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Jul 19 03:01:14 <nullpuppy> cjb: do you know what the dir structure means for the osm maps?
Jul 19 03:05:42 <SpeedEvil> It's split by level of zoom I think
Jul 19 03:07:12 <SpeedEvil> n/nn*/ww*
Jul 19 03:07:16 <SpeedEvil> z/nn*/ww*
Jul 19 03:07:34 <SpeedEvil> where z is zoom, n is northwards tile coordinate, w is westwards tile coordinate
Jul 19 03:07:42 <nullpuppy> ah, alright.
Jul 19 03:07:43 <SpeedEvil> z/nn*/ww*.png
Jul 19 03:07:48 <nullpuppy> thanks
Jul 19 03:07:52 * nullpuppy heads out for a bit
Jul 19 03:08:14 <SpeedEvil> I think it's west, north actually
Jul 19 03:11:04 <kd8ikt> u mean NW?
Jul 19 03:11:30 <SpeedEvil> NW?
Jul 19 03:11:43 <kd8ikt> NorthWest
Jul 19 03:11:51 <SpeedEvil> No
Jul 19 03:12:03 <SpeedEvil> I mean the layout of the files tangogps downloads.
Jul 19 03:13:13 <kd8ikt> cool hey if you look at cinci ohio you'll find me 
Jul 19 03:13:26 <kd8ikt> one of a handful in USA
Jul 19 03:14:08 <kd8ikt> so i should be easy to locate
Jul 19 03:14:53 * cjb is cjbprime, in Boston MA.
Jul 19 03:15:44 <kd8ikt> unless everyone marks there's as private...
Jul 19 03:15:53 <kd8ikt> their's
Jul 19 03:15:54 <cjb> nope
Jul 19 03:16:19 <cjb> my address is on my website, and I blog about the company I work for, so I'm not giving up much :)
Jul 19 03:16:57 <kd8ikt> i was just about to go for a wardrive with gps here in a moment
Jul 19 03:17:10 <linuxxr> cool keyboard interface
Jul 19 03:22:31 <peepsalot> i get "signature check failed" for all 4 files when I try to opkg update
Jul 19 03:25:23 <peepsalot> nvm , i guess this is a known issue.  looks like it still did the update though
Jul 19 03:25:42 <pjz> my opkg update is failing because if I do it over ssh, it upgrades dropbear and my connection goes poof, and if I upgrade from the console it upgrades the graphics server and my upgrade goes poof.  In both cases it never manages to write out the upgrade status file so it doesn't remember that it's already done the upgrade
Jul 19 03:26:29 <mmontour> nohup opkg upgrade &
Jul 19 03:26:38 <pjz> so I'm do an opkg -noaction upgrade and then harvesting package names and going to run them through a loop to upgrade them one by one
Jul 19 03:26:47 <pjz> mmontour: oh, that would be smarter :)
Jul 19 03:27:44 <peepsalot> oops, i guess i'll have to upgrade again after this round
Jul 19 03:30:44 <kd8ikt> hm
Jul 19 03:35:46 <Infinyt1> Erm..
Jul 19 03:36:09 <bbb8> ...
Jul 19 03:36:11 <Infinyt1> Can anyone tell me what the phone is supposed to do after a opkg upgrade ?
Jul 19 03:36:32 <pjz> be up to date?
Jul 19 03:36:39 <Infinyt1> Well I mean
Jul 19 03:37:44 <Infinyt1> What happens after all the stuff is done downloading and configuring? Cause mine goes to a completely black fullscreen terminal and it starts scrolling down with the same/nearly the same text.
Jul 19 03:38:00 <Infinyt1> Is that normal? o_O
Jul 19 03:38:06 <pjz> dunno, mine's not done yet :)
Jul 19 03:38:07 <linuxxr> well tell me how to make a "/"
Jul 19 03:38:18 <pjz> linuxxr: install the matchbox keyboard
Jul 19 03:38:25 <linuxxr> oo
Jul 19 03:38:40 <Infinyt1> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner
Jul 19 03:38:43 <linuxxr> they leftout a symbol?
Jul 19 03:38:47 <Infinyt1> It's awesome.
Jul 19 03:38:53 <Infinyt1> And uhh, yeah. As far as I can tell.
Jul 19 03:39:04 <Infinyt1> >_> Kinda odd if you ask me, but whatever floats their bubblez.
Jul 19 03:40:27 <pjz> is there a way to do multiboot off a microSD card? like put multiple distros on the card and coose at boot time which to use?
Jul 19 03:40:51 <mmontour> pjz: yes, just have multiple u-boot menu entries with different partition numbers in each one.
Jul 19 03:40:54 <linuxxr> i dont have wirless working yet or anything for that matter
Jul 19 03:41:26 <pjz> mmontour: ahh, okay. I think I grok.
Jul 19 03:41:34 <Infinyt1> Does your wireless use SSID?
Jul 19 03:41:49 <pjz> I think all wireless uses SSID :)
Jul 19 03:41:53 <linuxxr> me check
Jul 19 03:41:57 <Infinyt1> Prolly. >_>
Jul 19 03:42:15 <peepsalot> mmontour, how do you deal with an interactive prompt if you do "nohup opkg &"
Jul 19 03:42:21 <mmontour> but SD-boot in general is somewhat broken at the moment. I recommend waiting a while before trying it.
Jul 19 03:42:24 <Infinyt1> Just put iwconfig eth0 essid YourSSIDHere
Jul 19 03:42:24 <Infinyt1> Then put udhcpc eth0
Jul 19 03:42:32 <Infinyt1> And you should be connected to Wifi
Jul 19 03:42:41 <peepsalot> mmontour, it stopped to ask if i really wanna replace some existing file
Jul 19 03:42:51 <linuxxr> in the terminal
Jul 19 03:42:56 <Infinyt1> Yeah
Jul 19 03:43:00 <mmontour> you can try "fg" to re-attach to the background process, then type your answer
Jul 19 03:43:00 <linuxxr> ok
Jul 19 03:43:28 <Infinyt1> Arr, my phone seems to be in a loop or something
Jul 19 03:44:07 <mmontour> or you may have to kill opkg and then re-run it normally for the package in question. 
Jul 19 03:44:40 <Infinyt1> Anyone here succeded in doing an opkg upgrade?
Jul 19 03:45:24 <peepsalot> mmontour, doesn't seem to work
Jul 19 03:46:16 <mmontour> You won't see any output to the terminal - that will still be re-directed to nohup.out. 
Jul 19 03:46:34 <peepsalot> right, but i checked nohup.out and no updates are showing
Jul 19 03:47:13 <peepsalot> how do i exit fg?
Jul 19 03:47:28 <mmontour> OK, then you'll probably have to kill opkg and try it again. Maybe just do "nohup opkg install dropbear &" to update that package, then do the rest of the upgrade
Jul 19 03:47:34 <mmontour> ctrl-Z, then "bg"
Jul 19 03:48:11 <ieatlint> why not just use screen?
Jul 19 03:49:06 <mmontour> that would probably work. The 'nohup' method worked for someone else a day or two ago, but I guess his upgrade didn't require any user interaction
Jul 19 03:50:06 <cjb> yeah, I saw a positive report with using screen.
Jul 19 03:51:33 <ieatlint> you could also just do it in a terminal on the phone... it's not that much typing for just one thing
Jul 19 03:52:01 <Infinyt1> Is opkg upgrade broken? >_>
Jul 19 03:52:16 <ieatlint> no
Jul 19 03:52:22 <ieatlint> the issue is that dropbear provides your ssh session
Jul 19 03:52:35 <ieatlint> so if you upgrade it, it turns off... and doesn't handle it elegantly
Jul 19 03:52:40 <mmontour> I think one of the other updates kills the X server
Jul 19 03:53:16 <Infinyt1> Well I followed the instruction for that. But uhh, I think I got dropped out of the X server because all I see is a black background and the same two lines of text kep cycling.
Jul 19 03:53:18 <Infinyt1> *keep
Jul 19 03:53:32 <Infinyt1> And it won't turn off or anything.
Jul 19 03:54:59 <Infinyt1> There a reset button somewhere? Haha.
Jul 19 03:55:13 <pjz> what I ended up donig
Jul 19 03:55:29 <pjz> was using the terminal to do 'opkg upgrade dropbear'
Jul 19 03:55:53 <pjz> and then ssh'ing in and 'nohup opkg upgrade &'
Jul 19 03:56:33 <linuxxr> return code 1 wat is it
Jul 19 03:57:04 <linuxxr> maybe my dlinl firewall?
Jul 19 03:59:06 <pjz> anyone know how/if its possible to rescan your SIM to try and get it to find more contacts? I donly found like 20% of the contacts on my SIM
Jul 19 03:59:46 <ieatlint> it picks the ones it thinks are important... trust in it
Jul 19 03:59:47 <Infinyt1> Contacts are kept on the SIM?
Jul 19 03:59:55 <Infinyt1> Rofl
Jul 19 04:00:26 <ieatlint> mine for instance doesn't include my ex in the numbers it chooses to display
Jul 19 04:00:29 <ieatlint> a wise phone
Jul 19 04:00:30 <pjz> Infinyt1: most phones at least have the option to keep some contacts on the SIM
Jul 19 04:00:40 <pjz> ieatlint: mine doesn't include my wife... bad move
Jul 19 04:00:45 <ieatlint> lol
Jul 19 04:00:47 <Infinyt1> Ah I see. Sorry, never had a GSM phone before.
Jul 19 04:00:50 <ieatlint> yeah, ok, i won't go there
Jul 19 04:01:10 <ieatlint> Infinyt1: yeah, sim cards can hold some 200+ phone numbers
Jul 19 04:01:23 <ieatlint> 1 phone number, and something like a 32 char string of text for it
Jul 19 04:01:25 <Infinyt1> Nice, I'll prolly never have more than 5. But still
Jul 19 04:01:50 <kd8ikt> hey ugh anyone know how to map the *.gps data i got from kismet?
Jul 19 04:02:05 <ieatlint> kd8ikt: is it a csv file?
Jul 19 04:02:32 <kd8ikt> Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.cisco  Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.dump  Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.network
Jul 19 04:02:34 <linuxxee> i changed the challel to another an it hooked up
Jul 19 04:02:35 <ieatlint> Infinyt1: it's hugely convenient when you change phones and it keeps the contacts with it... the sim can also store ~30 SMSs
Jul 19 04:02:35 <kd8ikt> Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.csv    Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.gps   Kismet-Jul-18-2008-1.xml
Jul 19 04:03:20 <Infinyt1> Oh that reminds me. Is there any point to getting a plan on your SIM that includes free texting if you get a plan with free unlimited web?
Jul 19 04:03:45 <Infinyt1> Cause like, can't you just go to an SMS site on your Freerunner and use it to send and receive some?
Jul 19 04:03:45 <pjz> Infinyt1: depends on if you use texting
Jul 19 04:03:48 <Infinyt1> o_O
Jul 19 04:03:55 <kd8ikt> mapping?
Jul 19 04:04:00 <linuxxee> cd /tmp
Jul 19 04:04:01 <linuxxee> wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/keyboard-ipk.tar.bz2
Jul 19 04:04:01 <linuxxee> tar xvjf keyboard-ipk.tar.bz2
Jul 19 04:04:04 <pjz> Infinyt1: most providers charge to receive SMS these days too
Jul 19 04:04:17 <kd8ikt> yikes
Jul 19 04:04:17 <Infinyt1> I do, but I'm tryin' to find a workaround. Hehehe
Jul 19 04:04:17 <pjz> linuxxee: wrong window
Jul 19 04:04:24 <linuxxee> how to do that without the "/"
Jul 19 04:04:27 <ieatlint> kd8ikt: try "file blah.gps"
Jul 19 04:04:43 <linuxxee> lol
Jul 19 04:04:45 <pjz> linuxxee:  via ssh from a computer with a real keyboard :)
Jul 19 04:04:47 <linuxxee> yay
Jul 19 04:04:52 <linuxxee> ok
Jul 19 04:05:01 <linuxxee> thanks
Jul 19 04:05:07 <linuxxee> im a nooooob
Jul 19 04:05:44 <Infinyt1> I'll have to ask if they have free incoming text, I know a lot of providers around here do.. Ah well, we'll see. Can't get a plan for a few weeks anyways, no money. xD
Jul 19 04:05:48 <kd8ikt> ieatlint: XML
Jul 19 04:06:20 <pjz> mmontour: got a pointer to how to add extra uboot entries?
Jul 19 04:06:20 <ieatlint> kd8ikt: ok, so import it into mapping software as xml formatted
Jul 19 04:06:53 <ieatlint> there are google maps/earth addons that support it
Jul 19 04:07:46 <ieatlint> typing "import kismet gps data" into google will probably give all sorts of results
Jul 19 04:11:44 <mmontour> pjz: wiki pages for "Bootloader environment" and "Booting from SD" (though that page is somewhat out of date)
Jul 19 04:13:30 <pjz> gah, I keep typing 'ipkg' instead of 'opkg'
Jul 19 04:14:51 <peepsalot> is there 256 MB nand onboard? i'm looking at df -h and a little confused. thought it's only supposed to have 64mb
Jul 19 04:15:01 <mmontour> gta01 was 64
Jul 19 04:15:43 <cjb> yup.  it's great that the image hasn't grown since moving to 256, it means an SD card is totally optional.
Jul 19 04:15:49 <SpeedEvil> 128
Jul 19 04:15:57 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Jul 19 04:15:58 <SpeedEvil> flash
Jul 19 04:16:05 <cjb> rootfs                  246.6M     96.4M    150.2M  39% /
Jul 19 04:17:17 <swc|666> w00t finaly got a working SIM from AT&T
Jul 19 04:17:39 <cjb> swc|666: cool, which model?
Jul 19 04:17:40 <cjb> mine seems to work most of the time
Jul 19 04:17:40 <swc|666> 71234 4022
Jul 19 04:17:43 <cjb> swc|666: and the letter?
Jul 19 04:17:46 <cjb> 71234 (X)
Jul 19 04:17:48 <swc|666> looks...
Jul 19 04:18:04 <swc|666> 1 sec
Jul 19 04:18:19 <MadTBone> argh!!!  why can I not connect to my wlan??!?!?!
Jul 19 04:18:33 <swc|666> O
Jul 19 04:18:39 <MadTBone> very strange...it worked a few minutes ago
Jul 19 04:18:43 <swc|666> cjb: the letter O
Jul 19 04:19:16 <cjb> I see
Jul 19 04:19:24 <cjb> I think the ones they gave me were D and G
Jul 19 04:19:42 <swc|666> interesting... wonder what the diff is
Jul 19 04:21:58 <cjb> it's which company manufactured the SIM for them
Jul 19 04:22:37 <swc|666> ahhh
Jul 19 04:25:20 <Infinyt1> Kay, figured out why it wasn't upgrading right.
Jul 19 04:25:40 <Infinyt1> Anyhoo, is campwifi the only Wifi connection Gui?
Jul 19 04:26:20 <walrustown> MadTBone did you ask me a question about the accelerometers last night?
Jul 19 04:26:41 <cjb> Infinyt1: is that a qtopia app, or 2007.2?
Jul 19 04:26:42 <MadTBone> walrustown: uhh....maybe...
Jul 19 04:26:46 <Infinyt1> 2007.2
Jul 19 04:26:49 <peepsalot> is tangogps map data downloaded from googlemaps?
Jul 19 04:26:53 <cjb> Infinyt1: sure?
Jul 19 04:26:58 <cjb> peepsalot: no, openstreetmap.org
Jul 19 04:26:59 <Infinyt1> Possitive
Jul 19 04:27:02 <MadTBone> walrustown: let me check the log
Jul 19 04:27:17 <Infinyt1> Oh wait
Jul 19 04:27:39 <peepsalot> cjb, oh, the maps are much better than i expected
Jul 19 04:27:43 <Infinyt1> You were asking if the App was made for the 2007.2 or Qtopia, not whether I was using Qtopia.
Jul 19 04:27:44 <cjb> peepsalot: apps aren't allowed to download the Google data.
Jul 19 04:27:46 <cjb> peepsalot: yeah!
Jul 19 04:27:47 <Infinyt1> In that case I'm not sure
Jul 19 04:27:58 <cjb> Infinyt1: I was asking whether it runs on 2007.2, really
Jul 19 04:28:10 <Infinyt1> Ah, then I wouldn't know
Jul 19 04:28:26 <Infinyt1> It's just what I was recommended in here earlier. But I can't find it anywhere.
Jul 19 04:28:31 <cjb> me either
Jul 19 04:28:36 <cjb> I think it comes with the qtopia image
Jul 19 04:28:47 <MadTBone> walrustown: looks like my lappy is only keeping a few thousand lines... I may have asked something...but I don't remember the context
Jul 19 04:28:49 <Infinyt1> Darn
Jul 19 04:29:10 <Infinyt1> I'd rather not have to type in that wifi connection line on my Neo every time I wanna connect.
Jul 19 04:29:19 <cjb> yeah, me too
Jul 19 04:29:22 <walrustown> MadTBone: ok nm then, I just remembered your name
Jul 19 04:29:29 <cjb> I made a script so that I have to type ". home" or ". work" to connect
Jul 19 04:29:37 <cjb> but still a pain, and doesn't let me see which networks are around
Jul 19 04:29:43 <Infinyt1> Yeah. :<
Jul 19 04:30:02 <Jacen> That 1 in my name was getting annoying.
Jul 19 04:30:33 <MadTBone> walrustown: didn't you woot about accelerometers in ASU or GTK image
Jul 19 04:31:31 <walrustown> MadTBone: I wooted about them because I finally got my code to read them working
Jul 19 04:31:32 <Jacen> Hmm..
Jul 19 04:32:06 <MadTBone> walrustown: ooohhhhh.... do tell
Jul 19 04:32:35 <walrustown> MadTBone: I'm working on a small library to make reading them easy
Jul 19 04:32:47 <cjb> surprising that there doesn't seem to be a wifi connection manager for gtk/2007.2
Jul 19 04:32:57 <walrustown> MadTBone: then I'm going to use my library to make a game where you guide a marble by tiliting the phone
Jul 19 04:34:21 <kd8ikt> wow ieatlint 
Jul 19 04:34:21 <Jacen> I can't even remember how to make a script
Jul 19 04:34:38 <kd8ikt> found something to parse em into googleearth kml file
Jul 19 04:34:47 <peepsalot> walrustown, enigma!
Jul 19 04:34:50 <kd8ikt> thats crazy!
Jul 19 04:34:50 <MadTBone> walrustown: marble maze? sounds fun!  I hope the library will be useful for general functionality as well
Jul 19 04:35:14 <walrustown> peepsalot: yeah much like that
Jul 19 04:35:28 <peepsalot> i wonder if it could be ported
Jul 19 04:35:36 <walrustown> MadTBone: I'm definitely making the library generic
Jul 19 04:36:03 <MadTBone> walrustown: sweet...
Jul 19 04:36:06 <walrustown> MadTBone: and hopefully I'll eventually provide python bindings
Jul 19 04:36:36 <kd8ikt> lol theres a wireless AP near the police/firedept
Jul 19 04:36:42 <kd8ikt> its name is Hey Pig
Jul 19 04:36:53 * MadTBone gives props to walrustown 
Jul 19 04:37:05 <Jacen> Can you copy/paste?
Jul 19 04:37:11 <kd8ikt> w00t my first gps enabled wardrive that was fun
Jul 19 04:37:27 <walrustown> MadTBone: reserve the props until I follow through :P
Jul 19 04:37:48 <MadTBone> walrustown: nose to the grindstone
Jul 19 04:38:19 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: gps and wifi through GTA02??
Jul 19 04:38:31 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: on wardrive, I mean?
Jul 19 04:40:01 <kd8ikt> no just gps
Jul 19 04:40:09 <kd8ikt> +laptop 
Jul 19 04:40:12 <peepsalot> man, there's a lot of stuff in the opkg repos.  like 5 different touchscreen calibration apps for example
Jul 19 04:40:18 <Jacen> How do you close the ssh connection?
Jul 19 04:40:28 <cjb> jebba: "exit"?
Jul 19 04:40:28 <kd8ikt> theres a touchscreen calibrator?
Jul 19 04:40:33 <kd8ikt> whats it called i need one
Jul 19 04:40:33 <peepsalot> Ctrl-D
Jul 19 04:40:43 <Jacen> Ah.
Jul 19 04:40:43 <cjb> peepsalot: where do you browse the opkg repos?
Jul 19 04:40:53 <peepsalot> cjb opkg list
Jul 19 04:41:11 <peepsalot> kd8ikt, opkg list | grep calib
Jul 19 04:41:30 <peepsalot> do an opkg update first if you haven't done one yet
Jul 19 04:41:55 <Jacen> There any way from a Windows PC to access the SD card through the phone to put like music/pictures on it?
Jul 19 04:43:24 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: what did you do...connect to gpsd from laptop over usb?
Jul 19 04:44:22 <swc|666> which one of the controls is for the ear speaker on the alsamixer... anyone know? 0.o
Jul 19 04:44:54 <kd8ikt> yea
Jul 19 04:45:04 <kd8ikt> gps-utils gpspipe
Jul 19 04:45:30 <kd8ikt>  gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2947  and coonfig kismet.conf to the correct ip/port
Jul 19 04:45:55 <kd8ikt> would love it if the moko could do it all itself (hell of a lot more portable)
Jul 19 04:46:12 <mmontour> swc|666: I think it's "Speaker" for the Freerunner
Jul 19 04:46:21 <swc|666> hmm
Jul 19 04:48:59 <swc|666> mmontour: thank.. that did it ;)
Jul 19 04:50:16 <kd8ikt> http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/wardrive/
Jul 19 04:50:43 <kd8ikt> theres a little scripty there i found that works perfect for kismet logs > google earth readbale
Jul 19 04:54:13 <railer> so what the best flash?
Jul 19 04:55:01 <SpeedEvil> Flash Gorden.
Jul 19 04:55:36 <railer> ya ya ya saw that coming, 
Jul 19 04:56:55 <railer> qtopia any good?
Jul 19 04:57:34 * kd8ikt likes to go around flashing ladies
Jul 19 04:57:48 <Jacen> Hmm, after the Upgrade the loading bar when you turn it on doesn't uhh.. do anything.
Jul 19 04:58:14 <kd8ikt> yeah mine too
Jul 19 04:58:28 <kd8ikt> some1 F'd up bigtime
Jul 19 04:58:35 <Jacen> Ah well.
Jul 19 05:00:27 <kd8ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Vh9_Hi1kY
Jul 19 05:00:31 <kd8ikt> that'll fix it
Jul 19 05:01:32 <peepsalot> kd8ikt, actually i can't get the calibration app working.  and I was mistaken, i only see one app, the other things were libraries and such
Jul 19 05:02:02 <peepsalot> xtscal is the one i'm trying to use, but i get the message: "XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success"
Jul 19 05:02:06 <peepsalot> whatever that means
Jul 19 05:02:19 <MadTBone> this is so odd....for some reason I just can not get wlan to connect... is anyone else able to get a reliable wifi connection with wep or wpa?
Jul 19 05:02:58 <kd8ikt> yup
Jul 19 05:03:02 <cjb> the networks I use are all open
Jul 19 05:03:12 <kd8ikt> MadTBone: using wpa_supplicant?
Jul 19 05:03:38 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: even just manually with iwconfig
Jul 19 05:04:34 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: I was able to connect manually before...but not now
Jul 19 05:05:16 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: are you using wpa_suppplicant?
Jul 19 05:05:37 <kd8ikt> can you do a pastebin of your config
Jul 19 05:06:01 <kd8ikt> http://pastebin.com/m59e25a9c  heres my working one
Jul 19 05:06:10 <kd8ikt> or atleast the WPA part
Jul 19 05:06:19 <kd8ikt> taken straight from the wiki
Jul 19 05:07:00 <kd8ikt> <yes thats my actual wpa psk key>
Jul 19 05:07:08 <kd8ikt> wpa2
Jul 19 05:07:26 <kd8ikt> pluss its a linux openwrt router ;) 
Jul 19 05:07:27 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: which version of wpa_supplicant are you using?
Jul 19 05:07:54 <kd8ikt> ughwpa_supplicant v0.6.3
Jul 19 05:08:35 <kd8ikt> i kinda want to do some more war driving
Jul 19 05:08:36 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: yeah...I have an ASUS WL500GP running Kamikaze at home...but I'm on the road now
Jul 19 05:08:55 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: same wpa version here
Jul 19 05:10:35 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: http://pastebin.com/m4237d40e
Jul 19 05:12:44 <MadTBone> If I run wlan init script from wiki I get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported 
Jul 19 05:13:02 <MadTBone> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
Jul 19 05:13:30 <MadTBone> then dhcp never gets an address
Jul 19 05:14:27 <kd8ikt> hm
Jul 19 05:15:04 <kd8ikt> try wep_tx_keyidx=1?
Jul 19 05:16:27 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: nada...  do you get any errors when connecting?
Jul 19 05:16:38 <kd8ikt> whats weird is i couldnt get wpasupplicant to work on an open AP
Jul 19 05:16:51 <kd8ikt> i thing everyone gets that IO error
Jul 19 05:16:57 <kd8ikt> but still works
Jul 19 05:17:23 <kd8ikt> yeah thats crazy
Jul 19 05:17:30 <kd8ikt> hey have you installed campwifi?
Jul 19 05:17:54 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: no...let me try
Jul 19 05:19:48 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: where did you find campwifi?
Jul 19 05:20:04 <kd8ikt> opkg
Jul 19 05:20:10 <kd8ikt> need to be on the net first ;)
Jul 19 05:20:52 <railer> any suggestions for I can log into ssh on 192.168.0.202 but no internet and suggestions?
Jul 19 05:21:00 <swc|666> anyone have working pppd scripts for at&t?
Jul 19 05:21:17 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: I am ... through USB ... I get no campwifi on opkg... what image are you running?
Jul 19 05:21:41 <MadTBone> railer: what host os? linux?
Jul 19 05:21:51 <railer> ubuntu
Jul 19 05:21:52 <kd8ikt> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
Jul 19 05:22:17 <MadTBone> railer: lookslike kd8ikt beat me to the link
Jul 19 05:22:35 <kd8ikt> i dont http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networkingthink camp wifi works
Jul 19 05:22:44 <kd8ikt> err i dont think campwifi works
Jul 19 05:22:56 <kd8ikt> it looks a bit alpha at best
Jul 19 05:23:04 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: I can't even find it...
Jul 19 05:23:23 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: is it part of ASU?  I'm running 2007.2
Jul 19 05:23:32 <railer> well it says it wants my dns server, the route -n one?
Jul 19 05:23:53 <kd8ikt> me2 <updates 2007 firmware that shipped with my phone yesterday +upgraded latest kernel
Jul 19 05:24:01 <MadTBone> railer: make sure /etc/resolv.conf has the proper nameserver
Jul 19 05:24:21 <kd8ikt> my SD card + GPS play well together because of that kernel
Jul 19 05:25:17 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: yeah...same kernel here...SD + GPS work together, but still have long TTFF if wifi is powered up
Jul 19 05:25:32 <kd8ikt> ttff?
Jul 19 05:26:03 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: time to first fix
Jul 19 05:26:33 <kd8ikt> outside?
Jul 19 05:27:09 <kd8ikt> suspend kills my moko altogether
Jul 19 05:27:47 <MadTBone> no. inside.  haven't tried to get first fix outside.
Jul 19 05:28:38 <MadTBone> suspend used to work for me, except killed sound (but not voice call sound....oddly enough...just ring, click, etc)
Jul 19 05:28:47 <pjz> is there an alarmclock app anywhere?
Jul 19 05:29:21 <MadTBone> pjz: look in http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ringer/
Jul 19 05:29:43 <peepsalot> is openmoko-browser2 functional?  i tried it, went to google, but can't type anything into the box.  i have siwtched to matchbox kb so maybe that is a problem with this browers?
Jul 19 05:30:29 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: as of yesterday's kernel, suspend is really messed up for me
Jul 19 05:31:12 <kd8ikt> yeah
Jul 19 05:31:44 <kd8ikt> anyone know how to tell moko's dropbear ssh demon to accept ssh keys
Jul 19 05:31:46 <UndrWater> anyone install a browser for qtopia?
Jul 19 05:32:23 <kd8ikt> i gave it the authorized_keys file
Jul 19 05:32:53 <ieatlint> glad to hear it's not just me getting horrible issues with suspend/resume
Jul 19 05:35:10 <MadTBone> where can we track commits for daily builds... I know there's svn or cvs tracker somewhere...
Jul 19 05:35:40 <pjz> MadTBone: how do I build that?
Jul 19 05:35:49 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rce33560ae231 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py): 
Jul 19 05:35:49 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: implemented org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio serving interface org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio:
Jul 19 05:35:49 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: * PlaySound( s )
Jul 19 05:35:49 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: * StopSound( s )
Jul 19 05:35:50 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: * StopAllSounds()
Jul 19 05:35:51 * pjz has MokoMakefile
Jul 19 05:35:52 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * recf1901ccccf 10/docs/ (TODO ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem): add some new things to TODO and ti_calypso specific modem information
Jul 19 05:35:57 <ieatlint> MadTBone: that's how ? :P
Jul 19 05:36:39 <MadTBone> ieatlint: next time I'll know to wait a few seconds before asking...
Jul 19 05:36:40 <kd8ikt> wowo multitouche sorta works
Jul 19 05:36:55 * kd8ikt enabled cursor in matchbox's config
Jul 19 05:36:59 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: eh?!?
Jul 19 05:37:16 <kd8ikt> when placeing two fingers the cursor hovers in the middle
Jul 19 05:37:27 <UndrWater> kd8ikt: wohoo!
Jul 19 05:37:31 <ieatlint> yeah, it's like a touchpad
Jul 19 05:37:44 <UndrWater> kd8ikt: what are your thoughts as far as application?
Jul 19 05:37:50 <MadTBone> pjz: autotools?  I haven't tried to build it.
Jul 19 05:37:57 <railer> sweet I have internet! 
Jul 19 05:38:08 <kd8ikt> i think i need some stuff that uses the accellerometers or i'm gonna forget they exist
Jul 19 05:38:09 <Infinyt1> :D
Jul 19 05:38:24 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: that's normal for resistive touchpads...
Jul 19 05:38:30 <pjz> MadTBone: I doubt it's going to know how to find the right toolchain, but I'll try it
Jul 19 05:38:39 <kd8ikt> this is my first touchscreen
Jul 19 05:38:47 <UndrWater> accellerometers? what's that?
Jul 19 05:39:00 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: it's more of an artifact of the technology...no real application potential
Jul 19 05:39:02 <kd8ikt> read teh wika
Jul 19 05:39:07 <UndrWater> :P
Jul 19 05:39:37 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: you can probably get a similar effect on your laptop touchpad
Jul 19 05:39:45 <railer> so after ophg update/upgrade should I expect this thing to crash?
Jul 19 05:39:45 <kd8ikt> noway for the driver to tell "oh hai! those are two button presses"!?
Jul 19 05:40:06 <UndrWater> railer: yes...horribly
Jul 19 05:40:10 <MadTBone> kd8ikt: no...hardware can't report that
Jul 19 05:40:13 <kd8ikt> nah my laptop acts like the finger just ran to that spot without it seeing the motion
Jul 19 05:40:28 <kd8ikt> and forgets its current local
Jul 19 05:40:32 <kd8ikt> locale
Jul 19 05:40:42 <UndrWater> railer: actually...after update/upgrade my sim stopped working
Jul 19 05:40:54 <UndrWater> otherwise everything else was better
Jul 19 05:40:57 <kd8ikt> "oh that finger is still there? well i detected this one and he's active so i'm going with it"
Jul 19 05:41:06 <kd8ikt> ;)
Jul 19 05:41:09 <railer> worst case have to reflash?
Jul 19 05:41:13 <UndrWater> went from bad iphone to bad ipod touch
Jul 19 05:41:18 <kd8ikt> i am jacks mouse touchpad
Jul 19 05:41:44 <UndrWater> railer: yes
Jul 19 05:42:16 <ieatlint> hey... they split the 2007.2/asu trees between gta01 and gta02
Jul 19 05:44:16 <kd8ikt> hey ya know how the moko came with international power socket inputs...
Jul 19 05:44:29 <kd8ikt> who uses the two prongs with the round tips?
Jul 19 05:44:45 <kd8ikt> that looks weird/foriegn to me
Jul 19 05:45:34 <peepsalot> hmm, somehow i turned on the cursor on the touchscreen, not sure what i did
Jul 19 05:45:42 <peepsalot> was just clicking around
Jul 19 05:46:52 <UndrWater> peepsalot: turn it off quick....it'll blow up your house!!! :O
Jul 19 05:47:03 <kd8ikt> ah its a euro plug
Jul 19 05:47:24 <peepsalot> hmm, i think i killed "Home" somehow
Jul 19 05:47:24 <kd8ikt> hey ya know how the moko came with international power socket inputs...azy ur-a-pee'in's
Jul 19 05:47:39 <UndrWater> :D
Jul 19 05:47:49 <kd8ikt> whoopz
Jul 19 05:48:03 <ieatlint> is a pee-in like a sit-in?
Jul 19 05:48:03 <kd8ikt> login and /etx/x-something restart
Jul 19 05:48:31 <kd8ikt> ur-a-pee'in
Jul 19 05:48:36 <UndrWater> /etc/init.d/someting?
Jul 19 05:48:45 <kd8ikt> yeA
Jul 19 05:49:41 <UndrWater> all those /etc/init.d/ things are cool
Jul 19 05:49:47 <kd8ikt> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm
Jul 19 05:49:48 <ieatlint> i personally kinda like the UK plug...
Jul 19 05:50:05 <ieatlint> whenever i've used it, it's seem to fit a lot more snug
Jul 19 05:50:24 <UndrWater> in europe?
Jul 19 05:50:28 <ieatlint> and the fact that only the tips are conductive means you're far less likely to shock yourself when blindly trying to feel a plug
Jul 19 05:50:40 <ieatlint> uhm, yeah
Jul 19 05:50:42 <railer> hey I did opkg update/upgrade and didn't brick the phone! Bonus!
Jul 19 05:50:46 <Jacen> What text editors are included in 2007.2?
Jul 19 05:50:51 <kd8ikt> vi
Jul 19 05:50:53 <railer> vi
Jul 19 05:50:55 <kd8ikt> i installed nano though
Jul 19 05:50:55 <ieatlint> go vi!
Jul 19 05:51:04 <ieatlint> not even ed, just vi
Jul 19 05:51:05 <UndrWater> oooohhh nano
Jul 19 05:51:10 <ieatlint> oh, and sed/awk/cat
Jul 19 05:51:36 <UndrWater> thanks for reminding me
Jul 19 05:51:43 <Jacen> Anyone got a messenger running yet?
Jul 19 05:51:59 <UndrWater> pidgin?
Jul 19 05:52:28 <ieatlint> yeah, goodluck compiling that
Jul 19 05:52:32 <Jacen> Lol
Jul 19 05:53:04 <UndrWater> it's compiled for zaurus / debian...is it that hard?
Jul 19 05:53:27 <UndrWater> or maybe old gaim code 
Jul 19 05:53:57 <peepsalot> is it a software or hardware issue that freerunner can't be on without the battery in it (when hooked up to usb charge)
Jul 19 05:53:59 <UndrWater> wooohoo...nano
Jul 19 05:54:23 <ieatlint> somehow it strikes me as not friendly to small screens
Jul 19 05:54:32 <UndrWater> peepsalot: there's a thread about that on the mailing list
Jul 19 05:54:41 <ieatlint> and compiling large projects is a nightmare at the moment :P
Jul 19 05:54:57 <UndrWater> ieatlint: via OE?
Jul 19 05:56:01 <ieatlint> i've not dealt with OE, i've been dealing with an independent arm toolchain
Jul 19 05:56:21 <Jacen> I was thinking more a terminal based messenger
Jul 19 05:56:23 <UndrWater> ieatlint: you might TRY to get OE set up
Jul 19 05:57:41 <UndrWater> Jacen: like?
Jul 19 05:58:51 <Jacen> Uhm.. Oh, naim?
Jul 19 05:59:01 <ieatlint> eh... maybe at some point
Jul 19 05:59:08 <Jacen> As an example anyways
Jul 19 05:59:34 <UndrWater> Jacen: ICQ thing too...what's it called?
Jul 19 06:00:03 <ieatlint> finch?
Jul 19 06:00:29 <UndrWater> no...
Jul 19 06:00:51 <Jacen> Hrm, I'm not sure
Jul 19 06:00:51 <josch> you want a messenger?
Jul 19 06:00:57 <josch> give me a sec...
Jul 19 06:01:08 <UndrWater> cli...uses ncurses
Jul 19 06:01:30 <UndrWater> accepts all protocols
Jul 19 06:01:38 <ieatlint> and not finch?
Jul 19 06:01:53 <UndrWater> hadn't heard of it
Jul 19 06:02:03 <railer> how many gigs is this phone anyway?
Jul 19 06:02:16 <ieatlint> uhm
Jul 19 06:02:19 <ieatlint> it's not gigs
Jul 19 06:02:26 <UndrWater> ahhh
Jul 19 06:02:40 <ieatlint> there's about 250mb in the rootfs
Jul 19 06:02:42 <UndrWater> now i remember...finch
Jul 19 06:03:02 <ieatlint> and a microsd card reader, for which 8gb cards are available
Jul 19 06:03:08 <UndrWater> what i'm thinking of is before finch
Jul 19 06:03:09 <railer> so much for music
Jul 19 06:03:43 <stephelton> is there some limit on filesize or sample rate for pulse audio / ring tones?
Jul 19 06:03:48 <railer> so can yank the 250 and drop in a 8G
Jul 19 06:03:58 <ieatlint> no
Jul 19 06:04:10 <ieatlint> the 250mb in the rootfs is internal
Jul 19 06:04:21 <ieatlint> non-volatile ram or the like
Jul 19 06:04:48 <railer> waht about the little 250 mb card it came with?
Jul 19 06:05:02 <UndrWater> 512
Jul 19 06:05:12 <railer> ok 
Jul 19 06:05:22 <railer> but that can be switched?
Jul 19 06:05:45 <UndrWater> railer: looking for iphone killer?
Jul 19 06:05:59 <railer> yes
Jul 19 06:06:03 <mmontour> There's 256M of non-removable NAND flash, plus a microSD slot. You can put an 8G card (or whatever) into the microSD slot.
Jul 19 06:06:07 <railer> but cooler
Jul 19 06:06:09 <UndrWater> railer: look elsewhere then..
Jul 19 06:06:10 <josch> you look in the wrong place
Jul 19 06:06:34 <railer> you wussies, just needs some time and a little tlc
Jul 19 06:07:02 <UndrWater> not gta02
Jul 19 06:07:02 <UndrWater> maybe gta03 or 4
Jul 19 06:07:03 <railer> why not?
Jul 19 06:07:21 <railer> processor?
Jul 19 06:07:23 <josch> what do you consider an iphone killer?
Jul 19 06:07:23 <UndrWater> well...if SD accepts more mem...then we're talking
Jul 19 06:07:35 <MadTBone> railer: hardware can't do certain things 
Jul 19 06:07:35 <ieatlint> railer: because god hates you
Jul 19 06:07:37 <ieatlint> personally.
Jul 19 06:07:39 <josch> the freerunner has a much slower processor even more slower rgaphics
Jul 19 06:07:49 <josch> this is due to the fact that
Jul 19 06:07:59 <josch> a free phone has to use hardware with free specs
Jul 19 06:08:13 <josch> we want to have linux on it so some hardware is forbidden
Jul 19 06:08:27 <railer> ok makes sense
Jul 19 06:08:30 <josch> and the chip that is used in gta01/02 is slower than the iphones one
Jul 19 06:08:43 <josch> and the glamo isnt nearly as good in 3d as the iphone's
Jul 19 06:08:57 <josch> also
Jul 19 06:09:00 <josch> the iphone is locked
Jul 19 06:09:05 <josch> the fr is free
Jul 19 06:09:10 <josch> no point in comparing both
Jul 19 06:09:16 <UndrWater> as in freedom...
Jul 19 06:09:21 <josch> if you want freedom take the fr
Jul 19 06:09:42 <railer> no actually I would like to see FR become a workhorse
Jul 19 06:09:46 <josch> if you want tiny blinky stuff that you cannot hack - take the iphone
Jul 19 06:09:59 <ieatlint> hey now, i can get my FR to blink
Jul 19 06:10:16 <josch> so who wanted to see an instant messenger on it?
Jul 19 06:10:20 <josch> Jacen, ?
Jul 19 06:10:28 <josch> which one would you like?
Jul 19 06:10:28 <Jacen> Yeah.
Jul 19 06:10:30 <UndrWater> we' d all love it
Jul 19 06:10:33 <ieatlint> i threw together a python application to control the LEDs and the vibrator with a gui (bonus sex toy!)
Jul 19 06:10:34 <UndrWater> and a SIP client
Jul 19 06:10:36 <railer> I just want a phone with a CLI thats cool
Jul 19 06:10:39 <josch> why arent you doing it then????
Jul 19 06:10:52 <Jacen> Haha, I can't program. :<
Jul 19 06:10:58 <josch> no need to program
Jul 19 06:11:07 <ieatlint> yeah, just cross compile :P
Jul 19 06:11:08 <UndrWater> ASU?
Jul 19 06:11:11 <josch> for example take gajim - its python ond runs everwhere
Jul 19 06:11:14 <MadTBone> ieatlint: want to throw the code up somewhere
Jul 19 06:11:17 <josch> without compiling
Jul 19 06:11:34 <josch> so i will make some screenshots of the messenger of choice
Jul 19 06:11:36 <Jacen> I'm having enough trouble trying to make a script that'll let me connect to my Wifi router
Jul 19 06:11:38 <josch> just to show you guys
Jul 19 06:11:41 <josch> how simple it is
Jul 19 06:11:44 <Jacen> Ah. o.O
Jul 19 06:11:50 <ieatlint> MadTBone: it's a nasty hack job because it's in python (pygtk) and i'm inferring how to use python as i go along
Jul 19 06:12:06 <ieatlint> since i didn't feel like looking up how to pass by reference... :P
Jul 19 06:12:32 <josch> you want pdgin?
Jul 19 06:12:37 <josch> or gajim?
Jul 19 06:12:40 <ieatlint> Jacen: that's easy, configure wpa_supplicant.conf and just run wpa_supplicant in daemon mode
Jul 19 06:12:40 <josch> or psy?
Jul 19 06:12:53 <josch> okay since nobody is reacting doing gajim now
Jul 19 06:12:57 <josch> brb in a few minuted
Jul 19 06:13:01 <josch> *minues
Jul 19 06:13:08 <ieatlint> then throw on dhcp and a fix to the default routes and you're set
Jul 19 06:13:29 <railer> ieatlint hold that thought just going to try wifi in a sec
Jul 19 06:13:34 <Jacen> Is it horrible that none of that made any sense? :<
Jul 19 06:14:02 <ieatlint> you a linux user?
Jul 19 06:14:13 <Jacen> Aye, but I'm lazy and use Ubuntu.
Jul 19 06:14:14 <Jacen> Kekeke
Jul 19 06:14:26 <MadTBone> Jacen: ok....
Jul 19 06:14:33 <UndrWater> Jacen: fixed IP or dhcp?
Jul 19 06:14:35 <MadTBone> Jacen: what you want to do is....
Jul 19 06:14:47 <Jacen> dhcp
Jul 19 06:14:48 <MadTBone> open up a terminal on your home system...
Jul 19 06:15:01 <MadTBone> then do a sudo rm -Rf /*
Jul 19 06:15:11 <Jacen> <_<
Jul 19 06:15:22 <Jacen> *Cough*
Jul 19 06:15:22 <chillywilly> doh...
Jul 19 06:15:28 <MadTBone> sorry....couldn't resist...
Jul 19 06:15:38 <pjz> ieatlint: I can help with the python bits; I've been writing it for several years now
Jul 19 06:15:46 <UndrWater> Jacen: do you have wpa_supplicant.conf?
Jul 19 06:15:46 <ajbrun> is it necessary to use linux on the pc to develop on the freerunner?
Jul 19 06:15:50 <railer> damn it my job in life is to get cribbage and nethack on this thing!
Jul 19 06:16:06 <ajbrun> not that i mine ;)
Jul 19 06:16:06 <ieatlint> http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/wifi.txt
Jul 19 06:16:14 <ajbrun> mind*
Jul 19 06:16:53 <UndrWater> ajbrun: apparently not
Jul 19 06:17:01 <ieatlint> pjz: well, it's things like i threw it all into a class, but i should create a struct for each item, and then pass the structs by reference so i don't need 5 functions that do exactly the same thing but change var names
Jul 19 06:17:11 <ajbrun> but advisable i assume?
Jul 19 06:17:23 <ieatlint> i can put up the py script if people are that interested :P
Jul 19 06:17:23 <pjz> ieatlint: lots of fun refactoring to do, then :)
Jul 19 06:17:29 <Jacen> Eh, on the phone? I dunno. Where should I look?
Jul 19 06:17:41 <UndrWater> ajbrun: prolly easier...but not necessary
Jul 19 06:17:46 <ieatlint> just keep in mind i threw it together in like 30min while looking at python syntax reference manuals :P
Jul 19 06:17:47 <pjz> ieatlint:  that stuff's so easy in python
Jul 19 06:18:00 <ajbrun> kk - i'll have a look about when the phone arrives
Jul 19 06:18:15 <UndrWater> pjz: easier than C or C++?
Jul 19 06:18:18 <ajbrun> i want to develop something, but i don't know what or how yet
Jul 19 06:18:29 <ieatlint> pjz: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py
Jul 19 06:18:31 <pjz> UndrWater: much
Jul 19 06:18:34 <ieatlint> python is a lot simpler than c or c++
Jul 19 06:19:08 <ieatlint> i know c, c++ and php ... and python is inbetween c++ and php
Jul 19 06:19:22 * UndrWater hopes c or c++ is replaced by python as requiremet for degree
Jul 19 06:19:30 <ieatlint> it's not quite as coddled as php (real variable types!), but not nearly as picky as c++
Jul 19 06:19:41 * ajbrun has a degree and has done none of those :(
Jul 19 06:20:17 <ajbrun> anywhoo - time for bed
Jul 19 06:20:20 <ieatlint> i've been told python is great for small apps (such as the one i just threw together) and for prototyping larger apps, and then going back and re-writing in c/++
Jul 19 06:20:22 <ajbrun> back to england tomorrow
Jul 19 06:20:23 * UndrWater has degree...but it's in psychology...not useful for freerunner
Jul 19 06:20:47 <ieatlint> UndrWater: just keep writing an application that says "And how does that make you feel?"
Jul 19 06:20:54 <pjz> ieatlint: what did you want to pass by reference?
Jul 19 06:20:56 <UndrWater> :))
Jul 19 06:21:07 <budfive> python runs in a VM. This is the biggest difference from C/C++
Jul 19 06:21:07 <UndrWater> ieatlint: yes...exactly!! :D
Jul 19 06:21:12 <ieatlint> pjz: see the 3 tog_ functions?
Jul 19 06:21:16 <ieatlint> those should be 1 function
Jul 19 06:21:18 <pjz> ieatlint: yeah
Jul 19 06:21:28 <budfive> if you have cycles to waste, python can be useful because programs can be written faster
Jul 19 06:21:37 <ieatlint> and the variables referenced in them should be members of a struct
Jul 19 06:21:44 <pjz> ieatlint: oh, you want to pass in the label and LED file and... ah, got it
Jul 19 06:21:48 <budfive> i'm skeptical that this is the case in the FR...
Jul 19 06:21:53 <ieatlint> and status
Jul 19 06:22:11 <UndrWater> budfive: like portage?
Jul 19 06:22:25 <ieatlint> label, the led file and the status... status probably should be made an int so the struct can be used for the vibrator part too
Jul 19 06:22:37 <budfive> portage? that isn't a language...
Jul 19 06:22:58 <josch> Jacen, here you go
Jul 19 06:23:06 <UndrWater> budfive: no...but it's written in python
Jul 19 06:23:09 <josch> Jacen, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jul 19 06:23:13 <railer> anyone try a full kb yet?
Jul 19 06:23:13 <josch> the first two screenshot
Jul 19 06:23:25 <budfive> oh. ok. yes then. :)
Jul 19 06:23:29 <josch> railer, no NOBODY EVER TRIED
Jul 19 06:23:41 <josch> railer, do you see my screenshots
Jul 19 06:23:47 <railer> no
Jul 19 06:23:49 <railer> where?
Jul 19 06:23:50 <josch> took me five minutes
Jul 19 06:23:55 <josch> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jul 19 06:23:58 <josch> the first two
Jul 19 06:24:03 <josch> please have a look
Jul 19 06:24:07 <josch> this is why
Jul 19 06:24:08 <Jacen> Wow. :O
Jul 19 06:24:09 <josch> i do never
Jul 19 06:24:10 <josch> ever
Jul 19 06:24:16 <josch> want to hear iphone here again
Jul 19 06:24:21 <josch> freerunner is for freedom
Jul 19 06:24:25 <josch> you can do VERYTHING
Jul 19 06:24:28 <ieatlint> very nice josch 
Jul 19 06:24:29 <josch> EVERYTHING
Jul 19 06:24:32 <josch> so please
Jul 19 06:24:36 <josch> do not compare it
Jul 19 06:24:40 <josch> the iphone is locked up
Jul 19 06:24:41 <ieatlint> can you make some sort of python app to order pizzas and hookers?
Jul 19 06:24:44 <josch> it takes freedom
Jul 19 06:25:03 <UndrWater> ieatlint: write it
Jul 19 06:25:08 <josch> have a look on how quickly you can do everything with an open linux phone
Jul 19 06:25:22 <josch> if you like proprietary shit
Jul 19 06:25:24 <railer> ya ya ya, how do you get that stuff on the home page?
Jul 19 06:25:38 <ieatlint> anyone know if FSO/zhone will support a security system with its dbus api?
Jul 19 06:25:39 <josch> railer, its secret
Jul 19 06:25:54 <railer> I soon wipe my ass with an iphone then use it
Jul 19 06:26:00 <ieatlint> it occured to me that i could write an application that dialed phone numbers or sent sms without user interaction
Jul 19 06:26:16 <josch> Jacen, gajim is python but as i can confirm its still as fast as you expect it to run
Jul 19 06:26:22 <ieatlint> so i could go register like a 1-900#, and then start giving people apps so their phones call it
Jul 19 06:26:36 <railer> yes you could
Jul 19 06:26:39 <Jacen> Nice. :D
Jul 19 06:26:42 <josch> what do you want now? i can install you open ofice
Jul 19 06:26:56 <josch> but
Jul 19 06:26:59 <railer> oo would be cool
Jul 19 06:27:04 <Jacen> But uhh, I still have no idea how to do it.
Jul 19 06:27:06 <josch> i will let this as an exercise to the reader
Jul 19 06:27:07 <Jacen> Hehe
Jul 19 06:27:21 <railer> just give me how to put shit on the home
Jul 19 06:27:39 <josch> railer, if you find out how - you are worthy to do it
Jul 19 06:27:46 <railer> I thought this would do it but nothing dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t boolean -s /deskto
Jul 19 06:27:46 <railer> p/poky/internice/reduced false
Jul 19 06:28:00 <josch> will go get hunting some food now
Jul 19 06:28:04 <josch> nerd rage over
Jul 19 06:28:19 <ieatlint> if you wrote that hooker/pizza app, you wouldn't have to look
Jul 19 06:28:42 <ieatlint> link it in with the gps so it can tell them where you are
Jul 19 06:30:07 <railer> well just drop a apache on it and make a mobile server
Jul 19 06:30:25 <UndrWater> moko LAMP
Jul 19 06:30:39 <josch> use lighty
Jul 19 06:30:43 <ieatlint> yeah
Jul 19 06:30:46 <ieatlint> lighty better
Jul 19 06:30:55 <UndrWater> lighty?
Jul 19 06:31:02 <josch> i tried lighy one year ago on my gta01
Jul 19 06:31:08 <owen1> so what is the current opinion about the freerunner? any insights from early adopters?
Jul 19 06:31:13 <josch> lighttpd
Jul 19 06:31:14 <railer> moko mobile ekg, for your nosey doctor
Jul 19 06:31:37 <UndrWater> owen1: like to hack?
Jul 19 06:32:02 <josch> owen1, the opinion is that it is what you need if you want to have a device you can do hack to its knees
Jul 19 06:32:19 <josch> if you want to have a mobile phone - go buy a nokia
Jul 19 06:32:25 <owen1> josch: does the wifi and gps works?
Jul 19 06:32:31 <josch> they do
Jul 19 06:32:35 <owen1> cool
Jul 19 06:32:39 <UndrWater> wifi works...gps....maybe
Jul 19 06:32:46 <josch> gps toes too
Jul 19 06:32:53 <DocCod> anyone else have a nonworking ASU keyboard after doing an opkg upgrade today?
Jul 19 06:32:54 <josch> there is a fix released as a kernel patch
Jul 19 06:33:05 <UndrWater> josch: hack-around
Jul 19 06:33:18 <owen1> is it connecting to any wireless network around u?
Jul 19 06:33:25 <josch> if you want to fix it by hardware grab yourself a 10pF cap
Jul 19 06:33:38 <josch> owen1, ?
Jul 19 06:33:40 <UndrWater> josch: made my point
Jul 19 06:33:55 <UndrWater> owen1: connecting here at home...
Jul 19 06:34:01 <josch> now you can not even hack the sw but also the hardware
Jul 19 06:34:26 <owen1> UndrWater: but let's say u go outside. will it try to connect automatically?
Jul 19 06:34:26 <mmontour> ieatlint: see http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ for the pizza. You'll have to do the 'hookers' part yourself (although you can probably download the necessary data from craigslist)
Jul 19 06:34:53 <ieatlint> note that units to be sold starting july 25 are confirmed to have the gps hw fix already
Jul 19 06:35:03 <ieatlint> mmontour: yeah, i've seen that, hehe
Jul 19 06:35:08 <owen1> how easy is it to connect it to other wifi networks?
Jul 19 06:35:12 <UndrWater> owen1: you'll have to hack your config files yourself....but it should
Jul 19 06:35:27 <josch> owen1, just open up /etc/network/interfaces :D
Jul 19 06:35:28 <ieatlint> where i live, any automated search of craigslist for hooker phone numbers could give some very bad results
Jul 19 06:35:28 <UndrWater> i haven't figured it out yet
Jul 19 06:35:38 <ieatlint> "you're not really, a woman, are you?" ... 
Jul 19 06:35:50 <josch> owen1, if you are lazy for that - code some gtk app for yourself
Jul 19 06:35:56 <kd8ikt> heh
Jul 19 06:36:03 <owen1> josch: got it.
Jul 19 06:36:39 <ieatlint> josch strikes me as the kind of guy who uses telnet to connect to irc because he CAN
Jul 19 06:36:53 <josch> correct
Jul 19 06:36:55 <ieatlint> and damnit, pop3 protocol isn't that hard to memorise, it's all ascii
Jul 19 06:37:13 <josch> ieatlint, but it isnt fun anymore after like five minutes or so
Jul 19 06:37:27 <ieatlint> yeah, i tried it once too
Jul 19 06:37:29 <josch> reading email by telnet is much easier
Jul 19 06:37:31 <josch> irc is pain
Jul 19 06:37:38 <ieatlint> keeping track of which message is from which channel is quite annoying
Jul 19 06:37:48 <ieatlint> and then all that typing..
Jul 19 06:38:06 <josch> i am glad i made the right impression with all those new guys around here
Jul 19 06:38:58 <Jacen> There a GUI for connecting/disconnecting from Wifi laying around for the 2007.2?
Jul 19 06:39:01 <Sup3rkiddo> does ssh in the Freerunner allow X port forwarding?
Jul 19 06:39:04 <UndrWater> what's the cli irc client?
Jul 19 06:39:07 <ieatlint> i already had that attitude, but with an equal dose of procrastination
Jul 19 06:39:26 <josch> Sup3rkiddo, for me in debian on the neo it does ;)
Jul 19 06:39:34 <josch> UndrWater, irssi
Jul 19 06:39:45 <UndrWater> josch: thanks..yeah that
Jul 19 06:40:06 <UndrWater> not available
Jul 19 06:40:13 <chillywilly> bah
Jul 19 06:40:17 <mmontour> Sup3rkiddo: yes
Jul 19 06:40:24 <kd8ikt> cjb: 
Jul 19 06:40:37 <railer> josch what impression?
Jul 19 06:41:03 <Sup3rkiddo> mmontour, josch, cool
Jul 19 06:41:08 <josch> railer, <ieatlint> josch strikes me as the kind of guy who uses telnet to connect to irc because he CAN
Jul 19 06:41:15 <kd8ikt> i think cjb goes to mit
Jul 19 06:42:08 <railer> well that's nice, but are you willing to help others as well?
Jul 19 06:42:29 <mbuf> Sup3rkiddo, use ssh -X
Jul 19 06:42:42 <Sup3rkiddo> mbuf, yep
Jul 19 06:43:19 <UndrWater> firefox via ssh:
Jul 19 06:43:20 <UndrWater> ?
Jul 19 06:43:41 <railer> logout shh
Jul 19 06:43:49 <railer> opps 
Jul 19 06:44:03 <railer> too many keyboards
Jul 19 06:44:03 <Jacen> Hay josch, think you could get Miranda into an openmoko format and send to me? xD
Jul 19 06:44:18 <ieatlint> railer: the channel's drinking game says you have to take a drink now (typing commands for the FR into the channel)
Jul 19 06:44:20 <UndrWater> links?
Jul 19 06:44:28 <josch> Jacen, no
Jul 19 06:44:38 <Jacen> Didn't think so. :p
Jul 19 06:44:55 <josch> miranda is a windows app
Jul 19 06:44:58 <josch> happy porting
Jul 19 06:45:12 <Jacen> It didn't used to be
Jul 19 06:45:18 <josch> UndrWater, links works fine
Jul 19 06:45:19 <UndrWater> miranda?
Jul 19 06:45:23 <Jacen> And I'm pretty sure it's still OpenSource
Jul 19 06:45:23 <josch> links -g even better
Jul 19 06:45:39 <ieatlint> wicd and wifi-radar are the ones people talk about porting to the FR
Jul 19 06:45:43 <UndrWater> josch: links is not available via opkg
Jul 19 06:45:45 <josch> anyone interested in windows 3.1 on the freerunner?
Jul 19 06:46:03 <josch> UndrWater, depends on your repository
Jul 19 06:46:03 <UndrWater> josch: maybe
Jul 19 06:46:07 <josch> no
Jul 19 06:46:08 <josch> for sure
Jul 19 06:46:11 <bbb8> haha
Jul 19 06:46:15 <UndrWater> what's the config?
Jul 19 06:46:26 <josch> i would use the repo of Marcel_M 
Jul 19 06:46:30 <josch> he does great builds
Jul 19 06:46:36 <josch> all kind of stuff you can imagine
Jul 19 06:46:39 <pjz> ieatlint: minor fixes there, to be more functional-ish and more pythonish and more data driven
Jul 19 06:46:43 <josch> get it here:
Jul 19 06:46:47 <UndrWater> where does opkg store repos?
Jul 19 06:46:58 <josch> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf
Jul 19 06:47:01 <pjz> ieatlint: and you can of course inline the vars in the LEDS structure
Jul 19 06:47:10 <josch> UndrWater, download it to /etc/opkg
Jul 19 06:47:15 <josch> and do opkg update
Jul 19 06:47:35 <ieatlint> yay
Jul 19 06:47:38 <UndrWater> thanks!  i'll check it out
Jul 19 06:47:54 <ieatlint> i'm about at the end of my day... going to bed soon
Jul 19 06:48:05 <UndrWater> time to eat ginger cookies
Jul 19 06:48:11 <mmontour> josch: yeah, I saw that Windows3.1 thing - http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/
Jul 19 06:48:30 <Jacen> How did you go about compiling Gaim for the OpenMoko anyways?
Jul 19 06:48:57 <josch> mmontour, let me try this on the neo
Jul 19 06:49:14 <josch> Jacen, you mean pidgin
Jul 19 06:49:23 <josch> Jacen, should i try pidgin four you? :D
Jul 19 06:49:57 <Jacen> Sure. :D
Jul 19 06:50:10 <josch> and again
Jul 19 06:50:15 <josch> pidgin is ready for you
Jul 19 06:50:19 <josch> in the repo of Marcel_M 
Jul 19 06:50:26 <josch> kindly hosted on my server ;)
Jul 19 06:51:05 <Jacen> Ah okay.
Jul 19 06:51:33 <Jacen> Thanke. :D
Jul 19 06:53:51 <UndrWater> josch: will work on qtopia?
Jul 19 06:54:03 <Jacen> Oh I should prolly ask, did you make it for the gta01 or 02?
Jul 19 06:56:50 <josch> windows 3.1 is installing...
Jul 19 06:56:57 <mmontour> :)
Jul 19 06:56:58 <swc|666> has anyone been able to get GPRS to work with AT&T?
Jul 19 06:57:10 <Jacen> >_> Hmm, where are the Marcel_M repos located?
Jul 19 06:57:16 <josch> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf
Jul 19 06:58:10 <mmontour> Windows is good for a laugh, but I'd be more interested in getting a C64 or Amiga emulator working. I just tried building the 'e-uae' recipe that's in OE but it failed.
Jul 19 06:58:42 <pjz> josch: is adding those to 2007.2 safe? 
Jul 19 06:58:51 <pjz> josch: I mean, are they for 2007.2 or qtopia, or ASU or what?
Jul 19 06:59:34 <josch> -.-
Jul 19 06:59:54 <josch> mmontour, of course - its another "i do it because i can"
Jul 19 06:59:55 <josch> :D
Jul 19 07:00:58 <mmontour> josch: yeah, I know. I had a similar experience getting my Neo1973 to send an amateur-radio APRS report a few weeks ago
Jul 19 07:01:15 <josch> ;)
Jul 19 07:11:28 <kd8ikt> that is pretty neat though
Jul 19 07:11:41 <kd8ikt> have like a usb TNC or somethin?
Jul 19 07:12:33 <mmontour> kd8ikt: no, I made a custom circuit to connect the headphone audio to my Icom radio. 
Jul 19 07:13:06 <josch> wohooo 3.1 seems to be a heavy app - takes ages to start up
Jul 19 07:13:12 <kd8ikt> neato
Jul 19 07:13:24 <josch> takes longer than gimp
Jul 19 07:13:29 <josch> has to be better though
Jul 19 07:13:38 <josch> more features and stuff
Jul 19 07:13:41 <josch> eats my ram
Jul 19 07:14:21 <mmontour> josch: You'll be able to play the real version of Minesweeper, not the poor imitation that comes with the Openmoko distribution :)
Jul 19 07:14:38 <josch> wuaah! :D
Jul 19 07:15:24 <kd8ikt> hm /dev/input/event 2 and 3  are null
Jul 19 07:16:01 <kd8ikt> i should probably just reflash everything to the latest build
Jul 19 07:16:29 <kd8ikt> not like there is anything special/important on it
Jul 19 07:18:39 <railer> mmontour you an Ham?
Jul 19 07:19:02 <mmontour> railer: yes. callsign is VE7ABP
Jul 19 07:20:00 <kd8ikt> i hate that everyone on 2m around here are old hillbillys that talk about windows (scary part is i hear windows me talked about a lot)
Jul 19 07:20:15 * kd8ikt shudders
Jul 19 07:20:17 <railer> me no but know lots use to sell amateur equipment, VE6THD was a friend of mine
Jul 19 07:20:33 <railer> no skip!
Jul 19 07:20:47 * Bish wants his freerunner :(
Jul 19 07:21:14 <railer> quietest I've even seen the 10-11 M bands
Jul 19 07:21:43 <mmontour> kd8ikt: I'm trying to gradually spread awareness of Linux and Open Source. 
Jul 19 07:22:06 <kd8ikt> me2
Jul 19 07:22:27 <kd8ikt> missionaries in an unholy Scumsoft land
Jul 19 07:22:35 <Infinyt1> Where do music files need to be for the openmoko-mediaplayer2 to see them?
Jul 19 07:22:42 <kd8ikt> anywhere
Jul 19 07:22:53 <Infinyt1> Hmm
Jul 19 07:23:06 <kd8ikt> default i think looks in /mnt/card  (SDcard mntpoint)
Jul 19 07:24:01 <kd8ikt> but you can stick em anywhere and be able to load em
Jul 19 07:24:12 <Infinyt1> Huh, it can't seem to find mine
Jul 19 07:25:23 <kd8ikt> you mean you cant
Jul 19 07:25:39 <Infinyt1> Prolly something like that.
Jul 19 07:25:40 <Bish> :D
Jul 19 07:27:21 <malik1972> good morning
Jul 19 07:27:46 <malik1972> rotation in 2007.2 gives me a miscalibrated screen
Jul 19 07:28:19 <malik1972> any hints in the mailing lists etc?
Jul 19 07:28:56 <Infinyt1> Well I know where the file is (I can ls it anyways), so how do I tell the media player to uhh.. Play it. >_>
Jul 19 07:30:55 <josch> Sup3rkiddo, lol now you are in the internets! http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ (the contact window :P )
Jul 19 07:31:14 <kd8ikt> Infinyt1: explore the media player and its buttons
Jul 19 07:31:24 <kd8ikt> you'll figure it out 
Jul 19 07:31:57 <railer> anyone know where some game are?
Jul 19 07:32:02 <railer> games
Jul 19 07:32:18 <kd8ikt> i like net
Jul 19 07:32:19 <josch> i already told you the best repo for stuff
Jul 19 07:32:56 <malik1972> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/
Jul 19 07:32:58 <railer> sorry I'll go back and look, I missed it
Jul 19 07:33:00 <kd8ikt> opkg install task-openmoko-games  
Jul 19 07:33:16 <kd8ikt> a whole butt load
Jul 19 07:33:25 <malik1972> opkg remove task-openmoko-games
Jul 19 07:33:34 <malik1972> first thing to do
Jul 19 07:33:44 <kd8ikt> and i saw a pkg for scumvm on the buildhost
Jul 19 07:33:59 <railer> malik why?
Jul 19 07:34:07 <josch> try wesnoth on the neo
Jul 19 07:34:09 <kd8ikt> what no gameboy emulator? oh yeah no buttons
Jul 19 07:34:10 <josch> its fun
Jul 19 07:34:20 <railer> wesnoth love wesnoth!
Jul 19 07:35:16 <railer> all that's left is wifi hook up
Jul 19 07:35:33 <railer> and of course get a phone number
Jul 19 07:36:06 <Sup3rkiddo> josch, hehe....:D
Jul 19 07:36:24 <railer> sweet that a lot of games!
Jul 19 07:36:37 <josch> railer, what do you expect???
Jul 19 07:36:39 <josch> its linuy
Jul 19 07:36:40 <josch> linux
Jul 19 07:36:53 <josch> you can play anything opensource as far as the hardware is enough
Jul 19 07:38:08 <railer> josch I really didn't expect many games, still in development and all that
Jul 19 07:38:32 <josch> railer, but you *know* that there are liinux games out there?
Jul 19 07:38:46 <Bish> moon-buggy
Jul 19 07:38:50 <railer> oh yes,  play them all the time
Jul 19 07:38:58 <josch> okay so why the question?
Jul 19 07:39:18 <josch> feel free you install anything that you can play on your desktop as long as the hardware is enogh
Jul 19 07:39:25 <railer> i just didn't expect to port so easily to the phone
Jul 19 07:39:32 <josch> well
Jul 19 07:39:37 <josch> if you want a desktop on your phone
Jul 19 07:39:44 <josch> i recommend you to run debian on the freerunner
Jul 19 07:39:47 <Sup3rkiddo> OE is to be "blamed" for that
Jul 19 07:40:07 <Infinyt1> Woah
Jul 19 07:40:16 <josch> there you have a full repo of EVERYTHING debian has
Jul 19 07:40:16 <josch> railer, okay?
Jul 19 07:40:31 <josch> Infinyt1, you are new to irc arent you?
Jul 19 07:40:37 <Infinyt1> Aye.
Jul 19 07:40:45 <Bish> :D
Jul 19 07:40:47 <josch> this is normal - get used to it
Jul 19 07:40:53 <Infinyt1> Ah.
Jul 19 07:41:10 <railer> yes thank you
Jul 19 07:41:18 * Bish waits for his freerunner
Jul 19 07:41:22 <Bish> and waits.
Jul 19 07:42:04 <josch> i dont want to hear anybody complain that app xy will not work or even wether app xy will work this is linux and not any iphone crap - get used to the fact that you can anything on it that the hardware is capable of
Jul 19 07:42:44 <Bish> :D
Jul 19 07:46:13 <Infinyt1> I agree entirely. Now I just have to figure out how. x)
Jul 19 07:46:59 <josch> great
Jul 19 07:47:11 <kd8ikt> josch: $app wont work! fix it.. damnit
Jul 19 07:47:31 <josch> kd8ikt, right - you can fix it because it's OPEN SOURCE
Jul 19 07:47:35 <josch> good point
Jul 19 07:47:41 <kd8ikt> ;D
Jul 19 07:47:59 <kd8ikt> i need to build a gui frontend to wireless stuff
Jul 19 07:48:16 <kd8ikt> not practical to go sshing in or using the terminal
Jul 19 07:48:30 <Bish> is watching videos/movies on freeruner possible, if preencodedß
Jul 19 07:48:39 <josch> just ask other openmoko seniors around here how far the planning for a wifi gui is
Jul 19 07:48:57 <kd8ikt> why
Jul 19 07:49:00 <josch> i'm more into debian than in openmoko
Jul 19 07:49:07 <kd8ikt> ew
Jul 19 07:49:09 <josch> kd8ikt, i'm sure this is something already worked on
Jul 19 07:49:22 <budfive> one can just run debian on the FR, right?
Jul 19 07:49:27 <josch> i only use debian on my gta01 because i hate the restrictions of an embedded distro
Jul 19 07:49:37 <josch> budfive, i wrote a wiki page for it, yes
Jul 19 07:49:41 <josch> you can also run gentoo
Jul 19 07:49:44 <josch> or slackware
Jul 19 07:49:46 <budfive> ok. i'll go rtfm. thanks
Jul 19 07:49:48 <josch> or, or, or
Jul 19 07:49:53 <josch> budfive, this was EXACTLY
Jul 19 07:49:54 <malik1972> opensuse?
Jul 19 07:49:54 <Bish> josch: compiling on fr? oO
Jul 19 07:49:59 <josch> what i wrote about above
Jul 19 07:50:04 <josch> of course you can run debian
Jul 19 07:50:09 <josch> the question is only
Jul 19 07:50:10 <kd8ikt> netbsd
Jul 19 07:50:11 <josch> how
Jul 19 07:50:19 <josch> Bish, yes
Jul 19 07:50:22 <kd8ikt> though i cant say i like bsd
Jul 19 07:50:29 <josch> Bish, i use it to compile stuff on my neo
Jul 19 07:50:33 <Bish> haha.. openoffice would take forever
Jul 19 07:50:42 <josch> kd8ikt, there are people porting the bsd kernel i suppose
Jul 19 07:50:58 <josch> Bish, no - only 6 weeks
Jul 19 07:51:00 <kd8ikt> if 
Jul 19 07:51:01 <Bish> josch: u are running gentoo on freerunner :D?
Jul 19 07:51:05 <josch> i did
Jul 19 07:51:12 <josch> at the 24c3 in berlin last year
Jul 19 07:51:15 <Bish> with distcc?
Jul 19 07:51:23 <josch> without distcc
Jul 19 07:51:27 <Bish> hrhr
Jul 19 07:51:58 <Bish> what about watchin' movies on it, is it possible if pre-encoded?
Jul 19 07:52:07 <josch> on the gta01, yes
Jul 19 07:52:14 <josch> i watched 300
Jul 19 07:52:48 <Bish> and on freerunner? with crappy glamo?
Jul 19 07:53:03 <josch> dont know
Jul 19 07:53:07 <josch> i have no fr
Jul 19 07:53:08 <Infinyt1> Where'd you learn to compile stuff josch?
Jul 19 07:53:11 <josch> i need no phone
Jul 19 07:53:14 <josch> so no fr for me
Jul 19 07:53:20 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jul 19 07:53:25 <josch> Infinyt1, natively or with oe?
Jul 19 07:53:30 <Bish> hehe learn to compile
Jul 19 07:53:38 <josch> Bish, compiling by hand
Jul 19 07:53:52 <josch> i did never learn anything in a specific place
Jul 19 07:54:04 <josch> if i want to know something i look it up anywhere on the net
Jul 19 07:54:09 <Infinyt1> Ah
Jul 19 07:54:25 <josch> i'm not the kind of person who reads big books or tutorials and afterwards does his stuff
Jul 19 07:54:28 <josch> i just begin
Jul 19 07:54:32 <josch> and look things up i need
Jul 19 07:54:35 <josch> then i fail
Jul 19 07:54:38 <josch> and start over again
Jul 19 07:54:39 <Bish> :D
Jul 19 07:54:46 <budfive> josch: I looked at the debian wiki page. Very intrigued about just doing this on my FR instead of using the openmoko releases. I run debian on my desktop, so it shouldn't be too difficult. What's the disadvantage?
Jul 19 07:54:46 <josch> this is how i learn best
Jul 19 07:55:15 <josch> budfive, well it's more hassle to use it as a phone ;)
Jul 19 07:55:29 <josch> but of course you can install the openmoko phone apps on debian armel too
Jul 19 07:55:41 <josch> our you just phone by using cu :P
Jul 19 07:56:00 <budfive> it's more of a hassle only because the frontends aren't there...
Jul 19 07:56:09 <josch> they are there
Jul 19 07:56:10 <josch> but
Jul 19 07:56:19 <josch> you have to build them on debian from source
Jul 19 07:56:28 <josch> this could be hard for an unexperienced user
Jul 19 07:56:49 <budfive> seems like a good way to do the development is to decoulple the lowlevel libraries (phone hardware interfaces, gsm, etc) from the gui elements, so one could write different GUIs. Is this already the case?
Jul 19 07:57:00 <josch> fso
Jul 19 07:57:01 <budfive> sorry about the basic question. haven't looked at the openmoko sources yet
Jul 19 07:57:02 <josch> yes
Jul 19 07:57:24 <josch> fso is there to do exactly that
Jul 19 07:57:31 <josch> provide a framework for any gui app
Jul 19 07:57:32 <budfive> so this in the plan, but hasn't been done yet?
Jul 19 07:57:38 <josch> it is in the makings
Jul 19 07:57:54 <budfive> ok.
Jul 19 07:58:54 <malik1972> rotation on 2007.2 seems to be broken, tried to recalibrate, but it only calibrates the default, not landscape
Jul 19 07:58:57 <budfive> i'm thinking about using a very simple full-scrren-only WM that supports an appicon area (one probably already exists), and runnign the phone apps on top of that
Jul 19 07:59:09 <budfive> openmoko is writing their own WM, right?
Jul 19 07:59:19 <budfive> does that seem unnecessary?
Jul 19 07:59:31 <josch> i'm out of this discussion
Jul 19 08:00:10 <railer> anyone know why http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/ is 403 forbidden?
Jul 19 08:00:11 <budfive> ok. thanks anyway
Jul 19 08:00:42 <balrog-kun> malik1972: when you calibrate after switching to landscape it still doesn't work in landscape??
Jul 19 08:01:11 <malik1972> balrog-kun: tried this also
Jul 19 08:01:37 <balrog-kun> this should definitely work
Jul 19 08:02:14 <balrog-kun> well, unless the calibration app uses the framebuffer directly
Jul 19 08:02:22 <balrog-kun> which i think it does :P
Jul 19 08:02:28 <malik1972> balrog-kun: doing calibration on landscape messes the screen
Jul 19 08:03:24 <malik1972> balrog-kun:how to handle this
Jul 19 08:04:06 <balrog-kun> malik1972: if you don't want to hack X11 then i think you need to have two separate /etc/pointercal files
Jul 19 08:04:14 <balrog-kun> and swap them
Jul 19 08:04:45 <Bish> is watching videos possible on freerunner?
Jul 19 08:04:52 <Bish> with preencoding
Jul 19 08:05:02 <malik1972> balrog-kun but i have to get a correct one for landscape
Jul 19 08:05:26 <malik1972> okay, will try copying
Jul 19 08:05:43 <josch> malik1972, this is strange
Jul 19 08:05:46 <josch> on my neo1973
Jul 19 08:05:53 <josch> no other calibartion is needed
Jul 19 08:05:57 <josch> but
Jul 19 08:06:15 <josch> i saw strange issues with touchscreen on freerunner also with debian
Jul 19 08:06:23 <josch> the /etc/pointercal will no longer work there
Jul 19 08:06:28 <malik1972> how can i rotate from console
Jul 19 08:06:33 <josch> but afaik it is the same kind of ts
Jul 19 08:06:39 <josch> malik1972, xrandr -o [1-4]
Jul 19 08:06:47 <josch> [0-3]
Jul 19 08:06:57 <malik1972> +90?
Jul 19 08:07:11 <malik1972> -90
Jul 19 08:07:12 <balrog-kun> malik1972: it's a matter of exchanging some of the values in the file, there are 7
Jul 19 08:07:18 <josch> balrog-kun, you know who is into the whole xorg/tslib/ts stuff?
Jul 19 08:08:11 <josch> edistar recently tried debian on the freerunner and failed with calibrating the ts as his /etc/pointercal was no longer recognized
Jul 19 08:08:20 <kd8ikt> my cat sure does love my stylus
Jul 19 08:08:22 <josch> i can not imagine why because the ts didnt change
Jul 19 08:08:44 <josch> and imho has to be calibrated same as the ts in gta01 was
Jul 19 08:09:59 <balrog-kun> possibly values 5 <-> 1 and 6 <-> 2 but i may be wrong
Jul 19 08:10:03 <balrog-kun> josch: zecke i think
Jul 19 08:10:16 <josch> balrog-kun, thx
Jul 19 08:10:26 <Bish> can nobody here answer my question? 
Jul 19 08:10:47 <balrog-kun> Bish: it's possible
Jul 19 08:10:58 <doc|home> Bish: yes, at 320x240
Jul 19 08:11:12 <josch> prerotated
Jul 19 08:11:16 <balrog-kun> though i've not managed to get sound in mplayer when i tried
Jul 19 08:11:16 <doc|home> no
Jul 19 08:11:17 <Bish> great :)
Jul 19 08:11:22 <doc|home> they need not be prerotated
Jul 19 08:11:22 <josch> i wrote a nice mencoder line for this job
Jul 19 08:11:31 <doc|home> that can be done in hardware
Jul 19 08:11:35 <josch> doc|home, but they work better if they are
Jul 19 08:12:00 <josch> balrog-kun, this might have rather been an alsa mixer issue?
Jul 19 08:12:06 <doc|home> josch: shouldn't make any difference I've been told, by the person that wrote the mplayer codec for the freerunner
Jul 19 08:12:16 <josch> ah okay
Jul 19 08:12:21 * josch only did this on the gta01
Jul 19 08:12:32 <balrog-kun> josch: nope, it's mplayer's also driver or gta02's also driver
Jul 19 08:12:37 <josch> okay
Jul 19 08:12:41 <balrog-kun> it would error rather than just be silent
Jul 19 08:13:04 <balrog-kun> s/also/alsa/g
Jul 19 08:13:11 <kd8ikt> wtf
Jul 19 08:13:37 <emdete> josch: ping
Jul 19 08:13:44 <josch> emdete, pong
Jul 19 08:14:01 <malik1972> emdete: moin
Jul 19 08:14:38 <emdete> hi malik1972 ! :D
Jul 19 08:15:33 <malik1972> emdete: andys kernel fixed my gps issues
Jul 19 08:17:02 <emdete> shure, why not: it switches off sd often ;)
Jul 19 08:18:44 <malik1972> emdete: does it have any side effect like performance reduction
Jul 19 08:19:31 <emdete> you should be able to test that ;)
Jul 19 08:19:58 <emdete> just use sd alot when the gps ist looking for a fix.. that should not work
Jul 19 08:20:57 <malik1972> emdete: i see. i have my rootfs on sd, that should be a showstopper concerning gps
Jul 19 08:21:43 <SpeedEvil> I can do the rework to fix the GPS for anyone in the UK.
Jul 19 08:21:47 <kd8ikt> good lord finding an image/rootfs isnt easy
Jul 19 08:21:55 <kd8ikt> there are millions
Jul 19 08:21:58 <malik1972> emdete: how often gps looks for a fix, from time to time or ...
Jul 19 08:22:08 <SpeedEvil> well - the 10pf fix mentioned on the wiki
Jul 19 08:22:09 <malik1972> kf8ikt: which one
Jul 19 08:22:21 * kd8ikt was just browsing scaredy
Jul 19 08:22:30 <emdete> malik1972: ohne after a cold start is a critical moment
Jul 19 08:22:31 <kd8ikt> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/
Jul 19 08:22:47 <josch> SpeedEvil, anything official about this fix yet?
Jul 19 08:23:00 <emdete> malik1972: because it need uninterupted conn to at least one sat for a minute
Jul 19 08:23:23 <SpeedEvil> Not as far as I know - just the image
Jul 19 08:23:36 <SpeedEvil> pdf
Jul 19 08:24:11 <emdete> SpeedEvil: where did you get those capacitors?
Jul 19 08:25:05 <malik1972> SpeedEvil: yes, lets make a workshop;-)
Jul 19 08:25:15 <kd8ikt> actually i only see one image in there for gta02
Jul 19 08:25:31 <mw|> | /bin/sh: gobject-generate-constants: command not found
Jul 19 08:25:34 <mw|> hmmm
Jul 19 08:26:54 <emdete> kd8ikt: the sw fix is for the gta02 only
Jul 19 08:28:06 <kd8ikt> thats what i have
Jul 19 08:28:07 <SpeedEvil> I did tests
Jul 19 08:28:21 <SpeedEvil> gta01 has no SD issue at all
Jul 19 08:28:27 <kd8ikt> i already have a kernel that fixed the gps/sd
Jul 19 08:28:35 <SpeedEvil> emdete: stock
Jul 19 08:29:09 <malik1972> kd8ikt: any performance issues?
Jul 19 08:29:12 <kd8ikt> but accelleromters /suspend are fubared now i want to clean flash a good latest
Jul 19 08:29:36 <kd8ikt> brb
Jul 19 08:29:39 <malik1972> who is responsible for powermanagement?
Jul 19 08:30:58 <malik1972> the hackers should also concentrate on that issue
Jul 19 08:32:45 <malik1972> i have the feeling that opinions converning pm goe to different directions
Jul 19 08:33:07 <malik1972> does anyone have a battery life > 1d?
Jul 19 08:42:54 <kd8ikt> dunno miine was dead when i woke up
Jul 19 08:45:24 <kd8ikt> i'm gonna have to try building my own again cause this is murder finding the latest
Jul 19 08:48:15 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rad6420ad1847 10/odeviced/src/plugins/audio/ (Makefile.am audio.plugin audio.vala): initial commit of audio plugin
Jul 19 08:48:16 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r471ba3871244 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: Remove unused property
Jul 19 08:51:28 <SpeedEvil> PM is a big issue.
Jul 19 08:51:42 <SpeedEvil> There are about 7 or 8 different areas that need addressed.
Jul 19 08:52:07 <SpeedEvil> Spread over userspace, kernel, and libs.
Jul 19 08:54:35 <railer> anyone know why mtpaint is missing install and xserver install
Jul 19 08:54:49 <railer> restart not install
Jul 19 08:55:47 <malik1972> SpeedEvil: what do you think how long this may take?
Jul 19 08:56:49 <kd8ikt> months
Jul 19 08:57:00 <kd8ikt> so relax
Jul 19 09:09:29 <kd8ikt> flashin a fs
Jul 19 09:09:40 <kd8ikt> i wuv you guys
Jul 19 09:10:13 <dns53> hi kd8ikt
Jul 19 09:10:44 <kd8ikt> morinin
Jul 19 09:10:51 <kd8ikt> omg its 5am
Jul 19 09:13:30 <balrog-kun> NOWAI
Jul 19 09:13:43 <SpeedEvil> 10AM ITYM.
Jul 19 09:21:01 <ChandleWEi> how to use openmoko-mediaplayer2 ?
Jul 19 09:21:27 <ChandleWEi> I don't know how to select file to play
Jul 19 09:23:29 <SpeedEvil> You have to add it to a playlist first I think
Jul 19 09:24:10 <kd8ikt> ok this is weird flashed my rootfs +kernel but.. all the programs i installed before still exist (i thought that shit would be wiped)
Jul 19 09:25:41 <balrog-kun> kd8ikt: i think that happens because you didn't erase the whole partition explicitely
Jul 19 09:25:51 <balrog-kun> it's flwaed
Jul 19 09:25:55 <balrog-kun> flawed
Jul 19 09:26:07 <kd8ikt> so do it again but read the --help
Jul 19 09:26:13 <kd8ikt> ;)
Jul 19 09:27:28 <kd8ikt> doesnt even say anything about that in the --help
Jul 19 09:28:04 <kd8ikt> wtf am i supposed to do write zeros to it
Jul 19 09:29:27 <kd8ikt> rm -rf /
Jul 19 09:32:52 <balrog-kun> kd8ikt: "nand erase rootfs" in u-boot
Jul 19 09:33:29 <kd8ikt> hm
Jul 19 09:34:08 <kd8ikt> option non existent
Jul 19 09:35:07 <kd8ikt> u-boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 ...lovely
Jul 19 09:35:09 <ebbe> kd8ikt: You have to log in to it
Jul 19 09:36:16 <kd8ikt> ok
Jul 19 09:40:00 <Sargun> its so dirty.
Jul 19 09:40:26 <kd8ikt> that is a pretty funny version
Jul 19 09:40:41 <kd8ikt> i kinda dont want to upgrade it ever
Jul 19 09:41:09 <kd8ikt> dirty moko, cause lets face it the only time your in it is when things get slopy
Jul 19 09:41:53 <kd8ikt> time to douche it out
Jul 19 09:58:06 <ChandleWEi> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568， how to find this user gen?
Jul 19 10:01:05 <kd8ikt> why
Jul 19 10:01:12 <kd8ikt> having the same issue?
Jul 19 10:01:28 <ChandleWEi> yes
Jul 19 10:01:31 <kd8ikt> find someone with a debug board to try flashing it
Jul 19 10:02:02 <ChandleWEi> kd8ikt: I don't know how to use debug to flash nor flash
Jul 19 10:03:25 <kd8ikt> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3
Jul 19 10:03:42 <kd8ikt> more or less like regular flashing
Jul 19 10:04:29 <TAsn> kd8ikt, what can you do with a debug board that you can't without?
Jul 19 10:04:38 <TAsn> software wise that is.
Jul 19 10:04:45 <TAsn> nothing, right?
Jul 19 10:04:47 <kd8ikt> bootloader?
Jul 19 10:04:56 <ChandleWEi> kd8ikt:thx
Jul 19 10:05:16 <TAsn> only debug board owners can change the bootloader?
Jul 19 10:05:24 <kd8ikt> can you flash the nor without it TAsn 
Jul 19 10:06:14 <TAsn> well so how not having the debug board will affect me?
Jul 19 10:08:20 <kd8ikt> only if you break some lowlevel boot stuff
Jul 19 10:08:46 <kd8ikt> or like Chewbaca here came from the factory with an empty NOR
Jul 19 10:13:51 <kd8ikt> omfg rootfs isnt erasing
Jul 19 10:14:20 <kd8ikt> this is my 3rd flash and nothing changed
Jul 19 10:20:06 <ecraven> is there an adapter to use the FR in a car?
Jul 19 10:25:38 <kd8ikt> any  car ciggarette > usb should do it
Jul 19 10:25:58 <kd8ikt> did you forget its charge port was a usb?
Jul 19 10:26:07 <kd8ikt> Universal Serial Bus
Jul 19 10:26:10 <kd8ikt> says it all
Jul 19 10:28:53 <kd8ikt> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Mini-HTC-Car-USB-Car-Phone-charger/3181478/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11300564
Jul 19 10:29:03 <ecraven> kd8ikt: is there anything like cigarette -> usb??
Jul 19 10:29:19 <ecraven> ah, thanks! now to find that in Austria..
Jul 19 10:29:25 <kd8ikt> love how non propreitary connector devices are a dime a dozen
Jul 19 10:29:36 <kd8ikt> find an electronics store
Jul 19 10:29:46 <kd8ikt> sure they have one give em all a call 
Jul 19 10:30:11 <kd8ikt> have a dingo or roo run it to ya
Jul 19 10:31:27 <ecraven> austria, not australia ;-P
Jul 19 10:32:59 <kd8ikt> oh
Jul 19 10:36:26 <balrog-kun> hah somehow i had undestood australia too
Jul 19 10:36:54 <kd8ikt> i see aust i think down under
Jul 19 10:36:58 <ecraven> happens all the time ;)
Jul 19 10:37:00 <kd8ikt> aussie
Jul 19 10:37:07 <ecraven> we even have t-shirts that say "austria, no kangaroos"
Jul 19 10:37:22 <balrog-kun> i think australia should be forced to drop the name
Jul 19 10:37:37 <kd8ikt> well if you said something like guten morgan 
Jul 19 10:38:09 <kd8ikt> and never say "mate" unless your talking about doing the wild thing
Jul 19 10:38:27 <ecraven> what is the usual current for charging via usb? 1A?
Jul 19 10:38:43 <ecraven> scots say mate a lot :)
Jul 19 10:38:44 <kd8ikt> ugh god i dunno +5 or somethin check wikipedia
Jul 19 10:51:43 <ecraven> ah, why doesn't anyone offer a car holder for the neo? 
Jul 19 10:58:02 <TAsn> ecraven, since not that many people own one, and it's not even officially out yet, don't forget it's a development version. furthermore, i guess that's because any car mount will do.
Jul 19 10:58:35 <TAsn> my father has one for his nokia n95 that can do the trick
Jul 19 10:59:20 <TAsn> even better than for the n95 i must add, since the n95 has a very sensitive "open gallery" on the size, and every time he mounts the phone in it, it opens the gallery :)
Jul 19 10:59:27 <ecraven> i found some that can't go down to 6.2cm, so i didn't want to order just any one
Jul 19 11:04:57 <kd8ikt> get some amazing velcro
Jul 19 11:05:11 <kd8ikt> its space aged!
Jul 19 11:12:55 <kd8ikt> ok wtf opkg is taking liek an hour to download
Jul 19 11:23:01 <kd8ikt> lol chnaged the background pic to wall-e
Jul 19 11:23:14 <kd8ikt> mornin 666
Jul 19 11:23:17 <Bish> wall-e rox
Jul 19 11:23:26 <swc|666> kd8ikt: moring
Jul 19 11:24:29 <kd8ikt> here check it out i'll show you a screenshot
Jul 19 11:24:50 <kd8ikt> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jul 19 11:25:31 <kd8ikt> see it?
Jul 19 11:25:56 <kd8ikt> wait the time is way off
Jul 19 11:26:05 <kd8ikt> supposed to say 7AM
Jul 19 11:28:33 <kd8ikt> ps if ya didnt know heres how to hack up the UI a bit http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2
Jul 19 11:28:54 <kd8ikt> hated that clock taking up the whole home screen
Jul 19 11:28:59 <swc|666> nice
Jul 19 11:29:09 <kd8ikt> see that screen dump?
Jul 19 11:29:24 <kd8ikt> i still cant get over the moko's screen res
Jul 19 11:29:52 <swc|666> yes its very nice :)
Jul 19 11:32:58 <kd8ikt> now how to change the lock screen
Jul 19 11:33:06 * kd8ikt doesnt care for the matrix
Jul 19 11:33:28 <kd8ikt> unless its {0,0,1,2,4,0}
Jul 19 11:34:27 <swc|666> kd8ikt: how did you manage to calibrate tslib in debian?
Jul 19 11:35:14 <kd8ikt> tslib? oh is that a pic on the webpage?
Jul 19 11:35:17 <kd8ikt> want me bro
Jul 19 11:35:22 <kd8ikt> wasnt*
Jul 19 11:35:26 <swc|666> ahhh
Jul 19 11:35:29 <swc|666> who is that?
Jul 19 11:35:31 <kd8ikt> my only screen is the walle one
Jul 19 11:35:40 <kd8ikt> its an anonymous pic pastebin
Jul 19 11:35:47 <swc|666> :/
Jul 19 11:35:51 <swc|666> no worries
Jul 19 11:35:58 <swc|666> i'll get it sorted
Jul 19 11:36:03 <kd8ikt> i bet it was josch 
Jul 19 11:36:10 <kd8ikt> he's a deb nut
Jul 19 11:36:20 <kd8ikt> has it on his 1973
Jul 19 11:36:56 * amarsh04 runs Debian on 2 pc's and one laptop here
Jul 19 11:36:58 <swc|666> sweet... if i dont get it fixed soon i'll see what he has to say...
Jul 19 11:38:32 <josch> huh? what did i do?
Jul 19 11:38:55 <swc|666> lol
Jul 19 11:38:59 <kd8ikt> josch $app isnt working
Jul 19 11:39:10 <swc|666> josch - do you have debian running on the FR?
Jul 19 11:39:17 <kd8ikt> FIX MY COMPUTER
Jul 19 11:39:17 <josch> i have no fr
Jul 19 11:39:25 <josch> no i will not fix your computer
Jul 19 11:39:27 <swc|666> i cant get a good pointercal
Jul 19 11:39:31 <josch> ah!
Jul 19 11:39:36 <josch> swc|666, a known problem
Jul 19 11:39:39 <josch> ask edistar 
Jul 19 11:39:44 <josch> he has the same problem
Jul 19 11:39:48 <swc|666> :s
Jul 19 11:39:50 <kd8ikt> heh
Jul 19 11:39:50 <swc|666> k
Jul 19 11:40:03 <kd8ikt> why so two blind people can lead themselves?
Jul 19 11:42:16 <swc|666> another question... the atheros wlan ... i havent full tested this yet on a wifi router, but it seems that it only reports 1M for the card rate when you put it in other speeds, i.e. 54M 11M etc... anyone know if this is just a driver/firmware thing where its not reporting correct in wireless tools or if its really just 1M?
Jul 19 11:47:05 <kd8ikt> i knoticed that too
Jul 19 11:47:32 <kd8ikt> then again i dont plan on torrenting on this thing... 1M is better then 0M
Jul 19 11:49:36 <rwhitby> Anyone here know the expected voltage of the backup battery in the GTA01 and GTA02?
Jul 19 11:50:17 <kd8ikt> 666  then agian the lower the rate the farther you can stray from the AP
Jul 19 11:51:31 <almien> can you plug regular USB keyboards into a freerunner (with some appropriate USB->miniUSB adapter) ?
Jul 19 11:53:44 <kd8ikt> yeah i've seen someone do it already
Jul 19 11:54:25 <kd8ikt> if i had a usb kb i might try, but hey i have a laptop and ssh ;)
Jul 19 11:54:56 <kd8ikt> oh wow i think suspend works
Jul 19 11:55:08 <kd8ikt> i woke it up with the power button
Jul 19 11:56:26 * almien just wondering if keyboards suck too much power out of it if they connect by USB
Jul 19 12:18:54 <kd8ikt> ew found a nother good nugget
Jul 19 12:19:01 <kd8ikt> /usr/share/pixmaps
Jul 19 12:19:56 <jtickle> if anyone here is up... do I have to do anything special to get GPS Sight to work?
Jul 19 12:20:20 <jtickle> I just downloaded and installed, and if I go stand outside for a few minutes, nothing happens :-/
Jul 19 12:21:24 <Dave> goedmorgen iedereen :]
Jul 19 12:23:10 <kd8ikt> gpsd running?
Jul 19 12:23:36 <kd8ikt> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#GPS.2C_GPRS_and_WLAN
Jul 19 12:24:42 <kd8ikt> for the life of me i cant figure out where that sneaky matchbox lock screen wallpaper is
Jul 19 12:26:45 <OJW> anyone also get "unknown interface usb0" when connecting to FR from ubuntu?
Jul 19 12:31:03 <kd8ikt> nope works for me
Jul 19 12:32:17 <OJW> would it be a USB port problem (e.g. PC thinks that USB cable isn't connected) or an OS one (e.g. ubuntu doesn't know about "usb0")
Jul 19 12:34:39 <OJW> just tried it on an asus eee, and "ifconfig not found"
Jul 19 12:35:10 <jtickle> kd8ikt, once again I saw the notice in the /topic and started reading around
Jul 19 12:35:13 <Linux_Galore> use sudo
Jul 19 12:35:16 <jtickle> gpsd is on now and trying to fix again, thanks
Jul 19 12:35:30 <Linux_Galore> ie sudo ifconfig
Jul 19 12:35:51 <OJW> ok, the problem was /sbin wasn't in the path...
Jul 19 12:36:29 <Linux_Galore> OJW: yeah the old su -c problem
Jul 19 12:36:46 <Linux_Galore> normal su /sbin isnt i your path
Jul 19 12:36:51 <Linux_Galore> in*
Jul 19 12:37:34 <OJW> cool, I have connection to freerunner from the asus eee, which means I can now use it on holiday! :)
Jul 19 12:37:54 <Linux_Galore> nokia n810 price has dropped
Jul 19 12:38:01 <Linux_Galore> USD$299 now
Jul 19 12:38:47 <CVirus> WOW
Jul 19 12:38:59 <CVirus> no gsm yet though
Jul 19 12:39:01 <CVirus> lame
Jul 19 12:39:27 <Linux_Galore> CVirus: you can tether the n810 to a mobile
Jul 19 12:39:36 <Linux_Galore> get gsm
Jul 19 12:39:40 <CVirus> i don't wanna do that
Jul 19 12:40:07 <Linux_Galore> wonder if the usb control program allows a gsm dongle ?
Jul 19 12:40:44 <Linux_Galore> the n810 has a usb control app that allows you to host usb devices ie keyboards thumb drives etc
Jul 19 12:41:02 <Linux_Galore> via the usb port
Jul 19 12:42:32 <Linux_Galore> I noticed the centrino 2 lappies are out here in Syney saw one in a shop (asus)
Jul 19 12:42:38 <Linux_Galore> today
Jul 19 12:43:00 <Linux_Galore> might retire my p4 lappie
Jul 19 12:43:45 <TAsn> mine is p3 ;0
Jul 19 12:44:07 <TAsn> and is still up and running. i guess retirement age is different in my area ;)
Jul 19 12:45:34 <OJW> so freerunner battery life - I'm sure this has been discussed loads before, but I can't help noticing that it leaves the screen on an awful lot, getting warm in your pocket etc. -- to turn the screen off you have to just wait for the screensaver to kick in, go to lock mode and eventually turn the screen off.  Then it turns on again any time something touches the screen...
Jul 19 12:46:29 <TeNoVi> OJW: Try apm -s if you want to enter suspend. That works for me
Jul 19 12:46:34 <OJW> Would it be worth just making the aux key a dedicated on/off for the lock mode, so you press it and the screen powers-down. press it again to use the phone?  That would save loads of battery life, and be less prone to accidentally turning on the screen while in a pocket
Jul 19 12:48:41 <OJW> TeNoVi: is there a GUI element for that?  I'm not sure entering a terminal and typing apm -s every time you want to put the phone down is good idea
Jul 19 12:49:16 <TeNoVi> OJW: You could make an menu entry. (In the applications menu)
Jul 19 12:50:07 <OJW> TeNoVi: ok. I'll just find sample menu entries if I look around on the device's filesystem? or is there a wiki page describing them?
Jul 19 12:51:11 <TeNoVi> OJW: I had a wiki site with some stuff... I'll look around a little bit...
Jul 19 12:51:19 <OJW> k, cheers
Jul 19 12:52:57 <Dave> OJW to create a new menu entry simply create a .desktop under /usr/share/applications :)
Jul 19 12:53:03 <Dave> If that's what you were looking for.
Jul 19 12:53:15 <Dave> You can use any one of the other ones there as an example :)
Jul 19 12:53:45 <erwin_> There is a bad behavior with the scrolling application list on 2007.2 it's hard to clic because openmoko think i want to scroll 1 pixel :/ Anyone have a trick ?
Jul 19 12:59:01 <TeNoVi> OJW: I'm not shure if this is the best way to do it, but I've done this: I made a file called "sleep" in /home/root, and putted in: "#!/bin/sh
Jul 19 12:59:02 <TeNoVi> apm -s" After that I made a menu icon with a file called "sleep.desktop" in /usr/share/applications  and there I put: [Desktop Entry]
Jul 19 12:59:02 <TeNoVi> Encoding=UTF-8
Jul 19 12:59:02 <TeNoVi> Name=Sleep
Jul 19 12:59:04 <TeNoVi> Exec=/home/root/sleep
Jul 19 12:59:06 <TeNoVi> Terminal=false
Jul 19 12:59:08 <TeNoVi> Type=Application
Jul 19 12:59:10 <TeNoVi> Categories=GTK;Utility
Jul 19 12:59:12 <TeNoVi> StartupNotify=false
Jul 19 13:01:48 <toggles> anyone use mokomake? have anyideas why there are no gta02 images/rootfs?
Jul 19 13:02:13 <Sup3rkiddo> toggles, you have to change the machine
Jul 19 13:02:29 <Sup3rkiddo> toggles, make setup-machine-freerunner or something
Jul 19 13:02:47 <TeNoVi> OJW: And by the way.,.. You need to make the sleep file in /home/root executable. (chmod +x sleep)
Jul 19 13:03:26 <toggles> Sup3rkiddo: thanks mate! can i just do a make openmoko-devel-image to update?
Jul 19 13:03:54 <Sup3rkiddo> toggles, yeah i think so, bitbake should do that for you automatically (i think)
Jul 19 13:04:13 <toggles> ahh there it is .PHONY: setup-machine-gta02 setup-machine-freerunner shold have read the makefile
Jul 19 13:04:21 <toggles> Sup3rkiddo: thanks again champ!
Jul 19 13:04:30 <Sup3rkiddo> toggles, you may need to change the --device argument to dfu-util, dunno if its fixed in the newer ones
Jul 19 13:04:38 <toggles> fyi the gta01 image seems to be booting ok ;-)
Jul 19 13:04:41 * Sup3rkiddo read that as chimp for a sec :D
Jul 19 13:04:49 <toggles> lol
Jul 19 13:05:23 <toggles> Sup3rkiddo: so do you know the plan? if i was to start writing apps, should i concentrate on gtk? asu? fso? ??
Jul 19 13:06:19 <Sup3rkiddo> toggles, i dunno.....am a noob myself.. you should take a look at mickeyl's blog entry for that
Jul 19 13:06:27 <toggles> k, link?
Jul 19 13:06:52 <Sup3rkiddo> http://www.vanille-media.de/
Jul 19 13:07:22 <Sup3rkiddo> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ to be exact
Jul 19 13:07:37 <toggles> Sup3rkiddo: rock on bloke! thanks for you help!
Jul 19 13:07:56 <Sup3rkiddo> aw shucks...*sniff*
Jul 19 13:08:23 <Sup3rkiddo> happy hacking
Jul 19 13:08:29 <OJW> ok, double-check a command before I accidentally replace my PC's OS with an openmoko one ;) On the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner, the "sudo ./dfu-util ..." is run *on your PC"?  How does that command know that it's copying over some USB network?
Jul 19 13:09:42 <Sup3rkiddo> OJW, yes it is run on the PC....guess it looks for usb runtimes....see the source :D
Jul 19 13:10:10 <OJW> just worried that it has "Before you execute the following command, please log into U-Boot in the NOR Flash." which is a broken link :(
Jul 19 13:10:19 <toggles> OJW: it's coded to use the usb, 
Jul 19 13:10:36 <Sup3rkiddo> OJW, ah, thats easy...hold your aux button and press the power button
Jul 19 13:10:44 <toggles> ojw: turn unit off, hold alt, turn unit on keep holding power
Jul 19 13:10:51 <Sup3rkiddo> and then use dfu-util to flash
Jul 19 13:10:57 <OJW> Sup3rkiddo/toggles: yep, got that menu ok. 
Jul 19 13:11:05 <toggles> thats it, run dfu
Jul 19 13:11:08 <kd8ikt> do i need gllin?
Jul 19 13:11:09 <OJW> so running the command now I get "no DFU capable USB device found"
Jul 19 13:11:20 <kd8ikt> tangogps is freezing on me
Jul 19 13:11:28 <Sup3rkiddo> OJW, hmm, try --list
Jul 19 13:11:39 <OJW> oh nevermind - the OM powered-off after a while in the boot menu
Jul 19 13:11:46 <toggles> ojw: i got that every time i forgot to plug my device in usb
Jul 19 13:11:50 <Sup3rkiddo> hehe
Jul 19 13:11:54 <toggles> ;-)
Jul 19 13:11:56 <Sup3rkiddo> ~trout OJW
Jul 19 13:11:57 * apt slaps OJW around a bit with a large trout!
Jul 19 13:12:59 <OJW> right, so it's done something flashy-like. rebooting and see what happens
Jul 19 13:16:34 <toggles> crap
Jul 19 13:16:35 <stephelton> is there any support/planned support for per-contact ringtones?
Jul 19 13:16:45 <toggles> guess i'm going to concentrate on gtk+
Jul 19 13:22:36 <alx_> hi all
Jul 19 13:23:14 <alx_> may someone help me in flashing the Moko ?
Jul 19 13:23:21 <swc|666> echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode ...took me an hour to fint that :/
Jul 19 13:23:22 <alx_> I'm stuck in the wiki
Jul 19 13:23:27 <alx_> MokoMakefile :)
Jul 19 13:23:40 <swc|666> f/fint/find
Jul 19 13:23:41 <alx_> I did a whole make openmoko-devel-image for gta02
Jul 19 13:24:02 <alx_> and make openmoko-devel-tools 
Jul 19 13:24:15 <alx_> which should build statically linked dfu-util and openocd
Jul 19 13:24:34 <alx_> now, as far as I get, I've to use dfu-util on the image I've done
Jul 19 13:25:05 <alx_> but cannot find where the make openmoko-devel-tools put dfu-util :'(
Jul 19 13:30:09 <rwhitby> alx_: tmp/cross/i686-*/bin (or something like that)
Jul 19 13:30:25 <alx_> I've found a make flash-fr-local
Jul 19 13:30:30 <rwhitby> or just do a "find . -name dfu-util -print"
Jul 19 13:30:43 <alx_> rwhitby, nothing found
Jul 19 13:31:09 <alx_> but it complains about
Jul 19 13:31:17 <alx_> ./tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/dfu-util: command not found
Jul 19 13:31:26 <yyoZ> Hi all, is there any way of localising the Freerunner? Could I set it up to have a french UI?
Jul 19 13:31:49 <alx_> yyoZ you need locales build
Jul 19 13:31:51 <alx_> built*
Jul 19 13:33:26 <alx_> rwhitby, no binary dfu-util found even if make openmoko-devel-tools done
Jul 19 13:33:58 <rwhitby> alx_: run bitbake manually (see the wiki page on how to do that) and bitbake dfu-util-native
Jul 19 13:34:17 <yyoZ> alx_: ok, but which one? I've listed the fr-locale, and tried to install a few, but nothing's changed...
Jul 19 13:35:38 <alx_> yyoZ, you've to set LANG and LANGUAGE variables in enviroment
Jul 19 13:35:53 <alx_> rwhitby, may I paste what it gives me on que ?
Jul 19 13:36:09 <alx_> basically it tolds me
Jul 19 13:36:17 <alx_> completed
Jul 19 13:36:29 <alx_> but a find . -name dfu-util -print
Jul 19 13:36:31 <alx_> just after 
Jul 19 13:36:35 <alx_> shows nothing
Jul 19 13:36:39 <alx_> I've found an ipkg
Jul 19 13:36:43 <alx_> eheh
Jul 19 13:37:08 <alx_> should I do ipkg dfu-util-native on host ?
Jul 19 13:37:11 <alx_> o.O
Jul 19 13:38:49 <rwhitby> alx_: just get dfu-util from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util
Jul 19 13:39:28 <alx_> rwhitby, I know how to flash manually, my troubles are using MokoMakefile
Jul 19 13:39:55 <alx_> ^^
Jul 19 13:40:14 <rwhitby> alx_: ah, ok.  In that case I'll just put in on my list to look at later, cause it's almost midnight here.
Jul 19 13:40:57 <alx_> ahah
Jul 19 13:41:27 <alx_> rwhitby, well, what if I find how-to before you get up :) what's the right ML for MokoMakefile ?
Jul 19 13:41:47 <alx_> I mean, I'm quite sure it's my fault
Jul 19 13:42:18 <alx_> as I see in the makefile target for preparing image, compiling tools to use the image, and targets to flash
Jul 19 13:42:23 <rwhitby> alx_: there's a project at projects.openmoko.org - just put a bug in there.  or email to devel.
Jul 19 13:42:42 <alx_> and reading they seems ok :)
Jul 19 13:42:45 <alx_> rwhitby, ok thanks ^^
Jul 19 13:43:06 <rwhitby> alx_: there could have been some change in the bitbake infrastructure which has broken it.  that happens now and again.
Jul 19 13:43:18 <rwhitby> (e.g. packaged staging comes to mind as a possible culprit)
Jul 19 13:44:07 <alx_> rwhitby, well, ok. just a side note, which I don't know if it has beed asked before
Jul 19 13:44:17 <alx_> why all stuff goes in a tmp directory ?
Jul 19 13:44:47 <rwhitby> cause that's where bitbake puts it.  mokomakefile is just a wrapper around the alread well established OE bitbake environment.
Jul 19 13:44:59 <rwhitby> I didn't make the conventions, I just made it easy to follow them.
Jul 19 13:45:31 <alx_> ahahah ok
Jul 19 13:48:40 <dlowe> that's odd... my FR doesn't have modules for wifi
Jul 19 13:50:39 <RXShorty> hello all
Jul 19 13:50:45 <RXShorty> my battery isn't charging anymore
Jul 19 13:50:47 <RXShorty> suggestions?
Jul 19 13:53:16 <TAsn> plug it to the wall? ;0
Jul 19 13:53:41 <RXShorty> heh
Jul 19 13:53:43 <TAsn> the usb cable has to be connected on both sides... ;)
Jul 19 13:53:51 <RXShorty> well tried that about 10000 times
Jul 19 13:54:00 <RXShorty> after a flash went wrong
Jul 19 13:54:03 <RXShorty> I wanted to flash it back
Jul 19 13:54:09 <TAsn> ouch, i c.
Jul 19 13:54:18 <RXShorty> but this can't be done without a fully charged battery
Jul 19 13:54:48 <RXShorty> if I connect it thought the USB cable... it goes out after 10 secs
Jul 19 13:54:58 <TAsn> iirc battery charging is related to the os, i.e if it's off you can't charge it, which may imply that you need a good image installed.
Jul 19 13:55:13 <TAsn> RXShorty, no clue, if you got a nokia you can charge it using that.
Jul 19 13:55:32 <TAsn> that's not an official response, just a hack i thought about just now :)
Jul 19 13:55:33 <RXShorty> with the power adapter on it, it stays on... but even after 6 hours nothing happend...
Jul 19 13:55:35 <RXShorty> nokia?
Jul 19 13:55:39 <RXShorty> ahh... hmm ok..
Jul 19 13:55:47 <RXShorty> it is a nokia battery? sweet...
Jul 19 13:55:49 <RXShorty> going to try that
Jul 19 13:55:56 <RXShorty> Thanks TAsn
Jul 19 13:56:09 <CM> RXShorty: Have you tried taking the battery out?
Jul 19 13:56:14 <RXShorty> yeah
Jul 19 13:56:17 <CM> From the phone completely, for at least 1 minute
Jul 19 13:56:23 <TAsn> RXShorty, iirc it's the same battery that nokia uses.
Jul 19 13:56:25 <CM> So that the gsm chipset powers off
Jul 19 13:56:38 <RXShorty> Yeah CM tried that some time allready yes
Jul 19 13:56:49 <CM> Ok, was a common problem with the gta01
Jul 19 13:57:00 <RXShorty> I know.
Jul 19 13:57:13 <RXShorty> But if a Nokia can charge it
Jul 19 13:57:15 <TAsn> RXShorty, you can cast a recharge spell. though for that to happen you need to wait for diablo 3 to be out.
Jul 19 13:57:16 <RXShorty> going to try that
Jul 19 13:57:26 <RXShorty> TAsn LOL :)
Jul 19 13:57:29 <stephelton> =P
Jul 19 13:58:00 <RXShorty> Thanks guys...
Jul 19 13:58:10 <RXShorty> Going to retry it some more times.! THANKS!
Jul 19 13:58:31 <RXShorty> All have a nice day. Greetings
Jul 19 14:08:35 <dlowe> has anyone gotten this when trying to connect to a wireless network? ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
Jul 19 14:15:21 <swc|666> does dmesg tell you anything else?
Jul 19 14:15:33 <stephelton> dlowe: see at the bottom of the gta02 wlan page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN
Jul 19 14:16:41 <tomjoad440> I am attempting to set up Booting from SD on my FR and cannot find a way to create the vfat partion for the kernel partition, is there an alternative I can use to vfat or can someone point me to an package that would provide mkfs.vfat?
Jul 19 14:17:07 <tomjoad440> and I don't have a card reader to allow me to do it on a system other than the FR
Jul 19 14:22:05 <dTx> hi everyone
Jul 19 14:22:45 <dTx> anybody know how you can tell when openmoko is using gprs?
Jul 19 14:23:29 <dTx> ~gprs
Jul 19 14:23:30 <apt> i guess gprs is an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing a connection between your Pocket PC and this EGSM/GSM transceiver, it is lo
Jul 19 14:26:38 <dTx> Also, the Contacts list on my FR does not show even half of my contacts on my SIM (I have a lot) what's up?
Jul 19 14:27:05 <dlowe> swc|666: there's no mention of the error in dmesg
Jul 19 14:27:43 <dlowe> stephelton: I'm a little hesitant to bring down usb0
Jul 19 14:28:36 <mw|> dTx: I understand that you have tested the SIM card in anther phone to confirm that they actually are stored on the SIM?
Jul 19 14:28:59 <dlowe> stephelton: same problem, in any case
Jul 19 14:29:10 <dlowe> stephelton: this is with WPA
Jul 19 14:29:51 <dTx> yeah I always store my contacts on my SIM
Jul 19 14:29:56 <dTx> never on the phone itself
Jul 19 14:30:20 <dTx> I just recently changed to another hand-me-down phone before the FR
Jul 19 14:30:24 <dTx> so I know its all on there
Jul 19 14:30:43 <dTx> mw|: is that a pipe in your name?
Jul 19 14:30:48 <mw|> (many phones will store things internally instead of SIM if you have to long names, or use special non-ascii symbols... or have multiple numbers on the same name)
Jul 19 14:31:07 <mw|> dTx: yeah
Jul 19 14:31:24 <dTx> mw|: right but these are all verified stored on the SIM as they survived a previous transfer to another phone
Jul 19 14:31:41 <mw|> dTx: then FR has a bug yes
Jul 19 14:33:40 <dTx> FR or OpenMoko?
Jul 19 14:33:47 <dTx> I'm hoping OpenMoko
Jul 19 14:33:54 <dTx> Software is much easier than hardware ;-)
Jul 19 14:34:22 <stephelton> dlowe: ah. yeah that's worked for wep. bringing it down and immediately back up won't kill your ssh, just make sure your command also brings it up bofore you hit enter :)
Jul 19 14:34:27 <dTx> btw, how do you Ctrl+C out of a terminal command?
Jul 19 14:38:22 <dTx> have you guys seen that prototype moko keyboard written in python that had the standard 12 key keypad but you used two keypresses to give you a combination of 144 keys?
Jul 19 14:38:41 <mmontour> tomjoad440: if you update your u-boot to one built from the current OM git tree, you should be able to SD-boot without needing a vfat partition. However this fix does not appear to have made it into the buildhost images yet.
Jul 19 14:39:14 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r7284c178a66c 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mdbus: -e escapes string parameters '.n' -> \n, '.r' -> \r
Jul 19 14:40:05 <PBeck> ahoi
Jul 19 14:41:27 <OJW> WLAN - if dhcpdiscover isn't working, how do you set its IP address?
Jul 19 14:41:51 <dTx> OJW: it works on mine
Jul 19 14:42:11 <dTx> OJW: but you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file to set it all up
Jul 19 14:43:02 <OJW> my router seems a bit weird - if I set it to WEP mode then DHCP works fine, but if I set it to open then anything that tries to connect to it gets "no leases available"
Jul 19 14:43:55 <tomjoad440> mmontour: thank you.
Jul 19 14:45:20 <tomjoad440> mmontour: are the daily images on buildhost not built from the OM git tree?
Jul 19 14:45:59 <tomjoad440> mmontour: because you are saying that i need to build u-boot myself, correct?
Jul 19 14:47:02 <mmontour> balrog-kun: kd8ikt: "nand erase rootfs" should not be necessary any more (since around last September). You should file or re-open an issue in Trac if you're seeing that problem with a recent u-boot
Jul 19 14:48:04 <mmontour> tomjoad440: it looks like the bitbake recipe in OE is still using the old method (denx.de upstream tree + patches from svn)
Jul 19 14:48:43 <tomjoad440> mmontour: I see, thank you
Jul 19 14:50:20 <yyoZ> is there anyone who knows how to delete permanently a contact from the SIM card?
Jul 19 14:55:11 <erwin> is there someone which use the wifi with success ?
Jul 19 15:07:26 <Openfree> erwin, wifi is working
Jul 19 15:08:57 <dTx> erwin: I do
Jul 19 15:09:03 <erwin> yes i saw that i have a wpa problem as my open network works (slowly)
Jul 19 15:09:05 <dTx> The browser don't work real well though
Jul 19 15:09:24 <dTx> doesn't*
Jul 19 15:09:47 <erwin> yes openmoko browser is slow and with minimo i can't erase letters !
Jul 19 15:10:00 <dTx> I can't even click next page on Google
Jul 19 15:10:01 <dTx> :-P
Jul 19 15:10:28 <erwin> can you write something in a input text ?
Jul 19 15:10:35 <dTx> yeah
Jul 19 15:10:39 <dTx> In Minimo
Jul 19 15:10:45 <dTx> Not Openmoko Browser
Jul 19 15:10:45 <erwin> i don't know howw to do that (ah minimo)
Jul 19 15:11:03 <dTx> I think the OpenMoko browser is using KHTML
Jul 19 15:11:05 <erwin> lol it's unusable
Jul 19 15:11:19 <dTx> so its probably a Qt edit box or something
Jul 19 15:11:24 <erwin> can you erase letters with minimo ?
Jul 19 15:11:30 <dTx> not from the address
Jul 19 15:11:31 <dTx> hahaha
Jul 19 15:11:56 <dTx> can you not in a text box either?
Jul 19 15:12:08 <erwin> haha i thought not bying gta01 but gta02 will deliver me a bit unsability but it doesn't
Jul 19 15:12:28 <erwin> i don't test in a text box probably i can like you
Jul 19 15:12:34 * SpeedEvil points at teh topic.
Jul 19 15:12:36 <erwin> *didn't test
Jul 19 15:12:53 <erwin> do you have 2007.2 ?
Jul 19 15:12:59 * dTx points at bank account :'(.
Jul 19 15:13:02 <dTx> :-P
Jul 19 15:13:07 <stephelton> my opkg keeps complaining of missing .sig files, how can i fix this?
Jul 19 15:13:36 <dTx> stephelton: just ignore the messages it still downloaded the new packages
Jul 19 15:13:51 <erwin> stephelton: same for me its just you have no security... haha like all in root in openmoko
Jul 19 15:14:19 <stephelton> are they not available or is the url differenT?
Jul 19 15:14:31 <erwin> i don't know
Jul 19 15:15:28 <dTx> It looks like they just didn't generate the .sig files
Jul 19 15:15:37 <dTx> It just doesn't verify the dload
Jul 19 15:15:42 <dTx> not that big a deal really
Jul 19 15:16:07 <erwin> sig files are for hash or security ?
Jul 19 15:16:07 <stephelton> yeah i get that, it's obnoxious though
Jul 19 15:16:50 <dTx> I believe its just a hash
Jul 19 15:16:54 <dTx> Signed hash
Jul 19 15:16:59 <dTx> So a little of both
Jul 19 15:17:05 <erwin> :P
Jul 19 15:17:16 <dTx> Just making sure your files are actually from them and arrive intact
Jul 19 15:18:00 <erwin> it's a big deal for my opinion...
Jul 19 15:18:25 <erwin> is your minimo very slow to load ?
Jul 19 15:18:37 <dTx> Well, its just verification that it is from that site
Jul 19 15:18:49 <dTx> Unless your network is very unsecure I wouldn't really worry too much about it
Jul 19 15:19:02 <dTx> Minimo is slow to load
Jul 19 15:19:05 <dTx> Its a big program
Jul 19 15:19:12 <dTx> relatively speaking
Jul 19 15:21:04 <erwin> ok
Jul 19 15:22:04 <mmu_man> damn, out of stock already ? :)
Jul 19 15:22:12 <mmu_man> how will I port Haiku then
Jul 19 15:22:33 <erwin> like iphones it's to make people mad
Jul 19 15:23:10 <mmu_man> yeah homeopathic dosage + huge queues in front of stores !)
Jul 19 15:23:58 <mmu_man> been wondering, how is the radio part handled ? FPGA or something ?
Jul 19 15:24:08 <mmu_man> possibly it could be reprogrammed as an FM tunner :)
Jul 19 15:24:19 <mmu_man> or DVB-T/H
Jul 19 15:24:43 <Blastur> freerunner has radio?
Jul 19 15:24:50 <Sp33d3v1l3r> No.
Jul 19 15:24:56 <Sp33d3v1l3r> ->blastur
Jul 19 15:25:02 <Blastur> the baseband is probably asic, and very static :)
Jul 19 15:25:03 <Sp33d3v1l3r> mmu_man: It can't.
Jul 19 15:25:24 <Sp33d3v1l3r> mmu_man: absolutely no way at all. FPGA is a _EXTREMELY_ power expensive way of dealing with radios.
Jul 19 15:25:41 <mmu_man> just wondering
Jul 19 15:25:45 <Blastur> does the freerunner contain a fpga?
Jul 19 15:25:52 <mmu_man> yeah it's probably not easy to optimize it
Jul 19 15:25:55 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jul 19 15:25:57 <SpeedEvil> No FPGA.
Jul 19 15:26:03 <Blastur> right
Jul 19 15:26:04 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: it's not a case of optimising really.
Jul 19 15:26:22 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: it's a case of that a dedicated circuit can be a hundredth of the power.
Jul 19 15:26:33 <mmu_man> well most FPGAs use static ram, which shouldn't draw much
Jul 19 15:26:54 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: As a little bit of crystal can do a billion floating point operations at 24 bits, using a microwatt or so of power.
Jul 19 15:27:13 <mmu_man> yeah I know
Jul 19 15:27:15 <SpeedEvil> Whereas a FPGA might need 10W.
Jul 19 15:27:29 <mmu_man> aw, never checked requirements for those
Jul 19 15:27:34 <Blastur> a crystal can do floating point ops? :)
Jul 19 15:27:47 <mmu_man> Blastur yeah, using quantum math :)
Jul 19 15:27:49 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: yes - effectively. It's a little analog computer.
Jul 19 15:28:02 <SpeedEvil> In a very real sense.
Jul 19 15:28:09 <Blastur> really? 
Jul 19 15:28:21 <Blastur> how do you input and output data from a crystal?
Jul 19 15:28:34 <Blastur> light?
Jul 19 15:28:43 <mmu_man> well signal theory can either map to binary code or op amps (integrators, ...)
Jul 19 15:29:01 <SpeedEvil> Very limited, and fixed program, but it can do operations that are very CPU intensive on a FPGA - filter out a small band of frequencies and present them on the output - nearly free.
Jul 19 15:29:19 <mmu_man> how do you think FM radios worked before we had CPUs ? :)
Jul 19 15:29:55 <SpeedEvil> As technology goes on, the bandwidth over which software radios make sense expand more or less with moores law. 
Jul 19 15:30:13 <Blastur> well, i know most radio controllers for RC models have a crystal, but that only seems to determine which frequency it operates at.. maybe it is not related?
Jul 19 15:30:26 <mmu_man> Blastur he meant silicium there
Jul 19 15:30:32 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: very related - there is a lot of analog processing involved there.
Jul 19 15:30:57 <Blastur> hmm
Jul 19 15:31:29 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: the crystal sets the frequency, it's then mixed with the input sighal, goes through several analog processing stages, then is converted to digital only when the remaining signal has a bandwidth of perhaps a couple of Khz.
Jul 19 15:31:35 <Blastur> i wish i knew more about this stuff, im only into software :) 
Jul 19 15:32:20 <Blastur> i really wanted to build a small autonomous airship, but everytime i start planning, the mechanical or analog engineering parts stop me 
Jul 19 15:32:29 <SpeedEvil> Airships are boring.
Jul 19 15:32:34 <mmu_man> anyway, even fixed hw can be hacked, Fabrice Bellard turned a VGA card into a DVB modulator :)
Jul 19 15:32:35 <Blastur> they are very cool!
Jul 19 15:32:45 <SpeedEvil> If they go wrong, tehy can't smack into the ground at 150 MPH.
Jul 19 15:32:49 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: no it can;t.
Jul 19 15:33:05 <Blastur> my first project would be an airship that flies in a controlled environment
Jul 19 15:33:05 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: that was using a VGA card exactly to its normal specifications.
Jul 19 15:33:15 <mmu_man> yes but not its destination
Jul 19 15:33:17 <Blastur> what aircraft can smack into the ground at 150 MPH? :)
Jul 19 15:33:47 <SpeedEvil> mmu_man: the 'picture' was simply a very wierd precalculated one that happened to when you connected it to an antenna, it was a valid DVB-T signal.
Jul 19 15:33:59 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: I'm designing a UAV.
Jul 19 15:34:13 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: it's 1Kg. And most of a horsepower of thrust.
Jul 19 15:34:37 <Blastur> UAV would be the ultimate step, but since i have zero experience with this stuff, i thought i'd start small :)
Jul 19 15:34:53 <Blastur> what kind of UAV is it?
Jul 19 15:34:59 <SpeedEvil> Initial tests will be on a trampoline.
Jul 19 15:35:07 <SpeedEvil> Vectored thrust helicopter.
Jul 19 15:35:16 <Blastur> can it withstand 150 MPH impact?
Jul 19 15:35:19 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png is a shot from below (of a bad render)
Jul 19 15:35:21 <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
Jul 19 15:35:35 <Blastur> that is WAY cool.
Jul 19 15:35:46 <Blastur> whats your budget for this project?
Jul 19 15:35:54 <Blastur> if i may ask
Jul 19 15:35:58 <SpeedEvil> $1000 or so.
Jul 19 15:36:08 <Blastur> really? wow.. thats amazing
Jul 19 15:36:16 <SpeedEvil> I intend to sell copies for maybe $2000 as a product.
Jul 19 15:36:27 <Blastur> i was thinking twice that number for my small prototype airship
Jul 19 15:36:39 <SpeedEvil> Ascend to 1Km or so automatically, take 100MP panorama, descend automatically to landing pad.
Jul 19 15:36:54 <Blastur> so are you still in designphase, or do you have something physical done yet?
Jul 19 15:37:02 <SpeedEvil> design, little physical.
Jul 19 15:37:16 <Blastur> and how well will that aircraft handle wind? seems quite unstable from side force
Jul 19 15:37:30 <SpeedEvil> Very rapid control inputs.
Jul 19 15:37:35 <SpeedEvil> It's completely fly-by-wire.
Jul 19 15:37:47 <dTx> I'm really surprised in the Getting Started it tells you how to setup your Wifi/GPRS/etc. without first telling you to set a root password :-P
Jul 19 15:38:00 <SpeedEvil> dTx: the more people use openmoko the better.
Jul 19 15:38:14 <mmu_man> dTx nice one :)
Jul 19 15:38:23 <mmu_man> lol
Jul 19 15:38:41 <Blastur> hehe, thats cool.. how do you control it? GSM?
Jul 19 15:39:12 <Blastur> and what kind of platform do you use for logics?
Jul 19 15:39:23 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: it doesn't actually have any user-control in the normal case. But for prototyping, 802.11a and bluetooth and 433MHz radios.
Jul 19 15:39:24 <Blastur> i was thinking of using a La Fonera in mine, or the beagle board
Jul 19 15:39:54 <Blastur> i guess the range is amazing on 802.11a since you have no obstacles :) 
Jul 19 15:40:26 <SpeedEvil> Not really - it needs a 1.2m dish at the bottom to get the range required.
Jul 19 15:41:39 <Blastur> oh.. wont that interfere with airflow from the blades .. i dont see how you would fit that, looking at your test.png
Jul 19 15:41:54 <SpeedEvil> Err - no. That's on the ground. 
Jul 19 15:42:09 <Blastur> right
Jul 19 15:42:10 <Blastur> :)
Jul 19 15:42:41 <SpeedEvil> The device is some 30cm across, to give scale.
Jul 19 15:42:58 <Blastur> what do you use for the hull? styrofoam?
Jul 19 15:43:07 <SpeedEvil> Assorted stuff. 
Jul 19 15:43:26 <Blastur> i think mine will be styrofoam
Jul 19 15:43:34 <Blastur> but then again, it will only ever run indoors
Jul 19 15:44:37 <Blastur> i still dont really see how you can get stability? even with rapid control inputs.. does it even have a rudder? :)
Jul 19 15:44:59 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: the propellor is up at the top, tehre are thrust-vector vanes - the cross - below them.
Jul 19 15:45:28 <Blastur> oh
Jul 19 15:45:55 <Blastur> don't you have any real pictures of it?
Jul 19 15:46:01 <malik1972> lpotter: ping
Jul 19 15:46:09 <SpeedEvil> No, as it's a box of parts at the moment.
Jul 19 15:48:08 <Blastur> what engine do you use? and where did you get the rotor blades?
Jul 19 15:48:27 <SpeedEvil> Brushless outrunner, ebay
Jul 19 15:48:48 <mmu_man> Haiku would look nice on a FreeRunner I think...
Jul 19 15:48:49 <mmu_man> http://embedded.hug-nordic.org/ :)
Jul 19 15:50:44 <jOERG_rw> mmontour: your add on "known hw issues" about backup bat is *completely unconfirmed* and most probably absolutely wrong
Jul 19 15:51:07 <jOERG_rw> mmontour: we are booting in fab off a flat backup bat on *all* devices
Jul 19 15:51:27 <jOERG_rw> mmontour: please consider reverting this entry!
Jul 19 15:54:07 <jOERG_rw> also note: backup-bat should charge as long as there's a good main bat inserted. no need to recharge it by tricky workaround
Jul 19 15:54:37 <Blastur> hmm
Jul 19 15:54:49 <jOERG_rw> (AFAIK, didn't check back with pcf50633 scpec actually)
Jul 19 15:54:50 <Blastur> how do you prevent the entire thing to spin SpeedEvil? :)
Jul 19 15:55:11 <mmontour> jOERG_rw: OK, I will revert it until more info is available. The page does have a disclaimer at the top that information on that page is unofficial/speculative unless stated otherwise, and I did not say anything about tricky workarounds to recharge it.
Jul 19 15:55:47 <jOERG_rw> not you, but it's in the tthread you rreferred to. ah nevermind
Jul 19 15:56:18 <jOERG_rw> anyway to me this seems to be a no-issue
Jul 19 15:56:52 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: differential use of the vector vanes.
Jul 19 15:57:14 <jOERG_rw> we don't know what this guy did to his devices. the assumtion it's embty backup is mere guess of somebody not knowing the schematics
Jul 19 15:57:32 <SpeedEvil> And measurements of backup battery voltages.
Jul 19 16:08:40 <erwin> qwerty keyboard changed my life with 2007.2 ! :D mplayer work much better than openmoko video player, ogg work now and videos too
Jul 19 16:12:36 <Infinyt1> Hmm
Jul 19 16:13:07 <Infinyt1> How do I know that my GPS is working? I've had like 1200 fails in the last 20 mins. No fixes. :<
Jul 19 16:15:05 <Gnutoo> erwin, ogg works!!! wow...i read in a bugreport that it was too slow...by the way does ogg use integer(not floating point) (i read about ogg problems in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1614)
Jul 19 16:15:18 <stephelton> Infinyt1: i went for several walks and couldn't get it working for hours. finally i got in my car later that day and by the time i left the parking lot i had a fix...
Jul 19 16:15:57 <Infinyt1> Ah. So it's probably working, I'm just in a bad place.
Jul 19 16:16:07 <Infinyt1> Well anyhoo, any way to turn off the infernal tapping noise?
Jul 19 16:16:07 <Infinyt1> O_o
Jul 19 16:16:16 <stephelton> Infinyt1: likely. have you played with tangogps yet?
Jul 19 16:16:24 <cjb> Infinyt1: you can remove the file in /usr/share/alsa/sounds/ or something :)
Jul 19 16:16:34 <Infinyt1> Yeah I have a bit.
Jul 19 16:16:47 <stephelton> Infinyt1: you can replace the file or edit /etc/pulse/session
Jul 19 16:17:03 <Infinyt1> what's the file called?
Jul 19 16:17:14 <stephelton> Infinyt1: the numbers in the bottom right will tell you how many birds you can see and are using (hold on for link)
Jul 19 16:17:30 <Infinyt1> Ahh
Jul 19 16:17:37 <stephelton> look for the "touchscreen" one. the file is /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav by default
Jul 19 16:18:00 <Gnutoo> stephelton, ouch...is it because of the firmware of the gps?...because i would need to use it for walking/bicicling too
Jul 19 16:18:30 <stephelton> Gnutoo: once i got a fix it would detect me walking
Jul 19 16:18:37 <edistar> Infinyt1: just kill pulseaudio
Jul 19 16:18:55 <erwin> Gnutoo: openmoko player is incredibly slower than mplayer, ogg already works through ssh but it was unusable to listen music in real life...
Jul 19 16:19:04 <stephelton> Gnutoo: it wouldn't be a good guage of whether you were walking 3.5 mph or 4mph, but if you jogged 2 miles it would probably be pretty close as far as your trip distance goes
Jul 19 16:19:06 <mjr> Infinyt1, you do know about the generic gps/microsd problem and the workarounds?
Jul 19 16:19:46 <Infinyt1> MM, nope. I thought the latest updates fixed them?
Jul 19 16:19:47 <Gnutoo> erwin, ouch...most of my audio is in ogg(better quality)
Jul 19 16:20:14 <erwin> Gnutoo: I tested some ogg and it works great like video playing. 
Jul 19 16:20:19 <mjr> Infinyt1, so you _do_ know about them or you wouldn't think the updates fixed them
Jul 19 16:20:28 <stephelton> Infinyt1: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Release-Notes the second picture has notes regarding the satellites
Jul 19 16:20:38 <erwin> Gnutoo: You have a freerunner ? try my method i just modified th 
Jul 19 16:20:42 <Infinyt1> Well I knew there was a problem. XD
Jul 19 16:20:46 <Gnutoo> erwin, not yet
Jul 19 16:20:51 <erwin> Gnutoo: the http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player
Jul 19 16:21:20 <smooth_penguin> hows the neo freerunner phone in general?
Jul 19 16:22:19 <erwin> Gnutoo: an advise read the getting started before using your phone... I was very troubled their not so many things that work today ;-)
Jul 19 16:22:38 <MadTBone> do we not have a daily build for today?
Jul 19 16:22:39 <Gnutoo> erwin, i re-read it because it has changed(the getting started)
Jul 19 16:23:07 <smooth_penguin> I plan to get one, should I get the freerunner, or wait for the next release
Jul 19 16:23:08 <smooth_penguin> ?
Jul 19 16:23:13 <Gnutoo> erwin, by the way someone should integrate the patched mplayer in openembedded....
Jul 19 16:23:22 <SpeedEvil> smooth_penguin: the hardware is mostly OK.
Jul 19 16:23:25 <mjr> smooth_penguin, you want it, get it. GTA03 has no schedule.
Jul 19 16:23:28 <SpeedEvil> smooth_penguin: it's software issues.
Jul 19 16:23:28 <Infinyt1> Woah
Jul 19 16:23:31 <erwin> Gnutoo: some things like : hold 8 seconds the power button is a must-know :/
Jul 19 16:23:37 <Infinyt1> mPlayer is so much better. :O
Jul 19 16:23:57 <smooth_penguin> ok
Jul 19 16:24:00 <Gnutoo> but i don't know how to do openembedded packages and i don't have a phone yet(so couldn't test the result)
Jul 19 16:24:07 <Gnutoo> s/phone/freerunner
Jul 19 16:24:18 <erwin> Gnutoo: i'm not sure to understand the relations between openembedded and the phone but opkg have a working mplayer for me
Jul 19 16:25:44 <Gnutoo> erwin, ok
Jul 19 16:26:12 <MadTBone> When running on battery with power management enabled (dim, then lock), I'm seeing the system wake up every 10 minutes or so.... anyone else get this?
Jul 19 16:26:18 <SpeedEvil> smooth_penguin: at the moment, it's several software stacks, all with major usability issues, and a mostly functional kernel and hardware side.
Jul 19 16:26:21 <Gnutoo> erwin, by the way what does holding the power button 8sec do? (they talk about using it for quiting applications but not for 8sec)
Jul 19 16:26:56 <SpeedEvil> gnu{-: pops up the 'turn off' menu?
Jul 19 16:27:03 <MadTBone> Gnutoo: to turn the phone on
Jul 19 16:27:24 <erwin> Gnutoo: it's to power on the freerunner
Jul 19 16:28:03 <Gnutoo> MadTBone, ah ok...as far as i understood the 2 buttons can power it on but it's not the same flash...the other button is a backup bootloader....
Jul 19 16:28:42 <Gnutoo> thanks for the power button tip...
Jul 19 16:29:16 <erwin> 8 sec is so long... i don't understand why do that 
Jul 19 16:30:00 <MadTBone> Gnutoo: no.  boot operation is clearly outlined here: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
Jul 19 16:30:10 <MadTBone> Gnutoo: whoa....strike that...
Jul 19 16:30:27 <MadTBone> Gnutoo: it's not there anymore.... info must have moved to a different page
Jul 19 16:30:37 <Gnutoo> MadTBone, ok
Jul 19 16:31:31 <Infinyt1> Hey, anyone have Minimo? Can you download files to the phone with it?
Jul 19 16:33:25 <Gnutoo> erwin, by the way openembedded is the system used to build the packages and the images...i use it directly but most of the people here use the moko Makefile
Jul 19 16:34:17 * Gnutoo is updating the oe repositories
Jul 19 16:34:34 <Gnutoo> as updating i mean fetching...not the contrary
Jul 19 16:35:59 <MadTBone> Gnutoo: new page is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner ... basically...hold power by itself to turn unit on.... hold aux then power to get NOR boot menu.... OR hold power then aux to get NAND boot menu
Jul 19 16:36:15 <Gnutoo> MadTBone, ok thanks a lot
Jul 19 16:37:45 <dTx> Are there plans to bring midbrowser to moko?
Jul 19 16:38:31 <MadTBone> hmmm...FR is definitely waking up every 10 minutes like clockwork
Jul 19 16:39:08 <Infinyt1> Erm.. Is there any way to fix this without restarting? : ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
Jul 19 16:40:01 <MadTBone> Infinyt1: have you set up USB networking on the host side?
Jul 19 16:40:03 <mjr> MadTBone, probably the gsm reregisteration thing
Jul 19 16:40:14 <cjb> Infinyt1: you didn't do the ifconfig usb0 .. on the host.
Jul 19 16:40:25 <mjr> of which the gsm chip apparently informs us with an interrupt...
Jul 19 16:40:57 <Infinyt1> Well it works if I turn on the computer when the phone's already on and plugged in
Jul 19 16:41:08 <MadTBone> mjr: ahh.....I wasn't seeing it with the shipped image....
Jul 19 16:41:22 <MadTBone> mjr: only with the latest daily
Jul 19 16:41:27 <Infinyt1> But if I restart the phone or unplug it and plug it back in it gives me that message until I restart the computer again.
Jul 19 16:41:47 <MadTBone> Infinyt1: you need to set up usb0 iface
Jul 19 16:41:59 <erwin> Gnutoo: so why you say mplayer is not released under OE in contradiction that it is in opkg package list ?
Jul 19 16:42:13 <HdR> has anyone here built openmoko-mediaplayer2 with the toolchain? i have problems with libexpat (http://nopaste.ch/994cb43c1481369.html) can someone help me?
Jul 19 16:42:19 <Infinyt1> Ahh, that makes sense.
Jul 19 16:42:40 <Gnutoo> erwin, yes...lol...that's why i'm updating my local oe repository
Jul 19 16:42:44 <MadTBone> Infinyt1: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Jul 19 16:42:59 <erwin> Gnutoo: ok no problem :)
Jul 19 16:43:04 <Infinyt1> Yup, that worked. Thanke. :D
Jul 19 16:43:28 <erwin> Gnutoo: i'm a beginner so i could do a mistake..
Jul 19 16:43:47 <Gnutoo> erwin, it could also be that they use another repository than org.openembedded.dev
Jul 19 16:45:23 <erwin> Gnutoo: how could-i know if it is ? Some kind of sources.list in my phone ?
Jul 19 16:45:41 <Gnutoo> erwin, and i was talking about the special patched version of mplayer...the one that use the glamo chip...
Jul 19 16:46:04 <Gnutoo> erwin, sorry i don't know but do you have a fast computer?
Jul 19 16:46:42 <erwin> Gnutoo: Ahh glamo ?? I'm interrested in that because i think i have xserver glamo but i'm using mplayer with fbdev
Jul 19 16:47:05 <erwin> Gnutoo: i have a thinkpad T60p, one of the first dual cores
Jul 19 16:47:12 <Gnutoo> erwin, because with the mokoMakefile(that use openembedded) you could easely build all the application that are in openembedded....
Jul 19 16:47:31 <Gnutoo> erwin, personally i have a pentium-m 2ghz with 1.5GB of ram...
Jul 19 16:47:43 <Gnutoo> erwin, i build an image in about a day...
Jul 19 16:47:53 <erwin> Gnutoo: and in OE is there much more applications than in opkg ?
Jul 19 16:49:00 <Gnutoo> erwin, don't know...how many apps do you have in opkg?
Jul 19 16:49:49 <sirkha> hi, i am trying to opkg update and it doesn't get past the "Downloading .../Packages.gz" part i tried wgetting the file, and it hangs on "connecting to buildhost.openmoko.org (ip address)" and then times out, however, on another computer on the same network i have no trouble at all downloading the file
Jul 19 16:50:17 <sirkha> i am connected via wlan
Jul 19 16:50:19 <dTx> sirkha: are you sure you have network access?
Jul 19 16:50:26 <sirkha> i can ping
Jul 19 16:50:32 <dTx> ping what?
Jul 19 16:50:36 <dTx> your other computer?
Jul 19 16:50:45 <sirkha> google, of coourse ;)
Jul 19 16:50:50 <dTx> oh
Jul 19 16:50:59 <dTx> well that's odd
Jul 19 16:51:01 <erwin> Gnutoo: 6618 (opkg list | wc -l)
Jul 19 16:52:00 <sirkha> can't seem to ping buildhost.openmoko.org, though
Jul 19 16:52:17 <stephelton> is there no cron available?
Jul 19 16:53:21 <Gnutoo> erwin, wow... i have 1672 folders....but a folder can contain more that one package...such as the mozilla folder that contains firefox 1,2,3 minimo and thunderbird
Jul 19 16:53:34 <Gnutoo> erwin, do you have battle for wesnoth inside?
Jul 19 16:53:49 <erwin> Gnutoo: are you serious ! ? lol
Jul 19 16:54:30 <erwin> Gnutoo: do you have a freerunner firefox version ? I don't understand
Jul 19 16:54:49 <Gnutoo> erwin, yes i'm serious...because battle for wesnoth is in openembedded...there is a special version for GNU/Linux pda and it runs quite well according to https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html
Jul 19 16:55:15 <erwin> Gnutoo: haha no i don't have any firefox nor battle for wesnoth
Jul 19 16:55:17 <Gnutoo> erwin, ah for firefox..you can build it for the openmoko if you want...
Jul 19 16:55:44 <Gnutoo> erwin, but i wonder how slow would it be...it's worth trying...
Jul 19 16:55:46 <erwin> Gnutoo: interresting, so i have to go to mokomakefile in the wiki
Jul 19 16:56:11 <erwin> Gnutoo: yea i think it wil be horibly slow too 
Jul 19 16:56:36 <Gnutoo> erwin, but wesnoth is playable...if you can stand the long loading time 
Jul 19 16:57:01 <erwin> Gnutoo: wow impressive work, is it hard to port an application to OE ?
Jul 19 16:57:23 <sirkha> ah, it works now (randomly) except that now opkg says it can't find Packages.sig
Jul 19 16:57:28 <dTx> I think its pretty simple if it uses autoconf
Jul 19 16:57:39 <dTx> sirkha: it never can find that
Jul 19 16:57:42 <dTx> its not on there
Jul 19 16:58:06 <sirkha> okie, dTx, can I ignore that then?
Jul 19 16:59:43 <Gnutoo> erwin, don't know i never tried...all what i've done with oe was building and customising(i tried to make openpma use oe so i created bb for the kenrel,config for the distro and the device etc...but at the end i had a kernel bug that prevented me from runing the result...the kernel wouldn't execute binaries that are were not compiled with it's patched gcc-2.95 ...and i couldn't change the kernel because unlike openmok
Jul 19 16:59:43 <Gnutoo> o there were proprietary modules...)
Jul 19 17:00:38 <Gnutoo> and of course i could have used it's gcc-2.95(you can have an external toolchain in oe) but it wouldn't compile a lot of things...
Jul 19 17:00:55 <Gnutoo> (it's what i did in fact at the beginning)
Jul 19 17:01:10 <erwin> Gnutoo: sadly
Jul 19 17:01:48 <Gnutoo> and i also built an openmoko 2007.2 image without problem but the usb network can't work without a power button that doesn't work in qemu...so i'm waiting for my phone now...
Jul 19 17:02:14 <erwin> ok
Jul 19 17:02:29 <erwin> i'm going to try mokomakefile to build mplayer glamo to begin
Jul 19 17:03:29 <erwin> Gnutoo: i already used qemu before, should i begin to play with OE more easily ?
Jul 19 17:03:32 <erwin> *could
Jul 19 17:06:42 <Gnutoo> erwin, you can't install opkg in qemu because: 1)there is the default keyboard that does not have all the keys needed for networking 2)the usb link doesn't work because you need to lock the screen...and that needs the power button(enter)...that works under the bootloader but not inside the om2007.2 image, the ASU doesn't work in qemu and finally the FSO doesn't have a console...so the solution is to build an image wit
Jul 19 17:06:42 <Gnutoo> h a full featured keyboard...
Jul 19 17:08:29 <retracile> Has anyone tried a bluetooth or USB keyboard with their FR?
Jul 19 17:09:54 <Gnutoo> retracile, look at the planet(the blogs)
Jul 19 17:10:51 <Gnutoo> retracile, http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
Jul 19 17:11:03 <matt2> hi all, i have tried to compile navit (opensource navigation software http://www.navit-project.org/) on my freerunner, but i ended up with that error "checking for C compiler default output file name... 
Jul 19 17:11:03 <matt2> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
Jul 19 17:11:03 <matt2> See `config.log' for more details."
Jul 19 17:11:13 <retracile> Gnutoo: had just found it.  thanks!
Jul 19 17:11:19 <balrog-kun> Gnutoo: you don't need any keys for networking
Jul 19 17:17:10 <nicfer> one question, the cost of the freerunner is the 'without chip' one right?
Jul 19 17:17:27 <SpeedEvil> Chip?
Jul 19 17:17:30 <SpeedEvil> Tehre is no SIM
Jul 19 17:18:29 <stephelton> is there no cron available?
Jul 19 17:19:44 <MadTBone> stephelton: I was wondering about cron as well...
Jul 19 17:20:43 <stephelton> )=
Jul 19 17:23:18 <nicfer> I mean if the price for the hardware with contract will be lower
Jul 19 17:23:35 <SpeedEvil> you can't buy with contract.
Jul 19 17:24:00 <nicfer> then how would I use gsm?
Jul 19 17:24:08 <SpeedEvil> You buy a seperate SIM
Jul 19 17:24:28 <retracile> .. or transfer one from your existing phone, if you have a compatible SIM.
Jul 19 17:25:36 <nicfer> the trouble is if I buy it like a normal phone, it would cost less
Jul 19 17:25:47 <SpeedEvil> you can't buy with contract.
Jul 19 17:25:54 <SpeedEvil> Maybe 2010.
Jul 19 17:26:23 <almien> you can just go into a mobile phone shop and buy a SIM card on it's own for £10
Jul 19 17:26:33 <nicfer> so I wouldn't be able to get it in Argentina...
Jul 19 17:27:01 <nicfer> but you would need more than a SIM card... I need to charge it somehow
Jul 19 17:27:22 <SpeedEvil> It's _NOT_ a phone suitable for the even expert user right now.
Jul 19 17:27:40 <SpeedEvil> It's at the best a work in progress with software that's a sort-of-functioning phone.
Jul 19 17:27:46 <almien> nicfer: you mean if you promise to spend >£400 per year for several years with one phone company, and seal that promise by getting a phone which you can only use with that company, then they'll give a little discount on the phone?  doesn't sound like the best way of saving money..
Jul 19 17:28:34 <almien> charge? you mean electrically? 
Jul 19 17:29:09 <almien> or "charge" like putting money on a SIM card account?
Jul 19 17:30:44 <nicfer> with charge I mean adding credit to the SIM account
Jul 19 17:30:54 <SpeedEvil> You do that like any phone
Jul 19 17:31:23 <almien> you can just ring a special number from your phone and add money to it with a credit card
Jul 19 17:31:45 <almien> or buy £10 tokens in a supermarket, and dial a special number from your phone to add the money to your account
Jul 19 17:34:56 <Blastur> hey SpeedEvil, you don't happen to know any good UAV forums and/or 'communities'?
Jul 19 17:35:00 <SpeedEvil> Nope
Jul 19 17:35:10 <SpeedEvil> #papparazi - however you spell it
Jul 19 17:35:12 <carrar> suckage my sim doesn't work in the phone
Jul 19 17:35:16 <SpeedEvil> is a autopilot channel
Jul 19 17:35:17 <almien> zz
Jul 19 17:35:20 <ieatlint> how about scientology-centred forums?
Jul 19 17:35:32 <CM> Blastur: Doesnt Chris Anderson have some page for that?
Jul 19 17:36:05 <almien> diydrones.com is the famous introductory page
Jul 19 17:36:25 <Blastur> you all build UAVs? :)
Jul 19 17:36:58 <balrog-k1n> definitely
Jul 19 17:37:41 <harzi> Blastur: www.mikrokopter.de
Jul 19 17:39:07 <carrar> So if I hit up the AT&T/Cingular store they should have a SIM card that I get that works right?
Jul 19 17:39:34 <retracile> carrar: there is a wiki page that details the SIMs that are known to work/not-work for ATT.
Jul 19 17:39:39 <carrar> looking at it
Jul 19 17:39:45 <retracile> :)
Jul 19 17:39:55 <carrar> just seeing if others in here have
Jul 19 17:40:04 <carrar> printing it out to take with me
Jul 19 17:42:07 <almien> going to take the phone for a bit of "look what you can't get"? ;)
Jul 19 17:42:51 <carrar> hahah
Jul 19 17:43:08 <carrar> get yourself some bad carma?
Jul 19 17:51:23 <asyring> Hi. how can I build such a repository like on buildhost.openmoko.org ?
Jul 19 17:51:54 <ieatlint> pray to the cross compiling gods
Jul 19 17:52:24 <CM> asyring: Read about the Moko Makefile in the wiki
Jul 19 17:52:29 <carrar> thats it, no sacrifing virgins?
Jul 19 17:52:30 <CM> That's probably the easiest way
Jul 19 17:52:53 <ieatlint> carrar: there are too many geek virgins, it ceased to be much of a treat
Jul 19 17:53:00 <asyring> I made it with mokomakwfile but there are too many packet no in
Jul 19 17:53:02 <carrar> heh
Jul 19 17:53:34 <asyring> i bui
Jul 19 17:54:32 <asyring> i build the images with make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image
Jul 19 17:56:07 <asyring> and how could I change the multitap-pad to matchbox-keyoard in my image-file?
Jul 19 17:57:44 <Stroller> asyring: #openmoko-cdevel might help  if you don't get replies here
Jul 19 17:58:11 <CM> asyring: What is missing?
Jul 19 17:59:20 <asyring> for example the gtk+
Jul 19 17:59:59 <CM> You want to build the feed of ipk's?
Jul 19 18:00:13 <CM> Or the toolchain?
Jul 19 18:00:35 <CM> I have not been able to build the feed lately because of the mono package
Jul 19 18:01:07 <asyring> I want to build an image for my freerunner with some more packets as in the standard image
Jul 19 18:01:46 <CM> Ok
Jul 19 18:02:02 <CM> Installing with opkg doesn't work?
Jul 19 18:02:08 <CM> Or you want to make your own image?
Jul 19 18:02:28 <CM> If you want to make your own image you'll have to learn more about openembedded
Jul 19 18:02:30 <asyring> opkg  not from my repository 
Jul 19 18:02:52 <CM> Have you built the actual feed?
Jul 19 18:03:06 <asyring> ok then I look on openembedded 
Jul 19 18:03:27 <asyring> I think I need  "require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc" this in my local.conf
Jul 19 18:03:38 <asyring> right?
Jul 19 18:04:35 <CM> To build the latest stuff
Jul 19 18:05:02 <asyring> ok then I understand why opkg upgrade from buildhost takes so long
Jul 19 18:05:40 <asyring> I'll try it first with the lastest stuff 
Jul 19 18:05:52 <CM> ScaredyCat would know more, but for once he's not around
Jul 19 18:06:05 <asyring> and then I look to openembedded
Jul 19 18:06:46 <asyring> ok thanks cu
Jul 19 18:06:54 <asyring> \quit
Jul 19 18:10:33 <stephelton> does the fr not support sdl?
Jul 19 18:12:17 <mjr> om supports sdl, fr does what om tells it
Jul 19 18:12:27 <almien> anyone find that typing 0 doesn't work in terminal?
Jul 19 18:13:06 <nicfer> equally, if you don't like the phone functions, you also have the chance to use wifi right?
Jul 19 18:14:03 <stephelton> mjr: doesn't look like om supports sdl according to the wiki \=
Jul 19 18:14:35 <almien> is there a sample python program somewhere to show how to read accelerometers
Jul 19 18:14:39 <stephelton> although the libraries are in /usr/lib...
Jul 19 18:14:43 <cjb> almien: yes
Jul 19 18:15:15 <cjb> http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/
Jul 19 18:15:39 <almien> thanks - knew I'd seen it somewhere
Jul 19 18:17:52 <mjr> stephelton, I have no idea what you mean by "not supporting" then
Jul 19 18:22:11 <Zorkman> anyone time for stupid question from a linux-noob?
Jul 19 18:22:21 <SpeedEvil> Sure.
Jul 19 18:22:23 <Stroller> Ask the question, don't ask to ask it
Jul 19 18:22:25 <Zorkman> i downloaded dfu-util in a folder dfu-util; i then downloaded the latest uboot image
Jul 19 18:22:48 <Zorkman> then i try to run ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gra02v5-latest.bin
Jul 19 18:23:00 <Zorkman> then i get: ./dfu-util: is a directory
Jul 19 18:23:13 <SpeedEvil> cd dfu-util
Jul 19 18:23:18 <Zorkman> done that
Jul 19 18:23:23 <SpeedEvil> or ./dfu-util/dfu-util
Jul 19 18:23:28 <SpeedEvil> ls -l dfu-util
Jul 19 18:23:31 <Zorkman> then i get: bash:dfu-util: command not found
Jul 19 18:23:33 <SpeedEvil> does it show as a directroy?
Jul 19 18:24:06 <Zorkman> yes, when i do the ls -l thing i get two lines
Jul 19 18:24:14 <Zorkman> one for the dfu-util.1 and one for the uboot image
Jul 19 18:24:33 <SpeedEvil> dfu-util.1 is probably the manual page
Jul 19 18:24:57 <SpeedEvil> where did you download this from?
Jul 19 18:25:24 <Zorkman> wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/relases/Freerunner/dfu-utils
Jul 19 18:25:32 <Zorkman> wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/relases/Freerunner/dfu-util i mean
Jul 19 18:27:16 <SpeedEvil> Ok - how large is dfu-util.1?
Jul 19 18:27:28 <Zorkman> wait i sec, i tried again and now i do not have dfu-util.1 but just dfu-util without an extension
Jul 19 18:27:31 <SpeedEvil> Ok - how large is dfu-util
Jul 19 18:27:43 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0e2735f622be 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko-qtopia-x11] Change the sequence of RDEPENDS in task-openmoko-qtopia-x11
Jul 19 18:27:44 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re0e580c72c0e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Jul 19 18:27:48 <SpeedEvil> you will need to do chmod +x ./dfu-util
Jul 19 18:27:53 <Zorkman> great, now i get no DFU capable usb device found
Jul 19 18:27:55 <SpeedEvil> To make it an executable file
Jul 19 18:27:58 <SpeedEvil> Right.
Jul 19 18:28:00 <Zorkman> jup i've done that
Jul 19 18:28:05 <SpeedEvil> Is your FR on, and in u-boot menu?
Jul 19 18:28:06 <Zorkman> now i'll boot in NOR
Jul 19 18:28:33 <Zorkman> it's on now, but it doesn't detect it
Jul 19 18:28:43 <Zorkman> (i'm using vmware to emulate fedora9)
Jul 19 18:28:48 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Jul 19 18:28:54 <Zorkman> maybe i'll just reboot and start it up without emulation
Jul 19 18:28:55 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if it'll work under vmware
Jul 19 18:29:01 <Zorkman> should have done that in the first place :)
Jul 19 18:29:19 <Zorkman> (yeah, it detected it before, but not now :s.... i'll try in fedora and if it doesn't work i'll stop by again :))
Jul 19 18:29:23 <Zorkman> thanks for the help so far!
Jul 19 18:29:27 <SpeedEvil> Good luck
Jul 19 18:35:04 <bedboi> hi there
Jul 19 18:35:53 <bedboi> is there any usable image for neo 1973?
Jul 19 18:37:10 <bedboi> i mean something with a decent battery life
Jul 19 18:37:10 <bedboi> (more than 3 hours)
Jul 19 18:41:55 <Gnutoo> by the way,is the freerunner with the sd/gps patch good enough in order to get gps traces in order to contribute to openstreetmap?
Jul 19 18:47:15 <Stroller> Does the FR not give a readout of estimated accuracy?
Jul 19 18:47:15 <stephelton> when i run ./autogen according to the toolchain how to on the wiki, i get complaints about "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
Jul 19 18:47:18 <stephelton> If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'."
Jul 19 18:47:42 <stephelton> Stroller: you talking about gps?
Jul 19 18:48:08 <Stroller> stephelton: Yes, in response to Gnutoo's question
Jul 19 18:48:33 <Zorkman> i'm using fedora9 and trying to flash my freerunner
Jul 19 18:48:47 <Zorkman> i can't get fedora to recognize my freerunner when i enter nor boot
Jul 19 18:48:59 <Zorkman> i tried the ifconfig command, but i do not have ifconfig
Jul 19 18:49:04 <Zorkman> yum install ifconfig does also not work
Jul 19 18:49:13 <stephelton> Stroller: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Release-Notes
Jul 19 18:49:15 <retracile> Zorkman: I think you're on the wrong track there...
Jul 19 18:49:28 <Stroller> Garmin GPSs that I've had in the past would first say "acquiring" then "3 satellites - accuracy 80 metres" (or whatever) then "8 satellites acquired - accuracy 3 metres"
Jul 19 18:49:34 <stephelton> the last number in the tangoGPS ui at the bottom right indicates accuracy
Jul 19 18:49:40 <retracile> Zorkman: Boot into NOR, then plugin the USB port, then run dfu-util.
Jul 19 18:49:49 <Zorkman> how come Stroller? the wiki says i need to ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Jul 19 18:50:30 <retracile> Zorkman: that's for networking with the FR, not for flashing the FR.
Jul 19 18:50:52 <Zorkman> but if i try th tfu-util i get : No DFU capable USB device found
Jul 19 18:51:04 <bobkare> Stroller: Read up on DOP, gps accuracy isn't as simple as saying "it's within xx meters"
Jul 19 18:51:05 <Zorkman> freerunner is connected with via usb and booted into NOR
Jul 19 18:51:09 <smooth_penguin> Zorkman, are you root?
Jul 19 18:51:09 <retracile> Zorkman: Did you take the steps above in that order?
Jul 19 18:51:18 <smooth_penguin> run whoami
Jul 19 18:51:19 <Zorkman> yes i am root
Jul 19 18:51:26 <Zorkman> (i did su and entered password)
Jul 19 18:51:29 <Stroller> bobkare: that's why I said "estimated" in a previous message
Jul 19 18:51:49 <retracile> Zorkman: Try 'su -' instead.... you apparently don't have ifconfig in your $PATH.  root's env will.
Jul 19 18:51:57 <Stroller> anyway, stephelton has answered Gnutoo's question with that last link
Jul 19 18:52:12 <Gnutoo> thanks for the answer...
Jul 19 18:54:38 <kai> hi
Jul 19 18:54:45 <Stroller> hai, kai !
Jul 19 18:54:46 <kai> jemand  bock auf nen  funny cod2
Jul 19 18:54:48 <Gnutoo> stephelton, use something that cope with theses problems such as openembedded...
Jul 19 18:54:57 <Gnutoo> s/cope/can cope
Jul 19 18:55:02 <kai> was?
Jul 19 18:55:12 <stephelton> Gnutoo: cope with what problems?
Jul 19 18:55:13 <kai> >	s/cope/can cope
Jul 19 18:55:25 <Zorkman> retracile if i do it with su - i have ifconfig, but when i try to ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 i get Warning: cannot bind to specified iface, falling back: No such device
Jul 19 18:55:38 <kai> redet  deutsch
Jul 19 18:56:09 <Zorkman> i just want to flash to latest uboot and kernel and the asu but it still seems not to detect my device
Jul 19 18:56:19 <Zorkman> (I"m running linux from an usb hd, maybe that can influence it?)
Jul 19 18:56:37 <retracile> Zorkman: usb networking is irrelevant for flashing...
Jul 19 18:56:57 <Zorkman> ok, but i still keep getting No DFU capable USB device found
Jul 19 18:57:01 <retracile> Zorkman: 1) boot FR into NOR, 2) plug FR into USB port 3) run dfu-util.  in that order.
Jul 19 18:57:03 <Zorkman> when i try dfu-til
Jul 19 18:57:06 <Gnutoo> stephelton,that problem: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs"
Jul 19 18:57:19 <vpv> Zorkman: do you run dfu-util as root?
Jul 19 18:57:19 <retracile> Zorkman: unplug the usb cable and try again.
Jul 19 18:57:35 <Zorkman> yes
Jul 19 18:57:38 <Zorkman> and i did it in that order
Jul 19 18:57:38 <stephelton> Gnutoo: ah yes, that. what exactly are you suggesting?
Jul 19 18:57:44 <Gnutoo> stephelton, if i understood well it compiles something and trys to run it
Jul 19 18:57:48 <Zorkman> with su and also with su-
Jul 19 18:58:07 <retracile> Zorkman: and the NOR boot menu is displayed on the FR screen?
Jul 19 18:58:07 <Zorkman> i type: [root@localhost dfu-util]# ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin
Jul 19 18:58:11 <Zorkman> jup
Jul 19 18:58:15 <stephelton> Gnutoo: no, this is when running autogen. i'm probably missing a configuration or env variable or something to that effect...
Jul 19 18:58:16 <retracile> Zorkman: hrm.... 
Jul 19 18:58:17 <Zorkman> it says so on the screen
Jul 19 18:58:17 <Gnutoo> stephelton, openembedded uses qemu in order to cope with that...so simply make a bitbake file
Jul 19 18:58:32 <stephelton> ah
Jul 19 18:58:33 <Gnutoo> stephelton, ah or sorry...so i don't know
Jul 19 18:58:35 <sparrow> Howdy Folks.  I am running into an issue with a my new freerunner.  When I start the dailer and make a call, it starts the process and then crashes without completeing the call.   It also does not take incoming calls.  Any ideas where I should start?
Jul 19 18:59:50 <sparrow> I have updated the phone using the "The getting started guide", and the phone does seem to be registered.
Jul 19 19:00:17 <retracile> Zorkman: I'm afraid you've hit the limits of what I currently know. :/  I'm running Fedora8 here, and it works as described.
Jul 19 19:00:28 <Zorkman> thanks retracile...
Jul 19 19:00:44 <vpv> Zorkman: you could try unplugging the phone, doing "tail -f /var/log/messages" as root on another console window and then plugging the phone back in again (while the phone is in uboot)
Jul 19 19:00:57 <vpv> it works with Fedora 9 here as well
Jul 19 19:01:15 <Zorkman> vpv where do i type that tail message? in the terminal?
Jul 19 19:01:22 <mw|> stephelton: dfu-util doesn't find the usb-device ?
Jul 19 19:01:27 <Zorkman> nope
Jul 19 19:01:46 <mw|> unplug the phone during reboot, is my big tip
Jul 19 19:01:47 <vpv> Zorkman: yes, you may want to have two terminal windows open, so you can try dfu-util on the other
Jul 19 19:01:53 <Zorkman> (i get errors btw when i run tail -f /var/log/messages)
Jul 19 19:02:11 <Zorkman> i already have two of them open i'll close and try again from scratch
Jul 19 19:02:21 <Zorkman> both root?
Jul 19 19:02:34 <retracile> 'opkg update' is failing with 'Signature check failed' messages, and  * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404.  Did I miss something? (I can ping that host)
Jul 19 19:02:34 <vpv> Zorkman: it should just show you the latest logs. yeah, both root is probably good.
Jul 19 19:02:42 <Zorkman> with su or with su-?
Jul 19 19:02:48 <mw|> retracile: ignore the 404 errors on signatures
Jul 19 19:02:48 <Zorkman> (sorry i am really, really new to linux)
Jul 19 19:02:49 <Stroller> retracile: that's fine
Jul 19 19:03:01 <vpv> Zorkman: su -, so you'll have root's path set
Jul 19 19:03:05 <ancient123> so are the gps/sd patches in stable now?
Jul 19 19:03:06 <Stroller> retracile: just run 'opkg upgrade'
Jul 19 19:03:20 <retracile> o_O
Jul 19 19:03:48 <Zorkman> i get a lot of info and errors when i run tail -f /var/log/messages
Jul 19 19:04:00 <vpv> Zorkman: the tail command will just show you the latest logs and you can maybe find out what the logs say when you plug in the phone
Jul 19 19:04:08 <Zorkman> ok, thanks
Jul 19 19:06:14 <Zorkman> ok, i did all that, what now?
Jul 19 19:07:01 <vpv> Zorkman: this is one of the log lines I see, "usb 4-2: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12"
Jul 19 19:07:24 <vpv> can you see anything like that? that would mean that the kernel recognized the Neo
Jul 19 19:07:25 <Zorkman> nope, nothing here, only error messages about pulseaudio and console-kit-daemon
Jul 19 19:08:02 <Zorkman> (also about hcid and gconfd)
Jul 19 19:08:21 <mw|> vpv: type mount, and tell me if you have /proc/bus/usb   mounted (as usbfs)
Jul 19 19:08:24 <Zorkman> can the fact that i run this linus distro from and external usb-hd influence it?
Jul 19 19:08:55 <vpv> mw|: no
Jul 19 19:09:38 <mw|> vpv: test this (as root)   mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb
Jul 19 19:10:09 <mw|> (I'm not sure if dfu-util depends on the new or old schem of usb-userspace. if the old scheme, that mount is needed)
Jul 19 19:10:47 <vpv> mw|: I'm not the one having problems with dfu-utils, it works fine here
Jul 19 19:11:15 <mw|> aaah
Jul 19 19:11:21 <mw|> me bad :-p
Jul 19 19:11:33 <Zorkman> another question: is it normal that the usb connector is not a very tight fit? i can wiggle it a bit around?
Jul 19 19:13:07 <Zorkman> woohoo, it recognizes it now!
Jul 19 19:13:45 <Zorkman> i typed ./dfu-util -a uboot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin and got the error No such Alternate Setting: "uboot"
Jul 19 19:14:14 <Zorkman> what do i have to type? the wiki says ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin
Jul 19 19:14:30 <Zorkman> but this cant be right because i want to flash uboot, not the kernel
Jul 19 19:14:53 * retracile thought you needed to use the debug JTAG board to flash uboot...
Jul 19 19:15:11 <retracile> Zorkman: why do you want to flash uboot?
Jul 19 19:15:30 <lpotter>  try dfu-util -a 1
Jul 19 19:15:36 <Zorkman> you only need a debug board to flash NAND if I recall correctly
Jul 19 19:15:45 <retracile> ah
Jul 19 19:16:05 <Zorkman> i just want to update uboot to be up to date... it has new patched i read on the mailinlist so you can boot up and charge the phone with an empty battery
Jul 19 19:16:33 <Zorkman> lpotter you mean ./dfu-util -a 1 -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ?
Jul 19 19:16:41 <lpotter> after that flashes you should be able to use named aprtitions
Jul 19 19:16:45 <lpotter> yes
Jul 19 19:17:03 <balrog-k1n> try to not use partition numbers directly
Jul 19 19:17:13 <Zorkman> yes! thanks lpotter
Jul 19 19:17:20 <balrog-k1n> -a u-boot should work as well
Jul 19 19:17:39 <Zorkman> so now my uboot is up to date and i can reboot in bor and flash the newest kernel and file system?
Jul 19 19:17:55 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03werner * r4541 10/developers/werner/tpc/ (. tpc.fig tpc.ps): Test-point connector proposal.
Jul 19 19:19:38 <Zorkman> can anybody recommend an immage?
Jul 19 19:20:19 <lpotter> try the qtopia image at qtopia.net :)
Jul 19 19:20:37 <Zorkman> hehe :)
Jul 19 19:20:44 <Zorkman> why am i not surpised you say that :)
Jul 19 19:20:52 <Zorkman> does the gps work with the latest qtopia?
Jul 19 19:20:57 <lpotter> because I am not biased
Jul 19 19:21:14 <Zorkman> (and does it have the patches concerning the sd card?)
Jul 19 19:21:17 <lpotter> i have not done any gps "fixes"
Jul 19 19:21:31 <Zorkman> (i want to try them all so i might as well begin with qtopia :))
Jul 19 19:21:58 <lpotter> oh then try the others first and then try qtopia
Jul 19 19:22:18 <Zorkman> ok...
Jul 19 19:22:38 <Zorkman> should i get the latest build or a a latest stable release? (there used to be stable ones, but i can't find them now...)
Jul 19 19:25:01 <vpv> Zorkman: The gps/sd card fixes should be in the kernel, so if you use the latest openmoko kernel with the qtopia.net rootfs image, it should be fine. I have not tested a recent openmoko kernel with qtopia myself, though.
Jul 19 19:25:30 <retracile> Ok, so let's say that I want to go look at how multitap-pad is implemented.  How do I go from packagename to a copy of the source?
Jul 19 19:25:34 <lpotter> exceeept then you wont haveeee mwesters suspend fixes
Jul 19 19:26:20 <alx_> retracile, bitbake -c devshell <packagename>
Jul 19 19:26:38 <Zorkman> openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2    is this the ASU?
Jul 19 19:26:52 <Zorkman> or is it openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2  ?
Jul 19 19:26:54 <retracile> alx_: ok... I see I have some more terms to learn. ;)
Jul 19 19:27:02 <alx_> retracile, me too
Jul 19 19:27:09 <alx_> I learned this 8 hours ago
Jul 19 19:27:12 <alx_> eheh
Jul 19 19:27:38 <retracile> alx_: heh.  :)  In that case, do you have the link you learned from handy?
Jul 19 19:27:45 <alx_> this download source, unpack, apply patches and open a shell inside the copy of the source
Jul 19 19:27:54 <alx_> retracile, you're where I learnt
Jul 19 19:27:57 <alx_> here
Jul 19 19:28:17 <alx_> retracile, now I'm going to do a full immersion of bitbake and OE
Jul 19 19:29:08 <alx_> because, as far as I get OpenMoko is based on OE, which uses BitBake (a rework of the gentoo portage scheme)
Jul 19 19:29:28 <alx_> BitBake uses the same concepts behind gentoo portage
Jul 19 19:30:36 <Zorkman> I succesfully flashed uboot but it stil says "may 9 2008", is this normal?
Jul 19 19:30:52 <Zorkman> uboot 1.3.25-moko12
Jul 19 19:30:59 <Zorkman> 1.3.2 imean
Jul 19 19:33:19 <vpv> Zorkman: that's probably the NOR uboot. AFAIK you can only flash the NAND uboot.
Jul 19 19:33:51 <alx_> ehm... I'm having troubles with my debug board
Jul 19 19:33:56 <Zorkman> you're right, i got confused, thanks very much!
Jul 19 19:34:04 <alx_> may someone help me ? 
Jul 19 19:34:10 <retracile> alx_: I presume that bitbake is on your dev pc, not on the phone directly?
Jul 19 19:34:26 <retracile> alx_: I haven't tried out my dboard yet.
Jul 19 19:34:28 <alx_> retracile, you got the point, BitBake is used to compile ipk
Jul 19 19:34:38 <alx_> create jffs2 images
Jul 19 19:34:43 <alx_> and all that suff
Jul 19 19:34:44 <alx_> stuff
Jul 19 19:34:51 <retracile> 'k.
Jul 19 19:34:57 <alx_> I suggest to configure your enviroment with MokoMakefile at first
Jul 19 19:35:09 <alx_> then a simple source ./setup-env
Jul 19 19:35:17 <alx_> and you're ready to work with bitbake
Jul 19 19:35:28 <nomeata> retracile: it can also create the package lists so that you can start a webserver on your dev pc and use opkg upgrade to update your builds
Jul 19 19:36:14 <retracile> great!
Jul 19 19:38:14 <Blastur> hmm.. anyone know a good (efficient) way to determine if a byte (8 bits) contains a majority of ones?
Jul 19 19:39:18 <retracile> Blastur: yeah.  I'm curious about the usecase though
Jul 19 19:39:38 <ikjh> Blastur: Use the byte as an offset into a list of precalculated answers?
Jul 19 19:40:01 <Blastur> retracile, what is it? 
Jul 19 19:40:11 <balrog-k1n> yeah i guess that's the most efficient way
Jul 19 19:40:33 <retracile> Blastur: x & (x-1) removes the least significant 1 bit
Jul 19 19:41:13 <Blastur> okay..? :) 
Jul 19 19:41:54 <Blastur> does that help me?
Jul 19 19:41:59 <Blastur> *confused*
Jul 19 19:42:45 <retracile> Blastur: if x == 0, you have no 1's left; count how many ones are present.  Since you only need to know if there are >4, you can break before hitting 0.
Jul 19 19:43:05 <retracile> Blastur: but again, what's the use case?  Are you needing to do this once, or a bunch of times, or what?
Jul 19 19:43:09 <ikjh> Blastur: http://infolab.stanford.edu/~manku/bitcount/bitcount.html has some examples for different use cases. retracile's suggestion is one of them. So is mine.
Jul 19 19:43:32 <retracile> Blastur: And ikjh's and my suggestions are not mutually exclusive...
Jul 19 19:43:35 <ikjh> Although that counts all bits. Maybe there is a shortcut for "majority of ones" .
Jul 19 19:44:17 <Blastur> okay, thanks.. the usecase is to do a kind of error correction; basically put all data eight times, bitwise.. and then to find the bit, you read 1 byte and check majority 
Jul 19 19:45:04 <Blastur> (if you store bootcode on really crappy flash ..)
Jul 19 19:45:28 <Blastur> like, nowadays, manufacturers dont even promise the first blocks to be solid
Jul 19 19:45:51 <retracile> Blastur: I suspect you'd be better off doing a "real" error correcting code, but I haven't dug into it...
Jul 19 19:46:49 <Blastur> well, the problem is we have really limited memory for the code that does the error correcting.. so ECC won't cut it, unless we put in ECC hardware
Jul 19 19:47:26 <Blastur> it's a very peculiar problem :)
Jul 19 19:48:42 <Blastur> brb
Jul 19 19:54:38 <retracile> Uhm... I  just tried to fix a typo on wiki.openmoko.org, and I got a Database error.... who needs to know about that?
Jul 19 20:03:00 <Zorkman> I flashed openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 but when i click on exposure nothing happens
Jul 19 20:07:29 <retracile> Zorkman: that image didn't seem very functional when I tried it....
Jul 19 20:14:56 <Zorkman> retracile, what is the latest stable ASU build then? (same for 2007.2 image)
Jul 19 20:15:23 <retracile> Zorkman: I'm not sure... I tried the nightly builds from yesterday.
Jul 19 20:15:40 <retracile> My understanding was that the ASU isn't very far along at the moment.
Jul 19 20:16:06 <Zorkman> i also noticed it :)
Jul 19 20:16:25 <Zorkman> is there a recommended  2007.2 image?
Jul 19 20:16:38 <edistar> Zorkman: not really
Jul 19 20:16:46 <edistar> Zorkman: just try the latest buildhost image
Jul 19 20:18:15 <Zorkman> ok, thanks everyone
Jul 19 20:20:22 <dcordes> XorA|gone: ping
Jul 19 20:20:34 <Zorkman> question: where can i find the 2007.2 images? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ only has very old images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/
Jul 19 20:22:32 <Stroller> Zorkman: my broswer's on a go-slow right now. Try searching for "daily builds"
Jul 19 20:23:01 <aggtrfrad> anyone run debian on freerunner?
Jul 19 20:23:57 <Zorkman> Stroller, what will the filenames look like?
Jul 19 20:24:12 <Zorkman> because there is only daily/freerunner and daily/1973
Jul 19 20:25:04 <retracile> Zorkman: it has 'devel' in the filename instead of 'qtopia-x11'
Jul 19 20:25:11 <Zorkman> ah, perfect, thanks
Jul 19 20:28:50 <peepsalot> after installing tangogps, and enabling gps, is there more I need to do before getting a first fix?  i can't even tell if it's looking for one
Jul 19 20:29:48 <tessier> peepsalot: turn on the gps
Jul 19 20:29:53 <tessier> peepsalot: go outside
Jul 19 20:29:56 <tessier> peepsalot: wait
Jul 19 20:31:59 <carrar> Nice, new sim was free
Jul 19 20:32:31 <bobkare> peepsalot: have you configured gpsd?
Jul 19 20:32:58 <peepsalot> no, i guess not
Jul 19 20:33:19 <bobkare> there are instructions on the wiki, you have to change something in /etc/default/gpsd
Jul 19 20:36:10 <dcordes> mickey|away: ping
Jul 19 20:37:20 <peepsalot> bobkare, there is no /etc/default/gpsd on my device
Jul 19 20:37:44 <bobkare> peepsalot: have you installed gpsd?
Jul 19 20:39:02 <peepsalot> ah, no.  i assumed it would be there already, considering there are menu options to turn on GPS antenna
Jul 19 20:39:38 <Stroller> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS
Jul 19 20:41:10 <|Marco|> hum.. rart, fikk brukt den interne gps'en for første gang idag... "varmet den opp" med ekstern antenne så endte den faktisk opp med å holde fix'en :D har aldri greid det før
Jul 19 20:41:58 <bobkare> |Marco|: perhaps try in english on the english channel? :)
Jul 19 20:42:06 <|Marco|> crap, sorry
Jul 19 20:42:16 <peepsalot> does /etc/resolv.conf get overwritten on every boot?
Jul 19 20:42:35 <bobkare> |Marco|: have you tried the gps without the sd card btw?
Jul 19 20:43:11 <|Marco|> jepp, that's what I ment, it worked with the micro sd card and the sim card
Jul 19 20:43:40 <|Marco|> I sortof warmed it up with an eksternal antenna
Jul 19 20:44:02 <bobkare> ok, so with the external antenna you could use it with the sd card in?
Jul 19 20:44:41 <bobkare> but have you gotten fixes with just the internal antenna? taking out the sd card should help
Jul 19 20:45:43 <|Marco|> I got the fix with the eksternal antenna, yanked it out, and managed to hold the fix
Jul 19 20:45:53 <|Marco|> with the internal antenna
Jul 19 20:45:56 <kd8ikt> newer kernels have an SD card clk fix 
Jul 19 20:45:59 <bobkare> yeah, i under stood that
Jul 19 20:46:03 <bobkare> *understood
Jul 19 20:46:13 <|Marco|> kd8ikt: I heard that
Jul 19 20:46:18 <|Marco|> bobkare: okiday
Jul 19 20:46:24 <bedboi> what about power management in new kernels ? any improvements?
Jul 19 20:46:41 <bobkare> |Marco|: you could just try yanking out the sd card and see if you get a fix on the internal antenna then
Jul 19 20:47:01 <kd8ikt> though i'm having a small prob tangogps is frezing on the llatest dev image
Jul 19 20:47:25 <kd8ikt> think its having probs connecting to gpsd
Jul 19 20:47:50 <|Marco|> bobkare: I did, didn't helt
Jul 19 20:48:02 <|Marco|> bedboi: dont know
Jul 19 20:48:14 <bobkare> hm, seems you have a worse hw problem then :/
Jul 19 20:48:32 <|Marco|> well.. I need to test some stuff first
Jul 19 20:48:54 <kd8ikt> with full power management, after about 5-10min asleep it doesnt want to wake up 
Jul 19 20:49:17 * kd8ikt hasnt tried manually using apm -s
Jul 19 20:49:43 <mw|> |Marco|: you hungry btw? I can pick you up, and we can do some GPS testing here
Jul 19 20:50:03 <|Marco|> mw|: where is "here" ?
Jul 19 20:50:22 <|Marco|> oooh, mw| do you have "canned air" ?
Jul 19 20:51:02 <|Marco|> it seems like one of my ddr slots has crap inn it or somthing, since the mem chip that tested defect is testing clean in a diffrent slot now
Jul 19 20:51:06 <mw|> |Marco|: there is still pressure on the compressor, so yes (I can't run the compressor more today, since it is tolate, it will wake up the other neighbours)
Jul 19 20:51:21 <|Marco|> uuuum...
Jul 19 20:51:32 <SpeedEvil> |Marco|: rip open a biro, and blow through the tube.
Jul 19 20:51:41 <mw|> but should be enough air (big tank on it)
Jul 19 20:51:50 <|Marco|> spit rests on the ddr slot ? I think not :D
Jul 19 20:52:00 <|Marco|> mw|: hehehe
Jul 19 20:52:02 <SpeedEvil> You don't gob in the tube.
Jul 19 20:52:09 <|Marco|> SpeedEvil: neh :D
Jul 19 20:52:40 <mw|> |Marco|: use compressed metan, and ignite it.. should give you a blow that removes dust :-p
Jul 19 20:53:11 <|Marco|> anyway, eather it's dust/gunk or somthing in the slot or there is a pin issue on ddr slot nr 2 on my main board
Jul 19 20:53:21 <|Marco|> mw|: dork :D
Jul 19 20:53:31 <mw|> |Marco|: or broken copper-connection on the pcb
Jul 19 20:53:34 <|Marco|> and burnt dust is better ??
Jul 19 20:53:42 <mw|> |Marco|: it is more fun
Jul 19 20:53:50 <|Marco|> mw|: jepp, I'm guessing it's somthing like that
Jul 19 20:54:07 <|Marco|> mw|: yeah.. but it also fries more components :D
Jul 19 20:54:26 <|Marco|> second pass on the memtest nom is at 40% and is still clean sofar
Jul 19 20:54:36 <retracile> alx_: Did 'make setup' spend a long time on "A    trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/g_ether-highpower.patch" ?
Jul 19 20:55:01 <mw|> retracile: shouldn't do
Jul 19 20:55:16 <retracile> mw|: 'k, I'll try killing it..
Jul 19 20:56:17 <retracile> looks like it's off and running again... and completed.  cool.
Jul 19 20:58:16 <Dave> :)
Jul 19 20:58:47 <|Marco|> CRAP, there the first defect popped up :(
Jul 19 20:59:42 * |Marco| curses defect ram chips
Jul 19 21:04:34 <malik1972> lpotter: ping
Jul 19 21:05:17 <lpotter> malik1972: pong
Jul 19 21:05:46 <malik1972> lpotter: hi, tried some packages in the 4.3.2 feed
Jul 19 21:06:10 <lpotter> hmmm
Jul 19 21:06:26 <malik1972> lpotter: filemanager and scribble is usable
Jul 19 21:06:43 <lpotter> ya the games are not
Jul 19 21:06:51 <lpotter> i have a few others to add
Jul 19 21:07:02 <malik1972> an icon for scribble is missing
Jul 19 21:07:30 <malik1972> and the screenshot packages is not found by the packetmanager
Jul 19 21:07:33 <lpotter> ya thats fixed when I update it next
Jul 19 21:08:04 <malik1972> another issue
Jul 19 21:08:39 <malik1972> setting telephone pin does not work anymore for me
Jul 19 21:08:59 <kd8ikt> yeah i have like 4 badblocks
Jul 19 21:10:08 <soulchild> Hi all,...
Jul 19 21:10:10 <malik1972> lpotter: qtopia cant change it ... maybe i want something different, locking screen -> pin
Jul 19 21:10:24 <lpotter> hmmm ok
Jul 19 21:10:37 <soulchild> I am interested in that freerunner phone, what's the first impression ? 
Jul 19 21:10:38 <retracile> With MokoMakefile, do I have to do a build of the entire image before I can build a single package?
Jul 19 21:10:42 <malik1972> that was possible
Jul 19 21:10:57 <MadTBone> what is the benefit of flashing a new uboot...other than for customization?
Jul 19 21:11:11 <malik1972> maybe i forgot where i changed it, i thought it was "security"
Jul 19 21:11:35 <retracile> MadTBone: there was some talk earlier about a fix for booting with a dead (or absent?) battery...
Jul 19 21:12:22 <lpotter> malik1972:  thats where the sim pin lock is. 
Jul 19 21:12:27 <lpotter> I will look into that
Jul 19 21:13:15 <edistar> can anyone give me the link to a patch for neod? or an ipk?
Jul 19 21:14:03 <malik1972> lpotter: can i import contact files etc?
Jul 19 21:14:15 <kd8ikt> hey is gllin needed for freerunner? (gps console app) 
Jul 19 21:14:51 <kd8ikt> maybe thats why tangogps wasnt working for me
Jul 19 21:15:00 <lpotter> malik1972: from the sim
Jul 19 21:15:11 <bobkare> kd8ikt: noe, gllin is only for gta01
Jul 19 21:15:42 <mw|> kd8ikt: you need to have gpsd running (I think)
Jul 19 21:15:48 <kd8ikt> it was
Jul 19 21:15:49 <mw|> and GPS-atenna must be powered up
Jul 19 21:15:58 <bobkare> kd8ikt: have a look at agpsui and see if that works. if that works but not tangogps make sure gpsd is installed and correctly configured
Jul 19 21:16:03 <kd8ikt> but still tango should work without gps connection
Jul 19 21:16:10 <kd8ikt> it was freezing on me
Jul 19 21:16:14 <mw|> on 0.9.2 I have to enter configure and hit "reconnect to gpsd"
Jul 19 21:16:17 <kd8ikt> (latest dev image)
Jul 19 21:16:20 <malik1972> lpotter: i had a look at the rootfs, is it possible to do a kind of backup which keeps my settings 
Jul 19 21:16:39 <kd8ikt> i couldnt do anything in tango it would freeze at start
Jul 19 21:16:52 <kd8ikt> <couldnt move map or click config>
Jul 19 21:16:53 <malik1972> lpotter: is /home/root sufficient?
Jul 19 21:17:12 <lpotter> malik1972: yes. just tar up /home/root/Settings Applications Documents
Jul 19 21:17:52 <malik1972> lpotter: thats good
Jul 19 21:18:22 <Zorkman> how to change the time with the 2007.2 image?
Jul 19 21:18:39 <malik1972> Zorkman: date on console
Jul 19 21:20:48 <Zorkman> i wish i could make some gui's for all this...
Jul 19 21:21:10 <malik1972> Zorkman: there shoul be guis for that!
Jul 19 21:21:45 <Zorkman> i presume it will not take very long because it seems to me very simple (if one knows how to program it :))
Jul 19 21:22:11 <Zorkman> actionscript and java is the only thing I can do, I'm new at everything in linux, the terminal is getting very abused by me )
Jul 19 21:23:00 <malik1972> lpotter: can you give an outlook, in which direction qtopia will go, what are your next steps concerning qtopia on freerunner ...
Jul 19 21:23:29 <lpotter> 4.4 :)
Jul 19 21:23:50 <malik1972> lpotter: what is new in 4.4?
Jul 19 21:24:08 <malik1972> lpotter: any release dates or infos?
Jul 19 21:24:12 <lpotter> webkit
Jul 19 21:25:27 <malik1972> okay, a browser is missing right
Jul 19 21:25:55 <malik1972> wlan handling, primitive gps app
Jul 19 21:26:18 <lpotter> wlan works in 4.3
Jul 19 21:26:30 <malik1972> wpa2 also?
Jul 19 21:26:51 <lpotter> thats the systems bug
Jul 19 21:27:22 <malik1972> how can i configure it, the differnt tools give me wap configs and so on
Jul 19 21:28:20 <malik1972> with wpa_supplicant.conf
Jul 19 21:28:32 <lpotter> it wont work
Jul 19 21:28:51 <lpotter> just use the internet settings app
Jul 19 21:29:45 <malik1972> found it
Jul 19 21:35:33 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r8dff3afd7fef 10/ (data/themes/zhone_location.edc src/zhone): use evas to display a bargraph for gps signal strength
Jul 19 21:36:25 <owen1> what do you think of this video review of openmoko? http://www.vimeo.com/1366923
Jul 19 21:36:50 <kd8ikt> great but not enough T&A
Jul 19 21:37:15 <malik1972> lpotter: how can i access ! with the keyboard?
Jul 19 21:37:35 <malik1972> okay
Jul 19 21:38:45 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * raef7d5267ed5 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_message.edc): use static font sizes to improve performance
Jul 19 21:38:50 <safire> hey all, quick question - does opkg work with ASU?
Jul 19 21:40:55 <almien> owen1: someone thinks it's competing with iphone on finishedness? wtf?
Jul 19 21:41:38 <sparrow> Does anyone have any experience with debugging sim cards and connections to providers?
Jul 19 21:42:17 <retracile> sparrow: only enough to realize I'd put mine in the wrong way...
Jul 19 21:42:26 <sparrow> =)
Jul 19 21:42:41 <safire> sparrow: just a tad -- have you tried libgsm-tool?
Jul 19 21:42:55 <owen1> almien: you're right, but it good to listen to criticism
Jul 19 21:43:00 <sparrow> I am getting a registration with the provider, but not being permitted to dial out. 
Jul 19 21:43:12 <sparrow> safire - Yeah, here is the output:
Jul 19 21:43:26 <sparrow> # Dial 4166036556
Jul 19 21:43:26 <sparrow> RSTR=`OK'
Jul 19 21:43:26 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN
Jul 19 21:43:26 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT
Jul 19 21:43:26 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE
Jul 19 21:43:27 <sparrow> EVENT: Signal Quality: 25
Jul 19 21:43:56 <almien> owen1: haven't played with it enough to get involved in that debate yet - I'm just using it as a programmable GPS
Jul 19 21:43:58 <safire> so "r" gives you a successful registration?  that's where i got stuck, registeration denied
Jul 19 21:44:43 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r40fbde234409 10/src/zhone: use the left gps page by default
Jul 19 21:45:00 <almien> though I've already missed a few phone calls because I assumed that "answer call" would be on right-hand-side of screen, and openmoko puts "drop the call" button there
Jul 19 21:45:01 <sparrow> safire - Sec, giving it a try
Jul 19 21:45:40 <almien> without any red/green icons either - everything is amber in openmoko
Jul 19 21:46:43 <trix> owen1, a video critique of either qtopia or asu seems a bit silly at this point, but i suppose it might save people the trouble of installing either and expecting a consumer-ready os
Jul 19 21:48:07 <owen1> trix: this video will delay the purchase of freerunner by majority of non-developers that thought about buying it.
Jul 19 21:48:42 <safire> in the daily images directory -- is the .tar.gz file just a compressed version of the jffs2 file?
Jul 19 21:49:06 <safire> want to give ASU a try, see if it's a little better than stock 2007.2 image
Jul 19 21:49:39 <mjr> no, it's a compressed tar archive
Jul 19 21:49:46 <swc|666> has anyone got a USB wifi dongle to run on the FR? I built a kernel with all of the needed support for the rt73, bought a mini B OTG connector and a powered hub and yet it seems the card doent get power (?)
Jul 19 21:49:55 <trix> owen1: i believe the dialer works regardless of which os you throw on it. it has always been a phone for developers.
Jul 19 21:50:51 <safire> mjr: whats in the archive, though?  (i'm downloading now, so i'll see soon enough ...)
Jul 19 21:52:02 <mjr> the same files as in the filesystem image
Jul 19 21:52:03 <sparrow> safire - Hmmm, still has not registered.
Jul 19 21:53:19 <safire> so jffs2 is the kernel, tar.gz is the root fs?
Jul 19 21:54:17 <ieatlint> jffs2 is the rootfs
Jul 19 21:54:21 <trix> owen1, i'm just now creating a script to run between firmware upgrades to restore my settings, wifi config, contacts and some basic ui changes. overall i love the freerunner and the doors it is opening up. issues like call quality and ear-hangups will be addressed soon i bet. 
Jul 19 21:54:22 <ieatlint> the uimage.bin is the kernel
Jul 19 21:55:02 <zilux> there was just a post about text mode web browser in 2007.2: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022778.html
Jul 19 21:55:02 <safire> also, do you know the diff between the openmoko-qtopia-x11... and the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11... image?
Jul 19 21:55:21 <zilux> if a package is missing in the openmoko repository but present in openembedde is there a way to complete the opkg source list?
Jul 19 21:57:26 <zilux> I have just list the freerunner package in 2007.2, and some of my favorite soft are missing :-)
Jul 19 21:57:48 <zilux> (navit, espeak, speech-dispatcher)
Jul 19 22:00:45 <safire> so, to switch to ASU, do i need a new kernel, or just the jffs2 image?
Jul 19 22:01:22 <igor321> did anyone do a video review of ASU?
Jul 19 22:02:10 <retracile> safire: as I understand it, just the jffs2
Jul 19 22:02:52 <safire> thx, retracile, the wiki is very very vague about what images you need
Jul 19 22:03:36 <retracile> safire: yeah... there's a rather steep learning curve, and I hope I can reduce it... we'll see.
Jul 19 22:05:40 <sparrow> safire - I am not getting any registration by using the r command... It just gives this: 
Jul 19 22:05:49 <sparrow> r
Jul 19 22:05:50 <sparrow> Register
Jul 19 22:05:50 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN
Jul 19 22:05:50 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT
Jul 19 22:05:50 <sparrow> EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE
Jul 19 22:05:54 <sparrow> EVENT: Netreg searching for network 
Jul 19 22:06:16 <sparrow> And does not come back.  Waited about 10minutes. 
Jul 19 22:06:59 <sparrow> But if I power0 off the Antenna, and then power it back on, I getL
Jul 19 22:07:05 <sparrow> Power-On
Jul 19 22:07:06 <sparrow> Modem powered-up okay
Jul 19 22:07:06 <sparrow> EVENT: Netreg searching for network 
Jul 19 22:07:06 <sparrow> EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x1194 CellID = 0x9594 
Jul 19 22:07:24 <sparrow> So, that is registared, right?
Jul 19 22:09:15 <MadTBone> here's a question.... tapping the power button kills the current app... what happens if you tap the power button in a call?
Jul 19 22:09:43 <MadTBone> the dialer should quit....
Jul 19 22:09:52 <MadTBone> but does the call get dropped?
Jul 19 22:09:52 <dTx> It kills the other person
Jul 19 22:10:07 <retracile> dTx: EEeeeeexcellent :)
Jul 19 22:10:10 <safire> sparrow: yep, that looks registered to me, otherwise you'd get denied
Jul 19 22:10:11 <MadTBone> dTx: hmmm....
Jul 19 22:10:20 <retracile> Is there a drawing app available?
Jul 19 22:10:23 <Toaster`> dTx: Similar to xkcd's zealous autoconf?
Jul 19 22:10:27 <Zorkman> i can ping my freerunner but when i type ssh root@192.168.0.202 the terminal does nothing...
Jul 19 22:10:48 <Zorkman> i followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Connect_to_the_Neo_FreeRunner_By_USB_Networking
Jul 19 22:11:04 <almien> Zorkman: is anything else .202?
Jul 19 22:11:17 <dTx> Is your local subnet 192.168.0.*
Jul 19 22:11:17 <dTx> ?
Jul 19 22:11:39 <MadTBone> does it seem like the speaker volume is a bit low (in speakerphone mode, I mean...)
Jul 19 22:11:48 <dTx> Sure does for me
Jul 19 22:11:50 <Zorkman> i'm a newbie, how can i check it? i'm not behind a router, i'm connected via lan through modem, so i guess i'm nog 192.168.0.*?
Jul 19 22:11:57 <owen1> can i ssh into the freerunner and tunnel the X server?
Jul 19 22:12:09 <MadTBone> dTx: was that to me?
Jul 19 22:12:15 <Zorkman> (it's just that i'm not uised to linux so i have to google everything..)
Jul 19 22:12:15 <dTx> MadTBone: yep
Jul 19 22:12:39 <almien> Zorkman: using which OS on your PC>
Jul 19 22:12:54 <MadTBone> dTx: I was just in a call and fiddling with alsamixer...couldn't get spkrphone to go louder
Jul 19 22:12:58 <safire> Zorkman: try "ifconfig" and see what other interfaces are using  - look for "inet addr: "
Jul 19 22:13:01 <Zorkman> fedora9, from an external usb hd
Jul 19 22:13:03 <almien> ifconfig should give you a list of all the net addresses you're using
Jul 19 22:13:16 <dTx> MadTBone: yeah, its kind of odd because I know the speaker can output a lot louder
Jul 19 22:13:58 <Zorkman> i get a few thins: eth0, lo, usb0 and vibr0
Jul 19 22:14:02 <MadTBone> dTx: yeah...I've played music through it at a volume that would have been quite usable for calls
Jul 19 22:14:07 <dTx> MadTBone: Do you know if the audio to and from GSM is hard wired or uses the software to pass it on?
Jul 19 22:14:09 <Zorkman> usb0 is inet6 addr: fe80::387b:73ff:fe94:841f/64 Scope:Link
Jul 19 22:14:11 <almien> the neo anti-chav limitation kicks-in to limit maximum volume ;)
Jul 19 22:14:42 <MadTBone> dTx: well...if you open up alsamixer then start a call, a few of the faders move....
Jul 19 22:14:51 <Zorkman> only virbr0 has something in the 192.168 range: inet addr:192.168.122.1  Bcast:192.168.122.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
Jul 19 22:15:01 <MadTBone> dTx: I assume this is by design...not a bug
Jul 19 22:15:39 <dTx> MadTBone: yeah, but I was just wondering if you can insert some software audio processing if need be in between mic and gsm and gsm and speaker
Jul 19 22:16:06 <safire> Zorkman: that looks good -- if you can ping that's a good sign
Jul 19 22:16:07 <mjr> dTx, you can, the audio is routed through the wolfson codec and you can pretty much route it how you like
Jul 19 22:16:12 <MadTBone> dTx: ahh....I think you should be able to....
Jul 19 22:16:20 <safire> i've seen reference to the need to install "dropbear" manually from terminal on the phone
Jul 19 22:16:23 <mjr> per default it goes direct mic->gsm->earpiece
Jul 19 22:16:24 <Zorkman> i did everything a second thime and now it works...
Jul 19 22:16:25 <safire> dropbear is the ssh server
Jul 19 22:16:26 <MadTBone> mjr: good to know
Jul 19 22:16:42 <Zorkman> safire: it looks like it is ok now, thanks... but didn't do anything new :s
Jul 19 22:17:00 <mjr> But you can route it to the soc instead to do stuff. Either way.
Jul 19 22:17:13 <dTx> mjr: do think there would be much of an impact performance wise piping it through a software pre-amp
Jul 19 22:17:35 <mjr> (per default == the default software does that)
Jul 19 22:17:37 <MadTBone> dTx: shouldn't be a big hit....
Jul 19 22:18:01 <MadTBone> mjr: I think dTx means amping the volume in the SOC
Jul 19 22:18:05 <mjr> I wouldn't presume so, but don't know. Maybe some battery drainage.
Jul 19 22:18:07 <dTx> Right
Jul 19 22:18:34 <dTx> As long as you just use a couple of shl's it probably wouldn't be too bad :-P
Jul 19 22:19:06 <MadTBone> mjr: ....beyond what the wolfson codec will do
Jul 19 22:19:12 <MadTBone> dTx: shl?
Jul 19 22:19:26 <dTx> bit shift left
Jul 19 22:19:28 <dTx> x2
Jul 19 22:19:39 <MadTBone> dTx: ahh, right
Jul 19 22:19:50 <MadTBone> dTx: that should be almost no impact
Jul 19 22:19:52 <dTx> that probably wouldn't actually amply anything correctly though
Jul 19 22:20:22 <dTx> or would it...
Jul 19 22:20:26 <MadTBone> dTx: well, w/ pcm type audio it would
Jul 19 22:20:50 <dTx> of course that is assuming that it is an order of magnitude too quiet
Jul 19 22:20:57 <MadTBone> dTx: I'm not familiar with telephony codecs
Jul 19 22:21:27 <dTx> MadTBone: I'm assuming that what the SOC get access to is just PCM audio
Jul 19 22:21:47 <dTx> I assume
Jul 19 22:22:07 <dTx> But I would think there would be considerably more processor usage though
Jul 19 22:22:32 <dTx> And wonder if it wouldn't hurt the interface responsiveness
Jul 19 22:22:40 <dTx> going from processing no audio to processing all audio
Jul 19 22:23:16 <Zorkman> question: when i type "opg install gpsd" i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2."
Jul 19 22:23:38 <safire> Zorkman: try ping www.yahoo.com, do you get a response?
Jul 19 22:23:42 <MadTBone> dTx: well...unless a transform can be done without decoding to PCM in the SOC, I think that audio would almost need to be decoded first
Jul 19 22:23:45 <mjr> dTx, it would appear as normal digital audio input and output on the soc, yes
Jul 19 22:24:00 <Zorkman> no now i do net get a response, but i used to get one...
Jul 19 22:24:10 <MadTBone> dTx: question answered
Jul 19 22:24:17 <MadTBone> mjr: thanks
Jul 19 22:24:50 <Zorkman> how do I reconnect the freerunner? do i need to close the terminal and start over?
Jul 19 22:25:04 <safire> ssh is dead?
Jul 19 22:25:18 <MadTBone> safire: long live telnet
Jul 19 22:25:34 <Zorkman> i don't think so... when i type root@om-gta02:~# date   i get a response
Jul 19 22:25:37 <safire> MadTBone: lol, who needs that funky security stuff anyway
Jul 19 22:26:10 <safire> Zorkman: don't bother with opkg until you can ping www.yahoo.com
Jul 19 22:26:20 <Zorkman> when i do "opkg install openmoko-browser2" it works, it says it is up to date, but gpsd gives an error
Jul 19 22:26:58 <Zorkman> thank you safire, but how do i fix it so i can ping other adresses?
Jul 19 22:28:08 <safire> Zorkman: check out the wiki on USB Networking to get routing to work - also, here's a page i found useful http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/usb-networking-routing-forwarding-name-resolution/
Jul 19 22:29:12 <ieatlint> well, i got pidgin running on the phone, but it doesn't work too well
Jul 19 22:29:21 <MadTBone> safire: real men don't even use telnet...they tap out an encrypted bit stream using an old telegraph machine
Jul 19 22:29:36 <ieatlint> you can't type in your password (had to hack the xml file it stores it in) and it doesn't show you what you're typing
Jul 19 22:29:50 <ieatlint> MadTBone: actual, no
Jul 19 22:29:59 <edistar> ieatlint: what do you expect ;)
Jul 19 22:30:05 <ieatlint> real men use a homemade battery with a spool of wire to create sparks
Jul 19 22:30:24 <ieatlint> edistar: to see what i'm typing :P
Jul 19 22:30:45 <Zorkman> i already done everything on http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/usb-networking-routing-forwarding-name-resolution/ but no luck....
Jul 19 22:31:16 <safire> Zorkman: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
Jul 19 22:31:27 <Zorkman> on my host pc or on the freerunner?
Jul 19 22:31:57 <MadTBone> dTx: so... the volume slider in the dialer (speakerphone mode) controls "Headphone" in alsamixer ... however, that doesn't seem to affect output level
Jul 19 22:32:15 <safire> on freerunner
Jul 19 22:32:40 <dTx> I click speakerphone off and then on again and it seems to be louder the second time for some reason
Jul 19 22:33:02 <safire> just flashed ASU - rebooting - pray i didn't f something up
Jul 19 22:33:18 <safire> lol -- love the boots
Jul 19 22:33:30 <CVirus> hehe
Jul 19 22:33:40 <MadTBone> dTx: not happening for me...same volume each time
Jul 19 22:33:40 <Zorkman> safire: -sh: resolv.conf: Permission denied
Jul 19 22:33:58 <safire> Z: how about 'cat /etc/resolve.conf'
Jul 19 22:34:05 <safire> (drop the e)
Jul 19 22:34:48 <Zorkman> nameserver 192.168.0.200
Jul 19 22:35:12 <SpeedEvil> dTx: on audio routing. The WM* device has 3 ADCs, and 2 DACs, you can route the GSM audio to/from these flexibly. You then just sample at 8 bits, and transform the signal in the way you want.
Jul 19 22:35:21 <safire> Z: yeah...you'll need to change that
Jul 19 22:35:36 <MadTBone> dTx: also..it seems like pegging the soc processor makes calls drop out
Jul 19 22:35:53 <Zorkman> god i feel stupid: change into my dns?
Jul 19 22:35:56 <MadTBone> SpeedEvil: what's the default routing for voice calls
Jul 19 22:36:10 <safire> Z: as is, it's trying to use your host as the DNS resolver, which it problably is not set up to do
Jul 19 22:36:44 <SpeedEvil> MadTBone: it's in the wiki - ... Neo1973 audio subsystem (freerunner is simila)
Jul 19 22:36:59 <safire> Z: try "echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf"
Jul 19 22:37:04 <MadTBone> SpeedEvil: thanks...heading there now
Jul 19 22:37:10 <safire> Z: thats opendns
Jul 19 22:37:53 <CVirus> how much time does it take the FR to boot recently ?
Jul 19 22:38:11 <linuxxee> yprolly more
Jul 19 22:38:28 <MadTBone> ahhh.... analog to and from GSM modem....
Jul 19 22:38:34 <linuxxee> on the stock kernel?
Jul 19 22:38:47 <SpeedEvil>  np: Sinead O' Conner - Seven hours and fifteen days.
Jul 19 22:39:09 * doc|home hates Sinead O'Connor
Jul 19 22:39:15 <doc|home> gave the rest of us O'Connors a bad name
Jul 19 22:39:40 <retracile> Zorkman: you may also try 'scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/var/run/resolv.conf'
Jul 19 22:39:45 <dTx> MadTBone: yeah it routes directly to/from GSM so there is no processing involved currently.  If I understood correctly
Jul 19 22:39:48 * retracile ejects
Jul 19 22:40:04 <walrustown> hmm I'm having a hard time finding the source for the 2007.2 built-in screen lock program.  can anyone point me in the right direction?
Jul 19 22:40:06 <SpeedEvil> dTx: yup - ATM
Jul 19 22:40:23 <Zorkman> safire: i dit the echo nameserver and it didn't change anything, or do i have to do it on the freerunner?
Jul 19 22:40:52 <safire> Z: sorry...yes that was for the freerunner, not your PC...shouldn't hurt though
Jul 19 22:41:15 <Zorkman> still no ping... bad adress...
Jul 19 22:42:00 <Zorkman> btw: i try to make a file described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking --> fedora -> option (A), but when i try to save it is says i do not have permission to do so...
Jul 19 22:42:06 <dTx> SpeedEvil: so do you think that FreeRunner is powerful enough for realtime audio processing?
Jul 19 22:42:15 <SpeedEvil> dTx: easily
Jul 19 22:42:18 <dTx> Without resorting to ASM?
Jul 19 22:42:22 <SpeedEvil> dTx: at least simple.
Jul 19 22:42:33 <MadTBone> SpeedEvil: 3 ADCs?? ... mic in... GSM in.... and ????   ....  I only see 2 ADCs on the signal flow...
Jul 19 22:42:53 <MadTBone> dTx: asm?
Jul 19 22:42:55 <SpeedEvil> dTx: You can play mp3 at 10* speed or so - that's plenty of power.
Jul 19 22:42:58 <dTx> assembler sorry
Jul 19 22:43:06 <SpeedEvil> MadTBone: maybe I was thinking of DACs
Jul 19 22:43:18 <MadTBone> dTx: ahh..no prob...should have caught that
Jul 19 22:43:24 <dTx> Isn't there a dedicated ADC for bluetooth?
Jul 19 22:43:36 <dTx> wait
Jul 19 22:43:40 <dTx> that doesn't make sense
Jul 19 22:43:41 <MadTBone> dTx: no...bt is digital signal
Jul 19 22:43:45 <dTx> right
Jul 19 22:43:46 <dTx> :-P
Jul 19 22:44:08 <MadTBone> dTx: I mean audio is routed to BT digitally...unlike GSM
Jul 19 22:44:35 <dTx> right
Jul 19 22:44:58 <dTx> can it be routed to GSM digitally or does it have to go to an extra DAC step?
Jul 19 22:45:05 <SpeedEvil> no
Jul 19 22:45:08 <SpeedEvil> analog only
Jul 19 22:45:15 <dTx> ooh
Jul 19 22:45:16 <dTx> really?
Jul 19 22:45:25 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Jul 19 22:45:43 <Zorkman> safire: is it more easy to set up a wireless internet? otherwise i might try that?
Jul 19 22:45:58 <dTx> And that is unchangeable since GSM is on a completely separate SOC right?
Jul 19 22:46:12 <SpeedEvil> dTx: yes
Jul 19 22:46:21 <SpeedEvil> dTx: It's analog in/out only from the GSM module
Jul 19 22:46:51 <dTx> there is an available DAC hooked up to the GSM input right?
Jul 19 22:47:18 <MadTBone> SpeedEvil and dTx...here's something interesting.... take a look at the signal flow on the wiki page....
Jul 19 22:47:45 <MadTBone> HiFi DAC module contains "volume" .... 
Jul 19 22:48:16 <MadTBone> voice codec does not... they do not connect directly
Jul 19 22:48:17 <mjr> (for the interested party, apparently, at least this was said here last year, a gsm chip accepting digital audio i/o would've cost more)
Jul 19 22:48:17 <dTx> HiFi meaning the headphone jack right?
Jul 19 22:48:22 <safire> Z: no, i think yo'd have the same probs with wireless
Jul 19 22:48:45 <mjr> dTx, you can route audio from a dac to the gsm, sure
Jul 19 22:48:46 <safire> Z: so, on the FR, what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" give you right now?
Jul 19 22:48:46 <MadTBone> dTx: looks like HiFi can be routed to any of the analog outs
Jul 19 22:49:46 <Zorkman> safire: nameserver 208.67.222.222
Jul 19 22:49:48 <dTx> MadTBone: oh so there is one DAC with controllable routing?
Jul 19 22:50:05 <safire> Z: ok, now "ping 208.67.222.222"
Jul 19 22:50:06 <SpeedEvil> dTx: all the DACs are configurably routed AIUI
Jul 19 22:50:17 <dTx> ~AIUI
Jul 19 22:50:19 <apt> well, aiui is As I Understand It
Jul 19 22:50:20 <dTx> haha
Jul 19 22:50:24 <Zorkman> safire: it does not work
Jul 19 22:50:24 <dTx> ok
Jul 19 22:50:38 <dTx> never seen that one befeore
Jul 19 22:50:40 <dTx> before
Jul 19 22:50:47 <dTx> s/befeore/before
Jul 19 22:50:47 <safire> Z: ok, then the problem is that your host pc is not routing 
Jul 19 22:50:47 <Zorkman> it just hangs, i will have to to ctrl+c
Jul 19 22:50:54 <mjr> this also makes the mixer insanely complex, but hey, better than not being able to do stuff...
Jul 19 22:50:55 <walrustown> does anyone have an idea of how much work it would be to make SDL work on the FR?
Jul 19 22:50:56 <dTx> argh
Jul 19 22:50:58 <mjr> I think...
Jul 19 22:51:09 <safire> did you do and iptables commands?
Jul 19 22:51:17 <safire> s/and/any/
Jul 19 22:51:18 <apt> safire meant: did you do any iptables commands?
Jul 19 22:51:21 <dTx> walrustown SDL is on there
Jul 19 22:51:22 <Zorkman> yes, several times
Jul 19 22:51:38 <Zorkman> iptables are on host machine, no?
Jul 19 22:51:43 <safire> Z: and "sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
Jul 19 22:51:51 <safire> Z: yes, this is on host
Jul 19 22:52:01 <walrustown> dTx: whoa it is??
Jul 19 22:52:30 <dTx> walrustown: yeah you gotta set up mplayer to -ao sdl -vo sdl to work
Jul 19 22:52:33 <SpeedEvil> walrustown: why do you want sdl?
Jul 19 22:52:44 <MadTBone> dTx: no...looks like all DACs can go to any out... however... looks like the only out from the voice codec bypasses HiFi entirely...goes to dedicated voice DAC
Jul 19 22:52:46 <dTx> that and I am running Kobodeluxe which I believe requires SDL
Jul 19 22:52:47 <Zorkman> i did the echo 1 > ....
Jul 19 22:52:54 <walrustown> SpeedEvil: I'm working on a game
Jul 19 22:52:55 <kd8ikt> hey whats a good kernel for my FR
Jul 19 22:52:56 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Jul 19 22:53:12 <SuN> Try linux!
Jul 19 22:53:20 <walrustown> where can I browse the list of openmoko packages?
Jul 19 22:53:21 <CVirus> lol
Jul 19 22:53:44 <dTx> opkg list
Jul 19 22:54:01 <walrustown> thx
Jul 19 22:54:02 <balrog-kun> SuN: yea i hear they hacked it to run on the FR
Jul 19 22:54:14 <safire> Z: not sure what to do next -- might try starting from scratch, repeat the iptables commands
Jul 19 22:54:33 <SuN> Yeah, hardhack.
Jul 19 22:54:50 <SuN> I heard it requires a 24-stage bootloader that runs from Windows CE.
Jul 19 22:54:57 <dTx> MadTBone: what is the page that shows the audio routing info?
Jul 19 22:55:19 <dTx> I think I've seen it before, but isn't it just for GTA01?
Jul 19 22:55:21 <walrustown> hmm I don't see any packages with sdl in their name
Jul 19 22:55:26 <MadTBone> dTx: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem .... but there's an official datasheet for the wolfson
Jul 19 22:55:32 <SirBob1701> how do you get gpe applications to show up in the menu in the asu?
Jul 19 22:55:46 <edistar> walrustown: you can build sdl with bitbake/OE
Jul 19 22:56:01 <dTx> edistar: is it not included  by default?
Jul 19 22:56:10 <dTx> I use mplayer -ao sdl
Jul 19 22:56:15 <MadTBone> dTx: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/uploads/documents/en/WM8753.pdf
Jul 19 22:56:15 <dTx> and it works
Jul 19 22:56:22 <edistar> dTx: okey
Jul 19 22:56:36 <edistar> libsdl-1.2-0 - 1.2.9-r5 - Simple DirectMedia Layer - X11 Edition
Jul 19 22:56:39 <edistar> that would be it
Jul 19 22:56:46 <edistar> opkg list | grep sdl
Jul 19 22:56:55 <edistar> walrustown: opkg install libsdl-1.2-0
Jul 19 22:56:56 <MadTBone> dTx: I think it's the same for GTA02, except for extra physical speaker
Jul 19 22:57:27 <walrustown> edistar: thank you.  I thought I had done that list command, must have mistyped sdl :)
Jul 19 22:57:40 <Zorkman> safire: I follow http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking and do http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking on the freerunner and get "-sh: nameserver: not found"
Jul 19 22:57:50 <edistar> walrustown: have fun:) beware that sdl is slightly slow..
Jul 19 22:58:16 <Zorkman> but i looked in my /etc/resolv.conf of host machine and this says it is nameserver 208.67.222.222
Jul 19 22:58:53 <walrustown> edistar: would you recommend something else for doing game graphics?
Jul 19 22:59:17 <edistar> walrustown: the best-optimized imho would be evas/edje
Jul 19 22:59:25 <safire> Z: yes, until you can ping 208.67.222.222, then that means your PC is blocking (not routing) the packets from your FR out to the world
Jul 19 22:59:32 <walrustown> edistar: wow, never heard of that... google time!
Jul 19 22:59:46 <edistar> walrustown: it's fun, but there aren't many docs.. nor any tutorial
Jul 19 22:59:48 <edistar> ;0
Jul 19 22:59:49 <edistar> ;)
Jul 19 22:59:55 <edistar> walrustown: do you know enlightenment?
Jul 19 22:59:58 <edistar> (e17)
Jul 19 23:00:17 <safire> got to go, ciao all
Jul 19 23:00:20 <walrustown> edistar: nope
Jul 19 23:00:29 <Zorkman> i need to add gateway 192.168.0.200 to /etc/network/interfaces in the usb0 section how do i do this?
Jul 19 23:00:36 <Zorkman> ok, bye safire, thanks for everything
Jul 19 23:02:49 <dTx> MadTBone: I'm trying to decipher this schematic I'm really bad with that stuff
Jul 19 23:03:47 <peepsalot> any irc clients built for openmoko yet?
Jul 19 23:04:01 <MadTBone> dTx: I think I'm wrong about voice codec bypassing HiFi... I'm referencing the datasheet now.
Jul 19 23:04:32 <dTx> Isn't there a command line client for libpurple (Pidgin's lib)?
Jul 19 23:04:34 <CVirus> peepsalot: I don't think it would be much of a hassle to run irssi on OM
Jul 19 23:05:09 <CVirus> amsn2 > *
Jul 19 23:05:38 <dTx> amsn2 requires dependence on M$FT
Jul 19 23:05:46 <SirBob1701> how do you get gpe applications to show up in the menu in the asu?
Jul 19 23:05:46 <dTx> :-P
Jul 19 23:05:49 <CVirus> !
Jul 19 23:06:12 <peepsalot> i was thinking weechat might be nice.  i know people have built it on openwrt
Jul 19 23:06:39 <dTx> Does it not just use .desktop files?
Jul 19 23:06:42 <dTx> SirBob1701
Jul 19 23:06:56 <SirBob1701> dTx: i belive so
Jul 19 23:07:21 <dTx> i haven't tried yet
Jul 19 23:07:41 <SirBob1701> gotta figure out where the programs install which is hard cause of no locate ...
Jul 19 23:08:24 <SirBob1701> can't find a good developers site for the ASu either
Jul 19 23:08:46 <walrustown> SirBob1701: you might do: find / -name 'whatever'
Jul 19 23:08:47 <undrwater> SirBob1701: i think you can unpack an ipk with tar...
Jul 19 23:08:57 <walrustown> SirBob1701: much slower than locate, but better than nothing
Jul 19 23:09:01 <peepsalot> is tangogps supposed to keep the map cache even after power down?
Jul 19 23:09:26 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: yes
Jul 19 23:09:37 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: you want to set it up so it's downloading maps to /media/card
Jul 19 23:09:43 <peepsalot> hmm, seemed like mine was cleared somehow
Jul 19 23:11:13 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: where are you saving them to?
Jul 19 23:11:13 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: a simple du will tell you if they are tehre
Jul 19 23:12:01 <peepsalot> oh, looks like it's set to /tmp/Maps/OSM
Jul 19 23:12:10 <dTx> MadTBone: I wish you could install sox on this thing
Jul 19 23:12:18 <dTx> would be easier to play with audio settings then
Jul 19 23:12:19 <peepsalot> i don't have a sd card cause gps won't work with it
Jul 19 23:12:19 <SpeedEvil>  /tmp is volatile I think
Jul 19 23:12:27 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: ah
Jul 19 23:12:29 <undrwater> i would imagine so
Jul 19 23:12:38 <peepsalot> yeah, figures, i'll just wait
Jul 19 23:12:49 <peepsalot> i'm also waiting on an 8gb card to come in
Jul 19 23:13:00 <dTx> peepsalot: gps does work with it, it just takes a long time for it to do a cold acquire I believe
Jul 19 23:13:08 <dTx> I use my GPS func
Jul 19 23:13:36 <MadTBone> dTx: yeah...but then you would be doing everything through soc....looking at wolfon datasheet .... it's quite capable
Jul 19 23:13:39 <undrwater> anyone tried cups?
Jul 19 23:13:41 <peepsalot> well, i don't feel like standing outside for prolonged periods in the middle of summer
Jul 19 23:14:22 <dTx> Warm start is a lot faster
Jul 19 23:14:31 <dTx> like maybe 20 seconds
Jul 19 23:14:54 <peepsalot> is there an available kernel with the fix applied?
Jul 19 23:15:07 <peepsalot> available as in I don't have to compile it myself
Jul 19 23:15:07 <dTx> MadTBone: I'm just wondering if the 850 version has something hooked up wrong
Jul 19 23:15:41 <MadTBone> dTx: you mean 850MHz GSM model?
Jul 19 23:15:46 <dTx> yeah
Jul 19 23:15:49 <peepsalot> dTx, what classifies as a warm start
Jul 19 23:16:18 <MadTBone> dTx: are others not seeing the same behavior as we are?
Jul 19 23:16:33 <dTx> peepsalot: it saves your last coordinates and uses that to speed things along subsequent times
Jul 19 23:16:36 <dTx> I believe
Jul 19 23:16:41 <SpeedEvil> dTx: and satellite orbits
Jul 19 23:16:42 <dTx> MadTBone: I don't know
Jul 19 23:17:19 <dTx> SpeedEvil: yeah, all I know is it is a lot faster subsequently ;-)
Jul 19 23:17:32 <MadTBone> anyone here have a 900MHz model?
Jul 19 23:17:37 <peepsalot> dTx, if i have to power down and then back on again, that is a cold start, no?
Jul 19 23:17:54 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: cold start is if you throw all information away
Jul 19 23:17:57 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: so no
Jul 19 23:18:16 <dTx> MadTBone: I have asked on here before if anyone had to adjust their mixer settings for the other side to be able to hear them, and most people said they didn't while I have had to
Jul 19 23:18:16 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: you get a big gain even if you've last been 'connevcted' a week ago.
Jul 19 23:18:18 <peepsalot> where is the info stored?  what would cause a cold start?
Jul 19 23:18:46 <SpeedEvil> peepsalot: Oh - I'm unsure if anything actually uploads the warm start info though, so I may be misleading.
Jul 19 23:18:51 <MadTBone> dTx: had to adjust for speakerphone? or for normal phone?
Jul 19 23:18:51 <kd8ikt> for the life of me i cant figure out where that sneaky matchbox lock screen wallpaper isgit i broke wpa_supplicant
Jul 19 23:19:10 <peepsalot> what?  why is everyone using these terms, but they can't seem to define them
Jul 19 23:19:29 <kd8ikt> heh
Jul 19 23:19:30 <dTx> MadTBone: I had to adjust mic2 for the other side to even be able to hear me
Jul 19 23:20:03 <MadTBone> dTx: ahh...I haven't had that problem... just low speaker output on the speakerphone
Jul 19 23:20:10 <dTx> :-(
Jul 19 23:20:23 <dTx> I know of several other that did have that problem
Jul 19 23:20:38 <MadTBone> dTx: yeah... I've seen info on it in the wiki
Jul 19 23:20:49 <dTx> but low speaker output is also a problem here
Jul 19 23:21:01 <ko_dez> dTx: I have to move mic2 to max as well to be able to use the phone to call someone.
Jul 19 23:21:10 <dTx> yeah
Jul 19 23:21:22 <dTx> ko_dez: You running an 850MHz model?
Jul 19 23:21:25 <ko_dez> dTx: you can set it as default, so you don't have to do it every time
Jul 19 23:21:30 <ko_dez> dTx: nope, 900
Jul 19 23:21:47 <dTx> Is FIC manufacturing defects high or something?
Jul 19 23:22:08 <dTx> While I like the idea of supporting an open phone I also want it to work
Jul 19 23:22:23 <MadTBone> dTx: well..according to wolfson datasheet, mic level at 0 is 12dB gain ... mic level at 100 is 30dB gain
Jul 19 23:23:09 <dTx> ko_dez: yeah, already did that
Jul 19 23:23:12 <MadTBone> dTx: and there are 3 steps in between @ 6dB each
Jul 19 23:23:15 <ko_dez> dTx: Yeah. Use the qtopia framebuffer image, and set the default mic2 level for handset to be max (3 i believe it is). Then it is semi usable as a phone.
Jul 19 23:23:38 <ko_dez> dTx: The other end hears a lot of echo though.
Jul 19 23:23:42 <dTx> ko_dez: thats what I did except for qtopia
Jul 19 23:24:53 <dTx> MadTBone: this is Mic2 though it isn't even going through the ADC process right?  Since it goes straight to GSM module which requires analog input
Jul 19 23:25:01 <ko_dez> dTx: I have a full day battery time if I use the phone as a phone and not a toy =)   And it works quite well. Need to get used to the imput methods though, and missing a norwegian dictionary is not helping. My friends are getting tired of text messages in english =)
Jul 19 23:25:28 <dTx> hahaha
Jul 19 23:25:29 <SirBob1701> is ASU as of now suppose to be able to run GPE applications
Jul 19 23:25:39 <dTx> ko_dez: yeah T9 support is lacking :-P
Jul 19 23:26:06 <MadTBone> dTx: no.  all audio goes through wolfson
Jul 19 23:26:14 <ko_dez> the placement of the microphone is very stupid I think. Why put it a place where all the surrounding sounds will get to really easily as well?
Jul 19 23:26:35 <MadTBone> dTx: mics and spkrs are hooked directly to wolfson (or so it appears)
Jul 19 23:27:19 <ko_dez> dTx: The qtopia has a T9 like feature on their keyboard. They guess that you are using your thumbs, and has a fuzzy logic thing that can assume that you meant to press a button in that area. Works really well I think.
Jul 19 23:27:54 * jeffszusz hates T9
Jul 19 23:28:01 <SirBob1701> ya it does.  I want to see the code for that ko_dez 
Jul 19 23:28:05 <SirBob1701> lol
Jul 19 23:28:28 <dTx> SirBob1701: Its all right there
Jul 19 23:28:42 <ko_dez> I like it though. After a little practice, I can write messages really quick. In english until I get a norwegian dictionary of course =)
Jul 19 23:29:06 <ko_dez> jeffszusz: then disable it =)
Jul 19 23:29:09 <dTx> MadTBone: yeah, just for the amps I guess
Jul 19 23:30:11 <SirBob1701> dTx: true just gotta dl it :D  i so need to get my dev enviroment up for this haha
Jul 19 23:30:47 <dTx> SirBob1701: me too, right now I only have 10 GB free unfortunately
Jul 19 23:31:11 <SirBob1701> dTx: i have like 600gb free lol
Jul 19 23:32:11 <dTx> SirBob1701: Well, if I bastardized work resources I'd have approx. 12TB, but I try to keep work / home separate ;-)
Jul 19 23:32:45 <SirBob1701> hey i bought all mine myself haha
Jul 19 23:32:48 <SirBob1701> yesh
Jul 19 23:33:39 <walrustown> Is there any way to install openmoko packages into the openmoko toolchain?
Jul 19 23:33:56 <dTx> bitbake -b package
Jul 19 23:34:00 <dTx> correct?
Jul 19 23:34:19 <walrustown> ok sounds like I need to get OE set up
Jul 19 23:34:27 <dTx> yea
Jul 19 23:36:46 <peepsalot> yarg this matchbox keyboar dis buggy.  can't type underscore
Jul 19 23:37:14 <peepsalot> it writes a slash instead
Jul 19 23:37:50 <balrog-kun> must be a virus
Jul 19 23:38:15 <peepsalot> um, right
Jul 19 23:39:35 <peepsalot> anyone know where to find the config files for matchbox keyboard?
Jul 19 23:40:08 <dTx> MadTBone: so why is the gsmhandset.state file completely different from this: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmhandset.state
Jul 19 23:41:03 <safire> Zorkman: make any progress?
Jul 19 23:42:33 <ikjh> Where are you supposed to send patches? devel mailing list?
Jul 19 23:43:31 <safire> just switch to ASU - first attempt at a call out didn't seem to work, might be signal issues.  I started logread -f, then relaunched dialer, now the '7' key gives '{', '8' -> '[' and '9' -> ']', is this a bug or some shift mode?
Jul 19 23:45:19 <peepsalot> kd8ikt, not sure if you found this already, but since I think you were asking about it yesterday, you can calibrate the screen with ts_calibrate
Jul 19 23:45:25 <peepsalot> should be already installed
Jul 19 23:45:58 <peepsalot> i had trouble typing underscore, so I started it from ssh session on desktop
Jul 19 23:50:10 <linuxxr> so i need  to upgrade dropbear first?
Jul 19 23:54:57 <kd8ikt> oh yea? i'll look into that peepsalot 
Jul 19 23:55:01 <Maniac`> hello people, i'm working on design of device that acquises sound with microphone, then through ADC to CPU, and I want to visualize sound like in those Winamp plugins, is there any free source programs that allow process such task?
Jul 19 23:55:21 <SpeedEvil> xspectrum
Jul 19 23:55:25 <kd8ikt> i was fartin around with the window manager lastnight
Jul 19 23:55:35 <SpeedEvil> Or is it xspec
Jul 19 23:55:48 <kd8ikt> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2
Jul 19 23:56:00 <kd8ikt> shows how to customize the ui a lil
Jul 19 23:56:00 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil for linux ?
Jul 19 23:56:08 <kd8ikt> like wallpaper
Jul 19 23:57:04 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: also - xmms has plugins, probably audacity too.
Jul 19 23:57:16 <SpeedEvil> http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/XSpectrum/
Jul 19 23:58:17 <SpeedEvil> flaushy: spice is probably a good plan.
Jul 19 23:58:19 <SpeedEvil> oops
Jul 20 00:00:12 <linuxxr> opkg says that dropbear isuptodater that cant be right
Jul 20 00:00:40 <dTx> ~ALC
Jul 20 00:00:59 <linuxxr> maybe me freerunner came with newer software?
Jul 20 00:01:07 <linuxxr> naaaaaa
Jul 20 00:01:18 <SirBob1701> arg can't get my gtk applications to show up in ASU starting to get annoyed lol
Jul 20 00:01:54 <linuxxr> how to move /home to the sd card?
Jul 20 00:02:08 <linuxxr> partition:)
Jul 20 00:02:08 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil thank you I will try, as I understand program works like many program-filters processing with different functions and visualize it, correct me if I'm wrong, maybe you could point me at good docs/manuals to clearly inderstanding those methods and to know which hardware requirements I need or if I'm able to perform this task with low power 32-bit MCU without 3d-accelerator (this device succesfully runs linux). Thank you very much!
Jul 20 00:02:49 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: what are you trying to do?
Jul 20 00:03:22 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil a device with microphone -> adc - > cpu (program) -> visualize sound to LCD
Jul 20 00:03:35 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: for any particular reason?
Jul 20 00:03:40 <Maniac`> device runs linux
Jul 20 00:04:29 <dTx> So technically when you adjust mixer values for mic->GSM is it supposed to be capture or playback?  Since it is doing neither just amplifying the analog signal?
Jul 20 00:04:53 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil, no just for visualizing
Jul 20 00:05:09 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: you can easily do it on a FR class device.
Jul 20 00:05:36 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: you will need to do it in C or something moderately close to the hardware
Jul 20 00:06:00 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: look at source for xspectrum, and plugins
Jul 20 00:06:22 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil could you clear RF what means?
Jul 20 00:06:38 <SpeedEvil> RF?
Jul 20 00:06:40 <Maniac`> FR*
Jul 20 00:06:46 <SpeedEvil> Freerunner
Jul 20 00:07:53 <Maniac`> oh
Jul 20 00:08:22 <linuxxr> dropbear 0.49-rc1?
Jul 20 00:08:27 <Maniac`> I understand, but want to design it on AVR32 cpu with a lower clock rate
Jul 20 00:08:38 <linuxxr> is that uptodate/?
Jul 20 00:09:01 <Maniac`> it runs linux and c compatible
Jul 20 00:09:14 <dTx> Is there not currently a driver to actually record audio from the built in microphone?
Jul 20 00:09:51 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil nice function - 2 3D accelometrs, I though this could be performed only with a gyroscopic chip which is rather expensive
Jul 20 00:10:19 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: the 2 3D accels of the freerunner are largely useless - they don't give any gain over 1.
Jul 20 00:10:33 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: apart from maybe picking up taps on the case.
Jul 20 00:10:50 <Maniac`> 2 3D accelerometers so that the phone can know its orientation for example switching to landscape mode automatically
Jul 20 00:11:12 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: but as tehy are fixed to one body, they get the same inputs.
Jul 20 00:11:15 <Maniac`> but.. how can IT know starting position
Jul 20 00:11:27 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: the accelerometers measure 'down'.
Jul 20 00:11:38 <Maniac`> not an angle?
Jul 20 00:11:40 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: this gives you orientation.
Jul 20 00:11:41 <edistar> Maniac`: no
Jul 20 00:11:44 <Maniac`> of rotation
Jul 20 00:11:46 <dTx> 9.80665 m/s^2
Jul 20 00:11:48 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: no.
Jul 20 00:11:49 <dTx> down
Jul 20 00:11:59 <edistar> has anyone got code yet that finds out the rotation?
Jul 20 00:12:04 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: they give you the three Z,Y,X accelerations
Jul 20 00:12:16 <MadTBone> dTx: re: diffs in handset.state files ... I don't know... I'm not familiar enough with the system yet...
Jul 20 00:12:16 * SpeedEvil passes edistar a trigonometer.
Jul 20 00:12:47 <dTx> hehe
Jul 20 00:13:08 <edistar> SpeedEvil: thanks very much ;)
Jul 20 00:14:13 <peepsalot> if there is a bug with matchbox-keyboard, should I report it on openmoko bugtracker, or openedhand
Jul 20 00:14:26 <edistar> peepsalot: OH
Jul 20 00:14:26 <SpeedEvil> edistar: first normalise the vectors to get them to unit size.
Jul 20 00:14:32 <kd8ikt> hm i cant get wpa_supplicant to work anymore
Jul 20 00:14:36 <kd8ikt> :P
Jul 20 00:14:45 <edistar> SpeedEvil: sry.. what do I do?
Jul 20 00:15:15 * edistar went to school in germany, so wouldn't have the right vocabulary
Jul 20 00:16:37 <Maniac`> SpeedEvil thank you for advices
Jul 20 00:16:58 <edistar> Maniac`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval
Jul 20 00:17:33 <SpeedEvil> Maniac`: also see the technical:accelerometer fundamentals page on the wikie
Jul 20 00:18:06 <Maniac`> thanks It will be much useful for me
Jul 20 00:18:18 <Maniac`> and anyone worked with Zigbee chips?
Jul 20 00:18:29 <dTx> has anybody recorded audio on their FR?
Jul 20 00:18:34 <dTx> like captured
Jul 20 00:18:41 <dTx> Is there even a driver for that?
Jul 20 00:18:55 <SpeedEvil> dTx: should be...
Jul 20 00:18:57 * SpeedEvil ponders
Jul 20 00:19:16 <brian__> oot@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade
Jul 20 00:19:16 <brian__> Nothing to be done
Jul 20 00:19:18 <SpeedEvil> edistar: do you still have your geometry textbook?
Jul 20 00:19:34 <brian__> speedevil is that correct?
Jul 20 00:19:42 <edistar> SpeedEvil: I just finished school 2 month ago, so I should remember most of it
Jul 20 00:19:45 <SpeedEvil> brian__: dunno, sorry
Jul 20 00:19:53 <brian__> o
Jul 20 00:20:12 <edistar> SpeedEvil: you could also feed me with TI voyage 200 commands ;)
Jul 20 00:20:31 <brian__> exit
Jul 20 00:20:44 <brian__> lol
Jul 20 00:22:13 <peepsalot> is anyone else getting this error on upgrade?  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 	But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5
Jul 20 00:23:01 <mw|> peepsalot: force uninstall libncurses, and it should be okey
Jul 20 00:26:34 <edistar> SpeedEvil: what does unit size mean?
Jul 20 00:26:43 <peepsalot> mw|, thanks
Jul 20 00:27:13 <railer> hey whats the command to test if eth0 is working?
Jul 20 00:27:34 <edistar> railer: ping <ip> ?
Jul 20 00:27:37 <SpeedEvil> edistar: a vector of magnitude 1
Jul 20 00:27:38 <edistar> railer: ifconfig
Jul 20 00:27:44 <SpeedEvil> edistar: I'm looking for a nice FAQ that I recall
Jul 20 00:28:09 <edistar> SpeedEvil: ah, vector/|vektor| ?
Jul 20 00:28:09 <railer> except how do I know it's going through eth0 and not data or usb?
Jul 20 00:28:13 <edistar> *vector
Jul 20 00:28:18 <railer> ifconfig looks ok
Jul 20 00:28:32 <edistar> railer: ping -I eth0 <ip>
Jul 20 00:28:50 <railer> thanks couldnt remember that line
Jul 20 00:29:03 <edistar> man ping :)
Jul 20 00:30:01 <dTx> man ins't on these phones ;-)
Jul 20 00:30:11 <railer> ok then I think I have everything a goin
Jul 20 00:30:27 <dTx> ok, can anybody record audio using arecord?
Jul 20 00:30:43 <dTx> It looks like it keeps trying to access dmix and then fails
Jul 20 00:31:04 <dTx> I do arecord -L but it doesn't show anything
Jul 20 00:31:18 <peepsalot> what's currently the best web browser for freerunner?
Jul 20 00:31:22 <dTx> Thats why I was wondering if you can actually record
Jul 20 00:31:32 <cjb> 88
Jul 20 00:31:37 <cjb> oops.
Jul 20 00:31:46 <dTx> peepsalot: they all suck, probably minimo though
Jul 20 00:32:46 <peepsalot> i have some text messages that show up as one of those unicode boxes with numbers : 00 10
Jul 20 00:33:17 <dTx> peepsalot: are you on AT&T?
Jul 20 00:33:24 <peepsalot> yes
Jul 20 00:33:27 <SirBob1701> is there an easy way to debug on a gta02 why gtk application launchers dont show up in my ASU launcher?
Jul 20 00:33:29 <dTx> me too
Jul 20 00:33:33 * cjb three
Jul 20 00:33:41 <dTx> 0010 is when you delete a voice mail
Jul 20 00:33:44 <cjb> I couldn't get registered this morning :(
Jul 20 00:33:46 <dTx> 0011 is when you get a voice mail
Jul 20 00:33:55 <dTx> I've figured
Jul 20 00:33:58 <cjb> eventually managed to, after leaving it alone for a half hour
Jul 20 00:34:02 <edistar> SirBob1701: there was something about the .desktop files needing one more line to show up
Jul 20 00:34:35 <SirBob1701> hmm i'll have to compare edistar 
Jul 20 00:35:00 <peepsalot> oh, weird
Jul 20 00:35:15 <dTx> peepsalot: yep
Jul 20 00:35:26 <peepsalot> is that carrier specific?
Jul 20 00:35:31 <dTx> I guess so
Jul 20 00:35:47 <dTx> Cuz its obviously not handled in the FR software, so they probably aren't even aware of it
Jul 20 00:35:56 <dTx> I guess
Jul 20 00:36:22 <peepsalot> dtx, seems like it shouldn't be.  i mean, if I had a phone before that could recognize when i had a voicemail, and it wasn't locked down to a particular carrier, it must be some universal thing, right?
Jul 20 00:42:07 <dTx> peesalot: I guess so
Jul 20 00:42:40 <dTx> maybe its a US thing?
Jul 20 00:44:12 <dTx> peepsalot
Jul 20 00:44:16 <dTx> not peesalot
Jul 20 00:44:17 <dTx> hahaha
Jul 20 00:47:01 <walrustown> I am getting *really* mad at libtool
Jul 20 00:47:44 <dTx> anybody know how to disable showing the SIM card contacts?
Jul 20 00:47:58 <SirBob1701> dTx: in what ASU?
Jul 20 00:48:22 <dTx> in the release software.  I am assuming that its 2007.2, right?
Jul 20 00:48:41 <dTx> Is ASU a completely different branch?
Jul 20 00:48:42 <SirBob1701> ya it is no idea for that though
Jul 20 00:48:49 <mw|> NOTE: Task failed: Checksum of 'http://gpephone.linuxtogo.org/download/gpephone/voicecall-0.1/voicecall-0.1.tar.gz' failed
Jul 20 00:48:51 <SirBob1701> ya it is
Jul 20 00:48:58 <dTx> or does opkg update && opkg upgrade get me to it?
Jul 20 00:49:04 <mw|> tried multiple times, allways same md5 error
Jul 20 00:50:46 <SirBob1701> dTx: you have to flash it to get the ASU
Jul 20 00:51:05 <SirBob1701> for i'm using one from july 15th and i like it better then 2007.2
Jul 20 00:51:15 <dTx> what's the difference?
Jul 20 00:51:42 <SirBob1701> dTx: the ASU uses the e17 backend and is entirely different with completely different UI
Jul 20 00:51:43 <dTx> ~ASU
Jul 20 00:51:47 <apt> from memory, asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution.  See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan.
Jul 20 00:52:03 <dTx> Is it more/less reliable?
Jul 20 00:52:09 <dTx> virtually circle one
Jul 20 00:52:20 <sirkha> hello, i am using an att sim card that has been reported to work (71234G 3022) and i am getting "registration denied" errors on my FreeRunner, could someone help me find more information, or point me in the right direction?
Jul 20 00:53:48 <MadTBone> dTx: I find ASU really slow... and I didn't find its usability better than 2007.2
Jul 20 00:54:20 <Maniac`> does your FreeRunner use LCD or OLED display?
Jul 20 00:54:22 <Maniac`> :]
Jul 20 00:54:25 <SirBob1701> MadTBone: i think its significantly faster then 2007.2 and better usability
Jul 20 00:54:53 <SirBob1701> course i'm still trying to get gtk apps to show the hell up on the launcher
Jul 20 00:55:19 <dTx> ick
Jul 20 00:55:25 <dTx> sounds like its running Qtopia?
Jul 20 00:55:29 <SirBob1701> yup
Jul 20 00:55:30 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: really... I found it to be less stable... are you using recommended image, or daily build?
Jul 20 00:55:44 <SirBob1701> MadTBone: daily build from july 15th
Jul 20 00:56:01 <dTx> OK, so what are the active branches of OpenMoko?
Jul 20 00:56:02 <SirBob1701> gotta find the mailing list for asu
Jul 20 00:56:13 <SirBob1701> dTx: only active ones are ASU and FSO
Jul 20 00:56:21 <SirBob1701> 2007.2 is pretty much dead from what i've read
Jul 20 00:56:21 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: how's the stability
Jul 20 00:56:40 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: no.  2007.2 is still somewhat active
Jul 20 00:57:11 <SirBob1701> MadTBone: it messes up like once a day thats about it really.  doesn't always show sim contacts but once you import them its fine can always text and call
Jul 20 00:57:33 <SirBob1701> most of the crashes i've caused are from packages that are messed up
Jul 20 00:57:41 <SirBob1701> just don't use the july 18th image. 
Jul 20 00:57:49 <SirBob1701> the keyboard in that is screwed
Jul 20 00:58:03 <MadTBone> is it fixed in today's
Jul 20 00:58:05 <MadTBone> ?
Jul 20 00:58:13 <SirBob1701> is there one for today? i haven't looked lol
Jul 20 00:58:28 <dTx> I want to use FSO
Jul 20 00:58:30 <MadTBone> yeah...must have been uploaded in the last hour or 2
Jul 20 00:58:35 <dTx> ~fso
Jul 20 00:58:37 <apt> from memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release.  It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else.
Jul 20 00:58:55 <MadTBone> dTx: I really like FSO...but it doesn't do much other than call yet
Jul 20 00:59:21 <dTx> It uses GTK on X correct?
Jul 20 00:59:29 <SirBob1701> hmm to install the july19th build or to keep tyring to get gtk apps icons to show up hmm
Jul 20 00:59:48 <MadTBone> dTx: I don't know...but it's stable
Jul 20 01:00:49 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: you can always deal w/ icons later...you can only install today's image today
Jul 20 01:00:56 <dTx> So what isn't in there
Jul 20 01:01:02 <dTx> I keep seeing this basic phone only stuff
Jul 20 01:01:30 <MadTBone> dTx: everything but calls...look on the wiki for a video
Jul 20 01:01:37 <SirBob1701> MadTBone: ya but this icon thing is really pissing me off lol.  I want to launch tango gps
Jul 20 01:01:56 <SirBob1701> sweet theres a july 20th out lol
Jul 20 01:02:06 <MadTBone> rly!?
Jul 20 01:02:11 <SirBob1701> ya
Jul 20 01:02:21 <SirBob1701> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080720/
Jul 20 01:02:22 <MadTBone> omg omg omg!!!
Jul 20 01:02:22 <dTx> FSO?
Jul 20 01:02:49 <dTx> aren't those just dailies?
Jul 20 01:02:56 <SirBob1701> yup
Jul 20 01:04:10 <dTx> so... not stable right?
Jul 20 01:04:42 <SirBob1701> oh crap theres a negative review of openmoko freerunner on front page of reddit
Jul 20 01:05:11 <dTx> well, to be honest it is pretty much alpha quality software, atm
Jul 20 01:05:35 <SirBob1701> ya but phone calls are stable enough and sms on asu
Jul 20 01:05:44 <SirBob1701> this assholes doing it with the 2007.2 though
Jul 20 01:07:10 <dTx> huh?
Jul 20 01:07:23 <dTx> who is doing what with 2007.2?
Jul 20 01:07:44 <SirBob1701> http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=6sknz
Jul 20 01:07:55 <cjb> does he compare the $400 price tag on the moko to the ~$2000 (after two year contract) iPhone?
Jul 20 01:08:24 <SirBob1701> huh you'd think
Jul 20 01:11:34 <trix> lol new daily won't stop vibrating
Jul 20 01:11:59 <cjb> haha
Jul 20 01:12:21 <trix> guess i'll be leaving it at home this evening
Jul 20 01:13:30 <dTx> so who is in charge of FSO?
Jul 20 01:13:34 <MadTBone> trix: which image?
Jul 20 01:14:19 <trix> the one mentioned above, 20080720. vibrates on message received, but doesn't stop vibrating.
Jul 20 01:14:38 <trix> it's still humming along like a champ next to me
Jul 20 01:14:39 <dTx> MadTBone: is the openmoko-devel-image still the GPE based one?
Jul 20 01:14:40 <MadTBone> trix: ASU or 2007.2?
Jul 20 01:14:43 <trix> 2007.2
Jul 20 01:15:49 <dTx> GPE.GTK
Jul 20 01:15:54 <dTx> GPE/GTK
Jul 20 01:16:06 <MadTBone> dTx: yep
Jul 20 01:16:39 <MadTBone> dTx: ASU says qtopia
Jul 20 01:19:11 <trix> it may have some problems but i still love it. when nothing else works, minesweeper is still a big hit. ;)
Jul 20 01:19:55 <donomo> i am sometimes surprised by what does work. like the calendar entries for today on the home page
Jul 20 01:20:06 <SirBob1701> trix: do you know how to get gtk applications to show up in the launcher on the 20070718 image?
Jul 20 01:20:33 <SirBob1701> err
Jul 20 01:20:39 <SirBob1701> 20080718 lol
Jul 20 01:21:04 <railer> hey anyone know why I can't see mtpaint?
Jul 20 01:21:38 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: do you have the landscape mode touchscreen bug in ASU?
Jul 20 01:23:38 <SirBob1701> no 
Jul 20 01:23:41 <SirBob1701> err
Jul 20 01:23:45 <SirBob1701> if i'm understanding what your saying
Jul 20 01:23:51 <SirBob1701> holding phone sideways
Jul 20 01:23:51 <SirBob1701> ?
Jul 20 01:24:21 <MadTBone> SirBob1701: in 2007.2, when you go into landscape mode all touches are registered too far left
Jul 20 01:24:52 <dTx> So has anyone tried the 20080720 devel-image?
Jul 20 01:25:04 <SirBob1701> MadTBone: i don't even think asu has landscape yet
Jul 20 01:25:19 <MadTBone> dTx: I'm about to...need to back up my config 1st
Jul 20 01:25:39 <dTx> how do you do that?
Jul 20 01:26:01 <MadTBone> dTx: tar
Jul 20 01:26:33 <dTx> oh
Jul 20 01:26:34 <dTx> hehe
Jul 20 01:26:46 <MadTBone> I'm just going to tar /home and /etc to SD
Jul 20 01:27:04 <dTx> wouldn't that be useless without all your opkgs installed?
Jul 20 01:27:41 <MadTBone> opkg list_installed >> pkg.list 
Jul 20 01:27:44 <b0ef> is there some info on the wiki about setting up wifi ad hoc mode between several freerunners?
Jul 20 01:27:58 <MadTBone> can you think of any benefit to keeping the sd formatted to fat32?
Jul 20 01:28:03 <dTx> sounds like a good idea MadTBone
Jul 20 01:28:33 <dTx> MadTBone: when you try it could you tell me how it goes?
Jul 20 01:28:43 <MadTBone> b0ef: I think I just read that ad hoc isn't implemented yet...could be wrong though...
Jul 20 01:30:34 <cjb> MadTBone: fat32 is pretty good for non-wear-levelled flash.
Jul 20 01:31:14 <MadTBone> is microSD not wear levelled? 
Jul 20 01:31:24 <cjb> dunno.
Jul 20 01:32:11 <MadTBone> cjb: I think it is...everything but old smartmedia and raw flash are, I believe...
Jul 20 01:32:54 <cjb> MadTBone: I think some SD controllers might not implement wear levelling.
Jul 20 01:33:55 <MadTBone> cjb: not part of the spec?
Jul 20 01:34:11 <sontek> My phone randomly stops taking calls/allowing me to make calls, and there is no obvious reason why
Jul 20 01:34:15 <MadTBone> cjb: and if not...does the GTA02's do it?
Jul 20 01:34:23 <cjb> MadTBone: I have no knowledge.  :)
Jul 20 01:34:28 <sontek> and then I'll reboot it and it'll comee back and say "registering..." but wont actually register
Jul 20 01:34:46 <sontek> well... it will, but takes a good 5/10 minutes
Jul 20 01:34:54 <MadTBone> sontek: which carrier?
Jul 20 01:34:59 <sontek> t-mobile
Jul 20 01:35:02 <cjb> Seems likely that the GTA02 would.  One of the reasons people have been using fat32 in general on SD is that ext3 is pretty pathological on it.
Jul 20 01:35:16 <sontek> i'm running 2007.2 from the 15th
Jul 20 01:36:23 <MadTBone> cjb: yeah...journaling seems like a bad idea on flash...but why not ext2
Jul 20 01:36:31 <Toaster`> cjb: As an extention of what you said, generally any journaled fs is bad
Jul 20 01:36:43 <Toaster`> heh, what MadTBone said
Jul 20 01:37:50 <cjb> ext2's ok (but wasn't bootable on GTA02 until recently).  I think I heard that it writes to the same block quite a lot.
Jul 20 01:39:23 <MadTBone> sontek: no knowledge of T-Mobile....other than that I like their minute reporting (#646* or something like that)....it updates as soon as you're finished...AT&T doesn't
Jul 20 01:40:15 <sontek> is there any work being on on the SMS interface for the 2007.2 or is it being abandoned for ASU/FSO?
Jul 20 01:40:29 <sontek> done on*  sorry
Jul 20 01:44:10 <dTx> Who is behind FSO?
Jul 20 01:45:55 <b0ef> what does GTA stand for?;)
Jul 20 01:48:39 <MadTBone> b0ef: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA
Jul 20 01:50:28 <b0ef> ;)
Jul 20 01:51:00 <SirBob1701> what the heck does this mean? just happened today on my desktop wtf http://pastebin.ca/1077213
Jul 20 01:51:56 <SpeedEvil> uroot?
Jul 20 01:52:03 <SirBob1701> oo lol
Jul 20 01:52:27 <SirBob1701> don't i feel like an ass
Jul 20 01:52:28 <SirBob1701> haha
Jul 20 01:53:58 <kd8ikt> heh nice finaly got everything working together
Jul 20 01:54:14 <kd8ikt> dude i can lock onto like 10 sat's when i'm on my roof
Jul 20 01:55:07 <SirBob1701> i still gotta get tango working in the asu
Jul 20 01:55:09 <retracile> Hrm... glibc build is failing :(
Jul 20 01:55:43 <kd8ikt> eh :p asu OM 2007.2 FTW
Jul 20 01:55:49 <tomjoad440> can anybody help me with building u-boot from OM git? for starters what *_config to use.
Jul 20 01:56:53 <kd8ikt> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jul 20 01:57:02 <kd8ikt> 2 top ones are my screenshots
Jul 20 01:57:38 <kd8ikt> see em?
Jul 20 01:58:53 <SirBob1701> kd8ikt: ???
Jul 20 01:58:59 <linuxxr> so whats toe openmoko text edit tool/
Jul 20 01:59:08 <linuxxr> pico?
Jul 20 01:59:27 <mmontour> tomjoad440: probably "gta02v5" unless you have a v6 device (and even the I'm not sure whether it needs a v6 config or whether it uses the v5).
Jul 20 01:59:52 <mmontour> You can check your device by looking at "Revision:" in /proc/cpuinfo - "0350" = v5
Jul 20 02:01:04 <kd8ikt> sirbob if you just click that link all will be answered
Jul 20 02:01:37 <kd8ikt> thats pimp i locked onto 8gps satalites while at sat on my roof
Jul 20 02:01:43 <mmontour> Oh, and it's "make u-boot.udfu" to get an image in the right format for flashing with dfu-util
Jul 20 02:01:55 <kd8ikt> ps i was playing mp3's on my sd card also
Jul 20 02:02:09 <SirBob1701> lol.  the new kernel?
Jul 20 02:02:13 <kd8ikt> latest build
Jul 20 02:02:38 <kd8ikt> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uboot-gta01bv2-latest.bin  and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Jul 20 02:02:43 <tomjoad440> mmontour: so what commands should I issue? the only thing I had found in the wiki was the page talking about Migrating to bad block builds
Jul 20 02:03:04 <tomjoad440> mmontour: and obviously that was still referring to the svn+patches
Jul 20 02:03:38 <SirBob1701> kd8ikt: gta01?
Jul 20 02:03:44 <kd8ikt> free runner
Jul 20 02:03:49 <MadTBone> linuxxr: vi
Jul 20 02:03:55 <SirBob1701> whys the uboot say gta 01?
Jul 20 02:03:58 <kd8ikt> GTA02v5 i believe
Jul 20 02:04:05 <linuxxr> ok
Jul 20 02:04:21 <kd8ikt> whoops wrong link 
Jul 20 02:04:23 <SirBob1701> lol
Jul 20 02:04:45 <kd8ikt> not u boot but
Jul 20 02:05:05 <tomjoad440> mmontour: FYI, I attempted "make ARCH=arm gta02v5_config" and I get "No rule to make target"
Jul 20 02:05:09 <dTx> kd8ikt: why not 20080720 build
Jul 20 02:05:15 <mmontour> To build u-boot, you should just need to "make gta02v5_config" then "make u-boot.udfu". You also have to give it an environment variable like CROSS_COMPILE=/home/user/moko/build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- (edit the path as needed for your environment)
Jul 20 02:05:45 <linuxxr> so for the opkg.conf  we need to add
Jul 20 02:05:49 <kd8ikt> eh those werent there an hour ago dTx 
Jul 20 02:05:53 <kd8ikt> latest was 18
Jul 20 02:06:00 <brian__> src <src-name> <source-url>
Jul 20 02:06:36 <SirBob1701> did anyone get any gtk applications working in the asu?
Jul 20 02:06:45 <kd8ikt> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080718/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin  was my image but it seems it doesnt exist anymore
Jul 20 02:07:19 <kd8ikt> i swear it was there 2 hrs or so ago
Jul 20 02:07:29 <dTx> kd8ikt: so how does it run?
Jul 20 02:07:36 <kd8ikt> perfect
Jul 20 02:07:54 <dTx> perfect like just like 2007.2 perfect?
Jul 20 02:08:09 <kd8ikt> dunno if i want to go updating/flashing again just yet i just got it running/config'd the way i want it
Jul 20 02:08:14 <mmontour> tomjoad440: make sure you're on the "stable" branch of the git repository. "No rule to make target" sounds like you may be on the wrong branch
Jul 20 02:08:24 <railer> hey quick question, if a flash this everything in the phone will be lost?
Jul 20 02:08:36 * rwhitby makes a plea to Openmoko to release the GTA01 schematics ...
Jul 20 02:08:39 <kd8ikt> i'm hagning out with my dad tomorrow and i want everything neat so i can show him
Jul 20 02:09:00 <tomjoad440> mmontour: ok, i'll check that. I wouldn't be surprised. Thank you
Jul 20 02:09:06 <kd8ikt> we're going to an airshow
Jul 20 02:09:30 <railer> airshow make for the best craches
Jul 20 02:10:10 <kd8ikt> thats evil to say/think
Jul 20 02:10:14 <dTx> kd8ikt how old are you?
Jul 20 02:10:45 <dTx> not trying to be weird just wondering
Jul 20 02:10:47 <kd8ikt> 35
Jul 20 02:10:49 <kd8ikt> 25*
Jul 20 02:10:50 <dTx> oh ok
Jul 20 02:10:54 <dTx> haha
Jul 20 02:10:56 <kd8ikt> did you see those http://scap.linuxtogo.org/  images?
Jul 20 02:11:10 <kd8ikt> w00t mine are the two top ones
Jul 20 02:12:34 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03werner * r4542 10/developers/werner/mmcds/ (. Makefile mmcds.c): MMC Drive Strength get/set utility. (GTA02)
Jul 20 02:12:35 <kd8ikt> what do those lil black half circles mean?
Jul 20 02:13:05 <kd8ikt> lock strength?
Jul 20 02:13:55 <SpeedEvil> mwe: /me wants cheap GTA01 mainboards.
Jul 20 02:14:13 <SpeedEvil> rwi: /me wants cheap GTA01 mainboards.
Jul 20 02:14:27 <SpeedEvil> rwhitby:
Jul 20 02:14:41 <dTx> I don't think thats how /me works
Jul 20 02:14:47 <SpeedEvil> dTx: I know
Jul 20 02:17:46 <retracile> For the record:  my build was failing on glibc on a qemu-arm ... localdef command; setting ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in build/conf/local.conf appears to have gotten me past it.  (It's on the wiki, but wasn't obvious to me at first that it was what I needed.)
Jul 20 02:22:41 <tomjoad440> mmontour: Thank you, it was that I wasn't on the stable branch. Do you know if running the setup-env from the tool chain would have covered using the CROSS_COMPILE environment variable?
Jul 20 02:23:30 <mmontour> don't think so, but you can try. If it's not set right then you'll get "make: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found"
Jul 20 02:24:04 <mmontour> I've never used the toolchain. I use Openembedded+Mokomakefile.
Jul 20 02:28:04 <retracile> Is there a way to get tangogps to download its maps for all of a metroplex area?
Jul 20 02:29:14 <cjb> retracile: zoom so that the area is covered, and download all?
Jul 20 02:29:30 <cjb> it does it based on what area's currently visible.
Jul 20 02:29:35 <tomjoad440> any idea what I've done wrong to get a "/path/to/cross-compile/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-rpath-link,/path/to/cross/compile/lib'
Jul 20 02:30:02 <retracile> cjb: where would I find 'download all'?
Jul 20 02:30:14 <cjb> retracile: tap anywhere on the screen, choose map download, and do the 5 zoom level thing
Jul 20 02:30:40 <mmontour> Don't know why that happened, but the problem is that "-Wl,..." is supposed to be passed to gcc rather than directly to ld
Jul 20 02:30:49 <retracile> cjb: ahh!!!  I hadn't found that menu.  Thanks!
Jul 20 02:30:57 <cjb> retracile: :)
Jul 20 02:31:14 <tomjoad440> mmontour: would this all be easier if I used OE+Mokomakefile? is it setup to compile uboot from the git tree?
Jul 20 02:31:58 <retracile> heh.  only 4000 tiles to download.. :)
Jul 20 02:32:40 <cjb> retracile: I've got 110M of tiles on my SD at the moment :)
Jul 20 02:33:06 <cjb> really impressed with tangogps and openstreetmap
Jul 20 02:33:19 <retracile> cjb: :) Yeah, looks like I'll be there shortly.  Then I'll do the +6 view for 400MB.
Jul 20 02:33:35 * retracile has found his reason for a 4GB uSD card ;)
Jul 20 02:33:45 <mmontour> There's a bitbake recipe in OE that is quite close to what you want (u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb or something like that). I'm working on an updated version of that recipe but I haven't finished testing it yet
Jul 20 02:34:26 <mmontour> I've seen that "-Wl," problem reported before (although I don't think it was for u-boot) but I didn't see if anyone solved it
Jul 20 02:34:57 <railer> with the GPS how bad is it with the sd card in? It seems pretty good without
Jul 20 02:35:27 <cjb> railer: works fine here
Jul 20 02:35:42 <cjb> just went on a bike ride with maps on SD, it kept up fine
Jul 20 02:35:42 <tomjoad440> I guess I'll try doing that then
Jul 20 02:35:59 <retracile> railer: rumor has it that the latest kernels do well
Jul 20 02:36:14 <cjb> right, I have the latest kernel, of course
Jul 20 02:36:22 <cjb> gps is unusable with SD without it, and fine with it
Jul 20 02:36:38 * cjb thinks we can un-rumor that now.
Jul 20 02:36:49 <retracile> heh :)
Jul 20 02:36:57 <railer> anyone try a 8G sd yet?
Jul 20 02:37:08 <retracile> railer: a number of people on the mailing lists have.
Jul 20 02:37:14 <cjb> railer: yeah, someone in here said they did and it worked fine
Jul 20 02:37:26 <retracile> I think I saw one report that was negative, but everyone else said it worked fine.
Jul 20 02:37:29 <railer> know any good deal online?
Jul 20 02:37:33 <cjb> railer: amazon
Jul 20 02:37:34 <retracile> Fry's?
Jul 20 02:37:34 <cjb> $30 or so
Jul 20 02:38:10 * retracile plans to opt for Class 6 4GB instead of class 4 8GB
Jul 20 02:38:14 <railer> that's cheap, I would go read the lists but I like talking to people, hope you guys dont mind
Jul 20 02:38:22 <retracile> :)
Jul 20 02:38:24 <cjb> s'fine.
Jul 20 02:38:38 <swc|666> grr... i have a question - when running an sd card install of Debian on the FR, using the git.openmoko kernel... when i need the kernel headers to compile a module / driver on the device, how can i do so?
Jul 20 02:38:45 <railer> class 6 vs class 4 big difference?
Jul 20 02:38:54 <retracile> railer: there is a huge amount of traffic on the list.  (granted, linux-kernel it ain't, but anyway...)
Jul 20 02:38:56 <goldenhawk> Has someone put the SD card GPS workaround in the kernel yet?
Jul 20 02:39:07 <cjb> goldenhawk: yes, quite a few days ago
Jul 20 02:39:15 <retracile> railer: I haven't seen apples-to-apples comparisons.
Jul 20 02:39:16 <railer> do 
Jul 20 02:39:29 <railer> do I have to flash to get the new kernel?
Jul 20 02:39:37 <cjb> you just have to reflash the kernel, I think?
Jul 20 02:39:54 <railer> everything I've added will be lost on the flash?
Jul 20 02:40:01 <mmontour> I tested a 4G Class6 in my Neo1973 yesterday. I got 2.8 MiB/s write and 3.2 MiB/s read on a 100MiB file
Jul 20 02:40:01 <cjb> no, because the kernel is in its own partition
Jul 20 02:40:07 <cjb> nothing you've added will be lost
Jul 20 02:40:09 <railer> oh good
Jul 20 02:40:16 <goldenhawk> cjb: Neat.  Thanks.
Jul 20 02:40:23 <railer> you know it's a damn fun phone
Jul 20 02:40:46 <retracile> railer: As I understand it, we can get ~3MB/s, and the class 4 peaks at 4; but the SD bus may be able to go up to 7MB/s, and class 6 peaks at 6MB/s.  (Take w/grain of salt--I'm not 100% certain of these "facts")
Jul 20 02:41:32 <retracile> mmontour: how do those numbers compare with the 8GB-class4 numbers?
Jul 20 02:41:51 <mmontour> Send me an 8G-class4 and I'll be glad to measure it for you :)
Jul 20 02:41:59 <retracile> mmontour: hehe :)
Jul 20 02:42:30 <mmontour> It's similar to a measurement I saw for 8G class4 in the Freerunner, but because mine is a Neo1973 I don't know what I would see here with an 8G
Jul 20 02:42:54 <railer> It's pretty cool being the only one in a major city with this phone too, and showing the CLI terminal to linux fan boy is damn fun
Jul 20 02:53:41 <MadTBone> railer: what city would that be?
Jul 20 02:53:59 <kd8ikt> heh
Jul 20 02:54:18 <kd8ikt> i also consider myself a linux missionary 
Jul 20 02:54:42 * SpeedEvil ponders gags about positions.
Jul 20 02:55:06 <cjb> reverse cowsay?
Jul 20 02:55:13 <kd8ikt> heh
Jul 20 02:55:14 <MadTBone> ha!
Jul 20 02:55:18 <kd8ikt> oh hai cjb 
Jul 20 02:55:32 <kd8ikt> saw ya in boston/mit on tangogps
Jul 20 02:55:38 <cjb> yup
Jul 20 02:55:46 <kd8ikt> goto mit?
Jul 20 02:55:51 <cjb> work there, at OLPC
Jul 20 02:55:58 <kd8ikt> noshit?
Jul 20 02:56:07 <cjb> yup
Jul 20 02:56:12 <kd8ikt> i was gonna buy in on that when it was buy one get one
Jul 20 02:56:19 <cjb> that's gonna start again soon
Jul 20 02:56:28 <cjb> (and they're pretty cheap on ebay)
Jul 20 02:56:33 <kd8ikt> dude integrate some mesh net on the moko
Jul 20 02:56:51 <kd8ikt> i need to implement that on my openwrt routers aswell
Jul 20 02:57:12 <MadTBone> cjb: how's OLPC faring...there's so much back&forth in media (and by media....I mean blogosphere)
Jul 20 02:57:12 <cjb> yeah, mesh tends to require special hardware
Jul 20 02:57:19 <cjb> MadTBone: it's going great, imho
Jul 20 02:57:27 <kd8ikt> aw that sucks
Jul 20 02:57:39 <kd8ikt> played with olpc on qemu
Jul 20 02:57:46 <kd8ikt> really cool stuff
Jul 20 02:57:47 <cjb> kd8ikt: it doesn't have to, if you have full control of your radio in software, but most radios don't let you
Jul 20 02:57:56 <kd8ikt> roger that
Jul 20 02:58:31 <cjb> kd8ikt: you're in MA too?
Jul 20 02:58:42 <kd8ikt> ?
Jul 20 02:58:56 <kd8ikt> <-- cinci ohio
Jul 20 02:59:00 <railer> how do I get something from the OE repository?
Jul 20 02:59:15 <cjb> kd8ikt: ah, thought you might have seen me nearby in tangogps
Jul 20 02:59:20 <cjb> railer: opkg install foo?
Jul 20 02:59:27 <railer> oh ok
Jul 20 02:59:29 <kd8ikt> nah i looked cause i heard you say you lived in boston
Jul 20 02:59:37 <cjb> k
Jul 20 02:59:49 <kd8ikt> btw are you irish i hear all boston folk ar "mic's"
Jul 20 02:59:51 <railer> OE is the opkg, just wasn't sure
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