dec 31 11:00:50 <jeddy3> :D
Dec 31 11:01:07 <jeddy3> rtp, what does that produce on n800's rfcomm?
Dec 31 11:02:12 <rwhitby> jeddy3: I've had maemo mapper on n800 receiving nmea from neo before
Dec 31 11:02:19 <rwhitby> you have to wait till the neo gets a fix
Dec 31 11:02:31 <jeddy3> rwhitby, yes i have done that
Dec 31 11:03:23 <rtp> rwhitby: even with a fix, it's not working here if you use something like 'cat' on the neo side
Dec 31 11:03:28 <jeddy3> rwhitby, and i have the n800 receiving all the nmea messages _with fix_ on rfcomm0 but i can't get either build in map software or maemo-mapper to recognize it
Dec 31 11:03:47 <jeddy3> rtp, cat is what i used :)
Dec 31 11:04:21 <jeddy3> rtp, i figured something was slightly wrong with the rfcomm stream, because it looks ok, but is not used anyway
Dec 31 11:05:10 <rwhitby> note that I did this with the 2007.1 and the original gllin, not the new chrooted one on eabi 2007.2
Dec 31 11:05:28 <jeddy3> rwhitby, hmm ok
Dec 31 11:05:31 <SpeedEvil> jeddy3: what do you mweanb by 'with fix'
Dec 31 11:05:36 <SpeedEvil> pate one GPGGA line
Dec 31 11:06:02 <SpeedEvil> s/a/as/
Dec 31 11:06:02 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: paste one GPGGA line
Dec 31 11:06:04 <jeddy3> SpeedEvil, just that the messages received are "fixed" ones
Dec 31 11:06:11 <rtp> jeddy3: yeah. If one run cat /dev/rfcomm0 | hexdump -C on the maemo side, he'll see 0x0d 0x0d 0x0a iirc even if the /tmp/nmeaNP was sending the right 0x0d 0x0a
Dec 31 11:06:42 <jeddy3> rtp, oh
Dec 31 11:07:25 <jeddy3> SpeedEvil, wait...i don't think i have one for pasting right now :)...neo is charging
Dec 31 11:08:10 <jeddy3> SpeedEvil, but it contains "...,FIX,..." and the "...,3,..." instead of "...,1,..."
Dec 31 11:08:36 <jeddy3> or wait, is it the other way around?
Dec 31 11:09:30 <rtp> jeddy3: if you have '$PGLOR,FIX,1.0' , you have a fix :)
Dec 31 11:10:09 <jeddy3> rtp, yes that was it...was recalling from memory :)
Dec 31 11:10:29 <SpeedEvil> $GPGGA,121805.000,5611.8982,N,00310.4350,W,1,11,0.7,92.4,M,49.5,M,,0000*79
Dec 31 11:10:40 <SpeedEvil> sjhould be the general form if you've got a fix too
Dec 31 11:11:13 <jeddy3> SpeedEvil, yeah...i think it contains a lot of empty tokens if not
Dec 31 11:13:04 <jeddy3> SpeedEvil, rtp, but i have a feeling that wrong hexdump format might be it actually, because the transmitted nmea "looks" right
Dec 31 11:13:57 <jeddy3> rtp, btw, how do you get maemo-mapper to use rfcomm0, the "file path" option?
Dec 31 11:15:00 <rtp> jeddy3: GPS tab, "bluetooth" 
Dec 31 11:15:29 <jeddy3> rtp, doh! yeah nothing :)
Dec 31 11:15:44 <jeddy3> rtp, of course x)
Dec 31 11:46:45 <sreekant1> Hi all
Dec 31 11:47:24 <sreekant1> got the following error when i tried executing "om-conf openmoko-sample2"
Dec 31 11:47:32 <sreekant1> http://pastebin.com/d13c0aea9
Dec 31 11:47:48 <sreekant1> what could be the reason for the error ?
Dec 31 12:03:59 <starox_away> sreekanth: See config.log in /home/sreekanth/openmoko-sample2/ 
Dec 31 12:04:11 <starox_away> I bet your compiler is not in PATH
Dec 31 12:04:21 <sreekanth> oh
Dec 31 12:04:58 <starox_away> sreekanth: or in CCACHE_DIR
Dec 31 12:05:44 <sreekanth> starox_away: what is CCACHE_DIR ?
Dec 31 12:06:46 <starox_away> forget it :) I mistaken with CCACHE_PATH
Dec 31 12:07:09 <starox_away> CCACHE_PATH is the dir where ccache will search binaries
Dec 31 12:07:18 <sreekanth> ok ..
Dec 31 12:07:38 <starox_away> (CCACHE_DIR is where ccache puts cache files)
Dec 31 12:11:42 <sreekanth> starox_away: there is a line "configure: exit 77" at the end of the config.log file
Dec 31 12:14:16 <sreekanth> starox_away: here is the config.log file http://pastebin.com/d2cbe1ed7
Dec 31 12:17:51 <jeddy3> rtp, yes! it works :D
Dec 31 12:18:00 <jeddy3> rtp, thank you!
Dec 31 12:23:38 <rtp> jeddy3: you're welcome :)
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 31 12:50:35 2007
Dec 31 13:07:07 <sreekanth> hi all
Dec 31 13:07:21 <starox_away> sreekanth: I think it use the native arm compiler (arm->arm) not the crosscompiler (xxx->arm)
Dec 31 13:07:51 <starox_away> I'm not sure
Dec 31 13:08:20 <sreekanth> starox_away : you know how to make to use cross compiler ?
Dec 31 13:10:19 <sreekanth> starox: can u suggest me any solution ??
Dec 31 13:10:29 <starox> sreekanth: I'm not used to openmoko/openembedded stuff. 
Dec 31 13:10:54 <sreekanth> oh ok ..
Dec 31 13:12:01 <starox> sreekanth: Tell me which doc you follow .. how did you make your crosscompiler ? And first : file /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc
Dec 31 13:12:34 <sreekanth> starox: i am following the doc http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Dec 31 13:14:04 <starox> sreekanth: You download the .tar.gz or use bitbake to build your own ?
Dec 31 13:18:28 <starox> sreekanth|brb: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Exec format error -> I'm pretty sure the cross-compiler is not compiled for your host machine.
Dec 31 13:32:07 <sreekanth> starox: How do i compile it for my machine ?
Dec 31 13:32:18 <sreekanth> i actually downloaded the cross compiler
Dec 31 13:37:16 <sreekanth> how do i compile the cross compiler for my host ?
Dec 31 13:41:37 <starox> sreekanth: It's on the page you gave me : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing
Dec 31 13:42:19 <starox> sreekanth: Have you downloaded the right archive ? what is the output of : file /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc
Dec 31 13:42:59 <sreekanth> starox: /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped
Dec 31 13:43:34 <starox> and file /bin/ls ?
Dec 31 14:19:15 * ScaredyCat yawns
Dec 31 14:23:45 * SpeedEvil sighs and wishes he could buy 32*32 camera modules cheap.
Dec 31 14:25:39 * ewon too
Dec 31 14:26:05 <ewon> one can hack together a high-speed slow motion camera array with that many sensors
Dec 31 14:26:11 * ScaredyCat blames mickeyl for breaking stuff
Dec 31 14:26:33 * SpeedEvil wants them for a panoramic camera (360*360) to locate the sun.
Dec 31 14:26:45 <ScaredyCat> just look up :)
Dec 31 14:26:53 * SpeedEvil is building a UAV, and may be going overkill on the attitude sensors.
Dec 31 14:27:03 <ScaredyCat> gps unit?
Dec 31 14:27:09 <ScaredyCat> diy missile?
Dec 31 14:27:28 <ewon> heh
Dec 31 14:27:32 <SpeedEvil> GPS + 3d accelerometer + 3 axis gyro + sun-sensor + 3 axis magnetometer.
Dec 31 14:27:35 * ewon awaits the black helicoptors
Dec 31 14:27:40 <SpeedEvil> +barometer
Dec 31 14:28:01 <ewon> I got abused by a british airways hostess for using my gps on the plane
Dec 31 14:28:03 <ScaredyCat> http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/
Dec 31 14:28:14 <mickeyl> ScaredyCat: heh, what did i?
Dec 31 14:28:17 <mickeyl> +do
Dec 31 14:28:24 <SpeedEvil> ScaredyCat: Bruce what'shisname?
Dec 31 14:28:45 <ScaredyCat> mickeyl: glib-native-2.0
Dec 31 14:28:52 <ScaredyCat> SpeedEvil: ya
Dec 31 14:29:09 <mickeyl> ScaredyCat: didn't touch that since ages
Dec 31 14:29:17 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png (quick render)
Dec 31 14:29:22 <ScaredyCat> it doesn;t exist mickeyl :)
Dec 31 14:29:39 <SpeedEvil> (of the UAV)
Dec 31 14:29:42 <ScaredyCat> but it is required for your new openmoko-terminal2
Dec 31 14:29:48 <mickeyl> aah
Dec 31 14:29:52 <mickeyl> not for the terminal
Dec 31 14:29:58 <mickeyl> guess that's introduced by vala-native
Dec 31 14:29:59 <mickeyl> let me check
Dec 31 14:30:02 <ScaredyCat> ya
Dec 31 14:30:21 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 31 14:30:24 <mickeyl> glib-2.0-native
Dec 31 14:30:25 <mickeyl> vs.
Dec 31 14:30:28 <mickeyl> glib-native-2.0
Dec 31 14:30:28 <mickeyl> ;)
Dec 31 14:30:30 <mickeyl> sorry
Dec 31 14:30:31 <mickeyl> fixing
Dec 31 14:30:39 <ScaredyCat> :)
Dec 31 14:30:46 <ScaredyCat> wtf is that SpeedEvil!
Dec 31 14:31:33 <SpeedEvil> ScaredyCat: it's a UAV optimised for taking pictures at altitude. The nacelles have battery, camera, computer in.
Dec 31 14:32:03 <ScaredyCat> sweet... for a diy goole earch type thing ?
Dec 31 14:32:12 <ScaredyCat> earth
Dec 31 14:32:14 <SpeedEvil> That's the idea. Well.
Dec 31 14:32:17 <SpeedEvil> To sell them.
Dec 31 14:32:33 <ScaredyCat> estimated cost? (consumer)
Dec 31 14:32:46 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure.
Dec 31 14:32:59 <SpeedEvil> V0 would be about 400 quid.
Dec 31 14:33:17 <ScaredyCat> ok, no not like 4k then :) 
Dec 31 14:33:22 <SpeedEvil> But that's probably overkill dramatically on the required stuff.
Dec 31 14:33:39 <ScaredyCat> k.. so  sub 250 after a bit then
Dec 31 14:33:41 <ScaredyCat> ?
Dec 31 14:33:46 <SpeedEvil> It depends.
Dec 31 14:33:52 <SpeedEvil> At the moment it's about a kilo.
Dec 31 14:34:04 <SpeedEvil> Much of that is due to using an off-the-shelf digicam.
Dec 31 14:34:07 <ScaredyCat> ouch
Dec 31 14:34:49 <SpeedEvil> It could shrink down to easily half that, and become better aerodynamically with a custom camera.
Dec 31 14:34:53 <SpeedEvil> But that gets expensive.
Dec 31 14:35:53 <ScaredyCat> I guess the problem is that the picture quality needs to be good otherwise it's pointless
Dec 31 14:36:00 <SpeedEvil> It's a tradeoff.
Dec 31 14:36:14 <SpeedEvil> A) aim for pure altitude and take great pics.
Dec 31 14:36:38 <SpeedEvil> B) poorer pics lower to the ground, but lots of them. This means increased loiter time.
Dec 31 14:38:42 <SpeedEvil> B) also implies wings or fuel power not battery.
Dec 31 14:39:09 <SpeedEvil> which means either horizontal landing, which is nasty and dangerous, or maintainance issues.
Dec 31 14:40:09 <ScaredyCat> have you seen those quad hover thingys?
Dec 31 14:40:24 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Dec 31 14:40:55 <SpeedEvil> I want this thing to be ideally _reliable_. I'm hoping for >500 launches without issues.
Dec 31 14:51:55 <magellan> speedEvil: are you using the OM to control a camera enabled UAV?
Dec 31 14:52:05 <SpeedEvil> magellan: no.
Dec 31 14:52:33 <SpeedEvil> magellan: unless I got a board from a partially functioning phone free
Dec 31 14:52:46 <magellan> oh so the above isn't associated with OM, I didn't read all of it
Dec 31 14:52:51 <SpeedEvil> The full phone is a bit too heavy.
Dec 31 14:52:59 <magellan> what are you using to control the plane and camera
Dec 31 14:53:01 <magellan> I see
Dec 31 14:54:16 <magellan> sounds like fun though
Dec 31 14:54:41 <SpeedEvil> probably tincantools.com 's thingy.
Dec 31 14:54:48 <SpeedEvil> and lots of sensors
Dec 31 14:56:21 <magellan> Im still struggeling with my usb issues
Dec 31 14:56:34 <SpeedEvil> were you trying to put it in host mode?
Dec 31 14:56:40 <magellan> I got the Host patch in there but now I have to get the driver in the kernel
Dec 31 14:56:45 <magellan> yes
Dec 31 14:57:22 <SpeedEvil> I'd try finding where the mokomakefle puts the kernel source code, then patch there.
Dec 31 14:57:42 <SpeedEvil> then run a nomrmal make openmoko-devel-image and install teh kernel
Dec 31 14:57:46 <SpeedEvil> kernel/rootfs
Dec 31 14:58:41 <magellan> ><
Dec 31 14:58:56 <SpeedEvil> This is certainly not the right way to do it
Dec 31 14:59:19 <magellan> this is what I need: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x356.html
Dec 31 14:59:44 <magellan> I need to insmod the kernel in the OM as if it were in my computer
Dec 31 15:00:15 <yashi> Happy New Year
Dec 31 15:00:53 <magellan> grr wrong link:http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x356.html    this is what I need to get in there
Dec 31 15:01:06 <magellan> the generic usb-serial driver
Dec 31 15:01:44 <SpeedEvil> you don't care about that at first
Dec 31 15:01:51 <SpeedEvil> you just care about getting lsusb working
Dec 31 15:02:01 <SpeedEvil> worry about getting your particular thing working later
Dec 31 15:02:43 <magellan> ok, lsusb is included but doesn't show the device once it is pluged in 
Dec 31 15:02:57 <SpeedEvil> right - so the device is not in host mode.
Dec 31 15:03:01 <SpeedEvil> the port
Dec 31 15:03:05 <magellan> it doesn't show up, I assumed because the driver isn't there
Dec 31 15:03:11 <SpeedEvil> or there is something wrong.
Dec 31 15:03:13 <SpeedEvil> nope.
Dec 31 15:03:18 <SpeedEvil> it'll show up.
Dec 31 15:03:29 <SpeedEvil> you don't need a driver before lsusb works
Dec 31 15:03:33 <magellan> so lsusb should display it even if there is no driver for it
Dec 31 15:03:37 <magellan> hmm
Dec 31 15:04:53 <magellan> well I did the patch for host mode and can now change usb_mode to host instead of device, Is there somehting I don't know about?
Dec 31 15:05:40 <SpeedEvil> I don't know.
Dec 31 15:05:49 <SpeedEvil> It's possible the patch is broken.
Dec 31 15:05:51 <magellan> me either
Dec 31 15:05:56 <SpeedEvil> It's possible you've miswired the cable.
Dec 31 15:06:20 <SpeedEvil> It's possible the neo is broken in that the pullups cannot be disabled.
Dec 31 15:06:30 <magellan> that is always possible, but not too likly, Im not colorblind
Dec 31 15:06:45 <SpeedEvil> you've got 5V power seperate?
Dec 31 15:06:51 <magellan> ya
Dec 31 15:06:56 <SpeedEvil> also - 99.9% of cables share the same colouyr8ing.
Dec 31 15:07:04 <SpeedEvil> a very few don't.
Dec 31 15:07:35 <magellan> I have two leads comming out for power and the green and white are connected to green and white
Dec 31 15:08:04 <magellan> has anyone actually used the thing as a USB host or are we just assuming that host mode will work
Dec 31 15:08:21 <SpeedEvil> As far as I know, just assuming.
Dec 31 15:08:29 <magellan> great
Dec 31 15:10:37 <mjr> IIRC somebody said here that it'd worked for him, but not positive
Dec 31 15:10:59 <SpeedEvil> I think that was a comment about it working in qemu
Dec 31 15:11:07 <SpeedEvil> which isn't really helpful.
Dec 31 15:11:35 <mjr> if it was, indeed it isn't
Dec 31 15:12:28 <magellan> right, I have it patched and the switch shows up for usb_mode, and I can change it to host, but there is no way to ensure it is working other then plugging something in
Dec 31 15:15:34 <rtp> magellan: do you have an url for the patch for host mode ? 
Dec 31 15:16:12 <magellan> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876
Dec 31 15:16:24 <magellan> it is an attachment here
Dec 31 15:19:13 <magellan> rtp: any thoughts?
Dec 31 15:25:12 <rtp> magellan: the first thing I see is the two  s3c2410_gpio_setpin(S3C2410_GPE5, X) calls. GPE5 are for the SD device
Dec 31 15:27:06 <rtp> magellan: try changing to S3C2410_GPE5 to GTA01_GPIO_USB_PULLUP
Dec 31 15:41:15 <magellan> rtp: alright, Im editing the patch, two places, one for each mode
Dec 31 15:41:21 <magellan> we will see what this does.
Dec 31 15:45:09 <jeddy3> whats with the "Not searching", "Not searching",... spam? :)
Dec 31 15:51:57 <magellan> rtp: that failed to compile
Dec 31 15:52:49 <rtp> magellan: missing header ? :)
Dec 31 15:53:21 <magellan> I don't know, I just got the error and now Im looking into it
Dec 31 15:53:38 <rtp> magellan: do you have #include <asm/arch/gta01.h> ?
Dec 31 15:54:12 <magellan> nope
Dec 31 15:55:33 <magellan> but I'll put it in a ive it a shot
Dec 31 16:03:23 <magellan> rtp: Im not getting this to work
Dec 31 16:03:42 <magellan> should I have the + in front of the include?
Dec 31 16:06:07 <rtp> you're modifying the patch by hand and not the ohci-s3c2410.c file ?
Dec 31 16:06:41 <magellan> I am modifying the patch
Dec 31 16:07:43 <rtp> ah. I see. Use S3C2410_GPB9 instead. You won't have to add the extra header
Dec 31 16:08:24 <magellan> Ya I just saw that and am now compiling it. we will see
Dec 31 16:15:26 <ScaredyCat> mickeyl: ping
Dec 31 16:17:29 <magellan> rtp: looks as if it will compile, now to load and test
Dec 31 16:24:25 <mickeyl> ScaredyCat: pöng
Dec 31 16:24:59 <ScaredyCat> ooo.. umlaut too :)
Dec 31 16:25:38 <ScaredyCat> vte is vte-0.16.8 but vte-0.16.9 is required 
Dec 31 16:26:17 <mickeyl> override the PREFERRED_VERSION please
Dec 31 16:26:24 <mickeyl> will do that in openmoko.conf soon
Dec 31 16:26:29 <ScaredyCat> k
Dec 31 17:40:09 <cayco> anyone here?
Dec 31 17:40:47 <magellan> I am
Dec 31 17:41:15 <magellan> rtp: are you around?
Dec 31 17:43:33 <wurp2> I'm here too
Dec 31 17:44:00 <mwester> I'm virtually here.  In reality, I'm in my office, supposedly at work.
Dec 31 17:44:07 <wurp2> likewise
Dec 31 17:44:20 <wurp2> they block irc, of course
Dec 31 17:44:22 <magellan> me as well
Dec 31 17:44:38 <wurp2> fortunately, they don't block ssh tunneled through their http proxy over 443
Dec 31 17:45:10 <magellan> http://ircatwork.com   I just use this website
Dec 31 17:45:42 <mwester> Wide open (outbound) network here...
Dec 31 17:45:49 <wurp2> I'm afraid to put it into the web browser - they try to block any site relating to IMing
Dec 31 17:47:11 <wurp2> Has anyone here had the modem firmware upgrade done?
Dec 31 17:49:23 <wurp2> Am I correct in my understanding that phone & sms basically completely work in the latest root image?
Dec 31 17:49:30 <wurp2> I think you had to install another app to do the SMS
Dec 31 17:57:47 <magellan> SpeedEvil: are you around?
Dec 31 17:57:52 <SpeedEvil> yes
Dec 31 18:00:09 <magellan> I got it to show up in lsusb, rtp helped me find a wrong pin selection in the usb host patch for the neo
Dec 31 18:00:20 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 31 18:00:24 <SpeedEvil> Great!
Dec 31 18:00:34 <magellan> now I juat have to get the usb_serial driver into the kernel
Dec 31 18:07:23 <mwester> magellan:  can you update the bug report with that original patch to reflect the pin number change?
Dec 31 18:07:48 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 31 18:11:04 <magellan> mwester: should I edit the patch or just put a note with the bug report that I had to do X to get it to work.
Dec 31 18:11:44 <magellan> I have only tested by plugging something in and verifying it in lsusb
Dec 31 18:32:49 <mwester> Just put a note with the bug report.
Dec 31 18:33:34 <mwester> I'm curious where the original reporter of this got the information regarding the GPIO pin -- perhaps it's a different pin on different version of the GTA01/2?
Dec 31 18:34:33 <magellan> I don't know, rtp helped me realize that it was the wrong one and I edited the patch and it worked
Dec 31 18:34:58 <mjr> magellan, so you have host mode working on actual hardware?
Dec 31 18:35:30 * mwester needs to make up one of those cables.
Dec 31 18:36:15 * mwester wonders if such a cable will also work with his n800
Dec 31 18:36:48 <mjr> iirc yeah at least if you feed power to that direction also
Dec 31 18:37:01 <magellan> Let me be very specific,     I patched it, built it, loaded it onto the OM, set usb_mode to host, plugged in a usb device with my own home made cable, and the device information shows up under lsusb
Dec 31 18:37:55 <magellan> the device is usb-serial so now I am looking into how the driver should be built into the kernel so it will show up as a tty device.
Dec 31 18:38:00 <mjr> *nod*
Dec 31 18:38:31 <magellan> basically it could still crap out at any step but it does show up
Dec 31 18:38:34 <mjr> getting to lsusb does seem to be likely to be most of it...
Dec 31 18:38:38 <mwester> magellan:  what is the vendor and device id from lsusb?
Dec 31 18:39:04 <SpeedEvil> magellan: have you had the serial device working with any linux?
Dec 31 18:39:16 <magellan> I'd rather not say as it is for work. 
Dec 31 18:39:28 <magellan> I have had it working under ubuntu and fedora core 6
Dec 31 18:39:41 <mwester> Ooooh secrets!
Dec 31 18:39:47 <magellan> we have an application to drive it and now Im porting it to the device
Dec 31 18:39:53 <magellan> once I get the driver in there
Dec 31 18:40:26 <magellan> mwester: have you ever seen a professionally made three headed usb cable
Dec 31 18:40:34 <magellan> ?
Dec 31 18:41:03 <mwester> I was going to suggest just "ipkg install kernel-module-usbserial kernel-module-pl2303" but it isn't so simple if it's custom hardware.
Dec 31 18:41:20 <mwester> Yep, I have the three-head cable for an external laptop usb drive.
Dec 31 18:41:34 <magellan> where does one get that
Dec 31 18:41:44 <magellan> we have one here but can't find where to buy another one
Dec 31 18:42:09 <mwester> I got it with the enclosure, one of those no-name taiwanese ones from an eBay store.
Dec 31 18:42:24 <magellan> 2 inch HD enclosure
Dec 31 18:42:26 <magellan> ?
Dec 31 18:42:45 <mwester> Yep, 2.5" hd enclosure.
Dec 31 18:43:18 <magellan> that seems reasonable, now I have to find one by itself
Dec 31 18:46:15 <magellan> mwester: it does use the generic usb-serial driver though
Dec 31 23:08:22 <NineX> happy new year
Dec 31 23:08:34 <peepsalot> happy bnu year
Dec 31 23:08:40 <peepsalot> er gnu year
Dec 31 23:15:27 <ScaredyCat> hny
Dec 31 23:15:39 <NineX> :>
Dec 31 23:25:10 <TeNoVi> Happy new year! God nytt år!
Dec 31 23:27:14 <aevin>  TeNoVi: godt nyttår, ja :) (happy new year)
Dec 31 23:28:33 <NineX> :>
Dec 31 23:58:10 <hrw|gone> Happy New Year guys!
Dec 31 23:58:12 <hrw|gone> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/01/2007-timeline/
Dec 31 23:58:21 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 31 23:58:25 <SpeedEvil> 1 min to here.
Dec 31 23:59:06 <SpeedEvil> Happy new year all. 
Dec 31 23:59:07 <hrw|gone> Happy New Year SpeedEvil then ;)
Dec 31 23:59:16 <raynet> that
Dec 31 23:59:55 <raynet> if the rest of the year continues like the first 2 hours so far, it will be a great year
Jan 01 00:00:15 * hrw|gone -> bed
Jan 01 00:01:32 * SpeedEvil .location=&bed
Jan 01 01:38:51 <Mononoke> =] happy new year to all of you
Jan 01 01:41:01 <Twey> Happy new year, feliz año nuevo, bonne année, 明けましておめでとうございます
Jan 01 01:41:14 <Twey> &c.
Jan 01 01:41:22 * Twey hopes it will be better than the last one.
Jan 01 01:41:59 <CVirus> sure it will be ... it's an even year
Jan 01 01:43:03 <Twey> Even years are good?
Jan 01 01:43:07 <madwoota> oh wow, unicode
Jan 01 01:43:11 <Twey> It's divisible by eight
Jan 01 01:43:19 <Twey> That's got to be lucky
Jan 01 01:43:24 <CVirus> indeeed
Jan 01 01:43:29 <Twey> And ends with eight
Jan 01 01:43:33 <madwoota> and its a leap year ! :)
Jan 01 01:43:37 <CVirus> how many beers have yo ugot ?
Jan 01 01:43:39 <CVirus> you got*
Jan 01 01:43:46 <Twey> Grand total of zero
Jan 01 01:43:51 <CVirus> zomg
Jan 01 01:43:56 <Twey> I'm avoiding going alcoholic right now :-P
Jan 01 01:44:11 <Twey> That's how bad this last year was :-P
Jan 01 01:44:13 <CVirus> why man ?
Jan 01 01:44:16 <CVirus> hehe
Jan 01 01:44:25 <Twey> Haha, why avoid it?  :-P
Jan 01 01:44:27 <CVirus> HAPPY GNU BEEER EVERYBODY
Jan 01 01:44:42 <Twey> xD
Jan 01 01:45:00 <CVirus> who wants root access on my machine :-D ?\
Jan 01 01:45:15 <CVirus> I gess I'll shut up
Jan 01 01:45:18 <CVirus> guess*
Jan 01 01:46:14 <Twey> Haha
Jan 01 01:46:17 <Twey> I'll take it!
Jan 01 01:47:24 <CVirus> I wish I was spending my new year's eve with the GTA02
Jan 01 01:47:34 <CVirus> after that stupid girl dumped me
Jan 01 01:47:50 <Twey> Heh, best use of root ever was when someone gave me his root password... I set up a cron job on my machine, then with only a few glances at my watch "accidentally" waved a magnet around near his monitor just in time to watch it go orange
Jan 01 01:48:12 <Twey> He wasn't very technically savvy and freaked
Jan 01 01:48:24 <Twey> Eh, you too?
Jan 01 01:48:36 <CVirus> yeah
Jan 01 01:49:45 <CVirus> Twey: I'm lucky enough though that I got my studies and my "stupid toy" to keep me busy
Jan 01 01:51:05 <Twey> Eh, I buggered up my studies and also my chance of obtaining money to spend on "stupid toys"
Jan 01 01:51:30 <Twey> Several chances, actually
Jan 01 01:51:35 <Twey> What a great year 2k7 was, let's all give it a pat on the back...
Jan 01 01:52:03 * CVirus kicks 2007 in the nuts
Jan 01 01:52:44 <CVirus> 2007 witnessed my first time ever to ask a girl out .. hehe
Jan 01 01:52:48 <CVirus> failure
Jan 01 01:53:00 <CVirus> more beer needed .. LOL
Jan 01 01:54:02 <SpeedEvil> Drunken snoring is not consent.
Jan 01 01:54:34 <CVirus> sorry
Jan 01 01:54:50 <CVirus> I'll shut up
Jan 01 01:55:00 <Twey> Heh
Jan 01 01:55:14 <Twey> CVirus, read it again, he wasn't criticising :-P
Jan 01 01:55:28 <Twey> Well... not that anyway :-P
Jan 01 01:55:44 <CVirus> maybe I'm veing over sensitive
Jan 01 01:55:47 <CVirus> being*
Jan 01 01:56:35 <CVirus> stupid country ... it never goes lower than 10C
Jan 01 01:58:40 <Mononoke> bah you don't want lower temp :S it was terrible outside
Jan 01 01:58:54 <Mononoke> whey too much alcohol in blood to be able to stay there :S
Jan 01 01:59:09 <Twey> Yeah
Jan 01 02:00:35 <CVirus> yeah .. hehe
Jan 01 02:02:50 <Twey> Lonewords?
Jan 01 02:02:58 <Twey> Er... wrong channel
Jan 01 02:41:37 <cesarb> HAPPY NEW YEAR! (40 minutes late, just got back from the fireworks)
Jan 01 02:41:57 <borg_> 3 hours and 40 minutes late here ;)
Jan 01 02:42:08 <moko-bunny> 5 hours early here :)
Jan 01 02:42:14 <borg_> :P
Jan 01 02:49:25 <borg_> lets see, that means cesarb is either in greenland or brazil and moko-bunny is in russia or china or india
Jan 01 02:49:28 <borg_> right? :)
Jan 01 02:50:08 <cesarb> borg_: Brazil here
Jan 01 02:50:25 <cesarb> borg_: Rio de Janeiro to be more precise
Jan 01 02:50:29 <borg_> nice :)
Jan 01 02:50:52 <thomasg> goooood morning vietnam
Jan 01 02:58:41 <moko-bunny> russia? it may be more fascist now, but it's still the usa :-P
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