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Jan 01 03:00:11 <borg_> moko-bunny: than 5 hours early makes no sense :)
Jan 01 03:00:30 <moko-bunny> in 5 hours, it will be new year.  zulu -8 here
Jan 01 03:00:37 <borg_> ah, you mean 5 hours early then cesarb? i thought you mean 5 hours until 0:00
Jan 01 03:00:39 <borg_> ok ;)
Jan 01 03:00:44 <borg_> mh
Jan 01 03:00:45 <borg_> ok
Jan 01 03:00:48 <borg_> *confused*
Jan 01 03:01:04 <moko-bunny> umm..it is 5 hours until 00:00 :)
Jan 01 03:01:26 <borg_> yes
Jan 01 03:01:28 <borg_> right
Jan 01 03:01:50 <moko-bunny> w00t!  for a minute I thought I was in a bad Star Trek time loop episode :o
Jan 01 03:02:15 <cesarb> borg_: he meant I was 5 hours early for him with my new years greeting, not that new years was 5 hours early for him
Jan 01 03:02:37 <cesarb> (yeah, time zones can be confusing, especially when you accidentally flip a sign)
Jan 01 03:02:59 <borg_> yes, it totally confuses me at the momment :)
Jan 01 03:04:04 <moko-bunny> regardless of timezone, though, 2008 brings GTA02 :D
Jan 01 03:04:13 <cesarb> borg_: I always remember: I'm at GMT-3 (except on summer time when I'm at GMT-2), and Greenwich (which is GMT) is to the east. I calculate from there (always on GMT so as to not lose track of the signs)
Jan 01 03:04:40 <cesarb> moko-bunny: which even has extra hardware, meaning the battery will run down even faster :D
Jan 01 03:05:06 <moko-bunny> I'm cheating, I have Qlock installed :)  wish it was still free :-/
Jan 01 03:05:37 <moko-bunny> cesarb: yeah, /me needs to figure out a car charger and then I'll be set :)
Jan 01 03:05:40 <borg_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/2007-02-20_time_zones_white_bck.svg
Jan 01 03:05:46 <borg_> china has only one timezone?
Jan 01 03:06:04 * cesarb has to finish this cpufreq code so the battery will last longer
Jan 01 03:06:14 <cesarb> borg_: yeah, a single timezone. Neat, isn't it?
Jan 01 03:06:20 * SpeedEvil has - hopedfully - debug board on way
Jan 01 03:06:32 <SpeedEvil> so /me plans to do some more stuff on cpufreq/uboot
Jan 01 03:06:36 <borg_> uhm, sunrise must be at 14:00 in some regions there
Jan 01 03:07:02 <SpeedEvil> In much of china they have little need of clocks.
Jan 01 03:07:15 <SpeedEvil> One hell of a lot of dirt-poor there.
Jan 01 03:08:19 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: so far I've written (but not tested or even compiled) the cpufreq driver, and changed the idle routine so as to not enter idle from slow mode. I still have to write the cpufreq notifiers for the drivers before I can test.
Jan 01 03:08:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 01 03:08:39 <borg_> cesarb: nice!
Jan 01 03:08:54 <SpeedEvil> This is simply slow to 36(?) Mhz - the minimum specified clock?
Jan 01 03:08:59 <SpeedEvil> not going to slow mode?
Jan 01 03:09:21 <cesarb> borg_: don't get so excited, I didn't even COMPILE it yet!
Jan 01 03:09:34 * moko-bunny wants an engine noise that tracks cpufreq :D
Jan 01 03:09:47 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: I put in code to go to up to slow /12... might have to prune it a bit, the LCD driver might not like going so low
Jan 01 03:10:00 <SpeedEvil> cesarb: maybe
Jan 01 03:10:12 <cesarb> moko-bunny: sound is one of the places cpufreq is going to cause problems (audio will glitch when changing the frequency)
Jan 01 03:10:35 <SpeedEvil> the glamo chip has no sound handling?
Jan 01 03:10:42 <SpeedEvil> it's purely video?
Jan 01 03:10:50 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: I'm not worrying about the glamo, I'm on GTA01
Jan 01 03:11:00 <SpeedEvil> I was meaning for release
Jan 01 03:11:26 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: dunno, but I'd expect the sound to be connected to the cpu
Jan 01 03:11:56 <moko-bunny> I was joking, of course, but in retrospect, it might be a nice tool to debug/monitor how the freq stuff is working.
Jan 01 03:11:57 <borg_> i drove ~500 km over german autobahn yesterday and gprs did work without any interrupt, btw
Jan 01 03:12:20 <SpeedEvil> yeah. It'd be really nice if the glamo chip was smart enough to take a list of blocks from the SD to play audio/video.
Jan 01 03:12:24 <SpeedEvil> but oh well.
Jan 01 03:12:37 <borg_> gps and navit worked well too, but the osm data wasnt good enough :\
Jan 01 03:23:13 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: if you want to see what I've done so far, I uploaded the (completely untested) patch (with the notifiers still missing) to http://www.pastebin.ca/840611
Jan 01 03:26:07 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: the notifiers are an easier part (with some gotchas like having to use the hardware flow control on the UARTs to make the other side stop for a while so as to not drop characters), the testing will be annoying (at least unless I figure out how to build it outside the OE tree), and the real hardware test will be scary (as usual)
Jan 01 05:17:11 <Sup3rkiddo> happy new year all
Jan 01 05:43:40 <sreekanth> Hi all...
Jan 01 05:43:58 <sreekanth> how can i execute a sample application in qemu emulator ?
Jan 01 05:44:56 <Sup3rkiddo> sreekanth, howdy, is it yours?
Jan 01 05:45:59 <sreekanth> Sup3rkiddo: Not mine. A sample application from the tool chain
Jan 01 05:47:01 <Sup3rkiddo> sreekanth, oh, if its not GUI, you could ssh into the emulator..there are docs for ii...
Jan 01 05:47:18 <Vegar> (at the wiki)
Jan 01 05:47:51 <sreekanth> Sup3rkiddo: if do ssh, it is asking for the password ...
Jan 01 05:57:42 <sreekant1> Hi all ...
Jan 01 05:59:26 <sreekant1> How can i excute a sample application on qemu emulator ?
Jan 01 05:59:46 <sreekant1> when i tried using ssh, it asks me password ..
Jan 01 05:59:56 <sreekant1> whats the password that i have to give ?
Jan 01 06:00:17 <sreekant1> I following the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Building_a_sample_project ...
Jan 01 06:11:48 <sreekant1> How to copy an application into a real neo device ?
Jan 01 06:46:47 <Mitt08> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership – a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity."
Jan 01 06:53:22 <sreekant1> Hi all
Jan 01 06:53:35 <sreekant1> how to compile a GTK application using cross compiler ?
Jan 01 07:31:34 <t00na> any word on how much the GTA02 will cost?
Jan 01 07:32:13 <t00na> I've been looking at the Community updates
Jan 01 07:35:44 <t00na> doh! found it
Jan 01 07:36:14 <t00na> Base is $450, advance $600 :O
Jan 01 09:21:31 <zilux> HNY all!
Jan 01 09:41:56 <josch> hi! who in germany has a debug board and could lend it to me or let me send him my neo to unbrick it? distance doesn't matter I will pay the shipping fee.
Jan 01 10:46:10 <Virtuall> HNY! ;)
Jan 01 11:35:09 <zash> Grått nytt hår!
Jan 01 11:36:53 <TeNoVi> Joda, om det er grått så :P
Jan 01 11:37:13 <cjb_ie> happy arbitrary incrementation day to you too :)
Jan 01 11:37:47 <CoreDump> that's an interesting way of putting it =)
Jan 01 11:38:18 <cjb_ie> men ja, grått nytt hår till alla svensktaliga :)
Jan 01 11:40:54 <zash> yay, coffee!
Jan 01 11:41:17 <Q_Contoxicated> Yay, more vodka!
Jan 01 12:39:25 <clare_> Hi, Question - why dont I have a command lsusb? How can I be sure I am in u-boot mode?
Jan 01 12:41:52 <kinneh> u-boot mode looks like: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko 
Jan 01 12:42:15 <kinneh> two pages down
Jan 01 12:45:13 <kinneh> I got lsof but I run a built from 20071227
Jan 01 12:52:38 <clare_> kinneh, Thanks, After I get that boot menu, I talk to it with cu -l /dev/ttyACM0, and there are a lot of commands
Jan 01 12:53:53 <clare_> described in wiki/U-boot and wiki/Bootloader_commands, and I have tried those that seem safe and they work as described.
Jan 01 12:54:24 <kinneh> clare_: yes so what do you want to accomplish ?
Jan 01 12:54:34 <kinneh> flash what ?
Jan 01 12:55:17 <clare_> but the command help, which lists all these commands (e.g. printenv, and s3c2410 speed list  (for example), does not include lsusb.
Jan 01 12:55:28 <SpeedEvil> l;susb is a linux command
Jan 01 12:55:33 <SpeedEvil> what are you tyryuing to do?
Jan 01 12:55:41 <kinneh> ah
Jan 01 12:56:02 <clare_> Right now, I want to find out why my Neo seems not to do waht the wiki says it should do,
Jan 01 12:57:41 <SpeedEvil> what're you trying to do?
Jan 01 12:58:09 <kinneh> clare_: SpeedEvil said it right, you need to ssh into the linux to be able to do lsusb
Jan 01 12:58:20 <kinneh> not in the u-boot mode
Jan 01 12:58:34 <kinneh> u-boot mode is mostly used for upgrading the neo
Jan 01 12:59:41 <clare_> SpeedEvil,  the page wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux , which was recommended to me yesgterday is where I found that.
Jan 01 12:59:58 <SpeedEvil> what're you trying to do?
Jan 01 13:00:54 <kinneh> clare_: lsusb  is from you workstation
Jan 01 13:01:02 <kinneh> in another xterm
Jan 01 13:02:35 <clare_> Right, If the whole effect has been to confuse me, I will sgtart again. I couldn't beleive that the command was there for several reasons..
Jan 01 13:04:01 <clare_> But I am curious now as to how the writer of the page wiki/U-boot# Using usbtty from Linux  got the result he seemed ot get.
Jan 01 13:04:30 <kinneh> well ?
Jan 01 13:05:28 <clare_> Well, apart from hoping eventually to make some usable documentation, what I am tryng to do is boot from the SD card.
Jan 01 13:07:57 <clare_> nidenatlly if I ssh into the Neo and say lsusb I only get one or 2 lines result not a large page like that wiki writer got. 
Jan 01 13:08:20 <SpeedEvil> lsusb will only do a short resulty unless you give the -v switch
Jan 01 13:08:39 <SpeedEvil> also you have to turn on the bluetooth device before you see it
Jan 01 13:09:05 <kinneh> well my neo has "lsusb -d 1457:5122"
Jan 01 13:09:24 <kinneh> try lsusb -v first to get all devices then you can find your
Jan 01 13:14:27 <clare_> SpeedEvil,  Thank you, I have not even thought about Bluetooth yet, maybe tomorrow... however I have now done lsusb -v and got a big page of answer
Jan 01 13:14:48 <SpeedEvil> On the neo that should simply be the information about the root hub
Jan 01 13:14:54 <SpeedEvil> (if bluetooth is turned off)
Jan 01 13:16:07 <clare_> True its id is 0000:0000  
Jan 01 13:17:28 <kinneh> clare_: probalby not 0000:0000, thats often your linux hub
Jan 01 13:18:03 <SpeedEvil> on the neo, without the bluetooth on, that's the only thing lsusb will show
Jan 01 13:18:57 <SpeedEvil> unless you've done the patching for host mode, and had something plugged in
Jan 01 13:19:50 <kinneh> well clare_ should be on the pc-side first right
Jan 01 13:20:07 <kinneh> if one is to follow wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux
Jan 01 13:20:44 <SpeedEvil> I believe that first you need to update u-boot if you haven't - as the shipped one diddn't support boot on SD
Jan 01 13:21:30 <clare_> I powered up bluetooth from the top panel on the screen,m and now for lsusb -v I get bluetooth device details
Jan 01 13:21:41 <kinneh> ah
Jan 01 13:24:44 <clare_> SpeedEvil,  I am running the U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r13_0_2632_0 (Aug 12 2007 - 20:43:36)  which is the one ScaredyCat recommends
Jan 01 13:25:33 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
Jan 01 13:25:38 <SpeedEvil> I assumne you're reading?
Jan 01 13:28:05 <clare_> Aha! now we are getting to it.. I have not done the early part of that, becasue it supposes I have got MokoMakefile going , I would be happy to ask you about that too.
Jan 01 13:28:29 <SpeedEvil> Ideally, that should be painless.
Jan 01 13:28:33 <SpeedEvil> What's your CPU?
Jan 01 13:29:06 <clare_> So of the things int he first part, is there any way to do them given I have only access basically to the Neo itself?
Jan 01 13:29:57 <SpeedEvil> I think you should be able to simply copy over the root filesystem.
Jan 01 13:30:01 <clare_> Sppedevil it was fairly painless, if slow, Once I got nearly all the way.
Jan 01 13:30:08 <SpeedEvil> why are you wanting to boot from SD?
Jan 01 13:30:46 <clare_> Surely taht is obvious, once I can make it bootfrom SD I can jump back and forward between Fic and Trolltech versions
Jan 01 13:31:28 <SpeedEvil> No, there are other reasons - which there are workarounds for.
Jan 01 13:31:31 <SpeedEvil> But not that one.
Jan 01 13:31:33 <clare_> without forever flashing - I got the idea somewhere that flashing wears it out
Jan 01 13:31:56 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Jan 01 13:32:00 <SpeedEvil> It's 100000 flashes.
Jan 01 13:32:28 <SpeedEvil> 1000 for u-boot
Jan 01 13:33:02 <SpeedEvil> Not that booting off SD isn't a good idea - but it's not required if that's the sole reason. 
Jan 01 13:33:23 <clare_> eH! of course 1000 is a lot too, but why the difference? does it gradually degrade - worse on boot. it is smaller after all/.
Jan 01 13:33:49 <SpeedEvil> the bootloader inside teh CPU in ROM doesn't know how to do error correction
Jan 01 13:34:01 <SpeedEvil> the first block is guaranteed for 1000 writes with no errors.
Jan 01 13:34:31 <SpeedEvil> the rest are guaranteed to have a total capacity of non-faulty blocks meeting or exceeding 64M after 100000 writes
Jan 01 13:34:42 <clare_> Ah thank you, good reasons are nice.  
Jan 01 13:35:30 <SpeedEvil> I don't really see why - it has 48K ROM, but anyway it can't.
Jan 01 13:36:18 <clare_> Anyway it is my reason, I thought it would be very nice to have at least 2  possible versons on the card and merely park the one I didnt want and boot the other
Jan 01 13:36:26 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jan 01 13:36:35 <SpeedEvil> or select which one by the boot menu
Jan 01 13:36:36 <clare_> all could be done on the Neo without any PC required.
Jan 01 13:37:14 <clare_> SpeedEvil, yes, at first I would have jsut one, it is that one I cant get to go.
Jan 01 13:37:43 <SpeedEvil> Many people aren't around right now :)
Jan 01 13:43:36 <clare_> SpeedEvil, That MokoMakefile, please note I do not use Ubuntu, although I tried it at first . So I have had a big jib getting alt he required files together.
Jan 01 13:47:00 <clare_> So my queston is, this file not found: moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/sunrpc/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.h
Jan 01 13:48:11 <clare_> Is that file missing from my setup or the MokoMakefile setup?
Jan 01 13:53:54 <SpeedEvil> have you run make update, then run make openmoko-devel-image
Jan 01 13:53:58 <SpeedEvil> again
Jan 01 13:54:07 <SpeedEvil> it may update to working versions of stuff
Jan 01 13:55:03 <clare_> No, now you come to menton it I havent I will do that, but dont expect any improvement. It is late here now, seeya another day
Jan 01 14:07:55 * CoreDump wonders why noone patched gpsd to better integrate with gllin on the neo already
Jan 01 14:28:37 <CoreDump> what was the d/l URL for gllin again?
Jan 01 14:32:01 <ScaredyCat> http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/
Jan 01 14:32:27 <CoreDump> ScaredyCat: thanks!
Jan 01 15:13:47 <gmg> hi
Jan 01 15:40:40 <CoreDump> ok, who thought it to be clever to reconfigure resolv.conf on each boot?? And point it to the usb0 gateway of all things which _never_ runs a DNS in the first place??
Jan 01 15:43:31 <SpeedEvil> it might in theory
Jan 01 15:43:46 <CoreDump> it's a one in a million chance
Jan 01 15:43:53 <SpeedEvil> and it's the only place that might be sensible to point it
Jan 01 15:44:11 <SpeedEvil> unless it does dhcp
Jan 01 15:44:13 <CoreDump> I could live with it being the (senseless) default, yes
Jan 01 15:44:26 <CoreDump> but not with it being reinforced after each reboot
Jan 01 15:57:38 <zilux> CoreDump: if the resolv.conf policy is irritating, it can be ucstomized easily though 
Jan 01 16:28:58 <hrw> morning
Jan 01 16:32:37 <Sup3rkiddo> is there anyway i could get internet working on the neo without iptables on the host?
Jan 01 16:36:32 <morricone> Sup3rkiddo, you could install an http proxy, but then only http/ftp will work
Jan 01 16:37:14 <ewon> or anything tcp based, if you use an ssh tunnel :)
Jan 01 16:38:31 <Elrond> Sup3rkiddo - or routing, if you're into the fun of having multiple subnets, etc.
Jan 01 16:39:05 <Sup3rkiddo> bleh
Jan 01 16:39:07 <Sup3rkiddo> iptables v1.4.0: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
Jan 01 16:39:07 <Sup3rkiddo> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
Jan 01 16:39:41 <Sup3rkiddo> have the nat stuff in the kernel, iptables is the latest...
Jan 01 16:59:22 <SpeedEvil> Sup3rkiddo: do you have it compiled as a module?
Jan 01 16:59:44 <Sup3rkiddo> SpeedEvil, yup...modprobe <what>?
Jan 01 17:00:05 <SpeedEvil> ipt_MASQUERADE?
Jan 01 17:00:53 <SpeedEvil>  Symbol: IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE [=m]                                    x  
Jan 01 17:01:05 <SpeedEvil> from menuconfig
Jan 01 17:01:28 <Sup3rkiddo> yup
Jan 01 17:01:32 <Sup3rkiddo> it is m
Jan 01 17:02:22 <Sup3rkiddo> not found..i
Jan 01 17:02:27 * Sup3rkiddo double checks
Jan 01 17:06:50 <CoreDump> boy, python is big
Jan 01 17:07:48 <Sup3rkiddo> CoreDump, lol, they are afterall one of the largest snakes around
Jan 01 17:07:57 <CoreDump> =)
Jan 01 17:08:04 <CoreDump> filled up my rootfs :\
Jan 01 17:08:33 * CoreDump is adding openmoko-gps from the mailinglist
Jan 01 17:10:48 <Sup3rkiddo> atlast got a fix!!!
Jan 01 17:10:59 <Sup3rkiddo> ~botsnack
Jan 01 17:10:59 <apt> Sup3rkiddo: thanks
Jan 01 17:11:05 <Sup3rkiddo> ~botsnack
Jan 01 17:13:30 <CoreDump> I can't seem to get one
Jan 01 17:16:52 <SpeedEvil> sup: got it working - nat?
Jan 01 17:23:50 <CIA-15> openmoko: 03mickey * r3757 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/ (mainwindow.vala mokoterminal.vala): 
Jan 01 17:23:50 <CIA-15> openmoko: openmoko-terminal2: make it more usable
Jan 01 17:23:50 <CIA-15> openmoko: * add toolbar with buttons for
Jan 01 17:23:50 <CIA-15> openmoko: ** new
Jan 01 17:23:50 <CIA-15> openmoko: ** delete
Jan 01 17:23:54 <CIA-15> openmoko: ** zoom in
Jan 01 17:23:56 <CIA-15> openmoko: ** zoom out
Jan 01 17:25:17 <starox> Hmmm, how to make cut & paste with terminal ?
Jan 01 17:28:33 <SpeedEvil> what terminal
Jan 01 17:28:52 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jan 01 17:28:56 <SpeedEvil> I don't think you can
Jan 01 17:29:35 <zilux> perhaps using screen
Jan 01 17:32:45 <starox> zilux: with ctrl-a ctrl-esc :) good point
Jan 01 17:33:19 <SpeedEvil> That's almost user-axe-murdering, rather than user-friendly :)
Jan 01 17:34:17 <zilux> thanks for the reminder :-)
Jan 01 17:56:20 <zilux> OT: phone user facing an axe murdering exeperience http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74sW9OHvkCg
Jan 01 19:57:06 <NineX> damn openmoko-terminal2 is slightly fucked up (configure fails due wrong version of vte)
Jan 01 20:01:23 <thomasg> mickey_away: ping :P
Jan 01 20:01:51 <wibbit> Afternoon all
Jan 01 20:02:25 <ahven> good evening from here
Jan 01 20:02:59 <wibbit> I suppose it's probably evening here as well
Jan 01 20:03:14 <wibbit> I have a habbit of referring to any thing after 12:00 to being afternoon :)
Jan 01 20:05:31 <wibbit> I've just found ScheduleWorld.com I am now that much more eager for the openmoko to be released :)
Jan 01 20:05:43 <mmontour> NineX: add to your build/conf/local.conf: PREFERRED_VERSION_vte ?= "0.16.9"
Jan 01 20:05:58 <thomasg> 05-14 morning, 14-02 afternoon, 02-05 night :)
Jan 01 20:07:26 <wibbit> surely any time after noon, would be afternoon? :)
Jan 01 20:07:32 <wibbit> and you forgot evening :p
Jan 01 20:07:41 <thomasg> no evening in my world :)
Jan 01 20:07:45 <wibbit> hehe
Jan 01 20:21:51 <starox> what's the /media/realroot for ? Is it for pivot_root ?
Jan 01 20:31:26 <hrw> it was for it
Jan 01 20:31:41 <hrw> CoreDump: speaking about gllin... 
Jan 01 20:36:24 <starox> hrw: Cool, then, I use it in this way :)
Jan 01 21:21:34 <gmg> bye
Jan 02 00:11:17 <clare_> Hi,  Bit of excitement here, have loaded the qtopia from SD card and got  fizx from 6 satellites
Jan 02 00:11:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 02 00:11:32 <clare_> thanks especially Ninex and SpeedEvil
Jan 02 00:11:48 <SpeedEvil> Cograpulations!
Jan 02 00:11:55 <SpeedEvil> err.
Jan 02 00:12:11 <clare_> How Please do I take a screenshot of ths satellite pic?
Jan 02 01:14:03 <egn> will Android be able to run on the Neo?
Jan 02 01:14:39 <balrog-kun> if the source is released, yes
Jan 02 01:15:02 <balrog-kun> or of google explicitely makes an armv4 binary
Jan 02 01:15:06 <balrog-kun> *if
Jan 02 01:16:57 <egn> okay, wont it have to be realeased because of linux being on the GPL?
Jan 02 01:18:12 <balrog-kun> no, the closed-source bit of android is a userspace program
Jan 02 01:18:23 <balrog-kun> like skype or some games on linux
Jan 02 01:18:37 <egn> ah i see
Jan 02 01:24:32 <SpeedEvil> the blob is the UI + java?
Jan 02 01:25:18 <Twey> Android is going to be closed-source?  :-(
Jan 02 01:25:45 <SpeedEvil> Wish I could say I was surprised.
Jan 02 01:36:14 <balrog-kun> i don't know which part
Jan 02 01:36:47 <balrog-kun> or if there is anything opensource at all in android, except kernel
Jan 02 02:34:56 <rwhitby> balrog-kun: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ce848a736913e04b
Jan 02 02:35:26 <rwhitby> Indications are this will be sometime in the second half of this year, after the OHA commercial partners have released handsets.
Jan 02 02:36:02 <balrog-kun> rwhitby: oh, nice, so that means it will run on the Neo1973 i believe
Jan 02 02:36:10 <rwhitby> egn: ^^
Jan 02 02:36:40 <rwhitby> I would expect so.  And Neo1973 owners are used to waiting for long periods of time ;-)
Jan 02 02:38:09 <balrog-kun> on the other hand i'm inclined to not trust things google states officially
Jan 02 02:38:32 <balrog-kun> like this message for example, it may be true or not
Jan 02 02:38:41 <rwhitby> that's your right I guess.
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