**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 31 02:59:57 2008 Jul 31 03:00:02 rooly: 7M/second, and that uses 100% of the CPU. Jul 31 03:00:03 rooly: there isnt any 3d driver and glamo sux Jul 31 03:00:42 and 7M/second is like 11fps Jul 31 03:00:45 * rooly says "hush" he's pitching the freerunner to his school Jul 31 03:00:56 torpor: not at QVGA Jul 31 03:01:17 SpeedEvil: torpor ? Jul 31 03:01:23 -__-;\ Jul 31 03:01:57 and i meant full res (640x480x16bit) Jul 31 03:10:09 hmph Jul 31 03:10:14 the phone has pretty decent idle time Jul 31 03:10:53 rooly: i.e.? Jul 31 03:11:08 so far, 12 hours or so Jul 31 03:11:13 and i didn't drain it all the way Jul 31 03:11:19 and i played around on it some Jul 31 03:12:35 does the wifi spontaneously turn itself on? Jul 31 03:13:13 don't think so Jul 31 03:13:30 does the power-screen selection display the wrong info then? Jul 31 03:14:08 ah rooly don't drain it al lthe way Jul 31 03:14:19 i think it might be on by default, but if you turn it off, afaik it will stay off Jul 31 03:14:20 already read about that dbmoodb Jul 31 03:15:12 the mofi project on projects.openmoko.org is pretty nice, was able to connect to my WEP router no problem Jul 31 03:16:15 or is it WPA, can't remember Jul 31 03:16:37 * rooly just wants to connect to his home router Jul 31 03:16:40 open Jul 31 03:16:50 i read somewhere that its supposed to auto connect to open networks Jul 31 03:17:16 what Jul 31 03:17:35 afaik you still have to run an app that does that. don't recall the name of the one in the repos Jul 31 03:18:17 lpotter: i dont think ipkg is trademarked , you must be mistaken Jul 31 03:18:35 lint-wifi? Jul 31 03:19:04 what's the wifi's device name? Jul 31 03:19:05 eth0? Jul 31 03:19:10 or what Jul 31 03:19:11 i guess i'm thinking of campwifi that comes with ASU Jul 31 03:19:13 best bet is to just configure wpa_supplicant.conf the way you want and make a lil start script Jul 31 03:19:36 kd8ikt: yep Jul 31 03:19:46 or do what i did any just added a usb keyboard :) Jul 31 03:19:54 * kd8ikt has his wlan script execed via gpsd Jul 31 03:20:03 kd8ikt: got kismet then ? Jul 31 03:20:09 no Jul 31 03:20:12 damn Jul 31 03:20:25 i want my rt73 module then kismet .... then i'm set Jul 31 03:20:40 oh and having a voip application couldn't hurt could it rofl ? Jul 31 03:21:26 the chip as far as i know cannot be set to promiscuous mode , not to mention kismet probably needs to be patch for speccific ar6k support Jul 31 03:21:30 anyone else using fso milestone2 to make calls? Jul 31 03:21:40 kd8ikt: don't care --= just want to log Jul 31 03:22:01 + like ia said i have my own usb wifi card that need some modules to be built Jul 31 03:22:30 hei, i just got my neo, which OS would u recommend? Jul 31 03:22:45 aggtrfrad: linux Jul 31 03:22:50 pfff Jul 31 03:22:54 leave it alone Jul 31 03:23:19 isnt there a newer release from openmoko? Jul 31 03:23:27 aggtrfrad: i have had the best luck with asu, thou it is a bit sluggish - try them all and see what works best for you Jul 31 03:23:44 g'dammit...how do i get a 0 on the terminal Jul 31 03:24:01 rooly: which image? Jul 31 03:24:04 hold the stylus on Jul 31 03:24:13 20080722, iirc Jul 31 03:24:30 rooly: 2007.2, asu, qtopia, fso? Jul 31 03:24:43 2007.2 Jul 31 03:25:26 the devel from here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/ Jul 31 03:25:31 i think you either need to edit the definition for that key or look up the instructions for installing the qwerty matchbox kb Jul 31 03:26:05 well, since i'm trying to ifconfig my phone so it can use the damned usb-networking... Jul 31 03:28:31 oh my god Jul 31 03:28:44 g'damned firestarter was messing it up the whole time Jul 31 03:29:30 is something wrong with the toolchain i can't opkg-target install most annoying Jul 31 03:30:32 ---- the opkg-cl file is not of the existing apparnetly Jul 31 03:32:06 wooo!!! Jul 31 03:33:19 oh, btw, kd8ikt, i just figured out my networking problem from yesterday Jul 31 03:35:53 ok, this is really wierd Jul 31 03:36:52 rooly: that's the problem ? Jul 31 03:37:11 the problem was that firestarter disallowed the outbound connection Jul 31 03:37:21 so i had to disable the firewall Jul 31 03:37:51 but for some reason, altho i can ssh, and i can resolve addresses, i can't seem to get replies from servers Jul 31 03:37:52 hi all :) is it posable/sane to mirror the opkg repositories? Jul 31 03:38:11 are you ssh'd via the usb ip? Jul 31 03:38:34 i find it works only after i reconnect to the eth0's ip Jul 31 03:38:56 yeah, kd8ikt Jul 31 03:39:10 eth0 or usb0? Jul 31 03:40:15 i always go a step further and ifconfig usb0 down Jul 31 03:40:25 kd8ikt: same Jul 31 03:40:42 vim /etc/resolve.conf ?? Jul 31 03:41:21 for some odd reason the latest fso isnt reliable on recieving calls fo r me so i'm going back to 2007 Jul 31 03:41:55 love to be able to install the fso keyboard on 2007 Jul 31 03:42:19 i did Jul 31 03:42:23 hrm Jul 31 03:42:28 glad i looked at the wiki Jul 31 03:42:35 matchbox ugly? Jul 31 03:42:41 because if i would have gotten networking working, i would have broken the os Jul 31 03:43:06 linuxxr: how? Jul 31 03:43:26 know the pkg name? is it just a matter of installing it? Jul 31 03:43:40 went back to 20070424 Jul 31 03:44:36 whatabout the fso keyboard? Jul 31 03:44:53 didnt do the keyboard thing i just use matchbox Jul 31 03:45:29 u know Jul 31 03:45:46 is pidgin ok? Jul 31 03:46:01 or is there something lighter Jul 31 03:46:20 ~pidgen Jul 31 03:46:29 ~pidgin Jul 31 03:46:34 lol Jul 31 03:47:00 i'm sure emesene is lighter http://www.emesene.org/ Jul 31 03:47:18 is that wat u use? Jul 31 03:47:31 no ... I personally use amsn Jul 31 03:47:46 for the freerunner I'd use emesene or amsn2 when it's released Jul 31 03:48:37 will it do yahoo? Jul 31 03:48:56 no clue Jul 31 03:49:03 o Jul 31 03:50:06 emesene looks pretty neat though Jul 31 03:53:36 is it multi account? Jul 31 03:55:05 dude .. check the client already .. I don't use it ! Jul 31 03:55:53 oo Jul 31 04:04:48 ok, this is weird Jul 31 04:04:54 i've got networking working Jul 31 04:05:08 except for internet Jul 31 04:05:15 what could be causing that Jul 31 04:06:36 it seems to be able to resolve addresses Jul 31 04:06:39 but it can't connect Jul 31 04:07:59 change /etc/resolv.conf to the /etc/resolv.conf value of your machine Jul 31 04:08:38 use vi Jul 31 04:11:56 right Jul 31 04:11:58 and then? Jul 31 04:16:29 done ? Jul 31 04:16:54 nope Jul 31 04:17:05 still resolving but no connection Jul 31 04:19:54 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jul 31 04:20:17 * kgoetz crosses fingers and hopes the FR will get a GPS fix Jul 31 04:20:21 ping -c 5 74.125.19.147 Jul 31 04:20:42 get anything with that? Jul 31 04:20:43 so far, not good :( Jul 31 04:21:28 network is unreachable Jul 31 04:22:15 rooly: checked routing? Jul 31 04:23:32 hi all. how long should a GPS take to get a fix? i've taken out the sd card Jul 31 04:23:42 kgoetz: ~180 seconds Jul 31 04:24:09 before that, you should see tangogps change from 0/0 to 3/0 or so Jul 31 04:24:11 cjb: i think its been that long. i'll give it a few more minutes though Jul 31 04:24:21 (or whatever you're using) Jul 31 04:24:50 imhp agpsgui is nice for getting the first fix Jul 31 04:26:03 yup, they're both good Jul 31 04:26:36 dont seem to be getting a fix :( Jul 31 04:26:46 kgoetz: do you have any sats at all? are you outside? Jul 31 04:27:20 cjb: i'm sitting by a (tinted) window. and no, i dont seem to have anything Jul 31 04:27:43 has it ever worked? if not, you might try outside first. Jul 31 04:28:05 cjb: tryin for the first time now. Jul 31 04:29:01 maybe your window is thicker than you think :) Jul 31 04:29:37 maybe! i'll sit the FR on the window outside. brb. Jul 31 04:37:32 cjb: after a few min outside i picked up 9 sats :) Jul 31 04:37:48 now, i need to work out how to get my maps downloading! Jul 31 04:40:23 cool :) Jul 31 04:40:29 in tango, zoom out to encompass the area you want to download Jul 31 04:40:36 tap the screen, choose map download, choose +5 or whatever Jul 31 04:40:48 anyone got the xkcd cybord gps directioneer working yet? Jul 31 04:40:50 before doing that, you might go to config and change the map store location to /media/card/foo Jul 31 04:41:13 cjb: not a bad idea Jul 31 04:41:15 rooly: the GPS-Sight people were interested Jul 31 04:41:39 * rooly got his networking working Jul 31 04:41:50 now...i need a decent keyboard Jul 31 04:42:10 so buy one :) Jul 31 04:42:20 software keyboard for the phone Jul 31 04:42:23 any in the repo's? Jul 31 04:42:26 rooly: what was the networking issue? Jul 31 04:42:36 altogether? Jul 31 04:42:45 in the end Jul 31 04:42:51 i forgot to do the first part from the wiki Jul 31 04:43:01 is there any iphone-like stopwatch app? Jul 31 04:43:10 plus, my firewall was blocking it at first Jul 31 04:43:24 just curious Jul 31 04:43:33 i'm going to try to write one if there isn't already Jul 31 04:43:57 damn it Jul 31 04:44:22 $5 to any one who can give me 1.kismet 2. rt73 usb driver and 3. pidgin-otr Jul 31 04:45:55 no takers ? Jul 31 04:46:10 maps dont seem to be downloading, :/ anyone aware of an http-proxy setting for tangoGPS? Jul 31 04:46:35 damn bribery really doesn't work in the open source world kgoetz --- mmm i noticed that too perhaps we should turn the proxy off ? Jul 31 04:47:15 dbmoodb: i /want/ to cache it :) Jul 31 04:47:24 dbmoodb: i thinnk it does work, just the numbers are larger Jul 31 04:47:56 it works, FOSS folks like food too... :D Jul 31 04:48:10 hehe. Jul 31 04:48:11 is there some kind of list available for what i can install? Jul 31 04:48:34 Are there any gps apps that will let you tell it coordinates you want to go to yet? Jul 31 04:49:05 rooly: opkg list Jul 31 04:49:31 Centaur5: i thought .. it could -- the nice tangogps thing Jul 31 04:50:07 dbmoodb: Maybe I just missed it. How do you tell it where to go then? Jul 31 04:50:31 Centaur5: by tapping that location on the screen and setting a waypoint Jul 31 04:50:52 what the easiest way to get a development environment? Jul 31 04:51:06 install the toolchain ? Jul 31 04:51:18 2007.2/fso/ASU/ASU-devel? Jul 31 04:51:18 Okay, now my question is how is it possible to launch tangogps on ASU or is it? Jul 31 04:59:28 dbmoodb, which devel kit: 2007.2/fso/ASU/ASU-devel? Jul 31 04:59:58 ok Jul 31 05:00:00 so... Jul 31 05:02:59 tangogps seems to be saying its got 8 satalites, but my location is at 0.0 in all directions (somewhere near africa) Jul 31 05:03:34 in the water Jul 31 05:03:36 hm Jul 31 05:03:43 fso?! Jul 31 05:03:47 odd Jul 31 05:04:08 kgoetz: Sweet, you found out where nowhere can be found! :) Jul 31 05:04:30 i want to throw a gentoo rootfs on the sd card Jul 31 05:04:41 Centaur5: : Jul 31 05:04:43 D Jul 31 05:04:56 Gentoo is fucking awesome. Jul 31 05:05:18 i think i'd need a bigger card before i even begin to try Jul 31 05:06:25 * araujo wonders if Sargun also has Gentoo on the FR Jul 31 05:06:34 No. Jul 31 05:08:13 so i'm getting maps, just no location. i'm getting closer :D Jul 31 05:08:29 who has gentoo on his FR ? Jul 31 05:08:32 when it says "Satellites: 8/0" does that mean i can use 8, or its seen 8 and theres none atm Jul 31 05:09:00 can you boot from MiniSD? Jul 31 05:09:12 Sargun: Gentoo is fucken awesome but not on the FR ! Jul 31 05:09:13 I need a big ARM system Jul 31 05:09:26 I can't even get a image to build for the FR Jul 31 05:09:27 :-( Jul 31 05:10:17 i built 2007.2 vi mokomake Jul 31 05:10:22 via* Jul 31 05:10:38 although thats no great feat Jul 31 05:11:11 dang i cant find that boot sd wiki page Jul 31 05:15:07 bingo http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Jul 31 05:15:29 dont you just select sd from the uboot? :| Jul 31 05:15:39 any thoughts on the GPS stuff? Jul 31 05:17:28 well you need a filesystem on the card for it Jul 31 05:17:57 and a kernel Jul 31 05:20:41 kernel should be om first partition (which should be of type fat).. kernel filename should be uImage.bin Jul 31 05:21:04 filesystem should be put on second partition (which I recommend is of type ext2) Jul 31 05:21:56 if you want to boot from a SDHC card, you need to upgrade u-boot aswell Jul 31 05:22:08 i'm not doing it right now just reading up on the proccess gives me a better understanding of setting uboot stuff Jul 31 05:22:29 amd the entire boot proccess Jul 31 05:24:48 my u-boot on my FreeRunner was ready setup for booting from sd-card Jul 31 05:24:58 http://www.emdebian.org/ Jul 31 05:27:42 i'd love gentoo but i just dont think it would be practical without a compile host Jul 31 05:28:05 and noone like waiting for emerge Jul 31 05:28:17 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_gentoo_on_a_pda_or_embedded_system Jul 31 05:31:46 * kgoetz frowns at the FR and hopes it will place nice later Jul 31 05:32:02 kd8ikt: theres instructions on running debian in the OM wiki too Jul 31 05:32:38 kgoetz: yeah -- i tried those you need to remember to set the kernel up Jul 31 05:33:15 dbmoodb: i havent tried yet, i got the impression the image didnt fit on the sd card yet. looking forward to trying it though :) Jul 31 05:33:30 * kgoetz wonders if the GPS stuff works better or worse Jul 31 05:33:57 well. ocnsidering root will be on the SD card i'd say it'd be more noisy Jul 31 05:34:01 kgoetz: no no as in i was doing it myself Jul 31 05:34:14 i debootstraped it Jul 31 05:34:20 there are instructions Jul 31 05:34:25 now, whatabout usb rootfs ? Jul 31 05:34:47 kd8ikt: got the usb ? Jul 31 05:34:48 dbmoodb: aaah. i see. Jul 31 05:34:57 er wait usb transfers at usb1 speeds would probably go slower then the sdio Jul 31 05:35:09 * kgoetz was going to re-image with debian today, but just spent a few hours installing OM packages Jul 31 05:35:24 kd8ikt: mmm who cares --- good idea i will try it out Jul 31 05:35:47 now that should help with GPS cause the sdcard can be pulled out Jul 31 05:36:17 tango gps isn't fetching the maps very well tho Jul 31 05:37:15 i cant wokr out where fetched maps are going Jul 31 05:37:20 and it just crashed :) Jul 31 05:37:28 /tmp/Maps... Jul 31 05:37:38 i only have 3mb in there though. thats nothing. Jul 31 05:37:54 hey ugh what fricken file to i edit to stop the click sound from loading (07.2) Jul 31 05:43:03 UGH: | checking for GYPSY... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 dbus-glib-1 >= 0.60 bluez) were not met: Jul 31 05:43:07 Even after updating Jul 31 05:44:10 * kgoetz sigh. guess i'll have to accept the not-workingness of the GPS Jul 31 05:44:25 kgoetz: it works for me Jul 31 05:44:44 dbmoodb: not for me Jul 31 05:44:58 try umount the sdcard while trying to get a lock then -- if you have updated Jul 31 05:45:08 dbmoodb: i dont have the SD card in Jul 31 05:45:17 kgoetz: !FSCK Jul 31 05:45:31 i've tried to update twice, and "bricked" the phone, so i'm sitting on teh default image still Jul 31 05:45:35 --- are you sure ? Jul 31 05:45:52 sure of what? Jul 31 05:45:59 what do you mean "bricked" ? ... what had to flash the newer kernel ? Jul 31 05:46:50 i had to reinstall the kernel and rootfs (and therefore wipe it) to get a booting phone Jul 31 05:46:57 oooo not fun Jul 31 05:48:25 not at all Jul 31 05:52:00 ugh i think all you needed to reflash was the kerne; Jul 31 05:52:17 cause opkg has been fux0ring the kernel lately Jul 31 05:52:31 :\ bugger. so if i upgrade -> reflash kernel it should work? Jul 31 05:52:42 * kgoetz wibbles a bit Jul 31 05:53:15 shoulve booted nomaly , but you alrady flashed the rootfs again eh? Jul 31 05:53:57 i upgraded (opkg upgrade) and rebooted, and it sat on the splash screen indefinitely, never booted. so i reflashed it Jul 31 05:53:59 nextime it boot doesnt doo anything goto NAND then boot so you see output not just a picture Jul 31 05:54:16 aaah, thats how you get it (i had been planning to ask) Jul 31 05:54:39 output told me "cant find kernel" so i flashed the kernel (not touching rootfs) and everything was fine like wine Jul 31 05:54:51 didnt loose all my hardwork Jul 31 05:55:09 * kgoetz tries upgrade again, and hopes Jul 31 05:57:18 damnit where the fudge is that config for disabling touch click Jul 31 05:58:53 fucking hell found it Jul 31 05:58:57 /etc/pulse/session Jul 31 05:59:25 lol. wd Jul 31 06:01:22 there i added a lil reminder http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface:_clock.2C_keyboard... Jul 31 06:03:39 and fixed the heading cause the above link sux Jul 31 06:03:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Customize_the_interface Jul 31 06:04:51 * kgoetz goes to look into how booting nand works Jul 31 06:05:22 i should update uboot as well. i hear theres been a fair few updtes Jul 31 06:05:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot Jul 31 06:06:23 hm, on the terminal, how can one input a slash? Jul 31 06:06:30 cant hurt to update it makesure you get the correct hardware version Jul 31 06:06:31 i had to copy it over and over again Jul 31 06:06:58 beni_: copy once, paste lots ;) Jul 31 06:07:21 beni_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards check this out Jul 31 06:08:05 cool thx Jul 31 06:08:18 i was very amused as i booted my fr yesterday the first time Jul 31 06:08:29 yeah i use http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 that german guys pkg but dont expect to use it without a stylus Jul 31 06:08:30 it is cool to have that little kernel messages flow over the screen Jul 31 06:09:28 * kgoetz reboots to apply updates Jul 31 06:11:36 hm. the splash screen came up Jul 31 06:13:11 its booted(!) guess they fixed it. thanks to whoever did so :) Jul 31 06:17:35 whats 'neod'? it and pulseaudio are both sitting around 7% of the cpu usage, and i'm guessing that'll be causing a fair bit of drain Jul 31 06:19:27 klick Jul 31 06:20:02 * kgoetz is happy Jul 31 06:20:20 thanks to kd8ikt and the others in here who have helped me get up and running :) Jul 31 06:20:33 kd8ikt: btw, is that a callsign? Jul 31 06:22:20 yea Jul 31 06:22:34 is it advisable to mount /home on the SD card, so changes to the root-fs will not overwrite my personal home settings? Jul 31 06:22:46 or is OM organized some other way? Jul 31 06:23:21 yeah i've been meaning to change home to /mnt/card/home Jul 31 06:23:36 so i can save contacts and they survive reflash Jul 31 06:23:42 yes exactly Jul 31 06:23:46 thats what i want Jul 31 06:24:42 * kgoetz wishes apps would remember their settings between usage properly Jul 31 06:25:09 actually i'm thinking of just changing the cards mountpoint in /etc/fstab to goto /home/root/ instead of /mnt/card Jul 31 06:25:49 just wondering - anyone found how to name a freerunner? mine has in the top left, and my wiki searching skills seem to be... bad Jul 31 06:26:13 kgoetz: yes, today i get that Jul 31 06:26:45 i see it a lot quickly while i lock the keypad on 2007.2 Jul 31 06:27:39 thats a window glitch Jul 31 06:28:12 only started happening recently Jul 31 06:28:34 one of the pkg updates methinks Jul 31 06:29:06 proly Jul 31 06:29:22 can i change its name? :\ Jul 31 06:29:27 the one in the screenshots has a name Jul 31 06:29:29 yah Jul 31 06:30:53 * beni_ wishes he had brought his neo with him here to work Jul 31 06:31:00 * beni_ to play a bit around.... ;) Jul 31 06:32:29 Hey guys, any idea on when the next set of OpenMoko arrive? website says 25th july, but thats a while ago now Jul 31 06:33:21 * araujo was precisely about to ask the same question right now Jul 31 06:35:38 a while. Jul 31 06:35:42 lol great it works fine mounting sdcard to ~/root Jul 31 06:36:25 /dev/mmcblk0p1 483.6M 8.2M 475.4M 2% /home/root Jul 31 06:42:36 fragged: Looking for an 850 or 900 version? Jul 31 06:44:49 wtf... i have gaim sitting in the current directory, yet i do ./gaim and it replies, "-sh: ./gaim: not found". it's executable by all, and i can vi the file, it definitely exists there... Jul 31 06:45:31 stephelton: mounted to noexec? Jul 31 06:45:36 with noexec Jul 31 06:46:02 morning Jul 31 06:46:12 XorA|gone: not that i know of -- i wouldn't be able to launch anything if that were the case though, no? Jul 31 06:46:28 stephelton: yes Jul 31 06:47:37 XorA: no / is "rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)" via mount Jul 31 06:48:01 Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 30 11:56:48 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown Jul 31 06:48:02 ^^ would this have the GPS/SD fixes? Jul 31 06:48:13 XorA: morning, can you commit the polaris patch? Jul 31 06:48:23 dcordes_: when I wake up and get tea Jul 31 06:48:29 dcordes_: I saw it enter bugzilla Jul 31 06:48:34 kthx Jul 31 06:48:39 bai Jul 31 06:48:41 :-p Jul 31 06:48:53 heh Jul 31 06:49:21 looks like fso has come a long way Jul 31 06:51:01 stephelton: what kind of file is "./gaim"? Is it a binary executable or a script? Jul 31 06:51:38 heh check this out Jul 31 06:51:39 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1f001f29d230b42fa6fefeca472a056c.png Jul 31 06:51:48 ^---just made that Jul 31 06:51:57 heh ehh Jul 31 06:52:02 that one has a name :o Jul 31 06:52:22 that my gsm provider Jul 31 06:52:23 hahaha Jul 31 06:52:44 aaah, i see. Jul 31 06:52:52 i'm tellin ya its just a bizarre window name glitch when you close all programs Jul 31 06:53:01 kd8ikt: How'd you get the date/time bar? Jul 31 06:53:23 dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true Jul 31 06:53:31 and restartx Jul 31 06:54:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2#Adjust_UI_components_at_runtime Jul 31 06:55:32 kd8ikt: ftw Jul 31 06:55:54 kd8ikt: thanks! Jul 31 06:56:08 mmontour: it is a binary, elf format Jul 31 06:56:33 kd8ikt, that image you made, those two characters, are they from there own cartoon or just Aqua Teen Hunger Force? Jul 31 06:56:44 ATHF Jul 31 06:56:48 ah kk Jul 31 06:57:03 Yay! Running task 2346 of 3612 Jul 31 06:57:05 look forward to seeing the TV series, seen the movie the other day and thought it was teh epic Jul 31 06:57:34 *fingers crossed*. boot, boot! Jul 31 06:57:48 Was it built for the Freerunner? I'm wondering if it might be in OABI format rather than EABI. Jul 31 06:58:50 did ya see my lock screen? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c471850e9293107c92f227340d7b54a.png Jul 31 06:59:31 mmontour: i got it via the ipkg repository from qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net, so that could be the case Jul 31 07:00:38 It is possible to run OABI binaries, but you need to install additional libraries and play some games with the linker. The 'gllin' GPS driver for the Neo1973 is an example of how this can be done. Jul 31 07:01:06 kd8ikt: hehe .. nice one Jul 31 07:01:31 kd8ikt: Oh my God, you killed kenny :-p Jul 31 07:01:39 HAHAH Jul 31 07:02:13 ah hi there how does one show an app on another comp on the moko on its x server...? Jul 31 07:02:33 kd8ikt: you should replace the open lock with a weapon image Jul 31 07:03:09 mmontour: thanks. i'm probably better off compiling it myself methinks Jul 31 07:04:55 hm. gsm isnt working, but oh well. Jul 31 07:06:10 lets see if i can get gaim to install Jul 31 07:07:21 kd8ikt: why not pidgin? Jul 31 07:07:29 kd8ikt: gaim is outdated Jul 31 07:08:02 same shit, new smell :) Jul 31 07:08:10 ^^ Jul 31 07:08:21 well Jul 31 07:08:44 iirc with pidgin the properly separated the front- from the backend Jul 31 07:09:27 dbmoodb: tried ssh with the -Y switch? Jul 31 07:09:34 its a long time since i've used a tool and gone 'thast a bug' every few minutes. i'm enjoying it :) Jul 31 07:10:04 dbmoodb: if you don't know what i'm talking about read up about x-forwarding Jul 31 07:10:16 pidgin works, it just doesn't have all the IM plugins Jul 31 07:10:51 were is a pidgin ipkg? Jul 31 07:10:58 Yashy: which one it doesn't? Jul 31 07:12:05 ah... -Y ? Jul 31 07:12:08 ok... will read Jul 31 07:12:57 where?* Jul 31 07:14:28 tomboy64: it didn't have MSN or Yahoo! IIRC, only IRC and XMPP Jul 31 07:14:42 wtf? Jul 31 07:14:45 -.- Jul 31 07:16:25 hello? where is pidgin for moko? Jul 31 07:17:25 ScaredtCat perhaps? Jul 31 07:17:29 Scaredy Jul 31 07:19:46 Any ideas: http://pastebin.ca/1088162 Jul 31 07:29:37 i on my moko Jul 31 07:29:48 neattt Jul 31 07:29:52 heh Jul 31 07:31:56 dude wtf though pidgin only has 3 nets Jul 31 07:32:13 irc and two i dont know or care for Jul 31 07:34:14 yeah, it needs MSN/Yahoo! Jul 31 07:34:20 silc Jul 31 07:34:25 and OTR :) Jul 31 08:01:29 ahoi Jul 31 08:13:11 hi Jul 31 08:20:28 Morning, all. Jul 31 08:50:48 anybody tried opkg upgrade yesterday or today? Jul 31 09:00:13 (on the asu) Jul 31 09:22:56 im' trying to opkg install numptyphisics, but i get : http://pastebin.org/59857 Jul 31 09:23:00 could anyone look at this? Jul 31 09:24:24 maybe a symlink error? Jul 31 09:25:51 is there a way to solve it? Jul 31 09:26:23 i dunno... maybe its makefile is looking for an older version of that lib Jul 31 09:26:47 older/different version Jul 31 09:31:55 * tdobson is wondering why the package manager doesn't want to work Jul 31 09:32:40 * tdobson didn't even get as far as Zorkman :P Jul 31 09:33:25 http://pastebin.org/59869 # package manager says nothing is to be done Jul 31 09:35:03 Are there any WEP key limitations? The same/cut-and-pasted 'iwconfig key' line that no other linux machine in the house has a problem with returns a 8B2A on the FR.. Jul 31 09:35:09 tdobson: # nslookup buildhost.openmoko.org Jul 31 09:35:11 hi, I just flashed the latest recommended 2007.2 image, and now scrolling in the appmanager is awfully slow.... Jul 31 09:35:23 tdobson: it didnt download any of the packages... u have a connectivity problem Jul 31 09:35:29 is that a general matter or anything I can fix? Jul 31 09:36:01 cheers Jul 31 09:36:02 guys Jul 31 09:36:05 just got that :) Jul 31 09:36:20 Yashy: that made it obvious thanks :) Jul 31 09:36:42 bill is in the mail :) Jul 31 09:37:05 tdobson - easiest fix is to change your /etc/network/interfaces entry from the echo 192.168.0.200 to 208.67.222.222 and do an /etc/init.d/networking restart Jul 31 09:37:55 that way it alleviates potential dns issues with routing Jul 31 09:38:13 ok :) Jul 31 09:38:14 well, that is the permanent fix, not the easiest :) Jul 31 09:39:07 easiest for me ;) Jul 31 09:40:17 if it works, that'll do :) if it's permanent even better! :) it does seem to be a good idea though. :) Jul 31 09:40:43 eek. I'm turning into smiley man. I'll tone it down a bit! Jul 31 09:42:17 yo Jul 31 09:42:30 sup gang? Jul 31 09:42:34 llo torpor Jul 31 09:42:53 nothing special, can't install numptyphysics and am going to install FSO milestone 2 Jul 31 09:43:03 numpty is rockin Jul 31 09:43:08 i like it a lot Jul 31 09:43:18 how did you install it? Jul 31 09:43:29 i get http://pastebin.org/59857 Jul 31 09:43:38 just plain ol' install Jul 31 09:43:49 yeah just tell it to ignore the problem. Jul 31 09:43:53 opkg --force or whatever. Jul 31 09:43:54 it owkrs. Jul 31 09:43:56 works Jul 31 09:46:04 anybody has tried recently to build FSO ? Jul 31 09:48:41 thanks torpor, it works Jul 31 09:54:43 yay. it works Jul 31 09:54:57 yay! Jul 31 09:58:35 I have a problem staging libsdl while trying to build FSO Jul 31 09:58:58 googleing confirms that it is not a new problem Jul 31 09:59:08 apparently there is no solution Jul 31 09:59:16 sdl blows for me right now as well. Jul 31 09:59:23 i can't seem to use it without it screwing up the screen. Jul 31 09:59:29 nothing i do gives me a proper output. Jul 31 09:59:37 After 4 hours, found the problem to my WEP issue: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1391 Jul 31 10:00:18 is it just a maintenance problem ? Jul 31 10:02:08 is it safe to do an opkg upgrade on the asu now? Jul 31 10:04:08 how many pixel does the moko provide for the application Jul 31 10:06:17 what is the command to put an image on t he sd card when you only have a jffs2 file and not a tar.gz Jul 31 10:06:24 e.g. it's tar -C /mnt/moko/ -xzvf openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070313022035.rootfs.tar.gz for a tar.gz Jul 31 10:07:24 (I want to boot FSO from sd card) Jul 31 10:12:06 what is the command to put an image on t he sd card when you only have a jffs2 file and not a tar.gz ? Jul 31 10:12:30 you have to extract the files from the jffs2 archive first. Jul 31 10:12:35 go look up the jffs2 tools. Jul 31 10:12:41 but i would advise you to find the .tar.gz file and use it instead Jul 31 10:13:34 is there a tar.gz file for the FSO milestone 2? i'll try to find it Jul 31 10:15:37 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ does not have one... Jul 31 10:18:27 aaargh. where to get socat for the FR? Jul 31 10:24:42 does anyone know a tar.gz file for fso milestone 2 Jul 31 10:24:54 or a way to set-up navit on the ASU? Jul 31 10:25:07 I modified the desktop file but it still doesn't show up Jul 31 10:56:27 what is the command to manually start glinn and gpsd? Jul 31 10:56:42 (I want to use Navit on the ASU) Jul 31 10:56:51 anyone been able to get the gps running in navit? Jul 31 11:00:41 Zorkman: you don't need glinn on the freerunner Jul 31 11:00:52 /etc/init.d/gpsd start Jul 31 11:01:00 starts the gpsd manually Jul 31 11:01:57 thanks, i'll see if navit works Jul 31 11:04:36 does opkg update/upgrade still break everything? Jul 31 11:05:13 the last time I tested it, yes (that was yesterday Jul 31 11:05:15 ) Jul 31 11:05:18 ok Jul 31 11:05:30 so what image would anyone recommend me to look at first? Jul 31 11:06:54 the stock image Jul 31 11:07:01 bumbl: could you fix it with manually flashing a kernel? Jul 31 11:07:15 no Jul 31 11:07:41 but I switched to fso milestone 2 Jul 31 11:07:42 swc|666: I've just finished playing with the stock image, it doesn't seem to really do anything Jul 31 11:08:56 weatherhead: i boot debian from microSD for my fun, but on the phone front-end - i have personally tried every other sack and find that 2007.2 is the most useful for the flash / phone stack Jul 31 11:15:15 swc but the scroll speed in 2007.2 is really slow,? Jul 31 11:15:27 at least in the latest recommended image Jul 31 11:15:43 Anybody knows why Freerunner is still out of stock ? It was supposed to have it in 25th of July in Stock, but still nothing ... Jul 31 11:17:05 where do you live Nixoeen? Jul 31 11:17:23 Zorkman, United Arab Emirates Jul 31 11:17:27 if in europe: some resellers have freerunners in stock.... Jul 31 11:18:20 Zorkman, I checked with them, and they don't ! Which one has it in stock ? Jul 31 11:18:52 Truebox are taking orders Jul 31 11:19:05 For fulfilment on 15th Jul 31 11:19:28 I think all Pulser's stock is already accounted for by existing orders Jul 31 11:19:51 But If you're in UEA then I know Truebox have been shipping to non-European customers Jul 31 11:21:32 Does anyone know if/when the US (online store) will be back in stock? Jul 31 11:21:46 Stroller, Nixoeen; I read that pullster still has devices that are not yet reserved Jul 31 11:22:08 Zorkman, Nixoeen : excuse me Jul 31 11:26:29 anyone got navit working on the ASU? Jul 31 11:26:45 i get instant with agpsUI and diversity and tangogps Jul 31 11:27:23 hi Jul 31 11:27:37 hi Jul 31 11:27:49 goedmorgen :D Jul 31 11:28:14 I installed the qwertz-keyboard and the keys 7, 8, 9, 0 don't work I get only {[]}. any ideas why? Jul 31 11:28:31 llo dave Jul 31 11:28:51 jopk: do you have the USB cable plugged in? Jul 31 11:28:58 yes Jul 31 11:29:09 * Stroller waits Jul 31 11:29:23 :) Jul 31 11:29:37 explanation? Jul 31 11:29:48 Not off the top of my head, sorry. Jul 31 11:29:54 ok, thx Jul 31 11:29:55 Has been discussed on -community Jul 31 11:30:24 * Dave strolls Jul 31 11:31:10 * Stroller admires Dave's confident ambulation Jul 31 11:31:37 :D Jul 31 11:32:58 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r6b4c2515213b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Jul 31 11:32:58 freesmartphone.org: [opreferencesd] Removed opreferencesd/test directory Jul 31 11:32:58 freesmartphone.org: We have a test directory in the root directory now Jul 31 11:32:59 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r253906f561fa 10/setup.py: Jul 31 11:32:59 freesmartphone.org: Use absolute path for the config files in setup.py Jul 31 11:33:01 freesmartphone.org: Should fix ticket #57 Jul 31 11:34:28 I'm having difficulty getting USB networking working in opensuse 11.0 Jul 31 11:34:40 anyone successfully done it? Jul 31 11:35:51 weatherhead: have you read the wiki pages? Jul 31 11:35:58 ~suse Jul 31 11:35:59 rumour has it, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil Jul 31 11:36:03 lol Jul 31 11:37:55 apt_: suse is so unique it has its very own wiki page on USB networking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_with_openSUSE Jul 31 11:38:29 ~suse Jul 31 11:38:30 well, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil Jul 31 11:38:33 hmm. having some problems with the dialer - "Dialer Error: No network" Jul 31 11:38:35 suggestions? Jul 31 11:41:11 Does anyone know how to reprogram apt_ when he says "cannot remove factoid 'suse', too old. (14091.4853472222>10800) use 'no,' instead" Jul 31 11:41:47 freesmartphone.org: 03john_lee 07framework * r746bf2f876a9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/accelerometer.py: Jul 31 11:41:47 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: accelerometer: make it read from input dev on demand so it Jul 31 11:41:47 freesmartphone.org: doesn't impact the system performance. Jul 31 11:41:47 freesmartphone.org: * no idle function added Jul 31 11:41:47 freesmartphone.org: * stop sending signal Jul 31 11:41:49 freesmartphone.org: * only read when method called Jul 31 11:41:53 freesmartphone.org: now I need to make it work with gesture. Jul 31 11:42:40 can I use the openmoko logo for an openmoko presentation released under CC-share-alike license? Jul 31 11:43:06 mbuf: there's a "trademark" link on the front page of the wiki Jul 31 11:43:34 apt_: forget suse Jul 31 11:43:52 ~suse Jul 31 11:43:53 from memory, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil Jul 31 11:44:08 Stroller, yes, so it is not possible to mention it? Jul 31 11:44:33 mbuf: no, I'm just suggesting a place that might give your answer Jul 31 11:44:39 Stroller, this one? http://wiki.openmoko.org/skins/openmoko/wiki_logo.png -- the orange one Jul 31 11:44:40 Stroller, ok Jul 31 11:44:42 I was hoping it might be helpful, mbuf Jul 31 11:45:20 did I get this right: the 10 pf capacitor will solve the gps -sd card problem, but I will probably lose warranty? Jul 31 11:45:47 Oh, no... hang on, they've moved it, mbuf Jul 31 11:46:06 jopk: has been asked on -community, still no official response, I don't think Jul 31 11:46:48 kernel patch is actualy solving gps-sdcard problem Jul 31 11:47:00 no need for hw-fix Jul 31 11:47:13 ok, so I'll wait a bit and try this kernel patch. get it with update/upgrade? Jul 31 11:47:55 or flashing the kernel? Jul 31 11:50:35 jopk: sorry. The official openmoko trademark policy was deleted from the wiki two days ago. Suggest posting to -community with your question (if you get no answer here) Jul 31 11:51:51 jopk: good question. I will be interested in the answer Jul 31 11:52:11 mbuf: sorry. The official openmoko trademark policy was deleted from the wiki two days ago. Suggest posting to -community with your question (if you get no answer here) Jul 31 11:52:19 Stroller, ok, thanks Jul 31 11:52:25 Moment Jul 31 11:52:36 Looks like the clown moved it to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Privacy_policy Jul 31 11:53:21 Privacy? Openmoko? Jul 31 11:53:25 What's all this now? :p Jul 31 11:53:34 I don't understand... Jul 31 11:54:01 Why was it deleted? Jul 31 11:54:37 joerg, can't we just blame all our problems on glamo, at this point? ;) Jul 31 11:54:56 Dave: mbuf was asking for it. I'm posting a message to documentation right now Jul 31 11:55:02 what's an 'official openmoko trademark policy' ? Jul 31 11:55:32 -somebody- holds the rights to the openmoko name and logo Jul 31 11:55:57 though I'm not sure about the "privacy policy" thing was :p Jul 31 11:56:04 unless they're selling your wiki information or something :D Jul 31 11:56:17 and why posting this in the irc channel? Jul 31 11:57:04 ok Jul 31 11:57:41 Okay, everyone happy? Jul 31 11:57:45 so under my understanding of the trademark policy, i can create non-commercial "openmoko porn" ? Jul 31 11:58:06 hahahaha Jul 31 11:58:11 and market it as such? Jul 31 11:58:36 can't you see the slogan now ... "open my moko" Jul 31 11:58:44 o_o Jul 31 11:59:16 stuff my moko? :p Jul 31 12:00:02 heehee, silly germans Jul 31 12:00:27 haha, I saw your name, flexd, and got worried there was a grue in here :p Jul 31 12:00:53 grue? :p Jul 31 12:00:56 who's german? Jul 31 12:00:56 YES Jul 31 12:00:56 what's that? Jul 31 12:01:01 :O Jul 31 12:01:16 gruu is just another of my nicks Jul 31 12:01:24 It is dark, you are likely to be eaten by a grue. Jul 31 12:01:54 hehe Jul 31 12:01:58 http://gruuu.com Jul 31 12:02:01 o_O Jul 31 12:02:06 i attack the darkness Jul 31 12:02:14 Was the inspiration :p Jul 31 12:02:25 I use it for my Age of Conan character :) Jul 31 12:02:37 ieatlint, you are eaten by a grue. You are now dead. Jul 31 12:02:40 ui hi Davey Jul 31 12:02:48 hey bumble :) Jul 31 12:02:54 did i take the darkness with me? Jul 31 12:02:59 no Jul 31 12:03:51 :o Jul 31 12:06:03 opkg search *porn* Jul 31 12:06:05 ooops Jul 31 12:06:40 (14:00:02) Dave: heehee, silly germans | are we? Jul 31 12:06:57 Yes, you are! :D Jul 31 12:07:10 Plus honestly, there are so many of you here, how can we not make fun of you :P Jul 31 12:07:18 i manage to recover from the hdd failure losing only 1 file, which was a tmp file and would've deleted anyway :) Jul 31 12:07:34 ieatlint, good job :) Jul 31 12:07:34 ah ok Jul 31 12:07:45 RAID'ed Freerunners, anyone? Jul 31 12:07:46 and yeah, germans are weird Jul 31 12:07:48 :D Jul 31 12:07:52 i mean, honestly, david hasselhoff? Jul 31 12:07:58 bwahahaha Jul 31 12:08:12 and how did songs about knut reach your top 10... :P Jul 31 12:08:14 i saw a video with him Jul 31 12:08:15 omg Jul 31 12:08:28 hahahaha Jul 31 12:08:33 he did music? Jul 31 12:08:41 yeah wait Jul 31 12:08:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Yg1uajbX0 Jul 31 12:08:52 he tried Jul 31 12:08:52 hasselhoff? oh yeah... Jul 31 12:08:56 oh gawd Jul 31 12:09:01 * Dave covers his eyes Jul 31 12:09:06 but attention Jul 31 12:09:10 there's him singing on the berlin wall, and at least one hilarious video of him trying to sing in german Jul 31 12:10:09 hahahah Jul 31 12:10:09 the fatter man after him in the video tell jokes about him Jul 31 12:10:12 he speaks german? Jul 31 12:10:16 yeah Jul 31 12:10:19 :o Jul 31 12:10:23 I didn't know that! Jul 31 12:10:34 he sounds like arnold schwarzenegger though Jul 31 12:10:37 But i don't think he really know what he sung Jul 31 12:10:39 hahaha Jul 31 12:10:45 in that it sounds really weird Jul 31 12:10:47 after 20bber Jul 31 12:10:53 *beer Jul 31 12:11:01 "You don't have to yell Michael, I'm all around you." Jul 31 12:11:10 Who said that? Jul 31 12:11:22 Guess :p Jul 31 12:11:35 michael Jul 31 12:11:43 Kitt Jul 31 12:11:43 Opalinus: Dave gefällt es über good old europe witze zu machen *typisch amerikaner* Jul 31 12:11:45 did i won anything? Jul 31 12:11:51 hahahah Jul 31 12:11:56 gee, THANKS, bumble :P Jul 31 12:12:14 no problem Jul 31 12:12:20 bumbl: Danke, ich merks Jul 31 12:12:21 hehe Jul 31 12:12:22 :P Jul 31 12:13:59 ich mache keine witze über das alteuropa, nur das "neues" europa Jul 31 12:14:02 keks Jul 31 12:14:10 knut, david hasselhoff, etc Jul 31 12:14:42 das neue scheint mehr eine witztfigur zu werden, insbesondere Deutschland Jul 31 12:14:54 nun, wann kommt knut? Jul 31 12:14:55 :P Jul 31 12:15:05 wen interessierts? Jul 31 12:15:06 the evil work of the so called "volksverdummungsmaschinerie" Jul 31 12:15:23 lool Jul 31 12:16:00 also known as ATV, RTL, SAT1, PRO7, PULS4, MTV, VIVA,... Jul 31 12:16:49 Opalinus, ja, wir hassen den frankreich, und europa ist nur deutschland, frankreigh, uk... ja? Jul 31 12:16:56 Kalkofe ist da ein sher guter "Ansprechpartner", er kritisiert Medien insbesondere das deutsche Fernsehen Jul 31 12:17:01 BBQ? Jul 31 12:17:26 ietlint, ich meinte das so nicht... Jul 31 12:17:39 wer ist kalkofe? Jul 31 12:17:58 ein medienkritisierer wenn mans so nenen will Jul 31 12:18:01 siehe Youtube Jul 31 12:18:02 Dave: where? Jul 31 12:18:25 leider kann ich jetzt youtube nicht sehen Jul 31 12:18:36 * bumbl is hungry although he has already eaten Jul 31 12:18:37 er zijn hier veel Duitsers ~_~ Jul 31 12:18:42 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Kalkofe&search_sort=video_avg_rating Jul 31 12:18:53 aber, ich erinnere mich, und sehe später Jul 31 12:19:00 ok Jul 31 12:19:46 bijvoorbeeld, jij drie :P Jul 31 12:19:58 how can i manually start gpsd? Jul 31 12:20:04 mein deutsch ist schlecht, weiß ich, aber ich habe nur 2 jahre studiert Jul 31 12:20:06 (want to use navit and ASU) Jul 31 12:20:15 und es ist noch spaß Jul 31 12:20:25 es macht spaß Jul 31 12:20:37 hehe Jul 31 12:20:38 danke Jul 31 12:20:40 oder es macht immernoch Spaß Jul 31 12:20:46 zorkman: gpsd /dev/ttySAC1 ? Jul 31 12:21:00 Zorkman /etc/init.d/gpsd start Jul 31 12:21:05 heh Jul 31 12:21:08 klr doch Jul 31 12:21:12 *klar Jul 31 12:21:12 that assumes the config file is correct Jul 31 12:21:14 gpsd /dev/urandom Jul 31 12:21:18 -_-; Jul 31 12:21:35 * Dave throws gookenshlaapen at ieatlint Jul 31 12:21:54 gookenshlaapen? Jul 31 12:21:58 YES Jul 31 12:22:01 :D Jul 31 12:22:04 i see Jul 31 12:22:09 is that dutch? Jul 31 12:22:19 i don't know Jul 31 12:22:22 Navit still does not get a fix.... doesn't even see satellites, all my other apps (tangogps, diversity, agpsui) get instant fix Jul 31 12:22:22 ask google Jul 31 12:22:25 does anybody know what to do? Jul 31 12:22:48 hahaha Jul 31 12:22:54 ja :p Jul 31 12:23:05 zorkman, blame navit Jul 31 12:23:17 google says nothing Jul 31 12:23:20 additionally, doesn't ASU still suck horribly? Jul 31 12:23:31 Ze GOOGHLE SAYS NAAAHSING Jul 31 12:23:37 much like Ze Goggles >:) Jul 31 12:23:42 right! Jul 31 12:23:55 :D Jul 31 12:24:00 and what should it mean? Jul 31 12:24:04 gookenshlaapen ?? Jul 31 12:24:06 let op! drempels! Jul 31 12:24:15 Yes Jul 31 12:24:18 afk Jul 31 12:24:19 OH, that's what you googled? Jul 31 12:24:35 rofl. Jul 31 12:24:51 no, your "word" comes up with nothing Jul 31 12:24:59 that about covers my knowledge of dutch though Jul 31 12:26:04 Dave: yes ASU sucks horrible Jul 31 12:27:16 ieatlint: what are drempels? Jul 31 12:27:50 this should explain it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/39708513/ Jul 31 12:27:54 is there handwriting support yet? Jul 31 12:28:00 I only found the Middle High German word Drempel Jul 31 12:28:31 and what's that word mean? Jul 31 12:28:38 beni_: there is the app cellwriter Jul 31 12:29:04 ieatlint: as you speek german quite well http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drempel Jul 31 12:29:07 it sucks lint Jul 31 12:29:12 hardly Jul 31 12:29:14 ieatlint, more porn? Jul 31 12:29:26 the third one Jul 31 12:29:38 btw bumbl: drempel can also mean threshhold Jul 31 12:30:00 no, drempels (in that context, anyway), means speed bumps (or humps, for you freaky pommies) Jul 31 12:30:26 ieatlint: didn't follow the conversation so didn't know the context Jul 31 12:30:30 ok thank you Jul 31 12:30:52 bumbl, yeah, the word it says for modern german is a translation of drempels -- thresholds Jul 31 12:31:01 Zorkman: yes drempel also means threshold Jul 31 12:31:03 SPEED HUMPS! Jul 31 12:31:13 hump hump hump Jul 31 12:31:14 ok, thanks. It would be cool if it is not dependant on the app if one uses handwriting, i thought that this is provided by the input widget Jul 31 12:31:26 bah, still no ecraven :[ Jul 31 12:31:27 so every app recieving characters could use handwriting Jul 31 12:31:32 is that planned? Jul 31 12:31:39 Dave, it's people like you who get hit by cars in the street without any pants on Jul 31 12:31:53 beni_: i think it is planned for the future but it has low priority Jul 31 12:32:03 Ieatlint, what? Jul 31 12:32:11 hahaha Jul 31 12:32:19 bumbl: yes, it is ok, as long as the other input methods are useful. There are more priority things, i agree Jul 31 12:32:20 they want to get the basic stuff working Jul 31 12:32:40 yes, i hope they dont hurry and make good things. Jul 31 12:32:44 more software please! Jul 31 12:32:48 and afaik the asu image has a mechanism to call a defined input program Jul 31 12:32:56 this is driving me crazy now, does anyone else use opensuse 11 here? Jul 31 12:32:59 btw, how can i get knowledge, which image is installed? Jul 31 12:33:02 uname -a? Jul 31 12:33:08 (dont have my phone here right now) Jul 31 12:33:15 how does it look like Jul 31 12:33:28 black, orange-gray or blue Jul 31 12:33:50 danw_upstairs: no Jul 31 12:34:10 <- ricer (according to Dave and Chox) Jul 31 12:34:21 heehee Jul 31 12:34:29 ooh, devmem2 :o Jul 31 12:36:24 opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x000d18c0 *** Jul 31 12:36:25 Aborted Jul 31 12:36:32 nice Jul 31 12:36:33 you're not a ricer unless your car is made in japan, badly modified, and has a "spoiler" that looks stupid, is way oversized, and actually creates drag that affects the performance of the car Jul 31 12:36:52 ieatlint: or simply uses gentoo :) Jul 31 12:37:12 hey now, my computers use gentoo, and they aren't hacked Jul 31 12:37:19 :P Jul 31 12:37:25 sry, i had to help my mum Jul 31 12:37:45 do you now know what gookenshlaapen means? Jul 31 12:37:56 haha Jul 31 12:38:04 so funny... Jul 31 12:38:08 tell! Jul 31 12:38:20 :o Jul 31 12:38:25 opkg info libc6 Jul 31 12:38:26 you don't know what it means Opalinus? Jul 31 12:38:36 nevar! Jul 31 12:38:43 no i don't Zorkman Jul 31 12:38:52 you should work on your dutch then :p Jul 31 12:39:05 :D Jul 31 12:39:10 im german but i will Jul 31 12:39:15 :) Jul 31 12:39:22 applying fake phonetics, and their attitude, i'm going to guess it's some sort of sexual reference Jul 31 12:39:31 you can teach me Zorkman Jul 31 12:39:57 haha Jul 31 12:40:03 XD Jul 31 12:40:12 nah nah Jul 31 12:40:32 a sexual reference would be like Jul 31 12:40:36 nope, nothing sexual Jul 31 12:40:47 ieatlint blijkt wat nichterig te zijn :p Jul 31 12:40:48 mhmm Jul 31 12:40:51 schapenneuken would be sexual reference Jul 31 12:40:59 i fear this is going to be like that time i was visiting friends in düsseldorf and loudly asked my friends about graffiti on a wall that wasn't in my dictionary... Jul 31 12:41:01 well yah, neuken :P Jul 31 12:41:06 shlaapen sounds ike the german word Lappen Jul 31 12:41:12 YOU'RE RIGHT! Jul 31 12:41:16 >:) Jul 31 12:41:29 * Dave is having such a good time watching them jump though hoops of ironic hilarity Jul 31 12:41:39 ieatlint: haha :D Jul 31 12:41:45 xD Jul 31 12:41:46 Opalinus: depends how you pronounce it, it could also be Schlampen Jul 31 12:42:12 i wouldn even think of something like that ^^ Jul 31 12:42:14 * Dave hopes somebody is logging this Jul 31 12:42:21 <- Jul 31 12:42:29 :D Jul 31 12:42:38 was something like "kanzler schwanz schroeder" or something Jul 31 12:43:10 omg woot there's a linux-libc-headers package now :D Jul 31 12:43:33 google dont no the word "gooken" even i dont Jul 31 12:44:24 any hint, Dave? Jul 31 12:44:32 Opalinus: I watched Mittermeiers "Paranoid" performance again last week; the word Schlamenstempel burns its way into your brain Jul 31 12:44:56 s/Schlamenstempel/Schlampenstempel Jul 31 12:45:12 aha Jul 31 12:45:30 i feel the heat, but i dont think that help Jul 31 12:45:40 gookenschlaapen! Jul 31 12:46:22 ah !! Jul 31 12:46:28 okay i had it Jul 31 12:46:38 but its a little bit erotic Jul 31 12:48:18 hahaha Jul 31 12:48:51 but why google didn't know the word? Jul 31 12:50:38 >:) Jul 31 12:54:25 Cya Jul 31 12:56:15 after trying out wlan I can't connect over usb any more. windows tells me there's no network cable plugged in. It seems to be a problem of the neo though. how can I reactivate usb networking? any ideas? Jul 31 12:56:59 jopk: ssh over wlan? Jul 31 12:57:04 ssh Jul 31 12:57:18 ssh is broken Jul 31 12:57:21 terminal on the neo -> ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 Jul 31 12:57:59 2 commands? Jul 31 12:58:43 ifdown usb0 : unknown method loopback Jul 31 12:58:59 yes Jul 31 12:59:20 the first command deconfigures the usb0 interface and the second on configures it Jul 31 12:59:58 I get the error about 'unknown method loopback' Jul 31 13:03:27 it's written a bit weird: "fdown: unknown method "loopback (with he ") Jul 31 13:05:27 Dave: do you know if ecraven comes around today? Jul 31 13:07:35 jopk: reboot does not solve the problem Jul 31 13:07:46 yes, already tried Jul 31 13:08:53 then I am sorry, but I can't help you Jul 31 13:09:04 but mind: Jul 31 13:09:09 Thou shalt not use Windows Jul 31 13:09:43 I know, but in this case it's not windows fault Jul 31 13:11:21 I'm going to reflash root file system Jul 31 13:22:30 hello, i realy need to test a package in qemu...how do i change the keyboard...changing the task-openmoko-base.bb file didn't add the new keyboard in the bb file...what should i do? Jul 31 13:22:37 s/bb file/image Jul 31 13:36:53 did anyone in the uk receive their neo that was supposed to arrive today? they screwed up my address lable and ups couldn't deliver :( Jul 31 13:37:20 from truebox Jul 31 13:50:55 seaLne: Truebox did the same to me in the last shipment Jul 31 13:51:37 I'm confused about all this keyboard toggle talk on the mailing list. Is it possible to toggle the multitap-pad in 2007.2? Jul 31 13:52:08 minimo looks really good but you can't really see it with the keyboard showing Jul 31 13:55:17 tc: that keyboard toggle talk is asu related Jul 31 13:55:32 hrm, anyone else find fso a bit reluctant to register to the cell network? Jul 31 13:55:35 but yes you can toggle the keyboard with 2007.2 too Jul 31 13:55:48 search the wiki for further information Jul 31 13:55:50 bumbl: can in fso as well Jul 31 13:56:09 AntonTakk: I know Jul 31 13:56:17 anyone , whats the differene in the W.E. openmoko and the openmoko , just canada's version, with other software? Jul 31 13:56:20 ok, just throwing it out there :) Jul 31 13:56:41 asu and fso both use illume which has this "feature" Jul 31 13:56:44 richiefrich: W.E. openmoko?? Jul 31 13:57:03 AntonTakk: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html Jul 31 13:57:16 bumbl: i thought it was turned off in the theme in asu? or has that changed? Jul 31 13:57:48 so it is goolge android Jul 31 13:57:54 heh Jul 31 13:57:59 idk what that is Jul 31 13:58:06 AntonTakk: I don't know, I haven't used the standard theming back when I used asu Jul 31 13:59:42 richiefrich: my understanding is that android won't run on the fr's soc Jul 31 14:00:02 richiefrich: HARDWARE-WISE, I'D SAY THE DIFERENCE IS THE CHOICE OF CASE COLORS Jul 31 14:00:05 oops Jul 31 14:00:10 sorry for the caps Jul 31 14:00:11 AntonTakk: fr's soc? Jul 31 14:00:25 richiefrich: System On a Chip Jul 31 14:00:31 you could just put the emo image on your sd and chroot in it Jul 31 14:00:40 s/emo/emu/ Jul 31 14:00:40 dcordes_ meant: you could just put the emu image on your sd and chroot in it Jul 31 14:00:45 ;) Jul 31 14:00:52 dcordes_: emu image? Jul 31 14:01:04 yes, they have that emulator thing Jul 31 14:01:10 AntonTakk: but it will still work right, i mean if its open i can change the software? Jul 31 14:01:14 like moko Makefile Jul 31 14:01:19 oh, i don't really follow android dev Jul 31 14:01:25 me n'either Jul 31 14:01:56 richiefrich: android is not open Jul 31 14:02:16 richiefrich: i'd just ask them before ordering if it ships with om or android or w/e, and if it still uses om's flashing util/etc Jul 31 14:02:26 richiefrich: or just order from the om website Jul 31 14:02:31 LiMo isn't open too Jul 31 14:03:45 AntonTakk: i would but they are out of stock on the om site Jul 31 14:04:15 AntonTakk: hav been for like 7 dayus Jul 31 14:04:37 i wanted this cell for defcon Jul 31 14:04:41 :\ Jul 31 14:06:32 defcon? Jul 31 14:06:36 as in the game? on the phone? :o Jul 31 14:06:42 or wait, nvm, :| Jul 31 14:06:53 that defcon Jul 31 14:08:47 greetings all, any of the wolfson guys hanging around? Jul 31 14:15:02 can someone help me with the moko toolchain? Jul 31 14:36:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfcb87e3ceaee 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dates2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Jul 31 14:36:40 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r393f9c197869 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [pyefl-sudoku] Add Python EFL sudoku. Jul 31 14:36:41 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7c154826a862 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Jul 31 14:36:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5b62a7b5c397 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Jul 31 14:36:45 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5696c2f475ed 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin] Change the source URI of assassin Jul 31 14:41:06 How can I add/change the application icons available to me in the ASU launcher? Jul 31 15:02:01 hi, do you have problems to download with opkg this days? Jul 31 15:09:53 any idea how to fix the /provider mess at the top of the main om2007.2 page? Jul 31 15:10:05 it'll switch between SunCom and all the time Jul 31 15:10:11 even when it knows Jul 31 15:15:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r19cfbe3c8ca5 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. Jul 31 15:25:00 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4565 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (11 files): Add some thumbnails which used in ASU Jul 31 15:25:56 <[blackb]> hi all Jul 31 15:26:17 <[blackb]> i have an sh embedded motherboard in wich channel i can talk about it? Jul 31 15:29:40 sh? Jul 31 15:30:04 <[blackb]> Renesas SH7760 Jul 31 15:30:08 sh! Jul 31 15:30:19 <[blackb]> yes Jul 31 15:30:32 <[blackb]> but i have same problems about video drivers Jul 31 15:30:41 <[blackb]> where i could ask info? Jul 31 15:30:56 You might try ##electronics ##edev Jul 31 15:31:08 ####sh Jul 31 15:31:12 hi all Jul 31 15:31:12 I'm trying to write java binding for the DBus APIs. Jul 31 15:31:12 Should I already use org.freesmartphone.GSM API or stay with org.openmoko.PhoneKit yet ? Jul 31 15:31:12 (sorry for the cross-posting) Jul 31 15:36:31 what do you mean by video drivers? Jul 31 15:36:33 oosp Jul 31 15:36:41 :-) Jul 31 15:42:11 w00t freerunner delivered :) Jul 31 15:43:00 I'm trying to write a quick script to easily connect to my bluetooth keyboard. I want it to check to see if bluetooth is down, if it is I want to turn it on. Does anyone know what i should read to see if bluetooth is on? Jul 31 15:43:29 Pyrasi: ScaredyCat's release already has such a script Jul 31 15:43:41 Pyrasi and I have a script that just connects to any bt keyboard in range Jul 31 15:43:52 s/si /si: / Jul 31 15:43:52 wurp2|working meant: Pyrasi: and I have a script that just connects to any bt keyboard in range Jul 31 15:44:08 I'm using ASU atm unfortunately =/ Jul 31 15:44:22 ScaredyCat's script is a little smarter, it shows you the available devices Jul 31 15:44:30 His script should work fine on ASU, I think Jul 31 15:44:37 And I'm almost certain mine will Jul 31 15:44:54 oh yea? huh...do you know where i could check it out? or would i need to dl his image and flash it? Jul 31 15:44:55 But to answer your question, I always turn off bt, wait 1 second, turn it back on Jul 31 15:45:10 Pyrasi: You should be able to get the ipk from his repo Jul 31 15:45:17 Check out Repositories page on the wiki Jul 31 15:45:46 If bt thinks it's still connected to your keyboard, trying to connect again won't work Jul 31 15:45:57 so I took the lazy man's way out and just always put bt in a known state Jul 31 15:46:21 which works great unless you want to maintain a connection to some other device while connecting your kbd Jul 31 15:47:06 heh....well at the moment i dont need anything else connected over bt....though i guess i could start using bt networking Jul 31 15:47:34 now that someone figured out what was wrong with exposure i dont have to goto terminal to bring everything up and down Jul 31 15:48:19 wurp2: any idea what the ipk is called? Jul 31 15:49:57 are there any games I can install on my neo? Jul 31 15:50:15 exect the pygame Jul 31 15:50:20 try numptyphysics...its pretty fun ;) Jul 31 15:50:37 install with opkg? Jul 31 15:51:10 what is different between ipkg and opkg? Jul 31 15:51:18 kinda...not from the official repos though. Lemme find the link to the ipk Jul 31 15:51:19 with the image i flashed yesterday (from the 22th) there's like ten small games, and one arcade shooter Jul 31 15:51:51 opkg is the new fork of ipkg Jul 31 15:52:04 because ipkg was not being maintained well Jul 31 15:52:33 jobk: kobedeluxe is also a game for the freerunner Jul 31 15:52:44 ah, i see there is a wiki page for opkg Jul 31 15:52:47 jobk: you can install vmware and play games like monkey island Jul 31 15:52:53 er Jul 31 15:52:58 not vmware. Jul 31 15:53:01 grrr, vmware=scummvm i mean :) Jul 31 15:53:16 flexd, which image did you flash? Jul 31 15:53:28 hold on Jul 31 15:53:43 it was on the buildhost somewhere, from 22th july Jul 31 15:53:45 vmware on freerunner would be fun Jul 31 15:53:48 does anyone know how to enable the gps in navit? Jul 31 15:53:55 navit never finds any satellites.. Jul 31 15:56:45 Zorkman, maybe press powerbutton until you get the menu, then chose turn on gps ... works with tangoGPS for me Jul 31 15:57:15 GPS is turned on... Jul 31 15:57:22 wurp2: Sorry to keep bothering you, but do you have any idea what the ipk is called for scaredycat's bluetooth keyboard ipk? Jul 31 15:57:29 i get an instant fix with agpsui, diversity, tangogps.... Jul 31 15:57:46 takes like 150-200s for me to get a fix outside Jul 31 15:57:49 but i have a SD card in Jul 31 15:58:07 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r509e786b0357 10/src/zhone: Jul 31 15:58:07 freesmartphone.org: When storing a new contact don't store the reference as string Jul 31 15:58:07 freesmartphone.org: Fixes Bug #60 Jul 31 15:58:13 (takes +/- 50sec outside for me, but now I'm doing hot starts, so it's almost instant fix) Jul 31 15:58:15 flexd: that's normal Jul 31 15:59:49 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4566 10/developers/john_lee/pyfso/ (__init__.py accelerometer.py): add class to read directly from input dev Jul 31 16:06:34 Time it Takes to get a Fucking Fix Jul 31 16:06:56 Dave, you don't by any chanse have tried navit? Jul 31 16:07:22 Dave: whatever it is, damn straight Jul 31 16:08:47 how can I found out how much space is left on the flash memory and sd card? Jul 31 16:08:56 df -h / Jul 31 16:09:01 df -h /media/card Jul 31 16:09:20 i learned that command a few days ago :) Jul 31 16:09:36 * Chox wonders if Zorkman has commentary on eeeeeeeeeverything said here :o Jul 31 16:10:32 does that bother someone? (e.g. you) Jul 31 16:11:17 well, it can certainly confuse any real information given here. And it becomes just a bit annoying after the 200th time. Jul 31 16:13:21 nah how do i bring back the digital clock :p Jul 31 16:13:22 whenever there is a usefull conversation going on i'll try to watch it, but at moments like this... Jul 31 16:14:08 * Chox is just saying that sometimes saying nothing is best. And the word is "useful". Jul 31 16:17:22 nothing Jul 31 16:17:47 is there anybody that can explain why after rebooting the freerunner it wont connect to at&t? Jul 31 16:18:06 random Jul 31 16:18:17 i can't explain it, but I have the same problem Jul 31 16:18:25 sometimes it will an sometimes it wont Jul 31 16:18:42 im using the stock kernel Jul 31 16:19:07 is it a handshake problem u think? Jul 31 16:19:19 u have at&t? Jul 31 16:19:31 i do Jul 31 16:19:36 peepsalot Jul 31 16:20:04 amyone having this problem on a different carrier? Jul 31 16:20:53 did the same with the 07222008 Jul 31 16:30:14 does qtopia have this bug? Jul 31 16:30:46 it would seem to be a jhardware bug Jul 31 16:31:21 seems like a bug like this would have long been fixed Jul 31 16:32:42 silence is golden Jul 31 16:38:49 i cannot confirm it for Bibob (Danish carrier) Jul 31 16:39:09 the ramdom connect? Jul 31 16:39:21 lei! Jul 31 16:39:25 yours works good? Jul 31 16:39:56 always connects after reboot? Jul 31 16:40:20 leinir: you in Copenhagen? Jul 31 16:40:27 Aalborg :) Jul 31 16:40:37 can't be far - it's a tiny country :o Jul 31 16:40:44 linuxxr: Indeed - always connects here :) Jul 31 16:40:48 ok Jul 31 16:41:12 baybe its just an at&t handshake problem Jul 31 16:41:21 maybe* Jul 31 16:41:24 Chox: Not really, no, between 300 and 500 km depending on what route you go by :) Jul 31 16:41:32 heh Jul 31 16:41:35 damn islands. Jul 31 16:43:08 lei do u have the stock freerunner? Jul 31 16:43:24 1973? Jul 31 16:43:34 qtopia? Jul 31 16:43:53 2007.2? Jul 31 16:45:37 is there anybody that can explain why after rebooting the freerunner it wont connect to at&t? Jul 31 16:45:56 thew \o/ Jul 31 16:46:03 I'm on AT&T. Haven't had such issues. Jul 31 16:46:16 hmmm Jul 31 16:46:30 ls Jul 31 16:47:02 linuxxr: happens with me, too Jul 31 16:47:17 cjb u have at*t? Jul 31 16:47:20 yes Jul 31 16:47:27 usa? Jul 31 16:47:29 Sometimes mine says Registering... even though it has connected to Rogers. Sometimes it says Rogers though :) Jul 31 16:47:30 yes Jul 31 16:48:31 well mine always wont connect when registering Jul 31 16:48:36 I'm in USA as well. Jul 31 16:48:41 just doing an opkg update: Jul 31 16:48:43 xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `rm -fr /tmp/opkg-mEx3Sl Jul 31 16:48:43 ' Jul 31 16:48:43 WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-mEx3Sl: Cannot allocate memory Jul 31 16:48:51 then sometimes it connects right up Jul 31 16:49:05 sometimes it takes 1 minuit Jul 31 16:49:21 Sometimes mine takes a few minutes, but it always connects eventually, as far as I've seen. Jul 31 16:51:34 In 2007.2 I can get the matchbox keyboard to toggle but not the multitap-pad - can anyone tell me how? I can't find anything about it in the wiki.. Jul 31 16:52:33 Yashy, i once observed this too... maybe it really doesn't have enough memory (opkg probably needs a fair amount of RAM) Jul 31 16:52:54 i solved it by temporarily shutting down X, freeing some RAM Jul 31 16:56:33 i also remember some mails on devel about memory leaks in opkg, so maybe this gets better in the future Jul 31 16:56:41 navit never sees any satellites, is there a way to check if the GPS is aquiring data? (e.g. to read the NMEA data) Jul 31 16:58:11 cat /dev/ttySAC1 Jul 31 16:58:33 dog /dev/bone Jul 31 16:59:51 rofl. Jul 31 17:01:05 someone should make a cat clone called dog. Jul 31 17:01:12 if there isnt already ^_^ Jul 31 17:01:35 (or just link it/copy it over) Jul 31 17:04:54 ThomasB: OK will try Jul 31 17:11:30 I got my freerunner delivered half an hour ago, and it came with the capacitor already on the SD socket pins (for the GPS malarky) Jul 31 17:11:51 zmoll: neat Jul 31 17:11:54 :o Jul 31 17:12:07 I am as happy as a cheerful thing Jul 31 17:12:24 tor-nadeer in a trailer park Jul 31 17:14:09 zmoll: Here are the steps I followed when I got mine, YMMV: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner Jul 31 17:14:49 As i have 0 software skills, is there anything useful (to the community) I could do? Like test the GPS with and without SD card? Or is there plenty of results for that? Jul 31 17:15:09 help organize the wiki. Jul 31 17:15:29 test stuff no one else seems to be testing Jul 31 17:15:37 QA on bug reports. Jul 31 17:15:47 dance for our amusement. Jul 31 17:15:49 Thanks, Yashy, bookmarked that :-) Jul 31 17:16:11 hehe, would not be amusing Jul 31 17:16:25 zmoll: please avoid Yashy's wiki. It's his own incomplete and misleading information about the FR that should be on the main wiki. Jul 31 17:16:35 he has been trolling here with it for the last week. Jul 31 17:16:35 zmoll: if you want to help with the wiki, the -documentation mailing list is worth reading Jul 31 17:18:10 Chox: there are some good arguments for an independent wiki. There\s some suggestion by Openmoko that they're going to take stuff off the wiki onto the .com site once it's "stable" Jul 31 17:18:39 Stroller: I've yet to here them, and I've know first hand plenty otherwise. Jul 31 17:18:58 there's a good argument for an external "news" site, however Jul 31 17:19:00 If the openmoko wiki had stable information, I wouldn't have one hundreds use Jul 31 17:19:15 Yashy's trolling is selfish, no more. Jul 31 17:19:27 I will have a look at wikis. Jul 31 17:19:33 what's the URL, Yashy ? Jul 31 17:19:46 Yes, let's fragment the information _furhter_ Jul 31 17:19:54 Stroller: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner Jul 31 17:20:03 TY Jul 31 17:20:07 zmoll: where did you get the freerunner from? Jul 31 17:20:16 I don't try to compete with the openmoko wiki, I just list the steps I follow when my phone bricks :) Jul 31 17:20:29 tc : the ups man. hahahahaha Jul 31 17:20:42 Truebox Jul 31 17:20:47 I also ignore Chox, so don't see his trolling, so who knows what he's trolling about now. Jul 31 17:20:52 Chox: I'm sorry, but I don't want to contribute to corporate sock-puppetry Jul 31 17:21:02 Stroller: I have no idea what you're on about. Jul 31 17:21:04 I recommend you check out both, and see what works for you Jul 31 17:21:27 Stroller: Yashy's information is incomplete, misleading and time wasting for those of us trying to give genuine help. Jul 31 17:21:45 Then let him fix it Jul 31 17:21:47 Stroller: becareful feeding the trolls, you could waste a lot of time :) Jul 31 17:22:07 I have seen his type before. He thinks he's doing a wonderful thing by providing short term fixes and "help", but it really just undermines any overall effort Jul 31 17:22:14 lol Jul 31 17:22:17 Whatever Jul 31 17:22:21 lots of losers? Jul 31 17:22:22 I'm sorry I spoke Jul 31 17:22:25 why? Jul 31 17:22:41 I'm sorry you suggested I'm at the beck and call of coporate overlords. Jul 31 17:23:37 Chox: I didn't say you were Jul 31 17:23:46 You don't need to msg me his text, I have him on ignore for a reason Jul 31 17:24:07 If the openmoko wiki wasn't incomplete and misleading, mine wouldn't be so popular :) Jul 31 17:24:07 Stroller: then perhaps you care to explain your statement about sock puppets? Jul 31 17:24:25 * Stroller just wants the channel to know he isn't private messaging anyone Jul 31 17:24:32 Chox: if you have patience, I will Jul 31 17:24:40 certainly. Jul 31 17:25:03 At the end of the day, the openmoko wiki is owned by Openmoko.com, FIC Inc, whatever Jul 31 17:25:11 I disagree. Jul 31 17:25:15 They make open phone hardware Jul 31 17:25:20 That's wonderful Jul 31 17:26:05 "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2" Jul 31 17:26:07 FWIW: I contribute to the openmoko corporate wiki, the GTA02_WLAN page was pretty much me Jul 31 17:27:04 But I don't buy into their whole "interacting with a creative community of individuals to self-actualize a whole vision" thing Jul 31 17:27:05 importing my contacts was the best thing i did Jul 31 17:27:11 that python script rocks :-) Jul 31 17:27:35 Openmoko "don't take votes" - they do it their way Jul 31 17:28:15 And so I don't want to contribute my work and then have them make it into static pages on their .com site Jul 31 17:28:21 and, because I didn't have a vcard already, i needed to write another proggie to import from a text file into vcard :-) Jul 31 17:28:25 I just don't choose to buy into their software vision Jul 31 17:28:28 still, the effort was minimal Jul 31 17:28:47 Stroller: sup Jul 31 17:29:04 And I can't see how one can be confident that the wiki will remain independent when the domain is owned by FIC. Jul 31 17:29:06 Hey, Guilt Jul 31 17:29:12 Stroller: I might agree, except I don't really think there's any vision at all. There's a decided vacuum in terms of software direction. Jul 31 17:29:31 you don't need to be. The licencing protects it Jul 31 17:29:35 Stroller: FIC had openmoko, they spun off Jul 31 17:29:38 I think they have this fantastic bunch of ideas which they're lame at implementing Jul 31 17:29:49 yeah. there isnt any focus Jul 31 17:30:12 even in general desktop linux, there isn't a consensus on what library is better Jul 31 17:30:12 I agree the wiki is a mostly a huge mess. I don't agree that a half-arsed replication of incomplete and incorrect information elsewhere is the way to fix it. Jul 31 17:30:15 gtk or QT Jul 31 17:30:30 Guilt: yeah, but sometimes it's easier to say FIC than "Openmoko the company". I guess FIC have a large stake in Openmoko Jul 31 17:30:32 still Jul 31 17:30:35 zmoll: thanks :) Jul 31 17:30:37 especially since the motivation behind Yashy's wiki is clearly quite selfish Jul 31 17:30:38 Chox: well. Openmoko has to publish official documentation then Jul 31 17:30:47 Chox: it's very informative still Jul 31 17:30:55 Stroller: the best part is, FIC just makes the hardware Jul 31 17:30:59 Guilt: why do they _have_ to? Jul 31 17:31:04 the remaining is what you put into it. Jul 31 17:31:13 Chox: i only wish there was better way to search than wget -r && grep -rE "..." . Jul 31 17:31:17 Chox: then there is no way you can prevent crap in the wiki Jul 31 17:31:18 ;) Jul 31 17:31:31 Guilt: as far as I'm concerned that's all Openmoko Inc or FIC make. I can't wait for Ubuntomoko, FreeMoko or whatever Jul 31 17:31:36 Guilt: It can mostly be prevented, but that's beside the point. Another wiki is just more crap. Jul 31 17:31:54 Stroller: i don't really care which distro/program anyway. as long as ONE version works Jul 31 17:32:05 Chox: not another wiki Jul 31 17:32:13 wiki for unofficial community stuff Jul 31 17:32:19 formal documentation elsewhere Jul 31 17:32:26 Guilt: With open hardware, it's only time until there are multiple working software solutions Jul 31 17:32:55 Yashy: there already are multiple distros Jul 31 17:33:05 it'll be a short while till they put *BSD onto it Jul 31 17:33:06 such splits happen elsewhere, when the main company has no way for the community to contribute. This is not the case here, and generally, it's a worse solution. Jul 31 17:33:18 The advantage of things being "open" is anyone can do what they want with it, and others can choose to particpate or ignore. Jul 31 17:33:39 Chox: well, anyway, I'm not getting involved in you & Yashy. I think you should judge on the content, not his "selfish" motivations. But if I have anything of significance to write, I'll be putting it on my own site, too. This is the same way most Linux documentation has always worked - you Google what you're interested in, open the first 4 or 5 hits in different tabs and pick & choose between all of them. Jul 31 17:33:40 Stroller: when they said 'developer mobile' they were quite right Jul 31 17:34:11 Stroller: I search for Linux stuff on Google several times every day. TBH, it's dire. Jul 31 17:34:22 if I want accurate OM documentation, I want to look on the OM wiki. Jul 31 17:34:48 I find the only negative discussion around openmoko is the constant trolling by Chox :) It is undeniably the least productive movement around openmoko. Jul 31 17:34:51 Guilt: absolutely. But they also said lots of "innovative community participation, blue sky vision bullshit", and that kinda blinded me, for one. Jul 31 17:34:57 Stroller: depending on google is not nice :) Jul 31 17:35:33 I have been giving help in terms of documentation and wikis for a very very long time. My opinion on this matter is based upon hard experience Jul 31 17:35:35 Stroller: well. so there is innovate participation Jul 31 17:35:46 tangogps, om2007.2, etc. Jul 31 17:35:47 http://www.cuil.com/ an alternate to google with a better privacy policy. Good thing they didn't listen to Chox :) Jul 31 17:35:55 well a linuxquestions.org site is a good thought that would take it out of the corps hands and make EVERYBODY happy Jul 31 17:36:03 in most open source projects it's talk after you code Jul 31 17:36:29 but there should be some consensus among what distro is right, at least from FIC/Openmoko's point of view Jul 31 17:36:45 or if they want to experiment for a while and merge things together, that's okay too. Jul 31 17:36:57 but there ought to be _ONE_ official release, that is true Jul 31 17:36:57 still trying to bring to the surface that stack Jul 31 17:36:59 Yashy: we'd need a search engine where the crawled data is not held by only a single entity Jul 31 17:37:13 yup Jul 31 17:37:13 if that stack is up, i'd be damn happy. Jul 31 17:37:16 search engines are an irrelevant conflation of this issue. Jul 31 17:37:18 is phoneme in the stack? Jul 31 17:37:19 lindi-: True, there are a few like this, but they still suck Jul 31 17:37:20 or java se? Jul 31 17:37:44 Guilt: yeah, but community participation is limited when Openmoko say "screw you, we're removing the button" Jul 31 17:37:52 lindi: http://www.majestic12.co.uk/ for example. Jul 31 17:37:55 Stroller: they should make it democratic Jul 31 17:38:01 like, vote or get lost. Jul 31 17:38:11 at least device owners should get to vote Jul 31 17:38:17 Guilt: IMO, yes. Or Openmoko Inc should stick to hardware and _minimal_ software. Jul 31 17:38:23 storller: I think that's a bit contrived. If it really came to that, the wiki would be forked. Jul 31 17:38:39 but that's not an issue at present, and forcing the issue will not improve things. Jul 31 17:38:42 Chox: voting helps Jul 31 17:38:45 whats wrong with forks anyways? Jul 31 17:39:09 linuxxr: ASU, GTK, FSO :o Jul 31 17:39:18 Chox: I'm not sure what you're saying is contrived. Jul 31 17:39:21 They're all tined and pokey. Just try eating soup with them. Jul 31 17:39:23 suse forked off slackware an so on Jul 31 17:39:24 Guilt: accurate information is better. Jul 31 17:39:24 I'd like to see more forks of corporate environments, like telcos :) Jul 31 17:39:45 Chox: votes are democratic? Jul 31 17:39:49 and accurate? Jul 31 17:39:50 oh please. Jul 31 17:39:53 why not. Jul 31 17:40:05 well. let FIC bring out an official list of customers Jul 31 17:40:12 keep a support account for them; Jul 31 17:40:21 keep a common voting day on software stack/issues Jul 31 17:40:25 and get to work. Jul 31 17:40:29 Yashy: is that free software? Jul 31 17:40:29 ok, never mind, I don't want a disucssion on politics ;-) my real point is that a wiki committee isn't likely to help stuff either. Jul 31 17:40:29 lol Jul 31 17:41:00 Chox: see that's the problem with dictatorship ;) Jul 31 17:41:32 have you heard of JSR? Jul 31 17:41:35 they get stuff done? ;-) Jul 31 17:41:38 lindi: Majestic12? yup. Jul 31 17:41:42 i'm not sure if it's exactly great, but it works. Jul 31 17:41:49 Chox: what stuff done? Jul 31 17:41:49 JSR: didn't he write Lord Of The Rings? Jul 31 17:41:59 Yashy: i haven't found licensing info Jul 31 17:42:01 dunno. I think we're losing track here. Jul 31 17:42:10 Java Specification Request Jul 31 17:42:26 Chox: many things aren't even usable, for once. Jul 31 17:42:43 i'm not blaming them. but they ought to put those on high priority. Jul 31 17:42:53 if their current stack works beautifully, alright! :-) Jul 31 17:42:56 anyway, the very important point is that the information we _do have_ on the wiki is made accurate. Random shit that others thought up instead isn't in anybody's interest Jul 31 17:43:15 lindi-: it's BSD IIRC Jul 31 17:43:22 Guilt: well, yes. everyone agrees the software forking is a big mess. but I'm not really discussing that. Jul 31 17:43:25 Yashy: 'I wish my competitors well, but I am not inclined to give them free ride - a lot of code that I have was written and rewritten many times to get very high performance out of it - I would not want to sell it for money, yet alone give it to them for free.' Jul 31 17:43:39 Yashy: the source code does not seem to be available Jul 31 17:43:59 lindi-: http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/dsearch/download.php Jul 31 17:44:00 Yashy: 'The project is not open source at the moment -' Jul 31 17:44:19 Yashy: i can't find source from that page Jul 31 17:44:28 Yashy: only binaries Jul 31 17:44:44 I hope I've demonstrated that with the USB Networking page rewrite. Beside Yashy's attempt to distract people, we've had a _lot_ fewer questions about how to making networking work. Jul 31 17:45:21 lindi-: not sure, I don't use it. There are a few distributed search engines out there, as I said, they just suck so far :) (but have the potential to be great) Jul 31 17:45:22 Yashy: so it looks proprietary software to me :( Jul 31 17:45:24 Chox: btw. any idea why the battery discharges quicker with the newer OM 2007.2 uImage s? Jul 31 17:45:41 Yashy: yacy should be almost free software Jul 31 17:45:42 lindi-: It's not like google or cuill are open source alternatives... Jul 31 17:45:44 Guilt: I have no idea. Need experts on all these things to make the wiki good. Jul 31 17:45:55 doh yacy was the otherone I couldn't remember Jul 31 17:46:17 Those are the two I tried last I looked, still seemed beta Jul 31 17:48:15 Stroller: TBH, I'm still not sure what your point is. You object to potential overlordship (understandable) yet there's been none, and if there was, alternative arragements would be made. Jul 31 17:48:16 Chox: here is a question on uImage.. Jul 31 17:48:28 Guilt: yessir? Jul 31 17:48:33 if i dfu-ed a uImage, will the data in /etc/ get wiped out? Jul 31 17:48:40 no Jul 31 17:48:40 and on /home/root Jul 31 17:48:43 nope Jul 31 17:48:49 what does uImage exactly do? Jul 31 17:48:52 where does it put it's files Jul 31 17:48:53 it's the kernel Jul 31 17:48:56 its :p Jul 31 17:48:59 the vmlinuz, u mean? Jul 31 17:49:24 or it's arm equivalent? Jul 31 17:49:26 well, vmlinuz is just one way of making a kernel that's suitable for bootloader. uImage is vmlinuz with some additional headers. Jul 31 17:49:29 its! Jul 31 17:49:52 cool. i want to flash the new kernel. Jul 31 17:49:56 there's no generalizations to be had in the ARM world. uImage is normally used by uboot, however. Jul 31 17:50:09 or i could do a opkg upgrade Jul 31 17:50:20 but the problem with opkg upgrade is i am unable to boot it later :( Jul 31 17:50:31 the 2007.2 Jul 31 17:50:55 After googling for hours I finally found out where the desktop icons are stored and I see that tangogps.desktop is there but it doesn't show up on the ASU. I haven't found a fix for this any ideas? Jul 31 17:51:39 hmm. Just enquired w/ Tungsten graphics how much $$ they usually require to put together an accelerated X server port, looks like $200k-500k. That's one hell of a bake sale. Jul 31 17:51:40 Centuar: thanks for pointing out the problems with Google and finding stuff :o Jul 31 17:51:58 expen$ive Jul 31 17:52:10 Chox: there's already been the stupid keyboard thing. That has only been returned as an option because there was such furore about it. When i choose a distro I don't want to have a furore over the stuff I want - I want open and full design documents & community input. What'll happen next time is that it'll be something I care about & no-one else does. Already some 3rd part developers (Marcus & all) are seeing this - there's stuff ha Jul 31 17:52:24 * Stroller prolly got cut off their Jul 31 17:52:27 * Stroller prolly got cut off there, too Jul 31 17:52:31 has anyone else found the case on the freerunner to be almost impossible to get into? Jul 31 17:52:56 do you just prise, or push and prise? Jul 31 17:53:08 Guilt: http://hackepedia.org/?title=Neo_freerunner#Flashing more accurate and up to date than the corporate wiki when I wrote it on flashing your kernel :) Jul 31 17:53:10 ajbrun: you mean the battery? I insert a coin and twist Jul 31 17:53:20 well, I agree. But that's the mess that is the software stack, and predictible outcome of different companies with different requirements (OM vs TT). But that's less relevant to the wiki. Jul 31 17:53:38 to open the case Jul 31 17:53:54 there's no obvious direction for anything expect perhaps FSO Jul 31 17:54:07 but that's clearly going to take some time. Jul 31 17:54:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw <---reallly really good kernel information video (generic linux info) Jul 31 17:54:28 figured you guys would enjoy watching Jul 31 17:54:30 don't think i have a thin enough coin :p Jul 31 17:54:36 Stroller: What did you have after "there's stuff ha..."? Jul 31 17:54:45 Guilt: in other words, Yashy selfishly updated his wiki, rather than updating the main one with accurate information. Jul 31 17:54:47 Yashy: i use dfu-util Jul 31 17:54:49 that's okay. Jul 31 17:54:57 Already some 3rd part developers (Marcus & all) are seeing this - there's stuff happening in ASU / FSO that most people don't understand. They do, however, see the ramifications, and FIC aren't listening. Jul 31 17:55:01 assuming his information is more accurate, of which I'm dubious Jul 31 17:55:06 i'm asking why is it when i do a opkg upgrade does it fuck up other things Jul 31 17:55:28 Guilt: It just shows the dfu-util syntax if you're not familiar. Nothing to see here :) Jul 31 17:56:03 Chox: well, I'm just not participating in anything software (or in any way "soft") from Openmoko. I'll buy their hardware because that's what I want from them. I'll prolly buy GTA03 & 04 & onwards Jul 31 17:56:06 Guilt: without knowing specifics, I can only guess. Jul 31 17:56:14 opkg upgrade Jul 31 17:56:19 blah... whole list of stuff Jul 31 17:56:28 then i reboot my openmoko. won't boot Jul 31 17:56:49 although opkg upgrade on unstable software will always pull in lots of stuff that might not have been tested together. Jul 31 17:56:59 there's simply not the rigor or processes in places that exist for example in Debian Jul 31 17:57:04 Guilt: perhaps upgrade also upgrades your kernel, which may still be bugging since 7/28? Jul 31 17:57:14 and such processes require lots of people. Jul 31 17:57:29 I acknowledge that anythign I say against Openmoko can be completely negated by them - all they have to do is say "we make Open hardware which runs Linux and which you can compile & flash yourself" and I just have to roll over & play dead. They won. Jul 31 17:57:31 s/bugging/buggy Jul 31 17:57:40 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9063639ba42 10/setup.py: Jul 31 17:57:40 freesmartphone.org: Revert "Use absolute path for the config files in setup.py" Jul 31 17:57:40 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 253906f561fa8d8dbb24a492bbe18abb4f9d6387 which Jul 31 17:57:40 freesmartphone.org: breaks OE installation as we need to install into relative paths. Jul 31 17:57:59 Stroller: I don't understand why. Jul 31 17:58:12 what have they won? And why would you be worse off? Jul 31 17:58:18 Stroller: I also bought the NF for the hardware, and enjoy watching different software solutions appear until I find one I like. Jul 31 17:58:43 Chox: They have won all arguments. Jul 31 17:58:50 Yashy: hm? Jul 31 17:59:01 It is choice that is the important part to me. Jul 31 17:59:10 Chox: Openmoko make the ONLY "Open mobile phone which runs Linux and which you can compile & flash yourself" Jul 31 17:59:27 Guilt: try the 7/27 kernel and see if that works. I had that issue on 7/28 and trying the 7/27 one fixed my issue. Jul 31 17:59:29 Chox: I'll wash their feet forever for that Jul 31 17:59:48 (as long as they continue to make source code available for kernel modules & stuff) Jul 31 18:00:38 I guess I still don't understand your point. perhaps I'm missing some aspect of your philopshy. Jul 31 18:01:02 But the hardware is all I want from them. I don't want their mapping software which "allows you to share location information with your friends" because I know they'll do it exactly the way I don't want it done. Jul 31 18:01:11 I agree. Jul 31 18:01:20 so do you have some argument with OM? Jul 31 18:01:33 i use 7/29 now Jul 31 18:01:47 and already 7/31 is up. Yashy, is 7/31 okay? Jul 31 18:01:56 Chox: it's simple. I want hardware from Openmoko, not software. I'll support their hardware any way I can (buying it is the only way I immediately see how) but not their crappy software. Jul 31 18:02:11 Guilt: not sure, try it? :) Jul 31 18:02:13 Guilt: please stop pandering to yashy's information. He's not an expert, just a hack. Jul 31 18:02:45 :-o Jul 31 18:02:52 Guilt: The old kernels are online, so if the new one doesn't work you can simply revert to an older one. Jul 31 18:03:26 true Jul 31 18:03:35 but the problem isn't kernel per se Jul 31 18:03:43 either it's the ipks or it's a buggy opkg Jul 31 18:04:12 it's only after the upgrade do things go horribly wrong Jul 31 18:04:18 all of the software is still buggy :) Jul 31 18:04:29 XD Jul 31 18:05:07 Yes. And it's ALL YOUR FAULT, Yashy Jul 31 18:05:12 :o Jul 31 18:05:13 Yashy: SPLITTER! Jul 31 18:05:46 btw. i always end up with 2 devices: Jul 31 18:05:46 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 31 18:05:46 Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Jul 31 18:05:48 Ayashy Jul 31 18:05:52 ~yashy Jul 31 18:05:53 yashy is, like, a splitter! Jul 31 18:05:57 :P Jul 31 18:06:07 so i need to do -d 0x1d50:0x5119 .. is that happening elsewhere too? Jul 31 18:06:10 ~chox Jul 31 18:06:18 ~chocky Jul 31 18:06:22 :( Jul 31 18:06:48 * Yashy giggles Jul 31 18:07:13 * Yashy started the the bsd/sysv split Jul 31 18:07:39 I've been hibernating since, so I decided to spice things up Jul 31 18:09:23 Guilt: that other device in the dfu-util output looks like a bluetooth adapter Jul 31 18:09:34 oh? Jul 31 18:09:37 no idea. Jul 31 18:09:41 put the USB IDs into Google. Jul 31 18:09:46 one thing it's good for :o Jul 31 18:09:51 btw. i'm getting CRCFAIL 0x1a3f .. is that normal? Jul 31 18:10:00 Chox: hmm :-) Jul 31 18:10:01 Anyway, "-d 0x1d50:0x5119" is correct for the Freerunner Jul 31 18:10:11 yeah. i figured that by lsusb Jul 31 18:10:24 there's a parameter where you an specific the device to dfu Jul 31 18:10:33 -d Jul 31 18:10:37 ^^ that one Jul 31 18:10:45 I don't know what that CRCFAIL means Jul 31 18:10:54 Chox: any idea about CRCFAIL? Jul 31 18:10:59 sorry, no Jul 31 18:11:24 do u get it in dmesg ? Jul 31 18:11:39 Guilt: the CRCfail is during FR boot? Jul 31 18:11:44 oh, from the kernel. I think that's normal Jul 31 18:11:50 wouldn't worry too much about it. Jul 31 18:12:07 as long as it's otherwise working :o Jul 31 18:13:15 # dmesg | grep CRCFAIL | wc -l Jul 31 18:13:15 6 Jul 31 18:13:37 yes Jul 31 18:13:53 with 2007.2 / july 31 image Jul 31 18:14:10 hmm: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022525.html Jul 31 18:14:47 'However, PMU driver was feeling this way before userspace got started Jul 31 18:14:47 and therefore before pid 1 existed. It turned out that Linux reacts to Jul 31 18:14:47 this situation by killing the nearest thing to hand, which was the JFFS2 Jul 31 18:14:47 garbage collection thread, with a variety of outcomes including failure Jul 31 18:14:47 to complete mount of rootfs. It's long fixed.' Jul 31 18:19:42 what is the difference between flashing to the most recent image and just using opkg upgrade? Jul 31 18:20:19 with flashing you lose the audit trail/versioning Jul 31 18:21:10 I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what that'll do for me. Jul 31 18:21:23 not much, probably. Do whichever works best for you. Jul 31 18:21:44 Great, thanks! Jul 31 18:23:31 dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper ./media/card/P123.jpg Jul 31 18:23:43 How would I make such a change permanent? Jul 31 18:24:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdde4f8abd338 10/setup.py: install /etc files into proper location Jul 31 18:27:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5b0878b69037 10/setup.py: one layer down Jul 31 18:34:15 Stroller: so, er. It's not that I disgree with much that you've said, it's just that none of it address the wiki content. Jul 31 18:34:52 * Stroller shrugs at Chox Jul 31 18:36:07 it seems like you expect OM to make open hardware and then throw it open, and the community, such as it is, to provide the wiki, and some cohesion in terms of software. Only the 3rd item there is the part that is not really true. correct? Jul 31 18:37:13 Yashy: put it in .xsession? Jul 31 18:37:51 Guilt: Will do :) I didn't know if you can manually edit ~/.gconf/desktop/poky/interface Jul 31 18:38:00 or somehow make those files static Jul 31 18:38:05 anyway. check out /etc/X11/Xserver Jul 31 18:38:58 /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm Jul 31 18:39:22 oops. that's splash Jul 31 18:39:42 wallpaper.png :-) Jul 31 18:40:54 Yashy: here are some good ones: http://www.zaurusthemes.biz/content/wallpapers/480x640/index.html Jul 31 18:42:19 I just shrunk some of my own and scp'd them to /media/disk Jul 31 18:43:12 :-) Jul 31 18:43:19 i'm thinking of keeping symlinks Jul 31 18:44:07 imagemagick rocks. convert blah.jpg blah.png Jul 31 18:45:49 In Xserver there are +10 options in the case statement. I'm assuming we only want the GTA01/GTA02 option. If I remove the rest, wheer would I submit the diff? Jul 31 18:46:12 to your wiki, surely? Jul 31 18:46:25 wouldn't want any kind of coordination. Jul 31 18:46:57 yup. moving the wallpaper worked. Jul 31 18:47:07 Chox: grr Jul 31 18:47:16 you know, Jul 31 18:47:26 when some guy wants to help, you should let them ;) Jul 31 18:47:26 I know what? Jul 31 18:47:37 Guilt: correct. Now let's turn that around. Jul 31 18:47:54 Guilt: don't feed the troll :) Jul 31 18:47:58 yashy's half-arsed information seriously undermines the ability of myself or others to help using correct information. Jul 31 18:48:36 if he wants to provide stuff in a community environment, he needs to be open to critique and correct. Jul 31 18:48:54 er, corrections :p Jul 31 18:49:32 In Xserver there are +10 options in the case statement. I'm assuming we only want the GTA01/GTA02 option. If I remove the rest, where would I submit the diff? Jul 31 18:49:32 my buttons at the upper right dissapear, is there any fix for that? im using the stable release Jul 31 18:49:53 \o/ http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_10039461?nclick_check=1 Jul 31 18:49:54 aggtrfrad: # /etc/init.d/xserv* restart Jul 31 18:49:59 .. Jul 31 18:50:41 Didn't work? Jul 31 18:50:55 i meant without having to rr X Jul 31 18:50:59 but ty :p Jul 31 18:51:18 why do you have to fight each other eh Jul 31 18:51:23 the world is going to end ;) Jul 31 18:52:07 Guilt: I have him on ignore, I realize there was no productivity otherwise. My issue is others don't do the same and get sucked in to the vortex :) Jul 31 18:52:29 sigh, hypocrite. Jul 31 18:52:32 well. i can't say more. Jul 31 18:52:39 we could all learn to live together Jul 31 18:53:03 Guilt: certainly. As soon as he wants to work with others maintaining correct information the wiki. Jul 31 18:53:18 and is open to corrections and critique of his work as I am Jul 31 18:54:55 Yashy: what's wrong with updating the wiki? Jul 31 18:55:00 Guilt: although I happen to notice the rather one-sidedness of _your_ critisism to date. Jul 31 18:55:09 Chox: hmm? Jul 31 18:55:15 Guilt: I update the corporate wiki and my own? Jul 31 18:55:25 what corporate wiki? Jul 31 18:55:42 The OM wiki is not coporote in any meaningful sense. Jul 31 18:55:48 Guilt: You'll soon realize he's an immature troll. I've moved on, I want to stay productive instead of participating in juvenille discussions. Jul 31 18:55:49 corporate Jul 31 18:55:54 you mean the main pages vs. your own page? Jul 31 18:56:17 the openmoko wiki and hackepedia wiki, I participate in both. Jul 31 18:56:29 * Chox appreciates that having accurate and correct information sometimes makes him unpopular. I can live with that. Jul 31 18:56:36 ohh. Jul 31 18:57:02 I appreciate that those who haven't spent many years helping others won't always appreciate how difficult it is. Jul 31 18:57:57 Chox: probably we should all be asking for reviews before posting on the openmoko wiki Jul 31 18:58:04 everybody, for that matter Jul 31 18:58:17 maybe that could sort the personal issues out Jul 31 18:58:29 just my thoughts. Jul 31 18:58:30 there's not personal. It's about accuracy. Jul 31 18:58:43 Chox: re-read. :-) Jul 31 18:58:52 in any case, I think you'll find that I _did_ get my Netwoking page reviewed. Jul 31 18:58:52 brb Jul 31 18:59:09 so please be careful to whom you are offering advice. Jul 31 18:59:32 \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ Jul 31 18:59:39 er, Mexican Dave Jul 31 18:59:40 dance everybody, dance! Jul 31 19:00:24 what did you break today? Jul 31 19:02:38 so, which os is best for battery life? that's my main concern atm Jul 31 19:02:46 or is it more of a kernel issue? Jul 31 19:03:19 will mostly be a kernel issue, but how it's invoked from the distro will matter a little Jul 31 19:04:03 :) Jul 31 19:04:07 right, i understand the underpinnings. but an actual os knowing how to truly call suspend vs the kernel actually having working suspend are two different things Jul 31 19:04:25 What DIDN'T I break Jul 31 19:04:26 anyone familiar enough with it all know which gives the best battery life, or is it solely the kernel's fault for bad battery? Jul 31 19:04:27 :P Jul 31 19:05:01 Joerg! Jul 31 19:05:07 again, that's mostly true, and probably should be 100% true, but there might be some expectations from the kernel about what userspace should do. Jul 31 19:05:07 Fix my power charging woes :( Jul 31 19:05:32 Chox, still not my question. you're discussing theory Jul 31 19:05:53 I am, but not nearly as much as you think Jul 31 19:05:55 i want to know if there is an os that can work it so that i can get good battery life. or is the kernel still just bad at it so that no OS will work well Jul 31 19:06:18 I'm sorry I don't have precise knowledge of this, but I can talk from first hand experience in similar stuff, and from having looked at _some_ of the suspend code in 2007.2 Jul 31 19:06:25 Dave! Tell me how to get my BT headset working :( Jul 31 19:06:38 so is 2007.2 my best bet? Jul 31 19:06:54 right now, i can't go to lunch and back without losing much of my battery Jul 31 19:06:58 I don't have an answer for that, nor any evidence for that. Jul 31 19:07:08 and that's the biggest thing keeping me from really testing this phone and reporting bugs back Jul 31 19:07:10 but clearly power saving is still very muich a WIP Jul 31 19:07:16 :) Jul 31 19:07:21 tkep: for the short while i had qtopia on my fr it seemed to do very well as far as battery life Jul 31 19:07:22 which is obiouvsly unfornuate for everyone Jul 31 19:07:25 that's an understatement Jul 31 19:07:33 haha, very true chox Jul 31 19:07:43 AntonTakk, good to hear. how was the interface? functional? Jul 31 19:08:05 functional, yes, but it also had a feeling of being somehow glitchy Jul 31 19:08:39 how far off is milestone 2 for FSU? Jul 31 19:08:49 i hear it, as a phone only, is by far the best Jul 31 19:09:04 milestone 2 was released yesterday Jul 31 19:09:09 i am using it atm Jul 31 19:09:11 whoa, awesome Jul 31 19:09:18 och. didn't know that. Jul 31 19:09:20 seems reluctant to register to the gsm network thou Jul 31 19:09:24 \o/ Jul 31 19:09:25 * tkep wanders away to have a peek Jul 31 19:09:57 where can i find the images? Jul 31 19:10:08 search for FSO on the wiki Jul 31 19:10:19 thanks Jul 31 19:10:20 tkep: download.openmoko.org Jul 31 19:10:21 FSO for all! Jul 31 19:10:45 got it :) Jul 31 19:10:49 i have searched the wiki for "FSO" not a pleasant experience Jul 31 19:10:50 for some reason i thought it was fsu Jul 31 19:10:51 lol Jul 31 19:11:02 yeah, i find the wiki not a pleasant experience. but you all know that Jul 31 19:11:06 FSck Up? Jul 31 19:11:59 * sparrow waves Jul 31 19:15:35 evenign ... Jul 31 19:15:45 so, any news here :-) Jul 31 19:18:16 looks like no news to me :-0 Jul 31 19:20:18 Rigolo :o Jul 31 19:20:24 Rigolo: Well, "news" is relative for everyone. Jul 31 19:20:40 olds Jul 31 19:22:26 ologir Jul 31 19:24:30 friggin' amazing! FSO let's me make calls and does not get confusing by cancelled or rejected calls! Jul 31 19:29:09 Kero: good for you ... :-) Jul 31 19:29:14 well .. that is news :-) Jul 31 19:29:39 Kero: any problems getting fso to register to the cell network? Jul 31 19:30:52 no. it accepts my PIN and tells me my provider. I stressed it for a few minutes with broken off calls, because so far (incl FSO milestone 1) with one rejection some state machine got messed up and no incoming calls would even be noticed. Jul 31 19:31:28 reboted once, so did that PIN/provider thing only twice Jul 31 19:34:09 hrm Jul 31 19:34:20 at best it seems painfully slow here Jul 31 19:34:34 but once it registers, it is fine Jul 31 19:35:47 boting and starting is slow. registering with my other phone is not very fast, either. Jul 31 19:35:52 alphaone: congrats on MS2 :-) Jul 31 19:36:14 I wuld definitely not use the word "painful" :) Jul 31 19:37:02 Kero: i wonder if me not using a pin has anything to do with it Jul 31 19:41:43 hey guys, is this how I put milestone2 of FSO onto my SD card (to boot from)? Jul 31 19:41:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 Jul 31 19:43:44 Yasumoto: Did you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD ? Jul 31 19:44:51 abraxa_: No, I didn't. You're my hero, thanks :) Jul 31 19:45:12 You're welcome Jul 31 19:46:35 hey does anyone have the kenny screen locker? Jul 31 19:48:54 I killed him Jul 31 19:49:43 Yasumoto: btw, you might want to check your u-boot first before trying to modify the u-boot env. My u-boot already allows booting from a FAT-formatted SD, for example Jul 31 19:50:22 Chox, you bastard! Jul 31 19:50:28 abraxa_: Really? Jul 31 19:50:54 cool, I'll look it up Jul 31 19:55:17 whoa Jul 31 19:55:26 thanks for the heads up, abraxa_ Jul 31 19:55:32 whats new? Jul 31 19:56:29 Rigolo: thanks Jul 31 19:56:34 Zorkman: I'm taking the plunge and breaking away from 2007.2 Jul 31 19:57:18 have fun with it :) Jul 31 19:57:24 if you get navit running on either, let me know Jul 31 20:01:06 :o Jul 31 20:01:49 darkman: I accept all blame Jul 31 20:03:32 * Zorkman wonders confused "are you referring to me Chox??" Jul 31 20:04:49 what now? Jul 31 20:05:45 sorry, thought it might be a joke i didn't understand (darkman <==> zorkman) Jul 31 20:05:53 Zorkman! Jul 31 20:05:58 Chox, you bastard! Jul 31 20:06:03 :) Jul 31 20:06:04 llo alway enthousiastic Dave:) Jul 31 20:06:16 so should I rename uImage-2.6.24\+gitr0\+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905 Jul 31 20:06:22 * Chox high 5-broken-FRs Dave Jul 31 20:06:28 to uImage.bin ? Jul 31 20:06:41 :D Jul 31 20:06:44 Yasumoto: maybe, if you want uboot to pick it up off SD card Jul 31 20:06:58 otherwise, doesn't matter. Jul 31 20:07:01 Chox: cool, thanks Jul 31 20:07:19 Chox: that's precisely why, actually Jul 31 20:07:23 okomnepo: you seem mixed up. Jul 31 20:07:53 Let me sort you out: ekmnooop Jul 31 20:09:01 chox just a bit Jul 31 20:09:22 so, is there a naming issue on the fso download page for milestone 2? Jul 31 20:09:30 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Jul 31 20:09:54 tkep: don't think so, why? Jul 31 20:10:01 is jffs2.summary for gta02 supposed to not be the .summary? Jul 31 20:10:14 bascially, where is the jffs2 file for gta02? Jul 31 20:10:15 it's a different type of jffs2 image Jul 31 20:10:18 ok Jul 31 20:10:26 so i can flash just as if it were jffs2? Jul 31 20:10:34 wow, downloaded the hvsc archive to see about a new ring tone for fso Jul 31 20:10:35 I believe so. Jul 31 20:10:37 tkep: right Jul 31 20:10:41 thanks guys Jul 31 20:10:43 i did it Jul 31 20:10:46 woot. Jul 31 20:10:51 * Chox will too. Jul 31 20:11:22 35030 sid files Jul 31 20:11:23 and I have to say, it doesn't work as supposed to Jul 31 20:11:27 phone stuff Jul 31 20:11:30 in 60 some megs Jul 31 20:11:35 oh well, like ASU then :o Jul 31 20:11:45 asu works fine here Jul 31 20:12:08 i had several issues with it working as a phone Jul 31 20:12:23 me too. I don't have a sim :o Jul 31 20:12:24 AntonTakk: I'm sure some people would appreciate it if you'd pick a few good ones and put them somewhere Jul 31 20:12:26 the other stuff seems nice to me Jul 31 20:12:48 what is difference/purpose of openmoko svn repo vs git ? Jul 31 20:13:26 The former is easier to use :o Jul 31 20:13:29 abraxa_: can do - but i think sifting through 35K sid files will take time :) Jul 31 20:13:42 Chox, do they hold the same stuff? Jul 31 20:13:52 I don't know details. Jul 31 20:14:09 hi guys Jul 31 20:14:11 flashing to FSO, wish me luck :-D Jul 31 20:14:19 er, good somethings! Jul 31 20:14:37 And don't forget, if it doesn't work - you can blame Dave Jul 31 20:14:46 anyone ever tried to make a backup image with something like ddif=/dev/mtd ... ? Jul 31 20:15:06 Dude, awesome Jul 31 20:15:15 peter-b: does it not work? Jul 31 20:15:15 my first kernel panic on the freerunner Jul 31 20:15:28 i dont know Jul 31 20:15:31 peter-b, i would assume, based on my linux/unix knowledge, that would work Jul 31 20:15:33 well then :p Jul 31 20:15:40 creating the image atm Jul 31 20:15:46 there's no reason (in my mind) that a regular dd wouldn't work Jul 31 20:16:13 ould be that dfu-util handels the data differefntly Jul 31 20:16:19 peter-b: are you trying to make a backup or your fr Jul 31 20:16:22 -? Jul 31 20:16:24 dfu-util will expect some header, yes Jul 31 20:16:25 I feel really ridiculous right now, sorry for asking so many questions. Do I need to unpack the image onto the SD card first? Jul 31 20:16:28 yeah Jul 31 20:16:35 you know a better way ? Jul 31 20:16:41 Yasumoto: yes, if you want to SD boot Jul 31 20:16:46 dfu-util -U ? Jul 31 20:16:58 is it working now ? Jul 31 20:17:03 as opposed of dfu-util -D Jul 31 20:17:08 Yasumoto: in which case, you'll want the .tgz Jul 31 20:17:14 mmontour: magic! Jul 31 20:17:16 er Jul 31 20:17:18 tried dfu-util upload a couple days ago Jul 31 20:17:19 peter-b: don't know, never used it Jul 31 20:17:19 mmeastri Jul 31 20:17:24 Chox: ah, alright Jul 31 20:17:40 the last time i checke upload with dfu utils was broken Jul 31 20:17:42 Chox: mmaestri... Jul 31 20:17:43 hm, i could have swore it was charged when i turned if off and went to sleep Jul 31 20:17:52 (somewhere in the wiki) Jul 31 20:18:08 the sucker eats batteries weven when powered off Jul 31 20:18:17 kd8ikt, i was just bitching about that Jul 31 20:18:18 :) Jul 31 20:18:33 not the eating batteries while asleep, but just the battery issue Jul 31 20:18:45 mmmmaestrimunchy Jul 31 20:19:08 i'm going to kill the battery by discharging it constantly. by the time good power management is out, i won't know because i have no battery left :( Jul 31 20:19:29 it's all part of the plan to get you to buy a new battery Jul 31 20:19:49 Ghost riders in the sky! :) Jul 31 20:19:55 is it ok to call a personal software project moko____, or is that a copyright/trademark problem Jul 31 20:19:58 Riders on the storm? Jul 31 20:20:05 so, i know i asked this before, but just to be clear...assuming the fso installs fine, i can then--just like usual--do an opkg update and upgrade with no changes? Jul 31 20:20:11 or do i need to change the repo list? Jul 31 20:20:25 lucy in the sky...? Jul 31 20:20:34 with fossils? Jul 31 20:21:14 tkep: you'll have to configure the repos Jul 31 20:21:39 fso milestone 2 comes with a placeholder, but no actual repos Jul 31 20:21:49 that's a bit lame Jul 31 20:21:50 YEAH BITCH Jul 31 20:21:54 CHARGE AT TWO AMPS!!! Jul 31 20:22:04 ZZZT!! *poof* Jul 31 20:22:07 * Dave pictures jumper cables and 1.21JW Jul 31 20:22:09 :p Jul 31 20:22:16 even though it's just sitting on a charger :) Jul 31 20:22:17 So it looks like the .tgz for milestone 2 hasn't been released yet? Jul 31 20:22:18 Dave, why are you smoking? Jul 31 20:22:24 Smoking? Jul 31 20:22:27 :P Jul 31 20:22:32 from the explosion, cartoon like Jul 31 20:22:33 Bzzzzzzzzzt Jul 31 20:22:34 :D Jul 31 20:22:47 Who's bbq'ing? Jul 31 20:22:48 :p Jul 31 20:22:51 bbq! Jul 31 20:22:59 Yasumoto: which tgz? Jul 31 20:23:07 for FSO milestone 2 Jul 31 20:23:23 the first few bytes of ma dd image look the same as the image i flshed -> should work Jul 31 20:23:46 mmaestri: I want to extract the image onto my SD card and boot from that Jul 31 20:24:30 opkg upgrade Jul 31 20:24:35 damn Jul 31 20:24:40 wrong window :-) Jul 31 20:24:55 can FSO milestone 1 be upgraded to milestone 2, or must you flash it? Jul 31 20:25:09 Yasumoto: check the wiki Jul 31 20:26:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card Jul 31 20:27:16 mmaestri: I think he means that there are no instructions for a jffs2 image Jul 31 20:28:12 hoe is het zorkman? :] Jul 31 20:28:14 stupid bluetooth in the laptop Jul 31 20:28:23 Zorkman, Yasumoto http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 Jul 31 20:30:29 can't wait for SHR, so I can have a phone that can quintiple boot :-P Jul 31 20:30:32 Joerg, here? Jul 31 20:30:43 everything is fine Dave, except that navit continues to do absolutely nothing Jul 31 20:30:55 (well it boots, but doesn't get a fix or anything) Jul 31 20:31:03 mmaestri, is there a page for the repos? or are there repos? Jul 31 20:32:04 does anyone know how old the freerunner software is that it comes with? Jul 31 20:32:14 May. Jul 31 20:32:16 tkep: seems not. i've added repos from scaredycat, rabenfrost, angstrom, and 2007.2 Jul 31 20:32:21 kk Jul 31 20:32:29 mmaestri: hard core Jul 31 20:33:02 any change you could pastebin the file :-D Jul 31 20:33:07 * tkep is lazy Jul 31 20:33:20 i like variete... Jul 31 20:38:49 * Chox boots FSO! Jul 31 20:39:57 FSO2 does not give me GPS... what's "b G1 w S1" mean, not enough satellites? Jul 31 20:44:55 hm Jul 31 20:45:16 seems zipper than ASU Jul 31 20:45:51 does ASU run on gta01 these days? Jul 31 20:46:02 Kero, the download page seems to indicate so Jul 31 20:46:16 wait Jul 31 20:46:19 i'm thinking FSO Jul 31 20:46:21 dunno Jul 31 20:46:22 sorry Jul 31 20:46:36 FSO definitel does, since it's running on mine atm :) Jul 31 20:47:35 and with decent results. esp I have not yet managed to get GSM to break, which I managed with FSO1 easily. Jul 31 20:47:42 tkep: the repos: http://mibbit.com/pb/9YZUL0 Jul 31 20:48:03 pastebin told me that i'm a spammer Jul 31 20:48:05 so now I'm starting to wonder how GPRS works on FSO :) Jul 31 20:48:10 you spammer Jul 31 20:48:24 mmaestri, thank you much!!! Jul 31 20:50:11 Does anyone know if it's possible to toggle the multitap-pad in 2007.2? Jul 31 20:50:41 anyone running tangogps on asu ? Jul 31 20:51:00 * Chox tries for GPS in FSO Jul 31 20:51:38 peter-b: I am Jul 31 20:51:43 * Rigolo tries to get some sleep .... Jul 31 20:51:49 hm, nuttin' Jul 31 20:51:55 * mmaestri tried gps and it didn't worked well... Jul 31 20:52:05 can you set up the maps / tracks dirs without them changing back ? Jul 31 20:52:16 have fun today ... Jul 31 20:52:25 peter-b: not at the moment because the keyboard is broken Jul 31 20:52:27 do you have a keybord on asu ? Jul 31 20:52:32 lol Jul 31 20:52:41 i just tried with ssh -X Jul 31 20:52:55 but after a restert the changes are gone Jul 31 20:53:02 keyboard in FSO works fien Jul 31 20:53:08 *fine Jul 31 20:53:15 what else is working ? Jul 31 20:53:15 am i the only one who is confused about all these stacks? ;) Jul 31 20:53:17 well, FSO looks pretty sexy. if not very functional still Jul 31 20:53:19 even with gtk based apps Jul 31 20:53:23 lindi-: yep, just you :o Jul 31 20:53:41 which stack is /buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2? Jul 31 20:53:42 mmaestri: agreed, kdb works rather fine Jul 31 20:53:50 qtopia? Jul 31 20:53:55 2007.2 Jul 31 20:53:56 lindi-: 2007.2 Jul 31 20:54:04 will have qtopia in the name if it is. Jul 31 20:54:05 2007.2 of course :p Jul 31 20:54:10 oh Jul 31 20:54:18 atm i need tangogps and a phonebook Jul 31 20:54:21 mmaestri, thanks for this Jul 31 20:54:23 :) Jul 31 20:54:28 can i do that with fs0 2 ? Jul 31 20:54:42 tkep: you're welcome Jul 31 20:55:59 hmmm, i just connected my FR to my windows machine, and it asks me for driver software "RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget" :/ Jul 31 20:56:20 flexd: found it somewhere today Jul 31 20:56:23 I just wanted to charge it heh Jul 31 20:56:26 Chox: ok Jul 31 20:56:28 was working quite well Jul 31 20:56:35 i think it is in the wiki Jul 31 20:56:37 peter-b: what does it do? Jul 31 20:56:41 fledx: USB networking page. Jul 31 20:56:45 flexd: http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~rabe/neo/Neo1973.inf Jul 31 20:56:54 flexd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows Jul 31 20:57:02 it will charge w/o the driver Jul 31 20:57:12 s/will/should Jul 31 20:57:14 with 2007.2 'opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod' prints 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' -- any idea how to debug this? Jul 31 20:57:34 charges you with drivers under the influence Jul 31 20:57:49 means not found if i remember correctly Jul 31 20:58:16 lindi-, have you downloaded the ipk packages? Jul 31 20:58:56 spydon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Matchbox_keyboard suggests that with 2007.2 i would not need to do that Jul 31 20:59:03 spydon: or am i reading it wrong? Jul 31 20:59:28 lindi-, I have no idea, but try downloading the packages ans install it Jul 31 20:59:48 I cant do opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod either... Jul 31 21:00:08 spydon: ok Jul 31 21:00:33 lindi-, I think thats just for the scaredycat release of openmoko 2007.2 Jul 31 21:00:40 spydon: 'opkg update' says 'Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404' Jul 31 21:00:56 lindi-, thats a cosmetic error Jul 31 21:01:25 spydon: "ok" :) Jul 31 21:01:30 lindi: signatures are not used yet. Jul 31 21:02:38 i'm getting a seg fault when upgrading Jul 31 21:03:02 tries to download alsa-conf and then faults Jul 31 21:03:16 sitwon: Doesnt seem to charge Jul 31 21:03:28 lindi-: http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/12/Prophet,%20your%20path%20out%20of%20the%20cloud%20Presentation.pdf Jul 31 21:03:32 infact, seems like the phone just suspended when i connected it and/or shutdown Jul 31 21:03:34 Why am I getting "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'" when doing this - losetup $loop ? Jul 31 21:03:38 it wont resume anyway Jul 31 21:04:01 cos that's a bash redirect to nowhere. Jul 31 21:04:08 is suspend working with fs02 ? Jul 31 21:04:11 spydon: Remove the < and > Jul 31 21:04:20 peter-b: I think so? Jul 31 21:04:20 * Chox suspects it didn't mean to type it literally :p Jul 31 21:04:23 abraxa_, thx ^^ Jul 31 21:04:40 It's been going dark, and then resuming whenever i press the power button (and randomly whenever it recieves cell data :/) Jul 31 21:04:44 anyway, why are you using losetup? that's old skool Jul 31 21:04:46 for the better part of a day atleast Jul 31 21:04:50 more BS wiki information? Jul 31 21:04:57 but it might still be dodgy i guess, so it sometimes fails? Jul 31 21:06:12 ah shit, my turn to burn something Jul 31 21:06:53 how does fso2 suspend?? Jul 31 21:07:35 * Chox just about set a compactlfash card alight Jul 31 21:07:51 when did milestone 2 come out? Jul 31 21:08:06 Chox: I didn't think you literally meant burning something... Jul 31 21:08:33 question now is if my $300 dev board is toast or not Jul 31 21:08:45 is it on fire? Jul 31 21:08:50 anyone tried Mofi? (the application to access wireless APs) Jul 31 21:08:52 not yet Jul 31 21:08:58 Chox: board with what on it? Jul 31 21:08:59 then it might not be toast yet! :p Jul 31 21:09:05 peepsalot: like the 29-30th Jul 31 21:09:05 brb, need food to survive. Jul 31 21:09:18 Bubbi: i just tried, it gives an application error on the asu Jul 31 21:09:25 the CF card is :o Jul 31 21:10:00 Zorkman: I'm trying it on the 2007.02.. but it doesn't seem to respond to me clicking on the application.. Jul 31 21:10:20 Bubbi: give them some feedback on their forum, it will be useful to them Jul 31 21:10:42 espeak -ven+f4 "i love you, rub my touchpad" Jul 31 21:11:00 I've just restarted the neo. and now it seems to be able to start.. it's just veeeery slow Jul 31 21:11:03 ;) my moko is sexy Jul 31 21:11:10 <- try to emulate Dave Jul 31 21:11:34 Zorkman: HAH it works.. :P Well.. it shows some APs.. : Jul 31 21:11:35 :P Jul 31 21:12:57 Unfortunately, I don't have a wireless network at home, but one of my neighbours do, I see.. unfortunately it's WPA encrypted.. So i must wait for tomorrow to test it at work.. :) Jul 31 21:13:36 Chox: What's on your devel board? Jul 31 21:14:07 Bubbi: and aren't you the sweet little good one Jul 31 21:14:18 it's just an AMD x86 thing with various networking Jul 31 21:14:22 Bubbi: on the asu it keeps giving an application error, even after reboot, did you do something speical? Jul 31 21:14:31 ok, suspend and calling fso seemed to work, but I did loose audio now. also refuses to suspend again. Jul 31 21:14:41 finally I broke it :) Jul 31 21:14:41 damn that loose audio! tie it down! Jul 31 21:14:55 eth01: If I could hack into it, i'd do it, but I have noooo knowledge as to how to do it.. :) Jul 31 21:14:56 now where to report bugs... Jul 31 21:15:39 Zorkman: I didn't follow the installation guide on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mofi#Installation .. I just did a "opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/277/mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk" Jul 31 21:16:21 The installation guide shows to do a "scp mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk root@192.168.0.202:/tmp/" Which I didn't know what did, so I just did the other thing Jul 31 21:17:19 OK, also seems the SMS someone replied to me did not show in FSO. Jul 31 21:17:21 Zorkman: heh, I wrote "test" as the password for my neighbours network. Mofi just went into an endless loop it seemed like.. Jul 31 21:17:52 yeah, arrived over an hour ago. Jul 31 21:18:33 hm, board might be toast Jul 31 21:18:34 Zorkman: But i'll see if I can find some time tomorrow to give some feedback to the developer on the project, through the project forum.. Jul 31 21:19:15 * Chox haz another! Jul 31 21:19:59 so, 24V != 5V Jul 31 21:21:58 * Chox also gets segfault Jul 31 21:23:29 so fso looks very damn promising Jul 31 21:23:33 it keeps going to sleep on me Jul 31 21:23:38 out of nowhere Jul 31 21:23:42 but it looks good Jul 31 21:23:46 and feels fast Jul 31 21:23:53 tkep: It's a reminder that YOU have to go to sleep soon.. :D Jul 31 21:23:56 more responsive than the om2007 Jul 31 21:24:01 Bubbi, i should :) Jul 31 21:24:03 zoom. Jul 31 21:24:06  24V = 5V like Capacitor = Firecracker Jul 31 21:24:19 Chox, not a fan? Jul 31 21:24:22 lol Jul 31 21:24:29 mjr: Did you hear back from the guys of Cryptophone? Jul 31 21:24:47 railer: yes, funny thing is, it was on the CF card which is burned - has a black spot on both sides. Jul 31 21:24:56 that sits over the CPU, so that might be toast. Jul 31 21:25:17 why is that a "funny" thing? Jul 31 21:25:32 just is. Jul 31 21:25:40 Kensan, not so far Jul 31 21:25:40 in a hurbristic way. Jul 31 21:25:50 so does mofi work? Jul 31 21:26:06 mjr: ok, too bad. Jul 31 21:27:06 did it at least give that burnt CPU smell? Jul 31 21:27:21 no, only the CF card Jul 31 21:27:32 heatsinktastic Jul 31 21:28:24 sweet Jul 31 21:28:29 updated to fso milestone 2 Jul 31 21:28:38 thanks for all your help guys! :) Jul 31 21:29:25 tkep, worked for me Jul 31 21:29:34 trying it now in the FSO Jul 31 21:29:38 dunno how well that will work Jul 31 21:29:46 probably can't pull the keyboard Jul 31 21:29:46 though i did it on 2007.2 Jul 31 21:30:01 fos milestone 2?any good? Jul 31 21:30:10 df -h Jul 31 21:30:21 wrong window ;P Jul 31 21:30:25 railer, it's definitely on the right track Jul 31 21:30:38 still just as buggy as all of them that i've tried Jul 31 21:30:38 i just flashed the kernel image i took with dd and it seems to work Jul 31 21:30:42 pun not intended? Jul 31 21:30:47 whats the best way to build c++ apps for the openmoko? Jul 31 21:30:52 railer, track, ho ho. Jul 31 21:31:01 but it's on its way to being a good os Jul 31 21:31:08 ha, no, unintended Jul 31 21:31:55 ok is it a flash would you mind pointing me to the bin/jffs2 files? Jul 31 21:33:48 Chox: how can we get rid of the segfaults? Jul 31 21:34:34 Chox: is it faulting when trying to download alsa-conf? or is it at random? Jul 31 21:35:39 seems to be just alsa, configuring it. i.e. opkg install bash works Jul 31 21:35:58 something borked in the alsa package. Jul 31 21:37:04 where is the code repo for FSO? Jul 31 21:37:25 there is no one here with a working keyboard on the curretn asu ? Jul 31 21:37:42 agh how is anyone supposed to find the source for any of this crap Jul 31 21:37:44 Chox: but if you download it alone it works Jul 31 21:37:48 FSO keyboard looks good ;-) Jul 31 21:38:08 tkep: Here, on a 2007.02, it "works".. I had to reboot the neo (is there actually a nifty command to do that, instead of holding down that damn power button..?). when I activated Mofi, it was veeeery slow to start up, don't know if it's because it scans for wireless networks before it actually gets into the GUI.. but I can see a single network here, it says it uses WPA. I can't connect to it, as I have no access key to it Jul 31 21:38:18 nope it doesn't :p Jul 31 21:38:22 Bubbi: reboot Jul 31 21:38:40 Bubbi, it works :) Jul 31 21:38:41 tkep: But tomorrow, when I get to work, i'll try it on a network that I've got access to.. Jul 31 21:38:44 mmaestri: :( Jul 31 21:38:47 trying to get on red hat's wifi right now Jul 31 21:38:51 damn long wep key Jul 31 21:39:08 you were lucky. Almost forgot my daily RH rant. Jul 31 21:39:13 Chox: Ehm.. you just type reboot in the terminal..? :D Jul 31 21:39:24 Bubbi: yep Jul 31 21:39:26 (and it works through SSH too..?) Jul 31 21:39:31 yes, why not? Jul 31 21:39:33 haha Jul 31 21:39:44 the company that contributes the lion's share to the kernel Jul 31 21:39:46 just log out quick, or your ssh will hang for a bit Jul 31 21:39:52 i can go on my daily pro red hat rant too :) Jul 31 21:39:55 I'm still learning Linux.. So I've got no clue to what can and cannot be done.. :) Jul 31 21:40:04 ctrl-D, incidentally Jul 31 21:40:12 how can we do a opkg upgrade without include alsa-conf-base? Jul 31 21:40:27 mmaestri: I'm not an opkg master, but I'll find out :-) Jul 31 21:40:29 mmaestri, are you having the same seg fault as me? Jul 31 21:40:43 with alsa-conf-base Jul 31 21:40:57 tkep: ^^^^^^^ Jul 31 21:41:19 opkg flag alsa-conf-base=hold Jul 31 21:41:33 hm, no. Jul 31 21:41:43 is opkg like apt-get ? Jul 31 21:41:48 similar Jul 31 21:41:58 sorry i dont have my phone yet Jul 31 21:42:05 i was wondering Jul 31 21:42:06 :P Jul 31 21:42:14 no worries Jul 31 21:42:17 glad to see it's not out of stock anymore Jul 31 21:42:20 opkg flag hold alsa-conf-base Jul 31 21:42:24 richiefrich: a bit. Jul 31 21:42:27 tkep: like ipkg ? Jul 31 21:42:38 for my openwrt routr! Jul 31 21:42:42 tkep: is it in stock Jul 31 21:42:47 Wo0T Jul 31 21:42:49 according to the topic Jul 31 21:42:57 Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates Jul 31 21:42:57 mmaestri: oh dear, other stuff segfaults too Jul 31 21:43:21 Chox: damn it Jul 31 21:43:23 tkep: if its in stock i dont see it http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Jul 31 21:43:24 aye Jul 31 21:44:02 beh i'm still haveing problems connecting to my wifi, on fso-m2 wpa_supplicant output looks better but it still have problem connection to hidden ssid Jul 31 21:44:04 Neo FreeRunner is currently SOLD OUT. Jul 31 21:44:21 hm, wait. Jul 31 21:44:30 might be the scardeycat stuff Jul 31 21:44:39 richiefrich: as tkep said.. at some resellers, it's available Jul 31 21:44:54 not on openmoko.com yet Jul 31 21:44:56 it ends with something like this: 0: 00:1f:6d:b8:19:50 ssid='' wpa_ie_len=26 rsn_ie_len=0 caps=0x11 skip - SSID mismatch where that mac is correct ap mac Jul 31 21:45:00 Bubbi: ahh Jul 31 21:45:20 hm, guess not Jul 31 21:45:23 I wonder how many freerunners have been sold as of yet.. Anybody know of some statistics..? :) Jul 31 21:45:25 * Chox gives up for now. Jul 31 21:45:30 Chox: i've already removed scaredycat repos Jul 31 21:45:36 and it happens anyway Jul 31 21:45:44 anyone know how the dialer dynamically resizes text to fit like that? i'm trying to write an app in python/gtk to do the same thing. i'm new to python and gtk Jul 31 21:45:59 Bubbi: well i cant find it :| and if i knew 360 euros will be 360 USD then i would get it Jul 31 21:46:09 but i know it isnt Jul 31 21:46:28 richiefrich: heh, no it definitely isn't the same.. :D Jul 31 21:46:29 some on ebay :p Jul 31 21:46:39 richiefrich: Koolu.com has some in stock. Jul 31 21:47:00 bricode: i dont want a W.E. one Jul 31 21:47:12 richiefrich: Currently it's the stock Openmoko. Jul 31 21:47:22 bricode: i dont see that Jul 31 21:47:23 bricode: does it have the cap fix on it yet? :) Jul 31 21:47:46 hm, a few neos being flogged on ebay Jul 31 21:47:49 only $400! Jul 31 21:47:55 those pictures are just Enhanced by Adobe Photoshop Software(tm) Jul 31 21:47:56 kelvie: at the moment, no, but the sw fix seems to be working. Jul 31 21:48:05 richiefrich: shop.koolu.com Jul 31 21:48:07 mm.. there's mixed reports ont he mailing lists Jul 31 21:48:11 bricode: show me where it says it isnt a W.E> Jul 31 21:48:32 ah Jul 31 21:48:42 richiefrich: Trust me, I work for Koolu. Currently it's a stock FR. Jul 31 21:48:44 Well. I'm off to bed now.. Happy Hacking everybody :) Jul 31 21:48:55 bricode: oh ok Jul 31 21:49:45 bricode: ty i see both Jul 31 21:49:46 richiefrich: We continue to work on branding. The WE Phone will have Android once it's available to avoid confusion with the Freerunner. Jul 31 21:49:53 This version of the phone will take 6-8 weeks to ship. Jul 31 21:49:53 ? Jul 31 21:50:09 bricode: i cant over night it Jul 31 21:50:14 how long time does it take to unpack the qtopia rootfs on the freerunner? :P Jul 31 21:50:27 richiefrich: 850's in stock, 900's in transit. Jul 31 21:50:53 pfft, no Android. no pasny no OSS software for me :p Jul 31 21:50:53 bricode: i live in usa so i need 1900 they both do that Jul 31 21:51:03 bricode: so it doesnt matter to me :P Jul 31 21:51:12 spydon: maybe 3 minutes? ;p Jul 31 21:51:17 http://cgi.ebay.com/Open-Moko-Neo-Freerunner-Linux-Phone_W0QQitemZ180270894847QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 31 21:51:24 Freerunner in US Jul 31 21:51:26 richiefrich: you'll get much better reception if your carrier supports 850 and you get the 850 version Jul 31 21:51:33 torindel, hehe now its ready :P Jul 31 21:51:42 kelvie: my carrier does 1900 Jul 31 21:51:47 only? Jul 31 21:51:51 kelvie: yeah Jul 31 21:51:57 ouch Jul 31 21:51:59 bricode: i thought i read somewhere that android couldn't run on the fr's soc? Jul 31 21:52:00 USA - tmobile - 1900 Jul 31 21:52:14 AntonTakk: not yet. I'm sure it will in time. still smells. Jul 31 21:52:22 bricode: android cannot run on armv4t Jul 31 21:52:32 AntonTakk: Not currently. The only release Android binaries are compiled for Armv5TE. Jul 31 21:52:35 yeah ^^ that Jul 31 21:52:35 well, existing binaries cannot. Jul 31 21:52:44 ah Jul 31 21:53:01 Chox: right Jul 31 21:53:03 mmaestri: True, but a recompile will fix that. Jul 31 21:53:18 bricode: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml T-mobile Jul 31 21:53:18 heh Jul 31 21:53:19 get the source. Oh wiat, it Jul 31 21:53:22 bricode: GSM 1900 Jul 31 21:53:23 bricode: if you have all the stack sources Jul 31 21:53:23 oh wait, it's not OSS ;-) Jul 31 21:53:25 good luck getting the source :) Jul 31 21:53:47 bricode: all USA GSM is 1900 Jul 31 21:54:03 or 850 Jul 31 21:54:12 richiefrich: If you get the 850, you can also do roaming on AT&T. Jul 31 21:54:28 eww AT&T Jul 31 21:54:30 richiefrich: True, but you can get better reception in places with the 850 frequency. Jul 31 21:54:30 lol Jul 31 21:55:08 mmaestri: That's true. Jul 31 21:55:16 Go go gadget OSS phone! Jul 31 21:55:45 Chox: Is the Apache webserver oss? How about FreeBSD? Jul 31 21:56:02 are you trying to troll me with an OSS debate? Jul 31 21:56:17 Chox: Just seeing if you're awake ;) Jul 31 21:56:22 very good. Jul 31 21:56:23 bricode: if your shipping none W.E. phones i dont see why they say W.E. on the checkout Jul 31 21:56:43 Yes, Apache is OSS, by my er, Debianifition. Jul 31 21:56:54 richiefrich: you're :p Jul 31 21:57:06 richiefrich: True. Point taken. Jul 31 21:57:13 bricode: should be changed Jul 31 21:57:14 :P Jul 31 21:57:20 ppl like me wont buy it Jul 31 21:57:32 imho - open source - i can get source and muck with it :) Jul 31 21:57:34 unless your in canada Jul 31 21:57:41 richiefrich: you're! Jul 31 21:57:51 * Chox grumbles. Jul 31 21:58:06 Chox: i said it once Jul 31 21:58:06 at least you guys get to choose in the States Jul 31 21:58:15 we have *one* gsm carrier up here in canuckistan Jul 31 21:58:22 Chox: and you said it twice ! Jul 31 21:59:11 kelvie: true Jul 31 21:59:24 kelvie: but still it is advertised wrong Jul 31 21:59:40 richiefrich: what is? Jul 31 21:59:47 what's the carrier called in canadia Jul 31 21:59:53 Rogers! Jul 31 21:59:56 kelvie: not quite - Fido is still operated as a somewhat-independent business (different plans, different phones, etc.), even though it's now owned by Rogers Jul 31 21:59:57 Is there a windows driver for the freerunner so you can use usb ethernet? Jul 31 22:00:04 ah, right. heard of them before Jul 31 22:00:08 Dave: oh dear me. see the wiki. Jul 31 22:00:14 kelvie: bricode said that the store is selling none W.E. phones but it says http://shop.koolu.com/ Jul 31 22:00:24 kelvie: W.E. on all of the models Jul 31 22:00:26 richiefrich: oh... did it sound like I was arguing that? Jul 31 22:00:32 no Jul 31 22:00:35 Dave: yes, but i'm not sure where to get it - some kind of rndis sriver Jul 31 22:00:51 * Chox grumbles Jul 31 22:00:54 there is also www.icewireless.ca, but they have a limited coverage area Jul 31 22:00:55 Dave: if you let it connect to the net it may be able to grab it Jul 31 22:01:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Windows Jul 31 22:01:09 mmontour: didn't know about that.. I do know I don't count Fido, though :) Jul 31 22:01:20 unless you're one of those lucky people that have an old Fido plan Jul 31 22:01:57 hrm Jul 31 22:02:05 anton, maybe? Jul 31 22:02:06 home time Jul 31 22:02:09 see you guys later Jul 31 22:02:12 DOesn't windows usually fail at that? Jul 31 22:02:17 eternal sonata and beer and wife to get to Jul 31 22:02:21 should be a good night Jul 31 22:02:28 Dave it works for me Jul 31 22:02:44 (expt when i reboot the freerunner when still plugged in) Jul 31 22:02:52 hmm, after four hours of playing with freerunner i'm quite impressed :) Jul 31 22:03:14 lindi-: just wait for 4 days, then see what you think :o Jul 31 22:03:40 Chox: only things that probably need improving is the on-screen keyboard and probably power management features Jul 31 22:03:48 * mmaestri agree with Chox Jul 31 22:04:04 Chox: could fullscreen transparent overlayed qwerty keyboard be usable? Jul 31 22:04:11 perhaps. Jul 31 22:04:13 in landscape Jul 31 22:04:25 wait for glamo driver improvements Jul 31 22:04:35 Chox: how does it help with that? Jul 31 22:04:50 alpha transparency, etc. I'm not the exact person to ask. Jul 31 22:04:50 i thought glamo was the graphics chip? Jul 31 22:04:54 ah Jul 31 22:05:21 Chox: of course the third issue is that i don't know what stack i should use :) Jul 31 22:05:40 Chox: if i use 2007.2 and report bugs will those bugs get fixed or is the development now somewhere else? Jul 31 22:05:44 I didn't have a boot folder on the first partition of the microSd when I were going to transfer the kernel for qtopia, shall I create that folder or have I missed some instructions? Jul 31 22:05:58 don't know. Jul 31 22:06:14 much development is not in FSO Jul 31 22:06:17 now in Jul 31 22:06:39 spydon: I think the wiki is still not clear. With recent u-boot, you don't need extra partition. Jul 31 22:07:20 right, but It told me to do two partitions and remove all boot files from the second :P Jul 31 22:07:27 it's wrong :o Jul 31 22:07:47 well, not wrong, but that way is more awkward Jul 31 22:07:52 and not required. Jul 31 22:08:02 but it doesn't work anyways :P Jul 31 22:08:06 spydon: just make sure that the actual path to the kernel image is the same as what is specified in the u-boot "fatload" or "ext2load" command. Jul 31 22:08:08 hrm Jul 31 22:08:13 it will, but you'd have to massage uboot params Jul 31 22:08:29 which you probably have to do in any case Jul 31 22:08:31 Zorkman, so you're saying that just by using windows' automatic Search the Internet driver thingy it worked? :o Jul 31 22:08:33 Chox: ok Jul 31 22:08:46 and with it installed you are able to use internet on the phone? Jul 31 22:08:56 mmontour, how do I check and change that? Jul 31 22:08:58 Dave: Debian install CD :p Jul 31 22:09:07 Chox, dude, it's not for me :P Jul 31 22:09:14 yeah, I know :P Jul 31 22:09:17 ok, fine. Ubuntu. Jul 31 22:09:24 haha fuck that, deb all the way, baby! Jul 31 22:09:30 no, with the driver from the wiki Jul 31 22:09:35 I'll have no woman distros on my systems, thank you very much :) Jul 31 22:09:40 Zorkman, AH! Jul 31 22:09:41 Okay :) Jul 31 22:09:43 what's Windows then :o Jul 31 22:09:45 :P Jul 31 22:09:49 you said it was for someone else. Jul 31 22:10:25 Debian = man, Ubuntu = Woman, Mac OS X = gay, Windows = ?, Jul 31 22:11:15 spydon: Look at the "how it works" section of the "Booting from SD" page, and also the "Bootloader" and "Bootloader_environment" wiki pages. The necessary information is on the wiki, although it's mixed in with a lot of cruft. Jul 31 22:11:28 * Chox will rewrite one day Jul 31 22:11:33 mmontour, thx Jul 31 22:11:42 debian = woman + man of course (Deb and Ian) Jul 31 22:11:48 although there's been some improvements. Jul 31 22:12:12 actually, Debian is really Ian + Ian Jul 31 22:16:07 hello Jul 31 22:16:21 llo Jul 31 22:18:58 i have a small question : I would like to install the ASU software, there is a daily version on the 20080722. there is the rootfs.jffs2 so that s for the rootfs... but for the kernel, what do I use ? the image one ? even if it s a jffs2 file ? (on the 2007 version, the lernel one is a bin file..) Jul 31 22:20:28 feydreva: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 31 22:21:00 hum ok, I thought the uImage had to match the rootfs.... Jul 31 22:21:30 so I can use the kernel from today ? and the rootfs ASU from last week ? Jul 31 22:21:37 jup Jul 31 22:21:42 ok cool :) Jul 31 22:21:46 woo Jul 31 22:22:49 jippie Jul 31 22:23:00 got the keys back on my asu Jul 31 22:23:58 does the ringtones works on the ASU ? it s disturbing to have a phone that doesn't ring when someone calls you... Jul 31 22:24:52 mine makes a sound when someone calls Jul 31 22:24:58 ok :) Jul 31 22:25:24 peter-b: does it have the same sound as if you had your phone next to a speaker? Jul 31 22:25:35 how should my ext2load command look if I have the uImage in the first partition in /media/card ? Jul 31 22:25:36 O.o ? Jul 31 22:25:37 I have the 2007softwareon mine now,and it doesn;t ring Jul 31 22:27:47 what is wrong with "ext2load mmc 1:1 0x32000000 /media/card/boot" ? Jul 31 22:29:46 spydon: the path is relative to the root of the filesystem on the SD card (i.e. you probably don't have a "/media/card" directory on the card itself) Jul 31 22:30:06 mmaestri, so like /dev/mmc something ? Jul 31 22:30:14 mmontour* Jul 31 22:30:26 bricode: dont rember the sound atm :-( Jul 31 22:30:40 but it made some kind of noise :-) Jul 31 22:30:45 Chox: it seems that opkg is segfaulting only on upgradable packages Jul 31 22:31:09 root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | awk -F' ' '{ print $1 }' > /home/root/test root@om-gta02:~# opkg install $( cat /home/root/test ) Jul 31 22:31:13 If you copied the kernel to "/media/card/boot/uImage.bin" when you had the SD cad mounted at /media/card, then you would use "/boot/uImage.bin" as the path in the u-boot variable Jul 31 22:31:22 s/cad/card Jul 31 22:33:16 mmontour, aaah ofcourse, thx, but I still get bad partition... Jul 31 22:33:18 Chox: if you remove alsa-base-conf, it screams with busybox; if you remove it, then it screams with gdk-pixbuf-loader-gif Jul 31 22:34:20 peter-b: it's a rather harsh imitation of an old analog telephone ringing Jul 31 22:35:58 spydon: sorry, I don't currently have time to help with troubleshooting Jul 31 22:36:14 mmontour, okay, thx for your help anyways :) Jul 31 22:37:54 what is the difference between : Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ??? Jul 31 22:37:56 AntonTakk: yeah, something like that Jul 31 22:40:22 mmeas: aye. it's borked. Jul 31 22:40:50 need to find underlying breakage. perhaps in opkg itself Jul 31 22:41:32 feydreva: probably none if its from same daily dir Jul 31 22:41:40 ok Jul 31 22:42:43 feydreva: i'm guessing the latter is a simlink to the former Jul 31 22:43:30 ok... so no need to download both :) I m flashing one of them... we will see :) Jul 31 22:44:31 even opkg -test upgrade crashes Jul 31 22:46:29 Chox: yep. Jul 31 22:47:22 Chox: opkg install opkg says that it's up to date Jul 31 22:47:31 aye Jul 31 22:47:45 downgrade :p Jul 31 22:47:58 which version...? Jul 31 22:48:45 anything :p Jul 31 22:48:51 one from 2007.2, perhaps Jul 31 22:53:56 Chox: have you already chosen one? Jul 31 22:54:00 nope Jul 31 22:54:02 * Chox is working :p Jul 31 22:54:23 cannot find it. Jul 31 22:56:27 lol recalibrat wasnt too stable on qtopia :P, does any one know how I reset it so I can use the screen again? Jul 31 22:56:51 s/recalibrat/recalibrate Jul 31 22:57:29 ssh into it and call... Jul 31 22:58:04 [2008-07-31 09:21:09] source /opt/Qtopia/qpe.env Jul 31 22:58:05 [2008-07-31 09:21:26] qcop 'QPE/Application/calibrate' 'raise()' Jul 31 22:58:05 [2008-07-31 09:21:33] recalibrate it Jul 31 22:58:16 Let's attribute it to the right person ;) Jul 31 22:58:32 lei! Jul 31 22:58:46 * leinir curtsies "Chox" :) Jul 31 22:58:55 leinir: why is my FSO opkg bust? Jul 31 22:59:01 NO idea :) Jul 31 22:59:04 Don't use it ;) Jul 31 22:59:05 aw. Jul 31 22:59:12 qtopia whore. Jul 31 22:59:21 neod seems to constantly read event3 (accelometer) -- any idea how to stop this to save power? Jul 31 23:01:11 we're f*cked Jul 31 23:01:19 end of the world. Jul 31 23:01:24 yep Jul 31 23:02:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1a97e68a8bfc 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): refactor controller. create subsystem object. Warning: Further refactoring ahead. Might be unstable for a couple of days. Jul 31 23:02:50 mickey: thats what branches are for Jul 31 23:03:03 lindi: remind me again and I'll patch it out on weekend Jul 31 23:03:33 oh you're actually in the channel. now im embarassed. i thought you'd never read my snarky comment. Jul 31 23:03:36 hahaha Jul 31 23:03:39 * Chox laffs. Jul 31 23:03:40 don't worry Jul 31 23:03:42 in theory you're right Jul 31 23:03:49 in practice i have tagged the stable version Jul 31 23:03:51 mickey|tv: what's wrong with my opkg then? Jul 31 23:04:00 * Chox abuses mickey Jul 31 23:04:01 mickey|tv: ok cool ): Jul 31 23:04:01 mickey...help... Jul 31 23:04:03 :) Jul 31 23:04:20 no idea about opkg, sorry. ask on the opkg-devel mailing list, the expoerts are there Jul 31 23:04:20 mickey|tv: just curious, how are you planning to fix it? Jul 31 23:04:42 lindi-: i will make it detect gta02 and not open the accels there Jul 31 23:04:45 muh. Jul 31 23:05:06 mickey|tv: ah, accels are somehow problematic there? Jul 31 23:05:23 yes Jul 31 23:05:28 too much traffic Jul 31 23:05:33 very powerhungry Jul 31 23:05:38 so it seems Jul 31 23:05:39 hi guys. do you think I have the SIM card issue? I get "Dialer Error: No Network" whenever I try to use the dialer.. Jul 31 23:06:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards # no one here (except me!) has reported this error msg. Jul 31 23:07:05 you should try libgsmd-util to find out Jul 31 23:07:38 mickey|tv: quick question - fso ms2 seems to ocationally take ages to register with the cell network, any advice where I should begin to trouble shoot? Jul 31 23:08:18 * tdobson punches usb networking Jul 31 23:09:01 * Chox puches it too Jul 31 23:09:03 punches Jul 31 23:09:12 * Chox will answer for USB networking abuse Jul 31 23:09:24 heh.. Jul 31 23:09:54 tdobson, I have a 3g sim card and it works fine... Jul 31 23:10:13 * mmaestri is cursing about opkg, and all that sh*t Jul 31 23:10:21 AntonTakk: i will release a new frameworkd in the next couple of days where we can switch debug output to a file @ runtime. then you can give me lowlevel logs Jul 31 23:10:43 mickey|tv: cool, thanks :) Jul 31 23:10:47 mickey|tv: which repos should we add to FSO? Jul 31 23:10:59 i mean, as "official repos" Jul 31 23:11:39 well, in theory you can add the daily build. but if you just want fso upgrades, i'm going to provide a feed configuration as well that points to the location where i will publish the updates Jul 31 23:11:53 it's not going to be daily builds or so, just some updated packages in between milestones Jul 31 23:11:57 ok, bed time Jul 31 23:11:58 cu guys Jul 31 23:12:01 layer Jul 31 23:12:20 goin home, see you guys Jul 31 23:12:29 mickey|zzZZzz: please do Jul 31 23:14:08 spydon: I don't think mine is 3g... Jul 31 23:14:59 Are there any known plans for making a 3G enabled version of the Freerunner? Jul 31 23:15:02 my prvious phone wasn't 3g and I don't remember a big hooha about it.. I assume it's not 3g but I don't know Jul 31 23:15:27 Flinx: just buy separate 3g dongle :) Jul 31 23:15:51 lindi-: You can do that >.> Jul 31 23:15:52 Flinx, unless you mean "yeah probably maybe at some point" plans, no Jul 31 23:16:16 Flinx: only drawback is that you have to move SIM around and it takes bit more space Jul 31 23:17:25 someone talk me into buying a FreeRunner Jul 31 23:17:35 Don't. Jul 31 23:17:39 It's not ready yet. Jul 31 23:17:40 or, better yet, someone who's tried to set up QEMU tell me how hard it is Jul 31 23:17:42 hmm. that's strange. "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd " seems to give no result at all.... just angs... Jul 31 23:17:44 I'd say that if you need convincing, yeah, see SpeedEvil Jul 31 23:17:46 that's why I want to buy it Jul 31 23:17:51 * CaptObviousman wants to code on it Jul 31 23:17:54 CaptObviousman: get one Jul 31 23:18:03 I got mine today Jul 31 23:18:07 CaptObviousman: you too can have a phone that doesnt make calls or runs for longer than 8 hours on a charge Jul 31 23:18:21 look, I've already got a cell phone for full time use. This would be to tinker Jul 31 23:18:21 so I have a wealth of knowledge and experience to talk you into it Jul 31 23:18:33 CaptObviousman, ok, then buy it Jul 31 23:18:40 but development is happening reallyt fast and it's a great community that is really inclusive Jul 31 23:19:01 how many of you are actual developers and not enthusiasts? Jul 31 23:19:08 since its now a python-powered phone, software development seems to be much improved Jul 31 23:19:39 damn, I don't know python, but I've been looking for a reason to learn Jul 31 23:19:46 CaptObviousman: The devs don't talk so much but they're definitely around and reachable Jul 31 23:20:00 hehe Jul 31 23:20:10 I don't suppose there's a devel roadmap floating around the wiki Jul 31 23:20:18 Has anyone bought one of the We Phones from Koolu? Jul 31 23:20:19 * Chox is a developer, and part time trouble maker. Jul 31 23:20:29 no FR dev yet though. Jul 31 23:20:47 Flinx: I did Jul 31 23:20:56 How do you like it? Jul 31 23:21:03 FR means what? Jul 31 23:21:07 Cause they apparently have some in Stock Jul 31 23:21:09 FreeRunner Jul 31 23:21:10 FreeeeRunnnnnerrrr Jul 31 23:21:24 and I'm not sure I can wait for the OpenMoko Store to have FR's availible :p Jul 31 23:21:26 CaptObviousman: There's no definite roadmap as there are 5 distributions available already - the most "official" one would be the FSO timeline Jul 31 23:21:27 isn't that obvious ? ;p Jul 31 23:21:35 Flinx: It's the same freerunner you get from the webstore, same software, hardware box etc. Koolu is just a distributor (at the moment at least) Jul 31 23:21:42 oh, duh Jul 31 23:21:44 Her... Jul 31 23:21:44 * CaptObviousman facepalms Jul 31 23:21:55 * donomo golfclaps Jul 31 23:21:55 FSO at least has a road map and cohernecy, if least complete right now Jul 31 23:22:01 * Chox footkicks Jul 31 23:22:01 Koolus site says that it comes with Google Aps on it >.> Jul 31 23:22:27 mind you I knew that it was the same hardware... but they gave the impression that there were other colours too. Jul 31 23:22:29 Flinx: You want to read the fine print on the site Jul 31 23:22:34 harumm. What are the alternatives to FSO? Jul 31 23:22:51 ASU, GTK, Debian Jul 31 23:22:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 31 23:23:04 * CaptObviousman loves tdobson Jul 31 23:23:05 or build it your self (BIYS) Jul 31 23:23:23 * tdobson loves the wiki Jul 31 23:23:24 or ARMedSlack Jul 31 23:23:24 I could be the coolest kid on the block and get slackware running on it Jul 31 23:23:33 or gentoo Jul 31 23:23:35 flinx: I found their site a bit deceiving but I figured ordering from them was better than giving money to UPS Jul 31 23:23:37 CaptObviousman: snap. And probably not hard. Jul 31 23:23:39 Meh... Jul 31 23:23:45 and yeah Jul 31 23:23:53 I was going to re-flash it anyways ;) Jul 31 23:24:07 well after I got done it wouldn't be very similiar to slackware Jul 31 23:24:10 * tdobson doesn't run gentoo but knows there has been remarkable work with handheld dev work & gentoo... for reasons he stilld oesn not understand Jul 31 23:24:11 you want to find MoZes on IRC, and tell him. And say I sent you :p Jul 31 23:24:13 busybox, ulibc Jul 31 23:24:18 just cause i saw a bunch of skathing reviews about the keyboard. Jul 31 23:24:26 MoZes is the ARM Slackware guy Jul 31 23:24:34 and I figured that by the time I got one, the software would be improved. Jul 31 23:24:37 before I get started though, I gotta talk to this stephen fellow that lives near me and see what it looks like Jul 31 23:24:44 the website has pictures of _a_ GUI doing something Jul 31 23:24:49 Flinx: yeah thats like walking up to the first electric car and complaining about the steeringwheel Jul 31 23:24:49 what distro is that? Jul 31 23:24:54 or are those just mockups? Jul 31 23:25:07 *chuckles* Jul 31 23:25:23 * Chox walks up to Sion and complains about the lack of a daskboard Jul 31 23:25:24 Yeah reading blogs has been interesting. Jul 31 23:25:37 lots of people see only a few demo videos and make an opinion. Jul 31 23:25:47 CaptObviousman: the default[factory installed]. openmoko 2007 ( I think) Jul 31 23:26:38 *puts in his order* Jul 31 23:27:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r74baa950414f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: Jul 31 23:27:12 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Correct UBX packet definition and improve parsing code Jul 31 23:27:12 freesmartphone.org: Use repr() when logging raw data (emdete) Jul 31 23:27:13 I think starting yet another distro would probably cause that guy from the other day to explode Jul 31 23:28:23 CaptObviousman: There's FSO, 2007.2, ASU, Qtopia and underground if you want neo-specific stuff. Of course general-purpose ones like Debian work also but no real point. Jul 31 23:28:47 is the Info about FSO on the wiki? Jul 31 23:29:01 What "info" in particular? Jul 31 23:29:47 dare I ask for a comparison between the distros? Jul 31 23:29:50 * CaptObviousman does a lot of reading Jul 31 23:30:06 the page tdobson linked earlier has the details out side by side for easy comparison Jul 31 23:30:27 abraxa_: you forgot about SHR unless that's what you're calling underground Jul 31 23:30:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Jul 31 23:30:34 * tdobson pastes again Jul 31 23:30:44 pjz: Indeed I forgot. And I forgot that underground got renamed to pyneo, too. Jul 31 23:31:20 abraxa_: pyneo/underground isn't on that page, is it? Jul 31 23:31:27 @.@ Jul 31 23:31:30 how did I miss that page... Jul 31 23:31:49 abraxa_: you should add it; a single place that points to all the distros is useful Jul 31 23:32:19 pjz: I will when the new release is out. No point having people ask for stuff that is no longer up-to-date :) Jul 31 23:32:36 abraxa_: bah, release early, release often Jul 31 23:32:59 There are reasons as to why that doesn't work sometimes, I'm afraid Jul 31 23:33:05 nah Jul 31 23:33:17 actaully, the reverse Jul 31 23:33:23 it always fails, which is why it always works Jul 31 23:33:59 people expect failure, so they're pleasantly surprised when it works Jul 31 23:34:20 exactly Jul 31 23:34:37 plus the expect failure, so it's impossible to fail, ergo you must always succeed Jul 31 23:34:45 I did the same thing with my parents, worked like a charm Jul 31 23:34:55 lol Jul 31 23:35:05 I tried that, and didn't succeed ;) Jul 31 23:35:52 oh, people will always complain Jul 31 23:36:57 but they can't complain you didn't give them the chance to contribute Jul 31 23:37:11 I plan on contributing ;) Jul 31 23:37:29 I just need to complain that I don't have my FR yet ;) Jul 31 23:38:01 supposedly you can set up a fake FR Jul 31 23:38:03 with QEMU Jul 31 23:38:11 * CaptObviousman gets to try that this weekend Jul 31 23:38:24 I was going too, but as usual, the wiki instructions are full of moose Jul 31 23:38:39 it's overwhelming, even for a very experienced dev like myself Jul 31 23:38:40 heh Jul 31 23:38:43 people are too busy getting shit done to write everything down in the wiki Jul 31 23:38:53 CaptObviousman: you and I can try it together!!! Jul 31 23:38:56 CaptObviousman: actually, it's the opposite Jul 31 23:39:02 the wiki is _full_ of shit! Jul 31 23:39:03 but I AFK now Jul 31 23:39:16 all the info is there, and some of it's actually good, but it's hopeless. Jul 31 23:39:26 anyway. Jul 31 23:39:44 CaptObviousman: Personally, I think the qemu approach is pointless. It's too slow and cumbersome to actually get anything done. Jul 31 23:40:10 Iunno about that. It would be useful for developing userland applications Jul 31 23:40:17 which is what I'm thinking I'll do with it Jul 31 23:40:48 If you start qemu you'll see what I mean Jul 31 23:41:10 a QEMU chroot should be pretty speedy, and sufficient for most things Jul 31 23:41:21 then you don't have to emulate the whole machine Jul 31 23:41:32 What's a qemu chroot? Jul 31 23:42:10 well, in short, unpack your 2007.2 tgz on your x86 boot, and chroot into it :o there's some magic you use to tell qemu to run the armel binaries. Jul 31 23:43:03 I still don't see the point because it's so slow but okay, if it works for some then all the better Jul 31 23:43:17 it can be pretty speedy Jul 31 23:43:26 certainly as fast as a real machine Jul 31 23:43:37 On what CPU? Jul 31 23:43:43 depends how fast your x86 is of course. Jul 31 23:43:53 I don't have any guidelines, it's been some time since I did it. Jul 31 23:44:09 Hm ok Jul 31 23:44:37 but for example scratchbox is a wrapper around this kind of thing. Jul 31 23:45:15 * Chox can wiki this, if it's not clear on the qemu page. Jul 31 23:47:42 Chox: if you did so I would be very grateful Jul 31 23:47:50 this Sunday I'ma go at it Jul 31 23:48:06 if I did, it wouldn't be for a week or two. Jul 31 23:52:36 well, that's fine. I'm still going to play, but I don't expect I'll get it running in a single day Aug 01 00:27:57 nah how can i edit the applications menu :/ Aug 01 00:30:21 Chox: are you there? Aug 01 00:31:21 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1695 Aug 01 00:31:27 literally: opkg r4562 segfaults like hell Aug 01 00:32:02 egads.! Aug 01 00:32:42 sooo... Aug 01 00:32:50 I had a question... >.> Aug 01 00:32:59 i've downloaded opkg sources from svn, revision 4564 Aug 01 00:33:00 it just ran away from me >. feel free not to explain it Aug 01 00:33:38 can't compile it yet Aug 01 00:33:40 mwahaha Aug 01 00:35:27 can anyone compile opkg r4564? Aug 01 00:35:38 it's not in repos yet Aug 01 00:36:10 uh.. Aug 01 00:36:18 I'd love to Aug 01 00:36:25 but my build environment isn't set up ;) Aug 01 00:36:59 now might be a great time to tackle it Aug 01 00:37:24 I am actually Aug 01 00:38:08 kd8ikt: do you have the toolchain working? Aug 01 00:38:32 i'm doing a whole mokomake dev-image so it might be awhile before it spits out opkg.ipk Aug 01 00:38:33 i'm having errors about libcurl and gpg when linking Aug 01 00:39:46 where can i d/l it Aug 01 00:40:04 http://svn.openmoko.org/? Aug 01 00:40:29 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/opkg/ Aug 01 00:41:21 how can i manage the application menu entries on the freerunner stable releasE? Aug 01 00:42:14 r4566? Aug 01 00:42:54 so i got an interesting idea for a phone feature last night... Aug 01 00:43:18 on t-mobile us, if i dial #646#, i get a cell broadcast message reply telling me how many minutes i've used (or, if prepaid, how many i have left) Aug 01 00:43:52 one could write an application that tracked how much were used/left and give warnings or a progress bar type deal Aug 01 00:44:05 kd8ikt: right Aug 01 00:45:20 copy that rogue leader Aug 01 00:45:55 .... I'm lost. Aug 01 00:46:00 just like shooting swaprats with my ti-83 Aug 01 00:46:26 what a moment to join! :D Aug 01 00:46:58 lol Aug 01 00:47:41 ... If wanted to just emulate the FR hardware and maybe play with app development where do I start >.> Aug 01 00:48:56 anyone tried GPRS on AT&T Gophone? Aug 01 00:51:39 kd8ikt: any trouble? Aug 01 00:51:46 did it worked? Aug 01 00:54:57 no Aug 01 00:55:08 when people run this command on their openmoko, what do they get normally? # "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" Aug 01 00:55:34 kd8ikt: any error? Aug 01 00:57:15 gimmie a sec to fix it Aug 01 01:00:18 0.o Aug 01 01:00:26 the Wiki page is being very unhelpful... Aug 01 01:01:06 I'm guessing, from what I'm reading, that qemu can run the FSO Image? Aug 01 01:02:00 NEVERMIND!... I found it.. Aug 01 01:02:12 so anyone using qtopia in here? Aug 01 01:02:33 ok i think i fixed it mmaestri Aug 01 01:02:40 great Aug 01 01:02:49 make is now running Aug 01 01:03:04 now onto the wtf it was erroring Aug 01 01:03:05 hope it ends :) Aug 01 01:03:21 let me guess: -lcurl Aug 01 01:03:40 your local dir /usr/local/openmoko/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/pkgconfig/ Aug 01 01:03:48 was missing the libcurl.pc Aug 01 01:03:50 file Aug 01 01:04:08 so it worked? Aug 01 01:04:25 personally i think that lil toolchain tarball is flawed Aug 01 01:04:34 nah it crapped on something else Aug 01 01:05:12 unreferenced functions? Aug 01 01:05:34 hrm... Aug 01 01:05:50 has anyone gotten the GTA02 emulation to work on XP? Aug 01 01:07:12 i'm considering flashing to FSO Aug 01 01:07:48 when the devs fix FSO bugs, do they get pushed out via opkg, or do i have to wait and flash periodically? Aug 01 01:10:52 mmaestri: you should prolly stick with mokomake and not use just that lil toolchain pkg Aug 01 01:11:06 it works for simple hello world and thats about it Aug 01 01:12:27 bear in mind i havent spent much time with the makefile i've just recenly gotten it all updates and on my second full image compile Aug 01 01:12:51 in fact i reinstalled ubuntu like 2 days ago to have a clean slate to work with Aug 01 01:13:48 took quite a lolt of pkgs to get an env that mokomake likes Aug 01 01:15:14 kd8ikt: that's what i was afraid of Aug 01 01:15:51 the toolchain worked a few times for me Aug 01 01:15:54 * kd8ikt stays away from the prebuilt toolchain Aug 01 01:16:14 see what happens when you tell mokomake to make openmoko-toolchian Aug 01 01:16:29 but i'll do the mokomakefile thing when i get home Aug 01 01:18:01 kd8ikt: so you got the ipk finally? Aug 01 01:23:40 no Aug 01 01:24:04 your messing with fso latest arent you? Aug 01 01:24:13 yeah :p Aug 01 01:24:29 just install what pkgs you need upgrade wont work Aug 01 01:24:42 or so that's what happened for me Aug 01 01:25:07 upgrade doesn't work because of segfault Aug 01 01:25:17 yeah i've seen it Aug 01 01:25:23 in r4562 Aug 01 01:25:40 that's why I asked you to compile r4566 Aug 01 01:26:15 according to the bugtracker, it was solved Aug 01 01:26:16 it'll take me a long time before my env is setup Aug 01 01:26:20 ok Aug 01 01:26:39 NOTE: package curl-sdk-7.18.0-r0: task do_compile: started Aug 01 01:26:56 i'm gonna eat right now Aug 01 01:27:14 thx for the advice, i'll try mokomakefile later Aug 01 01:27:40 anyway, i was hoping to get opkg working to make an upgrade Aug 01 01:27:59 see ya Aug 01 01:29:46 kay dee eight eye kay tee Aug 01 01:32:55 openmoko: 03mickey * r4567 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-battery.c): battery-applet: add libnotify support. closes ticket #1156 Aug 01 01:34:48 dave Aug 01 01:37:51 what progress has been made on the power management front? particularly in regards to cpu frequency scaling and suspend/resume Aug 01 01:37:52 ? Aug 01 01:38:04 None yet really. Aug 01 01:41:21 is there no existing kernel mod for cpufreq or the like for this ARM? Aug 01 01:41:48 No. Aug 01 01:41:56 cesarb is working on something apparantly. Aug 01 01:42:31 openmoko: 03mickey * r4568 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): libmokopanelui2: add dependency to gtk+-2.0. fixes ticket #1271 Aug 01 01:45:15 SpeedEvil: hi ;-) Aug 01 01:45:41 cesarb: you've finished the CPUfreq work, on GTA01-4? Aug 01 01:45:43 :) Aug 01 01:45:49 SpeedEvil: nope :( Aug 01 01:45:58 SpeedEvil: real life intruded and I stopped for more than a month Aug 01 01:46:03 Oh well. Aug 01 01:46:18 SpeedEvil: when I came back, the development environment I had been using had split in at least three branches Aug 01 01:46:24 Any prospect of anything happening in the future. Know how it is for life to get into teh way. Aug 01 01:46:25 SpeedEvil: none of them with a working keyboard Aug 01 01:46:43 :/ Aug 01 01:47:05 openmoko: 03mickey * r4569 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-standard-2[-qvga]: set fallback font size (if no settings daemon is used) Aug 01 01:47:34 SpeedEvil: and to top it, I had to switch branches a couple of times before finding out there's something broken with u-boot (doesn't boot within qemu), so I switched back to the famous "august snapshot" I still use on the device Aug 01 01:48:08 has anyone else noticed their moko interfering with their computer? Aug 01 01:48:21 SpeedEvil: more annoying: at least ASU suspends within qemu. How do I wake it up within qemu? Aug 01 01:48:36 cesarb: phone it? :) Aug 01 01:48:44 In other words, they changed *everything* and it takes time for me to adjust back... Aug 01 01:49:13 cesarb: can't you just get it wokring on the last version you had, then work on porting? Aug 01 01:49:19 i have noticed that when i have my moko on (device on, gsm on, other radios off) and near my computer... Aug 01 01:49:30 SpeedEvil: I nuked my old build environment :( Aug 01 01:49:34 :/ Aug 01 01:49:35 SpeedEvil: only have space for one at a time Aug 01 01:49:35 the moko will periodically make little buzzing sounds Aug 01 01:49:45 netx: not the devices? Aug 01 01:49:47 and when that happens, my desktop goes haywire Aug 01 01:50:01 netx: EMI problems from the GSM transmitter. Aug 01 01:50:08 netx: your grounding seems broken Aug 01 01:50:13 netx: do you have a proper case on your box? Aug 01 01:50:16 openmoko: 03mickey * r4570 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-standard-2[-qvga]: hint icon theme to use, if not using settings daemon Aug 01 01:50:25 proper case yes, but the cover is off Aug 01 01:50:34 put it back on Aug 01 01:50:51 so you are saying that EM from the gsm radio is messing with the computer? Aug 01 01:50:59 netx: yes Aug 01 01:51:10 not unheardof actually Aug 01 01:51:11 netx: much like it makes some peoples heads explode. Aug 01 01:51:14 um, negative on putting the case back on, for various rasons Aug 01 01:51:21 like mobile phones messing with Speakers Aug 01 01:51:51 well, fortunately it only does one weird thing Aug 01 01:51:54 netx: you know the reason computer cases are made of metal? Aug 01 01:52:03 yeah, i understand that Aug 01 01:52:14 netx: they are made of metal to protect the computer from outside interference (and the outside from computer interference) Aug 01 01:52:22 it's just that in all the years i have been running this computer (7 years) Aug 01 01:52:29 this is the first incidence of this happening Aug 01 01:52:41 and i have had the case off the whole time Aug 01 01:52:51 netx: have you had a GSM phone near it before? Aug 01 01:53:07 correct, i have not had any phone before Aug 01 01:53:28 the problem is, my computer, ahem, no longer fits inside the case... Aug 01 01:53:30 ;-) Aug 01 01:53:36 Bigger case. Aug 01 01:53:45 Or make a new one from chicken-wire. Aug 01 01:53:48 Lian Li V2000 Aug 01 01:53:58 they don't come much bigger, and i don't have room ;-) Aug 01 01:54:21 hmm, i could try a wire mesh Aug 01 01:54:35 or i could put the phone on the other side of the room Aug 01 01:55:20 <---pidgin+openmoko Aug 01 01:55:49 this is pretty sweet Aug 01 01:57:08 anyway, the one weird thing that happens when my phone is near my computer Aug 01 01:57:20 is that the compiz desktop slider activates Aug 01 01:57:30 kinda funny actually Aug 01 01:57:36 it just spins back and forth Aug 01 01:57:40 if you ubpolug the mouse does it do that? Aug 01 01:57:46 try wrapping hte mouse in foil too Aug 01 01:57:53 heh Aug 01 01:57:57 ;) Aug 01 02:15:06 hey Aug 01 02:15:48 Hello. Aug 01 02:15:52 I flashed my FR with the ASU, image of the 22nd of july. I cannot receive nor make call ... any idea why ? do I have to install somthing else ? Aug 01 02:16:47 so i just propped the case cover over the opening so it covers as much of the opening as possible Aug 01 02:16:58 let's see if that stops the buzzing Aug 01 02:17:34 feydreva, Ouch. Aug 01 02:17:50 feydreva, Flash it with a new ASU release? Aug 01 02:18:09 the one of the 22nd Aug 01 02:18:24 it s the most recent one I found on the daily released Aug 01 02:18:35 Oh. Aug 01 02:18:43 Why don't you flash with 2007.2? Aug 01 02:19:08 hum I tried the one of the 30th... Aug 01 02:19:16 and it s was worse than the orinigal... Aug 01 02:19:26 it could register to the network Aug 01 02:19:43 I am trying to get a version, that ring when I recive phone call.... Aug 01 02:19:59 because it s sucks for a phone to not ring, when someone calls you Aug 01 02:21:50 feydrea: I found I had better luck with the ASU for July 21 over 22 Aug 01 02:22:11 ok I may try.. Aug 01 02:22:43 the strange things is.. different time, I get different behaviour of the phone... like 2 hrs ago... I could't call nor receive, now it see to work Aug 01 02:25:20 hum i found what it is... if the FR is NOT connected to the computer, I cannot receive or make call, if it is connected, calling and receiving works fine... Aug 01 02:25:33 can i safely change the hostname of the FR from its default? Aug 01 02:26:35 kgoetz: Yes. Aug 01 02:26:57 rtm: thanks Aug 01 02:35:23 is it safe to update the kernel yet? Aug 01 02:36:14 no it will explode! if you do! Aug 01 02:36:42 pabs3: Why might it be unsafe? Aug 01 02:36:59 the one from a few days ago wouldn't boot Aug 01 02:37:14 had to revert to the build from the 27th Aug 01 02:38:01 the unstability of the kernel allows freeradicals to bombard with the ions in the battery causing a nuclear explosion Aug 01 02:38:35 But if we can control it, we'll have cold fusion. Aug 01 02:40:41 Hawt... I have the pre-built emulated Binary working!! Aug 01 02:40:58 almost >.> Aug 01 02:41:24 YAY! Aug 01 02:41:49 pabs3: i *just* updated then incuding a bunch of kernel modules Aug 01 02:42:24 So it looks like I need Subversion huh... Aug 01 02:43:11 and its rebooted. Aug 01 02:43:53 are tehre any asu image update available after july 21st? Aug 01 02:45:05 anyone have experience with the Windows Emulation of OpenMoko? Aug 01 02:51:00 anyone using FSO m2? Aug 01 02:51:06 just me and you ;-) Aug 01 02:51:31 * Flinx claws at qemu Aug 01 02:51:37 pabs3, I install the kernel of the july 30th, and it works fine Aug 01 02:51:47 Chocky: so...still with a broken opkg, huh? Aug 01 02:51:55 Chocky: is FSO m2 just the basics still? Aug 01 02:52:09 love its keyboard Aug 01 02:52:16 well, since I talked to you, I went home, had dinner, pulled up the desk to get at a tree, gave kid a bath, and here I am :o Aug 01 02:52:29 yes, but for different values of "basics" Aug 01 02:52:43 sms recieve is kinda blundered Aug 01 02:52:51 how so ? Aug 01 02:52:55 SirBob1701: it's on the right path. it needs work, as all the others Aug 01 02:53:16 true. I'm waiting for a new ASU image. Still running july 21st lol Aug 01 02:53:45 er s/desk/deck/ Aug 01 02:54:40 SirBob1701, I just finished install the ASU of the 21st :) Aug 01 02:54:53 is everyone here running some flavor of linux? Aug 01 02:55:02 feydreva: don't opkg upgrade lol Aug 01 02:55:03 debian for me :) Aug 01 02:55:13 SirBob1701, yep I understand that Aug 01 02:55:18 i'm on debian Aug 01 02:55:34 I'm downloading Debian Aug 01 02:55:37 Chocky: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1695 Aug 01 02:55:52 in case you haven't seen it before Aug 01 02:55:56 but I'm trying to update the image in my Windows qemu Aug 01 02:56:03 but not seeing how it needs to be done >. I'm trying to build an image of FSO Aug 01 02:58:46 SirBob1701, can you pass phone call ? Aug 01 02:58:54 SirBob1701, with the ASU of the 21st Aug 01 02:59:01 pass phone call? Aug 01 02:59:13 Calling someone Aug 01 02:59:26 oh ya Aug 01 02:59:30 hum... Aug 01 02:59:33 i cannot :/ Aug 01 02:59:36 im using it as my daily phone Aug 01 02:59:49 needs a reboot everynow and then **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 01 02:59:56 2008