**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 19 04:56:18 2008 Apr 19 04:57:54 oh noes, teh leds will rapezorrs teh battery! Apr 19 04:59:37 cb22: at least you can pretend you have a gta01 and leave the leds off Apr 19 05:00:33 cesarb: i know :) its not as if wifi was broken Apr 19 05:00:46 or something that 99.9% of people cared about Apr 19 05:01:24 they aren't even broken, it just means they will use ore battery, and if they flash... Apr 19 05:02:24 cb22: it will be a problem for people who want to use the neo as a flashlight :D Apr 19 05:02:59 cb22: or if they want to imitate these phones which have two leds, one always on and one slowly blinking... Apr 19 05:04:08 heh, or if you want to show it ff to your friends, hey look, my phones buttons have lights! Apr 19 05:04:14 off* Apr 19 05:08:02 after a full hour, finally monotone finished downloading... Apr 19 05:21:42 cesarb: please use dodji's tree Apr 19 05:21:47 git://git.openmoko.org/git/users/olv/glamofb.git Apr 19 05:21:55 sorry, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=users/dodji/xglamo.git;a=summary Apr 19 06:26:17 what does the openmoko patches do to the linux kernel in general Apr 19 06:27:02 reduces the size or add hardware drivers or what? Apr 19 06:38:00 shaz: mostly drivers Apr 19 06:38:34 shaz: a few bugfixes and new features too Apr 19 07:02:44 so it means that the standard kernel is used but is'nt that heavy? Would'nt it be more suitable to use a trimmed kernel? Apr 19 07:35:42 * Xenius wants Free software device with EDGE support and keyboard Apr 19 07:38:05 Xenius: you wont get it from OM, this year Apr 19 07:38:39 cb22: the proplem is they need to tell people and get it out in the open because people will only bitch and whine later Apr 19 07:40:17 Blastur, I know, other free mobile platform exists Apr 19 07:40:29 *platforms Apr 19 07:40:38 such as? Apr 19 07:40:49 i'd like one with 3G if possible Apr 19 07:40:52 Android, Qtopia Apr 19 07:41:16 The Qtopia greenphone has been cancelled, they focus on OpenMoko hardware instead, don't they? Apr 19 07:41:39 and Android isn't really 'free', it's just a new version of J2ME .. Apr 19 07:41:57 in that sense, all existing phones are also free Apr 19 07:42:26 Android has a free core... iirc it's running an open source base system, w/ a proprietary gui on top Apr 19 07:42:52 Is only OpenMoko free software platform for mobiles? Apr 19 07:43:28 Xenius: well Qtopia... Apr 19 07:43:58 summatusmentis: the way i understand it is that you can create your own apps and replace existing apps, but all code is written in Java and compiled to that Java Bytecode clone Apr 19 07:44:33 so sure, you can probably write whatever apps you want for the android platform, but you cannot do low-level additions, nor reflash the core Apr 19 07:45:08 the android project will be implemented by a lot of different large phone companies, so i guess they will differ too.. just like every freaking j2me jvm implementation is different Apr 19 07:47:08 What device to bue for replacing my nokia N73 with damned Symbian 9? Apr 19 07:49:19 I need numeric or full keyboard, EDGE, high resolution display and ability to change any files on it Apr 19 07:49:44 there is no such device yet Apr 19 07:50:13 What about nokia N70? Apr 19 07:50:20 however, many linux based phones are emerging, probably much more hackable than previous phones Apr 19 07:50:39 lol.. ability to change any file on it ;) it'll be hard to find a phone wher you can change system files :) Apr 19 07:51:44 Files, that is not on ROM can be changed Apr 19 07:53:52 Blastur, what phones in my requires do you know? Apr 19 07:55:25 Xenius: what country are you in Apr 19 07:55:53 makes a difference tbh Apr 19 07:56:03 * ScaredyCat does a happy dance.. Apr 19 07:56:17 you know when you're trying to figure something out.... and you can't Apr 19 07:56:36 and you wake up in the morning and just fix the problem you were having... Apr 19 07:56:40 I'm in Russia Apr 19 07:56:47 I just did it... it's great when that happens Apr 19 07:57:10 aren't they more resrtictive in Russia - re: hardware ? Apr 19 07:57:14 restrictive Apr 19 07:57:25 iicr somone had problems importing a neo Apr 19 07:57:27 iirc Apr 19 07:57:47 into Russia ...I think they needed some extra documentation or somehting Apr 19 07:58:00 * ScaredyCat tries tofind a reference to it... Apr 19 07:58:06 and a new keyboard Apr 19 08:08:37 ScaredyCat: what did you figure out this morning? Apr 19 08:11:16 it was why my RDEPENDS wasn't working and why bitbake couldn't find my app even though it was there.. in plain sighs Apr 19 08:11:20 sight Apr 19 08:26:02 Got this: http://pastebin.com/d5fe02d14 error while doing make openmoko-devel-iamge Apr 19 08:26:24 should I be doing make update before this step Apr 19 08:46:47 that doesn't look right at all shaz Apr 19 08:47:41 are you sure you've got the package lists and your env setup right Apr 19 08:48:07 line 4 points to your problem Apr 19 08:57:21 line 4, let me see (sorry for the delay, nature's call) Apr 19 08:58:05 How should i check the package list and environment Apr 19 08:58:55 scaredyCat: what should i do now Apr 19 09:00:36 You could try a make update ... Apr 19 09:00:50 it should do the mtn stuff too... Apr 19 09:03:18 ok Apr 19 09:49:15 when in suspended mode with battery, how long does the FreeRunners' battery last? Apr 19 09:50:01 mbuf: afaik roughly 60h Apr 19 09:50:19 edistar, ok Apr 19 09:53:09 edistar, with the battery inside, can the device be in switched off mode, or does it continue to be in suspended mode? Apr 19 09:53:34 Morning Apr 19 09:53:35 mbuf: it can be switched off, so that it won't use any current Apr 19 09:53:42 edistar, ok Apr 19 09:53:45 edistar, thanks Apr 19 09:53:53 does anyone know anything about a potential manual fix for the LED power issue ? Apr 19 09:54:10 mbuf: 'halt' :) it's like a standard linux box, only smaller :P Apr 19 09:54:28 I'm *quite* pissed off by the mail I saw this morning considering I booked my phone 4-5 days ago... Apr 19 09:54:47 edistar, but, "in-flight" mode == halt? Apr 19 09:55:08 MarcOChapeau what happened? Apr 19 09:55:11 MarcOChapeau, booked your phone? they are not on sale yet Apr 19 09:55:24 mbuf: there preorders are open Apr 19 09:55:41 MarcOChapeau, ohh! where? Apr 19 09:55:45 mbuf: when you fly you can also just switch off gsm Apr 19 09:56:00 edistar, ok, that is what i would expect Apr 19 09:56:20 mbuf: so that you can hack the wifi AP in the plane in peace ;) Apr 19 09:56:23 lu_zero: the first batch of GTA02 will be GT02v5 boards, and they found an annoying power issue on some LEDs Apr 19 09:56:50 edistar, not sure, how many air hostesses understand that :) Apr 19 09:57:09 MarcOChapeau, yes, saw that e-mail Apr 19 09:57:12 lu_zero: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty/2031 Apr 19 09:58:30 I mean, wasn't everyone singing "we don't care about software, give us stable hardware" 2 days ago ? Apr 19 09:58:55 and there we are. I might as well just cancel and wait another 12 month Apr 19 09:59:10 mbuf: there are phones that can switch off gsm already.. so they should know that Apr 19 09:59:19 ok Apr 19 09:59:38 details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v5 Apr 19 10:00:21 i'm really not sure everyone gets the problem Apr 19 10:00:24 I once sat in a plane with 2 people around me playing with their phones.. I was quite alarmed (you never know what might happen, must be a reason why gsm must be turned off) till one of them told me that he could switch off gsm Apr 19 10:00:39 all it means is that the leds will simply draw more power when on Apr 19 10:00:43 he was an IT professor from bukarest btw :P Apr 19 10:00:57 its not as if a constant 125mw will e sapped from the battery Apr 19 10:01:32 cb22: but it is noticeable if you led blinks every 2 seconds for 2 h because you received an sms Apr 19 10:01:38 cb22: I know. but still... Apr 19 10:02:00 edistar: what voltage do the leds run at? 3v? Apr 19 10:02:36 cb22: no idea Apr 19 10:02:50 I really don't care about not getting the stable software. I'm able to handle that... I can't handle the hardware. and I want those leds to "just work" Apr 19 10:03:05 MarcOChapeau: they do work :) just are a little wasteful Apr 19 10:03:10 but when are GTA02v6 ready for sale? Apr 19 10:03:20 indeed Apr 19 10:04:21 edistar: yeah I know... my point is, I would've liked to know that I would get a v5 board before booking one on trisoft Apr 19 10:06:18 MarcOChapeau: TRIsoft will inform us Apr 19 10:29:38 MarcOChapeau: well, isn't that your fault for ordering something that's not yet available... Apr 19 10:29:48 talk to trisoft and cancel your order.. Apr 19 10:29:58 that would seem the most logical thing to do Apr 19 10:30:22 then at least people who don;t care would be able to get a device Apr 19 10:30:27 ScaredyCat: hmm, well I'll admit that Apr 19 10:31:47 what I will agree to is that it's odd that there is a gta2v6 in the first place... Apr 19 10:32:04 if there's a v6 why would a v5 ship ? Apr 19 10:32:24 I guess it might be that they spotted the issue late.. Apr 19 10:32:26 ScaredyCat: yes, this is probably a better question to ask Apr 19 10:32:36 right Apr 19 10:33:08 ScaredyCat: I think they already started mass-producing and noticed the bug later Apr 19 10:33:35 ScaredyCat: Probably because the assembly line is set up to produce the v5, the testing was done on the v5 and switching to v6 would cause another month or so of delay. Apr 19 10:33:37 edistar: You think they already mass produce ? Apr 19 10:34:05 well, I'm not sure that you mass produce before all your PVT tests etc are done, do you? Apr 19 10:34:35 MarcOChapeau: I have heard(no idea if its true) that OM has already produced 1000 gta02v5s Apr 19 10:34:40 ScaredyCat: yeah, sounds surprising. Apr 19 10:34:53 otherwise there would be no point in selling v5s Apr 19 10:35:08 edistar: I thought there were only a few for PVT Apr 19 10:35:12 1000 pieces is not mass production... Apr 19 10:35:13 I'll take them all off thier hands for 20gbp Apr 19 10:35:14 :) Apr 19 10:35:22 s/thier/their/ Apr 19 10:35:38 hehe Apr 19 10:39:20 seriously though... just increase the delay between flashes by 3 x Apr 19 10:39:40 so if a v6 flashes once every 2 seconds, make it 6 on a v5 :) Apr 19 10:40:03 Yeah, or just turn off the leds alltogether. Apr 19 10:41:00 or, only flash them when the accelerometer indicates that the device has been picked up Apr 19 10:41:02 * AVee won't miss 'm that much. Not enough to wait yet another month anyway :) Apr 19 10:41:43 I agree that it should be out in the open.. but I don;t agree that it's a massive issue.. Apr 19 10:42:30 as I've said, if you don;t want a v5, simply step aside and let someone who doesn't care have a device first. Then get your v6 later... Apr 19 10:42:50 True, the openness is the important here, after that everybody is free to make their own decision. Apr 19 10:43:03 if there are only 1000 v5's ( edistar's guess at #) then you wont have to wait long Apr 19 10:43:35 I'd predict that 1000's 02's would sell in < 1 day Apr 19 10:55:15 I tried make update after this: http://pastebin.com/d5fe02d14 failure and now I get this after doing make update: http://pastebin.com/d22a2d2e6 Apr 19 10:55:53 its saying already upto date Apr 19 10:56:16 and that svn cleanup is required Apr 19 10:56:32 I don't know why this build process is so messy Apr 19 10:56:41 look at hte last few lines Apr 19 10:56:55 it's not messy... Apr 19 10:57:16 do the svn cleanup. Apr 19 10:57:27 just type in svn cleanup? Apr 19 10:57:30 also note that at the top it does the mtn stuff Apr 19 10:57:54 so it's not just updating openmoko sources ... it's also updating packges etc Apr 19 10:58:12 so... Apr 19 10:58:20 you should have an openmoko dir in ${OMDIR} Apr 19 10:58:31 yes I have it Apr 19 10:58:31 go in there and do the cleanup Apr 19 10:58:36 ok Apr 19 10:59:03 then go back to omdir and try your make update again Apr 19 10:59:27 mickeyl, why isn't python (+ pygtk) in openmoko-devel-image? Apr 19 10:59:27 I typed "svn cleanup" but it says its not a working directory Apr 19 11:00:19 in trunk ? Apr 19 11:00:35 on $OMDIR/openmoko Apr 19 11:00:38 sorry, ${OMDIR}/openmoko/trunk Apr 19 11:00:44 ok Apr 19 11:01:44 if that errors you have an issue with your checkout Apr 19 11:02:11 did your initial setuupwork ok? Apr 19 11:02:25 thos: because it's misnamed. It should be openmoko-debug-image Apr 19 11:02:32 the image you want to build is openmoko-python-devel-image Apr 19 11:03:02 there's a copy on my bh thos :) Apr 19 11:03:26 mickeyl: although, it's not complete.. Apr 19 11:03:53 some of the examples require python libs that aren't installed. Apr 19 11:05:35 mickeyl, my point was it'd be nice to have python in the "developer" image Apr 19 11:05:43 mickeyl, not as a seperate thing Apr 19 11:06:21 mickeyl, then I can give people a small hack or whatever and won't have to explain how to install all the python deps Apr 19 11:06:58 well, I presume there isn't much space on gta01 for it Apr 19 11:07:05 but for gta02 it would be nie Apr 19 11:07:07 nice Apr 19 11:07:14 if you like python Apr 19 11:07:39 ScaredyCat, I think it makes sense from a developer platform point of view Apr 19 11:07:41 you should also install gcc Apr 19 11:07:43 thos: well, yes. i can clarify that in org.oe.dev Apr 19 11:07:47 and lua Apr 19 11:07:49 i'm not working on om branch though Apr 19 11:07:51 'course, installing all the python deps shouldn't be very difficult... Apr 19 11:07:53 and lisp Apr 19 11:07:59 etc Apr 19 11:08:00 ScaredyCat, don't be silly Apr 19 11:08:06 why python Apr 19 11:08:10 why not? Apr 19 11:08:17 python is nice and popular Apr 19 11:08:19 ok, why not gcc too Apr 19 11:08:22 a rare combination Apr 19 11:08:26 because that's silly Apr 19 11:08:40 indeed, that's just a silly comparison Apr 19 11:08:44 i'm suggesting including a scripting language on the developer image Apr 19 11:08:48 you shouldn;t be picking stuff like that to go on htere, you should be providing a iki page on how to Apr 19 11:08:49 gcc is not a scripting language Apr 19 11:08:58 wiki Apr 19 11:09:14 I suppose you suggest we should include nothing by defeault then? Apr 19 11:09:22 no libs, just a busybox shell Apr 19 11:09:29 no, I'm suggesting you provide a wiki page Apr 19 11:09:56 i'm suggesting it would be nicer to choose a scripting language that we can support Apr 19 11:10:10 i'm not saying you can't use some other language too Apr 19 11:10:18 but you uhave to make decisions Apr 19 11:10:22 well, alea acta est already Apr 19 11:10:40 the choice is really only among python and ruby Apr 19 11:10:41 by putting python on there you're essentially saying that python is the supported language. Apr 19 11:10:42 * mjr incidentally is happy enough that python is easily installable Apr 19 11:10:44 since all others lack in bindings Apr 19 11:11:00 ScaredyCat, what's wrong with that? Apr 19 11:11:05 with python having a maturity advantage that counts Apr 19 11:11:05 mickeyl, I vote for python! Apr 19 11:11:15 so you'll need to support it... and of course, anything else you'll give the response 'Install python' Apr 19 11:11:25 ScaredyCat, that's lame Apr 19 11:11:50 it certainly doesn't fit well on an 01... Apr 19 11:11:58 sure there's more space on an 02.. Apr 19 11:12:02 well I already said that Apr 19 11:12:06 I got this after runing svn cleanup and the whole output is http://pastebin.com/d32f99134 Apr 19 11:12:12 ScaredyCat, you can always ommit it from your images :-) Apr 19 11:12:20 sory, scaredycat: got dc Apr 19 11:13:27 shazkhan: get rid of the patch, rerun cleanup then svn up Apr 19 11:13:30 mickeyl, I did my X vs cairo profiling with a python/pygtk app Apr 19 11:13:44 in trunk? Apr 19 11:13:59 thos: with the ohand profiling tool? Apr 19 11:14:14 mickeyl, er, no I wrote it from scratch Apr 19 11:14:30 mickeyl, the thing that just drew 300 circles and timed it Apr 19 11:15:43 shazkhan: yes.. Apr 19 11:16:00 it'll get corrected after the cleanup and sv up Apr 19 11:16:28 src/target/kernel/patches/ does not contain the problematic patch. It has .svn Apr 19 11:18:16 so i should run the svn up then or what? Apr 19 11:20:06 mickeyl, it seems to be there is a lot of overlap between openmoko-devel and device-owners Apr 19 11:21:31 scredyCat: is the patch somewhere else ? Apr 19 11:21:49 thos: yes. i think this will change soon Apr 19 11:22:06 if not, we can shutdown Apr 19 11:22:14 one list Apr 19 11:22:18 mickeyl, there's a lot of good discussion on device-owners that should be on openmoko-devel Apr 19 11:27:57 scredycat you there Apr 19 11:29:41 If I delete openmoko directory and run make setup again, will that do the job Apr 19 11:34:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r222 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/README: otapi/README: more hacking notes Apr 19 11:41:27 thos: are you familiar with documenting dbus xml introspection format? Apr 19 11:49:18 shazkhan: sorry, was eating... Apr 19 11:54:32 hi y'all Apr 19 11:56:22 mickeyl, hm, no, sorry. Apr 19 12:01:14 rob hubbard music still rocks Apr 19 12:03:58 * mickeyl tunes in crazy comets Apr 19 12:05:17 lol, just laying that now Apr 19 12:05:28 s/laying/playing/ Apr 19 12:05:28 ScaredyCat meant: lol, just playing that now Apr 19 12:06:23 the ringer surely must be able to play sid files :) Apr 19 12:08:51 yep Apr 19 12:08:55 100% requirement for me Apr 19 12:08:59 :) Apr 19 12:08:59 +a Apr 19 12:09:18 i mean who else has that? Apr 19 12:09:24 thousands of ring tones Apr 19 12:09:29 in less than 8MB or what Apr 19 12:09:46 and not just random junk Apr 19 12:09:49 but _cool_ ring tones Apr 19 12:10:10 also .mod and .xm, although these are larger Apr 19 12:11:09 we're going to need a bigger boat Apr 19 12:11:15 s/boat/sd card/ Apr 19 12:11:16 ScaredyCat meant: we're going to need a bigger sd card Apr 19 12:11:28 1.2G C64Music Apr 19 12:12:11 lol.. boat - sd card.. :) Apr 19 12:13:57 :) Apr 19 12:14:09 35345 ringtones Apr 19 12:26:25 :D Apr 19 12:26:27 Packaged contents of sidplayer into /builder/newBuild/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/sidplayer_4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk Apr 19 12:31:06 :) Apr 19 12:31:12 phew, doc writing is annyoing Apr 19 12:31:19 so boooooooring Apr 19 12:32:52 not as bad as waiting for your neo to charge because you left it on over night and its battery went completely flat Apr 19 12:34:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r224 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (2 files): otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device|SIM: docs++ Apr 19 12:40:11 07.07 question... TE/ME does not store an incoming SMS automatically on SIM? Apr 19 12:40:21 sorry, TA/ME even Apr 19 12:43:52 mickeyl: that's 07.05 question ;) Apr 19 12:44:08 afair it depends on the storage selected with +CPMS Apr 19 12:44:24 ah, that's why i don't find it in 07.07 Apr 19 12:45:08 *printing* Apr 19 13:07:59 MichaelShiloh: ping Apr 19 13:18:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r225 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml: fix Accept 'id' direction. Thanks Hessu! Apr 19 13:54:44 error: short SHA1 4194 is ambiguous. Apr 19 13:54:45 fatal: Not a valid object name 4194 Apr 19 13:54:48 great... Apr 19 13:55:18 I *so* hoped the build-errors-every-second-build times were past Apr 19 13:58:43 ...great, so the build is using git but sane-srcrevs thinks it's using svn! Apr 19 14:46:11 hello everyone Apr 19 15:06:18 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r226 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Apr 19 15:06:18 freesmartphone.org: various fixes Apr 19 15:06:18 freesmartphone.org: changed sms notification to the kind that the neo supports Apr 19 15:25:26 hi all Apr 19 15:26:56 d3vice: hi Apr 19 15:27:13 hi edistar Apr 19 16:13:55 Does anyone have a solution to the git.kernel.tar file not found on the openmoko.downloads site? Apr 19 16:22:21 Donson_: it should try and check it out Apr 19 16:22:56 have a look in your sources dir for the version it was looking for, there may be a .lock file still there... Apr 19 16:23:11 it does take a long time Apr 19 16:23:19 gives the impression its getting barfed Apr 19 16:23:28 if there's a lock file it will assume that the tarball is there... and if it's not actually there... it'll biatch Apr 19 16:23:42 sigh 550 out of 5445 Apr 19 16:24:15 Sup3rkiddo: what are you building? Apr 19 16:24:33 a small village Apr 19 16:24:37 edistar, glibc-intermediate just finished Apr 19 16:24:42 bleh to ScaredyCat Apr 19 16:24:52 ScaredyCat: you mean NL? Apr 19 16:25:09 There's a .lock file there Apr 19 16:25:13 Do I just remove the .lock? Apr 19 16:25:18 that would be a 'pit of dispair' edistar Apr 19 16:25:20 Donson_: yes Apr 19 16:25:34 is there a tar.gz ? Apr 19 16:25:45 usually you just end p with the .lock Apr 19 16:25:47 yeah tar.gz.lock Apr 19 16:26:00 ok, but that's the lock file.. Apr 19 16:26:26 ScaredyCat: you don't like NL? join the club ;) Apr 19 16:26:30 just delete the lock file and try again Apr 19 16:26:50 what is NL Apr 19 16:26:51 edistar: at the moment it's a depressing place :( Apr 19 16:27:09 Sup3rkiddo: .nl - The Netherlands Apr 19 16:27:15 ScaredyCat: ok, my dad thinks so too.. typically english attitude.. Apr 19 16:27:16 oh ok Apr 19 16:27:34 aye... edistar Apr 19 16:28:04 ScaredyCat: well, you'll survive! Apr 19 16:28:16 .. or take them all with me ;) Apr 19 16:28:32 :D Apr 19 16:29:41 it's gray weather in .nl today; so what? ;) Apr 19 16:30:21 Kero: you dutch don't understand ;) Apr 19 16:31:22 of course not; we're used to whatever .nl is ;) Apr 19 16:32:00 and I don't mind .nl that much, it's just that .uk is nicer :D Apr 19 16:32:13 * Kero lived in NY state for four months, until recently Apr 19 16:33:22 the only way to live in ny is on expenses :) Apr 19 16:33:34 makes me value some things of .nl and wish some things were different :) Apr 19 16:33:46 ScaredyCat: the dollar is soooo cheap :) Apr 19 16:34:15 yah but those restaurants in manhattan aren't :) Apr 19 16:34:59 depends on the restaurant. wouldn't call the majority expensive, at all. Apr 19 16:35:46 if you're used to 'eten uit de muur' ;0 Apr 19 16:35:49 ;) Apr 19 16:35:51 This might be a dumb questions, but do I need mokomakefile to build the new version, 2007.2? Apr 19 16:35:57 lol Apr 19 16:36:02 :) Apr 19 16:36:12 excellent retort edistar :D Apr 19 16:36:26 Donson_: no, you can also build it with openembedded Apr 19 16:36:39 Donson_: but the mokomakefile is easier if you want to build for gta01 Apr 19 16:36:39 * Kero visited McDonalds exactly 0 times in NY Apr 19 16:36:42 Donson_: you don;t need it, it makes it a little easier if you don;t know what ur doing Apr 19 16:37:00 * zedstar hangs out in Queens when he goes to NYC Apr 19 16:37:05 edistar clearly types faster Apr 19 16:37:09 haha thanks, I don't really knwo what im doing Apr 19 16:37:19 but mokomakefile wont build either :/ Apr 19 16:37:25 not by choice but her in doors is from Queens Apr 19 16:37:31 which one do you think i'd have a better chance of getting? Apr 19 16:37:32 zedstar: ... not the place theough, and that's different Apr 19 16:37:56 Donson_: post errors to pastebin Apr 19 16:38:04 Donson_: mokomakefile Apr 19 16:38:40 i do like Manhattan though Apr 19 16:38:43 thanks, the mission continues! Apr 19 16:39:30 Come to Chicago, we have better summers! Apr 19 16:39:36 and wind Apr 19 16:39:41 its the best1 Apr 19 16:39:47 yeh the lakes Apr 19 16:39:52 would be nice Apr 19 16:42:03 as soon as its above 60 degrees the girls flock to the lake Apr 19 16:42:27 but it gets too crowded and they spill over everywhere its the best Apr 19 16:42:31 heh..summers Apr 19 16:42:33 Donson_: better if the flock to you.. Apr 19 16:42:44 *they Apr 19 16:43:14 ppl flock to the Dutch coast, too ;) Apr 19 16:43:23 and the coast in England Apr 19 16:44:05 Kero: :P Apr 19 16:44:22 zandvoort.. Apr 19 16:45:55 * Kero prefers less crowded areas. say, hiking in the mountains ;) Apr 19 16:46:06 or the beach in winter :) Apr 19 16:48:06 http://www.pastebin.ca/989697 Apr 19 16:48:30 As I said before, I'm really quite clueless and this error has been nagging me all night Apr 19 16:49:08 an openmoko question that is a bit OT for this channel ;) Apr 19 16:49:47 lol Apr 19 16:50:10 ah, line 23 Apr 19 16:50:17 seems that that is the problem Apr 19 16:50:45 didn't cesarb mention this earlier Apr 19 16:50:46 do you know what i means? Apr 19 16:51:11 [2008-04-19 14:52:46] error: short SHA1 4194 is ambiguous. Apr 19 16:51:11 [2008-04-19 14:52:47] fatal: Not a valid object name 4194 Apr 19 16:51:11 [2008-04-19 14:52:50] great... Apr 19 16:51:11 [2008-04-19 14:53:20] I *so* hoped the build-errors-every-second-build times were past Apr 19 16:51:21 [2008-04-19 14:56:45] ...great, so the build is using git but sane-srcrevs thinks it's using svn! Apr 19 16:51:39 no solution yet? Apr 19 16:53:02 the switch to git was only a few days ago, wasn't it? Apr 19 16:53:59 how do i clear up the git/svn confusion? Apr 19 16:54:15 Donson_: rewrite the mokomakefile Apr 19 16:55:21 woah.. Apr 19 16:55:47 although I've built it today without issues Apr 19 16:56:06 I building right now without issues, but with OE, not mokomakefile Apr 19 16:56:22 Donson_: are you doing an update first? Apr 19 16:56:27 make update Apr 19 16:56:28 ? Apr 19 16:56:30 yeah Apr 19 16:57:38 who is responsible for mokomakefile? Apr 19 16:58:49 rwhitby Apr 19 16:59:16 and he isn't online.. Apr 19 16:59:23 I suppose Apr 19 16:59:27 he's in Oz Apr 19 16:59:50 ah, ok Apr 19 16:59:53 :P Apr 19 17:00:05 it's probably very late or very early Apr 19 17:01:04 I want my Freerunner now ... or else ... Apr 19 17:01:07 I'll start headbanging Apr 19 17:01:20 CVirus: go ahead :P Apr 19 17:01:28 * CVirus starts headbanging Apr 19 17:01:53 * CVirus pushes edistar into a mosh pit Apr 19 17:03:41 www.myspace.com/dragonforce Apr 19 17:03:56 (creates a nice image) Apr 19 17:04:45 We should create some kind of bet of when it will be released :P Apr 19 17:06:27 spydon: the freerunner? Apr 19 17:06:32 * ScaredyCat places 1000 usd on 'sometime' Apr 19 17:06:34 yeah Apr 19 17:06:37 * edistar says 10 may Apr 19 17:16:02 ScaredyCat: I "fixed" it by changing sane-srcrevs to use AUTOREV for the relevant package (linux-openmoko) Apr 19 17:16:27 :D Apr 19 17:16:33 there you go Donson_ Apr 19 17:16:40 ScaredyCat: it's a "fresh" mokomakefile install (with the new mokomakefile from the projects site), so I'd expect it to "just work"... Apr 19 17:17:12 ScaredyCat: I'd suppose the buildhost is using AUTOREV for everything or something like that, so it didn't hit the issue Apr 19 17:17:12 yeah, but the change is fairly recent... Apr 19 17:18:52 http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/19/samsung-skips-the-touchscreen-patents-gesture-based-phone-inter/ Apr 19 17:19:01 ScaredyCat: I nuked my months-old build tree yesterday and started from scratch (after waiting HOURS while monotone downloaded the tree one kilobyte per second), fully expecting the stable tree to be... stable Apr 19 17:19:39 ScaredyCat: thanks for your help! but what did you do exactly? Apr 19 17:19:58 Donson_: cesarb did it not me :D Apr 19 17:20:15 cesarb: :/ Apr 19 17:20:46 I'm still lost on what changed Apr 19 17:21:05 Donson_: I edited the sane-srcrevs.inc file (which is where the bogus revision is) to use "${AUTOREV Apr 19 17:21:07 oops Apr 19 17:21:17 Donson_: I edited the sane-srcrevs.inc file (which is where the bogus revision is) to use "${AUTOREV}" instead of the wrong version for that package Apr 19 17:21:47 Donson_: probably will cause merge conflicts on a update later on, but I want to have it working so I can play with cpufreq more this holiday Apr 19 17:22:31 Donson_: the correct way probably would be to use mokomakefile's patching mechanism, but it was very late in the night and I didn't have the patience Apr 19 17:23:01 Donson_: and if I get a conflict I can simply nuke the OE tree and ask mokomakefile to create it again Apr 19 17:23:08 (that makefile is really useful!) Apr 19 17:26:53 cesarb: thank you. I think I did what you suggested Apr 19 17:26:59 I hope this works1 Apr 19 17:28:18 I replaced the linux-openmoko ?="4194" to ="{AUTOREV} Apr 19 17:36:47 Donson_: if it worked, it should start downloading the correct file from downloads.openmoko.org, and then go ahead instead of stopping with an error Apr 19 17:36:57 Donson_: if it is downloading the file, you know the trick worked Apr 19 17:41:00 Hi! I happen to have a GTA02v3 which I'd like to boot from SD... the thing is the person who gave it to me didn't have a debug board; is it possible to flash u-boot from userspace? Apr 19 17:45:26 m3: I thought it was possible to flash uboot from itself (with dfu-util). But do you really need to flash uboot to have boot from SD? (I've not been following the GTA02 uboot discussions) Apr 19 17:48:11 cesarb: it's a wild guess actually, I can't get the bootloader to show up on the screen or get a serial connection over USB to the bootloader. Apr 19 17:49:18 my understanding from the instructions in the wiki is that I take the battery out, unplug USB, wait 30 seconds, plug USB back in, press and hold AUX, press POWER for 4 seconds and that should display the u-boot menu on-screen... Apr 19 17:49:30 I think GTA02 differs Apr 19 17:49:46 it's got a boot ROM Apr 19 17:50:02 I don't know what's in there Apr 19 17:50:19 plus there are u-boots in NAND and in NOR iirc Apr 19 17:50:31 yup, that's right Apr 19 17:50:39 the one in NAND is probably flashed same way as GTA01 Apr 19 17:50:46 m3: the magic keypress sequence is different between GTA01 and GTA02, and I don't know the correct one for GTA02 Apr 19 17:51:16 the fullest instructions should be in the README files in werner's dfu-util directory in svn Apr 19 17:51:20 i think Apr 19 17:51:28 let me search for that... Apr 19 17:51:41 m3: and, to make things even more confusing, there are two different copies of u-boot, with slightly different key sequences, and the key sequences changes depending on which version of u-boot you have Apr 19 17:52:02 m3: it's no wonder they are pushing for a very small bootloader plus kexec ;-) Apr 19 17:53:27 which is part of the reason why I was thinking about flashing u-boot, because I'm not even sure which version I have here... Apr 19 17:58:34 strings /dev/mwhatever should tell you Apr 19 17:59:27 thos: X vs. cairo? What does that mean? Apr 19 17:59:34 GTA01 is sooo simpler... If AUX is pressed on boot, it's uboot, else it's normal boot Apr 19 18:02:54 well - there are only so many ways to hold 2 buttons on boot Apr 19 18:06:20 SpeedEvil: I recall reading on the mailing lists something like "hold power, wait for the backlight to flash, then hold aux" or something even more complicated Apr 19 18:12:20 strange... looking at the strings in the u-boot partition it says uboot 1.2.0; it also says GTA02v2 Apr 19 18:12:43 on the PCB I see GTA02_A4 Apr 19 18:12:54 and I was told it's a GTA02v3 Apr 19 18:13:27 and /proc/cpuinfo says Revision: 0302 Apr 19 18:14:31 m3: that's what you get for using a prerelease hardware ;-) Apr 19 18:14:41 isn't that fun? :-) Apr 19 18:14:48 s/a prerelease/prerelease/ Apr 19 18:15:02 * cesarb waits for apt to correct him Apr 19 18:15:40 m3: 1.2.0 is not the full version, IIRC almost all uboot versions OM uses are 1.2.0-verylongstringofrandomnumbers Apr 19 19:12:27 edistar: is the angstrom minimal om image not an OM Image? Apr 19 19:13:19 or what did you mean by OM image....hm seems i got to search the wiki for "download" Apr 19 19:13:31 :) Apr 19 19:28:06 hi all Apr 19 19:28:39 is there anyone willing and able to help me getting openmoko running on my HTC magician? Apr 19 19:28:56 i did the following: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/index.html Apr 19 19:29:29 tom1502: #HTC-Linux might be a bit more helpful Apr 19 19:29:47 CVirus, thank you! Apr 19 19:30:06 no problem Apr 19 19:30:47 can anyone tell me if the freeRunners touchscreen is like the one from the iphone (don know if capacitive is the right translation), so that only light touching is necessary?! Apr 19 19:32:53 no Apr 19 19:33:01 no?! Apr 19 19:33:11 unfortunately :'( Apr 19 19:42:11 It's resistive Apr 19 19:42:20 and needs maybe 1g to activate Apr 19 19:47:39 SpeedEvil, do you know HTS Herald f.e.? likely to that touchscreen? Apr 19 19:52:49 1g as in 1 gram? Apr 19 19:53:04 i guess so... Apr 19 20:08:21 no, and yes Apr 19 20:08:44 I could measure it I suppose. Apr 19 20:37:37 broedje: no, angstrom is different.. it uses gnome UI afaik Apr 19 20:37:46 broedje: OM has written its own UI Apr 19 20:40:35 After months with a very old image, I install a new one, and... the new keyboard is much better than the old one, but how do I get a slash? Apr 19 20:41:03 (a tab for tab-completion would also be very nice) Apr 19 20:44:50 yes i also think tab-completion is a nice feature Apr 19 20:52:55 seriously, I need a slash (for cd /sys/.../cpu0/cpufreq/...), but I could fake it if I had tab completion! Apr 19 20:53:22 (and I can't use USB, since cpufreq locks up the USB device block for some reason) Apr 19 21:16:31 i need a slash but ive been drinking Apr 19 21:22:25 hm, rwhitby isn't idling? Apr 19 21:22:51 Now that I have a patch to mokomakefile (http://www.pastebin.ca/989933) for him Apr 19 21:28:53 and to those who haven't still found happiness... Apr 19 21:28:54 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2996 Apr 19 22:07:02 whee time to rebuild Apr 19 23:07:38 XorA|gone: rwhitby told me by email I should direct this to you: the path to dfu-util has changed and mokomakefile needs to be updated to follow the change, I have a patch at http://www.pastebin.ca/989933 Apr 19 23:22:16 hey all Apr 19 23:26:11 ..... Apr 19 23:26:18 hello crib Apr 19 23:35:15 ...... Apr 19 23:35:34 Racksor: hi Apr 19 23:35:41 bored? Apr 19 23:39:44 yea Apr 19 23:39:46 got nothin Apr 19 23:39:53 any idea when the PVT will finish? Apr 19 23:40:43 Racksor: I guess end of april Apr 19 23:41:51 hopefully, right after that we'll be able to buy the device? Apr 19 23:41:55 or will there be more tests :p Apr 19 23:42:06 no, that'll be the last tests afaik Apr 19 23:42:12 great Apr 19 23:42:24 u getting one? Apr 19 23:42:31 definitely, yes Apr 19 23:43:54 ahh, so there, that let off some steam Apr 19 23:44:22 :) Apr 19 23:44:49 anyone here got experience with nokia770 and OE? Apr 20 00:47:30 stefan_schmidt: you're leaving OM? :-/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 20 02:59:56 2008