**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 21 03:00:03 2008 Jan 21 04:21:12 Hey guys. Jan 21 04:21:48 I was wondering if there is a web page somewhere that describes what the latest patches might mean to a user. Jan 21 04:22:31 Not that I know of. Jan 21 04:36:30 SpeedEvil: Thanks for the info Jan 21 04:37:48 Does the GPS work yet? Jan 21 04:43:14 raynet: yes Jan 21 04:43:19 rayd: Jan 21 04:45:45 A more important question is whether calling works yet. Jan 21 04:47:09 Tronic: Last time I tried calling, it worked for me. Jan 21 04:47:24 The contacts stuff needed a lot of work though. Jan 21 06:31:43 How much free space should I have to build with MokoMakefile & INHERIT += "rM_work"? Jan 21 06:31:48 s/rM/rm/ Jan 21 06:31:48 jorgenpt meant: How much free space should I have to build with MokoMakefile & INHERIT += "rm_work"? Jan 21 07:42:05 I have a question concerning the FreeRunner and Qtopia. Jan 21 07:42:15 So say I want QTopia. Jan 21 07:42:24 But I don't want to lose the OpenMoko GUI. Jan 21 07:42:29 Can I have both? Jan 21 07:45:00 nup Jan 21 07:45:06 well u can have both installed Jan 21 07:45:14 u'll have to shut down down entirely and start the other Jan 21 07:45:25 Well that's what I'm asking. Jan 21 07:45:27 and that will be by hand cmd-line wise Jan 21 07:45:38 u wont be able to mix and match apps from one to the other Jan 21 07:45:45 Like, if you have KDE and GNOME on your computer Jan 21 07:45:57 note - qtopia at this stage will be horrendously slow on the gta02 Jan 21 07:46:01 (freerunner) Jan 21 07:46:06 Oh. Jan 21 07:46:11 kde and gnome can mix and match Jan 21 07:46:21 Well just as an example Jan 21 07:46:24 qtopia does not run under x Jan 21 07:46:28 you can exit and then select another? Jan 21 07:46:29 it has its own windowing system Jan 21 07:46:44 right, this is just an example... Jan 21 07:46:45 once u exit you have no gui Jan 21 07:46:55 so u'd have to fin d a way of selecting without one Jan 21 07:47:18 hm... Jan 21 07:47:28 somebody will come up with something i'm sure... Jan 21 07:47:37 you can run both simultaneous Jan 21 07:47:55 XorA: u'd need a way to flip vt's Jan 21 07:47:59 ie chvt Jan 21 07:48:08 raster: yes, but thats old skewl Jan 21 07:48:17 raster: we been doing that for years to run both Jan 21 07:48:36 also that would assume that xglamo and qtopia NICELY give up the glamo chip between vt loss/gain Jan 21 07:48:36 :) Jan 21 07:48:53 right now there are no qtopia drivers Jan 21 07:48:53 only problen is I bet things like gsmd dont play nice with two listeners :-) Jan 21 07:49:00 and it will be hella-slow without them Jan 21 07:49:09 yeah - that might not work well Jan 21 07:49:16 Okay, you scared me away from the idea. Jan 21 07:49:37 I'll just stick with OpenMoko Jan 21 07:49:47 so does OpenMoko come with a lot of ringtones? Jan 21 07:49:54 t00na: trolltech are going to work on them Jan 21 07:50:00 they just arent started yet Jan 21 07:50:05 HAHHAHAHA Jan 21 07:50:07 ringtones Jan 21 07:50:08 hahahah Jan 21 07:50:09 hehehe Jan 21 07:50:17 i wish we were in a position to care about that Jan 21 07:50:35 ...so that's a no? Jan 21 07:50:47 Does it come with at least one sort of subtle not-annoying one? Jan 21 07:50:48 that's a no. Jan 21 07:50:53 no idea Jan 21 07:50:58 does it ring if someone calls you? Jan 21 07:51:02 it gors ring ring Jan 21 07:51:04 that's proibably a better question Jan 21 07:51:06 :) Jan 21 07:51:14 and will it ring the 2nd time they call u Jan 21 07:51:18 and will answering work Jan 21 07:51:20 :) Jan 21 07:51:25 i.e. Jan 21 07:51:31 forget ring tones Jan 21 07:51:37 if it goes beep and answers i'm a happy man Jan 21 07:51:44 in the end its software Jan 21 07:51:48 if we can play a beep Jan 21 07:51:48 does it have vibrate? Jan 21 07:51:52 we can play any audio file Jan 21 07:52:06 put any audio file(s) you like on it and use them for tones Jan 21 07:52:11 yes - its got it Jan 21 07:52:42 And it is at the point where you can send/receive calls and text? Jan 21 07:52:58 kind of Jan 21 07:53:37 'kind of'? Jan 21 07:53:57 well i am told it works Jan 21 07:54:05 last time i actually tested i could call- but not hang up Jan 21 07:54:31 my mokes mostly are in a state of covers off, batteries only plugged in when i'm hacking and plugged into usb Jan 21 07:54:34 i dont use them as a phone Jan 21 07:54:51 i havent put on a latest build image yet Jan 21 07:54:56 i should do that Jan 21 07:55:06 well i'm going to get the FreeRunner. Jan 21 07:55:20 How hard is it to put the latest build on it? Jan 21 07:55:42 easy Jan 21 07:55:46 plug into usb Jan 21 07:55:49 use dfu-util Jan 21 07:56:15 oh, cool. Jan 21 07:56:54 we have other biger problems still Jan 21 07:56:57 like suspend/resume Jan 21 07:57:04 the freerunner cant suspend and resume yet Jan 21 07:58:02 i know Jan 21 07:58:22 But by the time power management is perfected, FreeRunner comes out Jan 21 07:58:23 ? Jan 21 07:58:29 Correct? Jan 21 07:59:29 The software will likely not be completed by the time the hardware is available. Jan 21 07:59:57 I thought those were hardware issues... Jan 21 08:00:13 power managment is basically mostly software Jan 21 08:00:29 there are maybe 6 software controlled power switches Jan 21 08:00:40 Oh. Jan 21 08:00:44 the hard part is determining in what order and when to throw these switches Jan 21 08:01:01 and dealing with it being transparent to users and programs Jan 21 08:01:07 this is all horribly involvesd Jan 21 08:01:33 aye Jan 21 08:01:39 Well how long does the charge last? Jan 21 08:01:40 thats just that Jan 21 08:01:52 then suspend/resume means everyone cleanly shuts down and re-inits their devices Jan 21 08:02:07 Xglamo (userspace) driver included Jan 21 08:02:21 How long depends on software implementation of PM Jan 21 08:02:29 No PM - maybe 4 hours Jan 21 08:02:44 Proper implementation of suspend-RAM - maybe a week Jan 21 08:02:59 (if changes to GSM code pan out to reduce power) Jan 21 08:03:13 if not at least a day or 2 Jan 21 08:03:16 whihc isnt too bad Jan 21 08:03:23 Yeah, that's good. Jan 21 08:03:27 but suspend is crucial to it being a suable day to day phone Jan 21 08:03:32 usable Jan 21 08:03:47 of course if u sit playing movies on it all the time it'll run out of juice fast Jan 21 08:03:48 So when could I expect this to be done? Jan 21 08:03:52 so will every phone Jan 21 08:03:57 dunno Jan 21 08:04:05 I don't play movies much on anything I own... Jan 21 08:04:13 t00na: At the very best - some months. Jan 21 08:04:41 t00na: What the value of some is is debatable. 2 or 9 is not impossible. Jan 21 08:06:00 Well as long as I can place/receive calls and text, and expect my phone to have some juice by the end of the day (provided I turn it off), then it will work for me. Jan 21 08:08:05 okie dokie Jan 21 08:08:06 I would definitely keep my phone put away during school hours, I don't want to lose it to a teacher. Jan 21 08:08:07 latest flash Jan 21 08:08:34 I certainly don't want to be letting people see it. Jan 21 08:08:41 At least, not the people at my school. Jan 21 08:09:09 "Hey can I see your phone?" *fetal position, teeth-bearing growl* Jan 21 08:09:39 hahaha Jan 21 08:09:45 why not? Jan 21 08:10:15 Because I've been saving up for months for this phone and I'm not going to lose it! Jan 21 08:10:40 ooooh Jan 21 08:10:41 ok Jan 21 08:10:47 fair enough Jan 21 08:10:48 note Jan 21 08:10:53 the software WILL improve over time Jan 21 08:10:57 its a matter of ... how much time. Jan 21 08:10:59 good morning Jan 21 08:11:03 it will probably be my god for a couple weeks, then one of my idols Jan 21 08:11:13 then it will just be a valuable phone. Jan 21 08:11:22 raster: I know. Jan 21 08:12:41 well it's bed time for me. Jan 21 08:12:42 g'night Jan 21 08:27:25 oooh Jan 21 08:27:28 it made a phone call Jan 21 08:27:33 and even hung up Jan 21 08:27:42 yay :) Jan 21 08:28:52 sahem the ui si so slow that it takes 4 seconds just to pop up a dialler Jan 21 08:29:46 that is indeed unfortunate Jan 21 08:29:52 what's it spending that time doing? Jan 21 08:30:09 exec() Jan 21 08:30:11 ld.so Jan 21 08:30:15 god knows what else Jan 21 08:30:39 also the icons in the ui are uttgerly obscure Jan 21 08:30:45 is that because it's on 02, or is it that slow on 01 as well right now? Jan 21 08:30:48 u have to take a guess as to what to press to hang up Jan 21 08:30:53 or whatever Jan 21 08:30:58 this is an 01 Jan 21 08:31:03 i didnt even try my 02 Jan 21 08:31:18 raster: so OM needs some TLC from a mobility UI and gfx designer ;) Jan 21 08:31:49 it needs an overhaul Jan 21 08:31:51 also, most other handsets keep things like the dialer in the background Jan 21 08:31:55 exec()ing a dialller is wrong Jan 21 08:32:01 it should be there and ready to go Jan 21 08:32:06 yup Jan 21 08:32:18 pphonebook, sms, dialler etc. Jan 21 08:32:55 it's funny doing a pkill on the dialer on the P910 though :D Jan 21 08:33:02 it's completely unable to function Jan 21 08:33:17 the dialler is like the whole ui? Jan 21 08:34:21 no, but I think it provides a few background services Jan 21 08:34:30 aah Jan 21 08:37:18 raster: I demand a gta02 now Jan 21 08:37:31 unknown_lamer: yo momma Jan 21 08:37:34 raster: my four year old nokia 7610 is damn near dead Jan 21 08:37:39 :) Jan 21 08:37:45 raster: I will blame you if it dies before I get my gta02 :-( Jan 21 08:37:54 I can't even sms anyone my star key broke Jan 21 08:38:01 my gta02 isnt even out of the womb yet Jan 21 08:38:15 it matters not don;t make me stab you Jan 21 08:38:17 so not sure what u'd want with one that cant even breathe Jan 21 08:38:22 :) Jan 21 08:39:05 my damn 7610 is worse than something that can't breathe :-( Jan 21 08:42:04 nokia betrayed me with false promises of ease of programmability Jan 21 08:42:11 curse you ancient ass retarded as fuck epoc api Jan 21 08:42:23 "displaying a widget should take 500 lines of code this is natural!" Jan 21 08:42:25 haahaahhaaha Jan 21 08:42:48 I suppose being saddled with a series60 phone is what I get for not reading the sdk docs *before* buying the phone Jan 21 09:08:48 hmmm Jan 21 09:08:56 "Hey, lets make all phones suck, and break after two years! Then we will make more money than ever before!" Jan 21 09:10:14 does the neo run windows mobile? Jan 21 09:10:41 yes! [1] Jan 21 09:10:43 they said a long time ago that it could Jan 21 09:10:47 1: No. Jan 21 09:10:54 does power management work in it? Jan 21 09:10:58 haha Jan 21 09:11:11 i don't personally want to run it Jan 21 09:11:44 but if gta01 has decent battery life in windows ... i might get one Jan 21 09:11:52 smlsfb: microsoft is watching moko and secretly prepairing WM for it Jan 21 09:12:44 afaik neo was suposed to run wm, but some deal broke and they thougt "hey, lets make an open phone!" Jan 21 09:13:03 that's fair Jan 21 09:30:23 the SSL certificate is expired on http://direct.openmoko.com Jan 21 09:38:37 smlsfb: power management is a hardware problem Jan 21 09:39:16 ljp, :( Jan 21 09:39:29 i'm hoping only on gta01, and not 02? Jan 21 09:40:20 I've yet to see others than ljp say so Jan 21 09:42:39 that's fair. i'm still working out who in the channel is authorative Jan 21 09:43:01 * raster points at the cactus Jan 21 09:43:30 raster, heh, do you sleep? Jan 21 09:43:46 only when u turn me off Jan 21 09:44:50 so .. not much in the last 156 days, eh? Jan 21 09:44:51 :) Jan 21 09:45:01 ahahahah Jan 21 09:45:45 did my uptime show in the channel? Jan 21 09:46:12 nup Jan 21 09:46:40 then what's the point of /exec? Jan 21 09:47:09 it only displays locally Jan 21 09:47:52 04:48:00 up 156 days, 20:16, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Jan 21 09:47:56 there we go Jan 21 09:47:58 Thou art a dissembling, fen-sucked, bladder. Jan 21 09:48:02 Thou art a burly-boned, common-kissing, harpy. Jan 21 09:48:17 yers Jan 21 09:48:20 you found the -o Jan 21 09:48:21 :) Jan 21 09:48:30 :) Jan 21 09:48:38 haven't used irc in a few years Jan 21 09:48:48 just got a night job :D Jan 21 09:49:28 power management is both hardware and software issue Jan 21 10:00:19 heh, shakespeare insults Jan 21 10:02:36 Can anyone guesstimate the required space for a MokoMakefile compile with inherit rm_work? Jan 21 10:03:55 its 4.1G when finished Jan 21 10:04:00 probably twice that when working Jan 21 10:04:13 not including source downloads Jan 21 10:09:23 jorgenpt: 15g or so Jan 21 10:09:46 o.0 Jan 21 10:09:53 /dev/sda4 29G 24G 4.1G 86% / Jan 21 10:09:55 Bummer. Jan 21 10:09:57 as XorA said - and more while working Jan 21 10:10:11 oh wait Jan 21 10:10:15 thats without rm_work Jan 21 10:10:17 15g Jan 21 10:10:22 with - i think 6 or 7 Jan 21 10:10:30 okay Jan 21 10:10:38 What're the benefits of not using rm_work? Jan 21 10:10:44 speed Jan 21 10:10:45 i have found several packages dont build when u use rm_work Jan 21 10:10:48 so i stopped doing it Jan 21 10:11:13 raster: well log bugs then rather than ignore the problem Jan 21 10:11:52 XorA: i sunk days into cleans, builds, rebuilds, tyring to figure out why things broke Jan 21 10:12:02 eventually i happeend to turn off rm_work and problems went away Jan 21 10:12:14 raster: and again, the bugs are only you Jan 21 10:12:19 * XorA bans raster from building Jan 21 10:12:33 cool Jan 21 10:12:42 i can earn monewy and do nothing Jan 21 10:12:44 yay Jan 21 10:21:52 raster: there were some packages that had problems with rm_work, but all the ones that nslu2-linux and the MokoMakefile builds have been fixed months ago. Jan 21 10:24:16 i was having problems even in december Jan 21 10:24:39 they were bitch hard to hunt down and sucked up a lot of time Jan 21 10:27:13 raster: the ones I found where about the ordering of custom tasks that people had added to the .bb files (i.e. some were done too early or too late compared to rm_work) Jan 21 10:27:58 rwhitby: i dont remember what they were :) Jan 21 10:28:08 ijust found my solution and ran with it Jan 21 10:28:14 cool Jan 21 10:28:34 a lot of things forme tho have transitory erros Jan 21 10:28:39 autoconf almost aluways doesnt build first go Jan 21 10:28:42 (well, not real cool - a bug report would have been cooler ;-) Jan 21 10:28:48 i need to just build again for it to work Jan 21 10:29:00 i dont like filing vague bug reports Jan 21 10:29:24 unless i can narrow it down specifically to somethign u can directly do something about Jan 21 10:29:30 i tend not to file anything "officially" Jan 21 10:42:46 openmoko: 03chris * r3892 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (. ChangeLog): Update taku to r1898, should fix bug #927 Jan 21 10:43:47 openmoko: 03chris * r3893 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Don't mess up svn:externals... Jan 21 10:49:09 hi Jan 21 10:50:21 hmm Jan 21 10:50:26 i'm beginning to hate my moko dir Jan 21 10:50:33 742343 files to consider Jan 21 10:51:16 many lots more? Jan 21 10:54:01 raster: that's less than a million files. Isn't that many ;-) Jan 21 11:01:13 hi Jan 21 11:02:58 cesarb: thats more than half a million Jan 21 11:03:06 cesarb: its 742k Jan 21 11:28:15 openmoko: 03werner * r3894 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-bt-fixes.patch: Jan 21 11:28:15 openmoko: gta02-bt-fixes.patch: removed addition of pcf50633_ena_voltage, since it's Jan 21 11:28:15 openmoko: identical to pcf50633_onoff_set. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 21 12:54:47 2008 Jan 21 12:59:13 hm. Jan 21 13:02:54 Erin, You suggest me how to update GSM patches on to device, I face some problem there need your help. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 21 13:23:39 2008 Jan 21 13:53:59 ##'xcknxklv Jan 21 13:58:17 if it weren't for the k, i'd think it was a roman numeral Jan 21 14:00:45 openmoko: 03werner * r3897 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: Jan 21 14:00:45 openmoko: Added the GTA02v5 architecture, and cleaned up burgeoning lists of Jan 21 14:00:45 openmoko: defined(CONFIG_ARCH_GTA02_vx) by introducing macro CONFIG_GTA02_REVISION Jan 21 14:00:45 openmoko: containing the revision number. Jan 21 14:03:04 fuzzy roman numeral ;) Jan 21 14:03:59 quite fuzzy, there're not 'n's either :) Jan 21 14:07:39 openmoko: 03chris * r3898 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-memory/Makefile.am: Add missing Makefile.am Jan 21 14:37:02 anyone got an iphone and tried the location/triangulation update? Jan 21 14:37:17 * FuzzyCat giggles Jan 21 14:38:01 the office guru has one Jan 21 14:38:49 it did not impress me Jan 21 14:38:50 and how does it work say on 02 in the UK.....apple did a deal with them only to give out the location info to their devices? Jan 21 14:39:17 I didn't think it worked outside the us ... I might be wrong though Jan 21 14:39:29 from what ive just been reading it works in the UK Jan 21 14:39:38 k, got a link... Jan 21 14:39:52 i want access to that triangulation info!!!! Jan 21 14:40:25 the cell-towers know where they are? Jan 21 14:41:12 well in interested to know how the network knows it is an iphone etc and how it asks for this info Jan 21 14:41:23 and where does the response come from Jan 21 14:41:41 is there a protocol to be hacked for this Jan 21 14:41:48 mmm... Jan 21 14:42:11 triangulation is not great but still would be nice if we could all get this info Jan 21 14:42:19 if you could get that info, then you could have a central db and track anyone based on the towers... Jan 21 14:42:37 methinks it might be pretty welll protected Jan 21 14:42:39 but the iphone gets it to plot on the map Jan 21 14:43:11 the iphone gets it or is it told 'in theis approximate location; Jan 21 14:43:13 FuzzyCat: dont they have that already? Jan 21 14:43:30 the ultimate db of everyone Jan 21 14:43:33 ie, does the iphone do it or does it just say 'where am i' and get a responce Jan 21 14:43:46 s/c/s Jan 21 14:43:56 i think also it can do wifi lookup Jan 21 14:44:03 what the bollocks Jan 21 14:44:03 I'd certaintly hope it was the former.... Jan 21 14:44:03 yes it does Jan 21 14:44:08 which is not so handy...i would like the triangulation info Jan 21 14:44:10 the mic doesnt pick up at all. Jan 21 14:44:15 yes it does what? Jan 21 14:44:20 which one N-Mi Jan 21 14:44:29 for the gsm part I don't know, but for wifi I've been told how it works Jan 21 14:45:06 hopefully the ipaddress isn't involved Jan 21 14:45:22 be interesting to see if apple add a function call in their api when it comes out to ask for coordinates Jan 21 14:45:58 whatever it is it's a poor alternative to gps Jan 21 14:46:08 sure but still handy for some stuff Jan 21 14:46:16 indoor use etc Jan 21 14:46:26 and when u dont need exact position Jan 21 14:46:33 there are cars with wifi card and GPS that travel in all streets of big towns, recording all MAC address of access points detected and GPS coords associated Jan 21 14:46:52 yeh M-Mi ive done that with kismet Jan 21 14:47:05 so it's going to be useless outside large cities... Jan 21 14:47:05 wigle etc store lot of that info Jan 21 14:47:10 yeh Jan 21 14:47:17 GTA02 can do that all in one device :-D Jan 21 14:47:22 and even totaly wrong when other people change the infrastructure Jan 21 14:47:26 so the iPhone just detect an access point, and ask by gsm where it is Jan 21 14:47:37 triangulation is a bit of a network dependent mystery to me Jan 21 14:48:00 there's a db floating about with cell tower id's avaialbel Jan 21 14:48:03 available Jan 21 14:48:37 i presume this is what they do fuzzycat Jan 21 14:49:07 http://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx Jan 21 14:50:24 rwhitby: Doesn't mokomakefile work with monotone 0.24? Jan 21 14:50:29 monotone: error: database schema 629da44000ed5d20e2fe6b4d3abc06bc06a91362 is unknown; cannot perform migration Jan 21 14:50:56 so i wonder if the coordinates supplied back to the iphone are coming from a db lookup on apples servers or they are coming directly from some proprietary protocol at the gsm provider Jan 21 14:51:41 need to get hold of an iphone and tcpdump data when booting that maps app Jan 21 14:53:54 openmoko: 03chris * r3899 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): Jan 21 14:53:54 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (moko_sms_class_init): Jan 21 14:53:54 openmoko: Register custom marshaller for MemoryFull signal Jan 21 15:11:30 well, in the first instance you can use the cell provider country code zedstar .... Jan 21 15:11:41 then narrow down from there Jan 21 15:12:50 yeh sure..can get unique key but then need the coordinates :) Jan 21 15:13:31 from what i can work out reading apple is using some DB and not getting the info from the gsm provider Jan 21 15:14:37 seems they just do a db lookup on the cell info Jan 21 15:15:11 but how they got this db and where is it would be interesting Jan 21 15:16:57 there's an online one.. I had the ur for it last year when this came up then Jan 21 15:23:25 so getting cell info from out Neo's is trivial....... if some open db for the lookup to coordinates that wud be cool Jan 21 15:24:26 yeah... trying to find it still - google isn't helping Jan 21 15:27:24 zedstar: getting all adjacent cells is pretty trivial. Jan 21 15:28:57 but how can we map to coordinates without some db Jan 21 15:29:23 and how is apple doing it in their latest firmware update on the iphone for example Jan 21 15:30:04 You probably can't legally rip out the database they are using Jan 21 15:30:55 im wondering though this new google map app....probably does some lookup over tcp by supplying cell info and wifi mac addresses Jan 21 15:31:11 to some server which returns coordinates to the app Jan 21 15:31:50 can get tcpdump running on a cracked iphone but then u cant run the latest firmware with this app....bit of a chicken and egg Jan 21 15:32:34 that info is copyrighted in the UK - iirc it's under crown copyright Jan 21 15:32:49 the mast/location info that is Jan 21 15:33:08 ive seen site in uk to show on map cell towers position...by law they have to do this Jan 21 15:33:20 but doesnt give coordinates Jan 21 15:33:38 sure they do - but you'll also see there's no API to use it ;) Jan 21 15:34:01 http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ Jan 21 15:34:20 anyone got an ipod touch... apparently this will do a location lookup with wifi mac addresses in the new map app Jan 21 15:34:35 Ooo, interesting info on that site's homepage Jan 21 15:34:55 ... so the info is _already_ out of date and isn't being updated Jan 21 15:35:02 ah yeh steph thats the one i looked at before Jan 21 15:35:43 matter of time before we get access to this i think Jan 21 15:36:40 wouldnt surprise me if apple uses one or more of the homebrew projects to log coordinates Jan 21 15:39:13 that's so retarded... Jan 21 15:39:23 ofcom should have that info Jan 21 15:39:30 and should publish it Jan 21 15:39:32 in full Jan 21 15:39:38 yeh Jan 21 15:40:42 controlling that information is taking the piss Jan 21 15:41:54 and it seems big organisations like apple have got access to it by paying x amount of dollars probably to network operators who do have it? Jan 21 15:43:42 actually they probably insisted on it as part of the deal with the carrier Jan 21 15:43:59 give us all your cell info or we find a carrier who will Jan 21 15:44:28 yeh i bet..... Apple: hello O2 can we have your database of cell tower to coordinate info please? O2: sure boss Jan 21 15:45:17 wtf is geowanking ? Jan 21 15:45:40 you would think though we would have a right to know the exact details of how we are being located on O2 using say an apple phone....there must be a law for that Jan 21 15:46:05 lol geowanking yeh Jan 21 15:50:10 openmoko: 03werner * r3900 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (gta02-splash.patch series): (log message trimmed) Jan 21 15:50:10 openmoko: uboot-framebuffer-lcm-splash.patch: Jan 21 15:50:10 openmoko: Add framebuffer and lcm support for GTA-02 to provide splash Jan 21 15:50:10 openmoko: Quick and dirty patch broadside-loads the Glamo registers Jan 21 15:50:10 openmoko: and changes the LCM SPI bitbang to go through the Glamo GPIO. Jan 21 15:50:14 openmoko: From power-on there is 3.5s of dark screen and then the Jan 21 15:50:16 openmoko: splash display is shown, which remains until Linux takes over. Jan 21 15:52:08 heya~ Jan 21 15:53:16 openmoko: 03chris * r3901 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): Jan 21 15:53:16 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (memory_check_idle): Jan 21 15:53:16 openmoko: Removing free file handles check for now Jan 21 15:56:36 hi 2 all Jan 21 16:00:03 heya~ Jan 21 16:04:54 openmoko: 03chris * r3902 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Jan 21 16:04:54 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms-dbus.xml: Jan 21 16:04:54 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms-marshal.list: Jan 21 16:04:54 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (moko_sms_class_init), (on_error), Jan 21 16:04:54 openmoko: (memory_check_idle): Jan 21 16:04:56 openmoko: Separate MemoryFull signal into separate phone and sim memory signals, Jan 21 16:05:00 openmoko: to avoid custom marshaller and ease client-side usage Jan 21 16:09:15 openmoko: 03chris * r3903 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-memory/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-memory.c): Jan 21 16:09:15 openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-memory.c: (update), (sim_full_cb), Jan 21 16:09:15 openmoko: (phone_full_cb), (mb_panel_applet_create): Jan 21 16:09:15 openmoko: Update to match new dbus API Jan 21 16:25:53 hi Jan 21 16:26:24 hallo Jan 21 18:08:07 OT: Life 2.0 Jan 21 18:08:12 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36azw_life-20_creation Jan 21 18:15:06 zilux: Cool Jan 21 18:15:15 :-)) Jan 21 18:15:38 just wonder if an enriched reality based Jan 21 18:15:40 mickeyl: Take a look at the video link posted above. Looks like something for you :) Jan 21 18:15:49 on audio, would not be more bearable... Jan 21 18:16:12 I'm not so sure.. Jan 21 18:16:23 not very far from today Jan 21 18:16:28 I guess a mix of all kinds of senses would be best Jan 21 18:17:07 Like people experimenting with strong magnets implanted in fingertips and such Jan 21 18:19:05 ^^ Jan 21 18:19:57 CM, heh Jan 21 18:19:59 sick Jan 21 18:20:03 but inevitable Jan 21 18:20:07 *nod* Jan 21 18:20:37 Heh, I'd like a wikipedia link hoveing over everything new, and a map overlay in the corner.. ;) Jan 21 18:21:27 heheh Jan 21 18:21:30 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36azw_life-20_creation Jan 21 18:21:51 that vide was fine, ntil it got to the end Jan 21 18:23:53 stupit adobe Jan 21 18:24:12 swfdec played it :) Jan 21 18:24:16 But I agree.. Jan 21 18:25:11 it while by what 3 4 years since is 64-bit arch. Day don't know that ! Jan 21 18:25:44 yoyo: I'm on 64-bit too Jan 21 18:26:38 wont mplayer do it ? Jan 21 18:26:51 I didn't try, but probably Jan 21 18:26:56 CM: you have swf "syf - in PL" player prayer :P Jan 21 18:28:49 http://fosswire.com/2008/01/13/simcity-classic-gpled-called-micropolis/ Jan 21 18:29:34 download http://www.donhopkins.com/home/micropolis/ Jan 21 18:30:51 * CM flashes a newly build om image for the first time in a month Jan 21 18:34:21 Hi all Jan 21 18:35:52 Just read Mickey mail regarding userland boot time Jan 21 18:36:56 np: Bob The Builder - Can We Fix It! Jan 21 18:37:18 where should i post the reply i mean where's the discussion thread ? Jan 21 18:37:20 np Atom and his Package - Hats of to Halford Jan 21 18:37:32 xpgs: What's your question? Jan 21 18:37:50 xpgs: Normally you should mail a reply to the mailinglist Jan 21 18:37:53 :) Jan 21 18:38:34 * CM proclaims Atom and his Package is the best one-man-band of all time :D Jan 21 18:38:45 new images are broken CM Jan 21 18:38:51 CM, atom and his package - i am downright amazed at what i can destroy with just a hammer Jan 21 18:38:55 well, sort of... Jan 21 18:39:03 smlsfb: :D Jan 21 18:39:05 everything seems to work, except audio Jan 21 18:39:08 Thax for ur reply CM following is Mickey's mail Jan 21 18:39:10 FuzzyCat: Ah, ok Jan 21 18:39:11 FYI, I just launched the discussion about how to improve userland boot Jan 21 18:39:11 time on distro-devel. Please participate there. Jan 21 18:39:24 :) Jan 21 18:39:36 No Jan 21 18:39:40 * SpeedEvil doesn't read it. Jan 21 18:42:09 FuzzyCat: a few weeks ago, issue with a missing module: /lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/sound/soc/snd-soc-core.ko Jan 21 18:43:40 hi, can one brick the neo when flashing a new image? Jan 21 18:44:04 coptix: Only if you flash a bad u-boot, or flash something to the wrong place Jan 21 18:44:06 not if you do it correctly... if you accidentally flash over the u-boot you could brick it... Jan 21 18:45:36 Or if you accidentally "nand erase" instead of "nand erase rootfs" Jan 21 18:45:43 does one have to flash or fiddle with u-boot? Jan 21 18:46:20 Not unless you see some must-have fix in the u-boot Jan 21 18:46:46 If you don't have a debug board, I think it's generally recommended not to flash u-boot Jan 21 18:47:27 just asking whether to get gta02 with or without debugboard.. if it ever comes out ;) Jan 21 18:47:46 If you do see a fix you must have in u-boot, make extra sure your battery is fully charged, you know someone has flashed that uboot and not bricked their neo, and ideally you're on a UPS Jan 21 18:48:11 Oh, 02 is a different deal, I think Jan 21 18:48:28 My understanding is that they're going to put in a "back up" system to let you recover from a bricking Jan 21 18:48:43 So you can get the device up enough to reflash u-boot w/o a debug board Jan 21 18:48:45 I've played around with the iPhone (yes..) and there you can even unplug the cable while flashing a new fw and stell restore it Jan 21 18:49:25 02 it's impossible to brick it unless you have the debug board Jan 21 18:49:25 ^^ yeah thats what I've been wondering - considering the neo will have much more fw-images to play around with Jan 21 18:49:44 that sounds great - was just worried :) Jan 21 18:51:17 yo folks Jan 21 18:51:22 hows things going? Jan 21 18:51:53 feet down, arms up, head firmy in place, balls in the sack, tyvm. you? Jan 21 18:52:02 *firmly Jan 21 18:52:04 ditto Jan 21 18:52:11 sitting down for a little openmoko hacking... Jan 21 18:52:27 zilux, still an issue? Jan 21 18:52:50 torpor: excellent, this is the first time in _weeks_ i've had the time to do it Jan 21 18:52:56 anyone know if there's a new release of settingsgui around? Jan 21 18:53:04 xcasex: likewise, i've been quite busy with the new job too .. Jan 21 18:54:20 * CM is in the same situation Jan 21 18:54:28 new job cm? Jan 21 18:54:53 where? i'm working for THALES now, doing gigabit ethernet drivers for the tolapai processor .. for train systems! choo-ch00! Jan 21 18:55:19 hrrrm Jan 21 18:55:20 CM: you're just not trustworthy with regards to meetups :p Jan 21 18:55:25 torpor: As a consultant, HiQ Jan 21 18:55:29 lots of errors with those modules :/ Jan 21 18:55:29 xcasex: :P Jan 21 18:56:00 CM: see, i tried to get a hold of you, even got the phone no. but then i figured it would be too stalker-esque to call you up :p Jan 21 18:56:05 i mean, we're not all like zash_ Jan 21 18:56:09 a phone without audio is like a Swede without a Volvo... Jan 21 18:56:16 FuzzyCat: INDEED Jan 21 18:56:29 * xcasex is actually picking up his new car tomorrow Jan 21 18:56:48 * FuzzyCat installed an imiv last week Jan 21 18:57:53 xcasex: what did you buy? Jan 21 18:58:10 ewon: volvo v70 anno 2002 Jan 21 18:58:21 what else is there ;D Jan 21 18:58:24 * FuzzyCat hugs S80 Jan 21 18:58:38 yeah my gf has kids, so no sportscar. Jan 21 18:58:56 s80 isn't a sports car Jan 21 18:59:07 here it is. Jan 21 18:59:11 lol Jan 21 18:59:14 feck me... Jan 21 18:59:32 it's a 4 door saloon.. the S version of the v70 Jan 21 19:01:02 but if you need the space for carrying stuff, the V70 is much better... Jan 21 19:01:11 s80 doesn;t have much :( Jan 21 19:01:56 indeed Jan 21 19:02:08 i'm actually going to mod an xbox w. xbmc into it :> Jan 21 19:02:14 xcasex: Hehe Jan 21 19:02:23 does it have nav screen? Jan 21 19:02:33 FuzzyCat: nope. Jan 21 19:03:21 imiv + ipod + external screens + xbox = perfect solution Jan 21 19:03:39 hmm .. pandora .. Jan 21 19:03:43 http://www.openpandora.org/ Jan 21 19:03:46 wanT! Jan 21 19:03:58 does it have the phone fitted? Jan 21 19:04:23 What's the battery time? Jan 21 19:04:30 if not, then you can get headrests with screens built in the back... Jan 21 19:05:31 is it just me or does that site contain no information at all ? Jan 21 19:05:44 Looks like they just started on it Jan 21 19:05:47 try this one then: Jan 21 19:05:47 http://pandora.bluwiki.org/ Jan 21 19:05:57 so, is anyone actually looking at the broken audio issue ? Jan 21 19:06:09 that's better torpor :) Jan 21 19:06:26 whats broken in audio? Jan 21 19:06:32 haven't been paying attention. Jan 21 19:06:59 errm, everything Jan 21 19:07:04 it doesn;t work Jan 21 19:07:28 you think they'll accept design suggestions for that pandora jobbie? Jan 21 19:08:04 * xcasex blames raster for the broken audio, sounds like his m.o Jan 21 19:08:08 I was thinking, if we could get them to make it slightly uglier than it is.. if that's possible Jan 21 19:08:31 FuzzyCat: its not ugly! Jan 21 19:09:03 wow now the network is odd. Jan 21 19:09:54 The Pandora is pretty pimp-looking, but definitely looks like a niche product as well. I want a FreeRunner. :-) Jan 21 19:10:03 * zash_ blames the odd network Jan 21 19:10:07 i want both. Jan 21 19:10:55 http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades Jan 21 19:11:56 Is there one to add a full-height 5.25" SCSI drive? Jan 21 19:12:05 lol Jan 21 19:14:43 you know. modding xboxes are fun Jan 21 19:14:53 cheap hardware, oversized etc. Jan 21 19:15:09 i have two ssd 2,5" disks over for a xbox project. Jan 21 19:15:22 so i'm going to try to miniaturize the form factor. Jan 21 19:16:26 xcasex: Ah, fun fun :) Jan 21 19:17:20 Very Jan 21 19:17:43 when i get the other two xboxes i bought over tradera.se i'll be trying my hand at upgrading the cpu and piggybacking more ram Jan 21 19:21:58 so nobody is using settingsgui? Jan 21 19:22:04 nope Jan 21 19:22:09 didnt know about it Jan 21 19:23:23 so. sound. anyone working on it? bugs filed? Jan 21 19:30:07 Heh, just got my automatic reply after being forced to register to download their java crap. Mail starts with: "Dear Mr. Sun SucksForDemandingReg," ;) Jan 21 19:33:41 lol Jan 21 19:34:20 I often get emails from 'those_nosey_cunts_at_apple' Jan 21 19:34:48 I suppose they don;t filter appleId;s Jan 21 19:35:06 My gf has an ipod, so she has itunes on her crappy pc. They demand your creditcard number to show album art!! Jan 21 19:35:23 Well, they do show embedded art, but still. How sucky is that. Jan 21 19:35:41 yeah, I know... Jan 21 19:35:55 it's wank Jan 21 19:36:05 especially as they often get the artwork wrong Jan 21 19:36:55 c, on Jan 21 19:38:19 fuck this shit: Jan 21 19:38:19 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libepsilon0: Jan 21 19:38:33 COBOL? Jan 21 19:38:33 Problem building? Jan 21 19:38:51 gay ass crap Jan 21 19:38:58 whats this all about as well: Jan 21 19:39:02 Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc Jan 21 19:39:07 But that file is already provided by package gtk+-fastscaling Jan 21 19:39:10 ;) Jan 21 19:39:19 makes me giddy with idiocy how stuff like that happens .. Jan 21 19:39:29 well Jan 21 19:39:38 gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling are exchangable packages Jan 21 19:39:45 pick one Jan 21 19:39:46 so how'd they get in my system? Jan 21 19:40:10 perhaps you ipkg install gtk+ accidantly Jan 21 19:40:12 aliens Jan 21 19:41:27 bah! Jan 21 19:41:31 ipkg remove gtk+ Jan 21 19:41:37 No packages removed. Nothing to be done. Jan 21 19:41:44 sure Jan 21 19:41:45 they conflict Jan 21 19:41:53 which is what the error message is about Jan 21 19:41:57 you were try to install gtk Jan 21 19:42:03 but already have gtk+-fastscaling Jan 21 19:42:07 but i did ipkg upgrade .. Jan 21 19:42:12 i didn't do ipkg install gtk+ Jan 21 19:42:25 so someone has a depency issue, eh? Jan 21 19:42:37 possible Jan 21 19:48:51 http://www.expansys.at/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=150080 <- i considered to buy this keyboard for Neo; has anyone better alternatives? Jan 21 19:49:02 'better' Jan 21 19:49:04 apple bt keyboard rocks. Jan 21 19:49:06 much better. Jan 21 19:49:17 there are everything from fold-out full-sized keyboards, to credit card sized ones. Jan 21 19:49:25 Which'd suit you? Jan 21 19:49:47 Or even non-folding full sized. Jan 21 19:49:51 But... Jan 21 19:50:05 apple bt keyboard rocks ass. Jan 21 19:50:18 hm.. Jan 21 19:50:24 do you have link? Jan 21 19:50:35 torpor: and localized Jan 21 19:50:37 how do i fix this? Jan 21 19:50:37 update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gpsd: file does not exist Jan 21 19:50:52 torpor: the small al one without the numpad? is the key response comparable to a real keyboard? Jan 21 19:50:57 http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ Jan 21 19:50:59 yup Jan 21 19:51:01 its awesome Jan 21 19:51:03 i love it Jan 21 19:51:12 it works really well with the neo Jan 21 19:51:17 great combination. Jan 21 19:51:19 i have an apple bt keyboard too Jan 21 19:51:23 * pH5 planned to buy that, but I was afraid that it looks better than it feels Jan 21 19:51:43 no it feels pretty good. like the macbook keyboard, only somehow more solid, if thats possible. Jan 21 19:51:44 feels good. Jan 21 19:52:00 i wanna make a small clip that will hold the neo to it .. Jan 21 19:52:35 more level than I would like Jan 21 19:52:39 * SpeedEvil passes torpor a hammer and nails. Jan 21 19:53:13 hammer and nails? thats so last century, use "liquid nails"! Jan 21 19:53:54 level? Jan 21 19:53:59 i find it very comfortable to be honest. Jan 21 19:54:03 i wanna use it all the time. Jan 21 19:54:09 not ashigh at the back Jan 21 19:54:22 its the same as any other keyboard Jan 21 19:54:26 me too. i use it at work as well Jan 21 19:54:40 how much is the apple thingy? Jan 21 19:54:45 i only wish i could get a keypad version that was wireless .. Jan 21 19:54:49 ~100 Jan 21 19:54:52 65bucks Jan 21 19:55:01 i got mine through ADC so ymmv Jan 21 19:55:03 100 AUD :) Jan 21 19:55:30 i hate keypad things. Jan 21 19:55:49 just means you have to move your arm too much to reach the mouse Jan 21 19:55:50 i need it for work. Jan 21 19:56:43 thing about the apple wireless is, theres no backspace or page up/down Jan 21 19:57:16 yeah but that can change with the right keymap Jan 21 19:57:31 true, but I am too lazy :) Jan 21 19:57:57 i am not Jan 21 19:58:06 too lazy or too busy Jan 21 19:58:51 sry, had disconnect Jan 21 20:08:04 http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/performance.html Jan 21 20:08:16 yeah .. Jan 21 20:08:21 i won't be touching android. Jan 21 20:08:24 fun read Jan 21 20:08:26 lol Jan 21 20:08:56 coz that is gay and i don't mean in the nice happy sexy way, but in the hardcore being fucked in the ass by your neighbor who convinced you he was just gonna come over and mow the lawn way Jan 21 20:09:42 "even the fastest, highest-end handset doesn't even come close to the capabilities of even a modest desktop system." Jan 21 20:09:46 lol Jan 21 20:09:48 spoken like a true 20-something year old. Jan 21 20:09:50 dear openmoko, fix your ipkg sources, k thx. tyvm, rob. Jan 21 20:10:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r51 10/trunk/software/py-ophoned/ (7 files): add py-ophoned, first sketches towards a Python prototype of the Open Telephony Server Jan 21 20:10:57 never thought of the sexual analogy but i see your point :) Jan 21 20:19:55 my phone is *finally* back from San Fran! Jan 21 20:20:18 tonight I get to see if it will now work w/ my SIM, and maybe play with gprs Jan 21 20:25:20 Sweet! Jan 21 20:41:16 sleep time Jan 21 20:41:20 sija Jan 21 20:46:53 kdean06: thanks :-) Jan 21 20:49:59 openmoko: 03werner * r3904 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (fix-EVIOCGRAB-semantics.patch series): (log message trimmed) Jan 21 20:49:59 openmoko: This is the first of a series of "lost" patches, which were added to the Jan 21 20:49:59 openmoko: OpenMoko OpenEmbedded tree, but never actually made it into the kernel. Jan 21 20:49:59 openmoko: Note: this patch is a mere band aid, nothing clean or reliable. In fact, Jan 21 20:49:59 openmoko: I adapted the 2.6.22.5 more by instinct than by anything else ... Jan 21 20:50:02 openmoko: - Werner Jan 21 20:50:04 openmoko: the EVIOCGRAB semantics is a patch that the input subsystem Jan 21 20:56:45 been testing gprs....it seems after some idle time on a connection a TCP RST is initiated... anyone seen this....im on vodafine payg.....the odd thing it appears the ppp connection remains just the tcp connection is reset Jan 21 20:59:42 to be more clear...if say i ssh from my neo to an external server and dont type anything for sometime i get a tcp rst on the connection.....can anyone emulate this? Jan 21 21:00:12 That's probably the NAT's timeout Jan 21 21:00:19 ah fuck Jan 21 21:00:20 i bet Jan 21 21:00:32 you could enable keepalive Jan 21 21:01:02 is a pppd option? Jan 21 21:04:40 ah tcp keepalive Jan 21 21:06:08 hehe is there a ssh-client by default in openmoko? Jan 21 21:07:10 was a bitch this as i thought was my application doing it then i just tried a simple ssh session and same behaviour Jan 21 21:07:22 yes spydon Jan 21 21:07:31 how handy :P Jan 21 21:07:44 anyone tried to forward X? xd Jan 21 21:07:57 not tried but u can Jan 21 21:08:28 hehe I will definitelly try that when I get a freerunner :p Jan 21 21:09:00 bbl Jan 21 21:11:01 speedevil u think editing /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time is the thing? Jan 21 21:12:26 hmm this looks messy Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: 03werner * r3905 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch: Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: "Lost OE" patch gta-vibro-pwm-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory) Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: gta01-vibrator.patch: Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: - drivers/leds/leds-neo1973-vibrator.c (gta01vib_suspend, gta01vib_resume): Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: moved below gta01vib_init_hw, so that we can call it cleanly Jan 21 21:12:28 openmoko: - drivers/leds/leds-neo1973-vibrator.c (gta01vib_resume): call gta01vib_init_hw Jan 21 21:12:33 openmoko: if we have a PWM Jan 21 21:17:10 seems to use keepalive u need to request it when u open the socket which is not default behaviour for most apps Jan 21 21:18:51 would be interested to see if others who have configured gprs can remain connected on their network.....maybe just a vodafone thing they have configured their NAT that way Jan 21 21:24:50 /quit server is being replaced Jan 21 21:24:52 Heh Jan 21 21:27:45 openmoko: 03werner * r3906 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (iis-suspend.patch series): Jan 21 21:27:45 openmoko: "Lost OE" patch iis-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory) Jan 21 21:27:45 openmoko: This one adds power management support to the S3C24xx I2S driver. Jan 21 21:27:45 openmoko: series: added iis-suspend.patch Jan 21 21:27:45 openmoko: iis-suspend.patch: Jan 21 21:27:47 openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-i2s.c (s3c24xx_i2s_suspend, s3c24xx_i2s_resume): Jan 21 21:27:51 openmoko: added power management support Jan 21 21:29:41 hei!!power management!!!we've got it??? Jan 21 21:31:40 wft?! Jan 21 21:33:46 tfw?!? Jan 21 21:34:11 ftw?? Jan 21 21:34:43 fwt Jan 21 21:35:13 tfsu Jan 21 21:35:15 3! = 6 permutations....come on! Jan 21 21:36:43 openmoko: 03werner * r3907 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-sound.patch: Jan 21 21:36:43 openmoko: "Lost OE" patch gta02-sound.patch (by Graeme Gregory) Jan 21 21:36:43 openmoko: This one got applied to mainline, but OpenEmbedded had a small fix that Jan 21 21:36:43 openmoko: was still missing. Jan 21 21:36:43 openmoko: gta02-sound.patch: Jan 21 21:36:44 openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_gta02_wm8753.c (neo1973_gta02_suspend, Jan 21 21:36:48 openmoko: neo1973_gta02_resume): replace with NULL pointers if CONFIG_PM is not enabled Jan 21 21:48:03 openmoko: 03werner * r3908 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch series): (log message trimmed) Jan 21 21:48:03 openmoko: "Lost OE" patch s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory) Jan 21 21:48:03 openmoko: This one changes the DMA initialization in s3c24xx-pcm.c kernel.org driver. Jan 21 21:48:03 openmoko: s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch: Jan 21 21:48:03 openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c (s3c24xx_pcm_hardware): added Jan 21 21:48:07 openmoko: SNDRV_PCM_INFO_PAUSE and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_RESUME Jan 21 21:48:09 openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c (s3c24xx_pcm_hw_params): move DMA setup to Jan 21 21:49:41 FuzzyCat: ahem, seems like sound just got fixed, updated build? Jan 21 22:00:30 xcasex, will do now :D Jan 21 22:01:39 mmmm Jan 21 22:01:49 are all these *Cats the same? Jan 21 22:02:44 no? Jan 21 22:03:12 huh? Jan 21 22:03:29 ScaredyCat && FuzzyCat are Jan 21 22:03:47 yeah, that's what I was asking Jan 21 22:04:03 it just depends whre I am at the time :D Jan 21 22:09:03 FuzzyCat: tyvm Jan 21 22:11:25 does 2.6.24 boot on gta01 now? Jan 21 22:11:39 or are you building for 02? Jan 21 22:12:17 I'm going to ask again, because I haven't gotten any love yet Jan 21 22:12:31 Does anyone know the solution to the issue in MokoMakefile where you get: build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy' ? Jan 21 22:15:33 openmoko: 03werner * r3909 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (s3c2410-usb-switch.patch series): (log message trimmed) Jan 21 22:15:33 openmoko: "Lost OE" patch s3c2410-usb-switch.patch (by Harald Welte ?) Jan 21 22:15:33 openmoko: This patch is dicussed here: Jan 21 22:15:33 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876 Jan 21 22:15:33 openmoko: Note: I've added the GPE5 -> GPB9 change (untested) and I've removed the Jan 21 22:15:36 openmoko: apparently unused file arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/usb-modeswitch.c Jan 21 22:15:39 openmoko: s3c2410-usb-switch.patch: Jan 21 22:26:00 could somone please fix gpephone in oe ... Jan 21 22:27:01 iirc it inherits itself ... so the fix is simple Jan 21 22:46:08 xcasex, just testing it now Jan 21 22:46:45 FuzzyCat: most excellent sir ;D Jan 21 22:54:47 it doesn;t fix the problem Cap_J_L_Picard Jan 21 22:54:50 errm Jan 21 22:54:55 it doesn;t fix the problem xcasex Jan 21 22:56:31 Hi folks, i've looked into OpenMoko for a while now, an im really intressed in this project. I guess you get the following qustion alot but i have to ask.. Is there any kind of timeframe until the GTA02 will arive? Jan 21 22:56:56 Nordiz: please see /topic Jan 21 22:57:20 And, if i but GTA01, will i still be able to use the upcomming software updates even after the new version released? Jan 21 22:58:55 Nordiz: free phone, free software Jan 21 22:59:00 expected in march and yes Jan 21 22:59:12 although obviously gta01 wont have wifi Jan 21 22:59:19 Mine does! Jan 21 22:59:32 oh Jan 21 22:59:38 (I haven't unplugged the USB stick that I was testing) Jan 21 22:59:43 although obviously standard gta01's wont have wifi Jan 21 22:59:55 and I haven't actually got a driver for it - it just showed up on lsusb Jan 21 23:00:04 SpeedEvil, whee Jan 21 23:00:22 * FuzzyCat giggles... Jan 21 23:00:27 I've been distracted today as I'm dismantling my gas central heating boiler. Jan 21 23:00:57 Hrm, anyone have any problems building mysql-native-4.1.18-r4? i get a fail on patching 'autofoo.patch' Jan 21 23:01:02 yeah, I have wifi, I just attach this giant wind turbine and cisco router connected to a wifi backbone ... Jan 21 23:01:14 Mek: Sorry, i missed the topic.. thanks! Jan 21 23:01:26 * FuzzyCat wonders if SpeedEvil is Corgi registered Jan 21 23:01:54 right I must way to the land of nod... Jan 21 23:02:03 s/way/away/ Jan 21 23:02:04 FuzzyCat meant: right I must away to the land of nod... Jan 21 23:02:56 FuzzyCat: don't have to be Jan 21 23:03:11 FuzzyCat: if it's your own boiler, you can do it as long as you're competent. Jan 21 23:03:37 (on dissasembly it was revealed that my pump had failed) Jan 21 23:03:56 Tomorrows job is to dissasemble the pump. Jan 21 23:16:30 * cesarb feels happy we don't need any heating around here Jan 21 23:16:46 cesarb: where r u? Jan 21 23:16:58 If it gets too cold, just close all windows and it's enough (with <20 degrees defined as "too cold") Jan 21 23:17:03 wurp2: Rio de Janeiro Jan 21 23:17:13 awesome! Jan 21 23:17:34 OTOH, sometimes we get 40 degrees... Jan 21 23:17:37 Are you writing software as your day job there? Jan 21 23:17:46 wurp2: sysadmin Jan 21 23:17:51 cesarb: I'm in TX, so we get the 40 and we also get sub-0 Jan 21 23:17:57 (celsius, of course) Jan 21 23:18:41 * cesarb has never got sub-0 anywhere, and probably only got below 10 very few times Jan 21 23:19:02 (I think I'd freeze if I got below zero) Jan 21 23:19:16 FuzzyCat: seems like its borked post new years :/ Jan 21 23:20:36 cesarb: I lived in northern Arkansas as a kid Jan 21 23:20:53 one winter we got -40, the magic point where farenheit == celsius Jan 21 23:21:41 hmm.... my 'make update' opened this fancy thing with three columns showing three different versions of the same file... I know I shouldn't be just editing existing bitbake recipees, but use some overlay stuff instead, but now how do I tell how to merge this stuff? Jan 21 23:21:49 (or how do I even exit this application it started? :) Jan 21 23:29:23 Mek: try ":q!" to exit (if it's using the 'vi' editor). I don't know the proper way to resolve the merge conflicts with mtn Jan 21 23:30:09 yeah, :q! just re-opens it, but first saving it made it continue :) Jan 21 23:37:35 Can anyone get the IP address for repo.or.cz? Its DNS server seems down to me Jan 21 23:37:57 lets see Jan 21 23:38:37 [maito@zcat ~]$ ping repo.or.cz Jan 21 23:38:37 ping: unknown host repo.or.cz Jan 21 23:38:47 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Jan 21 23:38:58 no answer from DNS server Jan 21 23:39:15 * Stephmw nods Jan 21 23:41:34 Just when I come home having decided one of my patches was wrong, and wanted to upload the fix so nobody would get hit by my mistake (that is, if there's someone crazy enough to try my experimental patches already) Jan 21 23:43:33 (freqs.new < freqs.old does NOT imply the bus frequency is decreasing) Jan 21 23:46:40 openmoko: 03sameo * r3910 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (3 files): Jan 21 23:46:40 openmoko: ar6k-atheros-2.0: iperf bug fix Jan 21 23:46:40 openmoko: We need to double check for SDIO IRQ bits. Jan 22 00:04:44 hi, i just tried to run linux-2.6.24 on my gta01. it stops at "Starting kernel...". Is this a known problem? Jan 22 00:05:37 did you install the modules as well? Jan 22 00:08:22 2.2.24 doesn't work I think Jan 22 00:08:25 I may be wrong. Jan 22 00:08:36 And if it was a module problem, you'd get more lines Jan 22 00:10:31 ok.. so what's the latest version usable with the gta01? Jan 22 00:13:54 toxx_: I'm using uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13-neo1973.bin (built myself with bleeding-edge MokoMakefile) Jan 22 00:14:07 I'm trying to get my neo to a usable state, i.e. trying to apply everything needed for power management, sleep mode as well as fixes/workarounds for the gsm wakeup problem. what would be the best kernel to start with? Jan 22 00:14:46 mmontour, does suspend/resume work correctly? Jan 22 00:15:00 No Jan 22 00:15:11 I haven't tried suspend/resume for a long time. I would assume 'no'. Jan 22 00:15:15 Unless there has been major work since yesterday that is. Jan 22 00:16:01 ok, so noone from OM looked into that yet? Jan 22 00:18:17 I would personally wait for a working 2.6.24 before starting any new kernel work. It probably won't be too long before someone gets it booting on GTA01. Jan 22 00:22:14 ok, thanks. I'll wait then, since I've got no experience in debugging kernel startup at all :-( Jan 22 00:34:50 hmm... the eds-dbus package doesn't seem to build... :( Jan 22 00:50:10 ah, my disk is just full... :) Jan 22 00:59:18 Does anyone remember where to get the ipk that fixes audio echo? Or will ipkg upgrade fix it? Jan 22 00:59:30 (echo when you're talking on the phone) Jan 22 01:02:10 I guess that's a no... Jan 22 01:09:25 wurp2: Regarding your earlier question about the '-Qy' option - what does the first line of "build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v" say? Is it "Using built-in specs.", or something else? Jan 22 01:11:59 strange I can't seem to cp or rsync the /usr folder to /media/card Jan 22 01:12:04 it just hangs Jan 22 01:12:48 are you using an old kernel? Jan 22 01:12:56 it hangs on much access to the SD Jan 22 01:14:08 SpeedEvil: ok Jan 22 01:14:12 * duffyd goes off to check Jan 22 01:14:24 Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jan 13 04:09:41 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown Jan 22 01:14:26 is that old? Jan 22 01:16:13 duffyd: that's new. Maybe try physically re-seating the SD card, or look in 'dmesg' for more specific error messages. Jan 22 01:16:36 mmontour: ok thanks Jan 22 01:16:50 mmontour: fyi, I've formatted the card with ext3 Jan 22 01:16:51 speed evel does your life consit of the following: OM IRC channel OM dev eating sleeping and pooping cuz you are always in here active Jan 22 01:17:14 justin111: how wude Jan 22 01:17:55 hey guys, just got my neo1973, I am trying to open the pack? what gives? geez Jan 22 01:18:27 I-MOD: I gotz it :] Jan 22 01:19:54 speedevil: are you a OM dev Jan 22 01:20:26 speedevil: they should pay you for all the work you do in here Jan 22 01:20:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 you know of? Jan 22 01:21:46 speed are you an OM dev Jan 22 01:22:16 At the moment I'm working on getting my central heating going again. Jan 22 01:22:17 speed Jan 22 01:22:29 why wont you listen Jan 22 01:24:15 i just got my neo where should i start Jan 22 01:24:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 you know of? Jan 22 01:24:47 the website on the coaster which says "read this first" Jan 22 01:25:24 haha thanks ill do that come back later Jan 22 01:26:19 rwhitby: never ceases to amaze when people jump on IRC/ML and ask that question Jan 22 01:27:01 It's easy to miss the coaster Jan 22 01:27:08 duffyd: FIC need to print the "read this first" on the screen protector Jan 22 01:28:33 yeah Jan 22 01:36:52 In that page - it notes the SIM card as optional. Jan 22 01:37:12 Wasn't there concern about either the microSD or the SIM shorting out if there was no card installed? Jan 22 02:00:09 how can I tell if my sim was detected and/or is in use Jan 22 02:06:39 does anyone have an opinion on buying gta01 now or waiting for gta02? Jan 22 02:07:46 * pmw waits. Jan 22 02:08:17 bkruse: generally when it boots it'll prompt you for your sim pin (if you have one) and then notify you it has registered on the network Jan 22 02:10:55 pmw, seems like a good idea, but patience is *hard* ;) Jan 22 02:12:20 duffyd: ugh, it did not :/ Jan 22 02:13:12 bkruse: have you confirmed your sim is supported? Jan 22 02:13:22 tmobile Jan 22 02:13:46 bkruse: and another good idea is to update your ipkgs as the gsmd has been in a bit of flux (afaict) Jan 22 02:13:58 brb Jan 22 02:14:17 duffyd: gotcha, I get a 404 on one of the addresses though. 2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packges.gz Jan 22 02:14:30 bkruse, hax Jan 22 02:14:52 is it as awesome as expected? Jan 22 02:15:20 where could i find a list of supported sims? Jan 22 02:15:52 you mean the programming language haXe? Jan 22 02:16:33 I-MOD: yep! Jan 22 02:16:36 me and mog are playing with it Jan 22 02:17:22 * I-MOD drools Jan 22 02:18:04 i heard a talk by the founder. seems pretty cool Jan 22 02:18:24 You don't found a language. Jan 22 02:19:00 invent? Jan 22 02:19:06 set up? Jan 22 02:19:20 had no better idea. Jan 22 02:21:40 bkruse: you probably need to update your package repos Jan 22 02:21:45 as 2007.08 is quite old Jan 22 02:21:58 are you using buildhost.openmoko.org? Jan 22 02:22:08 another option is to use buildhost.automated.it Jan 22 02:22:29 do a wget on the scaredycat.conf from their into your /etc/ipkg directory then a ipkg update && ipkg upgrade Jan 22 02:23:03 where is that at? (the conf) Jan 22 02:23:06 thanks for the advice btw Jan 22 02:24:25 also duffyd, when I do a cu -l /dev/ttySAC0, it just says "connected" Jan 22 02:25:23 bkruse: sorry I haven't used the cu stuff Jan 22 02:26:25 bkruse, minicom? Jan 22 02:28:03 I-MOD: dunno Jan 22 02:35:19 if I get an "ERROR" from ttySAC0 when I do AT+CIMI does that mean my sim is inserted incorrectly? Jan 22 02:35:48 at+CFUN=1 first to turn on the modem Jan 22 02:37:40 ERROR Jan 22 02:37:54 SpeedEvil: Ideas? Jan 22 02:40:15 sorry - it's been a while since I tried it. Jan 22 02:40:23 np Jan 22 02:40:27 Look for the page 'manually using GSM' in the wiki Jan 22 02:41:39 SpeedEvil: carrier pigeons. Jan 22 02:41:42 thats manual Jan 22 02:47:30 heh Jan 22 02:47:34 my phone is dying Jan 22 02:47:51 so when is the consumer version of moko comming out? Jan 22 02:47:56 the timing sounds almost perfect Jan 22 02:48:36 Is roaming a function of the GSM modem, the SIM card & GSM modem, or the software? Jan 22 02:49:11 i.e. why is my Neo not roaming to another carrier at the moment? Jan 22 02:49:53 roaming is indicated from the carrier when you get into foreign territory. the software needs to handle it Jan 22 02:52:04 thanks :) Jan 22 02:52:26 you mean 'mokothanks' Jan 22 02:52:27 right? Jan 22 02:52:30 :) Jan 22 02:53:10 usually an indication Jan 22 02:55:53 Wow. It just took a loooong time. It just registered, and a popup says that it's roaming. I guess the gsmd folks have been busy. Jan 22 02:56:37 10 minutes (at least) is a bit longer than one would expect, but the fact that it actually works is kinda cool. Jan 22 02:56:38 how come my moko does not look like the one on openmoko.org :[ lol Jan 22 02:57:45 because your's isn't photoshopped? Jan 22 02:57:48 :p Jan 22 02:58:02 hehe, is that some specific image? Jan 22 02:58:07 or what it WILL look like? Jan 22 02:58:09 bkruse: Some of the pics still show the old "2007.1" GUI (which was changed to the current "2007.2" around September) Jan 22 02:58:22 mmontour: the one on openmoko.org Jan 22 02:58:29 that is not the latest kind of gui layout then? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 22 02:59:56 2008