**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 20 02:59:56 2008 Mar 20 03:39:29 kdean06: So what's the final verdict? Does sound work on the 3/19 build? Mar 20 03:40:07 kdean06: I think so Mar 20 03:42:53 tick35: OK, I'm confused - are you answering me, or continuing a prior conversation with kdean06 ? Mar 20 03:43:14 :P Mar 20 03:43:17 I am sorry Mar 20 03:43:45 I must be blind ~_~ I saw the wrong name. Mar 20 03:44:08 np Mar 20 03:44:13 Just making sure :-) Mar 20 03:44:13 wurp2|away: I am answer you that, I think sound works Mar 20 03:44:19 awesome, thanks! Mar 20 03:44:46 I know kdean06 (the guy who does the reviews) had audio crap out on him for that build on his 3rd reboot or so Mar 20 03:45:04 dunno if he isolated it to some other issue, or rebooted again and it was ok, or what Mar 20 03:52:05 HELP? kernel-panic on hx4700. things i have done before: Mar 20 03:52:38 1Compiling openmoko for hx4700 (full log http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html) Mar 20 03:53:58 2 Booting with HARET and Angstrom zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) Mar 20 03:56:19 openmoko uses kernel 2.6.21-hh20-r14_hx4700 but newest zImage is 2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700. Could there be the error? Mar 20 03:57:18 wurp2|away: sound should be working, I fixed the core problem a few days ago Mar 20 04:01:43 XorA: Thanks! Mar 20 05:28:49 wurp2|away, I rebooted after that failed time and it's been working fine since then. In fact, it's signifigantly more clear than the 28 Feb 2008 image so I'd suggest using it. :) Mar 20 06:50:48 openmoko: 03werner * r4230 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/console-ansi.patch: (log message trimmed) Mar 20 06:50:48 openmoko: From: andrzej zaborowski Mar 20 06:50:48 openmoko: That could be an image too big ( > 60MB) but isn't in this case. Qemu Mar 20 06:50:48 openmoko: tracked it down to a memory corruption in latest u-boot. Attached Mar 20 06:50:48 openmoko: u-boot patch should help (inlined for viewing). Mar 20 06:50:52 openmoko: console-ansi.patch: Mar 20 06:50:54 openmoko: - drivers/video/cfb_console.c (process_sequence): memsetl size is in words, not Mar 20 07:15:18 good morning Mar 20 07:43:50 thos: ping Mar 20 07:44:53 ScaredyCat: yes, more people to hate on thos :-) Mar 20 07:46:07 naa, just wondered if he'd seen my comment earlier... Mar 20 07:46:20 iirc he was playing with the icons Mar 20 07:46:35 but the makefile isbroken for the stock ones Mar 20 07:46:55 because either it had the wrong filenams, or he forgot to commit them Mar 20 07:47:45 ScaredyCat: that was why I was hating on him :-) Mar 20 07:47:57 oh.. Mar 20 07:48:22 wll, if i fixed it for myself, you should be able to without even thinking :) Mar 20 07:59:27 ScaredyCat: ${AUTOREV}-1 :-) Mar 20 07:59:52 well, no I just edited the makefile :) Mar 20 08:00:46 Ive spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev Mar 20 08:00:48 wouldn't that make you -1 versio behind for everythign? Mar 20 08:01:05 sounds like fun... Mar 20 08:01:05 ScaredyCat: no, it wouldnt actually work at all :-) Mar 20 08:01:14 meld is good :-) Mar 20 08:01:34 mmm... that seems pretty poor... Mar 20 08:02:07 why poor? Mar 20 08:02:15 no translation... Mar 20 08:02:28 $(( it and it works? Mar 20 08:03:26 let's see if this puppy boots Mar 20 08:04:06 ScaredyCat: can you provide a diff for that Makefile, I can put that straight in svn Mar 20 08:04:46 errm... Mar 20 08:04:57 I have rm_work turned on Mar 20 08:05:11 but it is an easy fix... Mar 20 08:05:40 ${OMDIR}/build/tmp/work/all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-0.1.0+svnr4226-r1/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ Mar 20 08:06:08 the makefile.am in there, remove all the icons that aren't in the stock dir... Mar 20 08:06:25 ie most of them except the ones with moko in the title Mar 20 08:06:29 at the end of the list Mar 20 08:07:23 * XorA will try and look at that later Mar 20 08:07:38 lets see if I have busted image builds completely Mar 20 08:08:55 * ScaredyCat suspects so ;) Mar 20 08:11:56 might sound like a silly question... Mar 20 08:12:14 but why aren't contacts sorted alphabetically ? Mar 20 08:13:25 :o new button on dialer Mar 20 08:13:40 s/dialer/answerer/ Mar 20 08:13:40 ScaredyCat meant: :o new button on answerer Mar 20 08:17:39 ScaredyCat: I know nothing about the pimlico apps Mar 20 08:18:02 pimlico ? Mar 20 08:19:02 ongah! Mar 20 08:19:24 they removed the aux button completely... :/ Mar 20 08:19:54 ScaredyCat: yeah, that needs to be fixed, and pimlico is the OH PIM apps that OM ones are based on Mar 20 08:20:07 ahh ok... Mar 20 08:20:17 !ombug 1280 Mar 20 08:20:19 * * Bug 1280, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Mar 20 08:20:20 * * lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de: qvga themes/icons do not build due to sed problem Mar 20 08:20:21 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 Mar 20 08:20:25 !ombug 1282 Mar 20 08:20:25 * * Bug 1282, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown Mar 20 08:20:26 * * will(AT)openmoko.com: Remove rotate display option Mar 20 08:20:27 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 Mar 20 08:21:05 they removed the entire menu to get rid of one option! Mar 20 08:21:12 * ScaredyCat sobs Mar 20 08:21:32 ScaredyCat: Im not sure of the logic behind that Mar 20 08:21:51 ScaredyCat: feel free to re-open that bug and point out GTA01 is crippled by that change Mar 20 08:22:19 Well, we're lucky he aint a doctor... "I'm sorry sir, you have a slight cut on your toe, we'll have to remove the leg" Mar 20 08:22:47 She Mar 20 08:27:09 She / He / it Mar 20 08:27:26 I still don;t want my leg cut off :) Mar 20 08:28:00 * * OM Bug 1284 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it Mar 20 08:28:03 * * Contacts are not sorted. Mar 20 08:28:05 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1284 Mar 20 08:28:43 morning Mar 20 08:41:00 whats up gang? Mar 20 08:41:06 <--- still building building building . Mar 20 08:41:30 Running task 2588 of 5373 Mar 20 08:41:56 are you using om or oe dev ? Mar 20 08:41:58 * XorA is building two images at once and killing this poor machine Mar 20 08:42:03 om Mar 20 08:42:06 [2008-03-20 07:59:41] Ive spent all day merging the OM mtn into OE.dev Mar 20 08:42:16 to be honest ScaredyCat i'm really not sure of the differences. Mar 20 08:42:16 you might want to start again Mar 20 08:42:25 what, why? Mar 20 08:42:36 i don't get it to be honest. Mar 20 08:42:43 i just want a stable caught-up build system image. Mar 20 08:42:46 oe.dev is the latest stuff, om is the 'safe' stuff Mar 20 08:42:52 whats with all these freakin' changes that makes things borked? Mar 20 08:43:03 okay how do i switch from om to oe.dev, with mokomakefile? Mar 20 08:43:26 make update-bleeding-edge Mar 20 08:43:53 ok then what? Mar 20 08:43:58 :o rwhitby! Mar 20 08:44:01 then proceed as normal Mar 20 08:44:04 ok Mar 20 08:44:08 doing that now then. Mar 20 08:44:18 hopefully i can get back to apps-writing on the weekend, sheesh .. Mar 20 08:44:53 isn't there a stable SDK now? Mar 20 08:45:13 afaik it doesn't build Mar 20 08:45:17 * rwhitby has two dead GTA01s which won't charge anything, so has not been following closely ... Mar 20 08:45:23 :O Mar 20 08:45:56 rwhitby: i have one dead gta01 just like that too. what shall we do? Mar 20 08:48:27 so, can i get a yes/no: make update-bleeding-edge && make openmoko-devel-image Mar 20 08:48:30 \? Mar 20 08:49:19 that's what I'd do if I wanted an oe.dev image Mar 20 08:49:23 hrmm, we thought you had Mar 20 08:49:51 but this will work and will be safe and i can happily continue to hack away once its done, right? Mar 20 08:50:05 safe? Mar 20 08:50:20 also: where is the latest 'good fun' image to put on my gta01 in the meantime? scaredy you still got a published image, or is there another one out there with all the bells and whistles which someone might sugest? Mar 20 08:50:28 well if rwhitby is telling you how to use his makefile to switch, then that's safe Mar 20 08:50:34 safe as in i won't have to stop it and start it again in 8 hours .. Mar 20 08:50:45 the actual build, there are never any guarentees Mar 20 08:50:49 torpor: you'll always need to do that, it's OpenEmbedded ... Mar 20 08:50:51 for oe.dev or om Mar 20 08:51:12 ah Mar 20 08:51:14 torpor: I still build.. Mar 20 08:51:17 ok Mar 20 08:51:30 the one on my buildhost form yesterday is good, running on mine now Mar 20 08:51:33 coz i want to put a new image on my gta01 and get back to experimenting with it .. Mar 20 08:51:38 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Mar 20 08:51:46 thanks Mar 20 08:51:50 i'll check it out now .. Mar 20 08:52:09 it eve has an incoming ring :) Mar 20 08:52:10 OE.dev is probably broken Mar 20 08:52:12 even Mar 20 08:52:22 whats that? Mar 20 08:52:27 XorA: why? Mar 20 08:52:40 !!! Mar 20 09:08:05 openmoko: 03werner * r4231 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor: Mar 20 09:08:05 openmoko: wpwrak: that's true... heh, you used uboot=$1 in mknor but still Mar 20 09:08:05 openmoko: +use $1 after it Mar 20 09:50:21 openmoko: 03thomas * r4232 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ (101 files): icons: add missing 22x22 stock icons Mar 20 09:54:10 ScaredyCat, that should fix it Mar 20 09:54:12 ScaredyCat, I hope Mar 20 09:54:32 :) Mar 20 09:54:45 what are they used for ? Mar 20 09:54:48 those icons Mar 20 09:55:08 ScaredyCat, which ones? Mar 20 09:55:12 ScaredyCat, 22x22? Mar 20 09:55:14 yes Mar 20 09:55:19 qvga Mar 20 09:55:24 oh... Mar 20 09:55:35 dcordes_ asked about a qvga theme Mar 20 09:55:40 which I said was unnesaccary Mar 20 09:55:42 not really an issue then Mar 20 09:58:25 we need to find an artist willing to draw a nice theme for openmoko Mar 20 09:58:28 hrm Mar 20 09:58:36 s/artist/good artist Mar 20 10:00:24 thos email alberto@cored.org for samples of hsi work :) Mar 20 10:00:41 xcasex, for free? Mar 20 10:01:16 he has some stuff on the wiki iirc Mar 20 10:01:18 it's god Mar 20 10:01:21 good Mar 20 10:02:13 * thos not impressed by the website Mar 20 10:02:52 we want Geiger icons :-) Mar 20 10:03:26 thos, he's an artist. what do you expect, for it to suit your taste? ;) look at the detour & detroit themes :) Mar 20 10:03:40 i'm sure raster will vouch for him as well Mar 20 10:03:47 er Mar 20 10:03:58 I don't think any vouch from raster will imrpove my impression Mar 20 10:04:07 tssk. Mar 20 10:04:15 he cant use mencoder anyway :-) Mar 20 10:04:33 anything better then the current theme, is a vast improvement :p Mar 20 10:04:53 xcasex, yeah, we could all use default GTK+ theme Mar 20 10:04:59 Boris Valejero :-) Mar 20 10:05:00 blindlingly fast Mar 20 10:05:25 Edwin McTavish Mar 20 10:05:31 gosh, enlightenment does make me laugh Mar 20 10:05:39 "General Settings - Framerate" WTF Mar 20 10:05:47 thos i love it ;) Mar 20 10:06:01 thos but enough trolling though. Mar 20 10:06:17 * thos waits for the go-faster stripes Mar 20 10:06:39 i think alberto is a good interface designer, and i consider that approaching him for a mockup might be a good move. Mar 20 10:06:50 alberto who? Mar 20 10:07:16 alberto castro Mar 20 10:07:28 * thos discovers text-as-images in this cored.org - BALETED Mar 20 10:08:01 FAIL Mar 20 10:08:12 ah that's the word these days Mar 20 10:08:27 thos, even so, interface designer, not xhtml/css designer :) Mar 20 10:08:36 xcasex, uh Mar 20 10:08:38 he's been wanting me to redo that site forever. Mar 20 10:08:38 xcasex, no Mar 20 10:08:47 xcasex, interface designers understand a11y Mar 20 10:08:54 they do? Mar 20 10:08:56 wow. Mar 20 10:08:58 they *should* Mar 20 10:09:00 that's new :) Mar 20 10:09:05 otherwise they're going to be pretty poor Mar 20 10:09:22 thos, the world outside of OSS is so far from understand uxd how can you even expect them to grasp axy ? Mar 20 10:09:44 xcasex, ? Mar 20 10:09:46 *understading Mar 20 10:09:54 xcasex, I know interaction designers Mar 20 10:10:00 thos: i educate them :) Mar 20 10:10:07 right... Mar 20 10:10:12 haha :) Mar 20 10:10:24 with your crazy gothic styles Mar 20 10:10:26 hmm Mar 20 10:10:55 my crazy gothic styles? Mar 20 10:11:01 that's his design Mar 20 10:11:06 i've seen your websites! Mar 20 10:11:16 my site is still over at blog.asystemapart.com :p Mar 20 10:11:23 brb Mar 20 10:15:29 semitransparent background + fixed background = bad Mar 20 10:23:25 back Mar 20 10:23:46 thos, really though, gothic is a niiice style ;D Mar 20 10:23:59 too many goths in OpenMoko Mar 20 10:25:40 xcasex, well, feel free to get started on "neo underworld" Mar 20 10:28:40 thos, oh. i'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Mar 20 10:28:48 anyway, bbiab 1h gotta mount up a sideboard. Mar 20 10:29:16 anyone gotten usb host working on the neo1973 yet? Mar 20 10:29:21 i wanna do that soon .. Mar 20 10:36:07 torpor: hi usb-host work fine here Mar 20 10:36:20 Marcel_M: did you follow the guide on the wiki to build the cable, or .. ? Mar 20 10:36:48 yes i made me a 3headed cable Mar 20 10:36:54 i gotta do that Mar 20 10:37:23 its supersimple Mar 20 10:37:57 torpor: http://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-1.jpg Mar 20 10:38:08 http://celtune.morb-design.com/powered_usb_cable-2.jpg Mar 20 10:38:34 cool thanks marc Mar 20 10:38:44 i'm going to build that cable and then add a midi interface to my neo .. ;) Mar 20 10:39:04 torpor: great! Mar 20 10:40:00 btw usb-host mode should work with every newer kernel this one is tested with usb-host mode http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4194-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin Mar 20 10:41:25 cool Mar 20 10:42:50 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4233 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: put AUX key event back (Erin Yueh) Mar 20 10:47:43 yaay!! Mar 20 12:06:45 openmoko: 03thomas * r4234 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_configure.c opkg_download.c opkg_remove.c): opkg: remove some printfs and replace with opkg_message where appropriate Mar 20 12:17:19 openmoko: 03thomas * r4235 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac libopkg/Makefile.am): Mar 20 12:17:19 openmoko: opkg: Fix md5 sum on big endian systems. Mar 20 12:17:19 openmoko: Patch from Jeremy Lainé Mar 20 12:30:37 hi Mar 20 12:31:13 HELP? I have written a short letter to avoid SPAM in this channel: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html I would be very pleased, if sb could help me to resolve the "Freeing init memory: 84K" Mar 20 12:31:21 the htc magician is called vpa compact IV/V in the vodafone shop? Mar 20 12:38:01 * * OM Bug 1285 has been created by andy(AT)openmoko.com Mar 20 12:38:02 * * WLAN stability issue with WPA Mar 20 12:38:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1285 Mar 20 12:56:20 hi Mar 20 12:57:08 Hi Mar 20 13:24:23 hi Mar 20 13:25:00 hi Mar 20 13:25:24 what is an irc for, when nb is talking to each other? Mar 20 13:27:13 mellhen: it gives us the opportunity to do so should we wish... what's on your mind? Mar 20 13:27:44 Is anyone actively using Perl with Openmoko? Mar 20 13:34:54 irc isn't always instant... Mar 20 13:35:11 you can ping people, ask questions and get the answers later... Mar 20 13:35:20 ok Mar 20 13:35:58 but who is looking up the whole text to find questions users have written houers before? Mar 20 13:36:25 mellhen: if you dont like it, dont use it.. it seems to work Mar 20 13:36:27 people usually wait until a question is asked before answering Mar 20 13:36:46 :) Mar 20 13:37:31 and if you're lucky, only those who actually know the answer will respond :-) Mar 20 13:37:42 so how it is passible to advise sb on my question? Mar 20 13:37:51 ok Mar 20 13:38:04 don't ask to ask, just ask. Mar 20 13:38:54 ok my question is in this letter (http://www.fileupload.net/download-738393/hx4700.html) Mar 20 13:40:05 a one line plain text summary in the channel is usually the way people start ... Mar 20 13:40:51 (as opposed to pointing to a document that no longer exists on a site that bombards you with advertising ...) Mar 20 13:40:52 The document you requested was not found. May we suggest our home page? Mar 20 13:42:42 Ok ill try plain text. (but first the link again: http://www.file-upload.net/download-738006/--make-openmoko-devel-image2.html ) Mar 20 13:42:52 mellhen: Mar 20 13:42:55 !logs Mar 20 13:42:55 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Mar 20 13:42:56 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Mar 20 13:42:57 Live-logs are available at Mar 20 13:42:58 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Mar 20 13:43:03 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Mar 20 13:43:11 mellhen: what is your question? Mar 20 13:43:18 people look at the logs, fill in the wiki etc Mar 20 13:43:28 nobody wants to read some text without knowing whats the topic Mar 20 13:44:19 * rwhitby is wary of being pointed to a file download site (which could be serving up any executable to him) just to see a question ... Mar 20 13:44:19 is it SFW ? Mar 20 13:44:33 and instead of an fileupload service you could use something like http://nopaste.snit.ch/ Mar 20 13:44:51 yes thats right i will try to improve my proceeding Mar 20 13:45:17 i noticed taht this was the wrong link ;( shame on me sry Mar 20 13:45:49 mellhen: what's the question? Mar 20 13:46:03 post your question, paste the link to a nopaste with the log and THEN somebody MAYBE will help you Mar 20 13:46:26 * rwhitby notices "make" but looses patience when someone can't ask a question within 20 minutes ... Mar 20 13:46:48 night all Mar 20 13:47:02 rwhitby: ack. n8 Mar 20 13:48:10 ill short the letter and paste it here one moment Mar 20 13:48:20 gn8 Mar 20 13:48:23 The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. Mar 20 13:48:23 I booted wi Mar 20 13:48:27 mellhen: and please.. ask a FUCKING QUESTION Mar 20 13:48:53 I want to boot openmoko on my hx4700. Mar 20 13:48:53 The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. Mar 20 13:48:53 I booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin. Mar 20 13:48:53 With this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel. Mar 20 13:48:53 When i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on. Mar 20 13:50:49 how to resolve the "Freeing init memory issue"? Mar 20 13:51:46 stopping at that point usually means that the rootfs can't be loaded for some reason. Mar 20 13:51:53 are you a kernel hacker? Mar 20 13:52:32 no, realy ia am an "advanced" user with bad english-knowledge and wordstock Mar 20 13:53:00 don't worry about your english - it's bound to be 100% better than me trying to speak in your native tongue. Mar 20 13:53:26 so you are a native speaker in english? Mar 20 13:53:42 has anyone else been successful in booting openmoko on the hx4700, or are you the first to try it? Mar 20 13:53:44 ok back to the topic Mar 20 13:53:58 I speak Australian - some say that it sounds a bit like English :-) Mar 20 13:54:31 only in america ;) Mar 20 13:54:33 ok thats not english. a friend stays in australia at this moment ^^ Mar 20 13:55:04 again back to topic Mar 20 13:55:45 * rwhitby is not able to help futher with hx4700 kernel debugging. Mar 20 13:55:46 @rhwhitby : so maybe the zImage is broken? Mar 20 13:56:04 I want to boot openmoko on my hx4700. Mar 20 13:56:04 The compiled image is 3 days old and uses the "2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700" Kernel. Mar 20 13:56:04 I booted with haret-0.5.1 and zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r14-hx4700.bin. Mar 20 13:56:04 With this zImage the "boot-process" stops very early with "Freeing init memory: 84K" even before booting the kernel. Mar 20 13:56:04 When i use an older zImage (zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin) i got a kernel-panic. But it boots the kernel and hangs later on. Mar 20 13:56:10 sry Mar 20 13:56:24 i cant handle this ficking irc-client Mar 20 13:59:22 is anyone here using the hx4700 with openmoko, who would be so kind to give me zImage and rootfs? Mar 20 13:59:36 mellhen, with which DISTRO = "?" in your conf/local.conf did you build the hh kernel? Mar 20 14:00:05 one moment Mar 20 14:01:05 MACHINE = "hx4700" Mar 20 14:01:05 DISTRO = "openmoko" Mar 20 14:01:05 BUILD_ARCH = "i686" Mar 20 14:01:05 INHERIT += "rm_work" Mar 20 14:02:40 id try to do it like here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012734.html and here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile discribed Mar 20 14:07:55 mellhen, are you sure hx47 works in r14? Mar 20 14:08:48 dcordes: i dont understand the whole question Mar 20 14:09:11 dcordes: do you mean in comparison to the r6 ? Mar 20 14:10:37 mellhen, yes Mar 20 14:11:24 you could also try building with hh19 or just compile hh kernel manually and install it into om rootfs Mar 20 14:11:44 dcordes, there was an error in the icon theme Mar 20 14:11:48 dcordes, i've fixed it now Mar 20 14:12:05 dcordes: i realy dont know how to. Mar 20 14:13:11 thos, are you referring to merge of 22x22 into normal icon package or to 1283 ? Mar 20 14:13:25 dcordes, the merge Mar 20 14:13:33 dcordes, I forgot to svn add the stock icons last night :-) Mar 20 14:13:53 mellhen, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel <- just replace htcuniversal with hx4700 Mar 20 14:14:20 dcordes: it was the first time ever i compiled an image. But copy and paste some lines isnt realy difficult. Mar 20 14:14:28 ok thx Mar 20 14:14:31 thos, ok. I still wonder how ui will decide to select 22x22 instead of the bigger ones. Mar 20 14:14:40 dcordes, the theme chooses Mar 20 14:14:51 mellhen, for manual hh.org kernel building it's the same ;) Mar 20 14:15:12 thos, ok somebody seriously has to cope with openmoko-standard-theme2-qvga then Mar 20 14:15:34 unfortunately I hear om inc has no bandwith for this :( Mar 20 14:17:52 so if somebody has a heart for qvga ppl check 1283 :) Mar 20 14:18:16 pfft Mar 20 14:18:41 where's that icon guy gone Mar 20 14:18:48 dcordes: i am familiar with linux only for a short time. ill try it. but i think ill fail to do the compiling ... Mar 20 14:20:30 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork Mar 20 14:22:00 mellhen, what's that :) ? Mar 20 14:22:48 ScaredyCat, those icons look very nice Mar 20 14:23:03 indeed ... Mar 20 14:23:21 if he would do a whole them... mmmmm Mar 20 14:23:26 theme Mar 20 14:23:55 dcordes: what do you mean? Mar 20 14:24:10 dcordes: maybe a smily? Mar 20 14:50:04 anyone know of a spot I can get more upto date information? Mar 20 14:50:13 on? Mar 20 14:50:24 I'm specifically looking for timetables. Mar 20 14:50:31 haha Mar 20 14:50:35 I know I know Mar 20 14:50:45 maybe a month or two Mar 20 14:50:53 maybe three Mar 20 14:50:55 who knows :-) Mar 20 14:50:59 I have been hearing that since last summer Mar 20 14:51:07 the wait is killing me Mar 20 14:51:09 but the v5 prototype is nice Mar 20 14:51:15 The 'final' version of freerunner is supposed to be coming Mar 20 14:51:20 real soon now. Mar 20 14:51:22 it actually works Mar 20 14:51:27 that is what I am waiting for Mar 20 14:51:35 SpeedEvil good Mar 20 14:51:36 when? Mar 20 14:51:41 plus doesn't have the battery dead problem the gta01 has Mar 20 14:51:51 the information updates are pretty sparse Mar 20 14:52:00 thos: the gta01 doesn't really have that problem - it's a software thing. Mar 20 14:52:19 SpeedEvil: dont think so. as i know its a hardware problem Mar 20 14:52:21 lu_zero: a week or two - for the preproduction test items as I understand it Mar 20 14:52:34 how to apply to get one? Mar 20 14:52:36 nezza-_-: it's not - it can be worked round ust fine in software Mar 20 14:52:46 lu_zero: site isn't open for purchase yet Mar 20 14:52:50 right but the there is the production... shipping... maybe 09? Mar 20 14:52:54 I have some people that want it for a project asap Mar 20 14:53:03 don: shouldn't be 09 Mar 20 14:53:14 SpeedEvil: can you give me more infos? Mar 20 14:53:30 nezza-_-: no - there have been no timetables published. Mar 20 14:53:38 nezza-_-: just a drip of leaked info. Mar 20 14:53:38 I know but the drop dead date was November 07 Mar 20 14:53:41 then December Mar 20 14:53:45 then Jan Mar 20 14:53:50 then spring 08 Mar 20 14:53:52 Hardware problems. Mar 20 14:53:53 Yep, but they didn't drop dead. Mar 20 14:53:57 don: it seems like it will be released at the end of april Mar 20 14:53:58 I know Mar 20 14:54:16 heard it before Mar 20 14:54:17 not in consumer ready form - but probably Mar 20 14:54:23 So it seems there's more flex in the schedule than thought. The answer seems to be "it will ship when it is ready" Mar 20 14:54:27 http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html (sorry its in german) Mar 20 14:54:33 and a good policy Mar 20 14:54:40 but I want it!!!! Mar 20 14:58:25 SO the free runner will be released at the end of April but openmoko won't be consumer ready? Mar 20 14:58:47 yes - probably Mar 20 14:58:53 certainly to the second Mar 20 14:59:14 Expect a working phone/SMS tool, most of the time with most images IMO. Mar 20 15:00:20 My verizon contract expired in December so I'm sitting here waiting for this thing... Mar 20 15:01:10 get a gsm contract and a cheapass phone Mar 20 15:01:35 whats he need a new phone for? Mar 20 15:01:40 contract expired, not the service Mar 20 15:01:41 heh Mar 20 15:07:45 openmoko: 03thomas * r4236 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): Mar 20 15:07:45 openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood Mar 20 15:07:45 openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Set a widget name on the dial pad Mar 20 15:07:45 openmoko: for theming Mar 20 15:13:32 openmoko: 03thomas * r4237 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: openmoko-dialer: bring in libhito Mar 20 15:15:12 My phone is half working. Mar 20 15:15:43 Verizon forced an update to my phone that corrupted some hacks I had in place. I haven't been able to fix. Mar 20 15:17:33 What is the feeling regarding the discussions about the GSM connections bouncing/SIM compatibility? Might it require new GSM firmware? Mar 20 15:18:37 Works for me. Mar 20 15:18:41 Moko1 Mar 20 15:19:11 I wonder how many people it affects. Mar 20 15:21:08 openmoko: 03thomas * r4238 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.h opkg_download.c): opkg: remove some "#if 0" code Mar 20 15:21:14 yeah, had no problem with moko1 at all Mar 20 15:32:30 hey! can anyone help me? no matter which DISTRO I set in my local.conf bitbake always bakes for angstrom.. and of course I want openmoko.. any tips? Mar 20 15:34:43 isn't openmoko just a set of overrides for the standard angstrom distro Mar 20 15:35:22 require conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc Mar 20 15:35:22 require conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc Mar 20 15:36:55 ScaredyCat: I have both those files Mar 20 15:37:06 yes, you should... Mar 20 15:37:35 ScaredyCat: where do I set the requires? Mar 20 15:37:37 what I'm saying is that 'openmoko' is just angstrom with some variations Mar 20 15:37:51 mainly source paths etc Mar 20 15:38:20 look at ${OMDIR}/openembedded/conf/distro/openmoko.conf Mar 20 15:39:26 ScaredyCat: would 'ls build/tmp' give my anstrom as result if I was successfully building with DISTRO=openmoko? Mar 20 15:40:16 ScaredyCat: openmoko.conf has the two lines in it Mar 20 15:40:17 doesn it? Mar 20 15:40:41 ls build/tmp outputs 'angstrom' Mar 20 15:40:56 ScaredyCat: I thought it had to output 'openmoko' Mar 20 15:41:24 I don;t have angstom in my build/tmp and I build 'openmoko; Mar 20 15:41:58 ScaredyCat: also if I set DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1 Mar 20 15:42:15 then it also says DISTRO=angstrom Mar 20 15:42:23 MACHINE = "fic-gta01" Mar 20 15:42:23 DISTRO = "openmoko Mar 20 15:42:29 is in my config Mar 20 15:42:52 do you mean in the image filenames> Mar 20 15:42:53 ? Mar 20 15:43:18 ScaredyCat: http://nopaste.org/p/aj8CwZM3v this is my local.conf Mar 20 15:44:07 Hi, I've got a neo1973 here that i can't switch on, or is detected when i plug it in via usb.. am i being daft? Mar 20 15:44:42 mickeyl: Ping? Mar 20 15:44:46 <`pwgen`> Daviey: empty battery ? Mar 20 15:44:51 unplug, remove the battery for half a minute or so, plug in, _wait_ several hours to be sure, try to turn on Mar 20 15:45:06 `pwgen`: Isn't the usb cable there to charge it? Mar 20 15:45:19 mjr: oh ok Mar 20 15:45:45 the battery removal ensures that there's no component on there to eat up all the juice from the trickle charge before it reaches the battery Mar 20 15:45:48 <`pwgen`> Daviey: if the battery is too empty it can not drive the usb to be detected and do fast charge Mar 20 15:46:03 ahh Mar 20 15:46:10 ScaredyCat: when I start baking anything(e.g. openmoko-image) it says at the beginning: http://nopaste.org/p/aSV1VTYp3 Mar 20 15:46:25 so if i just leave it plugged in, it will still charge? Mar 20 15:46:28 gotcha! thanks Mar 20 15:46:42 <`pwgen`> Daviey: so it had to charge with the 20 mA until i can power the usb .. and this takes time Mar 20 15:46:44 fredthecat, I am actively using perl :-) Mar 20 15:47:02 okay, i'll pop back in a few hours.. thanks chaps Mar 20 15:47:55 <`pwgen`> Daviey: if you own a second battery: power it up with the second one,, and change the battery while its booting ( bas solution but it works ) Mar 20 15:48:33 `pwgen`: isnt that evil considering the smoke when no battery inserted but usb plugged in problem? Mar 20 15:49:04 `pwgen`: nope just one :( Mar 20 15:50:06 <`pwgen`> cb22: i have done this 5 min ago , it never smokes , but be sure your usb does not give more than 5 volts ( there are some usb hubs out with 5.6 up to 6.5 Volts ) Mar 20 15:51:15 edistar: You're building something that's unlike anything anyone else has ever built before; it's very probable that there are mysteries aplenty in the various components you have instructed bitbake to assemble. Mar 20 15:51:58 mwester: what's so special? machine=nokia770 only, or is there anything else too? Mar 20 15:52:02 edistar: But start by at least removing the "~/" stuff from your local.conf; replace that with fully-qualified pathnames (IIRC there is a probability that certain recipes or even bitbake may puke over that syntax) Mar 20 15:52:04 edistar, don't you want to be building openmoko-devel-image anyway? Mar 20 15:52:23 edistar: "openmoko" and "nokia770" are not a pair that have ever been done before, AFAIK Mar 20 15:52:27 mwester: oO, I gave you the wrong link.. I have replaced all of them already Mar 20 15:53:01 thos: yeah, eventually.. but no matter what I build, it seems to stick to DISTRO=angstrom Mar 20 15:53:20 mwester: yeah, I just thought I'd try it :) Mar 20 15:53:27 edistar: Start by getting angstrom working on the nokia770, and then once that's all building ok, you can try to change it to "openmoko", and see if you can track down where things are being reset inappropriately. Mar 20 15:53:33 edistar, did you set your environment up correctly? Mar 20 15:53:46 so it's not overriding it Mar 20 15:53:59 edistar: Yes, angstrom overrides the DISTRO in certain spots. It may be that there's something about nokia770 that makes that permanent, or otherwise affects it. Mar 20 15:54:05 thos: how do I check that? Mar 20 15:54:09 mwester: thx for the info Mar 20 15:56:32 edistar: you could start off with a simple conf Mar 20 15:56:44 just the target, distro and build host Mar 20 15:56:45 ScaredyCat: I thought mine was simple :) Mar 20 15:56:59 I need the PREFFERED_VERSION because otherwise xomap doesn't bake Mar 20 15:57:20 ok, well keep it in then - get rid of the other guff Mar 20 15:57:41 ok Mar 20 16:03:52 thos: were you playing with opkg? Mar 20 16:04:08 yes Mar 20 16:04:29 did you just break it? Mar 20 16:04:32 bo Mar 20 16:04:35 no* Mar 20 16:04:42 hrmm Mar 20 16:15:23 it's definately broken thos Mar 20 16:16:09 ERROR: Exception: Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/builder/newBuild/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/opkg-native-0.0+svnr4238-r1/temp/log.qa_package' Mar 20 16:21:39 ScaredyCat, doesn't look like an opkg code issue to me Mar 20 16:21:58 ScaredyCat, looks like a bitbake issu Mar 20 16:42:09 http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&kc=305&l=en&oc=SV1T1051&s=bsd&sbc=pedge_t105 Mar 20 16:42:13 £99 server Mar 20 16:46:25 I can't believe they actually ask for £300 for that heap in the first place Mar 20 16:47:08 :) Mar 20 16:51:52 still 99 isn't bad for a processor and a hdd Mar 20 17:06:25 openmoko: 03thomas * r4239 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Mar 20 17:06:25 openmoko: 2008-03-20 Thomas Wood Mar 20 17:06:25 openmoko: * Makefile.am: Mar 20 17:06:25 openmoko: * configure.ac: Mar 20 17:06:25 openmoko: * src/dialer/Makefile.am: Mar 20 17:06:27 openmoko: * src/dialer/moko-history.c: (on_btn_save_clicked): Mar 20 17:06:31 openmoko: Display a list of contacts when "Add to contact" is clicked Mar 20 17:11:10 openmoko: 03thomas * r4240 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/: dialer: fix svn:externals Mar 20 17:24:21 ahem Mar 20 17:24:26 ScaredyCat: you there? Mar 20 17:29:38 openmoko: 03thomas * r4241 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/dialer/moko-history.c: dialer: fix typo Mar 20 17:31:59 teach me to compile, edit, commit :-) Mar 20 17:48:17 ermm .. Mar 20 17:48:27 is there anything special to worry about, NAND-partition setup-wise? Mar 20 18:15:24 hello :> Mar 20 18:27:13 SpeedEvil, are you around? Mar 20 18:33:37 anyone from the UK here? Mar 20 18:33:58 webjames: yo Mar 20 18:34:27 Hello, StealthCP do you know who our supplier for the Freerunner will be? Mar 20 18:34:42 Stephmw, sorry Mar 20 18:34:51 webjames: no, no idea for now Mar 20 18:36:30 in germany it seems to be priced at 299 euros, dist by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm and http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm Mar 20 18:38:21 oh well i'm sure all will be revealed soon thanks Stephmw Mar 20 18:52:08 re Mar 20 19:01:40 <`pwgen`> emdete: online and ready for questions ? Mar 20 19:02:56 torpor: briefly Mar 20 19:30:02 Sweet its in pvt Mar 20 20:05:36 <`pwgen`> knows someone a small cmdline audioplayer for openmoko ? Mar 20 20:22:49 `pwgen`: ogg123? Mar 20 20:23:08 mplayer Mar 20 20:26:59 cat? Mar 20 20:27:32 hmm, music compressed with bzip2... Mar 20 20:27:48 zcat *.raw.bz2 > /dev/dsp :D Mar 20 20:28:43 aplay not work? Mar 20 20:30:01 white noise generator: cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp Mar 20 20:30:12 cat /dev/mouse > /dev/dsp Mar 20 20:30:24 cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp Mar 20 20:30:43 Oh, ogg123 would require you to turn off pulseaudio :-( Mar 20 20:30:48 mwester, I did that once. God spoke to me, but I didn't understand. ::( Mar 20 20:30:59 on the other hand, it plays better w/o pulseaudio :-) Mar 20 20:31:12 kdean06: Your unhappy face has four eyes. Mar 20 20:31:37 Indeed. Mar 20 20:31:38 punishment for not understanding, I bet. ;) Mar 20 20:31:51 I sometimes make them with no eyes to generate cosmic balance. Mar 20 20:32:41 In the two-eyed smiley face land, the smiley with four eyes is king Mar 20 20:34:22 hi @ll Mar 20 20:36:19 <`pwgen`> wurp2: something that runs with pulseaudio ... wt* is pulseaudio ? Mar 20 20:36:44 `pwgen` mjr: thanks for earlier, it's working now Mar 20 20:37:13 i want to buy me an Neo 1973 (GTA01) how stable is it for the normal phone calls and how long does the battery alive? Mar 20 20:38:05 <`pwgen`> Daviey: nice Mar 20 20:38:28 `pwgen`: pulseaudio is the daemon responsible for mixing the sounds from various sources Mar 20 20:38:57 devcow: #neo1973-germany is your friend Mar 20 20:39:07 devcow: 1) yes 2) you can rely on 4 hours w/ no rechage, and might get as much as 7 Mar 20 20:39:11 for now Mar 20 20:39:20 abraxa__: People selling neos there? Mar 20 20:39:33 yes in german you can buy it Mar 20 20:39:35 wurp2: He's German, hence... Mar 20 20:39:38 devcow: But you can't buy a new neo right now; FIC is retooling the production line for FreeRunner Mar 20 20:39:55 abraxa__: ic Mar 20 20:40:36 pulseaudio is the daemon responsible for a PITA on ubuntu hardy recently :) Mar 20 20:40:37 enable suspend is this now working? i red that it is buggy Mar 20 20:41:02 it is buggy, in that wake on ring doesn't work at all consistently Mar 20 20:41:07 and wake from power is currently fubar Mar 20 20:41:14 wake from aux seems fine right now Mar 20 20:41:29 <`pwgen`> wurp2: i have done a little telephone application with gtk an pyneod but now i have the question " how to i let the phone ring ? " Mar 20 20:41:40 w/ suspend you get 20 hours or more, but who really cares if you don't get calls :-( Mar 20 20:42:23 okay so i have to wait till i can this basic functions. but then i will try it out Mar 20 20:42:25 `pwgen`: I think aplay is probably the best option, as mentioned earlier. Others may know a better way... Mar 20 20:42:38 <`pwgen`> wurp2: vibrate ist working well Mar 20 20:42:46 <`pwgen`> ha i found it paplay Mar 20 20:44:04 cool! Mar 20 20:44:37 devcow: If you're waiting for that, you may wanna play the waiting game for FreeRunner Mar 20 20:45:17 <`pwgen`> is there a plan useing dbus for ringtone activation and configuration ? Mar 20 20:46:10 yep i want an open source smartphone it has so nice features when the software is stable with all its features iphone will be soon crap ;-) Mar 20 20:47:04 `pwgen`: I think there is a general commitment to dbus, but no commitment whatsoever to a time frame for it Mar 20 20:47:32 I was actually reading http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Aussie-Linux-head-Microsoft-more-open-than-iPhone/0,130061733,339287392,00.htm which was saying that Microsoft's offerings are (ATM - Openmoko and Andriod are both mentioned passingly) signifigantly more "open" than the iPhone. Mar 20 20:49:27 iphone is almost as closed as you can get Mar 20 20:49:45 Well - iphone with working security Mar 20 20:49:45 until you jailbreak it.. Mar 20 20:49:49 it's a great piece of hardware, with really super nice software on it, but it is very closed Mar 20 20:49:57 Qwell: exactly Mar 20 20:52:23 iphone is definately too high priced it is crap in comparing it with other phones Mar 20 20:52:46 but it's nice looking crap :) Mar 20 20:52:57 it is ;-) Mar 20 20:53:26 <`pwgen`> .. but its working ... (:-(( Mar 20 20:53:33 sim card failure, "Network Registration Denied" :( Mar 20 21:07:48 * pjz is looking forward to buying older iphones on the used market in a couple years - they'll make great in-house wifi tablets Mar 20 21:09:29 sorry, iphone is nice hw *for the US* Mar 20 21:10:05 I want cheap e-ink stuff. Mar 20 21:10:32 SpeedEvil: hell, even _affordable_ e-ink stuff would be nice Mar 20 21:10:50 yeah Mar 20 21:11:03 I really want bare imaging film Mar 20 21:11:31 Cover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented imager. Mar 20 21:11:39 Cover it with ITO coated film, and all you need is a PCB to get a segmented display. Mar 20 21:12:02 You need some high expansion piezo pixels too Mar 20 21:12:31 No - I mean stuff like large 7 segment displays, or custom stuff Mar 20 21:12:43 with maybe 30 or so shapes. Mar 20 21:12:49 Oh, I just want a brick covered in piezo & e-ink Mar 20 21:13:33 I also want to make a simple viewer. Mar 20 21:14:06 Say 12cm long, 3cm dia, with a 20cm film wrapped round it. Mar 20 21:14:58 you unwrap the film, and simply slide the wand back and forward over it to print Mar 20 21:25:27 bye Mar 20 21:51:17 wurp2: for the us? Mar 20 21:51:19 how so. Mar 20 22:06:25 Well, I don't really track the cell phone market, but integrated google maps, media player, pic viewer, EDGE, etc. certainly looks like a nice package compared to what I've seen on other phones... Mar 20 22:07:18 I never wanted a nice cell phone before because I hate the carriers, and everything was closed & locked down. Now I love my neo, but still don't look too much at the market other than the big buzz items like iphone Mar 20 23:07:59 Morning all Mar 20 23:08:41 Trying to import math into python on a neo. Have achieved this before, but is elluding me now. Mar 20 23:11:53 I have installed python-math which put math.so into python2.5/lib-dynaload Mar 20 23:12:12 but the import on the python command line doesn't work. Mar 20 23:15:30 Hmm - seem to have 'fixed' it by copying the math.so and cmath.co up a dir. Mar 20 23:15:53 Still; that doesn't seem right - it should look in this dir? Mar 20 23:31:50 <`pwgen`> wurp2: *G* now i have dbus ringer serivce ... Mar 21 00:08:05 `pwgen`: Congratulations! Mar 21 00:08:17 Is the interface for the ringer on the dbus api doc on the wiki? Mar 21 00:08:59 peter_harrison: I had problems like that too. I had to chown my python site dir to my user :-( Mar 21 00:09:23 It was trying to copy files in, first, I think, then it was failing because it couldn't find them Mar 21 00:09:46 but it was really weird - why the heck is OM build copying files to python site-lib directly? Mar 21 00:19:45 <`pwgen`> homebrew dbus daemon Mar 21 00:25:35 `pwgen`: Hmm, I'm not sure I see the benefit of building a dbus interface if you're the only one who uses it... Mar 21 00:26:21 <`pwgen`> http://eric-weiss.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/openmoko Mar 21 00:26:30 Unless it's for the experience Mar 21 00:26:32 <`pwgen`> ist my first dbus-interface ... Mar 21 00:26:42 Ah, that would be a good reason :-) Mar 21 00:26:51 I haven't built a dbus server, just clients Mar 21 00:27:04 <`pwgen`> and my first gtk-gui Mar 21 00:27:50 <`pwgen`> i can make calls, rceive calls ( with ring ) and that more than 1 time ... Mar 21 00:28:08 excellent! Mar 21 00:28:25 <`pwgen`> lets wait how long it runs *G* Mar 21 00:28:29 I built both my first gtk gui and my first dbus client for some OM work as well Mar 21 00:28:46 Are you basing it on underground, or does it run on OM? Mar 21 00:29:19 I guess if you did gtk it must be OM Mar 21 00:29:52 <`pwgen`> it runs from sd , a mixture from all . with 2.6.22.5-moko11 Mar 21 00:30:29 <`pwgen`> with a lot of manual bitbake ( icewm xkbd stuff ) Mar 21 00:30:44 I haven't done any bitbake... Mar 21 00:31:14 gotta go get a library book to brush on on algorithms Mar 21 00:31:22 second interview with Google next Tuesday :-) Mar 21 00:31:36 happy hacking! Mar 21 00:42:13 Hiya all - I'm trying to get GPS working, and having a issue. Mar 21 00:42:55 Because I'm running a later kernel the wiki suggests: Mar 21 00:42:57 n -s neo1973-pm-gps.0 gta01-pm-gps.0 Mar 21 00:43:08 ln -s neo1973-pm-gps.0 gta01-pm-gps.0 Mar 21 00:43:38 That is creating a symlink between the expected and actual 'directory' Mar 21 00:44:14 problem is I get "ln: gta01-pm-gps.0: No such file or directory" Mar 21 00:44:45 Anyone here have experience with GPS that have got this working? Mar 21 01:19:46 * Fradeve è a spasso: Pero ora assente. Mar 21 01:33:54 Hi, I was wondering if there was anyone knowledgeable about google's SoC that I could talk to? Mar 21 01:36:27 TimMEt_: I was just wondering at what University are you :-) ? Mar 21 01:36:49 I'm at UC San Diego Mar 21 01:37:05 which semester ? Mar 21 01:37:12 Sophomore Mar 21 01:37:20 Computer Engineering major Mar 21 01:37:20 huh ? Mar 21 01:38:04 Sophomore == second semseter ? Mar 21 01:38:07 semester* Mar 21 01:38:14 er... it's about to be spring quater Mar 21 01:38:29 I was thinking year Mar 21 01:38:37 ah second year Mar 21 01:38:50 TimMEt_: and what are your plans for SoC ? Mar 21 01:39:13 I was interested in a project to get streaming music on a mobile platform Mar 21 01:39:41 So OpenMoko seemed like the closest match for that kind of project, if that was something they're interested in Mar 21 01:40:11 TimMEt_: my finals start in the middle of June and end by the end of the month so there's no way that I'd join SoC this year .. what about you ? Mar 21 01:40:55 I'm off in the middle of june, I haven't actually checked when the SoC thing is supposed to start. Mar 21 01:42:08 TimMEt_: I'm not sure who all is gonna be mentors yet, mickeyl and someone else submitted the application Mar 21 01:45:25 Is there a way I could get in contact with them? I'm really interested in this project idea, and it'd be great if I could work on it this summer. Mar 21 01:45:35 TimMEt_: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html ... check the timeline at the end of the page Mar 21 01:46:06 TimMEt_: mickeyl is mickeyl :-) Mar 21 01:46:10 TimMEt_: they're open to any other ideas, if you check the wiki thinger Mar 21 01:46:38 so, I mean, feel free to talk to them, but I think ultimately you just need to submit the app, and then go from there Mar 21 01:47:02 * summatusmentis will be submitting an application for a HAL/DBus daemon that handles all sorts of events Mar 21 01:48:44 wow, it starts in may, that was earlier than I thought it would be Mar 21 01:49:09 TimMEt_: I also think XorA will be mentoring a project? I don't know that for sure... ask him :-) Mar 21 01:50:11 summatusmentis: I should probably mentor if needed to try and take loads of mickeyl Mar 21 01:50:30 TimMEt_: go for it if you're not as overloaded with 10 courses as me Mar 21 01:50:53 XorA: sorry, didn't mean to volunteer you :-) Mar 21 01:51:11 10 courses? Wow, I'm glad my school works on the quarter system. Mar 21 01:51:25 10 courses? I'm on a semester system and have 4 Mar 21 01:51:27 summatusmentis: it depends on the project, a lot of the middleware ones Im not really competent for Mar 21 01:51:43 XorA: oh, ok Mar 21 01:52:28 middleware != kernel stuff && middleware != UI stuff Mar 21 01:52:29 summatusmentis: I'm on a semester system and I have 10 :-) Mar 21 01:52:32 correct? Mar 21 01:52:43 CVirus: that's insane! How many credits? Mar 21 01:52:49 34 Mar 21 01:52:57 I'm taking an overload to free my self for the next year Mar 21 01:53:01 so that I'd be able to join SoC Mar 21 01:53:03 why? what for? that's crazy Mar 21 01:53:08 I know Mar 21 01:53:24 What is the average course load for your school? Mar 21 01:53:26 summatusmentis: what university are oyu ? Mar 21 01:53:40 University of Minnesota - Morris Mar 21 01:53:40 TimMEt_: 6 or 7 courses per semester Mar 21 01:54:01 CVirus: so how many credits per semester? Mar 21 01:54:04 The average here is 4 Mar 21 01:54:13 same here, per semester Mar 21 01:54:23 the average here is 25-30 per semester Mar 21 01:54:29 http://www.morris.umn.edu if you care Mar 21 01:54:34 CVirus: what school? Mar 21 01:54:41 German University in Cairo Mar 21 01:55:00 hmm Mar 21 01:55:08 Egypt that is Mar 21 01:56:10 happy easter everyone, or dead guy on a stick day if you have humour Mar 21 01:56:13 right, I assumed as much Mar 21 01:56:24 easter? isn't easter on sunday? Mar 21 01:56:42 unless I'm way confused Mar 21 01:57:21 Ahh, flying bell day. Mar 21 01:57:39 well technically the date is totally wrong its actually a solstice celebration Mar 21 01:58:00 lol, ok, then don't go around claiming it's dead guy on a stick day :-P Mar 21 01:58:41 I got my dead guy on a stick choclate treat, even comes with candy nails Mar 21 01:59:04 that's disturbing Mar 21 01:59:11 LOL Mar 21 01:59:49 for an extra $9.95 you can get one that goes "oooh crap that hurts" when you insert the nails Mar 21 02:00:05 ROFL Mar 21 02:00:31 According to wiki, easter is on monday, and apparently there's a different date for "eastern" Mar 21 02:00:45 er sunday Mar 21 02:00:49 not monday Mar 21 02:03:14 wonder if we will get a Christian Edition of the OM firmware, every time you turn is on it quotes a new bible verse then whips you for sining Mar 21 02:03:58 I havent been in here for a while how is the OM project going anyway Mar 21 02:04:27 it wouldn't surprise me Mar 21 02:04:49 OM the Satanic edition, comes in red with a built in flame thrower, the kids love it Mar 21 02:04:53 is it sining? or sinning? Mar 21 02:05:03 Hmm, does open moko even have wifi? Mar 21 02:05:21 TimMEt_: the Freerunner has Mar 21 02:05:28 TimMEt_: /topic Mar 21 02:06:07 hmm april, sigh Mar 21 02:07:19 wonder if there are any videos on youboob regarding the freerunner Mar 21 02:09:05 free running boobs, awesome Mar 21 02:10:47 the name free runner when I first heard it made me wonder if the OM people understood that term means a type of running sport, bit like calling a Phone "the soccor" Mar 21 02:13:05 although if you think about it Freerunner" matches the project as the sport of free running is totally free and one needs to be slightly suicidal Mar 21 02:13:16 :-P Mar 21 02:15:59 Linux_Galore: I think the guy who chose the name knew, I am explaining to the rest Mar 21 02:18:55 hmm the gossy black freerunner demo at CES looks nice Mar 21 02:19:24 the colour (gloss) matches the curved shape better Mar 21 02:19:38 yeah I like the black on black Mar 21 02:20:07 i think glossy red would look cool to as red gloss has a natural mental conatation to round things Mar 21 02:20:35 there is some orange/black free runners about Mar 21 02:21:19 Silver is starting to become old now Mar 21 02:22:58 I have a sample phone from our factory and they have a transclucent pearl white finnish, its white with the enamel layer having a while cloudy finnish Mar 21 02:23:11 looks interesting Mar 21 02:23:36 desk phone that is not mobile Mar 21 02:27:29 peter_harrison: I have gps going - I'm the guy who put the ln -s comment in the wiki for it Mar 21 02:30:03 peter_harrison: If you're Cheetah100, that ln -s only applies to kernel 2.6.24+, not 2.6.22 Mar 21 02:37:58 * XorA almost accidently sent the monotone.openmoko.org to monotone.openembedded.org, and that would have been bad (tm) Mar 21 02:38:43 Would have been messy, to say the least. Mar 21 02:42:40 yeah :-( Mar 21 02:43:08 * XorA hopes to switch to an openmoko branch off OE over weekend, Im scared that one day I shall actually dump all the crap in the wrong repo Mar 21 02:44:48 I did some major "temorary stuff" some time ago, and added a dummy "monotone.openembedded.org" entry in my hosts file, just in case I forgot and tried to push something. Mar 21 02:49:11 peter_harrison: Never mind, I see now that the 2-20 image IS on the 2.6.24 kernel :-( I will double check my directory against the 3-19 image and update the wiki if necessary (this is regarding your comments about GPS) Mar 21 02:52:15 mwester: would work if I didnt do both Angstrom and OM stuff :-) Mar 21 02:58:41 XorA: can you fix the preferred version for the openmoko kernel in the sane srcrevs on OE -- it doesn't seem to like that syntax. Mar 21 02:59:11 mwester: its a bug/not implemented feature in OE yet Mar 21 02:59:19 Ah, ok. Mar 21 02:59:19 mwester: Im working on it now Mar 21 02:59:38 I just put something in my local.conf, so no hurry. Mar 21 02:59:44 mwester: it works one way if you use AUTOREV, but not the other way if you use a fixed revision **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 21 02:59:56 2008