**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 12 02:59:57 2008
May 12 04:50:26 <BSCH> hello, everyone
May 12 04:52:09 <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
May 12 04:59:52 <milos_> good morning
May 12 06:06:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1390 has been created by regina_kim(AT)openmoko.com
May 12 06:06:04 <cdbot2> * * Battery and time icons disappeared by drag to end of Right side on Applet
May 12 06:06:04 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1390
May 12 07:01:19 <MouseBerry> my freerunner gat02 v5 's mic has very little sound
May 12 07:02:46 <MouseBerry> far end must listen my voice very carefully
May 12 07:02:59 <yangh> I wanna a zhone:)
May 12 07:03:02 <MouseBerry> anyone have same question?
May 12 07:03:46 * ScaredyCat pokes at MouseBerry
May 12 07:03:54 <ScaredyCat> noone else has one :(
May 12 07:03:57 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 12 07:04:29 <MouseBerry> sorry my phone is neo 1973
May 12 07:04:37 <ScaredyCat> gta01 ?
May 12 07:04:41 <ScaredyCat> not 02
May 12 07:04:50 <MouseBerry> yeah
May 12 07:05:22 <ScaredyCat> did you fiddle with the alamixer settings to see if you could make it better
May 12 07:05:54 <MouseBerry> i listen peer's voice very clear
May 12 07:10:30 <MouseBerry> hello ScaredyCat,thank you help me ,but i don't understand what you say
May 12 07:34:21 <ScaredyCat> ssh into the neo
May 12 07:34:23 <ScaredyCat> type alsamixer
May 12 07:34:25 <ScaredyCat> you should be able to see and change the mic settings
May 12 09:51:05 <dbmood2> hi a when are we able to pick one up -- the 16th is it ?
May 12 09:52:25 <madwoota> afaik, thats the start of production, i expect it will still be some time before we get our hands on them
May 12 09:56:06 <dbmood2> ;0
May 12 10:06:19 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * rf93df962a249 10/ (26 files in 3 dirs): add-additional-home-root-files.patch
May 12 10:09:32 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r5bfcbd1b67b8 10/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 
May 12 10:09:32 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Updated fso's call api and related methods
May 12 10:09:32 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Replaced all cache and handler data code to use util's helper functions
May 12 10:50:36 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * rb033f7c1ad10 10/gta02-dm2/test-rootfs-canned-dev.tar.gz: fix-add-in-canned-dev-tarball.patch
May 12 10:50:39 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r0673052daa9c 10/gta02-dm2/ (build src/dm2.c src/tests-logs.c): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 11:07:30 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * rfb9c01769271 10/gta02-dm2/ (build src/dm2.c src/tests-logs.c): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 11:07:30 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * rd21cb4030d90 10/gta02-dm2/ (build data/dl_finalimg): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 11:13:43 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r5639d6a268f3 10/gta02-dm2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 11:19:07 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r4911327c2057 10/gta02-dm2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 11:23:11 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r52dfd0b03c6d 10/gta02-dm2/ (build src/dm2.c src/tests-logs.c): fix-suspend-test.patch
May 12 11:23:11 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r0e36e884cd32 10/gta02-dm2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fix-download-final-image.patch
May 12 11:24:10 <mickeyl> Robot101: thanks for the _dbus_error_name. I see that this name gets marshalled and appears at the client side of the transaction. To do actual client-side processing, what you usually do is have a catchall for DBusException and then inspect the _dbus_error_name for further details?
May 12 11:25:13 <Robot101> hmmm
May 12 11:26:43 <mickeyl> because I didn't see a chance you can catch more specific DBusException on the client side
May 12 11:27:13 <mickeyl> i did not find many examples that use error handling at all *cough*
May 12 11:28:23 <Robot101> seems you need e.get_dbus_name()
May 12 11:28:59 <mickeyl> right, that is the friendly accessor giving me _dbus_error_name
May 12 11:29:21 <Robot101> yeah
May 12 11:29:26 <mickeyl> wrt. code style, i don't like catching all DBusExceptions though :/
May 12 11:29:34 <mickeyl> i'd rather have code like:
May 12 11:29:43 <mickeyl> catch FSOGSMException:
May 12 11:29:46 <mickeyl> catch FSOSIMException:
May 12 11:29:52 <mickeyl> etc.
May 12 11:30:02 <mickeyl> s/catch/except/
May 12 11:30:19 <Robot101> that implies an API to register a mapping from d-bus error names to local exception classes, I guess
May 12 11:30:21 <mickeyl> (it's all syntactic sugar, of course)
May 12 11:30:27 <mickeyl> exactly
May 12 11:31:16 <mickeyl> btw.
May 12 11:31:41 <mickeyl> do you know offhand a somewhat larger example where python-dbus is used both as client or server`
May 12 11:31:41 <mickeyl> ?
May 12 11:32:07 <Robot101> OLPC's sugar?
May 12 11:32:08 <mickeyl> I've not been finding a lot. especially hardly anyone does error processing, async services, and all the other goodies
May 12 11:32:16 <mickeyl> oh, good idea
May 12 11:32:18 <Robot101> big pile of python
May 12 11:32:29 <mickeyl> cool
May 12 11:32:36 <Robot101> they're a bit odd because they use pygobject a lot
May 12 11:32:43 <Robot101> for internal objects and such
May 12 11:32:48 <mickeyl> interesting
May 12 11:32:55 <mickeyl> i only use gobject for mainloop, idle timers, etc.
May 12 11:33:10 <Robot101> yeah
May 12 11:33:21 <Robot101> they define/emit signals with gobject
May 12 11:33:32 <mickeyl> uh, interesting. 
May 12 11:33:45 <mickeyl> within python there are alternatives. i wonder why they're doing that
May 12 11:34:00 <mickeyl> perhaps they interface with compiled gobjects anywhere
May 12 11:35:33 <mickeyl> who did the python-dbus bindings btw?
May 12 11:36:12 <Robot101> a series of people, starting somewhere in the beginning of time with Seth Nickell
May 12 11:36:33 <Robot101> then much badgering by many of the dbus guys
May 12 11:36:44 <Robot101> then some J5
May 12 11:36:47 <Robot101> then some me/robtaylor
May 12 11:36:55 <Robot101> then some big rewriting of the low-levels by smcv
May 12 11:37:16 <Robot101> and at least deprecating/cleaning up some of the higher level API
May 12 11:37:38 <mickeyl> i see. well, the guy who added the decorators should receive a free beer from me
May 12 11:37:48 <mickeyl> but there's still a lot of non-pythonic feeling to it
May 12 11:37:55 <mickeyl> i should fix that at some point of time
May 12 11:43:29 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r7804d6a86a01 10/gta02-dm2/src/dm2.c: fix-web-server.patch
May 12 11:52:07 <ScaredyCat> ok, who broke th elibgsmd build
May 12 12:16:37 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r2a4059628418 10/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 
May 12 12:16:37 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Updated Call tests and libfreesmartphone to use changed fso api.
May 12 12:16:37 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Began adding call holding related tests.
May 12 12:27:12 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r69495f6fe2bc 10/gta02-dm2/build: change-etc-startup-to-symlink.patch
May 12 13:48:44 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4425 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: download required packages before install and report progress to clients
May 12 14:21:30 <linuxxr> maybe sumfin great will happen today
May 12 14:27:18 <ScaredyCat> *blink*
May 12 14:35:05 <cb22> *holds breath*
May 12 14:35:51 <summatusmentis> cb22: what're you waiting for?
May 12 14:37:21 * mwester observes someone gradually turning blue from lack of oxygen.
May 12 14:38:33 <josch> summatusmentis, he waits for me showing up in my camisole
May 12 14:38:40 <summatusmentis> oh hot!
May 12 14:40:33 <liwei> hi anyone here?
May 12 14:40:59 <liwei> could you tell which software can irc in ubuntu?
May 12 14:41:20 <liwei> i am using ircII ,it's very ugly i feel
May 12 14:41:30 <summatusmentis> you're looking for an ubuntu client?
May 12 14:41:33 <xaid|work> liwei: try xchat or if you like a text-based client, try irssi
May 12 14:41:42 <summatusmentis> yeah, xchat > *
May 12 14:41:57 <liwei> o,yeah ,i will try xchat
May 12 14:42:03 <liwei> i heard it
May 12 14:42:08 <liwei> thank you
May 12 14:42:11 <josch> liwei, use sudo apt-get install xchat
May 12 14:42:11 <xaid|work> i like irssi personally :) but thats because i detach my sessions and i don't have x running all the time.
May 12 14:42:16 <josch> so NOT use xchat-gnome
May 12 14:42:48 <summatusmentis> xaid|work: yeah, if I had a server that I could do that on, I would
May 12 14:43:30 <josch> i use xchat because i dislike text based irc clients
May 12 14:45:48 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, josch, hey people
May 12 14:46:03 <liwei> exit
May 12 14:46:06 <summatusmentis> hi Sup3rkiddo 
May 12 14:46:34 <josch> y0 Sup3rkiddo 
May 12 14:46:44 <josch> Sup3rkiddo, whats up with you gsoc project?
May 12 14:47:18 <Sup3rkiddo> josch, nothing much yet...been busy with finals....
May 12 14:47:35 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: I hear that :-/
May 12 14:47:41 <Sup3rkiddo> slowly but surely getting a hang of vala as well
May 12 14:47:54 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, :)...hows yours coming along?
May 12 14:48:42 <summatusmentis> I went through some of the learning curve stuff, but I haven't touched it for like two weeks because of finals and end of sem stuff
May 12 14:49:19 <Sup3rkiddo> ah...still have a couple of weeks more...
May 12 14:50:49 <summatusmentis> Sup3rkiddo: you still have 2 more weeks of finals?
May 12 14:50:49 <summatusmentis> mine'll be done at the end of this week
May 12 14:50:49 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, mine is over :D....
May 12 14:50:49 <summatusmentis> oh...
May 12 14:50:49 <Sup3rkiddo> today was the last
May 12 14:50:49 <summatusmentis> lol, mine will be done at the end of this week
May 12 14:50:50 * Sup3rkiddo laughs at summatusmentis 
May 12 14:52:18 <liwei> hello  I coming back use xchat
May 12 14:52:34 <summatusmentis> and? what do you think?
May 12 14:52:43 <liwei> haha,it's very well
May 12 14:52:53 <Sup3rkiddo> xchat FTW
May 12 14:53:03 <data_jepp> weechat FTW
May 12 14:54:28 <liwei> i come here want to ask a question about connect to neo1973 by usb cable
May 12 14:54:46 <SpeedEvil> liwei: on linux? 
May 12 14:54:52 <liwei> ubuntu 7.10
May 12 14:55:05 <liwei> i havn't find /dev/ttyACM0
May 12 14:55:19 <SpeedEvil> You're trying to flash it?
May 12 14:55:25 <SpeedEvil> Or rather - to talk to the bootloader?
May 12 14:55:31 <liwei> yes
May 12 14:55:56 <SpeedEvil> Do you have the cdc_acm module loaded?
May 12 14:55:58 <liwei> i want to flash it to lastest revsion
May 12 14:56:15 <liwei> how can i do it?
May 12 14:56:24 <SpeedEvil> look on the wiki
May 12 14:56:28 <SpeedEvil> flashing_openmoko IIRc
May 12 14:56:45 * SpeedEvil checks.
May 12 14:56:46 <liwei> ok,i try to find it
May 12 14:56:54 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko
May 12 14:56:57 <liwei> thank you very much
May 12 14:57:37 <SpeedEvil> Good liuck!
May 12 15:02:50 <Sup3rkiddo> mtn: misuse: database /home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/OE.mtn is laid out according to an old schema, is this because of the recent SCM change?
May 12 15:03:40 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: sounds like you upgraded you mtn version
May 12 15:04:08 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, oh dang..yes i did
May 12 15:04:32 <XorA> Sup3rkiddo: then download newer db version or use migrate commands
May 12 15:04:46 <Sup3rkiddo> XorA, yeah..on it...thanks
May 12 15:06:23 <SpeedEvil> when did the 'nand erase rootfs' requirement of reflashing go away?
May 12 15:06:31 * SpeedEvil is updating hte page.
May 12 15:07:34 <XorA> SpeedEvil: years ago
May 12 15:08:06 <XorA> SpeedEvil: about a week after P1 phones were shipped if I remeber right
May 12 15:09:08 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 12 15:09:28 <SpeedEvil> I put it as 'before 2008' - which is certainly correct.
May 12 15:11:26 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4426 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_message.c: opkg: add default message handler
May 12 15:12:04 <liwei> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux
May 12 15:12:27 <liwei> hi ,SpeedEvil ,you give me page can't  help me
May 12 15:13:29 <SpeedEvil> what's the problem you're having?
May 12 15:13:35 <XorA> liwei: hold the aux key while turning on, when phone boots select Set console to USB
May 12 15:13:43 <zedstar> i thought the nand erase requirement existed if u didnt update the boot loader?
May 12 15:13:44 <XorA> liwei: then ttyACM0 should appear
May 12 15:14:02 <liwei> i didn't find /dev/ttyACM0  , i couldn't find where to enable CONFIG_USB_ACM
May 12 15:14:22 <SpeedEvil> make menuconfig
May 12 15:14:22 <XorA> liwei: you kernel in ubuntu already has correct config
May 12 15:14:28 <SpeedEvil> or that
May 12 15:14:35 <SpeedEvil> modprobe cdc_acm 
May 12 15:14:41 <SpeedEvil> or is it...
May 12 15:14:44 <liwei> wo try to use 'sudo wvdialconf',bug it useless
May 12 15:15:51 <spydon> lo ppl
May 12 15:16:02 <liwei> so ,i should try modprobe cdc_acm?
May 12 15:17:05 <liwei> to XorA :i have do it like you said
May 12 15:17:36 <liwei> i can use 'lsusb' find my neo1973
May 12 15:18:40 <liwei> but ,i cound't connect to /dev/ttyACM0 , because i don't have it
May 12 15:19:02 <XorA> do the boot menu thing then reset, ttyACM0 should then appear
May 12 15:19:27 <SpeedEvil> unplug/replug =reset
May 12 15:20:14 <liwei> i select Set console to USB , then return boot menu about 2s later
May 12 15:20:33 <SpeedEvil> and no - not set console to usb - just leave it showing the boot menu
May 12 15:21:39 <liwei> yes ,i leave it showing the boot menu
May 12 15:21:53 <SpeedEvil> lsusb should then change
May 12 15:22:05 <liwei> yes , it change
May 12 15:22:17 <liwei> have new usb device
May 12 15:22:51 <SpeedEvil> ok - does modprobe cdc_acm do anything?
May 12 15:22:51 <liwei> Bus 003 Device 014: ID 1d50:5120 
May 12 15:23:34 <liwei> sorry,i don't understand , how to modprobe cdc_acm
May 12 15:24:01 <SpeedEvil> open a terminal
May 12 15:24:04 <liwei> en
May 12 15:24:09 <SpeedEvil> type modprobe cdc_acm
May 12 15:24:13 <SpeedEvil> does it do anything?
May 12 15:24:37 <liwei> nothing happen
May 12 15:25:40 <SpeedEvil> Ok - do you get any messages in /var/log/messages saying anything?
May 12 15:25:44 <SpeedEvil> sorry - gotta be AFK a bit
May 12 15:28:20 <liwei> ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged!
May 12 15:34:20 <glaif> hi, i have a question regarding flashing a Freerunner phone.  I cannot seem to get logged in to the uboot even though i follow the wiki directions.  Can anyone help me please?
May 12 15:37:21 <liwei> thank you  SpeedEvil
May 12 15:38:09 <liwei> i have resolve it
May 12 15:38:14 <liwei> it my fault
May 12 15:38:16 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 12 15:38:27 <liwei> i forget use sudo
May 12 15:38:37 <SpeedEvil> gia: you have a freerunner?
May 12 15:38:37 <liwei> don't kill me please
May 12 15:38:43 <SpeedEvil> gla:
May 12 15:39:05 <liwei> thank you speedevil very very very much
May 12 15:39:18 <SpeedEvil> Glad you got it working.
May 12 15:39:46 <SpeedEvil> gla: or the first version - the neo1973?
May 12 15:39:51 <XorA> SpeedEvil: he quit before anyone could say anything
May 12 15:40:09 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 12 15:40:11 <glaif> sorry...disconnected
May 12 15:40:19 <SpeedEvil> gia: you have a freerunner?
May 12 15:40:21 <SpeedEvil> glaif: or the first version - the neo1973?
May 12 15:40:32 <glaif> freerunner
May 12 15:40:41 <glaif> gta02
May 12 15:40:45 <SpeedEvil> Dunno then.
May 12 15:40:51 <glaif> k
May 12 15:41:06 <SpeedEvil> Sorry. few here have one, so knowledge is limited.
May 12 15:42:41 <liwei> i think gta02 is similar as gta01 in software deal
May 12 15:42:55 <SpeedEvil> But uboot differes
May 12 15:43:16 <XorA> a devirginised gta02 is the same as gta01 as far as getting to u-boot
May 12 15:43:26 <glaif> yeah...hard to get into uboot...you have to use neocon utility
May 12 15:44:12 <glaif> XorA: What do you mean by devirginised?
May 12 15:44:14 * mjr chuckles at the name
May 12 15:44:17 <mwester> I don't think you *have* to use neocon; neocon has some nice features, though.  cu works for the GTA01.
May 12 15:44:28 <SpeedEvil> XorA: is the 'recover' flash actually implemented yet?
May 12 15:44:32 <XorA> glaif: one that has come from factoru, or been configured right
May 12 15:44:44 <XorA> SpeedEvil: should be, and I think its flashed in factory
May 12 15:44:59 <SpeedEvil> XorA: it boots that first, then that boots NAND?
May 12 15:45:26 <XorA> SpeedEvil: no, if you hold aux before power, it boots from NOR
May 12 15:45:35 <SpeedEvil> What implements that?
May 12 15:45:41 <SpeedEvil> Hardware?
May 12 15:47:45 <XorA> SpeedEvil: yes
May 12 16:01:17 <liwei> how to use Set console to USB , i found it no use
May 12 16:01:57 <liwei> i can connect  it while not select Set console to USB
May 12 16:03:17 <TAsn-ghost> does the topic mean i will be able to buy a consumer openmoko soon? or is it dev?
May 12 16:03:32 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r1c5d2dfce8ed 10/gta02-dm2/ (build data/iperf): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
May 12 16:04:52 <liwei> which topic?
May 12 16:06:55 <Qwell> TAsn-ghost: the topic is referring to hardware only.  It is still a development product
May 12 16:07:11 <TAsn-ghost> Qwell, oh.
May 12 16:07:27 * TAsn-ghost is sad :)
May 12 16:11:26 <TAsn> will it be usable? i mean is suspend implemented? what about battery life? gsm and phone in general?
May 12 16:14:27 <bricode> Anyone have any success building qtopia and underground images using MokoMakefile?
May 12 16:22:49 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r51175a94f5c7 10/gta02-dm2/ (build data/iperf): add-iperf.patch
May 12 16:24:57 <liwei> i want to boot from sd card , which rootfs i should download? ( .yaffs   or .tar.gz )
May 12 16:55:41 <gtodd> hello, can anyone tell me if the USB port on the new hardware  (i.e. Neo1973 GTA02 - aka FreeRunner) will allow for charging of the phone via USB ?
May 12 16:56:11 <liwei> yes
May 12 16:56:46 <bricode> gtodd: Yep. The power adaptor that ships with it is 5V 2.0A.
May 12 16:56:54 <liwei> through usb can boot if no battery
May 12 16:57:27 <gtodd> oh cool ... probably a bunch of "off the shelf"  generic USB power hardware will work too
May 12 16:57:58 <bricode> gtodd: Yep. I occasionally charge mine with my Blackberry charger.
May 12 16:58:06 <gtodd> cool so I could plug the phone into my computer's USB port and charge it up?
May 12 16:58:17 <gtodd> very nice and flexible
May 12 16:58:34 <bricode> gtodd: Yep. Even log into it using ssh over usb.
May 12 16:58:52 <gtodd> the flexible charging alone will be a major marketing feature
May 12 16:59:57 <Deubeuliou> why can the Neo be so cheaper than the iPhone ?
May 12 17:00:18 <Deubeuliou> s§why/how
May 12 17:00:48 <gtodd> I look forward to writing a shell script for the GPS features that will allow the phone to send out a geohashed location just before its battery dies "come and find me
May 12 17:00:56 <gtodd> master" ...
May 12 17:01:20 <liwei> hehe , good idea
May 12 17:01:23 <Deubeuliou> :D
May 12 17:02:18 <CVirus> deja vu
May 12 17:02:22 <CVirus> anyways
May 12 17:02:31 <CVirus> gtodd: how do you plan to send this message ?
May 12 17:02:36 <CVirus> normal sms ?
May 12 17:03:30 <gtodd> dunno ... email/sms/jabber :-)  if only geohash.org had 1x1 metre precision so I could find the phone in my office
May 12 17:03:31 <liwei> but i will tell you  a thing that freerunner's battery can support very short time , about erverday have to charge it
May 12 17:03:47 <gtodd> liwei: :-(
May 12 17:03:57 <gtodd> liwei: well maybe it will get better
May 12 17:03:59 <SpeedEvil> liwei: the power saving software is _not_ done.
May 12 17:04:35 <gtodd> geohash.org is pretty cool :)
May 12 17:05:15 <liwei> well maybe done in GTA02 V6?
May 12 17:05:38 <gtodd> can't wait to get my hands on a Neo ... my sense is it will be the geographically-savvy phone par excellence
May 12 17:05:44 <gtodd> cheers
May 12 17:05:46 <liwei> software or hardware can't saving?
May 12 17:06:20 <SpeedEvil> software
May 12 17:06:32 <SpeedEvil> the hardware can do it - it's just that the software needs to turn it on.
May 12 17:06:43 <unknown_lamer> aren't there working cpufreq patches and stuff?
May 12 17:06:44 <SpeedEvil> (or off)
May 12 17:06:48 <liwei> sounds good
May 12 17:07:00 <unknown_lamer> If they do then ... at the very least emacs /etc/cpufreqd.conf works
May 12 17:07:03 <liwei> i have another question about mic
May 12 17:07:11 <unknown_lamer> and then setting the X dpms settings
May 12 17:07:15 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: cpufreq is tlimited
May 12 17:07:23 <liwei> i found my mic 's sound is very small
May 12 17:07:27 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: you need one big daemon that handles it all.
May 12 17:07:59 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: from turning on/off the LCD, to ringtones, to ...
May 12 17:08:04 <Deubeuliou> there is no camera, is there ?
May 12 17:08:09 <SpeedEvil> Deubeuliou: yes
May 12 17:08:13 <SpeedEvil> Deubeuliou: there is no camera.
May 12 17:08:23 <unknown_lamer> SpeedEvil: aye, but before the power management stuff is fully working just telling cpufreqd to keep the processor running at minimum speed would hopefully give a bit of extra life
May 12 17:08:25 <liwei> peer's people want to listen to me must careful
May 12 17:09:03 <zedstar_> gtodd how does geohash work....u have some cordinates and make a hash of it? and then?
May 12 17:09:09 <SpeedEvil> unknown_lamer: sure
May 12 17:09:14 <liwei> do you have the same issue?
May 12 17:09:22 <SpeedEvil> zedstar: bury some hash there.
May 12 17:09:36 <zedstar_> lol
May 12 17:09:51 <gtodd> zedstar: yup ... the neat thing is the longer the hash the more precision ...
May 12 17:10:02 <gtodd> zedstar: the hashes aren't random
May 12 17:10:04 <unknown_lamer> SpeedEvil: but I guess we'll get to see in a monthish
May 12 17:10:10 <gtodd> zedstar: just shorthand
May 12 17:10:34 <unknown_lamer> at this point if it can stay on for an entire day and talk more than half an hour I'll be happy ... poor old nokia is damn near dead
May 12 17:10:48 <zedstar_> the point being u query then via hash rather than lookup with coordinates?
May 12 17:11:27 <gtodd> zedstar: yes, you consume it ... use the hash to add place names, etc.
May 12 17:11:57 <gtodd> it's quite convenient ... the hash sort becomes like a telephone number :)
May 12 17:12:04 <zedstar_> but isnt a hash more confusing that decimal coordinates which are also unique enough?
May 12 17:12:11 <zedstar_> than
May 12 17:12:28 <SpeedEvil> Is the hash for encryption?
May 12 17:12:42 <SpeedEvil> I like the quadtiles method
May 12 17:12:53 <SpeedEvil> 0 means northern hemisphere, 1 southern
May 12 17:13:11 <SpeedEvil> 01 means northwestern quarter sphere
May 12 17:13:31 <SpeedEvil> 010 means northnorthwestern eighth of a sphere
May 12 17:14:27 <SpeedEvil> (0N-45N -180W - 0W)
May 12 17:15:01 <SpeedEvil> Each subsequent bit halves the area that a location can be in.
May 12 17:15:26 <Robot101> mmm, thats nice
May 12 17:16:27 <gtodd> zedstar ... the hash is more compact I guess
May 12 17:16:41 <TAsn> will it be usable? i mean is suspend implemented? what about battery life? gsm and phone in general? (reffering to up and coming release)
May 12 17:16:47 <gtodd> anyway gotta jet
May 12 17:16:51 <SpeedEvil> TAsn: it will not be usable
May 12 17:16:59 <SpeedEvil> TAsn: it will be very much a work in progress.
May 12 17:17:16 <SpeedEvil> TAsn: it will not be usable ( for most end-users) when it's released.
May 12 17:17:36 <TAsn> SpeedEvil, :\
May 12 17:17:40 <SpeedEvil> Make/recieve SMS and calls, 6h or so on battery - no problem.
May 12 17:17:47 <SpeedEvil> Much more, and it will vary.
May 12 17:18:02 <TAsn> oh, this is what i meant by usable
May 12 17:18:12 <thresh> 6 hours in standby?
May 12 17:18:17 <TAsn> reasonable battery life and calls/sms
May 12 17:18:27 <thresh> or 6 hours in talks
May 12 17:18:29 <TAsn> thresh, i guess standby isn't working yet
May 12 17:18:37 <TAsn> suspend that is
May 12 17:18:46 <unknown_lamer> thresh: raster says he gets 5-6 hours with it on (no power saving at all iirc)
May 12 17:18:50 <Qwell> I have a dumb somewhat related question for you guys..  if the phone is only going to get 6 hours, I'd like to carry another phone with me..  is there some way to make both phones ring on the same DID?  I guess basically have the "same" SIM in both
May 12 17:18:55 <unknown_lamer> thresh: but not making calls afaik
May 12 17:19:08 <TAsn> Qwell, yeah
May 12 17:19:22 <Qwell> I don't know how GSM registrations work
May 12 17:19:27 <TAsn> just go to your provider and ask for a second sim
May 12 17:19:33 <TAsn> i also don't know
May 12 17:19:38 <TAsn> i just know i got 2 sims
May 12 17:19:39 <unknown_lamer> Qwell: each SIM is unique from eternity to eternity or the heat death of the universe
May 12 17:19:42 <TAsn> and 2 phones
May 12 17:19:53 <TAsn> same number
May 12 17:19:53 <Qwell> TAsn: and more importantly, 2 phone numbers
May 12 17:19:55 <Qwell> oh?
May 12 17:20:03 <TAsn> both ring at the same time.
May 12 17:20:09 <Qwell> hmm, gsm?  what provider?
May 12 17:20:24 <TAsn> gsm, orange
May 12 17:20:34 <Qwell> interesting.  I'll have to ask t-mo
May 12 17:21:01 <TAsn> you should, though they charge extra for this.
May 12 17:21:12 <unknown_lamer> Qwell: if you *really* want to do something like that you'll need two lines (evil! but not *that* expensive if you do the shared plan minutes thing with t-mo)
May 12 17:21:23 <Qwell> +$10/mo
May 12 17:21:29 <Qwell> which isn't terrible, but..
May 12 17:21:35 <unknown_lamer> Qwell: then you could set up a gsm call forward thing to forward calls from your freerunner number to the backup number when it is not reachable
May 12 17:21:52 <thresh> huh, i think i'll reconsider buying freerunner now
May 12 17:22:03 <Qwell> unknown_lamer: yeah, that's reasonable
May 12 17:22:16 <unknown_lamer> I forget how they bill forwarded calls nowadays ... last time I did it to a landline you got 500 secret minutes for forwarding, but they've clamped down on stuff like that in the last three years so you may get double charged
May 12 17:22:43 <TAsn> thresh, im also considering.
May 12 17:22:53 <Qwell> forwarded messages would be covered by my in-plan minutes (unlimited)
May 12 17:22:55 <TAsn> 400$ isn't too expensive
May 12 17:23:06 <thresh> well, yeah..
May 12 17:23:09 <TAsn> my nokia 6680 died
May 12 17:23:21 <unknown_lamer> I paid nearly that much for my 100Mhz / 12M RAM / 8M flash phone!
May 12 17:23:23 <TAsn> my only problem battery life
May 12 17:23:30 <thresh> but it's apparently not worth it for 400$ as for me
May 12 17:24:01 <TAsn> thresh, troublesome.
May 12 17:24:06 <TAsn> i really want one
May 12 17:24:21 <thresh> i do, but i want a working one :)
May 12 17:24:22 <TAsn> i dream about one for more than an year now.
May 12 17:24:28 <TAsn> thresh, same here
May 12 17:24:36 <TAsn> that's why i aint got gta01
May 12 17:24:55 <ScaredyCat> think I'd better dance now.....
May 12 17:24:56 <ScaredyCat> ..
May 12 17:25:02 <bipak_> hi, do you plan to add a line in/out audio jack at the PCB?
May 12 17:25:04 <TAsn> i may not have enough time to config it endlessly
May 12 17:25:15 <TAsn> Bigcheese, it has out.
May 12 17:25:18 <TAsn> i think
May 12 17:25:24 <TAsn> bipak_, *
May 12 17:25:33 <SpeedEvil> bipolar: you can do USB audio in
May 12 17:25:47 <kinneh> is X11 still broken in head ?
May 12 17:26:13 <bipak_> hmm would be nice to record directly from my hardware mixer
May 12 17:26:24 <Lintus> so, any very new news about starting mass prod?
May 12 17:26:47 <TAsn> 16 may
May 12 17:27:01 <TAsn> is the deadline as the topic implies.
May 12 17:27:08 <Lintus> i thought there would be more latest.
May 12 17:28:35 <TAsn> the only thing im scared of
May 12 17:28:42 <Lintus> Cant wait for it. Will there be any haberdashery in the package for early buyers?
May 12 17:29:11 <TAsn> is buying freerunner and a week later a new phone will be out, just like gta01 and freerunner.
May 12 17:29:12 <TAsn> :\
May 12 17:29:27 <ScaredyCat> unlikely
May 12 17:29:28 <Lintus> New openmoko?
May 12 17:29:38 <TAsn> Lintus, im afraid of.
May 12 17:29:40 <Lintus> I think no :D
May 12 17:29:48 <Qwell> "the SIM card in the second phone would be different of course, but internally would still have the same MSISDN assigned to it (phone number)... and the HLR would probably just have multiple entries based on the SIM card's IMSI for locations of the phones" "then when a call is placed outgoing it probably bills/authenticates MSISDN" "then inbound it finds each IMSI on record for the MSISDN, and call each..."
May 12 17:29:51 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, what about upgrades in the pcb?
May 12 17:29:58 <Qwell> if anybody is curious how that might work - technically :D
May 12 17:30:08 <TAsn> Qwell, :)
May 12 17:30:16 <TAsn> i don't need theory
May 12 17:30:20 <ScaredyCat> I don't think they'll rev the board, unless there'd a big problem
May 12 17:30:21 <TAsn> i got it working :)
May 12 17:30:37 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, i saw somewhere in the website
May 12 17:30:43 <Qwell> TAsn: yeah, wasn't saying you didn't.  I was just asking around how it work actually work :)
May 12 17:30:56 <Qwell> it's interesting, from a technical perspective
May 12 17:31:01 <TAsn> Qwell, i know, j/k :)
May 12 17:31:12 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, they said something about
May 12 17:31:17 <ScaredyCat> Qwell: there's a twin phone out there... it's like 2 phones stuck back to back
May 12 17:31:17 <TAsn> A6 or A5
May 12 17:31:23 <TAsn> or i don't know what.
May 12 17:31:27 <Qwell> ScaredyCat: but that reads the same SIM, yeah?
May 12 17:31:29 <ScaredyCat> yeah, that's sorted TAsn
May 12 17:31:36 <ScaredyCat> Qwell: no 2 sims
May 12 17:31:39 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, oh, cool :)
May 12 17:31:44 <Qwell> odd
May 12 17:31:48 <Qwell> what's the..err..purpose?
May 12 17:31:50 <TAsn> Qwell, he is talking about dual sim phones
May 12 17:31:58 <TAsn> two diffrent lines
May 12 17:31:58 <ScaredyCat> Qwell: business +  personal
May 12 17:32:02 <Qwell> yeah, I can see dual sim phones, but...two phones?
May 12 17:32:13 <ScaredyCat> it's one phone
May 12 17:32:16 <ScaredyCat> just looks like 2
May 12 17:32:16 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, exaclly what i was about to say
May 12 17:32:23 <Qwell> yeah, why would you n...nevermind
May 12 17:32:24 <TAsn> doesn't look
May 12 17:32:26 <TAsn> work
May 12 17:32:40 <TAsn> Qwell, as he said, biz vs personal
May 12 17:32:57 <Qwell> but why would it look like 2 separate phones?  that's just silly
May 12 17:34:03 <SpeedEvil> cheapest design effort.
May 12 17:34:13 <Qwell> so it actually has 2 separate screens?
May 12 17:34:17 <SpeedEvil> Otherwise you'd need to write software.
May 12 17:34:30 <Qwell> yeah...a dropdown box in a dialer would be so difficult :)
May 12 17:34:32 <SpeedEvil> I dunno - I've not seen it - I'm assuming the initial comment was tight.
May 12 17:34:53 <TAsn> SpeedEvil, i think you are wrong about the design.
May 12 17:35:15 <ScaredyCat> yes, Qwell silver on one side, black on the other, 2 separate screens.
May 12 17:35:22 <ScaredyCat> you can even call one from the other
May 12 17:35:35 <TAsn> ScaredyCat, :)
May 12 17:35:50 <Qwell> that just seems really silly to me.  must've been a marketing thing..
May 12 17:35:53 <ScaredyCat> I'm still looking for hte link...
May 12 17:37:25 * Dialog some give psybnc or freeshell to me? please :S
May 12 17:40:01 <ccfly> howdy :)
May 12 17:42:45 <ScaredyCat> I'm pretty sure it was on engadget... can't seem to find it though
May 12 17:43:32 <Lintus> That sounds silly :D
May 12 17:48:10 <ScaredyCat> http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/8182/9206/Dual-screen-mobile-phone-coming.phtml
May 12 17:48:29 <ScaredyCat> gadgetdiscovery link seems to have died though
May 12 17:49:14 <ScaredyCat> http://www.wndtelecom.com/en/mobile/2000-Duo/
May 12 17:49:21 <Qwell> yeah, that's kinda dumb
May 12 17:50:08 <Qwell> maybe if it was slick and the silver/black was able to "flip"
May 12 17:50:14 <Qwell> and just have 1 screen/keypad
May 12 17:50:19 <ScaredyCat> I'm so glad it wasn't a dream... 
May 12 17:52:58 <ScaredyCat> http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/11/split-personalities-the-wnd-wind-duo-2000/
May 12 17:53:04 <ScaredyCat> lots of people seem to want it
May 12 18:00:46 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03agreen * r9cbd597222b5 10/gta02-dm2/data/ (dynenv environment.prep): add-missing-dynenv-and-environment.prep
May 12 18:18:35 <Lintus> whats the point to boot the phone with different logic circuit?
May 12 19:38:09 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rf17b5e9baf58 10/ophoned/ (gsm/channel.py gsm/error.py gsm/mediator.py objects2.py): python-ophoned: mess around with wakeup, create KeepAliveChannel
May 12 20:53:14 <Qwell> in response to my earlier question about multiple SIMs on the same number..  T-Mobile US does not allow it.
May 12 20:53:21 <Qwell> "security precaution"
May 12 21:00:01 <juri_> ok, where do i find the default ringtone on the FS so i can replace it? its not in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds...
May 12 21:11:45 <kdean06> juri_, On my images it's /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav
May 12 21:13:08 <juri_> aha. thanks.
May 12 21:34:17 <exco> if I have an OpenMoko image, what are the restrictions regarding which kernel version I can use with it?
May 12 21:41:14 <mwester> exco: the modules in /lib/modules need to match the kernel.  Other than that, the restrictions only involve bug fix types of changes.
May 12 21:59:35 <exco> thanks, mwester
May 12 21:59:43 <exco> that's what I wanted to hear
May 12 22:02:50 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r25212b12bb0e 10/gta02-dm2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch
May 12 22:17:10 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r737943218145 10/gta02-dm2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch
May 12 22:22:52 <jorgenpt> There's nothing more on the power management of the neo1973 than http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates#Power_Management_on_the_Neo1973 ?
May 12 22:23:42 <balrog-kun> most of the power management design follows linux standards, so there isn't much to say about it
May 12 22:24:26 <jorgenpt> I mean about if the phone is in any way usable :-)
May 12 22:24:30 <jorgenpt> (like suspend?)
May 12 22:25:18 <mjr> apparently suspend is still not quite reliable, but has come a long way
May 12 22:30:06 <balrog-kun> well, if something isn't usable it's usually worked on instead of the documentation :)
May 12 22:30:12 <balrog-kun> the docs come at the end when stuff works
May 12 22:33:50 <jorgenpt> Yeah
May 12 22:34:10 <jorgenpt> I tried keeping up with what happened on the pm front, but it was quiet for a long time :-)
May 12 22:34:30 <jorgenpt> I won't dev anything for a phone I can't use day-to-day, (-;
May 12 22:35:07 <balrog-kun> it's discutible whether it's day-to-day usable now
May 12 22:35:21 <balrog-kun> afaik suspend/resume is not working for that, at this moment
May 12 22:35:35 <balrog-kun> but it might be usable being powerea ll the time if you charge every day
May 12 22:35:46 <balrog-kun> *powered
May 12 22:35:57 <mjr> It somewhat is, but I often run out of batteries ;)
May 12 22:36:56 <jorgenpt> Plural?
May 12 22:37:36 <juri_> Grrr. having real fun creating a ringtone for my OM.
May 12 22:37:42 <mjr> singular actually. I have a spare but I don't drag it with me.
May 12 22:38:41 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * rc9a31f54f774 10/gta02-dm2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch
May 12 22:40:23 <juri_> i just wrote a ringtone at 1.4 Mb, 16_le, single channel, 44,100hz... and now my openmoko won't ring.
May 12 22:40:40 <juri_> is there some limit on ringtone length or something?
May 12 22:43:11 <juri_> hmm.
May 12 22:43:15 <juri_> ok, its nuts.
May 12 22:43:29 <juri_> now, its playing my ringtone.. over and over again every few seconds, overlapping itsself.
May 12 22:43:41 <CVirus> lol
May 12 22:44:32 <juri_> is there some setting in some text file i need to edit?
May 12 22:54:24 <juri_> Grr.
May 12 22:58:15 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r215cfc469df4 10/gta02-dm2/ (8 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch
May 12 23:08:19 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03andy * r2f47af07d1bd 10/gta02-dm2/ (8 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch
May 12 23:22:48 <idarwin> hey, just upgraded after slacking for a while, and hope there is a way to get the qwerty keyboard instead of this telephone-pad-like thing, I do not like it this way...
May 12 23:57:43 <RyanPrior> I'm trying to get OpenMoko running in VirtualBox or QEMU - I'm reading the wiki page about it, but it seems like I have to compile a special openmoko-qemu version, which I would think wouldn't be necessary. Am I missing something?
May 12 23:57:57 <RyanPrior> I'd ideally like to just download the latest root filesystem and be able to boot that up.
May 13 00:02:30 <balrog-kun> i don't know of exisiting binary packages of the openmoko version of qemu
May 13 00:02:33 <juri_> nope. you'll have to have the special version, to emulate special hardware.
May 13 00:03:03 <balrog-kun> but the rootfs, yes, you can just download and boot either on the openmoko hardware or openmoko qemu
May 13 00:03:35 <balrog-kun> once you have either of these
May 13 00:05:20 <arndtroide> use MokoMakefile, it can build the special qemu, download the newest image and runs it with 3 or 4 commands
May 13 00:07:07 <juri_> and a billion hours waiting on things to compile. :P
May 13 00:09:01 <balrog-kun> RyanPrior: btw. Virtual Box only emulates a pc
May 13 00:10:36 <arndtroide> no, you must not build the image, only the qemu. With 'make qemu' the offical image is downoaded 
May 13 00:18:04 <bricod1> Speaking of Qemu, anyone have problems running it with GTA02 code?
May 13 00:48:20 <balrog-kun> bricod1: which code in particular?
May 13 00:49:37 <balrog-kun> the kernel and bootloader won't run for obvious reasons
May 13 01:18:54 <bricod1> balrog-kun: Right. That pretty much answers my question.
May 13 01:19:43 <bricod1> balrog-kun: Was getting errors like s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38
May 13 01:20:06 <balrog-kun> bricod1: ah no, these are expected
May 13 01:20:41 <balrog-kun> they're just warning addresses at whoever made the mmci linux driver
May 13 01:20:49 <balrog-kun> that was no one in Openmoko i think
May 13 01:21:12 <balrog-kun> *warnings addressed
May 13 01:46:44 <juri_> todays kernel release removed some of those warnings, and made my audio not "click" as the dialer tried to call out.
May 13 01:46:54 <juri_> good work, people.
May 13 02:59:52 <zash> can someone screenshot the screenshot-thingy and upload it to scap?
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