**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 31 02:59:56 2008 Jan 31 07:04:24 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3989 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/libgsmd/misc.h src/util/shell.c): gsmd: network registration query status (Paulius Zaleckas) Jan 31 07:37:42 oelewapperke: sorry about yesterday ... the internet went down again Jan 31 07:38:00 * * OM Bug 1208 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com Jan 31 07:38:01 * * Run Packagekitd failed Jan 31 07:38:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1208 Jan 31 08:00:48 Do we know how much current GTA02 can supply out its powered usb port yet? Jan 31 08:09:11 good morning Jan 31 09:05:36 openmoko: 03werner * r3990 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 09:05:36 openmoko: From: Willie Jan 31 09:05:36 openmoko: define_gta02A5.patch Jan 31 09:05:36 openmoko: Add GTAv5 system revision. Jan 31 09:05:36 openmoko: gta02-core.patch: Jan 31 09:05:37 openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (mangle_pmu_pdata_by_system_rev, Jan 31 09:05:39 openmoko: gta02_glamo_mmc_set_power), arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c Jan 31 09:13:19 http://www.math-linux.com site dedicated to mathematics and Linux Jan 31 09:14:03 I hate these spams... Jan 31 09:14:21 really... Stop it, nobody cares. Jan 31 09:14:55 MecSympaTiK: http://www.jobsafe.se site dedicated for people spamming (NSFW) Jan 31 09:15:52 openmoko: 03werner * r3991 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_hcd.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 09:15:52 openmoko: [PATCH 1/3] ar6k: Asynchronous SDIO IRQ handling Jan 31 09:15:52 openmoko: We now notify the SDIO stack asynchronously when we receive an SDIO Jan 31 09:15:52 openmoko: interrupt. Jan 31 09:15:52 openmoko: By doing so we make sure the notification is atomic, and that allows Jan 31 09:15:54 openmoko: us to get rid of the ugly dsta double checking. Jan 31 09:15:58 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz Jan 31 09:17:08 eeeeuuuww i just clicked that link lol Jan 31 09:17:37 zedstar: I kind of hoped noone except spammers would :) Jan 31 09:18:18 Fatal: You're a more efficient spammer than MecSympaTiK :) Jan 31 09:18:29 lol....for that u should now click 2girls1cup.com Jan 31 09:18:55 zedstar: or 2girls100eels.com (don't) Jan 31 09:19:06 lol Jan 31 09:21:10 whoops my hand slipped and i clicked the link lol Jan 31 09:21:20 openmoko: 03werner * r3992 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: Jan 31 09:21:20 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH 2/3] ar6k: WPA support Jan 31 09:21:20 openmoko: This patch enables WPA support for the ar6k driver. Jan 31 09:21:20 openmoko: For WPA to work properly, we need a patched WPA supplicant, and I'll Jan 31 09:21:20 openmoko: send that later on. Jan 31 09:21:21 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz Jan 31 09:21:22 not had breakfast yet Jan 31 09:21:55 I'm not hungry anymore... :/ Jan 31 09:22:43 openmoko: 03werner * r3993 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 09:22:43 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH 3/3] ar6k: Scan request synchronization Jan 31 09:22:43 openmoko: We now wait for the scan done event before returning from the wireless Jan 31 09:22:43 openmoko: extension scan call. Jan 31 09:22:43 openmoko: This way we make sure that userspace doesn't ask for scan results before Jan 31 09:22:47 openmoko: we actually have them. Jan 31 09:22:49 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz Jan 31 09:23:28 what do you mean - wifi without wpa is just silly Jan 31 09:24:19 Well - not really if you simply use vpn Jan 31 09:25:20 .. anyone that's not useing at least wpa on their ap is asking for problems Jan 31 09:25:31 pfft, sensitive data is application level encrypted anyways Jan 31 09:25:38 * XorA has a better method of security Jan 31 09:25:59 http://www.google.com/views?q=openmoko+view%3Amap&vwwh=&btnGm=Search&esrch=RefinementBarTopViewTabs Jan 31 09:26:13 hello, anyone from israel? i don't really understand what cellphone network providers use for their networks and how does it all go with openmoko Jan 31 09:26:17 right... so your entire network would be encrypted mjr... Jan 31 09:26:56 lousygarua: according to my searc Jan 31 09:27:14 lousygarua: according to my search Israel provides gsm at bands 900/1800, so openmoko should work without issue Jan 31 09:28:03 lousygarua: openmoko of course works (in principle) with any network. The first hardware - GTA01 - will also work without problems Jan 31 09:28:09 thanks oelewapperke. basically, i just get an openmoko and then i need my provider to activate an account for it? Jan 31 09:28:24 Israel also supports the amerikan standard CDMA, which openmoko doesn't support Jan 31 09:29:31 well i'm asking as a future moko developer that just don't understand cellphone networks Jan 31 09:29:36 lousygarua: the GTA01 hardware is as any other GSM phone. Jan 31 09:30:00 SpeedEvil, thanks. I guess you both answered my question Jan 31 09:30:02 lousygarua: if you have a SIM card, it should just work generally. Jan 31 09:30:32 SpeedEvil: yeah but my provider doesn't let its users play around with SIM cards.... I need to contact them or just switch. Jan 31 09:32:01 lousygarua: it's probable in that case that you're not GSM Jan 31 09:32:31 lousygarua: so will need to switch Jan 31 09:32:53 lousygarua: there are GSM phones without exchangable SIM cards, but they are rare. Jan 31 09:33:38 SpeedEvil, i'm switching in about a year, i hate my provider either way. Jan 31 09:40:40 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3994 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (Makefile.am machine_telit.c vendor_telit.c): gsmd: Patch for Telit GM862 GSM modem (Florian Boor) Jan 31 09:44:28 mornin Jan 31 09:46:34 How do I start OM2007.2 from the MokoMakefile? :P Jan 31 09:50:53 openmoko: 03werner * r3995 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 09:50:53 openmoko: bugfix-motion-sensors-suspend.patch Jan 31 09:50:53 openmoko: Current motion sensor driver in svn chokes resume, this fixes it. Jan 31 09:50:53 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green Jan 31 09:50:53 openmoko: gta02-acc.patch: Jan 31 09:50:55 openmoko: - drivers/input/misc/lis302dl.c (lis302dl_suspend, lis302dl_resume): disable Jan 31 09:50:59 openmoko: the SPI interrupt while in suspend Jan 31 10:01:00 * * OM Bug 1209 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com Jan 31 10:01:01 * * cannot dial emegency call 112 from dialer Jan 31 10:01:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1209 Jan 31 10:01:36 openmoko: 03werner * r3996 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: Jan 31 10:01:36 openmoko: Patch contained include/asm/arch-s3c2410/gta02.h twice, causing havoc. Jan 31 10:01:36 openmoko: Funny. Is quilt acting up ? Jan 31 10:02:55 How do I start openmoko when I have installed the mokomakefile? :P Jan 31 10:03:27 in qemu? Jan 31 10:05:55 yes Jan 31 10:06:58 zash_, yes* :P Jan 31 10:08:01 make qemu Jan 31 10:08:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Jan 31 10:09:41 ah thx Jan 31 10:19:09 openmoko: 03werner * r3997 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 10:19:09 openmoko: fix-compile-warnings.patch Jan 31 10:19:09 openmoko: Couple of our files generate compile warnings - fix 'em. Jan 31 10:19:09 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green Jan 31 10:19:09 openmoko: --- Jan 31 10:19:11 openmoko: drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50633.c | 4 ++-- Jan 31 10:19:13 openmoko: patches/pcf50633.patch: Jan 31 10:26:47 hi guys Jan 31 10:27:01 is there any relevant news about power management? Jan 31 10:37:15 hi, does anyone know if there's any way to put back the old keyboard :( Jan 31 10:37:23 I really don't like the multi-tap variant Jan 31 10:37:40 screen real estate has been severely hampered Jan 31 10:40:30 rwhitby: does MokoMakefile pick up new image names on its own, or do you have to add some stuff? Jan 31 10:41:20 I need to add a target for each image Jan 31 10:42:20 XorA: what's the new image? and has the uboot-openmoko to u-boot-openmoko change propagated everywhere now? Jan 31 10:42:53 rwhitby: openmoko-qtopia-image is now in OM mtn Jan 31 10:43:17 openmoko: 03werner * r3998 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c2410-qt2410-buttons.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 31 10:43:17 openmoko: fix-compile-warnings.patch (2/2) Jan 31 10:43:17 openmoko: Couple of our files generate compile warnings - fix 'em. Jan 31 10:43:17 openmoko: Also the fail paths on gta01kbd_probe() were broken, fixed. Jan 31 10:43:17 openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green Jan 31 10:43:19 openmoko: --- Jan 31 10:43:23 openmoko: drivers/input/keyboard/qt2410kbd.c | 37 +++++++++++++++++++++++++----------- Jan 31 10:44:31 rwhitby: I think so, OM mtn looks like it is all u-boot Jan 31 10:48:50 ok, I'll remove that work-around at the same time as I add the qtopia targets. Jan 31 10:52:52 * rwhitby kicks off "make qtopia" to test the Makefile changes ... Jan 31 10:56:59 Cool Euro Jobs site ===> new-gen employment eu Jan 31 10:59:00 rwhitby: there will probably be native stuff you need like libxtst-dev to complete the build :-( Jan 31 11:18:18 openmoko: 03chris * r3999 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): Jan 31 11:18:18 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (set_window_title): Jan 31 11:18:18 openmoko: Don't set an empty operator name Jan 31 11:19:14 openmoko: 03chris * r4000 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): Jan 31 11:19:14 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (on_network_registered): Jan 31 11:19:14 openmoko: Register to network on unregister Jan 31 11:24:35 seattle Jan 31 11:24:37 in 2064 lol Jan 31 11:27:41 openmoko: 03chris * r4001 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): Jan 31 11:27:41 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (retry_register), Jan 31 11:27:41 openmoko: (on_network_registered), (moko_network_init): Jan 31 11:27:41 openmoko: Add a 60-second time-out for network registration before retrying Jan 31 11:32:51 openmoko: 03chris * r4002 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): Jan 31 11:32:51 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (stop_retrying_registration), Jan 31 11:32:51 openmoko: (on_network_registered), (on_pin_requested): Jan 31 11:32:51 openmoko: Stop the network registration retrying when a pin request is received Jan 31 12:15:54 XorA: yep, needed to install libxtst-dev Jan 31 12:29:16 XorA: in oe dev ? Jan 31 12:29:32 ScaredyCat: no Jan 31 12:29:33 * ScaredyCat doesn;t see it, Jan 31 12:29:41 ahh ok Jan 31 12:30:10 so I can kkep mine for now then Jan 31 12:30:41 ScaredyCat: its not good enough for OE.dev yet Jan 31 12:30:50 !!! Jan 31 12:30:54 wtf Jan 31 12:32:16 ScaredyCat: whats up? Jan 31 12:32:34 well, I'd have thought you'd have it in a snip... Jan 31 12:32:41 if I managed to build one... Jan 31 12:33:10 ScaredyCat: well its all the reliance on host stuff Jan 31 12:33:24 ScaredyCat: of course if you have a way around that, let me know :-) Jan 31 12:34:08 I can;t remember if I had to nstall anyhtng extra .. was that long ago :/ Jan 31 12:34:29 ScaredyCat: also, zecke has plans for qtopia-core in OE.dev that I wont trample on Jan 31 12:35:34 that seems to be taking a long time though Jan 31 12:38:13 13:37 - food time Jan 31 13:13:22 Heyah, any one know when the next community update is due? I checked the wiki, and the last one was on the 10th of jan Jan 31 13:14:54 They could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you. Jan 31 13:15:07 (this is the reason for some developers stopping contributing) Jan 31 13:16:56 http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/mws-extensions Jan 31 13:17:46 * ScaredyCat gets to work Jan 31 13:18:40 anyone working actively on moko bluetooth? I mean registration,PIN/device management etc? Jan 31 13:36:21 blckdove: for pan, yes, why? Jan 31 13:41:41 pan? Jan 31 13:41:53 no I was just wondering Jan 31 13:42:01 where to contribute Jan 31 13:43:52 I think there should be damon that handles seaches, pairing, storing devices, reconnections, filetransfers etc... along side with small gui app that lists devices, enters pins etc Jan 31 13:44:26 and I could be intrested to do something like that, but if someone is already working on it... Jan 31 13:46:22 wiki mentions that there are plans for bt things in neo... but does not specify any more than that Jan 31 13:51:38 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:40 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:42 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:43 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:46 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:48 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:51:50 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ Jan 31 13:58:32 this'll be interesting, the piratebay in court Jan 31 13:58:50 XorA: hmm? Jan 31 14:00:42 Mononoke: they just been charged Jan 31 14:02:56 link to news? or its not in english ? Jan 31 14:03:08 they have been charged so many times.. Jan 31 14:03:23 not that it has much todo with this channels topic. :) Jan 31 14:04:32 let's say that it's about p2p and openmoko uses p2p build system so somehow it is related ... >.> Jan 31 14:07:51 Mononoke: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7219802.stm Jan 31 14:08:45 its gotta be a better topic than the spam bots that are invading these days :-) Jan 31 14:09:16 http://thepiratebay.org/blog/100 << they already made some respond to it heh Jan 31 14:33:03 what's the difference between GTA02V5 and GTA02A5 ? Jan 31 14:44:33 21 Jan 31 14:45:41 CVirus: same device, different spelling Jan 31 14:46:09 I see Jan 31 14:48:40 not knowing better, I'd probably assume A would be "American" thus 850 Jan 31 14:49:05 but I remind you that I really don't know ;] Jan 31 14:49:58 no Jan 31 14:50:13 gta01 has version A and B Jan 31 14:50:22 gta02 has only version A Jan 31 14:50:29 both had revisions Jan 31 14:50:50 so thats why GTA02A5 -> GTA02 version A 5th revision Jan 31 14:51:10 Ack Jan 31 15:04:09 blckdove: it would be great if you could post your question about "moko bluetooth" to the Community list. Jan 31 15:04:24 I am also interested by the answers. Jan 31 15:04:45 gah. wish abiword would show the GSM docs better. Looked at them on Windows today, and just two little images told me what I needed. Jan 31 15:06:16 round-trip libgsmd -> gsmd -> emulated firmware -> gsmd -> libgsmd done. Testing framework for (lib)gsmd nearing 0.9 release :) Jan 31 15:06:30 now back to work. Jan 31 15:38:49 * SpeedEvil ponders. Jan 31 15:39:02 Just noticed someone doing blogging on his new baby. Jan 31 15:39:09 From the delivery room. Jan 31 15:39:27 ^^ Jan 31 15:39:32 * SpeedEvil wonders if you can be too connected. Jan 31 15:40:06 dont they usualy have "NO CELLPHONES HERE OR WE WILL KILL YOU" at hospitals? Jan 31 15:43:48 zash_, former, no; latter, yes Jan 31 15:44:16 SpeedEvil, where? in the debian live channel someone posted about his "new debian live girl" =) Jan 31 15:44:29 -girl +boy Jan 31 15:45:46 http://crouse-house.com/ Jan 31 15:46:09 'Um - wow. I just saw the head for an instant. We haven't started to push yet, but apparently the baby is very low.' Jan 31 15:47:00 ok.. colorado.. the guy in the debian channel is from italy ;) Jan 31 15:48:02 "we" haven't started to push Jan 31 15:48:19 I think the mother has just a bit more stake in that than dad ;-) Jan 31 15:53:38 Lo ppl Jan 31 16:03:07 * pepperjack checks the topic Jan 31 16:03:13 * pepperjack weeps quietly Jan 31 16:03:25 If you're using one of the newer builds and you don't like the multitap keyboard, I created a page to help you switch Jan 31 16:03:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Jan 31 16:03:34 It is very hacky Jan 31 16:03:52 Can someone educate me how to see the title when my console is too narrow? Jan 31 16:04:12 type /topic? Jan 31 16:04:23 or /cycle Jan 31 16:04:48 SpeedEvil, ScaredyCat: thanks Jan 31 16:25:33 Anyone know if it's possible to access the phone #s on your SIM card through the neo? Jan 31 16:25:41 command line tool is fine Jan 31 16:25:49 who Jan 31 16:27:08 wurp2, I don't know if it's possible through OpenMoko but I know qtopia pulled them in. Jan 31 16:27:18 So in theory it's possible. :) Jan 31 16:27:22 If that's any help. Jan 31 16:27:48 kdean06: Cool, thx Jan 31 16:27:59 Did you see my software keyboard page? Jan 31 16:30:32 I did Jan 31 16:52:09 is there some one who owns a ds? Jan 31 16:55:11 ds? Jan 31 16:55:42 I guess nintendo DS Jan 31 16:58:26 is it wrong to admit to owning one in your 30's? Jan 31 16:58:51 I think it is worse to not admit being in your 30's at all... Jan 31 17:00:26 I'm considering buying some screends for it. Jan 31 17:00:33 But simply to use as LCDs Jan 31 17:00:37 they are cheep Jan 31 17:00:54 just admit u want to play nintendogs speedevil ;) Jan 31 17:03:10 Don't actually have a DS :) Jan 31 17:03:22 My wife does. :) Jan 31 17:03:42 I've been hoping someone would port a clone of Brain Age 2's Sudoku to OM. :) Jan 31 17:04:01 that shouldn't be too hard to code up Jan 31 17:04:19 Stephmw, The handwriting recognition wouldn't be an issue? Jan 31 17:04:40 numbers only isn't too bad Jan 31 17:05:00 Oh come now... Hackers do sudoku in Hex. :) Jan 31 17:06:43 a 16x16 sudoku might be a bit large for the small screen :P Jan 31 17:07:01 3*3 Jan 31 17:08:42 kdean06: that certainly would be an interesting modification to sudoku... Jan 31 17:08:52 kdean06: 4x4x16 Jan 31 17:13:02 Just to get my terminology correct, the "main" application of OpenMoko is openmoko-today2, right? That has the clock on it? Jan 31 17:13:36 more like the "home" Jan 31 17:14:15 Home isn't an option in the bugzilla. Jan 31 17:14:36 oh...ok Jan 31 17:16:01 Though I suppose technically this is a dialer bug. :S Jan 31 17:16:37 kdean06, hmm...whats the critter about Jan 31 17:16:59 It's trivial, but missed calls are reported twice. Jan 31 17:17:14 kdean06, yeah its a dialer bug then Jan 31 17:17:39 http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/30/garmin.nuviphone/ Jan 31 17:19:01 * * OM Bug 1210 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info Jan 31 17:19:02 * * Missed calls appear twice Jan 31 17:19:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1210 Jan 31 17:29:07 I have had (mild) stability problems with the 29th release Jan 31 17:29:20 Don't use the 30th. :) Jan 31 17:29:29 I'm reviewing it now... Bad news. Jan 31 17:29:31 Heh, thanks for the warning Jan 31 17:29:41 I'm not sure about 31 yet. I plan on getting to it. Jan 31 17:29:49 You are the man :-) Jan 31 17:30:18 wurp2, Question... SMS sending, the word "UNknown" is the recipient, correct? The box below is subject and below that is text? Jan 31 17:30:24 Or is the second box the recipient? Jan 31 17:30:35 Yeah Jan 31 17:30:41 The first box is recipient Jan 31 17:30:45 Hrm... Jan 31 17:30:46 Okay. Jan 31 17:30:56 I don't think i saw the text box last time I sent an sms Jan 31 17:30:56 What is the word "Unknown" for then? Jan 31 17:31:01 I just put it all in the subject Jan 31 17:31:08 I think maybe it's to ID the person based on the phone # Jan 31 17:31:13 Okay. Jan 31 17:31:16 For when they're in your contacts list Jan 31 17:31:22 But I'm just pulling that out of my ass Jan 31 17:31:37 Yeah... Adding contacts crashes, and it appears that I can't send to anyone not on my contacts list. :( Jan 31 17:31:46 weird Jan 31 17:31:48 WHich means sending SMS is totally broken. :P Jan 31 17:31:56 I sent one yesterday by typing in the # Jan 31 17:32:00 Oh, on the 30th you mean Jan 31 17:32:02 Yes. Jan 31 17:39:40 Anyone knows how to rebuild the kernel only? I made some changes to the kernel config and I'd like to build it again with "make build-package-linux-openmoko" but the result is "Attempted 369 tasks of which 369 didn't need to be rerun" Jan 31 17:40:08 My changes are not taken into consideration Jan 31 17:40:33 can I force the makefile to rebuid the kernel ? Jan 31 17:41:20 make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko? Jan 31 17:41:36 so simple :) Jan 31 17:56:06 Mek: the problem is that my new kernel config is overwritten when I do make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko Jan 31 18:20:53 hi Jan 31 18:21:24 hey Jan 31 18:22:02 hi CVirus Jan 31 18:43:16 Has anyone used navit with a recent release of openmoko? Jan 31 18:45:26 That sounds like a resounding no... Jan 31 18:46:15 Haven't tried Jan 31 18:48:07 I also note that settingsgui isn't in the default list of repositories any more Jan 31 19:12:58 How are people carrying their neo around? The clip on that little bag finally broke, and the lanyard, well, even I am not nerdy enough to walk around with my phone hanging around my neck on a lanyard Jan 31 19:13:44 I have a cell holster that I had lying around, but it doesn't really fit properly Jan 31 19:14:07 Time for some baggier pants? :) Jan 31 19:14:15 I put it in my pocket. Jan 31 19:14:57 Yeah, when I wear cargo pants I do too, except I'm still worried about it bumping against stuff Jan 31 19:15:14 Oh, I solve that by not moving much. :) Jan 31 19:15:18 and digging it out of your pocket when it rings is a real pain if your pants aren't pretty baggy Jan 31 19:15:21 heh Jan 31 19:15:28 kdean06: hehe Jan 31 19:15:38 I am a little hyper periodically Jan 31 19:15:50 wurp2, You assumed by "pocket" I mean pants pocket. I didn't. I put it in my jacket pocket when I'm moving. Jan 31 19:15:58 I think it's some sort of early midlife crisis ;-) Jan 31 19:16:18 I live in Texas; I rarely wear a jacket Jan 31 19:16:21 i bought a bright yellow monster truck for my midlife crisis :) Jan 31 19:16:28 wow Jan 31 19:16:35 I've been eyeing the Tesla :-) Jan 31 19:16:37 cjb_ie, I'm still planning on my mid-life crisis. :) Jan 31 19:23:20 i has a webserver! Jan 31 19:23:24 "Welcome to your Neo 1973, http server running in process number 2445 and you are currently on T-Mobile NL" Jan 31 19:23:37 O_o Jan 31 19:23:37 ... Jan 31 19:23:38 can anyone tell me what's the display of the neo is like? it doesn't have a glass cover, does it? Jan 31 19:23:43 HTTP from the Neo? Jan 31 19:23:47 ya Jan 31 19:24:15 You are exposing it over gprs and hitting from a PC? Jan 31 19:24:26 baze: It doesn't have a glass cover Jan 31 19:24:27 ScaredyCat, I contemplated doing that, actually, and passing of GPS co-ords so that my wife could log on, click a link and see that I'm halfway to her work rather than calling me while I'm driving. :) Jan 31 19:24:32 not atm, just via usb networking Jan 31 19:24:40 wurp2: is it a solid display though? Jan 31 19:24:47 baze: Sure Jan 31 19:24:48 baze: yes Jan 31 19:24:54 or does it get pushed in when you press on it? Jan 31 19:25:00 Solid, yes. Rigid, no. Jan 31 19:25:00 baze: I don't like that it's inset from the rest of the phone Jan 31 19:25:08 it is a tiny bit soft Jan 31 19:25:11 For the touch screen Jan 31 19:25:12 It's slightly squishy. :) Jan 31 19:25:16 kdean06: it's just an experiment really, but I was thinking it could be useful... maybe Jan 31 19:25:29 but it doesn't feel like it gets damage easily? Jan 31 19:25:31 WHich server? Jan 31 19:25:39 baze: Not at all Jan 31 19:25:42 No, the entire device feels pretty sturdy to me. Jan 31 19:26:07 'which server' for me? Jan 31 19:26:10 Yes. :) Jan 31 19:26:17 libhttpd Jan 31 19:26:20 Oh. Jan 31 19:26:25 Even lighter. :) Jan 31 19:26:29 yes Jan 31 19:26:41 i'm still not 100% sure if i'm going to buy the freerunner... i wonder if browsing without umts is fast enough, since i'd be using it a lot to browse with such a good display... Jan 31 19:27:08 umts? Jan 31 19:27:08 Well, browsing over wifi will be very fast Jan 31 19:27:15 And Freerunner will have wifi. Jan 31 19:27:21 wurp2 beat me to it. :) Jan 31 19:27:25 I haven't played with the gprs browsing - haven't gotten gprs going on my '01 yet Jan 31 19:27:37 wurp2: yes, but when you are on a train for example, you won't necessarily have wifi access ;) Jan 31 19:28:09 baze, That's actually why I jumped in and bought the GTA01. :) Since i'm NEVER, and I repeat NEVER in a usable wifi hotspot. :) Jan 31 19:28:46 kdean06: and you're satisfied with the speed? Jan 31 19:28:51 The Neo is a poor mobile browsing platform, IMO, but then I don't beleive that there's a good one. Jan 31 19:28:59 No, I've not use GPRS either. :) Jan 31 19:29:04 USB networking FTW Jan 31 19:29:06 hmkay :) Jan 31 19:29:42 Yeah, the screen is too small. Even if the page renders well in 640x480, it still looks quite small Jan 31 19:29:57 hopefully it will be good for simple routing tasks if you want to find an adress from you current location Jan 31 19:29:59 small rocks Jan 31 19:30:00 BT networking for the range :) Jan 31 19:30:04 But as kdean06 says, I don't think you're going to find anything better until someone puts out an ePaper foldable/rollable display Jan 31 19:30:23 baze: You can do that w/o networking Jan 31 19:30:27 true Jan 31 19:30:40 I have about a 40 mile radius of maps loaded on my neo now Jan 31 19:30:55 it's just another thing i'd be happy to use the neo for Jan 31 19:30:59 ScaredyCat: Yeah, I really need to get bt networking completely working Jan 31 19:31:04 wurp2, My daily commute would extend beyond that. :) Jan 31 19:31:05 It covers my whole house Jan 31 19:31:15 and maybe even as a car navigation system, that'd be great Jan 31 19:31:17 kdean06: More than 80 miles ?!? Jan 31 19:31:24 baze: I use it as such already Jan 31 19:31:39 when I can get navit to work - it hasn't worked for me with recent releases :-( Jan 31 19:31:42 Well... 40 mile radius FROM my house, yes. My work would be outside of that. :) Jan 31 19:31:45 nice Jan 31 19:32:17 I suppose I could find the center point in that lovely triange and use that... Jan 31 19:32:18 baze: I used a lot of GPRS on my old phone. It worked out with acceptable speed when I used Opera Mini with images turned off. Don't know if Opera Mini will run on OM, though, but I think I heard that it would get J2ME. Jan 31 19:32:31 Yeah, that's why I have a 40 mile radius from the middle of the metroplex Jan 31 19:32:39 Opera Mini compresses stuff on the server before sending to the phone. Jan 31 19:32:45 My drive is 34 miles, approx Jan 31 19:32:51 and then there is of course.. or well, there isn't... the camera point... i never really cared that much for a phone cam, but ever since i got my k800i, i kinda got used to actually use it sometimes.. Jan 31 19:33:13 wurp2, For me the pre-load maps concept is fatally flawed... I never go anywhere without a plan unless I'm lost. :) Jan 31 19:33:18 but well... can't have everything Jan 31 19:33:36 kdean06: I don't really either, but I am navigationally challenged Jan 31 19:33:42 Oh. Jan 31 19:33:44 And I think deeply while driving :-/ Jan 31 19:34:00 maybe i'll buy a neo later, when there is more software out Jan 31 19:34:01 So I will miss a turn, then not be able to find my way where I'm supposed to be in a reasonable time Jan 31 19:34:02 I've always taken for granted my ability to "sense" North. :P Jan 31 19:34:17 But I can't do "left" or "right" without thinking about it. :S Jan 31 19:34:19 although now that I'm using navit, I don't worry so much about having a plan first Jan 31 19:34:24 kdean06: My wife is the same way! Jan 31 19:34:38 My wife chuckles at that, and then thinks it's weird that I know where north is. Jan 31 19:34:43