**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:57 2008 Jan 27 03:00:10 bottom one Jan 27 03:00:20 small bottom one or large bottom one? Jan 27 03:00:25 bottom large one Jan 27 03:00:33 last small is the dismiss Jan 27 03:00:53 OK... Jan 27 03:00:55 there it goes Jan 27 03:02:51 Any test my asterisk ipkg and try to pass a clal? Jan 27 03:02:53 call* Jan 27 03:02:58 back Jan 27 03:03:17 So, I am going to do a "nand erase rootfs" and then re-send the u-boot, kernel, and root. Correct? Jan 27 03:03:34 only rootfs Jan 27 03:03:36 Or should I just skip the first two and only re-send the root? Jan 27 03:03:39 RayDar: I did that then just restored rootfs Jan 27 03:03:39 actually Jan 27 03:03:48 if you've upgraded u-boot Jan 27 03:03:51 I have Jan 27 03:04:01 just uploading rootfs normally should do it Jan 27 03:05:06 Asterisk says ' No such command 'console dial' (tyoe 'help' for help) Jan 27 03:05:12 OK. Here goes nothing. Jan 27 03:06:25 I don't need to re-upload the kernel? Jan 27 03:07:06 not if the rootfs image matches and the kernel is good Jan 27 03:07:24 yep Jan 27 03:07:41 anyone experiencing echo on phonecalls with latest snapshot? Jan 27 03:07:50 SpeedEvil: Was that "yep" aimed at me or KrisAbsinthe ? Jan 27 03:07:55 anyone experie Jan 27 03:08:04 raydar Jan 27 03:08:11 blckdove: I had echo on my phone calls with snapshot from two weeks ago. Jan 27 03:08:17 KrisAbsinthe: sorry - don't know asterisk Jan 27 03:08:29 RayDar: neo or other end Jan 27 03:08:43 blckdove: Neo side. Jan 27 03:08:54 i have other end Jan 27 03:09:22 im suspecting /etc/gsmheadset.state does not match with latest drivers or something Jan 27 03:09:40 SpeedEvil: me and bkruse were testing a sweet port he did to the neo Jan 27 03:09:46 handset.state i mean Jan 27 03:09:59 rebooting.... Jan 27 03:10:00 I think *everyone* has problems with echo on the other end of the neo Jan 27 03:10:11 SpeedEvil: end goal being a nice iax client... Jan 27 03:10:13 wurp2|away: oki... ill let it be then Jan 27 03:10:13 i fixed my echo on the other end Jan 27 03:10:15 there was a recent gsm state pkg that was supposed to fix it Jan 27 03:10:20 I tried it, no luck Jan 27 03:10:22 SpeedEvil: you have helped me a lot to get to this point, adding to credits Jan 27 03:10:30 KrisAbsinthe: How did you fix your echo? Jan 27 03:10:32 KrisAbsinthe: Yeah, I know you can manually edit the alsa mixer Jan 27 03:10:36 I haven't done that yet Jan 27 03:10:53 i have the asound > on my user bio at moko wiki Jan 27 03:10:57 KrisAbsinthe: those alsa settings you provided earlier did not do the tric for me Jan 27 03:10:59 There are a LOT of alsa settings Jan 27 03:11:12 seriously, ugh Jan 27 03:11:16 well shit Jan 27 03:11:28 np: Katie Melua - There are nine million alsa settings in freerunner. Jan 27 03:11:29 ill have to travel to a GSM 1900 area then Jan 27 03:12:13 ugh, already have something binded to alsa Jan 27 03:12:22 does madplay kill off other pulseaudio stuff? Jan 27 03:12:33 because I am having trouble binding to alsa because it is in use Jan 27 03:12:45 Yay! My fonts work again. Thanks blckdove and SpeedEvil Jan 27 03:12:57 :) Jan 27 03:13:06 RayDar: just uploading again worked? Jan 27 03:13:18 RayDar: i think i did not do anything for you on that.. thank SpeedEvil only =D Jan 27 03:13:28 SpeedEvil: I did the "nand erase rootfs" thing first. Probably didn't need to though. Jan 27 03:13:35 possibly not. Jan 27 03:13:45 It's only u-boots before Sep? that needed that Jan 27 03:13:48 Thanks, blckdove, you fixed my sound! Jan 27 03:13:50 OK. Then only thank YOU SpeedEvil . Jan 27 03:14:14 ugh, I might just make a simple driver for iaxclient/asterisk Jan 27 03:14:22 bkruse: pulseaudio is already bound to alsa Jan 27 03:14:34 you can shut it down temporarily with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop Jan 27 03:14:45 wurp2|away: perfect! Jan 27 03:14:47 thank you Jan 27 03:14:55 yw :-) Jan 27 03:15:07 what about when I write this iax client, how will I say "incoming call, need to bind to alsa" Jan 27 03:15:08 could someone tarball me compiled qemu-neo1973 dir for MokoMakefile project.. I cant compile it in gentoo Jan 27 03:15:21 for x86 Jan 27 03:15:27 also, do apps always run in the background after opened? This one will have to, so it can monitor for incoming calls Jan 27 03:16:14 you could write your iax client as a panel app Jan 27 03:16:24 KrisAbsinthe: explain! ;] Jan 27 03:17:23 or some docs, either or :] Jan 27 03:17:36 load the application to the matchbox-panel , in the way the OSKB works it monitors for text input boxes, i dont see a reason why your app couldnt monitor for iax Jan 27 03:18:10 interesting Jan 27 03:18:13 is that on the wiki somewhere? Jan 27 03:18:56 looking Jan 27 03:19:32 KrisAbsinthe: thank you very very much Jan 27 03:19:41 I would want to eventually integrate it into the dialer Jan 27 03:19:59 that would be great Jan 27 03:20:11 WOOHOO Jan 27 03:20:22 I can now receive calls while the media player is going Jan 27 03:20:30 wurp2|away: nice! Jan 27 03:20:34 So I can actually make use of it as a phone :-) Jan 27 03:20:41 I still have echo Jan 27 03:20:47 still awesome step Jan 27 03:20:56 yeah Jan 27 03:21:09 can multiple things use pulse audio at the same time? Jan 27 03:21:13 call someone and ssh to the neo and alsamixer it Jan 27 03:21:38 KrisAbsinthe: Doing so... Jan 27 03:21:53 make sure you have minutes cos it can take a whild ;) Jan 27 03:21:56 while Jan 27 03:22:04 blckdove: So you got it going too? Jan 27 03:22:11 nope Jan 27 03:22:16 hah Jan 27 03:22:21 * bkruse notices its past 9pm Jan 27 03:22:24 you should be good :] Jan 27 03:22:26 played around with it like half hour and gave up Jan 27 03:22:45 bummre Jan 27 03:22:53 s/re/er/ Jan 27 03:22:53 wurp2|away meant: bummer Jan 27 03:23:04 but im confident its alsa mixer/config problem Jan 27 03:23:09 mwester: Murphy kicked in. Because I have a debug card I didn't have to use it. Jan 27 03:23:16 OK, KrisAbsinthe, which settings am I looking for? Jan 27 03:23:31 I had same thing with my PC and teamspeak like 2002 =D Jan 27 03:23:40 RayDar: :) Jan 27 03:23:52 lol teamspeak, wow Jan 27 03:24:00 the amps go down and the bypass,mono,PCM go up a bit Jan 27 03:24:17 OK, thx Jan 27 03:24:27 bkruse: just pointing out that alsa tend to have such problems =D Jan 27 03:24:31 * bkruse has echo can in his application Jan 27 03:24:35 blckdove: agreed Jan 27 03:24:54 :D Jan 27 03:25:41 ok you can add your app to the panel by editing /etc/matchbox/session , may have to redirect your stream so you dont lock the panel like i just did Jan 27 03:25:55 I only see left amp and mono amp as having any volume Jan 27 03:25:57 nice! Jan 27 03:26:01 I turn them all the way down and I still have echo Jan 27 03:26:06 Mono Sidetone Volume is a good one to adjust for echo/buzz issues Jan 27 03:26:14 mmontour: thx Jan 27 03:27:01 ok, w/ mono sidetone all the way down I have no echo Jan 27 03:27:05 Note that "mono voice" also adjusts this same control - kernel bug #1190 Jan 27 03:27:09 wurp2|away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:KrisAbsinthe ... he provided his settings earlier today Jan 27 03:27:34 Is it possible to get sound to work for calls w/ mono sidetone all down? Jan 27 03:27:59 i think the sidetone is what your guy's echo is Jan 27 03:28:05 I wish i could listen to it, i do that all day Jan 27 03:28:36 It's in the audio path from the mic to the gsm chip, so you may not want it all the way down Jan 27 03:28:58 ok Jan 27 03:29:03 I know it is too quiet now Jan 27 03:29:07 what troubles me on those alsasettins is the capture setting (about 30%) on sidetone Jan 27 03:29:16 lemme try KrisAbsinthe 's settings Jan 27 03:29:29 dont know if there good or not Jan 27 03:29:45 tried to redo from memory cause im in a gsm 850 area Jan 27 03:30:12 ah Jan 27 03:30:13 i tried bunch of settins earlier today.. Jan 27 03:30:17 never mind then :-) Jan 27 03:30:26 wurp2|away: dont forget to report if you get the echo away Jan 27 03:30:31 once I get good ones I'll send it in Jan 27 03:30:34 :-) Jan 27 03:30:41 i know damn sure ill test it as soon as the GTA01 modified gets here Jan 27 03:30:44 echo goes away if you turn mono sidetone all the way down Jan 27 03:30:55 but you can barely hear on the neo end Jan 27 03:30:59 you can reduce the echo, but then you loose the volume on real speak/hear aswell Jan 27 03:31:11 wurp2|away: exactly Jan 27 03:31:25 ") Jan 27 03:31:56 maybe my report earlier was not complete: I can reduce echo but I cannot make hear/speak work properly wihtout echo =D Jan 27 03:32:47 i also remember having that issue Jan 27 03:32:47 never have gotten the headset to work, of course i only have 15 minutes a day to try lol Jan 27 03:33:57 btw.. i think those settings are gone if you do alsactl restore Jan 27 03:34:30 bbl Jan 27 03:34:39 so remember to do alsactl -f /media/card/gsm_mysettings.state store when you get it running Jan 27 03:34:49 wurp2|away: that was for you =D Jan 27 03:35:05 then post that .stete file to us ... hehe Jan 27 03:35:23 hell yeah lol Jan 27 03:36:38 zero echo Jan 27 03:36:45 sound is great Jan 27 03:37:00 OK, stupid comment coming Jan 27 03:37:11 When I exit alsa, it will remember the settings? Jan 27 03:37:36 I will edit KrisAbsinthe's page w/ my settings, OK? Jan 27 03:38:09 KrisAbsinthe: Are you an 850 tester for gta01? Jan 27 03:38:31 wurp2|away:do alsactl -f /media/card/gsm_mysettings.state store Jan 27 03:38:35 to store the settings Jan 27 03:38:45 blckdove: But I have to exit the mixer to do that Jan 27 03:38:54 and it won't revert? Jan 27 03:38:55 yeah Jan 27 03:38:59 you can exit alsamixer Jan 27 03:39:01 k, exiting Jan 27 03:39:06 then do that Jan 27 03:39:40 you can then replace cp the statefile and replace the /etc/gsmhandset.state Jan 27 03:39:58 and then it will use your new settings when swithing to phonecall mode Jan 27 03:40:16 that is, based on my experiences from today Jan 27 03:40:40 and please provide the .state file =D Jan 27 03:41:11 I have it now Jan 27 03:41:27 I actually have a newRootFs dir in my media/card Jan 27 03:41:34 with scripts to run every time I re-rootfs it Jan 27 03:41:46 well.. it was just a place to put it.. does not really matter Jan 27 03:42:15 if you replace the gsmhandset.state file, it should set proper ones automatically Jan 27 03:42:24 from that point on Jan 27 03:46:09 wurp2|away: what kind of things you do after new rootfs? I mean for what you have scripts for? Jan 27 03:46:25 Gee, I sure hope they add T9 entry or something. Jan 27 03:48:02 virtual kb is way too smal even for stylus Jan 27 03:50:36 blckdove: In the version I just installed, the tiny virtual keyboard is gone. They have a larger phone-style (ABC DEF GHI) keyboard. Jan 27 03:51:15 Of course, the upper case doesn't work and it doesn't have T9, but it is better than that really small keyboard they used to have. Jan 27 03:52:35 The power menu is still not optimal when the screen is rotated. Jan 27 03:53:49 modified gsmhandset.state saved at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem Jan 27 03:54:31 blckdove: I add make /home/root a link to /media/card/home/root, I add card as an ipkg location Jan 27 03:54:46 I install a bunch of packages including navit, some python packages Jan 27 03:54:54 all on the card, then I link 'em Jan 27 03:55:24 and I put a .shrc in / that I [ manually :-( ] run each time I start term Jan 27 03:55:27 that kind of stuff Jan 27 03:55:53 gotta bail, spending time with my son Jan 27 03:56:09 If someone can leave a message here about their results with the modified gsmhandset.state, I would appreciate it Jan 27 03:56:25 blckdove: Oh, and now it copies a good gsmhandset.state to /etc :-) Jan 27 03:56:28 later! Jan 27 03:57:18 later Jan 27 04:03:53 wurp2|away: i have no sound on neither end with our settings =D Jan 27 04:05:26 when calling, i cannot even hear the ring tone in neo side Jan 27 04:05:57 similar output what I had with KrisAbsinthe's settings earlier Jan 27 04:06:13 it can be something very small.. ill take a look at it tomorrow Jan 27 04:13:06 blckdove: Me neither, now Jan 27 04:13:07 but Jan 27 04:13:16 it sounds like the problem where the audio never switches over Jan 27 04:13:20 for phone calls Jan 27 04:16:22 I was never good at alsa things anyway :( Jan 27 04:17:50 but now, while(eyes_open == true) watch_tv() Jan 27 04:52:20 Wurp2|away: Yes i am a GSM 850 tester and yes please edit my page Jan 27 05:07:00 KrisAbsinthe: I put it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem Jan 27 05:07:14 (not really here, btw) Jan 27 05:08:52 another cat put his state file up, http://drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/PublicFolder/handset.sagacis.state --thanks Sagacis Jan 27 05:24:07 ugh i hate alsa Jan 27 05:24:10 forever Jan 27 05:28:06 yeah me too. Apparently those of us who purchased the GTA01 are going to have to deal with low audio while in calls. Annoying. and now problems with PBXing this sucks Jan 27 05:28:24 I love dev versions lol Jan 27 05:29:02 * madwoota continues waiting for a retail version Jan 27 05:29:43 weird, my RSA host key changed after i put in my SIM Jan 27 05:29:45 KrisAbsinthe: you tried anything? Jan 27 05:29:52 KrisAbsinthe: lol thats random Jan 27 05:31:22 Yeah, ill type the output real quick. and my RSA didnt change im an idiot, trying to ssh into my own box Jan 27 05:31:31 lol Jan 27 05:31:39 "i hacked localhost, nice" Jan 27 05:31:51 lol Jan 27 05:33:10 "No such command ' console dial' " Jan 27 05:33:31 thats what i get Jan 27 05:46:25 rtp: if your name is rtp, can you help me with my sip client? :[ Jan 27 05:46:25 lol Jan 27 05:55:16 Hey, I found a good pic viewer for neo Jan 27 05:55:18 gqview Jan 27 05:55:23 Which I had been looking for Jan 27 05:55:29 wurp2|away: is it already on the neo? Jan 27 05:55:49 nope Jan 27 05:55:53 but it's in the default repositories Jan 27 05:56:11 if you're on the net you can just ipkg install gqview Jan 27 05:56:12 wurp2|away: so its already cross compiled and works well? Jan 27 05:56:16 nice Jan 27 05:56:21 well Jan 27 05:56:24 ima test it out Jan 27 05:56:31 it is very obviously not optimized for neo Jan 27 05:56:42 but you can resize windows and it is usable Jan 27 05:56:45 ahh, gotcha, but can be tweaked to work well? Jan 27 05:57:04 I can see a list of thumbnails, select one, and expand it to fit almost the full screen Jan 27 05:57:29 nice Jan 27 05:57:34 I suspect there's an option in there somewhere to make the pic full screen, but navigating those wifull screen designed menus on the neo is a trick :-) Jan 27 05:57:37 some gtk widget matching and it will work well Jan 27 05:57:39 exactly Jan 27 05:57:41 s/wifull/full/ Jan 27 05:57:42 wurp2|away meant: I suspect there's an option in there somewhere to make the pic full screen, but navigating those full screen designed menus on the neo is a trick :-) Jan 27 05:57:46 yeah Jan 27 05:58:12 I've seen recommendations for exhibit and edje, but I couldn't get either of those to work Jan 27 05:58:54 Once all this low level stuff is settled, I would love to see the amazing stuff that could be done with a cohesive redesign of the UI for all commonly used apps Jan 27 05:59:16 agreed, the UI does need to be....maybe to redesigned, but thought up a little more Jan 27 05:59:22 now that we have more time and such Jan 27 05:59:27 even this build I just put on is significantly better than what I got 4 weeks ago Jan 27 05:59:53 Well, I think it's just a matter of putting time in the right places Jan 27 05:59:53 good, good news Jan 27 05:59:57 I am building from BB right now Jan 27 05:59:57 which I think is happening Jan 27 06:00:02 Agreed Jan 27 06:00:15 It's just that those right places will get more shiny later on :-) Jan 27 06:00:21 exactly Jan 27 06:00:23 core is DEF important Jan 27 06:00:32 see normally, in phone development, we do not see this side of it at all Jan 27 06:00:32 yeah Jan 27 06:00:43 Or with any product end-users get, really Jan 27 06:00:43 absolutely Jan 27 06:00:47 anyone know how to send CR to a shelled app? any language? Jan 27 06:01:16 ctrl-m? Jan 27 06:01:20 starting to piss me off Jan 27 06:01:23 echo -en Jan 27 06:02:19 oh, wait, you want CR, not linefeed :-) Jan 27 06:03:05 anyone know why the touch 'click' goes away if you restart pulseaudio Jan 27 06:03:10 and how to turn it back on? Jan 27 06:06:05 id try restarting /etc/init.d/asound Jan 27 06:06:26 anyone else program in gambas2? Jan 27 06:06:47 ack Jan 27 06:07:00 I've been programming for 24 yrs and never HEARD of gambas2 Jan 27 06:07:12 I don't have an /etc/init.d/asound :-) Jan 27 06:08:39 its like VB for GTK and QT Jan 27 06:08:46 ah Jan 27 06:09:04 I thought that was tcl Jan 27 06:09:27 or, for me, python :-) Jan 27 06:09:44 i like it for quick GUIs Jan 27 06:09:58 I don't build guis very much Jan 27 06:10:05 I should maybe try it sometime Jan 27 06:10:11 but trying to get sudo permissions is pissing me off today Jan 27 06:10:13 gambas2, not guis ;-) Jan 27 06:10:19 ? Jan 27 06:11:19 need to execute ifconfig from the app im making , can figure out how to send the damned CR Jan 27 06:11:40 *cant Jan 27 06:13:52 'echo -en | yrapp' didn't work? Jan 27 06:14:27 Or you could make the app read from a temp named pipe, then send the pipe whatever you want, if you need to start the app once & interact afterwards Jan 27 06:16:19 anyone know what the toolbar doohickey in the upper right of the title bar is called, and how to restart it? Jan 27 06:16:34 w/ keyboard, bluetooth, charge, etc icons Jan 27 06:17:09 i wish it worked, the stream is prompting me for the password, i can send whatever password is entered just can get it to hit 'Enter' Jan 27 06:17:35 passwords may be especially yucky Jan 27 06:17:50 I've seen apps that seemed to notice redirected input & reject it Jan 27 06:17:56 presumably for security reasons Jan 27 06:19:17 killall matchbox-panel-2 Jan 27 06:19:30 DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-panel-2 Jan 27 06:19:34 that may work Jan 27 06:20:15 anyway got to sleep. been coding this 13 hours today Jan 27 06:31:56 KrisAbsinthe: Thanks for matchbox panel reminder Jan 27 06:32:08 np Jan 27 07:29:32 what is the asound config file for headset and not playbakc? Jan 27 07:32:13 for some reason the playback is working fine, but the recording is def not Jan 27 07:35:44 raster: im useing E17 Jan 27 07:38:29 ugh I cannot bind to the mic for some reason Jan 27 08:03:11 hi, wondering if anyone can help me with a potential bricked OM :( Jan 27 08:03:36 I followed the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase and entered the nand erase rootfs command, which went ok Jan 27 08:04:46 but then as the cu command has some funny input 'issues' somehow it started to execute a 'nand erase' Jan 27 08:05:14 now when I connect to the device via cu, this is constantly scrollinf: Jan 27 08:05:16 scrolling: Jan 27 08:05:18 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:19 OK Jan 27 08:05:19 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:19 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:20 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:22 OK Jan 27 08:05:24 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:26 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:28 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:30 OK Jan 27 08:05:32 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:34 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:36 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:38 OK Jan 27 08:05:40 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:40 heard of pastebin ? Jan 27 08:05:42 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:46 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:48 OK Jan 27 08:05:50 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:52 GTA01Bv4 # Jan 27 08:05:54 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Jan 27 08:05:56 sorry about channel flood Jan 27 08:05:58 is this bad? Jan 27 08:06:00 madwoota: yes didn't know where the OM official one was Jan 27 08:06:02 should've used my backup one, though ;) Jan 27 08:06:32 I'm too scared to reboot the OM incase it doesn't boot any longer Jan 27 08:06:44 can anyone tell me if this error message is bad or not? Jan 27 08:07:40 put it this way, my uboot menu doesn't respond anymore Jan 27 08:08:03 actually, it does, just tried the aux button again :) Jan 27 08:11:54 I may actually be alright ;) Jan 27 08:12:23 cool .. now we have an iax client for OpenMoko Jan 27 08:12:52 CVirus: iax? Jan 27 08:13:19 duffyd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Asterisk_eXchange Jan 27 08:13:34 duffyd: it's a VoIP protocol Jan 27 08:13:39 duffyd: http://bkruse.com/?p=11 Jan 27 08:13:50 CVirus: thanks :) Jan 27 08:14:01 no problem :-) Jan 27 08:26:50 zinrip&7 Jan 27 08:29:00 ljp: just the person I wanted to talk to :). I've just downloaded and 'tried' to install the nov snapshot of qtopia but I can't get it to boot Jan 27 08:29:18 ljp: I've also tried doing a nand erase on rootfs/kernel with no luck :( Jan 27 08:29:29 when it boots it says something about can't find magic block Jan 27 08:29:34 I'll try and reboot it again now Jan 27 08:31:04 duffyd: Did you 'nand erase' without any other parameters? Jan 27 08:31:17 ouch. Jan 27 08:31:32 wurp2|away: no Jan 27 08:32:21 wurp2|away: well I don't think so anyway. It did do some weird stuff, mainly related to strange input weirdness but still boots the sdcard image ok Jan 27 08:32:26 From what you say above it looks as if you may have... Jan 27 08:32:26 and I can get into uboot ok too Jan 27 08:32:33 oh really Jan 27 08:32:36 cut-n-paste into cu doesn't work Jan 27 08:32:44 Just where you said it said "nand erase"... Jan 27 08:32:45 wurp2|away: yeah I noticed that Jan 27 08:32:56 But if you can get to uboot menu you are probably OK... Jan 27 08:33:15 Just use "nand erase rootfs" again Jan 27 08:33:22 wurp2|away: ok Jan 27 08:33:33 then dfu-util to put on uImage and rootfs Jan 27 08:33:38 wurp2|away: yeah I thought it would be *bricked* if I had done a nand erase Jan 27 08:33:42 ok Jan 27 08:33:43 thanks Jan 27 08:33:57 The images I have tested within the last week haven't had sound Jan 27 08:34:03 So you may want an image older than that Jan 27 08:34:16 wurp2|away: qtopia images? Jan 27 08:34:21 I fixed sound on mine, but it is probably non-trivial for your brand new one Jan 27 08:34:24 oh, nope :-) Jan 27 08:34:27 openmoko Jan 27 08:35:02 wurp2|away: cool, when you say sound issues, do you mean when making calls? Jan 27 08:35:17 nah, no sound at all :-) Jan 27 08:35:20 not even sound device Jan 27 08:35:30 wurp2|away: oh, then mine should be fine as I just heard the startup sound :) Jan 27 08:35:39 it's just a kernel module missing, but I had to get someone to tell me where it was Jan 27 08:35:50 If you got the startup sound, you're definitely OK Jan 27 08:36:11 re: your brick worries Jan 27 08:36:38 ok, must sleep Jan 27 08:36:46 have fun! Jan 27 08:37:06 wurp2|away: cu Jan 27 08:38:37 wurp2|away: just realised what I'd done wrong (I did this last time too) just flashed the tgz file! Jan 27 08:38:44 maybe too tired myself ;) Jan 27 08:49:46 ahhh the familiar qtopia screen - how purdy ;) Jan 27 08:49:52 now I've got dual boot heaven Jan 27 08:50:29 I have to say, OM is my preferred option at this stage. Mainly cos I run evolution on my desktop and find it easier to copy addressbook/tasks/calendar between desktop/OM Jan 27 08:50:56 mmm, seems to have hung Jan 27 08:51:00 on the startup screen Jan 27 08:53:08 hi all Jan 27 08:54:02 I'm using ubuntu 7.10, and I'm tryin to build openmoko but it stops at task 1775 do-fetch Jan 27 08:54:02 mohamed: hi Jan 27 08:54:26 duffyd: can you help me with that? Jan 27 08:55:13 mohamed: sorry, I've never built OM on my pc :( Jan 27 08:55:19 just use it on the 'real thing' ;) Jan 27 08:55:54 duffyd: ok thank you Jan 27 08:56:11 can any one help me building openmok Jan 27 08:56:13 ? Jan 27 08:56:47 gotta run, night all Jan 27 10:03:51 is there a way to debug linux apps over jtag? Jan 27 10:06:17 using openocd Jan 27 10:07:28 JViz: gdbserver is much better for debugging applications Jan 27 10:08:33 JViz: JTAG debuggers /can/ be used for debugging applications, but that requires extensive support for a particular linux version (lauterbach does it, afaik) Jan 27 10:09:24 drath: ahhh, ty Jan 27 10:10:02 drath: this seems to be what i've been looking for Jan 27 10:20:58 good morning Jan 27 10:29:27 i believe you can use gdb with jtag to debug apps also Jan 27 10:32:09 at least the most basic stuff Jan 27 11:31:13 hi all Jan 27 11:31:36 I'm using ubuntu 7.10, and I have a problem in building openmoko Jan 27 11:32:02 task 1775 (do fetch) Jan 27 11:32:48 the following is shown: Jan 27 11:32:50 NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git_0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89.tar.gz Jan 27 11:32:51 --13:30:50-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git_0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89.tar.gz Jan 27 11:32:53 => `/home/mohamed/moko/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git_0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89.tar.gz' Jan 27 11:32:54 Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 Jan 27 11:32:56 Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. Jan 27 11:32:57 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Jan 27 11:32:59 13:30:56 ERROR 404: Not Found. Jan 27 11:33:05 then the connection times out Jan 27 11:33:10 any help? Jan 27 11:34:19 nope, i get the same 404 error Jan 27 11:34:21 check your link? Jan 27 11:34:39 maybe new version, file changed? Jan 27 11:35:02 Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu Jan 27 11:35:30 smlsfb: so what should I do if the file has changed? Jan 27 11:35:58 how did you get the version you're building? Jan 27 11:36:44 smlsfb: first I typed make setup then make openmoko-devel-image Jan 27 11:37:20 when/where did you download the original package? Jan 27 11:37:33 smlsfb: but I used an old OE.mtn Jan 27 11:37:50 smlsfb: the OE.mtn is about two months ago Jan 27 11:38:05 smlsfb: but the rest are recently downloaded Jan 27 11:38:10 did you try a newer version? Jan 27 11:38:22 smlsfb: no ! Jan 27 11:38:29 smlsfb: should I? Jan 27 11:38:48 first place i'd start Jan 27 11:40:21 http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git..tar.gz looks kind of old ... march 2007 Jan 27 11:41:26 smlsfb: so? Jan 27 11:46:02 smlsfb: does this mean that I don't need to update my copy? Jan 27 11:47:22 it seems like development is moving pretty fast, so i'd say yes Jan 27 11:49:37 when I was about to answer, he leaves... Jan 27 11:49:58 (the answer is "don't worry about the 404, it will next try getting via the git protocol as the fallback") Jan 27 11:50:21 haha Jan 27 11:50:36 no one else answered, so i figured i'd throw some advice out Jan 27 11:50:48 (and "make update updates the OE.mtn to the latest revision") Jan 27 11:50:57 haven't actually done what he's trying to do, even Jan 27 11:51:04 smlsfb: way too many lurkers around here Jan 27 11:51:19 smlsfb: you sometimes ask a question and the answer comes back more than a half day later :D Jan 27 11:51:19 heh, i'm one of them at the moment Jan 27 11:53:22 i actually only use irc when i'm working midnights ... so i'm online but away 90% of the time Jan 27 12:23:02 hi Jan 27 14:57:03 * ScaredyCat is starting to get irritated with glade and gtk Jan 27 14:58:07 ScaredyCat: Hey there :) Jan 27 14:58:14 What are you working on? Jan 27 14:58:16 hey CM Jan 27 14:58:31 I'm working on going insane atm Jan 27 14:58:35 Hehe Jan 27 14:59:01 I'm trying to catch up.. Damn, moving, new job, gf.. Steals insane amounts of time Jan 27 14:59:13 Also having to be social with all friends in this town ;) Jan 27 14:59:15 I design somehting in glade, cut out the c stuff, and unglade it... then drop it into my lil app and the layout is just fecked up Jan 27 14:59:33 CM: well I have no life, so a lot of time.. :P Jan 27 14:59:51 gkt layout is just balls Jan 27 15:00:24 Hehe Jan 27 15:00:37 Hmm.. I think it was quite ok, but it was a while since I used it Jan 27 15:01:11 mayby there's something obvious I'm missing... it looks ok in glade... Jan 27 15:01:39 asically I create a table 5 x 7 Jan 27 15:02:32 then I put my label in, spanning 3x3 and then a button spanning 3x1 Jan 27 15:02:57 in glade it looks ok, when I compile it it just looks like gtk is ignoreing the spanning Jan 27 15:03:16 Strange Jan 27 15:03:38 i donlt know if it's just an incompatability or somehting Jan 27 15:03:46 or if I'm just a retard Jan 27 15:04:10 That's a trick question because of the "or".. :P Jan 27 15:04:28 hhehe so true Jan 27 15:04:35 Hmm.. Should be some gtk-gurus around here though Jan 27 15:04:41 Someone ought to know :) Jan 27 15:04:44 I'm so backward, I'm forward Jan 27 15:04:50 Hehe Jan 27 15:05:23 mickeyl is still zzzzing apparently Jan 27 15:05:41 when are the devices with wifi expected? Jan 27 15:05:52 * ScaredyCat points at topic Jan 27 15:05:54 This spring Jan 27 15:08:30 Hmm.. python-edbus_cvs.bb seems to be broken still Jan 27 15:10:56 * ScaredyCat had to do a full rebuild.. Jan 27 15:11:19 something got screwed up and my build was stuffing qtopia in too Jan 27 15:11:26 haha Jan 27 15:12:40 well, that's fine.. Jan 27 15:12:58 the only issue is when you try to flash it and it's too big (just) Jan 27 15:20:58 yo Jan 27 15:21:00 whats up folks? Jan 27 15:21:05 <-- loving his new eeepc Jan 27 15:21:15 heh Jan 27 15:24:18 my money was on eee also, but then Neo1973 & FreeRunner came Jan 27 15:24:32 seems more a nicer investment Jan 27 15:25:17 This serial driver is annoying me Jan 27 15:25:30 cesarb: still the gsm issue? Jan 27 15:25:37 So, I now have to code up a way to tell the cpufreq core which frequencies it can use Jan 27 15:25:38 It's working, and you can't work out why? Jan 27 15:26:28 But to do that, I have to code up a "what if" thing in the serial driver so I can ask it "if the pclk was 12000000 and the hclk was 12000000 and the fclk was 12000000, would it be within the tolerances?" Jan 27 15:26:40 But that part of the code is a mess Jan 27 15:27:17 what about an alternative hack Jan 27 15:27:26 It has four implementations for four variants, each one calling directly the serial chip to find its current status and then directly asking the clock code for the frequency Jan 27 15:27:35 a way to ask 'can you set this speed at this pckl' from userspace Jan 27 15:27:52 SpeedEvil: ? Jan 27 15:27:59 ahven: i have both eee and neo .. i like 'em bot. i'll like the neo more when its all working, and i can use it with the eeepc .. Jan 27 15:27:59 And then a user-configurable list of speeds that it can use Jan 27 15:28:13 I basically mean 'push the problem into userspace'. Jan 27 15:28:42 SpeedEvil: I think pushing this into userspace is just going to turn into an even bigger mess Jan 27 15:28:47 yeah Jan 27 15:29:05 cesarb: I wish I could say you're wrong. Jan 27 15:29:06 did you find a solution to the gsm bit rate problem, or did you decide to drop 12MHz? Jan 27 15:29:29 SpeedEvil: I was trying to be non-invasive, but it looks like I'm going to have to add a new method to the ops "vtable" and implement it for each chip Jan 27 15:30:31 cesarb: you mean basically instead of one beautiful 'vary clock speed' module, you have it with nasty per-chip callbacks to the other drivers? Jan 27 15:30:46 Vegar: I decided to use a policy notifier to automagically allow each driver to tell which minimum speed it can use (via a cool iterator-like thingy which allows me to in fact have the driver say "here's a function where you give me the clocks and I tell if it will work" and the code will scan the table and ask the callback and do the math) Jan 27 15:31:11 SpeedEvil: wait a bit, let me push to repo so you can see Jan 27 15:31:45 sounds nice Jan 27 15:33:15 http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=fba7ed1177e17f8b40069cd55251fe8b2f4e4eee <- this one is the helper code which would allow me to do the trick Jan 27 15:33:28 http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=fefd3fe54b4df6087ef354260c12fc7e1416563d <- this one is where I am in the serial driver Jan 27 15:34:01 I have to write s3c2410_serial_cpufreq_policy_adjust_cb which receives the clocks and returns "true" or "false". Sounds easy, doesn't it? ;-) Jan 27 15:34:57 :/ Jan 27 15:35:09 It's easy to do dumbly Jan 27 15:35:38 cesarb: any answer on the related issue - can GSM go slow? Jan 27 15:35:49 * SpeedEvil stabs binary blobs WRT GPS Jan 27 15:36:01 SpeedEvil: as far I as tried, it doesn't seem so Jan 27 15:36:43 Actually. Jan 27 15:36:48 SpeedEvil: the fact that after I forced everything to 57600 just reloading gsmd at 115200 made it work without any rebooting or magic echos make it sound like it's somehow hardcoded Jan 27 15:37:41 The GPS chip itself should fix this - but only if you restart it - as it autobauds, so even if you're a bit out, it should be OK. Jan 27 15:38:13 But, as there is no way to tell the GPS code this, and as it uses lots of CPU, ... Jan 27 15:38:21 SpeedEvil: the problem is that the serial driver is a mess (it's a multi-chip driver; about 2/3 down it starts a nasty mess of #ifdefs and separate functions for each variant) Jan 27 15:40:29 I _could_ do some nasty S3C2410A-only thingy, but then GTA02 comes with its S3C2442B which seems to have the nastiest variant of them in the driver (some crazy variable fclk divider) Jan 27 15:42:00 * cesarb LOLs at the current slashdot poll Jan 27 15:43:23 what's the lowest speed the 2442 runs at? Jan 27 15:44:48 Vegar: if it has SLOW (and it probably has), probably 1/14 of the external crystal (if it's the same crystal as the GTA01, this means less than 1MHz) Jan 27 15:45:11 interesting Jan 27 15:45:15 Vegar: of course, probably half of the cores in the chip will go nuts at such low speed Jan 27 15:45:34 Vegar: much like what we're seeing with GTA01 (too slow for the serial, too slow for USB...) Jan 27 15:50:27 cesarb: have you in fact checked that if you bring up the USB core at 12MHZ PCLK - not try to vary it that low - that it doesn't work? Jan 27 15:51:10 Clearly serial has issues, but we know that from the datasheet, USB only says 'may' be unstable Jan 27 15:51:33 SpeedEvil: didn't even try. Actually, I tried some days ago changing from 266000 to 202x00 with the USB plugged, and it misbehaved, so it might be the transitions mess it up too Jan 27 15:51:48 K Jan 27 15:52:28 SpeedEvil: that unstability is probably the USB core state machine getting confused when the cpu core is too slow to reply (which perhaps is the same reason it misbehaved when being used during a transition) Jan 27 15:52:36 yes, probably. Jan 27 15:52:55 But xms at 0Hz is different from 12Mhz Jan 27 15:54:36 SpeedEvil: anyway, with this new code the usb driver should be the one to decide which range of frequencies it want to use (so it could even switch the CPU to full speed when the USB is plugged in, if we can detect that before the USB device core is enabled - wouldn't that be really cool?) Jan 27 15:54:58 :) Jan 27 15:55:40 * cesarb notices he is solving every single problem by adding YET ANOTHER indirection layer, as that saying says... "Every problem in computing can be solved by adding another indirection layer, unless your problem is too many indirection layers" Jan 27 15:55:54 * SpeedEvil continues looking for the perfect fractional-n-synthesiser. Jan 27 16:10:45 is there any real difference with the u-boot 1.3.1 vs the 1.3.0 Jan 27 16:20:22 If you have a version that works, I doubt there's any point in updating it Jan 27 16:20:45 * cesarb mutters "August snapshot uboot" Jan 27 16:22:41 thats what i figured. the update to 1.3.0 was good, probably wait until 1.4.0 Jan 27 16:29:14 hey the latest unstable snapshot is pretty good, finally SMS; cant test it though lol at least the app is working Jan 27 16:33:49 is there a way for identifying an openmoko rootfs atm? Jan 27 16:33:58 no /etc/lsb-release here Jan 27 16:34:15 KrisAbsinthe: once the fundamental problems (gsmd not working, sound not working, battery issues, etc) are solved, I'd expect other things to fall in place rather quickly Jan 27 16:34:24 zilux: LSB??? Jan 27 16:34:56 zilux: why would you want LSB on a _phone_? Jan 27 16:35:02 cesarb: I agree Jan 27 16:35:56 a rootfs normalization is not bad Jan 27 16:38:35 zilux: isn't FHS enough for that? Jan 27 16:39:44 yes, I thought to this. Jan 27 16:39:45 do we have midleware for bluez in neo? I mean something in d-bus for apps to use for pairing and controlling bt? Jan 27 16:39:49 the original question is Jan 27 16:40:01 about identifying the rootfs :-) Jan 27 16:46:22 about lsb-release: Jan 27 16:46:25 http://packages.debian.org/en/sid/lsb-release Jan 27 16:46:26 * Kero whacks his DNS server, edits /etc/hosts and proceeds updating openmoko stuff Jan 27 16:48:54 Division by zero in kernel. <- aaaarrrrgggghhhh Jan 27 16:49:14 THAT's why I always test on qemu first Jan 27 16:50:40 haha, nice Jan 27 16:52:26 *sigh* And the worst is that I had already thought about that case, and simply forgot it. Jan 27 16:52:51 Before the baud rate is set, ->baud is obviously zero! Jan 27 16:54:50 zilux: you have /etc/angstrom-version and /etc/version Jan 27 16:55:04 Vegar: thanks Jan 27 16:55:21 hrrmmm Jan 27 16:55:22 I'm not sure how correct they are though Jan 27 16:56:07 not present in my home built image :-/ Jan 27 16:56:36 well, the numbers were not what you were looking for Jan 27 16:58:45 what's the absolutely easiest way to convert a NMEA log to a .gpx trace? Jan 27 16:59:19 balrog-kun: there's a converter app for gps traces which can convert from almost anything to almost anything, or so I've read Jan 27 16:59:28 balrog-kun: I think I saw it somewhere in the OSM site Jan 27 16:59:48 balrog-kun: using it, if it does that, would probably be the easiest way Jan 27 17:00:00 cesarb: thanks, gonna have a look at the site Jan 27 17:00:37 portage only found "josm" when asked about osm Jan 27 17:01:11 balrog-kun: I don't think it's a OSM app, only that I recall seeing a link to it on the OSM website Jan 27 17:03:29 Urgh, great, when you think you've done it Jan 27 17:03:52 cesarb: was it called Potlatch? Jan 27 17:04:05 balrog-kun: don't remember Jan 27 17:04:15 okays Jan 27 17:04:43 So the code I wrote searches the frequency table downwards, looking for the first frequency where it should have a problem, and treats it as the minimum Jan 27 17:04:45 And then I get Jan 27 17:05:10 170000 - 266000 kHz Jan 27 17:05:13 AAARRRGGGHHH Jan 27 17:05:37 gpsbabel may be what i'm looking for... Jan 27 17:05:57 the next step is 158000, and it gets 2.04%, which is MORE than the 1.87% limit I'm using! Jan 27 17:06:18 someone remind me WHY do we STILL use RS232 and similars Jan 27 17:07:00 cesarb: do we know for certain that the external clock is *not* wired to something in the GTA01? (Is roh about?) Jan 27 17:07:30 mwester: I do know for certain that the gta01-core patch I'm using does not enable uclk on the serial, which implies it's simply not there Jan 27 17:07:50 mwester: and what would it be wired to? 12MHz, which is one of these which fail? Jan 27 17:08:11 The manual notes the limitations of the UART and the built-in clock rather prominently, perhaps when designed someone took the trouble to wire it, but the software doesn't reflect same (or am I being too much of an optimist?) Jan 27 17:08:41 Don't we have a 25 or 33 MHz clock about on the board somewhere? Jan 27 17:08:42 mwester: you are being too much of an optimist IMNSHO... Jan 27 17:08:56 Vegar: a bus error prevented me to get the files. /etc/version and angstrom-version are there. thanks for the info! Jan 27 17:09:32 mwester: we have a 32.768kHz one for the RTC, an unknown value one for the modem, a probably 12MHz for the bluetooth... Jan 27 17:10:28 is it something that woudl be obvious from the schematics? Jan 27 17:10:35 It would seem that unless the GSM can autospeed to something else (which doesn't seem to be working), or there's a better external clock, wwe have problems... Jan 27 17:10:45 balrog-kun: Yes, it should be on the schematics. Jan 27 17:10:59 mwester: we can always comment-out the problematic speeds ;-) Jan 27 17:11:18 then i can look it up but i need to know what i'm looking for exactly Jan 27 17:11:21 But that's pretty much all of the speeds isn't it? Jan 27 17:12:05 mwester: we already have 6 speeds working at the top of the range, some others a bit below it worked fine too... and it's quite possible that my calculation is very conservative Jan 27 17:13:19 balrog-kun: yes, it's very visible in the schematics, just check what's on pin UEXTCLK Jan 27 17:13:35 balrog-kun: We need to know what's on the pin labeled "UEXTCLK/GPH8" Jan 27 17:14:03 (L16 on the FBGA physically...) Jan 27 17:14:55 mwester: PMU PWROK Jan 27 17:14:57 cesarb: seems to be labelled PWR_OKm active high Jan 27 17:15:04 trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/gpio.txt Jan 27 17:15:10 Crud. Jan 27 17:15:15 lol Jan 27 17:15:50 doesn't look like a clk signal Jan 27 17:16:06 balrog-kun: it isn't, it's the "power ok" signal from the pcf chip Jan 27 17:16:29 The pin is in GPIO mode instead of a clock. :( Jan 27 17:16:55 Ok, we're stuck with the freq. that work, I guess. Jan 27 17:17:13 there's also EXTCLK which is connected to IO_3V3 heh Jan 27 17:17:32 cesarb: Does suspend/resume work for you with the serial driver, or are you just working the clock part? Jan 27 17:17:57 mwester: just the cpufreq part, and not only the serial (I'm just a bit stuck on it) Jan 27 17:18:24 mwester: in fact, I want to AVOID having to suspend! Jan 27 17:18:27 Ok. I'm messing with the serial driver (again). It's a real tangled mess. Jan 27 17:18:45 mwester: agree with you on that :P Jan 27 17:20:09 And the manual is rather incomplete. For example, it doesn't tell you what happens if you disable Auto Flow Control while there's data in the FIFO. And it would be really nice to know what happens to the data in the FIFO if you disable the FIFO -- is it lost, or does it clear out? Jan 27 17:20:33 * mwester suspects the FIFO might be related to the failure to resume. Jan 27 17:21:39 mwester: I have some cute code to flush the outgoing fifo (and make the other side stop filling the incoming fifo) on my repository Jan 27 17:22:14 Cool. Then I don't have to write any. (I was hoping we wouldn't have to write any, however...) Jan 27 17:22:55 mwester: actually, it doesn't drain the incoming fifo, only the outgoing one, it just makes the other side stop filling the incoming fifo ;-) Jan 27 17:23:11 mwester: http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=46c3a3b57014391cd4746334ebe43886933fc2a9 <- it's the afc_pause/afc_unpause stuff in this diff Jan 27 17:23:25 :) thanks Jan 27 17:23:42 mwester: and yeah, it's that ugly :( Jan 27 17:24:44 hm, trying to set max to 158000 shows me there are 5 more usable frequencies, and then it stops again at 113000 Jan 27 17:25:25 looks like I have to fudge my code to _mark the unusable frequencies_ instead of just changing the min/max Jan 27 17:25:38 which is something utterly unsupported by the current cpufreq core code Jan 27 17:25:49 meaning it'll be a very ugly kludge Jan 27 17:34:49 woooooo the gps in my neo works with my awful hack Jan 27 17:35:23 * balrog-kun regains the faith in technology, looking at the traces of his wandering around the supermarket in JOSM Jan 27 17:35:23 awful hacks 4tw Jan 27 17:35:28 that's how operating systems are born Jan 27 17:35:43 balrog-kun: you got a lock indoors? Jan 27 17:35:57 is that with GAT01 or one of the supar-sekrit GTA02s? Jan 27 17:36:06 hello Jan 27 17:36:16 ewon: apparently, but there's were some kind of windows in the roof of the mall i think Jan 27 17:36:23 ewon: GTA01 Jan 27 17:36:37 * Sup3rkiddo had fun with JOSM as well Jan 27 17:36:39 qemu gcc thing sucks! Jan 27 17:36:47 anybody going to SCALE? Jan 27 17:36:49 french here ? =) Jan 27 17:37:02 ewon: but the best part is i have no chroot rootfs on the phone and no OABI built into the kernel Jan 27 17:37:15 blckdove: Why mess with it? Do you just get stuck building locales, or are you trying to run the neo emulator? Jan 27 17:37:45 mwester: im trying to build with MokoMakefile.. and that insists of building qemu Jan 27 17:38:17 gentoo and qemu do not get along Jan 27 17:38:26 blckdove: Add the following line to your bulid/conf/local.conf file: Jan 27 17:38:29 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Jan 27 17:38:38 oh.. oki.. thx Jan 27 17:39:07 Fedora and qemu don't get along either. Jan 27 17:39:59 i dont mind doing things on the target at this point.. i just whant the bleeding edge system =D Jan 27 17:40:20 they really should fix qemu on this regard Jan 27 17:42:57 I am intrested on working with bluetooth at system/midleware level.. some d-bus daemon to provide means for the apps to control/pair/etc bt on neo... anyone working somethign like this? Jan 27 17:50:45 mwester: that helped with the qemu thing...thx Jan 27 18:00:33 I added few notes to wiki about gentoo and qemu Jan 27 18:01:53 Seb`: salut Jan 27 18:04:12 * cesarb is starting to get lost, with 3 gvim, 4 gview, 2 konsole, and one gitk, all in a single desktop Jan 27 18:06:43 * blckdove thinks cesarb should consider using multible desktops Jan 27 18:06:52 mm, recompiling (lib)gsmd, should be newest version. Let's see if we can teach the thing to behave, or even teach it new tricks :) Jan 27 18:07:44 * mwester thinks cesarb needs more displays. Jan 27 18:08:19 * balrog-kun needs more hands to type and more heads to think Jan 27 18:08:54 mwester: at least I'm not on work's lappy (1024x768 LCD yay!) Jan 27 18:09:42 blckdove: I *am* using multiple desktops, for instance this one has Konversation, a Konqueror window at my mokomakefile directory tree, and another Konsole Jan 27 18:10:21 salut zilux Jan 27 18:10:22 =) Jan 27 18:10:23 cesarb: Got a new laptop for work last week -- so I went from 1024x768 to 1920x1200 -- my eyes are still adjusting. Jan 27 18:11:17 blckdove: there's another one with Firefox, another one reserved for Thunderbird, another one for Amarok and another Konqueror, another one with a Konqueror pointed at my neo datasheets tree (and a Kpdf with one of the largest of them open) Jan 27 18:11:21 But it runs vmware *very* nicely, so I can now build openmoko in vmware while I'm travelling. Jan 27 18:11:40 some of my friends get annoyed at the frightening amount of windows I leave open at the same time :D Jan 27 18:11:55 mwester: cool, but why not build it native? ;-) Jan 27 18:12:55 :) Our software runs on Linux as well, so it dual-boots into Fedora. The problem is that the vast majority of the disk space is for Windows, and building on a USB-attached drive doesn't seem smart. Jan 27 18:13:18 resize the partitions :) Jan 27 18:13:28 cesarb: it's probably faster in vmware than native :) Jan 27 18:13:34 hello, it's possible to make for openmoko charg other USB method (sorry for my langage, i'm french :o) Jan 27 18:14:14 BTW, does dfu-util run in vmware? Jan 27 18:14:31 Seb`: You want to charge through something else than USB? Jan 27 18:14:48 mwester: good question. I think there was a discussion about that several months ago; I don't recall the outcoming Jan 27 18:14:57 s/outcoming/result/ Jan 27 18:14:58 cesarb meant: mwester: good question. I think there was a discussion about that several months ago; I don't recall the result Jan 27 18:15:07 That might force the issue; I'll have to test that right soon. Jan 27 18:15:09 yes philippe Jan 27 18:15:35 because, my laptop don't follow me Jan 27 18:16:27 Seb`: well there is no other connector. But there are wall-plugs or adaptors (and one should be delivered with the Neo) that look like a normal charger, but have space for the usb plug Jan 27 18:16:47 Seb`: so no need for an PC or laptop to charge the Neo Jan 27 18:18:01 Seb`: I use this: http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00027696.html Jan 27 18:18:12 thanks Jan 27 18:25:49 ScaredyCat: have you audio back? Jan 27 18:26:01 I do Jan 27 18:26:23 what was the issue? Jan 27 18:26:24 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=101 Jan 27 18:26:25 and ? Jan 27 18:26:32 something odd .. but I'd cleaned out and rebuilt (just uploading) Jan 27 18:26:50 yesterday I suddenly lose audio too :-/ Jan 27 18:27:01 * Stephmw hangs head in shame Jan 27 18:27:07 * Stephmw sighs loudly.... he's one of the proud fathers of a bouncing baby software patent :( Jan 27 18:27:15 basically the wm8753 kernel modules wouldn;t load Jan 27 18:27:25 but they were from the right build Jan 27 18:27:51 copying them from the modules tarball from the same build cured it.. Jan 27 18:27:53 ok thanks Jan 27 18:28:13 but I've cleaered it all out and rebuilt since, so new builds are fine Jan 27 18:28:30 not sure about the original cause.. Jan 27 18:29:01 the size of the rootfs was ok? Jan 27 18:30:33 that was a different issue... Jan 27 18:30:41 it was adding in qtopia too! Jan 27 18:31:13 are you getting issues flashing it ? Jan 27 18:32:03 in fact, here mokomakefile built image Jan 27 18:32:06 I need to run out to get prepaid card for neo... tired of switching sim card over 2 phones =D Jan 27 18:32:18 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 Jan 27 18:32:26 is a working one Jan 27 18:33:23 ok thanks Jan 27 18:35:26 does openmoko have QT support? Jan 27 18:35:29 Random question Jan 27 18:36:05 Considering this is the openmoko channel, your question is hardly random. Jan 27 18:36:28 pmw: Very, very true Jan 27 18:36:49 Some people are interested in me porting a qt app, but I am not sure there is any development efforts in that arena Jan 27 18:37:08 om uses gtk... Jan 27 18:37:50 ScaredyCat: I know, but I was wondering if there are qt headways in progress Jan 27 18:37:58 I am sure your box uses gtk but can also run qt apps... Jan 27 18:38:18 bkruse: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Why_Not_QT Jan 27 18:38:19 bkruse, that does not make sense in a mobile device Jan 27 18:38:21 Of course, OM has specialized gtk widgets, that is all I needed to know ScaredyCat, thanks :] Jan 27 18:38:27 yeah, but I have 120gb hdd Jan 27 18:38:32 (and I use kde) Jan 27 18:38:33 jku: totally agreed Jan 27 18:38:35 ScaredyCat: agreed Jan 27 18:38:45 bkruse: read that wiki article Jan 27 18:39:22 done, thanks guys Jan 27 18:40:03 I am thinking of porting pidgin, what do you guys think? Jan 27 18:40:09 I want to add some voip stuff to it anyways... Jan 27 18:40:57 bkruse, using libpurple is a good idea, but I doubt the UI is very portable Jan 27 18:41:05 Stephmw: "bouncing baby"? Jan 27 18:41:51 jku: You might be right...libpurple is a good idea Jan 27 18:42:09 I wonder. I would be interested just to see what it would look like with the moko gtk widgets Jan 27 18:42:23 If they just used widgets and did not hardcode values...hmm Jan 27 18:42:58 Kero: I had my name put as a co-inventor on a software patent... I did try to get them to drop the silly notion. The damn thing was granted dec 27 Jan 27 18:44:59 that's how these things go, esp when someone needs to reach a target before the end of the year :( Jan 27 18:45:00 Anyone know where openmoko-messages stores the SMSes that it has read? Jan 27 18:45:19 * Kero is co-author of one or two doubtfull patents as well. Jan 27 18:45:48 Kero: EU and WO... no US thankfully - I seem to have problems with my spamfolder eating their requests Jan 27 18:46:18 no US? usually easier to get the patent there... Jan 27 18:46:56 EU company, so that's where they started Jan 27 18:47:00 Mammux: it shouldnt be that hard to find in the code Jan 27 18:47:03 (and let nobody be fooled that sw patents would not be possible in EU, there's about 10k of them) Jan 27 18:47:18 I'd estimate them more at 40-50k Jan 27 18:47:27 they're just _currently_ unenforceable Jan 27 18:47:39 growing fast... Jan 27 18:47:47 aye Jan 27 18:56:15 The openmoko-messages refers to PKGDATADIR/folderlist, PKGDATADIR/GetMail.png and lots of other things, but I can't find any of those files on my neo with find. Jan 27 18:56:42 And I received an SMS that makes openmoko-messages crash every time I start it .. Jan 27 18:56:47 find / -name "folderlist" Jan 27 18:57:07 libgsmd-tools crashes when it tries to read SMS, too. Jan 27 18:57:56 so is openmoko-messages reported to read *some* SMS, at least? Jan 27 18:58:01 yes, in the shell mode. In the sms mode I just get a cms error that my index is illegal when I try to list all sms-es. Jan 27 18:58:17 wow, that depends on mode? puny. Jan 27 18:59:11 (and it has an sms-mode? since when?) Jan 27 18:59:55 (I meant at command mode) Jan 27 19:00:05 (ok) Jan 27 19:00:19 I got the popup on the home screen that says '2 new messages' Jan 27 19:00:44 and yes, bkruse, that's the find command that finds nothing Jan 27 19:02:01 aren't they stored in that database? Jan 27 19:03:04 evolution data server, or is that contacts only? Jan 27 19:04:32 Quite possibly. Is there another way to get at that? Jan 27 19:04:47 my sd card it's no find by neo... Jan 27 19:07:44 * cesarb wonders if it's a bad sign that he just wrote a comment starting with "This is subtle." Jan 27 19:12:16 cesarb: comment-smell :) Jan 27 19:13:08 things can be subtle. but given what you were doing today... Jan 27 19:13:09 YAY, stupid source code made me work for results Jan 27 19:14:01 * Kero thinks evolution data server does VCARDS and ICAL, not designed for text messages. Jan 27 19:14:35 * cesarb sprinkles a few more comments around the code to be sure it gets easier to understand Jan 27 19:14:41 may be some form of NOTE gets abused Jan 27 19:14:57 btw: the first hit on google code search for "this is subtle" is the infamous Mork code :D Jan 27 19:15:06 Will I ever be able to sync my Neo1973's to-list with KDE ? Jan 27 19:16:33 Thats what im working on Jan 27 19:16:58 KrisAbsinthe: have you got a page ? Jan 27 19:18:09 no, just started coding 2 days ago, its called MokoManager. ill add a release in a day or two, so for it can configure host PC and upload/backup firmware images Jan 27 19:18:55 working on the network side of things right now, ill start the PIM sync stuff soon Jan 27 19:19:57 KrisAbsinthe: what language ? Jan 27 19:20:30 using a basic derivative coupled with some shell scripts for customization Jan 27 19:20:50 basic derivative ? Jan 27 19:21:11 vb vb he's useing vb Jan 27 19:21:13 :P Jan 27 19:21:14 its called Gambas like VB for linux. its a decent RAD Jan 27 19:21:25 Prawns Jan 27 19:21:28 ScaredyCat: wow, you DID guess it right :P Jan 27 19:21:34 lol Jan 27 19:21:42 good for RAD Jan 27 19:21:54 hmm Jan 27 19:22:05 KrisAbsinthe: you know, people usually don't admit ever touching VB ;-) Jan 27 19:22:28 i learned it like 12 years ago Jan 27 19:22:30 the ide looks ok Jan 27 19:23:12 its not bad. i like the tool kit portability, I will be able to switch from QT to GTK real easy Jan 27 19:23:52 * ScaredyCat is fighting with gtk layouts Jan 27 19:27:02 * cesarb is brave enough to admit he first programmed in _QBasic_ Jan 27 19:27:53 nowt wrong with that... Jan 27 19:28:17 what's the trick with usb networking and gta01? Jan 27 19:28:17 (in fact, it went like QBasic->Turbo Pascal->DJGPP, and I already forgot everything about basic and pascal, except that pointers in pascal are ^ not *) Jan 27 19:28:17 QBasic was great, i liked the game with the Purple apes lol Jan 27 19:28:47 jku: what do you need to do, route to the internet? Jan 27 19:28:47 * drath started with Commodore Basic v2, and is proud about it ;) Jan 27 19:28:49 I've had usb networking functioning fine, but getting it going again is just voodoo Jan 27 19:29:19 when I try to bring the usb interface up on my laptop, I get: Jan 27 19:29:27 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Jan 27 19:29:31 jku: well, I have some udev rules, and a configuration on /etc/network/interfaces I made long ago, so I only have to do "sudo ifdown usb0; sudo ifup usb0" and it works Jan 27 19:29:42 cesarb, me too Jan 27 19:29:54 when it works, it works fabulously Jan 27 19:30:06 nothing wrong with basic as long as you're in primary school ;) Jan 27 19:30:14 jku: "when it works, it works fabulously" <- isn't it how EVERYTHING is on moko-land? Jan 27 19:30:18 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 up is what you did? Jan 27 19:30:32 cesarb, hah! Jan 27 19:30:33 jku: check that you have the cdc_ether and usbnet modules Jan 27 19:30:48 mmontour, I do Jan 27 19:30:50 * cesarb suddenly remembers LOGO! how could he forget it? Before QBasic, it was some LOGO variant on the school's Color 64 computers Jan 27 19:31:34 I think I still have my old logo programs printed out in fanfold somewhere buried below the old hardware peripherals Jan 27 19:31:43 heh, never got to LOGO - when i first wanted a computer my parents found the C64 a lot cheaper at a discounter Jan 27 19:32:16 KrisAbsinthe, 192.168.0.200 is what I use for the laptop, but otherwise yes Jan 27 19:32:41 should I see something in host logs when I plug the phone to usb? Jan 27 19:32:47 ah, thought you meant on the neo's side Jan 27 19:32:59 check dmesg after jacking in Jan 27 19:33:06 KrisAbsinthe, right, I was unclear Jan 27 19:33:09 jku: yes, on the kernel log, and possibly some hal/dbus noise Jan 27 19:33:22 it does sound like the cdc_ether or usb_net module is not loading Jan 27 19:33:24 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:10.2-1, CDC Ethernet Device, b2:07:73:1b:c5:73 Jan 27 19:35:11 that's the problem then, I see nothing in logs when I plug the usb in Jan 27 19:36:00 jku: not even the "usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64" or something like that? Jan 27 19:36:12 cesarb, nothing Jan 27 19:36:22 if you don't see even the "new full speed USB device" part, your cable or port is hosed (most probably the cable) Jan 27 19:36:38 (or, perhaps, you got a buggy kernel which doesn't enable USB correctly ;-) ) Jan 27 19:36:44 (on the neo I mean) Jan 27 19:37:32 cesarb, I'm thinking neo is fine -- I had usb networking going for days, but had to disconnect today... Jan 27 19:37:58 cable could be the problem, or the usb port in either end Jan 27 19:38:42 now i got it Jan 27 19:39:08 jku: I say cable because the cable I use (my rusty old Zire 72 cable) is a bit wonky (due to being hanged in odd positions for a long time while connecting the Zire to the computer) Jan 27 19:39:19 jku: I have to avoid twisting it too much Jan 27 19:39:19 luck or usb problem, but after removing all other devices the neo becomes visible Jan 27 19:40:01 jku: if the other devices are on a unpowered hub, it could be usb power problems (either you are using too much power, or worse you are using too much power and not letting the kernel know) Jan 27 19:40:31 jku: whats your distro Jan 27 19:40:43 in the first case I should see a message in logs at least Jan 27 19:40:51 ubuntu 7.10 Jan 27 19:41:01 thats what im running Jan 27 19:42:16 but yeah, it's definitely a laptop-usb problem. now my usb keyboard isn't connecting ;( Jan 27 19:42:40 well on the bright side, its not the neo Jan 27 19:42:57 KrisAbsinthe, exactly! Jan 27 19:43:03 wohoo Jan 27 19:43:18 jku: I would apply the Windows problem-solving method to that Jan 27 19:43:31 jku: reboot ;-) (with a full power cycle, including taking the battery off) Jan 27 19:43:32 install a different os? Jan 27 19:43:45 lol Jan 27 19:43:58 give debian a shot, i like it best Jan 27 19:44:32 in windows world solution is always rebooting, in linux it's always another distro Jan 27 19:45:52 jku: the folks switching distros to make $SOMETHING work that doesn't work in their current distro are just too lazy to figure out the problem Jan 27 19:46:17 same goes for rebooting in Windows of course... Jan 27 19:46:28 unless you switch from redhat. thats just a good move Jan 27 19:46:39 and it generally doesn't solve the problem, unless you switch from slackware Jan 27 19:46:48 lol Jan 27 19:47:33 Yay, the code I'm working on seems to work Jan 27 19:47:34 but I wouldn't have this problem in slack -- or do they have a kernel with usb support already? Jan 27 19:49:01 if the distro kernel is f*cked (which they usually are in some way or another) just build your own vanilla kernel ;) Jan 27 19:49:32 that is the best solution Jan 27 19:50:41 * Mononoke wonders what are the roots of calling original linux releases "vanilla" Jan 27 19:50:49 right, got a x86 natively compiled gsmd + libgsmd-tools. Now let's build a little test framework around it :) Jan 27 19:50:55 ok, it's definitely a thinkpad problem. One usb port always registers all devices, the other two (on the other side) do not register neo or the keyboard (but do dome others)... weird Jan 27 19:51:01 Mononoke: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/v/vanilla.html Jan 27 19:51:14 or perhaps I should first see how mature this particular version is, by copying the arm version onto the Neo... Jan 27 19:51:52 cesarb: heh thx Jan 27 19:52:09 Hehe the openmoko-messages source I was looking at was outdated. So outdated it had a static set of demo messages in a .h file. Jan 27 19:52:14 thanks for the hints to log files Jan 27 19:53:24 * cesarb disables the "adc_read" messages which were driving him crazy Jan 27 20:00:11 Wjat were those - the display? Jan 27 20:00:44 SpeedEvil: the debug output of the PCF chip driver Jan 27 20:00:55 ah Jan 27 20:01:05 SpeedEvil: which was printed to the dmesg to the tune of 4-5 lines per second Jan 27 20:02:38 making it harder to see MY dmesg spam, cpufreq.debug=7 cpufreq.debug_ratelimit=0 ;-) Jan 27 20:02:40 I'm abusing the API and doing subtle things; I need the debug output! Jan 27 20:04:29 Ref. the SMS-es that I couldn't find. They are in: /home/root/.evolution/memos/local/system Jan 27 20:05:20 * cesarb wishes OM would stop with this "root" nonsense Jan 27 20:05:48 We have a multi-user system capable of billions of different user IDs, and it has to use "root" for everything? Jan 27 20:06:34 * Mammux agrees with cesarb Jan 27 20:09:52 IT WORKS! (on qemu at least, now let's see on real hardware) Jan 27 20:10:54 * Mononoke imagines having 100 users of one phone Jan 27 20:11:36 Mononoke: that's nothing Jan 27 20:13:16 Mononoke: Imagine a Beowulf cluste of these! Jan 27 20:13:16 s/cluste/cluster/ Jan 27 20:13:17 cesarb meant: Mononoke: Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these! Jan 27 20:13:18 well I don't see why or how, maybe in some company you could have company mobile phones and each time you take one you just login, it might be good for accounting Jan 27 20:14:08 what are the gsmd_plugin_ ipkgs ? Jan 27 20:17:25 cesarb: put your neo inside a plastic bag first Jan 27 20:18:00 ScaredyCat: ? Jan 27 20:18:09 *evil laugh* IT WORKS! Jan 27 20:18:23 so when the smoke escapes you will have it all Jan 27 20:18:32 ScaredyCat: ... Jan 27 20:18:39 smoke... Jan 27 20:18:39 brb, dinner Jan 27 20:18:47 it;s what makes electronics wokr Jan 27 20:18:50 work Jan 27 20:19:04 if you let it out... it breaks Jan 27 20:20:46 thats funny Jan 27 20:21:01 it's not funny... it;s true.. Jan 27 20:21:37 it may be funny when it happens to someone else Jan 27 20:24:23 After some more investigation, it turns out that the reason openmoko-messages crashed was some data I had put in the addressbook that worked fine in the addressbook app but crashed the messages app. Jan 27 20:29:04 Mammux: eh? lousy :) Jan 27 20:30:12 * cesarb is back Jan 27 20:30:31 aaaand... it was all that time running on the "conservative" governor! Jan 27 20:30:49 and gsmd didn't die Jan 27 20:31:08 now, to find out how to use this "freq stats" thingy... Jan 27 20:40:21 odd, the "stats" dir should be there. ah well. Jan 27 20:47:06 heh, "ondemand" is interesting, if it weren't for the flicker due to the missing LCD driver it wouldn't be possible to even feel the difference Jan 27 20:47:28 Wooh! Jan 27 20:47:31 ondemand is a bit aggressive Jan 27 20:47:38 you do know about the hack? Jan 27 20:47:54 cesarb: 2.6.24 is reported to run on the GTA01 btw. Jan 27 20:49:34 Vegar: yeah, already saw that Jan 27 20:50:01 Vegar: but I'm not adding an unknown (2.6.24 is much less tested) to my testing right now Jan 27 20:50:07 SpeedEvil: hack? Jan 27 20:52:23 cesarb: I mean fbset -pixclock Jan 27 20:53:07 SpeedEvil: that wouldn't do, since fbset cannot know the frequency is changing (and it changes several times per second!) Jan 27 20:53:13 ah Jan 27 20:54:19 well, now to rebase this thing, merge all the followup patches, and start checking another driver Jan 27 20:55:33 WOAH Jan 27 20:56:00 ? Jan 27 20:56:04 EXTREMLY bizarre LCM glitch when shutting down Jan 27 20:56:23 some wierd color-shifting with scrolling bar, and then it became all orange and faded... Jan 27 20:56:44 1Hz refresh just looks wierd Jan 27 20:57:01 SpeedEvil: AH! Jan 27 20:57:16 fbset -pixclock 3255208 Jan 27 20:57:17 SpeedEvil: of course, when gsmd is killed, my new code suddenly decides it can now go as far down as 1Hz... Jan 27 20:57:34 SpeedEvil: that explains it, thanks, it got me worried for a moment :P Jan 27 20:57:37 Nice! Jan 27 20:58:04 *note to self: add something on the shutdown script path to change to the performance governor* Jan 27 20:58:18 naah Jan 27 20:58:30 s/1Hz/1MHz/ Jan 27 20:58:32 add something to the LCD driver to add a constraint if the LCD is on Jan 27 20:58:48 SpeedEvil: just to explore the new constraint code, eh? ;-) Jan 27 20:59:33 I'll end up having to do that... It was the whl Jan 27 20:59:49 I'll end up having to do that... It was the whole point of adding a generic policy limits code, after all Jan 27 21:09:35 having problems with MokoMake Jan 27 21:09:38 http://pastebin.ca/875429 Jan 27 21:16:18 nevermind... patches dir was missing, added that and copied the patch-... file in there fixed the problem Jan 27 21:19:09 tuning the on-call volume slider a bit down seems to have eliminated most of the annoying echo thing Jan 27 21:19:15 which is nice Jan 27 21:22:53 * Kero shakes his head as he reads +CFUN docs (specifically ) Jan 27 21:23:51 CEE FUN Jan 27 22:13:29 * StealthCP is gone Jan 27 23:22:02 anyone know what dfu_upload error -62 is Jan 27 23:25:59 is it possible to run the gps without filling up the fs with a log? Jan 27 23:26:20 KrisAbsinthe: depends on your architecture. For mine, it's #define ETIME 62 /* Timer expired */ Jan 27 23:26:32 KrisAbsinthe: (guessing that's an errno value, of course) Jan 27 23:28:02 that sounds about right. writing backup code for my app. It did take a while Jan 27 23:53:59 bmidgley, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin Jan 28 00:31:36 /query Elrond hello world Jan 28 00:38:12 what kind of connector is needed for an external gps antenna? I would like to get one on Ebay , someone mentions that Navilock NL-65AT works. Jan 28 00:38:22 My question is what kind of connector is it? Jan 28 00:41:21 "Externally-accessible GPS antenna connector of type MMCX" is in the wiki... Jan 28 00:46:21 2110 :] Jan 28 00:53:56 is it possible to attach an external antenna to the gsm modem? (besides opening/cutting the case) Jan 28 00:54:27 i get meh reception at home, it would be nice to plug it into something when i'm there Jan 28 00:58:10 vindicator_mode! Jan 28 01:16:23 * jr1 admits he is blind... thanks Jan 28 01:57:46 What is an app that uses the mic that I can view source from? Jan 28 01:57:59 My alsa program works great, however, the microphone is not working Jan 28 01:59:06 hey Jan 28 02:14:02 yeah, hooked a pseudo-tty into my testing framework and let gsmd connect to that. Jan 28 02:15:30 now stack libgsmd on top of that, call that from the testing framework and mock the gsm firmware. Jan 28 02:15:48 that's good enough for testing gsmd and libgsmd :) Jan 28 02:27:02 dumps too much info over the pty... (stdout, too) but I really should eat first... Jan 28 02:35:45 hi just a question with the openmoko - will it work without a sim in it (i assume so) and can you turn the phone component off (like "airport" mode on other devices) Jan 28 02:36:26 --> or are these just software wishlist things for the moment Jan 28 02:37:18 * Kero smiles as he sees the gsmd commands streaming by. Jan 28 02:38:00 fair enough - don't turn on gsmd :) Jan 28 02:38:04 i take it :) Jan 28 02:38:06 dbmoodb: switching phone part off is easy. Jan 28 02:38:21 mad :) -- that is so cool so you can just /etc/init.d/gsmd stop ? Jan 28 02:38:51 assuming that nicely kills the phone functionality :) Jan 28 02:39:00 ok i will Jan 28 02:39:04 and that is way cool Jan 28 02:39:24 -- i guess i can kill the phone too :) Jan 28 02:39:45 and then you have a good-looking pda/musicplayer/fullfledgedlinuxmachine Jan 28 02:54:29 Although you should be aware that killing gsmd or shutting it down does *NOT* meet the airlines rules. Jan 28 02:55:07 Shutting down gsmd does not (presently) power off the actual GSM radio, it remains active and able to transmit. Jan 28 02:55:27 So if you fly with the neo, you must remove the battery. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 28 02:59:57 2008