**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 26 02:59:57 2008 Apr 26 06:16:24 Hi I am downloading moko set using "make setup" from command promt it gives me Error like "mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1" Does anybody face the same problem ? Any solution ? Apr 26 06:34:14 atul_: it either means the openmoko monotone server is down, or your firewall does not allow the mtn protocol to pass Apr 26 06:35:19 rwhitby, It says me like this mtn: calculating migration... Apr 26 06:35:19 mtn: no migration performed; database schema already up-to-date Apr 26 06:35:19 mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication Apr 26 06:35:19 mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org Apr 26 06:35:19 mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1 may be server is down Apr 26 06:36:17 I can connect to the server fine from here. Have you ever connected to it from that machine before, or is this the first time? Apr 26 06:44:39 atul_: not interested in going further? Apr 26 06:47:11 atul_, how old is your build? Apr 26 06:49:12 mbuf, am trying form start, It it just first time that am trying Apr 26 06:50:32 atul_, you mean a fresh build, after cleaning up old ~/moko directory? Apr 26 06:51:28 mbuf, yes it is fresh build and I dont have old build on my machine Apr 26 09:06:30 hi there. Apr 26 09:16:15 hi bedboi Apr 26 10:13:49 clear Apr 26 10:15:59 /quit Apr 26 10:17:12 /clear Apr 26 10:17:13 :P Apr 26 10:23:46 charging Apr 26 10:23:56 your lazuh? Apr 26 10:24:03 :D Apr 26 10:55:19 Hi, I know at the moment it is all about GTA02, but who decided to use xserver-kdrive as preferred provider, though that one is _not_ crosscompilable or to be precise not even configurable for cross compilation? Apr 26 10:56:03 Just as sated in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016197.html (and obviously by some other person before) Apr 26 10:57:25 that's strange because i crosscompiled kdrive at least once Apr 26 10:57:31 i know people who do every day Apr 26 10:58:11 hmm, well I tracked it down to the sgml checking part in configure Apr 26 11:00:57 that is really strange Apr 26 11:01:15 probably a recent development Apr 26 11:02:33 that's what I really hate about OE, there are to many recipies that are just checked in without proper verification Apr 26 11:07:05 you're probably welcome to help maintaining them Apr 26 11:12:37 I'd do it, if I had the time, but working in a small startup is too time consuming Apr 26 11:14:02 and it is all about time (take monotone as an example for one of the worst time wasting versioning systems I know, yeah I know it's getting faster every version *cough*) Apr 26 11:16:13 yes, i hope they can switch soon Apr 26 11:16:47 unfortunately nobody suggested any real time frame, still seems to be just an idea Apr 26 11:20:42 i hope that too, as oe itself is a really good concept Apr 26 11:33:23 can anyone help me with a one-liner? I have a lot of lines like this: "4 Apr 26 12:48:15 blah postfix/smtpd[10615]: connect from unknown[111.111.111.111]" and I want to display it like "4 111.111.111.111" Apr 26 11:34:25 is it possible with sed? I know how to use "cut" but I wan't to keep those 2 fields in 1 place Apr 26 11:38:53 awk -F '[[\] ' '{print $1,$(NF-1)}' Apr 26 11:39:42 if that's tab seperated, you'll need to make that space after teh first argument a tab Apr 26 11:40:27 In short - break the line into fields seperated by either spaces or the chars [], print the first field, print the field before the last one. Apr 26 11:42:46 well, I can do the similar with cut, break into spaces, but it would leave me with "4 unknown[111.111.111.111]" Apr 26 11:43:04 awk is on the neo anyway. Apr 26 11:44:41 hmm Apr 26 11:46:42 you can do with sed also but awk is the right tool for the task Apr 26 11:46:50 not sure hwo that's related to openmoko though Apr 26 11:48:39 well, I didn't know that offtopics are a big nono around here.. Apr 26 11:48:54 atleast I'm talking about free software Apr 26 11:49:19 ok, i guess they aren't :) Apr 26 11:49:55 <`pwgen`> # Apr 26 12:08:49 hello everyone Apr 26 12:09:31 saurabh1403: hi Apr 26 12:09:57 saurabh1403, #openmoko-gsoc Apr 26 12:11:28 hi edistar Apr 26 12:11:44 hi sup3rkiddo Apr 26 12:12:05 i need some help actually Apr 26 12:12:37 i have to work on speech recognition facility for open moko, but before that i want to be comfortable with open moko platform Apr 26 12:12:52 so can someone tell me how to start for this Apr 26 12:12:53 saurabh1403, yep Apr 26 12:13:26 saurabh1403, the wiki has some really wonderful howtos Apr 26 12:14:29 saurabh1403, start as in setting up the toolchain? Apr 26 12:14:34 ok Apr 26 12:15:15 unfortunatly the downloadable toolchain is old Apr 26 12:15:29 and current meta-openmoko-toolchain is broken Apr 26 12:15:33 so where can i get the new one from Apr 26 12:15:56 saurabh1403, not sure, I think you need to mail openmoko-devel asking if anyone will make one Apr 26 12:16:57 ok i will..thanks...but one more thing i want to confirm that is the tool chain for GTA01 and GTA02 very different..if i am not wrong i will have to work on GTA02 Apr 26 12:17:19 same Apr 26 12:17:21 the toolchain is identical Apr 26 12:17:28 ok Apr 26 12:17:37 all that changes is the exact details of the graphics driver. Apr 26 12:17:56 so i will now try to build the tool chain and read the open moko wiki pages more Apr 26 12:21:18 mickeyl, who is in charge of the toolchain now? Apr 26 12:21:27 mickeyl, seems johnyclee is no longer on OE stuff? Apr 26 12:21:57 thos: no idea. Graeme or Julian Apr 26 12:22:04 best ask Wolfgang, he should know about the assignments Apr 26 13:42:12 mickeyl, what's julian's email? Apr 26 13:42:57 i don't know offhand Apr 26 13:43:02 check the taipei office directory Apr 26 13:43:21 * thos wonders how to do that Apr 26 13:43:33 open epiphany Apr 26 13:43:34 well, i'll send to openmoko-devel anyway Apr 26 13:43:40 heh, fair enough Apr 26 13:44:49 mickeyl, did you see the QT 4.4 video on neo? Apr 26 13:44:56 yea Apr 26 13:45:05 mickeyl, looks like it was running on a framebuffer? Apr 26 13:45:09 of course Apr 26 13:45:15 :) Apr 26 13:45:26 shame Apr 26 13:45:40 mickeyl, have you see the QT4 dance video? Apr 26 13:45:44 well :) Apr 26 13:46:40 i think the jury is still out on that Apr 26 13:46:40 *g* Apr 26 13:46:40 thos: sure thing, that was fun Apr 26 13:49:02 mwester: blah Apr 26 13:53:37 mwester: http://pastebin.ca/998379 Apr 26 13:57:13 mickeyl, shame the QT video didn't demonstrate anything useful though Apr 26 13:58:03 but I guess useful stuff is normally boring Apr 26 13:58:26 well Apr 26 13:58:43 if people have no ideas, they go eyecandy only :/ Apr 26 14:02:17 well, eyecandy is for managers ;-) so it is totally normal that in a "demonstration video" you'll never ever find something useful Apr 26 14:14:19 ScaredyCat: looks good; no signs of overrun. However there's still one part of the fix that isn't enabled, so you may still have a resume failure. Apr 26 14:14:47 echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/knob Apr 26 14:15:01 Turns the "magic knob" to the on position... Apr 26 14:15:04 my problem atm is that it resumes too often, as you said it might Apr 26 14:15:14 ok will do that now Apr 26 14:16:04 ok, my knob is ready Apr 26 14:16:07 :P Apr 26 14:16:25 The "Ps" lines are for suspend processing, the characters indicate when the Serial port suspend code is active, followed by the reset (enter and exit are "I" and "J" respectivly), and the "G" is when the GSM suspend code runs. Apr 26 14:16:59 ah good.. Apr 26 14:17:06 mwester: where is that kernel again? Apr 26 14:17:15 the "Pr" are resume processing, which is in the reverse order. When the "I" or "J" appear in the lower-case, that indicates that hardware-flow-control was turned off in the driver (which shouldn't happen, but does!) Apr 26 14:17:52 the "S" line is a special event code, trying to track down the flow-control issue; the "M" are in the termio setting code. Apr 26 14:19:24 The final "Pr" lines show exiting the resume handling in the serial driver with a capital J (flow control turned on), and then the "wXz" is the GSM code which schedules a small task to run later, that switches the GPIO back to the UART (after all the ditties to fix up the UART's flow control). Apr 26 14:19:26 ah http://moko.mwester.net/ Apr 26 14:19:41 It's 'the kernel below' ? Apr 26 14:20:21 There is still a problem possible, for whatever reason as soon as the flow control is switched ("wXz" line), a burst of characters can arrive, and if >16, the GSM does not appear to respond to the UART's flow control attempts, and an overrun occurs. Apr 26 14:21:04 The last "knob" setting enables a callback into the serial driver where it runs a routine reading characters from the UART in a tight loop after enabling the flow control. Apr 26 14:21:31 If any characters are read from this loop, they will be bracketed by lines like: "S [" and "S ]" in the log... Apr 26 14:21:47 It doesn't happen often, as most GSM messages are < 16 characters. Apr 26 14:24:31 Is there a command we can issue from the command line to make gsmd tell the GSM we're no longer interested in signal quality reports? We can graft that into the suspend processing... Apr 26 14:25:08 nope, gsmd design didn't take such things into account Apr 26 14:25:40 i had proposed on the list that the future design only enables signal quality reports if any of the clients on dbus is subscribed to them Apr 26 14:25:43 Sigh. Apr 26 14:26:06 mwester: yes Apr 26 14:26:24 mwester: in terms of a raw at command - if gsmd doesn't countermand Apr 26 14:26:36 Ok - /me flashed. Apr 26 14:26:44 Oh, you mean just send a raw AT command? That's ugly. Apr 26 14:26:45 uImage-2.6.24+git20080425-r0-mw06-om-gta01.bin Apr 26 14:26:48 yes Apr 26 14:27:02 the point of using gsmd is not having to send AT commands :) Apr 26 14:27:08 Exactly. Apr 26 14:27:17 I nmean using gsmds atcmd interface Apr 26 14:27:29 And yes - in principle I agree with you. Apr 26 14:27:34 Nasty hacks are a bit different. Apr 26 14:28:06 Well, it's an ugly hack, but perhaps it can be made to work. What code actually issues the suspend,and does it do it via the apmd or echo mem >/sys/power/... Apr 26 14:31:48 Wehre does the debug output come out? Apr 26 14:36:22 You need to enable it: echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/nspy_enable Apr 26 14:36:58 Then do cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/nspy_buffer Apr 26 14:37:38 If you see overrun occuring on resume, or you just proactively wish to avoid that, turn on the ugly horrible hack with: Apr 26 14:38:00 echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/knob Apr 26 14:38:16 I put the first line in my /etc/init.d/gsmd Apr 26 14:38:51 You will have to repeatedly do the "cat" command, as the /sys interface is limited in how much can be output at any one time,and the internal debug buffer is fairly large. Apr 26 14:39:14 (I'll add a readme to go along with the kernel...) Apr 26 14:39:20 Handy. Apr 26 14:39:31 I can trigger events by putting my phone in one position Apr 26 14:39:36 so I've no need to call it Apr 26 14:40:22 http://pastebin.org/32157 Apr 26 14:43:04 Yep, but the real test is when you get a big burst of data from the GSM to wake the phone; that's where it would croak. Apr 26 14:43:23 * SpeedEvil considers how to provoke that. Apr 26 14:43:27 I've found incoming calls do that, but SMS messages seem to do it most reliably for me. Apr 26 14:43:53 * mwester just added another $25 to his pre-paid account so he can keep debugging this :( Apr 26 14:44:04 * SpeedEvil ponders. Apr 26 14:44:43 Oh, BTW -- careful with the cut and pastes to pastebin, the logs will include phone numbers and anything else sent to the GSM!! Apr 26 14:44:50 yeah Apr 26 14:48:33 * SpeedEvil experiments with free web text services. Apr 26 14:59:25 Ok - I don't understand the SMS app. Apr 26 14:59:39 I go to 'messages' and it lists 'unknown sender' Apr 26 14:59:45 how do I read this message? Apr 26 15:14:44 SpeedEvil, how many messages does it say there are? Apr 26 15:15:11 SpeedEvil, Messages is contacts based, rather than Inbox/Sent box based Apr 26 15:15:22 no Apr 26 15:15:45 And I don't get any notification on the home screen of a new SMS Apr 26 15:15:47 hmm Apr 26 15:15:52 Maybe I should try a new build. Apr 26 15:15:55 SpeedEvil, no what? Apr 26 15:16:05 I didn't say anything incorrect Apr 26 15:16:06 no - I just get 'unknown sender' Apr 26 15:16:19 SpeedEvil, unknown sender is the "catch all" Apr 26 15:16:21 I mean - it doesn't say how many messages there are Apr 26 15:16:33 SpeedEvil, it should do, right under where it says Unkown Sender Apr 26 15:16:39 Nope. Apr 26 15:16:39 it'll probably say "0 Messages" Apr 26 15:16:50 SpeedEvil, scap it and show me? Apr 26 15:17:35 * SpeedEvil ponders where a screencap is. Apr 26 15:17:44 SpeedEvil, hold down aux button Apr 26 15:18:38 then navigate to the screencap app? Apr 26 15:18:48 no, press "take screenshot" Apr 26 15:18:59 ah Apr 26 15:20:23 http://www.mauve.plus.com/screenshot-1.png Apr 26 15:20:25 http://www.mauve.plus.com/Screenshot-1.png Apr 26 15:21:27 SpeedEvil, odd, I wonder if the theme settings have messed it up somehow Apr 26 15:21:36 SpeedEvil, anyway, the message listing is on the next tab Apr 26 15:21:52 the one at the bottom-middle? Apr 26 15:21:57 yes Apr 26 15:22:23 I then get a selection box with 'all' at the top - empty Apr 26 15:22:28 and no list underneath Apr 26 15:22:38 well Apr 26 15:22:44 that means it hasn't picked up any messages Apr 26 15:22:45 I suppose I may have screwed something up. Apr 26 15:22:57 I reckon 50/50 between you and the software ;-) Apr 26 15:23:20 soemthing is - the at logs from the mwester thing show something reading the incoming messages Apr 26 15:23:42 I suppose I can try a new build. Apr 26 15:23:43 well, PhoneKit should read them and display a message Apr 26 15:23:53 then you can view them in Messages Apr 26 15:23:55 at least, that's the idea Apr 26 15:23:59 yeah Apr 26 15:24:01 If the incoming text message has an "@" symbol in it, it will be truncated. Apr 26 15:24:06 noep Apr 26 15:24:11 well - not before encoding Apr 26 15:24:50 (Whenever I get a text from the web-based services or the email gateways, I see only the first few letters and the rest is cut off,which happens to be the entire body of the message :( Apr 26 15:24:54 ) Apr 26 15:25:10 mwester, sounds like a bug ;-) Apr 26 15:25:19 I think so...;) Apr 26 15:25:25 filed it in bugzilla? Apr 26 15:26:38 hi wolfgang_spraul Apr 26 15:26:47 hi Apr 26 15:30:17 dcordes: he he, just want to say hello? Apr 26 15:30:19 jserv--: hi there! Apr 26 15:30:21 :-) Apr 26 15:30:50 jserv--: how are you? Apr 26 15:35:42 wolfgang_spraul: of course! Apr 26 15:35:54 how are you? Apr 26 15:36:23 good, thanks Apr 26 15:40:21 mwester - looks like it's still resuming, alhtough it seems to be waking up on its own Apr 26 15:41:44 how's recent images, thinink of flasing something newer than a feb rel thats running on my moko Apr 26 15:42:54 kinneh, LOTS of improvements since feb Apr 26 15:43:27 ScaredyCat: Got a log? Apr 26 15:43:37 ya Apr 26 15:43:55 ScaredyCat: On my list is to instrument the GSM wakeup interrupt so that we have a definitive record of why the device resumed... Apr 26 15:45:01 http://pastebin.ca/998453 Apr 26 15:45:19 I put a readme that shows how to use some of the controls and stuff along with the kernel, FYI. Apr 26 15:45:42 I've been out for the last 45 mins.. i did the cat when I got back Apr 26 15:45:53 ah ok, will read that Apr 26 15:46:23 ScaredyCat: All the resume events in that log are due to incoming signal quality reports from the GSM. Apr 26 15:46:52 righ, which is what is expected.. Apr 26 15:46:53 (look for the string bracketed by "S [" and "S ]" -- that's what woke it up. Apr 26 15:46:59 ) Apr 26 15:47:28 We need to find a way to bludgeon gsmd into turning that off on suspend, and reenabling on resume. Apr 26 16:54:45 fyi: This thing is sexy :P Apr 26 17:38:05 hello, any body know if openmoko will be released before middle of the year ? Apr 26 17:44:10 epsino: noone knows definitely but it's quite likely if you ask me Apr 26 17:46:57 openmoko will release a final user phone ? or the goal is develop a platform to providers that make phones ? Apr 26 17:47:06 eventually Apr 26 17:47:19 It's nowhwere close to end user ready yet Apr 26 17:48:27 ok... i think that the "time" is very important for the openmoko success Apr 26 17:48:37 True. Apr 26 17:48:43 so, i worried about it Apr 26 17:50:28 ok... i hope that openmoko will see the light soon... Apr 26 17:50:38 SpeedEvil: You serious that the software side of things is no where near end user ready? Apr 26 17:51:00 Yes. Apr 26 17:51:11 bugger Apr 26 17:51:23 I mean - assuming the user expects more than a basic phone, with the ability to install linux apps. Apr 26 17:51:36 It's got no 'whizzy' stuff yet. Apr 26 17:51:44 SpeedEvil: And, basic phone + pim? Apr 26 17:52:10 I haven't tried using the PIM stuff as yet. Apr 26 17:53:06 okie Apr 26 17:53:46 But, it's certainly not at the stage where you can hand it to a random user, and they'll think they've gotten their moneys worth. Apr 26 17:54:03 fair enough Apr 26 17:54:29 SpeedEvil: well, if you're used to wm.. Apr 26 18:40:52 mickey_away: is there any particular reason the libssp isn't compiled... Apr 26 18:47:15 can anyone help me? http://nopaste.org/p/atJZ12Jft Apr 26 18:47:40 problem with openmoko-alsa-scenarios Apr 26 19:29:09 openmoko-alsa-scenario doesn't seem to be able to build atm? can someone reproduce that? Apr 26 19:33:20 edistar: define doesnt seem to build, it doesnt build anything Apr 26 19:35:55 XorA|gone: the bb file doesn't seem to exist Apr 26 19:36:23 edistar: oh no Apr 26 19:36:49 XorA|gone: so then the build fails obv. Apr 26 19:37:04 edistar: I shall be annoyed if someone deleted it Apr 26 19:37:15 XorA|gone: can you check? :) Apr 26 19:37:32 edistar: am doing, need couple mins to boot my machine Apr 26 19:37:53 edistar: using org.openmoko.dev branch? Apr 26 19:37:57 XorA|gone: yes I am Apr 26 19:38:01 XorA|gone: thanks a lot :) Apr 26 19:38:08 edistar: cool, was just double checking Apr 26 19:53:23 XorA|gone: found out yet? Apr 26 19:54:22 edistar: its still there, in the repo Apr 26 19:54:56 ls packages/openmoko2/openmoko-alsa-scenarios.bb Apr 26 19:55:02 XorA|gone: http://nopaste.org/p/akkAK1W26 Apr 26 19:55:24 "nokia770" Apr 26 19:55:37 XorA|gone: might that be a problem? Apr 26 19:55:37 thats why, openmoko-alsa-scenarios doesnt support that machine Apr 26 19:55:57 XorA|gone: hm, can I somehow get round that? Apr 26 19:56:13 edistar: remove the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE line from the .bb file Apr 26 19:57:00 XorA|gone: cool, thanks Apr 26 19:57:12 no probs, back to tv for me Apr 26 20:03:18 XorA|gone: still there? Apr 26 22:21:33 hmm, silly question but does openmoko have a mail app that supports imap-idle or whatever its called? Apr 26 22:26:57 * anrp detects patent land Apr 26 22:28:31 hmm? Apr 26 23:00:20 t_s_o: You may find that some thing like sylpheed is built for the openmoko which almost certainly does support the idled protocol for imap Apr 26 23:00:42 ok Apr 26 23:00:47 t_s_o: however I don't think there is any mokofied mail applications that are close release, they are still concentrating on other things Apr 26 23:01:20 hmm, thats a bit worrisome as it seems that push email is the big thing on mobile devices these days... Apr 26 23:01:45 t_s_o: it always has been (though rarely has it been well implemented) Apr 26 23:02:34 heh, maybe so. i just read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/technology/27rim.html Apr 26 23:02:43 * mwester so loves to read lengthy emails on a teensy tiney itty bitty little display... Apr 26 23:02:48 and wondered what openmoko could present in that area... Apr 26 23:03:09 mwester: especially if its in some ms format :P Apr 26 23:03:17 Well, I don't think it will be targeted at that sort of market Apr 26 23:03:31 Yeah, my customers use with Word, or the "enlightened" ones (sigh) use PDF. Apr 26 23:03:36 s/with// Apr 26 23:03:36 mwester meant: Yeah, my customers use Word, or the "enlightened" ones (sigh) use PDF. Apr 26 23:04:14 RIM was the big player for business mobiles, who wanted email on the go (and contacts), however with microsoft exchange 2007, and micrsoft mobile, on the exchange freaks will be pushing that. Apr 26 23:04:14 I'm hoping for something simpler; which would be for the Neo to just be a bluetooth gateway for my laptop. Apr 26 23:04:43 wibbit: well it seems that push mail is moving into private hands to. gmail anyone? Apr 26 23:05:15 mwester: thats a bad bet as it does not even do edge. as in, poor poor speed... Apr 26 23:05:36 i still think it will be a while till those things really matter, and, if my understanding is not wrong, the moko guys have one or two other things that they'll be concentrating on for a while. Apr 26 23:05:42 I know, but I'm in the US, so it's about as good as it's gonna get out here in my patch. Apr 26 23:05:48 I think things like usable gps would be more imporant than push email Apr 26 23:06:00 (I travel about the midwest; some areas are lucky to have cell service at all) Apr 26 23:06:20 well i guess that openmoko is so flexible that it will adapt as things change ;) Apr 26 23:06:25 Now the GPS would be useful indeed. Apr 26 23:06:34 t_s_o: May be mwester doesn't have a wireless card in the laptop, and he wants to use the neo as a gateway to the wireless router, and bluetooth to the legacy laptop? :) Apr 26 23:06:57 :D Nah, gta01 -- no wireless in it either. Apr 26 23:07:28 usb wireless module plugged in to the gta01? and then use that :) Apr 26 23:07:43 heh, mobile coverage is about the only area where im glad to be european. still, i think im in one of the contrys with worst umts coverage right now :( Apr 26 23:10:39 luckily that doesn't matter for the neo! Apr 26 23:11:01 anyway, what're the better options than europe? south africa? :] Apr 26 23:12:33 ? Apr 26 23:14:03 hey, at least you have umts Apr 26 23:14:31 o'er here in the good ol' you-ess of a, we got almost nuthin' Apr 26 23:14:33 * anrp >_> Apr 26 23:14:59 at&t has some umts Apr 26 23:15:07 and....that's it (for umts) Apr 26 23:15:15 verizon does have a decent network, but its anything but open Apr 26 23:15:40 crap, looks like my isp is having issues with dns again :( Apr 27 01:39:57 i'm looking for a a780 kernel which provides console, dialer and power management. am i too demanding? or is therwe one? atm i test the gpe r14 with angstrom and it seems to have the first criteria... but Apr 27 01:42:06 rwhitby: Hi Rod, I noticed an issue with Mokomake on my machine- the location of dfu-util and the name of the devel image are different than what is set in the Makefile Apr 27 01:42:34 cibomahto: ah, yes. I need to fix that. Apr 27 01:42:44 rwhitby: I reported it at the project page (http://projects.openmoko.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=41&group_id=11&atid=125), but i'm not sure if that gets looked at, so I wanted to mention it to you as well Apr 27 01:42:57 thx Apr 27 01:43:22 I'll try and get to it today. Apr 27 01:43:38 rwhitby: Ok, cool :-). Is projects.openmoko.org a good place to report issues? Apr 27 01:43:59 yeah, I just need to get it to notify me :-) Apr 27 01:44:01 np: Starship - We built this image on gcc 3.4.6 Apr 27 01:45:44 Ok, thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 27 02:59:57 2008