**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 07 02:59:56 2008 May 07 03:26:56 hello May 07 03:29:46 H I May 07 03:32:59 hallo moko May 07 03:57:26 * sparq peers bleary-eyed at #openmoko May 07 03:57:33 doc|home: s'allright May 07 04:21:00 hi raster May 07 04:21:15 moo May 07 04:25:42 Does anyone here have audio working from the Neo to a bluetooth headset (either for calls or for system audio output)? I bought a headset today but so far I haven't been able to get any sound out of it (although it looks like it's paired OK). May 07 04:29:55 More details of the problem in http://www.pastebin.ca/1010108 May 07 04:33:56 updated GTA01 kernel (suspend/resume should work a bit better) added to http://moko.mwester.net/ May 07 05:24:21 mwester: I just tried your kernel. Manual suspend with "apm -s", then I called the Neo. It resumed, but it did not ring and my call went to voicemail. May 07 05:34:58 mwester: After my phone suspended again I pressed the power button to wake it up. The screen came up all white, and there was an 'oops' in dmesg. See http://www.pastebin.ca/1010146 May 07 06:12:02 * * OM Bug 1382 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net May 07 06:12:03 * * verbose mmc-related kernel messages slow down boot process (GTA01) May 07 06:12:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1382 May 07 06:31:58 mmontour: what's the output from cat /proc/cmdline ? May 07 06:41:28 Anyone got a pre-built GTA02 image, so I don't have to wait for my build? May 07 06:41:58 rwhitby: you received a toy? May 07 06:42:20 XorA: yes, the only problem is I think it's an 850 one, and I need 900 in Australia. May 07 06:42:45 oh, I didnt even know we had made 850 ones yet :-) May 07 06:43:07 The sticker in the battery bay says 850MHz - I wanted to boot an image and try registering to confirm. May 07 06:44:03 * XorA is still waiting for his build machine to boot May 07 06:44:48 rwhitby: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ May 07 06:44:56 rwhitby: there are gta02 ones there May 07 06:45:28 thx May 07 06:49:55 mwester: /proc/cmdline is rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) (note that I've rebooted since the original tests) May 07 06:51:05 Of course, but the cmdline will be the same. I notice that you have the ttySAC0 console removed. I wonder if that might be significant... May 07 06:51:59 I seem to recall some really strange stuff happened during resume when tty0 is specified to be the first or only console. May 07 06:52:36 The pm debugging code spews console messages directly to the UART, bypassing the serial driver altogether, which is rather problematic. May 07 06:53:36 I'll take a look in the morning to see if this is still a problem, and might explain your dmesg. May 07 06:54:21 I can try it tomorrow with the ttySAC0 statement added. May 07 06:57:45 good morning May 07 07:00:16 * rwhitby hopes the daily image is a good one today .. May 07 07:00:57 * rwhitby adds the setup-machine-freerunner target to MokoMakefile May 07 07:08:17 Does anyone know if Michael Shiloh idles here..? May 07 07:09:25 seldomly May 07 07:09:35 What was his nick..? May 07 07:09:44 MichaelShiloh May 07 07:09:48 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * ra3e3e5ee4327 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Continued implementing new fso api (call status and activate) May 07 07:09:57 Cool, thanks mickeyl. :-) May 07 07:10:09 I wanted to ping him about the prototypes coming to CA. May 07 07:10:10 :-) May 07 07:11:48 mickeyl: I am the fellow who was doing IP storage stuff for openmoko.. May 07 07:12:11 I sent him my neo1973 to update the GSM firmware, as I was never able to get GPRS working with the 3g fireball SIMs May 07 07:12:29 ah May 07 07:12:31 I am eagerly awaiting to get an update from him May 07 07:12:32 :-) May 07 07:12:51 And to do some cluster filesystem over iSCSI/Wifi testing with GTA02 May 07 07:19:40 how fast can gprs go? May 07 07:19:44 on a good day May 07 07:19:54 I think its ISDN speeds May 07 07:20:01 On the order of ~12 Kbit May 07 07:20:08 er May 07 07:20:08 duh May 07 07:20:15 12 Kbyte a sec. :) May 07 07:20:29 Not very good for a large FS fsck. :-) May 07 07:20:42 in theory 40kbit i think May 07 07:20:47 in practice more like 20 May 07 07:20:55 That is why smaller read-only mounts only work well over those types of speeds. May 07 07:21:05 Greetings raster May 07 07:21:09 :-) May 07 07:21:10 moo May 07 07:21:13 :) May 07 07:21:25 Hey, something I wanted to show you wrt the thread about video playback May 07 07:21:36 http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OCFS2/iSCSI_for_OS-2008 May 07 07:21:56 I have been doing this with the 770/800 for a while using ext3 + iSCSI/Wifi May 07 07:22:10 And can do the 320x240 avi playback using the maemo player May 07 07:23:04 hello ... ppl May 07 07:23:06 I recently started playing with OCFS2 on that setup (I use it alot for production with lio.org) and have been running into some issues wrt DLM (distributed lock manager protocol compat) May 07 07:23:08 anyone alive here? May 07 07:23:18 But was able to get it going on v2.6.21 with v7 of the DLM protocol May 07 07:23:25 cest moi.... UV May 07 07:23:28 Anyways, I am excited to try it on v2.6.24 on the freerunner May 07 07:23:44 2.6.24 ... should be 3.2.1.5 May 07 07:23:53 they got us by the balls ppl May 07 07:23:55 I did some builds for the neo on 2.6.22, and could do audio playback etc. May 07 07:24:11 big nose has got both my devices May 07 07:24:14 s/builds/iSCSI Initiator builds May 07 07:24:25 But did not try the video playback on the neo over the network May 07 07:24:28 can anyone help me out here.... trying to escape hell... May 07 07:24:32 yanfs :) May 07 07:24:49 beam me up scotty May 07 07:25:03 ISRAEL... is all red & white May 07 07:25:08 raster: Anyways, it should be really interesting. May 07 07:25:09 :-) May 07 07:25:54 are broadcasting is intense over here,,,,,,, help me out guys May 07 07:25:56 are ==our May 07 07:26:02 anyone alive? May 07 07:26:07 sending out an SOS May 07 07:26:15 ...---... May 07 07:26:34 rwhitby I know May 07 07:26:39 but all the candy has fucked that up May 07 07:27:10 no sleep May 07 07:27:12 no food May 07 07:27:14 no love May 07 07:27:19 no hope May 07 07:27:25 no clue May 07 07:27:30 and not nessecary in that order...;) May 07 07:27:46 you guys... my world is turned upside down... May 07 07:27:53 but I know how to escape... May 07 07:27:58 but just pinging you to life May 07 07:28:04 it's all in the mind May 07 07:28:05 remember May 07 07:28:27 ok just closed my right eye May 07 07:28:44 mama...mia,... my mother is a monster May 07 07:29:05 ok I will cruise soon May 07 07:29:13 eh... May 07 07:29:14 umm May 07 07:29:35 raster.... u alive? May 07 07:30:56 Well that was an interesting fellow. May 07 07:31:40 not sure what he tried to say but interesting, yes May 07 07:31:58 .mia,... my mother is a monster May 07 07:31:58 ok I will cruise soon May 07 07:31:58 eh... May 07 07:31:58 umm May 07 07:31:58 raster.... u alive? May 07 07:31:59 *** Signoff: no_mind ("Leaving") May 07 07:32:05 Ugh May 07 07:32:14 http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/FIC_Neo1973 May 07 07:32:37 is the project page for iSCSI stuff for the Neo. May 07 07:33:09 There will be GTA02 builds as the project gets the hardware of course. :-) May 07 07:33:15 no idea what he was smoking May 07 07:33:21 but it was pretty potent stuff May 07 07:34:02 raster: :-) May 07 07:34:14 not sure i'd want to try it though May 07 07:34:39 nab: still trying for iscsi over gsm? May 07 07:34:51 buz: I haven't tested that in a while. May 07 07:34:55 But it does work, yes. May 07 07:34:59 (i gotta say that was one of the weirder things done with neo) May 07 07:35:07 Never on the Neo however, because I could never get the GPRS to work.. May 07 07:35:10 At lest not yet. :-) May 07 07:35:25 The Wifi bit on the GTA02 is the big thing for me May 07 07:35:40 gprs was much more out there May 07 07:35:42 eg: Doing shared storage between Maemo and Openmoko devices May 07 07:35:47 iscsi over wlan is sort of obvious :P May 07 07:35:57 buz: its just difficult as the mount size increases. May 07 07:36:30 My tests with iSCSI/GSM and GPRS where always with like 1 GB ext2 RO mounts May 07 07:36:39 Actually, no, there was some RW. May 07 07:36:57 Like saving images from the camera to the IP storage LUN, etc. May 07 07:37:26 But doing debugging on the Motorola devices was kinda hard. :-) May 07 07:37:43 And the v2.4 kernel had some definately issues with the GPRS link failing and outstanding WRITE I/Os, etc. May 07 07:37:59 The MV stuff May 07 07:38:14 Anyways, its great to see modern v2.6 on all the mobile stuff these days. May 07 07:38:15 :-) May 07 07:39:23 There is one of the LIO devs who is doing some iSCSI over 3G stuff using VMs which is pretty interesting.. May 07 07:39:53 I think you should be able to scale that pretty decently for mobile stuff, even with the latency issues. May 07 07:40:09 network latency issues that is. May 07 07:41:37 But it will be great to get an open mobile device with 3G+wifi May 07 07:41:53 Until we folks here in CA get WiMax. :P May 07 07:42:20 Actually, I wonder what the latency comparisions are between 3G and Mobile Wimax. May 07 07:42:49 People are saying like 50 ms RTT I believe for the latter. May 07 07:56:13 why is open source important? May 07 07:56:38 AlgorithmicContr: There are quite a few reasons May 07 07:56:49 But when I explan it to people, I use the bridge building analogy May 07 07:57:20 eg: while construction a bridge, the designs are reviewed by multiple independent firms to ensure the stability of the design May 07 07:57:34 and not a single group where no-one gets to see the design plans May 07 07:57:51 Due to the high risk of castrophe, loss of life, etc. May 07 07:58:15 Non tech folks always get that one. May 07 07:59:05 One of the other more engineer ones, is that "you can always fix the problem yourself if you have all the source code" May 07 07:59:36 AlgorithmicContr: for me as a hacker, I am annoyed that I have a 'closed' phone which have a couple of trivial annoyances which I cannot do anything to fix (like the clock font being way too small, for example, or the date not showing on the main screen) May 07 07:59:37 or the open source support model one; if you want to add a room to your house, you don't have to be a carpender, but you can hire one May 07 07:59:49 AlgorithmicContr: there's plenty of non-hacker reasons too though :) May 07 08:00:09 Same with OSS support, there is monopoly on it; unlike the propritary model where the vendor has a monopoly on support. May 07 08:00:15 More or less May 07 08:02:18 AlgorithmicContr: on more theoretical ground, I personally feel the 'traditional' way of software development is inherently inefficient, prohibiting reuse. May 07 08:02:55 AlgorithmicContr: there should be a point where it's cheaper to contribute to a shared effort to solve your problems, rather than re-inventing the wheel/phone internally May 07 08:03:05 Windows is the best May 07 08:03:17 And I'm amazed that they do it as well as they do, given the huge variance in systems that they have to deal with. May 07 08:03:19 that'll probably be possible for some sectors and not for others May 07 08:03:22 Make an OS that's pretty much universally compatible. May 07 08:03:27 And backwards-compatible. May 07 08:03:34 The people who make Windows have an epic task. May 07 08:04:01 Adobe Premiere. I would love to hear about a free, open-source alternative. May 07 08:06:13 no argument there - surely the industry has produced a lot of impressive stuff, both proprietary and open May 07 08:11:26 Hmm - I guess I should add some makefile targets to build the qtopia monotone branch that is being worked on. May 07 08:14:37 AlgorithmicContr: Actually, I would contend that the linux kernel project has a much greater task for going into as many places as it does. May 07 08:15:00 Windows (minus the embedded variants) actually has WORSE hardware support than linux on older PC hardware May 07 08:16:27 rwhitby: openmok-qtopia-x11-image May 07 08:16:34 Hell, you can even run linux on a MMU-less hardware too. May 07 08:16:35 AlgorithmicContr: you are now welcome to share the bribe microsoft paid you to come here and speak. May 07 08:16:38 share it around now May 07 08:16:40 dont be shy May 07 08:16:41 :) May 07 08:16:53 * nab remembers the microsoft booth at past LWCEs May 07 08:16:54 :-) May 07 08:17:09 embedded variants? May 07 08:17:12 WindowsCE May 07 08:17:38 XorA: aha - mokomakefile currently builds openmoko-qtopia-image, not openmoko-qtopia-x11-image - should I change it to do the latter? May 07 08:17:38 But embedded Linux has been dominating in that space for some time. May 07 08:18:15 rwhitby: no, need first for gta01, second for gt02 May 07 08:18:20 When MSFT did their open sauce initiative for WindowsCe, it was too late May 07 08:18:26 Dude, Windows CE is still dominating on Smartphones. May 07 08:18:36  In fact, as far as I know it's the leading OS on Smartphones. May 07 08:18:53 * XorA hides his WinCE phone May 07 08:19:00 Heh, I would love to see the real numbers for windowsCE vs. embedded linux units shipped May 07 08:19:26 Not numbers from an industry backed TA. May 07 08:19:27 AlgorithmicContr: then u are free to go and develop for it buy windows smartphones and use them May 07 08:19:28 :P May 07 08:19:33 no one here stops u May 07 08:19:36 nor really cares May 07 08:20:08 chinese is probably the most widely spoken language in the world May 07 08:20:13 more people at any rate May 07 08:20:17 soquikc May 07 08:20:20 give up on english May 07 08:20:23 is probably the most popular food in the world as well May 07 08:20:23 stop speaking May 07 08:20:32 u must now speak read and write only mandarin May 07 08:20:36 * nab gets hungry May 07 08:20:43 * XorA fancies chinese now May 07 08:22:40 raster: you can May 07 08:24:18 沒有問題 May 07 08:24:47 Linux fails May 07 08:25:17 AlgorithmicContr: I think you are going to need more than two words to try to convience a room full of OSS professionals May 07 08:25:18 :-) May 07 08:25:35 More like two words a second. :P May 07 08:25:36 hehe May 07 08:25:44 But anyways May 07 08:25:48 * nab stops being OT May 07 08:25:52 nab:  In the things I do in my day to day life, and in the hardware I use, only closed-source alternatives have proven to be robust and reliable enough. May 07 08:26:07 Sure May 07 08:26:20 I am by no meanings making the case for a complete OSS world. May 07 08:26:32 The idea is that people who use other solutions where they see fit. May 07 08:26:38 nab: As a television and music producer, there have been no obvious software candidates outside of the PC and Mac/closed source framework. May 07 08:26:39 However, the bit contention point is the 'lock in'. May 07 08:27:00  In my experiences with Linux, I have found it to be unreliable and unweildy. May 07 08:27:03 I have no idea what type of app you are talking about, but in some cases the lock-in can be devistating to your buisness and/or pocketbook May 07 08:27:32 AlgorithmicContr: In my experience, I have found that I am able to fix the issue on open platforms. May 07 08:27:35 wasnt LotR heavilly done with FOSS software? May 07 08:27:41 And not have to ask the vendor to do it for me, and my expense. May 07 08:27:58 XorA: yeah, its used all over that indstury these days. May 07 08:28:06 Actually, on alot of Mac hardware I hear. May 07 08:28:18 Usually mactel-linux for the newer installs and render farms May 07 08:28:55 AlgorithmicContr: See in the open source world, you can have multiple vendors giving you support, and giving you more/better support at a lower cost May 07 08:29:13 (If you can fix it yourself, or find an engineer to bribe) May 07 08:29:48 AlgorithmicContr: you should really look at that ESR book about all of this stuff May 07 08:30:12 the cathedral and the bazaar May 07 08:30:13 nab: I tried RedHat a year ago May 07 08:30:23  It started with no drivers available. I'm not a dumb guy. I'm fluent in about 15 computing languages and have been a coder for years. May 07 08:30:29 But since I don't want to write my own drivers and they weren't available on my fairly common Dell system, there was obviously a gaping hole there. May 07 08:30:46 Next, I found the quality of the software to be low, by my standards. This included functionality and aesthetic, and I have outlined this to you. Now you can argue with me, but there are numerous Linux advocates around here who failed. May 07 08:30:59 heh May 07 08:31:09 Well, I don't have to argue anything, I live it. :-) May 07 08:31:20 * nab runs a self hosted Linux storage project May 07 08:31:55 So it is unfortuate that you had a bad experience with OSS.. May 07 08:32:01 Given the tremendous costs of time, energy, and effort to move to Linux and (apparently) re-invent the wheel for the sophisticated music, TV, math, and physics things I do, I'm sticking with Windows, with which I'm perfectly content. May 07 08:32:11 But the benfit that it brings in undeniable. May 07 08:32:22 As far as you go, it is unsurprising to me that the things you do have Linux alternatives. May 07 08:32:23 eg: The Scentific method applied to software development. May 07 08:32:48 nab:  It is definitely deniable. May 07 08:32:57 Maybe in 10 years. May 07 08:33:02 * nab throws his hands in the air May 07 08:33:10 To each his own I suppose May 07 08:33:14 :-) May 07 08:33:54 I would rather get back to discussion OpenMoko anyhow. May 07 08:33:55 :-) May 07 08:36:05 Anyone with OM related discussion, please continue May 07 08:37:07 AlgorithmicContr: and i would say the same thng for windows May 07 08:37:15 try installing xp on a syste with an sata controller May 07 08:37:20 Heh May 07 08:37:21 and that doesnt have an ide emulation mode May 07 08:37:23 Boot floppies May 07 08:37:24 good luck May 07 08:37:34 for me linux installs almost everywhere pc-wise May 07 08:37:43 Moreover, I don't think the business model will work in the long run, when people in business will have grown up using computers as infants. May 07 08:37:44 and most things work out of the box MUCH better than windows May 07 08:37:55 i dont have to go hunting all the driver downloads just to get any vuideo to work sanely May 07 08:37:57 etc. etc. May 07 08:38:02 * nab notes his collection inclues Alpha/Sparc/ARM/PPC/PowerPC/IA64/x86_64/MIPS May 07 08:38:09 And they all run the same distro. May 07 08:38:10 :P May 07 08:38:19 * nab can't help but throw gas on the fire May 07 08:38:20 and i've been using linux since the dark days (1.x kernels and sclakware) May 07 08:38:46 but as such May 07 08:38:48 as nab said May 07 08:38:50 Allow me to translate for rasterman May 07 08:38:55 u are in an audience of professionals May 07 08:38:58 Before SMP and package managers for Linux May 07 08:39:10 i have been doing "linux" (software develpmnet) for a 100% living May 07 08:39:11 :-) May 07 08:39:20 for over a decade May 07 08:39:37 so dont talk to me about business models May 07 08:40:06 i can talk to you about the business hel of licensing someone elses softwre that is a blakc box May 07 08:40:10 ACtually, I believe the first SMP bits (with BKL issues) in v2.0 May 07 08:40:13 that u have limtied knowledge and access to May 07 08:40:36 I don't recall if the first patches where for x86 or Alpha May 07 08:40:40 that doesnt do what it says it does and u sink countless days or weeks engineering workaroudns rather than just lookin at the src, finding the problem patching it and sending the fix back May 07 08:40:42 which is MUCH faster May 07 08:40:45 Probably the former I would assume May 07 08:40:47 i've doen wince development May 07 08:40:50 for a short time May 07 08:40:59 u know how to speed up wince development? May 07 08:41:02 develop on linux May 07 08:41:04 After maddog got Linus his Alpha May 07 08:41:05 :-) May 07 08:41:09 then at the end PORT ti wince May 07 08:41:23 to May 07 08:43:27 * nab drops a pin May 07 08:43:35 There are plenty of Windows mods. May 07 08:44:00 and so? May 07 08:44:04 do we look like we care? May 07 08:44:11 :) May 07 08:44:32 ae are happy with linux May 07 08:44:36 idt does what we want May 07 08:44:37 HOw we want May 07 08:44:45 we can make it do anything we want it to May 07 08:44:48 with ease May 07 08:44:49 and comfort May 07 08:45:07 its open and easy to modify anything within the behemoth that is a linux distro May 07 08:45:10 as the code is there May 07 08:45:12 * nab notes that only Linux can do the next-gen prototypes for Linux-iSCSI.org projects May 07 08:45:27 Due to the prevasiveness of open source and linux May 07 08:46:16 Like the cluster filesystems across multiple devices and OSes (using VMs) over multiple types of network links May 07 08:46:36 Which in many cases, has never been duplicated May 07 08:46:39 My point is May 07 08:46:51  I will concede 1 big point. May 07 08:46:54 Is that in the storage world, no-one looks as the windows platform as a serious platform May 07 08:46:57  More people should look at security code. May 07 08:47:08 For mission critical apps that you have lives depending on. May 07 08:47:19 (Not that alot of people use PC for that, mainframe anyone..?) May 07 08:47:32 But again, it goes back to the peer review May 07 08:47:50 Would you put your life in the hands of a piece of code you could not see..? May 07 08:47:57 And was developed by a small group in secret..? May 07 08:48:18 Regardless of the qualifications of those individuals, their is a rick. May 07 08:48:20 s/rick/risk May 07 08:48:33 Espically as node count / complexity starts to grow May 07 08:48:43 nab: More people can spot security flaws, or exploit them. May 07 08:48:46 with open source May 07 08:48:46 (if we are talking about the cluster / enterprise block level storage case) May 07 08:48:56 AlgorithmicContr: Heh May 07 08:49:12 ESR debunked that one before SMP went into the kernel. May 07 08:49:26 Security through Obsecurity is a joke May 07 08:49:36 Ask any of the crypto guys May 07 08:49:42 Why do you think the NSA posted the SELinux patches..? May 07 08:49:59 So they could get strong access controls into a mainstream OS. May 07 08:50:02 FOR THEIR OWN USES May 07 08:50:04 its not just security May 07 08:50:07 its bugs in general May 07 08:50:19 when your own users are sending you patchesfor new featues they need and want May 07 08:50:22 eg in a library May 07 08:50:24 or a service May 07 08:50:30 that THEIr code and app depends on May 07 08:50:58 and they now that in a few days or a week there is a turnaround of their changes being applied and now their upstream provider of that library or service has their feature included May 07 08:51:10 u never see that anywhre in the cosed commercial pay for everything world May 07 08:51:27 May 07 08:51:42 Why do you think that all of the commerical OS folks (aside from MSFT) are using open source userspace now..? May 07 08:51:48 Like SUN and Apple May 07 08:52:01 your general response to "your library does X and Y ell, but i need Z and it misses aspect Z of what it does - can i have your source so i can do your work for you and add that feature in myself rather than workign aorund it or just giving up?" May 07 08:52:05 Because it reduces 1) engineering resources, and produces better code! May 07 08:52:26 is "no - you cant see the source and you may need to wait 6 months until the next version - and that will cost you an additional $X in licensing too" May 07 08:52:28 Too bad due to the way that the OS world works, they have no drivers May 07 08:52:30 :-) May 07 08:52:38 or you get a "no - can't be done" resposne May 07 08:52:41 in open source May 07 08:52:46 Or rather, a small amount compared to a modern v2.6 Linux kernel May 07 08:52:51 your "customerS" send you patches for the thing they need May 07 08:52:56 or for the bug they found May 07 08:53:07 u review it to make sure the changes are not bad May 07 08:53:10 and apply to your tree May 07 08:53:19 in no time flat the fix is available to everyone May 07 08:53:22 o the new feature May 07 08:53:29 open source works - if u are a developer May 07 08:53:36 raster: Better than the: "We see you are in a tight spot, so we aren't going to fix it unless you give us more $$$" May 07 08:53:37 its just about the BEST way to develop software May 07 08:53:46 of course if u are not a software develoepr u'll just never undersand that May 07 08:53:55 in closed-source software, only the 'bad guys' hunt for flawes, since most 'good guys' don't know how to use reverse engineering tools like decompilers at al May 07 08:54:03 In my industry, that is notorious for happening. May 07 08:54:22 for the better 'bad guys', not having the source doesn't matter much - you'd be amazed what all those reverse-engineering tools can do May 07 08:54:42 Not to mention that you would have to buy all new storage hardware if you wanted to move away from that particular vendor May 07 08:54:58 Which is pretty much a non-option for most buisnesses without in-host storage knowlege. May 07 08:55:07 s/in-host/in-house May 07 08:55:25 raboof: Good point May 07 08:55:27 :-) May 07 08:56:16 * nab wonders if he is going to have to start making the windows case May 07 08:56:25 in order to keep the discussion going. May 07 08:56:26 :P May 07 08:57:12 Or we can finish the discussion with a SINGLE wikipedia URL May 07 08:57:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_botnet May 07 08:57:40 That is the main reason why you should not be using windows May 07 08:58:01 You can thank BillG for not going with the UNIX MAC model, and introducing that type of problem to the net. May 07 08:58:05 nab:  I will concede 1 big point. More people should look at security code. More people can spot security flaws, or exploit them. security is better when open. that is, in the long run (not short), open is better for that. In the progressive short run, I'm not sure. Believe it or not, Nortel flagged Vista as the safest OS for quite a while, and they hate MS.  So perhaps I'm wrong. May 07 08:58:14 Well, I don't know if it was his fault, but they should have stuck with fucking Xenix May 07 08:58:38 AlgorithmicContr: Please May 07 08:58:49 Are you just cut and pasting this from a MSFT website..? May 07 08:59:01 nab: no May 07 08:59:12 Because even MSFT cannot make Vista secure May 07 08:59:20 They have to depend on the 3rd party AV vendors to do it for them. May 07 08:59:50 AlgorithmicContr: i think you are not really making a case at all, especially to this group of developers May 07 09:00:00 See, having a AntiVirus industry that generates hundred of millions of dollars is a BAD thing for the software ecosystem. May 07 09:00:06 'Nortel flagged Vista as the safest OS for quite a while' is not an argument point at all May 07 09:00:08 Not to mention the Storm Botnet May 07 09:00:22 raster: i stil don't understand that swallow trick. could you help? May 07 09:00:41  Firstly, Vista comes with Windows Defender, Firewall, and numerous other protections. May 07 09:00:52 Ugh May 07 09:01:24 Secondly, if you look at the court decisions, you will realize why Microsoft can't include a lot of these things. For anti-trust reasons. I think it's bullshit. May 07 09:01:38  You guys just spew the party line. May 07 09:01:51 * nab waits for his GTA02 prototype May 07 09:02:02 * trickie_ not gonna take anymore bait May 07 09:02:13 AlgorithmicContr: Heh May 07 09:02:24 yep, troll patrol May 07 09:02:24 :-) May 07 09:02:47 nab: what? May 07 09:02:59 whatever May 07 09:03:05 :P May 07 09:03:07 actually I think storm is a bad example as AFAIK it exploits problems fixed years ago, just lazy/stupid people dont upgrade May 07 09:03:25 you can never secure against stupidity May 07 09:03:26 yeah, that could happen to OSS just as easily May 07 09:03:31 XorA: I think its a great example of the bunking the security through obsecurity case May 07 09:03:47 though arguably most linux distro's make it easier to keep up-to-date, and you don't have to shell out major $$$ for each bigger update :) May 07 09:04:16 Well, throwing every bit of code you receive over the net into hardware and hitting the instruction pointer is an awful design May 07 09:04:39 which is what the windows platform likes to do) May 07 09:04:47 Weather it be from good guys, bad guys, or whoever May 07 09:05:06 and I like my WinCE phone :-D May 07 09:05:30 Yes, someome please steer this conversation back into phones May 07 09:05:35 :-) May 07 09:05:55 which means I need WinXP as linux doesnt have capability to store contacts May 07 09:06:01 Heh May 07 09:06:23 Well, Virtualization with Linux guests does make the Windows PC platform almost useable again. May 07 09:06:28 Along with cygwin May 07 09:06:35 nab: oops, you spotted my virtualbox :-) May 07 09:06:38 But anyone who is staking their buisness on it.. May 07 09:06:46 As they soo "A fool and their money are soon parted" May 07 09:06:47 :-) May 07 09:06:53 s/soo/say May 07 09:07:19 depends on what kind of company you are I guess May 07 09:07:28 * nab does storage work May 07 09:07:51 So having a Linux VM export storage objects on Vmware from windos/mac/linux all works the same May 07 09:07:55 when I was a sysadmin, I was working on converting most servers to linux, but leaving the exchange server for email/calendar May 07 09:07:58 eg: "Its all IP packets" May 07 09:08:13 yeah, the marketing and sales folks like their iCAl stuff May 07 09:08:14 :-) May 07 09:08:44 Altough I have had no problem using Evolution with all of the folks using outlook May 07 09:08:54 seriously, the outlook/exchange combo is pretty impressive May 07 09:09:28 nab: I was only testing my argumentative skills . Taking a side that I knew was utter bullshit. I've been using Linux since I was 12 May 07 09:09:31 I honstly think that doing it all over the web with firefox is the way to go May 07 09:09:37 good to see more activity in the mozilla calendar project again, i hope that'll catch on now May 07 09:09:39 That is what I would do *IF* I was the IT guy May 07 09:09:44 Or the CTO May 07 09:09:49 ping nab May 07 09:09:53 * nab has been close to both May 07 09:10:03 AlgorithmicContr: Great! May 07 09:10:16 I think you definately got some good reponses. :-) May 07 09:10:28 And just a *little* bit of razzing May 07 09:10:33 ;) May 07 09:13:09 Hmmm, those of you stuck with Windows where they want linux (like me @ work) should take a look at this: http://www.andlinux.org/ May 07 09:13:36 Less hassle then VMWare, better then Cygwin :) May 07 09:17:03 * nab notes that Nintendo's entire devel platform is in Cygwin/win32 May 07 09:17:18 * nab hopes there are no Nintendo lawyers in attendence this morning May 07 09:17:19 :-) May 07 09:17:23 nab intressting May 07 09:17:29 *g* May 07 09:17:35 Not if you have to port system software to it May 07 09:17:36 :P May 07 09:17:58 hehe May 07 09:47:16 hi all May 07 09:47:25 i want to join the openmoko May 07 09:47:28 as a developer May 07 09:47:33 what is the good starting point May 07 09:47:41 is there any emulator platform? May 07 09:47:50 check the wiki, download QEmu, and play a bit May 07 09:47:54 and is freerunner meant to be a development platform May 07 09:47:54 ok May 07 09:48:01 thanks May 07 09:49:17 i noticed the emulated platform is pretty slow (though the phone will be faster), are there any alternatives? May 07 09:49:23 yes, freerunner is a development platform. it'll take a while to be a day-to-day phone May 07 09:49:24 didn't seem like a really attractive development platform May 07 09:49:33 people usually code on x86 May 07 09:49:46 i see May 07 09:49:47 and only run in the emulator if you need the full environment or some ARM specifics May 07 09:49:54 or some hardware stuff May 07 09:49:58 yeah May 07 09:50:02 i see May 07 09:50:03 i even code gsm on PC using the Neo as a modem May 07 09:50:12 with serial port forwarding over usbnet May 07 09:56:49 *blink* May 07 09:58:17 once you get the init sequence right, it works like a charm May 07 10:07:04 so most of the Openmoko software also builds on normal i386 x11? May 07 10:07:21 raboof yes May 07 10:15:01 hmm, ScaredyCat, can you point me to your openmoko builds? looks like my system can't compile the devel image :/ May 07 10:15:17 http://buildhost.automated.it/ May 07 10:15:23 OM2007.2 dir May 07 10:15:42 "can't" compile or you have a problem May 07 10:15:43 ? May 07 10:16:13 ah, thanks May 07 10:16:45 ScaredyCat, having problems in a check in xserver-kdrive.. configure script fails when checking some file which can't be checked when cross-compiling May 07 10:17:57 :/ May 07 10:28:00 my build borked at xserver-kdrive also May 07 10:29:06 hm the solution was pasted here May 07 10:29:14 try to look at the irc-bot logs May 07 10:29:19 I cant remeber it May 07 10:29:20 *g* May 07 10:31:31 will do when i feel energetic May 07 10:32:43 [01:19:58] < mmontour> saleh: edit line 120 of openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-common.inc to: ac_cv_file__usr_share_sgml_X11_defs_ent=no" May 07 10:32:46 perhaps May 07 10:33:16 right May 07 10:34:21 cool May 07 10:35:48 though umh, at least I have that line there already May 07 10:37:02 ill have a look at mine in a minute and see May 07 10:37:34 well, run make update and so on.. perhaps it was changed by that :P May 07 10:39:49 seems to compile fine now, yay \o May 07 10:40:24 mine line was wrong May 07 10:41:19 but yeh usually fixes itself if patient May 07 10:41:50 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r17 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: mokomakefile: Added the setup-machine-freerunner target May 07 10:42:23 ScaredyCat: do you build om-gta02 images with all your extras? May 07 10:45:34 no, I suppose I could.. but hte 'market' is limited :) May 07 10:46:25 ScaredyCat: I can test it for you ;-) May 07 10:47:44 :) May 07 10:47:57 ok, will have a go then :) May 07 10:52:10 you could just send me your 02 and I'll test it ;) May 07 11:00:45 any idea if we need to register to get the free-runner May 07 11:00:49 i guess it will be available in limited quantity May 07 11:00:51 and might get sold off May 07 11:00:53 so any pre-booking sort of thing May 07 11:00:55 ? May 07 11:02:37 Not as far as has been announced. May 07 11:05:03 ScaredyCat: wouldn't be any good to you - it's an 850MHz GTA02 in a 900MHz country at the moment ... May 07 11:05:28 I'd risk it :P May 07 11:09:25 ScaredyCat: I'm adding qtopia-x11-image support to mokomakefile too May 07 11:09:37 good stuff... May 07 11:09:48 what about the moko underground too May 07 11:09:56 btw, how's the qtopia version running on gta01? May 07 11:10:03 ScaredyCat: oh, how do I build that? May 07 11:10:05 has there been any improvements since the christmas or so? May 07 11:10:21 bitbake moko-underground May 07 11:10:46 what's in the underground? May 07 11:10:57 bitbake moko-underground-image May 07 11:11:04 (sorry for asking way too many (dumb) questions:) May 07 11:11:13 it's a python ui May 07 11:11:22 and a new gsm mux May 07 11:11:39 it's cool, but not really ready May 07 11:11:54 is it intentionally moko- vs openmoko- ? May 07 11:11:56 python ui for what parts? May 07 11:12:08 for the whole gui stuff? May 07 11:13:07 * rwhitby adds a moko-underground-image target to mokomakefile ... May 07 11:13:16 "make underground" May 07 11:14:21 hehe May 07 11:14:46 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r18 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added openmoko-qtopia-x11-image and moko-underground-image May 07 11:14:56 ScaredyCat: all ready for your buildhost May 07 11:15:23 make setup-machine-neo all ; make setup-machine-freerunner all May 07 11:16:02 I guess setup-machine-neo should be setup-machine-ne1973 now May 07 11:16:15 -neo1973 even May 07 11:16:37 neo is the name of the class of devices, right? neo 1973 and neo freerunner ? May 07 11:18:48 k, just building atm, will try shortly May 07 11:19:14 errm isn't neo the 01 and freerunner the 02 May 07 11:22:27 As I understand it 'neo freerunner' is not a term used May 07 11:24:25 Just freerunner May 07 11:38:35 ahh, got finally everything compiled May 07 11:38:43 but mkfs.jffs2 crashes :) May 07 11:38:59 I recall I had to modify it last time by taking out some check from there to make it work May 07 11:39:37 mkfs.jffs2: Unknown compressor name lzo May 07 11:39:40 aw. hmh May 07 11:42:14 SpeedEvil: the wiki says "Neo Freerunner" everywhere: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner May 07 11:42:29 Meh. May 07 11:42:34 * SpeedEvil changes. May 07 11:42:39 :) May 07 11:43:40 nah, that wasn't the problem.. it gets aborted signal.. :P May 07 11:43:57 when free()ing the output buffer of compressor.. May 07 11:53:58 * XorA laughs at the iPhone getting sledge hammered May 07 12:11:35 XorA: url? May 07 12:12:16 rwhitby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3asMSrWews May 07 12:12:20 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/07/iphone_asassination/ May 07 12:16:16 'someone stole my phone'. 'Someone stole my phone' 'Someone stole my phone' May 07 12:16:26 * SpeedEvil wonders when insurance companies'd catch on. May 07 12:16:28 someone has used a deep-fat-fryer? May 07 12:16:48 I don't know. May 07 12:16:48 I have seen a deep fried Nokia 6300, very entertaining all round May 07 12:17:07 to bad it was my phone and I had to clean the vat (fryer) after it fell in :( May 07 12:17:14 was not happy May 07 12:17:20 was it hot? May 07 12:17:58 when it went in, it was 178 degrees May 07 12:18:06 (nugget vat at maccas) May 07 12:18:12 Ah. May 07 12:18:13 when I got it out, on a bit was left :( May 07 12:18:46 patoh: Cleaning fryers reminds me..a friend of mine (for some reason I still don't understand) never let me use his deep frier to fry an ice cream ;) May 07 12:19:08 You've got to batter them first I think. May 07 12:22:49 (the ice-cream, not the people you want to use fat-friers of) May 07 12:23:08 spyre: you want to use vegi oil with ice cream, not shortening May 07 12:23:31 and remember kids, no ice in the fryers May 07 12:23:34 fire will follow May 07 12:32:27 patoh: maybe that was the reason I was never allowed to put ice cream in it ;) May 07 12:34:23 patoh: not strictly true - it's safe with batter. May 07 12:35:07 hi all May 07 12:35:45 SpeedEvil: its a lot more exciting not to use it, especially if you don't have to clean it :) May 07 12:37:01 <[AD]Turbo> hi all May 07 12:39:32 SpeedEvil: as if anyone uses batter :P May 07 12:39:40 spyre: ice cream does not make it bubble, your safe ;) May 07 12:41:45 :) May 07 12:55:07 hrrrm,.... dfu-util seems to be erroring out May 07 13:08:54 fecking uer error... May 07 13:08:57 user May 07 13:08:59 * ScaredyCat sighs May 07 13:11:54 heh heh May 07 13:12:49 More tea needed error! May 07 13:13:57 ok, so openmoko-qtopia-image doesn't build for gta01. May 07 13:14:11 I wonder if openmoko-qtopia-x11-image builds for gta01. May 07 13:14:24 no May 07 13:14:27 oops, I meant openmoko-qtopia-image doesn't build for gta02 May 07 13:16:49 rwhitby: I fixed that this morning May 07 13:19:17 'fixed' May 07 14:31:01 rwhitby: will that bugger up my 01 building ? May 07 14:34:21 mn, read the makefile, see hat you are doing May 07 14:34:24 nm May 07 14:34:34 why oh why mtn checkout is sooooo slow May 07 14:40:46 mmm.... shouldn't the linux-openmoko be called something that's machine specific? May 07 14:40:56 eg linux-openmoko-gta01-.... May 07 14:41:46 ScaredyCat: not really, its only one config file different May 07 14:41:59 ScaredyCat: the packages are machine architecture limited May 07 14:42:05 how different are they 2 defconfigs? May 07 14:42:16 s/they/the/ May 07 14:42:16 ScaredyCat meant: how different are the 2 defconfigs? May 07 14:42:19 ScaredyCat: a couple of lines May 07 14:42:29 unimportant ones? May 07 14:42:45 very important ones :-D May 07 14:42:54 ie installing an o2 on an 01 .. May 07 14:42:55 which serial port is which May 07 14:43:15 right, so they should be differentiated then May 07 14:43:22 anyway time for me to really leave May 07 14:44:19 * ScaredyCat slaps XorA|gone May 07 14:45:18 surely that's just a ${MACHINE} added May 07 15:49:33 ScaredyCat: How's things going? May 07 15:53:44 lo CM... May 07 15:53:46 not so bad I suppose... May 07 15:53:48 you? May 07 15:58:42 ScaredyCat: Somewhat crappy May 07 15:58:49 :( May 07 15:58:53 the mb of my computer gave up after 4 years May 07 15:59:00 So no computer at home :( May 07 15:59:16 Ordered new parts, they were out of the stuff I wanted May 07 15:59:16 ! May 07 15:59:22 I'll get it tomorrow May 07 15:59:33 well, at least that's something :) May 07 15:59:36 And no ssh out from work May 07 15:59:50 sslexplorer May 07 15:59:52 !! May 07 15:59:56 use that May 07 16:00:06 ssh over ssl May 07 16:00:15 ScaredyCat: Yes, but where can I run it? May 07 16:00:26 on your box at home May 07 16:00:39 Yes, but I don't have it yet;) May 07 16:01:28 yes.. but you don;t need ssh now then do you ... May 07 16:01:44 unless you have another box out in the ether... May 07 16:01:48 Soon I'll have a nice Core2Duo 3GHz and 4gb ram to build stuff with May 07 16:01:50 then run slexplorer on that May 07 16:01:56 oooh sweet May 07 16:02:07 64 bit again? May 07 16:02:08 :P May 07 16:02:13 I do have access to a few more boxes, but not sure what I can run on them May 07 16:02:30 Naa... I'll go back to 32 now to fully enjoy the 4 gb ram.. May 07 16:02:56 It can handle 8gb, and ram is dirt cheap so I might add two more sticks later May 07 16:03:16 AFAIR you hade more problems with 64 bit than anything May 07 16:03:22 *nod* May 07 16:03:39 But it worked pretty nicely just before the whole computer gave up :D May 07 16:04:12 I'll keep my old sata drives though, even if a new raptor would be nice to have May 07 16:04:53 No word of the FreeRunner sale yet? May 07 16:05:36 no.. couple of weeks from now I guess... May 07 16:07:08 :( May 07 16:09:32 Latest comment from Steve on May 4th: "After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th." May 07 16:10:10 Oh well, need to get gps working on my gta01 first :) May 07 16:12:21 * ScaredyCat points @ /me images :) May 07 16:13:37 Yeah, saw that post. Great work! May 07 16:14:22 But I can't remember if i have that ipk on the card, and usb- or bluetooth networking didn't work. Need to fix that too May 07 16:22:51 openmoko: 03marcin.slusarz * r891456227881 10/fs/jfs/ (jfs_dmap.c jfs_imap.c jfs_xtree.c): jfs: le*_add_cpu conversion May 07 16:22:52 openmoko: 03davem * rd9b2b2a27721 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): [LIB]: Make PowerPC LMB code generic so sparc64 can use it too. May 07 16:22:52 openmoko: 03davem * reea89e13a9c6 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix bug in __lmb_alloc_base(). May 07 16:22:53 openmoko: 03galak * r27e6672bb991 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix initial lmb add region with a non-zero base May 07 16:22:55 usb broken? May 07 16:22:57 openmoko: 03becky.bruce * re5f270954364 10/ (include/linux/lmb.h lib/lmb.c): [LMB]: Make lmb support large physical addressing May 07 16:23:00 openmoko: 03npiggin * r278525963169 10/fs/nfs/write.c: nfs: use GFP_NOFS preloads for radix-tree insertion May 07 16:23:03 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rcbc20059259e 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/clnt.h net/sunrpc/clnt.c): SUNRPC: Declare as const the rpc_message arguments to rpc_call_sync/async May 07 16:23:06 openmoko: 03kyungmin.park * r66a10506d632 10/drivers/mtd/onenand/onenand_base.c: [MTD] [OneNAND] Fix unlock all in Double Density Package (DDP) May 07 16:23:09 openmoko: 03galak * r74b20dad1c4c 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix lmb_add_region if region should be added at the head May 07 16:23:12 openmoko: 03seto.hidetoshi * rb64f34cdfe5b 10/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [IA64] VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING (accurate cpu time accounting) May 07 16:23:15 openmoko: 03david-b * r1071695f17da 10/drivers/acpi/glue.c: ACPI: crosslink ACPI and "real" device nodes May 07 16:23:26 openmoko: 03dwmw2 * rb28ba9fa0154 10/fs/jffs2/fs.c: [JFFS2] Set i_blocks when truncating files May 07 16:23:28 openmoko: 03dwmw2 * rdd919660aacd 10/fs/jffs2/fs.c: [JFFS2] Use ALLOC_DELETION priority for truncation to zero length May 07 16:23:31 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r4b5621f6b127 10/fs/nfs/write.c: NFS: Fix an f_mode/f_flags confusion in fs/nfs/write.c May 07 16:23:34 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r383ba7193851 10/fs/nfs/ (direct.c inode.c read.c write.c): NFS: Fix a deadlock with lazy umount May 07 16:23:37 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r32bfb5c0f495 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/sched.h net/sunrpc/sched.c): SUNRPC: Allow the rpc_release() callback to be run on another workqueue May 07 16:23:40 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r5746006f1d17 10/fs/nfs/ (inode.c internal.h): NFS: Add an nfsiod workqueue May 07 16:23:43 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r101070ca2fe6 10/fs/nfs/ (direct.c nfs4proc.c read.c write.c): NFS: Ensure that the asynchronous RPC calls complete on nfsiod. May 07 16:23:49 ^ why we stopped using CIA... May 07 16:23:56 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rfde95c7554aa 10/net/sunrpc/ (sched.c xprt.c): SUNRPC: Clean up rpc_run_timer() May 07 16:23:59 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r96ef13b28393 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SUNRPC: Add a new helper rpc_wake_up_queued_task() May 07 16:24:02 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rfda139393803 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): SUNRPC: Convert users of rpc_wake_up_task to use rpc_wake_up_queued_task May 07 16:24:05 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * r5d00837b9034 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): SUNRPC: Run rpc timeout functions as callbacks instead of in softirqs May 07 16:24:08 openmoko: 03paulus * rf8303dd3db57 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): Merge master.kernel.org:/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/lmb-2.6 May 07 16:24:11 openmoko: 03pbadari * rf8c8803bda4d 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [POWERPC] Add code for removing HPTEs for parts of the linear mapping May 07 16:24:24 openmoko: 03dale * r445857e0fc16 10/arch/ (powerpc/kernel/head_32.S ppc/kernel/head.S): [POWERPC] Remove dead code at KernelAltiVec May 07 16:24:27 openmoko: 03julia * r4217c7b529af 10/arch/ppc/8xx_io/commproc.c: [POWERPC] Use FIELD_SIZEOF in arch/ppc May 07 16:24:30 openmoko: 03johannes * rd9d1063d47cb 10/arch/powerpc/sysdev/mpic.c: [POWERPC] mpic: Make sparse happy May 07 16:24:33 openmoko: 03avorontsov * r50530378161f 10/arch/powerpc/platforms/8xx/m8xx_setup.c: [POWERPC] 8xx: Timebase frequency should not depend on bus-frequency May 07 16:24:36 openmoko: 03benh * r6a2d322e4b81 10/include/asm-powerpc/cputhreads.h: [POWERPC] Fix thinko in cpu_thread_mask_to_cores() May 07 16:24:39 openmoko: 03vitja.makarov * r8b5f79f9d7ee 10/arch/blackfin/ (Kconfig kernel/Makefile kernel/process.c kernel/time-ts.c): [Blackfin] arch: initial generic time and clock sources May 07 16:24:50 openmoko: 03vapier.adi * rb4e2d18f73e1 10/arch/blackfin/configs/ (4 files): [Blackfin] arch: add board bluetechnix kernel defconfigs to kernel May 07 16:24:53 openmoko: 03vapier.adi * r1307a6513096 10/arch/blackfin/configs/ (12 files): [Blackfin] arch: turn generic time on by default May 07 16:24:56 (105 lines omitted) May 07 16:24:58 openmoko: 03den * r9b0f976f27f0 10/ (11 files in 4 dirs): [INET]: Remove struct net_proto_family* from _init calls. May 07 16:25:01 openmoko: 03den * ra5710d658286 10/ (include/net/icmp.h net/ipv4/af_inet.c net/ipv4/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Add return code to icmp_init. May 07 16:25:04 openmoko: 03den * r1e3cf6834e7d 10/net/ipv4/icmp.c: [ICMP]: Optimize icmp_socket usage. May 07 16:25:06 openmoko: 03den * rb7e729c4b477 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Store sock rather than socket for ICMP flow control. May 07 16:25:11 openmoko: 03den * r405666db84b9 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Pass proper ICMP socket into icmp(v6)_xmit_(un)lock. May 07 16:25:22 openmoko: 03den * r79c911595390 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [ICMP]: Allocate data for __icmp(v6)_sk dynamically. May 07 16:25:25 openmoko: 03den * r9dfbec1fb2be 10/net/netlink/af_netlink.c: [NETLINK]: No need for a separate __netlink_release call. May 07 16:25:28 openmoko: 03den * redf020870200 10/ (include/net/sock.h net/core/sock.c net/netlink/af_netlink.c): [NET]: Make netlink_kernel_release publically available as sk_release_kernel. May 07 16:25:31 openmoko: 03den * r5c8cafd65e14 10/net/ (ipv4/icmp.c ipv6/icmp.c): [NETNS]: icmp(v6)_sk should not pin a namespace. May 07 16:25:34 openmoko: 03den * r4a6ad7a141cb 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv4.h net/ipv4/icmp.c): [NETNS]: Make icmp_sk per namespace. May 07 16:25:39 openmoko: 03den * r98c6d1b261e7 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/icmp.c): [NETNS]: Make icmpv6_sk per namespace. May 07 16:25:50 openmoko: 03davem * r45af1754bc09 10/net/core/sock.c: [NET]: sk_release_kernel needs to be exported to modules May 07 16:25:53 openmoko: 03xemul * r9a8c09e73bf6 10/net/atm/ (lec.c proc.c): [ATM]: Use seq_open/release_privade instead of manual manipulations. May 07 16:25:56 openmoko: 03xemul * rc20932d2c9ba 10/net/ (appletalk/aarp.c decnet/af_decnet.c): [ATALK/DECNET]: Use seq_open_private in appletalk and decnet. May 07 16:25:59 openmoko: 03xemul * r665bba10872f 10/net/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER/RXRPC]: Don't use seq_release_private where inappropriate. May 07 16:26:02 openmoko: 03nhorman * r58fbbed4fbc0 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [SCTP]: extend exported data in /proc/net/sctp/assoc May 07 16:26:07 openmoko: 03den * rfd80eb942ad9 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [INET]: Remove struct dst_entry *dst from request_sock_ops.rtx_syn_ack. May 07 16:26:22 openmoko: 03xemul * r95a363582b69 10/net/core/dev_mcast.c: [NET]: Use existing device list walker for /proc/dev_mcast. May 07 16:26:25 openmoko: 03ilpo.jarvinen * ra90bcbd651b4 10/include/net/sctp/sctp.h: [SCTP]: Kill unused static inline sctp_sysctl_jiffies_ms May 07 16:26:28 openmoko: 03ilpo.jarvinen * r03a64c93b68e 10/include/net/llc_if.h: [LLC]: Kill static inline llc_addrany May 07 16:26:31 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb22052569657 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: set assoc flag to bss_conf May 07 16:26:34 openmoko: 03johannes * r7d185b8bb17e 10/net/mac80211/tx.c: mac80211: allow sending multicast frames through virtual ports May 07 16:26:39 openmoko: 03hs4233 * r1afc09ab7c62 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (cmd.c cmdresp.c): libertas: trim overly long debug statement May 07 16:26:44 openmoko: 03hs4233 * r52507c20870d 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmdresp.c join.c): libertas: make association debug output nicer May 07 16:26:55 openmoko: 03hs4233 * re226868ec3f3 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c assoc.h main.c): libertas: make lbs_sync_channel() static May 07 16:26:58 openmoko: 03hs4233 * r23ff50361f23 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (join.c join.h scan.c): libertas: make lbs_unset_basic_rate_flags() static May 07 16:27:01 (114 lines omitted) May 07 16:27:03 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r31562e802a72 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (8 files): rt2x00: Cleanup mode registration May 07 16:27:08 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r47b10cd13758 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt2x00usb.c rt2x00usb.h rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Remove async vendor request calls from rt2x00usb May 07 16:27:13 openmoko: 03gwingerde * r47ac26833663 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00dev.c: rt2x00: Fix hw mode registration with mac80211. May 07 16:27:16 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rce359f90d3c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.h: rt2x00: Fix MAC address defines in rt61pci May 07 16:27:27 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2533d5f800d3 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.2 May 07 16:27:30 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb46b4ee03464 10/net/wireless/reg.c: wireless: update US regulatory domain May 07 16:27:33 openmoko: 0312o3l * r013b73faff10 10/drivers/net/wireless/strip.c: wireless: Convert to list_for_each_entry_rcu() May 07 16:27:38 openmoko: 03johannes * rd2259243a198 10/net/mac80211/ (rx.c sta_info.c tx.c): mac80211: invoke set_tim() callback after setting own TIM info May 07 16:27:42 Wee! May 07 16:27:43 openmoko: 03johannes * r836341a70471 10/net/mac80211/ (debugfs_sta.c rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: remove sta TIM flag, fix expiry TIM handling May 07 16:27:46 openmoko: 03johannes * r004c872e78d4 10/net/mac80211/ (ieee80211_i.h rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: consolidate TIM handling code May 07 16:27:55 openmoko: 03mb * rffc7689ddae5 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add support for 8bit register access May 07 16:27:57 openmoko: 03johannes * re63e3fa7bd4d 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix sparse warnings May 07 16:28:00 openmoko: 03johannes * rc2976ab00569 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: fix sparse warnings May 07 16:28:04 openmoko: 03proski * rd97cf01576e1 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix incorrect use of CONFIG_MAC80211_IBSS_DEBUG May 07 16:28:11 openmoko: 03johannes * rd46e144b65bf 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mac80211: rework TX filtered frame code May 07 16:28:14 openmoko: 03johannes * r43ba7e958f2c 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c ieee80211.c ieee80211_sta.c sta_info.c sta_info.h): mac80211: atomically check whether STA exists already May 07 16:28:19 openmoko: 03johannes * r665e8aafb4e0 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211.c: mac80211: Disallow concurrent IBSS/STA mode interfaces May 07 16:28:26 openmoko: 03johannes * rf3af89d1aaaf 10/net/mac80211/debugfs_sta.c: mac80211: fix debugfs_sta print_mac() warning May 07 16:28:29 openmoko: 03johannes * rfba4a1e63723 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix IBSS code May 07 16:28:33 openmoko: 03aurelien * r28de57d1a9eb 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add CHIPCO IRQ access functions May 07 16:28:39 What is this, some big merge, or just cia waking up again May 07 16:28:39 openmoko: 03mb * r8f300ae5b819 10/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy/b43legacy.h: b43legacy: Fix nondebug build May 07 16:28:42 openmoko: 03johannes * r9a89c839f793 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix cfg80211 band API conversion May 07 16:28:45 openmoko: 03florian.fainelli * r58e307398317 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: print unknown eeprom fields May 07 16:28:50 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r1497074ad790 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.c: rt2x00: Check for 5GHz band in link tuner May 07 16:28:57 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * re6084239d39a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.3 May 07 16:29:00 (110 lines omitted) May 07 16:29:02 openmoko: 03johannes * r38968d096b9f 10/drivers/net/wireless/b43/main.c: b43: verify sta_notify mac80211 callback May 07 16:29:02 Geeze. May 07 16:29:09 well, they might have actually done dsome work :) May 07 16:29:11 openmoko: 03johannes * r96c46546e282 10/net/mac80211/key.c: mac80211: always insert key into list May 07 16:29:13 openmoko: 03luisca * r37659ff8e1d8 10/net/mac80211/ (Kconfig mesh_hwmp.c mesh_plink.c): mac80211: fix mesh endianness sparse warnings and unmark it as broken May 07 16:29:16 openmoko: 03luisca * r1d1b535969ca 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix incorrect parenthesis May 07 16:29:21 openmoko: 03marcin.slusarz * r891456227881 10/fs/jfs/ (jfs_dmap.c jfs_imap.c jfs_xtree.c): jfs: le*_add_cpu conversion May 07 16:29:22 I suspect catchup May 07 16:29:30 openmoko: 03luisca * r3b091cd49419 10/net/mac80211/mesh.c: mac80211: move comment to better location May 07 16:29:33 openmoko: 03davem * rd9b2b2a27721 10/ (34 files in 13 dirs): [LIB]: Make PowerPC LMB code generic so sparc64 can use it too. May 07 16:29:40 openmoko: 03luisca * r4f5d4c4da89c 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: breakdown mesh network attributes in different extra fields for wext May 07 16:29:43 openmoko: 03davem * reea89e13a9c6 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix bug in __lmb_alloc_base(). May 07 16:29:45 openmoko: 03luisca * raa2b5928433c 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_hwmp.c mesh_plink.c): mac80211: clean up use of endianness conversion functions May 07 16:29:47 But the names are from non-om people I guess May 07 16:29:50 openmoko: 03luisca * r89a1ad6990d8 10/net/mac80211/mesh_pathtbl.c: mac80211: delete mesh_path timer on mesh_path removal May 07 16:29:55 davem suggest to me that it is an merge with upstrem kernel May 07 16:29:57 openmoko: 03luisca * rcfa22c716f65 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c mesh.h mesh_hwmp.c mesh_pathtbl.c): mac80211: always force mesh_path deletions May 07 16:30:00 openmoko: 03luisca * rb4e08ea141e6 10/net/mac80211/ (6 files): mac80211: add PLINK_ prefix and kernel doc to enum plink_state May 07 16:30:04 suggests May 07 16:30:06 Exactly my thought :) May 07 16:30:09 openmoko: 03luisca * ra00de5d08b4b 10/net/mac80211/mesh_hwmp.c: mac80211: path IE fields macros, fix alignment problems and clean up May 07 16:30:12 openmoko: 03galak * r27e6672bb991 10/lib/lmb.c: [LMB]: Fix initial lmb add region with a non-zero base May 07 16:30:15 openmoko: 03luisca * r2a8ca29a88e3 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_pathtbl.c sta_info.c): mac80211: fix mesh_path and sta_info get_by_idx functions May 07 16:30:18 openmoko: 03becky.bruce * re5f270954364 10/ (include/linux/lmb.h lib/lmb.c): [LMB]: Make lmb support large physical addressing May 07 16:30:25 openmoko: 03johannes * r69d3b6f49154 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix hardware scan completion May 07 16:30:28 openmoko: 03npiggin * r278525963169 10/fs/nfs/write.c: nfs: use GFP_NOFS preloads for radix-tree insertion May 07 16:30:33 openmoko: 03mb * raab547ce0d14 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add Gigabit Ethernet driver May 07 16:30:39 openmoko: 03Trond.Myklebust * rcbc20059259e 10/ (include/linux/sunrpc/clnt.h net/sunrpc/clnt.c): SUNRPC: Declare as const the rpc_message arguments to rpc_call_sync/async May 07 16:30:42 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r2acae16ee793 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945.h iwl-4965.h iwl3945-base.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: removing unused priv->config May 07 16:30:45 (168 lines omitted) May 07 16:30:47 openmoko: 03bernds_cb1 * r00d205a1ce1a 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/cplb-mpu/cplbmgr.c: [Blackfin] arch: lose unnecessary dependency on CONFIG_BFIN_ICACHE for MPU May 07 16:30:54 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2d1be5b0d171 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt73usb.c: rt2x00: Don't use uninitialized desc_len May 07 16:30:59 openmoko: 03bernds_cb1 * r5d750b9e4f6c 10/arch/blackfin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Remove the circular buffering mechanism for exceptions May 07 16:31:08 openmoko: 03mattias.nissler * r2ae23854dc0a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Don't use unitialized rxdesc->size May 07 16:31:11 openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * r1e78042c77dc 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/setup.c: [Blackfin] arch: take DDR DEVWD into consideration as well for BF548 May 07 16:31:14 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r3976ae6c2b09 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00dev.c: rt2x00: Use skbdesc fields for descriptor initialization May 07 16:31:17 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r8af244ccb14a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2400pci.c rt2500pci.c rt2500usb.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Only disable beaconing just before beacon update May 07 16:31:26 openmoko: 03linux * rfd07e06380a1 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00usb.c: rt2x00:correct rx packet length for USB devices May 07 16:31:31 err.. May 07 16:31:37 openmoko: 03luis.f.correia * r61191fb272df 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Fix trivial log message May 07 16:31:40 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r5f46c4d0537a 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00debug.c rt2x00queue.c): rt2x00: Upgrade queue->lock to use irqsave May 07 16:31:43 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * ra7f3a06cbb63 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (Kconfig rt2x00.h rt2x00firmware.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Move firmware checksumming to driver May 07 16:31:46 openmoko: 03sonic.zhang * r2fb6cb41ecb3 10/arch/blackfin/Kconfig: [Blackfin] arch: Add a warning about the value of CLKIN. May 07 16:31:49 How many merges was there in the latest kernel, 6000? May 07 16:31:49 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * ra4fe07d91309 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2400pci.c rt2500pci.c rt2500usb.c rt61pci.c rt73usb.c): rt2x00: Start bugging when rt2x00lib doesn't filter SW diversity May 07 16:31:56 openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * r8e39df215c4b 10/include/asm-blackfin/mach-bf561/defBF561.h: [Blackfin] arch: Equalize include files: Add PLL_DIV Masks May 07 16:32:05 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * re4030a2f40a9 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00mac.c: rt2x00: Check IEEE80211_TXCTL_SEND_AFTER_DTIM flag May 07 16:32:08 openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * rfe44193c55e2 10/arch/blackfin/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Functional power management support: Remove broken cpu frequency scaling drivers May 07 16:32:11 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r728103794316 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (10 files): rt2x00: Rename config_preamble() to config_erp() May 07 16:32:14 openmoko: 03michael.hennerich * re6c91b64dd6e 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: Functional power management support: Add support for cpu frequency scaling May 07 16:32:21 openmoko: 03vapier * r0c11700dbfaf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: add include/boot .gitignore files May 07 16:32:24 openmoko: 03graf.yang * r7d01b475ab17 10/drivers/serial/bfin_5xx.c: Blackfin Serial Driver: Enable IR function when user application (irattach /dev/ttyBFx -s) call TIOCSETD ioctl with line discipline N_IRDA May 07 16:32:33 openmoko: 03den * ra337499f660f 10/drivers/net/via-velocity.c: [IPV4]: Remove ifa != NULL check. May 07 16:32:35 openmoko: 03den * r5811769c788e 10/net/atm/clip.c: [IPV4]: Remove check for ifa->ifa_dev != NULL. May 07 16:32:37 openmoko: 03david-b * r3ee08aea72f4 10/drivers/clocksource/tcb_clksrc.c: tclib: Fix compile warnings May 07 16:32:40 (167 lines omitted) May 07 16:32:42 openmoko: 03mohamed.abbas * r2c28b36275b5 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: iwlwifi: set rate_idx correctly from plcp May 07 16:32:49 openmoko: 03chuck.lever * r2ca7754d4c96 10/fs/lockd/mon.c: lockd: Fix up incorrect RPC buffer size calculations. May 07 16:32:52 openmoko: 03chuck.lever * r0490a54a00c1 10/ (fs/lockd/mon.c include/linux/lockd/sm_inter.h): lockd: introduce new function to encode private argument in SM_MON requests May 07 16:32:55 openmoko: 03davem * ra25606c84585 10/ (14 files in 12 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6 May 07 16:33:04 openmoko: 03peter.p.waskiewicz.jr * r82cc1a7a5687 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [NET]: Add per-connection option to set max TSO frame size May 07 16:33:07 openmoko: 03dlezcano * rea82edf704f6 10/net/ipv6/mcast.c: [NETNS][IPV6] mcast - fix compilation warning when procfs is not compiled in May 07 16:33:10 openmoko: 03dlezcano * ra91275eff43a 10/ (include/net/udp.h net/ipv4/udp.c): [NETNS][IPV6] udp - make proc handle the network namespace May 07 16:33:17 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r8d9f1744cab5 10/net/ipv4/inet_timewait_sock.c: [NETNS][IPV6] tcp - assign the netns for timewait sockets May 07 16:33:20 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r406f2388cc1f 10/net/wireless/util.c: wireless: Fix WARN_ON() with ieee802.11b May 07 16:33:23 openmoko: 03dlezcano * rf40c8174d3c2 10/ (include/net/tcp.h net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c): [NETNS][IPV4] tcp - make proc handle the network namespaces May 07 16:33:32 openmoko: 03mcgrof * rd8ee398d183d 10/drivers/net/wireless/ (8 files in 2 dirs): ath5k: Port to new bitrate/channel API May 07 16:33:35 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r0c96d8c50bff 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] udp6 - make proc per namespace May 07 16:33:38 openmoko: 03mcgrof * r400ec45a02b2 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ (ath5k.h base.c initvals.c phy.c): ath5k: Cleanup after API changes May 07 16:33:42 * zedstar moon walks across the room May 07 16:33:45 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r6f8b13bcb336 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] tcp6 - make proc per namespace May 07 16:33:48 openmoko: 03mcgrof * ra3f4b914a03a 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/base.c: ath5k: ath5k_copy_channels() was not setting the channel band May 07 16:33:51 openmoko: 03shemminger * rb1153f29ee07 10/net/netlink/af_netlink.c: netlink: make socket filters work on netlink May 07 16:33:54 openmoko: 03mcgrof * re9ddc0f25ce5 10/drivers/net/wireless/ (Kconfig ath5k/Kconfig ath5k/Makefile): ath5k: Use our own Kconfig file, we'll be expanding this shortly May 07 16:33:57 * ScaredyCat moons the room May 07 16:34:03 openmoko: 03xemul * r28518fc1701a 10/net/ipv4/ (tcp_ipv4.c udp.c): [NET]: NULL pointer dereference and other nasty things in /proc/net/(tcp|udp)[6] May 07 16:34:06 openmoko: 03mcgrof * rb446197cc14e 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ (Kconfig Makefile base.c base.h debug.c debug.h): ath5k: Port debug.c over to the new band API and enable as build option May 07 16:34:15 openmoko: 03mcgrof * r6844e63a9458 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/base.c: ath5k: Use software encryption for now May 07 16:34:18 openmoko: 03shemminger * r4cd9029d25f6 10/include/net/sock.h: socket: SOCK_DEBUG type checking May 07 16:34:20 openmoko: 03mcgrof * re71c9fac3162 10/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/phy.c: ath5k/phy.c: fix negative array index May 07 16:34:23 openmoko: 03mcmanus * r539fae89bebd 10/net/ipv4/inet_connection_sock.c: [TCP]: TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT updates - defer timeout conflicts with max_thresh May 07 16:34:26 * CM just moons CIA-43 May 07 16:34:32 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r70e2fed4ec14 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00config.c rt2x00dev.c rt2x00lib.h rt2x00reg.h): rt2x00: Rate structure overhaul May 07 16:34:35 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rf5507ce90be4 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2500usb.c rt2500usb.h rt2x00.h rt2x00config.c rt2x00dev.c): rt2x00: Remove HWMODE_{A,B,G} May 07 16:34:42 (145 lines omitted) May 07 16:34:44 openmoko: 03hs4233 * rc97329e21fc4 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmd.c decl.h): libertas: fix scheduling while atomic bug in CMD_MAC_CONTROL May 07 16:34:45 The only alternative thing I could come up with is something like 'blackfin? May 07 16:34:47 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * rce359f90d3c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.h: rt2x00: Fix MAC address defines in rt61pci May 07 16:34:48 err May 07 16:34:50 openmoko: 03ivdoorn * r2533d5f800d3 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2x00.h: rt2x00: Release rt2x00 2.1.2 May 07 16:34:50 blackfin? May 07 16:34:55 openmoko: 03hs4233 * rc49c3b77c8c6 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (assoc.c cmd.c cmdresp.c dev.h hostcmd.h wext.c): libertas: convert GET_LOG to a direct command May 07 16:34:58 yeah, but you're only pretending.. May 07 16:35:02 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * rb46b4ee03464 10/net/wireless/reg.c: wireless: update US regulatory domain May 07 16:35:04 * ScaredyCat is actually doing it May 07 16:35:05 openmoko: 03hs4233 * rd4ff0ef635b2 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (cmd.c cmdresp.c decl.h if_cs.c main.c wext.c): libertas: misc power saving adjusts May 07 16:35:06 Some of this doesn't seem neo related. May 07 16:35:12 openmoko: 0312o3l * r013b73faff10 10/drivers/net/wireless/strip.c: wireless: Convert to list_for_each_entry_rcu() May 07 16:35:15 openmoko: 03hs4233 * re98a88dd33b7 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (10 files): libertas: remove lots of unused stuff May 07 16:35:15 Is it simply confused? May 07 16:35:17 was some sun stuff before May 07 16:35:18 openmoko: 03hs4233 * rff829ae01644 10/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/ (debugfs.c scan.c scan.h): libertas: store rssi as an u32 May 07 16:35:21 and powerpc May 07 16:35:23 openmoko: 03johannes * rd2259243a198 10/net/mac80211/ (rx.c sta_info.c tx.c): mac80211: invoke set_tim() callback after setting own TIM info May 07 16:35:30 openmoko: 03johannes * r836341a70471 10/net/mac80211/ (debugfs_sta.c rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: remove sta TIM flag, fix expiry TIM handling May 07 16:35:33 openmoko: 03reinette.chatre * r99f7d39bb020 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945-hw.h iwl-eeprom.h): iwlwifi: remove macros containing offsets from eeprom struct May 07 16:35:37 Maybe there are a _lot_ of new models coming out soon :) May 07 16:35:40 Huge whole kernel sync or? May 07 16:35:40 openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r316c30d9dddc 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-4965.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Re-ordering probe flow (4965) May 07 16:35:43 openmoko: 03johannes * r004c872e78d4 10/net/mac80211/ (ieee80211_i.h rx.c sta_info.c sta_info.h tx.c): mac80211: consolidate TIM handling code May 07 16:35:48 openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r00acbc91354f 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-4965.c iwl-4965.h iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Packing all 4965 parameters May 07 16:35:55 openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * r1d0a082d38de 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-core.c iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: Probe Flow - Performing allocation in a separate function May 07 16:35:58 openmoko: 03mb * rffc7689ddae5 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add support for 8bit register access May 07 16:36:00 openmoko: 03johannes * re63e3fa7bd4d 10/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.c: adm8211: fix sparse warnings May 07 16:36:07 openmoko: 03assaf.krauss * rbf85ea4fbeca 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (7 files): iwlwifi: Probe Flow - Extracting hw and priv init May 07 16:36:08 muha May 07 16:36:10 openmoko: 03johannes * rc2976ab00569 10/drivers/net/wireless/p54common.c: p54: fix sparse warnings May 07 16:36:14 (105 lines omitted) May 07 16:36:16 openmoko: 03davem * rf89e6e383403 10/ (63 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-2.6.26 May 07 16:36:23 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r7b4da53229bb 10/ (include/net/ip6_route.h net/ipv6/addrconf.c net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - Pass the network namespace parameter to rt6_purge_dflt_routers May 07 16:36:26 openmoko: 03davem * rdfe98e9214ce 10/ (135 files in 43 dirs): Merge branch 'net-2.6.26-netns-20080326' of git://git.linux-ipv6.org/gitroot/yoshfuji/linux-2.6-dev May 07 16:36:33 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r5578689a4e3c 10/ (include/net/ip6_route.h net/ipv6/af_inet6.c net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - make route6 per namespace May 07 16:36:36 openmoko: 03kaber * r30c69fed7d94 10/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_CLUSTERIP.c: [NETFILTER]: ipt_CLUSTERIP: fix non-existant macro-name May 07 16:36:41 openmoko: 03dlezcano * rbdb3289f739e 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] rt6_info - make rt6_info accessed as a pointer May 07 16:36:48 openmoko: 03kaber * ref27559b70bd 10/include/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tuple.h: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: fix NF_CT_TUPLE_DUMP for IPv4 May 07 16:36:51 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r8ed677896752 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [NETNS][IPV6] rt6_info - move rt6_info structure inside the namespace May 07 16:36:54 openmoko: 03kaber * r1d9d752259ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: constify nf_ct_expect_init arguments May 07 16:37:01 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r9a7ec3a94d8d 10/net/ipv6/route.c: [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - dynamically allocate ip6_dst_ops May 07 16:37:04 openmoko: 03kaber * r4bb119eab7b7 10/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_expect.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: show NF_CT_EXPECT_PERMANENT flag in /proc May 07 16:37:09 openmoko: 03benjamin.thery * rf2fc6a54585a 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - move ip6_dst_ops inside the network namespace May 07 16:37:16 openmoko: 03kaber * r359b9ab614ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_expect: support inactive expectations May 07 16:37:19 openmoko: 03benjamin.thery * r6891a346c387 10/ (include/net/netns/ipv6.h net/ipv6/route.c): [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - make garbage collection work with multiple network namespaces May 07 16:37:26 openmoko: 03kaber * r6002f266b3e7 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: introduce expectation classes and policies May 07 16:37:29 openmoko: 03kaber * rb8beedd25d39 10/include/ (linux/netfilter.h net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tuple.h): [NETFILTER]: Add nf_inet_addr_cmp() May 07 16:37:34 openmoko: 03dlezcano * r7019b78e1483 10/net/ipv6/route.c: [NETNS][IPV6] route6 - Make ip6_dst_gc simpler May 07 16:37:36 * ScaredyCat suggests killing CIA-43 May 07 16:37:37 openmoko: 03kaber * r3d244121d88c 10/net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_sip.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_nat_sip: fix NAT setup order May 07 16:37:44 openmoko: 03sha2 * r6b3d626321c1 10/net/ipv4/tcp_cubic.c: [TCP]: TCP cubic v2.2 May 07 16:37:46 openmoko: 03kaber * rb1ec488b1fb3 10/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.c: [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_sip: fix some off-by-ones May 07 16:37:49 openmoko: 03olof * rafea3278f73c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): pasemi_mac: Move RX/TX section enablement to dma_lib May 07 16:37:56 openmoko: 03kaber * r2a6cfb22ae00 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack_sip: adjust dptr and datalen after packet mangling May 07 16:37:59 (156 lines omitted) May 07 16:37:59 Is there a temporary/time limited /ignore? May 07 16:38:01 * josch stabs CIA in the back May 07 16:38:03 openmoko: 03luisca * r89a1ad6990d8 10/net/mac80211/mesh_pathtbl.c: mac80211: delete mesh_path timer on mesh_path removal May 07 16:38:06 openmoko: 03xemul * r789e41e6f496 10/net/ipv4/icmp.c: [NETNS][ICMP]: Build fix for NET_NS=n case (dev->nd_net is omitted). May 07 16:38:07 ~blame mickey|dinner May 07 16:38:07 * apt blames mickey|dinner (and Canada) for all the evil in the world May 07 16:38:10 hi, any ideas why mkfs.jffs2 crashes? http://pastebin.com/d604be1e May 07 16:38:13 openmoko: 03yi.li 07mokopatches-tracking * r2e8d7965e69a 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/setup.c: [Blackfin] arch: add code to initialize globals declared in linux/bootmem.h: max_pfn, max_low_pfn, min_low_pfn. May 07 16:38:16 openmoko: 03luisca * rcfa22c716f65 10/net/mac80211/ (cfg.c mesh.h mesh_hwmp.c mesh_pathtbl.c): mac80211: always force mesh_path deletions May 07 16:38:16 Can someone kick it? May 07 16:38:23 for a while. May 07 16:38:24 teprrr, certainly the wrong time to ask :P May 07 16:38:25 openmoko: 03david * recc6cd73b7cc 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): [POWERPC] Start removing linux,network-index in favour of aliases May 07 16:38:32 openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * r793dc27b51b2 10/arch/blackfin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: conditionally enable flash resources since it requests the async memory bank May 07 16:38:35 openmoko: 03sr * r464076a4b328 10/arch/powerpc/kernel/ (cpu_setup_44x.S cputable.c): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add AMCC 460EX/460GT support to cputable.c & cpu_setup_44x.S May 07 16:38:37 ScaredyCat sorry.. would do something.. but i do not have access to the cia account May 07 16:38:40 openmoko: 03luisca * rb4e08ea141e6 10/net/mac80211/ (6 files): mac80211: add PLINK_ prefix and kernel doc to enum plink_state May 07 16:38:40 Hey apt, how about blaiming some other country for a while? What did Canada ever to do you? :) May 07 16:38:43 openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * rf85c4abdbc24 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/bfin_gpio.c: [Blackfin] arch: dump the stack before printing out an error otherwise the stack dump is useless as it shows us tracing through printk May 07 16:38:50 are you a chanop ? May 07 16:38:50 josch, ye.. hmm, someone changed the bot settings? :) May 07 16:38:51 openmoko: 03luisca * ra00de5d08b4b 10/net/mac80211/mesh_hwmp.c: mac80211: path IE fields macros, fix alignment problems and clean up May 07 16:38:58 openmoko: 03sr * r66e4b3341d72 10/arch/powerpc/platforms/44x/ (Kconfig Makefile canyonlands.c): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add AMCC Canyonlands 460EX eval board support to platforms/44x May 07 16:39:01 openmoko: 03vapier.adi 07mokopatches-tracking * rd171c23327e2 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/bfin_gpio.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix up gpio code style -- no functional changes May 07 16:39:08 openmoko: 03luisca * r2a8ca29a88e3 10/net/mac80211/ (mesh_pathtbl.c sta_info.c): mac80211: fix mesh_path and sta_info get_by_idx functions May 07 16:39:11 openmoko: 03johannes * r69d3b6f49154 10/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c: mac80211: fix hardware scan completion May 07 16:39:18 openmoko: 03cooloney 07mokopatches-tracking * r81d9c7f27dd6 10/arch/blackfin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: add i2c board info struct and move to new-style i2c interface May 07 16:39:25 openmoko: 03sr * r8bc4a51d28b7 10/arch/powerpc/boot/dts/canyonlands.dts: [POWERPC] 4xx: Add Canyonlands DTS May 07 16:39:26 teprrr: Are you on gentoo? May 07 16:39:28 openmoko: 03rgetz 07mokopatches-tracking * r9a62ca40fd79 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/traps.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix bug - when we crash, current is not valid May 07 16:39:31 openmoko: 03mb * raab547ce0d14 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): ssb: Add Gigabit Ethernet driver May 07 16:39:35 openmoko: 03sr * r66b7e504c0e6 10/arch/powerpc/sysdev/ (ppc4xx_pci.c ppc4xx_pci.h): [POWERPC] 4xx: Add 460EX PCIe support to 4xx pci driver May 07 16:39:38 openmoko: 03rgetz 07mokopatches-tracking * r904656cda10c 10/arch/blackfin/kernel/traps.c: [Blackfin] arch: fix bug - grab locks when not atomic May 07 16:39:45 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r2acae16ee793 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-3945.h iwl-4965.h iwl3945-base.c iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: removing unused priv->config May 07 16:39:49 hmm May 07 16:39:50 wtf. May 07 16:39:52 openmoko: 03cooloney 07mokopatches-tracking * rb594272c5e28 10/include/asm-blackfin/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [Blackfin] arch: remove TWI I2C register accessing helper macros, because we moved to use i2c new-style interface May 07 16:39:56 openmoko: 03tomas.winkler * r8211ef78d902 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (5 files): iwlwifi: refactor init geos function May 07 16:39:57 googlefight CIA-43 Vs goatse May 07 16:40:05 for a little while :) May 07 16:40:06 CM, nope, ubuntu 8.04. had the same problem earlier with 7.10 also. May 07 16:40:06 ah, silence May 07 16:40:10 phew May 07 16:40:30 CM, and fixed it by commenting out that line.. but now I haven't out way to recompile it again.. May 07 16:40:34 * zedstar was in a trance induced from the scrolling May 07 16:40:34 rwhitby: ping May 07 16:40:43 rwhitby: uploading image now.... May 07 16:40:48 I see now the hardware is complete dev work has speeded up ;) May 07 16:40:50 rebuild fetches a new source and thus removes the modification and build-package doesn't either work.. May 07 16:41:30 but I doubt commenting out that line is the way it should be done.. May 07 16:41:50 teprrr: create a patch to do it... May 07 16:42:03 teprrr: I had some issue with mtd-utils on 64-bit gentoo before May 07 16:42:09 then cp the .bb to your own overlay May 07 16:42:09 that's why I asked May 07 16:42:54 CM, yes, this is 64b system though May 07 16:43:03 mwester: I tried some more suspend/resume tests with the "console=ttySAC0" line added, and so far it seems to be working. One step closer to being able to use the Neo as my main phone. May 07 16:43:11 ScaredyCat, hrm May 07 16:57:40 lets see May 07 16:57:41 openmoko: 03linville 07mokopatches-tracking * r3480a58a90cd 10/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/ (rt2x00.h rt2x00dev.c): rt2x00: fixup some non-functional merge errors May 07 16:57:44 openmoko: 03akpm 07mokopatches-tracking * r0675abdbfbcb 10/net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.c: net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.c: use of bool triggers a gcc bug May 07 16:57:45 still May 07 16:57:47 openmoko: 03mabbas 07mokopatches-tracking * rc8381fdcab98 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (iwl-core.c iwl-core.h iwl4965-base.c): iwlwifi: add notification infrastructure to iwlcore May 07 16:57:54 openmoko: 03mabbas 07mokopatches-tracking * rad97edd2f524 10/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/ (9 files): iwlwifi: hook iwlwifi with Linux rfkill May 07 16:58:32 :D May 07 17:00:54 it's really fun when you have it in an svn post-commit hook, and the bot lags (or dies). your commit hangs too May 07 17:08:46 only if you don;t fork your mesage to the bot May 07 17:20:02 * * OM Bug 1383 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info May 07 17:20:03 * * GSM functions fail after several hours May 07 17:20:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1383 May 07 17:39:52 Can anyone quickly tell me what's the proper way to make a JFFS2 image from a rootfs tarball? May 07 17:40:17 Does it require any -p option, for instance, or just a simple conversion? May 07 19:03:46 jeez, tons of changes May 07 19:36:09 So, a friend comes from USA next week. Me being in Europe has found it quite the chance to get stuff with a 1.56dollars=1euro currency. If you were now to choose between the current mobile-phone models, yes freerunner is not out yet, which one would you get? I was thinking of iPhone which I'm sure that can do quite a few tricks in its own, but hell... it's Apple, it's like paying gold for shit. May 07 19:36:46 firi: an eeepc maybe? May 07 19:36:59 US mobile phone market isn't great. May 07 19:37:02 firi: cheap flash memory May 07 19:37:10 +get May 07 19:37:17 I have an HTC TyTnII, it works for me, but the video drivers are pretty shit May 07 19:37:22 ewon: I'm not really in the need for an Eee, but yes it will be my choice if I don't find something else. May 07 19:37:34 SpeedEvil: I see May 07 19:37:41 Vegar: I dunno how much flash is in the US - I bought 4G for 13 quid - $25 a couple of months ago. May 07 19:38:07 SpeedEvil: what kind of flash? USB? SD? May 07 19:38:16 microSD May 07 19:38:26 that was cheap May 07 19:38:38 firi: get a load off eepcs and ebay them May 07 19:38:43 ewon: but...but...but...that has windows on it, doesn't it? May 07 19:39:19 call me prejudiced but I prefer to stay away May 07 19:39:34 firi: If there's nothing you *need*, save your money for later May 07 19:39:34 firi: indeed it does. not the best solution, but it was free with an AT&T contract :) May 07 19:40:17 abraxa_: I can't resist the 1.56=1 chance, and there will be no second time <: May 07 19:40:28 firi: seriously, eeepc May 07 19:40:36 ewon: everything leads there May 07 19:41:03 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143097 is similar. May 07 20:22:07 hhh,,,, May 07 20:22:13 ScaredyCat: downloading your gta02 image now May 07 20:22:18 :o May 07 20:22:23 you're still awake? May 07 20:22:28 nope May 07 20:22:31 no, just woke up May 07 20:22:34 oh May 07 20:22:35 lol May 07 20:22:36 ouch May 07 20:22:37 sorry May 07 20:22:47 6am here - young children. May 07 20:22:53 * ScaredyCat dunks woglinde in custard May 07 20:23:28 * rwhitby cross-compiled dfu-util for his Freecom FSG-3 router to flash the neo May 07 20:25:41 ! May 07 20:25:56 * rwhitby finds it very difficult to get into gta02 u-boot menu May 07 20:26:15 is it not the same then? May 07 20:26:22 ScaredyCat: my only physical linux boxes at home are embedded devices ... May 07 20:26:44 nope, holding in aux while pushing power then releasing aux last doesn't seem to work May 07 20:27:04 maybe you need to stand on one leg too May 07 20:28:36 hmm - finally got into NOR u-boot menu somehow May 07 20:28:50 after random combinations of pushing both buttons May 07 20:29:03 :( May 07 20:29:20 * rwhitby flashes scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02 May 07 20:29:42 * ScaredyCat wonders if it works May 07 20:29:50 (and looks on wiki for instructions on accessing u-boot menu on gta02) May 07 20:29:57 * ScaredyCat shakes mickey|zzZZzz May 07 20:30:03 wakey wakey! May 07 20:30:25 ScaredyCat, Are your Qtopia images working yet? :P May 07 20:30:30 no May 07 20:30:38 rwhitby, didn't you know? the moon must be aligned with planet saturn in order for gta02 to enter u-boot menu May 07 20:30:38 * ScaredyCat mutters May 07 20:30:44 im sorry if no one told you.. May 07 20:31:02 Blastur: as a last resort, I read the wiki Getting Started page :-) May 07 20:31:06 rwhitby: May 07 20:31:14 hold power for 1 second May 07 20:31:23 hold aux additionally May 07 20:31:32 release both, when the menu appears May 07 20:31:36 [nand] May 07 20:31:40 for nor: May 07 20:31:42 mickey|zzZZzz: the 1 second is missing from the wiki page May 07 20:31:43 hold aux May 07 20:31:48 hold power May 07 20:31:54 release aux May 07 20:32:07 g'night May 07 20:32:10 night May 07 20:33:06 the trouble is there is no indication of when to start holding aux in the first case, and no indication of when to stop holding aux in the second case. May 07 20:33:50 so the wiki page will need to be more explicit for the average user May 07 20:34:14 (which I will do once I work out what the average user should be looking for when doing it) May 07 20:36:46 ... May 07 20:45:58 seems to be quiet again. May 07 20:47:33 * rwhitby sees the scaredycat logo on gta02 for the first time May 07 20:47:44 :) May 07 20:48:34 ScaredyCat: did you build a qtopia-x11-image too? May 07 20:48:47 no... not yet May 07 20:48:58 XorA|gone: should I make mokomakefile build qtopia-image for gta01 and qtopia-x11-image for gta02? May 07 20:49:06 hehe - love the miaow May 07 20:49:49 mj May 07 20:49:50 hehehe May 07 20:49:52 ScaredyCat: Do you actually have any cats? May 07 20:50:01 no... May 07 20:50:06 I used to have 3 May 07 20:50:15 Ah, so that's why you're so obsessed about them? May 07 20:50:23 now I have one dog... May 07 20:50:32 the other died recently.. :'( May 07 20:50:39 Yeah, I read.... =( May 07 20:50:55 I do love cat lovers, though ;D May 07 20:50:57 ScaredyCat: the buttons in OM debug need to be bigger so you can finger push them May 07 20:51:03 http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/14/my-ickle-pickle-has-gone/ May 07 20:51:22 rwhitby: yeah, I mentioned that to the author May 07 20:52:02 I asked him to give them names so they could be modified with gtkrc May 07 20:52:13 rwhitby: you could change the theme :) May 07 20:52:18 under utils May 07 20:52:26 try the original om one May 07 20:53:20 ok, so I need to load gllin on this right? May 07 20:54:15 well, if you drop it on your sd card, it'll auto install on nxt boot May 07 20:54:20 next May 07 20:54:29 ScaredyCat: just the ipkg? May 07 20:54:33 yup May 07 20:55:03 my inages look for it on /media/card/ - if it's there, it gets installed May 07 20:55:07 im May 07 20:55:35 ScaredyCat: ah, hang on - gllin is irrelevant for gta02 May 07 20:55:52 ahh yeah May 07 20:55:53 * rwhitby hits forehead with palm May 07 20:56:12 muppet :) May 07 20:56:48 does it output to a named pipe? May 07 20:56:54 on the 02 May 07 20:57:00 no idea yet May 07 20:59:36 I gues you can't tell if it works ok as a phone either? May 07 21:00:01 does it seem noticably quicker than the 01 May 07 21:00:02 ? May 07 21:00:07 nope, doesn't register cause it doesn't do 900MHz (which is required for access in Australia) May 07 21:00:46 I'll reserve judgement on speed - haven't used GTA01 enough recently (due to it being broken) to do an objective or subject assessment. May 07 21:01:04 so it's still slow then May 07 21:01:36 * rwhitby "no comment"'s May 07 21:01:49 (yet) May 07 21:02:42 I wonder if there is a "command first-time user customisations" page on the wiki where I would write how to replace ScaredyCat's face with something a bit more palatable ... ;-) May 07 21:02:52 s/command/common/ May 07 21:02:54 rwhitby meant: I wonder if there is a "common first-time user customisations" page on the wiki where I would write how to replace ScaredyCat's face with something a bit more palatable ... ;-) May 07 21:03:11 pfff! May 07 21:03:23 hmm - opkg update fails due to missing signatures May 07 21:03:33 it should still work May 07 21:03:37 just the sigs fail May 07 21:03:39 probably should be opkg-nogpg by default if no repositories are signed yet. May 07 21:03:54 unless thos has broken opkg May 07 21:04:34 root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg list | wc -l May 07 21:04:34 386 May 07 21:04:38 386 sounds low May 07 21:05:10 hrrm May 07 21:05:26 that's weird: May 07 21:05:31 root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg --help | grep gpg May 07 21:05:32 opkg: unrecognized option `--help' May 07 21:05:38 but "opkg --help" works fine May 07 21:06:13 om-gta02]# ls -c1 | wc -l May 07 21:06:13 369 May 07 21:06:39 but that's 02 specific stuff May 07 21:07:04 it should see the other stuff too though May 07 21:07:14 what's in scaredycat.conf May 07 21:07:20 in /etc/opkg May 07 21:07:51 all, armvt, neo1973, om-gta01, om-gta02 May 07 21:08:27 ScaredyCat: did you build the feed for gta02 as well? May 07 21:08:42 ... :P May 07 21:08:44 no May 07 21:08:51 * rwhitby tries to work out how to tell opkg not to use sigs ... May 07 21:09:05 ScaredyCat: can you kick off a feed build for gta02 please? May 07 21:09:19 aye May 07 21:17:19 Hmm - openmoko-qtopia-x11-image fails to build packagekit May 07 21:23:51 ScaredyCat: I think we need opkg-nogpg instead of opkg in the image May 07 21:24:12 ~blame thos May 07 21:24:15 * apt blames thos (and Canada) for all the evil in the world May 07 21:28:31 evas native is broken for feed rwhitby May 07 21:28:51 And opkg-nogpg fails to build ... May 07 21:29:07 This is going to be painful since I don't have write access to openmoko mtn repository ... May 07 21:29:18 (so I can't fix anything directlyz) May 07 21:29:41 opkg failing wiht no sig must be a new thing, it used to work fine May 07 21:30:58 * rwhitby gets frustrated working on projects where he doesn't have write access yet ... May 07 21:33:20 just built opkg-nogpg May 07 21:38:23 armv4t/opkg-nogpg_0.0+svnr4412-r3_armv4t.ipk and armv4t/libopkg0_0.0+svnr4412-r3_armv4t.ipk on my buildhost rwhitby May 07 21:38:34 thx May 07 21:40:31 ScaredyCat: in OM2007.2/packages ? May 07 21:40:38 I don't see opkg-nogpg there May 07 21:41:21 yeah, try now, jumped the gun a little May 07 21:41:54 mm italic May 07 21:45:35 ScaredyCat: that works, thx. Need to -force-overwrite on the opkg-nogpg install May 07 21:46:06 cool May 07 21:54:23 ScaredyCat: heh - part of the problem was I didn't have masquerading set up on the router the gta02 is connected to, so it wasn't getting the Packages files anyway :-) May 07 21:54:32 so opkg may well still work May 07 21:55:00 root@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg list | wc -l May 07 21:55:01 7508 May 07 21:55:04 that's more like it May 07 22:50:21 hello everyone May 07 22:53:13 if I only get the top panel in OM (the tray with the keyboard, bt, GSM, battery icon) - any ideas on how to fix that using ssh? May 07 22:56:41 exco: did you try to just reboot the device ? May 07 22:57:38 thseiler: yes, the thing is I upgraded using ipkg and rebooting I get the same outcome every time May 07 23:03:13 exco: hm, maybe you can try to start the today application via ssh "DISPLAY=:0 openmoko-today2" maybe you get a hint at what is wrong that way... May 07 23:04:17 you can't do that - as you don't have the auth May 07 23:04:29 you need to run xhost + on the GUI May 07 23:04:42 or start the X server again with a switch May 07 23:04:45 -noac? May 07 23:07:08 SpeedEvil: right, I forgot about xhost. May 07 23:08:39 xhost + ... May 07 23:08:46 * anrp mutters something about insecurity May 07 23:09:29 SpeedEvil, anrp: xhost + (what exactly)? May 07 23:09:46 xhost + turns off all X access control. May 07 23:09:47 "xhost +" turns off access control to the X server May 07 23:10:04 So if you've got other networking than USB-net configured, it's bad. May 07 23:10:49 heh May 07 23:10:52 I'm using g_ether on the client side May 07 23:11:02 what could possibly go wrong May 07 23:11:46 well... you can't really make it worse atm (and I have a backup of the state before the upgrade ... trial and error) May 07 23:11:52 mostly true May 07 23:12:04 it could be come self aware and go online! May 07 23:12:07 or just go online May 07 23:12:11 but that's not as exciting May 07 23:13:20 anrp: it's already online :-) May 07 23:13:40 ; May 07 23:13:42 ;/ May 08 00:15:38 hi @ all May 08 00:30:24 will openmoko be quick enough to play video? May 08 00:30:39 yes. May 08 00:30:49 But not - at least initially - large video. May 08 00:30:57 and openmoko is the OS May 08 00:31:00 not the device May 08 00:33:36 ah ok, meant the freerunner, and specifically the ~700mb avis May 08 00:33:50 It probably won't play that class of video. May 08 00:34:13 drat :( i jsut got my PS3 to play most things with a specialized mplayer May 08 00:34:15 At least not at first - that class will rely on the inbuilt video decoding of the GPU May 08 00:34:45 It will play small video just fine. May 08 00:34:46 ah ok, great it even has a GPU, ( the ps3 effectively doesnt) May 08 00:35:10 Well - unfortunately in many ways, the graphics performance might be better without it. May 08 00:35:32 The only really good feature for video that it has is scaling. May 08 00:35:34 ill probably buy a tiny usb keyboard, im not a big fan of the on-screen ones May 08 00:35:48 And video decoding - but the video decoding is not close to implemented. May 08 00:35:49 ah whys that? May 08 00:36:11 Because it's basically a suckier chipset than it looked at first. May 08 00:36:30 It has a transfer rate equivalent to a 16 bit ISA video card. May 08 00:36:40 ouch May 08 00:36:46 And that transfer rate is shared with the SD card. May 08 00:37:14 PArt of that is offset by the 2D accel in the GPU. May 08 00:37:23 But only part. May 08 00:40:37 how do i make my openmoko actually ring? May 08 00:40:42 its set to vibrate. May 08 00:41:19 you have a freerunner, yet? May 08 00:41:27 1973. May 08 00:41:32 ah, ok May 08 00:42:12 i compiled everything a few days ago.. but it dosent actually ring. May 08 00:42:14 there was a bug in gta01, but i don't know which version May 08 00:42:26 so, this is current cvs/svn. May 08 00:46:59 mine dosent have a preferences application. :/ May 08 00:48:47 sorry, I can't help you. I just have an old image for qemu May 08 00:56:23 good night May 08 02:14:17 Question, on the freerunner, it says that it has USB 1.1, Anyone know why it isn't 2.0? May 08 02:19:37 Sonicadvance: the SoC doesn't do 2.0 May 08 02:19:51 so that would have been an extra chip required May 08 02:20:11 Ah, I see May 08 02:20:31 If only it supported Firewire instead ;D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 08 02:59:57 2008