**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 27 02:59:57 2008 Apr 27 03:39:46 mickey_away: what are the ramifications of changing neod to use "apm -s" instead of writing "mem" to /sys/power/state ? Apr 27 03:51:59 apm is another process - that AIUI does a ioctl on /proc/apm Apr 27 03:52:04 apmd Apr 27 03:52:54 I think they then - on the neo - kick off the same process Apr 27 06:23:52 new neod, and some apm scripts on http://moko.mwester.net/ --- if they work right, the gta01 should stay suspended longer with fewer unsolicited messages while in suspend mode. Apr 27 06:24:09 Still some resume problems exist, and there are a few race conditions that need to be closed up. Apr 27 06:24:30 Can somebody tell me why there are TWO 3d accelerometers LIS302DL in the freerunner? Apr 27 06:24:44 But I'm hoping we can at least finally get closer to answering the question "How long might the battery really last when used as a normal phone?".... Apr 27 07:19:32 mwester: does any of this change the charging ? Apr 27 07:23:42 my neo battery totally flat this morning while plugged into usb Apr 27 07:25:06 i sat on it Apr 27 07:25:09 i made it flat Apr 27 07:27:56 you must be fat Apr 27 07:28:04 to make it flat Apr 27 07:28:07 phat man Apr 27 07:28:08 phat Apr 27 07:28:11 let us emerge a new kind of jokes - raster jokes Apr 27 07:28:20 :) Apr 27 07:28:23 how many rasters do you need to screw in a lightbulb? Apr 27 07:28:30 17 Apr 27 07:28:44 17 northerners Apr 27 07:28:46 or maybe Apr 27 07:29:00 "Depends howmany reefers they have had" Apr 27 07:29:15 or maybe just Apr 27 07:29:17 "yo momma" Apr 27 07:29:19 :) Apr 27 07:29:24 -.- Apr 27 07:29:35 i /love/ sunday mornings! \o/ Apr 27 07:29:39 hahaha Apr 27 07:29:43 none, it's a hardware problem Apr 27 07:29:52 ScaredyCat, bwhahaha! Apr 27 07:29:53 :-D Apr 27 07:34:06 i love hardware problems Apr 27 07:34:08 they are my friends Apr 27 07:34:16 ... Apr 27 07:34:18 NOT Apr 27 07:35:08 Good Morning people Apr 27 07:35:46 CVirus: moo Apr 27 07:35:56 boo Apr 27 07:37:07 * raster shrieks and runs for cover Apr 27 07:37:19 hehe Apr 27 08:26:19 what is openmoko? and also can I make money off of openMoki? Apr 27 08:27:38 ? Apr 27 08:28:11 lawl Apr 27 08:28:34 wtf ? Apr 27 08:28:51 echo "troll off" > craig2008__ Apr 27 08:31:11 why would u ask if u can make money from it if u dont even know what it is? Apr 27 08:31:20 and for that matter... making money is up to you Apr 27 08:31:29 not for others to figure out for you Apr 27 08:31:31 :) Apr 27 08:34:00 ya but i'm just putting it out there. Apr 27 08:34:35 things with open in them are often free and involve source code. Apr 27 08:35:12 omfg Apr 27 08:35:15 lulz Apr 27 08:35:25 craig2008__: are you being stupid just for teh lulz ? Apr 27 08:37:36 no i'm so real that fake butter wont even faze me. Apr 27 08:40:29 craig2008__: and what has that got to do with making money? Apr 27 08:41:01 craig2008__: looks like you don't know much about the interbutt Apr 27 08:41:58 CVirus: isn't it the unternude? Apr 27 08:41:58 no I don't ride the butt network. Apr 27 08:42:00 i mean come on Apr 27 08:42:14 it only exists as a porn-transfer-protocol really Apr 27 08:42:32 lol Apr 27 08:42:39 ptp?? Apr 27 08:43:27 indeed Apr 27 08:43:29 PTP Apr 27 08:43:38 lulz Apr 27 08:44:26 what's a troll on echo? Apr 27 08:45:28 echo? Apr 27 08:45:48 craig2008__: man echo Apr 27 08:46:11 man echo Apr 27 08:46:40 fuck off Apr 27 08:47:30 * raster is confused and goes back to wondering were in this 7300+ line c file to sneak in grouping arrangement Apr 27 08:48:47 * CVirus resumes what he was doing Apr 27 08:49:03 openmoko confuses me as to what use there is for it. when I have a mobile device I want the processing and storage served and my device to be simple as a dumb terminal. Apr 27 08:50:56 Does anyone remember April 20th? It was a pretty remarkable day. Apr 27 08:51:34 openmoko is a company Apr 27 08:51:46 it is also a software distribution based on openembedded Apr 27 08:51:58 this distribution is targetted for 2 hardware devices Apr 27 08:52:08 a prototype (gta01) i.e. neo1973 Apr 27 08:52:18 and a freerunner (gta02). Apr 27 08:52:24 gta01 was out and sold - but out of stock now. Apr 27 08:52:32 gta02 is in final hardware production stages Apr 27 08:52:38 and should be for sale soon Apr 27 08:52:55 it is a device with a phone, wifi, bluetooth, vga screen, 400mhz samsng cpu etc. etc. Apr 27 08:52:59 u can read the specs yourself Apr 27 08:53:14 what the device does - is up to you Apr 27 08:53:19 its an open software platform Apr 27 08:53:42 u can program it from th every ground up so it isnt just "write a small java applet for your phone" platform that 90% of phones are Apr 27 08:53:59 unlike wince/windows mobile u can also entirely replace core bits of the OS, Ui etc. easily Apr 27 08:54:05 with all source provided for you to do that Apr 27 08:54:10 it's up to you what you make of it Apr 27 08:54:19 so u need a different mindset Apr 27 08:54:28 dont think of it the way u think of a normal phone Apr 27 08:54:55 think of it as a device opening the door to limitless possibilities only limited by your imagination and programming skills Apr 27 08:55:09 raster: and the hardware :> Apr 27 08:55:15 well said - let us archive this in the wiki somewhere :-) Apr 27 08:55:25 (and well the usual hardware limitations like you only have so much ram, flash space, pixels on the screen, etc. etc.) Apr 27 08:55:38 what I really want is a single device to use as a competitive higher quality camera and video recording device, portable audio player, gps all in one unit. It can take seperate batteries if it has to and have wi-fi internet. As an added bonus it should act as a taser for self defense. Apr 27 08:55:45 every device has limitations - hardware-wise Apr 27 08:55:49 * polz really feels like trolling right now Apr 27 08:55:54 freerunner and neo1973 are no exceptions Apr 27 08:56:04 but unlike everything else - artificial software limits are NOT imposed Apr 27 08:56:12 freerunner lacks the taser iirc :P Apr 27 08:56:21 josch: hardware limit :) Apr 27 08:56:30 that's true. And the official developers are extremely helpful. Apr 27 08:56:51 yeah - we tend to tell you if something is broken hardwae-wise Apr 27 08:56:52 and how Apr 27 08:56:57 we dont covering it up Apr 27 08:57:02 or if software is not complete Apr 27 08:57:07 or whatever Apr 27 08:57:18 we strive to make sure you know what it is you are getting Apr 27 08:57:18 craig2008__: you forgot that it should also contain an anti-gravity thruster so you can use it as a skate-puck Apr 27 08:57:22 raster @ nerdrage :P Apr 27 08:57:28 this is NOTan iphone competitor Apr 27 08:57:35 we are not tyring to be Apr 27 08:57:51 so dont expect the most cutting edge amazing hardware for cheap Apr 27 08:57:53 raster: when is gta03 supposed to come out ? Apr 27 08:58:04 polz, lolol Apr 27 08:58:04 we dont have the purchasing power in volume to do that Apr 27 08:58:21 polz: one thing we dont talk about is future product spcs and reelase schedules Apr 27 08:58:24 polz, Apr 27 08:58:25 :) Apr 27 08:58:31 hehe Apr 27 08:58:35 sersiously a camera that takes like 8mega pixels and also acts as a flash light. Apr 27 08:58:40 u may see some specs for possible hardware discussed on our open hardware list Apr 27 08:58:42 nobody sane does Apr 27 08:58:45 especially release schudeles :P Apr 27 08:58:49 craig2008__: we have no camera Apr 27 08:58:54 (discusses unreleased/future products) Apr 27 08:58:57 raster: oh, come on, gta01 was announced 1 year in advance, gta02 - about 6 months in advance Apr 27 08:59:06 polz: that was a stupid idea Apr 27 08:59:14 polz: and gta02 was announced even before gta01 was selling Apr 27 08:59:18 it was a most STUPID move Apr 27 08:59:22 utterly idiotic Apr 27 08:59:24 is anyone willing to part with their brain and donate it to me? Apr 27 08:59:26 and we regret doing it Apr 27 08:59:39 craig2008__: megapizelsis a myth Apr 27 08:59:40 raster: I think it was announced about a week after gta01 started selling Apr 27 08:59:49 the neo became more and more like the duke... Apr 27 08:59:53 craig2008__: unlss u have a mazzive lend and huge sizes ccd to match Apr 27 09:00:04 1-2mpixels on the lens u find in a normal camera is more than enough Apr 27 09:01:15 sadly the megapixel war has come to cameraphones too and you see more and more of these tiny sensors with far more pixels than you really need or want on devices that really don't have the processing power to effectively chew on images that size. Apr 27 09:01:49 the lens and ccd sizes are your biggest enemies Apr 27 09:02:08 if your ccdis small u simply end up with blur as light is nver perfectly focused on the ccd Apr 27 09:02:25 so its useless having more pixels than u can usefully distinguish when next to eathoehr and focused Apr 27 09:02:49 then u need a big enough lens/aperture and focal length to properly focus on the ccd anyway Apr 27 09:02:56 and frankly the physical size of a phone limits this heavily Apr 27 09:03:02 unless u want a phon the size of a DSLR Apr 27 09:03:03 :) Apr 27 09:03:13 so really 1-2mpixel is overkill already Apr 27 09:19:43 hi, i am looking for a linux phone that i can buy and write software for. Does anything exist atm? Apr 27 09:19:58 jzoef: if it did we might not all be here Apr 27 09:20:24 i mean, i looked at neo(sold out) and greenphone (discontinued) Apr 27 09:20:36 the freerunner is due to be released soon Apr 27 09:20:53 neo = dev version of the freerunner Apr 27 09:21:18 oh cool. Apr 27 09:34:56 jzoef: take a look at motorola, they have the u9, the a780, the razr v8 and v9 Apr 27 09:35:04 different platform tho Apr 27 09:35:14 the freeruner will be available soon :) Apr 27 09:37:09 flaushy: yes i looked at them, can you actually program for those things? I mean, no drm, signed applications, read only filesystem? Apr 27 09:37:23 jzoef: just wait another 2 months and you'll have a shiny black freerunner ;) Apr 27 09:38:00 jzoef: you can install an open source distro on some motorola phones Apr 27 09:38:17 jzoef: i have a a780, didnt program for it yet (lack of time) Apr 27 09:38:28 but there is a dev program from motorola Apr 27 09:38:40 they give u an sdk afaik Apr 27 09:38:54 flaushy: you can use openembedded to make distros for it e.g. Apr 27 09:39:03 thx dcordes_ :) Apr 27 09:39:14 openmoko is one of them Apr 27 09:39:21 but prolly will start with freerunner soon Apr 27 09:39:28 sure Apr 27 09:39:38 dislike the idea to develop on the phone i use daily Apr 27 09:40:57 does anyone know a good linux phone with buttons tho? that has good processing power as well? Apr 27 09:41:43 (even if it is only announced) Apr 27 09:42:15 flaushy: no, I think there isn't a phone that is as open as the neos are Apr 27 09:42:51 hmm, hope android and LIMO bring us farther Apr 27 09:42:56 flaushy: and binary blobs are very annoying.. you end up needing a special kernel etc Apr 27 09:43:12 k thx for the warning :) Apr 27 09:43:14 flaushy: no, LiMo won't help very much I think Apr 27 09:43:32 we ll see, problem is, i would like to do a project for blind ppl Apr 27 09:43:42 therefore i need some input different then touch Apr 27 09:44:01 flaushy: what about a bt keyboard? Apr 27 09:44:18 kinda annoying to carry around Apr 27 09:44:26 but in combination with a bt headset should work Apr 27 09:44:37 ok Apr 27 09:44:49 you could build a custom case with keys Apr 27 09:44:49 then the phone is in backpack, and small keyboard for navigation Apr 27 09:44:58 yeah, the idea is good :) Apr 27 09:45:26 we ll see, i need to talk to the people at university first tho Apr 27 09:45:33 flaushy: good luck :) Apr 27 09:45:41 :) Apr 27 09:45:44 flaushy: tell the ml about your project if it's successful! Apr 27 09:46:04 pretty cool, i did have the idea of a navigation system for blind ppl (gps + cell phone) Apr 27 09:46:15 failed in idea phase, because no open GPS data is available Apr 27 09:46:26 now i found a wiki like base (openstreetmap.org) Apr 27 09:46:37 OSM is quite good Apr 27 09:46:50 and last week i found as well, that my university did a navigation for blind :) blindwalk Apr 27 09:46:51 depending on where you are Apr 27 09:47:09 we ll feed the maps :) Apr 27 09:47:19 with tags for blind ppl Apr 27 09:47:26 thats a really cool project Apr 27 09:47:29 a fellow student is blind :) Apr 27 09:47:50 so i ask to work on it in my free time :) Apr 27 09:48:13 stuff for blind ppl is hard Apr 27 09:48:15 i ll develope for blind ppl, but in the end u can use it for skating, biking etc Apr 27 09:48:24 i am happy i dont have to do it Apr 27 09:48:28 i love my pixels Apr 27 09:48:33 raster: we have a professor for accesibility Apr 27 09:48:35 and it could also be a cool project for OM generally.. if you could have some control hardware (some buttons) via bluetooth then you needn't take the phone out of your pocket even Apr 27 09:48:39 no idea how anyone could live without seeing stuff Apr 27 09:48:50 i am too visual to ever even try and think about it Apr 27 09:48:57 raster: it works, but i am every day amazed again Apr 27 09:49:09 they do cooking Apr 27 09:49:14 am happy someone else does it Apr 27 09:49:14 :) Apr 27 09:49:17 tap with their fings in the pan Apr 27 09:49:26 raster: that is what i think about visual stuff ^^ Apr 27 09:49:36 i am more of an embedded person, drones etc Apr 27 09:49:38 hhehee Apr 27 09:49:46 robotics, so there u have same problems Apr 27 09:49:59 u have to reduce urself to their sensor knowledge Apr 27 09:50:03 flaushy: you build drones? Apr 27 09:50:18 i did some small robotic stuff in school Apr 27 09:50:22 was fascinated Apr 27 09:50:32 now i am a computer science student Apr 27 09:50:59 so i wanted to go into that direction :) Apr 27 09:51:20 and in university i learned about accesibilty, and find many parallels Apr 27 09:52:54 oh well :) Apr 27 09:53:03 i will try to get freerunners here Apr 27 09:53:21 so we do accesibilty stuff on them, and use them as freely programmable gps devices Apr 27 09:53:47 hope they ll agree :) Apr 27 09:54:09 and quite many ppl already have neos here Apr 27 09:55:17 and working again Apr 27 11:18:08 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r256 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (base.py pygsm/attention.py pygsm/genericmodem.py pyneod.ini): sms send fixed Apr 27 11:52:46 ScaredyCat, that's a bad joke, isn't it? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/312bcfe18874245a7148e4d3af056255.png :) Apr 27 12:02:42 thomasg_, no, no! since this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d1d73f48180a1ac7630e7e8905da91ea.png is real - that is also real! Apr 27 12:16:23 thos: I wanted to have a variety of colours Apr 27 12:16:31 though that is faster than a gumstix Apr 27 12:16:33 oops Apr 27 12:16:53 Is there a PDF reader in anyones repository? Apr 27 12:17:08 Hmm. Apr 27 12:17:31 * SpeedEvil notices the 6400 has an encryption engine too. Fun. Apr 27 12:18:52 did they figure out the deal with samsung for distributing the documentation? Apr 27 12:18:59 Dunno. Apr 27 12:19:10 I've sent my own application for datasheets Apr 27 12:19:33 i see Apr 27 12:19:39 thomasg_: I also have white, blue ..etc Apr 27 12:19:44 i hope they don't forget this part Apr 27 12:20:40 no - we have no deal with samsung on data cheet opening Apr 27 12:20:43 :/ Apr 27 12:21:01 SpeedEvil, I'm not sure if the 6400 is really what we want. the big argument for the s3c series was, that there are specs and datasheets available in public, what seems not to be the case for the 6400. TI has big datasheets and so on public for their omap3 Apr 27 12:21:24 right now... we are struggling to make sure we just get all the datacheets we need ourselves - not worryong about open right now Apr 27 12:21:27 I don't know how free they are. Apr 27 12:21:48 I know I can click on a 'apply for datasheet' link - and I've gotten some data for stuff in the past. Apr 27 12:21:55 thomasg_: the big arguent for s3c is that it is similar to what we have used for gta01/2 so less work Apr 27 12:22:04 well more so that ti+omap+... Apr 27 12:22:05 i remember someone saying that was a prerequisite for using the 6400 in the next design Apr 27 12:22:18 I can see why that is. Apr 27 12:22:23 raster, for the 6400 you're right, yes (I was referring to the currently used 24xx) Apr 27 12:22:24 * SpeedEvil looks at an overworked raster. Apr 27 12:22:38 thomasg_: aaah k Apr 27 12:22:43 obviously it can still wait but it would be better to know before and not have to switch the CPU late Apr 27 12:22:51 SpeedEvil: we are on the 64xx path now Apr 27 12:22:56 Yeah. The CPU is kind of important :) Apr 27 12:23:01 I'd really love to see a powerful omap3 in the neo, but I also understand that this might be too hard Apr 27 12:23:03 and so far i have onlygotten some sparse docs on the 6410 Apr 27 12:23:06 raster: is there a GTA03 design? Apr 27 12:23:10 raster: ah Apr 27 12:23:25 raster: the 6410 is the one with 3d - in preproduction - what about the 6400? Apr 27 12:23:31 no answers on bsp status and what is and isnt already supported, what we have to do ourselves and if we do somethng (eg kdrive accel) if wecan release it etc. Apr 27 12:23:40 yes Apr 27 12:23:43 6410 has "3d" Apr 27 12:23:45 the 6400 has 2d Apr 27 12:23:47 :) Apr 27 12:23:49 better than glamo's 3d by a fair bit Apr 27 12:23:55 err glamo's2d Apr 27 12:24:08 6400 has a fairly good 2d core Apr 27 12:24:12 video ram is in system ram Apr 27 12:24:25 so at worst we can run unaccelerated dumb framebuffer kdrive and not be too badly off at all Apr 27 12:24:33 I guess you're planning to use low-power ddr ram, too, right? Apr 27 12:24:34 So it's basically best of both worlds - apart from memory bandwidth? Apr 27 12:24:44 since its ddr we will have a huge step up oin software gfx compared to the 2442 on the freerunner Apr 27 12:24:54 thomasg_: using an mcp Apr 27 12:25:44 raster, so the ram is in one package with the s3c? Apr 27 12:27:34 thomasg_: yes Apr 27 12:27:38 thomasg_: and flash Apr 27 12:27:52 raster: say, any reason why discussions i see refer to gta04 and not gta03? Apr 27 12:27:53 sounds nice Apr 27 12:27:57 thomasg_: so it'll be 128m ddr @ 133mhz i think Apr 27 12:28:09 cb22_: well we skipped gta03 Apr 27 12:28:12 it got canned Apr 27 12:28:29 so just metaly map gta04 -> gta03 (or next thing out) Apr 27 12:28:46 hi all.. Apr 27 12:28:48 hehe, doing a winamp :) Apr 27 12:28:55 i guess 03 may be an unlucky number in one of the cultures involved Apr 27 12:29:14 how big is performance difference between the QEMU and actual Neo.. Apr 27 12:29:20 actually 4 is unlucky in asia Apr 27 12:29:21 :) Apr 27 12:29:22 quite huge, i hear Apr 27 12:29:32 real Neo is better? Apr 27 12:29:33 mk, pretty big even on high-end hardware Apr 27 12:29:36 yes Apr 27 12:29:39 mk: very much depends on yout host Apr 27 12:29:53 *your Apr 27 12:30:23 there are hundreds of videos around that show the speed of the "real" neo, so it should be easy to compare Apr 27 12:30:28 my emulator running on Quad core Apr 27 12:30:50 I think qemu only runs on one of the cores Apr 27 12:30:52 mk: is your OS 32- or 64-bit? Apr 27 12:30:55 at least that's what it did on my laptop Apr 27 12:30:55 that's the main factor Apr 27 12:30:56 yes.. Apr 27 12:31:06 cores aren't exactly relevant for qemu performance, yes... Apr 27 12:31:06 32 Apr 27 12:31:35 mk: on 32-bit qemuis much slower than ARM at 200 MHz Apr 27 12:31:43 on 64-bit the opposite is true Apr 27 12:32:33 thomasg: I am trying to run antigrain VG .. but just a clear screen gives me only around 30fps in qemu.. Apr 27 12:33:12 balrog-kun: what percentage.. may be 20 or 30%? Apr 27 12:33:45 raster: ah - thanks. Was just wondering if there was a GTA03 design to come out first. Apr 27 12:33:54 approximately 54.1%, give or take a tenth of a percent depending on your system Apr 27 12:34:05 mk: two times slower perhaps Apr 27 12:34:06 :) Apr 27 12:34:45 mjr, my measurements show 53,94% - maybe you should recalibrate your tools. Apr 27 12:35:11 I just did last night - on your mother! Apr 27 12:35:36 ho ho Apr 27 12:35:53 broedje, welcome to the friendly openmoko channel Apr 27 12:35:53 ehm....do i disturb? Apr 27 12:35:54 guys: what measurement is 53,94 or 54.1? Apr 27 12:36:14 arg, i wanted to the superfriendly one Apr 27 12:36:17 percentage Apr 27 12:36:20 of cheese Apr 27 12:36:22 mk, it's not, it's an arbitrary number trying to demonstrate that your question as such is pretty vague and meaningless Apr 27 12:36:41 It's going to be instruction mix and cache footprint dependant. Apr 27 12:38:29 mk: the cpu emulation alone gave me about the speed of a 60MHz ARM on a 1GHz 32-bit x86 when running prboom Apr 27 12:39:57 balrog-kun:thanks.. but how did you measure it.. any tools or qemu provides some command? Apr 27 12:40:27 you simply run two benchmark apps Apr 27 12:40:41 prboom is a doom clone Apr 27 12:40:52 mk: i ran prboom in qemu on my old x86 (don't have it anymore) and on the 60MHz ARM Apr 27 12:41:02 http://www.numenor.art.pl/balrog/palmte/prboom-16bit-blood.jpeg <-- the 60MHz ARM Apr 27 12:41:37 speedevil: I dont have the real neo.. Apr 27 12:42:10 well - you ask someone to do a benchmark Apr 27 12:44:02 speedevil: nope.. I m just trying to understand from the people's experience.. Apr 27 12:45:23 multiply the 60MHz by your pc's clock in GHz, add a bit of overhead from flash emulation Apr 27 12:46:17 balrog-kun: sorry to be so dumb.. Is this 1G: 60MHZ just based on the UI experience? Apr 27 12:46:39 mk: on framerate on in prboom experience Apr 27 12:46:42 mk: what are you trying to work out? Apr 27 12:46:48 mk: speed of your app? Apr 27 12:47:07 but it seems to scale to my experience of the time it takes to boot openmoko on qemu-neo1973 Apr 27 12:47:25 and on a real neo1973 Apr 27 12:48:18 balrog-run: thanks for the info.. Apr 27 12:49:41 balrog-run: do you remember the actual framerate achieved in your test? Apr 27 12:50:31 mk: iirc about 10fps at 320x320 resolution 16bit colour Apr 27 12:51:13 enough for prboom to be fun either way :) Apr 27 12:51:59 yes.. Apr 27 12:55:51 hi Apr 27 13:03:58 hi there - i want to ask if someone has an idea why i do not get a authentification mail for the wiki? the mail adress should work and its not in the spam folder Apr 27 13:05:10 * J-23 thinks Neo GTA01 is too expensive and FreeRunner will be too expensive. Apr 27 13:05:37 neldoreth: Do you need one? I don't think I did back when I registered. Just try logging on, maybe? Apr 27 13:06:17 i can login right, but i want to add my self in the groupsale list - and therefore i need the confirmation :) Apr 27 13:07:18 neldoreth: You mean you can log on but not edit? Apr 27 13:07:23 yes Apr 27 13:07:33 Interesting. I didn't know that was possible Apr 27 13:07:41 then it says: "E-mail confirmation required to edit" Apr 27 13:07:52 roh: Any idea what he can do? Apr 27 13:08:10 i tried to resend one, but i never get it Apr 27 13:08:47 J-23, then don't buy one Apr 27 13:10:07 omg i'm silly :X i get it directly in my openmoko folder but it wasnt shown as unread Apr 27 13:10:28 neldoreth: I'm glad you found it :) Apr 27 13:11:05 me too :) Apr 27 13:13:09 heh, nice to see a circuit diagram in the mailing list Apr 27 13:15:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r257 10/trunk/software/zhone/ (49 files in 7 dirs): Apr 27 13:15:50 freesmartphone.org: add zhone, continuing the work on pyphone to get a bread-and-butter application Apr 27 13:15:50 freesmartphone.org: we can show and be proud of. Apr 27 13:18:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r258 10/trunk/software/zhone/data/themes/ (Makefile.am Makefile.in): zhone: remove Makefile.in Apr 27 13:23:46 ScaredyCat, such as? Apr 27 13:44:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r259 10/trunk/software/zhone/src/zhone: zhone: find its edje in multiple locations Apr 27 13:47:11 ScaredyCat, when can I switch keyboards? :) Apr 27 13:47:56 does anyone know when freerunner will be released? Apr 27 13:49:07 qermit: /topic Apr 27 13:49:07 no, but there are valid hopes for it to be RSN Apr 27 13:49:40 * mjr crosses fingers Apr 27 13:50:07 CVirus: oh, i haven't "some time" marked in my calendar Apr 27 13:50:22 ahven: now Apr 27 13:50:40 qermit: neither do I Apr 27 13:50:41 ahven: what's tat wiki link Apr 27 13:50:59 thos? Apr 27 13:52:05 * ScaredyCat slaps ahven Apr 27 13:54:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Apr 27 13:55:12 ok, Apr 27 13:55:31 so do all the things at the top except install 'openmoko-keyboard' Apr 27 13:57:23 then edit /etc/matchbox/session and add ',keyboard' (with no quotes) to the line starting --end-applets just before the --titlebar Apr 27 13:58:54 you'll probably need my repo Apr 27 13:59:03 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Apr 27 13:59:10 ^^ conf file there Apr 27 14:00:09 ScaredyCat: It's BROKEN! Apr 27 14:00:28 mwester? Apr 27 14:00:30 (Apparently the USB charge status does not survive resume...) Apr 27 14:00:40 gah Apr 27 14:00:53 mwester: It resumes from SMS with me Apr 27 14:01:13 I wonder if it's always been like that, and we just didn't notice because nobody ever bothered to suspend the device? Apr 27 14:01:24 SpeedEvil: :) That's good news. Apr 27 14:01:29 mew: It's been resuming for some time Apr 27 14:01:34 I mentioned it back in december Apr 27 14:01:45 That it had resumed from a call for me. Apr 27 14:02:29 Well, it resumes, yes. But as soon as it resumed, gsmd would go out to lunch and not return ! Apr 27 14:02:48 And worked fine afterwards Apr 27 14:04:14 ScaredyCat, just wget the scaredycat.conf to /etc/opkg ? Apr 27 14:04:20 and opkg update? Apr 27 14:04:21 yes Apr 27 14:04:26 then opkg update Apr 27 14:04:36