**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 24 02:59:56 2008 Jul 24 03:00:18 lymeca: not at present, I don't think. I don't think it's a priority Jul 24 03:00:36 Just curious Jul 24 03:00:41 SMS is supported though, correct? Jul 24 03:00:49 jtickle: in what way is TangoGPS deficient on ASU? Jul 24 03:03:11 Anyone here involved with Tumay (or any other voip application)? Jul 24 03:04:00 Stroller, to put it in a basic and somewhat noobish way, the buttons are too big Jul 24 03:04:12 I see Jul 24 03:04:26 there's a zoom in button but no zoom out because it just cant' fit, and the buttons on the bottom are awfl Jul 24 03:04:31 let me see if I can grab a screen shot Jul 24 03:04:39 It's odd, I'd have thought they were the same .pkg on both Jul 24 03:04:56 they are, but I don't think there is any theming on the gtk toolkit in asu Jul 24 03:05:04 the buttons look like stock gtk Jul 24 03:05:29 also, I get a lot of dbus errors on startup, but that doesn't seem to be negatively affecting anything Jul 24 03:05:54 also also, I don't know how to actually add tangogps to the main applications list, although honestly I haven't spent much time looking into that Jul 24 03:06:00 jtickle: you can add gtk-engine and gtk-theme then make a .gtkrc-2.0 Jul 24 03:06:07 then you will get the theme Jul 24 03:06:18 SirBob1701, cool, thanks! Jul 24 03:06:33 does exposure work for anyone? Jul 24 03:06:43 hopefully that will be added at some point... I think whatever engine and theme are used for the stock image would fit in fine Jul 24 03:06:49 SirBob1701, not for me, what is it supposed to do? Jul 24 03:06:59 no idea lol Jul 24 03:07:26 heh Jul 24 03:09:13 oh also, I vote to add "alias 'ls'='ls --color'" to /etc/profile by default :-P Jul 24 03:09:22 jtickle: install the normal gtk theme and set the font size in .gtkrc-2.0 Jul 24 03:09:58 jtickle: AntonTakk any chance one of you guys could put that one the wiki? You'll probably need to start a new page Jul 24 03:10:52 Stroller: sure, soon as my fr finishes flashing my backup so I can get the settings I used :) Jul 24 03:10:57 TY Jul 24 03:10:58 heh :-) Jul 24 03:11:09 failed the first attempt :( Jul 24 03:12:39 Stroller: happen to know where i can change the asu ring tone? Jul 24 03:14:00 * AntonTakk figures start an asu tips/hints/etc page Jul 24 03:15:41 i just wish the asu apps were faster :) Jul 24 03:15:54 I'd put it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ in the first instance. If you have enough then it can be moved to a new page Jul 24 03:16:15 I know ASU ringtone has been discussed Jul 24 03:19:27 know which list? Jul 24 03:21:00 Hmmmn... Jul 24 03:21:06 I think it might've been on here Jul 24 03:21:08 AntonTakk, http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=2960 Jul 24 03:21:24 Goole "ASU ringtone" just brings SEO spam Jul 24 03:21:37 AntonTakk, I'm looking at step 3 there Jul 24 03:21:56 and trying it out Jul 24 03:22:06 :D Jul 24 03:24:13 well - in case this flash fails, anyone know off the top of their head what fs the asu image is? ext2/3? Jul 24 03:24:32 should be jffs2? Jul 24 03:24:37 anyone got a howto for me on splicing usb cables? Jul 24 03:24:43 ah woot Jul 24 03:24:44 ... Jul 24 03:25:05 i figured that was an acronym, never heard of jffs, or jffs2 Jul 24 03:25:25 it's an unusual filesystem Jul 24 03:25:44 as I understand it, it's designed specially for flash Jul 24 03:26:02 so the reads and writes are spaced out evenly, so that hopefully your flash will last longer Jul 24 03:26:08 hopefully it's worth the trouble :) Jul 24 03:26:17 indeed Jul 24 03:26:26 anyway, I think I have it working Jul 24 03:26:39 opkg install moko-gtk-theme moko-gtk-engine Jul 24 03:26:52 yeah, but the fonts will still be hueg :) Jul 24 03:26:56 ln -s /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 Jul 24 03:26:57 and then Jul 24 03:26:58 yeah Jul 24 03:27:04 add this line to /usr/share/blah/blah/gtkrc: Jul 24 03:27:15 gtk-font-name = "Sans 4" Jul 24 03:27:18 that absolutely does it Jul 24 03:27:22 yeah, that;s it Jul 24 03:27:23 I'm looking at a beautiful TangoGPS right now Jul 24 03:27:30 :-D Jul 24 03:27:49 looks even better than on 2007.2, cause the text doesn't run over :) Jul 24 03:27:56 heh yeah... Jul 24 03:28:02 esp in openmoko-agpsui Jul 24 03:28:17 now, next issue, how to add this to the main applications list Jul 24 03:29:01 ah, i ended up doinf cp diversity.desktop tangogps2.desktop and editing tangogps2.desktop :) Jul 24 03:29:14 haha, fair enough! Jul 24 03:29:36 jtickle screen shot? Jul 24 03:30:11 railer, sure......... how do you take a screenshot in asu? Jul 24 03:30:25 AntonTakk, are you doing that wiki page? Jul 24 03:30:31 I have no idea, only used 2007.2 Jul 24 03:30:35 first you install the screen shot app from 2007.2, then.....hehe Jul 24 03:30:37 Railer! Jul 24 03:30:49 try aux button? Jul 24 03:30:58 hey dave Jul 24 03:31:11 jtickle: i can, but i'm busy praying for my backup to flash :) Jul 24 03:31:22 :) Jul 24 03:31:23 Was up today Dave Jul 24 03:31:33 busy as a mf Jul 24 03:31:38 tired as a mofo now Jul 24 03:31:41 :p Jul 24 03:31:46 and a bit wet Jul 24 03:32:01 freakin' lollercanes Jul 24 03:32:03 no kidding, up to 5 am last night marking papers Jul 24 03:32:12 lollertornados Jul 24 03:32:15 roflhail Jul 24 03:32:20 lmaostorms Jul 24 03:32:45 AntonTakk, I'll take care of it then... where should I put it? Jul 24 03:33:02 I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, you know that right Jul 24 03:33:14 jtickle: i think Stroller is right, just add an asu section to getting started Jul 24 03:33:24 ok Jul 24 03:33:57 any one in Texas? Jul 24 03:34:02 yeehaw? Jul 24 03:34:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_FAQ Jul 24 03:34:25 dave you in texas? Jul 24 03:36:09 hell no Jul 24 03:36:16 no Dave's in NJ Jul 24 03:36:32 most of the time, anyway Jul 24 03:36:49 railer, did you just reply to yourself? Jul 24 03:36:55 o.O Jul 24 03:36:58 Bro just left NJ for seattle Jul 24 03:37:08 seems like you just had a conversation with yourself :) Jul 24 03:37:09 oh well Jul 24 03:37:50 LOL: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/767625208.html Jul 24 03:37:52 Well Dave you were responding slow so I answered my question for you Jul 24 03:38:40 :D Jul 24 03:39:03 just trying to help, after all you are from NJ Jul 24 03:39:38 Stroller, what's the best way to represent stuff typed at a terminal in the wiki? some sort of {{ }} block or 
?
Jul 24 03:39:45  
Jul 24 03:39:51  thanks
Jul 24 03:44:06  Railer, is that significant somehow?
Jul 24 03:44:31  What?
Jul 24 03:44:57  Stroller, AntonTakk, updated
Jul 24 03:46:47  heya, anybody understand FSO arch
Jul 24 03:47:29  Low level stuff <--> dbus <--> apps
Jul 24 03:47:33  :)
Jul 24 03:47:57  (no, not really)
Jul 24 03:48:14  jtickle: as I understand it the question was "why are the buttons too large in TangoGPS in ASU" ??
Jul 24 03:48:45  Stroller, fair enough
Jul 24 03:49:04  Don't worry - I'll do it later
Jul 24 03:49:10  Just wanted to check
Jul 24 03:49:14 * AntonTakk prays to the dfu-util gods
Jul 24 03:50:26  well, thanks guys, I'm off to bed
Jul 24 03:50:48  Well, the Low level stuff <---Adapter---> Dbus
Jul 24 03:50:56  Adapter is written in Python, right?
Jul 24 03:51:11  adapter??
Jul 24 03:51:19  what is adapter?
Jul 24 03:51:29  Dave I was just trying to figure out what you were talking about with lmaostorms. roflhail and freakin' lollercanes?
Jul 24 03:52:00  *
Jul 24 03:52:00  Additionally self tests using DBUS interface require python (>= 2.5), dbus python bindings and gobject python bindings. Self tests for libfreesmartphone API wrapper require cython.
Jul 24 03:52:05  from the FSO wiki
Jul 24 03:52:33  Railer, there was some serious fucking weather up the east-cost today
Jul 24 03:52:36  That's all.
Jul 24 03:52:42  ah
Jul 24 03:52:59  This: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-ophoned.git;a=summary & http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=python-odeviced.git;a=summary
Jul 24 03:53:02  Python
Jul 24 03:53:03  right?
Jul 24 03:53:31  Thought it was like some sort of weird chatroom admin thing
Jul 24 03:53:47  aha
Jul 24 03:55:24  Does the FR support microSD cards that are 8GB?  Will it require a hardware or software upgrade to accomodate 16GB cards when they are released later this year?
Jul 24 03:55:50  lymeca: yes, and theoretically, no
Jul 24 03:56:02  AntonTakk: no it won
Jul 24 03:56:07  't what?
Jul 24 03:56:27  require an upgrade
Jul 24 03:56:28  couldn't they make the 16 look like 8's?
Jul 24 03:56:58  iirc, sdhc doesn't stol untill 32 g
Jul 24 03:57:03  stop
Jul 24 03:57:22  Oh okay so there should be no need for hardware OR software upgrades
Jul 24 03:57:33  but there is
Jul 24 03:57:43  there is?
Jul 24 03:57:59  no one has even tried a 16 gb sdhc card
Jul 24 03:58:15  They aren't made yet.
Jul 24 03:58:26  microSD 16GB cards are supposed to come out later this year.
Jul 24 03:58:34  exactly
Jul 24 03:58:45  so how can anyone know for sure?
Jul 24 03:58:50  It will be nice to have that much storage on them though, so you can have as much space as the most expensive iPhone.
Jul 24 03:59:05  I don't know, someone familiar with the workings of the SD standard?
Jul 24 03:59:17  and yet still have a phone that's actually cool  ;)
Jul 24 04:01:15  AntonTakk: Agreed.
Jul 24 04:05:35  any of you tried the kernel with the software gps fix yet?
Jul 24 04:05:45  Yes
Jul 24 04:05:50  and?
Jul 24 04:05:51  and the glamo mods
Jul 24 04:05:57  The first one did nothing for me
Jul 24 04:05:57  glamo mods?
Jul 24 04:06:06  the Glamo mods did benefit and was able to get a fix
Jul 24 04:06:13  though it's spotty
Jul 24 04:06:23  hrm
Jul 24 04:06:25  works for most, I believe
Jul 24 04:06:42  tested in good conditions?
Jul 24 04:06:52  As opposed to?
Jul 24 04:07:01  er
Jul 24 04:07:05  bad conditions?
Jul 24 04:07:20  I am unsure of what you are asking :)
Jul 24 04:07:24  It did work.
Jul 24 04:07:28  If not promptly.
Jul 24 04:07:46  ttff?
Jul 24 04:07:50  on a phone which previously required one to remove the sd card.
Jul 24 04:07:58  No idea, like 5-6min
Jul 24 04:08:10  certainly not promptly
Jul 24 04:10:06  hrm
Jul 24 04:10:31  Is there software for the FR that acts as a simple audio recorder, recording mic input to a file on the miroSD card?
Jul 24 04:10:33  what types of surroundings? outside vs inside, weather? etc?
Jul 24 04:11:15  lymeca: cat /dev/dsp > file.wav ? :)
Jul 24 04:11:28  Oh, interesting.
Jul 24 04:11:43  I take it /dev/dsp is the mic
Jul 24 04:11:56  Dave: testing one FR with, in the same orientation over a car journer through trees/tall buildings would be ideal. But that may not be easy. Dunno your commute if any.
Jul 24 04:12:09  one with, one without
Jul 24 04:12:22  huh?
Jul 24 04:12:28  lymeca: ime, /dev/dsp is more than one thing, depends on how you use it
Jul 24 04:12:29  I can assure you my tests are good
Jul 24 04:12:42  and I almost always test with 3 at a time
Jul 24 04:12:53  in the same location or route
Jul 24 04:13:01  women?
Jul 24 04:13:08  otherwise results could be chocked up to anything
Jul 24 04:13:30  chocky, nah, I find two is enough :)
Jul 24 04:13:51  Dave: I'm not saying they're not - just that I haven't seen you comparing positional accuracy between one with fix, and one with no SD forex
Jul 24 04:14:02  well, I can get my fr re-flashed with asu tonight and get agpsui back on it and test on the way to work in the morning w/o gps soft fixes, and friday with gps soft fixes
Jul 24 04:14:23  Ah, I see
Jul 24 04:14:36  Good point, well if we're talking accuracy between the sd/non-sd deal
Jul 24 04:14:45  sure, I could do a comparison and put up the data
Jul 24 04:14:46  positional accuracy in key situations - where GPS signal is not ideal - the urban canyon, and tree cover
Jul 24 04:15:01  in a building going up an elevator? :)
Jul 24 04:15:16  Basically any situation, those were just examples
Jul 24 04:15:51  yep
Jul 24 04:20:16  freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r06db233960f3 10/ (21 files in 10 dirs): Use of python logging module
Jul 24 04:20:37  anyone know what asu does if you have more icons on the main "screen"? than fit on the screen?
Jul 24 04:21:21  charlie137, YT?
Jul 24 04:21:30  Anyone who understands FSO here?
Jul 24 04:22:22  Dave: did the glamo fix seem to help battery life or anything else?
Jul 24 04:23:21  It should have a very minor - the clock stopping - effect on battery life.
Jul 24 04:23:43  I'd guess 30mW or so. - 1% of battery/hour
Jul 24 04:26:08  Anton, I didn't notice that.
Jul 24 04:26:19  Though it seemed to lose charge just as quickly :]
Jul 24 04:26:31  speedevil, right, something like that :)
Jul 24 04:26:42  and it doesn't matter when tango whores life anyway
Jul 24 04:27:45  SpeedEvil, how difficult would it be to sniff the UART?
Jul 24 04:27:59  I'll just follow my nose!
Jul 24 04:28:00  Errr, UART lines going out to the GSM modem
Jul 24 04:28:26  Sargun: dead easy with debug board AIUI
Jul 24 04:28:39  Without debug board
Jul 24 04:29:07  I'm trying the sniff the Dash's UART
Jul 24 04:29:10  it doesn't have debug port
Jul 24 04:29:17  for debug board
Jul 24 04:29:32  Ah
Jul 24 04:29:41  sol?
Jul 24 04:29:47  Sargun: got a board pic?
Jul 24 04:30:00  SpeedEvil, I can get one in a week or so
Jul 24 04:30:27  you can look at the FCC docs
Jul 24 04:31:16  https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=275032&fcc_id=%27EUNHXD8V2%27
Jul 24 04:47:33  good evening all
Jul 24 04:47:38  hi
Jul 24 04:56:33  there, asu with some of the best/most use full 2007.2 apps installed
Jul 24 05:08:20  Is there a flatfile that contains my addressbook?
Jul 24 05:08:40  what software?
Jul 24 05:09:56  2007.2 (dialer I guess? The data that is on my SIM card) 
Jul 24 05:10:25  One issue I have is my address book on my SIM card; my contacts are (nnn) nnn-nnnn
Jul 24 05:10:52  However when I get an incoming call it says +1 (nnn) nnn-nnnn so it doesn't recognize the name associated with each
Jul 24 05:11:06  so I'm thinking if there is a flatfile I can sed in a +1 for each
Jul 24 05:11:22  Although better to me is if I can remove the +1 from incoming?
Jul 24 05:11:52  hrm
Jul 24 05:12:38  i know 2007.2 uses evolution back ends to store data, so maybe check in ~/.evolution - tho the files will probably be in xml or some other markup
Jul 24 05:41:36  Does the FR come with a microSD card?
Jul 24 05:41:51  I think a 512M one
Jul 24 05:41:58  you want to buy a larger one probably.
Jul 24 05:42:06  Up to 8G are available.
Jul 24 05:42:09  4G are cheap.
Jul 24 05:42:44  anyone know a good site to read how to make a theme for this thing?
Jul 24 05:42:44  I can't wait for 16GB ones.  I hear they'll be out before the end of the year.
Jul 24 05:45:01 * peepsalot confirms the 512iness of the included card
Jul 24 05:45:36  I ate mine, 
Jul 24 05:47:05  hehe, this adapter that came with the FR has a date on it.  2007-07-30
Jul 24 05:47:32  ancient technology!
Jul 24 05:49:46  i'm surprised that how reliable the contacts on these little cards are.  i mean, what ever happened to the good old days of blowing into NES cartidges and wiping down the contacts with alcohol doused qtips
Jul 24 05:50:08  high contact pressure, precious metal contacts.
Jul 24 05:51:04  did they not use gold on nintendo carts?
Jul 24 05:51:26  dunno
Jul 24 05:51:58  that was before precious metals were worth what they are now
Jul 24 05:53:59  but the amount on a microSD is tiny - consider the conector volume
Jul 24 05:54:47  area I mean
Jul 24 06:07:26  Well, you can't manually modify ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db sadly
Jul 24 06:07:52  will the freerunner work with a prius bluetooth setup
Jul 24 06:08:36  and by "work" i mean be able to conduct phone calls through the car speakers/microphone connected to the fr via bt
Jul 24 06:09:26  morning
Jul 24 06:34:13  Mhm, does Navit work flawlessly on the freerunner? Otherwise, does bluetooth transmitting of GPS coordinates work well? I'm looking for a GPS unit with bluetooth both for Car and laptop use; and seeing as I will need a new phone within 6-12 months (Which hopefully openmoko has matured more) this would be cheaper than a new GPS unit AND a phone
Jul 24 06:34:33  ie fragged just needs an excuse to buy a freerunner ^^, 
Jul 24 06:44:51  ookie
Jul 24 06:45:02  ok, who here has free time, a reasonably good knowledge of linux and wifi and wants to test something?
Jul 24 06:45:21  define reasonable?
Jul 24 06:45:36  oh and I think I'm the only guy here :)
Jul 24 06:45:42  ieatlint: maybe me
Jul 24 06:45:52  *cough*
Jul 24 06:45:57  railer is a solipsist
Jul 24 06:45:57  you don't get freaked out by error messages and can give valuable feedback
Jul 24 06:46:21  railer, by reasonable I mean it doesnt crash; is able to navigate via picture and sound
Jul 24 06:46:30  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi
Jul 24 06:46:31  thats asking a lot
Jul 24 06:46:33  ieatlint: what is it you want to test?
Jul 24 06:46:36  HEY ! I'm going to go look that up and I'm coming back pissed!
Jul 24 06:46:42  'morning
Jul 24 06:46:52  :)
Jul 24 06:46:52  I suppose stability isnt a *massive* deal, so long as it crashes maybe once per 20-30 hours of driving
Jul 24 06:46:59  I teach linux if that helps
Jul 24 06:47:06  I dont want to be on the side of the road playing with my phone trying to get GPS up every 5 minutes
Jul 24 06:47:29  it isn't fully functional and is undoubtedly full of all sorts of bugs
Jul 24 06:47:32  any ideas to thin out OM for the 1973
Jul 24 06:47:53  anyway, if you're interested, let me know and i'll send a copy over
Jul 24 06:47:54  ieatlint: that looks pretty neat.  I'll definitely check it out sometime when I'm not using my wifi
Jul 24 06:47:58  fragged call back in a month, your a little premature for promises 
Jul 24 06:47:59  ieatlint, that keyboard looks so much nice displayed larger on the web page :)
Jul 24 06:48:05  nicer
Jul 24 06:48:10  hehe, yeah, doesn't it? :P
Jul 24 06:48:22  If only it was that easy to read in rl
Jul 24 06:48:31  ieatlint: can I make one suggestion off the bat?
Jul 24 06:48:39  yeah
Jul 24 06:48:55  railer, how long do you estimate till the GPS and software works to a useable point?
Jul 24 06:49:12  fragged, gps works now
Jul 24 06:49:20  when I am inputting a long WPA key it can be nice to see what I'm typing.  maybe a checkbox for unhiding ?
Jul 24 06:49:38  just write a simple init script to make it do what you want at startup
Jul 24 06:49:38  not a bad idea
Jul 24 06:49:49  gps and wifi work now but not super stable and not the way you want
Jul 24 06:50:13  what wifi chip is in the freerunner?
Jul 24 06:50:21  ieatlint: how can I get a copy of that to play with?
Jul 24 06:50:32  cdm, Atheros
Jul 24 06:50:45  I'll help too ieatlint
Jul 24 06:50:47  So if worst came to worst I could use my laptop, and have a freerunner stream gps coordinates via bluetooth or USB?
Jul 24 06:50:57  yup
Jul 24 06:50:59  http://ext.tehinterweb.com/lint-wifi.py
Jul 24 06:51:12  fragged as far as I know right now no, not at all
Jul 24 06:51:14  ieatlint: you have to promise to play my video game when it's working :P
Jul 24 06:51:17  however, you must have wpa_supplicant and udhcpc both running before starting that right now
Jul 24 06:51:25  walrustown, sure :)
Jul 24 06:51:28  k
Jul 24 06:51:32  cdm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS
Jul 24 06:51:51  i probably should have written a thing to start wpa_supplicant and all... but... meh
Jul 24 06:52:22  lint, do you own tehinterweb.com??
Jul 24 06:52:38  yeah
Jul 24 06:52:44  dude, you win
Jul 24 06:52:52  damn right :P
Jul 24 06:53:03  Sargun 
Jul 24 06:53:09  re: starting wpa_supplicant - gotta do the fun stuff first, and that kind of thing later
Jul 24 06:53:16  who is mwkathi?
Jul 24 06:53:57  ieatlint, what about for AP that do not broadcast a SSID?
Jul 24 06:54:09  ieatlint: i got wpa_supplicant working perfectly with the settings in /etc/network/
Jul 24 06:54:10  can it "ask" for a ssid?
Jul 24 06:54:20  uhm, it will able to
Jul 24 06:54:31  carrar: yeah, you issue a probe request with the SSID set
Jul 24 06:54:34  and it responds
Jul 24 06:54:36  with the SSID set
Jul 24 06:54:38  cdm, what do you have against Atheros?
Jul 24 06:54:49  nice
Jul 24 06:54:53  Sargun: They are always a day late and a dollar short in the embedded space
Jul 24 06:55:04  right now it'll only connect to networks predefined in wpa_supplicant.conf, or in the program as a "one time connect" where it'll just prompt for the password and not save it
Jul 24 06:55:09  more like 4-5 quarters late
Jul 24 06:55:25  ieatlint, i'll try installing in a minute
Jul 24 06:55:35  who cares?
Jul 24 06:55:37  They are open
Jul 24 06:56:04  people who build leading edge consumer products care...
Jul 24 06:56:20  ughh when will the GSM 900 models of the phone begin shipping again?
Jul 24 06:57:14  oh, tomorrow apparently ^^,
Jul 24 06:57:21  Well, the next day for you americans
Jul 24 06:58:30  bonjour
Jul 24 06:58:36  Sargun -- the marvel folks have a GPL driver.
Jul 24 06:58:47  haven't looked lately for the Broadcom folks's stuff.
Jul 24 06:58:53  they have the nicest driver though
Jul 24 07:01:20  i eatlink any special packages I need to run this? other than standard python?
Jul 24 07:03:26  pygtk
Jul 24 07:03:35  or python-pygtk in opkg's repositories
Jul 24 07:07:19  good morning
Jul 24 07:08:01  which framework do i choose if i want to use python for dev ?
Jul 24 07:08:18  FSO, ASU ... ?
Jul 24 07:08:49  good morning too :)
Jul 24 07:13:08  ieatlint you still here?
Jul 24 07:13:26  perhaps
Jul 24 07:13:31  depends what you have to say
Jul 24 07:13:33  got this > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display
Jul 24 07:13:47  how are you running it?
Jul 24 07:14:03  python lint-wifi.py
Jul 24 07:17:16  might be remote issues
Jul 24 07:18:11  yeah, i have my own system setup to debug it on my computer
Jul 24 07:18:37  I'm think nee to put from network one sec
Jul 24 07:18:59  whee..
Jul 24 07:19:03  so export DISPLAY=:0 should work
Jul 24 07:19:32  it does
Jul 24 07:19:36  i use it all the time ;)
Jul 24 07:19:36  ok, my habit is to specify 0.0 since that's how i learnt it
Jul 24 07:20:22  anyone have a lockup pull the battery and reinstall only to have the FR make a little tiny scream noise?
Jul 24 07:20:44  yes, it does that sometimes, but it seems to work fine
Jul 24 07:21:03  i've never managed to lock the freerunner so badly i couldn't ssh into it... it's just an UI issue
Jul 24 07:21:05  it damn creepy that's all i'm saying
Jul 24 07:21:46  I lock mine all the time, but I'm trying to run like 20 programs at a time :))
Jul 24 07:22:35  railer, its because the specs called for a soul in the FR
Jul 24 07:23:07  ieatlint: try running Tichy on debian ;) locks it up completely, no answer to pings, no ssh..
Jul 24 07:24:00  i dunno what tichy is, and i don't use debian
Jul 24 07:24:35  python ui, developed by charles
Jul 24 07:24:46  by charlie137, to be exact ;)
Jul 24 07:24:55  charlie137: hey ;) 
Jul 24 07:25:02  ah... i'm not the biggest fan of python :P
Jul 24 07:25:12  i like it more than c ;)
Jul 24 07:25:24  lint-wifi was my first real app in it...
Jul 24 07:25:36  it's definitely a lot faster, but with numerous prices
Jul 24 07:25:38  ok it's up!
Jul 24 07:26:58  nothing on the scan?
Jul 24 07:27:00  what gps navigation system would you suggest here?
Jul 24 07:27:04  yeah, by the time i actually release it, i'll make it a lot easier to use
Jul 24 07:27:16  railer, are you running it so that you can see the console output?
Jul 24 07:27:48  ah ya
Jul 24 07:28:24  figured it out I deleted my wpa supplicant erroring out
Jul 24 07:28:59  does anything need to be in the wpa_sup off the top?
Jul 24 07:29:33  uhm, i dunno... it needs to have the control interface specified
Jul 24 07:29:40  guys does anybody know why you get segfaults while executing the opkg install command?
Jul 24 07:29:40  but i don't think it needs any networks defined
Jul 24 07:30:02  ok I'll add it one sec
Jul 24 07:30:41  you don't need to connect to a network to use it, but wpa_supplicant and udhcpc need to be running in daemon modes ( "udhcpc -b" puts it in daemon mode)
Jul 24 07:31:04  wpa_supplicant then has a control program i use, and udhcpc can be told to do things by sending signals to it
Jul 24 07:31:13  ok write this stuff down
Jul 24 07:31:41  well, when i actually release it, it'll do this automatically
Jul 24 07:31:48  i'll probably put an ipkg together i guess
Jul 24 07:32:11  can I change the backight level forever?
Jul 24 07:33:12  as much and often as you want, KrisAbsinthe_-  !
Jul 24 07:33:55  i got the echo "2000" /sys/...... command ok but when the light sleeps it reawakens to the max 5600
Jul 24 07:35:38  to save further headaches you want to private message me exactly what you need in the wpa_supp incase I miss something?
Jul 24 07:36:44  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
Jul 24 07:36:49  look at the sample up there
Jul 24 07:36:53  the top block you need
Jul 24 07:37:28  just the standard 5 lines?
Jul 24 07:38:10  yep
Jul 24 07:39:36  k
Jul 24 07:41:30  is there an ipkg for navit?
Jul 24 07:42:33  ok got signal
Jul 24 07:43:07  hold on wep pass........
Jul 24 07:43:55  damn no keyboard came up
Jul 24 07:44:19  yeah, that's a known issue
Jul 24 07:44:25  lol
Jul 24 07:45:09  any suggestions?
Jul 24 07:45:31  install the keyboard applet
Jul 24 07:48:03  sorry I'll have to leave that tonight, need sleep
Jul 24 07:48:03  heh
Jul 24 07:48:15  keyboard app is 5 second install!
Jul 24 07:48:59  whats the opkg name fir that applet
Jul 24 07:49:28  matchbox-keyboard
Jul 24 07:49:43  there are a few pkg for that
Jul 24 07:50:26  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
Jul 24 07:50:39  "How to install it?"
Jul 24 07:50:43  bad programmer! spank! spank! spank! tut tut tut! ;D
Jul 24 07:51:03  one sec
Jul 24 07:51:48  http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jul 24 07:51:52  it's up
Jul 24 07:52:17  but I'll play tomorrow 2 am here time for bed
Jul 24 07:52:29  freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r57694a394afe 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/sierra/channel.py: ogsmd: [SIERRA] fix the channel to use the correct parent class
Jul 24 07:52:30 * Sargun waits for FSO devs to come online
Jul 24 07:52:48  I'll setup a unsecured tomorrow too
Jul 24 07:52:48 * Sargun wonders what jluebbe's nick is here.
Jul 24 07:53:30  night
Jul 24 07:53:41  night
Jul 24 07:58:50  damn, looks like you set up your neo a lot better than me railer :)
Jul 24 08:02:55  those aren't only from railer on that site
Jul 24 08:07:22  wurp2|truly_away: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2879 <= loooove it :-)
Jul 24 08:08:29  Ainulindale: you're going to hell
Jul 24 08:08:50  :-)
Jul 24 08:09:00  I'll be there too
Jul 24 08:09:09  As well as most of the interesting people I've met
Jul 24 08:09:43  Well, it's hot, there're cocktails, everybody should be there, shouldn't they ?
Jul 24 08:09:58  guys could somebody help me please? I would like to know if there are some environment variables loaded if you ssh to the moko
Jul 24 08:09:58  Well, everyone but the mormons
Jul 24 08:10:19  ironic_: you could run 'env'
Jul 24 08:10:23  it prints environment variables
Jul 24 08:10:52  actually, when the mormons reach hell and realise just how wrong they were, they go on a pretty good drinking binge
Jul 24 08:11:15  hm ok, the funny thing is that if i ssh to the moko and execute opkg install somePackage it works fine, but once i put the same command in a shellscript it prints me segmentation fault
Jul 24 08:11:44  i would too if you put me in a script
Jul 24 08:12:03  ieatlint: :D
Jul 24 08:12:35  ironic_: that's mighty weird.  
Jul 24 08:12:48  ironic_: maybe a timing issue?
Jul 24 08:13:18  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e7c1959a01f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and
Jul 24 08:13:19  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r405c7b4e9fe3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to the latest stable kernel
Jul 24 08:13:19  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r038b787aa4ef 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the various callscreen improvements
Jul 24 08:13:20  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f53111250ed 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Get the callscreen state transition fixes from Qtopia
Jul 24 08:13:23  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ac9db332dc2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Revert micro optimisation and improved callhandling
Jul 24 08:13:26  openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a27989feacb 10/packages/ (10 files in 2 dirs): add/update more maps
Jul 24 08:13:29  openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * re288027d4670 10/conf/checksums.ini: add/update checksums of maps
Jul 24 08:13:29  could be... what is also strange is that multiple "Installing package (0.0.1) to root..." are printed
Jul 24 08:13:32  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f9483761cc6 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task] Bump the PR of task-openmoko-feed to force a rebuild
Jul 24 08:13:33  is there a name for the main application menu in openmoko.  for the distro that comes on the FR (whatever its called)
Jul 24 08:13:35  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa60985eb14e 10/packages/efl1/ (etk/initial_viewport.patch etk_cvs.bb): [efl] etk didn't initial scrolled_view correctly.
Jul 24 08:13:44  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2df580884f02 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to 194 for GUI changed as requested by tick
Jul 24 08:13:47  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a34832ec75a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin-thumbnail] Add tick's assassin-thumbnail recipe
Jul 24 08:13:50  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7811ee84a155 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko feed] Add assassin-thumbnail to the openmoko feed
Jul 24 08:13:53  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc74963219a88 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get further improved call handling
Jul 24 08:13:56  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r58cb3efe0e3e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 193
Jul 24 08:13:59  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8a14e4c18da 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Disable parallel make for Qtopia, it is breaking...
Jul 24 08:14:12  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e50364dddee 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: [initscripts] Fork the bootmisc.sh for Openmoko
Jul 24 08:14:15  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r3baee5c127b1 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): [initscripts] Remove ldconfig call from the initscript to gain a speed increase
Jul 24 08:14:18  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3773ea5c9fc 10/packages/glibc/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [glibc] Split ld.so.conf up to allow to install other paths by other packages
Jul 24 08:14:21  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r15aa62160c6f 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Install a hint for ldconfig to find the Qtopia directory
Jul 24 08:14:24  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra9c5ad93c077 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): update illume to use new ompower and new bindings and actions for shutdown
Jul 24 08:14:37  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * re698063f4f67 10/packages/efl1/etk_cvs.bb: remove etk patch
Jul 24 08:14:40  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r6480e97df9f6 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openmoko/bootmisc.sh: disable ldconfig for faster boot
Jul 24 08:14:43  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r43228aafa925 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume - fix fullscreen windows with layering.
Jul 24 08:14:44  whoa why are all these messages coming in all the sudden
Jul 24 08:14:46  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d132ed83a8c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illum config
Jul 24 08:14:49  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r482ab232269d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up exposure to srcrev 55 to fix blank vs suspend timeout.
Jul 24 08:14:52  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0061cf7773e 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/bootmisc.sh initscripts_1.0.bb): Remove the ldconfig call from the right file. This revers/fixes up
Jul 24 08:14:59  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r666735535d3b 10/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts-1.0/openmoko/banner initscripts_1.0.bb): Move the banner change to a openmoko specific file. And remove stuff we don't use
Jul 24 08:15:02  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r78d158a9247c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Attempt at a stable kernel update.
Jul 24 08:15:05  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6a812ec9c34 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Pipe the output of qpe through the "logger" utility
Jul 24 08:15:06  looks like somebody likes to commit a bit of stuff ;)
Jul 24 08:15:10  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r66567a0a83c3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] The app to inform illume about incoming calls was never implemented, remove
Jul 24 08:15:10  peepsalot: because I just pushed a merge
Jul 24 08:15:13  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r796cfd4108ae 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the helpbrowser from the image. Qtopia should disable the Help entry
Jul 24 08:15:16  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a61a5e9dfed 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with various fixes
Jul 24 08:15:21  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4066a6fb0c19 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg] Bump up the reversion of opkg to 4528
Jul 24 08:15:24  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r69a92f70cbcb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 195
Jul 24 08:15:27  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d014cdef01c 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [assassin] Remove curl in DEPENDS of assassin
Jul 24 08:15:32  openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rddbe307415f3 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/repository-ping.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch to packagekit.
Jul 24 08:15:35  (72 lines omitted)
Jul 24 08:15:41  actually, wouldn't it be sane to have a openmoko-cia channel or such?
Jul 24 08:15:42  XorA ah makes sense, keep up the good work.  ;-)
Jul 24 08:15:56  at least a lot of opensource projects do it that way
Jul 24 08:16:54  peepsalot: the distro is calles 2007.2
Jul 24 08:17:12  and it depends what menu you mean :)
Jul 24 08:17:40  Fossi, the menu that goes: Contacts, Dialer, GPS & Map, Messages, Take Screenshot
Jul 24 08:20:34  Fossi, i actually am curious if there is a config file for this menu somewhere
Jul 24 08:23:53  peepsalot: I think that menu is hard coded into neod
Jul 24 08:24:11  it's not
Jul 24 08:24:19  peepsalot: ignore me, thinking of the wrong menu
Jul 24 08:24:45  peepsalot: that one is in /usr/share/applications or something like that
Jul 24 08:25:29  yeah
Jul 24 08:26:27  its not lunch time yet, brain doesnt work yet
Jul 24 08:26:39  ah i see, i guess it just loads all .desktop files and orders them alphabetically
Jul 24 08:28:10  3952 good 70 fail 7025 total
Jul 24 08:28:14  gps with sd card
Jul 24 08:28:25  much love to openmoko
Jul 24 08:28:57  peepsalot: if you deactivate reduced mode you also have categories
Jul 24 08:44:05  http://your.rogers.com/business/productsservices/wireless/index.asp
Jul 24 08:45:40  ok guys i fixed the bug with the segfault. the problem was that if you just type 'ssh root@192.168.0.202 "cd /tmp/; opkg install somePackage"' it will not load all the environment variables as it would do if you normally ssh into the moko. you need to load . /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh in order to get it working. just thought you guys might want to know
Jul 24 08:47:26  ah, yeah, you don't get a shell if you tell it to execute a program
Jul 24 08:48:56  ieatlint: i think it would give you a fake-shell if you submit the -t argument, but thats not enough somehow...
Jul 24 08:49:23  there's no point, it'd just use system resources
Jul 24 08:49:54  Hello. How to import contacts from vCards?
Jul 24 08:50:13  anyway thank you for the tip ieatlint 
Jul 24 08:52:14  Or at least where they are stored?
Jul 24 09:11:21  hmmm. this update killed the openmoko
Jul 24 09:12:00  something with exquisite-ipc
Jul 24 09:12:16  well, i just installed the invisbleshield on my neo... just the screen (bought whole body, but i don't feel up to doing more than the screen right now)
Jul 24 09:12:41  unless told, you wouldn't know it was there
Jul 24 09:12:42  whats an invisibleshield?
Jul 24 09:12:48  zagg.com
Jul 24 09:13:07  openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2e23f2c4324d 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-setuptools[-native] 0.6c8 fix log usage bug
Jul 24 09:13:07  it's a covering of sorts to make it [nearly] scratchproof
Jul 24 09:13:15  ieatlint: I'll receive mine in a few days now
Jul 24 09:13:24  ieatlint: is it still easy to use the screen ?
Jul 24 09:13:29  full body or just the screen?
Jul 24 09:13:43  freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r460541baf9e9 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): continue with the SMS interface
Jul 24 09:13:46  your finger does drag slightly more
Jul 24 09:14:09  but if you couldn't compare it to without the shield, you wouldn't know anything was wrong
Jul 24 09:14:26  really, i don't even see edges
Jul 24 09:14:38  smudges less too i think
Jul 24 09:15:07  hm, are there pictures anywhere with just the invisibleshield?
Jul 24 09:15:11  cant find any
Jul 24 09:15:22  what do you mean by just the invisbleshield?
Jul 24 09:15:26  It's clear plastic.
Jul 24 09:15:32  you can't see it when it's on.
Jul 24 09:15:36  ieatlint: full body for me
Jul 24 09:15:40  Similar to the ones I'm selling.
Jul 24 09:16:03  well, it'll change the texture of the surface (except for the screen, which is already glossy)
Jul 24 09:16:09  Though I don't know if the invisibleshield ones go properly under teh display.
Jul 24 09:16:30  ieatlint: mine are pretty much similar to the existing screen - I couldn't tell any difference.
Jul 24 09:16:30  under... well, you don't have to remove casing to install it
Jul 24 09:16:47  yeah, i can't tell any difference in appearance on the screen at all
Jul 24 09:17:02  meh
Jul 24 09:17:05  I prefer that method of installation - there is no hastle with getting it down exactly right, and it can be easily removed, and there is no line round the edge.
Jul 24 09:17:08  still 3 weeks until i get my FR
Jul 24 09:17:09  i was all afraid of putting it on wrong... like when you put a sticker on something, and you fuck up
Jul 24 09:17:25  ieatlint: no problem
Jul 24 09:17:32  ieatlint: it just comes right off if you want.
Jul 24 09:17:34  yeah, indeed, it slides into place
Jul 24 09:17:36  the spray you put on allows you to slide it around
Jul 24 09:17:47  if i can get to the edge of the damned thing to peel it off, sure
Jul 24 09:18:06  ieatlint: that's why I like the in the case method - you can leave 1mm sticking out.
Jul 24 09:18:12  i did read that the invisibleshield leaves a tiny edge i.e. doesn't cover it completely
Jul 24 09:18:22  but i don't think it's very noticeable unless you're looking close
Jul 24 09:18:29  but then you have to disassemble the case... i tend to scratch things when i attempt that
Jul 24 09:19:10  trix, yeah, but i wouldn't know it wasn't just the edge of the screen
Jul 24 09:19:19  It's really easy to dissasemble.
Jul 24 09:19:25  Takes me about a couple of mins.
Jul 24 09:20:30  "in function: ecore_event_handler_del()" "input handle pointer is null", is that a known error and what causes it?
Jul 24 09:20:31  well, i don't believe in the uk, and as such i refuse to buy products from people who live in such an obviously fake place
Jul 24 09:20:41  lol
Jul 24 09:20:52  anyone knows where to get those in .de / eu?
Jul 24 09:21:23  i think there should be plenty of sellers
Jul 24 09:21:39  it's not like the screen of the moko had a weird dimension
Jul 24 09:21:51  I don't believe in the UK, either, but the police here still beat me up if I don't pay my taxes
Jul 24 09:22:00 * SpeedEvil ships protectors internationally for $5
Jul 24 09:22:05  (the inside-the case sort)
Jul 24 09:22:14  shop?
Jul 24 09:23:18  it's like a house where things are sold, phrozen77 
Jul 24 09:23:30  O RLY?
Jul 24 09:23:32  :)
Jul 24 09:23:49 * Stroller nods nods nods
Jul 24 09:23:49  ok, let me get more precise: whats the url for the shop, SpeedEvil 
Jul 24 09:23:50  RLY
Jul 24 09:23:54  NO WAI
Jul 24 09:24:18  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:SpeedEvil
Jul 24 09:24:40  lol
Jul 24 09:24:44  Shop:SpeedEvil
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Jul 24 09:24:51 * Stroller thinks you should register SpeedevilShoppe.com
Jul 24 09:24:51  hmmm. why do i have enlightenment stuff installed if i just updated the 2007.2?
Jul 24 09:25:16  phr3ak: oops.
Jul 24 09:25:18  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil
Jul 24 09:25:28  YeOldeSpeedevilShoppe.com
Jul 24 09:26:25 * Stroller kicks his monitor in frustration
Jul 24 09:26:37  .
Jul 24 09:26:39  humm
Jul 24 09:26:46  and how am i supposed to buy from that... shop?
Jul 24 09:26:53  On, on, damnit!
Jul 24 09:27:32  Well, what you do, phrozen77, is you give the shoppe-keeper money, and he gives you the goods.
Jul 24 09:27:36  Basically, I haven't arranged a payment solution, so it's PM me for paypal address.
Jul 24 09:27:37 * Stroller hands SpeedEvil $5
Jul 24 09:27:47  hmmm. seems like something in the last update deinstalled X
Jul 24 09:28:14  Sorry, I'll be really irritating until this other monitor comes on
Jul 24 09:28:35  fobos: graphics? On a phone? Who'd need that? :)
Jul 24 09:29:00  well, not me
Jul 24 09:29:06  at least not now
Jul 24 09:29:14  erlang is much more important
Jul 24 09:29:24  framebuffer graphics? On a phone? No! Someone's already implemented that! We must make life HARDER!
Jul 24 09:31:49 * BDo dreams about a phone shell and a VT100 like user interface...
Jul 24 09:33:01  http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/36076.html
Jul 24 09:34:01  The first rule of Iphone's SDK is - you do not talk about Iphone's SDK. The second rule of Iphone's SDK is - you DO NOT talk about Iphone's SDK.
Jul 24 09:35:20  why is there gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling?
Jul 24 09:35:36  and which of the two (incompatible) versions am i supposed to use?
Jul 24 09:36:03  I think default version on 2007.2 is gtk+-fastscaling
Jul 24 09:36:19  seems like it
Jul 24 09:36:33  then, there seems to be a newer version of gtk+ around
Jul 24 09:37:14  Yep
Jul 24 09:37:16  SpeedEvil: do the 5$ for the screen protector include shipping; what trox screwdriver is needed to open the freerunner; payment is only paypal?
Jul 24 09:37:22  Ainulindale, have fun installing the full body for the thing
Jul 24 09:37:30  i just putt he back piece on... real fucking bitch
Jul 24 09:38:03  Hard to do ?
Jul 24 09:39:12  bumbl: you need a 6x40
Jul 24 09:39:24  a bit doesn't work
Jul 24 09:39:51  oh, now that i deinstalled exquisite, it 'boots'
Jul 24 09:39:54  Ainulindale, kinda
Jul 24 09:40:03  there's nothing good to align it with
Jul 24 09:40:27  and then parts start peeling off as it dries
Jul 24 09:40:47  That's because you're supposed to apply pressure on round parts
Jul 24 09:40:53  then it reaches a mostly dry state, where it suddenly finishes easily
Jul 24 09:41:09  yeah, you just try applying pressure on the ENTIRE edge of the neo
Jul 24 09:41:17  (it hangs over the sides slightly)
Jul 24 09:41:21  I have palms instead of hands
Jul 24 09:41:32  bumbl: yes
Jul 24 09:41:37  and do it without making more issues by moving the plastic
Jul 24 09:41:39  (I'm not sure it's the proper english word though :-) )
Jul 24 09:41:51  Fossi: what's a 6x40? I have here trox screwdrivers labelled 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 40
Jul 24 09:42:00  It's a T6
Jul 24 09:42:06  I think 40 refers to length
Jul 24 09:42:39  well, my installation is not perfect, but it's not at all bad
Jul 24 09:42:40  ah ok
Jul 24 09:43:03  you can't apply it in one sitting
Jul 24 09:43:18  ieatlint: meaning the whole shield ?
Jul 24 09:43:22  Or just one part ?
Jul 24 09:43:23  yeah
Jul 24 09:43:41  i installed the screen piece and the back piece
Jul 24 09:43:47  ieatlint: but it doesn't seem that hard hearing what you're telling us
Jul 24 09:43:51  there are several side pieces and then a front bezel piece left
Jul 24 09:44:13  yeah, not too bad, it was just annoying at first
Jul 24 09:44:34  Is it possible to put fingerprints beneath the protection ?
Jul 24 09:44:42  Ainulindale: if you really want to.
Jul 24 09:44:43  Or do their special spray gets rid of that ?
Jul 24 09:44:53  SpeedEvil: Yeah that's my ultimate purpose :-)
Jul 24 09:44:59  Ainulindale: you should probably clean the screen first.
Jul 24 09:45:41  SpeedEvil: But when it'll be clean, if I put my fingers on the shield, beneath it, will it mark ? or will the spray dissolve the marks ?
Jul 24 09:45:54  (Just curious there)
Jul 24 09:46:06  (I don't have it yet)
Jul 24 09:46:10  Ainulindale: I'm unsure - I've never used the spray.
Jul 24 09:46:25  If you mean do marks go through the shield, then no.
Jul 24 09:46:45  Nope that wasn't my question
Jul 24 09:46:54  When trying to put the protection on the screen
Jul 24 09:47:10  The common problem is that you put some fingerprints beneath the protection
Jul 24 09:47:14  On the sticky side
Jul 24 09:47:25  You don't touch that.
Jul 24 09:47:26  (I'm clumsy, so it's at least my problem)
Jul 24 09:47:34  Ainulindale, i cleaned the surface thoroughly
Jul 24 09:47:38  SpeedEvil: So it will mark then
Jul 24 09:48:02  but the spray does prevent fingerprints
Jul 24 09:48:13  (I didn't know if the shield itself was sticky or if the spray was the sticky thing)
Jul 24 09:48:20  Ainulindale: wear some powder free latex gloves and the skin oils on the sticky side of the protection shouldn't be an issue i would imagine
Jul 24 09:48:20  ieatlint: nice then
Jul 24 09:48:23  the shield is
Jul 24 09:48:30  the spray is something very neutral
Jul 24 09:48:33  might be rubbing alcohol
Jul 24 09:48:44  well, no, it has no smell
Jul 24 09:48:57  Could you take a picture of your freerunner with its condom on, when you're done ? :-)
Jul 24 09:49:04  it says on it that swallowing it or getting it in your eyes is "not harmful"
Jul 24 09:49:22  bumbl: the screws are really tiny
Jul 24 09:49:38  Ainulindale, yeah, sure
Jul 24 09:49:54  the back as a very distinct glossy finish now
Jul 24 09:49:58  has
Jul 24 09:50:19  QEMU images run entirely too slow, I need to find a way to come up with the money and just buy the dang phone already
Jul 24 09:50:25  t6s are very cheap on eaby
Jul 24 09:50:27  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Lot-of-10-T6-Torx-Screwdriver-for-Mobile-Cell-Phone_W0QQitemZ200236664178QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL080706104a26757
Jul 24 09:50:28  hi
Jul 24 09:50:49  i get this error when compiling glibc: configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check
Jul 24 09:51:04  they are very cheap in the hardware store as well ;)
Jul 24 09:52:40  ieatlint: i actually like it having 'grip', i guess that gets lost with the protection cover or not?
Jul 24 09:58:04  bleh, stupid unreliable wifi bridge
Jul 24 09:58:14  just lost connection..
Jul 24 09:58:55  Fossi, i'm not screwing too much with it right now, but supposedly it makes it grip better
Jul 24 09:59:18  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r84291a1dbae9 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: yank unsolicited messages from non-unsolicited channels
Jul 24 09:59:18  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5db55f911bf9 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: reenable some of the supressed debug log output and fix repr() issues
Jul 24 09:59:18  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r85dff7f503bd 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: add unicodeToString()
Jul 24 09:59:20  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r604a3a035ec8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: decode text to string before handing it to the modem
Jul 24 10:02:08  does the keyboard on the freerunner work better than the one on the QEMU emulator? the emulator has a tendency not to respond to keystrokes or respond with the wrong character
Jul 24 10:02:15  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb169ba761de5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix dumb typo
Jul 24 10:08:24  is it save or reasonable to update ubooot to the latest version?
Jul 24 10:11:00  don't you need a debug board to update uboot?
Jul 24 10:11:32  because, as i understand it, it is "reasonably" safe, but one of those things you don't upgrade unless you damn well know why you're upgrading it
Jul 24 10:11:58  you don't need a debug board to update u-boot
Jul 24 10:12:02  afaik you are able to update the uboot in nand without debug board throug nor
Jul 24 10:12:18  if you want to update nor uboot you need the debug board
Jul 24 10:12:24  but you have to be suere what are you doing
Jul 24 10:12:49  if you update a bad image, then you need a debug board to safely unbrick your FR
Jul 24 10:13:35  but my question was because there was afaik a fix which allows you to run your freerunner with usb without akku
Jul 24 10:14:08  yes though without gsm
Jul 24 10:16:42  openmoko: 03jeremy * r83e1676476b1 10/src/plugins/mediaengines/gstreamer/gstreamerplaybinsession.cpp: [Gstreamer plugin] Make the first ringtone playing be instant.
Jul 24 10:30:14  openmoko: 03zecke * r3a77c293f036 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [callscreen] Attempt to fix a crash we see on the device
Jul 24 10:43:43  Can I change the root password to something more secure or is something depending on this (I hope not - it would be a really bad idea)?
Jul 24 10:44:34  No - it's going to be blank forever, so everyone can use the phone!
Jul 24 10:44:36  :)
Jul 24 10:44:42  Seriously, changing is a good plan.
Jul 24 10:46:10  I like the "blank" idea >:)
Jul 24 10:50:15  yeah, i need to fix that before linuxworld
Jul 24 10:50:24  lest everyone feel like logging into my phone
Jul 24 10:50:38  Add a guest account.
Jul 24 10:50:48  And webserver.
Jul 24 10:52:35  lol
Jul 24 10:52:57  the webserver isn't a bad idea :P
Jul 24 10:57:39  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r12b2dff13759 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: numberToPhonebookTuple() now handles unicode strings as well
Jul 24 11:01:13  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcabb893f76fc 10/ChangeLog: mention logging conversion in ChangeLog
Jul 24 11:02:41  I receive an SMS. However If I try to read it it close the application (crashes?). Is it known bug?
Jul 24 11:04:36  uzytkownik, did you take a look in the bug tracking system?
Jul 24 11:06:26  Sup3rkiddo: With phrases I think about - yes
Jul 24 11:07:38  I think this may be related to non-ASCII characters
Jul 24 11:08:51  Stroller: Will installing the locales fix it?
Jul 24 11:09:01  No, I don't think so.
Jul 24 11:09:19  I think the best thing to do is put the SIM in another
Jul 24 11:09:23  Whusp.
Jul 24 11:09:33  Stroller: Can I read it from command line?
Jul 24 11:10:22  I think the best thing to do is  get someone to send you a text containing only abc...zABC...Z - no umlauts or accents and see if you can read it. You might need to put the SIM in another phone & delete the crashy message
Jul 24 11:11:03  uzytkownik: I'm sure you can, but I don't know how. If you find out, please let me know & I'll put it on the wiki. You might ask on -dev or -cdevel
Jul 24 11:14:36  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6da14d61a433 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: add "others" menu submenu
Jul 24 11:27:18  anyone know what causes the triggering of the kayboard to pop up, is it some dbus message being sent?
Jul 24 11:27:26  any docs anywhere?
Jul 24 11:28:24  keyboard*
Jul 24 11:34:09  hi kids
Jul 24 11:34:58  hi
Jul 24 11:35:10  anyone know how long time it takes to do opkg upgrade on a new phone
Jul 24 11:35:36  http://pastebin.com/m557dd1b6
Jul 24 11:35:43  pazante: depends a lot
Jul 24 11:36:30  it have been standing stil for like an hour is this normal
Jul 24 11:37:18  pazante: check if the connection is still active 
Jul 24 11:46:13  w00t compiling on board rocks!  
Jul 24 11:46:21  a 2000-line application compiles in 46 seconds.
Jul 24 11:46:23  heh
Jul 24 11:46:31  try compiling qtopia 
Jul 24 11:46:39  not terribly great, but not bad either .. considering its a full GTK app with cairo/rsvg, etc.  
Jul 24 11:46:44  and no mokomakefile involved!
Jul 24 11:47:04 * torpor abandons his mokomakefile setup .. 
Jul 24 11:47:12  don't wanna wait for that thing no more. 3 days to finish a build, pfft...
Jul 24 11:47:22  compile-on-board == get started writing code now ..
Jul 24 11:48:11  Does anyone have that DHL link from pulster with shipping information?
Jul 24 11:48:13  python == get started now ;)
Jul 24 11:48:45  mjr: trudat!
Jul 24 11:49:47  python == get started now && why is this application so slow
Jul 24 11:59:14  hell yeah:
Jul 24 11:59:17  Jul 24 13:19:18 om-gta02 user.err gpsd[1354]: gpsd: internal error - too many satellites!
Jul 24 11:59:27  :)
Jul 24 12:04:28  not funny
Jul 24 12:06:34  something has to very wrong for it to say too many satellites
Jul 24 12:08:56  kill -9 satellite[50..70]
Jul 24 12:09:52  and the thingie managing starting applications has died again, too
Jul 24 12:19:50  heya
Jul 24 12:20:16  i miss when $1 was €1
Jul 24 12:24:34  then again, all you EMU peoples wish you never went to the euro
Jul 24 12:25:35  too many satellites = "that's no moon!"
Jul 24 12:26:03  hehe
Jul 24 12:26:46  here's a real thing... gps satellites are in a high orbit, the ISS is in a low orbit, so in theory you can get gps signals in the ISS
Jul 24 12:26:56  don't you just wonder what a gps would say?
Jul 24 12:27:25  Hello
Jul 24 12:27:27  I guess inside the ISS you won't have much of a reception due to all the shielding
Jul 24 12:27:36  Is it possible to disabled the clock applet on the startscreen?
Jul 24 12:27:42  yeah, that idea did cross my mind
Jul 24 12:27:57  still, outside the shielding... it would be interesting...
Jul 24 12:30:10  if i ever go to space, i'm so going to get smashed, bring my girlfriend for sex and try a gps
Jul 24 12:30:15  i'll let you know how it goes
Jul 24 12:30:47  we look forward to a sappy story
Jul 24 12:30:58  well, civilian gps receivers are required to stop functioning above a certain altitude and speed :]
Jul 24 12:31:25  damn censorship
Jul 24 12:31:34  Stop workin its the LAW
Jul 24 12:32:02  no, that's my sister and i'm suing her ass
Jul 24 12:32:10  (by us import/export regulations at least, don't know if there are devices available that don't restrict this anyway)
Jul 24 12:32:54  Well... the openmoko itself isn't particularly well shielded, could it handle all the charged particles in LEO?
Jul 24 12:33:00  mjr, so the gps receiver is actually aware of my altitude/speed?
Jul 24 12:33:49  quickdev: yes the instructions are here :  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface:_clock.2C_keyboard...   but you will be doing it the other way round so swap true and false in the instructions :)
Jul 24 12:33:52  leinirAWAY, certanly it's made in taiwan
Jul 24 12:34:06  HauDyrArb: This is of course true ;)
Jul 24 12:34:23  don't you mean china?
Jul 24 12:34:27  :P
Jul 24 12:34:44  ieatlint, maby i do maby i dont
Jul 24 12:35:25  you're danish... what do you know? :P
Jul 24 12:35:44  And now you'll never know, because he was an optical illuuuusion! ;)
Jul 24 12:35:49  i was in copenhagen on the night baghdad was "liberated" and there were people celebrating
Jul 24 12:36:01  taiwan/china whatever
Jul 24 12:36:23  they all look the same over there
Jul 24 12:36:40  i think they look the same over there too
Jul 24 12:36:56  Tig|, thank you very much!
Jul 24 12:37:06  no problem :)
Jul 24 12:38:21  hmm. this bitbake thing is getting over my head
Jul 24 12:39:04  I don't know how but the key mapping changed. As a result Instead of 0 I get {. How to fix it?
Jul 24 12:39:05  besides, HauDyrArb, you're in scandinavia, you should be using nokia or ericsson
Jul 24 12:39:27  uzytkownik, known bug, it appears when you plug in a usb cable
Jul 24 12:39:32  cph ftw
Jul 24 12:39:45  my other car *ahem* phone is a SE
Jul 24 12:40:00  ERROR: Could not inherit file classes/autotools.bbclass while parsing ... does that mean that i have to install MokoMakefile?
Jul 24 12:40:10  ieatlint: Ok. I was afraid I've changed something in configuration
Jul 24 12:40:17  blame the germans, and their keyboards that have 7-0 as {[]}
Jul 24 12:40:45  ieatlint: But what it has in common with USB?
Jul 24 12:41:11  i've absolutely no idea
Jul 24 12:41:40  i just know that my german keyboard has 7-0 as {[]} when i press alt-gr + 7-0
Jul 24 12:41:57  and i know that it's a known issue when a usb cable is plugged in (even if it's just the wall charger)
Jul 24 12:42:18  uzytkownik: USB keyboards, silly!
Jul 24 12:43:03  Stroller: In this case usb charger...
Jul 24 12:43:20  ieatlint,  i prefer Sony Ericsson over Nokia
Jul 24 12:43:31  uzytkownik: yeah. The Freerunner software just needs to learn the difference, right?
Jul 24 12:43:47  Has anyone used the precompiled qemu and openmoko build for Windows? Running it under Virtual Box and its not redrawing ANYTHING unless I move the window
Jul 24 12:44:15  I prefer Sony Ericsson over Nokia if we're nominating a cellphone manufacturer who should be tortured slowly before being banished to the most painful depths of hell
Jul 24 12:44:17  i've liked my nokias
Jul 24 12:44:28  although my nokia n80 essentially died after 2 years
Jul 24 12:44:34  I always found Nokias easy to use
Jul 24 12:44:44  I just really dislike Sony-E
Jul 24 12:44:58  the screen "failed" ... i think it's a loose lcd cable
Jul 24 12:45:02  Stroller: May be - I'm not OM dev so I don't know internals but shouldn't nothing change on-screen keyboard?
Jul 24 12:45:17  need to open it and reseat the cable, as the lcd works at times, and other times just displays white
Jul 24 12:45:25  ieatlint: true
Jul 24 12:45:28  (phone functions still work fully, just lcd)
Jul 24 12:45:36  Sorry. uzytkownik: true
Jul 24 12:45:44  Stroller, it's a tough call really, as I believe both are deserving of that aforementioned honor
Jul 24 12:46:14  but since it's _sony_ ericsson, maybe they'd get preference
Jul 24 12:46:31  yeah, i'm no real sony myself
Jul 24 12:46:56  bleh, sony fan
Jul 24 12:47:04  i'm into a bit of beer and some rum
Jul 24 12:47:10  As far as the phones go, the Nokia Linux Tablet sent nokia down the toilet for me. I'm not gonna buy a pocket computer in 2007/08 that doesnt have GSIM capabilities 
Jul 24 12:47:18  i like nokia's development
Jul 24 12:47:39  i miss the audiobook player... i need to add an app for that to the FR
Jul 24 12:48:51  i learnt that when i am sitting a bus or train, or driving, that playing an audio book over a bluetooth headset is actually quite nice
Jul 24 12:48:58  i have had my SE K500i for 4 years now and it's still working battery and all its totaly scratched but no prob.
Jul 24 12:49:41  ieatlint: audiobook and reasonable pdf reader, that's what we do need, yes :)
Jul 24 12:49:59  yeah, pdf support is indeed needed
Jul 24 12:50:02  a decent phonebook would be cool too
Jul 24 12:50:08  xpdf really shouldn't be too hard to power
Jul 24 12:50:10  blah
Jul 24 12:50:11  port
Jul 24 12:50:13  ieatlint: also those functioning with rss-reader
Jul 24 12:50:25  Is it possible to manually send the phone to suspend?
Jul 24 12:50:25 * dlowe hasn't had his coffee yet.
Jul 24 12:50:35  ieatlint: iirc there's some pdf reader already, but haven't tried it yet
Jul 24 12:50:37  ieatlint: Well, we're kinda hoping to make a mobile companion to amarok at some point... and now the FR is out, that wish might actually come true :) And one of the things that's gotten a lot of work in this new version of the 'rok is audiobook support :) Much niftiness is happening on that front :)
Jul 24 12:51:09  leinir: heh, true
Jul 24 12:51:22  leinir: and since Plasma does run on it...
Jul 24 12:51:23  amarok is decent, but i always regarded it as a bit big
Jul 24 12:51:41  to my knowledge, amarok doesn't support audiobooks either
Jul 24 12:52:00  ieatlint: Well yes, hence why it'll be a mobile companion - we're not going to do this for the FR ;) http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3575
Jul 24 12:52:21  i may end up writing an audiobook app for my own use for the time being
Jul 24 12:52:23  Amarok 1.4 didn't do audiobooks particularly well :)
Jul 24 12:52:31  first i need to recompile bluez with alsa support though
Jul 24 12:52:40  But one of our SoK students is doing amazing things with that :)
Jul 24 12:53:02  SoK?
Jul 24 12:53:04  i use rockbox for listning to audiobooks its the best
Jul 24 12:53:14  you german and spelling coding with a k, or something else? :
Jul 24 12:53:16  :P
Jul 24 12:53:22  ieatlint: Summer Of Kode, KDE ;)
Jul 24 12:53:23  summer of kde? :P
Jul 24 12:53:43  ieatlint: 'tis Kool
Jul 24 12:53:53  i do like kde
Jul 24 12:54:18  use it over gnome, but i do admit that gnome is better for system resources, even if too many people insist on trying tp pronounce the g
Jul 24 12:54:30  ieatlint: Summer of KDE, yeah, basically it's for people who had projects that were really cool, but some one reason or another ended up not getting a GSoC spot :)
Jul 24 12:55:07  i'd curse google, but i still want to work for them
Jul 24 12:55:08  it would be nice if you could port RockBox to OM
Jul 24 12:55:30  ieatlint: heh, it's hard to measure, for me the KDE has seen to be most light in name of usability
Jul 24 12:55:49  HauDyrArb, the verb is probably "compile", not port
Jul 24 12:56:26  Tm_T, well, as i said, i use kde... have for the past 2 years, but i still see it as having a larger footprint
Jul 24 12:56:26  leinir: any plans made already regarding mobile companion?
Jul 24 12:56:36  i just have system specs where kde's footprint isn't an issue
Jul 24 12:56:42  meh there is the sound part and it dont use X but maby your right
Jul 24 12:56:50  but for the FR, where resources are prime... i'd worry about kde
Jul 24 12:56:52  ieatlint: hmm, it's smaller than GNOME in my system
Jul 24 12:57:00  ieatlint: oh well, as said, hard to measure
Jul 24 12:57:21  Tm_T: Actual plans, no :) i've some idea to start poking at that stuff at Akademy, let's see what happens :)
Jul 24 12:57:23  ieatlint: btw, I used KDE with 32 and 64 MB ram so... hrrrr
Jul 24 12:57:27  well, i think running a real window manager on the FR is stupid, and i imagine we'd all agree
Jul 24 12:57:45  we all know we're better off with a minimal interface
Jul 24 12:57:48  leinir: heh, shame I have to skip Akademy again this year
Jul 24 12:57:55  Tm_T: Aww, why?
Jul 24 12:58:05  running amarok on an n810 works just great, I haven't tried it on an openmoko device yet...
Jul 24 12:58:06  ieatlint: I rather have real window manager which isn't getting my way
Jul 24 12:58:09  (not why is it a shame, rather why can't you go ;) )
Jul 24 12:58:29  Tm_T, well, there are a lot of people who have got xfce running on it
Jul 24 12:58:34  Mek: It's a VGA screen, Amarok is designed for 1024x768 ;)
Jul 24 12:58:44  if you consider xfce to be a real manager
Jul 24 12:58:46  leinir: family and work, had new home a month ago, having a baby in few months, had new job this month etc etc...
Jul 24 12:59:03  Tm_T: Ah, yeah i see that might stop you a bit :)
Jul 24 12:59:07  ieatlint: even WindowMaker is real for me :)
Jul 24 12:59:08  eek, you got your hands full
Jul 24 12:59:16  i loved windowmaker :)
Jul 24 12:59:33  ieatlint: I do, and then I also try to be Ubuntu AND KDE developer, and now I have this new FR and... hrrrr
Jul 24 12:59:46  hehe
Jul 24 13:00:08  i'm a gentoo guy myself... not much to develop
Jul 24 13:00:23  but have to say, I love my family and have loved my new work thus far
Jul 24 13:00:38  i'm learning python/pygtk on the fly (i'm also a c/++ guy) for some quick FR apps
Jul 24 13:01:17  \o/
Jul 24 13:01:25 * Dave high-fives ieatlint
Jul 24 13:01:35  :)
Jul 24 13:02:14  i know c, c++ (including OOP) and wrote an advanced python/pygtk app in essentially 3 days... but i can't even get a job doing tech support
Jul 24 13:02:16  so sad..
Jul 24 13:02:33  Dave, ieatlint http://jj.am/gallery/d/39452-1/NiceGorillaSharkHighFive.png
Jul 24 13:02:43  ieatlint: I can't do a thing, but don't tell my boss ;)
Jul 24 13:03:00  hhee
Jul 24 13:03:07  am i the gorilla or the fish?
Jul 24 13:03:24  haha
Jul 24 13:03:30  what the fuck?
Jul 24 13:03:33  ieatlint: ok, truth, I know a bit this and that, now learning Python in hard way :)
Jul 24 13:03:59  well, what i need is to get the right connections
Jul 24 13:04:23  i've no degree, and my resumé is 3 years empty and counting (a father with cancer does that)
Jul 24 13:04:23  openmoko: 03tick * rb5eca8a81ee8 10/ (11 files in 5 dirs): [QEmailSupport] adding a hasEmailSupport Feature
Jul 24 13:04:23  openmoko: 03tick * r55a7d0215d3d 10/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/qtopia
Jul 24 13:04:38  ;\
Jul 24 13:05:09  ieatlint: I'm now doing server side of "will be large" mobile service, and I'm planning to do/port client to FR too so we'll see if I learn enough, hrrr
Jul 24 13:05:16  am volunteering in the openmoko booth at linuxworld, i feel like i should go get some business cards made with my contact details to hand out
Jul 24 13:05:30  ieatlint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQcv3ETEQdM
Jul 24 13:05:32  ieatlint: I know the feeling, I got my job via fellow ubunteros
Jul 24 13:05:33  python is easy, i wouldn't worry
Jul 24 13:05:37  This video is pretty amazing (it's about invisible shield)
Jul 24 13:05:44  :P
Jul 24 13:05:55  Ainulindale, no one wants to see it.
Jul 24 13:06:03  ieatlint: I'm worrying what have the guy before me done, 'tis a mess ;)
Jul 24 13:06:10  unless they put it in a blender ;)
Jul 24 13:06:13  if you know another programming language, you can basically guess python, and look at a reference manual for syntax
Jul 24 13:06:26  ieatlint: yup, that's the easy part :)
Jul 24 13:06:37  ieatlint, great, teach me python? :D
Jul 24 13:06:53 * Dave offers payment in pizza and beer
Jul 24 13:06:55  although it needs to better support c programmers :P
Jul 24 13:07:03  heh
Jul 24 13:07:05  i spend at least 2 hours trying to figure out how to do a struct
Jul 24 13:07:32  spent
Jul 24 13:07:33  you should send an angry email to Van Rossum, explaining how he should change it
Jul 24 13:07:38  haha yeah
Jul 24 13:07:54  well, i am displeased about the lack of struct
Jul 24 13:08:05  you hatin' on classes?
Jul 24 13:08:09  it has classes -- which are practically required, but lacks structs?!
Jul 24 13:08:18  ;p
Jul 24 13:08:23  yeah, I thought that blew
Jul 24 13:08:25  ieatlint: use a tuple :p
Jul 24 13:08:27  yeah, i am, when it forces classes on me to do structured programming
Jul 24 13:08:39  the first time I saw "everything is an object", and tons of imports... I'm like: JAVA!
Jul 24 13:08:47  >:O
Jul 24 13:08:51  tuples don't help
Jul 24 13:08:51  except in java not everything is an object
Jul 24 13:08:58  Yes it is
Jul 24 13:09:05  everything is a class, anyway
Jul 24 13:09:05  an int isn't an object.  An Integer is.
Jul 24 13:09:12  ...
Jul 24 13:09:18 * Dave beats dlowe with some java objects
Jul 24 13:09:21  yeah, an integer is an int
Jul 24 13:09:36  ints and Integers are different types in java. :p
Jul 24 13:09:48  java is idiotic
Jul 24 13:09:53  i miss c and c++
Jul 24 13:09:59  so in that sense I think python blows
Jul 24 13:10:05  or rather just disappoints me a little
Jul 24 13:10:17  if my wifi app succeeds, i am porting it to C from pygtk
Jul 24 13:10:21  ieatlint: don't see why it's idiotic to distinct primary types from object types
Jul 24 13:10:22  maybe c++
Jul 24 13:10:30  ieatlint, could you recommend any non-archaic C books? Coming from a Python background I'm (hoping) to do the opposite as you ;) 
Jul 24 13:10:47  c99 isn't archaic
Jul 24 13:10:47  Ainulindale: well, transparent boxing and unboxing was figured out a long time ago
Jul 24 13:10:50  fragged, hah
Jul 24 13:10:54  you're just looking at it wrong
Jul 24 13:10:54  ieatlint: who said that!?
Jul 24 13:10:58  C is a base
Jul 24 13:11:04  Ainulindale: I wouldn't say it was idiotic, but it's kind of inconvenient
Jul 24 13:11:10  C++0x \o/
Jul 24 13:11:19  fragged: K&R is just amazing
Jul 24 13:11:31  c++ does not replace c
Jul 24 13:11:44  classes without OOP are generally used incorrectly
Jul 24 13:11:53  hence python? :P
Jul 24 13:12:03  indeed
Jul 24 13:12:08  ieatlint, ah, I learnt Python hoping for it to be an all in one language, and it does lots I wanted it to do (Specifically a Year 12 major project investigation) But now I'm looking to learn something a bit more core; hoping to be able to gain _some_ understanding of the linux kernel 
Jul 24 13:12:12  fragged: my profs at uni also had "A Book on C" on the recommended list, and I find it pretty good
Jul 24 13:12:18  i feel like i'm using some bastardised c++, but very incorrectly
Jul 24 13:12:40  fragged, yeah, learn C
Jul 24 13:12:41  haha
Jul 24 13:12:50  be glad you didn't learn java, ieatlint :P
Jul 24 13:12:54  Hello
Jul 24 13:13:00  oh, i knew about java before i learnt it
Jul 24 13:13:06  :O
Jul 24 13:13:08  i saw enough to go "fuck that"
Jul 24 13:13:20  oh, haha, good. :D
Jul 24 13:13:33 * fragged has to learn java next year at uni, but has only heard bad things about it :(
Jul 24 13:13:37  people telling me about how much easier it is to use
Jul 24 13:13:38  dlowe: Inconvenient, yes, but ieatlint likes to troll, and said "idiotic".
Jul 24 13:14:01  I _love_ Java syntax & OOP, but found the environment impossible
Jul 24 13:14:01  Do I have to load special modules for using the accelerometers? Reading /dev/input/event{2,3} won't output anything.
Jul 24 13:14:11  my friends describe python as "excellent for small applications, and prototyping ideas" ... i agree with that assessment
Jul 24 13:14:15  Unhandled exception error...
Jul 24 13:14:36  Stroller, unless i'm mistaken, java syntax is essentially c syntax
Jul 24 13:14:38  ieatlint, how about perl? :D
Jul 24 13:14:46  perl is a nasty nasty mess
Jul 24 13:14:51  >:)
Jul 24 13:14:55  i refused to learn it after being introduced
Jul 24 13:14:55  it's nice
Jul 24 13:15:02  that's surprising
Jul 24 13:15:08  i'd rather use php :P
Jul 24 13:15:12  considering it's closest to C in syntax (you can write C)
Jul 24 13:15:15  BAH!
Jul 24 13:15:19  Unbeliever!
Jul 24 13:15:23  well, take what i say with a grain of salt, i'm speaking opinions
Jul 24 13:15:27  ieatlint, coming from python, i'm somewhat scared at the use of variable declaration, but I guess it might be nice to have types that dont change automatically 
Jul 24 13:15:48  python types don't change automatically i though
Jul 24 13:15:48  t
Jul 24 13:15:55  hrm
Jul 24 13:15:58  they are defined dynamically, but once set, stay
Jul 24 13:16:11  promiscuous snakes
Jul 24 13:16:13  ;p
Jul 24 13:16:18  ah, your actually right
Jul 24 13:16:28  anyway, having defined and declared variables is actually quite nice
Jul 24 13:16:39  plus you know exactly what is going on, which i like
Jul 24 13:16:40  ieatlint: maybe, but C doesn't have the OO. I mean, I really liked being able to define an object with Car.horsepower and Car.weight and then CalculatePowerToWeightRatio(Car)
Jul 24 13:17:00  Stroller, and that's why c++ was made
Jul 24 13:17:27  ieatlint, as opposed to, what the fuck is my program doing -- hey wait, I didn't code this -- what the hell is going on!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH *while tearing your hair out*
Jul 24 13:17:57  exactly
Jul 24 13:18:02  :D
Jul 24 13:18:15  but then, i basically didn't know python on saturday
Jul 24 13:18:18 * Dave comforts ieatlint
Jul 24 13:18:26  sunday evening (my birthday!) i started writing an app in python
Jul 24 13:18:34  wow, so yeah, any good resources your recommend other than the online syntax documentation?
Jul 24 13:18:37  haha neat
Jul 24 13:18:40  today, it's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi
Jul 24 13:18:49  ieatlint: but I hear C++ was designed by committee
Jul 24 13:18:57  well my problem was, there seemed to be all these great api's already for python
Jul 24 13:19:04  but no documentation for them
Jul 24 13:19:13  or they are all hiding from me :[
Jul 24 13:19:20  Dave: openmoko APIs ?
Jul 24 13:19:22  i've only dealt with pygtk, which has very decent documentation on its apis
Jul 24 13:19:24  YES
Jul 24 13:19:31  Dave: which kind of doc do you want ?
Jul 24 13:19:33  Dave, I found that OReilly books on python (google them), and then PyGame actually gave me a good starting point
Jul 24 13:19:36  If you want specs I can give you some
Jul 24 13:19:40  I have no idea how to use them!
Jul 24 13:19:43  http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xhtml;hb=HEAD#Call::CallStatus <= example
Jul 24 13:20:01  what's the gta02 crystal speed?
Jul 24 13:20:07  i tried to learn gtk for c at one point... failed
Jul 24 13:20:14  i learnt pygtk quite quickly
Jul 24 13:20:15  Dave: https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/openmoko-dialer3/src/ophonekitd/?root=shr
Jul 24 13:20:24  can someone tell me if SDL-gfx is in the OM build kit?  if so, can someone send me the ipk file?
Jul 24 13:20:25  am hoping that will allow me to learn gtk for c now
Jul 24 13:20:28  Here you'll have sources for ophonekitd, part of SHR
Jul 24 13:20:32  Which I'm working on
Jul 24 13:20:33  For example, two weeks ago, I start writing a gps app, but then I notice that there's apparently a preexisting python api for interfacing with it, so I said, sweet! But how the hell do I use it? I have no information :P
Jul 24 13:20:44  That will give you examples about how to use the dbus interfaces (in C though)
Jul 24 13:20:49  mmm... sdl
Jul 24 13:20:59  Ainulindale :p
Jul 24 13:21:06  Ainulindale, nice
Jul 24 13:21:06  Dave: you mean you need a tutorial ?
Jul 24 13:21:09  Is that supposed to just be a complex example for me? ;)
Jul 24 13:21:15  It's not complex at all Dave 
Jul 24 13:21:18  i've been waiting for the dbus api to stabilise for sms
Jul 24 13:21:19  Seriously
Jul 24 13:21:19  CVirus, no, no, though that would certainly be welcome :)
Jul 24 13:21:22  Ainulindale: okay
Jul 24 13:21:26  anyone?  
Jul 24 13:21:28  ieatlint: API is stable
Jul 24 13:21:30 * ieatlint grumbles... fucking certificates
Jul 24 13:21:35  :D
Jul 24 13:21:41  ieatlint: or API is stable enough to do what messages2 does
Jul 24 13:21:46  (which we'll do in SHR)
Jul 24 13:21:54  hybrids!
Jul 24 13:21:56  aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Jul 24 13:21:56  Ainulindale, i want to create a relay app for sms
Jul 24 13:22:04  relay in what sense ?
Jul 24 13:22:14  man, asu is such a closet image :[
Jul 24 13:22:19 * dlowe wonders where the high signal-to-noise openmoko channel is.
Jul 24 13:22:21  either that or a whore
Jul 24 13:22:22  aim (ie, AOL AIM) has shortcodes in the US
Jul 24 13:22:31  shortcodes?
Jul 24 13:22:38  and san francisco's public transit system does too
Jul 24 13:22:39  nobody got the OM kit in front of them?  please, i really need sdl-gfx
Jul 24 13:22:51  shortcode is a US thing i guess
Jul 24 13:23:02  dlowe: cdevel
Jul 24 13:23:03  it's a short number you can sms to for info
Jul 24 13:23:10  (see topic)
Jul 24 13:23:17  eg, if i sms GOOGL with "weather 94129" it gives me my weather info
Jul 24 13:23:20  ieatlint, oh, yeah
Jul 24 13:23:24  no no, yeah I know
Jul 24 13:23:24  GOOGL is a shortcode
Jul 24 13:23:28  all radio stations use them
Jul 24 13:23:29  ;p
Jul 24 13:23:32  etc
Jul 24 13:23:36  Ainulindale: hah. I never would have noticed that
Jul 24 13:23:38  and businesses too
Jul 24 13:23:40  well, aim uses them too here
Jul 24 13:23:49  hah
Jul 24 13:23:51  and so does MUNI
Jul 24 13:23:54  CVirus: you don't ahve OM in front of you?
Jul 24 13:23:59  so i can say "i'm at this bus stop, how long till the next bus"
Jul 24 13:24:02  torpor: nop .. why ?
Jul 24 13:24:09  torpor, oh so you just want the sdl package for openmoko?
Jul 24 13:24:10  i need sdl-gfx ..
Jul 24 13:24:14  if i create a buffer app, i can intercept certain messages and create a client
Jul 24 13:24:14  just sdl-gfx
Jul 24 13:24:17  nextbus!
Jul 24 13:24:22  and the -dev ipk too if its available.
Jul 24 13:24:23  yep, nextbus
Jul 24 13:24:26  torpor: why are you addressing me explicitly ?
Jul 24 13:24:28  ieatlint: errr
Jul 24 13:24:29  yeah, we use it here :P
Jul 24 13:24:31  i cna't find it on any of the feeds i'm on but i know its built in OM .. 
Jul 24 13:24:32  So what's the problem with that ?
Jul 24 13:24:40  torpor: why are you addressing me explicitly ?
Jul 24 13:24:42  You just want to send SMSes to numbers ?
Jul 24 13:24:42  none, apparently
Jul 24 13:24:49  no
Jul 24 13:24:52  CVirus: coz i thought you have OM around .. 
Jul 24 13:24:56  the build system i mean.
Jul 24 13:24:56  i want to send smses to numbers (easy)
Jul 24 13:25:02  but i also want to intercept incoming sms
Jul 24 13:25:06  That's easy
Jul 24 13:25:08  torpor: sorry can't help
Jul 24 13:25:11  i don't think its being included in the repos, but i know its in OM.  i do not have OM.  i am compiling on board.
Jul 24 13:25:11  ieatlint, so you're saying it doesn't support shortcodes? o_O
Jul 24 13:25:15  eg, sms coming from "12345"
Jul 24 13:25:25  Dave, no
Jul 24 13:25:26  ieatlint: in frameworkd there are signals, and one in particular is (link incoming)
Jul 24 13:25:28  so if someone who has OM available checks for the sdl-gfx package, and sends it to me, then i don't have to set up OM and all that .. 
Jul 24 13:25:37  i haven't looked into the api since FSO didn't support sms
Jul 24 13:25:38  http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=otapi/xhtml/docbook-org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.xhtml;hb=HEAD#SMS::IncomingMessage
Jul 24 13:25:42  i was waiting for milestone2
Jul 24 13:25:50  wtf
Jul 24 13:26:07  ieatlint, that's rather disappointing :[
Jul 24 13:26:46  my basic interest is to intercept incoming sms based on the incoming number (maybe, on a string of text the message starts with)
Jul 24 13:26:56  ieatlint: incoming message gives you an id
Jul 24 13:27:00  create a daemon for that, and then applications that can be built on that
Jul 24 13:27:01  SIM gives you the number
Jul 24 13:27:06  someone was saying something about SHR, how's that coming allong?
Jul 24 13:27:16  igor321: fine
Jul 24 13:27:21  oh, and torpor, it's totally in repo
Jul 24 13:27:22  aim and nextbus are two ideas
Jul 24 13:27:23  Our daemon is working well enough
Jul 24 13:27:28  really?
Jul 24 13:27:36  We managed to set pin, so we're working on the other UIs
Jul 24 13:27:37  the gtk -- fso one?
Jul 24 13:27:39  although i "hacked" nextbus a few weeks ago
Jul 24 13:27:42  Dave:  i can't find it.. 
Jul 24 13:27:46  igor321: yep
Jul 24 13:27:52  ooo that's really nice
Jul 24 13:27:57  i hate qtopia in x11
Jul 24 13:27:59  using nextbus's xml interface, you can get the exact gps coords of the bus
Jul 24 13:28:00  I do hope so
Jul 24 13:28:07  Dave: where do you see it?
Jul 24 13:28:50  torpor, libsdl-1.2, libsdl-image-1.2, libsdl-mixer-1.2, libsdl-net-1.2, libsdl-ttf, also a package xserver-kdrive-sdl
Jul 24 13:28:59  at some point, i want to write an app that tells you which stop a bus is currently at, and how far it is from you (eg, 1km)
Jul 24 13:29:00  yeah but no libsdl-gfx .. 
Jul 24 13:29:07  oh oh
Jul 24 13:29:10  yeah, let me see :)
Jul 24 13:29:19  its in OM i'm sure, just not built normally .. 
Jul 24 13:29:32  ieatlint: how would you do that?
Jul 24 13:29:49  i had it at one point on my neo1973, but now i'm setting up my freerunner for development and .. well .. things have changed.  i'm trying not to use OM to code, but just use the freerunner itself insteadl (compiler-on-board)
Jul 24 13:29:51  buses don't behave in such a deterministic manner :)
Jul 24 13:29:59  to build some external package from sources, is it really necessary to 'make openmoko-devel-image' with MokoMakefile?
Jul 24 13:30:06  Fossi: no
Jul 24 13:30:12  Fossi: you should build the toolchain
Jul 24 13:30:16  ~toolchain
Jul 24 13:30:17  (test)
Jul 24 13:30:17  i guess toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/pub/projects/toolchain
Jul 24 13:30:29  Fossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Jul 24 13:30:33  igor321, read the coords of the bus from the xml data, store the coords for each bus top (and apply a ~100m discrepency) to report the bus stop
Jul 24 13:30:50  igor321, then get the phone's gps coords and do a distance check between the bus's and your own
Jul 24 13:31:12  how do you know at which stop the bus is?
Jul 24 13:31:14  should be pretty simple
Jul 24 13:31:26  what xml data?
Jul 24 13:31:34  nextbus.com can give xml data
Jul 24 13:31:43  omg that's crazy
Jul 24 13:31:47  will tell me the gps coords of any bus in the system
Jul 24 13:31:51  where do you live?
Jul 24 13:31:56  san francisco
Jul 24 13:32:07  noice...
Jul 24 13:32:11  bay area \o/
Jul 24 13:32:16  their website supports giving estimates for a bus to arrive at each stop
Jul 24 13:32:18  ieatlint, want to do lunch sometime :)
Jul 24 13:32:22  but i want more info
Jul 24 13:32:23  oh, nextbus?
Jul 24 13:32:24  i used to work in san fran
Jul 24 13:32:27  :D
Jul 24 13:32:29  Dave, sure, where are you?
Jul 24 13:32:30  embarcadero center
Jul 24 13:32:32  ieatlint, let's be friends.
Jul 24 13:32:35  but now i'm in austria.
Jul 24 13:32:36  zomg!
Jul 24 13:32:42  i have a friend that works there
Jul 24 13:32:49  i'm low on friends in sf :P
Jul 24 13:32:53  ieatlint, I'm actually working on something exactly the same!
Jul 24 13:32:56  moved from san jose area to hear just last august
Jul 24 13:32:59  ieatlint, aww
Jul 24 13:33:05  was always fun .. we were on the 38th floor .. had a tally on the wall: # of subs, # of whales observed.
Jul 24 13:33:08  san jose, sweet
Jul 24 13:33:08  ;)
Jul 24 13:33:10  here, eep
Jul 24 13:33:18  :P
Jul 24 13:33:30  where in the sfba are you?
Jul 24 13:33:35  ieatlint, what, you're not into flaming homosexuals? :p
Jul 24 13:33:39  soooo .. how about that sdlgfx package?  come on one of you guys has to ahve OM on your machine and can build the .ipk for me .. 
Jul 24 13:33:49  Dave, my best friend is a flaming homosexual :P
Jul 24 13:33:53  how to install python on Neo1973?
Jul 24 13:33:54  :D
Jul 24 13:34:03  opendeep: opkg install python
Jul 24 13:34:08  opendeep, opkg install python
Jul 24 13:34:14  hey Sup3rkiddo 
Jul 24 13:34:15  pet the snake nicely
Jul 24 13:34:17  my girlfriend is bisexual too (in the "she was dating a woman before me sense")
Jul 24 13:34:29  Ainulindale, yo....whats cooking?
Jul 24 13:34:29  heh
Jul 24 13:34:41  Sup3rkiddo: nice UIs :-)
Jul 24 13:34:44  i'm a die-hard liberal, and live in the right city for it
Jul 24 13:34:57  haha, true enough
Jul 24 13:34:58  Ainulindale, screenshots or it didnt happen!
Jul 24 13:35:05  Sup3rkiddo: I thought you might be helpful. Do you know if dmalloc library has been ported to the neo or is portable ?
Jul 24 13:35:09  haha
Jul 24 13:35:16  Dave: Snakes are great :) Especially boa constrictors - they give awesome hugs! ;)
Jul 24 13:35:20  Sup3rkiddo: no screenshot is useful, you already know how it looks like
Jul 24 13:35:23  Dave, if you make it to linuxworld, i'll be at the openmoko booth
Jul 24 13:35:26  Sup3rkiddo: we kept old GTK ui
Jul 24 13:35:33  (SHR / dialer3)
Jul 24 13:35:35  Ainulindale: what app?
Jul 24 13:35:43  Ainulindale, nope....i have no idea....if its in OE, more likely its in OM
Jul 24 13:36:02  Ainulindale, oh ok....how goes the frameworkd integration?
Jul 24 13:36:03  leinir :O
Jul 24 13:36:03  Couldn't find it, tried to compile it, but it failed
Jul 24 13:36:07  Sup3rkiddo: very fine
Jul 24 13:36:17  we're setting pin with an UI, that's a start :-)
Jul 24 13:36:19  *giggles* :)
Jul 24 13:36:20 * torpor pines for sdl gfx .. 
Jul 24 13:36:22  Next thing is to catch incoming calls
Jul 24 13:36:24  Ainulindale: i have a bitbake receipt from somebidy else for the source i want to compile
Jul 24 13:36:25  leinir, by that, you mean, constrict your internal organs to mush?
Jul 24 13:36:28  The code to handle the dbus part is already done
Jul 24 13:36:35  Dave: Something like that ;)
Jul 24 13:36:37  Yes, they clearly have much liking for people
Jul 24 13:36:38  torpor:How to install from web-server like apt-get install?
Jul 24 13:36:38  bah
Jul 24 13:36:50  ieatlint, unlikely, but we'll see.
Jul 24 13:36:54  Ainulindale, yeah....
Jul 24 13:36:57  Otherwise, I'll be in PA :)
Jul 24 13:37:01  just come on dooooooooown
Jul 24 13:37:08  openmoko: 03tick * r2426fea5ff02 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [Keyboard] dismiss the PopupWindow when the keyboard is hidden
Jul 24 13:37:12  or if I bbq, I'll invite you :D
Jul 24 13:37:14  ah... PA
Jul 24 13:37:23  I'm in the city a bunch too
Jul 24 13:37:26  i've got no beef with PA
Jul 24 13:37:31  :P
Jul 24 13:37:36  ieatlint: right now I'm in joisey :p
Jul 24 13:37:40  screw it i'll just compile sdl-gfx from source on te freerunner .. ;)
Jul 24 13:37:41  well, next time you're in town, give me a holler
Jul 24 13:37:47  wrong coast, but we've got nextbus here too :P
Jul 24 13:37:53  bah, screw jersey :P
Jul 24 13:37:54 * Dave laughs
Jul 24 13:37:57  ieatlint: sure sure
Jul 24 13:38:02  ieatlint, agreed :D
Jul 24 13:38:17  ieatlint, but hey, they're giving me all you can eat, and all you can handle freerunners :P
Jul 24 13:38:28  it's not THAT bad ;)
Jul 24 13:38:47  well, here in sf, i get decent recent and long prison sentences for breaking the law
Jul 24 13:38:50  beat that!
Jul 24 13:39:06  haha
Jul 24 13:39:08  bleh, s/recent/rent/ (beer :)
Jul 24 13:39:13  oh, haha
Jul 24 13:39:26 * Dave beers ieatlint
Jul 24 13:39:27  i live on federal land...
Jul 24 13:39:30  o/
Jul 24 13:39:46  Cheers
Jul 24 13:39:56  Hey Arab
Jul 24 13:40:01  What's poppin' ?
Jul 24 13:40:16  torpor, have you looked in the 1973 repos? :p
Jul 24 13:40:29  ieatlint, he must be debugging java :P
Jul 24 13:40:32  the important thing is that i know a good bar near moscone centre
Jul 24 13:40:34 * Dave laughs
Jul 24 13:41:05 * ieatlint is [of] irish [descent]
Jul 24 13:41:06 * HauARRGH shiver me timbers
Jul 24 13:41:07  ieatlint, have you ever been to castro, in mv?
Jul 24 13:41:13  haughghg, hahahahaa
Jul 24 13:41:23  ieatlint: hahaha, well said ;)
Jul 24 13:41:29  mv?
Jul 24 13:41:35  mid west
Jul 24 13:41:47  no thats mw?
Jul 24 13:41:58  milli volt
Jul 24 13:42:03  if mv is some cool place, i need to harass my gay friends for not taking me
Jul 24 13:42:16  mv == mountain view
Jul 24 13:42:17  sorry :)
Jul 24 13:42:33  morning
Jul 24 13:42:35  and yes you very much so should :p
Jul 24 13:42:36  ah, i know mv gays... not been, though
Jul 24 13:42:42  :O
Jul 24 13:42:47  You absolutely, MUST, go!
Jul 24 13:42:52  i know a lot of gay people, oddly
Jul 24 13:42:56  I mean hey, I'll invite you to google for the day, if you want :)
Jul 24 13:42:57  and i mean a LOT
Jul 24 13:43:04  oddly?
Jul 24 13:43:13 * Dave takes a step back from ieatlint
Jul 24 13:43:16  san fran... thats not odd from what i understand
Jul 24 13:43:17  sure... i know a number of google employees, but not have invited me :P
Jul 24 13:43:22  Dave: yes i have and i didn't find it, sorry.  
Jul 24 13:43:36  but it doesn't matter coz i'm compiling on my freerunner now from source and it looks like it'll work just as well..
Jul 24 13:43:38  uh, it's odd when something like 80% of my friends are gay
Jul 24 13:43:43  yeah it's strange, because I can't find it
Jul 24 13:43:55  torpor, good!
Jul 24 13:43:59  yeah, it just takes a while ;)
Jul 24 13:44:08  its not so slow .. 
Jul 24 13:44:13  ieatlint, aww :)
Jul 24 13:44:26  torpor, be glad you're not doing java :P
Jul 24 13:44:30  wheeeheeeheee
Jul 24 13:44:36 * Dave goes insane
Jul 24 13:44:39 * fragged met this guy once
Jul 24 13:44:41 * ieatlint shrugs
Jul 24 13:44:45  gay people are nicer :P
Jul 24 13:44:46  fragged, uh oh...
Jul 24 13:44:49  well, actually, half a day later i found out she was a girl O.o
Jul 24 13:44:51  ieatlint: untrue
Jul 24 13:45:00  hahahaha
Jul 24 13:45:03  and when you don't care about being mistaken for gay, it'S a lot of fun
Jul 24 13:45:26  Dave, in my experience, it is true
Jul 24 13:45:37  Depends, there are a lot of raging homos
Jul 24 13:45:40  who will bash your face in
Jul 24 13:45:43  yeah
Jul 24 13:45:45  and treat you like shit
Jul 24 13:45:56  those are called fascists
Jul 24 13:45:56  or they're just [as] big assholes
Jul 24 13:45:59  hahaha
Jul 24 13:46:04  Excellent!
Jul 24 13:46:10  well, the ones i've met are initially skeptical of me treating them like shit
Jul 24 13:46:16  Let them burn in the fires of unbelieving!
Jul 24 13:46:16  Dave, in my experience your best not judging gays by face value, what other people say, and stereotypes
Jul 24 13:46:20  ieatlint: haha
Jul 24 13:46:21  and then, once they realise i actually don't care, are a lot of fun
Jul 24 13:46:23  torpor, no gay fascists :-)
Jul 24 13:46:34  there are a lot of people who claim they're cool, but act all weird
Jul 24 13:46:35  fragged: I judge them after staying with them for a week :)
Jul 24 13:46:37  oh hell yeah
Jul 24 13:46:37  there are tons of gay f
Jul 24 13:46:37  ascists
Jul 24 13:46:42  the fascists were a bunch of nancy boys 
Jul 24 13:47:02  well, i don't care about calling them a bunch of assholes
Jul 24 13:47:17  because in some respects, they clearly are :p
Jul 24 13:47:38  i've no prejudice, but that doesn't mean i can't hate people
Jul 24 13:47:40  himm .. anyone know a replacement for the busybox 'ar' command?
Jul 24 13:47:58  Anyhoo, why don't we have an openmoko conference yet!?
Jul 24 13:48:17  anyway the worst is the neo natzy gay dwarf hippies!
Jul 24 13:48:24  come to linuxworld, we'll have one
Jul 24 13:48:27 * Dave lights a fire under HauARRGH
Jul 24 13:48:30  ughh, waiting for genkernel to finish compiling before I can sleep :(
Jul 24 13:48:33  ieatlint :)
Jul 24 13:48:41  fragged, muwahahaha
Jul 24 13:48:50 * Dave hands fragged a pillow
Jul 24 13:48:54  HauARRGH, i see nothing but hilarity in: neo nazis; dwarves; hippies
Jul 24 13:48:57  people can be assholes regardless of their orientation
Jul 24 13:49:03 * fragged ignores pillow, passes out on keyboard
Jul 24 13:49:06  uggh, fucking hippies.
Jul 24 13:49:10  gfsdvaAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Jul 24 13:49:16  lawl.
Jul 24 13:49:41  s'just historically the minorities pull out the minority-get-out-of-jail card when the majority complain about one of them
Jul 24 13:49:48  god bless a country that's so ignorant i can walk down the street proclaiming i'm a nationalist socialist and have people thinking it's a good thing
Jul 24 13:50:11  they more so either don't have a clue what you're talking about, or don't give a shit :)
Jul 24 13:50:13  err, national socialist ... too many ists  :P
Jul 24 13:50:20  they're too busy workin' the corner :P
Jul 24 13:50:29  here, it's not know
Jul 24 13:50:35  now ?
Jul 24 13:50:45  in my german classes, only the teacher seems to know what a national socialist is
Jul 24 13:50:54  yeah, right
Jul 24 13:50:58  ze germans!
Jul 24 13:50:59  :o
Jul 24 13:51:00  ieatlint, yep neo nazis are just f'ing stupid and hippies are too far out man, and the dwarfs can always get work in holywood :-)
Jul 24 13:51:01  bagpuss_thecat, I've seen many gays act the stereotypical gay; which are quite obviously acting it. On the other hand I know some decent gays that are like that by nature, and also straight acting gays that play aussie rules
Jul 24 13:51:26  fuck hollywood, the dwarves can get better money on the street panhandling
Jul 24 13:51:34  huhu
Jul 24 13:51:36  especially in sf
Jul 24 13:51:42  indeed
Jul 24 13:51:51  little people, big money, baby!
Jul 24 13:52:07  I'm sure that could even be turned into a reality show...
Jul 24 13:52:08  plus, dwarf tossing is legal in california!
Jul 24 13:52:13 * Dave quickly sells his idea to FOX
Jul 24 13:52:18  fragged: true
Jul 24 13:52:53  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_tossing
Jul 24 13:53:00  whee?
Jul 24 13:53:05  can someone give fragged $400 for a FR?
Jul 24 13:53:13  :D
Jul 24 13:53:20  Sorry.
Jul 24 13:53:39  Want some pancakes, though?
Jul 24 13:53:44  fragged, i will give you 100 billion zimbabwean dollars!
Jul 24 13:53:55  Meh, only organised a visa card today so I can order shit online, gonna take a couple weeks by which they'll probably be sold out again :(
Jul 24 13:53:59  haha, lollerruples.
Jul 24 13:54:13  Yah. Mail them to Australia?
Jul 24 13:54:20  haha oz
Jul 24 13:54:27  sif!
Jul 24 13:55:09  :(
Jul 24 13:55:14  :p
Jul 24 13:55:17  "The 100 billion Zimbabwe dollar note, which expires on 31 December 2008, cannot buy a loaf of bread, which now costs at least 120 billion Zimbabwe dollars, but it can purchase four oranges. "
Jul 24 13:55:19 * Dave tosses a dropbear at fragged
Jul 24 13:55:41  Rural Australia too, mind rolling out some ethernet so I can have more than 1500kbps at a reasonable price?
Jul 24 13:55:43  ieatlint: hahaha
Jul 24 13:55:44 * fragged screams as dropbear tears his face apart
Jul 24 13:55:54  :DDDD
Jul 24 13:56:04  aww
Jul 24 13:56:10  fragged, but i just offered to give you 4 oranges!
Jul 24 13:56:15  haha
Jul 24 13:56:26  wurp2|lurking
Jul 24 13:56:38  ieatlint, down here, you just steal oranges off trees. In fact in the right months its less than a 200m walk to the nearest orange tree 
Jul 24 13:56:43  o yeah, my FR arrives at the beginning of next week
Jul 24 13:56:58 * Dave throws clementines at fragged
Jul 24 13:57:13  I could ship the oranges, and you could sell them on the Zimbabwe (black?) market; We could make zillions!
Jul 24 13:57:23  rofl
Jul 24 13:57:37  all your money would expire at the end of the year...
Jul 24 13:57:42  s/money/profits/
Jul 24 13:57:42  Dave meant: all your profits would expire at the end of the year...
Jul 24 13:57:48  apt, shush
Jul 24 13:57:49  Fine, I'll shut up.
Jul 24 13:57:55  Damn right, bitch!
Jul 24 13:58:05  Now get in the kitchen, and make me a python app!
Jul 24 13:58:19  Mhm, how widespread is the knowlege of that thumb-keyboard?
Jul 24 13:58:20  fragged, clearly you don't need these zimbabwean dollars, so forget it
Jul 24 13:58:34  :D
Jul 24 13:58:42  retraciles.
Jul 24 13:59:07  ok, i'm going to bed
Jul 24 13:59:11  being 7am and all
Jul 24 13:59:11  Aw
Jul 24 13:59:16  yeah...
Jul 24 13:59:22  What did you do all night?
Jul 24 13:59:25  python python python?
Jul 24 13:59:33  with an occasional badger?
Jul 24 13:59:34  i had some beer
Jul 24 13:59:39  i watched a movie
Jul 24 13:59:44  and i did some programming
Jul 24 13:59:52  Good for you :)
Jul 24 13:59:57 * Dave high-fives ieatlint
Jul 24 14:00:09  ok, cya
Jul 24 14:00:11 * Dave is reminded of that absurdly amusing Shark Gorilla thing.
Jul 24 14:00:14  Later.
Jul 24 14:00:17  peace
Jul 24 14:01:13  He's my hero. Wish I could program all night but I have a maths exam a week from today, which I only just found out I had :(
Jul 24 14:01:33  w00t!
Jul 24 14:01:39  my SDL game runs on the freerunner!  :)
Jul 24 14:01:51  now i just gotta figure out how to use the accelerometers and i'm ready to publish! :)
Jul 24 14:01:55  :D
Jul 24 14:02:04  Now I must steal torpor's code.
Jul 24 14:02:07  hehe 1 850 legt
Jul 24 14:02:09  left
Jul 24 14:02:24  Dave: I want to install python on Neo1973 but It take lot of space , is there any package which take less memory?
Jul 24 14:02:27  hmm.
Jul 24 14:02:30  sdl doesn't look too good though.
Jul 24 14:02:31  it does?
Jul 24 14:02:45  torpor, in general? or on the freerunner thus far?
Jul 24 14:02:50  opendeep: you need a SD card to properly set up python on the neo1973 . coz the neo doesn't have the storage to support python.
Jul 24 14:03:05  Dave:  i mean on the freerunner .. seems a bit .. buggy .. 
Jul 24 14:03:11  you do? o_O
Jul 24 14:03:12  but at least i can compile now and that is fun .. 
Jul 24 14:03:17  why do you require a sd card?
Jul 24 14:03:35  Speaking of SDL, asked earlier, I downloaded Qemu prebuilt for windows, and the FR pre-compiled windows specific image, and it would work properly, but failed to redraw the screen unless I moved the window. I was running in a VirtualBox VM, but I noticed a second sdl.dll with the FR image so not sure. Any suggestions?
Jul 24 14:03:37  oh, does the gta01 have shitty internal memory?
Jul 24 14:03:39  coz python is fat and the default install for om (assuming your using om) leaves only .. like .. 6 megs free or some such shit .. 
Jul 24 14:03:54  dave its oonly got 64megs of NAND .. 
Jul 24 14:03:55  Dave, just only 64 megs of it
Jul 24 14:03:58  OH
Jul 24 14:03:59  :P
Jul 24 14:04:02  shitty.
Jul 24 14:04:09  but piffles, sd installation is fine
Jul 24 14:04:10  FAT SNAKES
Jul 24 14:04:12  best thing to do is boot on SD with the neo..
Jul 24 14:04:17  or use unionfs
Jul 24 14:04:21 * Dave hopes leinir isn't hearing this.
Jul 24 14:04:42  Dave: That's what happens when snakes like you too much... ;)
Jul 24 14:04:46  or better yet, create your own filesystem!
Jul 24 14:04:48  :O
Jul 24 14:04:53  hoenoes, it's leinir!
Jul 24 14:04:54  run!
Jul 24 14:05:12  torpor: ok, thanks
Jul 24 14:06:39  howdy Tim
Jul 24 14:08:45  torpor: maybe a link to your game?
Jul 24 14:08:55  its not ready yet
Jul 24 14:09:00  but when its ready i'll put it up.
Jul 24 14:09:10  kk
Jul 24 14:09:35  i'm working on a couple things:  a tutorial for how to make native apps (GTK) for OM2007.2 usingthe onboard compiler environment.  and then when thats done i'll also do a tutorial on SDL games writing for the freerunner, using my game as the demo source.
Jul 24 14:09:44  don't worry i'll let folks know in here when its ready for a bit of testing.
Jul 24 14:10:03  tutorial nice
Jul 24 14:12:23  torpor: how is graphic performance?
Jul 24 14:12:37  not too shabby but my app is pretty basic.  its a very small and generic shooter.
Jul 24 14:12:52  torpor: i think of trying to port crystalspace over, but i don't know if it's worth it yet without 3d acceleration
Jul 24 14:17:33  Fossi: 3D prolly won't be available.. why not try software?
Jul 24 14:17:44  at qvga it should be fluid
Jul 24 14:17:48  DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Jul 24 14:18:13  ok guys, i'm off to bed; might lurk in here from now on in my spare time D:
Jul 24 14:20:13  later, fraggy :p
Jul 24 14:22:17  hi folks, new to channel and trying to troubleshoot WLAN. any network gurus out there?
Jul 24 14:23:49  joejarvis: old rule of IRC: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
Jul 24 14:24:51  Tm_T: new to IRC as well, so getting sea legs.
Jul 24 14:25:05  so my freerunner doesn't appear to see eth0
Jul 24 14:25:07  Hmmmn... I wonder if there's a way to make the bot say that
Jul 24 14:25:10  joejarvis: yeh, welcome :)
Jul 24 14:25:12  ~_~
Jul 24 14:25:13  STOP DOING THAT!
Jul 24 14:25:27  apt: doing what?
Jul 24 14:25:57  is there a module that needs to load the driver for the WLAN chip? or is it the kernel?
Jul 24 14:27:18  oooh
Jul 24 14:27:23  Ok. Someone did it already
Jul 24 14:27:26  ~ask
Jul 24 14:27:27  ask is probably Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Jul 24 14:30:50  Will Riker
Jul 24 14:31:04  Number One
Jul 24 14:33:43  eh... I'm what, Will's great great great grandfather? or I blame my brother, depending on what Will does.
Jul 24 14:33:53  cat /sys/class/net/eth0/
Jul 24 14:35:11  Hello everyone
Jul 24 14:35:19  kd8ikt: cat: can't open '/sys/class/net/eth0': No such file or directory
Jul 24 14:35:23  HOW ARE YOU, ARAUJO?
Jul 24 14:35:32  compiling erlang and crystalspace with toolchain works like a charm
Jul 24 14:35:34  WHY ARE WE YELLING?
Jul 24 14:35:35  not.
Jul 24 14:35:39 * araujo thinking about getting the Neo Freerunner
Jul 24 14:35:43  Hi dantalizing 
Jul 24 14:35:44  Nuclear Wessels!
Jul 24 14:35:44  er
Jul 24 14:35:46  hi Dave 
Jul 24 14:35:54  hah :)
Jul 24 14:36:14  I was checking the site.. so 850 still on stock right?
Jul 24 14:36:25  seems like om-conf can't cope with neither CS's heavy m4 and jam usage nor the erlang bootstraping
Jul 24 14:36:28  Though I read next shipment is about for tomorrow?
Jul 24 14:36:43  Fossi: I couldn't get om-conf to handle much at all =\
Jul 24 14:36:44  guess i'll have to compile natively
Jul 24 14:36:48  morning araujo 
Jul 24 14:36:55  morning dantalizing 
Jul 24 14:36:57  :-]
Jul 24 14:37:02  :p
Jul 24 14:39:08  araujo, one left.
Jul 24 14:39:18  TAsn, hah, really?
Jul 24 14:39:27  oh man, these textual adventures have the most terrible puns :p
Jul 24 14:39:29  teehee
Jul 24 14:39:29  as for 10 mins ago.
Jul 24 14:39:34  :)
Jul 24 14:39:38  dunno about now.
Jul 24 14:40:26  TAsn, there is scheduled a new shipment tomorrow?
Jul 24 14:41:53  i really hope so, since I want to order mine tomorrow :{
Jul 24 14:42:06  heh
Jul 24 14:42:07  s/:{/:)
Jul 24 14:42:09  ah good
Jul 24 14:42:28  well, I want to get a 900
Jul 24 14:42:33  same here.
Jul 24 14:42:33  if possible, so I am waiting too
Jul 24 14:43:44  :p
Jul 24 14:45:37  so what's the deal with the keyboard in ASU?
Jul 24 14:45:48  a 900?
Jul 24 14:45:55  all of my searching shows that there was a qwerty button, but it was removed because the keyboard comes up automatically
Jul 24 14:46:12  but my keyboard never comes up automatically
Jul 24 14:46:17  850
Jul 24 14:46:52  kd8ikt: other ideas?
Jul 24 14:46:59  what does that number say? :>
Jul 24 14:47:14  gsm band.
Jul 24 14:51:06  ah thx
Jul 24 14:54:07  hello 
Jul 24 14:54:16  i have my freerunner since today
Jul 24 14:54:22  now i tried to flash a new kernel
Jul 24 14:54:39  ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uIma.....
Jul 24 14:55:11  dfu-util printed out it's copyright and then nothing happened
Jul 24 14:55:34  and now the display (i think the whole freerunner) is turned off
Jul 24 14:55:57  hello all! i have a problem with mokomakefile that has already been posted a few times on the net but w/o any solution...
Jul 24 14:56:00   make build-package-linux
Jul 24 14:56:06  cp: cannot stat `/root/freerunner/mmf_freerunner/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/defconfig': No such file or directory
Jul 24 14:56:11  NOTE: package linux-2.6.21-r12: task do_unpack: failed
Jul 24 14:56:17  any hints?
Jul 24 14:57:03  thomasgruebler: The bootloader will time out and turn off after inactivity
Jul 24 14:57:17  ok so what have i donw wrong
Jul 24 14:57:25  before flashing you must "Set console to USB" or otherwise eliminate the timeout as suggested on the flashing page in the wiki
Jul 24 14:57:34  ok thanks
Jul 24 14:57:53  is there any defconfig i can safely copy to openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/?
Jul 24 14:58:22  now the next try
Jul 24 14:58:31  nothing happens...
Jul 24 14:58:42  joejarvis: what are trying to do
Jul 24 15:00:20  thomasgruebler: Did you successfully get to the bootloader console over USB?
Jul 24 15:00:43  kd8ikt: trying 'ifup eth0', but error messages suggest no eth0 device. it's as if kernel/hal/udev hasn't recognized/created device
Jul 24 15:00:46  yes. the bootloader told me then "press aux to return to boot menu"
Jul 24 15:01:30  because its not defined in /etc/network/interfaces
Jul 24 15:01:40  kd8ikt: it's defined there
Jul 24 15:02:10  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel
Jul 24 15:02:14  kd8ikt: iface eth0 inet dhcp
Jul 24 15:02:16  wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
Jul 24 15:04:37  thomasgruebler: No, I mean have you connected from your main computer to the bootloader console using 'cu' ? 
Jul 24 15:04:47  I'm trying to figure out if your USB connection is working correctly
Jul 24 15:04:49  no
Jul 24 15:05:00  If it's not, then ./dfu-util won't work
Jul 24 15:05:05  there is nothing on the "getting started wiki page !
Jul 24 15:05:23  ok thanks
Jul 24 15:05:24  openmoko: 03werner * r4554 10/developers/werner/ols2008/ (8 files): OLS 2008 presentation.
Jul 24 15:06:04  is there high voltage on the gps connector? i think so....
Jul 24 15:06:23  kd8ikt: i don't think w will help. it's just automating the manual commands that I'm typing and that fail. ifconfig, ifup, and iwlist eth0 scanning all fail for lack of device.
Jul 24 15:06:23  ^^
Jul 24 15:06:34  should be 3v or so thomasgruebler 
Jul 24 15:06:43  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko  does mention using cu, but not very clearly  try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_usbtty_from_Linux
Jul 24 15:06:49  ok so why do i get a shock ^^
Jul 24 15:07:01  Is it plugged in?
Jul 24 15:07:05  thom:
Jul 24 15:07:14  thomasgruebler: unplug the USB lead, and touch the shell.
Jul 24 15:07:16  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner/de
Jul 24 15:07:19  you'll get the same shock.
Jul 24 15:08:01  crazy
Jul 24 15:08:23  Is your computer plugged into an otuput without a ground, or is it a laptop?
Jul 24 15:08:31  all ya need to do is run wpa and then udhcpc
Jul 24 15:08:40  joejarvis: 
Jul 24 15:08:57  because its not defined in /etc/network/interfacesfig
Jul 24 15:09:08  i mean 
Jul 24 15:09:16  noneed for all that ifstuff
Jul 24 15:10:19  ok i don't get a ttyACM...
Jul 24 15:10:48  no one having a hint for the defconfig problem?
Jul 24 15:11:10  kd8ikt: it is defined in /etc/network/interfaces : iface eth0 inet dhcp [new line] wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
Jul 24 15:12:37  does the resume work already a bit more reliable on the ASU?
Jul 24 15:12:56  thomasgruebler: Then there is some config required on your main linux machine. I don't know the details since it "just works" in debian and in ubuntu for me
Jul 24 15:13:12  i have sidux, debian sid based
Jul 24 15:13:32  thomasgruebler: probably a module required, I really don't know the details, though
Jul 24 15:14:18  thomasgruebler: cdc_acm is the module I think
Jul 24 15:14:49  Zorkman!
Jul 24 15:14:58  Hello speedevil :)
Jul 24 15:15:36  thanks
Jul 24 15:15:43  np
Jul 24 15:15:47  hope you get it working :)
Jul 24 15:15:50  hi Dave
Jul 24 15:15:53  is it needed to do this? or is it enough when i use opkg upgrade?
Jul 24 15:17:10  thomasgruebler: I remember reading that a flash kernel is faster than installing a new one with opkg, but TBH I'm not sure how upgrading the kernel with opkg would even work. Maybe someone else can explain 
Jul 24 15:17:27  okay
Jul 24 15:17:41 * nite613 would guess that flashing into the kernel area in NAND is the only way to upgrade kernel
Jul 24 15:17:47  i have another idea
Jul 24 15:17:51  my laptop is the problem
Jul 24 15:18:27  i have sometimes problems that my devices i connect with my usb hub (about 10) doesn't work always
Jul 24 15:18:37  and then no usb works ^^
Jul 24 15:18:38  yeah, it is. It needs the cdc_acm module installed in order for ttyACM device to appear
Jul 24 15:18:42  bye i have to reboot
Jul 24 15:18:44  ahh
Jul 24 15:18:49  that could do it! :)
Jul 24 15:24:05  bahahaha
Jul 24 15:24:17  What's new, Zorkman? :)
Jul 24 15:27:09  D.
Jul 24 15:31:49  I want to connect to SD card , so I mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 , it's giving device does not exist, how to connect SD?
Jul 24 15:32:11  ok cu works now
Jul 24 15:32:31  More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device
Jul 24 15:32:37  dfu already has a problem
Jul 24 15:32:47  what are the recommended images for a neo these days?
Jul 24 15:32:58  but the gta and some devices in my laptop are the only conncted devices
Jul 24 15:33:47 * TimRikerOLS has a gta01bv4
Jul 24 15:35:35  yea it works
Jul 24 15:39:20  How to see what data is there on SD card?
Jul 24 15:39:29  cat /proc/partitions
Jul 24 15:39:34  heh
Jul 24 15:40:02  but it should be mounted already at /media/card
Jul 24 15:40:12  thomasgruebler: You can use --list to find the moko and then -d to specify it
Jul 24 15:40:20  /mnt/card + /media/card
Jul 24 15:41:07  whats weird was when i first got my phone my card had data on it already
Jul 24 15:41:08  kd8ikt: if only that made sense.
Jul 24 15:41:25  they are linked
Jul 24 15:41:35  IC.
Jul 24 15:41:36  kd8ikt:can you tell me how to mount SD card?
Jul 24 15:41:44  but anyway what i was saying some FIC perve put pr0n on my card!
Jul 24 15:41:53  opendeep: repeating yourself over and over won't help if you won't follow instructions
Jul 24 15:42:31  it should of automounted
Jul 24 15:42:37  _have_ :p
Jul 24 15:42:38  cat /etc/fstab
Jul 24 15:43:13  C.
Jul 24 15:43:31  kd8ikt o_O
Jul 24 15:43:39  phone pr0n?
Jul 24 15:43:51  I got a funky sd card-related problem. I installed yesterday's daily build image on my FR. Things ran smoothely, 'til it went in standby mode. When it came back from standby mode, the FR coudln't read the partition table anymore... anyone got ideas?
Jul 24 15:44:16  sounds like a bug :o
Jul 24 15:44:33  Andre613_: a bit of discussion on this on -community th elast 12 hours
Jul 24 15:44:45  thanks Stroller, I'll check out the logs
Jul 24 15:45:14  er i said company too many timesyeah and now that i think of it, it was in the path $ROOT/davesanimalpr0n
Jul 24 15:45:25  Someone has been having trouble for a few days, now can reproduce it & documented it. 
Jul 24 15:45:31  how did you have $ROOT in the filename?
Jul 24 15:45:38 * Chox thinks you are lying!
Jul 24 15:45:46  chox stfu
Jul 24 15:45:58  kd8ikt: that isn't nice, son
Jul 24 15:46:09  Anyway, I happen to know that Dave is into granny stuff.
Jul 24 15:46:13  not animals.
Jul 24 15:47:09  Chox: sorry, I am not aware of what you are saying is for my query. 
Jul 24 15:50:14  :O
Jul 24 15:50:19  Chocky stuff ;p
Jul 24 15:50:24  >:)
Jul 24 15:50:27  woot!
Jul 24 15:52:04  hi
Jul 24 15:52:21  Hallo
Jul 24 15:52:31  Halo
Jul 24 15:53:11 * TimRikerOLS flashes 0430
Jul 24 15:53:24  hah
Jul 24 15:53:40 * Dave flashes leinir
Jul 24 15:53:56 * leinir takes pictures and sticks them up on Flickr ;)
Jul 24 15:54:00  :P~
Jul 24 15:54:02  I got my freerunner yesterday, and already have a Kubuntu Live CD. Now I want to flash a new Image. D'you know a tutorial? My problem seems to be, that dfu-util isn't available.
Jul 24 15:54:03 * Chox fails to think up a suitable flashing remonstration
Jul 24 15:54:04  woot
Jul 24 15:54:16  roterguru: read the getting started guide.
Jul 24 15:54:21  sure it is!
Jul 24 15:54:29  I already read it
Jul 24 15:54:30  including the bit on where to get it :o
Jul 24 15:54:47  rotger, check out the Getting_Started_with_your Freerunner page on the wiki
Jul 24 15:55:01  which point? on getting started?
Jul 24 15:55:14  Chox: it seems SD is not mounted. when I  umount /media/card , got umount: /media/card: not mounted, Is it right?
Jul 24 15:55:23  flashing your freerunner part? :P
Jul 24 15:55:27  ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin
Jul 24 15:55:27  it has a link to dfu-util
Jul 24 15:55:49  ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D openmoko.jffs
Jul 24 15:56:07  kd8ikt: I think you missed the point.
Jul 24 15:56:15  his question was where to get dfu-util
Jul 24 15:56:42  kd8ikt: you can install it into /usr/local/bin and you can skip the ./ :)
Jul 24 15:56:56  ./dfu-util -a tentaclerape -R -D microsoft.bin
Jul 24 15:57:06  I didn't found the flashing point in the content box, but now I found a link :) thx
Jul 24 15:57:15  balrogkun, well, aren't we a smartypants :p
Jul 24 15:57:17  ./dfu-util -a brain -R -D choxspecial
Jul 24 15:57:47  ;)
Jul 24 15:57:57  :)
Jul 24 15:58:14  what's a good page to start looking for images?
Jul 24 15:58:19  heh
Jul 24 15:58:27  magic command: ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D ./dfu-util
Jul 24 15:58:29  again, read all of the getting started guide
Jul 24 15:58:29  start looking for images?
Jul 24 15:58:32  the images pacge
Jul 24 15:58:33  page
Jul 24 15:58:42  it details all the different queer flavors
Jul 24 15:58:55  then hit up buildhost/daily/FR for all your image needs
Jul 24 15:58:57  Dave: dammit, are you saying my FR is gay?
Jul 24 15:59:06  or the respective repos are linked from the images page on the wiki
Jul 24 15:59:10  chox ;p
Jul 24 15:59:16  I'm not sayin' nuttin' :p
Jul 24 16:00:01  next you'll be telling me I have to go _outside_!  
Jul 24 16:03:55  can you explain me *please* what's the root file system is ?
Jul 24 16:03:56  hah
Jul 24 16:04:07  roterguru, it contains all your files and data
Jul 24 16:04:13  roterguru: you might want to ask in #linux
Jul 24 16:04:17  essentially the entire operating system
Jul 24 16:04:18  heeheehee
Jul 24 16:04:26  so programs?
Jul 24 16:04:29  YES
Jul 24 16:04:31  yes 
Jul 24 16:04:33  All your programs...
Jul 24 16:04:39  roterguru: all of it, even devices, in some way
Jul 24 16:04:43  yes, apart from the kernel, at least in the default setup
Jul 24 16:04:43  ... are belong to chocky.
Jul 24 16:04:44  everything and more
Jul 24 16:04:49  Dave: score!
Jul 24 16:04:52  :p
Jul 24 16:05:24  thx
Jul 24 16:06:54  Ahl be bahk.
Jul 24 16:07:39  Open source would die if community doesn't help newcomers/noobs ...
Jul 24 16:07:45  true.
Jul 24 16:08:05  but that's true of any group/technology
Jul 24 16:08:22  *cough* debian *cough*
Jul 24 16:08:38  :D
Jul 24 16:08:42  well, ok.  that has a critical mass such that it has a life of its own.
Jul 24 16:08:49  Well, maybe as of eight years ago.
Jul 24 16:08:59 * Dave bleeds the noobs.
Jul 24 16:09:25 * Chox used to live but a mile from Steve McIntyre.
Jul 24 16:09:53  Open source would die if community doesn't help newcomers/noobs ... => that's not a reason for noobs to not help themself (by searching a little, by reading faq, .. ) before asking for help.
Jul 24 16:09:54  yeah well at least you weren't around the block from Steve Jobs
Jul 24 16:10:04  tauop huhuhu
Jul 24 16:10:07  but of course
Jul 24 16:10:10  well, indeed.  Besides, Steve M. is a good guy
Jul 24 16:10:14  most are individually driven
Jul 24 16:10:16  :P
Jul 24 16:10:39  Tauop: anything is a good reason
Jul 24 16:11:27  balrog-kun: haha so if there are no good reasons, there are no good consequences :D ?
Jul 24 16:11:43  so all is badness.
Jul 24 16:12:03  I am the greetest! Now I am leaving Earth forever, for no raisin!
Jul 24 16:12:20  have your raisin cake and ice it too?
Jul 24 16:12:23  tauop, if english isn't your mother language, and you don't write the heading "flashing your neo" in the content box, it's easily overseen,   and I entered the keywords in google, but didn't get proper results..
Jul 24 16:12:24  Dave: please stay
Jul 24 16:12:45  !
Jul 24 16:12:51 * Chox suggests that Dave has copelling things to do outside of IRC, unlike myself 
Jul 24 16:12:55  compelling
Jul 24 16:13:22  ieatlint: ping
Jul 24 16:13:27  Aw :)
Jul 24 16:13:33  roterguru: but you search for an answer first. That's good.
Jul 24 16:13:39  roterguru: true, however the getting started guide does cover all this :o
Jul 24 16:13:59  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra06d6de89256 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): fix a bunch of logger calls
Jul 24 16:14:00 * Chox appreciates that it's horribly disorganized
Jul 24 16:14:00  Yes, it has become unnaturally extensive -_-
Jul 24 16:14:05  haha
Jul 24 16:14:08 * Dave high-fives Chox
Jul 24 16:14:23  still, a complete mess is better than an incomplete one
Jul 24 16:14:25  roterguru: but if you type "neo", you have to know that it refers to "neolithism", "matrix", and so on :D
Jul 24 16:14:27  Yeah, it's become disgusting.
Jul 24 16:14:45  it's like a half-wit vs a complete idiot.
Jul 24 16:15:23  I always search the web first :)  and I tried a various of keywords... maybe I should switch to google.com instead of de to get better results
Jul 24 16:15:52  googling freerunner no longer gives any results about freerunning on the first page tho :(
Jul 24 16:15:53  roterguru: or
Jul 24 16:16:01  only some nerdy geeky stuff
Jul 24 16:16:53  lucky that you can look at the wiki!
Jul 24 16:18:04  heu.. is it so hard ? -> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=flashing+openmoko
Jul 24 16:18:20  first link : wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
Jul 24 16:20:27  I used 'flash' instead of 'flashing' ... all think you I have to learn
Jul 24 16:21:06  things
Jul 24 16:22:15  cu
Jul 24 16:22:55  flashed 20080430 but X won't finish starting up. I see the panel, but still have plese wait... on screen.
Jul 24 16:22:58  thoughts?
Jul 24 16:23:17  remote ssh works fine.
Jul 24 16:23:25  if this was last year, I'd be suggesting nand erase.
Jul 24 16:23:34  But that can't be still not fixed.
Jul 24 16:23:38  [openmoko-today] 
Jul 24 16:23:42  such a veteran
Jul 24 16:23:49  [phone-kit] 
Jul 24 16:24:08  hmm. I don't recall which u-boot this unit is running. perhaps I need to upgrade that too.
Jul 24 16:24:19  it's been a long time since I reflashed this one.
Jul 24 16:24:25  it's 9.30am - can I go home yet?
Jul 24 16:25:06  TimRikerOLS: Just pester Werner after his keynote. He should be able tpo help you with uboot. :)
Jul 24 16:25:30 * TimRikerOLS nods. stefan_schmidt, are you here?
Jul 24 16:25:31  TimRikerOLS: I mean you are already at OLS. So use this fact for you. :)
Jul 24 16:25:35  anyone know the matchbox keyboard patch?
Jul 24 16:25:37  TimRikerOLS: Sadly not
Jul 24 16:25:51  TimRikerOLS: Never been there. :(
Jul 24 16:25:56  railer: on teh wiki lawlz.
Jul 24 16:25:57  bummer, we'll have to meet face to face eventually. :)
Jul 24 16:26:18  TimRikerOLS: Would be good sometime
Jul 24 16:26:36  beside it's just matchbox-keyboard, should have tried before asking :-*
Jul 24 16:26:57  TimRikerOLS: But as you are from US our conference schedules don't really match I fear.
Jul 24 16:29:00 * TimRikerOLS nods
Jul 24 16:29:39  what u-boot should I be using on a 1bv4?
Jul 24 16:30:20  As I understand it, there are no real issues with the old version - otehr than the nand erase thing.
Jul 24 16:30:31  As I understand it, there are no real issues with the old version - otehr than the nand erase rootfs thing.
Jul 24 16:30:37  nand erase'd be bad.
Jul 24 16:32:05  (openmoko-today:1523): libecal-WARNING **: Cannot activate ECal: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in.
Jul 24 16:34:30  so i have another problem now
Jul 24 16:34:33  a bit big
Jul 24 16:34:57  my wlan ip adress on my laptop is 192.168.0.127 via dhcp.
Jul 24 16:35:12  my usb net freerunner uses 192.168.0.200
Jul 24 16:36:08  with some tricks i can use it both at the same time now but i don't know how i cat attach the neo to wlan (wpa2) internet or usb-lan internet to download some required software
Jul 24 16:36:45  you don't say what your specific problem is.  The wiki talks about USB networking in some detail.
Jul 24 16:36:51  even when i go through the tutorial for wlan on the freerunner page in the wiki some software is missing.
Jul 24 16:37:24  yes my problem is when i have both the same ip adress class the tutorial to get usb networking doesn't work
Jul 24 16:37:35  and i cannot change my internal ip adress
Jul 24 16:37:44  no.
Jul 24 16:37:50  you haven't said your exact problem
Jul 24 16:37:56  TimRikerOLS: This old one was known good. Fixed the nand erase bug:http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin
Jul 24 16:37:57  just "some software is missing"
Jul 24 16:38:14  I wonder wtf Intel is thinking with: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-intel-launches-new-tolapai-system-on-a-chip-design.html
Jul 24 16:38:14  nor what "doesn't work" is.
Jul 24 16:38:20  TimRikerOLS: But it is old. I have to admit that I haven't tested uboot for a long time on the GTA01
Jul 24 16:38:36  wait i tried so much so i canot remomber exactly
Jul 24 16:38:58  e.g. iface to get wireless lan
Jul 24 16:38:59  then it is no good asking advice, unless you have a specific question
Jul 24 16:39:04  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN uses it
Jul 24 16:39:17  otherwise we are all guessing.  will just take longer and waste everyone's time
Jul 24 16:39:37  my question is how can i get my phone to connect to the internet over usb or wlan
Jul 24 16:40:30  yes.  and _what_ _exact_ problem do you have in doing so.  
Jul 24 16:40:31  no sry i wanted to explain my problem so that you know what i mean instead of saying usb net doesn't work
Jul 24 16:40:45 * Chox sighs.
Jul 24 16:41:02  my laptop already uses 192.168.0.127 Ip adress to connect to internet at home
Jul 24 16:41:13  we know. you said.  And you said you used "some tricks"
Jul 24 16:41:14  and neo uses also 192.168.0.200 for internet.
Jul 24 16:41:27  the problem is the "0"
Jul 24 16:41:31  no.
Jul 24 16:41:35  because both use the same
Jul 24 16:42:22  ieatlint alive?
Jul 24 16:42:30  toomuchlint
Jul 24 16:43:01  I think we are lintless
Jul 24 16:43:02  to get usb networking on my neo i turned of wlan0 and then turned on usb0. then i connected to neo. then i runned ceni again to connect to wlan with my laptop and turn on wlan0
Jul 24 16:43:09  otherwise it doesn't work
Jul 24 16:43:25  please don't use the phrase "doesn't work" when reporting problems.
Jul 24 16:43:55  DL.
Jul 24 16:44:01  ...
Jul 24 16:44:01  Hell yeah, baby!
Jul 24 16:44:39  ok do you know another phrase instead of doesn't work?
Jul 24 16:44:43  but to start with, you can split your subnet in two.  
Jul 24 16:44:48  dave dave dave....
Jul 24 16:44:50  i normally speak german so it's not so easy for me
Jul 24 16:45:00  I do, but don't use it.  explain what is wrong, not that some is.  otherwise we're guessing.
Jul 24 16:45:14  I'm not bothered by your English, just your lack of detail.
Jul 24 16:45:26  ifconfig wlan0 subnet 255.255.255.128
Jul 24 16:45:35  Railers!
Jul 24 16:45:35  then the .200 and .127 will be in different subnets.
Jul 24 16:45:57  root@om-gta02:~# ifconfig wlan0 subnet 255.255.255.128
Jul 24 16:45:58  brrrr
Jul 24 16:45:58  ifconfig: bad address 'subnet
Jul 24 16:46:05  sucks.
Jul 24 16:46:10  that's valid.
Jul 24 16:46:12  dave whats up in the nj
Jul 24 16:46:16  sorry
Jul 24 16:46:23  Uhh, the temperature.
Jul 24 16:46:24  ifconfig wlan0 netmask 255.255.255.128
Jul 24 16:46:36  but that's just an example.  you'll need to make it consistent for all the subnets
Jul 24 16:47:03  and similar for the iptables masquerading rule on the wiki.
Jul 24 16:47:30  root@om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.128
Jul 24 16:47:31  ifconfig: SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address
Jul 24 16:47:41  with wlan0 it worked but i think i need eth0
Jul 24 16:47:42  hee haw
Jul 24 16:48:00  because in the tutorial eth0 is the wireless
Jul 24 16:48:04 * DaveLab abstains himself from this conversation.
Jul 24 16:48:11  i have to go eating now i come back later thanks
Jul 24 16:48:24  thomasgruebler_: Edit /etc/network/interfaces and choose a different subnet than 192.168.0.x to use for USB networking. Then it won't be the same subnet as the rest of your LAN and you'll not have these confusing subnet and routing issues
Jul 24 16:48:40 * Chox could be more helpful, but I balk everytime at the "doesn't work" bug report.
Jul 24 16:49:06  And in any case, I'm pretty sure this is covered on teh fabtabulous wiki.
Jul 24 16:49:08  :p
Jul 24 16:49:18  or better yet, the fbsd'ers
Jul 24 16:49:22  Chox: This is covered in "home networking 101" I think ;)
Jul 24 16:50:13  nite613: well, not really.  overlapping subnets can get tricky.  more like networking 102
Jul 24 16:50:15  er, 201
Jul 24 16:50:23  "yo shit is broke" or the more plausible "i broke yo shit," ... reply, 'Will you submit real information such that I may attempt to resolve the issue?' ... 4 months later, still no response... 2 years later, still no response ;P
Jul 24 16:50:30  fucking bitches :]
Jul 24 16:50:32 * Chox makes routers with multiple WAN ports and gateways.  There it gets insane.
Jul 24 16:50:34  Sargun: I suspect heavy doses of good drugs. ntel declined to give a product-by-product TDP breakdown, but indicated that Tolapai TDP ranges from 11W at the low end (600MHz, no accelerators) to 21W at the high-end (1200MHz, w/accelerators).
Jul 24 16:51:05  Dave: yes, or the other way around.  Submit a bug fix to OpenOffice.org/Mozilla/Debian - get it closed 4 years later.
Jul 24 16:51:26  haha, shitty
Jul 24 16:51:27  yeah
Jul 24 16:51:31  fucking mozdev
Jul 24 16:51:34 * DaveLab shakes his fist
Jul 24 16:51:45  NEVER AGAIN!
Jul 24 16:51:45  SpeedEvil, 21W is even unacceptable for my embedded routers
Jul 24 16:51:55  I'm pretty sure it was 4 years for all 3 cases I mention there.
Jul 24 16:51:56  how do i find out what gta02 version i have? (getting ready to flash uboot)
Jul 24 16:51:58  sargun, you cookin' eggs?
Jul 24 16:52:03  Sargun: yeah - even at 11W - claiming mobile is barking mad.
Jul 24 16:52:06  Chox, that's disappointing.
Jul 24 16:52:14  how about 1W? :)
Jul 24 16:52:22  true, I have submitted many Debian bug reports.  Sometimes it's only a year or so.
Jul 24 16:52:23  that seems much more appropriate
Jul 24 16:52:26  Dave: 1W is a bit higher than would be nice.
Jul 24 16:52:26  My routers run at 5W
Jul 24 16:52:30  oh bug reports
Jul 24 16:52:32  no patches?
Jul 24 16:52:38  5W FTW
Jul 24 16:52:42  speedevil, no kidding
Jul 24 16:52:48  0.5W is good
Jul 24 16:52:52  Freerunner :)
Jul 24 16:52:55  Dave: varies.  most of my bug reports include some kind of fix.
Jul 24 16:52:59  heh
Jul 24 16:53:02  yeah
Jul 24 16:53:03  SOME KIND
Jul 24 16:53:21  how many obstacles, traps, and loop-de-loops does it contain? :D
Jul 24 16:53:25  I can just see it now ;)
Jul 24 16:53:33  yes. my dirty one line patches.
Jul 24 16:53:37  oh and do elf cookies come included in it? :)
Jul 24 16:55:11  Joerg, awake yet? :]
Jul 24 16:55:48  dave: hi
Jul 24 16:55:58  Dubious Dave, that's you
Jul 24 16:56:55  No kidding
Jul 24 16:56:57  Hi Joerg :D
Jul 24 16:58:09  DaveLab: just openng my suitcases in .tw, so not really online yet
Jul 24 16:58:50  when flashing uboot should i boot into NOR? or does it matter
Jul 24 16:58:59  doesn't matter
Jul 24 16:59:06  uboot is loaded into RAM before running
Jul 24 16:59:16  at least, in most setups :o
Jul 24 16:59:23  heehee
Jul 24 16:59:27  what's the difference between nor and nand?
Jul 24 16:59:32  i mean use
Jul 24 16:59:37  TAsn: read the getting started guide.
Jul 24 16:59:43  haha
Jul 24 16:59:44  Indeed
Jul 24 16:59:51  Chox, i think i read it, one you can flash and one you can't
Jul 24 16:59:58  That's unfortunately going to become the coined response for 90% of the inquiries in here.
Jul 24 17:00:07  Tasn, read it again :p
Jul 24 17:00:08  so one you can blow away and one you can't.
Jul 24 17:00:09  hm my nand version says apr 2 but i still have to nand erase every update 
Jul 24 17:00:14  though why is that, and what are the advantages of each?
Jul 24 17:00:19  well i wil go there again.
Jul 24 17:00:44  i heard any uboots before 2008 needed to nand erase
Jul 24 17:00:51  Hey all... can I get a USB adapter to make a regular USB port for the freerunner ?
Jul 24 17:01:02  but mines 2008 and i still have to nand erase
Jul 24 17:01:23  anyone know the exact date that was implemented
Jul 24 17:02:07  :D
Jul 24 17:02:11  i swear to god there's nothing about it there.
Jul 24 17:02:20  nand erase wifiweasel
Jul 24 17:02:44  nand erase dave
Jul 24 17:02:54  so will an update fix my need to constantly nand erase rootfs?
Jul 24 17:03:09  ah yes, good times:  http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=31709
Jul 24 17:03:52  "OOo Later"
Jul 24 17:04:57  haha, ziemlich häßliche ...
Jul 24 17:05:29  Dave: need a handkerchief?
Jul 24 17:05:42  :P
Jul 24 17:05:48  possibly
Jul 24 17:05:56  Hydrant, http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?d__z3usbhost__Sharp_Zaurus_USB_Host_Adapter870.htm seems like one, so I guess there are others available too.
Jul 24 17:06:00  ze germans are teh fugging up everything.
Jul 24 17:06:07  so, we just sold a device to be shipped to the North Pole.  kid you not.
Jul 24 17:06:09  http://www.tca-inc.net/usbmatousbbf.html
Jul 24 17:06:12  surprisingly a couple are pimpin' it out
Jul 24 17:06:13  I found that one too
Jul 24 17:06:16  don't mention the war.
Jul 24 17:06:19  chox, congratulations?
Jul 24 17:06:34  Dave: as long as I don't have to go onsite.
Jul 24 17:08:59  Chox :)
Jul 24 17:09:06  I would, that'd be sweet (once or twice)
Jul 24 17:09:13  I'd bring a BIG gun with me, too :]
Jul 24 17:09:20  well, it would mean visiting Kanuckistan :o
Jul 24 17:09:26  OH
Jul 24 17:09:28  haha, fuck that?
Jul 24 17:09:35  I thought just igloos and penguins
Jul 24 17:09:38  and possibly polar bears :)
Jul 24 17:09:48  precious ivory...
Jul 24 17:11:16  sigh.  penguins are the _South Pole_
Jul 24 17:11:28  and New Zealand, Argentina, etc.
Jul 24 17:11:40  dumb ass ;-)
Jul 24 17:12:51  :D
Jul 24 17:13:21  I was merely attempting to provide additional hilarity :)
Jul 24 17:13:38  double team
Jul 24 17:13:52  :D
Jul 24 17:14:01 * DaveLab double-high-fives chox
Jul 24 17:14:14  maybe it's a high-ten then :o
Jul 24 17:15:10  Just feedback: It would be cool if the openmoko screen were a little bigger. So it would be even more fun browse the web via Wifi from my sofa. Almost as the Nokia 810
Jul 24 17:15:27  so get an 810 :o
Jul 24 17:15:35  opkg install bigger-screen
Jul 24 17:15:41  or an iPhone!  ;-)
Jul 24 17:15:52  Make sure you don't move your moko while the nano-bots work on extending the LCD, though
Jul 24 17:16:13  I would like get all inside my openmoko device: phone, internet tablet, gps, audio and video play and recording, games, agenda, etc.
Jul 24 17:16:35  well, FR can potentially do all that.
Jul 24 17:16:42  for values of "games"
Jul 24 17:16:43  It is just feedback
Jul 24 17:16:49  get hacking!
Jul 24 17:17:02  What distro are you using for internet browsing via wifi?
Jul 24 17:17:12  debian
Jul 24 17:17:18  Debian on my laptop
Jul 24 17:17:44  ubuntu is corporate, debian is community
Jul 24 17:18:01  ubuntu is another debian parasite
Jul 24 17:18:05  one Debian to ru(l)e them all.
Jul 24 17:18:37  democratic
Jul 24 17:18:38  ubuntu seems to have progressed the state of the desktop more than debian recently, so I don't view it as parasitic.
Jul 24 17:18:42  maybe symbiotic :)
Jul 24 17:19:00  feminite
Jul 24 17:19:12 * richiefrich wonders is this the channel for the openmoko cell phone
Jul 24 17:19:15  people vs business
Jul 24 17:19:18  haha
Jul 24 17:19:26  rich vs poor.
Jul 24 17:19:30 * Chox vs the world
Jul 24 17:19:31  o.O
Jul 24 17:19:32  richiefrich, no, we're more about hentai
Jul 24 17:19:38  Chox vs Chocky
Jul 24 17:19:39  richiefrich: no, this is the channel for the Open Boogers project
Jul 24 17:19:44  mjr: lol
Jul 24 17:19:58  I have found Qtopia to be the most useful(stable) distro for everyday use as a phone. Looking for some advice/opinions.
Jul 24 17:19:59  collaberative, mjr? o.O
Jul 24 17:20:00  well do you all own one?
Jul 24 17:20:09  all 300 people in the channel?
Jul 24 17:20:10  How would that even work?? *shudder*
Jul 24 17:20:24  there's like 20 people here
Jul 24 17:20:35  and chocky and I make up about 80 of them, together
Jul 24 17:21:06  mjr: when did you get yours?
Jul 24 17:21:08  "additional hilarity"
Jul 24 17:21:12 * sparrow looks in
Jul 24 17:21:46  richiefrich, oh when I was like 15 my friends showed me Urotsukidoji in an anime night
Jul 24 17:22:16  DaveLab, collaboration is easy, when you've got a tentacle per
Jul 24 17:24:38  hahaha
Jul 24 17:24:51  just don't mention tubgirl.
Jul 24 17:24:51  anyone know a fix for XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success
Jul 24 17:24:56  mjr, did you see my dfu-util comment earlier, along those lines? :p
Jul 24 17:25:04  Chox: YOU JUST DID!
Jul 24 17:25:46  girls in tubes!
Jul 24 17:25:53  tubegirl?
Jul 24 17:25:57  that sounds wrong
Jul 24 17:26:31  yes, the 80s called, they want their tube tops back.
Jul 24 17:26:46  DaveLab, those, yes
Jul 24 17:26:52  tentacoo wape!
Jul 24 17:27:14  :D
Jul 24 17:27:19  mjr, I like your style!
Jul 24 17:27:39  Let's be friends :)
Jul 24 17:30:33  damn it's hard to search webcomics though
Jul 24 17:31:07  suomalainen?
Jul 24 17:31:27  yes
Jul 24 17:31:30  ecraven!
Jul 24 17:31:41  mjr, pidätkö oluesta? :D
Jul 24 17:31:58  en tiedä :]
Jul 24 17:32:04  ;)
Jul 24 17:32:21  Hm, not enough vowels in those Polish names
Jul 24 17:32:32  it's like Welsh, but with 'k's
Jul 24 17:32:45  DaveLab: en puhua suomeksi
Jul 24 17:32:54  :O
Jul 24 17:33:01  :D
Jul 24 17:33:20  vowels are overrated
Jul 24 17:33:43  [ye]s.
Jul 24 17:33:47  balrog, and yet you seem to find numbers to be a suitable substitute.
Jul 24 17:34:01 * Chox laffs.
Jul 24 17:34:09 * DaveLab beers
Jul 24 17:34:19  beer for everyone!!
Jul 24 17:34:23  whee
Jul 24 17:34:39  oh we could substitute all letters with numbers
Jul 24 17:34:40  as long as we're not at SeaWorld, that's fine by me
Jul 24 17:34:47 * balrog-k1n just had his great idea
Jul 24 17:34:51  ~beer DaveLab 
Jul 24 17:34:52 * apt pours a quart of Piraat for DaveLab
Jul 24 17:35:21  Bud, Bud lite or Michelob
Jul 24 17:39:11  ah yes, found it: http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20050612.html
Jul 24 17:39:17  Does anyone else having troule building glibc with the makefile?
Jul 24 17:39:26  Bails out on some sanity check
Jul 24 17:39:56  Hehe, ghastly's ghastly comic, or tentacle monsters and the women who love them ;)
Jul 24 17:42:19  lpotter:ping
Jul 24 17:43:46  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r245bbdd15d9e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: busycover instead of busywin.
Jul 24 17:44:08  freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9345efc1e539 10/framework/patterns/ (__init__.py asyncworker.py): 
Jul 24 17:44:08  freesmartphone.org: start python/dbus/glib pattern library which will become standalone later on.
Jul 24 17:44:08  freesmartphone.org: first element: AsyncWorker which will be used in odeviced/Input and odeviced/Audio plugins.
Jul 24 17:46:59  so says the leinir
Jul 24 17:47:11  sekret vorlon sekz
Jul 24 17:47:28  DaveLab: It's the full title of that web comic ;)
Jul 24 17:47:52 * DaveLab shrugs
Jul 24 17:48:08  make your own
Jul 24 17:48:34  Well... i was in one ages back, kinda ;)
Jul 24 17:48:37  The openmoko is comical enough, I'm sure we could all pitch in to create a successful webcomic.
Jul 24 17:49:11  you assume too much of our drawing skills
Jul 24 17:49:22  Who said anything about drawing?
Jul 24 17:49:27  someone please update the /topic . it seems that the 850's are out of stock, again
Jul 24 17:49:27  Chox: Well... you know xkcd? ;)
Jul 24 17:49:29  Plus my drawing skills are quite suitable, thank you.
Jul 24 17:49:48  someone said a shipment may be arriving tomorrow?
Jul 24 17:49:51  I guess stick figures would suffice
Jul 24 17:50:02  Is freerunner not even a stable phone if running the qtopia image?
Jul 24 17:50:15  I would say that is correct.
Jul 24 17:50:19  My Treo 750 is dying. Was hoping I could switch to the freerunner. But it looks like that may be a while.
Jul 24 17:50:30 * DaveLab hides from leinir
Jul 24 17:51:38  tessier_: and so with the credit card points from the group buy, I got a $25 gift card from Sports Authority. fnar!
Jul 24 17:52:24  Chox: Cool
Jul 24 17:52:44  I should probably just flash mine over to ASU since that is what will ultimately be shipping as the official openmoko os it seems
Jul 24 17:53:04  it might not be stable, but I hope it is atleast working.. I can start importing and converting all my 500+ contacts to FR, and learn how to operate, script in the process, but the time it is stabel 'enought', (April/August?) I will master these skills :-)
Jul 24 17:53:25  so it is not a wasted time if you look positively :-)
Jul 24 17:54:09  uh oh, IRCing from a conference
Jul 24 17:54:16  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8878972c2e53 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix flaunch...
Jul 24 17:54:50  that's a paddlin'
Jul 24 17:55:37  did anyone tried the new uboot on the freerunner?
Jul 24 17:55:41 * DaveLab tentacools mjr
Jul 24 17:55:47  malik1972: yessir
Jul 24 17:56:18  Chox: hi, any problems? did you changed your uboot_env for booting on sd ...
Jul 24 17:56:26  yes.
Jul 24 17:56:39  the main problem is that serial access is horrrifically buggy
Jul 24 17:56:41  Chox: can you upload your env?
Jul 24 17:56:42  er, -r
Jul 24 17:56:47  who know.. I may be contributing to the development towards the stable version :-)
Jul 24 17:56:51  doubt it ;-)
Jul 24 17:56:58  Chox: how many partitions you configured?
Jul 24 17:57:02  just one
Jul 24 17:57:05  okay
Jul 24 17:57:07  Anyone know how to automate the editing of your addressbook? I tried to edit ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db but if you edit it -- it seems to get corrupted. It appears I have to add "+1" to all of my contacts in order for their name to appear when they call?
Jul 24 17:57:13  or atleast .. adding some cool useless Apps
Jul 24 17:57:16  :-)
Jul 24 17:57:25  Chox: it runs well? and it loads the battery?
Jul 24 17:57:37  loads the battery?
Jul 24 17:57:47  like, with a robotic arm?
Jul 24 17:58:26  Chox: hehe, i thought it would do some powermanagement
Jul 24 17:59:04  I see.  you mean power saving improvements in u-boot.  dunno about those.
Jul 24 17:59:05  So, how's deb running so far?
Jul 24 17:59:17  chox, the power improvements are minimal
Jul 24 17:59:26  I bust the touchscreen input.  haven't looked since
Jul 24 17:59:33  other than prevention of deep discharging by enabling at least a 100mA charge, I believe.
Jul 24 17:59:38  chox :(
Jul 24 17:59:43 * Chox bizzy!
Jul 24 17:59:44  we were working on it recently, where were you?
Jul 24 17:59:49 * DaveLab summons the ecraven
Jul 24 18:00:10  okay, will try it later
Jul 24 18:01:43  oh. man.
Jul 24 18:03:21  how do I enter "/" key in OM2007 terminal?
Jul 24 18:03:34  one more question
Jul 24 18:03:40  zandini_: see Switching_Keyboards on the wiki ;-)
Jul 24 18:03:46  i have the following line in uboot_env
Jul 24 18:03:49  menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000
Jul 24 18:04:02  you want mmcblk0p1 if you want to be cool like me
Jul 24 18:04:04  zandini_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Pagewiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner
Jul 24 18:04:13  i want to change it to fit with the new uboot
Jul 24 18:04:18  zandini_: alternatively you can fix the keyboard layout file to add / to something other than 0
Jul 24 18:04:27  for multitap
Jul 24 18:04:45  can't remember the name of the file but it'd be something like /etc/multitap.conf or similar
Jul 24 18:04:46  and change fatload to ext2load
Jul 24 18:05:12  oohh Thanks guys!
Jul 24 18:05:23  chox: thats it? same adress ...
Jul 24 18:05:41  Elleo: You meant http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Complete_QWERTY_Keyboard_On_The_Freerunner
Jul 24 18:05:45  there would be no reason to change the address.  That's the start of physical memory (or so)
Jul 24 18:05:57  possibly logical.  I forget the exact setup.
Jul 24 18:06:01  And it's a redirect to the page I linked him to :-)
Jul 24 18:06:05  chox: okay, and for ext3 i use ext3load
Jul 24 18:06:14  maybe still ext2load.  
Jul 24 18:06:23  I don't think there's an ext3load, might be wrong.
Jul 24 18:06:35  What a lovely application name: came
Jul 24 18:06:47  ./came a chameleon
Jul 24 18:07:00  chox: before i had the kernel on the fat partition of the card, how i see this in th ebaove line?
Jul 24 18:07:16  it's correct for that
Jul 24 18:07:20  wurp2|awayish: woops
Jul 24 18:07:24  it's just now in the ext2/3 partition
Jul 24 18:07:29  How are you Wurps?
Jul 24 18:07:30  just it just referes to /uBoot.bin
Jul 24 18:07:34  refers
Jul 24 18:07:55  will try it
Jul 24 18:07:58  oh, and you'll probably want to change /etc/fstab, but that's less important
Jul 24 18:08:55  Chox, what!?
Jul 24 18:09:02  when will the new batch start selling in the openmoko store?
Jul 24 18:09:13  blippe, come back tomorrow!
Jul 24 18:09:47  DaveLab: i don't want to miss out :D
Jul 24 18:10:07  ok, be back tomorrow. 
Jul 24 18:10:29  :D
Jul 24 18:10:54  pfffft, who ship slinux without gcc installed?
Jul 24 18:11:49  teh gimps
Jul 24 18:14:54  rakastan norjalaisia!
Jul 24 18:14:54  could someone point me to a link about the non-free software parts of openmoko (like the gsm firmware etc)?
Jul 24 18:14:56  Harald going to shape up VIA, apparently :)
Jul 24 18:15:56  ams, i think that's only the gsm.
Jul 24 18:16:04  and GPS internals :p
Jul 24 18:16:05  ams: You can remove the "like" and "etc" in that comment, it's the only closed part ;)
Jul 24 18:16:22  Chox: i thought that was free?
Jul 24 18:16:38  which is illegal to be open in many places around the world...
Jul 24 18:16:46  TAsn: Yup :)
Jul 24 18:16:53  I recall different comments, but I dunno. are all the schematics for the GPS open? ;-)
Jul 24 18:17:13 * nuclear_eclipse thinks the Atheros chip is also "closed", but with open source drivers?
Jul 24 18:17:27  or did I misunderstand?
Jul 24 18:17:29  nuclear_eclipse: i asked for free software, open source can be non-free software...
Jul 24 18:17:30  most major peripheral chips have proprietary firmware (gsm, gps, wifi, bluetooth, glamo)
Jul 24 18:17:46  leinir: do you have a link or similar?
Jul 24 18:18:12  uh oh, OSS vs Free software hair splitting ;-)
Jul 24 18:18:20  ams: i'm afraid i don't, but check the wiki :)
Jul 24 18:18:23 * nuclear_eclipse runs
Jul 24 18:19:01 * Chox runs after nuclear
Jul 24 18:19:21  leinir: thanks
Jul 24 18:20:13  oh, and it's Linux, just Linux, not GNU/X11/KDE/Linux...
Jul 24 18:20:23  GNU/FreeRunner
Jul 24 18:20:27  it's weird, sometimes my wifi just stalls while installing stuff
Jul 24 18:20:30 * nuclear_eclipse cries
Jul 24 18:21:08  should make a GNU software free version of the FreeRunner ;-)
Jul 24 18:21:12  that wouldn't be that hard.
Jul 24 18:22:00  I suspect there are only a couple of things in the default image which are GNU projects
Jul 24 18:22:22  heh
Jul 24 18:22:31  is busybox gnu?
Jul 24 18:22:34  oh yeah, gplic :o
Jul 24 18:22:35  Chox: it's very much BusyBox/Freerunner :P
Jul 24 18:22:36  nope.
Jul 24 18:22:40  glibc
Jul 24 18:22:43  Chox, OpenHurd ?
Jul 24 18:22:44  :-)
Jul 24 18:22:53  you'd have to ulibc it or something.
Jul 24 18:23:13  heh
Jul 24 18:23:18  openwrt for example is GNU free by default
Jul 24 18:23:27  well, i understand stallman these days
Jul 24 18:23:28  :O
Jul 24 18:23:33  Is somebody starting to work to reverse engineer the non-free software GSM BLOB which openmoko uses?
Jul 24 18:23:33  the GNU part means that it is based on the GNU operating system, it has nothing to do with which software it includes
Jul 24 18:23:33  aww, poor nuclear eclipse
Jul 24 18:23:39  i've seen the godness of lisp machines in action
Jul 24 18:23:42  anyone know whats up with SDL on the GTA01?  i think its really borked.
Jul 24 18:23:48  almost made me cry ;)
Jul 24 18:23:52  actually still does
Jul 24 18:23:56  ams: no idea what you're on about.
Jul 24 18:24:00 * DaveLab suspect leinir
Jul 24 18:24:21  you guys still being gay in here?
Jul 24 18:24:31  yes.
Jul 24 18:24:31  DaveLab: Sorry, just drifting through and saw the inevitable keyboard Q
Jul 24 18:24:34  ~faq
Jul 24 18:24:35  somebody said faq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ
Jul 24 18:24:50  Chox: clarification why GNU/Linux is called GNU/Linux, and why BusyBox/Freerunner is incorrect, busybox is not a operating system, neither is linux
Jul 24 18:25:11  ams: sorry, still makes no sense.  I'm well aware of "GNU/Linux".
Jul 24 18:25:18  ams: that's incorrect
Jul 24 18:25:35  wurp :)
Jul 24 18:25:54  GNU is a set of userland tools, and so is BusyBox; but Linux is the OS kernel
Jul 24 18:26:09  I don't care for hair splitting arguments about what is and what isn't an OS.  My point is purely as a theoretical exercise to exclude GNU projects.
Jul 24 18:26:12  nuclear_eclipse: not at all, GNU is an operating system, like for example BSD
Jul 24 18:26:21  yeah, right.
Jul 24 18:26:24  like windows
Jul 24 18:26:26  ...
Jul 24 18:26:32  ams: GNU *Hurd* is an OS kernel, but GNU itself is not
Jul 24 18:26:43  nuclear_eclipse: i never talked about kernels, i talked about the operating system
Jul 24 18:26:48  and pansy arguments like this are a good reason to exclude GNU software from FR :p
Jul 24 18:26:51  a gnu is a goddamn animal
Jul 24 18:26:54  and now shap
Jul 24 18:27:00  Fossi: point!
Jul 24 18:27:05  shap?
Jul 24 18:27:06  nuclear_eclipse: and you are actually incorrect about that, the GNU Hurd is a set of user space programs, translators, and libraries, GNU Mach is the kernel
Jul 24 18:27:10  shut up
Jul 24 18:27:12  damn
Jul 24 18:27:14  GNU is a goddamn animal you freakin' geeks
Jul 24 18:27:17  ams: look, we don't give a shit about GNU hurd
Jul 24 18:27:24  KDE is just an optional desktop manager, as GNOME is. KDE or GNOME is not part of the Operating System.  You can just install the GNU/Linux Operating System without any graphic environment.
Jul 24 18:27:24  :-p
Jul 24 18:27:25  CVirus: beat you to it ;)
Jul 24 18:27:26  this is about the FreeRunner
Jul 24 18:27:30  wahahaha
Jul 24 18:27:37 * Chox sorries for starting this.
Jul 24 18:27:42  ;D
Jul 24 18:27:44  haha, Cvirus :p
Jul 24 18:27:48  You are all experts, aren't you! :)
Jul 24 18:27:52  herd!
Jul 24 18:27:57 * nuclear_eclipse kicks Chox
Jul 24 18:28:04 * Chox is enkickened
Jul 24 18:28:05  which reminds me of http://bash.org/?14258
Jul 24 18:28:05  hahaha
Jul 24 18:28:16  stop it
Jul 24 18:28:17  please
Jul 24 18:28:20  In some cases, you can use the linux kernel alone.
Jul 24 18:28:22  we need an ops 
Jul 24 18:28:24  At least with 2.4
Jul 24 18:28:25  haha
Jul 24 18:28:27  CVirus: you bash.org weenie
Jul 24 18:28:29  torpor, yes?
Jul 24 18:28:30  to kick you freakin' weenies  out
Jul 24 18:28:33  What do you need?
Jul 24 18:28:37  dude
Jul 24 18:28:38  ?
Jul 24 18:28:42  It could be setup as a router on kernel command line
Jul 24 18:28:43  why do we NOT have a bash viewer on the freerunner?
Jul 24 18:28:47  SpeedEvil, you can not use the Linux kernel if you not compile it with gcc
Jul 24 18:28:51  it should totally be put in the community-repository :D
Jul 24 18:28:54  please kick all discussions as above ^^^
Jul 24 18:29:07  First one to do so gets a free pizza on me!
Jul 24 18:29:18  what is bash viewer?
Jul 24 18:29:31  anyone know whats up with SDL?
Jul 24 18:29:34  CVirus: well, that was the obvious reference, wasn't it? ;)
Jul 24 18:29:47  malik1972: pong
Jul 24 18:30:07  Fossi: sure thing .. hehe
Jul 24 18:30:08  DaveLab: alias bashview="curl http://bash.org/?" :P
Jul 24 18:30:10  lpotter: ping
Jul 24 18:30:40  What about reverse engineer the non-free software GSM BLOB which openmoko uses?
Jul 24 18:30:44  poing
Jul 24 18:30:50  I think law does not prohibit it?
Jul 24 18:30:51  davi: have fun!
Jul 24 18:30:57  davi: suppose, but to what end?  
Jul 24 18:31:18  might be illegal in US. dunno
Jul 24 18:31:23  Chox, get all 100% free software.
Jul 24 18:31:27  \o/
Jul 24 18:31:29  and beer
Jul 24 18:31:31  \o\
Jul 24 18:31:35  100% free beer
Jul 24 18:31:39  totally good
Jul 24 18:31:42  don't be evil
Jul 24 18:31:46  drink more beer
Jul 24 18:31:54  davi, you'd only have non-free stuff on bluetooth, wifi, gps and gpu chips then!
Jul 24 18:32:02  davi: personally, there comes a time when it's not worth it, if it's working properly.  maybe that's just me.
Jul 24 18:32:15  SPeedevil, please tell me the next model will have a fully functional usb2.0 bus
Jul 24 18:32:19  and yeah, starting with the gsm chip is the most insane option for all the illegality of it
Jul 24 18:32:23  actually, if i was to reverse engineer anything, it would be the graphics accelerator
Jul 24 18:32:31  because i *really* want it
Jul 24 18:32:36  I was just thinking of slapping a radeon on it today
Jul 24 18:32:41  well under it, to be more precise
Jul 24 18:32:54  holy water-cooled freerunners batman!
Jul 24 18:32:58  xD
Jul 24 18:33:01  and run the x86 driver under emulation?
Jul 24 18:33:03  DaveLab: The next model will have a USB3 bus. And a puppy.
Jul 24 18:33:13  Dave: post pics ;)
Jul 24 18:33:14  _and_ a pony.
Jul 24 18:33:29  there'd be something to be gained from free firmware on the wifi chip too, if one's into REing. Still less illegal :]
Jul 24 18:33:35  this channel is getting a little crazy
Jul 24 18:33:53  Chox, I agree with you it should not be a priority, but it could be fun than at 2015 anyone could get such software stack and setup its own GSM network at Alaska or at Mars
Jul 24 18:34:08  non-free software is always an stopper
Jul 24 18:34:16  well, get hacking.
Jul 24 18:34:18  you Martian
Jul 24 18:34:31  I will get it ready for 2015 :)
Jul 24 18:34:38  just joking
Jul 24 18:34:59  Speedevil, really really? :D
Jul 24 18:35:05  Fossi, sure
Jul 24 18:35:21  !&@%#@& I can't get this friggin' camera to work
Jul 24 18:35:26  next people will want to reverse engineer atoms or something.
Jul 24 18:35:33  atoms
Jul 24 18:35:35  or demand the universe's source code
Jul 24 18:35:50  #!/usr/bin/bigbang
Jul 24 18:35:55  actually, sometimes, i'd like to tinker with it a little
Jul 24 18:36:16  I guess the people at LHC are working on it
Jul 24 18:36:29  needz moar entropee: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/universe
Jul 24 18:36:45  wtf.
Jul 24 18:36:50  How are you fossi? :)
Jul 24 18:36:51  let's drain a neigboring universe
Jul 24 18:36:56  Chox :D
Jul 24 18:36:58  i just installed gcc and it's not in the path?
Jul 24 18:37:00  I liked that one too ;)
Jul 24 18:37:03  fossi heehe
Jul 24 18:37:06  guess not :p
Jul 24 18:37:16  speaking of which, someone tell me what module I need for this friggin' thing
Jul 24 18:37:18  fuck entropy, we can always get more of that in the universe
Jul 24 18:37:59  ok, so pump it out.  use a nearby wormhole.
Jul 24 18:38:13  can have like entropy credits or something.
Jul 24 18:38:23  and the US can just ignore the rules.
Jul 24 18:39:33  Fossi: install gcc-symlinks
Jul 24 18:39:41  who needs entropy
Jul 24 18:39:47  we already have scandanavia ;p
Jul 24 18:39:48  and g++-symlinks, and binutils-symlinks.... etc
Jul 24 18:39:56  thanks
Jul 24 18:40:01  i remember reading somewhere a while ago about using webcams, and the LSB of some pixel data for entropy.  couldn't the same sort of thing be done w/ sound?
Jul 24 18:40:28  "please shout into your phone to generate a random number"
Jul 24 18:40:36  has anyone disassembled the freerunner?  same procedure as 1973?
Jul 24 18:40:41  ambient noise should be enough, no?
Jul 24 18:40:42  "no enough, louder"
Jul 24 18:40:49  UndrWater: yep
Jul 24 18:41:18  UndrWater: remove torx screws, insert guirat pick, etc
Jul 24 18:41:18  feitingen: there's a paper "x" covering one of the torx screws....scared me...is that it's purpose? :)
Jul 24 18:41:27  Chox the webcams where in the dark, by the way (IIRC)
Jul 24 18:41:29  oh yes, reminds me of a cartoon.
Jul 24 18:41:49  UndrWater: i think so, it doesnt seem to affect anything else
Jul 24 18:41:51  http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/29-Just-Say-It.aspx
Jul 24 18:41:55  UndrWater, my guess is warranty voider
Jul 24 18:42:50  int warranty(void) 
Jul 24 18:42:58  then the first thing i did when i got my freerunner was to void the warranty...
Jul 24 18:43:03  peepsalot: it was mentioned on the mailing list that sticker vas indeed *not* a warranty voider
Jul 24 18:43:16  nuclear_eclipse, ah ok, sorry for the misinfo
Jul 24 18:43:21  well, that would be stupid.
Jul 24 18:43:47  choice quote: Your warranty should be void if you *don't* open up your Freerunner :P
Jul 24 18:43:48  what purpose does the sticker serve then?
Jul 24 18:43:48  the warranty is only something like a month anyways, right?
Jul 24 18:44:26  nuclear_eclipse: then a "death lies beyond this flimsy sticker" kind of warning?
Jul 24 18:44:35  here be dragons.
Jul 24 18:44:54 * toggles_w was eaten by a gru once
Jul 24 18:45:05  it sucks, i have a whole set of torx drivers, from t6-t20, but of course the only one i can't find is the t6
Jul 24 18:45:11  I reckon it's more of a "you should know exactly what you're doing first" type of sticker
Jul 24 18:45:42  "open this, and RMS may get you"
Jul 24 18:45:56  nuclear_eclipse, i figured the torx screws would already give that message
Jul 24 18:46:02  :-)
Jul 24 18:46:04  nuclear_eclipse: yep...i forgot my pirate "arrr" in there
Jul 24 18:46:26  talk like a pirate day is in a few weeks!
Jul 24 18:46:31  Why would RMS care if you open up your "open source" hardware?
Jul 24 18:46:42  peepsalot: unfortunately, not enough people even know what a torx bit is...
Jul 24 18:46:50  sitwon: maybe he'd care if you didn't
Jul 24 18:47:27  I've seen people ruin torx screws/bits by trying to use them with philips type bits/screws
Jul 24 18:47:35  I don't think it's any of his business what I do with my phone! 
Jul 24 18:47:40  they should read the wikipedia entry :p
Jul 24 18:47:59  sitwon: he might want to make it his - hence the warning ;-)
Jul 24 18:48:53  yea, he does seem to have a tendencys to spread like a virus and claim ownership of things....
Jul 24 18:50:01  go let somebody show you a lisp machine
Jul 24 18:50:11  it's perrty in there
Jul 24 18:50:13  i understood his anger afterwards
Jul 24 18:51:29  why is it that opkg first installs a package and then the dependencies?
Jul 24 18:52:03  wouldn't it make more sense the other way around?
Jul 24 18:53:22  Fossi: for opkg, "installing" means unpacking it, then it actually configures them in appropriate order based on dependencies
Jul 24 18:53:28  aye
Jul 24 18:53:37  on Debian it's much the same
Jul 24 18:53:46  ah, yeah, i see
Jul 24 18:53:59  Debian just doesn't call the unpacking stage "installing" :P
Jul 24 18:54:01  and Fedroa is just broken.
Jul 24 18:54:01  never noticed that
Jul 24 18:54:06  Fedora
Jul 24 18:54:15 * Fossi has been on gentoo for a while
Jul 24 18:54:16  Chox: Red Hat is broken :P
Jul 24 18:54:26  everything using RPM is broken.
Jul 24 18:54:29  and suse is just plain wrong
Jul 24 18:54:31  +1000
Jul 24 18:54:35 * Chox mumbles about ricers.
Jul 24 18:54:41  :P
Jul 24 18:55:04  "your post-install script failed.  That's ok, I'll just say your package installed fine anyway.  no one will care"
Jul 24 18:55:14  I rediscovered the "Gentoo is for ricers" page again the other day; nothing has changed in years, and it's still funny :D
Jul 24 18:56:24  http://web.archive.org/web/20061004200708/http://www.funroll-loops.org/
Jul 24 18:56:33  :D
Jul 24 18:56:46  hate on gentoo all you want, but I still think the ebuild system is awesome
Jul 24 18:56:52  bitbake uses a derivative of it
Jul 24 18:56:59 * DaveLab makes some popcorn
Jul 24 18:57:20  with images: http://web.archive.org/web/20060621125829/http://www.funroll-loops.org/
Jul 24 18:57:23  kelvie_work: I'm not hating on Gentoo, just a portion of its less intelligent users :P
Jul 24 18:58:08  huhu :D
Jul 24 18:59:21  Chox: fun :)
Jul 24 19:01:42  "gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory" why is that?
Jul 24 19:01:47  so wtf are USE flags?
Jul 24 19:02:20  when you compile a package, you can choose some stuff
Jul 24 19:02:22  Chox: simple answer is universal --with/--without arguments to ./configure
Jul 24 19:02:25  mostly via configure flags
Jul 24 19:02:32  I see.
Jul 24 19:02:44  which is really great
Jul 24 19:02:49  very convenient
Jul 24 19:02:59  been messed up with debian so often :\
Jul 24 19:03:02  aw.
Jul 24 19:03:11  no, binary packages are convenient, USE flags are "nifty" ;)
Jul 24 19:03:20  then again, the best thing about gentoo prolly is portage and overlays
Jul 24 19:03:21  they are not without fault though.. a lot of times you have to recompile a chain of stuff because you set the wrong one (or forgot to set one)
Jul 24 19:03:31  kelvie_work: yes.
Jul 24 19:03:33  no.. portage sucks.. the ebuild system is nice though
Jul 24 19:03:39  but on ubuntu it's a _lot_ worse
Jul 24 19:03:41  hi, need help
Jul 24 19:03:45  menu_1=Boot from Part1: setenv bootargs rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 mtdparts mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) ro; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 uImage.bin; bootm 0x32000000
Jul 24 19:03:45  because it's a lot harder to compile that chain
Jul 24 19:04:02  nuclear_eclipse: agreed on the binary...but USE makes compiling source convenient...so it's both
Jul 24 19:04:02 * Chox cross compiles loads of stuff from Debian sources for RISC OS (non-POSIX ARM-based OS).   know allllll about configure flags and stuff.   
Jul 24 19:04:03  I remember trying to get mp4 support in gtkpod a couple of releases back
Jul 24 19:04:12  it required recompiling of... many libraries
Jul 24 19:04:17  does the new uboot expects an ext2 fs?
Jul 24 19:04:19  and building a deb takes ages
Jul 24 19:04:32  kelvie_work: depends on the package.  sometimes, yes.   sometimes no.
Jul 24 19:04:34  kelvie_work: not really
Jul 24 19:04:50  I think it was gutsy that didn't have mp4 support
Jul 24 19:04:57  hey guys ...
Jul 24 19:05:00  it was a pain to get ffmpeg up and running with mp4 support without breaking stuff
Jul 24 19:05:03  if it's something like OpenOffice.org, or Mozilla, yes ;-)
Jul 24 19:05:10  build the gstreamer plugin then
Jul 24 19:05:16  how stable is currently freerunner in a scale out of 10?
Jul 24 19:05:22  Hello dcordes :)
Jul 24 19:05:28  but all these issues are in OE of course.
Jul 24 19:05:30  dcordes_: doesn't work with gtkpod :/
Jul 24 19:05:39  araujo: depends on what you want
Jul 24 19:05:40  I actually like bitbake
Jul 24 19:05:49  so have any of you gotten decent mp4 playback on the gta02 then?
Jul 24 19:06:10  better question: has anyone *tried* mp4 playback on the FR yet?
Jul 24 19:06:15  yes
Jul 24 19:06:20  someone in here yesterday told me all about it
Jul 24 19:06:36  but I thought you guys had done so and were subsequently dicussing efficencies and such
Jul 24 19:06:37 * kd8ikt smells ipod crap
Jul 24 19:06:40  :\
Jul 24 19:06:40  GUess I was mistaken :p
Jul 24 19:06:46  more like lpod
Jul 24 19:06:51  or lpuck
Jul 24 19:06:53  :D
Jul 24 19:07:04  Foss1, mmm... don't care too much about making calls ... mainly development
Jul 24 19:07:21  and games!
Jul 24 19:07:32  Net FTW!
Jul 24 19:07:32 * DaveLab pesters Speedevil
Jul 24 19:07:36  HELL YEAH!
Jul 24 19:07:42 * DaveLab high-fives nuclear eclipse
Jul 24 19:07:54 * nuclear_eclipse low-fives DaveLab on the rebound
Jul 24 19:08:10  wow, I feel horrible for doing that now... :(
Jul 24 19:08:30  so.... anyways
Jul 24 19:08:58  araujo: well, then anything is stable enough i guess
Jul 24 19:09:07  I tried ASU, and immediatly reflashed to Gtk because Net wouldn't work :P
Jul 24 19:09:21  araujo: then again, there are 4 distros and stuff is in motion
Jul 24 19:10:32  is the gta02 wifi driver in the kernel directly or from a module?
Jul 24 19:11:22  Foss1, cool
Jul 24 19:11:37  4 distros? ..mm.. didn't know there were that much atm
Jul 24 19:11:42  joejarvis: I believe it's a module
Jul 24 19:11:51  but I could be wrong
Jul 24 19:12:00  goddamn blackberry
Jul 24 19:12:16  goddamn crackberry
Jul 24 19:12:16  nuclear eclipse, good reason :P
Jul 24 19:12:21  (re: flashing)
Jul 24 19:12:34  nuclear_eclipse: do you know which one?
Jul 24 19:12:37  dude, so apparently ALL of its devtools are for windows(R)
Jul 24 19:12:46  joejarvis: it can be either, up to you
Jul 24 19:13:02  joejarvis: something like ar6k iirc?
Jul 24 19:13:11  Has anyone here done a blackberry app before? :P
Jul 24 19:13:22  joejarvis: unless you mean in the defconfig
Jul 24 19:13:38  DaveLab: yeah, I was considering a BB instead of the Neo, but the Windows-centric tools were a non-starter
Jul 24 19:13:51  I wish I knew that beforehand -_-
Jul 24 19:13:55  well I have to do one for work
Jul 24 19:14:16  what does mmc 1:1 mean?
Jul 24 19:14:28  What's worse is that even their window-specific IDEs seem to have no simple widget GUI builder for RAD purposes
Jul 24 19:14:35  ok, all you gentoo freaks.  I did the OpenOffice.org 1.1 port for ARM a few years ago.  It didn't cross compile then (and may still not).   I compiled it natively on an ARM desktop, which is not a heck of a lot faster than the freerunner.  took 3 days.
Jul 24 19:14:43  but it was 1 GB of source.
Jul 24 19:14:44  Compared to say, the mac-specific iPhone IDE (SDK)
Jul 24 19:14:51  nuclear_eclipse: thanks. ifconfig claims there's no eth0 device; thinking I need to force that module to load. any ideas which pkg provide it?
Jul 24 19:14:56  which has an easy to use drag-and-drop UI creator
Jul 24 19:15:02  joejarvis: let me look
Jul 24 19:15:19  so I've been desperately looking for something like that for the blackberry
Jul 24 19:15:20  -_-
Jul 24 19:17:18  There are numbers on my SIM card that are not in my contacts application, any idea on how I can resync that?
Jul 24 19:17:36  It should be doable
Jul 24 19:17:46  no idea if the software is there yet, for whatever image you are running :)
Jul 24 19:18:07  joejarvis: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Add_wifi_with_WPA_on_Ubuntu might help you
Jul 24 19:18:19  nuclear eclipse, any chance you know anything more than the blatant repulsion factor which surrounded your choice to go for the neo over the blackberry? :p
Jul 24 19:18:22  :)
Jul 24 19:18:24  crap
Jul 24 19:18:35  On another subject, anyone here familiar with teh gimp?
Jul 24 19:18:40  DaveLab: not really, I don't even own a PC with Windows on it :P
Jul 24 19:18:45  ACTION 
Jul 24 19:18:57  Yashy: i can reproduce the problem; the contact application shows only part of the numbers on the sim card; they change randomly after each reboot
Jul 24 19:19:25  teh-not-photoshop-thank-goodness
Jul 24 19:20:40  joejarvis: I can't find it right now, and I don't have a SSH connection to check for real, sorry =\
Jul 24 19:20:47  DaveLab: maybe, I know the basics
Jul 24 19:21:04  ah
Jul 24 19:21:15  well, this IS basic -- how do I add a simple shape? :P
Jul 24 19:21:20  lol
Jul 24 19:21:23  I want to add a circle.
Jul 24 19:21:29  10 print SQUARE
Jul 24 19:21:32  mark, then fill
Jul 24 19:21:36  uggh
Jul 24 19:21:38  maybe you should be using inkscape :o
Jul 24 19:21:39  DaveLab: select a select, then fill it
Jul 24 19:21:48  that is tricky with gimp
Jul 24 19:21:52  yeah, fucking assbackwards software
Jul 24 19:21:54  s/a select/circle/
Jul 24 19:21:55  nuclear_eclipse meant: DaveLab: select circle, then fill it
Jul 24 19:21:58  it's weird at first
Jul 24 19:22:08  but it's the same in photoshop
Jul 24 19:22:12  no
Jul 24 19:22:14  inkscape -> save to PNG
Jul 24 19:22:27  Photoshop  actually has vector objects
Jul 24 19:22:27  I never use teh gimp
Jul 24 19:22:34  Gimp does not
Jul 24 19:22:39  yeah it does
Jul 24 19:22:43  nuclear :)
Jul 24 19:22:47  well, been a while since i used photoshop
Jul 24 19:22:50  or at least not lie Photoshop does :P
Jul 24 19:22:56  s/lie/like/
Jul 24 19:22:56  nuclear_eclipse meant: or at least not like Photoshop does :P
Jul 24 19:22:57  heh
Jul 24 19:22:59  DaveLab: i don't have an English gimp version though so I can only translate from mine
Jul 24 19:23:04  hah
Jul 24 19:23:06  gee great
Jul 24 19:23:11  gimp ricer
Jul 24 19:23:14 * nuclear_eclipse loads gimp
Jul 24 19:23:15  and what language would that be?
Jul 24 19:23:17  :D
Jul 24 19:23:21  german
Jul 24 19:23:28  ze ghimp!
Jul 24 19:24:15  Yashy: thanks. i've read the wlan wiki pgs and had wifi running. but after one of the opkg upgrades, it stopped working. now ifconfig doesn't even see eth0 as a device. trying to figure out what i have to do with the kernel/udev/hal to make sure it's recognized.
Jul 24 19:24:36  nuclear_eclipse: ok, thanks. maybe i'll poke around on svn.
Jul 24 19:24:49  joejarvis: have you tried rebooting since the kernel update?
Jul 24 19:24:52  Die Deutschen -_-;
Jul 24 19:24:57  nuclear_eclipse: yes
Jul 24 19:25:07  you use the ellipsis selection utility to "draw" the circle then you go to selection -> border
Jul 24 19:25:12  i am having trouble building the openmoko kernel with the cross compiler and instructions from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain...getting this error "make: ../../cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found"  
Jul 24 19:25:34  has anyone else had similar issues?
Jul 24 19:26:24  did ya set the env
Jul 24 19:26:31  but for simle drawing you should better take inkscape
Jul 24 19:26:33  i did =(
Jul 24 19:27:08  I still haven't figured it out :D
Jul 24 19:27:18  mak163: make sure you extracted everything to /usr/local/openmoko, and nowhere else
Jul 24 19:27:41  i did for the toolchain, but the source can be anywhere right?
Jul 24 19:28:01  malik1972: yes
Jul 24 19:28:05  oops
Jul 24 19:28:09  mak163: yes :P
Jul 24 19:28:10  lol
Jul 24 19:28:14  neat gesd works
Jul 24 19:28:25  ellipsis tool?
Jul 24 19:28:38  DaveLab: Select Ellipse Tool
Jul 24 19:28:46  if I make an ellipsical selection it won't let me manipulate it
Jul 24 19:28:54  nuclear_eclipse yes to what?;-)
Jul 24 19:28:58  furthermore, I want a perfect circle, not an ellipse.
Jul 24 19:29:07  check out the options
Jul 24 19:29:11  it just acts like it can't find the arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc compiler
Jul 24 19:29:11  ctrl or shift or such
Jul 24 19:29:11  malik1972: just 'yes' :P
Jul 24 19:29:15 * DaveLab grumbles
Jul 24 19:29:17  hehe
Jul 24 19:29:26  DaveLab: hold shift while making the selection
Jul 24 19:29:48  opkg: (null): Bad address o_o
Jul 24 19:29:52  mak163: sounds like your path isn't getting set right
Jul 24 19:30:04  OH, now how do I move it?
Jul 24 19:30:19  good question :P
Jul 24 19:30:24 * nuclear_eclipse hates Gimp
Jul 24 19:30:36  yeah, since it's not considered an actual object (yet)
Jul 24 19:30:37  you either don't and put it in the right place
Jul 24 19:30:37  ...im not sure how to fix it, i just used the set_env script that came with the toolchain
Jul 24 19:30:38  ~_~
Jul 24 19:30:39  STOP DOING THAT!
Jul 24 19:30:44  or move the layer
Jul 24 19:30:48  Fossi, that's a terrible answer!
Jul 24 19:30:52  DaveLab: starting english version of gimp
Jul 24 19:31:23  DaveLab: join #davelab-gimp-help
Jul 24 19:31:29  :D
Jul 24 19:31:33  mak163: did you make sure you used the `. /usr...` form?  the dot is crucial
Jul 24 19:31:34  Really?
Jul 24 19:31:35  is there a build-essential for the openmoko?
Jul 24 19:32:02  Fossi: no, but I made my own that I'm planning to put out
Jul 24 19:32:03  im pretty sure...let me try once more
Jul 24 19:32:17  nuclear_eclipse: *please*
Jul 24 19:32:23  this is getting on my nerves
Jul 24 19:32:26  hehe
Jul 24 19:32:28  s
Jul 24 19:32:44  ./configure, 'error', google, install, repeat
Jul 24 19:32:44  same here, I finally got Git compiled after about 40 packages installed :P
Jul 24 19:33:01  gentoo,
Jul 24 19:33:13  debian,
Jul 24 19:33:32  Debian = prericed
Jul 24 19:33:43  anyone rice their phone out yet?
Jul 24 19:33:59  DaveLab: I put an InvisibleShield on it :P
Jul 24 19:34:13  hmm. might need zlib
Jul 24 19:34:16  hahaha, you got one? really?
Jul 24 19:34:26  Fossi: libz-dev
Jul 24 19:34:51  nuclear_eclipse: yeah, i'm waiting for configure to see what else comes up
Jul 24 19:35:00  DaveLab: I bought a full body one, but I've only put on the screen portion because I really like the Neo's grippy skin
Jul 24 19:35:17  yes...it executes the script, but still will not build the source
Jul 24 19:35:21  need spoilers
Jul 24 19:35:33  and I didn't realize just how glossy the IS material was when I bought it
Jul 24 19:35:58  nuclear, sounds kinky :o
Jul 24 19:36:05  mak163: do `echo $PATH` and make sure /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin is in that output
Jul 24 19:36:07  hrm
Jul 24 19:36:11  so what is it made of?
Jul 24 19:36:20  is it very protective? is it essentially a phone condom? :)
Jul 24 19:36:27  DaveLab: unfortunately not
Jul 24 19:36:33  aww
Jul 24 19:36:39  so forget water-resistance then :P
Jul 24 19:36:45  hell, the freerunner already ships with a condom
Jul 24 19:36:45  I had assumed it would be, but it's more like a clear scratche resistant sticker
Jul 24 19:36:47  it is indeed the first entry in the output
Jul 24 19:37:06  mak163: check file permissions then, otherwise I have no clue
Jul 24 19:37:29  file permissions on the sources and the toolchain?
Jul 24 19:37:42  mak163: the toolchain in particular
Jul 24 19:38:24  heh, the Gentoo page on Wikipedia stangely lacks a critisisms section, just listing a disadvantage of slow compile itme
Jul 24 19:38:29  they are all owned by root and in the same group...
Jul 24 19:38:41  nuclear, so is it exactly like the screen protector slips that shipped with the devices then?>
Jul 24 19:38:43  should i change that to be user accessible?
Jul 24 19:38:44  mak163: are you trying to compile as root?
Jul 24 19:38:46  or very similar anyway?
Jul 24 19:38:51  i was
Jul 24 19:39:07  DaveLab: not quite, much better than the default protector
Jul 24 19:39:18  but still glossy and stickyish
Jul 24 19:39:48  can someone post a correct menu entry for booting from the first or second partition of a sd card with the new uboot?
Jul 24 19:40:01  oh okay good
Jul 24 19:40:13  because that shit bubbled up and crumpled/melted off half of mine, already
Jul 24 19:40:27  lol
Jul 24 19:40:30  I'd still be interested to know how theirs compares with speedevil's :p
Jul 24 19:40:39  or if it's essentially the same thing (cheap knockoff)
Jul 24 19:41:11  DaveLab: I'm actually very impressed/happy with the screen protector from IS, I'm just unsure about whether I like the screen protector look/feel for the entire body of the Neo....
Jul 24 19:41:32  nuclear_eclipse: put a review on the wiki, ktb
Jul 24 19:41:35  the body of the Neo is excellent as it is
Jul 24 19:41:39  but it works fine with the stylus?
Jul 24 19:42:02  because the shitty protector pieces that shipped with it very much impeded the stylus read
Jul 24 19:42:06  :|
Jul 24 19:42:11  even when it was flush against the screen
Jul 24 19:42:15  DaveLab: it makes drag/drop a bit more difficult than the bare screen, but I got used to it pretty quick
Jul 24 19:42:24  ah okay
Jul 24 19:42:25  is the guy who does the scaredy cat distro here
Jul 24 19:42:32  no
Jul 24 19:42:32  I also hope that the protector ITSELF doesn't get scratched
Jul 24 19:42:37  heh
Jul 24 19:42:43  DaveLab: it supposedly wont/shouldnt
Jul 24 19:42:47  because one thing I noticed is that as nice as the pen/stylus is, the stylus part actually does scratch it
Jul 24 19:42:50  -_-
Jul 24 19:43:09  DaveLab: I use the stylus from my old iPaq :P
Jul 24 19:43:11  it's lame because of the locking mechanism (software), you see many central vertical lines if you glance at the screen to the side :P
Jul 24 19:43:12  KrisAbsinthe_-: That would be ScaredyCat, whose name has not tab-completed for some time ;-)
Jul 24 19:43:18  that made me go :x
Jul 24 19:43:20  ~last ScaredyCat
Jul 24 19:43:24  I use a palm one too
Jul 24 19:43:31  thouhg I personally like it D
Jul 24 19:43:32  :D
Jul 24 19:43:36  man, so bored
Jul 24 19:43:56  man, so whored
Jul 24 19:44:06  and it's still early :|
Jul 24 19:44:15  whored and beered.
Jul 24 19:44:16 * DaveLab throws a blackberry at nuclear_eclipse
Jul 24 19:44:27 * nuclear_eclipse runs away
Jul 24 19:44:30 * SpeedEvil has been in the garden today.
Jul 24 19:44:44 * SpeedEvil throws a blackcurrent and a redcurrent at DaveLab.
Jul 24 19:44:49  After over a year of having this phone i finially tried the distro, its great
Jul 24 19:45:07  kristian-m: which one?
Jul 24 19:45:12  oh
Jul 24 19:45:40  apt ping ScaredyCat
Jul 24 19:45:41  pong ScaredyCat
Jul 24 19:45:57  I was about to say... apt-ping?
Jul 24 19:45:58  :P
Jul 24 19:46:12  apt: apt-get install apt-ping
Jul 24 19:46:25  ~aw
Jul 24 19:46:26  would that be a request to download a ping?
Jul 24 19:46:52  ~useless
Jul 24 19:46:54 * apt starts crying and hides from chox in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Jul 24 19:47:28  lol
Jul 24 19:47:46 * Chox staps ne's use of lol.
Jul 24 19:47:50  er, stabs
Jul 24 19:48:15  lol
Jul 24 19:48:18  lo
Jul 24 19:48:21  lol
Jul 24 19:48:22  l0ll3r1z3
Jul 24 19:48:22  lol
Jul 24 19:48:26  it's been used for ~15 years.  you can stop now.
Jul 24 19:48:28 * DaveLab stabbity-stabs nuclear_eclipse
Jul 24 19:48:31  lollerize?
Jul 24 19:48:51  Chox: is lawl any better?
Jul 24 19:49:01  only marginally.
Jul 24 19:49:18  what about rofl? lmao? roflmao?
Jul 24 19:49:28  omgwtfbbq?
Jul 24 19:49:32  aren't 850's soldout already ?
Jul 24 19:49:38  how about reserving those for when it's really funny
Jul 24 19:49:45  CVirus: some in store yesterday
Jul 24 19:49:48  Chox: heresy
Jul 24 19:49:55  Chox: i think the store is empty now
Jul 24 19:49:57 * Chox is a heretic.
Jul 24 19:50:07 * Chox first against the wall
Jul 24 19:50:16 * nuclear_eclipse throws stones at Chox 
Jul 24 19:50:41  ~seen ScaredyCat
Jul 24 19:50:49  DaveLab: get the firewood and a torch, let's burn this bastard!
Jul 24 19:50:50  scaredycat  was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 14d 10h 12m 5s ago, saying: 'igo stowaway polz'.
Jul 24 19:51:02  KrisAbsinthe_-: 2 weeks
Jul 24 19:51:04  XD
Jul 24 19:51:08  great quote
Jul 24 19:51:18   '/msg apt help' is your friend
Jul 24 19:51:20  I see that.he used to be here all the time
Jul 24 19:51:25  dammit, I'm getting Gentoo spam now:   Subject: YOU HAVE EMERGED WINNER OF 750,000 EUROS
Jul 24 19:51:34  Chox: awesome
Jul 24 19:51:44  nuclear_eclipse :D
Jul 24 19:51:52  i guess i should emerge that as well
Jul 24 19:52:03  `apt-get moo`
Jul 24 19:52:05  Where did ScaredyCat go ?
Jul 24 19:52:08  huhu
Jul 24 19:52:20  ip moo
Jul 24 19:52:51  @seen daryn
Jul 24 19:56:52  http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?d__omfr__OpenMoko_Freerunner739.htm says "First batch of units 07/25/2008 (25.July) is sold out. next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August)." so there has been only one batch yet?
Jul 24 19:57:20  there were some yesterday, but those are all gone
Jul 24 19:57:25  dunno if that was a batch or not
Jul 24 19:57:41  oh, that's pulster, not the store
Jul 24 19:57:43  Chox: in the OM store?
Jul 24 19:57:46  ah
Jul 24 19:58:11  but there has yet been only *one* batch? that's the impression i get from that page.
Jul 24 19:58:30  earlier i thought that this ongoing was the *second* batch.
Jul 24 19:58:34  so you want us to speculate on alternate meanings ;-)
Jul 24 19:58:50  chox it like it's hot
Jul 24 19:58:51  no, i want to speculate about facts :)
Jul 24 19:58:58  ;D
Jul 24 19:59:03  Sorry, this is not Slashdot.
Jul 24 19:59:04  Tuju: facts are boring, lets go shopping!
Jul 24 19:59:04  best quote ever
Jul 24 19:59:33  nuclear_eclipse: i got ordered my tenpack already, did you?
Jul 24 19:59:48  I already have my single Freerunner :P
Jul 24 20:00:09  yes, two weeks ago :p
Jul 24 20:00:18  so you weren't coming to shop with me even you said so.... :-7
Jul 24 20:00:25  irony being that the InvisibleShield for the FR shipped first, and arrived five days after the Neo
Jul 24 20:00:36  Tuju: I like disappointing people
Jul 24 20:00:56  nuclear_eclipse: you're evil,...you must be working for microsoft.
Jul 24 20:01:26  no, I'm just stuck working on some crappy perl tools that wrap around some crappy version control from the 70's...
Jul 24 20:01:32  argh. damn
Jul 24 20:01:39  checking size of wchar_t... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (wchar_t)
Jul 24 20:01:44  nuclear_eclipse: that sounds terrible.
Jul 24 20:02:00  all to integrate it with a PHP webtool
Jul 24 20:02:04  For some reason, I can't seem to build glibc package.. configure fails complaining that it cannot find "stdio.h"..  Has anyone seen a problem like this before?
Jul 24 20:02:31  zandini_: opkg install glibc-dev libc6-dev
Jul 24 20:02:46  ewww
Jul 24 20:02:56  heh, oh dear
Jul 24 20:03:28  opkg? Or dpkg?
Jul 24 20:03:31  can someone help with uboot?
Jul 24 20:03:47  malik1972: I did, several times.  I already told you how to do it :p
Jul 24 20:03:50  zandini_: depends, are you building on your neo or your debian PC?
Jul 24 20:04:01  chox: it didnt worked for me
Jul 24 20:04:08  *facepalm*
Jul 24 20:04:12  what "didn't work"?
Jul 24 20:04:20 * nuclear_eclipse laughs out loud
Jul 24 20:04:21  chox: 1st part fat, 2nd ext3
Jul 24 20:04:23  wurp2|awayish, I am building for neo, on my ubuntu..
Jul 24 20:04:30  yes, and what "didn't work"?
Jul 24 20:04:33  zandini_: dpkg
Jul 24 20:04:37  Chox: was that acceptable?
Jul 24 20:04:42  zandini_: or apt-get
Jul 24 20:04:48  chox: "unable to use mmc 1:1 for fatload" ... "cant get kernel image"
Jul 24 20:04:51  Okay. :-) Thanks!
Jul 24 20:04:53  nuclear_eclipse: better.  It means you make an effort.
Jul 24 20:05:10  I don't like this Effort concept... :(
Jul 24 20:05:12  chox: i tried this setenv menu_1 Boot from P1: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ro\; mmcinit\; ext3load mmc 2 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000
Jul 24 20:05:13  malik1972: and it's not a FAT partition is, it?  as I said and you agreed, you need ext2load
Jul 24 20:05:26  I didn't know that you can actually compile from neo itself.
Jul 24 20:05:48  zandini_: requires installing a bunch of packages, but it's a full Linux system, so yes you can
Jul 24 20:05:51  zandini_: You can
Jul 24 20:06:00  chox: okay there is no ext3load
Jul 24 20:06:01  yeah why couldn't you?
Jul 24 20:06:02  I compiled Git and ZShell directly on my Neo
Jul 24 20:06:03  That's pretty neat.
Jul 24 20:06:14  malik1972: also said that ;-)
Jul 24 20:06:17  chox: but what does mmc 1 mean
Jul 24 20:06:31  mmc parition 1.
Jul 24 20:06:32  zandini_: s/neat/slow/
Jul 24 20:06:44  XD
Jul 24 20:07:10  chox: i did several symbolic linksas i dont know where he expects the kernel on / or /boot?
Jul 24 20:07:39   /uImage.bin - that's the sd_image_name var
Jul 24 20:08:06  chox: one more try,one moment
Jul 24 20:08:29 * Chox still threatening to improve wiki about this
Jul 24 20:08:32  bumbl: Let me know if you hear of a fix for the fact only some random sequence of contacts getting pulled off the SIM card?
Jul 24 20:09:52  I feel guilty all of a suddenn... =\
Jul 24 20:10:04  until proven innocent
Jul 24 20:10:11  Chox: sad but true
Jul 24 20:11:11  chox: cant you post a correct line for me?
Jul 24 20:12:07  no, I don't lean that way.
Jul 24 20:12:13  lol
Jul 24 20:12:22  and in any case, I don't have it to have, but what I told you is correct.
Jul 24 20:12:25  to hand
Jul 24 20:12:32  i put in my sim for the first time i got an SMS it was totally garbled i am currently using ASU anyone tried something similar?
Jul 24 20:13:28  hey.. any Xfbdev gurus around? I've got a problem with tslib http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4448
Jul 24 20:14:04  aww
Jul 24 20:18:52  bumbl?
Jul 24 20:19:07  i cant get mine to update properly
Jul 24 20:19:16  i can ssh in
Jul 24 20:19:31  linuxxr: opkg update you mean?
Jul 24 20:19:36   yes
Jul 24 20:19:46  pesky gimps
Jul 24 20:19:46  how does it "doesn't work"?
Jul 24 20:19:53  Chocky :D
Jul 24 20:19:57  muwahaha
Jul 24 20:20:10  make sure you've set /etc/resolv.conf to the appropriate DNS server, and that you've set up your desktop to properly route packets via iptables
Jul 24 20:20:58  how about we get some details before guessing? ;o
Jul 24 20:22:02  How about it!
Jul 24 20:22:03  how about we get some hos and some booze and pimp it up
Jul 24 20:22:03  chox: he says unknow command name} 
Jul 24 20:22:05  chox: i cant see the syntax error in "menu_1=Boot from P1: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000"
Jul 24 20:22:21  my freerunner can connect out OK, but is having a problem getting time via ntp. any suggestions? ntpclient: recvfrom: No route to host
Jul 24 20:23:40  it says its downloading stuff but it fails to upgrade anything
Jul 24 20:24:06  can i post
Jul 24 20:24:23  Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0
Jul 24 20:24:37  says that for all
Jul 24 20:24:39  linuxxr: that's expected right now
Jul 24 20:24:42  well, that should be there
Jul 24 20:24:51  oo
Jul 24 20:24:56  linuxxr: Make sure your forwarding is turned on :)
Jul 24 20:24:59  nuclear_eclipse: why's that?
Jul 24 20:25:12  (i forgot to turn it on here after setting up the routes, and it gave me that error ;) )
Jul 24 20:25:22  then i do opkg upgrade
Jul 24 20:25:37  oh wait, I saw Packages.gpg, stupid me :P
Jul 24 20:25:57  then says nothing tobe done
Jul 24 20:26:15  is that correct?
Jul 24 20:26:17  opkg downgrade :]
Jul 24 20:26:33  man, tango needs more monkeys
Jul 24 20:27:02  forwarding from the desktop?
Jul 24 20:31:19  SPeedevil, still here?
Jul 24 20:31:24  or even better, joerg
Jul 24 20:31:49  i'll answer my own question for the logs; my usb host machine was not allowing udp/123, an iptables correction fixed it.
Jul 24 20:32:02  Joerg, I've got a battery/freerunner which will only charge to 58% capacity then begin discharging again, and it always does this (though I haven't tried swapping phones-batteries)
Jul 24 20:32:06  :|
Jul 24 20:33:10  anyone know there in the illume theme you have to go to find the button for manually enabeling the keyboard?
Jul 24 20:33:15  where*
Jul 24 20:34:14  DaveLab - I had the same issue with on of my batteries.  I ended up completely discharging and charging it with an external charger.  Seems to work fine now. 
Jul 24 20:34:28  s/on/one
Jul 24 20:35:08  AH
Jul 24 20:35:10  okay
Jul 24 20:35:20  I suspected that might be the problem, but wasn't sure if I should bother yet :)
Jul 24 20:35:55  Does anyone else charge their freerunner at 1A? >:)
Jul 24 20:36:43  DaveLab: only occasionally
Jul 24 20:36:48  Oh, and for anyone who wants a good laugh. Isn't PHP great? http://amsn.sourceforge.net/devwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Webcam+In+aMSN
Jul 24 20:37:04  I generally find a PC's USB cord more convenient
Jul 24 20:37:05  lol. hax. phpbbq.
Jul 24 20:37:17  nuclear_eclipse: yeah but takes forever :P
Jul 24 20:37:23  depends if you're in a rush or not
Jul 24 20:37:35  I'm usually not :P
Jul 24 20:37:48  slothin' it, eh?
Jul 24 20:37:48  och. tangogps just made it into Debian
Jul 24 20:37:48  now I can run tangogps on my FR!
Jul 24 20:37:48  oh, wait.
Jul 24 20:37:50  :p
Jul 24 20:37:51  hooray for var_dump()!
Jul 24 20:37:56  sure you can
Jul 24 20:37:58  is modifying the uboot the only way to get booting from SD working?  wiki is unclear to me
Jul 24 20:38:01  it's been in deb for a while now
Jul 24 20:38:08  well, there's been a deb rls anyyway
Jul 24 20:38:47  just appeared in my package list todya
Jul 24 20:38:49  er, today
Jul 24 20:38:54  :P
Jul 24 20:40:44 * DaveLab connects a 5-pin usb-mini connector to joerg
Jul 24 20:42:28  Chocky_: use the latest from their website
Jul 24 20:42:52  http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download
Jul 24 20:42:53  Has anyone started a page for where one can find 5-pin usb-mini keyboards?
Jul 24 20:43:14  waste of money 
Jul 24 20:43:33  Yashy: probably easier to grab the $2 adapter from Monoprice.com
Jul 24 20:43:38  that's what I did
Jul 24 20:43:47  ssh 
Jul 24 20:43:57  kd8ikt: no need, just sayin'
Jul 24 20:45:06  nuclear_eclipse: makes sense, thanks.
Jul 24 20:45:58  :]
Jul 24 20:46:01  :x
Jul 24 20:46:08 * DaveLab attempts to cross-compile drivers for arm
Jul 24 20:47:18  nuclear_eclipse, USB A Female to Mini 5 pin (B5) Male Adapter, that the one?
Jul 24 20:48:12  crap
Jul 24 20:48:57  wut.
Jul 24 20:49:04  trix: yes
Jul 24 20:49:08  PID 4814
Jul 24 20:49:19  mnsg nickserv identify Chocky ch0xmoose
Jul 24 20:49:22  arse.
Jul 24 20:49:26  ha!
Jul 24 20:49:42  Chocks: might wanna change that password now... :P
Jul 24 20:49:44  nuclear_eclipse, thanks. cheap and handy
Jul 24 20:49:48  yw
Jul 24 20:49:59  quick ;)
Jul 24 20:50:07  oh and off topic, what kind of devices use 4-pin usb?
Jul 24 20:50:17  trix: I have no clue :P
Jul 24 20:50:28  I wondered the exact same thing
Jul 24 20:50:37  yeah me neither. just wondering for that price whether i should get the 4-pin to put in the toolbox. hah
Jul 24 20:50:53  hahahahaha
Jul 24 20:50:54  *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00084980 ***
Jul 24 20:50:55  Aborted
Jul 24 20:50:58  sweet.
Jul 24 20:51:02  nice
Jul 24 20:51:08  lame. :\
Jul 24 20:51:56  also holy roflcopters, ecraven!
Jul 24 20:52:55  Where do I get the kernel headers then? :|
Jul 24 20:53:30  this is a non-standard usb port?
Jul 24 20:54:17  for host mode, certainly
Jul 24 20:54:45  :[
Jul 24 20:55:03  hrm...can i use the iriver cable?  the one i use for zaurus?
Jul 24 20:55:52  try it!
Jul 24 20:56:04  holy asscrackers this dev package has a meeeeeeeeeeeeelleon dependencies.
Jul 24 20:56:23  sigh.
Jul 24 20:56:34  DaveLab: i would...haven't found it yet ;)
Jul 24 20:56:45  Ah :D
Jul 24 20:57:12  so currently gtk+-dev and kernel-dev are broken?
Jul 24 20:57:29  oops sorry, gtk+-fastscaling-dev
Jul 24 20:57:32  ~_~
Jul 24 20:57:33  STOP DOING THAT!
Jul 24 20:57:39 * DaveLab eats apt
Jul 24 20:57:43  The 5-pin Mini-B USB interface is the most common type found on today’s popular portable devices. Essentially most of the digital cameras, cellular phones, MP3 players, and PDA’s sold since 2003 use this interface. The inclusion of an additional pin was established to support a new USB feature called USB-on-the-go. This allows the device itself to initiate the USB link rather than the computer, making installation a snap.
Jul 24 20:57:54  ok, so no reason to buy a 4-pin usb adapter. 
Jul 24 20:58:07  wikipediatastic
Jul 24 20:58:14  :[
Jul 24 20:58:23  someone send me the kernel headers, please.
Jul 24 20:58:26  :?
Jul 24 20:59:31  lint show up?
Jul 24 21:00:37  yeah he was hear all this morning
Jul 24 21:00:42  until he went to bed around 7AM :P
Jul 24 21:00:55  Lint Standard Time
Jul 24 21:01:12  has anyone compiled a book reader yet?
Jul 24 21:01:17  s/Time/Deviation = LSD
Jul 24 21:01:20  well ill see him around 1 or 2 again
Jul 24 21:01:20  yep
Jul 24 21:01:23  I believe so
Jul 24 21:01:28  railer, sounds good
Jul 24 21:01:29  know the name?
Jul 24 21:01:31  though that'd be now
Jul 24 21:01:38  being ill doesn't sound good.
Jul 24 21:01:40  I know there's a comicbook reader
Jul 24 21:01:45  I saw a prototyped ebook reader
Jul 24 21:01:51  in one of the repos
Jul 24 21:01:59  if that's what you're talking about
Jul 24 21:02:17  yes...was ebook in the description or name?
Jul 24 21:02:26  I think so, I'm looking...
Jul 24 21:02:40  monoprice is a nice webshop. just ordered that adapter. way cheaper/easier than hunting one down at ratshack
Jul 24 21:02:54  ratshack won't have one
Jul 24 21:02:57  there are some on Amazon too
Jul 24 21:03:02  trix: it's where I go for *all* my cables and such
Jul 24 21:03:10  Well there is at least a libebook
Jul 24 21:03:12  nice
Jul 24 21:03:38  chox, sadly, that'd be the first place i'd look locally, not knowing any better :)
Jul 24 21:03:43  Haven't found an application which uses them yet :D
Jul 24 21:03:56  I'd only go there as a last resort
Jul 24 21:04:41  Okay, undrwater, sorry apparently I must have been wrong
Jul 24 21:04:43  there is not one yet
Jul 24 21:05:10  DaveLab: thanks for looking...
Jul 24 21:05:19  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r78536a8dac0e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Get tick's and jeremy's fixes (ringtone latency, keyboard fixes)
Jul 24 21:05:20  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc6072bc8e43 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] assassin update, mem leak fixes
Jul 24 21:05:21  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * reaedc2a6f68b 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the important xprop, xev and xwinfo utilities
Jul 24 21:07:25  yeah :|
Jul 24 21:07:31  would certainly be nice though
Jul 24 21:07:40  though I believe there'd be many issues with it though :)
Jul 24 21:09:34  an ebook reader?
Jul 24 21:09:51  DaveLab:  You mean DRM wise?
Jul 24 21:12:00  yeah, well there's that and scaling issues
Jul 24 21:12:13  (in the more physical sense) :p
Jul 24 21:12:23  though yeah, if done properly it could be sweet
Jul 24 21:12:36  nite - yeah all the drm, various compat issues with different formats
Jul 24 21:12:47  and subsequently how they'd all similarly scale on the device
Jul 24 21:12:48  :|
Jul 24 21:13:12  I've had terrible times on the pc, dealing with just that :P
Jul 24 21:13:48  DRM blows
Jul 24 21:13:53  i've seen a 'textbook' reader somewhere (projects?) that showed only a scrolling line of text
Jul 24 21:13:59 * Chox beats NetFlix with a stick
Jul 24 21:14:05  prolly only .txt though
Jul 24 21:14:09  do most people use the MokoMakefile to setup your build environment?
Jul 24 21:14:34  mak163: I did
Jul 24 21:14:35  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r16d00fb95954 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add the important xprop, xev and xwinfo utilities
Jul 24 21:14:35  didn't do muc hfor me, i'm compiling on the phone now ;)
Jul 24 21:14:41  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8c9b4f8e6490 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] assassin update, mem leak fixes
Jul 24 21:14:46  openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbdf4696f2d2f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia. Get tick's and jeremy's fixes (ringtone latency, keyboard fixes)
Jul 24 21:14:47  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6368df6acf28 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update EFL and illume (to match) where illume has all changes but no internal
Jul 24 21:14:47  mini ricer.
Jul 24 21:14:47  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb9a5be68a686 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume version to one without internal kbd
Jul 24 21:14:48  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r572cf423bc7d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update illume to latest working with qtopia keyboard...
Jul 24 21:14:52  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc80d4729369c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: upate illume rev
Jul 24 21:14:54  \o/
Jul 24 21:14:54  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r52ace1aea36d 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume
Jul 24 21:14:59  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rda309d65d1f6 10/packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu: add "others" menu submenu
Jul 24 21:15:00  i should get a spoiler
Jul 24 21:15:01  blah
Jul 24 21:15:03  anyone know whats up with SDL
Jul 24 21:15:04  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r69a85106ae87 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: busycover instead of busywin.
Jul 24 21:15:04  ?
Jul 24 21:15:05  spam
Jul 24 21:15:07  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb20af3ad8950 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix flaunch...
Jul 24 21:15:10  openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd70ccfeb4d7f 10/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state.bb alsa-state/asound.conf alsa-state/asoundrc): alsa-state: fix standard alsa dmix configuration, it now works out-of-the-box
Jul 24 21:15:14  openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb5935875bd02 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state: install correct file
Jul 24 21:15:22  torpor: sdl is a graphics library
Jul 24 21:15:32  yeah but what i want to know is why its borked?
Jul 24 21:15:42  ah yes, it "doesn't work"
Jul 24 21:15:43  i try to use it - i get a scrambled screen.
Jul 24 21:15:45  here we go away. whee.
Jul 24 21:15:48  again
Jul 24 21:15:55  i thought it was working
Jul 24 21:16:01  and if kobodeluxe is working, well then .. 
Jul 24 21:16:07  ..
Jul 24 21:16:12  does it use sdl?
Jul 24 21:16:17  mplayer with SDL is messed up, FWIW
Jul 24 21:16:22  damn
Jul 24 21:16:22  clearly it doesn't work sometimes. 
Jul 24 21:16:40  this fragmentation of developer attention from one distro to the other is very frustrating.
Jul 24 21:16:57  did anyone download the moko source from git and use the precompiled toolchain to build the source without using the MokoMakefile????
Jul 24 21:19:06  mak163: with OE/bitbake you mean?
Jul 24 21:19:54  i followed the instructions at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Jul 24 21:20:32  i downloaded the precompiled toolchain and untarred it to the /usr/local/openmoko directory
Jul 24 21:20:45  then downloaded the source with git and tried to compile
Jul 24 21:21:06  didnt use OE
Jul 24 21:21:43  the video for installing the sdcard looks inverted or the 1973 had a reversed    position
Jul 24 21:22:05  linuxxee: it's the other way round on the FR
Jul 24 21:22:16  but i keep getting an error: make: ../../cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found
Jul 24 21:22:39  hrm
Jul 24 21:23:10  lots of popping in audio playback in openmoko-mediaplayer2 on ASU
Jul 24 21:23:24  AntonTakk: try mplayer
Jul 24 21:23:25  ;)
Jul 24 21:23:27  AntonTakk: Lots of popping in audio playback on 2007.2 as well
Jul 24 21:23:32  edistar: Does it work better?
Jul 24 21:24:02  There was 0 popping that I could detect a couple of months ago
Jul 24 21:24:04  wurp2|awayish: really? i heard none in 2007.2 last night
Jul 24 21:24:32  going way back up to where they fixed the problem with pulseaudio spinning on some semaphore or something
Jul 24 21:24:44  AntonTakk: I'm running a ScaredyCat build
Jul 24 21:24:50  AntonTakk: From June 11, I think
Jul 24 21:25:03  AntonTakk: Were you running the 2007.2 that ships with the FR?
Jul 24 21:25:09  ah, i was using a fairly recent vanilla 2007.2
Jul 24 21:25:25  wurp2|awayish: it should, yes
Jul 24 21:25:37  wurp2|awayish: it doesn't use pulseaudio, does alsa directly
Jul 24 21:26:05  pulseaudio was fixed a few days ago?
Jul 24 21:26:09  I heard..
Jul 24 21:26:57  hmm, did you mean that recent 2007.2's also do alsa directly?
Jul 24 21:27:19  edistar: Does ASU not use pulseaudio?
Jul 24 21:27:21  Hello. I have a problem installing python: Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/python-core_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.ipk, error 0. I've done opkg update - what can be wrong?
Jul 24 21:27:21  mjr: no
Jul 24 21:27:25  wurp2|awayish: it does
Jul 24 21:27:39  uzytkownik: networking not set up correctly?
Jul 24 21:27:43  can you ping google?
Jul 24 21:27:44  edistar: So you have to kill pulseaudio to listen to stuff through mplayer
Jul 24 21:27:48  right?
Jul 24 21:27:53  anyway, it was nice to hear from mickey on the list that plain dmix apparently was working pretty well on fso...
Jul 24 21:28:09  wurp2|awayish: no, it just bypasses it
Jul 24 21:28:36  edistar: Oh... when I've tried to run stuff that talked to also directly on the neo, it was silent until I whacked pulseaudio
Jul 24 21:28:55  Of course, that was on 2007.2
Jul 24 21:29:07  edistar: Sorry - after restart I've forgot to turn down the usb0 which messed up
Jul 24 21:29:40  uzytkownik: :)
Jul 24 21:30:52  mjr: dmix truly sounds super:)
Jul 24 21:31:55  i feel like i'm going to lose my job over this device :P
Jul 24 21:33:07  UndrWater: can't stop playing with it at work?
Jul 24 21:33:11  UndrWater: same, especially over Net :P
Jul 24 21:33:39  how can I ssh on the freerunner ? There seem to be a ssh server running and wifi up.
Jul 24 21:33:53  anybody got a clue about atomic operations on the FR cpu?
Jul 24 21:34:01  lolalol: ssh root@ ;)
Jul 24 21:34:04  lolalol: check the wiki article USB_Networking
Jul 24 21:34:24  Fossi: no, there's no nuke on board
Jul 24 21:35:14  edistar: what is the IP ?
Jul 24 21:35:14  nuclear_eclipse: meaning?
Jul 24 21:35:27  lolalol: whatever you or your router told it
Jul 24 21:35:36  lolalol: dunno, if you say wifi is up and running your wifi router should tell you
Jul 24 21:35:38  check ifconfig
Jul 24 21:35:53  BLONDIE $ATOMIC
Jul 24 21:36:09  no password ?
Jul 24 21:36:44  lolalol: no
Jul 24 21:36:58  wow, so aparently, killing pules audio leads to badness
Jul 24 21:37:05  pulse*
Jul 24 21:37:35  AntonTakk: why?
Jul 24 21:37:59  music stoped, and a couple minutes later, asu crashed :)
Jul 24 21:38:45  AntonTakk: nice one ;)
Jul 24 21:39:34  ifconfig says no ip
Jul 24 21:39:56  like it did not request an IP
Jul 24 21:40:33  lolalol: your nick makes me dizzy :|
Jul 24 21:40:39  Do I need to do something specific so that a dhcp request is sent ? I mean, wifi is enabled but dropbear apparently does not try.
Jul 24 21:43:19  lolalol: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Add_wifi_with_WPA_on_Ubuntu is my setup YMMV
Jul 24 21:43:51  past.
Jul 24 21:43:57  Yashy: reading
Jul 24 21:45:08  Yashy: on ubuntu  ;)
Jul 24 21:45:09  far too obvious to edit the real OpenMoko wiki.
Jul 24 21:46:17  Chox: people want to make their own blog popular *rolleyes*
Jul 24 21:46:48  Where is python package udev? I.e. what's the opkg package name of python's udev package (I home this is clear question ;) )
Jul 24 21:46:53  wiki :p
Jul 24 21:47:05  I added most of it to the Openmoko wiki as well, but it links all the bits into one place
Jul 24 21:47:05  I do however, have a not very popular Linux wiki of my own
Jul 24 21:47:05  Chox: ..
Jul 24 21:47:30  Yashy: ok, sorry then :)
Jul 24 21:48:21  Sorry dbus  - not udev
Jul 24 21:48:35  Ok python-dbus
Jul 24 21:48:50  I've searched by udev :D
Jul 24 21:48:57  Also, a blog is usually an individual, where a wiki is usually community contributed too, like hackepedia.org and wiki,openmoko.org.
Jul 24 21:49:03  Yashy: I have a wifi hotspot without encryption, do I need this WPA setting ?
Jul 24 21:49:04  uzytkownik: do you come from poland? ;)
Jul 24 21:49:13  lolalol: remove the WPA lines
Jul 24 21:49:18  uzytkownik: I'm from Poland
Jul 24 21:49:31  Czesc
Jul 24 21:49:38  uzytkownik: okey :)
Jul 24 21:49:39  too few vowels and too many 'k's 
Jul 24 21:49:57  Nostrowia :)
Jul 24 21:50:16  Yashy: zum wohl
Jul 24 21:50:17  Chox: It means 'User' in polish
Jul 24 21:50:21  (not sure how to spell in Polish, but I can say a few words)
Jul 24 21:50:40  Yashy: I guess: Na zdrowie but I'm not sure
Jul 24 21:50:50  so mal die foptos von heute sortieren :) 
Jul 24 21:51:01  nezza-_-: wrong channel
Jul 24 21:51:11  Yashy: meaning if I just do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 it will work as long as a hotspot with no encryption is nearby ?
Jul 24 21:51:38  lolalol: or the battery is empty ;)
Jul 24 21:51:57  lolalol: no. You'll still wanna specify SSID in the hackepedia example.
Jul 24 21:52:35  lolalol: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel will probably interest you.
Jul 24 21:52:47  I see
Jul 24 21:53:02  reading
Jul 24 21:53:36  root@om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan
Jul 24 21:53:43  to see what APs are available
Jul 24 21:59:55  SoCal!
Jul 24 22:00:09  socal!!!
Jul 24 22:00:10  ?
Jul 24 22:00:35  hooray for Southern California
Jul 24 22:00:59  any of you know what all these qtopis-phone-x11-* packages are?
Jul 24 22:01:05  er
Jul 24 22:01:09  qtopia*
Jul 24 22:01:13  ASU stuff
Jul 24 22:01:19  hrm
Jul 24 22:01:31  for the coming update to asu i assume?
Jul 24 22:01:40  you can install the qtopia task from the GTK setup if you want
Jul 24 22:01:41  that's fun
Jul 24 22:02:01  well, i am using asu full time
Jul 24 22:02:12  then you probably have those packages installed
Jul 24 22:02:17  nope
Jul 24 22:02:22  not even a tenth of them
Jul 24 22:02:36  well, there are lots.  but give an example
Jul 24 22:03:03  the text editor, the media player, the calendar, the home screen
Jul 24 22:03:12  not what I meant
Jul 24 22:03:17  text editor?
Jul 24 22:03:19  what package do you not have installed?
Jul 24 22:03:42  all of those were not installed untill a moment ago
Jul 24 22:03:49  and more
Jul 24 22:04:00  there is no packaged called "text editor"  If nothing else, since that contains a space.
Jul 24 22:04:14  oh, you want the actual package names
Jul 24 22:04:29  well, you wanted to know why they weren't installed :p
Jul 24 22:04:42  no, I wanted to know what they were for
Jul 24 22:04:49  same thing.
Jul 24 22:04:54  not really
Jul 24 22:05:00  :)
Jul 24 22:05:04  ah, you've decided the answer already.
Jul 24 22:05:16  anyways, time to go home
Jul 24 22:06:44  anybody knows any magic to make at&t sims work? even the supposedly good 71234(o)/4022 is not very reliable in the FR
Jul 24 22:06:59  budfive: no, I just reboot when mine doesn't register :/
Jul 24 22:09:39  when mine (ATT) registers, it registers as "roaming"...is that typical? or does that mean it thinks it's outside of the plan?
Jul 24 22:16:07  ,k
Jul 24 22:18:31  1does the freerunner have a feedreader?
Jul 24 22:18:50  blippe: yes
Jul 24 22:19:01  blippe: neo1973-germany.de
Jul 24 22:19:10  back
Jul 24 22:20:12  side.
Jul 24 22:20:13  Yashy: I'm logged in using USB
Jul 24 22:20:22  thanks
Jul 24 22:21:30  the application menu doesn't seem to always register clicks, even when i hear the phone play the click wav file
Jul 24 22:23:37  Is there any guide about programming OM? I.e. I know the C/C++/Python/a few other languages as well as some libraries but I search the OM-specific (ipkg creation, specific API etc.)
Jul 24 22:24:25  peepsalot, you can also scroll the menu by draggin the stylus, be sure to just tip, and not drag it
Jul 24 22:24:33  there's nothing significantly different from programming on any other Linux system
Jul 24 22:24:41  people I call with the freerunner can't hear me clear. The sound is faint and noisy. Is this just me ?
Jul 24 22:24:47  uzytkownik: python and dbus are fairly specified
Jul 24 22:24:49  for OM specific stuff, see the OM documentation.
Jul 24 22:25:18  hi
Jul 24 22:25:21  did you have some specific question?
Jul 24 22:25:30  OE, rather ;-)  there's also #oe
Jul 24 22:25:34  does the GPS pigtail on the 1973 have a center conductor and outer insulation or all just onw wire?
Jul 24 22:25:36  uzytkownik: API for the middleware is on freesmartphone.org
Jul 24 22:27:09  Chox: No I wanted to see docs & tutorial first.
Jul 24 22:27:42  I think you want to started on the openembedded site.  I don't know what's there exactly, however.
Jul 24 22:27:52  but I suspect such things exist.
Jul 24 22:29:02  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
Jul 24 22:29:24  lolalol: programming tutorial, not usage
Jul 24 22:29:39  is there an image viewer in the repos
Jul 24 22:29:41  says I should fix sound with alsamixer but there is no "mic2" on the freerunner
Jul 24 22:29:52  oh, different conversation ;-)
Jul 24 22:30:35  lolalol: no worries.
Jul 24 22:32:30  Yashy: any idea about the mic and alsamixer ? There are about 30043483 columns in alsamixer and I have no clue which one is related to the mic :-)
Jul 24 22:33:17  somone must clean up the alsamixer some time..
Jul 24 22:33:30  wiki = mess
Jul 24 22:34:04  there is a gui tool for wifi on 2007.2?
Jul 24 22:34:11  mmaestri: nope
Jul 24 22:34:17  there will be
Jul 24 22:34:36  kd8 is working on some dirty thing ;-)
Jul 24 22:34:41  here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions says it has
Jul 24 22:35:01  anyone here using a freerunner ? 
Jul 24 22:35:08  no, no one at all :o
Jul 24 22:35:17  Or is it just me having problems with the mic ? 
Jul 24 22:35:22  what's a freerunner? :p
Jul 24 22:35:30  ahahah
Jul 24 22:35:38  lolalol: press tab in alsamixer to move on to the capture tab
Jul 24 22:36:01  then look at the column labelled "Capture", that'll be the main volume control for the mic as far as I remember
Jul 24 22:36:26  Elleo: Of course ! 
Jul 24 22:36:50  mic2 was at 0
Jul 24 22:36:55  did not help I guess
Jul 24 22:37:02  i tried installing gpe-gallery image viewer, but it has a bunch of error popups when i try to run it, saying it can't find some png's.  for ex: /usr/share/pixmaps//open.png  
Jul 24 22:37:52  Elleo: how can I test the change I made is effective ? I tried the "record" command but it's not here. Is there something else ?
Jul 24 22:38:36  hi, i am having issues flashing my freerunner... i follow the instructions on the wiki, but, with the exception of adding a device argument, since i have another dfu device on my computer
Jul 24 22:39:00  how should i format that address, firstoff?
Jul 24 22:39:13  aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav 
Jul 24 22:39:13  aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy
Jul 24 22:39:20  ie, what is an example of how to type in vendor:device
Jul 24 22:39:43  lolalol: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Adjust_the_microphone
Jul 24 22:40:53  i tried ./dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5199 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and the same without the 0x's
Jul 24 22:41:03  Yashy: thanks
Jul 24 22:41:14  and got "No DFU capable USB device found
Jul 24 22:41:19  I should have read to the bottom :-) My value was 0 though, not 2.
Jul 24 22:41:48  default is 0, you wanna try 2 or 3
Jul 24 22:44:51  what application should I kill to be able to run aplay something ?
Jul 24 22:45:29  Elleo: ? Yashy ?
Jul 24 22:46:15  aplay?
Jul 24 22:46:45  edistar: aplay is a alsatool command to play a wav file
Jul 24 22:46:54  lolalol: kill pulseaudio
Jul 24 22:48:23  lolalol: pkill aplay
Jul 24 22:48:36  oh I misunderstood
Jul 24 22:48:52  pkill pulseaudio works
Jul 24 22:49:03  now arecord is not recording anything apparently
Jul 24 22:49:15  but maybe I should tell it to use a designated device
Jul 24 22:49:18  instead of the default
Jul 24 22:49:33  lsof | grep dev
Jul 24 22:49:42  replace dev with the audio device to see what is using it 
Jul 24 22:50:24  Yashy: thanks, the pkill pulseaudio did the trick
Jul 24 22:51:22  is there a simple way to test the audio recording quality ?
Jul 24 22:52:07  test it against what?
Jul 24 22:52:51  aplay to hear it
Jul 24 22:52:53  Like a phone number I could call and that would echo my voice
Jul 24 22:53:13  lolalol: you could ring me, and I could do an impression.
Jul 24 22:53:21  lol
Jul 24 22:53:24  :-)
Jul 24 22:53:43  what's the diff beteen 'splinter' and 'diversity-nav' ?
Jul 24 22:53:54  SpeedEvil: is the gps pigtail a single conductor wire or does it have a center and a outer shield
Jul 24 22:54:25  KrisAbsinthe_-: gps antennas are generally connected via coax, ys.
Jul 24 22:54:54  thanks, mine broke off and im trying to engineer a new cable
Jul 24 22:55:04  arecord --device=NAME selects a device. And arecord -l lists the devices. Only I can't figure out what is the NAME is the output of arecord. Any clue ?
Jul 24 22:55:31  lolalol: There are loop numbers in most ANIs, if you can find yours. Ask your local 2600 guys :)
Jul 24 22:56:01  ANIs /
Jul 24 22:56:03  ?
Jul 24 22:56:08  what is a ANI ?
Jul 24 22:56:12  1800-444-4444 is an ANI i dont know id it has a loopback or not
Jul 24 22:56:13  try -L instead of -l
Jul 24 22:57:03  Announce Number Identify ANI
Jul 24 22:57:10  there seem to be only default or null, is that right Yashy ?
Jul 24 22:57:29  KrisAbsinthe_-: thanks
Jul 24 22:57:34  yup
Jul 24 22:58:53  what's the diff beteen 'splinter' and 'diversity-nav' ? do I need them both?
Jul 24 23:00:47  I saw Werner at the Linux Con in Ottawa and he said there is no longer any danger of bricking the phone when you flash an image.  That's now what the Wiki says.  Maybe I am misinterpreting, but if the Wiki is wrong someone who knows (better than me) should change it.
Jul 24 23:01:04  why would there be?
Jul 24 23:01:11  you mean a kernel/rootfs image?
Jul 24 23:01:32  was only a danger when there was no NOR 
Jul 24 23:02:22  I suppose, I haven't flashed one yet.  In any event the wiki says you can do that and it made me a bit nervous when I read it.
Jul 24 23:02:28  these pig tails are realy hard to seperate, Ihate it
Jul 24 23:03:22 * pjz has only flashed a kernel and a rootfs
Jul 24 23:03:33  reminds me, I should check out my debug board to make sure it works
Jul 24 23:03:58  it came with a guitar pick :)
Jul 24 23:06:37  holy crap, antartica looks MASSIVE in tangogps map
Jul 24 23:07:06  Its is quite large after all
Jul 24 23:07:33  heya KrisAbsinthe_- 
Jul 24 23:07:35  I am having a bit of problem making qemu-local with MokoMakefile.. It fails with "moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin: No such file or directory".
Jul 24 23:07:47  I am trying to build one for freerunner..
Jul 24 23:08:11  kd8ikt: whats up
Jul 24 23:08:21  hmm, i guess google maps does the same thing, just that type of map representation does that.
Jul 24 23:08:53  but then, my moko/build/qemu directory doesn't have any uImage*.bin.. 
Jul 24 23:10:10  My target build worked fine though.. Am I supposed to just copy the necessary files from moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02 directory to qemu directory?
Jul 24 23:11:24  can i build the new gta02 with this howto: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu ?
Jul 24 23:13:57  i am writing this from my freerunner
Jul 24 23:14:18  nice
Jul 24 23:14:51  kinda hard to get used to...
Jul 24 23:15:01  what irc software are you using?
Jul 24 23:15:08  bitchx!
Jul 24 23:15:28 * UndrWater bets irssi
Jul 24 23:15:42  mIRC
Jul 24 23:15:44  good point
Jul 24 23:15:47  lol
Jul 24 23:15:49  nope...pidgin...:p
Jul 24 23:15:52  i can imagine, it wasn't easy with a hardware kb on my wing, and the fr's soft qwerty kbs are no amazingly quick thing
Jul 24 23:15:54 * Chox stabs.
Jul 24 23:17:15  it was the only one I've found so far
Jul 24 23:17:35  gotta make sure to install all the extra qtopia-x11 apps after this flash before running to 2007.2 apps to fill in the blanks
Jul 24 23:17:38  speaking of irssi
Jul 24 23:17:48 * kd8ikt runs off to try compiling it for the moko
Jul 24 23:18:10  kd8ikt: it's already available
Jul 24 23:18:41  yeah but i wanna make it myself
Jul 24 23:18:48  xscreensaver would be nice
Jul 24 23:19:01  i could find some fun things to do with sonar
Jul 24 23:19:13  hehe
Jul 24 23:19:22  mod it to show gsm wifi and gps
Jul 24 23:19:32  hrm
Jul 24 23:19:53  distance from center - link qiality?
Jul 24 23:20:04  snds neat dont it
Jul 24 23:20:06  how can I import my thunderbird contacts in the freerunner ?
Jul 24 23:21:04  kd8ikt: cept what it'd do to the battery life  :)
Jul 24 23:21:30  still be fun to play with
Jul 24 23:21:43  oh cant forget bluetooth aswell
Jul 24 23:22:02  hrm
Jul 24 23:22:04  hm does hcitool even report signal strength
Jul 24 23:22:12  not sure
Jul 24 23:22:20 * kd8ikt doesnt have any blutooth dev's around here
Jul 24 23:22:57  cept my fone
Jul 24 23:23:25  untill i thought about it i was gonna recommend having it plot various wifi APs, bt devices, and cell towers, but no way to know where they are
Jul 24 23:25:57 * lolalol reading http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td535240
Jul 24 23:26:16  kd8ikt: CQ from VE7 land :)
Jul 24 23:28:37  lolalol: Lemme know if you come across a manual way to edit a flatfile of contacts. I tried to edit ~/.evolution/*addressbook.db which it didn't like. 
Jul 24 23:29:02  lolalol: There is also apparently a known issue when it only pulls random people from your SIM card to contacts on each boot
Jul 24 23:29:05  where in gods name is VE
Jul 24 23:29:23  above you :)
Jul 24 23:29:31 * Yashy looks down at kd8ikt
Jul 24 23:29:32  canada
Jul 24 23:29:41  Yup, and 7 is West coast
Jul 24 23:30:13  get ax.25 ported to the NF yet? :)
Jul 24 23:30:39  dunno whats in the kernel
Jul 24 23:31:31  NSA_KEY? :)
Jul 24 23:36:14  Yashy: I exported to LDIF my thunderbird address book, then imported in Kontact, then exported to a single VCF file. 
Jul 24 23:36:49  I need to figure out what to do with the VCF file now :-)
Jul 24 23:37:53  reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
Jul 24 23:42:35  Yashy: no NSA_KEY - - jOERG_KEY ;-) [kindly supported by raster security inc]
Jul 24 23:44:04  sad.
Jul 24 23:44:37  re
Jul 24 23:44:42  ruh roh
Jul 24 23:45:11  man.. just read a bit of glamo documentation and answer mails with detailquestions... that thing isnt so bad seen from the docs.
Jul 24 23:45:13  roh: mooo
Jul 24 23:45:20  heh
Jul 24 23:45:23  good.
Jul 24 23:45:27  just tricky to use right propably... but has some really nice features...
Jul 24 23:45:36  atleast it seems so... 
Jul 24 23:45:46  people just love being negative, I think
Jul 24 23:45:53  I think Glamo will work out just fine.
Jul 24 23:46:11  one has the feeling of nearly seeing latches folding up in the air when reading it...  some engineers had fun there
Jul 24 23:46:36 * Chox awaiteth 3D trickery
Jul 24 23:47:11  could imagine one could do more with it than the manuf knows it can.. some things have 'generic' smell... where some bit-combinations are valid ops, and the rest is just 'reserved'
Jul 24 23:47:24  ask raster, think there's some harsh limits regarding buffer size etc
Jul 24 23:47:32  3d i dunno..
Jul 24 23:47:34  well, that's true of any hackable device.  People always do unexpected stuff
Jul 24 23:47:46  I mean, the C64 has ethernet, for goodness sake
Jul 24 23:47:57  not that there is real use for it... besides that textures can only have 8bit long sides.. means 256x256 pixels max... hard limit... 
Jul 24 23:48:13  Doomtastic
Jul 24 23:48:25  and i will surely not even dare to try wrinting tiling code there.. someone else will need to take that pain (if it does make sense at all)
Jul 24 23:48:30  there's also been sth like 512*512 for 3D
Jul 24 23:48:33  that's how big the textures were in original Doom
Jul 24 23:49:26  according to raster. the 3d render buffer IIRC
Jul 24 23:50:33  I always hear "it's not designed for VGA, we're already pushing it beyond limits"
Jul 24 23:50:45  who cares about 3d.. it needs to blit, fast, with alpha and colorkeying... the rest is just silly fancypants and energy consumption, but will not help gaining any real feature or niceness besides bling
Jul 24 23:51:00  ACK
Jul 24 23:51:18  playing movies well of course is of course an obvious target.  But that seems to be mostly there.
Jul 24 23:51:25  [2008-07-25 07:46] * Chox awaiteth 3D trickery
Jul 24 23:51:27  -of course
Jul 24 23:51:42  joejarvis: pfft.  I'm just sayin'.  I know what is important.
Jul 24 23:51:45  gah
Jul 24 23:51:49  joerg_rw
Jul 24 23:51:50  do they make bluetooth mini keyboards cause that would come in handy
Jul 24 23:51:56  :P
Jul 24 23:52:10  anyways.  see you clowns later.
Jul 24 23:52:15  and good luck with glamo.
Jul 24 23:52:16  actually that was the first person who reached me with a detailed question for meaning of bits in specific registers...  still the most people rather cry about glamo, than to the right thing and first get something usefull out of it and cry when done everything that makes real sense to optimize
Jul 24 23:52:40  Chox xvideo is implemented in xglamo already and seems to work ok
Jul 24 23:52:45  yessir
Jul 24 23:52:46  off!
Jul 24 23:53:13  http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=725 <-- that would be nice to have with a freerunner
Jul 24 23:53:18  someone wanna change the topic? or is the 850 still in stock? :p
Jul 24 23:54:03  rut roh
Jul 24 23:54:30  joerg :)
Jul 24 23:54:37  How is everyone?
Jul 24 23:55:01  http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/frogpad-bluetooth-mini-keyboard.shtml <-- or that
Jul 24 23:55:04  http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/import_contacts does not work
Jul 24 23:55:10  on freerunner
Jul 24 23:56:15  what application keeps the address book ?
Jul 24 23:56:45  is there any news on when the next shipment of 850s will be?
Jul 24 23:57:20  thats pretty neat
Jul 24 23:57:22  http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
Jul 25 00:00:32  hello all
Jul 25 00:00:41  what application keeps the address book ? e-addressbook-factory
Jul 25 00:01:03  and the import sdript must be run from the terminal because it does X11 calls 
Jul 25 00:03:18  o.O
Jul 25 00:03:41  kelvie, I heard a rumor about tomorrow...
Jul 25 00:03:51  Though I have no idea :)
Jul 25 00:03:58  DaveLab: where from? :)
Jul 25 00:04:08  shop trolls, presumably
Jul 25 00:04:16  mm
Jul 25 00:04:29  a couple different users came in this morning mentioning isn't there supposed to be a new shipment coming in tomorrow
Jul 25 00:04:36  the 900s are I'm pretty sure
Jul 25 00:04:37  or they heard something like that, hence it being rumored :)
Jul 25 00:04:46  don't know about the 850s
Jul 25 00:04:49  oh, okay, yeah but for 850's I don't know :)
Jul 25 00:04:50  :D
Jul 25 00:04:58  Who knows -- It's a mystery!
Jul 25 00:05:01  yeah.. the guys at Koolu said they don't know either
Jul 25 00:05:05  but the 900s are coming tomorrow
Jul 25 00:05:14  AH, okay
Jul 25 00:05:17  but who needs them? :P
Jul 25 00:05:19  and the 900s will have the capacitor fix
Jul 25 00:05:32  ooh la la
Jul 25 00:05:34  which one? :P
Jul 25 00:05:38  (for what)
Jul 25 00:05:44  sd?
Jul 25 00:05:53  yeah, the sdcard/GPS issue
Jul 25 00:05:58  OH
Jul 25 00:06:00  okay :p
Jul 25 00:06:03  goody
Jul 25 00:06:34  kelvie_work, are there many bugs? Also looking at getting an 850, but I'm unsure on whether to wait because of hardware issues with the phone
Jul 25 00:06:41  fragged!
Jul 25 00:06:51  fragged: just stuff I hear from the mailing list
Jul 25 00:07:08  there's an audio issue with low impedance head phones.. and the SD card reader/GPS issue
Jul 25 00:07:20  (for hardware issues anyways, I don't care about software issues :P)
Jul 25 00:07:37  DaveLab, Harrow!
Jul 25 00:07:44  hallow!
Jul 25 00:08:32  the SD+GPS issue was resolved for me in the most recent 2007.2 - i get fixes with an SD card in, now
Jul 25 00:08:38  fragged: there's a "Freerunner Hardware Issues" wiki page that might be of interest. 
Jul 25 00:08:45  clap clap
Jul 25 00:08:51  hells yeah there is!
Jul 25 00:08:55  Hello mountour :)
Jul 25 00:09:05  Hi DaveLab
Jul 25 00:09:27  mmontour, cheers, I'll take a look at that :D
Jul 25 00:09:36  I still have to document those power issues -_-
Jul 25 00:09:37  uggh
Jul 25 00:09:47 * DaveLab wants to hire a slave
Jul 25 00:10:15  I think I am going to go down to the lobby and play Net.
Jul 25 00:10:22  nuclear_eclipse :p
Jul 25 00:11:04  I told one of my friends in the lab about you flashing your images and reverting back to gtk for Net, they laughed and smirked at me, since that's totally something I would have done :D
Jul 25 00:11:20  Now, time for some good Net-ing :)
Jul 25 00:28:00  asu is really nice once you install all the apps the image doesn't come with  :)
Jul 25 01:04:16  AntonTakk, well, yeah :P
Jul 25 01:04:26  Also that the ones that come with it kind of suck :)
Jul 25 01:04:30  moo.
Jul 25 01:04:46  apt-dave moo
Jul 25 01:05:12  :)aper!!!!!!!
Jul 25 01:05:31  at$t sending me a sim that says 3g on it;/
Jul 25 01:05:38  So?
Jul 25 01:05:40  What's wrong with that.
Jul 25 01:05:48  will it still work?
Jul 25 01:05:59  What type of 3G SIM is it?
Jul 25 01:06:13  y i dont know yet
Jul 25 01:06:19  brand?
Jul 25 01:06:22  It seems like nearly all the fireball SIMs work
Jul 25 01:06:27  Dave: that's not true
Jul 25 01:06:34  Most of them do!
Jul 25 01:06:36  I've had models of each fireball sim that haven't worked
Jul 25 01:06:42  the fireball sim I have now works occasionally
Jul 25 01:06:44  If you're worried, check the wiki.
Jul 25 01:06:54  cjb, heehee, sucky :P
Jul 25 01:06:57  so wat to do just keep sending them back?
Jul 25 01:07:08  the wiki says, for each fireball type, there are some reports of success and some of failure
Jul 25 01:07:11  Man, all I know is all of mine work, so I have never had a reason to complain in that department.
Jul 25 01:07:15  linuxxee: don't think they have any others
Jul 25 01:07:17  Hello.. when I try to make a qemu image, i get this error message "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20".  Does anyone know why this happens?
Jul 25 01:07:21  yeah, all i all, the hardware sucks :D
Jul 25 01:07:29  thats the picture i got
Jul 25 01:07:47  Well, it's also AT&T's fault too.
Jul 25 01:07:53  Which they sort of admitted. :p
Jul 25 01:08:17  like, oh hey, by the way, we have non-standard SIMs... sssh, you're not supposed to know that :D
Jul 25 01:08:22  anyone else having issues calling out? I call out it shows it's calling out but no dialling sound no ringing, and sometime it will call out like a minute later? but now all the time either, is it the phone or my provider
Jul 25 01:08:25  ?
Jul 25 01:08:52  who is your provider
Jul 25 01:09:00  fido
Jul 25 01:09:04  A minute is a long time...
Jul 25 01:09:27  especially if you already hung up the call
Jul 25 01:09:32  I would probably scrutinize the phone.
Jul 25 01:09:35  hahaha :P
Jul 25 01:09:44  oh you're saying the dest rings a minute later?
Jul 25 01:09:49  or the phone calls (again?)
Jul 25 01:10:00  the des ring a minute LATER
Jul 25 01:10:07  because shit like you hang up but the dest phone rings moments later, is very typical
Jul 25 01:10:11  that's common
Jul 25 01:10:15  or at least I am aware of it :)
Jul 25 01:10:30  It's likely a combination of both!
Jul 25 01:10:32  :D
Jul 25 01:10:44  Though I'm sure that news neither pleases nor amuses you.
Jul 25 01:10:47  :\
Jul 25 01:11:06  In order to compile with gcc3, do I need to uninstall gcc4?
Jul 25 01:11:14  no
Jul 25 01:11:22  Just install the gcc-3.x libraries
Jul 25 01:11:25  (headers)
Jul 25 01:11:25  no, but you need to point whatever Makefile you're running to call "gcc3.X"
Jul 25 01:11:30  ok so it's a phone thing, and yes that is annoying
Jul 25 01:11:35  There is usually a package available for that.
Jul 25 01:11:51  and that's the reason I kept my oldf phone
Jul 25 01:11:59  railer, it could also be your service provider has a significant lag time, but no more than say ten to fifteen seconds.
Jul 25 01:12:00  hmm. okay. I am using MokoMakefile.. Does it automatically use gcc3?
Jul 25 01:12:04  :)
Jul 25 01:12:12  Zandini: yes, if it can find it
Jul 25 01:12:13  It requires it.
Jul 25 01:15:30  Thanks.. Strange, I do have gcc-3.4 and gcc-3.4 installed. But still get the bad register error when running qemu flash command..
Jul 25 01:15:33  man, the software on this phone is so broken... hehe
Jul 25 01:16:02  lintman!
Jul 25 01:16:07  oh, and yeah it is :P
Jul 25 01:16:14  when i try to run the sms app on 2007.2 now, i get a dbus error that tells me "Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in."
Jul 25 01:16:19  I wish 10 to 15 seconds these calls never go out often
Jul 25 01:16:24  i'm rebooting.. hehe
Jul 25 01:16:41  lint I have a report for you
Jul 25 01:16:59  oh, it was you requesting his presence, earlier! :)
Jul 25 01:17:02  oh?
Jul 25 01:17:03  I was just trying to remember :)
Jul 25 01:17:12  did you notice that the application dials that 1-900 number i set up?
Jul 25 01:17:21  several suggestions for lint-wifi
Jul 25 01:17:30  o.O
Jul 25 01:17:36  lintwifi!
Jul 25 01:17:42  mmm... yum
Jul 25 01:18:01  anyone else had a problem doing NAND programming for qemu?
Jul 25 01:18:16  but I still can use it to connect
Jul 25 01:19:18  sorry, still CAN'T use it to connect to wifi
Jul 25 01:19:42  so is your suggestion that it works?
Jul 25 01:19:49  no
Jul 25 01:19:55  because i already have that on my list of suggestions
Jul 25 01:21:18  1. make the wep wpa password non password, it's hard enough to enter the password without being able to check it, and if a guy is that close to read it you'll know.
Jul 25 01:22:18  and don't, ahem, type your password into the channel
Jul 25 01:22:55  Chocky, i'll do as i please.
Jul 25 01:23:13  doesn't matter, I already did it earlier :o
Jul 25 01:23:33  and I'm once again reminded of that bash.org quote
Jul 25 01:23:37 * peepsalot checks his scrollback
Jul 25 01:23:42  heh, yay... running opkg upgrade just gives me a very long list of 404 errors now
Jul 25 01:23:45  2. the scan leaves a memory that hangs a around quite a while,  you do a scan and move and scan in a completely different area and the old scan comes up
Jul 25 01:24:00  :)
Jul 25 01:24:09  Yay, let's all critizie lintwifi :D
Jul 25 01:24:21  railer, the scan on the ap list?
Jul 25 01:24:32  because the "conn" page is kinda cached
Jul 25 01:24:46  but the scan on the ap list updates every time, which is why it takes like 3 seconds
Jul 25 01:24:46  no the scan
Jul 25 01:26:37  faster scan would be nice, but ya I would scan, close the program, drive down the road, turn on the app again, and the original ap's would show again 
Jul 25 01:27:24  faster scan isn't an option methinks
Jul 25 01:27:37  but i don't get how that could happen..
Jul 25 01:28:05  and this is not criticizing this is debugging report, the app itself is quite amazing, and ieatlint is some kind of programming guru if this is his first app, very well done
Jul 25 01:28:32  i'm no guru... :P
Jul 25 01:28:38  it's my first python app
Jul 25 01:29:01  hi, will there be a 4 band neo sometime?
Jul 25 01:29:30  MrKeuner, the freerunner never will be... as for future devices, their specs are unknown
Jul 25 01:30:22  the of course dream feature is an autoscan that will vibrate every time if finds an open connection.
Jul 25 01:30:24  is wpa currently broken?
Jul 25 01:30:56  haw
Jul 25 01:31:09  you cafe hunter :P
Jul 25 01:31:11  railer, that would be pretty easy, actually
Jul 25 01:31:21  yeah
Jul 25 01:31:31  you could write that in bash in just a minute or two
Jul 25 01:32:07  you could I would need more time
Jul 25 01:32:12  Lint, Are patches welcome? :)
Jul 25 01:32:49  Dave, yes, although at the moment i will only apply them by hand
Jul 25 01:32:51  but the ability to speed up the scan would be great, oh and if you click the scan enough times you'll crash the programs
Jul 25 01:33:00  well, yes :p
Jul 25 01:33:10  haha
Jul 25 01:33:25  MAN
Jul 25 01:33:28  Who wrote this!?
Jul 25 01:33:35  :P
Jul 25 01:33:59  yo momma
Jul 25 01:34:00  who wrote what?
Jul 25 01:34:07  railer, "iwlist eth0 scan | grep off && echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness && sleep 3 && echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness"
Jul 25 01:34:37  I'll copy that
Jul 25 01:34:43  that will vibrate the phone if an ap without encryption is in range, unless i typoed
Jul 25 01:35:14  yeah, it works
Jul 25 01:36:10  cool does it loop?
Jul 25 01:37:05  while true; do iwlist eth0 scan | grep off && echo 255 > /sys/c
Jul 25 01:37:05  lass/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness && sleep 3 && echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/ne
Jul 25 01:37:05  o1973\:vibrator/brightness ; sleep 5; done
Jul 25 01:37:14  err, minus the line breaks
Jul 25 01:37:28  replace "sleep 5" with your own interval
Jul 25 01:37:33  ctrl+c to stop
Jul 25 01:37:50  spam jogging nice
Jul 25 01:39:11  sadly, my priorities are not to aid people in wardriving at the moment
Jul 25 01:39:37  still, that's pretty nice of you ieatlint
Jul 25 01:39:40  i want to finish up lint-wifi and then get my toolchain set up properly so i can better compile apps for it
Jul 25 01:39:48  heh
Jul 25 01:39:49  There's already a wheel for that
Jul 25 01:40:02  hoenoes, it's raster
Jul 25 01:40:12  for what, carrar ?
Jul 25 01:40:15  Dave:  i deny that allegation.
Jul 25 01:40:16  this would be more war jogging, little too for war driving, beside I already have war driving down smooth
Jul 25 01:40:18  ieatlint, yeah, that would be nice :)
Jul 25 01:40:20  ... wardriving
Jul 25 01:40:21  raster, haha!
Jul 25 01:40:21  so hows it commng along lint?
Jul 25 01:40:27  carrar, yeah yeah
Jul 25 01:40:32  kd8ikt: haha
Jul 25 01:40:35  kd8ikt, there's a wiki page up now
Jul 25 01:40:39  ieatlint: now we're all harassing you!
Jul 25 01:40:44  Muwahahaha
Jul 25 01:40:53  Not directly related to this channel, but...does anybody here use Scratchbox and know how to get a big endian toolchain working?
Jul 25 01:40:56  if i get off my ass, i might actually finish it today
Jul 25 01:41:19  Dave: vicious rumors spread by my competitors them is!
Jul 25 01:41:52  i'm also pretty annoyed that the phone says i have 2 unread sms, but its messages app closes the instant i start it so i can't read them
Jul 25 01:43:03  is there an application that can determine frequency of a tone coming from the microphone
Jul 25 01:43:05  lintwifi looks damn good!
Jul 25 01:43:06  "Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in." ... i mean, wtf?
Jul 25 01:43:11  i always get issues with wifi crapping out on me after trying to re associate with another AP
Jul 25 01:43:37  raster >:)
Jul 25 01:43:42  need a tried and true verified processes of resetting wifi
Jul 25 01:44:26  power off power on?
Jul 25 01:44:31  clap on, clap off!
Jul 25 01:44:32  :D
Jul 25 01:44:39  oh hot, I wonder if I could code that!
Jul 25 01:44:40  tried it
Jul 25 01:45:09  lol
Jul 25 01:45:15  anyone know how to add parameters to the boot process
Jul 25 01:45:23  kinda cool the vibrator is adjustable speed, i wonder if it could play a simple song
Jul 25 01:45:48  could make beats to go along with ringtones
Jul 25 01:46:03  peepsalot, yeah, that kind of idea crossed my mind
Jul 25 01:46:13  you could create a program that indexes an audiofile
Jul 25 01:46:36  so that you could make a player that both played the file and used the index to send numbers to the vibrator
Jul 25 01:47:20  what do you mean index it?  would that be in a separate file, or embedded somehow
Jul 25 01:47:36  please don't
Jul 25 01:47:37  i also want to get neverball on the thing, if even possible... hook it up to the accelerometer for input
Jul 25 01:47:38  I'll kill you!
Jul 25 01:47:52  Dave me, why?
Jul 25 01:48:09  Long story
Jul 25 01:48:17  involves a lawsuit and a vibrator
Jul 25 01:48:21  involving yo momma
Jul 25 01:48:22  let's leave it at that ;p
Jul 25 01:48:26  raster IF ONLY
Jul 25 01:48:27  :D
Jul 25 01:48:27  sounds kinky
Jul 25 01:48:31  right
Jul 25 01:48:31  hahaha
Jul 25 01:48:33  lol
Jul 25 01:48:56 * raster wonders...
Jul 25 01:49:14  shouldi export virtual keyboard hint control to the ecore_evas api...
Jul 25 01:49:26  or leave it at the x api...
Jul 25 01:49:34  as x is theonly thing implementing it...
Jul 25 01:49:43  bah
Jul 25 01:49:46  humbug
Jul 25 01:49:51  i'll leave it where it is
Jul 25 01:49:54  its clean
Jul 25 01:53:01  Mr. Raster
Jul 25 01:53:24  aye sir!
Jul 25 01:53:47  I need full power, Mister Raster!
Jul 25 01:54:09  aye aye capn '!
Jul 25 01:54:16  :)
Jul 25 01:55:28  peepsalot: you could use 'jaaa' (spectrum analyzer) to measure a tone from the microphone
Jul 25 01:56:24  Dave: i canna give it no moar capn'.., i jast doooont have tha powrrr!
Jul 25 01:56:28  mmontour, where do i get that?
Jul 25 01:57:37  it's in OE so you should be able to build it with 'bitbake jaaa'. dunno if there are pre-built binaries anywhere
Jul 25 01:58:48  TTt
Jul 25 01:59:01  oops
Jul 25 01:59:11  it's a GUI app and it may not work well on the Freerunner's screen. I ran it over ssh + X11 forwarding from my PC
Jul 25 02:05:23 * roh won the battle.. now attending the next one... to win the war
Jul 25 02:06:48  haha raster:)
Jul 25 02:06:55  go roh!
Jul 25 02:06:58  you can do it!
Jul 25 02:07:14  ieatlint: 
Jul 25 02:07:36  do you really need a build env for that? its just a few py scripts right?
Jul 25 02:07:56  though it is always nice to have it in a pkg
Jul 25 02:08:14  i can package things into ipkg without a toolchain methinks
Jul 25 02:08:42  but i don't particularly like python... it serves a purpose, for sure, but i prefer low level languages
Jul 25 02:09:04  plus, i want to be able to compile applications for the FR as i see fit... (such as bluez with alsa support)
Jul 25 02:09:06  yeah something compiled
Jul 25 02:09:31  pluss it'll end up using a smaller ram footprint
Jul 25 02:09:36  ieatlint, would a low level lang, speed a scan? or just too much work?
Jul 25 02:10:02  anyway i got that icon img if ya want
Jul 25 02:10:32  http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/
Jul 25 02:11:29  probably would look better with the inside parts colored white i knoticed its hard to read unless its highlighted
Jul 25 02:11:52  
Jul 25 02:12:00  railer, well, the overall application would be faster
Jul 25 02:12:08  but the scan is performed by wpa_supplicant -- not me
Jul 25 02:12:19  and i don't think it could be made any faster
Jul 25 02:12:23  yeah so it'll still take a few sec's
Jul 25 02:12:49  I thought you could do java on thing thing?
Jul 25 02:13:29  uhm, i'm told there is a java runtime for it
Jul 25 02:13:43  but i personally despise java, and it is most definitely not a low level language
Jul 25 02:13:56  yes, it can be compiled though
Jul 25 02:13:57  it is complied
Jul 25 02:14:05  kinda
Jul 25 02:14:16  still has to be run under the java_vm
Jul 25 02:14:17  it still requires an interpreter
Jul 25 02:14:30  so it's not a binary executable
Jul 25 02:14:35  :P to java
Jul 25 02:14:44  python can also be compiled
Jul 25 02:14:58  oh yeah it can cant it?! 
Jul 25 02:16:06  so when do we get a working copy? 
Jul 25 02:16:14 * railer build java jsf apps right now
Jul 25 02:16:51  oh, i have a perfectly working copy right here, i just hate all you so i'm giving you broken copies only
Jul 25 02:17:09  heh
Jul 25 02:17:12  lol
Jul 25 02:17:17  dick!
Jul 25 02:17:22  Dave heh.. nothing complicated.. just weird... got a machine with ipmi 1.5 and couldnt' ignore that thing having lots of thermal monitoring
Jul 25 02:17:54  ever think of adding it to the main package git tree?
Jul 25 02:18:37  :]
Jul 25 02:18:52  or like tangogps and that fullkeyboard pkg hosted on their main respective sites
Jul 25 02:20:50  anyway i'll bookmark the wiki page and check it for updates/links
Jul 25 02:21:33  i'm more thinking about finishing it
Jul 25 02:22:05  although, oddly, thinking about it is really just procrastination
Jul 25 02:22:46  heh gonna pull an allnighter?
Jul 25 02:23:18  Thu Jul 24 22:33:51 EDT 2008
Jul 25 02:23:37  ugh i think my time is off
Jul 25 02:23:55  oh no its right i though it said 24 but thats that date not the hour
Jul 25 02:30:31  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8ac571bf63d4 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update to latest efl and illume that uses vkbd wrappers in ecore_x.
Jul 25 02:30:31  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r02b3d9ddccf7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev
Jul 25 02:34:18  angstrom-version - 1:P1-Snapshot-20080424-r1
Jul 25 02:34:35  is that an uptodate package?
Jul 25 02:37:34  :]
Jul 25 02:39:11  any of you know if asu's util that lsts you setup gprs connections works?
Jul 25 02:39:19  lets*
Jul 25 02:39:30  openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r11bfec48bde6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 169... to match typo fix in ecore
Jul 25 02:40:51  just got my freerunner today, i'm really excited! what's everybody working on top of -- 2007.2, ASU, or FSO?
Jul 25 02:41:28  me? 2007/SHR
Jul 25 02:41:33  i'm using asu full time as my only cell phone
Jul 25 02:42:05  what about the core developers -- what are they spending their time on?
Jul 25 02:42:43  i believe - short term: asu, long term: fso
Jul 25 02:43:06  k
Jul 25 02:44:54  where is a list of updated packages  foe the stock install
Jul 25 02:45:08  opkg update && opkg upgrade
Jul 25 02:45:19  beat me to it Chocky :)
Jul 25 02:45:22  the list
Jul 25 02:45:49  guess im not configuried right yet
Jul 25 02:46:24  my freerunner seems to make crackling and popping sometimes when it plays the touchscreen tap sound
Jul 25 02:46:56 * araujo greets raster 
Jul 25 02:50:10  peepsalot: i have had that before in 2007.2's media player running under asu - no idea what caused it
Jul 25 02:50:11 * raster greets araujo 
Jul 25 02:50:20  :-/
Jul 25 02:50:21  :-]
Jul 25 02:51:40 * raster blames Dave 
Jul 25 02:54:16  hello moko
Jul 25 02:57:45  850's are in stock?  website doesn't show that
Jul 25 02:58:37  they ran out again
Jul 25 02:58:59  kekeke
Jul 25 02:59:37  i ate them all
Jul 25 02:59:38  *burrp*
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