**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 10:59:56 2008 Feb 28 11:25:33 openmoko: 03werner * r4128 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (config.gta01bv4 config.phase0 mknor setup.sh): (log message trimmed) Feb 28 11:25:33 openmoko: mknor: removed "under construction" warning Feb 28 11:25:33 openmoko: mknor: added usage instructions for "flashnor" Feb 28 11:25:33 openmoko: mknor: the path to the u-boot binary is no longer hard-coded by must be passed Feb 28 11:25:33 openmoko: on the command line Feb 28 11:25:37 openmoko: mknor: added option "-o outfile" to change the output file from the default Feb 28 11:25:39 openmoko: nor.bin Feb 28 11:36:55 openmoko: 03thomas * r4129 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg.c: Feb 28 11:36:55 openmoko: opkg: Update the version comparision to a more recent one from dpkg. This Feb 28 11:36:55 openmoko: means it now recognises 0.0-foo > 0.0+foo as it should. Patch from Richard Feb 28 11:36:55 openmoko: Purdie Feb 28 11:51:36 openmoko: 03thomas * r4130 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (pkg.c pkg_parse.c): opkg: Enable Debian style revision field by default and remove "familiar" specific code. Patch from Richard Purdie Feb 28 11:56:46 quick python question.. is there a library Timer that repeats until cancelled? Feb 28 11:58:07 i'd just use gmainloop for that Feb 28 11:58:22 and for a cli app? Feb 28 11:58:30 gmainloop Feb 28 11:58:40 glib is not just for UI programs Feb 28 11:59:03 ah, yes, my mistake - I'd bound the G with GTK Feb 28 11:59:07 hehe Feb 28 11:59:29 glib and gobject are very useful in command line programs. i had a hard time getting used to that, so i can understand that Feb 28 12:02:29 hmm, only a gobject related package in ubuntu.. no glib ones Feb 28 12:04:15 gobject needs glib, so it might be included Feb 28 12:11:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r84 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (ChangeLog src/gsm0710muxd.c): gsm0710muxd: catch up with openmoko-kernel sysfs device node changes in 2.6.24 Feb 28 12:14:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r85 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (ChangeLog pygsmd.py): pyneod: catch up with sysfs changes in openmoko-kernel 2.6.24 Feb 28 12:16:45 openmoko: 03werner * r4131 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch pcf50633.patch): Feb 28 12:16:45 openmoko: From: matt_hsu Feb 28 12:16:45 openmoko: [PATCH] bug-889-8secs.patch Feb 28 12:16:45 openmoko: This patch introduces a power-down when the POWER button is held for Feb 28 12:16:45 openmoko: 8 seconds, which fixed this bug: Feb 28 12:16:48 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=889 Feb 28 13:32:43 openmoko: 03werner * r4132 10/trunk/src/target/gpio/ (Makefile gpio-glamo.c): Quick and dirty GPIO dumper for the Glamo 3362. Feb 28 14:10:18 hi Feb 28 14:36:53 1390 root 20 0 65144 18m 11m R 27.3 15.0 0:57.10 openmoko-mediap Feb 28 14:36:53 1299 root 9 -11 19720 4388 2536 S 15.1 3.5 0:22.21 pulseaudio Feb 28 14:37:09 woowoo, less that 50% cpu load playing mp3 files on gta02 Feb 28 14:39:28 XorA: I remember about 20% CPU load for this on my iPAQ :-} Feb 28 14:39:59 florian: pulseaudio eats a lot for doing little Feb 28 14:40:21 XorA: oh... more than esd? Feb 28 14:40:32 florian: yeah a whole shitload more Feb 28 14:40:49 florian: it busyloops on bytes Feb 28 14:41:05 XorA: eeks... Feb 28 14:41:33 florian: so power usage isnt going to be good either :-(, mickey|lunch plans to talk to Lennert to see what we can do to improve stuff Feb 28 14:41:40 In this case I would say that pulseaudio is still not ready for qroduction quality images.. Feb 28 14:42:14 XorA: right, playing audio should not suck too much power... Feb 28 15:09:33 hi Feb 28 15:15:02 and why is pulseaudio in this if it eats cpu? Feb 28 15:16:22 apparently there's a kludgy fix in the recent releases that makes it not bog everything else down Feb 28 15:16:33 I haven't upgraded recently so can't verify Feb 28 15:20:22 mjr: I wrote that fix Feb 28 15:22:57 ack Feb 28 15:29:58 zash: because it's good... apart from this problem Feb 28 15:31:52 it's good apart from being broken? ;) Feb 28 15:33:01 sort of Feb 28 15:33:10 it's the right way to do certain abstractions in linux audio Feb 28 15:33:23 i'm sure there's a way to make it less CPU hungr Feb 28 15:33:23 y Feb 28 15:34:17 yoink! Feb 28 15:34:45 mickeyl: the new alsa scenario code will export the master mixer per path, to save software guessing Feb 28 15:35:06 block operations are the way to go :-) Feb 28 15:35:08 that cant be a good sign.... Feb 28 15:35:23 after 'waking' my phone the screen goes apeshit Feb 28 15:35:49 like a bad tv reception Feb 28 15:36:10 XorA: good! Feb 28 15:36:14 ScaredyCat: thats disco mode :-) Feb 28 15:37:23 better not to use that pm function I guess :/ Feb 28 15:56:14 Does anyone know offhand if there's an AT command to ask a SIM how many contacts are saved in it? Feb 28 15:56:46 Right now I'm walking them up to 250, and just filtering out the empty entries, but I'm not 100% sure that 250 is the limit on all SIMs Feb 28 15:57:01 And when I ask for contact 251, libgsmd hangs Feb 28 16:00:50 the new case looks ugly Feb 28 16:00:52 the black one Feb 28 16:00:59 really ugly Feb 28 16:01:21 CVirus: less ugly than the '01 case, I think Feb 28 16:01:27 But what's inside is beautiful ;-) Feb 28 16:01:52 noway ... the 01 had a better case Feb 28 16:02:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:GTA02.jpg Feb 28 16:03:44 I've seen it Feb 28 16:03:54 I'm pretty sure looks are subjective... Feb 28 16:04:17 and I think the '01 looked worse - but again, I'm not very motivated by the looks Feb 28 16:04:42 I do wish we didn't have the recessed screen, so we could access the edges better. And clean it more easily Feb 28 16:05:26 yea Feb 28 16:05:53 mickeyl: btw, I ended up not using gmainloop, just chaining the timers for now Feb 28 16:05:59 mickeyl: it's a prototype in any case Feb 28 16:06:06 sure Feb 28 16:06:20 eventually you really need a mainloop and then you can cross that bridge Feb 28 16:06:59 So I've written a little interim utility that imports all of your contacts (well, at least the first 250 :-) from your SIM into the address book Feb 28 16:07:10 Right now it does exactly that, no configuration Feb 28 16:07:33 Does anyone have suggestions for other options they would like to see for migrating contacts? Feb 28 16:08:01 phone them all us, use TTS to say how great OM is and hangup? :D Feb 28 16:08:03 * Stephmw hides Feb 28 16:08:19 Keeping in mind that it's not going to have a gui, or at least not much of one. If I wanted to write a whole address book/SIM synchronizer, I'd be updating code in the address book app Feb 28 16:10:05 wurp2: writing it in such a way that someone could once plug it into the address book app? Feb 28 16:11:11 wurp2: perhaps adding country codes for those numbers that don't have one, and choose whether to overwrite, merge or skip contacts that already seem to be there Feb 28 16:11:23 raboof: Sure, if they're OK with the address book app calling some python & shell script code :-) Feb 28 16:11:28 ;) Feb 28 16:11:44 raboof: I'll look into the overwrite, merge, skip options Feb 28 16:12:02 Unfortunately, I have had to feel out the dbus interface to address book manually Feb 28 16:12:20 And so far I haven't figured out how to query what's already there Feb 28 16:12:47 I can't find any documentation on evolution db query strings for address book, and the random thing's I've tried haven't been useful Feb 28 16:13:13 Finally I just tried sending a vcard formatted string to addContact (which is what I really wanted in the first place) and it worked Feb 28 16:22:15 Does the neo fast charge while it's suspended? Feb 28 16:22:20 It seems that it couldn't Feb 28 16:22:52 And in that case, it should wake up long enough when plugged in to figure out if it's plugged into a fast charge capable plug, and wake up & charge if it is Feb 28 16:28:46 As long as I can sync my contacts with KDE PIM, I will be happy. Feb 28 16:40:22 RayDar: I won't be altering the address book, just inserting new data into it. It will be as if you hand-entered those contacts, so if you can sync now, you'll still be able to Feb 28 16:40:39 RayDar: I should say, I won't be altering the address book app, just the data Feb 28 17:31:48 Hi, Feb 28 17:32:11 I recently bumped from 1.0.2 to the 1.1 betas, and all my forms broke... Feb 28 17:32:39 I'm using the execute parameter to call javascript, but now it actually submits the form after calling that... Feb 28 17:33:08 What's the best way to stop the form submission, from within my execute function? Feb 28 17:38:44 freelock: Are you in the right channel? Feb 28 17:38:55 Because without context, that doesn't look OM related... Feb 28 17:40:15 whoops, sorry! Feb 28 17:41:19 wurp2: you are not running your websites on OM??? Feb 28 18:06:58 raynet: Heh, nope. Apache + tomcat (Java), Apache + TurboGears (python) Feb 28 18:07:34 I'm afraid my neo would have to become significantly less mobile for me to run my websites on it. Or my phone bill would get pretty big... Feb 28 18:13:25 mmmmm.... Feb 28 18:13:40 has anyone used/seen a helio ocean in the flesh? Feb 28 18:53:53 So what do people tend to find the battery life on this thing tends to be for them? Feb 28 18:56:37 paron_work: I remember someone saying about 8~10hours but that was in time with no power saving Feb 28 18:57:00 errm.. Feb 28 18:57:05 yo'll be lucky Feb 28 18:57:10 you Feb 28 18:57:23 8-10 hours? Not yet Feb 28 18:57:32 ah so it was todo ? :) Feb 28 18:57:34 ScaredyCat: Ya, I wish. Feb 28 18:58:57 it's more like toy than mobile phone to battery life doesn't matter, if someone wants long battery life he should buy minimalistic phone anyway =] Feb 28 18:59:12 *s/to/so Feb 28 19:00:30 a week of standby mode time would be nice Feb 28 19:00:50 does the phone respond to calls when in standby mode? Feb 28 19:01:02 other phones do Feb 28 19:01:06 it doesn't seem to be for me, but I'm not sure if that's due to a bug Feb 28 19:01:11 in the current release Feb 28 19:01:18 well, I know that others do Feb 28 19:04:32 paron_work: Mine isn't responding to calls in standby Feb 28 19:04:41 But I know other people have had it work Feb 28 19:05:00 and 5 hours battery life is on the good side, unless you go into suspend Feb 28 19:05:35 There was someone here who said they got 20+ hours of life in suspend (and their phone would wake from suspend on a call, as well) Feb 28 19:05:59 Frankly, I'm running the 2/20 build, and my gsmd goes down ALL THE TIME Feb 28 19:06:26 heh, I'm running yesterday's snapshot, and it looks like the appbar *still* doesn't work Feb 28 19:07:14 however, phone calls *mostly* work now Feb 28 19:07:21 so it's nearing a usable phone Feb 28 19:11:11 * ScaredyCat doesn;t really get any problesm wiht the gsm side at all Feb 28 19:11:11 mickey|away: Is the dbus interface settled enough for it to make sense for me to scrape it via Introspect & post it on the wiki? Feb 28 19:11:28 ScaredyCat: Maybe I should switch to your build... Feb 28 19:11:49 well, you could try it... see if it helps you :) Feb 28 19:11:52 You just need to get a Kevin for your build so people know what to expect :-) Feb 28 19:12:15 true Feb 28 19:13:23 paron_work: You might think about creating a snapshot page for the 2/27 build and fill out the parts you've already tested... Feb 28 19:35:32 hi guys! I can't find it on wiki: how to turn on fast charging from command line on neo1973? Feb 28 19:37:28 cayco: I have a script to do that for you automatically when slow charge is detected Feb 28 19:37:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script Feb 28 19:38:32 for doing it one time, use echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode Feb 28 19:38:45 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host Feb 28 19:39:29 thx wurp2 :) Feb 28 19:40:54 cayco: yw :-) Feb 28 19:53:13 hello. Feb 28 19:53:25 hi Feb 28 19:53:25 hi Feb 28 19:53:33 I was wondering if it was at all possible to get an openmoko phone onto the verzion network. Feb 28 19:53:47 tds5016, Not until 2010, probably. Feb 28 19:53:59 ouch. Feb 28 19:54:06 that's optimistic Feb 28 19:54:07 Verizon is using CDMA, but they're transitioning to GSM in 2009 Feb 28 19:54:08 I hate verizon... I'll be so glad to be rid of it. Feb 28 19:54:17 kdean06, oh, they are? Feb 28 19:54:19 well, okay then Feb 28 19:54:22 mjr, So I've heard. Feb 28 19:54:37 is it possible to use the pre-paid networks on this phone? Feb 28 19:54:42 I don't know how interoperable it will be, knowing verizon, but the underlying technology will be there. Feb 28 19:54:51 tds5016, Yes. :) From any GSM provider Feb 28 19:54:55 I really want to get one and to play around with it. Feb 28 19:55:11 tds5016, But... You can't buy one. :( Not unless you get is used. Feb 28 19:55:13 mjr: yeah, that's what I heard to, for their 4G network, afaik Feb 28 19:55:19 hehe.. i got a "login:" and no X :) Feb 28 19:55:28 can't get what? Feb 28 19:55:29 how am i supposed to log in :) Feb 28 19:55:33 Neo1973 units are sold out, and Freerunner isn't on sale yet. Feb 28 19:55:39 recall too that a used neo1973 won't work on 850 MHz, which may be an issue for US people Feb 28 19:55:41 emre__: On the Neo? Feb 28 19:55:46 yes.. Feb 28 19:55:49 freerunner should have a 850 version Feb 28 19:55:51 emre__: Can you ssh into it? Feb 28 19:56:02 sure. let me try to run x from ssh. Feb 28 19:56:12 ...that was the idea behind it ;) Feb 28 19:56:19 in all honest I wasn't planning on getting one right away, but I am looking into getting one in the near-ish future. Feb 28 19:56:28 how is it to develop for one of these phones on linux? Feb 28 19:56:31 Ah, okay. :) Feb 28 19:56:36 and what languages are supported? Feb 28 19:56:42 All of them. :) Feb 28 19:56:42 uhh, no ssh.. Feb 28 19:56:49 It's a small GNU/Linux computer. Feb 28 19:57:12 It runs X, so anything X supports is fair game, though C/C++ is at it's core. Feb 28 19:57:19 awesome. So I'll plug it in, and the fs should be readable I'm assuming :-). Feb 28 19:57:39 no, you plug it in and you get an usb network Feb 28 19:57:40 emre__: Odd.. what image did you flash? Feb 28 19:57:42 is freerunner gonna have ruby installed out of the box? or do you recomend sticking with python? Feb 28 19:57:43 welp, I prefer c++ in all honesty. I've been using java way too much recently. Feb 28 19:57:48 SirBob1701: python Feb 28 19:57:55 It doesn't work that way... It's not seen as a mass storage device, but you can SSH into it as if it's on your network (via USB or GPRS) Feb 28 19:58:14 oh, that's REALLY nice. Feb 28 19:58:16 But yeah, the entire filesystem is accessable. Feb 28 19:58:18 I've installed the OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080220-fic-gta01.rootfs.tar file into the SD card. While booting I've got many errors (probably, since i couldn't see them) and finally got the login screen with no X. Feb 28 19:59:03 emre__: I don't have experience with booting from SD, I'm afraid... Feb 28 19:59:07 how do you transfer the code? (I've not done any coding for a device like this before, but I'll be excited to) Feb 28 19:59:37 ipkg -i or whatever you'd use with a networked linux box Feb 28 19:59:52 tds5016: You can use ipkg, scp or just work on the device itself (e.g. using python) Feb 28 19:59:55 There's a utility called dfu-util and then ssh, scp, wget or whatever you prefer. Feb 28 19:59:57 I've followed the instructions on the wiki. Actually, there wasn't anything strange. Just untar'ed the .tar file into /media/card copied the kernel into the /boot and selected boot from sd option in the boot menu. Feb 28 20:00:01 Or scp files over Feb 28 20:00:21 sorry, let me just parrot parts of what kdean06 says ;-) Feb 28 20:00:26 :P Feb 28 20:00:39 welp, I don't know python yet, and I'd rather just write the code in c/c++. but that would work very well. thanks! Feb 28 20:01:05 tds5016: You can develop in qemu if you want to get started before you get a device Feb 28 20:01:39 rather, you can develop in the cross-compilation suite and test on qemu Feb 28 20:02:09 MokoMakefile. :) Feb 28 20:02:10 is the power-btn not longer able to resume? Feb 28 20:02:29 qemu? Feb 28 20:02:51 RedDog, I just resumed from it using power on today's snapshot but I recall that having been an issue a few days ago... Feb 28 20:03:25 RedDog: that is fixed now... Feb 28 20:03:35 but the screen goes all shitty on resume Feb 28 20:04:20 processor emulator, eh... Feb 28 20:04:33 how exactly do I get this to act as if it is the openmoko? Feb 28 20:04:34 ScaredyCat: since when, it's a very very fresh build ;) Feb 28 20:04:57 ScaredyCat: display is ok with my patch ^^ Feb 28 20:05:12 i actually suspended and resume 6 times and it seems to work! ;) Feb 28 20:06:21 Folks, has anyone ever boot from the SD card? Feb 28 20:06:41 wurp2, is there any way you can help getting me started with qemu and the neo1973 Feb 28 20:07:52 tds5016, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile this will help you Feb 28 20:08:08 thanks! Feb 28 20:08:53 There's a makefile command for building a QEMU image and running the software stack in the emulated environment. You can also use that same script to build images that can be flashed to the hardware. Quite handy. :) Feb 28 20:12:37 really? that's pretty awesome! Feb 28 20:16:58 tds5016: I'm sorry, not really. I haven't done any qemu work on it (I have the device). Feb 28 20:17:34 tds5016: But search http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ for qemu, and that with Mokomakefile should take care of you, until you hit the parts where everyone has build failures :-) Feb 28 20:18:48 I've never had a problem on Debian Sid using the AMD64 arch. I may be lucky. :) Feb 28 20:23:30 I'm using ubuntu (I used to be a slackware user but got too lazy to keep up with it) Feb 28 20:23:32 kdean06: You can build using the Mokomakefile? Feb 28 20:23:53 Yeah. I've done builds just to see if I can, after seeing you complain. Feb 28 20:23:55 I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I've tried dozens of times to build, and all fail Feb 28 20:23:57 :-) Feb 28 20:24:12 Hmm, maybe I'll try on my debian server, then Feb 28 20:24:40 Granted, it's possible that you just get bad revisions more frequently than I do, but it's also possible the compiler has a bug or all sorts of things. Feb 28 20:25:00 My problems have never appeared to be architecture related. Possibly related to what packages (and what versions of them) are installed Feb 28 20:25:07 wurp2, And for the record, the daily build images got delayed because openmoko-tasks2 was failing to compile so... Feb 28 20:25:09 Well, at first I was getting download failures Feb 28 20:25:30 Which looked to me like problems external to my box Feb 28 20:26:00 I'm not sure if I'm getting more critical of if GSM is just getting flakier, but I'm striking out a LOT. ::( Feb 28 20:26:27 hi all,i instal on HTC Magician Angstrom with OpenMoko,and i have a qustion - how to change locale on Ru ? Feb 28 20:29:19 When I dug my way past those (I think I downloaded the files from another source), I got other weird errors... some flag not being recognized by a tool called internally by one of the build tools Feb 28 20:29:31 gsm has been bad for me since I updated to 2/20 Feb 28 20:30:14 I can literally start gsmd, run my script to pull all SIM contacts (which works OK) then immediately afterward, gsmd is down Feb 28 20:30:41 And most of the time when I look at my gsm connection, it says requesting, but then settingsgui indicates that gsmd is totally down Feb 28 20:30:59 (looking at the connection on the title bar of the home page) Feb 28 20:31:05 how does the gps work by the way? Feb 28 20:31:18 tds5016: You mean how well does it work? Feb 28 20:31:23 does that work over the cell network? or is it it's own network so you don't have to pay to use the company's network. Feb 28 20:31:32 Nah, it uses gps satellites Feb 28 20:31:36 no charge Feb 28 20:31:50 okay, that's what Iwas wondering... verizon charges for it. that's why I was asking. Feb 28 20:31:52 They just broadcast, so anyone with a receiver can pick up the data Feb 28 20:31:59 verizon is screwing you :-) Feb 28 20:32:00 Viliam_Volos_V: I'd assume you have to install the appropriate locale package and use it Feb 28 20:32:05 I have a basic understanding of how it works, but I wanted ot make sure. Feb 28 20:32:28 mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication Feb 28 20:32:28 mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org Feb 28 20:32:37 yay for that's taking forever... Feb 28 20:32:50 i must install fontsfor new locale ? Feb 28 20:32:56 oh, mokomake will take most of a day Feb 28 20:33:12 geez! just to install a phone emulator?! Feb 28 20:33:16 if it works :-) Feb 28 20:33:31 tds5016: What command did you enter? Feb 28 20:33:32 tds5016: Mokomake builds the whole OM stack, from the kernel up Feb 28 20:33:34 why could that possible take that long? haha. Feb 28 20:33:43 make setup Feb 28 20:33:50 You can install qemu and an image without doing mokomake Feb 28 20:33:55 tds5016: You don't need make setup if you want just qemu Feb 28 20:34:24 welp, I wanna get this running with qemu. I don't know how to really do it thouhg, and I assumed this somewhat automated the process. Feb 28 20:34:25 Viliam_Volos_V: Since OpenMoko is OE-based it might be a good idea to ask in #openembedded Feb 28 20:34:39 I'm not really familiar with qemu :-) Feb 28 20:35:02 ok i ask Feb 28 20:35:08 mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting Feb 28 20:35:08 make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1 Feb 28 20:35:10 ouch :-) Feb 28 20:35:45 how would I set it up without using the mokomake? Feb 28 20:36:41 tds5016: "make qemu" Feb 28 20:37:21 how would I run the device with qemu? Feb 28 20:37:44 or better yet instead of me bothering you guys :-)... Is there a tutorial on qemu? Feb 28 20:37:56 tds5016: There are several makefile targets that aid with that - the "qemu" target takes care of it all to get you up and running Feb 28 20:38:49 tds5016: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile Feb 28 20:39:02 thanks. maybe I can stop being a pain :-) Feb 28 20:40:24 will qemu start up a gui? Feb 28 20:40:37 or does it just allow me access as if I'm ssh'd in? Feb 28 20:40:41 I thought you could install qemu without doing any mokomake stuff... Feb 28 20:40:52 Which I would think would be where tds5016 would want to start... Feb 28 20:41:11 It starts a gui, which looks like the neo screen Feb 28 20:41:16 On my box it is VERY slow Feb 28 20:41:20 wurp2: Using MokoMakefile does not equal building the distribution :) Feb 28 20:41:44 how long should make -qemu take? Feb 28 20:41:50 abraxa_: Sure, but if he can install a prebuilt qemu, which I think is how I did it, it will get him seeing something MUCH faster Feb 28 20:41:54 just curious becuase I've to be headed off to class :-) Feb 28 20:42:22 wurp2: I don't think the qemu-1973 fork has prebuilt binaries Feb 28 20:42:31 Maybe on some buildhost... Feb 28 20:42:43 thanks guys! be back in a few. Feb 28 20:42:46 abraxa_: Weird, I got it set up on mine, and I didn't think I built anything to make that happen Feb 28 20:43:03 See you, tds5016 Feb 28 20:43:07 I thought I just followed some page on the wiki Feb 28 20:43:19 wurp2: *shrugs*... we'll see how it goes for him :) Feb 28 20:43:23 but that was months ago, and it was too slow to do much with Feb 28 20:43:39 wurp2: Sure, if he can build, he's better off in the longer run Feb 28 20:45:24 SWEET! Feb 28 20:45:43 looks like it's loading an x session. Feb 28 20:45:44 er, don't mind me talking to myself Feb 28 20:46:04 it's going slow as hell, and coming up with a lot of bad resgisters, but so long as it doesn't crash I'm happy :-) Feb 28 20:47:30 wow, why does qemu run openmoko so slowly? Feb 28 20:47:36 I hope the device isn't this slow in real life? Feb 28 20:47:48 or is it just slow because of the emulation? Feb 28 20:49:12 The device is nowhere near that slow Feb 28 20:49:22 You can search for neo1973 on youtube to see the device in action Feb 28 20:49:39 I have been told that the emulation is about the same speed as the device for many people Feb 28 20:49:56 The Neo is pretty slow. :P Feb 28 20:49:58 for me it is really about 50 times slower for most operations Feb 28 20:50:15 In comparison to other phones... Yeah. :P Feb 28 20:50:18 Yeah, but qemu takes minutes to switch screens for me Feb 28 20:50:28 QEMU is a bit slower than running it on hardware though. Feb 28 20:50:56 (In the "for me it is" comment, 'it' is qemu, 50 x slower than the neo) Feb 28 20:51:15 so how do I start writing the software on this thing? Feb 28 20:52:34 Hey, has anyone looked into putting preload on the neo? Feb 28 20:53:01 tds5016: For C/C++ work, use Mokomakefile or Toolchain (instructions on the wiki) Feb 28 20:53:10 For python, just install the ipks and write code Feb 28 20:53:18 after running qemu it began to run, then I closed the window... how do I get qemu to start the image again? Feb 28 20:53:40 I don't remember :-) I use my device ;-) Feb 28 20:54:00 found it :-) Feb 28 20:54:00 preload might make a huge difference in perceived performance on the neo Feb 28 20:54:33 RedDog: your patch ? Feb 28 20:55:05 kernel-mailingliste Feb 28 20:56:41 i dont suppose there will be an early dev release of GTA02? ;^) Feb 28 20:57:10 pike_: Yes Feb 28 20:57:18 We will get the hardware in March or April Feb 28 20:57:31 ScaredyCat: did you find it? Feb 28 20:57:36 Whereas the software to make an end user ready phone will be end of the year, if we're lucky :-) Feb 28 20:57:44 no... Feb 28 21:00:55 ah, i though general release was april Feb 28 21:01:51 I don;t see an other patches RedDog Feb 28 21:02:00 s/an/any/ Feb 28 21:02:00 ScaredyCat meant: I don;t see any other patches RedDog Feb 28 21:03:18 pike_: Well, anyone can buy the hardware in April, I think Feb 28 21:03:25 unfortunatly the web interface don't show the mail right: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/001401.html Feb 28 21:03:37 if you like i can send it direct to you Feb 28 21:04:03 pike_: But if you're not willing to tolerate alpha level software, run Linux, & fiddle with config files you're probably not going to be happy with the total package (hardware + software) Feb 28 21:06:35 did they include your patch then... lemmie check Feb 28 21:08:46 ScaredyCat: ? Feb 28 21:08:59 it's in there Feb 28 21:10:24 drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-s3c2410.c | 32 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++- Feb 28 21:10:24 1 files changed, 31 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) Feb 28 21:11:00 Does anyone know how to make an environment on the desktop that uses the neo's gtk theme, so I can run glade in it and get a closer to wysiwyg for building guis for the neo? Feb 28 21:11:32 i.e., either an easy way to switch to the neo theme and back to my standard PC theme, or a way to run a program with an explicit theme Feb 28 21:11:39 modify your gtkrc Feb 28 21:11:54 ScaredyCat: Thanks, I'll google on that & work from there Feb 28 21:13:26 i guess you could just copy the neo's files.. Feb 28 21:13:37 and it's gtkrc Feb 28 21:13:46 after backing up your current one :) Feb 28 21:14:27 have you tried a resume RedDog? Feb 28 21:16:32 ScaredyCat: Cool, thanks! Feb 28 21:17:13 As is probably obvious, I have no experience with gtk beyond what I've gotten playing just a bit in the last couple of weeks while building the charge checking daemon Feb 28 21:32:35 Is randomization broken on the media player now? Feb 28 21:33:53 Oh, it's not broken, I was being an idiot Feb 28 21:37:12 wurp2, Did you get the GTK theme working? I was planning to do that yesterday. :P Feb 28 21:37:57 kdean06: You mean on my home machine? Feb 28 21:38:31 Well, since you say "home machine" I assume you're NOT at home and it's the answer is "No.". But yes, on a full desktop PC. :) Feb 28 21:38:35 I was just asking about putting the neo theme on my desktop for reference when I get home :-) Feb 28 21:39:06 Since the room seems to pretty much clear out here at about 4pm Feb 28 21:56:00 kdean06: See what I mean? ;-) Feb 28 21:56:24 Yeah, I've seen that too, but it's 5. :) Feb 28 21:56:26 * kdean06 chuckles Feb 28 22:30:45 wurp2: You want to use the OM GTK theme on your desktop? Feb 28 22:30:56 Me too. :) Feb 28 22:31:04 Proof-of-concept. :) Feb 28 22:31:38 I'd say http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC#Set_your_theme_to_OpenMoko is what you want Feb 28 22:41:04 abraxa_: I just want to use it so I can build guis with Glade and see them the way they'll look on the neo Feb 28 22:41:34 abraxa_: Then I want to shut it right back off. Hey, thanks for the link! I guess I should search the wiki first, next time :-) Feb 28 22:42:42 You're welcome Feb 28 22:46:41 it's actually much later than 5.... Feb 28 22:46:42 [2008-02-28 21:55:54] Yeah, I've seen that too, but it's 5. :) Feb 28 22:46:51 :p Feb 28 23:45:33 yup... I'm really thinking that the qemu version of the phone that I'm emulating is most definitely not going ot be as fast as running it on the hardware. haha. Feb 28 23:45:37 or at least I hope.... Feb 28 23:49:11 tds5016: http://www.vanille-media.de/images/Fosdem2008-Neo1973-mid.m4v gives you a better idea Feb 29 00:21:24 man, sure would be helpful if this phone made some kind of noise when people called Feb 29 00:21:49 Mine does. Feb 29 00:22:03 but looking at the init messages, looks like the sound server died? Feb 29 00:22:36 maybe today's scaredycat release will fare better than yesterday's :) Feb 29 00:26:22 man Feb 29 00:26:47 the freerunner model doesn't look nearly as sexy as the 1973 does, from a purely aesthetic standpoint Feb 29 00:27:06 Err - I'm pretty sure the case is almost identical. Feb 29 00:27:22 Only having translucent buttons lets you tell that it's not the same case Feb 29 00:27:39 I thought they removed the shiny metal rim? Feb 29 00:27:53 SpeedEvil: If the image on the wiki's main page is a picture of the mass-market case then I have to disappoint :( Feb 29 00:28:17 yeah, looking at the difference between these two: Feb 29 00:28:23 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/1112FIC326x550.jpg/140px-1112FIC326x550.jpg Feb 29 00:28:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GTA02.jpg Feb 29 00:28:39 I'd definetly say the former looks nicer Feb 29 00:29:08 That loks to me like a very bad render Feb 29 00:29:54 it does look pretty damn grainy Feb 29 00:30:19 I hope it's a bad render. Feb 29 00:31:03 Well, I don't know who that Coolcat person is that changed the picture Feb 29 00:32:57 in reality the total black one looks pretty good. it has more underground / geeky style than gta01 Feb 29 00:33:13 what counts though is the additional features, don't you think? ;) Feb 29 00:33:31 I disagree with underground/geeky style Feb 29 00:33:33 abraxa_: i have a nearly mass market model now, we can meet soon if you want Feb 29 00:33:54 paron_work: sure, in the end it's taste Feb 29 00:34:00 mickey|away: I'd love to, especially to discuss the eds replacement ;) Feb 29 00:34:23 man I need to brush up on my C/C++ skills Feb 29 00:34:29 I've been living in a python world for way too long Feb 29 00:34:50 abraxa_: the week from 3th to 9th of March looks good, after that i'm away for until end of March Feb 29 00:35:10 mickey|away: Ah, dang... I'm out of country till 15th =( Feb 29 00:35:42 paron_work: not necessarily. we will increase the importance of python in the platform by an order of magnitude soon... Feb 29 00:35:52 mickey|away: really? :) Feb 29 00:35:54 :D Feb 29 00:35:59 :D :D :D Feb 29 00:36:04 abraxa_: hehe, sounds like end of march then ;) Feb 29 00:36:19 mickey|away: I'd say April then for a meeting... think we can discuss the eds issue these days? I'd like to start asap Feb 29 00:36:20 yeah Feb 29 00:36:31 wifi + python + phone + gps Feb 29 00:36:35 abraxa_: sure. we talk about that on irc Feb 29 00:36:39 *the things I could do* Feb 29 00:36:44 *nod* Feb 29 00:37:02 no matter whether OM Inc. supports that or not. we will push the middleware to a level where you can easily do all the things you want in Py Feb 29 00:37:14 it's going to happen. all will be well Feb 29 00:37:17 and now i'm going to bed Feb 29 00:37:18 mickey|away: Great. Are you going to be around tomorrow? I never quite know when you bug you ;) Feb 29 00:37:19 g'night Feb 29 00:37:20 great ;) Feb 29 00:37:24 g'night Feb 29 00:37:39 abraxa_: yes, tomorrow sounds good. will be here from 12:00 or so Feb 29 00:37:57 mickey|zzZZzz: Awesome, I'll hit you up tomorrow then. Good night! Feb 29 00:38:04 righto. n8 Feb 29 00:38:08 * mwester-trip thinks Perl is not getting enough credit in OM. :/ Feb 29 00:38:23 fear not. with a decent perl-dbus binding you can be on board as well Feb 29 00:38:41 uhoh Feb 29 00:38:55 I hear an ancient lisp developer shaking his fist Feb 29 00:38:59 somewhere in the mountains Feb 29 03:08:06 openmoko: 03werner * r4133 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/fix-i2c-s3c2410-resume-race.patch: Feb 29 03:08:06 openmoko: fix-i2c.patch by Tim Niemeyer Feb 29 03:08:06 openmoko: fix-i2c-s3c2410-resume-race.patch: Feb 29 03:08:06 openmoko: - drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-s3c2410.c (s3c2410_i2c_driver): add suspend callback Feb 29 03:08:06 openmoko: also to 2410 driver Feb 29 03:08:10 openmoko: - drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-s3c2410.c (s3c24xx_i2c_doxfer): print suspend count on rejection Feb 29 03:12:22 bling Feb 29 03:14:48 openmoko: 03werner * r4134 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: Feb 29 03:14:48 openmoko: Remove wakeup on HOLD, because the functionality is questionable, and the Feb 29 03:14:48 openmoko: circuit is actually broken by design. (Suggested by Andy Green.) Feb 29 03:14:48 openmoko: gta01-inputdevice.patch: Feb 29 03:14:48 openmoko: - drivers/input/keyboard/neo1973kbd.c (neo1973kbd_probe): do not wake up on Feb 29 03:14:52 openmoko: HOLD **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 29 03:59:33 2008 Feb 29 04:12:56 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4135 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm-pm/ (. Makefile gsm-pm.c): A wrapper for power control of GSM modem Feb 29 04:33:30 joy of joys Feb 29 04:33:34 internets are working on my openmoko Feb 29 04:34:53 however Feb 29 04:35:36 hm Feb 29 04:35:51 I guess I thought this microsd card had more space than it does? Feb 29 04:36:52 I thought it was supposed to come with 512 mb of space. Either not all of it is mounted, or I might be wrong here Feb 29 04:39:27 http://dpaste.com/37306/ Feb 29 04:39:32 am I missing something? Feb 29 04:42:26 paroneayea: doesn't look like your sd card is mounted at all .. they are all the internal mounts Feb 29 04:42:47 ah, well that would explain it I guess Feb 29 04:42:57 what device should it show up as? Feb 29 04:43:10 paroneayea: It's not mounted. I assume you're using a 2.6.24 kernel? In those, SD support is/has been broken Feb 29 04:43:19 abraxa_: aha Feb 29 04:43:36 yep, sure enough Feb 29 04:43:44 what kernel version might be recommended for now, then? Feb 29 04:43:44 It supposedly has been patched but I'm not sure if that patch made it into OE yet Feb 29 04:44:06 2.6.22.5 Feb 29 04:44:13 abraxa_: sweet, thdx Feb 29 04:44:19 I'm going to flash right now :D Feb 29 04:44:37 No prob - just good luck finding an image that supports 2.6.22.5 cause you can't tell from the file name =\ Feb 29 04:44:44 oh :( Feb 29 04:44:53 Just try Feb 29 04:45:14 Can always dump the modules on the file sys if needed Feb 29 04:45:23 true Feb 29 04:45:52 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/modules-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13-neo1973.tgz just in case Feb 29 04:47:23 abraxa_: sweet, thx Feb 29 04:49:06 np Feb 29 04:50:15 now that I've got networking working, and know how to properly mount my sd card, it's time to start writing some python apps for this sucka Feb 29 04:51:23 hehe that's the spirit Feb 29 05:38:10 abraxa_: Yes, the SD fix is in OE. Feb 29 05:38:48 It just probably isn't in the svn versions being built by the (so-called) stable stuff, I suspect. Feb 29 05:40:43 You can check the svn version for the kernel, the fix appeared around svn 4096 or perhaps a few revs earlier. Feb 29 05:41:54 do we know if the software will be ready when freerunner is? Feb 29 05:48:17 summatusmentis: yes, we do know if it will be ready when the freerunner starts shipping... the answer is no, the software won't be anywhere close to ready! Feb 29 05:53:15 abraxa_: Are you CoolCat on the wiki? Feb 29 07:54:38 wtf is 'HOLD' ? Feb 29 07:55:00 [04:14] openmoko: Remove wakeup on HOLD, because the functionality is questionable, and the Feb 29 07:55:00 [2008-02-29 07:47:20] [04:14] openmoko: circuit is actually broken by design. (Suggested by Andy Green.) Feb 29 08:06:45 good morning Feb 29 08:41:59 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4136 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm-pm/gsm-pm.c: drain the uart before we send AT@POFF Feb 29 09:14:51 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4137 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm-pm/gsm-pm.c: replace sprintf with snprintf Feb 29 09:16:11 :) Feb 29 09:24:01 moin Feb 29 09:35:25 morning Feb 29 09:38:01 morinign Feb 29 09:50:08 lol... Feb 29 09:50:26 * ScaredyCat wonders if he has prior art on visual voicemail Feb 29 09:53:32 only if it's published ;) Feb 29 09:56:39 well,.. Feb 29 09:56:58 http://automated.it/asterisk/ Feb 29 09:57:03 near the bottom Feb 29 09:57:26 http://www.automated.it/files/ Feb 29 09:57:27 even Feb 29 09:57:31 near the bottom Feb 29 09:57:54 where 'Older Stuff' starts Feb 29 10:01:55 the backend code was created: Feb 29 10:01:56 # ls -lah lc.cgi Feb 29 10:01:56 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.6K Sep 11 2004 lc.cgi Feb 29 10:25:17 ls -alh avm.cgi Feb 29 10:25:17 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.5K Sep 8 2004 avm.cgi Feb 29 10:25:23 might be better since: Feb 29 10:25:41 $version = "Asterisk VM -> Symbian Phone Version 0.01"; Feb 29 10:43:08 is it me or is the community main page much more appealing than the official one ? Feb 29 10:50:39 just me then **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 29 10:59:56 2008