**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 28 02:59:57 2008 May 28 03:43:01 * * OM Bug 1430 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com May 28 03:43:02 * * diversity-nav has been already installed but packagekit will report that available May 28 03:43:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 May 28 04:25:13 good morning May 28 05:02:01 hello May 28 05:02:14 i quit using my openmoko some time back May 28 05:02:51 have there been significant advances regarding its battery life? May 28 05:02:55 Not yet May 28 05:02:58 On the horizon May 28 05:04:14 i find it's short life intolerable May 28 05:04:23 even for the hobiest stuff i wanted to do May 28 05:04:37 Suspend now mostly works May 28 05:04:44 for most people. May 28 05:05:20 thats good May 28 05:06:33 orzo: what did you switch to? May 28 05:06:50 my old phone May 28 05:06:56 ah ok May 28 05:07:01 and i just dont code May 28 05:07:31 i wrote an mp3 player ap for openmoko soem time ago May 28 05:07:40 which probably doesnt build against current May 28 05:09:10 gah, stupid iphone 3G May 28 05:09:16 i dont know about other people, but i'd prefer they focused on core stuff like battery and teh bluetooth and gps support and never minded gui stuff May 28 05:09:36 most of us can write gui May 28 05:09:50 orzo, battery life++ # important, very May 28 05:10:24 the interface will write itself as far as the company should be concerned May 28 05:10:43 in other words, there'll be plenty of volunteer interface writers May 28 05:10:59 but only those insiders can really do the low level stuff May 28 05:11:01 * daMaestro hopes all the apple fanboys run out to spend XYZ extra dollars on the 3G iphone, extend their contracts and find out that the networks can't even run that fast May 28 05:12:20 * daMaestro also hopes that the sales from the freerunner are great enough to convince fic to fund building an open 3-4g phone May 28 05:13:00 SpeedEvil, do you know if the asu will run on the gta01? May 28 05:13:58 yes, there is an image for it May 28 05:14:11 link? May 28 05:14:11 It will -- eventually it will even run nicely. Although it will probably take the community to spearhead the effort to make it run nicely. May 28 05:16:23 * rwhitby can't get his gta02 to boot today :-( May 28 05:16:44 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ are for the gta01 only May 28 05:16:44 daMaestro: I'm pretty sure that the URL was posted here earlier; check the backlog May 28 05:17:06 (and yes, i know i can convert the rootfs image) May 28 05:17:18 rwhitby: you broke *another* one? ;-) May 28 05:17:24 never got those to work.....but i also loaded the wrong kernel May 28 05:17:40 i'm not getting a gta02 May 28 05:17:49 and probably not a freerunner May 28 05:17:55 Waiting for the 03 then? May 28 05:18:26 i am, just to fund the development May 28 05:18:31 orzo: gta02 === freerunner May 28 05:18:39 i figured May 28 05:19:06 but im not gona buy anything else until my gta01 becomes usable by my standards May 28 05:19:34 It's getting closer. May 28 05:19:41 thx to mwester May 28 05:19:50 * mwester only did a little of the work May 28 05:20:00 what work did you do, mwester? May 28 05:20:20 I've been hacking on suspend/resume issues. May 28 05:20:35 did you do anything with respect to suspend mode or battery life? May 28 05:20:35 mwester is the kernel guru, in some areas better than the openmoko staff May 28 05:20:39 http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080520-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary why is that .summary? May 28 05:21:21 daMaestro: jffs2 has an optional feature of that name; it's supposed to make it faster. May 28 05:21:23 well, then, thanks much for your efforts May 28 05:22:38 np. I'm driven by enlightened self-interest, as I too must demonstrate a working GTA01 to justify my "hobby" expenditures :-) May 28 05:23:57 and is there a "recommended" kernel for use with that rootfs image and the gta01v4? May 28 05:24:18 * rwhitby tries to work out how to get bluetooth dund running on openmoko, such that a Treo650 can connect to it ... May 28 05:24:41 bloody bluez people changed everything from v2 to v3, and nothing works any more. May 28 05:25:41 bedboi: try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 May 28 05:25:49 ^^^ from the backlog for the channel May 28 05:26:58 hot. May 28 05:27:19 daMaestro: any recent kernel should work, except for suspend/resume (that isn't working quite so well on the ASU image just yet). May 28 05:28:07 uImage-2.6.24+git20080507-r0-om-gta01.bin is what i was going to try May 28 05:28:08 i have an asus wlhdd that i want to make into a debian wifi router May 28 05:28:11 But the kernel at http://moko.mwester.net/ might be marginally better wrt suspend/resume than the stock kernel. May 28 05:31:12 mwester, testing http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+git20080507-r0-om-gta01.bin now May 28 05:37:11 mwester: ever look at kexec for hot swapping the running kernel? Is that solution portable to openmoko? May 28 05:39:23 will amarok run on openmoko? May 28 05:42:09 hm May 28 05:44:12 mwebster, do you have a day job? May 28 05:46:59 tomahasamoot: theoretically it's possible, but probably not as amarok depends on a huge load of various KDE libraries. exaile would probably be easier, but still quite a bit of work May 28 05:47:50 is there a running media player at the moment? May 28 05:48:18 tomahasamoot, yes May 28 05:49:49 orzo: kexec support should be in the kernel, and the user-space kexec utilities should be installable using opkg. May 28 05:49:52 hmm it seems all the textures are not correct with that rootfs mwester May 28 05:50:10 oh cool May 28 05:50:22 i didnt know it was available on teh arm platform at all May 28 05:50:23 daMaestro: Yeah, that seems to make it bit difficult to use. May 28 05:51:11 orzo_: it's actually very useful on ARM; it lets one use a minimal but functional kernel in the flash that can kexec a kernel from storage (such as the SD card) when your bootloader can't do it. May 28 05:51:35 i want to use it on mips May 28 05:51:42 On the GTA02, there's wireless -- so one could boot from internal flash, then kexec a kernel from the wireless network -- great for development May 28 05:51:44 what media player is running May 28 05:52:17 do you have a gta02? May 28 05:52:25 Yes. May 28 05:52:48 did you pay for all your openmoko phones? May 28 05:53:07 In one form or another ;) May 28 05:55:19 lol enlightenment crashed on me May 28 05:55:21 does gta02 have a better battery life? May 28 05:56:00 daMaestro: there have been many commits to the asu branch in the past day or so, I hope that the quality gets better quickly. I went back to the gtk-based rootfs as it was working better for me. May 28 05:56:29 mwester, the new interface is slick May 28 05:56:30 perid May 28 05:56:33 period. May 28 05:56:40 orzo_: I can't say; it should be, but there are more cool things to consume battery power on the 02. May 28 05:57:12 I love the boot screen... :D May 28 05:57:17 it's just more polished; i enjoy it as i've not had time to write applications (nor has the platform been stable enough for me to want to, yet) May 28 05:57:33 * daMaestro hopes the python stack is decent May 28 05:57:43 i've been pretty much only coding in python as of late May 28 05:58:02 daMaestro: how did u get it to crash? May 28 05:58:04 It's the same core OS and libraries, so it's the same python as we've had all along. May 28 05:58:16 raster: are those your boots? May 28 05:58:20 no May 28 05:58:23 nothign to do with me May 28 05:58:24 raster, as best as i could tell... i tried to adjust the brightness? May 28 05:58:45 raster, i touched the ying/yang looking sun May 28 05:58:46 daMaestro: eh? there is no brightness control May 28 05:59:05 * daMaestro attempts to reproduce May 28 05:59:16 where is the brightness control May 28 05:59:20 and what ying-yang? May 28 05:59:20 yup.. managed the same thing May 28 05:59:21 :) May 28 05:59:28 i dunno what it is May 28 05:59:49 Qtopia thing? May 28 05:59:50 the top drop down menu (which is sexy, btw) May 28 06:00:03 i have two icons on the right, one for usb and one for something else May 28 06:00:11 ooh May 28 06:00:13 little e icon May 28 06:00:26 yeah, maybe that is what it is May 28 06:00:33 that shoulds have brought up ew's main menu May 28 06:00:35 thats goign to go May 28 06:00:40 when i have finished fiddling May 28 06:00:48 its basically a debug gadget May 28 06:00:50 the entire screen is black and white; no backgrounds, etc May 28 06:01:03 no icons May 28 06:02:00 are there supposed to be icons? May 28 06:02:02 ;-) May 28 06:02:41 ;) it's like that rock-band's ship in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy -- they are lit up black, on a black background. May 28 06:02:46 what's asu stand for May 28 06:02:55 April Software Update May 28 06:04:05 you mentioned a gtk root system, is it nto going to use gtk for the gui in future versions? May 28 06:04:11 daMaestro: there are in latest builds May 28 06:04:25 raster, are there rootfs builds for the gta01? May 28 06:04:29 orzo_: gtk is included, but no gtk apps May 28 06:04:38 daMaestro: i think XorA has done some May 28 06:04:45 but i dont even know where my gta01 is.. May 28 06:04:48 so dont look at me May 28 06:04:55 orzo_, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017504.html May 28 06:04:59 orzo_: I should have said "gtk-only" -- the ASU builds will support both gtk and qtopia (and enlightenment?) May 28 06:05:49 XorA|gone, i'll catch up with you tomorrow re:gta01v4 asu builds May 28 06:05:57 raster: are there python bindings for enlightenment? May 28 06:06:05 unless the build system/make files have improved? May 28 06:06:22 if that is the case, i can just fire up a build bot and start building my own images (again) May 28 06:06:27 mwester: python bindings for efl. May 28 06:06:38 daMaestro: monotone has been replaced by git -- that's a huge speedup! May 28 06:06:45 holy fsking moly May 28 06:06:55 i owe whoever did that a beer! May 28 06:07:01 git++ May 28 06:07:17 * daMaestro might actually start developing with the platform again May 28 06:07:41 back when the gta01v4 shipped.. i really just didn't like the dev env + tools May 28 06:08:03 * daMaestro Zzzzzz May 28 06:11:03 sleep May 28 06:17:23 while(true){do_nothing();} May 28 06:49:10 morning May 28 09:23:01 * * OM Bug 1431 has been created by danielmewes(AT)onlinehome.de May 28 09:23:02 * * ASU on GTA01: every QT application segfaults May 28 09:23:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1431 May 28 09:35:46 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r067911a60260 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update diversity-nav to 391 May 28 09:35:47 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf9c61bf9b342 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update opkg to 4452 May 28 09:35:47 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf544147c0e32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Update Assassin to 141 May 28 09:39:26 Are there other handsets in the works, or is the Neo Freerunner the only one? May 28 09:39:51 gta03, a slightly improved version is apparently in the makes May 28 09:40:01 gta04 has been talked about May 28 09:40:12 but reportedly put in the back burner for 03 :/ May 28 09:41:41 what about gta9k+ May 28 09:42:05 will gta03 have a cam? or why else are they discussion cam drivers May 28 09:42:05 it's not in mind zash ;) May 28 09:42:43 i suppose 03 would be the one without glamo May 28 09:42:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r767c5e370967 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-nav_svn.bb: [diversity] Change Tag of diversity-nav May 28 09:42:52 and maybe a saner casing May 28 09:43:04 from raster's lines, apparently there will be a cam, an edge-capable gsm chip, no gpu May 28 09:43:24 so if theres a cam they need to do a new case and just maybe come up with something closer to sanity May 28 09:43:28 iow without frigging holes May 28 09:43:46 How does Android compair to OpenMoko? May 28 09:43:51 yes, it's a new case May 28 09:44:04 tomahasamoot, android is a vm platform that happens to run linux at the bottom May 28 09:44:32 the vm should be portable to om for app compatibility if they get around to actually freeing it, methinks May 28 09:45:03 maybe, their JIT compiles to a higher level of ARM May 28 09:45:06 (forgot which one) May 28 09:45:18 I see, so OpenMoko seems better... the apps can be written in Python? May 28 09:45:28 pretty much any language really May 28 09:45:38 the underground crowd uses a lot of python May 28 09:45:42 LATIN! May 28 09:45:55 what's LATIN? May 28 09:45:58 klingon if you like and find a compiler for it May 28 09:46:09 tomahasamoot: language of the roman empire May 28 09:46:10 LOL May 28 09:46:27 I thot that was Latin. May 28 09:46:56 yes it was May 28 09:47:10 capslock :D May 28 09:48:13 so maybe just maybe we could get a transreflective screen while they are redesigning the case?? May 28 09:48:45 How about a camra? May 28 09:49:07 buz, yes, the jit probably would need some work, but one shouldn't think it to be unbearable May 28 09:49:09 it will get a camera from what i gather May 28 09:49:13 Well, I doubt it is worth aiming at a $2,000 hardware :-) May 28 09:49:31 steal the screentech from the XO May 28 09:49:37 otoh, there are people who are running android on neo arent there May 28 09:49:51 somehow they must have managed to work around the JIT issue May 28 09:50:31 What kind of camra? May 28 09:50:37 tomahasamoot, yeah I like OMĀ for python support as well :) May 28 09:51:08 Less code = Fewer bugs May 28 09:51:17 2MP or better cam? May 28 09:51:31 sounded like 2 or 3mp on the list May 28 09:51:44 tomahasamoot : no code = only hardware bugs but no feature, actually :-) May 28 09:51:48 but thats mostly extrapolating from a discussion May 28 09:53:11 BDo: I meant Python, same feature with less code May 28 09:53:58 tomahasamoot, I agree on this point, Python is a really good language for easily writing good code. May 28 09:54:28 of course as long as you don't actually try to do performance-requiring stuff in python for the neo... May 28 09:54:44 most performance critical stuff would probably be done in a c lib anyhow May 28 09:54:54 *cough*pyroute*cough* May 28 09:55:04 well, I'm not sure what it's doing, but boy was it slow May 28 09:55:15 buz, indeed May 28 09:56:30 mhh graph computing can be pretty cpu intensive May 28 09:57:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc7210522d22c 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [autorev] Disable all entries in moko-autorev.inc (mark as comment) May 28 10:04:25 buz, the gui was really unresponsive as well though... May 28 10:57:53 linux tag this week or the next? May 28 10:58:24 never mind May 28 10:58:26 got it May 28 11:13:56 ok, ASU boots on gta01 May 28 11:14:07 however i don't think it is working in the proper way May 28 11:16:03 do you have any videos of a working GTA02 phone with ASU? May 28 11:35:58 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r30ab309e2fbe 10/ (39 files in 5 dirs): May 28 11:35:58 freesmartphone.org: Updated fso's api to be simpler May 28 11:35:58 freesmartphone.org: Removed libsms May 28 11:35:58 freesmartphone.org: Added list messages and retrieve message methods and tests May 28 11:35:58 freesmartphone.org: Updated testing ui May 28 11:36:01 freesmartphone.org: Reorganized sim.c, sms.c and sms_impl.c May 28 14:14:28 http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/28/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-cell-phones/ May 28 14:14:47 nice i say May 28 15:35:08 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM&hl=de May 28 15:35:25 Is this the ASU as it looks right now?! May 28 15:36:15 apparently May 28 15:36:16 IfChinsCouldKill, Yes, though by default there's a grid-based icon layout. May 28 15:36:30 You can change the option to the slider style app launcher. May 28 15:37:11 ~curse ASU May 28 15:37:13 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ASU ! May 28 15:37:29 Looks pretty good. But I miss the giant clock! May 28 15:38:38 * mwester thinks the giant clock obscured the display which was a shame because with a suitable background image the display is awesome. May 28 15:39:23 You mean with chicks n stuff ;) May 28 15:39:54 mwester, Agreed fully. :) May 28 15:40:19 IfChinsCouldKill, Not so much. The screen is BEAUTIFUL with a huge range of colors. I have a purple fire background that looks amazing in meatspace. May 28 15:40:36 kdean06: I was gonna ask if I could get a link to your background May 28 15:40:57 I'm not sure I have it, I can look. I swiped it off some other site. :P May 28 15:41:30 I wonder if you're still able to use ASU without a stylus. May 28 15:41:35 :-) May 28 15:44:08 nope May 28 15:44:21 not unless you have tiny fingers May 28 15:45:16 They should sell the neo with a pencil sharper. You know. To make it fit your finger or the other way round. May 28 15:46:56 A reasonable compromise is to trim a fingernail rather than a finger... ;) May 28 15:47:21 don't you know we're all fanatics here May 28 15:47:25 a finger means nothing to us May 28 15:47:30 lol May 28 15:47:36 * mwester imagines a new look for touch-screen users -- a fingernail custom-trimmed to stylus shape... May 28 15:48:50 in the middleages you could waer meatal spikes on your finger. gothic style might work as well. May 28 15:48:59 metal even May 28 15:49:26 there are enough OM goths that we could start OM goth clothing May 28 15:50:20 * mwester imagines a neo with a ring of spikes around the outside edge. May 28 15:50:20 no wonder why FIC released the cad files for the phone :-p May 28 15:51:09 http://static.twoday.net/oraclesyndicate/images/morgenstern.jpg May 28 15:51:13 you could get a peircer to but subdermal magnet in fingertip and have a magnetic stylus May 28 15:51:30 Self defense neo case May 28 15:51:59 Hardware and user interfaces advance way too fast for me to permanently modify my body for any device... May 28 15:52:54 As long as it is open, you can tweak it to fit your body again. May 28 15:53:30 are there 8gb sd cards known to work in the '01? May 28 15:54:08 I have seen people talk about using them a few times, I think, and asked them to update the supported microsd cards wiki page, but it still doesn't show a 'yes' for any 8gb card May 28 15:55:14 wurp2, IIRC 8GB cards work fine, though I've heard BOOTING from SDHC cards has issues. May 28 15:55:37 there is a yes for the sandisk 8 gigger May 28 15:55:53 shown as 7xxx megabytes probably due to si conversion stuff May 28 15:55:59 and that's what I'm using May 28 15:58:07 cool, thanks kdean06 and mjr May 28 15:58:54 * XorA|gone guesses having class 6 cards is overkill for the gta02 May 28 16:01:25 their speed wouldn't matter much, yes... May 28 16:11:11 maybe one day I get a working freerunner May 28 16:11:17 and I can boot it from SD May 28 16:12:02 what about the *.summary iamges? May 28 16:12:26 in the daily repository? May 28 16:13:03 is it a jffs2 image? May 28 16:13:20 malik1972: yes May 28 16:13:32 malik1972: they boot much faster May 28 16:14:37 XorA|gone: ahh, okay. i tried the qtopia gta01 images ... May 28 16:15:07 there isnt enough room for a .summary image on gta01 May 28 16:15:52 * SpeedEvil wonders if you can upgrade the 64M in GTA01 May 28 16:15:53 XorA|gone: What's different for the .summary images? May 28 16:16:07 XorA|gone: qemu boots the image, but you cant see any icons May 28 16:16:29 malik1972: I know, no idea why May 28 16:16:38 SpeedEvil: mickey says no chance, in emulator no problem:-) May 28 16:16:40 abraxa__: some data structure that makes jffs2 quicker May 28 16:16:49 XorA|gone: Great, thanks May 28 16:17:20 malik1972: I have a BGA rework station. In theory I think it's possible. May 28 16:17:26 (but silly) May 28 16:18:09 XorA|gone: i will try booting it from sd, the behaviour is sometimes different May 28 16:18:33 malik1972: no, I think its a bug May 28 16:18:40 malik1972: it doesnt happen on ASU branch May 28 16:18:49 malik1972: also qpe on gta01 is buggered May 28 16:20:50 XorA|gone: what about gta02fake emulation, does this change anything or is this feature not usable? May 28 16:21:11 no idea what you are talking about May 28 16:21:38 XorA|gone: okay, balrog-kun was the emulator specialist, i forgot May 28 16:40:01 malik1972: it depends on what the bug is May 28 16:40:19 i can't imagine what difference between gta01 and gta02 may be causing qpe segfault May 28 16:40:48 gta02fake is somewhere between 01 and 02 May 28 16:41:27 * XorA|gone is guessing some modem response is different May 28 16:41:47 big difference in firmware for gsm between the two May 28 16:42:10 or could just be an arse buggered library on buildhost May 28 16:42:33 or its picking up lib* and not the special qtopia hacked version of lib* May 28 16:43:30 is OM doing anything interesting at LinuxTag apart from the booths? May 28 16:43:47 dunno ask the Om people there May 28 16:45:23 XorA|gone, bleh May 28 16:45:48 Sup3rkiddo: I think lack of gta02 scuppered anything really cool May 28 16:46:18 oh,,,:/ May 28 16:46:38 but maybe they have some I dont know about May 28 17:06:54 ?3 May 28 17:07:52 r! May 28 17:15:23 what filesystem is is the freerunner using for its NAND flash? May 28 17:18:51 jffs2 or something May 28 17:19:12 j44s3 ind33d May 28 17:19:13 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 28 17:20:36 Gift box for freerunner. http://store.theonion.com/gift-box-visorganizer-p-145.html May 28 17:29:36 SpeedEvil, cool, not! May 28 17:51:16 wurp2: :-P May 28 17:51:34 Was using midpssh on my phone and it didn't work so well May 28 17:53:17 That's alright; I was trying to type '4!' and I fat-fingered it May 28 17:56:35 Hehe May 28 18:34:28 does anyone know if there'll be any easy way to transfer contacts? can the freerunner import .csv? May 28 18:34:43 or vcard formats May 28 18:38:44 tushyd: The existing OM contact app will accept vcards over dbus May 28 18:39:13 I have a python script that converts sim card contacts into vcards, then imports the vcards into OM contact app May 28 18:39:40 I dunno about the Qt contact app. I assume it's sqlite, and I bet there's an easy way to import csv or vcard, but I dunno. May 28 18:40:29 cool, thanks wurp2 May 28 18:40:43 yw May 28 19:05:34 * roh just butchered around to update the wiki skin.. please report when you see weird renderings which were not there before May 28 19:18:43 looks nice May 28 19:18:50 * tomboy64 hands roh a bigger knife :) May 28 19:21:15 well.. i used a scalpel May 28 19:21:25 meld, diff, patch, svn May 28 19:21:29 and vim May 28 19:24:14 Suspend seems a bit too... Willing to suspend. :S May 28 19:41:24 http://www.linux.com/feed/136517 <-- hmm May 28 20:07:59 We're not the only ones having trouble getting our "ASU" to work - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/iss_asu_failure/ May 28 20:15:22 irrelevant May 28 20:16:36 :-D May 28 20:40:13 Is anyone running Underground? May 28 20:40:36 me, all the time ;) May 28 20:41:30 Running underground? It's dark there, isn't it... I don't wanna run there :( May 28 20:42:22 no need for light, neo has gps May 28 20:44:25 wurp2: why do you ask? May 28 20:50:41 emdete: can it be built by the makefile? May 28 20:51:02 Oh, and does anyone else get ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf May 28 20:59:46 CM: there should be a .bb for it, so: yes, should be possible. mickey_away did it May 28 20:59:54 ok May 28 21:00:10 I'll give it a try later :) May 28 21:03:36 hi May 28 21:11:17 emdete: I'm trying to find out what functionality is in it right now May 28 21:11:29 Sorry for the very slow response :-) May 28 21:12:19 I would like to switch to Underground, but I would like to keep some semblance of: gsm, gprs, sms, linux terminal, gps + mapping software, media player May 28 21:12:35 although I might just write a media player if there isn't one; I've been wanting to do that anyway May 28 21:13:33 I don't mind at all installing the OM versions of various tools if they'll run under Underground May 28 21:13:48 Why not just install them under the ASU then? May 28 21:14:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r8ff45fdc3e48 10/ophoned/gsm/ (channel.py const.py mediator.py): May 28 21:14:06 freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: cancelling a command now works, cancelling outgoing calls work, add yield-magic stub for flow-control May 28 21:14:06 freesmartphone.org: stuff May 28 21:14:38 Because I'd like to play with customizing my neo, and use the new dbus stuff to do it May 28 21:14:52 and customizing a python based stack is going to be much easier May 28 21:15:02 Does ASU somehow include Underground? May 28 21:15:27 Yeah.. I just did it... openmoko-dialer2 dies in ASU. :P May 28 21:15:34 And I thought ASU doesn't have full (or even a healthy partial) functionality May 28 21:15:36 They're mutually exlusive. May 28 21:15:56 OK, I just wasn't sure if Underground was pulled in in the same way Qtopia was May 28 21:16:32 Underground is the stack emdete is working on, it's not a specific app, it describes the build set. May 28 21:16:51 ASU is the fledgling Qtopia + Goodies stack. Not many goodies yet. :) May 28 21:16:51 Isn't the same really true of Qtopia? May 28 21:17:32 Yeah, I suppose technically it is. :) May 28 21:18:55 I'm wondering if the Qtopia apps will be packaged themselves or if "Qtopia" is it. May 28 21:19:14 I REALLY need to make an ASU video. Assassin is pretty neat. :) May 28 21:20:27 But I'm a bit... Curious as to how that will work. In the Flash demo there's a "Books" category so I'm assuming that it'll be more than just applications in there. Themes and books and such. So I'm wondering where the build documentation is, something like the Debian New Maintainer's Guide or the FreeBSD Port Handbook. May 28 21:21:41 Does anyone has a clue about when i'll be able to buy a neo ? When i try "buy now", it says that it's sold out, but there is no information about how many time we'll have to wait :/ May 28 21:22:22 theocrite: Topic for #openmoko: No, Freerunner is not out yet. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means April Software Update and is coming soon May 28 21:22:28 theocrite, The Neo 1973 is sold out and the Neo Freerunner is not yet on sale. There's no release date set though mass production has begun. May 28 21:22:31 theocrite: They are sold out of the GTA01; you can probably find one on ebay May 28 21:22:33 theocrite: very soon (TM) May 28 21:22:44 n8 May 28 21:23:11 * theocrite blinks May 28 21:23:18 Thanks for all the responses :) May 28 21:23:22 nezza-_-|zZzZ: Only now very soon means they actually have the device ready. It's frustrating that before they would let "very soon" be the perception when a little thought should have indicated at least a 6 week delay after all the hw is known good May 28 21:23:29 * theocrite is too impatient :/ May 28 21:23:45 kdean06: Is there a link for Assassin? May 28 21:23:55 Link? Too...? May 28 21:23:57 I vaguely recall seeing the name, but have no idea what it is May 28 21:24:33 There's this, which tells you nothing. :) http://assassin.projects.openmoko.org/ May 28 21:25:17 nm, found it on the wiki May 28 21:25:20 er May 28 21:25:28 well, found a page with one sentence on the wiki :-) May 28 21:25:35 Graphical package manager, now I remember May 28 21:29:59 evening all... trying to compile with MokoMakeFile and GTA02 target. Got towards the end then Gnash bailed out with: May 28 21:30:02 | ../server/Property.h:262: instantiated from here May 28 21:30:04 | /home/kyleg/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/boost/utility/addressof.hpp:37: warning: cast from 'char*' to 'gnash::as_accessors*' increases required alignment of target type May 28 21:30:09 | make[2]: *** [libgnashbase_la-extension.lo] Error 1 May 28 21:30:17 resolvable easily or should I be submitting to the bugtracker? May 28 21:35:01 * * OM Bug 1432 has been created by ian(AT)darwinsys.com May 28 21:35:02 * * Qwerty/Dictionary lookup, word not found, gets scrambled in entry area (ASU!) May 28 21:35:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 May 28 21:36:07 WTF. :) May 28 21:53:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * raf87782527a0 10/src/zhone: Enable evas caches May 28 23:44:51 anyone know where the bleeding edge asu builds are for the gta01v4? May 28 23:48:02 Last I heard it diddn't work. May 28 23:53:04 SpeedEvil, yeah.. at least all of the images/icons are missing May 28 23:53:22 SpeedEvil, other then that.. it seems to work; but i only powered it on... without a sim May 28 23:53:24 daMaestro: I tried doing an org.openmoko.asu.dev build earlier today, but it failed on qtopia-phone-x11. The ones on buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... are probably the best ones you'll find (but I haven't tried them) May 28 23:53:58 * daMaestro has about an hour left watching rsyncs and rm -rf before he will head home from $dayjob May 28 23:54:02 might as well test some images May 28 23:54:23 also, i'll be having to monitor systems all night long.. so i'd like to play with the asu some May 28 23:56:13 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.tar.gz might have been the one that i tested May 28 23:56:31 1.55M/s ... not bad May 28 23:56:44 2.56M/s :-D May 28 23:56:49 hot May 28 23:57:00 must be our layer2 link to berlin May 28 23:57:24 is the ASU builded with the openmoko-qtopia-x11 task May 29 00:00:28 yes, and you need to set the right git branch too May 29 00:01:28 ah ok, org.openmoko.april-update May 29 00:09:19 actually, there is a new branch name now I think May 29 00:11:53 Isn't there anyway that the FreeRunner can work as a wireless antenna or something ? May 29 00:12:01 like amplify the wireless signal May 29 00:12:46 It'd be the most expensive, poorest performing consumer wireless repeater available. May 29 00:12:57 BUt I guess you could hack it up/ May 29 00:15:28 Seamless GSM/wifi - move out of range, and it drops back to cellular relay May 29 00:15:40 Of course, there is the whole glaciality thing. May 29 00:16:00 hmm May 29 00:21:54 when will the online shop open ffs May 29 00:22:14 np: So Solid Crew - 21 seconds to go. May 29 00:30:00 np: God, His Son and Holy Whore - Amon Amarth May 29 00:30:03 :-p May 29 00:34:04 mhh couldn't sleep so i decided to play a little bit with gimp: May 29 00:34:05 http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2480/gelbesschildlinuxyz8.gif May 29 01:27:09 Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080524-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 still has no icons :-/ May 29 01:33:35 :/ May 29 01:46:53 nezza-_-: Warning, this is running Linux? May 29 01:47:14 wurp2: mh warning, FREE running penguins ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 29 02:59:56 2008