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Mar 19 01:26:58 <wurp2|gone> summatusmentis: re: dbus, I just searched around on the web
Mar 19 01:27:12 <wurp2|gone> summatusmentis: I have some scripts that walk the dbus and issue method calls (in python)
Mar 19 01:27:26 <wurp2|gone> summatusmentis: Which is how I generated the dbus api docs that are on the wiki
Mar 19 01:28:17 <summatusmentis> wurp2|gone: I'm just wondering about the projects that could be based on openmoko, and how much pre-req knowledge is needed
Mar 19 01:29:12 <wurp2|gone> dbus is really really easy
Mar 19 01:29:32 <wurp2|gone> at least, for someone with a couple of decades of software dev exp
Mar 19 01:30:22 <wurp2|gone> but I think it's just pretty darn easy
Mar 19 01:30:39 <wurp2|gone> as programming tasks go, regardless of your experience
Mar 19 01:32:15 <wurp2|gone> really gone again
Mar 19 01:54:15 <SpeedEvil> Interesting. Seems like DRAM doesn't actually lose bits as dast as most people assumed.
Mar 19 01:54:44 <SpeedEvil> You can recover 99.9% of memory by powering off and rebooting into a hostile OS.
Mar 19 02:05:04 <XorA> SpeedEvil: you can see that on GTA02, the framebuffer still has the picture upto 5 minutes after battery is removed
Mar 19 02:05:23 <XorA> SpeedEvil: that research paper was bogus though, that exploit was know for at least 10 years
Mar 19 02:08:18 <summatusmentis> is there an email app for openmoko?
Mar 19 02:08:39 <summatusmentis> maybe I'm just not paying attention at all, but I don't think I've ever heard of one
Mar 19 02:09:59 <SpeedEvil> Keeping it in the public eye is good though
Mar 19 02:26:02 * Aria is away: Y'know. Stuff.
Mar 19 02:39:58 <summatusmentis> hi mickey 
Mar 19 02:40:10 <mickey> hi
Mar 19 02:41:22 <summatusmentis> mickeyl|bossa: do you recall the discussion on angstrom-devel about a dbus/HAL based replacement for zaurusd?
Mar 19 02:41:30 <mickeyl|bossa> of course
Mar 19 02:42:12 <summatusmentis> I'm thinking about suggesting that sort of project as an openmoko, as Agnstrom didn't get an application in on time
Mar 19 02:42:13 <mickeyl|bossa>  hmm
Mar 19 02:42:24 <mickeyl|bossa> that's  bad
Mar 19 02:42:31 <summatusmentis> it's bad?
Mar 19 02:42:35 <mickeyl|bossa> i thought crofton was going to handle that?
Mar 19 02:42:52 <summatusmentis> he was, and tried to, but got confused about the time of the due date
Mar 19 02:42:53 <mickeyl|bossa> seems you can't rely on people *sigh*
Mar 19 02:43:03 <summatusmentis> was sitting down to do that application as the it was due
Mar 19 02:43:19 <summatusmentis> honest mistake, but kinda careless
Mar 19 02:43:35 <mickeyl|bossa> k.
Mar 19 02:43:55 <mickeyl|bossa> ya, feel free to suggest that project as OM project
Mar 19 02:44:15 <mickeyl|bossa> please incorporate my thoughts as written on the freesmartphone.org 
Mar 19 02:44:21 <mickeyl|bossa> and think about doing it in Vala
Mar 19 02:45:05 <mickeyl|bossa> i'm trying to get more than 3 slots this year
Mar 19 02:45:11 <mickeyl|bossa> but i have no idea whether that'll work ;)
Mar 19 02:45:38 <summatusmentis> does google usually limit slots?
Mar 19 02:46:43 <mickeyl|bossa> yep
Mar 19 02:47:03 <summatusmentis> I'm assuming this is kind of a big project, are there mentors I should potentially talk to? or is none of that decided yet?
Mar 19 02:47:18 <mickeyl|bossa> we get like dozens of applications, but only a very limited number gets granted by google (naturally, this costs money)
Mar 19 02:47:37 <summatusmentis> of course, that's why it's an application process
Mar 19 02:47:39 <mickeyl|bossa> mentor registration will come within the next couple of days
Mar 19 02:48:04 <mickeyl|bossa> i'd suggest just try to come up with a good plan, and then we can refine this via the SoC interface forms
Mar 19 02:48:17 <mickeyl|bossa> potential mentors will show up (hopefully;)
Mar 19 02:48:40 <summatusmentis> alright. I feel like my background( or lack thereof) may be a hindrance to a 'good plan', which is why I was gonna maybe talk to people ahead of time
Mar 19 02:49:58 <mickeyl|bossa> well
Mar 19 02:50:01 <mickeyl|bossa> the problem is...
Mar 19 02:50:09 <summatusmentis> there isn't anyone?
Mar 19 02:50:11 <mickeyl|bossa> I'm probably the only potential mentor for this project
Mar 19 02:50:20 <mickeyl|bossa> and i have tons of things to do
Mar 19 02:50:29 <summatusmentis> totally fair
Mar 19 02:50:50 <mickeyl|bossa> which makes it kinda hard to find time to think about it beforehand (apart from the stuff that's written in blog postings and on fs.o)
Mar 19 02:52:03 <summatusmentis> right, I can see that. I'll try and look into dbus/HAL on my own, and submit as good of a plan as I can come up w/, how's that?
Mar 19 02:53:44 <mickeyl|bossa> sounds pretty good
Mar 19 02:54:04 <mickeyl|bossa> the one thing i absolutely think is necessary is:
Mar 19 02:54:04 <summatusmentis> alright, will you be around to maybe bounce ideas off of? or not really/
Mar 19 02:54:45 <mickeyl|bossa> i'm in brazil doing heavy work with INdT until saturday
Mar 19 02:54:57 <mickeyl|bossa> i try to be on the net, but i'm not sure
Mar 19 02:55:12 <summatusmentis> oh, alright
Mar 19 02:55:16 <mickeyl|bossa> feel free to just dump off ideas of course
Mar 19 02:55:39 <summatusmentis> dump off?
Mar 19 02:55:57 <mickeyl|bossa> bounce, of course ;)
Mar 19 02:56:09 <macdonalder> float works too :D
Mar 19 02:56:12 <mickeyl|bossa> heh
Mar 19 02:56:16 <summatusmentis> oh, alright, is email better?
Mar 19 02:56:33 <mickeyl|bossa> yeah, email may be better
Mar 19 02:56:57 <mickeyl|bossa> although i can not guarantee fast replies ;)
Mar 19 02:57:04 <summatusmentis> alright, then I don't have to stare at a blank irc channel for days on end :-)
Mar 19 02:57:08 <mickeyl|bossa> hehe
Mar 19 02:57:54 <summatusmentis> alright, what's the one thing you think is absolutely necessary?
Mar 19 02:59:42 <XorA> hola mickeyl|bossa 
Mar 19 02:59:56 <mickeyl|bossa> hola XorA 
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