**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:57 2008
Jan 06 04:33:27 <NonPhiDeltA> i has 1 beer
Jan 06 04:33:36 <NonPhiDeltA> and varaible of rx'z 
Jan 06 04:33:38 <NonPhiDeltA> mmmm
Jan 06 04:34:19 <NonPhiDeltA> the purple stains my hear
Jan 06 04:34:21 <NonPhiDeltA> my hood
Jan 06 04:34:30 <NonPhiDeltA> covered in purple rip purple urp urple
Jan 06 04:34:47 <NonPhiDeltA> 1134
Jan 06 04:34:50 <NonPhiDeltA> h8orzx
Jan 06 04:34:53 <NonPhiDeltA> bling
Jan 06 04:34:56 <NonPhiDeltA> blankity blam
Jan 06 04:35:02 <NonPhiDeltA> smart !?1?!? err ppooof
Jan 06 04:35:31 <NonPhiDeltA> wine wit me ==============================
Jan 06 04:35:44 <NonPhiDeltA> to 4 cahn dunnuununun (dat mobile riff)
Jan 06 04:36:03 <NonPhiDeltA> whatis moko
Jan 06 04:36:07 <NonPhiDeltA> ?
Jan 06 04:36:46 <NonPhiDeltA> hihi
Jan 06 04:36:47 <NonPhiDeltA> imim
Jan 06 04:36:50 <NonPhiDeltA> urp
Jan 06 04:37:12 <NonPhiDeltA> urple
Jan 06 04:59:41 <Psi_> how long should it take to get a gta01 gps fix outside?
Jan 06 05:01:36 <SpeedEvil> outside, from cold, 5-10 mins IIRC
Jan 06 05:01:55 <Psi_> ok, maybe i didnt wait long enough then
Jan 06 05:02:26 <SpeedEvil> Certainly >>30s
Jan 06 05:02:42 <Psi_> yeah, i was expecting 30-60 seconds
Jan 06 05:02:50 <Psi_> stayed outside maybe 6minutes with no lock
Jan 06 05:02:57 <SpeedEvil> maybe when warm
Jan 06 05:03:08 <Psi_> does it get locks when inside?
Jan 06 05:03:16 <SpeedEvil> I would have expected it to have usually locked by then
Jan 06 05:03:38 <SpeedEvil> I should do some checking.
Jan 06 05:08:24 <Psi_> there was someone on the mailing list who couldn't get a lock either. He had it outside for 30min. I cant find his email though
Jan 06 05:09:37 <Psi_> ah, found it
Jan 06 05:11:41 <SpeedEvil> there are apparantly buggy ones
Jan 06 05:11:54 <Psi_> as in hardware or software?
Jan 06 05:11:59 <SpeedEvil> hardware
Jan 06 05:12:45 <Psi_> :(
Jan 06 05:14:40 <Psi_> "sweet! my neo just got a fix for the first time. Must be the 2.6.23 kernel... because I could not get a fix on any images with the 2.6.22 kernel. "
Jan 06 05:14:47 * Psi_ is running 2.6.22
Jan 06 05:15:11 <Psi_> :)
Jan 06 05:16:00 * Sup3rkiddo got a fix after two hours 
Jan 06 05:16:05 <Psi_> haha
Jan 06 05:16:08 <ewon> hmm, I see openmoko made digg
Jan 06 05:16:15 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jan 06 05:16:23 <Sup3rkiddo> ...and too standing on the terrace of ma friend's house
Jan 06 05:25:08 <SpeedEvil> Where was the actual press release for freerunner?
Jan 06 05:25:15 <SpeedEvil> I don't see it on openmoko.com
Jan 06 05:26:39 * SpeedEvil notes the sale on debug versions on that site ($399)
Jan 06 05:54:26 <SpeedEvil> I've reworked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo1973 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMoko
Jan 06 05:54:54 <SpeedEvil> To reflect outdated history and the new release info
Jan 06 05:55:03 <SpeedEvil> stupid-checks welcome
Jan 06 05:58:01 <maito> 500MHz cpu has been decided?
Jan 06 05:58:18 <brian_>  yay
Jan 06 05:58:21 <brian_> Y A Y
Jan 06 05:58:50 <mwester> No, 500MHz is *not* decided.
Jan 06 05:59:22 <brian_> IS COMES TO MIND
Jan 06 05:59:27 <brian_> oo
Jan 06 05:59:48 <maito> I really think the wiki should tell about the 400MHz 2442
Jan 06 06:00:27 <mudyc> it does
Jan 06 06:00:41 <mudyc> 400 MHz (final version)
Jan 06 06:00:52 <brian_> yyup
Jan 06 06:00:55 <maito> "The changes include a faster processor (500Mhz)"
Jan 06 06:01:20 <maito> on the Openmoko page
Jan 06 06:01:53 <brian_> kinda pricy
Jan 06 06:02:11 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jan 06 06:02:13 <maito> who cares :p
Jan 06 06:02:14 * SpeedEvil changes
Jan 06 06:02:35 <brian_> y im so cheap i use linux
Jan 06 06:03:57 <SpeedEvil> $450 I don't think makes any sense if it goes on sale say march.
Jan 06 06:04:10 <maito> why?
Jan 06 06:05:21 <SpeedEvil> As at the time it was first going to hit - ...
Jan 06 06:05:24 <SpeedEvil> when was that?
Jan 06 06:05:24 <brian_> bytheway 
Jan 06 06:05:30 <SpeedEvil> november last year?
Jan 06 06:05:31 <brian_>   GREAT JOB
Jan 06 06:05:50 <SpeedEvil> it arguably made sense.
Jan 06 06:06:04 <SpeedEvil> 6 months on - prices of other hardware have dropped a fair bit.
Jan 06 06:06:50 <brian_> iphone migration    is gonna come after those $3500  bills
Jan 06 06:07:04 <SpeedEvil> Also - speaking personally, I'd be quite happy losing the 2d/3d hardware graphics accel.
Jan 06 06:07:44 <brian_> the great hordes
Jan 06 06:07:47 <SpeedEvil> At 400MHz in QVGA, it can easily do most video.
Jan 06 06:08:09 <brian_> y faster than a pII   
Jan 06 06:08:18 <SpeedEvil> It's not.
Jan 06 06:08:34 <SpeedEvil> It's comparable speed with a PI/150 or so
Jan 06 06:08:41 <SpeedEvil> (at 400MHz)
Jan 06 06:08:46 <brian_> fast
Jan 06 06:08:52 <SpeedEvil> It's _much_ slower than a PII/300
Jan 06 06:08:56 <SpeedEvil> (the current version)
Jan 06 06:09:09 * SpeedEvil is using a PII/300 at the moment.
Jan 06 06:09:09 <maito> SpeedEvil: but you can save battery with the accelerator?
Jan 06 06:09:17 <SpeedEvil> Debatable.
Jan 06 06:09:34 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps.
Jan 06 06:09:40 <maito> I believe a lot
Jan 06 06:09:53 <SpeedEvil> I believe in datasheets.
Jan 06 06:09:54 <brian_> i hope somebody builds a slackware fore it
Jan 06 06:09:55 <maito> because the cpu is a RISC?
Jan 06 06:10:00 <SpeedEvil> (to a limited extent)
Jan 06 06:10:10 <maito> brian_: why?
Jan 06 06:10:22 <brian_> whynot
Jan 06 06:10:36 <SpeedEvil> The CPU is about as much a RISC as the Pentium.
Jan 06 06:10:47 <maito> pentium or pentium mmx?
Jan 06 06:10:52 <SpeedEvil> CISC ate RISC.
Jan 06 06:11:01 <maito> its all hybrids nowadays
Jan 06 06:11:06 <SpeedEvil> Basically as memory access times have not kept up.
Jan 06 06:11:52 <SpeedEvil> Since 1990, random access speeds - true random access - has improved by maybe an order of magnitude.
Jan 06 06:12:13 <SpeedEvil> Memory system bandwidth has improved my maybe 3 times.
Jan 06 06:12:23 <SpeedEvil> Memory system bandwidth has improved my maybe 3 orders.
Jan 06 06:12:42 <maito> but I believe itll be much nicer to watch video with the accelerator
Jan 06 06:13:25 <SpeedEvil> At 400Mhz, and QVGA mode, it's quite capable of doing most video playing smoothly in software.
Jan 06 06:13:48 <maito> I bet all video playback
Jan 06 06:13:51 <SpeedEvil> the video chip will also only support a very limited set of codecs.
Jan 06 06:13:59 <SpeedEvil> and it only supports video.
Jan 06 06:14:21 <maito> but the idea is to run the cpu for example 200MHz so that the battery will not last 1-3h but at least 4-6 hours
Jan 06 06:14:25 <SpeedEvil> so the CPU has to be awake all the time feeding it undecoded video, and playing the audio.
Jan 06 06:15:05 <SpeedEvil> This is all quite irrelevant until the power numbers come out.
Jan 06 06:15:42 <maito> you believe in the datasheets, those are which tell you the numbers
Jan 06 06:15:50 <SpeedEvil> Which are secret
Jan 06 06:16:13 <maito> power consumption of the cpu and the accelerator is secret?
Jan 06 06:16:29 <SpeedEvil> sort-of.
Jan 06 06:16:36 <SpeedEvil> The CPU datasheet does not give numbers.
Jan 06 06:16:46 <SpeedEvil> The accel datasheet is not available.
Jan 06 06:17:29 <maito> it says 300MHz @ 1.35v and 400MHz at 1.5v
Jan 06 06:17:38 <SpeedEvil> that's not a power
Jan 06 06:17:54 <maito> uh, true :P
Jan 06 06:18:11 <SpeedEvil> I can't see a power - at any speed - mentioned.
Jan 06 06:18:25 <maito> wait
Jan 06 06:27:27 <maito> SpeedEvil: okay, anyway. 
Jan 06 06:27:32 <maito> I cant find the info :/
Jan 06 06:27:43 <maito> how much you think the screen eats?
Jan 06 06:31:58 <SpeedEvil> Somewhere I have numbers
Jan 06 06:32:19 <SpeedEvil> 300mW?
Jan 06 06:32:28 <SpeedEvil> It's hard to give a simple figure.
Jan 06 06:32:36 * mwester was going to guess about 2800 Calories/day.
Jan 06 06:32:43 <SpeedEvil> as the memory bandwidth interferes.
Jan 06 06:33:21 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if GTA02 lacks an external memory bus.
Jan 06 06:33:30 <SpeedEvil> That might help moderately on power usage
Jan 06 06:42:41 <brian_> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html
Jan 06 06:46:26 <SpeedEvil> which blatant inaccuracy were you referring to?
Jan 06 06:48:32 <brian_> y all i have seen say 500 mhz
Jan 06 06:48:57 <brian_> http://www.slashphone.com/111/9052.html
Jan 06 06:49:14 <SpeedEvil> The cpu datasheet says 400
Jan 06 06:49:19 <SpeedEvil> I'm going with that.
Jan 06 06:49:43 <brian_> ok
Jan 06 07:07:28 <Tronic> In 2009?
Jan 06 07:08:49 <SpeedEvil> ?
Jan 06 07:13:12 <SpeedEvil> Cheap ARM board - http://www.armkits.com/product/mini2410_II.asp (same processor as neo)
Jan 06 07:18:12 <ewon> shiny
Jan 06 07:18:17 <Sup3rkiddo> that is cheap
Jan 06 07:26:09 <balrog-kun> is the power supply part of the kit?
Jan 06 07:26:42 <SpeedEvil> wel - no
Jan 06 07:27:44 <balrog-kun> mini2410_III seems to have a socket on the board for a watch battery, on the photo
Jan 06 07:27:53 <balrog-kun> but it's probably for the clock only
Jan 06 07:27:57 <SpeedEvil> that's clock only
Jan 06 07:28:23 <balrog-kun> it would be cool if it was so tiny actually with the battery
Jan 06 07:28:34 <SpeedEvil> No, that's certainly not able to power it.
Jan 06 07:28:47 <SpeedEvil> http://www.tincantools.com/ have on even smaller
Jan 06 07:29:04 <SpeedEvil> but li-po batteries of an appropriate size to fit it are dmall
Jan 06 08:15:57 <Psi_> power management on the 3rd jan buildhost seems much improved :)
Jan 06 08:17:40 <SpeedEvil> In what way?
Jan 06 08:18:02 * SpeedEvil ponders a kernel with all the boxes in the power managment page checked.
Jan 06 10:04:35 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jan 06 10:05:42 <CoreDump> morning
Jan 06 11:34:42 <CoreDump> is anyone else getting the "Not searching" popup spam?
Jan 06 12:02:23 <fgau_> CoreDump: if i stop gsmd the spam is popup :)
Jan 06 12:02:51 <CoreDump> hrmm
Jan 06 12:03:03 <CoreDump> no inserted SIM = spam..mehh
Jan 06 12:19:06 <PBeck> hi
Jan 06 12:19:10 <SpeedEvil> hi
Jan 06 12:19:24 <ajbrun> hey ho
Jan 06 12:19:41 <PBeck> hi SpeedEvil ajbrun 
Jan 06 12:21:48 <theLichKing> SpeedEvil: shut up you dirty ape
Jan 06 12:22:22 * SpeedEvil steals theLichKings bone, and incorporates it into a xylophone.
Jan 06 12:24:42 <toxx_> hi! I'm playing around with my new neo. The media player works alot better if I make a "nice -10" for the pulseaudio process. Why isn't this the default?
Jan 06 12:25:00 <toxx_> is someone afraid the pulseaudio locks up everything?
Jan 06 12:27:54 <zedstar> anybody working on dbus gpsd stuff? will dbus become the standard way to get location info?
Jan 06 12:31:38 <CIA-15> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r31 10/trunk/software/py-proto/sample.py: wrong prototype fixed
Jan 06 12:34:23 <SpeedEvil> that was initially teh plan I think zedstar 
Jan 06 12:36:09 <zedstar> u looked at geoclue speedevil?
Jan 06 12:36:46 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Jan 06 12:37:20 <zedstar> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue
Jan 06 12:37:40 <zedstar> seems kewl but maybe a bit OTT to begin with
Jan 06 12:38:27 <SpeedEvil> probably.
Jan 06 12:38:54 <SpeedEvil> Especially that we have a GPS - going through an abstraction layer to support other location services of less accuracy seems ...
Jan 06 12:39:10 <SpeedEvil> (greater out of satellite coverage of course)
Jan 06 12:40:31 <zedstar> yeh. i think a simple dbus interface would be useful for now and something that can be controlled from the matchbox control panel
Jan 06 12:41:07 <SpeedEvil> there are some thoughts in category:GPS
Jan 06 12:41:09 <guaqua> you can access gps coordinates through geoclue, so imo using it and at least getting the basics working would be a good goal
Jan 06 12:41:38 <guaqua> off course you can go an reinvent the wheel, but who profits from it?
Jan 06 12:41:40 <SpeedEvil> guaqua: yes - you can - but if it bloats the normal use-case is that really a good idea, given we have 64M of flash.
Jan 06 12:42:13 <SpeedEvil> (I don't know how large geoclue libs would be)
Jan 06 12:42:14 <guaqua> i'm guessing you don't need every backend geoclue has to offer in the image for it to work
Jan 06 12:42:27 <guaqua> it's pretty simple as far as i know
Jan 06 12:42:34 <SpeedEvil> My feelings on it depend on the bloat.
Jan 06 12:42:46 <guaqua> someone with more experience should comment on this one, though
Jan 06 12:42:51 <SpeedEvil> If it's a meg, then I'd say a custom simple one is probably the way to go
Jan 06 12:43:07 <guaqua> i don't think it's that big
Jan 06 12:44:19 <zedstar> maybe without all the backends it could be ok
Jan 06 12:48:00 <guaqua> git checkout of geoclue is 1.2M
Jan 06 12:48:23 * zedstar has to run...wanna chat about this more
Jan 06 12:49:46 <SpeedEvil> that's the compiled size?
Jan 06 12:50:03 <guaqua> no, sources
Jan 06 12:50:50 <guaqua> the git dirs seem to take most of that
Jan 06 12:50:51 <guaqua> sorry
Jan 06 13:00:00 <kristian-m> moin
Jan 06 13:01:38 <guaqua> SpeedEvil: 821K without the git crud. so the sources are about that much
Jan 06 13:02:07 <guaqua> 217K from geoclue sources and the rest are the backends
Jan 06 13:08:16 <SpeedEvil> cc?
Jan 06 13:09:03 <robster> really, you want Gypsy not Geoclue for this. but Geoclue can use Gypsy.
Jan 06 13:09:55 <robster> Gypsy is a dbus powered GPS daemon that interacts with the hardware and doesn't suck like gpsd ;-)
Jan 06 13:18:27 <CIA-15> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r32 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (pygsmd.py sample.py): switchoff implemented
Jan 06 13:22:40 <ronny> hi
Jan 06 13:22:42 <ronny> oO
Jan 06 13:23:06 * ronny gets a beer and sulks about the GTA02/FreeRunner dates
Jan 06 13:27:06 <ajbrun> which dates are these?
Jan 06 13:27:10 <ajbrun> spring still?
Jan 06 13:27:22 <ronny> well - see topic
Jan 06 13:27:36 <ajbrun> yep - no change then
Jan 06 13:27:49 <ajbrun> i thought you knew something new
Jan 06 13:30:32 <ronny> i just got in and wanted to ask, the topic stopped me and got me beer
Jan 06 13:31:59 <SpeedEvil> It has an integrated date palm-fuel cell. That runs off the palms sap. 
Jan 06 13:32:14 <SpeedEvil> There are portability issues.
Jan 06 13:33:04 <ronny> all i care for is getting a good handy in time
Jan 06 13:33:36 <ronny> and it looks like my current one will fail before the fic's are ready
Jan 06 13:33:47 <CoreDump> s/handy/mobile
Jan 06 13:34:23 <ronny> ops - eh right
Jan 06 13:34:32 <CoreDump> ;)
Jan 06 13:47:40 <SpeedEvil> I would personally guess that there is a 50% chance of freerunner being available (buyable) in 4 months.
Jan 06 14:02:10 <ronny> what is the difference betwen GTA02 and FreeRunner
Jan 06 14:03:11 <El_Salvador> gta02 is freerunner
Jan 06 14:04:13 <ronny> k
Jan 06 14:04:21 <ronny> then i was just confused by the topic
Jan 06 14:04:26 <josch> according to some sources freerunner has 500MHz not 400MHz as gta02 in the wiki
Jan 06 14:07:19 <roh> josch thats easy to explain:
Jan 06 14:07:54 <roh> the mcp4 (multichip-package variant of the 2440, named 2442mcpX) was not available
Jan 06 14:08:18 <roh> the mcp3 we used in early development has 400mhz as the mcp4 but only half the flash
Jan 06 14:08:23 <josch> so upgrade?
Jan 06 14:09:13 <roh> so we soldered on mcp54 since these were avail.
Jan 06 14:09:28 <roh> these can do 500mhz but that was not tested yet.
Jan 06 14:10:03 <roh> also it takes loads more powe then and needs higher voltage (can be adjusted due to software) but thats not done yet.
Jan 06 14:10:04 <josch> well after using my gta01 with 266MHz, 500MHz sounds huuuge!! enormous!!! like... just enough for gtk running less choppy ^^
Jan 06 14:11:10 <ronny> i have no idea why you guys didnt use the enlightenment libs - its faster and more lean
Jan 06 14:11:19 <roh> so it will run on 400mhz for now with the option to 500mhz given you take the impact of less battery life aslong as it runs so fast. in the end some dynamic clock scaling via powermanagement would make sense.. 
Jan 06 14:11:49 <ronny> gtk is just slow and messy
Jan 06 14:11:54 <Tronic> ronny: It's C and not well tested (pretty much under development, I gather).
Jan 06 14:12:04 <roh> i could think of 'do 100-400mhz depending on load, suspend when it makes sense, use 500mhz only when playing movies and 400mhz is too slow'
Jan 06 14:12:06 <ronny> gtk is c, too
Jan 06 14:12:14 <Tronic> GTK is C too, but at least there is gtkmm that wraps it nicely in C++.
Jan 06 14:13:35 <ronny> hmm - i dislike gtkmm - i hate having to deal with 2 object models, and its not suitable for adoptable libs while gobject is
Jan 06 14:13:44 <ronny> thus i prefer vala for gtk coding
Jan 06 15:02:56 <Marcel_M> su
Jan 06 15:03:08 <Marcel_M> sorry
Jan 06 15:03:27 <Marcel_M> falsches keyboard ;)
Jan 06 15:19:50 <NineX> hmm
Jan 06 15:20:52 <NineX> openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME env :S HOME=/ sholud be HOME=/home/root 
Jan 06 15:31:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1161 has been created by ninex(AT)o2.pl
Jan 06 15:31:01 <cdbot2> * * openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME variable in env
Jan 06 15:31:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1161
Jan 06 15:36:35 <graingert_> hi
Jan 06 15:37:57 <graingert> I have the qemu version of openmoko working, but I am having trouble setting up networking.
Jan 06 15:38:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1162 has been created by ninex(AT)o2.pl
Jan 06 15:38:01 <cdbot2> * * New message event appear only with specific hardware/software configuration
Jan 06 15:38:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1162
Jan 06 15:38:38 <NineX> :>
Jan 06 15:58:45 <mbuf> does "make qemu" complete for anyone? it stops at linux/usb_gadgetfs.h: No such file or directory
Jan 06 16:30:33 <mbuf> had to copy usb_gadgetfs.h to /usr/include/linux; what needs to be done for audio/audio.d: No such file or directory?
Jan 06 16:47:18 <Kero> mm, GPS only has a fix inside my house on the north; according to google those coordinates are on the other side of my house. 20m off, not too bad, given the steel and concrete.
Jan 06 16:47:54 <Kero> good enough for the appliations I have in mind
Jan 06 16:49:03 <SpeedEvil> google may not be correct
Jan 06 16:49:15 <SpeedEvil> don't assume it is - unless you check it.
Jan 06 16:49:28 <SpeedEvil> 6h averaging in a clear sky should get you under a meter.
Jan 06 16:49:56 <Kero> earlier coords in the log match better on googles satelite map
Jan 06 16:50:07 <Kero> how would I check the GPS?
Jan 06 16:50:21 <Kero> (and how would I teach google to behave?)
Jan 06 16:50:52 * Kero just found out a few days ago gllin has been available since Nov...
Jan 06 16:51:11 <gi-el> i know for a fact that roads on google maps often not align with the roads on the sat images
Jan 06 16:55:19 <Kero> and what about altitude ?
Jan 06 17:01:21 <Kero> gps says I'm at 62M, but I am at 22M...
Jan 06 17:01:34 <SpeedEvil> that's typically much less accurate
Jan 06 17:01:44 <Kero> (also, when I was in the train Fri, speed seemed to be off a factor of 2
Jan 06 17:01:57 <SpeedEvil> sure that wasn't a units problem?
Jan 06 17:03:18 <Kero> could be, iff $GPGGA from /tmp/nmea* is not in Metres despite saying 062.0,M
Jan 06 17:04:34 <SpeedEvil> I thought it was mph
Jan 06 17:05:39 <Kero> erm. in knots? that's nuts.
Jan 06 17:06:05 <mjr> it's Nautical MEA for a reason...
Jan 06 17:06:22 <mjr> oops, sorry, N Marine EA
Jan 06 17:06:54 <SpeedEvil> you're looking for a speed from GPGGA?
Jan 06 17:07:07 <Kero> ok, that's about a fctor of two.
Jan 06 17:07:15 <Kero> that fixes the speed.
Jan 06 17:07:22 <SpeedEvil> it doesn't have one
Jan 06 17:07:35 <Kero> real question is whther speed is derived from the coordinates by the GPS
Jan 06 17:07:52 <Kero> or is it compute independently, somehow?
Jan 06 17:08:01 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 06 17:08:06 <SpeedEvil> it's a complex mix of the two
Jan 06 17:08:12 <Kero> GPRC
Jan 06 17:08:29 <SpeedEvil> RMC?
Jan 06 17:08:31 <SpeedEvil> that's in knots
Jan 06 17:08:33 <Kero> gprMc
Jan 06 17:08:45 <SpeedEvil> http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/
Jan 06 17:08:55 <Kero> yeah, got it from there.
Jan 06 17:09:12 <Kero> Guess I should realize it's an American system.
Jan 06 17:10:58 <Stephmw> With all the baggage that entails
Jan 06 17:20:01 <bedboi> hi there
Jan 06 17:20:18 <ajbrun> yo
Jan 06 17:44:38 <NineX|Moko> re
Jan 06 20:35:18 <suuuper> hi to all
Jan 06 21:34:11 <Panciz> I'm  a new neo1973 user i seems to do not recognized my SIM card i got cme 13 error
Jan 06 21:34:23 <Panciz> can someone gives me any hint
Jan 06 21:38:23 <ahven> maybe you need the new firmware for the GSM?
Jan 06 21:38:29 <ahven> check the mailinglists
Jan 06 21:38:36 <ifeel> Panciz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012357.html
Jan 06 21:41:12 <Panciz> thanks
Jan 06 21:58:25 <aospan> Hello, everybody ! Where I can buy "Neo FreeRunner" ? This Ne1973 is slow and without wi-fi (this is more important) 
Jan 06 21:58:53 <hansmbakker> it's not for sale yet i believe
Jan 06 21:59:07 <krLun> aospan, get in line :) we all want freerunner
Jan 06 21:59:09 <ajbrun> spring
Jan 06 21:59:40 <aospan> oh, no ... i want it :) I can pay more money for it :)
Jan 06 22:00:06 <ajbrun> that doesn't change the fact that it's not available until spring...
Jan 06 22:00:30 <mwester> And perhaps it might be spring in the *southern* hemisphere.
Jan 06 22:00:43 <hansmbakker> aospan: become a core developer, then you'll get one earlier
Jan 06 22:01:22 <aospan> good idea. I have strong skills in C/C++ development under linux user/kernel level ... :)
Jan 06 22:02:18 <hansmbakker> unfortunately i don't even have a neo 1973
Jan 06 22:04:36 <aospan> I'm trying to become "a core developer"  to get "Free runner" ... :) but this not reallistic, because I don't have more time to spent on developing/debugging ;(
Jan 06 22:05:16 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, if you don't have the skills, gaining them in the time period, and demonsrating that is going to be tricky.
Jan 06 22:05:33 <SpeedEvil> Also - it's actually quite likely that it's not going to be in that usable a state.
Jan 06 22:06:38 <SpeedEvil> For example - shipping with known bugs is likely - as I understand it the shipping to selected developers will occur as soon as it's thought that there are no hardware bugs, and a short run is made.
Jan 06 22:07:05 <SpeedEvil> this just requires the drivers to be adequate enough to check certain aspects of the hardware, not actually function well.
Jan 06 22:08:42 <aospan> As I see there is some hardware bug in current GTA-01 (for example battery/power problems)  ... it's no so dramatic bugs, but its exist
Jan 06 22:09:22 <aospan> So I hope something like this will be present in "free runner" hardware
Jan 06 22:09:46 <aospan> it's no problem, even if phone hang every 15 minutes :)
Jan 06 22:12:58 <SpeedEvil> those aren't really hardware - but software bugs
Jan 06 22:14:13 <aospan> ok, I don't investigate this problem closely, just read about it on some russian linux news site
Jan 06 22:37:07 <hachi> am I crazy or does the neo take the same battery as the nokia n810?
Jan 06 22:39:33 <SpeedEvil> sort-of
Jan 06 22:39:39 <SpeedEvil> from memory
Jan 06 22:39:45 <SpeedEvil> the neo won't charge the battery
Jan 06 22:39:59 <SpeedEvil> and the nokia charger won't charge the neos.
Jan 06 22:40:05 <SpeedEvil> (though very cheap clone chargers do)
Jan 06 22:40:39 <hachi> weird
Jan 06 22:44:41 <balrog-kun> there are nokia batteries that can charge in the neo
Jan 06 22:49:17 <toxx_> is there any fix for the 'incoming phone call/sms does not wake up the kernel' bug yet?
Jan 06 22:56:29 <zash> what, there is such a bug?
Jan 06 22:59:13 <SpeedEvil> It does actually
Jan 06 22:59:25 <SpeedEvil> (wake)
Jan 06 22:59:33 <SpeedEvil> at least it did a month or so ago
Jan 06 22:59:42 <SpeedEvil> It diddn't function though
Jan 06 23:00:10 <zash> a phone that won't wake up on incomming call is pretty useless
Jan 06 23:01:11 <balrog-kun> that's why it's not used as a phone yet
Jan 06 23:07:08 <toxx_> ok... are there any fixes yet?
Jan 06 23:09:46 <SpeedEvil> the serial driver needs fixed to re-init on resume
Jan 06 23:11:57 <toxx_> and there is no workaround possible like a serial as a module and rmmod before suspend and insmod after?
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