**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 20 02:59:56 2008
Jun 20 04:28:59 <kdean06> Is there a Veruna and Mitra?
Jun 20 06:16:16 <tunys> Helloes!
Jun 20 06:16:28 <tunys> haz question.
Jun 20 06:16:32 <tunys> I understand what the ASU is
Jun 20 06:16:38 <tunys> but why would I need it?
Jun 20 06:19:32 <Infinyte> <_<
Jun 20 06:19:52 <Infinyte> Eh.. Isn't it the latest version of the Openmoko software?
Jun 20 06:26:14 <tunys> it's like a framework to make all QTopia apps work and stuff
Jun 20 06:26:25 <tunys> I don't like the look of it.
Jun 20 06:27:17 <Infinyte> Ah, I dunno. I'm just a n00bie end-user.
Jun 20 06:27:20 <Infinyte> :<
Jun 20 06:27:39 <Infinyte> Sucker for anything OpenSource though. :3
Jun 20 06:33:46 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r69292c50569a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Remove -debug from the build and hope things get faster
Jun 20 06:33:47 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r015bac689e8f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade kernel to get the a6k netdev fix
Jun 20 06:33:59 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb3c4e0b3c9a5 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Remove -debug from the build and hope things get faster
Jun 20 06:34:00 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r44919270e970 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade kernel to get the a6k netdev fix
Jun 20 06:41:14 <Infinyte> So when do I get me my Freerunner? >:D
Jun 20 06:41:31 <patoh> when they are ready
Jun 20 06:41:39 <Infinyte> XD
Jun 20 06:41:44 <Infinyte> Good answer.
Jun 20 06:54:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 20 07:11:31 <methril> morning
Jun 20 07:27:43 <andrenarchy> g'day
Jun 20 07:27:46 <andrenarchy> ;)
Jun 20 08:02:32 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke * r8aeb6532dbdc 10/src/libraries/qtopiabase/qtopialog-config.h: [log] Remove logging from a lot of places with the hope to increase the speed
Jun 20 09:36:27 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * rbfdd9fb700a6 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc data/themes/zhone_error.edc src/zhone): Add simple error dialog
Jun 20 09:36:29 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r67500fc363f8 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_error.edc): Use a TEXTBLOCK part for the error message
Jun 20 10:10:22 <d3vice> g'morning
Jun 20 10:10:41 <ebbe> G'day
Jun 20 10:10:56 <hari> hi d3vice 
Jun 20 10:11:08 <d3vice> hey hari
Jun 20 10:39:08 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c99d56f3c34 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko.conf] add ability for our autobuilders to play with deploy dir
Jun 20 10:47:04 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r31db01cee8ad 10/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb: [dfu-util-native] deploy into DEPLOY_DIR_NATIVE
Jun 20 10:59:48 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra92b1ea9f7e0 10/packages/openocd/openocd-native_svn.bb: [openocd-native] deploy into DEPLOY_DIR_NATIVE
Jun 20 12:13:52 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3e36b74b985e 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: [glamo] Update the origin of glamo, now hosted on git.openmoko.org
Jun 20 12:13:52 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r67af3870fbc2 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [glamo] Put OE patches "upstream" and additonal keyboard fixes
Jun 20 12:24:08 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh * re15b9242f222 10/odeviced/recipes/odeviced_git.bb: Add bitbake recipe for odeviced, doesn't work though
Jun 20 13:09:38 <mickeyl> morning folks
Jun 20 13:10:21 <methril|weekend> afternoon here :)
Jun 20 13:10:23 <Sup3rkiddo> mornin
Jun 20 13:10:48 <Sup3rkiddo> ~lart methril|weekend  for not following UGT
Jun 20 13:10:48 * apt_ overclocks methril|weekend until methril|weekend burns out for not following UGT
Jun 20 13:11:24 <methril|weekend> some u-boot guru here?
Jun 20 13:11:33 <methril|weekend> or kernel hacker?
Jun 20 13:11:59 <Blastur> ~lart Sup3rkiddo larting
Jun 20 13:11:59 * apt_ farts in Sup3rkiddo larting's general direction
Jun 20 13:12:10 <Blastur> ~lart Sup3rkiddo 
Jun 20 13:12:10 * apt_ hauls Sup3rkiddo up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles
Jun 20 13:12:12 <Sup3rkiddo> eew
Jun 20 13:12:18 <Sup3rkiddo> :/
Jun 20 13:12:20 <Blastur> :(
Jun 20 13:12:46 <Sup3rkiddo> not botfarts
Jun 20 14:01:32 <mmu_man> April Software Update ? hmm that's in 10 months :)
Jun 20 14:08:11 <balrog-kun> next release should be named something like "Wednesday Software Update"
Jun 20 14:08:20 <balrog-kun> so it's applicatble more often :)
Jun 20 14:09:28 <summatusmentis> noone's seen ASU except insiders right?
Jun 20 14:09:33 <summatusmentis> well, and kdean
Jun 20 14:10:01 <balrog-kun> hmm
Jun 20 14:10:12 <mmu_man> "oh yeah they said they will ship in september!"
Jun 20 14:10:15 <mmu_man> "which year ?"
Jun 20 14:10:18 <balrog-kun> summatusmentis: i think what i ran on my gta01 was ASU...
Jun 20 14:10:31 <balrog-kun> and in the emulator
Jun 20 14:10:38 <roh> asu is what looks like kdeans screenies
Jun 20 14:10:39 <mmu_man> ;)
Jun 20 14:11:10 <balrog-kun> yep, what i ran in qemu looked like kdeans screenies, so i think gta01 people saw it too
Jun 20 14:11:26 <balrog-kun> if they wanted that is
Jun 20 14:16:31 <balrog-kun> unless if by insiders you mean anyone with a neo1973 of some breed
Jun 20 14:32:00 <Sup3rkiddo> summatusmentis, ola
Jun 20 14:43:09 <summatusmentis> hi Sup3rkiddo 
Jun 20 14:52:23 <|cody|> Anyone using Tangogps are their neo1973?
Jun 20 14:52:55 <SpeedEvil> es
Jun 20 14:52:59 <SpeedEvil> s/e/ye/
Jun 20 14:53:00 <apt_> SpeedEvil meant: yes
Jun 20 14:53:52 <|cody|> Sweet, then maybe you can help me, No matter where I go with my neo I always get "no GPS found" at the bottom left hand corner.
Jun 20 14:54:01 <|cody|> I installed gllin from the openmoko site
Jun 20 14:54:11 <|cody|> and I installed tangogps from opkg
Jun 20 14:54:23 <SpeedEvil> you've installed the startup script for gpsd/gllin from the tangogps site?
Jun 20 14:54:42 <|cody|> No, I am using the script from the openmoko site...
Jun 20 14:54:52 <|cody|> I'll try the one they supply on tangogps
Jun 20 14:55:16 <SpeedEvil> It may take up to 10 mins for the first lock.
Jun 20 14:56:47 <|cody|> wow...
Jun 20 14:56:52 <|cody|> Will it always take that long?
Jun 20 14:56:57 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jun 20 15:01:26 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6cd7f51a7de0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: pick up upstream e changes to allow for delayed actions (for pwr button)
Jun 20 15:01:26 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6eccddf8b658 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume update - new hold to shutdown config and using e features as well as
Jun 20 15:01:27 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd6327c8df754 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: efl update to make sure illume updates work
Jun 20 15:01:28 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0dc1213e22b0 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev
Jun 20 15:02:50 <|cody|> SpeedEvil: Alrighty... I'll give that a go. In the meantime, I really want the matchbox keyboard as the default keyboard for Openmoko, I ran opkg install matchbox-stroke to get the matchbox keyboard, but now that I have it, I have no idea how to make it my default keyboard.
Jun 20 15:02:58 <|cody|> Any suggestions?
Jun 20 15:03:29 * SpeedEvil also has ni idea.
Jun 20 15:03:38 <SpeedEvil> s/i/o/
Jun 20 15:04:45 <balrog-kun> iirc someone here used a init.d script to switch the keyboard to mb keyboard on every boot
Jun 20 15:05:06 <|cody|> I tried these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards but I ended up having to flash the moko because I could never get the original back up.
Jun 20 15:06:01 <|cody|> also, there is no such thing as matchbox-keyboard-method anymore... at least when I run a opkg list | grep -i keyboard
Jun 20 15:06:21 <|cody|> err.. matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod
Jun 20 15:06:52 <balrog-kun> i don't believe it can't be fixed by removing the original keyboard and symlinking its binary name to machtbox keyboard :)
Jun 20 15:08:45 <|cody|> balrog-kun: Well, even if I can't get the keyboard as the default keyboard after startup, is it possible just to run the keyboard when I need it? i.e. should I just be able to run matchbox-stroke and the keyboard pop up?
Jun 20 15:12:32 <balrog-kun> |cody|: i would think so
Jun 20 15:14:49 <|cody|> balrog-kun: When I run matchbox-panel-2, absolutely nothing happens other than the terminal hanging out. Very sad...
Jun 20 15:31:49 <anishmangal2002> is there any qemu emulator image for GTA02
Jun 20 16:15:55 <sandman__>  /join #gsoc
Jun 20 16:16:00 <sandman__> oops
Jun 20 16:21:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe * r3b7c1b1e63b0 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: Don't activate the buttons on hover
Jun 20 16:23:08 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd7e2cc3fe219 10/packages/meta/meta-toolchain.bb: [meta-toolchain] create usr/lib/opkg before using opkg as needed
Jun 20 16:51:32 <mohamed> hi all, www.openmoko.org is not responding is it down ?
Jun 20 16:54:36 <Blastur> works fine here
Jun 20 16:55:12 <mohamed> Blastur: where is your location ?, I'm in Egypt
Jun 20 16:55:33 <Blastur> sweden
Jun 20 17:13:54 <methril|laptop> for me is ok
Jun 20 17:14:39 <methril|laptop> (Spain)
Jun 20 17:18:02 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:03 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:03 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:03 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:05 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:08 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:11 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:14 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:17 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:20 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:23 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:26 <ZeusX^7> pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
Jun 20 17:18:58 <tomboy64> wtf?
Jun 20 17:19:40 <henkie> shit, i will have OPS?!
Jun 20 17:19:48 <henkie> too good to be true
Jun 20 17:19:58 <methril|laptop> IRC OP? why
Jun 20 17:20:00 <methril|laptop> ?
Jun 20 17:20:03 <methril|laptop> :)
Jun 20 17:20:14 <henkie> :)
Jun 20 17:20:21 <henkie> so we can k-line ppl?
Jun 20 17:20:32 <ZeusX^7> nope
Jun 20 17:20:39 <ZeusX^7> :)
Jun 20 17:21:02 <henkie> hahaha
Jun 20 17:21:13 <henkie> talk of the devil  :)
Jun 20 17:21:27 <Sup3rkiddo> i am sooo in there
Jun 20 17:28:13 <mohamed> hi all, www.openmoko.org is not working with me; I live in Egypt. is there anyone here from egypt can try the website working or not ? someone from Sweden said that it's working fine
Jun 20 17:29:46 <zash> mohamed: www.openmoko.org redirects to wiki. for me
Jun 20 17:30:09 <methril|laptop> in spain too
Jun 20 17:30:37 <mohamed> you mean is spain is working or not ?
Jun 20 17:30:47 <Blastur> isn't that default behaviour? 
Jun 20 17:30:56 <Blastur> the site is working, and redirects to wiki
Jun 20 17:31:24 <Blastur> you are the only one who seems to be experiencing problems mohamed.. maybe something wrong with your local ISP?
Jun 20 17:32:54 <mohamed> Blastur: I think so but I just wanted to make sure that it's ISP problem not my machine problem :)
Jun 20 17:37:29 <methril|laptop> in spanish is working
Jun 20 17:38:51 <tedo> mohamed: you can ping 88.198.58.17 ?
Jun 20 17:41:01 <mohamed> tedo: not responding :(
Jun 20 17:48:01 <zash> but, 88.198.93.221
Jun 20 17:48:09 <zash> (wiki)
Jun 20 17:55:11 <tedo> mohamed: so you have routing issues and not just simple nameserver problems...
Jun 20 17:56:24 <mohamed> any suggestions ?
Jun 20 17:56:38 <mohamed> tedo: should I contact the ISP ?
Jun 20 17:58:57 <tedo> mohamed: if other pages work fine, i would contact the isp. 
Jun 20 17:59:22 <mohamed> tedo: ok thanks for your time :)
Jun 20 17:59:51 <tedo> mohamed:  just send me 5$ :-P
Jun 20 18:00:21 <mohamed> tedo: ok tell me your postal address to send you :D
Jun 20 18:02:30 <Sup3rkiddo> hi, are the ssh-keys for git.freesmartphone.org? I am getting the big bad ssh banner about the man-in-the-middle attack
Jun 20 18:02:37 <Sup3rkiddo> changed
Jun 20 18:37:41 <methril> gcc3.4.6 error
Jun 20 18:39:36 <methril> http://pastebin.com/m63b803d0
Jun 20 18:39:47 <methril> some clue?
Jun 20 19:40:35 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke * re0fc52570375 10/devices/ficgta01/etc/Tasks.cfg: [tasks] Remove tasks that we don't need in Qtopia
Jun 20 19:40:35 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03zecke * r2846d76490d1 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp: [qtopia] The QCOP message to set the time of systemtime did not get send
Jun 20 19:45:14 <|cody|> Turns out the GPS on my neo1973 does work, but I can't see any maps under Tangogps! What's the deaL?
Jun 20 19:52:10 <SpeedEvil> you need to download tiles
Jun 20 19:52:26 <SpeedEvil> Waqnder over to teh 'config' tab and set it up to store maps on /media/card/maps
Jun 20 19:52:39 <SpeedEvil> (create that dir maybe too)
Jun 20 19:52:56 <SpeedEvil> Now, look for a 'download current area' or something
Jun 20 19:53:15 <SpeedEvil> downloading to depth 0 gets you the 4 tiles that cover the current map.
Jun 20 19:53:31 <SpeedEvil> To depth 1 - 16, to depth 2 64, ...
Jun 20 19:55:52 <xzcvczx> mickey_away: very far away?
Jun 20 20:02:54 <xzcvczx> has there been a circuit diagram or subset of been released?
Jun 20 20:16:07 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jun 20 20:16:17 <SpeedEvil> Well - not a meaningfull subset.
Jun 20 20:16:33 <SpeedEvil> IIRC there is a circuit diagram of the connections of the debug port somewhere.
Jun 20 20:28:56 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: ah thanks
Jun 20 20:36:46 <balrog-kun> and the battery circuits
Jun 20 20:53:21 <OJW> now while the druids are celebrating, it appears now to be midsummer's eve.  didn't I read somewhere that freerunner would be available by midsummer?  ;)
Jun 20 20:53:33 <jOERG_rw> xzcvczx: call me "Mr.Schematics". Ask whatever you want to know
Jun 20 20:55:12 <jOERG_rw> OJW: I read it will be in shops on July 4
Jun 20 20:55:20 * balrog-kun hasn't seen any druids
Jun 20 20:55:31 <jOERG_rw> steve told this on the ML
Jun 20 20:56:26 <jOERG_rw> balrog-kun: maybe they're duing magic druid things so they are invisible ;-)
Jun 20 20:57:16 <xzcvczx> jOERG_rw: ok, i am wanting to add a i2c device into the neo, and was wondering whether there is a 100nF decoupling capacitor and also preferably a 4.7uF electrolytic as well
Jun 20 20:57:18 <balrog-kun> jOERG_rw: that would make sense
Jun 20 20:57:48 <balrog-kun> or maybe it's me not leaving my flat for the last week
Jun 20 20:57:51 <jOERG_rw> on power, or where should these C be?
Jun 20 20:58:37 <xzcvczx> jOERG_rw: yeah on between power and the pull-up resistors
Jun 20 21:00:11 <xzcvczx> s/on//
Jun 20 21:00:12 <apt_> xzcvczx meant: jOERG_rw: yeah  between power and the pull-up resistors
Jun 20 21:01:14 <jOERG_rw> the pullup-Rs are in IO_3V3. There are no special C right there on the debug-connector
Jun 20 21:01:57 <jOERG_rw> tthat's 3.3V for system-wide IO supply
Jun 20 21:03:20 <jOERG_rw> xzcvczx: or are you talking about debug-board?
Jun 20 21:03:31 <xzcvczx> nah talking about the neo
Jun 20 21:03:48 <jOERG_rw> GTA01 ? 02?
Jun 20 21:03:54 <xzcvczx> going to attach to the testing points behind the screen of the 01
Jun 20 21:04:05 <jOERG_rw> ahhh, I see
Jun 20 21:04:10 <jOERG_rw> mompl
Jun 20 21:04:23 <xzcvczx> mompl?
Jun 20 21:04:30 <jOERG_rw> have to find them on schematics
Jun 20 21:04:39 <jOERG_rw> moment please
Jun 20 21:04:43 <xzcvczx> ah
Jun 20 21:04:45 <xzcvczx> :)
Jun 20 21:05:46 <xzcvczx> H-TP4703 & H-TP4704
Jun 20 21:08:12 <jOERG_rw> H-TP4703
Jun 20 21:08:12 <jOERG_rw> H-TP4704
Jun 20 21:08:31 <jOERG_rw> correct. U have same on debug-conector
Jun 20 21:08:55 <jOERG_rw> there is a 47k pullup on both, somewhere in the system
Jun 20 21:09:28 <jOERG_rw> still don't know why you need to know about power-filtering C
Jun 20 21:09:33 <xzcvczx> lol gotta love the "somewhere in the system"
Jun 20 21:10:08 <jOERG_rw> well, it's a bus. doesn't matter where exactly they are located
Jun 20 21:10:15 <xzcvczx> because the device i am going to add includes and adc so needs a decently smooth powersupply. hence wondering whether a 100nF cap is already included
Jun 20 21:11:00 <jOERG_rw> we got quite some different power rails on GTA02. All of them have some C
Jun 20 21:11:16 <xzcvczx> errr.... 47k or 4k7?
Jun 20 21:11:25 <jOERG_rw> IO_3V3 isn't THAT smooth
Jun 20 21:11:53 <jOERG_rw> 47k
Jun 20 21:12:28 <xzcvczx> ok thanks for that
Jun 20 21:13:01 <jOERG_rw> you should have a choke and own pair of C for your A/D power supply, then may use IO_3V3
Jun 20 21:14:42 <xzcvczx> jOERG_rw: cheers, will look into that
Jun 20 21:15:07 <jOERG_rw> xzcvczx: CU
Jun 21 00:33:09 <ChooseOpen> Hello guys.  I lost my USB cable.  Anybody know what kind I need to replace it with?  I found both USB A/Mini-B 4-pin Cables and USB A/Mini-B 5-pin Cables 											
Jun 21 00:42:57 <jOERG_rw> ChooseOpen: 5-pin
Jun 21 00:50:33 <mmu_man> ugh there are different types of mini-b connectors ??
Jun 21 00:50:34 <mmu_man> bleh
Jun 21 00:52:48 <hfsplus> yeah
Jun 21 00:52:56 <hfsplus> but you can get all-in-one kits and crap
Jun 21 00:53:10 <hfsplus> from radioshack/thesource by circuit city (us/canada)
Jun 21 01:01:00 <ChooseOpen> excellent.  Thanks for the info!
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