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Jan 10 03:17:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1166 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 03:17:02 <cdbot2> * * cannot receive incoming SMS if the sender number is stored in SIM card
Jan 10 03:17:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1166
Jan 10 03:21:13 <ewon> heh, now that's a bug
Jan 10 03:42:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1167 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 03:42:02 <cdbot2> * * cannot print the Subscriber number (AT+CNUM)
Jan 10 03:42:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1167
Jan 10 05:12:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1168 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 05:12:02 <cdbot2> * * eliminate GCC warning
Jan 10 05:12:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1168
Jan 10 05:14:31 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3807 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (27 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: eliminate gcc warnings (Erin Yueh)
Jan 10 05:18:44 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3808 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: remove SIGSEGV handler (Sean Chiang)
Jan 10 07:36:20 <Linux_Galore> a USB 3.0 connection seen in the flesh http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/usb-3-0-in-the-flesh/
Jan 10 07:40:38 <Atul_> In openmoko toolchain building what this command does "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" Does it necessary for 86 architecture
Jan 10 07:41:59 <Atul_> mbuf, In openmoko toolchain building what this command does "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" Does it necessary for 86 architecture.
Jan 10 07:43:53 <mbuf> Atul_, to build the toolchain
Jan 10 07:44:08 <mbuf> Atul_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing
Jan 10 07:46:43 <Atul_> mbuf, am doing the same, and follows the instruction mention on the site there I got "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" command. what to know does this command for 86 architecture.
Jan 10 07:47:07 <mbuf> Atul_, why do you want to do this?
Jan 10 07:48:37 <Atul_> mbuf, am installing toolchain where I got this command 
Jan 10 07:48:48 <mbuf> Atul_, why?
Jan 10 07:50:39 <mbuf> Atul_, the toolchain is already available for download
Jan 10 07:50:49 <Atul_> mbuf, yes
Jan 10 07:53:35 <Linux_Galore> lol OAPC (One Amiga Per Child) http://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/20080105oapc/
Jan 10 07:53:47 <xkr47> :D
Jan 10 07:59:39 <meus> HAHA :)
Jan 10 08:01:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1169 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 08:01:02 <cdbot2> * * cannot receive SMS in openmoko-messages2 application
Jan 10 08:01:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1169
Jan 10 08:09:55 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jan 10 08:10:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1170 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 08:10:01 <cdbot2> * * cannot send SMS from openmoko-messages2 application
Jan 10 08:10:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1170
Jan 10 08:17:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1171 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 08:17:01 <cdbot2> * * reply/forward SMS from openmoko-messages2
Jan 10 08:17:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1171
Jan 10 08:34:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1172 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 08:34:01 <cdbot2> * * cannot hear any sound from dialer in GTA02
Jan 10 08:34:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1172
Jan 10 08:57:20 <Atul_> HI
Jan 10 09:00:08 <Linux_Galore> if your not nice santa will give you a fugtop http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/blingtop.jpg
Jan 10 10:05:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1173 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 10:05:02 <cdbot2> * * no SMS communication history in Contacts
Jan 10 10:05:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1173
Jan 10 10:07:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1174 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Jan 10 10:07:02 <cdbot2> * * not display time format in communication history from Contacts
Jan 10 10:07:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1174
Jan 10 11:23:38 <CVirus> Good day everyone
Jan 10 11:27:16 <pjb_> hi
Jan 10 12:08:08 <mjr> *hmm*, my gsm provider has multisim service for 2.9 euro a month, including data usage... maybe I should get a usb hdspa modem as an aside anyway...
Jan 10 12:08:12 <mjr> hsdpa
Jan 10 12:09:06 <mjr> (including existing data service packages for my current gsm contract, that is, of course)
Jan 10 12:11:41 <maito> mjr: saunalahti that is?
Jan 10 12:11:50 <mjr> yes
Jan 10 12:11:51 <zash> hm, one could rape huawei e220 and build it into the neo..
Jan 10 12:12:29 <maito> its darned expensive :/ usb
Jan 10 12:12:56 <maito> and neo doesnt have a powered usb port so itd be quite a rape with its own battery perhaps?
Jan 10 12:14:14 <mjr> doesn't seem like a smart thing to do indeed
Jan 10 12:14:33 <mjr> or too useful
Jan 10 12:14:47 <zash> BUT, SIX TIMES FASTER DOWNLOADS!!!1
Jan 10 12:14:49 <zash> ;)
Jan 10 12:14:57 <zash> unless there is turbo-3g
Jan 10 12:15:05 <cjb_ie> would it be fast enough for real time streaming porn?
Jan 10 12:15:21 <maito> HSDPA is 2Mbps 
Jan 10 12:15:23 <maito> in reality
Jan 10 12:15:43 <maito> and in theory 3.6 or 7.2Mbps
Jan 10 12:15:58 <maito> and upcoming 14.4Mbps
Jan 10 12:16:17 <cjb_ie> 2Mbit? downhill with a following wind, next to the cell tower and with every other phone in the cell turned off, maybe.
Jan 10 12:16:39 <cjb_ie> or maybe that's just my provider (three.ie)
Jan 10 12:16:41 <zash> and ~300Kbps something here
Jan 10 12:17:59 <maito> well 2Mbit when really near HSDPA enabled cell tower (in town, probably helsinki)
Jan 10 12:20:29 * XorA has no HSDPA :-(
Jan 10 12:21:58 * mjr would only be having a 384k contract anyway, even if I got the modem (higher ones aren't really worth it)
Jan 10 12:25:41 * zash has 99 SEK / month and free usbmodem
Jan 10 12:26:26 <zash> but no hsdpa coverage
Jan 10 12:26:49 <zash> they do have coverage at umu
Jan 10 12:27:14 <maito> mjr: but the ping time with 3g over gprs is worth it
Jan 10 12:27:48 <CVirus> what's all the fuss about on the mailing list
Jan 10 12:28:03 <CVirus> people are stupid enough to realize that the GTA01 is a dev phone
Jan 10 12:28:04 <CVirus> wtf !
Jan 10 12:28:11 <CVirus> not to realize*
Jan 10 12:28:58 <NineX> CVirus: lol
Jan 10 12:29:24 <zash> CVirus: second line ^3wd$
Jan 10 12:29:35 <NineX> CVirus: GTA01 is mmore than dev phone, is the best geek toy
Jan 10 12:29:53 <NineX> :>
Jan 10 12:29:57 <CVirus> true
Jan 10 12:31:34 <NineX> damn glamo patches for kernel are broken about 2 days and dont aply corectly :S
Jan 10 12:32:05 <mjr> maito, yeah that'd be one factor
Jan 10 12:32:28 <CVirus> NineX: too much typos ?
Jan 10 12:32:34 <NineX> CVirus: http://pastebin.ca/848406
Jan 10 12:32:36 <NineX> :S
Jan 10 12:49:33 <ruimoreira> hi folks 
Jan 10 12:49:46 <ruimoreira> is the dialer working good lately ?=
Jan 10 13:10:24 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03sameo * r3809 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (8 files): ar6k-atheros-2.0: Initial commit for the 2.0 FW compatible ar6k driver.
Jan 10 14:02:27 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03sameo * r3810 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: Fixed include path.
Jan 10 14:26:10 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl ping
Jan 10 14:26:22 <mickeyl> pöng
Jan 10 14:27:06 <Ghiottone|work> oh hello
Jan 10 14:27:36 <Ghiottone|work> I have sent you an email some days ago regarding a statified version of gllin
Jan 10 14:27:54 <Ghiottone|work> some time ago you said you were interested
Jan 10 14:28:28 <mickeyl> sure. got anywhere?
Jan 10 14:28:40 <Ghiottone|work> yes
Jan 10 14:28:55 <Ghiottone|work> the elf statifier developer could not port it to openmoko
Jan 10 14:28:59 <Ghiottone|work> but
Jan 10 14:29:04 <Ghiottone|work> managed to use ermine on it
Jan 10 14:29:15 <Ghiottone|work> and produced a working statified version
Jan 10 14:29:18 <qermit> kto z polski?
Jan 10 14:29:20 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03sameo * r3811 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: Remove ugly and useless Makefiles.
Jan 10 14:29:21 <Ghiottone|work> ermine is not open source
Jan 10 14:29:40 <Ghiottone|work> but he said that the statified binary could be freely distributed
Jan 10 14:29:53 <Ghiottone|work> that file was attached to the mail I sent you
Jan 10 14:30:17 <SpeedEvil> Statified?
Jan 10 14:30:19 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jan 10 14:31:09 <qermit> NineX: bu
Jan 10 14:31:13 <Ghiottone|work> a binary that does not need the .so files
Jan 10 14:31:22 <Ghiottone|work> but is bigger
Jan 10 14:32:15 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: your debug board is on the way, btw.
Jan 10 14:32:25 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: please confirm when it arrived
Jan 10 14:32:33 <Sup3rkiddo> ah...StaticFied?
Jan 10 14:32:43 <mickeyl> Ghiottone|work: hmm cool, yeah, please send it to me.
Jan 10 14:33:04 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl you have it already
Jan 10 14:33:28 <mickeyl> hmm. when did you send?
Jan 10 14:33:35 * mickeyl digs into his mailbox
Jan 10 14:33:50 <Ghiottone|work> 18 december
Jan 10 14:33:58 <mickeyl> ooh
Jan 10 14:34:03 <Ghiottone|work> mickey at OM dot org
Jan 10 14:34:08 <mickeyl> right
Jan 10 14:34:11 * mickeyl changes mailboxes
Jan 10 14:34:14 <mickeyl> i setup a new server on 24th
Jan 10 14:34:16 <mickeyl> .)
Jan 10 14:34:19 <Field> Hirvinen, a little question: does the whole flash memory of the device uses JFFS2 -- or is this just the parameter rootfstype=jffs2 for the rootfs ?
Jan 10 14:34:39 <Ghiottone|work> a christmas server ? :)
Jan 10 14:34:43 <mickeyl> hehe, ya
Jan 10 14:34:47 <mickeyl> ah, found it.
Jan 10 14:34:52 <mickeyl> marked as "important"
Jan 10 14:34:56 <mickeyl> along with 30 other mails
Jan 10 14:35:00 <mickeyl> which i didn't have time to process yet
Jan 10 14:35:03 <mickeyl> but i'm on it...
Jan 10 14:35:04 <SpeedEvil> Field: just the GPS
Jan 10 14:35:07 <SpeedEvil> Field: just the FS
Jan 10 14:35:21 <SpeedEvil> Field: the kernel and uboot and ... partitions are not jffs
Jan 10 14:35:31 <SpeedEvil> mickeyl: will do!
Jan 10 14:35:43 <mickeyl> you have a pretty long address btw.
Jan 10 14:35:46 <mickeyl> is that common in UK?
Jan 10 14:36:03 <SpeedEvil> Umm. 
Jan 10 14:36:05 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl my email address?
Jan 10 14:36:09 <SpeedEvil> It's common in rural areas.
Jan 10 14:36:14 <Ghiottone|work> ah ok
Jan 10 14:36:18 <mickeyl> Ghiottone|work: no, speedevils snail mail :)
Jan 10 14:37:26 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl I think that the ermine developer is about to make an announcement of the port to ARM to the OM community list and say something about gllin too. could it be of interest to anyone?
Jan 10 14:38:01 <SpeedEvil> mickeyl: there are no actual street addresses here - the house name - Cottar Acre refers to a _very_ old award. And Knowehead means that it's near a small hill.
Jan 10 14:38:04 <SpeedEvil> (sort-of)
Jan 10 14:38:20 <Field> SpeedEvil: so I wonder why my kernel image has a different size .. "wc -c image.boot" results 10592828 bytes but after uploading the file via dfu-util it looks like the kernel-image has 10993664 bytes. where is my mistake in my head? 
Jan 10 14:38:39 <SpeedEvil> Field: does it matter?
Jan 10 14:38:44 <mickeyl> Ghiottone|work: hmm thinking about it... 
Jan 10 14:38:51 <mickeyl> does the license allow modifying the binary?
Jan 10 14:38:54 <mickeyl> we have to be careful
Jan 10 14:38:57 <SpeedEvil> Field: dfu-util probably uses different size blocks or something
Jan 10 14:39:19 <Field> SpeedEvil: y because I am searching the mistake my kernel does not want to boot correctly
Jan 10 14:39:30 <SpeedEvil> Field: where did you get this kernel?
Jan 10 14:40:08 <Field> SpeedEvil .. I'm one of those - who want to get okl4 workling..
Jan 10 14:40:17 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl gllin license you mean?
Jan 10 14:40:22 <mickeyl> yes
Jan 10 14:40:32 <mickeyl> i don't want you to get into trouble
Jan 10 14:40:45 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl that's why I'm talking with you and not posting to the community
Jan 10 14:40:47 <mickeyl> so officially talking about modifying the gllin binary could be a not good idea
Jan 10 14:40:51 <mickeyl> right
Jan 10 14:41:17 <mickeyl> just talking about the announcement
Jan 10 14:41:42 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl without any word about gllin?
Jan 10 14:42:16 <Ghiottone|work> even saying "I did that and it worked" is illegal??
Jan 10 14:42:35 <Field> Speedevil: inside qemu it works, so there should be a mistake somewhere in my mtdparts - or the kernel-image itself ... inside qemu I start the kernel with the parameter "-kernel image.boot" .. and this results my console .. like I wish
Jan 10 14:43:09 <SpeedEvil> Field: have you tried a release kernel?
Jan 10 14:43:27 <Field> SpeedEvil: of course this works ..
Jan 10 14:43:46 <Field> SpeedEveil: so I have a functional moko -- if you mean that
Jan 10 14:43:51 <mickeyl> Ghiottone|work: i have no idea actually. i don't get all this legal stuff. i just want to raise the attention that it _could_ have legal impacts.
Jan 10 14:44:26 <SpeedEvil> Field: how are yuou making this kernel?
Jan 10 14:45:38 <XorA> well as long as a P0 developer does the gllin hacking its fine :-D
Jan 10 14:46:17 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl ok. I'll tell him about not to mention gllin in the announce. Do you want his email in case you wanted to contact him directly?
Jan 10 14:46:57 <Field> SpeedEvil: people from okl4 have their own build-system .. I used it and - let me focus the point a bit - inside qemu (neo1973 patched qemu) it works perfekt... I'm confused =)
Jan 10 14:47:35 <SpeedEvil> Field: I can only say that build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10-neo1973.bin and similar work for me when using mokomakefile
Jan 10 14:47:46 <SpeedEvil> and copying them over to the device
Jan 10 14:48:38 <mickeyl> Ghiottone|work: yes, please, thanks
Jan 10 14:49:19 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl ok. I'm sending you an email with his address to protect his privacy
Jan 10 14:49:59 <mickeyl> right
Jan 10 14:50:06 <NineX> qermit: co?
Jan 10 14:50:37 <qermit> NineX: szukalem polskich ludzi na tym kanale
Jan 10 14:50:58 <NineX> qermit: english
Jan 10 14:51:09 <NineX> qermit: hrw 
Jan 10 14:51:55 <Field> SpeedEvil: y this works - but my goal is to get a more secure kernel onto to moko..virtualization and so on.. we had this subject a couple of month ago inside this channel. ok .. so I continue serching the mistake and try to believe dfu-util it transfers my kernel correctly =)
Jan 10 14:52:26 <SpeedEvil> you can use dd to write your kernel live onto the right partition I think
Jan 10 14:53:51 <Field> SpeedEvil: hm - never used it to transfer the kernel .. maybe I'll check this .. thanks anyway
Jan 10 14:54:09 <hrw> qermit: there are few
Jan 10 14:55:17 <qermit> :> <- hrw 
Jan 10 14:57:50 <Ghiottone|work> mickeyl I just sent you the developer's email.
Jan 10 14:58:40 <mickeyl> thanks
Jan 10 14:58:44 <mickeyl> got it
Jan 10 14:59:28 <hrw> qermit: which part of Poland you are from and which neo you have? or any other questions?
Jan 10 15:01:44 <qermit> hrw: capital | none | how many Poles alredy has neo :P
Jan 10 15:02:45 <qermit> hrw: and othre - how many wants GTA02
Jan 10 15:03:26 <SpeedEvil> GTA02 is not available now.
Jan 10 15:03:32 <hrw> qermit: hard to tell how many have gta01 and how many wants gta02
Jan 10 15:03:39 <SpeedEvil> Maybe march at the earliest for buying
Jan 10 15:03:51 <hrw> SpeedEvil: but it is available to wanting (not buying/getting)
Jan 10 15:03:52 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: I still hear people like balrog-kun talking about their '02 ;-)
Jan 10 15:04:22 <hrw> wurp2: balrog-kun is developer doing work for OpenMoko company 
Jan 10 15:05:07 <wurp2> hrw: Yeah, but my point was I personally never have any idea anyone's position in these forums
Jan 10 15:05:10 <Field> by the way this "mini-projector" would be a very nice gimmick for our neo .. (said in one of the community posts)
Jan 10 15:05:15 <wurp2> So the question still seems legit
Jan 10 15:05:22 <SpeedEvil> Indeed - if it's available.
Jan 10 15:05:36 <SpeedEvil> I assume it's patented, so it'll be utterly under the control of one company
Jan 10 15:05:52 <SpeedEvil> and vulnerable to nokia for example buying sole rights
Jan 10 15:06:04 <hrw> qermit: for example I have 2 gta01 and want to have gta02. but will I use it as phone?
Jan 10 15:06:08 <Field> we need some more features - people want to buy the neo .. "open" is not a argument for the public. ... 
Jan 10 15:06:16 <Field> sadly
Jan 10 15:06:26 <SpeedEvil> Field: we do not need more features
Jan 10 15:06:28 * XorA sees the worm jar open again
Jan 10 15:06:34 <wurp2> No, so I don't expect it to do well with the public early on
Jan 10 15:06:39 <SpeedEvil> Field: we need more software and cheaper hardware.
Jan 10 15:06:58 <SpeedEvil> $450 is a very high price for the current hardware in 3-6 months
Jan 10 15:07:07 <wurp2> but open == many cool new applications, which in the longer run will mean something to the public
Jan 10 15:07:16 <SpeedEvil> Comapred simply hardware feature-hardware feature
Jan 10 15:07:20 <SpeedEvil> True.
Jan 10 15:07:24 <Field> SpeedEvil: cheaper hardware - thats right. .. but if many peoply buy it - its getting cheaper and cheaper
Jan 10 15:07:48 <SpeedEvil> But to get to that point, you have to get equivalent software in all areas to your average $450 PDA.
Jan 10 15:07:58 <SpeedEvil> And well, 
Jan 10 15:08:00 <Field> y
Jan 10 15:08:06 * SpeedEvil falls on the floor laughing.
Jan 10 15:08:22 <qermit> hrw: why not, i'm looking for crazy people who wants buy 02 (shipping costs)
Jan 10 15:08:27 <linuxxr> compitition
Jan 10 15:09:40 <linuxxr> a lot of developers are getting into the openess
Jan 10 15:10:05 <linuxxr> for instance  "bug labs
Jan 10 15:10:34 <hrw> qermit: gta02 will be available from Europe rather
Jan 10 15:11:15 <Field> SpeedEvil: I think if more people try to complete one of those "public" navigation-maps .. this would help the whole project immense. of course (like you or someone else said some days before) basic phone-functions are essential..
Jan 10 15:11:18 <hrw> qermit: so no costs nearly
Jan 10 15:11:24 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03sameo * r3812 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: more useless makefile removal.
Jan 10 15:13:04 <RedDog> sometimes neo drops only 20mA in suspend ... with full battery this leads to 2,5days runtime! ;-)
Jan 10 15:13:37 <linuxxr> yay
Jan 10 15:13:37 <Field> SpeedEvil: wake up the public-interest .. my experience is - only "open-source-interested"-peoply even heard about neo .. noone else. Bigger success needs more publicity. .. 
Jan 10 15:13:46 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jan 10 15:14:06 <SpeedEvil> Bigger success means qualifying for mobile phone store buyers to buy your phone.
Jan 10 15:14:24 <Field> true
Jan 10 15:14:32 <linuxxr> we dont wat that
Jan 10 15:14:43 <SpeedEvil> We _really_ want people that could not care that it has linux on it.
Jan 10 15:15:36 <SpeedEvil> The ideal case is that every phone gets sold with openmoko on it.
Jan 10 15:15:46 <Field> linuxxr: you dont want ppl to buy your phone? .. 
Jan 10 15:17:31 <Field> well - anyway .. got to go back to my problem.. nice talking
Jan 10 15:18:24 <RedDog> what power consumption has gsm modem in standby mode? 
Jan 10 15:19:06 <qermit> hrw: so i'll open polish shop on ebay :P 
Jan 10 15:19:16 <qermit> :E
Jan 10 15:23:10 <RedDog> now it takes 80mA :-(
Jan 10 15:36:41 <ciazzz> hi
Jan 10 15:36:41 <ciazzz> does anyone know a channel where one speaks about ns2 or systemC?
Jan 10 15:44:04 <Field> ciazzz: no - sry
Jan 10 16:01:10 <PBeck> hi
Jan 10 16:05:46 <tushyd> what are the chances of me using openmoko on a non-phone pda like my Dell Axim x51v?
Jan 10 16:06:52 <CIA-1> openmoko: 03sameo * r3813 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (atheros_2_0_function.patch atheros_2_0_hcd.patch): 
Jan 10 16:06:52 <CIA-1> openmoko: ar6k-atheros-2.0: First gigabytes xfered on a 2.0 ar6k driver.
Jan 10 16:06:52 <CIA-1> openmoko: IRQs were turned off for too long.
Jan 10 16:13:04 <summatusmentis> tushyd: if you can run linux on your Axim x51v, you can probably run OM on it. Otherwise, get linux running on it, and then you can run OM on it :-D
Jan 10 16:15:25 <tushyd> ok, i think linux development is pretty stagnant on it
Jan 10 16:21:43 <hrw> tushyd: like with many other linux ports for pocketpc devices
Jan 10 16:22:41 <tushyd> yeah, sadly
Jan 10 17:28:51 <ruimoreira> one question ppl can i surf the internet with gprs  on neo '
Jan 10 17:28:52 <ruimoreira> ?
Jan 10 17:28:58 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 10 17:29:02 <SpeedEvil> I've done it.
Jan 10 17:29:06 <ruimoreira> :)
Jan 10 17:29:21 <ruimoreira> hum.... getting interresting ;)
Jan 10 17:29:33 <ruimoreira> SpeedEvil: is it hard  ?
Jan 10 17:30:03 <SpeedEvil> look on 'manually using gprs' on the wiki
Jan 10 17:34:11 <wurp2> OK, from a gsm-for-dummies level, what is the difference between gprs and EDGE?
Jan 10 17:34:25 <wurp2> I know EDGE is AT&T specific, or I think I know that anyway ;-)
Jan 10 17:34:25 <thseiler> wurp2: speed
Jan 10 17:34:34 <wurp2> thx
Jan 10 17:34:42 <LarstiQ> wurp2: it's not AT&T specific
Jan 10 17:34:47 <anrp> edge is an international standard
Jan 10 17:34:52 <wurp2> ah, thx
Jan 10 17:34:53 <anrp> its a bolt up upgrade for gprs
Jan 10 17:35:00 <maito> I can get up to 30kb/s with EDGE (saunalahti)
Jan 10 17:35:02 <wurp2> I had only heard of it in association with AT&T in the US
Jan 10 17:35:10 <anrp> i used it in europe last week so :o
Jan 10 17:35:14 <wurp2> maito: wow
Jan 10 17:37:19 <wurp2> I have only started paying attention to mobile protocols since getting my neo (and obviously not too much, even then)
Jan 10 17:37:38 <wurp2> So I thought lack of 3G on neo meant no internet w/o some serious hacking
Jan 10 17:38:04 <wurp2> i.e. emulating some kind of modem to a custom asterisk box or something similarly ludicrous
Jan 10 17:39:10 <thseiler> wurp2: no, it just means that is is using GPRS which is a bit slower compared to 3G. 
Jan 10 17:39:33 <maito> not just bit, a lot.
Jan 10 17:39:39 <LarstiQ> maito: slightly ;)
Jan 10 17:41:00 <maito> yees... well.. I forgot the numbers ;)
Jan 10 17:44:53 <thseiler> i have an understanding question: I try to build openmoko-terminal2. For some reason, it tries to download revision 3542 from svn, which fails. (Unable to find repository location for 'http://...' in revision 3542. a fresh checkout from the same repository works fine and gives revision 3813. I opened openmoko-terminal2.bb to update the revsion, but *surprise* no revisions in there. Where does this 3542 come from ?
Jan 10 17:47:59 <RedDog> thseiler: openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc ?
Jan 10 17:48:30 <ruimoreira> anyone here from portugal ?
Jan 10 17:48:45 <thseiler> RedDog: thanks a lot!
Jan 10 18:26:07 <torpor> hello!
Jan 10 18:26:09 <torpor> wassup?
Jan 10 18:59:37 <mjr> re power management discussion on the list; to what extent is it now considered to be a hardware issue on gta01? I mean, is it as much as "really can't suspend SoC without losing GSM, thus having to keep SoC powered all the time" grade, ie. essentially no standby and at least daily recharges, or is it just "we can get suspend but for various other reasons it'll be quite a hog" grade with perhaps a couple of days standby?
Jan 10 19:00:13 <mjr> (I knew what I was buying so I shan't be complaining, I just want to get the lowdown on it)
Jan 10 19:01:53 <mjr> just that if it'll be really bad, I might have to get two GTA02's (if 01 won't really be suitable for wife :)
Jan 10 19:04:02 <torpor> i'm gonna keep my gta01 but get swap-to-disk working on it .. 
Jan 10 19:04:26 <mjr> I'm gonna keep mine too nevertheless
Jan 10 19:04:59 <mjr> if the pm is really, really broken at least I can make it a small embedded box...
Jan 10 19:07:33 <bedboi> mjr: i didn't know the pm stuff was a so serious issue
Jan 10 19:07:40 <bedboi> i thought the hw was ok
Jan 10 19:07:57 <SpeedEvil> It is mostly
Jan 10 19:08:02 <SpeedEvil> there are a couple of issues
Jan 10 19:08:07 <roh> mjr asfar as i understand it the hardware on gta01 is ok, its just firmware issues. this means pm on the app cpu and eventually a gsm firmware update
Jan 10 19:08:08 <SpeedEvil> can't wake on bluetooth
Jan 10 19:08:14 <mjr> okay, thanks, 'cause that was what I was asking
Jan 10 19:08:21 <mjr> the discussion on the list seemed to imply more serious issues
Jan 10 19:08:23 <roh> SpeedEvil well.. what should that be good for?
Jan 10 19:08:45 <roh> SpeedEvil leaving bt on in connectable state would take way too much power anyways.
Jan 10 19:08:48 <LarstiQ> roh: bluetooth keyboard/headset?
Jan 10 19:09:05 <SpeedEvil> roh: phone in pocket, I can make a call pressing the button on the headset (bluetooth) rather than pulling phone out of pocket
Jan 10 19:09:39 <SpeedEvil> And bluetooth suspend power is _much_ _much_ lower than actively waiting for bluetooth connections
Jan 10 19:09:44 <roh> that does not change the amount the bt would take while on
Jan 10 19:09:54 <SpeedEvil> which is several milliamps
Jan 10 19:10:01 <SpeedEvil> it's less than the GSM
Jan 10 19:10:05 <roh> atleast i know of no mode to get the csr take less
Jan 10 19:10:14 * mjr thinks the bt wakeup issue isn't too critical, but would nevertheless like people who design the future phones to know that it _does_ have its uses...
Jan 10 19:10:30 <SpeedEvil> The issue iosn't the CSR - it's that the processor has to be on talking USB to do it.
Jan 10 19:10:45 <roh> the csr4 which is in there is the same as on regular notebooks, so when oyu find out how to get that take less power.. tell me
Jan 10 19:11:03 <roh> SpeedEvil i know. but there is no choice when you want serious datarates
Jan 10 19:11:15 <roh> serial or spi? no thanks
Jan 10 19:11:23 <SpeedEvil> roh: 'wake up, I've pressed a button' is not a serious datarate
Jan 10 19:12:10 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it (this is second hand) in principle there are extra lines from the bluetooth module that are not brought onto the motherboard through the panel connector.
Jan 10 19:12:21 <torpor> whats up with svn.berlios.de?  anyone know?  
Jan 10 19:12:25 <torpor> my make update don't work ..
Jan 10 19:12:49 <SpeedEvil> if they were, and were able to be connected to wake-enabled lines, the CSR supports waking the CPU that way,.
Jan 10 19:13:21 <roh> SpeedEvil afaik all the gpio on the bt module are used for wireless interoperabilite with wifi
Jan 10 19:14:42 <SpeedEvil> I'm going by what (IIRC) writchie said - who seemed to have a clue on the CSR wiring. I've not looked at it myself.
Jan 10 19:19:28 <roh> uhm.. hm.. there are 4 gpios on the csr
Jan 10 19:19:35 <roh> 2 go to the wifi, 2 to the app cpu..
Jan 10 19:20:44 <SpeedEvil> torpor: I've had it swapping to SD - works fine
Jan 10 19:23:35 <anrp> swapping to flash ...
Jan 10 19:23:44 <SpeedEvil> Works fine.
Jan 10 19:23:50 <SpeedEvil> Assuming wear leveling.
Jan 10 19:57:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1175 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net
Jan 10 19:57:02 <cdbot2> * * Automatic ipkg kernel upgrade needs stricter sanity check
Jan 10 19:57:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1175
Jan 10 20:03:52 <zeth> Hi has anyone used the browser in openmoko?
Jan 10 20:04:34 <zeth> If do you have an idea what is usable area of the screen browser window?
Jan 10 20:04:42 <SpeedEvil> briefly
Jan 10 20:04:55 <SpeedEvil> 400*500?
Jan 10 20:07:02 <zeth> that would sound about right if the whole screen is 480x640
Jan 10 20:10:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1176 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net
Jan 10 20:10:01 <cdbot2> * * Truncated u-boot printout of kernel version string
Jan 10 20:10:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1176
Jan 10 23:18:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1177 has been created by andrew.paulsen(AT)packetdigital.com
Jan 10 23:18:01 <cdbot2> * * '-e command' support for virtual terminal
Jan 10 23:18:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1177
Jan 11 00:34:57 <Crashbit> Hiz! i don't speak english, i'm spanish, but my neo1973 sound fail, the rootfs and kernel is january 2008
Jan 11 00:35:25 <Crashbit> with old kernels sound works but gsmd doesn't work.
Jan 11 00:36:36 <Crashbit> how i can repair the sound, the file modules is needed with the latests kernels or it's opcional ?
Jan 11 00:37:46 <mjr> yes you probably need the modules from that package to better match your kernel
Jan 11 00:38:23 <Crashbit> i don't know to install modules package
Jan 11 00:39:26 <Crashbit> How install the modules files ?
Jan 11 00:39:44 <Crashbit> uf! bad construction ;)
Jan 11 00:40:49 <Crashbit> i used dfu-utils to install the kernel and rootfs, modules too ?
Jan 11 00:42:22 <mjr> untar the modules package, find the audio modules within, copy to the appropriate directory on the neo root, maybe run depmod -a (dunno if necessary)
Jan 11 00:43:07 <Crashbit> ok, dunno whats it?
Jan 11 00:43:52 <mjr> ask google
Jan 11 00:44:07 <Crashbit> ok, thanks
Jan 11 00:46:34 <isforinsects> How well does openmoko implement the bluetooth stack?
Jan 11 00:46:49 <isforinsects> I'm wondering the best solution to including it on my XO
Jan 11 00:47:15 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't
Jan 11 00:47:18 <SpeedEvil> it uses bluez
Jan 11 00:47:21 <mjr> hmh? it's the usual linux bluez thingy
Jan 11 00:47:32 <mjr> not much high-level support currently
Jan 11 00:47:44 <SpeedEvil> there is a 'turn on/off bluetooth'
Jan 11 00:47:46 <SpeedEvil> icon
Jan 11 00:47:49 <SpeedEvil> I don't know if it works
Jan 11 00:54:45 <thseiler> i need a bit help with openembedded
Jan 11 00:55:58 <thseiler> I have made a few changes to matchbox-keyboard to make it bit more usable with plain fingers... Now i would like to build an ipkg of this, so that i can share it easily with others. 
Jan 11 00:56:21 <thseiler> however, all the ipkg that i'm able to generate won't install on the neo
Jan 11 00:56:45 <thseiler> it always fails with an error about some MD5 and suggests to run 'ipkg update'.
Jan 11 00:57:14 <thseiler> Has anyone an idea what i do wrong ? there aren't many tutorials on ipkg in the web, i've already searched
Jan 11 01:59:10 <josch> thseiler, still there?
Jan 11 01:59:16 <thseiler> yepp
Jan 11 01:59:33 <josch> great - how do you build your new ipkg?
Jan 11 01:59:48 <josch> do you just change the source in openembeddded?
Jan 11 01:59:54 <josch> do you use the makefile?
Jan 11 01:59:54 <thseiler> hehe, i was just building the wrong package
Jan 11 02:00:06 <josch> so its fixed now?
Jan 11 02:00:28 <thseiler> i used matchbox-keyboard instead of matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod
Jan 11 02:00:48 <josch> what did you change?
Jan 11 02:01:24 <thseiler> i think the problem a conflict between those two packages: they are providing the same files.
Jan 11 02:01:46 <thseiler> I've got matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod installed (by default) and tried to add matchbox-keyboard
Jan 11 02:02:03 <thseiler> I now have moved my patches to the other package and it works somehow...
Jan 11 02:02:36 <josch> thseiler, consider using a local overlay for your apps in openembedded
Jan 11 02:02:47 <thseiler> ok, how do I do that ?
Jan 11 02:03:50 <thseiler> google revealed something on the wiki... reading it now
Jan 11 02:04:07 <josch> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course
Jan 11 02:04:28 <josch> the " What's the goal?" section links to all important pages
Jan 11 02:05:18 <thseiler> thank you very much. 
Jan 11 02:05:22 <thseiler> this really helps.
Jan 11 02:08:41 <josch> thseiler, you're welcome! :-)
Jan 11 02:09:08 <thseiler> josch: btw: do you know if there is a repository with a working gdb  (i.e. to run it on the neo)
Jan 11 02:10:02 <thseiler> my stuff still segfaults... :(
Jan 11 02:10:55 <josch> thseiler, never used gdb on the neo sry - I only coded python and used strace
Jan 11 02:16:35 <ljp> try using gdbserver. it will use less memory
Jan 11 02:21:32 <thseiler> thanks for the tip...
Jan 11 02:32:42 <thseiler> so enough for tonight, isn't looking so bad: http://www.seili.net/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-screenshot.png
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