**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 12 02:59:57 2008 Jan 12 03:06:26 summatusmentis: Correct. We agree. Since there are relatively few Blue Ray discs, the vast majority (yet to be created) won't use the cracked (revoked) key. Jan 12 03:06:50 right Jan 12 03:08:01 I won't buy a Blue Ray system until a far better crack happens. Jan 12 03:15:45 its really really dumb Jan 12 03:16:01 at most it will irritate people making their own rips Jan 12 03:16:15 scene groups will probably find their own little key, and not put it out on the web Jan 12 03:16:33 so there will still be releases... dumb mpaa, dumb drm Jan 12 03:16:57 very dumb indeed Jan 12 03:17:51 DRM only works when you have a monopoly on content Jan 12 03:24:33 I won't buy one ever Jan 12 03:24:52 if they want to play hard to get, then I'm not going to keep trying Jan 12 03:26:57 I rent a lot of DVD's and play them on my home theater. If one day the video store has mostly, or only, BlueRay, I will need a player. I am hopeful that by that time, a Linux player exists. Jan 12 03:39:10 I still wouldn't give them my money Jan 12 03:39:26 sony get a royalty on blu-ray disks and I'm never giving them fuckers money again :/ Jan 12 03:40:10 amen Jan 12 03:44:19 I must say, I completely disagree with Sony's DRM views. Jan 12 03:44:35 They cripple the market Jan 12 03:46:07 Sony would rather own a crippled market than be a player in a much larger market.... sounds like a certain software company Jan 12 03:49:00 none of these companies realize if they play into linux users they would make alot more money. Jan 12 03:49:44 They dont have to offer open source to be a friend of the open source community Jan 12 04:05:06 yess, dialer is fixed :-D Jan 12 04:05:33 yay Jan 12 04:09:52 hmm... IBM's PC division didn't do too well when everyone standardized on 'Wintel'.. Jan 12 04:44:41 trying to access my TV card via vlc and the display variable is set to my moko. getting this error BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) any ideas? Jan 12 05:23:35 KrisAbsinthe: You need to 'xhost +' on your moko? Jan 12 05:28:42 I did i can use many other apps, streaming dvds like this works, just not my TV card Jan 12 05:44:36 Weird. Jan 12 06:14:21 wish someone would make a FOSS PMP with a 4-5" LCD Jan 12 06:16:00 right now all the Linux PMP's seem to have hooks in them to restrict your ability to do anything Jan 12 06:33:04 hmm Jan 12 07:18:12 any gsm related channel here on freenode? Jan 12 10:09:06 good morning Jan 12 10:11:39 good night! Jan 12 10:21:23 any gsm related channel here on freenode? Jan 12 10:35:17 do some of you notice a lack of sound after a recent build? Jan 12 10:36:39 here module /lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/sound/soc/snd-soc-core.ko Jan 12 10:36:45 is missing in my rootfs Jan 12 10:54:09 i don't have problems but i use bleding edge Jan 12 10:55:19 NineX: ok, thanks Jan 12 12:04:29 Maybe March, weeho! Jan 12 12:08:29 So in march you can maybe buy the developer edition of gta02 or is it just sent to developers? Jan 12 12:10:48 spydon: anyone was able to buy a gta01, so I guess gta02 would be the same Jan 12 12:11:09 yeah nice Jan 12 12:13:44 i've succeeded in automating SMS sending and receiving, but i still don't know where to poll for events properly Jan 12 12:15:16 Where are you from, idioterna? :P Jan 12 12:15:22 .si Jan 12 12:15:38 what does idioterna mean in .si? :P Jan 12 12:15:51 one of lars von trier's best movies? :) Jan 12 12:16:22 Ah I see :P Jan 12 12:16:23 i know what it means in .se, don't worry :) Jan 12 12:16:38 ok hehe :P Jan 12 12:27:36 guyz i want to help develop something but i dont know C only python, php, can i help in something? Jan 12 12:36:10 jonathan-br-ba, python is just great - you can develop apps in python for openmoko just fine Jan 12 12:37:39 josch: great i will search about heh Jan 12 12:40:15 event notifications still bother me Jan 12 12:40:25 exit Jan 12 12:40:29 i can't seem to find any docs on the subject Jan 12 12:42:49 idioterna, what do you want to do? Jan 12 12:43:38 be notified if the phone receives an SMS Jan 12 12:43:49 hrhr Jan 12 12:43:58 and i don't think tailing the gsm.log file is the right thing to do :) Jan 12 12:44:17 idioterna, do you want to use gsmd for sms handling? Jan 12 12:44:24 yeah, why not Jan 12 12:44:43 just asked because I prefer the python implementation of gsmd Jan 12 12:44:47 anything considered safe Jan 12 12:44:52 i've just installed it Jan 12 12:44:57 i mean python-gsmd Jan 12 12:45:06 from http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=14 Jan 12 12:45:26 ah this one Jan 12 12:45:31 so you write in python Jan 12 12:45:35 sure Jan 12 12:45:48 i love python :) Jan 12 12:47:34 are there any other python implementations of gsmd? Jan 12 12:47:47 there are Jan 12 12:47:56 python-gsmd you found is only a binding to gsmd Jan 12 12:48:02 yes Jan 12 12:48:08 but there is even an implementation that replaces gsmd Jan 12 12:48:16 altogether? Jan 12 12:48:17 and is imho much cleaner and more stable Jan 12 12:48:23 with more docs than gsmd? :) Jan 12 12:48:36 url please :) Jan 12 12:49:09 idioterna, well the code is only 500 lines so a doc is not really needed Jan 12 12:49:19 that figures Jan 12 12:49:36 but i'm prepared to invest some time to fill out docstrings Jan 12 12:49:42 idioterna, http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/software/py-proto/?root=smartphones Jan 12 12:49:58 it makes it a lot easier for other people to get started Jan 12 12:50:04 idioterna, and as a very special it communicates via dbus Jan 12 12:50:12 ah, wonderful Jan 12 12:50:16 so this solves your question with events Jan 12 12:50:19 yeah Jan 12 12:50:25 and this is also why I prefer this one Jan 12 12:50:27 i thought gsmd didn't really do that too well Jan 12 12:50:35 yepp Jan 12 12:50:56 another question: how do i check this code out without messing with the browser? Jan 12 12:51:06 via svn? Jan 12 12:51:16 yeah, what's the svn url? Jan 12 12:51:42 svn checkout svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software/py-proto Jan 12 12:54:35 now we're getting somewhere Jan 12 12:54:38 this is just beautiful Jan 12 12:55:14 idioterna, just ask me or emdete (the dev of this code) if you have any question Jan 12 12:55:35 do you accept patches? :) Jan 12 12:55:56 idioterna, emdete surely will Jan 12 12:56:07 i love your coding style, too Jan 12 12:56:17 ah noo - this is not my code ^^ Jan 12 12:56:26 as I said emdete wrote it Jan 12 12:56:28 i think real tab chars make zero ambiguity Jan 12 12:56:29 hehe Jan 12 12:56:37 ok Jan 12 12:56:41 i'll thank him Jan 12 12:56:58 I'm in close contact with emdete but only for testing it and writing dbus apps on top of it Jan 12 12:57:59 that's something i'm aspiring to as well Jan 12 12:58:06 thanks a lot for these pointers Jan 12 12:58:12 it's oh so much clearer now Jan 12 13:46:19 hi Jan 12 13:49:21 hi Jan 12 13:54:53 why Jan 12 14:29:17 do people know if the gta02 will be shipping in march with any real justification? Jan 12 14:30:48 pjb i doubt consumer ready version but maybe developer ready but who knows Jan 12 14:30:52 * anrp wonders about the second half of that statement Jan 12 14:31:20 based on the name of the conversation Jan 12 14:31:25 where it says not to ask Jan 12 14:31:59 does anyone have the developer model and if so how usable is the gui as a phone at current time Jan 12 14:33:14 pjb there are power management issues amongst other things so not very Jan 12 14:33:42 i did actually today for the first time take mine out and use gps + gprs for a couple of hours Jan 12 14:34:22 how rapid is development progress Jan 12 14:34:23 pjb: not really usable as a phone, one problem is the gui + gsmd which don't work so well yet, but if you flash for example qtopia then this problem goes away Jan 12 14:34:38 the power management issues are the second problem Jan 12 14:35:03 * univac heard about pixil for siemens sx1 Jan 12 14:35:17 cool stuff: http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/gypsy-tutorial.html Jan 12 14:35:27 i was not aware of this Jan 12 14:35:44 bedboi yeh it looks good Jan 12 14:35:54 the api is very clean Jan 12 14:35:57 and it is C Jan 12 14:36:03 yeh dbus stuff is kewl Jan 12 14:36:06 yep Jan 12 14:36:49 moreover it seems to have a more modern design if compared to gpsd Jan 12 14:37:10 is anyone using it on neo? Jan 12 14:37:15 seeing as the guys at o-hand work on openmoko gui etc i would imagine this may also make it in to the framework Jan 12 14:38:17 i used it on openmoko once, but in the emulated neo Jan 12 14:38:45 i only used the commandline gypsy client because i was only testing stuff Jan 12 14:38:45 bedboi: converts the NMEA to xml, then uses xslt to translate it into a displayed page on the browser? Jan 12 14:38:59 xml... Jan 12 14:39:00 lol Jan 12 14:39:00 and wanted to avoid gpsd Jan 12 14:39:28 SpeedEvil: i'm talkin' about the lib Jan 12 14:39:32 it is very clean Jan 12 14:39:48 bedboi: I know - I'm just commenting on some 'modern' soltuions. Jan 12 14:39:54 ah Jan 12 14:39:58 no, i hate XML Jan 12 14:40:04 i don't find it modern Jan 12 14:40:13 it's just a waste of bytes Jan 12 14:40:21 well, gypsy api is quite reasonable Jan 12 14:40:22 didnt realise it used xml Jan 12 14:40:35 bedboi: after finding some code that does 'find the centre of a polygon' that takes many milliseconds. Jan 12 14:41:13 zedstar poky and what we use is quite similar from an app-writers point of view afaik Jan 12 14:41:13 SpeedEvil: lol Jan 12 14:41:38 (dozen point polygon) Jan 12 14:41:54 And it looked like there were no major inefficiencies in the code. Jan 12 14:41:55 btw C code written in '90 (on average) is far from being well designed. Jan 12 14:42:07 I totally agree. Jan 12 14:42:23 object oriented C has solved a lot of issues Jan 12 14:42:38 there's still people that has a mis-conception of C Jan 12 14:42:38 But you have a whole lot more leeway for bad design when you're running close to the hardware, rather than once you're 4 layers from it, each layer being slow. Jan 12 14:43:06 SpeedEvil: i agree, i had huge problems with dbus Jan 12 14:43:16 bedboi well.. object oriented c is in my opinion what the g-foo world is trying to do ;) Jan 12 14:43:17 in a project where latencies where crucial Jan 12 14:43:20 mmm, everybody loves cakes... cakes have layers! Jan 12 14:43:26 * anrp contributes nothing useful to this conversation Jan 12 14:43:29 roh: yep Jan 12 14:43:34 s/where/were Jan 12 14:43:42 bedboi you know vala? Jan 12 14:43:51 roh: yep i used it a little bit Jan 12 14:43:56 btw it's still immature imho Jan 12 14:43:57 * zedstar is programming his neo in Scheme Jan 12 14:44:03 but i am mad Jan 12 14:44:12 roh: plus, it is too high level for me Jan 12 14:44:27 * bedboi is scared about a language which can't perform memcpy Jan 12 14:44:39 memcpy is my best friend Jan 12 14:44:52 http://live.gnome.org/Vala (for the rest here) .. quite cool. and does work on the mokoi Jan 12 14:44:56 -i Jan 12 14:45:09 roh: i agree, potentially it is a very good project Jan 12 14:45:25 the C code produced from the `compiler` is not that bad Jan 12 14:45:32 it's readable Jan 12 14:45:36 Scheme is very minimal and compiles to C so it is actually not bad for embedded dev Jan 12 14:45:55 people just hate all the brackets! Jan 12 14:46:17 bedboi it can give quite an edge to app programming. but i imagine libs being written as usual for some till still Jan 12 14:47:08 roh: yep, i totally agree. I hate developing very high level stuff and C is boring at that level Jan 12 14:48:09 jap. if python would be optimized some more and have a reasonably small runtime.. but atm i do not believe in scripting above shell or so in embedded, same for vm-based stuff Jan 12 14:52:49 I've found lots of stupid uses for awk. Jan 12 14:53:05 It's compact, reasonably flexible, not too slow. Jan 12 14:54:19 that's the great thing about this kind of phone project...there are lots of choices for dev Jan 12 14:54:25 recommendations for projects to get involved with Jan 12 14:54:50 well Jan 12 14:55:08 given hardware accellerations i predict a full python-based environment being feasible for gta03 Jan 12 14:55:23 it already is fast enough on the n810 Jan 12 14:55:23 SpeedEvil but awk is pain for anything complex.. believe , ive written a backup system with it Jan 12 14:55:28 is java-pkg dead? its project.openmoko.org page seems quite empty, and last SVN write was 5 months ago... Jan 12 14:55:53 roh: yes - stretching it too far can be silly. I've done real-time DSP in it. Jan 12 14:56:01 mickeyl hrhr.. yeah.. but thats only due to gta02 having enough flash and ram for the runtime*eg* Jan 12 14:56:11 anyway, things like powermanagement and phonecall software is much more important at this point anyway of course :) Jan 12 14:56:21 sure, you shouldn't start < 128MB RAM Jan 12 14:56:27 +1 Jan 12 14:56:28 but i don't see future smartphones having less Jan 12 14:56:36 the runtime costs 10MB flash Jan 12 14:56:38 that's not much Jan 12 14:56:45 smartphones yes. but what is with routers? Jan 12 14:56:53 no idea Jan 12 14:56:58 i was just commenting on smartphones Jan 12 14:57:02 and set top boxes Jan 12 14:57:04 I'm unsure how much power having only 64M of flash would have saved. Not having to bring the address bus outr of the 2442. Jan 12 14:57:05 these are still having 4mb flash and 16 mb ram Jan 12 14:57:07 and gadgets like that Jan 12 14:57:32 stb also shape that down to the bare minimum if its not intentionally built for linux Jan 12 14:57:36 (for freerunner) Jan 12 14:58:17 SpeedEvil you mean ram. flash is all in the mcp Jan 12 14:58:35 roh: Oh - I thought 64M flash was outside, 64 inside. Jan 12 14:59:25 If ity's RAM, then no, going to 64 probably doesn't make any sense. Jan 12 15:00:00 does jalimo provide J2ME or only J2SE? Jan 12 15:00:09 mcp3 4 and 54 all have 64mb ram afaik and 128, 256, 256mb flash Jan 12 15:00:41 mickeyl, isn't there anything like psyco for arm? Jan 12 15:00:50 no Jan 12 15:00:54 :-/ Jan 12 15:00:55 unfortunately not Jan 12 15:01:07 but like i said Jan 12 15:01:14 the n810 is fast enough for a full python environment Jan 12 15:01:15 the maxclock is 400, 400, 500.. and the aviability 'yes, no, yes Jan 12 15:01:22 i expect future neo's being up to par as well Jan 12 15:01:27 perhaps even the 02 Jan 12 15:01:31 i have yet to experiment Jan 12 15:01:37 gta02? Jan 12 15:01:43 mickeyl what clock does the 810 run at? Jan 12 15:01:48 * Sup3rkiddo isnt happy with pygtk gta02 Jan 12 15:01:53 mickeyl, I'm just about to try out python-efl on gta02 :-) Jan 12 15:01:57 ah 01 Jan 12 15:02:00 of course Jan 12 15:02:13 TI OMAP 2420, 400Mhz Jan 12 15:02:35 the OMAP runs circles around the Samsung, of course Jan 12 15:02:37 mickeyl ah.. is that arm9 or 11? Jan 12 15:02:38 me forgets, whats the version released last year? 01? Jan 12 15:02:44 owe well, never mind Jan 12 15:02:48 roh: armv6 Jan 12 15:02:55 Sup3rkiddo : yes - 01 Jan 12 15:02:56 so, 11, i think Jan 12 15:02:58 anyone seen any papers/studies on battery life from say running a python app against a c app on a handheld...is there any noticable impact from the extra cpu cycles? Jan 12 15:03:10 zedstar: at the moment unfortuantely little Jan 12 15:03:22 zedstar: the CPU does not have that much saving when idle Jan 12 15:03:22 unfortunately? Jan 12 15:03:27 mickeyl then, well , of course .. that one has real caches, right? Jan 12 15:03:30 ~lart SpeedEvil Jan 12 15:03:31 * apt beats SpeedEvil to within 2.54cm of his life Jan 12 15:03:46 roh: yah, lots of internel sram Jan 12 15:03:46 ah that is interesting Jan 12 15:03:46 zedstar: and power saving is not implemented yet -0 someone is working on clock frequency varying. Jan 12 15:03:59 zedstar: and at that time, it shoudl get lots better. Jan 12 15:04:03 zedstar: well - worse Jan 12 15:04:24 but on a working handheld with good power management is there little impact of extra cpu cycles? Jan 12 15:04:36 zedstar: no - great impact Jan 12 15:04:50 zedstar: it's only if the PM doesn't work well that there is little impact Jan 12 15:05:26 ok right that is what i thought....so therefore python clocking up extra cpu over a similar c app should be noticable? Jan 12 15:05:30 zedstar: with screen off, and cpu slowing, it should get maybe 20 hours when on and working 'normally' Jan 12 15:05:58 imagine say processing xml data with python and say C on a handheld Jan 12 15:06:08 can have a querty fingerboard? Jan 12 15:06:20 zedstar: basically, neglecting the screen. Jan 12 15:06:30 yeh neglecting screen Jan 12 15:06:39 zedstar, you never will process xml with python - you will use bindings to C libs Jan 12 15:06:43 zedstar: the CPU and RAM and stuff use perhaps 5% of CPU/hour when 'running'. Jan 12 15:07:05 zedstar: 5% of batteryt Jan 12 15:07:22 josch, hi Jan 12 15:07:22 Bonjour Bonne année, bonne santé Jan 12 15:07:33 hi Sup3rkiddo Jan 12 15:07:36 ah so not a big amount for noticable improvements Jan 12 15:07:41 zedstar: at full speed, active, it needs perhaps 15%-20 of battery/hour. Jan 12 15:08:36 thanks speedevil Jan 12 15:08:47 zedstar: these are very rough ideas. Jan 12 15:09:00 be cool to see some papers on this stuff Jan 12 15:09:17 gotta go out now back in a bit.... Jan 12 15:09:26 zedstar: pay me to write some, and I will, otherwise I'll just do it slowly :) Jan 12 15:09:42 zedstar: It should go faster with debug board though. Jan 12 15:09:54 ahaha ill speak to u about it more in a bit Jan 12 15:16:21 mickeyl, did you also update the bb for python-efl? emdete seems to have some problems with it but he is not available right now Jan 12 15:17:53 i did s/DEPENDS/RDEPENDS/ Jan 12 15:18:05 that should automatically drag in the necessary efl packages now Jan 12 15:18:41 is bringing e to neo, straight forward? Jan 12 15:18:47 efl, yes Jan 12 15:18:49 e no Jan 12 15:19:08 hmm, okie dokie Jan 12 15:19:45 i mean, it runs Jan 12 15:19:56 but it's not customized for a smart phone Jan 12 15:20:18 ah, ok...yeah..i understand... Jan 12 15:20:48 e based smartphone GUI would have pwned Jan 12 15:21:01 twm! Jan 12 15:21:11 don't worry Jan 12 15:21:20 if all goes well, we will see a lot more EFL on the Neo soon Jan 12 15:21:27 yay..hi5 Jan 12 15:21:28 hrhr Jan 12 15:21:37 SpeedEvil, na..ratpoison Jan 12 15:22:05 I have run fvwm95, but only remotely Jan 12 15:23:21 cluttr based thing would look jeggjy too Jan 12 15:24:02 * Sup3rkiddo should stop ranting and start working on something productive ;) Jan 12 15:27:12 Matchbox desktop works well Jan 12 15:27:43 KrisAbsinthe, desktop? Jan 12 15:28:07 yeah, its available at the angstrom repo. Jan 12 15:28:43 /r/ screenshot of matchbox destop on scap Jan 12 15:29:23 my project has been to get the desktop enviroment working. I do have a scap on there but not sure if its still available its been a while. ill upload a new one Jan 12 15:30:04 KrisAbsinthe, thx!! Jan 12 15:30:23 np Jan 12 15:37:50 Damn it, forgot to shutdown the neo, now im in deep discharge. Jan 12 15:38:57 KrisAbsinthe, I suffer with you :-/ Jan 12 15:40:10 does anyone know if it is possible to build with moko makefile now, Jan 12 15:40:33 yeah...it is Jan 12 15:40:40 there has been a problem for about 8 days which prevents building the development image Jan 12 15:40:52 when did you last build? Jan 12 15:41:06 magellan, if its uboot, update your makefile Jan 12 15:41:13 yesterday Jan 12 15:41:17 great Jan 12 15:41:40 well I just did a make update-makefile and am now at make setup Jan 12 15:42:04 so hopefully things will go better this time Jan 12 15:42:10 thanks Jan 12 15:43:25 np..happy hacking Jan 12 16:37:07 yay, i can see some satellites in the nmea Jan 12 16:37:14 and not using the chroot to run gllin Jan 12 16:39:14 :) Jan 12 16:42:09 balrog-kun: statified? Jan 12 16:42:18 Made static. Jan 12 16:42:56 XorA|gone: nope, using a custom ELF loader (being created right now) Jan 12 16:43:18 balrog-kun: sweet Jan 12 16:43:51 it can already run most OABI-compiled programs but gllin is though Jan 12 16:44:04 there are C++ exceptions,a nd floating point stuff Jan 12 16:44:21 balrog-kun: oooh, now thats a feature Id love to get into Angstrom Jan 12 16:48:38 but it's a rather ugly hack, it won't ever be able to run 100% of the binaries Jan 12 17:04:36 yes!, first fix on my Neo Jan 12 17:05:00 yay, free beer to everyone Jan 12 17:05:16 now i know where i am :D Jan 12 17:07:51 congrats Jan 12 17:08:06 can we see the source? Jan 12 17:09:18 Vegar: http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/schwartz.git Jan 12 17:09:35 Sup3rkiddo: beer? gimigimigimi Jan 12 17:09:39 PYTHON-EFL ON THE NEO WORKS!!! :-D Jan 12 17:10:13 josch, screenshots or it doesnt exist Jan 12 17:10:47 Sup3rkiddo, screenshots say nothing - I need a cam to record the performance of the animations Jan 12 17:11:02 Vegar: i'll be updating it a couple times more tonight, so it may be too early to play with source now Jan 12 17:11:17 balrog-kun: I just wanted to look at it Jan 12 17:11:20 I don't even have a neo Jan 12 17:11:22 SMSs are 160 7 bit chars? Jan 12 17:11:42 How much data can I pack into this reliably? Jan 12 17:12:00 s/screenshots/videos/ Jan 12 17:12:00 Sup3rkiddo meant: josch, videos or it doesnt exist Jan 12 17:12:23 SpeedEvil: about 0.0000001 of your DNA sequence Jan 12 17:13:04 I mean - can I put in 140 or so bytes, and assume that it's binary clean? Jan 12 17:13:31 i never received a corrupt sms Jan 12 17:13:46 * SpeedEvil is pondering GPS tracking over SMS Jan 12 17:14:24 josch, tell me its loads faster than pygtk Jan 12 17:14:42 Sup3rkiddo, wait will test this Jan 12 17:14:52 ya..please do Jan 12 17:15:23 Sup3rkiddo, DEFINATELY!!! 3seks maximum! Jan 12 17:16:04 efl rocks upside down Jan 12 17:22:37 efl? Jan 12 17:22:50 I know you're talking about python, what is efl? Jan 12 17:23:27 summatusmentis, enligtenment foundation libraries Jan 12 17:23:52 oh, ok Jan 12 17:28:01 summatusmentis, they simply *rock* Jan 12 17:28:45 josch: I've heard people rave about them, not much of a programmer myself Jan 12 17:29:57 * josch raves too now Jan 12 17:30:54 openmoko: 03werner * r3818 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (console-ansi.patch uboot-s3c2410_fb.patch): (log message trimmed) Jan 12 17:30:54 openmoko: Upgrading to upstream version 3afac79ec27b91df185f090b31dad9620779f440 required Jan 12 17:30:54 openmoko: two simple changes. Jan 12 17:30:54 openmoko: uboot-s3c2410_fb.patch: Jan 12 17:30:54 openmoko: - drivers/video/Makefile: trivial patch breakage after upgrade to upstream Jan 12 17:30:58 openmoko: version 3afac79ec27b91df185f090b31dad9620779f440 Jan 12 17:31:00 openmoko: console-ansi.patch: Jan 12 18:08:45 just got a neo1973, trying to "make openmoko-devel-image" and got "no providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for [])" Jan 12 18:09:09 looking back in the log, I have an error checking out Jan 12 18:09:21 svn: Unable to find repository location for 'http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2' in revision 3542 Jan 12 18:09:21 Jan 12 18:09:27 but it is there! Jan 12 18:10:52 hexmode, did make update-makefile? Jan 12 18:11:10 well, I only got it last night, but will do Jan 12 18:12:19 it failed after update-makefile Jan 12 18:12:38 update-makefile succeeded, but the co failed Jan 12 18:13:01 * hexmode wonders if it is something to do with revision 3542 Jan 12 18:17:32 yeah, it is... manual co w/o revision works Jan 12 18:17:43 svn log shows only back to r3764 Jan 12 18:18:59 hexmode, hmm, the upstream uboot has been renamed to u-boot, but the makefile should pick that up if its the latest Jan 12 18:21:41 freeeeeeenode... giga guga guck Jan 12 18:22:28 uboot.... wroaaaaammmmm Jan 12 18:22:54 giga guga guck Jan 12 18:22:54 Sup3rkiddo: I think it'd work if I could just force a different revision on the .bb file. Is there a way to do that? Jan 12 18:23:05 yeah Jan 12 18:23:13 giga guga guck Jan 12 18:24:44 yeahhhhhhhhh Jan 12 18:29:39 hexmode, hmm, it builds fine here Jan 12 18:39:09 commenting out openmoko-terminal from the tasks file helped it limp along ;) Jan 12 18:41:03 :) Jan 12 18:49:39 hexmode: you can cp http://celtune.morb-design.com/openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.2.applications_3542_.tar.gz to sources Jan 12 18:50:01 ah, tyvm Jan 12 18:50:16 so it builds for me Jan 12 18:50:20 np :) Jan 12 19:12:51 Marcel_M: putting that .tar.gz in sources didn't help Jan 12 19:13:07 continuing with the commented out openmoko-terminal Jan 12 19:18:49 hmm sorry no idea (it worked for me and and some others) Jan 12 19:20:58 hexmode: did you try a "make rebuild-package-openmoko-terminal2" Jan 12 19:21:11 will try Jan 12 19:27:25 http://rafb.net/p/hwFe8523.html # What happens Jan 12 19:28:19 oh Jan 12 19:28:21 my bad Jan 12 19:28:22 nm Jan 12 19:33:09 hexmode: hmm http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m5b2a5fb8 Jan 12 19:33:21 did you rename your .bb ? Jan 12 19:34:21 yes, I'm an idiot. At least for that ;) Jan 12 19:35:06 :) Jan 12 19:35:38 actually, I deleted it :( Is there a way to refetch the file from a make target? Jan 12 19:36:12