**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 06 02:59:56 2008 Jun 06 03:13:17 hm nice nice Jun 06 03:14:01 finally :) Jun 06 03:15:28 what? Jun 06 03:15:47 mass production you talking about? Jun 06 03:19:55 No, I think he's referring to Werner finally fixing that neocon bug. Jun 06 03:37:28 morning Jun 06 04:31:28 hello,i install gpsdrive, but it's windows too large to only show a little in my screen Jun 06 04:32:02 hello,i install gpsdrive, but it's windows too large to show all windows in my screen Jun 06 05:00:30 MouseBerry: most applications will require some GUI tweaking to fit the neo screens. Jun 06 05:09:45 thank you for attention,but i install it use opkg,so it should fit the screen already Jun 06 05:13:36 I wish it were so. Many of the apps in the package feeds are not updated for the Neo specifically yet. They merely build (and probably run on other ARM-based devices, as the repository builds the feeds for a number of different projects and devices). Jun 06 06:19:46 good morning Jun 06 06:26:17 good morning Jun 06 06:29:37 mwester: so basically you're required to build your own package db? -.- Jun 06 06:30:41 tomboy64: ? Jun 06 06:32:38 mwester: if the packages are not prepared for the om by upstrem or by oe - how will i get them fitting for my om? will i have to do that on my own? Jun 06 06:34:39 If the software in question requires tuning or theming for Openmoko, then somebody has to do that. There are relatively few packages where that effort has been invested to date. Jun 06 06:35:16 There are a lot of packages where someone has invested a little bit of effort to at least make sure they build for the neo. Jun 06 06:36:17 And somewhere in the middle is the set of packages where someone has built them, and made sure they install, and perhaps they have documented (on the wiki, maybe?) some tweaks or changes that make it work better on the neo. Jun 06 06:37:00 Over time, the first set (fully tuned and themed) will grow, but I would always expect that there will be some set of apps in the second and third categories. Jun 06 06:37:14 Take a look at the software for the Nokia tablets for a good example. Jun 06 06:41:24 can you build native stuff for them? Jun 06 06:41:31 the n8something series Jun 06 06:53:52 tomboy64: I suspect that you can compile natively on the N800 devices. But I was more referring to the set of software availalble for them -- they have the same "graduated" set of applications; the ones that are fully themed and look fabulous, the ones that just work, but aren't themed, and the ones that are compiled for them, but may not (yet) be usable because of screen size or other UI issues. Jun 06 06:54:48 ah, ok Jun 06 06:55:45 thx for the enlightenment :) Jun 06 06:55:52 but now i gotta go Jun 06 06:55:55 cu later Jun 06 07:02:48 hi all Jun 06 08:03:41 anyone with a freerunner here..would like to know the sysfs node for power Jun 06 08:08:09 ~trout everyone for sleeping Jun 06 08:08:13 * apt_ slaps everyone for sleeping around a bit with a large trout! Jun 06 08:08:22 Sup3rkiddo: as in battery? Jun 06 08:08:58 raster, yeah.....in my laptop it is in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 with all the information Jun 06 08:10:08 same with freerunner Jun 06 08:10:15 well not BAT1 Jun 06 08:10:28 but if u handle the power_supply class correctly - it wotks on laptop and freerunner Jun 06 08:10:33 works Jun 06 08:10:55 if u want code that does that... i can point you to some... Jun 06 08:11:13 raster, code which gets information? Jun 06 08:11:27 raster, i am supposed to do that as part of this year's SoC :D Jun 06 08:11:49 hi, is there any other way to get the QEMU src than via svn? Jun 06 08:11:50 yes Jun 06 08:11:57 http://www.enlightenment.org/viewvc/e17/apps/e/src/modules/battery/batget.c?view=markup Jun 06 08:11:59 done Jun 06 08:12:27 raster, for the backlight, i just used good old fprintf and fscanf and got away with it Jun 06 08:12:42 thats easy Jun 06 08:12:43 :) Jun 06 08:12:49 bah.. Jun 06 08:12:51 <-- noob Jun 06 08:12:52 not sure what u are doing Jun 06 08:12:59 raster, the neod replacement Jun 06 08:13:05 ooh Jun 06 08:13:06 neod Jun 06 08:13:15 i just use e's own battery module Jun 06 08:13:19 it already does the stuff anyway Jun 06 08:13:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r83f588a9c696 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] We can now properly name the source directory do so Jun 06 08:13:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb7654768a681 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/03_group_infomation.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add patch to packagekit. Jun 06 08:13:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4770a14adf3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: [srcdate] Update efl Jun 06 08:13:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18943ab3a95e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [illume] Update to r111 Jun 06 08:13:27 raster, yeah.. Jun 06 08:13:28 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3571f6d47b15 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Upgrade to get a version with some new dbus interfaces needed for exposure Jun 06 08:13:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r07fd5fdabf8e 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Modify the hint of building information. Jun 06 08:13:34 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb7038bc5d744 10/packages/gypsy/ (gypsy.inc gypsy_svn.bb): [gypsy] gypsy DEPENDS on libxslt-native, actually commit right file this Jun 06 08:13:37 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fe79f458d38 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Jun 06 08:13:38 as newer kernels on laptops use the new api Jun 06 08:13:40 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r76296aa81bf1 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev Jun 06 08:13:43 instead of acpi Jun 06 08:13:53 for a while we didnt have apm emulation in the kenrle Jun 06 08:13:54 raster, funny that code you pointed gives me a sense of deja vu Jun 06 08:13:58 so this was the onyl way to get the info Jun 06 08:14:08 sysfs is cool Jun 06 08:14:18 just one entry per file and you get to play god Jun 06 08:14:56 beware Jun 06 08:15:00 not all is as nics as u'd like Jun 06 08:15:09 some entroies block on reads a lot Jun 06 08:15:11 ie are slow Jun 06 08:15:14 entries Jun 06 08:15:22 so reading more thna u have to is generay a bad idea Jun 06 08:15:27 oooh...thanks for the headsup Jun 06 08:16:11 raster, i was thinking of a caching entries that won't change...max_brightness, device_manufcturer and all that...just read once when the plugins are loaded Jun 06 08:16:21 yup Jun 06 08:16:24 have a init stage Jun 06 08:16:34 where u read things that are not (likely) to change Jun 06 08:16:43 and a poll call Jun 06 08:16:49 u will also want some"event" callback Jun 06 08:17:07 which means somthing may (or may not) deliver an event laterthat may mean u need to re-init Jun 06 08:17:13 raster, yeah, for things like battery where i need to monitor stuff? Jun 06 08:17:18 (eg someone rips battery out and puts it in - that'd be an event - well 2) Jun 06 08:17:26 see the code i poined to Jun 06 08:17:28 the uevent file Jun 06 08:17:32 raster, i have never been this lower down the foodchain Jun 06 08:17:33 grep for it :) Jun 06 08:17:38 raster, i will take a look..thanks Jun 06 08:17:48 everything u need is there in the code Jun 06 08:18:01 it simplifies battery info fetching into a set of simple values Jun 06 08:18:11 raster, i see Jun 06 08:18:14 if u have multiple batteries it just averages their capacity etc. Jun 06 08:18:20 so it may look more complex than u like Jun 06 08:18:41 i understand... Jun 06 08:18:55 * Sup3rkiddo badly wants a freerunner to test things out =( Jun 06 08:19:30 raster, heres the code btw, in case you are curious...http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary would love to have suggestions when you are free Jun 06 08:24:58 sheeprushprush! Jun 06 08:27:51 Sup3rkiddo: Won't happen. raster is too busy fending off all the girls that drool over his looks and his accent Jun 06 08:28:49 abraxa__, bleh....so i am the only one single in here Jun 06 08:29:37 Sup3rkiddo: Nah :) Jun 06 08:29:49 abraxa__, ok that makes two of us Jun 06 08:30:20 Actually I was refering to other people ;x Jun 06 08:30:35 oh =|, Jun 06 08:38:32 Oohh.. Freerunners being produced :) Jun 06 08:38:47 ScaredyCat: Thanks for the notification ;) Jun 06 08:43:02 someone pressed the button finally :-) Jun 06 08:55:48 girls drool over rasters accent? Jun 06 09:03:31 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r29437da04da1 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Code cleanup and commenting. Jun 06 09:08:05 http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-congratulations1.jpg Jun 06 09:08:08 roflmao Jun 06 09:08:12 np CM Jun 06 09:09:04 * ScaredyCat posts the abraxa__ Sup3rkiddo conversation to bash.org Jun 06 09:11:46 is there a french chanel for openmoko ? Jun 06 09:13:05 leopenmoko ... Jun 06 09:13:13 sorry, I'll get my coat Jun 06 09:14:50 :) Jun 06 09:15:15 i was thinking of something like #openmoko-fr, but nope Jun 06 09:16:54 hi Jun 06 09:16:57 hello Jun 06 09:16:58 :D Jun 06 09:17:07 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r89ce0a661565 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] Bump the revision of diversity-nav to 421 Jun 06 09:17:07 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6987716dd7f0 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [diversity] Add splinter. Jun 06 09:17:08 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3c51dd0a9e81 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add splinter into openmoko-feed Jun 06 09:17:10 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r130fdee6502e 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Splinter replaced diversity-nav in task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 Jun 06 09:17:13 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r15b4c27266f0 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: [diversity] Splinter replaced diversity-nav to use AUTOREV Jun 06 09:34:45 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * ra5ee427be593 10/src/ (main.c modem.c modem_internal.h): Minor rename to fix compile error. Jun 06 09:47:49 freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r53e0be27e1ab 10/ (17 files in 5 dirs): Work on separating serial port control from vendor plugins to serial plugins Jun 06 09:57:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rba868a61ef02 10/ (AUTHORS TODO setup.py): python-ophoned: fix setup Jun 06 10:04:11 weeeeeeeeeeeeeee Jun 06 10:04:25 ola SC Jun 06 10:04:33 lo roh Jun 06 10:04:35 wow... did a country just get nuked? Jun 06 10:04:47 xcalie ? Jun 06 10:04:55 seen a mushroomcloud nearby? Jun 06 10:05:05 random mass exit Jun 06 10:05:18 if your flesh it melting, it's nearby Jun 06 10:05:29 nope heinlein.freenode.net is just splitty Jun 06 11:05:19 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r9afdd2577459 10/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Began updating dbus methods to match fso otapi's current state. Jun 06 11:16:02 * ScaredyCat drops a pin Jun 06 11:16:14 booom Jun 06 11:21:56 ~fish Bish for farting Jun 06 11:21:57 * apt_ slaps Bish for farting around with a large trout Jun 06 11:22:03 :/ Jun 06 11:22:30 * Bish wants freerunner Jun 06 11:22:56 farting around ? Jun 06 11:23:05 there's a difference Jun 06 11:24:47 ~fish Sup3rkiddo for highlighting me ;) Jun 06 11:24:48 * apt_ slaps Sup3rkiddo for highlighting me ;) around with a large trout Jun 06 11:25:07 is fish_ is a bot? Jun 06 11:25:18 no! Jun 06 11:26:07 i'm a pretty good AI irc bot :P Jun 06 11:26:22 he's an AI fish Jun 06 11:26:35 like the one sony (i think) build Jun 06 11:27:02 * Sup3rkiddo makes sushi out of fish_ and cobbles *it* Jun 06 11:27:08 *gobbles :) Jun 06 11:27:26 hmmm.... if a qvga frame occupies 113kb of space, the freerunner should be able to do 60fps qvga and 15 or so vga Jun 06 11:27:45 that doesnt sound _that_ bad Jun 06 11:29:57 that's only if not using cpu Jun 06 11:30:03 or SD Jun 06 11:30:33 true, but it still sounds like 30fps @ qvga is possible Jun 06 11:30:47 Use 50% of CPU, and that takes it down to 30FPS qvga - use 10% for audio, and you're at 25fps Jun 06 11:31:01 25fps looks barely possible. Jun 06 11:31:14 19 fps according to raster Jun 06 11:31:32 ah crap.. does the buildroot uses some tempdir outside its own dir? Jun 06 11:31:36 but balrog_kun is working on enabling hardware mpeg4 Jun 06 11:31:40 yeah Jun 06 11:31:51 ~fish glamo for not doing dma Jun 06 11:31:51 * SpeedEvil passes balrog-k1n a lump of really nice cheese. Jun 06 11:31:52 * apt_ slaps glamo for not doing dma around with a large trout Jun 06 11:32:03 cbrake_away: as I understand it, it can do DMA Jun 06 11:32:14 SpeedEvil: yeah, but really badly Jun 06 11:32:16 cb22: but it's a hair slower than non-DMA Jun 06 11:32:23 cbrake_away: and wedges the RAM anyway Jun 06 11:32:56 * SpeedEvil sighs Jun 06 11:33:04 i just did a 'make openmoko-devel-image' and now my / disk is full and my build aborted Jun 06 11:33:12 that means freerunners video is bullshit! Jun 06 11:33:29 Bish: with hardare decode, it's OK Jun 06 11:33:37 yes it does, shout it from the rooftops why don't ya Jun 06 11:33:40 define OK please Jun 06 11:34:24 Bish: aceptable video rate at QVGA, without too much CPU load Jun 06 11:35:14 The video hardware has significant problems. Jun 06 11:36:17 openmoko: 03matt_hsu * r4478 10/developers/matt_hsu/: Added new file for developer - matt. Jun 06 11:36:21 SpeedEvil: wedges the ram? Jun 06 11:36:56 cb22: DMA works - but it stalls all other RAM access while it's ongoing Jun 06 11:37:07 cb22: so there is basically no gain over PIO. Jun 06 11:37:13 cb22: as I understand it Jun 06 11:37:49 openmoko: 03matt_hsu * r4479 10/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ (. Makefile agps-onlinec.c agps-onlinec.h ubx.c ubx.h): tiny agps client Jun 06 11:39:58 qvga is 320x240 right?= Jun 06 11:40:06 yes Jun 06 11:40:31 thats freakin bad Jun 06 11:40:37 i hoped for more in freerunner Jun 06 11:42:10 In practice, it's hard to tell from VGA unless you've got the phone really close, and it's still. Jun 06 11:42:41 really close as in under 25-30cm Jun 06 11:43:30 cb22: what res are the videos you've been encoding? Jun 06 11:43:49 gta03's new gsm modem, does anyone know if it's gonna have 3G? Jun 06 11:44:01 cb22: and chow much CPU do they take to decode Jun 06 11:44:02 igor321: no Jun 06 11:44:19 but it is going to be a new module? Jun 06 11:44:24 igor321: GTA03 is simply GTA02 with the glamo ripped out (and some other minor changes) Jun 06 11:44:39 Same modem Jun 06 11:44:52 that's not what raster said on the list Jun 06 11:44:54 * XorA images a blackened hole where glamo was burned from design Jun 06 11:45:01 igor321: it's not? Jun 06 11:45:14 i think it's not... Jun 06 11:45:14 SpeedEvil: well, they are really low res, and they can play back on the neo with no scaling quite easily Jun 06 11:45:17 i preodered a freerunner froma re seller,, which one will i get ? SpeedEvil Jun 06 11:45:20 igor321: gta03 is the next design due to hit the pipes - last I knew. Jun 06 11:45:33 lemme check and i'll let you know Jun 06 11:45:39 igor321: gta04 is the one that does not have completely frozen features Jun 06 11:45:40 SpeedEvil: but if theres one thing i hear the glamo can do decently, its hardware scaling Jun 06 11:46:01 160x128 -> 640x480 Jun 06 11:46:03 cb22: I was idly wondering on future devices with a camera, and videophone Jun 06 11:46:25 Actually, on reflection, videophone over GPRS may be painful. Jun 06 11:46:38 lol Jun 06 11:46:59 Due to the delay - not the quality so much Jun 06 11:47:11 SpeedEvil: yeah, same problem with voip Jun 06 11:47:41 igor321: which list - hardware? Jun 06 11:47:55 5fps mpeg4 at 20kb/s with 8kb/s speex codec Jun 06 11:47:56 "but even Jun 06 11:47:57 internally the most i have managed to do, i think, is influence the glamo to Jun 06 11:47:57 vanish from the gta03, but otherwise we have what we have now (just a new case, Jun 06 11:47:57 different battery, added a camera, a different gsm module). Jun 06 11:47:57 " Jun 06 11:48:06 SpeedEvli: no, community Jun 06 11:48:20 igor321: ah Jun 06 11:48:29 igor321: I missed that. Jun 06 11:48:45 Though different does not mean faster, it might mean quadband forex Jun 06 11:48:48 igor321: hrm, i also missed it, you have a link? Jun 06 11:49:01 those are some quite bit changes downlplayed, right? Jun 06 11:49:01 IMO 3G is unlikely, as there are many worldwide standards. Jun 06 11:49:10 cb22: just a sec Jun 06 11:49:16 edge maybe? Jun 06 11:49:24 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018546.html Jun 06 11:49:25 thanks Jun 06 11:49:27 edge is much more likely Jun 06 11:49:28 here you go Jun 06 11:49:36 (than 3g) Jun 06 11:49:52 i also believe that Jun 06 11:50:02 i was at a presentation of haralds Jun 06 11:50:26 and he said that they would like to do 3G but can't cause the chip makers don't wanna sell to hem Jun 06 11:50:28 *them Jun 06 11:50:37 That's the other problem. Jun 06 11:50:48 'we want to buy 5000' Jun 06 11:50:54 the main problem with 3g is the pre-made modules are too big to fit Jun 06 11:50:55 'add a couple of zeros, and sure' Jun 06 11:51:11 i don't believe it's only that Jun 06 11:51:17 igor321: no Jun 06 11:51:19 it's more to do with politics Jun 06 11:51:44 igor321: on some of the chipsets, there are allocation problems, and some of them are designed as unified 3G/application processors. Jun 06 11:51:46 will i be happy with my freerunner? Jun 06 11:51:55 Bish: what do you expect of it? Jun 06 11:52:05 we will be very happy, you and me both :) Jun 06 11:52:24 * cb22 wonders what the gta03 will look like Jun 06 11:52:35 and what spec camera, i heard a 3mp or 2mp Jun 06 11:52:41 well joerg said it looks like a million dollars Jun 06 11:52:58 SpeedEvil: playing unreal tournement on it ! Jun 06 11:53:02 At the moment it's a linux box with a modem the speed of a 1990s one, a 16 bit ISA video card from the 90s, ... Jun 06 11:53:03 not at all like a hockey puck :) Jun 06 11:53:23 cbrake_away: there are lots of cheapish 2MP cameras Jun 06 11:53:26 SpeedEvil: alinux box o the 90 xD with wifi Jun 06 11:53:29 if the 03 doesn't have a keyboard I'm not buying it Jun 06 11:53:30 cb22: I've not seen 3MP Jun 06 11:53:41 cb22: cheap Jun 06 11:53:48 SpeedEvil: any idea on how it would be connected? i heard there was a shortage of buses going around Jun 06 11:53:56 Naah. Jun 06 11:54:03 There is a dedicated camera bus Jun 06 11:54:11 i also wonder that Jun 06 11:54:16 On the GTA02 processor Jun 06 11:54:18 on the soc? Jun 06 11:54:21 aha Jun 06 11:54:26 yeah, s3c24xx series CPU already have cam controller Jun 06 11:54:40 Supports something like 12MP cameras in principle Jun 06 11:54:44 bottom right connector on the smdk24xx boards :-) Jun 06 11:54:46 Or somethign silly anyway Jun 06 11:54:56 * cb22 wants a damn s3c6400 based device already :( Jun 06 11:55:03 XorA: I assume cam connectors aren't brought out on GTA02? Jun 06 11:55:21 SpeedEvil: Ill bet some of the GPIO are used for other stuff Jun 06 11:55:28 Prolly. Jun 06 11:55:34 XorA: so no hacking a camera onto it? Jun 06 11:55:38 s/onto/into/ Jun 06 11:55:38 cb22 meant: XorA: so no hacking a camera into it? Jun 06 11:55:41 cb22: use usb Jun 06 11:56:08 cb22: uvcvideo ones come pretty small these days Jun 06 11:56:09 * SpeedEvil wishes the debug connector had USB Jun 06 11:56:09 yeah, but usb is so... passe :p Jun 06 11:56:15 And slow Jun 06 11:56:55 slow is a problem as due to the design of most cameras, they expose and send over USB ithout any buffer RAM Jun 06 11:57:14 They cant' snapshot into RAM, then feed the image back slowly Jun 06 11:57:22 heh,8-bit isa is faster then the glamo's bus Jun 06 11:57:44 cbL: not quite Jun 06 11:57:50 cbrake_away: 16 bit, yes Jun 06 11:58:09 * SpeedEvil apologises to cbrake_away. Jun 06 11:58:11 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 06 11:58:25 SpeedEvil: is it 7 megabits / s or megabytes / s Jun 06 11:58:30 SpeedEvil: heh -- to many cb*'s :-) Jun 06 11:58:38 cbrake_away: hehe :) Jun 06 12:02:43 i'm curious did anyone ever like got the total number of people from the groupsales and the buying interest wikis? Jun 06 12:03:04 anyone have a link to an x11 atopia image Jun 06 12:03:08 q Jun 06 12:03:22 ScaredyCat: http://localhost Jun 06 12:03:33 ~cook cb22 Jun 06 12:03:34 * apt_ throws cb22 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks cb22 on 350 for an hour Jun 06 12:05:13 i'm not sure but i'd say there are something like 500 people only on the group sales list Jun 06 12:07:37 just over 650 on the list.. and alot are buying multiple items Jun 06 12:08:11 * ScaredyCat huffs Jun 06 12:08:22 cb22: megabytes Jun 06 12:11:07 that's great, most of these early people are gonna be so into making improving the FR, i think it's really gonna pwn Jun 06 12:11:52 * cb22 wants freerunner Jun 06 12:11:58 is there are target in the MokoMakefile that builds the ASU sw for gta01? Jun 06 12:12:10 SpeedEvil: ah, thanks Jun 06 12:12:45 cbrake: try openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Jun 06 12:12:52 ScaredyCat: ok, thanks Jun 06 12:13:14 I can't get it to build, you may have some success Jun 06 12:13:28 ScaredyCat: use more buildfu Jun 06 12:17:02 builds here and there --> Jun 06 12:19:17 * ScaredyCat rolls XorA into a tube and stuffs him onto the London underground Jun 06 12:20:14 * Weiss segfaults Jun 06 12:21:09 ScaredyCat: noooo, there is no alcohol there Jun 06 12:21:37 * ScaredyCat wraps XorA in a tramps coat Jun 06 12:27:26 * ScaredyCat stabs whoever just updated the qt x11 bb file Jun 06 12:29:07 * cb22 watches some random person run out of Openmoko with a knife stuck in him Jun 06 12:36:43 mickey|zzZZzz: I built the fso-images successfully but it won't boot on kaiser. I think a problem is that it is compressed too much. Removing a few things from the filesystem got it 6M smaller Jun 06 12:38:33 * ScaredyCat prods XorA continuously Jun 06 12:38:54 ScaredyCat: wasnt me Jun 06 12:39:40 * cb22 sets mode -prodder on ScaredyCat Jun 06 12:39:54 * ScaredyCat mutters Jun 06 12:40:11 * ScaredyCat motions to the poster on the wall Jun 06 12:43:12 XorA: the initrd which boots is in .cpio.gz 20M and extracted 70M so the above doesn't make much sense. What's very odd is that I can't even boot a 16M X11-image but 12M console-image. The console-image almost always boots Jun 06 12:43:23 oe metadata won't even parse for openmoko!!: http://pastebin.ca/1040346 Jun 06 12:44:10 dcordes_: the only thing I can think of is haret isnt configuring stuff right Jun 06 12:44:14 * ScaredyCat points cbrake to ScaredyCat's previous biatching Jun 06 12:45:03 XorA: I don't know what it should configure differently for an 16M X11 vs 12M console-image. Maybe I have something in the console-image which does the trick. Will compare the two Jun 06 12:46:22 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f3d67f57288 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] SRCPV isnt in .dev yet Jun 06 12:46:34 * XorA whistles innocently about qtopia Jun 06 12:47:29 (To the tune of The Macarena) Jun 06 13:00:53 XorA: haret wants zImage+initrd(on initial boot) sizes not larger than 25M Jun 06 13:01:15 I just try to boot it in .cpio not .cpio.gz but that's 20M too big Jun 06 13:02:56 * cb22 is tripping on e Jun 06 13:02:59 e17, that is Jun 06 13:04:21 e17 is pretty unstable Jun 06 13:04:27 and yet I use it all the time Jun 06 13:15:22 ¡ɐɹox ɹoɟ ʎɐʎ Jun 06 13:18:38 ¿ʇnʍ Jun 06 13:19:17 oO Jun 06 13:21:57 when did oe go from being a useable build system to being a sack of shite that relies on downloading pre-packaged cvs extracts? Jun 06 13:23:16 ScaredyCat: when E was added Jun 06 13:23:24 :/ Jun 06 13:23:39 * ScaredyCat pokes random people with an Edam Jun 06 13:23:39 there is no E release, so about 1000 cvs checkouts instead Jun 06 13:24:16 doesn't help when the e cvs server doesn't repond :( Jun 06 13:28:08 i guess I'll change our EFL packages to fetch from git Jun 06 13:31:29 mickey|zzZZzz: hi. fso doesn't boot on kaiser. see above Jun 06 13:32:16 dcordes_: which things did you remove? Jun 06 13:32:33 what's the upper limit for Kaiser? i can try to make an fso-image-light Jun 06 13:32:52 mickey|zzZZzz: /boot/zImage because this is loaded by haret anyway and all ringtones. Jun 06 13:33:25 mickey|zzZZzz: I don't know. I think it depends on the current usage by wince. I'm currently trying to flash a different wince rom than stock one so I can free some more. Jun 06 13:33:59 There are plenty custom ones which are way more cleaned up. People say they can boot the other ramdisks perfectly reliable on those Jun 06 13:34:51 fso-image-light would be great. Just try and make it as small as possible. Maybe that combined with more free ram will do the trick Jun 06 13:35:59 dcordes_: just get that SD driver working :-D Jun 06 13:36:00 ok, i will do that. the wav ringtones will go away anyways Jun 06 13:36:08 the stock image will feature .sid ringtones Jun 06 13:36:14 :D Jun 06 13:36:23 sid, yuck, get some .ay ones Jun 06 13:36:35 sid? Jun 06 13:36:43 sid == C64 music Jun 06 13:36:54 haha Jun 06 13:37:11 no joke. .sid sounds better than the ubiquitous OPL FM chip Jun 06 13:37:15 * XorA wants his phone to boot while playing Jesus on Es Jun 06 13:37:38 * mickey|zzZZzz wants 'Crazy Comets' as ringtone Jun 06 13:38:08 International Karate. Jun 06 13:38:16 yeah Jun 06 13:39:11 XorA: yea sure if you tell me how. Jun 06 13:40:13 reminds me, must update speccy emulator on gp2x Jun 06 13:40:24 pity the C64 ones are all gash or too slow Jun 06 13:40:48 make a better one? :D Jun 06 13:41:00 * XorA never owned a C64 Jun 06 13:41:24 VICE is good, but only runs at 50% on 200Mhz arm Jun 06 13:41:38 frodo is gash but runs full speed Jun 06 13:42:26 yay for sid ringtones! Jun 06 13:42:47 mickey|zzZZzz: why not a mod player for ringtones? Jun 06 13:42:56 mickey|zzZZzz: then you can ship your master peices Jun 06 13:43:25 * XorA wonders if he still has "wub wub" on disk somewhere Jun 06 13:44:37 XorA: absolutely. sid and mod support will be included. just that the .mods are much larger than the .sids Jun 06 13:44:42 Does anyone know how to switch back to the openmoko keyboard? I tried running opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod but it can't find the packages Jun 06 13:45:40 * XorA has fond memories of sample playing on zx sound chip Jun 06 13:52:57 catnip:/home/moko/sid/Hubbard_Rob> sidplayer Zoids.sid Jun 06 13:53:00 :D Jun 06 13:54:05 :))) Jun 06 14:07:50 mickey|zzZZzz: can you ping me when you found time for the fso light? Jun 06 14:10:26 sure thing. on schedule for weekend Jun 06 14:15:28 mickey|zzZZzz: basically an openmoko-fso-debug image would sufice. one which only matches the requirements to start the gui Jun 06 14:16:47 ok, so without any daemons. we're just looking to start X into UI for a start? Jun 06 14:25:03 mickey|zzZZzz yes right. Probably would be the best to not boot with all the efl python stuff and simply have X Jun 06 14:25:52 I wanted to make an angstrom console-image with X11 added (no X applications, just raw X with startup scripts and such) but I didn't know how Jun 06 14:26:56 as I mentioned above, the 12M console image boots just fine. I even see the angstrom psplash and I can't imagine any reason why this shouldn't work with a small Xserver on top Jun 06 14:27:44 of course I tried x11-image first but that doesn't boot either Jun 06 14:29:18 Hi all Jun 06 14:30:47 I have a little question : I try to launch openmoko system under qemu, but I can't launch X server, And it always says that there is no space left on the device, so how can I say to qemu that there it has to allow more space ? Jun 06 14:53:47 nobody ? Jun 06 14:56:50 damunix: I have the same problem =/ Jun 06 14:57:48 ok :) Jun 06 14:58:24 and I don't have a neo to try :) Jun 06 14:59:13 yeap... I'm just dreamming with one (ant trying to run openmoko on a treo 680 device) Jun 06 15:00:25 lol Jun 06 15:00:53 I would like to try the qtopia version, do you know any img file which one I can try ? Jun 06 15:01:45 take a look at http://hackndev.com/ Jun 06 15:02:01 lunch time \o/ see ya Jun 06 15:02:55 thanks ! Jun 06 15:17:46 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r73bf66217d78 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Remove Tag of enlazar-qh, kobodeluxe Jun 06 15:17:47 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r440b6b97e8a8 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] add Openmoko community repository bbfile. Jun 06 15:21:22 i'm pretty new to openmoko/openembedded/mokomakefile. i just tried to build openmoko the first time and it failed because my hdd was full (at least i guess). now i try to run 'make openmoko-devel-image' again and i get this: ERROR: log data follows (/data/Data/openmoko/build/tmp/work/om-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080606-r0/temp/log.do_configure.25529) Jun 06 15:21:28 | cp: cannot stat `/data/Data/openmoko/build/tmp/work/om-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080606-r0/git/defconfig-gta01': No such file or directory Jun 06 15:22:16 use bitbake -c clean Jun 06 15:22:31 (or rebuild) Jun 06 15:22:31 k, thx Jun 06 15:22:56 cd build && bitbake -c clean linux-openmoko Jun 06 15:24:07 then just cd ../ and do your make again... Jun 06 15:24:18 you need quite a bit of disk space Jun 06 15:24:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb49d4895bc99 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] add Openmoko community repository bbfile. Jun 06 15:26:13 ScaredyCat: does the buildsystem put data somewhere outside the builddir? Jun 06 15:26:25 (in my case /data/Data/openmoko/) Jun 06 15:27:01 it looks like thats the case, because on /data should be enough free space Jun 06 15:27:15 no Jun 06 15:27:19 but on / is only about 300MB left... Jun 06 15:27:33 you can use symlinks Jun 06 15:27:33 strange.. Jun 06 15:27:57 no, everthing is fine if all data is put under /data/Data/openmoko.. Jun 06 15:28:00 fish_: it may be using ccache Jun 06 15:28:06 yes ... Jun 06 15:28:12 mmontour: ah! Jun 06 15:28:14 ccache -C Jun 06 15:28:19 mmontour: thats possible, good hint Jun 06 15:28:21