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Jun 09 06:27:33 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd4d331f01316 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] As Marek's request.
Jun 09 06:53:14 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r9c139f64476c 10/odeviced/plugins/backlight/ (backlight.c backlight.h backlight.vala): Refactor .vala to generate fresh .c/.h
Jun 09 07:02:31 <gcb77> mwester: did you open a bug regarding opkg segfault?
Jun 09 07:03:55 <gcb77> I've been trying out different snapshots... 2008_05_30 works ok, 2008_06_04 does not (segfault on "opkg install gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk)
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Jun 09 07:25:16 <ScaredyCat> !logs
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Jun 09 07:31:55 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rce0c27d23019 10/odeviced/ (43 files in 12 dirs): change directory structure of the sources
Jun 09 07:35:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * redd2e246060f 10/odeviced/src/Makefile.am: oops add missing Makefile.am
Jun 09 08:54:03 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9b4532c097a0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevc] Bump up revision of assassin to 160.
Jun 09 10:19:29 <ScaredyCat> eeee eeeee eeee umum away....
Jun 09 10:19:44 <ScaredyCat> a wim way 
Jun 09 10:19:45 <ScaredyCat> a wim way 
Jun 09 10:19:47 <ScaredyCat> a wim way 
Jun 09 10:19:48 <ScaredyCat> a wim way 
Jun 09 10:39:23 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r6289bdc4f9f2 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Initial fso muxer support
Jun 09 10:39:27 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen * r963f34df8fa3 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 09 10:39:27 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Fixed network Status signal signature
Jun 09 10:39:27 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: Fixed network and device tests
Jun 09 11:41:35 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r86a00c402edb 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
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Jun 09 12:03:11 <mohamed_> hi all, does any one know where can I find the u-boot board configuration file for Neo 1973
Jun 09 12:03:13 <mohamed_> ?
Jun 09 12:15:58 <mohamed_> hi all, does anyone know what is the type of the Neo 1973 board ? is it SAMSUNG SMDK2410 Board ?
Jun 09 12:16:40 <mohamed_> or from where to get such information ?
Jun 09 12:25:51 <balrog-kun> mohamed_: nope, that's an evaluation board
Jun 09 12:26:16 <balrog-kun> mohamed_: are you building u-boot?
Jun 09 12:26:34 <balrog-kun> there's a defconfig available somewhere, similar to linux defconfigs
Jun 09 12:27:00 <mohamed_> balrog-kun: yes I'm building u-boot, and I need to run it to run a standalone application 
Jun 09 12:27:08 <balrog-kun> i think you just needed to execute something like "make gta01" or something to configure it
Jun 09 12:28:23 <balrog-kun> make gta01bv4_config
Jun 09 12:28:45 <mohamed_> balrog-kun: yes that's what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to create a board configuration file for fic-gta01 to build the u-boot using this configuration
Jun 09 12:29:13 <balrog-kun> mohamed_: it already exists
Jun 09 12:30:07 <mohamed_> balrog-kun: I couldn't find it in the u-boot sources, could you show me where can I find it ?
Jun 09 12:30:43 <balrog-kun> mohamed_: you need the sources from http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=summary
Jun 09 12:31:07 <balrog-kun> andy branch i think
Jun 09 12:37:50 <mohamed> balrog-kun: I have openmoko build on my PC can I find in it the patch which modifies or creates the gta01 configuration file ?
Jun 09 12:38:24 <balrog-kun> mohamed: yeah, it's somewhere there
Jun 09 12:38:48 <balrog-kun> should be easy to find (but you really just need to execute "make gta01bv4_config")
Jun 09 12:41:04 <mohamed> balrog-kun: yes, I know, but before executing "make gta01bv4_config" I have to have the gta01bv4.h file, which is not available in the u-boot sources
Jun 09 12:41:47 <balrog-kun> mohamed: strange, there should be everything you need
Jun 09 12:42:31 <balrog-kun> mohamed: i built u-boot without problems using just the openmoko sources
Jun 09 12:43:30 <mohamed> balrog-kun: the original u-boot sources from sourceforge doesn't contain the gta01bv4.h file for sure as it must have been created by openmoko team
Jun 09 12:44:06 <balrog-kun> mohamed: right, the original u-boot sources don't contain many more things, that's why you apply openmoko patches on top of them
Jun 09 12:45:05 <mohamed> balrog-kun: my situation is different I don't want to build u-boot, I want to build u-boot to run a standalone application on Neo 1973
Jun 09 12:46:24 <balrog-kun> mohamed: that's no different - you will need all the files added to u-boot by openmoko anyway, if you want to run u-boot on a neo1973
Jun 09 12:48:27 <mohamed> balrog-kun: but these patches make u-boot run openmoko and not a standalone application, am I right ?
Jun 09 12:49:36 <balrog-kun> mohamed: no, they just make u-boot compatible with the neo1973 hardware - they will end up in mainline (e.g. sourceforge) u-boot one day
Jun 09 12:51:05 <mohamed> balrog-kun: great, that means by applying the openmoko patches to the u-boot sources I can run a standalone application on u-boot ?
Jun 09 12:51:45 * XorA is really puzzled now
Jun 09 12:51:53 <balrog-kun> mohamed: yeah
Jun 09 12:52:09 <balrog-kun> they don't change u-boot in any way, except hardware support
Jun 09 12:52:43 <balrog-kun> and menu support :)
Jun 09 12:54:46 <mohamed> balrog-kun: that's really great, you saved me alot of time, thanks alot for your time, but what is menu support ;)
Jun 09 12:56:09 <mohamed> balrog-kun: you mean the menu which appears on the start of the openmoko, where we can choose boot, ... etc ?
Jun 09 12:58:56 <balrog-kun> mohamed: yes, it's a new feature i think, but it may have been merged upstream already, i'm not sure
Jun 09 12:59:13 <balrog-kun> mohamed: openmoko added some features but they are all optional, nothing is being taken away
Jun 09 12:59:51 <balrog-kun> the menu lets you define some menu entries like the boot menu on neo1973 and attach a u-boot command to every entry
Jun 09 13:02:02 <mohamed> balrog-kun: ah, you mean that the menu is programmable, but I think I will use u-boot directly, my goal is to run the standalone application
Jun 09 13:02:14 <SpeedEvil> xkcd.com relevant cartoon is relevant
Jun 09 13:02:35 <balrog-kun> mohamed: the menu look, the commands, the bootsplash, are defined only by the environment variables, by default everything is disabled and you can ignore it
Jun 09 13:04:04 <mohamed> balrog-kun: everything is disabled even after applying all the openmoko patches ?
Jun 09 13:04:27 <balrog-kun> mohamed: yeah, i think so
Jun 09 13:04:39 <balrog-kun> mohamed: these patches are prepared for merging upstream
Jun 09 13:20:48 <kdubois> will the freerunner work with both at&t and t-mobile (in the US)? i heard that one gsm band is unsupported, and dont know what implications that has
Jun 09 13:24:40 <XorA> kdubois: there is a USA version
Jun 09 13:26:51 <kdubois> alright, cool. i'm lucky my 2 year contract with a cdma provider expires this week :D
Jun 09 13:28:27 <XorA> kdubois: dont expect a phone that has all the shineys of a Samsung/Nokia just yet though
Jun 09 13:28:50 <wurp2|away> XorA: But it has a few shineys you just don't find anywhere else
Jun 09 13:28:52 <wurp2|away> Like term
Jun 09 13:29:11 <XorA> wurp2|away: its a greate PDA, phone, not so great
Jun 09 13:29:12 <wurp2|away> Finding out what cell towers are in range & how strong each is
Jun 09 13:29:42 <wurp2|away> XorA: Yeah, the last release I burned took away SMS support :-(
Jun 09 13:29:52 <wurp2|away> I haven't found time to revert to a working one yet
Jun 09 13:29:57 <wurp2|away> s/found/made/
Jun 09 13:29:57 <apt_> wurp2|away meant: I haven't made time to revert to a working one yet
Jun 09 13:30:01 <XorA> hmm, I thought qtopia SMS was working
Jun 09 13:30:08 <wurp2|away> I'm not on ASU
Jun 09 13:30:15 <wurp2|away> Just a late 2007.2
Jun 09 13:31:02 <kdubois> XorA: yeah, i want to do development though, so as long as i can make calls, i dont mind that its not as shiny as my htc phone i have now
Jun 09 13:31:22 <XorA> ASU seems to work pretty well on GTA01 so far, I need to get round to finding a SIM for it
Jun 09 13:32:06 <XorA> kdubois: calls can be made, whether the other person can hear you is the current source of bother
Jun 09 13:36:12 <wurp2|away> It may also have to do with me not having burned the latest kernel to go with the release, but I doubt it since libgsmd-tool shell works fine to read smses
Jun 09 13:36:28 <wurp2|away> gotta go to work
Jun 09 13:36:42 <wurp2|away> XorA: I haven't had trouble with that (in 2007.2), just with echo
Jun 09 13:36:48 <wurp2|away> and sometimes the gsm falls down :-(
Jun 09 13:36:55 <wurp2|away> in which case you just silently stop getting calls
Jun 09 13:37:02 <wurp2|away> *now* I have to go to work
Jun 09 13:39:34 <BDo> Well, I'd join in the development, but right now I just can do nothing but simulation
Jun 09 13:39:55 <BDo> which wouldn't help for the voice problem :-(
Jun 09 13:40:41 <mohamed> balrog-kun: could you tell me how did you applied the u-boot patches, some patch files need to patch non existing files ?
Jun 09 13:47:03 <mohamed> can anyone tell me how to apply openmoko u-boot patches to u-boot sources obtained from sourceforge, please ?
Jun 09 13:49:52 <CVirus> mohamed: are you going to buy the FreeRunner ?
Jun 09 13:50:19 <CVirus> mohamed: you're that Egyptian guy .. right ?
Jun 09 13:50:25 <mohamed> yes, but when it is released of course, I have Neo 1973 now :)
Jun 09 13:50:33 <mohamed> CVirus: yes it's me
Jun 09 13:50:37 <CVirus> mohamed: how are you going to ship it ?
Jun 09 13:50:52 <mohamed> CVirus: FedEx
Jun 09 13:50:59 <CVirus> mohamed: how much would that cost ?
Jun 09 13:51:08 <CVirus> mohamed: and why not UPS ?
Jun 09 13:51:22 <mohamed> CVirus: I don't know UPS 
Jun 09 13:51:38 <CVirus> mohamed: how much did shipping the neo 1973 cost ?
Jun 09 13:52:02 <mohamed> CVirus: 65$
Jun 09 13:52:24 <CVirus> too much
Jun 09 13:53:21 <CVirus> mohamed: dafa3t gamarek ?
Jun 09 13:53:32 <mohamed> CVirus: yes 
Jun 09 13:53:35 <CVirus> mohamed: kam ?
Jun 09 13:53:51 <mohamed> CVirus: 25 %
Jun 09 13:54:02 <CVirus> omg
Jun 09 13:54:15 <CVirus> mohamed: ya3ny you got the neo1973 for like 550% ?
Jun 09 13:54:17 <kdubois> XorA: ill probably pick up a free phone from the provider, just for backup then :P
Jun 09 13:54:20 <CVirus> 550$
Jun 09 13:54:39 <CVirus> fucken country
Jun 09 13:55:09 <mohamed> CVirus: I think a little more, 563$ instead of 443$
Jun 09 13:55:21 <CVirus> holy crap
Jun 09 13:55:47 <CVirus> I'm a student for f*ck's sake
Jun 09 13:56:07 <mohamed> CVirus: :) that's the way things work in Egypt
Jun 09 13:56:43 <CVirus> fuck it
Jun 09 13:57:08 <CVirus> where will be the FreeRunner shipping from ?
Jun 09 13:57:12 <CVirus> what state ?
Jun 09 13:58:20 <kdubois> hopefully somewhere in the midwest :-D
Jun 09 13:58:57 <balrog-kun> mohamed: just use the git sources
Jun 09 13:59:14 <balrog-kun> openmoko git = u-boot git + openmoko patches
Jun 09 14:00:13 <mohamed> balrog-kun: I'm afraid that I'm not experienced with git or how to use it :(
Jun 09 14:02:30 <balrog-kun> you can apply the series with quilt -a anyway (but they probably won't work against sourceforge because it's too old)
Jun 09 14:03:25 <balrog-kun> err, quilt -a push (or similar)
Jun 09 14:04:11 <balrog-kun> http://git.denx.de/u-boot.git <-- this is the official u-boot tree on top of which openmoko patches are made
Jun 09 14:06:39 <mohamed> balrog-kun: sorry, after going to http://git.denx.de/u-boot.git, what should I do ?
Jun 09 14:10:12 <balrog-kun> mohamed: i suggest soemthign like
Jun 09 14:10:13 <balrog-kun> cg-clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git#andy
Jun 09 14:11:42 <mohamed> balrog-kun: is cg-clone is a linux command ?
Jun 09 14:11:58 <mohamed> balrog-kun: is cg-clone command not found ?
Jun 09 14:12:01 <balrog-kun> mohamed: it's a cogito command
Jun 09 14:12:10 <robster> balrog-kun: heyas ;-)
Jun 09 14:12:20 <balrog-kun> hey robster!
Jun 09 14:12:41 <robster> balrog-kun: i saw your blog post, awesome :-)
Jun 09 14:13:23 <balrog-kun> :)
Jun 09 14:13:29 <balrog-kun> mohamed: you can use git clone instead i think
Jun 09 14:13:52 <Bish> brr.. when the f it will come out
Jun 09 14:14:08 <balrog-kun> though i don't know if it lets you download a branch that easily
Jun 09 14:18:12 <mohamed> balrog-kun: I'm a little bit confused now, to make cg-clone run I have to install cogito ? or I can use git clone instead of cg-clone ?
Jun 09 14:19:04 <balrog-kun> mohamed: you will have to try to know for sure, "git clone git://..."
Jun 09 14:19:12 <balrog-kun> mohamed: cogito is nice to have though
Jun 09 14:26:25 * balrog-kun off
Jun 09 14:35:39 <ScaredyCat> today I shall be mostly cooking from the internet
Jun 09 14:42:10 <Tanuva> ScaredyCat: remote-cooking.. sounds fun :D
Jun 09 14:42:22 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 14:43:01 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 14:44:18 <ScaredyCat> if only...
Jun 09 14:45:02 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 14:45:09 <ScaredyCat> I'm cooking from recipies from the net....
Jun 09 14:45:12 <ScaredyCat> ... and ...
Jun 09 14:45:16 <ScaredyCat> I can't actually cook...
Jun 09 14:45:23 <ScaredyCat> so...
Jun 09 14:45:24 <ScaredyCat> errm
Jun 09 14:45:42 <ScaredyCat> well, we'll see
Jun 09 14:52:00 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r9d9d17f2b427 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.h power.vala): added get_max_energy
Jun 09 14:53:45 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 14:55:07 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 14:55:40 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 15:06:16 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r43e1d33595a4 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/power.c: fix incorrect header
Jun 09 15:07:41 <wurp2|away> Bish: They're mass producing now
Jun 09 15:07:53 <wurp2|away> No news on when it ships, but it's gotta be soon...
Jun 09 15:11:15 <Bish> wurp2|away: yeah i know.. i already preodered a freerunner.. grr
Jun 09 15:18:39 <mohamed> hi all, can any one tell me how to build u-boot sources obtained from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git to work on Neo 1973, please ?
Jun 09 15:23:00 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r679077cf6899 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 15:26:33 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r726a684f5edd 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e] Make sure edbus is present.
Jun 09 15:26:43 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1cac05bf691c 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e] Make sure edbus is present.
Jun 09 15:26:53 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r726a684f5edd 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e] Make sure edbus is present.
Jun 09 15:28:17 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r726a684f5edd 10/packages/e17/e-wm_cvs.bb: [e] Make sure edbus is present.
Jun 09 15:29:36 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r85f62235a113 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] dont make PR go backwards
Jun 09 15:30:37 <mohamed> hi all, can any one tell me how to build u-boot sources obtained from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git to work on Neo 1973, please ?
Jun 09 15:50:23 <mohamed> hi all, I've downloaded the u-boot sources from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git, can anyone tell me how to build it to work on Neo 1973 ?
Jun 09 15:52:22 <ebbe> mohamed: Why don't you use the MokoMakefile?
Jun 09 15:53:07 <mohamed> ebbe: I don't need to build openmoko I just want to build u-boot to run a standalone application on Neo 1973
Jun 09 15:53:50 <mohamed> ebbe: I have already a working openmoko build on my PC 
Jun 09 15:54:37 <ebbe> Doesn't the makefile support u-boot? (I don't have a mokomakefile)
Jun 09 15:55:21 <ebbe> If not, don't mind my silly ramblings :)
Jun 09 15:55:21 <mwester> Yes.  There is a u-boot target in the mokomakefile.  Just read the makefile to figure out what it does to build that target.
Jun 09 15:55:55 <ebbe> Ah, then mind my silly ramblings ..
Jun 09 15:55:56 <balrog-kun> right, plus wiki has all these commands too
Jun 09 15:56:03 <mwester> Or, just build that target with the makefile, then examine the logs (to the console as well as the logs left behind in the build directories)
Jun 09 15:56:17 <balrog-kun> plus i think i pasted the command here :)
Jun 09 15:56:32 <CIA-43> openmoko: 03thomas * r4481 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: 
Jun 09 15:56:32 <CIA-43> openmoko: opkg: Fix a small memory leak in opkg_download.
Jun 09 15:56:32 <CIA-43> openmoko:  Patch from Alexandros Kostopoulos <akostop@inaccessnetworks.com>
Jun 09 15:58:40 <mohamed> balrog-kun: you mean quilt -a push ?, but this command is for patching
Jun 09 15:59:28 <balrog-kun> 14:38 < balrog-kun> should be easy to find (but you really just need to execute  "make gta01bv4_config")
Jun 09 16:00:08 <balrog-kun> oh i pasted it four times :)
Jun 09 16:01:01 <mohamed> balrog-kun: after I have downloaded the sources from git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git, I couldn't find the gta01bv4.h file, so I was unable to execute  "make gta01bv4_config"
Jun 09 16:01:15 <balrog-kun> you need -andy
Jun 09 16:01:34 <balrog-kun> or what the MokoMakefile uses
Jun 09 16:01:36 <balrog-kun> or what OE uses
Jun 09 16:03:15 <mohamed> balrog-kun: but git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git#andy didn't work, I mean git failed to fetch the sources from it :(
Jun 09 16:04:31 <balrog-kun> right, that's what i meant about branches: either cg-clone or git checkout... later
Jun 09 16:04:36 <balrog-kun> to switch branches
Jun 09 16:06:55 <balrog-kun> or just let the damn MokoMakefile do it all for you
Jun 09 16:08:36 <mmontour_> Note that MokoMakefile/OE does not use the OM git repository for u-boot. It uses the upstream (denx.de) tree + a quilt patchset from SVN. 
Jun 09 16:09:32 <balrog-kun> they're supposed to be the same except the most recent changes i think?
Jun 09 16:10:27 <mohamed> balrog-kun: do you know the MokoMakefile command that builds the u-boot only, not the whole openmoko ?
Jun 09 16:11:11 <mwester> Read the makefile - it's right in there!
Jun 09 16:11:28 <mmontour_> "bitbake u-boot-openmoko"
Jun 09 16:14:41 <balrog-kun> you should probably use only the buildhost images if you have problems using practically any tool
Jun 09 16:17:09 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r8b623ac03994 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: Fix read_string helper
Jun 09 16:17:11 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r6039a5357dbc 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.h power.vala): 
Jun 09 16:17:11 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: added
Jun 09 16:17:11 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: manufacturer, technology, energy_full, battery_status, type, model_name
Jun 09 16:17:11 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: dbus methods
Jun 09 16:31:52 <mmontour_> The OM git tree for u-boot fails to build for gta01 - "conflicting types for rtc_get' in pfc50606.c
Jun 09 17:07:37 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * rf3273909882f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.vala): added a dummy battery polling function that checks the current level every 300 seconds
Jun 09 17:25:23 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r6b1aff509ce7 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (Makefile.am power.c power.plugin power.vala): add low energy threshold option
Jun 09 17:27:55 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r8fcb92a6788b 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/power.plugin: fix typo
Jun 09 17:38:23 <Bumbl> hi
Jun 09 18:05:06 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. 'On Friday, June 6, 2008 Alameda  County  District  Attorney Thomas Orloff has said that Hans Reiser may  disclose  the  location  of  Nina Reiser's body in exchange for a lighter sentance'.
Jun 09 18:06:30 <kdean06> Don't trust terrorcrat doublespeak.
Jun 09 18:06:46 <kdean06> I'll believe it when I see Hans make the statement.
Jun 09 18:06:56 <SpeedEvil> Ah - he's been offered the opptortunity
Jun 09 18:07:09 <SpeedEvil> not revealed the location.
Jun 09 18:07:10 <SpeedEvil> My bad.
Jun 09 18:07:49 <mjr> righto, so one of them "unless you're actually innocent you can get a sentence cut" kinda deals
Jun 09 18:09:00 <kdean06> That statement could mean "Hans Reiser has been given the chance to reveal Nina's location for leniency" not "Hans is debating if he will".
Jun 09 18:09:08 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 09 18:09:10 <SpeedEvil> I know
Jun 09 18:09:12 <kdean06> Hans might know. :P 
Jun 09 18:09:16 <mjr> kdean06, yes, that's what I took it to mean
Jun 09 18:09:32 <ewon>  fatal error C1002: compiler is out of heap space in pass 2
Jun 09 18:09:38 <ewon> bet compiler error evar
Jun 09 18:11:58 <SpeedEvil> The quotes that have come from the DA do not actually say that the approaches came from the defence side.
Jun 09 18:13:35 <ccfly> hello folks :)
Jun 09 18:17:56 <cb22[eee]> Hmm, I hope Openmoko has the new revolutionary iPhone feature, which allows you to find a contact by entering a bit of the name
Jun 09 18:27:49 <Zero_Dogg> that's revolutionary? Or were you being sarcastic?
Jun 09 18:28:27 <kdean06> I think it was daftly applied irony.
Jun 09 18:36:40 <mohamed> hi all, I've obtained a u-boot.bin file after building openmoko using MokoMakefile, I'm trying to emulate this file using qemu but it doesn't work, can any one help me please ?
Jun 09 18:38:55 <wurp2> ewon: Running the compiler out of heap is a good trick
Jun 09 18:47:17 <bkruse> apple 8gb 3g - $199
Jun 09 18:47:18 <bkruse> dang
Jun 09 18:50:18 <Basheri> yeap :\
Jun 09 18:50:42 <ebbe> Not interested
Jun 09 18:51:30 <Basheri> I try not to be 
Jun 09 18:52:28 <mjr> easy not to be
Jun 09 18:52:32 <ebbe> It's easy for me not to be. I just think about who and what I'd support by it. This makes me want an open phone more :)
Jun 09 18:52:41 <mjr> indeed
Jun 09 18:53:14 <bkruse> I know :)
Jun 09 18:53:20 <cb22[eee]> That price is probably just a little subsidized
Jun 09 18:53:39 <bkruse> bah, either way, freerunner ftw!
Jun 09 18:53:47 <cb22[eee]> i agree :)
Jun 09 18:58:54 <mohamed> hi all, I was trying to build openmoko using mokomakefile but I received this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18862/ can any one help, please ?
Jun 09 18:58:57 <fenfir> it's a cool device, and personally i'm more opposed to selling my soul to att than the iphone
Jun 09 18:59:22 <fenfir> the only telco that has been fair to me so far has been t-mo
Jun 09 19:02:31 <Basheri> ebbe: for me that's the reason i don't _want_ to be interested. But yeah, freerunner ftw.
Jun 09 19:03:39 <bkruse> fenfir: I am with tmo also, love it
Jun 09 19:04:19 <fenfir> of course, now 8GB iphone is 100$ cheaper than 8gb itouch
Jun 09 19:04:35 <Basheri> seems odd
Jun 09 19:04:58 <Qwell> fenfir: subsidized
Jun 09 19:05:28 <zedstar_> hmm wonder how easy that will be to crack now it is so cheap
Jun 09 19:13:03 <mjr> one would think harder
Jun 09 19:15:18 <Basheri> it's a shame that iphone is so cool. ;D But I'm looking forward to the finished version of ASU - I'm sure it'll kick ass
Jun 09 19:17:30 <Qwell> ASU?  It's June. :D
Jun 09 19:18:02 <Basheri> but you know, the new stuff =D
Jun 09 19:18:05 <fenfir> umm...next april?
Jun 09 19:23:26 <dreadful_great> I hope we can make the freerunner as smooth as the iPhone:)
Jun 09 19:23:57 <Basheri> me too
Jun 09 19:24:32 <doc|work> needs a faster proc :/
Jun 09 19:25:14 <Basheri> lets just hope that we can get also some positive things out of glamo :P
Jun 09 19:28:39 <doc|work> Basheri: besides the planet.openmoko.org post about mplayer it's looking like using the glamo might be more of a liability than an advantage :/
Jun 09 19:28:46 <doc|work> that post gives some hope though
Jun 09 19:30:31 <ccfly> all we would need is someone persuasive enough to make AMD executives open up imageon specs
Jun 09 19:30:36 <ccfly> let's say this lady
Jun 09 19:30:38 <ccfly> http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Six
Jun 09 19:32:10 <Basheri> doc|work: yeah, that's what i've heard. Actually i meant that i hope we get even some positive things in addition to all those negative ones we've been hearing about
Jun 09 19:33:53 <doc|work> anyone know anything about freescale? Are they likely to open up their stuff? they have a 533mhz arm proc which would do much of what we'd need http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX37&nodeId=0162468rH311432973ZrDR&tab=In-Depth_Tab but I'm not an ee.
Jun 09 19:33:59 <doc|work> Basheri: aye
Jun 09 19:35:02 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r067b480e80e1 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.plugin power.vala): 
Jun 09 19:35:02 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 1.) add polling for battery status, viz. Charging and Discharging
Jun 09 19:35:02 <CIA-43> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Emit battery-status-changed signal with the status as the message
Jun 09 19:38:14 <cb22[eee]> sweet, hardware decoding :)
Jun 09 19:39:44 <doc|work> cb22[eee]: can we get the specs though? :/
Jun 09 19:40:02 <doc|work> or do you mean from glamo?
Jun 09 19:40:20 <cb22[eee]> yeah
Jun 09 19:40:34 <doc|work> to glamo? :)
Jun 09 19:40:39 <cb22[eee]> yep
Jun 09 19:40:41 <doc|work> ok
Jun 09 19:40:45 <cb22[eee]> check planet.openmoko.org
Jun 09 19:40:58 <doc|work> yep, I mentioned that about 10 minutes ago :)
Jun 09 19:41:08 <cb22[eee]> ah, heh :)
Jun 09 19:41:11 <pjz> doc|work: I know someone at freescale; which part are you interested in?
Jun 09 19:41:24 <cb22[eee]> doc|work, i feel delayed
Jun 09 19:41:33 <ccfly> doc|work I would guess freescale uses PowerVR which means, closed drivers
Jun 09 19:41:50 <doc|work> cb22[eee]: par for the course around these parts ;)
Jun 09 19:42:14 <doc|work> ccfly: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX37&nodeId=0162468rH311432973ZrDR&tab=In-Depth_Tab could work for the gta04
Jun 09 19:42:35 <doc|work> no mention of powervr on that page
Jun 09 19:42:50 <doc|work>     *  Multi-Format Video Decode Hardware Acceleration
Jun 09 19:42:50 <doc|work>     * 24-bit display support up to XGA resolution
Jun 09 19:42:51 <doc|work>     * Image and Video Resize, Inversion and Rotation hardware 
Jun 09 19:43:03 <ccfly> most ARM producers use it since ARM pushes it in its designs
Jun 09 19:43:57 <doc|work> hmmmm, seems that this is the chip the iphone uses
Jun 09 19:44:12 <doc|work> and is powervr :/
Jun 09 19:44:31 <Sup3rkiddo> hi all, an implementation question regarding my project (odeviced).....i am polling for battery charge status every 5 seconds..is this ok>
Jun 09 19:44:45 <cb22[eee]> Sup3rkiddo, hmmm...
Jun 09 19:44:47 <ccfly> why do you need it every 5 seconds anyways
Jun 09 19:44:48 <cb22[eee]> polling is evil
Jun 09 19:44:50 <doc|work> seems a lot
Jun 09 19:44:53 <cb22[eee]> yeah
Jun 09 19:44:57 <ccfly> extrapolate
Jun 09 19:45:04 <cb22[eee]> Sup3rkiddo, dont supposee you have a gta02?
Jun 09 19:45:14 <Sup3rkiddo> oops..i didn't mean the charge level
Jun 09 19:45:26 <Sup3rkiddo> change in charge status
Jun 09 19:45:32 <cb22[eee]> oh, if its charging or not?
Jun 09 19:45:35 <doc|work> wouldn't there be a dbus interface for that?
Jun 09 19:45:45 <Sup3rkiddo> i am supposed to write that
Jun 09 19:45:46 <ccfly> or inotify at least
Jun 09 19:45:46 * doc|work not even a gui programmer :/
Jun 09 19:45:51 <doc|work> Sup3rkiddo: hahaha, ok then :D
Jun 09 19:45:52 <Sup3rkiddo> checked in some code
Jun 09 19:46:04 <ccfly> wait check HAL
Jun 09 19:46:12 <Sup3rkiddo> charging level can be interpolated and averaged since its a number
Jun 09 19:46:48 <Sup3rkiddo> so if the status is changed, battery-status-changed signal is emitted
Jun 09 19:47:18 <Sup3rkiddo> the interval of cource can be set in a configuration file...its just that i was wondering on an optimal interval
Jun 09 19:47:38 <ccfly> Sup3rkiddo signal for AC / no AC should be emitted by HAL if there is any justicei nthis world
Jun 09 19:47:51 <Sup3rkiddo> ccfly, okie dokie...but mickeyl suggested not to go the hal way..
Jun 09 19:47:58 <ccfly> I see, why not ?
Jun 09 19:48:45 <Sup3rkiddo> i saw some blog post of a need to replace it with something emphasizes on mobile phones
Jun 09 19:48:58 <Sup3rkiddo> so i am doing that as part of gsoc
Jun 09 19:49:20 <Sup3rkiddo> hmm..italy 2 down
Jun 09 19:50:06 <Sup3rkiddo> cb22[eee], its not mine...it belongs to a university lab...i just used it for a while..back to square one, without a device
Jun 09 19:52:12 <ccfly> if you're going to do this, please add a "BatteryLow" signal at least
Jun 09 19:52:23 <ccfly> some application will be probably happy about it :>
Jun 09 19:52:31 * cbrake laughs at the error messages on the console after openmoko-x11 crashes ...
Jun 09 19:52:54 <ccfly> You're lucky you didn't get SPANKED by them
Jun 09 19:53:16 <Sup3rkiddo> ccfly, i will do that, you can set the threshold at a configuration file for the power plugin...
Jun 09 19:53:21 <Sup3rkiddo> currently set to 10%
Jun 09 19:53:39 <Sup3rkiddo> so if it falls below that a "battery-low" signal will be emitted
Jun 09 19:54:03 <cbrake> what is the easiest way to restart the GTA01 when it is setting at the console?
Jun 09 19:54:05 <Sup3rkiddo> as you said, i will have to do some math (which i suck at)
Jun 09 19:54:12 <ccfly> remove a battery
Jun 09 19:54:16 <cbrake> ccfly: :-(
Jun 09 19:54:18 <ccfly> but first please remove USB cable
Jun 09 19:54:21 <ccfly> just in case
Jun 09 19:54:41 <Sup3rkiddo> i remember getting a weird noise sometimes
Jun 09 19:54:49 * Sup3rkiddo misses the gta01
Jun 09 19:55:16 <cbrake> ~lart folks who don't put a reset button on a device
Jun 09 19:55:17 * apt_ sends a legion of lawyers after folks who don't put a reset button on a device's head
Jun 09 19:55:35 <Sup3rkiddo> i wonder
Jun 09 19:55:39 <Sup3rkiddo> ~lart apt_
Jun 09 19:55:40 * apt_ eats apt_ and falls over dead
Jun 09 19:55:49 <Sup3rkiddo> recursion FTW
Jun 09 19:55:58 <ccfly> I hate reset button, it suggests it is necessary
Jun 09 19:56:06 <ccfly> which it shouldn't be
Jun 09 19:56:50 <Sup3rkiddo> so people, checking for status, 5 seconds?..or should i move that higher up the layer to applications that will be implementing my DBus interface,
Jun 09 19:56:55 <thomasg> ccfly, HTC sees that like you do - they didnt't even put a "Turn off"-switch (neither hardware, nor software) at my universal
Jun 09 19:57:06 <cbrake> is the GTA02 still using jffs2 for the main rootfs?
Jun 09 19:57:35 <ccfly> HTC brakes down automaticaly, reset and power off are redundant there ;)
Jun 09 19:57:44 <thomasg> ccfly, if only
Jun 09 19:57:49 <thomasg> most of the time it just freezes
Jun 09 19:58:29 <thomasg> means: 1) open battery bay 2) open battery lock 3) open battery snap 4) pull out battery - and the same the other way
Jun 09 19:59:12 <ccfly> Sup3rkiddo put polling interval in config file, and don't let client to mess with it
Jun 09 19:59:24 <ccfly> no need to complicate
Jun 09 19:59:24 <Sup3rkiddo> ccfly, okie dokie...thanks
Jun 09 19:59:36 <ccfly> of course everything I say is allways IMHO
Jun 09 19:59:45 <Sup3rkiddo> i understand
Jun 09 19:59:58 <Sup3rkiddo> i should put this up on the mailing lists for comments
Jun 09 20:00:31 <Vegar> what are you polling for?
Jun 09 20:00:35 <Vegar> battery status?
Jun 09 20:00:41 <ccfly> AC / no AC
Jun 09 20:01:00 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah
Jun 09 20:01:06 <ccfly> still I think kernel driver should be able to help with this
Jun 09 20:01:14 * Sup3rkiddo is using sysfs
Jun 09 20:01:23 <wurp2> Sup3rkiddo: I was planning to write something to decipher the battery voltage on the gta01 into a charge level
Jun 09 20:01:35 <Sup3rkiddo> wurp2, sysfs has a file for that
Jun 09 20:02:00 <wurp2> Sup3rkiddo: sysfs has a file on gta01 to give charge level as a linear decline?
Jun 09 20:02:15 <Sup3rkiddo> wurp2, not on gta01
Jun 09 20:02:22 <Sup3rkiddo> i dunno about that
Jun 09 20:02:29 <Sup3rkiddo> am testing all my code on my laptop
Jun 09 20:02:29 <wurp2> yeah, I don't think it's on the 01
Jun 09 20:02:37 <wurp2> Which is where I am focused
Jun 09 20:02:58 <Sup3rkiddo> i am taking data from /sys/class/power_supply
Jun 09 20:03:10 <ccfly> I would ask mickey if kernel driver for PMU can do inotify
Jun 09 20:03:26 <Sup3rkiddo> he is asleep atm
Jun 09 20:03:27 <wurp2> Anyway, my point was gonna be that once I get that built, I could send it to you to use as a substitute (or from which to write a substitute) for the charge level when your daemon is running on an 01 instead of an 02
Jun 09 20:03:28 <ccfly> signalling your daemon that ac/no ac file has changed
Jun 09 20:03:51 <ccfly> just an idea I haven't got any practice at this
Jun 09 20:03:58 <Sup3rkiddo> ccfly, oh, there is file as well....i am checking a file called "status"
Jun 09 20:04:02 <ccfly> but it would surely be nicer that polling
Jun 09 20:04:03 <Sup3rkiddo> oh ok..
Jun 09 20:04:06 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah
Jun 09 20:04:09 <Sup3rkiddo> i agree
Jun 09 20:04:26 <Sup3rkiddo> i need to look on inotify
Jun 09 20:04:32 <wurp2> I would definitely ask on openmoko-devel, and maybe the kernel list, if there's a way to register for notification of charger status change vs. polling
Jun 09 20:04:34 <Sup3rkiddo> wow..am i having fun
Jun 09 20:04:35 <wurp2> but...
Jun 09 20:04:39 <eliasp> inotify is the probably most lightweight solution for doing this...
Jun 09 20:04:51 <wurp2> Just write your code to notify you when the poller detects a charge level change
Jun 09 20:04:52 <Sup3rkiddo> inotify it is then
Jun 09 20:05:04 <ccfly> charge level is not even problematic
Jun 09 20:05:08 <wurp2> Then test with the poller, and it's a simple switch when/if you find out you can be notified
Jun 09 20:05:12 <ccfly> it's just AC no AC in my opinion
Jun 09 20:05:40 <Sup3rkiddo> wurp2, i do it pretty ugly now...poll a file in /sys every 5 seconds and emit signal trhough dbus if it changes
Jun 09 20:05:54 <Sup3rkiddo> somehow i felt there would be a better way :D
Jun 09 20:06:39 <wurp2> Sup3rkiddo: yeah, I'm just saying you can use the code you have now (which works) until you hear about a better way
Jun 09 20:06:45 <Sup3rkiddo> but it works though...just that it isn't elegant
Jun 09 20:06:48 <wurp2> Sup3rkiddo: You also probably need to debounce that signal
Jun 09 20:07:05 <Sup3rkiddo> wurp2, debounce? i am sorry but..what that?
Jun 09 20:07:14 <wurp2> Maybe when you get a change, poll it three times, 100 ms in between, until you get three of the same value
Jun 09 20:07:27 <ccfly> just curious what are you using for DBUS, C API or some kind of library (QtDBUS) ?
Jun 09 20:07:30 <Sup3rkiddo> ah ok
Jun 09 20:07:39 <Sup3rkiddo> ccfly, i GLib,
Jun 09 20:07:42 <wurp2> Because I know from checkFastCharge that sometimes you get a slow charge mode briefly when you plug into a valid usb connector
Jun 09 20:07:44 <Sup3rkiddo> ..and vala
Jun 09 20:07:51 <wurp2> then a little later it's properly in fast charge mode
Jun 09 20:07:59 <Sup3rkiddo> wurp2, dang..i almost forgot about your project
Jun 09 20:08:07 <Sup3rkiddo> i should have taken a look at that
Jun 09 20:08:12 <wurp2> Heh
Jun 09 20:08:19 <wurp2> the source is on projects.openmoko.org now
Jun 09 20:08:19 * Sup3rkiddo has never been this low in the food chain :P
Jun 09 20:08:23 <wurp2> There's not much to it
Jun 09 20:08:24 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah i know
Jun 09 20:08:58 <Sup3rkiddo> i mean the sources' location ;)
Jun 09 20:09:23 <wurp2> Heh, I figured :-)
Jun 09 20:12:06 <Sup3rkiddo> if anyone is curious enough, the code is here http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary
Jun 09 20:15:21 <Sup3rkiddo> gnight people..thanks for inotify tip...
Jun 09 20:15:47 <ccfly> good night
Jun 09 20:27:49 <wurp2> It seems to me that OM should put out a set of mock-up screenshots of their ideal for the core suite of apps
Jun 09 20:28:10 <wurp2> We seem to keep rebuilding them, and I have no idea what the new target is
Jun 09 20:28:18 <pjz> I thought there were some on the wiki? 
Jun 09 20:28:22 <wurp2> And people can't make UI suggestions until the UI has been built
Jun 09 20:28:27 <pjz> or are those considered old and out of date now?
Jun 09 20:28:46 <pjz> wurp2: just make it awesome
Jun 09 20:28:47 <wurp2> pjz: I haven't seen them... I've seen some examples of how Illume works, and shots of Qtopia and the old 2007.2 apps
Jun 09 20:29:12 <wurp2> pjz: I shouldn't have said "we" up there - I'm not part of OM, just the community
Jun 09 20:29:26 <pjz> wurp2: so make it awesome anyway
Jun 09 20:29:35 <wurp2> pjz: I think the way to make it awesome is to get feedback from 100s of people as early as possible
Jun 09 20:29:37 <pjz> wurp2: you can contribute even if you're not part of OM
Jun 09 20:29:40 <wurp2> surely
Jun 09 20:29:44 <wurp2> and I have, some
Jun 09 20:29:45 <zedstar_> wurp2 yeh i agree
Jun 09 20:29:50 <pjz> wurp2: so mock up what you'd want to see
Jun 09 20:29:57 <wurp2> But my apps are ugly with a capital Ugh!
Jun 09 20:30:11 <wurp2> pjz: Good point... my Gimp skills are pretty weak, though
Jun 09 20:30:24 <wurp2> I might mock up some stuff on paper or in Dia and load it up, though ;-)
Jun 09 20:30:31 <pjz> wurp2: so use this exercise as a way to improve your gimp skills!
Jun 09 20:30:35 <wurp2> Let someone who has a clue pertify
Jun 09 20:30:57 <wurp2> pjz: That's a good suggestion too... weak Gimp skills have repeatedly been a hindrance for me
Jun 09 20:31:34 <zedstar_> there are probably some pretty good artists in the community without technical skills who could do mock ups for feedback
Jun 09 20:31:41 <wurp2> yeah
Jun 09 20:31:46 <wurp2> That's what I was thinking too
Jun 09 20:32:01 <zedstar_> lets face it us geeks sux at that stuff
Jun 09 20:32:33 <wurp2> wurp2: I have a hard time facing when I suck at anything I want to be good at
Jun 09 20:33:09 <wurp2> Unfortunately I mostly want to be good at Gimp for purely practical reasons, rather than the joy of making pretty icons
Jun 09 20:33:47 <zedstar_> plus it is all subjective (within constraints) so the more feedback the better
Jun 09 20:48:41 * cb22[eee] wants a freerunner
Jun 09 20:48:44 <cb22[eee]> nao
Jun 09 20:49:23 * zash wants a freerunner
Jun 09 20:49:40 * CVirus wants a freerunner
Jun 09 20:49:49 <woglinde> hehe
Jun 09 20:49:51 * mmontour_ wants a GTA03
Jun 09 20:49:54 <Basheri> you guys must be kidding
Jun 09 20:50:17 <Basheri> i would never have guessed that someone here wants it
Jun 09 20:50:34 <cb22[eee]> Basheri, we're all a bit weird here. we're willing to pay $400 for a phone that hardly works :)
Jun 09 20:51:25 <Basheri> You can count me in ;)
Jun 09 20:51:28 <CVirus> yeah .. lol
Jun 09 20:51:42 <Danker> Hi
Jun 09 20:51:46 <CVirus> hai
Jun 09 20:51:52 <cb22[eee]> oh hai
Jun 09 20:51:54 <Danker> When will be neo freerunner released?
Jun 09 20:52:00 <CVirus> can I has freirunnr
Jun 09 20:52:05 <CVirus> Danker: /topic
Jun 09 20:52:10 * Basheri points at the topic
Jun 09 20:52:12 <cb22[eee]> moar freerunner!
Jun 09 20:52:15 <Basheri> damn, too slow
Jun 09 20:52:23 <CVirus> hehe
Jun 09 20:52:40 <Danker> Price will be 450$?
Jun 09 20:52:47 <CVirus> 399$
Jun 09 20:52:51 <Danker> Nice :)
Jun 09 20:53:12 <CVirus> Danker: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html
Jun 09 20:53:16 <LionKMP> Danker: see also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales if interested.
Jun 09 20:53:43 <CVirus> mohamed: we won't be able to do group sales in Egypt for sure .. right ?
Jun 09 20:54:02 * cb22[eee] reads about http dela encoding
Jun 09 20:55:03 <zash> lol wut
Jun 09 20:55:22 <Danker> Thanks for info
Jun 09 20:55:43 <cb22[eee]> zash, basically, loading only the changed parts of a page
Jun 09 20:55:51 <cb22[eee]> like a diff
Jun 09 20:55:58 <zash> in http?
Jun 09 20:56:01 <mohamed> CVirus: yes, because we don't know when it will be available, and we have to find those who are interested in buying an opensource phone 
Jun 09 20:56:01 <cb22[eee]> yep
Jun 09 20:56:11 <cb22[eee]> zash, it could be real interesting...
Jun 09 20:56:18 <cb22[eee]> someone else has also thought of this here
Jun 09 20:56:21 <cb22[eee]> cant remember who
Jun 09 20:56:33 <zash> cb22[eee]: coul, i knew about http 40x Page have not changed
Jun 09 20:56:42 <CVirus> mohamed: we can find people from EgLUG .. but the point is we'll get jailed for the GPS module
Jun 09 20:56:50 <zash> cb22[eee]: but diffs would be cool
Jun 09 20:56:56 <cb22[eee]> CVirus, seriously?
Jun 09 20:57:08 <SuN> Hm, would the GPS module be easy to remove?
Jun 09 20:57:08 <CVirus> cb22[eee]: GPS is illegal in Egypt
Jun 09 20:57:16 <cb22[eee]> O-o
Jun 09 20:57:17 <CVirus> I want it !
Jun 09 20:57:22 <cb22[eee]> well
Jun 09 20:57:32 <CVirus> cb22[eee]: it's a fucked up country
Jun 09 20:57:34 <SuN> Like, someone could buy a bunch of freerunners, desolder the GPS chips and send them to Egypt.
Jun 09 20:57:34 <cb22[eee]> i'm pretty sure it doesnt come with any mapping programs
Jun 09 20:57:36 <Basheri> O_o
Jun 09 20:57:43 <mohamed> CVirus: :), no the documents are not complete, and doesn't point out the existence of GPS
Jun 09 20:57:43 <SuN> For a modest price increase.
Jun 09 20:57:44 <cb22[eee]> so i doubt they would know
Jun 09 20:57:48 <Basheri> CVirus: Wow, that's fucked 
Jun 09 20:57:52 <Basheri> up
Jun 09 20:57:54 <CVirus> mohamed: really ?
Jun 09 20:57:57 <CVirus> Basheri: true
Jun 09 20:58:04 <CVirus> mohamed: do they only check the docs ?
Jun 09 20:58:20 <Basheri> CVirus: what's their excuse for that law?
Jun 09 20:58:25 <zash> cb22[eee]: is there a link?
Jun 09 20:58:26 <SuN> Terrists!
Jun 09 20:58:27 <CVirus> Basheri: nothing
Jun 09 20:58:38 <mohamed> CVirus: it is the only way to check a non working phone :D :D
Jun 09 20:58:40 <Basheri> CVirus: interesting.. :o
Jun 09 20:58:43 <SuN> I imagine Egypt has a thriving map business.
Jun 09 20:58:44 <zash> CVirus: WHAT??
Jun 09 20:58:48 <CVirus> Basheri: we don't have laws in Egypt ... the government decides what should be done and what shouldn't
Jun 09 20:59:07 <Basheri> :o
Jun 09 20:59:18 <SuN> Isn't it time to... revolt?
Jun 09 20:59:23 <CVirus> no
Jun 09 20:59:23 <zash> REVOLT!
Jun 09 20:59:25 <CVirus> no
Jun 09 20:59:28 <CVirus> Egyptians are so negative
Jun 09 20:59:33 <CVirus> negativity rules their life
Jun 09 20:59:36 <zash> Move to sweden!
Jun 09 20:59:37 <CVirus> greedy fuck heads
Jun 09 20:59:42 <cb22[eee]> zash, google for 'http delta encoding'
Jun 09 20:59:43 <CVirus> zash: I'm doing that in less than 2 years
Jun 09 20:59:49 <SpeedEvil> Thye GPS antenna - AIUI - would be easy to remove
Jun 09 20:59:51 <cb22[eee]> sorry, irc'ing on my eee, and browsing on my normal pc
Jun 09 20:59:51 <SuN> One can perfectly evolt while being negative :)
Jun 09 20:59:52 <SpeedEvil> oops
Jun 09 21:00:00 <CVirus> SuN: not in Egypt
Jun 09 21:00:07 <SuN> revolt hmpf
Jun 09 21:00:10 <Basheri> CVirus: i'm glad you're not one of those greedy fuck heads =)
Jun 09 21:00:10 <CVirus> you guys have no idea about what's happening in this country
Jun 09 21:00:21 <SuN> I'll be in Egypt in one month.
Jun 09 21:00:32 <mohamed> CVirus: are you traveling to Sweden ?
Jun 09 21:00:36 <CVirus> Basheri: I no longer fucken care ... I almost got myself jailed because I cared to much
Jun 09 21:00:39 <SuN> But I guess I won't completely find out.
Jun 09 21:00:42 <CVirus> mohamed: yup .. for my master's degree
Jun 09 21:01:04 <CVirus> SuN: interested in a LUG gathering in cairo :-) ?
Jun 09 21:01:08 <mohamed> CVirus: great news, and good luck :)
Jun 09 21:01:12 <CVirus> mohamed: thanks :-)
Jun 09 21:01:13 <SuN> Hm perhaps :D
Jun 09 21:01:15 <SuN> When is it?
Jun 09 21:01:19 <emdete> mohamed: google finds lots of companies selling gps support in egypt... are you shure it's forbidden? do you have a url?
Jun 09 21:01:21 <Basheri> CVirus: daaamn, i never would have guessed that things are like that over there
Jun 09 21:01:24 <CVirus> SuN: we will arrange for that
Jun 09 21:01:30 <SuN> It would have to fit into our rather tight schedule, though.
Jun 09 21:01:42 <CVirus> Basheri: things are worth ... the outside world literally knows nothing about what's happening inside Egypt
Jun 09 21:01:50 <CVirus> emdete: it is
Jun 09 21:01:51 <zash> CVirus: however, sweden is about to turn into 1984, along with the rest of EU
Jun 09 21:01:52 <SuN> I have more time in Sharm el Sheik, I guess.
Jun 09 21:01:59 * zash wants to move to .nz
Jun 09 21:02:06 <Basheri> CVirus: yeah, i can see that now
Jun 09 21:02:10 <SuN> NZ is the new utopia?
Jun 09 21:02:13 <emdete> CVirus: so how do those companies survive?
Jun 09 21:02:28 <CVirus> emdete: most probably they're affiliated with the government
Jun 09 21:02:38 <CVirus> zash: you study in sweden ?
Jun 09 21:02:58 <mjr> nz, not really... I've heard stuff from an irc acquaintance there
Jun 09 21:03:01 <zash> CVirus: i live in sweden
Jun 09 21:03:19 <CVirus> Basheri: by the way .. any police officer has the right to beat you, jail you, fooBar you
Jun 09 21:03:23 * cb22[eee] wants to go to sweden
Jun 09 21:03:24 <CVirus> in Egypt
Jun 09 21:03:29 <CVirus> zash: and you study too ?
Jun 09 21:03:32 <SuN> Even NL is jumping the shark, I strongly feel the urge to relocate.
Jun 09 21:03:42 <cb22[eee]> CVirus, sounds like the rest of the world, maybe they are just more open there :p
Jun 09 21:03:43 * mjr thinks south africa has some promise...
Jun 09 21:03:44 <zash> CVirus: i did
Jun 09 21:03:46 <SuN> But I don't know whereto.
Jun 09 21:03:51 <Basheri> CVirus: shit.. I'm actually shocked
Jun 09 21:03:52 <CVirus> SuN: sharm el shekh is awesome
Jun 09 21:04:00 * cb22[eee] waves to mjr 
Jun 09 21:04:09 <cb22[eee]> just bring your own broadband and you'll be fine
Jun 09 21:04:16 <cb22[eee]> oh, and a 50cal rifle helps too
Jun 09 21:04:26 <cb22[eee]> keep those pesky elephants off your property
Jun 09 21:04:41 <doc|work> CVirus: sounds like the states only without gps :)
Jun 09 21:04:46 <CVirus> no
Jun 09 21:04:47 <mjr> well if I get a flat I don't suppose they can use the elevator?
Jun 09 21:04:50 <CVirus> it's worse
Jun 09 21:05:03 <doc|work> CVirus: it was a joke :/
Jun 09 21:05:22 <CVirus> ah ok
Jun 09 21:05:33 <CVirus> http://tortureinegypt.net/english
Jun 09 21:05:48 <doc|work> CVirus: yep :/
Jun 09 21:06:01 <CVirus> 2 days ago 3 kids died in a hospital owing to power outage
Jun 09 21:06:19 <CVirus> human rights ? MY ASS
Jun 09 21:06:25 <doc|work> sadly, things are getting worse, not better. We now have torture and detention without trial spreading, not rescinding around the world
Jun 09 21:08:28 <CVirus> zash: I can't find any undergraduate bachelor programs in English
Jun 09 21:08:31 <CVirus> Computer Science
Jun 09 21:08:35 <CVirus> in sweden I mean
Jun 09 21:09:04 <CVirus> zash: what's the average monthly expenses for a student in Sweden ?
Jun 09 21:09:26 <zash> CVirus: duno
Jun 09 21:10:16 <zash> i havent studied in university or something
Jun 09 21:10:26 <CVirus> I see
Jun 09 21:11:17 <zash> 500 sek / term some dude says
Jun 09 21:11:25 <zash> + books and coffe
Jun 09 21:11:36 <CVirus> got that http://studyinsweden.se/
Jun 09 21:12:37 <zash> coffee!
Jun 09 21:21:42 <mmontour_> ~lart packagekit
Jun 09 21:21:42 * apt_ pours hot grits down the front of packagekit's pants
Jun 09 21:23:18 <mmontour_> it's still failing in do_patch() on the org.openmoko.dev branch. 
Jun 09 21:33:15 <cb22[eee]> zash, i hear swedish chicks are really, really hot, can you confirm this scientific observation?
Jun 09 21:34:11 <zash> cb22[eee]: of course. ;)
Jun 09 21:34:30 <zash> is that not a scientific fact already?
Jun 09 21:34:44 <Vegar> cb22[eee]: I can confirm that if you remove one "really"
Jun 09 21:34:54 <cb22[eee]> zash, of course, just multiple references are nice :)
Jun 09 21:36:04 * cb22[eee] wonders what 'marketing' freerunner stats would be. ie talk time, but with everything off, cpu in slow mode, no audio, and right next to a base station
Jun 09 21:36:28 <SpeedEvil> why cpu on?
Jun 09 21:36:36 <cb22[eee]> SpeedEvil, can it be totally off?
Jun 09 21:36:57 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - when on a call - it can in principle be suspended
Jun 09 21:37:07 <doc|work> from engadget about the iphone: "# It's tri-band 3G, as we reported the other day. This same phone will ship worldwide."
Jun 09 21:37:12 <doc|work> how does that work?
Jun 09 21:37:29 <cb22[eee]> doc|work, 3g bands are different to gsm bands
Jun 09 21:37:34 <cb22[eee]> (afaik)
Jun 09 21:38:11 <doc|work> cb22[eee]: ah, ok, thanks
Jun 09 21:39:41 * cb22[eee] wonders how much power the glamo uses
Jun 09 21:40:00 <cb22[eee]> think it is more efficent to do video decoding in the glamo then the cpu?
Jun 09 21:40:24 <cb22[eee]> s/efficent/power efficent/
Jun 09 21:40:24 <apt_> cb22[eee] meant: think it is more power efficent to do video decoding in the glamo then the cpu?
Jun 09 21:40:51 <mjr> a priori: yes
Jun 09 21:41:56 <cb22[eee]> to save other people the trouble of googling: based on hypothesis
Jun 09 21:42:11 <cb22[eee]> mjr, you and your big words :)
Jun 09 21:42:30 * doc|work hands cb22[eee] a cookie
Jun 09 21:42:36 <doc|work> thanks, was about to do just that
Jun 09 22:00:31 <cb22[eee]> hmm, how quick is the 'transition' from vga to qvga?
Jun 09 22:00:39 <cb22[eee]> is it like a normal computer where the screen goes black, and then comes back on, or just it just swtch instantly?
Jun 09 22:01:54 <doc|work> I really hope we don't go back to qvga for all devices, that'd be a step backwards, we should be moving forwards, i.e. faster processor :/
Jun 09 22:02:03 <cb22[eee]> yeah, i agree
Jun 09 22:02:22 <cb22[eee]> you can drive a VGA screen at QVGA, but you cant drive a QVGA screen at VGA
Jun 09 22:02:27 <doc|work> high dpi is the way monitor tech should be going, crisper test
Jun 09 22:02:39 <doc|work> *text
Jun 09 22:02:49 <cb22[eee]> quite scary when i think my eee screen is 800x480
Jun 09 22:02:58 <cb22[eee]> and the neo / freerunner is 640x480
Jun 09 22:03:02 <zash> cb22[eee]: 7"?
Jun 09 22:03:07 <cb22[eee]> yep
Jun 09 22:03:27 * cb22[eee] checks what the smallest readable font size is
Jun 09 22:03:28 <zash> and the fr screen is 2.something
Jun 09 22:03:38 <cb22[eee]> 2.8 i think?
Jun 09 22:03:44 <doc|work> cb22[eee]: yeah, I have a 4.3inch 800x480 on my n800
Jun 09 22:03:51 * zash wants the ultimate formula for screensize, resolution and distance
Jun 09 22:04:08 <doc|work> zash: 1680x1050 on 3.5inches :)
Jun 09 22:04:16 <cb22[eee]> 22 inch @ 16000 x 10000
Jun 09 22:04:23 <doc|work> hah
Jun 09 22:04:29 <zash> inf" at inf x inf
Jun 09 22:04:30 <cb22[eee]> that would rock :)
Jun 09 22:05:24 <doc|work> zash: I believe they call that "life", a bit too expensive for my tastes but I hear the porn is great
Jun 09 22:35:26 <feydreva> hello
Jun 09 22:44:52 <pjz> wow a full mokomakefile build takes a looong time
Jun 09 22:45:05 <LionKMP> if ever succeeds :-)
Jun 09 22:45:10 <mwester> and lotsa disk space.
Jun 09 22:45:27 <wurp2> LionKMP: Does it ever succeed?
Jun 09 22:45:32 <LionKMP> it fails at package 1050 for me. init-tools-cross I think. it misses -lc
Jun 09 22:45:43 <wurp2> LionKMP: Yeah, I've never succeded with it.
Jun 09 22:45:46 <LionKMP> any ideas are welcome :)
Jun 09 22:45:52 <wurp2> Use the toolchain
Jun 09 22:45:55 <wurp2> Or give up.
Jun 09 22:46:18 <mwester> Works fine here... Fedora 6, 7, and 8
Jun 09 22:46:39 <mwester> (32-bit, I have no need for 64-bit)
Jun 09 22:47:01 <LionKMP> hm, I have x86_64(mandriva)
Jun 09 22:47:07 <mwester> wurp2:  what distro do you run?
Jun 09 22:48:06 <LionKMP> can I easily e.g. change calculator and install into the qemu with "toolchain"?
Jun 09 22:48:08 <wurp2> mwester: I tried  Ubuntu (Gibbon) and debian
Jun 09 22:48:22 <wurp2> LionKMP: Hmm, I think so
Jun 09 22:48:50 <LionKMP> I built that sample-application2 or what comes with "toolchain" download. but that's all.
Jun 09 22:49:54 <wurp2> I haven't actually tried the toolchain at all
Jun 09 22:50:03 <LionKMP> then why would anyone want to build the whole distro? (other than core team?) due to the Wiki directions everyone tries to build the whole thing.
Jun 09 22:50:08 <wurp2> I do my neo dev in python, so far
Jun 09 22:50:18 <LionKMP> when hacking a linux app, you never rebuild the whole distro :-D
Jun 09 22:53:13 <LionKMP> "You might have heard about OpenEmbedded, however as an application programmer, you should not be using OpenEmbedded."
Jun 09 22:53:36 <thomasg> LionKMP, would be great if it was true
Jun 09 22:53:40 <LionKMP> I wonder if ones trying "make openmoko-devel-image" understand that they are actually doing that. 
Jun 09 22:53:51 <LionKMP> isnt it? it's in the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain :-)
Jun 09 22:53:57 <thomasg> the fact is: the toolchain is completely useless
Jun 09 22:54:03 <LionKMP> aww
Jun 09 22:54:12 <LionKMP> :)
Jun 09 22:54:22 <wurp2> thomasg: Really?
Jun 09 22:54:31 <wurp2> Why so?  Does it not include all the libraries you need?
Jun 09 22:54:33 <thomasg> well, at least in my opinion
Jun 09 22:54:39 <thomasg> correct
Jun 09 22:54:44 <wurp2> :-(
Jun 09 22:54:54 <wurp2> You killed my smiley.
Jun 09 22:55:12 <thomasg> he deserved to die
Jun 09 22:55:30 * SpeedEvil ponders alternative backlights.
Jun 09 22:55:40 <LionKMP> thomasg: do you have any idea why all my openembedded tries fail on -lc missing? libc missing? (on task 105x init-tools-cross
Jun 09 22:55:53 <thomasg> imho OE is not _that_ bad. well, it's pita sometimes, but it's still possible without a big problem to get your programs to build
Jun 09 22:55:56 <LionKMP> task 1050 of 4600 or so.
Jun 09 22:56:11 <wurp2> thomasg: I tried > 12 times to build, with no success
Jun 09 22:56:12 <thomasg> LionKMP, paste the log please
Jun 09 22:56:23 <SpeedEvil> 'He  had  been  eight  years  upon  a  project for extracting  sunbeams  out  of cucumbers, which were to be put in vials hermetically  sealed,  and  let  out  to warm the air in raw inclement summers.  -- Jonathan Swift, "Gulliver's Travels" (1726)'
Jun 09 22:56:30 <thomasg> sometimes it helps to kill the tmp-dir of OE
Jun 09 22:56:45 <wurp2> I think it's a matter of lucking into a distro that has the right versions of the tools, and lucking into a time of pulling a snapshot when it actually builds
Jun 09 22:57:04 <thomasg> the problem with OE at moment is, that OM uses the dev tree
Jun 09 22:57:20 <thomasg> switching over to a stable tree would probably solve most the problems
Jun 09 22:57:47 <wurp2> And of course the other question is... what's the point of working with any OM app when we don't know which ones will live into the new release?
Jun 09 22:58:03 <cb22[e51]> Stable as in debian stable or just not bleeding edge?
Jun 09 22:58:19 <wurp2> cb22[e51]: just not bleeding edge
Jun 09 22:58:35 <thomasg> stable as in gentoo I'd say :)
Jun 09 22:58:39 <wurp2> cb22[e51]: There has never been a version of OM that would come close to the debian definition of stable
Jun 09 22:59:01 <thomasg> well, it's source based, not really comparable
Jun 09 22:59:13 <wurp2> debian stable is built from source ;-)
Jun 09 22:59:22 <LionKMP> http://pastebin.com/m68e37990
Jun 09 22:59:32 <thomasg> the problem is, that there are many many changes all the time and some of them causing problems. a stable tree would eliminate that, because there would be > 90% less changes
Jun 09 22:59:44 <wurp2> oh, I agree
Jun 09 22:59:47 <thomasg> wurp2, of course it is - but you don't build it yourself
Jun 09 22:59:53 <wurp2> but you really need something automated for that
Jun 09 23:00:05 <mwester> It is true that app developers do not every build the host distro in order to change an app -- but the problem with openmoko is that the host distro is changing daily.  Until the host distro stabilizes, the toolchain will constantly be out of date.
Jun 09 23:00:16 <wurp2> which is why I kicked up that thread about continuous integration and automatically labelling versions that build & versions that pass tests
Jun 09 23:00:31 <wurp2> but it is obvious that's not gonna happen unless one of us in the community goes and does it
Jun 09 23:00:45 <wurp2> and I dunno where the correct code is any more - 2007.2 seems dead
Jun 09 23:00:57 <thomasg> well, the toolchain might be good enough to get your own tiny gtk apps built
Jun 09 23:00:59 <thomasg> but that's it
Jun 09 23:00:59 <mwester> I hope (wish?) that's not the case.
Jun 09 23:01:05 <cb22[e51]> Its in the mysterious asu
Jun 09 23:01:10 <mwester> 2007.2 worked better than the ASU stuff does now.
Jun 09 23:01:12 <thomasg> for every _real_ programm you can't use the toolchain
Jun 09 23:01:32 <thomasg> mwester, I'm sure it will get better
Jun 09 23:01:38 <mwester> ASU?
Jun 09 23:01:42 <thomasg> yeah
Jun 09 23:01:44 <mwester> For the gta02, yes.
Jun 09 23:01:46 <LionKMP> does the OE build choose specific versions of stuff, or current SVN?
Jun 09 23:01:51 <thomasg> even for gta01
Jun 09 23:01:53 <cb22[e51]> What would be nice is something like a tinder box
Jun 09 23:01:53 <mwester> I fear for the GTA01.
Jun 09 23:02:47 <wurp2> well, worst case we go to one of the alternate stacks
Jun 09 23:02:49 <LionKMP> thomasg: have you seen my -lc pastebin error meanwhile? :) http://pastebin.com/m68e37990
Jun 09 23:02:52 <mwester> I know many people *wish* for it to work with the ASU, but unless that is a design goal for the ASU it will take little for an OM-driven change to make it nearly impossible.  For example, size is the current bugaboo.
Jun 09 23:02:57 <wurp2> Zad or something, or we fork 2007.2
Jun 09 23:03:04 <mwester> I'm up for Zad.
Jun 09 23:03:16 <thomasg> LionKMP, oh, sry, was busy discussing :)
Jun 09 23:03:16 <wurp2> I've been thinking a lot about Zad
Jun 09 23:03:18 <thomasg> I'll take a look now
Jun 09 23:03:42 <cb22[e51]> Cant you just run off sd?
Jun 09 23:03:44 <wurp2> The idea of a dbus interface where every argument list is a map turned me off, though :-(
Jun 09 23:04:01 <LionKMP> thomasg: this is target machine x86, but I get the same if I try the om-gta02 (I have another dir for that build).
Jun 09 23:04:21 <LionKMP> Wiki lists so many ways to build, I try each :-p
Jun 09 23:04:51 <wurp2> well, today has been almost a total waste at work
Jun 09 23:05:01 <wurp2> I guess I should go waste some time at home
Jun 09 23:05:18 <cb22[e51]> Thats the spirit!
Jun 09 23:05:27 <thomasg> LionKMP, can you try rebuilding glibc? I think that is the problem
Jun 09 23:06:11 <LionKMP> how? (this is in a MokoMakefile environment). (I can try the OE mtn evironment too if that you know better)
Jun 09 23:06:19 <mwester> cb22[e51]: Yep.  Assuming that there was an easy way to create that image, and that everyone had a working "boot from sd" env set, and that the kernel worked after resuming when the rootfs is on SD...
Jun 09 23:06:27 <mwester> The last problem is a bit of a bummer.
Jun 09 23:06:54 <thomasg> don't know - maybe there is make rebuild or so in the makefile :)
Jun 09 23:07:04 <mmontour_> LionKMP: MokoMakefile is just a wrapper on top of OE - you can manually use bitbake commands if you first 'cd /build ; . ../setup-env'
Jun 09 23:07:09 <thomasg> and for bitbake it should be bitbake -c rebuild glibc or so
Jun 09 23:07:14 <cb22[e51]> Ah, i've had that one before on a totally different device
Jun 09 23:07:39 <mmontour_> (typo in the above command, but you can probably figure it out)
Jun 09 23:08:24 <LionKMP> removing /home/lion/coding/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.6.1-r4  ... rebuilding in progress I think)
Jun 09 23:08:43 <thomasg> LionKMP, if you're running into problems like this it mostly worked for me do wait some time, do an mtn update, then rebuild - if it still doesn't work deleting the tmp-files might help
Jun 09 23:08:58 <thomasg> but I always used plain OE/BB, never the makefile
Jun 09 23:09:15 <LionKMP> hehe, deleting the tmp files will mean waiting another 2-3 hours to see the error :D
Jun 09 23:09:25 <thomasg> hehe
Jun 09 23:09:44 <thomasg> yeah, one of OEs features is to eat time
Jun 09 23:09:55 <LionKMP> are you guys sure it"s glibc to rebuild, not glibc-cross?
Jun 09 23:09:56 <thomasg> praised be the quadcore :)
Jun 09 23:10:07 <doc|work> so, now that we're in production, what'
Jun 09 23:10:11 <doc|work> 's the eta?
Jun 09 23:10:18 <doc|work> 1 month?
Jun 09 23:10:20 <cb22[e51]> All hail octo core :)
Jun 09 23:10:27 <doc|work> all steal octo core
Jun 09 23:10:29 <thomasg> I'm pretty sure it's glibc, because it fails to build one native app for your x86_64 arch
Jun 09 23:10:34 * doc|work steals cb22[e51]'s octo core
Jun 09 23:10:49 <cb22[e51]> Boo :(
Jun 09 23:11:00 <doc|work> :)
Jun 09 23:11:12 * mwester priced out a dual-CPU motherboard, with 2 quad-core xeons.  And decided he would pay the mortgage instead.
Jun 09 23:11:24 <cb22[e51]> I hope its out before the 13th of july
Jun 09 23:11:24 <LionKMP> doesn't "-cross" in module-init-tools-cross (failing) mean it's a cross app?
Jun 09 23:12:14 <cb22[e51]> mwester: im getting one with a 9800gx2 for only 1400 dollars
Jun 09 23:12:41 <thomasg> LionKMP, seems so, but it still looks like it's failing at using native apps there
Jun 09 23:13:09 <LionKMP> ok. it's building the libc, will see soon.
Jun 09 23:13:17 <thomasg> so, it's 1 AM here, time to get some sleep before I have to get up at 6.30 AM
Jun 09 23:13:24 <thomasg> n8 ppl
Jun 09 23:13:25 <LionKMP> do you think this Xephyr thing with MACHINE=x86 will work?
Jun 09 23:13:26 <cb22[e51]> Thats with 8gb of ram, power supply and case
Jun 09 23:13:38 <LionKMP> oh, here too. :) thank you, nite!
Jun 09 23:14:09 <kdean06> Anyone here have an EeePC?
Jun 09 23:14:23 <cb22[e51]> I do
Jun 09 23:14:44 <kdean06> cb22[e51], I'm evaluating getting a 900 for my wife. Got any input on it? Like it, dislike it?
Jun 09 23:15:22 <cb22[e51]> Well i have a 701, but im really happy with it
Jun 09 23:15:41 <doc|work> speaking of which, what's the deal with these atoms? do they consume that much more power than equivalent via chips?
Jun 09 23:15:45 <cb22[e51]> After a week or so, you get quite used to the keyboard
Jun 09 23:16:41 <kdean06> The tiny factor would be good for my wife. She mainly wants something she can put in her lap in true laptop fashion without generating a ton of heat. What's battery life like for you, and heat?
Jun 09 23:17:35 <cb22[e51]> Mine runs quite cold, i have to start compiling things before the fan even starts
Jun 09 23:17:58 <cb22[e51]> And i get roughly 3 hours when using it
Jun 09 23:19:10 <kdean06> Final question - speed. She's currently got an AMD Sempron 2800+ with 768 MB of RAM, though she's not too concerned with the speed of it. In real word use case, how well does it perform for you?
Jun 09 23:21:29 <cb22[e51]> Well im running netbsd and e17 on it at stock cpu speed with 2gb of ram, and it runs well. It can play pretty much any video with no effort and firefox is totally fine up until 10 tabs loading at the same time or so
Jun 09 23:22:12 <kdean06> Excelllent. Thanks a ton.
Jun 09 23:23:15 <cb22[e51]> No problem, the 900 also run at a higher speed (900mhz vs 633 or so) so it should be faster too
Jun 09 23:24:49 <kdean06> Yeah, speed isn't so much of an issue for her. Firefox might load slowly, but once loaded it's pretty decent on anything it'll run on.
Jun 09 23:25:20 <kdean06> I'd just connect the printer the the fileserver and give her that. I think it'll work out well.
Jun 09 23:27:24 <LionKMP> why does bitbake glibc build glibc 10 or even more times?
Jun 09 23:37:53 <LionKMP> mmontour: libc rebuild finished, but continuing the build fails with the same "cannot find -lc" message on module-init-tools-cross. 
Jun 09 23:38:07 <LionKMP> I'll try tomorrow again, it's 1:30 here, good night all! Thanks!
Jun 09 23:43:03 <Niacin> anyone here know how gdb handles bkpt instructions for software break points on arm? i wrote my own exception handler for arm
Jun 09 23:43:27 <Niacin> and i'm trying to figure out what happens after the exception handler is called... how does it execute the original instr and replace the bkpt?
Jun 10 02:03:14 <wurp2|away> Does anyone know of a way to get gsmd back working again so one can make/receive calls after one e.g. starts & ends gprs?
Jun 10 02:03:21 <wurp2|away> on the 2007.2 release, I mean
Jun 10 02:13:14 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03tony_tu * r4482 10/developers/tony_tu/ (. readme.txt): add tony_tu's folder for miscellaneous.
Jun 10 02:28:28 <Arg0naut> smt is running!
Jun 10 02:30:01 <wurp2|away> wtf is smt? ;-)
Jun 10 02:31:50 <raster> surface mount technology
Jun 10 02:33:57 <Arg0naut> essentially the circuits are being mass produced for the gta02 now
Jun 10 02:44:48 <wurp2|away> I thought that had been going on...
Jun 10 02:44:59 <wurp2|away> steve said they were clear to mass produce
Jun 10 02:45:23 <wurp2|away> and before that I thought they'd said the only hold-up was getting the OK to mass produce from the factory
Jun 10 02:49:25 <raster> they apparently are doing... stuff over at the factory
Jun 10 02:53:40 <mwester> raster: re: your email about the dbus stuff -- basically the build I'm doing now will be broken too?  :(
Jun 10 02:54:04 <raster> dunno
Jun 10 02:54:07 <raster> it used to work
Jun 10 02:54:33 <raster> maybe because in my tree i always had edbus built
Jun 10 02:54:38 <mwester> Yeah, I know. :(  It was looking pretty good for a bit, then WHAM everything fell apart on the ASU dev images.
Jun 10 02:55:19 <raster> the only problem is e missing a edbus depends - that's about it
Jun 10 02:55:26 <raster> well ok
Jun 10 02:55:35 <raster> illume could bitch and fail to build if edbus wansnt there
Jun 10 02:55:42 <raster> but e would need it enabled too anyway
Jun 10 02:55:49 <raster> prior to illume building
Jun 10 02:56:05 <mwester> hehe! I guess a little pain is expected on the dev images, but the stable ASU is broken in a similar fashion.  I dunno how to fix the dependency; I could play with it but I expect zecke could fix it in a heartbeat so I'll just be patient.
Jun 10 02:57:09 <raster> mwester:  easy
Jun 10 02:57:15 <raster> find the e-wm_cvs.bb
Jun 10 02:57:24 <mwester> ok
Jun 10 02:57:26 <raster> (in packages/e17 in openembedded)
Jun 10 02:57:30 <raster> and see the DEPENDs line
Jun 10 02:57:32 <raster> ...
Jun 10 02:57:34 <raster> add edbus
Jun 10 02:57:35 <raster> :)
Jun 10 02:57:36 <raster> done
Jun 10 02:57:41 <raster> its that simple
Jun 10 02:58:37 <mwester> :) Yep, that is rather simple.  It sounded a bit less well-defined earlier.
Jun 10 02:58:42 * mwester goes to edit a bb file.
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