**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 01 02:59:56 2008
Apr 01 02:59:59 <duffyd> Marcel_M: isn't that for the nand?
Apr 01 03:00:15 <Marcel_M> the kernel yes
Apr 01 03:01:03 <duffyd> Marcel_M: and I'm not using that boot option :P
Apr 01 03:02:10 <Marcel_M> duffyd: i dont understand what you mean
Apr 01 03:03:23 <duffyd> Marcel_M: when I boot I hold the aux key (or whatever that other key is called) and select 'boot from sd' so my nand doesn't get touched in the boot process
Apr 01 03:03:47 <Marcel_M> duffyd: sorry i forgot (i boot from sdhc so i use always the kernel from nend)
Apr 01 03:03:56 <duffyd> Marcel_M: yup ;)
Apr 01 03:04:04 <Marcel_M> :)
Apr 01 03:04:05 <duffyd> Marcel_M: so don't think the kernel you refer to will help me
Apr 01 03:04:09 <duffyd> thanks anyway
Apr 01 03:04:31 <Marcel_M> the kernel should be in the monster-image sas well
Apr 01 03:04:44 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ok, great
Apr 01 03:04:47 <duffyd> I'll give that a go
Apr 01 03:06:55 <duffyd> Marcel_M: you currently using the monster stuff?
Apr 01 03:07:12 <Marcel_M> yes /me build it
Apr 01 03:07:44 <duffyd> Marcel_M: great
Apr 01 03:08:17 <duffyd> Marcel_M: I really wanna run something like a TurboGears app on my OM
Apr 01 03:08:21 <Marcel_M> duffyd: but i didnt test this one (20080331)
Apr 01 03:08:58 <duffyd> ok, what you currently using?
Apr 01 03:09:45 * SpeedEvil tries kicking off a new build.
Apr 01 03:09:55 * SpeedEvil has broken images.
Apr 01 03:10:28 <Marcel_M> duffyd: hmm good question the 20080327 should be good
Apr 01 03:10:34 <duffyd> ok
Apr 01 03:10:45 * duffyd just wants to be able to use good ol' OM again from the sdcard
Apr 01 03:10:49 <duffyd> dunno what's going wrong
Apr 01 03:10:59 <duffyd> just got a segfault from the latest one on buildhost.om
Apr 01 03:11:12 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03werner * r4283 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
Apr 01 03:11:12 <CIA-17> openmoko: Introduce GTA02v6, for now as equivalent of GTA02v5.
Apr 01 03:11:12 <CIA-17> openmoko: gta02-core.patch:
Apr 01 03:11:12 <CIA-17> openmoko: - include/asm-arm/arch-s3c2410/gta02.h (GTA02v6_SYSTEM_REV): added revision
Apr 01 03:11:12 <CIA-17> openmoko:  0x360
Apr 01 03:11:14 <CIA-17> openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (mangle_pmu_pdata_by_system_rev,
Apr 01 03:11:18 <CIA-17> openmoko:  gta02_glamo_mmc_set_power): added GTA02v6_SYSTEM_REV (equivalent to
Apr 01 03:11:54 <Marcel_M> yeah the quality of the images differs from day to day 
Apr 01 03:12:22 <SpeedEvil> I was getting broken windows - dialer not fullscreen forex
Apr 01 03:13:05 <Marcel_M> SpeedEvil: from today (yesterday ;) )
Apr 01 03:14:12 <duffyd> another segfault - arggghhh
Apr 01 03:14:25 <Marcel_M> if so the duffyd should try another one
Apr 01 03:14:29 <duffyd> after starting the portmap daemon
Apr 01 03:14:31 <duffyd> yeah I will
Apr 01 03:14:32 <Marcel_M> duffyd: :(
Apr 01 03:14:41 * duffyd goes to get it and ease *my* pain
Apr 01 03:14:56 <duffyd> Marcel_M: shall I dare grab the 31st one?
Apr 01 03:15:01 <duffyd> or just opt for the 27ty?
Apr 01 03:15:06 <duffyd> s/y/h
Apr 01 03:15:53 <Marcel_M> dunno if SpeedEvils is from 31 i think mine got the same errors try an older one
Apr 01 03:17:17 <SpeedEvil> you mean dialer not fullscreen, no toolbar up at the top other than the phone/battery/... status icons?
Apr 01 03:18:27 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: sounds bad ;)
Apr 01 03:18:39 <Marcel_M> SpeedEvil: dunno my 31 build is not tested 
Apr 01 03:18:52 <SpeedEvil> this was 30 too
Apr 01 03:20:05 <sandman__> summatusmentis: did you send out a draft of your GSoC proposal to the listerv?
Apr 01 03:20:14 <duffyd> Marcel_M: wow 82mb - it's a monster ;)
Apr 01 03:20:36 <Marcel_M> duffyd: yes :)
Apr 01 03:21:07 <Marcel_M> have you seen the included packages?
Apr 01 03:23:14 <duffyd> Marcel_M: yes
Apr 01 03:23:18 <duffyd> impressive
Apr 01 03:23:47 * Marcel_M hopes duffyd sd card will not explode
Apr 01 03:23:57 <duffyd> Marcel_M: how are you making use of usb_host?
Apr 01 03:23:58 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ;)
Apr 01 03:24:30 <Marcel_M> duffyd: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/1-NEWS-WARNING-INFO section usb-host
Apr 01 03:26:37 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4284 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-dbus.c): openmoko-messages2: fix the unitialised variable error
Apr 01 03:32:47 <duffyd> Marcel_M: yeah I read that but it didn't state what you're usecases are
Apr 01 03:32:55 <duffyd> e.g. wifi usb dongle, etc
Apr 01 03:32:58 <duffyd> that would be mine ;)
Apr 01 03:33:42 <Marcel_M> duffyd: ahh sorry 
Apr 01 03:34:58 <Marcel_M> i tested it with sd-plus card (sd-usb combicard, sd cardreaders, xpad, and an usb atapi bridge
Apr 01 03:36:01 <Marcel_M> but the usb atapi bridge  wont run ( but i didnt tested it really ;) )
Apr 01 03:36:35 <Marcel_M> just pluged it in it wont run  
Apr 01 03:36:49 <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by won't run?
Apr 01 03:37:33 <Marcel_M> i could not see the atached  device (ide-hdd)
Apr 01 03:38:56 <summatusmentis> where'd sandman__ go?
Apr 01 03:39:14 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ahhh so that device plugs in via the sdcard slot?
Apr 01 03:39:16 <duffyd> sounds cool :)
Apr 01 03:40:38 <SpeedEvil> I doubt it.
Apr 01 03:40:52 <Marcel_M> duffyd: http://de.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1853)-SDSDPH-2048-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_2GB.aspx works great also the (old)xpad joystick and sd cards in an usb-cardreader
Apr 01 03:41:41 <duffyd> what a horrible url :P
Apr 01 03:42:10 <Marcel_M> just this one wont run out of the box http://www.digitus.de/scripts/digdetail.asp?artnr=DA%2D70148
Apr 01 03:43:22 <Marcel_M> duffyd: the combi sd card is really nice 
Apr 01 03:43:27 <duffyd> yeah
Apr 01 03:43:43 <Marcel_M> and its cheap
Apr 01 03:47:11 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03werner * r4285 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-acc.patch introduce-fiq-basis.patch): (log message trimmed)
Apr 01 03:47:11 <CIA-17> openmoko: fix-lis302dl-isr-lock.patch
Apr 01 03:47:11 <CIA-17> openmoko: It seems that the two accelermoter interrupts can interrupt each other after some
Apr 01 03:47:11 <CIA-17> openmoko: time and destroy one interrupt acknowledge action by starting an acknowledge for
Apr 01 03:47:12 <CIA-17> openmoko: the second accelermoter partway through. Since the two are edge-triggered interrupts
Apr 01 03:47:14 <CIA-17> openmoko: after this happens we do not see any more interrupts from the one whose acknowledge
Apr 01 03:47:16 <CIA-17> openmoko: was broken.
Apr 01 03:47:49 <Marcel_M> and of course mouse , keyboard (usb & bluetooth)
Apr 01 03:48:27 <duffyd> great - would there be any way to get wifi working using that?
Apr 01 03:48:46 <Marcel_M> i think it should be no problem
Apr 01 03:51:18 <Marcel_M> prism-firmware ipk and others are on my rep ;)
Apr 01 03:52:23 <duffyd> ok, prism - what's that ;)
Apr 01 03:53:03 <Marcel_M> wifi chip producer
Apr 01 03:53:55 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03werner * r4286 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/fix-cpu-input-pulldowns.patch: Reverted changes to drivers/video/smedia3362.c (spill)
Apr 01 03:56:38 <duffyd> OH COOL
Apr 01 03:56:46 <duffyd> oh, excuse the yelling ;)
Apr 01 03:57:03 <Marcel_M> hehe :)
Apr 01 04:26:43 <jimiridge> hows the suspend mode coming along?
Apr 01 04:26:50 <jimiridge> will a call wake it up
Apr 01 04:35:59 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03werner * r4287 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in: environment.in: changed menu item "Reset" to "Reboot"
Apr 01 04:46:11 <duffyd> Marcel_M: mmm, same scrolling errors :(
Apr 01 04:47:40 <duffyd> Marcel_M: I'm wondering if it's my uboot now
Apr 01 04:48:01 <Marcel_M> duffyd: sorry i had a kernel misconf one of the images and i was hoping it wasnt the 27 one ...
Apr 01 04:48:25 <Marcel_M> i dont think its your uboot
Apr 01 04:48:33 <duffyd> ok
Apr 01 04:48:52 <duffyd> which one do you think is *good* ;)
Apr 01 04:49:11 <Marcel_M> good question :)
Apr 01 04:53:45 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ok how about this question - is it ok for me to prepare my sdcard by executing mkfs.ext3 /dev/deviceNameOfCard ?
Apr 01 04:53:55 <duffyd> or do I need to put some special options when doing this?
Apr 01 04:54:28 <Marcel_M> duffyd: it should be ok
Apr 01 04:55:27 <dmkae> hey all
Apr 01 04:55:33 <duffyd> doh, back to square 1 then :(
Apr 01 04:55:36 <duffyd> dmkae: hi
Apr 01 04:55:40 <dmkae> hello
Apr 01 04:55:42 <dmkae> whats new
Apr 01 04:56:02 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ok, 3rd reboot and see if Marcel_M's 27 march monster image works
Apr 01 04:56:12 <duffyd> doh too many nicks in there ;)
Apr 01 04:56:39 <dmkae> so, when is the first openmoko phones gonna be available?
Apr 01 04:58:27 <Marcel_M> duffyd: i got a 29 build in my nand (image) 
Apr 01 04:59:01 <duffyd> great, thanks
Apr 01 04:59:04 <duffyd> dindins
Apr 01 04:59:05 <duffyd> bbl
Apr 01 04:59:30 <dmkae> hello??
Apr 01 04:59:43 <Marcel_M> duffyd: wait a mom i take a look if i can see the kernel in the monster from 29
Apr 01 05:00:34 <unknown_lamer> dmkae: today
Apr 01 05:00:51 <dmkae> very funny
Apr 01 05:02:21 <SpeedEvil> dmkae: who kows.
Apr 01 05:03:21 <SpeedEvil> dmkae: broadly. There have been no reports other than the pre-production test of the last hardware candiate was going ahead - but that was a couple of weeks ago?
Apr 01 05:03:41 <dmkae> ah
Apr 01 05:03:50 <dmkae> and who might make the phones?
Apr 01 05:03:59 <SpeedEvil> They are beinng made by OpenMoko
Apr 01 05:04:05 <dmkae> ah ok hehe
Apr 01 05:04:26 <dmkae> so is the openmoko going to trash the google android?
Apr 01 05:04:56 <SpeedEvil> Ask again later.
Apr 01 05:05:27 <dmkae> hehe
Apr 01 05:06:42 <SpeedEvil> Most here hope so - the google platform has some problems.
Apr 01 05:06:55 <Marcel_M> duffyd: the 29 monster should be good
Apr 01 05:07:45 <dmkae> ah
Apr 01 05:07:52 <dmkae> is openmoko based in java like android?
Apr 01 05:08:15 <dmkae> i would like to start coding for the openmoko.  My first project would be to port doom to it. :)
Apr 01 05:08:28 <SpeedEvil> openmoko is 'just' a linux distribution.
Apr 01 05:08:37 <SpeedEvil> That's all it is.
Apr 01 05:08:39 <dmkae> ah
Apr 01 05:08:45 <dmkae> so whats special about it?
Apr 01 05:08:51 <SpeedEvil> It can run any linux apps you like - with X - that you can compile on it.
Apr 01 05:08:59 <dmkae> ah
Apr 01 05:09:09 <SpeedEvil> All the software and hardware interface stuff to make it into a phone.
Apr 01 05:09:10 <summatusmentis> SpeedEvil: what problems does android have?
Apr 01 05:09:19 <Marcel_M> gn8
Apr 01 05:09:19 <dmkae> so its a linux distro for the phones
Apr 01 05:09:28 <dmkae> yea, which problems?
Apr 01 05:10:01 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - the scope of user openness is java apps only - you can't majorly modify the phone functionality in unexpected ways.
Apr 01 05:10:42 <dmkae> so it's like the iphone then :P
Apr 01 05:10:44 <summatusmentis> oh, but it's based on linux, is it not?
Apr 01 05:10:56 <SpeedEvil> 'based on linux' means nothign.
Apr 01 05:10:58 <dmkae> Its based in java i think
Apr 01 05:11:08 <dmkae> the sdk is in java
Apr 01 05:11:11 <SpeedEvil> You can have something based on linux but not actually be able to use that fact.
Apr 01 05:11:16 <dmkae> i hate java
Apr 01 05:11:21 <SpeedEvil> As you can't install your own programs.
Apr 01 05:11:49 <SpeedEvil> one of the strengths of OM - in principle is that you can use python, lisp, or visual-fortran to write programs.
Apr 01 05:12:10 <dmkae> cool
Apr 01 05:12:14 <dmkae> but who actually uses those
Apr 01 05:12:46 <edistar_> dmkae: python? it's quite useful..
Apr 01 05:14:10 <dmkae> ah yea python
Apr 01 05:14:16 <dmkae> but not lisp or fortran
Apr 01 05:14:51 <unknown_lamer> lisp is very useful
Apr 01 05:14:57 <unknown_lamer> I use it every day ...
Apr 01 05:15:06 <edistar_> :P true.. but you can access the accelerometers directly in OM e.g., things that won't be so easy in android I guess
Apr 01 05:15:25 <unknown_lamer> I'm hoping the accelerometers will work well enough that I can have a tilt based lbreakout
Apr 01 05:15:53 <unknown_lamer> I seem to recall some talk a long while ago about needing three to be able to handle stuff like that
Apr 01 05:15:54 <SpeedEvil> they pick up tilt very well.
Apr 01 05:15:59 <unknown_lamer> but do they drift?
Apr 01 05:16:06 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: ballpark.
Apr 01 05:16:09 <edistar_> SpeedEvil: have you tried them yet?
Apr 01 05:16:17 <SpeedEvil> edistar_: no - I've read the datasheet
Apr 01 05:16:22 <edistar_> ok
Apr 01 05:16:25 <dmkae> could assembly be used too?
Apr 01 05:16:27 <SpeedEvil> edistar_: id they still use the same ones
Apr 01 05:16:30 <SpeedEvil> dmkae: sure
Apr 01 05:16:39 <unknown_lamer> if I can tilt my freerunner back and forth to make the breakout paddle move I'll be very happy
Apr 01 05:16:48 <edistar_> dmkae: of course, every programming language you want
Apr 01 05:17:00 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: you get a 3 degree or so granularity on where 'down' is.
Apr 01 05:17:23 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: this 'down' is where a short pendulumn would instantly point
Apr 01 05:17:29 <unknown_lamer> hmm
Apr 01 05:17:34 <edistar_> dmkae: whatever you may want to do on your desktop machine you can do on OM hardware too
Apr 01 05:17:35 <unknown_lamer> at least at worst I'll waste an afternoon 
Apr 01 05:17:40 <unknown_lamer> 'tho I'll have to write stuff in C yech
Apr 01 05:17:41 <edistar_> dmkae: only slower
Apr 01 05:17:48 <unknown_lamer> unless someone writes a joystick driver for it or something
Apr 01 05:17:53 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: but of course it doesn't sway like a real pendulumn.
Apr 01 05:34:55 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03werner * r4288 10/trunk/src/target/dynenv/ (. Makefile README dynenv.c mtd-abi.h): 
Apr 01 05:34:55 <CIA-17> openmoko: "dynenv" is a utility to read or write the u-boot environment pointer stored
Apr 01 05:34:55 <CIA-17> openmoko: in the OOB area of NAND.
Apr 01 05:47:32 <dmkae> hehehe
Apr 01 05:47:38 <dmkae> i love that slogan in the openmoko site
Apr 01 05:47:45 <dmkae> "If cant open it, you dont own it"
Apr 01 05:47:55 <dmkae> Awesome people
Apr 01 05:48:10 <dmkae> Bill Gates would have a heartattack if he heard that
Apr 01 07:04:41 <duffyd> hi can someone remind me where the latest uboot is?
Apr 01 07:08:53 <SpeedEvil> On ufeet?
Apr 01 07:09:12 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: ?
Apr 01 07:09:20 <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
Apr 01 07:09:42 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: being funny ;)
Apr 01 07:09:48 * SpeedEvil suffers from a condition that causes him to make bad jokes. It's not at all punny.
Apr 01 07:10:04 <Sonicadvance1> hehe
Apr 01 07:10:05 <SpeedEvil> I'd first look at the u-boot page on the wiki
Apr 01 07:13:23 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: yeah had a look there but better look a little closer
Apr 01 07:14:30 <Sonicadvance1> Berries and cream
Apr 01 07:14:49 * SpeedEvil recently had strawberries and ice-cream. Mmmm.
Apr 01 07:15:06 <duffyd> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin
Apr 01 07:15:08 <methril> morning
Apr 01 07:15:10 <duffyd> is that it?
Apr 01 07:15:36 <duffyd> I get told to go here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/  when going to the uboot page on the wiki
Apr 01 07:15:43 <duffyd> and then I find a link to *that* uboot
Apr 01 07:16:51 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r120 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: fixed build issues
Apr 01 07:17:23 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r121 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pygpsd.py: set fix on value of "warning" in RMC sentence
Apr 01 07:18:51 <SpeedEvil> The one I built yesterday was /u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4230+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin
Apr 01 07:19:49 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: I don't have a debug board, though :(
Apr 01 07:19:51 * duffyd scared
Apr 01 07:20:14 <SpeedEvil> All I can say is that http://www.mauve.plus.com/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4230+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin worked for me
Apr 01 07:20:17 <SpeedEvil> However.
Apr 01 07:20:22 <SpeedEvil> Why do you want to upgrade?
Apr 01 07:21:31 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: well I've tried a number of OM builds over the past several days and everyone one of them fails to boot
Apr 01 07:21:48 <SpeedEvil> what do you mean by boot?
Apr 01 07:21:48 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: I thought I'd eliminate the uboot issue before looking into other things
Apr 01 07:22:04 <duffyd> well it'll boot so far and then hang with differing error messages
Apr 01 07:22:26 <duffyd> last image I successfully got to boot was an underground image but that was with an older kernel
Apr 01 07:22:27 <SpeedEvil> Before or after mounting hte filesystem?
Apr 01 07:22:29 <duffyd> unsure if that's the rason
Apr 01 07:22:33 <duffyd> after
Apr 01 07:22:36 <SpeedEvil> have you ever upgraded u-boot?
Apr 01 07:22:39 <duffyd> no
Apr 01 07:22:45 <duffyd> hence my wanting to :)
Apr 01 07:22:51 <Sonicadvance1> :D
Apr 01 07:22:54 <SpeedEvil> Ok - you need to do 'nand erase rootfs' before upgrading.
Apr 01 07:23:02 <SpeedEvil> and that's all - and it'll work fine.
Apr 01 07:23:13 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: but I'm booting from the *sd*
Apr 01 07:23:15 <SpeedEvil> the problem is that jffs is corrupted by crap at the end of the filesystem.
Apr 01 07:23:17 <SpeedEvil> oh
Apr 01 07:23:20 <duffyd> not from the nand partition
Apr 01 07:23:25 <SpeedEvil> does it work if you boot from nand?
Apr 01 07:23:42 <duffyd> as I said the last one I had boot successfully was an OM underground image from the nand
Apr 01 07:23:59 <duffyd> but I've since tried a OM image from buildhost.OM that was on the nand and didn't boot
Apr 01 07:24:15 <duffyd> lately I've been getting consistent errors with booting from sd where it says segmentation fault
Apr 01 07:24:23 <duffyd> which I thought was a possible uboot issue iirc
Apr 01 07:24:29 <SpeedEvil> You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading flashes.
Apr 01 07:24:38 <SpeedEvil> You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading filesystems.
Apr 01 07:24:45 <SpeedEvil> You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading nand images.
Apr 01 07:25:16 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: yeah I know, I have been doing that
Apr 01 07:25:21 <duffyd> shall I repeat myself 3x too ;)
Apr 01 07:25:46 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I edited to reflect reality.
Apr 01 07:26:11 <duffyd> np
Apr 01 07:26:31 <SpeedEvil> u-boot may be the problem with SD boot - I'm unsure.
Apr 01 07:26:36 <duffyd> I'm wondering if it's a combination issue of old uboot + new kernel + booting from sd
Apr 01 07:26:44 <SpeedEvil> what country are you?
Apr 01 07:26:47 <duffyd> yeah wanna try and get that issue out of the way anyway
Apr 01 07:26:48 <duffyd> NZ
Apr 01 07:27:09 <SpeedEvil> I probably can't realistically help you with unbricking hten :)
Apr 01 07:27:24 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: tell you what, I'll use the uboot you recommended at least I have a better chance than a random one
Apr 01 07:27:39 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: well currently the thing is useless anyway so probably doesn't matter
Apr 01 07:27:47 <duffyd> I should be able to find someone in the 2 islands ;)
Apr 01 07:28:19 <SpeedEvil> All I can say about it is it booted my neo once :)
Apr 01 07:28:28 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: lol
Apr 01 07:28:33 <duffyd> well that means it's not bricked right
Apr 01 07:28:37 <duffyd> ;)
Apr 01 07:29:08 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: you got a download url for that uboot image?
Apr 01 07:32:06 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r122 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (src/sim.c test/Makefile.am test/sim_unit.py): 
Apr 01 07:32:06 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: Added proper replies to pin code related queries.
Apr 01 07:32:06 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: Added pin code related tests.
Apr 01 07:33:11 * SpeedEvil points at the above url.
Apr 01 07:33:50 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: oh the one *you* built, missed that ;)
Apr 01 07:35:15 <Sonicadvance1> Oh, I have a question. What is battery life at comparing it to say....3 months ago? :D
Apr 01 07:35:50 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, static.
Apr 01 07:36:01 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 01 07:36:06 <SpeedEvil> cesarb seemed to be making some progress, then stalled for reasons I don't know of.
Apr 01 07:37:59 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: gta02 ;)
Apr 01 07:38:38 <SpeedEvil> oh.
Apr 01 07:38:39 <SpeedEvil> :/
Apr 01 07:38:47 <Sonicadvance1> hm'
Apr 01 07:39:39 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: just guessing (but possibly some truth in it ;)
Apr 01 07:45:16 <josch> are there other openmoko compatible phones besides gta1973 and the motorola a1200 ?
Apr 01 07:45:22 <josch> is there a wiki page about it?
Apr 01 07:46:17 <doc|home> josch: there's some amount of working on palm phones, the wiki had info on it
Apr 01 07:47:17 * doc|home zZzZz
Apr 01 07:47:38 <duffyd> ok here goes with the uboot flash 
Apr 01 07:47:46 * duffyd hands shake a little
Apr 01 07:48:08 <mbuf> josch, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko-supported_hardware
Apr 01 07:48:23 <josch> mbuf, ah nice!
Apr 01 07:48:48 <duffyd> seemed to work :)
Apr 01 07:48:57 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: yay!
Apr 01 07:49:08 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: now to see if it'll boot my sdcard image
Apr 01 07:52:16 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: it booted - yaaaayyyyyyy!
Apr 01 07:52:24 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: it was the uboot after all :P
Apr 01 07:53:02 <josch> duffyd, now you have it booting from sd - try out debian ;)
Apr 01 07:53:14 <duffyd> josch: how?
Apr 01 07:53:27 <josch> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
Apr 01 07:54:07 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 01 07:54:38 * SpeedEvil wonders if duffyd will spot the GPS/phone surveilance.
Apr 01 07:55:08 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: lol
Apr 01 07:55:46 <duffyd> SpeedEvil: I owe you :)
Apr 01 07:56:51 <SpeedEvil> np.
Apr 01 07:58:50 <duffyd> anyone here running something like python sqlalchemy with say django/TurboGears on there phone
Apr 01 07:59:03 <duffyd> I wanna have a basic sqlite db and some simple frontend
Apr 01 08:02:19 <ScaredyCat> sqlite is in oe ..
Apr 01 08:03:12 <duffyd> ScaredyCat: oh really, cool
Apr 01 08:03:37 <duffyd> ScaredyCat: s'pose I can just compile sqlalchemy myself
Apr 01 08:04:51 <josch> duffyd, i dont know sqlalchemy but maybe someone can write a bb recepy for you
Apr 01 08:06:00 <ScaredyCat> ... mysql is in my repo too .. if you want that :)
Apr 01 08:07:15 <josch> duffyd, if you only want to do some quick benchmarks maybe debian is an option because there you have all the dev tools at hand - if it works there fast enough you can still have someone doing a bb for it and putting into oe
Apr 01 08:07:40 <duffyd> josch: k, thanks
Apr 01 08:08:38 <josch> on om you dont have gcc, you only have busybox, you dont have man... i prefer debian on my neo to do the dev work - just yesterday i compiled the sphinx search engine there
Apr 01 08:09:37 <duffyd> mmm appears to be in oe already: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-December/010672.html
Apr 01 08:25:55 <duffyd> hey finally the addresses have come through on the phone!!!!
Apr 01 08:25:56 <duffyd> yay
Apr 01 08:26:54 <duffyd> Marcel_M: ping
Apr 01 08:32:40 <ScaredyCat> have the mailing lists died ?
Apr 01 08:33:05 <josch> ScaredyCat, seems so...
Apr 01 08:40:30 <duffyd> interesting..I can boot the nand image using a nokia bl-5c battery but can't boot the sdcard image
Apr 01 08:40:38 <duffyd> does that require more battery power?
Apr 01 08:40:56 <josch> duffyd, lol really?
Apr 01 08:41:20 <josch> duffyd, mine boots fine with bl5c, bl6c and 3rd party nokia batteries
Apr 01 08:43:07 <duffyd> josch: even the sdcard?
Apr 01 08:43:13 <josch> aye
Apr 01 08:43:19 <duffyd> mmm strange
Apr 01 08:43:23 <josch> i never boot flash :P
Apr 01 08:43:33 <duffyd> :P
Apr 01 08:43:36 <josch> well I boot kernel from flash but rootfs is on sd
Apr 01 08:43:45 <duffyd> josch: how do you do that?
Apr 01 08:43:52 <josch> ??
Apr 01 08:43:53 * duffyd don't have enough OM foo
Apr 01 08:44:05 <josch> well I have no other option
Apr 01 08:44:11 <josch> uboot cannot boot from sdhc
Apr 01 08:44:19 <duffyd> oh really
Apr 01 08:44:26 <duffyd> doh, that may be where I've been going wrong
Apr 01 08:44:31 <duffyd> lol
Apr 01 08:44:34 <josch> so I have the kernel on flash but let uboot tell the kernel that it should take the rootfs from sdhc
Apr 01 08:44:46 <josch> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
Apr 01 08:44:49 <duffyd> ahhh, now things are starting to make sense
Apr 01 08:44:53 <josch> everything i know i learned there
Apr 01 08:45:00 <duffyd> cool
Apr 01 08:46:18 <duffyd> it boots!
Apr 01 08:46:21 <duffyd> using the nokia battery
Apr 01 08:47:44 <duffyd> now I'm truly *mobile*
Apr 01 08:47:49 <duffyd> sad but true
Apr 01 08:48:19 <duffyd> reduced to carrying a spare battery that is
Apr 01 09:10:02 * ScaredyCat points duffyd @ http://blog.automated.it/2008/03/08/how-long-does-yours-stay-up/
Apr 01 09:10:50 <duffyd> ScaredyCat: yeah I've seen that but don't have the money to buy one of those at mo'
Apr 01 09:11:58 <ScaredyCat> I was wondering if someone like SpeedEvil could build something like that in the shape of the neo with a tiny cable so that it could be attached to the back of the neo
Apr 01 09:13:17 <SpeedEvil> I have something much better.
Apr 01 09:13:29 <SpeedEvil> I have a car battery, a 5V regulator, and some duct tape.
Apr 01 09:13:32 <ScaredyCat> hippo pr0n?
Apr 01 09:14:00 <ScaredyCat> SpeedEvil: You'll need a rucksack
Apr 01 09:14:26 <SpeedEvil> Naah. It is carried by minions.
Apr 01 09:14:40 <josch> or maybe the car battery is still in the car ^^
Apr 01 09:16:03 <SpeedEvil> I used it to do some long-term averages of GPS position - around a day - in a clear to the sky spot.
Apr 01 09:16:35 <SpeedEvil> was easier than gettinng a AC lead.
Apr 01 09:27:50 <cb22> freerunner is out! .... this month hopefully
Apr 01 09:29:34 <duffyd> great
Apr 01 09:34:56 <ScaredyCat> it's out now!
Apr 01 09:35:12 * ScaredyCat points to the date
Apr 01 09:35:41 <duffyd> are you sure?
Apr 01 09:36:44 <ScaredyCat> about the date?
Apr 01 09:40:41 <duffyd> no, about it being released already ;)
Apr 01 09:41:03 <josch> lol freerunner released this month?? nevva!!
Apr 01 09:41:14 <josch> url or it didnt happen
Apr 01 09:41:35 <ScaredyCat> http://127.0.0.1/freerunner-out-today.html
Apr 01 09:41:36 <maroi> josch, today!
Apr 01 09:41:56 <josch> ScaredyCat, are you shure about this url?
Apr 01 09:42:03 <duffyd> josch: lol
Apr 01 09:42:05 <josch> ^^
Apr 01 09:42:28 <ScaredyCat> ~lart eveyone
Apr 01 09:42:28 * apt eats eveyone's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti
Apr 01 09:42:32 <ScaredyCat> every
Apr 01 09:42:40 <josch> did you know: they also released duke nukem today!
Apr 01 09:42:55 <maroi> haha :D
Apr 01 09:42:58 <ScaredyCat> yes, free copy with the freerunner
Apr 01 09:44:12 <josch> ScaredyCat, you dont believe me? http://127.0.0.1/duke_sold_with_freerunner.html
Apr 01 09:46:20 <ScaredyCat> next thing we know raster will be telling us he's completed the new keyboard
Apr 01 09:46:36 <josch> it's a qwerty one isnt it?
Apr 01 09:48:03 <ScaredyCat> it's a anything you want one... uses a config 
Apr 01 09:48:38 <josch> is it in an svn repo anywhere?
Apr 01 09:49:11 <ScaredyCat> no
Apr 01 09:49:15 <ScaredyCat> he's not completed it
Apr 01 09:49:15 <josch> :-/
Apr 01 09:57:47 <cb22> hell, things could get so crazy today, the mailing lists might even start to work
Apr 01 10:05:33 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03rob * r4289 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-wifi.c): (log message trimmed)
Apr 01 10:05:33 <CIA-17> openmoko: 2008-04-01 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com>
Apr 01 10:05:33 <CIA-17> openmoko:  * src/openmoko-panel-wifi.c: (wifi_applet_is_wireless_available),
Apr 01 10:05:33 <CIA-17> openmoko:  (wifi_applet_update_visibility), (wifi_applet_weak_notify_cb),
Apr 01 10:05:33 <CIA-17> openmoko:  (wifi_applet_timeout_cb), (mb_panel_applet_create):
Apr 01 10:05:37 <CIA-17> openmoko:  Poll every 5 seconds for the state of the wifi radio. It would be
Apr 01 10:05:39 <CIA-17> openmoko:  nicer to be notified rather than needing to poll. This uses the
Apr 01 10:12:35 <duffyd> i'm off cu all
Apr 01 10:35:17 <lundi> does anyone know if it's possible to access the raw GPS data with the antaris chip in GTA02?
Apr 01 10:35:34 <cb22> 11:48 < josch> is it in an svn repo anywhere?
Apr 01 10:35:34 <cb22> 11:49 < ScaredyCat> no
Apr 01 10:36:14 <josch> cb22, ??
Apr 01 10:36:37 <josch> lundi, i only have a gta01 but i think there is a serial device that outputs nmea
Apr 01 10:37:46 <lundi> according to the specs of the antaris it should be possible to use their proprietory protocol over the serial device as well
Apr 01 10:38:03 <lundi> but i don't know if the firmware allows it...
Apr 01 10:44:03 <emdete> lundi: sounds interesting but who wants these data? ;)
Apr 01 10:45:41 <lundi> emdete: everyone trying to get sub-meter GPS-accuracy out of your neo (as i would love to :o)
Apr 01 10:51:45 <lundi> apparantly there were some people working on this for the GTA01 but as the GPS chip changed for 02 these works have stalled - anybody still interested in working on precise GPS measurements with the GTA02?
Apr 01 10:52:51 <ScaredyCat> lundi: speak to SpeedEvil.. he knows about htis stuff
Apr 01 10:53:42 <nexus10> hi - I'm tracking Community_Updates for changes, is there another feed that will tell me as soon as GTA02 is available? I don't want to find it's sold out...
Apr 01 10:53:54 <lundi> ScaredyCat: thanks for the hint
Apr 01 10:54:18 <ScaredyCat> afaik he was one of the ones working on that project...
Apr 01 10:54:47 <ScaredyCat> the problem is, as you say, that the chip is different... so any work only benefits a few people. 
Apr 01 10:54:54 <ScaredyCat> ie those that have an 01
Apr 01 10:56:34 <lundi> yes i see
Apr 01 10:57:12 <nexus10> (I'm also subscribed to http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/announce -- hope that's going to be sufficient to beat the rush!)
Apr 01 10:57:15 <josch> ScaredyCat, you know how far they came?
Apr 01 11:01:18 <ScaredyCat> no, not really.. I don't htink too far, as I say speak to SpeedEvil...
Apr 01 11:01:39 <lundi> josch: I think the work pretty much stopped after getting gllin to output NMEA data
Apr 01 11:03:05 <cb22> josch: wtf, i copied and pasted that by accident, sorry
Apr 01 11:03:29 <emdete> lundi: for now nmea is enough for me... there is much more missing than accuracy ;)
Apr 01 11:05:58 <abraxa__> nexus10: Also, keep an eye on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/production-testing/
Apr 01 11:06:24 <nexus10> abraxa__: great, tx
Apr 01 11:06:48 <cb22> abraxa__: oooh, insider info!
Apr 01 11:07:57 <abraxa__> I'm innocent :)
Apr 01 11:11:32 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: I stalled due to a combination of personal and work reasons (most work reasons), and the USB driver is annoying to add the notifiers to ;-)
Apr 01 11:16:36 <loufoque> the FreeRunner is gonna be released this month!
Apr 01 11:17:10 <loufoque> april fools'
Apr 01 11:17:45 * abraxa__ watches loufoque get slaughtered by the masses
Apr 01 11:18:31 * ScaredyCat points out that loufoque is only a few hours later than everyone else who tried that...
Apr 01 12:18:30 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r123 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (Makefile pygpsd.py pygsmd.py pyneod.ini pypppd.py pypwrd.py): 
Apr 01 12:18:30 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: various cleanups in names & logging
Apr 01 12:18:30 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: status block for signals have default values now
Apr 01 12:21:45 <josch> hehe - the decision concering ooxml is released tomorrow instead of today...
Apr 01 12:22:13 <josch> may i guess that this is because somebody could think about it as an aprils fools joke? :-D
Apr 01 12:23:34 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4290 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/data/Wifi.png: 
Apr 01 12:23:34 <CIA-17> openmoko: Use the png file from Will.
Apr 01 12:23:34 <CIA-17> openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1287
Apr 01 12:23:47 <DPThough1> josch: was it at any time more than a practical joke on the world?
Apr 01 12:24:44 <DPThough1> not my sense of humor, but one of the only ways it makes sense to me
Apr 01 12:25:06 <josch> yeah! lets begin an ooxml discussion!
Apr 01 12:25:38 <josch> well it defaced m$, it defaced iso, it defaced several standard bodies in the different countries...
Apr 01 12:26:06 <josch> in the end it will deface m$ even more because they dont even comply to it now - imagine what they do in two years
Apr 01 12:27:01 <DPThough1> sometimes reality provides the best jokes
Apr 01 12:27:06 <josch> if ooxml could only be simple, valid xml!!
Apr 01 12:27:28 <francesco_> helo there
Apr 01 12:27:35 <francesco_> the question of the day is ...
Apr 01 12:27:51 <josch> when will the duke arrive?
Apr 01 12:27:52 <francesco_> how do I get to have a minimal installation of openmoko ?
Apr 01 12:28:05 <josch> whut?? openmoko IS minimal isnt it?
Apr 01 12:28:13 <josch> francesco_, how minimal do you want it to be?
Apr 01 12:28:15 <francesco_> no matchbox 
Apr 01 12:28:21 <josch> why?
Apr 01 12:29:13 <francesco_> I'd like to worki on it from scratch
Apr 01 12:29:21 <josch> hehe
Apr 01 12:29:25 <DPThought> francesco_: flash the kernel and you are done
Apr 01 12:29:28 <josch> what would you like to accomplish?
Apr 01 12:29:38 <DPThought> ;)
Apr 01 12:30:13 <josch> without matchbox and the gtk apps i think it's no longer openmoko - you can use any oe distro then
Apr 01 12:30:39 <josch> you can even flash an entirely other minimal os
Apr 01 12:30:49 <josch> debian for instance :P
Apr 01 12:32:14 <francesco_> yep  I saw the hype 'bout debian
Apr 01 12:32:43 <josch> hehe
Apr 01 12:32:57 <josch> francesco_, gentoo also worked
Apr 01 12:33:11 <josch> I would assume you may install anything that compiles for arm eabi
Apr 01 12:33:44 <josch> well gentoo might be not the best os for flash devices... :P
Apr 01 12:34:12 <avtobiff> debian maybe
Apr 01 12:34:17 <avtobiff> or possibly emdebian
Apr 01 12:34:31 * DPThought votes for OE :)
Apr 01 12:34:43 <francesco_> my intention is to modify the MokoMake to build something with ssh, xlibs and little more
Apr 01 12:35:17 <josch> francesco_, maybe you should dive into how to do a oe distribution
Apr 01 12:35:39 <josch> francesco_, i assume it being no big deal to remove all the things to like from the build tasks on oe
Apr 01 12:35:55 <josch> but you have to ask another one which file to take - was a long time ago i did this
Apr 01 12:41:25 <francesco_> are there some guides for making a porting ?
Apr 01 12:53:33 <SpeedEvil> you can tell OE to include or declude anything
Apr 01 12:55:41 <cb22> s/de/ex/
Apr 01 12:56:41 <Sup3rkiddo> hi all
Apr 01 13:03:05 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r124 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add skeleton for py-odeviced
Apr 01 13:06:47 <ScaredyCat> declude - are you making words up SpeedEvil?
Apr 01 13:07:15 * josch non native but isnt it exclude? :P
Apr 01 13:09:50 <SpeedEvil> Meh.
Apr 01 13:10:03 * SpeedEvil gets to make stuff up.
Apr 01 13:13:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1313 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info
Apr 01 13:13:01 <cdbot2> * * GTA01 POWER button does nothing after resume
Apr 01 13:13:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1313
Apr 01 13:13:10 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1312 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info
Apr 01 13:13:12 <cdbot2> * * No way to remove tracks from a playlist
Apr 01 13:13:14 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1312
Apr 01 13:17:05 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r125 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pygsmd.py: removed typo
Apr 01 13:17:14 <slytherin> hi all, am I the only one to think that qemu based simulator very slow?
Apr 01 13:17:21 <josch> slytherin, no ^^
Apr 01 13:18:05 <slytherin> josch: Thanks. I felt that it was slow to the point of being unusable. Even ona  amachine with 1.6 GHz processor and 700 MB RAM
Apr 01 13:18:36 <slytherin> josch: any idea if there is anything being done for speed improvement?
Apr 01 13:18:56 <josch> slytherin, of course!
Apr 01 13:19:02 <josch> buy a freerunner! :P
Apr 01 13:20:02 <slytherin> josch: can't afford it. :-( The ease cost itself is too much for me. And I don't know how much delivery cost will be for me 
Apr 01 13:20:30 <josch> slytherin, why do you need speed? what do you do?
Apr 01 13:21:19 <slytherin> josch: I didn't do anything. I just was looking at interface. But it was taking too long to respond
Apr 01 13:29:43 <keitsi> I also found the qemu interface to be slow, even on my 2.6GHz quadcore. how fast is a real freerunner?
Apr 01 13:30:37 <josch> keitsi, hard to say - you have to use a real one yourself
Apr 01 13:31:00 <keitsi> compared to a random Nokia phone for example?
Apr 01 13:33:40 <Sup3rkiddo> keitsi, its kinda expected..freerunner has a different processor altogether....so x86 -> arm is sucky
Apr 01 13:34:48 <mjr> probably the gta01 is slightly faster than your box
Apr 01 13:34:49 <kdean06> keitsi, My Neo is signifigantly faster than Qemu but it's still pretty slow (though... It's not because the phone is slow but because there's bloat).
Apr 01 13:34:59 <mjr> (qemu doesn't parallelize)
Apr 01 13:35:42 * ScaredyCat suggests kdean06 modify the gtk theme ;)
Apr 01 13:36:21 <kdean06> ScaredyCat, GTK theme doesn't cut a 3 minute boot time. :)
Apr 01 13:36:43 <kdean06> I've actually been meaning to use your theme, BTW. I don't like the looks, but I'm a fan of speed.
Apr 01 13:36:45 <cb22> woah, and the mails come through....
Apr 01 13:38:47 <cb22> 42 applications
Apr 01 13:40:12 <ScaredyCat> 3 minutes? wtf
Apr 01 13:40:37 <keitsi> it was something like that also for me
Apr 01 13:41:15 <keitsi> boot time doesn't disturb me much though
Apr 01 13:41:31 <keitsi> just don't turn it off :)
Apr 01 13:44:33 <ScaredyCat> my hpone boots <2 mins...
Apr 01 13:44:35 <ScaredyCat> phone
Apr 01 13:44:38 <ScaredyCat> neo
Apr 01 13:45:09 <ScaredyCat> one of the guys I work with has a nokia 9300i and it's not that much slower
Apr 01 13:45:16 <DPThought> same here. It's long. Awfully long. But not 3 min
Apr 01 13:45:54 <kdean06> ScaredyCat, How are you measuring that?
Apr 01 13:46:24 <SpeedEvil> that's not first boot is it?
Apr 01 13:46:48 <kdean06> Oh, sorry... Yeah, first boot = 3, second = a few shy of 2
Apr 01 13:47:23 <ScaredyCat> well, ok, but the first boot is.. wll the first boot after a reflash, that doesn't count
Apr 01 13:47:52 <SpeedEvil> In principle, we don't care.
Apr 01 13:48:02 <keitsi> ok, my boot time is exactly 1m 23 seconds
Apr 01 13:48:03 <SpeedEvil> But we need the PM work to get to that point.
Apr 01 13:48:08 <keitsi> on qemu
Apr 01 13:48:47 <ScaredyCat> I agree SpeedEvil - get pm sorted so we dont need to reboot...
Apr 01 13:48:52 <ScaredyCat> or power down
Apr 01 13:49:24 <ScaredyCat> kdean06: you can also change the colours in the theme :)
Apr 01 13:49:39 <Sup3rkiddo> cb22, GSoC?
Apr 01 13:49:45 <Sup3rkiddo> applications?
Apr 01 13:49:57 <kdean06> Yeah, okay, I'll not count the reflash (though it's actually my most common boot, but I'm well aware I'm not normal :) ) but 2 minutes is still pretty high. I've seen 30 seconds as the target which would be insane - my wife's neo-RAZR takes about 50 seconds.
Apr 01 13:50:00 <ScaredyCat> is pm a GSoc goal?
Apr 01 13:50:17 <Sup3rkiddo> whats pm?
Apr 01 13:50:23 <ScaredyCat> power management
Apr 01 13:50:34 <Sup3rkiddo> ScaredyCat, i have applied it as part of mine
Apr 01 13:50:40 <ScaredyCat> kdean06: right, boot times need to be compared to smart phones
Apr 01 13:50:45 <Stephmw> pm is pretty pointless until the software stack is more stable
Apr 01 13:50:50 <ScaredyCat> Sup3rkiddo: good :D
Apr 01 13:51:28 <Sup3rkiddo> ScaredyCat, only that mickeyl is happily skiing down under and i have no idea if my application is goos enough
Apr 01 13:51:38 <ScaredyCat> What!
Apr 01 13:51:43 <ScaredyCat> he's on holiday?
Apr 01 13:51:54 * Sup3rkiddo heard he is on vacation
Apr 01 13:52:04 <josch> he is
Apr 01 13:52:06 <ScaredyCat> did someone tell you that today?
Apr 01 13:52:07 <josch> in austria
Apr 01 13:52:09 <kdean06> If suspend gets fixed the idea of turning off the phone might go *poof*. That would be very nice.
Apr 01 13:52:17 <Sup3rkiddo> oh lol..austria
Apr 01 13:52:19 <Sup3rkiddo> :P
Apr 01 13:52:33 <ScaredyCat> ~lart Sup3rkiddo
Apr 01 13:52:33 * apt takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Sup3rkiddo's direction, hitting Sup3rkiddo and sending Sup3rkiddo flying into the closet
Apr 01 13:52:52 <Sup3rkiddo> :X
Apr 01 13:52:53 <ScaredyCat> austria is a little closer too
Apr 01 13:52:59 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah..!
Apr 01 13:53:43 <zedstar_> so the nokia tablet is gonna get wimax? is wimax available anywhere in europe right now?
Apr 01 13:53:53 <ScaredyCat> yeah, I've never had suspend working properly kdean06 :(
Apr 01 13:55:14 <cb22> Sup3rkiddo: yepp
Apr 01 13:55:25 <kdean06> Nor have I.
Apr 01 13:55:36 <kdean06> Greetings raster 
Apr 01 13:55:46 <ScaredyCat> keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard 
Apr 01 13:55:55 <ScaredyCat> oh, hello raster..
Apr 01 13:55:56 <ScaredyCat> :P
Apr 01 13:55:59 <raster> ScaredyCat: svn svn svn
Apr 01 13:56:01 <raster> :)
Apr 01 13:56:07 <cb22> mushroom mushroom...
Apr 01 13:56:19 <ScaredyCat> badger badger badger
Apr 01 13:56:27 <ScaredyCat> oooooh it's a snaaaake
Apr 01 13:56:29 <cb22> svn svn oh no its svn
Apr 01 13:56:29 <abraxa_> mushroom mushroom
Apr 01 13:56:33 <ScaredyCat> s it in svn then?
Apr 01 13:56:35 <monkeyiq> cornflakes! </viv>
Apr 01 13:56:38 <josch> svn!!
Apr 01 13:56:44 <josch> url oor it didnt happen
Apr 01 13:56:53 <Sup3rkiddo> cb22, wow
Apr 01 13:56:58 <ScaredyCat> http://127.0.0.1/freerunner-out-today.html
Apr 01 13:57:26 <keitsi> almost got me
Apr 01 13:57:35 <monkeyiq> 404 I tells ya
Apr 01 13:57:37 <cb22> http://127.0.0.1/raster-releases-keyboard.html
Apr 01 13:57:37 * monkeyiq runs
Apr 01 13:57:54 <cb22> svn @ svn+ssh://localhost
Apr 01 13:58:44 <monkeyiq> http://127.0.0.1/pants.html is a worry when your!@home
Apr 01 13:59:52 <kdean06> abraxa_, ScaredyCat cb22 Thanks... I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day now. :(
Apr 01 14:01:54 <ScaredyCat> badger
Apr 01 14:02:23 <abraxa_> kdean06: Our pleasure =D
Apr 01 14:04:15 <ScaredyCat> raster: have you given your keyboard some twtty name or is it called 'keyboard'
Apr 01 14:04:32 <ScaredyCat> ie is it called diversity-nav ?
Apr 01 14:04:37 <jadams_> I just want a scap for the kb
Apr 01 14:05:10 <summatusmentis> so, I gather raster is working on a keyboard then?
Apr 01 14:05:35 <jadams_> I've only been guessing from ScaredyCat's ceaseless chatter
Apr 01 14:05:38 <raster> ScaredyCat: its part of illume
Apr 01 14:05:44 <francesco_> I'm back,  thx all answered my questions ... I got a new  odd one
Apr 01 14:05:56 <summatusmentis> are there screenshots for it raster ?
Apr 01 14:05:58 <Sup3rkiddo> hey, whos going to mars with google
Apr 01 14:06:00 <raster> no
Apr 01 14:06:13 <raster> dont have time to do that
Apr 01 14:06:33 <francesco_> What is the package that builds the rootfs inside Mokomake dir ?
Apr 01 14:07:21 <ScaredyCat> ~fish jadams_
Apr 01 14:07:22 * apt slaps jadams_ around with a large trout
Apr 01 14:08:20 <Sup3rkiddo> raster, more like you will tooo old...muhaha
Apr 01 14:11:45 <xaid|work> A screenshot of the work-in-progress keyboard would be great :)
Apr 01 14:12:24 <ScaredyCat> naa then he' actually have to start a copy of photoshop... 
Apr 01 14:13:23 <ScaredyCat> and 'render' some 'actual screenshots' of the 'nearly done' keyboard...
Apr 01 14:13:32 * ScaredyCat giggles and runa away...
Apr 01 14:13:51 <xaid|work> :)
Apr 01 14:14:00 <abraxa_> ScaredyCat: No, ScaredyCat, it won't get rendered. It gets rasterized :)
Apr 01 14:14:12 <ScaredyCat> heh
Apr 01 14:15:42 <Sup3rkiddo> he must be pretty pissed off at you guys...shame on you :s
Apr 01 14:16:30 <raster> Sup3rkiddo: will too old?
Apr 01 14:16:43 <raster> xaid|work: it looks like a... qwerty kbd.
Apr 01 14:16:49 <raster> theres nothing interesting about it currently
Apr 01 14:16:57 <raster> and the theme looks like arse as i havent put any effort into it
Apr 01 14:17:36 <SpeedEvil> openmoko-se!
Apr 01 14:18:07 <raster> i need to fix it so it resizes apps when the kbd is up (or down) (ie re-does layout)
Apr 01 14:18:12 <Sup3rkiddo> raster, will "be"...:S
Apr 01 14:18:13 <raster> and add a manual bringup/shutdown
Apr 01 14:18:17 <raster> and a layout selector
Apr 01 14:18:34 <raster> then i can add the clikc+drag zoom thing
Apr 01 14:18:45 <raster> THEN i can work on prediction/correction
Apr 01 14:19:09 <SpeedEvil> And speech recognition.
Apr 01 14:19:11 <DPThought> will the illume stuff run on neo or will only freerunner be fast enough?
Apr 01 14:20:28 <zash> llama!
Apr 01 14:20:35 <abraxa_> raster: As I understand it, we need to send candy to bribe you to continue? ;)
Apr 01 14:20:53 <Stephmw> is Candy the girl's name?
Apr 01 14:21:02 <abraxa_> lol
Apr 01 14:21:13 <abraxa_> Good call, Stephmw 
Apr 01 14:21:52 <raster> DPThought: it works faster on the gta01
Apr 01 14:21:52 <raster> :)
Apr 01 14:21:59 <ScaredyCat> yes, but he added the C after the sex change
Apr 01 14:22:16 <raster> Stephmw: i accept bribes in the form of "candy"'s :)
Apr 01 14:22:20 <Stephmw> ScaredyCat: in more ways than one...
Apr 01 14:22:27 <ScaredyCat> lol
Apr 01 14:23:16 <DPThought> raster: *g* Great answer. :) I guess i need to use it even it is slow, it's just too cool.
Apr 01 14:23:37 <raster> its very mu7ch a WIP
Apr 01 14:23:45 <raster> i kep getting distracted into other things
Apr 01 14:23:51 <SpeedEvil> All we need is to add nice smooth slow animation, so the user doesn't notice teh delay, as it's pretty!
Apr 01 14:23:52 <raster> i may have to drop it to do x driver work soon
Apr 01 14:25:32 <Stephmw> SpeedEvil: that perceived improvement can only get you so far though, it's a good first iteration
Apr 01 14:26:15 <summatusmentis> wtf? I built an entire image, and now qemu won't run
Apr 01 14:36:37 <SpeedEvil> Oh - at one point tehre was a 'commitment' that the next version - now freerunner - woul dhave 3.5mm stereo jack. Is it still 2.5mm?
Apr 01 14:45:15 <abraxa_> SpeedEvil: Still 2.5mm
Apr 01 14:47:29 <summatusmentis> is there something different about 2.5mm and 3.5mm, aside from the size of the hole? One doesn't need a different connection or anything do they?
Apr 01 14:49:00 <abraxa_> summatusmentis: The 2.5mm jack has 3 rings on the Neo, as far as I'm aware (but don't quote me on it)
Apr 01 14:49:22 <summatusmentis> abraxa_: umm... 3 rings?
Apr 01 14:49:34 <abraxa_> Some cameras use 2.5mm plugs for left/right/composite signals
Apr 01 14:49:55 <abraxa_> So maybe 3 rings has become standard for 2.5mm, no idea
Apr 01 14:49:59 <summatusmentis> ok, so what you're saying is that it's not really different?
Apr 01 14:50:17 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r126 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/README: py-odeviced: add README
Apr 01 14:51:54 <abraxa_> summatusmentis: Yeah, just that with some converters you might only have one channel
Apr 01 14:52:02 <abraxa_> (if it has 3 rings, that is)
Apr 01 14:52:07 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Apr 01 14:52:23 <summatusmentis> so then, is there reasoning for not upgrading to 3.5mm?
Apr 01 14:55:08 <SpeedEvil> It's four rings
Apr 01 14:55:10 <maroi> iirc the tip is microphone, first ring left/right second ring right/left and third ring is ground, the same would be possible with 3.5mm but its bigger but you'll find adapters 
Apr 01 14:55:14 <SpeedEvil> one is mic/switch
Apr 01 14:55:33 <summatusmentis> I see
Apr 01 14:55:39 <summatusmentis> hey, I've gotta go, I'll be around later
Apr 01 14:56:14 <maroi> as far as i now there are adapters from nokia or some other mobilephone company available
Apr 01 14:56:34 <SpeedEvil> _many_
Apr 01 14:56:37 <SpeedEvil> cheap on ebay
Apr 01 14:56:44 <maroi> jep..
Apr 01 14:56:55 <SpeedEvil> however - the problem is that a converter doesn't really work well
Apr 01 14:57:06 <SpeedEvil> Either it's rigid, and rips the socket off the PCB.
Apr 01 14:57:20 <SpeedEvil> Or it's flexible, and is another thing to lose.
Apr 01 14:58:32 <maroi> the second one is no problem, if its something like 20cm you can loose it but it doesnt annoy you, imho.
Apr 01 15:06:35 <cb22> 16:57 < SpeedEvil> Or it's flexible, and is another thing to lose.
Apr 01 15:07:06 <SpeedEvil> BT headphones are probably the right way to go.
Apr 01 15:07:36 <SpeedEvil> I want some BT headphones with a HID device on.
Apr 01 15:08:06 <cb22> wtf
Apr 01 15:08:13 <cb22> i have a copy and paste issue :(
Apr 01 15:12:41 <ScaredyCat> cb22: well, you have a paste issue 
Apr 01 15:29:39 <cb22> is touching halogen lamps really that evil?
Apr 01 15:30:34 <emdete> cb22: i've heard the sweat of your fingers destroys the glas
Apr 01 15:30:39 <ScaredyCat> iirc it only applies to unprotected
Apr 01 15:30:40 <wurp2> Does anyone know a) if there's a way to ask the GSM to tell you what cell towers & signal strengths it sees right now
Apr 01 15:30:41 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 01 15:30:42 <ScaredyCat> ones
Apr 01 15:30:52 <emdete> wurp2: shure
Apr 01 15:30:54 <SpeedEvil> wurp2 cb22
Apr 01 15:30:56 <wurp2> or b) how often it gives that information if you have the monitoring turned on
Apr 01 15:31:07 <wurp2> Yah, emdete is on :-)
Apr 01 15:31:08 <SpeedEvil> at%em1
Apr 01 15:31:11 <cb22> SpeedEvil: 2 birds 1 stone
Apr 01 15:31:19 <cb22> emdete: yeah, thats what i heard
Apr 01 15:31:47 <wurp2> I didn't realize any of the AT cmds had % in them!
Apr 01 15:31:56 <SpeedEvil> the oil causes problems when next heated. If cleaned before, it's ok
Apr 01 15:32:02 <nibbler_de> wurp2: http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso1.pdf
Apr 01 15:32:04 <wurp2> or should that be +
Apr 01 15:32:06 <cb22> ah ok
Apr 01 15:32:09 <wurp2> nibbler_de: Thanks!
Apr 01 15:32:15 <nibbler_de> also http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf
Apr 01 15:32:31 <cb22> btw, is it possible to tweak which base station it connects to?
Apr 01 15:32:36 <SpeedEvil> no
Apr 01 15:32:38 <cb22> my motorola e398 in em could do that
Apr 01 15:32:59 <cb22> (don't leave current cell unless no signal) or supposidly could do it
Apr 01 15:33:02 <SpeedEvil> at least not without firmware hacksd
Apr 01 15:33:55 <cb22> the e398 has been hacked nice
Apr 01 15:34:04 <cb22> elf loader :D
Apr 01 15:35:38 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: Google doesn't know about any AT.EM1...
Apr 01 15:36:52 <DPThought> Neo Pocky lol
Apr 01 15:37:14 <cb22> DPThought: http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=880127
Apr 01 15:37:14 <thos> any thoughts? http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/moko-theme-brand-new/
Apr 01 15:37:31 <cb22> goodie, a url that doesnt start with http://127.0.0.1!
Apr 01 15:38:15 * cb22 revives his gold e398
Apr 01 15:39:18 <emdete> wurp2: have you seen http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem ?
Apr 01 15:41:36 <wurp2> Wow, no I hadn't
Apr 01 15:41:57 <wurp2> Which is weird because I've searched the wiki many times for gsm
Apr 01 15:42:18 <emdete> wurp2: me too.. someone had to tell me also.
Apr 01 15:42:23 <cb22> would a 3.3v line from a psu be enough to take the place of a 3.6v battery?
Apr 01 15:42:27 <DPThought> thos: slick, but i'm not sure it would be a imprevement to the current theme. Just different. :)
Apr 01 15:42:38 <wurp2> That's perfect
Apr 01 15:42:46 <thos> DPThought, what you can't see is that it's 1000x faster
Apr 01 15:42:51 <wurp2> I'm going to build a little crutch app that monitors for gsm going offline & starts it back up
Apr 01 15:43:04 <emdete> wurp2: more or less. it doesnt work as wonderful here as in the wiki.
Apr 01 15:43:17 <DPThought> thos: i like the gradients and the glossy look. But i guess it depends on how much it is faster. :)
Apr 01 15:43:25 <wurp2> And I thought while I was at it I would record dated info about cell id & strength, possibly to use to construct a cell map using timed gps data
Apr 01 15:43:28 <wurp2> heh
Apr 01 15:43:40 <SpeedEvil> cb22: in what case?
Apr 01 15:44:05 <thos> DPThought, the problem with gradiants are that they are slow and look bad on a 16bit display without dithering
Apr 01 15:44:14 <cb22> SpeedEvil: replacing a phone's lion battery with power directly from a psu
Apr 01 15:44:15 <thos> DPThought, and dithering causes further performance loss
Apr 01 15:44:23 <SpeedEvil> cb22: ys
Apr 01 15:45:00 <cb22> also, on a normal phone, if you could execute native code with all no restrictions, could you rule the world x)?
Apr 01 15:45:07 <mwester> cb22:  Almost.  There are a number of issues - first, that's 10% low - things should function but it would be better to be at 3.5 or so.  Also, a battery has very low impedance, so you must take care to ensure you can provide current that matches (i.e. short, thick leads, perhaps a capacitor near the phone itself).
Apr 01 15:45:17 <SpeedEvil> mwester: not - it's not
Apr 01 15:45:24 <SpeedEvil> mwester: 3.3 is within the normal range
Apr 01 15:45:39 <mwester> Of a partially-discharged battery, it is.
Apr 01 15:45:57 <SpeedEvil> mew: admittedly - it's about 10% charge.
Apr 01 15:46:13 <playya> how would the participants of SoC be imformed that they are accepted?
Apr 01 15:46:19 <DPThought> thos: i was getting used to the performance. But knowing it could be much faster without the looks maybe changes that. I would say, shipt it with the fast theme and if someone likes to pimp his phone he can choos the more complex one. I guess this will be possible>
Apr 01 15:46:55 <DPThought> s/>/?
Apr 01 15:47:43 <SpeedEvil> wurp2: I just wrote http://www.mauve.plus.com/gsmlog for you.
Apr 01 15:48:15 <SpeedEvil> In reality - it was a few months ago
Apr 01 15:48:31 <SpeedEvil> at%EM=2,3 was the command actually
Apr 01 15:48:37 <SpeedEvil> it spews lots of info
Apr 01 15:50:14 <SpeedEvil> general format is columns of numbers - one column per cell
Apr 01 15:50:32 <wurp2> SpeedEvil: Awesome, thanks!  After emdete pointed me to that gsm modem page, I saw the AT%EM= series of commands
Apr 01 15:51:08 <wurp2> I sent in a patch to SettingsGui to use the new alsa config
Apr 01 15:51:24 <wurp2> (sent it to Kristian and ScaredyCat).  I didn't get any response.  Does anyone know Kristian?
Apr 01 15:51:59 <wurp2> It's a trivial patch, but w/o it SG doesn't work on any release starting March 1 or os
Apr 01 15:52:03 <wurp2> s/ os/ so/
Apr 01 15:52:04 <apt> wurp2 meant: It's a trivial patch, but w/o it SG doesn't work on any release starting March 1 or so
Apr 01 15:54:33 <ScaredyCat> huh? wah? wasup?
Apr 01 15:55:04 <thos> DPThought, something like that yeah
Apr 01 15:55:18 <thos> ScaredyCat, I stole your colours and made a theme with it
Apr 01 15:57:37 <wurp2> ScaredyCat: Just mentioning that I didn't get a response from Kristian about the SettingsGui patch (or you, but I know that you know that I know that you saw it)
Apr 01 16:02:11 <jadams_> thos, what about the theme that ScaredyCat uses?  Same slowdown?
Apr 01 16:02:20 <jadams_> it looks way better than those screenshots
Apr 01 16:02:42 <thos> jadams_, well, ScaredyCat uses the default GTK+ theme
Apr 01 16:03:01 <thos> jadams_, you have to imagine that running on the device, a 1px border is not going to cut it
Apr 01 16:03:07 <CIA-17> freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r127 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (pyggld.py pygsmd.py): using correct types for fields in response & signal maps
Apr 01 16:03:28 <jadams_> ?  I'm running ScaredyCat's image on my device, so I don't understand
Apr 01 16:04:15 <thos> jadams_, if you like it, good :-)
Apr 01 16:04:28 <jadams_> thos, ok :)
Apr 01 16:04:30 <thos> does he include his theme by default now?
Apr 01 16:04:35 <jadams_> on his image
Apr 01 16:04:36 <ScaredyCat> he does
Apr 01 16:04:41 <ScaredyCat> :)
Apr 01 16:04:43 <jadams_> it's gorgeous
Apr 01 16:04:49 <jadams_> much nicer than the default theme imo
Apr 01 16:04:49 <ScaredyCat> where's yours thos?
Apr 01 16:04:54 <jadams_> and I liked the default one
Apr 01 16:05:12 <ScaredyCat> evn the boot screens :)
Apr 01 16:05:48 <thos> jadams_, my idea is that without some of the extra lines and borders, it can provide a cleaner appearance
Apr 01 16:05:49 <jadams_> the cat on the shutdown screen is funny
Apr 01 16:06:03 <jadams_> thos: you should run ScaredyCat's theme for comparison's sake, because it's awesome
Apr 01 16:06:11 <ScaredyCat> my colleague calls those 'egoware'
Apr 01 16:06:13 <thos> jadams_, I already did
Apr 01 16:06:19 * jadams_ shuts his mouth
Apr 01 16:07:02 <thos> jadams_, I'm suprised that so many people like it, since people are always eager to berate the default GKT+ theme
Apr 01 16:07:17 <thos> personally I do rather like the "retro win 95" feel to it
Apr 01 16:09:16 <wurp2> thos: Wash your mouth out!
Apr 01 16:09:38 <ScaredyCat> OS/2 Warp ftw!
Apr 01 16:09:39 <ScaredyCat> :P
Apr 01 16:09:42 <wurp2> hah
Apr 01 16:09:53 <wurp2> My first two development jobs were primarily on Warp
Apr 01 16:10:56 <wurp2> Including supporting diesel mechanics in the field, who maintained the desktop machines that semi drivers synced their tablet pcs through
Apr 01 16:11:11 <wurp2> I'm pretty sure if you woke me with a 2am call I could tell you how to reboot an OS/2 box using the keyboard
Apr 01 16:12:33 <zedstar_> i really liked the OS/2 gui at the time
Apr 01 16:14:04 <zedstar_> what ever happened to OS/2?
Apr 01 16:14:15 <ScaredyCat> it was crap and died
Apr 01 16:14:16 <wurp2> Windows NT happened to OS/2
Apr 01 16:14:45 <DPThought> plain gtk like default non gnome/kde enivoronments give you makes my nails curl up (just my 2 eurocents)
Apr 01 16:15:14 <ScaredyCat> you'll like what I did then ;)
Apr 01 16:16:46 * ScaredyCat wonders if jadams_ even noticed that the build string does actually change on the x startup screen ..
Apr 01 16:18:08 <DPThought> zedstar_: like alomost everything microsoft was involved in, technology was irrelevant for success. :)
Apr 01 16:18:51 <DPThought> zedstar_: some strange thing called 'the marked' made it disapear
Apr 01 16:19:33 <zedstar_> was miles better user experience than NT or windows whatever [tm] at the time
Apr 01 16:39:48 <ScaredyCat> mmmmm.........
Apr 01 16:43:26 <ScaredyCat> anyone else get different dates on their modem firmware
Apr 01 16:43:27 <ScaredyCat> ?
Apr 01 16:55:10 <Moniker42> you know, i'd say it would've been a good idea to say "freerunner being released next week!" as an april fools' joke
Apr 01 16:55:16 <anrp> ...
Apr 01 16:55:18 <anrp> that's harsh
Apr 01 16:55:19 <Moniker42> but no one would have believed it
Apr 01 16:55:29 <Moniker42> harsher^
Apr 01 16:56:50 <orospakr> Hey, is there any way of doing fast charging off a dumb USB charger with the GTA01?
Apr 01 16:57:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 01 16:57:22 <ScaredyCat> yes
Apr 01 16:57:34 <ScaredyCat> install wurp2's little app
Apr 01 16:57:35 <orospakr> the university shop has aftermarket dumb USB chargers for a device called an "ipod" on sale for $6. ;)
Apr 01 16:57:38 <orospakr> neat!
Apr 01 16:57:45 <orospakr> what's it called?
Apr 01 16:58:16 <ScaredyCat> errm 1 sec
Apr 01 16:58:45 <ScaredyCat> fastcharge
Apr 01 16:59:42 <ScaredyCat> stupid wiki..
Apr 01 16:59:55 <ScaredyCat> it's on the wiki, I can never remember the page though
Apr 01 17:00:34 <ScaredyCat> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script
Apr 01 17:02:24 <ScaredyCat> just make sure you *can* draw 500ma
Apr 01 17:05:33 <Dodji> raster, ping
Apr 01 17:06:40 <summatusmentis> mickeyl needs to stop having fun and be available to answer my questions :)
Apr 01 17:06:54 <orospakr> ScaredyCat, it's marked as supporting 750 mA, so I should be all good.
Apr 01 17:11:16 <CIA-17> openmoko: 03andrew * r4291 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update buildhost download paths (Thilo Fromm).
Apr 01 17:16:15 <orospakr> ahh, I don't have Python on my Neo.  That's why it's not starting.
Apr 01 17:16:55 <summatusmentis> wurp2: ping
Apr 01 17:17:28 <orospakr> unfortunately, ipkg seem doesn't work in the snapshot images.
Apr 01 17:20:23 <ScaredyCat> did you update?
Apr 01 17:20:29 <ScaredyCat> ipkg update
Apr 01 17:21:01 <ScaredyCat> you'll need to double check you don;t have the broen ipkg install - ie one without an /etc/ipkg dir
Apr 01 17:22:45 <orospakr> ScaredyCat, seems like I do. :)
Apr 01 17:22:50 <orospakr> that explains why ipkg has never worked on this image.
Apr 01 17:22:54 <orospakr> it's from, uh, last week or so.
Apr 01 17:23:10 <orospakr> so, the packages actually ARE built along-side the images?
Apr 01 18:28:19 <cb22> abraxa_: what was that super secret mailing list you mentioned? ;)
Apr 01 18:31:01 <slytherin> Does anyone have any video of any recent build running on real handset?
Apr 01 18:40:37 <abraxa_> cb22: Oh, no idea... I think it was mentioned in one of the community ML posts last month
Apr 01 18:40:46 <abraxa_> Maybe it'll still be used.
Apr 01 18:41:02 <abraxa_> summatusmentis: You around?
Apr 01 18:41:05 <cb22> abraxa_: don't worry, i fished it out with /lastlog. no emails on it yet
Apr 01 18:41:09 <cb22> but it is a valid list
Apr 01 18:41:15 <abraxa_> Yeah
Apr 01 18:41:34 <cb22> must've been a usleep
Apr 01 18:47:58 <francesco_> hello again ... how should I cope with packages that need to have autogen.sh run before autoconf ? I'm trying to port inside Mokomake
Apr 01 18:50:49 <abraxa_> francesco_: You might want to ask that question in #oe
Apr 01 19:07:37 <wurp2> So everyone saw the announcement that they're starting mass production of FreeRunner?
Apr 01 19:08:43 <Blastur> please, aprils fool is silly.. but what you just did is just 
Apr 01 19:08:48 <Blastur> distasteful
Apr 01 19:09:22 <wurp2> I couldn't resist that one
Apr 01 19:09:57 <wurp2> I'm not typically much of an April Fool's guy, but it was unstoppable
Apr 01 19:14:39 <CM> Hehe
Apr 01 19:16:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1314 has been created by t-lo(AT)entropiesenke.de
Apr 01 19:16:01 <wurp2> Blastur:s/distasteful/asinine/
Apr 01 19:16:02 <cdbot2> * * old fic* device names in qemu-neo1973 env file
Apr 01 19:16:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1314
Apr 01 19:21:40 <ScaredyCat> pooky pooky
Apr 01 19:28:22 <wurp2> summatusmentis: pong, finally
Apr 01 19:28:31 <cb22> hrmph, brand new soldering iron not working
Apr 01 19:28:49 <summatusmentis> wurp2: umm... I can't honestly remember what I was goiing to ask. 
Apr 01 19:28:52 <wurp2> Hmm, my crappy 20 yr old soldering iron works great
Apr 01 19:29:02 <summatusmentis> oh wait! no, your dbus code, does it need anything special?
Apr 01 19:29:12 <cb22> i need one of those ultra1337 gas ones
Apr 01 19:29:28 <ScaredyCat> pfff
Apr 01 19:29:40 <ScaredyCat> termotatically controlled
Apr 01 19:29:44 <ScaredyCat> or
Apr 01 19:29:50 <ScaredyCat> thermostatically
Apr 01 19:30:21 <Tronic> In English the latter.
Apr 01 19:30:49 <cb22> i twat i taw a twardytwat
Apr 01 19:31:00 <wurp2> summatusmentis: You were looking at the checkFastCharge script
Apr 01 19:31:02 <Tronic> In Finnish it is "termostaattisesti", which is quite confusing.
Apr 01 19:31:14 <wurp2> summatusmentis: You have to install the python dbus ipkg
Apr 01 19:31:31 <wurp2> summatusmentis: I have a link to it on the wiki page for the SIM contact importer
Apr 01 19:31:32 <ScaredyCat> isn't that when you heat your balls on the stove?
Apr 01 19:31:43 <wurp2> ScaredyCat: ow.
Apr 01 19:31:43 <summatusmentis> wurp2: I don't have a neo device
Apr 01 19:31:59 <summatusmentis> should it matter?
Apr 01 19:32:07 <wurp2> Oh, then just install python-dbus, however is appropriate for your OS
Apr 01 19:32:21 <wurp2> The thing that WILL matter is that those dbus services won't be advertised
Apr 01 19:32:33 <wurp2> unless you're running on a real neo or qemu environment
Apr 01 19:32:50 <summatusmentis> ok, I'm working on getting qemu working, so I'll see if I can get that to work
Apr 01 19:33:02 <wurp2> If you're running qemu, you should just do everything on it as if you had a neo and it should be OK, I think.
Apr 01 19:33:11 <summatusmentis> alright, spiffy
Apr 01 19:33:15 <summatusmentis> thanks a lot
Apr 01 19:33:17 <wurp2> np
Apr 01 19:33:27 <summatusmentis> now, if you could just get mickeyl to come back, you'd be my idol :)
Apr 01 19:33:56 <wurp2> You can play w/ dbus w/o a neo (assuming your machine has some services that advertise on dbus) but you won't see the same interfaces
Apr 01 19:34:04 <ScaredyCat> yeah, being in 'australia' :P
Apr 01 19:34:04 * cb22 offers mickeyl some dinner
Apr 01 19:34:32 <summatusmentis> wurp2: I don't know if OS X has dbus or not
Apr 01 19:34:48 <wurp2> I'll bet it does, but that's a wild ass guess
Apr 01 19:35:06 <wurp2> google is your friend
Apr 01 19:35:13 <summatusmentis> yeah, I'll look into it later, thanks
Apr 01 19:44:44 <zedstar> if u want a simple dbus interface to try out u can try my location/distance calculating dbus daemon
Apr 01 19:45:55 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03thomas * r4292 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (. ChangeLog Makefile.am configure.ac src/Makefile.am): 
Apr 01 19:45:55 <CIA-16> openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
Apr 01 19:45:55 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * configure.ac:
Apr 01 19:45:55 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
Apr 01 19:45:55 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Bring in libhito for future use
Apr 01 19:53:20 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03thomas * r4293 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-contacts.c src/sms-utils.c): 
Apr 01 19:53:20 <CIA-16> openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
Apr 01 19:53:20 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/sms-contacts.c: (openmoko_contacts_util_dial_number):
Apr 01 19:53:20 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/sms-utils.c:
Apr 01 19:53:20 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Remove functions copied from libhito which now conflict with built in
Apr 01 19:53:23 <CIA-16> openmoko:  version of libhito.
Apr 01 19:53:44 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03thomas * r4294 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Apr 01 19:53:44 <CIA-16> openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
Apr 01 19:53:44 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
Apr 01 19:53:44 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/moko-save-number.c:
Apr 01 19:53:44 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/moko-save-number.h:
Apr 01 19:53:46 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Add moko-save-number.{c,h} for use in saving unknown numbers to contacts
Apr 01 20:01:25 <slytherin> Hi all, I am trying to use qemu based simulator. When I do make qemu, it downloads some images. But I observed it downloads gta01 images. How can I make it download gta02 images?
Apr 01 20:05:25 <cb22> hmm, for my youtube -> small video server, should i go with http, or use a homemade protocol?
Apr 01 20:06:55 <abraxa_> slytherin: There's no difference, just the naming is somewhat misleading
Apr 01 20:08:00 <slytherin> abraxa_: anyway, I changed an env file already
Apr 01 20:21:22 <anirudh__> hi
Apr 01 20:21:38 <anirudh__> any gsoc developers from India
Apr 01 20:23:00 <summatusmentis> developers? do you mean mentors or applicants?
Apr 01 20:34:32 <slytherin> anirudh__: Look for sudarsh/superkiddo in #ubuntu-in, in daytime :-D
Apr 01 20:40:21 <ScaredyCat> cb22: http
Apr 01 20:40:42 * ScaredyCat sings...
Apr 01 20:41:00 <ScaredyCat> Crusha, I want some Crusha..
Apr 01 20:42:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1315 has been created by zecke(AT)selfish.org
Apr 01 20:42:02 <cdbot2> * * Stability issues with illume/e and Qtopia
Apr 01 20:42:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1315
Apr 01 20:46:44 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03zecke * r4295 10/developers/zecke/apm_bios_test/ (. apm_bios_test.c): Add my simple apm test to see if one can delay going to suspend. One can.
Apr 01 21:20:43 <spydon> "Who will create bug #1337? :O"
Apr 01 21:21:58 <linuxxr> well
Apr 01 21:23:23 <ScaredyCat> gblah
Apr 01 21:23:25 <ScaredyCat> -g
Apr 01 21:37:42 <rahul_delight> Hi, I submitted an application in GSoC for a project under OpenMoko regarding SMS Android for Mobiles. If a mentor has reviewd that, I wish to have some comments and suggessions on it
Apr 01 21:38:45 <emdete> didn't know that android is interested in the neo platform, not even that it runs on it... hm
Apr 01 21:39:09 <raster> what has android to do with OM?
Apr 01 21:39:11 <rahul_delight> By android i mean "robotic machine"
Apr 01 21:39:13 <raster> in this case?
Apr 01 21:39:26 <thomasg> ah, so you meant a bot :)
Apr 01 21:39:29 <zash> smsbot?
Apr 01 21:39:31 <rahul_delight> a housekeeping application
Apr 01 21:39:32 <thomasg> sms-spambot :)
Apr 01 21:39:47 <rahul_delight> not spam bot but a bot which automates and eases yopur task
Apr 01 21:39:55 <rahul_delight> your*
Apr 01 21:40:15 <rahul_delight> helps with SMS search, spam filter, cryptography etc.
Apr 01 21:40:48 <emdete> rahul_delight: ah, so android does not mean dalvik for you?
Apr 01 21:40:57 <raster> and where does android come in?
Apr 01 21:41:13 <abraxa_> rahul_delight: Last info I heard was that the mentors are too busy to talk to each applicant individually so they'll comment using the GSoC web app
Apr 01 21:41:45 <rahul_delight> In this case "android" does not mean the google platform, but an automatic SMS software which automates various daily tasks
Apr 01 21:41:54 * doc|work stabs android viciously in the throat
Apr 01 21:41:56 <rahul_delight> oh
Apr 01 21:42:11 <doc|work> oh, well, then that just has a stupid name :/
Apr 01 21:42:21 <doc|work> why would they still call it that?
Apr 01 21:42:26 <emdete> rahul_delight: you should make that clear in your application
Apr 01 21:43:16 <rahul_delight> ok
Apr 01 21:45:25 <rahul_delight> As the name was confusing, I have changed it to "Intelligent SMS for mobile Phones"
Apr 01 21:45:37 <raster> ooooooh
Apr 01 21:45:42 <raster> i would suggest not using android
Apr 01 21:45:47 <raster> as everyone will think u mean googles stuff
Apr 01 21:45:48 <raster> :)
Apr 01 21:46:02 <raster> so intelligent sms
Apr 01 21:46:20 <linuxxr> an then theres LiMo
Apr 01 21:46:23 <raster> like "remembr to send my girlfirend an sms every few days saying "i love you" in one of 50 different pre-scripted ways"
Apr 01 21:46:40 <raster> so 1. gf is happy - she gets regular love notes via sms
Apr 01 21:46:40 <edistar> heh
Apr 01 21:46:41 <ScaredyCat> raster: in your illume readme, do you really mean make, or bitbake ?
Apr 01 21:46:51 <raster> 2. i am happy as i can't forget to send one and can do other useful things instead
Apr 01 21:46:52 <raster> :)
Apr 01 21:46:59 <rahul_delight> thats nice
Apr 01 21:47:09 <raster> ScaredyCat: i mean make
Apr 01 21:47:12 <wurp2> raster: I hope your gf doesn't read irc logs
Apr 01 21:47:14 <raster> ScaredyCat: Mokomakefile
Apr 01 21:47:15 <raster> :)
Apr 01 21:47:17 <rahul_delight> but My proposal is more than a SMS scheduler
Apr 01 21:47:28 <rahul_delight> :) naaa
Apr 01 21:47:34 <raster> wurp2: i'm safe
Apr 01 21:47:35 <raster> :)
Apr 01 21:47:37 <ScaredyCat> so you really mean bitbake...
Apr 01 21:47:45 <emdete> raster's girlfriend gets illumed ;)
Apr 01 21:47:53 <raster> well bitbake -c rebuild eet
Apr 01 21:47:58 <raster> ie - convert if u want
Apr 01 21:48:10 <ScaredyCat> not everyone uses mokomakefile ... and 'make' is a binary name already...
Apr 01 21:48:12 <raster> now.... let me make this kbd look less like arse
Apr 01 21:49:13 <ScaredyCat> this is me providing constructive feedback btw...
Apr 01 21:49:19 <edistar> raster: btw.. could you make some screenshots and upload them to the illume project site? it's been the same for 'ages' now :P
Apr 01 21:50:16 <ScaredyCat> you cold also mod the .bb's to use a defined 'home' location for the e and illume svn/cvs co's ... not force the user to put them in $HOME
Apr 01 21:50:30 <ScaredyCat> could
Apr 01 21:52:23 <ScaredyCat> I'd also consider mod'ing y the readme for people who already have a local overlay... the readme seems to imply you replace you local overlay.. which you can do, but you don;t have to
Apr 01 21:52:45 <raster> edistar: i have screenshots there.
Apr 01 21:52:49 <raster> and no - i won't
Apr 01 21:52:54 <raster> as i don't want to spend the time
Apr 01 21:53:10 <edistar> raster: ok, I can't see a lovely kbd there ;)
Apr 01 21:53:13 <raster> ScaredyCat: illume is alreayd in OE
Apr 01 21:53:20 <raster> the OM upstram has it packaged
Apr 01 21:53:27 <raster> those .bb's were for early adopters
Apr 01 21:53:40 * ScaredyCat stabs raster
Apr 01 21:53:43 <raster> edistar: its ugly currently
Apr 01 21:54:24 <edistar> ok
Apr 01 21:59:10 <raster> i dont want to go make screenshots of ugly stuff
Apr 01 21:59:21 <raster> i will show it off when i think it is able to be showed off
Apr 01 22:03:36 <edistar> raster: ok, have fun
Apr 01 22:39:49 <wurp2> Someone should write a rotary phone dialer ui for OM
Apr 01 22:40:04 <Qwell> wurp2: heh, that would be awesome
Apr 01 22:40:10 * Stephmw shudders
Apr 01 22:40:26 <ljp> i often think that as well,. that would be cool :)
Apr 01 22:40:36 <Qwell> I would use it.
Apr 01 22:40:57 <ljp> then you can get the bluetooth oldschool handset from thinkgeek.. and be really cool
Apr 01 22:40:59 <wurp2> It would have to make that tap-tap-tap noise after you release
Apr 01 22:41:07 <Qwell> wurp2: naturally
Apr 01 22:41:08 <ljp> of course
Apr 01 22:41:13 <wurp2> ooo, I need to go look at that
Apr 01 22:41:14 <wurp2> !
Apr 01 22:41:53 <wurp2> It's totally impractical, but it would just kick so much ass to pull out the old AT&T-rental-style handset when you get a cll
Apr 01 22:42:39 <wurp2> which is exactly what you were talking about, I see, ljp
Apr 01 22:42:43 <wurp2> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/
Apr 01 22:44:26 <josch> wurp2, by rotary phone dialer you mean those: http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/12144852.jpg
Apr 01 22:45:30 <wurp2> Yeah
Apr 01 22:46:05 <josch> if someone makes me the graphics then i have enough edje/evas skillz to make it happen
Apr 01 22:47:16 <raster> sk1llz
Apr 01 22:47:30 <wurp2> That one would be perfect... I was really thinking about the old AT&T rental dialer
Apr 01 22:47:31 <josch> oh yeah sk1llz... sry
Apr 01 22:47:55 <josch> we at neo1973-germany though about a steampunk e dialer
Apr 01 22:47:57 <wurp2> Whaddaya mean, send you the graphic?
Apr 01 22:48:02 <wurp2> You just sent us the graphic!
Apr 01 22:48:13 <ljp> :)
Apr 01 22:48:27 <josch> wurp2, this graphic is useless unless someone with gimp sk1llz takes it apart
Apr 01 22:48:37 <wurp2> True
Apr 01 22:48:42 <wurp2> I can split it into two layers, np
Apr 01 22:48:45 <raster> and then layers it up properly
Apr 01 22:48:51 <josch> 3 layers
Apr 01 22:49:00 <wurp2> where the rotary is one layer, transparent where there are holes, and one for background
Apr 01 22:49:04 <josch> dont forget the little pin on the lower right
Apr 01 22:49:08 <wurp2> hmm, I don't see where the 3rd layer is
Apr 01 22:49:20 <wurp2> Ah, I see
Apr 01 22:49:40 <josch> then you rotate the layer with the holes with a bit of magick [tm]
Apr 01 22:49:42 <wurp2> Still should be easy.  My Gimping is not good, but I think I could do that
Apr 01 22:49:53 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03werner * r4296 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: 
Apr 01 22:49:53 <CIA-16> openmoko: A few trivial cosmetic changes that have been long overdue.
Apr 01 22:49:53 <CIA-16> openmoko: - setup.sh: include configuration file name and build date in the "devirginate"
Apr 01 22:49:53 <CIA-16> openmoko:  script we generate
Apr 01 22:49:53 <CIA-16> openmoko: - setup.sh: in the instructions at the end, also mention to start openocd
Apr 01 22:49:55 <wurp2> Yeah, I don't think that would be too bad either
Apr 01 22:50:06 <josch> and out of those rotated images you can do either edje animations
Apr 01 22:50:20 <josch> or animate them with evas on your own
Apr 01 22:50:53 <wurp2> Just get angle from center of dialer to finger, find nearest number, then make the dialer layer maintain the same angle offset as the angle from original finger pos to current one
Apr 01 22:50:57 <wurp2> w/ a stop set in
Apr 01 22:51:00 <josch> well - if someone gives me good graphics I think I'm motiveated enough to do the coding
Apr 01 22:51:10 <wurp2> Cool, I will work on it
Apr 01 22:51:14 <josch> hehe
Apr 01 22:51:15 <josch> great
Apr 01 22:51:16 <wurp2> It may be the weekend before I get anything to you
Apr 01 22:51:21 <josch> np
Apr 01 22:51:25 <josch> wohoo!
Apr 01 22:52:12 <josch> kk - going to sleep now
Apr 01 22:52:14 <wurp2> I may remove the grime on the white part of the background layer
Apr 01 22:52:14 <josch> gnight!
Apr 01 22:52:17 <wurp2> later
Apr 01 22:52:43 <raster> ewwww
Apr 01 22:52:44 <raster> no
Apr 01 22:52:47 <raster> need to keep grime
Apr 01 22:52:50 <wurp2> I don't wanna remove it
Apr 01 22:53:00 <wurp2> but making it good in the areas that are hidden may be hard
Apr 01 22:53:01 <josch> grime is important!
Apr 01 22:53:06 <raster> u may have to reproduce it cleanly
Apr 01 22:53:10 <josch> yepp
Apr 01 22:53:11 <wurp2> and I am a shitty gimper
Apr 01 22:53:23 <raster> clean grime
Apr 01 22:53:23 <josch> this is what i meant with "gimp sk1llz"
Apr 01 22:53:32 <josch> i dont have them
Apr 01 22:53:39 <wurp2> I will try to keep the grime
Apr 01 22:53:51 <wurp2> I would be happy to see a better gimper volunteer
Apr 01 22:54:01 <josch> just ask around the next days
Apr 01 22:54:07 <wurp2> but meanwhile, I'll do my crappy best and maybe seeing it in action will motivate someone to show me up
Apr 01 22:54:15 <josch> motivate them for an efl steampunk gui :-D
Apr 02 01:46:42 <pjz> anyone tried putting their Neo into a PDA case?
Apr 02 01:47:10 * pjz thinks the Case Logic PLT-2 looks like it might fit
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