**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 29 10:59:56 2008 Feb 29 11:19:44 hi all, does any one when the shop opens again? Feb 29 11:26:21 mohamed, as soon as GTA02 aka freerunner is ready Feb 29 11:28:36 sorry Feb 29 11:31:26 morricone: it was due March now it is due April, would it continue to be postponed ? :( Feb 29 11:31:57 depends if it'll be ready in April Feb 29 11:32:19 mohamed, no one here can answer this question ;) Feb 29 11:32:40 community mailing list is the only place for these answers Feb 29 11:32:47 GTA01 was delayed multiple times as well. Yet it did _eventually_ come out. Feb 29 11:33:33 schedule is always made with assumption that hardware works, when hardware doesnt work delay is needed Feb 29 11:40:18 * Stephmw *likes* an accumulation of plastic and wires... can't really make calles with bust hw though - delay is best Feb 29 11:45:35 * XorA is now using a gta02v5 as his main dev board, so thats a vast improvement Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: 03werner * r4138 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/unbusy-i2c.patch: Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: Extended unbusying also to the GTA02. Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: unbusy-i2c.patch: Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (neo1973_new_second, neo1973_on_key_pressed): do Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: not poll incessantly but only when the PMU has posted an interrupt Feb 29 12:27:04 openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (have_int, pwr_int_pending): detect when one of Feb 29 12:27:08 openmoko: the interrupts we're looking for has occurred Feb 29 12:54:59 http://www.out-law.com/page-8875 threatened regulation of Feb 29 12:55:08 international data roaming charges Feb 29 12:58:35 "stop pulling the wool over your customers eyes, or we will force you" Feb 29 12:58:37 nice Feb 29 13:00:45 the Feb 29 build, boots; shows "Angstrom" and gives me a login: prompt; how to get the GUI? Feb 29 13:18:34 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013555.html Feb 29 13:29:56 25.02.2088 ... Feb 29 13:31:17 Connect up the serrial UPS Feb 29 13:31:19 oops Feb 29 14:31:28 openmoko: 03chris * r4139 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): Feb 29 14:31:28 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (on_incoming_sms): Feb 29 14:31:28 openmoko: Decode UCS-2 messages correctly (thanks Erin Yueh) Feb 29 14:45:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r86 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (ChangeLog init.d.pyneod pyneod setup.py): pyneod: fix some install locations, rename start script Feb 29 14:47:07 yp Feb 29 14:47:28 oh - due is april :/ Feb 29 14:47:45 im not sure if my current phone will last that long Feb 29 14:49:20 XorA, does opkg use .opk files instead of .ipk? Feb 29 14:50:51 Shoragan: no Feb 29 14:51:07 so it stays .ipk? Feb 29 14:51:31 ipk, is just another way of saying .deb anyway Feb 29 14:52:02 I dont think the software actually cares what the extension is Feb 29 14:52:07 ah, ok Feb 29 14:52:21 but the generated files are still named .ipk Feb 29 14:58:07 Shoragan: we havent switched OE to use opkg-native yet Feb 29 14:58:19 i know Feb 29 14:58:22 Shoragan: but thomas would be the one to ask about whether to change extension Feb 29 14:58:31 ok :) Feb 29 15:07:28 i think we should not change the extension until there's an actual format change Feb 29 15:29:26 yeah! Feb 29 15:38:00 * ScaredyCat suggests .exe as a possible new extension Feb 29 15:53:36 wurp2: Nope I'm not, I'm the one asking the question :) Feb 29 16:10:28 abraxa_: Ah, I just saw your name in the list of recent changes along with something about CoolCat Feb 29 16:10:43 I remembered someone had asked who he was; obviously I didn't remember that it was you :-) Feb 29 16:10:48 hehe Feb 29 16:11:25 It's just as mickey_away said yesterday btw - the freerunner will come in an all-black case Feb 29 16:11:37 The picture on the main page is official Feb 29 16:15:21 thx for the info Feb 29 16:15:30 Is there a high res pic available? Feb 29 16:15:54 what no orange? Feb 29 16:15:58 abraxa_: You work for FIC? Feb 29 16:16:19 "The source of the picture comes from our internal Products group. It is confirmed that the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) will indeed be shipped with an entirely black case." is what CoolCat said Feb 29 16:16:47 wurp2: I kinda wish I did ;) Feb 29 16:17:18 The problem is that those cool companies like that (particular multinational ones) know they don't have to pay as much to get great talent Feb 29 16:17:38 So they don't, and I'm too much the software whore to take the cut to work at those great places :-/ Feb 29 16:18:45 It's not so much about the money. It's about working for the Good Guys ;) Feb 29 16:19:11 there are no good guys... Feb 29 16:19:16 except me of course ;) Feb 29 16:19:57 ScaredyCat, you're older than us. You're supposed to be bitter and spiteful! Feb 29 16:20:24 i can has arsemby codez? Feb 29 16:20:27 Hmm, older than me? (37 yrs) Feb 29 16:20:51 abraxa_: old and an ex smoker.... Feb 29 16:20:56 wurp2: yes Feb 29 16:21:43 * ScaredyCat mutters some more.. Feb 29 16:22:00 ScaredyCat: Niiiiiice... so that means we can abuse you cause you're too weak to run away from us :) Feb 29 16:22:02 i rather prefer the old black-silver look Feb 29 16:22:23 ScaredyCat: Have you heard "This Old Man" by MC Frontalot? Feb 29 16:22:25 abraxa_: my evil robots will find you though Feb 29 16:22:34 or we can make fool of him, cause we can just run away :) Feb 29 16:22:39 diego71: That's what I thought as well, though mickey said the all-black one doesn't look bad either.. we'll see Feb 29 16:22:56 no wurp2 - not heard that Feb 29 16:23:35 diego71: you can run all you like, I'm not moving from my chair... Feb 29 16:23:41 'tis free on his website. He's actually astonishingly good for an indie nerd rapper (I normally hate rap...) Feb 29 16:23:53 not til I get my walking stick and zimmer frame Feb 29 16:24:08 url ? Feb 29 16:24:41 nm Feb 29 16:25:05 my old hands can obviously type faster than your brain works :P Feb 29 16:26:27 * diego71 wonders if bug #666 will be never solved, without requiring an exorcism ^^ Feb 29 16:27:07 Only if it's performed on Steve Jobs or Steve Ballmer. Feb 29 16:27:28 doesn't jobs travel in a bubble of evil ? Feb 29 16:27:45 Bubble of money maybe ;) Feb 29 16:28:11 may be it is quite the same :) Feb 29 16:28:18 aye Feb 29 16:31:02 ScaredyCat: I was away... I'm at work, so I really talk in here entirely more than I should anyway Feb 29 16:31:49 yeah, yeah .... you just took an hour to type that, didn't you ? ;) Feb 29 16:32:41 nah, I keep it in a buffer to cut-n-paste, along with this ;-) Feb 29 16:33:11 Last year I spent a few weeks typing all the responses I would ever give Feb 29 16:40:03 I had written a script to force a crash on resume, but for now it resumed the 52th time. Feb 29 16:41:12 is there gonna be java on openmoko? Feb 29 16:41:18 summatusmentis: yes Feb 29 16:41:27 pyjava Feb 29 16:41:27 I think there already is, if you look hard enough Feb 29 16:41:33 * ScaredyCat sniggers Feb 29 16:41:54 well, I don't have a device, so... last time I tried qemu, it was wicked slow Feb 29 16:41:58 RedDog: with no squiffy screen ? Feb 29 16:42:18 nah... we already have jython :) Feb 29 16:42:33 * ScaredyCat shudders Feb 29 16:42:46 ScaredyCat: only in the wakeup phase, after it i can see a normal screen :D Feb 29 16:42:49 we used jython in our intro csci class Feb 29 16:42:53 very slow Feb 29 16:43:02 good stuff RedDog Feb 29 16:43:06 but power-btn works only one time ... Feb 29 16:43:18 then only the AUX-btn works ... Feb 29 16:43:19 diego71: does it use up all your resources in < 1s? Feb 29 16:43:37 ahh.. I've only tired the aux button Feb 29 16:44:02 yes, but it's not easy as in C Feb 29 16:44:05 Anyone looked into a single python runtime that can run multiple apps in their own space? Feb 29 16:44:19 or as efficeintly diego71 ;) Feb 29 16:44:28 efficiently Feb 29 16:44:36 ~spell: efficiently Feb 29 16:44:48 yes, is very important a good crash is quick and fast =P Feb 29 16:45:00 'cause a python app that just sits there waiting takes 4mb memory, 2mb resident Feb 29 16:45:02 yes, don;t want to waste time Feb 29 16:46:10 huh, what's this: s3c24xx-pm: Restore CRC error at 30380000 (bd3d3b6d vs eec8f2f7) Feb 29 16:49:02 aliens! Feb 29 16:49:35 summatusmentis: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java Feb 29 16:49:46 wurp2: thanks Feb 29 16:55:28 summatusmentis: yw Feb 29 16:59:07 lol Feb 29 16:59:20 "There are two main types of Java platforms tha..." Feb 29 16:59:32 at which point there are 3 listed Feb 29 17:00:14 lol] Feb 29 17:13:17 ScaredyCat: it's a wiki; fix it! Feb 29 17:13:20 how does neod injekt suspend mode? Feb 29 17:14:07 RedDog: You mean, what's the ui to turn on suspend mode? Feb 29 17:14:17 RedDog: or technical details? Feb 29 17:14:51 ScaredyCat: (btw, that was (mostly) tongue-in-cheek) Feb 29 17:16:33 made the change... Feb 29 17:16:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges Feb 29 17:17:19 wurp2: looked at it, and neod prints mem\n to /sys/power/state Feb 29 17:18:02 if i use "echo mem > /sys/power/state" suspend and resume works. but if i use neod it doesn't. Feb 29 17:18:02 flash swap that's what we need ;) Feb 29 17:18:25 RedDog: weird Feb 29 17:19:15 RedDog: I know that neod has switched between working & non-working for suspend recently. Are you sure the neod version you're looking at is the one that's running? Feb 29 17:19:51 and does it flush promptly/ Feb 29 17:20:03 will look at it, but the last two times it worked also with neod, maybe just a confusion Feb 29 17:21:26 If it doesn't flush, that could explain it working intermittently Feb 29 17:21:46 what you mean with flush? Feb 29 17:21:50 depending on whether the library decides to implicitly flush or not Feb 29 17:22:01 when you write to a file, normally the data goes into a buffer Feb 29 17:22:10 ah, this flush ... Feb 29 17:22:34 periodically, the data will get written to the file. That should happen always when you close the file, and when you explicitly call flush Feb 29 17:23:24 ah and btw, if i looked correctly neod on my phone is outdated :-( Feb 29 17:30:10 but what the hell is this memory crc error? could it be that the memory is defective? Feb 29 17:40:27 For my script to import contacts from SIM to the address book (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts), right now I just make wild-ass guesses about the type of the contact Feb 29 17:41:05 It would be pretty easy to make it a two step process, creating a text file from the SIM contacts that ppl could edit, then they would import the file using another call to addContact Feb 29 17:41:43 Does anyone give a crap about this? You can also change the contact type in openmoko-contacts itself just by clicking a drop down Feb 29 17:42:44 wurp2, Personally, I don't care. I think that OM-contacts-2 has crappy categories anyway. Feb 29 17:44:03 I agree. I was surprised to see that there was no phone type for cell phones! Feb 29 17:45:02 emdete: I finally saw the vid for pyneo. Very hot stuff! Amazing response times! Feb 29 17:45:23 emdete: Is the whole suite running as one python app? Feb 29 17:51:30 openmoko: 03thomas * r4140 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (pkg.c pkg.h pkg_parse.c): opkg: add support for Tags attribute Feb 29 17:55:24 * ScaredyCat thinks ringtone_quirrels should be hardcoded as the ringtone Feb 29 17:56:40 it's a core with little helper apps wurp2 Feb 29 17:57:05 and yeah, I'd use your import app esp if it did the interim txt file thing Feb 29 17:57:21 cos than I could put that on my sdcard too Feb 29 17:59:45 wurp2: but i really don;t like that idea where if you update/delete the *phone* entry it does the same to the sim! Feb 29 17:59:49 that's so wrong! Feb 29 18:01:10 I agree Feb 29 18:07:19 SpeedEvil or any other OSM folks - any idea why oftc is kicking people (incl me) saying "fix your irc client" ? no sign of a url or anything in the kick message Feb 29 18:09:25 and nothing on www.oftc.net about it either Feb 29 18:09:31 unless i'm blind? Feb 29 18:09:34 Some idiot. Feb 29 18:09:54 Screwed up a mask, or induced a bug that caused it to be easy enough to pick masks. Feb 29 18:09:56 Fixed now. Feb 29 18:10:55 grand so Feb 29 18:11:15 cheers :) Feb 29 18:12:28 ScaredyCat: Oh, I don't do any of that Feb 29 18:13:01 ScaredyCat: Mine is solely a one-way import, taking entries from the SIM contact list & putting them in openmoko-contacts2 Feb 29 18:13:28 copying .. ? Feb 29 18:13:28 That comment about update/delete making changes to the SIM was totally Chiu or whatever his name was Feb 29 18:13:36 yes... Feb 29 18:13:38 ScaredyCat: Yes, just copying Feb 29 18:13:56 The only changes my app makes is to add contacts to OM-contacts2 Feb 29 18:13:58 * ScaredyCat makes a Wookie sound Feb 29 18:15:29 OK, well the app is out there, but right now it doesn't create the intermidiary file - it just puts 'em in contacts2 Feb 29 18:15:34 Why, was it infirm before? Feb 29 18:16:04 It also provides an api to add contact info simply from the command line, if ppl need that functionality and don't want to go on the foray through dbus that I did Feb 29 18:17:00 hi Feb 29 18:17:19 OK, stupid question Feb 29 18:17:19 I bet its in python :P Feb 29 18:17:37 Why does the front page show a picture of a FreeRunner, with 1973 typed out on the UI? Feb 29 18:17:42 ScaredyCat: Of course! Feb 29 18:19:34 wurp2: I think it's merely a bad render. Feb 29 18:20:01 SpeedEvil: of a 1973? Feb 29 18:20:11 Oh, sorry Feb 29 18:20:13 of the case schematics Feb 29 18:20:17 You mean, it's not a pic at alal Feb 29 18:20:26 and someone just put a silly screenshot on it Feb 29 18:20:29 It looks very, very un-pic-like to me. Feb 29 18:20:37 But the question still stands, if it's the FreeRunner, why does it say 1973 Feb 29 18:20:56 Because that's what the uploader chose to put on it. Feb 29 18:21:04 The wiki isn't exactly moderated. Feb 29 18:21:29 wasn't it uploaded by fic? Feb 29 18:21:30 sure, I'm just saying it was a poor choice on someone's part :-) Feb 29 18:21:39 ScaredyCat: no Feb 29 18:21:43 ScaredyCat: just some cat. Feb 29 18:22:12 08:23, 27 February 2008 . . Coolcat Feb 29 18:22:22 Well, what's Brenda's wiki username? Feb 29 18:22:22 not *this* cat I hasten to add Feb 29 18:22:41 hm? what exactly is the problem? Feb 29 18:22:44 brenda Feb 29 18:22:53 heh Feb 29 18:22:55 ruh roh! Feb 29 18:23:14 roh: No problem, just commenting about the FreeRunner image on the wiki front page that says 1973 on the display Feb 29 18:23:35 As we understand it, there is no visible difference. Feb 29 18:23:44 other than the buttons on one being translucent. Feb 29 18:23:47 hehe... just somebody dialed that number for the photo *g Feb 29 18:23:52 actually wurp2 brenda might be coolcat Feb 29 18:23:55 Or is it a real pic? Feb 29 18:24:07 coolcat is brenda, ack Feb 29 18:24:13 k... Feb 29 18:24:28 the pic is either real or displays it quite as ive seen the cases recently Feb 29 18:24:30 * ScaredyCat just looked at the 'official' main page history Feb 29 18:24:43 roh: Ah. Feb 29 18:24:45 it seems a little squashed roh Feb 29 18:25:29 wasn't the 02 supposed to have more hard buttons? Feb 29 18:25:29 yep.. obviously scaled down from some hires original Feb 29 18:25:53 or was that just what I wanted, so i imagined it Feb 29 18:25:53 ScaredyCat: nope Feb 29 18:26:03 ScaredyCat: that was never claimed anywhere. Feb 29 18:26:09 ScaredyCat: just LEDs behind them Feb 29 18:26:30 mmm... must be just in my brain then Feb 29 18:26:32 gta2 has basically the same case. a bit different plastic, lighted buttons and a different interiour (spacers modified for wifi e.g.) Feb 29 18:26:55 ScaredyCat: that's only if you've got the bluetooth neural adaptor. Feb 29 18:27:10 roh: Is there a hi res pic of the gta02 available somewhere? Feb 29 18:27:23 If you can let the teaser pic out, can't we get a good one? ;-) Feb 29 18:27:41 * ScaredyCat points at the helio ocean Feb 29 18:27:53 dunno Feb 29 18:29:09 so has anyone designed a backpack yet ... Feb 29 18:29:14 * ScaredyCat looks at SpeedEvil Feb 29 18:29:35 No. Feb 29 18:29:41 At the moment I'm doing UAVs. Feb 29 18:29:47 :( Feb 29 18:29:58 However, it could make a flying neo. Feb 29 18:30:07 damn it I want my steampunk neo! Feb 29 18:31:58 SpeedEvil: Can it follow me around as I go about my daily life, and have at least a week of battery life? Feb 29 18:32:01 ;-) Feb 29 18:34:26 going wireless brb Feb 29 18:36:28 back Feb 29 18:59:45 mysterios: 3 times boot->pin->powerBtn->suspend->powerBtn->crash and then boot->pin->"echo mem > /sys/power/state"->AUXBtn->Works Feb 29 18:59:53 openmoko: 03mickey * r4141 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Feb 29 18:59:53 openmoko: opkg: Feb 29 18:59:53 openmoko: * remove generated files Feb 29 18:59:53 openmoko: * add autogen.sh Feb 29 18:59:53 openmoko: * move ChangeLog to ChangeLog.ipkg and start new ChangeLog for our changes Feb 29 18:59:54 openmoko: * remove familiar directory Feb 29 19:00:01 I think the PowerBtn brakes suspend... Feb 29 19:00:51 then it would make sense, that the powerBtn sometimes doesn't work after suspend! Feb 29 19:05:36 openmoko: 03mickey * r4142 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (ChangeLog Makefile.am configure.ac src/opkg-frontend.c): opkg: catch up with removals and fix include statement in opkg-frontend.c Feb 29 19:29:34 RedDog: Have you tried the other combo, where you suspend manually using echo, and wake using power? Feb 29 19:35:53 wurp2: moment ... Feb 29 19:36:12 now in suspend .. Feb 29 19:36:33 power-btn ... and now is wake ... Feb 29 19:37:05 :-( Feb 29 19:37:23 now i will get into power menu... power-btn press and nothing .. Feb 29 19:37:27 So it's the way neod is suspending, somehow, not a categorical problem with power wake Feb 29 19:37:38 little longer press on power-btn and now it is off! Feb 29 19:38:05 but no menu ... Feb 29 19:39:11 now i will try manually suspending and then using aux to wake ... Feb 29 19:39:23 i will bet, that power-btn than works as usual ... Feb 29 19:42:38 yes... echoSuspend->Aux->powerMenu works Feb 29 19:46:52 aux wakes with irq, power also? Feb 29 19:48:59 both are wake up sources in recent hardware Feb 29 19:49:08 however, we want to restrict that to only the power button Feb 29 19:49:29 it's actually a historic workaround since the power button was not a wake up source until gta01bv4 Feb 29 19:50:45 mickeyl there are differents for both buttons: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management#Power_Button Feb 29 19:52:46 yes, i know. just forget about AUX though. the canonical way to resume is power-on Feb 29 19:52:51 AUX supported may vanish Feb 29 19:55:34 hey folks. Feb 29 19:55:36 on the gta02.. right? Feb 29 19:55:40 not the 01? Feb 29 19:56:07 didn;t werner try that (removing AUX on 01) and it basically broke resume completely Feb 29 19:56:32 is there a way to connect to the device and see bootup messages? Feb 29 19:56:36 ScaredyCat: no, that was only becuase of 01rev3 Feb 29 19:57:05 emre_: either ipkg remove psplash, or connect via serial (debug board) Feb 29 19:57:43 mickeyl: don't have a debug board, so how does removing psplash work? Feb 29 19:58:01 emre_: login in via ssh; ipkg remove psplash Feb 29 19:58:08 it's be nice if you could dump it all to a file Feb 29 19:58:15 it'd Feb 29 19:58:24 mickeyl: and? Feb 29 19:58:27 for those without a debug board Feb 29 19:58:29 reboot? Feb 29 19:58:35 and watch the LCD Feb 29 19:58:49 and read quickly Feb 29 19:58:53 i don't think you can get serial output via usbtty Feb 29 19:58:55 mickeyl: but it's too fast, i can't read it.. i mean is there another way? Feb 29 19:58:58 ah Feb 29 19:59:10 well, apart from 'dmesg' i don't know anything offhand Feb 29 19:59:37 dmesg will give you the part until init kicks in Feb 29 19:59:47 you could hack sysinit to write debug output into syslog Feb 29 19:59:53 s/debug// Feb 29 19:59:53 mickeyl meant: you could hack sysinit to write output into syslog Feb 29 19:59:54 the problem with dmesg is, i am trying to find out the error messages when booting from the sd card. Feb 29 20:00:04 what is the hold button? Feb 29 20:00:15 RedDog: on headset Feb 29 20:00:15 hehehe Feb 29 20:00:23 the button on the wired headset cable Feb 29 20:00:26 ah ;) Feb 29 20:00:44 * ScaredyCat points @ 12 hours ago ... Feb 29 20:01:04 i don't find where the power button through the pmu is defined as wakeup source Feb 29 20:01:27 so, the kernel messages should be in /var/log right? Feb 29 20:01:50 you probably want to change syslog configuration then Feb 29 20:01:56 default is a circular buffer Feb 29 20:02:00 RedDog: that's what I mean.... the aux seems to be the one taht works, not the power Feb 29 20:02:18 mickeyl: do you know how can i do that? Feb 29 20:02:31 edit some file in /etc Feb 29 20:02:31 ScaredyCat: you mean on gta01-04 power-button is broken by hardware? Feb 29 20:02:34 dunno offhand Feb 29 20:02:40 check busybox manpage Feb 29 20:02:49 ok. let me see. Feb 29 20:02:55 no, it works, just not as a resume source Feb 29 20:03:00 for me at least Feb 29 20:03:07 emre_: look for syslog-ng.conf Feb 29 20:03:21 ScaredyCat: for me it works, but after wakeup system is not stable ... Feb 29 20:03:23 maybe I'm pressing it wrong... Feb 29 20:03:36 but I have never got a resume from power Feb 29 20:04:04 i think there is a mess up with power menu and wakeup or so Feb 29 20:04:12 ScaredyCat: here it works Feb 29 20:04:18 but not good ... Feb 29 20:04:32 you must have magic pixies in your phone then Feb 29 20:04:39 wow ^^ Feb 29 20:05:00 don't let them get away Feb 29 20:05:20 are there more people wich tested this? Feb 29 20:06:35 no, i put some chocolate in the phone, the will stay there :D Feb 29 20:06:52 heehhe Feb 29 20:07:16 dunno - poke wurp2, abraxa_ and CM Feb 29 20:07:52 Hmm? Feb 29 20:10:25 abraxa_: can you test, if the powerbutton works as resume source, for you? Feb 29 20:10:59 Lemme try Feb 29 20:14:49 I can't suspend to begin with. All I get is a blinking cursor for ~30 secs and then X comes back up Feb 29 20:17:44 somone broke curl Feb 29 20:25:34 * pike_ points at RedDog Feb 29 20:27:11 ? Feb 29 20:35:01 RedDog: I'll test too and let you know Feb 29 20:35:44 thanks... Feb 29 20:36:36 ... naa it was me... must have too much pr0n ... disk full Feb 29 20:37:18 pr0n is too hard to see on the neo Feb 29 20:37:33 now I know why they say that makes you blind Feb 29 20:37:37 i think he means the broken curl ... Feb 29 20:38:10 Oh, I wasn't paying attention to what he really meant, I just saw an opp to make a bad joke Feb 29 20:38:51 How long should the neo have to sit idle when I'm in "dim, then lock" mode before it suspends? Feb 29 20:40:24 don't know but it could be a nice test ... Feb 29 20:42:31 Except that since the screen goes black before it suspends, I keep waking it before it's done Feb 29 20:42:43 waking it when I check to see if it's suspended Feb 29 20:43:00 could it be that this lock mode is only the display-lock? Feb 29 20:43:07 I don't think so Feb 29 20:43:21 Because "Dim, but don't lock" locks the display as well Feb 29 20:43:43 I think I've seen ppl in here say that their neo eventually suspended when in "Dim, then lock" mode Feb 29 20:44:47 ok, then i will test! :D Feb 29 20:45:28 use the lock phone option... then t does it instantly Feb 29 20:45:51 I will try that if it hasn't locked after 10 min Feb 29 20:46:05 s/locked/suspended/ Feb 29 20:46:05 wurp2 meant: I will try that if it hasn't suspended after 10 min Feb 29 20:46:06 U fix-i2c-s3c2410-resume-race.patch Feb 29 20:46:08 yay Feb 29 20:46:28 ScaredyCat: ? Feb 29 20:46:51 it finally got updated in trunk Feb 29 20:48:42 wurp2: ok you are right mine is in suspend now :D Feb 29 20:51:06 RedDog: Looks as if mine is too Feb 29 20:51:21 woke from power just fine Feb 29 20:53:05 hhhhmmmmmmmmmm Feb 29 20:53:58 gsm was dead when it woke back up Feb 29 20:54:06 but it often is for me on this release :-( Feb 29 20:54:16 yes, gsm is dead... Feb 29 20:54:41 ScaredyCat, wurp2: wich uboot version do you have? Feb 29 20:54:50 Dunno :-/ Feb 29 20:54:54 The one that came on the phone Feb 29 20:55:01 Dunno how to check Feb 29 20:55:44 mine is pretty recent Feb 29 20:56:03 wurp2: phone off -> aux + power button Feb 29 20:56:32 mine is "U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r0 (Aug 19 2007 - 19:17:12)" Feb 29 20:57:07 oh, yeah Feb 29 20:57:23 Sorry, never paid attention to what the boot menu says other than options to choose from :-) Feb 29 20:58:05 and wich one is on your phone? Feb 29 20:58:37 1.3.1 ( Jan 23 2008) Feb 29 20:58:51 svn rev 3817 Feb 29 20:59:44 could it be possible that u-boot brakes power-button? Feb 29 21:00:57 uboot 1.2.0 Feb 29 21:01:17 lol ...now it's made me a liar Feb 29 21:01:43 but once I use the power I can't get to the menu again Feb 29 21:01:58 so you can't shut down? Feb 29 21:02:35 I can if I hold it in for 8 seconds Feb 29 21:02:38 ish Feb 29 21:02:49 emergency power off iirc Feb 29 21:03:53 Hmm, that has never worked for me Feb 29 21:03:59 I don't think I've tried for a bit Feb 29 21:04:09 of course you can always "shutdown now" Feb 29 21:04:16 it's been fixed in recent builds iirc Feb 29 21:04:45 ah, cool! Feb 29 21:04:57 Although that's info it would be good to see an announcement on Feb 29 21:05:09 there was Feb 29 21:05:20 Since I had gotten comfortable holding that button down until the neo would wake up & give me the menu Feb 29 21:05:28 at least in dev lists Feb 29 21:05:30 ah, maybe I skimmed over that memo Feb 29 21:05:34 I'm not on the kernel list Feb 29 21:05:54 or maybe the app devel list, either... but that sounds like something that should be on device-owners Feb 29 21:06:07 migh have been , just lookin Feb 29 21:15:41 OK, my neo just suspended on its own (I forgot to turn it back to dim, don't lock) Feb 29 21:15:49 And I used aux to wake it, and it's busted Feb 29 21:15:59 all flickery? Feb 29 21:16:09 all dead Feb 29 21:16:15 oh... Feb 29 21:16:20 it clicked, and the screen flashed once Feb 29 21:16:35 mine comes back to life ok wiht aux ... but it's very flickery Feb 29 21:16:49 I pulled the battery for 5 secs Feb 29 21:16:52 like 2 screens are fighting to display Feb 29 21:16:54