**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 12 02:59:56 2008 Apr 12 03:12:13 i want buy a freerunner Apr 12 03:12:28 You are not alone. Apr 12 03:13:19 I am probably alone, as I do not want to :P Apr 12 03:13:35 how long we will wait,i had wait for a long time Apr 12 03:14:58 i watch its state everyday Apr 12 03:15:31 That's stalking. Apr 12 03:16:56 MouseBerry: real soon now, and by soon I mean less than 6 months, probably. Apr 12 03:17:22 dear god Apr 12 03:18:08 i consider it will just a few weeks Apr 12 03:55:21 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4350 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/data/Wifi.png: openmoko-panel-wifi: update WiFi icon (Erin Yueh) Apr 12 03:55:59 hallo moko Apr 12 05:22:30 Hi... I just found about about openmoko... i'd like to know if the freerunner will be available for purchase or if it's just for devs Apr 12 05:43:07 it'll be available for purchase, the software won't be there yet Apr 12 06:51:16 I hope I can buy a FreeRunner before this year ends Apr 12 06:51:37 Magic-8-ball says 'Ask again later'. Apr 12 06:53:32 I just wonder how did the HXD8 go out that fast Apr 12 07:00:48 CVirus: because gta02/freerunner was effectively put on hold while hxd8 was done Apr 12 07:00:55 thus why u see delays ion gta02 Apr 12 07:01:25 The community was never updated or told about the dash express Apr 12 07:01:39 nup Apr 12 07:01:50 why not ! Apr 12 07:01:57 as that would reveal the product plans of another company that didnt want its plans revealed Apr 12 07:02:12 we could have said "we are busy with something else" Apr 12 07:02:15 and not said what Apr 12 07:02:18 but hey - dont look at me Apr 12 07:02:22 i'm not community relations Apr 12 07:02:27 i wasn't even working @ om then Apr 12 07:02:35 it was all news to me when i arrived mid-oct Apr 12 07:02:36 * SpeedEvil blames raster anyway. Apr 12 07:02:43 * CVirus blames raster too Apr 12 07:02:45 :-p Apr 12 07:02:49 :-P Apr 12 07:03:17 What's the dash - is it basically just the kernel + OM patches + hardware, with the dash thingy runing ont op as one big app? Apr 12 07:03:18 raster: I want my FreeRunner with E17 running now Apr 12 07:03:55 And can users add software to the dash, or is it your traditional closed box. Apr 12 07:04:07 SpeedEvil: as best i know, closed box Apr 12 07:04:15 i gues su could try figure iot out :) Apr 12 07:04:19 but its not an open platform Apr 12 07:04:20 Annoying. Apr 12 07:04:29 well not marketed as one etc. Apr 12 07:04:31 Dash - on Freerunner'd be nice. Apr 12 07:04:40 \u can probably hack it as it is similar to the gta01/02 Apr 12 07:04:52 raster: you got your gta02 yet ? Apr 12 07:04:57 the actual navigatgion stuff is all proprietary and closed Apr 12 07:05:10 CVirus: yes. but i work @ om - that doesn't count Apr 12 07:05:19 I know that Apr 12 07:05:20 how am i expected to develop stuff for it without it? Apr 12 07:05:22 raster: I have no problem with closed. As long as there is a price on the website, and I can hit 'buy now' or not as I choose. Apr 12 07:05:28 i.e - even know if it will be fast or slow Apr 12 07:05:30 or how much Apr 12 07:05:33 raster: what is the status of the wifi driver ? Apr 12 07:05:35 the performance really matters Apr 12 07:05:39 dunno Apr 12 07:05:41 no idea Apr 12 07:05:45 i dont follow wifi Apr 12 07:05:54 raster: is it at least working for you ? Apr 12 07:05:59 never tried it Apr 12 07:06:02 ah ok Apr 12 07:07:42 i hear it works Apr 12 07:07:45 thats all i know Apr 12 07:07:58 as i've never seen a way to configure it from a gui Apr 12 07:08:01 i havent bothered Apr 12 07:08:25 I see Apr 12 07:08:36 raster: iwlist eth1 scan Apr 12 07:08:37 :-p Apr 12 07:12:15 sure Apr 12 07:12:29 but i'd need to configure wep key and dhcp request an ip Apr 12 07:12:30 etc. et.c Apr 12 07:12:33 just couldnt be bothered Apr 12 07:12:57 as my gta02 is tethered to usb anyway for testing and power Apr 12 07:13:10 we wont be shiping it without a working 802.11 chip Apr 12 07:13:15 so when it is available - it will work Apr 12 07:15:37 sure thing Apr 12 07:17:39 fyi Apr 12 07:17:50 iwlist scan does list a bunch of accesspoints herew Apr 12 07:17:54 including mine Apr 12 07:17:55 :) Apr 12 07:18:19 :-D Apr 12 08:08:46 openmoko: 03olv * r4351 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (configure.ac src/buttonactions.c): Apr 12 08:08:46 openmoko: * lock pa_threaded_mainloop before accessing pa_context Apr 12 08:08:46 openmoko: * initialize glib thread system Apr 12 08:08:46 openmoko: * fix warnings Apr 12 08:13:13 good morning Apr 12 08:22:09 Ah. 'http://i-mode.o2.co.uk/imode_pricing.html' 'O2 is the only operator to offer a simple, single browsing pricing plan with one price for both Pay Monthly and Pay & Go customers.' The plan to choose if you have money to burn! Apr 12 08:22:47 * SpeedEvil is looking for high speed internet sources. Apr 12 11:02:41 svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.10': could not connect to server (http://svn.berlios.de) Apr 12 11:02:44 ??? Apr 12 11:28:58 is berlios down? Apr 12 11:50:49 shity, my local eletronic dealer is so bad .. :( Apr 12 11:51:44 conrad? indeed... Apr 12 11:54:19 no, "ebc utz kohl" Apr 12 12:16:55 is berlios down? Apr 12 12:27:48 Cap_J_L_Picard: Looks like it Apr 12 12:30:44 hi all, starting openmoko in HTC Kaiser is possible ? Apr 12 12:32:30 zyxell: hi Apr 12 12:32:37 possible yes Apr 12 12:33:23 dcordes: and or was this successful anyone already ? Apr 12 12:33:36 zyxell: no idea Apr 12 12:34:00 I probably will try and make an image later Apr 12 12:35:45 nicely, I keep thumbs Apr 12 12:42:28 zyxell: would be more useful to at least have the matrix keyboard working before though Apr 12 12:45:18 I found in the lattice some of the aspect of the screen for HTC TyTn II somewhere Apr 12 12:45:37 http://www.mail-archive.com/haret@handhelds.org/msg00562.html Apr 12 12:59:42 zyxell: that's obsolete. we already have the display working Apr 12 13:01:02 ok Apr 12 13:01:58 abraxa_: So a friend of mine manage to confirm. Apr 12 13:02:16 abraxa_: no make update then... Apr 12 13:17:08 chihchun: get a 12V power supply, and a fan controller from ebay or wherever. Apr 12 13:17:10 oops Apr 12 13:17:21 oh that's always a good advise :D Apr 12 13:27:05 Mischan, as you probably all gathered. Apr 12 13:41:14 there is nothing wrong with marrying and getting 2 women in your life even 2 girlfriends. always have a back up and chase 2 or more women. 100's is better Apr 12 13:46:26 jhonny: How old are you? Apr 12 13:48:12 abraxa 70 Apr 12 13:49:17 I'm surprised you're still alive then. Some of your women might have slaughtered you along the way. Apr 12 13:59:28 nezza-_-: ping, da? Apr 12 14:57:46 edistar_: ping jo Apr 12 15:04:44 hello everyone Apr 12 15:05:19 i want to know if there will be anyone interested in mentoring a project for speech recognition system on open moko Apr 12 15:05:44 i have submitted an application for this at GSoC Apr 12 15:07:35 Fun. What are you aiming at? Apr 12 15:09:46 hello, am i being referred here. Apr 12 15:11:49 This is probably the right place - it's just that it sounds like nobodies around. Apr 12 15:12:01 This is a quiet time of day. Apr 12 15:12:26 When is this channel most active, in your experience? Apr 12 15:12:36 Are you aiming at a few words - 'dial mary' 'dial 0194'... Or full text? Apr 12 15:12:43 * SpeedEvil ponders. Apr 12 15:13:09 maybe another 4 hours for 8-10 hours? Apr 12 15:15:33 hello everyone Apr 12 15:16:21 Hello. Apr 12 15:16:46 i have applied for openmoko for speech recognition system Apr 12 15:16:59 speaking of GSoC, have mentors been assigned for any proposals..? Apr 12 15:17:04 i want to know if this is a good project idea this summer or not Apr 12 15:17:20 is any mentor would be interested in this project Apr 12 15:19:02 As far as I know - no. Apr 12 15:19:12 (none ahve been assigned yet. Apr 12 15:19:22 It sounds like a good project, but my understanding is that there aren't a lot of mentors signed up for OM SoC projects. The chances of one of them being well versed in speech recognition probably isn't good. Apr 12 15:19:22 hmm..ok thanks Apr 12 15:19:25 What sort of speech recognition are you conmtemplating? Apr 12 15:20:02 i have some experience on speech recognition like recognizing the stored words in the system Apr 12 15:20:14 a system where you preteach some words to the phone might be okay for gsoc, a general one is a huge thing... Apr 12 15:20:25 A general one is man-centuries of work. Apr 12 15:20:30 For a good one. Apr 12 15:21:08 Is there an existing open source speech recognition system that could be ported? Apr 12 15:21:11 my idea is to let the user store their words in the phone and customize them to do specific tasks when spoken Apr 12 15:21:21 yes there are some Apr 12 15:21:23 rtp: as I understand it not really. Apr 12 15:21:36 rtm: speex - but that's _way_ too resource heavy\ Apr 12 15:22:14 "Sphinx" is such an open source project on speech recognition Apr 12 15:22:32 i want to modify it and port it to open moko platform Apr 12 15:23:04 There are some PalmOS systems. Perhpas the author of one of those could be talked into helping with a port to Openmoko. Apr 12 15:23:08 What sort of CPU does it require - amount of CPU that is. Apr 12 15:23:27 Err - yes - I meant sphinx I think. Apr 12 15:24:01 First, there is no java. Apr 12 15:24:17 And sphinx is _way_ too slow as I understand it. Apr 12 15:24:23 it depends on the method implemented..u would be surprized that i made a speech recognition system for 8-bit microcontroller for recognizing 6 words Apr 12 15:24:30 Not really. Apr 12 15:24:37 Envelope detection is trivial. Apr 12 15:25:11 no i want to implement the Hidden markov model for recognition Apr 12 15:25:44 I have studied it somewhat and it claims for a 90% success rate Apr 12 15:25:47 There are 5 people in #sphinx Apr 12 15:26:06 are they associated with openmoko?? Apr 12 15:26:06 4 now I've left Apr 12 15:26:10 I doubt it Apr 12 15:26:17 saurabh1403: link to your implementation on an 8bit microcontroler? sounds interesting Apr 12 15:27:14 yes i implemented 8 band pass digital filers in assembly Apr 12 15:27:35 the success rate was quite satisfactory, about 60 to 70% Apr 12 15:27:54 i think it can be a very good and attractive feature in open moko Apr 12 15:28:10 saurabh1403: a link to the project? Apr 12 15:28:49 sorry not yet uploaded on my webpage. i did it for my college project Apr 12 15:29:15 i was mentored by my college Prof. Apr 12 15:29:42 however i can send you the project report if u want Apr 12 15:32:30 hello, sorry connection problem Apr 12 15:42:30 sudharsh_: yeah would be nice.. Apr 12 15:42:54 sudharsh_: sorry Apr 12 15:43:20 but iy sure would be nice to know what would be nice Apr 12 16:14:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r182 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (README odeviced/odeviced): py-odeviced: prepare for 0.8.0 release Apr 12 16:15:27 gg cat fuse Apr 12 16:15:40 oops Apr 12 16:16:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r183 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/INSTALL: py-odeviced: add INSTALL file Apr 12 16:17:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r184 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/COPYING: py-odeviced: add license file Apr 12 16:49:41 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r185 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX: muxer interface for dbus Apr 12 17:20:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r186 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/ (5 files in 2 dirs): py-odeviced: bug fixes when installed on device Apr 12 17:24:50 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r187 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX: Apr 12 17:24:50 freesmartphone.org: changed to dbus naming conventions Apr 12 17:24:50 freesmartphone.org: some docs added Apr 12 18:55:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r188 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/ (4 files in 2 dirs): py-odeviced: add configurability, idlenotifier can ignore input nodes now Apr 12 19:03:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r189 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): py-odeviced: add odeviced.conf.sample Apr 12 19:23:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r190 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/ (controller.py modules/idlenotifier.py): py-odeviced: fix gobject-timeout bug, fix disabling modules Apr 12 19:49:01 how do i use the mokomakefile to build/run the latest OM software/OS? Apr 12 20:02:32 /msg nickserv link PiXeLStick pixelstick Apr 12 20:03:03 LOL Apr 12 20:03:07 ghosted the idiot Apr 12 20:03:09 niahahaha Apr 12 20:03:30 PiXeLStick: sorry :-p Apr 12 20:04:07 it is ok Apr 12 20:04:11 the dreaded space! :D Apr 12 21:38:14 is there any chance SQLite will be built into openmoko? Apr 12 21:39:57 What's the problem? Just install it Apr 12 21:40:00 :) Apr 12 21:43:36 abraxa_: is it packaged for openmoko? Apr 12 21:46:03 bmk789: Openmoko is a derivative of Angstrom - SQLite is available on Angstrom, so... Apr 12 21:46:19 Just do an "opkg install sqlite3" and you should be good Apr 12 21:46:37 (or sqlite) Apr 12 21:49:06 sweet Apr 12 21:49:32 do the PIM apps use SQLite as a backend? Apr 12 21:52:19 Nope, they use a D-Bus enabled version of EDS (Evolution Data Server) Apr 12 22:13:20 can someone help me setup USB networking with my openmoko qemu VM on kubuntu? Apr 12 22:17:23 Sorry, never used qemu... did you try the wiki instructions? Apr 12 22:19:02 bmk789: at which part are you stuck? Apr 12 22:19:45 * abraxa_ praises the master :) Apr 12 22:20:46 the VM shows a usb0 connection and i created the interface on my host i think Apr 12 22:22:30 balrog-kun: do i need to edit the command that "make run-qemu" runs? Apr 12 22:23:55 * balrog-kun checks what command MokoMakefile uses.. Apr 12 22:24:46 and do i need to load a certain module in kubuntu? i loaded usbnet Apr 12 22:25:12 yes, you'll need to add -usbgadget to the command in MokoMakefile's run-qemu target Apr 12 22:25:38 yeah, you'll need the same modules that ubuntu needs, the building instructions should apply Apr 12 22:27:49 you mean ill need to rebuild my host kernel? Apr 12 22:29:03 if you're using the stock kernel, then yes, likely Apr 12 22:29:23 onless ubuntu has that particular module in the packages, i'm not sure but the wiki knows Apr 12 22:34:29 balrog-kun: what page on the wiki, ive checked mokomakefile and USB networking and i cant find what i need Apr 12 22:35:01 * * OM Bug 1339 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de Apr 12 22:35:01 * * matchbox-keyboard sometimes has a locked enter key Apr 12 22:35:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1339 Apr 12 22:35:33 bmk789: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module this one Apr 12 22:35:47 it's for Ubuntu users i believe Apr 12 22:36:10 thanks Apr 12 22:52:39 how do i get to the qemu monitor? Apr 12 22:52:52 ctrl-alt-2 usually Apr 12 22:52:58 with the magic want that came with it Apr 12 22:53:03 you did get a wand didn't you? Apr 12 22:53:06 ah Apr 12 22:53:07 ty Apr 12 22:53:19 :p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 13 02:59:57 2008