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May 09 03:09:28 <pjz> woo, steve@openmoo says productin within the next week or so!
May 09 03:25:29 <zash> moo
May 09 03:38:41 <pjz> s/moo/moko/
May 09 03:41:20 <mwester> !logs
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May 09 03:41:27 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
May 09 04:19:22 <doobe01> ??
May 09 04:19:30 <doobe01> ?? help-logs
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May 09 04:20:52 <doobe01> !openmoko
May 09 04:24:16 <doc|home> is the warranty on the phone just 28 days?
May 09 04:24:19 <doc|home> that's not great :/
May 09 04:37:10 <doobe01> i have been reading a lot of the wiki and i am just wondering if there is a page to see what software is operational for the freerunner?
May 09 04:40:42 <paulproteus> openmoo!
May 09 04:42:05 <doobe01> openmoo!
May 09 04:42:07 <doobe01> ?
May 09 04:47:22 <zash> no matter what you do
May 09 04:56:52 <paulproteus> <pjz> woo, steve@openmoo says productin within the next week or so!
May 09 04:56:58 <paulproteus> Hence, openmoo. (-:
May 09 04:56:58 <doc|home> :D
May 09 04:57:19 <doc|home> I'm way behind on the list, any timeframe between production and deliveries?
May 09 04:57:31 <doc|home> even a rough one?
May 09 04:57:44 <linuxxr> soon?
May 09 04:57:45 <paulproteus> I've no idea myself.
May 09 05:01:11 <zash> like, next week or thereabout?
May 09 05:02:38 <zash> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016738.html
May 09 05:02:57 <zash> [...]  and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
May 09 05:03:06 <zash> Fri May  9 07:03:05 CEST 2008
May 09 05:04:49 <zash> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016972.html
May 09 05:07:45 <Doobe08> i have been reading a lot of the wiki and i am just wondering if there is a page to see what software is operational for the freerunner?
May 09 05:09:06 <zash> Doobe08: like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications ?
May 09 05:09:57 <Doobe08> cool, i saw that page awhile ago...thanks
May 09 05:11:13 <zash> but there is most likley a shitload of other software that random ppl have ported/developed
May 09 05:12:03 <zash> ah
May 09 05:12:05 <zash> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Community_Applications
May 09 05:12:30 <zash> not that many projects there, but its a start :D
May 09 05:16:44 <holycow> *oooo*
May 09 05:16:47 <holycow> can't wait to order one
May 09 05:17:44 <zash> holy cow!
May 09 05:18:45 <holycow> :)
May 09 05:19:32 <Outlander> haha full ajax on your mobile phone
May 09 05:20:54 <Outlander> cool
May 09 05:21:08 <holycow> full linux on your phone
May 09 05:21:25 <holycow> apps haveto be scaled  down and rethought a bit tho
May 09 05:21:56 <zash> haha full freedom on your mobile phone
May 09 05:22:10 <zash> :D
May 09 05:24:20 <fenfir> does i386-darwin have the same attributes as powerpc-darwin, ie would the following be correct?
May 09 05:24:21 <fenfir>                "i386-darwin":             "endian-big bit-32 common-darwin",\
May 09 05:24:21 <fenfir>                "powerpc-darwin":          "endian-big bit-32 common-darwin",\
May 09 06:04:00 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r849bdb5f45cb 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Added ActivateConference method
May 09 06:04:00 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r76b0ae4a2a15 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Added a mechanism to release serial ports when modem is not responding.
May 09 06:04:01 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r2238c7cc048e 10/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
May 09 06:04:01 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Modified atcommandcontext's handler_data to ghashtable
May 09 06:04:03 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Fixed all command's that used handler_data to use it as a hashtable
May 09 06:04:05 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * re354baa70736 10/ (16 files in 4 dirs): Fixed bugs that were caused by changing handler_data to ghashtable
May 09 07:16:44 <Outlander> just saw http://www.hackaday.com/2008/05/07/gpl-vs-skype-back-in-court/
May 09 07:27:03 <cekay> hi guys
May 09 07:28:31 <Outlander> hi
May 09 07:28:37 <Outlander> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ so they won? they beat skype?
May 09 07:32:35 <raster> skype raised its hands in surrender
May 09 07:34:08 <zash> nice
May 09 07:47:28 <cb22> f-f-f-finish them
May 09 07:50:07 <abraxa_> From: 	Openmoko Admin Trac <bugs@admin-trac.openmoko.org>
May 09 07:50:12 <abraxa_> Kennt das wer von euch?
May 09 07:50:50 <abraxa_> oops, wrong chan
May 09 07:52:01 <ScaredyCat> was that meant for  #pr0n ?
May 09 07:52:44 <abraxa_> ScaredyCat: ssshh
May 09 08:16:47 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 09 08:18:17 * nab waves
May 09 08:19:18 * nab reads http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/03/design-your-own.html
May 09 08:19:29 <nab> That is seriously a good article. :-)
May 09 08:19:45 <nab> Espically for the more non-tech folks I think.
May 09 08:19:58 <ScaredyCat> except the freerunner case is different
May 09 08:20:13 <nab> Oh..?
May 09 08:20:53 * nab remembers seem some photos on Flickr of the Freerunner prototype case..
May 09 08:21:07 <nab> It was all black, yes..?
May 09 08:21:36 <nab> I don't recall the rev on it.. :-)
May 09 08:21:40 <ScaredyCat> not just the colour
May 09 08:22:04 <nab> Slimmer..? :-)
May 09 08:22:28 <ScaredyCat> lol, no
May 09 08:23:03 <ScaredyCat> it's close but iirc there are some internal differences, and there's only 1 speaker (and grill)
May 09 08:23:13 <nab> Ah yes..
May 09 08:23:28 * nab remembers
May 09 08:24:08 <nab> Actually, I was asking about the TCP bandwith to the Atheros b/g ASIC last night..
May 09 08:24:28 <nab> I think the first run a tests from a few weeks ago where in the 900 Kb/sec range..
May 09 08:24:42 <nab> For userspace networking I/O (ie: w/ copy_to_user())
May 09 08:25:22 <nab> It will be interesting to see if the kernel level socket stuff (plus sendpage()) will have a moderate gain compared to the userpsace traffic.
May 09 08:26:01 <nab> So it should hopefully be the fastest method of accessing storage (eg: struct block_device) on the device.
May 09 08:26:30 <nab> I don't recall reading what the numbers where for FS level access on the different methods of flash access on the Freerunner.
May 09 08:26:53 <nab> But I assume the flash and microSD will be slower than that.
May 09 08:27:06 <nab> (or so has been the case with other linux mobile devices :-)
May 09 08:27:15 <nab> But anyways.
May 09 08:27:55 <nab> I am really excited to get my hands on one of the devices. :-)
May 09 08:28:23 <nab> Doing shared storage between the maemo and openmoko devices is going to be very interesting.
May 09 08:29:27 <nab> Well, between those devices and x86 VMs.
May 09 08:29:48 <nab> Having v2.6.24 out the door on the Freerunner is pretty awesome.
May 09 08:30:02 <nab> Lots and lots and lots of options with a v2.6.24 Linux kernel.
May 09 08:30:03 <nab> :-)
May 09 08:30:34 * nab is still having issues with < 2.6.22 for shared storage iSCSI/Wifi
May 09 08:31:06 <nab> Nothing major, just some Distributed Lock Manager wire protocol versioning issues (>= 2.6.22 uses DLM v8)
May 09 08:39:57 <rwhitby> Is there a binary of the qtopia-x11 image for gta02 available anywhere?
May 09 08:40:53 <rwhitby> (it doesn't build for me - fails in packagekit_git with "pk-backend-opkg.c:33:21: error: libopkg.h: No such file or directory"
May 09 08:45:55 <cekay> i would love to have an qtopia image for the gta02 
May 09 08:47:07 <woglinde> cekay it is in work
May 09 08:47:15 <woglinde> I hope
May 09 08:49:11 <cekay> :)
May 09 09:01:00 <rwhitby> well, there was a test report on it posted to the mailing list, so someone in openmoko has a binary image.  it doesn't seem to be on buildhost however.
May 09 09:02:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1387 has been created by tony(AT)openmoko.com
May 09 09:02:03 <cdbot2> * * wi-fi connection un-stable in ASU image sets
May 09 09:02:04 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1387
May 09 09:28:38 <ScaredyCat> rwhitby: I think that's a test version, the repo version just doens't build
May 09 09:34:27 <XorA> rwhitby: heh, Ill try and sort that, qtopia-x11 was until recently in a branch
May 09 10:45:12 <rewers> hello
May 09 10:45:43 <rwhitby> XorA: thx
May 09 10:47:39 <rewers> steve wrote in the community mailing list that the production of the freerunner would start today. does anybody know something about it?
May 09 10:49:05 <mjr> Steve sid yesterday "
May 09 10:49:05 <mjr> Steve sid yesterday "Mass Pro is slated to start between may9 and may 16. Steve's rule say add a
May 09 10:49:08 <mjr> week. Then you got test, then you shipping.
May 09 10:49:39 <rewers> i see. thx.
May 09 10:52:48 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4418 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opkg: implement opkg_find_package()
May 09 10:53:20 <nab> What is ASU again..?
May 09 10:53:38 * nab looks @ http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1387
May 09 10:55:58 <stefan_schmidt> nab: April Software Update
May 09 10:56:08 <stefan_schmidt> nab: well, a bit late already. ;)
May 09 10:56:25 <nab> Ahhh..
May 09 10:56:29 <nab> Thanks. :-)
May 09 11:11:23 <ScaredyCat> XorA: did you say you *were* going to fix the qt xq11 error or your *had* ?
May 09 11:11:26 * nab wonders what the wifi ASU bug is related to..
May 09 11:11:35 <ScaredyCat> cheese
May 09 11:11:46 <nab> I wish I could help, but my experience with WifI ASICs is kinda limited.
May 09 11:12:25 <nab> The bugzilla entry sounds like its driver related..?
May 09 11:12:41 <stefan_schmidt> nab: yes
May 09 11:12:49 <nab> Hrmmm
May 09 11:13:28 <nab> The Atheros driver on pre GTA02v5 was stable at some point, yes..?
May 09 11:13:50 <nab> I assume it was validated on the GTA02v5 samples too..?
May 09 11:14:12 <XorA> ScaredyCat: no, that I would see about getting images generated
May 09 11:14:15 * nab wonders what the validation process for the driver looks like..
May 09 11:14:22 <ScaredyCat> :/
May 09 11:14:36 <nab> I can think of one really good one (core-iscsi-dv) for testing the validity of the iSCSI/Wifi transport.
May 09 11:15:18 <nab> It writes a known patter of sectors across the iSCSI struct block_device and does a read-back and compare across all possible RFC-3720 parameter combinations.
May 09 11:15:34 <nab> (Which can easily get into the 1,000,000,000s, but I normally use about 8K
May 09 11:16:16 <nab> Anyways, it will be really good indication of the stability of the kernel, MM, storage, and network systems.
May 09 11:17:00 <nab> Hopefully I can get one of those samples and try it for myself.. :P
May 09 11:17:05 * nab has a debug board too
May 09 11:17:38 <nab> You can do serial console via the debug board and Wifi access with GTA02v5 at the same time, yes..?
May 09 11:18:49 * nab looks for Harald
May 09 11:18:55 <nab> :-)
May 09 11:19:45 * nab wishes he had kdb for arch/arm for the really difficult bugs
May 09 11:20:29 <nab> Having to use printk()s is a tough job.. :P
May 09 11:20:50 <nab> s/use/only use
May 09 11:23:20 <stefan_schmidt> nab: Well, there were kgdb patches for arm floating around
May 09 11:23:51 * nab googles
May 09 11:23:54 <SpeedEvil> nab: they are on totally different busses
May 09 11:24:01 <SpeedEvil> nab: I see no reaon why not
May 09 11:24:27 <nab> I usually use kdb for interactive stuff (obviously :-) and gdb for source debugging.
May 09 11:24:42 <nab> It just sucks that kgdb takes a few beats to get setup
May 09 11:24:45 <nab> :-)
May 09 11:24:58 <nab> SpeedEvil: Thanks
May 09 11:25:41 <nab> I still usually use serial console for getting OOPens off the device
May 09 11:26:06 <nab> But I think that the crashdump stuff will probably be where alot of the devs move towards
May 09 11:26:19 <nab> I don't recall if that is real architecture specific or not.
May 09 11:26:50 <nab> I would assume the latter as long as the storage devices are still working to dump the object code onto disk
May 09 11:27:13 <SpeedEvil> the problem is that the SD is hung out on a seperate device.
May 09 11:27:15 <SpeedEvil> The GPU.
May 09 11:27:22 <nab> Hrmmm
May 09 11:27:27 <nab> That certainly makes things interesting
May 09 11:27:29 <SpeedEvil> Which can crash.
May 09 11:27:45 <nab> So let me get this straight..
May 09 11:27:55 <nab> We have to depend on X for our crashdump output..!?
May 09 11:27:57 <nab> :-)
May 09 11:28:00 <SpeedEvil> no.
May 09 11:28:05 <nab> (just kidding :-)
May 09 11:28:24 <nab> I just figured that had phrase had never been said before, so I thought I would take it. :-)
May 09 11:28:28 <SpeedEvil> the kernel driver for the GPU and the SD AIUI work together to share the bus.
May 09 11:28:28 <nab> hehe
May 09 11:28:39 * nab nods
May 09 11:29:37 <nab> SpeedEvil: Is this the case for GTA01 and GTA02..?
May 09 11:29:42 <SpeedEvil> no.
May 09 11:29:49 <SpeedEvil> GTA01 has it directly conected.
May 09 11:31:21 <nab> Hrmm, well I have seem some folks do the crashdump stuff using ethernet..
May 09 11:31:44 <nab> I don't recall if it was UDP or TCP or what..
May 09 11:31:45 <SpeedEvil> Things that'd work would be point drivers that took down the normal USB interface, and brought it up and used it to either act as a serial port, or a mass-storage device, or the bluetooth device.
May 09 11:32:14 <nab> point drivers..?
May 09 11:32:33 <SpeedEvil> You do _not_ want the whole USB driver stack involved in a crash.
May 09 11:32:46 * nab nods
May 09 11:33:16 <SpeedEvil> You need to restart the USB device, and then simply use a minimal bit of code that is a serial device only, or a mass-storage device.
May 09 11:33:32 <nab> Makes sense.
May 09 11:34:03 <SpeedEvil> So it displays 'crashed' on the raw framebuffer, or flashes an LED, or ... and then waits till you connect it to something to read it.
May 09 11:34:25 <nab> That is pretty slick. :-)
May 09 11:34:40 <SpeedEvil> Stating slick features is easy.
May 09 11:34:53 <nab> Well, I am not sure if that is a feature
May 09 11:34:56 <SpeedEvil> Coding them is another matter.
May 09 11:35:06 <nab> end user feature
May 09 11:35:10 <nab> Well then again.. :-)
May 09 11:35:23 <nab> It does sound pretty useful for debugging various failures
May 09 11:35:29 <SpeedEvil> Well - ...
May 09 11:35:38 <SpeedEvil> You really don't need to go that deep.
May 09 11:35:53 <nab> Espically if those dumps can get back to openmoko.org without much for user..
May 09 11:35:59 <SpeedEvil> For most user crashes.
May 09 11:36:03 <nab> s/for/from
May 09 11:36:18 <nab> <nod>
May 09 11:36:18 <SpeedEvil> oopses should - hopefully - be much rarer than on normal hardware.
May 09 11:36:32 <nab> Of course
May 09 11:36:33 <nab> :-)
May 09 11:36:43 <SpeedEvil> As you've got no way - well - no easy way - of plugging in random stuff to core busses.
May 09 11:36:46 <nab> I suppose I was linking a bit for generally for system debug/devel
May 09 11:37:01 <SpeedEvil> That's somewhat covered by JTAG.
May 09 11:37:14 <SpeedEvil> And even ssh.
May 09 11:37:21 <nab> Heh
May 09 11:37:35 <nab> Well, for a long time some of the embedded linux stuff used telnetd
May 09 11:37:38 <SpeedEvil> Most of the 'interesting' work is not in the kernel space.
May 09 11:37:45 <nab> Thankfully all of the v2.6 ones have dropbrear or openssh
May 09 11:37:57 <SpeedEvil> It's all in GUI.
May 09 11:38:10 <nab> :-)
May 09 11:38:21 <SpeedEvil> And the GUI is something for which SSH works just fine generally.
May 09 11:38:31 <nab> Yep
May 09 11:50:06 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4419 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: protect against NULL src
May 09 12:06:09 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r3660f55e0944 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-motion.c: fix-motion-sensor-limits.patch
May 09 12:31:52 <rwhitby> XorA: it seems qtopia-x11-image builds, as long as you don't have moko-autorev
May 09 12:32:10 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: can you build it for your feeds?
May 09 12:32:28 <ScaredyCat> hrm
May 09 12:32:52 <ScaredyCat> I tried here - it failed... am_installdirs ?) error iirc
May 09 12:33:02 <XorA> rwhitby: thats to be expected
May 09 12:33:52 <ScaredyCat> is opemembeded.org fucked again?
May 09 12:34:22 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: I just built it using mokomakefile
May 09 12:34:34 <rwhitby> just about to flash it ...
May 09 12:36:08 <ScaredyCat> but the mf doesn't do anything other that a bb of the image, right?
May 09 12:40:39 <ScaredyCat> | automake: undefined condition `TRUE' for `am__installdirs'
May 09 12:52:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r231c41c684c2 10/src/ (13 files): SIM and Device's methods now require OK before sending ipc response.
May 09 12:52:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r4baa188b67f9 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 
May 09 12:52:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Added helper functions for caching handler data
May 09 12:52:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Continued changing handlers to cache data.
May 09 13:01:50 <rwhitby> Hmm - qtopia-x11-image flashes and boots, but I have no idea how to drive it.
May 09 13:02:53 <rwhitby> On the home screen, you get four big grey blotchy boxes: Internet/Diversity Nav, Multimedia/Media Player, Office/Active Calls, Settings/Appearance
May 09 13:03:46 <rwhitby> Diversity Nav shows a map when you push it - looks like OSM data
May 09 13:03:54 <rwhitby> you can pan and zoom the map with your finger
May 09 13:04:48 <rwhitby> No indication of how to bring up a menu or gps or anything like that.
May 09 13:04:55 <rwhitby> power and aux keys do nothing
May 09 13:05:25 <rwhitby> small arrow up the top which lets you get back to the home screen - looks like a task switcher
May 09 13:06:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1388 has been created by fr-om(AT)tourde.org
May 09 13:06:03 <cdbot2> * * ge gpe-scap_1.3.bb won't build
May 09 13:06:04 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1388
May 09 13:10:38 <ScaredyCat> maybe
May 09 13:16:57 <rwhitby> Grr - python-efl.inc uses pushd and popd, which means it don't work on Ubuntu dash shell
May 09 13:18:43 <mickeyl> sorry
May 09 13:18:47 <mickeyl> feel free to patch it out
May 09 13:19:21 <mickeyl> and
May 09 13:19:23 <mickeyl> ~lart dash btw.
May 09 13:19:23 * apt --purges dash btw.
May 09 13:33:33 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03trimarchi 07stable * r7dc8a18752da 10/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand_read.c: nand_skip_bad.patch
May 09 13:35:27 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03trimarchi 07stable * r4ec60973cf2e 10/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand_read.c: nand_skip_bad.patch
May 09 13:35:56 <mickeyl> trimarchi ???
May 09 13:37:09 * ScaredyCat introduces mickeyl's right hand to trimarchi's left hand
May 09 13:37:15 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r9dc419586897 10/ousaged/modules/generic.py: Add simple selftest
May 09 13:38:19 <mickeyl> *shake*
May 09 13:38:42 <milos__> what is the standard scripting language in OM? Python?
May 09 13:39:12 <ScaredyCat> bash
May 09 13:39:25 <zash> ScaredyCat: oh hells yeah!
May 09 13:39:43 <Gottox> I thought it was busybox-ash?
May 09 13:40:29 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rb3825ebafea0 10/mickeyterm/TODO: add TODO indicating plans for version 3.0 and 3.1
May 09 13:41:06 <mickeyl> milos__: de jure: none. de facto: Python
May 09 13:42:06 <milos__> mickeyl, so it is?
May 09 13:42:30 <milos__> i now bash is included.
May 09 13:42:36 <milos__> know
May 09 13:43:48 <rwhitby> mickeyl: I don't know the dash equivalent of pushd/popd :-(
May 09 13:44:06 <mickeyl> rwhitby: heh. then do it absolutely
May 09 13:44:10 <mickeyl> cd ${S}/foo
May 09 13:44:14 <rwhitby> maybe bitbake should run the scripts it generates using bash :-)
May 09 13:44:53 <rwhitby> mickeyl: which image is going to ship on the MP GTA02's?
May 09 13:45:11 <rwhitby> openmoko-devel, qtopia-x11, something else?
May 09 13:45:22 <mickeyl> that's out of my responsibility, but my guess is openmoko or openmoko-devel
May 09 13:45:32 <mickeyl> qtopia-x11 will be a later update
May 09 13:46:02 <ScaredyCat> 'later update' ?
May 09 13:46:10 <ScaredyCat> gerroff
May 09 13:46:17 <ScaredyCat> once it's mine - it's mine
May 09 13:46:26 <mickeyl> sure
May 09 13:46:30 <mickeyl> but that's us
May 09 13:46:35 * ScaredyCat installs msdos
May 09 13:46:58 <mickeyl> we hope we can sell FreeRunner also to people who don't know why we are doing that at all
May 09 13:47:04 <mickeyl> :)
May 09 13:47:14 <mickeyl> and for those, some blessed updates may make sense
May 09 13:47:18 <mickeyl> *shrug*
May 09 13:47:21 <zash> ScaredyCat: why not win3.1?
May 09 13:47:45 <ScaredyCat> zash: guis are too advanced for me..
May 09 13:48:12 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: we need something in your image which does the gllin to bluetooth rfcomm trick, so I can use the Neo as the bluetooth GPS for my N800 ...
May 09 13:48:28 <mickeyl> ScaredyCat: *nod* I'm doing the framework initiative more or less for you :)
May 09 13:48:45 <mickeyl> with the framework in place, you will be able to do a full command line or ncurses feature phone app
May 09 13:48:48 <ScaredyCat> :D
May 09 13:48:51 <mickeyl> bbiab
May 09 13:48:54 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: where do you keep the public repo of the stuff that you've added to your image?
May 09 13:49:01 <rwhitby> (the source repo that is)
May 09 13:49:02 <ScaredyCat> errm... 
May 09 13:49:20 <ScaredyCat> well the source is on you device... 
May 09 13:49:24 <ScaredyCat> your
May 09 13:49:28 <rwhitby> ah, it's all scripts?
May 09 13:49:32 <ScaredyCat> yes
May 09 13:49:35 <ScaredyCat> magic!
May 09 13:49:36 <ScaredyCat> see
May 09 13:50:12 <rwhitby> you gonna put them in a scaredycat project at projects.openmoko.org or something, so you can give me write access to upgrade your scripts to work on gta02 too?
May 09 13:50:47 <ScaredyCat> ok, but I'll probably tackle that tomorrow... if I can work out the porojects site... 
May 09 13:51:28 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: I'd like to be able to modify MokoMakefile to build scaredycat images ...
May 09 13:51:44 <rwhitby> so we need to be able to build them from publicly available repos
May 09 13:52:17 <ScaredyCat> :o
May 09 13:52:20 <ScaredyCat> ok.
May 09 13:52:26 <zeno__> is 3g in freerunner?
May 09 13:52:32 <rwhitby> no
May 09 13:52:35 <ScaredyCat> just registered with projects
May 09 13:52:57 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: my nick is the same there, for when you come to adding developers to your project
May 09 13:53:17 <ScaredyCat> k
May 09 13:57:00 * rwhitby welcomes ScaredyCat to the MokoMakefile development team
May 09 13:57:39 * ScaredyCat fixes all the bugs :P
May 09 14:01:02 * rwhitby goes to bed, and looks for all the bugs to be fixed by tomorrow
May 09 14:01:24 <zash> rwhitby: what an execlet time to go to bed at :D
May 09 14:01:53 <rwhitby> 11:30pm - yep, a reasonable time to go to bed.
May 09 14:02:15 <zash> 16:02 here :D
May 09 14:02:22 <rwhitby> ~ugt
May 09 14:02:23 <apt> from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 09 14:02:46 <zash> :D
May 09 14:03:13 <zash> go to bed != leaveing channel ;D
May 09 14:05:07 <ScaredyCat> ok, I've registerd the project, I guess I just need to wait for approval 
May 09 14:06:00 <ScaredyCat> (and then fix all the fudges)
May 09 14:06:19 <rwhitby> nothing like public scrutiny to cause code to get cleaned up :-)
May 09 14:06:26 <ScaredyCat> heheh
May 09 14:06:42 <ScaredyCat> well, it's not exactly hidden at the moment
May 09 14:06:49 * rwhitby adds a symlink from opkg to ipkg
May 09 14:06:58 <rwhitby> damn muscle memory ...
May 09 14:07:10 <ScaredyCat> yes... might add that to my images :D
May 09 14:09:08 <ScaredyCat> "The OpenMokoProjects admin team will now examine your project submission.  You will be notified of their decision."
May 09 14:09:48 <ScaredyCat> sounds like some mafia thing...
May 09 14:10:03 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: you should add tzdata to your image to, so people can change the timezone easily
May 09 14:10:11 <ScaredyCat> "You will be notified of their decision and when summary execution will take place/2
May 09 14:10:22 * rwhitby does ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Adelaide /etc/localtime
May 09 14:10:31 <ScaredyCat> yes, I did have tzdata on there....
May 09 14:10:33 * ScaredyCat checks
May 09 14:10:53 <rwhitby> oh yeah, you do ;-)
May 09 14:11:14 <ScaredyCat> hehehe
May 09 14:12:10 <ScaredyCat> timzone script next then :)
May 09 14:16:29 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: just import /home/moko/newBuild/local into svn, and we'll get mokomakefile to overlay it
May 09 14:17:13 * ScaredyCat looks at rwhitby suspiciously... 
May 09 14:17:20 <ScaredyCat> how do you know my buildpath?
May 09 14:17:29 <rwhitby> all your base belong to me
May 09 14:17:33 <ScaredyCat> lol
May 09 14:18:10 <rwhitby> Source: field in task-openmoko-scaredycat
May 09 14:18:22 <ScaredyCat> ahhh
May 09 14:18:33 <rwhitby> it's got your password in there too ...
May 09 14:18:46 <rwhitby> 'tiddles01'
May 09 14:18:57 <ScaredyCat> hehe
May 09 14:22:35 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4420 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.h: opkg: add header guards to libopkg/opkg.h
May 09 14:35:32 <alexxy> hi all!
May 09 14:36:18 <alexxy> will freerunner be avalieble in Russia?
May 09 14:36:28 <alexxy> i'd like to have one
May 09 14:36:53 <ScaredyCat> it's not available anywhere at the moment... 
May 09 14:36:58 <ScaredyCat> soon we hope
May 09 14:36:59 <Ganneff> unless russia decides to close the borders you should be able to just import one yourself. whenever its available.
May 09 14:50:52 <dbmoodb> where is me phone--- btw can someone pass on the message that openmoko the company should have a group buying shop thing--- to make it easier 
May 09 15:00:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03werner * r4421 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor: 
May 09 15:00:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: The changes below make it a bit easier to fit mknor into scripts and to
May 09 15:00:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: select alternative configurations.
May 09 15:00:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: mknor: added general option parsing
May 09 15:00:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: mknor: new option -s splash_image to change the splash image file
May 09 15:00:44 <CIA-43> openmoko: mknor: new option -D to add definitions for envedit
May 09 15:20:48 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03werner * r4422 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in: 
May 09 15:20:48 <CIA-43> openmoko: environment.in: if QUIET is defined, use "loglevel=4" instead of "quiet", to
May 09 15:20:48 <CIA-43> openmoko:  save space on the boot parameter line
May 09 15:50:56 <zedstar_> anyone happen to know how to use bitbake to get from cvs but select a particular directory to build from?
May 09 15:54:49 <Sup3rkiddo> zedstar_, build or checkout?...i guess changing SRC_URI will help?
May 09 15:56:23 <zedstar_> sup3rkiddo: i can checkout the project entire project but the build needs to take place in a specific directory
May 09 15:56:44 <Sup3rkiddo> ah ok...
May 09 16:02:59 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r765865f228c7 10/odevice/ (4 files): Documentation skeleton for odevice
May 09 16:04:08 <zeno__> how big will the hd be on freerunner?
May 09 16:05:04 <abraxa_> HD?
May 09 16:05:14 <abraxa_> It has no hard disk, if that's what you mean :)
May 09 16:05:26 <Blastur> 256 mb flash and expansion port for micro SD
May 09 16:09:02 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: 256?
May 09 16:09:15 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: I thought it was 128M flash +2M emergency
May 09 16:09:38 <SpeedEvil> up to 8G? currently available in microSD.
May 09 16:11:59 <Blastur> the wiki says 256 MB NAND for freerunner
May 09 16:13:52 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4423 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
May 09 16:13:52 <CIA-43> openmoko: 2008-05-09 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
May 09 16:13:52 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * configure.ac:
May 09 16:13:52 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
May 09 16:13:52 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * src/appmanager-data.c: (application_manager_data_init):
May 09 16:13:55 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * src/appmanager-data.h:
May 09 16:13:57 <CIA-43> openmoko:  * src/appmanager-window.c: (main):
May 09 16:29:39 <holycow> yey!
May 09 16:29:44 <holycow> mass production starts today!
May 09 16:30:21 <mmontour> holycow: [citation needed]
May 09 16:30:42 <holycow> just reading the page in the topic
May 09 16:36:18 <holycow> i dont' see anything about the  moko being quad band
May 09 16:36:34 <holycow> is it still tri band?
May 09 16:36:49 <mmontour> Tri-band, but you can get either a European or North American model.
May 09 16:39:17 <holycow> *ooo*
May 09 16:39:21 <holycow> cad files for the moko!
May 09 16:39:22 <holycow> haha
May 09 16:54:41 <zash> holycow: most likley wont start today. more likley in the next week or two
May 09 18:03:20 * daMaestro reads: The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
May 09 18:03:23 <daMaestro> w00t
May 09 18:03:36 <daMaestro> hopefully this time direct.openmoko.org can handle the load
May 09 18:03:40 <daMaestro> or at least let me order ;-)
May 09 18:03:40 <daMaestro> lol
May 09 18:03:59 <daMaestro> i'll be dragging my freerunner and the gta01 to fudcon/redhat summit :-D
May 09 18:04:30 * daMaestro is likely going to use his gta01 as an sms gateway to mod_python for http://droutes.org/
May 09 18:11:25 * B_Rider patea a todios
May 09 18:18:32 * B_Rider think that everybody is a loser
May 09 18:29:36 <stefan_schmidt> XorA: Good to see the OM/OE sync happening more often. Does this work better now?
May 09 18:32:04 <B_Rider> loooosers
May 09 18:32:16 <spydon> right...
May 09 18:32:48 <kinneh> there's a problem with the rss-feed for projects, they never say which project they refer to
May 09 18:33:37 <kinneh> like http://projects.openmoko.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=449 in the rss the "project:" is excluded
May 09 18:33:50 <kinneh> who's tuning the project site ?
May 09 18:34:39 <abraxa_> kinneh: Might wanna file a bug on http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/
May 09 18:40:27 <zedstar_> anyone come across a bluetooth scanner/logger kinda project that logs to something like sqlite?
May 09 19:09:19 <dnh> hello
May 09 19:10:01 <abraxa_> Hello, dnh 
May 09 19:10:53 <dnh> i need some help with qemu on x86_64
May 09 19:11:05 <dnh> is there a bug there?
May 09 19:11:36 <balrog-kun> dnh: probably
May 09 19:11:40 <balrog-kun> but it works fine for me
May 09 19:11:47 <mwester> That's a rather vague question.  All software has bugs.
May 09 19:12:10 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * re627836e6dba 10/ousage/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in): Documentation skeleton for ousage
May 09 19:13:13 <dnh> im using the mokomakefile and it just wont compile
May 09 19:14:08 <dnh> it spits out an errormessage about x86_64:/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c:369: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
May 09 19:14:08 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c: In function `op_goto_tb1':
May 09 19:14:08 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c:374: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
May 09 19:14:08 <dnh> ../dyngen -o op.h op.o
May 09 19:14:09 <dnh> dyngen: unsupported X86_64 relocation (9)
May 09 19:14:32 <balrog-kun> marketting should change the name from ousage to sousage
May 09 19:16:47 <dnh> so my question remanes, is this a known bug or shud i bugreport this?
May 09 19:17:05 <balrog-kun> #define R_X86_64_GOTPCREL       9       /* 32 bit signed pc relative offset to GOT */
May 09 19:17:11 <dnh> what is ousage?
May 09 19:17:18 <balrog-kun> i guess the version of gcc i use doesn't emit this reloc
May 09 19:17:23 <balrog-kun> dnh: what gcc do you use?
May 09 19:18:24 <woglinde> balrog-kun didnt report qemu if has nt found a compatible gcc?
May 09 19:19:10 <balrog-kun> woglinde: it just checks the version number but that's not really much information about the compiler
May 09 19:19:21 <balrog-kun> and the check may be turned off in MokoMakefile, i don't know
May 09 19:19:48 <woglinde> I personal dont like MokoMakefile
May 09 19:19:49 <dnh> i have gcc 3.4.6 & 4.1.2
May 09 19:19:58 <balrog-kun> i've never used it
May 09 19:20:04 <woglinde> what says gcc --version?
May 09 19:20:12 <balrog-kun> but basically an error like this is a form of reporting that the gcc is not compatible :)
May 09 19:20:46 <dnh> dnh@plentycore ~/openmoko $ gcc --version
May 09 19:20:46 <dnh> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.0.2)
May 09 19:20:46 <dnh> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
May 09 19:20:46 <dnh> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
May 09 19:20:46 <dnh> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
May 09 19:21:13 <balrog-kun> i should update the qemu-neo1973 tree to current qemu svn, it should work independently of gcc version then
May 09 19:21:48 <balrog-kun> but it would break i386 emulation (i don't think anybody uses the qemu-neo1973 tree for that though)
May 09 19:22:04 <XorA> stefan_schmidt: its certainly easier to work with two branches than the same branch on different servers
May 09 19:22:47 <balrog-kun> dnh: can you paste a line before the one you pasted, one that starts with "gcc"?
May 09 19:22:53 <balrog-kun> fromo MokoMakefile output
May 09 19:23:31 <dnh> gcc-3.4.6 -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing  -fno-reorder-blocks  -fno-gcse    -fno-optimize-sibling-calls  -fno-crossjumping  -fno-align-labels  -fno-align-jumps  -fno-align-functions     -I. -I.. -I/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm -I/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/h
May 09 19:23:31 <dnh> ost/qemu-neo1973/fpu  -DHAS_AUDIO -I/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/gnokiigsm -I/home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/slirp -c -o op.o /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c
May 09 19:23:31 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c: In function `op_goto_tb0':
May 09 19:23:33 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c:369: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
May 09 19:23:38 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c: In function `op_goto_tb1':
May 09 19:23:40 <dnh> /home/dnh/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/target-arm/op.c:374: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
May 09 19:23:43 <dnh> ../dyngen -o op.h op.o
May 09 19:23:45 <dnh> dyngen: unsupported X86_64 relocation (9)
May 09 19:23:56 <microlith> ~ $
May 09 19:23:57 <apt> $ is probably a dollar sign
May 09 19:24:28 <cyrilRomain|bbl> dnh: please use http://rafb.net/paste/ next time
May 09 19:24:40 <balrog-kun> that seems okay then
May 09 19:24:49 <balrog-kun> it's using 3.4.6
May 09 19:24:59 <woglinde> balrog yes
May 09 19:25:04 <balrog-kun> i use 3.3.6 on my x86_64, on gentoo also
May 09 19:25:20 <woglinde> 3.3.6 or 3.4.6?
May 09 19:25:28 <balrog-kun> 3.3.6
May 09 19:25:33 <balrog-kun> i know 3.4.6 is broken on i386
May 09 19:25:42 <XorA> stefan_schmidt: I guess this means your work reached OE, well done :-)
May 09 19:25:48 <woglinde> so it differs
May 09 19:26:05 <balrog-kun> supposedly Gentoo patches their version and even gcc developers deem the Gentoo version of 3.4.6 to be broken, but i also heard it only affects i386
May 09 19:26:27 <woglinde> seems the 64bit too
May 09 19:27:40 <dnh> okay, so it will work on gcc-3.3.6 ?
May 09 19:28:20 <woglinde> dnh probably
May 09 19:28:32 <balrog-kun> yes, emerge =gcc-3.3.6  should help, but it will take a while
May 09 19:29:36 <dnh> okay, i can try that then
May 09 19:30:13 <woglinde> for oe I think its okay to compile all stuff, but for desktop
May 09 19:30:23 <woglinde> one reason I dont like gentoo
May 09 19:33:25 <PBeck> ahoi
May 09 19:34:46 <dnh> hello
May 09 20:06:52 <ruskie> hmm I wish I could install openmoko onto the n95...
May 09 21:10:33 <ccfly> hello folks :)
May 09 21:12:48 <dnh> hello ccfly
May 09 21:23:21 <OJW> so when's the phones arriving? ;)  we were told last october ;)
May 09 21:24:16 <dnh> They told us that they where going to start produsing today
May 09 21:24:41 <dnh> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
May 09 21:28:26 <OJW> cool.  anyone filming them for youtube?
May 09 21:29:13 <dnh> there are some neo 1973 films out there
May 09 21:31:43 <balrog-kun> i'm afraid they're not arriving last october
May 09 21:32:23 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rbb11275d7a88 10/ousaged/modules/generic.py: Refactor interface
May 09 21:32:27 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * ra072ae0c7677 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): Display resource status from DBus
May 09 21:32:31 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r7399a5156e26 10/ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: Update to changed ousaged
May 09 21:38:08 <stefan_schmidt> XorA: Well, I can commit to OE directly. Need to have more time to work with it again.
May 09 22:11:36 <stefan_schmidt> shoragan: ping
May 09 22:12:21 <stefan_schmidt> shoragan: If you have aclocal $ACLOCAL_FLAGS -I m4 in the zhone autogen.sh you need to mkdir m4 before, or just kick out -I m4
May 10 00:11:28 <NineX> #clug +R *!ninex@do-ninex-v6.cdp.pl
May 10 00:17:37 * mjr upgrades again to see what's new and broken
May 10 00:37:27 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r5d19f12219b4 10/ophoned/ (parser.py testing.py): python-ophoned: add an incredibly slow lowlevel AT command line parser
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