**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 15 02:59:56 2008
Jun 15 04:16:10 <Infinyte> Whoo, Openmoko~ >_>
Jun 15 04:16:34 <jeffszusz> lol
Jun 15 04:16:49 <Infinyte> Freerunner out yet? :D
Jun 15 04:16:50 <Infinyte> Haha just kidding.
Jun 15 04:17:01 <ljp> yes.
Jun 15 04:17:23 <jeffszusz> you said "yes" ?
Jun 15 04:17:35 <ljp> well.. I have one
Jun 15 04:17:56 <jeffszusz> engineer's prototype?
Jun 15 04:17:57 <ljp> but its got a pink sticker that says "37"
Jun 15 04:18:06 <ljp> :)
Jun 15 04:18:16 <jeffszusz> lol
Jun 15 04:18:49 <ljp> wish they'd ask for it back and send a newer one :D
Jun 15 04:18:52 <zash> ljp: is there a nr 47?
Jun 15 04:19:00 <jOERG_rw> jeffszusz: see Steve's last mail about MP this night
Jun 15 04:19:21 <jeffszusz> ?
Jun 15 04:19:29 <jOERG_rw> zash: here I see #107 & #113
Jun 15 04:19:41 <zash> jeffszusz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019384.html
Jun 15 04:19:43 <zash> bap
Jun 15 04:20:53 <Infinyte> Yay. So by the end of July at the most hopefully.
Jun 15 04:21:04 <jeffszusz> mmmmm early july
Jun 15 04:21:33 <jOERG_rw> linuxbox.co.uk  states 1. of july
Jun 15 04:22:31 <jOERG_rw> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019382.html
Jun 15 04:22:33 <Infinyte> What phone plan you guys gonna use for it?
Jun 15 04:22:45 <ljp> no plan. prepaid sim
Jun 15 04:23:15 <jeffszusz> i'm not sure what kind of plan i should get
Jun 15 04:23:24 <jeffszusz> i'm concerned my data is going to go thru the roof
Jun 15 04:23:41 <Infinyte> Well that's what I mean. What SIM provider you gonna get?
Jun 15 04:23:56 <Infinyte> Lol Jeff. Just use the Wifi for data. >_>
Jun 15 04:24:20 <jeffszusz> i have to go with Rogers Wireless or Fido
Jun 15 04:24:25 <jeffszusz> no other choices in canada
Jun 15 04:24:39 <jeffszusz> Fido is owned by Rogers anyway
Jun 15 04:24:42 <ljp> all operators have pre-paid here
Jun 15 04:24:46 <ljp> australia
Jun 15 04:25:04 <jeffszusz> i could get prepaid but any data i do will be insane
Jun 15 04:25:27 <Infinyte> Nice. Only AT&T and T-Mobile here. It's funny too, their websites say that they don't have service where I live. But there are shops for both all over my city. -_-
Jun 15 04:26:52 <jOERG_rw> s/linuxbox.co.uk/truebox.co.uk/
Jun 15 04:27:31 <jeffszusz> i wonder if future versions of the Neo will support multiple network types
Jun 15 04:28:05 <zash> jeffszusz: define "network types"
Jun 15 04:28:13 <Infinyte> I wonder if which will become mainstream, Neo's or whatever phone is getting Google's Android...
Jun 15 04:28:17 <jeffszusz> CDMA on top of GSM
Jun 15 04:28:28 <jeffszusz> so you can choose a provider. or buy a different 'version' of the phone.
Jun 15 04:28:29 <zash> jeffszusz: as in 3G?
Jun 15 04:28:52 <jeffszusz> er... as in being able to go with Telus Mobility in canada ? lol that's all i know
Jun 15 04:29:05 <zash> CDMA is not open enough
Jun 15 04:29:17 <summatusmentis> what does 'open enough' mean?
Jun 15 04:29:35 <jeffszusz> currently, neither is the GPS module, is it?
Jun 15 04:29:42 <zash> GSM is a open standard
Jun 15 04:29:46 <zash> CDMA is not
Jun 15 04:29:47 <zash> afaik
Jun 15 04:29:48 <Infinyte> Phone companies should just switch to GSM, IMO. >_>
Jun 15 04:29:57 <summatusmentis> VZW and sprint, in the us, will start allowing any phone on their networks
Jun 15 04:30:19 <jeffszusz> even GSM phones? how, they don't have the right infrastructure do they?
Jun 15 04:31:12 <summatusmentis> not gsm phones, any cdma phone
Jun 15 04:31:16 <summatusmentis> sorry
Jun 15 04:31:21 <zash> jeffszusz: the GPS and GSM modules is not open in the change-firmware-yourself sense, since that would be illegal
Jun 15 04:32:00 <jeffszusz> ah
Jun 15 04:32:45 <jOERG> sorry! offline due to forced disconnect - since 06:28 "jeffszusz: means?"
Jun 15 04:34:41 <jeffszusz> hey does anyone know off-hand how the freerunner's hardware compares to current smart phones in practical terms? i'm not one for numbers
Jun 15 04:35:37 <Infinyte> Well..
Jun 15 04:35:38 <Infinyte> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone
Jun 15 04:35:44 <Infinyte> There's a comparison to the iPhone.
Jun 15 04:35:50 <jeffszusz> awesome
Jun 15 04:36:07 <zash> iphone != smartphone imho
Jun 15 04:37:15 <Infinyte> Arr.. I haven't taken math in a while. That's != mean again?
Jun 15 04:37:41 <jOERG> Neo != smartphone, in the first place. Neo = MID, or small palmtop
Jun 15 04:37:57 <Infinyte> <_< Err, that's not even math is it? Well, I haven't taken programing in a while either.
Jun 15 04:38:01 <zash> Infinyte: not equals
Jun 15 04:38:02 <jOERG> != == "not equal"
Jun 15 04:38:05 <Infinyte> Ah.
Jun 15 04:39:06 <zash> jOERG: small palmtop with gsm and gps :D
Jun 15 04:39:14 <Infinyte> Anyhoo, not finding any other comparisons with other types of phones.
Jun 15 04:39:27 <jOERG> zash: Yep
Jun 15 04:39:48 <zash> Infinyte: try checking at wikipedia
Jun 15 04:40:07 <summatusmentis> Infinyte: what is it you're asking? I would say most smartphones don't have gps
Jun 15 04:40:14 <jOERG> Infinyte: why compare Neos to Apples? ;-)
Jun 15 04:40:27 <Infinyte> >_> I'm not asking anything, jeff was. Haha.
Jun 15 04:40:29 <XorA> mine has GPS
Jun 15 04:40:32 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 15 04:40:42 <summatusmentis> my bad :)
Jun 15 04:40:54 <Infinyte> He wanted a comparison between the Freerunner and the latest SmartPhones.
Jun 15 04:40:59 <zash> wp says "There is no industry standard definition of a smartphone"
Jun 15 04:41:15 <jeffszusz> i am just curious what the performance differences might be between the Neo and another phone with Openmoko flashed onto it
Jun 15 04:41:20 <Infinyte> Heh, maybe the Freerunner will be the first. Lololol >_>
Jun 15 04:41:37 <jOERG> Infinyte: sorry
Jun 15 04:41:50 <jeffszusz> i use "phone" interchangeably with palm-pilot-esque device
Jun 15 04:41:58 <zash> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko-supported_hardware
Jun 15 04:42:29 <jeffszusz> lol, i know about the comparisons in numbers... just wanted to know if anyone had a first-hand idea or knew the numbers well enooough to say "the Freerunner is way faster" or something
Jun 15 04:42:30 <jeffszusz> hahaha
Jun 15 04:42:48 <XorA> neo doesnt have the grunt of the current HTC lineup
Jun 15 04:43:12 <summatusmentis> XorA: what smartphone do you use?
Jun 15 04:43:21 <XorA> HTC Kaiser
Jun 15 04:43:33 <summatusmentis> aka Tylt II?
Jun 15 04:43:35 <XorA>  /TyTN II/MDA Vario III
Jun 15 04:43:49 <summatusmentis> ok, that's what I thought
Jun 15 04:46:41 <jOERG> XorA: does TyTN have "oxygen depleted carbon" ;-)
Jun 15 04:46:55 <XorA> jOERG: nope, only cost me 95 GBP
Jun 15 04:47:30 <jOERG> XorA: yeah they can't do it for this price :-D
Jun 15 04:47:34 <Infinyte> Anyone here gonna be using the Freerunner in the US?
Jun 15 04:48:02 <jOERG> next time I go there, i'll do for sure
Jun 15 04:48:28 <summatusmentis> was going to, can't swing it for a hacking toy, and I don't have good enough gsm coverage to justify it
Jun 15 04:49:20 <jOERG> Guess Steve has 3 of them for him and his family ?
Jun 15 04:49:37 <Infinyte> Steve's a pretty cool guy. :D
Jun 15 04:51:23 <zash> has neos an dosnt afraid of anything
Jun 15 04:51:30 <Infinyte> Lol.
Jun 15 04:52:41 <jOERG> nite guys! sun's rising, time to close my coffin ;-)
Jun 15 04:52:45 * jeffszusz is looking for ways to get out of his Telus contract (non GSM network)
Jun 15 04:52:49 <jeffszusz> lol
Jun 15 04:53:07 <XorA> tell them your dead
Jun 15 04:53:33 <jeffszusz> i have heard rumor that you can tell them you're moving out of the country and sometimes they will be lenient
Jun 15 04:53:43 <jeffszusz> i just dunno if they check up on yyyou
Jun 15 04:53:47 <Infinyte> >_> Contracts are evil.
Jun 15 04:54:00 <jeffszusz> i know. at the time, i thought getting a free phone was a good deal.
Jun 15 04:54:10 <Infinyte> Hehe, that's how they getcha.
Jun 15 04:54:24 <zash> jeffszusz: kill someone, rip out your teeth and replace the dead persons with them, burn body
Jun 15 04:54:27 <summatusmentis> there's not much of an option in the US
Jun 15 04:54:28 <jeffszusz> which   is why many european countries have   banned subsidization of phones from contracts, right?
Jun 15 04:54:29 <jeffszusz> lol
Jun 15 04:55:04 <zash> jeffszusz: i dont think there is any banns
Jun 15 04:55:16 <jeffszusz> i read it somewhere
Jun 15 04:55:19 <summatusmentis> Frace I don't think allows contracts
Jun 15 04:55:19 <Infinyte> Yeah I admit, the options here are limited.
Jun 15 04:55:36 <summatusmentis> which is why the iPhone is being sold unlocked there
Jun 15 04:55:36 <Infinyte> But most Pre-Paid plans work perfectly for me.
Jun 15 04:55:37 <zash> i think some countries requires them to sell unlocked phones
Jun 15 04:55:51 <Infinyte> That's correct.
Jun 15 04:55:53 <zash> (if they sell locked)
Jun 15 04:56:27 <summatusmentis> can you get data and stuff on pre-paid?
Jun 15 04:56:44 <jeffszusz> yeah summatusmentis, just have to be careful. fees might be high.
Jun 15 04:56:57 <summatusmentis> right, that's what I thought
Jun 15 04:56:59 <Infinyte> Yeah.
Jun 15 04:57:05 <Infinyte> Here's what I'm going to do:
Jun 15 04:57:18 <summatusmentis> so there's no like 'pay 15/mo pre-paid for data' thing?
Jun 15 04:57:54 <Infinyte> I'll get the T-Mobile Pre-Paid plan and put down $100, which'll net 1000 Minutes, and it'll keep the account active for a whole year. The actual usage as a phone will be completely emergencies only.
Jun 15 04:59:13 <jeffszusz> Infinyte, what do you plan to do with the thing then?
Jun 15 04:59:54 <XorA> summatusmentis: we get that in the UK
Jun 15 05:00:02 * jeffszusz wishes he could get his Freerunner on the Virgin Mobile network
Jun 15 05:00:05 <XorA> summatusmentis: 1 GBP a day max cost for data
Jun 15 05:01:09 <summatusmentis> XorA: so ~30 GBP/mo
Jun 15 05:01:18 <summatusmentis> assuming you use data every day
Jun 15 05:01:48 <jeffszusz> i'm mostly thinking about website transfers the odd time i want to check something 
Jun 15 05:02:06 <jeffszusz> downloading software etc. would be silly to do over the phone.
Jun 15 05:02:13 <jeffszusz> and email is tiny.
Jun 15 05:02:22 <Infinyte> Mostly playing around. But I'll use it for Wifi(Internet, instant messaging, VoiP. Assuming all that stuff gets made for it), and the GPS for traveling, music and stuff. Bassically gonna be mainly a little computer that doubles as emergency phone.
Jun 15 05:02:27 <jeffszusz> but i'm thinking web surfing on the beach could bankrupt me XD
Jun 15 05:03:00 <jeffszusz> do you think there's a chance those things won't get made for it?
Jun 15 05:03:13 <jeffszusz> at the very   least, they'll be buggy. but they'll be made, i'm sure of it.
Jun 15 05:03:46 <Infinyte> I'm pretty sure too.
Jun 15 05:04:16 <XorA> summatusmentis: yeah
Jun 15 05:04:28 <XorA> summatusmentis: although with that much you probably cheaper on a contract :-)
Jun 15 05:04:35 <jeffszusz> is the USB port on the neo the right kind to plug stuff like a Flash drive in, or a keyboard or something?
Jun 15 05:05:06 <jeffszusz> or is it only for plugging it into a cccomputer
Jun 15 05:07:01 <Infinyte> Oh, and I could also sign up for a special data plan thing. That's 1$ a day, but only if you use it. Has free texting/internet and that sort of thing.
Jun 15 05:07:17 <Infinyte> Ontop of the other plan I mean.
Jun 15 05:15:14 <XorA> jeffszusz: its both
Jun 15 05:15:22 <jeffszusz> sweet
Jun 15 05:16:25 <jeffszusz> the old announcement from july 2007 said three different devices were planned for this year after GTA02
Jun 15 05:16:32 <jeffszusz> O_o
Jun 15 05:16:35 <jeffszusz> that's wicked
Jun 15 05:17:08 <jeffszusz> maybe being forced by my cellphone contract to wait until next February before switching providers is a good thing
Jun 15 05:22:01 * jeffszusz ponders setting up a voip client as his main phone #, and having it forward calls automatically to his freerunner's GSM # if he isn't connected via wifi to answer   the voip call 
Jun 15 05:31:31 <Infinyte> Ooo, sneaky.
Jun 15 05:31:33 <Infinyte> >_>
Jun 15 05:36:51 <jeffszusz> ?
Jun 15 05:38:09 <jeffszusz> i would kick a lot of @55 to live in one of those cities with free wifi access
Jun 15 05:38:13 <jeffszusz> city-wide VOIPpp
Jun 15 05:38:27 <Infinyte> Yeah. o_o
Jun 15 05:39:19 <jeffszusz> no phone contract needed.... oh boy
Jun 15 05:39:38 * jeffszusz wonders what cities have that
Jun 15 05:44:45 <jeffszusz> well i'm off. later guys.
Jun 15 05:45:59 <josch> morning guys!
Jun 15 05:46:14 <josch> what does this mean:
Jun 15 05:46:16 <josch> fic-gta01:~# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko 
Jun 15 05:46:17 <josch> insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
Jun 15 05:46:29 <josch> it means that a module dependency is not met right?
Jun 15 05:47:25 <josch> i've got a dual boot setup here on my neo and the above module inserts fine in ASU
Jun 15 05:47:41 <josch> but not with the exact same kernel on the other OS?
Jun 15 05:47:58 <josch> i never heard kernel modules being operating system dependent?
Jun 15 05:50:12 <patoh> say what?
Jun 15 05:50:18 <Infinyte> I'm with patoh.
Jun 15 05:50:24 <patoh> of cause kernel modules are operating system dependent
Jun 15 05:50:31 <patoh> you can't load a linux kernel module on os x
Jun 15 05:50:57 <patoh> the module must be compiled for the kernel you wish to use it with
Jun 15 05:51:25 <patoh> hence why modprobe will only load a module from your current kernel version
Jun 15 05:57:11 <josch> haha
Jun 15 05:57:18 <josch> kernel != operating system
Jun 15 05:57:37 <josch> i use the same kernel with openmoko and debian and gentoo and ...
Jun 15 05:58:17 <josch> and as you said - the modules must be build for the right kernel
Jun 15 05:58:30 <josch> so i copied the module binaries that worked in ASU
Jun 15 05:58:38 <josch> and tried to insmod them in debian
Jun 15 05:58:44 <josch> with no luch
Jun 15 05:58:45 <josch> luck
Jun 15 05:59:26 <patoh> do they work with gentoo?
Jun 15 06:01:22 <josch> didnt try
Jun 15 06:02:23 <josch> but i build some modules that insert fine in debian ANS asu (squashfs, unlzma, sqlzma and the loop module)
Jun 15 06:02:37 <josch> and as you can see the only error is a missing dependency
Jun 15 06:02:50 <josch> but there should be none as lsmod on ASU tells me:
Jun 15 06:02:55 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753  10492 0 -
Jun 15 06:07:23 <patoh> it dosn't say anything about a missing dependency, but a unknown symbol
Jun 15 06:07:33 <patoh> but the fact that the symobl is '-1' is confusing =/
Jun 15 06:07:49 <patoh> I do recall seeing this before but, try a quick google
Jun 15 06:07:56 <josch> i know this error from other modules i inserted in the wrong order
Jun 15 06:08:18 <patoh> I just use modprobe and it works out the deps its self
Jun 15 06:08:24 <josch> the error says that it needs some other modules to "know" this symbol
Jun 15 06:08:40 <patoh> weird =/
Jun 15 06:09:23 <mmontour> josch: did you run 'depmod' after copying the modules? Also, does 'dmesg' give any more details about the problem?
Jun 15 06:09:41 <josch> yepp
Jun 15 06:10:04 <josch> i have modules.dep where it should be
Jun 15 06:11:18 <josch> and dmesg complains as this:
Jun 15 06:11:18 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753: Unknown symbol snd_soc_dapm_set_endpoint
Jun 15 06:11:19 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753: Unknown symbol s3c24xx_soc_platform
Jun 15 06:11:19 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753: Unknown symbol wm8753_dai
Jun 15 06:11:19 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753: Unknown symbol snd_soc_dapm_new_control
Jun 15 06:11:21 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753: Unknown symbol soc_codec_dev_wm8753
Jun 15 06:11:41 <josch> does this mean i have to insert other modules fist?
Jun 15 06:11:45 <josch> the weird thing is:
Jun 15 06:11:54 <josch> i also copied the udev rules from ASU
Jun 15 06:12:08 <josch> so it should load all snd modules on startup
Jun 15 06:13:37 <mmontour> Try: snd-soc-core snd-soc-s3c24xx snd-soc-wm8753 (don't know why it can't resolve those automatically)
Jun 15 06:17:19 <josch> nah - the same errors everytime
Jun 15 06:17:26 <josch> some thing i do srsly wrong
Jun 15 06:18:47 <josch> correct me if i'm wrong but these modules seem to be the most basic ones:
Jun 15 06:18:48 <josch> Module                  Size  Used by
Jun 15 06:18:48 <josch> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753  10492 0 -
Jun 15 06:18:48 <josch> snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s     3896  1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753
Jun 15 06:18:48 <josch> snd_soc_s3c24xx         4480  1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753
Jun 15 06:18:48 <josch> snd_soc_wm8753          29152 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753
Jun 15 06:18:52 <josch> snd_soc_core            26080 3 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753
Jun 15 06:19:31 <josch> and correct me further if i conclude that snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 has to be insertable without any dependency?
Jun 15 06:19:49 <mmontour> That looks right. I don't have access to my Neo at the moment to confirm it.
Jun 15 06:19:59 <josch> this is lsmod from ASU
Jun 15 06:20:27 <mmontour> snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 does depend on other modules (the other ones shown in your list)
Jun 15 06:20:44 <josch> mmontour, but do i guess right when i say that with the same kernel the modules must be insertable operating system independent?
Jun 15 06:21:07 <josch> ah!!
Jun 15 06:21:13 <josch> i read it wrong
Jun 15 06:21:36 <josch> the column is "used by" and not "depends on"
Jun 15 06:21:52 <josch> okay so the first one will be snd_soc_core
Jun 15 06:22:18 <josch> no snd
Jun 15 06:22:51 <josch> ah here we go
Jun 15 06:22:53 <mmontour> Yes, it's "used by". As for being operating system independent, it should be unless there's a config-file difference (/etc/modprobe.conf or something)
Jun 15 06:22:56 <josch> okay this inserts fine
Jun 15 06:23:17 <josch> now onto the others
Jun 15 06:24:14 <josch> okay then i have to learn more udev as copying over the idev rules from ASU seems not to suffice
Jun 15 06:24:23 <josch> s/idev/udev
Jun 15 06:26:21 <mmontour> I don't know much about udev, so I can't help you there. Good luck.
Jun 15 06:28:31 <josch> thanks
Jun 15 06:28:42 <josch> now my lsmod in debian looks EXACTLY as in asu
Jun 15 06:28:46 <josch> a good first step
Jun 15 06:30:36 <josch> wohoo! aplay plays a wav - i cannot hear anything but this could be the mixer settings
Jun 15 06:31:30 <josch> does anybody know any alsa config files in openmoko?
Jun 15 06:32:25 <mmontour> They're in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ in the recent images (e.g. stereoout.state)
Jun 15 06:33:52 <josch> wooo nice
Jun 15 06:34:35 <josch> and then: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state restore
Jun 15 06:35:48 <josch> mmontour, thanks for your help - as you might guess i'm currently trying to teach sound to debian and provide new instructions to my wiki article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
Jun 15 06:41:30 <Sturmeh> ello
Jun 15 06:45:19 <Sturmeh> anybody ere?
Jun 15 06:51:55 <Sturmeh> yo
Jun 15 06:53:21 <lekernel> hi Sturmeh 
Jun 15 06:53:28 <Sturmeh> sup
Jun 15 06:53:44 <Sturmeh> lol it's quite early in america
Jun 15 06:53:54 <Sturmeh> almost 5pm here in austrlaia
Jun 15 06:55:19 <josch> and 9am in germany
Jun 15 06:55:26 <Sturmeh> ah get up
Jun 15 06:55:33 <Sturmeh> ( then again i woke up at 2pm )
Jun 15 06:56:17 <patoh> Sturmeh: your not the only one
Jun 15 06:56:22 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 06:56:26 <Sturmeh> only what?
Jun 15 06:56:28 <patoh> I didn't get to bed till 4am EST
Jun 15 06:56:29 <Sturmeh> aussie or lazy person
Jun 15 06:56:41 <patoh> person in #Openmoko in australia who didn't get up till 2pm
Jun 15 06:56:46 <Sturmeh> ah ok
Jun 15 06:56:49 <patoh> well I got to bed at 4am est :P
Jun 15 06:56:54 <patoh> was very, very drunk :D
Jun 15 06:56:57 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 06:57:00 <Sturmeh> wish i could say the same
Jun 15 06:57:05 <Sturmeh> i gotta go places tommorow
Jun 15 06:57:06 <Sturmeh> ;p;
Jun 15 06:57:12 <patoh> I got work at 5am
Jun 15 06:57:31 <Sturmeh> so u sleep for less than a hour?
Jun 15 06:57:36 <josch> WOHOOO!!!!
Jun 15 06:57:39 <Sturmeh> oh tommorow u mean
Jun 15 06:57:40 <josch> AUDIO ON DEBIAN!!!
Jun 15 06:57:44 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 06:58:03 <Sturmeh> patoh can u answer questions about freerunner?
Jun 15 06:58:23 <Sturmeh> :P
Jun 15 06:58:27 <patoh> I know what ever has been posted on the website and mailing list
Jun 15 06:58:28 <josch> Sturmeh, 99% of the peopl in here can
Jun 15 06:58:40 <Sturmeh> well theres alot there
Jun 15 06:58:42 <Sturmeh> so hehe
Jun 15 06:58:42 <patoh> can't say much about the ASU but
Jun 15 06:58:51 <josch> why not just ask??
Jun 15 06:58:56 <Sturmeh> good point
Jun 15 06:59:06 <josch> the one who knows will eventually answer
Jun 15 06:59:21 <josch> there is no point in any irc channel to ask wether to ask :P
Jun 15 06:59:23 <Sturmeh> is the "suspend" mode in the neo, the equivient of turning any other phone off
Jun 15 06:59:33 <josch> no
Jun 15 06:59:40 <Sturmeh> can you recieve calls?
Jun 15 06:59:53 <josch> it's the equivalent to what every other phone does automatically
Jun 15 06:59:57 <Sturmeh> ah
Jun 15 06:59:59 <patoh> in theory yes, can't say if its working but
Jun 15 07:00:07 <Sturmeh> i'm asking in theory
Jun 15 07:00:10 <patoh> I hear suspend is working better these days but :)
Jun 15 07:00:11 <Sturmeh> intentional function
Jun 15 07:00:26 <Sturmeh> so it's simply screen off, and such
Jun 15 07:00:36 <josch> it woke up everytime for me so far - which is good ^^
Jun 15 07:00:40 <Sturmeh> and no touch responsisveness
Jun 15 07:00:41 <Sturmeh> :D
Jun 15 07:00:44 <josch> Sturmeh, not only that
Jun 15 07:00:53 <Sturmeh> hmm?
Jun 15 07:02:17 <Sturmeh> another thing, how long will it take to boot openmoko when it is demed ready for use ( what is the expectation )
Jun 15 07:02:42 <Sturmeh> currently it seems to take a bit of time
Jun 15 07:02:50 <Sturmeh> ( from videos etc. )
Jun 15 07:03:49 <zash> Sturmeh: how often do you (re)boot your phone?
Jun 15 07:03:59 <Sturmeh> i turn my phone off when i go to school atm
Jun 15 07:04:08 <Sturmeh> because i don't trust it
Jun 15 07:05:01 <Sturmeh> even after turning off reception, bluetooth etc.
Jun 15 07:05:12 <Sturmeh> you can still get alerts from "calendar events" and other
Jun 15 07:05:15 <Sturmeh> :\
Jun 15 07:05:16 <patoh> why? (just inteerested)
Jun 15 07:05:26 <patoh> tried 'silent' ?
Jun 15 07:05:28 <Sturmeh> i dunno, shitty not-open fw
Jun 15 07:05:29 <Sturmeh> haha
Jun 15 07:05:37 <Sturmeh> flight-mode
Jun 15 07:05:41 <patoh> I just put mine on silent, I use it all day anyway
Jun 15 07:05:46 <Sturmeh> yeah but u work
Jun 15 07:05:50 <Sturmeh> u got school?
Jun 15 07:05:55 <patoh> I go to school
Jun 15 07:05:57 <Sturmeh> ah
Jun 15 07:06:06 <Sturmeh> but what is the penalty for carrying a phone at ur school?
Jun 15 07:06:08 <patoh> I still text all day and make calls on breaks 
Jun 15 07:06:14 <patoh> put it away you idiot
Jun 15 07:06:17 <Sturmeh> dur
Jun 15 07:06:29 <patoh> might get it taken off me for the class if I keep doing it
Jun 15 07:06:35 <Sturmeh> see thats the difference
Jun 15 07:06:38 <patoh> were allowed to use them in any way on breaks
Jun 15 07:06:48 <zash> "penalty for carrying a phone at school" .. wtf happend to the world?
Jun 15 07:06:58 <Sturmeh> not legal penalty
Jun 15 07:07:03 <Sturmeh> school rules lol
Jun 15 07:07:09 <patoh> I went to a private school, they had silly rules like that
Jun 15 07:07:14 <patoh> at state schools they are sane :)
Jun 15 07:07:19 <Sturmeh> yeah well
Jun 15 07:07:25 <Sturmeh> :p
Jun 15 07:07:36 <Sturmeh> u pay for the students who pay
Jun 15 07:07:37 <Sturmeh> nothing lese
Jun 15 07:08:09 <zash> anyways, you should be able to make the neo not wake up from suspend if you dont want it to
Jun 15 07:08:20 <zash> and just turn gsm and stuff sof
Jun 15 07:08:24 <Sturmeh> mhm
Jun 15 07:08:26 <zash> s/sof/off/
Jun 15 07:08:26 <apt_> zash meant: and just turn gsm and stuff off
Jun 15 07:08:44 <Sturmeh> lol bot
Jun 15 07:08:50 <zash> lolbot
Jun 15 07:08:58 <zash> loldog
Jun 15 07:09:00 <Sturmeh> s/lol bot/lolbot
Jun 15 07:09:02 <Sturmeh> aww
Jun 15 07:09:06 <Sturmeh> urbot
Jun 15 07:09:06 <Sturmeh> fine
Jun 15 07:10:27 <Sturmeh> btw the neo's gps is assisted gps right?
Jun 15 07:11:16 <Sturmeh> do you need internet to use it?
Jun 15 07:11:22 <Sturmeh> ie GPRS etc.
Jun 15 07:12:49 <jOERG> yep
Jun 15 07:13:28 <jOERG> gets almanac and ephem from server, via internet
Jun 15 07:13:44 <jOERG> so you get quicker first fix
Jun 15 07:13:59 <jOERG> 5s vs 45s
Jun 15 07:15:35 <jOERG> but we also may store these locally from last time U used it. if you didn't move
Jun 15 07:15:45 <jOERG> IIGTR
Jun 15 07:16:13 <jOERG> didn't move too far
Jun 15 07:16:28 <patoh> can maps for a given area be stored locally?
Jun 15 07:16:32 <patoh> say a whole country
Jun 15 07:16:52 <jOERG> sure, if you got enough storage
Jun 15 07:17:04 <jOERG> dunno the actual size of maps
Jun 15 07:17:32 <jOERG> an 8GB sd might suffice ;-)
Jun 15 07:18:17 <patoh> you can do that with most gps devices, well update the maps
Jun 15 07:18:23 <patoh> things like the nokia N95
Jun 15 07:19:13 <jOERG> look for tangoGPS project. Think they have a decent handling of data download from openstreetmaps
Jun 15 07:19:42 <patoh> can tangoGPS handle google maps?
Jun 15 07:19:48 <jOERG> nope
Jun 15 07:19:53 <jOERG> may not
Jun 15 07:20:04 <jOERG> er mustn't
Jun 15 07:20:04 <patoh> because openstreetmaps suck in australia :(
Jun 15 07:20:27 <jOERG> so go augment it ;-)
Jun 15 07:21:12 <jOERG> really, I dunno tango. have a look Urself!
Jun 15 07:21:28 <faern> I cant wait go fill in missing streets when I buy the freerunner :D
Jun 15 07:21:40 <faern> to go*
Jun 15 07:21:47 <jOERG> that's the way!
Jun 15 07:22:17 <Sturmeh> sigh
Jun 15 07:22:30 <jOERG> sigh??
Jun 15 07:22:33 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 07:22:33 <faern> About the freerunner, what image/apps will it be shipped with? are there even multiple branches/versions?
Jun 15 07:22:39 <Sturmeh> so it can be used without the internet yea?
Jun 15 07:23:21 <jOERG> guys, that's sw. I'm the hw-developer ;-)
Jun 15 07:24:29 <faern> ok :D
Jun 15 07:24:46 <jOERG> and i try to have another nap now :-D
Jun 15 07:24:50 <jOERG> nite
Jun 15 07:24:55 <faern> nite
Jun 15 07:25:05 * jOERG goes to have a rest in his coffin again
Jun 15 07:26:26 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 07:26:52 * Sturmeh nails the coffin shut.
Jun 15 07:28:02 * Sturmeh runs.
Jun 15 07:28:02 <Sturmeh> cya
Jun 15 07:39:26 <Kamping_Kaiser> could someone look at this? http://paste.debian.net/6517/ i tried to build using 'make qemu', it "didnt seem to work", i moved the directory from ~ to ~/public_html and attempted to rebuild, and it seems to be looking in the old path
Jun 15 07:39:46 <Kamping_Kaiser> is there some way to make it update paths? (i ran make qemu and it hastn fixed it)
Jun 15 07:43:02 <faern> maybe ./configure or whatever command is used to create the makefiles
Jun 15 07:43:33 <Kamping_Kaiser> i wget'd the makefile
Jun 15 07:43:42 * Kamping_Kaiser mvs the directory aside and does it fresh
Jun 15 07:46:24 <josch> mmontour, got it! i need snd-mixer-oss, snd-pcm-oss and snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753 in /etc/modules to get them all loaded
Jun 15 07:46:42 <zash> Kamping_Kaiser: setup-en?
Jun 15 07:46:46 <josch> now i aplay works after every reboot just fine
Jun 15 07:46:46 <zash> s/en/env/
Jun 15 07:46:48 <apt_> zash meant: Kamping_Kaiser: setup-env?
Jun 15 07:48:03 <Kamping_Kaiser> apt_, hm.. thanks. i wonder why thats not part of clean
Jun 15 07:50:51 <zash> haha, *** NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!!
Jun 15 07:51:28 <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks zash and apt_ , killed setup-env and make qemu is running again :)
Jun 15 07:52:41 <zash> grats
Jun 15 07:57:16 <zash> why does qemu crap shitloads of s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38
Jun 15 07:57:34 <patoh> because it loves you?
Jun 15 07:57:57 <zash> o  k?
Jun 15 08:04:09 <zash> i was going to ask if there was some xmpp extension for sharing your location
Jun 15 08:04:17 <zash> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html
Jun 15 08:04:22 <zash> :D
Jun 15 08:04:44 <Sturmeh> twitter lol
Jun 15 08:04:56 <Sturmeh> maybe we can play hunt the neo owners
Jun 15 08:05:03 <Sturmeh> or neo tag.
Jun 15 08:05:04 <Sturmeh> :D
Jun 15 08:05:47 * zash will be happy with a terminal, ssh and a jabber client
Jun 15 08:05:54 <Sturmeh> xmpp
Jun 15 08:05:56 <Sturmeh> :D
Jun 15 08:06:06 <patoh> yes, neo tag!
Jun 15 08:06:24 <patoh> you are 'it' if you come within 2m's of a neo user ;)
Jun 15 08:07:03 <zash> the citywide pacman game mentioned on the mls would be coul too
Jun 15 08:07:31 <patoh> what was the subject of the email?
Jun 15 08:09:37 <zash> "mobile gps gaming"
Jun 15 08:09:39 <zash> yay google
Jun 15 08:10:06 <zash> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016581.html
Jun 15 08:10:50 <Kamping_Kaiser> \o/ qemus started
Jun 15 08:11:54 <Kamping_Kaiser> ahahahaha. booting. nice work :P
Jun 15 08:22:58 <Kamping_Kaiser> if i get a black window with "Application Executi..." should i assume something just crashed?
Jun 15 08:24:13 <zash> "NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!!" ?
Jun 15 08:30:19 <Kamping_Kaiser> the terminal doesnt launch :( ah well.
Jun 15 08:36:42 <Sturmeh> lol patoh, u can play the hunted...
Jun 15 08:36:51 <Sturmeh> hunter can see all neo's
Jun 15 08:36:58 <Sturmeh> others can't
Jun 15 08:36:58 <Sturmeh> :D
Jun 15 08:37:07 <Sturmeh> except the hunter maybe?
Jun 15 08:39:08 <patoh> we could make up some good games :P
Jun 15 08:39:21 <Sturmeh> if only i could afford to use grps
Jun 15 08:39:22 <Sturmeh> :d
Jun 15 08:39:25 <Sturmeh> *gprs
Jun 15 08:39:44 <patoh> haha, I have to buy 'gprs' credit
Jun 15 08:39:46 <patoh> we just need wifi ::P
Jun 15 08:39:47 <Sturmeh> how much does gprs cost nowdays in australia?
Jun 15 08:39:52 <Sturmeh> yea but wifi doesn't mean
Jun 15 08:40:00 <patoh> with vodafone you have to buy 'time'
Jun 15 08:40:00 <Sturmeh> u need to be in a hotspot
Jun 15 08:40:01 <Sturmeh> lol
Jun 15 08:40:03 <Sturmeh> yea
Jun 15 08:40:05 <Sturmeh> optus here
Jun 15 08:40:08 <patoh> use brismesh up here
Jun 15 08:40:10 <Sturmeh> they just dig into ur credit
Jun 15 08:40:15 <patoh> bastards
Jun 15 08:40:21 <Sturmeh> brismesh lucky bastards
Jun 15 08:40:22 <Sturmeh> :D
Jun 15 08:40:42 <Sturmeh> but u still have to configure
Jun 15 08:40:49 <Sturmeh> to connect to the access points no?
Jun 15 08:42:55 <patoh> dosn't work like that with normal wifi devices
Jun 15 08:43:13 <Sturmeh> haha
Jun 15 08:43:24 <patoh> to play something like that with a neo you would need a few ap's
Jun 15 08:43:32 <Sturmeh> the mesh all use the same ssid?
Jun 15 08:43:37 <patoh> would be good fun for a game in the bush
Jun 15 08:44:03 <Sturmeh> what is the range of the neo's wifi transmission?
Jun 15 08:44:29 <Sturmeh> if it's better than it's bluetooth i maen
Jun 15 08:44:30 <Sturmeh> mean
Jun 15 08:44:57 <Sturmeh> i once played a psp game, where u had to collect wifi hotspots
Jun 15 08:45:03 <Sturmeh> :d
Jun 15 08:45:31 <Sturmeh> i'm gunna play some ES
Jun 15 08:45:36 <Sturmeh> 3.0 beta came out a week ago
Jun 15 08:45:50 <patoh> ES?
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Jun 15 09:06:28 <dos> can somebody give me instructions to emulate GTA02 on qemu, please? with informations from wiki I only have configured emulation of GTA01... images jffs2 for GTA02 are not flashing, and machine "gta02fake" is not working with GTA01 images...
Jun 15 09:06:43 <dos> and sorry for my english - it's not my native language :)
Jun 15 09:09:21 <starox> dos: why don't you use a gta02 image with gta02fake ?
Jun 15 09:09:42 <dos> because it fails on flashing
Jun 15 09:10:08 <dos> wait a moment - i will send you error message from flash.sh
Jun 15 09:12:23 <dos> openmoko/flash.sh floods my terminal with errors "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20"
Jun 15 09:14:18 <dos> and i have another trouble: Qtopia-X11 images for GTA01 are not working to me for about week
Jun 15 09:15:13 <dos> i'm downloading latest image now, if it fail to boot too I will send you error messages
Jun 15 09:20:02 <dos> have somebody solved problem with "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20"?
Jun 15 09:23:16 <starox> dos: I'm digging mailing list archive, and it seems it's broken for now. Did you try to update u-boot and kernel ?
Jun 15 09:26:08 <starox> dos: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-May/002708.html
Jun 15 09:30:30 <cyrilRomain> dos, starox: to emulate and boot gta02 with qemu, flash.sh and the Makefile creating the NAND flash file need to be reworked
Jun 15 09:32:36 <dos> starox: i have latest u-boot and kernel downloaded by download.sh
Jun 15 09:32:44 <dos> cyrilRomain: thanks for info
Jun 15 09:34:22 <cyrilRomain> dos, starox: I tried to update them, but without much success. Maybe can we work together to make things done
Jun 15 09:34:23 <dos> can i find somewhere this files for gta02? or nobody actually done it?
Jun 15 09:34:33 <dos> hmm
Jun 15 09:34:57 <cyrilRomain> I think balrog-kun can help us, since he wrote the gta01 one ;)
Jun 15 09:35:27 <dos> i haven't much knowledge about it, but i will help when i can :)
Jun 15 09:35:42 <dos> balrog-kun is from poland? :)
Jun 15 09:36:11 <dos> i know that somebody, who worked on qemu emulation of gta was from poland ;)
Jun 15 09:36:12 <starox> Personaly I'm not interested to work at it because I'm actually having trouble making my own images for gta01. 
Jun 15 09:38:10 <dos> i asked, becouse polish is my native language :)
Jun 15 09:38:52 <cyrilRomain> dos: yes I think :)
Jun 15 09:39:09 <dos> fine :D
Jun 15 09:41:01 <starox> dobje :)
Jun 15 09:44:01 <starox> I'm having trouble making qtopia image, qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb  do_fetch fails. Does anyone had this ?
Jun 15 09:47:29 <cyrilRomain> dos: to emulate gta02, here is the first changes I made: http://rafb.net/p/79Nyo966.html
Jun 15 09:48:00 <cyrilRomain> change to apply in openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973
Jun 15 09:48:34 <cyrilRomain> I lost my openmoko/Makefile changes :'( but I'll work again on it latter today
Jun 15 09:52:07 <dos> cyrilRomain: thanks :)
Jun 15 10:04:32 <dos> oh, latest GTA01 Qtopia-X11 image fails to boot...
Jun 15 10:05:05 <dos> on top of screen: "/etc/rcS.d/S99finish: line 5: cannot create /etc/.configured: No space left on device"
Jun 15 10:05:26 <cnwdup> Dann liegt das wohl daran, dass du keinen Platz mehr hast und nicht am Image.
Jun 15 10:05:31 <cnwdup> Damn.
Jun 15 10:05:41 <cyrilRomain> dos: yeah Qtopia-X11 image is pretty big for a gta01 :-/
Jun 15 10:05:42 <dos> later "destroying fb info... not implemented!!!! WARNING, LEAK!" and some funny messages about programmers :D
Jun 15 10:05:53 <cnwdup> It seems rather to be the case you ran out of space and it's not the image's fault.
Jun 15 10:06:50 <dos> cnwdup: i've just flashed it from blank, it must be image fault - maybe like cyrilRomain said
Jun 15 10:07:24 <cnwdup> Didn't he say the same I did? Linux does weird things if there's not enough space left for the usual files.
Jun 15 10:07:45 <patoh> no way, it does way cool things. Like not boot and blame it on RAM :D
Jun 15 10:08:16 <dos> maybe he said the same and i didn't undestand you at all, sorry ^^
Jun 15 10:08:42 <cnwdup> Yeah, sorry for my English. I'll try again after showering. *yawn*
Jun 15 10:09:17 <dos> i said about my ugly english ;>
Jun 15 10:11:12 <dos> so until gta02fake is not working to me, i will try with devel gtk+ image and gta01
Jun 15 10:15:32 <cyrilRomain> dos: here is the openmoko/Makefile diff I started
Jun 15 10:15:41 <cyrilRomain> dos: http://rafb.net/p/B7QFhb36.html
Jun 15 10:16:09 <cyrilRomain> but tbh, I don't know how many sectors the gta02 has
Jun 15 10:16:14 <dos> oh, thank you :)
Jun 15 10:16:35 <dos> but it have chance to work now?
Jun 15 10:16:45 <cyrilRomain> and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks does not help me to understand from where the 128k sector for Neo comes from
Jun 15 10:17:02 <cyrilRomain> dos: no, last time I tested it didn't boot
Jun 15 10:19:25 <cyrilRomain> but on the wiki I could read out-of-date information (for instance about NAND partition). Hopefully the NAND_bad_blocks page isn't..
Jun 15 10:21:03 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: do you have any info about NAND sectors ?
Jun 15 10:21:42 * balrog-kun wakes up
Jun 15 10:21:56 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: gta02 should have 128 * 1024 * 1024 / 2048 sectors
Jun 15 10:22:36 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: do you already wakes up with so much insight ? ;)
Jun 15 10:23:15 <cyrilRomain> s/already/always/
Jun 15 10:23:16 <apt_> cyrilRomain meant: balrog-kun: do you always wakes up with so much insight ? ;)
Jun 15 10:23:34 <balrog-kun> i can answer questions about numbers of sectors woken up in the middle of the night :p
Jun 15 10:26:07 <dos> so have we enough information to boot gta02 images on qemu? :)
Jun 15 10:27:06 <balrog-kun> a too big NAND image should be no problem though, qemu would just ignore the trailing half
Jun 15 10:29:13 <balrog-kun> the images that openmoko/flash.sh can flash are still restricted to ~58MB though
Jun 15 10:29:31 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: so in openmoko/Makefile 'cat .64ksec > $@' should be fine if I understand correctly
Jun 15 10:29:50 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: yeah
Jun 15 10:36:35 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: hmm I still have mtdparts issues, resulting in bad magic number
Jun 15 10:40:16 <cyrilRomain> doh! I didn't changed {kernel,rootfs,uboot}_wildcard variables!
Jun 15 10:51:23 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun, dos: on 's3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20' now :-/
Jun 15 10:53:07 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: I guess someone should write hw/s3c2442.c ?
Jun 15 10:55:37 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: are you also such a guy able to write such a file in the middle of the night ? ;)
Jun 15 10:56:00 <dos> ;D
Jun 15 11:00:06 <toti> Hey, I checked out this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001625.html ti figure out how to use the accellerometers but I still don't really understand how I can get the final data in mG
Jun 15 11:01:52 <dos> it seems to command:
Jun 15 11:01:54 <dos> hexdump /dev/input/event3 | grep ".* .* .* .* .* 0002 0002 .* .*$" |
Jun 15 11:01:54 <dos> cut -d' ' -f8
Jun 15 11:02:17 <dos> (without new line)
Jun 15 11:02:21 <cyrilRomain|bbl> toti: and then convert hexadecimal to decimal value
Jun 15 11:02:26 <dos> it will return hex value
Jun 15 11:05:46 <toti> ok, thx, that works but I still don't understand what to change in grep ".* .* .* .* .* 0002 0002 .* .*$"  to get the data of another direction
Jun 15 11:07:17 <dos> i think you should change 0002 0002 (Z) to 0001 0001 (Y) or 0000 0000 (X)
Jun 15 11:07:54 <dos> but i don't have freerunner and i'm only guessing after reading mail, that you linked
Jun 15 11:14:17 <toti> If I change these I'm getting 0000 all the time
Jun 15 11:16:39 <SpeedEvil> try 0004 and 0008
Jun 15 11:17:13 <mudyc> toti: do you know what is regular expression?
Jun 15 11:17:19 <SpeedEvil> hexdump -c /dev/input/event3
Jun 15 11:17:32 <SpeedEvil> and read the output while moving it
Jun 15 11:23:12 <toti> there is quit a lot to read. The stuff on the right side is permanently changing when I move the phone but only between \0 and 377
Jun 15 11:23:27 <SpeedEvil> there are several elements
Jun 15 11:23:31 <SpeedEvil> there is one time counter
Jun 15 11:23:34 <SpeedEvil> you can ignore that
Jun 15 11:24:41 <SpeedEvil> Then there should be one line - per counter - that moves according to the accelleration
Jun 15 11:27:38 <toti> Unfortunately I can see only one line acting like a counter but everything behind is moving even if I don't move the phone. The whole thing looks like this:
Jun 15 11:27:39 <toti> 0080240   < 375   9   H 301   n  \r  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
Jun 15 11:32:52 <SpeedEvil> I meant hexdump -C - for me at least - that's easier to read
Jun 15 11:37:25 <toti> 00090e70  67 ff 39 48 2d f2 09 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |g.9H-...........|  then it looks like this
Jun 15 11:39:11 <SpeedEvil> hexdump -C /dev/input/event3|awk '{a[$12+0]=$14 $15;for(x=0;x<10;x++){printf("%s ",a[x])};print ""}'
Jun 15 11:39:19 <SpeedEvil> seems to work for my mouse
Jun 15 11:42:10 <zash> SpeedEvil: and that does
Jun 15 11:42:13 <zash> what?
Jun 15 11:44:00 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - docs are not my strong point.
Jun 15 11:44:01 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 15 11:44:19 <SpeedEvil> It should print lists of the axes motion reports for axes 1-10
Jun 15 11:44:53 <toti> mhhh, I'm getting three differen numbers but 40G when I shake the pfone seems a bit extrem
Jun 15 11:45:19 <SpeedEvil> It's not 40G
Jun 15 11:45:28 <SpeedEvil> I think each lsb is 16mg
Jun 15 11:45:48 <SpeedEvil> and it goes to +-128 - from the hardware
Jun 15 11:46:32 <toti> but I'm getting numbers like 40000 when I convert it into Dez
Jun 15 11:46:50 <SpeedEvil> so try ignoring the last byte
Jun 15 11:46:55 <SpeedEvil> or first byte
Jun 15 11:47:15 <SpeedEvil> or maybe 0-65536 is -2G to 2G
Jun 15 11:47:38 <SpeedEvil> so 40000 would be +1/4G
Jun 15 11:48:10 <toti> mhhh
Jun 15 11:48:35 <SpeedEvil> Or maybe -3/4G, depending on how you deal with the signs
Jun 15 11:57:03 <zash> 1. Find calibrated accelerometer
Jun 15 11:57:06 <zash> 2. Neo
Jun 15 11:57:32 <zash> 3. Accelerate both, ducttaped togeather
Jun 15 11:57:36 <zash> 4. ???
Jun 15 11:57:39 <zash> 5. PROFIT
Jun 15 11:58:36 <zash> in the you-can-now-check/calibrate-the-neo-accelerometer way
Jun 15 11:59:20 <SpeedEvil> Most users have a ready source of 1G+-0.05 already.
Jun 15 11:59:35 <zash> hdd?
Jun 15 11:59:53 <zash> ah, that
Jun 15 11:59:56 <zash> hah
Jun 15 12:00:06 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * raf7c48d424f9 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: mickeyterm: send init, fix character mode
Jun 15 12:17:11 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: do you know if someone is working on hw/s3c2442.c ?
Jun 15 12:24:45 <mickeyl> how's the backlight node called on recent gta01?
Jun 15 12:26:18 <cyrilRomain> mickeyl: "gta01-bl" (reading https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch)
Jun 15 12:26:27 <mickeyl> thanks
Jun 15 12:26:29 <SpeedEvil> Linux om-gta01 2.6.24 #2 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 23:51:06 CDT 2008 armv4tl unknown
Jun 15 12:26:33 <SpeedEvil>  too old?
Jun 15 12:26:33 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jun 15 12:31:54 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * ref057de31ca1 10/src/zhone: zhone: look for hardcoded backlight names for milestone 1. revert immediately afterwards
Jun 15 12:35:02 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: i don't know
Jun 15 12:35:42 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: gta02 flash and emulation cannot work properly without such file, right ?
Jun 15 12:35:54 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: s3c2410.c should probably be renamed to s3c24xx.c though and both implemented in the same file because the differences are minor
Jun 15 12:36:25 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: right, you need to emulate the S3C2442, the SMedia Glamo chip and the phillips PCF50633
Jun 15 12:37:28 <balrog-kun> none of them is particularly difficult
Jun 15 12:40:38 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: hm but since I'd like to work on qtopia and since I know barely nothing about those chip ...
Jun 15 12:43:03 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: right, you don't need all this for hacking qtopia
Jun 15 12:43:11 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: how 'difficult' it is depend on your background ;)
Jun 15 12:43:15 <balrog-kun> you only need hardware emulation if you want to work on the kernel or u-boot
Jun 15 12:43:46 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: but how can I boot qtopia image without the kernel or u-boot ?
Jun 15 12:44:04 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: without a FreeRunner :-/
Jun 15 12:44:27 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: qtopia doesn't care what kernel that is, it can be gta01 or a nokia phone or whatever you like
Jun 15 12:44:45 <balrog-kun> cyrilRomain: you don't even need an arm, running it on your desktop will be 10 times faster
Jun 15 12:44:49 <dos> but latest Qtopia images don't run on emulated GTA01
Jun 15 12:44:57 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re255871860f2 10/odeviced/src/plugins/backlight/backlight.c: fix autogenerated code to set up dbus objects correctly
Jun 15 12:44:57 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r9a37bf35776b 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/plugin.vala daemon/service.vala plugins/wifi/wifi.h): Make some public members read only
Jun 15 12:45:08 <dos> hmm
Jun 15 12:45:23 <balrog-kun> dos: that would mean that they don't run on the non-emulated gta01 either usually
Jun 15 12:45:44 <balrog-kun> last week's qtopia images did run for me
Jun 15 12:45:55 <dos> no własnie, dlatego chciałbym mieć wyemulowanego gta02 :D
Jun 15 12:46:03 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: ok so I'd rather switch to gta01 then
Jun 15 12:46:09 <balrog-kun> still 10x slower than on x86
Jun 15 12:46:31 <dos> maybe I want to see, how fast it is on freerunner?
Jun 15 12:46:33 <dos> :D
Jun 15 12:46:45 * dos is away: Gone away for now.
Jun 15 12:46:59 <balrog-kun> it is equally fast as on gta01
Jun 15 12:47:21 <balrog-kun> well, modulo the cpu clocking
Jun 15 12:49:09 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: yeah I'm thinking about using x86 directly...
Jun 15 12:49:40 <cyrilRomain> balrog-kun: I would be 'blind' to cross-compilation issues, but..
Jun 15 12:55:02 <mohamed> hi all, does anyone know how to experiment with u-boot configuration using qemu using the telnet connection specified on the bottom of the page  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU ?
Jun 15 12:55:40 * dos-away is back.
Jun 15 12:56:43 <zash> dos: awaymessages are bad, mkay
Jun 15 12:57:48 <mohamed> I just want to experiment with u-boot without bricking my device, any help ?
Jun 15 12:59:02 <zash> mohamed: afaik you cant brick the freerunner withouth the debugboard, which can be used to unbrick it
Jun 15 12:59:38 <dos> zash: sorry
Jun 15 12:59:49 <mohamed> zash: I have Neo 1973 not freerunner, I've connected between qemu and telnet successfully, but I just want how to start using the u-boot ?
Jun 15 13:02:34 <zash> mohamed: i think you should ask on some mls
Jun 15 13:03:05 <mohamed> zash: on which mailing list do you suggest ?
Jun 15 13:03:49 <zash> feels like it should fit on the device-owners list
Jun 15 13:03:51 <zash> but iduno
Jun 15 13:04:05 <zash> i think there is a uboot list
Jun 15 13:12:27 <mohamed> zash: yes, there it is, openmoko-kernel: Discussion regarding the OpenMoko Linux Kernel and boot loader, thank you for your time :) 
Jun 15 13:13:41 <zash> glad i could help :D
Jun 15 13:43:46 <balrog-kun> morricone: what would you use the telnet connection for?
Jun 15 13:43:57 <balrog-kun> err, mohamed: ^
Jun 15 13:45:18 <mohamed> balrog-kun: hello :) , another question about u-boot as usual :)
Jun 15 13:46:57 <mohamed> balrog-kun: I want to test u-boot using qemu, I've succeeded in connecting to qemu using the instructions on the bottom of the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU
Jun 15 13:47:42 <balrog-kun> mohamed: why not just use the serial directly?
Jun 15 13:48:18 <mohamed> balrog-kun: I don't want to brick my device, I just want to experiment first 
Jun 15 13:48:47 <balrog-kun> i mean qemu serial port
Jun 15 13:49:06 <balrog-kun> -serial stdio or ctrl-alt-2 with -serial vc (this is the default if you don't specify any options)
Jun 15 13:52:08 <mohamed> balrog-kun: nothing new :) , I want to start using u-boot command line and configuration on qemu 
Jun 15 13:54:09 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2d43cc4ee401 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade to have various bugfixes for regina
Jun 15 13:55:37 <mohamed> balrog-kun: oh, I found the command line responding, I can use u-boot commands now :) thanks a lot :)
Jun 15 13:56:22 <liwei> hello , i want to know how to use gpsd to make nmeaNP file?
Jun 15 13:58:00 <liwei> anyone use gpsdrive in pc,and get gps info from neo 
Jun 15 14:08:54 <abraxa_> liwei: gpsd is deprecated, I'd try gypsy
Jun 15 14:09:21 <liwei>   Using the Neo's GPS on a Laptop
Jun 15 14:09:22 <liwei>     * First be sure you have gllin installed on the Neo.
Jun 15 14:09:22 <liwei>     * On host type: nc -vvn -l -p 5000 > /tmp/nmeaNP
Jun 15 14:09:22 <liwei>     * On the Neo type: nc 192.168.0.200 5000 < /tmp/nmeaNP
Jun 15 14:09:22 <liwei>     *
Jun 15 14:09:22 <liwei>     * On the host PC install GPSD, your GPS is attached as /tmp/nmeaNP
Jun 15 14:09:24 <liwei>     * start gpsd on host with: gpsd -p /tmp/nmeaNP
Jun 15 14:09:26 <liwei>     * run your application! I used gpsdrive and it works better than my stand-alone GPS.
Jun 15 14:09:28 <liwei>     * Tested with RoadNav.Works great!
Jun 15 14:09:32 <liwei>     *
Jun 15 14:09:34 <liwei>     * With this in mind if you have an unlimited data package you could export this over the internet.
Jun 15 14:09:37 <liwei>     * the possibilities are limitless. 
Jun 15 14:09:43 <liwei> i see it in openmoko wiki in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS
Jun 15 14:09:53 <abraxa_> Ah
Jun 15 14:09:57 <liwei> so ,i think it maybe can work
Jun 15 14:11:46 <liwei> i try it follow that,but i cann't get anything in nmeaNP file
Jun 15 14:25:03 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5c2ea365caae 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [python-cython] This commit is a temporary solution.
Jun 15 14:25:05 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd2967ceb3219 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the ninja theme to rev 5 as of ticks request
Jun 15 14:25:06 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r79b22f5538a5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] As on ticks request upgrade opkg to 4488 to fix some segfaults
Jun 15 14:25:07 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r60f34fd9470a 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: opkg nowadays needs its lib directory created before it can operate
Jun 15 14:25:08 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re9695aa1eef8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade to have various bugfixes for regina
Jun 15 14:25:11 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raaf9b0419747 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): newer revs of illume and efl/e
Jun 15 15:04:39 <tomboy64> where can i get prebuilt images with the asu?
Jun 15 15:10:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rb8467cb77cbd 10/ophoned/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
Jun 15 15:10:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: python-ophoned: add basic infrastructure for suspending and resuming the phone server,
Jun 15 15:10:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: this includes individually suspending/resuming every Channel instance, hence
Jun 15 15:10:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: it is highly modem device specific (think unsolicited responses)
Jun 15 15:43:21 <admiral0> hello to everybody..
Jun 15 15:43:59 <admiral0> sorry if i ask an annoyng question.. any news about the freerunner
Jun 15 15:44:01 <admiral0> ?
Jun 15 15:45:32 <spydon> admiral0, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
Jun 15 15:45:46 <admiral0> i check it every morning ^^
Jun 15 15:46:29 <spydon> well, why do you ask then? :P
Jun 15 15:47:01 <admiral0> i'm just so anxious to put my hands on a freerunner...
Jun 15 15:47:28 <admiral0> i've got a friend that just keeps showing me his shiny iphone
Jun 15 15:47:48 <admiral0> V_V
Jun 15 15:54:36 <admiral0> what about the wifi chip? is it supported by madwifi?
Jun 15 15:55:23 <mjr> no madwifi
Jun 15 15:55:41 <admiral0> integrated kernel module?
Jun 15 15:55:42 <mjr> different series of chips, hardmac
Jun 15 15:56:06 <mjr> I don't know how integrated it is or will be, but it is free
Jun 15 15:56:21 <admiral0> perfect...
Jun 15 15:56:30 <mjr> one would suppose it'll make it into the kernel mainline eventually
Jun 15 15:56:31 <admiral0> another thing... 
Jun 15 15:57:02 <balrog-kun> it would need a major rewrite to get to mainline
Jun 15 15:57:09 <mjr> okay
Jun 15 15:57:12 <admiral0> i compiled the emulator with new UI
Jun 15 15:57:49 <admiral0> how to switch to console...
Jun 15 15:57:51 <admiral0> ?
Jun 15 15:58:14 <balrog-kun> it may make it into -netdev tree though
Jun 15 15:59:10 <balrog-kun> admiral0: which new UI?
Jun 15 15:59:29 <admiral0> it's just not matchbox i saw on youtube..
Jun 15 16:00:04 <admiral0> "new" for me
Jun 15 16:00:11 <balrog-kun> oh ok
Jun 15 16:00:41 <balrog-kun> there should be some kind of terminal...
Jun 15 16:01:13 <admiral0> i saw it when booting 
Jun 15 16:01:43 <admiral0> (the real terminal)
Jun 15 16:54:40 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5b191c20617e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] helpbrowser couldn't find index.html (#1465)
Jun 15 17:03:25 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke * rbe430137574a 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Add the finding regarding playbin
Jun 15 17:03:25 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke * r44f6721d115f 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [silence] Remove debug output (a left over of the lifecycle hacking)
Jun 15 17:03:25 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03zecke * ra1231102d833 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Document the result so I remember it tomorrow
Jun 15 18:31:57 <ccfly> hello :)
Jun 15 18:32:05 <Sup3rkiddo> yo
Jun 15 18:32:56 <ccfly> if anyone's interested, yesterdays devel build for GTA01 actuall does kinda work
Jun 15 18:33:08 <ccfly> if your tolerance level is high enough ;)
Jun 15 18:34:25 <Sup3rkiddo> bleh..
Jun 15 18:34:32 * Sup3rkiddo doesn't have a device
Jun 15 19:07:53 <no_mind> is there a howto on starting to develop an application for OM from scratch
Jun 15 19:08:58 <CM> I think so, if you plan to use the toolkit
Jun 15 19:09:06 <CM> In the wiki
Jun 15 19:09:24 <no_mind> which one, I cant figure out the right one
Jun 15 19:09:31 <no_mind> I want to write  a GUI based application
Jun 15 19:10:14 <CM> Using what gui toolkit?
Jun 15 19:10:45 <no_mind> anyone I would prefer EFL or QT
Jun 15 19:10:56 <no_mind> but not the python bindings
Jun 15 19:12:22 <CM> I'd start looking here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Jun 15 19:12:51 <CM> Just trying to get some hello world thing going
Jun 15 19:13:24 <no_mind> ok
Jun 15 19:16:49 <no_mind> on debian system where do i get libmokoui2-dev from ?
Jun 15 19:21:56 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * r30ff1203fd9c 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (power.c power.vala): Disable Polling if data returned by read_integer and read_string is -1 or null respectively
Jun 15 19:50:13 <juri_> well, this time, todays upgrade really did take out my openmoko.
Jun 15 19:54:53 <juri_> i guess i get to do a rebuild. neat.
Jun 15 19:56:38 <mwester> rebuilds are good.  Cleans out your phone ;)
Jun 15 19:59:54 <juri_> you know, some of us like keeping our cell phone numbers.. :)
Jun 15 20:01:05 <mwester> Is it so bad you can't recover your contacts info?
Jun 15 20:01:16 <mwester> Should all be in the hidden directory in ~root
Jun 15 20:01:59 <juri_> i still have a single ssh session into the machine.
Jun 15 20:02:02 * mwester has a script that copies ~root to the SD card once in a while
Jun 15 20:02:10 <juri_> what file should i be praying i get? :)
Jun 15 20:02:21 <juri_> cp is gone. bus error.
Jun 15 20:02:28 <mwester> ooh ouch.
Jun 15 20:02:30 <juri_> (ls is gone. mv is gone)
Jun 15 20:02:46 <mwester> "busybox ls" ?
Jun 15 20:02:52 <juri_> busybox is gone. :)
Jun 15 20:03:02 <mmontour> Good riddance :)
Jun 15 20:03:21 <mwester> can you boot of sd?
Jun 15 20:03:28 <mwester> s/of/off/
Jun 15 20:03:28 <apt_> mwester meant: can you boot off sd?
Jun 15 20:03:48 <juri_> i havent tried yet. i've got an ssh'd prompt, i'm hesitant to lose that ground.
Jun 15 20:04:03 <mwester> Agreed.  "echo *" ?
Jun 15 20:04:04 <juri_> tho, i can't scp any files in.. i don't see an easy repair path.
Jun 15 20:04:41 <mmontour> Do you still have a working 'cat'? Or "echo *" to simulate 'ls'?
Jun 15 20:04:56 <juri_> i can tab-tab.
Jun 15 20:05:08 <juri_> the autocompletion is still working, so i can simulate ls.
Jun 15 20:05:40 <juri_> but that seems to be about all i can do right now.
Jun 15 20:06:55 <mwester> Well, with no "cat" even, there's not much that can be done to change the filesystem at this point...
Jun 15 20:08:04 <balrog-kun> > or < sometimes can be used instead of cat
Jun 15 20:08:29 <juri_> right, but first you must have an echo.
Jun 15 20:08:38 <juri_> so yep, that filesystem is gone.
Jun 15 20:09:05 <balrog-kun> or any command :)
Jun 15 20:09:10 <balrog-kun> if nothing helps, go into u-boot, download the whole rootfs partition and mount it on the pc
Jun 15 20:09:50 <juri_> note to self, don't upgrade the openmoko while on the road... :/
Jun 15 20:09:56 <mwester> (good idea ^^^)
Jun 15 20:10:05 * juri_ is 50 miles away from her jtag kit, or the last known good build.
Jun 15 20:10:39 <mwester> Poking about the rootfs, it seems everything is dynamically linked (i'm assuming you have a library issue caused by an opkg update?)
Jun 15 20:11:11 <juri_> afirmative. libgcc_so_1 is gone.
Jun 15 20:11:16 <mwester> ldconfig is statically linked... for what good that would do.
Jun 15 20:11:35 <mwester> (actually, you might try running it and see if it does anything -can't hurt)
Jun 15 20:11:53 <balrog-kun> provided the ldconfig binary can be read from the broken jffs :p
Jun 15 20:12:10 <juri_> well, thats a neat failure mode.
Jun 15 20:12:26 <juri_> after a hard power cycle.. i now get a linux console.
Jun 15 20:13:20 <juri_> and it fails to bring up USB.
Jun 15 20:13:47 <mwester> There's nothing static in the stock rootfs.  IMO, i'd rather dump some of the stupider games and replace it with a recovery toolkit.
Jun 15 20:14:10 <juri_> i already pulled all the games from mine, and it still ran out of disk space, and killed itsself.
Jun 15 20:14:23 <balrog-kun> you could add a readonly partition with a recovery toolkit instead
Jun 15 20:14:35 <juri_> i think i'd rather if opkg actually FAILED if the system ran out of disk space, insead of continuing on, breaking more packages.
Jun 15 20:14:48 <mwester> The stock images also stuff a copy of the kernel into /boot, for no useful reason -- that's another 1+ MByte of space to reclaim.
Jun 15 20:20:03 * juri_ switches to the backup openmoko, running the QT thingie.
Jun 15 20:20:34 <Zero_Dogg> are there any (recent-ish) precompiled images that can be run in a virtual machine?
Jun 15 20:20:46 <Zero_Dogg> for development
Jun 15 20:24:42 <balrog-kun> last week's images worked for me, in qemu (around Monday)
Jun 15 20:25:46 <Zero_Dogg> where can I grab those?
Jun 15 20:27:53 <balrog-kun> the openmoko/download.sh script grabbed them for me, chances are the current images will work similarly
Jun 15 20:28:30 <Zero_Dogg> thanks
Jun 15 20:39:19 * hfsplus wants an openmoko phone.  *cry*
Jun 15 20:39:20 <hfsplus> ;)
Jun 15 20:45:23 * topic wants openmoko on motorola motophone f3
Jun 15 20:50:08 <juri_> topic: get to work. :)
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Jun 15 22:29:01 <daMaestro> http://qtopia.net/downloads/neo/qtopia-4.3.1-neo-flash.tgz wtf
Jun 15 22:29:15 <daMaestro> does anyone know where the qtopia image went to?
Jun 15 22:29:20 <SpeedEvil>  np: Queen - Flash!
Jun 15 22:29:23 <ljp> away.
Jun 15 22:29:31 <ljp> will be back soon
Jun 15 22:30:12 <mjr> O-ooo!
Jun 15 22:30:34 <mjr> Dispatch Warlock and Ajax to bring back his body
Jun 15 22:31:43 <daMaestro> http://qtopia.net/downloads/neo/qtopia-4.3.1-snapshot-1127.tgz
Jun 15 22:31:59 <daMaestro> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo1973 is no more?
Jun 15 22:33:18 <ljp> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4
Jun 15 22:43:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rfef81977b75a 10/ophoned/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: python-ophoned: add suspend/resume to ti_calypso specific modem abstraction
Jun 15 22:44:01 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r97f3674a02c2 10/src/zhone: zhone: power button triggers suspend now
Jun 16 00:07:25 <dcordes> wurp2: thanks a lot man. It sounds easier than I expected
Jun 16 00:09:40 <jadams> The new dbus-centric Openmoko framework initiative as well as the Zhone bread-and-butter application will see a release within the next 48 hours.
Jun 16 00:11:59 <ebbe> Nice :)
Jun 16 00:20:29 <josch> jadams, lol is the codebase still pyphone?
Jun 16 00:22:20 <jadams> josch: I dunno, just read it on planet
Jun 16 00:22:35 <josch> ah kk
Jun 16 00:22:38 <josch> my rss is too slow :P
Jun 16 00:37:26 <daMaestro> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/cache/files/readme_qtopia_gpl.txt <-- lame
Jun 16 00:43:54 <ljp> yep
Jun 16 01:05:46 <CVirus> I wonder why are the testers using .xls for their test reports !
Jun 16 01:08:24 <josch> you mean xsl
Jun 16 01:12:40 <CVirus> whatever that is
Jun 16 01:12:47 <CVirus> isn't it proprietary ?
Jun 16 01:13:38 <CVirus> actually it's xls not xsl
Jun 16 01:13:44 <CVirus> http://people.openmoko.org/testing/software/Testreport/20080613/
Jun 16 01:17:26 <ebbe> CVirus: Yeah, sounds odd
Jun 16 01:17:51 <ebbe> It looks like it's an Microsoft format
Jun 16 01:18:38 <CVirus> it is
Jun 16 01:18:59 <ebbe> That's not so smart..
Jun 16 01:19:00 <CVirus> the test templates are nicely done though
Jun 16 01:19:07 <ebbe> Agree
Jun 16 01:22:24 <CVirus> haha
Jun 16 01:22:27 <CVirus> nice quit message
Jun 16 01:22:57 <ebbe> Yes :) I always laugh when I see it
Jun 16 01:23:34 <mjr> methinks the testers haven't gotten the point quite yet (though yes, they look nice)
Jun 16 01:23:58 <ebbe> mjr: What do they miss?
Jun 16 01:24:13 <CVirus> I suppose they are not related to the project at all ?
Jun 16 01:24:18 <CVirus> they're just here for testing .. maybe
Jun 16 01:24:48 <mjr> CVirus, mabbeh
Jun 16 01:24:59 <mjr> ebbe, the point of the project, what with xls and all, you know
Jun 16 01:25:12 <ebbe> Ahh. Yes
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