**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 01 02:59:56 2008 Aug 01 03:00:11 ... Aug 01 03:00:17 ? Aug 01 03:00:33 hum Aug 01 03:00:37 i notice if you let the thing sit a long time it won't call. i'm guessing a memory leak or something Aug 01 03:00:44 I can call if the FR is connected to the PC.... Aug 01 03:00:53 If my FR is not connected, I cannot call... Aug 01 03:01:01 on the july 21st ASU Aug 01 03:04:01 When I get my Debian running, will one of you Debian users be able to help me get my system running? Aug 01 03:04:20 you want to run Debian on the FR? Aug 01 03:04:26 * torindel just fixed ogsmd parser in fso so it works with his second sim Aug 01 03:04:29 * torindel yawns Aug 01 03:04:33 that sounds like a good way not to have it work as a cell phone :) Aug 01 03:04:48 Right now I'm just trying to figure out how to get a build environment >. Flinx, there is a lot of support for debian :) and the install work fine, and you should get it running pretty easely Aug 01 03:05:01 cjb: that sound like a good way to have it not work as anything Aug 01 03:05:09 and the Wikis really are sucking hard... Aug 01 03:05:17 cjb: just dont forget to install full gnome or full kde ;] Aug 01 03:05:18 thanks feydreva! Aug 01 03:05:45 Flinx, i m running debian for few years.. and yes the wiki debian sucks... but google rocks :) Aug 01 03:05:47 am i the only one not using gnome, kde, or e? Aug 01 03:05:59 Pfft.. Aug 01 03:06:07 I'm good at Google Aug 01 03:06:09 SirBob1701, I use gnome on debian Aug 01 03:06:28 i'm using ion3 :P Aug 01 03:06:34 SirBob1701: e17/xfce here Aug 01 03:06:40 but why would instructions for setting up a test/build environment NOT be on the OM site? >.> Aug 01 03:06:46 so.. i still do not know why I cannot call anybody with my ASU :/ Aug 01 03:07:05 feydreva: tryied fso? ;p Aug 01 03:07:09 torindel: i tried it i liked it alot more then gnome or kde. Aug 01 03:07:32 it'd be /nice/ if I could figure out the Windows qemu... but thats not looking very promising -.- Aug 01 03:07:40 torindel, hum not yet :) I want a version that can received call, and make calls.. and Ring... Aug 01 03:07:47 so i can use it as a phone :) Aug 01 03:07:53 lol Aug 01 03:07:56 feydreva: get fso-milestone2 Aug 01 03:07:57 what a novel idea ;) Aug 01 03:08:05 ah ah :) Aug 01 03:08:12 ok torindel i will give it a try :) Aug 01 03:08:23 how does one get fso-milestone2? Aug 01 03:08:26 you'll have basic sms and contacts support too Aug 01 03:08:39 downloads.openmoko Aug 01 03:08:43 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2? Aug 01 03:08:48 ... sans ? Aug 01 03:08:54 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ? right ? Aug 01 03:08:59 feydreva: on openmoko Aug 01 03:09:04 Flinx: * ^ Aug 01 03:09:06 Flinx, francais or quebec ? Aug 01 03:09:40 eh... Aug 01 03:09:45 feydreva: thats for gta01 Aug 01 03:09:54 oh yes :) Aug 01 03:09:55 I just like the word sans :p Aug 01 03:09:57 feydreva: openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary in same dir is for gta02 Aug 01 03:10:01 ok Aug 01 03:10:07 Flinx, lol ok :) Aug 01 03:10:55 so I have to remove the .summary before uploading it ? or thta s ok ? Aug 01 03:11:02 do I have to ... ? Aug 01 03:11:20 feydreva: you dont have too Aug 01 03:11:31 ok Aug 01 03:11:33 just flash it as normal Aug 01 03:11:38 feydreva: beware of the fact that it comes with a broken opkg Aug 01 03:12:00 it segfaults when you try to upgrade Aug 01 03:12:10 is it possible to take the *.jffs2 image and run it in qemu? Aug 01 03:12:15 hum, upgrade seems to be messed up for every version of software Aug 01 03:12:26 Flinx: for gta01 yes Aug 01 03:12:33 it's opkg, not fso Aug 01 03:12:37 kay Aug 01 03:12:39 Flinx: gta02 isnt fully emulated Aug 01 03:12:56 the wiki says that there is a kernel patch for gta02 Aug 01 03:13:17 i.e. you get incompatible crossing between gta01/gta02 emulated hardware Aug 01 03:13:30 kay Aug 01 03:14:17 Flinx: if you want to test you can just install images onto your sd card in moko and boot them btw Aug 01 03:14:31 no need to flash primary memory Aug 01 03:14:33 I dun have the FR yet Aug 01 03:15:07 I want to play with things and get used to the process of what I have to do in terms of updates/flashing Aug 01 03:16:21 but I don't have a Debian system yet. Aug 01 03:17:00 torindel, is it really unsafe to upgrade u-boot ? and wich function the new u-boot offers ? (one is to be able to boot on ext3..) Aug 01 03:17:27 so I've been messing with my FR's clock... Aug 01 03:17:41 feydreva: the gta02 has two u-boots, so even if you break one, you can still boot with the other one Aug 01 03:17:55 feydreva: on old neo kinda Aug 01 03:17:57 I got it set to the local time by putting the local time in with the date command (it prints out the correct time, including timezone) Aug 01 03:18:03 on fr you got 2 uboots Aug 01 03:18:20 then I used the hwclock command to sync the hardware clock... I can't figure out if I've got it set in UTC or local Aug 01 03:18:29 I don't want my clock to migrate on every reboot Aug 01 03:18:46 running "hwclock --utc" prints out my local time, and running "hwclock --localtime" prints out UTC Aug 01 03:18:50 what does that mean? Aug 01 03:18:56 do I completely not understand what those commands do? Aug 01 03:19:24 this is how I set it that way: "hwclock --utc --systohc" Aug 01 03:19:41 just do hwclock --systohc Aug 01 03:19:53 torindel: even if I've got it set up in my time zone? Aug 01 03:20:01 yes Aug 01 03:20:11 also, when I do it that way, using "hwclock --utc" prints out a time that isn't local or UTC Aug 01 03:20:16 Yanroy: it should save as utc anyway Aug 01 03:20:25 Chocky: are you trying to do something with opkg? Aug 01 03:21:03 i'm kinda lost. tried to compile through the toolchain, but it fails Aug 01 03:21:10 I just set it with "hwclock --systohc". running "hwclock" prints my local time. running "hwclock --utc" prints time that is 4 hours ago. that's neither UTC nor my local time... Aug 01 03:21:14 that seems wrong Aug 01 03:21:41 Yanroy: ensure that when you type date it says correct time Aug 01 03:21:48 it does Aug 01 03:22:11 do hwclock --systohc and reboot neko and check date again Aug 01 03:22:31 rebooting... Aug 01 03:23:30 the only thing that I can think of that makes any sense out of this is that running "hwclock --utc" forces it to interpret the stored time as UTC, rather than displaying the UTC time Aug 01 03:23:37 that would result in the 4 hours backwards Aug 01 03:23:46 but that's really weird behavior for that command... Aug 01 03:24:51 * feydreva booting up FSO... we shall see Aug 01 03:26:00 lol, after rebooting neko usb on it is acting wierd Aug 01 03:26:14 mine too Aug 01 03:26:24 should I submit a bugreport for the Win32 Binary Emulator? Aug 01 03:26:27 did you just install the new kernel? Aug 01 03:27:09 just no, some time earlier yes, but this was first time i kept it longer running Aug 01 03:27:51 uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin kernel Aug 01 03:27:53 I can't get my usb0 to come up Aug 01 03:28:07 but the phone makes a noise like I tapped the screen when I plug the USB cord in Aug 01 03:28:17 charging indicator doesn't change to charging either Aug 01 03:28:38 it does with the wall plug... Aug 01 03:28:46 Yanroy: i was ok earlier with this kernel Aug 01 03:28:59 ok, maybe this is unrelated then Aug 01 03:29:12 I installed the pulseaudio and userspace stuff from mwester Aug 01 03:29:14 but not his kernel Aug 01 03:29:19 rebooting neko again helped Aug 01 03:30:05 does the USB interface get brought up if you boot with it connected? seems like that could be the issue... Aug 01 03:30:25 btw, why are you calling it a neko? is that a new meme I haven't been exposed to? Aug 01 03:30:46 Anyone have a recent opkg update/upgrade break their usb? Aug 01 03:30:51 yep Aug 01 03:31:10 Toaster`: just now... I'm trying another reboot to see if that fixes it Aug 01 03:31:11 Yanroy: i just named my moko like that (neko is cat in japanese) Aug 01 03:31:24 torindel, on the FSO, I got on the top right, a "no dbus message" is that normal ? Aug 01 03:31:41 Yanroy: ok, let me know how it goes, mines doing the same Aug 01 03:31:42 feydreva: first boot? Aug 01 03:31:50 torindel, yes Aug 01 03:31:55 feydreva: reboot then Aug 01 03:31:58 :) Aug 01 03:32:03 after next boot it should be ok Aug 01 03:32:20 Toaster`: I also just installed some stuff from mwester's site, so that could also be to blame... did it all at once Aug 01 03:33:08 Yanroy: Still down over here. My update/upgrade included a kernel update, so I'm gonna try rolling it back and seeing if that helps Aug 01 03:33:34 Toaster`: yeah... plugging in the USB makes the USB icon show up on the toolbar, but no usb0 on my host PC Aug 01 03:33:49 also, it doesn't show the charging indicator when using USB now, but it does with the wall plug Aug 01 03:33:50 http://www.pastebin.ca/1089244 <- thats what i had on my pc, moko turned into semi working cdc-acm state o_O? Aug 01 03:33:53 check on your FR, do yo uhave a usb0 there as well? Aug 01 03:34:14 Yanroy: sounds like the usb0 driver got borked Aug 01 03:34:44 also it feels slower and jerkier than before (scrolling through the menu to the terminal) Aug 01 03:34:51 I'm running 2007.2 if you can't tell :) Aug 01 03:35:21 I only a lo device on the FR Aug 01 03:35:25 Yanroy: that's what I run as well Aug 01 03:35:31 *have Aug 01 03:35:32 feydreva: it works for you now? Aug 01 03:35:50 Yanroy: same. Can you let me know what kernel version you have? Aug 01 03:36:12 torindel, yep trying to call.. :) Aug 01 03:36:16 Toaster`: it now makes a noise when I plug in the USB (like tapping the screen) that I'm pretty sure wasn't there before Aug 01 03:36:27 connected to a PC it works... I am trying not conected now Aug 01 03:36:46 Yanroy: it was on mine. A little pop whenever the usb goes in or comes out Aug 01 03:37:33 Toaster`: well, I just upgraded about half an hour ago... uname -a (paraphrased, gotta retype it...): 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 1 1:21:27 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown Aug 01 03:38:23 good thing I set up wifi before this happened... Aug 01 03:38:45 heh, yeah Aug 01 03:39:05 feydreva: you can also apply this patch: http://www.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/attachment/ticket/62/parser.patch for /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py Aug 01 03:39:07 I just flashed the 28-07-2008 kernel, hopefully that'll fix things Aug 01 03:39:48 feydreva: i had problems with even calling after i got sms with return char in sender field Aug 01 03:39:50 I'm in over wifi now... that seems to still work Aug 01 03:40:05 I don't plan on reflashing... I'll just upgrade again tomorrow once its fixed Aug 01 03:40:09 how do we report this? Aug 01 03:40:29 torindel, i succeed to call someone... I hanged u.. and now I cannot open the dialer... Aug 01 03:40:41 trac? Aug 01 03:40:50 ok, the rollback of the kernel worked. Aug 01 03:40:51 feydreva: probably you just got sms like i had -__-; Aug 01 03:41:02 Toaster`: where's the trac? Aug 01 03:41:04 feydreva: apply that and reboot neko Aug 01 03:41:08 Toaster`: or would you like to report it? Aug 01 03:41:38 hey how can i edit pim suite list? (pim suite, applications. games, utilities, all) Aug 01 03:41:43 trashy pre-paid smses -__-; Aug 01 03:41:59 aggtrfrad: you need to edit the categories in the .desktop files... lemme look up where those are for you Aug 01 03:42:06 i know Aug 01 03:42:09 Yanroy: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ ? Aug 01 03:42:17 aggtrfrad: /usr/share/applications Aug 01 03:42:20 torindel, can you explain me how to apply the patch please ? Aug 01 03:42:32 but the do not make the lists, the just asign theme selfs to the lists Aug 01 03:42:43 feydreva: get it on your moko Aug 01 03:42:52 I need to nuke this build of my Windows OS.. Aug 01 03:42:59 feydreva: patch < file Aug 01 03:43:05 i wanna make a new list like 'wlan' and dellete another like 'games' Aug 01 03:43:05 ok Aug 01 03:43:06 Toaster`: so you want me to report it? Aug 01 03:43:18 feydreva: and type /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py Aug 01 03:43:42 I'm just checking to see if it's already there Aug 01 03:43:59 v Aug 01 03:44:00 is there a way to download the patch ? Aug 01 03:44:28 aggtrfrad: me too... lemme know if you figure out how to do that :) Aug 01 03:44:44 ok :p Aug 01 03:44:56 aggtrfrad: also, I'd like terminal to be under utilities Aug 01 03:44:58 maybe calculator too Aug 01 03:45:36 dunno why its not... I noticed all the others have singular category names, despite the text that shows up in the dropdown... I edited terminal to be "utility" instead of "utilities' just now, restarting X to see... Aug 01 03:46:16 hm think i got it Aug 01 03:46:30 is dhould be Utility, not Utilities Aug 01 03:46:47 aggtrfrad: k... then when this finishes restarting, I should have it fixed too :) Aug 01 03:47:09 sweet... works Aug 01 03:47:22 feydreva: any working pastebin services with upload/download file support? Aug 01 03:47:41 nop Aug 01 03:48:02 I wouldn't mind a "not games" category... I don't know who would ever play these things... maybe I should delete them, if I can figure out how Aug 01 03:49:25 a couple of them are fun Aug 01 03:50:52 Yanroy, what I just used to get rid of the kobo game: "opkg remove -force-depends kobodeluxe" Aug 01 03:51:17 after starting it for about the 10th time while trying to open something else up.. Aug 01 03:51:38 that's an interesting effect... Aug 01 03:51:54 i don't know why some of these items seem to have more sensitivity than others Aug 01 03:51:58 if I wanted to play games, I wouldn't run linux Aug 01 03:52:16 winehq :P Aug 01 03:52:16 * rooly sighs Aug 01 03:52:27 blackbox is quite fun Aug 01 03:52:31 Flinx: yeah... I use wine for my sole indulgence... starcraft Aug 01 03:52:38 hehe Aug 01 03:52:40 nice Aug 01 03:52:46 * rooly installed gcc on his phone Aug 01 03:52:51 I'm going to need it for things like Dreamweaver Aug 01 03:53:00 and other apps that i can't live w/o >. thats thats off topic Aug 01 03:53:11 * rooly wonders if starcraft will work Aug 01 03:53:11 Flinx: on your phone? :D somehow I think dreamweaver might be a little heavy Aug 01 03:53:17 undrwater, yeah it's strange, and closing applications is extremely sensitive when you have to select the name. it compares to some of the buttons in an adobe flash movie where the button is only the text and not the entire line/area Aug 01 03:53:27 OH!... Aug 01 03:53:35 you meant on the phone.... Aug 01 03:53:38 a friend of mine has a pocketpc based smartphone that plays starcraft Aug 01 03:53:47 0.@ Aug 01 03:54:13 Flinx: I don't have starcraft on my FR, though I would like to eventually. I play starcraft on my desktop, and even then only once every month or two Aug 01 03:54:16 a finger trainer application could prove really useful "your finger is the size of an adult gorilla - OK." Aug 01 03:54:49 Toaster`: should we report it? Aug 01 03:54:56 hmm, starcraft wouldn't work, it's an arm processor, not x86 Aug 01 03:55:22 make an ARM port Aug 01 03:55:24 damn, that's a good point... I wonder what arch that phone my friend has is Aug 01 03:55:32 Yanroy: I'm working on it now, just trying to figure out what u-boot version I have Aug 01 03:55:37 maybe blizzard will open source it after starcraft 2 comes out Aug 01 03:55:47 Toaster`: good call... I'm still using the stock uboot Aug 01 03:55:54 Yanroy: same Aug 01 03:55:57 well, it's obviously x86 or ppc, or he somehow convinced blizzard to recompile their game for arm Aug 01 03:56:09 You know how to check the u-boot version? Aug 01 03:56:19 yeah, u-boot says it's version Aug 01 03:56:23 right there at the top Aug 01 03:56:39 maybe theres an x86 emulator on it? Aug 01 03:56:59 ...an x86 emulator for a 233-500 mhz arm processor? Aug 01 03:57:00 rooly: you mean at the NAND boot screen? Aug 01 03:57:00 /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders Aug 01 03:57:03 :) Aug 01 03:57:14 Toaster`, yeah Aug 01 03:57:21 .directory files define a menu Aug 01 03:57:53 rooly: that's not unreasonable, given starcraft's system requirements Aug 01 03:57:58 last i looked, mine said 1.3 or something Aug 01 03:58:24 * Yanroy wonders if it would be somehow possible to fuse dosbox and wine to make a windows emulator Aug 01 03:58:28 but, Yanroy, there's the whole needing to run windows and dx6 Aug 01 03:58:30 anyone have a link to the u-boot edit wiki page? i can't seem to find it Aug 01 03:58:45 rooly: hrm, I was expecting something like GTA2vX but the closest I have is "U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 Aug 01 03:59:08 that's where mine says Aug 01 03:59:10 Dirty moko.? Aug 01 03:59:11 0.o Aug 01 03:59:20 and similar Aug 01 03:59:25 Flinx: mine says that too... Aug 01 03:59:26 but i thought you mean something else Aug 01 03:59:30 *meant Aug 01 03:59:35 by "u-boot version" Aug 01 03:59:47 Well, it seems I may be confused Aug 01 03:59:48 I wonder why dirty is in there.. Aug 01 03:59:50 you want the phone's hardware version Aug 01 04:00:10 the hardware revision Aug 01 04:00:17 that i don't know how to find Aug 01 04:00:22 rooly: that sounds right Aug 01 04:00:34 wow... apparently, when you resume from suspend, it's possible to continue your SSH session over wifi without it being dropped. to bad my laptop can't accomplish that trick Aug 01 04:00:46 also, the mwester fixes for resume seem to be working... I have sound Aug 01 04:00:54 * rooly can't get his wifi working Aug 01 04:01:21 rooly: it was trivially easy for me, with WPA2 encryption... what kind are you using? Aug 01 04:01:29 open Aug 01 04:02:13 err? Aug 01 04:02:17 yeah, i know Aug 01 04:02:18 that should be even easier Aug 01 04:02:20 confusing as hell Aug 01 04:02:29 campwifi can't seem to find my network Aug 01 04:02:37 don't use campwifi :P Aug 01 04:03:04 rooly: I'm using 2007.2, so I just created the wpa_supplicant.conf (about 2 lines) and used the init.d script from the wiki... worked first try Aug 01 04:03:15 right Aug 01 04:03:16 hmm Aug 01 04:03:18 aight Aug 01 04:03:20 got a link to that? Aug 01 04:03:22 I need to get outta here.. Aug 01 04:03:25 rooly: sure Aug 01 04:03:26 I'll cya later! Aug 01 04:04:22 rooly: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN Aug 01 04:05:09 rooly: don't get too scared by the wpa_supplicant.conf they have as the example... further down the page there's an example of WPA that's only 3 lines long (you shouldn't need the psk for an open network, and the priority is optional always, IIRC) Aug 01 04:05:24 so you can probably get away with just the ssid directive :P Aug 01 04:09:13 damnit Aug 01 04:09:17 my networking is broke again Aug 01 04:09:46 anyone tried to connect to wpa with hidden ssid? Aug 01 04:11:31 torindel: there's something about that on the WLAN wiki page... I haven't had need to try it though Aug 01 04:11:37 rooly: in what way? Aug 01 04:12:02 as in it resolves but can't connect outside my usb connection Aug 01 04:12:45 aggtrfrad: I tried copying a couple of the files in that folder to make new .directory entires... they don't show up Aug 01 04:13:01 Yanroy: search doesnt find anything Aug 01 04:13:45 im working on it, i deleted games.directory and games is gone, but then i tryied to edit some other staf, and i bricked the x server Aug 01 04:14:18 sweet! Aug 01 04:14:21 torindel: it's on an off-wiki site linked from the article. the gist is set "scan_ssid=1" in the section for the hidden ssid network Aug 01 04:14:23 * rooly got his wifi connected Aug 01 04:14:45 is opkg's upgrade still broken? Aug 01 04:14:47 rooly: you have to ifdown usb0, which I assume is what you just discovered :) Aug 01 04:15:06 no, i got the wifi on Aug 01 04:15:09 rooly: well, if by broken you mean it doesn't install, then no... it upgrades just fine. but you get a kernel that doesn't let you do SSH over USB Aug 01 04:15:28 that could be problematic Aug 01 04:15:31 any fixes yet? Aug 01 04:16:01 rooly: I just installed it about an hour ago... Toaster` got the same problem at about hte same time. makes me think it was just released. prolly no one knows about it yet Aug 01 04:16:12 Toaster` was looking into reporting it in the trac Aug 01 04:16:18 there was a note in the wiki the other day Aug 01 04:16:23 probably tomorrow's kernel will fix it Aug 01 04:16:24 oh? Aug 01 04:16:32 yeah Aug 01 04:16:47 yesterday, there was a note that opkg upgrade breaks the installation somehow Aug 01 04:17:00 Yanroy: scan_ssid=1 doesnt help as it should too Aug 01 04:17:02 i don't remember where Aug 01 04:17:24 torindel: I dunno... I run a pretty basic network here Aug 01 04:17:31 Yanroy: that version of wpa_supplicant is comparing '' against 'ssidname' -__-; Aug 01 04:17:40 on my laptop it works with same config Aug 01 04:18:08 rooly: I seem to recall a message on the ML about a kernel upgrade that would cause hanging on boot, but not broken usb connectivity Aug 01 04:18:25 torindel: I dunno how to help... I'm far from a linux wifi guru Aug 01 04:19:41 Yanroy: ok, reported. Aug 01 04:19:49 I'm off. Night all Aug 01 04:19:49 Toaster`: nice :) thanks Aug 01 04:19:52 night Aug 01 04:20:08 I should be going too... past my bedtime Aug 01 04:20:18 Yanroy: after upgrading (before rebooting) you need to install a couple of kernel-module packages. USB networking was moved from built-in to modules Aug 01 04:20:45 mmontour: oh? then it's not a bug and toaster didn't need to report it. how come there isn't some logic in opkg to handle that? Aug 01 04:21:00 mmontour: I can get the packages... what do I need to install and how do I set it up? Aug 01 04:21:55 It was something like kernel-module-g-ether and kernel-module-cdc-ether (not 100% sure about the names) Aug 01 04:22:10 * Chocky renames the stupidly named "GTA02 WLAN" page Aug 01 04:22:12 mmontour: was it on the ML? do you recall anything I could search for? Aug 01 04:22:32 I read it earlier this evening. I'll see if I can find the msg again... Aug 01 04:22:36 Chocky: good idea. I was going to rewrite a lot of stuff on that page, but I'm not confident enough in my solutions to know that they'll work in the general case Aug 01 04:22:57 mmontour: I read the ML in google reader as RSS, so it's trivial for me to search if you can remember a keyword Aug 01 04:23:01 ergh, almost a week since the shipment, and nothing in the store yet Aug 01 04:23:02 :-( Aug 01 04:23:09 I've barely tried it, personally. But yes, it's a mess. Stupid Yashy was crowing about it too. Aug 01 04:23:14 it's probably in one of the messages I haven't read yet... I've got about a 12 hour backlog of ML messages Aug 01 04:23:32 did we have an answer for opkg segfault yet? Aug 01 04:23:44 there's an opkg segfault? Aug 01 04:23:50 how do i get a keyboard for the web browser Aug 01 04:23:51 in FSO II Aug 01 04:24:19 oh... that's like 3 software stacks newer than what I'm using :D Aug 01 04:24:26 :o Aug 01 04:24:41 2007.2 ftw! Aug 01 04:25:16 rooly: what kind of keyboard? and which release? Aug 01 04:25:28 ah Aug 01 04:25:30 * Chocky reads trac Aug 01 04:25:59 hm, a fix Aug 01 04:26:00 Yanroy: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/000900.html (and a later msg said you also need to run 'depmod' after installing) Aug 01 04:26:06 guess I need a better binary now Aug 01 04:26:13 2007.2, any kind of text input, and i figured out the solution Aug 01 04:26:18 just use the search, it does what i need Aug 01 04:26:24 (boobies on google) Aug 01 04:26:33 I do not know who maintain this page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions but that s pretty much a lie :P Aug 01 04:26:46 we should have a "meteo" page of all distrib and dates... Aug 01 04:26:48 feydreva: what is incorrect on it? Aug 01 04:26:53 mmontour: thanks... I'll try that over wifi right now :) what's depmod? Aug 01 04:26:53 "meteo"? Aug 01 04:26:58 telephony funtion does not work... Aug 01 04:27:03 ... Aug 01 04:27:17 and it s written yes and green and all version Aug 01 04:27:29 I know, it's terrible, but you aren't being very clear Aug 01 04:27:41 If you want to rewrite it, then do so Aug 01 04:27:42 I tried the 2007, the ASU, the FSO... I haven;t been able to receive a single call... Aug 01 04:27:51 depmod is a command that calculates dependencies between kernel modules. If it hasn't been run after you've installed new modules, then they may not load properly Aug 01 04:27:53 horay Aug 01 04:27:54 or you can make 1 call, bit not the second one Aug 01 04:28:00 no more need for usb Aug 01 04:28:08 mmontour: the package should run it :p Aug 01 04:28:32 feydreva: the page is not about personal experience. It's about what you should, in priciple, be able to do with it. Aug 01 04:28:40 feydreva: really? I've received calls with 2007.2 and ASU (haven't tested any others) Aug 01 04:28:47 I agree, and "opkg upgrade" should have pulled in the new module packages automatically. But it doesn't seem to be doing it yet. Aug 01 04:28:50 meteo : like : http://edos.debian.net/weather/ Aug 01 04:29:07 Yanroy, does the ringer works on the 2007.2 ? Aug 01 04:29:17 feydreva: before it suspends, yes Aug 01 04:29:22 because a phone that doesn;t ring is useless for me Aug 01 04:29:25 * Chocky has another go at building FSO :o Aug 01 04:29:45 feydreva: after resuming from suspend, non-GSM sound doesn't work anymore. I just installed some stuff from mwester's site that fixed that (and supposedly increase reliability of resume too) Aug 01 04:30:11 Yanroy, I tried the 2007.2 yesterday, and the phone would jsut vibrate.. but not ring... Aug 01 04:30:16 whatever i do... Aug 01 04:30:25 I imagine it will also increase battery life, since part of the fix should prevent random wakeups Aug 01 04:30:42 feydreva: you tried calling it before it went to sleep (or you turned off power management)? Aug 01 04:31:02 also, what version of 2007.2? latest daily? Aug 01 04:31:22 Yanroy, yep I tried wihtout the power management... Aug 01 04:31:27 odd Aug 01 04:31:37 do you get any sound at all? like, does it make a noise when you tap the screen? Aug 01 04:32:01 mmontour: I just got this when installing those modules: FATAL: Module g_ether not found. Aug 01 04:32:01 and I tried witht he original one that comes with the phone... and I tried after an okpg update okpg upgrade.. and the telephony would not work at all after that Aug 01 04:32:27 mmontour: note that that error message was part of the configuring process... it downloaded both packages successfully. hell if I know why it didn't find it after it installed it :P Aug 01 04:33:06 feydreva: if you just update and upgrade using the default image, I think it will only upgrade to the latest release build. it won't get you a daily unless you mess with the opkg config files or flash a daily build Aug 01 04:33:32 feydreva: so you probably weren't running the latest. though I think I was able to receive calls with the factory image (poor reliability) Aug 01 04:33:46 this thing is presently working well enough that I've been using it as my primary (only) phone Aug 01 04:34:29 Yanroy, yes you received call.. but it jsut vibrate.. not rin Aug 01 04:34:31 ring Aug 01 04:34:46 Yanroy: I don't know what the problem is. I haven't tried installing the new kernel, so I'm just going by what I've seen on the lists Aug 01 04:34:51 ok, the FSO seems to work fine for calling and receiving call :) Aug 01 04:35:05 mmontour: ok. opkg list_installed reports its installed. maybe it has something to do with depmod Aug 01 04:35:30 Try running depmod manually, and look in /lib/modules to see if the actual files are in the right place Aug 01 04:35:31 i just wish you had the option of using an lvm with the sd card Aug 01 04:35:33 feydreva: good :) I haven't tried the FSO yet. I'm going to wait until some further development goes on before I try either ASU (again) or FSO Aug 01 04:36:42 mmontour: there's a bunch of USB-related stuff in there... looks fine to my untrained eye Aug 01 04:36:51 I'm going to reboot and pray Aug 01 04:36:54 (to science) Aug 01 04:37:58 * Chocky looks for an older opjg Aug 01 04:38:01 opkg Aug 01 04:38:08 rooly: lvm might work. I don't know if anyone has tried yet. Aug 01 04:38:20 it would be beneficial Aug 01 04:38:38 toggle the phone to use the the sd card as an lvm, and make disk space a non-issue Aug 01 04:39:17 my laptop is about to reach critical mass compiling openmoko Aug 01 04:39:18 rooly: I'm not really up on what LVM actually does, but how does it address this? you can already boot off it Aug 01 04:39:52 an lvm is basically a virtual raid-like software partition Aug 01 04:40:08 sensors says its reached 92 degree's C Aug 01 04:40:11 it can use a dozen differently sized disks as a single partition Aug 01 04:40:21 * Chocky spanks rd8 Aug 01 04:40:28 kd8 too. No apostrophe. Aug 01 04:40:50 kd8ikt: seems to me that you should crack and egg on the case and fry it Aug 01 04:41:06 or pour some water on it and see if it evaporates before hitting the lappy Aug 01 04:41:08 a fan would help Aug 01 04:41:13 200F Aug 01 04:41:27 195 actually Aug 01 04:41:30 alright Aug 01 04:41:33 now my phone is ready Aug 01 04:41:47 * Yanroy poured a glass of water into his keyboard, onto his FR, and all over his tower a couple days ago Aug 01 04:42:11 * rooly is about to compile his favorite 3d engine for his FR Aug 01 04:42:13 rooly: I have a software RAID in my desktop... I use mdadm... dunno the relation to LVM there Aug 01 04:42:27 "linux volume management" Aug 01 04:42:35 rooly: but you only have one SD slot, so multiple volumes doesn't seem to make much sense Aug 01 04:42:35 it isn't a raid Aug 01 04:43:06 I think there is a RAID mode that will do what you want... maybe 5? Aug 01 04:43:17 Yanroy, think about not just adding 8 gigs to a single folder, but to the entire filesystem Aug 01 04:43:31 seamlessly Aug 01 04:43:34 all in software Aug 01 04:43:38 right... Aug 01 04:43:57 3 ide disks, 12 pata, 2 sata, 4 usb-external Aug 01 04:44:00 all working as one disk Aug 01 04:44:00 RAID could do that, but even if it couldn't, doesn't booting from the SD card make it be mounted on / Aug 01 04:44:14 i'm ignoring booting from the sd card Aug 01 04:44:25 ok. that seems like a solution though Aug 01 04:44:35 i mean adding the sd card's space to the filesystem Aug 01 04:44:48 seems very dangerous Aug 01 04:44:56 if any disk in the set goes bad, you lose it all, right? Aug 01 04:45:05 only the data on that disk Aug 01 04:45:20 which could be anything... Aug 01 04:45:26 it sure could Aug 01 04:45:39 or maybe worse, part of something :) suddenly, 1/8 of your kernel disappears... Aug 01 04:45:52 that's not the point Aug 01 04:46:06 the point is, you'd get an extra 8 gigs of space available Aug 01 04:46:19 or 4 or 2 or 1 or 512 or 256 Aug 01 04:46:23 whatever Aug 01 04:46:28 it'd be seamless Aug 01 04:46:33 or 128 or 64 or 1? Aug 01 04:46:40 or your mom Aug 01 04:46:41 mmontour: USB works after reboot. thanks for your help Aug 01 04:46:50 np Aug 01 04:47:48 rooly: so go implement it, if it isn't already... someone said it might already work Aug 01 04:47:55 meh Aug 01 04:48:03 i'm working on porting my favorite 3d rendering engine Aug 01 04:48:04 rooly: maybe you could talk to whoever it was that was implementing boot of NFS... seems related Aug 01 04:48:16 that's quite different Aug 01 04:49:00 hmm... now my phone doesnt seem to be registering with the GSM network Aug 01 04:49:44 mee too Aug 01 04:49:56 at&t Aug 01 04:50:20 linuxxr: me too. but I just made an outgoing call successfully, despite it saying "" in the corner Aug 01 04:50:30 they said i cant get an 850 sim all they have is 3g Aug 01 04:50:33 before, it was switching back and forth between that and "registering" Aug 01 04:50:52 linuxxr: what do you mean by an 850 sim? btw, my sim is 3g Aug 01 04:50:55 my phone worked reliably for 3 days Aug 01 04:51:19 well i asked them an they said 3g only Aug 01 04:52:18 now sometimes it registers but lately notning is hooking up they also that there are issues with unlocked phones Aug 01 04:52:29 linuxxr: did you check your SIM against the charts here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT Aug 01 04:52:34 yes Aug 01 04:52:46 71234g 4022 Aug 01 04:52:47 if they said there are issues with unlocked phones, they're full of crap :) Aug 01 04:53:06 thats wat i thought Aug 01 04:53:09 linuxxr: I think mine is the same except instead of G in the middle, it's O Aug 01 04:53:33 i go to the store tomorrow an maybe they will trade me sims Aug 01 04:53:39 the guys at the place I bought my card from said unlocked phones were fine and they were actually interested in the FR Aug 01 04:54:19 linuxxr: where are you located? the sales guy at the place I went traded a bunch of SIMs for my friend until he got one that worked. he told me to send anyone else with a FR to him and he'll make sure they get a working SIM Aug 01 04:54:41 nw arkansas Aug 01 04:54:49 that's a bit of a drive to MA :P Aug 01 04:54:53 i need an email Aug 01 04:55:06 mail works Aug 01 04:55:18 ? Aug 01 04:55:36 if i dont get straightned out tomorrow Aug 01 04:55:40 * rooly is going to the store tomorrow for a sim Aug 01 04:55:54 * Chocky will just get a T-Mobile one :p Aug 01 04:56:02 i mean he will mail it right? Aug 01 04:56:06 take the list of SIMs that work to the store with you and ask them if they can look through the deck of cards for one that matches Aug 01 04:56:23 lolol Aug 01 04:56:31 linuxxr: I can't promise anything. I don't even have the guy's name or email. maybe my friend has his card, I can ask tomorrow Aug 01 04:56:40 at least europe dont have sim problems Aug 01 04:56:41 good Aug 01 04:56:46 yay for EU Aug 01 04:56:55 whew put a few fans under my laptop now its down to 150F Aug 01 04:57:03 yay Aug 01 04:57:27 dont put the laptop on your lap Aug 01 04:57:28 guess having an AES encrypted rootfs doesnt help Aug 01 04:57:36 anyone know how hard it is to write a hook that catches certain SMS messages/ Aug 01 04:57:45 I noticed AT&T sends a special SMS when you have a voicemail Aug 01 04:58:01 it appears to be some kind of bit mask... I wonder what the other bits do Aug 01 04:58:16 proly handshake Aug 01 04:58:37 kd8ikt: wow... isn't that a bit extreme? I'm content with my swap being encrypted Aug 01 04:58:52 anything truly sensitive I put on a separate encrypted partition Aug 01 04:58:55 Yanroy: get fso, you'd can even write simple python script for that Aug 01 04:59:11 so who had multiboot setup? Aug 01 04:59:23 anyone with u-boot :p Aug 01 04:59:32 linuxxr: i still have Aug 01 04:59:43 torindel: after my unpleasant experience with ASU, I"m going to stick with 2007.2 until I hear one of the others is stable (or at least more stable) Aug 01 04:59:43 robster! Aug 01 04:59:47 2or 3 file systems? Aug 01 05:00:00 time for me to go to bed... good night all Aug 01 05:00:02 thanks for your help Aug 01 05:00:05 * Chocky wonders if robster remembers him Aug 01 05:00:09 linuxxr: on desktop i usualy have 3-4 fs per hdd -_-;;;;; Aug 01 05:00:21 i mean on the sd Aug 01 05:00:25 on sd 2 Aug 01 05:00:31 * Yanroy usually has 3 or 4 hdd per fs Aug 01 05:00:39 fat+ext2 Aug 01 05:00:44 2007.2 an qutopia? Aug 01 05:00:53 wups Aug 01 05:01:08 night Aug 01 05:01:16 linuxxr: everything works with multiboot Aug 01 05:01:31 tryied 2007.2, qtopia, asu, fso Aug 01 05:01:32 ok, I grabbed opkg-cl and libopkg from a GTK image, and FSO opkg is working now Aug 01 05:01:39 have agod night all Aug 01 05:01:46 night feydreva Aug 01 05:02:04 so i can opkg ok? Aug 01 05:02:21 woo!!!! Aug 01 05:02:25 it compiles!!! Aug 01 05:03:10 my phone is compiling stuff! Aug 01 05:03:46 g++? Aug 01 05:03:49 yeah Aug 01 05:03:55 danged Aug 01 05:03:56 that's so awesome! :D Aug 01 05:04:13 where are the size_t things located? Aug 01 05:05:07 so its not just a flashlight Aug 01 05:05:58 what dev package is stdarg.h in Aug 01 05:06:41 rooly: dpkg -S stdarg.h Aug 01 05:07:36 rooly: libstdc++6-4.2-dev, gcc-3.4, gcc-4.2 on my ubuntu machine Aug 01 05:07:43 same Aug 01 05:07:50 now just need to find it for openmoko Aug 01 05:08:02 :D Aug 01 05:09:13 none... Aug 01 05:09:18 anyone successfully booting from SD? Aug 01 05:10:12 undrwater: yes, but on Neo1973 Aug 01 05:10:52 mmontour: do you have freerunner too? Aug 01 05:11:28 Not yet. However, SD-booting is quite similar on the two platforms. Aug 01 05:11:32 why cant the bootloader reside elswhere Aug 01 05:11:49 mmontour: what's your partitioning scheme? Aug 01 05:11:52 i guess it does Aug 01 05:12:11 Single ext3 partition on a 2G card Aug 01 05:12:44 and your u-boot command? Aug 01 05:14:46 I don't have access to my phone right now so I can't paste the exact command. Aug 01 05:15:09 mmontour: did you add anything special? Aug 01 05:15:30 and is uImage.bin under the /boot dir? Aug 01 05:15:56 there my phone just hooked to at&t again Aug 01 05:16:15 linuxxr: does it register as "roaming"? Aug 01 05:16:19 all i did was plug the usb cord in Aug 01 05:16:22 IIRC /boot/uImage.bin is a symlink pointing to /boot/uImage-2.6.24 (or whatever gets installed by the kernel .ipk) Aug 01 05:16:27 no Aug 01 05:17:39 mmontour: so did you install the kernel using opkg to SD? Aug 01 05:17:55 undrwater: if you read the "How it works" section of the "Booting from SD" page and look at some of the examples on that page, you should be able to come up with a command sequence that works for whatever configuration you're using. Aug 01 05:18:27 i'm looking at it now...so i'm sure i can...just trying to figure out the mechanics Aug 01 05:18:59 this is rather funny Aug 01 05:19:14 hey, I've opkg install task-openmoko-games, and it worked fine but I can't seem to find any of the icons for the new stuff any suggestions where they would be? I using qtopia. Aug 01 05:19:20 I have MokoMakefile set up to build packages on my PC, and I "opkg upgrade" the Neo from that repository. There is a kernel package that gets updated as part of that process Aug 01 05:19:21 i just realised, the openmoko kernel is on 2.6, where slackware uses 2.4 by default still Aug 01 05:19:48 noooo Aug 01 05:20:02 12.0 Aug 01 05:20:08 rooly: ARMed Slack doesn't. Aug 01 05:20:15 ic Aug 01 05:20:20 cc Aug 01 05:20:25 hmm Aug 01 05:20:26 gcc Aug 01 05:20:48 hmm Aug 01 05:20:59 i'm afraid to test my wifi with a reboot Aug 01 05:21:05 fnar, opkg upgrade breaks FSO II Aug 01 05:21:15 burn an iso Aug 01 05:24:35 mmontour: did you use ext3load? Aug 01 05:24:52 ext2load (works for ext2 or ext3) Aug 01 05:25:22 are .jffs and .jffs.summary the same thing? Aug 01 05:25:31 because it kinda looks like it Aug 01 05:25:37 jffs.summary is faster to mount Aug 01 05:25:46 based on timestamp and ... oh Aug 01 05:25:51 note that you need a new u-boot (20080723 or later) for ext2load to work. Aug 01 05:26:04 * rooly grublmes Aug 01 05:26:08 how do i update uboot? Aug 01 05:26:14 hrm Aug 01 05:26:38 ozzloy: you can use dfu-util Aug 01 05:27:27 an a battery backup Aug 01 05:27:54 undrwater: what should i specify for -a ? Aug 01 05:28:17 uboot? and do i boot to nand or nor? Aug 01 05:28:25 ozzloy: erm...it's on the wiki somewhere... Aug 01 05:28:47 gimmie a bit...i'm about to update myself Aug 01 05:28:50 my only question: Aug 01 05:29:10 why does this phone not have all the std headers? Aug 01 05:30:04 maybe it's only uclibc? Aug 01 05:30:24 undrwater: it's -a u-boot for the neo 1973, not sure on freerunner Aug 01 05:30:27 probly same Aug 01 05:30:30 no, it's full glibc (should just be a matter of installing the right -dev packages) Aug 01 05:30:47 ozzloy: yeah...i think i remember that that was it Aug 01 05:31:14 i don't see where i can get the newest u-boot though Aug 01 05:31:16 link? Aug 01 05:31:46 buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... Aug 01 05:31:49 mmontour, i tried searching the opkg repository for stdarg.h, and had no luck Aug 01 05:31:56 clear Aug 01 05:32:00 woops Aug 01 05:32:32 that's part of gcc Aug 01 05:32:51 yeah, well i have gcc installed Aug 01 05:32:56 http://xrl.us/omgsb undrwater found the page for it Aug 01 05:32:58 and i don't have stdarg.h Aug 01 05:33:23 or maybe i don't Aug 01 05:33:33 ...never heard of g++ wihtout gcc Aug 01 05:33:48 ozzloy: ah, good! thanx! Aug 01 05:34:29 maybe "libgcc-dev"? I can't access my phone right now to check it Aug 01 05:34:37 nah Aug 01 05:34:50 g++ doesn't seem to depend on gcc Aug 01 05:34:55 which caused the problem Aug 01 05:37:21 rooly: did you install gcc then? Aug 01 05:37:30 yes Aug 01 05:37:37 and i no longer get that problem Aug 01 05:37:43 but now i get this error: Aug 01 05:37:55 g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory Aug 01 05:38:32 install binutils? Aug 01 05:39:07 oy... Aug 01 05:39:15 * rooly is just so used to a compiling-ready linux distro Aug 01 05:39:51 w00t Aug 01 05:40:12 right Aug 01 05:40:14 bed time Aug 01 05:40:20 when i wake up, this should be phone-compiled Aug 01 05:43:06 test Aug 01 05:43:36 hola whitby Aug 01 05:43:51 just got my freerunner in the mail..... Aug 01 05:43:58 goodnight everyone Aug 01 05:44:35 I am really having trouble getting it to talk to the computer. Aug 01 05:44:53 it's the morning here, good morning everyone ;) Aug 01 05:44:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking? Aug 01 05:45:10 thank kd8 Aug 01 05:45:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Overview Aug 01 05:45:45 those two pages should keep you occupied for a bit Aug 01 05:45:55 i'll say..... Aug 01 05:45:56 lol Aug 01 05:46:24 I am using a Mac and saw the Mac ports wiki.... also have Ubuntu on VMWare Aug 01 05:46:40 It is pretty challenging at the moment.... Aug 01 05:46:55 oh so you're using osx Aug 01 05:47:04 yes Aug 01 05:47:22 I got all gummed up tryin to install freeports Aug 01 05:47:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking Aug 01 05:47:41 <---- used to feel smart, but this project has challenged me. Aug 01 05:47:53 oh yeah its beast Aug 01 05:48:00 a beast* Aug 01 05:48:17 oh that is a very helpful page. thank you... Aug 01 05:49:33 I wanted to flash qtopia, but have not passed first base. Aug 01 05:50:04 (singing a fav meatloaf song.....) STOP RIGHT THERE..... Aug 01 05:51:08 heh dork Aug 01 05:53:14 bork bork dork bork! Aug 01 05:54:45 ll Aug 01 05:56:23 whit! fix your internetz Aug 01 05:57:25 $ sudo rmmod swedish_chef_internet_filter Aug 01 05:57:50 Is there a way to browse the projects at freshmeat.net to show only python? browsing by python shows you stuff written using C and other langs as well Aug 01 05:58:41 what is Htop? i clicked on it a while ago and still nothing Aug 01 05:59:04 http://htop.sourceforge.net/htop-0.5.png Aug 01 05:59:09 ozzloy: open it in terminal Aug 01 05:59:49 torindel: but there's an icon for it T_T (/me tries in terminal) Aug 01 06:00:34 ozzloy: icon where? Aug 01 06:02:59 zash: fso milestone2 Aug 01 06:03:09 oh Aug 01 06:04:36 ozzloy: somebody just forgot to start it in terminal -__-; Aug 01 06:05:08 torindel: T_T Aug 01 06:05:09 anybody use tangogps here? Aug 01 06:05:19 i am curious abuot hte firends feature but i dont know how to use it Aug 01 06:05:22 htop is neato Aug 01 06:05:36 does it require the phone to be connected to the internet? Aug 01 06:06:10 orz1: internet connection would help when downloading maps Aug 01 06:06:17 well Aug 01 06:06:24 i just cache mine onto my flash card Aug 01 06:06:49 anyone tried qemu on x86_64 with gcc 4.x lately? Aug 01 06:06:56 so i connect to the internet at home via usb from my computer and get maps and then go without internet when i'm away from home Aug 01 06:07:17 torindel: no. only to build with gcc-3 Aug 01 06:07:24 but how does it publish my position? via the internet? or via some sms messaging scheme? Aug 01 06:07:28 how do i stop htop? how do i ctrl-c? Aug 01 06:07:37 or ctrl-d or ctrl anything? Aug 01 06:07:39 Bish: whats best 3.4? Aug 01 06:07:53 orz1: afaik, no publishing of position? Aug 01 06:08:27 torindel: latest gcc-3 Aug 01 06:08:40 let me 3.4.6-r2 Aug 01 06:08:46 http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Screenshots <-- see the "Friends" feature. That is what i'm refering to. Maybe its unimplemented though Aug 01 06:08:57 torindel: u want the sources ? Aug 01 06:09:41 seriously, is there a way to press multiple keys? Aug 01 06:10:05 orz1: that looks like an optional feature for registerd users Aug 01 06:12:26 orz1: and probably goes over gprs/http Aug 01 06:12:34 Bish: compiling gcc already Aug 01 06:12:43 orz1: but iduno Aug 01 06:12:47 mickey|zzZZzz: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713 Aug 01 06:13:29 ozzloy: fso-m2? Aug 01 06:13:58 !seen mickey|zzZZzz Aug 01 06:13:59 torindel, mickey|zzZZzz is right here! Aug 01 06:14:13 * torindel slams cdbot2 Aug 01 06:14:38 ~rape cdbot2 Aug 01 06:14:38 * apt_ takes cdbot2 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Aug 01 06:21:31 in the tangogps screen, it says there are 8/0 satellites. What does the 0 denominator signify? Aug 01 06:26:49 i do not like git Aug 01 06:29:37 orz1: gpsdata->satellites / gpsdata->satellites_used Aug 01 06:29:59 * torindel backups his moko Aug 01 06:30:13 lindi-: sounds backwards Aug 01 06:30:40 used/total would have been more logical Aug 01 06:30:42 zash: bit Aug 01 06:32:49 used dont sound to well either since those are sats that are in antena range (availble?) -__-; Aug 01 06:33:18 here is a dumb question. Aug 01 06:33:29 how do i send commands, like *#111# ? Aug 01 06:33:35 Guilt: you dont Aug 01 06:33:50 unless you want to do it by hand from terminal Aug 01 06:34:32 hm? Aug 01 06:34:50 torindel: do i just dial *#111# ? Aug 01 06:36:01 for instance, i'm interested in finding out my available balance, Aug 01 06:36:04 Guilt: stuff like checking balance on prepaid cards? Aug 01 06:36:08 ah Aug 01 06:36:08 yeah Aug 01 06:36:13 how do i get those info messages? Aug 01 06:36:24 good question Aug 01 06:39:29 i dont think that it is implemented above the serial interface Aug 01 06:39:40 (to the gsm modem) Aug 01 06:40:23 well? Aug 01 06:41:15 i said it didnt work Aug 01 06:41:26 you can talk to modem directly about that Aug 01 06:41:52 is it ATD or some other command? Aug 01 06:42:52 zash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSD Aug 01 06:47:32 aha! Aug 01 06:47:42 http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Visual_Basic/VB_Script/Q_23017550.html Aug 01 06:48:21 VBß Aug 01 06:48:26 wtf Aug 01 06:48:34 AT+CUSD=1,something Aug 01 06:48:36 it seems Aug 01 06:49:56 AT+CUSD=1,"*#111#",15 Aug 01 06:51:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Advanced_Airtime_Tracking Aug 01 06:51:35 :D Aug 01 06:53:22 heh, yay, the phone somehow failed to charge over usb and when i was working in the console it suddenly turned off and appears to be deep-discharged Aug 01 06:55:10 bummer Aug 01 06:55:47  hey, I've opkg install task-openmoko-games, and it worked fine but I can't seem to find any of the icons for the new stuff any suggestions where they would be? I'm using qtopia Aug 01 06:55:53 eh... on the plus side i 2 spare nokia phones, 1 with bl-4c and 1 with bl-5c ... sadly, i don't have the wall charger here, heh Aug 01 06:56:26 not is it the phone or the cable or the computer usb port? Aug 01 06:56:38 good morning Aug 01 06:57:19 not = now Aug 01 06:57:20 moin Aug 01 06:57:32 railer: try rebooting moko? Aug 01 06:57:45 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r00c27eb2887c 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch Aug 01 06:57:46 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rd872d1ffdbba 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch Aug 01 06:57:46 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r5ebb764a8bfb 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch Aug 01 06:59:43 no just reboot qtopia Aug 01 07:03:31 * zash added a little about USSD to [[Hardware:AT_Commands]] Aug 01 07:05:19 any idea why i can't ping machines in the LAN with usb networking? tcpdump on the moko shows it receives a reply but the ping program does not see it: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ping-trouble1.tcpdump Aug 01 07:05:29 nope reboot did nothing still can't find my games Aug 01 07:07:57 zash: we should just make one long page with all standard docs and add examples if doc doesnt have it Aug 01 07:13:00 naja muss ich wenigstens nicht giessen Aug 01 07:19:14 sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 giving me SIOCSIFADDR: No such device that's new any suggestions? Aug 01 07:19:16 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc9982d25fc70 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch Aug 01 07:27:33 any suggestions on the usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, I've done the usb dozens of times never seen that one Aug 01 07:28:42 railer: on moko or on desktop? Aug 01 07:29:12 desktop tring to connect to moko via usb Aug 01 07:29:48 railer: you haven't removed anything from the kernel? Aug 01 07:30:02 no Aug 01 07:30:24 new qtopia w/ upgrade-update Aug 01 07:30:37 add games package, rebooted Aug 01 07:30:47 before reboot fine Aug 01 07:31:14 railer: does it show up in lsusb? Aug 01 07:32:04 no Aug 01 07:32:53 railer: ok, then it must be moko side issue Aug 01 07:33:08 sorry, i don't understand usb host support in linux yet :/ Aug 01 07:34:54 damn thing was working fine an hour ago Aug 01 07:37:32 hm I tried to lock screen for the first time and it worked, but after I unlocked, I'm not able to lock it anymore. anyone had this kind of problem? Aug 01 07:37:41 yup Aug 01 07:37:51 any workaround? Aug 01 07:37:54 anyone try using a "y usb cable" to pull 1A from a computer? Aug 01 07:37:58 the little icon wont move up Aug 01 07:38:31 a friend of mine has the worst moko issue ever Aug 01 07:38:44 they shot it? Aug 01 07:38:44 someone stole his moko before he even got it. Aug 01 07:38:53 :) Aug 01 07:39:32 selling stolen openmoko might be tricky? Aug 01 07:39:34 well phone the company and get the mac address shipped to him, then watch ebay it will show up Aug 01 07:39:54 hehe, yeah, just imagine the guy who stole it when he tried to figure out what it was Aug 01 07:40:01 imei? Aug 01 07:40:19 must have thought it was the worst phone ever :) Aug 01 07:40:23 it's probably already at a pawn shop or in the trash Aug 01 07:40:36 maybe the mokos should be shipped with gps active :) Aug 01 07:41:04 hrm, i wish i could figure out what's wrong with my networking Aug 01 07:44:18 wtf ? Aug 01 07:44:29 dudes we need remote gps tangomaps set up to beat this stuff Aug 01 07:44:38 openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc87c058db789 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch Aug 01 07:44:50 oh and my moko isn't usb networking any more -- i take it this is a known issue ? Aug 01 07:45:09 lol that's what they should call this phone the "Openmoko WTF?" Aug 01 07:45:15 moin Aug 01 07:45:31 railer: its great i have debian chrooted so i have some fecking software rofl Aug 01 07:45:59 are the update repos for the development images finally shipping working kernels again ? or does opkg upgrade still break all shit= Aug 01 07:46:22 ieatlint, hehe yeah, i told my friend to wait, he will find it broken floating in the thems since the guy who stole it won't even get it to boot ;0 Aug 01 07:46:27 well starting to think it's killing usb Aug 01 07:47:36 I think I'm going to have to flash this whore again Aug 01 07:50:13 good morning Aug 01 07:53:40 yeah ah did the most recent uodate kill any one elses usb networking ? Aug 01 07:54:02 yuppers! Aug 01 07:54:21 HE'S DEAD JIM! Aug 01 07:54:27 next it will be wifi and then we will be jailed Aug 01 07:54:31 as opposed to jailbroken Aug 01 07:54:45 * dbmoodb_ oddly enough my wifi isn't working atm either Aug 01 07:55:13 from what i heard the latest image has some kernel stuff modulized Aug 01 07:55:26 wait its working---- so we should modprobe usb blah ? Aug 01 07:55:38 i dunno Aug 01 07:56:06 have you updated yours ? Aug 01 07:56:17 can you go lsmod and check for any usb networking related things Aug 01 07:57:11 yes just updated and rebooted, usb is now gone Aug 01 07:57:20 http://pastebin.com/d284e289b Aug 01 07:58:58 ha you have ipv6 nice Aug 01 07:59:15 wait where did yo uget the from ? Aug 01 07:59:36 what ipv6? opkg install kernel-module-ipv6 Aug 01 07:59:36 i can't see anything different really ... Aug 01 07:59:53 kd8ikt: any tunneling software yet ? Aug 01 08:00:06 tunnel is on my openwrt router Aug 01 08:00:14 phone is connected to it Aug 01 08:00:34 yeah but for those of us who are running svn x-wrt on their devices -- and don't have the module ... Aug 01 08:01:41 xwrt :P wasted ram on httpd Aug 01 08:01:52 Does anyone know how to be sure the battery is charging from the command line ? Aug 01 08:02:14 apm Aug 01 08:02:16 apm Aug 01 08:02:22 damn it Aug 01 08:02:32 wait Ainulindale youre joking right? Aug 01 08:02:41 yeah apm shows that if you plug it into the computer it is no longer charging -- for me Aug 01 08:02:44 Why would I joke ? Aug 01 08:03:09 you fricken make kernel patches right? Aug 01 08:03:19 Maybe in one of my other lives Aug 01 08:03:26 it says its "online" Aug 01 08:03:32 (Or one of my secret identities) Aug 01 08:03:33 (But no) Aug 01 08:03:52 * dbmoodb_ wtf ? fun Aug 01 08:04:44 ahoi Aug 01 08:05:13 again! are the repos for the dev images finally free of the broken kernel upgrades? Aug 01 08:05:23 i dont want to brick to phone again just to figure Aug 01 08:05:28 I just left it plugged the whole night and it's at 25%. Hmpf. Aug 01 08:05:54 Ainulindale: sounds like your usb-port power supply is too weak Aug 01 08:06:03 yes it look like the lasest upgrade might be a little wonkie Aug 01 08:06:19 railer: so its still broken? Aug 01 08:06:30 is there any way to exclude the kernel upgrade? Aug 01 08:06:35 ronny: it was charging quite nicely before Aug 01 08:06:41 lost usb and maybe ability to charge Aug 01 08:06:52 And I don't use the latest upgrade Aug 01 08:06:55 I'm on FSO MS2. Aug 01 08:07:01 I've been charging all day at 88% and dropping Aug 01 08:07:08 railer: its charging alright from the ac adaptor Aug 01 08:08:07 w00t gcc is not actually symlinked Aug 01 08:08:09 not off my usb, it's not charging Aug 01 08:08:41 railer: off usb isn't not charging if you plug it into a computer --- it just says "online" Aug 01 08:09:26 it charges off my usb, i've NEVER used my wall outlet Aug 01 08:09:36 or at least it use to Aug 01 08:10:02 Ok I just plugged the battery out and in again, and now it's charging nicely. Aug 01 08:10:17 I did check some things before : apm for 5 minutes, no change Aug 01 08:10:23 ANd there in one minute it took 2%. Aug 01 08:10:26 Weird then. Aug 01 08:10:26 mines not Aug 01 08:10:59 and no usb network connection Aug 01 08:11:05 hmm, is there any usable gps routing software for the openmoko Aug 01 08:11:17 (tile-map based stuff aint exactly usefull there Aug 01 08:11:24 define usable Aug 01 08:11:59 hi ah where are contacts stored on the actual phone ? Aug 01 08:12:07 dbmoodb_: depends on the distro Aug 01 08:12:10 FSO : no storing right now Aug 01 08:12:18 2007.2 : in EDS (.evolution) Aug 01 08:12:20 grr, the mini-A connector from atmel does not fit to freerunner. i wish usb was really universal :) Aug 01 08:12:23 railer: usable = can be used for pathfinding Aug 01 08:12:31 ronny: navit ? Aug 01 08:12:39 the default one -- so in .evolution then ? Aug 01 08:12:51 tango maybe Aug 01 08:13:19 dbmoodb_: yep Aug 01 08:13:22 railer: tango isnt practical for pathfinding at all Aug 01 08:13:29 tango doesn't do pathfinding Aug 01 08:13:36 * Stroller yawns & stretches Aug 01 08:13:42 Morning, all Aug 01 08:13:46 Ainulindale: is there any package source? Aug 01 08:13:49 hey Stroller Aug 01 08:13:54 ah well then no Aug 01 08:14:02 navit is for pathfinding Aug 01 08:14:13 Hey, Bish. How's things? Aug 01 08:14:14 though i dunno how well it works in its current state Aug 01 08:15:00 ronny: there's an ipk I think Aug 01 08:16:13 well reflashing Aug 01 08:18:45 how do i create a package repository for my neo? Aug 01 08:19:20 if you used bitbake Aug 01 08:19:23 bitbake package-index Aug 01 08:19:40 and copy the deply/glibc/ipk//* on a webserver directory Aug 01 08:19:48 And put the URL to that directory on your feeds Aug 01 08:19:51 As simple as that Aug 01 08:20:46 i said "bitbake help" trying to get usage info and its doing a bunch of stuff Aug 01 08:20:57 bitbake --help Aug 01 08:20:59 or -h Aug 01 08:20:59 32% complete doing idunno what Aug 01 08:21:07 shoudl i stop it? Aug 01 08:21:13 You should :-) Aug 01 08:21:16 hmm Aug 01 08:21:23 i should set up my own repo Aug 01 08:21:31 * ronny gets the bitbake howtos Aug 01 08:21:56 ronnny: if you get gps to work with navit, let me know :) Aug 01 08:24:18 ronny, where are you looking for those howtos Aug 01 08:25:12 opkg upgrade broke my ASU once again :( Aug 01 08:25:31 i thought they nuked the package that made everything go crazy? Aug 01 08:27:48 is tehre a single wiki page that talks about ASU, 2007.2, qtopia and whatever other images are available Aug 01 08:28:25 Zorkman Guess not Aug 01 08:28:46 question mark Aug 01 08:31:32 is there a gui available for wireless? Aug 01 08:32:11 a few of em actually Aug 01 08:32:25 mofi wifi lint-wifi some other named one Aug 01 08:32:44 anyone else updated the kernel in the last few hrs? my phones not charging, or picking up an IP over usb Aug 01 08:32:50 lint-wifi is pretty pimp dont think its a fullblown ipkg yet though Aug 01 08:32:54 and thats a bad thing :( Aug 01 08:33:10 have you plugged it into the AC charger? Aug 01 08:33:38 no, into the usb port i've charged it from the last few times Aug 01 08:33:43 * Kamping_Kaiser doesnt have an ac charger yet Aug 01 08:33:45 reflashed NO upgrade, usb fine, battery charging again Aug 01 08:36:30 railer, you had the same problem? Aug 01 08:36:44 ya Aug 01 08:37:08 last upgrade fried the usb Aug 01 08:37:18 railer: Aug 01 08:37:37 ya Aug 01 08:38:07 you should do after the opkg upgrade, but BEFORE reboot: Aug 01 08:38:07 opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether Aug 01 08:38:38 depmod Aug 01 08:38:43 railer, bugger. i'll try reinstalling the kernel then i guess Aug 01 08:38:52 so do the one then the other, right? Aug 01 08:39:52 i want to create a repository for opkg. I guess opkg repositories are hosted via http? Ok. I guess I am supposed to upload a bunch of packages to my webserver and put along with a package index. Any particular layout? How do i generate the package index? Aug 01 08:40:33 a nice url would be appreciated Aug 01 08:40:37 orz1, looks to me like its just a flat directory with all your packages in it. then generate Packages[,gz] Aug 01 08:41:18 what exactly does bitbake package-index do? Aug 01 08:41:26 http://www.indamixx.com/ Aug 01 08:42:44 wow latest om-dev is pimp a lot of cosmetic updates Aug 01 08:43:10 * kd8ikt just flashed his latest built jffs and kern Aug 01 08:43:29 which distro kd8ikt? Aug 01 08:43:35 maybe i should plop a few screenshots on scap here in a sec Aug 01 08:44:56 will the FR charge turned off ? that should work around any OS issues shouldnt it? Aug 01 08:45:42 screens would be nice kd8ikt Aug 01 08:46:09 hey checkit out now scap.linuxtogo Aug 01 08:46:46 that lil aux menu just takes up a lil corner Aug 01 08:47:07 the theme has been streamlined 3d look Aug 01 08:48:06 url? Aug 01 08:48:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4571 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/communication_qtopia-phone-x11-qtmail.png: Update the qtmail thumbnail Aug 01 08:48:29 for what Aug 01 08:50:26 hey checkit out now scap.linuxtogo , i guesed you were trying to show us some screenshots Aug 01 08:50:43 http://scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 01 08:53:43 hello Aug 01 08:53:57 can somebody help me with compilation of openmoko on debian? Aug 01 08:54:04 i have a specific problem Aug 01 08:55:02 whats your problem Aug 01 08:56:09 ok, i cannot build webkit Aug 01 08:56:11 openmoko-agpsui says 150 dBm as the signal level, does this mean that i should apply the gps fix? Aug 01 08:56:33 appear an error with libtool Aug 01 08:56:56 than i have removed the package and now i can't download that Aug 01 08:57:11 appear "404 Not Found" Aug 01 08:57:25 wtf, the FSO background screen is copyrighted Aug 01 08:57:58 http://www.indamixx.com/ Aug 01 08:58:10 looks pretty neat Aug 01 08:58:14 running linux Aug 01 08:59:06 Zorkman: the license makes a difference, not the copyright Aug 01 08:59:15 ah k Aug 01 08:59:33 anybody knows what i have to do? Aug 01 09:05:27 Anybody feel like helping me with a routine wiki cleanup task? Aug 01 09:06:33 If so, I'm trying to make the Community Category page readable/useful by weeding out some junk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Community Aug 01 09:07:22 In particular, I'm going to each of the zillion Openmoko Local Group pages and deleting Category:Community so that the Local group pages are only listed in the Category "Openmoko Local Groups" and not also "Community" Aug 01 09:07:43 This will help make the Category:Community page actually readable. Aug 01 09:07:51 bri4nwc: you should discuss this on -documentation first Aug 01 09:08:00 because all that cruft will be elsewhere Aug 01 09:09:34 morning ;) Aug 01 09:09:40 anyone working with Erlang on the FR? Aug 01 09:10:55 morning ecraven Aug 01 09:13:47 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4572 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (3 files): Add more thumbnails for Qtopia-phone-x11 Aug 01 09:19:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4573 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (2 files): Aug 01 09:19:20 openmoko: Renamed the thumbnail Aug 01 09:19:20 openmoko: qtopia-phone-x11-dailer to communication_qtopia-phone-x11-dailer Aug 01 09:20:19 hi, can someone plese help me with this Mokomakefile-error? Aug 01 09:20:21 You don't have permission to access /daily/freerunner/200807/ on this server. Aug 01 09:20:25 http://rafb.net/p/4k0heE80.html Aug 01 09:21:04 is it just me or has the buildhost changed its folder structure Aug 01 09:21:16 nope, it changed Aug 01 09:21:23 daily-feed is gone Aug 01 09:22:03 * Zorkman was about to flash... Aug 01 09:22:48 Im rebuilding from scratch Aug 01 09:22:53 will be back in about 16 hours Aug 01 09:24:11 flash is running on the FreeRunner? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c655c0be12da7260f8d49447b6b18c86.png Aug 01 09:24:37 nice Aug 01 09:25:04 That'll be gnash :) Aug 01 09:26:40 hey whats that cool draw program i saw on the recent scap screenshots? Aug 01 09:27:30 you're not talking about numptyphiscs are you? (that is a game) Aug 01 09:28:03 oh noshit? Aug 01 09:28:07 ah, there also was a drawing program: mtPaint 3 Aug 01 09:28:15 (it says mtPaint 3. Aug 01 09:28:26 yeah but i'm unimpressed with mtpaint Aug 01 09:28:29 "mtPaint 3...." i mean Aug 01 09:29:59 hi Aug 01 09:30:37 what's up with the repositority? I get 403 errors when trying to opkg update. Aug 01 09:30:38 hi Aug 01 09:33:03 jopkg: maybe it has something to do with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ reorganizing (at least that's what i think they're ding...) Aug 01 09:34:44 ok, maybe it works in the afternoon Aug 01 09:38:45 yeah jopk i think they just changed it like 15min ago Aug 01 09:39:03 i was in the middle of a fricken upgrade too Aug 01 09:39:18 then suddenly "cant download" :P Aug 01 09:39:29 i coulda swpre it was working minuntes before Aug 01 09:39:42 is this mailing list still available ? openmoko-apps@lists.openmoko.org Aug 01 09:39:42 seconds even Aug 01 09:42:28 never heard of it... Aug 01 09:42:31 try it out... Aug 01 09:44:14 yayyayaya! the aussie power adaptors have arrived \o/ Aug 01 09:47:16 are there builds of lint-wifi anywhere? Aug 01 09:48:01 its not too tough to build Aug 01 09:48:16 if you have the prebuilt toolchain Aug 01 09:48:30 i could try building it for you Aug 01 09:48:33 does the openmoko buildd being offline mean i wont be able to get fixed packages for the USB bug? Aug 01 09:48:49 kd8ikt: I don't yet unfortunately Aug 01 09:49:09 * pabs3 tries mofi in the meantime Aug 01 09:49:47 Hmm - buildhost daily images seem to have disappeared ... Aug 01 09:49:58 yeah i thought you did that! Aug 01 09:50:11 it went down like minutes ago Aug 01 09:50:19 how can I check how much space is left on my freerunner? Aug 01 09:50:24 rwhitby, hello Aug 01 09:50:26 not yet, got distracted by downloading OSM data and the matchbox keyboard Aug 01 09:50:28 i was in the middle of a freakin pkg upgrade and it destroyed my setup Aug 01 09:50:34 jopk: df -h in a terminal Aug 01 09:50:51 * kd8ikt is now reflashing rootfs Aug 01 09:51:04 lucky for me i have my own lil repo Aug 01 09:51:11 hi Aug 01 09:51:19 pabs3, thx Aug 01 09:51:26 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1 Aug 01 09:51:50 fresh pkgs from this morning Aug 01 09:52:14 kd8ikt, how do you maintain it? maintain a mirror of the main system somehow? Aug 01 09:52:26 no i just did a mokomake Aug 01 09:52:31 ah Aug 01 09:53:20 and its on my dsl server so dont expect lightning speeds or support esp of more then 2-3 are using it at a time Aug 01 09:53:34 Kamping_Kaiser: hi Aug 01 09:53:45 700kbps up gets drained rather quickly Aug 01 09:53:49 argh, mofi ipkg sucks, no dep on python-gtk Aug 01 09:54:04 Kamping_Kaiser: I will be at lunch tomorrow Aug 01 09:54:05 yeah he didnt setup dependencies Aug 01 09:54:12 when he built the ipkg Aug 01 09:54:31 where do I get python gtk from? Aug 01 09:54:51 Kamping_Kaiser: what images should I put on the GTA02 and GTA01 for tomorrow? Aug 01 09:54:55 rwhitby, sweet. i'm looking forward to it. Aug 01 09:55:26 rwhitby, i was thinking perhaps the qtopia one(s?). they'll get to see plenty of the stock image, so perhaps something a bit different for 'show and tell' Aug 01 09:55:40 kd8ikt: I like the kenny to unlock the phone :) Aug 01 09:55:48 yeah its pimp Aug 01 09:55:49 Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that's why I was asking Aug 01 09:56:04 Now to find such images ... Aug 01 09:56:16 round it Aug 01 09:56:16 Hey. Is there any change with daily builds? I haven't got anything to upgrade for two days already... Aug 01 09:56:33 Kamping_Kaiser: How about FSO on one? Aug 01 09:56:34 rwhitby, i've spent all my time on the stock (plus its updates), so i cant suggest anything particular i'm afraid (i just lent my 'toy' phone to a mate) Aug 01 09:56:51 rwhitby, ok Aug 01 09:56:59 I've got "You don't have permission to access /daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz on this server." why? Any tips? Aug 01 09:57:12 the server directory layout is changing Aug 01 09:57:22 Oh. So it's intentional, right? Aug 01 09:57:55 that's my guess Aug 01 09:58:44 Is there someone else with the sim-card problem? Aug 01 09:59:01 Kamping_Kaiser: the "practice disassembly" GTA01 should be good fun Aug 01 09:59:21 kd8ikt: where are those images stored? can't find them in /usr/shaer/pixmaps Aug 01 09:59:22 allows people to get the feel of opening it completely up before ever needing to Aug 01 09:59:22 oh hai who wanted that lint wifi build? Aug 01 09:59:32 /usr/share/neod ? Aug 01 09:59:39 ^--lock screen Aug 01 09:59:48 * pabs3 does! Aug 01 09:59:53 rwhitby, actually, thats probably one of the things i'm looiking forward to most. will you bring along a debug board? i have one, but the calbe looks a bit fragile to lug around for simple show'n'tell Aug 01 09:59:54 thanks! Aug 01 10:00:11 * Zorkman also does, but only if you don't have to build it again, but if yo have it lying around.. Aug 01 10:00:21 * Kamping_Kaiser found an awsome neod bug. (press aux, and it backgrounds the screen lock) Aug 01 10:00:28 http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1/lint-wifi/ Aug 01 10:00:42 Kamping_Kaiser: I left it at work, but can pick it up on the way if you really want it. I wouldn't bring the cable though, since it's had lots of insertion cycles already so I need to treat it carefully Aug 01 10:00:48 fallow the wiki pages instructions for install Aug 01 10:01:08 ike: i hope they fix it soon, i want to install gps-utils Aug 01 10:01:18 rwhitby, i'm tossing up wether its going to be interesting enough for people. all they could really do is look at it i suppose Aug 01 10:01:54 Kamping_Kaiser: if ever anyone needs a devirginate, I'm set up to do it in Waymouth Street during working hours. Aug 01 10:02:20 (that would be an interesting statement taken out of context ...) Aug 01 10:02:26 yes,, it would Aug 01 10:02:27 fg Aug 01 10:02:29 :| Aug 01 10:02:35 lindi: ;-) yea. But I haven't seen any mail about it at lists.openmoko.org. Aug 01 10:02:48 rwhitby, cool. i'm still trying to find a safe place to store mine (hopefully i never use it, but y' know ...) Aug 01 10:03:14 rwhitby, btw, some clues about flashing uboot would be cool ( i cant make head or tail of the wiki pages) Aug 01 10:03:19 kd8ikt: stpid questin: do you also have modified north.png and south.png files? because now on top and on the bottom there's still the green background Aug 01 10:03:21 but i can probably ask that tomorrow Aug 01 10:03:23 is there any better way to measure energy consumption than measuring how long it takes for output of "apm" to drop from N to N-1? Aug 01 10:03:31 Kamping_Kaiser: I put the board and the cable in a spare OM pouch when not using it Aug 01 10:04:00 Kamping_Kaiser: have you got a working dfu-util on the host, and the moko in dfu-util mode? Aug 01 10:04:07 rwhitby, do i take it the cable can be bent a lot then? mines still flat - didnt want to risk damaging it Aug 01 10:04:34 Kamping_Kaiser: I leave one end plugged into the debug board, and wrap it around the board lengthways before putting it in the pouch Aug 01 10:04:45 kd8ikt: awesome, thanks Aug 01 10:04:50 rwhitby, i have a working dfu-util, the FR isnt in d-u mode atm - just charging it (i got bitten by the usb problem in the last kernel) Aug 01 10:04:51 the cable itself is quite sturdy - the connectors at the end have limited number of insertions apparently Aug 01 10:04:54 Zorkman: check again Aug 01 10:05:06 thanks! Aug 01 10:05:15 * Kamping_Kaiser moves cable into FR goodies box Aug 01 10:05:30 Kamping_Kaiser: power off, hold in AUX, hold in power, wait 3 secs, release AUX, wait for NOR boot menu, release power. Aug 01 10:07:21 Kamping_Kaiser: I usually plug my neo into my arm-based router or NSLU2 to flash it. Aug 01 10:08:34 kd8ikt: where might I find out how to install those? Aug 01 10:08:52 rwhitby, i think the neo is my only arm device (unless the linksys is as well) Aug 01 10:08:52 I presume it uses pygtk :( Aug 01 10:09:04 Isn't there an Openmoko applications "wish list" ? Aug 01 10:09:09 Kamping_Kaiser: which linksys, and does it have a usb port? Aug 01 10:09:30 rwhitby, WRT54G (wireless router), no usb IIRC Aug 01 10:09:36 pabs3: i forget ieatlint would know he built it check in the top of lint-wifi.py Aug 01 10:09:53 i think its hardcoded to /usr/bin i cant remember Aug 01 10:10:29 Kamping_Kaiser: qtopia or ASU for the second device? Aug 01 10:10:34 I think this is it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List Aug 01 10:10:36 f.ctrl = "/home/root/wpa_lint" Aug 01 10:10:47 rwhitby, let me look at ASU, i'm not sure what it is :) Aug 01 10:11:19 chmod both wpa_lint and lint-wifi.py , put lint-wifi.py in /usr/bin Aug 01 10:11:37 rwhitby, i'm thinking qtopia :) Aug 01 10:11:38 * kd8ikt is writeing instructions on the wiki now Aug 01 10:12:05 anyone got a url for the qtopia image handy? Aug 01 10:19:34 id like a small gyroscopic mouse to attach to the neo and alow me to scroll documents and such by moving the neo as if it were a manifying glass being moved over a document Aug 01 10:20:02 or are the freerunner accelerometers sensitive enough to do that? Aug 01 10:20:06 morning Aug 01 10:20:15 orz1: Probably possible with accelerometers Aug 01 10:21:08 pabs3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi#Beta_Testing Aug 01 10:21:28 it is a bit tricky since you cant detect constant movments Aug 01 10:21:53 You can detect acceleration in certain directions Aug 01 10:22:06 use math to solve the rest i guess... Aug 01 10:22:19 i dont have a freerunner Aug 01 10:22:25 i'm still using a gta01 Aug 01 10:22:38 Hmmm, if you code it i'll try it Aug 01 10:22:47 I dont have the time to try to code anything myself atm Aug 01 10:22:55 me either really Aug 01 10:23:07 flexd: fr has two sensors, so it should detect movments in almost any directions, right? Aug 01 10:23:12 and like i said, i dont have a phoen with accelerometrs Aug 01 10:23:13 kd8ikt: thanks :D Aug 01 10:23:19 Quai: Yes Aug 01 10:23:22 what he means is that constant movement isn't reliably registered Aug 01 10:23:25 kd8ikt: you forgot a wget Aug 01 10:23:50 its a fricken wiki edit it Aug 01 10:23:56 ieatlint: Yes... but you can probably "fake" constant movement with some kind of math based on the data from the two accelerometers. Aug 01 10:24:12 sadly, i doubt it Aug 01 10:24:13 and ieatlint is here hooray Aug 01 10:24:15 kd8ikt: i did, just wanted to let you know..sheez... Aug 01 10:24:20 I dont know, but you can detect when it starts, how fast its moving, and then it stops Aug 01 10:24:27 i hd.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/Aug1/lint-wifi/lint-wifi.py Aug 01 10:24:27 chmod +x lint-wifi.py Aug 01 10:24:32 the two accelerometers tend to report near identical values Aug 01 10:24:41 whoopz pasted again Aug 01 10:24:45 now I just need to get pygtk Aug 01 10:25:05 are the ipkg repo's abck up? Aug 01 10:25:29 the issue is that the accelerometers work on 3 axes Aug 01 10:25:47 they do not detect general motion, but changes on the axes Aug 01 10:26:10 kd8ikt: negatory Aug 01 10:26:45 so if you roll the phone on it's side, the X axis will register it, the Z axis will note the change of orientation for gravity, and the Y axis tends to be the opposite value of X Aug 01 10:26:55 * kd8ikt whispers my site has some pkgs on it Aug 01 10:27:15 now leave me alone i need to play with my freerunner Aug 01 10:27:36 * rwhitby finds latest fso images at http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 Aug 01 10:27:37 * kd8ikt runs away with his fingers in his ears screaming Aug 01 10:27:37 if i hold the phone horizontally, and move it left and right, values change, but not in a predictable way, really just reflecting that i can't hold it still on the X and Y axes, and that gravity isn't 100% constant when moving it so it will fluctuate as well Aug 01 10:28:03 you can conclude there's movement, but not in any direction, nor estimate the distance moved Aug 01 10:28:17 and hey kd8ikt Aug 01 10:28:20 :) Aug 01 10:28:25 ieatlint: someone is doing a GSoC on gestured, so maybe it will be easier whe nhe has finished Aug 01 10:28:46 Guys, I try to get QEMU emulation working. When I flash the emulator with rootfs and friends from here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ which is the default, i get unusable image -- after boot 4 icons in the lower part of the screen and they are not working. Aug 01 10:28:59 I mean pressing them has no effect Aug 01 10:29:01 Zorkman, gestures could work depending on how you do them Aug 01 10:29:32 for instance, move the phone vertically upward and gravity suddenly increases, move it down and it decreases Aug 01 10:29:43 but no way to tell how far you went Aug 01 10:29:45 it will be possible to "train" gestures using (hidden markov model) so in whatever way I will do it, if I train it it should work Aug 01 10:29:50 Prezu: did you go along the lines of http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/blog/posts/openmoko_emulation.html? Aug 01 10:31:08 lindi-: Nope, didn't know about this site. Thanks, just reading :) Aug 01 10:31:41 you could also set the phone to scroll up/down/left/right by doing something like "when the Y axis does this, scroll up" Aug 01 10:32:22 * flexd goes to watch the quality movie "Superhero Movie" Aug 01 10:32:33 lindi-: Can you please take a look at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ Aug 01 10:32:49 i want to create a useless program that forces you to keep it near level (eg, like lying on a table) and the farther you move it from 0 x/y, the vibrator will start and increase in intensity Aug 01 10:33:00 There should be freerunner directory, but there's only "working" dir. Aug 01 10:33:44 Huh, strange Aug 01 10:34:05 heh thats funny ieatlint Aug 01 10:35:16 so the values arent absolute? Aug 01 10:35:39 i dunno i need to play with it more aswell Aug 01 10:35:40 what do you mean? Aug 01 10:35:58 Prezu: yes it's not working Aug 01 10:36:03 Prezu: stopped working a few hours ago Aug 01 10:36:04 eh nothin Aug 01 10:36:56 i've been playing with the accelerometers a lot Aug 01 10:37:06 kd8ikt: hmm, with python-pygtk installed, lint-wifi/mofi both say ImportError: No module named gtk Aug 01 10:37:21 lindi-: But what you are installing (your blog entry) is GTK+. Right? Aug 01 10:37:39 lindi-: Is there usable qtopia image? Aug 01 10:38:15 I guess it's ASU (OpenMoko QTopia) Aug 01 10:38:45 I not familiar with OpenMoko yet, just started playing around with it Aug 01 10:38:45 pabs3: opkg list |grep python |grep gtk Aug 01 10:39:43 Prezu: i don't know. i have stick to gtk (2007.2?) for now Aug 01 10:39:51 er wait pabs3 try python-pygobject Aug 01 10:40:09 lint-wifi doesn't use pygobject Aug 01 10:40:51 it confuses me that import gtk wouldnt work when he has pygtk installed Aug 01 10:41:02 * pabs3 also :) Aug 01 10:41:22 well, its not properly installed :) Aug 01 10:41:45 try reinstalling perhaps Aug 01 10:42:20 or even just type python into the shell, go into the "shell" and try "import gtk" and see what it says... Aug 01 10:42:50 Hello everyone Aug 01 10:43:13 llo Aug 01 10:43:44 Chocky: yes i do. Aug 01 10:44:01 ieatlint: yeah, tried the python shell, it fails to import too Aug 01 10:44:46 looks like it might have be python-pygobject, since opkg install python-pygtk wants to install that too Aug 01 10:44:50 * ieatlint shrugs Aug 01 10:44:55 but the repo is 403 :/ Aug 01 10:45:04 opkg fails me all the time, but it always gives me cryptic errors when it does Aug 01 10:45:52 pabs3: do you know what's wrong with the repo? Aug 01 10:46:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Aug 01 10:46:33 * kd8ikt likes scaredycats Aug 01 10:47:20 El_Senator: no idea, someone said they were reorganising them Aug 01 10:47:45 is someone caring about config mngmnt on the FR? Aug 01 10:48:08 eckhard: config management? Aug 01 10:48:45 pabs3: it's a waiting game then :) Aug 01 10:48:52 had the idea to store some config data on sdcard and make links out of /etc/ to /media/card/ where by flasing the rootfs some defaults would reside Aug 01 10:48:59 lindi-: yes Aug 01 10:49:11 Did anybody emulate the FreeRunner with the latest build on Qemu ? Aug 01 10:49:27 this yould avoid the need to copie the data from sdcard after flashing Aug 01 10:50:45 hello Aug 01 10:50:47 ho Aug 01 10:50:52 CVirus: as in a clean make qemu? Aug 01 10:50:53 see ya Aug 01 10:51:04 zash: I have no clue what are you talking about Aug 01 10:51:13 CVirus: mokomakefile Aug 01 10:51:30 zash: no clue .. never did anything related before Aug 01 10:51:37 pabs3: those instructions worked for me you just need to make sure pygtk installs Aug 01 10:51:40 zash: I'm compiling qemu in the meantime Aug 01 10:51:49 zash: all what I want to do is run the latest OM build Aug 01 10:52:20 i did try whatever 'make qemu' gives some day ago Aug 01 10:52:28 didnt work very well Aug 01 10:52:31 hmm Aug 01 11:07:05 Greetings my fellow geeks! Aug 01 11:07:13 So the openmoko is for sale... is it good? Aug 01 11:07:58 for my value of good :) Aug 01 11:08:28 Kamping_Kaiser: indeed it's good :) Aug 01 11:08:46 is it good enough to show off against an iphone? :) Aug 01 11:08:48 it's a great toy Aug 01 11:08:50 Tm_T, :) hello. good to see you again Aug 01 11:08:57 daedeloth, depends what your trying to show Aug 01 11:09:00 it's not reliable, however, in any way Aug 01 11:09:08 * Kamping_Kaiser finds it somewhat more free, for example Aug 01 11:09:09 Kamping_Kaiser: indeed, long time gone, where have you been hiding, son? Aug 01 11:09:14 daedeloth: yes it is Aug 01 11:09:27 hm "its not reliable"... what do you mean? Aug 01 11:09:36 Tm_T, in the land of RL, and work that pays. Aug 01 11:09:51 Kamping_Kaiser: ah, familiar story, I have same situation Aug 01 11:09:55 daedeloth, in the "hey dude, i tried to call you, but it just went to voicemail" way Aug 01 11:10:05 ieatlint: well I'm about to replace laptop on the road with Neo so... :-P Aug 01 11:10:07 that's not good... Aug 01 11:10:09 * kd8ikt got rid of voicemail Aug 01 11:10:31 Tm_T, i sympathise Aug 01 11:10:33 although with FSO, it's actually pretty decent... since switching to it, no one has told me they couldn't call Aug 01 11:10:55 FS0? Aug 01 11:10:57 sms is another story... although i always get the message, eventually Aug 01 11:11:08 heh Aug 01 11:11:14 there are different images (like linux distros, in a sense), and FSO is one of them Aug 01 11:12:06 Kamping_Kaiser: yup, I got a job, coding, using FOSS, and via Ubuntu contacts, hooray for FOSS communities Aug 01 11:12:37 So, it has wifi, GPS and GPRS... Aug 01 11:12:48 Kamping_Kaiser: and, at some point, we might use Moko sw or Neo hw some way :) Aug 01 11:13:28 plus bluetooth, accelerometers Aug 01 11:13:45 a very accurate battery gauge Aug 01 11:13:54 Tm_T, sweet! nice work. i'm hoping to work 0.8 (4 days a week) so i can keep doing something useful on that spare day Aug 01 11:14:47 Kamping_Kaiser: I had bad luck, got full day job... meh, atleast I got a job so good anyway :) Aug 01 11:15:04 how does it "lay in the hand"? Can you put it in your pocket? Aug 01 11:15:13 Tm_T, hey, its the paid work that lets us hack in what time we have left Aug 01 11:15:21 yeah Aug 01 11:15:24 daedeloth, fits fine in my pocket Aug 01 11:15:34 as to laying in the hand... ask someone else, i'm left handed :P Aug 01 11:15:38 hm, so the only issue left is the price :) Aug 01 11:15:47 daedeloth: about the size of normal phone, perhaps a bit wider Aug 01 11:16:40 is there anybody else with the sim card problem? don't take the sim, can't use the phone to make calls... anyone? Aug 01 11:20:16 Kamping_Kaiser: I'm also bringing two extra charged batteries with me tomorrow. Aug 01 11:21:11 hm, I don't seem to find the price Aug 01 11:21:12 Kamping_Kaiser: Strathfields at TTP had a third-party nokia bl5c charger for $5 :-) Aug 01 11:21:21 how much does this little piece of hardware cost? :) Aug 01 11:21:35 i get /dev/ttySAC1: Permission denied Aug 01 11:22:06 when typing " Aug 01 11:22:06 /dev/ttySAC1 -echo && cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 01 11:22:06 | grep -v ^$ Aug 01 11:22:07 rwhitby, nice find. i think my existing phone may use the same battery, handy for me Aug 01 11:22:30 Kamping_Kaiser: my wife's Nokia refused to charge non-genuine batteries Aug 01 11:22:31 you can't execute /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 01 11:22:49 rwhitby, i havent tried yet, i might try it on sunday night Aug 01 11:23:01 how do i read the data from gps then? andy wrote in a mail: Aug 01 11:23:06 echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron && Aug 01 11:23:06 sleep 1s && echo 1 > Aug 01 11:23:06 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron && stty -F Aug 01 11:23:06 /dev/ttySAC1 -echo && cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ Aug 01 11:24:35 uh, what are you trying to do? Aug 01 11:25:34 ieatlint: the gps never works with navit, I want to try and see if it recieves information at all Aug 01 11:25:39 (al other gps apps work fine) Aug 01 11:29:07 anyone else know how to read the GPS date in through ssh? Aug 01 11:29:29 are you using gpsd? Aug 01 11:30:27 your stty setting manages to screw up the tty seemingly Aug 01 11:30:49 the simplest way to get ssh, is to just cat the tty and grep for 2008 Aug 01 11:30:56 if it has the date, you'll see the lines with it Aug 01 11:31:06 err, to get time in ssh Aug 01 11:32:25 ieatlint: ssh is binary clean if you execute remote command, should work? Aug 01 11:32:28 nm, it wasn't your stty setting... thought it seemed innocuous Aug 01 11:32:54 lindi-, sorry, mind rephrasing that? Aug 01 11:33:20 hey whats responsible for swaping alsa states? Aug 01 11:33:26 ieatlint: that "ssh host cmd" won't involve any ttys on remote side Aug 01 11:33:27 fso seems to screw with the tty, since it worked until it was fully started Aug 01 11:33:33 kd8ikt: alsactl Aug 01 11:33:42 kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 01 11:33:47 lindi-, it'll still have a tty, just no environment Aug 01 11:34:48 * rwhitby is still trying to work out how to reboot a gta02 running fso/zhone ... Aug 01 11:34:49 ieatlint: 'ssh phoenix sleep 5555' and sleep does not have a tty. $ ps -eo tty,cmd | grep sleep Aug 01 11:34:53 ? sleep 5555 Aug 01 11:35:08 hmmm Aug 01 11:35:17 indeed it would appear i am wrong Aug 01 11:35:18 ieatlint: it's stdin,stdout,stderr are connected to socket:[383247] Aug 01 11:35:25 ieatlint: and not /dev/pts/something Aug 01 11:35:35 i'm surprised to see it running in ssh Aug 01 11:35:38 i just did the same thing Aug 01 11:35:53 "sh -c sleep 100" is executed by sshd Aug 01 11:36:00 yep Aug 01 11:36:09 so this way ssh is 8-bit clean Aug 01 11:36:49 rwhitby: ssh root@phone shutdown -t 0 now Aug 01 11:37:01 'aplay sound1.wav' seems to hang. strace ends with poll( Aug 01 11:37:20 SpeedEvil: add "User root" to .ssh/config and you don't need to type so much :) Aug 01 11:38:40 when I cat /dev/ttySAC1 I can see I have a fix, but navit reports 0/0 satellites... any hints? Aug 01 11:38:59 Zorkman: what does navit read from? Aug 01 11:39:09 Zorkman: you mean you get 'filled in' data? Aug 01 11:39:14 Zorkman: where did you find binaries for navit? Aug 01 11:39:37 SpeedEvil: usb connection is busy flashing the other gta Aug 01 11:40:38 SpeedEvil: I get filled in data yes, and in Aagpsui, tand tangogps i get instant fix Aug 01 11:40:45 (when running the asu also in diversity) Aug 01 11:42:16 k Aug 01 11:42:39 ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit Aug 01 11:43:09 jesus lindi- you think i dont know that, what i was getting at is a daemon that triggers alsactl restore on certian evens like gsm calls and swtiching back Aug 01 11:43:44 kd8ikt: ah Aug 01 11:44:11 Zorkman: are you running gpsd or trying to get navit to read from teh device directly? Aug 01 11:44:38 Zorkman: thanks :) Aug 01 11:44:40 gpsd is on my device, i don't know if it is running though Aug 01 11:44:56 rwhitby: you mentioned FSO earlier - have you tried it? Or are you developing it? Aug 01 11:45:16 Zorkman: hmm well if navit is configured to connect to gpsd, make sure it's running Aug 01 11:45:18 Agrajag-: but when I use tangogPS it also uses gpsd, and tangogps gets a fix Aug 01 11:46:06 Agrajag-: how do I do that? I can't find it on the wiki Aug 01 11:46:20 Agrajag-: where did you get navit? Aug 01 11:46:48 i haven't got a freerunner, i've just used both navit and tangogps on an eeepc Aug 01 11:47:08 Stroller: I've been running it a bit Aug 01 11:47:21 Zorkman: the wiki page does say to start gpsd though, so i'd try it that way first Aug 01 11:47:31 Zorkman: alessandro's server doesn't work from here ;( could you upload the ipkg anywhere? Aug 01 11:47:41 Stroller: on those rare occasions that my GTA02 decides to boot Aug 01 11:47:46 rwhitby: my apologies - I was thinking of SHR. I just came back to my PC & saw your comments from an hour ago. Aug 01 11:47:50 ecraven: i worked for me by simpply opkg install navit Aug 01 11:48:00 (could be that it was on the rabenfrost feeds) Aug 01 11:48:14 Stroller: no, haven't done anything on shr yet Aug 01 11:48:32 Once there's something to build and I have some time I'll add it to MokoMakefile Aug 01 11:48:34 SHR really excites me Aug 01 11:50:12 ecraven: if the ipkg's are stored womewhere on the freerunner i can upload it Aug 01 11:50:18 Stroller, that's hot Aug 01 11:51:13 ecraven: but when i opkg list | grep I still get results Aug 01 11:51:24 Zorkman: they probably are, i'm just looking at rabenfrost right now Aug 01 11:51:43 as i have debian installed, i don't have opkg :) Aug 01 11:54:32 ecraven: does this link help? http://blog.coldtobi.de/1_coldtobis_blog/archive/125_navit_on_debian.html Aug 01 11:56:19 bumbl: seems to be for i386 Aug 01 11:56:41 ecraven, i have the ipk Aug 01 11:56:51 i'll upload Aug 01 11:56:56 ugh i hate spiders :| Aug 01 11:56:59 great! Aug 01 11:57:14 some kind of jumping spider climbed up my monitor, and then jumped down on my hand by the mouse :| Aug 01 11:57:20 scared the shit out of me Aug 01 11:57:27 ecraven: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m1xofk Aug 01 11:58:02 navit seems really promissing, you can also use garmin maps Aug 01 11:58:33 Zorkman: i'll try to get it running with gpsd ;) Aug 01 11:58:35 * rwhitby cracks the case on the GTA02 yet again to try and coax it into booting ... Aug 01 11:58:56 ecraven: i'm sure you'll do better than me :) Aug 01 11:59:57 hehe, don't count on it Aug 01 12:00:05 the main question is, does it even include support for gpsd Aug 01 12:01:03 ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit seems to hint it does Aug 01 12:01:18 flexd: he's after your neo Aug 01 12:01:40 ecraven: it does. But (at least) later verstions have gypsy too Aug 01 12:01:43 i think it doesn't, it doesn't include libvehicle_gpsd Aug 01 12:01:44 Zorkman: strace -o whatever navit Aug 01 12:01:51 Zorkman: strace -o whatever -e open navit Aug 01 12:02:06 see what it's trying to open in the way of named pipes or /dev entriesd Aug 01 12:02:43 alessandros build uses gpsd Aug 01 12:02:55 have it running here Aug 01 12:03:30 DPThough1: do you have an ipkg for it? Aug 01 12:03:36 SpeedEvil i get these errors: Aug 01 12:03:42 Enabling low-mem workaround... Aug 01 12:03:43 (:2932): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Aug 01 12:03:58 export DISPLAY=:0.0 Aug 01 12:03:59 DPThough1: how did you do that? It runs here, but never sees any sattelites... Aug 01 12:04:02 ecraven: i used alessandros ipkg feed Aug 01 12:04:10 DPThough1: that seems to be down ;( Aug 01 12:04:46 ecraven: sorry, i have no copy of the ipkg Aug 01 12:05:05 did you clean your package cache on the neo? Aug 01 12:05:39 Zorkman: don't know. Usually i start tangogps and wait for a fix. Because tango has better indicators for the satelite status. Then i start navit and it works fine Aug 01 12:05:46 hello, anybody has problem compiling webkit-gtk on linux host? Aug 01 12:06:27 ecraven, SpeedEvil; in the xml file it states so it must use gspd Aug 01 12:06:29 Zorkman, ecraven: i could provide you my navit.xml, .desktop file and a stupid little wrapper that sets the LANG environment Aug 01 12:06:56 DPThough1: that would be very welcome Aug 01 12:07:05 ecraven: no i probably did not. Where could i find the ipkg then? Aug 01 12:08:44 Zorkman: where did you find yours? Aug 01 12:09:03 i just did "opkg download navit" Aug 01 12:09:31 btw ecraven; it seems it might be able to talk to the serial port directly (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_NavIt) Aug 01 12:10:07 yes, but it should really work with gpsd Aug 01 12:10:17 i have to get some maps, it starts, but displays no maps Aug 01 12:11:39 yeah, but even without maps it should check the GPS, no? Aug 01 12:12:31 i have the münchen map, going to fire up gps ;) Aug 01 12:15:05 Zorkman: navit.desktop http://pastebin.com/m3444d276 (Refers to not existing launcher and icon) Aug 01 12:15:44 Zorkman: navit.xml http://pastebin.com/m23316056 (only change i did was to set up speech and point it to my germany.map map file) Aug 01 12:15:46 DPThough1: yeah, when i ran ASU I also modified it, now i'm running 2007.2 Aug 01 12:16:10 Zorkman: http://pastebin.com/m3f32793b (stupid launcher) Aug 01 12:17:28 what does "PSRF inv format" mean? Aug 01 12:17:44 DPThough1: it's easyer when you add the export LANG thing to your .desktop file Aug 01 12:18:01 But honestly, someone needs to update navit. T Aug 01 12:18:23 Zorkman: true. I was not sure how much shell magic the exec parameter can do Aug 01 12:18:40 DPThough1: the opkg version of navit is up to date i think Aug 01 12:19:03 Zorkman: sure? I will check for updates... Aug 01 12:19:23 Zorkman: mine is from january 08 Aug 01 12:19:50 btw. the opkg feed works fine. Not offile Aug 01 12:21:36 can't get a fix atm :( i'll try later, thanks for the ipkg! Aug 01 12:21:52 ecraven: check also alongside with tangoGPS Aug 01 12:22:04 i get instant fix in tangogps, and in navit always 0/0 Aug 01 12:22:21 i'm trying with tangogps, no fix :( Aug 01 12:22:21 hello Aug 01 12:22:25 ecraven: This feed contains navit and works fine. wget -O /etc/ipkg/aiurlano-armv4t-feed.conf http://aiurlano.netsons.org/aiurlano-armv4t-feed.conf.txt Aug 01 12:22:46 i want a hardware patch for the sd/gps problem :( Aug 01 12:23:23 Zorkman: just checked. It is still only version 0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3 Aug 01 12:23:27 DPThough1: i get "can't establish a connection to hosting.netsons.org" Aug 01 12:23:47 hi Aug 01 12:23:54 hi Aug 01 12:24:03 my freerunner alsways turns off after some seconds. it also when i boot in uboot Aug 01 12:24:49 ecraven: strange, works for me. Aug 01 12:25:01 ecraven: i can also download the conf file Aug 01 12:25:27 i can get the conf file, but i can't access the actual feed Aug 01 12:25:49 whenever I try to install anything with opkg, I get "an error occurred return value 2" Aug 01 12:25:50 has anyone implemented a script that sets the time and position for agps? without having to convert long/lat to gps coordinates? Aug 01 12:25:52 dns problems? Aug 01 12:26:03 which apparently means bad config file? Aug 01 12:26:06 yay, fix :) Aug 01 12:26:19 in navit?? Aug 01 12:26:53 no Aug 01 12:27:06 i am quite sure the navit ipkg you have does not include the gpsd module Aug 01 12:27:14 if someone wants my germany map file. Please ask, i will upload it. only 72Mb. downloading anc converting osm maps is more to fetch Aug 01 12:27:27 DPThough1: can you look in /usr/lib/navit/vehicle/ whether you have libvehicle_gpsd* ? Aug 01 12:27:43 ecraven: yes, i have Aug 01 12:27:49 could you upload that somewhere? Aug 01 12:28:03 ecraven: and there was afik never any other buiild than this one. Aug 01 12:28:13 anyone know how to delete a POI in tangoGPS? Aug 01 12:28:47 DPThough1: i don't have it, the ipkg that Zorkman has doesn't include it Aug 01 12:29:06 that must come from another source. interesting Aug 01 12:29:17 i'll install it Aug 01 12:29:52 where's the package cache? /var/cache/opkg? Aug 01 12:31:28 ecraven: i;m not even sure there is one Aug 01 12:31:33 ecraven: there is no package cache on most embedded devices Aug 01 12:31:47 ecraven: opkg seems to directly download and unpack things Aug 01 12:31:47 ok, then no luck with finding that ipkg ;( Aug 01 12:31:58 DPThough1: could you upload that libvehicle_gpsd anywhere? Aug 01 12:32:11 ecraven, i can give you the' right ipk Aug 01 12:32:19 Zorkman: oh, you have another one? Aug 01 12:32:20 ecraven: i can upload the ipkg file i fetched with opkg download navit if you like Aug 01 12:32:25 yes, please Aug 01 12:32:28 but i get Aug 01 12:32:32 root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg install navit - 0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3 Aug 01 12:32:32 Installing navit (0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3) to root... Aug 01 12:32:32 Downloading http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3_armv4t.ipk Aug 01 12:32:32 Configuring navit Aug 01 12:32:32 Collected errors: Aug 01 12:32:33 * Cannot find package -. Aug 01 12:33:13 is that bad? Aug 01 12:33:45 Zorkman: leave off everything including and after the '-' Aug 01 12:33:53 ecraven: http://www.tilman.baumann.name/navit_0.0.4+cvs20080129-r3_armv4t.ipk?language=en&backToDocuments=1 Aug 01 12:34:13 ecraven: skip the get parameters ;) Aug 01 12:34:48 thanks! never knew there was a .name.. :) Aug 01 12:35:40 does anyone know if there is an estimated date when the august software update will be released Aug 01 12:35:45 ecraven: you still need that ipk? Aug 01 12:35:46 ecraven: nice concept these name domains. You buy 3rd level domains. But you get a mail forward over their MX with firstname@lastname.name Aug 01 12:35:52 bumbl: august 8 Aug 01 12:36:04 it's not going to be anywhere near working by then Aug 01 12:36:13 if what I installed yesterday is anything to go by Aug 01 12:36:15 DPThough1: I got full DNS control of whitby.name Aug 01 12:36:52 guys, last night I plugged in the headset and was very pleased at how the speaker sound shut off andI got sounds through the headst.... but now I can't get it to make sound through the speaker anymore... any ideas? Aug 01 12:36:56 rwhitby: yea, they lost control at some point and let resellers take 2nd level domains. Stupid asholes. :) Aug 01 12:36:56 it used to be third level only, but then they opened up second level Aug 01 12:37:05 does anyone know a cheap carrier in germany which provides data traffic for less than fucking 24ct/MB?! Aug 01 12:37:12 Zorkman: thank you Aug 01 12:37:17 that's ridiculously expensive Aug 01 12:37:40 24ct/MB! That's ridiculously cheap by Australian standards. Aug 01 12:37:49 I pay more than that. Aug 01 12:37:51 Zorkman: thanks, no, DPThough1's has the module Aug 01 12:37:53 cheap by most UK standards as well Aug 01 12:37:55 But it's capped at a pound a day. Aug 01 12:37:56 Try $5 per MB here Aug 01 12:38:06 unfortunately my version of libgps is newer, so it doesn't seem to work Aug 01 12:38:33 rwhitby: plan was that i could have foo.whitby.name. They fucked that up big times Aug 01 12:38:34 lol thats cheap Aug 01 12:38:38 eh expensive Aug 01 12:38:42 shit...5$/mb Aug 01 12:38:52 you guys get really screwed on mobile phone prices Aug 01 12:39:01 i mean, i'm used to cheap DSL flat^^ Aug 01 12:39:03 DPThough1: agreed, but I got the whole domain anyway so I don't have to pay extra for the kids in the future :-) Aug 01 12:39:51 People always wonder why I'm so keen on offline IMAP and bluetooth access points for my Treo650 , until they hear about GPRS prices here ... Aug 01 12:39:57 rwhitby: yea, you got what you could get. :) Aug 01 12:40:16 i pay $20/mo for unlimited data (with a real, routable IP -- and they approve me tethering to a laptop), which includes access to tmobile hotspots and every hotspot in a starbucks in the US Aug 01 12:40:31 ecraven: -force-downgrade maybe? Aug 01 12:40:31 rwhitby: 9 €/month Aug 01 12:40:43 Zorkman: i'll try to build navit myself :-/ Aug 01 12:41:13 * torindel yawns Aug 01 12:41:15 ecraven: probably the best idea anyways. January is a long time ago. :) Aug 01 12:41:29 alphaone: have you tried the latest fso images from your site? I'm getting enlightenment segfaults. Aug 01 12:41:38 DPThough1: yes. we'll see how it goes ;) Aug 01 12:41:45 is there a way to automatically shutdown the phone when the battery power reaches a critically low value? Aug 01 12:41:48 your providers are just profiteering... Aug 01 12:42:00 mnagy: they're planning to add that in the future Aug 01 12:42:02 rwhitby: which ones are you using? Aug 01 12:42:33 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080731-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and uImage-2.6.24+gitr61+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin Aug 01 12:42:39 rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should work Aug 01 12:42:50 rwhitby: Oh, really? Aug 01 12:42:55 Zorkman: great, any ETA on that? :) Aug 01 12:42:55 ah, a new one in the last hours? Aug 01 12:42:56 wait, let me check Aug 01 12:43:32 alphaone: BTW, thx for having images up while buildhost is down and I'm waiting for my own builds to complete :-) Aug 01 12:44:35 rwhitby: No problem :-) Aug 01 12:45:03 DPThough1: i had no desktop file and now i used yours, but i get no icon and it doesn't launch Aug 01 12:45:10 alphaone: tell me you use the MokoMakefile, so I'll feel that we're scratching each other's back ... Aug 01 12:45:14 The illume / e segfaults should be solved now with a new efl version Aug 01 12:45:17 mnagy: no idea Aug 01 12:45:37 rwhitby: Sorry, no luck :-) Aug 01 12:45:55 But I used it in the beginning to get everything setup Aug 01 12:46:17 alphaone: do you have a u-boot with Andy's latest insane usb spam fixes? Aug 01 12:46:26 nope Aug 01 12:46:28 Zorkman: the icon is missing. i used the navit icon from the website and shrinked it Aug 01 12:46:39 Zorkman: and exec refers to my launcher Aug 01 12:46:48 k Aug 01 12:47:13 rwhitby: Does that: u-boot-openmoko-1.3.1+gitr4+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19 include the insane usb spam fixes? Aug 01 12:47:16 Building that now Aug 01 12:48:23 alphaone: doesn't look like it: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=commit;h=c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f Aug 01 12:48:43 insane usb spam? Aug 01 12:49:39 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git&a=search&h=c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f&st=commit&s=ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19 Aug 01 12:49:54 Seems to be in there Aug 01 12:50:03 Different tree Aug 01 12:50:09 ah, cool. Aug 01 12:50:20 ecraven: see the kernel list Aug 01 12:50:27 wait, no Aug 01 12:51:17 ecraven: apparently it's the cause of the gta's not enumerating properly when usb is plugged in Aug 01 12:52:07 in host mode? Aug 01 12:52:50 no, device mode Aug 01 12:53:04 okay, I u-boot-openmoko-devel has it Aug 01 12:53:04 hm. i think i never had problems with this Aug 01 12:53:52 why are a load of packages missing from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/? Aug 01 12:54:15 I'm trying to install ntpclient Aug 01 12:55:22 rwhitby: Okay, testing the 0801 image now Aug 01 12:55:51 weatherhead: the whole of buildhost/daily has been deleted Aug 01 12:56:01 yes .. sniif Aug 01 12:56:24 My understanding is that it's payback for all the bad-mouthing of openmoko staff over the last week ;-) Aug 01 12:56:45 rwhitby: so where am I supposed to get packages Aug 01 12:57:24 weatherhead: one word - MokoMakefile ;-) Aug 01 12:57:39 that's ridiculous Aug 01 12:57:47 rwhitby, i cant imagine you giving advice like that ;) Aug 01 12:58:08 I just want to write my Qt applications, I don't want to have to spend hours compiling libraries and shiz Aug 01 12:58:18 weatherhead, +1 Aug 01 12:58:18 weatherhead: yeah, it is ridiculous. But I don't think any of the community feeds have ntp in them. If you ask alphaone nicely he might build it for you. Aug 01 12:58:44 weatherhead: Use the toolchain Aug 01 12:58:50 plus it means just about everything in the wiki, which wasn't the most helpful thing in the world at the best of times, is now useless Aug 01 12:58:55 ntpclient is available Aug 01 12:58:59 weatherhead: indeed. Aug 01 12:59:10 Kamping_Kaiser: where cna I get it Aug 01 12:59:27 (BTW, I was kidding about the deletion being payback, just in case anyone didn't get the joke ...) Aug 01 12:59:28 weatherhead, i just typed opkg install ntpclient iirc - as per getting started page Aug 01 13:00:29 rwhitby: the devels didnt too, that why they started to delete backups Aug 01 13:00:38 * rwhitby wonders whether to post to the list about the payback conspiracy theory ... Aug 01 13:00:52 Kamping_Kaiser: so did I, a few minutes ago, and it doesn't work Aug 01 13:01:04 rwhitby: Post to community, that's a good bet :-) Aug 01 13:01:08 weatherhead, could be because the buildd is mia for a few hrs...' Aug 01 13:01:26 so if I wait till tomorrow, it might be back? Aug 01 13:04:02 iirc another 8 hrs. Aug 01 13:04:05 either way, i'm off Aug 01 13:04:07 night all Aug 01 13:04:12 rwhitby, look forward to seeing you Aug 01 13:04:31 Kamping_Kaiser: ciao Aug 01 13:04:50 Kamping_Kaiser: ciao Aug 01 13:05:00 aloril, later Aug 01 13:05:12 rwhitby: the 0801 build works fine for me Aug 01 13:05:22 alphaone: me too, thx. Aug 01 13:05:46 rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr5+c87c058db7890d09f2429758de716bc7c0b71b6f-r0.bin Aug 01 13:05:46 Kamping_Kaiser: I posted it ;-) Aug 01 13:06:08 Gonna delete the other images now, it's getting too confusing Aug 01 13:06:43 alphaone: that one has numpty in it :-) Aug 01 13:07:10 rwhitby: Yeah, mickey was crazy about it when he saw that :-) Aug 01 13:07:22 It cost me a couple of hours already :-) Aug 01 13:08:36 Heh :-) Aug 01 13:08:47 I stopped at the egg basket level, myself Aug 01 13:09:05 I think I may have misunderstood something, couldn't figure what to do Aug 01 13:09:21 That one was quite tricky, yeah Aug 01 13:09:21 I just got my freerunner and am trying to update, but it fails because the Packages.gz don't exist Aug 01 13:09:45 the key is that the red thing appears at the start again after it has fallen off the screen Aug 01 13:09:45 varikin: see the recent archives of the community list Aug 01 13:10:12 alphaone: that doesn't seem quite helpful Aug 01 13:10:32 alphaone: but then I'm easily bored by this kind of thing :-) Aug 01 13:11:22 So get the thing to move to the right, then when it has dissolved the one spoon get it to move to the lect Aug 01 13:11:25 left Aug 01 13:12:15 oh it can disolve things ?! Aug 01 13:13:19 pabs3: I see some people had this issue in the mailing list, but no solution or reason why Aug 01 13:13:33 varikin: correct Aug 01 13:14:10 pabs3: so I am stuck with the stock apps until that is addressed Aug 01 13:14:34 or the ones in the community repos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Aug 01 13:15:20 alphaone: that u-boot boots Aug 01 13:15:36 inally navit works :) Aug 01 13:16:09 DPThough1: you've gotten garmin maps to work with it? Aug 01 13:17:30 rwhitby: Good to hear Aug 01 13:17:48 navit with OSM maps works surprisingly well Aug 01 13:19:10 alphaone: is it even possible to delete a shape ? Aug 01 13:19:11 Does anyone know what the "b G1 w s" letters above the battery bar in Zhone stand for? Aug 01 13:19:30 rwhitby: b=bluetooth, G1=gsm, w=wifi, s=gps Aug 01 13:19:40 ah, dbus connections? Aug 01 13:19:41 capitals=ON, smallcase=OFF Aug 01 13:20:08 rwhitby: no, activation Aug 01 13:20:11 number=number of programs using that resource Aug 01 13:21:30 * rooly grumbles Aug 01 13:21:41 mofi is acting up Aug 01 13:21:48 alphaone: yeah, but OSM are all but complete around here... Aug 01 13:21:52 what is mofi? Aug 01 13:22:06 it's a wifi configurator Aug 01 13:22:12 Zorkman: Sure. I live in germany where coverage is pretty damn good... Aug 01 13:22:17 rooly: ah, okay Aug 01 13:22:27 alphaone: I was just wondering because as you create a shape to move the goal object, the shape stays there Aug 01 13:22:41 (that's kind of a stupid discussion there :-p) Aug 01 13:23:05 Ainulindale: Sorry, can you provide more context? Aug 01 13:24:52 alphaone: on numpty :-) Aug 01 13:25:01 ah, right Aug 01 13:25:04 :-) Aug 01 13:25:13 gotta love the reboot command Aug 01 13:25:20 If you draw an object, for example in the egg basket, and then if your goal object moves, then comes again at the start point Aug 01 13:25:24 How should you move/delete a shape ? Aug 01 13:25:32 I don't think deleting the a shape is supposed to be possible Aug 01 13:25:55 Ainulindale: I just had the second shape ontop of the first one Aug 01 13:26:00 Hmmmm so I didn't quite catch how you're supposed to be able to send the ball in one way then in another :-) Aug 01 13:26:04 with a slope in the opposite direction Aug 01 13:26:21 Hmmm I see Aug 01 13:26:29 You mean a bigger shape, thus moving the little one ? Aug 01 13:27:12 Ainulindale: No, I solved it by creating a slope first to the right and then to the left Aug 01 13:27:29 But there probably is more than one solution :-) Aug 01 13:28:17 alphaone: oh and that's because you paused it a the beginning Aug 01 13:28:31 does anyone hava a opkg file for libgarmin? i can't make it on the freerunner Aug 01 13:29:37 and what is the use of kernel-module-garmin-gps? Aug 01 13:30:08 llo AntonTakk Aug 01 13:30:18 hey, hows it goin? Aug 01 13:31:19 ecraven: just an idea: if you're still planning on building an up-t-date-version of navit, could you include libgarmin? to read garmin maps http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps Aug 01 13:31:42 Ainulindale: Right Aug 01 13:32:29 Zorkman: that would be to connect to the serial port on a garmin gps Aug 01 13:33:13 thx Aug 01 13:34:58 Anyone know the name of the font used for the "openmoko" in the splash screens? Aug 01 13:37:03 baird: these guys would know: http://38one.com/work/openmoko Aug 01 13:37:21 crap... Aug 01 13:37:27 i can't get back into my fr Aug 01 13:39:52 baird: SansaSoft, according to http://people.openmoko.org/sean/files/openmoko_trademark.pdf Aug 01 13:45:10 lol @ mailinglists: Aug 01 13:45:11 Someone on IRC said that all the daily builds have been deleted as Aug 01 13:45:11 payback for all the badmouthing of Openmoko staff over the last week ... Aug 01 13:45:28 hey, has anyone here used OFT release 2? Aug 01 13:45:28 who would have said a thing like that! Aug 01 13:45:33 :) Aug 01 13:45:36 hi rod Aug 01 13:45:44 damn funny Aug 01 13:45:50 rwhitby: excellent, thanks. (not so excellent--Sansasoft isn't SIL licensed.. ) Aug 01 13:46:57 jadams_: I'm mucking around with FSO right now, as it happens. Aug 01 13:48:10 rwhitby, do you have a gta01? Aug 01 13:48:35 jadams_: yes, but it's running qtopia at the moment in preparation for a demo tomorrow Aug 01 13:48:49 I have run fso on the gta01 a couple of days ago Aug 01 13:49:01 rwhitby, what image did you use? The image I got is corrupted or something (just boots to angstrom prompt) Aug 01 13:49:16 from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 01 13:49:21 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 01 13:49:29 and http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin Aug 01 13:49:49 I downloaded those twice, and both times it just booted to an angstrom prompt on my gta01 Aug 01 13:49:58 I suppose I can try again....whimper Aug 01 13:50:05 I also need to install debian on this thing sometime Aug 01 13:51:08 jadams: I can give you a md5sum of what I used Aug 01 13:51:31 46396485018181b93bc0438c7ad9ce9d uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin Aug 01 13:51:54 b63c77cfcc4fbec62ec7e4a9fc955bee openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 01 13:52:25 it does boot to an Angstrom prompt first, and then loads the UI Aug 01 13:54:06 rwhitby, maybe I never waited long enough... Aug 01 13:55:41 :D buildhost is back Aug 01 13:56:04 mwester_: The System Info app in the Qtopia 4.3.3 image on Trolltech's servers say "Linux Kernel, Version 2.6.24, Compiled by: (mwester@blocks)" ;-) Didn;t know you worked for Trolltech now ... Aug 01 13:56:59 pabs3: not quite - only u-boot and kernel there so far, no rootfs. Must be still building. Aug 01 13:57:37 hmm, true Aug 01 13:57:52 * pabs3 looking for pygtk still Aug 01 13:59:00 rwitby: havent seen a rootfs file lately, looked like they weren't building it Aug 01 13:59:34 pab3: Aug 01 13:59:42 opkg install python-pygtk Aug 01 14:01:12 Zorkman: yes its still building Aug 01 14:01:12 doesn't work cus buildhost isn't fully fixed Aug 01 14:01:24 buildhost isnt broken, its rebuilding Aug 01 14:01:49 the days that hasn't got rootfs files, is that due to build stopping due to compile-problems then? Aug 01 14:02:05 yes, if there is no rootfs, it broke that day Aug 01 14:02:38 XorA: shouldn't the daily-feed directory only be updated once everything is built? Aug 01 14:03:03 pabs3: we run out of diskspace doing that Aug 01 14:03:17 ah :( Aug 01 14:03:19 pabs3: buildhost was never really intended to feed out feeds Aug 01 14:03:20 XorA: so it wasn't payback? ;-) Aug 01 14:04:17 rwhitby: why what did you do that requires revenge :-D Aug 01 14:04:47 XorA: Someone on IRC said that all the daily builds have been deleted as Aug 01 14:04:48 payback for all the badmouthing of Openmoko staff over the last week ... Aug 01 14:05:17 ok, i have *none* of the libraries required for navit, may take some time to hunt them down Aug 01 14:05:31 rwhitby: no, there was an all package change checked in to fix SDK issues and there is a really wierd build problem I just cant repeat here Aug 01 14:05:53 XorA: that's just such a boring reason ... Aug 01 14:06:18 no images built last night due to the problem anyway Aug 01 14:06:22 How do you expect us to whip up a flamewar with that reason? Aug 01 14:06:35 well you could always not beleive me :-D Aug 01 14:06:47 aha! it's a cover-up! Aug 01 14:10:17 when will the repositority be available for opkg again? Aug 01 14:10:27 late tonight GMT Aug 01 14:10:53 thx Aug 01 14:11:14 I forgot daily-feed and daily/ are no longer an rsync mirror Aug 01 14:11:19 due to disk space problems Aug 01 14:11:52 NOTE: Running task 1173 of 5359 Aug 01 14:12:11 XorA: I notice that http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily seems to be wiped.. does it wipe every 1st of each month? Aug 01 14:12:35 mw|: read up Aug 01 14:13:00 i just wonder - what steps are needed to get proper suspend and resume? Aug 01 14:13:25 a thing i was wondering on Aug 01 14:13:29 s/on/about Aug 01 14:13:39 how do i debug resume? i can suspend with apm -s, but then nothing i do gets a resume.. Aug 01 14:13:47 the standard image that comes on the FR seems to be able to suspend okay, and it doesnt wake up randomly Aug 01 14:13:52 why does later images do that? :/ Aug 01 14:14:44 flexd: insomnia Aug 01 14:18:29 AntonTakk: hehehe.. Aug 01 14:20:33 when do they finish the build during the day? Aug 01 14:21:01 rwhitby, how long does the angstrom prompt stay up first boot? Mine's been up for four minutes Aug 01 14:21:21 I also get a couple of errors about inodes Aug 01 14:21:22 jadams_: I don't remember it being that long ... Aug 01 14:21:28 and there's a line that says dbus didn't start, basically Aug 01 14:21:32 openmoko: 03tick * r4574 10/trunk/src/target/ (29 files in 2 dirs): move icons to icons Aug 01 14:21:45 failed to open /etc/dbus-1/system.conf - no such file or directory Aug 01 14:21:51 given the dbus-centric nature of zhone... Aug 01 14:21:53 do you have an updated u-boot which erases the rootfs first? Aug 01 14:22:00 ahh! Aug 01 14:22:00 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6398a782bbf9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and Aug 01 14:22:00 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * raa7775d3bfa3 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 01 14:22:04 it's been so long since I flashed Aug 01 14:22:06 thanks, I don't Aug 01 14:22:10 should I update the uboot? Aug 01 14:22:16 or just erase NAND myself? Aug 01 14:22:23 do you have a debug board handy> Aug 01 14:22:25 ? Aug 01 14:23:52 I've noticed, that backup_download_dir in qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env points to http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ However, when using qtopia build from there (which is downloaded by qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh is broken(?) Aug 01 14:24:27 After starting an emulator, there are four icons in the bottom. But they don't work. Why is that? Aug 01 14:25:36 rwhitby, (a) I have a debug board, and (b) already cu'd in to erase and am reflashing. Thanks tons Aug 01 14:26:02 jadams_: if you have a debug board, then you should update uboot Aug 01 14:26:19 (you don't need the board unless you stuff it up_ Aug 01 14:26:39 rwhitby, I will shortly, I just want to see zhone :) Aug 01 14:26:57 and yeah, I've never done anything that needed JTAG but got the debug board so I could Aug 01 14:27:29 Prezu: thats because that is a topia image Aug 01 14:27:57 somebody made a good page which explained whot needed to be done.... not on the wiki though... will try to find it for you Aug 01 14:29:45 Prezu: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/blog/posts/openmoko_emulation.html Aug 01 14:30:29 Zorkman: no, i have not tried garmin maps. But i had success with OSM. And i have some european map&guide maps here, but not enough space on SD. Aug 01 14:31:10 clear Aug 01 14:31:16 kk Aug 01 14:31:31 so, does anyone know when the daily build finishes? Aug 01 14:31:37 does qemu emulate gta01 or gta02? Aug 01 14:32:02 ecraven: only gta01 Aug 01 14:32:18 :( Aug 01 14:32:36 Zorkman: Thanks. :) Aug 01 14:32:46 So it's not ASU? Aug 01 14:33:03 no, it's qtopia AFAIK Aug 01 14:34:14 ok, thanks DPThough1; Belgium is only 20MB I think and OSM has very little data from my area (I try to add some, but those are roads i alredy know and won't need :)) Aug 01 14:34:43 does osm offer packaged .osm files for countries? Aug 01 14:37:41 don't know ecraven, i'll look into it, there are scripts however to download a rectrangle from the map Aug 01 14:38:40 i'll have a look later ;) i have planet.bin anyway Aug 01 14:38:42 ecraven: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ Aug 01 14:39:30 netherlands: 52MB, belgium: 8.27 :( Aug 01 14:41:08 ecraven: http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/download.html there are routbale Aug 01 14:41:12 *routable Aug 01 14:41:13 austria 21 ;) Aug 01 14:42:04 Zorkman: though i'd need libgarmin for that Aug 01 14:42:13 debian has no libgarmin, i think :( Aug 01 14:42:39 ecraven: http://frost.de/debian/ Aug 01 14:43:16 i'll try later, those are i386 Aug 01 14:43:23 ah, sorry Aug 01 14:43:29 hehe, not your fault Aug 01 14:43:34 but i'll give it a try later Aug 01 14:43:40 i should learn how to build debian packages anyway Aug 01 14:46:15 hm.. seems to work ;) Aug 01 14:47:05 great Aug 01 14:47:06 repositories broken atm Aug 01 14:47:42 Zorkman: though it keeps redrawing, the map keeps flashing.. something is wrong there Aug 01 14:47:47 might be Xfbdev though Aug 01 14:53:37 nice :) looking good Aug 01 14:55:12 damnit Aug 01 14:55:18 i don't know what the hell you are doing, but i believe in you :) Aug 01 14:55:20 when do the daily builds finish! Aug 01 14:55:30 it won't let me install gcc-symlinks Aug 01 14:55:43 late tonight GMT Aug 01 14:55:44 or update for that matter Aug 01 14:55:51 ok Aug 01 15:00:12 could someone help me with a sound issue? the sound frequently stops working, I tried restarting pulsaudio but it didn't help Aug 01 15:00:29 mnagy, plug the headphones in and remove them Aug 01 15:00:33 should restart it Aug 01 15:00:35 works every time for me Aug 01 15:00:41 eh, I don't have headphones Aug 01 15:00:48 any will do Aug 01 15:01:09 I don't have any with such a small hole Aug 01 15:01:13 err Aug 01 15:01:21 with such a small jack Aug 01 15:01:44 and I would like to find out why is it crashing Aug 01 15:02:06 i think it's the "unstable software" part Aug 01 15:03:02 personally, i'm waiting for the daily build to finish so's i can do some work Aug 01 15:03:04 I'd guess that as well, but I'm wondering what piece crashes Aug 01 15:03:31 I'll try to find out how that works, just got my openmoko yesterday :) Aug 01 15:08:15 hm, somehow, media player works, but I don't hear the sound of taping Aug 01 15:09:07 FR ftw! Aug 01 15:09:23 Chox, agreed Aug 01 15:11:49 Friday yet? Aug 01 15:15:26 mnagy: 2007.2? Aug 01 15:15:50 lindi-: I guess Aug 01 15:15:52 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4575 10/trunk/src/target/icons/development_gpe-scap.png: Add an icon for gpe-scap Aug 01 15:36:11 trac.openmoko.org is down? Aug 01 15:37:01 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r5fba5c8f6e6d 10/framework/controller.py: controller.py: Be honest about the busname that we failed to claim Aug 01 15:48:22 so they fix the upgrade yet? Aug 01 15:51:35 ftw ftw! Aug 01 15:52:08 wtf? Aug 01 15:52:17 no, backwards. Aug 01 15:52:22 so I tried out FSO but couldn't make any calls. Also couldn't figure out if it was registering or what... I didn't see any indication of signal strength or network connection Aug 01 15:52:33 FSO II? Aug 01 15:52:48 i believe so... Aug 01 16:00:10 can I install OM system images(s) on an emulator in my debian system? Aug 01 16:01:26 smhar: yes there is a special qemu version Aug 01 16:02:31 great, although I never used qemu before, but I will install it for sure Aug 01 16:03:21 can I use the latest qtopia with qemu? Aug 01 16:07:33 is there a way to add an ical feed to the dates thing? Aug 01 16:07:53 hi Aug 01 16:08:02 anyone using fso m2 right now? Aug 01 16:08:20 having the broken opkg? Aug 01 16:10:33 heh Aug 01 16:10:48 Chox: :p Aug 01 16:11:07 I put in an opkg lib from GTK. opkg upgrade worked, but broke stuff Aug 01 16:11:49 Chox: have you tried to build opkg revision 4566? Aug 01 16:11:58 no Aug 01 16:12:22 the bugtracker says that this revision fixes it Aug 01 16:12:24 point is, opkg upgrade probably isn't what you want Aug 01 16:13:22 actually, i want it working because it has to work Aug 01 16:13:42 well yes, but what were you hoping to upgrade? Aug 01 16:13:50 help my multitap keyboard has gone crazy, if I press a key twice it just puts in loads of the same letters Aug 01 16:13:53 anyone got any ideas? Aug 01 16:14:16 Chox: packages that do not depend on fso but had been upgraded Aug 01 16:14:45 well, as I said. it you upgrade everything, it breaks stuff. applications no longer launch Aug 01 16:14:54 * Chox didn't investigate further Aug 01 16:18:07 she be broken.... Aug 01 16:19:02 hum Aug 01 16:19:23 any ideas on why my updates aren't working? Aug 01 16:19:25 :( Aug 01 16:19:38 something i noticed with the matchbox-keyboard (not multitap), when i flipped the screen with xrandr the keys are all wrong :/ (e.g i press pagedown and backspace) Aug 01 16:20:14 MY first guess someone f@@@ed with it, and broke it. Aug 01 16:20:28 i can ping google Aug 01 16:20:39 and i can go to sites Aug 01 16:20:42 but opkg update Aug 01 16:20:47 railer: likely story. Aug 01 16:21:00 opkg update is bust on FSO II. end of story. Aug 01 16:21:13 and even if you make it work, it busts stuff. Aug 01 16:21:22 my advice - wait for FSO III Aug 01 16:21:34 qtopia as well Aug 01 16:21:43 yessir. Aug 01 16:21:46 Chox, i'm in om2007.2 Aug 01 16:21:51 tkep: there is a thread on the community mailinglist; for fso: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/ipk/ Aug 01 16:21:57 tkep: ah well. another issue. Aug 01 16:22:01 upgrade reboot = usb gone, Aug 01 16:22:11 roll back yer kernel Aug 01 16:22:16 is 2007.2 still working? Aug 01 16:23:38 CHox can you upgrade 2007.2 safely? Aug 01 16:23:41 *sigh* Aug 01 16:23:53 I don't know. not tried in a week. Aug 01 16:24:13 welcome to the bleeding edge! Aug 01 16:24:29 the Openmoko FR as now know as the Openmoko WTF! Aug 01 16:24:30 railer: No Aug 01 16:24:48 k Aug 01 16:24:49 Upgrading with opkg seems to break the phone Aug 01 16:24:49 * Chox laffs. Aug 01 16:24:56 atleast it did for me a few weeks ago Aug 01 16:24:58 absolutely everything seems to be broken today Aug 01 16:25:12 it's Friday. do something else ;-) Aug 01 16:25:23 lol I'm going out in an hour or so Aug 01 16:25:31 this keyboard thing is really bugging me though Aug 01 16:25:57 the only thing I altered was /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf Aug 01 16:26:01 and now I've changed it back again Aug 01 16:26:03 railer, what do you mean it's just the openmoko? Aug 01 16:26:05 it's still not working Aug 01 16:26:50 tkep: what did I say? Aug 01 16:27:06 oh Aug 01 16:27:09 i misread it Aug 01 16:27:14 woo hoo Aug 01 16:27:17 lol Aug 01 16:27:17 :) i thought they had changed the name for some reason Aug 01 16:27:20 almost done porting irrlicht to the openmoko Aug 01 16:27:22 sorry, it'sbeen a long week Aug 01 16:27:41 long wiki week Aug 01 16:28:47 Welcome to the OpenMoko WTF, Good Luck Bitch! Aug 01 16:29:03 rooly: you mean this?: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/ Aug 01 16:29:25 i do Aug 01 16:29:40 OM FTW, WTF, GLB! Aug 01 16:29:43 BBQ Aug 01 16:29:52 And where's Dave? Aug 01 16:29:59 thew \o/ Aug 01 16:30:01 rooly: is freerunner capable of running opengl already? Aug 01 16:30:07 can the freerunner run it? with the current state of glamo? Aug 01 16:30:24 well, i don't know Zorkman and xeros Aug 01 16:30:31 but it has a software renderer Aug 01 16:30:38 so that's not really an issue Aug 01 16:30:39 aye, it'll work, might not be pretty Aug 01 16:30:45 but it'll work Aug 01 16:30:49 and THAT is the point Aug 01 16:30:59 oh, btw, there's a mesa ogl renderer in the repo's Aug 01 16:31:35 anybody here who made a recipe for an application which uses WAF build system? Aug 01 16:32:01 Chox: Daves not here I blame him! Aug 01 16:32:07 rooly: that's great news! Aug 01 16:32:09 how many Daves? Aug 01 16:32:21 so Aug 01 16:32:44 if all my stuff compiled, i'll have a 3d engine running on the FR in the next few minutes Aug 01 16:32:49 if not, it'll be tomorrow Aug 01 16:32:53 Doom! Aug 01 16:32:58 although that's more like 2.5D Aug 01 16:33:08 more like quake2 Aug 01 16:33:20 Quake2 FTW Aug 01 16:33:32 quake2 on the fr ftw Aug 01 16:33:47 Has to be Wolfenstein Aug 01 16:33:53 neverball! Aug 01 16:34:03 neverputt! Aug 01 16:34:09 i think i know the guy that made neverball Aug 01 16:34:19 aww Aug 01 16:34:21 that sucks so much Aug 01 16:34:54 anyway, if SDL works properly, there's literally hundreds of 2D games that'd work great Aug 01 16:34:55 I vote wolfenstein 2D! Aug 01 16:35:05 although keyboard input is an issue Aug 01 16:35:21 just get the accelerometers working Aug 01 16:35:23 and then it's not Aug 01 16:35:29 for a platformer? ;-) Aug 01 16:35:32 suppose. Aug 01 16:35:33 yeah Aug 01 16:35:34 anyone know where a pkg for gpe-calendar might be? Aug 01 16:35:46 like... every game running on GP2X may run if SDL is working well Aug 01 16:35:52 * Wonka wants Indy and the Quest for the Holy Grail! Aug 01 16:35:56 tilt it forward to walk, side to strafe, forward-side to turn Aug 01 16:36:01 I want to see you do a shift-jump-fire in SuperTux with the FR's accelerometers ;-) Aug 01 16:36:07 lol Aug 01 16:36:17 in public. Aug 01 16:36:26 If people don't look at you funny, they will now. Aug 01 16:36:27 how bout a usb controller Aug 01 16:36:39 yes, sure. there must be time small ones. Aug 01 16:37:01 there are some tiny mice. Aug 01 16:37:28 it'd possible to add a controller around the FR case (like the one for the iPhone) Aug 01 16:37:32 but like a 1/3 size joypad Aug 01 16:37:40 tuXXX: troo Aug 01 16:38:00 iAftermarketAccessory Aug 01 16:38:18 lol Aug 01 16:38:30 * pabs3 wonders how much http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713 affects battery life Aug 01 16:38:33 hmm, FR and om acessories could be big business Aug 01 16:39:51 http://iphonefreakz.com/2008/07/28/icontrolpad-update-2/ Aug 01 16:40:14 mickey! Aug 01 16:40:41 ok Aug 01 16:40:45 the lib compiled Aug 01 16:40:45 now Aug 01 16:40:48 it's test time Aug 01 16:41:19 hm, I Aug 01 16:41:37 hm, I'm really not keen on the OM build system. It's too phat and too opaque Aug 01 16:41:38 pabs3: have a look at here -> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=tree;f=packages/gpe-calendar;h=0f9a8c60ddbeead422ccfc3c63a29207af0195cd;hb=b8ad60c13621163fb430376c90c1014f6d6b6e1a Aug 01 16:42:25 I have a cross build system I wrote for a complete different OS (still ARM) that could be adapated, at least for simple application development. Aug 01 16:43:01 http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8860/bwolf2nx9.jpg Aug 01 16:43:08 we need that Aug 01 16:43:13 kuzgun: ah, don't have the build system setup yet Aug 01 16:43:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r353016496213 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Replace minesweep with python-efl sudoku as default game in ASU Aug 01 16:43:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r64ef743ff9cb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Bump up the reversion of pyefl-sudoku to 28 Aug 01 16:43:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r19917f47b82f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 222 Aug 01 16:43:23 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re772a47e76d7 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue Aug 01 16:43:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8d858d96516a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU Aug 01 16:43:50 it's ze Europeans! Aug 01 16:44:23 \join #gentoo Aug 01 16:44:27 ricer. Aug 01 16:44:28 #gentoo Aug 01 16:45:08 http://www.riscos.info/websvn/listing.php?repname=gccsdk&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fautobuilder%2F#_trunk_autobuilder_ Aug 01 16:46:20 Chox: for me, a cross-gcc should be enough, it works like that on every other platform I used. How does it works for OM? Aug 01 16:46:32 pabs3: sorry I do not know an ipk of it Aug 01 16:46:40 hi. why am i unable to access: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ ?!! Aug 01 16:46:42 it was accesible yesterday Aug 01 16:46:54 yes, cross GCC is ok. But in practice, you need various libraries, pkgconfig, things to work correctly with autoconf, etc, etc. Aug 01 16:47:01 it depends what you're doing. Aug 01 16:47:46 but OM build - i.e, OpenEmbedded is a wrapper around all these issues. It's pretty damn complex, and pretty robust too (most of the time). but it's also opaque, and tricky for new users. Aug 01 16:48:30 right, I'll try to use gentoo's portage to build apps for OM ^^' Aug 01 16:49:01 :o Aug 01 16:49:04 Chox: any idea why the new 2007.2 image not avail? Aug 01 16:49:05 :o Aug 01 16:49:09 nope. Aug 01 16:49:37 * Chox thinks it's been abandoned, but that's just a guess. no one seems to know this stuff for certain. Aug 01 16:49:56 if it's broken, that's one thing, but at least someone should be in charge. Aug 01 16:50:19 seriously who wants the blame at this point Aug 01 16:52:41 it's not really about blame. I'll take the blame if I think it helps ;-) I just want some better answers. Aug 01 16:53:37 they were saying just a while ago that there are problems with buildhost Aug 01 16:54:12 Sometimes you need a hard-ass developer to lay down teh lahw! Aug 01 16:54:15 FSKCIN W00T Aug 01 16:54:25 You would think openmoko would have SOMEONE over viewing the software on even one distro? Aug 01 16:54:25 like me Aug 01 16:54:29 who got his 3d engine working Aug 01 16:54:40 \o/ /o\ \o/ Aug 01 16:54:49 rooly FTW Aug 01 16:55:00 i don't have my camera on me... Aug 01 16:55:03 now we all have to be roolys bitches Aug 01 16:55:13 woof. Aug 01 16:55:46 hm, where are the sources of the openmoko-today? Aug 01 16:56:02 rooly you cant do a screen shot? Aug 01 16:56:05 rooly: port q2 to your engine with some decent on screen controls please :) Aug 01 16:56:19 lol Aug 01 16:56:28 actually, i'm attempting opengl now Aug 01 16:56:30 instead of software Aug 01 16:56:39 nice Aug 01 16:56:56 mnagy: svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications Aug 01 16:57:06 nope Aug 01 16:57:07 no ogl Aug 01 16:57:27 i'm trying fso milestone 2. it's great! thank you all! Aug 01 16:57:53 now upgrade it heh,heh,heh Aug 01 16:58:21 does the glammo driver even have ogl support? Aug 01 16:58:37 much improved over the scaredy cat image i was using Aug 01 16:58:46 upgrade it? it came out like 24 hrs ago Aug 01 16:58:59 heh. Aug 01 16:59:02 rooly: how many fps do you have? Aug 01 16:59:03 someone gets to explain. Aug 01 16:59:04 ozzloy: opkg may still be broken Aug 01 16:59:11 abraxa_: thank you Aug 01 16:59:13 i like the keyboard input Aug 01 16:59:15 AntonTakk: ah Aug 01 16:59:33 xeros, 8 and 6 on the 2 software modes (i'm estimating) Aug 01 16:59:38 ogl doesn't seem to want to draw Aug 01 16:59:44 still, so little code and it takes so much memory :( Aug 01 17:01:11 rooly: take screenshots and post them to scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 01 17:01:47 it won't let me Aug 01 17:02:36 i'll get a picture or a video of it working Aug 01 17:02:51 rooly: I read long time ago that the glamo would support OpenGL ES Aug 01 17:03:04 video would be cool Aug 01 17:03:09 i'll get video Aug 01 17:03:31 easier to masturbate to. Aug 01 17:03:42 ..... Aug 01 17:03:47 WHAT! Aug 01 17:04:08 like I'M the only one...... Aug 01 17:04:13 filth! Aug 01 17:04:29 ok Aug 01 17:04:32 now i've got chores Aug 01 17:04:33 bbl Aug 01 17:04:35 with video Aug 01 17:04:35 heh Aug 01 17:04:38 * Chox laffs. Aug 01 17:05:00 Zorkman, it does sort of, but not usefully for a VGA screen after all, so there's little incentive to code driver support Aug 01 17:05:37 mjr: would i be more useful when screen is in QVGA mode? Aug 01 17:05:43 (either not usefully or time-consuming kluding...) Aug 01 17:06:19 somewhat Aug 01 17:06:26 so what's so great about FSO II, why is it worth installing? Aug 01 17:06:52 an unnamed party had some ambitions on doing some ogl acceleration support for that, but don't know if he's still hopeful Aug 01 17:06:54 railer: it's pretty, and is the final goal of the software stack Aug 01 17:07:07 anyway Aug 01 17:07:11 3d software rendering Aug 01 17:07:12 O RLY Aug 01 17:07:16 byes Aug 01 17:08:12 ok I'll install it, mind passing me a link? Aug 01 17:08:24 one sec Aug 01 17:08:27 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 01 17:08:38 nevermind :) Aug 01 17:09:06 the rootfs for gta02 was accibentally given an extra suffix, but it's the right image Aug 01 17:09:23 ok, who has a dirt cheap price on 8GB MicroSD? Aug 01 17:10:13 thanks Aug 01 17:10:17 have they removed 2007.2/freerunner totally? Aug 01 17:10:19 hm, 4GB for $15 Aug 01 17:10:21 Chox ^^n? Aug 01 17:10:34 I remember when I get Quake 1 running on Nexgen (100MHz 32-bit x86 CPU (simmilar to Pentium 1 but without FPU)) - it run with one frame for over a dozen of seconds with software FPU emulator Aug 01 17:10:44 Guilt: as I've been trying to imply, it's all guesses on my part. No one seems in charge. Aug 01 17:11:25 xeros: it's running on GP2X at fullspeed (200 MHz ARM, but I don't know if it's using the second processor) Aug 01 17:11:34 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01/200808/20080801/ <- well. that's all i see Aug 01 17:11:37 No one seems in charge. I concur Aug 01 17:12:14 Strolly Aug 01 17:12:36 Chox,Guilt,railer: there has been an anouncement, tonight buillds will be back Aug 01 17:12:42 :o Aug 01 17:13:01 Zorkman:and you know this? Aug 01 17:13:06 :o Aug 01 17:13:07 how? Aug 01 17:13:14 1. from irc: Aug 01 17:13:14 [18:09] when will the repositority be available for opkg again? Aug 01 17:13:14 [18:09] late tonight GMT Aug 01 17:13:21 2. from the mailinglists: Aug 01 17:13:27 ok Aug 01 17:13:44 * XorA apologises for the inconvenience Aug 01 17:13:45 when is ASU expected? Aug 01 17:13:52 I forgot its not a mirror anymore Aug 01 17:14:04 XorA: woot. Aug 01 17:14:33 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000538.html Aug 01 17:14:43 Guilt: august 8 Aug 01 17:14:48 Guilt: i heard that august software update will be released 8th august Aug 01 17:17:17 Chox: I found one at 27.90€ (8GB) Aug 01 17:17:53 * Chox is in US Aug 01 17:18:12 hehe Aug 01 17:19:04 * Chox prolly buy some crap from Ebay Aug 01 17:19:50 if I buy from some dodgy place in LA, it'll be here next day Aug 01 17:20:09 not to be a nuisance but what is a jffs2.summary? and which jffs2 do I use for FSO II? Aug 01 17:20:52 the one that says GTA02 Aug 01 17:21:08 Chox; which Class do you recommend buying? Aug 01 17:21:13 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r488449ed0e14 10/framework/subsystem.py: Aug 01 17:21:13 freesmartphone.org: subsystem.py: Register extra busnames if requested by the subsystem Aug 01 17:21:13 freesmartphone.org: This looks for NEEDS_BUSNAMES in every file that also has a factory Aug 01 17:21:13 freesmartphone.org: method and tries to claim the busnames listed in there. Aug 01 17:21:14 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r60aa0b4f2df4 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/factory.py: ogpsd: Use NEEDS_BUSNAMES to claim org.freedesktop.Gypsy Aug 01 17:21:31 Class of 1999? Context please :o Aug 01 17:21:45 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4576 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (12 files): Add some thumbnails for ASU Aug 01 17:21:57 ya theres a gta01 with .jffs2 ext and a gta02 witha jffs2.summary extension will the summary work? Aug 01 17:22:22 context: microSD cards Aug 01 17:22:36 what classes are there? Aug 01 17:22:49 railer: http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php Aug 01 17:22:53 there might be some moose on the wiki Aug 01 17:23:11 chox: 2,4 and 6 are those i know of Aug 01 17:23:41 stupid standards. Aug 01 17:23:53 there is also a rating (6x, 32x,... up to 150x i think) Aug 01 17:24:32 What;'s the fastest anyones gotten data onto/off of the SD in their freerunner? Aug 01 17:24:33 yeah, but whatever the standard, do you know of a "recommended" speed? because of the shared bus it might be a waiste of money to buy a really fast sd Aug 01 17:24:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfb13c3f60a50 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59 Aug 01 17:24:47 *waste Aug 01 17:24:54 look on the wiki Aug 01 17:24:54 tuXXX so it install with the same command as a regular jffs2? Aug 01 17:24:56 I note that I get 3 megabytes/second with dd on my GTA01 Aug 01 17:25:03 railer: yes, I think so Aug 01 17:25:09 cool Aug 01 17:25:22 railer: yes, it was simply mis-named Aug 01 17:25:58 openmoko: 03tick * r4577 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/result/thumbnail.eet: recreate the thumbnail.eet Aug 01 17:26:07 a flashing we shall go.... Aug 01 17:26:19 I'd say class 6 should be enough Aug 01 17:27:45 (class 6 is something like 133x) Aug 01 17:28:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r50fa3332788d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4577 Aug 01 17:36:57 why did they go with usb 1.1? Aug 01 17:37:05 holy moley OFT is awesome Aug 01 17:37:17 seriously, this release is absurdly smooth on the GTA01 Aug 01 17:37:28 OFT? Aug 01 17:37:36 erm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_3 Aug 01 17:37:41 I know OTB but not OTF? Aug 01 17:40:35 ok first impressions coll background Aug 01 17:40:40 cool Aug 01 17:41:45 FSO Aug 01 17:41:48 hmm i hate that background Aug 01 17:42:24 bumbl, which? Aug 01 17:43:03 the fso background Aug 01 17:43:14 which seems to be compiled into the .edj file Aug 01 17:44:59 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r50214ede139e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin Aug 01 17:44:59 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re67f87cc554a 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap Aug 01 17:45:33 I found the bg very Lao Tzu Aug 01 17:46:08 railer: Because they're relying on the USB interface of the SoC, which only offers USB 1.1 Aug 01 17:47:42 pretty smooth interface fso II Aug 01 17:47:54 railer, agreed Aug 01 17:48:58 phone buggy :(9999 Aug 01 17:49:26 buggyphone Aug 01 17:50:00 first digit repeat and nothing out? Aug 01 17:52:42 apm not working in terminal? Aug 01 17:53:35 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb733c92acbe3 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/racing_condition.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit Aug 01 17:54:07 railer: just press the power button and it will suspend Aug 01 17:55:02 and it was said that gps doesn't work with sd cards and fso Aug 01 17:55:51 with the kernel patch, it's ok Aug 01 17:56:30 (and with the hardware trick, it seems to be even better) Aug 01 17:56:47 oops, I have to go, good bye everyone! Aug 01 17:56:49 no phone, quite dead, how do I check mt gsm no FOS2 Aug 01 17:57:02 phone works for me Aug 01 17:57:13 the first digit does not show up at first Aug 01 17:57:25 you have to press the second, then both show up Aug 01 17:57:32 first digit shows twice for me Aug 01 17:57:44 railer: then you pressed it twice Aug 01 17:57:49 i had that problem too Aug 01 17:57:51 lol Aug 01 17:58:01 evening all Aug 01 17:58:14 you have to be quite careful what you touch Aug 01 17:58:46 that's what my wife told me! Aug 01 17:59:13 I have a question.. I'm trying to install some Java runtime thingy (and also minimo) but I'm getting "an error has occured" or unresolved dependencies and it seems that the repositories are pretty much bare) Aug 01 17:59:19 ok reboot fixed it all Aug 01 17:59:47 i'm using 2007.2 with the repos of scaredy-cat and jalimo added Aug 01 18:00:38 are other people encountering that problem? Aug 01 18:01:05 +as well Aug 01 18:01:31 reboot got the gps started as well Aug 01 18:01:40 Hi all. I'm learrning Python and want to install it on my FR. I have flashed my phone with Qtopia (newest version) Aug 01 18:02:02 railer: yes you have to reboot the whole image one time Aug 01 18:02:16 the first time it just installs the config files,... Aug 01 18:02:19 madjo: Did you do "opkg update" after adding the configs? Aug 01 18:02:24 I like the bars at the top need on for gps and wifi as well Aug 01 18:02:52 yes I did abraxa... and noticed that the openmoko buildhost's packages were giving 404s Aug 01 18:03:10 but I'll try it again Aug 01 18:03:20 zhone++ Aug 01 18:03:21 ok "b G1 w S1" at the top any guesses what that is? Aug 01 18:03:32 is installing Python (+ PyQt?) possible with the qtopia image? Aug 01 18:03:47 couldn't get zhone to work for me. :) (it refused to show a keypad to enter a PIN) Aug 01 18:03:48 madjo: right now buildhost is all "build", no "host". Updated packages should appear eventually Aug 01 18:03:59 ah ok Aug 01 18:04:03 I'll wait then Aug 01 18:04:24 T0o0T: that's something I'd like to know as well Aug 01 18:04:30 I know you can install it on the ASU Aug 01 18:04:42 but you'll need to install Qt/X11 as well Aug 01 18:04:55 I right now got this for example: Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 404 (and also for armv4t) Aug 01 18:05:01 yesterday it did work :) Aug 01 18:05:06 but I'll wait patiently Aug 01 18:05:22 what's the batterylife for you all? Aug 01 18:05:30 kelvie: I like the qtopia image, so I'd rather not switch to ASU or 2007.2 Aug 01 18:06:10 madjo: with suspend i think i will get ~50-60 hours Aug 01 18:06:15 but I never tried it Aug 01 18:06:28 I used the features way too much Aug 01 18:07:04 I have read that all libaries should coexist with each other, but I haven't seen a how to.. Aug 01 18:07:19 Does the bitbake command do anything differently if you give it the bb package name versus the bb file path? Aug 01 18:07:22 hmmmm... I had it with me to work... unplugged it at 8am, and around 7pm it was already showing a red battery icon (with dim-then-lock) Aug 01 18:08:09 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 01 18:08:58 well i barely used the phone.. just a little showing it at work, and 1 call and a few smses... but still... I think that +/- 8hrs is not that great Aug 01 18:09:17 No, it's not. Aug 01 18:09:20 It's a work in progress. Aug 01 18:09:31 :) Aug 01 18:09:32 indeed Aug 01 18:09:42 well it gets me through the workday Aug 01 18:09:57 railer: b=bluetooth, G=gsm, w=wifi,s=gps; capital=ON, lowercase=OFF, number=#clients Aug 01 18:10:15 railer: Also see the FSO UI Tutorial on the wiki Aug 01 18:11:20 Does the bitbake command do anything differently if you give it the bb package name versus the bb file path? Aug 01 18:11:33 hmmm... I lost the top icons on my phone Aug 01 18:11:47 so I have a question - DNS isn't working on my phone at present, resolv.conf is fine and I can see my machine. What am I missing? Aug 01 18:12:01 I have the auto-iptables stuff in my desktops /etc/network/interfaces, but maybe it's not working right? Aug 01 18:12:13 jadams_: Can you ping your router from the neo? Aug 01 18:13:12 abraxa_, yes Aug 01 18:13:14 ahh bloody reconnect Aug 01 18:13:27 can you ping google.com? Aug 01 18:13:28 seriously, am i the only one having trouble updating om2007.2 today? Aug 01 18:13:35 i can't get it to do jack crap Aug 01 18:13:35 no you're not, tkep Aug 01 18:13:36 abraxa_, thanks Aug 01 18:13:39 oh, ok Aug 01 18:13:40 good Aug 01 18:13:41 abraxa_, added my router as a ns, golden Aug 01 18:13:47 earlier no one responded :) Aug 01 18:13:55 anyone ever had a problem with qpe sucking all the cpu power on asu ? Aug 01 18:13:56 q Aug 01 18:14:02 any ideas on when we can do it :) Aug 01 18:14:02 jadams_: concerning the dns Aug 01 18:14:14 ifdown usb0 should do the job Aug 01 18:14:20 no idea, tkep... Aug 01 18:14:36 I would like to know that myself as well :) Aug 01 18:14:59 le sigh... Aug 01 18:16:32 what do you people do when the icons at the top disappear? Aug 01 18:16:42 I can't do an opkg update: http://pastie.org/245774 Aug 01 18:16:43 (like signal strength, battery level etc) Aug 01 18:17:36 my distribution? Aug 01 18:17:56 jadams Aug 01 18:18:04 you have to add the repos Aug 01 18:18:23 fso m2 doesn't come with any configured repo Aug 01 18:18:46 my-distribution.org is just a placeholder Aug 01 18:20:14 and the openmoko buildhosts aren't complete at the moment Aug 01 18:20:43 should we set up something from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories ? Aug 01 18:21:08 ...and fso is keeping you another surprise, when you configure the repos and try to make an opkg upgrade... Aug 01 18:21:31 Yasumoto: yes, for a start Aug 01 18:22:17 Yasumoto, jadams: opkg version in fso m2 is broken. it segfaults when trying to upgrade packages Aug 01 18:22:46 haha, ouch Aug 01 18:23:17 and Chox said that when he managed to overcome this, the upgrade messed it all up... Aug 01 18:23:23 :o! Aug 01 18:23:41 aiee, because it upgraded opkg to a broken version? Aug 01 18:23:44 ...or that's what i've understood...:P Aug 01 18:24:04 not cos of opkg. cos of stuff which doesn't work with FSO II Aug 01 18:24:25 yep... Aug 01 18:24:42 mmaestri, aha, ok I'll just chill probably Aug 01 18:24:48 FSO II is hotness though Aug 01 18:25:11 mm, alright Aug 01 18:25:28 so it's best to wait for a bit, then? Aug 01 18:25:28 jadams: yes it is, but it doesn't worked as a phone very well to me Aug 01 18:25:43 mmaestri, are you kidding? It's the best phone distro I've found for the neo so far Aug 01 18:25:53 mmaestri, it's the first time I feel comfortable switching to it as my primary phone Aug 01 18:26:20 mmaestri, the options for a given record from the address book leave tons to be desired...but FSO I I didn't even have a keyboard to text with Aug 01 18:26:21 Yasumoto: if you can't live without upgrade, yes Aug 01 18:26:39 i like zhone Aug 01 18:27:40 I'll wait till FSO is more stable, but for now I use 2007.2 with scaredy-cat additions :) Aug 01 18:28:00 jadams: but...with 2007.2 i managed to make a few phone calls, receive calls, and sms worked well too Aug 01 18:28:16 mmaestri, all of that works better for me on FSO II than anywhere else Aug 01 18:28:26 I STILL haven't gotten decent gps though Aug 01 18:28:56 fso sound turned choppy to me, and phone calls hanged up Aug 01 18:29:32 gotta leave, see ya in a few hours :p Aug 01 18:29:34 bye Aug 01 18:31:07 I encountered something funny with the messaging app in 2007.2. I had sent an sms to someone, and it turned up in my received folder Aug 01 18:32:43 fso 2 does not do incoming sms. and audio was gone after suspend; so I'm not using it as primary phone yet. Aug 01 18:33:09 but if fso 3 is going t have the same improvement over 2 as 2 has over 1, I guess that's the moment I will :) Aug 01 18:34:10 I'll keep an eye on it Aug 01 18:34:50 I've just read some discussions here and it seems like nobody is using qtopia. Or is it the silent majority? :) Aug 01 18:35:06 i use it Aug 01 18:35:40 I have installed it today and it seems to be a huge improvement compared to 2007.2 Aug 01 18:35:50 :) of course Aug 01 18:35:51 hmm, handy Aug 01 18:36:18 my freerunner started clicking on the top left corner all by itself Aug 01 18:36:28 well not exactly top left Aug 01 18:36:33 but slightly below that Aug 01 18:36:45 I am only a bit worried about the availability of programs for it. Aug 01 18:36:48 the location of the dialer Aug 01 18:37:09 T0o0T: what app do yo need? Aug 01 18:37:25 Python Aug 01 18:38:57 Python is installed by default? Aug 01 18:39:22 ? Aug 01 18:39:28 let me have a look.. Aug 01 18:39:35 i think it is Aug 01 18:39:36 [20:27] I'll wait till FSO is more stable, but for now I use 2007.2 with scaredy-cat additions :) Aug 01 18:39:48 Could you link a scaredycat image? Aug 01 18:40:00 well I added the scaredy-cat repositories Aug 01 18:40:12 because the images seemed a bit outdated Aug 01 18:40:19 ah Aug 01 18:40:29 well what does that add? Aug 01 18:40:41 what stuff is in those repositories? Aug 01 18:41:19 it added python for me... and timesheet and a filemanager Aug 01 18:41:34 and a to-do list Aug 01 18:42:12 yo Aug 01 18:42:25 is the broken kernel still in the developer package repos? Aug 01 18:42:33 I think it was removed Aug 01 18:42:39 (i want to run a upgrade already) Aug 01 18:42:40 ok Aug 01 18:42:46 om gona try Aug 01 18:43:13 but I'm not 100% sure, but if I go by the wiki, the offending package has been removed Aug 01 18:43:34 nope Python is not installed by default on qtopia. Aug 01 18:43:40 i dont yet have important data on the phone Aug 01 18:44:09 maybe not on qtopia Aug 01 18:44:39 btw, when will it be possible to sync the contact-list with a pim-suite on the pc? Aug 01 18:46:35 rsync + OM on the PC in a window? Aug 01 18:47:12 SpeedEvil: thats not syncing with a pim suite, thats at best a hack suitable for hackers playing with the device Aug 01 18:50:49 I'd think conduit would be a nice fit Aug 01 18:50:53 everyone familiar with GNOME Conduit? Aug 01 18:51:02 it's an exciting little bit o' software Aug 01 18:52:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r665cd38eecd8 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add dbus calls to configure debug logger levels at runtime Aug 01 18:55:41 jadams_: I'll get conduit support as soon as I can, yes Aug 01 18:55:58 abraxa_, awesomeness Aug 01 18:56:04 I just discovered conduit and I think it's awesome Aug 01 18:56:12 jadams_: It is Aug 01 18:56:15 if nothing else, saving sets off of flickr is a thousand times easier with it :) Aug 01 18:57:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r20fe16e84839 10/framework/controller.py: remove private controller API that wasn't to be used Aug 01 18:58:56 How can I use ogg123 on the FR? Aug 01 18:59:02 It's asking for a driver Aug 01 19:00:16 hmmm - i can't seem to ping anywhere on my openmoko Aug 01 19:00:23 i could last night though :( Aug 01 19:01:18 check your /etc/resolve.conf file Aug 01 19:01:30 and make sure wifi is up :) Aug 01 19:01:45 it's via usb atm Aug 01 19:01:49 not got wifi working yet Aug 01 19:02:27 ah ok...well then check the resolve file.. and did you ifconfig the usb0 to an ip-address? Aug 01 19:03:26 i know why it is Aug 01 19:03:33 i did it to the wrong ip Aug 01 19:03:36 which the example used Aug 01 19:04:11 or maybe not... Aug 01 19:08:31 when I turn on the wifi... it starts clicking Aug 01 19:09:16 weird Aug 01 19:09:26 it's teh motor! Aug 01 19:09:29 maybe. Aug 01 19:09:33 could be Aug 01 19:09:36 madjo: It's just trying to let you know that it's working :) Aug 01 19:09:39 well it could be the terminal Aug 01 19:09:42 hahaha abraxa_ Aug 01 19:09:54 could be GSM messing with your computer speakers Aug 01 19:10:12 no not making sound Aug 01 19:10:18 but pressing the upper-left icon Aug 01 19:10:25 bonus sound feature. Aug 01 19:10:54 ...easter egg... Aug 01 19:10:54 but I got it to stop doing that now Aug 01 19:11:21 but it kept creating new terminal windows... and when I closed that, it kept pressing the dialer icon.. :S Aug 01 19:11:37 it did not do that yesterday, nor throughout the day today Aug 01 19:11:47 it only just now started doing that Aug 01 19:12:23 but it's stopped Aug 01 19:12:55 buildhost.openmoko.org is not yet ready Aug 01 19:13:04 in case anyone is wondering :) Aug 01 19:26:49 zhone is just really impressive. I can't wait for the next update from those guys :) Aug 01 19:26:53 :o Aug 01 19:26:59 FSO II is so much better and usable than FSO I it's insane Aug 01 19:27:08 I've actually got people interested in the phone now :) Aug 01 19:27:17 FSO II ftw! Aug 01 19:27:30 SRSLY Aug 01 19:27:38 can you do anything other than calls on it? Aug 01 19:27:52 GPS, but I couldn't make that work Aug 01 19:27:57 and you can install stuff on it Aug 01 19:27:58 like, tangogps? I haven't tried it because it looked like it doesn't have many features Aug 01 19:28:07 how can this plug be one for a headset with mic? http://i21.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/fd/bc/422d_1.JPG (it only has two rings) Aug 01 19:28:18 newer version of tangoGPS is h0t. Aug 01 19:28:34 Chox: how new? Aug 01 19:28:39 FSO wouldn't work well for me,sadly Aug 01 19:28:54 approx what is on the website. Newer than the one in 2007.2 until recently Aug 01 19:29:16 k. yeah, I like that one too. Aug 01 19:44:16 can anyone confirm that Path in .desktop files is *not* handled correctly by matchbox-desktop? Aug 01 19:46:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2710a6de1bc8 10/framework/objectquery.py: add dbus method to configure logging destination at runtime Aug 01 19:50:22 where is the control file for the ringtone in 2007.2? Aug 01 19:52:41 While still waiting for OM to offer FR in the webstore, I decided to install qemu and check openmoko. I followed the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU but it has a line that needs clarification: Aug 01 19:53:03 in 'Neo FreeRunner (GTA02)' section, it says: The instructions for running the emulator are the same for FreeRunner, but the final command line to invoke qemu changes. Instead of "-M gta01" as the machine name "-M gta02fake" has to be used. Aug 01 19:53:16 where actually do I need to put this? Aug 01 19:55:28 smhar: can't you just emulate gta01? Aug 01 19:56:36 lindi-: I did not even see a -M gta01, so I assume what I have is a gta01 Aug 01 19:59:28 yep Aug 01 20:02:01 lpotter: pong Aug 01 20:02:38 hello everybody Aug 01 20:02:46 hi Aug 01 20:03:19 i ordered a free runner today :) Aug 01 20:03:28 \o/ Aug 01 20:03:33 nice Aug 01 20:04:31 hmmm Aug 01 20:04:54 The joy of vacation must be coming back to 4500 mails on the mailing lists Aug 01 20:04:58 when am i gonna get the time to read all this heh Aug 01 20:05:06 it's mostly trash, trust me Aug 01 20:05:53 we need more posts about top or bottom posting, not seen for a bit :) Aug 01 20:05:56 i believe you heh Aug 01 20:05:58 yes Aug 01 20:05:59 i only read titles Aug 01 20:06:10 Thread! Aug 01 20:06:11 people so lazy. Learn to trim the freakin' crap. Aug 01 20:06:20 then you only have to read a few percent of titles. Aug 01 20:06:40 i use nabbles rss Aug 01 20:06:59 Just say no! Aug 01 20:08:21 malik1972: ping Aug 01 20:08:33 im just excited somebody might arrange a london openmoko meetup....it doesnt take a lot to get me going Aug 01 20:08:52 wyze: /etc/pulse/session Aug 01 20:09:05 found it ...thanks ;) Aug 01 20:10:19 lambda, where from? Aug 01 20:10:36 when I issue a openmoko/qemu-auto.sh I have openmoko booting to 100% . now it says no network, obviously , but all the buttons are non clickable. what to do now?! Aug 01 20:10:40 i am from france Aug 01 20:10:55 not well represented, i huess Aug 01 20:11:04 s/guess Aug 01 20:11:24 2008.8? shr ... hehe, no names left? Aug 01 20:11:44 lambda check the local groups part on the wiki u never know Aug 01 20:11:58 on the planet ? Aug 01 20:11:58 lambda, i meant where did you order from? Aug 01 20:12:03 I only have 4 big buttons at tbe bottom, a mobile a QT a star and a lock Aug 01 20:12:16 lambda no on the wiki there is a section for local groups and france Aug 01 20:12:18 i purchased it from bearstech Aug 01 20:12:31 lambda, they still have some left? Aug 01 20:12:39 i dunno Aug 01 20:12:42 i gonna wait Aug 01 20:14:06 lpotter: is there a sdk for the freerunner? Aug 01 20:14:11 heh Aug 01 20:14:19 MokoMakefile Aug 01 20:14:39 rooly: do you have those videos of 3D engine on FR? Aug 01 20:14:40 lambda u a functional programmer? Aug 01 20:14:55 hum, anyone have a USB keyboard working with their FR? Aug 01 20:14:56 no an end user Aug 01 20:14:56 chox: for qtopia 4.x development ... Aug 01 20:15:00 I guess I need an A->mini A adaptor Aug 01 20:15:40 lambda ok cos lambda are anonymous functions .... just wondered ;) Aug 01 20:15:50 lpotter: did you tried citymap on the fr? Aug 01 20:15:51 yeah python scritping Aug 01 20:15:55 :o Aug 01 20:16:11 still need to try the GPS... yesterday it couldn't get a fix Aug 01 20:16:17 but it might have been an old kernel Aug 01 20:17:09 lpotter: meanwhile i localized some stability issues, in many cases incoming sms cause them when the neo is suspended Aug 01 20:17:41 can anyone explain to me where i can tell apmd on what events to resume? Aug 01 20:17:49 i can get it to suspend fine, but it won't wake up ;( Aug 01 20:18:09 so sleepy Aug 01 20:18:23 not even on keeping the power button pressed? Aug 01 20:18:33 and why the hell are we still using APM in 2008? Aug 01 20:18:46 Chox: is there acpi for arm? Aug 01 20:18:52 madjo: after some time it reboots, no resume though Aug 01 20:18:59 Of course. Aug 01 20:19:00 weird Aug 01 20:19:03 which image? Aug 01 20:19:07 Has been for 4 years Aug 01 20:19:22 ACPI is a hardware matter, not an ARM matter, really. Aug 01 20:19:46 madjo: debian :) Aug 01 20:19:46 Chox: i have a feeling you are not going to find answer to that question here :/ Aug 01 20:20:00 anyway, so it *should* wake up without any configuration on AUX and POWER? Aug 01 20:20:00 ah... hmm, no idea then Aug 01 20:20:16 I did an ARM embedded project 4 years ago, for a not too dissimilar device. Even then APM was old school. Aug 01 20:20:21 i can't find any configuration file for apmd anywhere on the 2007.2 filesystem Aug 01 20:20:31 yes, ACPI is x86 only, afaik. Aug 01 20:20:46 wow windows is amazing... Aug 01 20:20:46 ecraven: guess what, it's hardwired into neod. Aug 01 20:20:56 apm is just a command, in our case. the kernel knows exactly which registers to hit to suspend. Aug 01 20:21:07 two years ago i had some kind of file in my documents that crashed windows explorer whenever i tried to open it Aug 01 20:21:08 a misleading command :-( Aug 01 20:21:21 accidentally i put it on my external hdd, and it's been there ever since Aug 01 20:21:22 Chox: wtf, really? Aug 01 20:21:26 cjb: the question is *when* to resume Aug 01 20:21:36 i'll have a look at neod then.. Aug 01 20:21:49 now, two version later, using vista instead of windows 2000 i get the same error trying to view the backup... Aug 01 20:21:50 that's not going to be decided by any code running on the CPU Aug 01 20:22:02 since the point of being suspended is to turn the CPU off :) Aug 01 20:22:08 sort of expected they'd fix the bug :| Aug 01 20:22:11 ecraven: but guess what, the file in question is closely replicated in the panel code. I'm not sure which version is being used. Aug 01 20:22:25 cjb: well, someone has to tell it whether to resume on gsm, touchscreen, buttons.. etc. Aug 01 20:22:29 btw, is there a way to get energy consumption estimate on gta02? Aug 01 20:22:33 without extra hardware, that is Aug 01 20:22:43 Chox: am i the only one who thinks something is very wrong with this approach? Aug 01 20:22:46 acpi -t ? Aug 01 20:22:50 lindi-: that's a good question Aug 01 20:22:56 ecraven: well, I went looking for it :p Aug 01 20:22:58 only workaround i have is to look at output of 'apm' and count how long it takes for it to go from N% to N-1% Aug 01 20:23:06 ecraven: FSO ftw. Aug 01 20:23:07 lindi-: you'd get it by integrating the loss of current over time, if you can get that Aug 01 20:23:13 right Aug 01 20:23:31 I don't think you're going to get any better than that Aug 01 20:23:44 cjb: where does 'apm' get its data? Aug 01 20:23:56 (you can use raw current loss, rather than the sanitized percentage, I bet?) Aug 01 20:23:59 /proc/apm it seems Aug 01 20:24:05 where does kernel get it? ;) Aug 01 20:24:08 lindi-: try /sys/class/power_supply Aug 01 20:24:31 kernel gets it from the battery class driver that knows how to talk to the power management unit Aug 01 20:24:47 cjb: current_now? Aug 01 20:24:51 sure Aug 01 20:25:30 I run the qemu but I only got a static picture, almost of the OM interface? how to operate it with a mouse as the right left and middle buttons do no do anything? Aug 01 20:25:52 cjb: cool Aug 01 20:26:05 cjb: this lets me optimize for lower energy consumption Aug 01 20:27:09 Chox: as far as i can see, it just calls apm -s Aug 01 20:27:13 nothing magical about resume there Aug 01 20:27:18 except that "current_now" does not seem to correlate with cpu usage much, hmm Aug 01 20:27:20 yessir. Aug 01 20:27:28 but the times are hardwired :o Aug 01 20:27:37 lindi-: hm, I think that's surprising Aug 01 20:27:40 so it should actually work on debian, if i just start apm -s Aug 01 20:27:45 yes. Aug 01 20:28:18 unless something else in userspace is programming the power management unit, yes Aug 01 20:28:29 cjb: any idea what units those should be? Aug 01 20:28:48 maybe charging interacts with the measurements Aug 01 20:29:02 lindi-: maybe coulombs Aug 01 20:29:09 oh, I'm sure it does Aug 01 20:29:49 while charing, im getting a negative current from current_now Aug 01 20:30:14 current_now probably means the current draw coming out of the battery Aug 01 20:30:24 where negative means it's increasing. Aug 01 20:30:38 yep Aug 01 20:30:39 a -current is charging... a +current is using power :) Aug 01 20:31:06 malik1972: cool Aug 01 20:32:16 hm.. should apm -S work? Aug 01 20:32:22 i get apm: Invalid argument Aug 01 20:32:40 man apm :o Aug 01 20:32:46 doesn't show anything Aug 01 20:32:48 aw Aug 01 20:32:51 and apm -s clearly works Aug 01 20:33:03 trace apm -S Aug 01 20:33:06 strace apm -S Aug 01 20:33:36 isn't it supposed to be lowercase s? Aug 01 20:33:59 -S is standby, -s is suspend Aug 01 20:34:16 I suspect that standby is unimplemented in the kernel driver Aug 01 20:34:24 -SS is for silly Aug 01 20:34:30 and your request makes it down to a stub function in the kernel that returns -EINVAL Aug 01 20:34:35 nice. Aug 01 20:34:46 ... ;-/ Aug 01 20:35:08 well, i can resume, but it gets stuck somewhere, problems on debian :( Aug 01 20:35:25 a problem in Debian? nooooooooooo! Aug 01 20:35:43 ecraven: the set of valid interrrupts that trigger a resume are hard-coded into the kernel. Aug 01 20:36:02 You cannot change them with any user-space action. Aug 01 20:36:08 mwester: because it has to be like this, or because it is implemented like this? Aug 01 20:36:18 This is the way the hardware works. Aug 01 20:36:38 An interrupt is required to begin the power-up sequence; the bootloader and the resume code do the rest. Aug 01 20:36:39 mwester: that's not really true. Aug 01 20:36:56 mwester: the power management unit could be reprogrammed from userspace if kernelspace allowed it to be. Aug 01 20:37:18 ie. /sys/power/wakeup_triggers could accept echo {0,1} to entries for each wakeup device. Aug 01 20:37:21 lpotter: what is cool?;-) Aug 01 20:37:49 (so, I claim that this is how the software works, and not how the hardware works.) Aug 01 20:37:50 cjb: I'm not into "splitting hairs" -- theorectically one could, with sufficient hardware assistance, implement anything. The issue is what the standard kernel actually *DOES* implement. Aug 01 20:38:08 mwester: right. which is different than what the hardware implements. Aug 01 20:38:26 malik1972: lpotter: meanwhile i localized some stability issues, in many cases incoming sms cause them when the neo is suspended Aug 01 20:38:27 Whatever. Either people want assistance with an issue, or they want to argue. Aug 01 20:38:40 how to ssh to the OM in qemu from the debian host? what is the IP, username and password? Aug 01 20:38:53 ecraven did not ask a question about what could be done if the kernel were to be rewritten. Aug 01 20:38:56 ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 01 20:38:57 no password Aug 01 20:39:01 lpotter: thats not so easy as one thinks because ... Aug 01 20:39:05 mwester: I want to argue. Aug 01 20:39:12 mwester: I don't mean to argue unnecessarily. If ecraven wants to set the wakeup interrupt mask from userspace, I think that is possible with a modicum of coding to expose the mask to userspace. Aug 01 20:39:24 (We do exactly this for OLPC.) Aug 01 20:39:27 Then do so, and instruct ecraven on how to use your kernel. Aug 01 20:39:31 Regards. Aug 01 20:39:46 the default password with the image on the Debian page is in fact, "openmoko" Aug 01 20:39:53 as it says :p Aug 01 20:40:10 oh, i thought you were on a debian system, wanting to log into an FR Aug 01 20:40:26 lpotter: if the fr does not wake up from a call, my provider sends an sms with a note that i missed the call, the fr freezes and i get this note some hours later Aug 01 20:40:40 oh, "Debian host". my fault :p Aug 01 20:40:55 see the USB Networking page instead. Also my fault :-) Aug 01 20:40:56 heh Aug 01 20:41:03 * Chox takes all blame Aug 01 20:43:14 lpotter: in the beginning i thought that the incoming call frozed the fr ... another problem: using an own ringtone/mp3 takes to long, pressing answer is problematic as qtopia does not react immediately Aug 01 20:43:49 I am confused. I have the FR image running, but there are no applications, not a single one, and not a way to install one Aug 01 20:43:54 well, qtopia is slow t answer anyway ;( Aug 01 20:44:09 smhar: use ssh to log in, run opkg update, then opkg install ;) Aug 01 20:44:29 which image? :) Aug 01 20:45:12 lpotter: 2xanswer=hang up Aug 01 20:45:50 lpotter: i switched back to the original ringtone:-) Aug 01 20:45:52 ecraven: to ssh I need to connect through the 'virtual' usb networking, right? is ther eanother way too? Aug 01 20:46:02 in 2007.2 if you hang up.. it's only on your side of the conversation.. the other side will get a busy signal Aug 01 20:46:32 smhar: you can use bluetooth or wifi, but those are not automatically initialized on the standard images Aug 01 20:46:41 has anyone here had problems with their gps not connecting at all? Aug 01 20:46:44 so usb it is, except if you set it up differently Aug 01 20:47:01 ajbrun: yes, most of us, do you have an sd card in? did you update your kernel recently? Aug 01 20:47:28 i've not done the kernel yet Aug 01 20:47:34 and i've tried with and without sd Aug 01 20:47:41 madjo: 2007.2 is dead :) Aug 01 20:47:52 can i do the kernel now, or will i get 404's atm? Aug 01 20:47:54 it's the most stable version I have tried Aug 01 20:48:09 just a sec, ajbrun ...I'm trying that right now:) Aug 01 20:48:16 is ASU the 'best' to use atm? Aug 01 20:48:27 best = fastest/smoothest Aug 01 20:48:35 couldn't get the GSM part to work Aug 01 20:48:56 it's almost ready... Aug 01 20:48:59 ajbrun: FSO is, I'd say (aside from pyneo, which isn't quite public atm) Aug 01 20:49:22 is the 'official' version not going to be asu though? Aug 01 20:49:24 only the om-gta02/packages.gz is missing, ajbrun Aug 01 20:49:35 kk ty madjo Aug 01 20:50:02 well at least that's what I get from opkg update Aug 01 20:50:03 :) Aug 01 20:50:08 could be that more packages are missing Aug 01 20:50:44 have to attempt my 1st kernel update then :) Aug 01 20:51:43 I'd wait a bit Aug 01 20:52:20 oh how come? Aug 01 20:54:12 because not everything seems to be there yet... Aug 01 20:55:35 i've just seen a new SHR distro on the wiki - from what i've heard, asu is going to be the official release eventually, whilst FSO is the smoothest to run atm? Aug 01 20:57:17 if I could get ASU to run stably... I'd run it :) Aug 01 20:58:22 i see - i think i'll try FSO next then. Just want a feel of what's what and the differences between them all Aug 01 20:58:42 but i want gps working 1st really - just hope it's not a hardware fault Aug 01 21:04:10 how to install anything java and mobile-java related... :) (try to install 'cacao' and you get cries about a missing libgcc-s1 :) ) Aug 01 21:04:41 what about jalimo Aug 01 21:05:02 could try that Aug 01 21:05:31 I added their repos already Aug 01 21:05:43 # opkg install jalimo Aug 01 21:05:43 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 01 21:06:07 jamvm then Aug 01 21:06:19 also missing that libgcc-s1 Aug 01 21:06:27 try --force... Aug 01 21:06:43 javafx anyone? Aug 01 21:06:48 nah... I think I need to wait till all packages are back on openmoko's buildhost:) Aug 01 21:06:54 force-depends Aug 01 21:07:27 does https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages not work? Aug 01 21:07:33 I first want to make a backup of my current setup, before I do that Aug 01 21:07:46 good idea Aug 01 21:08:32 shutting down the phone... now :) Aug 01 21:09:18 now what were those commands again (goes and checks the wiki Aug 01 21:10:10 btw, does anyone know if backing up still is broken? Aug 01 21:10:22 you can netcat your mtd partitions Aug 01 21:10:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup :) Aug 01 21:12:08 ok guys wtf ? cron isn't able to be installed wtf is this ? Aug 01 21:12:13 bah Aug 01 21:12:18 opkg install cron -- error 2 Aug 01 21:13:30 hey Aug 01 21:13:56 btw doe ringtones have to be in wav format ? Aug 01 21:14:52 with pulseaudio, yes Aug 01 21:15:08 I can't even grab a backup :( Aug 01 21:15:26 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( --- ah ok so how does one convert oggs to waves rofl Aug 01 21:15:43 * dbmoodb_ doesn't like pulse audoi Aug 01 21:15:59 does someone use the FSO dialer ? Aug 01 21:16:17 feydreva: i've used it Aug 01 21:16:27 i have some can of bug to it .. Aug 01 21:16:33 I can reach my voicemail... Aug 01 21:16:42 but it asks for a password like 1234# Aug 01 21:16:54 and the 1234 and the # char are not in the same page, Aug 01 21:17:07 you have to press shift to acces the # Aug 01 21:17:08 so Aug 01 21:17:28 so each time, the voicemail tells me, please answer the password again... Aug 01 21:17:29 huh? Aug 01 21:17:32 and finally hangs up Aug 01 21:18:09 mmaestri, don't you have a password for your voicemail ? Aug 01 21:18:35 feydreva: no Aug 01 21:18:48 we don't why --- a "phone" password is secre now ? Aug 01 21:18:51 feydreva: i have Aug 01 21:18:51 secure* Aug 01 21:19:29 but the dialer doesn' t seem to have numbers at one "page" and # on another Aug 01 21:19:31 so anyway.. with the current FSO dialer, and the current FSO keyboard.. I cannot enter my 4 digit + #.. Aug 01 21:19:48 it fails all the time... Aug 01 21:20:15 are you using qwerty keyboard to dial...? Aug 01 21:20:18 mmaestri, hum... if you go to the nomal keyboard, you do not have number, the qwerty, do not have the # Aug 01 21:20:25 the number keyboard, do not have the # Aug 01 21:20:44 you can have the # from the number keyboard by pressing shift Aug 01 21:20:58 I m sure if I have the number, and # on the same page, it could work... Aug 01 21:21:04 feydreva: the dialer in zhone has the numbers AND the #, as any keypad Aug 01 21:21:37 mmaestri, when you call the voicemail.. the dialer disappears.. Aug 01 21:21:57 you have Voicemail written, with 2 button : hang up or Hold Aug 01 21:22:04 feydreva: good point Aug 01 21:22:26 not a big voicemail user :P Aug 01 21:22:33 so I need the number, the * and the # still here... Aug 01 21:22:40 otherwise.. it s a useless dialer,,, Aug 01 21:23:17 i guess i m gonna pen a bug.. Aug 01 21:23:24 actually, you need zhone designed in a way that you can still use the keypad when calling Aug 01 21:23:50 like a button onscreen to invoke the dialer Aug 01 21:25:02 hum Aug 01 21:25:11 anyone here working with erlang on the neo? Aug 01 21:25:30 mmaestri, hum no doesn;t work Aug 01 21:27:13 feydreva: what doesn't work? i was suggesting a "feature" on zhone, not pointing a way to make it Aug 01 21:27:18 btw, does okpg works today ? Aug 01 21:27:26 mmaestri, ah ok :) sorry :) Aug 01 21:27:54 it didn't worked a few hours ago Aug 01 21:27:58 mmaestri, I aggre with you, we need a way to have the dialer back Aug 01 21:29:10 feydreva: well... there must be a zhone-request mailing list, right...? Aug 01 21:30:42 mmaestri, why not opening a bug/request on the openmoko tracs ? that s the use of it no ? (taged as FSO Aug 01 21:33:23 anyone got any thoughts about sound working after resume? Aug 01 21:34:02 the repos are still not entirely up. Aug 01 21:34:09 who called Aug 01 21:34:26 thank you for openmoko, i love it Aug 01 21:34:58 * rooly needs to get a camera out Aug 01 21:35:41 feydreva: perhaps Aug 01 21:35:58 does anyone else have sound coming back on after suspend? Aug 01 21:36:36 feydreva: so file that request...it seems a useful idea Aug 01 21:37:10 a lot of things often come back randomly with the moko Aug 01 21:37:11 yay! repos seem up Aug 01 21:37:25 tkep: which repos? Aug 01 21:37:43 tkep: hmmm... i don't think it's complete yet Aug 01 21:37:50 i'm missing python-pygtk Aug 01 21:37:59 armv4t and all Aug 01 21:38:03 not all of them yet :( Aug 01 21:38:14 I jsut did :) I consider it has a bug.. beeing able to send number # or * is a basic dialer function (voicemail, and other phone services, sometimes phone payment etc etc etc) Aug 01 21:38:16 but at least something is happening :) Aug 01 21:38:24 not all of them yet :( Aug 01 21:38:30 i am missing it too, lol Aug 01 21:38:45 evening Aug 01 21:39:07 being able to "call" *100# is essential to checking the amount left on many prepaid SIMs here Aug 01 21:39:40 Wonka, I think that would work Aug 01 21:39:41 I just unpacked the neo, set up usb networking, did a naive upgrade... and ended up with a phone that doesn't boot Aug 01 21:39:55 Wonka: that's not a problem Aug 01 21:39:57 I just see some error messages flutted by :-/ Aug 01 21:40:04 flutter Aug 01 21:40:06 okay :) Aug 01 21:40:16 so you mean sending DTMF tones? Aug 01 21:40:27 yeah my freerunner doesn't boot anymore after updating it last night Aug 01 21:40:33 btw, are there any plans to fix the boot-times? (3 minutes are kinda pain) Aug 01 21:40:36 no error the screen just goes black Aug 01 21:40:47 cozub: you should still be able to reflash it with dfu-util Aug 01 21:40:54 Wonka: zhone manages to do that. what you need is to have the keypad up Aug 01 21:40:54 yeah... Aug 01 21:40:59 trix: kernel update mess up Aug 01 21:41:00 so the current kernel is broken? Aug 01 21:41:03 hmmm.. gps not working here :S at least the AGPS diagnostic tool is unable to get a fix within 1 and a half minute Aug 01 21:41:16 cozub: no idea. Aug 01 21:41:21 100 failed fixes out of 100 Aug 01 21:41:24 cozub: my current kernel works. Aug 01 21:41:30 ronny do you know whether they released an updated, working one after that? Aug 01 21:41:32 hm Aug 01 21:41:40 or are people going back a few days Aug 01 21:41:44 gps under fso is not working properly Aug 01 21:41:56 gps under 2007.2 neither Aug 01 21:41:59 or i am not able to make it work Aug 01 21:42:02 trix: no idea Aug 01 21:42:13 trix: opkg is completely broken here Aug 01 21:42:23 ok, thx for the info ronny Aug 01 21:42:26 ronny: fso? Aug 01 21:42:36 cozub: i've got kernel 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r1 here and that one runs fine. Aug 01 21:42:54 mmaestri: fso?? Aug 01 21:43:07 which image do you use Aug 01 21:43:26 the openmoko repos are filling up again... slowly Aug 01 21:43:37 mmaestri: Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 01 21:43:44 Wonka: I yeh have to get up to speed with all this, thX anyway Aug 01 21:43:52 I'm off to read wiki :) Aug 01 21:44:13 which opkg version/revision? Aug 01 21:44:19 mom Aug 01 21:44:19 cozub: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 01 21:44:48 I already crunched the first one :) Aug 01 21:44:48 opkg version 0.99.163 Aug 01 21:44:50 thX Aug 01 21:45:08 ronny: ups....very old version Aug 01 21:45:37 yeah Aug 01 21:45:55 opgraded only opkg now Aug 01 21:46:12 now dropbear Aug 01 21:46:31 mmaestri, my gps worked fine this morning with fso... Aug 01 21:46:33 now everything else Aug 01 21:46:39 hope it will work Aug 01 21:47:16 feydreva: using gpsd? Aug 01 21:48:40 using tangogps Aug 01 21:49:44 yeah, but tangogps needs some help to work. usually it's gpsd Aug 01 21:50:11 k Aug 01 21:50:14 but in fso i thought that it was done through gypsy Aug 01 21:50:25 i played with that agps stuff lately Aug 01 21:50:38 AssistNow Online works fine Aug 01 21:50:45 but AssistNow Offline does not. Aug 01 21:51:10 yuck: Starting download: [######dfu_download error -71 Aug 01 21:51:13 the ubx packet telling the chip to ask for missing almanach data is NAKed Aug 01 21:51:22 Wonka: AssistNow? Aug 01 21:52:11 mmaestri: http://www.u-blox.com/services/index.html Aug 01 21:54:27 trix: Your battery might be almost empty Aug 01 21:54:39 ok, it's an agps implementation. Aug 01 21:55:08 abraxa i read about some of those problems, but have had it tethered to usb since last night Aug 01 21:55:10 hmm Aug 01 21:55:20 remove battery, connect to usb, then insert battery right? Aug 01 21:56:00 mmaestri: the "online" version works by getting a data packet with current time, almanach and ephemeris information for an approximated position and feeding that to the gps chip. that one works fine. Aug 01 21:56:16 mmaestri: problem is, it only works with internet connection. Aug 01 21:56:28 mmaestri: the "offline" version i do not get to work. Aug 01 21:56:53 can someone give me what he has on is /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf please ? Aug 01 21:56:54 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rcdc2a9f2112b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Aug 01 21:56:54 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Introduce safesplit and start using it Aug 01 21:56:54 freesmartphone.org: safesplit is like split, but doesn't split anything in between Aug 01 21:56:54 freesmartphone.org: quotation signs Aug 01 21:57:13 mmaestri: the 06 01 message turning on the 0b 32 packets is NAKed, and there's no reaction on a 0b 50 packet. Aug 01 21:58:33 trix: I don't think it matters really Aug 01 21:58:36 would NOR Flash going black screen right away indicate a battery problem? Aug 01 21:58:44 before any DFU has been run Aug 01 22:00:47 trix: I would assume so :) Aug 01 22:01:08 When in doubt, use the wall charger Aug 01 22:01:43 oh yeah Aug 01 22:01:45 hah Aug 01 22:01:48 forgot i had one of those. Aug 01 22:02:10 lol Aug 01 22:02:23 what are the repositories for the fso ? (to configure opkg for it) Aug 01 22:03:06 that's the problem, evidently. cool beans. unfortunately i already erased the kernel Aug 01 22:03:22 thanks for the help abraxa Aug 01 22:03:50 trix: You're welcome Aug 01 22:04:49 hm, flashing uImage-2.6.24+git20080424-om-gta02.bin didn't help, so I guess it must be the root fs Aug 01 22:05:33 I hope that it'll be possible to make backups of the rootfs and kernel and uboot again, soon. Aug 01 22:06:12 btw. I see "ADCRDY pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=something): scheduling work ..." being repeatedly printed on display Aug 01 22:07:07 Does the original U-boot sand the last kernel support ext3 ? (just to be able read, write, and mount as /home) Aug 01 22:07:10 as if X tried to start up among this mess, I saw some X-like spwe being mixed with the messages ^ Aug 01 22:07:45 hmm what happened to th edaily freerunner builds? Aug 01 22:08:28 they're building :) Aug 01 22:08:40 For some reason when I get an IP via wifi I can't ssh into the phone. However if I ssh out of the phone, the next time I try to ssh into the phone it works? Aug 01 22:09:08 didn't you write the oh-so-wonderful Wireless page? Oh, wait, never mind :p Aug 01 22:09:45 I'm off to bed Aug 01 22:09:47 night all Aug 01 22:09:54 cozub: The PCF50633 messages are kernel debug output Aug 01 22:10:35 abraxa_ hm, so that's normal? Aug 01 22:10:47 maybe I didn't nocie that before; either way X doesn't seem to start Aug 01 22:10:55 yet the console is quite flooded with those messages ^ Aug 01 22:11:04 i believe ive isolated the problem with the sims not registering Aug 01 22:11:07 cozub: Perfectly normal, yeah. X not starting, on the other hand... Aug 01 22:11:26 i was wondering - is it common that the wifi is extremely unstable? i can get an IP about 1 out of 50 times, and after that, when i ping google.com it only goes through every 30 secs or so. I've tried two different AP's with same result, and two different FreeRunners. Aug 01 22:11:39 abraxa_: I'll tro to get into the phone over ssh... Aug 01 22:12:58 abraxa_: thx for poinitng it out Aug 01 22:14:20 at&t offers several sims an when u llook closely (sorry chocky) the brass contacts are offset to oe side (on the ones that dont work) an the good ones are more to the center Aug 01 22:15:50 there was a link to some sim pictures with smiley faces that should show this Aug 01 22:16:48 1 had a 71234 g that was offset an now i have a 71234 o that works every reboot Aug 01 22:17:04 an its more centered Aug 01 22:19:25 aanybody know where that wiki page are Aug 01 22:20:36 i have reboot 3 times noe an it hooks up every time now Aug 01 22:20:49 ah ah tango gps is fun.. i mean, i like seeing all those openmoko user on the map Aug 01 22:21:05 before it would only connect after several reboots Aug 01 22:25:01 i believe the problem lies with the sim holder slide brkt. lip was touching the contacts on the sim an possibly shorting the circuit Aug 01 22:25:14 El_Senator: none of the software is very stable at this stage. Aug 01 22:25:28 phone works though Aug 01 22:26:38 Yashy: ok :) i don't mind it, I was just curious as to why it didn't say anything about being unstable at the WLAN wiki page. But i guess i could add that myself Aug 01 22:31:55 I'd like to hook up a serial port to my Neo 1973. From what I've read on wiki.openmoko.org, there is no spare available serial port, not even on an internal debug connector. anyone have a link to the device schematic so i can verify that? Aug 01 22:32:37 KeyserSoze: why not use usb serial dongle? ;) Aug 01 22:33:08 that'd probably be the easiest way... Aug 01 22:33:11 yeah, that was gonna be my 2nd choice. I was just reading up on host vs. device issues on the wiki Aug 01 22:34:19 KeyserSoze: usual suspects? Aug 01 22:34:23 yeah Aug 01 22:34:30 word Aug 01 22:34:47 ozzloy: wild Aug 01 22:35:11 dbmoodb_: thanks Aug 01 22:35:15 what i'm going to do is interface to ANT sensors (like garmin heart rate monitor, foot pod, bike cadence speed), from the phone Aug 01 22:36:20 i got a little ANT module that talks over a serial port for $25 (http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8565), but I also have the USB ANT stick that came with my garmin watch Aug 01 22:36:32 which if i'm going to use USB anyway, will be a lot simpler Aug 01 22:37:11 no kidding Aug 01 22:37:12 ( http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-10999-00-USB-ANT-Stick/dp/B000UO9KSY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217630206&sr=8-1 ) Aug 01 22:37:21 assuming you can talk to it, of course Aug 01 22:37:48 i already found a guy who wrote apps to read heart rate in real time, and get data logs Aug 01 22:37:58 (on a linux pc, with the garmin usb ant stick) Aug 01 22:38:08 well, no problem then presumably Aug 01 22:38:19 w00t, hello fellow moko-ers. I'm elated after receiving my long awaited freerunner. http://timwise.wikispaces.com/my+neo+freerunner Aug 01 22:38:32 I mean, it's not like the Neo isn't a Linux PC) Aug 01 22:38:35 just wanted to say hi, and thanks for all the fish ;) Aug 01 22:39:03 * tim_abell_ chases tail excitedly Aug 01 22:39:14 For Forerunner 50 Aug 01 22:39:22 thats funny Aug 01 22:41:28 tim_abell_: yep, it really is a marvelous toy :D Aug 01 22:42:37 who needs stability when you have a root shell over ssh! Aug 01 22:42:54 exactly! Aug 01 22:43:39 being able to ssh to my cell phone is almost worth the price in itself :D Aug 01 22:44:07 almost? _almost_? Aug 01 22:44:12 heheh Aug 01 22:44:18 you wound us with your words Aug 01 22:44:22 im just ha0pp with a working phone at this point Aug 01 22:45:02 mjr u have a brick? Aug 01 22:45:24 no? Aug 01 22:47:36 alright Aug 01 22:47:37 there we go Aug 01 22:47:46 got a program running from my pc to my phone Aug 01 22:50:01 i made a special script: bascially in an executable .sh, "DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 $1" Aug 01 22:50:25 funnily enough my phone arrived on the same day as http://xkcd.com/456/ . Coincidence? I think not... Aug 01 22:50:43 lol, mine, the day before Aug 01 22:52:47 For some reason when I get an IP via wifi I can't ssh into the phone. However if I ssh out of the phone, the next time I try to ssh into the phone it works? Aug 01 22:53:44 i dunno Yashy. so far i've been pretty damned lucky Aug 01 22:54:19 my biggest problem was my own firewall Aug 01 22:55:48 hmm Aug 01 22:55:58 the ps3 controller has batteries Aug 01 22:56:17 meaning it would only need a m2m small usb wire Aug 01 22:59:00 Yashy: routing Aug 01 23:00:53 ok Aug 01 23:01:04 why does the keyboard spout random characters at times? Aug 01 23:01:27 and it's not only the included one, "multi-input" or whatever, the matchbox keyboard does it too Aug 01 23:07:18 ircing with his keyboard is not very fast Aug 01 23:11:22 lindi-: heh Aug 01 23:11:41 lindi-: congrats on getting your neo networking Aug 01 23:13:37 this is over wlan now Aug 01 23:14:32 is it only at&t that had sim issues? Aug 01 23:14:54 or was t mobile doing it to? Aug 01 23:15:10 I don't recall anyone seeing issues with TMobile Aug 01 23:15:19 certainly lots of AT&T people have had problems Aug 01 23:15:23 is there a special way to upgrade opkg? Aug 01 23:15:33 i mean, you have the package Aug 01 23:15:37 still at it :p Aug 01 23:15:44 yeeeeeeeeeeeah Aug 01 23:15:51 why don't you do what I did? Aug 01 23:15:57 i have the right package Aug 01 23:15:59 but Aug 01 23:16:17 when i try to install it... Aug 01 23:16:30 it segfaults as usual Aug 01 23:16:32 Took a .tgz from 2007.2 build, then unpacked it on desktop, and transferred over /usr/bin/opkg* and /usr/lib/libopkg* Aug 01 23:16:44 ok Aug 01 23:18:50 update still gives 404 :( i just wanted mplayer Aug 01 23:21:02 lindi-: 404 for the .sig files? Aug 01 23:21:44 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000538.html Aug 01 23:21:52 Note: The OpenMoko build host is having problems currently, so opkg doesn't work today. Aug 01 23:22:14 gleamed from the getting started with your freerunner page Aug 01 23:22:50 you could try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Aug 01 23:23:40 wow Aug 01 23:23:44 the gsm antenna is HUGE Aug 01 23:24:00 no wonder i get such great reception in my relatively dead-zone house Aug 01 23:24:19 likewise Aug 01 23:24:28 Razr gets nuttin' Aug 01 23:24:44 not to mention, we can manually up the power of the gsm if need be... Aug 01 23:24:50 what withall the linux and stuff Aug 01 23:25:25 rooly: no you can't - the GSM is closed. Aug 01 23:25:33 aww Aug 01 23:25:36 no powerups? Aug 01 23:25:53 no blue beam instead of the purple lightning? Aug 01 23:26:15 the LED can be made to go purple Aug 01 23:26:28 and there's the laser on the stylus Aug 01 23:26:29 * rooly wonders if anyone got that reference Aug 01 23:26:54 not exactly, no. sounds familiar though. some bad movie. Aug 01 23:27:54 rooly: ghostbusters? Aug 01 23:28:22 actually, i was referring to an old "plane" game for the ps1 Aug 01 23:28:26 raiden X iirc Aug 01 23:28:34 you lost me at the PS1 bit. Aug 01 23:28:45 ya know, you've got a plane, you shot down other planes, tanks, and boats Aug 01 23:28:52 you lost me at the PSx bit. Aug 01 23:28:53 there are bosses at the ends of levels Aug 01 23:29:02 oy, oh well Aug 01 23:29:18 i guess i'm the only one old enough and young enough to remember those good ol' ps1 games Aug 01 23:30:05 I never owned a console Aug 01 23:32:02 tombraider Aug 01 23:32:04 i had a dinacom once. it was a freaking 8-bit machine that played the most awful games ever. Aug 01 23:32:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_DX Aug 01 23:32:13 sounds about right Aug 01 23:32:21 and of course, my commodore 64c Aug 01 23:32:28 my buddy owned it Aug 01 23:32:39 is it just me, or has openmoko-agpsui went missing in the 2007.2 repository ? Aug 01 23:33:10 all repo's are AWOL at the moment Aug 01 23:33:34 http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/raidendx.htm Aug 01 23:33:37 Chox: call me a dumb ass, but i can't find a tgz opkg on buildhost Aug 01 23:33:38 there are some pictures Aug 01 23:33:42 just wanted to mention that one :-) Aug 01 23:34:46 * rooly loaded up the scaredycat repos Aug 01 23:34:55 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Aug 01 23:35:02 how about that one :o Aug 01 23:35:13 not sure where all the old stuff went Aug 01 23:37:04 sh*t...thx Chox. Aug 01 23:41:11 how do I add items to the launcher with the ASU? Aug 02 00:03:49 stevenS1: They're located in /usr/share/applications Aug 02 00:09:03 Chox: works like a charm :p Aug 02 00:09:17 ~sim Aug 02 00:09:40 now i'm expecting to see what ends broken this time... Aug 02 00:10:02 thats an ugly wat to go about ? Aug 02 00:10:08 way Aug 02 00:10:15 * Aug 02 00:11:37 0o Aug 02 00:13:40 when will openmoko have phone avalible Aug 02 00:13:55 The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th Aug 02 00:14:09 thats a bit wrong, dont you think? Aug 02 00:14:32 it seems so Aug 02 00:14:40 * araujo has been waiting for a week now Aug 02 00:14:52 * richiefrich has been waiting for two weeks Aug 02 00:14:58 araujo: i wanted mine for defcon Aug 02 00:15:05 i guess i am assed out Aug 02 00:15:26 richiefrich, I think there were a few available 2 weeks ago? Aug 02 00:16:02 I remember checking by then, and there were only models 800 Aug 02 00:16:12 wanted to wait for 900 Aug 02 00:16:13 araujo: hey another added to out club :) Aug 02 00:16:25 Hi niklauz Aug 02 00:16:28 araujo: yeah , then my CC declined it, they thought my card was stolen , i couldnt call them cause my phone was broken Aug 02 00:16:38 niklauz, you are also in line right? :-) Aug 02 00:16:47 araujo: aye Aug 02 00:16:51 richiefrich, argh :-( Aug 02 00:17:08 araujo: i bitched and they said recharge it , im like THEY ARE SOLD OUT NOW Aug 02 00:17:13 kthanx Aug 02 00:17:21 richiefrich: i ordered w/ the debut batch but my cc blocked it , i feel yr pain Aug 02 00:17:34 heck, that's so bad Aug 02 00:17:55 niklauz: yeah so i said so can i use my card now or do i have to call in each purchase Aug 02 00:18:01 niklauz: they like its ok now Aug 02 00:18:10 im like your stupid cancel my account Aug 02 00:18:45 so we will see how CC number 2 is Aug 02 00:18:57 richiefrich: I think that www.koolu.com (Canadian reseller) still has the 850s in stock. There have also been a few on ebay Aug 02 00:19:14 mmontour: i dont want the W.E. one Aug 02 00:19:24 haven't we went over this? those are just photoshops Aug 02 00:19:29 they sell the actual neo freerunner Aug 02 00:19:38 mmontour: last i checked they take at least a month to ship Aug 02 00:19:50 and there was a guy from koolu on this channel, who said that they are in stock Aug 02 00:19:55 at the time i thought i could get one vi OM quicker lol Aug 02 00:19:58 I've emailed sales too.. and the lady that replied also said it was in stock Aug 02 00:19:59 until the checkout doesnt say W.E. Aug 02 00:20:10 my next order will be from Koolu Aug 02 00:20:13 when they get the GPS fix in Aug 02 00:20:26 kelvie: do you know when that is? Aug 02 00:20:43 niklauz: for the 900s, the ones that shipped on the 25th Aug 02 00:20:44 are they really available in all those diff colors? Aug 02 00:20:51 850s is unknown Aug 02 00:20:52 and no :P Aug 02 00:21:01 lol so standard FR black? Aug 02 00:21:08 they are just neo freerunners.. unmodified Aug 02 00:21:14 they're a startup Aug 02 00:21:22 I don't know if they've even done anything with them yet Aug 02 00:21:22 ook, ya i need an 850 Aug 02 00:21:35 yeah.. then you can get one now from koolu Aug 02 00:21:49 last time I asked (yesterday), they were still in stock Aug 02 00:22:00 i think they are mostly targeted toward being an enterprise provider and coupling the phones w/ andriod and google apps Aug 02 00:22:40 like a super charged bb i guess Aug 02 00:23:06 kelvie: i'll keep that in mind, though i really may as well wait for the gps fix at this point Aug 02 00:23:19 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r27 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added ability to change the Git repository location, and added a target to set the DISTRO Aug 02 00:23:24 I'm tempted to just fix it myself :p Aug 02 00:23:30 i was previously uner the impression it was a software bug.. not true? Aug 02 00:23:33 Chox: are you there...? is funny how things can get worst, huh? Aug 02 00:23:47 reading on the mailing lists.. the software fix doesn't seem to be enough Aug 02 00:26:22 kelvie: ah good info to have ty Aug 02 00:34:23 niklauz: my phone from koolu too a little over a week to ship,(far better than a month) Aug 02 00:36:32 rmoravcik: hi :) Aug 02 00:46:11 ah nice buildhost has been fixed Aug 02 00:46:34 kd8ikt, is that confirmed? I was just trying to grab a new image since I totally fubarred mine, and noticed all the old broken builds had been cleaned out Aug 02 00:46:40 and if so, who do I thank :-) Aug 02 00:46:51 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/ Aug 02 00:47:20 well yeah it seems like the previous builds have been erased Aug 02 00:47:23 Hello - I am trying to build an openmoko image but get an error : make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'. Stop. Aug 02 00:47:49 oh well out with the old in with the new Aug 02 00:48:04 Looks like it occurs on the task for package linux-hackndev-2.6-2.6.21-hnd3-r14 Aug 02 00:48:20 (take 1977 on my list) Aug 02 00:48:53 i don't get why people want to get stuff from buildhost.. after all its 2007.2 builds only Aug 02 00:49:09 roh, not the above link Aug 02 00:49:14 never was intended for continguency ever Aug 02 00:49:30 thats what downloads is for Aug 02 00:49:37 Is that where my issue is? Aug 02 00:50:08 roh, please clarify that for me... the last time I looked for a recent ASU image on downloads, the closest thing was from april Aug 02 00:50:59 asu isnt done yet and very in flux.. thus there are no releases or anything which has a known to be working upgradepath yet. Aug 02 00:51:09 only snapshots out of the wild. Aug 02 00:51:12 Is mine a common error? Aug 02 00:51:12 of course Aug 02 00:51:41 Easily fixable? Aug 02 00:52:07 that's what I want... that's why I bought the thing, to be on the bleeding edge of exciting development that I might be able to participate in, to break things, to have fun Aug 02 00:52:13 the problems we see for example is that (propably also due to bad documentation) people mix feeds of builds from org.openmoko.asu.stable, org.openmoko.asu.dev and org.openmoko.dev (2007.2) Aug 02 00:52:22 means packages break. Aug 02 00:53:13 dwmcqueen, I haven't actually built a full image myself, so I'm really not sure Aug 02 00:53:17 roh, of course Aug 02 00:53:22 roh: yep i've just did that... Aug 02 00:54:17 roh, so I'm trying to grab a recent, up-to-date build that isn't broken, and start again from there Aug 02 00:54:21 what's wrong with that? Aug 02 00:54:26 also a common misnomer is that asu, fso, shr, 2007.x are 'distros' .. in the end everything is oe.. just different versions, revisions, and even brances Aug 02 00:54:53 Ahhh...trying to build an updated palmtx image...looks like a simple error - but not sure Aug 02 00:55:20 one shouldnt call them 'distro', but rather 'release-milestones' .. like ubuntu... hardy, gutsy, intrepid.. all the same distro: ubuntu. still mixing binary builds is a bad idea Aug 02 00:56:55 roh, how do you suggest people participate in OM development if they're not using recent packages? and I don't mean mixing repositories, and I will admit that's why my OM doesn't work right now Aug 02 00:56:56 jtickle: i'm not saying people shouldnt' try anything they want. on the contrary.. but one shouldnt await 'seamless working intregration' when mixing stuff which seems similar, but isnt. Aug 02 00:57:04 oh ok Aug 02 00:57:20 I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say Aug 02 00:57:42 anyone knows how to reach phone memory (rootfs partition) when you boot from sd? Aug 02 00:57:47 jtickle: depends on what you want to develop. if you only hack on your single app and do not have fancy extra requirements which are not already packaged (libs) you could use the toolchain. Aug 02 00:58:36 the apis against which one codes in these cases are the same one is used from coding apps on linux. choose the toolkit that fits best to your usecase and flavor/liking of codingstyle/language. Aug 02 00:58:40 mmaestri: you should be able to "mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt" (for the 1973; not sure what partition number the FR uses) Aug 02 00:59:08 mmontour: right, thx. i'll try that Aug 02 00:59:11 (I think it's the same partition) Aug 02 00:59:38 when one wants to 'modify the distro' besides 'adding a app and using it' .. its propably best to learn a bit of OE on the way and use mokomakefile to do your own builds (and configure your opkg feeds to a httpd on your own build machines feed output dir) Aug 02 00:59:39 also "cat /proc/partitions" to see what's available Aug 02 01:00:06 is mtdblock6 on fr Aug 02 01:00:53 that way one can generate clean diffs against the distro-repo (git for asu and 2007.x) while yet testdrive builds which are sane and built against the right version of libs Aug 02 01:01:00 hm, opkg upgrade seems to have broken my X... Xglamo by itself seems to work. anybody experienced this? Aug 02 01:02:41 jtickle am i talking something which makes sense for you? Aug 02 01:03:17 <- should never write technical docs for people who aren't that deep into the technology /me is talking about Aug 02 01:03:33 roh, sure Aug 02 01:04:06 i can explain stuff, but i always need the feedback if i am talking nonsense or if i got the right words Aug 02 01:04:27 roh, you're making sense, but I'll admit I know little about this development process Aug 02 01:04:40 I've actually found it quite difficult to get into Aug 02 01:05:23 hehe.. well.. a mobile phone is yet one of the most complex things we use in the daily life nowadays.. and adding wireless interfaces like mad doesnt make it less complex.. Aug 02 01:05:25 so I suppose rather than starting at the OM wiki or mailing list, one should start with OpenEmbedded documentation? Aug 02 01:05:40 roh, for sure Aug 02 01:05:44 not only building hw or sw, but also a distro(multiple ones) even more *g* Aug 02 01:06:19 jtickle: having read openembedded documentation is never a bad idea. after all it always boils down to that after some layers Aug 02 01:07:00 e.g. mokomakefile makes it simple to set up the environment and build it, start and flash qemu and so on.. but to learn whats going on i recommend read some OE docs and the makefile. Aug 02 01:07:38 the makefile itself was a great help to me, just to learn how to call bitbake, from which pwd and how mighty it is Aug 02 01:09:15 and that it uses stuff which are in the environment to know what and where to do it Aug 02 01:09:34 * mmaestri is needing some help from Chox Aug 02 01:10:06 but do not worry. one can always start again by reflashing via dfu. Aug 02 01:10:37 * mmaestri thinks that Chocky would help too :p Aug 02 01:11:12 roh, thanks for the pointers, I think you've been more help in getting started than anything Aug 02 01:11:51 jtickle: if you're good at writing documentation, help us make the wiki better. Aug 02 01:12:15 we just started a documentation effort with its own mailinglist (for better snr) to clean up the mess Aug 02 01:12:28 btw.. if anybody wants to party.. the wiki has >10000 useraccounts now Aug 02 01:12:32 roh, I'm decent at documentation, just didn't want to step on toes Aug 02 01:12:55 roh: where can we find that docs? Aug 02 01:13:12 roh, ooh, documentation@lists.openmoko.org? Aug 02 01:13:16 jtickle: https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/documentation is the mailinglist for the effort to get better docs done Aug 02 01:13:18 jap Aug 02 01:13:25 I'm going to hop on that Aug 02 01:13:54 clowns Aug 02 01:14:29 Chocky: beware.. or i'll get my red nose and play the brazil soundtrack the whole night Aug 02 01:14:31 * Chocky too, although a bit doubtful :p Aug 02 01:14:36 ruh roh Aug 02 01:16:31 erp. new main page. Aug 02 01:18:32 are you talking about openmoko.com ? Aug 02 01:19:01 well, opkg upgrade finally messed it all up Aug 02 01:19:14 heh Aug 02 01:19:22 no, wiki main page. Aug 02 01:19:23 i guess that is the kernel upgrade, but..not wure Aug 02 01:19:37 s/wure/sure Aug 02 01:22:31 * Chocky needs a build expert :-( Aug 02 01:22:41 ERROR: log data follows (/home/peter/freerunner/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r7/temp/log.do_compile.15690) Aug 02 01:22:41 | /home/peter/freerunner/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Aug 02 01:23:05 FAIL Aug 02 01:49:37 what is the latest image for the freerunner? And where do I download it? Aug 02 01:49:41 heh Aug 02 01:49:52 latest of which type of image? Aug 02 01:49:59 and what do you have installed now? Aug 02 01:50:20 I have installed whatever was shipped, actually a custom image no released, but I want what everyone is using Aug 02 01:50:29 everyone is using different things Aug 02 01:50:36 Where is scardycat :/ Aug 02 01:50:40 Chocky: That is not good :/ Aug 02 01:50:40 however, you can opkg update, opkg upgrade from where you are. Aug 02 01:50:49 That may be the best way to go Aug 02 01:50:53 i am working on some voip stuff Aug 02 01:50:56 if you want latest of what you have, also see here: Aug 02 01:51:13 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/ Aug 02 01:51:18 Chocky: I appreciate it :) Aug 02 01:51:31 opkg upgrade requires a little hand holding, or you can just reflash this Aug 02 01:51:44 OM seems at somewhat of a crazy state, as far as the internal company Aug 02 01:51:46 i wonder if i should try clearing stuff up on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Aug 02 01:51:49 there's also FSO II, which is being worked on. Aug 02 01:52:06 roh: someone just did, I think. see the documentation list. Still could be improved though. Aug 02 01:52:08 Chocky: There is that and a lot more :) Thanks for the information, appreciate it Aug 02 01:53:26 Chocky: You have experience building apps with the toolchain? Aug 02 01:53:29 Chocky jap.. ive seen that.. i meant mainly the part explaining where stuff differs, what to mix and what not and what the ideas and story behind all these is/was Aug 02 01:53:34 err, mainly the library Aug 02 01:54:32 and explaining that most are not real different distris, just flavours and revisions/brances Aug 02 01:55:31 roh: Please make that. Me, as a developer, has a lot of problems with that indeed, as there are SO many choices Aug 02 01:56:39 hi all. Aug 02 01:57:14 is there any python bindings for libgsm-tool ? Aug 02 02:20:46 can I query the gsm modem with python? Aug 02 02:22:01 matholio: on fso you can do it easly Aug 02 02:22:56 updated http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions .. please comment if thats understandable or could be expressed better Aug 02 02:23:37 roh: all of it or just some part? Aug 02 02:24:06 the last change.. (and if you have questions, just ask.. means something needs refinement ;)) Aug 02 02:25:40 Hello, i'm having problems with my Sim card, does any one knows how to read the contact list from the comand line? Aug 02 02:25:53 Hello, i'm having problems with my Sim card, does any one knows how to read the contact list from the command line? Aug 02 02:25:56 sorru Aug 02 02:27:04 roh: I find it readable and useful. thanks. Aug 02 02:30:27 is there a definitive wiki page showing the step to switch between distributions? Aug 02 02:31:02 you mean flashing? Aug 02 02:31:36 roh: How is that wiki page going? I am very interested Aug 02 02:31:40 Getting some things cleared up Aug 02 02:31:42 yes, but what actually needs flashing to switch distro ? Aug 02 02:31:53 presumably not uboot. Aug 02 02:32:19 rootfs mostly Aug 02 02:32:31 couldnt hurt to throw a new kernel on aswell Aug 02 02:33:40 so uboot, kernel and roofs, are all independent? Aug 02 02:35:33 matholio: uboot is independant Aug 02 02:35:52 and rootfs depends on kernel? Aug 02 02:36:12 kernel most of the times is independant out od rootfs, unless we have very old kernels etc Aug 02 02:36:15 will any rootfs work on latest kernel? Aug 02 02:37:03 well, i had to reflash Aug 02 02:37:14 all of latest rootfs will work with latest kernel in teory Aug 02 02:37:34 anyone knows for sure which repos do not conflict with FSO II? Aug 02 02:38:42 so if I have 2007.2 and I fancy trying FSO, is there a wiki page describing the steps? Aug 02 02:39:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Aug 02 02:40:10 matholio: have you flashed your device before? Aug 02 02:40:19 yes. Aug 02 02:40:49 only uboot and kernel though. 2007.2 was already on and I use opkg to update/upgrade. Aug 02 02:40:51 well, just grab uImage and rootfs of FSO and flash it Aug 02 02:41:25 does everything get trashed ? Aug 02 02:41:41 of course :P Aug 02 02:41:42 take copy of /home/root ? I think I will. Aug 02 02:41:54 you might want to do a backup Aug 02 02:42:25 not much on here, just some scripts. it's only a few days old. Aug 02 02:43:38 rootfs and kernel should go together, from the same source/repo Aug 02 02:43:54 then you better copy those scripts and then flash it. Aug 02 02:43:57 because the modules are in the rootfs Aug 02 02:44:20 flashing via dfu (kernel and rootfs) is a safe bet. gets reproduceable results in the end Aug 02 02:45:23 roh: Wiki page please, let us in on all the internals :] Aug 02 02:45:38 the kernel is only updated when changed, so it can always be that there is no new file for the current day Aug 02 02:45:54 bkruse if you find a nice spot where such info fits.. add it Aug 02 02:46:21 roh: I just do not know the info, the different distributions and parts and pieces would rock Aug 02 02:46:30 As a developer, it is hard to get involved with so much "crap" Aug 02 02:46:40 there seem to me loads of places explaining different methods to flash (and ther ARE many,, after all its opensource and that always means there is more than one way) Aug 02 02:47:16 bkruse which info.. what exactly do you want to know? Aug 02 02:48:22 roh: I am trying to develop voip library, however, there are SO many images, I do not know what is current, what is to come in the future, and where I should start Aug 02 02:48:33 I have been told the toolchain, then been told not the toolchain bitbake, etc etc Aug 02 02:49:30 did someone tried the images of today ? how are they ? :P Aug 02 02:49:57 bkruse: if you are starting a library project, i suggest you focus on FSO Aug 02 02:50:02 ah there is no rootfs of today :/ Aug 02 02:50:25 2007.2 is whats installed when it comes from the fab. thats what evolved out of 2007.1.. the gtk ui based image, uses matchbox as wm, and gsmd and neod as middleware (classic unix socket ipc with custom api and lib)... that one was 'dumped' in favor of getting asu done and out of the door. to have something that works for endusers. Aug 02 02:50:30 mmaestri: Oh ya? How do I build against that, put it on my phone, etc. There seems to be so much confusion Aug 02 02:51:06 roh: Ahh, gotcha. That helps a lot, thank you. 2007.2 will probably be the future (I hope they go back to GTK later) Aug 02 02:51:24 thus ressources are currently focussed on bugfixing asu. mickey and his team is working on the next step with fso, which is not a real 'target' but only 'something more than current as a lab-testbed' Aug 02 02:52:03 when the middleware developed in fso is ready, we will use that for all apps, regardless of toolkit or heritage of source. Aug 02 02:52:33 roh: Yes, that is what I am somewhat involved in, the problem is what to build AGAINST and how to get that on your phone, you know? It can be somewhat frustrating "picking one" Aug 02 02:52:44 asu is kind of a 'we want qt on x for compatibility anyways and use the qtopia middleware till fso gets ready to step in there-' Aug 02 02:53:26 what to build against is a question of in which timeframe you want to be done and whats the scope of your work. Aug 02 02:54:01 is there repositories for FSO ? if yes what is the adresse... Aug 02 02:54:15 if you want to help adding generic voip-capabilities to be useable from any telephony ui app 'in the future' you should help forge the app with the fso guys Aug 02 02:54:16 so i can update and isntall stuff on mu fso Aug 02 02:55:00 Ok, I have been talking to OM about it pretty extensively, but I want to get something working for an image/project that people CURRENTLY use, to get it out there and working. Aug 02 02:55:12 feydreva fso has its documentation in there: http://www.freesmartphone.org Aug 02 02:55:25 its a 'wider than only openmoko'-scoped project. Aug 02 02:55:36 roh: Which one of those uses alsa as it's main sound interface? Aug 02 02:55:50 alsa is supported everywhere. Aug 02 02:56:02 Right, but pulseaudio rules a couple images, I am certain Aug 02 02:56:12 Eg, when using pulseaudio, only pulseaudio uses alsa Aug 02 02:56:24 i just do not know any sound-muxer (regardless if dmix, pulse or whatever) which properly supports fullduplex audio Aug 02 02:56:32 roh, i m lookin for package to install more than doc.. but I will have a look (because the default opkg config given with fso doesn;t go anywhere) Aug 02 02:57:04 that could yet be a interresting issue (especially since people want of course switch running calls between bluetooth-audio and handset...) Aug 02 02:58:02 roh: Exactly. Aug 02 02:58:06 bkruse the sound-server issue is thus not discussed to the end yet as far as i can see.. but that shouldnt be the issue after all.. its rather which api there is to the UI Aug 02 02:58:38 roh: I completely agree, more confusion. It will workout in the future, just needs some time. :/ Aug 02 02:58:57 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc247bca83fd3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input.vala: Remove unused property Aug 02 02:58:57 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r92f5b524dc4d 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: Fix changing the state Aug 02 02:58:58 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcd4e965c4614 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (Makefile.am input-helpers.c input-helpers.vapi input.vala): add input-helpers.c Aug 02 02:58:59 well, it's which API to the application, but also, it matters for actually testing the stuff Aug 02 02:59:11 i would just start using 'something', means alsa via libs or pulse.. not that big of a issue to change that later.. should be portable code anyways Aug 02 02:59:18 pulseaudio runs like crap, but full duplex audio is required for working on a telephony app .. Aug 02 02:59:50 well, reworking C code to use alsa directly, or pulseaudio isn't exactly "trivial" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 02 02:59:57 2008