**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 26 02:59:56 2008 Jul 26 03:01:35 anyone knows how to get gps working? Jul 26 03:02:05 I installed the scardycat opkg conf file, but I still can't install the matchbox keyboard directly... I have to wget it first Jul 26 03:02:11 shouldn't it be available in the repos? Jul 26 03:03:47 my gps is detected, but longitude/latidude is 0/0 Jul 26 03:04:01 wich is kinda far off considering im in germany Jul 26 03:04:02 ronny: perhaps it doesn't have a fix? Jul 26 03:04:17 what fix ? Jul 26 03:04:24 position fix Jul 26 03:04:35 like a satellite reading Jul 26 03:04:39 not a fix like a patch :) Jul 26 03:04:45 although there is one of those, too Jul 26 03:05:00 i always fireup agpsui to init the gps Jul 26 03:05:27 it does a good job Jul 26 03:05:39 it complains about fails Jul 26 03:05:45 hmm Jul 26 03:05:49 kd8ikt: is that the one that provides the startup data? Jul 26 03:06:01 openmoko-agpsui Jul 26 03:06:56 has anyone ported man to the FR? :P Jul 26 03:07:00 hey ieatlint, so no more debugging for a while? Jul 26 03:07:31 man is kept off of embedded devices cause of space constraints Jul 26 03:07:37 yes, but I want it Jul 26 03:07:52 kd8ikt: how many fails do you usualy get before it finds it? Jul 26 03:08:05 I'll trade a little space for some man pages Jul 26 03:08:16 me? if i'm outside it gets a fix in like 30-40 sec Jul 26 03:08:30 (latest kernel) Jul 26 03:08:50 should i update the kernel ? Jul 26 03:08:57 what kernel are you using? Jul 26 03:09:10 Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Jul 26 03:09:23 railer, i hope to have the app written tonight... i'm working on it right now Jul 26 03:09:30 it's actually a very simple app, in theory Jul 26 03:09:33 cool Jul 26 03:09:48 dunno if that has the sd card / gps fix on it Jul 26 03:10:20 hmm, how should i go about kernel-updates? Jul 26 03:10:21 no thats the facotry shipped kernel aint it? Jul 26 03:10:42 upgraade the kernel and it should work better Jul 26 03:10:43 kd8ikt: it is fairly old, so probably Jul 26 03:10:48 kd8ikt: yeah Jul 26 03:11:07 does the factory image always update to the latest daily build when you do opkg upgrade? or do you have to flash it with a daily first? Jul 26 03:11:12 grab a kernel from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Jul 26 03:11:36 good point Yanroy Jul 26 03:12:26 btw, how does one keep configurations and stuff wgen reflashing? Jul 26 03:12:27 try try an opkg upgrade kernel Jul 26 03:13:04 then reboot see if that does the trick Jul 26 03:13:37 I have to falsh mine somehow I'm 2 months behind Jul 26 03:18:30 ronny: flashing a kernel wont disrupt the filesystem/configs but rootfs will and your best bet is to manually back them up or just start all over from scratch Jul 26 03:18:56 if you saved phone contacts just backup home/root/ Jul 26 03:20:10 cp -r /home/root/* /mnt/card/bkup/home/ Jul 26 03:20:37 aint there a backup tool yet/sync to sdcard? Jul 26 03:20:43 rsync? Jul 26 03:20:51 heh... svn? Jul 26 03:20:58 backuptool=cp Jul 26 03:21:37 * Yanroy loads up an ancient SIM in an attempt to recover his contacts Jul 26 03:22:15 i guess one could make a quick python gui for those that think it would somehow be more convenient Jul 26 03:22:25 then ssh + cp Jul 26 03:23:49 the easiest is to just ssh and map a drive to it and drag the back to your computer, about 30 seconds? Jul 26 03:24:43 hmm... I just used the python sim contact copy script and I got 1 contact called "See iDEN Phbk" Jul 26 03:24:52 any thoughts on how I can get my actual contacts? Jul 26 03:25:14 railer: but thats not convient, and not instant Jul 26 03:25:16 I really need to recover these contacts... some of them are irreplaceable, and the phone this SIM is from is literally broken in half Jul 26 03:25:33 it's pretty damn near instant Jul 26 03:26:04 railer: no it isnt, and it wont help me for anything except local things Jul 26 03:26:05 hmm Jul 26 03:26:22 * nullpuppy sighs Jul 26 03:26:27 * ronny wants backup of phone-contacts to a jabber roster Jul 26 03:26:31 well, this sucks. i've lsot my stylus Jul 26 03:26:53 well how do you expect to flash the system if you are not local? Jul 26 03:26:56 hmm, got to sleep Jul 26 03:27:41 railer: flashing isnt the only thing i want to do Jul 26 03:27:45 well, night Jul 26 03:28:06 has anyone had any success reading nextel SIMs with the FR? Jul 26 03:28:24 is there a tool for interogating a SIM? Jul 26 03:28:55 hm come to think of it i might just make such a backup gui but fill it with like a trillion lines of comments saying howver installs this is lame, so it'll take up like 100MB's of space Jul 26 03:29:22 good idea Jul 26 03:29:44 reading the sim... i havent tried yet, also bee a great idea to write contacts to it Jul 26 03:29:53 or just allow it to run in the bg and zombie his phone Jul 26 03:31:46 what is the best build for 2007.2 right now? Jul 26 03:34:12 oh Ieatlint I did hook up to a wifi manually and the other sections worked quite nicely Jul 26 03:38:13 that's about on par with everyone else Jul 26 03:38:23 bah... I can send AT commands to the modem querying the SIM, but it just tells me "see iden phbk" Jul 26 03:38:36 I don't know how to ask it about the iden phonebook Jul 26 03:38:51 i think i need to change how people see the program... it's not meant to be point and click to connect to this network Jul 26 03:39:26 why? I thought that was the point? Jul 26 03:39:42 it's supposed to be "here are the APs i see, the ones i can connect to are noted, and you can change the list of ones i can connect to" Jul 26 03:40:08 which is a superior method, really Jul 26 03:40:55 ok thats what I though it was, scan/connect sort of thing Jul 26 03:41:20 it's an interface to wpa_supplicant, and so its behaviour is determined by wpa_supplicant Jul 26 03:41:29 to your save will modify the wpa_supplicant? can a guy save his connections? Jul 26 03:41:49 in time, yes Jul 26 03:42:50 scan select connect and save, is perfect, it's mobile there should not be a "default" connection Jul 26 03:43:29 exactly, you turn it on, it looks for what APs it can see, and connects to ones it can based on encryption level and signal level Jul 26 03:43:33 that's wpa_supplicant Jul 26 03:44:08 you can override it's normal choice using priorities, which i will add support for later Jul 26 03:44:11 its Jul 26 03:44:29 ya A. auto connect is highly insecure and B. IT"S MOBILE! Jul 26 03:45:03 I'm use to war driving made perfect sense to me Jul 26 03:45:22 auto connect isn't insecure unless you leave the default password as nothing (then anyone can ssh into your phone) Jul 26 03:45:49 but yeah, if configured to do so, you could *in theory* walk down a street and hop from wap to wap Jul 26 03:46:07 the delays in switching waps would suck though, and of course active connections would be reset Jul 26 03:46:28 but for web (which would include things like gps maps), it could work Jul 26 03:46:36 ya that would be cool, but these thing have such a poor wifi antenna I doubt that would be possible Jul 26 03:47:07 ok kids Jul 26 03:47:11 draft of my masterwork: Jul 26 03:47:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_Rewrite Jul 26 03:47:34 * SpeedEvil prepares to HACK IT TO PIECES! Jul 26 03:47:42 sweet Jul 26 03:47:48 NO its just a child! Jul 26 03:49:23 You might want to fix hte grammar in the first sentance, and wikify LAN Jul 26 03:49:28 sentence :p Jul 26 03:49:32 and break that line then Jul 26 03:50:29 You're also leaping in without defining gateway Jul 26 03:50:35 certainly Jul 26 03:50:40 there's things to add Jul 26 03:50:49 this is to start, a rewrite of what was there Jul 26 03:50:56 wifi on the edge of forever Jul 26 03:52:04 oh hai ieatlint i had a great idear for your app of you can figure out how to play a sound win python Jul 26 03:52:12 if* Jul 26 03:52:22 with Jul 26 03:52:24 You need to add the appropriate kernel modules/setups too. Jul 26 03:52:46 An easy sound recorder'd be good Jul 26 03:52:51 grab a submarine ping wav for when you click "scan" Jul 26 03:52:52 there is a section on that, which can be expanded Jul 26 03:52:52 err Jul 26 03:52:57 kernel setups for masq Jul 26 03:53:06 which IME was the most confusing and annoying. Jul 26 03:53:14 anyway, it's much less of a toilet now, having had everyone add random comments Jul 26 03:53:21 yes, true Jul 26 03:53:41 * Chocky always builds monolithic kernels, so I dunno what modules are involved. Jul 26 03:54:28 And I need to add some more stuff on subnets, and tricks for overlaps. Jul 26 03:54:50 And then I will BLOW AWAY THE ORIGINAL! muh hah! Jul 26 03:55:20 kd8ikt, that'd just be annoying Jul 26 03:55:28 awe cmon Jul 26 03:55:28 most people wouldn't like it, and it'd be a bit of overhead Jul 26 03:55:44 feel free to hack the program to do it yourself :P Jul 26 03:55:53 i most def will! Jul 26 03:56:15 anything else? Jul 26 03:57:20 well, it'll be 1 down, 10 to go. Uboot and Debian pages are a mess Jul 26 04:00:25 The redhat section looks a bit syntactically dodgy. Jul 26 04:00:37 I mean layout wise Jul 26 04:01:45 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1fbb6bc4558272fc523933e79d1d7bac.png like my icons for lint-wifi and agpsui? Jul 26 04:02:59 agpsui is a glowing alien reading a newspaper? Jul 26 04:03:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NAVSTAR_GPS_logo_shield-official.jpg Jul 26 04:05:17 hm i wonder if animated gif's would work as icons Jul 26 04:05:18 Hi. Jul 26 04:05:35 SpeedEvil: ta Jul 26 04:05:56 kd8ikt: it's too busy IMO. Jul 26 04:06:11 Chocky: did you mention the thing about fedora's iptables rules for a reason? I didn't have any trouble with it, once I realized I needed to NAT Jul 26 04:06:15 * Chocky goes to play OpenArena. Should port that to OpenMoko :o Jul 26 04:06:37 Yanroy: this was copied from previous version. is there something you want to address? Jul 26 04:06:52 k: but I don't have a really good idea. Jul 26 04:07:13 do the satelites move or are they geostationary Jul 26 04:07:36 they move Jul 26 04:07:59 SpeedEvil: I'd rather you didn't try to second guess what I'll be adding before I'm done :o Jul 26 04:08:32 anyway, you added redundant wording Jul 26 04:08:36 Chocky: sorry - feel free to nuke additions Jul 26 04:08:42 Some bits seemed unclear. Jul 26 04:08:50 so you said it again :p Jul 26 04:09:10 I'm still mostly asleep. Jul 26 04:09:18 I probably shouldn't edit stuff. Jul 26 04:09:26 When I use TangoGPS and it downloads map image data from openstreetmap.org, it seems to work fine, is there someway I can store the map images on the FR (for my whole city perhaps) so I don't need wlan connected? Jul 26 04:09:35 saf; yes Jul 26 04:09:39 Yanroy: it's true that the Fedora stuff seems hopelessly complex. All in keeping with my opinion of it, I fear Jul 26 04:09:42 safiiru: wander over the config Jul 26 04:10:02 Chocky:I'm sorry you've had such a hard time with fedora... the reason I use it is because it's so easy. everything just works Jul 26 04:10:03 safiiru: also set it up to store images on /media/card/maps or something Jul 26 04:10:17 then why is this config on this page so complex :p Jul 26 04:10:32 SpeedEvil: Thanks :) Jul 26 04:10:33 as I said earlier, it's not all easy to make a custom kernel RPM. that's a big lose. Jul 26 04:10:55 Chocky: well, I only used about 4 lines of what was written on the wiki :) Jul 26 04:11:04 safiiru: then you zoom out to the city size, get it all in one view, and click 'download to depth n' - where n is large enough to get enough subtiles. Jul 26 04:11:08 Chocky: the rest simply isn't necessary, at least not on my system Jul 26 04:11:09 yes, but to automate it for hotplug? Jul 26 04:11:25 SpeedEvil: Yeah that was my next question. Jul 26 04:11:43 Chocky: hotplug doesn't even exist on my system... I might need to re-run the iptables stuff for NAT, but the config for usb0 should be fine Jul 26 04:12:26 *sigh*... I've run all the AT commands for trying different phone books on my SIM... 2 of them time out, I bet those are the 2 my contacts are in :( Jul 26 04:12:27 yes, but does it come up automatically when you attach the USB cable? Jul 26 04:12:32 Chocky: yep Jul 26 04:12:44 * kd8ikt has been growing his fingernail out for the moko Jul 26 04:12:59 well, I'm happy to blow away the existing stuff if what you have is automagic and shorter Jul 26 04:13:12 all I need for that is this file: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0: Jul 26 04:13:23 i'll file it to a soft pointy tip Jul 26 04:13:23 well, I don't know that what works for me will work for everyone Jul 26 04:13:43 also, I'm using Fedora 7... there are plenty of other ones out there; they're up to 9 now Jul 26 04:14:05 so simply the option A there already? Jul 26 04:14:18 * Chocky wonders about the more complex option B Jul 26 04:14:24 Chocky: plus a few choice iptables commands from option B to enable NAT Jul 26 04:14:32 option A only allows SSH to the FR, not FR->internet Jul 26 04:14:43 hm Jul 26 04:14:47 well, someone else can fix it Jul 26 04:15:07 I might edit it to say "this worked for me..." and leave the complex stuff too Jul 26 04:15:08 * Chocky has sworn not to go near Fedora :o Jul 26 04:15:24 Chocky: but it Just Works Jul 26 04:15:33 I'm not a big fan of first person statements in wikis, even though I've done that a bit here. Jul 26 04:15:50 very well, "some users have reported..." Jul 26 04:15:51 bbiabl. Jul 26 04:15:57 er. bbl. Jul 26 04:16:01 ttyl Jul 26 04:17:15 Yanroy: I couldn't wait I'm currently flashing the ASU. :) Jul 26 04:18:21 kd8ikt: yes, we can here you (Re: SHR mailing list post) Jul 26 04:19:34 heh Jul 26 04:20:54 y Chocky no like fedora? Jul 26 04:21:09 evening Jul 26 04:21:16 umm...or morning...whatever Jul 26 04:21:26 didn't mean to be geocentric Jul 26 04:21:56 we should have a more heliocentric time measure Jul 26 04:22:00 its morning in taipei in case you are wondering Jul 26 04:22:10 oops...just after noon Jul 26 04:22:47 * undrwater sends lunch to the taipei'ans Jul 26 04:22:58 anyone know when the 850 model will be available for sale again? i believe it was schedule for today Jul 26 04:23:59 so for the qtopia image, do i need to pop in mu own kernel / modules or are they on the qtopia site somewhere ? 0.o Jul 26 04:24:08 m/mu/my Jul 26 04:24:08 doh...virtual food wont satisfy the belly....off to lunch. Jul 26 04:24:38 This is sort of a lazy question, I don't see where tangogps is installed, I looked in the regular places, anyone know where it's config is? Jul 26 04:24:39 slurpster: virtual beer doesnt have an effect either Jul 26 04:24:53 Or is it gui? Jul 26 04:25:23 hahah...virt beer....I will probably have a real one after lunch ;) Jul 26 04:25:24 safiiru: lazy answer: gui Jul 26 04:25:56 undrwater: thanks Jul 26 04:26:17 np Jul 26 04:27:06 Centaur5: I just flashed the 2007.2 image :P the ASU is really buggy Jul 26 04:27:15 and slow Jul 26 04:27:24 Yanroy: Oh shoot, I should have talked to you first then. Jul 26 04:27:24 mostly my problem was being unable to get a functional keyboard Jul 26 04:27:29 eh, try it out Jul 26 04:27:31 there's no harm in that Jul 26 04:27:34 maybe you'll like it Jul 26 04:27:39 maybe you'll figure out the keyboard thing... Jul 26 04:27:45 Yanroy: Just more time to import contacts and everything again. :) Jul 26 04:27:57 the ASU reads the SIM correctly Jul 26 04:28:23 is there a package that reads sim? Jul 26 04:28:24 Yanroy: I expected it to have the same home screen as 2007.2 Jul 26 04:28:39 nope Jul 26 04:28:41 very different Jul 26 04:28:55 it's the same home screen as qtopia, as I understand it Jul 26 04:28:55 using enlightenment elements...not gtk Jul 26 04:29:00 though I switched it to be illume Jul 26 04:29:08 (or whatever we call the scrolly thing) Jul 26 04:30:41 anyone know why there's so much oss stuff as opposed to alsa? Jul 26 04:31:29 Yanroy: yeppee, it has an alarm now I can perhaps stop using my old pocket pc to wake up in the morning. :) Jul 26 04:32:42 Centaur5: ASU has an alarm? Jul 26 04:32:58 It says it does and a stopwatch Jul 26 04:34:26 i can hardly wait to replace my treo...maybe a few months...:P Jul 26 04:36:54 does anyone know how I can make the terminal app show up under the utilities category in the launcher? Jul 26 04:37:06 I assume I need to edit a .desktop file or somesuch, but I can't find it Jul 26 04:37:34 Yanroy: OM? Jul 26 04:38:06 huh? Jul 26 04:38:13 /usr/share/applications Jul 26 04:38:18 ah Jul 26 04:38:40 also, has anyone else noticed that the dash character on the matchbox keyboard prints a backslash when you click it? Jul 26 04:38:42 that's a problem... Jul 26 04:39:00 hyphen? Jul 26 04:39:07 Yanroy: It would do that to me a lot so I would reboot and it would fix it. Jul 26 04:39:14 Centaur5: really? Jul 26 04:39:16 right Jul 26 04:39:16 weird... Jul 26 04:39:22 * Chocky maks the USB networking page for real Jul 26 04:39:24 hooray! Jul 26 04:41:06 Where is the SMS app in ASU? Jul 26 04:41:32 I should update the usb networking for osx page later, I didn't find the ethernet gadget patch worked. Jul 26 04:41:35 On leopard. Jul 26 04:42:31 The AJZaurusUSB driver for Leopard works fine though. Jul 26 04:42:48 * undrwater hands Chocky a virtual beer Jul 26 04:42:57 och. Jul 26 04:43:07 it's free...as in beer Jul 26 04:43:12 or something like that ;) Jul 26 04:44:13 Does anyone have gcc installed on the FR from opkg? Jul 26 04:44:32 when I tried to install it it didn't do anything, is cross compiling the only option? Jul 26 04:45:08 where'd you get yours? Jul 26 04:45:14 virtual fridge Jul 26 04:45:35 gah, now some letters won't type in uppercase Jul 26 04:45:47 how do bugs like this happen? seems like shoddy software more than in-development software Jul 26 04:45:58 SpeedEvil: Jul 26 04:46:35 Yanroy: Like I said, I just kept rebooting to fix it. Jul 26 04:46:36 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc Jul 26 04:46:46 Yanroy: Hasn't happened for a while though actually. Jul 26 04:47:03 safiiru: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc Jul 26 04:47:09 that's the command Jul 26 04:47:15 underwater: Oh, is that the correct package name to intstall? I imagine it has tons of dependancies. Jul 26 04:47:25 not to mention dependencies Jul 26 04:47:50 underwater: I'll give that a shot, I would like to try and compile rubygems to go with my ruby interpreter. Jul 26 04:48:26 safiiru: i used the rabenfrost feed... Jul 26 04:48:33 do you have that conf? Jul 26 04:48:45 no sir, not if I had to add it manually. Jul 26 04:49:09 Where can I add more repositories to opkg to add that one? And what is the url?? Jul 26 04:49:20 Yanroy: When you were running the ASU did you see the SMS app? Jul 26 04:49:21 safiiru: do a search for it...if you can't find it, let me know Jul 26 04:49:30 undrwater: Ok, thanks :) Jul 26 04:50:24 undrwater: Sorry I'm a bit behind you guys likely, I just got the FR a few days ago, going by the docs on the net I haven't discovered a lot of things yet. Jul 26 04:51:12 we're in the same boat....just don't sleep and lurk here for a while Jul 26 04:53:17 openmoko: 03zecke * r0ec59b807cb3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [gsm/ti calypso] Add an option to ignore the result of ATD completely Jul 26 04:58:06 * Chocky fails to correctly follow his own instructions for networking :o Jul 26 04:58:08 oops. Jul 26 04:58:34 i:m trying to post something on gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community but it does not seem to be showing up. Jul 26 04:58:41 * undrwater breaks Chocky's virtual beer bottle Jul 26 04:58:54 the instructions were correct, just user error. Jul 26 04:58:56 Yanroy: Sorry for the question about SMS after I enabled scrolling I just didn't realize you had to go horizontally as well. Jul 26 04:59:47 I even did the email reply for confirmation and waited 10 minutes. Jul 26 04:59:53 there's a horizontal scroll? sweet Jul 26 05:00:32 i missed that too Centaur5 Jul 26 05:00:39 undrwater: No, I'm not a big fan actually. Jul 26 05:00:53 oh Jul 26 05:01:37 well it splits the scrolling in categories then you have to scroll horizontally in the little category. Too time consuming to get to an app. Jul 26 05:02:09 yikes...yeah Jul 26 05:03:04 So, I've heard that the hardware for the freerunner is open source as well as the software, but I can't find it anywhere. I've seen the case, but I'm more interested in the guts. Jul 26 05:03:13 Not yet. Jul 26 05:03:14 not yet. Jul 26 05:03:22 only the CAD for the case Jul 26 05:03:27 There have been reports that schematics may be around soon. Jul 26 05:03:33 very cool. Jul 26 05:05:05 and status of 3G support in the future? Jul 26 05:05:26 Not yet. Jul 26 05:05:40 3G is complex unfortunately. Jul 26 05:05:47 it isn't on the freerunner, will the next phone have it? Jul 26 05:06:00 or is that up for debate with the devs still? Jul 26 05:06:02 No. Jul 26 05:06:09 Maybe the one after that. Jul 26 05:06:16 oh wow. Jul 26 05:06:17 It's of course really wanted. Jul 26 05:06:27 But there are major problems. Jul 26 05:06:40 how do ppl use 3g? Jul 26 05:06:55 <--totally ignorant of 3g uses Jul 26 05:07:06 An open, small, low-power chipset, which is available in tiny quantities is hard to find. Jul 26 05:07:08 All I know about it is that it's faster, but most things I'll be using on a phone probably don't need the extra boost. Jul 26 05:07:11 ^cheap Jul 26 05:07:43 (where tiny quantities are low thousands) Jul 26 05:07:58 ead: math heavy? Jul 26 05:09:06 anyone here dual booting qtopia? Jul 26 05:10:28 hey speedy Jul 26 05:10:44 wanted to ask ya about the cap mod Jul 26 05:10:59 does it make a big difference Jul 26 05:11:11 ubuntu & the networkmanager project are working on wwlan and 3g card compatibility currently, i wonder how they are doing it Jul 26 05:12:33 i looked at the cap mod picture and was instantly reminded of how small the smd was tnaging Sta Jul 26 05:12:50 that i removed to unlock my ham radio to tx on all freq's Jul 26 05:13:15 is there an ir transmitter on the freerunner? if so, can it be used to replace my TV remote Con? Jul 26 05:13:36 bet you could mod the aux light Jul 26 05:13:58 aux light...is that the power indictator? Jul 26 05:14:11 the red button at the top right Jul 26 05:14:47 hmmm...dont think thats gonna work. Jul 26 05:15:02 ieatlint has a neat lil python script that lets you tinker with the leds http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/ Jul 26 05:15:19 whynot? Jul 26 05:16:13 undrwater: I added the celtune-rabenfrost.conf to /etc/opkg but that doesn't allow me to install the package arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc. Jul 26 05:16:59 doesnt ir have to be infra red...I mean...is a regular red led gonna do the trick? Jul 26 05:17:32 safiiru: opkg install g++ or opkg install gcc Jul 26 05:17:58 i don't think led will work with IR Jul 26 05:19:08 reread what i said Jul 26 05:19:15 MOD THE AUX LED Jul 26 05:19:38 example REMOVE RED LED; INSERT IR LED Jul 26 05:19:45 got it!! :D Jul 26 05:19:53 just before you said it ;) Jul 26 05:19:57 oh..... Jul 26 05:19:59 yeah right!! Jul 26 05:20:04 underwater: Ok It seems I had to uninstall the g++ (stub) I had installed earlier from the default opkg repos and then do it again. Jul 26 05:20:09 is that circuit capable of putting out enough current to power an IR LED enough to actually control something from any distance? Jul 26 05:20:18 also, do we know if the plastic button blocks IR (I bet it does) Jul 26 05:20:35 then find a new control/power source Jul 26 05:20:40 gpio? Jul 26 05:20:47 [light bulb appears above slurpster's head] Jul 26 05:20:47 there's gpio on this thing? Jul 26 05:21:02 theres gotta be an extra gpio somewhere on it Jul 26 05:21:04 maybe I should buy a debug board... Jul 26 05:21:32 I've been thinking that the FR is basically the ultimate robot controller... you can drive you creations anywhere in the world, as long as there's a GSM signal... Jul 26 05:21:33 Yanroy i don't think the power is the issue, i think you won't be able to pulse it at the right freq. most IR is on a freq at something like 38khz IIRC Jul 26 05:21:34 Yanroy: i'm not aware of any handheld device (besides remote) that has an IR powerful enough to control media device from typical distance...u know different? Jul 26 05:21:49 undrwater: a friend of mine used to do it with his palmpilot Jul 26 05:21:52 for ir remote controls i mean Jul 26 05:22:04 all the palms i Jul 26 05:22:12 I've had only work at like 2 feet Jul 26 05:22:25 buy a nija mote Jul 26 05:22:27 in terms of hardware, is it as simple pulling out an LED and replacing it? Jul 26 05:22:28 right...so, it'd be the same Jul 26 05:22:29 ninjamote Jul 26 05:22:34 although, there are some more powerful. Jul 26 05:22:34 peepsalot: you're right, btw... usually between 36 and 40khz. 38 is very popular because it's basically absent in ambient light Jul 26 05:22:46 good evening. Anyone around? Jul 26 05:22:53 got mine freerunner :-) opkg is wonderful. Jul 26 05:22:54 just us bots Jul 26 05:23:00 http://www.ninjaremote.com/ Jul 26 05:23:11 mmmm...ninjas....fun fun. Jul 26 05:23:27 hmmm...obuild? Jul 26 05:23:28 so I was wondering if I can pop out my AT&T SIM card from my iPhone and put it in an OpenMoko phone? Jul 26 05:23:38 slango: heh, heh ;) Jul 26 05:23:40 slango: yes, you can Jul 26 05:23:44 Yanroy i thin the best bet for attempting IR remote control would be to tap into the headphone out. maybe a little siwtch could be added to switch modes, headphone or remote Jul 26 05:23:44 (and have it work, of course) Jul 26 05:23:54 anybody getting problems with wlan? Jul 26 05:23:55 that's a different expectation Jul 26 05:24:11 slango: who's your service provider? Jul 26 05:24:18 slango: if you have a SIM that works with the FR, you should be all set... unfortunately, not all AT&T SIMs work Jul 26 05:24:24 i've seen a page were some hacked ipods were doing this sort of thing, IRs hooked to headphone Jul 26 05:24:41 I got lucky and the first one I tried worked... one of my friends tried 2 and the second one worked, another friend tried 6 and none worked so he got tmobile :P Jul 26 05:24:49 dunno how you're going to drive 36khz light from a 48k sampling rate DAC. Jul 26 05:24:54 I'm not ready to ditch the iPhone for OpenMoko just yet (after all, I just got the iPhone today) but I also just became an AT&T customer, so this would be my first opportunity to use the freerunner/openmoko Jul 26 05:25:15 you don't have to dump it at all...just pop the sim in the phone Jul 26 05:25:18 but I think I might like to get the OpenMoko to play with and maybe even develop for Jul 26 05:25:20 try it out Jul 26 05:25:21 slango: the openmoko is also not ready for you to ditch the iphone (sadly) Jul 26 05:25:51 hey....is it afternoon for anyone here? Jul 26 05:26:02 speaking of which, how do I set the timezone on the clock? Jul 26 05:26:07 Sat Jul 26 01:36:51 EDT 2008 Jul 26 05:26:10 welcome back...how was your eLunch? Jul 26 05:26:21 Yanroy, no way of telling before I get the phone whether or not my card will work with FR? Jul 26 05:26:32 slango: there's a wiki page... lemme see if I can dig it up Jul 26 05:26:41 slango: do you have the sim card? Jul 26 05:26:59 find out what freq your service provider uses Jul 26 05:27:09 gmaxwell, not sure, but the ipod did it somehow. though i don't know what sampling rate it uses Jul 26 05:27:19 ATT is OK on some cards Jul 26 05:27:19 tasty...had chinese food..but was a real lunch...dropped the e Jul 26 05:27:34 undrwater, it's in the phone Jul 26 05:27:44 slango: check you card against the tables on this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT Jul 26 05:27:46 oh cool, ruby has a dbus lib Jul 26 05:27:47 maybe IR receivers have hight tolerances Jul 26 05:28:28 does anyone know if it a freerunner will work in taiwan? Jul 26 05:28:47 is the 48k frequency the maximum that it can reproduce, or is it actually the sampling frequency (in which case it can only reproduce 24khz)? Jul 26 05:29:35 is there a convient way to determine who the network carrier is for a given sim card? Jul 26 05:29:42 http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml Jul 26 05:29:48 slurpster: Jul 26 05:30:43 a lot of ttaiwan providers use 3g it seems Jul 26 05:30:50 good night all Jul 26 05:30:55 thanks for your help Jul 26 05:31:34 Yanroy: Did you check this out for the keyboard? http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td580493 Jul 26 05:31:44 hmmmm....it seems that taiwan mobile...my provider...only does GSM1800 and 3G 2100 Jul 26 05:31:44 Yanroy: I'll let you know how it goes. Jul 26 05:32:29 neither of these are compatable with FreeRunner are they? Jul 26 05:33:56 hellow? am i still connected? Jul 26 05:34:46 hellow? Jul 26 05:35:11 slurpster has disconnected. Jul 26 05:36:37 are GSM1800 and 3G 2100 supported by the free runner? Jul 26 05:36:39 i cant hear you. you must have disconnected Jul 26 05:36:51 not 3g Jul 26 05:37:15 1800, yes Jul 26 05:37:30 1800/1900 all FR, 850/900 on alternate models Jul 26 05:37:32 gmaxwell, works from 44khz recordings apparently: http://www.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control-1/ Jul 26 05:37:47 EXCELLENT!! thats great news. Jul 26 05:40:48 Sounds like it's not a simple IR LED. Jul 26 05:41:18 SpeedEvil, i think you're right. it's TWO simple IR LEDs Jul 26 05:41:22 :-P Jul 26 05:42:22 * kd8ikt jams bread into his freerunner... wtf it wont toast my bread either? Jul 26 05:42:41 kd8ikt: you didn't use the right slot Jul 26 05:44:14 maybe a resistor for good measure Jul 26 05:44:33 peepsalot: if the device does not modulate the IR LEDs itself, then I can state with absolute certainty (as I've tried it) that the receivers of most stuff utterly does not respond if there is no 38KHz carrier. Jul 26 05:45:03 ah, the joys of IR Jul 26 05:45:07 off to bed. Jul 26 05:45:07 peepsalot: and you cannot reproduce a 38KHz carrier with a 44KHz DAC, as there is a 19KHz or so filter in the way. Jul 26 05:45:34 but maybe it's approximated enough that the receivers accept it? Jul 26 05:45:48 * kd8ikt is actually digging through the ar6k kernel patch wondering what it'll take to hack the bugger for raw/monitor/inject mode if at all possible Jul 26 05:46:06 There is nyquist that makes it impossible to produce sounds above 22khz without aliasing. Jul 26 05:46:17 on 44hkz dac. Jul 26 05:46:19 oops...didn:t mean to cause such a stir with the question about IR. Jul 26 05:46:35 peepsalot: the reciever modules in stuff is narrowly tuned,. They simply don't respond out past +-1KHz or so of their design center frequency. Jul 26 05:47:19 peepsalot: this is by design, as there is lots of IR interference - primarily CF lights - that has to be rejected. Jul 26 05:47:36 does anyone know if anyone is working in the openmoko office today? Jul 26 05:47:43 http://youtube.com/watch?v=24Bubq11mR8 Jul 26 05:47:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07bitbake-om * r61d27fa76f75 10/lib/bb/fetch/cvs.py: [cvs] Allow to checkout by date and time Jul 26 05:48:06 so that's why the phone is $400 Jul 26 05:48:52 The phone is $400 as it's in tiny volume. Jul 26 05:50:00 speedevil: tiny volume? how many do they make per batch? Jul 26 05:50:18 nokia builds runs of a hundred thousand or more. Jul 26 05:50:22 SpeedEvil, slurpster not as many as apple makes iPhones, I can tell you that Jul 26 05:50:43 I guess that freerunner did maybe an initial run of 1000. Jul 26 05:51:00 speedevil, i know nyquist won't let it above a pure frequency of 22khz, but maybe 38khz could be a harmonic of what's coming out? Jul 26 05:51:16 SpeedEvil, do you happen to know if there are any plans for a 3G model? Jul 26 05:51:24 i mean, it would be able to hit some of the peaks, and some of the troughs, but would miss a few in between, maybe onn average it's matching closely to be acceptable?. Jul 26 05:51:24 slango; not soon. Jul 26 05:51:32 1k...thats it? why not more...they know its gonna sell out. Jul 26 05:51:53 slurpster, I'd say it's a pretty risky investment Jul 26 05:52:34 yeah...i understand...but the website perpetually says *SOLD OUT* Jul 26 05:53:00 that's just to hype it Jul 26 05:53:07 slurpster: for example - due to volume and other things, the Iphone 3G is probably under $100 cost price. Jul 26 05:53:13 look what those two little words have done for the iPhone and the Nintendo Wii Jul 26 05:53:20 slurpster: according to various industry sites. Jul 26 05:54:01 peepsalot: A signal will always fold to the lowest the nyquist allows. Jul 26 05:54:04 but if they do a batch of 10k it would make it cheaper,wouldn:t it? Jul 26 05:54:19 A bit, yes. Jul 26 05:54:30 That's an investment of several million though. Jul 26 05:54:55 oops...I forgot..storing it until the orders come in costs money too. Jul 26 05:55:07 slurpster, just trust the free market Jul 26 05:55:15 SpeedEvil: It will not present as a harmonic (x2) if itself. Jul 26 05:55:17 it always works itself out. Jul 26 05:55:19 If it doesn't sell, due to hardware problems, forex. Jul 26 05:55:58 slurpster: no, that's not an issue. Consider if the GPS problem had been slightly different and not work-roundable. Jul 26 05:56:11 slurpster: then they would have 10K phones without GPS. Jul 26 05:56:23 ouch Jul 26 05:57:08 true enuf. I guess they need to minimize risk; not price. If you want a free runner...you:re probably willing to pay a premium for something that works. Jul 26 05:57:46 That said - order 10K and I'm sure you'd get a substantial price-break. Jul 26 05:58:58 What is the gps problem, do you mean the sdcard interference one? I thought a kernel patch helped with that.. Jul 26 05:59:19 safiiru, he was just giving an example Jul 26 05:59:23 ah Jul 26 05:59:35 safiiru: yes - it does Jul 26 05:59:53 safiiru: it could have been not workaroundable in software or easy hardware. Jul 26 06:00:30 safiiru: and all the first batch of phones could have ended up without functional GPS at other than really high signal levels as found in the test rig. Jul 26 06:00:51 Right, I just read back what you said a bit closer. Jul 26 06:00:57 Hypothetically. Jul 26 06:03:06 hello joerg_rw Jul 26 06:03:58 hmm... which uImage do i need for ASU? Jul 26 06:06:32 ...latest.bin or the 2.6.24...get...bin? Jul 26 06:06:39 get/git* Jul 26 06:06:48 ? Jul 26 06:07:54 i just rewrote wpa_cli and dropped off a full third of its size! Jul 26 06:08:05 all the way from 26.8k to 18.1k... Jul 26 06:09:08 i cross compiled my first app: "tree" Jul 26 06:09:23 its only one .c file Jul 26 06:10:29 i could do a number of extra things if i port lint-wifi to c Jul 26 06:10:42 might be able to in python, but it already feels bloated and a mess Jul 26 06:11:41 how hard would it be to port Jul 26 06:11:53 i guess there is now magic auto port app eh? Jul 26 06:11:58 no* Jul 26 06:12:55 pyc try compiling her Jul 26 06:12:58 it'd be a bit of effort, i don't even have a toolchain that i can build gtk on Jul 26 06:14:50 Hello guys.. Which package provides mkfs.vfat? The Booting_from_SD wiki page seems to point to ncurses package instead for some reason. Jul 26 06:16:16 zandini: On gentoo it's dosfsutils I think Jul 26 06:16:24 zandini: i think there's a 3rd party repo for dosfstools Jul 26 06:16:56 hmm. Is there one for open moko? Jul 26 06:16:59 ieatlint: has a copy somewhere Jul 26 06:17:22 zandini: there was just a post on the community list... Jul 26 06:17:33 i was told that my copy produced an error message when you actually try to perform an action Jul 26 06:17:36 zandini: are you attempting to do dual boot? Jul 26 06:17:40 undrwater, okay. I will try to find it. Jul 26 06:18:00 undrwater, yeah. I guess trying to boot from SD card counts as dual boot :-) Jul 26 06:18:32 zandini: apparently vfat is no longer necessary...i'm looking for the details myself Jul 26 06:18:47 oh? Jul 26 06:19:05 hey lint Jul 26 06:19:08 yes... Jul 26 06:19:24 i'm trying to figure out where to put uimage Jul 26 06:19:29 i just compiled lint-wifi.py into lint-wifi.pyo Jul 26 06:19:30 ummm...uImage Jul 26 06:19:46 SpeedEvil, if there is more to it than just LEDs, what do you think it requires? Jul 26 06:19:46 its now a bin and running on my moko Jul 26 06:20:09 zandini: maybe an update of uboot....but i'm not sure yet if that's done through opkg Jul 26 06:20:19 i'm really interested in trying to do IR with openmoko, had this idea in my head forever Jul 26 06:20:19 hmmm. mokomakefile is still running Jul 26 06:20:28 didn't expect that Jul 26 06:20:35 I found a practical use for the laser pointer on the stylus Jul 26 06:20:38 undrwater, I don't think you can update uBoot via opkg. Jul 26 06:20:40 tormenting my pet beagle Jul 26 06:20:50 hehe, oh i was gonna guess cat Jul 26 06:21:04 peepsalot: there are usb ir sending devices... Jul 26 06:21:06 peepsalot, I think its a great idea too. Jul 26 06:21:20 What is the trick to backspacing with the ASU keyboard? Jul 26 06:21:37 dunno if it makes a difference Jul 26 06:21:53 are there any HW design guys here? Can we suggest putting an ir in the next generation of HW? Jul 26 06:22:28 maybe the device takes advantage of the stereo-ness of the signal coming to it somehow. and the two LEDs are out of phase somewhat Jul 26 06:22:49 zandini: you can also add an entry in uboot menu to allow ext2/3 Jul 26 06:23:47 undrwater, oh I really? Jul 26 06:23:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Step_3:_Add_uboot_boot_entry Jul 26 06:24:00 damn i forgot to use -j2 Jul 26 06:24:40 now that I think of it, even if we add an ir transmitter, does the kernel support it? Jul 26 06:25:08 Is there any news regarding a third version of the openmoko? I was really hoping for quadband... Jul 26 06:25:15 Wouldnt that depend on the ir transmitter? Jul 26 06:25:59 undrwater, it seems that it is for fat + ext2 / ext3.. So I still need fat formatted partition 1. Jul 26 06:26:08 let me rephrase....is there kernel support for any kind of IR transmitter? Jul 26 06:26:55 slurpster: I don't know what kernel you're using, but if there isn't would it be that difficult to port it over from the linux mainline? Jul 26 06:26:57 zandini: Some versions of u-boot (including the one shipped on the first batch of Freerunners) may not work properly for booting from SD card. Daily images on buildhost with a timestamp of "20080723" or newer should be OK. Jul 26 06:27:39 slurpster, i think most regular ir emitters hook up over rs232 serial. i don't think openmoko has a serial port to use for that though. Jul 26 06:27:50 so the kernel only needs serial support AFAIK Jul 26 06:28:09 undrwater, I hope that mine works.. I do see an option in uBoot menu for fat+ext2 boot from sd card. I am just trying to prep the sd card for booting. Jul 26 06:28:28 undrwater, I don't have a micro sd card reader, so I was trying to prep it via freerunner itself. Jul 26 06:28:33 zandini: i recommend some research first Jul 26 06:28:46 i've gone through all the previous options...without success Jul 26 06:28:57 hmm...that right...i forgot its RS232....currently, what are all the serial ports being used for? how many are there? Jul 26 06:28:58 i'm thinking an update of uboot is in order Jul 26 06:29:07 or audio if someone knew how to get the signals working that route. it's obviously possible(see the ipod example) i just don't know how exactly the method it uses to work Jul 26 06:29:11 oh really? :-( that's not encouraging... Jul 26 06:29:28 I would hate to update uBoot since it is one thing that can really brick the device. Jul 26 06:29:31 zandini: shouldn't be too difficult.... Jul 26 06:29:53 * undrwater is DUI, so waiting for tomorrow to do it Jul 26 06:29:58 yeah I hope so. Jul 26 06:30:14 xD good luck. Jul 26 06:30:35 thanks ;) Jul 26 06:43:07 zandini: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Flashing_the_bootloader Jul 26 06:45:57 undrwater, does dfu-util work under dfu-util? Jul 26 06:46:27 zandini: umm....can you repeat that?? Jul 26 06:46:28 undrwater, Well, at least I found the vfat package after some searching as you suggested. http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg00522.html Jul 26 06:46:39 undrwater, I am going to try fat+ext2 first and see if it boots. Jul 26 06:47:06 zandini: good luck...i will update my uboot tomorrow Jul 26 06:47:14 well, apparently the projects section of openmoko be screwed Jul 26 06:47:15 then try ext2 Jul 26 06:47:22 or 3 Jul 26 06:47:33 ok, so you take the inputs from each channel, run through a diode bridge to charge a cap that drives an oscillator operating at 36khz Jul 26 06:47:57 peepsalot: still talking about IR? Jul 26 06:48:23 I can't stop! :-0 Jul 26 06:48:32 peepsalot: keep it up!! :D Jul 26 06:48:58 yeah, unfortunately i suck at circuit design, so not sure if that scenario would work Jul 26 06:49:03 * undrwater wishes his zaurus would provide enough power to control media Jul 26 06:49:44 (via IR) Jul 26 06:52:01 http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2008/07/qt-4-maemo-the-new-experience/ Jul 26 06:55:12 CVirus, wow. Does this mean than Maemo will move to QT? Jul 26 06:55:36 zandini: maybe .. but not too soon though Jul 26 06:55:37 No, they will have Qt on the Maemo devices, in addition to Maemo Jul 26 06:55:45 ah I see. Jul 26 06:55:51 in addition to GKT you mean Jul 26 06:56:06 yes, and Hildon Jul 26 06:56:30 shuttleworth wants to migrate Gnome to QT too Jul 26 06:56:30 a bit like openmoko is doing with qtopia and EFL Jul 26 06:56:32 GTK is dead Jul 26 06:56:40 do it up! Jul 26 06:56:51 i would love to see that! Jul 26 06:57:08 really? Jul 26 06:57:43 no. actually. I would love to see gimp move to Qt though. Jul 26 06:58:33 or parallel? qt gtk Jul 26 06:59:25 lpotter: while you're here...any more TT dev on zaurus devices? Jul 26 07:00:29 lpotter: hey Jul 26 07:00:49 one guy does. keeps the c3200 device configuration going, so that would work on a lot of them Jul 26 07:02:25 lpotter: how can i switch off the automatic word recognition in sms/notice block and so on. i try to use the handwriting tool .. Jul 26 07:05:56 undrwater, well, I am about to reboot to see if it worked. wish me luck. :-) Jul 26 07:06:17 malik1972: not sure if there is a way Jul 26 07:06:26 good luck...and if it did..please detail what you did Jul 26 07:06:33 *does Jul 26 07:06:34 might try moving the dictionary, but that might make it crash Jul 26 07:07:24 :-( nope. It did read the kernel from SD Card, but I got "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" Jul 26 07:07:59 lpotter: any way to import adressbook vcf, and ics files? Jul 26 07:08:29 bluetooth. or scp them to Documents or the sd card and click on the file in the Documents view Jul 26 07:09:37 hmm. It seems that somehow the kernel may not have been rebuilt with ext2 support.. Jul 26 07:12:20 lpotter: which application or daemon uses the sd card by default, i cant umount it Jul 26 07:15:17 for those who are interested... http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/lint-wifi/lint-wifi-0.3a.tar.bz2 ... not much has changed in the actual script (like 2 bug fixes and a little code cleanup), but it now runs my own interface to wpa_supplicant Jul 26 07:15:55 qtopia keeps the database open. I will look into fixing that Jul 26 07:15:57 it expects wpa_lint to be /home/root/wpa_lint, which you can change if you take a look at the top of the py file Jul 26 07:16:02 zandini: i think that's why we need to update uboot Jul 26 07:16:33 and i go make some dinner now Jul 26 07:16:41 undrwater, yeah. That will make it easier. Jul 26 07:16:45 ieatlint: eat well Jul 26 07:17:16 zandini: otherwise change uboot's options Jul 26 07:17:31 an led powered directly off a 55 astable circuit, powered by a capacitor, connected to a full wave rectifier Jul 26 07:17:40 555 Jul 26 07:17:43 this is my plan Jul 26 07:19:44 why is opkg update giving me "* Could not obtain administrative lock"? Jul 26 07:21:07 ozzloy: i just ran into the same issue Jul 26 07:21:30 thanc lpotter Jul 26 07:21:47 thanks lpotter! Jul 26 07:23:05 i must await the oven's preheation Jul 26 07:24:06 lol.. preheation Jul 26 07:24:46 rebooting seems to have fixed the administrative lock issue Jul 26 07:24:51 "fixed" Jul 26 07:25:21 you shan't have fun with my english! Jul 26 07:25:30 yeah i didnt see crap in /var/lock (?) Jul 26 07:25:55 what is the name of the agpsui package? Jul 26 07:26:06 openmoko-agpsui Jul 26 07:26:14 opkg install agpsui gives return value: 2. Jul 26 07:26:19 ah Jul 26 07:26:33 kd8ikt: thanks Jul 26 07:26:43 anyone else seeing a weird `netstat -al|grep tcp` Jul 26 07:26:51 are there any open bugs for the modules screen on asu? Jul 26 07:27:05 tcp 0 0 ::%3203631868:4711 ::%248:* LISTEN Jul 26 07:27:14 that looks liek a phone numer Jul 26 07:27:16 interesting Jul 26 07:27:45 maybe our mokos are part of a botnet now :0 Jul 26 07:28:46 tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4711 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Jul 26 07:29:49 * swc|666 nmaps his FR Jul 26 07:30:59 i dont have the listening port Jul 26 07:31:26 Anyone wouldnt happen to know when the 900 sale will start again? I have 3690$ ready! Jul 26 07:31:26 not 4711 @ least.. Jul 26 07:31:58 good morning Jul 26 07:33:21 22/tcp open ssh Dropbear sshd 0.51 (protocol 2.0) Jul 26 07:33:21 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000) Jul 26 07:33:21 6000/tcp open X11 (access denied) Jul 26 07:35:19 data_jepp, i have 399$ ready, and no, no idea :( Jul 26 07:35:48 probably not on saturday or sunday (weekend...), so maybe monday? Jul 26 07:35:57 its 26th and im sick of waiting. Hope so. Jul 26 07:37:23 i think the application menu needs more "dead zone" for determining whether or not the user is moving the menu. it seems to misinterpret clicks as drags Jul 26 07:37:36 especially using finger instead of stylus Jul 26 07:37:46 peepsalot: that's funny, i get the opposite Jul 26 07:38:25 you mean it doesn't drag when you want it to? Jul 26 07:38:30 kd8ikt, it could be a unix socket... not sure if netstat reports them Jul 26 07:40:01 the dragging works fine for me, besides being a bit slow. it's just that i click to open something and a lot of the time it doesn't do anything. Jul 26 07:42:22 anyone know where the code or config file to change this exists? Jul 26 07:44:43 OK...bed time...night all Jul 26 08:01:06 dunno Jul 26 08:02:22 transfat tastes fantastic Jul 26 08:02:45 hmmm, gps still wont do, do i need to install a asu image instead of just a new kernel? Jul 26 08:03:23 your gps isn't working? Jul 26 08:05:47 ieatlint: noppe Jul 26 08:06:04 as in, no lock, or no data from the gps at all? Jul 26 08:06:14 no lock Jul 26 08:06:27 its trying since 8 minutes now Jul 26 08:06:31 ah, well, i somehow think i have nothing new to tell you then Jul 26 08:12:34 why am i having such hell with wifi Jul 26 08:13:21 because god hates you Jul 26 08:13:41 because i touch myself at night? Jul 26 08:15:45 where is the kernel config file source that is used to generate gta02 kernel? Jul 26 08:16:13 I tried changing /openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig-oe and /openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko/defconfig-2.6.22.5, but they don't seem to affect it. Jul 26 08:22:30 zandini: its in git Jul 26 08:22:52 re Jul 26 08:23:07 XorA|gone, I got my environment set up using Mokomake. Where in my source tree is it? There are so many kernels in openembedded directories.. Jul 26 08:23:42 zandini: the kernel defconfig is stored in the kernel git tree, its not in OE Jul 26 08:24:29 XorA|gone, oh. so it is fetched everytime I do "make build-package-linux-openmoko" command? Jul 26 08:26:23 XorA|gone, Actually. I think I see what you mean.. I see that as part of the build, it unpacks it from /moko/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git Jul 26 08:27:40 XorA|gone, if that's the case, how would I change kernel configuration for my build? Is there a way to override it? I am just trying to change EXT2_FS from m to y Jul 26 08:28:03 ok, gps is fail, it tried since 30 minutes now Jul 26 08:28:15 zandini: you would need to change the recipe to edit/copy a new file in before configure Jul 26 08:37:55 anyone have GPRS working on the FreeRunner (with t-mobile us)? Jul 26 08:43:03 XorA|gone, I think that might have worked. Thanks! Jul 26 08:51:57 Hmm... What files is it that i need to be grab to keep my phonebook intact in Qtopia? Jul 26 09:02:08 oO Jul 26 09:02:25 wth ? today my opkg upgrade runs the same updates as yesterday ?! Jul 26 09:04:27 btw, why the heck doesnt the bluetooth icon trun blue if i enable it ;P Jul 26 09:05:57 hmmk, where to get the latest imaes? Jul 26 09:07:16 hmk, opkg upgrade fails Jul 26 09:08:42 where is the howto for installing a new fs image on the handy? Jul 26 09:09:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 26 09:09:21 bitbake is confusing the shit out of me Jul 26 09:09:40 ronny: also, 'getting stasrted with you freerunner' Jul 26 09:10:32 ronny: Also, randomly, they're only called "handy" in German-speaking countries, however English-sounding the word is ;) In English, it's phone or handset :) Jul 26 09:12:35 ops Jul 26 09:12:43 now i have projects/openmoko/openmoko and projects/openmoko/openembedded and projects/openembedded/openmoko and projects/openembedded/openembedded Jul 26 09:12:52 * Fossi confuses self Jul 26 09:13:16 ronny: Hey, live to learn or how is it that one goes :) Jul 26 09:13:37 sometimes om2007.2 is refered to as 'openembedded' and then again, it's called openmoko and asu or fso is the other Jul 26 09:24:10 hello everyone ! Jul 26 09:26:17 llo Jul 26 09:28:09 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80357/ <- which device of those is my handy? Jul 26 09:29:07 eh phone Jul 26 09:30:17 anyone? Jul 26 09:30:53 god i hate it :( Jul 26 09:33:03 ronny: stupid way to solve it: unplug all other usb devices? Jul 26 09:34:08 Zorkman: there arent any other external usb devices, but i figured it by the vendor naming Jul 26 09:34:08 or just the phone, and see which of those two disappear Jul 26 09:34:37 uboot su... Jul 26 09:43:16 uaargh Jul 26 09:43:24 aaargh. Jul 26 09:43:35 god.. damn... crosscompiling Jul 26 09:43:44 X( Jul 26 09:43:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS is _so_ not about the freerunner, but only the gta01... Jul 26 09:43:56 damn them Jul 26 09:44:12 Yes, I know. When I wrote that it was accurate. Jul 26 09:44:15 i just want to store almanac and ephemeris between gps sessions... Jul 26 09:44:18 And I have no freerunner. Jul 26 09:44:23 package name for a terminal in ASU? Jul 26 09:44:28 Mail me one, and I'll update it. Jul 26 09:44:33 did anyone succeeded using multiboot system with the new uboot on the freerunner? Jul 26 09:44:50 SpeedEvil: sorry, my bank account won't take it Jul 26 09:45:20 SpeedEvil: but if you had some trial software to save/restore almanac/ephemeris, i'd be happy to test it Jul 26 09:45:48 also, http://www.u-blox.com/products/atr0635.html tells about waas/egnos support Jul 26 09:46:01 oh great, i updated the firmware, now sshing to the phone is broken Jul 26 09:46:13 SpeedEvil, did my screenprotector ship already? =) Jul 26 09:46:23 does that mean it can do it standalone, or would it need extra rf receivers and/or other stuff? Jul 26 09:46:29 hello Jul 26 09:46:42 phr3ak: should have shipped a few days ago, I'll get confirmation tonight Jul 26 09:46:44 ronny: usb console? Jul 26 09:46:48 phro: Jul 26 09:46:56 ok, just curious Jul 26 09:47:06 i'll get it sooner than the freerunner anyways Jul 26 09:47:12 i have a problem with usb networking Jul 26 09:48:51 i get an error message when typing in "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" Jul 26 09:50:05 is the resolution of the touch input the same as the display output? Jul 26 09:50:42 acsess denied or something Jul 26 09:51:00 Wonka: fixed it Jul 26 09:51:27 do any of you now what to do Jul 26 09:52:56 pazante: log in as root ? Jul 26 09:53:07 (or sudo su) Jul 26 09:53:46 i have log in as root will try sudo su Jul 26 09:54:54 same respons with sudo su Jul 26 09:55:12 pazante: btw: i type echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward (notice the quotes, no idea if it makes a difference though) Jul 26 09:56:20 Zorkman: a) quotes don't make a difference there b) do you do that as root? Jul 26 09:57:05 hmm, i wonder how difficult it would be to use the touchscreen as a tablet input for a desktop machine, over USB or bluetooth. mainly for drawing things Jul 26 09:57:20 as wonka says no difference Jul 26 09:57:53 Wonka: yes I do it as root, is this stupid? Jul 26 09:58:44 pazante: probably an equally stupid idea: have you tried nano /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? Jul 26 09:59:03 nope will try Jul 26 09:59:10 can someone summarise this 'glamo' issue that I keep reading about. There's plenty of pages about how it's being worked around, why it happened, and suchlike. But nothing that I can see about what the actual problem is :-) Jul 26 10:00:03 bagpuss_thecat: the SD card and the glamo chip both use the same buss Jul 26 10:00:15 aaah, bus contention? Jul 26 10:00:44 is it affecting performance all the time, or just when SD transfers are in progress? Jul 26 10:01:16 ASIK only when buss transfers are in progress (like when playing a video from the SD card) Jul 26 10:01:37 coo, thanks :-) Jul 26 10:01:41 s/coo/cool/ Jul 26 10:01:41 bagpuss_thecat meant: cool, thanks :-) Jul 26 10:01:51 :) Jul 26 10:02:21 Zorkman, behold the "proper" way to do that "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" Jul 26 10:03:13 ieatlint: thanks for the info, i'll look into that sysctl command right away Jul 26 10:03:29 Hi, Jul 26 10:03:44 Using OM2007.2, with the matchbox keyboard Jul 26 10:03:55 Zorkman, take a look at /etc/sysctl.conf while you're at it ;) Jul 26 10:03:57 (and thanks for not giving up on the total noob i am) Jul 26 10:04:12 sometimes it goes crazy and some keys do not behave correctly anymore Jul 26 10:04:13 Zorkman: no, that's even required Jul 26 10:04:16 heh, it's not noob to echo stuff into sys Jul 26 10:04:29 everyone does it... figured i'd just introduce you to a proper command for it :P Jul 26 10:04:58 i'll update the wiki then also? Jul 26 10:05:12 damn. fso build broke Jul 26 10:05:52 McKael: i've seen that too - strace (via ssh over usb) seemed to show to me that the keyboard behaved correctly, but the x server might think some modifier to be set Jul 26 10:06:09 ERROR: '/home/me/moko/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb' failed Jul 26 10:06:09 make: *** [fso-image] Error 1 Jul 26 10:06:22 Wonka: :\ Jul 26 10:06:24 McKael: there was some small x application showing current status of keyboard modifiers, but I don't find it anymore Jul 26 10:07:07 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80359/ <- what the heck is wrong with opkg, i just ran a update prior to that Jul 26 10:07:54 ronny: is your network still working? Jul 26 10:08:07 (and your DNS resolution...) Jul 26 10:08:15 anyone know how to get fso to build ? Jul 26 10:08:41 argh Jul 26 10:08:52 dns res breaks every few minutes Jul 26 10:09:34 ieatlint: should this work for my problem "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" Jul 26 10:10:07 ronny: usb or wifi? Jul 26 10:10:18 pazante, uhm, i dunno what your problem is... but that command is essentially the same as the echo one above Jul 26 10:10:21 Maybe I should add a menu to restart X Jul 26 10:10:24 McKael: usb Jul 26 10:10:39 i think its a mess un my ubuntu Jul 26 10:11:02 ronny: oh ok, is your link going down & up? Jul 26 10:11:35 McKael: i think its related to my messy usb Jul 26 10:11:44 ieatlint: i got a error message when running the echo command acsess denied or something Jul 26 10:11:46 but if you update /etc/network/interfaces on the FR it should be sufficient Jul 26 10:12:35 pazante: you need root perms Jul 26 10:12:55 i have root perms Jul 26 10:13:01 ok :) Jul 26 10:13:35 now it works thanks Jul 26 10:14:08 pazante: so what did you change? Jul 26 10:14:33 Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package libncurses5 Jul 26 10:15:15 McKael: i ran the command "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" Jul 26 10:15:24 ronny: there are tips for this one in the ML archives Jul 26 10:15:49 ieatlint, pazante: i updated the wiki so other people will not encounter the same problem Jul 26 10:35:30 what's the best asu image to get Jul 26 10:36:47 20 may 2008? Jul 26 10:46:50 test Jul 26 10:47:05 ping Jul 26 10:47:13 looks like a split Jul 26 10:47:36 irssi did not detect a split here Jul 26 10:47:54 oh. i just saw a bunch of people quitting Jul 26 10:48:42 anyone know what this error means Jul 26 10:48:44 ERROR: '/home/me/moko/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb' failed Jul 26 10:48:44 make: *** [fso-image] Error 1 Jul 26 10:54:59 hmm Jul 26 10:55:26 i really didnt expect the moko to be so much of a pain :( Jul 26 10:55:26 i'm trying to build fso from MokoMakefile Jul 26 10:55:43 what's the pain? Jul 26 10:56:21 welcome to a young open source project Jul 26 10:56:56 imagine how painful the early days of the wine project were Jul 26 10:57:03 took 'em 15 years to get out of beta Jul 26 10:57:26 oops Jul 26 10:58:27 CaptObviousman: yup, but its a whole win32 emulator Jul 26 10:58:39 and this is an entire cell phone with many discrete elements Jul 26 10:59:01 yeah, i expected issues, but not so many Jul 26 10:59:38 did you purchase a FreeRunner? Jul 26 10:59:43 yeah Jul 26 11:02:16 well if you get tired of struggling with it, you can always donate it to someone else who's more interested in the project Jul 26 11:04:59 CaptObviousman: its just not nice to pay 300€ for a phone thats basically 50% invalide but was supposed to be the *public* release Jul 26 11:05:46 Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. Jul 26 11:05:49 /topic Jul 26 11:08:03 phrozen77: then why the heck fire a public release? i know at least 5 more people that just brought a freerunner and ended totaly unhappy cause its absolutely not what they expected from a public release Jul 26 11:08:12 but a nice dev platform Jul 26 11:08:23 ronny: if it is fresh and you live close to sweden i could buy it from you for 300euro Jul 26 11:10:07 blippe: im going to keep it, my other phone died the day before and unlike most of my friends i feel like hacking Jul 26 11:10:25 hah Jul 26 11:12:15 * CaptObviousman isn't sure he could use a euro handset Jul 26 11:12:29 I can't afford it anyway, so I'm trying to shack up with a few others who've already purchased it Jul 26 11:15:13 when reflashing is it still necessary to press aux every thirty seconds Jul 26 11:15:39 h Jul 26 11:15:41 i Jul 26 11:15:59 i seem to be facing problems using WPA/WPA2 on my netgear dg834gv3 router Jul 26 11:16:05 anybody facing similiar problems? Jul 26 11:16:10 are there any patches? Jul 26 11:16:25 this is spar... err #openmoko Jul 26 11:17:07 eh. i am talking about my freerunner Jul 26 11:17:09 grr Jul 26 11:17:32 oh this should be great. flashing failed. dfu-util says "dfu_download error -110" Error during download Jul 26 11:17:39 'channel hint set to 2462 Jul 26 11:17:39 Connect called with authmode 1 dot11 auth 1 PW crypto 1 PW crypto Len 0 GRP crypto 1 GRP crypto Len 0' Jul 26 11:17:49 that does in dmesg ^^ Jul 26 12:05:40 anybody heard when the new batch will be sold at the openmoko store? Jul 26 12:06:54 anyone here who installed scummvm on his freerunner? Jul 26 12:14:42 hello, how to change a ringotones on FR? Jul 26 12:16:53 anasazi: I did on GTA01 some time ago Jul 26 12:21:00 why does asu keep turning off my phone ! !! Jul 26 12:23:26 alphaone: acc to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm it is possible (although only the 1973 is mentioned) Jul 26 12:23:45 but the package from there won't run on my freerunner. Jul 26 12:25:16 what happens when you run it Jul 26 12:25:18 hmm Jul 26 12:25:28 says permission denied. Jul 26 12:25:31 but permission is ok Jul 26 12:25:39 seems to be not executable Jul 26 12:25:45 chmod +x Jul 26 12:25:48 filename Jul 26 12:25:50 already is Jul 26 12:25:57 file "executable" says? Jul 26 12:26:39 root@om-gta02:/usr/bin# ls -lsa scummvm Jul 26 12:26:39 4869 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4986216 Aug 15 2007 scummvm Jul 26 12:27:02 do you have the "file" command Jul 26 12:27:03 mom I make a better paste :) Jul 26 12:28:41 awesomenazi Jul 26 12:28:59 Maybe it doesn't have permission to use what ever files it needs? I've never used scummvm so I'm just guessing. Jul 26 12:29:35 what happens when you run it Jul 26 12:30:26 asu is making me rip the battery out Jul 26 12:31:26 http://paste.ubuntu.com/30549/ Jul 26 12:31:31 mmh even stranger Jul 26 12:31:35 for me at least Jul 26 12:32:32 root@om-gta02:~# scummvm Jul 26 12:32:32 -sh: scummvm: Permission denied Jul 26 12:33:22 Line 19: /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: scummvm: Permission denied Jul 26 12:33:55 Line 10 is a comment, so the problem is either before or after it. Jul 26 12:34:10 it cant't execute the scummvm Jul 26 12:34:14 line 11 Jul 26 12:34:22 Line 9 says xrandr -o left Jul 26 12:34:22 line 11 is line 10 Jul 26 12:34:33 as line 1 is the more ... Jul 26 12:34:44 Can it access --themepath=/usr/share/scummvm/themes/ Jul 26 12:35:22 That might be where the permission is denied. Jul 26 12:35:49 asu gets crappiest distro award. Jul 26 12:36:28 johngay: in my paste line 22 I try to execute scummvm directly (without parameters), and it says not found Jul 26 12:36:43 do you have a "/bin/sh" Jul 26 12:36:50 if I call it without path Jul 26 12:37:02 it says "/bin/sh: scummvm: Permission denied" Jul 26 12:37:27 yes I have /bin/sh Jul 26 12:37:34 symlink to busybox Jul 26 12:37:45 No, it says -sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found Jul 26 12:38:29 yes but: root@om-gta02:~# ls -l /usr/bin/scummvm Jul 26 12:38:29 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4986216 Aug 15 2007 /usr/bin/scummvm Jul 26 12:38:36 I'm guessing it's not finding required files to run. Jul 26 12:38:54 but the error is given by sh, or not? Jul 26 12:39:30 It's not telling what files it's not finding. If scummvm can't find the files in the default place it errors. Jul 26 12:39:53 The script is looking for files in /usr/share/scummvm/themes/ and says permission denied. Jul 26 12:40:35 These are different errors, so I'm guessing you don't have the files it needs to run, or their permissions are wrong. Jul 26 12:41:22 I'm just troubleshooting blind, as I said, I've never tried scummvm before. Jul 26 12:42:05 But I do have it on my GP2X and would be interested to see how it works. Jul 26 12:47:15 what's "lowlevel foo" for in the dailies ? Jul 26 12:55:26 mmmh Jul 26 12:55:47 the rest of the permissions look good, too. Strange. Nah I will let it rest for now Jul 26 12:55:56 thanks for your support though! Jul 26 12:56:05 anyone ever see this boot error Jul 26 12:56:08 I like to try. Jul 26 12:56:19 power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' property Jul 26 12:57:08 johngay: let me know if it works ;-) Jul 26 12:57:47 I don't have any compatible game files to use with scummvm. That's why I've never tried it out. Jul 26 12:58:10 http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php Jul 26 12:58:15 there are some free downloads Jul 26 12:59:03 johngay - that's fsckin awesome Jul 26 12:59:09 there's a couple here too Jul 26 12:59:10 http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3391408/ScummVM_Games_Collection__no_Humongous_-_PC__amp__FMTOWNS_-_English Jul 26 12:59:17 7.4G ! Jul 26 12:59:24 :D Jul 26 12:59:43 not that i would ever encourage downloading files like that illegally Jul 26 12:59:43 roflcopters Jul 26 13:00:17 What's awesome swc|666? Jul 26 13:00:24 the name Jul 26 13:00:27 awesome4k? Jul 26 13:00:41 I was just born with it. What's your excuse? Jul 26 13:00:57 ahh.. kk - cool Jul 26 13:02:07 I just lack the imagination to come up with a unique nick (= Jul 26 13:02:17 ok.. Jul 26 13:02:21 i will try installing the scummvm Jul 26 13:02:26 how to do? Jul 26 13:02:43 I asked first ;-) Jul 26 13:03:05 did you do this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm Jul 26 13:03:27 Awesomecopters. Jul 26 13:03:44 pidgin is in the repo for the FR right? Jul 26 13:04:19 yes/no Jul 26 13:04:22 I tried :) Jul 26 13:04:28 lol Jul 26 13:04:30 I installed the ipk Jul 26 13:04:42 (which it says is for neo 1973, what might be the problem) Jul 26 13:04:45 from the angstrom repo? Jul 26 13:04:47 swc, what!? Jul 26 13:04:55 What are you talking about! Jul 26 13:05:00 I was however unable to do anything with the bitbake recipe Jul 26 13:05:00 ;0 Jul 26 13:05:32 I'm also interested in this! (just to let you know i'm eavesdropping :)) Jul 26 13:05:35 too much noob in me Jul 26 13:05:43 anasazi: you have a build environment set up ? Jul 26 13:05:46 (anasazi: the noob in stronger in me :)) Jul 26 13:05:56 The noob is strong with this one. Jul 26 13:05:58 yes Jul 26 13:06:04 I successfully ported hello world ;-) Jul 26 13:06:05 it shouldnt be too hard to build Jul 26 13:06:40 hello world as in openmoko-sample2 Jul 26 13:06:47 isn't it equally hard to build something as to create an ipk (probably stupid question) Jul 26 13:07:02 I am unable to resolve the dependency virtual/libsdl on my host ubuntu... Jul 26 13:07:10 bitbake is kinda off imo Jul 26 13:07:34 Zorkman: the ipk is downloadable directly ;-) Jul 26 13:07:58 but I am willing to try and learn Jul 26 13:08:14 anasazi: i know, but i mean isn't building equally difficult to MAKING an ipk file that people can download directly Jul 26 13:08:15 ok. Jul 26 13:08:27 anasazi: that way not everyone has to build it Jul 26 13:08:29 i'm root on my phone, and have a working internet connection from it. Jul 26 13:08:39 now how did you install Jul 26 13:09:02 is there an image viewer in the repos? Jul 26 13:09:31 i see it here http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/pidgin_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Jul 26 13:09:32 zorkman: yes of course. But I don't get the point. I am not able to build it / make a ipk. And the ipk available does not work for me.... Jul 26 13:09:35 ok i found it Jul 26 13:09:37 torero: Jul 26 13:09:37 opkg install gpe-icons Jul 26 13:09:37 opkg install gpe-gallery Jul 26 13:09:47 :) thanks Jul 26 13:10:11 I installed http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/ Jul 26 13:10:21 ok Jul 26 13:10:25 anasazi: i just mean that in stead of just building it, you could try to create an ipk *IF* that is the same amount of work, that way i can profit too :) Jul 26 13:10:27 what did you type to install Jul 26 13:10:39 like wget http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/libmpeg2-0_0.4.0b-r2_armv4t.ipk and the rest.... opkg install all of it Jul 26 13:11:00 just the "ipk" files right? Jul 26 13:11:21 Zorkman: ah ok, I think I got it... so IF I will be able to build it in the future, I will also create an IPK which you of course might download :) Jul 26 13:11:27 awesomo4k: yes Jul 26 13:11:48 I needed only the scummvm and the libxv1 thing Jul 26 13:11:58 the rest was already installed (but don't know if that is per default) Jul 26 13:12:01 HUUUUUUMOOOOOONGOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSS Jul 26 13:12:23 ahh. ok. i just reflashed to 712 2007.2 Jul 26 13:12:53 we need apt-get Jul 26 13:12:54 :) Jul 26 13:15:02 hmmm i installed the ipk and then did "openmoko-scummvm --boot-param=10001 monkey2" an the screen looks very... "funky" :) Jul 26 13:15:16 does monkey2 come with it Jul 26 13:15:20 no :) Jul 26 13:15:29 wget what? Jul 26 13:15:30 :) Jul 26 13:15:30 bu why do i get a jumbled start-upscreen then? Jul 26 13:15:47 zorkman the openmoko-scummvm think is a script Jul 26 13:15:52 k Jul 26 13:15:52 try reorienting the screen to landscape Jul 26 13:15:55 is there a way to just display the image without this gpe-gallery thingie? i have some pics in an sd card Fat16 formatted and doesnt want to open the media/card/ subfilders Jul 26 13:16:09 which maps the AUX button to F5 (the other way round) and flips the screen Jul 26 13:16:13 don't know torero Jul 26 13:16:15 thats why it looks funky Jul 26 13:16:32 Zorkman: ok ill try to figure it out Jul 26 13:16:37 but the desktop variant of scummvm has also a main start screen with a menu if u start it without parameters Jul 26 13:16:47 anasazi: did the scummvm install complain about what libs it was missing or did it complain at runtime Jul 26 13:16:58 nope Jul 26 13:17:27 I installed the the libs from the URL before I installed the scummvm ipk. And that worked without errors Jul 26 13:17:36 ok Jul 26 13:17:52 (despite 2 of the 3 libs were already available in a newer version) Jul 26 13:17:54 scumm complained at install when i did it without any of those libs first. it wanted libmpeg Jul 26 13:17:55 pidgin works anazazi Jul 26 13:18:04 awesomo4k: anasazi: i got no errors when opkg install scummvm'ing on the asu Jul 26 13:18:22 (it configured libmpeg2-0 automatically) Jul 26 13:19:03 swc|666: mh? What about pidgin? Jul 26 13:19:45 the ipk works Jul 26 13:20:13 uhm... I guess someone else asked for that? Or why do u tell me? Jul 26 13:20:22 you mean pidgin ipk? Jul 26 13:22:43 is there a way to check which games would run on the freerunner? Jul 26 13:23:00 if scummvm runs, I think all games sohuld work Jul 26 13:23:12 no speed-restrictions? Jul 26 13:23:24 zoom zoom? Jul 26 13:23:25 (is it also possible to map touchscreeninput to keys?) Jul 26 13:23:52 probably Jul 26 13:24:00 Anything is possible! Jul 26 13:24:02 uhm... nice questions :) Jul 26 13:24:03 You just gotta BELIEVE! Jul 26 13:24:22 ^^ Jul 26 13:24:31 don't worry, I'm a believer Jul 26 13:24:34 ^_^ Jul 26 13:24:37 heehee Jul 26 13:24:44 downloading monkey island 2 to begin and test Jul 26 13:24:48 :DDDDDDDDDDd Jul 26 13:24:59 I'm going to install DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Jul 26 13:25:06 Gotta frag them monsters! Jul 26 13:25:10 :):) Jul 26 13:25:17 maybe even accelerometers input for movement :p Jul 26 13:25:22 :o Jul 26 13:25:40 * Dave pictures geeks playing jedi games with their iPhone lightsabers Jul 26 13:25:45 hi. Jul 26 13:25:46 -_-; Jul 26 13:25:54 Hello Mr. Boner Jul 26 13:26:06 :o Jul 26 13:26:17 and speechrecognition to annoy everyone around by shouting SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT constantly :) Jul 26 13:26:25 BAEM BAEM BAEM Jul 26 13:27:24 -_- Jul 26 13:27:32 szwing, szwing... Jul 26 13:27:36 bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt Jul 26 13:27:55 you can stop now, my young padawans Jul 26 13:28:01 i'm really anxious to get this up and running :) Jul 26 13:29:53 And people thought my nick was bad? Thx bonerjams (= Jul 26 13:29:56 heh Jul 26 13:30:00 -_-; Jul 26 13:30:03 stupid people. Jul 26 13:30:11 ;D Jul 26 13:30:15 hey folks Jul 26 13:30:25 Hey, I resemble that remark, Dave. Jul 26 13:30:35 I think that nickometer should reflect stupidity on top of lameness. Jul 26 13:30:42 john, resent, you mean? Jul 26 13:30:56 unless you are in fact admitting that you are stupid :D Jul 26 13:31:05 No, I meant what I said (= Jul 26 13:31:09 hah :D Jul 26 13:31:22 whee Jul 26 13:31:34 nickometer swc|666 Jul 26 13:31:37 i get this error when running openmoko-scummvm Jul 26 13:31:43 "I'm sorry, Dave! But you know I can't do that." Jul 26 13:31:51 * Dave stabbity-stabs johngay Jul 26 13:31:58 /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found Jul 26 13:32:03 same thing Jul 26 13:32:06 lowell Jul 26 13:32:10 perhaps it's not instaleld? Jul 26 13:32:14 "I'm sorry, Dave! But you know I can't do that." Jul 26 13:32:19 awesomo4k: me too :-/ Jul 26 13:32:20 is freerunner supposed to wake from sleep by itself every couple of minutes? (showing screen lock) Jul 26 13:32:21 * Dave halsmites HAL9000 Jul 26 13:32:38 * Dave beats johngay with a univac system Jul 26 13:32:44 Take that! Jul 26 13:33:11 aewsomo4k, you're exactly where anasazi quit. Jul 26 13:33:21 yeah this is a weird one. Jul 26 13:33:35 i feel like there's something horribly wrong Jul 26 13:33:57 Dudes, that's not even an error. Jul 26 13:34:03 You haven't even begun, if you're getting that. Jul 26 13:34:19 will an error like -sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found Jul 26 13:34:21 (I don't even wonder about the small things like that the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm says to start the openmoko-scummvm with parameters, but if you look into the script it doesn't process any of them ;-) Jul 26 13:34:27 torindel: it's probably cell broadcasts waking it up Jul 26 13:34:46 that's really not the error Jul 26 13:34:49 zIt's the balronkun! Jul 26 13:34:53 Get 'im! Jul 26 13:34:56 * balrog-kun hides Jul 26 13:34:59 hi, i'm trying to build the software for the first time using "make openmoko-devel-image", but after about 5 minutes, i get this error: Jul 26 13:35:00 'moko/openembedded/packages/libtool/libtool-native_1.5.10.bb' failed Jul 26 13:35:01 rawr :P Jul 26 13:35:14 i'm using these instructions if it helps Jul 26 13:35:14 ajbrun welcome to openmoko development ! Jul 26 13:35:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips Jul 26 13:35:28 thanks :p Jul 26 13:35:32 "Dave's not here, Man." Jul 26 13:35:50 i'm sorry you can't do that dave Jul 26 13:35:50 i want to dev something, but i don't know what yet or how Jul 26 13:35:51 i get: Jul 26 13:35:51 xmodmap: unable to open display '' Jul 26 13:35:51 xmodmap: unable to open display '' Jul 26 13:35:51 Can't open display Jul 26 13:35:57 balrog-kun: thx Jul 26 13:36:28 and then the screen looks again very funky Jul 26 13:36:29 zorkman: by chance, you do it directly on the phone and not via SSH? Jul 26 13:36:53 no, i do it through ssh Jul 26 13:37:04 i just type openmoko-scummvm Jul 26 13:37:11 Zorkman Jul 26 13:37:14 export DISPLAY=:0.0 Jul 26 13:37:32 great! Jul 26 13:37:32 that would have been my second question, if anyone of u knows how to start X11-applications remotely via ssh on the phone Jul 26 13:37:35 ah Jul 26 13:38:04 ah this will use the host X11, right? Jul 26 13:38:10 unbelievable... i still have the wrong offset when the screen is turned, so i can't click on the add game button :) Jul 26 13:38:35 Zorkman: u have it running? Jul 26 13:38:38 (does that mean we can't play it unless it is connected to the host?) Jul 26 13:38:44 anasazi: yeah, it runs and looks great Jul 26 13:39:00 running on the moko, using host as screen? Jul 26 13:39:11 but i need to press a button on the right side to add a game.... and the mouse curser has the wrong offset... Jul 26 13:39:28 it's running on the FreeRunner and on the FreeRunners screen Jul 26 13:39:48 Zorkman rulz!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 26 13:39:51 how did u manage that? Jul 26 13:40:04 i did *NOTHING* special :) Jul 26 13:40:13 i just wget the ipk Jul 26 13:40:18 then i do an opkg install Jul 26 13:40:31 then export DISPLAY=:0.0 Jul 26 13:40:37 then openmoko-scummvm Jul 26 13:41:00 (running fully updated ASU) Jul 26 13:41:40 interesting Jul 26 13:41:57 fully updated meaning opkg update && opkg upgrade ? Jul 26 13:42:01 jup Jul 26 13:42:05 but with the corrected feeds Jul 26 13:42:28 aha!? Can you please elaborate on that one? :) Jul 26 13:42:29 did you read that mail? Jul 26 13:42:36 no Jul 26 13:42:41 i'll dig up up, just a sec Jul 26 13:42:46 cool thx Jul 26 13:44:46 So glad I could help (= Jul 26 13:45:12 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023521.html Jul 26 13:45:22 very important mail Jul 26 13:45:58 (only problem i got that it looked like it installed some stuff for the 1973 hardware, i just reflashed the kernel to gta02 one afterwards) Jul 26 13:46:17 ah btw, as I started only 2 days ago with that all... the pre-installed image is not ASU but 2007.02? Jul 26 13:47:25 pre-installed is 2007.2 Jul 26 13:47:44 ok. so it works with ASU but not with 2007.2 (the scummvm). Jul 26 13:48:39 didn't try it on the 2007.2 could try to do that when i reboot it Jul 26 13:48:42 anasazi: i started today ;] Jul 26 13:49:06 torindel: nice :) but I hope (for my sake) that u don't have scummvm up and running? ;-) Jul 26 13:49:26 nope ;] Jul 26 13:49:34 just testing hw now Jul 26 13:50:12 i havent test gprs and motion sensors yet Jul 26 13:50:14 does anybody know how to fix the wrong offset when the screen is turned? Jul 26 13:50:45 torindel: there is a GSoC project with motion based gestures, maybe you'll like to fiddle with that Jul 26 13:51:08 as for wifi i get low signal, and wpa dont work at all (looks like kernel module doesnt support wpa), rest looks ok Jul 26 13:51:25 Zorkman: thx Jul 26 13:52:09 Has someone ported mame yet? Jul 26 13:52:26 torindel: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces Jul 26 13:52:48 Dave? Jul 26 13:53:24 Zorkman: i know how to set up wifi, wpa_supplicant just have problems Jul 26 13:53:51 ok, sorry Jul 26 13:54:10 Dave? You there?? Jul 26 13:54:15 normal non wpa wifi seems to work but low signal Jul 26 13:54:45 yeah i also get a low signal Jul 26 13:54:56 would u list the stepes u took? Jul 26 13:55:12 followed the wiki? Jul 26 13:55:59 hi, can anyone confirm that the new prebuilt images can be used with neo1973? Jul 26 13:56:28 what I meant to ask was that does anyone know if they do work, of course :) Jul 26 13:59:51 anybody know how to fix the wrong mouse offset when in landscape mode? Jul 26 14:01:20 yeah thats annoying Jul 26 14:01:33 it makes it impossible to use scummvm.... Jul 26 14:02:03 :o Jul 26 14:13:10 hmm, gps still wont work :/ Jul 26 14:13:55 ronny: What's the problem? Jul 26 14:14:01 What device, what image? Jul 26 14:15:03 alphaone: mainstream image, latest upgrades installed, freerunner Jul 26 14:15:14 wont get its first fix Jul 26 14:18:29 woo hoo...loooks like we got some people from taiwan on the channel. Jul 26 14:21:20 anyone with a qtopia image in the neo that can pastebin a file for me ? Jul 26 14:21:53 maybe. Jul 26 14:22:06 ronny: maybe you're building is blocking the signal too much? use agpsui and try it outside and see if it can see any sattelites and what their strenght is? for a fix i need to be very close to a window Jul 26 14:22:47 question: does anyone know a terminal command to rotate the screen of the freerunner? Jul 26 14:22:48 Chocky: do you have a neo with qtopia near to you ? Jul 26 14:22:53 maybe. Jul 26 14:23:03 Zorkman: xrandr -s1 Jul 26 14:23:07 -o 1 Jul 26 14:23:19 -o 0 to turn it back Jul 26 14:23:27 what do I can you for? Jul 26 14:23:48 Zorkman: But ts input will be broken then Jul 26 14:24:27 yeah i know :( Jul 26 14:24:36 Chocky: I need the content of the file /etc/bluetooth/hci.conf Jul 26 14:24:40 otherwise we could play scummvm games... Jul 26 14:25:18 mine is opkg ugpraded frmo GTK setup; might or might not be what you want Jul 26 14:25:24 Chocky: /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf Jul 26 14:26:19 http://pastebin.com/d79462846 Jul 26 14:27:03 Chocky: thanks Jul 26 14:28:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1ce6a47433a7 10/tools/makedoc.py: add lousy tool confessing me giving up on doctools and xslt Jul 26 14:28:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r25584464ee28 10/otapi/xhtml/ (2 files): regenerate Jul 26 14:28:59 ronny u know about the sd card (just to be sure) Jul 26 14:30:00 anasazi: yeah Jul 26 14:30:49 maybe u are in the poor set of people with bad connection? I read something in the wiki... Jul 26 14:31:29 hmm Jul 26 14:31:47 i get 2 satelites, both below 30 db Jul 26 14:33:11 bbl, going out in the garden Jul 26 14:33:29 :o Jul 26 14:39:20 is there a way to make openmoko-terminal2 UTF-8 capable? Jul 26 14:44:12 anybody know how to add/store maps in expsosure/splinter? Jul 26 14:44:15 moo. Jul 26 14:44:25 * Chocky pokes Debian Jul 26 14:44:44 anasazi: got a fix now Jul 26 14:44:48 anybody know how to add/store maps in expsosure/splinter? Jul 26 14:45:40 whats a good way to add a dns-proxy to my ubuntu box, i hate fixing usbnet every time i connect the moko Jul 26 14:45:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 26 14:45:59 all there. Jul 26 14:46:04 I rewrote it last night. Jul 26 14:46:11 oh, thanks Jul 26 14:47:12 so, where are the steps to flash the qtopia image? the wiki is still a bit confusing Jul 26 14:47:21 one page at a time :o Jul 26 14:47:36 but it is there, linked from the getting started guide Jul 26 14:47:59 oukei... Jul 26 14:48:13 thanks to oue editor things are getting better Jul 26 14:48:36 yep, i was in the neo1973 page :S Jul 26 14:48:44 now im in the right one i think Jul 26 14:58:56 hmm, is there any prefered package for dns proxy on ubuntu? Jul 26 14:59:20 iptables :o Jul 26 15:00:20 dnsmasq is okay Jul 26 15:00:50 hmk Jul 26 15:00:59 that's a full DNS server rather than a proxy, but works pretty well. Jul 26 15:01:03 dead easy to configure Jul 26 15:01:33 anyway, the page mentions all this Jul 26 15:02:11 hmm, now all i need is a good navigation-software Jul 26 15:03:03 * Chocky reworks Debian page :o Jul 26 15:03:11 pass 1. more to do. Jul 26 15:03:57 any way to make openmoko-terminal2 UTF-8 capable? Jul 26 15:10:14 correction: tango-gps works now Jul 26 15:10:39 :o Jul 26 15:12:40 question: i downloaded some maps to /Maps on my 2007.2 image running from flash; i currently run ASU from sd card: how do i acces that /map folder? Jul 26 15:28:21 ahoi Jul 26 15:28:31 maties. Jul 26 15:30:08 argh, no FR in stock Jul 26 15:30:08 guess its bed time....byeybe Jul 26 15:30:10 yet Jul 26 15:30:11 :-( Jul 26 15:32:56 anybody know where to download the eightball? http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Um7Chd30Y&feature=related Jul 26 15:36:00 does anybody know how to download or save maps in exposure? (otherwise i'll ask on the community lists) Jul 26 15:37:47 Shouldnt it be 192.168.0.202 here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#More_on_DNS ? Jul 26 15:38:05 zorkman: w.r.t. the eightball... interesting Jul 26 15:38:10 but dont know where to get Jul 26 15:38:18 ah yes Jul 26 15:38:40 zorkman have u tried other map repositories with targo gps? Jul 26 15:42:26 what do you mean anasazi? Jul 26 15:43:43 hey dudes Jul 26 15:43:56 anyone know where the latest u-boot can be found? Jul 26 15:44:09 with ext2, sdhc support? Jul 26 15:44:18 thewtex: http://buildhost.openmoko.org Jul 26 15:44:38 Zorkman: default is OSM, but u can also use google maps or other stuff (if u know how...) Jul 26 15:44:59 OSM itself has a second repository with slightly different images, which I tried Jul 26 15:45:03 mmontour: do you know if v1.3.1-r3 is the new uboot that works with sdhc? Jul 26 15:45:05 but it was horribly slow Jul 26 15:45:26 Zorkman: looking in daily/freerunner, and all the files are at least named the same for all dates Jul 26 15:45:48 anasazi: yeah i know the default is OSM, but i want to be able to use them offline and I can't find how to do that Jul 26 15:46:10 thewtex: if you have a freerunner: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Jul 26 15:46:38 Zorkman: ok, I'll try that Jul 26 15:47:00 tangogps had an option to download the maps or to just save them to another directory than /tmp so they were still there after a reboot Jul 26 15:47:54 are there any games for the freerunner yet? Jul 26 15:48:10 ronny: 7.4gig if you use scummvm Jul 26 15:48:20 oO Jul 26 15:48:34 but scummvm uses landscape mode and there is an error with the offset there Jul 26 15:49:19 so currently there are some (20?) in the 2007.2 and i also have a few on the asu (kobedelux for example) Jul 26 15:52:09 there's kobodeluxe in the packages, and 2007 comes with a bunch of board games Jul 26 15:52:22 er Jul 26 15:52:26 * Chocky so repeat Jul 26 15:59:57 has anyone had problems with the sms'es not sending sometimes? i hit the button and it doesn't do anything. sometimes it works fine though Jul 26 16:00:29 is there any commitment to stability for either 2007.2 or ASU distros? Jul 26 16:03:50 Do I need the GSM850 or GSM900 varient for t-mobile in the US? Jul 26 16:04:01 850 in US Jul 26 16:04:04 k Jul 26 16:04:18 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r94e4205d3af0 10/odeviced/src/plugins/display/display.vala: Fix SetBackLightPower Jul 26 16:06:31 is it possible that the freerunner isnt always USB0? Jul 26 16:07:10 spydon: depends on your distro Jul 26 16:07:20 usually it pops up as usb0 Jul 26 16:07:22 ubuntu 8.04.1 Jul 26 16:07:26 spydon: ifconfig -a Jul 26 16:07:38 do you get any new devices when you plugin your moko? Jul 26 16:08:26 * sparrow waves Jul 26 16:08:39 yup USB0 :P Jul 26 16:08:53 Just a quick question before diner. Is a decent irc client for the freerunner allready? Jul 26 16:10:14 Preferably Irssi, but anything half decent is fine. Jul 26 16:13:09 weird I can't ssh to it anymore, but I could yesterday and I did everything on the USB networking wiki again but it is still not working... Jul 26 16:16:53 I get "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection timed out" when I try to ssh it Jul 26 16:18:04 spydon: firewall? Jul 26 16:18:21 I did the iptables stuff in the wiki Jul 26 16:19:14 spydon: you probably lack the usb drver Jul 26 16:19:15 driver Jul 26 16:19:30 but it worked yesterday :S Jul 26 16:19:31 if you don't get usb0 Jul 26 16:19:38 I get usb0 Jul 26 16:19:50 ifconfig usb0 which ip does it have assigned? Jul 26 16:20:36 I don't see any... maybe mac adresses :P Jul 26 16:21:19 http://pastebin.com/d45d2e27d Jul 26 16:22:04 brb, I shall just go eat Jul 26 16:22:26 spydon - I have found from time to time they my FR does not notice when I plug in a usb cable. Try plugging in it in and out again. Jul 26 16:22:38 s/they/that Jul 26 16:30:09 will the kernel "uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin" work with 2007.2 and qtopia rootfs? Jul 26 16:30:38 ozzloy: yes Jul 26 16:36:33 moo Jul 26 16:37:44 so it seems that the July 25th deadline is missed, and we are left in the dark of any taget date... again :-) Jul 26 16:38:02 aw Jul 26 16:40:44 hey everybody Jul 26 16:40:55 it's fine... I need more time to talk my wife into letting me get one anyway :p Jul 26 16:41:03 sparrow, it notices when I do it... Jul 26 16:41:14 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc412068e459c 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: Plugins using automatic dbus path lookup should have an additional constructor of type Plugin Jul 26 16:41:14 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re1fc26edbe94 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (led/led.vala power/power.vala rtc/rtc.vala): sync with the helpers compute_objects. Each plugin now has a reference to the respective plugin manager. Removes the need for hard coding Jul 26 16:41:15 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re1963e7b7a96 10/odeviced/vapi/odeviced.vapi: sync .vapi Jul 26 16:41:36 sparrow, well now in all case, but I still cant ssh to it Jul 26 16:41:43 Hello Jul 26 16:41:53 spydon - Can you ping the phone? Jul 26 16:41:54 I've some problems with DNS... :/ Jul 26 16:42:06 sparrow, nope Jul 26 16:42:07 * Chocky wonderss what sparrow broke Jul 26 16:42:15 er, spydon :o Jul 26 16:42:31 I've flashed the latest ASU, I can ping external IPs but I can't do it for google.com (for example) Jul 26 16:42:32 any idea? Jul 26 16:42:39 Chocky - Too early not to blame it on me ;) Jul 26 16:42:42 MTrevi: unless you tell us _exactly_ we can't help. in any case, read the updated USB networking guide Jul 26 16:42:43 DNS Jul 26 16:42:51 ah, of course Jul 26 16:42:53 Chocky: yes we can! Jul 26 16:42:58 ;-) Jul 26 16:42:58 I've changed resolv.conf Jul 26 16:43:06 can you ping your DNS server's IP? Jul 26 16:43:07 putting there the opendns ip. Jul 26 16:43:08 I must have done something terrible wrong ^^ Jul 26 16:43:17 yes Jul 26 16:43:21 * SpeedEvil makes a little voodoo doll for MTrevi, and sticks little images of websites into it. Jul 26 16:43:22 yesterday I was able to do that Jul 26 16:43:27 and now? ;-) Jul 26 16:43:39 There are otehr ways to help users! Jul 26 16:43:46 now no Jul 26 16:43:48 :/ Jul 26 16:43:54 then that is why your DNS is bust ;-) Jul 26 16:44:01 use your gateway's IP, that will be best Jul 26 16:44:09 whatever IP your desktop is using. Jul 26 16:44:10 hi, I begin to see a tiny mouse cursor in the screen and I'm not able to quit the foreground app! help! Jul 26 16:44:12 all in the guide. Jul 26 16:44:18 linters Jul 26 16:44:24 yesterday I was using the standard freerunner version Jul 26 16:44:31 and all worked Jul 26 16:44:31 now Jul 26 16:44:49 I've put the latest asu, for a test, but I can't resolv any domain. Jul 26 16:44:50 MTrevi: There's nothing "standard". pleaase don't make me guess details. Jul 26 16:44:52 I cant ping 192.168.0.200 from the phone either... Jul 26 16:45:12 * Chocky can't help _anyone_ with networking unless they answer my questions :-( Jul 26 16:45:24 Chocky: yes there's at least a standard: the shipped version ;P Jul 26 16:45:25 however Jul 26 16:45:27 hmm Jul 26 16:45:44 spydon: sounds like you change your usb0 settings on the phone. perhaps you configured wifi? Jul 26 16:45:50 the clock over ntp is 2 hours off ./ Jul 26 16:45:52 Chocky, nope Jul 26 16:45:57 ronny: I know, suxxors. Jul 26 16:46:05 spydon: is wifi configured at all? Jul 26 16:46:13 spydon: and what does ifconfig usb0 on the phone say? Jul 26 16:46:16 Chocky, I cant ping 192.168.0.202 from the phone either :P Jul 26 16:46:54 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r224f6ed17dea 10/packages/tasks/task-gpe-base.bb: task-gpe-base: Remove gpe-bootsplash, this might be provided by the distribution as well. Jul 26 16:46:55 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r3de5f8013275 10/packages/gpe-su/gpe-su_0.20.bb: gpe-su: add 0.20 including new translations Jul 26 16:46:56 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r34245dc44f49 10/ (105 files in 36 dirs): merge of '05e9902f277de28b4e08c6bb6aff89f8862b84ac' Jul 26 16:46:56 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * rface09436b4e 10/packages/ (gpe-su/gpe-su_0.20.bb tasks/task-gpe-base.bb): merge of '377e4d7bcf91440bd806ee920d1b7ff72c44b991' Jul 26 16:46:58 spydon: if you can't ping .202 from the phone (which is its IP), then something is wrong/change with the usb0 interface, like I said. Jul 26 16:46:59 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a81d2353267 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.1.bb: busybox 1.11.1 apply first two hotfixes Jul 26 16:47:02 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8bc215a8eb2f 10/contrib/python/generate-manifest-2.5.py: generate-manifest-2.5.py restore alphabetical order and update version Jul 26 16:47:05 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5240360f8e25 10/packages/linux/ (12 files in 2 dirs): linux omap2 git: update TWL4030 patches for beagle, add mrus clock patches Jul 26 16:47:05 spam! Jul 26 16:47:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r317094a0fc74 10/packages/mythtv/ (5 files in 2 dirs): mythtv: start beating it into a state where it will crosscompile Jul 26 16:47:11 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r602753b3953e 10/packages/mythtv/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge of '25f2070b6ff7c016172c18ddcbea754aeb7d159e' Jul 26 16:47:18 Chocky, to resume, pratically I've configured the net and works, I've added a working dns in resolv.conf but ping (and other net tools) doesn't care of it Jul 26 16:47:20 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r39f3472b06a1 10/packages/dsplink/dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb: dsplink 1.51: adjust default preference Jul 26 16:47:23 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f7887612a6f 10/packages/mythtv/ (mythtv.inc mythtv/configure.patch mythtv_svn.bb): mythtv: the configure does link tests first (which succeed) and then goes to check if the lib exists in LDPATH. This is bogus, so rig the path check. Jul 26 16:47:27 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bbfe19f04ce 10/packages/mythtv/mythtv/configure.patch: mythtv: don't use 'uname' when cross compiling Jul 26 16:47:30 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r73755b43b90a 10/packages/mythtv/mythtv_svn.bb: mythtv: pass --arch as well as --cpu Jul 26 16:47:32 Chocky, yeah... the ifconfig usb0 doesnt say any IP either Jul 26 16:47:33 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra24a97c9e9ab 10/conf/machine/neuros-osd2.conf: neuros-osd2: recommend dsplink modules Jul 26 16:47:36 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4fb7edb215b0 10/packages/tasks/ (task-base.bb task-boot.bb): task-boot,base: bump PR Jul 26 16:47:49 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r208e0255180d 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV Jul 26 16:47:50 MTrevi: please don't assume what is and isn't working. you said you can't ping the IP you have for DNS. clearly then DNS will not work Jul 26 16:47:52 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r22f4b95f0c9b 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 3 dirs): linux-openmoko[-devel]: add squashfs to both builds, refactor more common stuff into the .inc file Jul 26 16:47:55 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c0a1763256e 10/packages/linux/linux-openmoko.inc: linux-openmoko.inc: add audio modules for both kernels, lets ses whether the right thing happens @ runtime Jul 26 16:47:58 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * re78a2842bf9a 10/packages/linux/ (10 files in 3 dirs): merge of '05c935a7653c0d015e410ba1c92bd8909528d2d0' Jul 26 16:48:01 MTrevi: as I said, use whatever your desktop is using for DNS Jul 26 16:48:01 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b36f4cd0443 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc davinci: more configure params Jul 26 16:48:06 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r0671222a8f91 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '21552d6d6a52b72f70dbeebd78da48da3acf2af8' Jul 26 16:48:15 spydon: perhaps ifup usb0 on the phone. Jul 26 16:48:17 openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r363e19584fb9 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fix ARCH_FLAGS_FOR_TARGET and --with-build-sysroot on gcc 4.3.1. Jul 26 16:48:20 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2bfb64a062e8 10/packages/qt4/ (13 files in 2 dirs): qt4 x11 free: add 4.4.0 Jul 26 16:48:21 vlc is in the distro???? Jul 26 16:48:23 openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a7d47836741 10/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb: zhone: depend on python-cairo for graphs Jul 26 16:48:26 openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openmoko.dev * r3e829dbb5bda 10/ (52 files in 20 dirs): merge of '832167cf1cc0ab655072532b7c546a8a25821e44' Jul 26 16:48:29 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r26eb0b4ea461 10/packages/dsplink/dsplink_1.51.00.08.bb: dsplink: fix preference typo Jul 26 16:48:29 Zorkman: !!! Jul 26 16:48:31 CIA-46 = bot for spitting out git pushes? Jul 26 16:48:34 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r4af0abaa9319 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc: add more configure flags, bump SRCREV Jul 26 16:48:39 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r43cf02f607cf 10/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb: merge of '344b86124dcdb7509a844c86928cdee99994139d' Jul 26 16:48:39 chat did i do wrong this time? Jul 26 16:48:42 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re5866e41bbcf 10/packages/mythtv/ (mythtv/configure.patch mythtv/ifdef-qt.diff mythtv_svn.bb): mythtv: disable opengl since qt4 doesn't build QtOpenGL Jul 26 16:48:42 *what Jul 26 16:48:47 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.dev * r43dec0a94285 10/ (73 files in 29 dirs): merge of 'd99c8702df0201605c294d4a9f65791562789838' Jul 26 16:48:50 (102 lines omitted) Jul 26 16:48:52 Chocky: I've done that Jul 26 16:49:04 Chocky, ifup: misplaced option "gateway" Jul 26 16:49:13 MTrevi: and can you ping _that_ ip Jul 26 16:49:18 of course Jul 26 16:49:19 spydon: looks like you made a typo Jul 26 16:49:27 all the networking works Jul 26 16:49:28 spydon: and does DNS now work? Jul 26 16:49:30 good. Jul 26 16:49:32 just the resolution has problems Jul 26 16:49:39 er. Jul 26 16:49:45 you are being contradictory Jul 26 16:49:53 either it works, or it doesn't Jul 26 16:49:57 http://www.tikaro.com/2008/07/velcro-backed-qrcode-patches-t.html wonder how long til aftermarket freerunner cams Jul 26 16:50:00 well, all but the dns resolving :P Jul 26 16:50:06 *facepalm* Jul 26 16:50:08 so I can ping any IP Jul 26 16:50:19 I repeat, again. _can_ you ping your DNS IP? Jul 26 16:50:22 from the freerunner? Jul 26 16:50:25 but my freerunner doesn't like "words" :P Jul 26 16:50:26 yes Jul 26 16:50:34 Chocky, nope Jul 26 16:50:52 i was just running the qt build and there doesn't seem to be a keyboard or a terminal Jul 26 16:50:55 where are they? Jul 26 16:51:01 MTrevi: and this IP is _exactly_ the same as for your desktop DNS IP? Jul 26 16:51:31 spydon: nope what? as I said, you probably have a typo. Jul 26 16:51:39 spyre: you changed something, somewhere :o Jul 26 16:51:45 * Chocky spanks bitchx Jul 26 16:51:50 Chocky, spydon: and does DNS now work? Jul 26 16:52:04 Chocky, I think I now where, I shall check it Jul 26 16:52:06 spyre: misdirected. sorry Jul 26 16:52:06 yes Chocky Jul 26 16:52:10 sypdon. Jul 26 16:52:14 so confused! Jul 26 16:52:17 ah ok ^^ Jul 26 16:52:17 I've done exactly the same things I did yesterday Jul 26 16:52:22 (when it worked) Jul 26 16:52:27 but now I can't resolve Jul 26 16:52:37 I've a different kernel/image, but that's strange Jul 26 16:52:46 MTrevi: here is a stupid question. what is your desktop's DNS IP? and can your desktop resolve? Jul 26 16:53:00 yes Jul 26 16:53:06 I wouldn't be there :P Jul 26 16:53:10 you might be. Jul 26 16:53:29 (yeah, but not with easy moves) Jul 26 16:53:35 hmm Jul 26 16:53:37 what is the _exact_ contents of /etc/resolv.conf on your FR? Jul 26 16:53:49 the default ui is rather slow, are the other images faster? Jul 26 16:53:57 ronny: er, um. maybe :o Jul 26 16:54:02 actually nameserver 208.67.222.222 Jul 26 16:54:16 but also using nameserver 192.168.10.1 I get the same thing Jul 26 16:54:38 MTrevi: I suspect some firewall rule. what distro? Jul 26 16:54:47 ubuntu Jul 26 16:55:04 any junk in "iptables -t nat -L -v -n"? Jul 26 16:55:14 ronny: qtopia.net Jul 26 16:55:25 well my /etc/network/interfaces says gateway 192.168.0.200 but that isnt in the wiki anymore, shall I remove that from the file? Jul 26 16:55:45 spydon: no Jul 26 16:55:59 spydon: that might be an oversight on my part. Jul 26 16:56:11 Ok Jul 26 16:56:16 thewtex: whats the correct image for a moko to install then ? Jul 26 16:56:16 Chocky: did you remove it from the wiki? Jul 26 16:56:21 it should be there, yes. I don't think the wiki actually mentions modifying that file ;-) Jul 26 16:57:05 ronny: see 'Latest images' page on the wiki Jul 26 16:57:23 thewtex: no, as I say. The wiki doesn't mention modifying it. In most cases, you don't need to. Jul 26 16:57:23 well Chocky maybe I've some junk there Jul 26 16:57:26 mhmhmh Jul 26 16:57:39 MTrevi: look for some UDP stuff. Jul 26 16:57:43 Chocky: yes, i think it is default that way Jul 26 16:57:57 But how is it possible that I cant even ping localhost? :P Jul 26 16:58:11 localhost is a different interface Jul 26 16:58:13 lo Jul 26 16:58:23 thewtex: shoudl i use tha asu image or the qtopia.net one ? Jul 26 16:58:33 ronny: probably ASU. Jul 26 16:58:40 Chocky, ah ok but I cant ping 192.168.0.202 either :S Jul 26 16:58:56 spydon: ah yes, I mean if that file has errors, then it maybe that neither are confiugured Jul 26 16:58:58 hi again... I was just trying to set the volume using alsamixer per the getting started page Jul 26 16:59:14 hmk Jul 26 16:59:14 my headphones and PCM are already set at 100% and there is no mic2... what do I do now? Jul 26 17:00:02 Yanroy: I think that ALSA is ongoing pain. I don't have an answer. Jul 26 17:00:24 ok, so the wiki is just wrong and no one knows what it's supposed to say? :) Jul 26 17:00:49 the wiki could easliy be out of date. I suspect someone does know. but it might be in flux. Jul 26 17:00:55 ronny if you want fast, use the qtopia.net one Jul 26 17:01:15 Yanroy: "alsamixer -V all" to see mic2. By default it only shows the "playback" controls Jul 26 17:01:19 Yanroy: there were some mails about the alsamixer lately on the mailinglist Jul 26 17:01:24 ha, han hexpert Jul 26 17:01:26 ah, thanks mmontour Jul 26 17:01:43 Zorkman: yeah, I know... I've read everything on the community list in the past 3 months Jul 26 17:01:59 and I do mean everything. except for that thread about wiki maintainer, cuz it was boring Jul 26 17:02:30 * Yanroy doesn't get any work done at work Jul 26 17:02:40 yanory: hell, you must be bored even without that ;-) Jul 26 17:02:41 same here, i should have better used my time to learn how to work with linux :) Jul 26 17:03:24 Can someone tell me how the /etc/network/interfaces should look like? :P Jul 26 17:03:58 i will pastebin mine Jul 26 17:04:05 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ref192e4f778c 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.vala: remove hardcoding of config file path Jul 26 17:04:26 is anyone in this chat room on IRC from their FR? :D Jul 26 17:04:29 Yanroy: what a stupid thread :p Jul 26 17:04:34 I have in the past. Jul 26 17:04:40 Though not a FR Jul 26 17:04:41 http://pastebin.com/m3158bc98 Jul 26 17:05:10 Zorkman, thx, that fixes it :D Jul 26 17:05:24 I had replaced the whole file with just the gatewat row :P Jul 26 17:05:53 spydon: so what exactly was wrong? Jul 26 17:05:53 spydon: as I recall, the instructions are a bit vague on that... I almost did the same thing. perhaps you should make them clearer :) Jul 26 17:06:36 * Chocky is real keen on making the USB networking instructions exact, not everyone's random experience ;-) Jul 26 17:06:38 Chocky: you was right... It was an ipfilter issue Jul 26 17:06:45 MTrevi: whee. Jul 26 17:06:49 Chocky, My interface file was just one row: gateway 192.168.0.200 :P Jul 26 17:06:54 I wasn't able to fix it in my gutsy pc, but it works well in my feisty based notebook Jul 26 17:06:58 spyre: ah, I see. gotcha Jul 26 17:06:58 thanks Jul 26 17:07:05 er, spydon Jul 26 17:07:08 hooray! Jul 26 17:07:12 the u-boot file names on buildhost.openmoko are _wrong_ Jul 26 17:07:21 the version is different Jul 26 17:07:29 however, neither flushing the iptables rules I have here fixed with gutsy... I'll see later for a fix Jul 26 17:07:32 uboot is a bit in flux right now. Jul 26 17:07:52 MTrevi: maybe you have a DENY policy on the tables Jul 26 17:08:59 thewtex: Booting from SD page looks a bit more sane :o Jul 26 17:09:14 does anyone know about patches for navit Freerunner ? Jul 26 17:09:26 Chocky: trying to keep it that way :P Jul 26 17:09:34 Chocky: trying to boot kernel off ext2 Jul 26 17:09:46 Chocky: is that possible? Jul 26 17:09:49 it's like the broken windows syndrome. if it's broken, people add crap. if it's good, people tend to keep it that way Jul 26 17:10:03 it certainly is. I'm boot from ext3, but I don't thing that matters too much Jul 26 17:10:05 for Debian Jul 26 17:10:11 just loaded the 'latest' uboot Jul 26 17:10:29 I'm using a uboot someone gave me. I don't know if the daily has all the bits in - it's supposed to Jul 26 17:11:16 I was going to add some explicit stuff for booting Debian. Jul 26 17:11:24 Chocky: can you help me out in updating the 'Booting from SD' page Jul 26 17:11:26 although that's not really any different to booting anything else Jul 26 17:11:28 Oh-er! Jul 26 17:11:41 I will, but I need to check a few things out. Jul 26 17:11:51 * swc|666 has been happily booting debain from sd for a month Jul 26 17:11:53 SpeedEvil: missus! Jul 26 17:12:03 Chocky: can you please do 'version' from your u-boot Jul 26 17:12:15 swc|666: yes, there's a couple of ways. but some of them are more complex than others. Jul 26 17:12:27 how so Jul 26 17:12:29 thewtex: right now, no. and serial access was horrifically broken. Jul 26 17:12:30 Chocky: and please list the menu_# lines from printenv Jul 26 17:12:30 ez Jul 26 17:12:35 swc|666: question. Jul 26 17:12:45 .. Jul 26 17:12:53 Chocky: what about usb Jul 26 17:13:16 thewtex: by "serial" I mean the ttyACM USB stuff. Jul 26 17:13:28 perhaps using the "serial" option would be better. is that ttyUSB0? Jul 26 17:13:33 * Chocky not tried Jul 26 17:13:40 has the page for known working sims been taken down? i can't seem to find it Jul 26 17:13:41 Chocky: what part is broken Jul 26 17:13:54 the last character you typed doesn't show until you type the next one. Jul 26 17:14:12 and you can't really cut and paste. I had to type the uboot command I needed exactly. took me 6 tries. Jul 26 17:14:41 Chocky: didyou try /dev/ttyACM0 Jul 26 17:14:54 this may all be a function of the version I tried. I don't want to write anything definitive until I try the offical versions. Jul 26 17:14:57 yes, that's what I said :p Jul 26 17:15:01 Chocky: same here when i did it from OS X, but minicom seems better on a (nix box Jul 26 17:15:05 cut/paste Jul 26 17:15:25 to make things worse, minicom's wrapping has never been good. Jul 26 17:15:50 true... but break it down to a couple lines Jul 26 17:15:58 anyway. all in good time. I want the wiki to be exact, so just some stuff I remembered. Jul 26 17:16:01 then save and do printenv to make sure its good Jul 26 17:16:19 Chocky: I am using cu, and it works fine Jul 26 17:16:28 thewtex: cu had same problems. anyway. Jul 26 17:16:31 screen also worked Jul 26 17:16:39 * Chocky is allergic to screen. Jul 26 17:17:08 anyway, my immediate focus is improving the Debian stuff. everything else in good time. Jul 26 17:18:15 i get these new errors with opkg upgrade http://pastebin.com/m746036d5 Jul 26 17:18:19 does openmoko have a web browser yet? Jul 26 17:18:31 anyone knows which one i have to selecT? Jul 26 17:18:34 There's a terminal program called "neocon" in the OM svn tree. It has an option to add a per-character delay, and this should allow you to copy/paste commands into u-boot (though I haven't tried it myself) Jul 26 17:19:55 is there a vim package for FR? I'm getting pretty sick of vi, with all it's lack of colors and undo support :P Jul 26 17:20:01 its :p Jul 26 17:20:03 opkg install nano Jul 26 17:20:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rdff7c9a416ae 10/data/images/button_sms.png: bring back sms button Jul 26 17:20:14 no, not nano... Jul 26 17:21:09 slango: yeah, there's 2 browsers. check the getting started wiki page for instructions Jul 26 17:21:14 3 :o Jul 26 17:21:22 Firefox in latest ASU Jul 26 17:21:33 firefox refuses to start here Jul 26 17:21:41 here too, but that wasn't the question ;-) Jul 26 17:21:47 :) Jul 26 17:21:57 * Chocky hasn't looked why, although I do happen to know quite a bit about its internals Jul 26 17:22:12 actually three browsers, 2007.2 also has one Jul 26 17:22:24 oh, you already typed it :) need to read more carfully Jul 26 17:24:25 ohai Jul 26 17:24:29 the qqtopia image is weird, spws a few pages of kernel errors Jul 26 17:24:59 what do i have to prefer: libfreet.so.0.5.0 or libfreet.so.0 ? Jul 26 17:25:15 I seem to have broken all sound on my FR... can someone send me a copy of gsmhandset.state that works? (preferably with decent volume) Jul 26 17:25:24 can alsamixer even do that? or should I try a reboot? Jul 26 17:25:24 opkg -force-depends remove freet Jul 26 17:26:26 i still get the same errors Choky Jul 26 17:29:18 ronny: did you use the kernel that it comes with Jul 26 17:29:50 a reboot got my the tapping sound back, but I still can't hear anyone when I dial out... Jul 26 17:29:59 where can I get a fixed file? Jul 26 17:30:01 thewtex: yeah Jul 26 17:30:16 thewtex: once its started it kicks ass tho Jul 26 17:30:27 I'm about to leave the house... I'd really prefer to not have to take my old phone :P Jul 26 17:30:28 its nice & fast Jul 26 17:30:35 can anyone recommend me a tiny good usb cam to connect to the openmoko ? Jul 26 17:31:05 gmm Jul 26 17:31:23 the qtopia stuff seems to be generaly like ____years____ more mature Jul 26 17:32:17 ronny: agreed Jul 26 17:34:48 That's not very strange, since the qtopia code has been worked on a few years more ;) Jul 26 17:34:55 muh. Jul 26 17:35:39 what exactly is the issue with not just adapting qtopia ? Jul 26 17:35:54 * Chocky frowns at EmDebian Jul 26 17:36:30 ronny: How d'ya mean? :) Jul 26 17:37:12 leinir: well, if qtopia is already that good, why create a separate stack ? Jul 26 17:37:29 I think the history is a lot more complex than that. Jul 26 17:37:36 ronny: evolution. Jul 26 17:37:36 Indeed :) Jul 26 17:37:43 'cause it's not, and limited Jul 26 17:37:43 dcordes: Not quite enough :) Jul 26 17:37:45 there's some verbiage about it on the wiki Jul 26 17:37:56 ronny: huh? qtopia has been adapted and you can use it Jul 26 17:38:03 zhone is the way to go Jul 26 17:38:04 There was a huge thread about the politics behind it as well on the community list :) Jul 26 17:39:00 ronny: they are moving to qtopia, but the orig qtopia works on a framebuffer, and they are trying to get it to work on X Jul 26 17:39:16 There's also some licensing fun Jul 26 17:39:31 With qtopia, it's either GPL or pay the Qties :) Jul 26 17:39:41 there's also some fun with it not being completely usable which i believe is the main reason Jul 26 17:39:50 thewtex, moving through it rather... Jul 26 17:40:01 qtopia already works fine on X, they're fixing its shortcommings Jul 26 17:40:07 While i personally like that idea, i can see why a capitalist wouldn't enjoy that concept too much :) Jul 26 17:40:57 leinir: I can't see why Jul 26 17:41:27 thewtex: If you want to keep your own code closed, you can't base it on the GPLed version, and as such will need to pay :) Jul 26 17:41:47 leinir: capitalists use the GPL too Jul 26 17:41:55 If you could choose between not paying (LGPL for example) and paying (dual-license) which would you choose? :) Jul 26 17:42:14 under communism, man works for man. Under capitalism, the reverse Jul 26 17:42:27 Yes, but as with socialism, there are different types of capitalism :) Jul 26 17:42:28 for backing up contacts/etc if i just backup /home/root that should cover it, right? Jul 26 17:42:36 Chocky: Bah, the c word :P Jul 26 17:42:51 Chocky: that makes no sense Jul 26 17:42:55 That's the thing, communism is a type of applied socialism Jul 26 17:42:58 ah, under socialism, the inverse Jul 26 17:43:02 leinir: i dont care for gpl ;P Jul 26 17:43:40 I don't mind GPL, but I don't care for GPL weenies. nor freeloading weenies either. Jul 26 17:44:15 as far as I care, GPL is a tool. not a way of life ;-) Jul 26 17:44:31 * BryceLeo agrees with chocky Jul 26 17:45:38 ronny: But, the simple version is, openmoko didn't like being tied to the GPL, so they had no choice but to do something new :) Jul 26 17:46:00 hmk Jul 26 17:46:17 the qtopia stack was pretty much freed as a reaction to openmoko, though.. Jul 26 17:46:38 not really. Jul 26 17:46:45 but anyway, I don't mind its license, it's just that the qtopia is a noninteroperable monolith Jul 26 17:46:52 qtiopia stack is GPL3..... Jul 26 17:46:59 we had been planning on doing it. Jul 26 17:47:01 or is that just qt4 Jul 26 17:47:10 thats just qt4 Jul 26 17:47:12 well, it just works and is fast Jul 26 17:47:28 lpotter: what is qtopia stact then? lgpl? Jul 26 17:47:29 ronny: Indeed, which is part of why i use it :) (the other is that i really like Qt ;) ) Jul 26 17:47:50 moose! Jul 26 17:47:50 i'd prefer if gtk stopped to suck Jul 26 17:48:00 its way more fun to use gtk from python Jul 26 17:48:10 Chocky: you've been watching too much Invader Zim... well, if that were possible anyway ;) Jul 26 17:48:21 sadly, I don't know what that is Jul 26 17:48:23 a moose once bit my sister Jul 26 17:48:23 ronny: How do you mean? Jul 26 17:48:43 Chocky: You must go out and find Invader Zim - it's a pre-spongebob nikelodeon series :) Jul 26 17:48:45 * Chocky clearly not cultered Jul 26 17:48:46 qtopia is gpl Jul 26 17:48:48 how accurate is openmoko's gps ? Jul 26 17:48:51 she was trying to carve her initials on it with a sharpened end of a toothbrush Jul 26 17:48:54 * Chocky is more Ren and Stimpy Jul 26 17:48:56 leinir: gtk is way better bindable to any dynamic language Jul 26 17:49:12 ronny: Because it's pure C and thus doesn't have a proper hierachial layout? Jul 26 17:49:33 WorldDomination: i dend to see accuracy within 60 ft or so Jul 26 17:49:37 tend* Jul 26 17:49:40 uh oh, language war! Jul 26 17:49:45 leinir: it has a propper hierachial layout, but you can do polimorphic inheritance with it easyly :) Jul 26 17:49:49 ok that's realistic Jul 26 17:50:09 Chocky: Nah, just requesting infos :) Jul 26 17:50:16 leinir: subclassing a polimorphic class from c++ in python is basically impossible Jul 26 17:50:19 AntonTakk: I want to use a very lightweight but high quality (high resolution) camera with the openmoko - would you have any recommendations ? Jul 26 17:50:35 ronny: obscure language statement of the week. Jul 26 17:50:35 unfortunately, no Jul 26 17:50:43 hm Jul 26 17:50:47 hmk Jul 26 17:50:52 WorldDomination: go to someplace like geeks.com and look through the webcams Jul 26 17:50:59 thanks bryce Jul 26 17:51:17 just don't go to geeks.com in person today. Unless you want to wait in line for 30 mins. Jul 26 17:51:29 WorldDomination: main thing to look for would be compatability with linux and it's software apps/libs for digital cams Jul 26 17:51:32 WorldDomination, you mean a webcam? Be aware that many (most?) don't dish out at least high-quality images over usb 1.1, just 2.0 Jul 26 17:51:33 Chocky: geeks.com has a retail store? Jul 26 17:51:38 bascially one can propperly subclass polyimorphic gtk types in dynamic languages while one can't subclass polymorphic c++ types in dynamic languages Jul 26 17:51:40 well, warehouse. Jul 26 17:51:43 it's in Oceanside, CA Jul 26 17:51:47 mjr openmoko got 2.0 ? Jul 26 17:51:51 hence the wait. Jul 26 17:51:55 hm Jul 26 17:52:00 Chocky: you can actually go there and get stuff? wow, that's pretty cool Jul 26 17:52:02 with small store front. Jul 26 17:52:03 WorldDomination: Only 1.1. Jul 26 17:52:08 ok... Jul 26 17:52:15 bluetooth maybe... Jul 26 17:52:25 WorldDomination, if it did, you wouldn't have to be aware of it, now would you Jul 26 17:52:48 I doubt there are bt webcams, and it'd be slow anyway Jul 26 17:52:51 mjr - well you could have told me that to watch out for the cams to be usb 2.0 Jul 26 17:53:19 WorldDomination, I could have, but it wouldn't have been informative. Jul 26 17:53:39 it is, if you dont trust the market. Jul 26 17:53:46 mjr i'm confused... 2.0 is backward compatible Jul 26 17:53:47 whatever :) Jul 26 17:53:52 mostly. Jul 26 17:53:53 Does somebody know which package the pty Python module belongs to? Jul 26 17:54:08 WorldDomination, you haven't understood what has been said, hth Jul 26 17:54:29 hmm Jul 26 17:54:47 BryceLeo, yeah just that the cameras tend to want the computer to be able to read the raw data pretty quickly off of them, not needing to buffer it Jul 26 17:55:23 mjr: hmm.... i've never actually experienced this phenomona but i can understand why it would happen Jul 26 17:55:30 how do i exit a 'mtest start' in uboot Jul 26 17:55:50 leinir: how good is powermanagement in the qtopia images atm ? Jul 26 17:57:04 oh, well, fantastic! i'm a moron Jul 26 17:57:19 * AntonTakk just flashed a kernel to the rootfs partition :) Jul 26 17:57:29 hmm Jul 26 17:57:39 AntonTakk: sweet Jul 26 17:58:12 * AntonTakk fixes Jul 26 17:58:19 my current view on openmoko is basically 4 years of time for messing it all up :/ Jul 26 17:58:47 ronny: explain? Jul 26 17:59:50 when extracting rootfs.tar.gz on device, I get tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors, why? Jul 26 18:00:37 because there was an error you're not sharing with us Jul 26 18:00:39 AntonTakk: well, since the hardware is more usable with 3rd party software, what else should i think Jul 26 18:00:51 any of you use qtopia? does it do gsm/gprs connections concurrently? Jul 26 18:01:14 such as the SD being full. but please give us more details instead of having us guess. Jul 26 18:01:18 ronny: that the hardware was ready before the software Jul 26 18:01:55 mjr: it is informative to know that USB 2.0 does not support a transfer rate high enough for high resolution cam units. It is thus informative, for someone who doesnt know. I didn't know. That's why it was informative. Jul 26 18:01:55 ronny: JUST LIKE IT SAYS ON THE WIKI :) Jul 26 18:01:57 enough said. Jul 26 18:02:17 Can anyone point me to where the qtopia (not asu) daily builds are being posted? Jul 26 18:02:37 gmaxwell: there may not be such a thing. Jul 26 18:02:43 IIRc, there's some moose about that. Jul 26 18:02:44 gmaxwell, this is what I am trying: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner#Unpacking_the_Qtopia_Root_Filesystem_Image Jul 26 18:02:44 WorldDomination, that's not what I said and is untrue, which illustrates nicely my previous statement. 'nuff indeed. Jul 26 18:02:51 Chocky, hmph. Someone was telling me there was.... Jul 26 18:02:52 gmaxwell: i didn't know there were qtopia dailys, but go to qtopia.net if you want latest stable :) Jul 26 18:03:06 AntonTakk: still, there was 4 years of time to get the software done Jul 26 18:03:28 waiting for qtopia.net to do stuff isn't ideal for OpenMoko development either :o Jul 26 18:03:35 ronny: true, and for a lot of people it is usable as a daily phone Jul 26 18:03:45 it's just not quite complete Jul 26 18:04:38 ronny: software development over such a long period is always complete, convoluted and full of bad decisions. legal things change, company attitudes change, hardware suppliers change, targets change. Jul 26 18:04:43 I'm using mine as a daily phone. FWIW. Though I hit an annoying glitch with qtopia the other day: if I bring up the keypad while on a call the last two rows of buttons are off the bottom of the screen, so I couldn't send a dtmf 7, for example. :) Jul 26 18:04:46 s/complete/complex Jul 26 18:05:16 odd. i havent seen that at all Jul 26 18:05:24 gmaxwell: how well does gprs work in qtopia? Jul 26 18:05:47 AntonTakk, dunno. Haven't used it.. just using it as a phone. Jul 26 18:05:54 ah Jul 26 18:06:01 hmm, well gona test asu now Jul 26 18:06:10 * AntonTakk has unlimited data plan and would like to make use of it :) Jul 26 18:06:35 ronny: asu is what I have been using as my every day phone, the daily from 7/15 works rather well for me Jul 26 18:07:35 hm. perhaps I'll give ASU a shot. Jul 26 18:07:38 what parts/aspects of the openmoko seem to be particularly reliable/stable ? Jul 26 18:07:44 AntonTakk, where are the ASU builds? Jul 26 18:08:09 gmaxwell: same place as the 2007.2 dailys Jul 26 18:08:21 buildhost.openmoko.org? Jul 26 18:08:23 * thewtex starts using neocon, and thank mmontour for the hint Jul 26 18:08:28 i don't remember off the top of my head Jul 26 18:08:46 AntonTakk: they dont seem to be in the dayly builds :/ Jul 26 18:09:57 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080715/ Jul 26 18:09:58 ah, they are outdated Jul 26 18:10:06 2007.2 and asu in there Jul 26 18:10:12 latest i found is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 26 18:10:31 they use the same kernel as the 2007.2 ? Jul 26 18:10:35 (OH NO! four days old!!!) Jul 26 18:10:41 ronny: yeah Jul 26 18:11:07 AntonTakk: this is soo old, its basically made on my granny's days ;P Jul 26 18:11:20 humpf. EmDebian seems not to be armel Jul 26 18:13:26 Chocky, http://pastebin.ca/1083624 Jul 26 18:14:05 like I said, there's an error earlier. Jul 26 18:14:10 edistar: ./opt/Qtopia/pics/phone/icons/outgoingcall.pic: Cannot write: Input/output error Jul 26 18:14:22 -edistar Jul 26 18:20:23 well, I could try the ARM fs I just built :o Jul 26 18:21:22 weeee... latest qtopia image seems to be scrolling constant panics.. joy Jul 26 18:21:29 sweet Jul 26 18:24:33 Is there no terminal app for ASU? I tried installing python-terminal hoping that would be one but not seeing it. Jul 26 18:25:12 xterm Jul 26 18:25:55 Hmm...that's not in my package list. Does it require an extra repository? Jul 26 18:26:02 might Jul 26 18:26:15 there was a post about updated ASU repository stuff Jul 26 18:26:24 I don't know if it's been wikied Jul 26 18:26:58 anyone know how to add files to the qtopia media player playlist? Jul 26 18:27:18 gmaxwell: add them to the sd card or ~/Documents Jul 26 18:27:23 qmax: heh, no :-( Jul 26 18:27:32 I think it makes some path assumptions Jul 26 18:27:33 okay, maybe you would have some info on how I can set a X11 forwarding session to DISPLAY:0. There is no /etc/ssh folder or bashrc file in home so I'm not sure where to set that variable? Jul 26 18:27:53 lpotter, I have a bunch of ogg/vorbis files on the root dir of my SD but they aren't showing up. Jul 26 18:27:53 Centaur5: USB networking page on wiki. updated yesterday Jul 26 18:27:59 the opkgs get updated every few days. is there someone who writes blog posts about whats new with the openmoko software? Jul 26 18:28:12 donomo: wiki :o Jul 26 18:28:12 gmaxwell: you may have to click on the devtools->rescan documents Jul 26 18:28:36 donomo: it's all a bit fragmented, so it's a bit hard for anyone to keep up. I'm trying however Jul 26 18:28:53 Chocky: cool. is there a good starting point in the wiki? Jul 26 18:29:01 getting started guide ;-) Jul 26 18:29:07 and also the recent changes on the wiki Jul 26 18:29:13 Chocky: :) im looking at recent changes Jul 26 18:29:16 Chocky: That's beautiful, thanks for that info. Jul 26 18:29:31 Chocky: nothing seems obvious as to whats changed in the new kernel thats installing in my freerunner right now :) Jul 26 18:29:37 donomo: aye Jul 26 18:29:47 lpotter, no joy. Alas. In the prior image I was able to find the files but it wouldn't play them Jul 26 18:30:05 (the media player for the gtk software worked fine) Jul 26 18:30:19 is there a fix for: Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 But that file is already provided by package * libncurses5 Jul 26 18:30:35 opkg -force-depends remove ncurses Jul 26 18:30:57 cool thx Jul 26 18:31:01 can calendar options in qtopia be made to display on the home screen? Jul 26 18:31:04 er Jul 26 18:31:08 calendar items Jul 26 18:31:13 ah .. never mind.. it's not mounting my sd card! Jul 26 18:32:08 AntonTakk: yes and no. depending on the theme. I will look into including the 'smart theme' Jul 26 18:32:22 or parts of it Jul 26 18:32:55 thanks, in the mean time, can i get this "smart theme" somewhere and try it out? Jul 26 18:33:11 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Jul 26 18:33:11 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Jul 26 18:33:11 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 Jul 26 18:33:47 gmaxwell: someone's confused or bust. Jul 26 18:33:49 perhaps a reboot Jul 26 18:33:56 it's possible your SD card is toast Jul 26 18:35:35 lpotter: a real homescreen with calendar/todo/etc would be very nice Jul 26 18:35:36 Chocky, Rebooted it.. it worked this time. Odd. Jul 26 18:35:41 yeh Jul 26 18:35:51 something about resume and SD cards recently on the list. Jul 26 18:36:12 lpotter: can you display the content of an incoming sms on the screen?;-) Jul 26 18:36:48 I am sure its possible, but you would need to edit the theme, and currently this is a manual thing. Jul 26 18:37:15 lpotter: why the software application doesnt see the screenshot ipkg, something broken? Jul 26 18:37:35 hmm probably. I fixed it but havent yet updated the feed. Jul 26 18:37:41 lpotter: thanx for the mods on qalsamixer, this is cool Jul 26 18:38:00 that was by the htc-linux guys :) Jul 26 18:38:08 cool. The ogg/vorbis files are playing now. ;) Jul 26 18:38:17 different mixer. same name Jul 26 18:38:33 lpotter: does qtopia run on the htcs Jul 26 18:38:39 yes Jul 26 18:38:50 didnt know that Jul 26 18:39:09 they also did the terminal Jul 26 18:39:25 yes, but i need fixed fonts Jul 26 18:39:47 otherwise i am a little bit lost Jul 26 18:40:21 ya. the fixed font from qtopia 2 work, but they are tiny Jul 26 18:40:22 i also recognized some missbehaviour with the terminal and the keyboard Jul 26 18:40:37 yes. known issue Jul 26 18:41:11 if i try to quit "unregularly", the keyboard is sometime sin the middle Jul 26 18:41:25 and then at the top ... Jul 26 18:43:42 how the heck do i enter my pin on asu Jul 26 18:44:15 evening :) Jul 26 18:44:21 morning Jul 26 18:44:35 this aint fun Jul 26 18:44:39 how can i change the setting for font size globally? Jul 26 18:45:02 giving me a insert boy but no text-input-method is BAD Jul 26 18:45:12 AntonTakk: give me a hint! Jul 26 18:45:13 ok, daily uboot seems ok booting my Debian setup Jul 26 18:45:29 ronny: i don't use a pin Jul 26 18:45:48 * Chocky waves the updated USB networking page at ecraven Jul 26 18:46:36 nice -_- Jul 26 18:46:53 dammit. my desktop USB gets confused by FR sometimes Jul 26 18:47:14 perhaps I need 2.6.26! Jul 26 18:47:30 so for me asu is even more useless compared to the initial firmware Jul 26 18:49:23 ronny: I updated to ASU yesterday and fixed the keyboard by following this http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td580493 Jul 26 18:49:50 ronny: Now that I just got contacts imported thanks to the new USB networking section I'm good to go. Jul 26 18:50:50 :o Jul 26 18:51:27 Thanks Chocky Jul 26 18:51:32 \o/ Jul 26 18:51:55 hi Jul 26 18:52:15 hm.. anyone noticed problems with the SD card lately? mine seems to have stopped working?!? Jul 26 18:53:19 ecraven: have you used it to boot from there? Jul 26 18:53:29 yes Jul 26 18:53:50 now i get "unknown partition table" Jul 26 18:54:01 ...guess what you nned to do Jul 26 18:54:05 need* Jul 26 18:54:12 well...flash devices don't get along with extensive use of filesystems Jul 26 18:54:35 ecraven: repartition the sd card :) Jul 26 18:54:44 wtf, i booted from it three times? Jul 26 18:54:45 what fs type did you used? Jul 26 18:54:49 fat and ext3 Jul 26 18:54:56 ecraven, I think there is some borked interaction with resume and the SD card.. mine was doing that and rebooting it fixedit Jul 26 18:54:59 that's not extensive, is it? Jul 26 18:55:01 you better use ext2 Jul 26 18:55:05 ecraven: check the mailing lists - may be a suspend/resume issue or possibly related to the "drive strength" change to reduce GPS interference Jul 26 18:55:10 not, it isn't... Jul 26 18:55:11 can't, then booting won't work Jul 26 18:56:22 perhaps it just got corrupted because of some misuse. fdisk it again and retry Jul 26 18:56:57 hm.. seems my fat partition still works after repartitioning, but my ext3 partition is gone :( not good Jul 26 18:57:26 journaling fs are no good to flash devices... Jul 26 18:57:46 any of you using the recent 2007.2 dailies? Jul 26 18:57:51 then someone should fix uboot to make it boot from ext2! Jul 26 18:57:57 AntonTakk: sometimes i am Jul 26 18:58:09 ecraven: isn't it fixed? Jul 26 18:58:19 Tm_T: no idea, last time i tried, i could only get it to work with ext3 Jul 26 18:58:21 not ext2 Jul 26 18:58:34 eh, that's nuts Jul 26 18:58:35 no, you should boot from vfat Jul 26 18:58:46 AntonTakk: I do Jul 26 18:58:50 and the second partition could be ext2 now Jul 26 18:58:58 the kernel is on vfat, but the rootfs is ext3 Jul 26 18:58:59 I'm using 2007.2 Jul 26 18:59:03 i tried a week ago, ext2 didn't work Jul 26 18:59:05 correct Jul 26 18:59:25 ecraven: week ago... perhaps it's fixed now? Jul 26 18:59:27 yesterday i've just installed the qtopia image on my sd card Jul 26 18:59:29 tm_t, it displays upcoming calendar entries on the home screen, right? Jul 26 18:59:31 using ext2 Jul 26 18:59:44 mmaestri: thanks, then i'll try again Jul 26 18:59:48 AntonTakk: I don't have calendar entries, so I cannot say Jul 26 18:59:55 AntonTakk: but should Jul 26 19:02:29 anyone have heard/seen something about pyneo? Jul 26 19:04:09 hm.. this "kill the sd card" problem is rather serious.. Jul 26 19:04:13 what's currently the most functional media player, for playing audio? Jul 26 19:04:40 ime, asu/qtopia Jul 26 19:05:15 i tried openmoko-mediaplayer2, but it just has unlableled blank gray squares for buttons, none of which seem to play. Jul 26 19:05:42 next to last played for me, once a song was chosen Jul 26 19:06:02 ecraven: check this Jul 26 19:06:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Preparing_the_SD_Card Jul 26 19:06:17 Note: Since 2008-07-17 the kernel includes support for ext3 and ext2 filesystems. ext2 is recommended because of the finite write life of flash storage. Prior to 2008-07-17, the kernel only came configured with support for ext3. You can check the available filesystems with less /proc/filesystems Jul 26 19:06:58 AntonTakk, is your sound completely distorted and full of pops and crackles? Jul 26 19:07:38 mmaestri: thanks Jul 26 19:07:40 peepsalot: it was with openmoko-mediaplayer2 on asu, was better on 2007.2 as i remember Jul 26 19:08:07 hmm, i'm on 2007.2, even the screen taps make this glitchy sound Jul 26 19:08:14 mmaestri: ext3 should be OK as long as the card performs wear-levelling. I've had an ext3 rootfs on SD since last December with no problems. Jul 26 19:08:25 i hope this sound thing is not a hardware issue Jul 26 19:08:57 peepsalot: that's intentional. edic /etc/pulse....er pulse.something and comment it out at the bottom, startup sound is right there too Jul 26 19:08:58 Chocky, extracted qtopia-4.3.2-rootfs on FR, and it booted fine from SD; problem was extracting on microSD using USB 4-in-1 card-reader Jul 26 19:09:03 later Jul 26 19:09:52 AntonTakk, no, i know it is supposed to make a tap sound, but sometimes the tap sound makes a separate popping noise that is obviously not normal. (not all taps sound the same) Jul 26 19:10:13 oh, that, the same popping as when playing music Jul 26 19:10:18 right Jul 26 19:10:23 i don't think that's hardware Jul 26 19:10:35 since it doesn't happen to me on asu Jul 26 19:11:02 oh i thought you said it was better on 2007.2 Jul 26 19:11:06 no Jul 26 19:11:15 openmoko-mediaplayer2 was Jul 26 19:11:49 Does everybody get all those Error 0 when doing "opkg update"? Jul 26 19:14:49 is the core team officially still developing 2007.2, or is effort on ASU, FSO, or they are just working on 3 distros at once Jul 26 19:20:42 gah damn wifi Jul 26 19:21:11 peepsalot: asu and fso, as i understand it Jul 26 19:21:41 i guess the problem is realted to this: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1193 Jul 26 19:23:17 pulseaudio uses about 24% cpu for me on freerunner. mediaplayer another 25%. so thre is still about 50% unused. i don't really know much about this audio stuff though. Jul 26 19:23:37 is there a sound buffer that could be increased to combat this? Jul 26 19:24:18 the reporter of that bug had a neo1973, but the problem(assuming it's the same issue he's reporting) is still there on freerunner Jul 26 19:27:15 Hi, I'm trying to set up QEMU networking. Anyone here who might be able to help me? Jul 26 19:35:11 whats the name of the default games package in 2007.2? Jul 26 19:37:21 does everybody get error like " * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0" when doing opkg update? :S Jul 26 19:37:26 yes. Jul 26 19:37:30 oh, wait Jul 26 19:37:32 that;s a networking error Jul 26 19:37:53 You've likely forgot to actually enable the forwarding :) Jul 26 19:38:00 or DNS :p Jul 26 19:38:03 hmm but I can ping google from the fr :P Jul 26 19:38:07 Or that :) Jul 26 19:38:12 or fish Jul 26 19:38:39 right, time to change desktop kernel Jul 26 19:38:42 don't wait up for me :p Jul 26 19:38:54 Hehe, have fun! ;) Jul 26 19:39:27 should I be able to ping google even if the forwarding or DNS were wrong/disabled? :S Jul 26 19:39:51 Well, if you're getting a network error on that, it's likely just a temporary glitch :) Jul 26 19:39:54 so there is no dropbear on trolltechs image? Jul 26 19:39:58 spydon: possibly. Jul 26 19:40:05 ah cool found out about hacking the lock screen Jul 26 19:40:08 if you've done something really odd Jul 26 19:40:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker Jul 26 19:40:23 it works here, so it's definitely something screwy with your connection :) Jul 26 19:40:45 hmm weird :P Jul 26 19:41:00 hmk, asu just sucks even more Jul 26 19:41:04 torero: Yes, there is, i just flashed earlier today, have it installed, and i didn't do it manually :) Jul 26 19:41:05 networking page :p Jul 26 19:41:39 Chocky, ive done everything there :P Jul 26 19:41:41 leinir: hmm weird i cant connect,,, Jul 26 19:41:57 leinir: did you do anything special to coonect? Jul 26 19:41:58 hi Jul 26 19:42:44 can I run commands on the freerunner with putty under windows? Jul 26 19:42:44 i found a sim that worked Jul 26 19:42:55 jopk: of course. Jul 26 19:43:00 torero: Nope, but then my distro kinda does a lot of this setting up automatically :) i just has to tell it the IP to use, then enable the device (you'd likely do that through some GUI tool or ifconfig, and then ifup usb0) Jul 26 19:43:04 71234g 3022 Jul 26 19:43:22 leinir: \o/ for hotplug Jul 26 19:43:36 I got a connection, but all commands I tried ->command not found (e.g. date, opkg). why? Jul 26 19:43:37 jopk: Yes, as putty does ssh very nicely :) Jul 26 19:43:48 That i do't know Jul 26 19:43:58 leinir: no, cos it's still Windows :o Jul 26 19:44:00 s/do't/don't/ Jul 26 19:44:01 leinir meant: That i don't know Jul 26 19:44:19 perhaps you blew away $PATH Jul 26 19:44:19 what to do? Jul 26 19:44:22 Chocky: Abolutely \o/ ;) Jul 26 19:44:26 try /bin/ls Jul 26 19:44:33 download a slax cd Jul 26 19:44:47 not using dirty slax. Jul 26 19:45:11 ls works, but not /bin/ls Jul 26 19:45:14 or ark, or kubuntu, or (insert name of preferred distro here) ;) Jul 26 19:45:22 ls is a bash builtin Jul 26 19:45:36 but you don't say how it "doesn't work" Jul 26 19:45:51 I have kubuntu live cd, but every time I reboot I need to reconigure the connection... Jul 26 19:45:57 ... Jul 26 19:46:06 jopk, install it ;) Jul 26 19:46:13 all I get when typing commands is command x not found. Jul 26 19:46:14 install it, read the USB networking page. Jul 26 19:46:59 I going to install gentoo in a month or so, after I upgraded XP to Vista, but at the moment it's importent that I have a running windows :) Jul 26 19:47:05 ricer. Jul 26 19:47:14 downgrade you mean... :P Jul 26 19:47:25 ^^ Jul 26 19:47:33 Debian or Ubuntu if you know what's good for you. Jul 26 19:47:42 or arklinux or archlinux Jul 26 19:47:47 depending on what you want from a distribution Jul 26 19:47:48 pfft. Jul 26 19:47:56 jopk, which IP did you ssh too? Jul 26 19:48:01 Debian can be pretty much anything. Except tiny. Jul 26 19:48:03 distrofight! Jul 26 19:48:08 The only thing gentoo gives you is a lot of time looking at scrolling text ;) Jul 26 19:48:10 fedora rules Jul 26 19:48:19 fedora is inflexible and over complex. Jul 26 19:48:27 yes Jul 26 19:48:31 gentoo gives you freedom and control Jul 26 19:48:32 spydon, 192.168.0.202 Jul 26 19:48:32 but it Just Works Jul 26 19:48:36 slax is simple Jul 26 19:48:40 yet another distro flamewar Jul 26 19:48:44 hehe Jul 26 19:48:47 * Chocky doesn't _want_ the freedom and control gentoo gives me. Jul 26 19:48:47 ^^ Jul 26 19:48:54 slackware IS Jul 26 19:48:55 I have better things to do with my freedom Jul 26 19:49:00 btw. gentoo is the way to go Jul 26 19:49:06 ricers! Jul 26 19:49:22 ubuntu is much better :P Jul 26 19:49:24 Chocky: how often do you write that a day? Jul 26 19:49:25 wat no windows fanboys here Jul 26 19:49:29 I have great holidays, so i'll try gentoo. If it doesn't work I choose e.g. fedora, or s.th. else Jul 26 19:49:41 the reality is however, the Debian and Ubuntu are going to have the best support from people who really know what they are doing. Jul 26 19:49:46 bumbl: 4-5 Jul 26 19:49:52 when u get done try slackware Jul 26 19:49:53 s iis ASU any better than the official trolltech image? Jul 26 19:49:53 Chocky: haha Jul 26 19:50:07 I hope we agree windows and mac os suck most of the time Jul 26 19:50:11 so no ideas how to get this command working under xp? Jul 26 19:50:17 bumbl, yeah Jul 26 19:50:20 at least mac OS has a bash shell Jul 26 19:50:22 bumbl, indeed and tell jopk that ^^ Jul 26 19:50:30 Yanroy: so dows Windows under cygwin :o Jul 26 19:50:34 Chocky: that's a hack Jul 26 19:50:41 Chocky: I should know... I use it 8 hours a day Jul 26 19:50:51 Yanroy: mac still does not have a dns patch Jul 26 19:51:00 yessir, but very useful. and no more a hack than Windows itself Jul 26 19:51:06 plenty of hacks in Linux Jul 26 19:51:08 although there are already exploits around Jul 26 19:52:00 firt boot with openmoko. how can i check the battery status? I want to know when the battery is full. Jul 26 19:52:15 ogai_: there's a little green bar in the top righ tcorner Jul 26 19:53:12 * Chocky just finished spanking people in OpenArea :o Jul 26 19:53:17 open version of Q3 Jul 26 19:53:21 OpenArena Jul 26 19:53:26 Chocky: debian might be nice but I don't like the syntax of apt and dpkg (my opinion; i am writing this from a sidux box) Jul 26 19:53:27 the sms tool doesn't work with the shipped image. does an opkg update/upgrade fix this? Jul 26 19:53:52 jopk: it worked for me... Jul 26 19:53:58 bumbl: dselect, aptitude, various GUI installers. Jul 26 19:54:08 Chocky, Sauerbraten rules Jul 26 19:54:11 jopk: but an upgrade to a daily is something I would recommend anyways, from my limited experience (only had the phone 2 days) Jul 26 19:54:28 Chocky: ppl who use guis are lusers Jul 26 19:54:29 Yanroy, the icon shows a battery with a white lightning on a black background, no status. Or does it mean full? Jul 26 19:54:39 * Chocky is a luser Jul 26 19:54:45 Yanroy, but no chance with damn XP Jul 26 19:54:50 Chocky: I hate guis for packet management Jul 26 19:54:52 ogai_: that means charging. to see the status, I think you have to unplug the charging cable. either that or read something from sysfs by hand (dunno how) Jul 26 19:54:55 ogai_, i think that means it's charging Jul 26 19:55:08 i'm slow Jul 26 19:55:14 sidux is nice, debian is nice, ubuntu is a mess that breaks every 6 months -- people use the ubuntu made the OM build environment which is why it is such a complicated, awkward, broken mess Jul 26 19:55:19 peepslowlot Jul 26 19:55:35 * Yanroy agrees with thewtex Jul 26 19:55:51 original OE stuff was made by Debian people before Ubuntu existed Jul 26 19:56:15 so, I was playing with alsamixer earlier and now I can't hear any sound when I call someone. dunno if they can hear me... I've been testing with google 411 :P Jul 26 19:56:27 any thoughts on how I can fix it and/or can someone send me a gsmhandset.state that works? Jul 26 19:56:54 Chocky: ubuntu is descended from debian, right? Jul 26 19:57:01 yessir Jul 26 19:57:15 Better dressed offspring. Jul 26 19:57:19 eh Jul 26 19:57:25 but less flexible Jul 26 19:57:25 is it possible to change the audio buffer size? Jul 26 19:57:25 peepsalot, Yanroy thx. Jul 26 19:57:29 of all the distros I've used, ubuntu is the one I hate the most Jul 26 19:57:45 * peepsalot uses Ubuntu Jul 26 19:57:49 nothing works out of the box on either my laptop or desktop Jul 26 19:58:02 freedoom Jul 26 19:58:05 nothing does on Debian either, that's cos you usually have few things by default ;-) Jul 26 19:58:18 but that's simply a matter of install, not config Jul 26 19:59:28 how to get a proper keyboard layout on the console, and not the numeric one with letters under the numbers? Jul 26 19:59:39 ogai_: getting started guide Jul 26 19:59:42 so, gsmhandset.state, anyone? I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but this is kinda an important problem for me... Jul 26 20:00:42 has anyone successfully used the FR as a speakerphone? Jul 26 20:02:59 hmm, back to the orginal ui Jul 26 20:03:21 ronny: hehe... I went through that yesterday Jul 26 20:03:54 Yanroy: qtopia cant do gps atm Jul 26 20:04:08 and qtopia is the most mature thing one can put in the moko Jul 26 20:04:10 ronny: I switched because I couldn't get a keyboard Jul 26 20:04:22 I was using ASU Jul 26 20:04:26 Yanroy: if speakerphone means phone, me Jul 26 20:04:29 asu is fail Jul 26 20:04:50 mmaestri: I mean the kind of phone where you leave it on the table and talk instead of holding it up to your ear Jul 26 20:05:09 oh, that. didn't tried yet Jul 26 20:05:16 ronny: yep... and it seems to me (just from the UI, I havne't looked at the code) that it's mostly bad code that's the problem, not incomplete features Jul 26 20:05:45 mmaestri: would you be able to send me some functional settings for alsamixer? I can't get any audio from phone calls anymore after playing with the settings Jul 26 20:05:53 * kd8ikt senses massive feedback/echo's with speakerphone Jul 26 20:06:19 damnit i can hear myself talking! turn that shit off! Jul 26 20:06:21 kd8ikt: most speakerphones include either echo cancellation (expensive ones) or they don't allow you to talk when the other person is talkling (they just turn off the mic) Jul 26 20:07:31 whole thing that makes a phone good is its full duplex Jul 26 20:07:48 you can talk and listen at the same time Jul 26 20:07:48 only if you're arguing with someone Jul 26 20:08:03 i need the openmoko to stably provide: GPS, CAM over USB, stable Internet connection, enough power to compress images coming from the cpu cam. there is absolutely NO failure-tolerance, NONE of these services (GPS, CAM) should ever fail Jul 26 20:08:04 no you can't! Jul 26 20:08:08 Yanroy: let me find it Jul 26 20:08:09 yes you can! Jul 26 20:08:10 is it usable for this right now ? Jul 26 20:08:20 and ifnot, is there any thing more usable or mature at this moment ? Jul 26 20:08:21 WorldDomination: nope Jul 26 20:08:27 shit. Jul 26 20:08:27 mmaestri: thank you very much Jul 26 20:08:30 WorldDomination: want a pony too? ;;-) Jul 26 20:08:30 that'd be great if more people utilized full duplex Jul 26 20:08:52 WorldDomination: give it time... huge strides are being made every day. a few months from now, I bet it can do what you want Jul 26 20:09:03 fuck. I need a device like that, and it should be lightweight Jul 26 20:09:16 so demanding :-( Jul 26 20:09:19 its pretty light Jul 26 20:09:22 I wouldn't accuse the FR of being lightweight... Jul 26 20:09:27 it's like twice the weight of an iphone Jul 26 20:09:34 shush! Jul 26 20:09:34 i will have to buy either a nokia n810 with linux on it then, or buy an eee pc, but that one is too heavy Jul 26 20:09:36 no iphone Jul 26 20:09:44 well Jul 26 20:09:48 but still lighter than 500g Jul 26 20:09:55 certainly Jul 26 20:09:55 u need an iphone Jul 26 20:10:10 linuxxr: show mebackground processes on iphone and I will use it Jul 26 20:10:11 I don't think an iphone will do any of the stuff he wants unless its jailbroken Jul 26 20:10:12 .... Jul 26 20:10:15 * Chocky wants to be indentured to Apple Jul 26 20:10:18 250 a month or so Jul 26 20:10:18 exactly yanroy Jul 26 20:10:20 in fact Jul 26 20:10:24 youre a fuckin genius Jul 26 20:10:26 christ Jul 26 20:10:30 I need a jailbroken iphone Jul 26 20:10:34 lol Jul 26 20:10:42 DAMN man Jul 26 20:10:44 you saved my day Jul 26 20:10:47 I really think you just need to give the freerunner a little time :) it's going to be the best in the end Jul 26 20:10:48 see thats a problem Jul 26 20:10:56 that's the ONE thing I havent thought about Jul 26 20:11:02 yanroy I m sure of that Jul 26 20:11:04 well, off you go then :p Jul 26 20:11:19 but for now I need <500g, stable, gps, cam Jul 26 20:11:25 hsdpa. Jul 26 20:11:27 that's all Jul 26 20:11:32 so either: a lightweight notebook Jul 26 20:11:36 y get to hacking Jul 26 20:11:37 or a jailbroken iphone Jul 26 20:11:38 WorldDomination: a friend of mine intends to use his freerunner for basically exactly what you just said you wanted Jul 26 20:11:43 or do you know any other alternatives ? Jul 26 20:11:45 but it's not quite there yet Jul 26 20:11:50 shit. Jul 26 20:11:55 what's he workin on ? Jul 26 20:12:06 give the swearing a rest, thanks Jul 26 20:12:26 ;) Jul 26 20:12:29 WorldDomination: I don't know if he's working on any code for the FR... he's not a programmer. he's a photographer Jul 26 20:12:39 when clicking the touchscreen, it seems to register a drag downwards a lot of the time. this is particularly noticable if you have a modal dialog with a bar at the top for dragging. Jul 26 20:12:45 autonomous photo units ? Jul 26 20:12:52 hm Jul 26 20:12:57 I think a jailbroken iphone will do Jul 26 20:12:59 the gpe gallery image viewer application open file dialog is a good example of this Jul 26 20:13:27 is there an app for calibrating the touchscreen and/or any settings for it? I've been noticing weirdness similar to what peepsalot is describing Jul 26 20:13:33 but on the other hand - wait Jul 26 20:13:41 the problem is: jailbroken iphone with GPS doesnt exist Jul 26 20:13:41 ts_calibrate Jul 26 20:13:58 the only jailbroken iphones are not from the generation with GPS Jul 26 20:14:04 it should already be installed Jul 26 20:14:06 arrrrr Jul 26 20:15:26 * Chocky frowns at Debian Jul 26 20:15:35 Yanroy: Pastebin complains about being too large Jul 26 20:15:51 I'm trying to send you the alsa.conf Jul 26 20:16:02 what controls the mapping between the list of categories in the app launcher and the category names in the .desktop files? I notice that "game" in the .desktop means "games" in the dropdown... Jul 26 20:16:14 mmaestri: alsa.conf? don't I want gsmhandset.state? Jul 26 20:16:30 maybe that's what I did wrong... Jul 26 20:16:44 i thought u could jailbrake 2.0 iphones already? Jul 26 20:17:05 zedstar: I think it's been done but the hack hasn't been published Jul 26 20:17:25 jusy get a freerunner an make it work if u use linux Jul 26 20:17:25 the Will It Blend guy jailbroke his phone Jul 26 20:17:29 into dust Jul 26 20:17:35 Yanroy: don't know what you've been touching Jul 26 20:17:55 mmaestri: hold on a sec and I'll get you a way to send me the file :) Jul 26 20:18:21 mmaestri: also, I changed gsmhandset.state per the instructions in the getting started guide... dunno if I did something to alsa.conf without realizing it (does alsamixer modify it?) Jul 26 20:19:13 mmaestri: https://ryansv.ath.cx/~rmeador/upload/ Jul 26 20:19:24 that will let you upload a file to me Jul 26 20:19:29 mmaestri: thakns for your help Jul 26 20:21:14 Yanroy: ok, here we go Jul 26 20:21:54 Yanroy: done Jul 26 20:22:06 mmaestri: only 8k? I'm surprised the pastebin said no Jul 26 20:22:43 Yanroy: me too...but it said so... Jul 26 20:23:18 where does the alsa.conf go? Jul 26 20:23:31 reboot! Jul 26 20:24:21 it goes /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf Jul 26 20:25:35 mmaestri: assuming I did the diff command correctly, your conf is the same as mine :( Jul 26 20:26:19 I think I broke /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state Jul 26 20:26:28 Yanroy: ...so you never changed that file... Jul 26 20:26:51 mmaestri: it would seem. I know I changed that one I just mentioned, but I don't know why it would stop working... I followed the getting started guide for changing the volume Jul 26 20:27:08 hi all Jul 26 20:28:38 I just had the bright idea of downloading the tar.gz of the rootfs... I can compare mine against that and see what i broke Jul 26 20:28:38 Yanroy: I'm going away now, but I can send you that file later if you didn't got it by that time Jul 26 20:28:41 bye Jul 26 20:28:46 mmaestri: thanks for your help! Jul 26 20:33:41 man, reading the mailing lists is starting to take up a good chunk of my day Jul 26 20:34:28 yeah... I read mine as an RSS feed in google reader... I spend way too much time doing that at work every day Jul 26 20:35:16 nice, I have sound back... now how do I change the volume? :D Jul 26 20:35:56 right. Jul 26 20:36:03 2.6.26 + latest nvidia moose Jul 26 20:36:42 has anyone here successfully gotten the volume change instructions from the getting started page to work? Jul 26 20:37:26 i haven't bothered trying. figured someone's bound to write an app to do it one of these days :-P Jul 26 20:37:54 * Chocky slaps FR Jul 26 20:37:59 hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 7 Jul 26 20:38:12 Chocky: sounds like a windows error message... Jul 26 20:38:29 sounds scary Jul 26 20:38:56 * Chocky plugs into different USB port and it works :o Jul 26 20:39:31 hello Chocky, remember me from last night..? :) the one with the ubuntu usb0 problems.. Well.. i found out that ubuntu didn't recognize the usb ports on the computer for some odd reason. Jul 26 20:39:32 oh good grief. apparently my Desktop is plugged into the mains instead of a battery :-) Jul 26 20:39:40 hm. Jul 26 20:39:55 Bubbi: well, I since rewrote the USB networking page. Jul 26 20:39:58 much better. Jul 26 20:41:50 heh, nice.. :) But it was simple because there were *no* usb0 connection.. still don't know why.. i fiddled with it today, and now I have it. And everything works like a charm.. sort of.. Now I just need to get into how to use the neo to its full potential Jul 26 20:42:22 hm. Jul 26 20:44:26 so it looks like when you store the config using "alsactl -f store", it changes a lot more than just what I changed in alsamixer... perhaps it has nothing to do with alsamixer Jul 26 20:44:30 anyone know what's up with that? Jul 26 20:44:42 Yanroy: I think you might be the expert at this point. Jul 26 20:44:49 maybe I need to make it load the correct file to begin with so it knows what it's supposed to be editing? Jul 26 20:44:53 Chocky: that's depressing Jul 26 20:44:54 looks like large transfers over USB/scp get about 185KB/s. i wonder if this is CPU bound because of the work for decrypting it. what would be the fastest way to transfer over USB? Jul 26 20:45:06 yes, but that's what happens :o Jul 26 20:45:15 peepsalot: rsync Jul 26 20:45:20 peepsalot: I got 245. Jul 26 20:45:28 peepsalot: If there was a netcat package that would be fast. Jul 26 20:45:29 SpeedEvil: doesn't rsync use ssh as the tunnel layer? Jul 26 20:45:32 but I'm also downloading stuff from ethernet at the same time about the same rate Jul 26 20:45:38 Chocky: doesn't have to Jul 26 20:45:46 SpeedEvil: have to what? Jul 26 20:45:47 peepsalot: how about wget from a website hosted on the desktop machine? Jul 26 20:45:59 Chocky: doesn't have to use ssh Jul 26 20:46:07 * Chocky said nothing of ssh Jul 26 20:46:12 I think that wa smeant for me Jul 26 20:46:21 although I _was_ using scp, but that's incidental Jul 26 20:46:25 ah - sorry Jul 26 20:46:28 Yanroy sound like too much work to set up a whole websrever for that Jul 26 20:46:32 slightly unclear font. Jul 26 20:46:46 peepsalot: apt-get install favourite-small-webserver Jul 26 20:46:54 put something in /var/www. done. Jul 26 20:46:57 peepsalot: work? setup? hehe... just fire up httpd and see what happens :) Jul 26 20:47:17 or tar+nc Jul 26 20:47:24 ah yes, another peeve about Fedora. "httpd" could be anything, and has been renamed. sometimes it unhelpfully means Apache Jul 26 20:47:39 I think it always means apache Jul 26 20:47:47 and I think apache actually calls their webserver httpd Jul 26 20:47:48 only on Fedora Jul 26 20:48:02 since apache is a foundation, not a project (anymore) Jul 26 20:48:13 well yes, but that's not the point. there are many things that could be called that Jul 26 20:48:20 ideally there would be some sort of gui app for transferring files between desktop and openmoko Jul 26 20:48:32 peepsalot: samba Jul 26 20:48:53 it's a TCP/IP connection, run any file transfer over it you want. Jul 26 20:48:58 not samba... oh the horror Jul 26 20:49:04 same rulez. Jul 26 20:49:06 samba. Jul 26 20:49:13 has anyone used samba on openmoko? Jul 26 20:49:19 I saw a project on projects.openmoko.org for a GUI file transfer program... it's under way Jul 26 20:49:55 I'm not sure why you needed a dedicated file transfer program. what could it possibly do that samba/NFS/scp/ftp couldn't? Jul 26 20:50:18 this is the Windows world thinking. no reusability Jul 26 20:50:39 I agree Jul 26 20:50:49 I have no need of it. I just know that some ppl want it Jul 26 20:51:00 Of simple testing. Jul 26 20:51:02 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 13.3456 s, 786 kB/s Jul 26 20:51:09 i don't see a package in opkg for samba Jul 26 20:51:09 SpeedEvil: phat. Jul 26 20:51:11 time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10240|nc 192.168.0.200 5555 Jul 26 20:51:25 I haven't needed a usb thumb drive since I switched to linux 4 years ago... scp does everything I need and works through firewalls, etc Jul 26 20:51:25 peepsalot: get haxx0ring. Jul 26 20:52:01 i don't know how to hax0r opkg Jul 26 20:52:01 * Chocky crafts an iptables rule especially to stop Yanroy :o Jul 26 20:52:26 Chocky: that would be difficult, since you can almost always do the SSH tunnel out and connect back in through it trick :) Jul 26 20:52:59 oh, you think? ;-) I can block all access except port 80 to a proxy host which you must use for http. Jul 26 20:53:00 over port 80 Jul 26 20:53:15 and block all incoming connections. Jul 26 20:53:25 you'd end up just screwing your own connection Jul 26 20:53:25 Chocky: well, if you want to cripple your network, that's your choice :) Jul 26 20:53:32 true, just sayin' Jul 26 20:53:41 * kd8ikt knows an easier way Jul 26 20:53:45 unplug the cord Jul 26 20:54:00 then he'll just use the neighboring open WiFi :o Jul 26 20:54:40 does anyone know any game package that is in the repos? Jul 26 20:54:54 anyway, you're supposed to answer that you're running an Ajaxified ssh web client somewhere. Jul 26 20:54:58 spydon: I noticed that flashing the latest daily of 2007.2 has a bunch of games... dunno the package though Jul 26 20:55:12 the games package has a stupid name Jul 26 20:55:16 opkg list |grep games Jul 26 20:55:25 * Chocky suggests grep -i Jul 26 20:55:26 ok, im trying to flash again the FR but when i cant connect via usb, i get usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, any ideas? Jul 26 20:55:37 im using ubuntu Jul 26 20:55:48 task-openmoko-games? Jul 26 20:55:50 torero: first, it's "I'm", second your kernel is probably missing options/modules Jul 26 20:56:07 nice, thx ^^ Jul 26 20:56:09 Yanroy: naw, IIRC, it's a qtopia package. Jul 26 20:56:20 Chocky: huh? I'm runnign 2007.2 Jul 26 20:56:21 omg i didnt know the writting should be totally correct here Jul 26 20:56:22 cdc_ether, for example Jul 26 20:56:40 wait, is writting written like that? Jul 26 20:56:43 torero: omgpwnies!@!! I didn't know you wanted an exact answer or some shit I made up! Jul 26 20:56:55 torero, no Jul 26 20:57:03 writing Jul 26 20:57:08 ok thanks Jul 26 20:57:21 ah, the beauty of english Jul 26 20:57:31 Chocky: i didnt know the writing should be totally correct here Jul 26 20:57:40 thanks peepsalot Jul 26 20:57:42 Not totally, but make some freakin' effort. Jul 26 20:58:00 If you want some help, you'll need to try to be exact. That's simply how it is. Jul 26 20:58:02 "it's" freaking IRC Jul 26 20:58:58 btw cocky is not written with an h ;) Jul 26 20:59:08 True enough. Jul 26 20:59:20 Bite my candy ass :o Jul 26 20:59:34 ;) later, after i get my FR flashed Jul 26 21:00:53 hm, busybox tar sucks. Jul 26 21:01:13 anyone know what the bitbake "CACHE" environment variable is for Jul 26 21:03:25 Kobo deluxe owned :P Jul 26 21:03:59 oh dear, no OABI support. Jul 26 21:04:16 C'h'ocky: so what was the suggestion you made? Jul 26 21:04:31 Get a pony. Jul 26 21:04:53 :) c'mon im just kidding, you are not mad at me are you? Jul 26 21:05:08 not mad, but honestly, I have better things to do with my time. Jul 26 21:05:18 opkg upgrade today is causing my FR to not recover from sleep/dim. i get a solid while screen after touching the screen to wake up. Jul 26 21:05:23 hehe Jul 26 21:06:07 i'm still your friend :) and look i'm putting ---> ' those things when i write (with one t) Jul 26 21:06:28 * Chocky winds in retractile. Jul 26 21:06:48 anyone using bitbake from ubuntu 8.04 Jul 26 21:08:31 argh. I'm not sure I want to roll my own kernel. Jul 26 21:08:40 cmon you know you wanna Jul 26 21:09:22 ok, I _do_, I'm just not sure I want to deal with the process :o Jul 26 21:09:47 i'm struggling with bitbake. Jul 26 21:10:01 it seems complicated. either that or the version in apt-get is foobar Jul 26 21:10:49 any thoughts on why the delete key types a period in vi over SSH? Jul 26 21:11:02 oh, only in insert mode... in command mode it deletes as expected Jul 26 21:11:02 opkg install nano Jul 26 21:11:10 vim is the ultimate editor Jul 26 21:11:13 I will not use nano Jul 26 21:11:25 opkg install kdevelop Jul 26 21:11:26 delete key? Jul 26 21:11:31 you mean 'x' ? Jul 26 21:11:38 awesomo4k: no, I mean delete :P Jul 26 21:11:51 awesomo4k: x only works in command mode Jul 26 21:12:26 Chocky: what is nano..? an editor? Jul 26 21:12:31 yes Jul 26 21:12:41 what makes it different from VI..? Jul 26 21:12:42 pretty basic, but easy to use Jul 26 21:12:53 you don't have to understand how to use vi Jul 26 21:13:08 heh, but then I need to understand how to use nano.. :D Jul 26 21:13:08 Yanroy - it does type a . for me to Jul 26 21:13:24 awesomo4k: must be broken somehow... Jul 26 21:13:31 there's only about 3 things you need to know in nano, and some of that's shown on screen Jul 26 21:13:46 alright.. :) Might give it a try.. Jul 26 21:14:13 http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg Jul 26 21:14:24 I'm not a very needy person, just want an editor that works easily, and VI is not one of the easy ones.. Jul 26 21:14:42 Chocky: haha.. Jul 26 21:14:44 you know, I don't think the dialer is supposed to quit after you hang up... I think its segfaulting. is there a log I can check for that? logread | tail doesn't show anything... Jul 26 21:14:50 for pico, read "nano" Jul 26 21:14:51 love the emacs one.. :P Jul 26 21:15:52 I'd say those are all pretty accurate Jul 26 21:15:59 torpor: your candy-assed machine probably needs cdc_ether modules loaded Jul 26 21:16:05 er Jul 26 21:16:13 one day I just sat down and said "I'm goign to learn vim", and I did Jul 26 21:16:13 torero Jul 26 21:16:23 vim and Fedora. sigh. Jul 26 21:16:36 a match made in heaven Jul 26 21:16:50 * Chocky lights the match, and sets it all alight Jul 26 21:16:56 i use vi because its shorter to type vi than pico or nano Jul 26 21:16:57 Does anyone know where should I send a patch for a bashism on python-edje on org.openmoko.asu.dev? OE, OM, or somewhere else? Jul 26 21:17:19 Centaur5: perhaps the OM developer mailing list. dunno for sure. Jul 26 21:17:27 er, ceasarb Jul 26 21:17:56 i just wanna compile one app using bitbake Jul 26 21:17:59 help Jul 26 21:18:05 Yanroy: I've started using ubuntu a couple of months ago (still using windows primarily though). But I thought that it would be a good fresh start now that i've bought the neo. So at the moment, I'm using ubuntu. And I'm still trying to get the hang of it.. :D Jul 26 21:18:19 And, on a related question... is org.openmoko.asu.dev actually being updated? I saw on rwhitby's commit message to mokomakefile dfu-util would be changed to provide a symlink, but it doesn't seem to have been updated... Jul 26 21:18:22 i'm on ubuntu Jul 26 21:18:32 But i've never really gotten used to VI.. even though i'm working with it a little at work too.. Jul 26 21:18:37 * Chocky pokes rwhitby Jul 26 21:18:38 (and which of the four branches is the one being actually developed?) Jul 26 21:18:55 cesarb: ah, the hard questions. Jul 26 21:18:58 yeah i don't think anyone really gets used to vi ... you just kinda live with it Jul 26 21:19:04 Chocky: :) Jul 26 21:19:45 awesomo4k: I am used to vi Jul 26 21:19:58 awesomo4k: to the point of pressing "escape" when I have to use notepad Jul 26 21:20:16 * cesarb uses gvim all the time Jul 26 21:20:19 ha ha... yeah i know what you mean. Jul 26 21:20:21 awesomo4k: heh, some of my colleagues love it and I must say.. they can really do wonders with it.. :D I'm just not that experienced with it yet.. Jul 26 21:20:37 it's just a freakin' tool :p Jul 26 21:20:42 i've been using it for 10 years... but still just enough to get by : ) Jul 26 21:20:50 haha Jul 26 21:20:51 Chocky: the tools one use are Serious Business Jul 26 21:21:09 for major editing i prefer sed awk and cut Jul 26 21:21:17 I use vi to develop always. Jul 26 21:21:23 yeah..! If you haven't got a tool to match your personality, then you can really get pissed off sometimes.. :P Jul 26 21:21:24 Vim really. Jul 26 21:21:26 * Chocky sobs. Jul 26 21:21:46 Modal text editors are where it's at. Jul 26 21:23:28 is there a wiki doc about taking an existing C app and the "right" way to put it in the openmoko build system Jul 26 21:23:41 awesomo4k: you might have to be the expert and make one! Jul 26 21:23:57 awesomo4k: Usually step one is to see if it's already in OpenEmbedded Jul 26 21:24:17 ah, an expert. good. Jul 26 21:24:19 okey. how to do that? Jul 26 21:24:29 Chocky: Hehe, I wish Jul 26 21:24:44 does this involve checking out and building an entire distribution Jul 26 21:24:45 awesomo4k: Take a look at the Ångström feeds or so Jul 26 21:24:45 does anyone know if alsamixer is real time? I keep calling goog411 and playing with it... no dice Jul 26 21:25:01 No, you should just be able to see what ipk's are available Jul 26 21:25:01 okay, time for a question, that anyone here should be welcome to answer :) how do I flash uboot to the neo..? on the "Flashing the Neo FreeRunner" wiki page, it describes that you can do it from "gnu/linux", by downloading a tool, but when you've got that tool downloaded (to ubuntu, right?), then you run it from ubuntu or what..? Jul 26 21:25:02 I bet google is going to have their secret assassins come after me because I've been calling them too much Jul 26 21:25:06 CM: experter Jul 26 21:25:18 Bubbi: yes Jul 26 21:25:47 Bubbi: I noticed that page lacks any info on flashing uboot... I dunno how to do it. but you run dfu-util on your host systeme (i.e. desktop) Jul 26 21:26:04 it's exactly the same, except the partition is 'u-boot' Jul 26 21:26:13 ah Jul 26 21:26:13 Chocky: But in which way..? Yes, the page is missing a few examples :) Jul 26 21:26:17 perhaps the wiki should be updated for that... Jul 26 21:26:26 Yanroy : sudo dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D ./u-boot_image_file.bin Jul 26 21:26:49 Great, I'm *really* out of the loop. Now I found out bugzilla is gone and there's trac on its place Jul 26 21:26:51 and make sure you've powered-on with AUX pressed Jul 26 21:26:59 just leave the boot menu up Jul 26 21:27:11 awesomo4k: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ Jul 26 21:27:13 come back Bugzilla, all is forgiven! Jul 26 21:27:29 awesomo4k: why do you need to do that Jul 26 21:27:32 to do what? Jul 26 21:27:45 Search for ipk's :) Jul 26 21:27:46 leave the boot menu up.. Jul 26 21:27:54 has lorn delivered on his "feed for QTopia in a week" promise yet, anyone? Jul 26 21:28:05 when flashing? i dunno.. i think that's what the instructions say to do Jul 26 21:28:07 yes, there was a list post about it Jul 26 21:28:19 * ab0oo wanders off to the lists... Jul 26 21:28:25 I don't think you can flash without being at the NOR boot menu Jul 26 21:28:28 good luck finding it though :o Jul 26 21:28:36 i mean until its done... i never really tried flashing when not in the boot menu... Jul 26 21:28:37 I'm just basing that assumption on my work with other embedded devices Jul 26 21:28:54 you can flash from NAND no problem Jul 26 21:29:01 plus isn't flashing u-boot dangerous or something Jul 26 21:29:14 on most uboot setups, uboot is in RAM Jul 26 21:29:17 awesomo4k: I think you flash the NAND uboot from the NOR, so it's ok Jul 26 21:29:25 like potential brick-worthy if it gets interrupted or something Jul 26 21:29:32 awesomo4k: not on Freerunner :p Jul 26 21:29:33 awesomo4k: it's flashing the NOR that's dangerous and I think it can only be done through the dev board Jul 26 21:29:58 heh.. So I can't f*ck it all up..? :) Jul 26 21:30:06 only a little Jul 26 21:30:10 oh, well, you can, but it's fixable :) Jul 26 21:30:11 why thanks.. ;) Jul 26 21:30:34 what architecture are we on in the angstrom distribution pkg searcher Jul 26 21:30:43 armel Jul 26 21:31:03 armv4t? Jul 26 21:31:10 yes, also. Jul 26 21:31:31 arm OABI and armv4t EABI will both work? Jul 26 21:31:41 looks like the kernel doens't have OABI Jul 26 21:31:44 EABI = armel Jul 26 21:31:46 It's just that all I want, is to get some new stuff on the neo, and as much as I've been able to read, you need to flash the uboot to get GPS working with the SD card.. right..? (please correct me if i'm wrong) Jul 26 21:32:15 uboot doesn't have anything to do with GPS, but it's worth updating all the same Jul 26 21:32:50 wow so i can get any of these programs onto the neo ? Jul 26 21:33:07 awesomo4k: I suspect so, give me an example. Jul 26 21:33:09 Chocky: to take one thing at a time (the GPS). What would I need to do to get the GPS working then..? Jul 26 21:33:20 Chocky: kismet Jul 26 21:33:20 The neo is nothing special in terms of embedded Linux Jul 26 21:33:34 can the wifi be put in monitor mode easily Jul 26 21:33:35 bubbi; u-boot is one thing at a time :p Jul 26 21:33:40 :D Jul 26 21:33:57 how do i point my opkg at this repo Jul 26 21:34:05 dunno Jul 26 21:34:08 Well.. what would updating the uboot do for me..? Better performance, stability, functionality..? Jul 26 21:34:22 (all very good reasons to update..!) Jul 26 21:34:33 Bubbi: you and everyone else spend more time worrying about uboot than the actual flash would take Jul 26 21:34:44 let's say it'll save you time later too. Jul 26 21:35:10 hmm, the conversations between Trolltech and Holgar are slightly disturbing Jul 26 21:35:18 ab0oo: oh yes? Jul 26 21:35:27 ab0oo: in what way? Jul 26 21:35:46 of course.. if it could f*ck everything up for me, I'm doing some risk vs. gain thinking here :D Jul 26 21:35:57 I'm trying to wrap my brain around it and say it intelligently. Jul 26 21:36:08 ab0oo: a link will do :p Jul 26 21:36:11 give me a minute to gather my thougts.\ Jul 26 21:36:39 holger makes it seem like TT is all at fault and wrong about everything Jul 26 21:36:49 the conversations between lorn and holder, here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023850.html Jul 26 21:36:52 \me thinks ab0oo need more than a minute for that... wups.. did he say that out loud? Jul 26 21:37:14 I guess it's this: Jul 26 21:37:21 well, this one line, let me find it. Jul 26 21:38:45 ahh, the final paragraph in this message: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/023736.html Jul 26 21:40:04 let me start with this caveat: I'm an admitted Open Source leach: I have made a good living reccomended, deploying, using, and depending on Open Source software. I'm also a professional software engineer, but I program in Java, which is a red-headed step child inthe open source world. Jul 26 21:40:15 * Chocky laffs. Jul 26 21:40:20 so, I have mooched a lot of good from the open source world, but contributed very little back. Jul 26 21:40:48 * Yanroy just received his first legitimate (non-test) phone call on his FR and it actually worked Jul 26 21:41:08 I did some QT programming a few years back, and in my job, when I can manage to justify it, I will purchase support contracts from open source companies (we've "donated" close to $200,000 to open source "support" in the last two years) Jul 26 21:41:11 ab0oo: Java's status has changed since RedHat started including openjdk by default. Now it's Real Open Source ;-) Jul 26 21:41:12 warning: the latest kernel is seriously hosed Jul 26 21:41:19 having said that.... Jul 26 21:41:44 I have concerns about Nokia's commitment to the Open Source community. Jul 26 21:41:56 ab0oo, well doh ;] Jul 26 21:42:16 it always goes like that when big companies get involved :o Sun, Intel, look at the moose with the nvidia driver. Jul 26 21:42:16 donomo: 2008-07-25? Jul 26 21:42:34 I think they'll honor the GPL. But that comment from Lorn about taking contributions... Jul 26 21:42:56 never mind the mess that is Android. Jul 26 21:43:20 not only is Android a stupid name for a product that isn't actually an android, it's pretty fake open source Jul 26 21:43:27 yeah, looking at android, I'm a small time Open Source "thief" compared to what google is doing. Jul 26 21:44:05 Chocky: Okay, lets start at the uboot instead then. If I want to flash it, then I first need to download the u-boot file, it's a .gz file, right..? Jul 26 21:44:17 it's a .bin Jul 26 21:44:19 lpotter: can you explain the relationship between QT and QTopia for me (or point me to a link)? Jul 26 21:44:19 ab0oo: that has always been our policy Jul 26 21:44:37 ab0oo: goto wikip;edia Jul 26 21:44:51 * Chocky watches MokoMakefile build random things :o Jul 26 21:45:11 * ab0oo shambles off to wikipedia Jul 26 21:46:17 Chocky: it would be the uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin file here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080725/ Right..? Jul 26 21:46:21 yes Jul 26 21:46:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7a99e5b73795 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py modem.py): ogsmd: read minimum/maximum phonebook indices before accessing Jul 26 21:46:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r340836d47446 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py): odeviced: fix module being found if installed Jul 26 21:51:31 okay, i've got the .bin file, trying to use the dfu-util, as it says on the "flashing...." wiki page, with the line that awesomo4k decribed earlier, i've changed the filename, but everything else is still intact. But it "fails" with a warning about the device is already in DFU state..? Jul 26 21:52:00 did you get the command line exact? Jul 26 21:53:09 is the asu keyboard working again in the july 25th build? Jul 26 21:53:26 Hm... can I build the ASU image from the org.openmoko.dev branch instead of using the org.openmoko.asu.dev branch? Because the kernel on the ASU branch was broken for GTA01 last I checked, and it seems org.openmoko.dev has GTA01 workarounds Jul 26 21:53:26 Chocky: I made a pastie with it: http://pastie.org/241757 Jul 26 21:53:28 SirBob1701: as of yesterday, it seems not... I switched back to 2007.2 after trying ASU for about 6 hours Jul 26 21:53:51 Yanroy: guess i'll stick with the july 18th build for a bit Jul 26 21:54:24 the dfu-util file is on the desktop (don't really know if that matters..?) Jul 26 21:54:31 SirBob1701: my brief exposure to the ASU makes me wonder if it will ever be stable enough to use. there's a LOT that needs to be done (mostly in terms of cleaning stuff up, not even new features) Jul 26 21:54:40 Bubbi: did you boot to NAND flash? Jul 26 21:54:59 and see if there's some bitching in dmesg Jul 26 21:55:04 Yanroy: ya i'm using it as my daily phone but there are issues every now and then Jul 26 21:55:13 Bubbi .. try unplugging usb cable then AUX+Power then plug in usb cable Jul 26 21:55:19 then dfu-util Jul 26 21:55:43 press aux if it sleeps quick too Jul 26 21:55:47 Chocky: I did this on the ubuntu, as there's no real reference to where i should do it. Don't know if that matters..? Jul 26 21:56:11 try wut awe says Jul 26 21:56:20 okay.. give me a sec to try it :) Jul 26 21:58:25 awesomo4k: what should happen when i press both the AUX and Power button..? I get the AUX menu (toggle fullscreen, swap orientation, screenshot) AND the Power Menu (Turn on/off GSM, BT, GPS, WIFI and so forth) Jul 26 21:58:35 er Jul 26 21:58:37 no! Jul 26 21:58:42 Bubbi .. you need to do that from powered down Jul 26 21:58:45 you need to do this from off. Jul 26 21:58:50 it should be a text screen with some boot options Jul 26 21:58:53 and then flash from within uboot Jul 26 21:59:01 ahh okay :) didn't know that.. :D Jul 26 21:59:10 you are trying to flash from GTK :p Jul 26 21:59:34 And we've got a menu.. :D Jul 26 21:59:54 yeah... just leave that text menu up then run the dfu-util Jul 26 22:00:58 does anyone have working settings for more volume on both the earpiece and mic? Jul 26 22:01:04 and by earpiece I mean the speaker thingy Jul 26 22:01:35 hm, mythfrontend on FR :p then I can watch TV on it Jul 26 22:02:20 small problem, I get a "More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device" message.. how do I disconnect them the unneeded ones.. Jul 26 22:02:43 unplug them :p Jul 26 22:02:48 do what it says Jul 26 22:02:59 you can specify the device with -d vendor:product also Jul 26 22:03:12 don't want that.. It's my keyboard.. :D Jul 26 22:04:05 then do what awe says Jul 26 22:04:09 lsub Jul 26 22:04:11 lsusb Jul 26 22:04:53 ah, wait.. :P I had a small USB/bluetooth dongle on the back of the computer (you forget that when you don't use it very often).. Jul 26 22:05:14 now something is happening.. :) Jul 26 22:06:32 alright.. now i have run the dfu-util, and its last line was "Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode" and then i had control again.. this means that it's done correctly..? Jul 26 22:06:42 yes Jul 26 22:06:45 now kernel :p Jul 26 22:07:17 But isn't that possible to upgrade using opkg..? Jul 26 22:07:25 yes, also Jul 26 22:07:28 * Chocky just sayin' Jul 26 22:07:45 I've already made a opkg upgrade, that took a few minutes, so i'm "safe" on that one, right..? Jul 26 22:07:53 probably Jul 26 22:08:05 if you're lucky, GPS is all good Jul 26 22:08:11 since latest kernels help that Jul 26 22:08:15 does anyone know how to type an address into minimo? I hit the @ button which brought up something that looks like an address bar, but I can't type in it Jul 26 22:08:25 Yanroy: mystery to me. :p Jul 26 22:08:46 I must say.. it's quite fun to see all the text, when the neo is booting.. ;) Jul 26 22:09:17 * sphery_ doesn't understand why so many think the boot text is a bad thing Jul 26 22:09:43 They say it's a great web browser.. if only you could type something in the address bar.. :D (just kidding.. i haven't tried using it myself) Jul 26 22:09:44 I look at kernels booting all day, it's a bit tiresome. plus the scrolling slows down the boot a bit Jul 26 22:10:07 i don't mind the text itself although the boot time is too slow overall Jul 26 22:10:27 Chocky: Well.. :) I'm not used to it.. so for now, it's quite nice.. :D Jul 26 22:10:42 no doubt. boot time is awful. Jul 26 22:10:46 does tangogps require gpsd? Jul 26 22:10:56 yes and no Jul 26 22:11:07 uhh tricky answer.. :D Jul 26 22:11:07 it requires it if you want to see where you are using gps Jul 26 22:11:12 heh.. Jul 26 22:11:20 but you could use the map without.. :) Jul 26 22:11:21 ok Jul 26 22:11:25 hm, streaming HDTV and building openmoko at the sametime isn't so hot ;-) Jul 26 22:11:28 I thought maybe it was it's own gps interface Jul 26 22:11:37 its Jul 26 22:12:22 Chocky: Hahaha.. It might be a bid hard for the poor machine (I hope you aren't using the neo for that sort of thing.. :S) Jul 26 22:13:34 lol. There are boots on my boot sequence, now. (Just opkg upgrade'ed) Jul 26 22:13:39 Chocky: I'll remember one of these times... usually I'm pretty good about the its/it's distinction... I'm losing my edge :( Jul 26 22:13:52 sphery: yeah, I love that :D Jul 26 22:14:03 * Yanroy goes outside to test the gps Jul 26 22:14:08 * Chocky slaps TV adverts in HD Jul 26 22:14:17 alright, now i'm getting somewhere.. I can't really see what i updated, when flashing the u-boot, so I can just hope that it helped :D Jul 26 22:15:08 you can check the version number of the uboot by booting back into it Jul 26 22:15:13 and looking at the top Jul 26 22:15:20 it should be a bigger number than before :) Jul 26 22:15:40 heh, you can now see all your favorite ads in HIGH DEFINITION!!! WAAAY COOLER.. Or not.. advertisers should be slapped for that sort of thing.. Jul 26 22:16:20 awesomo4k: Well.. I can't really remember what it said at first.. :D But the date now is one of the first days of may..?? Jul 26 22:16:31 I should think that there were a newer image..? Jul 26 22:16:42 yeah uboot doesn't usually need updating too much Jul 26 22:16:51 kernel and rootfs are the big ones Jul 26 22:16:57 rootfs will take some time to put on there Jul 26 22:17:57 Well.. u-boot is also "just" the thing that talks to the hardware, right..? And then the kernel uses u-boot, i guess.. Jul 26 22:18:03 I wonder if /media/card/{Images,Music,Sounds,Video} from OM or from Kingston... Jul 26 22:18:27 kingston Jul 26 22:18:32 anybody get breakage of their usb port on reboot of freerunner? Jul 26 22:18:38 hey that kobodeluxe game plays at a better frame rate than i was expecting Jul 26 22:18:51 my understanding is that uboot just loads the kernel.. its a bootloader type thing Jul 26 22:18:53 SpeedEvil: Thanks, and I'm glad. They seem too Windows for my taste. Jul 26 22:19:14 the kernel talks to the hardware during operation Jul 26 22:19:30 kernel doesn't use u-boot, it's not a BIOS. that's purely an x86 idea. Jul 26 22:19:44 thewtex: yes, sometimes. Jul 26 22:19:46 oh.. well.. Like I said, it was just a guess.. :P I'm no way a "real" developer... All I normally develop is websites.. :) Jul 26 22:20:14 well then think of the kernel as a website... a big messy website with lots of javascript Jul 26 22:20:16 Chocky: must restart the computer to get the usb port back up? Jul 26 22:20:23 thewtex: I changed ports Jul 26 22:20:32 eventually came back Jul 26 22:20:40 awesomo4k: :) I'll try that.. :D Jul 26 22:20:41 dunno if the FR or desktop was at fault Jul 26 22:20:59 would anyone know how to get opkg to stop failing on Package sigs Jul 26 22:21:12 replace it with a version which doesn't do that. Jul 26 22:21:19 no one has gotten around to that yet Jul 26 22:21:32 Chocky: what kernel are you using Jul 26 22:21:44 various. Jul 26 22:22:00 2.6.26 today, but was 2.56.25.9 earlier. Jul 26 22:22:03 for desktop Jul 26 22:22:08 for FR, today's and others Jul 26 22:22:11 I don't think I was having as much trouble on 2.6.25, but I seem to be having more trouble on 2.6.24 Jul 26 22:22:45 awesomo4k: I've read on the wiki, that it's something on the server, not in opkg.. Jul 26 22:22:55 wiki lies! Jul 26 22:22:59 opkg tells me it updated the list of available packages but then "Signature check failed" happens .. and i can't see new packages listed Jul 26 22:23:04 Bubbi: let's stop guessing, ok ? ;- Jul 26 22:23:31 ahrem.. i'll keep my mouth shut now.. :D Jul 26 22:23:41 package generation _could_ make sigs, but equally, opkg could not complain. Jul 26 22:24:00 yeah i am really ok with blind trust of binaries at this point Jul 26 22:24:14 heh Jul 26 22:24:26 that's what you get in Windows :p Jul 26 22:24:43 i'm not auditing every line of code anyway :) Jul 26 22:24:55 Finix! Jul 26 22:25:00 er, Finux Jul 26 22:25:32 is there a visual package manager for the neo yet? Jul 26 22:25:36 yes Jul 26 22:25:52 couple in ASU Jul 26 22:25:52 could I ask how to install it..? :) Jul 26 22:26:02 so if Signature check fails, then opkg won't add the Packages.gz file ? Jul 26 22:26:07 well.. for the 2007.02 image..? Jul 26 22:26:11 dunno Jul 26 22:26:17 opkg list | grep -i package Jul 26 22:26:56 wuhu nice.. :) I've got to start learning all those nifty lines of code there.. ;) Jul 26 22:27:10 yeah the new ones i'm expecting really aren't there Jul 26 22:28:12 omg omg omg omg flood.. :P There were a few "package" items.. heh Jul 26 22:28:27 pwnies. Jul 26 22:28:45 not enough .. grumble grumble Jul 26 22:28:46 ;) Jul 26 22:28:49 haha Jul 26 22:29:21 i added /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf Jul 26 22:29:27 with contents: Jul 26 22:29:30 src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/ Jul 26 22:29:50 next step is "opkg update" Jul 26 22:30:29 fantabulos Jul 26 22:31:30 maybe i have the wrong feed.. Jul 26 22:32:12 i'd like to get everything from angstrom available Jul 26 22:34:27 does anyone know how to do that Jul 26 22:35:00 build it yourself ;-) Jul 26 22:35:11 all I know is that I download some stuff in a mailing list message Jul 26 22:35:11 yikes this pegs game is mega slow Jul 26 22:35:20 and that replaced some feed files Jul 26 22:35:25 is trolltech contributing to the ASU development? Jul 26 22:35:28 it exists pre-built in the angstrom repo Jul 26 22:35:35 in terms of person-hours? Jul 26 22:38:53 can anyone here help with a gtk programming issue? i want to get the height of a widget, so i can caluclate the percentage of a progress bar to set. Jul 26 22:39:09 to set the bar by clicking it Jul 26 22:41:58 someone needs to s/ipkg/opkg/g on the wiki Jul 26 22:51:28 Do I need to set something up for tangoGPS to work..? I've tried the AGPS UI program to test if I could get a fix. And it actually worked.. first time i tried the program it took about 130 sec. but afterwards it took about 30 sec. But i still can't use tangGPS to get my coords, even when AGPS UI is still reporting 5-7 satellites Jul 26 22:52:01 Bubbi: you've done everything I did, and mine Just Worked. Jul 26 22:52:09 Bubbi: are you running them at the same time? Jul 26 22:52:47 Also, I've noticed that TangoGPS tendsto take a bit longer to lock in. but once it does, it's fine Jul 26 22:52:53 I've tried running them simultaneously and individually Jul 26 22:53:59 alright, well, i'll try it tomorrow.. it's 00:53 in Denmark right now :) so i'll take it for a spin tomorrow :D Jul 26 22:54:48 ab0oo: not directly. we are deveoping qtopia though :) Jul 26 22:55:51 fair enough. Jul 26 22:57:02 okay guys.. you said that when I was to flash the u-boot, i had to press both aux and power at the same time.. i've just now read that i was in the NOR Flash.. Wasn't that where i could really fuck things up..? *gulp* Jul 26 22:57:19 no. Jul 26 22:58:31 It was the right place to be..? Jul 26 22:59:22 It's just that you could start pressing the power button and then the AUX, or you could press the AUX first and then the power button and you would get two different menus Jul 26 23:02:48 the scrolling speed up and down a list has become incredibly slow. Jul 26 23:02:50 hello all Jul 26 23:02:51 Bubbi: it doesn't matter -- the NOR will not change -- the NAND you cant change by flashing u-boot Jul 26 23:03:01 s/cant/can Jul 26 23:03:12 hi mak163 Jul 26 23:04:16 thewtex: okay :) Always good to know.. :) Jul 26 23:04:19 if one wants to build apps for the freerunner platform, they should have the kernel source compiled on their host system using the openmoko toolchain right? Jul 26 23:05:11 mak163: you don't need to build the kernel to make apps Jul 26 23:05:25 Bubbi: go to bed. Jul 26 23:05:41 and you don't have to use the openmoko toolchain, but it helps :) Jul 26 23:06:03 when you're not sure where the problem is when there is a problem Jul 26 23:08:23 anyone know how to get the mouse pointer to show up Jul 26 23:08:30 balrog-k1n: thank you Jul 26 23:08:38 most like in the xorg.conf file Jul 26 23:08:41 likely Jul 26 23:08:57 Chocky: don't worry, i will soon.. :P But i'm just in the middle of getting WLAN working.. :) Jul 26 23:09:27 i believe it's matchbox that hides the cursor Jul 26 23:09:37 anyone know the secret to getting a keyboard working in ASU? I'm useless at googling Jul 26 23:09:44 i thought kdrive doesn't use xorg.conf Jul 26 23:10:00 hm. Jul 26 23:10:17 ab0oo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle Jul 26 23:10:43 ab0oo: you using the july 25th nuild? Jul 26 23:10:48 err build Jul 26 23:10:56 23rd, I think Jul 26 23:11:26 Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02 Jul 26 23:11:54 crap i don't see any settings related to the mouse pointer Jul 26 23:12:29 Is there a graphical WLAN application for the 2007.02 image..? Jul 26 23:12:30 awesomo4k: what are you looking for? Jul 26 23:12:38 i want to see the mouse pointer Jul 26 23:13:12 awesomo4k: there was something about that in the wiki.. you have to recompile kdrive afaik Jul 26 23:13:28 aargh. Jul 26 23:14:04 Does anyone know where I can find a kernel for the neo1973 which has the software fix for the microSD-GPS interference? Jul 26 23:14:11 awesomo4k: the pointer is visible by default Jul 26 23:14:15 you don't need to recompile Jul 26 23:14:28 i can't see it when i use a mouse Jul 26 23:14:29 before you launch qtopia or matchbox, which will hide it Jul 26 23:14:42 how do i get matchbox to unhide it Jul 26 23:14:55 trying to rock my 4 display synergy setup Jul 26 23:15:07 hmm no idea Jul 26 23:15:10 do you need matchbox? Jul 26 23:15:19 well a window manager is nice Jul 26 23:15:28 :) Jul 26 23:15:32 SirBob1701: that's pretty major surgery. I did it, but it didn't seem to work (error during the build) Jul 26 23:15:45 for... windows and stuff .. Jul 26 23:15:49 sh: embryo_cc: not found Jul 26 23:15:49 edje_cc: Warning. Compiling script code not clean. Jul 26 23:16:00 Media player for OpenMoko? Jul 26 23:16:04 one exist, or not? Jul 26 23:16:12 ab0oo: huh got me Jul 26 23:16:20 I'm interested to help develop one, or contribute to an existing project Jul 26 23:16:20 awesomo4k: oh yea, those square things.. Jul 26 23:17:10 I like the comment in the code, though... visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me. Jul 26 23:17:25 so, whoever sean is, he put the screws to the rest of us. :) Jul 26 23:17:39 lol ya there "design" lead wants the whole fing option gone Jul 26 23:18:05 I suppose he has an alternate keyboard up his ... sleeve. Jul 26 23:18:16 no Jul 26 23:18:18 not at all Jul 26 23:18:36 so .. if i want to use a full size keyboard and mouse with fr it should unhide the mouse.. is that a bug or s feature Jul 26 23:18:43 they want touse the standard illume keyboard that pops up when you need it Jul 26 23:18:54 but a program needs to be specially written for it Jul 26 23:21:14 I guess I just need to fall back to the 2007.2 image and be patient. I love qtopia, but it's missing applications I need (specifically, an instant message client and a web browser) Jul 26 23:22:07 ASU is just buggy. It might not be tomorrow, but today, it's just buggy. Jul 26 23:22:46 i use minimo as web browser Jul 26 23:24:10 what package is iwconfig in Jul 26 23:24:42 I don't seem to be able to install gcc on the FR. The package in the default repo does not install anything. Can anyone tell me which repo might have it and what the package name would be? Jul 26 23:25:19 SirBob1701: minimo works under QTopia? Jul 26 23:25:51 yup Jul 26 23:26:10 i don't seem to have iwconfig on my system Jul 26 23:26:12 drat. Jul 26 23:26:19 wow. just wow. and it shows up in the applications menu? Jul 26 23:28:39 yup Jul 26 23:28:51 why would iwconfig go missing from a build? this is really odd. Jul 26 23:28:57 I'm rebooting into Qtopia right now... Jul 26 23:29:16 now, if I could just get something pidgen-ish... Jul 26 23:29:22 irc-ish... Jul 26 23:33:14 hi Jul 26 23:33:25 pidgin is actually working Jul 26 23:33:35 and so is irssi Jul 26 23:34:35 mmaestri: pidgen under qtopia? Jul 26 23:35:24 pidgin is working on 2007.2, and qtopia-x11 also has gtk, so i assume that it should work either Jul 26 23:35:56 I was hoping for straight qtopia... Jul 26 23:36:07 i don't know that one Jul 26 23:36:20 me too either. I'll try now, though Jul 26 23:38:04 pymail needs some love Jul 26 23:38:34 http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/pymail/ Jul 26 23:38:35 so, is the asu known as the april or august update? Jul 26 23:39:05 august AFAIK Jul 26 23:39:28 Is it possible to have gcc installed on the FR? Jul 26 23:39:41 ok, cool. i just started trying to get this thing going and am having a hard time finding concise directions for working with it :) Jul 26 23:39:48 (neo freerunner that is) Jul 26 23:39:49 autumn ;-) Jul 26 23:40:03 the om2007.2 is starting to show a lot of bugs that i'm not liking Jul 26 23:40:11 but i dunno if asu will fix anything Jul 26 23:40:29 but it's probably all stemming from my noobness Jul 26 23:40:50 suspend/resume is kinda broken Jul 26 23:41:15 kd8ikt, yeah, i've seen that. and my battery life is terrrrrible Jul 26 23:41:25 actully i dunno if it was ever really working Jul 26 23:41:43 i could use it as a regular phone for now and then keep tinkering, but i don't want to keep switching back to my pebl for regular phone use Jul 26 23:41:47 the new shipment isn't in yet? Jul 26 23:41:56 i want this to be my phone and tinker in the evenings Jul 26 23:42:20 like after 5-10 min in suspend mine likes to wake itself up and present me with a white screen Jul 26 23:42:28 niklauz, at least not yet available from the store Jul 26 23:42:29 i tinker with it in the evenings and end up screwing it and having to reflash it messy messsy Jul 26 23:43:01 kd8ikt, i don't have that happening, but rather suspend happening even when i change the power settings to turn it off Jul 26 23:43:04 or after 5-10min of suspend i try to wake it up and all i get is that dreaded white screen that cant be fixed and needs a reboot Jul 26 23:43:07 SirBob1701, is there a good guide for flashing? Jul 26 23:43:13 Oh, I gcc did get installed, I just didn't install the symlinks package. Jul 26 23:43:52 tkep|fail: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jul 26 23:44:13 i'll test suspend again now that i did an opkg upgrade Jul 26 23:44:59 SirBob1701, i have searched their site, but i guess in a not very good way. thanks Jul 26 23:45:22 i'm stuck to a point that i can't do an upgrade Jul 26 23:45:27 so flashing may be a better way Jul 26 23:45:31 i don't mind its in my browser history :D Jul 26 23:45:46 well, in other news, i'm trying to get another site going that will be for noobs like me with the freerunner Jul 26 23:46:05 basically a more concise and collected wiki with a message board and community like feel that i think openmoko.org is lacking Jul 26 23:46:18 i'd like to make it so that my site is for users, and openmoko.org is for power-users and devels Jul 26 23:46:22 dumbed down guides and the like Jul 26 23:46:46 it's still well under works, but if you want to see it, feel free to go to www.freerunnerhq.com Jul 26 23:46:56 i still need to get the DB working for files and images Jul 26 23:47:02 araujo: lol we were talking about this last night, sad it's not available yet :( Jul 26 23:47:02 as well as finish the css for the main theme Jul 26 23:47:14 niklauz, yeah :-[ Jul 26 23:48:25 so, if you flash the root FS, does that take care of everything of the OS? Jul 26 23:48:32 including kernel? Jul 26 23:48:34 euck php site ;D Jul 26 23:48:40 :) Jul 26 23:48:50 it's just tikiwiki based Jul 26 23:49:22 but i'd really like to get some modified articles on there. such as this flashing page. it is very cryptic. you know exactly how to do what it says, but what are you doing? Jul 26 23:49:28 SirBob1701: type slowly, so I really understand: Do you really use minimo with Qtopia (from Trolltech), or with the ASU release? Jul 26 23:49:43 ab0oo: with ASU Jul 26 23:49:52 Jul 26 23:50:02 I was thinking with the Trolltech release Jul 26 23:50:07 haha oh Jul 26 23:50:39 tkep|fail: it doesn't do the OS. yes, many pages on the wiki suck. I'm trying to improve some of it. Jul 26 23:50:46 doesn't do the kernel, I mean Jul 26 23:51:14 Chocky, great, thanks. and if you want, as i said, i am more than willing to put in the majority of the work, but i'm trying to do that on another site Jul 26 23:51:24 * ab0oo pouts Jul 26 23:51:31 * Chocky smooches ab0oo Jul 26 23:51:34 anyone in seattle want to come raving? Jul 26 23:51:52 * Chocky still wants a pants daemon Jul 26 23:51:53 I'm not sure I swing that way, Chocky. But it's the thought that counts Jul 26 23:51:54 to make it so that many people, like me, who are seasoned linux users (hell, i work for a "well known linux company in Raleigh, NC), can easily and quickly follow Jul 26 23:52:19 ab0oo: it's OSS. it's the thought. and quit pouting :o Jul 26 23:52:27 tkep|fail: just how DO you get that koolaid down your throat? Jul 26 23:52:28 Chocky: you could go raving with the pants daemon :P Jul 26 23:52:36 so, by all means, feel free to edit that wiki and add it to my site Jul 26 23:52:50 * Chocky turned down a job at a reasonably well known, but now sold out, Linux company in San Diego Jul 26 23:52:52 ab0oo, does it make you feel better that i don't use red hat at all? Jul 26 23:52:53 :) Jul 26 23:53:03 (the fact that my not so well known company has paid your well-known company close to $500,000 for this year alone doesn't help) Jul 26 23:53:22 tkep|fail's stock just went noticably higher in my book. Jul 26 23:53:27 :) Jul 26 23:53:31 and mine? ;o Jul 26 23:53:36 oh man I'm stuck with rhel3 on my box because of hobosauce :( Jul 26 23:53:46 hobosauce? Jul 26 23:53:53 pantsd_++ Jul 26 23:53:55 :) Jul 26 23:54:10 * Chocky used to live but a mile from Steve MacIntyre, if that helps :p Jul 26 23:54:25 and i apologize for anything Red Hat may have done to anyone. but it feels good to be paid by an open source company as opposed to my last job... Jul 26 23:54:36 :-D Jul 26 23:54:37 * Chocky tortures tkep for RPM. And Fedora. Jul 26 23:54:49 whats a pants daemon Jul 26 23:54:51 and yum Jul 26 23:54:57 yum is yellow dog Jul 26 23:54:58 its goodtimes. I worked at Xandros once apon a blue moon, can't really hold anything against rh after that Jul 26 23:54:59 don't blame us Jul 26 23:55:00 :) Jul 26 23:55:06 and messing with binary formats without saying anything. Jul 26 23:55:14 awesomo4k: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pantsd Jul 26 23:55:39 * Chocky laffs Jul 26 23:55:39 yum is evil. regardless of the source. Jul 26 23:55:40 * tkep|fail notes that red hat contributes more to the kernel than anyone else...take that for what you will Jul 26 23:55:49 ab0oo: that would be my exact meaning Jul 26 23:55:52 and there are much worse "open" source companies out there Jul 26 23:55:54 anyone know how to change a ring/alert tone in qtopia? Jul 26 23:56:05 *cough*Google*cough* Jul 26 23:56:40 *cough*Novell*cough* Jul 26 23:56:41 They Do No Evil!! Jul 26 23:56:41 ha ha pantsd. Jul 26 23:56:54 Linspire. Jul 26 23:57:01 and I'll agree with the Novell comment. Jul 26 23:57:19 although, I would guess the worst seller-outer right now has to be negreponte Jul 26 23:57:37 you missed the Linspire thing then ;-) Jul 26 23:57:47 you ought to hear the watercooler talk at Red Hat about negroponte Jul 26 23:57:55 negre* Jul 26 23:57:55 i tried to use mknod to create a device corresponding to my newly created partition on the sd card Jul 26 23:57:58 "OLPC will never run Windows" "OLPC _might_ run windows" "OLPC can now dual boot" "In the future, OLPC will only run windows" Jul 26 23:58:02 and failed miserably. Jul 26 23:58:05 sekretly sold out to Xanadros (IIRC) without telling shareholders. And they also signed the MS thing with Novell Jul 26 23:58:12 i want 1.2.13 back Jul 26 23:58:22 considering it was based on fedora, and i work on the same floor as the fedora devs, man, that was a bad week when he announced that Jul 26 23:58:32 ab0oo: It's like a politician saying 4 times that he won't resign. Jul 26 23:58:41 or has a wide stance. Jul 26 23:58:51 * Chocky sticks with his Debian Jul 26 23:59:04 pfft@ debian ;) Jul 26 23:59:13 so yeah, anyway, not trying to start a distro war! Jul 26 23:59:18 *cough*ricers*cough* Jul 26 23:59:30 interesting.. "Atheros Releases Free Linux Driver For Its 802.11n Devices" Jul 26 23:59:32 I prefer this angstrom thing... :) Jul 26 23:59:45 i think we can all agree there Jul 26 23:59:45 :) Jul 26 23:59:51 yeah, which doesn't appear to do ANYTHING for it's 802.11abg devices Jul 27 00:00:00 which is busybox based, which came out of Debian Jul 27 00:00:04 yeah but it could be used in future gta products to get 802.11n Jul 27 00:00:04 ArtistX rox!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 27 00:00:05 its :p Jul 27 00:00:29 that I can tell. but the supported chip list is confusing Jul 27 00:00:30 now, like i was saying, i am well-seasoned with linux. but this is all new territory to me, and is very confusing. so my site is made, with the help of people, to make it easy to understand the usage, updating and setup of the phone Jul 27 00:00:36 but i need a community Jul 27 00:00:44 so if anyone wants to help, i need it from all sides Jul 27 00:00:47 what site are we talking about? Jul 27 00:00:47 what's the site, tkep|fail? Jul 27 00:00:50 * tkep|fail ends his spam about the site Jul 27 00:00:55 www.freerunnerhq.com Jul 27 00:00:59 it's still got a few kinks Jul 27 00:01:08 no file uploads yet, the DB is still being hammered on Jul 27 00:01:15 * Chocky already abused someone yesterday about having separate stuff on different wikki Jul 27 00:01:18 -k Jul 27 00:01:21 its really good that some of the latest technology is getting linux drivers Jul 27 00:01:25 but it's a wiki, message board, blog setup Jul 27 00:01:47 yes, but FR inforamtion is already very confused. Another site/wiki won't help. Jul 27 00:01:52 i saw that, Chocky was brutal Jul 27 00:01:59 Chocky, see, i want to leave it so that i don't mess with openmoko.org at all Jul 27 00:02:02 and i agree 100% Jul 27 00:02:10 * Chocky hazza look. Jul 27 00:02:29 but openmoko.org is, let's face it, based towards devs and really strong power users Jul 27 00:02:30 nikolajsheller: the guy he tried to help came back earlier, fortunately, and it was sorted, but still Jul 27 00:02:52 tkep|fail: that's no excuse, IMO. Anyway, I spent a bunch of time yesterday rewriting the networking page to make it reeeeeeeeal easy for noobs. Jul 27 00:03:09 i want to have a site that is facing towards users. easy to understand guides, as well as more aims Jul 27 00:03:18 lemme see Jul 27 00:03:22 i'm just curious Jul 27 00:03:23 if it's just news, that's one thing. but, no wiki. Jul 27 00:03:32 definitely not another wiki. Jul 27 00:03:33 because here's the worst thing, imo, about openmoko.org Jul 27 00:03:41 you cannot find anything Jul 27 00:03:42 it's a toilet? ;p Jul 27 00:03:47 oh, I know Jul 27 00:03:48 nor can you ask for it easily Jul 27 00:04:02 but another site isn't going to help that, not really Jul 27 00:04:37 if you want this site, here's what I strong suggest. Jul 27 00:04:53 "how to install ASU site:www.openmoko.org" is not very full of finesse Jul 27 00:04:53 make it news only, more like OSNews or something, allow comments for the stories. Jul 27 00:04:55 stick to that. Jul 27 00:05:11 correct, but that'll be fixed soon. Jul 27 00:05:18 having more information makes it worse, not better Jul 27 00:05:33 or.....people could just work on cleaning up the existing wiki..... Jul 27 00:05:39 s/news/news+blog/. stuff that's going on, being added, etc. Jul 27 00:05:42 i don't want to get into a pissing match, so forgive me Jul 27 00:06:02 but here's my view, and if you honestly, think it will get fixed soon, i'll be happy to just close the site altogether Jul 27 00:06:15 i'd want proof, but i have no problem with this Jul 27 00:06:17 I still think there should be a new site. Jul 27 00:06:21 but here goes: Jul 27 00:06:26 well, i don't want to keep up with news Jul 27 00:06:37 here's proof: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 27 00:06:37 there's not enough to keep up with atm Jul 27 00:06:56 no, it's not, but i'll read it. however, it is not my point. let me explain Jul 27 00:07:31 * Chocky groans at "success stories" on the wiki. Jul 27 00:09:28 The openmoko.org (om.org) site is very scattered. it is trying to be all things to all people. developers to end users. the terms used are cryptic even to me...and again, i'm not a regular joe, i know linux as an admin. however, this is not always a bad thing. just as developer notes lead to good guides for users, this site would lead to good guides for users, and very easy to find. you wouldn't be bugging devs for better te Jul 27 00:09:28 rms. Jul 27 00:09:44 you know as well as i do that om.org reads like a man page Jul 27 00:09:57 I'm a Linux expert. it's appauling bad. Jul 27 00:10:08 if only it was as good as man page. Jul 27 00:10:25 so my point is this: this is a very high level wiki Jul 27 00:10:32 not aimed at half of the stuff openmoko is Jul 27 00:10:35 hence the rewrite. I'm an experienced technical writer also. But this will take time. Jul 27 00:11:24 Does anyone know what package I get the gnu assembler in, I'm missing 'as' Jul 27 00:11:30 binutils Jul 27 00:11:36 Thanks Jul 27 00:11:59 But it's not clear what type of content you want. give us some examples. Jul 27 00:12:11 chocky Jul 27 00:12:13 oops Jul 27 00:12:14 sorry Jul 27 00:12:17 :o Jul 27 00:12:22 Chocky, i really do like your network page Jul 27 00:12:24 much better Jul 27 00:12:33 but i would have a much more concise page Jul 27 00:12:41 anyone can point me to a well explained way to make wlan work? Jul 27 00:12:42 ah, you should have seen it ;-) Jul 27 00:12:45 yours would be chopped up Jul 27 00:12:57 all the same content, but for different things Jul 27 00:13:02 but an example page would be: Jul 27 00:13:21 I wish it were more consise, and in fact, for the vast majority of users, just the first bit is required. Unfortunately, it needs to be exhaustive. Jul 27 00:13:35 i agree completely Jul 27 00:13:39 you understand what i want then Jul 27 00:13:43 just differently Jul 27 00:13:51 see, same guide, just chopped Jul 27 00:14:24 perhaps. What I understand is what needs to be in such documents to make them useful for almost everybody. And that tends to be a lot longer than we'd really prefer. chopping only helps so much. Jul 27 00:14:25 one sec Jul 27 00:14:51 but at the same time, there's a whole lot of useless crap in the wiki that does no one any good being there. Just random comments from people. Jul 27 00:14:56 sorry, i am getting acall Jul 27 00:15:05 chocky, yes. Jul 27 00:15:15 there isn't a forum for om.org Jul 27 00:15:21 and that is something that is very helpful Jul 27 00:15:25 there are the mailing lists, but those are pretty grim. Jul 27 00:15:29 quite Jul 27 00:15:41 RH works on mailing lists, and i miss stuff all the time Jul 27 00:15:48 but I think news stories that people can comment on in a forum manner would be better. Jul 27 00:15:55 I think the state of the wiki represents (quite accurately) the splinters caused by 4 "competing" distros Jul 27 00:16:04 even if it's just tiny "news" stuff. new packages, etc. Jul 27 00:16:23 ab0oo, Chocky--good point, and that's *my* biggest problem right now Jul 27 00:16:33 the areas that are common to all (sound, networking, etc) are fairly well fleshed out. The areas that are more distro-specific have more or less content, based on the "popularity" of the distro Jul 27 00:16:47 i want my phone to work currently, but with the 4 distros (more if you include debian et al), i don't know where to start Jul 27 00:16:48 I don't think anyone has a handle on the complete picture. I am, however, trying. Jul 27 00:16:49 there's more data for 2007.2, because it's the default. Jul 27 00:16:57 and om.org doesn't tell anything about it Jul 27 00:17:12 it does, but it's a bit hidden, and not well explained. Jul 27 00:17:23 someone did a good article a while back too Jul 27 00:17:29 i want this to be, basically, a site that tells up front "what do you want to do with your freerunner, ok, here's how to do it" Jul 27 00:17:38 certainly. Jul 27 00:17:54 with a main page like om.org has right now, that won't happen Jul 27 00:18:19 with everything so splintered between users and devs and ancient stuff from early neo1973, that won't happen Jul 27 00:18:38 this is freerunner only, end-user only driven Jul 27 00:18:41 or at least that's my hope Jul 27 00:18:48 we'll see. there are ways to organize. Jul 27 00:18:54 i think that about says it, so take it how you will Jul 27 00:19:16 eh, it's been stagnate since i have received the phone. i still don't understand why my battery life is so poor Jul 27 00:19:25 i can ask in here, but where is it documented? Jul 27 00:19:44 perhaps no where, yet. it will be. Jul 27 00:20:30 you have poor battery life, too? Jul 27 00:20:34 basically, i am trying to remedy my frustrration with the notion that this phone was supposed to be ready for "mass market" and then it was quietly downgraded to ready for developers Jul 27 00:20:37 ab0oo, terrible Jul 27 00:20:40 although SpeedEvil has some canned responses for some of this stuff Jul 27 00:20:55 in short, the suspend stuff is very much a work in progress. Jul 27 00:21:19 Chocky, that's great to know. now it can be added to my site in 30 seconds, and it will be very visible. Jul 27 00:21:22 tkep|fail, as a phone it works. if you step outside the solid 2007.2 distribution you're on your own. otherwise you're completely free to modify it as you like :) Jul 27 00:21:23 so writing anything down about it, sadly, would quickly go out of date. Jul 27 00:21:39 thus, wiki? Jul 27 00:21:49 it can be added to the wiki, and be visible, and tie into relevant information and also be obvious. Jul 27 00:22:14 but I wouldn't personally write about it, since I don't have first hand knowledge of the detalis. Jul 27 00:22:20 trix, of course, thus open source. but i can't even get my updates right atm. so i am working on that Jul 27 00:22:27 writing down random/incomplete things for users is sometimes worse. Jul 27 00:22:34 i.e much of the wiki right now :-( Jul 27 00:22:34 Chocky, ok, so how can we do it on om.org? Jul 27 00:22:56 sorry to be offtopic, anyone use navit? Jul 27 00:22:58 i don't even know where to start, and what (let's be honest here) will get me flamed for weeks for changing on the site Jul 27 00:23:02 with garmin maps? Jul 27 00:23:05 tkep|fail, i understand your frustration then. there are good feelings ahead, once you're connected and can get the daily updates :) Jul 27 00:23:17 you need to talk to some of the devs here during the week and get the complete picture. Jul 27 00:23:24 daily updates would be great :) Jul 27 00:23:30 yes, they would. Jul 27 00:23:33 hence "news" Jul 27 00:23:42 lol Jul 27 00:23:50 one site which listed all the goings on would be fantabulous. Jul 27 00:23:53 ok, so no budging at all from you, no worries Jul 27 00:24:03 well, even so, we can work on that Jul 27 00:24:16 but if that's the case, why can't we add that to the main om.org? Jul 27 00:24:26 here's what i've seen since i've been following this phone Jul 27 00:24:32 i've wanted it since last year Jul 27 00:24:44 i could not wait Jul 27 00:24:52 perhaps. but there's some merit to a separate site. Jul 27 00:25:01 but half the time, i had no idea exactly what i was wanting Jul 27 00:25:06 and a wiki isn't the ideal thing for news. wikinews aside :o Jul 27 00:25:06 everything was so scattered Jul 27 00:25:33 eh, tikiwiki can handle about anything. i'm working it pretty hard right now under the hood for some new stuff Jul 27 00:25:41 ...navit anyone...? Jul 27 00:25:43 if you can make it an RSS blog/news thing then that will be more widley read. Jul 27 00:25:57 and google indexed, etc. Jul 27 00:25:59 or a working wlan config? Jul 27 00:26:56 Anyway, there's about 10 main topics that need comprehensive, and accurate documentatino written for them. USB networking, wlan ;-), GPS, power saving, distros, opkg and feeds, couple of others. Jul 27 00:28:01 Chocky, maybe this is my problem. i don't want to just dive in and start editing stuff on om.org. not out of the fact that i am too lazy. but i don't know where to begin or what i can touch. what is hands off? i guess that's what the discussion portion is for, and i can handle that. Jul 27 00:28:16 but aside from individual articles, the layout is horrendous Jul 27 00:28:31 i don't know how i could just go in and start editing it Jul 27 00:28:37 throw around some abuse in here, get feedback. make some alternate pages before you replace the main content. Jul 27 00:28:53 it is broad, ranging from devs to users, that's the issue Jul 27 00:28:57 but i'll leave it at that Jul 27 00:29:07 i want to continue this, but i have family walking in the door Jul 27 00:29:10 time to entertain! Jul 27 00:29:13 moo! Jul 27 00:29:17 thanks for the time...i'll be back later Jul 27 00:29:18 :) Jul 27 00:29:59 take it easy Chocky ab0oo and the rest of you Jul 27 00:30:06 seeya tkep Jul 27 00:30:13 trix too! Jul 27 00:30:13 haha Jul 27 00:30:13 seeya, tkep Jul 27 00:30:26 hi all Jul 27 00:30:34 what is the latest stable 2007.2? Jul 27 00:30:41 heh Jul 27 00:30:53 the resellers in europe are also out of stock? Jul 27 00:31:05 I think he brought a murky problem into specific relief, Chocky. Jul 27 00:31:33 "stable"? Jul 27 00:31:41 or the wiki? That was hardly a secret. Jul 27 00:31:46 railer: try this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/recommended/ Jul 27 00:32:11 why are there no images anymore on buildhost.openmoko.org? Jul 27 00:32:14 "Note that the recommended set is not always the latest, but is the most stable, reliable, and functional." Jul 27 00:32:15 any new ones? Jul 27 00:32:30 edistar: dunno, you have to go back a few days. Jul 27 00:32:34 Chocky: okey.. Jul 27 00:32:42 the stable is from april? Jul 27 00:32:44 seems "stable enough" Jul 27 00:32:44 the last ASU image doesn't work for me at all Jul 27 00:32:57 "doesn't work" :o Jul 27 00:33:01 railer: see the reviews here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review Jul 27 00:33:42 Chocky: can't even input my pin Jul 27 00:34:14 that should qualify as "doesn't work" Jul 27 00:34:15 Chocky: I'm not sure what I'm missing now, but I don't have libc header files, or crt0, do you know how I can install them? Jul 27 00:34:19 ok i think i found where suspend stuff hides Jul 27 00:34:22 edistar, /daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/, and then opkg update/upgrade Jul 27 00:34:23 /usr/lib/hal/scripts/ Jul 27 00:34:32 thank hhf423 Jul 27 00:34:38 trix: I'll try Jul 27 00:35:02 not sure why some of the images stopped showing up in the dailies Jul 27 00:35:24 all of them.. Jul 27 00:35:47 maybe a build error ;) Jul 27 00:36:15 yeah possibly, possible also nothing changed so they didn't republish the same files Jul 27 00:36:25 a note on there would definitely help though Jul 27 00:36:43 or a symlink. Jul 27 00:36:51 yeah Jul 27 00:36:58 what's the best useable build to get Jul 27 00:36:59 safiiru: dunno for certainly, but there will be a glic-dev or similar. Jul 27 00:37:14 awesomo4k: IMO, the path from trix above. Jul 27 00:37:27 or opkg update from any GTK Jul 27 00:37:57 Chocky: I see, I've installed all the compiler packages but not the dev portions. Jul 27 00:38:00 just go with the daily builds Jul 27 00:38:03 ? Jul 27 00:38:21 awesomo4k: yeah Jul 27 00:38:23 awesomo4k: essentially. but opkg update may be more convinient Jul 27 00:39:13 well i just flashed to Openmoko-celtune-monster Jul 27 00:39:19 to see what that was all about. Jul 27 00:39:22 sounds bad. Jul 27 00:39:33 boot hangs on "Remounting root filesystem" Jul 27 00:39:39 ouch Jul 27 00:40:29 makes me wonder if i'm doing something wrong Jul 27 00:41:03 did opkg update/grade, still can't input any pin Jul 27 00:41:20 do I have to add a specifid repo? Jul 27 00:41:50 edistar: are you using the ASU mess? Jul 27 00:41:58 Chocky: it's a mess right now, yes Jul 27 00:42:04 then perhaps. Jul 27 00:42:11 my recommendation is the GTK stuff right nwo Jul 27 00:42:36 but there are additional repositories for ASU. somewhere on the mailing list. Jul 27 00:43:24 okey Jul 27 00:43:36 when i loaded asu the icons didn't show up for the apps Jul 27 00:43:39 big mess, isn't it? if even raster does not like illume.. Jul 27 00:48:06 Chocky: Thanks, I believe things are working correctly, ./configure is running (really slowly) and not complaining anymore. Jul 27 00:49:12 I am going to attempt to compile ruby1.8.7 :) Jul 27 00:49:22 hurmph. Jul 27 00:49:36 Don't like ruby? Jul 27 00:49:36 didn't want to cross compile? ;p Jul 27 00:50:06 Well I develop on osx, and I actually thought this would be easier than doing that. Jul 27 00:50:11 on osx Jul 27 00:50:17 perhaps. Jul 27 00:51:10 I did manage to set up a cross compiler for the wii ppc before on here though, so maybe I could, I'll see how this goes. Jul 27 00:52:37 From the looks of it so far, compiling anything large on the FR is going to take a significant amount of time. Jul 27 00:52:42 yes Jul 27 00:54:28 I'll maybe look into how to make in ipkg of this for everyone later on. Jul 27 00:55:34 hrm, if I try to get onto my wifi, I `ifdown usb0`, 'ifup eth0', then to go back I do the opposite, but then my keyboard inputs are corrupted. Specifically my "0" is inputed as a "}" and there are a couple other similar cases. Is this common? Jul 27 00:55:50 yeah, sounds familiar. Jul 27 00:56:18 Chocky: know of a way to reset it? Jul 27 00:56:23 no. Jul 27 00:56:50 i get that too Jul 27 00:56:58 its a real pain Jul 27 00:57:17 think restarting x does it Jul 27 00:57:50 kd8ikt: I'm about 10 sec ahead of you. but thanks Jul 27 00:58:03 though x isn't wanting to reset... :( Jul 27 00:58:28 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart ? Jul 27 00:58:54 did that... it dropped to a cli as expected, and wasn't coming back up to a gui Jul 27 00:59:13 alright what'd you breal Jul 27 00:59:17 braek Jul 27 00:59:46 break? :) Nothing as far as I can tell... Jul 27 01:00:12 wtf am i the only person with suspend issues Jul 27 01:00:18 though my eth0 wasn't going down, and my usb0 wasn't coming up, so I think there was a background issue somewhere. Jul 27 01:00:24 or is this wiki article i'm reading for the gta01 Jul 27 01:00:31 kd8ikt: suspend issues how? Jul 27 01:00:51 wakes up for no apparent reason and the screen is solid white Jul 27 01:00:58 When my FR comes back from suspend my screen is sometimes all white and I have to reboot/restart x. Jul 27 01:01:11 kd8ikt, yep Jul 27 01:01:20 other then the screen not properly comming up it seems to work fine Jul 27 01:01:35 Yeah it's just X I think. Jul 27 01:02:02 like i had it in suspend one night when i passed out, woke up with it in nightlight mode so it def saved battery Jul 27 01:02:29 just image howmuch longer it would last if the display was off Jul 27 01:02:32 "nightlight mode" awesome Jul 27 01:03:15 I have a lot of trouble seeing my screen if it is too sunny outside, I wonder how the iphone fares in that situation.. Jul 27 01:03:40 does the FR keep a local list of contacts? or is it read solely from the SIM? Jul 27 01:03:44 pluss i cant find any way to change the brightness level for good it keeps reverting to some hardcoded crap Jul 27 01:04:07 ~/.evolution (2007.2 OM build jffs) Jul 27 01:04:18 thanks Jul 27 01:09:07 wow, i've only just realised just how terrible the glamo is Jul 27 01:09:13 ieatlint: why? Jul 27 01:09:20 trying to draw a moving line graph... Jul 27 01:09:40 ieatlint: should be no problem as long as you don't update all the pixels at the same time Jul 27 01:09:50 it only works if i set the poll rate to about 5fps and use 1/3rd or less of the screen -- and that's still 100% Jul 27 01:10:00 I get about 40fps when updating 50x50px areas Jul 27 01:10:22 yeah, just means i need to actually write something that does it rather than use an existing library Jul 27 01:10:38 yes Jul 27 01:10:42 which toolkit? Jul 27 01:10:51 was using a random one i found called rtgraph Jul 27 01:10:59 okey Jul 27 01:11:07 evas is pretty fast. Jul 27 01:11:27 on a 1.2ghz system of mine, it uses 3% cpu, as a comparison, hehe Jul 27 01:11:34 heh Jul 27 01:11:43 with 80fps and a ~400x400 pixel box Jul 27 01:11:45 try setting 5 fps ;) Jul 27 01:12:06 i did, no go... as i said, 5fps with i use 1/3rd or less Jul 27 01:12:20 strange Jul 27 01:12:23 i'll get it working, i'm sure Jul 27 01:12:40 either badly written software or absolutely rubbishy glamo Jul 27 01:12:53 i want to build a useless app for my own amusement... line graph that reports the g-force as reported the accelerometer Jul 27 01:13:16 although I found it bareable Jul 27 01:13:32 sounds like good fun Jul 27 01:14:03 *bearable Jul 27 01:14:18 bare is more fun Jul 27 01:14:42 hehe Jul 27 01:19:51 ieatlint: note: bus to glamo is only 7MB, do your math -__-; Jul 27 01:20:21 screw you and your math Jul 27 01:20:23 :P Jul 27 01:20:49 I would hope that the 7mb/sec is for commands, not for moving pixels back and forth... Jul 27 01:20:51 anyway, yeah, looking at the random module i found to do this, it simply redraws a pixbuf at every poll... which indeed would overload the glamo Jul 27 01:21:01 you shouldn't be sending it bitmaps to draw, you should be telling it "draw me a square here" Jul 27 01:21:26 maybe i don't like squares Jul 27 01:21:33 just an example Jul 27 01:21:38 lines should be supported too, I would think Jul 27 01:21:40 if you do the math 7MB is enough for 12 full screen frames per seconds Jul 27 01:21:40 with normally writen lib you should get 11fps when changing every pixel of the screen Jul 27 01:21:54 balrog-k1n: is that assuming you're moving full screen bitmaps? Jul 27 01:22:01 Yanroy: yea Jul 27 01:22:03 and you only really do full screen for playing videos Jul 27 01:22:13 or once when starting a new app Jul 27 01:22:15 and games Jul 27 01:22:25 so for simple GUIs and such that are mostly drawing primitive shapes, it should be REALLY fast Jul 27 01:22:30 I think it just isn't optimized yet Jul 27 01:22:35 Chocky: you mostly scroll or something, in games Jul 27 01:22:42 scrolling is fast Jul 27 01:22:46 mostly, but not always Jul 27 01:22:57 it's true that most games only update bits of the screen Jul 27 01:23:09 Yanroy, i'm not doing anything low level, i'm drawing images... so between the cpu making these and then drawing them, it won't be too fast Jul 27 01:23:15 of they do, they're not the type of games that should run on a phone anyway probably Jul 27 01:23:16 also, if it has memory for storing images onboard (vram), then you just load it up once and then draw it wherever you want, whenever you want Jul 27 01:24:07 what i need is to indeed do something that draws lines using the glamo's api, which is not a task for me right now... as i'm supposed to be driving somewhere Jul 27 01:26:27 does anyone know what's wrong with the touchscreen in landscape mode? is that something that I could go fix with a few minutes of looking at code? :D Jul 27 01:27:06 Yanroy, i can tell you it uses xrandr to change its orientation, if that helps Jul 27 01:31:32 hmm... dunno if that helps :P Jul 27 01:31:42 I need to get into the code, but I'm trying wifi right now Jul 27 01:31:55 I got GPS going earlier, but I couldn't get tangoGPS to talk to gpsd Jul 27 01:32:03 just the agpsui thingy Jul 27 01:32:16 agpsui doesn't use gpsd Jul 27 01:32:47 but agpsui will turn on the gps device, gpsd will only read from it... you need to turn it on yourself Jul 27 01:33:38 ieatlint: I turned it on with agpsui (left it running in the background). I also tried turning it on with the power menu Jul 27 01:33:47 tangoGPS said "no gps found" or something like that Jul 27 01:36:10 Yanroy: not really into code, you might need to replace /etc/pointercal with one calibrated for the rotate mode when you rotate Jul 27 01:36:16 same with qvga Jul 27 01:45:36 balrog-k1n: hmm... you make a good point Jul 27 01:46:15 is ttyS3 the right device for gps? gpsd is complaining that it doesn't exist Jul 27 01:47:19 is there a way to easily copy contacts from a SIM to the FR? Jul 27 01:47:52 Toaster`: there's a python script for it Jul 27 01:48:06 but the latest daily of 2007.2 and ASU both read the contacts from the SIM correctly Jul 27 01:48:32 Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts Jul 27 01:48:37 That it does, but I'll be getting a new SIM tomorrow... Jul 27 01:48:48 I don't know if you can write them back to the SIM again Jul 27 01:49:20 by looking through the python source, it seems that it's fairly straightforward to interface with the GSM modem directly, so you could probably figure out how to write a program to save the contacts back again :) Jul 27 01:49:58 /to Jul 27 01:50:15 cool. I just may Jul 27 01:51:54 http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/brickhouse.jpg Jul 27 01:52:07 is there a log for gpsd that will tell me if/when it has a fix? as someone mentioned, agpsui doesn't use it, so that doesn't help Jul 27 01:52:28 kd8ikt: interesting... Jul 27 01:52:31 heh Jul 27 01:52:45 the things one can find searching google Jul 27 01:52:59 what, may I ask, were you searching for to find that? Jul 27 01:53:17 unlocked Jul 27 01:53:26 images page 9 Jul 27 01:53:46 amazing searching for images of "unlocked" bring mostly iphones ;) Jul 27 01:53:56 :P Jul 27 01:54:11 cause i'm modifying my neod's lock screen Jul 27 01:54:39 kd8ikt: I was hoping to modify that as well... can you let me know what you're doing and how? Jul 27 01:54:53 maybe we can even work together on improving it... I'd like to see a clock on it, first and foremost Jul 27 01:55:04 I figure that's an easy enough change, if I find the right code Jul 27 01:55:08 howbout i put linux tux/openmoko symbol top(unlock) and MS windows logo/itunes/apple images at bottom (locked) Jul 27 01:55:25 lol Jul 27 01:55:26 all you need to do is modify the images in /usr/share/neod... i think Jul 27 01:55:31 are you just changing the theme, or the source? Jul 27 01:55:55 I want to modify its functionality Jul 27 01:55:59 it's annoying as hell right now Jul 27 01:56:08 neod is where one would look Jul 27 01:56:17 yeah Jul 27 01:56:28 I need to actually go read that "moko development in 5 minutes" blog post I found the other day Jul 27 01:56:29 i'm just moding my pics Jul 27 01:58:17 I want to add the little icons in the top right corner to the lock screen (maybe just the signal strength and battery) so when you're on a call, you know what's going on Jul 27 01:58:31 also, a suspend-now button would be nice, or something to prevent screen taps from waking it up Jul 27 02:00:14 does anyone know how to submit patches to the base images? fixing the path to the GPS tty would be a good start... no reason that should have a wrong default Jul 27 02:00:32 I want a way to make it so that I have to press a button to wake the scereen once it's gone to sleep Jul 27 02:01:05 b/c righ tnow if it goes in m pocket the battery gets eaten by the screen and backlight coming on whenever I move Jul 27 02:01:07 thats its current functionality Jul 27 02:01:20 only its not suspending/sleeping Jul 27 02:03:25 oh? Jul 27 02:03:46 you meen screenlock not sleep/suspend Jul 27 02:03:59 yeah Jul 27 02:04:20 or maybe I want sleep/suspent to kick in after screenlock? Jul 27 02:04:30 if it's suspended, will it wake on an incoming call or SMS ? Jul 27 02:04:38 * kd8ikt cant wait to get suspend to work Jul 27 02:04:47 yes it will/does Jul 27 02:08:08 foolish question. What folder holds the lock screen images? I remember finding something on the wiki ages ago, but I can't seem to find it now Jul 27 02:08:21 i just said it Jul 27 02:08:26 /usr/share/neod Jul 27 02:08:56 sorry, was afk. Thanks. Jul 27 02:11:37 suspend works already Jul 27 02:11:49 my FR suspends after about 2 mins of inactivity... never had a problem on resume Jul 27 02:11:54 and it seems to resume on a phone call Jul 27 02:12:07 the only trick is getting it to go to sleep if its in my pocket... I keep hitting the screen Jul 27 02:12:24 i think mines broke then cause the white screen always happens Jul 27 02:12:34 kd8ikt: latest kernel and rootfs? Jul 27 02:12:40 yea Jul 27 02:12:44 hmm... Jul 27 02:13:05 i always get the white screen of death Jul 27 02:13:40 I dunno how to help you on that one... unless you can configure it to auto-restart X on resume Jul 27 02:14:06 also, on my laptop, I used to have to switch to a different tty before suspending and then switch back after resuming or it would clobber the graphics... could be something similar here Jul 27 02:14:17 does this thing even have different ttys? Jul 27 02:14:37 * Yanroy thinks tangoGPS is really, really awesome now that he has it working Jul 27 02:15:09 what image are you using? Jul 27 02:15:18 OM2007 or ... Jul 27 02:15:19 2007.2 Jul 27 02:15:25 cool Jul 27 02:15:29 huh... Jul 27 02:15:29 I couldn't get it to suspend at all with the ASU Jul 27 02:15:34 that was one of the reasons I switched back Jul 27 02:15:44 make us a quick & dirty how-to Jul 27 02:15:56 tango has always worked for me Jul 27 02:16:07 was the wiki correct? Jul 27 02:16:18 Yanroy: Suspend works for me it just won't do any vibrate or sound alerts ever. Jul 27 02:16:20 is Jul 27 02:16:41 kd8ikt: there are two tricks poorly explained on the wiki: change the path to the GPS device to /dev/ttySAC1, and start gpsd Jul 27 02:17:29 linuxxr: about what? Jul 27 02:18:08 Centaur5: I'm letting mine go to sleep now, then I'll try to call it. I'm pretty sure I've had it wake up before Jul 27 02:19:17 Yanroy: Mine will wake up I just don't get any alerts about anything. I also fixed the keyboard problem yesterday. Jul 27 02:20:06 keyboard? Jul 27 02:20:35 kd8ikt: keyboard on ASU doesn't work anymore unless you change the repositories. Jul 27 02:21:12 but it does work eventaully? Jul 27 02:21:24 I installed the matchbox keyboard on ASU and it basically killed the whole thing Jul 27 02:21:32 Yep, I followed some instructions from the mailing list and it worked like a charm. Jul 27 02:21:40 is the ASU usable? Jul 27 02:21:53 it seemed to have a lot of shortcomings beyond the missing keybooard, but that was what made me switch back :D Jul 27 02:22:03 I feel like I have a better chance at contributing if I use 2007.2 Jul 27 02:22:18 Yanroy: I've been using it ever since yesterday. I've had to reboot a couple times when illume froze up and I couldn't see the top half of my screen. Jul 27 02:22:23 maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll start to dig into the code. I'm still exploring everything it can do out of the box Jul 27 02:23:15 i did grab a dmesg\/logread before/after suspend when suspend awoke for no reason 5min later with a white screen Jul 27 02:23:41 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ Jul 27 02:24:58 what caused the wakeup Jul 26 19:55:58 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: modem wakeup interrupt Jul 27 02:25:42 gsm modem? i dunno Jul 27 02:26:59 yeah, I just got one of those just now... :P Jul 27 02:28:31 maybe i'll upgrade the kernel yet again Jul 27 02:32:58 hi could someone help me with a mokomakefile problem? Jul 27 02:35:42 maybe. Jul 27 02:36:52 ok I want to compile the OM2007.2 image but it fails always by compiling the glibc-2.6.1 Jul 27 02:37:04 hm, dunno. Jul 27 02:37:28 I tried all steps from the mokomakefile wiki page Jul 27 02:37:39 but it doesn't work Jul 27 02:37:40 ask on developer mailin glist Jul 27 02:37:50 and more detail there than "doesn't work" Jul 27 02:38:12 should I post the complete output? Jul 27 02:38:27 enough for the error to be obvious Jul 27 02:38:33 Is the ASU supposed to suspemd out of the box? Jul 27 02:38:43 | See `config.log' for more details. Jul 27 02:38:43 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed Jul 27 02:38:43 NOTE: Task failed: /home/alex/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-2.6.1-r9/temp/log.do_configure.997 Jul 27 02:38:43 NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1-r9: task do_configure: failed Jul 27 02:38:43 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Jul 27 02:38:45 NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1: failed Jul 27 02:38:47 on the list Jul 27 02:38:47 ERROR: Build of /home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb do_configure failed Jul 27 02:38:49 ERROR: Task 217 (/home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb, do_configure) failed Jul 27 02:38:50 don't spam here Jul 27 02:38:51 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 381 tasks of which 381 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. Jul 27 02:38:53 ERROR: '/home/alex/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb' failed Jul 27 02:38:55 make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Fehler 1 Jul 27 02:38:57 *facepalm* Jul 27 02:41:29 pastebin exists for a reason Jul 27 02:41:44 fehler... methinks your german **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 02:59:57 2008