**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 11 02:59:56 2008
May 11 04:42:04 <holymoly> man oh man love the access to cad files
May 11 04:42:07 <holymoly> that really sweet
May 11 04:42:13 <holymoly> that will allow us to make our own cases
May 11 04:42:18 <holymoly> you guys so rock
May 11 04:43:56 <holymoly> god this is cool beyond words
May 11 05:37:07 <fenfir> would this be enough to impliment multi touch or is there a hardware limitation also?
May 11 05:37:09 <fenfir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPX
May 11 05:39:51 <holymoly> right now its only for mice and keyboards
May 11 05:40:12 <holymoly> i presume any regular lcd will do, its a matter of adding that feature to the driver i think
May 11 05:40:23 <holymoly> so one more steop
May 11 05:40:23 <holymoly> step
May 11 08:08:55 <zeno__> the freerunner has a sd card slot right?
May 11 08:10:01 <mjr> microsd
May 11 08:16:08 <josch> microsdhc
May 11 08:37:19 <Blastur> anyone know if mass production has started as planned on may 9th?
May 11 08:37:40 <Blastur> and if so, when can we expect to have the units at distribution central?
May 11 08:39:04 <_-Damien-_> hi there.. has anyone experience with building u-boot with the openmoko patchset?
May 11 09:04:57 <faern> Blastur: look at topic. before may 16
May 11 09:36:43 <ScaredyCat> hazelnut
May 11 09:37:05 <josch> strawberry
May 11 10:41:42 <zeno__> i have another device that takes microSD, is that the same as SDHC?
May 11 10:45:43 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * rc8a0f8bf0c49 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add-generate-test-rootfs.patch
May 11 10:46:29 <abraxa_> zeno__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC
May 11 10:50:05 <zeno__> ah thxd
May 11 11:37:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r99ce11cbed11 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-keys.c: fix-key-test.patch
May 11 11:59:12 <abraxa_> Gotta love pastebins...
May 11 11:59:15 <abraxa_> http://pastebin.ca/1014674
May 11 11:59:51 <spydon> lol :P
May 11 12:00:20 <abraxa_> Server passwords in plain text - can't get any better than that.
May 11 12:00:53 <spydon> yeah I saw that ^^
May 11 12:39:03 <ScaredyCat> wtf
May 11 12:39:11 <woglinde> ???
May 11 12:39:23 <ScaredyCat> ok, so why all of a sudden is my public key failing on projects 
May 11 13:06:55 <ScaredyCat> ~blame abraxa_
May 11 13:06:55 * apt blames abraxa_ (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
May 11 13:14:10 * ScaredyCat stabs gforge
May 11 13:33:09 * abraxa_ bites ScaredyCat
May 11 13:33:26 * ScaredyCat gives abraxa_ rabies
May 11 13:33:40 * XorA|gone poors baby oil on ScaredyCat and abraxa_ 
May 11 13:33:50 <ScaredyCat> errm
May 11 13:33:58 <ScaredyCat> enough of your fetishes
May 11 13:34:36 <ScaredyCat> so, any ideas how to fix projects.openmoko.org you two?
May 11 13:34:44 <XorA|gone> rm -rf /
May 11 13:35:07 <ScaredyCat> well at this point, I probably would, if I could actually fecking log in
May 11 13:35:30 <XorA|gone> kick the sysadmin then
May 11 13:35:43 <ScaredyCat> who is the sysadmin for it
May 11 13:35:56 * ScaredyCat puts on heavy boots
May 11 13:38:36 <XorA|gone> roh or gismo
May 11 13:39:04 <ScaredyCat> roh: wakey wakey
May 11 14:26:42 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0a296698b9c6 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: add first mediator class that handles transferring AT responses to Dbus responses
May 11 14:37:45 <mickeyl> Robot101: ping?
May 11 14:41:13 <ScaredyCat> mickeyl: do you have access to the projects box ?
May 11 14:42:27 <mickeyl> no, roh or Gismo_C are the admins
May 11 14:43:44 <ScaredyCat> :/
May 11 14:45:04 <mickeyl> anyone familiar with dbus-python here?
May 11 14:45:56 <ScaredyCat> errm, you?
May 11 14:46:04 <mickeyl> indeed
May 11 14:46:13 <mickeyl> but i'm stuck with a problem :)
May 11 14:46:40 <ScaredyCat> you probably want torpor or someone who likes python ;)
May 11 14:48:53 <mickeyl> or one of the robs
May 11 14:49:07 <mickeyl> who have actually contributed to the dbus py bindings
May 11 14:49:19 <mickeyl> or i could dive into the source ...
May 11 14:49:21 <mickeyl> *sigh*
May 11 14:49:46 <abraxa_> ...or go sunbathing ;)
May 11 14:50:01 <mickeyl> that's actually a good idea
May 11 14:50:05 <mickeyl> i'm freezing in the office here
May 11 14:50:07 <spyre> mickeyl: gsmd2 tests use dbus-python, you can check it for some reference
May 11 14:50:18 <ScaredyCat> wtf. it's boiling here
May 11 14:50:22 <mickeyl> right, let me check
May 11 14:50:45 <mickeyl> the problem i'M having is with the errors
May 11 14:50:46 <spyre> mickeyl: but I think you're problem is a bit more complicated than what is done (by someone other than me) in gsmd2's tests
May 11 14:50:53 <mickeyl> yeah, I'm afraid so
May 11 14:51:07 <mickeyl> usual dbus errors look like that:
May 11 14:51:17 <mickeyl> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.143 was not provided by any .service files
May 11 14:51:21 <mickeyl> which is ok
May 11 14:51:30 <mickeyl> my python dbus exception though looks like:
May 11 14:51:38 <mickeyl> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.gsm.mediator.ModemError: ModemError: modem timeout: 5000ms
May 11 14:52:00 <spyre> mickeyl: looks like an error you've defined yourself?
May 11 14:52:08 <mickeyl> yes
May 11 14:52:14 <mickeyl> i don't see where i can change the dbus string for it though
May 11 14:52:33 <mickeyl> it should be something like org.freesmartphone.GSM.Error.ModemTimeout
May 11 14:53:14 <mickeyl> guess i should really look into the source
May 11 14:53:17 <spyre> mickeyl: sounds more like you've got the wrong path/interface when you registered to dbus
May 11 14:53:18 <mickeyl> after a sunbath though
May 11 14:53:31 <mickeyl> no, path/interface is all working very well
May 11 14:53:52 <mickeyl> somewhere it uses org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.gsm.$MODULENAME.$CLASSNAME
May 11 14:53:56 <mickeyl> which is bogus
May 11 14:54:06 <mickeyl> *shrug*
May 11 14:54:08 <mickeyl> l8er, thankns
May 11 15:01:21 <woglinde> hi wolfgang
May 11 15:14:31 * Kamping_Kaiser waves
May 11 15:14:58 <Kamping_Kaiser> i just put myself down on GroupSales :)
May 11 15:19:44 <abraxa_> Let's hope you find others, too
May 11 15:20:01 <Kamping_Kaiser> need 2 more in adelaide for the 10 :/
May 11 15:24:45 <Kamping_Kaiser> i was wondering if the orders of 10 were 10 exactly or 10+?
May 11 15:25:16 <toer> exactly 10
May 11 15:25:40 <Kamping_Kaiser> hm
May 11 15:26:28 <rtm> There are a lot of groups on the group sales page with n > 10 and (n % 10) != 0
May 11 15:29:13 <Kamping_Kaiser> also (this might be a slightly to dev-oriented question) - would it be posable to conect a freerunner to a radio reciever (eg a dual band handheld radio receiver)
May 11 15:32:46 <mjr> of course depending on what kind of connectivity options there are for the receiver...
May 11 15:33:24 <mjr> usb, easy. Other stuff, more bothersome...
May 11 15:33:34 <Kamping_Kaiser> mjr, hi there.
May 11 15:33:42 <Kamping_Kaiser> guess i'll have to take that into account when purchasing
May 11 15:34:11 <mjr> or how do you mean "connect"...
May 11 15:34:37 <mjr> hooking to some gpio pins might be semifeasible for some purposes...
May 11 15:34:45 <mjr> but dunno about that really
May 11 15:35:46 <Kamping_Kaiser> i recently got a HAM (amature radio) licence. although i'm not allowed to do packet radio (yet) i'm still iterested in the feasability of connecting the devices (to share data)
May 11 15:36:30 <rtm> It's nice to hear people are still doing HAM radio.
May 11 15:36:46 <SpeedEvil> usb, or serial is common
May 11 15:36:55 <mjr> Well then. Of course you can probably hook up the mic/headphone jack to your radio
May 11 15:37:08 <mjr> dunno about impedances, but doable...
May 11 15:37:21 <Kamping_Kaiser> might be interesting project
May 11 15:37:22 <mjr> then there's the matter of PTT
May 11 15:37:40 * Kamping_Kaiser is going to be torn between holding off on the ham stuff until the freeruner arrives, or gettign gear asap
May 11 15:37:50 <Kamping_Kaiser> rtm, i'm looking forward to getting on air
May 11 15:39:07 <mjr> off the top of my head, I don't know how best pull the ptt ...
May 11 15:39:29 <mjr> SpeedEvil, how bout you? :]
May 11 15:39:42 <SpeedEvil> Tehre are USB or serial controllable radios.
May 11 15:39:50 <mjr> also, I pretty much presupposed the existence of packet radio (de)modulator software
May 11 15:40:52 <mjr> SpeedEvil, at least I thought we're talking packet radio through hooking up the audio lines from the neo to a radio
May 11 15:41:38 <mjr> but you'd have to be able to pull the PTT somehow on the ham radio
May 11 15:41:58 <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm only (currently) an F call, so i cant do packet, thats the next level up (standard). i'll get there, but i'm looking ~12 months befroe i worry about that
May 11 15:42:24 <mjr> 'kay
May 11 15:44:01 <Kamping_Kaiser> guess what it really means is i should buy gear that supports usb/serial, and when i feel up to it i can start using the hardware i have.
May 11 15:44:16 * Kamping_Kaiser goes to check price of handhelds with usb
May 11 15:44:46 <SpeedEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: there are many USB-GPIO chips that are out there.
May 11 15:45:04 <SpeedEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: that would be a _much_ saner solution than soldering to the insides of the freerunner.
May 11 15:45:17 <mjr> yeah sounds the most straightforward solution...
May 11 15:45:19 <SpeedEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: and you could probably do it with a few reed relays or something.
May 11 15:45:42 <Kamping_Kaiser> SpeedEvil, that sounds pretty good
May 11 15:46:08 <SpeedEvil> From the looking I've done - going I2C or SPI only makes sense if you're inside the case.
May 11 15:46:33 <abraxa_> Kamping_Kaiser: Do you merely want to control the radio from the Freerunner or do you want to use it as a headset also?
May 11 15:46:35 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4424 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-sample2/data/openmoko-sample.desktop: Delete deprecated key to pass QA staging
May 11 15:46:49 <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll admit to not having done any reading about what happens inside the mokos to date
May 11 15:47:48 <Kamping_Kaiser> abraxa_, bit of both. what i had in my mind was more the controlling bit, but i'm not "against" using the freerunner as a headset
May 11 16:32:11 <summatusmentis> well, lame
May 11 16:32:20 <summatusmentis> there's no good gsm service where I live
May 11 16:37:17 <mwester> well, you live up in the tundra...
May 11 16:46:45 <summatusmentis> mwester: yeah, almost :-/
May 11 17:49:34 <Robot101> mickey|sun: pong
May 11 17:53:19 <abraxa_> Robot101: Can you see what question mickey had?
May 11 17:53:49 <abraxa_> If not I'd like to pastebin it so you can check it out - would hate for you two to miss each other ;)
May 11 17:54:16 <Robot101> ah, exceptions
May 11 18:09:27 <Robot101> mickey|sun: just set _dbus_error_name in your class
May 11 18:10:34 <Robot101> class FubarException(Exception):
May 11 18:10:41 <Robot101>     _dbus_error_name = 'org.openmoko.Fubar'
May 11 18:11:57 <Robot101> then when you throw it or return it from a dbus method with the async error callback, it'll take that name
May 11 18:55:34 <ScaredyCat> mickey|sun should be well cooked by now
May 11 18:57:21 <woglinde> hehe
May 11 18:57:25 <woglinde> sun goes down
May 11 18:57:29 <woglinde> now
May 11 19:34:34 <juri_> so, whats with my openmoko sometimes seeing my sim card on boot, and sometimes not? any fix for this?
May 11 19:35:32 <juri_> i heard it ring the other day. supprised me.
May 11 19:36:18 <doc|home> your phone rang? astonishing!
May 11 19:36:23 * doc|home hides
May 11 19:37:18 <juri_> for the first few days, it was stuck on "vibrate only". :P
May 11 19:37:22 <summatusmentis> lol
May 11 19:37:24 <doc|home> :)
May 11 19:40:14 <marginoferror> What does the ring sound like by default?
May 11 19:42:19 <Blastur> a thousand horny virgins screaming for love
May 11 19:43:58 <daMaestro> lol
May 11 19:45:04 <marginoferror> So, what, it just says A/S/L?
May 11 22:27:03 * Trevinyo è assente: Pero ora assente.
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