**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 02:59:56 2008 Jul 21 03:00:39 can't wait for my 8gb microsd to come in. they are mega cheap on amazon at the moment, with included usb reader Jul 21 03:00:47 for like 36 USD Jul 21 03:01:03 wow that is cheap Jul 21 03:01:06 got a link? Jul 21 03:02:28 brand? Jul 21 03:02:33 ACME Jul 21 03:02:41 lol Jul 21 03:03:05 the latest image is also barebones Jul 21 03:03:06 ? Jul 21 03:03:11 need to reinstall everything? Jul 21 03:03:21 like the nice clock thing Jul 21 03:03:39 right? Jul 21 03:03:57 bueller, bueller, bueller Jul 21 03:04:01 heh Jul 21 03:04:49 SirBob1701, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WPDKRI Jul 21 03:06:44 yeah i got some no-name brand 8gb microsd at fry's for $70, which did not include it's own usb adapter, and my old card reader for my desktop didn't even recognize it. So that got promptly returned. Jul 21 03:06:49 is there an easy way to search the lists? i'm looking for how to set up the gtk theme in asu Jul 21 03:06:51 its, thanks Jul 21 03:07:26 doc|home, sandisk :-) Jul 21 03:07:28 Anyone using freerunner as their day-to-day phone? Jul 21 03:08:07 I really want one, but seeing some videos, the interface seems kinda imature (atm) Jul 21 03:08:09 * pjz is trying, but it's... difficult Jul 21 03:08:19 olejorgenb: i am Jul 21 03:08:26 yeah, the inteface is crap, the functionality is a bit hit or miss Jul 21 03:08:36 SirBob1701: what distro are you using ? Jul 21 03:08:43 ASU Jul 21 03:08:55 * pjz should try that. Jul 21 03:09:01 and it's running X, right? Jul 21 03:09:06 yup Jul 21 03:09:09 isn't that very heavy? Jul 21 03:09:14 its not bad Jul 21 03:09:17 I'm using 2007.2 + opkg upgrades Jul 21 03:09:22 i think its alot faster then 2007.2 Jul 21 03:09:31 * Chocky sighs at the terrible grammar here. Jul 21 03:09:35 "alot" is not a word. Jul 21 03:09:37 wha Jul 21 03:09:51 do i care if its a word? :P Jul 21 03:09:54 anyone know if we'll be able to sync with evolution, or KDE's PIM in the near future? Jul 21 03:10:04 you might care about clear communication, ktb. Jul 21 03:10:08 Chocky: realtime chat ,you've got to accept some colloquialism Jul 21 03:10:23 pjz: I accept plenty, thanks for you concern. Jul 21 03:10:27 i gotta get qemu working so i can start working on imports for evolution and thunderbird Jul 21 03:10:58 peepsalot: :) Jul 21 03:11:00 why does installing the packages break the bootup indicator bar in the graphic? Jul 21 03:11:02 and how is the touchscreen, is it responsive? Jul 21 03:11:09 progress bar Jul 21 03:11:14 (I found suprisingly few reviews) Jul 21 03:11:42 how is the SHR coming along? Jul 21 03:11:42 ya it is gotta wait like 30 seconds after boot for applications to work but after that double tap and bam it launches Jul 21 03:12:03 I Jul 21 03:12:26 I'd also whish they included some more keys on the outside Jul 21 03:13:00 (uhm, yeah, my grammar is bad) Jul 21 03:13:23 "wrong image format for bootm command". hm. Jul 21 03:13:45 lookging for a program to setup gtk theme in asu Jul 21 03:14:05 I think zsnes needs to be ported ;) Jul 21 03:14:18 there goes my battery again Jul 21 03:14:20 ;P Jul 21 03:18:42 huh the uboot update actually added a button to asu that allows you to bring up its keyboard if it hides without haveing to switcho ut and back in to applications Jul 21 03:20:50 i have gtk apps working in the asu including the terminal just got to get the theme up so its not ugly as crap ola Jul 21 03:22:11 gps isn't working though hmm Jul 21 03:23:13 How do I verify while logged in what image release I am running Jul 21 03:23:38 reason kobo shows in applications is "/usr/share/applications/kobodeluxe.desktop" says Categories=Games when it should be "game" Jul 21 03:25:52 what's the package name of the terminal app for ASU? or is there not one? Jul 21 03:26:13 theres not one. i have the openmoko-terminal2 installed Jul 21 03:26:27 had to make a custom .desktop file for it but i can pastebin it if you want Jul 21 03:28:19 SirBob1701: only if you tell me what to do with the .desktop file too :) Jul 21 03:28:45 lol just paste it in the existing openmoko-terminal2.desktop file in /usr/share/applications Jul 21 03:28:56 make sure to delete whats there first though Jul 21 03:29:55 its /usr/share/applications/openmoko-terminal.desktop lol not terminal2. though package is named that Jul 21 03:31:11 oh in asu don't use the speakerphone lol Jul 21 03:31:53 I'll have to make mine manage to register before I worry about that :) Jul 21 03:32:03 lol Jul 21 03:32:12 does anyone know where the gps data is stored? the data that makes it not require a "cold start" every time? Jul 21 03:32:19 it doesn't show status of gregistering Jul 21 03:32:22 even with 2007.2 it only seems to register once it's been rebooted twice Jul 21 03:32:31 SirBob1701: yeah, that's a bit annoying :) Jul 21 03:32:52 ya pjz what iamge are you using? Jul 21 03:33:10 peepsalot: It's not. Jul 21 03:33:20 SirBob1701: today's ASU, though I thought it was qtopia :) Jul 21 03:33:44 adsllc, so every time you boot, that counts as a cold start? Jul 21 03:33:53 peepsalot: yup Jul 21 03:34:19 The hardware is capable, there's just no software to drive it yet. Jul 21 03:34:20 ok, that's what I was thinking, but some people seemed to be telling me otherwise Jul 21 03:34:32 pjz: lol. besides registering does it seem to work? Jul 21 03:34:43 SirBob1701: yah, what I've seen of it Jul 21 03:34:43 speakerphone doesn't work in qtopia proper either Jul 21 03:34:55 just whines with a real high pitch Jul 21 03:34:59 SirBob1701: I played some minesweeper :) Jul 21 03:35:13 * kd8ikt like the game net Jul 21 03:35:16 i might flash up to it tommorrow cause im on july15th image right now Jul 21 03:35:29 and upgrade is giving me a libefreet0 error Jul 21 03:35:51 oh, I'm even running it off of an SD card right now Jul 21 03:36:08 oo Jul 21 03:36:12 does it make it slower? Jul 21 03:36:27 I dunno, I haven't seen it run execpt off of SD :) Jul 21 03:36:33 2007.2 is in flash Jul 21 03:36:38 haha oh Jul 21 03:36:48 Should I be flashing something other then from April in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/???? Jul 21 03:36:54 ie. I haven't reflashed, I just partitioned up an SD card Jul 21 03:37:09 pjz: http://pastebin.ca/1078070 Jul 21 03:38:54 SirBob1701: okay, so with ASU what's the diff between reflashing and just doing opkg update && opkg upgrade ? Jul 21 03:40:24 honestly i'm not sure. i think the upgrade does work. it looks like kernel updates do add features to it though so i'm kinda confused by that Jul 21 03:40:36 unless i'm mind fucking myself Jul 21 03:41:57 should it be ok to have multiple simultaneousssh sessions into openmoko? Jul 21 03:42:27 ya i do it alot Jul 21 03:43:05 ok, cause gftp was acting funny for a while there. i had it connected over usb, using ssh protocol and it got disconnected somehow Jul 21 03:43:18 oo Jul 21 03:43:36 makes a nice file browser though Jul 21 03:44:41 i had an ssh terminal session open, and i closed that and restarted gftp, and it seemed to work fine. not sure if it was coincidence, or if the second session caused a problem somehow Jul 21 03:45:32 hmm Jul 21 03:45:35 Anyone seen "wrong image format for bootm" ? Jul 21 03:46:45 How to set fonts? Jul 21 03:48:29 does anyone else get a ton of noise? can i get someone's gsmhandset.state file to try Jul 21 03:48:44 Hobart: in u-boot? Maybe the previous ext2load or fatloca Jul 21 03:49:00 bah, damn olpc keyboard Jul 21 03:49:29 does anyone happen to remember how to restart the x-server? Jul 21 03:49:39 ... or fatload failed. Try running those commands manually from the u-boot console Jul 21 03:50:01 Yasumoto: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Jul 21 03:50:03 mmontour -> yeah. Just tried using dfu-util to put in the latest uboot / image ( Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 / uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ) Jul 21 03:50:07 jk, it's /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart in case anyone wants to know Jul 21 03:50:13 ah, thanks SirBob1701 :) Jul 21 03:50:24 anyone know how to change the gtk theme in ASU? Jul 21 03:50:26 (I recalled /etc/init.d and it was easy from there) Jul 21 03:51:26 Hobart: did you flash the u-boot image to the kernel partition? Jul 21 03:52:56 i messed with gsmhandset.state and now it's f'ed up. does anyone know where I could get the default file? Jul 21 03:53:20 mmontour -> yes Jul 21 03:53:50 Ah, that would do it. You want a "uImage" for the kernel. "u-boot" is the bootloader (equivalent of PC BIOS + grub) Jul 21 03:54:45 anyone know to how get the contacts stuff to read *all* the contacts off the SIM card? Jul 21 03:54:54 mmontour -> Hrm... but the Openmoko-blahblah.jffs2 to rootfs is correct, just uboot-....bin -> kernel is wrong? Jul 21 03:55:30 jffs2 to rootfs is correct. Just flash a uImage to the kernel partition and you should be OK. Jul 21 03:57:43 okeydoke. Should the uboot have gone to another partition? Jul 21 03:58:10 anyone know why pressing '0' on the keybaord in asu gets me } instead? Jul 21 03:58:12 the devel list archives seem to only show a week. has it really only been around that long? Jul 21 03:58:16 and more imporantly, how to fix? Jul 21 03:58:32 peepsalot: I think it was renamed from a diferent couple of lists Jul 21 03:58:42 ah, looks like u-boot Jul 21 03:58:55 pjz, was the archive of the old list name lost? Jul 21 03:59:20 peepsalot: no idea. I'd guess not. Jul 21 03:59:38 pjz: works for me... Jul 21 03:59:40 was it changed from openmoko-devel to just devel ? seems like I heard someone talking about openmoko-devel list, but that doesn't seem to exist Jul 21 03:59:49 mmontour -> thank you! Jul 21 04:00:03 pjz: can you see if diversity locks for you? Jul 21 04:00:09 don't install gpsd lol Jul 21 04:00:13 i want to see if it locks without it Jul 21 04:00:27 peepsalot: the lists were re-arranged recently. You can access some of the older ones through www.gmane.org (not sure if they're still available on lists.openmoko.org) Jul 21 04:01:18 anyone else try to up the value for mic2 and as a result get a lot of noise in the speaker? Jul 21 04:01:35 nm don't install agps or tanggps on asu it screws it up Jul 21 04:01:36 lol Jul 21 04:01:38 night all Jul 21 04:02:32 mmontour, i've never used gmane before. don't understand how it works. looks like newsgroup names Jul 21 04:04:46 It's a gateway that allows you to access mailing lists through NNTP or through a web-based interface Jul 21 04:05:21 Navigate down to gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.* and you'll see the OM lists (although some of them have different names) Jul 21 04:11:55 how does one go about adhoc wifi (i've never mest with it before) Jul 21 04:14:45 oh guess the AR6 needs to be able to go into master mode (and it cant) Jul 21 04:15:07 guess what (i like using brackets) Jul 21 04:15:10 whats a good recent image I can be running on my phone? Jul 21 04:15:19 newest? Jul 21 04:15:24 newest that works Jul 21 04:15:43 FR or 1973 Jul 21 04:15:52 thats from April Jul 21 04:15:55 What's 'Exposure' ? Jul 21 04:15:59 this month would be nice Jul 21 04:16:06 FR Jul 21 04:16:08 sorry Jul 21 04:16:24 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Jul 21 04:16:46 20080721 doesn't break? Jul 21 04:17:26 which are the files I need to dfu? Jul 21 04:17:29 so many in there Jul 21 04:17:40 Mine is a GTA02BV5 Jul 21 04:17:44 :p i'm always a day behind Jul 21 04:18:03 just flashed 20 like 4hrs ago Jul 21 04:18:11 there is dev, qtopia, lowlevel Jul 21 04:18:23 hrmm Jul 21 04:19:15 Uimage-latest (kernel/initrd) and the *.jffs images (rootfs's) Jul 21 04:19:59 Whats the difference between the two Uimage filesin that dir? Jul 21 04:20:28 and there is also two *.jffs2 files also Jul 21 04:20:51 well I guess mroe then 2, 4 Jul 21 04:22:00 kd8ikt? Jul 21 04:22:02 anyone active on the moko git repo? Jul 21 04:22:05 what Jul 21 04:22:09 see above Jul 21 04:22:22 there is like 4 jffs files in there Jul 21 04:22:28 and 2 uImage Jul 21 04:22:30 yea Jul 21 04:22:31 which do I want? Jul 21 04:22:42 get the latest uimage Jul 21 04:22:53 they both have the same date Jul 21 04:23:07 uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 21 04:23:18 and the jffs file? Jul 21 04:23:32 somewhat confusing Jul 21 04:23:35 openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Jul 21 04:23:40 Thanks Jul 21 04:23:43 you dont have to flash it Jul 21 04:23:49 no? Jul 21 04:23:56 easier way? Jul 21 04:24:02 for what Jul 21 04:24:16 you dont have to flash it Jul 21 04:24:33 ugh Jul 21 04:28:11 is grabbing an image from the buildhost effectively any different than doing opkg update && opkg upgrade everyday? Jul 21 04:28:51 dont think the kernel gets updated via opkg Jul 21 04:29:08 last upgrade i did, i saw some message about updating the kernel Jul 21 04:29:24 pretty sure it can Jul 21 04:35:11 well I don't see any instructions for putting a new kernel on without using dfu Jul 21 04:36:55 I've done it once wiht dd Jul 21 04:37:21 IIRC Jul 21 04:37:32 just dd the kernel image to the right flash partition. Jul 21 04:37:40 There a page that goes over that? Jul 21 04:37:54 carrar, do "opkg list_installed | grep kernel" at the top are three suspicious packages Jul 21 04:38:16 kernel, kernel-2.6.24, and kernel-image-2.6.24 Jul 21 04:38:18 carrar: no Jul 21 04:38:34 kernel-image-2.6.24 - 1:2.6.24+git20080424-r0 - Jul 21 04:38:59 looks like a kernel image to me, but I don't know a whole lot about what opkg is doing Jul 21 04:39:28 Well I just finaly was able to flash it after installing a ubuntu machine here Jul 21 04:39:55 didn't know I could updated the kernel without flashing per above Jul 21 04:40:27 without any sort of documentation it's hard to know wtf I'm doing :) Jul 21 04:40:47 i guess the first two (kernel, and kernel-2.6.24 are psuedo packages that just depend on kernel-image-2.6.24?) Jul 21 04:41:27 yeah I flashed the April release ealier today Jul 21 04:56:12 does anyone know how voicemail notifications are normally done by providers? Jul 21 04:57:24 chillywilly: sms for me Jul 21 04:57:34 doc|home: you have it working? Jul 21 04:57:54 nope, have barely played with mine at all besides flashing it twice Jul 21 04:58:02 doc|home: what are you running on your freerunner? Jul 21 04:58:17 chillywilly: last I tried was ASU. I wouldn't recommend it. still looking about now. Jul 21 04:58:37 how to set clock position to the top right ? Jul 21 04:59:18 doc|home: well the quick n' di5Crty thing is to run qtopia proper if you actually want to use your phone, IMHO ;) But that takes all the hacking fun out of it Jul 21 04:59:55 * chillywilly kicks his openwrt around some Jul 21 05:02:47 chillywilly: hehe Jul 21 05:03:08 you can still hack on qtopia Jul 21 05:03:29 there's a lot less docs I found for that ;P Jul 21 05:06:30 doc|home: how goes the battle with ups? Jul 21 05:06:54 macdonalder: no response from openmoko so need to ring ups on monday again Jul 21 05:07:33 that sux Jul 21 05:07:34 what a pain... Jul 21 05:10:38 GPS time sync Jul 21 05:30:09 * kd8ikt is the only person in USA awake Jul 21 05:30:45 nope! Jul 21 05:31:27 just got finished editing all my /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files Jul 21 05:31:35 * thewtex is sleeping Jul 21 05:31:38 I'm flashing that image Jul 21 05:31:45 since I don't know any other way Jul 21 05:32:04 i think sleep/suspend is working on mine sofar Jul 21 05:32:23 mine died in the middle of the night last night while I was sleeping Jul 21 05:32:33 I didn't even get to say goodbye Jul 21 05:32:58 dunno if calls will awaken it from suspend or not Jul 21 05:33:16 kd8ikt: i'm in teh USA and awake Jul 21 05:33:16 it was out of battery life Jul 21 05:33:46 what format is the +CTZV in? I'm at GMT-8 and I get back 138 Jul 21 05:34:22 someone want to call my phone see if it wakes up from suspend? Jul 21 05:34:35 kd8ikt: are you in north america? Jul 21 05:34:40 Cinci Ohio Jul 21 05:34:43 sure Jul 21 05:34:45 whats your #? Jul 21 05:34:50 i get free long distance at this hour Jul 21 05:34:51 513 476 nine six nine four Jul 21 05:35:06 haha Jul 21 05:35:12 * kd8ikt doesnt think it will wake up Jul 21 05:35:32 dialing Jul 21 05:35:42 ringing Jul 21 05:35:51 has anyone install the astersk package on their phone? Can it interface into the gsm module? Jul 21 05:36:15 heh Jul 21 05:36:21 dude Jul 21 05:36:23 like a zap_openmoko Jul 21 05:36:26 it worked Jul 21 05:36:32 winsauce Jul 21 05:36:51 i wont touch if for like an hour and try again Jul 21 05:37:23 i was mad earlier when i was out Jul 21 05:37:32 iwlist scan wasnt working Jul 21 05:38:00 resource unavailable or some junk Jul 21 05:38:09 even after a cold reboot Jul 21 05:39:47 carrar: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ Jul 21 05:40:04 why run asterisk on it when you could just be an asterisk client? Jul 21 05:41:18 Jul 21 05:41:34 but i still think its better then having asterisk on the phone Jul 21 05:44:32 no finished client app? Jul 21 05:45:06 nice, boote up on 20080721 release Jul 21 05:45:10 booted Jul 21 05:45:36 nice to not have to load all those packages, just part of the system Jul 21 05:52:05 iwlist scanning is probably one of the coolest commands I've never heard of Jul 21 05:52:14 talk about making my life a million times easier Jul 21 05:52:28 (before, I'd have to open up my laptop to get the essid name to connect to) Jul 21 05:53:00 doh! Jul 21 05:53:02 killed x Jul 21 05:58:32 im glad the GPS issue is fixed now Jul 21 05:58:37 but what means "out of stock"? Jul 21 06:02:45 beni_, is it? Jul 21 06:20:03 hi .. what mediaplayers can i run on Freerunner? Jul 21 06:26:25 opkg list |grep mediaplayer Jul 21 06:29:11 How's it going, OM land? Jul 21 06:30:41 'Lo Jul 21 06:31:07 morning Jul 21 06:31:21 Morning, Methril! Jul 21 06:38:36 Hey question anyone even make a phone call, it shows it's making a phone call but no dial tone, so you close the phone app, then a minute later the call goes through? Jul 21 06:41:09 good morning Jul 21 06:41:15 hey Jul 21 06:43:08 trix: look at the topic Jul 21 06:43:13 Openmoko | Freerunner is out of stock. | Offici Jul 21 06:43:30 ;) Jul 21 06:43:35 * kd8ikt has one Jul 21 06:43:42 but that only means that currently there are no devices left, but additional ones will be produced, right? Jul 21 06:43:49 mine is on the way also Jul 21 06:43:49 i'll sell it to you for 600$ Jul 21 06:43:52 finally got tangogps workin Jul 21 06:43:52 :D Jul 21 06:43:54 thats nice Jul 21 06:44:04 how many did they make? Jul 21 06:44:42 enough to pay the bills Jul 21 06:45:54 any time you run out of stock in the first WEEK of the item going on sale, my guess is do really didn't know your consumer base Jul 21 06:46:46 aphopper failed to build :( Jul 21 06:47:24 anyone a super shell scripter? Jul 21 06:47:47 'morning Jul 21 06:48:18 was tossing around the idea of a script that iwlist scans (finds openAP's) try;s to connect, if ping works every say.. min or so stay, if not repeat Jul 21 06:48:25 I write my fair share of bash scripts and init scripts Jul 21 06:48:42 ls Jul 21 06:48:50 think thats possible carrar Jul 21 06:48:51 that should be fairly easy Jul 21 06:49:04 lets do it! Jul 21 06:49:26 for one how do we get the essid of an open ap Jul 21 06:49:38 doesn't list do that Jul 21 06:49:53 I saw that command option someplace Jul 21 06:49:53 yes but how do we parse that data and get the raw essid Jul 21 06:49:57 iwlist scan Jul 21 06:50:08 parse it to a tmp file Jul 21 06:50:20 or parse it in a for i loop Jul 21 06:52:15 sed/awk stuff Jul 21 06:52:36 yup Jul 21 06:52:58 yup Jul 21 06:53:26 Cell 01 - Address: 00:14:F2:DA:1C:80 Jul 21 06:53:30 Cell 02 - Address: 00:19:CB:10:44:0A Jul 21 06:53:42 just part the ESSID that comes after Jul 21 06:53:44 parse Jul 21 06:53:48 cake Jul 21 06:56:29 so something like this to start out Jul 21 06:56:29 root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scanning | egrep "ESSID" Jul 21 06:56:30 ESSID:"" Jul 21 06:56:30 ESSID:"mmaestas" Jul 21 06:56:30 ESSID:"moko" Jul 21 06:56:39 then pipe it through awk -F: '{print $2}' Jul 21 06:57:31 but we need to know if its key is off/ on before we try to associate with it Jul 21 06:57:31 oh, thought you were saying the gps fix was in. didn't see any other mention of it. Jul 21 06:57:31 then insert that in the for i loop Jul 21 06:57:31 only problem iwlist does not tell you what type of encryption Jul 21 06:58:03 i was thinking more along the line of only openAP's Jul 21 06:58:11 for i in `iwlist eth0 scanning | egrep "ESSID" | awk -F: '{print $2}' `; do echo "please hack $i";done Jul 21 06:58:17 oh Jul 21 06:58:29 then we can key on the Encryption key:off Jul 21 06:58:51 just grep Encyrption key Jul 21 06:59:04 cept you also need the essid Jul 21 06:59:33 can you awk the whole thing into an array Jul 21 07:00:53 yeah Jul 21 07:01:14 or multiple awks into an array? of course there is always a chance of cells switching in the queue Jul 21 07:01:20 or do it twice , key on essid, then run through again on ones that are just off for encryption Jul 21 07:01:49 thats called thinking alike Jul 21 07:02:26 I have like a few dozen AP's here downtown dpending where I set the phone Jul 21 07:02:37 problem is I cant test only one site where I am, right now Jul 21 07:03:25 array is gonna be the best choice Jul 21 07:03:43 cause you will eventually want to key on ones with better signal to noise ratio Jul 21 07:03:53 wk '/ESSID|key:off/' iwlist.log Jul 21 07:03:58 awk '/ESSID|key:off/' iwlist.log Jul 21 07:04:31 danm phone locking up tonight Jul 21 07:04:41 brb Jul 21 07:04:50 sound like a cristmas carol Jul 21 07:08:10 this is quite a toughy Jul 21 07:09:48 turned of pwr saver think it dont like the usb Jul 21 07:11:08 http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/wireless.html Jul 21 07:16:37 looks pretty close Jul 21 07:16:54 yeah but not nearly automated and requires user input Jul 21 07:17:00 :P Jul 21 07:18:15 hello all. Jul 21 07:18:42 new freerunner owner here. Jul 21 07:18:59 lucky you Jul 21 07:19:08 am i barging in on any discussion (it's been literally years since the last time i've used irc...) Jul 21 07:20:12 lucky perhaps but fairly well frustrated. Jul 21 07:22:02 I guy asked me if FR is for "him", I think I finally got the answer ask him, "Do you like watch fireworks from afar or would you rather build and set them off yourself even though it will take more time and you will never see them as well? If your answer is the latter then openmoko is for you. Jul 21 07:22:53 having some trouble getting usb networking going. i'm able to ssh into it, but not ping out, anyone feel like lending a hand? Jul 21 07:23:15 it's your gateway Jul 21 07:23:18 vandykee: did you set the nameservers in resolv.conf? Jul 21 07:23:26 and do you have ipv4 forwarding setup on the pc? Jul 21 07:23:45 that's what ive been fiddling with. Jul 21 07:24:10 wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 21 07:24:17 Freerunner is OUT OF STOCK!?!?! Jul 21 07:24:20 that describes everything you need to do Jul 21 07:24:23 been on that wiki page all day. Jul 21 07:24:25 I am yet to get my second one Jul 21 07:24:29 newb: until the 25, yup Jul 21 07:24:34 hehe, ok Jul 21 07:24:49 should the nameserver be the same at the host computer's? Jul 21 07:24:57 vandykee: no Jul 21 07:25:08 vandykee: it should be the DNS of your network Jul 21 07:25:12 vandykee: or Jul 21 07:25:21 u could run BIND on ur host computer Jul 21 07:25:25 and forward requests Jul 21 07:25:41 to your n/w Jul 21 07:25:59 hmm i'm not too slick with this stuff just yet. Jul 21 07:26:13 ya are you behind a router? Jul 21 07:26:16 vandykee: don't worry it's easy u'll get a hand of it Jul 21 07:26:18 computer's nameserver is my router address. Jul 21 07:26:24 *hang sorry Jul 21 07:26:30 vandykee: ok Jul 21 07:26:41 then put that in your /etc/resolv.conf Jul 21 07:26:42 also Jul 21 07:26:47 hey carrar Jul 21 07:26:50 frerunner's nameserver should be the computer's IP or the router or neither or both? Jul 21 07:27:07 vandykee: neither Jul 21 07:27:08 vandykee: the nameserver of your computer Jul 21 07:27:11 I instaleld perl Jul 21 07:27:12 awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc <-checkout that suckers output Jul 21 07:27:15 writting it in perl Jul 21 07:27:21 if you have a dns server locally, it should be that Jul 21 07:27:28 noneed Jul 21 07:27:32 otherwise, use your isps, or something from OpenDNS Jul 21 07:27:42 nullpuppy: hes getting confused Jul 21 07:27:49 (like 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220) Jul 21 07:28:01 no ive got you. Jul 21 07:28:03 vandykee: just set it to whatever DNS is for your computer at present Jul 21 07:28:23 see the DNS settings on your computer and set the same for Neo in the /etc/resolv.conf file Jul 21 07:28:42 thx newb let me fiddle with that a moment. Jul 21 07:28:54 awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc |grep -A 1 ESSID <-- only shows ESSID+signal strength of openAP's Jul 21 07:29:28 vandykee: if you have been following the wiki and you set up the /etc/network/interfaces file according to it, make sure you change the address there which over writes the /etc/resolv.conf file to your DNS. Jul 21 07:30:14 whoops that uses my iwlist log ;) Jul 21 07:30:18 how you making iwlist.log? Jul 21 07:30:30 iwlist eth0 scan > iwlist.log Jul 21 07:30:42 heh Jul 21 07:30:47 well it works not too bad then Jul 21 07:32:42 newb: i was thinking of commenting out the line in /etc/network/interfaces so that it would not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf at least temporarily. but maybe that would break things. Jul 21 07:33:31 vandykee: not really. you could change the address in that to the DNS of your network. Jul 21 07:33:32 newb: but now i'm finding my router didn't even have opendns set up in the router's config so let's see how this goes. Jul 21 07:33:56 vandykee: your router is resolving the DNS requests right? so it shouldn't be an issue Jul 21 07:34:04 array= awk '/ESSID|key:off|Quality/' iwlist.log |egrep -B 2 Enc |grep -A 1 ESSID Jul 21 07:34:04 len=${#array[*]} Jul 21 07:36:35 newb: i think the trouble is both the computer and the FR have "nameserver 192.168.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf Jul 21 07:36:52 newb: which is the address of my router Jul 21 07:37:19 vandykee: if you are accessing thru ur computer Jul 21 07:37:29 u need to change the interfaces section there also Jul 21 07:37:32 for usb0 Jul 21 07:49:19 http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/gadget-lab-vi-1.html Jul 21 07:51:15 vandykee: still stuck? Jul 21 07:51:31 newb: seems like it. Jul 21 07:51:42 vandykee: hehe... Jul 21 07:51:47 vandykee: never mind Jul 21 07:51:50 tell me what have u done? Jul 21 07:52:06 vandykee: are you trying to set up USB networking? or thru WLAN? Jul 21 07:52:30 newb: let's slow down here. trying to get usb networking. i know im close but it seems like one thing is off. Jul 21 07:52:40 vandykee: ok Jul 21 07:53:00 vandykee: what output u get on ifconfig? Jul 21 07:53:20 sorry kd8ikt, my scripting skill are a little rusty Jul 21 07:53:25 vandykee: first which OS are you on? Jul 21 07:53:55 newb: v Jul 21 07:53:59 whoops Jul 21 07:54:06 newb: usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A6:9C:5C:F7:FB:5C Jul 21 07:54:06 inet addr:192.168.0.202 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Jul 21 07:54:06 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Jul 21 07:54:06 RX packets:4595 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 Jul 21 07:54:07 TX packets:2818 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Jul 21 07:54:09 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 Jul 21 07:54:11 RX bytes:362033 (353.5 KiB) TX bytes:400512 (391.1 KiB) Jul 21 07:54:27 what your route -n say? Jul 21 07:54:37 vandykee: ok what about your other interfaces? are they also on 192.168.0.*? Jul 21 07:55:19 ok host computer is fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 (HH) Jul 21 07:55:30 router address is 192.168.0.1 Jul 21 07:55:42 root@om-gta02:~# ./fw Jul 21 07:55:42 01 00:14:F2:DA:1C:80 "" on Jul 21 07:55:42 02 00:18:3F:4E:FA:09 "2WIRE378" on Jul 21 07:55:42 03 00:19:CB:10:44:0A "moko" off Jul 21 07:55:43 above is output from ifconfig on freerunner. Jul 21 07:55:45 heh Jul 21 07:55:50 vandykee: ah... i see the problem Jul 21 07:56:13 root@om-gta02:~# route -n Jul 21 07:56:13 Kernel IP routing table Jul 21 07:56:13 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Jul 21 07:56:13 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 21 07:56:13 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 21 07:56:18 ok educate me? Jul 21 07:57:05 * newb goes for lunch or other ppl gobble it up Jul 21 07:57:11 you have no valid default route Jul 21 07:57:17 that's the problem Jul 21 07:57:30 vandykee: brb Jul 21 07:58:02 ieatlint: easy solution? Jul 21 07:58:30 i only just joined a second ago, so i don't know exactly what you're trying to do Jul 21 07:58:33 get online via wifi? Jul 21 07:58:36 usb Jul 21 07:58:50 and the route -n on the ubuntu? Jul 21 07:59:12 oh, then wow... nm, you do have a valid default route :P Jul 21 07:59:48 hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? Jul 21 08:00:10 desktop:~$ route -n Jul 21 08:00:10 Kernel IP routing table Jul 21 08:00:10 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Jul 21 08:00:10 192.168.0.202 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 21 08:00:10 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 Jul 21 08:00:11 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 21 08:00:13 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 Jul 21 08:00:15 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 usb0 Jul 21 08:00:17 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 Jul 21 08:00:19 hmm i bet that's not right. Jul 21 08:01:16 according to that route list, your ip for the usb0 interface is 192.168.0.202 Jul 21 08:01:17 and your etc/resolv.conf has: nameserver 192.168.0. Jul 21 08:01:38 your computer should be .200, and the freerunner is .202 (by default) Jul 21 08:01:40 and your etc/resolv.conf has: nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jul 21 08:01:40 yikes use pastebin Jul 21 08:02:38 if that's @ me sry, i haven't used irc in multiple years, just getting back into the swing of it... Jul 21 08:02:49 np Jul 21 08:02:55 Here you go kd8: Jul 21 08:02:56 01 00:14:F2:DA:1C:80 "" 1 -72 on Jul 21 08:02:56 02 00:18:3F:4E:FA:09 "2WIRE378" 6 -92 on Jul 21 08:02:56 03 00:19:CB:10:44:0A "moko" 9 -46 off Jul 21 08:02:57 heh Jul 21 08:02:58 are you trying to do nat over the usb or route? Jul 21 08:03:04 ok bed time Jul 21 08:03:19 because if it's routing over the usb0 device, then you have some errors in your routes Jul 21 08:03:51 that last route -n was from the ubuntu not his FR Jul 21 08:04:01 yeah Jul 21 08:04:06 well, there are problems Jul 21 08:04:28 since he is using the same ip subnets on eth0 and usb0, the computer can't distinguish between the 2 networks easily Jul 21 08:04:41 oh ok. Jul 21 08:04:55 and, if he wants to try and route packets through his computer, then he only set the route one way Jul 21 08:05:03 right. Jul 21 08:05:42 maybe this is really nubile... by default my ubuntu /etc/resolv.conf had only nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jul 21 08:06:09 i still want to know what his /etc/resolv.conf says on the FR not ubuntu Jul 21 08:06:10 that's not "default" ... that was set by your dhcp client Jul 21 08:06:11 which is my router's address. should i set that up to use the opendns addresses first off? Jul 21 08:06:26 your router is acting as a dns-relay Jul 21 08:06:40 so no, you do not need to (but you could) Jul 21 08:07:20 carrar where's the code? Jul 21 08:07:38 ok hang on Jul 21 08:07:41 install perl Jul 21 08:07:44 1st Jul 21 08:07:53 ok Jul 21 08:08:51 railer what should it be? the /etc/resolv.conf on the FR.... i've tried nameserver = 192.168.0.1 (router, aka same as resolv.conf on ubuntu) and .200 (ubuntu usb address) Jul 21 08:09:24 sry dont let me overlap. Jul 21 08:09:45 try and see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking under Routing Jul 21 08:09:51 it should be nameserver = 192.168.0.1 on the fr Jul 21 08:10:04 carrar: gonna pastebin that script? Jul 21 08:10:05 Hau been there done that Jul 21 08:10:41 couldnt of done it with python? considering the moko has it in it already Jul 21 08:10:55 vandykee, especailly the "route add -host" part Jul 21 08:11:22 railer: http://www.osburn.com/scanwifi Jul 21 08:12:14 very nice Jul 21 08:12:22 i still don't get what he's even trying to do... Jul 21 08:12:32 vandykee: are you just trying to ssh from your computer into the phone via usb? Jul 21 08:12:35 then you can just parse for off Jul 21 08:12:49 and try to attach Jul 21 08:12:58 vandykee can usb in but no internet connection, Jul 21 08:13:19 HauDyrArb, ieatlint : thanks ive got that, in so much as i'm able to ssh into my fr, but not ping out from it. Jul 21 08:13:35 vandykee, you got a ubuntu box? Jul 21 08:13:42 carrar: yep Jul 21 08:13:43 I ended up just installing ubuntu on a box Jul 21 08:13:48 vandykee: ok, did you follow a guide from the wiki about setting up internet on your freerunner over usb? Jul 21 08:13:50 lsusb Jul 21 08:13:51 just did that Jul 21 08:13:53 type that Jul 21 08:14:00 with your phone plugged in Jul 21 08:14:20 get anything? Jul 21 08:14:33 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Jul 21 08:14:42 carrar: he just said he could ssh to the phone Jul 21 08:14:45 yes. Jul 21 08:14:46 oh Jul 21 08:14:47 haha Jul 21 08:15:00 he needs routing on the box Jul 21 08:15:02 cake Jul 21 08:15:04 its getting the phone to talk to the internet thats the trouble. Jul 21 08:15:11 vandykee: ok, so you followed a guide ... did the guide tell you to run iptables commands? Jul 21 08:15:17 right thats the part im not too sharp on. Jul 21 08:15:24 edit /etc/network/interfaces Jul 21 08:15:33 and add, I'll bin paste it Jul 21 08:15:50 under the ubuntu/gutsy/feisty yes i have that. Jul 21 08:16:30 http://pastebin.com/m62abafe2 Jul 21 08:16:34 thats my config Jul 21 08:16:43 also Jul 21 08:16:51 patched also. Jul 21 08:16:54 make sure resolv.conf matches your box Jul 21 08:17:01 (on the phone) Jul 21 08:17:10 dns is the last thing to worry about Jul 21 08:17:21 vandykee: ok, so did you run the iptables commands? Jul 21 08:17:38 as shown here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables Jul 21 08:18:01 that part maybe not yet 1 sec Jul 21 08:18:18 carrar: this is what i have sofar http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/auto_con_open_AP.sh.txt Jul 21 08:18:43 wait, who wrote those iptables commands in the wiki? Jul 21 08:18:45 that makes no sense Jul 21 08:19:34 oh, i see, they're just talking about forwarding dns Jul 21 08:19:38 well with perl we can put them in a array, sort by signal strength, then attach to the 1st in the list Jul 21 08:19:56 oh Jul 21 08:19:56 that has encryption off Jul 21 08:20:13 much easier in perl Jul 21 08:20:47 carrar: just about every language can support that kind of thing Jul 21 08:20:51 yeah Jul 21 08:20:58 i cant remember the last time i played with perl Jul 21 08:21:09 linked lists Jul 21 08:21:28 I use perl/php/postgres/mysql almost every day Jul 21 08:21:39 well damn Jul 21 08:21:55 so just easier for me that way Jul 21 08:22:19 the best way to handle such a thing is to use something like sqlite and wpa_supplicant.conf Jul 21 08:22:40 wpa_supplicant can handle configuring the interface as long as you feed it a valid config Jul 21 08:22:44 i had issues with wpa_supplicant + openAP's Jul 21 08:23:08 i think its easier to just iwconfig eth0 essid "essid" and udhcpc eth0 Jul 21 08:23:18 works fine here, just need to set "key_mgmt=NONE" Jul 21 08:23:24 then go editing/prepending crap to wpa_supplicant Jul 21 08:23:52 beside what carrar did will port nicely to a phyton and a GUI Jul 21 08:24:24 and if you switch from an encrypted network to an open network without turning off the phone, how well will that work? it'll still have the other settings cached, including the old AP's mac Jul 21 08:25:16 you kill wpa_supplicant Jul 21 08:25:26 ieatlint, i bet those 2 proxying with iptables commands on the wiki could be my ticket. those are to be run on the computer right? Jul 21 08:25:29 should capture the GPS location too for each AP Jul 21 08:25:34 :) Jul 21 08:25:37 heh whynot Jul 21 08:25:42 vandykee: yeah, but you should change it Jul 21 08:25:46 so when you are back in that location Jul 21 08:25:50 it just knows Jul 21 08:25:54 i was reading a project about cacheing gps/celltower stuff Jul 21 08:26:25 carrar: that's overkill, as it can run "iwlist scan" a lot faster :P Jul 21 08:26:39 true Jul 21 08:26:59 maybe use for later mapping Jul 21 08:27:10 and i went wardriving lastnight with gps OMFG there are a lot ofAP's! Jul 21 08:27:25 that database would fill quick Jul 21 08:27:38 just send it all to /dev/null Jul 21 08:27:39 kismet already supports gps for wardriving Jul 21 08:27:46 thats what i was using Jul 21 08:28:16 laptop + wlan0 card +phone(gpspipe) Jul 21 08:28:33 fun Jul 21 08:28:56 oh yeah i have a ALFA usb wlan card with ext antenna 500mW of funk! Jul 21 08:29:08 i was contemplated making a "proof of concept" hack based around wardriving Jul 21 08:29:15 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdcf0705e97ce 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: Add check for problematic /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr values Jul 21 08:29:15 dude last I checked 700,000 in Edmonton Jul 21 08:29:17 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9f1a12f48c2b 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: [sanity] Move the mmap_min_addr check out of arch == arm as ecj-initial fails Jul 21 08:29:30 i need a big 2.4G yagi Jul 21 08:29:48 for every open wifi you hit, at least half are unconfigured waps using default passwords Jul 21 08:30:03 yeah i love changing AP ssid's Jul 21 08:30:11 SetecAstronomy Jul 21 08:30:11 you could write a program that finds those, connects, modifying the route table, and create a sort of DDoS using it ::P Jul 21 08:30:15 thanks all for the help so far. still not fixed but i'll document any progress i make along the way. probably i'll be back much more (and be able to help with this question once i solve it). Jul 21 08:30:18 i got yagis and 1 watt usb wifi, Jul 21 08:30:27 aw Jul 21 08:30:31 hehe Jul 21 08:30:52 get 2 miles Jul 21 08:30:59 yep Jul 21 08:31:11 i set up a p2p link with something similar once Jul 21 08:31:16 went 1.5 miles Jul 21 08:31:27 from steve wozniak's house no less :P Jul 21 08:32:19 steve used to have his house connected via a T1 with zero security a long time ago Jul 21 08:32:26 I hope once digital tv is up some of those vhf/uhf signals get digital wifi, Jul 21 08:32:33 we'll leave it at that Jul 21 08:32:34 yeah, it was a t1 when i was there Jul 21 08:32:50 the guy doesn't care much for securitz Jul 21 08:32:59 no he doesn't Jul 21 08:33:03 heh Jul 21 08:33:18 i have a wifi (i won't tell you where) which boats 3.5 miles coverage Jul 21 08:33:23 network * Jul 21 08:33:28 boasts * Jul 21 08:33:30 contactRE = re.compile('^RSTR=[^,]*,\s*"?([^",]*)"?\s*,[^,]*,"?(.*?)"?\'?\s*$') Jul 21 08:33:34 lots of spelling mistakes this morning Jul 21 08:33:34 whoops Jul 21 08:34:03 that consists of 2 repeaters and the core router itself Jul 21 08:34:29 that being a cisco as5400 uni gateway Jul 21 08:34:54 how high antenna? Jul 21 08:35:22 directional or omni? Jul 21 08:35:47 it's about 27cm in height, and it's directional Jul 21 08:36:22 no push up? internal or external? what type of antenna? Jul 21 08:36:25 well, i have a wap that boasts about 30 metres! Jul 21 08:36:44 and then i've got a zmax helping to support it Jul 21 08:37:22 all internal, it's only office based stuff Jul 21 08:38:12 it's the repeaters which extend the coverage tho really Jul 21 08:40:14 http://www.simple-wifi.com/ Jul 21 08:40:27 alfa ones I have Jul 21 08:41:15 ok it's the repeaters, no I got 2 miles no repeaters, and no happy neighbors Jul 21 08:41:43 the extenders were the costly bit Jul 21 08:42:14 I've looked into tweeking my router and usb wifi shifting the freq beyond the normal channels Jul 21 08:42:33 look at the channels others around you're using Jul 21 08:42:38 and then use a channel which nobody else is using Jul 21 08:42:42 that helps Jul 21 08:42:55 people don't know that :-) Jul 21 08:43:31 use channel 1 or 11 but there is so much bleed it's almost pointless Jul 21 08:44:26 how do you put a url in, in minimo Jul 21 08:46:04 Hi, I am not a deveoper but am willing to contribute to free software in other ways (and do). Is the free runner ready for me to use as a phone and could I contribute in some way at the same time? Jul 21 08:48:17 simoo: it works for the most part as a basic phone. battery life out of the box is extremely short Jul 21 08:48:25 night Jul 21 08:48:56 its not really ready for consumer use, but if you're willing to test/document/etc, thats welcome. Jul 21 08:49:21 nullpuppy: I only have a basic phone a the moment so that would be ok, how short is the battery life and will it improve? Jul 21 08:49:53 without suspend/resume, you get about 6-10hrs standby Jul 21 08:49:59 and yes, it will improve Jul 21 08:50:16 there are people on the ML taht are getting 100+hrs, but i don't know how stable that is Jul 21 08:50:58 nullpuppy: cool, so I could contribute by using the software being developed and reporting back? Jul 21 08:51:09 simoo: i'd think so Jul 21 08:51:11 and document Jul 21 08:51:20 ok thanks Jul 21 08:51:24 no prob Jul 21 08:51:39 just be aware that its not quite stable for a day-to-day phone ;) Jul 21 08:52:30 cheers, I am a liitle used to that kind of thing (rockbox on my ipod etc.) so that should be ok Jul 21 08:52:38 :) cool Jul 21 08:52:50 jamesb Jul 21 08:53:03 wrong kb, sorry Jul 21 08:53:16 hrm, where the heck is the source for openmoko-contacts2 Jul 21 08:55:30 good question nullpuppy Jul 21 08:56:05 founbd it Jul 21 08:56:19 packages/openmoko-pim Jul 21 08:56:27 nullpuppy:Hi again one more question, is the hardware likely to change often? My concern being if a new phone came out in 6 months would I have to buy that one to make use of the developing software? Jul 21 08:56:50 simoo: from the way things have gone so far, i'd say your safe for at least a year Jul 21 08:56:58 ok Jul 21 08:57:23 simoo: and even then, i don't expect the old revisions to just disappear Jul 21 08:57:33 and since many of us have freerunners and paid a lot for it i doubt dev will ever stop for this device Jul 21 08:57:40 ;) Jul 21 08:57:40 like right now, the freerunner is the new phone, but lots of people are still using the neo1973 Jul 21 08:57:41 right, cool Jul 21 08:57:51 kd8ikt: yeah, that too ;) Jul 21 08:58:06 i'm not rich 400 was a lot to shell out Jul 21 08:58:08 * nullpuppy is curious whats going to happen once the schematics come out Jul 21 08:58:15 kd8ikt: yeah, same here Jul 21 08:58:24 this is one expensive toy :) Jul 21 08:58:32 i'm not rich either! Jul 21 08:58:49 kd8ikt: so.. ok, for the contacts thingy.. how would i go about modifying the source to that using bitbake? Jul 21 08:59:07 well. wouldnt you edit the source then bitbake make it? Jul 21 08:59:12 i'm still somewhat unsure on how the build process actually works.. Jul 21 08:59:16 kd8ikt: well, yeah Jul 21 08:59:20 but how do i grab the source? Jul 21 08:59:30 i saw the bitbake package file for it.. Jul 21 09:00:07 or am i looking in the wrong spot... Jul 21 09:00:08 * kd8ikt doesnt like bitbake Jul 21 09:00:32 isnt there talk about a new SDK/env? Jul 21 09:00:50 * nullpuppy has openembedded/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-contacts2_svn.bb but doesn't see anything else really useful... Jul 21 09:01:01 yeah, don't know if theres been any progress on it though Jul 21 09:01:03 * kd8ikt hates that Jul 21 09:02:41 have you tried calling bitbake to make it first Jul 21 09:02:52 does it grab the source and unpack? ifso where Jul 21 09:02:53 not yet Jul 21 09:02:57 hmm Jul 21 09:03:24 this managerie Jul 21 09:04:14 * kd8ikt is still working on his lame auto open AP shell scrip Jul 21 09:04:22 hehe Jul 21 09:05:13 his=This* Jul 21 09:09:51 kd8ikt, nullpuppy: have you guys read the OE and bitbake manuals? Jul 21 09:10:11 rwhitby: nope. i really probably should do that Jul 21 09:10:19 openmoko: 03tick * r4545 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: write the status change after actually updated. Jul 21 09:10:32 hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? Jul 21 09:11:04 I always find it strange that people expect to be able to understand an incredibly complex build environment without reading any of it's documentation. I guess Windows installers have cause society to tend in that direction ... Jul 21 09:11:25 rwhitby: hehe, yeah. Jul 21 09:11:43 i've done lots of cursory reading, but nothing indepth Jul 21 09:12:22 that, and i've been having problems finding clear descriptions of how to do stuff on the om.o wiki. haven't looked ot OE though Jul 21 09:13:02 http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/index.html and http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ should be read from cover to cover before attempting to understand the Openmoko build environment. Jul 21 09:13:15 Otherwise, use the SDK. But it has *no* doco as far as I know. Jul 21 09:13:15 alright Jul 21 09:13:35 what SDK? Jul 21 09:13:51 bitbake is the build env? Jul 21 09:14:39 damn thats a lot of reading rwhitby Jul 21 09:15:08 kd8ikt: sure - you don't get to be able to build a custom linux distribution with a one-pager ... Jul 21 09:15:53 rwhitby: hehe, well, yeah, of course. Jul 21 09:16:00 i just want to poke at some source though ;) Jul 21 09:16:07 nullpuppy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Jul 21 09:16:08 (at the moment) Jul 21 09:16:20 rwhitby: yup, already setup, or at least mostly Jul 21 09:16:47 it's that for single apps, and bitbake/OE for full images. Jul 21 09:17:37 hmm Jul 21 09:18:02 hey rwhitby you active on the bitbake/OE git? Jul 21 09:18:31 kd8ikt: I can't parse that question ... Jul 21 09:18:43 do you make git commits Jul 21 09:18:55 I have in the past, when it was monotone not git. Jul 21 09:19:00 OE, not OM. Jul 21 09:19:11 I run nslu2-linux.org which also uses OE. Jul 21 09:19:50 ah noshit i followed that awhile ago played with some stuff on my openwrt router Jul 21 09:20:02 same CPU or somesuch Jul 21 09:20:06 I haven't made any commits to the git repo yet, since I don't have Openmoko commit rights, and OE hasn't officially switched to git yet. Jul 21 09:38:44 can anybody help me? i'm trying to build the openmoko-mediplayer2 via bitbake -c compile openmoko-mediaplayer2, but it fails with this error: http://nopaste.ch/867097a5864710b.html bitbake libexpat or bitbake expat doesn't help, any ideas? Jul 21 09:40:27 your system needs libexpat? Jul 21 09:41:21 like for ubuntu Jul 21 09:41:21 like for ubuntu Jul 21 09:41:21 Connection to 10.10.10.190 closed. Jul 21 09:41:26 libexpat1-dev Jul 21 09:41:29 whoopz Jul 21 09:42:16 kd8ikt: expat is installed on my gentoo system, but this doesn't affect the openembbeded enviroment, does it? Jul 21 09:42:27 i guess it doesnt then Jul 21 09:43:15 kd8ikt: i made make setup (with the openmoko makefile), then source setup-env; cd openembedded; bitbake -c compile openmoko-mediaplayer2 Jul 21 09:43:45 HdR: building OE on Gentoo is not the best idea - since every Gentoo installation is different, you can't hope for a reproducable build environment. Jul 21 09:44:11 what would you suggest Jul 21 09:44:27 Ubuntu 7.10 Jul 21 09:45:25 but the system libs haven't any connection to the oe libs, right? Jul 21 09:45:39 I used to try and build on CentOS 4 or 5, but gave up - I've found that previous gen Ubuntu seems to be what most of the core devs run, so is most likely to work. Jul 21 09:45:42 i mean the system is x86_64 and the oe should be armv4 Jul 21 09:46:26 HdR: An assumption that every recipe is independent of the host environment is not a correct assumption. Jul 21 09:47:47 It should be a safe assumption in an ideal world with infinite resources to make OE work on every possible distro configuration, but we don't live in that world. Jul 21 09:47:55 but it sounds crazy to need ubuntu to build packages for the neo Oo Jul 21 09:48:35 woot! Jul 21 09:48:42 HdR: how do you expect the hundreds of OE recipe authors to test their recipes on your specific installation of Gentoo? Jul 21 09:48:43 got my freerunner this morning, finally .. Jul 21 09:48:47 * torpor goes YAY! Jul 21 09:48:51 gratz torpor! Jul 21 09:49:01 back to development for me .. Jul 21 09:49:16 * torpor looks at his dying neo1973 . sniff .. bye little fella, i had a good time with you. Jul 21 09:49:28 * torpor strips his freerunner .. hey baby, come over here, i got something for you .. Jul 21 09:49:30 * rwhitby looks at his dying FreeRunner ... Jul 21 09:49:43 lol Jul 21 09:49:49 nooo!! what did you do to it? Jul 21 09:50:24 torpor: see the kernel mailing list - it refuses to power on reliably. Jul 21 09:50:31 oh shit Jul 21 09:50:35 same with my neo Jul 21 09:50:53 oh, I have two neo1973's which are now dead Jul 21 09:51:01 1 out of 4 is working. Jul 21 09:51:04 i have 1 that is dead, and the other is dying Jul 21 09:51:04 thats why i'm wnodering if i should wait to buy a freerunner Jul 21 09:51:16 it sounds like there have been fab errors..? Jul 21 09:52:04 rwhitby: but how can the x86_64 lib work with the armv4t program? Oo Jul 21 09:53:12 rwhitby: i have that on occasion too, but i'm always able to get into uboot... so i often end up going into uboot and then just selecting to boot the standard image Jul 21 09:54:28 feel free to send me a dead phone Jul 21 09:54:36 hmm .. Jul 21 09:54:49 heh Jul 21 09:54:52 how can i finish opkg upgrade when it keeps disconnecting to upgrade dropbear? use screen or somehting? Jul 21 09:55:07 opkg upgrad& Jul 21 09:55:15 opkg upgrad & (worked for me Jul 21 09:56:01 or un it from the moko's terminal Jul 21 09:56:38 i'll do that if screen doesn't work .. Jul 21 09:57:12 that was the next option i was gonna state Jul 21 09:57:57 ieatlint: nRESET (test point under debug connector) never goes high -> PMU is not enabling power on Jul 21 09:58:12 torpor: use screen Jul 21 09:58:19 doing that now Jul 21 09:58:27 it'll disconnect me, right, then i just go back in and screen -R? Jul 21 09:58:58 HdR: BTW, x86_64 is also a bad choice for a stable build system. Use 32bit Ubuntu 7.10 Jul 21 09:59:21 torpor: yep, I use screen -dr but what you said probably works too Jul 21 09:59:46 3rd times a charm.. lets see if this works. Jul 21 09:59:48 i'm using x86_64 on two systems without stability issues Jul 21 10:00:06 i guess i'll stick to 2007.2 for a while, but what are you guys currently using? is ASU good? FSO? Jul 21 10:01:07 Pure qtopia :) Jul 21 10:01:21 ieatlint: x86_64 gentoo? Jul 21 10:01:30 yeah Jul 21 10:01:40 w00t reboot time .. Jul 21 10:01:42 wish me luck! :) Jul 21 10:01:43 perhaps you can help HdR then :-) Jul 21 10:02:22 ok than, can someone build me openmoko-mediaplayer2 with this patch added https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1614 ? Jul 21 10:02:25 openmoko: 03tick * r8984f06e13d1 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding check of email support Jul 21 10:02:27 ieatlint, HdR: you two are both running x86_64 Gentoo, so you should have identical systems, no? Jul 21 10:02:46 identical.. no; similar, probably Jul 21 10:02:50 so you should get the same reproducable build results. Jul 21 10:02:54 rwhitby: similar i think Jul 21 10:03:06 "similar" <- that's the root problem. Jul 21 10:03:08 i could be running different versions of libraries and the like Jul 21 10:03:27 exactly. how do you expect a 100% guaranteed build experience then? Jul 21 10:03:45 i don't i just want to fix the problem Jul 21 10:04:03 uh, i never stated that expectation Jul 21 10:04:20 ieatlint: true - HdR stated that, not you. apologies. Jul 21 10:04:43 but still, gentoo is actually surprisingly good for cross compiling Jul 21 10:05:07 they have an automated process for creating toolchains, and the package system can be paralled into each toolchain for a simplified build process Jul 21 10:05:10 * rwhitby doesn't have time to fight the build system, so chooses the path of least resistance Jul 21 10:07:39 * balrog-k1n builds his neo programs using gentoo's build system too, but there were various problems with it before it started to work Jul 21 10:08:15 packages not test for cross compiling, wrong dependencies exposed by cross compiling etc Jul 21 10:09:00 yep Jul 21 10:09:22 i suppose oe gets more love Jul 21 10:09:23 there are some really broken autoconf/automake files out there Jul 21 10:09:36 HdR: two people to help you with Gentoo x86_64 now ... ;-) Jul 21 10:10:29 :) Jul 21 10:12:23 balrog-k1n: ieatlint how do you build your neo packages? with bitbake from make setup (openmoko makefile)? Jul 21 10:12:34 no Jul 21 10:13:49 and how would you try to build openmoko-mediaplayer? Jul 21 10:13:57 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml Jul 21 10:14:18 no, but you have much better chance with bitbake and friends Jul 21 10:15:06 i need to get to bed... it's past 3am here Jul 21 10:19:01 me2 Jul 21 10:47:53 hello my first youtube video http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=gROE5yXJqy4 Jul 21 10:49:04 ernst: nice one. is that built into the openmoko-image or did you build it yourself? Jul 21 10:50:12 myself with the gestures Jul 21 10:50:23 very simple Jul 21 10:50:32 downloading gestures Jul 21 10:50:38 0.0.1 :-) Jul 21 10:50:57 and change the /etc/gestures/echo.ges Jul 21 10:51:08 then start the gesd-neo.sh Jul 21 10:52:04 in gesd-neo.sh is a line like ./gesd delete the "./" Jul 21 10:52:10 and have fun Jul 21 10:52:31 i'am only a Entusiast (User only) Jul 21 11:19:51 Good morning. I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find a list of cme error codes for libgsm-tool? Jul 21 11:30:11 sparrow: in the spec? Jul 21 11:38:29 hi, i would like to install/test http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery but i don't know how to install tar.gz files on the freerunner, is there a guide somewhere on the net? Jul 21 11:42:33 emdete - I have scanned through the spec, but there does not seem to be a comprehensive list. Jul 21 11:42:40 i'm new to linux but i think this has to be the most basic stuff but i can't figure it out Jul 21 11:42:52 i think i need to run ./configure && make on the freerunner, Jul 21 11:43:01 but in what directory or does this not matter? Jul 21 11:44:33 does anyone know how to install tar.gz files to the freerunner? Jul 21 11:46:23 also: agps-gui works, but tango-gps says "no GPS found" Jul 21 11:52:14 sparrow: at the end of the specs is a list with nnumbers & text Jul 21 11:53:27 does anyone know how to install tar.gz files to the freerunner? Jul 21 11:53:56 emdete - I think that is a change history. Jul 21 11:54:27 emdete - Although, this seems to match: http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ Jul 21 11:54:44 (10:00:17) lepta: hi. i have a phone very similar to openmoko: eten x650 with windows mobile 6.0. it's the same motherboard with samsung sc3 2442 500mhz. The image of kernel starts with haret, the screen become black and it doesn't go on. someone could help me? Jul 21 11:54:46 I think that the cme error codes must be part of the gms standard. Jul 21 11:54:56 openmoko: 03zecke * r71e481f7cc0d 10/qtopiacore/qt/src/gui/kernel/qwidget_x11.cpp: [qt/x11] Only wait for an UnmapNotify if we were mapped before Jul 21 11:57:11 Zorkman - Normally I think you would decompress the file one your desktop and move the contained package file over to your fr with the scp command. Jul 21 11:57:58 s/one/on Jul 21 12:02:21 lepta - I think that you would be able to get support from the kernel devel mailing list. Jul 21 12:02:58 how do i get it? Jul 21 12:05:53 I know there was some discussion about gstreamer being unable to open alsa for sound output - did we already have a solution for this? Jul 21 12:06:00 lepta - http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ Jul 21 12:06:06 sparrow: ok, i think i will be able to manage that, but afterwards, when it is on the freerunner, how do i install it then? Jul 21 12:07:45 tnx sparrow Jul 21 12:09:45 Zorkman - if the tar.gz contains an .ipk package, from your fr enter the command 'opkg install ' Jul 21 12:10:12 after you have copied the file over to your freerunner ;) Jul 21 12:10:24 sparrow: no ipk command, there is a makefile in it though Jul 21 12:13:12 Zorkman - There are instructions in that package under: ./orrery/files/INSTALL Jul 21 12:13:53 anyone has tried GARMIN maps in Navit ??? Jul 21 12:15:15 Zorkman, are you the king of Qwendor? :D Jul 21 12:15:25 Zorkman - The binary files have already been compiled for the arm cpu, so you just need to copy the files where the INSTALL file tells you to. Jul 21 12:16:11 Dave: i don't get the joke, sorry Jul 21 12:16:18 Aww :[ Jul 21 12:17:23 sparrow: found the instructions, thanks Jul 21 12:17:31 no worries Jul 21 12:49:58 when i use tango-gps it says "no GPS found" anyone else has this problem? Jul 21 12:50:04 agps-gui can find my gps and use it Jul 21 12:50:55 or can't they bothy use the gps at the same time? Jul 21 12:51:56 they can, but I seriously question how well they can, together :p Jul 21 12:53:08 dave: but to i have to configure something to get tango-gps to work? execpt do an opkg for tangogps? Jul 21 12:53:23 nope Jul 21 12:53:43 power on gps -> start gpsd -> run tangogps :D Jul 21 12:54:20 is gpsd needed on the freerunner? Jul 21 12:54:24 yes Jul 21 12:54:26 YES Jul 21 12:54:29 install gpsd Jul 21 12:54:30 :P Jul 21 12:54:37 it can be obtained via opkg :) Jul 21 12:55:18 jup, i know, installed the the previous time i tested the 2007.2 but it didn't work then... Jul 21 12:55:32 (tango gps i mean, installing gpsd works of cource) Jul 21 12:55:52 and do i need glinn? Jul 21 12:56:05 no Jul 21 12:56:15 in tangogps i click on "reconnect to GPSD" Jul 21 12:56:20 huh... wheres python-pygst gone? O.o Jul 21 12:56:24 and then i go to the maps and still get "no GPS found" Jul 21 12:58:13 anyone encouteres this problem also? Jul 21 12:58:20 don't forget to remove your sd card :p Jul 21 12:58:24 oh, wait Jul 21 12:58:30 i get a fix with sd card with agps-gui Jul 21 12:58:32 did you edit /etc/defaults/gpsd? Jul 21 12:58:41 nope, didn't know i have to do that Jul 21 12:59:02 Zorkman: check the wiki Jul 21 13:01:23 does anyone have an idea why a python application which is started by the application menu can only be started once? Jul 21 13:02:11 it is started for the first time. Then I close it. But after that it can not be started again from the menu :( Jul 21 13:02:23 I can't seem to find the problem with it Jul 21 13:02:42 jakob_: try starting it from command line an see the erros it throws Jul 21 13:02:55 wtf... did anything in the repo change recently? From ASU, I cant seem to find openmoko-agpsui and python-pygst anymore.. Jul 21 13:03:24 DPThough1: that is the weirdest part. It does not throw any error. I can start it a thousand times from the commandline if I want to Jul 21 13:03:49 The application start menu seems to think the application is still open, even if it isn't Jul 21 13:04:26 dlowe: how do i edit the file? i can read it with "cat" command in terminal, but when i open it in konqueror with a tex editor i don't see anything in it Jul 21 13:04:28 jakob_: strang eindeed Jul 21 13:05:07 DPThough1: yeah. I was hoping anyone here encountered the same problem before and might know the answer to this. Because I just don't get it. Jul 21 13:05:40 foget my question, it works now Jul 21 13:07:48 is a reboot required? Jul 21 13:07:59 because i cahnged the file and restarted tangoGPS and it still doesn't work Jul 21 13:12:23 Zorkman: you have to restart gpsd Jul 21 13:13:26 dlowe: i pressed that button Jul 21 13:13:30 that didn't work Jul 21 13:13:37 i'm now rebooting the freerunner itself Jul 21 13:13:45 good idea Jul 21 13:14:05 hooray, it works :) Jul 21 13:17:13 dlowe: one last question, when you connect to the unsecure wireless network of someone else, which nameserver you have to use with the freerunner? any way to now this? Jul 21 13:19:09 it should find a nameserver on its own Jul 21 13:19:37 dlowe: i do Jul 21 13:19:37 iwlist eth0 scanning Jul 21 13:19:37 iwconfig eth0 essid "SMC" Jul 21 13:19:49 then it is connected, but tangogps can not download map tiles Jul 21 13:20:00 you do have to run udhcpc eth0 Jul 21 13:20:09 or you won't have any configuration Jul 21 13:23:48 dlowe: grat, that works with tangogps, but in the browser whe ni type www.google.be it does not show anything Jul 21 13:23:55 with internet-over usb this does work Jul 21 13:24:03 any special settings for the browser? Jul 21 13:24:33 don't know Jul 21 13:25:04 ok, thanks anyway you really helped me Jul 21 13:33:39 can anyone give me the link to the Openmoko kernel and rootfs images where the GPS issue has been fixed? I would like to load that Jul 21 13:34:55 newb: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/ Jul 21 13:35:06 thx Zorkman Jul 21 13:36:25 oh no, it's the noob! Jul 21 13:36:41 newb: opkg upgrade Jul 21 13:36:48 :) Jul 21 13:37:09 Dave: ok Jul 21 13:37:32 yeah, the latest should have it in, supposedly anyway :) Jul 21 13:39:10 Dave: how many versions of the GTA02 are there? and how do i know which one i have? Jul 21 13:39:35 It should be one the device Jul 21 13:40:16 it just says GTA02 Jul 21 13:40:42 Check the datecode Jul 21 13:40:49 That should help, I believe. Jul 21 13:41:23 Otherwise I'm sure you could cross-reference the S/N, howeer I am unsure if that info is public :) Jul 21 13:41:26 (Probably not) Jul 21 13:41:28 newb: "The kernel exports the system_rev variable in /proc/cpuinfo as "Revision :" line. " (from the Wiki) Jul 21 13:41:34 :D Jul 21 13:41:53 (http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware) Jul 21 13:42:33 Weiss: mine says Revision 0350 Jul 21 13:42:46 True Jul 21 13:43:08 Dave ? Jul 21 13:43:41 Ecraven! :D Jul 21 13:43:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4c05c474bf93 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [midori] Force linking to supc++ to avoid undefined symbols Jul 21 13:43:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r787ab2b9aac4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Remove qtopia-phone as it does not build (gta02) Jul 21 13:43:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * radc62df97f70 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the critical minicom application to the feed Jul 21 13:43:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0893d558f4f6 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add a good editor to the feed Jul 21 13:44:00 openmoko: 03mail 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7e9fd5bdc33a 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.2rc2+git.bb: [u-boot-openmoko] Build u-boot from the Openmoko git repository Jul 21 13:44:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r696ea56912be 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [u-boot-openmoko] Clean up, move the git rev to sane-srcrevs Jul 21 13:44:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbfeb5a594e5c 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): [u-boot-openmoko] Remove the old svn recipes Jul 21 13:45:11 newb: that's GTA02v5 according to that page Jul 21 13:46:19 hmmm Jul 21 13:49:48 what's the revision that's actually available on the market? Jul 21 13:49:57 i think i may have landed up with an older one? Jul 21 13:56:53 5-days until FR sales again Jul 21 13:57:36 No, its in stock Jul 21 13:57:41 yay! Jul 21 13:57:59 newb, doubtful. Jul 21 13:58:11 newb, gta02v5 Jul 21 13:58:57 * Dave pokes Speedevil Jul 21 13:59:15 aw, joerg is still sleepy :p Jul 21 13:59:16 * SpeedEvil pies Dave. Jul 21 13:59:20 :D Jul 21 13:59:28 (lemon) Jul 21 13:59:29 Speedevil, cherry, preferably :) Jul 21 13:59:33 Aww :[ Jul 21 13:59:34 I'm tired. Jul 21 13:59:37 err, wrong window. Jul 21 13:59:44 * Sargun_screen purchases an OpenMoko. Jul 21 13:59:58 openvoodoo? Jul 21 14:00:04 SpeedEvil: Would you accept money to develop small hardware hacks/software hacks Jul 21 14:00:21 Yes. Jul 21 14:00:26 :D Jul 21 14:01:05 Sargun_screen: hardware mainly - I've not been doing as much software as I should over the past bit, so my skills are weak. Jul 21 14:01:38 Your powers are weak, old man! Jul 21 14:01:39 hm, I'm pretty happy with the OpenMoko hardware. Jul 21 14:01:47 Have you looked at the GSM chip? Jul 21 14:01:54 Sargun_screen: in what manner? Jul 21 14:01:57 I could still stand to be pimped out, or modified. Jul 21 14:02:18 * SpeedEvil drills a hole in Dave, and adds a subwoofer. Jul 21 14:02:26 :D Jul 21 14:02:50 :D Jul 21 14:03:17 * Tanuva wants one, too Jul 21 14:03:28 offer him money Jul 21 14:03:30 or pie, or something Jul 21 14:03:32 *g* Jul 21 14:03:50 but much more than hat - a 2.5mm->3.5mm-adapter >.< Jul 21 14:03:59 Actually, the way today's economy is going, would you consider flour, wheat, or corn as acceptable forms of payment, speedevil? Jul 21 14:04:01 Tanuva: ebay Jul 21 14:04:18 tanuva, easy, if your mfc conforms to some sort of standard spec :D Jul 21 14:04:24 Dave: I need to diet anyway, so no :) Jul 21 14:04:26 I thought about soldering it myself since I dont want to pay 8€ for a tiny bit of plastic and copper... Jul 21 14:04:33 Speedevil, aww. Jul 21 14:04:39 Tanuva: they are really cheap on ebay Jul 21 14:04:58 like $0.01 with $9.99 shipping :P Jul 21 14:05:04 isn't that what they always are ;) Jul 21 14:05:10 ewweqqw Jul 21 14:05:16 the data cable for my N3510i was like that Jul 21 14:05:22 * Dave stabs notspeakenglish Jul 21 14:05:32 Dave: ewieis (f-u-c-k-y-o-u) Jul 21 14:05:44 Daviey: cheaper generally. Jul 21 14:05:52 ewepotg Jul 21 14:05:52 sdf Jul 21 14:05:53 fsd Jul 21 14:05:53 dfs Jul 21 14:05:53 f Jul 21 14:05:53 fg Jul 21 14:05:55 gfjkwealsdjklsdakösd Jul 21 14:05:57 fekjlsdfkaÖSLÖ Jul 21 14:05:58 Bye, notspeakenglish. Jul 21 14:05:59 SDJKLDFJKLDSL Jul 21 14:06:02 I think one of us wants to leave... Jul 21 14:06:15 weffwdsf Jul 21 14:06:15 ds Jul 21 14:06:15 fds Jul 21 14:06:15 sd Jul 21 14:06:16 dsf Jul 21 14:06:16 sd Jul 21 14:06:17 sdsd Jul 21 14:06:19 dsf Jul 21 14:06:21 ds Jul 21 14:06:23 ds Jul 21 14:06:25 d Jul 21 14:06:27 sfd Jul 21 14:06:28 no op here? Jul 21 14:06:29 sfd Jul 21 14:06:31 sf Jul 21 14:06:33 dfs Jul 21 14:06:35 sdf Jul 21 14:06:37 dsf Jul 21 14:06:39 sdf Jul 21 14:06:41 sdf Jul 21 14:06:43 sdf Jul 21 14:06:45 sdf Jul 21 14:06:47 sdf Jul 21 14:06:48 /ignore notspeakenglish :) Jul 21 14:06:49 sf Jul 21 14:06:51 dsf Jul 21 14:06:53 g Jul 21 14:06:55 gh Jul 21 14:06:57 h Jul 21 14:06:58 human gets tired, doesnt even change the letters anymore Jul 21 14:06:59 uzk Jul 21 14:07:01 fg Jul 21 14:07:03 fg Jul 21 14:07:05 hrt Jul 21 14:07:07 we Jul 21 14:07:09 ergfd Jul 21 14:07:11 ghr Jul 21 14:07:13 esdffdskflöasdfksdflsdö Jul 21 14:07:14 Yeah alright Jul 21 14:07:15 f-u-c-k-o-p-e-n-m-o-k-o Jul 21 14:07:17 * SpeedEvil wishes he had ops. Jul 21 14:07:17 asdqwdw Jul 21 14:07:19 asddas+üdüqd Jul 21 14:07:21 sadffd Jul 21 14:07:22 * mjr too Jul 21 14:07:23 wawe Jul 21 14:07:25 dsdsklfdöklöwe Jul 21 14:07:25 Let me see if I remember my op pass Jul 21 14:07:27 dsjkljw# Jul 21 14:07:27 * Tanuva is blessing /ignore Jul 21 14:07:28 hello Jul 21 14:07:29 f-u-c-k-y-o-u-a-l-l Jul 21 14:07:45 Dave: djiweo (y-o-u-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-o-f-s-h-i-t) Jul 21 14:07:47 ehlo Kheldar Jul 21 14:08:12 Tanuva: ewioei (a-s-s-h-o-l-e) Jul 21 14:08:24 is Ruby ported to OpenMoko yet? Jul 21 14:08:28 I have an error on wiki, doesn't seem too bad, but I hope I didn't break too many things Jul 21 14:08:38 A database error? Jul 21 14:08:44 ewioew Jul 21 14:08:44 Incorrect key file for table './wikidb/searchindex.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost) Jul 21 14:08:44 we Jul 21 14:08:44 ewe Jul 21 14:08:44 ew Jul 21 14:08:45 ewew Jul 21 14:08:46 I had one of those last night. Jul 21 14:08:46 ewdxuuzuio Jul 21 14:09:01 so I suppose it doesn't like something like my charset? Jul 21 14:09:02 Saying something like error n something. Jul 21 14:09:14 126 Jul 21 14:09:18 ah, SpeedEvil, do you know anything about python-pygst getting lost from the repository? :/ Jul 21 14:09:22 What error? Jul 21 14:09:23 SpeedEvil: What about something like writing a GSM sniffer? Jul 21 14:09:27 error 126 Jul 21 14:09:29 SpeedEvil: weizt (y-o-u-h-a-v-e-t-h-e-a-s-s-o-p-e-n) Jul 21 14:09:30 Tanuva: I know absolutely nothing. Jul 21 14:09:44 thats not much Jul 21 14:09:45 :) Jul 21 14:09:45 I know its evil, but just hypothetically, do you know how do that? Jul 21 14:10:09 It'd either make the FR sell like hot cakes, or have the FCC shut it down Jul 21 14:10:09 Sargun_screen: $20K++. Deeply not fun to develop. Jul 21 14:10:17 qqeweer Jul 21 14:10:20 oiziouzoiuuouio Jul 21 14:10:26 heehee Jul 21 14:10:30 iunderzbgffgmnmgf kuzfu dsioewi? Jul 21 14:10:34 You can buy one market toda for like 2.5k Jul 21 14:10:34 Sargun_screen: GSM sniffing can't be done by a normal phone anyway very well. Jul 21 14:10:43 SpeedEvil: No, no it can't Jul 21 14:10:55 qwiwqo ewioxoi qiowq!!! Jul 21 14:11:01 Sargun_screen: simply as it's onby got one radio. Jul 21 14:11:13 but since you have access to the RF stuff directly, and the GSM chipset's microcode spec Jul 21 14:11:22 hot Jul 21 14:11:23 Oh, yeah, GSM is TDMA, right? Jul 21 14:11:30 the method failing is SearchMySQL4::update Jul 21 14:11:36 Dave: dskweioewu (y-o-u-a-r-e-s-o-n-o-f-a-b-i-t-c-h) Jul 21 14:12:01 Sargun_screen: doesn't mean the chip has enough horsepower to decode it all in realtime. Or that the radio can record more than one channel. Jul 21 14:12:05 weiweew Jul 21 14:12:06 tr Jul 21 14:12:06 uz Jul 21 14:12:06 o Jul 21 14:12:06 iozü Jul 21 14:12:07 oil Jul 21 14:12:08 , Jul 21 14:12:10 htd Jul 21 14:12:12 tz Jul 21 14:12:14 he Jul 21 14:12:16 tzhz Jul 21 14:12:18 t Jul 21 14:12:20 g Jul 21 14:12:22 re Jul 21 14:12:24 f Jul 21 14:12:26 ds Jul 21 14:12:28 g Jul 21 14:12:30 dh Jul 21 14:12:32 tr Jul 21 14:12:34 ujz Jul 21 14:12:36 ulösdöä?=???! Jul 21 14:12:38 wqw Jul 21 14:12:40 qw Jul 21 14:12:42 q Jul 21 14:12:44 w Jul 21 14:12:45 lame. Jul 21 14:12:46 q Jul 21 14:12:48 we Jul 21 14:12:50 q Jul 21 14:12:51 notspeakenglish, please stop that. Jul 21 14:12:52 eqw Jul 21 14:12:54 wepü+ Jul 21 14:12:56 ziuhgfd Jul 21 14:12:58 gfd Jul 21 14:13:00 fg Jul 21 14:13:02 jzhjjöäsöä Jul 21 14:13:04 dslköfsdkfweou Jul 21 14:13:06 dsekllöl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 21 14:13:08 Dave: Fuck your motha. Jul 21 14:13:15 Yes, I can see that. Jul 21 14:13:16 :) Jul 21 14:13:32 wqwqpüeqw Jul 21 14:13:32 tru Jul 21 14:13:33 ei Jul 21 14:13:33 o Jul 21 14:13:33 iupzioü Jul 21 14:13:34 -z. Jul 21 14:13:35 j Jul 21 14:13:37 f Jul 21 14:13:37 Yes, clearly. Jul 21 14:13:39 g Jul 21 14:13:41 sf Jul 21 14:13:42 * mjr wonders about the kind of disturbed psyche that is notspeakenglish Jul 21 14:13:43 ghfe Jul 21 14:13:44 You have been warned multiple times, notspeakenglish. Jul 21 14:13:45 agdfgjlkdflh Jul 21 14:13:48 saklqwjkqkldjk ASSHOLES Jul 21 14:13:48 Please enjoy your ride. Jul 21 14:14:29 notspeakenglish: IP address 91.135.163.67 Jul 21 14:14:47 Bye :) Jul 21 14:14:48 yey Jul 21 14:15:04 Xaos, seems like a web irc Jul 21 14:15:09 It is. Jul 21 14:15:20 jirc is lame Jul 21 14:15:43 Anyway, where were we? :) Jul 21 14:15:50 yep Jul 21 14:15:52 Illicit freerunner modifications? Jul 21 14:15:57 and paying speedevil? Jul 21 14:16:14 Uhm. Jul 21 14:16:16 eah Jul 21 14:16:16 Hello Xaos :) Jul 21 14:16:33 Hi everybody Jul 21 14:16:37 Greetings Jul 21 14:16:41 hey...pretty busy this morning, so I'll be not paying as much attention here... Jul 21 14:16:42 heya. :) Jul 21 14:16:43 See, hardware mods are something I've stayed far away from. Jul 21 14:16:51 njan, howdy. Jul 21 14:16:59 What can I do for you? Jul 21 14:17:09 Dave, just passing through, thanks. :) Jul 21 14:17:19 wonder if they'd fork over the client ip, then inform his provider of abuse... Jul 21 14:17:23 No problem, James :) Jul 21 14:17:40 mjr, nah. Jul 21 14:17:52 mjr, just ask speedy to ready another pie ;) Jul 21 14:18:01 Mmm... IP pie. Jul 21 14:18:45 * Dave can just hear the notorious q3a HUMILIATION soundbyte playing after getting hit in the face by that, earlier. Jul 21 14:20:18 Anyhow, I'm still looking forward to running zork on openmoko Jul 21 14:20:47 not without a better keyboard I'm not Jul 21 14:20:48 hehe Jul 21 14:20:57 * SpeedEvil has run nethack. Jul 21 14:20:57 haha right right Jul 21 14:21:00 I'm planning on porting it Jul 21 14:21:00 It was silly. Jul 21 14:21:23 With a simple control interface, since the input blows :) Jul 21 14:21:26 Just a thought anyway Jul 21 14:21:30 speedevil, haha yeah :P Jul 21 14:21:39 that and running irc off it were my first tasks Jul 21 14:21:45 GPS newbie question: Do you have to be sitting still for the GPS stuff to initialize? Jul 21 14:21:55 it's better Jul 21 14:22:10 the software may find it hard to init at higher speeds. Jul 21 14:22:15 About five minutes or less into either I said, wow, this is very unamazing, and quit :) Jul 21 14:22:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c862ac216e4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): Jul 21 14:22:16 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthCodeRequired() -> b and Jul 21 14:22:16 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SetAuthCodeRequired( b:enable, s:pin ) -> () Jul 21 14:22:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1fe991ee47b9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE]: Neptune does not implement CREG. Jul 21 14:22:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82b51439dd84 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: some more ISUP release causes Jul 21 14:22:21 And won't init at all over 60000 feet, and 1000 knotss. Jul 21 14:22:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * radbbcb55b4ab 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: send auth code signal also after delivering a PUK Jul 21 14:22:23 I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power Jul 21 14:22:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82a72f6ad8ef 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: make GetHomeZones() a bit more robust against empty answers from SIM Jul 21 14:22:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rff5ddf91ec5b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: even more robustness Jul 21 14:22:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rccbfcb9cc25b 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: rename and fix API of (now) org.freesmartphone.SIM.{Get|Set}AuthCodeRequired() Jul 21 14:22:45 * RichiH pets apt Jul 21 14:22:55 It worked at 35000 feet :) Jul 21 14:23:03 !botsnack Jul 21 14:23:03 * cdbot2 devours the botsnack Jul 21 14:23:14 apt: botsnack Jul 21 14:23:14 aw, gee, Dave Jul 21 14:23:17 :) Jul 21 14:23:18 RichiH, you're late, the party's all gone :P Jul 21 14:23:27 Yeah, sorry to disappoint you guys :) Jul 21 14:23:40 You're welcome to stay for tea later though :) Jul 21 14:23:51 SpeedEvil: thanks Jul 21 14:23:55 SpeedEvil: I assume you understand the Wolfson stuff? Jul 21 14:24:13 hey retracile :) Jul 21 14:24:27 hey Dave. what's up? Jul 21 14:24:49 Just considering naughty freerunner modifications and applications to be ported :P Jul 21 14:25:02 SpeedEvil: I know there was an effort to write a better way to set states on the wolfson Jul 21 14:25:59 Sargun_screen: I understand the concept. I have not internalised all the mixer names. Jul 21 14:27:23 Alright, what about the GFX processor? Jul 21 14:27:29 How much do you understand that? Jul 21 14:27:39 Very little - it's NDAd, and nobodys DCCd me the specs. Jul 21 14:27:48 General terms only. Jul 21 14:28:13 is anybody porting Ruby to OpenMoko? Jul 21 14:28:17 is ruby ported? Jul 21 14:29:09 I think I recall someone running ruby. Jul 21 14:29:14 Well, do you think you could contribute to reverse engineering it? Jul 21 14:29:25 I know someone compiled it themselves Jul 21 14:29:30 is SDL ported? Jul 21 14:29:40 kiba: yes, various games use it Jul 21 14:29:57 google ruby openmoko Jul 21 14:30:13 Good. Jul 21 14:30:38 If ruby can run on openmoko, than I can think about writing games for it Jul 21 14:30:54 Sargun_screen: reverse engineering without code or specs is almost impossible. Jul 21 14:31:00 100% free software of course :) Jul 21 14:31:18 Sargun_screen: and the accel chip has problems anyway. Jul 21 14:31:20 SpeedEvil, balrog-k1n had some windows binary driver for it iirc... Jul 21 14:31:35 SpeedEvil: OT, what do you think about the Atom? Jul 21 14:32:34 Sargun_screen: not very interesting for mobiles. Jul 21 14:32:58 Really? You don't think it'll hit cellphones and PDAs? Jul 21 14:33:09 No - too high power. Jul 21 14:33:55 You're looking at maybe 1.5-5W for a system power. Jul 21 14:34:04 Isn't it supposed to be power competitive with the Xscales? Jul 21 14:34:11 :) Jul 21 14:34:17 balrogkun ^^ Jul 21 14:34:17 Maybe 4-20 times the power of the ARM device in the freerunner. Jul 21 14:35:41 whoa Jul 21 14:35:58 Well, you're getting rid of the GPU, and the Wifi chip Jul 21 14:36:14 ha, nethack runs on freerunner? Jul 21 14:36:27 Kheldar: it can - input is not sensible though. Jul 21 14:36:35 :s Jul 21 14:37:31 i guess breaking down doors is dangerous enough with a standard keyboard (says the guy that broke a merchant door from the inside) Jul 21 14:38:22 SpeedEvil: Looking here, it says that the lowest power usage Atom is .65W Jul 21 14:38:28 .65,2,2.5 Jul 21 14:38:31 Sargun_screen: that's the chip only Jul 21 14:38:35 s/2.4/2.5/ Jul 21 14:38:38 Sargun_screen: it doesn't count RAM Jul 21 14:38:41 Oh, you mean including the chipset? Jul 21 14:39:09 you were giving that 4-20x figure with RAM... Jul 21 14:39:10 Ah. Jul 21 14:39:15 I'm unsure if it requires another chipset. Jul 21 14:39:21 It does Jul 21 14:39:36 No - 4-20 was assuming about double that power, ajd the 0.6-2.5W number Jul 21 14:40:00 It'd be neat to do a UMPC/Phone based on Atom Jul 21 14:40:28 oh, yes, then you cold run XP on it :) Jul 21 14:40:28 considering the benefits of X86 (coding), the fact its intel (very open), and they are fairly fast chips. Jul 21 14:40:40 benefits of x86... Jul 21 14:40:58 As in there are a lot more X86 coders than ARM coders. Jul 21 14:41:17 There are many many more C coders than assembler coders Jul 21 14:41:24 and compiling code is easier, additionally certain libraries that are available only for X86 Jul 21 14:41:49 why is compiling code easier? Jul 21 14:41:53 It works exactly the same Jul 21 14:41:53 * Kheldar thinks this seems like an "already seen" argument Jul 21 14:42:10 :] Jul 21 14:42:10 dtx: No Cross-compilation environment Jul 21 14:42:23 You don't have to use cross-compilation Jul 21 14:42:25 My employer ported a bunch of X86 code to ARM (more like just a recompile) Jul 21 14:42:38 and we noticed some occasional oddities Jul 21 14:43:03 endianness issues perhaps? Jul 21 14:43:06 he might need to review his code quality then Jul 21 14:43:14 no offense Jul 21 14:43:18 C is C Jul 21 14:43:19 retracile: ARM is little endian Jul 21 14:43:24 Sargun_screen: not always Jul 21 14:43:39 retracile: For the stuff we were dealing with it was. Jul 21 14:43:51 It was mostly Xscales. Jul 21 14:43:53 Sargun_screen: At least some of them can run little or big, based on software config. Jul 21 14:44:10 dtx: a couple million lines of C... Jul 21 14:44:20 that have been optimized for X86 Jul 21 14:45:33 Xscale can switch between little and big too, but linux uses LE Jul 21 14:46:49 WinCE is little. Jul 21 14:46:50 our code dooesnt rrun on big endian systems Jul 21 14:47:00 rut roh Jul 21 14:47:18 So there is some asm in there? Jul 21 14:47:42 Nopw Jul 21 14:47:46 all C Jul 21 14:48:15 the code us a geospatial aalysis library Jul 21 14:48:39 :) Jul 21 14:48:46 some of the underlying portions of the data seriaalization stuff are little endian Jul 21 14:48:49 oh shit, thanks for reminding me sargun Jul 21 14:49:03 I need to finish setting up my postgis tday Jul 21 14:49:25 additionally there is some interesting code, that I can't divulge how it works Jul 21 14:49:36 black magic? :D Jul 21 14:49:47 basically Jul 21 14:49:50 ;) Jul 21 14:50:03 ex-CTO was genius-like Jul 21 14:50:15 :))) Jul 21 14:50:17 Awesome :D Jul 21 14:50:30 and dabbled in the black arts it would seem too :p Jul 21 14:50:47 Genius-like and not writing endian-free code. Jul 21 14:50:54 I can fit a navigable map in half-a-gig because of him Jul 21 14:51:36 That's not really hard. Jul 21 14:51:49 I've got some prototype code to do that with slices of OSM Jul 21 14:52:08 SpeedEvil: do it, and you'll be rich Jul 21 14:53:05 a navigable map of what? Jul 21 14:53:20 the world Jul 21 14:53:48 to what level of detail? Jul 21 14:53:52 that's a high leve' navigablity (pri 345) Jul 21 14:54:12 low level nav half-a-gig=USA Jul 21 14:54:47 also, you have to maje data retreval - routing, etc fast Jul 21 14:55:10 anyone know where the pulseaudio cli tool is located in openmoko? or is it even there any kore? Jul 21 14:55:16 umpossible Jul 21 14:56:25 torpor, it is located in /usr/bin but you can start/stop it with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio Jul 21 14:56:45 yeah but i want the pacmd cli .. Jul 21 14:57:03 oh Jul 21 14:57:09 i guess pacmd isn't in openmoko any more .. Jul 21 14:59:28 can someone here who has a recent makefile config setup look to see what package pacmd is in? Jul 21 14:59:44 it shouldb e part of the pulseaudio suite, but i can't see it in any repo;s and i don't have my OM development system here today.. Jul 21 14:59:47 /clear Jul 21 15:00:12 SpeedEvil: is there a doc breaking down hardware cost Jul 21 15:00:30 pulseaudio-module-cli ? Jul 21 15:00:33 torpor: in pulseaudio-misc Jul 21 15:00:52 thanks! Jul 21 15:01:14 wish i'd figured that out myself. ;) Jul 21 15:01:20 :D Jul 21 15:01:32 next time, use opkg:P Jul 21 15:02:41 I wish sox was packaged up so we could do some nice audio processing without having to code anything up, to get an idea of its performance Jul 21 15:02:52 does opkg have some magic that allows me to find the cmds stuffed in packages not yet instealled? Jul 21 15:02:56 dtx: yeah me too Jul 21 15:02:56 Sargun_screen: hardware cost? Jul 21 15:03:00 Yes Jul 21 15:03:05 though sox is really a bad example of performant audio Jul 21 15:03:18 i'd prefer it if we had CHUCK onboard or perhaps puredata Jul 21 15:03:20 who said anything about performance :D Jul 21 15:03:26 well, but its a good example of flexibility :-P Jul 21 15:03:34 dave: dtx did. Jul 21 15:03:36 simplicity, or convenience Jul 21 15:03:39 heh Jul 21 15:03:40 SpeedEvil: breaking down cost of every component (in percentage, since I assume cost is NDA) Jul 21 15:03:40 Sargun_screen: oh Jul 21 15:03:41 CHUCK would be better Jul 21 15:03:47 I think he was referring to the questionable performance of the freerunner Jul 21 15:03:48 Sargun_screen: no - not in there Jul 21 15:03:48 :p Jul 21 15:03:52 not the audio per se Jul 21 15:04:06 Sargun_screen: I mean - no. Jul 21 15:04:07 well either way i'm working on a softsynth for the freerunner now that i've got one to test with! Jul 21 15:04:16 hot Jul 21 15:04:24 and i want to add g_midi and g_audio to the system too, so we can plug in the freerunner, get audio inputs/outputs, and midi too.. Jul 21 15:04:25 Sargun_screen: it's possible to make reasonable guesses. Jul 21 15:04:26 torpor: what are you using? Jul 21 15:04:28 damn soc Jul 21 15:04:41 dtx: using? to code it? plain ol' C and pulseaudio Jul 21 15:05:00 torpor: oh you are literally making a new softsynth? Jul 21 15:05:03 i put the project on hold about 6 months ago when my neo1973 started having problems, and now i'm picking it back up again. Jul 21 15:05:06 dtx:yes Jul 21 15:05:37 just a little standard monosynth, 2xOSC,2xFilter, 2xEG. Jul 21 15:05:38 etc. Jul 21 15:05:40 Sargun_screen: off-hand, I'd guess 15% LCD, 20% CPU+SOC+glue 3% bluetooth, 5% wifi, 15% GSM, 10% GPS Jul 21 15:05:42 topor: are you basing it off any of the soft synths out there? Jul 21 15:05:44 torpor: my GTA02 came briefly to life today, but is now on strike again for some reason Jul 21 15:06:01 Sargun_screen: then 5% case - though how you cost that depends on how you amortise it. Jul 21 15:06:13 dtx: no, my own design, i used to do this for a living now its jut a hobby Jul 21 15:06:20 gotta bail...virus infection at work...yippee Jul 21 15:06:21 rwhitby: thats sad to hear, you should have a working phone damnit. Jul 21 15:06:35 rwhitby: got a voltmeter? Jul 21 15:06:36 torpor: i have a working Treo650 and a working GTA01 Jul 21 15:06:51 well a gta01 should be enough for you rwhitby !! Jul 21 15:06:52 SpeedEvil: you may have seen my exchanges on the kernel mailing list. Jul 21 15:07:04 rwhitby: I should really read that :( Jul 21 15:07:18 okay, away now .. gotta head home. Jul 21 15:07:19 later Jul 21 15:07:23 SpeedEvil: they got me to pop one of the cans to check for a capacitor underneath Jul 21 15:07:34 ah Jul 21 15:08:06 SpeedEvil: thread starts at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003916.html Jul 21 15:08:14 i feel like farting with pyGTK Jul 21 15:08:17 torpor: check out Aldrin, it would be awesome to get any synths you make integrated into that Jul 21 15:08:55 can popping pic is at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/attachments/20080721/b348f79c/attachment-0001.png Jul 21 15:09:01 Oh - right - had read that - hadn't put nick and email together. Jul 21 15:09:17 Oooh! Naked PCB porn. Jul 21 15:09:32 naughty :p Jul 21 15:09:37 I got it to boot twice in a row, and even flashed the latest u-boot, and it booted once after that, but no more tonight. Jul 21 15:09:54 kd8ikt: lemme know when you get it setup, if you don't mind Jul 21 15:10:25 rwhitby: :< Jul 21 15:11:51 rwhitby, weird Jul 21 15:12:08 SpeedEvil: I wonder if it would be cheaper to go with some of the all-in-one atheros processors Jul 21 15:12:24 Sargun_screen: none of them meet the openness requirement Jul 21 15:12:28 well, CPU, wifi Jul 21 15:12:36 hm Jul 21 15:13:06 from what i understand of python everythin is already setup, one just needs to make some apps Jul 21 15:13:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python Jul 21 15:13:20 :D Jul 21 15:13:23 I must learn this! Jul 21 15:13:42 I could never find any decent documentation about the miscellany of API Jul 21 15:13:47 Sargun_screen: Broadly - there are no easy answers. Jul 21 15:14:26 Sargun_screen: there does not seem to be a magic open easy-to-use high performance low-power small cheap well documented chip that's out there. Jul 21 15:14:48 Sargun_screen: often two or three of these have to be compromised. Jul 21 15:15:09 choose one right? Jul 21 15:15:31 low-powered, perfomant, open Jul 21 15:15:32 The easy solution would be if you had a lot of money and a bunch of monkeys :) Jul 21 15:15:48 er, s/open/cheap/ Jul 21 15:15:50 then you'd get an iphone Jul 21 15:16:06 low-powered, high-performance, well documented, sounds like proprietary high-price electronics to me ;) Jul 21 15:16:08 yeah Jul 21 15:16:26 * Dave thinks Sony Jul 21 15:17:25 Hello pwnguin Jul 21 15:17:27 hi Jul 21 15:17:55 were you expecting me? or do you just greet all 400 people who enter the channel? ;) Jul 21 15:18:36 hello, does anybody knows if freerunner is capable of playing music and video frm sd card? Jul 21 15:18:41 :D Jul 21 15:18:52 trampolando, perhaps some day :) Jul 21 15:19:33 trampolando: Capable, yes. Depends on how practical you need it to be. I'm sure before long there will be very sophisticated audio playing software. Jul 21 15:19:40 But for now I think it's largely manual or hacky. Jul 21 15:19:51 ok thank you Jul 21 15:20:07 why does moko not come with pygame available Jul 21 15:20:15 Then again there's very little that's not manual and hacky on the phone thusfar :p Jul 21 15:20:16 seriously odd Jul 21 15:20:54 Golenhawk, indeed :D Jul 21 15:21:46 Can anyone help me out? I installed some software designed for 2007.2's GTK stuff on my ASU phone.. and it runs fine, but it's missing a lot of the spiffy graphics and icon theme stuff and the fonts are the wrong size and such. Does anyone know how to install the relevant stuff to get that visual style back? Jul 21 15:22:36 GoldenHawk: I get wrong-sized fonts even on 2007.2. Jul 21 15:22:45 ifconfig usb0 down; fixed my problem with the moko not detecting wallcharger and charging (if in fact it truly wasnt charging) Jul 21 15:23:17 apm didnt say so so i gotta go with my gut feeling Jul 21 15:23:20 retracile: Well everything's wrong on ASU.. it looks just like gnome stuff does on my linux PC.. windows style gray toolbars and such. Jul 21 15:23:36 retracile :[ Jul 21 15:23:41 retracile: Pretty much unusable since things are sized right off the screen. Jul 21 15:24:04 :D Jul 21 15:24:56 In the agpsui thing, the 'Exit' is missing enough of the bottom of the letters that at first I thought it was "Fix" or something. Jul 21 15:25:09 right Jul 21 15:25:11 haha Jul 21 15:25:15 silly retracile :p Jul 21 15:25:32 just woundering. Does pressing the button on the headset trigger any event? Or do have apps to constantly check for microphone line leves if they want to catch this event? How cpu intensive would that be? Jul 21 15:25:45 hi all Jul 21 15:26:27 I have a problem right at the beginning. When the Neo is booted to the main screen it keeps asking for my PIN code. Jul 21 15:26:41 haha Jul 21 15:26:46 eh oh Jul 21 15:27:03 Is it asking for your SIM PIN? Jul 21 15:27:12 * pwnguin wonders if theres a GPG program for moko Jul 21 15:27:14 DPThought: the signal is only amplified in the Wolfson chip and then passes the analog signal straight to the GSM module Jul 21 15:27:21 right now Jul 21 15:27:23 Dave: Yeah Jul 21 15:27:30 the SOC doesn't even see audio Jul 21 15:27:32 encrypted SMS or voicemail Jul 21 15:28:19 Ah Jul 21 15:28:26 Enter your SIM PIN? :P Jul 21 15:28:33 Unless you don't know it :P Jul 21 15:29:01 * Chocky knows nothing Jul 21 15:29:05 Dave: I continue entering it but the screen still continues to pop up Jul 21 15:29:10 ;[ Jul 21 15:29:21 And you are certain the PIN you are entering is correct? Jul 21 15:29:45 Dave: yeah I'm sure Jul 21 15:29:52 it's the same PIN as always Jul 21 15:30:44 :\ Jul 21 15:30:47 dtx: which is probably a good idea. Why bother the cpu with copying bits. But bad for detecting the button. I guess some simple circuit connected to one of the gpio pins could have been used to catch the button presses. Do you know if anything like that was built in? Jul 21 15:30:52 Then the software must be broken :D Jul 21 15:31:17 Dave: Could it be that the the SIM isn't supported? Jul 21 15:31:50 Blalien: Do you have tested the sim card in an other phone? -- not that three times are gone with an error ... Jul 21 15:32:28 bernt: It works in my other phone Jul 21 15:33:04 ;-) before or also after testing the neo? Jul 21 15:33:29 bernt: also after I tested it like 2 minutes ago in the other phone Jul 21 15:34:42 :P Jul 21 15:34:50 Blame the freerunner for everything! Jul 21 15:35:24 the phone hasn't charged an is not the outlet for power, does this have to do with it? Jul 21 15:35:36 where can I get alsa-state-files for gta02? Jul 21 15:36:02 Blalien: have tried to connect to the phone through usb? Jul 21 15:36:52 i just realized my sdcard isnt being detected with this firmware Jul 21 15:37:09 lawl Jul 21 15:37:42 bernt: I'm trying right now Jul 21 15:40:19 bernt: Are there Windows drivers? Or only Linux Jul 21 15:40:55 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Im-Dave,-Oh-Yeah!.aspx Jul 21 15:41:32 dont know -- for linux there are some hints in the wiki ;-) Jul 21 15:43:05 oH YEah! Jul 21 15:44:54 DPThought: it triggers an event Jul 21 15:45:06 DPThought: but you have to wiggle the right pin. Jul 21 15:45:14 SpeedEvil: Is there a way to mount the Freerunner in Windows? Jul 21 15:45:15 DPThought: and setup the mixer the right way. Jul 21 15:45:32 Blastur: not with the tock config as I undertand it. Jul 21 15:45:46 stock Jul 21 15:46:17 Several ways - samba, ... , usb-mass-storage gadget Jul 21 15:46:23 whee Jul 21 15:46:44 usb-mass-storage requires exclusive access to the controlling device (i.e. Windows) Jul 21 15:47:20 dtx: I mean - setup the freerunner so that it preents as a mass storage device, not a network. Jul 21 15:47:21 is there a uboot option for that? Jul 21 15:47:32 No. Jul 21 15:48:07 There would have to be a small seperate running partition just to serve the main one out over usb (assuming FAT32 usage) Jul 21 15:48:47 Chocky: random question (excuse the randomness): are you the same Chocky who use to program on RISC OS? Jul 21 15:49:04 in the wiki there is a page for the neo1973 -- should also work for the freerunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Windows Jul 21 15:50:28 yessir Jul 21 15:50:30 * kd8ikt considers wifi + ssh/scp Jul 21 15:50:50 putty/winscp Jul 21 15:51:02 :P winblows Jul 21 15:51:22 rumbled. again! Jul 21 15:51:35 why was I assuming FAT32 though Jul 21 15:51:41 eh Jul 21 15:52:00 Chocky: :) (recognised your name from #riscos many years ago) Jul 21 15:52:14 I know with the Zaurus it would serve up the SD card over usb-mass-storage Jul 21 15:52:20 http://gizmodo.com/5027195/star-wars-meets-classic-art Jul 21 15:52:50 bernt: But that's for ethernet emulation Jul 21 15:53:19 that's riscy business, chocky :p Jul 21 15:53:42 yes, and then you can ssh to the phone to test the sim ;-) Jul 21 15:53:48 yessir Jul 21 15:54:49 RISC OS was the first "real" OS to run on ARM. Jul 21 15:55:12 indeed, ARM was designed as a desktop processor to run it. Jul 21 15:55:22 er, or something. I know that's cyclic. Jul 21 15:56:15 * Weiss wonders how many other RISC OS types will end up around here Jul 21 15:56:39 my sms is not working \= i can't send or receive Jul 21 15:56:58 risc is arm eh? Jul 21 15:57:02 no Jul 21 15:57:17 "RISC" is a technology that exists in most processors these days Jul 21 15:57:18 r in arm = r from risc Jul 21 15:57:26 but ARM was one of the original RISC processors. Jul 21 15:57:32 the _OS_ is called "RISC OS". ktb. Jul 21 15:57:34 i think Jul 21 15:57:50 reduced instruction set something? Jul 21 15:58:00 zash: yes, ARM=Advanced RISC Machines Jul 21 15:58:17 * Chocky likes how pepole continue guessing in the face of precise definitions. Jul 21 15:58:20 Reduced instruction set computer Jul 21 15:59:06 RISC OS could probably run on FR, but I think, rather unlikely that someone would care enough to put in the effort for drivers. Jul 21 15:59:23 more likely Pandora or something, which has a real keyboard Jul 21 15:59:40 The Baby was the first RISC computer. Jul 21 15:59:47 brent: Windows is unable to install the driver Jul 21 16:00:00 I think I could better try Linux Jul 21 16:00:17 yeah Jul 21 16:00:23 my sms is not working \= i can't send or receive. are there any log files i might consult to see what's going on? Jul 21 16:00:27 SpeedEvil: yessir, but ARM was the first in a consumer computer. Jul 21 16:00:42 * SpeedEvil ponders the LEO instruction set. Jul 21 16:00:56 not PPC, as Apple would have you believe. Jul 21 16:01:08 Eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Jul 21 16:01:21 Deavvvvvvvvvvvvveil Jul 21 16:01:28 >:D Jul 21 16:01:54 Chocky: you're claiming the Lyons electronic office wasn't a consumer computer? Jul 21 16:01:54 dammit. Monday morning. Jul 21 16:02:10 c64 Jul 21 16:02:12 Is there a Live CD anyone could recommend? Jul 21 16:02:25 knoppix, debian Jul 21 16:02:40 SpeedEvil: dunno. I guess I'd have to look that up. Jul 21 16:02:54 slax Jul 21 16:02:55 Before your time, too? :P Jul 21 16:03:04 backtrack Jul 21 16:03:05 * Dave irons kd8ikt Jul 21 16:03:15 Although in defence, I really meant "home computer", although there's much less of a distinction these days Jul 21 16:03:47 defense? Jul 21 16:03:57 * Chocky defends his typos. Jul 21 16:04:17 is that like deplane? Jul 21 16:04:18 :O Jul 21 16:04:21 (LEO was 1951, with significantly less power than most washing machine controllers today) Jul 21 16:04:26 get off the fence? Jul 21 16:04:27 it's embiggening Jul 21 16:04:32 getoffmylawn Jul 21 16:04:42 You meddling kids! Jul 21 16:04:43 ROFL Jul 21 16:05:06 SPANISH DOUBLOONS! Jul 21 16:05:21 I can't seem to find a instruction set for LEO. Jul 21 16:05:23 well, many washing machine controllers these days are - guess what - ARM (AFAIR) Jul 21 16:05:33 But it's going to be quite RISCy - due to the valve count. Jul 21 16:05:34 These comments are far from crommulent Jul 21 16:05:37 though probably many are lower power 68ks and such Jul 21 16:05:44 Speedevil, have you considered the fact it might be a bit too antiquated? Jul 21 16:05:57 dude i want to interface my HVAC system with linux Jul 21 16:06:07 I want my LEM to run Linux. Jul 21 16:06:48 Lunar Excursion Module? Jul 21 16:07:00 s/Lunar/Linux/ Jul 21 16:07:52 * carrar waits for a new release out of boardem Jul 21 16:08:04 :D Jul 21 16:08:11 Was that a bad pun or bad spelling? Jul 21 16:08:14 is your SD card mounted with the 21 latest? Jul 21 16:08:23 both! Jul 21 16:08:28 SD == Space Destroyer? Jul 21 16:08:30 * Chocky doesn't get the pun. Jul 21 16:08:40 Dave: backwards Death Star Jul 21 16:08:43 star destroyer? Jul 21 16:08:45 I was thinking of taking the phone over to ICOM and have them solder on a capacitor Jul 21 16:08:48 all your base? Jul 21 16:09:09 not sure I could talk them into that Jul 21 16:09:22 money can do amazing things Jul 21 16:09:31 heh Jul 21 16:09:40 yes it can Jul 21 16:09:57 Dave: so, I'm still confuzzled about the whole booting from ext3 thing. I have the latest u-boot which someone built for me. partition is ext3. I think the error is "bad magic" or somesuch with the uImage.bin. what am I missing? Jul 21 16:10:19 any advantage to upgrading uboot? Jul 21 16:13:19 pesky italians Jul 21 16:13:38 yes, but answer my question Jul 21 16:13:40 chocky, you're saying the sd card is ext3? Jul 21 16:13:44 I am. Jul 21 16:13:47 ah yeah Jul 21 16:13:50 that's a known issue :p Jul 21 16:13:51 among many Jul 21 16:14:11 I thought that had been fixx0red in the latest uboot. which is why I got it :o Jul 21 16:14:22 hrm Jul 21 16:14:39 yeah and the gps/sd bug was supposed to be fixed in teh latest kernel Jul 21 16:14:44 so I updated, and surprise, it did nothing Jul 21 16:14:48 So, :P~ Jul 21 16:14:50 heh. Jul 21 16:14:54 don't believe everything you hear ;) Jul 21 16:15:22 Dave: I updated, and it fixed it. Jul 21 16:15:25 dammit Dave, don't make me look at the u-boot source :o Jul 21 16:16:02 Didn't for me Jul 21 16:17:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdeab4bcaa46f 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb: [u-boot] Fix recipe parsing after the removal of the other u-boot recipes Jul 21 16:17:32 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3cb0e51a70a1 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] Package efreet-trash separately to keep having a libefreet0 Jul 21 16:17:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb79444193128 10/packages/efl1/efreet_cvs.bb: [efl] To avoid future issues also set the LEAD_SONAME Jul 21 16:17:33 openmoko: 03rpurdie 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1231a9d598e3 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: Add check for problematic /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr values Jul 21 16:17:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6f11296d1bdf 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: [sanity] Move the mmap_min_addr check out of arch == arm as ecj-initial fails Jul 21 16:17:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r412891c610e4 10/packages/gtk-webcore/midori_0.0.17.bb: [midori] Force linking to supc++ to avoid undefined symbols Jul 21 16:17:40 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raf29ac026bf8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Remove qtopia-phone as it does not build (gta02) Jul 21 16:17:40 spam! Jul 21 16:17:43 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2546d133dd96 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the critical minicom application to the feed Jul 21 16:17:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra9c751e2df5d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add a good editor to the feed Jul 21 16:17:51 openmoko: 03mail 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r94eef6027688 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.2rc2+git.bb: [u-boot-openmoko] Build u-boot from the Openmoko git repository Jul 21 16:17:54 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r12fb766bf920 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [u-boot-openmoko] Clean up, move the git rev to sane-srcrevs Jul 21 16:17:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d5ec20e39cf 10/packages/u-boot/ (3 files): [u-boot-openmoko] Remove the old svn recipes Jul 21 16:18:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd237d8b42514 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb: [u-boot] Fix recipe parsing after the removal of the other u-boot recipes Jul 21 16:18:14 more u-boot hacking Jul 21 16:19:10 boss got BMW towed. rotflcopter. Jul 21 16:19:13 both work fine for me, or atleast did now with the latest 20080721 my sdcard isnt being detected/mounted Jul 21 16:19:34 Chocky: make sure that your kernel file is at the same path that's specified in the u-boot "fatload" command (e.g. /uImage.bin). From the u-boot console, you can try "mmcinit" then "ext2ls mmc 1" to see if you can see the file Jul 21 16:19:56 s/fatload/ext2load Jul 21 16:20:05 right. Jul 21 16:20:24 * Chocky hrms at USB u-boot console. Jul 21 16:20:50 wonder if my laptop kernel is missing some option. Jul 21 16:21:10 you need the cdc_acm driver Jul 21 16:21:16 aye Jul 21 16:22:32 Does anyone know how to use the GTK theme from 2007.2 on ASU? Jul 21 16:23:28 I tried adding GTK2_RC_FILES="/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" and it came out looking different but not the same Jul 21 16:23:36 As 2007.2 Jul 21 16:25:02 Dave: The T-Mobile SIM card of my father works... So I'm going to update the software when I the live cd is completed. Jul 21 16:28:17 Anyone? Jul 21 16:28:17 GoldenHawk update it. the matchbox settings daemon needs to be running and connected to dbus or so Jul 21 16:29:07 i think the themes and so were commited quite a while ago Jul 21 16:29:13 Matchbox settings daemon eh? Jul 21 16:29:25 I just installed ASU from a snapshot yesterday Jul 21 16:29:32 there we go got my sdcard back up Jul 21 16:30:41 think rmmod'ing modules i dont use nor plan to use anytime soon will extend bat life? ie bluetooth? Jul 21 16:31:16 GoldenHawk the gtk apps need it for the correct skinning. it should be in asu. i dunno the exact details Jul 21 16:31:46 roh: Thanks I'll see if I can figure it out ^.^ Jul 21 16:31:57 http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/07/asu-and-gtk.html Jul 21 16:32:39 why it doesnt work for you, i dunno.. i still have a quite old asu before that fix on my device due to other areas i tested (did not need recent ui) Jul 21 16:34:04 all my status icons in the upperight dissapeared over night Jul 21 16:34:12 so sad Jul 21 16:34:26 Now that I have a place to start I should be able to figure it out. (Hopefully! ^.^) Jul 21 16:35:12 Good day, roh :) Jul 21 16:35:21 Blalien: ah, I see :) Jul 21 16:35:32 Yeah, because mine T-Mobile SIMs work fine, as well :) Jul 21 16:35:42 So do my AT&T ones (3GF) Jul 21 16:35:59 is there any particularly recommended wifi setup widget to get the latest nightly build freerunner up on wifi (without using iwconfig eth0 xxxx on the command line) ? Jul 21 16:36:00 rwhitby are you still around? Jul 21 16:38:52 Hi, does the freerunner support 3g speeds? Jul 21 16:39:09 simoo: no Jul 21 16:39:51 retracile: cheers Jul 21 16:55:31 I'm trying to connect my bluetooth keyboard but it doesn't work after it's connected.. Jul 21 16:55:46 can anyone tell me which package contains the python gstreamer bindings? I had them on FSO but cant find the package back on ASU, although its the same repo, isnt it? Oo Jul 21 16:56:06 anyone here have success mounting jffs2? Jul 21 16:56:34 Dave/Blalien - Do either of you folks know of anyone looking into issues with SIM cards? Jul 21 16:56:54 sparrow: Nope Jul 21 16:57:38 * sparrow has been trying to debug Rogers Canada SIM cards for three days now =P Jul 21 16:57:42 Thanks roh. I installed the settings daemon and it looks much better now. (Didn't seem to be installed by default) Jul 21 16:57:45 so my 3g (umts) sim card works fine on an openmoko Jul 21 16:57:46 ? Jul 21 16:58:12 srry im completely new here on freenode .... im interested in the freerunner :) Jul 21 16:58:17 roh: Although the icons are different from before... it still has that gray windowsy look. Jul 21 16:58:27 I have tried about 12 SIM cards that I have borrowed from friends nad what not, but only getting about 50% working. Jul 21 16:58:32 roh: But at least the fonts don't go off the side of the screen anymore. Jul 21 16:58:55 roh: Oh.. hm.. in places it does :/ Jul 21 16:58:57 imtolzytotypprply. Jul 21 17:00:47 i cant get settings-daemon to run Jul 21 17:00:59 "only one xsettings blah blah at a time Jul 21 17:01:18 leaning over too far? Jul 21 17:10:15 Hi, what contact file format can the openmoko import and export? Jul 21 17:10:36 are bluetooth headsets supported? Jul 21 17:11:23 not currently through a gui Jul 21 17:11:37 everything is supported with enough hard work. :p This is a developer phone, isn't it? Jul 21 17:11:37 there are people who have got them running via a terminal Jul 21 17:12:03 can the address book import ldif and vcards etc? Jul 21 17:12:11 and its the only linux running phone at the moment? Jul 21 17:12:17 no Jul 21 17:12:42 wich phone runs linux then? Jul 21 17:12:57 * kd8ikt bets this is the "best" linux phone Jul 21 17:12:59 * olejorgenb listens carefully Jul 21 17:13:02 http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=linux+phone&btnG=Google+Search Jul 21 17:13:08 There are a lot of phones that run linux Jul 21 17:13:11 heh chocky you ass Jul 21 17:13:22 chocky has a real point Jul 21 17:13:33 plus some others can be hacked to run Linux Jul 21 17:14:06 I just want a phone that actually is customizable and supports 3th party software Jul 21 17:14:10 FreeRunner is the only open phone, however. By a long way. Jul 21 17:14:34 I guess freerunner is perfect, but I'd wish the software was more stable Jul 21 17:14:40 olejorgenb: treos and blackberries fit that description Jul 21 17:14:46 FR no perfect, but pretty good. Jul 21 17:14:48 not Jul 21 17:15:34 you know that top button that lets you switch display/running app sometimes it dies on me Jul 21 17:15:44 aw Jul 21 17:15:48 what format does the FreeRunner keep it's address book in? Jul 21 17:16:30 .evolution/ Jul 21 17:16:48 db Jul 21 17:16:54 2007.2 has eds as backend, asu/qtopia has sqlite Jul 21 17:17:03 http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=1138 Jul 21 17:17:05 etc. Jul 21 17:17:26 thanks, can the contacts be exported to other formats? Jul 21 17:17:35 anytux is a nice site :) Jul 21 17:17:49 when I type /media/card in the Terminal it says permission denied Jul 21 17:18:02 is it normal that it is impossible tu turn off bluetooth in the latest 2007.2 image? Jul 21 17:18:11 Blastur: what, exactly, are you expecting? Jul 21 17:18:15 er, Blalien Jul 21 17:19:04 Chocky: Well I'm trying to access the Micro SD. (And yeah I havn't worked with Linux that often ;)) Jul 21 17:19:21 cd /media/card ? Jul 21 17:19:28 so, again, what are you trying to do? and does 'ls -l /media/card/' not work? Jul 21 17:19:28 Blalien: Try "cd /media/card" Jul 21 17:19:39 sigh Jul 21 17:19:46 never mind. too many cooks. Jul 21 17:20:11 Zilla/fuzzyt: thanks Jul 21 17:20:16 NP Jul 21 17:20:34 Zorkman: I see an option to turn off bluetooth on mine Jul 21 17:20:34 cd is dos like.....:| Jul 21 17:20:40 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1465c89a7b9a 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko Jul 21 17:20:54 Hello Chocky Jul 21 17:20:58 How goes it, Blalien? Jul 21 17:20:59 * Chocky cringes at DOS comparisons. Jul 21 17:21:11 dtx: me too, and i use it, but then there is an option to check the status of bluetooth and this keeps telling me it is on Jul 21 17:21:24 sure thats the newest? Jul 21 17:21:26 * Chocky waits for "dir *.*" Jul 21 17:21:26 dtx: i also do cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on and get "1" as reslt Jul 21 17:21:38 sounds like factory shipped firmware for the FR Jul 21 17:21:48 thats a good sign Zorkman :) Jul 21 17:21:57 but i want to power it off Jul 21 17:22:10 try echo 0 >> /sys Jul 21 17:22:36 instaead of /sys the whole /sys/bus/etc Jul 21 17:22:41 yes, let's concatenate a zero to the directory. Jul 21 17:22:54 * Chocky h5s DaveLab. Jul 21 17:23:36 Zilla i did echo 0 >> /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on and when I do cat it still returns 1 Jul 21 17:23:47 i'll check if there is a bugreport on this Jul 21 17:23:58 thats weird... Jul 21 17:24:08 but i dont have a freerunner...:P Jul 21 17:24:21 lsusb will show you if the bluetooth thingy is there. Jul 21 17:24:50 SpeedEvil: it returns Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Jul 21 17:25:03 That's the root hub Jul 21 17:25:19 anyway, it is not very important I just don't want to use too much battery Jul 21 17:25:26 it'll say somethiong like 3381:3147 csr Jul 21 17:25:44 Zorkman: echo 0 > /sys/whatever (not ">>") Jul 21 17:25:58 mmontour: shouldn't either do the same? Jul 21 17:26:04 mmontour: I did that, i learned that command yesterday so I typed it right :) Jul 21 17:26:20 sometimes >> dont work and > does work.../ Jul 21 17:26:35 I don't actually know how a sysfs entry responds to ">>" Jul 21 17:26:35 * Chocky buries accuracy at sea. Jul 21 17:27:59 hm, I especially like how u-boot's terminal delays by one character. makes it real fun to type stuff in Jul 21 17:30:10 Chocky, not really ;) Jul 21 17:30:22 "known bug"? Jul 21 17:30:40 Looks like ">>" and ">" are the same for that sysfs entry, I guess because it has a size of 0. Jul 21 17:31:40 and then you reach the end of the line in minicom or 'cu' and it doesn't wrap. comedy. Jul 21 17:32:00 minicom really is dire. I'm not sure why I use it everyday. Jul 21 17:32:29 Chocky: I've seen that one-character delay a couple of times. You may prefer to use "screen" rather than minicom. Jul 21 17:32:40 hilarity. Jul 21 17:33:31 * Chocky doesn't care for screen, personally Jul 21 17:35:25 mmontour: I did that, i learned that command yesterday so I typed it right :) Jul 21 17:35:46 sorry, dubbelpost, wanted to press up and enter in terminal :) Jul 21 17:37:15 hm, ext2ls is good. fatload isn't having any of it. Jul 21 17:37:43 Well, only 1 of the 2 will ever work on a given partition (depending on whether it's ext2/3 or FAT) Jul 21 17:38:19 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7fe0f5a32344 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work Jul 21 17:38:52 oops Jul 21 17:38:55 * Chocky slaps self Jul 21 17:39:09 There are 4 commands: ext2ls, ext2load, fatls, fatload (and there's a u-boot "help" cmd that shows usage for them) Jul 21 17:39:32 * Chocky hangs head Jul 21 17:39:52 heh Jul 21 17:40:00 * DaveLab pokes rwhitby Jul 21 17:40:20 Chocky, neither do I (re: screen). Jul 21 17:40:21 i found this neat lil wlan script Jul 21 17:40:21 :) Jul 21 17:40:30 kd8ikt, on teh wiki? :p Jul 21 17:40:46 or do you have some secret stash, and you're holding out on all of us :) Jul 21 17:40:58 nah i'm googling to see if i can find it again Jul 21 17:41:09 i could pastebin it Jul 21 17:42:18 dtx: does aldrin already run on openmoko? Jul 21 17:42:36 http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/wireless.html Jul 21 17:43:30 I don't know if there is an OpenEmbedded port of it yet Jul 21 17:43:43 But the UI is made in Python and the DSP libs are C Jul 21 17:46:30 Anyone know what the data on the factory installed image is? Jul 21 17:46:35 s/data/date Jul 21 17:48:02 * Chocky types in huge-ass uboot command, and gets one char wrong. fnar. Jul 21 17:48:06 hi everyone =) Jul 21 17:48:20 my memories of u-boot are much friendlier Jul 21 17:48:35 who broke it in the last 4 years? Jul 21 17:48:47 Heh Jul 21 17:49:20 I finally got a working sim card Jul 21 17:49:30 Erm, speaking of u-boot - is the version on the buildhost already the one with booting-from-ext3-support? Jul 21 17:49:41 zion - What brand is your sim? Jul 21 17:49:46 at&t Jul 21 17:49:52 ChaosEagle: quite possibly not Jul 21 17:49:53 I got the 4022 from ebay Jul 21 17:50:16 oh, okay - thanks, then I'll have to wait some more before trying out qtopia Jul 21 17:50:28 it just worked on the default image Jul 21 17:50:45 Nice... I am still in sim hell ;) Jul 21 17:50:54 just buy the one off of ebay Jul 21 17:51:00 normally, I have no problem at all messing with boot loaders, but the whole character delay thing makes it way too frustrating for Monday morning. Jul 21 17:51:08 it will just work. and for $4 it is a cheap fix Jul 21 17:51:24 sparrow: me too. Thinking of getting a new sim from O2 on wednesday, though Jul 21 17:51:29 hello, I keep getting mad with my ar6k wifi driver. I have a question, what is the MTU size you are using with Ar6K ? If somebody could do an ifconfig on his device :) Jul 21 17:51:32 ChaosEagle: "20080721" is still the old one, but the new recipe has now been checked. Jul 21 17:51:48 s/checked/checked in/ Jul 21 17:51:48 mmontour meant: ChaosEagle: "20080721" is still the old one, but the new recipe has now been checked in. Jul 21 17:51:49 mmontour: Okay, thanks! Jul 21 17:52:05 teehee Jul 21 17:52:07 so, I can ssh in over usb now, but I can't ping anything on the local network. my lan is on 192.168.0. too Jul 21 17:52:08 hey, you got a perl bot? :D Jul 21 17:52:11 neat. Jul 21 17:52:15 but of course! Jul 21 17:52:18 B:BB 4lyfe Jul 21 17:52:26 need to setup routing if all through usb zion Jul 21 17:52:27 * DaveLab pets apt Jul 21 17:52:29 whats the magic network config to be able to ping 192.168.0.4 ? Jul 21 17:52:39 best bet would be to connect wirelessly to an AP Jul 21 17:52:40 magic network config? Jul 21 17:52:53 path of least resistance Jul 21 17:52:58 kd8ikt, and hope it doesn't require quirky security features :) Jul 21 17:53:02 sorry, tend to use the work magic frequently Jul 21 17:53:26 I have the default config on the ;hone now, with .200 as the gateway Jul 21 17:53:29 zion, you can't ping anything on the local network via usb because you didn't setup routing and fowarding (i.e. it's not masquerading) Jul 21 17:53:31 eh i've connected via open and wpa with no issues Jul 21 17:53:35 So don't bother with the wireless Jul 21 17:53:40 its just some AP's are lame Jul 21 17:53:42 How hard/dangerous is flashing uboot, anyway? Is it at all possible without a debug board? Jul 21 17:53:49 aaah.... ok. makes sense Jul 21 17:54:03 see: wiki/USB_Networking or the Getting_Started_with_your... blah blah blah page Jul 21 17:54:03 ChaosEagle: it is not dangerous Jul 21 17:54:13 untill you brick it Jul 21 17:54:17 zion/ChaosEagle - Would you two be willing to send me a back and front images of your sim cards that don't work? Jul 21 17:54:18 *laughs* Jul 21 17:54:32 ChaosEagle: if you mess up: there is always a u-boot saved in NAND and you can copy the one from NAND to NOR Jul 21 17:54:35 zion, also you'll need to add a valid nameserver later to your GTA02's resolv.conf otherwise it assumes that your local PC can perform name lookup operations, which typically is untrue. Jul 21 17:54:36 Is it possible that somebody wh is actually using a gta02 device to copy to me the result of an ifconfig with no parameters ? thank you Jul 21 17:54:41 sparrow: sorry, they are gone into the at&t garbage can Jul 21 17:54:42 Okay, I bricked enough devices up to now to know what to do and what to avoid, I think ;) Jul 21 17:54:47 Zorkman: teh other way round Jul 21 17:54:54 sparrow: Sure, just give me a sec to get my cam Jul 21 17:55:02 Tanuva: indeed, sorry, i was confused Jul 21 17:55:07 :) Jul 21 17:55:13 kay dee eight aigh kay tee Jul 21 17:55:25 Zorkman: it's the other way around - NOR is the protected one. Jul 21 17:55:32 DaveLab: I need to get masquerading setup here... is there a quick howto hiding somewhere. last time I did that I used a deprecated bash script Jul 21 17:55:35 sparrow, what is the service in question? Jul 21 17:55:42 carrar: hows that perl script comming along Jul 21 17:55:43 zion, I just linked you to it. Jul 21 17:55:49 mmontour, yes, Tanuva pointed this out to me, i was confused, my bad Jul 21 17:55:54 there's automated scripts on the USB_Networking page and everything Jul 21 17:56:02 DaveLab - I am using Rogers in Canada Jul 21 17:56:04 on and you have my word that they are updated now and working :) Jul 21 17:56:16 Sparrow, oh Jul 21 17:56:22 uh oh, angry Canadian Jul 21 17:56:23 I have no idea what their SIM cards are like :D Jul 21 17:56:26 yep Jul 21 17:56:42 Sparrow but might as well add it to the [bad] SIM providers list and services list :) Jul 21 17:56:59 compiling that data so far seems to be somewhat useful Jul 21 17:57:23 not for resolution but at the very least calming the nerves of other [infuriated canadians] Jul 21 17:58:20 Chocky :D Jul 21 17:58:25 DaveLab - Is that a page on the wiki? Jul 21 17:58:32 Kanuckistan Jul 21 17:59:00 please ? is there anybody that is actually using a gta02 device and could give me the result of an ifconfig ? Jul 21 17:59:05 as opposed to El Loco Estados Unidos Jul 21 17:59:09 it would be nice Jul 21 17:59:14 sparrow, yes! Jul 21 17:59:16 :D Jul 21 17:59:27 <- pidgeon Spanush. Jul 21 17:59:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 21 18:00:08 then see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Set_up_USB-based_networking_and_update Jul 21 18:00:20 Fucking wiki :D Jul 21 18:00:29 speaking of which... Jul 21 18:00:48 wiki = cesspit. Jul 21 18:01:11 * DaveLab slaps wurp2 around a bit with an egregiously_long_url_name Jul 21 18:01:48 Long URL = 8KB Jul 21 18:01:51 sparrow: This is gonna take a while, my cam is really bad for macro-photography :/ Jul 21 18:02:10 ChaosEagle - As you have time. Thanks =) Jul 21 18:05:07 :D Jul 21 18:06:53 * Chocky wants a pants daemon Jul 21 18:07:24 does anyone have a script to connect automatically to an unsecure wifi when you run it? Jul 21 18:08:31 pantsd? Jul 21 18:08:36 yessir Jul 21 18:08:49 pantses users as they are detected? :D Jul 21 18:08:58 Not sure, but it sounds fun. Jul 21 18:10:02 * GoldenHawk sighs Jul 21 18:10:11 It's really hard to get a fix with my FR GPS Jul 21 18:10:13 woo, the next shipment of Freerunners will arrive to pulster.de the 22th! >D Jul 21 18:10:20 I just spent five minutes outside :/ No dice. Jul 21 18:10:26 :D * Jul 21 18:10:36 Goldenhawk: is your device up to date? Jul 21 18:10:36 And I installed a recent kernel to get rid of the sd card thing. Jul 21 18:10:42 Zorkman: Yeah Jul 21 18:11:28 GoldenHawk: have you used the agps-gui? thats very handy to see if you can find at least some sattelites Jul 21 18:11:41 Yes. Jul 21 18:11:45 I've gotten fixes before, they're just rare. Jul 21 18:11:54 And that UI generally shows a few satellites. Jul 21 18:12:02 But they're gray.. not enough signal. Jul 21 18:12:11 maybe your gps antenna connector is defect? there's a page on that on the wiki Jul 21 18:12:25 Yeah. I'm starting to wonder. Jul 21 18:12:25 Dave sez that the kernel fixes didn't work for him. might still have to remove SD card Jul 21 18:12:33 Really? Jul 21 18:12:37 GoldenHawk: same here Jul 21 18:12:38 * GoldenHawk tries Chocky's suggestion Jul 21 18:12:41 right Jul 21 18:13:03 I am running the most recent -everything- on one of my gta02's and it did nothing Jul 21 18:13:04 Humm, two new problems today Jul 21 18:13:17 I had it outside in range of 14 usable sats for an hour and nothing Jul 21 18:13:18 Mhh, for me the patches worked okay Jul 21 18:13:27 then I removed the SD card and tried it, it then worked. Jul 21 18:13:29 I can't boot anymore by pushing the power button Jul 21 18:13:31 * sparrow crashes the wiki Jul 21 18:13:42 especially the new thing with setting the card voltage (?) to 0 Jul 21 18:13:43 yes, someone fix that wiki database, thanks Jul 21 18:13:54 So I would argue clearly whatever was added to the kernel doesn't necessarily provide an effective workaround. Jul 21 18:14:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 21 18:14:29 and, when I boot, I can't see my SDCard data anymore (invalid partion table) Jul 21 18:14:32 Chaos, my understanding was that the software was supposed to -lower- it, but not turn it off. Jul 21 18:15:02 mckael, rut roh :p Jul 21 18:15:38 First thing first: any idea why it doesn't boot up? Jul 21 18:15:55 I can access uboot and boot from the menu, Jul 21 18:15:59 McKAel: how old is your uboot? Jul 21 18:16:10 and it does start up corrctly if I plug the USB cable Jul 21 18:16:11 kd8ikt, I have a question on gta02 wlan , may i ask it to you ? Jul 21 18:16:18 Zorkman: original one Jul 21 18:16:18 McKael: if the uboot is too old, maybe the freerunner can't boot up because your battery is too much drained? Jul 21 18:16:26 DaveLab, right, i just didn't find the right words Jul 21 18:16:37 Zorkman: nope, batt is fine (80-80%) Jul 21 18:16:46 80-85% Jul 21 18:16:51 I meant the new option which can be set from 0 to 3, where 2 is the default. Jul 21 18:17:00 setting it to 0 worked like a charm for me Jul 21 18:17:08 What are we talking about now? Jul 21 18:17:10 maybe try to enter NOR boot? Jul 21 18:17:16 ChaosEagle: did it change the TTFF? Jul 21 18:17:26 What setting do you speak of, Chaos? Jul 21 18:17:41 Zorkman: it _does_ boot, but not when I press the button! Jul 21 18:17:56 heehee Jul 21 18:18:00 mcKael: Considering I didn't get a fix with sd-card and without the fixes at all, yes ;) Jul 21 18:18:02 naughty freerunners :p Jul 21 18:18:08 McKael: sorry, i didn't read your first line :) Jul 21 18:18:09 DaveLab: drive strength, I think Jul 21 18:18:21 drive? in what sense? Jul 21 18:18:24 Wow, a lot more satellites came up. Jul 21 18:18:24 driving power?? Jul 21 18:18:36 Not strictly scientific, but I'd say that getting a fix in a train moving at ~80 km/h in about 300 secs is okay Jul 21 18:18:48 yeah, that's understandable Jul 21 18:18:49 Damn.. :/ Jul 21 18:18:54 Though flying on a plane was fun :p Jul 21 18:19:02 So the SD card flaw sin't fixed yet? I upgraded my kernel like a few days ago. Jul 21 18:19:12 DaveLab: Werner Almesberger told me, "The maximum current with which the Glamo pushes or pulls the signal." Jul 21 18:19:13 granted you're a lot closer to the satellites, and there's essentially -nothing- in the way :p Jul 21 18:19:26 GoldenHawk, there was a further fix of the fix very recently Jul 21 18:19:26 Oh, we're talking about glamo now? Jul 21 18:19:31 GoldenHawk: With the new kernel from today, it worked better for me *searches for the relevant post on the community ml* Jul 21 18:19:37 mjr: How recent? Jul 21 18:19:50 check today :) Jul 21 18:19:56 Chaos, please do locate it for us :) Jul 21 18:20:06 The community list is spamtacular so... Jul 21 18:20:37 ChaosHawk: did you enter sd_idleclk=1 and sd_drive=0 ? or what settings did you use to improve performance? Jul 21 18:20:55 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47 is the latest related patch I think Jul 21 18:21:22 Zorkman, I just used sd_drive=0 Jul 21 18:21:48 And the posting on the list was the one from Andy Green at 2:11 today Jul 21 18:21:54 Drakou: you ring me? Jul 21 18:21:55 Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches Jul 21 18:21:58 haha ChaosHawk Jul 21 18:21:58 :p Jul 21 18:22:34 anyone tested the Dinovo Mini on the Neo? Jul 21 18:22:45 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023016.html is the url Jul 21 18:22:54 kd8ikt, I am using the same Ar6k driver as you . And i would have like to know if there is special driver parameters definieded in the userland. (ar6k module parameters for examples ) Jul 21 18:23:03 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022914.html i mean Jul 21 18:23:32 So no clue about my booting problem? Do you know if just pressing "power" is supposed to be the same as selecting "boot" from the u-boot menu? Jul 21 18:23:46 ChaosEagle: is it correct to just type "sd_drive=0" in the terminal logged in the freerunner? or do i have to do something else? Jul 21 18:24:11 ChaosEagle: and is this setting persistent or will i have to do it every time i boot the device?) Jul 21 18:24:32 I have tried the generic iptalbes config and the gentoo specific one, can not ping outside of the .200 Jul 21 18:24:35 there is no userland wifi stuff except "iwpriv iwconfig iwlist " (the iw-tools) Jul 21 18:24:41 Oh, or could my NAND boot be crashed? Jul 21 18:25:31 zion, have you done the masquerading and set forwarding? Jul 21 18:25:34 it WILL work :) Jul 21 18:25:40 DaveLab: yes Jul 21 18:25:53 Zorkman, sorry, was distracted for a sec Jul 21 18:25:53 if you doubt the scripts validity you are always welcome to enter the commands yourself :) Jul 21 18:25:58 had to enable it in my kernel Jul 21 18:26:10 you will likely need root access to set the ip foward state switch however :) Jul 21 18:26:14 oh, heh Jul 21 18:26:31 Likely distracted by his now-functional gps :p Jul 21 18:26:32 Zorkman, take a look here: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47 Jul 21 18:26:36 I presume external antennas have been known to bypass this problem? Jul 21 18:27:04 Goldenhawk: yes, i have read nothing negative on the mailinglist from people using external antennas, only positive things Jul 21 18:27:06 so I have all the kernel config setup right, modules loaded. iptables -L looks ok.... Jul 21 18:27:09 Zorkman: It boils down to "echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive" on the console Jul 21 18:27:22 and is it persistent? or needed to run every time? Jul 21 18:27:29 Zorkman: And it's not persistant AFAIK, you have to do it every time Jul 21 18:27:34 Zorkman: Thanks. I'll probably just pick one up and keep it in my car ^.^ Jul 21 18:27:35 DaveLab: I just copy/pasted from the wiki Jul 21 18:27:37 ok, thank you very much Jul 21 18:28:21 is there anything I have to do diff, if I have 192.168.0.0 as my lan ? Jul 21 18:28:50 zion: set a very specific route to your FR. Jul 21 18:28:54 Oh, they're on the same subnet? Jul 21 18:28:57 yeah :P Jul 21 18:29:16 retracile: I can ssh into FR Jul 21 18:29:30 Zion, go go go! Jul 21 18:29:32 I just can't get on my lan over usb from FR Jul 21 18:30:11 retracile, his pc isn't forwarding and/or masquerading, and he has all the necessary items at his disposal, just has to do it, I suppose :) Jul 21 18:30:39 I can ping my desktop Jul 21 18:30:58 so it looks like some iptables mojo is in order... wonder where I can get that. Jul 21 18:31:00 * zion googles Jul 21 18:31:02 sparrow: I have the pictures you requested. :) Jul 21 18:31:54 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; done Jul 21 18:32:28 after which you may want to set a valid nameserver in resolv.conf (as I mentioned earlier), if you want to use dns Jul 21 18:32:46 Hmm, boots fine from NAND too Jul 21 18:33:24 ... and I find that 'scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/var/run/resolv.conf' works well for that. Jul 21 18:33:33 Maybe I'm just going crazy, I'll try one more time. Jul 21 18:33:44 I recently changed from 2007.2 to ASU .. is there still an easy way to take screenshots? Jul 21 18:34:05 ack! DaveLab, after that, iptables -L lists nothing Jul 21 18:34:33 iptables -t nat -L -v -n Jul 21 18:34:35 open season on zion! Jul 21 18:34:47 ;) Jul 21 18:34:53 yeah, I am thinking this is a bit off topic? Jul 21 18:35:40 Agreed! Jul 21 18:35:57 DaveLab: I haven't tried, but wouldn't deleting the line in /etc/network/interfaces be enough to not overwrite the resolv.conf? Jul 21 18:36:16 IIRC by default it's overwrittent when usb0 comes up Jul 21 18:37:49 it'd be fine Jul 21 18:37:57 'echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive' didn't help me any :/ Jul 21 18:38:25 GoldenHawk: it doesn't seem to make any difference here also Jul 21 18:38:33 Oh well. Jul 21 18:41:21 hrm Jul 21 18:41:32 Anyone had any success yet with USB dongles? Jul 21 18:42:19 not yet tried Jul 21 18:42:42 http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 <-- This appears to have an AGPS tutorial. I'm going to try that and see if it help. Jul 21 18:43:18 I can connect to an unprotected wifi with thename of "SMC", but how do I connect to a wifi with no name? iwconfig eth0 essid "" does not work Jul 21 18:43:40 ah, the "does not work" bug report. Jul 21 18:44:45 Alright well I'm trying it now, with no luck :P Jul 21 18:44:58 Zorkman: a wifi with no name??? Is it yours? Jul 21 18:45:02 It's supposed to be a powered interface though, on the freerunner (despite it being 1.1) Jul 21 18:45:12 Isn't that right, Speedevil? :p Jul 21 18:46:14 DaveLab: yep it should be powered, don't know if that is controlled by software though Jul 21 18:46:14 i'm trying to partition my SD card like the wiki says but "fdisk /dev/mmcblk0" gives me: "warning: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: device or resource busy" Jul 21 18:46:25 tig, right Jul 21 18:46:46 my thinking is that it expected to see some sort of battery-charging connection, but when it doesn't, it just craps out Jul 21 18:47:18 because lsusb shows nothing, and dmesg gives me nothing useful - though it is a bit unclear since it is filled with irq spam Jul 21 18:47:31 lollydays: did you boot from the SD card? Jul 21 18:47:33 lollydays: try "umount /media/card" before running fdisk. You can also use "df" or "mount" to see what's currently mounted Jul 21 18:47:37 Well, I'm off for now Jul 21 18:47:43 McKael, no Jul 21 18:47:52 Sparrow: If I can be of further assistance, just drop me a mail =) Jul 21 18:47:53 mmontour, i'll try that thanks Jul 21 18:47:58 lollydays: mmontour's suggestion then :) Jul 21 18:48:07 omg perl looks like kanji to me Jul 21 18:48:14 I can't mount mine anymore :\ Jul 21 18:48:30 kd8ikt: haha brutal Jul 21 18:48:41 mmontour, when I try to unmount it it says "device is busy" Jul 21 18:48:48 lollydays: cd Jul 21 18:48:54 http://www.osburn.com/scanwifi Jul 21 18:49:00 Yasumoto_: Jul 21 18:49:15 lollydays: didn't you cd to a SD directory? Jul 21 18:49:17 i wanted to change its output Jul 21 18:49:33 McKael, no I'm in ~ Jul 21 18:49:35 goddamn, do we need a separate channel for this? :P Jul 21 18:49:51 lollydays: then shut down whatever is accessing /media/card (qtopia?) Jul 21 18:49:57 kd8ikt: yikes. I'm a python guy and I just finished taking a year of japanese, so I feel your pain Jul 21 18:50:14 mmontour, yeah I'm running qtopia... is that the problem Jul 21 18:51:05 qtopia puts a database onto /media/card. That's probably what's preventing you from unmounting it. Jul 21 18:51:52 Joerg, awake? :D Jul 21 18:52:26 mmontour, ah ok Jul 21 18:52:35 ecraven! Jul 21 18:52:49 DaveLab, what's up? Jul 21 18:52:50 anybody know what cause "opkg update" to give "Could not obtain administrative lock" error? (Running Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02) Jul 21 18:52:59 DaveLab: how are your forays into python working/ Jul 21 18:53:08 ecraven, well, at the moment I am trying to get usb dongle to work :| Jul 21 18:53:17 ecraven, oh, they are coming along :D Jul 21 18:53:25 slowly :P Jul 21 18:53:35 never mind, the problem mysteriously cleared itself Jul 21 18:53:38 I can't exactly spend all day, every day on it :) Jul 21 18:53:46 chipr, ah, you must be a windows user! Jul 21 18:53:48 McKael: sorry i was busy, calling and alsamixing :) Jul 21 18:53:49 :p Jul 21 18:54:16 McKael: it is not mine; is it possible to connect to it? Jul 21 18:54:35 this is what i get: Jul 21 18:54:35 root@om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 essid "" Jul 21 18:54:35 Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : Jul 21 18:54:35 SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argument. Jul 21 18:55:06 What's the problem? Jul 21 18:55:11 That seems perfectly valid. Jul 21 18:55:34 Why? That wireless network is in range and I can't connect to it... Jul 21 18:55:52 a wireless network with no essid? Jul 21 18:56:03 heh Jul 21 18:56:03 root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scanning Jul 21 18:56:03 Zorkman: That's a hidden ESSID Jul 21 18:56:05 happens sometimes Jul 21 18:56:07 eth0 Scan completed : Jul 21 18:56:11 Cell 01 - Address: 00:13:92:04:2E:57 Jul 21 18:56:15 ESSID:"" Jul 21 18:56:16 so explicitly specify the ap then! Jul 21 18:56:19 Mode:Master Jul 21 18:56:19 Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Jul 21 18:56:19 Quality=3/94 Signal level=-92 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Jul 21 18:56:19 Encryption key:off Jul 21 18:56:19 Extra:bcn_int=100 Jul 21 18:56:20 Extra:wmm_ie=dd180050f2020101000003a4000027a4000042435e0062322f00 Jul 21 18:56:21 You can't connect unless you know it Jul 21 18:56:25 (duh) :p Jul 21 18:56:26 Captain Obvious! Jul 21 18:56:27 aha, thanks Jul 21 18:56:28 huhu Jul 21 18:56:30 :D Jul 21 18:56:37 sorry, i'm new to all this Jul 21 18:56:44 * DaveLab is now known as CptObvious Jul 21 18:57:21 "Does not enable wearer to fly" Jul 21 18:57:33 "Does not enable user to make phone calls" Jul 21 18:59:16 hmm, well, this isn't going according to plan... Jul 21 18:59:53 * Chocky slaps the clowns putting underscores in Wiki links Jul 21 19:02:12 bah, where is mr. joerg :{ Jul 21 19:03:35 mmontour, when I try mkfs.vfat it says "not found" for the command Jul 21 19:04:16 apt-get install dosfstools Jul 21 19:04:36 And if you're using Fedora, then _for goodness sake, upgrade to Debian_ Jul 21 19:04:49 thats shity quality 3/94 Jul 21 19:06:03 lollydays: as Chocky said, you need to install a package that provides that tool. You can try "opkg install dosfstools" on the Neo but I don't know if it's available (or if it's called something else) Jul 21 19:06:09 :D Jul 21 19:06:36 mmontour, damn Jul 21 19:07:33 not sure where it is to be found in opkgs. Jul 21 19:09:51 grr Jul 21 19:10:05 Chocky, where what is? Jul 21 19:10:13 mkfs.vfat Jul 21 19:10:46 mmontour, ok thanks Jul 21 19:11:01 o.O Jul 21 19:11:03 hey anyone figure out how to push up the volume of the mic without noise? Jul 21 19:11:05 heh Jul 21 19:11:51 isn't it likely part of util-linux? Jul 21 19:11:55 I tried to create a file called "wifi" that lets me automatically connect to the strongest unprotected wifi Jul 21 19:11:57 or busybox Jul 21 19:12:08 and i placed it in root directory of freerunner Jul 21 19:12:08 Good job, zorkman Jul 21 19:12:14 DaveLab: nosir Jul 21 19:12:15 but when i try to run it it says Jul 21 19:12:19 heh Jul 21 19:12:22 root@om-gta02:~# wifi Jul 21 19:12:22 -sh: wifi: not found Jul 21 19:12:23 Yes, Zorkman? Jul 21 19:12:32 or rather, it might be, if the busybox config included it, which it doesn't seem to Jul 21 19:12:33 zorkman, are you executing it? Jul 21 19:12:37 ./wifi Jul 21 19:12:39 * Chocky laffs Jul 21 19:12:41 lollydays: try http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk (download it to the phone then "opkg install" it) Jul 21 19:12:44 PWD isn't in $PATH Jul 21 19:12:48 I figured out iptables... had to specify the out device on the masquerade line Jul 21 19:12:48 Chocky, now now, I think it's kind of cute :D Jul 21 19:12:57 Zorkman is just new to unix :) Jul 21 19:12:59 root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi Jul 21 19:12:59 -sh: ./wifi: not found Jul 21 19:13:04 * Chocky laffs more Jul 21 19:13:05 mmontour, nice thanks Jul 21 19:13:09 how does it work? Jul 21 19:13:17 Zorkman: do a `ls` Jul 21 19:13:23 see if it's there Jul 21 19:13:26 root@om-gta02:~# ls Jul 21 19:13:27 openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk Jul 21 19:13:27 orrery Jul 21 19:13:27 wifi Jul 21 19:13:30 furthermore make sure it is executable Jul 21 19:13:35 ls -l Jul 21 19:13:41 i did Jul 21 19:13:41 root@om-gta02:~# ls Jul 21 19:13:41 openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk Jul 21 19:13:41 orrery Jul 21 19:13:41 wifi Jul 21 19:13:43 How do I know if I have a defective GPS antenna? Jul 21 19:13:49 sorry i did chmod a+x wifi Jul 21 19:13:54 okay! Jul 21 19:13:56 Is there some visible sign? Jul 21 19:13:59 so then ./wifi should work! Jul 21 19:14:04 root@om-gta02:~# ls -l wifi Jul 21 19:14:05 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2077 Jul 21 21:09 wifi Jul 21 19:14:11 GoldenHawk: if you still can't make it work without SD card in Jul 21 19:14:17 good Jul 21 19:14:18 DaveLab: no it doesn't :( Jul 21 19:14:19 root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi Jul 21 19:14:19 -sh: ./wifi: not found Jul 21 19:14:21 It should! Jul 21 19:14:38 Chocky: It works sometimes.. rarely.. I give up after ten minutes usually. Jul 21 19:14:49 Zorkman, use tabcompletion and specify it's name Jul 21 19:14:51 Chocky: A couple times I saw it fix in a minute's time. Jul 21 19:14:57 perhaps you put a control character in the name or something strange Jul 21 19:15:05 do like ./w and then hit tab Jul 21 19:15:07 DaveLab what do you mean? Jul 21 19:15:09 Zorkman: That "not found" can mean that the command interpreter for the script can't be found. Check the first line of the script (e.g. "#!/bin/sh") Jul 21 19:15:15 DAveLab i already dit that Jul 21 19:15:29 GoldenHawk: did you try outside in a clean area and w/o SD card? Jul 21 19:15:30 oh heh, yeah Jul 21 19:15:36 shebang, baby! Jul 21 19:15:44 GoldenHawk: it doesn't work very well for me either Jul 21 19:15:49 I think I need to post to the list Jul 21 19:15:56 McKael: Yeah it tends to work when I do that. But it still takes five to ten minutes. Jul 21 19:16:05 McKael: Which is boring as hell. Jul 21 19:16:12 GoldenHawk: yeah I know :) Jul 21 19:16:19 DaveLab the first line is #!/bin/bash Jul 21 19:16:22 GH, are you referring to TTFF? Jul 21 19:16:30 DaveLab: Yes Jul 21 19:16:50 DaveLab: Grammar Nazi clue: it's = it is. its = pwnership. Jul 21 19:16:55 GoldenHawk: I drove for 1 hour yesterday, I got a fix once I was at the point of arrival, and on the top of the building. Jul 21 19:17:00 Zorkman, did you try: bash wifi Jul 21 19:17:14 But then, the fix lasted for the rest of the day Jul 21 19:17:25 DaveLab: theres no bash on the neo, is it? Jul 21 19:17:30 opkg install bash Jul 21 19:17:31 Yes there is Jul 21 19:17:33 ah Jul 21 19:17:41 I believe it is installed by default too Jul 21 19:17:47 s'not Jul 21 19:17:51 Though if not, he would surely have been made aware of it Jul 21 19:17:59 WELL the command I just told him will tell us :) Jul 21 19:18:02 heh Jul 21 19:18:08 Mckael: I guess the antenna is just weak inside this thing. I think I'll buy an external antenna and use it like a turkey baster to inject 'first fix' into the phone after a cold start :p Jul 21 19:18:08 bash Chocky Jul 21 19:18:15 :D Jul 21 19:18:26 Also, AGPS isn't helping much. Jul 21 19:18:36 bash not found Jul 21 19:18:41 I am making pizza tonight, want some homemade pizza and some good beer, Chocky? Jul 21 19:18:44 Zorkman, aha! Jul 21 19:18:52 Zorkman, so make it /bin/sh instead :) Jul 21 19:18:55 ok Jul 21 19:19:06 then try running it via: ./wifi :P Jul 21 19:19:07 Zorkman: Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/bash_3.2-r5_armv4t.ipk Jul 21 19:19:11 Zorkman: works for me Jul 21 19:19:12 it should work now Jul 21 19:19:18 Mckael, also that :P Jul 21 19:19:23 assuming his networking works :x Jul 21 19:19:31 oh Jul 21 19:19:33 Dave: yes, but I'm dubious about your making an honest offer ;-) Jul 21 19:19:34 DaveLab: good point Jul 21 19:19:36 Mckael otherwise we might be sending him into a wtfparadox :D Jul 21 19:19:49 i should work :p Jul 21 19:19:55 i get Jul 21 19:19:56 root@om-gta02:~# ./wifi eth0 Jul 21 19:19:56 sh: Quality=5: bad number Jul 21 19:19:58 besides, you're not in SD Jul 21 19:20:08 i'll try some more from here :) Jul 21 19:20:13 it's like, the manufacturers who ship your pc with no ethernet drivers, then tell you in the instruction manual to simply turn on your computer and download them! Jul 21 19:20:21 You want to seriously bash their heads in then :D Jul 21 19:20:24 whenever I try to up the mic2 values, i get a lot of noise. Anyone have a fix? Jul 21 19:20:38 use the wifi to download them :p Jul 21 19:20:45 or use a floppy. when there's no floppy drive Jul 21 19:20:47 you also don't have the drivers for them Jul 21 19:20:52 then you have to use a USB key Jul 21 19:20:53 there are no more floppy drives Jul 21 19:21:03 the usb requires a special usb2.0 driver which you don't have either Jul 21 19:21:04 or make a frekin' CDR Jul 21 19:21:09 EXACTLY Jul 21 19:21:12 with what? Jul 21 19:21:17 USB usually works though. _usually_ Jul 21 19:21:26 with your _other_ machine, of course. duh! Jul 21 19:21:27 presumably another computer which has an actve connection? Jul 21 19:21:54 then also your new pc can't extract the files from whatever non-standard compression format is used to archive them on their website Jul 21 19:21:57 :D Jul 21 19:22:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN_AUTO Jul 21 19:22:08 See, it's if anything, a royal fucking pain in the ass :) Jul 21 19:22:09 ok, now you're stretching things. Jul 21 19:22:17 Chocky, I can't make this shit up! Jul 21 19:22:23 you can, try harder Jul 21 19:22:26 All in all, fuck windows? :D Jul 21 19:22:36 go go gadget etch! Jul 21 19:22:38 I'm not sure I've ever seen Windows drivers in RAR format Jul 21 19:23:05 some use experimental 7zip formats Jul 21 19:23:12 or even one used lzma I believe Jul 21 19:23:15 ~_~ Jul 21 19:23:19 STOP DOING THAT! Jul 21 19:23:28 heh Jul 21 19:23:32 bastards :p Jul 21 19:24:00 anyhoo, where's a hardware person? I want to complain about this non-functional setup Jul 21 19:24:08 Dave: so please explain your motivation for offering beer+pizza Jul 21 19:24:12 * DaveLab throws usb dongles at joerg_rw Jul 21 19:24:20 * Chocky = Hardware Lead Jul 21 19:24:23 Chocky, go team debian freerunner? Jul 21 19:24:26 haha Jul 21 19:24:30 Pizza Lead, as well? :p Jul 21 19:24:31 er, yeah. TF! Jul 21 19:24:36 :D Jul 21 19:24:43 TPF! Jul 21 19:24:50 We should clearly have fancy jackets made, immediately. Jul 21 19:24:53 That or buttons. Jul 21 19:24:54 Team FreeRunner: World Pizza Jul 21 19:26:40 as it _happens_ there is beer and mini homemade pizza in the fridge outside my office. Jul 21 19:28:17 \o/ Jul 21 19:28:27 Is it yours, though? If not, will it soon be? >:) Jul 21 19:28:53 beer, fridge or pizza? I'm not sure it matters :o Jul 21 19:29:02 shit, I hope this test doesn't blow up or fry a freerunner :[ Jul 21 19:38:04 :| Jul 21 19:38:52 magic smoke escaped? Jul 21 19:40:08 * Chocky refurbishes returned customer unit. had a loose screw rattling around :o Jul 21 19:40:26 Dammit Jim, I'm a software engineer! Jul 21 19:48:33 :D Jul 21 19:48:55 DaveLab: FYI there is some recent activity on bug #1158 (charging stops even while connected). You might want to add a comment about your experiences with that problem. Jul 21 19:50:00 mmontour: oh cool, thanks yeah Jul 21 19:50:13 I also have another (related) bug about that to add Jul 21 19:50:22 remind me later, I'll comment on it -- thanks mmontour :) Jul 21 19:50:32 * Chocky tries for gtkterm karma Jul 21 19:50:32 Though at the moment, I'm struggling with a different issue Jul 21 19:50:46 apparently someone hackishly got this to work on the 1973 Jul 21 19:50:55 but clearly udev has been changed on the freerunner Jul 21 19:51:03 and I am not entirely sure how ;) Jul 21 19:51:32 np. Speaking of reminders, did you ever get a chance to post your working bluetooth-headset config to the wiki? Jul 21 19:51:51 Oh! Jul 21 19:51:55 No, I did not! :D Jul 21 19:52:06 I should do that, though I fear it may not work for everyone else's headset Jul 21 19:52:10 but I'll let them gripe about that :p Jul 21 19:52:52 DaveLab: at this point, if it works for at least 1 other person's headset it will be a big step forward Jul 21 19:53:04 hooray! Jul 21 19:53:07 Yes, so let us see :) Jul 21 19:53:58 uggh, I really wish we had [s]locate on the phone :) Jul 21 19:53:59 it's not a full moon any more, so you'll need to sacrafice something Jul 21 19:54:11 Chocky, not a problem, I got that covered ;) Jul 21 19:54:15 sweet Jul 21 19:54:26 it's like with SCSI, you terminate a virgin goat Jul 21 19:54:26 woo. my new T-mobile SIM works Jul 21 19:54:38 It's sadly simply to find java coders here who use emacs under kde Jul 21 19:54:48 carrar: whered ya go? Jul 21 19:54:49 I elect them to be among the first :P Jul 21 19:54:57 taking care of the fam? Jul 21 19:54:58 dlowe :D Jul 21 19:55:05 DaveLab: almost. I use that combination for JavaScript sometimes. Jul 21 19:55:19 * DaveLab shudders Jul 21 19:55:27 kd8ikt: can you guys talk over the radio? :P Jul 21 19:55:29 but I mostly use kdevelop Jul 21 19:55:35 is SMS stuff failing for anyone else? Doesn't seem to work here on AT&T. Jul 21 19:55:36 can't, rather Jul 21 19:55:41 what radio Jul 21 19:55:45 cjb, works fine for me on AT&T Jul 21 19:55:52 unfortunately so :P Jul 21 19:55:54 interesting Jul 21 19:55:59 So I get a bunch of stupid spam messages :D Jul 21 19:56:13 and I am surprised when my freerunner suddenly starts buzzing around the table Jul 21 19:56:27 fortunately it's rather weighty so it doesn't leave the furniture item it is usually placed on. Jul 21 19:56:48 ermm. Jul 21 19:56:55 sup? Jul 21 19:58:08 just makes a nice scratch in it? Jul 21 19:58:40 heh Jul 21 19:58:59 DaveLab: thanks for dongle-crap ;-) Jul 21 19:59:11 DaveLab: what's up? Jul 21 19:59:41 :D Jul 21 19:59:49 cjb: It isn't working for me, but it wasn't working on my previous phone either Jul 21 19:59:52 Mmm I just got multiplexing going. Warms the cackles. Jul 21 20:00:06 cjb: I think it's an account issue, but just letting you know Jul 21 20:00:07 Joerg, I am trying to get a USB hub to function with a Usb dongle device connected to it or first even just the dongle alone Jul 21 20:00:20 I switch the FR into usb host mode, but that didn't seem to do anything Jul 21 20:00:48 DaveLab: how did you switch it? Jul 21 20:00:50 Searching the web aimlessly provided a resource that one person had done this on the 1973 but, it was limited Jul 21 20:01:01 DaveLab: you have to care about logic hostmode *and* usb-powersupply Jul 21 20:01:13 ecraven, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode Jul 21 20:01:21 joerg, ah yes! Jul 21 20:01:26 DaveLab: also echo 1 > ../host_mode i believe Jul 21 20:01:28 that's one Jul 21 20:01:30 or maybe 5V? Jul 21 20:01:32 or 5? Jul 21 20:01:34 yeah Jul 21 20:01:38 joerg? :) Jul 21 20:01:39 that'S second Jul 21 20:01:44 oh OH Jul 21 20:02:11 Well okay I have a usb hub, I want to be able to power the freerunner (ideally), but also want the freerunner to be able to utilize the devices connected to the hub Jul 21 20:02:25 This scenario brings me back to your earlier talk about this very stuff on the hw mailing list :) Jul 21 20:02:32 so that's probably why I was pestering you :D Jul 21 20:02:40 skim hw-ml (i guess). andy posted a mini-howto on it (or was it support?) Jul 21 20:02:56 dlowe, how old was your previous SIM? Jul 21 20:03:07 yeah but I thought he ended up saying that without hardware modifications it wasn't really doable Jul 21 20:03:22 Would anything bad happen if I turned on USB power while it was plugged into another host? Jul 21 20:03:23 I mean, sure I can short the 5v on the usb hub, but beyond that... Jul 21 20:03:25 fspde: I got a new AT&T one, and it still didn't work Jul 21 20:03:37 I wouldn't want to open up the phone and start playing with the jtag connector :P Jul 21 20:03:39 umm there was just a mail on community saying how to get logical usb host mode with power intake Jul 21 20:03:40 so I just got a T-mobile To-Go plan Jul 21 20:03:41 DaveLab: so to power externaly, youu do `echo 0 > ...foo/host-foo` Jul 21 20:03:42 and your tmobile does? Jul 21 20:03:45 it's awkward without an external port :P Jul 21 20:03:51 alright :/ Jul 21 20:03:54 fspde: I think all of T-mobile's SIMs work Jul 21 20:03:58 what is foo/host-foo? :P Jul 21 20:04:18 same as */host* Jul 21 20:04:22 so you wouldn't say that fresh SIMs are working generally Jul 21 20:04:38 somewhere in /dev or /sys Jul 21 20:04:41 Where is that located? Jul 21 20:04:44 oy -_- Jul 21 20:04:57 the first SIM tmobile gave me worked without any problems Jul 21 20:05:02 fspde: depends which brand and if they follow the "standard" Jul 21 20:05:03 Actuallly.. I have two power questions for anyone here.. 1) If I got autofast charging working, and plugged it into a device that couldn't handle it, would it wreck the device? 2) If I turn on powered mode for the USB port, and plugged it into another host, would it cause a problem? Jul 21 20:05:05 and haven't been recalled :D Jul 21 20:05:08 :P Jul 21 20:05:13 search pipermail for Andy's post on it! Jul 21 20:05:23 for host mode with power intake, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022973.html Jul 21 20:05:33 :o Jul 21 20:05:34 so DaveLab, it's vodafone, and what is the "standard"? Jul 21 20:05:46 I have no idea, and I have no idea :) Jul 21 20:05:53 check out the wiki for the provider compat Jul 21 20:06:21 according to wiki it's 100% compatible, but in reality, it isn't Jul 21 20:06:31 fix0r teh wiki. Jul 21 20:06:50 Oh, and this is unrelated, but I have yet to determine who is the better comedian, from reading the mailing lists, Joerg or Andy :D Jul 21 20:06:58 Have any comments about that, Joerg? ;) Jul 21 20:07:00 ok i am making a usb cable for my new freerunner, so i can put emagic mt4 midi interface on it, and write some nice midi code. Jul 21 20:07:13 ... ... ... Jul 21 20:07:51 and yes, Joerg's Y cable concept is well know now :D Jul 21 20:07:58 I'm a mild authist, but all my friends are clowns ;-) Jul 21 20:08:05 heehee Jul 21 20:08:06 authist? Jul 21 20:08:14 enthusiast? Jul 21 20:08:52 * Chocky spots some Germanglish :o Jul 21 20:09:00 jOERG_rw: autistic ? Jul 21 20:09:14 nah, what's wrong with denglisch? Jul 21 20:09:31 don't know, but I'll beat you if you say "informations" :o Jul 21 20:09:32 German is for sissies, please speak the only true language (french) ! Jul 21 20:09:57 Latin Jul 21 20:09:59 heehee Jul 21 20:10:05 *shudder* Jul 21 20:10:05 boing boom tschuck! Jul 21 20:10:19 we are ze robots, doo doo doo doo Jul 21 20:10:30 ^^ not french Jul 21 20:10:46 Besides, bash is the one true language. Jul 21 20:10:50 torpor: I prefer "we are ze robots" than "ve ach ze robots" :-P Jul 21 20:11:08 ze are ze bobos Jul 21 20:11:23 you are ze bonobos Jul 21 20:11:31  Jul 21 20:11:31 But many french people can't speak english properly, that's a fact. Jul 21 20:11:55 yes, but what does this have to do with USB hacking? Jul 21 20:12:48 fspde: not providers are compatible, special types of sim-cards are *not* Jul 21 20:13:33 bonobos have fun all of the time ;-) Jul 21 20:13:46 yes, but much of it appears to be incest Jul 21 20:13:57 nevermind Jul 21 20:14:12 at least the bonobos :D Jul 21 20:14:33 jOERG_rw, got that. but how can the cards that are not compatible be identified? Jul 21 20:14:49 put them in Jul 21 20:14:53 and see if they do :o Jul 21 20:14:57 writing like "1V8" on it might help Jul 21 20:15:15 but isn't the whole story Jul 21 20:15:16 thanks Chocky :( in advance, i mean Jul 21 20:15:26 not completely understood yet Jul 21 20:15:49 * jOERG_rw bbl Jul 21 20:16:26 so that i can tell my provider: "please send me a card, that is capable of blabla" Jul 21 20:17:24 aw Jul 21 20:17:57 bah Jul 21 20:18:20 ecraven, have you done this yet? Jul 21 20:18:40 DaveLab: nope :) Jul 21 20:18:44 DaveLab: but there's something on the wiki Jul 21 20:18:45 right now I'm just looking to switch it to logical host mode, since I have a usb hub powering my device Jul 21 20:18:52 I didn't find anything -_- Jul 21 20:18:56 Any chance you know where it is? :) Jul 21 20:19:11 davelab, you mean this? 23:05 < mjr> for host mode with power intake, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022973.html Jul 21 20:19:26 mjr, I'm looking at that right now Jul 21 20:19:48 DaveLab: tststs :-/ Jul 21 20:20:03 DaveLab: RTFM ;-) Jul 21 20:20:12 so that SIM problem is an issue that is related to the calypso firmware and cannot be fixed by hacking the kernel, am i right? Jul 21 20:20:37 seems even related to calypso hw Jul 21 20:20:45 arrgh Jul 21 20:20:56 uncool! :) Jul 21 20:21:11 but as I told : "not completely understood yet" Jul 21 20:21:35 is there a significant difference between udhcpc and ifup? Jul 21 20:21:47 so is this being worked on by anybody? or have you given up Jul 21 20:21:51 joerg, okay okay sheesh Jul 21 20:22:01 Joerg sweet I got it to recognize the device Jul 21 20:22:19 but the freerunner is not charging (I left host/hostmode set to 0) Jul 21 20:22:38 fspde: investigation on this still going on Jul 21 20:22:52 DaveLab: arhs. sup? Jul 21 20:22:59 :o Jul 21 20:23:00 DaveLab: how can you tell? Jul 21 20:23:05 thanks jOERG_rw, let's me still hope, and sleep well this night Jul 21 20:23:09 joerg, tell that it recognized the device ? Jul 21 20:23:19 well lsusb shows the hub AND the dongle connected to it! Jul 21 20:23:29 DaveLab: charging! Jul 21 20:23:29 "let us me", heh Jul 21 20:23:32 so I'm guessing that setting usb_mode to host accomplished that Jul 21 20:23:53 joerg, well because I see no charging indications, that, and the battery level indicator just dropped :D Jul 21 20:23:57 the icon is worth little Jul 21 20:24:02 I know :P Jul 21 20:24:07 how could I check this? Jul 21 20:24:14 read apm Jul 21 20:24:23 coloumb counter Jul 21 20:24:25 :o Jul 21 20:24:28 Oh right Jul 21 20:24:32 your favorite friend! :] Jul 21 20:24:40 jOERG_rw: is it normal that i can not power down the bluetooth with 2007.2? i tried trough the console and with the gui on the freerunner Jul 21 20:25:00 does om2007.2 suspend? Jul 21 20:25:03 Zorkman: sw-issue Jul 21 20:25:09 ok, just asking Jul 21 20:25:39 anybody: is there a significant difference between udhcpc and ifup? Jul 21 20:25:53 yes Jul 21 20:25:54 Where is that located again? :) Jul 21 20:26:07 ifup runs one of the dhcp programs that is installed, if required Jul 21 20:26:26 how do you suspend the freerunner? Jul 21 20:26:27 Chocky: which one should i use in my bash file to auto connect to a wifi? Jul 21 20:26:36 ifup Jul 21 20:26:50 assuming that /etc/network/interfaces is set, etc Jul 21 20:27:39 so joerg, is /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/st Jul 21 20:27:40 Chocky: is there a command to check if there is already an interface set (eg, when i run the script i run ifup, but when i want to run the script again, i gott to first run ifdown) Jul 21 20:27:48 status, worth nothing? Jul 21 20:27:49 normally, yes Jul 21 20:27:52 it's a bit messed up Jul 21 20:27:56 Zorkman: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 Jul 21 20:28:32 oh wait, nevermind, I guess that -is- the guage for the counter! Jul 21 20:28:37 If I am reading this correctly :) Jul 21 20:28:56 jOERG_rw: that is about GPRS and AGPS, i want to use auto connect to wifi, the script is 99% done Jul 21 20:29:06 Joerg, the battery status there tells me that it is currently Discharging :) Jul 21 20:29:13 ah sorry, my error Jul 21 20:29:25 np, thanks anyway Jul 21 20:30:05 anyone? suspending in om2007? Jul 21 20:30:48 DaveLab: so you probably have to setup another few of those /sys and /dev files accordingly. Skim last three days of [kernel] and [support] for andy mails! it's all in there Jul 21 20:31:04 Okay :) Jul 21 20:31:12 dankje Jul 21 20:31:24 FanDaveulous Jul 21 20:31:52 If I provided an alternate gspd ipkg, would anyone be willing to run it and send me the log file? I'm trying to understand the format of +CTZV responses? Jul 21 20:33:50 is there a way to suspend the freerunner and then wake it up by pressing the power button? The normal power management just locks the screen Jul 21 20:34:16 why not pantsd_ Jul 21 20:34:28 Dragges: i though it was apm -s bu haven't tried it myself yet Jul 21 20:34:56 Zorkman, damn, so it's by command line Jul 21 20:34:57 Joerg, where can we send gifts and/or money as tokens of appreciation for all your help and good work? :) Jul 21 20:35:00 just give me a download location, and i'll try it tomorrow, if you like Jul 21 20:35:33 what information can I get from the touch-screen when someone pokes it? The region of poke, center, or what ? Jul 21 20:35:40 hey whats the best way to get wlan working fast on a brand new freerunner, 2007.2? Jul 21 20:35:45 DaveLab: LOL Jul 21 20:35:55 torpor: get into /etc/network/interfaces and set it up Jul 21 20:36:01 i don't wanna Jul 21 20:36:09 i just want a button on a python something or other Jul 21 20:36:10 then you wont go Jul 21 20:36:16 i know one of you has it. wlan.py Jul 21 20:36:20 gimme Jul 21 20:36:26 Joerg ;) Jul 21 20:36:28 I dont know of such a program Jul 21 20:36:46 fspde: yays! thanks :) Jul 21 20:36:51 wget http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/wlan.py Jul 21 20:36:54 torpor place it behind your back tire and put your car into 'R' Jul 21 20:36:57 no problemo :) Jul 21 20:37:10 dtx :D Jul 21 20:37:24 fspde: I'll upload it and msg you when I get home :) Jul 21 20:38:13 probably not for a few hours though, have to fix some bugs in my work code before that :P Jul 21 20:38:26 well i'll return in about 19 hours pantsd_ Jul 21 20:41:54 DaveLab: (gifts) I won't disclose my address. Afraid of more nasty gifts meant to address my pedecessors ;-) Jul 21 20:42:28 sweet mercy, wlan.py works nice. Jul 21 20:42:44 :-) Jul 21 20:42:48 have a good day/night everybody Jul 21 20:43:16 does anyone know what info I can get from the touch screen? Just x,y point and pressure? Jul 21 20:43:23 Is there a way to get the exact kernel version (git revision for example)? Jul 21 20:43:52 McKael: uname -a maybe ? Jul 21 20:44:02 Hydrant: no Jul 21 20:44:25 Hydrant: pressure very unclear. I'd say X Y Jul 21 20:44:27 Hydrant, it will only give me the date Jul 21 20:44:41 Hydrant: yes, only x, y, pressure Jul 21 20:44:48 I want to write a smarter keyboard Jul 21 20:44:57 balrog-kun: pressure???? Jul 21 20:44:59 wlan.py would be more nice if I could edit wpa_supplicant in it :-P Jul 21 20:45:00 anyone else here trolling the lists? :) Jul 21 20:45:01 is the pressure fairly accurate or inaccurage ? Jul 21 20:45:07 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows#USB_Ethernet_emulation Hmmm I can't get this to work. Any advice? Jul 21 20:45:19 jOERG_rw: yep Jul 21 20:45:39 jOERG_rw: oh, yeah, probably not very exact Jul 21 20:45:40 that's experimental and doesn't work very well AFAIK Jul 21 20:46:12 does anyone know where I can find the hardware specs for the touch screen ? I guess I can check the wiki... Jul 21 20:46:19 balrog-kun: after all it's "area" not exactly "pressure" Jul 21 20:46:40 jOERG_rw: jOERG_rw for tslib to work, the kernel needs to report three values, Jul 21 20:46:50 or sth liike "force" means area*pressure Jul 21 20:46:52 who wrote wlan.py? Jul 21 20:46:54 jOERG_rw: the hardware always supplies four: x, y, z1, and z2 Jul 21 20:47:20 so the driver i believe divides z2 / z1 - x or something like that and reports that, it's a standard thing for touchscreen drivers Jul 21 20:47:21 balrog-kun: what's these z* ? Jul 21 20:47:29 jOERG_rw: lemme look up Jul 21 20:47:38 you guys talking about accelerometer stuff? :) Jul 21 20:47:48 any links or info on the screen would be nice... I hate the keyboards and want to write my own Jul 21 20:47:51 hw oly reports two A/D values Jul 21 20:48:30 mmontour Jul 21 20:48:33 though you can apply kinky ways to setup meassuring voltage Jul 21 20:48:55 goddammit. is there a way to edit u-boot vars from within Linux? Jul 21 20:49:03 jOERG_rw: they're called "cross panel measurements" Jul 21 20:49:07 DaveLab: hi Jul 21 20:49:07 * Chocky only needs to change a '2' to a '1' Jul 21 20:49:14 lemme look up what the s3c2440 specifically reports though Jul 21 20:49:14 thus giving some kinda additional info about area the two planes are contacting each other Jul 21 20:49:23 Hydrant: I am also looking to write a finger keyboard replacement Jul 21 20:49:34 dtx: we should pair up then Jul 21 20:49:36 mmontour where was that thread about the discharge Jul 21 20:49:37 (cross panel) that's it. I meant with "kinky" Jul 21 20:49:48 I currently see one in support by RSears, was that it? Jul 21 20:49:51 dtx: this is the only thing that has reallky motivated me to write code for FR... since I hate the keyboards in qtopia so much Jul 21 20:49:56 Hydrant: have you seen the finger keyboard prototype on projects.openmoko.org Jul 21 20:49:58 oh man, super cool. Jul 21 20:50:02 <-- happy to have a freerunner. Jul 21 20:50:03 balrog-kun: I can tell: X and Y Jul 21 20:50:16 hmm Jul 21 20:50:17 dtx: nope Jul 21 20:50:20 Hydrant: I'm running GTK variant though Jul 21 20:50:22 :-P Jul 21 20:50:36 kinky Jul 21 20:50:37 But I suppose it could use either maybe Jul 21 20:50:54 jOERG_rw: oh, yes, you're right, the s3c24xx don't report anything beside X, Y Jul 21 20:50:55 balrog-kun: cross plane has to be done "by code" Jul 21 20:51:15 interesting Jul 21 20:51:35 jOERG_rw: all other touchscreen controllers that i've seen in devices with touchscreen report four values from the ADCs Jul 21 20:51:37 balrog-kun: is there any way to get more info, or is that all we have to work with ? Jul 21 20:51:41 I'm investigating this topic for ~5months now Jul 21 20:51:58 DaveLab: comments on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158 Jul 21 20:52:14 balrog-kun: why don't you just look at the driver code? Jul 21 20:52:19 its right there in the source. Jul 21 20:52:25 jOERG_rw: most drivers for the "four-wire touchscreens" even check that the pressure is above some given limit Jul 21 20:52:28 Hydrant: balrog-kun: cross plane has to be done "by code" Jul 21 20:52:31 torpor: that's where i looked Jul 21 20:52:37 and? Jul 21 20:52:41 it works .. or not? Jul 21 20:52:48 jOERG_rw: what do you mean by cross plane ? Jul 21 20:52:54 dtx: have you tried that project ? Jul 21 20:52:55 torpor: and s3c24xx reports only x and y from the hardware Jul 21 20:53:10 Huh. Suspend+resume corrupt my sdcard partition table Jul 21 20:53:11 Hydrant: that's what they call "pressure" Jul 21 20:53:33 jOERG_rw: how can that possibly be calcluated? Jul 21 20:53:35 Hydrant: thus giving some kinda additional info about area the two planes are contacting each other Jul 21 20:53:42 OSCON openmoko meetup in 1 hour (Portland, Oregon) http://twitter.com/donpdonp/statuses/864477745 Jul 21 20:53:53 balrog-kun: but s3c24xx is getting its details from .. Jul 21 20:54:24 torpor: s3c24xx is the hardware, we have no other source of information Jul 21 20:55:02 Hydrant: I tried it. I was thinking about making the input something described in HTML Jul 21 20:55:22 so it could be changed to whatever one wanted or hidden Jul 21 20:55:34 just using basic tables and links Jul 21 20:55:41 dtx: hrrm Jul 21 20:55:53 jOERG_rw: i worked previously with the Texas Instruments touchscreen controllers most of the time (TSC2xxx and ADS748x) and they always make four ADC conversions per sample, so i was used to seeing that Jul 21 20:56:14 jOERG_rw: and the specs give a very clear equation to calculate pressure Jul 21 20:56:21 balrog-kun: we're missing this in hw Jul 21 20:56:43 balrog-kun: that's probably for 8wire, not 4wire Jul 21 20:57:13 jOERG_rw: tsc2005 is the one in n800/n810, it's 4wire Jul 21 20:57:16 balrog-kun: we're missing the R to meassure resistence change of planes Jul 21 20:57:17 and in most Palm models Jul 21 20:57:21 Anyone compiled wireless drivers for arm yet? :D Jul 21 20:57:37 is signature check failed a good sign? I'm trying opkg update Jul 21 20:57:37 thanks montour Jul 21 20:57:57 balrog-kun: 8wire is a way to hook the r-ts up with some R in series to planes Jul 21 20:58:17 balrog-kun: so you can probe for resistence change Jul 21 20:58:29 mmontour that seems pretty vague Jul 21 20:58:41 jOERG_rw: but then there are eight physical wires between touchscreen and cpu, right? Jul 21 20:58:44 and I've experienced several variances of what seem to be that Jul 21 20:58:45 we have low-Z test voltage outputs, so we can't meassure :-/ Jul 21 20:58:55 Joerg could surely account or solve them, but hey, he's a busy man! Jul 21 20:58:56 nope Jul 21 20:59:09 and surely gets enough abuse from us ;) Jul 21 20:59:33 do any of the current keyboards use statistical information, or math to determine key presses better? Jul 21 20:59:42 DaveLab: don't be vvague, what's up?? Jul 21 21:00:01 for instance, if I type thougy it would be smarter to know that it should have been thought... and that unless the press was dead-on y it was most likely thought Jul 21 21:00:10 Hydrant: rasters predictive kb does Jul 21 21:00:11 jOERG_rw: this one sits in Palm Tungsten|E http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tsc2102.html Jul 21 21:00:16 Oh regarding ticket 1158, Andy recommended it be linked to hardware Jul 21 21:00:17 ... combining this with a dictionary lookup of words, we can do some nice stuff Jul 21 21:00:20 it says 4-wire in the specs Jul 21 21:00:25 it's clearly been identified as a bug which makes me happy Jul 21 21:00:33 jOERG_rw: the predictive kb in qtopia ? Jul 21 21:00:41 jOERG_rw: nseries and most nokia phones have a very similar one (tsc2005 or tsc2101) Jul 21 21:00:49 though I have experienced a few variances of this bug so I may post/link a reply to it in hardware or kernel Jul 21 21:00:55 woot Jul 21 21:00:57 Hydrant: guess so Jul 21 21:01:08 * Chocky finally invoked correct runes for u-boot + Debian + ext3 after about 6 tries Jul 21 21:01:10 k Jul 21 21:01:18 had to type it exactly, since cut and paste seems all messed up Jul 21 21:01:20 I also have a frequent issue where whether it be a wall or pc powered usb connection to the freerunner, I always have to plug it in "twice" for it to work Jul 21 21:01:32 * Chocky in Debian karma Jul 21 21:01:36 balrog-kun: you may use 4wire as a 8wire. just need the Rs. we dont have Jul 21 21:01:48 jOERG_rw: i see Jul 21 21:01:56 that is the first time it flashes the usb indicator and then never charges or and the pc linux confirms this is the case, but when simply reconnected again, it works fine, and begins charging. Jul 21 21:02:06 * Chocky h5s Dave Jul 21 21:02:06 jOERG_rw: their specs don't mention 8-wire anywhere though :-P Jul 21 21:02:09 I have learned to live with it, but it also seems related Jul 21 21:02:29 DaveLab: update u-boot! Jul 21 21:02:47 One other bug I experience that I believe mmontour has heard me utter, is either the same one on ticket #1158 where after fully charging on a pc usb connection, it begins discharging, until it shuts off Jul 21 21:02:49 DaveLab: wait for fix in rootfs Jul 21 21:03:13 another issue is when connected to the ac usb connector for "too long" the freerunner always shuts off Jul 21 21:03:21 and I wake up and it's shut off and noticibly hot Jul 21 21:03:31 I figure the internal battery temp tripped Jul 21 21:03:32 :\ Jul 21 21:03:44 * balrog-kun remembers using his Palm Tungsten|E for a scales Jul 21 21:03:51 balrog-kun, jOERG_rw thanks for the help... I'll see what I can do to get a nice smart keyboard Jul 21 21:04:01 waaah that's not nice :-( Jul 21 21:04:18 joerg, what, that charging issue? Jul 21 21:04:27 you would put the pda flat on the desk and put a (not too heavy) thing on the touchscreen and linux would then convert that to grams Jul 21 21:04:32 yep, hot bat Jul 21 21:04:35 yeah, it certainly isn't nice at all :( Jul 21 21:04:47 but I have confirmed this on 3 freerunners Jul 21 21:05:00 sometimes i get an error running "iwlist eth0 scanning" saying "eth0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable" only reboot fixes this, anyone any tips? Jul 21 21:05:00 so I'm guessing it's not just my one defective one or something :P Jul 21 21:05:19 Hey whoever is doing WIFI support in python might want to consider adding it to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI Jul 21 21:05:36 Zorkman: me too Jul 21 21:05:47 joerg, it's difficult for me to get info about that one though because I cannot read the temp directly so I can't exactly dump data before it shuts off, at least that's my guess! Jul 21 21:05:56 DaveLab: I'll think about a script to closely scrutineze charging and create a log to study later on Jul 21 21:05:58 it tends to happen while I'm asleep, so I'm not exactly sure :P Jul 21 21:06:04 dtx: I'd rather work on something that can go into the base 2007.2 image Jul 21 21:06:05 joerg, okay, thanks! Jul 21 21:06:06 does someone have a better tutorial for connecting the Neo to the internet under Windows? Jul 21 21:06:07 which means doing it in C Jul 21 21:06:08 cjp: i have a script to auto connect and it works one time, but when i try again i alway get this error Jul 21 21:06:26 Blallien: you can use VMware... Jul 21 21:06:30 DaveLab: read temp isn't that hard. bat will tell Jul 21 21:06:38 IIRC Jul 21 21:06:53 joerg, my understanding was that you couldn't read from the battery's internal sensory :p Jul 21 21:07:02 that it was enclosed and unable to interface? Jul 21 21:07:03 anyone else has seen the error "eth0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable" ne any tips? ? Jul 21 21:07:24 Zorkman: I forgot about that... Jul 21 21:07:26 XD Jul 21 21:07:57 DaveLab: have a look at coloumb, there it shpuld shine up somewhere IIRC Jul 21 21:08:11 hmmm, okay Jul 21 21:08:17 joerg, what is that device again btw? :P Jul 21 21:08:25 cjb: i found a fix Jul 21 21:08:34 DaveLab: don't ask me sw-iissues ;-) Jul 21 21:08:38 cjb: type iwlist retry Jul 21 21:08:42 afterwards it works again Jul 21 21:08:53 hehe Jul 21 21:08:55 DaveLab: not even kernel ones Jul 21 21:09:10 okay ;) Jul 21 21:09:11 cjb: iwlist eth0 retry i emean Jul 21 21:09:18 again: skim lists for Andy's posts Jul 21 21:09:18 fair enough :p Jul 21 21:09:23 I am!:F Jul 21 21:09:24 :D Jul 21 21:09:27 cjb: might I suggest python prototype to get things going? Jul 21 21:09:43 Though I still haven't found that usb one we were discussing earlier :| Jul 21 21:09:49 I may just ask him directly Jul 21 21:09:56 s/ask/confront/ Jul 21 21:09:56 DaveLab meant: I may just confront him directly Jul 21 21:10:01 >:) Jul 21 21:10:22 apt: shut up! Jul 21 21:10:22 get lost, jerkoff Jul 21 21:10:30 haha Jul 21 21:10:33 :P Jul 21 21:10:37 naughty bot Jul 21 21:10:44 apt: loser Jul 21 21:10:45 somebody said loser was Al Gore Jul 21 21:10:50 dtx: if python's allowed, just install wifi-radar Jul 21 21:10:50 oh snap Jul 21 21:10:51 apt: looser than a loser Jul 21 21:11:04 meanwhile I'm ponding how grusome it might be to cross-compile drivers Jul 21 21:11:06 let's find out :D Jul 21 21:11:36 cjb: makes sense :-P Jul 21 21:12:50 * GoldenHawk aws when he realizes the e-mail stuff is just a placeholder Jul 21 21:13:19 Well that's it. I'm sending it back. Jul 21 21:13:22 j/k :p Jul 21 21:14:17 man I wish there was a standard scripting language chosen Jul 21 21:14:22 I would have even settled with Perl Jul 21 21:14:44 Just for basic inteface needs Jul 21 21:14:55 sh is pretty standard. Jul 21 21:15:13 yikes Jul 21 21:15:15 too basic Jul 21 21:15:16 :-P Jul 21 21:15:25 that and sh in this case is busybox Jul 21 21:15:31 Thus illustrating why having an overarching standard is a bad idea :p Jul 21 21:15:53 All these different languages seem to be someone's answer to being tired of sh :p Jul 21 21:16:09 DaveLab: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=297 Jul 21 21:16:17 Who knows.. maybe one day, one of the will have the honor of being the annoynig obsolete standard everyone is trying to break out of :p Jul 21 21:16:28 one of them Jul 21 21:16:39 yeah, but there are obviously a few that stick out Python, Perl, Fortran ;-) Jul 21 21:16:49 Heh, fortran ^.^ Yeah go for that one :p Jul 21 21:18:22 This phone is so cool.. I'm fantasizing a bit about carrying around a tri-corder :p Jul 21 21:18:28 When I go out with the GPS. Jul 21 21:18:47 hm, how to calibrate touch screen in debian? :o Jul 21 21:19:14 GoldenHawk: microfocus fortran/cobol? LOL Jul 21 21:19:29 Ah debian. Hey, how does booting from sd work? Do you boot from the SD card device, or from a file on it? Jul 21 21:19:57 the question doesn't quite make sense. the kernel and FS are both on MMC Jul 21 21:20:07 u-boot can pick them up, but you need lots of runes Jul 21 21:20:30 Well I'll try to ask questions that make sense next time ^.^ Jul 21 21:20:33 *goes to read the docs* Jul 21 21:20:34 good Jul 21 21:20:48 the wiki isn't 100% clear on all this, because u-boot and such has been changing Jul 21 21:20:56 * jOERG_rw away Jul 21 21:20:58 took me a lot of tries Jul 21 21:21:45 my neo is showing constantly the same information after running opkg upgrade is this normal? Jul 21 21:21:56 no Jul 21 21:22:08 but what is "the same information"? Jul 21 21:22:24 Is pywebkitgtk packaged already? Jul 21 21:23:09 in the repos I mean Jul 21 21:23:15 Chocky: PCF50633_irq; entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d34c00): etc.... Jul 21 21:23:31 what does that have to do with opkg? Jul 21 21:23:54 it shows that after running opkg update like i said before Jul 21 21:24:06 Chocky: would be nice to have a wiki page that shows how to install debian ;-) Jul 21 21:24:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r036dbe7bcee3 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Jul 21 21:24:09 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: make sure SimReady() and AuthStatus() signals are sent whenever the status can change. Jul 21 21:24:09 freesmartphone.org: NB: Fix channel initialization from copy'n'paste error. Jul 21 21:24:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0bd25ba66699 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendStoredMessage(i:index) -> () Jul 21 21:24:24 thewtex_: exists, but it's far from clear :p Jul 21 21:24:35 nice Jul 21 21:25:06 like much of the wiki, it's a jumble of unordered, grammatically bad and out of date information Jul 21 21:25:09 :-( Jul 21 21:25:12 Chocky: see [kernel] subject: Re: [PATCH] fix-data-abort / Ext3 boot OK on U-Boot Jul 21 21:25:32 jOERG_rw: I already have the latest u-boot, so that's not an issue for me. Jul 21 21:25:50 the main problem is that it's near unusable over serial Jul 21 21:25:58 Chocky: that's about boot from SD Jul 21 21:26:03 * Chocky knows Jul 21 21:26:20 Chocky: please fix the wiki Jul 21 21:26:30 ROFL Jul 21 21:26:37 no, I just tell others what to do. Jul 21 21:26:48 So it tells me it's charging at 500mA but the phone status states that it is Discharging Jul 21 21:26:53 I have made a number of small fixes, but I don Jul 21 21:26:59 don't have time for an all out session yet. Jul 21 21:27:26 not saying the whole thing, but the debian part Jul 21 21:27:48 yes, that's all I'm talking about too :o Jul 21 21:28:17 in any case, it's really a PITA without u-boot being so hard to use over serial Jul 21 21:28:25 I had to type in a 60 character command perfectly Jul 21 21:28:35 a lot of the problem with the wiki is redunantcy, but I have tried to fix some of that Jul 21 21:30:02 mmm... pita Jul 21 21:30:06 lpotter: ping Jul 21 21:30:09 pizza on pita Jul 21 21:30:13 mmm :D Jul 21 21:30:23 Chocky, I actually have prepped pizza dough, though :) Jul 21 21:30:27 woot. Jul 21 21:30:34 and I baked the dough alreadey Jul 21 21:30:38 heroic! Jul 21 21:30:40 I have two pizzas soon to be ready :D Jul 21 21:30:57 So when I get home that's the first thing I am doing :D Jul 21 21:31:03 * Chocky upgrades a kazillion Debian packages. slowly. Jul 21 21:31:10 THEN I SHALL DEVOUR THEM! Jul 21 21:31:23 * DaveLab salivates grotesquely Jul 21 21:31:27 and then more! and more! and then the world! Jul 21 21:31:38 devour world? Jul 21 21:31:43 sounds like a gentoo spinoff :p Jul 21 21:31:54 no, that's just sick. Jul 21 21:31:55 ln -ns devour emerge ;) Jul 21 21:31:58 haha :P Jul 21 21:32:02 yeah, fucking ricers ;) Jul 21 21:32:06 * Chocky laffs Jul 21 21:32:08 DaveLab: lol Jul 21 21:32:20 That's still something like the best website that ever was *giggles* :) Jul 21 21:32:24 besides, sounds like Lexx Jul 21 21:32:30 where he does in fact, eat many worlds Jul 21 21:32:33 what, funroll-loops? Jul 21 21:32:53 I worship his shadow Jul 21 21:32:56 http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ Jul 21 21:32:56 :D Jul 21 21:32:59 yeah Jul 21 21:33:15 (yeah, i actually have that archive bookmarked ;D ) Jul 21 21:33:17 Fortunately I locally mirrored the site before it went offline several years ago, sadly. Jul 21 21:33:25 :D Jul 21 21:33:33 * bagpuss_thecat wonders why http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems doesn't appear in the results when you search the wiki for "GPS" Jul 21 21:33:35 So all my friends can still enjoy it :D Jul 21 21:34:12 hooray for archive.org Jul 21 21:34:14 Leinir that sucks, because it doesn't have the pictures or anything :P Jul 21 21:34:25 does too Jul 21 21:34:27 does the latest kernel image have the GPS/SD patch? Jul 21 21:34:28 which was at least one quarter to one half the amusement. Jul 21 21:34:30 :D Jul 21 21:34:31 Sure it does! :) Jul 21 21:34:33 * DaveLab high-fives Chocky Jul 21 21:34:40 Does here anyway ;) Jul 21 21:34:49 oh I see Jul 21 21:34:50 bagpuss_thecat: probably because three-lettter-search isn't fixed yet Jul 21 21:34:53 it's just fucked up formatting :D Jul 21 21:34:55 thanks Jul 21 21:35:06 underline _everything_ Jul 21 21:35:37 Elleo: yep Jul 21 21:35:39 Joerg, I am still unsure where to send money/gifts :) Jul 21 21:35:50 jOERG_rw: aah, fairy nuff Jul 21 21:36:07 jOERG_rw: thanks; thought it must do, since I got a fix inside my house just now :) Jul 21 21:36:10 DaveLab: I'm still uncertain what to do with tose ticking packages ;-) Jul 21 21:36:31 Any idea when stuff is shipping? Jul 21 21:36:52 Oh and the kernel microsd patch did nothing for me (but it works without an sd card), so I will let you know if the recent glamo drive modifications work, once I go outside :) Jul 21 21:37:01 joerg, hehe Jul 21 21:37:03 Order date: Jul 21 21:37:03 Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:23 AM Jul 21 21:37:05 Elleo: yeah!!! gimme more of that! Jul 21 21:37:20 haha Jul 21 21:37:37 even my old sirf 3 gps unit doesn't get fixes in the house Jul 21 21:37:41 so I'm pretty impressed :) Jul 21 21:37:48 I'm curious to know if OpenMoko can provide a date or some indication of when units with the capacitor fix will be shipped from Jul 21 21:37:49 Fuck Jul 21 21:37:58 I found another power related, or charging bug :( Jul 21 21:38:08 "We're still working on it" is another answer :-) Jul 21 21:38:16 "dunno" Jul 21 21:38:27 or "as soon as you fix it youself" Jul 21 21:38:32 ;D Jul 21 21:38:37 bagpuss_thecat: we're fixing in may ways ;-) Jul 21 21:38:44 so does anyone know if 2007.2 has pywebkitgtk in its repos? Jul 21 21:39:00 honestly, probably you won't care about it, once sw fix is ready Jul 21 21:39:10 true enough Jul 21 21:39:21 I could also drive to SpeedEvils :-p Jul 21 21:39:31 s'like 45 minutes that way -> Jul 21 21:40:19 :p Jul 21 21:40:22 Elleo: go on, reort on it, at [community] theres a long thread, we're all pleased to hear it works Jul 21 21:40:26 he'll solder you up, real nice :p Jul 21 21:40:31 anyone have a recent (as in newer than 22) version of emacs built in OE? Jul 21 21:40:32 ^ 6 hours thataway Jul 21 21:40:48 joerg, I fear sometime soon you won't be so pleased after I start posting all my power issues on the mailing list ;) Jul 21 21:40:54 jOERG_rw: okay :) Jul 21 21:41:05 Dave: don't worry, it'll be lost in the noise Jul 21 21:41:13 DaveLab: nah, I din't mind Jul 21 21:41:24 Okay :) Jul 21 21:42:10 we're looking into every bug-report. we need input to find the story behind issues. so go ahead, post it Jul 21 21:43:04 how's the openmoko OS coming? is a non-SuperGenius usable phone within reach? :D Jul 21 21:43:50 or is it still quite a swamp? Jul 21 21:44:06 jeffszusz: nope we will *never* make FR availably to anybody who's not a super-genius ;-) Jul 21 21:44:08 I keep mentioning a cesspit Jul 21 21:44:20 :P Jul 21 21:45:07 honestly, no date yet Jul 21 21:45:12 Heil Joerg! Jul 21 21:45:24 you should just start giving a random date Jul 21 21:45:29 "February 7" Jul 21 21:45:30 1/1/1 Jul 21 21:45:37 LOL Jul 21 21:45:41 not looking for a date, there never is one in the OSS industry... i'm looking for a span of time within the next year and a half ish :P Jul 21 21:45:55 01/01/19109 Jul 21 21:46:06 :-D Jul 21 21:46:08 excellent, i'll mark that in my calendar Chocky XD Jul 21 21:46:14 hehe Jul 21 21:46:22 well, if the joke weren't already old, i'd be posting unix epoc stamps Jul 21 21:46:30 i wonder if they will still have iCal in another 17000 years Jul 21 21:46:42 linters. Jul 21 21:47:06 seemingly FSO is where the stability/usability is coming Jul 21 21:47:12 I wonder if I'd give a shit in 17000 years Jul 21 21:47:15 :-P Jul 21 21:47:15 jeffszusz: sure, only its quantum stored by then Jul 21 21:47:18 as to when that will be ... well, it's at milestone 1 now Jul 21 21:48:10 we finally got the iPhone in canada and it's taunting me Jul 21 21:48:24 jeffszusz, don't do it ! Jul 21 21:48:26 Chocky: are you using an SDHC card? in the wiki debian page they say the put the rootfs on a SDHC, but I tried that the other day and it didn't -- and it says it shouldn't work in the 'Booting from SD' page ... Jul 21 21:48:26 I think I need to learn German now, to continue development with the freeunner :P Jul 21 21:48:30 although their "you have to buy apps at the app store or else!" policy pisses me off Jul 21 21:48:44 regular SD. As I say, it's all outta date. Jul 21 21:48:46 i'm told the 3g versions has issues Jul 21 21:49:13 it's ability to switch between 2.5g and 3g is apparently ... crappy as all hell Jul 21 21:49:19 err, its Jul 21 21:49:23 all the iphones have issues...mainly the fact that unlocking them causes the legitimate features to break... but they sure are pretty Jul 21 21:49:48 Dave: repeat after me "Mein Kampf" Jul 21 21:49:52 yeah, the hardware acceleration that allows a really fluid and pretty UI is indeed nice Jul 21 21:49:55 Joerg, for that neat openmoko-battery-panel2 app, do I have to cross-compile it for the phone? :) Jul 21 21:49:57 thewtex: SDHC should be OK on Freerunner. Neo1973 u-boot can't access SDHC yet. Jul 21 21:50:05 ah friend just told me that his freerunner has a battery life of 2 hours - can someone confirm this? - i thought i read about 12 hours with wlan :> Jul 21 21:50:16 someone invoke SpeedBot Jul 21 21:50:19 DaveLab: think it's ppythhon Jul 21 21:50:28 is that like p-p-p-powerbook? Jul 21 21:50:33 Chocky: halt den mund, oder ich kampfe mit dir Jul 21 21:50:37 nahhh mmyy keyybooraard suuucckks Jul 21 21:50:38 uh huh. Jul 21 21:50:41 :P Jul 21 21:50:41 neldoreth: battery life is a work in progress. Jul 21 21:51:03 *under his breath* i think everything is a work in progress... Jul 21 21:51:06 neldoreth: the power managment software has a _long_ way to go. But 2 hours seems a bit pessimitic. Jul 21 21:51:22 SpeedEvil yeah i know - but i thought it improved rigorous Jul 21 21:51:26 mmontour: hmm, maybe I will try again with the SDHC, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't, of course I still have the stock freerunner u-boot Jul 21 21:51:39 joerg, nah the python app was something different Jul 21 21:51:50 I think, anyway! Jul 21 21:51:59 You tell me, I can't read it very well ;) Jul 21 21:52:27 SpeedEvil can you give me a realistic battery life time? what i can expect? i think its just a software problem, so we can expect more in future Jul 21 21:52:29 thewtex: I recommend that you wait a few days for a new build of u-boot to come out, and for someone to de-cruft the "Booting from SD" wiki page. Jul 21 21:52:56 I might roll an updated Debian filesystem if you're lucky Jul 21 21:52:59 mmontour: ok Jul 21 21:53:59 neldoreth: it depends what you have on (gps, wifi, backlight constantly in use) ... i'd say 4-12, with a realistic average being closer to 6 Jul 21 21:54:05 neldoreth: in the future. Jul 21 21:54:42 neldoreth: somwhere around a week standby, 5-6 hours talk-time or PDA, 20 hours MP3 (one of the previous, not all) Jul 21 21:55:11 neldoreth: these seem to be a bit pessimistic, based on numbers that are available. But we're not really close to there yet. Jul 21 21:55:34 Can the Freerunner obtain a GPS signal without cellular connection? In other words, does it have dedicated GPS? Jul 21 21:55:39 I need more coulombs! Jul 21 21:55:42 lymeca: yes Jul 21 21:55:47 lysanderslair: yes Jul 21 21:55:53 lymeca: in fact, having cell reception won't help it at the moment Jul 21 21:55:57 ieatlint: It doesn't need an external connection antenna though? Jul 21 21:56:05 lymeca: no antenna needed Jul 21 21:56:11 ieatlint - yeah thats for sure - and with standyby / gsm not more? 12 hours? - SpeedEvil this numbers should we have in the future right? Jul 21 21:56:35 That sounds great. Is the TangoGPS feature built-in? Does that require cellular reception? I imagine it would, because as I understand it that's an Internet service. Jul 21 21:56:55 SpeedEvil: isn't 20 huors MP3 a bit optimistic? using something like 40% CPU for decoding? Jul 21 21:57:11 No - tangogps requires an internet connection, or predownloading tiles. Jul 21 21:57:12 neldoreth: standby is completely unreliable at the moment (often won't come back up, or you'll miss calls when in it) Jul 21 21:57:14 iugo: not really Jul 21 21:57:26 igor321: MP3 takes about 50MHz on the GTA01 to decode Jul 21 21:57:38 igor321: so it can clock down quite far. Jul 21 21:57:49 SpeedEvil: nice ;) Jul 21 21:58:09 SpeedEvil: So you need to be on Wifi specifically for TangoGPS to work on the fly? There's no way to use GSM to obtain such data? Jul 21 21:58:30 lymeca: no, you can use GSM Jul 21 21:58:43 lymeca: but this is downloading data - not for getting a position. Jul 21 21:58:47 ok thanks for the info Jul 21 21:59:04 So getting position is separate from both GSM and Wifi, because of the dedicated GPS Jul 21 21:59:09 lymeca: yes Jul 21 21:59:24 Whereas getting tle data from TangoGPS will either be done via GSM (slow) or Wifi (faster) Jul 21 21:59:38 lymeca: you just won't have any map data if you wander over the edge of the downloaded maps with no internet conenction of some sort. Jul 21 22:00:07 SpeedEvil: do you work for OM? Jul 21 22:00:15 SpeedEvil: But can you manually download the data of specific tiles before entering them if you know you won't have a GSM signal? Jul 21 22:00:20 igor321: no Jul 21 22:00:26 lymeca: yes Jul 21 22:00:43 Is tangoGPS built-in to OpenMoko's default software stack? Jul 21 22:00:47 lymeca: no Jul 21 22:00:48 no Jul 21 22:00:53 you do opkg install tangogps to get it. Jul 21 22:01:06 Okay, are the packages installed on the SD card? Jul 21 22:01:10 SpeedEvil: you should Jul 21 22:01:15 lymeca: you can Jul 21 22:01:27 Does the Freerunner support SDHC cards? Jul 21 22:01:32 lymeca: yes Jul 21 22:01:39 lymeca: up to 8G has been tested. Jul 21 22:01:44 So what, max of 8GB or 16GB? Jul 21 22:01:47 Oh okay Jul 21 22:01:54 32 - but nobody makes those Jul 21 22:02:02 32 is the limit of the SDHC spec. Jul 21 22:02:09 SpeedEvil: Okay cool. My last GPS-related question is about toptographic map data. Jul 21 22:02:23 I believe that TangoGPS is just street data Jul 21 22:02:28 just connect it to an external hdd Jul 21 22:02:29 :p Jul 21 22:02:30 However, it's vastly likely that the hardware will support larger than 32. Jul 21 22:02:36 or better yet, NAS Jul 21 22:02:39 lymeca: look on tangogps page again Jul 21 22:02:40 :) Jul 21 22:02:51 lymeca: there is a how to download US topographic maps Jul 21 22:03:02 IIRC Jul 21 22:03:03 Speedevil, do you play with it much? Jul 21 22:03:10 DaveLab: what? Jul 21 22:03:12 jesus this thing seems too good to be true Jul 21 22:03:17 I am still wondering if anyone has gotten maps-for-free to work correctly with tango Jul 21 22:03:33 lymeca, what, tango? it's pretty sweet, until you locate all it's failures Jul 21 22:03:34 :) Jul 21 22:03:35 Dave: depends what you mean by "to work" Jul 21 22:03:35 lymeca: not really - it's barely a functional phone at the moment, which makes it a bit less cool. Jul 21 22:03:37 DaveLab: yes Jul 21 22:03:42 DaveLab: And added to them. Jul 21 22:03:48 :O Jul 21 22:03:54 DaveLab: though not with the FR, with the neo. Jul 21 22:03:57 Do you have the repo info? Jul 21 22:04:00 it shouldn't matter Jul 21 22:04:02 when I reinstalled the image, I wasn't sure how to make it redownload the maps Jul 21 22:04:07 By barely functional phone you mean, what, it crashed or drops calls or what? Jul 21 22:04:07 DaveLab: repo info? Jul 21 22:04:10 yeah Jul 21 22:04:12 lymeca: yes Jul 21 22:04:15 DaveLab: repo info? Jul 21 22:04:26 the repository information for it Jul 21 22:04:31 DaveLab: for what Jul 21 22:04:32 Unless you weren't answering yes to that :) Jul 21 22:04:39 the maps-for-free repo -_- Jul 21 22:04:46 openstreetmap.org Jul 21 22:04:46 SpeedEvil: Can the Freerunner run an SIP application? Have you tested it with SIP? Jul 21 22:05:03 lymeca: no - I haven't. Jul 21 22:05:05 I'll ask again another time :P Jul 21 22:05:25 Dave: I'm sorry, I think we're talking at cross purposes. Jul 21 22:05:36 "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that" Jul 21 22:05:41 DaveLab: what are you expecting at this repo? Jul 21 22:05:43 I'd be very interested in the capability of VoIP using OpenMoko, especially if the SIP application had built-in ZRTP encryption (like Twinkle) Jul 21 22:05:44 lymeca, obviously, it can Jul 21 22:05:50 Speedevil you can add repos Jul 21 22:05:52 in tango Jul 21 22:06:00 the site mentions OA and MFF Jul 21 22:06:01 lymeca: if it's Linux, it can probably run on FR Jul 21 22:06:07 that they can be "simply added" Jul 21 22:06:08 lymeca, there's been talk of twinkle on the community list I think, zrtp was mentioned. I have also tried to plug it due to that capability. Jul 21 22:06:10 which is incorrect Jul 21 22:06:15 at least when I did it on a couple phones Jul 21 22:06:18 DaveLab: ah - you mean sourced for map tiles. Jul 21 22:06:24 yes Jul 21 22:06:28 anyone having trouble compiling "exposure" for the qtopia-x11-dev image? Jul 21 22:06:34 mff has neat relief maps which I wanted on the phone Jul 21 22:06:38 DaveLab: look on the tangogps page Jul 21 22:06:40 since the openaerial ones sucked Jul 21 22:06:41 I did Jul 21 22:06:46 It lacks that specificity Jul 21 22:07:01 Dave: rectifying maps between coordinate systems can be nasty. Jul 21 22:07:03 since it assumes you can "simply enter them" Jul 21 22:07:07 mjr: Wow that would be incredible. Mobile ZRTP... would GSM signals have enough bandwidth to support such a VoIP call over SIP? Or would you need to use Wifi? Jul 21 22:07:09 no kidding Jul 21 22:07:15 :[ Jul 21 22:07:25 lymeca: not really - up to 2s delay Jul 21 22:07:29 SIP is only 100Kbit, so I imagine so Jul 21 22:07:33 lymeca: not really, latency is much to high.. gprs wouldn't be able to carry a voip call Jul 21 22:07:38 Chocky: Jul 21 22:07:41 and when I "simply add" mff to the repos list it crashes tango every time ;) Jul 21 22:07:42 too :p Jul 21 22:07:43 lymeca, gprs has nasty lag and quality of service (or lack thereof). You'd want CSD, which costs, or wifi Jul 21 22:07:45 Chocky: GPRS is only 56K/s or so Jul 21 22:07:47 I thought I'd submit it as a bug :p Jul 21 22:07:50 humpfh. Jul 21 22:07:54 telt. Jul 21 22:08:03 CSD? Jul 21 22:08:03 food. Jul 21 22:08:10 DaveLab: and you're sure that those maps actually permit user-downloading? Jul 21 22:08:16 absolutely Jul 21 22:08:16 edistar, circuit switched data, that is, "a data call" Jul 21 22:08:16 * Chocky pats CDMA Jul 21 22:08:22 speedevil, they even provide an api Jul 21 22:08:24 :P Jul 21 22:08:28 you get 9k6 (or perhaps 14k4) _but_ that's guaranteed and with lesser lag Jul 21 22:08:30 mjr: ah, not used much I guess? Jul 21 22:08:35 and it says so on the tango site :P Jul 21 22:08:39 Does anyone know how I can create an icon on the ASU "desktop" so I can launch an application? Jul 21 22:08:41 doesn't everybody read? Jul 21 22:08:48 DaveLab: no Jul 21 22:08:52 tc: .desktop file Jul 21 22:09:01 edistar, not really much, no, though some commercial cryptophones use that Jul 21 22:09:13 edistar: No wonder find didn't help me, thanks :) Jul 21 22:09:22 oh shit, one second while I check if I destroyed a freerunner or not Jul 21 22:09:29 aw. Jul 21 22:09:31 Someone should post a link to the IRC logs of this channel Jul 21 22:09:40 on the wiki Jul 21 22:09:48 assuming they exist Jul 21 22:09:51 dtx its there Jul 21 22:09:53 ' Jul 21 22:09:58 oh Jul 21 22:10:02 for how long does ASU check the sd card? it's been going on for about 1h now.. Jul 21 22:10:02 well no excuse then Jul 21 22:10:03 :-P Jul 21 22:10:04 mjr: I hadn't heard of GPRS vs. CSD before (I don't have a phone because of freedom issues so I'm not up on cellular technology), but wikipedia says CSD is only 9.6kb/s whereas GPRS is much FASTER at 56 - 114 kb/s? Jul 21 22:10:13 qpe swallowing the cpu Jul 21 22:10:32 om nom nom nom! Jul 21 22:10:39 lymeca: yes - but GPRS is also 56K/s only on the FR, and CSD is expensive. Jul 21 22:10:42 angry Canadian! Jul 21 22:10:47 lymeca, yes. But I told you already why CSD is better _for this purpose_ Jul 21 22:10:54 lymeca: and may be unavailable. Jul 21 22:10:55 Chocky: who? Jul 21 22:11:13 doc|home: dunno, do you qualify? Does it help if mention UPS and Rogers? Jul 21 22:11:21 and my nick completion? Jul 21 22:11:23 Chocky: I'm not canadian, so no Jul 21 22:11:33 oh year. Jul 21 22:11:37 close enough. Jul 21 22:11:42 heh Jul 21 22:11:47 CAD UPS BBQ Jul 21 22:11:47 lymeca: minisip is a sip-client which is actually in the repository but nobody has tried so far I guess. Jul 21 22:11:50 entirely different continents, so no :P Jul 21 22:12:04 Kensan: I'm guessing it doesn't have ZRTP support? That's what I'm really after. Jul 21 22:12:22 lymeca, anyway, twinkle was mentioned here in this thread, and I do hope someone bothers with it, or any other zrtp-capable solution: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022675.html Jul 21 22:12:28 an er, Canda(in)ianian Jul 21 22:12:47 mjr: CSD is a no-go for plain SIP/RTP. Jul 21 22:12:55 lymeca: no. Jul 21 22:12:55 does someone knows if my 3g simcard from HI (dutch provider) will work in the freerunner/ Jul 21 22:12:56 ? Jul 21 22:13:06 mjr: When you speak of CSD being more reliable for SIP calls, do you mean at all HSCSD? Is HSCSD supported by OpenMoko? Jul 21 22:13:14 i connect using a script to a unsecure wifi and the script detects it an connects to it and adds a dns but when i try to ping www.google.com it doens' t work, can anyone point me in the right direction where to look? Jul 21 22:13:21 lymeca: not, it is not Jul 21 22:13:43 another "doesn't work" bug report. Jul 21 22:13:50 I think I am going to ask Joerg to post a reply for me :P Jul 21 22:13:52 Kensan, is it? Wouldn't think so off the cuff, but maybe the overhead would be too naughty, and you'd want an endpoint to talk raw digital (encrypted) audio stream with... Jul 21 22:13:55 hey edistar :) Jul 21 22:13:56 sorry Zilla, I only tested a JIM (base in belgium) card and that works Jul 21 22:14:01 can it resolve it, or is it a routing problem? Jul 21 22:14:10 mjr: I did look into it a bit about a year ago. Jul 21 22:14:11 thats a 3g simcard? Jul 21 22:14:16 like umts-simcard Jul 21 22:14:24 Zilla: not that i know.. Jul 21 22:14:31 mjr: it is too much overhead. I think a put a link in the wiki at some point... Jul 21 22:14:36 mjr: lemme see... Jul 21 22:14:37 Okay so it's between CSD and GPRS. What about EDGE? Jul 21 22:14:41 haha Jul 21 22:14:45 Choky: i get ping: bad address 'www.google.be' so i guess he can't resolve it? Jul 21 22:14:46 fucking at&t Jul 21 22:14:47 *can you acces the 3g network with that sim? *not on freerunner ofcourse Jul 21 22:14:49 lymeca: no edge Jul 21 22:14:59 lymeca, well, for voip in general really. HSCSD IIRC is supported, but costs again more Jul 21 22:15:00 mjr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OSvS Jul 21 22:15:05 zorkman, oh haha, have you added a valid nameserver to your resolv.conf? Jul 21 22:15:23 and indeed put in the word "nameserver x.x.x.x" Jul 21 22:15:27 I'm glad i can make you smile DaveLab :) Jul 21 22:15:27 Zorkman, do you have a freerunner?:S Jul 21 22:15:31 lymeca, the Freerunner doesn't do edge (and edge doesn't really improve much on the latency issue afaik) Jul 21 22:15:33 lymeca: GPRS etc all have bad latency so that's not all that usable either... Jul 21 22:15:33 :D Jul 21 22:15:35 yes Zilla Jul 21 22:15:39 mjd: edistar said that HSCSD is not supported Jul 21 22:15:39 do you like it? Jul 21 22:15:43 :P Jul 21 22:15:49 edistar: thanks again - it's working Jul 21 22:15:56 mjr: exactly, latency is the issue, not bandwidth. Jul 21 22:15:58 Zilla: yes very muc :) Jul 21 22:16:00 tc: super :) Jul 21 22:16:02 Kensan: lymeca: It's quite possible to use it for push-talk. Jul 21 22:16:06 DaveLab;: i did that of course Jul 21 22:16:09 do you have the gps-problem wich i read about? Jul 21 22:16:10 Kensan: lymeca: With 2s delay that is. Jul 21 22:16:12 i did echo nameserver 195.130.129.162 > /etc/resolv.conf Jul 21 22:16:13 :) Jul 21 22:16:17 SpeedEvil: What's push-talk? Jul 21 22:16:23 with quotes, I would hope Jul 21 22:16:28 lymeca: think 2-way radios Jul 21 22:16:29 :p Jul 21 22:16:32 lymeca: push button, talk, release button, wait for response. Jul 21 22:16:32 Kensan, mmh, let's reiterate; so _latency_ is also the issue with rtp/csd? Jul 21 22:16:34 but that is what I use for my wired (over usb) network , i guess i need to add something different when using wlan? Jul 21 22:16:42 walkie-talkie Jul 21 22:16:54 btw are you zorkman@gathering.tweakers.net? Jul 21 22:17:01 zorkman, assuming it's subnetted [properly] you shouldn't have to Jul 21 22:17:05 zilla :o Jul 21 22:17:07 I could see that, yes, what with csd not being excellent latency on its own... Jul 21 22:17:14 OKay this is interesting and I'm beginning to understand much more. Jul 21 22:17:15 (but better than gprs nonetheless...) Jul 21 22:17:17 srry was meant for zorkman:P Jul 21 22:17:58 So the three general subcategories of GSM (2G technologies) that the FR supports are GPRS, CSD, or HSCSD. That's in order from least expensive to most. Is this correct so far? Jul 21 22:18:06 mjr: CSD has better latency. With CSD the issue is bandwidth unfortunately Jul 21 22:18:11 DaveLab: if I add the nameserver i use (and that works) for wired network it still doesn't work Jul 21 22:18:31 then your pc must not be routing correctly Jul 21 22:18:38 How do you get the / character? Jul 21 22:18:39 9.6K/s is _quite_ large enough for decent voice. Jul 21 22:18:50 did you check the route on your freerunner too by the way? Jul 21 22:18:51 Kensan, what codecs did you use? I mean you can get one going at a pretty low bandwidth if you want to settle with crap sound ;) Jul 21 22:18:55 making sure that your pc is the gateway :) Jul 21 22:19:00 DaveLab: but i'm not trying to rout trough my computer, it's trough a wifi from the neighours Jul 21 22:19:09 Zorkman -_-; Jul 21 22:19:14 mjr: http://documents.made-it.com/VoIP/#AEN273 Jul 21 22:19:22 Davelab: over usb it works fine, i just want to be able to connect to random unprotected wifi with the script Jul 21 22:19:23 wifi thief! Jul 21 22:19:29 OH Jul 21 22:19:31 SpeedEvil: But like you said, SIP takes over 10x this, correct? 100K/s? Jul 21 22:19:31 haha :P Jul 21 22:19:39 ooh ooh Jul 21 22:19:40 lymeca: someone else said that Jul 21 22:19:43 im going... bye all Jul 21 22:19:46 lymeca: io don't actually know. Jul 21 22:19:50 waar woon je? :D Jul 21 22:19:57 Chocky: i'll oreder a FON router and let people use it for free Jul 21 22:20:02 Kensan, yowsa Jul 21 22:20:03 davelab?:S Jul 21 22:20:04 Does the FreeRunner support any other GSM technologies besides GPRS, CSD, and HSCSD? Jul 21 22:20:09 DaveLab in belgië, in de buurt van aalst Jul 21 22:20:11 SpeedEvil: yes, if it's for plain voice but you need to build a protocol around that. Jul 21 22:20:16 Zorkman: I actually have one. Jul 21 22:20:17 lymeca, it can do gsm voice calls and sms Jul 21 22:20:19 jaja :D Jul 21 22:20:20 but thanks :o Jul 21 22:20:24 SpeedEvil: doable of course :) Jul 21 22:20:26 Ah maareh zorkman ben jij ook die zorkman van tweakers?:S Jul 21 22:20:33 zilla, ja, waarom? Jul 21 22:20:33 hehehe Jul 21 22:20:34 srry for the dutch btw Jul 21 22:20:40 gewoon vroeg ik me af:P Jul 21 22:20:42 Geen probleem :P Jul 21 22:20:43 goed :D Jul 21 22:20:48 mjr: Ah okay, GPRS is actually separate from GSM, not just a subcategory? Jul 21 22:20:51 * Chocky has 20 wireless routers in his office. Jul 21 22:20:51 ba Jul 21 22:20:52 meer nederlandsspprekende mensen heir:P Jul 21 22:21:03 double Dutch Jul 21 22:21:05 verwacht ik niet....:P Jul 21 22:21:05 Chocky could spare some it seems :P Jul 21 22:21:09 lymeca, it's a subcategory. You just asked if it supported other GSM technologies, and I answered glibly :] Jul 21 22:21:15 bye all.... ;) Jul 21 22:21:18 bye Jul 21 22:21:24 Inderdaad. Kom zelf uit NL. Heb me Freerunner voor een weekje of 3 Jul 21 22:21:31 truste Jul 21 22:21:36 Bye Zilla :) Jul 21 22:21:37 RXShorty, waar heb je die gehaald?? Jul 21 22:21:40 anyway, okay, no sip/rtp perhaps over csd then Jul 21 22:21:46 you guys wanna take it to openmoko.nl ? Jul 21 22:21:48 ;) Jul 21 22:21:52 zorkman, free wifi? Jul 21 22:21:55 mjr: Okay, so just GSM, GSM with GPRS, GSM with CSD, or GSM with HSCSD, and SMS alongside them all which is likely included with any plans you buy with the afrementioned options. Jul 21 22:21:57 has anyone tried building the qtopia-x11 image lately? Jul 21 22:21:58 crazy dutch bastards! :P Jul 21 22:21:58 so, for sip/rtp, just settle for wifi Jul 21 22:21:59 Is that more accurate? Jul 21 22:22:02 ieatlint :D Jul 21 22:22:10 my build fails at exposure-0.0.1-svn Jul 21 22:22:14 crypted calls maybe over csd but cryptophone style Jul 21 22:22:15 during the _install_ Jul 21 22:22:18 ja, er zijn hier veel Nederlanders :D **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 22:24:27 2008 Jul 21 22:24:30 they publish the source for review only, and don't allow the use of that, but they have stated there that anyone is quite okay to implement it from their specs themselves Jul 21 22:24:51 Yeah they encourage people to interoperate I think. Jul 21 22:24:52 someone needs to translate the wiki into esperanto Jul 21 22:24:53 lymeca: well it's strictly for peer-review Jul 21 22:25:25 kensan, http://cryptophone.de/qa/published_source/index.html#vier , see near the end Jul 21 22:25:25 So view it, and write a reverse engineered compatability for OpenMoko. Jul 21 22:25:30 "You are perfectly free to develop a compatible product on the base of the published CryptoPhone protocol, but not using our source. Jul 21 22:25:33 SpeedEvil: yes, they are doing their own call-setup/teardown in CSD. Jul 21 22:25:35 Clean-room if you are really friggin worried Jul 21 22:25:42 anyone tried running miax on OM yet ? Jul 21 22:25:43 But I doubt such lengths are necessary Jul 21 22:26:15 mjr: Does the FR autojoin open wifi networks it sees? If so will it switch to Wifi for anything non-phone call related such as downloads, SSH stuff, and the web? Jul 21 22:26:43 lymeca: i have tried writing a script for that and it worked Jul 21 22:26:44 lymeca, you're assuming a level of polish that isn't :] Jul 21 22:26:52 mjr: hm... well one should get guarantees from them. Jul 21 22:27:01 Kensan, better contact them yes Jul 21 22:27:08 mjr: otherwise it would be great. Jul 21 22:28:18 for those interested MokoSec: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html Jul 21 22:28:34 mjr: they seem to have done it well. Jul 21 22:28:41 Kensan, but I've not seen anything there that would imply they're jealous of the protocol, even if they are very jealous of their source itself Jul 21 22:29:19 otoh I seem to recall I've seen somewhere else also a statement that anyone's free to interoperate with their own code, but didn't find other references than the above Jul 21 22:29:38 mjr: It might be well worth asking them on what specs one could base an independent implementation on. Jul 21 22:29:57 Kensan, probably, mostly I haven't done it since I know I don't have the follow-through to actually do it Jul 21 22:30:39 mjr: well I also made that suggestion to the MokoSec-ML so maybe someone from there will pick it up ;) Jul 21 22:30:54 good, it's good they know about the option Jul 21 22:31:05 leveraging an existing installed base with encrypted call capability would be nice Jul 21 22:31:44 mjr: not having to invent another such protocol is the bigger plus, because their solution seems to work reliably. Jul 21 22:31:50 well, that too Jul 21 22:32:09 mjr: Okay well how about the level of polish of auto-joining wifi networks? Can it do that? Or do you have to manually select from a list? Or worse? Something command line to connect? Jul 21 22:32:13 inventing your own secure systems is... hazardous to say the least Jul 21 22:32:24 Finux! Jul 21 22:32:25 lymeca, I have no idea what's the current status Jul 21 22:33:29 mjr: well it takes some knowledge in the field that's for sure. Jul 21 22:33:40 mjr: doing it right is the hard part ;) Jul 21 22:33:42 lymeca, but it's a gnu/linux system, so if you're hooked up to wifi and there's a default route over it, obviously networked apps will use it Jul 21 22:34:19 How do you get the / character when typing in terminal? Jul 21 22:34:30 Yashy: copy and paste? Jul 21 22:34:44 copy from where? Jul 21 22:34:47 Yashy: I think the general suggestion is to install the matchbox keyboard. Jul 21 22:34:57 I'm trying to "cd /etc/" Jul 21 22:35:04 Yashy: IIRC, the prompt had a / in it.. Jul 21 22:35:12 I don't have a matchbox keyboard? :( Jul 21 22:35:22 Yashy: You could also try cd .. then cd etc Jul 21 22:35:35 Yashy: the stock keyboard is.... horrible. Jul 21 22:36:17 anyone experience with open wifi? Jul 21 22:36:27 does anyone know who administrates the planet.openmoko.org aggregator? Jul 21 22:36:34 How do I copy/paste with the stylus? (sorry for the newbie questions, just got mine, trying to get wifi working while waiting for the battery to fully charge for the first time Jul 21 22:36:53 my freerunner connects to an unsecure wifi and adds a dns, but i can not ping anything Jul 21 22:36:55 yeah Zorkman ; ifconfig eth0 essid "APNAME" ; udhcpc eth0; echo finished Jul 21 22:37:17 kd8ikt: I am already connected to the AP, i just can't ping Jul 21 22:37:22 (or do anything else) Jul 21 22:37:34 Sending select for 192.168.2.107... Jul 21 22:37:34 Lease of 192.168.2.107 obtained, lease time 86400 Jul 21 22:37:34 run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 Jul 21 22:37:34 adding dns 192.168.2.1 Jul 21 22:37:38 whats /etc/resolve.conf say Jul 21 22:37:45 Yashy: highlight by press & drag, then use the clipboard icon to paste. Jul 21 22:37:54 kd8ikt: nothing Jul 21 22:38:02 mjr: well if you are interested in the whole gsm encryption thing subscribe to mokosec, it's very low volume currently ;) Jul 21 22:38:05 there is your problem Jul 21 22:38:07 kd8ikt: but i don't know how to figure out the nameserver of an unknown wifi Jul 21 22:38:20 nameserver routersip Jul 21 22:38:34 Yashy: I'd suggest opening a second terminal where you can run commands to get more things to copy from. Jul 21 22:38:35 who gave you the dhcp Jul 21 22:38:36 dhcp would give it to you, in most cases Jul 21 22:38:44 * retracile must run; waves. Jul 21 22:38:49 sometimes people turn it off though, then you have to guess Jul 21 22:38:54 yes Chocky, it did that yesterday, but not today :s Jul 21 22:39:00 whoever gave you the dhcp is ussually the gateway and should be in resolve.conf Jul 21 22:39:17 normally the router itself runs DNS. sometimes you can figure out the upstream provider and use their DNS Jul 21 22:39:20 kd8ikt: what do you mean with "whoever gave you the dhcp" ? Jul 21 22:39:51 Kensan, yeah I did. And interested, yes, though not up to doing much about it ;/ Jul 21 22:40:18 mjr: well it's always good to have people who state their opinion ;) Jul 21 22:40:24 mmontour: I was mistaken, after thorough reading :P, I should be able to boot from SDHC, but only rootfs Jul 21 22:40:25 no it's not! Jul 21 22:40:36 quiet you Jul 21 22:41:32 thewtex: boot from SDHC? You mean having the rootfs on SDHC but the kernel on the internal NAND right? Jul 21 22:42:06 the wiki also alludes to how to do this (not hard) but isn Jul 21 22:42:14 is far from clear on the precise steps Jul 21 22:42:26 Kensan: yes Jul 21 22:43:24 thewtex: ok just checking :) Would be cool if you hacked SDHC support into u-boot though ;) Jul 21 22:43:27 thewtex: there's code in u-boot to access SDHC cards (for Freerunner only). If it doesn't work then a bug should be reported. You can test by running "mmcinit" in the u-boot console to see if it detects the card properly Jul 21 22:43:50 mmontour: are you sure it's for SDHC? Jul 21 22:44:49 * Stroller yawns Jul 21 22:44:51 See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2008-June/008996.html Jul 21 22:44:54 Evening, all Jul 21 22:45:26 Chocky: it is unclear on the debian page, but there is better description farther down on the 'Booting from SD' page Jul 21 22:45:47 not that much ;-) Jul 21 22:45:51 mmontour: oh nice, didn't know that. Jul 21 22:47:05 there's also no consistent style on the wiki. Jul 21 22:47:15 Chocky: feel free to fix that. Jul 21 22:47:21 :-| Jul 21 22:48:35 Elleo: just get http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-TDS684C-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ220258151941QQihZ012QQcategoryZ104247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 21 22:48:37 oops Jul 21 22:48:45 Kensan, so there :] Jul 21 22:49:05 mmontour: from reading your link it is a little unclear-- with the kernel partition need to be ext2 instead of FAT? Jul 21 22:49:05 bye all Jul 21 22:49:14 bye Zilla Jul 21 22:49:24 can be either Jul 21 22:49:31 just depends upon the command Jul 21 22:49:47 hi Jul 21 22:49:57 hi mmaestri Jul 21 22:50:08 mjr: reat! Jul 21 22:50:12 mjr: g Jul 21 22:50:16 I have my freerunner. It's over. Jul 21 22:51:16 thewtex: once the new u-boot build shows up on buildhost you won't even need a "kernel partition". You'll be able to load the kernel from the ext2/ext3 rootfs. But if you want to you can put the kernel onto a FAT partition (with any version of u-boot, SD or SDHC). Jul 21 22:51:18 Chocky: are you using the debian kernel from the wiki page? Jul 21 22:51:27 Chocky: does it have support for ext2? Jul 21 22:51:36 well I am off. Goodnight all. Jul 21 22:51:37 mmaestri: NO! It's only just beginning! Jul 21 22:52:08 mmontour: I see -- thanks for the clarification Jul 21 22:52:22 gn Kensan Jul 21 22:52:24 thewtex: it does have support for ext2 Jul 21 22:52:33 nice Jul 21 22:53:14 I'm actually waiting to see if the sky falls over my head Jul 21 22:53:26 haha Jul 21 22:53:41 * thewtex ponders triple booting Jul 21 22:53:45 mmaestri: it unfortunately will, about every 12 days. This is hoped to be fixed in new software. Jul 21 22:55:45 well that's ok to me. now, a poll: which image should I use? Right now I don't care if it works as a phone :P Jul 21 22:56:08 2007.2 Jul 21 22:56:13 mmaestri: WinCE Jul 21 22:56:15 Any idea how I can save my file in vi in terminal with the stylus? Jul 21 22:56:17 but never mind me; i'm a noob :) Jul 21 22:56:31 SpeedEvil: funny Jul 21 22:56:43 Yashy: you can't Jul 21 22:57:13 Yashy: do you have the default keypad? Jul 21 22:57:16 Is there a text editor to create a wpa_supplicant.conf I can save with the stylus? Jul 21 22:57:33 yes, default OS/application, battery is doing initial charge Jul 21 22:57:39 Yashy: you need to get USB networking working first and SSH in Jul 21 22:57:50 doh Jul 21 22:57:51 Yashy: congrats on your new freerunner :) Jul 21 22:57:57 but yeah, setup usb networking fist Jul 21 22:57:59 *first Jul 21 22:58:18 thanks, I'm excited. I guess I'll set it up in ~12 hours? :/ Jul 21 22:58:26 Yashy: ZZ Jul 21 22:59:33 anyone know how I can mute the speaker without muting the headphones with the latest ASU image/kernel? Jul 21 22:59:35 anyone has any idea if the order pullster made by openmoko will arrive soonish? Jul 21 23:00:10 Pjj: I thought I heard something about them being delayed until the 28th due to some customs issue Jul 21 23:00:34 but I might be thinking of somehwhere else Jul 21 23:00:43 thewtex: How do I do the SHIFT part of ZZ? simply ZZ does not work Jul 21 23:01:27 Yashy: where are you from? Jul 21 23:01:30 Also, how can I tell when my battery has completed charging? Jul 21 23:01:33 Elleo: I've just been using alsamixer, does that not work? Jul 21 23:01:37 ok I guess I'll notice :) Jul 21 23:01:39 doc|work: BC, Canada. Jul 21 23:01:40 Elleo - That is a known bug as I seem to recall and being looked at. Check the trax listings. Jul 21 23:01:45 Yashy: not sure, I don't use that keyboard ... but the other dudes are right about USB networking Jul 21 23:01:47 Yashy: victoria by any chance? Jul 21 23:01:55 Jul 21 23:01:57 sparrow: okay, thanks Jul 21 23:02:00 Yasumoto: nope Jul 21 23:02:04 Yashy: did you get the money in the package too? :) Jul 21 23:02:12 doc|work: You from Vancouver? :) Jul 21 23:02:12 and two headsets? :) Jul 21 23:02:16 hehe yup, thanks! Jul 21 23:02:18 Yashy: aye :) Jul 21 23:02:21 Yashy: you asked the wrong question. You meant "how do I leave edit mode?" and you can't because there's no escape key Jul 21 23:02:24 * Yashy giggles Jul 21 23:02:24 Yasumoto: the speaker always stays on unless PCM is muted, in which case the headphones are also muted Jul 21 23:02:40 Elleo: brutal.. Jul 21 23:03:11 Elleo: As soon as I figure out what all the different controls in alsamixer do, it's time to make a wiki page Jul 21 23:03:19 doc: not so patiently waiting for initial charge to finish :) Jul 21 23:03:32 * Yashy wonders how to tell if the battery is fully charged Jul 21 23:03:33 one last try: i'm connected to a wifi, but i cannot ping, i recieve no nameserver. Is there a way to get hold of the namserver (no fysical acces to the AP) Jul 21 23:04:02 Use a known good nameserver. Jul 21 23:04:20 i used the one my computer uses, and that does not work... Jul 21 23:05:33 Yasumoto: start from the "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" wiki page. Look in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ for alsa files for various usage scenarios - there should be one there for headphones. Jul 21 23:05:59 Elleo: Yasumoto http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/18781 I don't know if that is of use Jul 21 23:06:19 whoa, cool Jul 21 23:06:26 thanks mmontour and thewtex Jul 21 23:06:27 Yashy: it fills green Jul 21 23:07:22 SpeedEvil you know a good nameserver? my host machines has two, but they both don't work Jul 21 23:07:57 You can always configure BIND on your machine. Jul 21 23:08:28 thewtex: ah thanks, that fixes it :) Jul 21 23:08:40 SpeedEvil: I'll try to look that up on the internet Jul 21 23:11:15 SpeedEvil if i understand it correctly BIND is for setting up a dns??? Jul 21 23:13:47 Zorkman: yes - I mean install your own GPS Jul 21 23:13:48 err Jul 21 23:13:52 Nameserver Jul 21 23:13:54 SpeedEvil: now the AP DOES give me automatically a namserver (nameserver 192.168.2.1) but i still can't ping anything Jul 21 23:13:57 and then point the wifi to that Jul 21 23:14:09 Elleo: good deal Jul 21 23:14:09 Zorkman: complain to the admin. Jul 21 23:21:59 cats are crazy Jul 21 23:27:06 Zorkman: can you ping machines on your LAN? Jul 21 23:27:10 howdy Jul 21 23:27:17 Hey, chillywilly Jul 21 23:28:00 what's the advantage/differences between dropbear and openssh? Jul 21 23:28:18 dropbear sucks .. ssh rocks Jul 21 23:28:19 kelvie_work: did you get a Freerunner in the end? Jul 21 23:28:20 :-p Jul 21 23:28:22 dropbear came on my iPod by default (after it was jailbroken), Jul 21 23:28:29 Stroller: nope.. building the software.. waiting for the next release Jul 21 23:28:43 kelvie_work: dropbear is tiny and meant for embedded systems Jul 21 23:28:47 dropbear is smaller, for embedded ... Jul 21 23:28:49 what he said Jul 21 23:28:50 ahh Jul 21 23:29:34 whoa, I didn't know openssh was here Jul 21 23:29:35 cool Jul 21 23:31:17 anyone tried pyqt on the openmoko yet? :p Jul 21 23:46:52 wow, pygtk was surprisingly easy to get to work Jul 21 23:46:53 cool Jul 21 23:47:28 I don't mean to be ignorant but I'm just wondering why opening applications takes quite a while even with the 400 mhz cpu? Is something vital for performance still being worked on? Jul 21 23:47:31 mm I may have to take anothe rlook at gtk then :p Jul 21 23:47:40 unless PyQt is just as simple to get up and running Jul 21 23:47:51 I can create GUIs for almost anything _really_ quickly in pyqt Jul 21 23:48:23 Centaur5: I don't know off the top of my head, how much ram does the FreeRunner have? Jul 21 23:48:36 Centaur5: there's a lot of stuff still being worked on Jul 21 23:48:53 Centaur5: I've heard rumors that a dev found something that was hanging the kernel for 20 seconds on boot up Jul 21 23:49:27 *sigh* I wish the software were more complete Jul 21 23:50:12 summatusmentis: Well it has 128 ram so I thought it would perform a lot better than my mda. From what I understand the graphics accelerator isn't even close to finished? Jul 21 23:50:27 asuis nice :D Jul 21 23:50:30 err Jul 21 23:50:34 ASU is nice haha Jul 21 23:51:18 Centaur5: I think the graphics accleerator is quite the hindrance, if I understand correctly Jul 21 23:51:20 SirBob1701: Is there better battery life with ASU? Jul 21 23:51:48 summatusmentis: Okay, I figured that would have something to do with it. Not being impatient, just curious. :) Jul 21 23:52:31 Centaur5: I honestly don't know, couldn't afford one Jul 21 23:57:25 phone doesn't seem to want to register with the latest daily Jul 21 23:59:09 Centaur5: i get about 9 hours out of it. power managements still shit gotta look into that Jul 22 00:02:04 SirBob1701: alright, I'll just keep waiting. Got my spares pack today so I should last an entire day with a phone now. Jul 22 00:02:13 Will GTA03 be able to use the added camera to play and record video? Jul 22 00:03:01 Centaur5: ya i'm thinking of getting them. hows the little baggy thing? lol Jul 22 00:03:29 hey carrar Jul 22 00:03:37 ;) Jul 22 00:03:39 yes sir Jul 22 00:03:50 err Jul 22 00:03:50 i'm still messing with that script Jul 22 00:03:52 hi! Jul 22 00:03:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN_AUTO Jul 22 00:03:56 heh Jul 22 00:04:07 I need to put it in a array Jul 22 00:04:13 i need more bash scripting knowledge Jul 22 00:04:38 while true Jul 22 00:04:38 do Jul 22 00:04:40 man bash Jul 22 00:04:40 done Jul 22 00:04:49 nice one :) Jul 22 00:05:03 SpeedEvil: if you think your so hawt checkout my script sofar Jul 22 00:05:05 scripting is more fun in python Jul 22 00:05:30 SirBob1701: Umm...I don't think I'll ever use it. I have an invisible shield on the way. Jul 22 00:05:33 think you can add to it? Jul 22 00:05:40 davi: no - the camera will only be used to sense colour for matching paint samples. Jul 22 00:05:55 k: where is this script? Jul 22 00:06:22 SpeedEvil, I see, only photos? Jul 22 00:06:39 davi: it should be able to do video too - of some form. Jul 22 00:06:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA02_WLAN_AUTO Jul 22 00:06:51 good news! Jul 22 00:07:03 thanks SpeedEvil Jul 22 00:07:58 kd8ikt: break lines ("for AP ") by putting "\" at the end of them Jul 22 00:08:28 ? Jul 22 00:08:45 they already get output as one ap per line Jul 22 00:09:02 kd8ikt: I'd use awk Jul 22 00:09:14 there is some awk thrown in Jul 22 00:09:18 kd8ikt: string matching in bash is nasty Jul 22 00:09:46 kd8ikt: please test the changes I've just made Jul 22 00:10:13 kd8ikt, have you verified by using iwconfig with any as the essid and encryption set to off that it just doesn't already do that? Jul 22 00:10:17 its not gonna rm -rf me is it? Jul 22 00:10:26 yes i've tried that Jul 22 00:10:31 kd8ikt: it's probably also better not to grep your pings, but test exit status Jul 22 00:10:52 dunno why it doesnt work essid "any" Jul 22 00:11:00 Although I think it's naughty to try pinging an arbitrary host. Jul 22 00:11:00 would mnake life a lot easier Jul 22 00:11:12 just 1 ping Jul 22 00:11:13 IMO you could find the default gateway and ping that Jul 22 00:11:14 kd8ikt: also - grep 'received' | awk -F',' '{ print $2 }' | awk '{ print $1 } Jul 22 00:11:28 one ping only --sean connery red october Jul 22 00:11:33 kd8ikt: = awk '/recieved/{print $3}' Jul 22 00:11:55 There's no separation of host name resolution & routing failures Jul 22 00:11:57 anyone know the timezone of http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ Jul 22 00:12:40 kd8ikt: 1 ping or 100 it doesn't make a difference. You should probably be testing exit status, not output. See http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/exit-status.html Jul 22 00:12:48 Sirbob, IP belongs to Taiwan Jul 22 00:12:54 ok Jul 22 00:12:56 thanks Jul 22 00:13:37 actually Jul 22 00:13:46 that or Germany :) Jul 22 00:13:54 haha Jul 22 00:14:08 inetnum: 78.47.190.208 - 78.47.190.215 Jul 22 00:14:08 netname: FIRST-INTERNATIONAL-COMPUTER-INC Jul 22 00:14:08 descr: First International Computer, Inc. Jul 22 00:14:08 country: DE Jul 22 00:14:14 person: Sean Moss-Pultz Jul 22 00:14:15 address: First International Computer, Inc. Jul 22 00:14:15 address: 300, Yang Guang Street Jul 22 00:14:15 address: 114 Taipei Jul 22 00:14:15 address: TAIWAN, PROVINCE OF CHINA Jul 22 00:14:25 traceroute to it Jul 22 00:14:26 FIC! Jul 22 00:14:40 Germany Jul 22 00:14:48 lol Jul 22 00:14:52 9 et.1.13.rs3k4.rz3.hetzner.de (213.239.244.134) 185.497 ms 185.614 ms 185.226 ms Jul 22 00:14:52 10 savitri.openmoko.org (213.133.111.153) 185.387 ms 185.125 ms 185.355 ms Jul 22 00:14:52 11 buildhost.openmoko.org (78.47.190.211) 187.254 ms 185.010 ms 185.403 ms Jul 22 00:14:57 lol Jul 22 00:15:02 funny Jul 22 00:15:14 via a german provider Jul 22 00:15:27 i guess whatevers cheap Jul 22 00:15:28 savage? Jul 22 00:15:34 Jul 22 00:17:23 AHAHAHAHA refresh and the buggers up :D Jul 22 00:17:27 ...and not controlled by the chinese government Jul 22 00:19:35 still a couple minutes till image update but kernel is up http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 22 00:19:54 dunno SpeedEvil Jul 22 00:19:59 just opkg upgraded and illume updates and so forth even diversity Jul 22 00:20:12 does gpsd conflict with diversity? cause i haven't gotten a TIFF with it Jul 22 00:21:24 i'm more confused now then when i was confused Jul 22 00:22:21 is there a changelog for ASU anywhere? Jul 22 00:22:31 i'm gonna want to keep an eye on that if i start deving for it Jul 22 00:24:58 although i did learn about the if do junk Jul 22 00:25:30 my scripts have always lacked loops Jul 22 00:26:19 like just now i freehanded for AP in $(iwlist eth0 scanning | awk -F '[ :=]+' '/(ESS|Freq|Qual)/{ printf $3" " } /Encr/{ print $4 }' \ | sort -k4 -k3nr |grep off \ |awk ' iwlist eth0 scanning | awk -F '[ :=]+' '/(ESS|Freq|Qual)/{ printf $3" " } /Encr/{ print $4 }' \ | sort -k4 -k3nr |grep off |awk '{print $1}'{print $1}'); do Jul 22 00:26:30 whoopz wrong paste Jul 22 00:26:35 lol Jul 22 00:26:49 for hell in $(opkg list_installed |grep perl|awk '{print $1}') ; do opkg remove $hell Jul 22 00:27:04 to remove a bunch of unneeded perl packages i accidently installed Jul 22 00:27:08 kd8ikt: guess you don't know oop? Jul 22 00:27:12 no Jul 22 00:28:17 Hrm.. Is there a special browser for QTopia somewhere? Jul 22 00:29:30 kd8ikt: I'd suggest a modification after my earlier code. After man bash add man awk. Jul 22 00:29:48 :( Jul 22 00:30:02 kd8ikt: as a first cut Jul 22 00:30:21 kd8ikt: grep foo|awk '{whatever}' = awk '/foo/{whatever}' Jul 22 00:30:21 one could spend months learning about those Jul 22 00:30:39 yea find/ replacement Jul 22 00:30:56 No - that's a pattern. Jul 22 00:32:35 awk breaks the input into lines, then applies it to each pattern in turn. If it matches, then the pattern is executed. Jul 22 00:32:56 Anyone here use the QTopia on their Freerunner? :3 Jul 22 00:34:37 why can't they stay steady with the ASU keyboard? why Jul 22 00:34:39 i do Jul 22 00:35:04 a browser will be available in the upcoming qtopia 4.4 release in a few weeks Jul 22 00:35:12 Ahh Jul 22 00:37:05 sweet Jul 22 00:37:18 ljp: does it use WebKit? Jul 22 00:38:04 oooh qtopia 4.4 is coming out soon? Jul 22 00:38:14 any thoughts on maemo and openmoko? Jul 22 00:38:15 Is the only way to silent the phone by editing /etc/pulse/session and commenting the line with ringer.wav? Jul 22 00:38:25 so I can use arora with it then I'd assume :p Jul 22 00:38:29 Centaur5: 2007.2? Jul 22 00:39:25 SirBob1701: yes Jul 22 00:41:34 hmm thought there was a package fore it but doesn't loook it. so yes Jul 22 00:42:32 anybody know any webpages that compare maemo and openmoko platform please? thanks Jul 22 00:43:07 hey guyze Jul 22 00:43:31 jagernot: maemo won't have any drivers for phone hardware Jul 22 00:43:51 SirBob1701: Okay, I guess I'll just wait for that feature too. :) Jul 22 00:44:16 stroller: mean maemo is not a phone platform? Jul 22 00:44:20 i've received my freerunner today, do i have to upgrade to an new rootfs/kernel? Jul 22 00:44:52 no, you have to ship me your phone Jul 22 00:44:53 jagernot: if I'm reading it correctly, maemo is the platform for the Nokia N800 tablets Jul 22 00:44:57 ;P Jul 22 00:45:04 you don't *have* to do anything Jul 22 00:45:07 chillywilly: :D Jul 22 00:45:24 do ihave to upgrade to a new rootfs/kernel if i want to do something with the mobilephone :P Jul 22 00:45:31 jagernot: the Nokia N800 stuff is noticeably lacking actual phone features, substituting nstead VoIP over wifi Jul 22 00:45:53 Bish: did you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart ? Jul 22 00:46:13 i did but i thought of a new openmoko version or something Jul 22 00:46:20 stroller: hmm so its a sort of second class citizen then without phone hardware drivers Jul 22 00:47:14 jagernot: err - no. Jul 22 00:47:21 jagernot: there is no phone hardware. Jul 22 00:47:31 Stroller: so i already have the newest roofs+kernel ? with gpsd patch? Jul 22 00:48:01 There any way to test whether WAP is working on Qtopia? Jul 22 00:48:08 ok i get it now :) Jul 22 00:48:19 but other than that is it as open as openmoko? Jul 22 00:48:20 Bish: you can update to quite recent simply by using `opgk update && opkg upgrade`. Also read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 22 00:48:27 ah i c Jul 22 00:48:36 Stroller: what about the qtopia things? Jul 22 00:49:02 am i the only one using the ASU daily? Jul 22 00:49:22 SirBob1701: thats what i wanted to ask Jul 22 00:49:23 jagernot: you could maybe get maemo running on the Freerunner, but it would, by default be missing a lot of stuff required to use the Freerunner as a phone Jul 22 00:49:29 Bish: haha Jul 22 00:49:33 Bish: don't upgrade rightn ow Jul 22 00:49:39 SirBob1701: why? Jul 22 00:49:42 it blasts away keybaord Jul 22 00:49:45 SirBob1701: I'm tempted to update to it but I need to know that it will work daily as it's my only phone. :) Jul 22 00:49:55 funny :) Jul 22 00:50:04 I'm downgrading back to yesterday's image Jul 22 00:50:12 one on the 18th did the same thing Jul 22 00:50:41 is there a howto about upgrading to newest image? Jul 22 00:50:43 21'st has a little button so you can open keyboard whenever but that keyboard doesn't have the cool dictionary look up but the whole thing runs a shitload faster Jul 22 00:50:57 you can do it with opkg update opkg upgrade or flash the sucker Jul 22 00:51:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 22 00:51:06 thanks Jul 22 00:51:16 i hope there is no way too flash uboot :D Jul 22 00:51:18 keep an eye here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Jul 22 00:51:27 lol Jul 22 00:51:34 i'm flashing kenrel dailyish too Jul 22 00:51:47 SirBob1701: do u use freerunner as your first phone? Jul 22 00:51:48 i'll prolly burn the memory out of the phone in a year haha Jul 22 00:51:50 SirBob1701: sorry to jump in late, but what image are you running? ASU? Jul 22 00:51:57 Bish: ya my work phone is my extreme backup Jul 22 00:52:01 fuzzyt: ya Jul 22 00:52:10 :D Jul 22 00:52:28 anybody know if the touchscreen on freerunner is pressure sensitive? Jul 22 00:52:39 i think it is jagernot Jul 22 00:52:57 Anyone know the release date for Qtopia 4.4.x? Jul 22 00:53:30 Bish: i think you can flash uboot i just don't ever run anything with that line in it. though the NOR is to recover from screwing that up Jul 22 00:54:14 uff i hope i will never brick my freerunner Jul 22 00:54:18 and finally i do audio synthesis programming on linux with portaudio...what do i do to get the audio subsystem on freerunner Jul 22 00:54:44 depends on the distro Jul 22 00:54:57 2007.2 uses pulseaudio. ASU ripped it out Jul 22 00:55:08 Bish: i think NOR is so you can't brick it Jul 22 00:55:18 any one know if there is a change log for ASU development? Jul 22 00:55:34 pulseaudio ripped out..was something else put in place? :D Jul 22 00:55:59 so if i boot AUX and THEN power.. i wont brick it :P Jul 22 00:56:07 SirBob1701: would u help me a little bit? Jul 22 00:56:16 Bish: sure what do you need? Jul 22 00:56:29 SirBob1701: i want to upgrade to the newest! Jul 22 00:56:36 newest what? lol Jul 22 00:56:41 imagae Jul 22 00:56:53 s/imagae/image Jul 22 00:56:55 we'll put you one day back as teh 22nd ones fucked Jul 22 00:56:55 haha Jul 22 00:57:11 Bish: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080721/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jul 22 00:57:14 okay :) Jul 22 00:57:14 download that Jul 22 00:57:30 okay ..:) Jul 22 00:57:32 is the kernel included? Jul 22 00:57:43 no i'm testing it in a minute Jul 22 00:58:50 hai guiz Jul 22 00:59:00 what's the status on suspend? Jul 22 00:59:01 i might write a script for installing asu programs Jul 22 00:59:13 suspend seems to be good in ASU for me Jul 22 00:59:17 jumps right back Jul 22 00:59:21 kđ Jul 22 00:59:24 oh nice Jul 22 00:59:25 SirBob1701: so i downloadet the latest image? Jul 22 00:59:29 ya Jul 22 00:59:43 Bish: what desktop distro you running? Jul 22 01:00:16 gentoo Jul 22 01:00:51 Bish: download this kernel http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin Jul 22 01:01:19 the first link u gave me is the rootfs , isnt it? SirBob1701 ? Jul 22 01:01:39 yup Jul 22 01:02:13 okay.. Jul 22 01:02:29 okay.. Jul 22 01:02:50 :) haha fine i love that Jul 22 01:03:43 ok so we'll flash your kerel first. do you have dfu-util yet? Jul 22 01:04:01 i already did that :) Jul 22 01:04:06 downloading the rootfs right now Jul 22 01:04:10 haha sweet Jul 22 01:04:24 Has anyone run into a problem with their FR where after letting the battery die, it refuses to charge or turn on, even when plugged in? Jul 22 01:04:41 russellb: i think thats a common issue Jul 22 01:04:50 i like that :) Jul 22 01:04:59 ASU is the newer OM , am i right? Jul 22 01:05:17 SirBob1701: yeah, i've seen a few reports on the list, but not much of a solution except from people that happened to have an extra, charged battery around. Jul 22 01:05:44 ya kinda fed up if you ask me Jul 22 01:06:10 SirBob1701: fed up with the issue? Jul 22 01:06:21 can i find the source of dfu_util somewhere? Jul 22 01:06:27 think more vulger lol russellb Jul 22 01:06:37 oic. Jul 22 01:06:51 Bish: probably why do you want it? Jul 22 01:06:57 i'm just kind of bummed ... i haven't had much time to work on it, and now i can't even get it on. sort of a show stopper :) Jul 22 01:07:01 russellb: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU.2FCharger_Issue Jul 22 01:07:08 mmontour: thanks for the linkage Jul 22 01:07:36 SirBob1701: just because .. freerunner is open.. if i use tools which are not open..i wont have to buy a "free" phoen Jul 22 01:08:51 oo Jul 22 01:08:55 Bish: just look at the bitbake recipe for dfu-util-native - it will have a link to the source Jul 22 01:09:04 thanks Jul 22 01:09:12 so dfu_util is not an om invention? Jul 22 01:09:43 russellb, you writting a IAX client for openmoko :) Jul 22 01:09:45 man im beginning to like that shit :) Jul 22 01:10:02 or perhaps there already is one Jul 22 01:10:04 carrar: trying to ... Jul 22 01:10:09 right on Jul 22 01:10:10 carrar: not a working one, yet Jul 22 01:10:16 heh Jul 22 01:10:20 damn Jul 22 01:10:52 I'll take broke Jul 22 01:11:00 heh Jul 22 01:11:01 i've got two other developers that have the hw, or are getting it in soon, that are also interested. so, it's coming Jul 22 01:11:18 let me know if you need testers :) Jul 22 01:11:21 did they update how to set up a qemu envirometn yet? Jul 22 01:11:39 carrar: of course. we'll post to the lists as stuff becomes available .. Jul 22 01:11:42 i want to work on ASU. Also dont know how to contact anyone working on asu lol Jul 22 01:11:50 be a nice wifi sip phone Jul 22 01:12:08 or even over bluetooth Jul 22 01:13:05 Bish: (just looked it up) it's in the OM SVN tree under trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ Jul 22 01:17:32 Hm, I don't have an extra battery. I think I'm going to attempt manually charging it ... Jul 22 01:17:53 SirBob1701: there it goes :) Jul 22 01:17:55 how do you do that? Jul 22 01:18:02 Bish: :) Jul 22 01:19:10 i like asu.. Jul 22 01:19:17 its alot faster Jul 22 01:19:29 i'm working on a list of packages you probably want to make it even better Jul 22 01:19:33 assasin is like... opkg ? Jul 22 01:19:48 fuking like that Jul 22 01:19:57 ya it is Jul 22 01:20:08 so asu will be OM? Jul 22 01:20:16 probably Jul 22 01:20:17 or is asu only the codename for the WM? Jul 22 01:20:26 ah ic Jul 22 01:21:40 illume is the wm Jul 22 01:24:26 i like that Jul 22 01:25:07 so... rootfs and kernel are on own partitions? Jul 22 01:25:22 * Bish dont likes to read manuals.. at this moment Jul 22 01:25:29 lol i guess Jul 22 01:27:52 but illume is quite buggy uhm? Jul 22 01:27:59 Bish: once they get the dictionary back on keyboard it'll be even better Jul 22 01:28:10 how so ? Jul 22 01:28:28 :) but i lie it Jul 22 01:32:22 SirBob1701: does it have a terminal? Jul 22 01:34:02 i use openmoko-terminal2 (gtk) and write a .desktop file for it Jul 22 01:34:47 muhahaha... got my usb card to inject packets Jul 22 01:36:24 SirBob1701: hm, okay Jul 22 01:36:40 so asu is more in developement then gtk+ openmoko Jul 22 01:36:45 but its more useful at the moment? Jul 22 01:36:51 ya kinda funny isn't it? Jul 22 01:37:00 yeah it is :) Jul 22 01:37:06 i like that freaking black evil desing Jul 22 01:37:13 u want to call me? Jul 22 01:37:28 evil desing? Jul 22 01:37:36 whats your number lol see if your long distance :P Jul 22 01:37:37 can i download openmoko-teriminal via assasin? Jul 22 01:37:41 germany :D Jul 22 01:37:44 Bish: na have to login Jul 22 01:37:51 that sux Jul 22 01:37:55 assassin only shows certain qtopia apps at the moment Jul 22 01:38:06 that sux , should have any terminal Jul 22 01:38:16 ok new code works, now to try with my SIM Jul 22 01:38:42 does this version already have the gpsd fix for the sd clock SirBob1701 ? Jul 22 01:38:59 no idea Jul 22 01:39:05 i've been playing with that to figure out Jul 22 01:39:09 gotta check diversity in a minute Jul 22 01:39:47 thats kinda nice Jul 22 01:40:03 so kernel and rootfs have own partitions , that u can write with dfu_util :P Jul 22 01:40:47 yup Jul 22 01:41:03 it wont take my phonenumbers from sim-card? Jul 22 01:41:22 w00t workin! Jul 22 01:41:53 i like the asu image more, but i think i will downgrade to gtk+ Jul 22 01:42:02 just because. terminal and apps like the brwoser Jul 22 01:42:12 but i really like that black design ! Jul 22 01:43:01 you can install minimo Jul 22 01:43:03 it works fine Jul 22 01:43:12 and i can give you a .desktop so openmoko-terminal2 works Jul 22 01:43:14 what about the media player :D? Jul 22 01:43:21 Bish: you can install the terminal Jul 22 01:43:23 there is a qtopia media player Jul 22 01:43:28 i have a little problem with my internet connection Jul 22 01:43:31 but you also need to install, enable and tweak the gtk theme Jul 22 01:43:31 my wlan is down at this moment Jul 22 01:43:36 and my usb0 bridge doesnt work :P Jul 22 01:43:44 ah Jul 22 01:43:52 withouth terminal i wont get this working Jul 22 01:44:18 and it wont get my contacts from simcard Jul 22 01:44:20 that sux too Jul 22 01:44:51 by default it should bring up usb0 as 192.168.0.202 when it's connected Jul 22 01:45:06 hehe .. and root password? Jul 22 01:45:15 anything haha Jul 22 01:45:16 *cough* empty *cough* Jul 22 01:45:17 hehe "boot"ing.. thats funny Jul 22 01:45:17 you should be able to do any configuration necessary from your main machine Jul 22 01:45:18 Bish: none Jul 22 01:45:19 its so very secure Jul 22 01:45:36 *typing empty* Jul 22 01:45:40 no empty is the wrong password Jul 22 01:45:43 :) Jul 22 01:46:02 http://pastebin.ca/1079026 Jul 22 01:46:06 Bish: i suggest them Jul 22 01:46:38 and if i want to flash the uboot i want to get in the nand menu, right? Jul 22 01:46:41 Actually you can log in by typing "empty" (or anything else) as the password Jul 22 01:46:47 * Bish wants never to brick his freerunner Jul 22 01:47:53 the qtopia version has opkg too? Jul 22 01:47:59 so assasin is just a frontend? Jul 22 01:48:04 (thanks for ya support man) Jul 22 01:48:05 yup Jul 22 01:48:18 dont have internet yet for opkg Jul 22 01:48:31 Bish: you should boot from the NOR u-boot if you are going to update the NAND version (mainly to confirm that booting from NOR actually works, as a few units seem to have been shipped without the NOR programmed correctly) Jul 22 01:49:20 mmontour: i just want to know which action results a brick Jul 22 01:50:02 Bish: were you able to get a gps lock with your 2007.2 install? Jul 22 01:50:19 As long as your NOR copy is programmed correctly, you can't brick it unless you use a debug board Jul 22 01:50:27 SirBob1701: didnt try it yet Jul 22 01:50:50 whats about NAND modu, i want to brick it with that eiter? Jul 22 01:51:59 i wanna get freaking gps working. hoping my antenna isn't fubared. Jul 22 01:52:14 gps is quite unimportand for me Jul 22 01:52:20 but i wud be a nice feature :) Jul 22 01:52:27 its a reason i bought the damn phone lol Jul 22 01:53:06 haha if u give me 100 $ i will swap :P Jul 22 01:53:07 pizza pizza pizza Jul 22 01:53:20 lol i have to see if its broke first :P Jul 22 01:53:29 mmontour: do you know how to set the gtk theme on the ASU? Jul 22 01:53:43 no idea. Jul 22 01:53:48 man thats just great Jul 22 01:53:52 i raelly really like it Jul 22 01:53:57 im awesomet ! Jul 22 01:54:07 lol told you Jul 22 01:54:14 awesome_t is not a valid type :p Jul 22 01:54:19 :D i know Jul 22 01:54:26 OR IS IT! Jul 22 01:54:29 im german, and im drunk Jul 22 01:54:29 SirBob1701: have you tried removing your micro-SD card before attempting a GPS fix? Jul 22 01:54:32 * Dave starts coding the open awesome library Jul 22 01:54:47 so excuse my bad english Jul 22 01:54:47 Elleo: once but didn't wait long let me try Jul 22 01:55:27 that's the common problem across all FreeRunners (for which there's a software fix in the latest kernel) Jul 22 01:56:14 although apparently a few also have bad antenna connections Jul 22 01:56:43 Elleo: i installed this kernel http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 22 01:56:49 err the one in that folder Jul 22 01:57:27 SirBob1701: i would like to type with my fingers, wont be able to do that, uhß Jul 22 01:57:28 that should have the gps fix then Jul 22 01:57:53 Elleo: does diversity actually get a fix or is that still unimplemented? Jul 22 01:58:14 no idea, I haven't used diversity; install the openmoko-agpsui and test with that Jul 22 01:58:28 that'll give you full info Jul 22 01:58:38 haha like that installing animation of qtopia Jul 22 01:59:06 thats awesome , man xD Jul 22 01:59:24 Elleo: i'm running agps how long should a fix take? cold start? Jul 22 01:59:34 SirBob1701: are you outside? Jul 22 01:59:36 SirBob1701: 10 mins, if your gpsd Jul 22 01:59:41 Elleo: inside Jul 22 01:59:41 is broken like all the others :p Jul 22 01:59:49 within about a minute outside Jul 22 01:59:59 inside you're likely to have trouble regardless Jul 22 02:00:22 Elleo: ok i'll have to go outside and play with it. So goodnight all until tommorrow night Jul 22 02:00:25 :D Jul 22 02:00:28 night :) Jul 22 02:00:29 good luck Jul 22 02:00:34 same to u Jul 22 02:00:35 thanks :) Jul 22 02:01:06 * Bish is thinking about going to bed with snake on his side.. fuck yes Jul 22 02:03:26 o_O Jul 22 02:03:44 Dave: the qtopia game :p Jul 22 02:03:55 OH Jul 22 02:08:14 haha /me alrready broke the system Jul 22 02:08:41 Are the new qtopia packages in the tree useful yet? Jul 22 02:08:49 Or is dual booting to qtopia the better plan? Jul 22 02:09:19 nite613: im just trying them out at this moment Jul 22 02:09:40 until now i would say dualbooting is the best but wait a second Jul 22 02:10:01 Waiting Jul 22 02:12:34 actually, all the packages are installed, now just to sort out how to try... Jul 22 02:18:58 Ok, so I have a large task ahead of me... if anyone has clues, I'm all ears. Here goes: Jul 22 02:19:29 The keyboard on the FR is ... not ideal, shall we say. I see the instructions for replacing it, but... Jul 22 02:19:55 I'd like to incorporate that into a customized "branch" of openmoko. Jul 22 02:20:03 Any clues as to where I'd start? Jul 22 02:20:32 retracile: bear with me Jul 22 02:20:48 I think this is an interesting question, as many people want to build their own images Jul 22 02:21:23 retracile: I think you need these pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Jul 22 02:21:58 Although it shouldn't really require compilation merely to change a keyboard .pkg and a couple of .conf files Jul 22 02:22:14 I'd seen the latter... I'll read through that first link... Jul 22 02:23:26 * retracile only has a *few* learning curves to climb... *sigh* Jul 22 02:24:03 guh, my GPS got really flaky Jul 22 02:24:30 it thinks the GPS time is 1999-11-30, according to TangoGPS, and fluctuates it by a few hours only without ever picking up sats. Jul 22 02:24:52 rebooting sometimes helps, but "turn gps off" -> "turn gps on" doesn't seem to Jul 22 02:27:43 cjb: I can't recall if we've discussed SDcard? Jul 22 02:27:53 yeah, I have an SD card in, and the kernel patch applied Jul 22 02:28:06 and I'm not using the SD when I try to lock Jul 22 02:28:23 And how does it run without the CDcard in? Jul 22 02:28:27 And how does it run without the SDcard in? Jul 22 02:29:12 where are the partition rootfs and kernel declined? Jul 22 02:29:20 sorry.. bad english Jul 22 02:29:33 how does uboot know.. where kernel and rootfs is? Jul 22 02:30:08 or the names of the partitions Jul 22 02:31:39 Bish any luck with the qtopia packages? Jul 22 02:31:47 nite613: not really no, im not pleased Jul 22 02:31:50 but its nice to play wit Jul 22 02:31:58 im installing the latest gtk+ image right now Jul 22 02:31:58 :) Jul 22 02:32:32 Stroller: haven't tried recently Jul 22 02:32:49 reference http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts .why I exec `set |grep DBUS` get nothing Jul 22 02:33:10 Well, I think if you're having GPS problems, cjb, you prolly need to try that to rule it out Jul 22 02:33:18 is anyone able to tell me where the partitions kernel and rootfs are declaired? Jul 22 02:33:24 or the names of them Jul 22 02:33:48 ChandleWEi: becuase you're ssh'd in? Jul 22 02:33:59 Stroller: oh please tell me:( Jul 22 02:34:28 Stroller: yes I'm in `root@om-gta02:~# set |grep DBUS` Jul 22 02:34:57 hmpfzkpf! Jul 22 02:35:04 ChandleWEi: the way I read that is that you have to do it on the on-screen keyboard Jul 22 02:35:05 pizzalicious! Jul 22 02:35:06 :D Jul 22 02:35:20 Bish: look at the 'mtdparts' environment variable and the 'dynpart' u-boot command. Jul 22 02:35:59 Stroller: let me try ,thx Jul 22 02:36:32 thanks alot :) Jul 22 02:36:39 i will have to read about it right mmontour ? Jul 22 02:38:01 You don't have to read about it, but it's probably a good idea to do so. Jul 22 02:39:17 hm.. does qtopia ever stop with the recharging bar? It's been 24 hours and its still charging (gta01) Jul 22 02:40:11 mmontour: but im able to make an own partition named.. timbuktu.. and install gentoo on it, right? Jul 22 02:42:09 Bish: maybe, but I wouldn't try it. The 'mtdparts' stuff is for the NAND flash, and for custom stuff you should start by putting it onto the SD card. There you just use partition numbers like "/dev/mmcblk0p3" and "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /uImage.bin" Jul 22 02:42:43 NAND flash = uboot right? mmontour Jul 22 02:43:21 Not "=". NAND flash is a type of memory, and u-boot is a bootloader. Jul 22 02:43:50 ChandleWEi: did that work? Jul 22 02:43:52 Bish: i think he means you shouldnt put a normal gentoo install onto the flash because it might read/write it to death Jul 22 02:43:57 mmontour: uboot is on the nand flash Jul 22 02:44:04 right Jul 22 02:44:04 ? Jul 22 02:44:04 atleast if you read/write your sd to death you can buy a new one Jul 22 02:44:12 and kernel/rootfs are on xorflash? Jul 22 02:45:02 NAND flash has: u-boot, kernel, rootfs, and some other stuff like the splash-screen that you see when you boot the phone. Jul 22 02:45:02 kernel/rootfs are on nand too Jul 22 02:45:26 NOR has a copy of u-boot that can be used if you accidentally mess up the copy that's in NAND Jul 22 02:46:23 ah .. Jul 22 02:46:33 i c .. thats why im using nor mode to copy rootfs/kernel onto it. Jul 22 02:46:40 because its just a.. copy.. ah im confused Jul 22 02:46:43 is there a package that the splash screen is in? Jul 22 02:46:52 anyone using a recent mokomakefile successfully? Jul 22 02:47:02 Stroller:I just input 'set' , I don't know how to input '|' in X ,but I find DBUS-session Jul 22 02:47:17 You load u-boot from either NAND or NOR depending on how you press the buttons when you turn it on. Once u-boot is running, anything downloaded with dfu-util goes to the NAND flash (unless you are using a debug board) Jul 22 02:47:17 oja Jul 22 02:47:39 just asking because when booting up a qtopia image it looks like it's making calls to a splash-write applet Jul 22 02:48:10 hey chilly Jul 22 02:48:18 chillywilly: The first splash screen that you see is loaded directly from NAND, and I don't think there's a package wrapper for it. The screen that you see after the kernel boots is in a package (used to be psplash but I don't know about ASU) Jul 22 02:48:20 ferric :P Jul 22 02:48:21 ChandleWEi: "I don't know how to input '|' in X " - if you mean "X" on the Freerunner, see the wiki pages about adding a keyboard Jul 22 02:48:41 Dave: :P back at cha homes Jul 22 02:49:15 if i want to change from 2007.02 to ASU, can i just flash the rootfs? Jul 22 02:49:24 I can't get the current mokomakefile to make me an fso-image, at all Jul 22 02:49:30 or do i need to flash the kernel as well? Jul 22 02:49:33 eems to die on this python-gobject stuff. Jul 22 02:49:45 LetoTo: better to flash the kernel as well Jul 22 02:49:48 Stroller: Now I have a keyboard, I just don't know how to input '|', I can input a-z,.,-?! Jul 22 02:50:09 ferric: kernel image is the "uImage" ? Jul 22 02:50:25 LetoTo: ah yes Jul 22 02:50:32 uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin Jul 22 02:50:34 LetoTo: much smaller than the rootfs :-) Jul 22 02:50:46 so that's the latest, which might be what i already have? Jul 22 02:51:05 but the Uboot only shows its version, the Boot menu does not show which uImage/kernel i have now Jul 22 02:51:07 not sure if that's the latest, sorry, check the buldhost Jul 22 02:51:29 it's from the wiki which leads to http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Jul 22 02:52:02 ChandleWEi: it depends which keyboard you're using. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards If you're using the 1-9 keyboard then edit /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf Matchbox keyboard prolly uses the shift key Jul 22 02:52:05 LetoTo: cool, use that then. i think that may be FSO, but it could be ASU too Jul 22 02:52:48 oh i see, i can use one from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 22 02:53:14 ok, the keyboard issue where the numbers 7,8,9,0 show up as {,[,],} is really starting to irk me Jul 22 02:53:21 and i think i can safely blame the germans. Jul 22 02:56:13 Stroller: that's ok thx Jul 22 02:56:18 * LetoTo hopes ASU has a terminal where you CAN type in a "/" unlike the FSO one :) Jul 22 02:59:09 Stroller: KP_0 just can input '+' ,can't input KP_0 = +;=;/;\\ Jul 22 02:59:38 ChandleWEi: yes. That's why you need to add the additional characters to KP_1 or some other key **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 22 02:59:57 2008