**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:57 2008 Feb 21 03:30:18 openmoko: 03werner * r4088 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch gta02-power_control.patch series): Feb 21 03:30:18 openmoko: Moved changes to arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_bt.c and Feb 21 03:30:18 openmoko: arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c from the core of ugliness Feb 21 03:30:18 openmoko: (gta02-core.patch) to a new patch gta02-power_control.patch, Feb 21 03:30:18 openmoko: mirroring gta01-power_control.patch Feb 21 04:04:21 openmoko: 03werner * r4089 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-power_control.patch: Feb 21 04:04:21 openmoko: First part of suspend-prelim2.bin by Matt Hsu, with some adaptations. Feb 21 04:04:21 openmoko: (The system can get into suspend when gsmd starts up.) Feb 21 04:04:21 openmoko: arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c (gta01_gsm_suspend, gta01_gsm_resume): Feb 21 04:04:21 openmoko: set GTA02_GPIO_nDL_GSM during suspend (if on GTA02) Feb 21 04:05:30 hi. i'm trying to get a buildchain for bb files. can someone recommend a tutorial for this? Feb 21 04:07:01 the tutorial from wiki.openmoko doesnt work since the command mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev says mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused. might this only be a temporarily problem? Feb 21 04:15:44 openmoko: 03werner * r4090 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: Feb 21 04:15:44 openmoko: Second part of suspend-prelim2.bin by Matt Hsu: Feb 21 04:15:44 openmoko: Remove AUX key as wake up source [so that we can resume even if the Feb 21 04:15:44 openmoko: NOR has no valid content]. Feb 21 04:15:44 openmoko: gta01-inputdevice.patch: Feb 21 04:15:46 openmoko: - drivers/input/keyboard/neo1973kbd.c (neo1973kbd_probe): add AUX as a wakeup Feb 21 04:15:50 openmoko: interrupt source only if on GTA01 Feb 21 04:24:51 jeffdameth: It should only be a temporary problem. You could try monotone.openmoko.org instead. Also, I recommend MokoMakefile as an easy way to get things set up. Feb 21 04:40:17 mmontour: thanks. this one worked :) Feb 21 05:16:01 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4091 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: get battery status (Sudharshan S) Feb 21 05:36:12 hmm, bitbake openmoko-devel-image does call git ls-remote git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xcb which does not work because The remote end hung up unexpectedly Feb 21 05:36:43 does somebody know how to circument to fetch the xcb? Feb 21 05:37:02 *circumvent Feb 21 05:39:30 this same error appears for any package i try to build Feb 21 05:54:05 openmoko: 03werner * r4092 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-power_control.patch: (log message trimmed) Feb 21 05:54:05 openmoko: gta02-pm-gps.patch by Willie Chen Feb 21 05:54:05 openmoko: This is GPS driver for GTA02. It deals with power on/off GPS module. Feb 21 05:54:05 openmoko: The GPS data can be generated through UART1. Feb 21 05:54:05 openmoko: gta02-power_control.patch: Feb 21 05:54:07 openmoko: - arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.c (gps_pwron_set, gps_pwron_get, Feb 21 05:54:11 openmoko: gta01_pm_gps_suspend, gta01_pm_gps_resume, gta01_pm_gps_probe, Feb 21 06:07:43 openmoko: 03werner * r4093 10/developers/werner/bin/ (kern4 layout4 uboot4): Rearranged scripts to handle different screen sizes. Feb 21 06:18:12 openmoko: 03werner * r4094 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: (log message trimmed) Feb 21 06:18:12 openmoko: uboot-pcf50633-default-curr-lim-1A.patch Feb 21 06:18:12 openmoko: From: Andy Green Feb 21 06:18:12 openmoko: 1) Stop PMU killing us if we don't have a battery in (by setting default Feb 21 06:18:12 openmoko: current limit to 1A) Feb 21 06:18:14 openmoko: 2) Detect charger type using PMU ADC Feb 21 06:18:18 openmoko: 3) Configure PMU current limit for discovered charger type Feb 21 06:27:08 i try to fix the t2 build for the neo. is there a list in which order the patches should be applyed ? since 'series' seems not to be correct for 2.6.24.x Feb 21 06:49:59 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4095 10/trunk/src/host/openembedded/site.conf: Feb 21 06:49:59 openmoko: Don't use SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR because it causes problems in other Feb 21 06:49:59 openmoko: locations of the world such as OM Taipei office. Feb 21 06:49:59 openmoko: The default value of SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR in bitbake.conf should be fine Feb 21 06:49:59 openmoko: and people can always set their own in local.conf. Feb 21 07:42:36 hello my fellow mokomonkeys Feb 21 07:44:29 * raster throws poo Feb 21 07:58:39 lol Feb 21 08:04:15 moin Feb 21 08:17:24 it oe org still offline ? Feb 21 08:21:27 ScaredyCat: seems to be online here Feb 21 08:24:17 hrrm Feb 21 08:24:41 oh... it might just be semi-concious Feb 21 08:27:30 ok, it's just very slow right now... Feb 21 08:29:12 seems like there were no updates either... :( still broken for builds.... libkoto.. Feb 21 08:30:06 * ScaredyCat pokes rwhitby ... svn.nslu2-linux.org Feb 21 08:36:47 openmoko: 03werner * r4096 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch: (log message trimmed) Feb 21 08:36:47 openmoko: http://moko.mwester.net/s3cmci_diff_from_svn4082.patch by Mike Westerhof Feb 21 08:36:47 openmoko: Changing the structure of the loops slightly: "while Feb 21 08:36:47 openmoko: ((condition1) && fifo--)" is a bad idea if you need to ensure that fifo Feb 21 08:36:47 openmoko: doesn't go below zero when the loop exits (follow the code with the case Feb 21 08:36:50 openmoko: where we have an unaligned buffer, and need to read or write 1 byte). Feb 21 08:36:52 openmoko: s3c_mci.patch: Feb 21 09:10:43 Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu Feb 21 09:12:51 * XorA wonders why the spam bots insist on spamming non working links, surely thats backwards Feb 21 09:13:32 so they don't get identified by spam bot bots? :) Feb 21 09:13:55 XorA: of course you had to go check the site :) Feb 21 09:14:14 raster: I cant check the site, no link Feb 21 09:14:27 * XorA is too lazy to google it Feb 21 09:14:55 who knows Feb 21 09:14:56 it may work Feb 21 09:14:57 :) Feb 21 09:15:26 well i'm guessing all you need do is change the space to a dot... Feb 21 09:16:05 cjb_ie: I bet 99% of blind link clickers wont do that Feb 21 09:16:17 cjb_ie: well at least the spammers are putting themselves out of business Feb 21 09:16:53 no session id either, so they cant claim their money on success Feb 21 09:17:21 yup, changing space to dot does it. and the default age range searching for partner is 15-35... Feb 21 09:17:31 that seems a bit dodge Feb 21 09:17:31 * XorA will now stop teaching spammers to do their jobs :-) Feb 21 09:17:51 cjb_ie: thats gonna get you a session in the slammer here in the uk Feb 21 09:17:58 cjb_ie: who knows Feb 21 09:18:00 cjb_ie: even hitting ok on that would be an offence Feb 21 09:18:03 5 may be legal in your country Feb 21 09:18:05 err Feb 21 09:18:06 15 Feb 21 09:18:13 5 would be a bit more disturbing yet Feb 21 09:18:13 :) Feb 21 09:24:07 hi raster Feb 21 09:26:37 emdete: ho ho Feb 21 09:26:37 :) Feb 21 09:26:55 remember our discussion months ago about performance of X11? i startet using e* libs some weeks ago with great success. my wishes how to animate my main-screen work fine even on the gta1! Feb 21 09:27:11 so i just wanted to tell you: thanks, sry, you where right ;) Feb 21 09:29:53 emdete: hehehehehheeh excellent to hear! Feb 21 09:30:03 are you at fosdem? Feb 21 09:30:13 emdete: and another person to learn the universal truth ... "raster is always wright" Feb 21 09:30:20 (except when he is not) Feb 21 09:30:26 :D Feb 21 09:30:32 hehehe Feb 21 09:30:35 nah - not going. Feb 21 09:30:48 mickey, xora, john, holger are there i think Feb 21 09:30:57 i'm doing a brazil jaunt in a few weeks instead Feb 21 09:30:57 that's sad, i could show you the performance ;) Feb 21 09:31:10 take a video - with your digital camera Feb 21 09:31:15 raster: you off to bossa? Feb 21 09:31:16 put it on youporn Feb 21 09:31:18 err youtube Feb 21 09:31:19 i mean Feb 21 09:31:20 :) Feb 21 09:31:22 :D Feb 21 09:31:22 XorA: yeah. Feb 21 09:31:34 XorA: doing the brazil thing. i will get a vkbd done when in .br Feb 21 09:31:35 * XorA cant afford bossa and doesnt think OM would fund it Feb 21 09:31:44 i can't do videos. have no cam and can't use istanbul on the device too Feb 21 09:32:02 XorA: bossa is sprinign for this one - thus its just a question of where i'm working Feb 21 09:32:13 emdete: bugger :( Feb 21 09:32:20 emdete: show will - he will also be there Feb 21 09:33:08 emdete: come via OE stand, chances are someone will have video :-) Feb 21 09:33:31 fine... Feb 21 09:34:07 ScaredyCat: svn.nslu2-linux.org seems to be working here Feb 21 09:34:42 raster: i found a strange behavior with TEXTBOX - asked that yesterday in #edevel already. if a word is to long for a line it is not broken (with word-wrap) and a additional empty line is made below. Feb 21 09:34:47 yeah.. it's alive here... but it seems to vanish from dns occasionally... Feb 21 09:35:12 emdete: oh yeah - that is a slight problem with the layout code there Feb 21 09:36:39 raster: fixable? doesn't look nice for my headers. those are in big font and words tend to be to long. so you cant either read the word nor does the next line fit in the entry of a listbox Feb 21 09:39:04 it is fixable Feb 21 09:39:22 i'm not big on text formatting Feb 21 09:39:29 i.e - not something i have spent a lot of time on before Feb 21 09:39:39 * ScaredyCat wondrs who commited openmoko-tasks2-0.1.0+svnr376-r1 and didn't even test it Feb 21 09:39:43 i have mostly done a lot of image processing and pixel-pushing Feb 21 09:39:48 nnpiggy: ping Feb 21 09:39:49 so i can do that well and fast Feb 21 09:39:54 but text formatting is new to me Feb 21 09:40:52 to do it right it's difficult. for me a hard cut somewhere it the word would be sufficient Feb 21 09:43:08 emdete: sure - i just need to fall back to char wrap is word wrsap fails and theres only 1 word on the line Feb 21 09:43:13 that case right now just isnt handled Feb 21 09:43:27 in the end you need a callback for hyphenation... Feb 21 09:43:44 oooh that is yet another matter too Feb 21 09:44:03 i was slightly mroe concerned with not handling right-to-left and mixed right-to-left and left-to-right layout Feb 21 09:44:11 and: if a word is to long for that line you should put a part of it in the previos line if there is much space left Feb 21 09:44:46 :D wow, yes, it's always getting more complicated than expected ;) Feb 21 09:45:18 ah, another question about edje: is it true that there is some automatic for utf-8 / iso encoding detection? Feb 21 09:46:59 errrr Feb 21 09:47:13 as sich edje itself isnt really intended to transport text content - tho it can Feb 21 09:47:15 but its utf8 Feb 21 09:47:19 assumed utf8 Feb 21 09:47:25 nothing else is suppoted Feb 21 09:48:16 here you arn't right :D if you put iso8859-15 in it it just works too ;) Feb 21 09:52:38 :) Feb 21 09:53:05 i think that is a subset of utf8 Feb 21 09:53:10 but it assumes/expects utf8 Feb 21 09:53:12 everything does Feb 21 09:53:25 edje has no clue about text encoding Feb 21 09:53:25 no, it's not Feb 21 09:53:30 it doesnt know Feb 21 09:53:33 it isn't Feb 21 09:53:35 hm... why does it work than? Feb 21 09:53:38 it just parses .edc's as if they were ascii Feb 21 09:53:39 still set for march sometime? Feb 21 09:53:52 evas decodes all strings as utf8 Feb 21 09:54:00 it has no encoding support Feb 21 09:54:17 beyond utf8 - it then decodes, converts to codepoint and looks up in the font(set) Feb 21 09:54:27 or is the release data pushed back again? Feb 21 09:54:35 some higher level things may assume invalid utf-8 to be something else, like latin-1, which is mostly the same as latin-9 Feb 21 09:54:54 *date Feb 21 09:55:07 raster: hm, strange. in utf-8 all 8-bit bytes are at least 2-byte chars... Feb 21 09:55:11 as such u are probably just plain lucky something worked and was utf8-compatible Feb 21 09:55:18 and yes Feb 21 09:55:26 anything > 7 bits will becom multi-byte Feb 21 09:55:38 u may just have a bi-product of lenient utf8 decoding Feb 21 09:55:52 as it is not hyper-strict Feb 21 09:55:55 no, e code 164 (the euro in iso8859-15) isn't a valid ut-8 char Feb 21 09:55:57 it just happened to work Feb 21 09:56:07 its not Feb 21 09:56:17 what is not? Feb 21 09:56:22 BUT try put 2 of them together Feb 21 09:56:25 and see if it still orks Feb 21 09:56:29 :) Feb 21 09:56:29 CM: ping Feb 21 09:56:41 so the utf-8 decoder code may be broken? Feb 21 09:56:51 or silently ignores errors? Feb 21 09:58:54 it is not broken Feb 21 09:58:55 its lenient Feb 21 09:58:59 yes - it silently ignores errors Feb 21 09:59:06 as the msb is set in the eruo sign Feb 21 09:59:21 if it was valid utf8 the next char would ALSO have the msb set Feb 21 09:59:22 it doesnt Feb 21 09:59:31 so the decoder will abort decoding as utf8 Feb 21 09:59:46 from memory it will just drop back and go "oh well- i'll take the byte value as-is" Feb 21 10:00:16 hm,... bad idea. so thinks work and break later... Feb 21 10:00:28 and: yes, 2euro don't work Feb 21 10:00:31 and then the thing that takes the byte apparently happens to by chance display it correctly for emdete Feb 21 10:01:05 emdete: as 2 euros both have upper bit set - but will then decode to a different unicode point if decoded as utf8 Feb 21 10:01:14 yes, understand Feb 21 10:01:21 emdete: its not bad being lenient - struct utf8 is not enforced Feb 21 10:01:24 but its the "spec" Feb 21 10:01:30 ONLY utf8 is guaranteed to work Feb 21 10:01:33 anything else is pure luck Feb 21 10:01:43 I don't think two latin-9 euros don't actually encode any unicode character in utf-8 Feb 21 10:01:51 minus double negatives Feb 21 10:02:06 mjr: i'd have to check Feb 21 10:02:08 i don't like lenient behavior. i like 'fail-early' bedder Feb 21 10:02:37 just checked, it doesn't Feb 21 10:03:11 utf-8 is rather finicky about what octets can follow what Feb 21 10:03:19 which is a good thing Feb 21 10:03:43 yup. that's to avoid values sneaking past string comparisons Feb 21 10:03:51 s/string// Feb 21 10:03:52 cjb_ie meant: yup. that's to avoid values sneaking past comparisons Feb 21 10:04:39 utf8 is nice Feb 21 10:04:48 how its so nicely backwards-compatible with ascii Feb 21 10:04:53 and u just dont need to care Feb 21 10:05:19 it is quite pretty Feb 21 10:07:41 thatws why i chose it as my one and only encoding Feb 21 10:07:53 i didnt want to bother with the rest Feb 21 10:11:54 ...anyway i would prefere if evas would fail to decode a single-7bitset-byte Feb 21 10:28:14 openmoko: 03thomas * r4097 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_remove.c: opkg: implement removal of auto-installed packages Feb 21 10:41:04 raster: in edje: can i create a group and use that as part in another group? Feb 21 10:41:13 aaah no Feb 21 10:41:15 not directly Feb 21 10:41:20 u'd need to create in code and swallow Feb 21 10:41:22 so, code required...? Feb 21 10:41:26 eventually i plan to add that Feb 21 10:41:30 and containers etc. Feb 21 10:41:34 okay. is that the way to do so? Feb 21 10:42:11 i have a string entry and have 2 different pads below, one with nums only, the other with num&chars Feb 21 10:43:36 aaah and u want to recycle Feb 21 10:43:43 well the way u do it now would be with #define macros Feb 21 10:43:52 and u'd make a macro to set up a set of things Feb 21 10:43:58 like c/c++ Feb 21 10:44:13 it passes all .edc's through the c pre-processor Feb 21 10:44:26 hm... but then all relative/offset go with the whole group, right? Feb 21 10:44:37 yes Feb 21 10:44:46 but u can make them relative to an invisible rectangle part Feb 21 10:44:48 keep it invisible Feb 21 10:44:50 swallow looks better to me... Feb 21 10:44:59 and then in the macro just have a macro parameer be the part its relative to Feb 21 10:45:15 gnerally swallow is the bit where u want code-controlled content to slide in Feb 21 10:45:18 either form other edjes Feb 21 10:45:23 ...so /all/ relative/offset are rel to that rect? Feb 21 10:45:25 or widgets/layout smart objects Feb 21 10:45:27 etc. Feb 21 10:45:40 u dont always want to do eerything in edje Feb 21 10:45:45 u want to do some layotu in code Feb 21 10:45:47 some in edje Feb 21 10:48:15 ...so /all/ relative/offset are rel to that invisible rectangle part? Feb 21 10:48:31 How do i install and run the openmoko under Ubuntu 7.10 Feb 21 10:48:52 try qemu Feb 21 10:49:05 there is instructions on the wiki Feb 21 10:49:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu Feb 21 10:49:44 emdete: well if u make it relatev {] to: "invisible-part-name"; .... } Feb 21 10:49:45 :) Feb 21 10:50:31 fine... Feb 21 10:51:58 err Feb 21 10:52:13 rel1 { to: "name"; .... } Feb 21 10:52:16 and rel2 as well Feb 21 10:52:16 ... Feb 21 10:52:33 ah, okay... np, it's a macro anyway ;) Feb 21 10:52:55 yup Feb 21 10:52:58 so Feb 21 10:53:27 #define MACRO(relpart, ......) ..... rel1 { to: relpart; ..... } Feb 21 10:53:29 u get the idea Feb 21 10:54:04 yes. thnx! Feb 21 10:54:15 :) Feb 21 10:55:04 another problem where i would like to get an idea. i would like to show larger textblocks (larger than screen) and scroll in it. how would you do that? Feb 21 10:56:53 oooh Feb 21 10:57:06 i actually have smart objects for that Feb 21 10:57:08 e17 has them Feb 21 10:57:11 scrollframe for example Feb 21 10:57:18 its a generic smart scroller widget object Feb 21 10:57:22 i don't need scroll-bars.. btw Feb 21 10:57:27 stick either a dumb object in it and it will be scrollable Feb 21 10:57:40 or it cans croll using a pan api Feb 21 10:57:56 (where the object knows how to scroll itself using callbacks) Feb 21 10:58:03 hm... sounds promising. avaiable in py-binding? Feb 21 10:58:03 scrollbars are only part of the theme design Feb 21 10:58:12 so the .edj design used can just not have them Feb 21 10:58:18 hmm no not there Feb 21 10:58:19 its c Feb 21 10:58:51 whats the name of it? scrollframe? Feb 21 10:59:35 yup Feb 21 10:59:38 in e17 src Feb 21 10:59:40 src/bin Feb 21 10:59:44 e_scrollframe.[ch] Feb 21 10:59:54 yoink! Feb 21 11:00:02 it relies only in e's theme code as far as finding the .edj file and loading the group from it Feb 21 11:00:13 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4098 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (6 files): gsmd: fix gcc warning (Erin Yueh) Feb 21 11:00:46 will take a look on that... thnx Feb 21 11:01:42 e17 has a mountain of useful code using efl to steal Feb 21 11:17:02 openmoko: 03werner * r4099 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/ (patches/build-kludge.patch patches/series scripts/build): Feb 21 11:17:02 openmoko: scripts/build: updated to GIT_HEAD 928d1d77f8623c120d8763e20e1ca58df9c5c4c6, Feb 21 11:17:02 openmoko: SVN_REV 4097 Feb 21 11:17:02 openmoko: patches/build-kludge.patch, patches/series: removed build-kludge.patch,, since Feb 21 11:17:02 openmoko: current GIT doesn't have this bug anymore Feb 21 11:21:15 raster: don't you think it would be reuse friendlier if all those E widgets would be useful without E as a WM? Feb 21 11:21:25 good morning folks, btw. Feb 21 11:22:05 good morning mickeyl Feb 21 11:22:28 mickeyl: yup Feb 21 11:22:40 mickeyl: though as such thats what wtk/ewl are for Feb 21 11:22:51 but as such i htink theres a big use for stand-alone "widgets" Feb 21 11:22:58 exactly Feb 21 11:23:01 like "all i want is a scroller widget - that scrolls some object" Feb 21 11:23:03 and nothing else Feb 21 11:23:11 etk and ewl are overkill for what some people are after Feb 21 11:23:13 yep Feb 21 11:23:17 or "i just want a box layout object - thats it. nothing else" Feb 21 11:23:20 *nod* Feb 21 11:23:34 right now e17 is a great place for these things to be sorted out/debugged Feb 21 11:24:01 they cna be stripepd out later into sone smart object library for those 1-off useful widget-like objects u want Feb 21 11:24:09 ok, sounds like a plan Feb 21 11:24:09 then again a chunk of them i am seriously thinking of adding to edje Feb 21 11:24:16 like box/table etc. Feb 21 11:24:16 yeeeah! Feb 21 11:24:18 into edje Feb 21 11:24:33 edje itself has a lot of room to expand Feb 21 11:24:44 i had on the list for a long time to have container layout options Feb 21 11:25:07 right. i think that's very important for our stuff. We need to get you time to do that Feb 21 11:25:21 unlikely to happen soon Feb 21 11:25:32 got enough to do to keep me busy for ages Feb 21 11:25:34 well, priorities can be changed :) Feb 21 11:25:43 we need to talk about our strategy soon anyways Feb 21 11:25:53 and frankly - i want to get this stuff done first Feb 21 11:26:00 as its the core of the sexy-ui launcher etc. stuff Feb 21 11:26:09 without it u have a pretty bland gui Feb 21 11:26:10 :) Feb 21 11:26:16 *nod*. lets see how far you are when we meet @ bossa Feb 21 11:26:24 yeah Feb 21 11:26:30 i really want to get us on the same page wrt. midterm software Feb 21 11:26:31 i hope to actually show off stuff there Feb 21 11:26:33 platform, that is Feb 21 11:26:39 also key virtual keyboard done post-bossa Feb 21 11:26:53 make it configurable in cfg files/profiles Feb 21 11:26:54 * ScaredyCat suggests driving to bossa in an opel .... Feb 21 11:27:17 so no more worries about "the keyboard doesnt have a / key for the terminal" Feb 21 11:27:26 just choose the "i'm a nerd hacker" keyboard layout Feb 21 11:27:36 or the default "i just want to do english sms crap" Feb 21 11:27:40 or whatever Feb 21 11:27:41 :) Feb 21 11:27:58 i need to add dictionary auto-guessing Feb 21 11:28:06 mmm ... isnt "i'm a nerd hacker" just a standard qwerty Feb 21 11:28:10 ok, that means I can work 100% on non UI infrastructure for the next 2 months Feb 21 11:28:32 u can have multiple custom correction dictionaries Feb 21 11:28:36 does this mean we'll need to rebuild all our apps? Feb 21 11:28:41 eg for english its seeded from eglish text sources Feb 21 11:28:54 and for terminal mode - its seeded from everything found in$PATH Feb 21 11:28:55 :) Feb 21 11:29:08 s/rebuild/rewrite/ Feb 21 11:29:08 ScaredyCat meant: does this mean we'll need to rewrite all our apps? Feb 21 11:29:16 ScaredyCat: no Feb 21 11:29:18 standard x apps Feb 21 11:29:20 input as normal Feb 21 11:29:33 no, I mean UI type stuff? Feb 21 11:29:37 apps dont need to know or care Feb 21 11:29:41 nup Feb 21 11:29:45 do whatever tickles your fancy Feb 21 11:29:47 are you ditching gtk .. Feb 21 11:29:48 ? Feb 21 11:29:52 gtk will stay on Feb 21 11:29:55 i wont be using it Feb 21 11:30:01 but it will be supported and work Feb 21 11:30:28 mmm.... Feb 21 11:31:06 just because u use kde - do u need to port to qt? Feb 21 11:31:08 no Feb 21 11:31:16 just because u use gnome do u need to port to gtk from qt? Feb 21 11:31:25 because u use fluxbox does it mean everything has to b done in xlib? :) Feb 21 11:31:27 same thing Feb 21 11:31:48 openmoko: 03werner * r4100 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: Feb 21 11:31:48 openmoko: Preparing for GTA02v6. Feb 21 11:31:48 openmoko: uboot-gta02.patch: Feb 21 11:31:48 openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/split_by_variant.sh: added gta02v6_config Feb 21 11:31:48 openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/split_by_variant.sh: bumped default from GTA02v3 to Feb 21 11:31:49 openmoko: GTA02v5 Feb 21 11:33:00 ScaredyCat: openmoko will become more UI toolkit agnostic. Feb 21 11:33:17 with the focus on middleware services and just some great core apps Feb 21 11:33:27 at least that's how i see it Feb 21 11:34:26 k, but are we going to have multiple ui toolkits installed? Feb 21 11:34:29 hi. does uboot1.2.0-moko9-r8 might work with boot from sd? Feb 21 11:34:32 yes Feb 21 11:34:58 this will be a bit of a problem in gta01, but nothing we can't solve with an extra SD Feb 21 11:35:16 i guess that 'yes' was not for me :) Feb 21 11:35:33 ScaredyCat: yup. right now where we are heading we will have qtopia/qt, gtk and efl by default Feb 21 11:35:43 jeffdamet1: no idea actually, if you have a debug board... just try Feb 21 11:35:43 probably sdl too most likly as its used for games a lot Feb 21 11:36:12 hrrm... Feb 21 11:37:38 * raster can see cogs turning Feb 21 11:37:58 heh Feb 21 11:38:10 uh oh Feb 21 11:38:16 major mind melt Feb 21 11:38:34 "multiple toolkiits.. noo..but.. they can't do that! it's.... just... not.... done!" Feb 21 11:38:39 *boom* Feb 21 11:38:43 hehe Feb 21 11:39:30 well, no.. it's just more that it's wasteful Feb 21 11:39:38 that's the Linux way of life... although i hope there will be one to rule them all, it's probably not going to happen. Desktop has shown us that Feb 21 11:39:49 u ar efree to remove the pkgs for the toolkits u dont want Feb 21 11:40:06 and frankly - frlash is cheap Feb 21 11:40:08 flash Feb 21 11:40:10 these days Feb 21 11:40:23 the extra cost of shipping 2 or 3 toolkits is almost nothing Feb 21 11:40:32 on the business side Feb 21 11:40:34 yes, but this isn't a desktop, unless the 02 is going to have amore flash than originally stated.. Feb 21 11:41:10 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4101 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/usock.c: gsmd: get the operator list 2nd try (Paulius Zaleckas) Feb 21 11:41:10 the opportunity cost of simply saying "we do gtk only" for example is probably a greater loss than tyhe cost of the flash to go shipping qt/qtopia and then get all the kde/qt/qtopia apps available to us too Feb 21 11:41:18 its got 256m Feb 21 11:41:24 and theres plenty of it Feb 21 11:43:34 I'd love to see EFL on the FreeRunner Feb 21 11:43:44 as such i am using 77.6m UNCOMPRESSEd of my 256m flash Feb 21 11:43:53 compressed thats smaller Feb 21 11:44:09 hmm wait Feb 21 11:44:16 i thought we were doing 256m flash? Feb 21 11:44:23