**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 18 02:59:57 2008 May 18 04:23:53 hello moko May 18 04:25:10 bonjour openmoko May 18 05:11:28 hi May 18 05:11:28 hi May 18 05:12:15 have a problem with make qemu without the build environment May 18 05:13:14 installed the toolchain still this command fails i hope I am not leaving out anything May 18 05:25:43 what's the error? May 18 07:08:16 good morning May 18 07:31:10 Hopscotch, morning May 18 07:41:07 I ran some old floating point benchmark code on a neo1973. The neo is 8 times faster at double precision floating point than a VAX 11/780, May 18 07:41:38 and has roughly the same double precision floating point speed as a first generation SPARCstation. May 18 07:42:09 have you done a comparison between single and double precision on the neo? May 18 07:42:38 tedo: No, I haven't done that comparison. May 18 09:45:12 Tanuva: i got a reply from pulster.de and they said the openmoko will cost about 300-350 euros... so pulster might noch be cheaper than trisoft May 18 09:57:21 tubastian: but at least they dont have a fixed price yet so it might become cheaper May 18 09:58:07 maybe :-) May 18 10:01:56 tubastian: hehe - just found the same (?) mailing in my inbox :D May 18 10:04:41 hmm May 18 10:05:12 pulster has 299 EUR written all around in the FreeRunner page May 18 10:05:43 yes, but in the email they say 300-350 euros May 18 10:05:50 heh May 18 10:06:39 i got this mail after registering: "Das neue Modell heisst "Freerunner" (Versionsnummer GTA02). Es wird vorraussichtlich im Mai lieferbar sein. Der Verkaufspreis wird wohl 300-350 EUR sein. Sobald es real bei uns lieferbar ist, ist es im shop zu finden und dort bestellbar." May 18 10:06:57 yep, thats it May 18 11:23:20 is the timeout between +CRING standardized? May 18 11:28:41 hi, i don't know, if this is right place for this question, but maybe you can guide me somewhere else: what payment options will be to order neo? May 18 11:29:49 I want to know this, because I am organising group order, so there are people depending on my ability to pay May 18 11:31:51 please check the mailing list archives, if it's known at all, then it was mentioned there. May 18 11:32:09 my guess would be all kind of CCs. Paypal was still under discussion last time I heard May 18 11:33:52 ok, thank you May 18 11:51:48 %CPRI only works for outgoing calls? May 18 11:54:02 * mickeyl enjoys talking to 310 silent people :D May 18 11:54:23 * Kamping_Kaiser enjoys you talking to us :P May 18 11:54:38 heh May 18 11:55:13 * mickeyl shrugs and starts implementing org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call (finally) May 18 11:57:06 openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r78b9f3d35143 10/cpu/arm920t/start.S: add-find-wake-reason.patch May 18 11:57:30 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r08cc78eb62fe 10/cpu/arm920t/start.S: add-find-wake-reason.patch May 18 11:58:02 * balrog-kun guesses only harald and sean know what %CPRI works for as it's undocumented May 18 11:58:24 right May 18 11:58:28 * mickeyl goes and reads the spec May 18 12:00:09 ooh May 18 12:00:24 i'm mixing up %CPRI with %CPI May 18 12:00:30 * mickeyl slaps forehead May 18 12:00:51 * spydon slaps mickeyl's forehead too May 18 12:00:56 hehe May 18 12:01:09 %CPI: Call progress information May 18 12:01:20 %CPRI: ciphering indication May 18 12:01:22 yes, i think i noticed it was only for outgoing for me too, but it's still undocumented May 18 12:01:34 maybe it has to be enabled differently May 18 12:01:36 don't we have a wiki page for undocumented commands? May 18 12:02:07 yeah, but the page authors considered these couple of commands documented by the gsmd source i think :) May 18 12:02:27 right May 18 12:02:34 i'd love to add more of that May 18 12:02:36 but i can't :/ May 18 12:02:50 i will add the useful commands to ophoned eventually May 18 12:02:54 oh you have the docs? May 18 12:02:55 then people can go and figure out May 18 12:02:57 yes May 18 12:03:05 Hi! Anyone using Neo1973 + Qtopia + 2.6.24 kernel? May 18 12:03:12 but as you can imagine, i'm under superDNA May 18 12:03:13 heh May 18 12:03:15 superNDA, even May 18 12:03:21 * mickeyl chuckles May 18 12:04:05 it should say somewhere there when %CPI is supposed to work May 18 12:04:39 * mickeyl enables and tries an incoming call May 18 12:05:53 yeah! May 18 12:05:59 works fine May 18 12:06:13 cool, we even get a layer 3 disconnect message May 18 12:06:24 So no news if the first mass production run has finished? May 18 12:06:25 that means i don't have to mess with RING timeouts on the Calypso May 18 12:06:31 only on generic modems May 18 12:08:07 end of june would have been /to/ nice :( May 18 12:18:24 http://rafb.net/p/sXzLtv74.html May 18 12:18:30 output during incoming call May 18 12:22:38 mickeyl, that's nice :) May 18 12:22:46 it's funny that 07.07 itself does not include an unsolicited message that the caller has hung up May 18 12:23:02 no wonder all modem manufacturers add all kinds of additional commands May 18 12:24:56 does anybody know, if it is possible to pay for FreeRunner by Visa Electron credit card? May 18 12:28:26 Its not out yet May 18 12:29:05 yes, i correct the question: if it will be possible ;-) May 18 12:29:37 ohin, is it possible to pay anything over the Internet with electron? :P May 18 12:30:32 Electron is so ugly? : ) May 18 12:31:23 spydon: yes, I made some payments May 18 12:31:44 ohin, I see May 18 12:32:55 I didn't ask, if some people didn't tell me, that there are problems with electron, and not all companies allow charging visa electron May 18 12:33:11 *I wouldn't May 18 12:36:37 Another interesting questions - what about delivery... I got previous device thought Checz Rebublic : ))) May 18 12:39:19 mkrentovskiy: what do you mean? May 18 12:46:54 ohin, there are was some troubles with direct shipment to Russia May 18 12:48:57 hm, and you said you have to order it through Czech Republic? (I am organizing group order for Czech Republic) May 18 12:53:29 ohin, yes. My friend are living there, he transfer device to me. May 18 12:54:02 World is not so big : ))) May 18 12:54:42 :-) May 18 12:56:09 what was the problem, that you was not able to get it right to Russia? May 18 12:56:38 hi! May 18 12:58:55 ohin, AFAIK, there are some limitations from FIC in begining. Latest request, as peoples said, was passed fine. May 18 13:05:25 perhaps it will be ok, now... May 18 13:06:39 so do you think, it will be ok to pay with visa electron? (I need to make sure whether yes or no, and I can't see anything on maillist) May 18 14:46:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0498b9e1580d 10/ophoned/ (8 files in 2 dirs): python-ophoned: start with implementing call handling - POC only for now May 18 14:47:01 * Kamping_Kaiser squirms - i cant wait May 18 14:47:56 * SpeedEvil seals Kamping_Kaiser in a stasis bubble. May 18 14:48:28 * Kamping_Kaiser starts to slow down May 18 15:13:03 Greetings and Salutations May 18 15:13:16 hi mwester May 18 16:11:03 no updates yet ! May 18 16:19:05 * Sup3rkiddo drops a pin May 18 16:19:52 * josch stamps on it May 18 18:53:44 hello folks ! :> May 18 18:54:06 HELLO ccfly! May 18 18:54:07 :D May 18 19:20:48 hello, i read here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html that the FreeRunner will be shipped in near future. Are this devices for end user or only for devolopers? what's the status of the software? May 18 19:22:46 Brot1, the hardware should be solid; the software will be ever-evolving May 18 19:24:20 daMaestro, ok, but could it be used as a alternate device instead nokia, sony ericsson? Does phone calls, sms works? May 18 19:24:56 Brot1, i've been able to make and receive phone calls with the gta01v4 May 18 19:25:04 Brot1, i don't have access to the new hardware May 18 19:25:13 I would like to replace my Sony Ericsson and would like to use the gps to take part in OpenStreetMap May 18 19:25:26 Brot1, you are not a developer? May 18 19:25:30 no May 18 19:25:37 Brot1, how about; do you have the ability to file good bug reports? May 18 19:26:54 I would try to file good bug reports if I will have problems, but the basic functions should work before I would buy this device May 18 19:27:26 Brot1, i expect there will be an "official" release for the rootfs and kernel when the device starts being shipped May 18 19:27:45 Brot1, however, basic functionality might break at any point in time May 18 19:27:54 Brot1, it just depends what software you are running on the device May 18 19:28:07 Brot1, for example; qtopia runs on the hardware May 18 19:28:07 daMaestro, ok I see what you mean May 18 19:28:49 i wouldnt recommend it if you do not want to invest some time to get things work May 18 19:29:17 yes, part of the lure of this device is you "get to" work on it May 18 19:29:18 lol May 18 19:29:39 i do expect, however, that the gta02 will have much more of "support" to make basic things work regularly May 18 19:31:14 i'm expecting to be able to replace my blackberry pearl with the gta02 May 18 19:31:26 but i also expect it is going to take me some work to get what i need working, working May 18 19:31:27 I don' fear some time I have to invest. But I would like to start with this device and with the software when basic things work reasonably stable May 18 19:31:46 i've not loaded a recent image in about a month May 18 19:31:57 josch, do you know what the current status looks like? May 18 19:32:12 last i checked gsmd was doing pretty well May 18 19:32:20 daMaestro, no sry i'm more into debian on the device ^^ May 18 19:32:32 daMaestro, this is the reason pygsmd was started May 18 19:32:51 (which is what you need working well with the software to make it interact with gsm networks) May 18 19:32:56 johang, pygsmd++ May 18 19:33:09 johang, /me is pretty much doing nothing but python development anymore May 18 19:33:31 hmm sorryu johang May 18 19:33:35 josch, ^ May 18 19:34:01 josch, are there any documents on how to do the python bindings? May 18 19:34:13 josch, or is it a complete native rewrite? (which would be boooo) May 18 19:35:03 daMaestro, all pygsmd does is interfacing the serial modem port and supplying a dbus api for your apps May 18 19:35:09 dbus is the way to go May 18 19:35:24 oh, cool May 18 19:35:28 ask emdete about all this stuff May 18 19:35:34 mickey|dinner, is also into it May 18 19:35:49 i've been ignoring this channel for a while; waiting for the new hardware May 18 19:36:07 the sound system on gta01v4 is super busted for me (might even just be my hardware) May 18 19:36:52 i think i might even still have qtopia loaded on my device May 18 19:37:09 i'll be using the gta01v4 as an sms interface for http://droutes.org May 18 19:37:15 should be hot May 18 19:38:25 * daMaestro just really hopes he can get the hardware before ~june 12th May 18 19:38:37 that way i can play around with it and bring it to FUDCon with me May 18 19:38:46 recruit some more developers May 18 19:47:40 * daMaestro wants to do something cool with neo1973.mobi May 18 19:48:26 porn site? May 18 19:48:46 \o/ May 18 19:48:54 any of the things in category:servers May 18 19:48:55 ? May 18 19:49:39 SpeedEvil, no.. but something better then just a redirect to the wiki May 18 20:16:11 sound system is busted????? May 18 21:18:58 mp3! mp3! May 18 21:19:00 oops May 18 21:22:46 ogg! ogg! May 18 21:24:04 ...flac May 18 21:24:16 * SpeedEvil wavs. May 18 21:58:53 3gp! 3gp! May 18 22:08:33 fuck me May 18 22:08:38 no! May 18 22:09:18 useless fucking KPN May 18 22:15:13 whar? May 18 22:15:15 -r+t May 18 23:42:28 i hope those quakes stay away from the manufacturing plant May 19 02:18:11 hi ,anyone know how to install openmoko-keyboard? May 19 02:18:42 i execute opkg install openmoko-keboard, return error 4 May 19 02:20:29 i think the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards has invalid May 19 02:20:50 who can help me a little May 19 02:21:31 I have successfully installed the keyboard using the wiki instructions, but I last did it over 1 month ago. May 19 02:24:21 i cann't believe it , use opkg? May 19 02:24:48 To get rid of the multitap keyboard, and install the older full keyboard with requires a stylus, I executed the following 5 commands: May 19 02:25:06 opkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad May 19 02:25:23 opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod May 19 02:25:43 opkg install matchbox-keyboard-im May 19 02:25:58 opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet May 19 02:26:14 opkg install openmoko-keyboard May 19 02:26:36 Those five opkg commands were all I needed. May 19 02:27:16 i can execute the first command,and successful May 19 02:27:25 but fail on second command May 19 02:27:53 liwei: Are you sure your phone is in contact with nameservers and has functional internet access? May 19 02:28:45 yes May 19 02:29:01 i can install other pkg like python May 19 02:29:56 i found opkg to download pkg from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ May 19 02:30:22 but browser it ,but i couldn't find matchbox-keyboard May 19 02:31:30 liwei: If you try to install a package that doesn't exist (for example, if you use a gibberish name), do you get the same error from opkg that you get when you try to install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod ? May 19 02:33:58 so ,i think opkg cann't install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod successfully, May 19 02:35:05 do i need change /dev/ipkt/armv4t-feed.conf ? May 19 02:35:30 liwei: I think opkg is not finding the package. May 19 02:35:58 anyone who can test opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod? May 19 02:36:13 For example, if I execute "opkg install uh_clem" I get error 4 too. May 19 02:36:54 yes,because there is no uh_clem pkg in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ May 19 02:37:06 package uh_clem no doubt does not exist. So I think your problem is not a matter of opgk not being able to install something, it's a problem of opkg not finding something. May 19 02:37:23 opkg only install pkg in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ May 19 02:37:37 opkg 's configure in /dev/ipkg/*.conf May 19 02:37:44 What do you have in the file /etc/opkg/base-feed.conf ? May 19 02:38:36 i have all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf May 19 02:38:36 arch.conf neo1973-feed.conf May 19 02:38:59 Liwei: Have you ever executed the command "opkg update" ? May 19 02:39:22 i do May 19 02:42:40 i think if matchox-keyboard-inputmeod doesn't exist in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ , then opkg cann't install it May 19 02:44:25 liwei, does you /etc/opkg/base-feed.conf contain the entries listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ipkg? May 19 02:47:20 i try it May 19 02:48:24 i haven't base-feed.conf ,i creat it now,thank you very much,if i have some question ,may i ask you? May 19 02:48:50 Of course. But I'm not an expert. May 19 02:59:13 hi rtm, thank you very much , i have install three pkg, but couldn't install openmoko-keyboard **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 19 02:59:57 2008