**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 13 02:59:56 2008 May 13 03:07:16 I'll give it a shot. No promises, tho. May 13 03:08:20 Does anybody build with x86_64? I've been trying to build for a couple weeks, but keep failing on gettext-native. May 13 03:13:08 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/adcd91a7b687238f02b03ce7b0a7db71.png May 13 03:14:03 What's with the empty button? May 13 03:14:38 sagaci1: thanks :D May 13 03:14:57 Dominus: what empty button? May 13 03:15:13 Left of browse May 13 03:15:19 Dominus: the one between the filename and Browse..? May 13 03:15:23 Yes May 13 03:15:27 * nab hrmms May 13 03:15:30 there is a small black down-arrow on it May 13 03:15:30 It's a down-arrow for the combo-box May 13 03:15:47 Oh, weird. May 13 03:16:05 That's really a strange place for a combobox :) May 13 03:16:09 It's just that hard to see on my phone, too. May 13 03:16:09 Even if it were recognizable. May 13 03:16:13 Does anyone know if there is a way to disable kern.* messages from going into /var/log/messages with busybox's syslog.conf..? May 13 03:16:27 not I. May 13 03:16:29 Dominus: you could adjust your gamma some, and someone should change that arrow to white May 13 03:16:54 I am trying to debug pppd, and the noise from the kernel ring buffer (namely pcf50633_*) May 13 03:17:01 er May 13 03:17:03 grep? May 13 03:17:17 zash: :-) May 13 03:18:16 cat /proc/cmdline May 13 03:18:16 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) May 13 03:18:25 * nab notes the loglevel=8 May 13 03:18:48 * nab checks Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt May 13 03:19:40 No wonder the default setup is not saving to /var/log/messages May 13 03:19:41 :-) May 13 03:19:51 s/setup/syslog.conf May 13 03:21:03 ehm, /var on flash feels bad May 13 03:21:28 zash: its on tmpfs I believe May 13 03:21:41 tmpfs 63128 272 62856 0% /var/volatile May 13 03:22:08 similar to ramdisk? May 13 03:22:15 , I believe so May 13 03:22:58 It probably does limited buffer caching, etc to leave the maximum amount of memory for applications May 13 03:23:05 But I could be wrong May 13 03:23:14 * nab usually works a few layers lower in the storage stack May 13 03:23:15 :-) May 13 03:23:42 tmpfs 63128 272 62856 0% /var/volatile May 13 03:23:42 tmpfs 63128 40 63088 0% /dev/shm May 13 03:24:02 Actually, the 2nd mount is pointed at the shared memory character device May 13 03:24:25 er, shared memory directory. :-) May 13 03:24:55 But anyways May 13 03:25:03 * nab gets back to pppd debugging May 13 03:31:01 * nab notes the GTA02 did do voice out of the box May 13 03:31:09 Which is pretty awesome. :-) May 13 03:31:22 s/voice/voice calls May 13 03:31:54 ASUM May 13 03:32:03 Great job GSM devs. :-) May 13 03:36:09 sagaci1: I'm building on x86_64 (OpenSuSE 10.3) and I didn't have any problem with gettext-native May 13 03:39:58 mmontour: I guess I'll try another update or something. Maybe whack my tmp/ or something. I have a script now that continuously update/builds until successful, and it's been running continuously. May 13 03:40:51 If you put your error message on pastebin.com or similar, someone may be able to help you. May 13 03:42:56 I've got Ubuntu Gutsy May 13 03:53:18 Here's my error: http://pastebin.com/m3f5c084b May 13 03:54:08 Wooop May 13 03:54:17 Oh, wait. That was a rebuild of gettext-native.... May 13 03:54:19 GPRS is up. :-) May 13 03:54:55 nab: nice :D May 13 03:55:10 I spent a few months trying to make GTA01 do it.. May 13 03:55:20 * sagaci1 is jealous of the freerunner May 13 03:55:33 I figured it ended up being a baseband firmware bug with my 3G Cingular card May 13 03:55:43 Did you get the GTA01 to ppp OK? May 13 03:55:51 I did it once, but then it stopped working. May 13 03:56:07 sagaci1: Oddly enough, gsmd worked OK for the most part on GTA01 May 13 03:56:28 But wrt GPRS, i never got a packet response or the first outgoing request packet. May 13 03:56:33 Here's my actual build error: http://pastebin.com/m3251922d May 13 03:56:36 s/or/for May 13 03:57:06 Ok, now its time to actually move some block IO over the GPRS link. :-) May 13 03:57:09 huh. On Cingular (2G card - still haven't flashed the gsm), I connect just fine May 13 03:57:13 Just no pppd May 13 03:57:22 push it out! May 13 03:57:41 sagaci1: The GSM firwmare bug was specifically about the 3G 'fireball' cards for GTA)1 May 13 03:58:05 But since the voice part did work, the issues with GPRS I could only attribute to that. May 13 03:58:35 Anyways, I need to get my kernel modules compiled for v2.6.24.. May 13 03:58:44 nab: Yeah, I know. I had one of the bad 3G sim cards at first, but bought and old one on eBay May 13 03:59:35 My GTA01 should be coming back with the updated firmware soon. May 13 04:00:00 It will be interesting to see if it works now that we have a working set of cingular ppp scripts May 13 04:00:07 * nab promises to post them on the wiki May 13 04:03:50 At least send them to me. ;-) May 13 04:04:54 They really need to go on the Manually_using_GPRS page May 13 04:05:01 There are only the t-mobile ones there now May 13 04:05:03 :-) May 13 04:05:05 Ah, yeah, the only page... May 13 04:05:08 At least as a rference May 13 04:05:21 Hmm... I posted one for ATT/Cingular a while ago... May 13 04:05:23 I recall seeing that settings-ui for GPRS stuff May 13 04:05:43 Looked pretty useful. :-) May 13 04:06:32 Oh, yeah.... Something like that. May 13 04:08:20 I'll pastebin my connect scripts for Cingular.... if I could attach to my phone.... May 13 04:10:05 Ok, time to get the toolkit setup for building the LIO packages May 13 04:10:07 man.... It's getting too late for me to remember why the usb got flakey. May 13 04:11:55 sagaci1: coffee to the rescue! May 13 04:12:38 No way. Gotta work in a little while. Need to sleep first. May 13 04:12:49 * sagaci1 is cursing at the multi-tap keyboard as a terminal input device. May 13 04:13:09 coffee > sleep May 13 04:13:35 heh May 13 04:13:52 1 hr drive > !sleep May 13 04:14:20 Why does the multi-tap keypad sometimes have "/" and sometimes not? May 13 04:14:35 sagaci1: to confuse you, and make you hate it May 13 04:14:54 sagaci1: it's suicidal May 13 04:14:55 Yay! It works as designed then.. May 13 04:15:06 I guess I just need a bluetooth kb May 13 04:16:20 The "<-" is tab, so I can't correct any fun typing mistakes. May 13 04:16:36 So, I can't start gprs because I can't type "/" May 13 04:16:44 ssh! May 13 04:17:11 My usb is getting errors. No connection. I was testing suspend/resume. I think I confused it. May 13 04:17:26 sagaci1: you could try cd .. May 13 04:17:35 and copypasting a / from the prompt May 13 04:17:48 heh. Yeah, but no copy. Only paste! May 13 04:18:31 is there any way to do the select + middleclick-trix? May 13 04:19:23 * sagaci1 taps the screen with his *middle* finger.... May 13 04:19:48 Hey, the paste button is also the copy button. May 13 04:20:00 srsly, what use is it to have X in your pocket if you cant do the select+middleclick? May 13 04:20:00 first click->copy, second click->paste May 13 04:20:10 coul May 13 04:23:36 terminal lost line wrapping.... :( May 13 04:23:50 multi-tap typing with no visible feedback! May 13 04:23:58 :( May 13 04:24:13 but, ssh over bt? May 13 04:25:28 egad, you want me to configure bt inside the terminal window with multitap? May 13 04:25:32 * sagaci1 gasps May 13 04:25:40 vi would be a blast! May 13 04:26:00 haha May 13 04:27:32 I know why my usb died.... I was in the uboot screen and booted while in cu May 13 04:30:55 In fact, the Locale group won $25,000 and advanced to the finals of a $10 million Android developers challenge Google is running. May 13 04:31:13 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080512/ap_on_hi_te/android_class;_ylt=AsBkak1ZO_FlPU58Q_yhQNAjtBAF May 13 04:31:59 nab: These are the scripts I was using. I haven't tried them for a while. http://pastebin.com/d1651f8d0 May 13 04:32:18 they proly are using some of yourns code May 13 04:32:44 hello moko! May 13 04:33:13 hey does the project have a marketing department? May 13 04:33:29 i have a few domains i'll be working on and building stuff around May 13 04:33:39 i wouldn't mind collaborating, or at minimum making sure that i'm on message May 13 04:36:56 holycow: need scripts? May 13 04:40:59 programming, or marketing? May 13 04:41:28 the former May 13 04:42:22 i may :) i'll be using openacs which is tcl based, although i am not discounting anything apache based May 13 04:42:44 oh and why thank you for the generous offer, that was unexpected :) May 13 04:42:55 :D May 13 04:43:05 right now i mostly want to make sure i don't duplicate something the team is doing, or take away from their efforts May 13 04:52:39 'nite May 13 04:53:20 I'm so bored i made a cli pastebin-thingy May 13 04:54:20 heh May 13 04:54:47 someone wrote a bash irc client when their ubuntu installer did the wrong thing and decided to deep format the entire disk May 13 04:54:53 he was stuck for something to do so he wrote one May 13 04:54:54 lol May 13 04:54:59 sounds like it might of been you? May 13 04:54:59 :0 May 13 04:55:04 :) even May 13 04:55:52 haha May 13 04:56:18 in the future perhaps May 13 04:58:15 So mass production should start in the next 100 hours or so? May 13 04:58:59 before may 16 May 13 04:59:15 So yeah. May 13 04:59:16 note that they year is missing ;) May 13 05:01:24 Haha... True. :( I hope it does get started. May 13 05:18:43 mtn: certificates | keys | revisions May 13 05:18:43 mtn: 75,563 | 71 | 24,910 May 13 05:18:43 mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in May 13 05:18:43 mtn: 15.1 k | 9.1 k | 0 | 0 May 13 05:18:43 mtn: fatal: std::runtime_error: network error: recv failure: Connection timed out May 13 05:18:44 ugh May 13 05:20:24 * nab downloads packages over GPRS with opkg install May 13 05:20:48 Yes, I know its slower, but I have been waiting for GPRS to be up for a while. :-) May 13 05:22:12 so which phone company in the middle of the usa would be best to use? May 13 05:22:54 linuxxr: You can check the coverage maps @ http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml May 13 05:23:02 att tmobile sprint ? May 13 05:23:09 ok May 13 05:23:13 sprint is CDMA I believe May 13 05:23:21 Well, until they go Mobile-WiMax. :-) May 13 05:23:59 I have a Cingluar plan and opted for a 850 Mhz phone, as the older standard has better coverage (according to gsmworld) as compared to 900Mhz in the US. May 13 05:24:19 just a bit better from what I could tell May 13 05:24:25 At least for ATT May 13 05:25:07 Then again, I do have a Rokr E2 that is 900 Mhz May 13 05:25:18 And it has worked well with ATT for the most part May 13 05:26:16 Grr, monotone.openmoko.org is still not responding May 13 05:26:29 * nab kicks the source repository May 13 05:27:18 I am tempted to just to use the existing GTA01 userspace packages for core-iscsi May 13 05:28:26 I assume that userspace stuff from 4 months ago should still run. :-) May 13 05:29:04 All I really need is the v2.6.24+patches source then to build iscsi_initiator_mod.ko May 13 05:29:48 WHich would end up in moko/build/tmp/work/neo1973-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ for GTA)1 May 13 05:29:55 (Using MokoMakefile) May 13 05:31:17 * nab wonders where the kernel source tarballs for v2.6.24 is May 13 05:33:03 * nab locates http://buildhost.openmoko.org/sources/ May 13 05:38:49 * nab finds http://git.openmoko.org/?p=gta02-production-testing.git;a=summary May 13 05:46:09 I'm a PHP developer, linux laptop user, and relatively technically competent May 13 05:46:26 Any advice on whether the FreeRunner, when it ships, will be usable to me, or should I hold off till later in the year? May 13 05:46:39 I've never written a line of C code, if that matters :) May 13 05:47:12 heathen! May 13 05:47:20 well, it has a python interpreter May 13 05:47:26 Oh, and btw, I'm gutted to hear the orange phone has been dropped, I *love* the idea of an open source, orange phone! :) May 13 05:49:16 ewon: lol, you talking to me? May 13 05:49:27 I haven't written any python code either, although I've thought about it! May 13 05:50:07 * FuzzyCat wonders why buildhost.openmoko.org/sources isn't the same as downloads.openmoko.org/sources May 13 05:53:11 mickey|zzZZzz: Call.ReleaseHeld propably also releases incoming calls aswell? (refer to +chld=0) May 13 05:53:21 ffs May 13 05:53:24 Anyone? May 13 05:56:15 if you're unsure then you should praobably wait. May 13 05:56:35 it doesn't matter about the lack of C programming... May 13 05:57:54 if you just want to use it as a phone / pda type thing and do the occasional hacking then, right now, it's probably not for you. May 13 05:58:05 the software isn't ready May 13 05:58:12 and wont be for a long time May 13 05:59:20 FuzzyCat: are the backends halfway stable yet? like gsmd? May 13 05:59:37 from what I read it's all about to change.. May 13 06:00:29 I'm not sure I'd even think about doing any serious development until the project leaders get their arses in gear May 13 06:00:29 sssshh May 13 06:08:12 FuzzyCat: Thanks May 13 06:08:46 I'm keen to play with it, to get involved, but I'd need it to be at least reliable at making phone calls! May 13 06:08:56 It can't be much worse than my treo 680! :) May 13 06:29:53 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * refe54522c24d 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Call holding related functions and added more tests for them May 13 06:29:53 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r4d642a229521 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:gsmd2 May 13 06:52:22 roflmao - that picture on planet -- looks like the 'Last Supper' May 13 06:54:58 Hmmmm May 13 06:55:10 * nab runs into build problems with kernel.git May 13 06:55:46 as: unrecognized option `-EL' May 13 06:55:53 WHich is for EndianLittle IIRC May 13 06:56:20 The cross toolkit is in my path.. May 13 06:56:21 Hrmmm May 13 06:56:47 From arch/arm/Makefile: May 13 06:56:48 ifeq ($(CONFIG_CPU_BIG_ENDIAN),y) May 13 06:56:48 KBUILD_CPPFLAGS += -mbig-endian May 13 06:56:48 AS += -EB May 13 06:56:48 LD += -EB May 13 06:56:48 else May 13 06:56:49 KBUILD_CPPFLAGS += -mlittle-endian May 13 06:56:51 AS += -EL May 13 06:56:53 LD += -EL May 13 06:56:55 endif May 13 06:57:17 /home/nab/GTA02-kernel/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -Wp,-MD,scripts/mod/.empty.o.d -nostdinc -isystem /home/nab/GTA02-kernel/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/include -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude -include include/linux/autoconf.h -mlittle-endian -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Os -marm -fno-omit- May 13 06:57:17 as: unrecognized option `-EL' May 13 06:57:20 Well that is strange.. May 13 06:57:48 good morning May 13 06:58:01 I don't actually see `-EL' on the offending call with KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 turned on May 13 06:58:20 * nab got the cross setup working just fine with v2.6.22.5 May 13 06:58:26 Hrmmm May 13 06:58:51 Anyone run into this while building from git.openmoko.org/kernel.git with the latest toolkit..? May 13 06:59:42 google:/home/nab/GTA02-kernel/linux-2.6# arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as --help | grep EL May 13 06:59:42 -EL assemble code for a little-endian cpu May 13 06:59:47 Hmmm May 13 07:00:24 For some reason it appears arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc is using the non cross as (which for x86, obviously does not have -EL :-) May 13 07:00:39 Sometimes I wish everyone used scratchbox. :-) May 13 07:00:52 But anyways, I wonder what it could be May 13 07:02:30 Time to put the gcc cross debugging glasses on May 13 07:02:47 * nab hopes he does not go insane now May 13 07:02:51 :P May 13 07:04:19 * nab trys with an older version of the toolkit May 13 07:06:04 Or rather, one built with MotoMakefile, instead of http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 May 13 07:06:27 root@om-gta02:/# cat /proc/version May 13 07:06:27 Linux version 2.6.24 (build@barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 May 13 07:07:10 So when you compile modules, its very important to have the identical version of GCC so that the different live code running in the kernel memory map is the identical. May 13 07:07:50 Otherwise you can get unexcepted results.. May 13 07:08:23 Running userspace code is expected to be compiled with a large configuration space of toolkits May 13 07:08:37 And can only cause so much damage when running as a non-privledged process May 13 07:08:38 :-) May 13 07:09:51 Ok cool, my previous working cross compile is also gcc 4.1.2 May 13 07:09:54 Lets see if it builds May 13 07:11:04 Can someone who knows more than I do about GPG tell me why both gpg --list-{public,secret}-keys say I have two keys? May 13 07:11:09 gah May 13 07:11:30 that was suposed to go in another channel May 13 07:11:41 Ok, the older toolkit is compiling kernel.git May 13 07:12:04 It looks like something is wack with http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 May 13 07:12:13 I am using Debian Etch i386 May 13 07:12:39 Who maintains the toolkit..? May 13 07:13:53 From the slience I will assume the openmoko-devel list. :-) May 13 07:14:57 I am just export the cross bins to PATH May 13 07:15:07 (Which is what I have always done) May 13 07:15:53 I noticed that the above bz2 has a setup-env that sets the cross toolkit prefix for each program name env var. May 13 07:16:20 eg: export CC="cross-arch-gcc" May 13 07:17:48 Perhaps the OpenMoko core folks should consider moving to scratchbox for simplify the toolkit setup May 13 07:18:08 * nab dreds going back to cross compiler after using scratchbox May 13 07:18:38 Using, let alone having to maintain one May 13 07:18:51 That can be a difficult job. May 13 07:19:18 LD fs/ocfs2/built-in.o May 13 07:19:18 CC [M] fs/ocfs2/alloc.o May 13 07:19:18 CC [M] fs/ocfs2/aops.o May 13 07:19:18 CC [M] fs/ocfs2/buffer_head_io.o May 13 07:19:18 CC [M] fs/ocfs2/dcache.o May 13 07:19:20 wooop May 13 07:29:44 Looks like its time for core-iscsi for v2.6.24 patching :-) May 13 07:29:59 eg: struct scatterlist->page to ->page_link changes May 13 07:46:55 hello, is there anyone use directfb on openmoko before? May 13 07:48:54 w3i: I believe raster would be the person you want to ask. May 13 07:48:55 :-) May 13 07:49:49 hmm... i dun see raster here May 13 07:50:08 He is doing alot wrt OpenMoko and Graphics May 13 07:50:20 oo really.. tats good.. May 13 07:50:27 Hang out for a bit, he usually jumps on around this time (I think he is in japan) May 13 07:50:41 alrite.. thanks nab May 13 07:50:45 :-) May 13 07:51:00 * nab goes back to kernel patching May 13 08:04:45 iscsi_initiator_mod: version magic '2.6.24-mokodev preempt mod_unload ARMv4 ' should be '2.6.24 preempt mod_unload ARMv4 ' May 13 08:04:56 * nab appends -mokodev to LOCAL_VERSION May 13 08:04:56 :-) May 13 08:06:13 Sorry May 13 08:06:13 EXTRAVERSION = -mokodev May 13 08:06:15 :-) May 13 08:06:29 * nab waves May 13 08:06:34 Greeting dwmw2 May 13 08:06:42 moin May 13 08:07:15 I as just porting some LIO code to GTA02 May 13 08:07:16 :-) May 13 08:07:20 s/as/was May 13 08:07:41 And the GPRS link is up and running May 13 08:08:02 I can do opkg install , et al. May 13 08:08:14 And the GSM just worked out of the box with my SIM May 13 08:08:22 :-) May 13 08:09:11 shiny May 13 08:10:19 I did have some issues with the current binary cross toolkit and building git.openmoko.org/kernel.git May 13 08:10:42 (For some reason the cross GCC was looking for local x86 as) May 13 08:11:14 I ended up using a source build that I was previously doing builds with. May 13 08:11:26 v2.6.24-mokodev kernel source build May 13 08:12:44 Actually, I hope the maemo and openmoko projects both end up using scratchbox May 13 08:12:59 It make cross devel so simple. :-) May 13 08:15:06 help me please, my neo1973 can't saveenv in uboot, anyone have same problem May 13 08:19:06 liwei: You should post to openmoko-kernel about that May 13 08:19:16 The uboot gurus will be checking it. :-) May 13 08:20:06 i think other's maybe no this problem May 13 08:21:59 SECOND ADCRDY <4>iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock_irq May 13 08:21:59 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_lock_bh May 13 08:21:59 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock_bh May 13 08:21:59 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock May 13 08:21:59 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock_irqrestore May 13 08:22:00 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_lock_irq May 13 08:22:02 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol __spin_lock_init May 13 08:22:04 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol __might_sleep May 13 08:22:06 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_lock_irqsave May 13 08:22:08 iscsi_initiator_mod: Unknown symbol _spin_lock May 13 08:22:10 Hrmm, that is strange May 13 08:22:29 dwmw2: Any ideas on that one..? May 13 08:23:09 All of that stuff is in include/linux/spinlock.h, yes..? May 13 08:24:24 Well, the CPP bits May 13 08:24:25 :-) May 13 08:24:27 yeah, although I don't think that's just amissing include May 13 08:25:08 I don't see anything during the module compile May 13 08:25:16 eg: no warnings May 13 08:25:19 Hrmm May 13 08:25:30 missing a LICENSE? May 13 08:25:52 WARNING: Symbol version dump /home/nab/GTA02-kernel/linux-2.6/Module.symvers May 13 08:25:52 is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions. May 13 08:26:01 ah, that won't help May 13 08:26:07 Hmm, mabye I should let the kernel finish building first. May 13 08:26:08 :-) May 13 08:26:18 * nab is multitasking May 13 08:26:49 Although I don't recall ever running into that problem before.. May 13 08:28:03 XorA: You mean module_license()..? May 13 08:28:21 nab: yeah May 13 08:28:27 modinfo core/iscsi_initiator_mod.ko May 13 08:28:27 filename: core/iscsi_initiator_mod.ko May 13 08:28:27 license: GPL May 13 08:28:27 description: Core-iSCSI Initiator Driver 1.x Release May 13 08:28:27 depends: May 13 08:28:27 vermagic: 2.6.24 preempt mod_unload ARMv4 May 13 08:28:30 :P May 13 08:28:38 Not AFAICT May 13 08:28:42 nab: just thats what gives wierd linking problems like that :-) May 13 08:28:48 May 13 08:29:04 Actually, those symbols are not GPL_ONLY May 13 08:30:20 Hrrmm May 13 08:30:59 * nab waits while -mokodev defaultconfig compiles May 13 08:34:00 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# cat /proc/interrupts May 13 08:34:00 CPU0 May 13 08:34:00 16: 644460 s3c-ext0 lis302dl May 13 08:34:00 17: 10 s3c-ext0 modem May 13 08:34:00 30: 3611422 s3c S3C2410 Timer Tick May 13 08:34:02 33: 14 s3c s3c24xx_hcd May 13 08:34:04 35: 721247 s3c I2S PCM Stereo out May 13 08:34:06 37: 197 s3c S3c24xx SDIO host controller May 13 08:34:08 41: 3206282 s3c s3c2410_udc May 13 08:34:10 42: 0 s3c ohci_hcd:usb1 May 13 08:34:12 43: 605740 s3c s3c2440-i2c May 13 08:34:14 48: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 Headphone Jack May 13 08:34:16 50: 4 s3c-ext Neo1973 AUX button May 13 08:34:18 51: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 HOLD button May 13 08:34:20 53: 18160 s3c-ext pcf50633 May 13 08:34:22 60: 625385 s3c-ext lis302dl May 13 08:34:24 70: 2680196 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart May 13 08:34:26 71: 15155 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart May 13 08:34:28 76: 0 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart May 13 08:34:30 77: 20 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart May 13 08:34:32 79: 574 s3c-adc s3c2410_action May 13 08:34:34 80: 107968 s3c-adc s3c2410_action May 13 08:34:36 Err: 0 May 13 08:34:38 I don't recall seeing a dmesg/proc output posted just yet. May 13 08:35:42 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# cat /proc/cpuinfo May 13 08:35:42 Processor: ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) May 13 08:35:42 BogoMIPS: 199.47 May 13 08:35:42 Features: swp half thumb May 13 08:35:42 CPU implementer: 0x41 May 13 08:35:42 CPU architecture: 4T May 13 08:35:44 CPU variant: 0x1 May 13 08:35:46 CPU part: 0x920 May 13 08:35:48 CPU revision: 0 May 13 08:35:50 Cache type: write-back May 13 08:35:52 Cache clean: cp15 c7 ops May 13 08:35:54 Cache lockdown: format A May 13 08:35:56 Cache format: Harvard May 13 08:35:58 I size: 16384 May 13 08:36:00 I assoc: 64 May 13 08:36:02 I line length: 32 May 13 08:36:04 I sets: 8 May 13 08:36:06 D size: 16384 May 13 08:36:08 D assoc: 64 May 13 08:36:10 D line length: 32 May 13 08:36:12 D sets: 8 May 13 08:36:14 Hardware: GTA02 May 13 08:36:16 Revision: 0350 May 13 08:36:18 Serial: 0000000000000000 May 13 08:36:20 :-) May 13 08:36:28 A 64-way associtivity for the instruction/data cache is pretty decent. May 13 08:36:45 associtivity == parallel lookups May 13 08:36:45 what are the current estimates? will trisoft deliver before the end of may? May 13 08:37:12 ecraven: ..? May 13 08:41:02 trisoft is a (the?) german distributor for the freerunner May 13 08:41:20 wohoo May 13 08:43:43 * nab nods May 13 08:43:55 ecraven: Sorry, don't know. :-) May 13 08:45:01 I think the public knowledge is to head into mass-production no later than 16th of May May 13 08:45:41 With the GTA02v6 design May 13 08:49:15 Hrmm May 13 08:49:49 how long will it take from then on? May 13 08:49:54 days? weeks? May 13 08:50:02 * * OM Bug 1391 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net May 13 08:50:03 * * setting WEP key through iwconfig does not work May 13 08:50:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1391 May 13 08:50:09 dwmw2: Same unknown_symbol errors around _spin_lock* May 13 08:50:12 Hmmmmm May 13 08:50:30 ecraven: You have to ask the OpenMoko, Inc folks May 13 08:50:54 nab: did you actually build the kernel? May 13 08:51:02 dwmw2: May 13 08:51:06 why do you have no Module.symvers? May 13 08:51:13 you should have May 13 08:51:16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 202086 2008-05-13 00:59 Module.symvers May 13 08:51:29 didn't it complain that you didn't? May 13 08:51:37 Nope, all looks normal May 13 08:51:41 building build. May 13 08:51:49 and you're running the kernel you built? May 13 08:51:57 No. :-) May 13 08:51:58 check .version with the output of 'uname -a' May 13 08:52:05 that probably won't help. May 13 08:52:08 (I was hoping to be able to use the current stable ;-) May 13 08:52:15 Did that. May 13 08:52:16 you need to configure your kernel to match the one you're running then May 13 08:52:28 And I made sure the compiler versions where in sync May 13 08:52:33 Did that too May 13 08:52:51 From http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary: May 13 08:52:58 and it's exactly the same version from the git tree? May 13 08:53:04 You need to copy ./defconfig-2.6.24 to .config before building May 13 08:53:04 However note the "andy" branch is a mirror of my stgit-based local May 13 08:53:05 tree and the commit history on it is overwritten each update May 13 08:53:14 dwmw2: Actually, that I cannot be sure of. May 13 08:53:19 ew, branches May 13 08:53:24 There is not git hask in /proc/version May 13 08:53:26 and rebasing May 13 08:53:30 ick May 13 08:53:31 s/hask/hash May 13 08:53:42 Actually May 13 08:53:54 Lemme test if in-tree modules load May 13 08:54:05 (from an external kernel build) May 13 08:55:17 fuse: Unknown symbol mutex_lock_nested May 13 08:55:17 fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock May 13 08:55:17 fuse: Unknown symbol __spin_lock_init May 13 08:55:17 fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_lock May 13 08:55:17 fuse: Unknown symbol mutex_destroy May 13 08:55:31 Ok, its definately something with my cross setup May 13 08:55:33 Grrrrr May 13 08:55:57 * nab waits for monotone.openmoko.org repo to start accepting conns again May 13 08:55:59 :-) May 13 08:59:36 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# cat /proc/kallsyms | grep mutex_lock_nested May 13 08:59:36 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# May 13 08:59:39 Hmmm May 13 08:59:46 That is strange May 13 09:00:28 Actually, my v2.6.25 x86 has no mutex_lock_nested either May 13 09:00:33 morning May 13 09:25:23 openmoko: 03thomas * r4427 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libopkg/Makefile.am src/Makefile.am): opkg: remove per-target CFLAGS May 13 09:29:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07rsync-version * r1c6453c68569 10/ (2231 files in 96 dirs): Qtopia version as of 8th to 12th of may May 13 09:29:29 openmoko: 03zecke * r8c5211408f09 10/ (159 files in 51 dirs): Rsync snapshot as of 4th of April 2008 May 13 09:29:44 openmoko: 03zecke * r1c6453c68569 10/ (2231 files in 96 dirs): Qtopia version as of 8th to 12th of may May 13 09:29:50 openmoko: 03zecke * r4c6ae868ef66 10/ (2229 files in 96 dirs): Merge branch 'rsync-version' May 13 09:29:51 openmoko: 03zecke * rf1123175a106 10/src/server/phone/smsstatusdbusexporter.cpp: [sms] Export listMessages as a list of strings in a variant as well May 13 09:31:30 openmoko: 03andy * rb1329e157bfa 10/gta02-dm2/src/tests-gsm.c: improve-gsm-test-feedback.patch May 13 09:31:30 openmoko: 03agreen * r7536f41d4071 10/gta02-dm2/src/dm2.c: fix-lcm1-backlight-level.patch May 13 09:35:08 Hmmm May 13 09:35:20 Ok, I am going to reflash to the latest code May 13 09:35:26 kernel + rootfs May 13 09:36:29 I am going to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+git20080513-r0-om-gta02.bin May 13 09:52:18 openmoko: 03thomas * r4428 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libopkg/Makefile.am src/Makefile.am tests/Makefile.am): opkg: fix distcheck issues May 13 10:03:17 Is there an easy way to emulate GTA02 in QEmu? I've found this: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/README?rev=3614&view=markup but i was just wondering if there was some other / easier way to do it..? May 13 10:05:16 why do you need to emulate a gta02? May 13 10:05:37 Ugh May 13 10:05:44 dwmw2: I think I was using the wrong defconfig May 13 10:06:23 With the diff being CONFIG_DEBUG_* enabled, which would explain the spin_lock unknown symbols May 13 10:06:28 * nab rebuilds May 13 10:08:54 balrog-kun: I wanted to try it before buying it May 13 10:09:36 iSCSI: iscsi_can_queue= 64 May 13 10:09:36 iSCSI: iscsi_cmd_per_lun= 32 May 13 10:09:36 iSCSI: iscsi_sg_tablesize= 32 May 13 10:09:36 iSCSI Core Stack[1] - Spawned 4 thread set(s) (8 total threads). May 13 10:09:39 There we go :-) May 13 10:10:03 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# cat /sys/class/iscsi_initiator_core/version_info May 13 10:10:03 Core-iSCSI Initiator Stack v1.6.2.10 on Linux/armv4tl on 2.6.24 May 13 10:12:05 Thanatos|DK: well, what you can try in the emulator is only the system May 13 10:12:17 and the system doesn't differ between gta01 and gta02 May 13 10:12:26 it's the same openmoko, just different hardware May 13 10:16:29 Core-iSCSI Initiator Stack v1.6.2.10 on Linux/armv4tl on 2.6.24 May 13 10:16:29 iSCSI InitiatorName: iqn.2003-01.org.linux-iscsi.om-gta02.armv4tl:sn.abf236242cd7 May 13 10:16:29 Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 13 01:34:17 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown May 13 10:16:29 21:45:46 up 30 min, 1 user, load average: 2.58, 2.40, 2.00 May 13 10:16:36 Ok, getting close to some testing. :-) May 13 10:22:46 Oh ok balrog-kun.. Thx for the help :) May 13 10:36:21 Woooop May 13 10:36:34 root@om-gta02:/media/card/core-iscsi# cat /proc/scsi/scsi May 13 10:36:34 Attached devices: May 13 10:36:34 Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 May 13 10:36:34 Vendor: LIO-ORG Model: FILEIO Rev: v2.9 May 13 10:36:34 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 May 13 10:37:03 Ok, iSCSI LUN access is up and running over GPRS connected to a PS3-Linux LIO-Target running v2.6.25 May 13 10:40:21 * nab does some WAN tuning May 13 10:49:10 /dev/sda 1.9G 604.8M 1.2G 32% /media/sda May 13 10:49:13 Ok folks May 13 10:49:25 We have an OpenMoko/iSCSI mounted filesystem over WAN May 13 10:49:56 Lets see if mp3s will play with media-player May 13 10:53:38 Nope, no audio playback.. May 13 10:53:59 I imagine that the pre-buffer needs to be turned up for the slow GPRS link May 13 10:54:48 Time to try over the Wifi May 13 11:01:34 hi i couldn't enter DFU mode May 13 11:01:45 how can i enter DFU MODE? May 13 11:03:04 Hold down POWER and AUX on the device from power-off May 13 11:03:16 And you will enter u-boot console May 13 11:05:53 i use dfu-util -l , show : Found Runtime May 13 11:06:09 i want to enter DFU mode May 13 11:06:17 i want to flash kernel May 13 11:07:43 You need to enter dfu mode on the device before doing the device scan with dfu-util May 13 11:09:32 yes, but i had try 5 times ,but could't enter dfu May 13 11:10:00 i have connect to it by neocon May 13 11:10:35 Hmmmm May 13 11:10:54 that is mean i have enter dfu, but i use dfu-util scan it , he tell Found Runtime May 13 11:12:39 I'm trying a new built Magician image .. it doesn't work as hoped May 13 11:14:48 liwei: Is the device booting normally (eg: do you have a working u-boot setup..? May 13 11:14:53 it boots to touchscreen calibration if I remove the zImage symlink from /root - can you give me any hints what could be the problem May 13 11:15:19 I boot from Win2003SE using hret May 13 11:17:37 if I don't remove the zImage symbolic link (which only points to the zImage if I'm not mistaken) the device stops with a blinking cursor after displaying /usr/sbin/kexec -f ... May 13 11:42:00 Ok, a 2 GB ext3 mount is stable over iSCSI/WIfi May 13 11:42:22 I am able to use media-player to playback mp3s, and everything looks good. May 13 11:42:46 I will be posting the builds on Linux-iSCSI.org, and posting to the openmoko lists May 13 11:43:24 But the transport on both Wifi/GPRS is looking good May 13 11:43:50 No stability issues wrt iSCSI nexus dropping due to TCP connection failures, etc. May 13 12:07:20 http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OpenMoko_Freerunner May 13 12:07:22 :-) May 13 12:19:02 * * OM Bug 1392 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net May 13 12:19:03 * * ar6000: switching wifi modes does not work May 13 12:19:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 May 13 12:23:54 gat02 have two flash , a 256M nand flash and a 16M nor flash May 13 12:24:49 i wonder to know , how to write uboot to nor flash May 13 12:27:25 use a debugboard. May 13 12:28:40 there's an explanation on the mailing list May 13 12:29:46 i think so ,but i havn't find any info about writing nor flash from wiki May 13 12:33:36 liwei the only difference in writing to nor on gta02 to any other platform is, that the WP line is mapped only onto the debugboard and usually locked by resistors May 13 12:33:50 means you need a debugboard to write nor. May 13 12:34:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rf20addb60e80 10/ophoned/ (6 files in 2 dirs): May 13 12:34:18 freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: After massive refactoring, org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo() works May 13 12:34:18 freesmartphone.org: again *phew* ;) May 13 12:34:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0f4d5c704130 10/ophoned/ (gsm/channel.py gsm/mediator.py gsm/unsol.py objects2.py): May 13 12:34:23 freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: refactor keepalive channel, add delegate object for unsolicited messages, always May 13 12:34:26 freesmartphone.org: allocate three virtuall channels from MUXer May 13 12:36:05 ok, i understand a little, but debugboard can write nand flash right? May 13 12:37:13 how to control the debugboard write nor or nand flash? May 13 12:37:41 liwei the debugboard is a serial and a jtag port May 13 12:37:46 so it can access any hardware May 13 12:37:54 take a look at this http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/norwp/ May 13 12:38:06 thats used on the host to unprotect the nor. May 13 12:38:27 then you can also use regular mtd tools on a running linux on the moko to write the nor. May 13 12:40:57 Ok folks May 13 12:40:59 http://linux-iscsi.org/builds/openmoko/freerunner/core-iscsi/ May 13 12:41:10 The 1st iSCSI Initiator builds for GTA02 are up May 13 12:41:23 thank for roh helping , i want to write uboot to nor and nand flash , could you give me a link that tell me how to deal with May 13 12:41:30 I am going to be posting a node to the community lists later today. :P May 13 12:49:30 nab, nice :D May 13 12:50:35 taxonomy question May 13 12:50:55 org.freesmartphone.SIM.NotRegistered vs. org.freesmartphone.SIM.Blocked May 13 12:50:57 ? May 13 12:51:15 do you agree blocked is more clear? May 13 12:51:46 notregistered (which actually means the w/ the provider) may be confused with not being registered to the network May 13 12:51:46 yeah May 13 12:54:51 spydon: I just added the first screenshot May 13 12:55:07 http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Image:Moko-LIO-audio.png May 13 12:55:43 nab, awesum ^^ May 13 12:55:44 how to buy FreeRunner? and how many is it? May 13 12:55:56 spydon: :-) May 13 12:56:28 and how to build FreeRunner development environment? May 13 12:57:40 BSCH: Search for MotoMakefile on wiki.openmoko.org May 13 12:57:55 It will download and build everything May 13 12:58:14 nab, thanks May 13 12:58:17 There is also a wiki entry along the lines of "How to build OpenMoko environment from scratch" May 13 12:58:38 But MotoMakefile is what most folks use I think. May 13 12:59:27 :) May 13 13:05:16 nab and BSCH: I just wanted to point out that it is MokoMakefile (not Moto) May 13 13:13:17 there is only one dev in dfu-util --list , how to use dfu-util to update kernel or rootfs May 13 13:13:30 tomjoad: whoops, thanks May 13 13:13:31 :-) May 13 13:14:16 i couldn't find other interfaces May 13 13:14:56 only one interfaces like this : Found DFU Runtime May 13 13:15:58 anyone use dfu-util update file like i meet problem May 13 13:17:35 liwei: use -a kernel or -a rootfs May 13 13:17:50 it will reset the usb interface and then it will find all the interfaces May 13 13:18:26 ok,i will try it May 13 13:18:36 thank you very much May 13 14:48:46 oops May 13 15:05:32 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r678fe7d4ae27 10/libfreesmartphone/freesmartphone-call.c: Don't destroy the hashtable as that leads to problems May 13 15:05:33 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r196101554c2a 10/autogen.sh: Remove --force option from autoreconf, so it does not change INSTALL file with different autotool versions May 13 15:05:33 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * rd5b8abde5395 10/test/pyfreesmartphonecommon.pxi: Include dbus error name in error string May 13 15:05:34 freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * rc957872f9a09 10/test/ (libfsointerface.py pyfreesmartphonesim.pxi): May 13 15:05:37 freesmartphone.org: Fix CallStatus signal with libfsointerface May 13 15:05:39 freesmartphone.org: Add SIM interface AuthStatus signals, so that test init works with libfsointerface May 13 16:23:48 so May 13 16:31:45 รถ May 13 16:34:52 whats the point to boot the phone with different logic circuit? May 13 16:35:40 so, yeah, freerunner is nowhere near as thick as I thought it would be May 13 16:35:53 5Flin: emergencies May 13 16:35:59 pretty light too May 13 16:36:01 linuxxr: you screwed up uboot somehow May 13 16:36:34 anybody familiar with medatrix boxes? May 13 16:37:00 nezza-_-: SIP gateways? I know a few people in #asterisk use them May 13 16:37:23 SpeedEvil: Ahaa May 13 16:40:26 But i guess there's no difference between nand and nor, when you boot in? May 13 16:40:51 You can't change the NOR without a debug board. May 13 16:41:17 You mean hardware? May 13 16:41:22 yes May 13 16:41:40 But you can boot in, if you press aux and power simultaneous May 13 16:41:46 ly May 13 16:42:25 In nor May 13 16:42:58 you can't change it though - it means that you can't brick the neo. May 13 16:43:08 (without serious work) May 13 16:43:41 AFAIK you can program the nor from inside linux May 13 16:44:05 It was at one point stated that it was impossible to program without the debug board. May 13 16:44:11 Maybe this has changed. May 13 16:44:19 Which would be unfortunate. May 13 16:44:30 Can someone point me towards a GTA02 u-boot env listing? May 13 16:44:48 SpeedEvil: well it means you have to be stupid squared to flash both NAND and nor to non-working in one operation May 13 16:45:02 XorA: true. May 13 16:45:08 bricode: look for devirginator in OM svn May 13 16:45:19 XorA: it would be nice to make it actually unbrickable, for users though. May 13 16:45:28 XorA: Thanks. May 13 16:46:47 SpeedEvil: ./trunk/src/host/devirginator/flashnor May 13 16:46:51 k May 13 16:47:29 SpeedEvil: nor is hidden within u-boot but shows up in kernel May 13 16:48:41 XorA: I don't need to redo u-boot, just the env variables... May 13 16:50:30 bricode: then look at u-boot.in May 13 16:50:54 How come the theme on an emulated phone (in QEmu) doesn't look anything like the one on the wiki (Look & Feel: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Look_&_Feel )? Do I have to select the theme somewhere? May 13 16:51:32 SorenHK: NOTE: This Look & Feel is describing the old deprecated 2007.1 version! May 13 16:52:20 XorA: Perfect. Thanks. May 13 16:52:55 But it's just... the theme on the emulated phone looks a lot worse (in my opinion).. It would make no sense if they would just trash a design that's a lot better May 13 16:53:22 SorenHK: to render a 10 page pdf was quicker than drawing that theme with 200Mhz cpu May 13 16:53:43 SorenHK: i kind of agree, although it's a matter of preference May 13 16:53:53 many people liek the current one colour theme May 13 16:54:09 plus it was decided that it was too slow for Gtk May 13 16:54:16 hmm ok :/ May 13 16:54:19 thx for the answer May 13 16:54:27 the new theme looks different again :-) May 13 16:54:34 which i think is a gtk deficiency May 13 16:55:57 damn that youtube preview is great May 13 16:56:12 and someone should fix gtk if that's the case rather than kill the theme May 13 17:43:41 Hello? May 13 17:43:48 hi May 13 17:44:00 Openmoko has like more than just calling numbers right? May 13 17:44:10 Nice and usefull menus with usefull apps? May 13 17:44:27 No. May 13 17:44:31 Not yet really. May 13 17:44:48 Does it do more then just call and sms out-of-the-box? May 13 17:45:31 out the the factory no, thats pretty much all May 13 17:45:41 but you can install what you like from the feeds May 13 17:46:13 Is this easy? Im trying to get people in on a groupsale and they are wondering if this is a phone for normal people? May 13 17:46:31 data_jepp: its not yet for normals May 13 17:46:57 you can install anything just like on your linux pc May 13 17:47:17 Right, but then it should work for advanced end-user who knows what it says to upgrade the firmware? May 13 17:47:25 yes May 13 17:47:39 The software made for the first modell, is that compatible with Freerunner? May 13 17:47:41 probably still a few kinks to iron, but it should work as a basic phone May 13 17:47:50 data_jepp: 99% yers May 13 17:48:00 -r May 13 17:48:13 1% is power management which makes the phone last about 6 hours :) May 13 17:48:26 gta02 improves battery life a lot May 13 17:48:42 Nice :D May 13 17:48:56 but I havent done proper tests, I just know it lasts longer than my gta01 devices May 13 17:49:12 and I havent got a final phone either, still beta hardware May 13 17:50:28 Nice, i just got involved. May 13 17:51:01 I love linux, and i love spending time reading up on stuff and coding myself. May 13 17:52:25 Production was set to start this week yea? May 13 17:57:31 that seems to be the word on the street May 13 18:00:20 Hehe =) Will see, not that its so important. As long as they take there time and dont rush anything. May 13 18:05:11 excuse my ignorance: will it be possible to do calls and sms out of the box with the gta02 that comes out this week? May 13 18:06:27 XorA: What you mean? I thought Freerunner would be for basic end-users May 13 18:06:36 we don't know when it comes out, it's supposed to start mass production this week May 13 18:06:39 emilis_info, Firstly, the Freerunner isn't coming out this week. It begins mass production this week. IT will still be a little while before they're actually on sale. May 13 18:06:41 that's different from being released May 13 18:07:07 Lintus: the software isn't ready for end-users yet May 13 18:07:19 emilis_info, But the likely answer is no, you'll have to flash an image to the device. It's an easy process, but from there, yeah, you should be able to make calls and send messages if the Freerunner's software is like the Neo's May 13 18:07:34 hmm May 13 18:07:39 kdean06: they're not packaging the most recent image to it? May 13 18:08:01 I understand the release/mass production thing May 13 18:08:42 but the stuff with flashing images confuses me May 13 18:09:06 I gues I'm too n00bish for that :) May 13 18:09:07 the software on the device should be able to phone and sms, but nothing else May 13 18:09:40 flashing is easy May 13 18:09:47 plug in cable, run one command May 13 18:10:43 But you can surely install programs. May 13 18:10:52 Lintus: yes May 13 18:11:15 emdete, It's easy and well documented on the Wiki. Basically, you plug the phone into the USB cable and put the other end into your PC. You download two files from the internet to your PC and then run a command that send the files to the device. Then you reboot. Once you've got the device, someone in here can easily point you to the files you'd need. May 13 18:11:26 Sorry, emilis_info ^^ May 13 18:11:31 :) May 13 18:11:37 I wonder where people get those programs? May 13 18:11:46 openmoko feeds May 13 18:11:49 hmm ok May 13 18:11:53 or compile them yourself May 13 18:12:03 so, calls and sms will be working May 13 18:12:19 XorA, So it is shipping with an installed image? May 13 18:12:29 kdean06: AFAIK May 13 18:12:30 Yes, its like the most basic. Ill sell my dick if it doesnt have phone and sms. May 13 18:12:32 Hrm.. May 13 18:12:33 Okay. May 13 18:12:40 and the software will be available from feeds... is it something like `apt-get install ...`? :) May 13 18:12:44 I'm assuming that the developer version of Freerunner was like the Neo. May 13 18:12:53 opkg install package. :) May 13 18:13:01 data_jepp: if for some reason it doesnt, you can install an image in ten secs that does May 13 18:13:04 There's a little GUI for it too. :) May 13 18:13:21 Then wont have to sell my privates on ebay. Good. May 13 18:13:27 data_jepp: great idea :D May 13 18:13:28 Kinky, this phone rocks. Lets face it. May 13 18:13:32 :) May 13 18:13:52 That's a deal May 13 18:14:56 Has anyone tested a Freerunner with an actual voice call (i.e. to a "normal" person)? Is the audio quality (buzz, echo, etc.) better than on GTA01? May 13 18:18:49 so... I think OM's next task is to get good GSM coverage across the entire US May 13 18:18:51 :) May 13 18:21:14 summatusmentis: yeah at 900/1800 like sensible countries :-) May 13 18:21:47 XorA: that's fine by me, just make it happen. I can't justify buying a FreeRunner, because there's no GSM coverage(or crappy GSM coverage) where I need some May 13 18:22:33 I've got no problem with my Neo. :P May 13 18:22:36 although, I'm considering selling my Z to justify a FreeRunner, to support these efforts, you knwo? May 13 18:22:56 * XorA needs to sell his Z to pay for eeePC still May 13 18:23:32 I want a PDA/phone, and my Z doesn't cover that May 13 18:23:46 XorA: sell your Z for an eeePC? really? Z does everything that should, right? May 13 18:23:59 summatusmentis: 1 gig of ram is nice May 13 18:24:07 oh, that's true May 13 18:24:12 summatusmentis: and 8 G of internal flash May 13 18:24:31 and no futzing around with angstrom :-) May 13 18:24:50 well, Angstrom, yes :). my 3200 has 6G HD May 13 18:24:53 that's close... May 13 18:25:02 summatusmentis: its a 3200 I need to sell May 13 18:25:24 I also have an n810 to take care of May 13 18:25:28 the extra 2G matters that much to you? May 13 18:25:55 summatusmentis: the flash not so much, I got 8G SDHC cards anyway, but I need the ram May 13 18:26:06 and cpu power May 13 18:26:43 RAM and CPU make sense to me. I guess I as considering storage space May 13 18:27:54 whats a Z? May 13 18:29:34 Blastur: Zaurus May 13 18:29:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaurus May 13 18:31:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfdea8427c8e0 10/ophoned/ (6 files in 2 dirs): python-ophoned: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower() done. May 13 18:32:43 oh May 13 18:33:06 ideally, i'd like something like a EEE 900 with 3G connectivity May 13 18:36:23 Im waiting for the atom based 900 before upgrading May 13 18:46:52 * SpeedEvil passes Blastur assorted webpages showing how to mod that in. May 13 20:36:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8a2716b5d1d1 10/ophoned/ (14 files in 3 dirs): python-ophoned: remove old gsm implementation May 13 20:38:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r38ff9d9eb78e 10/ophoned/modem.py: python-ophoned: remove modem.py May 13 21:25:58 Hello all! I guess Freerunner hasn't made it to production yet? May 13 21:26:23 My wife just dropped her phone in the bath rub. :( Possibly destroyed it. I'm hoping Freerunner comes out soon enough that it can be my next phone and I will give her my current phone. May 13 21:26:28 bath tub May 13 21:27:04 bye her an iphone May 13 21:27:48 She doesn't want a fancy smart phone. I do! :) And I don't want a proprietary iphone. I want something open and hackable. I want to sync my phone data with wifi automatically to my own server so I never have to lose another phone number. May 13 21:28:00 That is the biggest feature I have been wanting from a phone for years. May 13 21:28:50 hm and you give than your old phone? May 13 21:28:56 +her May 13 21:29:44 tessier_, That's pretty easy. :) You could set up a cron job to do that for you. :) The contacts are stored like Evolution data. :D May 13 21:29:57 And no, it's not yet hit mass production. It begins this week. May 13 21:30:04 kdean06: I know. That's why I'm really looking forward to it. May 13 21:31:20 kdean06: How long after mass production would it be available for order? May 13 21:31:27 woglinde: Yes. I would give her my Treo May 13 21:31:42 I don't know. Steve is being elusive with that answer. :) May 13 21:32:21 I'm not even sure enough to guess "a few weeks" or "a month" or anything like that. May 13 21:32:42 I see. I guess I can't plan on it being my next phone then. May 13 21:33:53 Buy a cheapola one from eBay to tide you over. :D May 13 21:34:23 my phone died last week, i just got one of the t-mo prepaids and put my sim in May 13 21:34:29 It's probably not a bad idea anyway... Just because it's out doesn't mean it'll be reliable enough to trust to call for an ambulance in an emergency. :P May 13 21:34:30 hoping it lasts May 13 21:42:21 kdean06: Neither is my Treo. I can live with that. May 14 00:23:19 tip: clicking randomly in the dialer is a bad idea May 14 00:44:55 what is the ssh root password? May 14 00:49:11 broedge: "banana" should work May 14 00:57:16 the angstroms set a root passwd ... or should i read the usb-networking wiki some better May 14 00:57:27 wt May 14 00:57:31 f May 14 00:57:51 cannot ssh in May 14 00:57:57 hmm May 14 00:58:08 no password May 14 00:58:13 na May 14 00:58:20 well not on OM May 14 00:58:20 enter does not qwork May 14 00:58:34 root@192.168.0.202 May 14 00:58:50 works here May 14 00:58:52 always has May 14 00:59:00 it is OM... but from the Angstrong... May 14 00:59:05 any password should work, if it doesn't let you in then your ssh is misconfigured on the pc May 14 00:59:08 strom May 14 00:59:32 ahm May 14 00:59:52 Or you've flubbed the network configuration, and you're talking to your own PC, trying to login as root. May 14 00:59:58 i tried it before with the GPE image, and it let me set my own root pass at startuip May 14 01:00:10 pah May 14 01:00:17 i thought angstrom used an empty password May 14 01:00:39 OM uses no password checking at all May 14 01:00:40 but on openmoko, there is no such startup configuration welcome screen May 14 01:00:55 in other words you can change your password to anything without issuing any commands :) May 14 01:01:02 well... altogether i am still talking about my motorola a780 May 14 01:02:11 * mwester wishes when people are running a non-standard image that they would SAY SO when they first pose their question. May 14 01:02:56 tried some images for it today... and this is the... let me see... it is the Openmoko image, just a dialer and a terminal, screenshot app.... May 14 01:03:42 oh...maybe i can set the root in the terminal :} May 14 01:03:51 but surely not May 14 01:05:46 it is nice, it makes a 4 tone sound at starrtup... i wonder if this image supports ipkg or opkg or such for leeching the xmms player... as a first app May 14 01:08:24 sorry , i am so dumb, it really lets me open a root terminal, so i set a pass and here i go May 14 01:09:51 login welcome screen hello Mr noob please set a root pass. Do you want to use the password reminder? :D May 14 01:10:35 it is not my fault, i am a victim of GPE May 14 01:18:28 Qwell: who'd you call? :D May 14 01:18:40 SuN: I...don't know. May 14 01:21:35 oops! May 14 02:52:50 /msg NickServ IDENTIFY voltcraft May 14 02:53:01 lol May 14 02:53:16 change your password now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 14 02:59:57 2008