**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 10 02:59:56 2008 Apr 10 04:44:11 abraxa__: you around? Apr 10 05:01:30 does anyone know when mickey|zzZZzz will be around tomorrow? Apr 10 05:12:04 Hi all, if I want to develop a small bluetooth app that will work on multiple handsets, is openmoko for me? Apr 10 05:15:27 or is it only for the neo? Apr 10 05:17:05 No. Apr 10 05:17:22 The idea is that in the future, a large number of phones will run OM. Apr 10 05:17:36 However, this may be some way off. Apr 10 05:18:17 Essentially no work is going into getting other phones working. Apr 10 05:23:28 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r166 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/ (12 files): Apr 10 05:23:28 freesmartphone.org: Removed storage related old files. Apr 10 05:23:28 freesmartphone.org: Minor bugfixes and formatting changes. Apr 10 05:23:28 freesmartphone.org: Continued implementing phonebook operations. Apr 10 05:39:21 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r167 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (19 files in 5 dirs): Apr 10 05:39:21 freesmartphone.org: Python wrapper for libfreesmartphone to allow running the same tests. Requires Cython Apr 10 05:39:21 freesmartphone.org: Minor cleanups and fixes Apr 10 05:57:06 hello Apr 10 06:16:23 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r168 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (5 files): Began refactoring tests to enable testing libfreesmartphone aswell Apr 10 06:26:25 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r169 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/configure.ac: Build fix Apr 10 06:30:59 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4335 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: openmoko-panel-gsm: detect GSM modem power status (Erin Yueh) Apr 10 06:45:00 * * OM Bug 1335 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com Apr 10 06:45:02 * * Sometimes get wrong event from kerel when plug/unplug headset Apr 10 06:45:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1335 Apr 10 06:52:12 hi£¬i want to know £¬When Neo FreeRunner will be released£¬anynoe knows£¿ Apr 10 06:52:43 Nobody who's telling. Apr 10 06:54:21 sorry,i first come here,i havdn't change my nickname Apr 10 06:55:20 you can change your nick by entering /nick newnickname ... Apr 10 06:56:54 thank you,i have change it. Apr 10 06:57:18 do you have a neo1973? Apr 10 06:57:59 yes Apr 10 06:58:06 i saw new1973 yesterday,and i am very intrest it Apr 10 07:00:41 i want to buy FreeRunner , but maybe i will wait for a long time Apr 10 07:00:54 When it'll be out isn't clear. Apr 10 07:01:10 Hopefully it's ready in a few weeks Apr 10 07:01:13 The software certainly won't be end-user ready for maybe a year. Apr 10 07:02:09 a mazing! Apr 10 07:05:00 when neo1973 released? Apr 10 07:06:30 At the absolute minimum probably a month. Apr 10 07:06:44 Exactly when in reality is unknown. Apr 10 07:08:36 good morning Apr 10 07:12:18 when you buy neo1973? Apr 10 07:14:16 August? Back when it wasn't sold out. Apr 10 07:20:30 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r170 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (7 files): Temporary commit. Apr 10 07:29:12 Öйú Apr 10 07:33:14 if i broke software down , whether it can do recover to default state Apr 10 07:37:09 For freerunner. Apr 10 07:37:26 You can't make it unbootable - there is a backup kernel in protected flash Apr 10 07:40:14 well,you really a specialist Apr 10 07:40:21 kernel? isnt it just uboot? Apr 10 07:40:24 thank you for your help Apr 10 07:44:03 cbrake_away: As far as I understood it - it's a meg or two of flash. Apr 10 07:44:08 * SpeedEvil sighs. Apr 10 07:53:45 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r171 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (4 files): Rest of tests converted to use IPCInterface. Apr 10 10:02:48 mickey|zzZZzz, more clutter + webkit bling: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6260384783873521804 Apr 10 10:05:33 thos: Looking good :) Apr 10 10:06:20 yeah Apr 10 10:06:30 raster, will evas ever be able to do that? Apr 10 10:06:55 Hehe.. Sounds like a challenge.. ;) Apr 10 10:10:32 thos: nice Apr 10 10:10:38 thos: which ardware does this run on? Apr 10 10:10:58 Desktop? Apr 10 10:11:59 oh Apr 10 10:12:00 well Apr 10 10:12:34 mickeyl, any hardware with gl or gles of course Apr 10 10:12:39 right Apr 10 10:12:50 i can see clutter becoming very useful in the future Apr 10 10:12:56 just not today Apr 10 10:13:02 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r172 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (7 files): Refactored perform test function and modified tests to use it. Apr 10 10:13:05 [on the hardware we are working on] Apr 10 10:13:25 mickeyl, yeah, I just wish Dodji had time to complete the gles driver for glamo ... ;-) Apr 10 10:13:43 but that isn't going to happen, so oh well Apr 10 10:14:03 given the glamo trackrecord we would probably be disappointed ;) Apr 10 10:14:26 yes, well that would also be an issue Apr 10 10:14:38 if only it were sat on a faster bus.. Apr 10 10:14:55 mickeyl, did you see I cooked up a little "gta02 test app" in python yesterday? Apr 10 10:15:41 thos: yes, pretty cool. the accellerometers are pretty accurate, aren't they? Apr 10 10:16:12 well, I have no idea how to read the values, but they seem to have a good response time Apr 10 10:18:54 they can be configured to cover +- 2G or +-8G Apr 10 10:19:12 i guess kernel configures them right now to cover +-2G Apr 10 10:19:23 since that should be ok for most of the movements we are interested in Apr 10 10:24:55 mickeyl, do you know if there is an up to date toolchain available? Apr 10 10:25:01 mickeyl, I couldn't build one yesterday :-( Apr 10 10:25:08 mickeyl: no - not really Apr 10 10:25:39 mickeyl: they have very low resolution - maybe 3 degrees or so - if the model of accelerometer mentioned way back on the ML is accuratge Apr 10 10:25:57 There will be a very good response time Apr 10 10:26:12 On the order of a few hundred Hz. Apr 10 10:27:51 yeah, the hardware itself is capable of 400Hz Apr 10 10:28:19 thos: i tried to build one as well. How did it bail out for you? (QA issues?) Apr 10 10:28:50 mickeyl, yeah, problems with python-native Apr 10 10:29:05 I tried assume provided on python native, but it still didn't work Apr 10 10:29:10 hmm Apr 10 10:29:12 it had some QA issues over evas Apr 10 10:29:13 no problems with python here Apr 10 10:29:18 not sure if that was related Apr 10 10:29:23 QA issues w/ gdb-cross Apr 10 10:29:28 i'll investigate Apr 10 10:29:30 mickeyl, using mtn.om.org? Apr 10 10:29:35 no, org.oe.dev Apr 10 10:29:38 ah Apr 10 10:29:42 I was using org.om.dev Apr 10 10:29:50 might be slightly different through different execution order Apr 10 10:29:56 BB_MULTIPLE_THREADS makes a difference as well Apr 10 10:30:07 I ended up removing that just to be sure Apr 10 10:37:28 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4336 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: when headset in or out, send signal to dbus Apr 10 10:39:46 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4337 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/ (6 files): control audio state when headset in / out Apr 10 10:55:40 openmoko: 03thomas * r4338 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-contacts: theme: rename add detail widget name to be more generic Apr 10 11:01:01 * * OM Bug 1336 has been created by werner(AT)openmoko.org Apr 10 11:01:02 * * screen shifted and duplicated after resume in landscape mode Apr 10 11:01:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1336 Apr 10 11:26:23 openmoko: 03thomas * r4339 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/moko-history.c): (log message trimmed) Apr 10 11:26:23 openmoko: 2008-04-10 Thomas Wood Apr 10 11:26:23 openmoko: * src/dialer/moko-history.c: Apr 10 11:26:23 openmoko: (create_new_contact_from_number): Correct dialog button order to be Apr 10 11:26:23 openmoko: consistent with other applications Apr 10 11:26:27 openmoko: (add_number_to_contact): Set the initial selected group and remove Apr 10 11:26:29 openmoko: dialog separator. Apr 10 11:35:41 openmoko: 03thomas * r4340 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-save-number.c): (log message trimmed) Apr 10 11:35:41 openmoko: 2008-04-10 Thomas Wood Apr 10 11:35:41 openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.c: Apr 10 11:35:41 openmoko: (create_new_contact_from_number): Correct dialog button order to be Apr 10 11:35:43 openmoko: consistent with other applications Apr 10 11:35:47 openmoko: (add_number_to_contact): Set the initial selected group and remove Apr 10 11:35:49 openmoko: dialog separator. Apr 10 12:02:08 mickeyl: ping Apr 10 12:02:22 poing Apr 10 12:06:14 mickeyl: this is an obscure question, and pretty direct. Is there any way for me to know if my app is likely to be submitted? Apr 10 12:06:42 thos: yes. some guys are working on an evas backend for webkit in .br :) Apr 10 12:07:27 summatusmentis: I'm afraid not. the only thing i can say is that we have two proposals for odeviced, so not only are there a lot of submissions, but also yours compete directly against another one Apr 10 12:08:26 evas + webkit \o/ Apr 10 12:09:48 mickeyl: ok, the reason I ask: I also applied to OpenAFS to do some work on the kafs gpl portion of the Linux kernel. As such, the OpenAFS team(in order to for my app to work) would be working w/ RedHat w/in the next week to make sure things are functional on the RedHat end. I don't know if OAFS would approve my app through SoC, but they did say they are willing to hire me, regardless of SoC outcome. The issue is, they need to be Apr 10 12:09:48 working w/ RedHat soon, before the SoC deadline is up Apr 10 12:10:19 mickeyl: so I'm trying to balance working w/ OM, and potentially working w/ OpenAFS Apr 10 12:10:36 summatusmentis: that sounds like a good offer to me Apr 10 12:10:52 i would take this chance Apr 10 12:11:05 unfortunately i can not give a direct answer about the ranking, sorry Apr 10 12:11:52 summatusmentis: Having one option in your pocket and one open would make the decision clear to me. :) Apr 10 12:12:01 I assumed you couldn't. I know there's another app against mine, Sup3rkiddo and I were discussing them :) Apr 10 12:12:14 stefan_schmidt: you think I should go OAFS also? Apr 10 12:12:34 summatusmentis: Well, if you already have the offer. Go for it. Apr 10 12:12:48 summatusmentis: We can't tell you about the rankings. Apr 10 12:13:03 I know, but I figured it was worth asking Apr 10 12:13:07 summatusmentis: Also we don't know how many slots we will get Apr 10 12:13:23 summatusmentis: Sure, it's worth. Apr 10 12:13:24 josch: they're taking a bit of time on it - but it is on its way Apr 10 12:13:36 i talked with them on how to best make it happen when in .br Apr 10 12:13:39 for a bit Apr 10 12:13:42 there was a list released to mentors yesterday w/ a preliminary count. According to OAFS, OpenMoko received 10 Apr 10 12:14:03 summatusmentis: ups, we never got this list Apr 10 12:14:21 Google hates openmoko! Apr 10 12:14:22 :) Apr 10 12:14:26 SpeedEvil: heh Apr 10 12:14:51 summatusmentis: Pretty high number. Would be great thought. :) Apr 10 12:14:55 I see. As a student I don't know anything about it outside of what was mentioned in #gsoc, and by OAFS. I assume it was sent to the mentor mailing list Apr 10 12:15:23 summatusmentis: We need to dig this out. Thanks for the info. Apr 10 12:15:47 sure. How many unique projects were submitted(for OpenMoko)? Apr 10 12:15:51 summatusmentis: About your decision. Well, it is yours, but when I would have an offer and one open proposal... Apr 10 12:16:15 summatusmentis: ~45, more a guess Apr 10 12:16:29 stefan_schmidt: yeah, that logic makes sense to me. I just like OpenMoko more :) I feel like i"m further vested in OM Apr 10 12:16:38 (having OE background, etc.) Apr 10 12:17:40 hi Sup3rkiddo Apr 10 12:18:01 summatusmentis, hi Apr 10 12:18:30 summatusmentis, how goes, still "Ranking in progress"....? 2 weeks is making me cry Apr 10 12:19:06 Sup3rkiddo: yeah, I'm still at "Ranking in progress" also Apr 10 12:19:48 bbiab Apr 10 12:19:53 raster, great! i'm rly awaiting this implementation as rendering html is important for a lot of applications and the fact that those cannot be written with efl makes me sad :-( Apr 10 12:20:10 heheheh Apr 10 12:20:41 stefan_schmidt: Actually only you didn't get that info because you unsubscribed from the mentor's list ;-) Apr 10 12:20:45 josch, y0 Apr 10 12:20:51 But it's preliminary! Apr 10 12:21:34 alphaone: Well, after ~400 "I'm dude, working for foo" I switched to announce only. Apr 10 12:21:42 It means nothing, nada! It only means that our actual number will be LOWER than this!!! Apr 10 12:21:44 personnally i dont want to have gtk installed ONLY because i cant browse the web without it Apr 10 12:21:48 * stefan_schmidt wonders what the policy is about sending what to which ml Apr 10 12:22:15 Anyway, back to code. later guys Apr 10 12:22:32 Please get that, this number is bs. It will certainly change and it won't become higher. So don't worry about it now. Apr 10 12:23:30 alphaone: I think everybody got it now. ;) Apr 10 12:23:53 The reason is that quite a few projects have not entered their "we would like to have x slots" field so the few who did got what they asked for. Apr 10 12:24:02 Somewhere along the line. Apr 10 12:24:09 stefan_schmidt: I certainly hope so Apr 10 12:29:29 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r173 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Fixes in test and in sms stuff Apr 10 12:33:14 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r174 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Apr 10 12:33:14 freesmartphone.org: Minor fix in ipc_interface Apr 10 12:33:14 freesmartphone.org: Continued implementing phonebook interface and tests Apr 10 12:40:46 hi all Apr 10 12:41:06 does any one know when Neo FreeRunner will be released ? Apr 10 12:41:36 No. Apr 10 12:42:02 hehe Apr 10 12:42:21 step aside nothing to see here Apr 10 12:43:41 madel nobody knows sorry Apr 10 12:44:22 :( Apr 10 12:49:24 ~seen rwhitby Apr 10 12:49:27 rwhitby was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 7d 38m 3s ago, saying: 'slytherin: it's all 1's and 0's, so yes.'. Apr 10 12:49:35 urgh Apr 10 12:49:45 rwhitby is on vacation Apr 10 12:49:49 freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r175 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (modem_ui.py ui.py): Fixed modem_ui and ui to use DBusInterface Apr 10 12:49:50 at least one more week Apr 10 12:50:04 Darn Apr 10 12:51:14 any predictions on when one can buy the freerunner ? Apr 10 12:51:44 After the PVT tests :) Apr 10 12:52:02 and they are gonna end ? Apr 10 12:52:26 i'm really in the need of a new phone (more or less), and a openmoko phone would be my choice if possible Apr 10 12:52:43 so is it like one month, five months, three years ? Apr 10 12:54:57 A month sounds like a good estimate for the beginning of mass production. Two more weeks to build a few and then it should be available from the online store - that's my personal opinion, though delays (e.g. from shipping) can always occur, unfortunately Apr 10 13:01:44 * SpeedEvil votes for just putting them on ebay. Apr 10 13:03:12 * Gottox votes a olpc spinoff -> omph, on mobile per hacker. Apr 10 13:03:18 +e Apr 10 13:08:39 mickeyl: is there any way for students to know which projects OM is likely to be accepting, not specifically which student, but which project OM is interested in? Apr 10 13:10:58 nothing more than what was written on the wiki and the mailing lists Apr 10 13:11:34 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r176 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (gsmd_common.py ipc_interface.py): Minor test fixes Apr 10 13:11:36 ok, fair enough. This whole 'in the dark thing' is annoying :) Apr 10 13:12:12 summatusmentis, you are assuming something is actually happening at all ;-) Apr 10 13:12:43 thos, well, yes :D Apr 10 13:13:18 I often find the reason for no information is simply because nothing has happened Apr 10 13:13:33 well, the ranking process has always been like that Apr 10 13:13:42 whether that's good or bad is another sotry Apr 10 13:13:54 it's google's decision to keep the ranking private Apr 10 13:13:59 otherwise they would've made it public Apr 10 13:14:18 yeah, I can see why there would be reason to not tell students how the ranking process is going. It just causes your head to run in circles :) Apr 10 13:14:19 i don't think we as potential mentors are supposed to undermine this by telling stats Apr 10 13:15:19 people in #gsoc have said to ask your mentors, and that it's up to the org to make the decision, but I don't know if they mean ranking specifically, or just what the org thinks of your app Apr 10 13:15:54 not arguing w/ you mickeyl, just saying :-D Apr 10 13:17:18 sure. i see it as a safety mechanism. if i were to inform the 60 applicants about the stats all the time, i can as well go crazy Apr 10 13:17:29 not speaking about org's who get more applications Apr 10 13:17:34 *shrug* Apr 10 13:17:52 mickeyl, some student had a voice mail idea which I offered to mentor for Apr 10 13:17:56 yeah, makes sense Apr 10 13:18:11 mickeyl, stephan said I should apply to be a mentor, but I never got a response, so I guess that was deleted? Apr 10 13:20:02 thos: dunno which response you are expecting, but you are listed as mentor Apr 10 13:20:13 oh Apr 10 13:20:18 mickeyl, I have no idea how to log in then Apr 10 13:20:22 heh Apr 10 13:20:25 check google faqs Apr 10 13:20:26 or go to Apr 10 13:20:27 I thought i'd get an e-mail Apr 10 13:20:35 http://code.google.com/soc/2008/mentor_home.html Apr 10 13:21:03 eh, GSoC navigation is dire Apr 10 13:23:16 mickeyl: would it put a kink in OM's process right now if I went w/ the other option? Apr 10 13:23:34 not at all. like i said, it's a ton of applications and applicants Apr 10 13:23:53 do what feels best for ya Apr 10 13:24:31 alright. Are you likely to be around tomorrow around the time I first pinged you this morning? Apr 10 13:24:44 (no idea what TZ you're in) Apr 10 13:25:13 * gi-el hands summatusmentis a /CTCP time Apr 10 13:25:38 * mickeyl is in MET Apr 10 13:25:38 actually MET+dst Apr 10 13:25:44 it's 15:26, so to speak Apr 10 13:25:57 and no, i'll be away on friday without internet :) Apr 10 13:26:03 but i'll be here on weekend Apr 10 13:26:03 i think it's called CEST Apr 10 13:26:08 probably Apr 10 13:26:11 central european summer time Apr 10 13:27:03 I'll probably be gone friday too. I'll make a decision by then, and send you an email regarding my decision Apr 10 13:27:38 oki Apr 10 14:06:32 how feasible is it to run OpenMoko on a zaurus? Apr 10 14:08:29 openmoko: 03thomas * r4341 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (Makefile.am opkg.c): opkg: remove old opkg.c Apr 10 14:15:10 summatusmentis: On youtube there is a zaurus running the OM UI 2007.2 but the comments say its running the angstrom-distribution. IIRC that is built off openembedded also so I'm saying it seems like it is feasible. Apr 10 14:15:43 i have no idea /how/ feasible Apr 10 14:18:08 tomjoad: I just saw that. Angstrom and OM are both OE based, and I think they have pretty close code-bases Apr 10 14:18:38 I tried building OM for zaurus once, and I could never get the image to build completely Apr 10 14:18:50 does anyone have any updates on the GSoC selection process? (total number or applications, number of available slots etc) Apr 10 14:19:29 slot #s were preliminarily released to the mentors list yesterday. They are subject to change though Apr 10 14:19:44 I had heard that there were 10 slots, but I don't know how true that is Apr 10 14:19:49 mib_u5t3ci4u, stefan sent the status to the lists...no public word on #s afaik Apr 10 14:19:53 mib_u5t3ci4u: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015003.html Apr 10 14:20:10 there were 62 applications, 13 of which were for accelerometers Apr 10 14:21:09 2 for each axis! Apr 10 14:21:40 up,down,left,right,forward,back ? Apr 10 14:22:13 no - there are 2 3 axis - 6 axis Apr 10 14:22:20 looks like the motion gestures will get implemented Apr 10 14:25:10 SpeedEvil: oh, axis, not direction, hrr Apr 10 14:33:17 bye all Apr 10 14:45:36 openmoko: 03chris * r4342 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): Apr 10 14:45:36 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c Apr 10 14:45:36 openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb), Apr 10 14:45:36 openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_motion_notify_cb), Apr 10 14:45:36 openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_release_cb), (moko_finger_scroll_init): Apr 10 14:45:40 openmoko: Do check event type, but don't distinguish between single click and Apr 10 14:45:42 openmoko: double-click Apr 10 15:00:00 how do i know which OS my handset is using?? Apr 10 15:00:26 well, you could probably google for it heh Apr 10 15:00:58 CoreDump, hmm Apr 10 15:01:32 Does it bluescreen a lot? Apr 10 15:01:33 any idea of motorola SLVR L9 Apr 10 15:01:41 SpeedEvil: =D Apr 10 15:01:44 lol speedevil Apr 10 15:03:09 id imagine it is some proprietary OS which may allow some naff java apps to run on it Apr 10 15:04:27 zedstar, was that for me?? Apr 10 15:05:09 arvind yeh Apr 10 15:06:04 motorola did use linux in some models though Apr 10 15:06:09 zedstar, it uses P20K5 Apr 10 15:06:26 zedstar, is it linux by any chance?? Apr 10 15:06:46 not the L9 as i think i have that phone Apr 10 15:06:58 if you had bothered to google, you'd probably know by now ;) Apr 10 15:07:20 zedstar, hey we share a same phone Apr 10 15:07:38 zedstar, its some prop OS only Apr 10 15:07:44 arvind i draw the line at sharing bodily fluids tho Apr 10 15:08:46 zedstar, that wasnt funny Apr 10 15:10:34 theres gratitude for answering the question lol Apr 10 15:10:41 yay Apr 10 15:14:01 =) Apr 10 15:15:02 anyone able to make update lately? Apr 10 15:19:15 zedstar_: I thought it was funny ;-) Apr 10 15:20:07 wurp2 :) Apr 10 15:28:14 * summatusmentis tries an OM build for spitz Apr 10 15:28:26 oh, wrong channel Apr 10 15:30:01 anyone actually tried the iphone sdk? from what i gather the official sdk only allows u to run one application at a time and there is no interprocess communication (well no need if just one app runnning).... that seems pretty restrictive Apr 10 15:30:46 :P Apr 10 15:31:15 iphone sucks :D Apr 10 15:31:32 hmm Apr 10 15:32:44 zedstar_: I thought about it, but I don't have an iPhone, and likely never will Apr 10 15:33:00 zedstar_: If that is true then I would say that their *ability* to restrict you in that way clearly shows how "open" they are - not to mention their intentional crippling of the SDK. Apr 10 15:33:04 also, don't have any practical coding experience, so it'd be a waste of a downlaod for me :) Apr 10 15:33:53 yeh doesnt look very good for novel application development does it Apr 10 15:34:15 pyknite: You can't say iphone sucks when mickey is arount Apr 10 15:34:18 around Apr 10 15:34:27 That's his backup plan Apr 10 15:34:55 alphaone: don't understand :( Apr 10 15:35:30 alphaone: ...and *you* tell mickey to not blog about internals... you hypocrite, you! Apr 10 15:35:53 abraxa_: Was I blogging? ;-) Apr 10 15:35:54 grrr Apr 10 15:36:09 so much for keeping secrets :D Apr 10 15:36:30 * SpeedEvil ponders OM on iphone. Apr 10 15:36:41 lol Apr 10 15:46:57 hello :) Apr 10 15:47:33 Ahoy Apr 10 15:47:33 hi ccfly Apr 10 15:47:36 hi Apr 10 15:55:40 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4343 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/ (moko-headset.c moko-headset.h): forgot to svn add. add the missing files. Apr 10 16:02:52 Hi, I'm considering buying an openmoko phone so that I can send and receive text messages with scripts. Does anyone know if the openmoko phone sends out an AT+CMTI when a new sms message arrives? Apr 10 16:09:35 are there any docs that describe the SMS features for the neo phone? Apr 10 16:10:16 it's an 07.07 compliant modem Apr 10 16:10:32 so i'm sure you can make it send +cmti Apr 10 16:11:00 mickey|lunch: I thought emdete already has that working Apr 10 16:11:11 possible Apr 10 16:11:23 just that i have not seen this message arrive "personally" yet Apr 10 16:11:39 He said something about pygsmd notifying his app on incoming SMS Apr 10 16:15:42 I live in USA. what phone should I buy? Apr 10 16:15:49 I have a spare sim card. Apr 10 16:15:56 and plan to use it just for hacking. Apr 10 16:17:21 if you're prepared to deal with alpha software, wait until the Neo FreeRunner hits the market Apr 10 16:17:23 very soon Apr 10 16:17:55 mickey|lunch: and if I need something slightly more stable? Apr 10 16:17:59 "very soon"? have there been any updates lately? Apr 10 16:18:14 * SpeedEvil guesses mickey|lunch has insider info. Apr 10 16:18:29 mw-home: then you might want to grab an EZX phone Apr 10 16:18:33 oh, wiki page was just updated Apr 10 16:18:47 EZX? Apr 10 16:19:15 a1200 Apr 10 16:19:20 razr Apr 10 16:19:22 etc. Apr 10 16:19:32 they come with a working but outdated and dull OS from the start Apr 10 16:19:43 but they are hackable to varying degrees Apr 10 16:21:48 where to buy? ebay? Apr 10 16:22:18 mw-home https://direct.openmoko.com/ when its finally ready Apr 10 16:26:42 anyone having problems with make update? Apr 10 16:27:02 tells me connection refused when it tries to connect to monotone server Apr 10 16:28:00 Yeah, others have it as well Apr 10 16:28:28 oh ..ok Apr 10 16:57:34 hi all Apr 10 16:57:42 hello Apr 10 16:57:59 ciao Apr 10 16:59:51 hola Apr 10 17:02:32 ugh... figures, the one day I don't read the entire article, noone comes to class :/ Apr 10 17:03:05 summatusmentis, ola Apr 10 17:03:34 hey Sup3rkiddo Apr 10 17:04:28 Someone was asking me about making a dialer image for them to use with an old-time pulse dialer... Apr 10 17:04:33 josch: you, maybe? Apr 10 17:04:56 Anyway, I just wanted to say I haven't forgotten about it - I have one layer done; the other two are in progress Apr 10 17:04:59 wurp2: I want it too :D Apr 10 17:05:06 that would be awesome Apr 10 17:05:22 Of course, the one layer I have done is the tab by itself :-) Apr 10 17:30:28 Any lispers in here? I'd like to go OT to ask a (probably simple) lisp question Apr 10 17:32:36 wurp2, no :D Apr 10 17:32:43 :-) Apr 10 17:44:05 wurp2 what's the question....not a lisp person but scheme is close enough :) Apr 10 17:45:36 (lisp(is(fun))) Apr 10 17:45:50 reminds me of onions for strange reasons Apr 10 17:46:28 (what(are(you(talking)(about)))) Apr 10 17:46:55 ugh... haet @ scheme Apr 10 17:47:09 (this(is(getting)(lame))) Apr 10 17:51:32 Sup3rkiddo: I've got a lisp course ... I don't feel like it Apr 10 17:51:37 logic programming is so ... doh Apr 10 17:51:47 I'm not that smart Apr 10 17:52:38 too bad i dont have any Lisp as part of my course Apr 10 17:54:27 dont bother with a course read this http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ Apr 10 17:54:43 and begin your path to enlightenment ;) Apr 10 17:55:18 you Lisp/Scheme people are weird :) Apr 10 17:55:37 I just don't get it Apr 10 17:56:07 actually i found that book a bit too academic but if u understand that u can pass a google interview anyway lol Apr 10 17:56:10 zedstar_: I have to study for the course anyways :-D ... can't fail this one Apr 10 17:56:22 hehe Apr 10 17:56:38 summatusmentis, paranthesis are good Apr 10 17:56:56 Sup3rkiddo: how are you studying lisp ? Apr 10 17:57:05 bbl Apr 10 17:57:10 zedstar_, i hate to admit it, i went wtf after 20 pages of sicp Apr 10 17:57:19 i couldnt understand it Apr 10 17:57:34 sup3rkiddo yeh that is ok me too really Apr 10 17:57:36 CVirus, i just read some from SICP, thats all Apr 10 17:57:47 i sometimes go back and look at stuff and try and understand Apr 10 17:57:55 any other suggestions ? Apr 10 17:57:55 but python.. Apr 10 17:57:58 ..is sweet Apr 10 17:57:59 python rocks Apr 10 17:58:06 hail python Apr 10 17:58:36 all hail Apr 10 17:58:44 no Apr 10 17:58:59 if u wanna learn practically then http://www.scheme.com/tspl3/ is much easier i think Apr 10 18:00:00 zedstar_: thanks alot Apr 10 18:00:33 plus u can install the scheme intrepreter ipkg i made and try it out live on your phone Apr 10 18:01:38 scheme is designed to be minimal so only has one shared library thats it (in chicken scheme) good for embedded stuff Apr 10 18:04:01 Question for the assembled masses: anyone ELSE having trouble building openmoko-alsa-scenarios? Apr 10 18:04:16 It's failing during the fetch stage -- for some reason it's trying to get SVNR1 Apr 10 18:04:35 And the real SVN revision is 43XX, obviously Apr 10 18:05:12 I am using AUTOREV and have confirmed that that package is in the autorev file. Apr 10 18:05:18 All other packages seem OK. Apr 10 18:05:39 It has been failing for a couple of days. Apr 10 18:30:06 Oh noes! I broke teh channel! Apr 10 18:31:05 boo :( Apr 10 18:31:58 wurp2, retro phone? \o/ Apr 10 18:32:44 quicksand, nooo... not again! :-D Apr 10 18:33:13 wurp2, ping pong! Apr 10 18:33:20 * josch wants steampunk phone! Apr 10 19:00:38 josch: Here now Apr 10 19:01:11 \o/ Apr 10 19:01:59 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:23 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:30 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:32 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:38 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:40 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:42 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:44 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:46 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:47 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:50 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:51 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:54 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:55 \o/ Apr 10 19:02:57 /o\ Apr 10 19:02:57 \\o Apr 10 19:02:58 \o/ Apr 10 19:03:01 nooo! Apr 10 19:03:02 o// Apr 10 19:03:05 nooo :( Apr 10 19:03:08 :( Apr 10 19:03:15 evil combo breaker :(( Apr 10 19:03:30 this was going to be the loooongest combo ever on irc! Apr 10 19:04:16 josch, btw, you know us as the openmoko community have made a decision Apr 10 19:04:24 you cannot give the camisole to your girlfried Apr 10 19:04:35 hahahaha Apr 10 19:04:37 you have to wear it yourself :p Apr 10 19:04:44 of course... :P Apr 10 19:05:05 * abraxa_ ties cb22 up Apr 10 19:05:10 hawt Apr 10 19:05:13 josch, you didn't hear anything. Apr 10 19:05:23 mmmfmmfmmfmfm Apr 10 19:05:23 what's the safe word, so I know when to intervene? Apr 10 19:06:20 help me!!! Apr 10 19:06:23 There's none. He's tied up until I get to see josch's g/f in the shirt. Apr 10 19:06:31 I don't think i like where this is going Apr 10 19:06:37 or, in fact, where it has been... Apr 10 19:06:52 I notice the topic has changed to say that the freerunner will be released at "some time" Apr 10 19:06:52 lololol Apr 10 19:07:01 does this mean soon or not so soon now? Apr 10 19:07:01 * cb22 activates the laser cutter he has built into his spy version of the freerunner Apr 10 19:07:07 do we know anything new? Apr 10 19:07:12 ajbrun, no Apr 10 19:07:14 nothing Apr 10 19:07:16 k Apr 10 19:07:24 PVT 1/ 3 done Apr 10 19:07:51 what's pvt again? Apr 10 19:07:53 We know that Mickey said "very soon" to someone earlier about when it would be out Apr 10 19:07:56 or something close to that Apr 10 19:07:59 product validation... Apr 10 19:08:01 product verification testing Apr 10 19:08:02 production verification testing Apr 10 19:08:02 no.. Apr 10 19:08:04 ah! Apr 10 19:08:13 oops Apr 10 19:08:21 finding ways to improve production yield & reduce costs, I presume Apr 10 19:08:25 well "very soon" is good anyway :) Apr 10 19:08:48 ajbrun, he changed it 'cause EVERY MINUTE someone was asking about it... Apr 10 19:08:56 lol Apr 10 19:09:02 i only ask when it changes :p Apr 10 19:09:22 how long did it take for PVT 1 to happen? Apr 10 19:10:00 we think 20 days or so Apr 10 19:10:16 ah, so not april anymore then ;) Apr 10 19:10:54 hrm.. then the topic should be changed to may? Apr 10 19:11:05 josch - no point imo Apr 10 19:11:15 that's a shame Apr 10 19:11:19 it's been december, march, april and now may? Apr 10 19:11:34 putting a date don't mean anything anymore Apr 10 19:11:47 ajbrun: at least the intervals ar getting shorter Apr 10 19:11:49 *are Apr 10 19:11:59 except that we had no idea last time... now we've got a sort of timeline Apr 10 19:12:20 hehe Apr 10 19:12:48 * josch is happy that he bought a gta01 last year and didnt wait when they said that it would be released for christmas Apr 10 19:13:08 josch: is it a usable phone? Apr 10 19:13:12 or... nvm Apr 10 19:13:14 lololol Apr 10 19:13:16 usable Apr 10 19:13:20 are you kidding?? Apr 10 19:13:22 but.. Apr 10 19:13:27 will it be usable when software is there? Apr 10 19:13:30 i hear of people actually using it Apr 10 19:13:40 it's all about the software Apr 10 19:13:49 if the software is there then no problem Apr 10 19:13:53 but there's nothing wrong w/ the handsets Apr 10 19:13:54 if i buy a europe type phone with whatever bandwidth we have here, what parts of the phone won't work in the US? Apr 10 19:13:58 just calls? Apr 10 19:14:05 texts/interweb? Apr 10 19:14:14 but for me it will certainly never be a phone - i hack too much on it :P Apr 10 19:14:22 it's broken every two days Apr 10 19:14:26 lol Apr 10 19:14:30 and reflashed every week Apr 10 19:14:35 get a dialer working on debian :p Apr 10 19:15:28 ajbrun, in some parts of the usa you simply dont have the 900mhz band for gsm - so no phone, sms, gprs... Apr 10 19:15:49 so only wifi would work? Apr 10 19:16:11 in -some- parts Apr 10 19:16:17 planning on getting one and taking it to america (assuming it's out for july) Apr 10 19:16:39 no gsm, gprs in "some" parts Apr 10 19:16:46 ajbrun: you're planning ahead... Apr 10 19:17:07 oh, i was under the imression that the whole of the US used the same bandwidth, so i guess the europe type phone may work in parts then Apr 10 19:17:07 ajbrun: most people don't plan on trips 18months in the future Apr 10 19:17:09 :) Apr 10 19:17:15 wibbit_ - i know Apr 10 19:17:20 july isn't 18 months away Apr 10 19:17:34 you're right Apr 10 19:17:36 15 months Apr 10 19:17:38 i just like to know what i should expect Apr 10 19:17:45 3 months Apr 10 19:17:59 expect 15 :) Apr 10 19:18:05 ? Apr 10 19:18:23 months Apr 10 19:18:24 lol Apr 10 19:18:33 no - i'm definatly going in 3 Apr 10 19:18:55 no no, 15 months, if you're expecting to be carying a freerunner withyou, it's certainly 2009 Apr 10 19:19:00 check your calendar Apr 10 19:19:06 LOL Apr 10 19:19:43 FreeRunner sounds like the latest in car technology ... the fastest automobile ever .. that's it's taking them years to release it Apr 10 19:19:49 that's why* Apr 10 19:20:03 CVirus: that's because their having issues catching it Apr 10 19:20:11 catching it ? Apr 10 19:20:14 CVirus: just wait what kind of custom cases some people will build :P Apr 10 19:20:16 the phone Apr 10 19:20:18 ah okay .. didn't get the joke Apr 10 19:20:19 it's too quick Apr 10 19:20:21 hehe Apr 10 19:20:31 wibbit_ - you're talking mass market release i assume? Apr 10 19:22:03 I'm sure the FreeRunner hardware won't be out before 6-9 months Apr 10 19:22:29 ajbrun: Euro GSM phones will work near major metropolitan areas, usually on t-mobile's network. You will not have service outside of those large population centers. You *may* find service along major highways as well. Apr 10 19:22:46 k - thanks :) Apr 10 19:23:42 The problem is that low-density areas are served by the lower-frequency band (better coverage for the signal), but europe uses 900 for that, which is in use by other things in North America -- so its 850 in NA. Apr 10 19:24:03 oh right, I forgot 1973 doesn't do 850Mhz Apr 10 19:24:20 Triband phones only have one or the other, but not both, 850 and 900. Apr 10 19:24:46 hey, does anybody has problems with building openmoko? Apr 10 19:24:59 i'm getting the following error: Apr 10 19:25:15 uhm Apr 10 19:25:15 The problem is compounded in Canada, as it seems that Rogers requires that the phones use *both* high and low bands when connecting to the network, so you have no service at all in Canada with a phone that cannot do 850. Apr 10 19:25:21 mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org mtn: network error: failed to connect: Verbinding is geweigerd Apr 10 19:25:27 will someone please untie me from abraxa_'s chair? Apr 10 19:25:29 please? Apr 10 19:25:45 anyone? Apr 10 19:26:44 No. Apr 10 19:26:54 cb22: what you tied down with? Apr 10 19:26:57 Any thing edible? Apr 10 19:26:57 And who said you're on a chair? Apr 10 19:26:59 summatusmentis_: I use my 01 as my primary cell phone Apr 10 19:27:10 wurp2: battery ? Apr 10 19:27:24 CVirus: I'm almost never away from a PC for more than 4 hours Apr 10 19:27:29 I see Apr 10 19:27:30 wurp2: I was thinking about purchasing an 01 when freerunner came out, but it doesn't support 850Mhz, which is crucial Apr 10 19:27:37 CVirus: Except at home, and I just leave the phone at the pc Apr 10 19:27:40 uh oh Apr 10 19:27:49 summatusmentis: If you're not in a metro area, it is Apr 10 19:27:54 * cb22 notices abraxa_ standing in the corner holding a meat cleaver Apr 10 19:27:55 hai Apr 10 19:28:01 hi?? Apr 10 19:28:09 summatusmentis: For me, no 850 has been no problem so far Apr 10 19:28:09 wurp2: I go to school in a town of 5k, when the college is in session Apr 10 19:28:13 hai, can i has stdio ? Apr 10 19:28:23 cb22: Don't look at me. Make josch help you. Apr 10 19:28:33 hum? Apr 10 19:28:37 stdio?? Apr 10 19:28:46 whazz that?? Apr 10 19:29:02 josch, help!!111111!!!11!!!1!!1!!! Apr 10 19:29:04 CVirus, hey cool give us moar lolcat! Apr 10 19:29:04 standard input output, I assume CVirus is referencing LOLCODE Apr 10 19:29:13 true Apr 10 19:29:23 um in yur loop, upping yur vars Apr 10 19:29:23 i can haz freedom plz? Apr 10 19:29:24 ROFL Apr 10 19:29:25 cb22, ha! you who threatened me with wearing girls stuff! Apr 10 19:29:34 anyone know about esetnod32?? Apr 10 19:29:38 .oO(Touche) Apr 10 19:29:39 pls help me Apr 10 19:29:48 duda: What about it? Apr 10 19:29:59 i want to instal it Apr 10 19:30:01 whats esetnod32?? Apr 10 19:30:12 IN MAI escape GIMME freedom Apr 10 19:30:12 but dont have the right serial Apr 10 19:30:21 ROFL Apr 10 19:30:21 -____- Apr 10 19:30:25 duda: You want to install what where? Apr 10 19:30:26 its antivirus Apr 10 19:30:30 mickey|sports: FWIW, google is supposed to be releasing the second round of allocations tomorrow Apr 10 19:30:32 in my pc Apr 10 19:30:41 i'm upin ur moko channel asking about virus Apr 10 19:30:42 duda linux has no viruses - so dont bother Apr 10 19:30:45 duda: I think you're in the wrong room Apr 10 19:30:47 echo "troll off" > duda Apr 10 19:30:50 ups Apr 10 19:30:56 is it linux?? Apr 10 19:31:04 iam newbie Apr 10 19:31:06 hehe Apr 10 19:31:06 ROFL Apr 10 19:31:07 hehe Apr 10 19:31:09 sory guys Apr 10 19:31:14 this evening is great Apr 10 19:31:20 I wonder how did you get here Apr 10 19:31:25 hehhe Apr 10 19:31:30 just install opera Apr 10 19:31:34 then click chat Apr 10 19:31:41 and here i am Apr 10 19:31:43 somebody who can help with my 'make setup' problem? Apr 10 19:31:47 am i bother u guys/?? Apr 10 19:31:51 opera doesn't default to #openmoko Apr 10 19:31:56 sory 4 that Apr 10 19:32:03 yups Apr 10 19:32:04 duda, /join #2,000 Apr 10 19:32:11 they can help there Apr 10 19:32:17 duda: You're not bothering me... /ignore duda Apr 10 19:32:20 just random click i think Apr 10 19:32:23 * cb22 wonders if it works on opera :p Apr 10 19:32:35 nooooo Apr 10 19:32:53 so??ur guys using linux ?? Apr 10 19:32:57 duda: Well, NOD32 requires a serial number to do updates - so even if you use an illegal serial number it won't get you very far :) Apr 10 19:33:10 is it?? Apr 10 19:33:14 ooohh.. Apr 10 19:33:20 i am using avg now Apr 10 19:33:22 is it good Apr 10 19:33:24 That's good Apr 10 19:33:44 is this room for linux user?? Apr 10 19:33:52 r u guys using linux?? Apr 10 19:33:52 duda, yepp Apr 10 19:34:01 duda, openmoko is a linux distribution Apr 10 19:34:05 Well... most here do use linux, yeah Apr 10 19:34:07 hello everybody :) Apr 10 19:34:18 i never know linux Apr 10 19:34:18 OH NOES Apr 10 19:34:21 cb22: haet!!! Apr 10 19:34:23 Dr Scream! Apr 10 19:34:28 * josch didnt bother for any viruses the past five years Apr 10 19:34:32 just windows xp Apr 10 19:34:34 heheh Apr 10 19:34:43 where do i find linux?? Apr 10 19:34:46 sinner! Apr 10 19:34:48 debian.org Apr 10 19:34:49 I USE FREEBSD!!1111!!!!! Apr 10 19:34:53 hehe Apr 10 19:34:59 why the fish are you guys feeding the troll ? Apr 10 19:35:01 ubuntu tbh Apr 10 19:35:05 freedos ftw Apr 10 19:35:05 freebsd > linux Apr 10 19:35:07 man I last used Windows ... almost nine years ago Apr 10 19:35:08 * abraxa_ tickles cb22 - quiet, you. Apr 10 19:35:09 CVirus, because its fun! Apr 10 19:35:09 fuck I'm getting old Apr 10 19:35:10 debian.org?? Apr 10 19:35:18 duda: fuck off Apr 10 19:35:30 * cb22 feeds duda Apr 10 19:35:32 CVirus: Benefit of the doubt Apr 10 19:35:40 * josch spares some cookies for himself Apr 10 19:35:48 unknown_lamer: Ha! Apr 10 19:35:51 let me see debian.org Apr 10 19:35:51 * josch feets cb22 with them Apr 10 19:35:51 tx Apr 10 19:36:07 abraxa_, unless you are hot, a girl, and between the ages of 15-18, you have no right tickling me :p Apr 10 19:36:26 cb22: Fine. *gets his wife to do it* Apr 10 19:36:31 cb22, then maybe my girlfriend meets your requirements? Apr 10 19:36:38 god damn youngins Apr 10 19:36:43 josch, are you a pedo :p Apr 10 19:36:44 unknown_lamer: Offtopic lisp question: does lisp parse the unquote operators separately (e.g. ,,@) or does it just define a crapload of them - e.g. defining , ,@ ,,@ ,,,@ etc. Apr 10 19:36:53 abraxa_, you too :p Apr 10 19:37:07 cb22: how old are you? Apr 10 19:37:07 cb22, http://pedotest.com/ Apr 10 19:37:09 wurp2: , and ,@ are reader macros so they are each parsed individually as it reaches them Apr 10 19:37:11 cb22: My wife's 25 but meets the other requirements just fine Apr 10 19:37:16 summatusmentis, 17 Apr 10 19:37:22 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r177 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Apr 10 19:37:22 freesmartphone.org: Move to use session bus Apr 10 19:37:22 freesmartphone.org: Refactor tests so that the weird process spawn problem goes away Apr 10 19:37:27 oh wow, here I thought I was young Apr 10 19:37:34 hehe Apr 10 19:37:44 15? that's a tad young for a 17 year old... Apr 10 19:37:46 * josch thought so too... :-/ Apr 10 19:37:47 unknown_lamer: but I see ,,@ being used. Defining each of those character combos sounds stupid, but I can't see how normal lisp parsing would see them separately Apr 10 19:37:50 also illegal in a lot of states Apr 10 19:37:57 cb22: what do you study ? Apr 10 19:38:03 summatusmentis, well here in south africa... Apr 10 19:38:14 lol, ok, no illegality, but still Apr 10 19:38:19 wurp2: the reader looks for , then sees if it is followed by @ and if not does a normal dequote Apr 10 19:38:19 summatusmentis, http://xkcd.com/314/ Apr 10 19:38:23 its illegal to even kiss someone below 16 :( Apr 10 19:38:29 is it? Apr 10 19:38:38 17 and 15 is not illegal in most of the US Apr 10 19:38:39 summatusmentis, josch: AFAIK there is no law about being tickled, regardless of age of tickler or ticklee Apr 10 19:38:54 hehe Apr 10 19:39:00 Thank you, wurp2. Apr 10 19:39:04 wurp2: fair enough Apr 10 19:39:14 summatusmentis, just turned 17 Apr 10 19:39:16 unknown_lamer: Oh, so it's not treated like regular identifiers - it's a special case Apr 10 19:39:17 unknown_lamer: yeah it is, age of consent is usually 16 Apr 10 19:39:19 so 15 is still fine :p Apr 10 19:39:22 cb22: what do you study ? Apr 10 19:39:32 CVirus, still in high school Apr 10 19:39:40 summatusmentis: there is generally a +/- 2 or 3 years provision Apr 10 19:39:44 josch: as much as I take the word of xkcd as absolute truth, but I'm not sure I'm agreeing w/ that Apr 10 19:39:53 :P Apr 10 19:40:01 unknown_lamer: yes, but doesn't age of consent trump? Apr 10 19:40:04 wurp2: sort of -- it is a reader macro Apr 10 19:40:20 summatusmentis: no the age of consent laws are qualified by the +/- 2 or 3 years Apr 10 19:40:26 unknown_lamer: Ah, I dunno nothing about reader macros. I'll read up. Thanks! Apr 10 19:40:36 hmm, I I guess i'm confused Apr 10 19:40:50 unknown_lamer: That seems the only sane way to deal with it. I wasn't aware the laws on that were sane, though. Apr 10 19:40:55 wurp2: reader macros are nice you can use them to create all sorts of neat syntax extensions (e.g. CLSQL uses [] to delimit SQL expression and stuff) Apr 10 19:41:42 unknown_lamer: I was under the impression that 17 and 15 would not be allowed, but 16 and 18 would be Apr 10 19:41:51 because 15 would be under the 16 year cut off Apr 10 19:41:51 * cb22 notes that it is illegal for him to kiss his girlfriend Apr 10 19:42:02 pwned tbh Apr 10 19:42:08 cb22: good luck kissing her when you're tied to a chair Apr 10 19:42:09 am I in /b/ ? Apr 10 19:42:16 summatusmentis: nope you ought to read these laws for your state they might be important to know :-) Apr 10 19:42:16 CVirus, hahaha Apr 10 19:42:19 CVirus: don't you wish you were? Apr 10 19:42:19 desu? Apr 10 19:42:22 17 ? 15 ? Apr 10 19:42:31 summatusmentis: It sounds as if the +/- 2 year loophole is to avoid the idiotic case of people with one day difference in age being illegal Apr 10 19:42:32 I'll pretend you said 18 :-p Apr 10 19:42:41 unknown_lamer: I'm 19, and I have a sister who's 16, anyone closer in age to her than me creeps me out Apr 10 19:42:47 (and the idiotic case of 2 yr difference) Apr 10 19:43:00 summatusmentis: you want to talk about weird -- the girl I'm kind of dating now is one day older than my sister Apr 10 19:43:06 my gf is 1 year 1 day younger then me Apr 10 19:43:09 isn't that really awkward? Apr 10 19:43:09 exactly Apr 10 19:43:29 eh, i cant count Apr 10 19:43:40 summatusmentis: I don't get why that would be awkward Apr 10 19:43:56 wurp2: I don't know, I feel like it'd be awkward for me Apr 10 19:44:05 summatusmentis: If you had one sister one year older than you, and one one year younger, would you only date ppl within 1 yr of your age? Apr 10 19:44:05 maybe other people feel differently Apr 10 19:44:14 summatusmentis: Of course, some of that comes from me being old ;-) Apr 10 19:44:22 wurp2: at my age, yes Apr 10 19:44:26 * cb22 laffs at the older people Apr 10 19:44:29 summatusmentis: A 1 year difference is nothing percentage-wise for me ;-) Apr 10 19:44:36 lol Apr 10 19:45:15 bah this talk has reminded me that I need to get my beard trimmed lest there be complaints Apr 10 19:45:22 heh Apr 10 19:45:43 /b/ is now in session Apr 10 19:45:58 please no, I don't like 4chan Apr 10 19:46:11 why in my day we read k5 are were happy Apr 10 19:46:20 never seen so many beards in one room until last night when i was at the london unix user group meeting lol Apr 10 19:46:29 lol Apr 10 19:46:32 haha Apr 10 19:46:35 you also had to walk backward uphill in a snowstorm, unknown_lamer Apr 10 19:46:46 hehe Apr 10 19:46:55 so 'your day' is outdated, stick w/ the times Apr 10 19:47:13 we don't have hills anymore :-D Apr 10 19:47:39 but I like climbing hills :-( Apr 10 19:47:56 Unless you have a wizard beard like me you are not allowed to cast mountains from the face of the Earth Apr 10 19:47:59 unknown_lamer: I remember you from k5 ;-) Apr 10 19:48:03 the only hills here are the proverbial ones Apr 10 19:48:11 wurp2: ! Apr 10 19:48:34 kk Apr 10 19:48:38 bye guys Apr 10 19:48:42 c ya round Apr 10 19:48:47 toodles Apr 10 19:48:54 ciao ciao Apr 10 19:48:58 unknown_lamer: I don't remember anything specific, just the nym Apr 10 19:49:09 ah good I was a bit ... lame back in the day Apr 10 19:49:16 heh Apr 10 19:50:22 * summatusmentis is still lame Apr 10 19:50:45 summatusmentis: the solution is to grow a beard, get a bicycle, and drink 9% double IPAs Apr 10 19:50:52 and learn Common Lisp Apr 10 19:50:57 I can't grow a beard... :-P Apr 10 19:51:04 or maybe SML if you want to be current with modern trends Apr 10 19:51:11 (((((((((((((((((((((you can)))))))))))))))))))))))))) Apr 10 19:51:35 cb22: tsk tsk five too many closing parens Apr 10 19:51:57 does it matter in the bigger SCHEME of things? Apr 10 19:52:00 :p Apr 10 19:52:02 hur hur Apr 10 19:52:11 * mwester was playing with UNIX back when dirt was first invented, he's so old. Apr 10 19:52:31 * cb22 has used freebsd for 6 years Apr 10 19:52:33 we don't have dirt anymore either Apr 10 19:52:33 * zedstar_ is pretty old but acts like a kid Apr 10 19:52:42 Not proper dirt, anyway! Apr 10 19:52:55 dirt is so 2 years ago, seriously Apr 10 19:52:59 Why, I remember dirt. When I was young... Apr 10 19:52:59 summatusmentis: you might want to wander in the woods for a while as I'm pretty sure these things still exist Apr 10 19:52:59 freebsd would be great if it used the right license Apr 10 19:53:09 man dirt Apr 10 19:53:13 * cb22 sighs Apr 10 19:53:13 unknown_lamer: woods? I don't think we have those either Apr 10 19:53:23 wurp2, oooh, licence flamewar,go go go!!! Apr 10 19:53:28 my oh my things have changed since yesterday Apr 10 19:53:40 does this mean my hiking adventure with the sort-of-woman are going to fail this weekend? Apr 10 19:53:50 sort-of-woman? Apr 10 19:54:02 cb22: Nah, that's all I had to say about that. I just wanted to see who'd bite ;-) Apr 10 19:54:15 woods? O let me tell you about the woods when I was young. We used to have to carry pointy sticks to fight off the wolves in the woods on our way to school when I was young... uphill of course. Both ways. Apr 10 19:54:24 wurp2, too many gpl lovers in here for that... Apr 10 19:54:31 was there snow grampy mwester? Apr 10 19:54:37 gpl is evil!!1111!!! Apr 10 19:54:38 I have an amusingly depressing situation with a female (I like you -- I like you too -- I am afraid of dating touching is scary anxiety anxiety rabble rabble etc) Apr 10 19:54:57 Oh let me tell you about the snow! We had proper snow back then, not like this stuff now-a-days... Apr 10 19:55:03 oh, which of you is afraid of dating/touching being scary? Apr 10 19:55:13 * cb22 likes his situation Apr 10 19:55:19 * josch too Apr 10 19:55:22 grampy mwester: tell me more about snow!! Apr 10 19:55:36 guy> i like you. girl> i like you too. guy> lets make out. girl> sure Apr 10 19:55:44 cb22, makes himself comfortable just beside cb22 's chair Apr 10 19:55:51 cb22: hey there was let's make out before oh no I have emotional problems Apr 10 19:56:12 or the oh wait i'm 17 and pregnant :/ Apr 10 19:56:13 http://xkcd.com/300/ Apr 10 19:56:49 * josch ist neither 17 nor pregnant :-D Apr 10 19:57:00 unknown_lamer: well, you at least see your sort-of-woman, so that's one up on me :) Apr 10 19:57:09 josch: me neither, imagine that Apr 10 19:57:19 * josch imagines that Apr 10 19:57:27 lol Apr 10 19:57:29 josch, i've never seen a 17 year old pregnant man O-o Apr 10 19:57:43 summatusmentis: maybe sometimes nothing is better than j;lsdjf;ldsjf;ljdsfwtf Apr 10 19:58:06 unknown_lamer: perhaps. Apr 10 19:58:10 it distracts me from programming and whatnot and is generally keeping me from being as productive as I ought to be Apr 10 19:58:22 women in general do that :) Apr 10 19:58:30 seconded Apr 10 19:58:40 wait til u have kids! Apr 10 19:58:49 * summatusmentis is NEVER having kdis Apr 10 19:58:52 zedstar_: Hehe.. Don't scare us too much Apr 10 19:58:56 me neither Apr 10 19:58:56 zedstar_, what for should i ever have those?? :P Apr 10 19:58:59 my wife can have the kids Apr 10 19:59:10 right Apr 10 19:59:19 absurd... Apr 10 19:59:24 me and having kids... Apr 10 19:59:25 hunh uh... no kids Apr 10 19:59:39 did you ever see a 20 your old pregnant josch? Apr 10 19:59:43 umm. now. what does this have to do with openmoko? :) Apr 10 19:59:54 we're just talking about future customers Apr 10 19:59:59 right Apr 10 20:00:00 hehe Apr 10 20:00:03 suuure. Apr 10 20:00:07 about customer production Apr 10 20:00:10 WHAT? GET OFF MY LAWN! Apr 10 20:00:13 Ganneff: with the openmoko you can phone with the 20 your old pregnant josch :P Apr 10 20:00:17 we are in alpha stage atm Apr 10 20:00:21 Ganneff: Openmoko makes you happy! You're so busy with it that you won't reproduce! Apr 10 20:00:26 now, talk about them elsewhere. please. Apr 10 20:00:28 thanks. Apr 10 20:00:53 (or talk about an actual openmoko thing, thats also fine :) ) Apr 10 20:01:08 i'm sure everybody here would shut up if a serious question occurs - right guys? Apr 10 20:01:09 Ganneff, how do you think this started Apr 10 20:01:12 Mucking about the eabi spec looking up information on the stack layout and whatnot made me forget to call the sort-of-woman Apr 10 20:01:28 cb22, it started with... Apr 10 20:01:30 \o/ Apr 10 20:01:30 we are talking about josch's girlfriend wearing an om camisole :p Apr 10 20:01:37 Who needs a sort-of-woman when you can hack ARM assembly and port a Lisp system! Apr 10 20:01:45 boo Apr 10 20:01:54 that was like a monobo Apr 10 20:02:42 unknown_lamer: What's a sort-of-woman? Apr 10 20:02:50 a pre-op :p? Apr 10 20:02:52 abraxa_, he explained above Apr 10 20:02:56 Ist Josch Deutchlander? Apr 10 20:03:01 wurp2, -.- Apr 10 20:03:01 cb22 lol Apr 10 20:03:19 wurp2: keine duetsch!! Apr 10 20:03:20 josch: "above" is like... so many lines up I'd think it was yesterday Apr 10 20:03:25 I notice a fair # of ppl in here have the typo of occasionally adding a 't' to 'is' Apr 10 20:03:29 wurp2, Deutschländer is a special brand of sausages Apr 10 20:03:34 awesome Apr 10 20:03:45 tasty Apr 10 20:03:50 wurp2, oh... ^^ Apr 10 20:04:01 bratwurst ftw Apr 10 20:04:04 oh geez, one semester of german, and i can't even spell deutsch correctly Apr 10 20:04:16 So what's the German word for a German person? Apr 10 20:04:27 frankfurtur Apr 10 20:04:33 Deutscher (masculine) or Deutsche (feminine) Apr 10 20:04:33 * cb22 has a hot german friend Apr 10 20:04:34 abraxa_: explained above to summatusmentis Apr 10 20:04:39 hehe Apr 10 20:04:39 hamburger? Apr 10 20:04:47 cheeseburger Apr 10 20:04:58 abraxa_: (02:54:38 PM) unknown_lamer: I have an amusingly depressing situation with a female (I like you -- I like you too -- I am afraid of dating touching is scary anxiety anxiety rabble rabble etc) Apr 10 20:05:03 curse this EABI stuff Apr 10 20:05:09 *cough* Apr 10 20:05:11 i can has cheeseburger!! Apr 10 20:05:21 why must you be so much better than OABI and force me to hack on clisp instead of just cross compiling and living happily ever after Apr 10 20:05:29 Ganneff: do you mentor for GSoC? Apr 10 20:05:34 no. Apr 10 20:05:39 hmm Apr 10 20:06:01 Ganneff: do you know when FreeRunner will be available? Apr 10 20:06:09 no Apr 10 20:06:09 :-D Apr 10 20:06:13 oh, ok Apr 10 20:06:16 lol back to openmoko?? Apr 10 20:06:19 I figured I'd ask Apr 10 20:06:23 if his name was Gandalf he might Apr 10 20:06:42 lol Apr 10 20:07:03 unknown_lamer: "amusingly depressing situation" - I wonder how *that* works Apr 10 20:07:29 "oh crap, I'm so depressed =(" - "Oh wow, that's funny!" Apr 10 20:07:42 abraxa_: It's a "laugh to keep from crying" situation ;-) Apr 10 20:08:13 EMO KIDS!!!111!!!1!111 Apr 10 20:08:34 abraxa_: the absurdity of it all is a bit amusing Apr 10 20:09:05 cb22, emo said the guy who is tied to a chair... Apr 10 20:09:13 :D Apr 10 20:09:46 you must all suffer the penance of learn ARM assembler for this terribly off topic conversation Apr 10 20:10:00 unknown_lamer: It would only be amusing to me if she turned you on, almost goes all the way and then gives you cold turkey. Then someone could come and say "told you so!". And well, that would be me then ;) Apr 10 20:10:19 abraxa_, meany ^^ Apr 10 20:10:22 and fixing an openomoko bug Apr 10 20:10:45 josch: Reality is harsh, I didn't invent it Apr 10 20:10:50 hehe Apr 10 20:10:55 If I had I would've done lots of things differently Apr 10 20:11:06 ScaredyCat would be a girl, for example. Apr 10 20:11:12 hahahaha Apr 10 20:11:15 ScaredyCat, :P Apr 10 20:11:29 farewell you damn kids stay off my lawn while I'm gone Apr 10 20:11:58 Take care, unknown lamer Apr 10 20:12:14 .oO(That would odd to hear someone say...) Apr 10 20:12:15 take care of your lawn Apr 10 20:12:18 +be Apr 10 20:12:36 * summatusmentis should've been listening to his prof Apr 10 20:13:41 * cb22 tries to get out the chair Apr 10 20:14:35 * josch switches on the next episode of babylon 5 while getting a new load of chips! Apr 10 20:16:07 * abraxa_ releases cb22, full of frustration =( Apr 10 20:16:13 josch is so mean to me Apr 10 20:16:15 yay! Apr 10 20:16:51 darn he is free again Apr 10 20:16:56 freedom! Apr 10 20:18:08 now cb22 is free as in freedom not as in free beer... Apr 10 20:18:15 hrm... Apr 10 20:18:18 free beer... Apr 10 20:18:26 * josch switches on the next episode of babylon 5 while getting a new load of free beer Apr 10 20:23:01 * abraxa_ wonders if josch will still be busy watching Babylon 5 when his g/f comes around Apr 10 20:24:06 * cb22 tells josch to watch his gf with abraxa_ and his rope skills Apr 10 20:24:14 abraxa_, unfortunately she is in rome giving concerts... :-( Apr 10 20:24:25 giving concerts? Apr 10 20:24:32 cb22, dont tell him about abraxas garden of... Apr 10 20:24:45 cb22, yeah she plays trumpet in an orchestra Apr 10 20:24:48 lol. Apr 10 20:24:52 That page is not mine =( Apr 10 20:25:00 sure... Apr 10 20:25:04 he tells us this everytime... Apr 10 20:25:31 I'm not a sadist Apr 10 20:25:37 If I were, cb22 would have stab wounds Apr 10 20:25:37 :D Apr 10 20:25:47 -__- Apr 10 20:26:04 What?! Just saying =( Apr 10 20:26:18 * cb22 runs away Apr 10 20:26:29 * josch runs in the other direction Apr 10 20:26:52 * abraxa_ skitters over into the channel's corner and cries. Apr 10 20:26:54 * macdonalder wanders around wondering what just happened Apr 10 20:27:14 * cb22 takes away abraxa_'s robe and wizard hat Apr 10 20:27:20 ! Apr 10 20:27:23 hehe Apr 10 20:27:25 * josch LOVES having insider jokes ^^ Apr 10 20:27:47 cb22. What would YOU need them for. Apr 10 20:27:59 You wanna give your girl even more mental scars?! Apr 10 20:28:53 abraxa_, my girl has no scars, i dont play that way :p Apr 10 20:29:36 cb22: But... but... you said... no touchy... and... all Apr 10 20:30:17 gtg, too much offtopic traffic :-) Apr 10 20:30:42 .oO(Says the one who wanted to talk about Lisp) Apr 10 20:31:11 hehe Apr 10 20:31:31 abraxa_, in fact you can use lisp with openmoko :P Apr 10 20:31:31 abraxa_, touchy touchy Apr 10 20:31:32 but Apr 10 20:31:41 i also can use my girlfriend with openmoko Apr 10 20:31:48 (as we I will prove) Apr 10 20:31:49 Uh-oh Apr 10 20:32:04 openmokogirl? Apr 10 20:32:51 okay now rly of to tv Apr 10 20:32:57 Enjoy Apr 10 20:33:00 :-) Apr 10 20:33:04 * abraxa_ goes back to boring work =( Apr 10 20:33:12 * cb22 goes back to tv Apr 10 20:33:13 whats a good general chat room for new 3.5g phones Apr 10 20:33:16 had great time this evening - later guys Apr 10 20:33:21 oh wait, im watching it already :p Apr 10 20:33:33 tv + eee == win Apr 10 20:33:38 cb22, me too but not fullscreen ^^ Apr 10 20:34:16 ritztech: No clue, sorry Apr 10 20:35:18 Anyone know why monotone.openmoko.org is currently refusing connections? Apr 10 20:35:37 Cthobs: no, I was wondering that earlier Apr 10 20:36:38 roh: Do you know anything about that problem? Apr 10 20:45:01 bye Apr 10 20:45:28 abraxa_: lisp won't be off topic once I get clisp building properly Apr 10 20:45:56 abraxa_: afterward we can have python versus CL wars worthy of being written about by ancient bards Apr 10 20:46:51 Bards from the past will write about an epic Python vs Lisp war that is going to happen when (if) you get it to build Apr 10 20:46:56 Something there seems fishy Apr 10 20:48:30 place your brackets carefully unknown_lamer, for our whitespace shall defeat you! Apr 10 20:48:47 abraxa_: will have written Apr 10 20:49:43 quicksand: Or that Apr 10 20:49:43 from weapons import chainsaw, 50cal Apr 10 20:50:00 class ChainGun(chiansaw, 50cal): Apr 10 20:50:11 def __init__(self, target): Apr 10 20:50:21 self.target = target Apr 10 20:50:21 use Scheme at least it runs on the Neo already ;P Apr 10 20:50:27 def kill(self): Apr 10 20:50:59 # TODO Apr 10 20:52:53 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r178 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add several unsol. messages like cipher-state, signal quality, gprs state, ... Apr 10 20:53:57 abraxa_: it builds mostly now but the ffi is somewhat broken Apr 10 20:54:16 abraxa_: and there is no generational gc which is not so nice but not a showstopper Apr 10 20:55:04 I understand. We all go through these problems sometimes. Apr 10 20:55:07 Everything will be well. Apr 10 20:55:46 the ffi is kin of important to get gtk bindings and such Apr 10 20:56:53 Hope you get it fixed then :) Apr 10 20:57:09 * abraxa_ has no idea what else to say as he doesn't use Lisp Apr 10 20:57:44 ((((((((((good_luck)))))))))) Apr 10 20:58:04 http://xkcd.com/224/ Apr 10 20:58:10 perl >> lisp Apr 10 20:58:51 python >> perl Apr 10 20:58:54 http://xkcd.com/353/ Apr 10 21:02:03 * cb22 pokes josch with a stick Apr 10 21:03:19 * josch pokes back several times Apr 10 21:03:50 * cb22 should start reading less xkcd Apr 10 21:04:31 * josch should start learning more xkcd comics by hard Apr 10 21:08:54 * abraxa_ runs away with the e and t he stole from josch Apr 10 21:09:21 abraxa_: at least you left a d Apr 10 21:09:49 The letters were too big - could only hold one in each hand =( Apr 10 21:10:12 you guys are mean... :-( Apr 10 21:10:37 nah, abraxa_ is the mean one Apr 10 21:10:50 See! See! Mean! Not sadistic! Apr 10 21:10:53 abraxa_, is now known as mean abraxa... Apr 10 21:10:53 mean, master, they are all codenames you know Apr 10 21:11:59 oh wow, this was my contribution to the channel today :/ Apr 10 21:12:04 good night everyone Apr 10 21:14:49 what is up w/ you people? Apr 10 21:15:14 you people?????/ Apr 10 21:15:21 did we ever figure out why monotone.opemoko.org was refusing connections? Apr 10 21:15:32 cb22: yeah, you and abraxa_ both :) Apr 10 21:15:41 summatusmentis: I don't believe so Apr 10 21:15:43 My mean-ness transcended into the server. Apr 10 21:15:52 or yeah, that Apr 10 21:16:05 * cb22 needs a hug :( Apr 10 21:16:09 abraxa_: take your mean-ness back Apr 10 21:16:11 * summatusmentis hugs cb22 Apr 10 21:16:11 NOT FROM ANY OF YOU THOUGH Apr 10 21:16:21 O\_/O Apr 10 21:17:15 cb22: http://imagebin.ca/view/icuaQc.html ? Apr 10 21:17:56 loll Apr 10 21:31:55 abraxa_, this rounds up this evening pretty good :-D Apr 10 21:32:15 hehe ;) Apr 10 21:32:22 and hear what summatusmentis said: you two are the scary ones! not josch! Apr 10 21:32:37 josch, he implied you Apr 10 21:32:46 cb22: yeah, you and abraxa_ both :) Apr 10 21:32:47 because you and abraxa_ are really a couple :x Apr 10 21:32:50 hahaa! \o/ Apr 10 21:33:08 cb22: Don't let my wife know you said that Apr 10 21:33:13 /o\ Apr 10 21:33:20 cb22, right you can see me on those pixx abraxa_ showed us recently Apr 10 21:33:27 Get a room, guys. Apr 10 21:33:27 I'm only spelled differently Apr 10 21:33:27 rofl Apr 10 21:33:43 abraxa_, tell them about josh! Apr 10 21:33:46 bwahaha Apr 10 21:33:54 quicksand: We *are* in a room: #openmoko. Apr 10 21:34:06 Unfortunately for me, I'm in it too. Apr 10 21:34:07 in a room with a lot of others!! \o/ Apr 10 21:34:16 lol Apr 10 21:34:23 * josch hugs quicksand Apr 10 21:34:28 quicksand: Are we distracting you? Apr 10 21:34:52 From work? Yes. From anything useful? Uh . . . Apr 10 21:35:02 good, good Apr 10 21:35:09 carry on then... ^^ Apr 10 21:35:16 tsk tsk for the whole world to know: abraxa_'s nsfw website: http://abraxa.darklands.cx/ Apr 10 21:35:33 =*( Apr 10 21:35:52 That guy doesn't even look anything like me! Apr 10 21:36:04 _sure_ Apr 10 21:36:07 thats what they all say Apr 10 21:36:08 I thought he was Santana's second album. Apr 10 21:37:35 josch is so mean... he blames me for not being productive =( Apr 10 21:37:43 well... Apr 10 21:37:46 re-? Apr 10 21:37:53 it's true isnt it? :P Apr 10 21:38:30 Nu! Apr 10 21:38:35 It's Babylon 5! Apr 10 21:39:21 nah... Apr 10 21:39:24 long over... Apr 10 21:41:37 brb Apr 10 21:46:53 yay! my eee keyboard works again Apr 10 21:47:37 \o/ Apr 10 21:47:49 * josch opens up a new beer and cheers to cb22 Apr 10 21:48:11 mmm beer Apr 10 21:48:41 campai!! Apr 10 21:55:56 need to disconnect the interwebz to let my 3g phone charge :/ Apr 10 21:55:58 night all Apr 10 21:59:29 oh... he's gone abraxa_ Apr 10 22:00:01 time for bed then :-( Apr 10 22:00:10 gnight openmoko folks!! :-D Apr 10 22:00:12 \o/ Apr 10 22:00:16 Last man standing! I win! Apr 10 22:01:20 today you win infidel! but i will return!! i will return!!!! I... Apr 10 22:08:41 abraxa_: thats what you think ;) Apr 10 23:28:41 hi all Apr 10 23:29:17 anyone know what OM is doing w/ their 01's that were modified for the 850Mhz spectrum Apr 10 23:43:41 Enter text here...hola Apr 11 00:11:28 hmm, freerunner porn :D http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/04/10/openmoko-freerunner-leds-etc/ <- as if i didnt allready want one, badly! Apr 11 00:13:25 t_s_o: It's not nice to torment your fellow nerds with something like that. Apr 11 00:13:44 sorry, i just had to share the pain... Apr 11 00:14:52 The all-black looks conk.oler than either of the neo1973 case color schemes, I thi Apr 11 00:14:56 nk Apr 11 00:15:22 I meant to say "looks cooler". Apr 11 00:15:30 indeed. i got to say that im looking forward to being able to pull that out of the pocket ;) Apr 11 00:17:39 also, i kinda like that new theme. no more gradient overload. Apr 11 00:18:04 t_s_o: The screenshots on thos's page aren't just a new theme, I don't think Apr 11 00:18:14 oh? Apr 11 00:18:15 That looks like the underground image Apr 11 00:18:34 It's a (almost) totally different python-based stack Apr 11 00:18:40 ok Apr 11 00:18:59 I installed it on my 01 for a bit, but at the time it didn't support much of anything Apr 11 00:19:06 The code looks really clean & easy to mod, though Apr 11 00:19:23 I agree, though - I like the look better Apr 11 00:19:58 away again; dinnertime :-) Apr 11 00:20:19 I'm surprised they don't clean up the little icons in the upper right of the display (signal strength, battery charging etc). They look like they've been scaled from smaller size. It's a shame to have something rather blurry displayed constantly. Apr 11 00:22:30 hmm, its probably been asked a 1000 times, but will the freerunner come in a hackers dream box version? Apr 11 00:23:30 If so, I hope they add LEDs to that too! Apr 11 00:23:53 :P Apr 11 00:25:07 freerunner is retailing for < $400 right? Apr 11 00:50:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner#What_is_the_price.3F Apr 11 00:51:54 i think 400 € was mentioned somewhere as an estimate Apr 11 00:55:27 I think just about = $400 is the target. The 400 eu figure that I saw was including some hefty VAT, shipping, & other taxes Apr 11 00:57:27 Does anyone know of a way to turn off the neo Apr 11 00:57:49 (oops) Apr 11 00:58:13 Does anyone know of a way to turn off the neos backlight in a way that will allow a touch of the screen to turn it back on? Apr 11 00:58:48 echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/bl_power turns it off. Apr 11 00:59:28 But it won't come back on if I touch the screen. I want to be able to turn off the screen as if the idle timer had expired. Apr 11 02:15:17 rtm: I don't :-( Apr 11 02:15:41 I would think Neod does it, but I dunno how to invoke it on purpose **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 11 02:59:57 2008