**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 03 02:59:57 2008 Jun 03 03:48:45 * Surfer55 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) Jun 03 03:59:40 omg, free things! Jun 03 03:59:46 * Sonicadvance1 goes to surfer66's links Jun 03 04:47:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4471 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: *modify src/buttonactions.c to make neod use the apm command to suspend the host rather than writing directly to sysfs. Patch by Mike Westerhof: Thanks! Jun 03 04:59:47 i shall never know how i lived with out ssh tunnels Jun 03 05:49:23 was it just pouches and headsets that come with the ten packs or was there going to be some other things too? Jun 03 05:55:48 52 packs Jun 03 05:57:53 52 packs in the ten packs?! win! Jun 03 06:23:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r00b5126af74b 10/odeviced/src/helpers.vala: Jun 03 06:23:08 freesmartphone.org: created a new namespace for helpers. Nested namespaces are similar to Jun 03 06:23:08 freesmartphone.org: static classes in vala Jun 03 06:33:27 good morning Jun 03 06:52:13 hey all Jun 03 06:52:30 I wonder where google soc projects status is tracked? Jun 03 06:55:44 here is one of them Jun 03 06:55:44 http://sudharsh.wordpress.com/category/openmoko/ Jun 03 07:02:00 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r17a2b3f221f6 10/odeviced/docs/PLUGINS.txt: Trivial changes to the docs to reflect the latest code Jun 03 07:02:18 thats me! Jun 03 07:02:27 :D Jun 03 07:08:31 where isit Jun 03 07:09:48 fenfir: thanks, any others? Jun 03 07:10:13 that's the only one i found easily, i'm sure the others are out there Jun 03 07:10:20 nshm, there is planet-soc.com . Jun 03 07:10:27 let me look Jun 03 07:10:40 http://code.google.com/soc/2008/openmoko/about.html Jun 03 07:10:47 you can probably find more with that info Jun 03 07:19:16 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r55e61ab9ccb3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Upgrade version of neod to 4471 Jun 03 07:35:19 morning Jun 03 07:40:19 * nshm is still interested in speech recognition one :) Jun 03 07:40:26 well, it seems no info right now Jun 03 07:55:01 how long ll it take to make a kernel image using mokomakefile Jun 03 07:55:21 my sys conf is 1GB ram and amd turion processor Jun 03 08:06:03 anyone there? i got a prob while making my openmoko image using openmoko makefile... Jun 03 08:07:00 * XorA is here Jun 03 08:36:06 * ScaredyCat puts CM's face on a funny body... oh wait... someone did it already :P Jun 03 08:37:09 openmoko: 03zecke * rb7b95a89dfbd 10/qtopiacore/qt/bin/syncqt: [qt] No idea why it wants to escape + from the path... Jun 03 08:38:26 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7640bb125356 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-nodm-init.bb xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm): [x11] Make sure to set a HOME and LOGNAME when launching Jun 03 08:38:27 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r268cd43cce2b 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] Allow to build Qtopia/X11 for gta01 Jun 03 08:38:27 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf7bb4e91c2a8 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/om-gta01/Xsession.d/89qtopia: [qtopia] Add the Qtopia Xsession start script for gta01 as well Jun 03 08:38:28 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7bacd949e6a3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] We can now properly name the source directory do so Jun 03 08:38:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r576e128e170c 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/om-gta01/Xsession.d/89qtopia: [qtopia] Add the Qtopia Xsession start script for gta01 as well Jun 03 08:38:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9d87d2a38a82 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: [qtopia] Allow to build Qtopia/X11 for gta01 Jun 03 08:38:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r92b36370cf50 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-nodm-init.bb xserver-nodm-init/xserver-nodm): [x11] Make sure to set a HOME and LOGNAME when launching Jun 03 08:41:21 http://tinyurl.com/3rzgqa Jun 03 08:41:50 Hi all! I am still eagerly awaiting a production model, any latest gossip about ? Jun 03 08:42:19 hhhh Jun 03 08:45:08 cvdstap: presumably (!) shipping starts by end of june. if mp starts successfully, which it is expected to every week now. Jun 03 08:45:28 i just read that on the wiki :) Jun 03 08:45:43 where? Jun 03 08:48:08 like the official link in the channel header? Jun 03 08:48:31 oh Jun 03 08:55:06 How did they tackle the power issues ? Jun 03 09:03:00 150-200 Hrs (GSM) Talk time (Backlight off) Up to 3-4 hrs(GSM) seems like they did Jun 03 09:04:03 wtf? Jun 03 09:04:14 who put those ugly shoes on my bootscren! Jun 03 09:04:19 *screen Jun 03 09:05:39 :-D Jun 03 09:06:38 when i was making my openmoko kernel i got an error while it was compilin libgmp statin that there were multiple declarations for _gmp__ .... Jun 03 09:07:47 i changed the config file : mokofolder/openmoko/target/src/kernel/config/defconf Jun 03 09:08:07 is it a problem? i need some help... Jun 03 09:29:15 gnash is not working for me Jun 03 09:31:39 some ext/atomic.h include error Jun 03 09:31:42 any clue? Jun 03 09:42:59 mhm Jun 03 09:43:17 i guess i've never had so many deltas appear on my screen as with git :-| Jun 03 10:14:13 helo anyone had compiled the openmoko kernel before? Jun 03 10:14:22 anyone here? Jun 03 10:16:04 mass_storr: once a day everyday Jun 03 10:20:28 mass_storr out of interest what are u trying to do...setup a development environment or run qemu or ? Jun 03 10:21:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf481aaab1745 10/odeviced/plugins/powercontrol/powercontrol.h: add powercontrol.h Jun 03 10:21:45 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf997cdd5bb38 10/odeviced/conf/odeviced.conf: dependency tracking causes segfaults when dbus interface is used to load plugins, disabling it for now Jun 03 10:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rd854e120cec9 10/odeviced/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Jun 03 10:21:46 freesmartphone.org: plugin.vala Jun 03 10:21:47 freesmartphone.org: added dbus_object_path member Jun 03 10:21:47 mass_storr: Not to be impolite, but if you're inexperienced with linux it's a much better idea to follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile - and once everything *works* you can try making changes Jun 03 10:21:47 i want to set the openmoko in mass storage mode Jun 03 10:21:49 freesmartphone.org: powercontrol/ Jun 03 10:21:51 freesmartphone.org: skeleton dbus iterface Jun 03 10:22:41 k Jun 03 10:23:22 mass_storr: Also, you might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html so you get better responses to your requests Jun 03 10:23:47 i want to make sure that i can make images for GTA01 and GTA02 using the mokomakefile.... Jun 03 10:26:55 can i create images for both of them. Jun 03 10:26:56 i accept that my queries might not be clear enuf but as i m very interested in doin it, i cant stop querryin here Jun 03 10:28:18 That's perfectly fine, just please understand that most people here are busy with other things so the better your questions are, the easier it's for us to help you. That said, lots of people here are struggling with building images for GTA0x because they are constantly being worked on. Jun 03 10:29:03 That's why I recommend getting it working first and only then make changes - if you make changes before you even know it works, we're indirectly forced to assume that it's you who caused the problem Jun 03 10:30:14 That's not meant as an offense, it's a direct result of the complexity of the build system Jun 03 10:30:56 abraxa: tats very helping for me from u people. ll get to u after i just make sure it works. Jun 03 10:32:00 abraxa_, hi, iirc, you were having problems with building linux-openmoko? i remember someone having this problem as me Jun 03 10:35:36 mass_storr: Great. If the wiki article I linked you to is unclear in one way or another, please ask Jun 03 10:35:51 Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, I did and I haven't tried since. Lemme do that Jun 03 10:36:52 abraxa_, yeah...i be happy if it barfs in your system :P Jun 03 10:36:58 thanks Jun 03 10:50:03 abraxa: sure man Jun 03 11:06:04 Hi. I am trying to get the gps location from a C program using gps.h in GTA02. Any idea of what should be given for the parameter "Server" in the call gps_open(Server, Port) ? Jun 03 11:08:05 sreekanth: gps.h is coming from where? Jun 03 11:08:06 Can any one help me regarding this ? Jun 03 11:08:23 I installed gps.h frrom the ipk package Jun 03 11:08:41 what package? Jun 03 11:09:06 it is gpsd-dev_2.35-0_armv4t.ipk Jun 03 11:09:21 I got it from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Jun 03 11:09:26 so it is gpsd? well then u need to give a gpsd server Jun 03 11:09:34 ie. localhost if u running one Jun 03 11:09:44 or there are some public test ones Jun 03 11:10:38 not looked at the code but that would be a good guess Jun 03 11:11:11 I am really not sure whether the process I am doing is correct. Actually my requirement is to access the GPS data from a C program on GTAx. What is the best way to do this ? Jun 03 11:11:32 u have a gta02? Jun 03 11:11:36 yeah Jun 03 11:11:49 well i dont have one but i believe gypsy is part of ASU ? Jun 03 11:12:03 otherwise u could use gpsd on gta01 Jun 03 11:12:17 ASU ? Jun 03 11:12:27 obviously u need the gps working and getting data Jun 03 11:12:59 you want me to parse the tty/nmeaNP for getting the gps data ? Jun 03 11:13:11 not unless u want to :) Jun 03 11:13:25 a very quick google will show u how to get data from gpsd Jun 03 11:13:44 and the dbus api is also documented for gypsy Jun 03 11:14:43 but if i had a gta02 i would be looking to use gpsy Jun 03 11:15:07 Oh okk Jun 03 11:15:10 zedstar: Accessing the GPS directly isn't "allowed" anyway Jun 03 11:16:03 abraxa_ that is fine i dont have any need to Jun 03 11:16:58 abraxa_: if that is the case, then how will you write gps based programs on openmoko ? Jun 03 11:17:48 sreekanth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#GPS Jun 03 11:19:05 abraxa_: Do you have any experience in writing the gps based programs for moko ? Jun 03 11:19:54 Unfortunately I don't but the gypsy docs should tell you all you want to know Jun 03 11:20:21 The only real issue you'll be facing is turning the GPS on and off but that's something that Sup3rkiddo is solving :) Jun 03 11:21:31 :P Jun 03 11:22:05 abraxa_: which is preferable between libgps and libgypsy ? Jun 03 11:24:10 libgypsy? I dunno how you come up with libgps when gypsy is going to be the only allowed way for GPS access ;) Jun 03 11:24:12 i'd prefer libgypsy because of the dbus thingy Jun 03 11:33:12 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r0974d7baec1d 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Jun 03 11:33:12 freesmartphone.org: Serial handling fixes Jun 03 11:33:12 freesmartphone.org: Refactoring post at command Jun 03 11:33:12 freesmartphone.org: Neo1973 call handling fixes Jun 03 11:42:07 good morning boys and girls Jun 03 11:42:23 good morning mr mickeyl Jun 03 11:42:23 mornin Jun 03 11:42:23 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r33e72ff44a13 10/odeviced/plugins/ (powercontrol/powercontrol.c wifi/wifi.c): fix unloading Jun 03 11:42:25 pants on Jun 03 11:42:27 morning Jun 03 11:42:34 :) Jun 03 11:42:43 raster: of course! :) Jun 03 11:43:04 <`pwgen`> afternoon .. of course Jun 03 11:43:08 mickeyl: then it must not be that early for you! Jun 03 11:43:09 :) Jun 03 11:43:29 ah, you got me Jun 03 11:43:34 13:43 local time Jun 03 11:43:42 Sup3rkiddo: http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 - same old... Jun 03 11:43:48 <`pwgen`> mickely: ist there something wrong with the freesmartphone git ( i can't access it ) Jun 03 11:44:07 i have started to spend the first hours of the day with walking to ease my blood pressure and breath fresh air Jun 03 11:44:09 so far it's great Jun 03 11:44:13 `pwgen`: let me check Jun 03 11:44:21 mickeyl: and he's alive ;) Jun 03 11:44:23 abraxa_, same problem here Jun 03 11:44:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rea099a5471f5 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Add diversity-radar, a GPS location based communicative application Jun 03 11:45:01 `pwgen`: works from here. can you pastebin your problem?= Jun 03 11:45:03 Sup3rkiddo: Do you know of a bug report? Jun 03 11:45:11 methril: thats good! Jun 03 11:45:12 <`pwgen`> ( i got unable to lookup ( port 9418 ) errors but for example can git the git code Jun 03 11:45:13 err Jun 03 11:45:15 mickeyl: thats good! Jun 03 11:45:23 abraxa_, no...was a bug filed? Jun 03 11:45:30 mickeyl: and in winter spend the first few hours skiing! Jun 03 11:45:31 :) Jun 03 11:45:35 haha Jun 03 11:45:37 not in Frankfurt Jun 03 11:45:42 hardly any snow these years Jun 03 11:45:52 Sup3rkiddo: That's what I wanted to know :) - if not, we should file one Jun 03 11:46:01 theres no snow in germany Jun 03 11:46:02 :/ Jun 03 11:46:13 isn't it summer up there? Jun 03 11:46:18 abraxa_, XorA can build it...or he is lying Jun 03 11:46:21 yes Jun 03 11:47:03 XorA: You around? Jun 03 11:47:47 mickeyl: boo! no snow! :( Jun 03 11:48:00 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: http://www.pastebin.org/40273 Jun 03 11:48:12 pasta Jun 03 11:48:27 `pwgen`: wrong syntax Jun 03 11:48:32 use a dash instead of a : Jun 03 11:48:42 http://rafb.net/p/UYoKbF35.html Jun 03 11:48:42 raster whats good? Jun 03 11:49:09 mickeyl: Have you noticed that gsmd2 has basic support for Neo1973 nowdays? :) Jun 03 11:49:13 methril: sorry - mixed you and mickeyl up Jun 03 11:49:13 :) Jun 03 11:49:18 :) Jun 03 11:49:35 :-) Jun 03 11:49:44 hepaajan: i've seen the commits, but did not have a chance to try on the device yet! i guess i need to add telit support in ophoned then, right? ;) Jun 03 11:49:45 :--) Jun 03 11:50:50 mickeyl: Yeah ;) Jun 03 11:50:57 <`pwgen`> so please change it on the freesmartphone wiki this typo is by cut & paste from there Jun 03 11:51:14 `pwgen`: done. sorry Jun 03 11:51:32 mickeyl: Basic support == at least calls and sms works Jun 03 11:51:44 <`pwgen`> *G* nice Jun 03 11:52:04 I assume Steve's post on the mailing list about pick ups means we could walk in and actually pick up a phone? or does it only apply to larger orders? Jun 03 11:52:34 mickeyl: Next on the list are fso muxer support and update to current API Jun 03 11:52:43 hepaajan: cool progress! Jun 03 11:53:20 cb22: well, it's steve... don't assue, better ask to make it 100% clear Jun 03 11:53:25 s/assue/assume/ Jun 03 11:53:26 mickeyl meant: cb22: well, it's steve... don't assume, better ask to make it 100% clear Jun 03 11:54:33 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: whats about a configuration backend for the ohphone and deviced ( hard coded timeouts for apm and other things ) Jun 03 11:55:15 `pwgen`: yes. ophone already exports a Server object in addition to the Device object that was supposed to contain a configuration interface (result caching etc.) Jun 03 11:55:41 as for odeviced, right now it reads configuration from files, eventually it will talk to preferencesd _or_ have a config interface, i agree Jun 03 11:57:00 abraxa: i tried compillin without doing any change using d makefile. but d same error... Jun 03 11:57:06 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0d51cdc54d3 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-radar_svn.bb: [diversity] remove PACKAGES = "${PN}" from diversity-radar Jun 03 11:57:06 <`pwgen`> would it be a good idea createing a more general storeage backend so its possible to store configuration/media with the same mechanism Jun 03 11:57:29 abraxa: i started it from the first step again Jun 03 11:57:30 `pwgen`: yes. a more generic storage interface is actually what abraxa_ is working on as per GSoC2008 Jun 03 11:58:02 mass_storr: Can you copy the error to e.g. pastebin.org and give us the URL? Jun 03 11:58:42 abraxa_: yes Jun 03 11:58:45 mickeyl: I am? I didn't know configuration data and media files were of my concern :) Jun 03 11:59:36 XorA: Any idea about http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 ? Sup3rkiddo said you don't have that problem, so we're mildly confused Jun 03 12:00:18 " mass_storr: once a day everyday" Jun 03 12:00:33 abraxa_: you have out of date OE Jun 03 12:00:35 abraxa_: well, perhaps not configuration, that's more preferencesd, but i would consider some media being interesting as part of the contacts storage Jun 03 12:00:37 SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "6f0356ed149557ca4c80aa4ad857d3c878147581 Jun 03 12:01:05 abraxa: http://www.pastebin.org/40277 Jun 03 12:01:46 i did do "make update", i thought that automagically updates the SRCREVs for me Jun 03 12:02:19 Sup3rkiddo: did you move onto the git MokoMakfile? Jun 03 12:02:32 XorA, yeah i did Jun 03 12:02:45 even clobbered everything Jun 03 12:02:48 well cd into you git directory and do git-pull Jun 03 12:02:52 abraxa_, et vous? Jun 03 12:03:01 XorA, oh Jun 03 12:03:27 brb, my USB has crashed again, need to reboot Jun 03 12:04:28 XorA: Out of date OE? Am I using the wrong branch or how can I remedy that? Jun 03 12:05:51 mickeyl: Ah okay - I'm thinking in terms of mail attachments here but yeah, some media would be part of PIM indeed Jun 03 12:06:07 abraxa_, where do you blog? Jun 03 12:06:33 Sup3rkiddo: I don't - I enjoy my privacy and I rather work than write stuff no one cares about ;) Jun 03 12:06:44 bleh to you Jun 03 12:06:58 ~trout abraxa_ Jun 03 12:07:00 * apt_ slaps abraxa_ around a bit with a large trout! Jun 03 12:07:05 =p Jun 03 12:07:23 hehe Jun 03 12:07:26 * mwester doesn't blog; he just states his opinions on IRC and mailing lists Jun 03 12:07:32 :p Jun 03 12:07:46 actually i want to encourage the GSoC students to write biweekly status reports during the time Jun 03 12:08:02 abraxa_, ^^ Jun 03 12:08:02 * mwester saw mickeyl 's blog, and thinks he's messing with everyone's heads! :D Jun 03 12:08:03 mickeyl: Where to? Jun 03 12:08:09 openmoko-devel should be it Jun 03 12:08:16 h okay Jun 03 12:08:27 mwester: ;) that wasn't my intention Jun 03 12:09:31 hehe! I'll bet you've still gotten quite a lot of questions asked about that, though! Jun 03 12:09:34 * XorA returns Jun 03 12:09:42 abraxa_: did you move to the git MokoMakfile? Jun 03 12:10:07 mwester: *nod* Jun 03 12:10:40 * XorA will just wear chainmail when around mickeyl just in case :-) Jun 03 12:10:47 mass_storr: Can I please see the make command you entered and the contents of your build/conf/local.conf ? Jun 03 12:11:40 XorA: good morning... the unofficial not-Openmoko's-doing ASU support for GTA01 lacks audio? or did I mess up my build or miss something? Jun 03 12:12:04 mwester: its possible, I didnt have anything audio to test with Jun 03 12:13:03 abraxa: i hope u read the end of the text tat i sent. it had the gist of the errors. More than twice i read the mokomakefile link from top to bottom. Jun 03 12:13:06 Ok, I take a closer look. I can't find pulse audio on the image, and nothing modprobes the audio drivers. I'll poke at the build a bit to see if it had trouble semewhere. Jun 03 12:13:13 <`pwgen`> mickeyl abraxa_: the config/datastorage should also being able to store recorded phonecalls / ringtones and mms things . Jun 03 12:13:13 mwester: I think qpe should be swithing audio profiles right Jun 03 12:13:36 mwester: hmm, the modules should be set to automodprobe in the packages Jun 03 12:14:06 `pwgen`: Ring tones? Jun 03 12:14:18 Yes, as I understand it nothing has changed with the base system. Jun 03 12:14:27 Oops, gotta run for a second... Jun 03 12:15:17 annual bath day...bbl Jun 03 12:15:26 XorA: Does "make update-makefile" not suffice to be up-to-date as you specifically ask for a git Mokomakefile? Jun 03 12:15:55 abraxa_: it should, but it looks like your git isnt updated for either asu or .dev branches Jun 03 12:16:40 XorA: Seemingly, yeah. I did a git pull, it did update sane-srcrevs.inc but still - same error. Jun 03 12:17:07 abraxa_: odd Jun 03 12:17:18 abraxa_: almost as if its looking at the wrong OE Jun 03 12:17:36 <`pwgen`> abraxa: i think selecting, changeing ringtones sould be possible Jun 03 12:17:41 abraxa_: what's the build failure? Jun 03 12:17:41 XorA: DISTRO = "openmoko" / DISTRO_VERSION = "P1-Snapshot-20080603" Jun 03 12:17:48 XorA: Could that be the culprit? Jun 03 12:18:15 mwester: http://pastie.caboo.se/207806 Jun 03 12:18:25 abraxa_: that shouldnt break anything Jun 03 12:18:44 `pwgen`: Ah, yes. Just not my area :) Jun 03 12:18:49 Ack! THAT one! Jun 03 12:18:52 abraxa_: does your old OE mtn directory still exist? try moving that if it does Jun 03 12:19:06 abraxa_: if that errors it will narrow down the problem Jun 03 12:20:04 NOTE: package linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080603-r0: task do_fetch: completed Jun 03 12:20:20 Doing the git pull *and* updating the makefile yet again did it Jun 03 12:20:41 XorA: Thanks for the help :) Jun 03 12:21:53 abraxa_: no probs, spread the word now :-) Jun 03 12:23:37 `pwgen`: (phonecalls, ringtones, etc.) yes, most of this is oeventd and opreferencesd though. I probably have to add more examples on OpenmokoFramework so that we all agree on the "big picture" ;) Jun 03 12:23:37 Sup3rkiddo: When you get back, can you please try updating the makefile before you try the git pull - I'd like to know if that fixes it already Jun 03 12:27:57 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: do you have more to add( or write someting to add ) ? opreferencesd for example seemes very small in size ;-) Jun 03 12:30:27 mass_storr: Well, the error itself is good to know, but in order to determine the cause, I need more information - in particular the stuff I asked for :) Jun 03 12:30:43 `pwgen`: well, there's no code for a lot of stuff. framework initiative has just started Jun 03 12:30:48 but we will move fast Jun 03 12:31:12 important is to make clear how all that stuff interacts Jun 03 12:31:25 this is what I'm working on besides getting my hand dirty on ophoned :) Jun 03 12:31:52 if you want to help us, please subscribe smartphones-devel and lets talk about big picture and APIs Jun 03 12:32:07 if you want to implement something, lets talk on openmoko-devel Jun 03 12:32:20 i prefer mail to IRC for most discussions Jun 03 12:32:28 gives a chance to think things through Jun 03 12:32:29 :) Jun 03 12:32:45 s/smartphones-devel/smartphones-standards/ Jun 03 12:36:41 <`pwgen`> so i am not wrong looking at the openmokoframework an missing a lot of things Jun 03 12:37:54 no, that's correct. Jun 03 12:38:38 tell us what you are missing, we make it fit in. but think API and integration plans first, then implementation Jun 03 12:39:21 i mean even a simple thing like ringin is very complex in the framework Jun 03 12:39:37 since it depends on eventd, preferencesd, contextd, phoned, and deviced Jun 03 12:39:38 :D Jun 03 12:40:00 but it's going to be simple for the API consumer Jun 03 12:40:04 that's what counts Jun 03 12:40:34 and now it's dinner time Jun 03 12:40:35 bbiab Jun 03 12:45:51 After connecting the openmoko to my pc, can I use the pc as GPS receiver ? Jun 03 12:46:05 yep, in one way or another Jun 03 12:46:23 <`pwgen`> sure i know that. and we did a short talked at linxutag2008 about this. Jun 03 12:46:43 `pwgen`: any hints ? Jun 03 12:47:20 <`pwgen`> and it also should requires gstreamer, what is ( i think for know ) not in the openmoko-devel or underground image Jun 03 12:48:31 `pwgen`: huh? how does using the neo as a gps dongle to a pc need gstreamer? Jun 03 12:48:42 <`pwgen`> and an complete audi management and config management and ... i should write a long email to openmoko devel .. and set up an trac Jun 03 12:49:17 `pwgen`: can you give me any url regarding this ? Jun 03 12:49:38 <`pwgen`> cb22 gstreamer .. framework to do audio/ maybe video handling , playing ogg store/copy streams... Jun 03 12:50:06 `pwgen`: gstreamer is used for audio already Jun 03 12:52:25 <`pwgen`> http://www.pastebin.org/40294 i have played a little with gstreamer pulsaudio dbus-ringing Jun 03 12:53:07 On audi managment. I'm planning on once I get my Engine controller up, to getting megatunix up and running on my neo for engine tuning. Jun 03 12:53:30 <`pwgen`> *FG* s/audi/audio/ .. Jun 03 12:53:40 I know :) Jun 03 12:53:49 `pwgen`: can you give me any url where I can find the info about receiving the gps data on my PC via ? Jun 03 12:53:57 via openmoko Jun 03 12:54:05 sreekanth: you mean live? Jun 03 12:54:11 sreekanth: over GPRS? Jun 03 12:55:18 <`pwgen`> start gllin with the socket option and tunnel it via ssh to your target. or look at the openmoko page there were samples how to do this Jun 03 12:55:26 SpeedEvil: not via GPRS. I want to act my PC as a GPS receiver when I connect the openmoko to my pc. Jun 03 12:55:36 `pwgen`: ok Jun 03 12:55:40 * mwester wonders if what sreekanth wants is just to run gpsd on the freerunner, and on the PC point the application to the remote IP address and port number for gpsd on the freerunner? Jun 03 12:56:33 <`pwgen`> sreekanth: in the past i have seen there sample how to use the gps receiver like an bluetooth dongle ( btserial ) Jun 03 12:56:52 ok Jun 03 12:59:23 if this is the wrong channel for this i apologize, but has anyone else had problems building qtopia-phone-x11 for gta01? i keep getting an error during the compile complaining that the linker cannot find Xtst, any thoughts? Jun 03 13:00:44 how to switch the openmoko from usbnet to mass storage mode. is compiling the kernel (with usb_file_storage=y) the only option? Jun 03 13:05:27 kramer: This is the right place to ask this indeed, however you might want to use one of the pastebins to show us your error ;) Jun 03 13:08:32 mass_stor: I'm not sure what you mean by "mass storage mode". Do you mean USB host mode? Jun 03 13:17:32 mass_stor: you need to build it as a module iirc and rmmod usbnet and modprobe g_file_storage Jun 03 13:17:49 or maybe there was a /sys node for switching... Jun 03 13:19:39 abraxa_: thanks, i'm new to irc so i'll need some assistance with the paste bin, but the short version is: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst Jun 03 13:20:09 ~pastebin Jun 03 13:20:11 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Jun 03 13:20:17 kramer: install libxtst-dev for you distro Jun 03 13:20:31 kramer: or equivalent Jun 03 13:21:50 ~curse qtopia Jun 03 13:21:51 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, qtopia ! Jun 03 13:22:04 abraxa: I want openmoko to act as a usb peripheral device not as a usb host, so that i can mount openmoko s filesystem or parts of it on other systems Jun 03 13:22:49 mass_stor: Ah okay - I'd try balrog-kun's suggestion then Jun 03 13:23:40 balrog-kun: exactly i m on the same path u r sayin. trying to build it, but got stuck up in the building process... Jun 03 13:24:02 XorA: many thanks! its now installed and we'll see what the compile does... Jun 03 13:25:51 balrog-kun: Is the alternate which u suggested currently a workin one? Jun 03 13:26:07 balrag-kun:the /sys node Jun 03 13:26:35 mass_stor: lemme check... Jun 03 13:28:23 <`pwgen`> mass_store: what you meant i the g_file_storage module, it emulates the behavior of an usb stick, so you can use your internal SD card as usb stick Jun 03 13:29:14 <`pwgen`> i tried it on an zaurus c3200 with no success ( older 2.18 kernel ) Jun 03 13:31:13 pwgen: i m not sure. i got the info and i m tryin it. it act as driver kinda thing makin the device to act as usb stick. u can mount internal card or a partition usin this... Jun 03 13:31:48 mass_stor: modules seem to be the only way, there's no /sys node that i can find Jun 03 13:32:22 pwgen: i got into contact with a person yang.lu from the community mailing list. He has succedded usin neo like a usb stick... Jun 03 13:35:18 to all: i m tryin to build openmoko image using moko makefile but i get an error while compilation of a package gmp-native. anyone here came across simillar kinda problem? Jun 03 13:36:18 hi is there michael? Jun 03 13:37:12 good afternoon! (at least in germany) Jun 03 13:37:34 ia am trying to run gta02 with qemu, but had no success so far Jun 03 13:38:06 -M gta02fake produces errors, regardless what combination of uboot, kernel and filesystem images i try Jun 03 13:38:31 does someone know a working way to run qemu -M gta02fake? Jun 03 13:40:19 if i just replace gta01 with gta02fake when starting qemu, U-Boot fails with the following messages after selecting to boot: Jun 03 13:40:28 incorrect device type in kernel Jun 03 13:40:32 'kernel' is not a number Jun 03 13:40:37 Bad Magic Number Jun 03 13:44:28 ea 05 00 c0 Jun 03 13:44:54 ? Jun 03 13:45:14 first 4 bytes from my kernel image Jun 03 13:45:46 on my laptop Jun 03 13:46:05 'kernel' is not a number ... Jun 03 13:46:10 richard_: you are using the 01 kernel? Jun 03 13:46:13 richard_: you are using the 02 kernel? Jun 03 13:46:19 i tried both Jun 03 13:47:17 anyone else who got simillar compilation error while buildin the openmoko? (error is--> package gmp-native-4.2.1-r2: task do_compile: failed ) Jun 03 13:48:22 the wiki says i would have to patch the kernel and replace gta01 with gta02fake - as my restrictive firewall prevented me from downloading the patches i tried it with 02 kernel images Jun 03 13:49:18 i tried replacing gta01 with gta02fake both just at the end (when i call qemu to run) and later also in openmoko/env so that flash.sh uses that, too Jun 03 13:49:45 the general question is: when i want to run qemu gta02fake, which u-boot, kernel and image version do i have to use? all gta02? Jun 03 13:50:37 zash: what do you mean? what should i check? Jun 03 13:51:14 richard_: iduno, where did the 'kernel' come from Jun 03 13:52:57 must be something in flash.sh Jun 03 13:53:21 but it does work with -M gta01 Jun 03 13:53:44 i guess something in flash.sh must be adjusted for gta02 Jun 03 13:55:30 my idea was to get a general howto which uboot/kernel/image versions i should use (gta01 or 02?, some newer version known not to work with qemu?, ...) and whether the -M gta02fake change should be done in openmoko/env or only when running qemu at the end? Jun 03 13:56:05 <`pwgen`> mass_store: did you try a modinfo g_file_storage and inserted it with the corrcet parameters ? Jun 03 13:56:36 i have followded the steps on the wiki (Openmoko under QEMU / Manual setup) Jun 03 13:58:47 but it may be that i messed up something meanwhile : ( Jun 03 13:59:05 so please tell me: what is the cleanest way to get qemu running a gta02 image + kernel? Jun 03 14:00:07 MokoMakefile works, but only for gta01, dunno what to change for gta02(fake) Jun 03 14:00:28 pwgen: In my neo101 and neo1973 (openmoko image got from ttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ ) , i cant find a module named g_file_storage. I guess the g_file_storage option was not set in my openmoko build... Jun 03 14:03:49 So i m tryin to build a image with that option set in the conf file( {moko_build_dir}/openmoko/trunk/target/src/kernel/conf/defconfig ). Jun 03 14:05:54 <`pwgen`> mass_stor: that should be thr right way. Jun 03 14:06:13 mass_stor: were you sucessful in building the stock (unmodified) image first? Jun 03 14:07:22 mwester: No i get the error when the build process was compilin package gmp-native Jun 03 14:07:42 <`pwgen`> you should change on your buildhost into the build directory, there you can make a "bitbake path_to_kernel-moko-file -c clean/configure/compile " Jun 03 14:08:10 please tell me, what do i have to change when to make MokoMakefile download gta02 images to run with -M gta02fake instead of gta01 images to run with -M gta01? Jun 03 14:08:19 mass_stor: what is your host system? Jun 03 14:08:26 <`pwgen`> so you can follow if your changes in .config will also build your a right kernel Jun 03 14:10:07 Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.21-2950.fc8xen #1 SMP Tue Oct 23 12:24:34 EDT 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux Jun 03 14:11:05 pwgen: oh that's you! Jun 03 14:12:07 noone knowing a way to run gta02fake qemu? : ( Jun 03 14:12:26 richard_: it's in the wiki, isn't it? Jun 03 14:12:39 for gta01, yes Jun 03 14:12:42 for gta02, not really Jun 03 14:13:15 yeah if it builds with the changes.... but it didn build with changes. And without changes too it gave the same error on same package Jun 03 14:13:57 in the wiki it says i can just replace gta01 with gta02fake and it should work Jun 03 14:14:04 even with gta01 uboot, kernel and flash image Jun 03 14:14:10 but it doesn't Jun 03 14:14:34 it gives me the error i mentioned earlier, already in u-boot Jun 03 14:15:28 pwgen: yeah if it builds with the changes.... but it didn build with changes. And without changes too it gave the same error on same package Jun 03 14:15:33 replacing the default gta01 u-boot with a gta02 one fails while running flash.sh with tons of s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 while flashing errors Jun 03 14:18:17 mass_stor: :( Xen kernel caused me endless problems; but that's not the current symptom you are encountering. I think there's more going on. Are you using the master makefile? Jun 03 14:20:17 mass_stor: Please pastebin the log from the failing build task. Jun 03 14:20:49 pasta! Jun 03 14:21:39 * ScaredyCat removes ladyboy boots from startup Jun 03 14:21:40 * mwester suspects that confusing pastebin with pasta will lead to increased hunger. Jun 03 14:21:51 pasta bin? Jun 03 14:22:09 mwester: http://www.pastebin.org/40318 Jun 03 14:22:37 tomboy64 - please tell me where to search for the information i need if nobody can help me here. i am trying to get qemu gta2 to run for two days now and really get somehow disappointed : ( Jun 03 14:23:05 richard_: it seems like you have to do it manually. Jun 03 14:23:15 richard_: get the sources and read the accompanying docs Jun 03 14:23:38 richard_: i'm myself not into the build-structure of om yet; i'm using mokomakefile now for the first time. Jun 03 14:24:10 mass_stor: pastebin /home/antony/moko_copy/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gmp-native-4.2.1-r2/temp/log.do_compile.1305 <--- that's the complete log Jun 03 14:24:46 what's with the stupid joke in the topic ? Jun 03 14:24:55 link whatever Jun 03 14:24:56 what exactly do you mean with manually? compiling the source instead of using the images provided but still using mokomakefile? or not using mokomakefile at all? Jun 03 14:25:15 richard_: the latter. Jun 03 14:25:52 ok, in fact i started with that... but did not find the things i have to do for gta02 Jun 03 14:26:01 richard_: I rather suspect that you are travelling in rather uncharted areas. Few people have worked with GTA02 emulation with qemu; GTA01 is adequate for user-space applications, and there is little support for GTA02 hardware. So I think that there is no easy-to-follow and complete source for the info you request. :( Jun 03 14:26:34 richard_: What exactly is the need you have for emulation of the gta02? Jun 03 14:26:59 Or is it just to run the latest 02 builds? Jun 03 14:28:27 i have to work on a project involving wifi communication, gps positioning and displaying warnings on the gta02 once it arrives. it is already ordered Jun 03 14:28:48 it is kind of a supplement to car2car communication Jun 03 14:29:04 richard_: you've been able to order the gta02? Jun 03 14:29:21 in very indirect ways, yes Jun 03 14:29:26 :( I'm afraid you'll find that the qemu emulation doesn't include wifi emulation. Jun 03 14:29:53 i know that, but i want to be as near at the gta02 specs as possible Jun 03 14:30:26 I don't know that anyone has gotten the new GTA02 images (ASU images) running on qemu yet. You might be the first, when you succeed. Jun 03 14:30:34 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rfbee7957efb8 10/oeventd/oeventd: Fix some leftovers from odeviced Jun 03 14:30:36 i am going to write some map application. there the problem starts: gtk or qtopia? Jun 03 14:31:08 EFL ;p Jun 03 14:31:37 richard_: I thought it may be some thing like that Jun 03 14:31:58 therefore i want to see the newest versions Jun 03 14:32:04 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r836c091405ee 10/ousaged/ousaged: Fix some leftovers from odeviced Jun 03 14:32:14 mwester: any alternate site to send u my error log. bcos tat log exceeds pastebins max size.... Jun 03 14:32:34