**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 04 02:59:57 2008 Jul 04 02:59:59 cd .. Jul 04 02:59:59 ls Jul 04 03:00:06 dvarnes: it looks like he ordered 60 with 52 phones confirmed and payed for and 6 phones unconfirmed which leaves 2 spare. might be lucky hey? ps jealous of buying a neo1973. should have got one :P Jul 04 03:00:13 digitalslave: Wrong window? Jul 04 03:00:27 haha yep damn track pad heh Jul 04 03:00:48 digitalslave: At least it wasn't your root password Jul 04 03:01:06 wurp2: i did that before Jul 04 03:01:11 hahaha Jul 04 03:01:21 wurp2|jeffszusz: yah me too xD Jul 04 03:01:31 roh: I'll have to learn some more more before your -dev and --dev and minrev/maxrev stuff make sense to me :-) Jul 04 03:01:34 i like reading all the logs at work from everyone putting there password in for their username :) Jul 04 03:01:38 i was due for a new password anyway... but i was lucky nobody used it before i had a chance to change it Jul 04 03:01:38 heh Jul 04 03:01:45 alphabeat, jeffszusz: :-( Jul 04 03:01:50 digitalslave: you're evil! i like that Jul 04 03:02:11 It's also amazing what you'll see on a nic in promiscuous mode Jul 04 03:02:21 haha true that! Jul 04 03:02:28 wurp2 in oe recipes one can define max, min or ranges thus of revisions which patches get applied. Jul 04 03:02:30 Like people's pwds on all the sites that didn't know enough to use https for login form submission Jul 04 03:03:04 wurp2 so if the patch which gets applied is merged, one sets the maxrev to one version below or so (atleast thats how i got it) Jul 04 03:03:14 roh: I see Jul 04 03:04:45 roh: How do we submit patches? openmoko-devel? Or is there a list of private email addys? Jul 04 03:05:08 yeah.. just the list Jul 04 03:05:16 or if you think it makes sense we Jul 04 03:05:31 eh we can add a milestone and you add them as attachment to tickets Jul 04 03:06:06 roh: That could work too... it seems like it would feel more reliable Jul 04 03:06:22 roh: As in, we can see a comment on the ticket that says submitted, and don't have to search email logs for it Jul 04 03:06:34 well.. its only how the 'group' of developers plans its workflow Jul 04 03:07:01 roh: Is there any material I can read to get some clues about this? Jul 04 03:07:19 eh.. which part Jul 04 03:07:31 Whichever parts have docs :-) Jul 04 03:07:43 ehehe Jul 04 03:08:01 well.. trac is easy.. it has documentation Jul 04 03:08:03 bitbake, how you're using milestones, what the procedure has been to submit patches in the past Jul 04 03:08:12 OK Jul 04 03:08:20 I've had "read up on trac" in my todo for a long time Jul 04 03:08:26 Now I guess I'll actually do it Jul 04 03:08:37 submitting patches... eh.. well..the opensource-default.. send by mail, do not mangle long lines ;) Jul 04 03:08:45 use diff -u eh svn diff -u Jul 04 03:09:09 Yeah, for that I was more concerned with internal procedures Jul 04 03:09:33 But I'm not even sure what the questoins are right now, so I'll just try it the way that seems obvious the first time Jul 04 03:09:34 i.e. how the cabal performs its rituals ;) Jul 04 03:09:37 And get corrected Jul 04 03:09:44 Dave: exactly Jul 04 03:09:48 tribal knowledge Jul 04 03:09:52 :) Jul 04 03:10:11 Every tribe is different ;) Jul 04 03:10:23 wurp2 i think currently we are happy if people can code and submit good patches.. one easily looks over process minors then Jul 04 03:10:45 That sounds encouraging. Jul 04 03:10:48 Well, I can code & submit patches Jul 04 03:10:58 We'll see if you conclude they are good or not ;-) Jul 04 03:11:27 We'll see if you get voted off the island or not. ;) Jul 04 03:12:12 OK, 2007.2 is OM distro, right? Not apps, mostly? Jul 04 03:12:30 and 2007.2 is a git branch, yes? Jul 04 03:17:46 2007.2 is a set of apps om did Jul 04 03:18:59 roh: OK Jul 04 03:19:05 has anyone submitted a /. story now that the FR is actually available? Jul 04 03:19:17 hmmm, android running natively on certain HTC devices Jul 04 03:19:24 including my Kaiser \o/ Jul 04 03:19:58 Heil? Jul 04 03:22:00 gmaxwell: maybe you should ! think of the karma! wait is that how /. works? Jul 04 03:22:10 oy Jul 04 03:22:18 Who really cares? Jul 04 03:22:40 Me! The more sales the more funding they have to build more awesomer phones Jul 04 03:23:01 more awesomer? Jul 04 03:23:21 and let me guess, the freerunner is more funner, too? Jul 04 03:23:29 yup! ;) you know, stuff like multi-touch, better graphics Jul 04 03:23:31 * Dave rolls his eyes Jul 04 03:23:49 the freerunner is off the funtastic scale Jul 04 03:23:54 alphabeat, dont push this better graphics thingy Jul 04 03:23:57 hah Jul 04 03:24:04 oh, yeah :p Jul 04 03:24:05 they will interpret it as: you want qvga Jul 04 03:24:43 Needs more cores? Jul 04 03:25:22 josch: i don't want to start another vga discussion so i'll refrain ;) Jul 04 03:25:40 I'm pretty happy with the gfx hw Jul 04 03:25:46 I would like to have a bigger screen :-/ Jul 04 03:26:19 i would like.... Jul 04 03:26:21 or like the communication devices in EFC... Jul 04 03:26:37 SXGA on 2.8" XD Jul 04 03:26:40 you click it and the side extends and a flexible display screen extends outward, providing a bigger display :D Jul 04 03:27:16 and youre really gonna use that when? Jul 04 03:27:40 come on, it's more awesomer, right? :p Jul 04 03:28:10 na thats when i sit on the couch with to comp hooked to the big screen on the wall ;) Jul 04 03:28:29 oh, hot Jul 04 03:28:43 haha Jul 04 03:28:56 if i need a bigger screen to work with im more than likely doing real work and the keyboard on the phone most likely wont get it all done Jul 04 03:29:09 right :P Jul 04 03:29:32 but still cool heh Jul 04 03:29:41 Indeedy weedy! Jul 04 03:30:09 i just see all the morons pulling out the extra screens walking down the street so people will notice them with this glowing ribbon of web ads haha Jul 04 03:30:13 digitalslave: That's why you need to always carry a fold-up bt kbd in your pocket Jul 04 03:30:31 my phone has a full keyboard already :) Jul 04 03:32:15 :D Jul 04 03:35:49 * ljp has a phone without a screen Jul 04 03:35:58 O.o Jul 04 03:36:13 * Dave is jealous Jul 04 03:36:36 i guess I do too ... if you count a console based VoIP softphone ... Jul 04 03:36:47 pfft Jul 04 03:36:51 :-/ Jul 04 03:37:01 you and your modern technology Jul 04 03:37:10 i also have some cans and string available. Jul 04 03:37:15 oooh Jul 04 03:37:32 Two styrofoam cups and a length of yarn? :D Jul 04 03:37:33 drums work better than cans and string Jul 04 03:37:54 Telephone, anyone? :D Jul 04 03:38:05 im high tech - only mono filiment fishing line for me heh Jul 04 03:38:27 oh, but that only works in Europe Jul 04 03:38:45 US uses cotton string Jul 04 03:38:58 hahaha Jul 04 03:39:13 and you cant get styro cups with cotton string Jul 04 03:40:14 i didnt see an instruction booklet in the list of optional accessories Jul 04 03:40:17 :D Jul 04 03:40:42 i think i botched me order Jul 04 03:40:42 linuxxr, are you referring to the freerunner or our cotton string cup phone? :D Jul 04 03:40:46 who reads those? wasted manufacturing cost heh Jul 04 03:40:51 I wasn't aware it came with accessories :D Jul 04 03:40:52 hahahaha Jul 04 03:40:55 yyup that too Jul 04 03:41:00 ooh, nice :P Jul 04 03:41:11 instructions? Jul 04 03:41:18 haha, I wonder if I could market such a device to the public. Jul 04 03:41:19 i hear taking phone calls is an accessory ;) Jul 04 03:41:21 a sac Jul 04 03:41:30 Pull string, talk in cup. Jul 04 03:42:05 whisper back some seemingly profane remarks and see if it works :D Jul 04 03:42:28 h e l l o Jul 04 03:42:39 * Dave claps Jul 04 03:42:49 recon not Jul 04 03:42:54 Well, aren't you clever. Jul 04 03:43:30 so dave u got your phone ? Jul 04 03:43:40 freerunner? Jul 04 03:43:55 linuxxr: having troubles? Jul 04 03:44:11 no have finished the order yet Jul 04 03:44:18 hmm.. is there already a name for the project? Jul 04 03:44:38 i got 2 1 dollar charges on me visa Jul 04 03:45:05 thinking im gonna be double billed Jul 04 03:45:42 rut roh Jul 04 03:45:42 i just ordered 1 phone an 1 extras stuff Jul 04 03:46:27 we will see:) Jul 04 03:47:36 roh: The project to get 2007.2 apps running on FSO backbone? Jul 04 03:48:06 Ah, that reminds me, I need a few more debug boards. Jul 04 03:49:08 Why >1? Jul 04 03:49:39 just wants to test the limit and see if he can chain them together and still charge :) Jul 04 03:50:03 Hmm? Jul 04 03:50:38 because the more hardware you need, the more important you sound Jul 04 03:50:39 * russellb runs Jul 04 03:50:51 * Dave rolls his eyes at russellb. Jul 04 03:51:13 dave you havent hear russellb order yet ;) Jul 04 03:51:24 hmm? Jul 04 03:51:25 heard? Jul 04 03:51:31 What are you talking about? Jul 04 03:51:43 Are we in Soviet Russia? Jul 04 03:51:52 * russellb is not. Jul 04 03:51:55 Is that why everything is confusing, and somewhat counterintuitive? Jul 04 03:52:18 roh: If so, we're just calling it SHR so far. (Stable Hybrid Release) Jul 04 03:53:15 is this releases progress noted somewhere? Jul 04 03:53:16 wurp2|away_again: the most important thing to consider. How many of what sort of animals are in the stable. Jul 04 03:53:19 Stable? Something here is stable!? Jul 04 03:53:22 Tell me more! Jul 04 03:53:30 * benlake giggles Jul 04 03:53:33 Speedevil, where's the zoo? Jul 04 03:54:52 * russellb offers Dave a banana. Jul 04 03:56:23 * Dave screeches like a monkey. Jul 04 03:56:47 any canadians on? Jul 04 03:56:57 somebody found slackware:) Jul 04 03:57:37 Arg0naut: yes Jul 04 03:59:45 Arg0naut: in canada Jul 04 03:59:52 MILK COMES IN BAGS. Jul 04 03:59:57 hehe Jul 04 04:00:02 :p Jul 04 04:00:04 crazy canadians Jul 04 04:00:05 Dave: not the good milk Jul 04 04:00:05 among other thing :p Jul 04 04:00:07 Indeed. Jul 04 04:00:11 doc, heehee Jul 04 04:00:21 no one said anything about there being good milk ;) Jul 04 04:00:45 do any canadians know what the brokerage fees are going to be? Jul 04 04:00:54 anyway, how about those maple leafs? Jul 04 04:01:01 i don't suppose theres an emulator or somesuch for the gta02 somewhere out there is there? Jul 04 04:01:05 Arg0naut: I think the only words to describe it are "fucking horrendous" Jul 04 04:01:06 doc, tell him about your crazy group scheme! Jul 04 04:01:09 Arg0naut: 10 pack? Jul 04 04:01:11 qemu nullpuppy Jul 04 04:01:11 :D Jul 04 04:01:23 ah, alright Jul 04 04:01:27 single Jul 04 04:01:33 i suppose that makes sense, dunno why i didn't think of that.. Jul 04 04:01:55 Arg0naut: you're as well off going with expedited, it costs only a little bit more, gets there quicker and brokerage fees are included Jul 04 04:02:03 Arg0naut: ups suck :( Jul 04 04:02:20 Arg0naut: in any case, http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shipping/cost/zones/customs_clearance.html is what you want Jul 04 04:02:24 ah, ups -> canadia be teh crappy eh? Jul 04 04:02:30 nullpuppy: very much so Jul 04 04:02:36 that sucks :( Jul 04 04:03:07 do be doo... damn toolchain stuffs needs to download faster Jul 04 04:03:13 i'm tired of waiting ;) Jul 04 04:13:33 Hiya Jul 04 04:13:50 how long do you think it will be before the FreeRunners run out? Jul 04 04:15:17 looks like 278 left Jul 04 04:15:43 wow, how many were there to begin with? Jul 04 04:15:51 no idea Jul 04 04:16:19 i'm guessing 1-2k Jul 04 04:16:45 what are the order numbers upto now? Jul 04 04:17:10 i was 1539, and i think there were around 350 left around then Jul 04 04:17:18 and that was about 9 hours ago or so i think. Jul 04 04:18:22 :( Jul 04 04:18:26 this is urgent... Jul 04 04:18:34 I need to get money from my parents fast Jul 04 04:18:58 huh.. what are these webshot re-open gifts? does anyone that bought a single from the website get that? Jul 04 04:19:02 i'm confused Jul 04 04:19:48 are they still manufactoring them? Jul 04 04:20:26 tuny by the time things are all settled and working there will more than likely be another model out :) Jul 04 04:20:35 I was order 1416.. but I dunno how many were left then. Jul 04 04:20:36 the order numbers are likely not an accurate representation of how many were sold Jul 04 04:20:46 i don't want the next model Jul 04 04:20:49 I want the current one Jul 04 04:20:49 as multiple quantities, especially 10pks, would only get 1 number Jul 04 04:20:55 oh, I guess the 10x packs were one order. Jul 04 04:21:07 ieatlint: yeah, most likely. Jul 04 04:21:16 yeah Jul 04 04:21:54 hopefully they'll release some metrics, but you never know Jul 04 04:22:23 I'm just glad I got an order in before a sellout. ;) Jul 04 04:22:45 would suck to wait a long long time to get it and then have a new model come out shortly thereafter. Jul 04 04:22:51 gmaxwell: me too :) just wish my chase card would have worked instead of having to resort to bofa Jul 04 04:23:30 nullpuppy, the charge (being from some processing company in tw?!) freaked out my card company and they called me to make sure it was all good. Jul 04 04:23:55 gmaxwell: i never got a call. i tried calling them, twice in fact. Jul 04 04:24:02 and it still refused to go through Jul 04 04:24:29 i got a call from wamu over my order Jul 04 04:30:58 Your Order ID is: 1813 Jul 04 04:31:10 :) Jul 04 04:34:01 gmaxwell, here in germany we already got our phones since a few days :P Jul 04 04:34:01 http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/ProudFreerunnerOwners Jul 04 04:34:14 lucky bastiges! Jul 04 04:34:15 ;) Jul 04 04:35:42 can any of you lucky germans get some videos of the free runner strutting it's stuff? Jul 04 04:36:24 * pabs3 hopes the aus order comes quickly Jul 04 04:37:04 crazy germans Jul 04 04:37:19 warum magst du david hasselhoff so? Jul 04 04:37:32 o.O Jul 04 04:38:47 crazy USA-lers... Jul 04 04:39:14 crazy californian here... Jul 04 04:40:35 :D Jul 04 04:40:45 Bay Area \o/ Jul 04 04:41:19 WA state here Jul 04 04:42:35 san francisco :) Jul 04 04:44:27 which phone should i get, i'm in the us, but like to travel Jul 04 04:44:32 \o/ Jul 04 04:45:34 are you on att or tmobile? Jul 04 04:45:52 i have a sprint pcs phone now Jul 04 04:46:30 the freerunner is a gsm phone, which is not compatible with sprint Jul 04 04:47:15 ok so i'll change to something new Jul 04 04:47:18 torgi - u need a gsm phone Jul 04 04:47:38 nullpuppy - WA here too ;) Jul 04 04:47:46 swc|666: awesome ;) where abouts? Jul 04 04:47:51 seattle Jul 04 04:47:51 well, att uses 850 and 1900, tmobile US uses 1900 but in a handful of areas allows roaming onto 850 networks Jul 04 04:47:57 u? Jul 04 04:48:01 bothell Jul 04 04:48:17 going to school in redmond (digipen), off for the summer though Jul 04 04:48:17 right on... i live on beacon hill Jul 04 04:48:22 awesome. Jul 04 04:48:24 900 is the most common international frequency because 900mhz has excellent building penetration, but 1800 is also a common one Jul 04 04:48:33 are u in the seattle group for the FR? Jul 04 04:48:44 nope. i should probably change taht though :) Jul 04 04:48:54 we just ordered today :/ Jul 04 04:49:22 ooh, you mean for like a group order? i bought mine earlier anyways, so no worries there Jul 04 04:49:49 right on... i tried to get an extra one today but Hi Trust isnt compatable with BofA Jul 04 04:50:05 haha, really? weird... Jul 04 04:50:19 yep... tried all morning :s Jul 04 04:50:20 i had to order with bofa, because chase wouldn't go through Jul 04 04:50:48 really... i used a business check card so maybe that was the kicker Jul 04 04:51:04 hmm, maybe, i used my bofa credit card Jul 04 04:51:11 not check card Jul 04 04:51:28 thats probably the difference Jul 04 04:51:49 yeah Jul 04 04:51:50 wicked weather recently eh? Jul 04 04:52:02 what kind of errors did you get with the check card? Jul 04 04:52:07 hehe, yeah, i love it ;) Jul 04 04:52:19 500 error Jul 04 04:52:25 sunday was teh suck being all hot and nasty, but been good since then Jul 04 04:52:37 huh, yeah, thats what i got with chase too *shrugs* Jul 04 04:52:41 pabs3: did you go with simon Jul 04 04:52:46 ? Jul 04 04:52:53 alphabeat: yeah Jul 04 04:53:08 did you get the email he sent at 2? Jul 04 04:53:38 ah, you'll have to remind me, which one is that? I think I deleted it Jul 04 04:54:05 "Summary of Group Buy on Friday the 4th". Jul 04 04:55:26 yep Jul 04 04:55:34 [07:31] Your Order ID is: 1813 Jul 04 04:55:42 is this an incrementing number or what ? Jul 04 04:55:59 seems to be. no idea what it started at Jul 04 04:56:03 alphabeat: I got confused, it is only 1pm here :) Jul 04 04:59:04 hmm.. for those using qemu for stuffs... how are you building the image? are you using the motomakefile stuff, or otherwise building from scratch? Jul 04 04:59:06 alphabeat, got response from simon .. all taken .. no probs, will wait till a 900Mhz version becomes avail .. the Neo on my desk still looks good :-) Jul 04 05:00:24 pabs3: you must be in wa? well it was sent an hour ago Jul 04 05:00:35 dvarnes: :( bad luck Jul 04 05:00:47 alphabeat, pabs,out of interest, what was the final cost for the .au group purchase ? Jul 04 05:07:47 $430 including shipping and insurance to simon i believe Jul 04 05:07:54 PABS! Jul 04 05:08:46 alphabeat, hmm ,,, good price .. buggah Jul 04 05:08:59 yeah we scored a deal with the OM guys Jul 04 05:09:32 i was almost going to become a reseller. should have done it! Jul 04 05:11:39 anybody out there have any experience with pygtk on openmoko? Jul 04 05:11:46 I got the python package installed Jul 04 05:11:54 but there don't appear to be gtk bindings for python in the repo. :-( Jul 04 05:14:01 WOOT! Jul 04 05:14:06 ferric? Jul 04 05:14:08 * ferric waves to wurp2|away_again Jul 04 05:14:18 Dave: sorry, a little inebriated - so excited. Jul 04 05:14:28 just a wee bit o'the old liquerz. Jul 04 05:14:30 :P Jul 04 05:14:39 tinyurl.com/5lnygx Jul 04 05:14:53 frogpad on the neo1973 :) Jul 04 05:19:58 Hey pabster Jul 04 05:20:27 hey Jul 04 05:22:14 well, looks like wurp sorted stuff out with roh Jul 04 05:22:28 nezza-_-: haha, thats freaking awesome :) Jul 04 05:23:48 hmm, how's the sms support on the neo? or has anyone tested that recently? Jul 04 05:24:17 hah. looks like we're going back to 2007.2 Jul 04 05:24:18 * ferric sighs. Jul 04 05:24:29 hehe Jul 04 05:24:47 nullpuppy: freerunner? Jul 04 05:24:59 ferric: yeah. Jul 04 05:25:00 Am i dreaming or is the GTA02 on sale now ? oO Jul 04 05:25:10 theocrite: your dreaming :) Jul 04 05:25:14 except, yes, it is for sale too Jul 04 05:25:15 theocrite, selling and going fast Jul 04 05:25:15 ;) Jul 04 05:25:18 I wish I was dreaming Jul 04 05:25:26 \o/ Jul 04 05:25:32 Woohoo Jul 04 05:25:36 gogogo, order! Jul 04 05:25:44 Since long ? Jul 04 05:25:45 Is it possible for me to reserve one, pay later? Jul 04 05:25:54 now isn't the best time for me Jul 04 05:26:01 :( Jul 04 05:26:11 i can pay 1/4 of the price plus shipping now Jul 04 05:26:28 tunys: see if there are any groups doing group orders that might have some spares Jul 04 05:26:48 nullpuppy, where would I look for that? Jul 04 05:26:51 might be able to work with people, but you probably couldn't do that directly Jul 04 05:26:56 where are you located? Jul 04 05:27:00 lol - reserve one pay later. Jul 04 05:27:03 Arrrrrrrrizona. Jul 04 05:27:07 tunys: that's what credit cards are for. Jul 04 05:27:25 tunys: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List ? Jul 04 05:27:30 ferric, my debit card has about $5 on it Jul 04 05:27:36 theocrite, search for "tuna" Jul 04 05:27:50 tunys: crrrrrrrrredit Jul 04 05:27:58 ferric, no haz Jul 04 05:28:12 Whoops, my bad. Jul 04 05:28:18 The link is : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales Jul 04 05:29:48 Tuscon... Jul 04 05:29:55 3/10 so far Jul 04 05:29:58 :/ Jul 04 05:30:04 i live like 2 hours away from Tuscon Jul 04 05:30:08 Hi I am trying to build sample project from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain; I did as per guided in page but iam getting error:configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Jul 04 05:30:16 how to cope with this? Jul 04 05:30:16 whoa Jul 04 05:30:24 jitu3485: are you using mokomakefile? Jul 04 05:30:42 felipe_, no I am using toolchain method Jul 04 05:30:45 * tunys must realize more and more every day how remote he is... Jul 04 05:30:59 ferric, , no I am using toolchain method Jul 04 05:31:09 felipe_, sorry Jul 04 05:31:39 jitu3485: can you compile normal files? have you installed the build-essentials? Jul 04 05:32:00 jitu3485: no idea, sorry, mokomakefile is easier to deal with Jul 04 05:32:13 ferric, ok yhanks Jul 04 05:32:24 ferric: isnt mokomakefile the toolchain? Jul 04 05:32:36 jitu3485: can you compile normal files? Jul 04 05:33:01 nezza-_-, i have build-essential , i haven't tried to compile normal files Jul 04 05:33:10 jitu3485: try this.. Jul 04 05:33:27 jitu3485: seems to be a linker problem.. so may you will get further output if you compile a normal file Jul 04 05:33:55 nezza-_-, ok i am trying this thanks Jul 04 05:34:21 nezza-_-: that is one way. Jul 04 05:36:12 where is the main openmoko svn? Jul 04 05:37:27 ferric: ferric svn.openmoko.org? Jul 04 05:42:36 nezza-_-: hm, that doesn't seem to have 2007.2 Jul 04 05:45:10 ok, that might be it: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ Jul 04 05:47:08 ferric: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/ Jul 04 05:47:12 to late -_ Jul 04 05:47:13 - Jul 04 05:47:18 how many are left? Jul 04 05:47:18 i'm becoming older =P Jul 04 05:47:23 japp http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ Jul 04 05:47:30 Hi there. Jul 04 05:47:38 for the old 2007.2 stuff Jul 04 05:47:45 hi Ainulindale Jul 04 05:48:29 nezza-_-, I compiled with normal file (only a printf statement in a C file )but still it gives configure:error : C compiler cannot create executables and FATAL: oe_runconf failed. Jul 04 05:49:36 roh: per your conversation with wurp2 earlier today, is that the right place to start from to branch into git and then run git-svn so we can submit patches back to the mailing list? Jul 04 05:51:47 hmm, looks like ~265 singles left, and 39 10 packs Jul 04 05:53:28 nezza-_-: you compiled for the freerunner ? Jul 04 05:53:41 errr Jul 04 05:53:43 ferric well.. if one wants to use git for app development locally... Jul 04 05:53:49 s/nezza/jitu3485/ Jul 04 05:54:06 Ainulindale: he got problems with his gcc/linker Jul 04 05:54:10 jeddy3: if you're compiling on a system which tells you that, it's usually a binutils problem Jul 04 05:54:14 Argh Jul 04 05:54:18 My tab completion is doomed Jul 04 05:54:24 Ainulindale: hehe Jul 04 05:54:28 jitu3485: if you're compiling on a system which tells you that, it's usually a binutils problem Jul 04 05:54:33 jitu3485: yeah Ainulindale is right.. recheck the binutils Jul 04 05:54:36 roh: what would you suggest? Jul 04 05:54:59 Ainulindale, thanks, good to know ;) Jul 04 05:55:08 ok Jul 04 05:55:30 ferric i think that depends on what one wants to work. i think we should involve people like xora and mickeyl in that discussion Jul 04 05:55:39 how many FR's are left? Jul 04 05:56:21 roh: cool. i'm just enabling, wurp2's sorta leading that so i'll see if we can get an email thread started. Jul 04 05:56:43 ferric yeah.. better take it to openmoko-devel@ Jul 04 05:56:52 better snr there than community@ Jul 04 05:57:02 jeddy3: t-t-t :-) Jul 04 05:57:13 roh: from that log wurp2|away_again added to the SHR talk page, it seemed like he wanted to use git internall and then pushes patches to devel@ Jul 04 05:57:27 roh: there's signal on community@? :-) Jul 04 06:07:51 ive added shr as milestone Jul 04 06:08:05 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap Jul 04 06:08:43 Just out of curiosity Jul 04 06:08:54 Is it possible, right now, to build an image for gta02 and emulate it ? Jul 04 06:09:18 yep Jul 04 06:09:21 got qemu? Jul 04 06:10:03 qemu, and a built fso image Jul 04 06:10:13 tried to do -M gta02fake Jul 04 06:10:19 roh: you're awesome - thanks! Jul 04 06:10:31 but I keep having s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 Jul 04 06:10:36 (while flashing) Jul 04 06:11:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU Jul 04 06:11:28 Already checked. Jul 04 06:11:50 I did manage to build and use my images before, but right now I was fiddling with MACHINE= Jul 04 06:12:11 oh, i dunno Jul 04 06:12:34 where does the local.conf thats needed for building openmoko need to live? Jul 04 06:12:59 * nullpuppy notes wiki build environment stuff needs some serious lovin ... ;) Jul 04 06:22:38 nullpuppy: build/conf/local.conf Jul 04 06:23:06 wurp2|away_again: http://github.com/aditya/openmoko-shr/tree Jul 04 06:23:07 Ainulindale: Did you see my post about building a hybrid release, 2007.2 apps build on FSO backbone? Jul 04 06:23:18 ferric: Awesome! Jul 04 06:23:25 just pulled in 2007.2 Jul 04 06:23:32 It's 1:23am where I am, so I need to go to bed Jul 04 06:23:42 2:23am here :-) but no work tomorrow. Jul 04 06:23:58 Yeah :p Jul 04 06:24:05 Woohoo, holiday... ~_~ Jul 04 06:24:05 tomorrow = saturday for me :P Jul 04 06:24:10 paaaaaaaaartay! Jul 04 06:24:12 wurp2|away_again: also, http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap Jul 04 06:24:21 but still, morning Jul 04 06:24:34 You should talk some with paulproteus Jul 04 06:24:45 and also read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Stable_Hybrid_Release Jul 04 06:25:01 wurp2|away_again: Where ? Jul 04 06:25:01 wurp2|away_again: read it Jul 04 06:25:11 wurp2|away_again: i don't care where it's hosted, but i just wanted to get something up, so that. Jul 04 06:25:12 Oh and by the way my image seems to be weird Jul 04 06:25:13 jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00148020: 0xd614 instead Jul 04 06:25:17 A lot Jul 04 06:25:23 wurp2|away_again: we can pull into pp's repo as well. Jul 04 06:25:34 Ainulindale: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Jul 04 06:25:50 wurp2|away_again: so i'm going to pull in FSO sources as well, and then work on integrating FSO with 2007.2 Jul 04 06:25:51 ferric: Yeah, I don't care who runs it Jul 04 06:26:06 Aaaaaah so you're Bobby Martin Jul 04 06:26:06 ferric: Wow. I'm going to go upstairs, and sleep. Jul 04 06:26:08 wurp2|away_again: and we can do ASU later. Jul 04 06:26:10 I was wondering :-) Jul 04 06:26:13 Ainulindale: Oh, yeah Jul 04 06:26:14 ok, do i need to set $OMDIR? or does the motomakefile stuff take care of that? Jul 04 06:26:15 That's me Jul 04 06:26:33 wurp2|away_again: sleep well! Jul 04 06:26:38 ferric: thx Jul 04 06:27:05 wurp2|away_again: i'm going in the right direction though, yes? Jul 04 06:27:38 ferric: Yeah, that sounds perfect to me Jul 04 06:27:57 I think you should look at what roh (an OM developer) said in that link I gave Jul 04 06:28:18 It clarified a little what lives in svn, what's in git, how we should manage revision control Jul 04 06:28:30 wurp2|away_again: I added myself to the list of interest in buying you time to find tasks to do Jul 04 06:28:39 +r Jul 04 06:28:41 Ainulindale: Excellent, thanks! Jul 04 06:28:47 wurp2|away_again: I did - and I talked to roh as well. it looks like step 1 might be to push from our internal repo into their svn tree Jul 04 06:28:51 But I fear I won't be of any use Jul 04 06:29:03 Ainulindale: Can you give an email address, either in pm or obfuscated in your user page? Jul 04 06:29:22 Ainulindale: Eh, if nothing else you could help us test Jul 04 06:29:25 Already done Jul 04 06:29:36 ferric: Excellent! Jul 04 06:29:45 Yes, I know, but I prefer to do some technical stuff :-) Jul 04 06:29:57 er Jul 04 06:29:59 I prefer you to, as well Jul 04 06:30:01 :-) Jul 04 06:30:09 i think making 2007.2 b0rked apps working with FSO is a big task Jul 04 06:30:11 woohoo, one more person and I have a ten pack :) (That and the credit card transfer taking fucking days) Jul 04 06:30:15 Ainulindale: we need you Jul 04 06:30:18 None of us know anything about this yet Jul 04 06:30:25 yep Jul 04 06:30:31 ferric: Sexually you mean ? :-) Jul 04 06:30:36 of course. Jul 04 06:30:41 what other way would there be? Jul 04 06:31:04 I have a lot of dev experience, but none integrating with a big OSS project like this Jul 04 06:31:19 Though your proposition of sexual pleasing is flattering, I'm more concerned right now with building a working and proper FSO image Jul 04 06:31:23 And not much embedded, and no experience with git (but I've used git-like repos) Jul 04 06:31:25 hahah Jul 04 06:31:37 haha Jul 04 06:31:38 wurp2|away_again: same here Jul 04 06:31:39 that's the easy stuff, wurp2|away_again Jul 04 06:31:40 well played Jul 04 06:31:47 We can save all the sexual gratification for our FR vibrators Jul 04 06:31:53 Yay Jul 04 06:31:54 touche Jul 04 06:32:03 An opensource dildo Jul 04 06:32:06 Classy Jul 04 06:32:14 haha, thats not a bad idea Jul 04 06:32:18 indeed. i find this very pleasurable Jul 04 06:32:20 ferric: Yeah, but I think to get phone & sms working just requires building a phonekit workalike that delegates to ophoned Jul 04 06:32:21 morning Jul 04 06:32:23 My girlfriend will be pleased, in both meaning Jul 04 06:32:30 we should build a market around open source sex toys Jul 04 06:32:32 +s Jul 04 06:32:34 ferric: And that doesn't seem daunting Jul 04 06:32:44 I'm going this way now. >_> Jul 04 06:32:46 wurp2|away_again: i'm not quite sure what the interaction between the dialer, and gsmd is in 2007.2 Jul 04 06:32:53 Well, as I was saying, I have a problem with my image Jul 04 06:33:04 Looks like there's a weird jjfs error Jul 04 06:33:05 ferric: Per the diagram I was looking at, it all was mediated through phonekit Jul 04 06:33:07 open source sex toys? where i can find one? :) Jul 04 06:33:14 how many handsets left? Jul 04 06:33:14 methril: up your ass ? :-) Jul 04 06:33:16 wurp2|away_again: that diagram was 2007.2? cool. Jul 04 06:33:18 ferric: And comments from mickey|zzZZzz seemed to back that up Jul 04 06:33:20 oh! no Jul 04 06:33:28 FreeF*cker Jul 04 06:33:32 wurp2|away_again: i saw a date on it, but wasn't sure if it was some sort of pipe-dream or the real deal Jul 04 06:33:36 i'm still virgin Jul 04 06:33:42 in that place :P Jul 04 06:33:47 ferric: The diagram on the pdf, that had phonekit & gsmd, was 2007.2 Jul 04 06:34:01 methril: As in "free as in free rectum" ? Jul 04 06:34:04 wurp2|away_again: ok, awesome. Jul 04 06:34:10 OK, I need to go scrub my brain until I forget the banter in here Jul 04 06:34:11 then sleep Jul 04 06:34:18 'night all Jul 04 06:34:19 puaj, i'm not in that way Jul 04 06:34:21 wurp2|away_again: you've got a head start on that, so i'll work on integrating the FSO stuff, if I can. Jul 04 06:34:29 And for my part I really want to make this image work Jul 04 06:34:32 ferric: OK, great Jul 04 06:34:32 Oh methril by the way Jul 04 06:34:36 alphabeat: what image? Jul 04 06:34:41 The image built Jul 04 06:34:41 rly gone now Jul 04 06:34:42 but... Jul 04 06:34:44 nice Jul 04 06:34:47 doesn't work Jul 04 06:34:48 jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x002a4024: 0xb406 instead Jul 04 06:34:56 (a lot) Jul 04 06:35:05 are you building FSO from source? Jul 04 06:35:11 uf !! flash devices is my nightmare Jul 04 06:35:11 * nullpuppy patiently waits while oe/om stuffs checks out... Jul 04 06:35:13 22%! Jul 04 06:35:26 ferric: yep Jul 04 06:35:30 Anyone have any idea when they'll have more Freerunner 900's in stock? :( Jul 04 06:35:36 Ainulindale: mokomakefile? Jul 04 06:35:50 FacelessJ: i don't think they even put their stock up yet. Jul 04 06:36:15 Ahh so that's why they're sold out. I thought people just really liked the phone. :P Jul 04 06:36:24 ferric: nope Jul 04 06:36:27 that's known to happen too. Jul 04 06:36:29 Ainulindale: why not? Jul 04 06:36:30 ferric: Manual hassle Jul 04 06:36:37 Because I like the pain Jul 04 06:36:45 Whip me you manly boy Jul 04 06:37:00 And more seriously, because I was trying to understand what mokomakefile does Jul 04 06:37:22 oy vey. Jul 04 06:37:23 I went to the site yesterday, the store wasn't open, I went in there today, it was open. I was like "ZOMG BUY!!", and then moments later "AWWWWW sold out already!!? >_<" Jul 04 06:37:25 FacelessJ: well we like it also Jul 04 06:37:34 FacelessJ: are you in europe? Jul 04 06:37:38 Nah, australia Jul 04 06:37:40 Aus by the looks Jul 04 06:38:01 ah Jul 04 06:38:04 FacelessJ: you should have got in earlier on the Aus-wide group buy Jul 04 06:38:21 ?? Jul 04 06:38:23 ferric: nonetheless it won't work, is that a rootfs problem ? Jul 04 06:38:32 FacelessJ: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Sales_Australia Jul 04 06:38:40 alphabeat: yes, sounds like it Jul 04 06:38:48 er Jul 04 06:38:52 Ainulindale: ^^ Jul 04 06:39:02 So how could I cope up with that ? Jul 04 06:39:03 heh i was like o_O Jul 04 06:39:48 do you have any build log Jul 04 06:39:50 ? Jul 04 06:39:51 Ainulindale: no idea. Jul 04 06:40:54 methril: errr, what for ? Jul 04 06:41:00 I built it, that's all Jul 04 06:41:05 I can give you a flash log if necessary Jul 04 06:41:12 But there was no special thing during build Jul 04 06:41:20 Apart from the traditionals 404 Jul 04 06:41:21 Yeah, that's alright, I probably wouldn't have gone in the group buy anyway, as I live a few hours away from a capital city, and the cost to get it would end up being almost the same price anyways. :P Jul 04 06:41:24 yes, but if we need to see the problem... let's see what happens with the build Jul 04 06:41:33 methril: as I said, nothing special Jul 04 06:41:37 ok Jul 04 06:41:48 just a bunch of NOTE: Jul 04 06:41:50 but 0 failed Jul 04 06:42:13 i need to check the fso in my own, at least :) Jul 04 06:42:43 methril: besides it looks like a rootfs problem to me Jul 04 06:43:23 you did the image for gta01? or for qemu? Jul 04 06:43:30 maybe you found a bug :) Jul 04 06:43:30 qemu Jul 04 06:43:47 Maybe, but I still want to be able to use FSO ! :-) Jul 04 06:44:21 The messages are as follows : Jul 04 06:44:21 Node at 0x00003c18 with length 0x00000519 would run over the end of the erase block Jul 04 06:44:25 Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size? Jul 04 06:44:27 jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00003c1c: 0x0519 instead Jul 04 06:44:38 Ad nauseam Jul 04 06:51:58 What is the debug board needed for? Do you have to have it if you want to develop for the freerunner? Jul 04 06:52:33 no Jul 04 06:52:38 you need it if you screw up Jul 04 06:53:08 Ainulindale: did you use the openmoko/flash.sh script? Jul 04 06:53:34 hey, how many handsets left? Jul 04 06:53:43 or you need it if you wan't to flash/personalize u-boot for example Jul 04 06:53:59 methril: yep I used it Jul 04 06:54:05 and flash the correct image (I think) Jul 04 06:54:08 Hrmmm. Jul 04 06:54:13 ed Jul 04 06:54:15 + Jul 04 06:54:21 * FacelessJ tries to decide if it's worth the extra $100 for the DBoard. Jul 04 06:54:33 wurp2|away_again, roh, I've read the scrollback - good conversation. Jul 04 06:55:16 are there schematics for the dboard if someone wanted to make it? Jul 04 06:55:20 FacelessJ are you going to do kernel dev? or are you going to make some HW hack? Jul 04 06:55:52 methril: flashed that : Jul 04 06:55:54 Using 'uImage-2.6.24+git5ccaca2adb1c37b5955a4733f68ae08a755e3d78-r0-om-gta02.bin' as the kernel image. Jul 04 06:55:57 Using 'Angstrom-fso-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080703-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image. Jul 04 06:56:00 Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' as bootloader. Jul 04 06:56:08 I'd probably just be making apps for it. I would like to mess around with the kernel, but my experience in that area is extremely lacking Jul 04 06:56:33 then of are only apps, you can save $100 Jul 04 06:56:34 "I'd flash that" Jul 04 06:57:10 ieatlint, Where in SF? (-: Jul 04 06:57:29 presidio Jul 04 06:57:33 you in sf too? Jul 04 06:57:42 nullpuppy, Yay, I'm in SF (-: Jul 04 06:58:00 eh? i'm in wa ... ;) Jul 04 06:58:00 kk, so I won't buy the DBoard yet. I'll buy it later if I deem it necessary. :P Jul 04 06:58:20 where in sf paul? Jul 04 06:58:38 do you have jffs2 support on your linux kernel? Jul 04 06:58:46 you can try to mount your image Jul 04 06:59:20 methril: it wouldn't output these messages if I didn't, wouldn't it :-) Jul 04 06:59:36 Oh my english is crappy today Jul 04 06:59:44 what message? Jul 04 07:00:31 ferric, I'd rather avoid github if possible; okay if we use my server, git.asheesh.org? Jul 04 07:01:10 ieatlint, 14th & Valencia St, just about Jul 04 07:01:21 opposite side of the city then :P Jul 04 07:01:32 good morning Jul 04 07:01:33 methril: about jjfs errors Jul 04 07:01:35 Valencia St? Jul 04 07:02:02 methril, That's where I live, I'm saying. Jul 04 07:02:02 paulproteus: oh, absolutely. Jul 04 07:02:08 Michael Shiloh lives in SF also Jul 04 07:02:09 paulproteus: any particular reason re: gitub? Jul 04 07:02:16 http://www.calaquendi.org/moko/moko.log <= methril Jul 04 07:02:16 er, github Jul 04 07:02:38 I just don't really like centrally hosted services hosted by people who aren't me, when I can avoid them. Jul 04 07:03:08 I foresee a future where no one except massive companies can afford to host network services, and then we'll end up with the Internet like television - where the costs to entry are so high that it's not a real open network anymore. Jul 04 07:03:12 Mornin Jul 04 07:03:34 At least, that's the current reason. Jul 04 07:03:35 paulproteus: uh. :-) Jul 04 07:03:40 Sometimes I have other reasons. (-: Jul 04 07:03:53 well, the beauty is that it's git, so we can pull push eat from everywhere. Jul 04 07:03:53 paulproteus: why is that? It's way cheaper nowadays to host a website than it was ever before Jul 04 07:03:54 :-) Jul 04 07:04:07 Like *whiney voice*"I just don't wanna" :P Jul 04 07:04:25 Wander_w, Sure, but it's not actually cheap to host e.g. a mail service. Jul 04 07:04:41 Not the same way it's cheap to host a website, that's for sure. Jul 04 07:04:44 paulproteus: why would that happen? Jul 04 07:04:45 The percentage of open source hackers who just use Gmail is astounding. Jul 04 07:05:02 paulproteus: really? just buy a dedicated server, plunk exim/postfix/whatever on it and your done Jul 04 07:05:08 indeed Jul 04 07:05:12 it's not even difficult Jul 04 07:05:13 paulproteus: the original reason I went with github was simply because its easier to make things more visible to people that wouldn't have found them otherwise. :) Jul 04 07:05:13 Wander_w, Well, that's what *I* do, don't get me wrong. Jul 04 07:05:16 nevermind expensive Jul 04 07:05:21 paulproteus: yeah, that's because gmail is so damn good Jul 04 07:05:31 gmail is also READING YOUR EMAIL. Jul 04 07:05:35 I wasn't all that impressed by gmail Jul 04 07:05:37 morning gais Jul 04 07:05:44 but then I use a real fucking email client :) Jul 04 07:06:02 doc|home: mutt ? :-) Jul 04 07:06:05 Gmail is also proprietary software, which bugs me for mostly obvious reasons. Jul 04 07:06:07 doc|home: I use to many computers to have a "real" email client Jul 04 07:06:08 Ainulindale: hah Jul 04 07:06:11 doc|home, alpine ! Jul 04 07:06:12 Ainulindale: pine! ;) Jul 04 07:06:20 i'm the king of the world, my openmoko arrived :P hello and good morning everyone :) Jul 04 07:06:22 Wander_w: never heard of imap? Jul 04 07:06:27 doc|home++ Jul 04 07:06:30 doc|home: no Jul 04 07:06:31 is your build/conf/local.conf with machine neo1973 Jul 04 07:06:32 ? Jul 04 07:06:35 Wander_w: look it up Jul 04 07:06:44 doc|home: i have not never heard of imap Jul 04 07:06:49 doc|home, Don't have to be edgy about it! Jul 04 07:06:54 drscream lucky you Jul 04 07:06:56 paulproteus: edgy? Jul 04 07:07:10 Wander_w: then where's the problem? Jul 04 07:07:15 * paulproteus shrugs Jul 04 07:07:19 Yay, MokoMakefile made my fresh FSO image. Jul 04 07:07:27 doc|home: there's no problem, I'm quite happy with gmail Jul 04 07:07:29 Okay ferric, where I am I need to go to sleep. Jul 04 07:07:44 roh, Can we get SSH keys to be able to push to the OM git repo instead of creating our own? Jul 04 07:07:46 10 past midnight on the eve of a holiday? :P Jul 04 07:07:48 Wander_w: fine then! and! yeah! wait, what were we talking about again? Jul 04 07:07:50 And just push to a separate distro branch? Jul 04 07:07:57 doc|home: titties? Jul 04 07:07:59 paulproteus: that would rock. Jul 04 07:08:04 Wander_w: hooray! Jul 04 07:08:12 horray for boobies! Jul 04 07:08:16 bingo! :) Jul 04 07:08:16 roh seemed to really like the idea of us not creating separate infrastructure. Jul 04 07:08:35 yep. it feels too much like a fork, when it isn't. Jul 04 07:08:53 paulproteus: i think what he wanted was sending patches to 2007.2 so they could applied to that svn tree. Jul 04 07:08:54 So ferric, do we have a reason to pick the 2007.2 apps instead of the Qtopia apps? Jul 04 07:09:10 ferric, Right - and I realized that what he wanted was for us to use the OE patch infrastructure to write those patches. Jul 04 07:09:13 paulproteus: no, the idea is to eventually get them all, i just started with .2 first instead of ASU Jul 04 07:09:34 Rather than using a git-svn clone of the svn repository. Jul 04 07:09:55 Admittedly, that's kind of weird - versioning patches with an RCS rather than versioning files with an RCS. Jul 04 07:10:22 yeah, i don't quite understand that either. Jul 04 07:10:38 It's nice in that it easily integrates with svn - I see where he's coming from. Jul 04 07:10:45 or maybe he just wants us to send patches to be applied to the svn tree as opposed to giving someone commit access. Jul 04 07:10:53 Yes, that's what he wants. Jul 04 07:11:00 that's not versioning the patches, then Jul 04 07:11:01 Email patches to the OM devel list, they review and commit. Jul 04 07:11:17 well, i guess at some level it is Jul 04 07:11:18 Well, *we* would write our patches and put them in our OE git branch for our "distro". Jul 04 07:11:22 because each commit is a patch. Jul 04 07:11:52 So git would be versioning a directory with files called e.g. .../appname/paches/patch_remove_ophone.diff Jul 04 07:12:19 erk Jul 04 07:12:20 Like the way RPM packages ship patches directories, or the way many Debian packages do, if you know those systems. Jul 04 07:12:21 methril: that's the problem I pointed out. I just tried MACHINE="om-gta02". I'm trying now with MACHINE="om-gta01" Jul 04 07:12:28 i wasn't thinking of it that way Jul 04 07:12:37 That's the way roh seemed to be thinking of it. Jul 04 07:12:49 ok, need clarification. Jul 04 07:12:52 Ainulindale: did you get a working gta02 build? Jul 04 07:12:52 roh: ping? Jul 04 07:12:53 i see that you have the neo1973-partition scheme Jul 04 07:13:17 paulproteus: i don't _think_ he cares how we create the patch Jul 04 07:13:22 you can boot with the "-M gta02fake" qemu option Jul 04 07:13:33 paulproteus: so we could create a parallel tree and then just generate a patch that would apply cleanly to the svn tree. Jul 04 07:13:42 Yes, that's true. git-svn even makes that easy. Jul 04 07:13:44 Wander_w: doesn't look like it :-) Jul 04 07:13:51 Ainulindale: bummer Jul 04 07:13:56 cool. I think its safe to assume that, no? Jul 04 07:14:13 Well, somewhat easy. Jul 04 07:14:18 Well, anyway, better get back to work. >_> Bai Jul 04 07:14:22 Yes, should be easy enough. Jul 04 07:14:33 paulproteus: if you want to start with ASU, go ahead. Jul 04 07:14:40 i'm going to head to bed too, I think Jul 04 07:14:54 bed? that's where I just rolled out of Jul 04 07:15:00 Okay, well let's talk some more in the morning then. Jul 04 07:15:12 ferric, If I start with ASU will you also? Or would you rather start with 2007.2? Jul 04 07:15:29 paulproteus: what makes more sense? Jul 04 07:15:41 methril: won't boot. Jul 04 07:15:45 paulproteus: get one done first together, or start independently on both? Jul 04 07:15:51 incorrect device type in kernel Jul 04 07:15:56 oh! Jul 04 07:15:57 I'd say get one done together first. Jul 04 07:16:01 what a pity Jul 04 07:16:15 ok, sounds fine to me. Jul 04 07:16:23 we can start with ASU, as well. Jul 04 07:16:29 (i prefer qt anyway :-) Jul 04 07:16:37 do i need to edit the Motomakefile to build the FSO? Jul 04 07:16:48 nullpuppy yes Jul 04 07:16:52 nullpuppy: yes, just the right git tree Jul 04 07:16:54 OTOH ASU is more complicated and less stable. Jul 04 07:16:58 ok, which tree is that? Jul 04 07:16:59 So maybe we should stick to 2007.2. Jul 04 07:17:05 :-) Jul 04 07:17:08 I've come to a new decision, which is 2007.2. (-: Jul 04 07:17:10 paulproteus: lets sleep over it, yea? Jul 04 07:17:14 Good idea (-: Jul 04 07:17:23 tty in the morning Jul 04 07:17:30 BTW, where are you? Jul 04 07:17:36 nullpuppy the git tree for OE is the git.openembedded.net Jul 04 07:18:26 new york. Jul 04 07:18:27 you? Jul 04 07:19:26 San Fran Jul 04 07:19:26 Happy Independence Day! Jul 04 07:19:41 nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile Jul 04 07:19:43 paulproteus: you too! Jul 04 07:19:54 ferric: yup, reading that.... Jul 04 07:19:59 nullpuppy: it doesn't say where the OM_GIT_BRANCH for FSO is :/ Jul 04 07:20:06 precisely ;) Jul 04 07:20:18 rwhitby: poke? Jul 04 07:20:29 ferric: ouch Jul 04 07:20:35 BTW, hi Ainulindale. Jul 04 07:20:53 morning Jul 04 07:21:12 nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO#Repository_Checkout Jul 04 07:21:21 rwhitby: where's the right git repo to use for FSO with MMF? Jul 04 07:21:29 does anybody know why pulster now sells the freerunner for 329 EUR instead of 299 EUR? Jul 04 07:21:35 rwhitby: and sorry. :-) Jul 04 07:21:46 ferric, Use org.openembedded.dev Jul 04 07:21:53 + git.openmoko.org Jul 04 07:21:54 hmm, ok Jul 04 07:21:55 mhh Jul 04 07:22:02 oh aewsome. Jul 04 07:22:06 MokoMakefile makes an fso-image fine - I just made one 30 minutes ago. Jul 04 07:22:09 thanks paulproteus! Jul 04 07:22:19 nullpuppy: you hear that? Jul 04 07:22:24 yeah Jul 04 07:22:36 so i just change the brange to oe.dev Jul 04 07:22:39 ok, cool Jul 04 07:22:49 ferric: what paulproteus said Jul 04 07:22:49 er, probably org.openmoko.dev Jul 04 07:22:51 lemme re-check Jul 04 07:22:52 now, stupid question.. what does the default MMF build? Jul 04 07:22:52 i need to get my buildbox up. Jul 04 07:23:01 rwhitby: i'll update the wiki Jul 04 07:23:04 ferric, You want an account on my buildbox? Jul 04 07:23:14 default branch is o.om.dev Jul 04 07:23:26 OM_GIT_SITE := git.openmoko.org Jul 04 07:23:27 OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev Jul 04 07:23:33 That's what I used, and "make fso-image" built something. Jul 04 07:23:42 I haven't tried running it yet! Jul 04 07:24:07 ferric, If you want an account, PM or email me an SSH public key and I'll adduser you. Jul 04 07:24:16 paulproteus: that might be a good idea. i need to pull my ubuntu box out of that cardboard box its sitting in, though. Jul 04 07:24:20 there will be times where org.openembedded.dev will be more up to date than org.openmoko.dev for fso - if you can believe it, the fso guys are committing to the OE repo, not the OM repo. Jul 04 07:24:21 paulproteus: sweet. Jul 04 07:24:32 rwhitby, That's totally awesome. Jul 04 07:24:38 rwhitby: why is that? Jul 04 07:24:44 ferric: no idea Jul 04 07:24:51 It's for freesmartphone.org, not openmoko.org, that's why. (-: Jul 04 07:24:53 probably cause fso is wider application than OM Jul 04 07:24:58 we need to cut off their crack supply Jul 04 07:25:05 ferric-- Jul 04 07:25:06 probably becuase oe is bigger then om and has a wider support base or somesuch Jul 04 07:25:11 I plan to run FSO on my HTC devices (-: Jul 04 07:25:13 e.g. mickey|zzZZzz did fso for moto phones ... Jul 04 07:25:37 (in addition to OM) Jul 04 07:25:38 okay, okay. free crack for all. Jul 04 07:25:48 rwhitby: yeah, I saw his blog! Jul 04 07:25:50 that is neat. Jul 04 07:26:04 I'm waiting for the Treo650 port ... Jul 04 07:26:04 * paulproteus rebuilds on org.oe.dev Jul 04 07:26:14 that would rock. Jul 04 07:26:27 so.. is using org.oe.dev for everything prefered? (including stuff thats not FSO)? Jul 04 07:27:54 nullpuppy: no, other OM images will be more up to date in org.om.dev Jul 04 07:28:01 ok Jul 04 07:28:11 so, just change for fso, gotcha Jul 04 07:28:16 they are two disparate branches which cherry pick from each other Jul 04 07:28:22 * nullpuppy nods Jul 04 07:28:44 rwhitby we really need some graphs to document and explain all that trees and branches Jul 04 07:29:06 its easy once one knows what is where and why its abstracted that way, but we need to document it somehow Jul 04 07:29:19 just a list of them with a short explanation will do as well Jul 04 07:29:22 i put FSO also into the roadmap Jul 04 07:29:30 yeah, that'd be useful Jul 04 07:29:38 roh: now it all makes sense. Jul 04 07:29:39 just lets see it as a 'list of images' with links to some more information Jul 04 07:29:52 even if fso isnt developed in docs Jul 04 07:30:06 hrm. Jul 04 07:30:33 roh: wouldn't the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories page be that? Jul 04 07:30:46 /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. ... is setting that to 0 going to adversely affect anything other than qemu? Jul 04 07:30:46 hm.. now where i know that fso is org.oe.dev and not org.om.dev that changes somethin.. also user-access control on git seems much more complicated than neccessary Jul 04 07:30:49 except that it doesn't have ASU or FSO Jul 04 07:31:33 ;) Jul 04 07:31:38 bits are rotting fast Jul 04 07:32:06 ;-) Jul 04 07:32:18 I'll update it, if you think that's the right place Jul 04 07:33:18 paulproteus: Hi, sorry for the late answer :-) Jul 04 07:33:24 nullpuppy: from what I hear, setting it to 0 might enable some future ways of hacking your system Jul 04 07:33:36 ah, ok Jul 04 07:33:56 nullpuppy: and uhm... there was some other program that wanted it on 4096 don't know which program though Jul 04 07:34:22 k, guess i'll deal with that if i run into it then, otherwise, *shrugs* Jul 04 07:37:00 it was a pretty obscure program that required it on 4096, so it shouldn't be a problem Jul 04 07:37:10 ok, really off to bed. Jul 04 07:37:17 thanks paulproteus, roh! Jul 04 07:37:24 Ainulindale: best of luck with your build. Jul 04 07:38:10 yeah.. good idea.. last cigarette Jul 04 07:38:23 hmmm, anyone built qemu on 64bit? Jul 04 07:38:24 mhh Jul 04 07:38:45 Ainulindale, Glad to see you like this SHR idea. Jul 04 07:38:51 Ohmaigawd Jul 04 07:38:52 It's out Jul 04 07:38:53 <3 Jul 04 07:39:06 paulproteus: I'm glad to be able to work with people who seem to know things better than me Jul 04 07:39:19 At least it should help me, and perhaps I could help others :-) Jul 04 07:39:23 What's all this about battery life? >_> Jul 04 07:39:30 Magnifique (-: Jul 04 07:39:38 Totalement magnifique oui. Jul 04 07:40:06 Infinyte: it is not to be discussed Jul 04 07:40:12 <_< Jul 04 07:40:14 Ahh Jul 04 07:41:04 totally open phone, you are just not allowed to talk about the battery life :P Jul 04 07:41:11 xD Jul 04 07:41:23 Well, can you access Youtube on it yet? Jul 04 07:42:13 access it: yes, play the video's on it: I don't know Jul 04 07:42:34 Meh, actually that doesn't matter much to me. I'm wondering if I should buy it yet or not. >_> Jul 04 07:42:47 I'm afraid it's going to sell out. :< Jul 04 07:43:02 .... I thought it was allready sold out? Jul 04 07:43:09 (at least the 900Mhz version) Jul 04 07:43:12 In EU. Jul 04 07:43:14 I'm in the US though Jul 04 07:43:22 lucky bastard :P Jul 04 07:43:25 :D Jul 04 07:43:33 happy independence day btw Jul 04 07:43:40 Haha, thanke. Jul 04 07:43:44 wtf Jul 04 07:45:00 /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic Hi this package is not available in my system How to install them any Idea ? Jul 04 07:45:01 Looks like booting Jul 04 07:45:25 you are kidding me!!!!!!!! 900MHz is sold out!!!!!!! the world is not only europ and the states, there are other there too, you know... now what ? wait for another month? Jul 04 07:45:39 So, hmm. As far as usability goes here at launch, how does the Freerunner compare to the iPhone? Jul 04 07:46:00 Infinyte: depends on how you want to use it Jul 04 07:46:17 It booted. Jul 04 07:46:30 Well for the most part I want to use it to read stuff while I'm at work. >_> Jul 04 07:46:31 Infinyte: If you want to do what Apple allows you to do; then get the Iphone. Otherwise: get the freerunner Jul 04 07:46:33 But the touchscreen doesn't look like working. Jul 04 07:46:57 Meh, I have an unnatural hatred toward Apple, so I won't touch that. >_> Jul 04 07:47:06 then why ask?> Jul 04 07:47:35 Well I'm just wondering if I should put it off till the next OpenMoko is released, or whatever phone the Android'll be on. Jul 04 07:48:03 But then, I like the idea of supporting anything opensource. And Google's got enough cash.. Jul 04 07:48:58 Infinyte: I thought just the same Jul 04 07:49:13 Erm, in reference to what? Jul 04 07:49:16 And then I told myself that I didn't care each and every part was functional as they'll be soon enough Jul 04 07:49:22 Infinyte: About waiting and so on Jul 04 07:49:22 any news of when to get more 900 mhz FRs? Jul 04 07:49:25 Ah Jul 04 07:49:36 Yeah that's true. Jul 04 07:50:40 Blah. >_> Jul 04 07:52:14 hrm, ok, whats teh easiest way to cancel a MMF build? Ctrl+C doesn't want to work ;) Jul 04 07:52:14 Erm.. >_> That's not good. Jul 04 07:52:15 Error from the Hi Trust gateway: Jul 04 07:52:38 nullpuppy: try ctrl-backslash Jul 04 07:53:06 Oh I see. Jul 04 07:53:24 ah, thanks Jul 04 07:54:38 hrm, suck. Jul 04 07:54:48 or blow Jul 04 07:54:49 i don't think qemu likes a 64bit env :( Jul 04 07:55:10 error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type Jul 04 07:57:04 nullpuppy: ainu@calaquendi ~/oe/stuff $ uname -a Jul 04 07:57:04 Linux calaquendi 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 #6 SMP Mon Jun 30 11:08:35 CEST 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Jul 04 07:57:18 And it works. Jul 04 07:57:23 Linux goliath 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 14:15:37 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Jul 04 07:57:26 hrm Jul 04 07:57:27 wtf then Jul 04 07:58:20 are you using MMF? and did you change anything in the makefile or in local.conf? Jul 04 07:58:32 MMF ? Jul 04 07:58:38 mokomakefile Jul 04 07:59:06 I used it Jul 04 07:59:10 And =>BUILD_ARCH = "x86_64" Jul 04 07:59:16 yup Jul 04 07:59:18 hmm Jul 04 07:59:18 No problem with that. Jul 04 07:59:36 morning Jul 04 07:59:41 Morning Jul 04 08:00:01 morning Jul 04 08:01:17 mornin Jul 04 08:01:45 mornin (technically) Jul 04 08:02:11 so, wtf am i missing. hrm Jul 04 08:04:02 ah ha, found part of it, gnutls was apparently missing Jul 04 08:06:12 nothing in the mailing list regatding the second batch pf 900mhz models, any one got info on this issue? please Jul 04 08:06:23 smhar, the european resellers are shipping 900mhz already Jul 04 08:06:47 like pulster beartech Jul 04 08:07:03 s/r b/r, b Jul 04 08:07:22 why doesn't that bot listen to me? Jul 04 08:07:54 HauDyrArb, but they only sell to europ, I am in the middle ease, asia side, I was waiting for the openmoko store but it seems that all the models were sold to europ :-( Jul 04 08:09:05 some of them do international shipping Jul 04 08:10:05 HauDyrArb, not to Bahrain, I checked, international for them means the states :-( Jul 04 08:10:58 hmm, then i hope the moko store will get 900mhz models Jul 04 08:12:38 hey, how many 850 models left? Jul 04 08:12:58 250ish Jul 04 08:13:16 otherwise, the only option will be to order from the europian distributores into my aramex shope-and-ship mail address in UK, but this means I will be paying the 'whatever they call it' tax for europians, which is around 19% of the price Jul 04 08:13:35 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4506 10/developers/erin_yueh/pythonEFL-sudoku/ (15 files in 6 dirs): add puzzle theme file and read a puzzle (Erin Yueh) Jul 04 08:14:08 smhar, value-added tax Jul 04 08:14:42 its annoying but what can you do Jul 04 08:14:45 tunys: though this again is a number which has been entered into the store. It may not reflect the total number of phones avalable. Jul 04 08:14:56 but why should it pay it? I will be transporting it out of UK and europ Jul 04 08:14:59 SpeedEvil, really? Jul 04 08:15:07 tunys: yes Jul 04 08:15:12 well that makes me so much more comfortable. Jul 04 08:15:35 I may even get in some sleep tonight :) Jul 04 08:15:40 smhar, i think i was lucky i only paid 19% in my contry its 25% Jul 04 08:16:43 hrm, has anyone used qemu and the mokomakefile on ubuntu 64bit? Jul 04 08:16:44 tunys: Selling has slowed down by about half in the last 12 hours. Jul 04 08:17:05 tunys: if it speeds up to the original rate, it'll sell out about 12h from now. Jul 04 08:17:05 qemu is failing to build because ar can't find cutils.o, though it does exist... Jul 04 08:17:13 Of course, it could go way up. Jul 04 08:17:27 SpeedEvil, well, here's the thing Jul 04 08:17:39 I'm about to make big money Jul 04 08:17:41 big for me Jul 04 08:17:45 so $600 Jul 04 08:17:48 Congrats. Jul 04 08:17:52 i currently have $125 Jul 04 08:17:53 thanks! Jul 04 08:18:18 so I asked my parents if they could spot me about 300 Jul 04 08:18:28 long story short... "no" Jul 04 08:18:48 now this big money is coming from a commission Jul 04 08:18:56 I have to write a little web app Jul 04 08:19:15 It's likely more will be along soon. Jul 04 08:19:16 so the money will come in probably a month from now Jul 04 08:19:33 really? Jul 04 08:19:46 Ooh, I might get sleep in tomorrow night! Jul 04 08:20:10 Well - the intention has been that they will be available in more than a little batch. Jul 04 08:20:31 anyone has the link which has the software images for the freerunner, I am trying to show off in front of my wife :-) Jul 04 08:21:38 smhar, yes Jul 04 08:21:56 http://www.openmoko.com/product-gallery.html Jul 04 08:21:58 some right there Jul 04 08:22:24 smhar's wife: it's worth it, your husband will learn a lot Jul 04 08:23:13 smhar's wife: he'll even do extra chores for you if you buy it for him Jul 04 08:23:16 :) Jul 04 08:23:33 :-) Jul 04 08:24:51 how about "shut up woman and make me some pie" ? Jul 04 08:25:00 works for me Jul 04 08:25:23 Hmmmm Jul 04 08:25:27 | /home/ainu/oe/stuff/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Jul 04 08:25:33 Goood, gooood. Jul 04 08:25:59 wtf, my fr wont boot :/ Jul 04 08:26:19 hmm.. why does the page show screenshots of the old, GTK UI ? :> Jul 04 08:26:45 For zhone. Jul 04 08:27:04 Its just... not doing anything Jul 04 08:27:18 is it charged? Jul 04 08:27:25 That's your reward for having received it before me flexd ! :-) Jul 04 08:27:28 hrm, well this is frustrating Jul 04 08:27:31 Its been in the charger all night Jul 04 08:27:31 so yea Jul 04 08:27:36 * nullpuppy can't get qemu to build :( Jul 04 08:28:05 It was connected by usb to my debian box last night, but turned itself off (it was charging when connected), and i plugged it in the charger Jul 04 08:28:12 nullpuppy: log ? Jul 04 08:28:25 one moment, rebuilding Jul 04 08:28:53 Should i take the battery out and in again+ Jul 04 08:28:57 flexd: did you toy with it? (e.g. install new software?) Jul 04 08:29:06 flexd: that's what I'd do Jul 04 08:29:09 installed gps sight Jul 04 08:29:13 but that shouldnt matter right? Jul 04 08:29:24 if it's just an app, no Jul 04 08:29:41 its just an app yea Jul 04 08:29:52 NOTE: Running task 6136 of 6139 wooot Jul 04 08:30:11 Uhm Jul 04 08:30:16 I press the power button Jul 04 08:30:17 i hear Jul 04 08:30:19 "psh" Jul 04 08:30:21 from the speakers Jul 04 08:30:24 speaker* Jul 04 08:30:27 and then nothing Jul 04 08:30:33 hmmm Jul 04 08:30:40 flexd: did you remove the USB cable ? Jul 04 08:30:43 wait nvm, now it boots Jul 04 08:30:48 polz: i did, Jul 04 08:30:50 booting again now Jul 04 08:30:57 Ainulindale: well then.. nevermind. after running make clean manually in the qemu-neo1973 dir and make clean-qemu, seems to be buidling properly finaly Jul 04 08:31:01 removed usb + took battery out and put in again Jul 04 08:31:02 flexd: you're not supposed to remove the battery if it's still plugged into the USB Jul 04 08:31:17 polz: i removed the usb, THEN the battery.. Jul 04 08:31:20 polz: huh? why not? Jul 04 08:31:21 Not that stupid :p Jul 04 08:31:33 Wander_w: because the usb is a charger? Jul 04 08:31:37 so? Jul 04 08:31:51 disconnecting stuff with power connected is generally a bad idea. Jul 04 08:32:01 You dont go tampering inside your computer with the power still connected do you? ;) Jul 04 08:32:18 yeah it is a stupid idea.. but the hardware should be able to deal with it Jul 04 08:32:29 Wander_w: But let's assume it doesnt, and play it safe. Jul 04 08:33:23 nullpuppy: nice then :-) Jul 04 08:33:29 flexd: ah "assume" nevermind then, I thought it was "If you take out the battery with USB attached, you will distroy you moko" Jul 04 08:33:43 yup ;) Jul 04 08:33:55 currently grabbing pre-built uImage looks like Jul 04 08:34:05 erm, nope, rootfs, uImage already done Jul 04 08:34:39 Well, can't build zhone from fso current Jul 04 08:34:52 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 6139 tasks of which 2498 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. Jul 04 08:34:55 by the way, do i have to flash uImage each time too? Is that part of everything? Jul 04 08:34:59 * Wander_w does a little dance Jul 04 08:35:11 k. at the moment, i'm just trying to get a base something going to play with. Jul 04 08:35:32 gonna take a little time to wrap my head around the way everything is setup and what all is needed for what, etc... Jul 04 08:37:45 the uk dist says there will be a new batch in July 18, will the openmoko store offer them in the same time too? Jul 04 08:39:00 * SpeedEvil passes smhar the official magic-8-ball. Jul 04 08:39:24 the magic 8-ball says: matbe Jul 04 08:39:26 Maybe Jul 04 08:42:44 * roh made http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap a bit more detailed Jul 04 08:42:46 woo, qemu functions Jul 04 08:43:06 boots? huh Jul 04 08:43:47 oohhh /. Jul 04 08:46:59 huh. can't launch anything. either its going sloooooow, it's broken, or somethings missing... Jul 04 08:47:37 weird. Jul 04 08:47:42 Or you're running it in qemu. Jul 04 08:47:44 nullpuppy: qemu is always sloooooooooow Jul 04 08:47:59 nullpuppy: last build I did touchscreen wasn't working Jul 04 08:48:06 well, yeah, i know that ;) Jul 04 08:48:09 nullpuppy: it's like trying to climb a steep hill covered in tar and feathers, while someone has attached a car to your left leg. Jul 04 08:48:19 Ainulindale: this is using prebuilt stuff directly from om ... :/ Jul 04 08:48:23 lol Jul 04 08:48:25 Oh Jul 04 08:48:26 + add more stupid scenarios! Jul 04 08:48:28 It worked for me Jul 04 08:48:30 but wth :( Jul 04 08:48:33 huh Jul 04 08:48:48 suddenly i got kicked off ssh on the neo, and now it says "network unreachable" Jul 04 08:48:55 i get backlight changing notifications in teh console when i click in it Jul 04 08:49:09 or let it sit idle Jul 04 08:50:08 same here Jul 04 08:50:33 there was a ) missing ;) Jul 04 08:53:37 Ainulindale: did you ever manage to build fso? Jul 04 08:54:58 Thats right...my FR has been ordered!!! Jul 04 08:55:13 goodwill: yep Jul 04 08:55:16 I built it Jul 04 08:55:18 But as I said Jul 04 08:55:22 Touchscreen wasn't working Jul 04 08:55:37 And weirdly enough I couldn't do anything on qemu Jul 04 08:57:00 Ainulindale: its not building for me Jul 04 08:57:15 Why ? Jul 04 08:57:19 | gobject-generate-constants >> constants.py Jul 04 08:57:20 | /bin/sh: gobject-generate-constants: command not found Jul 04 08:57:25 Right now I just updated and tried to rebuild Jul 04 08:57:31 And it didn't find setup.py Jul 04 08:57:33 python-pygobject-native is broken it seems Jul 04 08:57:52 did you try to rebuild it ? Jul 04 08:57:57 twice Jul 04 08:58:20 Ainulindale: qemu doesn't do anything for me either Jul 04 08:58:25 just sits there Jul 04 08:58:36 saying "no network" Jul 04 08:58:51 So I just tried to buy the 850Mhz phone for the US. Jul 04 08:58:53 can you do ctrl alt 1/2 ? Jul 04 08:59:08 tessier, and? Jul 04 08:59:20 I put in my credit card number and everything. Then I confirmed the info. Then it says "error from the hitrust gateway" and my options were to re-submit or go back to the openmoko page. Jul 04 08:59:30 Now I don't know if the order went through, if I might accidentally order two, or what. Jul 04 08:59:34 g'morning Jul 04 08:59:56 tessier, there was a list email about this... Jul 04 09:00:10 jamewill: I'm not on at list I guess. Do you recall what it said? Jul 04 09:00:27 tessier, either use a non hitrust card or phone your card holder to allow overseas payments.... can't recall exact Jul 04 09:00:33 I did sign up for some openmoko announcement list expecting to be notified when it went on sale but didn't get anything. Jul 04 09:00:44 Oh...this is being charged from overseas? Jul 04 09:00:52 Let me try a different card. I just hope I don't end up with two. Jul 04 09:01:36 Ainulindale: will try that as soon as I get a qemu image up and running again Jul 04 09:03:09 tessier, for more see thread started harry tsai 9 hours ago on community list Jul 04 09:04:02 tessier, how about three? :D Jul 04 09:04:38 You've just purchased this Jul 04 09:04:38 1x Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850 Jul 04 09:04:40 woohoo! Jul 04 09:04:44 wqoot Jul 04 09:05:15 I ordered it with 3 day shipping so I should get it in time to show off at the LUG meeting this Thursday! Jul 04 09:06:22 Any idea why it isn't quad-band? Is that harder to do? That's the nice thing about standards: So many to choose from! Jul 04 09:06:31 I'm going to Vietnam for almost 3 weeks and won't be able to use my phone there. Jul 04 09:07:16 Only other thing I can say it's lacking is a camera. But all in good time, I'm sure. Jul 04 09:07:46 If I order from germany to uk, then the package was mailed from uk to outside EU, will I be refunderd the EU Tax? Jul 04 09:07:58 tessier, probably better Jul 04 09:08:03 If I want a camera, i buy a camera Jul 04 09:08:10 if I want a phone, i buy a phone Jul 04 09:08:16 specifically, a FreeRunner Jul 04 09:08:34 tunys: If get into a car accident (such as my co-worker did a few weeks ago) I like to be able to take pics immediately. Jul 04 09:08:44 tessier you could run a propper webcam with your moko :) Jul 04 09:08:47 I also like to be able to take pics of cables and serial numbers and screenshots etc in the datacenter. Jul 04 09:09:12 That's why having a camera in your phone is nice: You always carry the phone. But you very rarely carry a dedicated digital camera. So when you need a camera you don't have one. Jul 04 09:09:20 Ainulindale: yeah ctrl-alt-2 works Jul 04 09:09:29 I'd keep a camera in your car Jul 04 09:09:31 Wander_w: Sure, if I wanted to carry around another piece of hardware and had the software on the moko to run it Jul 04 09:09:36 well... Jul 04 09:09:42 I'd keep one in mine if I had a car Jul 04 09:09:48 tunys: get one of those small creditcard sized digital cams? Jul 04 09:10:00 I wouldn't keep a camera in YOUR car, that's kind of your responsibility Jul 04 09:10:04 flexd, I have on Jul 04 09:10:06 one Jul 04 09:10:08 i love it :D Jul 04 09:10:10 btw Jul 04 09:10:17 err nvm Jul 04 09:10:30 Wander_w: didn't work for me :-/ Jul 04 09:10:31 I guess 3G instead of 2.5G is also something one could wish for but I've already read something about why it's 2.5G Jul 04 09:11:00 Ainulindale: hmm Jul 04 09:11:04 tessier: url ? Jul 04 09:11:06 what's the command to get the FR on wlan? i tried iwconfig eth0 essid "myaccesspoint", doesnt seem to connect Jul 04 09:11:12 for the "why it's 2.5G" Jul 04 09:11:15 hi there Jul 04 09:11:18 Ainulindale: but what am I supposed to do with that ctrl-alt-2 screen? Jul 04 09:12:06 Wander_w: it's where you can, for example, activate the usb connection Jul 04 09:12:14 (usb_add gadget:1) Jul 04 09:12:19 (which will be detected on the host) Jul 04 09:12:23 Ainulindale: I just want to play with the GUI Jul 04 09:13:38 Wander_w: oh ok Jul 04 09:13:55 Ainulindale: Mostly cost and people don't really use the 3g stuff that much anyway. Better to get something capable and open out the door first. Then maybe when the costs come down some more they'll do a quad-band 3G camera-phone setup Jul 04 09:13:57 but that gui just says there is no network connection Jul 04 09:15:29 Wander_w: phone network ? Jul 04 09:15:38 Ainulindale: I guess so Jul 04 09:15:40 Wander_w: or network as in ip ? Jul 04 09:15:57 Does it seem weird to you that your emulator has no phone network ? :-) Jul 04 09:15:58 If they are already sold out of the 900Mhz version how many did they have to sell in the first place? Jul 04 09:16:00 Ainulindale: I don't know for sure, but there is a phone icon on it Jul 04 09:16:34 Ainulindale: it seems weird that I can't choose to ignore that there is no network Jul 04 09:16:39 tessier: remember a whole lot of the 900Mhz went direct to distributers Jul 04 09:16:55 well, zhone won't build Jul 04 09:16:56 tessier: the main path for sales for .eu is the official distributers Jul 04 09:16:56 /home/ainu/oe/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Jul 04 09:17:01 XorA: And not many of the 850's did? Jul 04 09:17:05 XorA: ah Jul 04 09:17:15 Anybody knows why zhone won't build ? :-/ Jul 04 09:17:21 XorA: They couldn't get US distributors? Probably because of how locked up the big guys have the US phone market Jul 04 09:17:42 Ainulindale, try to get it from git manually Jul 04 09:17:57 tessier: AFAIK FIC already had US capability and OpenMoko just re-used that, they didnt have that for the .eu Jul 04 09:18:21 methril: I'll do that but i was wondering why it did that Jul 04 09:18:40 XorA: Already had US capability? What does that have to do with 900Mhz phones selling out because they went directly to distributors in .eu? Jul 04 09:19:04 go to that folder: tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r6/ Jul 04 09:19:11 rm -rf git Jul 04 09:19:14 tessier: the 850 phones I think more of them went to the shop than 900 becuse the 900 went to distributers Jul 04 09:19:32 XorA: So why didn't 850 phones go to US distributors? Jul 04 09:19:47 tessier: because OM already had their own distribution center Jul 04 09:19:57 git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/zhone.git;protocol=git;branch=master git Jul 04 09:20:18 XorA: But they needed phones to send to that distribution center. Jul 04 09:20:19 is there an installation for HTC-Harmoni ? Jul 04 09:20:57 tessier, 900 phones are no good in USA, no need to send them there.... Jul 04 09:21:24 jamewill: I know that. Jul 04 09:21:31 jamewill, what about canadians? Jul 04 09:21:37 or mexicans? Jul 04 09:21:46 well they are not "no good" in north america.. just less good Jul 04 09:21:48 what are they supposed to do? Jul 04 09:21:55 they still support 1800/1900 Jul 04 09:21:57 So the 900Mhz phones went to .eu distributors, 850Mhz phones went to FIC's distributors... Jul 04 09:21:58 TAsn, look at the info on openmoko.com Jul 04 09:22:10 So...why did the 900Mhz phones sell out? :) Just wondering. Jul 04 09:22:11 the canadians should just listen to celine dion Jul 04 09:22:16 jamewill, really? all of north america? not just us? Jul 04 09:22:23 Wander_w: And root for "Le Coq" Jul 04 09:22:32 tessier: obviously more linux hackers in .eu than .us Jul 04 09:22:52 XorA, linear to the population i guess ;) Jul 04 09:22:54 XorA: Any idea how many phones have actually been sold? Jul 04 09:23:12 tessier: no idea, I havent even seen official figures of how many we made yet Jul 04 09:23:21 900mhz phones have been selling for days now, via distributors in europe.. no doubt why they are sold out. Jul 04 09:25:50 then... why didn't they make more phones? Jul 04 09:26:14 They will Jul 04 09:26:22 unforseen demand? Jul 04 09:26:38 Wander_w, it's not like they can appear overnight. :) Jul 04 09:26:47 * nullpuppy shrugs Jul 04 09:26:50 steve, give us a official new batch for the 900 phones Jul 04 09:26:59 :) Jul 04 09:27:17 ok, i think i'm gonna head to bed. Jul 04 09:27:32 and let the devel image build overnight Jul 04 09:27:44 nullpuppy: overnight*s* Jul 04 09:27:48 :-p Jul 04 09:27:55 hehe Jul 04 09:28:06 i think i can handle that, tomorrow is gonna be a busy day Jul 04 09:28:16 night nullpuppy Jul 04 09:28:21 night Jul 04 09:45:15 openmoko is mentioned on slashdot.org: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/07/04/0411233.shtml Jul 04 09:46:02 XorA, It's because of Mandriva :P Jul 04 09:46:27 Wander_w, oh noes! Jul 04 09:58:11 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020394.html Jul 04 09:58:35 This says the 900 isn't sold out: they only had the 850 in stock. Jul 04 10:01:58 so where did the 900's goto? Jul 04 10:02:12 to european resellers? Jul 04 10:03:09 all of them? Jul 04 10:06:52 Mek: might have; funny part is they say their stock is sold out too (well, at leastpulster.de says so) Jul 04 10:07:25 what s the story...how bad is the battery life Jul 04 10:07:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Jul 04 10:07:57 I didn't read any stories about gta02 (freerunner) battery life Jul 04 10:08:00 reportedly someone has done at least 21 hours mostly in suspend on the gta01 Jul 04 10:08:36 quite a bit more should be attainable Jul 04 10:09:11 HauDyrArb, that link doesnt work Jul 04 10:10:01 try and copy paste it Jul 04 10:10:03 oops Jul 04 10:10:15 xchat concatnated it at FreeRunner for some reaso Jul 04 10:10:25 uhm, has anyone got agps ui Hmm Jul 04 10:10:28 my xchat also have problems with the link Jul 04 10:10:32 anyone here tried GPS Sight before? Jul 04 10:10:51 it just closes on me hmm Jul 04 10:11:37 I noticed that the openmoko store is actually us.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner ! does this mean that international units will only be available in us mdels (850mhz)? Jul 04 10:12:35 smhar: there are no 900mhz models left atm i think? read topic. Jul 04 10:16:24 i like that part in topic that says Dont discuss battery life! :-) Jul 04 10:18:08 yeah, what IS the battery life like anyway? Jul 04 10:18:57 flexd, did they ever offer them direct from openmoko in the first place? or did they give them all to EU distributors? Jul 04 10:19:26 i think its sitting in the corner shivering Jul 04 10:20:17 awww... poort battery life Jul 04 10:22:38 smhar: i dunno, i got it trough a group order Jul 04 10:22:46 but anyway Jul 04 10:23:01 Whats up with buildhost? opkg update is getting 404's on Packages.sig (4 places) Jul 04 10:23:08 I can't install stuff :( Jul 04 10:23:39 buildhost doesnt make Packages.sig files Jul 04 10:24:36 flexd, you got the 900 model group pack direct from openmoko? Jul 04 10:24:41 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig Jul 04 10:24:51 smhar: im not sure where we ordered from, but it's a 900 yea Jul 04 10:25:18 XorA: opkg is complaining that file doesnt exist. Jul 04 10:26:44 flexd: I already answered that Jul 04 10:27:46 XorA: yeah i understand that it doesnt make it, but does that mean opkg wont work, or does it mean it's configured wrong and is supposed to get that file from somewhere else? Jul 04 10:28:16 Im gonna go read on the wiki :) Jul 04 10:28:28 flexd: sounds like a bug in oipkg Jul 04 10:28:38 I think it should warn you feed is unsigned Jul 04 10:29:05 hmm Jul 04 10:29:09 hey all Jul 04 10:29:29 just been looking at the wiki and had a question about the freerunner Jul 04 10:29:32 Im not able to do opkg search "blah" either, just returns nothing. But if i do opkg list it lists tons of stuff.. weird Jul 04 10:30:40 does the platform offer direct access to the protocol stack or RF module? I.e. can I interrogate for measured signal levels (RxLev and RxQual for example) or to get info from the GSM control channels - e.g. cell ID? Jul 04 10:31:27 you get only what at gives you Jul 04 10:31:53 ah, OK :( Jul 04 10:32:00 heh now opkg seems to work, installing stuff atleast. Jul 04 10:32:04 Earlier it would just freeze. Jul 04 10:33:01 is that a hardware fix in the chipset? I mean, would it need a complete reflash to get access to the more detailed info? Jul 04 10:33:50 or is there some, aaaaaah, scope for improving the situation? Jul 04 10:34:51 openmoko: 03zecke * rfa50399e6006 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [callscreen] Stop guessing when a call is hold/resumed and wait for the signal Jul 04 10:34:53 openmoko: 03zecke * rdfe70a664356 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Fix state transition on multiparty call I Jul 04 10:34:53 openmoko: 03zecke * red4f9aa6e773 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Fix state transition on multiparty call I Jul 04 10:36:59 thinking that it might be possible to write a walk test tool or something similar with this Jul 04 10:38:13 ginger, there is the leaked specs for the ti calypso, which might give you access to undocumented at commands and such, but that's about it, realistically Jul 04 10:39:01 ok, cool - thanks mjr, I'll have a looksie to see what I can find Jul 04 10:40:40 (wasit on cryptome) Jul 04 10:59:01 Doesnt the FR save settings? Jul 04 10:59:16 contacts and stuff, wlan settings, etc? Jul 04 11:06:15 hi Jul 04 11:06:42 hi Jul 04 11:07:14 anyone envision a quad band world type phone from openmoko? Jul 04 11:07:24 i sit a practical idea? Jul 04 11:08:39 given the shifting technological landscape? Jul 04 11:08:41 loads of people envision it and it's a practical idea. But there is no official word from FIC if, where and when this will be included Jul 04 11:08:51 hmmm Jul 04 11:09:10 w-cdma is out I suppose? Jul 04 11:09:34 I don't even know what that is Jul 04 11:09:49 yeah, it's unclear if 03 will be full quad Jul 04 11:09:50 emerging standard Jul 04 11:10:02 you mean wcdma as used in umts? Jul 04 11:10:10 germany Jul 04 11:10:18 ?? Jul 04 11:10:26 2100 Jul 04 11:10:27 wcdma is just the modulation, doesn't really spesify other stuff Jul 04 11:10:33 but yes, you mean umts then Jul 04 11:10:36 yes Jul 04 11:10:51 oh why don't you just say umts then Jul 04 11:10:55 Im confused then thanks.... Jul 04 11:11:08 your welkcome Jul 04 11:11:15 ; Jul 04 11:11:32 no umts for gta03, and there are problems with getting usably open chipsets Jul 04 11:11:32 happy to se this thing on the market: FreeRunner Jul 04 11:11:54 mjr this was what I figured Jul 04 11:12:05 gleaner, it's not actually on the market, everything (900 mhz) is sold out :) Jul 04 11:12:09 meh... wifi is good enough for me Jul 04 11:12:10 was on the market though ;) Jul 04 11:12:23 one hopes the situation improves while they do the 03, and that umts can be included in gta04 (when eventually they'll do that) Jul 04 11:12:31 TAsn I live now in canada so I think th e850 will work for me now Jul 04 11:12:41 gleaner, damn you :) Jul 04 11:12:47 ` Jul 04 11:12:49 ~ Jul 04 11:13:11 I want to check if rogers comm will accept the phone Jul 04 11:13:15 I thought you said you were from germany? Jul 04 11:13:20 before laying out the money Jul 04 11:13:30 I was there for a while Jul 04 11:13:36 now in canada Jul 04 11:13:46 curious about the future Jul 04 11:15:08 alas there are other issues to overcome here in canada....like very expensive plans Jul 04 11:15:17 and closed phones Jul 04 11:15:43 well... the closed phones issue is somewhat solved now Jul 04 11:16:01 yeah but on cdma networks in canada Jul 04 11:16:12 so this is why Id like toswitch Jul 04 11:16:21 yeah NA seems pretty fucked up as far as mobile carriers go Jul 04 11:16:50 yeah, I think "fucked up" is the technical term for it :) Jul 04 11:16:54 yep it is though verizon is apparently seeing the light and the future Jul 04 11:18:14 it's easy enough to open up a cdma phone yourself ...but if it isnt branded Telus in canada they wont let you put it on their network, and no user has ever gone up against them in court Jul 04 11:18:28 afaik Jul 04 11:18:31 sad Jul 04 11:18:35 I had hopes Jul 04 11:19:59 gleaner, trust on one ;0 Jul 04 11:20:13 hmmm Jul 04 11:20:26 openmoko: 03zecke * rf8a74033327e 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcall.cpp: [gsm] Stop guessing when a call has been answered. Jul 04 11:21:41 on=no Jul 04 11:21:58 "Stop guessing when a call has been answered." Jul 04 11:22:02 haha Jul 04 11:25:16 well carryon folks! and happy hacking! Jul 04 11:32:19 What the hells is CIA-46 for? Jul 04 11:33:36 tunys, spam Jul 04 11:33:48 he is just annoying ;) Jul 04 11:34:06 What should I do in order to redownload sources of a package with bitbake or anything else ? Jul 04 11:34:10 * Wander_w kicks CIA-46 Jul 04 11:34:10 ow Jul 04 11:34:21 does the person who owns him have a purpose in mind for him? Jul 04 11:34:23 now it is calm, sometimes it fills the chan with crap. Jul 04 11:34:28 ehm, /ignore Jul 04 11:34:36 tunys, no one owns him. Jul 04 11:34:46 he always was here and always will be Jul 04 11:35:05 he should be named CIA-42 Jul 04 11:35:08 when the first OM came here it already was. Jul 04 11:35:10 ;0 Jul 04 11:35:14 Wander_w, hehe yeah :) Jul 04 11:35:26 Wander_w, though it does not now any answers. Jul 04 11:35:39 CIA-46, what is the OM battery-life? Jul 04 11:35:40 ;0 Jul 04 11:35:42 well.. except for the one true anwser to everything Jul 04 11:36:15 Wander_w, it doesn't know that, the answer is only implied by it's nick... Jul 04 11:36:37 how do you know it doesn't know? Jul 04 11:36:43 I'm off, getting myself something to eat. Jul 04 11:37:00 Wander_w, I don't, I'm also a bot who doesn't no nothing :) Jul 04 11:43:22 methril: do you happen to know if I'm supposed to build fso with DISTRO="openmoko" ? Jul 04 11:44:48 i have that distro in my local.conf Jul 04 11:45:12 Ok Jul 04 11:45:21 And for zhone, I did refetch the sources, but same problem Jul 04 11:45:24 No setup.py Jul 04 11:46:00 yes, i don't kwno why, i think that it's the git rev taht doesn't have the file Jul 04 11:46:10 setup.py Jul 04 11:46:25 so is there a way I could build the image without this package ? Jul 04 11:46:50 when it borkes, i went to the folder and downloaded the lastest git repo :) Jul 04 11:46:55 and it works Jul 04 11:47:10 Tried, with no success Jul 04 11:47:24 i'll help you Jul 04 11:47:47 AS my DISTRO was angstrom, I have the full rebuild to do first... :-/ Jul 04 11:48:31 i don't know, openmoko inherits a lot of things from angstrom Jul 04 11:48:34 i don't thing so Jul 04 11:48:37 try to build Jul 04 11:48:46 that's what I'm doing Jul 04 11:48:50 :) Jul 04 11:48:52 And looks as if it rebuilds everything Jul 04 11:49:06 NOTE: Running task 130 of 3247 <= Jul 04 11:49:08 yes, it builds all the version dependencies Jul 04 11:49:26 but most of them are not build, are only checking that all the steps are done Jul 04 11:49:34 oh ok Jul 04 11:55:03 so now it's only 2 days of building instead of 2 weeks :P Jul 04 11:56:48 methril: do you build gta02 images or gta01 images? Jul 04 11:57:11 openmoko: 03zecke * rbbff5d3838d2 10/src/libraries/qtopiacomm/serial/qatchat.cpp: Revert "[gsm] Micro-optimasation to answer phonecalls faster" Jul 04 11:57:36 methril: I confirm, it rebuilds everything... Jul 04 12:00:40 gta02 Jul 04 12:01:09 methril: cool, is that just the setting in local.conf? Jul 04 12:02:15 by default? Jul 04 12:02:27 or if it's only there? Jul 04 12:02:57 i'm trying to build qemu (but it makes for gta01) Jul 04 12:03:58 methril: yeah, I am also trying to build a GTA02 qemu Jul 04 12:17:30 Hi all Jul 04 12:17:45 hi Jul 04 12:17:55 Could someone tell me how well Navit works on the Freerunner? Jul 04 12:19:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r344d50f29e50 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable kernel Jul 04 12:19:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2b0f1c7ef733 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the various callscreen improvements Jul 04 12:19:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf6649165523c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Get the callscreen state transition fixes from Qtopia Jul 04 12:19:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc3022c9a7602 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Revert micro optimisation and improved callhandling Jul 04 12:20:00 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6048f4476beb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable kernel Jul 04 12:20:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r52b0741ff69b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the various callscreen improvements Jul 04 12:20:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdcb80f67d7c8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Get the callscreen state transition fixes from Qtopia Jul 04 12:20:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf41dc0c4522a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Revert micro optimisation and improved callhandling Jul 04 12:21:13 Who would I talk to at OpenMoko about goodies to give away at a conference? Jul 04 12:23:50 aquarius: post it on the mailinglist; i think steve is the one to be contacted Jul 04 12:24:10 right, cheers. :) Jul 04 12:26:04 so from the community updates, it says that in the EU you buy freerunner from resellers, does that mean that the openmoko store will not ship to EU? Jul 04 12:28:02 ConfidentiaL, you can buy us version from online if you prefer Jul 04 12:28:41 but I suggest to you to buy from a reseller if you live in EU. I see no reason to do otherwise Jul 04 12:29:27 well, it's the 900Mhz I need, but the resellers are more expensive than the openmoko store if the 900Mhz also is 399$... Jul 04 12:29:46 no, it's not Jul 04 12:30:08 if you buy from US you have to pay expenses and taxes Jul 04 12:33:00 for the neo1973 i've paid more than 60eur for vat and postage and handling Jul 04 12:34:15 ? Jul 04 12:37:26 has anyone posted a userside review about freerunner? Jul 04 12:43:47 But does someone know how well Navit works on the Freerunner? Or do you recommend me a different application Jul 04 12:46:42 Blalien, navit has been used since the first neo1973. performances are good (the lead dev use it on a htc BA, which is way less performant the freerunner (at least, on paper) Jul 04 12:46:43 i've tried navit on neo1973 and it's quite good, except when you tried to scroll Jul 04 12:47:04 I mean, to scroll with the finger Jul 04 12:47:15 Blalien, i'd say useability greatly depends of your maps. where are you from? Jul 04 12:47:25 diego_at_work, hasn't it been improved? Jul 04 12:47:36 KaZeR: I'm from the Netherlands Jul 04 12:47:57 ok Blalien. how detailed are the osm maps in your country? Jul 04 12:48:15 the osm maps are VERY detaild for the netherlands Jul 04 12:48:39 (they got donated by a commercial company) Jul 04 12:48:55 ah ues right Jul 04 12:49:00 Blalien, http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Jul 04 12:49:13 KaZeR, recent version of navit, are more responsive, but not very good Jul 04 12:49:23 ok diego_at_work Jul 04 12:49:35 there is still about 1 sec of lag when you try to scroll Jul 04 12:50:03 diego_at_work: Ok that's a bummer. But that doesn't have anything to do with the GPS? Jul 04 12:50:13 probably on freerunner is faster ^^ Jul 04 12:50:24 gps is quite ok Jul 04 12:50:31 and when you route, how does it behave? or does the lag only occurs when you scroll manually? Jul 04 12:51:01 i see lag only when i try to scroll manually Jul 04 12:51:21 ok Jul 04 12:51:21 i never tried route on navit Jul 04 12:51:32 ah ok. are you aware of the demo vehicle? Jul 04 12:52:44 yes, i've read on navit.xml. But i just did'nt care :) Jul 04 12:53:18 Well when I receive my Freerunner I will be testing Navit. Jul 04 12:55:13 diego_at_work, ok np :) Jul 04 12:55:45 Blalien, feel free to join #navit for help/comments/criticisms. also i'd be happy to hear from your firsts impressions about the freerunner Jul 04 12:56:08 haven't ordered mine yet, i want to be sure it can be used in daily life for phoning/messaging Jul 04 12:56:58 Hello Jul 04 12:57:01 i don't think will be ready for that soon Jul 04 12:57:24 i see freerunner more as a pda Jul 04 12:57:43 hm, navit... looks interesting :) Jul 04 12:57:52 ... with phone too Jul 04 12:57:55 KaZeR: I will do that. I will recieve mine later this month (second batch). Jul 04 12:58:36 hey, does the new phone come with a warranty in the US? Jul 04 12:58:46 diego_at_work: You are right about that. It still misses a lot of features Jul 04 12:58:49 and does it have a browser analogous to the iPhone's in terms of rendering quality? Jul 04 13:00:26 MrWGW-, i expected better rendering quality ^^ Jul 04 13:00:43 what about the warranty? Jul 04 13:01:02 well, the snapshot review says it should be useable as a phone : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-04-21 Jul 04 13:01:06 I don't care if font rendering sucks, since no OS can do that as well as OS X, I care more about full page rendering Jul 04 13:01:08 btw, using a wiki for that is crappy :) Jul 04 13:08:55 KaZeR, yes is usable as phone, but battery life is quite disappointing... Jul 04 13:09:13 (I'm still talking about neo1973) Jul 04 13:09:46 Was the 900MHz really sold out or it wasn't there in the web store in the first place ? Jul 04 13:10:40 CVirus, check resellers Jul 04 13:10:45 CVirus: THere was a message to the community list saying 900 MHz was not sold out - it had not arrived yet. Jul 04 13:12:04 rtm, nice info ;) Jul 04 13:12:22 rtm, change the topic accordingly :) Jul 04 13:13:07 How long does it usually take to get a fix on the freerunner? Jul 04 13:13:16 I sat outside earlier for like 10min and got nothing Jul 04 13:13:31 oops, thought about freerunners in plural :) Jul 04 13:13:53 flexd, with agps it should be fast (i don't have a moko, i generally know that) Jul 04 13:14:05 Im not sure if it's using agps Jul 04 13:14:10 I just installed tangogps and had a go Jul 04 13:14:35 Not too good at linux stuff (which is why i got a fr, it's a great way of learning aswell as having a thing to code stuff for! :)) Jul 04 13:14:57 flexd, from what i remember Jul 04 13:14:59 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8cb7abe375c7 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/nmea.py: ogpsd: Recover from errors in nmea parser Jul 04 13:15:14 yesterday someone had a similar problem Jul 04 13:15:30 the solution was turning the gps on ;) Jul 04 13:15:42 im not kidding. Jul 04 13:15:59 I had it on Jul 04 13:16:10 It just spams out useless stuff (as described on the wiki) Jul 04 13:16:11 you should really check that, as i said, i don't own an fr, but it must be hidden since he missed that :) Jul 04 13:16:20 flexd, i c. Jul 04 13:16:28 then i have no idea, sorry.. Jul 04 13:16:31 it slowed down sometimes and put out something that might be useful, but then just continued on with useless "unknown command" stuff Jul 04 13:16:35 Might just take a while hmm Jul 04 13:18:05 flexd, have you checked the info in the gps file? Jul 04 13:18:17 cat /... that is Jul 04 13:18:24 i don't remember what file it is though. Jul 04 13:18:27 TAsn: yea, i did cat /dev/ttySAC1 Jul 04 13:18:32 and it spaaams out stuff Jul 04 13:18:41 what i just wrote a few lines up Jul 04 13:18:52 anyhow, iirc the first digit is the amount of sats it is seeing :) Jul 04 13:19:13 flexd, you didn't say you looked at the file, and i don't know the wiki by heart :) Jul 04 13:19:31 true ;) Jul 04 13:20:08 well anyhow, what's the first digit? Jul 04 13:20:58 it spams $GPTXT, 01,01,01, NMEA unknown msg*58 Jul 04 13:22:20 occasionally $GPGSA, A, 1, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 99,99,99,99,99,99.99*30 Jul 04 13:25:13 wow, no idea in the world Jul 04 13:25:17 flexd, looks like a bug in gpsd Jul 04 13:25:40 sounds like there's someone blocking your gps, are you a secret agent? Jul 04 13:25:44 diego_at_work: that's the second time today someone has said "looks like a bug in xxxx" Jul 04 13:25:48 :p Jul 04 13:25:49 TAsn: yes! Jul 04 13:25:59 so that must be it. Jul 04 13:26:01 :) Jul 04 13:26:12 weird thing too, wireless keeps falling out Jul 04 13:26:15 I have to reconfig it :/ Jul 04 13:26:40 flexd, well, what image are you using? Jul 04 13:26:48 part of them are buggy :O) Jul 04 13:26:55 im not sure which though :) Jul 04 13:27:50 hi Jul 04 13:28:06 ive got a question about python on freerunner Jul 04 13:28:34 does it have any bindings? Jul 04 13:28:52 yes Jul 04 13:29:06 TAsn: latest i believe Jul 04 13:29:11 looks identical to the one that came with the phone though Jul 04 13:29:25 fso images have application prototipized in python Jul 04 13:29:26 flexd, latest of what? Jul 04 13:29:31 But i made a small script that just runs iwconfig eth0 essid linksys mode managed;udhcpc eth0 Jul 04 13:29:33 Hi guys Jul 04 13:29:34 OM? qtopia? Jul 04 13:29:36 TAsn: OM Jul 04 13:29:37 Daily thing Jul 04 13:30:04 ? Jul 04 13:30:06 flexd, well as i said i don't know enough but that may be it. Jul 04 13:30:06 Is the selling Neo FreeRunner using QTopia for the main interface? Jul 04 13:30:15 michelecs, no. Jul 04 13:30:26 it uses matchbox... Jul 04 13:30:36 TAsn: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ those Jul 04 13:30:52 which is probably exactly what came with the phone Jul 04 13:31:10 flexd, then that's the OM Jul 04 13:31:32 which was last updated at april i think. Jul 04 13:31:37 yea i see Jul 04 13:31:41 not sure which is the best image yet Jul 04 13:31:46 Should i try flashing it with something newer? hmm Jul 04 13:31:53 but this one isn't developed any more. Jul 04 13:32:15 flexd, not newer, but different, but you should really wait for someone with a moko :) Jul 04 13:32:17 flexd, try to do it Jul 04 13:32:22 flexd: does your wifi work with wpa2? Jul 04 13:32:29 Bumbl: Noo Jul 04 13:32:30 So the current mass market release using the new work by rasterman? Jul 04 13:32:32 I tried once Jul 04 13:32:40 But i got a operation not supported (using wpa_supplicant) Jul 04 13:32:40 michelecs, not the default image Jul 04 13:32:48 michelecs, the current release Jul 04 13:32:59 is using the one made at april. Jul 04 13:33:02 But that might just be this image, or something i did wrong Jul 04 13:33:04 not developed since. Jul 04 13:33:09 HsN and someone got it working :) Jul 04 13:33:11 flexd: i get unknown encryption using wpa_supplicant Jul 04 13:33:17 Bumbl: which image? Jul 04 13:33:19 flexd, it might, but not sure :) Jul 04 13:33:22 It is supposed to work Jul 04 13:33:50 flexd, as i said, i don't own one. i can just tell you what i know out of listening to people asking Q's here... Jul 04 13:34:00 :) Jul 04 13:34:16 I think i'll wait reflashing until i can find someone that has one already Jul 04 13:34:26 flexd, i do agree. Jul 04 13:34:29 i'll have one in august Jul 04 13:34:30 Is it possibile to write a program using Java on the current selling device? Jul 04 13:34:35 i don't know exactly because yesterday I flashed loads of images to my freerunner and most of them were really unstable Jul 04 13:34:42 michelecs, no. Jul 04 13:35:02 qtopia ships with a jvm though. Jul 04 13:35:02 michelecs, soon i think Jul 04 13:35:16 diego_at_work, soon is a better answer than no :) Jul 04 13:35:21 TAsn, is qtopia providing a seperate freerunner image? Jul 04 13:35:32 guys , anyway, no one answered to me yet. or i did not understand Jul 04 13:35:45 gambler, qtopia does'n provide anything, the OM staff is working on a qtopia based image. Jul 04 13:35:53 gambler: no, but openmoko provides a qtopia x11 image Jul 04 13:36:04 admiral0, did you ask anything? Jul 04 13:36:11 admiral0, try giving a direct order Jul 04 13:36:25 ok Jul 04 13:36:39 admiral0, there was a post Jul 04 13:36:42 Will there be an official update (suggested for all the users, not only programmers) including the new stuff? Jul 04 13:36:50 sec i will find it (or try to) Jul 04 13:36:52 python... does it have qtopia bindings like pyqt in the asu? Jul 04 13:37:14 oh, qtopia? or just gps and all the other phone stuff? Jul 04 13:37:35 anything Jul 04 13:37:38 admiral0, bindings exists, but you have to install it Jul 04 13:37:46 flexd, http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ read this :{ Jul 04 13:38:17 diego_at_work, what do i have to install? Jul 04 13:38:18 admiral0, http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ this talks about gtk, though it shows how to use gps data and such. Jul 04 13:39:58 very interesting Jul 04 13:43:08 thank you and bye Jul 04 13:43:21 staying here is always an option.. Jul 04 13:43:39 Will there be an official update (suggested for all the users, not only programmers) including the new stuff? Jul 04 13:44:03 in a couple of years, surely yes Jul 04 13:44:16 balrog-k1n: ^_^ Jul 04 13:44:37 balrog-k1n: do you mean on time for GTA3? Jul 04 13:47:20 for those who ordered(us/canada) how long did it take from order->ups tracking number? Jul 04 13:48:41 Hmmmm Jul 04 13:48:56 I have a weird question with no relation to OM whatsoever Jul 04 13:49:12 Does somebody know if it's possible to emit a constant flow of data from a S/PDIF output ? =) Jul 04 13:49:24 (i.e. audio blank = blank data) Jul 04 13:50:01 Probably? Jul 04 13:50:02 michelecs: i dunno, gta3 may take even longer :p Jul 04 13:50:11 If you code it, it will happen :p Jul 04 13:50:22 wow... Jul 04 13:50:23 hi guys - I'm tempted to buy a neo freerunner just for tinkering - but how close to useable is it as an actual phone? Jul 04 13:50:33 flexd: Only problem is right now my S/PDIF output comes along with Mac OSX Jul 04 13:50:48 michelecs: i'm just judging from the pace until now Jul 04 13:51:17 Does anybody know if any other society are already looking at Neo FreeRunner/OpenMoko as base for their own devices? Jul 04 13:51:37 michelecs: I heard about one yes Jul 04 13:51:41 Here, in fact Jul 04 13:52:05 Thanks Ainulindale: do you have any link? Jul 04 13:52:14 Not at all Jul 04 13:52:23 michelecs: there's some Archeology institute that uses the Freerunner (information on the blogs and on mailing list) and recently someone posted something about using it for controlling their helicopter Jul 04 13:52:24 I know someone came here to talk about his project to build applications on top of OM Jul 04 13:52:31 But I can't remember who Jul 04 13:52:34 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html Jul 04 13:52:37 Yep there's also the archeology thingy Jul 04 13:53:20 There's also a project to use it to control guided missiles in order to keep a constant threat on mickey to make him work faster Jul 04 13:53:38 ^_^ Jul 04 13:54:42 michelecs: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/ this blog has info on the Open Archeology thing Jul 04 13:54:50 hi guys - I'm tempted to buy a neo freerunner just for tinkering - but how close to useable is it as an actual phone? <---- you can take and receive phone calls and sms Jul 04 13:55:21 *archaeology Jul 04 13:56:28 hmmm, opkg seems to hang for me :( Jul 04 13:56:36 sometimes it does stuff instantly, other times it's slooow. Jul 04 13:56:54 that's what the o is for... Jul 04 13:57:05 oh pkg why are you broken Jul 04 13:57:08 hehe Jul 04 13:57:24 by the way, i remember you had some images and stuff for the gta01, and that looked awesome Jul 04 13:57:38 Have you made anything for the gta02? :) Jul 04 13:57:42 no. Jul 04 13:57:55 * ScaredyCat doesn't have a gta02 ... Jul 04 13:57:57 :( Jul 04 13:58:00 Trying to decide what image to put on mine, not much of a linux man myself, not sure what to do :( Jul 04 13:58:04 learning as i go Jul 04 13:58:05 $$$$ --> tax man Jul 04 13:58:08 Heh Jul 04 13:58:15 I got $$$$ back on my taxes this year \o/ Jul 04 13:58:38 I'm sure it was a mistake and it should have been mine ;) Jul 04 13:58:42 hehe Jul 04 13:58:47 * flexd pokes opkg Jul 04 13:58:49 come on little buddy, go! Jul 04 13:58:59 It stops at "Downloading -link here-" Jul 04 13:59:00 :/ Jul 04 13:59:41 does the network connection work? Jul 04 13:59:45 yea Jul 04 13:59:49 I can ping the buildhost Jul 04 13:59:54 heh now it works Jul 04 13:59:58 weird.. Jul 04 14:00:03 it didnt do anything Jul 04 14:00:10 then i canceled it and pinged the buildhost, and then i tried again Jul 04 14:00:12 and then it worked Jul 04 14:00:17 magic Jul 04 14:03:16 rather an unstable driver/program Jul 04 14:06:06 oh well Jul 04 14:06:25 think im gonna spend more of my tax moneys on a new gfx card Jul 04 14:06:29 WTS my old one :) Jul 04 14:07:20 flexd, aah you got an gfx card with your FreeRunner :-) Jul 04 14:07:35 Not good enough! :( Jul 04 14:07:56 I'm sort of a gamer, i can't help it. it's actually the only reason im still using windows (vista, ugh!) Jul 04 14:07:56 it can do opengl and EVERYTHING Jul 04 14:08:01 or may be you are too fast Jul 04 14:09:11 flexd, i always play games thats 5 years old they run super fast on new hardware :-) Jul 04 14:09:23 hehe Jul 04 14:09:31 i play game with linux and wine :D Jul 04 14:09:37 I only play Age of Conan atm, but sadly that game doesnt work in wine (yet) Jul 04 14:10:09 GTA1 + 2 is good to play using wine Jul 04 14:10:11 Maybe i'll switch when it does, i have linux on all my other machines :) Jul 04 14:10:16 hmmm Jul 04 14:10:28 Think the freerunner will be able to run supermario emulated? :o Jul 04 14:10:57 maby but then you need a gamepad Jul 04 14:11:22 You can convert old super nintendo controllers to use usb Jul 04 14:11:24 or a BT keyboard Jul 04 14:11:25 Shouldnt be that much a problem really Jul 04 14:11:35 Just cut the line, attach a usb as far as i know Jul 04 14:13:49 lukhas: Let me know of the presentation went :-) Jul 04 14:14:01 s/of/how/ Jul 04 14:14:01 Ainulindale meant: lukhas: Let me know how the presentation went :-) Jul 04 14:16:13 Why on the store the European model is not available? Jul 04 14:19:35 michelecs: It didn't arrive at the store yet Jul 04 14:26:01 hi, is it possible to connect freerunner with ethernet with some usb-ethernet adapter? Jul 04 14:26:15 yes Jul 04 14:27:17 an nslu2 does that very well Jul 04 14:27:32 or any other router supported by openwrt which has a usb port Jul 04 14:27:52 (that is, haven't tried but shouldn't be any reason why it wouldn't be) Jul 04 14:28:04 oh, are you talking about host mode on the neo? Jul 04 14:28:38 For the freerunner you will need a usb convertor of sorts... Jul 04 14:28:39 (dunno if anyone's tried it that way, but if you have host mode working there is absolutely no reason why it won't work) Jul 04 14:31:07 i think its a major bug that the connector on the openmoko isn't an usb host connector. (you know.. there are 2 types of miniusb: the normal and the 'host compatible' Jul 04 14:32:00 you're delusional Jul 04 14:32:11 ("major", no way) Jul 04 14:43:18 yay Jul 04 14:43:28 order completed Jul 04 14:44:42 i hope theres 1 left fo me!! Jul 04 14:44:56 if you can order, i guess there is 1... Jul 04 14:44:58 :) Jul 04 14:45:03 lucky you. Jul 04 14:45:55 Oh, I'm still saving the money... Jul 04 14:47:12 i kept putting in the last 4 digets of me card # insteasd of my social security # Jul 04 14:49:48 what are the main differences between the latest builds of the software and the one included in the shipping device? Jul 04 14:50:08 the one included in the device has not been altered since april Jul 04 14:50:10 afaik. Jul 04 14:50:27 latest builds are made recently (daily?) Jul 04 14:51:05 Yes. I mean the daily builds: Where is OpenMoko going nowadays? Jul 04 14:55:48 Are there known problems with sleep in the 2008-07-03 build? Jul 04 14:56:06 michelecs: openmoko is heading to qtopia/x11 and fso Jul 04 14:56:36 fso? Jul 04 14:59:58 What is the fastest way to get openmoko run on my computer inside something similar to an emulator? Jul 04 15:00:33 michelecs, on fso/asu/other tlas: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jul 04 15:01:02 Bumbl: Only x11 part, not Qt widget system? Jul 04 15:04:39 mechelecs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Jul 04 15:05:03 Ainulindale: it was quite successful Jul 04 15:05:18 Danker: I'm not into it, but I think they ported qtopia as it is to x11 Jul 04 15:05:34 we had to change the place, since there were too many people for the classroom Jul 04 15:05:57 lukhas: nice ! :-) Jul 04 15:06:03 yeah :) Jul 04 15:06:11 So you're a star now ? :-) Jul 04 15:07:42 Is there working music player for openmoko? Jul 04 15:08:31 hmm, expat failed, other packages built fine though Jul 04 15:08:52 I'm a star, yeah Jul 04 15:08:55 And one more question: Will I be able to do anything useful with neo freerunner out-of-box? :) Jul 04 15:09:53 i really have no idea. i'm thinking you should be able to make phoen calls if you put a sim in it. Jul 04 15:10:09 Danker: I just received mine yesterday and at least calling and sms worked out of the box. i reflashed to a devel version pretty soon though, so didn't test extensively Jul 04 15:10:23 Danker, yes, though I don't know how buggy or not the spesific release that's in there by default is Jul 04 15:10:26 bobkare: Thanks Jul 04 15:10:56 should do calls and sms, not necessarily most realiably but anyway... Jul 04 15:11:08 the default release is the one that the wiki says is the most stable Jul 04 15:12:03 this one: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Jul 04 15:14:04 bobkare: which release do you use at the moment and how stable is it Jul 04 15:14:10 bobkare, from what i heard asu has gone a lot better in the past week Jul 04 15:14:27 maybe the wiki isnt up to date... Jul 04 15:14:46 I heard from somebody who got the phone a day before me and he said asu was very laggy Jul 04 15:15:37 bobkare: how is the devel image you have working? Which one is it? Jul 04 15:16:18 I've had some crashes, seems it freezes up sometimes when it's been lying still for a while Jul 04 15:17:45 flexd: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080703/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Jul 04 15:17:56 what ist the difference between summary, nosummary and normal images Jul 04 15:17:58 A deeply pointless graph of reported stock in the shop over time. Jul 04 15:18:20 http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif Jul 04 15:19:16 SpeedEvil, im not sure if pointless, maybe that shows investors something, i don't know. Jul 04 15:19:20 Is someone working on an Iphone like sms app (which displays the conversation as a chat) Jul 04 15:19:44 oooh, that'd be awesome. Jul 04 15:19:48 but they did sell a lot of phones (considering they are not complete and for devs only!) Jul 04 15:19:49 Hm, maybe I should try a qt build and see how that works Jul 04 15:20:17 Bumbl, how does it do it? just shows all the history? like a regular im? Jul 04 15:20:25 yes Jul 04 15:20:26 TAsn: hehe, yeah. i wonder how many people know that... Jul 04 15:20:32 that bought one.. Jul 04 15:20:33 Bumbl, nice. Jul 04 15:20:46 nullpuppy, shh :) Jul 04 15:20:48 :) Jul 04 15:20:50 don't tell no one. ;0 Jul 04 15:20:56 i saw it at a friends' iphone and thought that it should be a musthave Jul 04 15:21:13 * nullpuppy is trying to wrap his head around the different images and build setups Jul 04 15:21:23 Bumbl: The default sms app is somewhat like that Jul 04 15:21:28 Bumbl: yeah, definitely Jul 04 15:21:32 http://www.appleiphonereview.com/images/iphone-sms-l.jpg Jul 04 15:21:34 buz: it's pretty like that - the default one - the GTK one Jul 04 15:21:39 well, it's to late to say anything anyway, those ignorant bastards bought all the eu phones leaving none to me ;( Jul 04 15:21:43 huh? Jul 04 15:21:55 your tab completion must have gone wrong :P Jul 04 15:22:09 haha :) Jul 04 15:22:19 Bumbl, that's ugly Jul 04 15:22:37 so, the dboard isn't needed to flash the phone is it? Jul 04 15:22:40 i want it to be like in pidgin or something Jul 04 15:22:45 buz: No, you people change names randomly. It's quite annoying :) Jul 04 15:22:46 :) Jul 04 15:22:49 maybe but it is an usability improvement Jul 04 15:22:55 nullpuppy: no Jul 04 15:23:00 ok, good. Jul 04 15:23:08 i dont change names :P Jul 04 15:23:22 nullpuppy: You should never need the debug board if you flash it. Jul 04 15:23:28 does anyone have details on the freerunner dboard? Jul 04 15:23:28 nullpuppy: You should never need the debug board if you just want to flash it. Jul 04 15:23:28 ok Jul 04 15:23:31 i'd occasionally have an underscore somewhere :P Jul 04 15:23:48 just need it for doing like.. kernel-level debugging type stuff then? Jul 04 15:23:51 essentially.. Jul 04 15:24:13 nullpuppy: you need the debug board to change the burnt in flash in NOR, - the backup flash. Or you need the debug board to do JTAG. Little else. Jul 04 15:24:27 ah, alright. awesome. Jul 04 15:24:38 i'll likely need to get it at some point, but sweet. Jul 04 15:24:41 trivex: does that answer to nullpuppy work for you? Jul 04 15:24:47 trl: Jul 04 15:25:38 i didn't catch nullpuppy's answer Jul 04 15:25:48 nullpuppy: you should really not - even if you're doing kernel dev, you don't typically have JTAG on a normal motherboard. Jul 04 15:25:49 What's the difference between http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080704-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080704/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ? Jul 04 15:25:57 trl: my answer to him Jul 04 15:26:19 SpeedEvil: /me nods Jul 04 15:26:21 alright. Jul 04 15:27:03 nullpuppy: you absolutely don't need it for application development. Jul 04 15:27:10 The debug board also gives you a serial console. It's not only for flashing / JTAG. Jul 04 15:27:31 Yeah - but you can do serial console on USB too. Jul 04 15:27:50 SpeedEvil: yeah, i understand that :) Jul 04 15:28:41 i guess i'm looking for a difference between the freerunner pcb and the freerunner dboard. i only see such details for 1973 Jul 04 15:28:48 long term goals involves likely doing some lowlevel and hardware hacking, but thats a ways off. Jul 04 15:29:04 trl: freerunner pcb? Jul 04 15:29:24 trl: the same version of the debug board ships for both. Jul 04 15:29:46 ok, thanks Jul 04 15:30:02 When flashing to new version, should I upgrade u-boot too? Jul 04 15:30:11 bobkare: i don't know but I am flashing the first one at the moment Jul 04 15:30:28 bobkare: no need Jul 04 15:30:32 i think you don't need to upgrade uboot Jul 04 15:30:38 ok, thanks Jul 04 15:30:44 You often need to update kernel if you update rootfs. Jul 04 15:30:56 You never? need to update uboot Jul 04 15:31:46 Only if serious bugs are found. Jul 04 15:32:15 SpeedEvil, flashing images does NOT require nothing but the moko and a cable, right? Jul 04 15:32:27 TAsn: and another computer Jul 04 15:32:48 i have a usb socket in my hand :) Jul 04 15:32:50 yeah, need something to flash FROM ;) Jul 04 15:32:56 Well - you could do it with only the freerunner Jul 04 15:33:01 If you chroot to SD Jul 04 15:33:12 SpeedEvil: haha, that sounds evil Jul 04 15:33:12 But I don't think anyones coded that. Jul 04 15:33:54 suppose long term, that wouldn't be bad. be able to through firmware onto and sd card, stick in and press a button and it'll update Jul 04 15:34:50 Long-term, that should probably be implemented in NOR. Jul 04 15:35:00 yeah Jul 04 15:35:07 The ability to flash a phone with a SD card. Jul 04 15:35:20 yeah, likely. that'd make sense Jul 04 15:35:39 so that it could, feasibly be repaired if something blows up Jul 04 15:37:31 Hi! Got my Freerunner today and have problems getting the networking via usb to work. After http://phpfi.com/329182 I can log into the phone via ssh but the phone cannot connect to the internet (pinging the host works). Jul 04 15:37:50 At some point today I got it working and did an "opkg update && opkg upgrade". Jul 04 15:38:37 Sebastian: you've setup forwarding on the host? Jul 04 15:38:43 Sebastian: most hosts won't. Jul 04 15:38:50 Sebastian: enable forwarding on your PC, and make sure that /etc/resolv.conf on the phone is pointing to a working nameserver. Jul 04 15:39:14 http://phpfi.com/329182 is supposed to take care of the forwarding. Jul 04 15:39:51 Have you route add default gateway host'd? Jul 04 15:39:59 Sebastian: I think an easy solution is installing dnsmasq on your host. That takes care of a lot Jul 04 15:40:18 The host is Ubuntu Hardy, btw. Jul 04 15:40:27 Will look into dnsmasq. Jul 04 15:42:08 Hi Jul 04 15:42:17 dnsmasq did the trick :) Jul 04 15:42:36 :) Jul 04 15:42:37 I'm a newbie in the OpenMoko world and I have several questions: Is it possible to use the neo as a mobile phone? Jul 04 15:42:51 mjcoder: ehm, yes? Jul 04 15:43:05 mjI got my Freerunner today and made some phone calls :) Jul 04 15:43:12 Ok, I've bought a Freerunner and have troubles connecting to the GSM network. Jul 04 15:43:32 Where do I enter the PIN` Jul 04 15:43:49 Where can I change the clock? Jul 04 15:43:49 How are you gentlemen? Jul 04 15:44:17 Make you time. Jul 04 15:44:21 :P Jul 04 15:44:37 mjcoder, did you try clicking the clock, on the Home screen? Jul 04 15:44:43 Yes Jul 04 15:44:49 Nothing happens Jul 04 15:44:52 Alternatively you can always set the time by using the date command :P Jul 04 15:44:57 nothing happens? o.O Jul 04 15:45:40 But more important: Where do I enter the pin to avoid the "registration denied" error when I enable GSM und use autoscan? Jul 04 15:45:48 Ehm, I don't see a clock on the home screen. Jul 04 15:45:51 Ah :D Jul 04 15:46:36 I installed the latest snapshot in search for a PIN dialog ... Jul 04 15:47:26 mjcoder: I automatically got a pin question in both the default firmware and the latest snapshot (as of yesterday) Jul 04 15:47:29 Hm, Don't have $400 to buy the Freerunner yet. Going to have to wait a while :P Jul 04 15:48:31 Good idea :p Jul 04 15:48:48 Topic addressing battery life is interesting.... :) anyone know whats up? Jul 04 15:48:48 Ok, this is what I did: Unbox the Neo, open it, add SD card, add SIM card, add battery, started it Jul 04 15:49:03 Don't ask [yet] : P Jul 04 15:49:03 Neo boots, shows home screen - no PIN dialog. Jul 04 15:49:17 Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. Jul 04 15:49:31 <`pwgen`> mickeylzzZZzz: ping Jul 04 15:49:40 Thank you SpeedBot. Jul 04 15:49:55 lol Jul 04 15:50:31 Ah, can only purchase Via Credit Card. Should add a Paypal option ;) Jul 04 15:53:09 Paypal is creditcard, essentially. Jul 04 15:53:29 Dave: it's not Jul 04 15:53:54 Dave: you can associate it with a bank account without it. Jul 04 15:54:00 Dave: you can associate it with a bank account without a cc Jul 04 15:54:28 * Dave throws tomatos at Speedevil Jul 04 15:54:36 * SpeedEvil throws coconuts at dave. Jul 04 15:54:45 ow :( Jul 04 15:55:05 * Dave drills holes in them and fills them with black powder. Jul 04 15:55:53 Ainulindale: I'm not sure if this is of any use to you at this point or not, but your jffs2 errors look to me like your image was bigger than the flash drive Jul 04 15:56:22 wurp2|away_again: And how am I supposed to get the flash drive bigger ? Jul 04 15:56:27 wurp, gah, who built that image? o_O Jul 04 15:56:31 Is there a gllin package for the Freerunner yet? Jul 04 15:56:33 (by the way I'm in a totally different problem) Jul 04 15:56:36 Dave: me Jul 04 15:56:38 It as larger than 512MB? Jul 04 15:56:40 Freerunner doesn't use gllin Jul 04 15:56:41 was Jul 04 15:56:51 What could be the reasons that I'm missing the PIN dialog? Jul 04 15:57:04 mmontour: Aha. So how would I get tangogps to work with it? Jul 04 15:57:07 It doesn't like you? Jul 04 15:57:29 Sebastian: GPS on -> start gpsd -> tangogps Jul 04 15:57:30 :D Jul 04 15:57:36 and pray for satellites Jul 04 15:58:05 Hm. Jul 04 15:58:27 Is this because I used the latest version (http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk)? I followed the instructions there. Jul 04 15:58:34 yes Jul 04 15:58:56 and no, that is the current procedure :p Jul 04 15:59:13 So I need to downgrade? Okay. Jul 04 15:59:20 What? no! Jul 04 15:59:22 Also check that gpsd is reading from /dev/ttySAC1, not /tmp/nmeaNP or something (as it would on GTA01) Jul 04 15:59:26 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Jul 04 15:59:44 It is reading from /dev/ttySAC1. Jul 04 15:59:58 Good :) Jul 04 16:00:06 oh yeah, I should probably fix that gps boot bug Jul 04 16:00:30 Ainulindale: You have to get the image smaller. Unless you're on to a totally different problem. Jul 04 16:00:31 tangoGPS looks stupid on ASU Jul 04 16:00:34 What I was getting at: opkg install tantogps wanted to install 0.7. That is why I followed the instructions to install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk which mentioned gllin. Jul 04 16:00:35 :O Jul 04 16:00:36 hmm, is the FR shipping with OM-2007.2? or some other setup? Jul 04 16:00:37 bobkare: with "yesterday", do you mean 20080703 or 20080702? Jul 04 16:00:41 teh hate :[ Jul 04 16:00:48 nullpuppy: 2007.2 Jul 04 16:00:54 k, cool. Jul 04 16:01:08 mjcoder: 20080703 Jul 04 16:01:23 bobkare: thanks. I'll try that image too ... Jul 04 16:01:29 Grr, I have the same problem with mokomakefile on my new Heron box that I did on Gutsy Jul 04 16:01:32 Why isn't there a gtk-theme in ASU? Jul 04 16:01:34 wurp2|away_again: I just did a simple bitbake fso-image Jul 04 16:01:54 Well, really it's a problem with bitbake gcc-cross_4.1.2.bb Jul 04 16:02:08 Ainulindale: How big is the jffs2? Jul 04 16:02:59 bootbake Jul 04 16:03:09 Do I need a debug board to boot from MicroSD on the FR? Jul 04 16:03:11 BTW, I have a wife & 3 kids, so if I suddenly stop responding, it's cause my family got tired of me hiding in the office Jul 04 16:03:17 swc, no. Jul 04 16:03:17 wurp2|away_again: I'll have a look later right now I'm preoccupied by some other things :-) Jul 04 16:03:26 Dave: thanks Jul 04 16:03:32 BootLoader -> Boot From MicroSD :) Jul 04 16:03:34 Ainulindale: sure Jul 04 16:03:43 sweeet Jul 04 16:03:54 my god qemu-local takes forever ;) Jul 04 16:04:03 Yep :D Jul 04 16:04:10 hey Sup3rkiddo Jul 04 16:04:39 balrog-k1n, howdy Jul 04 16:04:48 Sup3rkiddo: just letting you know that the current kernel now notifies the userspace about charging events through uevent Jul 04 16:04:59 hey everyone, looks like the only service with GSM in my area is AT&T, do I need the 850 or the 900? (I don't know much about GSM unfortunately but am very excited about doing some hacking) Jul 04 16:05:03 zecke submitted the patches this weke Jul 04 16:05:05 week Jul 04 16:05:16 jtickle: 900 is not used in the US Jul 04 16:05:17 Hallo Balrogkun :] Jul 04 16:05:18 balrog-k1n, yeah :D, thanks....i noticed it in the kernel mailing lists Jul 04 16:05:25 oh, well that makes it easy heh Jul 04 16:05:27 hey Dave Jul 04 16:05:49 Howdy :) Jul 04 16:05:57 jtickle: you're most likley looking at 850 or 1900. Jul 04 16:06:09 but yeah, 900 is pretty everywhere but the us ;) Jul 04 16:06:21 hah Jul 04 16:06:28 Now I have 3 TangoGPC icons in the apps menu. Jul 04 16:06:40 o.O Jul 04 16:06:47 also, the om wiki i think had a link somewhere that listed gsm frequences fro each carrier Jul 04 16:06:51 balrog-k1n, but are the patches limited to Freerunner hardware alone? Jul 04 16:07:20 nullpuppy, yeah, according to that thing it's 1900 around here, the 850 is tri-band, right? Jul 04 16:07:29 with support for 1900? Jul 04 16:07:30 both are tri-band Jul 04 16:07:37 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 Jul 04 16:07:42 awesome Jul 04 16:07:57 indeed Jul 04 16:08:04 Sup3rkiddo: uh i haven't checked yet Jul 04 16:08:22 Can I edit the menu items somewhere? Jul 04 16:08:23 Has anyone had the problem with the cross-compile 'as' not understanding '-Qy'? Jul 04 16:08:33 nullpuppy, I just checked my verizon account yesterday and found out my plan expires in like two days heh, so I'm jumping on the open bandwagon Jul 04 16:08:46 any unpublished updates on that issue with AT&T SIM cards? Jul 04 16:08:52 balrog-k1n, hmm, ok....things got a lot more exciting :P Jul 04 16:08:56 jtickle: woot! yay for ditching verion ;) Jul 04 16:08:59 YES Jul 04 16:09:05 works fine Jul 04 16:09:10 nullpuppy, WOO indeed :-) Jul 04 16:09:35 ah, theres the link i was looking for .... http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml Jul 04 16:09:55 cool, thanks, that's the one that said it's 1900 in my area, so awesome Jul 04 16:10:00 :] Jul 04 16:10:01 jtickle: I don't think there are still any issues with AT&T SIM cards Jul 04 16:10:04 but as far as roaming goes if I get the 850 I won't have a problem in other areas Jul 04 16:10:05 yeah ;) Jul 04 16:10:13 yeah Jul 04 16:10:18 wurp2|away_again, awesome. I was looking around the Wiki last night and it still had some listed under "not working" Jul 04 16:10:22 jtickle: I had to send in my gta01 for a firmware update, but I don't think it's an issue for FR Jul 04 16:10:29 There was a recent report about trouble with some 3G SIMs, but it wasn't AT&T (some German carrier, I think) Jul 04 16:10:31 jtickle: I believe that wsa all for gta01 Jul 04 16:10:31 wurp, mine works fine! Jul 04 16:10:40 as well as a T-mobile SIM card. Jul 04 16:10:46 Excellent, so Dave confirms it Jul 04 16:10:47 afk Jul 04 16:10:49 yeah, there's no 3G in my area, I'm a hillbilly Jul 04 16:10:54 amazed there's GSM Jul 04 16:11:08 I have and use an AT&T and T-Mobile SIM, in my GTA02s. Jul 04 16:11:12 They both work fine. Jul 04 16:11:16 Though I need more :P Jul 04 16:11:16 well, gsm is loads better then cdma ;) Jul 04 16:11:35 need more what? sims? or gta02's? Jul 04 16:11:41 Dave, awesome! well, I look forward to doing some development with you guys :-D Jul 04 16:11:43 More SIM Cards :P Jul 04 16:11:47 heehee Jul 04 16:11:57 and well, we could always use more GTA02's, right? ;D Jul 04 16:12:08 Actually, I think I have enough, thanks :P Jul 04 16:12:14 well, yeah, of course ;) Jul 04 16:12:15 if I got any more, I wouldn't know what to do with them Jul 04 16:12:21 hehe Jul 04 16:12:23 use them as shower radios? hockey pucks? Jul 04 16:12:33 ship them off to canada for them to figure that out :P Jul 04 16:12:39 lol Jul 04 16:12:41 * Dave smirks at doc|home Jul 04 16:13:04 Dave: I'm in Canada. Send me some GTA02s! Jul 04 16:13:07 i wouldn't mind a second as a backup or one for pure development Jul 04 16:13:15 but i be poor, so, that ain't gonna happen Jul 04 16:13:53 heehee :) Jul 04 16:13:58 Aww Jul 04 16:14:08 Nullpuppy, be happy with what you have :D Jul 04 16:14:14 yup ;) Jul 04 16:14:24 worst case, i'll still have my razr, so no worries Jul 04 16:14:36 and if you really want, once you get it working, hit up a local vzw store and wave it in their faces :P Jul 04 16:14:39 heehee Jul 04 16:14:53 hehehe Jul 04 16:16:04 Running task 2468 of 6972 ... /me sighs Jul 04 16:16:16 wonder if it'll be done when i get back from Hancock Jul 04 16:16:24 :x Jul 04 16:17:07 evil vulpes :p Jul 04 16:18:08 oh, heh, stupid question, is there support for custom ring tones and stuff in om-2007.2? i don't care too much since i don't actually intend to use it (not gonna risk losing my contacts like that ;)) Jul 04 16:18:15 just curious Jul 04 16:19:10 /topic Jul 04 16:19:27 hehe, /me shrugs Jul 04 16:19:32 i suppose i could look there Jul 04 16:19:33 well there is support in that you can overwrite the ringtone file. Though there was at least at some point a situation where the ringtone length was hardcoded and there would be a ringtone cascade if it was longer than expected ;P Jul 04 16:19:51 haha, woot Jul 04 16:19:53 that sounds awesome Jul 04 16:20:37 buut yeah, stuff like that is always doable on an open phone, just hopefully relatively cleanly at some point too ;) Jul 04 16:20:52 * nullpuppy nods Jul 04 16:21:02 I realize that, i was just curious if it existed yet Jul 04 16:21:11 *nod* Jul 04 16:21:19 so, "not really" :] Jul 04 16:22:06 yup, alright. Jul 04 16:23:17 is there a quick and dirty list of stuff yet to be implemented that i'm not finding by the way? or stuff thats in need of work? i see bits and pieces of stuff all over the place on the wiki, but no definite list or roadmap/whatever Jul 04 16:24:10 the "quick and dirty list of stuff yet to be implemented" is in need of work :) Jul 04 16:24:25 fair enough ;) Jul 04 16:24:50 :D Jul 04 16:25:26 that's how he likes it! Jul 04 16:26:02 so yeah, is there a hw bug with the gps? Jul 04 16:26:26 igor, in what respect? Jul 04 16:26:54 Dave: i gather that the internal antenna is not really functional, as it was with the gta01 Jul 04 16:27:11 Not really functional, as in, just rather weak? Jul 04 16:27:15 igor321: I think you may be thinking of the early version Jul 04 16:27:19 igor321: there was an issue. Jul 04 16:28:00 there are people on the ML saying that they can't get a fix with the internal, i have no idea what hw version they have though Jul 04 16:28:09 Of GTA02? Jul 04 16:28:12 yes Jul 04 16:28:19 I have no idea then. Jul 04 16:28:24 If they are outside Jul 04 16:28:48 alright, off to see hancock, bbl Jul 04 16:29:07 any issue with battery life ? Jul 04 16:29:30 Battery life is a work in progress. The powersaving software is in a very rudimentary state. At the moment 12h is about the most. A week standby and 6 hours talk,20 hours mp3 is probable. Jul 04 16:29:32 My GTA01 needs to be outside with a good view of the sky (not too many trees, buildings, etc). IIRC it was about 140s for a cold-start (no almanac) fix Jul 04 16:29:52 yeah, the issue is with gta02 Jul 04 16:30:04 is this caused by software? Jul 04 16:30:11 Zoup: no Jul 04 16:30:20 yes Jul 04 16:30:22 I mena Jul 04 16:30:23 mean Jul 04 16:30:27 thanks god Jul 04 16:30:39 hence the possible progress. Jul 04 16:30:56 its linux kernel related , i had exact same problem with some of my laptop in suspend to ram state ( if this is the same ) Jul 04 16:31:10 it's not quite that simple. But fundamentally. Jul 04 16:31:19 just jumping in the middle of this thread.....so is there a gps antenna issue on gta02? Jul 04 16:31:44 lemme find it on the ML Jul 04 16:31:51 SpeedEvil: by the way i could say ' ok i buy this phone , they fix the power issue with software , im very OK ' , right ? Jul 04 16:32:05 fucking A, I can't stand this bug. Jul 04 16:32:05 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020553.html Jul 04 16:32:07 grrrrrrr Jul 04 16:32:22 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/020551.html Jul 04 16:32:24 Zoup: yes, it can. Jul 04 16:32:47 igor321 yeh that doesnt sound good i would tend to believe the dude if he has 6 devices Jul 04 16:32:59 zedstar: yeah, me too Jul 04 16:33:21 2 mins or even more don't bother me, but the other guy can't even get a fix Jul 04 16:33:42 a couple of minutes is pretty normal for the 3 gps i own] Jul 04 16:34:17 yeah, but not getting a fix at all or waiting more than 10 minutes is really bad, i'd say Jul 04 16:34:21 igor321: you can buy GPS jammers Jul 04 16:34:25 igor321: maybe someone has Jul 04 16:34:42 Hi. I'm thinking on buying a freerunner, but before that, Id like to try the system, like in an emulator. I saw that : http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile , and it seems to be well, but there isn't any application ? Jul 04 16:34:53 SpeedEvil: what would i do with a jammer? Jul 04 16:36:00 I had a quick look at a datasheet for the gta02's GPS chip. It looks like there are some mode settings that can affect the TTFF. Is there anything on the gta02 that configures the GPS chip, or is it just using power-on defaults? Jul 04 16:36:29 igor321: I was meaning - if it's an isolated report, from one location, it's not implausible that someone has a jammer in that location. Jul 04 16:36:39 zedstar: I do :) Jul 04 16:36:44 there are two reports Jul 04 16:36:48 igor321: if another GPS doesn't get lock. Jul 04 16:37:00 dave u getting a fix in minutes? Jul 04 16:37:02 by two separate people :( Jul 04 16:37:14 Zedstar, it's totally erratic. Jul 04 16:37:20 Sometimes it can get a fix in seconds Jul 04 16:37:25 sometimes minutes Jul 04 16:37:28 other times never Jul 04 16:37:31 or hours Jul 04 16:37:33 i think we need more field reports on this Jul 04 16:37:36 Sometimes it depends on the time of day. Jul 04 16:37:37 it is a bit random Jul 04 16:38:04 (really, at night a lot, it's much more difficult to get a fix), I wouldn't be saying this if it weren't consistent. Jul 04 16:38:17 well there are plenty of people with gta02's, someone should go testing Jul 04 16:38:24 Though I just pulled a rather large gps antenna from the lab yesterday, so I could avoid the problem. Jul 04 16:38:27 like sciency-like Jul 04 16:38:48 igor, I have five that I used last night for gps testing :) Jul 04 16:38:54 a large antenea hmmmmm Jul 04 16:39:04 thing is, most people won't ever be using antenna Jul 04 16:39:07 and I took three out in the car with me, to try to get fixes from various locations. Jul 04 16:39:11 Right. Jul 04 16:39:28 Dave: so, sometimes it doesn't really get a fix Jul 04 16:39:31 ? Jul 04 16:39:34 ok who has a gta01 and gta02? fix comparisons would be good to see Jul 04 16:39:50 igor, as in 0/0 satellites. Jul 04 16:40:20 Daviey: you do know that some cars have GPS opaque windscreens? Jul 04 16:40:23 dave: Jul 04 16:40:36 damn that suck, maybe reseting the whole "getting a fix" process would help Jul 04 16:40:46 also one of my gta02's, I believe, has some sort of issue with it, in that it usually only sees 1/0 satellites, when the others (from the same location), see twelve. Jul 04 16:40:57 So that's why I hooked up a big antenna to it :P Jul 04 16:41:11 DOA return... Jul 04 16:41:18 also that way I can be at my desk, and no matter what the conditions outside are, get a fix. Jul 04 16:41:29 i hope there are not many of these hw bugs in the wild Jul 04 16:41:37 Speedevil, maybe, but then I'd have to return other things as well :) Jul 04 16:42:01 I can't stand these power issues Jul 04 16:42:08 power issues? Jul 04 16:42:13 Damnit Joerg, hurry up and get better already so I can berate you :D Jul 04 16:42:22 you mean the short battery lifetime? Jul 04 16:42:42 how short is short? Jul 04 16:42:50 Wander_w: no, there are issues with it not charging when it's supposed to, not turning on with a dead battery, etc. Jul 04 16:43:10 mmontour: for real? I thought that was only on the GTA01? Jul 04 16:43:10 Wander, there are about three separate issues I have. Jul 04 16:43:15 There's a recent thread on the kernel ML Jul 04 16:43:28 Montour, yes, and I have had all of these :D Jul 04 16:43:46 * Dave claps for himself, pitifully. Jul 04 16:44:19 bugs bugs and more bugs :) Jul 04 16:44:43 dave out of curiousity wot u doing with so many freerunners? Jul 04 16:44:52 Writing software :) Jul 04 16:45:01 testing proof-of-concept applications as well :p Jul 04 16:45:18 what concepts did you prove, man? :) Jul 04 16:45:19 dave ah ok....wot kind software? Jul 04 16:45:26 It's sekret! Jul 04 16:45:33 kk tnx Jul 04 16:45:36 :) Jul 04 16:45:43 And no, I don't work for the NSA :P Jul 04 16:45:44 * zedstar ties dave up Jul 04 16:45:48 as many of you may think. Jul 04 16:45:50 Aaaaaaaaaaah! Jul 04 16:46:09 we have ways of making u talk :) Jul 04 16:46:17 OH... NO... Jul 04 16:46:45 okay you guys Jul 04 16:46:53 i have some technical questions Jul 04 16:46:58 highy theoretical Jul 04 16:47:02 Speak, and ye shall be heard! Jul 04 16:47:23 like if someone were to write an iphoneish gui Jul 04 16:47:25 for the moko Jul 04 16:47:29 what would he use? Jul 04 16:47:33 Highly theoretical, like, would it be possible for the gps to actually give you a relatively consistent and accurate position fix? :p Jul 04 16:47:46 Dave: no, i'm over that :) Jul 04 16:47:50 :[ Jul 04 16:47:53 I'm not. Jul 04 16:48:10 well i could be sad cause if it Jul 04 16:48:13 Though sounds like you want or want somebody to write an iPhone theme for openmoko :P Jul 04 16:48:14 so u writing something involving location dave eh? Jul 04 16:48:20 igor321: clutter :D Jul 04 16:48:29 yeah, clutter Jul 04 16:48:31 uh oh, zedstar is onto me! Jul 04 16:48:40 but can clutter be software rendered? Jul 04 16:48:52 if it can, than it's doable at qvga Jul 04 16:48:54 that was without getting out the nipple clamps! Jul 04 16:49:03 teehee Jul 04 16:50:43 i saw some pocket pc running quake 2, so it got me to thinkin', if this 300 mhz cpu can run quake, surely some flyin' icons and text are less complicated Jul 04 16:51:12 any thoughts? Jul 04 16:52:35 whatsoever? Jul 04 16:53:09 no idea sorry...i played around with SDL once that was kinda fun and had a great API Jul 04 16:53:45 DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Jul 04 16:53:52 SDL IS great Jul 04 16:54:00 makes me want to install FB on my Freerunner :P Jul 04 16:54:12 *everyone's* freerunner >:) Jul 04 16:54:24 wikipedia says opengl has it's own software renderer Jul 04 16:54:49 igor321, don't take this as official, but I think Clutter was designed to work decently without hardware acceleration Jul 04 16:55:08 yeah Jul 04 16:55:25 i believe at qvga it's completely feasable Jul 04 16:55:35 even more so with the gta03 Jul 04 16:56:05 call me gay or whatever, but i'd like a shiny 3d ui :) Jul 04 16:56:20 i love the way people are impressed by compiz Jul 04 16:56:44 igor321, I'm totally with you on that, no reason not to have a shiny UI if you can have one Jul 04 16:57:40 jtickle: i'd like to have a qvga ui that reverts to vga when reading pdfs and such Jul 04 16:58:04 by most account the ASU at VGA is sluggish Jul 04 16:58:11 Dave? Jul 04 16:58:14 is it? :) Jul 04 17:00:32 igor321, sure Jul 04 17:00:47 igor321, so what is this "ASU" I keep seeing? Those are the initials for my university so I keep getting all excited Jul 04 17:02:09 jtickle: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jul 04 17:02:23 there you go, john Jul 04 17:02:26 read up :) Jul 04 17:04:15 if I have 2 cpuss a good strategy is to set -j5 ? Jul 04 17:04:39 goodwill: n+1 threads, so 3 Jul 04 17:04:39 I heard something about setting N as twice the number of total CPUs + 1 available Jul 04 17:05:03 abraxa_: yeah thats what I thought too, but gentoo manual makes me doubt it Jul 04 17:05:18 igor321, thanks! Jul 04 17:05:59 goodwill: Why? n+1 threads put both CPUs/cores to 100%, which is the goal Jul 04 17:06:37 abraxa_: yeah thats what I thought too...I wonder why gentoo is recomending twice the cpu +1 Jul 04 17:06:43 ok Jul 04 17:06:53 I honestly don't know :) Jul 04 17:07:01 abraxa_: just wanted some opinions on that, thank you Jul 04 17:10:24 apt: asu is See http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jul 04 17:10:25 mwester: okay Jul 04 17:10:33 ~asu Jul 04 17:10:33 hmm... asu is See http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Jul 04 17:15:17 balrog-kun, hi, whats the git url for cloning your branch? is it documented? Jul 04 17:15:41 git://bbc.co.uk/gardenersworld/ ? Jul 04 17:16:08 bbc? Jul 04 17:16:18 ~smack SpeedEvil Jul 04 17:16:19 * apt smacks SpeedEvil upside the head. Jul 04 17:16:35 SpeedEvil, *sniff* you are making fun of me Jul 04 17:20:01 Ainulindale, wurp2|away_again, _ferric, Howdy Jul 04 17:21:49 I'm there but busy, I'll read later :-) Jul 04 17:22:00 Sounds good (-: Jul 04 17:25:07 question: Jul 04 17:25:22 Why on earth is there no button to type / in the terminal on OM image? Jul 04 17:25:25 Or am i just missing it Jul 04 17:25:37 Makes it hard typing /dev/ttySAC1 on the phone to see :/ Jul 04 17:26:01 Can I scale the font size in the web browser? Jul 04 17:26:11 * SpeedEvil passes Sebastian a hand-lens. Jul 04 17:26:25 It's too large, not too small. Jul 04 17:28:28 Sup3rkiddo: the kernel? oh i only talking about -andy Jul 04 17:28:36 i don't maintain any branch Jul 04 17:29:10 balrog-kun, ah, ok....i thought you maintain the andy branch Jul 04 17:29:59 nope, that's Andy Green :) Jul 04 17:30:05 Is there a way to charge a Neo battery outside of a Neo? Jul 04 17:30:19 paulproteus: got a lab PSU? Jul 04 17:30:32 SpeedEvil, I don't, sadly )-: Jul 04 17:31:02 roh, Would you add paulproteus as an admin in the SHR milestone? Jul 04 17:40:41 ah ok Jul 04 17:40:46 good night all Jul 04 17:47:44 goodwill: Gentoo recommends nr CPU + 1 so that you can have 1 thread waiting on I/O (like the hard disc) while the other threads keep using the CPU's Jul 04 17:47:58 (sorry for the delay :) ) Jul 04 17:48:12 Wander_w: nr? Jul 04 17:48:20 (oh, it says twice that) Jul 04 17:48:42 Wander_w: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Jul 04 17:49:04 Wander_w: (Modify MAKEOPTS to include -jN, where N is twice the number of CPUs Jul 04 17:49:04 +1 available) Jul 04 17:49:30 Hello Mr. Will :) Jul 04 17:49:34 ah.. you were actually talking about distcc :) Jul 04 17:49:44 well... that goes over the network right? Jul 04 17:50:13 .... so you have even more threads waiting for I/O Jul 04 17:50:21 Wander_w: I do not know how that would make a difference Jul 04 17:50:41 I/O being the network Jul 04 17:50:53 Wander_w: right, but it does nto say N is the number of distcc hosts Jul 04 17:51:17 Wander_w: oooohh, I see Jul 04 17:51:37 Wander_w: I think they do mean the number of CPUs available..as in a cpu per distcc host Jul 04 17:51:55 which probably makes sense Jul 04 17:52:00 um... yeah, what else? Jul 04 17:52:11 dunno, I thought they meant local cpu Jul 04 17:52:16 naah Jul 04 17:53:08 hmm.. time to take the girlfriend out Jul 04 17:53:24 yup, and feed her once in a while Jul 04 17:53:32 Wander_w: you choose gf over computer....you sick bastard Jul 04 17:53:55 some people are sick like that Jul 04 17:54:11 moment of silence for our fallen comrade Jul 04 17:55:58 we could also help him get up, just sayin' Jul 04 17:57:04 * SpeedEvil ponders a on-phone bluetooth dating app for the pessimistic. Jul 04 17:57:22 It just says 'You have no hope'. Jul 04 17:59:58 :P Jul 04 18:03:31 the order page lists GSM 900 and GSM 850s. When I look up my country/provider it says GSM1900 (argentina). Is the "900" a typo or what? Should it be 1900 or... ? It says only 850s are left. Jul 04 18:04:21 jebba: the FR is a triband 850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900 Jul 04 18:05:13 jebba: so both support GSM1900 Jul 04 18:05:16 ah cool, so either will work for me :) thx Jul 04 18:05:24 generally 850/1900 and 900/1900 go together more, but dunno about Argentina Jul 04 18:05:29 someone really needs to fix the webpages. A lot of people are thinking that the 850 vs 900 means mono-banded. Jul 04 18:05:35 uh, I mean 850/1900 and 900/1800 Jul 04 18:06:10 mjr: I think most of the americas is 850/1900 Jul 04 18:06:18 * jebba looking here: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ar.shtml Jul 04 18:06:49 gmaxwell, yeah I just have a vague idea of eg. Brazil having some 900 gsm... but I dunno Jul 04 18:07:13 anyway certainly from jebba's url, the 850 seems to be locally the best choice for Argentina, yes Jul 04 18:07:54 as is to be expected using the mentioned heuristics ;) Jul 04 18:08:26 holy smokes $134 for shipping Jul 04 18:08:46 expedited is $134, saver is $142. heh Jul 04 18:09:23 ouch Jul 04 18:09:58 To where jebba? Jul 04 18:10:02 argentiuna Jul 04 18:10:08 ahh Jul 04 18:10:32 iphone or freerunner... i can't decide. Jul 04 18:11:00 mboldisc: what maks you hesitate between the 2? Jul 04 18:11:01 oh may freerunner for sure are you kidding? Jul 04 18:11:54 I want to write software for my phone. I love linux. But, the mapping and software on the iphone is so refined. Jul 04 18:11:54 mboldisc: or to rephrase, what are you looking for in a new phone? Jul 04 18:12:06 ok, 2 mokos and a dboard on the way, me hopes. Now we'll see what customs has to say.... Jul 04 18:12:24 GPS, Wifi, and 2/3G Jul 04 18:12:35 mboldisc, if you write software for your iphone they'll put you in jail and throw away the key, you know? Jul 04 18:12:38 mboldisc: FR doesn't have 3G Jul 04 18:12:45 I know doc Jul 04 18:13:09 mboldisc: i can understand why you hesitate Jul 04 18:13:23 The problem is that Apple will eventually give in Jul 04 18:13:32 mboldisc: imo, openmoko will give you more freedom to write new applications Jul 04 18:13:33 They will make it easier to write apps Jul 04 18:13:47 mboldisc: but it might be a lot more complicated Jul 04 18:13:50 exactly Jul 04 18:13:52 I don't even own a Mac Jul 04 18:13:59 That's one big problem Jul 04 18:14:10 doesn't the sdk exist for windows? Jul 04 18:14:14 Also, there's a lot of money to be made writing phone software. Jul 04 18:14:15 why buy from a company that deliberately thwarts what you want to do? Jul 04 18:14:36 The Apple store will make some people rich. Jul 04 18:14:48 They have no competition atm. Jul 04 18:15:00 mboldisc: any insight on what type of software you plan on writing? Jul 04 18:15:03 Once Andriod comes... They will have to change a bit. Jul 04 18:15:18 Social networking phone software. Jul 04 18:15:24 Big $$ Jul 04 18:15:37 * benlake stabs himself in the face Jul 04 18:15:41 heh Jul 04 18:15:45 Hey... trying to buy a free runner and the site is screwing up... who do I complain at... can't find any real phone numbers online Jul 04 18:15:52 mboldisc: wouldn't it be safest for you then to have the software for all of the major systems? Jul 04 18:16:08 Hydrant; check the mailing list, there's been lots of discussion about the web store screwing up Jul 04 18:16:11 mboldisc: read iphone, android at least Jul 04 18:16:21 sol: thx... got a link handy ? Jul 04 18:16:27 no :p Jul 04 18:16:27 Well Jul 04 18:16:42 mboldisc: openmoko may not yet been mainstream enough and probably won't be for some time Jul 04 18:16:51 mboldisc: if you are after any money Jul 04 18:16:53 DocCod, sure it is, *I* bought one. Jul 04 18:16:55 That's what I'm thinking Jul 04 18:17:17 i just ordered on the website within the last 15 minutes ok, fwiw Jul 04 18:17:29 who in here already has one? Jul 04 18:17:37 I mean, I'm all for free software, but when iPhone hippies want to buy everything they see... Jul 04 18:17:42 a gta02 he means. Jul 04 18:17:49 * Sebastian got his FreeRunner/GTA02 today. Jul 04 18:18:00 ok, i don't say noone wants the FR, and I am quite happy to see that many people are interest in the project Jul 04 18:18:00 Sebastian; what works, what doesn't? Jul 04 18:18:05 did he just put "iPhone" and "hippie" next to eachother? Jul 04 18:18:07 can you make a call? ;) Jul 04 18:18:15 Yea. Jul 04 18:18:17 sol: I can make/take calls. Jul 04 18:18:22 benlake, isn't that what iphones users are? Jul 04 18:18:25 but for now we are talking like 10'000 phones maybe, against the millions of other phones out there Jul 04 18:18:37 They are stoned hippies. Jul 04 18:18:38 Sebastian; texting? ssh? mp3s? anything else worth noting? Jul 04 18:18:41 I am a hippie. Jul 04 18:18:53 iPhone users are the farthest thing from hippies. Jul 04 18:19:00 sol: ssh works, see http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/801-OpenMoko-Freerunner-and-Ubuntu.html Jul 04 18:19:09 OM users are hippies. Jul 04 18:19:14 lol Jul 04 18:19:15 benlake: I know, I can smell you all the way over here :/ Jul 04 18:19:19 sol: GPS sort of works, couldn't get a fix on a satellite yet, though. Jul 04 18:19:21 OM users are rebels Jul 04 18:19:21 benlake; they're not old-type hippies. new ones yes, where hippie is just derived from 'hipster' Jul 04 18:19:24 * angasule is not a hippie and loves OM Jul 04 18:19:39 hipster + excessively liberal Jul 04 18:20:01 Sebastian; how does one type in the console? Jul 04 18:20:11 checking link now Jul 04 18:20:26 sol: Using the on-screen keyboard and the stylus thingy. Jul 04 18:20:34 sol: Which is awesome, btw. Jul 04 18:20:53 Sebastian; but I imagine that won't come up unless X is working Jul 04 18:21:26 so if I want to #)$* around with it, I should probably get sshd working first, and then do risky things that may (#$% up X after? :) Jul 04 18:21:29 kekeke Jul 04 18:21:33 okay... apparently I have to call my credit card company... interesting Jul 04 18:21:50 mboldisc: horray for being a rebel! Jul 04 18:21:56 hehe Jul 04 18:21:57 Hydrant; that's not overly unusual. the OM guys were downright stupid to use a foreign site for purchasing Jul 04 18:22:05 oh yah Jul 04 18:22:10 I was surprised too Jul 04 18:22:11 It's a trap! Jul 04 18:22:17 well it was a bit disturbing Jul 04 18:22:28 I would prefer my CC info hops through as few routers & countries as possible :) Jul 04 18:22:31 <_newbie3> sol: foreign as in in the country the company is in? Jul 04 18:22:43 _newbie3; foreign as in not where the target audience of the webstore is Jul 04 18:22:50 :P Jul 04 18:23:19 my CC uses a password during verification with my bank Jul 04 18:23:23 <_newbie3> sol: ah right. Like we all like USA so much. This is international... There's no non foreign country anymore. Jul 04 18:23:27 haha Jul 04 18:23:31 failyar. Jul 04 18:23:32 sol: isn't the target audience worldwide? Jul 04 18:24:22 DocCod, _newbie3; if the target audience of the *WEB STORE* is not America, then why is it in english, and why are US & Canada the top two options in the dropdown? Jul 04 18:24:22 :p Jul 04 18:24:40 _newbie3; and, I like the USA just fine Jul 04 18:24:45 obnoxious that they list the USA first. Jul 04 18:24:58 sol: because 99% of the world has some knowledge of english, maybe? :P Jul 04 18:25:21 <_newbie3> and because you can't use a FR if you don't speak english at the moment... etc... Jul 04 18:25:24 and that is why the payment service uses a .tw domain :P Jul 04 18:26:11 the target audience of the webstore was america. hence why the phones were shipped to California, rather than remaining in Taiwan. Jul 04 18:26:26 sol: you got a point there Jul 04 18:26:37 still obnoxious to list the usa first Jul 04 18:26:43 jebba; who would you have recommended? Jul 04 18:26:49 Ghana? Jul 04 18:26:49 indeed, and especially that's why they only sold 850 MHz variants at least in this startup rush Jul 04 18:26:50 alphabetical Jul 04 18:26:54 Afghanistan Jul 04 18:27:00 lol Jul 04 18:27:16 Canada & USA were listed first. I would guess that at least 90% of the people buying on the site were one of the two. Jul 04 18:27:18 I'm sure they have a group buy planned Jul 04 18:27:22 then openmoko would get good crypto call support ;) Jul 04 18:27:50 sol, only 10% europe/rest of world? thats not quite the impression i get from the lists. Jul 04 18:27:53 although, I do agree that messing up an alphabetical list is annoying. they should list Canada & USA twice Jul 04 18:27:58 once correctly in order, and once at the top Jul 04 18:28:04 * jebba barfs Jul 04 18:28:23 jebba; why the hell would you go to the web store to purchase the phone from California, when it would be *MUCH* cheaper to buy it locally? Jul 04 18:28:28 jebba: for europe at least, there are local distributors Jul 04 18:28:32 jebba, Europe/the rest of the world largely want 900 MHz variants which were only available from the resellers at least for now Jul 04 18:29:36 what is the expected release cycle? Jul 04 18:29:43 anticipated, hoped for? Jul 04 18:30:03 release cycle? Jul 04 18:30:07 for what, new models? Jul 04 18:30:14 will android work on the free runner? or no idea yet? I'd like to try it out Jul 04 18:30:22 my order #2161 fwiw Jul 04 18:30:32 the rootfs/kernel images Jul 04 18:30:33 Hydrant: Unless Android gets ported, no Jul 04 18:30:36 Hydrant, not the provided binaries. It may be perhaps ported over if/when the code is actually freed. Jul 04 18:30:44 I dunno, I'm going to be quite happy with it simply running Linux :) Jul 04 18:30:44 too baD Jul 04 18:30:56 so does it run qtopia out of the box ? Jul 04 18:31:13 I liked the feature btw that I can flash it without the debug board... so I can boot of sdcards and all Jul 04 18:31:15 :D Jul 04 18:31:17 but android is a vm platform, not so interesting for a *nux guy... Jul 04 18:31:27 yep Jul 04 18:31:39 but easier to secure Jul 04 18:31:42 I more so just think I would be 133t for having android on a phone before anyone else :-) Jul 04 18:31:54 hah Jul 04 18:32:03 Hydrant: Why anyone would want Android is beyond me. Jul 04 18:32:06 maeh, I'm not done thinking about security for the phone Jul 04 18:32:14 I don't think VM will really help with security Jul 04 18:32:20 'course, the vm should be ported over (in the sense that I hope somebody does), simply for the purpose of leveraging Android apps Jul 04 18:32:21 likely not Jul 04 18:32:31 right Jul 04 18:32:36 the few things that would help security, Linux has most of 'em Jul 04 18:32:39 That's one of the big selling points for the JVM Jul 04 18:32:44 ewwwe JVM Jul 04 18:32:49 :P Jul 04 18:32:53 you could do some sort of jail for applications Jul 04 18:32:57 I'd say (a) an encrypted FS, and (b) password protected anytime it goes from sleep -> on Jul 04 18:33:07 that covers theft Jul 04 18:33:07 you can basically disable access to certain files Jul 04 18:33:24 ... what you want for theft is for the phone to call with the GPS Jul 04 18:33:36 well, for applications, unix file permissions should be good enough Jul 04 18:33:38 ... or to check online if it is registered "stolen" or not Jul 04 18:33:46 :D Jul 04 18:33:51 sol: I'm just saying if you wanted the most silly secure phone in the world Jul 04 18:33:52 have your private files/whatever as your own user, and have the applications that dont need to access them run as 'nobody' Jul 04 18:33:53 better yet Jul 04 18:33:57 Yea Linux is secure, but you can't make the users any smarter Jul 04 18:33:58 include a death module with it :D Jul 04 18:34:09 or a taser Jul 04 18:34:09 i'd really see the face of the buddy stealling a FR right now Jul 04 18:34:22 x_x Jul 04 18:34:31 with abttery runtime of like 12h and almost nothing working properly :P Jul 04 18:34:32 The Doctor is IN. Jul 04 18:34:38 actually, I wouldn't mind a cron job that would see if its on wireless Jul 04 18:34:43 and if it is, use GPS to send its location to me Jul 04 18:34:46 :) Jul 04 18:34:48 * doc|work not a doctor :) Jul 04 18:34:55 (to my house or something) Jul 04 18:35:01 well you could have it check quickly online... like stolenopenmoko.com or something Jul 04 18:35:01 :P Jul 04 18:35:14 does gps work well indoors? Jul 04 18:35:17 if it's possible to lock the JTAG reader or something, you can basically make sure it's bricked Jul 04 18:35:18 :P Jul 04 18:35:20 no, I'd have it report its GPS location directly to me...vigilante justice... Jul 04 18:35:21 doc, no. Jul 04 18:35:27 Near a window it's pretty good. Jul 04 18:35:28 direct to the NRA :-) Jul 04 18:35:34 especially off of the ground floor Jul 04 18:35:37 what does the GPS on it do ? Jul 04 18:35:49 Hydrant: give you the location Jul 04 18:35:50 * sol would bring his wooden "OpenMoko rescue device" Jul 04 18:35:54 Hydrant, get you the location? Jul 04 18:36:03 lol Jul 04 18:36:04 You just need to implement the on-board thermite driver. Jul 04 18:36:12 Muwahahahha Jul 04 18:36:13 SpeedEvil: that'd rock Jul 04 18:36:18 I like your style, Speedevil :) Jul 04 18:36:18 Burning thieves genitals off ++ Jul 04 18:36:20 why would I wanna destroy it Jul 04 18:36:23 :( Jul 04 18:36:26 Let's be friends :) Jul 04 18:36:29 I'd want it *back* Jul 04 18:36:34 why not just make the liion battery explode? Jul 04 18:36:39 SpeedEvil: "it was the battery judge, blame sony" Jul 04 18:36:43 cb22: that's a good idea Jul 04 18:36:47 It already seems to do that quite fine :) Jul 04 18:36:48 yea, actually, @ cb22 Jul 04 18:36:52 :D Jul 04 18:36:56 cb22: courts tend to frown upon murder Jul 04 18:37:04 nah Jul 04 18:37:09 The battery is close to the vibrator motor. Jul 04 18:37:09 remember that the law doesn't understand it Jul 04 18:37:14 I wonder if there'd be enough room to put thermite & magnesium near the battery Jul 04 18:37:18 doc|work: pfft, it was an accident Jul 04 18:37:21 then the battery explodes & lights the thermite :) voila Jul 04 18:37:26 POWER OVERWHELMING Jul 04 18:37:28 just say "sorry... the software did it" and they'd be like ooh... I have problems with my email too... dismissed Jul 04 18:37:30 heh Jul 04 18:37:44 If you add a little cutting wheel that flies out when you rotate teh motor backwards, and cuts into the battery. Jul 04 18:37:48 I don't think I want the thermite stuff until someone's...debugged it :) Jul 04 18:37:59 SpeedEvil: also useful for opening tins of peas Jul 04 18:38:05 haha Jul 04 18:38:06 just wait for the thieve to turn up on IRC asking questions how to use the phone! Jul 04 18:38:07 SpeedEvil: killer feature Jul 04 18:38:07 debugged their genetalia off? Jul 04 18:38:15 :P Jul 04 18:38:20 haha, lame. Jul 04 18:38:24 maybe just a vial of skunk odor Jul 04 18:38:32 something that can be cleaned off with time, but will smell super nasty Jul 04 18:38:36 Hydrant: makes sense, until you drop the phone Jul 04 18:39:01 * cb22 hugs proxytunnel Jul 04 18:39:15 nothing like using free vodafone live for anything you want :) Jul 04 18:39:32 anywho, I'm thinking remote overcharging to burn out the thief's/end purchasers mobo Jul 04 18:39:34 Nothing like being a US citizen. Jul 04 18:39:49 ooh... I have a good idea... have the brand name change over to "Microsoft"... that way if someone steals it, they'll immediately throw it in the nearest trash bin Jul 04 18:39:57 Doc, that sounds like an elective aftermarket modification :) Jul 04 18:40:03 i.e. they're charging via USB, the phone contacts you and remotely you get it to try to charge at 2A :) Jul 04 18:40:12 nothing like using free vodafone live for anything you want :) Jul 04 18:40:14 Hydrant, ah, the typical Microsoft(R) Tentacle Rape? Jul 04 18:40:20 :) Jul 04 18:40:28 ... or just use the phone to take their bank info while it's connected via USB Jul 04 18:40:36 get yourself 10 phones instead Jul 04 18:40:41 so any iea when it's going to be shipped out? Jul 04 18:40:46 GRENADES Jul 04 18:40:52 Hydrant: too traceable Jul 04 18:41:06 cool some woman served underarm on the tennis! sneaky Jul 04 18:41:09 also, anyone in the SF area here? Jul 04 18:41:27 * Dave rolls his eyes at zedstar. Jul 04 18:41:43 * zedstar is in friday beer mode Jul 04 18:41:47 191 phones left :( Jul 04 18:41:55 doc|work: huh? Jul 04 18:41:57 all your phones... Jul 04 18:42:03 cb22: according to the site Jul 04 18:42:09 which site? Jul 04 18:42:10 zedstar: http://pic.zash.se/glassgubbe-partymode.gif Jul 04 18:42:17 bah Jul 04 18:42:39 phew thought u wanna goatse me then Jul 04 18:42:39 cb22: apple.com have started selling the freerunner. didn't you hear? which site do you think? Jul 04 18:42:45 :) Jul 04 18:42:49 oi Jul 04 18:42:59 :) from direct or distributors? Jul 04 18:43:06 cb22: direct Jul 04 18:43:11 crap Jul 04 18:43:13 i need to get one Jul 04 18:43:17 no! Jul 04 18:43:17 but my cc isn't working Jul 04 18:43:22 wow are they not sold out yet? Jul 04 18:43:26 leave some for my group :) Jul 04 18:43:35 they're selling a lot slower than I thought they would :P Jul 04 18:43:44 doc|work: any chance you are in the SF area? Jul 04 18:44:02 kelvie_: we don't know how many they had, but they sold at least 250 in 12 hours Jul 04 18:44:15 cb22: nope, vancouver canada, waiting on my group to get their shit together Jul 04 18:44:20 yeah that seems somewhat of a low number :P Jul 04 18:44:24 how fast did it sell the first time? Jul 04 18:44:47 doc|work: where is this counter? Jul 04 18:44:56 in one of the european stores, 400 phones were sold out in like 2.5 hours Jul 04 18:44:56 kelvie_: in those 12 hours most people who'd be buying from that store were asleep :) Jul 04 18:45:27 cb22: I think it was SpeedEvil's trick. Go to the store, try to order 1000 and click update, it will update to the max number they have left. Jul 04 18:45:42 hah, clever Jul 04 18:45:47 indeed Jul 04 18:45:58 cb22: that of course might not be accurate Jul 04 18:46:16 hi Jul 04 18:46:52 http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif for a graph Jul 04 18:47:17 since I am not able to get wlan with wpa2 working on my freerunner at the moment, is it possible to route the connection over usb to the freerunner? Jul 04 18:48:09 SpeedEvil: nice Jul 04 18:48:41 at that rate they'll be sold out before I get to buy mine :( Jul 04 18:48:57 hahahah, the aux led blinks red repeatedly upon kernel panic Jul 04 18:49:09 SpeedEvil: Fancy! Jul 04 18:49:15 hello folks :) Jul 04 18:49:46 * cb22 waits for xorg to install Jul 04 18:50:34 Dave: like this: http://www.reellifewisdom.com/files/images/hal2.jpg ? Jul 04 18:50:37 Dave: how do you get kernelpanic? Jul 04 18:50:40 anyone havve any insider info on when the next batch of devices will come through? Jul 04 18:50:58 Dave: I'm sorry Dave I can't... oops! Jul 04 18:51:18 np: In the year 2525. Jul 04 18:51:29 hahaha, that'd rock, on kernel panic it starts playing daisy.wav over and over again Jul 04 18:52:22 cb22: @pulster.eu the second batch is aimed to be shipped until 25.7.2008 Jul 04 18:52:30 or displays hello.jpg :p Jul 04 18:54:19 hello.jpg? Jul 04 18:54:40 is that something I want to search for? I'm thinking probably not :) Jul 04 18:54:45 doc|work: you don't want to know :) Jul 04 18:55:10 doc|work: yeah. think dodgy .cx domains Jul 04 18:55:14 well, my phone is in the mail... now to wait until it ships Jul 04 18:55:19 Or in this case, the appropriate smiley would be closer to =O= Jul 04 18:55:27 right :) Jul 04 18:59:06 so it is not possible to bring the freerunner into the internet over usb Jul 04 18:59:31 Bumbl: i think it should be possible, but I wouldn't know yet, still waiting for mine Jul 04 18:59:36 Bumbl: Sure is... where did you get the idea it weren't? Jul 04 18:59:59 yikes, neo freerunner is already sold out? Jul 04 19:00:08 luroh: not from the shop. Jul 04 19:00:15 because i asked it before and nobody answered Jul 04 19:00:28 SpeedEvil: what le hell, less than 400 frs? Jul 04 19:00:34 Bumbl: Well, that's probably because it's easily found on the wiki :) Jul 04 19:00:38 SpeedEvil: hmm, shop says: "GSM 900 Sold Out!" Jul 04 19:00:40 Bumbl, puh-leese Jul 04 19:01:02 abraxa_: i haven't found it; the wiki search is crap Jul 04 19:01:07 luroh: It may never have had stock Jul 04 19:01:09 Bumbl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 04 19:01:17 Bumbl, use the dnrd method Jul 04 19:01:23 the script works for sure [tm] Jul 04 19:01:46 thank you Jul 04 19:01:48 josch: you getting a freerunner? Jul 04 19:01:50 SpeedEvil: heh, funny shop. ok, i'll click around som more Jul 04 19:01:55 some* Jul 04 19:01:58 Bumbl: You're welcome :) Jul 04 19:02:21 cb22, nope - my gta01 ist enough as I only do developing with it Jul 04 19:02:28 and additionally Jul 04 19:02:44 350€ were already spend on my new mokopedia bulidmachine Jul 04 19:03:09 josch: when i get my new PC i can donate some cpu cycles to that :) Jul 04 19:03:16 8 cores ftw Jul 04 19:03:22 o0 Jul 04 19:03:40 cb22, i hope you have a high-end raid too there? Jul 04 19:03:54 only $1000 with 8gb of ram too Jul 04 19:04:01 -.- Jul 04 19:04:17 josch: not high end, but 4x 250gb hdds that i, uh, 'borrowed' from my dad Jul 04 19:04:25 thats like 500EUR ;) Jul 04 19:04:37 for 350€ i got a core2quad that i overclocked to 3GHz, 4gig ram, shuttle case, psu.... Jul 04 19:05:03 as i only care about the processor this is enough for me Jul 04 19:05:21 somehow php's slowness has to be compensated with pure force Jul 04 19:05:57 stop talking about new hardware please Jul 04 19:06:03 lol :D Jul 04 19:06:05 * doc|work squints at 1024x768 crt Jul 04 19:06:10 o0 Jul 04 19:06:15 work :/ Jul 04 19:06:29 cb22, what so you use this baby for? Jul 04 19:06:30 * lpotter squints at 640x480 crt Jul 04 19:06:38 lpotter: really? o.O Jul 04 19:06:42 no Jul 04 19:06:45 good Jul 04 19:06:48 * josch squints at 480x640 lcd :D Jul 04 19:06:51 thought they'd been killed Jul 04 19:06:54 josch: hah Jul 04 19:07:09 * lpotter squints at 1680x1050 lcd Jul 04 19:07:41 brb macross Jul 04 19:10:00 lpotter: yeah, have that at home Jul 04 19:10:02 mmmmm Jul 04 19:10:38 lpotter: any idea when qtopia will be available? Jul 04 19:11:19 I will release a 4.3.x image this next week, if it builds Jul 04 19:11:30 :) Jul 04 19:12:21 cool :) Jul 04 19:12:32 you folks have issues Jul 04 19:12:35 but 4.4 will be the thing to use, as it has a web browser Jul 04 19:12:47 lpotter: any eta on that? :) Jul 04 19:12:52 o. morning. Jul 04 19:12:52 goodwill: ? Jul 04 19:13:11 squinting and all Jul 04 19:13:21 Any idea when 900MHZ will be available ? Jul 04 19:13:21 ;-P Jul 04 19:13:51 POWER PROBLEMS. Jul 04 19:14:22 Zoup: 900Mhz? Jul 04 19:14:36 doc|work: soon. I cant remember the release date set. Jul 04 19:14:47 goodwill: European gsm-900 phones Jul 04 19:14:57 oh right Jul 04 19:15:03 I heard they sold out Jul 04 19:16:01 im glad i made it!! Jul 04 19:16:20 Dave: is that , THAT bad ? Jul 04 19:16:31 goodwill: yeah , any idea when they will be available ? Jul 04 19:16:52 pulster.de was talking about getting more around the 25th Jul 04 19:17:00 http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ Jul 04 19:17:15 ooooooooo I just thought of a good idea Jul 04 19:17:21 if I leave my phone at home when I go to work Jul 04 19:17:28 login via ssh & check my text messages :D Jul 04 19:17:32 + maybe send them out Jul 04 19:17:36 dont even need to have my phone with me Jul 04 19:18:16 sol, indeed. You can even remote access the GUI if you want... Jul 04 19:18:20 ooo vnc? Jul 04 19:18:35 yeah, just install x11vnc on it and boom Jul 04 19:18:40 its already working? Jul 04 19:18:40 done that, for presentation purposes :] Jul 04 19:18:42 fuck yea Jul 04 19:19:33 handy to project the neo screen from the presentation lappie Jul 04 19:23:24 Naah. Just put it on a overhead projector, and set the backlight to over 9000%. Jul 04 19:25:16 Speedevil, nice :D Jul 04 19:25:30 you surely are evil. Jul 04 19:26:50 happy ID Dave :-) Jul 04 19:27:58 lpotter, The Trolls have no intent of making the Qtopia apps work with the FSO dbus layer - is that correct? Jul 04 19:28:07 (Just trying to clarify for myself the state of things) Jul 04 19:29:02 Dave: hi Jul 04 19:29:55 paulproteus: havent really thought about it. Jul 04 19:30:38 it would seem like a rather bg change, which would take convincing management Jul 04 19:30:54 * paulproteus nods Jul 04 19:31:09 i will look into it though Jul 04 19:31:33 perhaps it can be my Creative Friday project. I have been looking for one to do Jul 04 19:36:24 re Jul 04 19:38:06 * goodwill done training the spam filters Jul 04 19:38:29 lpotter: Creative Friday? what is that? google? Jul 04 19:39:03 trolltech Jul 04 19:39:12 ermm.. Trolltech, a Nokia company Jul 04 19:39:17 :) Jul 04 19:39:29 lpotter: ah... Jul 04 19:39:49 lpotter: is this Noia policy or trolltech? Jul 04 19:39:51 google didnt start the 20% 'work on other stuff' Jul 04 19:39:58 trolltech has always had that Jul 04 19:40:34 creative friday sounds like a usual friday in the pub in UK companies ;) Jul 04 19:41:15 we have either createive friday projects, or research projects which is more like a block of time devoted to doing it, rather than one day everyweek Jul 04 19:41:27 lpotter: you think nokia will keep that policy? Jul 04 19:41:35 yes Jul 04 19:42:04 a lot of talent would leave if they changed it Jul 04 19:44:29 how can I change the fso demo icons into application launchers; i have read it is possible but i can't find the how to anymore Jul 04 19:45:05 Bumbl, my guess: Jul 04 19:45:19 when you download all the data from svn Jul 04 19:45:43 you get the image files with it, replace the appropriate image files with the ones you want :) Jul 04 19:45:53 oh, oops Jul 04 19:46:10 just re read what you wrote, and i answered a Q you didn't ask :) Jul 04 19:46:14 sorry about that. ;) Jul 04 19:46:25 no i have read something about copying .desktop files form /usr/share/applications to another directory Jul 04 19:46:34 but I can't find to which Jul 04 19:46:40 np Jul 04 19:46:40 sounds reasonable enough. Jul 04 19:46:47 well i guess it will be in your home dir Jul 04 19:46:53 Arg. :< Jul 04 19:46:54 /home/root/ Jul 04 19:47:06 The store won't accept mah CreditCard. They should use PayPal. >_> Jul 04 19:47:36 weird it's not /root but i saw someone saying here that it is in fact in /home/root Jul 04 19:47:36 Infinyte1: maybe its personal? Jul 04 19:47:44 Infinyte1: you should tell its pretty Jul 04 19:47:56 Lulz Jul 04 19:48:25 Well I think my CC company just doesn't allow out of country purchases, I'll have to call them and authorize it. But they aren't open. ._. Jul 04 19:48:28 Infinyte1, i guess god does not want to add you to my hit list (yeah, Im jealous) Jul 04 19:48:53 Infinyte1, where are you from? Jul 04 19:48:56 no it is /home/root which I don't understand why Jul 04 19:48:57 USA Jul 04 19:49:06 Bumbl, weird. Jul 04 19:49:29 Infinyte1, then why out of country purchase? Jul 04 19:49:40 Bumbl, yeah, weird. Jul 04 19:49:40 This is from the openmoko wiki main page:'FreeRunners are shipping now in the EU from resellers, and in North America from Jul 04 19:49:41 the Openmoko store'. so what about the rest of the world? Jul 04 19:49:56 Well, the "Hi_trust" thing that you use to purchase is ran through EU. Jul 04 19:50:00 smhar, asia also from the asian resellers :) Jul 04 19:50:20 no one apparently live in australia though. Jul 04 19:51:10 TAsn, the only non EU reseler is in India, and they do not have eshop page to sell outside indea Jul 04 19:51:12 TAsn, actually it is but i can't help Jul 04 19:51:55 where can I read the documentation for gta01's LCD controller ? Jul 04 19:52:00 Bumbl, what? Jul 04 19:52:08 I'd like to switch the mode to QVGA Jul 04 19:52:24 Bumbl, yeah, weird Jul 04 19:52:29 It says: Error from the Hi Trust gateway: Jul 04 19:52:31 :\ Jul 04 19:52:46 TAsn, actually it is but i can't help Jul 04 19:52:52 did you mean it* can't...? Jul 04 19:53:12 and it is not /home/root to drop the desktop files Jul 04 19:53:21 Bumbl, of course not. Jul 04 19:53:29 look for a dir Jul 04 19:53:32 Desktop there. Jul 04 19:53:41 or something like that. Jul 04 19:53:51 just look in the qtopia wiki or something. Jul 04 19:54:37 anyway I'm off for today Jul 04 19:54:38 will openmoko ever offer the 900mhz model direct from its online store? Jul 04 19:54:41 bye Jul 04 19:54:48 smhar, yeah. Jul 04 19:55:03 next weak or something Jul 04 19:55:05 Will they ever use PayPal? :D Jul 04 19:55:06 >_> Jul 04 19:55:13 Infinyte1, may be. Jul 04 19:55:24 Infinyte1, but some of the retailers use paypal... Jul 04 19:55:29 anyway, im off. Jul 04 19:55:30 cya all. Jul 04 19:55:40 Guess it doesn't matter. I can call my CC company tomorrow and hopefully get it autho'd. Jul 04 19:55:42 Seeya Jul 04 19:56:19 Paypal is evil. I'm glad that OM doesn't use it. Jul 04 19:56:41 aw, but I like Paypal Jul 04 19:57:53 about the only good thing about paypal is that you dont have to enter everything at every store Jul 04 19:58:01 but aside of that, it's a totally f'up company Jul 04 19:58:44 Blame Ebay for owning it Jul 04 19:59:18 :D Jul 04 20:01:04 * Dave sends Sonicadvance Infinyte1 mmontour SIGBEER Jul 04 20:01:24 never Jul 04 20:01:32 trapped? :o Jul 04 20:03:01 ok, I should be getting mine sometime next week Jul 04 20:03:16 and fso-light finally compiled Jul 04 20:03:19 joy, joy Jul 04 20:04:24 anyone from norway here who have recieved the phone yet? Jul 04 20:07:19 the last email in the openmoko archive is dated 30th June 2008, what is happening? any fixed or approximate date of the availability of 900mhz models through OM store? Jul 04 20:10:26 smhar: the ML archives are grouped by month - look in the July directory. Jul 04 20:10:52 BBQ! Jul 04 20:11:07 wait a minute, I forgot that :-) Jul 04 20:11:47 Who wants some food? :D Jul 04 20:11:52 I DO Jul 04 20:12:17 good idea, im hungry Jul 04 20:12:56 haha, I should put up a sign in front of my place... Jul 04 20:13:04 COME FOR THE FREERUNNER, STAY FOR THE FOOD! Jul 04 20:13:12 haha Jul 04 20:15:04 hey, it'd probably get ferric to drive down :) Jul 04 20:17:01 hrm, this time tzdata_2007k.bb failed. but it finished! Jul 04 20:17:13 o_O Jul 04 20:17:27 precisely Jul 04 20:17:35 oh, packages? Jul 04 20:17:41 i think so Jul 04 20:17:47 Oh yeah Jul 04 20:17:49 yeah Jul 04 20:17:54 ERROR: Task 5677 (/home/dustin/Code/OpenMoko/moko/openembedded/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb, do_package) failed Jul 04 20:17:56 I probably would Dave Jul 04 20:17:56 a lot of shit fails sometimes, but installs fine Jul 04 20:17:58 right Jul 04 20:18:02 It's annoying. Jul 04 20:18:10 yup :) Jul 04 20:18:23 like after the fack, check the pkg info and it'll say installed Jul 04 20:18:24 ok food. Jul 04 20:18:27 I think that should be fixed. Jul 04 20:18:31 * Dave feeds ferric Jul 04 20:20:19 hmm, maybe thats part of my problem... run-qemu is using -M gta01 Jul 04 20:20:23 * nullpuppy should change that Jul 04 20:21:49 oh :P Jul 04 20:22:23 hmm Jul 04 20:22:46 bah, why didn't i look at that before.... Jul 04 20:23:01 MACHINE = in local.conf shouldn't be om-gta01 should it? :/ Jul 04 20:23:07 (for the freerunner) Jul 04 20:23:17 probably not! :D Jul 04 20:24:19 * nullpuppy sighs Jul 04 20:24:30 * nullpuppy changes the 1 to a 2 and builds Jul 04 20:24:39 heehee :P Jul 04 20:25:02 that blows Jul 04 20:25:14 * nullpuppy remakes openmoko-devel-image Jul 04 20:25:26 whee Jul 04 20:25:35 sit back, and relax now? Jul 04 20:25:41 something like that ;) Jul 04 20:25:49 I need a damn compile farm ;) Jul 04 20:26:31 a beowulf cluster for compiling stuff would be awesome Jul 04 20:26:43 -M gta02fake right? Jul 04 20:26:53 kdubois: hehe, yeah. definitely Jul 04 20:27:34 awww, can't run with old images ;) Jul 04 20:30:10 josch: i also have a 9800gtx Jul 04 20:30:22 i intend to do some serious bzflag playing :) Jul 04 20:30:26 -.- Jul 04 20:30:34 that, and make -j 10 :) Jul 04 20:30:37 haha Jul 04 20:30:46 nvidia == evil Jul 04 20:30:56 your money is better spend in oss amd stuff :P Jul 04 20:31:00 no ways Jul 04 20:31:07 give me an amd driver on freebsd Jul 04 20:31:12 huh. should i just run make setup-machine-freerunner first? Jul 04 20:31:15 s/amd/ati/ Jul 04 20:31:16 cb22 meant: give me an ati driver on freebsd Jul 04 20:31:28 cb22, does nvidia supply freebsd drivers?? Jul 04 20:31:42 yep, they work great too Jul 04 20:31:44 3d Jul 04 20:31:44 josch: yep Jul 04 20:31:49 but only for i386? Jul 04 20:32:08 ... Jul 04 20:32:12 crap Jul 04 20:32:15 boo hoo Jul 04 20:32:47 * josch bets on xf86-video-ati becoming usable (as in 3d performance) over time Jul 04 20:33:04 * cb22 searchs the web for info on that Jul 04 20:33:15 josch: yup. Jul 04 20:33:25 and can't do PAE with modules Jul 04 20:33:58 ati drivers are only gonna get better. thank god for amd ;) yay for released specs Jul 04 20:34:27 yeah no illegal proprietary kernel modules anymore! Jul 04 20:34:29 yey! Jul 04 20:34:45 yay! Jul 04 20:34:55 they need to have decent cards first :p Jul 04 20:35:01 yeah, xorg set up and video drivers for linux have really improved over last 2 years Jul 04 20:35:13 in another two years it probably will all be nicely consolidated Jul 04 20:35:29 cb22, the 4800 series is pretty decent :P Jul 04 20:35:42 remember when you had to go through setting up that custom gl x seerver just to get compiz working Jul 04 20:35:48 nvidia just dropped their prices to compete with them Jul 04 20:35:49 the name avoids me.. Jul 04 20:36:07 goodwill, ack Jul 04 20:36:20 cb22: yeah...that sucked Jul 04 20:36:23 aiglx Jul 04 20:36:33 josch: for whatever reason, i've always liked nvidia/intel Jul 04 20:36:48 although performance seems to go in turns Jul 04 20:36:48 cb22: the new intel cards really suck Jul 04 20:36:54 my old saying: "nvidia crap never enters my home" :P Jul 04 20:37:02 cb22: I had the worst luck with 965 series Jul 04 20:37:03 goodwill: processors Jul 04 20:37:09 well anyways Jul 04 20:37:14 cb22: I am talking driver support Jul 04 20:37:15 * josch doesnt need any 3d Jul 04 20:37:23 it flipping locking me the box Jul 04 20:37:25 so i do not really care Jul 04 20:37:40 * SpeedEvil wants 34d, for faithful reproduction of string theory. Jul 04 20:37:42 although performance seems to go in turns. like pentium 4 sucked, then core 2 started owning. and lets not even speak about the fx 5xxx series Jul 04 20:37:55 SpeedEvil, lol Jul 04 20:37:55 haha Jul 04 20:38:11 Speedevil, would you settle for a doughnut right now, instead? :) Jul 04 20:38:15 * Dave offers Jul 04 20:38:23 can i haz doughnut? Jul 04 20:38:29 eh, I suppose :P Jul 04 20:38:33 I've got a bunch Jul 04 20:38:38 ooh, i wants a doughnut! Jul 04 20:38:43 that and some fresh-off-the-grill barbecue :D Jul 04 20:38:48 * josch never ever ate a donut... Jul 04 20:39:06 * cb22 munches on a doughnut while waiting for xorg to compile on his eee Jul 04 20:39:10 hmm, so.. mokomakefile needs some updating.. doesn't like freerunner and qemu at the moment :) Jul 04 20:39:13 :D Jul 04 20:39:36 mokomake me a hamburger :D Jul 04 20:39:40 man sorting through these logs are going to be real frustrating Jul 04 20:39:43 haha Jul 04 20:40:07 ;) Jul 04 20:41:32 should the device be fully updated at some point Jul 04 20:41:38 linuxxr: what log files? Jul 04 20:41:42 the freerunner Jul 04 20:41:55 Man, does anyone have the matchbox-keyboard-* and input packages available? Jul 04 20:42:00 linuxxr: not enough information Jul 04 20:42:04 Hello Jon Jul 04 20:42:16 Dave: for what? devel? Jul 04 20:42:36 wow, 45kbyte/s+ through proxytunnel on vodafone live Jul 04 20:42:43 The repo is down, and they're not in main yet :P Jul 04 20:42:51 if only i had a freerunner to run it on, instead of an eee :( Jul 04 20:42:54 and I need to install them on one of my gta02's Jul 04 20:43:06 Dave: one of? Jul 04 20:43:13 Correct. Jul 04 20:43:21 how many do you have? Jul 04 20:43:30 yeey Jul 04 20:43:31 cb22: what's the device? Jul 04 20:43:33 many Jul 04 20:43:33 gnight all Jul 04 20:43:53 SpeedEvil: my nokia e51 Jul 04 20:43:55 ah Jul 04 20:43:58 So does anyone have them available, or could point me to their respective svn. Jul 04 20:44:16 hooked up with usb. i expected the filtering to be a lot harder to get around Jul 04 20:44:39 infact, it didnt work. then i realized i was using the wrong ip Jul 04 20:46:04 Bah Jul 04 20:46:33 Anyone have the svn of the matchbox keyboard input? Jul 04 20:47:12 anyone got a freerunner from pulster yet? Jul 04 20:47:14 so are there any good really tiny keyboards out there that i can plug into the usb port of the gta02? Jul 04 20:47:41 Dave: I can make you those Jul 04 20:47:42 kdubois: nice teeny BT ons Jul 04 20:47:50 credit card sized Jul 04 20:48:04 really? that would be great. what are they called? Jul 04 20:48:33 freedom bluetooth keyboard Jul 04 20:48:38 google Jul 04 20:48:49 thanks SpeedEvil Jul 04 20:49:02 Goodwill, and I cannot make them myself? Jul 04 20:49:20 Speedevil, wow, and they are useful? Jul 04 20:49:32 Danker: well I have almost the whole tree compiled...it woudl probably be fast Jul 04 20:50:03 Maybe Dave? x) Jul 04 20:50:23 heehee :p Jul 04 20:50:27 Yes, perhaps ;) Jul 04 20:50:34 dankje, Danker :D Jul 04 20:51:09 Dave: From? Danish? :) Jul 04 20:51:23 Danker: oops Jul 04 20:51:25 Actually it is based on german word x) Jul 04 20:51:32 Dutch :p Jul 04 20:51:34 Dave: well I have almost the whole tree compiled...it would probably be fast Jul 04 20:51:43 Yes, I heard you, Mr. Will. :p Jul 04 20:51:51 * daMaestro : Your Order ID is: 2217 Jul 04 20:51:55 Goodwill, so long as your packages work, and aren't crap, sure. Jul 04 20:51:59 Send 'em on over :) Jul 04 20:52:07 Dave: I have no idea if they work... Jul 04 20:52:18 kdubois: depends if you want a keyb that small. There are lots of assorted bluetooth keyboards of all sizes. Jul 04 20:52:49 Clearly :) Jul 04 20:53:05 Speedevil, wasn't sure if you had used any of them yourself, or if you were partial to them. Jul 04 20:53:18 Though yes, the community thanks you for your information, once again :) Jul 04 20:54:11 in the meantime... come on satellites! Jul 04 20:54:23 why do you forsake me! Jul 04 20:54:34 SpeedEvil: i just want a small keyboard i can throw in my laptop bag, this looks like it fits the bill Jul 04 20:55:08 Dave: a 'virgin' fix could take some tie Jul 04 20:55:11 time* Jul 04 20:55:27 daMaestro: looks like 173 left in the store now - time for SpeedEvil to update his graph Jul 04 20:55:34 cb22, not with this size antenna I've got connected to it :D Jul 04 20:55:45 Dave: used none Jul 04 20:55:49 Meh this is with the DOA phone though Jul 04 20:55:49 mmontour, yeah; i'm just glad i managed to get my order in Jul 04 20:55:50 (although I only checked the singles, not the 10-packs) Jul 04 20:55:52 Speed evil, alright. Jul 04 20:56:16 MUCH smoother this time Jul 04 20:56:27 Dave: check you PM Jul 04 20:57:09 There an alternate way to buy the Freerunner in the US? :< Jul 04 20:57:22 kdubois, i think you should be better off with a silicon folding keyboard... Jul 04 20:57:26 i made sure to have an "openmoko" budget (which includes an unlimited data plan for when i get my device) Jul 04 20:57:33 * daMaestro you know your a geek when. Jul 04 20:57:56 Infinyte1: if you click the Buy from a Distributor instead of the openmoko store, they have lists of people in the .eu and asia Jul 04 20:58:00 Infinyte1, i saw something about fica.com but it sounds like it's them. anyway they do leave a phone number... just look in the distributors page. Jul 04 20:58:03 anyone working on getting blackberry "push" functions to work with gsmd? Jul 04 20:58:13 TAsn: that looks like it might be good too... Jul 04 20:58:17 nullpuppy, they also added the us and canada there. Jul 04 20:58:22 kdubois, go for it :) Jul 04 20:58:24 awesome. about time ;) Jul 04 20:58:52 They did? Jul 04 20:59:00 OH Jul 04 20:59:02 They did. :D Jul 04 20:59:06 nullpuppy, i want more asia distributors, or maybe an option to get it cheap from the factory :) Jul 04 20:59:07 haha Jul 04 20:59:14 TAsn: hehe, yeah ;) Jul 04 20:59:17 Infinyte1, i rock ;0 Jul 04 20:59:27 <3 you TAsn. Jul 04 21:00:00 what does that mean? i don't talk internet. :) Jul 04 21:00:02 Now if only Fica wasn't timing out. >_> Jul 04 21:00:04 Oh. Jul 04 21:00:04 :< Jul 04 21:00:12 <3=Heart=Lovez Jul 04 21:00:13 :D Jul 04 21:00:18 fica? Jul 04 21:00:30 gprs Jul 04 21:00:31 www.fica.com = Alternate US buying site Jul 04 21:00:35 Infinyte1, fica and the canadian distributors are timeouting. Jul 04 21:00:42 Must be popular Jul 04 21:00:43 >_> Jul 04 21:00:43 cb22, fica = fic america... Jul 04 21:00:52 ah Jul 04 21:00:57 yeah. Jul 04 21:01:04 must buy... Jul 04 21:01:12 openmoko don't want my money :(( Jul 04 21:01:34 Mine either. :\ Jul 04 21:01:38 cb22, hehe :) Jul 04 21:01:44 open moko want my money Jul 04 21:01:51 i just don't want their 850 :) Jul 04 21:03:01 so how do fic america sell the freerunner? Jul 04 21:03:35 cb22, the usual way, money for phone ;0 Jul 04 21:04:05 damn, i wanted a free one :) Jul 04 21:04:23 cb22, same here. Jul 04 21:04:37 although i have nothing to do with an 850 i wouldn't mind getting one :) Jul 04 21:04:50 (for free of course) Jul 04 21:05:02 850 / 900 is not even used in south africa Jul 04 21:05:09 so it makes no difference to me Jul 04 21:05:15 but they wont take my damn money Jul 04 21:05:24 cb22, i c. Jul 04 21:05:35 even after going through the secured by visa thing, it still blocks me Jul 04 21:05:44 gonna call the bank tomorrow Jul 04 21:05:46 Same cb22. Jul 04 21:05:47 no idea ;\ Jul 04 21:05:53 cb22, email them. Jul 04 21:06:00 Infinyte1, same goes for you... Jul 04 21:06:07 E-Mail who? Jul 04 21:06:12 openmoko.com... Jul 04 21:06:14 Oh Jul 04 21:06:15 >_> Jul 04 21:06:23 Sure, why not. Jul 04 21:06:26 :) Jul 04 21:06:41 well, im off, gotta get some food and sleep. :) Jul 04 21:06:59 hope you get your phones :) Jul 04 21:07:09 Thanke Jul 04 21:08:03 TAsn: interesting. I didn't know that there was a canadian distributor. Jul 04 21:08:26 mmontour, not to late to cancel your openmoko.com order ;0 Jul 04 21:08:29 too* Jul 04 21:08:30 :P Jul 04 21:08:56 TAsn: I haven't placed an order yet. I got my GTA01 from the first batch, but I'm going to let other people have the early-adopter fun with the Freerunner Jul 04 21:09:13 any official plans to support RTL langauages in Freerunner? Jul 04 21:09:38 smhar: one variant will come with a built-in mirror. Jul 04 21:09:52 * SpeedEvil doesn't know. Jul 04 21:10:06 mmontour, hehe :) Jul 04 21:10:17 SpeedEvil, LOL :) Jul 04 21:10:33 smhar, from i know, support is there... Jul 04 21:10:34 SpeedEvil, it is these times when I wish I am a programmer :-) Jul 04 21:10:51 i have a friend reading smses rtl Jul 04 21:10:59 heh Jul 04 21:11:10 Soo Jul 04 21:11:15 How stable is the Freerunner? Jul 04 21:11:16 Speedevil, a mirror, for what? Jul 04 21:11:20 writing is not possible yet, because of the on screen keyboard lacking the appropriate keys. Jul 04 21:11:46 smhar, don't you worry :) Jul 04 21:12:02 Dave: to flip the screen around Jul 04 21:12:02 rtl is deprecated anyway :) Jul 04 21:12:15 TAsn, I am not. for the freedom I can sucrify some wating :-) Jul 04 21:13:10 smhar, i was thinking the same. Jul 04 21:13:15 i like english better anyway :) Jul 04 21:13:40 i just need an excuse to write in it :) Jul 04 21:13:58 is the onscreen keybord the only way of data entry, any thing available like grafiti Jul 04 21:15:01 smhar, i don't think grafiti like exists yet, though i think a regular usb\bt keyborad is sufficient. Jul 04 21:16:08 what do you think about the chances for internet connectivity by hooking up a 3g usb modem (e.g. a huawei 220) to the moko? Jul 04 21:16:13 haha Jul 04 21:16:23 smhar: look at cellwriter Jul 04 21:16:36 TAsn, when I had my Palm 505, I was quicker with grafiti than the onscreen keybord. an external mini keybord is sometimes an overkill for a quick messages Jul 04 21:18:01 smhar, not sometimes, always :) Jul 04 21:18:21 luroh, i think it's a sure bet (if runs in linux) Jul 04 21:18:52 Is it possible to add a couple of keys to the onscreen keyboard? I'm missing æ ø and å for norwegian Jul 04 21:18:53 nice! yes, it does come with driver sources Jul 04 21:19:23 dual modems! Jul 04 21:19:58 no offical or non offical notice on the avilabilty of 900mhz models in webstore yet? Jul 04 21:20:25 I can not go to sleep yet although it is 12:20am Jul 04 21:20:28 but, the other distrs? Jul 04 21:21:47 bobkare, sure it is, first thing i will do when i get a fr is to port a normal keyboard :) Jul 04 21:22:05 Isn't the headset and pouch included anymore? Jul 04 21:22:32 TAsn: do you have any idea how much work it will be? Or where to start? Jul 04 21:23:32 I've got the same Q as smhar, what about 900? Jul 04 21:23:40 bobkare, not till i start, i do not know nothing about programming to the fr, though it shouldn't be that hard, on screen keyboards do exist and they will be the base for my code. Jul 04 21:23:54 mortenlysgaard, you and everyone else :) Jul 04 21:24:41 TAsn: Ah, ok. so you're going to completely replace the keyb Jul 04 21:24:52 no. Jul 04 21:25:41 im not sure what i will do yet, though the idea is combining the current one and the regular on screen keyboards that everyone have... (on the desktop computers that is) Jul 04 21:26:05 something that checks the layout, reads the keys from the xorg's maps and such. Jul 04 21:26:08 mmontour, boo re:not getting the freerunner ;-) Jul 04 21:26:13 nothing too fancy. Jul 04 21:26:36 Hm, ok. I was mainly wondering if there was an even easier way like some data file describing the keyboard that could be changed or something Jul 04 21:27:00 mmontour, i got the gta01 purely to fund the development of the next hardware + platform ;-) Jul 04 21:27:04 but it sounds like I can just wait until you get yours ;> Jul 04 21:27:11 bobkare, i really don't know. i haven't gone in to it yet, im on a test period. Jul 04 21:27:12 ;) Jul 04 21:27:25 daMaestro: i'll get one once I have reasonable confidence that the important bugs are software-only. Jul 04 21:27:33 mmontour, i might have to get the jtag board for my gta01 though Jul 04 21:27:44 bobkare, i really want to get mine, but i need somewhere to order from and a way to get it here ;) Jul 04 21:28:04 mmontour, yeah.. i'm hoping that all the bugs are just software based at this point (i should say i'm gambling on that fact) Jul 04 21:28:43 daMaestro, same here. Jul 04 21:29:00 mmontour, with the new python stack i'm planning on doing some serious hacking on this device Jul 04 21:29:00 well not everything is software, there's of course glamo Jul 04 21:29:13 daMaestro, be sure to write about it :) Jul 04 21:29:16 as i'm hoping i can use it to replace my razr (and eventually my blackberry) Jul 04 21:29:36 TAsn, oh; i'll be releasing the code Jul 04 21:29:45 release early; release often ;-) Jul 04 21:30:17 daMaestro, that's how oss should work :) Jul 04 21:30:21 well im really off now. Jul 04 21:30:22 cy.a Jul 04 21:30:41 the first project i'll be hacking on is a gui for func http://fedorahosted.org/func Jul 04 21:30:44 anyone knows if pulster.de already shipped freerunners? Jul 04 21:30:56 so i can manage services/servers via my freerunner Jul 04 21:31:42 Pjj_: yes, ome people already have theirs from pulster.de Jul 04 21:31:48 s/ome/some Jul 04 21:31:58 pulster said they'd shipped my group order today too Jul 04 21:31:59 ok ty :) Jul 04 21:32:22 haven't gotten a 2nd mail yet from em with payment instructions, guess they are busy Jul 04 21:33:04 Pjj_: it took almost a week for me to get the mail (ordered on 27th, got mail yesterday) Jul 04 21:33:41 Pjj_: i heard they sold 400 phones in 2.5 hours Jul 04 21:33:51 ordered the 27th aswell Jul 04 21:34:13 that's quite nice for them lol Jul 04 21:34:44 Pjj_: if you don't hear from them until next tuesday, give them a call Jul 04 21:35:28 Pjj_: their hotline is active from 10am till 14am on tuesday and thursdays Jul 04 21:36:00 err 2pm that would be :P Jul 04 21:36:02 do they speak anything else then german? Jul 04 21:36:27 Pjj_: yep, english, spanish and dutch if i remember well Jul 04 21:36:35 hm cool, dutch myself Jul 04 21:36:52 thx for the info DocCod :) Jul 04 21:37:18 Pjj_: you are welcome Jul 04 21:38:15 Pjj_: btw, from luxembourg myself ;) Jul 04 21:38:25 :P Jul 04 21:41:27 I can not open my eyes, I've been awake for 21 hrs already in work, and checking the webstore for the 900 model every now and then... I need to call it a night now... I just hope they will not offer the 900 models while I am asleep or it will be really sold out before I wake up tomorrow :-) Jul 04 21:42:08 quick, smhar has gone to sleep, release the 900 freerunner! Jul 04 21:42:10 any people hear order it from the webstore? Jul 04 21:42:19 *here Jul 04 21:42:28 bye for now Jul 04 21:43:15 I heard it has never been available from the webstore Jul 04 21:43:28 so it's not really sold out, more like not arrived yet Jul 04 21:58:58 "Battery life = not to be discussed just yet :) Jul 04 21:58:59 hmmm Jul 04 21:59:02 why's that? Jul 04 21:59:33 I was reading up to see if it supports HSDPA/UMTS.... it seems I am not lucky :( Jul 04 21:59:44 does that read a bit better? Jul 04 22:00:35 as yet? :p Jul 04 22:04:55 Is there any way to configure opkg not to download or check for package signatures? ~_~ Jul 04 22:07:18 UdontKnow: your best bet is probably to hook it up to an external hsdpa usb modem Jul 04 22:08:00 which is, for most purposes, somewhat clunky :] Jul 04 22:08:20 but better than nothing :) Jul 04 22:08:34 *shrug* the gprs is better than nothing already Jul 04 22:08:56 barely :> Jul 04 22:09:54 :P Jul 04 22:11:20 well let's put you on an island first without gprs and then see just how barely nicer it is when you do get gprs :þ Jul 04 22:11:41 csd ftw ;) Jul 04 22:12:12 << on a hsdpa connection Jul 04 22:12:24 a free one too Jul 04 22:12:27 << on adsl, I beat you Jul 04 22:12:39 is your adsl faster then 7.2mbps? Jul 04 22:12:41 neeners :P~ Jul 04 22:12:44 2+annex m even! Jul 04 22:12:53 yes, 12/2 :þ Jul 04 22:12:54 boo Jul 04 22:13:00 heehee Jul 04 22:14:07 well Jul 04 22:14:19 mjr: ok, let's try that, i'm game :) Jul 04 22:14:41 mjr: well, at least im connected for free :) Jul 04 22:15:04 luroh, so get on an island already Jul 04 22:15:19 right-o! Jul 04 22:15:27 luroh, send me e-mail when your first week is up and I'll send you the gprs Jul 04 22:15:44 :p Jul 04 22:15:54 how's he gonna communicate? ULF radios? Jul 04 22:16:02 (if he were underwater) Jul 04 22:16:12 cb22, indeed :] Jul 04 22:16:25 * cb22 suddenly thinks of bioshock Jul 04 22:20:04 * Dave cackles maniacally Jul 04 22:24:50 were the tango forums taken down? Jul 04 22:24:52 mjr: I'm Irish, Ireland has hsdpa and is an island :P Jul 04 22:25:07 (more than can be said for the US / Canada ) Jul 04 22:25:16 which sucks, I live in Canada :( Jul 04 22:26:14 Aww, poor doc Jul 04 22:26:19 Do you need a hug? :) Jul 04 22:29:27 Has anyone tried gpsdrive? Jul 04 22:30:21 now it shoes 167 Jul 04 22:30:31 shows Jul 04 22:30:54 going like hotcakes Jul 04 22:31:39 Dave: touch me and I keeeeell you Jul 04 22:31:52 :( Jul 04 22:32:20 * cb22 cant think of a sngle girl name starting with a d at the moment Jul 04 22:32:27 single* Jul 04 22:32:33 I can think of about 200 Jul 04 22:32:33 darlene Jul 04 22:32:35 diane Jul 04 22:32:35 lol Jul 04 22:32:38 dora Jul 04 22:32:40 delia Jul 04 22:32:45 deirdre Jul 04 22:32:47 daria :] Jul 04 22:32:49 donna Jul 04 22:32:55 done Jul 04 22:32:59 done's not a name Jul 04 22:33:00 darla Jul 04 22:33:06 deborah Jul 04 22:33:10 dammit Jul 04 22:33:10 Done listing names. Jul 04 22:33:31 #openmoko to the rescue :] Jul 04 22:33:38 the internet++! Jul 04 22:33:51 hah Jul 04 22:33:54 >_> Jul 04 22:34:01 Arr, fica.com is still down Jul 04 22:34:21 ~blame fica.com Jul 04 22:34:22 * apt blames fica.com (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Jul 04 22:34:32 * doc|work shakes fist Jul 04 22:35:01 ~fish itself Jul 04 22:35:02 * apt slaps itself around with a large trout Jul 04 22:35:09 :D Jul 04 22:35:13 SO true! Jul 04 22:35:32 ~fish Dave Jul 04 22:35:32 * apt slaps Dave around with a large trout Jul 04 22:35:36 >_> Jul 04 22:35:48 It should be a Salmon. Jul 04 22:35:52 * sol wonders... Jul 04 22:36:10 infobot 1.5.3 -- linux Jul 04 22:36:11 interesting Jul 04 22:36:21 are we getting an official "release" image for use with the gta02? or just the daily builds? Jul 04 22:36:26 would've been pretty funny if it was a heavily scripted mirc running in the background on someones pc Jul 04 22:37:00 $8.17 dollars shipping Jul 04 22:37:07 yay Jul 04 22:37:33 4-17-08 Jul 04 22:37:38 y i think Jul 04 22:38:05 so, someone bailed on my group yesterday so I contacted a person on the group list then, he mailed me back and rang me in the evening, said he'd ring again in an hour, he had to sort out something with his business partner for how to pick up the device as he was leaving the country on tues. He never rang back. I just emailed him again. How long should I hold his place before I ditch him and move to the next on list? what's fair? Jul 04 22:38:33 no money has changed hands, just time wasted Jul 04 22:38:35 ziltch Jul 04 22:38:39 doc|home: day? Jul 04 22:39:02 mang u better hurry Jul 04 22:39:45 well, I'm waiting for the money to get onto the credit card :/ Jul 04 22:39:54 but not ordering until I have money anyway Jul 04 22:39:55 doc|home: eh? Jul 04 22:40:19 where'd I lose you? Jul 04 22:40:54 because it seems like there's only about 100 something left just ditch him :/ Jul 04 22:41:01 it'd be tough for him to complain at this point Jul 04 22:41:03 167 Jul 04 22:41:07 y Jul 04 22:41:14 kelvie_: I can't yet, the money isn't on the credit card :/ Jul 04 22:41:18 ah Jul 04 22:41:35 but I'm not placing an order until I have that tenth person Jul 04 22:41:44 i could be wrong Jul 04 22:43:11 since openmoko has a powered hub, I bet i can plugin a small cam into it Jul 04 22:43:39 you mean freerunner, and you probably can, just recall it's gotta work on usb 1.1 Jul 04 22:44:03 mjr: yeah Jul 04 22:44:11 hi, i've tried RTFMing but don't see a clear answer anywhere. i'm Jul 04 22:44:11 wondering if the openmoko handset can send raw (potentially invalid) Jul 04 22:44:11 SMS PDUs. for example, other handsets will reject a PDU input via AT Jul 04 22:44:11 commands if certain header values (such as message length) are invalid, Jul 04 22:44:11 is there a way on an openmoko handset to not have the phone OS do any Jul 04 22:44:12 somethign liek that Jul 04 22:44:13 http://www.mittoni.com.au/usb-mini-pc-camera-web-cam-p-1562.html Jul 04 22:44:15 error checking and instead just push out a raw SMS PDU? Jul 04 22:44:19 except without such a long tail Jul 04 22:44:47 argh, sorry that pasted with line breaks. any answers/info would be much appreciated. Jul 04 22:45:40 goodwill: I've been thinking about connecting my DSLR and using gphoto2 too control it, like tethered shooting Jul 04 22:46:40 bobkare: oh yeah Jul 04 22:46:48 :) Jul 04 22:46:52 zane__: the phone's os wont block it, but the gsm modem might Jul 04 22:47:44 hi Jul 04 22:47:47 cb22: hm, ok. do you know if it's possible to set a mode on the GSM modem to disable error checking like that? Jul 04 22:48:02 ideally I want to be able to hand the modem a raw PDU and have it push it out to the network Jul 04 22:48:40 zane__: not sure. the specs for the gsm moem have been leaked however, you can check those out Jul 04 22:48:41 im doing some hideous hacks on other handsets to try that, if the openmoko can just do it natively im buying one right now Jul 04 22:48:48 modem* Jul 04 22:48:52 I need to create a new theme :) Jul 04 22:49:34 Dave: I am planning to write a python script that goes thru the svg files and changes the orange to something else Jul 04 22:49:43 Dave: that orange is no good Jul 04 22:50:16 :D Jul 04 22:50:18 ooh la la Jul 04 22:50:28 I must change that horrid boot splash screen Jul 04 22:50:36 and get rid of that obnoxious startup sound Jul 04 22:51:02 Scaredycat images have a nice startup sound :] Jul 04 22:51:39 a cat getting skinned alive? Jul 04 22:52:00 cb22: how cruel Jul 04 22:52:35 goodwill: blame ScaredyCat Jul 04 22:54:34 :[ Jul 04 22:54:49 Where is that image located anyway? Jul 04 22:55:17 hi, I have been following the host based development wiki page and hit a problem on compiling matchbox-panel-2 can anyone help the error is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/25093/ Jul 04 22:55:38 On an unrelated matter, the date is displayed as UTC, is there any way to change it or even when using ntp, display main date associated with a set TZ? Jul 04 22:56:57 Dave: Yes, I found a howto by googling for something like openmoko timezone, it was just installing a package and setting up a symlink Jul 04 22:58:15 okay :) Jul 04 22:59:10 and what was the freerunner wifi quick 'n dirty page again? Jul 04 23:00:46 goodwill? Jul 04 23:07:20 Dave: search the wiki for supplicant Jul 04 23:09:37 yeah, I recalled that much, thanks Jul 04 23:09:55 incidentally I figured it out already :) Jul 04 23:12:53 I forgot how unintuitive the scrollbars in the obrowser2 are. Jul 04 23:13:59 Clearly, they should be scroll-nipples. Jul 04 23:14:11 The only intuitive scroll technology. Jul 04 23:16:03 I kinda like crackberry's scroll testicle Jul 04 23:16:35 not sure how good it is in the long term, potentially getting clogged up with dirt and stuff Jul 04 23:17:12 anyone an idea how to read out tx-power from calypso? Tried with AT%EM2,1 but result is weird and doesn't seem to yield TX_PWR (thought txlev could be it :-/ ) Jul 04 23:17:41 jOERG_rw: don't you have the specs? Jul 04 23:18:15 cb22: sure I have. However they don't help :-( Jul 04 23:19:06 How are you supposed to input text in the browser? Jul 04 23:19:06 meh, no 1-800-ticalypso number either i presume Jul 04 23:19:20 Dave: you cast a level 7 text entry Jul 04 23:19:26 Oh man, I wish! Jul 04 23:19:28 cb22: I'm looking for actual TX-POWER attenuation. Anyway all I found was "txlev" and that's weird Jul 04 23:19:29 OH MAN Jul 04 23:19:44 * Dave gets to work on a text-based d&d over gprs application Jul 04 23:20:19 jOERG_rw: say, would it be trivial to find out how much current the phone is drawing from the battery by using the built in columb counter? Jul 04 23:20:34 or am i speaking out my ass Jul 04 23:20:36 cbrake_away: in principle, yes Jul 04 23:20:38 cb2: Jul 04 23:20:49 cb22: trivial, but sloooooow and not quite accurate Jul 04 23:20:58 SpeedEvil: your nick comletion hates me, doesn't it Jul 04 23:21:02 Joerg, please solve all my power woes :( Jul 04 23:21:14 cb, it hates everyone! Jul 04 23:21:14 cb22: sorry :) Jul 04 23:21:21 hmm, have you seen nokia energy profiler for s60? Jul 04 23:21:28 It's apparently one of the most unintuitive tabcompletes I've seen in a while :P Jul 04 23:21:29 is someone around using mac osx with the neo? Jul 04 23:22:11 jOERG_rw: boo :( any better ways that dont require hooking up a mutimeter? Jul 04 23:22:37 i just got a new mac with a current osx but the usb-gadget ether is noch detected as described in the wiki - even installing the patch did not work :/ Jul 04 23:22:48 * jOERG_rw doesn't like sarcasm Jul 04 23:23:25 jOERG_rw: ? Jul 04 23:24:26 cb22: I had to place that multimeter inside my microwave, and read it thru the window :-S. Then I still got no log, and no decent proof of TX-POWER setting Jul 04 23:25:24 cb22: did some tests with shielding the FR to simulate poor GSM-coverage / signal Jul 04 23:25:32 http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg Jul 04 23:25:48 ah Jul 04 23:25:55 emdete: that wiki page is probably pre-Leopard. USB ethernet was mostly working for me on 10.3 (except I got a random hw address each time I plugged it in) Jul 04 23:26:00 Microwaves use quarter-wave seals. Jul 04 23:26:01 cb22: to investigate on mic_noise issue Jul 04 23:26:20 These are good at 2.4GHz - but will not work well at 900/1800/1900/850 Jul 04 23:26:42 SpeedEvil: err 1800 / 2450 ????? that's what you think? Jul 04 23:27:33 thaks for the info. now the very poor -35dB my uwave yielded make much more sense Jul 04 23:27:41 It was realised sometime in the 70s that if you make the edge of the door of the microwave just the right dimensions, then it doesn't have to seal accurately. Jul 04 23:27:54 and here i'm being simple and thinking that if a grid is smaller then a frequencies wavelength it 'appears' solid Jul 04 23:28:21 cb22: that's true - if and only if the shield is well attached at the edge. Jul 04 23:28:26 gna, that's a widespread missbelief Jul 04 23:28:38 ah, intresting Jul 04 23:28:44 cb22: with a microwave oven, that's only true at 2.4GHz, due to crazy RF effects. Jul 04 23:29:16 2.4 Gigawatts?!?!?! Jul 04 23:29:17 everything >some 100MHz really gets weird Jul 04 23:29:20 * cb22 ponders the effects of hooking up a 100w 2.4ghz amp to a 24dbi grid Jul 04 23:29:33 tunys: gigahertz Jul 04 23:29:42 :D Jul 04 23:30:04 clearly you haven't seen Back to the Future? Jul 04 23:30:10 i have Jul 04 23:30:10 freedom freedom freedom oi Jul 04 23:30:16 and it jigawatts ;) Jul 04 23:30:26 1.21JW? Jul 04 23:30:28 that's how they pronounced gigawatts back then Jul 04 23:30:29 mmontour: i'm not at my mac now and dont' know the os version. it's quit new and with the original i got a dialup device when i plugged in the neo as described in the wiki... after installing the patch nothing at all happens Jul 04 23:32:08 mmontour: do you have any idea where i could look for more about this? Jul 04 23:33:04 emdete: there was an "AJZaurusUSB" driver that could be used instead of the built-in mac one. You might search for that, otherwise I can't suggest anything else at the moment Jul 04 23:33:51 is there anyone that live in milan or near paris here? i need to find a miniA(male)->A(Female) before buying an openmoko(in order to use the usb host feature...) Jul 04 23:33:57 oops hello Jul 04 23:34:33 SpeedEvil: anyway, the result was -98dB GSM signal nside the oven, and my old nokia 6210 shows quite some EMI feedback then (never seen before) Jul 04 23:34:56 SpeedEvil: both FR yielded perfect sound, no EMI ! Jul 04 23:35:35 mmontour: thanks alot.. Jul 04 23:36:26 jOERG_rw: so we have a solution! use the freerunner in a microwave :) Jul 04 23:36:39 cb22: XD Jul 04 23:37:42 surely this should be a 3rd party thing, can't have openmoko go into the microwave manufacturing business any more than stylus sales Jul 04 23:38:37 jOERG_rw: :) Jul 04 23:38:54 bye guys, get me a beer to make my ideas fly Jul 04 23:39:06 Wve. Jul 04 23:39:41 * cb22 gives jOERG_rw a six pack Jul 04 23:39:55 ~beer jOERG_rw Jul 04 23:39:56 * apt pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for jOERG_rw Jul 04 23:40:19 apt: thanks for beer Jul 04 23:40:19 jOERG_rw: sure thing Jul 04 23:44:42 is anyone else having issues with the OpenMoko store? Jul 04 23:44:45 "Gateway Error Jul 04 23:44:45 Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink Server setting. Jul 04 23:44:47 " Jul 04 23:45:02 yay, now I've just preordered my phone! :D Jul 04 23:45:14 ezekiel-v3: maybe they're putting up GTA04. Jul 04 23:45:21 Preordered? Jul 04 23:45:24 ezekiel-v3: all this talk of GTA03 was just a ruse. Jul 04 23:46:13 SpeedEvil: I didn't hear any talk of GTA03... GTA03 = iPhone2? haha Jul 04 23:46:33 It's probably just being flaky Jul 04 23:46:38 try agin in a bit Jul 04 23:48:46 was there ever talk of making an attempt at Quad Band? Jul 04 23:48:50 Yes. Jul 04 23:49:13 No truly open chipsets? Jul 04 23:49:18 Early revisions of GTA02 - or at least the design - were out by the time the problem was found. Jul 04 23:49:34 So it would have added some design risk, and a bit of cost. Jul 04 23:49:49 what problem? Jul 04 23:49:51 (to make it quadband) Jul 04 23:50:18 That GTA01 was really triband Jul 04 23:51:28 * cb22 hopes GTA04 is really cool Jul 04 23:51:54 now that everyone is getting their freerunners, hopefully sofware dev pace will pick up Jul 04 23:51:55 * doc|work too Jul 04 23:52:25 will we see anything of gta04 any time soon? Jul 04 23:53:08 doc|home: reportedly nolt. Jul 04 23:53:14 doc|home: 03 is concentrated on Jul 04 23:53:50 :/ Jul 04 23:54:12 GTA03 wll have quadband & EDGE Jul 04 23:54:18 Woo! Jul 04 23:54:20 it will?! Jul 04 23:54:21 problem is as much as we want to help om, e cant buy ll the phones they make :/ Jul 04 23:54:26 probably Jul 04 23:54:34 we* all* Jul 04 23:54:36 jOERG_rw: Any reports on the case/LCD? Jul 04 23:54:38 damn! actually, makes no difference, given that canada has such sucky data rates Jul 04 23:54:50 nope Jul 04 23:55:06 Who is deciding the hardware design/ Jul 04 23:55:06 jOERG_rw: any eta? Jul 04 23:55:10 * cb22 figures that people who bought gt01 will probably buy gta03, while those buying gta02 now will wait for gta04 Jul 04 23:55:16 nope Jul 04 23:55:53 * cb22 waterboards jOERG_rw Jul 04 23:55:58 talk damnit, tlk! Jul 04 23:55:59 SpeedEvil: depends. housing is another dept than EE. I'm invlved in EE Jul 04 23:56:02 :) Jul 04 23:56:34 It'd be nice if the design was less.... fugly :) Jul 04 23:57:02 cb22: ut I really don't now. BELIEVE ME! nothing! Jul 04 23:57:38 * doc|work takes out the face basket containing rats Jul 04 23:58:40 jOERG_rw: LCD res? raster said he favoured smaller. Jul 05 00:00:28 I hope it's not smaller, I'm reading pt4 or so sized fonts on the bus on my n800, would like to be able to do the same on phone Jul 05 00:00:36 e-books++ Jul 05 00:00:46 small fonts++ Jul 05 00:00:49 Raster was intimating a larger, but lower res screen. Jul 05 00:01:01 I don't know if that was merely his wish, or ... Jul 05 00:01:28 * doc|work goes all the way and finds a 14inch crt Jul 05 00:01:48 boo for low res. i say give it 1920x1080 in 3.5 inches Jul 05 00:02:02 eleventybillion dpi Jul 05 00:02:07 home time :) Jul 05 00:07:10 .oO(MrButtle, may you please come into my office) Jul 05 00:08:12 More seriously. Jul 05 00:08:19 I don't think 285dpi is needed. Jul 05 00:08:23 200dpi - yes. Jul 05 00:08:58 heehee Jul 05 00:09:03 100dpi just isn't quite enough to cut it on a small screen device, but 285 is too high - you don't get any significant benefit IME over 200 Jul 05 00:09:03 yeah, the 200dpi screen of the n810 is plenty... Jul 05 00:09:06 Hello roh :) Jul 05 00:09:37 and Mek :] Jul 05 00:09:47 roh: you dont want to take my money :( Jul 05 00:09:48 A 4" 640*480'd be nice Jul 05 00:10:02 SpeedEvil: isnt that a little big? Jul 05 00:10:09 cbrake_away: meh Jul 05 00:10:22 cb22: I want a big screen - to the edges of the device. Jul 05 00:10:43 depends on the aspect i suppose Jul 05 00:11:24 a screen covering the entire device would be rather awesome Jul 05 00:11:31 We need a messaging client for fr :P Jul 05 00:11:41 and i mean the entire front, maybe like a 1mm border Jul 05 00:12:12 cbrake_away: well - what I'd really like would be a 50/50 keypad/colour screen on the front, and e-ink on the back over the whole back. Jul 05 00:12:14 cb22 hm? Jul 05 00:12:44 cb22 ran against hitrust error 500? Jul 05 00:13:01 thats your bank blocking the transfer propably Jul 05 00:13:15 Don't suppose anyone can comment on production runs and quantities? Jul 05 00:13:43 roh: yep, 4 different banks blocked it :/ Jul 05 00:13:48 :| Jul 05 00:13:55 i need to call them Jul 05 00:14:24 roh: i hear things about fic america also selling the freerunner? Jul 05 00:15:30 cb22 they are the hub we're using Jul 05 00:15:47 ah, so it's not like another distributor Jul 05 00:16:38 Pointless graph of reported stock in shop: http://www.mauve.plus.com/Freerunner.gif Jul 05 00:17:01 got anything that will work without graphics? Jul 05 00:17:04 no X here Jul 05 00:17:21 What kinda 3D stuff can the Freerunner achieve? Jul 05 00:18:10 cb22: dropping fairly linearly from 400 at 6PM on the 3rd (GMT) to 160 now Jul 05 00:18:22 Infinyte1: limited Jul 05 00:18:30 Infinyte1: basically it's unimplemented. Jul 05 00:18:36 Well I mean Jul 05 00:18:41 Hardware-wise Jul 05 00:18:53 Infinyte1: the 3D accel turned out to be not really working very well. It's designed for QVGA. Jul 05 00:19:02 512^^2 is the max tex. size Jul 05 00:19:10 Ah o_O Jul 05 00:19:21 so all 3d you do has to be less then that, which rules out vga Jul 05 00:19:52 SpeedEvil: and according to your calculations, when do you think it will go out of stock? Jul 05 00:20:03 cbrake_away: who knows. However. Jul 05 00:20:25 however? Jul 05 00:20:37 cb22: if you go linearly - 17 hours or so from now. Jul 05 00:20:52 eish Jul 05 00:21:02 must order one :/ Jul 05 00:21:08 you getting one SpeedEvil ? Jul 05 00:21:21 cb22: Taking the steepest part - 11 - and the shallowest part - maybe 24 Jul 05 00:21:40 cb22: I have at the moment absolutely no spare cash. I had to buy stuff for roof repairs. Jul 05 00:22:10 ouch :/ Jul 05 00:22:40 openmoko: 03roh * r4507 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: - add comic reader to repository Jul 05 00:22:57 cb22: of course, there could be 5000 sitting next to the shop waiting to get checked in. Jul 05 00:23:23 SpeedEvil: that would be ideal :) Jul 05 00:23:38 roh: do you have any more info on what steve said about picking up from the factory? Jul 05 00:23:56 heehee Jul 05 00:25:45 tty: not NiFe. Jul 05 00:25:47 oops Jul 05 00:26:59 Err, so the graphics accelerator in it doesn't work at all? o_O Jul 05 00:27:54 Infinyte1: it works - sort-of. Jul 05 00:28:08 Infinyte1: but the way it works barely compensates for its defects. Jul 05 00:28:13 theres 2d accel, like xv and the like Jul 05 00:28:36 Ah, well we ever gonna see some homebrew games and such on it? Jul 05 00:28:59 Or like, emulators for older consoles perhaps? Assuming you own the console, of course. >_> Jul 05 00:29:14 You can. Jul 05 00:29:29 Infinyte1: broadly - QVGA resolution isn't a problem - you can do most anything. Jul 05 00:29:42 Infinyte1: as long as you're happy with 20fps or so refresh rates. Jul 05 00:29:55 Infinyte1: VGA is horribly limited. Jul 05 00:30:58 Interesting. All just curiosity anyways, I'm still gonna be getting one. When I can get the card to validate. :| Jul 05 00:31:18 Oh, one thing though. How long till Pidgin or somesuch equivalent gets working on it? Jul 05 00:31:28 The glamo 2d/3d accel is connected over a 7 megabytes/second bus. This is shared with the SD, and does not support DMA. So if you are writing 3M/second to the display, you lose 40% of the CPU. If you are reading .5M/s from the SD, you lose another 10% Jul 05 00:31:36 pidgin works now. Jul 05 00:31:44 I've had it running displaying on the neo. Jul 05 00:31:46 Ooo, seriously? Jul 05 00:31:49 Nice. Jul 05 00:31:57 Any VoiP stuff yet? Jul 05 00:32:02 Though not running on the neo - I haven't got a working build tree ATM. Jul 05 00:32:11 VoIP over wifi only. (and no client) Jul 05 00:32:29 Ah. Jul 05 00:32:38 GPRS is way too slow for most VOIP - 2s delays. Jul 05 00:32:59 ptt maybe Jul 05 00:33:20 yeah Jul 05 00:36:20 Hm, is there a projection issue or something with tangoGPS? It consistently shows me being at http://openstreetmap.org/?mlat=59.94431&mlon=10.94357&zoom=16&layers=B00FTF when I'm actually up near Lundåsveien Jul 05 00:40:26 bobkare: go somewhere, and check if there is a static offset Jul 05 00:41:17 it seems like it is (though I've not travelled far) Jul 05 00:41:40 u sure u not been drinking? Jul 05 00:41:55 bobkare: try getting raw position data from somewhere Jul 05 00:42:12 or, some other mapping program Jul 05 00:42:23 yeah, trying to find the script to convert the logfile to something sensible now Jul 05 00:45:54 zash: It logs the same data it displays. I'll go collect some raw nmea then Jul 05 00:47:39 Uh, how can I start something that dumps from /dev/ttySAC1 to a file in the OM terminal? The keyboard has neither > nor = Jul 05 00:47:47 (afaics) Jul 05 00:53:43 nm, I just started it nohupped from an ssh session before going outside Jul 05 00:56:53 zash: dumping nmea gives me just about a correct position (typical gps performance) Jul 05 01:27:34 SpeedEvil: where were you seeing the availability? Jul 05 01:27:37 (of stock) Jul 05 01:27:41 * tunys has quit ("No real reason") Jul 05 01:27:46 Qwell: he's using 1337 haxxors Jul 05 01:28:02 IIRC, he enters like 1000 to buy, and then it says there are only x left Jul 05 01:28:23 seriously? Jul 05 01:28:51 ahh, guess so Jul 05 01:29:26 argh, it'd be so nice if to have a rotate ability Jul 05 01:29:40 so, 157 Jul 05 01:32:44 cb22 picking up at the factory? in china? Jul 05 01:33:05 roh: in Fremont, but michaels email answered my question Jul 05 01:33:16 dunno anything about that. heard something about picking ones up in fremont, but thats something michael or steve would know Jul 05 01:33:20 haha Jul 05 01:33:26 it's a bit of a drive, don't you think? :P Jul 05 01:33:30 (and a boat ride) Jul 05 01:34:15 not from mountain view Jul 05 01:34:32 to china? Jul 05 01:34:39 to fremont Jul 05 01:34:56 oh snaps, you're in mv? :D Jul 05 01:35:04 not quite Jul 05 01:35:18 oh, well, stop by in PA sometime if you want to do lunch :D Jul 05 01:35:23 actully, i'm going to be staying in sunnydale Jul 05 01:35:36 visiting google's hq :D Jul 05 01:35:44 hahaha Jul 05 01:35:47 sunnyvale ftl Jul 05 01:36:04 damn this eee keyboard Jul 05 01:36:05 though yeah visit teh goog Jul 05 01:36:08 hahaha hot Jul 05 01:36:17 I was thinking of buying one Jul 05 01:36:24 the *new* one... Jul 05 01:36:38 actually they are paying for me :p << a grand prize winner from ghop Jul 05 01:36:41 afternoonish Jul 05 01:37:00 heh Jul 05 01:37:09 interestingly enough, we're having a talk on android Jul 05 01:37:14 :P Jul 05 01:37:24 so i want to have a freerunner there Jul 05 01:37:24 coincidental? I think not! *shifty-eyed look* Jul 05 01:37:25 mmm, Android Jul 05 01:37:43 Dave: you said you had a few freerunners, any chance of selling one? Jul 05 01:38:01 No, sorry. Jul 05 01:38:17 Perhaps one, eventually (after I'm done with it) Jul 05 01:38:38 aw, ok. i need to figure out a way to get one. i'm there from the 9th -> 13th, and an worried that i might miss it Jul 05 01:38:52 Oh! Jul 05 01:38:55 I see. Jul 05 01:40:24 and shipping to south africa is $140, so i'm not planning on getting it that way Jul 05 01:40:52 o_o Jul 05 01:41:09 I wish the store took paypal Jul 05 01:41:13 not to mention $50 of tax, and the fact that it'll probably be stolen by customs Jul 05 01:41:29 yeah, gg Jul 05 01:41:35 so, fuck that :) Jul 05 01:41:51 the best would be if steve could organize something at fremont Jul 05 01:42:02 Perhaps Jul 05 01:42:13 perhaps? Jul 05 01:42:40 I don't know, talk to Steve! Jul 05 01:43:03 perhaps create a little incentive, I don't know :P Jul 05 01:43:29 yeah, there was a recent email on the ml about it. amazingly enough my mentor from the project i did work for also wants to get one Jul 05 01:43:43 heh :P Jul 05 01:43:46 I'm sure MANY do Jul 05 01:44:01 out of the 30 people, we are the only 2 :( Jul 05 01:44:12 lame Jul 05 01:46:25 haha, man I wish the phone had a better browser Jul 05 01:46:32 or at least lynx Jul 05 01:47:10 compile it then Jul 05 01:47:14 elinks ftw Jul 05 01:47:20 pfft Jul 05 01:47:28 modernization my ass :p Jul 05 01:52:43 meanwhile, there is no way of entering text into browser fields -_-; Jul 05 02:01:59 does anyone know when a freerunner bought last night will be shipped? Jul 05 02:02:14 from the webstore Jul 05 02:27:59 I am trying to get the austo emulation for MokoMakeFile running in Ubuntu Hardy and when I try to get the MokoMakeFile from http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile I get error message ... no route to host. Can someone give me the correct address ? Jul 05 02:28:40 GirlRiver: yes, my site is down at the moment. The MokoMakefile wiki page has an alternate location which will work Jul 05 02:29:15 http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile Jul 05 02:34:22 rwhitby: thank you ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 05 02:59:57 2008