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Aug 02 03:00:08 <russellb> not something I feel like wasting my time redoing, anyway :)
Aug 02 03:00:09 <roh> bkruse also there is a GSOC project which does work regarding bluetooth-pulseaudio integration afaik.. so it could be we have another piece of the puzzle done itself after the summer
Aug 02 03:01:07 <bkruse> roh: That would indeed help, because that will at least get the facts straightened out, and a reference point at worst.
Aug 02 03:01:18 <roh> i think in the end we need pulseaudio or would be on the way to reinvent the same thing..... so my personal opinion is that optimizing/working on pulse to make it better is not the worst idea
Aug 02 03:01:22 <russellb> I figure we'll probably use alsa directly ... but hopefully that won't be too much of a PITA
Aug 02 03:01:30 <bkruse> roh: alsa + mixer
Aug 02 03:01:37 <bkruse> What do you use on your linux box :)
Aug 02 03:01:40 <roh> bkruse ignore the mixer for now.
Aug 02 03:02:12 <roh> bkruse no app should dare to touch that. that needs to be done coordinated and by something which handles profiles and has situation-logic
Aug 02 03:02:33 <russellb> makes sense ...
Aug 02 03:02:36 <bkruse> roh: Right, which right now, the dialer does a system call to alsactl (or did). That is not well enough defined :/
Aug 02 03:02:51 <roh> means: hack against libpulse or libalsa as you please, your api to the ui will be something using dbus anyways.
Aug 02 03:03:07 <roh> atleast if it should fit into fso later
Aug 02 03:03:54 <roh> bkruse also the mixer is only a 1:1 replica of the controls the mixerchip gives us. which doesnt neccessarily completely meet how we use(how we wired) it.
Aug 02 03:04:12 <bkruse> Exactly, good point, which is something Mickey explained to me awhile ago
Aug 02 03:04:22 <roh> e.g. the gsm modem is connected analog, the bluetooth-sco channel via pcm. the connect to the cpu is i2c and i2s (pcm)
Aug 02 03:05:28 <roh> but the speaker, the earpiece and mic, as well as the wired headset cannot be used completely independant (when the headset is on, the speaker is muted, but the earpiece and the mic could be used
Aug 02 03:06:15 <roh> for stereo bluetooth its different again, there the audio needs to be sent via usb, afaik (csr does only sdp (mono) in hw)
Aug 02 03:06:16 <bkruse> roh: Right, which is what the dialer used to change, it is just frustrating as pulseaudio is a memory/resource hog, and not a lot of people natively support it. (eg portaudio, or another audio abstraction library)
Aug 02 03:06:36 <bkruse> roh: I completely understand, and that gets messy in itself, and you do not want application level programmers worried about that
Aug 02 03:06:45 <roh> portaudio is crap.. never had a app using it work without hassle
Aug 02 03:08:15 <russellb> i've had pretty good luck with it ..
Aug 02 03:08:17 <roh> i do not give too much about 'libs that abstract stuff over too many operating systems and then do the same stuff it bad on all os' .. portability doesnt need to be abi or api level, its enough to have compiletime switches and proper abstraction.
Aug 02 03:09:25 <roh> russellb well.. i use pulse all day on multiple notebooks and desktops and are really happy not to have hanging browsers and apps due to blocking sound-apis anymoreö.. just works.. but yes.. the embedded usecase just cries for optimizing
Aug 02 03:09:46 * russellb nods
Aug 02 03:10:00 <roh> there are some devel-brances into that direction (afaik) .. means better scheduling (no static buffers)
Aug 02 03:10:02 <russellb> yeah, it seems nice.  I don't really care if it stays in the platform or not ..
Aug 02 03:10:08 <russellb> i'd like to know if it is or not, though ...
Aug 02 03:10:16 <russellb> because if it is, we have to port a library over to use it ...
Aug 02 03:10:26 <russellb> but i don't feel like doing it if it's going to be wasted effort
Aug 02 03:10:40 <russellb> pretty much every layer of this project is dependent on something like that that is up in the air
Aug 02 03:10:48 <russellb> kind of irritating, but ... alas, that's where we are
Aug 02 03:11:33 <roh> russellb welcome to the opensource world ;)
Aug 02 03:11:48 <russellb> some open source communities are more focused and stable than others :-p
Aug 02 03:12:27 <russellb> I guess it comes over time with maturity of a platform/app/whatever.
Aug 02 03:15:52 <SirBob1701> is  Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2     the asu?
Aug 02 03:16:23 <torindel> no
Aug 02 03:16:27 <torindel> thats 2007.2
Aug 02 03:16:33 <SirBob1701> oh damn
Aug 02 03:16:37 <russellb> what, it's not obvious?
Aug 02 03:16:43 <SirBob1701> haha
Aug 02 03:16:54 <SirBob1701> are there any dev images of ASU?
Aug 02 03:17:01 <torindel> SirBob1701: devel = 2007.2, qtopia = asu, fso = fso
Aug 02 03:17:39 <SirBob1701> torindel: i was wondering cause as far as i've read it sounds like ASU is replacing 2007.2 with 2008.8
Aug 02 03:17:42 <SirBob1701> ...
Aug 02 03:17:45 <SirBob1701> lol
Aug 02 03:18:39 <torindel> SirBob1701: yea
Aug 02 03:19:18 <torindel> SirBob1701: but it you really want to do something that have future play with fso ;]
Aug 02 03:19:35 <SirBob1701> does it have reliable sms yet?
Aug 02 03:20:19 <torindel> SirBob1701: with milestone 2 there was added basic sms functionality, which allows you sending / reciving sms
Aug 02 03:20:36 <SirBob1701> ya but does it freaking work? lol
Aug 02 03:20:39 <SirBob1701> ;)
Aug 02 03:20:46 <torindel> yep
Aug 02 03:21:21 <torindel> it works, just keep in mind ui is simple since it was added in last milestone
Aug 02 03:21:29 <torindel> just flash it and watch it
Aug 02 03:21:55 <SirBob1701> i don't care much about ui lol
Aug 02 03:22:15 <SirBob1701> hell i'm running ion3 as window manager on this desktop
Aug 02 03:22:26 <Chocky> can I something without saying lol? lol.
Aug 02 03:22:27 <SirBob1701> would like to get a latest build image of ASU to check out though
Aug 02 03:22:36 <Chocky> +say
Aug 02 03:22:46 <SirBob1701> Chocky: you wanna suck my dick?
Aug 02 03:23:04 <Chocky> Why, aren't you doing a good enough job myself?
Aug 02 03:23:08 <torindel> Chocky: just type louder ;]
Aug 02 03:23:24 <Chocky> tor ;-)
Aug 02 03:23:38 <Chocky> er, s/myself/yourself/
Aug 02 03:24:15 <Chocky> It's like one of those valley girls, who like, can't like say a sentence without saying like, like.
Aug 02 03:24:33 <SirBob1701> ya i know its an issue with me i'm working on it christ
Aug 02 03:24:44 <SirBob1701> blame aol
Aug 02 03:24:54 <Chocky> Me too!</aol>
Aug 02 03:25:13 * Chocky blames AOL for the September that never ended.
Aug 02 03:26:12 <SirBob1701> i want an image of asu newer then july 22 ...
Aug 02 03:26:35 <feydreva> yep me too :P
Aug 02 03:27:58 <feydreva> anybody knows how to debuf SD card ?
Aug 02 03:28:23 <feydreva> the FR to no recognize it anymore, it does create the device at all.....
Aug 02 03:28:53 <feydreva> I plugged it to a usb adaptor, to my debian ad it gives me :  end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 0
Aug 02 03:29:08 <feydreva> and if I do a fdisk , it answers, cannot open device....
Aug 02 03:29:19 <feydreva> any idea ? :)
Aug 02 03:29:30 <feydreva> and gparted do not see it....
Aug 02 03:30:00 * pabs3 imagines it needs to be reseated or the hardware is broke, or some kind of incompatibility
Aug 02 03:33:52 <feydreva> hum i tried again, now i get : [22630.592136]  sdb: unknown partition table
Aug 02 03:33:52 <feydreva> [22630.594624] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Aug 02 03:33:52 <feydreva> [22346.067382] EXT3-fs error (device sdb): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)!
Aug 02 03:33:52 <feydreva> [22346.067390] EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted!
Aug 02 03:34:13 <Chocky> och.
Aug 02 03:35:25 <roh> feydreva propably the suspend-bug ate your first 1k of the sd
Aug 02 03:35:45 <Chocky> chomp chomp
Aug 02 03:35:46 <feydreva> and if i run fdisk : Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite).... but if I do a write, it answer : cannot write /dev/sdb
Aug 02 03:35:53 <roh> check if everything from 0x0 to 0x400 is 0 with head and hexdump
Aug 02 03:36:01 <feydreva> roh : and how do I solve that ? :)
Aug 02 03:36:09 <roh> regenerate the partition table
Aug 02 03:36:29 <feydreva> I do not mind losing my data.. it was my home directory
Aug 02 03:36:30 <roh> fdisk. it will show not a single partition on the sd
Aug 02 03:36:38 <feydreva> yep 
Aug 02 03:36:45 <Chocky> fdisk is horrible. use cfdisk
Aug 02 03:37:00 * bkruse recommends gparted
Aug 02 03:37:01 <bkruse> JK!
Aug 02 03:37:02 <roh> Choky: does what it should.. doesnt matter
Aug 02 03:37:14 <Chocky> matters if it's a PITA to use
Aug 02 03:37:28 <Chocky> gparted is ok, but cfdisk works in a terminal
Aug 02 03:37:31 <SirBob1701> does the fso import sim contacts?
Aug 02 03:37:52 <rooly> guys, where do all these phone horror stories come from!
Aug 02 03:37:59 <feydreva> so anybody has a simple procedure to how to recover my sd card ?
Aug 02 03:38:00 <roh> SirBob1701 currently fso only shows stuff on the sim. no clocal storage yet.
Aug 02 03:38:01 * rooly plugged his sim in, and it worked right off the bad
Aug 02 03:38:14 <roh> -c
Aug 02 03:38:16 <SirBob1701> roh: ok :D
Aug 02 03:38:20 <rooly> feydreva, i have a little app that can recover fat32 data
Aug 02 03:38:31 <feydreva> i do not care of the datat :)
Aug 02 03:38:39 <feydreva> I jsut want my 8bg sd card 
Aug 02 03:38:45 <Chocky> then repartition in cfdisk :p
Aug 02 03:38:49 <rooly> ok, well, stick it in an sd-slot and run a partition editor
Aug 02 03:38:56 <rooly> and viola
Aug 02 03:39:11 <feydreva> fdisk answer cannot write
Aug 02 03:39:20 <Chocky> be root
Aug 02 03:39:23 <roh> then just fdisk, readd the partition, mkfs and dd the first 1024 bytes of the blockdevice (including partitiontable) as backup to nand.
Aug 02 03:39:32 <feydreva> i am root :)
Aug 02 03:39:44 <Chocky> there are flags to all those editors to ignore any existing partition date
Aug 02 03:39:46 <Chocky> data
Aug 02 03:39:48 <roh> then you can always dd it back and get your fs content back
Aug 02 03:39:48 <rooly> feydreva, do you have the card set to locked?
Aug 02 03:40:11 <feydreva> no it s not locked, on dmesg it says it is unlock
Aug 02 03:40:25 <rooly> are you doing this from your phone
Aug 02 03:40:30 <feydreva> no debian
Aug 02 03:40:38 <feydreva> the phone do not recognize the card at all
Aug 02 03:40:39 <rooly> ...install gparted
Aug 02 03:40:48 <feydreva> gparted says also cannot write :)
Aug 02 03:40:56 <rooly> so your card is locked
Aug 02 03:40:56 <pabs3> how can I find out where opkg is finding python-pygobject 2.14.2-r0 from?
Aug 02 03:40:58 <rooly> gotsta be
Aug 02 03:41:11 <rooly> pabs3, check the link it shows when downloading
Aug 02 03:41:38 <rooly> opkg remove python-pygobject && opkg install python-pygobject
Aug 02 03:41:41 <rooly> and watch that link
Aug 02 03:41:41 <pabs3> it doesn't download anything, just installs the wrong version
Aug 02 03:41:52 <rooly> maybe there's a "reinstall" option
Aug 02 03:42:41 <Chocky> should says where it fetches it from when it installs it
Aug 02 03:43:08 * pabs3 will pastebin
Aug 02 03:44:28 <SirBob1701> wow can't find any new images for ASU via wiki
Aug 02 03:45:29 <pabs3> http://pastebin.ca/1090488
Aug 02 03:45:33 <pabs3> any ideas?
Aug 02 03:45:42 * pabs3 needs this to install mofi
Aug 02 03:47:47 <rooly> nope...none from me...
Aug 02 03:49:05 <pabs3> opkg info shows two different versions, any idea how to find out where the second one comes from?
Aug 02 03:49:13 <pabs3> does opkg have some kind of package cache
Aug 02 03:52:36 <SirBob1701> wow looks like fso is kinda starting to try and incorperate asu stuff
Aug 02 03:52:46 <SirBob1701> or at least has qtopia crap
Aug 02 03:52:48 <rooly> hmm, why does my gps not work
Aug 02 03:53:02 <rooly> i tried "/etc/init.d/gpsd start
Aug 02 03:53:03 <kd8ikt> where the heck is agpsui
Aug 02 03:53:04 <rooly> "
Aug 02 03:53:20 <rooly> and it tells me no /dev/ttyS3
Aug 02 03:53:25 <feydreva> there is no way to erase eveything on this drive ? so fdisk doesn;t see this "ghost" partition
Aug 02 03:53:49 <kd8ikt> gps is /dev/ttySAC1
Aug 02 03:53:54 <rooly> orly
Aug 02 03:54:03 <rooly> then why does gpsd think it should be ttyS3?
Aug 02 03:54:05 <kd8ikt> u need to edit /etc/default/gpsd
Aug 02 03:54:07 * rooly looks into thes
Aug 02 03:54:09 <rooly> *this
Aug 02 03:54:12 <rooly> brb
Aug 02 03:54:22 <kd8ikt> its all in the getting started page
Aug 02 03:54:41 * rooly grumbles
Aug 02 03:54:49 <rooly> you'd think they could include that little tidbit by default
Aug 02 03:54:57 <rooly> but i guess it *is* a hacker's phone
Aug 02 03:55:23 <bkruse> rooly: it'll get there
Aug 02 03:57:17 <rooly> and that got it
Aug 02 03:58:42 <rooly> oh, btw
Aug 02 03:58:49 <rooly> i moved my map directory
Aug 02 03:58:56 <rooly> so that it doesn't lose them every time i exit tango
Aug 02 03:59:01 <rooly> that works, right?
Aug 02 03:59:30 <rooly> and JESUS it got a fix fast
Aug 02 04:01:38 <kd8ikt> sweet i just compiled agpsui
Aug 02 04:02:38 <kd8ikt> http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg
Aug 02 04:02:59 <kd8ikt> mwester: ping
Aug 02 04:05:56 <pabs3> is there a way to prevent the FR from suspending when there are active ssh connections?
Aug 02 04:06:12 <Chocky> yes, program it ;-)
Aug 02 04:06:24 <Chocky> you'd have to have some policy about open TCP connections, etc.
Aug 02 04:06:48 <pabs3> ah, ok
Aug 02 04:06:55 <Chocky> well, not ok :p
Aug 02 04:07:21 * rooly hasn't had a problem with that actually
Aug 02 04:07:23 <Chocky> It's something that has to be thought through.  It's not sufficient to whip in a hack if there happen to be connections on port 22
Aug 02 04:07:25 <kd8ikt> try turning off suspend
Aug 02 04:07:36 <rooly> my phone doesn't kill my connections for some reason
Aug 02 04:07:57 <tkep> so no news on the servers?
Aug 02 04:08:01 <tkep> other than they are down still
Aug 02 04:08:02 <Chocky> no, it'll just not respond.
Aug 02 04:08:10 <pabs3> tkep: work for me
Aug 02 04:08:15 <Chocky> will eventually time out TCP
Aug 02 04:08:18 <rooly> Chocky, it seems to be responding just fine
Aug 02 04:08:26 <tkep> pabs3, so you do an opkg update and it works?
Aug 02 04:08:27 <Chocky> hm.
Aug 02 04:08:31 <pabs3> tkep: yep
Aug 02 04:08:32 <tkep> because half don't go for me
Aug 02 04:08:40 <rooly> unless i'm not understanding the suspend functionality
Aug 02 04:08:45 <tkep> just the standard settings, nothing new?
Aug 02 04:08:50 <tkep> so what the hell is wrong with mine
Aug 02 04:08:58 <rooly> i ran a compile and left it idle otherwise for 8 hours or so
Aug 02 04:09:12 <rooly> then when i woke up the next morning, i hopped right back on and continued operations
Aug 02 04:09:15 <pabs3> tkep: the .sig files? those have always been broken. just the Packages.gz files matter I think
Aug 02 04:09:28 <tkep> pabs3, the .gz ones are the issue
Aug 02 04:09:31 <tkep> 2 of them don't go
Aug 02 04:09:36 <tkep> and haven't since 5pm
Aug 02 04:09:40 <tkep> but that's better than earlier
Aug 02 04:09:44 <tkep> before that, nothing was going
Aug 02 04:09:46 * rooly snickers
Aug 02 04:09:48 <pabs3> which ones?
Aug 02 04:09:57 <rooly> that's why I added the scaredy cat repo
Aug 02 04:10:03 <tkep> Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404
Aug 02 04:10:04 <rooly> for backup
Aug 02 04:10:17 <tkep> actually, that's the only one now
Aug 02 04:10:21 <tkep> the neo1973 ones
Aug 02 04:10:46 <pabs3> same here, I guess they are still building
Aug 02 04:11:16 <pabs3> awesome, got lint-wifi working
Aug 02 04:11:30 <rooly> hmm
Aug 02 04:11:36 <rooly> how do i make launcher apps?
Aug 02 04:11:53 <rooly> a wiki page would suffice
Aug 02 04:12:13 * rooly means the launcher menu selectables, of course
Aug 02 04:12:16 <kd8ikt> read a /usr/share/applicantions/*/desktop file
Aug 02 04:12:21 <rooly> kk
Aug 02 04:12:30 <kd8ikt> *.desktop
Aug 02 04:12:49 <rooly> and the FR just kinda scans that directory?
Aug 02 04:13:08 <kd8ikt> yup
Aug 02 04:13:14 <rooly> /usr/share/applications/*/*.desktop?
Aug 02 04:13:15 <rooly> hrm
Aug 02 04:13:17 <kd8ikt> it detects changes instantly
Aug 02 04:13:21 <rooly> that's pretty slick
Aug 02 04:13:26 <kd8ikt> read a /usr/share/applicantions/*.desktop file
Aug 02 04:13:28 * rooly configurates
Aug 02 04:13:49 <kd8ikt> except icons if you change an icon X needs to be restarted
Aug 02 04:15:04 <rooly> what's "wifi" in french?
Aug 02 04:15:17 * rooly has his own wifi script
Aug 02 04:16:19 <feydreva> is the problem of corrupting the SD card known and beeing fix ? or i am the only one ?
Aug 02 04:16:34 <SirBob1701> are there any other fso repositories?
Aug 02 04:16:35 <feydreva> (i succeed to recreate the partitiion btw)
Aug 02 04:17:07 <rooly> gj, feydreva 
Aug 02 04:17:13 * rooly looks at his phone
Aug 02 04:17:43 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  I asked the same thing earlier... there is no repositories for FSO
Aug 02 04:18:00 <SirBob1701> feydreva: does tango work for you on fso/
Aug 02 04:18:09 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  yes
Aug 02 04:18:18 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  it takes a very long time to get a fix
Aug 02 04:18:26 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  but it works...
Aug 02 04:18:42 <rooly> jesus fscking christ, whoever said deving for linux was hard, forgot to take the water outta the bong before drinking
Aug 02 04:18:57 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  very long time : up to 5-6 minutes
Aug 02 04:19:35 <rooly> feydreva, tried updating to the latest om revision?
Aug 02 04:19:48 <SirBob1701> feydreva: can you replace phone numbers with contact names in sms?
Aug 02 04:21:22 <pabs3> is there a gui text editor for the OM FR?
Aug 02 04:21:27 <tkep> so tango requires an active net connection for maps, right?
Aug 02 04:21:37 <feydreva> rooly,  I have the last kernel, the one from the 30th
Aug 02 04:22:11 <rooly> k
Aug 02 04:22:11 <feydreva> SirBob1701, I haven;t tried.. but from what I understand, there is not localisation on FSO (no contact on the FR HD)
Aug 02 04:22:39 <rooly> then you may need the hardware hack for decent gps
Aug 02 04:22:43 <feydreva> tkep, once you have downloaded the map you re ok... so if you stay on the same area all the time.. you re fine :)
Aug 02 04:22:44 <SirBob1701> hmm won't even make a phone  call
Aug 02 04:22:44 <pabs3> tkep: unless you pre-download tiles and store them in /home/root
Aug 02 04:22:47 <SirBob1701> i like asu better lol
Aug 02 04:23:06 <tkep> can you add static maps for disconnected use?
Aug 02 04:23:06 <tkep> yeah, that
Aug 02 04:23:06 <pabs3> tkep: /tmp goes away on reboot
Aug 02 04:23:06 <tkep> great
Aug 02 04:23:12 <tkep> ok, sounds great
Aug 02 04:23:20 <feydreva> SirBob1701, FSO i can make call, receive call... ASU, I cannot...
Aug 02 04:23:26 * pabs3 used tangogps on desktop to do download, rsync to FR
Aug 02 04:23:26 <tkep> i'm going to be working on a bunch of guides this weekend
Aug 02 04:23:37 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  there is a patch to install on FSO to be able to make phone call...
Aug 02 04:23:39 <tkep> most of this stuff isn't that hard, it's just needing the directions to take care of it
Aug 02 04:23:56 <feydreva> SirBob1701,  just after you install it, you also need to do a second reboot...
Aug 02 04:24:09 <SirBob1701> feydreva: hmm
Aug 02 04:25:23 <linuxxr> the traskcan started flashing   im like wth
Aug 02 04:26:06 <SirBob1701> is qtopia anygood?
Aug 02 04:26:50 <rooly> it doesn't have text input when i tried
Aug 02 04:26:55 <rooly> aka no contacts
Aug 02 04:27:01 <SirBob1701> oh
Aug 02 04:27:10 <rooly> but it has a great frame rate
Aug 02 04:27:10 <SirBob1701> dangit i want an image of latest ASU
Aug 02 04:27:41 <baird> agh, opkg upgrade keeps downloading gtk+ over and over..
Aug 02 04:28:20 <baird> (and whatever'
Aug 02 04:28:40 <rooly> hmm
Aug 02 04:28:40 <baird> (and whatever's doing the fetching is forcing a refresh download, making the squid proxy useless)
Aug 02 04:28:44 <rooly> whatps up with the bluetooth
Aug 02 04:31:07 <feydreva> does the uboot that came originally support booting from ext2 or ext3 ?
Aug 02 04:31:37 <linuxxr> hows the best way to remotr desktop
Aug 02 04:31:48 <rooly> so no real bluetooth then...
Aug 02 04:34:29 <undrwater> feydreva: no...kernel had to be on vfat
Aug 02 04:35:22 <feydreva> undrwater, ok, i will do that..... later i may flash uboot, and put one of the last one...(that support ext2 or ext3)
Aug 02 04:38:01 <rooly> so...nobody's made any bluetooth stuff yet
Aug 02 04:38:21 <undrwater> rooly: what kind of stuff are you talking about?
Aug 02 04:38:33 <rooly> i'm talking about a gui app for bluetooth
Aug 02 04:38:59 <undrwater> rooly: there's one in qtopia...i think?
Aug 02 04:39:07 * rooly wants one in om2007
Aug 02 04:39:12 <rooly> since i haven't had any problems yet
Aug 02 04:39:27 <undrwater> maybe find the source and compile?
Aug 02 04:39:40 <rooly> i'll probably end up writing my own script or something
Aug 02 04:40:07 <rooly> hack the crap out of it
Aug 02 04:46:25 <tkep> haha, i busted X with that last update
Aug 02 04:47:33 <rooly> what's the size limit on an SD card? 8 gigs?
Aug 02 04:47:53 <cjb> rooly: 4G pre-SDHC, 32G with SDHC
Aug 02 04:48:02 <cjb> do you mean mini-SD?  I think that's 8G
Aug 02 04:48:32 <rooly> kk
Aug 02 04:48:37 <rooly> i mean for the OM
Aug 02 04:48:41 <tkep> hey, the leds are *sorta* working though
Aug 02 04:48:41 <rooly> *FR, not om
Aug 02 04:48:42 <tkep> that's neato
Aug 02 04:52:37 <railer> so Rooly hows that 3d going?
Aug 02 04:52:54 <rooly> railer, it's done.
Aug 02 04:53:06 <rooly> but i'm not feeling up to writing a hardware driver
Aug 02 04:53:12 <rooly> and i don't have a video app atm
Aug 02 04:53:21 <railer> so it you get the video up yet?
Aug 02 04:53:29 <rooly> nah
Aug 02 04:53:37 <railer> screens?
Aug 02 04:53:51 <rooly> haven't tried recently
Aug 02 04:53:53 <rooly> working on other things
Aug 02 04:53:58 <railer> ok np
Aug 02 04:54:24 <rooly> like getting a sim card, checking calling, sms, etc, getting gps working, finishing up wifi, looking into bluetooth, and a few other things
Aug 02 04:54:45 <railer> cool, how BT headsets going?
Aug 02 04:54:58 <rooly> well, there's no gui atm
Aug 02 04:55:04 <rooly> it all has to be hacked
Aug 02 04:55:12 <railer> ya
Aug 02 04:55:12 <rooly> this is a wonderful time for me to learn python
Aug 02 04:55:42 <railer> yes
Aug 02 04:55:51 <railer> holidays coming up
Aug 02 04:56:01 <rooly> you think gtk-recordmydesktop would work?
Aug 02 04:56:06 * rooly could use that
Aug 02 04:59:15 * tkep thinks he fixed his X
Aug 02 04:59:16 <tkep> :-D
Aug 02 04:59:29 <tkep> god damnit, nevermind
Aug 02 04:59:36 <tkep> why is gtk-fastscaling getting int he way?
Aug 02 04:59:43 <linuxxr> tkep
Aug 02 04:59:52 <tkep> linuxxr, 
Aug 02 04:59:57 <tkep> ?
Aug 02 05:00:11 <linuxxr> i found why the sim is   working part time
Aug 02 05:00:19 <tkep> do tell
Aug 02 05:00:40 <rooly> yes please
Aug 02 05:01:22 <linuxxr> 71234 g the contacts on the sim are ofset to 1 side an the mounting slide grounds out the contact
Aug 02 05:02:07 <railer> in other words poor design
Aug 02 05:02:11 <feydreva> i really hope the buildhost will biuld a ASU image tomorrow :) (whoever choose what the buildhost has to build)
Aug 02 05:02:15 <linuxxr> 71234 o   the contacts are centered an the brkt. doesnt ground on contact
Aug 02 05:02:34 <linuxxr> bad sim mfg.
Aug 02 05:03:02 <linuxxr> theres a link to some sim pics where is that
Aug 02 05:03:05 <railer> sim or sim holder?
Aug 02 05:03:41 <linuxxr> the sim contacts are off center on the defective sims from at%t
Aug 02 05:04:23 <linuxxr> what page has those sim picts
Aug 02 05:04:24 <cjb> linuxxr: that's a theory
Aug 02 05:04:33 <linuxxr> nope its not
Aug 02 05:04:44 <cjb> linuxxr: mine works consistently some reboots and fails on other reboots, without moving inside the case.
Aug 02 05:05:02 <cjb> so I think the seating theory doesn't explain everything
Aug 02 05:05:12 <tkep> hmmmm
Aug 02 05:05:25 <tkep> i'll have to check, but i know that i remember my card fitting pretty snugly
Aug 02 05:05:29 <tkep> maybe it didn't
Aug 02 05:05:40 <cjb> tkep: it's not the physical fit of the paper
Aug 02 05:05:47 <cjb> tkep: it's the electrical fit of the contacts
Aug 02 05:05:49 <tkep> right
Aug 02 05:05:53 <tkep> i got that
Aug 02 05:05:59 <tkep> but it would have to move for those to move, no?
Aug 02 05:06:01 <cjb> the AT&T cards have more contacts that the FR does
Aug 02 05:06:06 <tkep> ahhh
Aug 02 05:06:08 <cjb> yeah, that's what I think
Aug 02 05:06:10 <tkep> i have a suncom card
Aug 02 05:06:16 <cjb> ah
Aug 02 05:06:26 <tkep> it has less contacts than the fr does
Aug 02 05:06:29 <linuxxr> my phone would not register after a reboot  consistently
Aug 02 05:06:31 <tkep> 2 less to be exact
Aug 02 05:06:41 <tkep> mine just hops in and out during boot 
Aug 02 05:06:42 <rooly> thank god for my at&t
Aug 02 05:06:45 <linuxxr> now it doesnt miss a lick
Aug 02 05:06:54 <cjb> linuxxr: what did you change?
Aug 02 05:07:25 <linuxxr> they sent that sim to me but the local store had the centered one 
Aug 02 05:07:36 <cjb> ah
Aug 02 05:07:41 <tkep> so my offset one can be replaced?
Aug 02 05:07:45 <tkep> i wonder if suncom has one?
Aug 02 05:07:54 <tkep> i am going tomorrow to work out a better plan anyway
Aug 02 05:07:55 <linuxxr> so i switched an it started working every reboot
Aug 02 05:08:04 <tkep> i'll ask if they have centered ones
Aug 02 05:08:07 <railer> so the trick is to make sure to get a centered sim
Aug 02 05:08:28 <tkep> worst case, would tmoble have them--anyone know?  (suncom is being purchased by tmobile)
Aug 02 05:08:34 <linuxxr> the 71234 o is more centereed
Aug 02 05:08:39 <cjb> I haven't been able to get a centered SIM so far
Aug 02 05:08:44 <cjb> but I only tried the AT&T store
Aug 02 05:08:49 <linuxxr>  the 71234 g is offset to 1 side
Aug 02 05:09:33 <linuxxr> 71234g i had grounded to the brkt tab
Aug 02 05:09:49 <railer> I will look for a O version
Aug 02 05:09:59 <linuxxr> but it did work every once in a while
Aug 02 05:10:21 <railer> I have the same issue, sometime just dead
Aug 02 05:10:21 <linuxxr> if i shifted it around some
Aug 02 05:10:43 <kd8ikt> ok wtf opkg list shows libsdl but when i go to install it it says it cant find it
Aug 02 05:10:45 <linuxxr> check some sim pics on the wiki
Aug 02 05:11:08 <linuxxr> i bet thats it take it out  an look
Aug 02 05:11:33 <railer> I removed and put back my sim and now no signal
Aug 02 05:11:59 <linuxxr> is the contacts on the sim offset to 1 side or not
Aug 02 05:12:07 <linuxxr> lolol
Aug 02 05:12:16 <linuxxr> dammit look at it
Aug 02 05:12:19 <pabs3> tkep: gtk+ think looks like a conflict between the scaredycat and om repos
Aug 02 05:12:36 <tkep> pabs3, i fixed it :)
Aug 02 05:12:40 <tkep> thanks though
Aug 02 05:14:33 <railer> so anyone up for some fso 2 questions?
Aug 02 05:14:43 <railer> in fso2 does the gps work?
Aug 02 05:14:52 <torindel> yes
Aug 02 05:15:19 <railer> do I have to turn it on? because everything comes up but no signal
Aug 02 05:15:39 <torindel> no, it turn automaticly if app wants to use it
Aug 02 05:16:04 <torindel> railer: you got letters/numbers in uper right corner
Aug 02 05:16:24 <railer> b G1 w 
Aug 02 05:16:26 <torindel> s <- gps off, S <- gps on
Aug 02 05:16:27 <railer> s1
Aug 02 05:16:38 <torindel> small or big s?
Aug 02 05:16:40 <railer> S1
Aug 02 05:16:50 <torindel> number is number of active clients
Aug 02 05:17:07 <railer> but all i get is 99.99/99.99/99.99
Aug 02 05:17:16 <torindel> railer: just go outside and wait about 2 minutes till it gets fix
Aug 02 05:18:00 <torindel> (if you cant get fix try without sd card)
Aug 02 05:18:22 <torindel> generally some ppl need to wait up to 10min to get first fix
Aug 02 05:18:22 <railer> no sd card
Aug 02 05:18:30 <railer> brb
Aug 02 05:18:34 <torindel> ok just go outside
Aug 02 05:18:47 <railer> one more thing
Aug 02 05:19:29 <pabs3> tkep: how did you fix it?
Aug 02 05:19:40 <railer> the phone I call out but how do you get the hangup screen?
Aug 02 05:20:29 <tkep> pabs3, "opkg remove gtk-fastscaling -force-depends"
Aug 02 05:20:36 <torindel> railer: just press release/whatever if you want to disconnect
Aug 02 05:20:39 <tkep> then "opkg upgrade gtk+"
Aug 02 05:20:45 <tkep> and now it'll get into X
Aug 02 05:20:53 <tkep> so i'm trying the rest of the update that didn't work
Aug 02 05:22:12 <torindel> tkep: unless you have in mind "1 2 3 4" screen lock
Aug 02 05:22:19 <torindel> railer: * ^
Aug 02 05:22:32 <tkep> :)
Aug 02 05:22:53 <railer> no that's find
Aug 02 05:22:54 <pabs3> every now and then the FR screen doesn't come back from suspend, just white. anyone encountered that?
Aug 02 05:22:55 <railer> fine
Aug 02 05:23:00 <tkep> this feels no different than when i tried to go from fedora 8 to 9
Aug 02 05:23:07 <tkep> sorting through all the dependency hell
Aug 02 05:23:24 <tkep> pabs3, that's a pretty known issue from my understanding
Aug 02 05:23:29 <tkep> i dunno if there is a real fix
Aug 02 05:23:32 <tkep> besides restarting x
Aug 02 05:24:10 <tkep> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Aug 02 05:24:17 <tkep> but that would have to be from ssh
Aug 02 05:24:23 <tkep> so that makes that part pretty lame :)
Aug 02 05:27:46 <kd8ikt> heh numptyphysics is cool
Aug 02 05:27:49 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
Aug 02 05:28:39 <linuxxr> see at the upper right an lower left sim pics the contacts are at the very edge of the card
Aug 02 05:28:43 <pabs3> tkep: doesn't come back after restarting X
Aug 02 05:28:52 <pabs3> tkep: prob some kinda kernel issue
Aug 02 05:29:00 <railer> it's weird I have no dial tone or rings heard, the call connects only then can I hangup
Aug 02 05:29:58 <linuxxr> did u look at your sim
Aug 02 05:30:20 <railer> ya it's started this AFTER I looked at it :(
Aug 02 05:30:27 <linuxxr> come on take it out
Aug 02 05:30:52 <linuxxr> was it centered or not
Aug 02 05:31:23 <torindel> railer: look at it again ;]
Aug 02 05:31:36 <linuxxr> my sim looked like the bottom sim pic on the above link
Aug 02 05:32:05 <linuxxr> 71234g   but mine was a 4022
Aug 02 05:32:29 <linuxxr> contacts offset  all the way to the edge
Aug 02 05:32:54 <torindel> linuxxr: sim holder shortcircuts it right?
Aug 02 05:33:03 <linuxxr> look at the tab an see if it touches the sim contact
Aug 02 05:33:16 <linuxxr> while inserted
Aug 02 05:33:39 <linuxxr> its real  simple to see with glasses
Aug 02 05:35:03 <linuxxr> my new sims contacts  doesnt even get close to the tab
Aug 02 05:35:41 <torindel> if your sim shortcircuts just get paper tape and glue it to your sim in a way that it wont
Aug 02 05:35:47 <linuxxr> it might was touching only 1 contact but still its grounded
Aug 02 05:35:59 <linuxxr> no way
Aug 02 05:36:16 <torindel> you can unglue paper tape easly
Aug 02 05:36:21 <linuxxr> get the right sim
Aug 02 05:36:39 <torindel> geting right sim is solution also
Aug 02 05:37:01 <railer> hey so good news, yea I stood outside for like 5 min and the gps worked fine, but now I got to deal with the cops, I suppose I should have gotten dressed before I went out. Damn nosey neighbours! bbl
Aug 02 05:37:41 <linuxxr> so u use an external ant.
Aug 02 05:37:42 <linuxxr> ?
Aug 02 05:38:18 <torindel> lol
Aug 02 05:38:45 <torindel> linuxxr: gps works fine without external antena
Aug 02 05:38:59 <torindel> you just need to go out of building to get first fix
Aug 02 05:39:46 <torindel> after you get first fix satelite signal can be much lower
Aug 02 05:41:09 <rooly> ok
Aug 02 05:41:13 <rooly> i have a video ready
Aug 02 05:41:18 <rooly> but it's not of the FR
Aug 02 05:41:26 <mnagy> railer: you get troubles for walking out naked?
Aug 02 05:41:26 <rooly> just a FR app over SSH
Aug 02 05:43:18 <linuxxr> ok thanks
Aug 02 05:46:42 <undrwater> anyone tried forwarding X over ssh on FR>
Aug 02 05:46:43 <undrwater> ?
Aug 02 05:46:54 <linuxxr> it grounds out on the center contact on the 3 contact side is whats happening  and the new sim doesnt 
Aug 02 05:47:40 <rooly> yeah, uncle_jack 
Aug 02 05:47:42 <rooly> i have
Aug 02 05:47:47 <rooly> not uncle_jack, undrwater 
Aug 02 05:48:54 <undrwater> rooly: what did you try? and how did it go?
Aug 02 05:49:07 <rooly> i tried ssh from the phone to the pc
Aug 02 05:49:13 <rooly> and then ran an app
Aug 02 05:49:26 <rooly> but got a segfault because it couldn't forward the x-server
Aug 02 05:49:46 <rooly> i tried adding the ssh_config to the /etc/ssh directory, with no luck
Aug 02 05:49:59 <rooly> so i went ahead and did something like this:
Aug 02 05:50:11 <rooly> ssh me@myIP
Aug 02 05:50:13 <rooly> pass:
Aug 02 05:50:45 <rooly> DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 /path/to/my/app
Aug 02 05:50:58 <rooly> and it's slow
Aug 02 05:50:59 <rooly> but it works
Aug 02 05:51:11 <undrwater> did you try FF?
Aug 02 05:51:16 <rooly> no
Aug 02 05:51:18 <rooly> oh, btw
Aug 02 05:51:31 <rooly> you have to add your pc to the phone's x-server access
Aug 02 05:51:44 <rooly> and you have no gl
Aug 02 05:51:56 <undrwater> ok...gonna try in just a sec
Aug 02 05:51:59 <torindel> undrwater: you start with logining on via ssh, setting DISPLAY, running xhost
Aug 02 05:52:26 <torindel> then on pc you set DISPLAY and launch app
Aug 02 05:55:00 <rooly> torindel, but running remotely on the FR is every so slightly different
Aug 02 05:55:11 <rooly> as different as loggin into the other PC remotely
Aug 02 05:55:17 * rooly actually made a small script to do it
Aug 02 05:56:00 <torindel> oh he wanted via ssh
Aug 02 05:56:40 <rooly> yeah
Aug 02 05:58:31 * Sargun waits for his FSO to fail
Aug 02 06:00:15 <rooly> http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php
Aug 02 06:00:20 <rooly> please
Aug 02 06:00:23 <rooly> dont' crash my webserver
Aug 02 06:00:32 <torindel> Sargun: ?
Aug 02 06:00:34 <Sargun> I cannot build FSO
Aug 02 06:00:41 <Sargun> it breaks every time I try to build it
Aug 02 06:00:46 <biovore> same here.. zphone ?
Aug 02 06:00:52 <rooly> i'll upload a video of the FR running the 3d app later
Aug 02 06:00:56 <biovore> can't run some python script
Aug 02 06:01:31 <Sargun> rooly, You want a mirror?
Aug 02 06:01:39 <rooly> sure
Aug 02 06:07:14 <Sargun> sallie may?
Aug 02 06:07:22 <rooly> hush
Aug 02 06:07:23 <Sargun> don't they do stock portfolios
Aug 02 06:07:31 <Sargun> what did you use to capture the video
Aug 02 06:07:33 <rooly> among other things
Aug 02 06:07:39 <rooly> gtk-recordmydesktop
Aug 02 06:07:48 <rooly> works wonderfully
Aug 02 06:07:59 <Sargun> wow, the graphics are terrible.
Aug 02 06:08:06 <Sargun> Did you build this for FSO?
Aug 02 06:08:17 <rooly> it's over a wlan ssh connection at less than perfect conditions
Aug 02 06:08:27 <Sargun> why don't you use the USB network connection?
Aug 02 06:08:40 <rooly> that has seemed to have died since my last upgrade
Aug 02 06:09:11 <Sargun> oh
Aug 02 06:09:19 <rooly> i'll get a video of the FR running it tho
Aug 02 06:09:58 <Sargun> ok
Aug 02 06:11:13 <rooly> i can alos get a video of the FR running the same app over pc->fr x-forwarding
Aug 02 06:13:25 <rooly> it gets about 6-8 fps
Aug 02 06:13:27 <malik1972> lpotter: is qtopia 4.4 out?
Aug 02 06:17:07 <malik1972> lpotter: okay, its qt 4.4.1 ..
Aug 02 06:20:07 <railer> ok the blue bar phone, what the green bar again?
Aug 02 06:20:23 <torindel> battery
Aug 02 06:20:42 <railer> I knew that
Aug 02 06:20:57 <rooly> railer, check my blog
Aug 02 06:20:58 <rooly> http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php
Aug 02 06:21:06 <railer> excuse me while I jiggle my sim
Aug 02 06:22:06 <railer> Tron 2 is coming out woo hoo
Aug 02 06:22:35 <railer> 25 years waiting for a sequel 
Aug 02 06:22:54 <torindel> ;]
Aug 02 06:23:05 <tkep> bedtime
Aug 02 06:23:08 <tkep> gnite
Aug 02 06:23:12 <torindel> night
Aug 02 06:23:22 <railer> night
Aug 02 06:24:02 <railer> so how does one adjust the clock in fso II
Aug 02 06:24:41 <torindel> same way as always
Aug 02 06:24:50 <railer> ok
Aug 02 06:25:04 <torindel> you replace /etc/localtime, set time and sync it to host
Aug 02 06:25:07 <railer> just checking if gui added
Aug 02 06:26:19 <railer> like qtopia
Aug 02 06:29:19 <railer> I see they were actually designed for a different type of sim http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/7/77/FR_SIM_SD_open.jpg
Aug 02 06:30:02 <Sargun> how is that SIM different
Aug 02 06:30:06 <Sargun> that GSM900
Aug 02 06:30:30 <railer> my back looks completely different
Aug 02 06:30:50 <rooly> you know
Aug 02 06:30:57 <rooly> they were supposed to standardize those years ago
Aug 02 06:31:00 <rooly> but NOOOoooo
Aug 02 06:31:04 <rooly> goddam at&t
Aug 02 06:31:43 <railer> http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/img_2300-small.JPG
Aug 02 06:31:53 <railer> not 4 tabs, 5 tabs
Aug 02 06:32:16 <rooly> openmoko's best solution would be to change the hardware slightly to use special holders for each sim-card type and plug those into the phone
Aug 02 06:32:42 <rooly> that's seriously different
Aug 02 06:32:54 <undrwater> i notice cups is in one of the repos...anyone try printing?
Aug 02 06:33:06 <rooly> hmm
Aug 02 06:33:08 <rooly> interesting
Aug 02 06:33:15 <rooly> undrwater, i'll add that to my project list
Aug 02 06:34:14 <undrwater> coolio
Aug 02 06:35:03 <Sargun> hey
Aug 02 06:35:11 <Sargun> rooly, http://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/5224288_KaSYb#343496475_CB8os
Aug 02 06:35:16 <Sargun> Its "processing"
Aug 02 06:35:35 <railer> that's interesting
Aug 02 06:35:37 <railer> http://perso.wanadoo.es/monsil12/dual1.jpg
Aug 02 06:36:35 <rooly> i'm gonna mail-bomb you know, sargun
Aug 02 06:36:44 <Sargun> Why?
Aug 02 06:36:51 <Sargun> err
Aug 02 06:36:54 <Sargun> Rather, how
Aug 02 06:36:58 <Sargun> rather, why
Aug 02 06:37:04 <rooly> hehe, jk
Aug 02 06:38:13 <rooly> anyway
Aug 02 06:38:17 <rooly> beyond that
Aug 02 06:38:26 <rooly> i'm not entirely sure what's going on in that video, Sargun 
Aug 02 06:39:06 <rooly> or is this a link to my video
Aug 02 06:39:16 <Sargun> its a link to your video
Aug 02 06:39:21 <rooly> ic
Aug 02 06:39:31 <rooly> ok, gonna put it up
Aug 02 06:39:52 <Sargun> "processing"
Aug 02 06:39:53 <Sargun> blah
Aug 02 06:42:39 <AntonTakk> rooly: video of what?
Aug 02 06:42:49 <rooly> 3d from the fr
Aug 02 06:43:11 <rooly> it's quite terribly slow on my video
Aug 02 06:43:25 <rooly> i'm going to get a video of it on the FR itself soon
Aug 02 06:43:32 <AntonTakk> yeah, but you had it piping over ssh tunneled x, no?
Aug 02 06:43:44 <rooly> yeah
Aug 02 06:43:52 <cozub> hi
Aug 02 06:43:54 <rooly> over a low wifi
Aug 02 06:45:15 <cozub> after upgrade I see "*** ECORE ERROR: Ecore Magick Check Failed!!!", "*** IN FUNCTION: ecore_event_handler_del()"
Aug 02 06:45:28 <cozub> I wonder what is this ecore/what is producing this error
Aug 02 06:45:43 <rooly> http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner
Aug 02 06:45:58 <AntonTakk> ecore is the core library for the app launcher in asu/fso
Aug 02 06:46:04 <cozub> AntonTakk: thX
Aug 02 06:47:28 <AntonTakk> cozub: uses e17 as the wm on the fr, very nice wm/etc, had it running on dual 1200x1600 displays at about 100 mhz worth of cpu time
Aug 02 06:47:39 <AntonTakk> er
Aug 02 06:47:42 <AntonTakk> 1600x1200
Aug 02 06:47:49 <cozub> now I found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/E17
Aug 02 06:49:35 <cozub> still it seems I managed to break the free runner just by doing the opkg update... is that expected, or I'm doing something wrong?
Aug 02 06:49:37 <railer> apm no longer works
Aug 02 06:49:43 <Sargun> http://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/5250708_dputf#319317038_oU8CC
Aug 02 06:49:46 <Sargun> I'm an artist
Aug 02 06:49:50 <cozub> (I did the dropbear update separately, as described on wiki)
Aug 02 06:50:30 <AntonTakk> cozub: last i heard, upgrades were broken, that is as of like yesterday, thou
Aug 02 06:51:10 <cozub> aha, ok
Aug 02 06:51:41 <cozub> I basically started playing with the device yest., updated, it broke, flashed some older image, updated, it broke in a different way
Aug 02 06:55:44 <rooly> wow
Aug 02 06:55:53 <rooly> none of you guys that looked at my blog use IE
Aug 02 06:57:02 <kd8ikt> hint IE sucks
Aug 02 06:57:17 <kd8ikt> and so do blogs
Aug 02 06:57:42 <cozub> :))
Aug 02 06:57:55 <rooly> kd8ikt, do blogs suck when the show the FR doing 3d?
Aug 02 07:00:45 <rooly> ok
Aug 02 07:00:48 <rooly> bed time
Aug 02 07:00:51 <rooly> nn
Aug 02 07:00:58 <railer> rooly I tried couldn't find it 
Aug 02 07:01:17 <rooly> find what
Aug 02 07:01:18 <railer> found the 8 meg one on desktop
Aug 02 07:01:25 <railer> 3d on fr
Aug 02 07:01:28 <rooly> that's the only one so far
Aug 02 07:01:36 <cozub> railer: what did you use to capture the desktop?
Aug 02 07:01:43 <rooly> rooly you mean?
Aug 02 07:01:47 <rooly> gtk-recordmydesktop
Aug 02 07:01:50 <rooly> works like a charm
Aug 02 07:01:54 <cozub> oh yup, sorry
Aug 02 07:01:58 <cozub> thX
Aug 02 07:02:24 <rooly> railer, i'm gonna get a camera in the next couple days and do the video
Aug 02 07:02:27 <rooly> anyway
Aug 02 07:02:28 <rooly> nn
Aug 02 07:02:35 <railer> k
Aug 02 07:03:24 <railer> does opkg work yet?
Aug 02 07:04:27 <cozub> some 6 hrs ago not really
Aug 02 07:04:44 <railer> ok
Aug 02 07:04:50 <cozub> I'll soon re-try
Aug 02 07:04:56 <railer> k
Aug 02 07:05:07 * ArteK make upgrade now :)
Aug 02 07:05:31 <cozub> brave man :)
Aug 02 07:13:06 <kd8ikt> 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:cfff:fe8f:347b
Aug 02 07:14:39 <matholio> why does the FSO opkg feeds all have  http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//, clearly this is not going to work.
Aug 02 07:16:22 <orzo> i ran out of space on my root partition during an opkg update
Aug 02 07:16:26 <orzo> well, upgrade
Aug 02 07:16:35 <orzo> i guess its not wise to issue upgrade to opkg
Aug 02 07:17:03 <orzo> anyway, i'm not sure what sort of state it is in now
Aug 02 07:17:20 <orzo> it failed to write a bunch of info files
Aug 02 07:17:53 <orzo> my /media/card is unfortunately vfat
Aug 02 07:17:53 <kd8ikt> jeeze howd you fill it 
Aug 02 07:18:02 <orzo> i dont know
Aug 02 07:18:05 <orzo> its not big
Aug 02 07:18:10 <kd8ikt> got mp3's or something on ity
Aug 02 07:18:23 <orzo> 61.1M total
Aug 02 07:18:35 <orzo> no
Aug 02 07:19:01 <orzo> most of the space is /usr
Aug 02 07:19:03 <kd8ikt> that a 1973 
Aug 02 07:19:07 <orzo> yes
Aug 02 07:19:14 <kd8ikt> oh well that explains it
Aug 02 07:19:14 <orzo> hwo much does the freerunner have?
Aug 02 07:19:25 <kd8ikt> 256
Aug 02 07:19:28 <rooly> 256
Aug 02 07:19:36 <rooly> no
Aug 02 07:19:37 <rooly> i'm in bed
Aug 02 07:19:49 <orzo> well what can i do now
Aug 02 07:19:53 <orzo> i'm not sure how to make space
Aug 02 07:20:18 <kd8ikt> opkg list_installed 
Aug 02 07:20:18 <orzo> and i'm not sure how to repair partially installed packages
Aug 02 07:20:25 <kd8ikt> and crop things you dont want?
Aug 02 07:21:25 <kd8ikt> i wanted a 1973 soo badly 
Aug 02 07:21:44 <kd8ikt> i had to wait... what like 1.5 yrs till this freerunner came out
Aug 02 07:22:28 <kd8ikt> i swear i checked the page atleast once a day that entire time lusting for an openmoko phone
Aug 02 07:23:20 * kd8ikt wonders why the fudge you have your card formated with windows fs crap
Aug 02 07:24:55 <orzo> well
Aug 02 07:25:02 <orzo> i guess i never formatted it
Aug 02 07:25:06 <orzo> i just used it as it came
Aug 02 07:25:42 <kd8ikt> you could format it and mount it to a folder that eats space like usr 
Aug 02 07:26:14 <kd8ikt> possibly hopefully it gets mounted before initscripts start
Aug 02 07:26:44 <kd8ikt> like copy all usr to the card then change fstab to mount the card as /usr
Aug 02 07:27:00 <kd8ikt> or do that sdcard boot stuff
Aug 02 07:27:14 <kd8ikt> put the rootfs on it
Aug 02 07:27:22 <kd8ikt> sky is the limit
Aug 02 07:28:35 <cozub> AntonTakk: how did/does the upgrade go?
Aug 02 07:28:39 * cozub is all curious :)
Aug 02 07:29:53 <matholio> how do I start gps in fso-II ?
Aug 02 07:29:58 <pabs3> are there any simple games for the om - xgalaga or something?
Aug 02 07:30:17 <AntonTakk> cozub: what upgrade?
Aug 02 07:32:01 <cozub> sigh, wrong nick... I guess I'm still sleeping or what; sorry
Aug 02 07:32:25 <cozub> I mean ArteK 
Aug 02 07:32:51 <kd8ikt> matholio: try agpsui
Aug 02 07:33:30 <orzo> where does opkg download ipk files too?
Aug 02 07:33:52 <kd8ikt> i made a pkg for it cause its not on the buildhost repo anylonger 
Aug 02 07:33:59 <kd8ikt> opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg
Aug 02 07:34:08 <XorA|gone> orzo: /tmp/
Aug 02 07:34:23 <kd8ikt> think they get removed after install
Aug 02 07:35:55 <kd8ikt> only... i dont think ti will show up in FSO's launcher so you'd need to exec openmoko-agpsui via terminal
Aug 02 07:41:40 <matholio> kd8ikt: installed, but now what ?  confused.
Aug 02 07:42:55 <kd8ikt> via ssh?
Aug 02 07:43:04 <matholio> ja
Aug 02 07:43:28 <kd8ikt> try this on the ssh shell   export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; openmoko-agpsui
Aug 02 07:43:48 <kd8ikt> and then look at your moko's screen
Aug 02 07:44:12 <matholio> ah, nice one.
Aug 02 07:44:51 <ArteK> cozub: now work good
Aug 02 07:45:01 <cozub> cool :)
Aug 02 07:45:04 <cozub> I'll try; thx
Aug 02 07:52:19 <lu_zero> hi
Aug 02 07:53:55 <lu_zero> I tried to update+upgrade the moko and results with a black X
Aug 02 07:54:01 <lu_zero> is that a known issue?
Aug 02 07:54:30 <cozub> to me that is :))
Aug 02 07:54:44 <cozub> rumour has it packages were broken
Aug 02 07:54:53 <cozub> one report says it's fixed now; I'm about to try
Aug 02 07:55:04 <lu_zero> cozub well gtk+/gtk+-fastscan is still messed up
Aug 02 07:55:15 <lu_zero> I still wonder which is the correct one
Aug 02 07:56:21 <lu_zero> opkg install gtk+-fastscaling
Aug 02 07:56:21 <lu_zero> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Aug 02 07:56:28 <lu_zero> wonderful and fashinating...
Aug 02 07:56:35 <XorA|gone> gtk+ is the correct one
Aug 02 07:56:51 <XorA|gone> opkg upgrade --force-overwrite will fix the problem
Aug 02 07:56:53 <lu_zero> opkg install gtk+            
Aug 02 07:56:54 <lu_zero> Installing gtk+ (2.12.11-r2) to root...
Aug 02 07:56:54 <lu_zero> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk
Aug 02 07:56:57 <XorA|gone> I need to fix it properly
Aug 02 07:56:57 <lu_zero> ok
Aug 02 07:57:19 <lu_zero> not sure if opkg has a provision to have 2 names be considered the same
Aug 02 07:57:23 <XorA|gone> I depcrecated gtk_-fastscaling when the OM theme changed to not need it
Aug 02 07:57:48 <XorA|gone> RREPLACES = "gtk+-fastscaling" should do it in .bb recipe, but I need to test it
Aug 02 07:58:06 <lu_zero> hmm
Aug 02 07:58:11 <kd8ikt> i think its good they dropped the previous "latest" builds gives people no choice but to move forward
Aug 02 07:58:30 <lu_zero> now the upgrade is completed
Aug 02 07:58:42 <lu_zero> I even started X but nothing on screen ^^;
Aug 02 07:59:15 <kd8ikt> ...
Aug 02 07:59:19 <lu_zero> the startsound is hearable
Aug 02 07:59:36 <lu_zero> ok, second try -> success
Aug 02 07:59:57 <lu_zero> there is a way to see what is going on with the gsm system
Aug 02 08:00:08 <lu_zero> it is still trying to register the sim to the network...
Aug 02 08:04:51 <dns53> i want to flash my first image, what do i download and flash?
Aug 02 08:05:49 <kd8ikt> ... like an image you built or downloaded?
Aug 02 08:06:27 <dns53> downloaded
Aug 02 08:06:36 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
Aug 02 08:06:36 <dns53> what do i download from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/
Aug 02 08:07:32 <kd8ikt> a kernel-uImage.bin and a rootfs.jffs
Aug 02 08:08:11 <rwhitby> dns53: g'day
Aug 02 08:08:22 <dns53> is uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin     the kernel?
Aug 02 08:08:27 <rwhitby> nope
Aug 02 08:08:33 <rwhitby> uImage is the kernel
Aug 02 08:08:36 <kd8ikt> no thats the bootloader uboot
Aug 02 08:08:38 <rwhitby> u-boot is u-boot
Aug 02 08:08:45 <dns53>  lowlevel-foo-gta02v5-latest.bin  ?
Aug 02 08:08:47 <kd8ikt> Das Y boot
Aug 02 08:08:53 <kd8ikt> Das U* boot
Aug 02 08:08:54 <rwhitby> blah.jffs2 or blah.jffs2.summary is the rootfs
Aug 02 08:09:03 <rwhitby> lowlevel is for devirginating with a debug board
Aug 02 08:09:04 <kd8ikt> evening whit!
Aug 02 08:09:12 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 02 08:09:25 <dns53> ok so i need u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr10+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19-r0.bin    ?
Aug 02 08:10:07 <kd8ikt> i had a small issue with the latest, usb0 wasnt brought up correctly no biggy all i had to do was ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 on the moko
Aug 02 08:10:10 <rwhitby> dns53: sure - get into NOR menu and then flash that with dfu-util -a u-boot -D ...
Aug 02 08:10:25 <XorA|gone> man I feel ill
Aug 02 08:10:32 <rwhitby> the flash the kernel with dfu-util -a kernel -D ...
Aug 02 08:10:39 <rwhitby> then rootfs with dfu-util -a rootfs -D ...
Aug 02 08:10:44 <rwhitby> XorA|gone: bad hangover?
Aug 02 08:10:48 <XorA|gone> rwhitby: yeah
Aug 02 08:10:49 <kd8ikt> might have just been me for that one bootup  
Aug 02 08:11:01 <kd8ikt> but nothing i cant handle ;)
Aug 02 08:11:01 <XorA|gone> rwhitby: I stupididly arranged to go out in the AM today :-DS
Aug 02 08:11:31 <rwhitby> XorA|gone: drive the porcelain bus?
Aug 02 08:11:46 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 02 08:11:50 <XorA|gone> rwhitby: luckilly not that ill :-D
Aug 02 08:12:02 <XorA|gone> advantages of drinking decent beer
Aug 02 08:12:28 <rwhitby> dns53: just make sure the kernel and rootfs are for gta02
Aug 02 08:12:40 <kd8ikt> i limit myself to only one sixpack a day
Aug 02 08:13:25 <kd8ikt> binging isnt fun
Aug 02 08:13:28 <XorA|gone> lack of blood in my alcohol stream is I think a problem
Aug 02 08:13:55 <dns53> ok i'll use Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2  and   uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin   
Aug 02 08:14:12 <kd8ikt> sounds like a winner dns53 
Aug 02 08:18:37 <dns53> do you need 2 partitions to boot off a sd card?
Aug 02 08:19:08 <kd8ikt> i think you do anything you want if you get down to the uboot and make your own boot entry
Aug 02 08:19:37 <XorA|gone> I think the reason for the two partitions is u-boot is really bad at reading ext2 partitions
Aug 02 08:19:54 <pabs3> what does this mean? eth0      Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable
Aug 02 08:26:35 <lu_zero> hmm
Aug 02 08:28:08 <lindi-> when moko is connected via usb cable, is there some way to unsuspend it remotely? it unsuspends if i physically unplug and replug the usb cable but i'd like to do this remotely
Aug 02 08:30:31 <dns53> how big is the root fs image suppose to be?
Aug 02 08:30:32 * Stroller yawns
Aug 02 08:30:33 <XorA|gone> probably reset the usb port
Aug 02 08:30:37 <Stroller> Morning all
Aug 02 08:30:46 <XorA|gone> that will look to the device like a cable insertion
Aug 02 08:30:47 <lindi-> dns53: 68M used here
Aug 02 08:30:56 <lindi-> XorA|gone: any idea how to do that in linux?
Aug 02 08:31:02 <lindi-> XorA|gone: rmmod all usb related stuff?
Aug 02 08:31:15 <XorA|gone> lindi-: I think you can do it by poking sysfs
Aug 02 08:31:25 <XorA|gone> lindi-: but dont know exact details
Aug 02 08:31:43 <Stroller> I think the name  of the module that you run on the desktop PC is g-ether  
Aug 02 08:31:50 <Stroller> Or g_ether
Aug 02 08:32:06 <lindi-> cdc_ether here
Aug 02 08:32:08 <Stroller> lsmod will show you it.
Aug 02 08:32:12 <lindi-> and usbnet
Aug 02 08:32:24 <lindi-> but removing those will not cause 5V to disappear
Aug 02 08:33:28 <Stroller> Hmmm
Aug 02 08:33:29 <Prezu> I can see, that 
Aug 02 08:33:30 <Stroller> Ok, sorry
Aug 02 08:33:33 <lu_zero> sigh
Aug 02 08:33:38 <lu_zero> gsmd hates me =_=
Aug 02 08:33:56 <quickdev> Does anyone know if there are at the moment efforts in order to provide assisted gps functionality?
Aug 02 08:35:18 <dns53> isn't there a script to do some of the agps somewhere?
Aug 02 08:36:40 <lu_zero> libgsmd-tool -m shell
Aug 02 08:36:40 <lu_zero> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
Aug 02 08:36:40 <lu_zero> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Aug 02 08:36:40 <lu_zero> O
Aug 02 08:36:41 <lu_zero> # # Power-On
Aug 02 08:36:43 <lu_zero> cme error: 313
Aug 02 08:36:45 <lu_zero> Modem power-up failed: 313
Aug 02 08:36:47 <lu_zero> -_-
Aug 02 08:37:20 <quickdev> dns53, yes, there is, but only for online assistence and it isn't integrated in frameworkd at all
Aug 02 08:37:23 <lu_zero> hmm
Aug 02 08:37:32 <lu_zero> looks completely broken -_-
Aug 02 08:41:00 <kd8ikt> so... thats a gprs thing then?
Aug 02 08:41:49 <lu_zero> kd8ikt the sim is gsm/gprs/umts
Aug 02 08:41:59 <mnagy> hm, that's weird, my battery was on 31% and it still couldn't get charged and I couldn't boot
Aug 02 08:42:13 <lu_zero> cme error: 15
Aug 02 08:42:20 <lu_zero> again while trying to poweron
Aug 02 08:43:21 <kd8ikt> i mean AGPS
Aug 02 08:43:55 <lu_zero> mixed up discussions I'm afraid
Aug 02 08:44:19 <lindi-> XorA|gone: neither rmmod nor shutdown -r reboot was enough to wake the device :)
Aug 02 08:44:42 <kd8ikt> power button
Aug 02 08:47:41 <lindi-> kd8ikt: sure, but i am looking for a remote wakeup
Aug 02 08:48:16 <kd8ikt> jesus christ get off your fat ass go pickup the phone and wake it up
Aug 02 08:48:47 <cozub> hm, I seem to have managed to break the USB somehow :-/
Aug 02 08:48:52 <lindi-> kd8ikt: not good if you want to do automated tests
Aug 02 08:49:03 <cozub> from PC I don't see the neo connected (lsusb nor dmesg)
Aug 02 08:49:17 <kd8ikt> its a phone it wasnt built to be a fricken PLC
Aug 02 08:49:26 <cozub> maybe I accidentally switched host/quest? (no idea how does one switch that on FR)
Aug 02 08:50:12 <lindi-> cozub: if you don't know you probably did not :)
Aug 02 08:50:26 <cozub> :)
Aug 02 08:50:34 <lindi-> kd8ikt: besides, physical contacts wear :)
Aug 02 08:50:40 <cozub> well, I flashed the release image after messing it up with update yesterday
Aug 02 08:50:55 <kd8ikt> cant keep anything new
Aug 02 08:51:01 <cozub> booted ok, but I didn't see usb0... while it worked yesterday
Aug 02 08:51:29 <cozub> when I plug usb, neo makes the "click" sound, as if it detteceted somehting... but PC doesn't say a thing, I tried two different boxes
Aug 02 08:51:40 <cozub> any idea what could be the cause? :-(
Aug 02 08:51:58 <kd8ikt> i had an issue with the 8/1 build and its usb net 
Aug 02 08:52:06 <kd8ikt> is that what you mean?
Aug 02 08:52:15 <cozub> I flashed this http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/
Aug 02 08:52:29 <kd8ikt> 2008/08/1 
Aug 02 08:52:33 <kd8ikt> aka 8/1
Aug 02 08:52:33 <cozub> but just the rootfs... the kernel is whatever opkg upgraded it to
Aug 02 08:53:13 <kd8ikt> good god why you messing with that old arse build
Aug 02 08:54:25 <cozub> bc I couldn't find anbything that seemed to me like I do want to flash that
Aug 02 08:54:30 <cozub> where can I dl something more recnt?
Aug 02 08:54:44 <dns53> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/
Aug 02 08:54:57 <cozub> anyway I only started toying with it yesterday; I guess that ^ release is what it came with...
Aug 02 08:55:17 <lu_zero> nice
Aug 02 08:55:26 <cozub> btw. wasn't that broken yesterday?
Aug 02 08:55:29 <lu_zero> vodafone it doesn't work but wind it works correctly
Aug 02 08:55:30 <kd8ikt> go ahead and flash the kernel cant hurt
Aug 02 08:55:30 <mw|> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories    gives to links to bunch of different download-places, including the daily pasted above
Aug 02 08:55:39 <cozub> kd8ikt: ok, thX
Aug 02 08:56:41 <ieatlint> is the plural of jesus jesi or jesuses?
Aug 02 08:57:09 <cozub> mw|: yeah, but I do think that yesterday the freerunner link was gone...
Aug 02 08:57:17 <cozub> that's why I defaulted to the oldish release
Aug 02 08:58:27 <dns53> can you charge off usb while in uboot?
Aug 02 08:58:32 <kd8ikt> yeah it just poped up like 8hrs ago
Aug 02 08:58:57 <kd8ikt> mornin lint
Aug 02 08:59:05 <ieatlint> hey kd8ikt 
Aug 02 08:59:23 <kd8ikt> what ya been doing evening? hacking
Aug 02 08:59:37 <ieatlint> dealing with crazy girlfriend
Aug 02 08:59:49 <mw|> cozub: server had some issues yesterday, whiped away a bit too much
Aug 02 09:00:09 <kd8ikt> heh yeah i think i'll just turn gay cause all chicks are freakin crazy
Aug 02 09:00:22 <Blastur> isn't freerunner suppose to sell with a battery with >2000 mAh?
Aug 02 09:00:38 <mw|> girls should have JTAG and GDB interfaces
Aug 02 09:00:38 <mw|> :-p
Aug 02 09:00:49 <ieatlint> Blastur, no, 1200mAh
Aug 02 09:00:52 <kd8ikt> lol and nand erase couldnt hurt
Aug 02 09:00:55 <Blastur> lol mw| :P
Aug 02 09:01:25 <ieatlint> hehe, you'd probably just see a lot of divide by 0 errors
Aug 02 09:01:51 <ieatlint> maybe that's what debian needs though... more women to help fix their random number generator
Aug 02 09:01:53 <mw|> backtraces would be neat :-p
Aug 02 09:02:21 <lindi-> mw|: should it be working now? i still get "Signature check failed" and can't install anything: http://rafb.net/p/1vfvCt33.html
Aug 02 09:02:25 <mw|> the random generator thing was probably a dude beeing all tired of random shit :-p
Aug 02 09:02:36 <mw|> Signurature failures you can ignore
Aug 02 09:02:49 <lindi-> mw|: but what about this 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.'?
Aug 02 09:03:02 <ieatlint> just make your own random number generator ... "int rand() { return sex; }"
Aug 02 09:03:20 <mw|> lindi-: cat /etc/resolv.conf   on the FreeRunner
Aug 02 09:04:07 <lindi-> mw|: oh, silly me :(
Aug 02 09:04:51 <lindi-> maybe some iptables redirect trick could forward it to the real nameserver
Aug 02 09:05:03 <mw|> it defaults to 192.168.0.200
Aug 02 09:05:16 <kd8ikt> 202?
Aug 02 09:05:20 <lindi-> ah, and doesn't use dhcp by default for that
Aug 02 09:05:24 <mw|> and if you stared named/bind before attaching the phone, it wont listen to usb0
Aug 02 09:05:41 <lindi-> i run bind9 on another machine in LAN
Aug 02 09:05:41 <mw|> started
Aug 02 09:05:52 <lindi-> which doesn't help :-)
Aug 02 09:09:32 <lindi-> oh and i have clash with the networks too, 192.168.0.0/24 is already in use
Aug 02 09:10:34 <mw|> hehehehe
Aug 02 09:10:50 <mw|> lindi-: you could bridge eth0 and usb0 on the host
Aug 02 09:10:57 <mw|> :-p
Aug 02 09:11:00 <lindi-> sure
Aug 02 09:11:13 <mw|> to make things even more complicated / fun
Aug 02 09:11:23 <lindi-> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i usb0 -p udp --dport 53 -d 192.168.0.200 -j DNAT --to 194.29.192.192:53
Aug 02 09:11:26 <lindi-> seems to work now
Aug 02 09:12:39 <lindi-> mw|: however, maybe opkg could give better error messages :)
Aug 02 09:12:51 <lindi-> mw|: like "Unable to resolve \"buildhost.openmoko.org\""
Aug 02 09:13:03 <mw|> lindi-: that is true
Aug 02 09:13:13 <mw|> opkg could use some improvements I guess
Aug 02 09:13:26 <mw|> but know I need some input (called food by some folks)
Aug 02 09:13:27 <mw|> now
Aug 02 09:13:58 <lindi-> mw|: thanks for you help
Aug 02 09:14:48 <lindi-> mw|: now network seems to work but i still can't install anything: http://rafb.net/p/gj0R8Q73.html
Aug 02 09:15:51 <mw|> lindi-: opkg list|grep player
Aug 02 09:16:14 <mw|> might be that it isn't in the repository yet (they wiped it yesterday due to an error I think)
Aug 02 09:16:15 <lindi-> oh
Aug 02 09:16:28 <lindi-> so it seems
Aug 02 09:16:50 <lindi-> i saved output of opkg list to file and have been using that ever since :)
Aug 02 09:18:52 <lindi-> also x11vnc is missing
Aug 02 09:20:58 <Prezu> I just tried yesterday's build on qemu (neo-1973). But it doesn't boot. When the boot menu shows up, I press "boot", the image cleans for a while and then again the boot menu shows up. Can anyone confirm?
Aug 02 09:23:19 <lindi-> openmoko-mediaplayer prints '** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-theora'
Aug 02 09:23:55 <kd8ikt> numpty physics is cool as crap
Aug 02 09:24:30 <kd8ikt> ieatlint: hows FSO treating you
Aug 02 09:24:52 <ieatlint> sms is driving me slightly insane, but otherwise great
Aug 02 09:24:58 <TAsn> kd8ikt, is crap cool?
Aug 02 09:25:04 <ieatlint> there's an awesome game on it now
Aug 02 09:25:23 <kd8ikt> ? latest build or somethin
Aug 02 09:25:25 <ieatlint> "Numpty Physics"
Aug 02 09:25:42 <kd8ikt> heh i just said numpty physics is cool as crrap
Aug 02 09:26:07 <kd8ikt> only i dont have a keybopard that i can toggle and its kind of needed
Aug 02 09:27:06 <pabs3> get the matchbox keyboard, that is much better than the default 
Aug 02 09:27:28 <kd8ikt> doesnt matter if i cant toggle it on manually
Aug 02 09:27:45 <ieatlint> so set up the keyboard applet in the tray
Aug 02 09:27:52 <kd8ikt> fso has it right with their keyboard scheme
Aug 02 09:27:56 <ieatlint> a keyboard icon will appear, pressing it will toggle the keyboard on/off
Aug 02 09:28:04 <lindi-> yep, i have it setup here like that
Aug 02 09:28:17 <pabs3> yeah, matchbox one has the applet to turn it on and off
Aug 02 09:28:17 <kd8ikt> oh really?
Aug 02 09:28:23 <malik1972> can i use numpty with an internal keyboard?
Aug 02 09:28:34 <malik1972> or do you mean an external one
Aug 02 09:28:45 <pabs3> kd8ikt: matchbox one is stylus/fingernail only tho
Aug 02 09:29:43 <kd8ikt> i know i've played with it all
Aug 02 09:30:17 <malik1972> also with this http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/
Aug 02 09:44:13 <pabs3> how do I get the time on my top bar?
Aug 02 09:45:42 <MTrevi> Hello, I'd need just a tip: which file manager would you suggest me to use on Freerunner?
Aug 02 09:45:57 <Blastur> anyone know if there will be a second revision of the freerunner that incorporates a hw fix for the GPS / SD interference issues
Aug 02 09:47:40 <rwhitby> Blastur: I would expect that once they have actually worked out what the right fix is, they would incorporate it in the production process.
Aug 02 09:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: not sure yet. A7 board right now has some NotConnected capacitors on SD-card, which we could decide to make Connected if need arises.
Aug 02 09:59:55 <Blastur> rwhitby, did not the capacitator fix it?
Aug 02 10:00:16 <rwhitby> Blastur: read the mailing lists and make your own judgement ...
Aug 02 10:00:21 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: the kernel-paTCH FIXED IT AS WELL, IT SEEMS
Aug 02 10:00:37 <Blastur> well, i'd rather use a hw fix than clockgating
Aug 02 10:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> oops capslock
Aug 02 10:00:38 <Blastur> :)
Aug 02 10:01:10 <DocScrutinizer> you can retrofit the capacitors then, whenever you like
Aug 02 10:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> can do this on A5 & A6 even
Aug 02 10:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> rwhitby: got my mail?
Aug 02 10:02:01 <rwhitby> DocScrutinizer: just reading it now
Aug 02 10:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> rwhitby: have a look to my folder ;-)
Aug 02 10:03:14 <rwhitby> DocScrutinizer: will do so in about 30 mins - have to put the kids to bed right now
Aug 02 10:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> ok :-)
Aug 02 10:03:41 <peter__b> hi
Aug 02 10:03:59 <peter__b> does anyone know what qpe dos?
Aug 02 10:04:30 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: probably the drive-power kernelpatch is more of a real fix than mere gating
Aug 02 10:05:16 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: could reduce noise *while* accessing SD
Aug 02 10:06:26 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: we're very reluctant with doing hw-changes in MP for a fix that could be done without those
Aug 02 10:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: U never know whether you produce new bugs while fixing the one
Aug 02 10:07:30 <DocScrutinizer> Blastur: while this is a tiny issue on SW, it's a big problem on HW side
Aug 02 10:08:55 <DocScrutinizer> though with the clock-capacitor fix, it's relatively simple to undo the fix, by mere breaking away the new capacitors using "brute force"
Aug 02 10:10:10 <Blastur> true
Aug 02 10:11:59 <rwhitby> DocScrutinizer: 19 pages loud and clear
Aug 02 10:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Aug 02 10:12:32 <DocScrutinizer> please stay cool, this is beta still!
Aug 02 10:13:01 <DocScrutinizer> no need to spread all over the place, beter version comming next days.
Aug 02 10:13:27 * rwhitby knows nothing ...
Aug 02 10:14:20 <DocScrutinizer> first the little bugs need to go out there, before we publish officially
Aug 02 10:14:37 <kd8ikt> i'd like to think if your nimble enough to out the cap on it then taking it off should be a walkk in the park
Aug 02 10:15:42 <kd8ikt> i wish i had a robot arm cause i still get gittery and sweaty when replaceing ram sticks
Aug 02 10:16:27 <DocScrutinizer> don't watch me sldering 0402 components like the SD-fix-C ;-)
Aug 02 10:18:04 <kd8ikt> if i were to do it i might glue the cap to a toothpickhead
Aug 02 10:18:27 <kd8ikt> tine the sides and go from there
Aug 02 10:18:37 <kd8ikt> tin*
Aug 02 10:19:35 <kd8ikt> removing the toothpick might prove troublesome but hopefully the solder joint will be stronger
Aug 02 10:20:05 <SpeedEvil> You risk pulling off the pads
Aug 02 10:21:08 <kd8ikt> i dont think i have small enough tweezers to hold the bugger how do you do it speed?
Aug 02 10:21:19 <SpeedEvil> I've never done it.
Aug 02 10:21:21 <SpeedEvil> However.
Aug 02 10:21:38 <SpeedEvil> I would hold it in place with small tweezers, while soldering one end.
Aug 02 10:21:50 <SpeedEvil> small tweezers are inexpensive.
Aug 02 10:22:57 <kd8ikt> this really sucks about the buildhost
Aug 02 10:23:07 <SpeedEvil> ?
Aug 02 10:23:35 <kd8ikt> ipk
Aug 02 10:27:17 <matholio> 330s for a fix, inside by a windows.  is that good/bad/avg ?
Aug 02 10:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> matholio: depends. compare to a garmin, otherwise you'll never know
Aug 02 10:31:07 <matholio> I guess the onmly test is whether I think it's acceptable.
Aug 02 10:31:47 <matholio> 33s for warm reset, 70s for cold reset.
Aug 02 10:32:06 <matholio> that's using the FSOII.  Seems ok to me.
Aug 02 10:32:59 <SpeedEvil> malik1972: lock time is a small part of it.
Aug 02 10:33:04 <kd8ikt> if only gpsd saved the almanac data and smartly could determin its location based on the weeak signals it picked up
Aug 02 10:33:22 <PBeck> ahoi
Aug 02 10:33:24 <kd8ikt> in turn feed that to apps
Aug 02 10:33:25 <SpeedEvil> kd8ikt: because of the design of the chip, that is impossible.
Aug 02 10:33:45 <kd8ikt> ?
Aug 02 10:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ??
Aug 02 10:36:40 <matholio> sadly FSOII Zhone does not load at all, so it's not much use.
Aug 02 10:37:36 <SpeedEvil> kd8ikt: The GPS does not export the data that would let you do smart stuff on the CPU.
Aug 02 10:38:14 <SpeedEvil> kd8ikt: with the earlier GPS in the GTA01, and docs for it, that might have been plausible.
Aug 02 10:38:42 <SpeedEvil> matholio: the other important factor is performance in use.
Aug 02 10:39:34 <SpeedEvil> matholio: how does it perform in a poor GPS environment, say a city street with tall buildings, or indoors, compared to the normal option, when running something that accesses the SD often.
Aug 02 10:40:10 <matholio> SpeedEvil: oh, accuracy.  yeah.  good point.
Aug 02 10:40:33 <kd8ikt> well i'm in a basement with two stories above me and i got a fix, took probably like 10min but i'm just happy its locked on
Aug 02 10:41:46 <SpeedEvil> There is a fairly large difference between 'get a fix', and 'GPS does not wander off 50m every time a chunk of movie is read from the SD' forex.
Aug 02 10:42:13 <SpeedEvil> (I have not tested the FR GPS in any conditions)
Aug 02 10:42:48 <matholio> I don;t expect to watch a movie on such a tiny screen.  I certainly don;t think I would need gps at the same time.
Aug 02 10:43:00 <SpeedEvil> Or loading maps from the SD
Aug 02 10:43:05 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 02 10:43:06 <matholio> but I appreciate others might.  
Aug 02 10:43:06 <SpeedEvil> or mp3, or ...
Aug 02 10:43:19 <matholio> sure, point take.
Aug 02 10:43:26 <matholio> taken
Aug 02 10:43:41 <Guilt> hey guys.
Aug 02 10:43:53 <Guilt> how much space does OE take to build openmoko-devel-image? 
Aug 02 10:43:59 <SpeedEvil> 15G+
Aug 02 10:44:01 <Guilt> i guess the arm files are built but i686 isnt
Aug 02 10:44:11 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: with rm_task or without
Aug 02 10:44:32 <SpeedEvil> without
Aug 02 10:44:36 <SpeedEvil> Dunno
Aug 02 10:44:47 <Guilt> hmmm.
Aug 02 10:50:00 <rwhitby> Guilt: even with rm_work it peaks pretty high
Aug 02 10:50:57 <Guilt> that
Aug 02 10:51:13 <Guilt> that's okay.  i was building with a 3..2g partition when it ran outta spacce
Aug 02 10:51:21 <Guilt> i've got a 40gig partition coming up ;)
Aug 02 10:51:43 <Guilt> so i should be able to migrate my WS to that disk and symlink it up
Aug 02 10:52:19 * rwhitby loves how the inductive coils on the FR are made by the same company that makes my car
Aug 02 10:55:44 <kd8ikt> my CPU damn near reached critical mass during a mokomake
Aug 02 10:56:02 <kd8ikt> i had to retrofit a few fans i had lying around 
Aug 02 10:56:26 <kd8ikt> 100C is a lot right?
Aug 02 10:56:33 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Aug 02 10:56:41 <SpeedEvil> Silicon doesn't melt till 1300C or so.
Aug 02 10:57:04 <kd8ikt> whats 100C in F
Aug 02 10:57:08 <SpeedEvil> 212
Aug 02 10:57:12 <SpeedEvil> boiling
Aug 02 10:57:18 <kd8ikt> fahck
Aug 02 10:57:36 <kd8ikt> i dropped the fans on it and it almost instantly went down to 50
Aug 02 10:58:18 <kd8ikt> i know i set my soldering iron to 400
Aug 02 10:58:50 <kd8ikt> 400-600 does the job
Aug 02 10:59:00 <ieatlint> heh, 100c cpu temp is way too hot
Aug 02 10:59:16 <ieatlint> depends on the cpu type as to how hot it should be
Aug 02 10:59:27 <kd8ikt> noshit but hey my laptop survived
Aug 02 10:59:28 <SpeedEvil> 100C is over the top for most CPUs.
Aug 02 10:59:35 <SpeedEvil> Though I have seen ones that go to 250C
Aug 02 10:59:39 <kd8ikt> pentium 4 1.7ghz
Aug 02 10:59:45 <kd8ikt> pentium m
Aug 02 11:00:07 <ieatlint> the sensor was probably wrong then
Aug 02 11:00:14 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Aug 02 11:00:17 <ieatlint> well, even then, the bios should kill the computer by that temp
Aug 02 11:00:37 <SpeedEvil> BIOS varies in effectiveness under linux.
Aug 02 11:00:47 <ieatlint> hehe, the classic "my computer is playing it's a small world" ... is that bad? :P
Aug 02 11:00:52 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 02 11:27:35 <Aicart> Hello
Aug 02 11:30:20 <Aicart> Freerunner's hardware is free (as in freedom) ?
Aug 02 11:31:13 <mjr> no
Aug 02 11:32:06 <SpeedEvil> There have been allegations that it might be at some time in the future.
Aug 02 11:32:20 <Aicart> Ok, thanks.
Aug 02 11:32:31 <Stroller> Hmmmn.... I would say "it depends on your definition of free"
Aug 02 11:32:52 <Stroller> I'm happy with its freeness because there are open drivers for everything
Aug 02 11:33:00 <Aicart> Yes, me too
Aug 02 11:33:10 <SpeedEvil> Stroller: at the moment, it's free in neither the hardware design, or hardware are free.
Aug 02 11:33:50 <Stroller> This being a shedload better than most any other cute little embedded Linux device I've (personally) hacked on.
Aug 02 11:34:22 <SpeedEvil> There are alternative fun devices - few have displays though.
Aug 02 11:34:28 <SpeedEvil> http://www.tincantools.com/ forex
Aug 02 11:35:15 <Stroller> SpeedEvil: maybe, but I don't know that that "free hardware design" is the same thing as "free hardware (as in freedom)" 
Aug 02 11:35:28 <Stroller> I mean, obviously it depends on what you're looking for 
Aug 02 11:35:36 <Stroller> And your individual definition
Aug 02 11:36:01 <SpeedEvil> To get it to fly at that altitude, you need stupidly large wings.
Aug 02 11:36:04 <SpeedEvil> oops
Aug 02 11:36:15 <quickdev> Has anyone some experiences with the ublox gps protocol?
Aug 02 11:36:21 <SpeedEvil> By some definitions, the FR is quite unfree.
Aug 02 11:36:24 <Aicart> Thanks :)
Aug 02 11:36:27 <Stroller> For me "hardware which I can run entirely on free software" is adequate for "free hardware (as in freedom)" 
Aug 02 11:36:36 <Aicart> I'm leaving. bye
Aug 02 11:36:43 <Stroller> MY personal opinion
Aug 02 11:36:46 <SpeedEvil> Closed-source wifi, bluetooth, GSM, GPS, glamo
Aug 02 11:36:58 <tedo> quickdev: a little bit
Aug 02 11:38:52 <lindi-> any idea what i'm doing wrong with gprs? i followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS and strace shows chat sends "+++\r" but gets no response
Aug 02 11:39:13 <quickdev> tedo, I'm trying to read from /dev/ttySAC0: http://rafb.net/p/ljoVIr74.html
Aug 02 11:39:47 <quickdev> tedo, I never get the initial sequences of a ublox packet
Aug 02 11:40:13 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: free hardware definition might be bit tricky to write?
Aug 02 11:40:27 <SpeedEvil> True.
Aug 02 11:40:39 <lindi-> quickdev: isn't ttySAC0 supposed to be gsm and not gps?
Aug 02 11:40:59 <quickdev> yeah, I meant /dev/ttySAC1
Aug 02 11:41:03 <lindi-> # cat /etc/default/gpsd
Aug 02 11:41:04 <lindi-> GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1"
Aug 02 11:41:06 <lindi-> ok
Aug 02 11:41:10 <SpeedEvil> It varies all the way from PCB layouts and silicon layouts, to PCB layouts alone, with firmware, PCB layouts with hidden firmware, ...
Aug 02 11:41:24 <lindi-> i'd need picocom now to talk to the gsm modem manually
Aug 02 11:41:52 <tedo> quickdev: i played a little bit with ogpsd and it works fin: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=tree;f=framework/subsystems/ogpsd;h=bec240a9f6e7705ea0a884bda79f9c3ebe53f07f;hb=HEAD
Aug 02 11:42:09 <lindi-> echo -en "AT\r\n" > /dev/ttySAC0
Aug 02 11:42:12 <lindi-> it responds to
Aug 02 11:42:46 <tedo> quickdev: you enabled the ubx messages?
Aug 02 11:43:13 <Aicart> bye
Aug 02 11:43:14 <quickdev> tedo, no, but I'm wondering what he's sending to me ;)
Aug 02 11:44:34 <tedo> quickdev: nmea? i don't have a fr yet, but my ublox module only sends nmea by default
Aug 02 11:44:54 <lindi-> AT+CFUN=1\r -> ERROR
Aug 02 11:45:46 <quickdev> tedo, you're right: http://rafb.net/p/28mWAM59.html
Aug 02 11:47:21 <quickdev> tedo, now I requested a message and it works. Thanks :)
Aug 02 11:47:42 <tedo> quickdev: np
Aug 02 11:59:02 <alphaone> SpeedEvil: What do you mean by "Closed-source wifi, bluetooth, GSM, GPS, glamo" ?
Aug 02 12:00:02 <alphaone> you mean the firmware?
Aug 02 12:01:42 <mjr> he does
Aug 02 12:03:32 <mjr> personally, I wouldn't call it free hardware. I might call it somewhat "open" since we have free drivers. "Somewhat" because the specs of those aren't...
Aug 02 12:08:26 <alphaone> fair enough
Aug 02 12:13:26 <grind_> hello everybody's out there
Aug 02 12:16:06 <grind_> got a problem with my FR : I tried to disable wifi, in order to test gps. gps worked fine. Then I tried to plug my FR by USB, but I can't SSH anymore, and battery won't charge. So I rebooted it, same result. Tried a networking restart, and it says "usb0 no such device". I googled solutions like "ifdown usb0 ifup usb0", but with my keyboard bug, I can't type a 0 in the terminal...
Aug 02 12:16:46 <grind_> if anyone got an idea to get usb0 device back :)
Aug 02 12:20:46 <Quai> grind_: my keyboard also starts sending ] on my 0 button. A workaround is to type ctrl+0 
Aug 02 12:21:16 <lindi-> Quai: i see this too
Aug 02 12:21:20 <lindi-> Quai: 2007.2?
Aug 02 12:21:25 <Quai> mm
Aug 02 12:21:36 <grind_> yes
Aug 02 12:21:57 <lindi-> 1) let's find if it has been reported
Aug 02 12:22:00 <grind_> ok I managed to run ifdown ifup, but it only says that it can't find usb0
Aug 02 12:22:59 <grind_> lindi-: I haven't found something about this problem
Aug 02 12:24:26 <lindi-> grind_: Quai: i'll report it then, do you want your email address to CC?
Aug 02 12:24:47 <grind_> yes plz, executionner@free.fr
Aug 02 12:24:59 <lindi-> grind_: Quai: also, have you figured out how to reproduce it? it happens randomly here
Aug 02 12:25:12 <grind_> when trying /etc/init.d/networking restart, got that :
Aug 02 12:25:13 <grind_> Reconfiguring network interfaces... route: SIOCDELRT: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:13 <grind_> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:13 <grind_> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:13 <grind_> usb0    No such device
Aug 02 12:25:13 <grind_> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:15 <grind_> ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:17 <grind_> route: SIOCADDRT: No such device
Aug 02 12:25:19 <grind_> done.
Aug 02 12:25:51 <grind_> like I said, I powered down wifi, power up GPS, power down GPS, and this happens
Aug 02 12:26:11 <grind_> just before, usb networking worked fine
Aug 02 12:28:15 <grind_> lsusb says "Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000"
Aug 02 12:29:37 <lindi-> grind_: Quai: done: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1725
Aug 02 12:31:06 <grind_> lindi-: ok thanks
Aug 02 12:36:09 <kd8ikt> theres this neat service called pastebin... you should look into it
Aug 02 12:36:48 <quickdev> Is it possible to update the firmware  of the GPS chipset?
Aug 02 12:36:54 <quickdev> on neo freerunners
Aug 02 12:36:58 <SpeedEvil> In principle yes, as I understand it.
Aug 02 12:37:00 <SpeedEvil> However.
Aug 02 12:37:14 <SpeedEvil> I don't think this sort of chip ever has had a in field upgrade.
Aug 02 12:37:51 <lindi-> kd8ikt: "ifconfig | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" is fastest way from your neo :)
Aug 02 12:38:10 <quickdev> yeah, hehe
Aug 02 12:38:43 <quickdev> ublox4 misses some comfortable functions that exist in ublox 5 :(
Aug 02 12:38:47 <lindi-> grind_: battery not charging sounds quite low level
Aug 02 12:39:00 <lindi-> grind_: 1) reboot 2) check lsusb on your desktop computer
Aug 02 12:40:15 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r489a78753f3c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE]: fix GetStatus()
Aug 02 12:40:15 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re7fd4ee139e3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: 
Aug 02 12:40:15 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: improve robustness for GetInfo
Aug 02 12:40:15 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: Note: should use individual commands for maximum effect
Aug 02 12:40:18 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * red9175b3a22c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/modem.py: ogsmd: add generic mode-wide data storage pool in modem. This will be used for inter-channel communication
Aug 02 12:40:22 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r775cfd3c690d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE]: use modem data storage to keep track of roaming status
Aug 02 12:41:29 <grind_> lindi-: thats already done. I rebooted, and lsusb says "Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000"
Aug 02 12:42:03 <SpeedEvil> grind_: that's irrelevant
Aug 02 12:42:11 <SpeedEvil> grind_: that's the port on your computer
Aug 02 12:42:25 <grind_> no, on FR
Aug 02 12:42:41 <lindi-> grind_: but run lsusb on your desktop machine please?
Aug 02 12:43:01 <grind_> lindi-: oh yes sorry. 
Aug 02 12:43:01 <grind_> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:43:01 <grind_> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:43:01 <grind_> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:43:01 <grind_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1020:030a Labtec 
Aug 02 12:43:02 <grind_> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:43:02 <cozub> grind_: I've experienced some usb net issues too
Aug 02 12:43:30 <Guilt> is there a way we can get any-device network without fiddling much with routes?
Aug 02 12:43:34 <cozub> when I plugged usb, neo would "click" (i.e. detect the event), but on PC either nothing happened, or I saw some errors in dmesg
Aug 02 12:43:48 <Guilt> you know, if i add wireless, there should be a failover to usb/bluetooth/gprs
Aug 02 12:43:55 <lindi-> grind_: ok so your desktop can't see your freerunner either :(
Aug 02 12:44:05 <Guilt> i'm not sure how hard it is to set up. 
Aug 02 12:44:46 <cozub> grind_: btw http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1711
Aug 02 12:44:55 <lindi-> Guilt: i better read three months worth of mailing archives before trying to write one myself
Aug 02 12:45:10 <Guilt> lindi-: hmmm :-) 
Aug 02 12:45:47 <cozub> although I don't understand why was it set to invalid...
Aug 02 12:46:13 <lindi-> Guilt: yes, since irc is not the best place. there's no easy way to search irc logs for this channel :)
Aug 02 12:46:26 <grind_> cozub: thanks, but I got it worked in this PC session without upgrading FR, but I will try this solution, thanks
Aug 02 12:46:35 <Guilt> lindi- some people maintain channel archives
Aug 02 12:46:42 <lindi-> Guilt: for this channel?
Aug 02 12:46:51 <Guilt> not sure about that
Aug 02 12:47:10 <lindi-> Guilt: if yes it should be mentioned in the topic probably
Aug 02 12:47:18 <cozub> grind_: that's not a solution, just some1 complaining of usb problem
Aug 02 12:47:43 <cozub> as for me... I flashed the FS + kernel to the daily build
Aug 02 12:48:03 <cozub> ifup usb0 doesn't seem to work, but if I enter "ifconfig usb0 addr" then it works
Aug 02 12:48:04 <Guilt> lindi-: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/
Aug 02 12:48:14 <Guilt> yes, we should ^
Aug 02 12:48:42 <lindi-> since that url is impossible to remember :)
Aug 02 12:48:53 <quickdev> Does anyone know what the format of the .alp files u-blox provides looks like?
Aug 02 12:49:35 <grind_> cozub: right... I got problems on my pc too, I tried /etc/init.d/networking restart, and got this : 
Aug 02 12:49:35 <grind_> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:49:35 <grind_> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:49:35 <grind_> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:49:35 <grind_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1020:030a Labtec 
Aug 02 12:49:36 <grind_> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Aug 02 12:49:55 <grind_> oh sorry, bad copy past
Aug 02 12:49:55 <grind_>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Aug 02 12:49:55 <grind_> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
Aug 02 12:49:55 <grind_> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Aug 02 12:49:55 <grind_> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
Aug 02 12:49:57 <grind_> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Aug 02 12:49:59 <grind_> Failed to bring up usb0.
Aug 02 12:50:01 <grind_>                                                                          [ OK ]
Aug 02 12:50:49 <SpeedEvil> It should pop up with something like Bus 3 Device 2: ID 1457:5122  
Aug 02 12:50:56 <SpeedEvil> (which is the GTA01)
Aug 02 12:50:58 <SuD> could wifi driver support monitor/master mode ? and raw injection ?
Aug 02 12:51:03 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure of the exact USB ID of FR
Aug 02 12:51:08 <SpeedEvil> summatusmentis: yes
Aug 02 12:51:10 <SpeedEvil> sud:
Aug 02 12:51:27 <SpeedEvil> SuD: if someone reverse engineers the appropriate code into the binary blob for the wifi
Aug 02 12:51:48 <grind_> hum right, I will try to reboot both FR and PC
Aug 02 12:52:03 <lindi-> grind_: rafb.net/paste please :)
Aug 02 12:52:28 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: 1457:5122
Aug 02 12:52:53 <SpeedEvil> linuxxr: suspected so.
Aug 02 12:53:22 <grind_> lindi-: don't knew it, I was just flooding the channel, my apologies :)
Aug 02 12:54:09 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs
Aug 02 12:54:37 <lindi-> i didn't know it had so many possible IDs ;)
Aug 02 12:56:41 <Guilt> one of the reasons it there actually are two usb hosts, i guess
Aug 02 12:56:51 <Guilt> reason being DFU and standard USB/RNDIS
Aug 02 12:56:52 <SpeedEvil> Guilt: nope
Aug 02 12:57:02 <SpeedEvil> Guilt: you can only access one - without soldering
Aug 02 12:57:16 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: but why does Linux probe two USBs? 
Aug 02 12:57:27 <Guilt> oh wait.
Aug 02 12:57:35 <Guilt> no. only one device.
Aug 02 12:57:42 <Guilt> other is my stupid dell modem
Aug 02 12:57:59 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: right. :-)
Aug 02 12:58:15 <Guilt> in any case, lsusb should tell the output. 
Aug 02 12:58:32 <Guilt> hm. 
Aug 02 12:58:46 <baird> I've rediscovered what the "Sansasoft" font was familiar too-- the TrueType "MPW" font from ?Apple.
Aug 02 12:59:33 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: the product IDs are different though
Aug 02 12:59:43 <grind_> hmm, rebooted both PC and FR, USB connection still don't work..
Aug 02 12:59:44 <Guilt> how does that happen?
Aug 02 13:00:05 <SpeedEvil> grind_: does your cable work
Aug 02 13:00:28 <SpeedEvil> Guilt: if you press the right buttons on boot, you drop into the uboot loader, which has its own ID
Aug 02 13:00:33 <Guilt> grind_: paste the output of lsusb
Aug 02 13:00:38 <Guilt> on pastebin
Aug 02 13:00:45 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: oh, okay. :-)
Aug 02 13:00:52 <grind_> SpeedEvil: it worked well just before I tried to disable wifi/ enable gps, but I will try another cable
Aug 02 13:00:55 <Guilt> SpeedEvil: is it safe to flash the nor uboot?
Aug 02 13:01:28 <lindi-> Guilt: why would you do that?
Aug 02 13:01:40 <grind_> Guilt: http://rafb.net/p/DKeptF69.html
Aug 02 13:01:42 <matholio> don;t think you can without the debug board.
Aug 02 13:01:44 <Guilt> idk. i keep seeing these newer releases 
Aug 02 13:02:03 <SpeedEvil> Guilt: you cannot without a debug board or soldering iron
Aug 02 13:02:34 <Guilt> grind_: your usb device isnt detected
Aug 02 13:02:38 <Guilt> heck. 
Aug 02 13:02:39 <Guilt> :(
Aug 02 13:02:43 <matholio> is opkg update going to work if I go back to 20007.2 ?
Aug 02 13:02:49 <Guilt> can u try connecting it to different usb ports?
Aug 02 13:02:57 <Guilt> also, can u paste the output of dmesg ?
Aug 02 13:03:10 <matholio> 2007.2, I thought the build server was down.
Aug 02 13:05:10 <grind_> Guilt: http://rafb.net/p/5phNlg31.html 
Aug 02 13:06:27 <Guilt> grind_: in ur ubuntu box, run: lsmod | grep usb-net
Aug 02 13:06:30 <Guilt> what does it show?
Aug 02 13:06:48 <Guilt> sorry, usbnet
Aug 02 13:06:51 <Guilt> single word
Aug 02 13:07:13 <grind_> Guilt: I tried two other usb ports, with same results
Aug 02 13:07:41 <Guilt> hm. grind_ is usbnet isn't shown, run: modprobe usbnet as root
Aug 02 13:07:52 <Guilt> if*
Aug 02 13:08:05 <lindi-> Guilt: but if lsusb does not show the device then it's useless anway?
Aug 02 13:08:36 <Guilt> i think so. just verifying
Aug 02 13:08:45 <Guilt> my kernel prints this when i connect a usb device:
Aug 02 13:08:46 <Guilt> usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 27
Aug 02 13:08:46 <Guilt> usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
Aug 02 13:08:49 <grind_> Guilt: http://rafb.net/p/4Sbvxk75.html
Aug 02 13:09:13 <Guilt> can u try reconnecting ur device, doing dmesg and lsusb ?
Aug 02 13:09:25 <grind_> yes
Aug 02 13:09:42 <Guilt> lindi-: just testing
Aug 02 13:10:26 <grind_> Guilt: done, http://rafb.net/p/DHCN9B30.html
Aug 02 13:10:33 <grind_> I just pasted the end of dmesg
Aug 02 13:11:00 <grind_> things added in dmesg are only for my mouse, which I tried to replace with FR
Aug 02 13:11:34 <Guilt> [  769.759604] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
Aug 02 13:11:34 <Guilt> [  770.012515] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Aug 02 13:11:36 <Guilt> hm. 
Aug 02 13:11:48 <Guilt> well. what kernel are u using in ubuntu?
Aug 02 13:11:50 <Guilt> uname -a
Aug 02 13:12:04 <grind_> Guilt: Linux grind-desktop 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 23:41:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
Aug 02 13:12:18 <Guilt> i am using 2.6.25
Aug 02 13:12:35 <Guilt> when was the Freerunner's USB IDs added into the kernel, anybody have any ideas?
Aug 02 13:12:44 <lindi-> Guilt: it shouldn't matter
Aug 02 13:12:52 <Guilt> lindi-: device IDs
Aug 02 13:12:58 <lindi-> Guilt: lsusb will show unknown devices too
Aug 02 13:13:02 <Guilt> see his dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/DHCN9B30.html
Aug 02 13:13:05 <Guilt> hm. yeah
Aug 02 13:13:14 <lindi-> and it works with my 2.6.18
Aug 02 13:13:36 <lindi-> something wrong on freerunner side i'm afraid
Aug 02 13:13:54 <grind_> it worked fine with my 2.6.24 too, until this gps test (but there's no reason to broke this usb connection..)
Aug 02 13:13:58 <Guilt> lindi-: but it shows that a usb device is getting connected
Aug 02 13:14:24 <Guilt> grind: latest version of the kernel has a borken usb-ether drive
Aug 02 13:14:25 <Guilt> r
Aug 02 13:14:34 <Guilt> i had the problem a couple days ago
Aug 02 13:14:40 <Guilt> i reverted to an older version
Aug 02 13:14:46 <lindi-> Guilt: what are all those segfaults? ;)
Aug 02 13:14:46 <grind_> on FR ?
Aug 02 13:14:56 <Guilt> yes, on FR
Aug 02 13:15:05 <Guilt> lindi-: must be some ubuntu thingamagic ;)
Aug 02 13:15:29 <grind_> lindi-: segfaults are cuz of my pc upgrade, RAM is broken
Aug 02 13:15:31 <lindi-> Guilt: are you sure it shows the device connected? isn't that just the mouse
Aug 02 13:15:52 <Guilt> oh. with that old drver. no didnt check that.
Aug 02 13:16:12 <Guilt> grind: when u go into the nor flash menu and connect ur freerunner to PC, does it show?
Aug 02 13:16:20 <Guilt> (lsusb, dmesg) 
Aug 02 13:16:51 <Guilt> and, if it doesn't show, i'm sorry but to arrive at lindi's conclusion myself.
Aug 02 13:18:49 <grind_> Guilt: I'm in nor flash, and there's new thing in dmesg
Aug 02 13:18:57 <grind_> lsusb too
Aug 02 13:19:04 <Guilt> beautiful.
Aug 02 13:19:10 <Guilt> now flash the kernel with something old
Aug 02 13:19:16 <Guilt> older uImage.bin
Aug 02 13:19:18 <Guilt> and reboot!
Aug 02 13:19:19 <grind_> http://rafb.net/p/adkfgK66.html
Aug 02 13:19:41 <grind_> Guilt: on FR ?
Aug 02 13:19:46 <Guilt> good, good. flash ur freerunner and reboot it.
Aug 02 13:19:47 <Guilt> yeah
Aug 02 13:20:08 <Guilt> one of the the -git27 kernels had a problem
Aug 02 13:20:27 <Guilt> i wonder why they put untested/unfortunate kernels on the daily feed
Aug 02 13:20:31 * Guilt slasps devs
Aug 02 13:20:48 <grind_> hum
Aug 02 13:21:01 <mickey_away> probably because a daily feed is just that... a daily feed
Aug 02 13:21:13 <mickey_away> i would rather pester the release guys to maintain an update feed
Aug 02 13:21:16 <Guilt> mickey_away: a daily feed of crap ;)
Aug 02 13:21:26 <mickey_away> where manually tested packages land
Aug 02 13:21:41 <Guilt> mickey_away: not having the ether driver is a crime :-D
Aug 02 13:21:56 <grind_> Guilt: do I have to flash only the kernel ?
Aug 02 13:21:58 <Guilt> there was a image corruption with one of the images too 
Aug 02 13:22:02 <Guilt> grind_: yes.
Aug 02 13:22:07 <Guilt> brb. dinner. :-)
Aug 02 13:22:15 <mickey_away> well
Aug 02 13:22:21 <mickey_away> the problem is the kernel dev makes a chance
Aug 02 13:22:27 <mickey_away> that has consequences for the build system
Aug 02 13:22:30 <johngay> A daily feed for us to test and bug-report on.
Aug 02 13:22:32 <mickey_away> but he does not care too much about the build system
Aug 02 13:22:55 <mickey_away> so a couple of days pass until the fix gets into the build system
Aug 02 13:23:06 <mickey_away> fwiw, that's where OE is more stable
Aug 02 13:23:24 <mickey_away> since there's a decoupled defconfig
Aug 02 13:23:26 <johngay> Silly question but, there ARE more FR's on the way, right?
Aug 02 13:23:32 <grind_> Guilt: what kernel do I need on FR ?
Aug 02 13:23:49 <mickey_away> johngay: yeah, more are being produced atm.
Aug 02 13:24:45 <johngay> Good. My finances have recently hit a Grand Canyon sized pot-hole, but I do want to get one.
Aug 02 13:32:31 <grind_> Guilt: It worked ! Thanks  !
Aug 02 13:33:30 <ajbrun> can anyone tell me how i can install the python-pygtk package?
Aug 02 13:34:27 <Rorschach_> hi I will get my freerunner this week and I'm wondering which is the best usable image at the time. is it the asu?
Aug 02 13:35:11 <QuaiMoko> heh, this irssi client has been running on my fr since last night
Aug 02 13:36:24 <matholio> can anyone tell me where the latest 2007.2 files are.  and best combo of uboot, kernel and fsroot?
Aug 02 13:38:03 <dns53> opkg update gives some 404 errors, is this temporary?
Aug 02 13:38:31 <ajbrun> it's been about 2 days now
Aug 02 13:38:38 <ajbrun> pretty annoying tbh
Aug 02 13:39:03 <pazante> hi can anyone tell me where i can find the wifi.png the little icon
Aug 02 13:40:57 <kd8ikt> ?
Aug 02 13:41:29 <kd8ikt> taskbar?
Aug 02 13:42:08 <pazante> yes taskbar and if itś on the wiki somewhere
Aug 02 13:42:56 <flexd|gruu> QuaiMoko: Is the irssi client in the repos somewhere, or did you compile it for the FR?
Aug 02 13:43:43 <kd8ikt> think the scardy cat repo has it
Aug 02 13:44:23 <pazante> thanks
Aug 02 13:45:31 <dns53> i can't install tango gps as it depends gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) where can i get this dependency?
Aug 02 13:45:46 <kd8ikt> -nodeps
Aug 02 13:45:57 <kd8ikt> worked for me
Aug 02 13:46:26 <ajbrun> opkg fails with 404s
Aug 02 13:46:28 <pazante> i have the same problem with tango
Aug 02 13:46:57 <kd8ikt> try opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk -nodeps
Aug 02 13:47:17 <ajbrun> but are the dependancies not needed for it to work?
Aug 02 13:47:26 <kd8ikt> "try"
Aug 02 13:47:58 <kd8ikt> milleage may vary
Aug 02 13:48:17 <ajbrun> how do you uninstall something?
Aug 02 13:48:20 <ajbrun> opkg uninstall?
Aug 02 13:48:24 <kd8ikt> remove
Aug 02 13:48:27 <ajbrun> ah
Aug 02 13:48:58 <flexd|gruu> kd8ikt: Where can i read about adding the scaredycat repos?
Aug 02 13:49:26 <kd8ikt> dunno if thats wise unless your using scaredycat images
Aug 02 13:49:43 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
Aug 02 13:49:49 <ajbrun> do we know why it's giving 404s?
Aug 02 13:49:55 <ajbrun> or what the problem is?
Aug 02 13:50:25 <kd8ikt> someone made a big buildhost overhaul a lot of the pakgs we know and love are gone from it
Aug 02 13:50:35 <flexd|gruu> kd8ikt: Atm im just using a 2007.2 iimage
Aug 02 13:50:36 <flexd|gruu> iamge*
Aug 02 13:50:37 <flexd|gruu> image*
Aug 02 13:50:41 <flexd|gruu> I might aswell use one of his.
Aug 02 13:50:45 <flexd|gruu> aslong as it works
Aug 02 13:50:54 <ajbrun> do we know when it will be working better than it is now?
Aug 02 13:51:24 <kd8ikt> i made a pkg of agpsui if anyone cares cause i couldnt find it anywhere except http://projects.openmoko.org
Aug 02 13:51:51 <kd8ikt> http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg
Aug 02 13:52:22 <ajbrun> ty kd8ikt 
Aug 02 13:52:27 <kd8ikt> they probably overhauled the buildhost's repos for a reason
Aug 02 13:52:46 <kd8ikt> so people actually have to do stuff themselves instead of opkg magic
Aug 02 13:53:13 <ajbrun> oh :(
Aug 02 13:53:26 <matholio> has anyone had their power button stay depressed, stuck in?
Aug 02 13:53:36 <kd8ikt> wink wink get off your duff and do some hardcore work
Aug 02 13:53:44 <ajbrun> do you know how to remove a package if it was installed via an ipk that i downloaded myself?
Aug 02 13:54:07 <ajbrun> or find the name of it to install it rather
Aug 02 13:54:29 <kd8ikt> 'opkg'
Aug 02 13:54:44 <kd8ikt> and skim the output it'll make you a better person
Aug 02 13:55:10 <ajbrun> nm - got it now
Aug 02 13:55:11 <matholio> maybe not better.
Aug 02 13:55:28 <matholio> maybe just wiser about opkg.
Aug 02 13:55:49 <kd8ikt> when then internet dies you wont cry
Aug 02 13:58:28 <matholio> I'll go back to BBSs.
Aug 02 14:07:12 <Wolv-X> hello 
Aug 02 14:07:29 <Wolv-X> anybody has problems with buiding webkit-gtk ?
Aug 02 14:07:46 <kd8ikt> i've been reading through AR6k SDIO linux SDIO stack crap for like hrs i will kill for direct access 
Aug 02 14:08:10 <linuxxr> just leave the stock build on it for now unless u a dev
Aug 02 14:08:30 <kd8ikt> no Wolv-X but i bet you are
Aug 02 14:08:33 <kd8ikt> ;)
Aug 02 14:10:04 <Wolv-X> i am beeing crazy with this package
Aug 02 14:15:32 <T0o0T> Hi, anyone tried fso milestone 2? 
Aug 02 14:18:21 <bumbl> yes
Aug 02 14:18:27 <bumbl> <-
Aug 02 14:18:48 <T0o0T> and? is it good? 
Aug 02 14:22:46 <linuxxr> haha
Aug 02 14:24:32 <matholio> I tried it.  the dialer crashed.  wasn't able to start the dialer at all.
Aug 02 14:26:03 <T0o0T> hmm too bad, I was hoping for something to replace qtopia. 
Aug 02 14:26:09 <bumbl> T0o0T: I think so
Aug 02 14:26:29 <bumbl> i haven't had any probles yet
Aug 02 14:26:41 <bumbl> s/probles/problems/
Aug 02 14:26:41 <apt> bumbl meant: i haven't had any problems yet
Aug 02 14:26:48 <matholio> try it, you may have a better experience.  I've not heard anyone else have the problems I did.
Aug 02 14:26:54 <T0o0T> ok. and how is battery life? 
Aug 02 14:27:23 <bumbl> T0o0T: I don't know
Aug 02 14:27:42 <bumbl> I use it too much; suspend and resume works fine though
Aug 02 14:28:11 <T0o0T> ah.. that's already better than the stock 2007.2 
Aug 02 14:28:40 <T0o0T> I had a lot of issues getting it to resume, even needed to take out the battery a lot
Aug 02 14:29:21 <bumbl> also the image seems to be smoother than the 2007.2
Aug 02 14:29:33 <T0o0T> nice 
Aug 02 14:30:50 <viciouslime> hello guys, where can I get an ASU image from?
Aug 02 14:31:36 <T0o0T> Right now I'm using qtopia a day now and like it a lot. Will try FSO milestone 2 later this week to compare. 
Aug 02 14:32:02 <Wolv-X> viciouslime: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Openmoko_from_scratch#Q:_Where_to_get_snapshot_images.3F
Aug 02 14:32:04 <El_Senator> viciouslime: i don't think it's up right now
Aug 02 14:32:34 <viciouslime> it's not, does anyone know of a mirror or have one they could maybe send me? :)
Aug 02 14:32:51 <viciouslime> or a plain qtopia image would be good...
Aug 02 14:33:04 <El_Senator> you can grab the qtopia image from qtopia.net
Aug 02 14:34:00 <El_Senator> i have the ASU image from 22nd of july if you want it
Aug 02 14:34:05 <viciouslime> thanks El_Senator, thought they'd taken that down too
Aug 02 14:34:36 <El_Senator> but keep in mind that an official release of ASU is right around the corner
Aug 02 14:34:40 <El_Senator> i think
Aug 02 14:40:32 <torindel> matholio: probably you run into sms bug
Aug 02 14:40:41 <_Otka_Wodka_> Oo
Aug 02 14:40:54 <torindel> o_O
Aug 02 14:41:18 <_Otka_Wodka_> was geht den hier ab xD
Aug 02 14:41:43 <torindel> english plz
Aug 02 14:41:58 <_Otka_Wodka_> my englisch is bad xD
Aug 02 14:42:18 <torindel> and i dont understand a word from german ;]
Aug 02 14:42:28 <_Otka_Wodka_> :)
Aug 02 14:46:04 <vpv> hi, has anyone using Fedora managed to get the neo connected to the network via the usb cable by doing NAT on the host computer or something?
Aug 02 14:46:30 <vpv> I seem to have no luck with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Option_B
Aug 02 14:48:49 <teprrr> hi, can anyone tell me whether there are new images which can be used with neo1973?
Aug 02 14:49:01 <teprrr> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D contains only old ones :/
Aug 02 14:50:23 <teprrr> or should http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ work?
Aug 02 14:50:35 <teprrr> images from there I mean
Aug 02 14:51:04 <mnagy> vpv: yup
Aug 02 14:51:32 <vpv> mnagy: with those instructions from the wiki?
Aug 02 14:52:02 <mnagy> vpv: not exactly those
Aug 02 14:52:52 <mnagy> vpv: I just plugged it in and setup the network
Aug 02 14:53:06 <mnagy> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
Aug 02 14:53:06 <mnagy> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200
Aug 02 14:54:13 <mnagy> I also edited /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 according to the instruction
Aug 02 14:54:22 <Chocky> moo
Aug 02 14:54:25 <mnagy> but I changed the iptables settings by myself
Aug 02 14:54:47 <vpv> mnagy: so you need to do some iptables magic?
Aug 02 14:54:48 * Chocky is responsible for the instructions
Aug 02 14:55:22 <mnagy> I'm not sure it's magic :)
Aug 02 14:55:39 <mnagy> from /etc/sysconfig/iptables
Aug 02 14:55:40 <mnagy> -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d ! 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE 
Aug 02 14:55:44 <Chocky> And once again, Fedora makes life hard.
Aug 02 14:56:02 <lindi-> Chocky: at least the instructions use iproute, that's progress
Aug 02 14:56:18 <Chocky> eurgh. that's excessive, IMO
Aug 02 14:56:31 <mnagy> -A FORWARD -d 192.168.0.0/24 -o usb0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT 
Aug 02 14:56:34 <Chocky> mnagy: what is your desktop's IP?
Aug 02 14:56:34 <mnagy> -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -i usb0 -j ACCEPT 
Aug 02 14:57:04 <Chocky> actually, take a step back.  did the manual steps work for you, and if not, at which point?
Aug 02 14:57:07 <mnagy> and also allowing ports 53 and 67
Aug 02 14:57:49 <mnagy> Chocky: 192.168.0.200
Aug 02 14:58:09 <Chocky> what is its _other_ IP?
Aug 02 14:58:30 <mnagy> 192.168.1.115
Aug 02 14:58:38 <mnagy> using 192.168.0 is ugly
Aug 02 14:58:40 <Chocky> so no problem with IP overlap
Aug 02 14:58:47 <Chocky> so do the manual instructions work?
Aug 02 14:58:50 <mnagy> Chocky: I don't have any problems :)
Aug 02 14:58:58 <Chocky> gah
Aug 02 14:58:59 <vpv> Chocky: so the manual stuff should just work?
Aug 02 14:59:01 <mnagy> Chocky: vpv here is the one with problems :)
Aug 02 14:59:06 <Chocky> pfft
Aug 02 14:59:24 <Chocky> vpv: yes, it should.  But if it doesn't, it's very important to say at what point it fails.
Aug 02 14:59:36 <Chocky> instead of trying random stuff.
Aug 02 14:59:42 <pjz> btw, if you're tempted to enable sleep mode on the qtopia build... don't
Aug 02 15:00:23 <mmaestri> hi all
Aug 02 15:00:31 <Chocky> mmmmmaestri
Aug 02 15:00:59 <vpv> Chocky: ok, I'll remove all /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts stuff I added and try the manual way
Aug 02 15:02:24 <mmaestri> Chocky: still using fso? 
Aug 02 15:02:44 <Chocky> well, I haven't touched the phone since.
Aug 02 15:02:51 <Chocky> so yes :p
Aug 02 15:03:24 <mmaestri> Chocky: i've just reflashed the phone, and that's all i did since...:p
Aug 02 15:03:42 <Chocky> prolly go back to 2007.2 if no more joy
Aug 02 15:05:08 <mmaestri> i like fso...i just need wich repos are safe
Aug 02 15:05:25 <vpv> Chocky: everything works until I do ping 74.125.19.147
Aug 02 15:05:30 <mmaestri> i wanna start trying the framework
Aug 02 15:05:48 <Chocky> likely no repos is going to be 100% safe unless there's some cohesion and some more testing
Aug 02 15:06:10 <Chocky> vpv: what are the IPs of your desktop?
Aug 02 15:06:56 <vpv> Chocky: 85.188.55.xxx
Aug 02 15:07:04 <Chocky> mmaestri: I want to build it :o
Aug 02 15:07:11 <Chocky> vpv: you have a public IP on your desktop machine?
Aug 02 15:07:27 <vpv> Chocky: yes
Aug 02 15:07:44 <Chocky> I see.  
Aug 02 15:07:52 <mmaestri> Chocky: me too :)
Aug 02 15:07:57 <Chocky> pansies
Aug 02 15:07:59 <Chocky> anyway.
Aug 02 15:08:01 <mmaestri> but
Aug 02 15:08:08 <Chocky> the problem is obviously your firewall rules then.
Aug 02 15:08:22 <Chocky> as I think you've guessed, but I wanted to be sure.
Aug 02 15:08:45 <Chocky> iptables -L -t nat -v -n
Aug 02 15:08:46 <torindel> Chocky: why not just build packages yourself or use packages built by someone else?
Aug 02 15:09:04 <Chocky> torindel: I want to do some development.
Aug 02 15:09:10 <Chocky> isn't that an obvious reason?
Aug 02 15:09:30 <jopk> hi
Aug 02 15:09:34 <mmaestri> torindel: we're talking about it :p
Aug 02 15:09:45 <vpv> Chocky: http://dpaste.com/69001/
Aug 02 15:10:37 <Chocky> vpv: looks ok.  your machine is not passing packets for some reason.
Aug 02 15:10:46 <Chocky> can you ping your desktop's gateway IP from the FR?
Aug 02 15:11:44 <vpv> Chocky: it seems I can't
Aug 02 15:12:09 <Chocky> ok, what does:  iptables -L -t filter -v -n  say?
Aug 02 15:12:12 <vpv> I can't just turn off iptables completely, because then NAT wouldn't work either, or can I?
Aug 02 15:13:08 <vpv> Chocky: http://dpaste.com/69002/
Aug 02 15:13:10 <Chocky> you can
Aug 02 15:13:36 <Chocky> and you sys the sysctl thing, right?
Aug 02 15:13:44 <vpv> yes
Aug 02 15:13:58 <Chocky> eught. that's lots of fun stuff
Aug 02 15:14:09 <Chocky> ah, I see
Aug 02 15:14:18 <Chocky> the FORWARD chain.
Aug 02 15:14:39 <Chocky> iptables -t filter -F FORWARD
Aug 02 15:14:57 <Chocky> that'll flush it, and try again.
Aug 02 15:15:48 <vpv> Chocky: it works! thanks!
Aug 02 15:15:58 <Chocky> this is which Fedora?
Aug 02 15:16:19 <vpv> Chocky: Fedora 9
Aug 02 15:16:22 <Chocky> I see.
Aug 02 15:16:30 * Chocky enWikis
Aug 02 15:16:47 <vpv> I've used system-config-firewall on it, which probably did set the forward chain filtering?
Aug 02 15:16:56 <Chocky> guess so.
Aug 02 15:18:02 <Chocky> <- network master.
Aug 02 15:18:34 <vpv> but I still don't have dns on the neo, so I can only use ip addresses directly, even with the nameserver 192.168.0.200
Aug 02 15:18:37 <vpv> setting
Aug 02 15:18:39 <Chocky> your main problem is Fedora, IMNSHO ;0
Aug 02 15:18:51 <Chocky> then read the rest of the page :p
Aug 02 15:19:16 <mmaestri> don't wanna start the daily distro flamewar, but fedora sux :p 
Aug 02 15:19:24 <Chocky> mmaestri: yessir.
Aug 02 15:19:33 <leinir> Randomly - i would like to add myself to the "InvisibleSHIELD is good stuff and really easy to install" group ;)
Aug 02 15:20:08 <vpv> Chocky: I'll need to leave now, but thanks for the advice, I'll try to tinker with it a bit more later
Aug 02 15:21:18 <mmaestri> when building FSO with mokomakefile, there are some vars we should change, right?
Aug 02 15:21:23 <cozub> how does neo handle DHCP? I don't see any dhclient or dhcpcd or any package installed which contains "dhcp"
Aug 02 15:21:26 <mmaestri> or it's just one?
Aug 02 15:22:27 <lindi-> cozub: udh<TAB>
Aug 02 15:22:44 <mmaestri> starts with an <u>
Aug 02 15:23:09 <lindi-> cozub: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
Aug 02 15:23:17 <lindi-> cozub: links to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN
Aug 02 15:23:31 <lindi-> cozub: that says 'udhcpc eth0'
Aug 02 15:23:38 <TAsn> leinir, did you install it under the front panel or not?
Aug 02 15:24:11 <cozub> lindi-: thanks
Aug 02 15:24:14 <leinir> TAsn: Well, it fits inside the panel :)
Aug 02 15:24:27 <TAsn> i.e too small?
Aug 02 15:24:55 <leinir> Nope, just very precisely cut :)
Aug 02 15:25:07 <TAsn> leinir, won't the sides fill with dust?
Aug 02 15:25:07 <torindel> mmaestri: doing non mokomakefile fso build now
Aug 02 15:25:38 <TAsn> i think maybe in this case, bigger is better :)
Aug 02 15:25:54 <SpeedEvil> I like the 'remove case' option
Aug 02 15:27:00 <mmaestri> torindel: how's that
Aug 02 15:27:15 <viciouslime> just got the stock qtopia image from qtopia.net running and wow! Wifi doesn't seem to work though... is this a known issue, or am I just doing something wrong?
Aug 02 15:28:04 <leinir> TAsn: i don't know yet, we'll see :)
Aug 02 15:28:06 <torindel> mmaestri: directly with bitbake
Aug 02 15:28:10 <leinir> i only installed it yesterday:)
Aug 02 15:28:18 <lindi-> viciouslime: bugs.openmoko.org search for qtopia wifi finds nothing
Aug 02 15:28:21 <lindi-> viciouslime: please report
Aug 02 15:29:16 <viciouslime> lindi-: i'm not certain it is a bug yet, i've only just got it up and running I just wondered if anyone else had used it and found it either does/doesn't work
Aug 02 15:30:26 <lindi-> viciouslime: it probably is if it doesn't work with simple "iwconfig eth0 essid $ESSID; udhcpc eth0"?
Aug 02 15:32:26 <SpeedEvil> I've found that some cards are oddly sensitive to order stuff is done in
Aug 02 15:32:38 <SpeedEvil> repeating all the iwconfig lines a couple of times works
Aug 02 15:34:09 <Quai> I have seen the same thing with my fr
Aug 02 15:34:27 <SpeedEvil> s/cards/drivers/
Aug 02 15:35:22 <viciouslime> thanks guys i'll try that out now
Aug 02 15:35:23 <Quai> every now and then I have to run my whome.sh and wwork.sh multiple times 
Aug 02 15:35:26 * Chocky still needs to apply his networking skillz to the WiFi stuff
Aug 02 15:35:45 <Chocky> that's a big mess, like 95% of the wiki
Aug 02 15:41:52 <lindi-> cozub: what more would it need than those two commands?
Aug 02 15:43:24 <cozub> lindi-: ?
Aug 02 15:43:36 <lindi-> Chocky: sorry, meant you
Aug 02 15:43:40 <lindi-> cozub: nothing :P
Aug 02 15:43:41 <cozub> ok :)
Aug 02 15:44:56 <cozub> maybe off-topic... but where does the PC-side usb net (usb0) MAC address come from?
Aug 02 15:45:21 <cozub> I'm playing with dnsmasq, trying to make it give neo an ip + name I want
Aug 02 15:45:25 <linuxxr> my phone finally works great
Aug 02 15:45:34 <SpeedEvil> cozub: rand()
Aug 02 15:45:46 <cozub> SpeedEvil: exactly what I didn't want to hear :) thx
Aug 02 15:46:13 <offtoppic> sorry i shut up
Aug 02 15:46:13 <SpeedEvil> cozub: some patch to make it read the IMSI, and use a MAC based on a hash of that would be nice.
Aug 02 15:46:32 <cozub> IMSI?
Aug 02 15:46:54 <SpeedEvil> The mobile phone ID number.
Aug 02 15:46:58 <SpeedEvil> And I mean IMEI.
Aug 02 15:47:05 <cozub> aha :)
Aug 02 15:47:15 <offtoppic> i modified the wiki
Aug 02 15:47:20 <SpeedEvil> Ther number printed under the battery
Aug 02 15:47:27 <offtoppic>   maybe thats the pproblem
Aug 02 15:47:31 * mjr has suggested before the use of the bluetooth mac address, or if you want to be paranoid, the private use -bit flipped version thereof
Aug 02 15:47:50 <SpeedEvil> bluetooth MAC'd work too.
Aug 02 15:48:16 <johngay> Isn't a random MAC address rather dangerous???
Aug 02 15:48:28 <mjr> (_shouldn't_ be a problem reusing the mac as such, but the trivial transformation would remove all concerns)
Aug 02 15:49:35 <mjr> johngay, not really as long as you make it a valid unicast locally administered mac
Aug 02 15:49:52 <mjr> that is, 2 of the bits must not be random :]
Aug 02 15:50:25 <johngay> O.K. I thought the MAC address had to be unique in the entire universe or the entire Internet would implode (-=
Aug 02 15:50:42 <mjr> no no, they're just important to be unique in a LAN
Aug 02 15:50:48 <SpeedEvil> bluetooth MAC is unique, as should wifi be.
Aug 02 15:50:52 <SpeedEvil> and IMEI
Aug 02 15:50:56 <mjr> and yeah, those are unique
Aug 02 15:51:55 <SpeedEvil> I think that's all the serialed things in the phone fixed.
Aug 02 15:52:12 <SpeedEvil> The SIM too, but that can be removed, and the microSD number too
Aug 02 15:52:38 <offtoppic> what would be a good car charger for the freerunner
Aug 02 15:52:40 <mjr> and as said, you could easily derive a different-but-unique-among-neos locally administered mac from the bluetooth mac (or the wifi one, but gta01 doesn't have that) by simply bit-flipping the second least significant bit of the first octet of the mac
Aug 02 15:52:47 <johngay> I used to question when we threw out MAC labels that had mis-printed and was told they were just lost.
Aug 02 15:53:03 <offtoppic> any usb charder would work?
Aug 02 15:53:15 <SpeedEvil> offtoppic: yes
Aug 02 15:53:19 <offtoppic> charger?
Aug 02 15:53:23 <jadams> hey all
Aug 02 15:53:38 <all> hey jadams
Aug 02 15:53:39 <jadams> does anyone's FSO2-driven phone work correcty w/r/t SMS?
Aug 02 15:53:40 <offtoppic> are they pretty much the same?
Aug 02 15:53:51 <jadams> johngay: gay
Aug 02 15:53:53 <jadams> :)
Aug 02 15:53:55 <SpeedEvil> offtoppic: pretty much.
Aug 02 15:53:58 <offtoppic> ok
Aug 02 15:54:32 * johngay likes the cheap, sad jokes best
Aug 02 15:55:22 <dwmcqueen> Anyone here build a recent openmoko image?
Aug 02 15:57:37 <Chocky> heh, no
Aug 02 15:59:14 <CM> dwmcqueen: Which image?
Aug 02 16:00:33 <dwmcqueen> openmoko-devel-image
Aug 02 16:01:05 <CM> built it about 1h ago
Aug 02 16:01:15 * Chocky still trying to build FSO
Aug 02 16:01:23 <CM> fso failed on illume for me just now
Aug 02 16:04:29 <dwmcqueen> Hello - I am trying to build an openmoko image but get an error :  make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'.  Stop.
Aug 02 16:04:37 <dwmcqueen> Sorry - that is the error I got
Aug 02 16:04:43 <dwmcqueen> Looks like it occurs on the task for package linux-hackndev-2.6-2.6.21-hnd3-r14
Aug 02 16:06:20 <baird> I just got a successful boot from a mokomakefile-built image that took my PIII/800 about a week to compile... 
Aug 02 16:06:38 <Chocky> and now it's a week outta date
Aug 02 16:06:46 <dwmcqueen> I'm trying to get this on my palmtx...looks like easy error but just not sure how ot handle
Aug 02 16:07:13 <mmaestri> Chocky: using mokomakefile, or bitbake?
Aug 02 16:07:22 <Chocky> mofomokomakefile.
Aug 02 16:07:30 <Chocky> it may not help that I'm using amd64
Aug 02 16:07:37 <Chocky> there's no psyco
Aug 02 16:07:48 <Chocky> should try with 32-bit chroot
Aug 02 16:10:35 <mmaestri> well i've just started fso-image
Aug 02 16:10:45 <mmaestri> let's see what happens
Aug 02 16:11:46 <ecraven> has anyone here tried matchbox-stroke?
Aug 02 16:12:56 <mmaestri> mmm
Aug 02 16:13:10 <lindi-> mickey_away: sorry to bother you but have you got time for the neod accelometer issue? my freerunner is producing lots of heat :)
Aug 02 16:14:22 <mmaestri> am i doing something wrong...? is it right that it spits lines saying "trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/blah_blah" when building a fso-image?
Aug 02 16:14:46 <lindi-> mickey_away: looks like svn checkout? can you check process list?
Aug 02 16:14:55 <lindi-> grr, i mean mmaestri 
Aug 02 16:15:50 <mmaestri> i've started it again. now it says "developers", which i assume is right
Aug 02 16:24:55 <Zorkman> hi everyone
Aug 02 16:25:21 <mmaestri> ERROR:  Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. 	Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). 	Following is the list of potential problems / advisories:  	/proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. This will cause problems with qemu so please fix the value (as root).  
Aug 02 16:25:27 <mmaestri> damn it...
Aug 02 16:25:32 <baird> The games need instructions on how to play them.. 
Aug 02 16:26:16 <Zorkman> anyone know where there is a fairly up to date image of the ASU? buildhost still doesn't have one
Aug 02 16:26:30 <mwester> mmaestri:  "echo "0" > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_add"   or disable locale generation in your local.conf file.
Aug 02 16:26:46 <Zorkman> baird: you mean the 2007.2 games?
Aug 02 16:27:03 <baird> Yep.
Aug 02 16:27:30 <Zorkman> baird: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User%27s_Manual/Games
Aug 02 16:29:05 <baird> .../kinda/ helpful :) .. The best option would be to poke at the game code, and to add a "How to Play" to the Help label in the menubar.. 
Aug 02 16:29:08 <mmaestri> mwester: i was just doing that
Aug 02 16:29:24 <baird> ("is that the sound of me volunteering?" :)
Aug 02 16:29:33 <mmaestri> and then it errored with something nastier...
Aug 02 16:29:38 <Zorkman> looks like it baird :p
Aug 02 16:29:53 <torindel> mmaestri: like?
Aug 02 16:30:44 <dwmcqueen> Has anyone come across with oldconfig?
Aug 02 16:30:45 <mmaestri> sorry for that
Aug 02 16:31:01 <mmaestri> http://mibbit.com/pb/5VJZFV 
Aug 02 16:31:02 <dwmcqueen> make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'.  Stop.
Aug 02 16:32:08 <Zorkman> does opkg upgrage 2007.2 image work?
Aug 02 16:32:24 <Zorkman> *upgrade
Aug 02 16:43:31 <mmaestri> NOTE: <type 'exceptions.IndexError'>:list index out of range while evaluating: ${@base_get_metadata_monotone_revision(d)}
Aug 02 16:47:26 <Zorkman> anyone know of a recent ASU rootfs? there is not one on the buildhost
Aug 02 16:47:57 <teprrr> anyone knows any usable kernel/rootfs combo for neo1973 besides the fso one?
Aug 02 16:53:17 <jopk> what does it mean when the red LED is on?
Aug 02 16:53:57 <mmaestri> it means it's about to explode! run for your life! :p
Aug 02 16:54:03 <Fossi> damn
Aug 02 16:54:06 <grind_> haha!
Aug 02 16:54:09 <Fossi> beat me to it :(
Aug 02 16:54:38 <Zorkman> GPS has detected that you're entering the red light district?
Aug 02 16:55:08 <Zorkman> I think it was supposed to inform you the battery was charging, but I've never seen it working reliable
Aug 02 16:55:28 <jopk> the battery wasn't charging
Aug 02 16:55:41 <Zorkman> kernel panic is flashing red I think
Aug 02 16:56:11 <jopk> so what does it mean? -.-
Aug 02 16:56:23 <jopk> can I ignore it?
Aug 02 16:57:03 <Zorkman> only if you don't look at it...
Aug 02 16:57:25 <Fossi> jopk: you can actually also turn it off ;)
Aug 02 16:57:34 <lindi-> jopk: my freerunner only has orange and blue leds
Aug 02 16:57:39 <lindi-> at least under /sys
Aug 02 16:57:52 <Fossi> cat "0" > /sys/devices/something/brightness 
Aug 02 16:57:57 <lindi-> echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power\:orange/brightness
Aug 02 16:58:02 <lindi-> not cat
Aug 02 16:58:06 <Fossi> ups
Aug 02 16:58:11 <mmaestri> perhaps you're daltonic, and that led is not red
Aug 02 16:58:12 <Fossi> right
Aug 02 16:58:31 <Fossi> lindi-: the blue and orange are at the power button
Aug 02 16:58:36 <lindi-> Fossi: yep
Aug 02 16:58:40 <Fossi> the red one is behind the aux
Aug 02 16:58:48 <lindi-> Fossi: but /sys does not mention it
Aug 02 16:58:56 <Fossi> i've been able to control it some time ago
Aug 02 16:59:00 <jopk> hey, nice now I have a black mouse pointer on the screen
Aug 02 16:59:01 <lindi-> oh, it does
Aug 02 16:59:08 <Fossi> don't know about now, i'm updating :)
Aug 02 16:59:12 <lindi-> Fossi: echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-aux:red/brightness
Aug 02 16:59:44 <Fossi> i like that you can control the vibration so easily as well
Aug 02 16:59:56 * Fossi <3 moko
Aug 02 17:00:12 <Fossi> wait, that might've come across a little weird
Aug 02 17:01:14 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 02 17:01:15 <lindi-> echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness doesn't seem to do anything
Aug 02 17:01:34 <Fossi> echo 64 or such
Aug 02 17:01:42 <Fossi> or cat to see what values there are
Aug 02 17:01:47 <lindi-> still nothing
Aug 02 17:01:53 <lindi-> cat reads 0
Aug 02 17:02:09 <ecraven> do 100
Aug 02 17:02:17 <lindi-> works
Aug 02 17:02:21 <ecraven> i know, i tried ;)
Aug 02 17:02:32 <ecraven> i'd like more values though, to do a helicopter!
Aug 02 17:02:50 <Zorkman> goddman even 207.2. brakes after an opkg upgrade
Aug 02 17:03:09 <mmaestri> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'fso-image' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it)
Aug 02 17:03:13 <mmaestri> damn it...
Aug 02 17:03:30 <mmaestri> is that hard to make mokomakefile run?
Aug 02 17:03:31 <Zorkman> Startin aduio server: W: main.c: This program is not inteded to be run as root (unless --system is speficied).
Aug 02 17:03:47 <Zorkman> it's stuk on Startin Xserver
Aug 02 17:03:49 <cozub> hm, what terminal would you recommend? I tried mrxvt, vte and openmoko-terminal2
Aug 02 17:03:58 <zash> xterm!
Aug 02 17:04:06 <cozub> :)
Aug 02 17:04:28 <cozub> vte looks nice, but the default font is huge... the same with openmoko-terminal
Aug 02 17:04:37 <ecraven> cozub: urxvt
Aug 02 17:05:09 <cozub> didn't know it's packaged :) I'm using urxvt on my pc
Aug 02 17:06:06 <ecraven> oh, maybe it isn't, i'm using debian, it works perfectly there
Aug 02 17:07:08 <Zorkman> hi ecraven
Aug 02 17:07:25 <ecraven> hey Zorkman ;)
Aug 02 17:07:27 <Zorkman> did you update navit? it upgraded to a new version
Aug 02 17:07:39 <ecraven> i compiled the svn version, works well
Aug 02 17:07:49 <mmaestri> let's say i wanna  build a fso image with mokomakefile...
Aug 02 17:07:55 <ecraven> though i only tried for a few minutes, and it's rather slow :(
Aug 02 17:08:48 <mmaestri> following the wiki steps, it spits errors like "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'fso-image' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it)"
Aug 02 17:10:46 <torindel> mmaestri: last failed package before you updated makefile? -__-;
Aug 02 17:11:10 <mmaestri> none...
Aug 02 17:11:58 <mmaestri> http://mibbit.com/pb/QXCDwg 
Aug 02 17:12:06 <mmaestri> that's the output
Aug 02 17:12:29 <CM> mmaestri: Sounds like you're not using the git repo
Aug 02 17:13:26 <mmaestri> in Makefile: OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openembedded.dev 
Aug 02 17:13:50 <CM> Hmm, I have OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev
Aug 02 17:14:04 <mmaestri> i'm trying to build fso-image
Aug 02 17:14:16 <CM> But I think someone said that was just a mirror anyway
Aug 02 17:14:18 <mmaestri> in the wiki it say that you have to change that
Aug 02 17:14:25 <CM> I am to, and it fails on illume
Aug 02 17:14:27 <torindel> mmaestri: you did update-makefile
Aug 02 17:14:32 <mmaestri> yes
Aug 02 17:14:44 <torindel> and it changed your OM_GIT_BRANCH
Aug 02 17:15:18 <mmaestri> i think... i did make update-makefile && make setup && make update 
Aug 02 17:15:43 <mmaestri> and then make setup-machine-freerunner
Aug 02 17:16:12 <mmaestri> and before make fso-image i modified OM_GIT_BRANCH
Aug 02 17:17:20 <torindel> modify OM_GIT_BRANCH before make setup
Aug 02 17:17:49 <mmaestri> ok
Aug 02 17:17:58 <mmaestri> should i clean something?
Aug 02 17:20:04 <mmaestri> let's see: make setup && make setup-machine-freerunner && make fso-image is ok?
Aug 02 17:21:49 <torindel> yep
Aug 02 17:23:00 <mmaestri> torindel: now it's working. thx
Aug 02 17:25:38 <torindel> mmaestri: out of curiosity whats your bb task number now? (NOTE: Running task xxx of xxx)
Aug 02 17:27:12 <Fossi> can somebody tell me why opkg update tries to install gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk when gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk is installed?
Aug 02 17:39:32 <Zorkman> is today's uboot bugged?
Aug 02 17:39:36 <Zorkman> can't get usb to run...
Aug 02 17:40:11 <torindel> Zorkman: power off moko, disconnect cable, power on moko, set usb console, connect cable, connect from pc
Aug 02 17:40:44 <Zorkman> what do you mean with "set usb console"?
Aug 02 17:41:45 <torindel> (skip that if you dont want to connect to uboot usb console)
Aug 02 17:42:06 <clare> if you mean "can't ssh in", I cant either
Aug 02 17:42:17 <mmontour> Zorkman: there is a problem with USB in the current u-boot. It's random, so try powering off and re-starting the device.
Aug 02 17:42:38 <Zorkman> I'm on it
Aug 02 17:42:59 <torindel> mmontour: wouldnt call it random in ocurs most of the time if you power on moko with connected usb cable
Aug 02 17:43:30 <Zorkman> I'm in now
Aug 02 17:43:48 <mmontour> Andy's messages said about 50% probability.
Aug 02 17:43:50 <Zorkman> I did as torindel said: disconnected the usb cabel and connected after it booted
Aug 02 17:44:00 * CM gives up on building illume for today
Aug 02 17:44:25 <teprrr> hmm, has http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz moved to somewhere else or has it been removed completely? merged to om-gta01?
Aug 02 18:11:48 <lindi-> aaronw: you have openmoko too? (I'm the one with the extreme networks issue if you remember :P)
Aug 02 18:13:16 <Chocky> hm, running with python-pscyo is much better idea
Aug 02 18:13:24 <Chocky> which means don't use amd64
Aug 02 18:13:50 <baird> A flashing red/aux LED signifies a kernel panic, apparently, but what's a constantly-on red LED?
Aug 02 18:14:09 <Chocky> police car
Aug 02 18:14:19 <SpeedEvil> It's on fire.
Aug 02 18:14:42 <aaronw> hey lindi-, I didn't realize that was you!
Aug 02 18:14:58 <mmaestri> baird: zombie detector
Aug 02 18:15:22 * baird notes everyone made these jokes before... -_-
Aug 02 18:15:25 <Chocky> voltage in the LED
Aug 02 18:16:09 <mmaestri> Chocky: still building fso?
Aug 02 18:16:13 <aaronw> lindi-: yeah, bkuhn bought one for the office.  i was the only one willing to put up with it
Aug 02 18:16:19 <Chocky> retry with i386 chroot
Aug 02 18:16:49 <McKael> I have a red LED when I fast-charge today
Aug 02 18:17:09 <McKael> which stays on when I unplug the cable, btw...
Aug 02 18:17:15 <Chocky> ftw!
Aug 02 18:18:11 <baird> I noticed it on while on the computer's USB port (USB networking wasn't happening, though). I haven't seen it on while connected to the 1000mA recharger.
Aug 02 18:18:42 <McKael> baird: I had it with my car charger too
Aug 02 18:18:55 <lindi-> aaronw: cool. i got my phone just two days ago and i'm currently reading the mailing list archives for the last four months or so
Aug 02 18:19:04 <baird> The battery should already be fully-charged, too.
Aug 02 18:19:34 <aaronw> lindi-: i should be doing that too, but instead i'm going around annoying people on IRC
Aug 02 18:20:35 <lindi-> aaronw: you'll miss all the cool ideas like "how to use external cd burner" or "how to design touchscreen gestures for entering common lisp programs"
Aug 02 18:21:49 <aaronw> lindi-, haha, god forbid
Aug 02 18:46:32 <mmaestri> anyone checked http://www.pyneo.org/ recently?
Aug 02 18:46:41 <mmaestri> it changed the main page
Aug 02 18:46:55 <mmaestri> now there are some things to check
Aug 02 18:48:00 <CM> mmaestri: Is that the underground images?
Aug 02 18:48:30 <fgau> mmaestri: the underground is near by you ;)
Aug 02 18:49:38 <fgau> mmaestri: the main app is old, but try it
Aug 02 18:51:06 <mmaestri> fgau: are you working on it?
Aug 02 18:52:00 <fgau> mmaestri: yes, but only as a tester
Aug 02 18:52:17 <mmaestri> how does it look so far?
Aug 02 18:52:34 <fgau> pls. also check this: http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Zad
Aug 02 18:53:09 <CM> fgau: I tried it not long ago, looks quite nice. :)
Aug 02 18:53:31 <CM> mmaestri: You can build it with the makefile
Aug 02 18:54:05 <mmaestri> i'll try it, thx
Aug 02 18:54:28 <fgau> CM: yes, i nice new philosophy
Aug 02 18:55:05 <fgau> -i +a
Aug 02 18:55:28 <CM> I'll try a new build right now
Aug 02 18:55:34 <CM> Can't get fso to build anyway
Aug 02 18:56:55 <fgau> there a no new updates on underground/pyneo, pls. check after 15. august
Aug 02 18:58:19 <CM> Ok
Aug 02 19:13:28 <Andre613> hey there, trying to install openmoko-agpsui from the daily build rep, but it seems that it's been removed... what gives?
Aug 02 19:34:07 <lindi-> Andre613: buildhost.openmoko.org seems to have issues indeed
Aug 02 19:58:27 <jtickle> what happened to python-pygtk?
Aug 02 19:59:44 <xeros> rooly: so, where's the video of this 3D engine on FR?
Aug 02 20:03:45 <trix> http://www.moddb.com/mods/freerunner/videos
Aug 02 20:04:12 <trix> err
Aug 02 20:04:13 <trix> haha
Aug 02 20:04:22 <trix> i was looking for a video xeros. my bad.
Aug 02 20:10:42 * thewtex ready to try to apply his full body invisible shield
Aug 02 20:10:50 <thewtex> any tips?
Aug 02 20:11:12 <malik1972> you got one?
Aug 02 20:11:24 <thewtex> yeah, just came in the mail
Aug 02 20:11:45 <malik1972> i also ordered one
Aug 02 20:12:06 <malik1972> i guess it will take some time to ship to europe
Aug 02 20:12:08 <Chocky> muh.
Aug 02 20:12:19 <xeros> trix: np., I've found that, too (by googling) and I've found rooly's blog but imho video recorded remotely from forwarded x11 over ssh over wifi is not a good idea, so I'm looking forward for next achievements in this project
Aug 02 20:12:20 <thewtex> took a long time to ship to the us
Aug 02 20:12:39 <Chocky> inivisible shipment
Aug 02 20:12:40 <malik1972> thewtex: how long?
Aug 02 20:13:02 <thewtex> a couple weeks
Aug 02 20:13:08 <malik1972> what?
Aug 02 20:13:17 <thewtex> i think
Aug 02 20:13:22 <thewtex> maybe i'm impatient
Aug 02 20:13:23 <thewtex> :P
Aug 02 20:13:42 <malik1972> thats a lot for shipping to us:-)
Aug 02 20:14:13 <malik1972> try it thewtex
Aug 02 20:14:23 <malik1972> and take some photos
Aug 02 20:15:15 <malik1972> read the faq for some tips
Aug 02 20:15:31 <Chocky> hm.
Aug 02 20:15:35 <Chocky> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Screen-Protector-OPenmoko-Neo1973_W0QQitemZ110237137197QQihZ001QQcategoryZ20336QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
Aug 02 20:15:38 <Chocky> that's East Coast
Aug 02 20:15:48 <thewtex> malik1972: will try taking some pics
Aug 02 20:15:58 <thewtex> the IV is a bit expensive
Aug 02 20:16:01 <thewtex> IS
Aug 02 20:17:29 <leinir> InvisibleSHIELD shipped to Denmark in around three days
Aug 02 20:17:41 <malik1972> what?
Aug 02 20:18:01 <leinir> (for comparison :) )
Aug 02 20:18:20 <malik1972> leinir: any experiences, is the shield invisable?
Aug 02 20:18:52 <malik1972> leinir: did you choose a special shipment?
Aug 02 20:18:55 <leinir> Not really invisible, it makes the surface kind of glassy (but rubbery to the touch)
Aug 02 20:19:07 <leinir> The free shipping option, 6-9 days supposedly :)
Aug 02 20:19:14 <malik1972> hmm
Aug 02 20:19:17 <malik1972> i also
Aug 02 20:19:23 <leinir> Personally i like the look and feel of it :)
Aug 02 20:19:32 <malik1972> what company shipped it
Aug 02 20:19:45 <malik1972> which
Aug 02 20:19:47 <almien> anyone know about creating .desktop files for python GUI applications?  I've put the .py file in Exec=, but it doesn't launch
Aug 02 20:21:58 <malik1972> leinir: was it difficult to apply it?
Aug 02 20:22:16 <leinir> Nope, i was done in a couple of minutes :)
Aug 02 20:22:27 <mmaestri1> almien: tried "Exec=python <app>.py"?
Aug 02 20:22:36 <leinir> Just follow the instructions (read them through first), it'll go on nice and easy :)
Aug 02 20:22:39 <leinir> No rushing :)
Aug 02 20:22:47 <almien> mmaestri1: yes, tried that too
Aug 02 20:22:58 <almien> do you/can you set the working directory to start in?
Aug 02 20:22:59 <malik1972> leinir: i wonder if the shipping company will leave me a message if i am not at home ...
Aug 02 20:23:02 <leinir> It was shipped through normal mail :)
Aug 02 20:23:13 <leinir> It's shipped as a normal letter, so it'll just land in your mailbox :)
Aug 02 20:23:15 <malik1972> okay
Aug 02 20:23:21 <malik1972> thats good
Aug 02 20:24:10 <malik1972> and the bottle?
Aug 02 20:24:14 <mmaestri1> almien: I guess that you can put Exec='python /path/to/app.py'
Aug 02 20:24:41 <leinir> It's a tiny spray-bottle, there's WAY too much liquid :)
Aug 02 20:24:45 <leinir> So you're quite safe ;)
Aug 02 20:25:02 <malik1972> okay, i hope it will arrive soon
Aug 02 20:25:02 <almien> mmaestri1: that's what I have. The app is located in a subdirectory under /home/root, so I have "Exec=python /home/root/app/app.py"
Aug 02 20:25:13 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * r4578 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/opkg-build: 
Aug 02 20:25:13 <CIA-46> openmoko: [opkg-build] Add -O to the getopt list to make it a valid option
Aug 02 20:25:13 <CIA-46> openmoko:  - -O is now a honored option.
Aug 02 20:26:05 <mmaestri1> is your app chmoded 755 or something?
Aug 02 20:26:09 <almien> the "starting application" animation (the white rotating circle at top of OpenMoko's applications menu) appears for a while but application doesn't launch 
Aug 02 20:26:46 <almien>  -rwxr-xr-x
Aug 02 20:27:13 <mmaestri1> so if you try to exec it from a xterm, does it launch?
Aug 02 20:27:32 <mmaestri1> have you checked the output?
Aug 02 20:28:05 <almien> where would I see output?
Aug 02 20:28:05 * bkruse looks for OE help
Aug 02 20:28:30 <XorA|gone> bkruse: whats upo?
Aug 02 20:28:31 <almien> I can launch it from a terminal on the phone (but not from a terminal while SSH in of course, since it can't find a display to run on)
Aug 02 20:28:46 <XorA|gone> bkruse: I got 10 mins or so
Aug 02 20:28:57 <bkruse> I have a package (iaxclient) that needs like 5 libraries, and I have them all building correctly
Aug 02 20:29:08 <bkruse> However, I need to make a bitbake (bb) recipe for this
Aug 02 20:29:17 <bkruse> (I think?)
Aug 02 20:29:21 <XorA|gone> yes
Aug 02 20:29:22 <mmaestri1> when you launch it from a terminal, it might spit something on it
Aug 02 20:29:36 <wolfgang_spraul> XorA|gone: ahh, helping bkruse already, great!
Aug 02 20:29:36 <XorA|gone> bkruse: are they autoconfed?
Aug 02 20:29:39 <bkruse> wolfgang_spraul: !
Aug 02 20:29:49 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Yes, they are. 
Aug 02 20:30:03 <XorA|gone> bkruse: then recipe is probably really simple then
Aug 02 20:30:11 <wolfgang_spraul> bkruse: XorA|gone is our OE mastermind :-)
Aug 02 20:30:20 <bkruse> wolfgang_spraul: Yay, thanks wolfgang :]
Aug 02 20:30:22 <XorA|gone> try SRC_URI = "http://blah.com/blah.tgz"
Aug 02 20:30:24 <almien> it runs fine so long as pwd is its own directory
Aug 02 20:30:32 <XorA|gone> inherit autotools
Aug 02 20:30:38 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Ok, I was using a thing to check it out of SVN, but it would always checkout revision one
Aug 02 20:30:53 <bkruse> XorA|gone: I was using om-conf and om-make-ipkg to get something to give to people.
Aug 02 20:30:58 <almien> running it with some other directory as pwd just says it can't find any of the files it needs
Aug 02 20:31:02 <XorA|gone> bkruse: set in local.conf SRC_REV_pn-recipe-name = "${AUTOREV}"
Aug 02 20:31:21 <XorA|gone> SRCREV_pn-recipe-name =
Aug 02 20:31:23 <mmaestri1> what happens when you run it from /? does it says something wrong?
Aug 02 20:31:36 <XorA|gone> bkruse: that will tell bitbake to fetch the latest
Aug 02 20:31:45 <bkruse> oh!
Aug 02 20:31:51 <XorA|gone> bkruse: or you can use an actuall rev instead of ${AUTOREV}
Aug 02 20:32:04 <bkruse> Because my end goal is: be able to make a chance in the iaxclient source, then put it on my phone, that's it (and something people at OM can use)
Aug 02 20:32:13 <almien> yes it needs to start in the right directory, otherwise various bits of the application fail
Aug 02 20:32:14 <XorA|gone> bkruse: note the pn- its part of the magic
Aug 02 20:32:17 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Right, but ${AUTOREV} will fetch HEAD?
Aug 02 20:32:26 <XorA|gone> bkruse: yes, AUTOREV is HEAD
Aug 02 20:32:46 <bkruse> XorA|gone: perfect, let me show you my bb file now
Aug 02 20:32:57 <XorA|gone> bkruse: cool
Aug 02 20:33:11 <bkruse> (that goes in local.conf right?) what about all the other depending libraries (portaudio, speex, speexdsp, glib, like 6 other ones)
Aug 02 20:33:21 <mmaestri1> almien: i believe "Exec=" works as a shell, so you can try cd to your pwd and then launch your app
Aug 02 20:33:31 <vpv> is there no daily ASU builds currently? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080801/ has none and there are no more july images around...
Aug 02 20:33:34 <bkruse> XorA|gone: http://mokoiax.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/trunk/bitbake/mokoiax-0.1.bb
Aug 02 20:33:35 <XorA|gone> bkruse: dont we already have recipes for all those?
Aug 02 20:34:00 <XorA|gone> bkruse: we cant accept GPL recipes into OE
Aug 02 20:34:09 <mmaestri1> or check references to pwd inside the .py file and modify those
Aug 02 20:34:11 <bkruse> XorA|gone: What license? I can change it, it's no problem
Aug 02 20:34:29 <bkruse> XorA|gone: We may, I am not sure. My question is, if we do, is that all I need to do is iaxclient? I am really worried about building it myself, I had to compile those libraries myself because I am not sure what to build against, you know?
Aug 02 20:34:41 <XorA|gone> bkruse: we used modified BSD I think, its in the root of OE
Aug 02 20:35:12 <bkruse> XorA|gone: That is no problem, I am just confused about what to build against, (eg export SPEEX_LIBS=-L ???) heh
Aug 02 20:35:17 <bkruse> XorA|gone: What can I change about that BB file?
Aug 02 20:35:30 <XorA|gone> bkruse: if its already in OE, then you just need to do DEPENDS = "glib-2 speex portaudio"
Aug 02 20:35:43 <XorA|gone> bkruse: and bitbake will make sure library is built before you need it
Aug 02 20:35:46 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Ok, and how can I easily check that?
Aug 02 20:35:50 <bkruse> That is very cool!
Aug 02 20:35:55 <almien> mmaestri1: you mean just cd to the app's directory and run the app?  we already know that works
Aug 02 20:35:56 <XorA|gone> bkruse: ls packages/
Aug 02 20:35:57 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Thank you so much for the help, btw
Aug 02 20:36:03 <XorA|gone> bkruse: glib-2 is definately there
Aug 02 20:36:23 * XorA|gone doesnt have build machine turned on right now
Aug 02 20:36:25 <bkruse> XorA|gone: I see, that helps a TON, I really thank you XorA|gone
Aug 02 20:36:29 <bkruse> XorA|gone: No problem, it is
Aug 02 20:36:42 <bkruse> XorA|gone: What should I change in that bitbake file to make it not suck?
Aug 02 20:36:45 <bkruse> (besides the license)
Aug 02 20:36:51 <mmaestri1> i mean doing it on the Exec line
Aug 02 20:36:54 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * r8806bbce1296 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/ (qmodemsmsreader.cpp qmodemsmsreader.h): [ti calypso] Retry +CMGL until it succeeds
Aug 02 20:36:56 <XorA|gone> bkruse: btw, your recipe is call _0.1 but you set PV = "1.0"
Aug 02 20:36:56 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * r17df6c95506b 10/src/server/phone/telephony/ringcontrol/ringcontrol.cpp: [ringtone] Do not recreate the QSoundControl if it is not needed
Aug 02 20:36:56 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * rd26288299011 10/src/plugins/mediaengines/gstreamer/gstreamerplaybinsession.cpp: [gstreamer] Fix the refcounting of the bus
Aug 02 20:36:56 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * r13cef6098406 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [predictivekeyboard] Never animate the AcceptWindow on X11
Aug 02 20:36:59 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke * r369f44feb7be 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/keyboard.cpp: [predictivekeyoard] Make the whole AcceptWindow optional and do not use it on X11
Aug 02 20:37:07 <XorA|gone> bkruse: ${PV} is read from the filename, you dont need to set it
Aug 02 20:37:14 <trix> xeros, yeah just saw that video and leaves much to be desired..wireless ssh..why?! lol
Aug 02 20:37:18 <XorA|gone> bkruse: unless your file is something like _svn.bb
Aug 02 20:37:30 <bkruse> ok,
Aug 02 20:37:39 <mmaestri1> something like Exec='cd /path/to/app; python app.py'
Aug 02 20:38:01 <mmaestri1> or Exec='cd /path/to/app; app.py' if it's executable
Aug 02 20:38:07 <XorA|gone> bkruse: make sure you read http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Styleguide
Aug 02 20:38:22 <mmaestri1> or make a script that cd to the pwd
Aug 02 20:38:24 <XorA|gone> bkruse: and there is contrib/oe-styleize.py to correct style problems in .bb files
Aug 02 20:38:30 <bkruse> XorA|gone: The SRC_URI works, it just checks out revision 1, which should be fixed now that I added that to my local.conf, correct?
Aug 02 20:38:36 <mmaestri1> and then Exec=script
Aug 02 20:38:37 <bkruse> XorA|gone: Perfect, you have helped me a ton
Aug 02 20:38:45 <mmaestri1> just guessing...
Aug 02 20:38:51 <XorA|gone> bkruse: yes, it should checkout HEAD
Aug 02 20:39:04 <XorA|gone> bkruse: anyway normally find me here 9-5 GMT on workdays
Aug 02 20:39:15 * bkruse tries to bitbake mokoiax
Aug 02 20:39:22 <bkruse> Ugh, out of date cache :/
Aug 02 20:42:10 <mmaestri1> anyone knows which kernel use with underground rootfs?
Aug 02 20:42:12 <almien> mmaestri1: ok, I have a script with "cd /home/root/app; python app.py", and that script is in Exec, and it's not launching anything
Aug 02 20:42:33 <bkruse> XorA|gone: I really appreciate it. This is getting the VoIP movement....moving. Just you helping me, thank you.
Aug 02 20:42:56 <mmaestri1> i assume that you tried that from a term and it did worked
Aug 02 20:43:42 <almien> yes it works from the terminal
Aug 02 20:44:17 <mmaestri1> ok, let me check a few things
Aug 02 20:46:18 <Wonka> -	iscan disable; pscan enable;
Aug 02 20:46:18 <Wonka> +	iscan enable; pscan enable;
Aug 02 20:46:22 <Wonka> no. do not want.
Aug 02 20:47:09 <xeros> trix, rooly: it looks like there were already some opengl demos working a year ago - http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/
Aug 02 20:47:51 <trix> xeros, oh nice.
Aug 02 20:48:05 <lindi-> hrm, there's way too much information on the mailing lists, it's going to take a week to handle all this :)
Aug 02 20:49:31 <mmaestri1> ok almien, i using fso right now. it has zhone as a desktop icon, and zhone is a python app
Aug 02 20:50:21 <mmaestri1> tried making a link to /usr/bin of your app?
Aug 02 20:52:44 <almien> just made a link in /usr/bin - again, it works from the terminal but nothing happens when run from desktop entry
Aug 02 20:55:53 <mmaestri1> http://mibbit.com/pb/pVWb0v 
Aug 02 20:56:01 <mmaestri1> almien: check that
Aug 02 20:56:23 <mmaestri1> check if your .desktop file is like it
Aug 02 20:56:37 <mmaestri1> and try changing zhone for your app
Aug 02 20:57:59 <mmaestri1> xeros: i've been watching those videos
Aug 02 20:58:31 <mmaestri1> those where for gta01, right? 
Aug 02 20:59:03 <almien> http://pastebin.com/m617fa5fd
Aug 02 21:01:10 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r667e6f3c4ac5 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dates2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 02 21:01:11 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7982a0de0eab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [pyefl-sudoku] Add Python EFL sudoku.
Aug 02 21:01:11 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re40782018d59 10/packages/openmoko-projects/pyefl-sudoku_svn.bb: [sudoku] Use SRCPV instead of SRCREV in the asu branch
Aug 02 21:01:12 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re6ca59e3c388 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 02 21:01:15 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r83d8dd38f0c0 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 02 21:01:18 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0843da5dc31c 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin] Change the source URI of assassin
Aug 02 21:01:21 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r273f333fd7ea 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 02 21:01:24 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1d043844682e 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Replace minesweep with python-efl sudoku as default game in ASU
Aug 02 21:01:29 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0d418c9fad2d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Bump up the reversion of pyefl-sudoku to 28
Aug 02 21:01:32 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdb10f552742b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 222
Aug 02 21:01:35 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4c53d563825c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59
Aug 02 21:01:40 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc21af90c78f3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4577
Aug 02 21:01:43 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1bf085e451e2 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/racing_condition.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit
Aug 02 21:01:54 <mmaestri1> i mean, i've heard somewhere that the video performance of gta01 is better than gta02 because of the glamo sharing the sd bus
Aug 02 21:03:30 <almien> ok, after rebooting the phone, my desktop entry works
Aug 02 21:05:13 <Kero> how much battery life are ppl getting out of fso2 w/ suspend?
Aug 02 21:06:26 <mmaestri1> almien: perhaps restarting x would make it also
Aug 02 21:06:32 <Kero> erm. never mind. neo just gave me a white screen, while it was *in* suspend.
Aug 02 21:08:01 <Kero>  !! which does not mean it's dead; can still ssh into it and programs are running; just the screen is white. what's going on?
Aug 02 21:08:02 <almien> mmaestri1: I was renaming the desktop entry after editing it each time, because otherwise the application launcher would never notice the changes
Aug 02 21:09:41 <mmaestri1> well, glad it worked. sad it needed a reboot. shouldn't be that way
Aug 02 21:10:13 <almien> thanks for help. looks like it was the /usr/bin link that made it start working
Aug 02 21:11:45 <mmaestri1> you're welcome then
Aug 02 21:11:47 <lindi-> Kero: can you take a screenshot?
Aug 02 21:12:21 <Kero> restarting X, screen still white. funky. and since the SIM in the phone does not seem to work (only SOS services), it might still be something from the network that triggered it out of suspend, but it's unlikely (noone should be calling or texting me on that number-from-different-continent anyway)
Aug 02 21:12:26 <mmaestri1> now...i need some build-master
Aug 02 21:12:33 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbf9c1dc06a66 10/packages/openmoko-projects/pyefl-sudoku_svn.bb: [sudoku] Use SRCPV instead of SRCREV in the asu branch
Aug 02 21:12:33 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rffae6f3838ad 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, two ATD related changes for testing
Aug 02 21:12:34 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3aa3d22a4b33 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [opk] Prepare to switch over to the "opk" fileending
Aug 02 21:12:35 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd20eabd35a73 10/classes/ (package_opk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [opk] First set of function name renaming
Aug 02 21:12:38 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r2c153b27cfc3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [opkg-utils] Add svn version of these tools
Aug 02 21:12:38 <CM> Kero: I've noticed that white screen too
Aug 02 21:12:41 <CM> on latest fso
Aug 02 21:12:41 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r92caa6d19896 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [packaging] Continue with the opk renaming
Aug 02 21:13:03 <Kero> I can start gpe-scap from ssh, but it seems to just sit there...
Aug 02 21:13:06 <mmaestri1> someone who could explain me this: http://mibbit.com/pb/KoZhuh 
Aug 02 21:13:26 <lindi-> Kero: if X restart does not help then it's something more mysterious
Aug 02 21:14:23 <SpeedEvil> Blame glamo.
Aug 02 21:15:40 <Kero> remind me, glamo? it's not a self-explaining name...
Aug 02 21:15:51 <SpeedEvil> The accellerator chip
Aug 02 21:16:04 <ritz> mmaestri1: heya
Aug 02 21:16:04 <Kero> gta01 here
Aug 02 21:16:45 <ritz> i downloaded the package from a mirror site, and added it to sources directory 
Aug 02 21:17:29 <ritz> mmaestri1: http://www.pyyaml.org/ is down, and thus the package cannot be downloaded 
Aug 02 21:17:29 <ajbrun> can someone tell me where i can get all the random package depedancies that various software packages require on the freerunner now that buildhost.openmoko.org is having issues?
Aug 02 21:17:49 <ajbrun> such as  gtk+-fastscaling
Aug 02 21:18:29 <Kero> rebooting the neo...
Aug 02 21:19:11 <mmaestri1> ritz: so if do that, then it will build the image?
Aug 02 21:19:13 <ritz> Kero: a gdb would have helped 
Aug 02 21:19:23 <ritz> mmaestri1:  yes
Aug 02 21:19:43 <mmaestri1> ok...can you give me a mirror link ?
Aug 02 21:19:56 <ritz> i extracted it from http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/PyYAML/3.05/2.fc9/src/ 
Aug 02 21:20:19 <ritz> using " rpm2cpio PyYAML-3.05-2.fc9.src.rpm |cpio -div" 
Aug 02 21:20:27 <ritz> and copied the tarball to sources folder
Aug 02 21:20:34 <ritz> and generated md5sum
Aug 02 21:21:33 <ritz> for md5sum  md5sum  PyYAML-3.05.tar.gz|cut -f1 -d' ' > PyYAML-3.05.tar.gz.md5 
Aug 02 21:21:34 <Kero> ritz: gdb (gnu debugger I assume) of what? and how?
Aug 02 21:22:37 <ritz> it is possible to attach gdb to gpe-scap 
Aug 02 21:22:45 <ritz> and obtain a backtrace
Aug 02 21:23:23 <ritz> i did see this somewhere on openmoko wiki, still learning :(
Aug 02 21:23:49 <ritz> and in process of building fso-image for last 24hrs 
Aug 02 21:24:10 <Kero> ok; I do not even know what gpe-scap is supposed to do; should it capture autonomously or wait for input on the screen? former case, gdb might show something.
Aug 02 21:24:41 <Kero> from where to build fso images anyway?
Aug 02 21:24:42 <ritz> Kero: could be, i have not used gpe-scap.
Aug 02 21:25:10 <ritz> Kero: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile
Aug 02 21:26:00 <Kero> mokomakefile builds fso, too? didn't know that :)
Aug 02 21:26:14 <ritz> it does, and takes a looong time 
Aug 02 21:26:26 <bumbl> ritz: how long on which hardware?
Aug 02 21:26:53 <ritz> bumbl: i am using dual core 2Ghz with 2gig ram 
Aug 02 21:27:09 <ritz> for last 5hrs, and i was not using parallel build 
Aug 02 21:27:50 <ritz> i learnt of  PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 3" and BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "2" a few minutes ago 
Aug 02 21:28:32 <ritz> Kero: you can obtain fso image from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_3
Aug 02 21:29:37 <bumbl> ritz: i have more or less the same hardware
Aug 02 21:29:55 <ritz> how loong did it take for you, if you did build ?
Aug 02 21:29:56 <bumbl> so I am expecting ~3.5h with parallisation
Aug 02 21:30:04 <bumbl> I haven't yet
Aug 02 21:30:17 <ritz> do enable parallel build option 
Aug 02 21:30:30 <mmaestri1> ritz: mine was for about 4hs I guess
Aug 02 21:30:35 <mmaestri1> or less
Aug 02 21:30:44 <ritz> neat
Aug 02 21:30:46 <Kero> I have the fso 2 images. would be nice to build something myself when some small issues are fixed, instead of waiting for milestone 3...
Aug 02 21:32:09 <ritz> is anyone aware of details of - http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/b/bb/OpenmokoFramework08.png ?
Aug 02 21:35:21 <alphaone> ritz: Have a look at http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example for the reference implementation.
Aug 02 21:35:37 <alphaone> or part of it at least since it's not finished yet
Aug 02 21:37:20 <ritz> alphaone: no go :(, is this eds ?
Aug 02 21:37:53 <ritz> i would like to add photo id support
Aug 02 21:38:22 <alphaone> ah well, for pim you need to talk to abraxa_ 
Aug 02 21:38:44 <ritz> thanks :)
Aug 02 21:38:54 <ritz> abraxa_: ping 
Aug 02 21:39:42 <ajbrun> can someone tell me where i can get all the random package depedancies that various software packages require on the freerunner now that buildhost.openmoko.org is having issues?
Aug 02 21:45:39 <almien> anyone know where to find a copy of the gpsd python client library? (mentioned on http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=13 )
Aug 02 21:46:21 <ajbrun> could someone tell me where the opkg config file is, and maybe what i should have in it?
Aug 02 21:46:50 <ajbrun> i'm getting an error parsing the config file whenever i install most packages
Aug 02 21:49:23 <ronny> wth
Aug 02 21:49:44 <ronny> i upgraded to latest devl now i get errors abour ecore and programmers being nasty
Aug 02 21:51:01 <ajbrun> what like ronny ?
Aug 02 21:51:49 <ronny> someone sending a null ptr to ecore_event_handler_del
Aug 02 21:52:08 <ronny> is a gtk based image supposed to get stuff that seems like as?
Aug 02 21:52:12 <ronny> eh asu
Aug 02 21:53:11 <abraxa_> ritz: What exactly do you mean by "I'd like to add photo id support"?
Aug 02 21:53:24 <Kero> hmf, lost audio after suspend is not 100% reproducible. neither is the white screen.
Aug 02 21:53:41 * cesarb prepares to try 2.6.26 on a GTA01
Aug 02 21:53:44 <ritz> abraxa_: i see a photo next to contact details, and on call 
Aug 02 21:54:18 <ajbrun> it'd be awkward to use without a camera though
Aug 02 21:54:20 <abraxa_> ritz: This is already included in the PIM framework I'm working on. As for application support... that'll have to be added
Aug 02 21:55:07 <ritz> abraxa_: neat. are we talking of incoming/outgoing calls and/or contact list ?
Aug 02 21:56:02 <Kero> gpe-scap needs user input. Save at bottom right (smaaallll button)
Aug 02 21:56:26 <ajbrun> anyone seen "return value: 2" before after doing an ipkg install?
Aug 02 21:56:49 <ajbrun> apparently, there was an error parsing the config file
Aug 02 21:56:55 <ajbrun> but i'm not sure how to fix it
Aug 02 21:57:11 <abraxa_> ritz: Both
Aug 02 21:57:19 <ritz> abraxa_++
Aug 02 21:58:11 <abraxa_> ritz: The photo id is part of the contact - if an application asks for contact X with phone number 123123123, it'll also find the photo id that way
Aug 02 21:59:05 <ritz> i assume this is based on eds ?
Aug 02 21:59:45 <abraxa_> Your assumption is wrong :)
Aug 02 22:00:07 <ajbrun> whoops - i meant opkg obviously...
Aug 02 22:00:22 <ritz> where can i checkout the code from ?
Aug 02 22:01:36 <Kero> abraxa_: then what is it based on?
Aug 02 22:01:48 <abraxa_> ritz: I'll publish it as soon as I can
Aug 02 22:01:51 <abraxa_> Kero: python :)
Aug 02 22:02:34 <ritz> thanks :), where will this be announced ?
Aug 02 22:03:22 <ritz> mailing list 
Aug 02 22:03:35 <abraxa_> ritz: devel
Aug 02 22:05:42 <ritz> what is the preferred toolkit, and is there anything equivalent to gnome-love for openmoko ?
Aug 02 22:09:06 <abraxa_> ritz: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Welcome_in_the_community
Aug 02 22:09:43 <abraxa_> I don't know of a better place to start, I'm afraid
Aug 02 22:09:51 <ritz> thanks :)
Aug 02 22:35:33 * cga has just opened his WONDERFUL Free Runner.... great job folks. the packaging it's GREAT!!!
Aug 02 22:39:53 <clare> Please FSO2  not seeing SIM, dialer typing weird also. Anyone else have this problem?
Aug 02 22:50:01 <Toaster`> Evening all.  Just did a upgrade to my FR and the AUX LED came on.  This is neat as other then flashing once on power up it didn't do anything.  My question is: Is it suposed to be on solid?  Or is it supposed to be a heartbeat signal?
Aug 02 22:50:16 <mmaestri1> anyone tried pyneo?
Aug 02 22:51:51 <fgau> mmaestri1: yes
Aug 02 22:52:51 <mmaestri1> fgau: i have fso m2 right now. can i just reflash the rootfs and try it, or should i reflash uImage too?
Aug 02 22:53:02 <mmaestri1> does it need some particular kernel?
Aug 02 22:54:58 <fgau> you need a particular kernel. but wait to 15. august, then emdete will release a new pyneo
Aug 02 22:55:20 <ronny> pyneo?
Aug 02 22:55:21 <mmaestri1> fgau: that's 2 weeks...:p
Aug 02 22:55:37 <mmaestri1> how would i wait that long...? :)
Aug 02 22:56:18 <Toaster`> mmaestri1: cryogenics?
Aug 02 22:56:40 <Toaster`> Carbonite?
Aug 02 22:56:55 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: Just curious... how did you find out about pyneo?
Aug 02 23:00:21 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: lurking here and there...
Aug 02 23:00:23 <cjb> woo, running NetworkManager now.
Aug 02 23:00:35 <smhar> what is pyneo?
Aug 02 23:00:37 <cjb> .. except it just disconnected me from the wireless.  d'oh.
Aug 02 23:00:39 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: Insufficient response ;)
Aug 02 23:02:07 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: really don't remember where did i found it
Aug 02 23:02:40 <mmaestri1> i think it was googling about fr and user interfaces
Aug 02 23:02:56 <abraxa_> smhar: You can think of it as "FSO's features and stability meet flexibility and 'getting things done'"
Aug 02 23:03:04 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: Ahh, nice. Thanks
Aug 02 23:03:29 <smhar> abraxa_: me drooling
Aug 02 23:03:35 <cesarb> Wow, my current 2007.2 image just poped up a message telling the current cell ID. How can I make it appear again?
Aug 02 23:03:51 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: may i now ask you why did you ask...? ;)
Aug 02 23:04:11 <Toaster`> cesarb: click on the signal strength icon in the top bar
Aug 02 23:04:25 <Toaster`> then click "GSM Network"
Aug 02 23:04:30 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: Cause we want to promote it after Aug 15th and I was just surprised people already know about it
Aug 02 23:04:34 <cesarb> Toaster`: very cool, thanks
Aug 02 23:04:55 <cesarb> Toaster`: THAT's why I wanted a Neo
Aug 02 23:05:14 <Toaster`> cesarb: the ability to get information out of a black box?
Aug 02 23:05:26 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: well...you have that page up and running...so...
Aug 02 23:05:34 <cesarb> Toaster`: which other phone would display the signal strength in dbm, cell ID in hex, and cypher status, in such an easy location?
Aug 02 23:06:08 * cesarb recalls the times where gsmd crashed all. the. whole. time. How things have improved!
Aug 02 23:07:24 <Toaster`> cesarb: I use my FR as my main phone. No real issues other then operator error :/
Aug 02 23:09:05 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: so you suggest that i should wait till aug 15? no pyneo for me till then...? :(
Aug 02 23:09:49 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: I'd suggest so, yeah. You'll be much happier then.
Aug 02 23:11:04 <tim_abell> hiya. should http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PIM_Storage be renamed to a wishlist entry?
Aug 02 23:11:30 <mmaestri1> abraxa_: any hint about what should i wait...? as a prize for being so curious...? :P
Aug 02 23:11:34 <niklauz> Toaster`: which stack are you using, and what about batt life?
Aug 02 23:12:44 <abraxa_> tim_abell: I'll rework that page as soon as I can
Aug 02 23:13:11 <tim_abell> ok. unless i can do it?
Aug 02 23:13:20 <tim_abell> i've got an account set up already
Aug 02 23:13:42 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: Well, it'll be comparable to FSO - further ahead in some areas, a little behind in others
Aug 02 23:13:52 <Toaster`> niklauz: 2007.2 image.  battery life isn't too grand, but I don't use suspend.  I got sick of having things go odd after a resume, and I have access to USB ports all day...
Aug 02 23:14:09 <mmaestri1> building fso...another error http://mibbit.com/pb/2nvlkt 
Aug 02 23:14:10 <abraxa_> tim_abell: You can edit it if you want
Aug 02 23:15:15 <tim_abell> i'll have a go
Aug 02 23:15:26 <tim_abell> there's always the undo button ;)
Aug 02 23:15:38 <mmaestri1> linux-openmoko_2.6.24
Aug 02 23:15:50 <abraxa_> tim_abell: Yeah, and that page is horribly outdated anyway.
Aug 02 23:17:06 <Toaster`> Speaking of suspend.  Anyone know if there have been any fixes pushed to the 2007.2 stack in the past few days?
Aug 02 23:18:14 <chomwitt> hi. is freerunner's hardware's board all soldered in one or there is sockets for main chips;
Aug 02 23:18:18 <chomwitt> ?
Aug 02 23:18:25 <cjb> soldered.
Aug 02 23:19:24 <chomwitt> isnt that counter to an open hardware architecture agenda?
Aug 02 23:20:11 <niklauz> i think the ethos is open/fair access
Aug 02 23:20:18 <abraxa_> chomwitt: Please consider the form factor, the size of a socket and the fact that all chips come in BGA packages to save space...
Aug 02 23:20:52 <cjb> yeah.  no chance of socketed components.
Aug 02 23:20:55 <niklauz> also i think i recall reading somewhere that there are solder-able points or unused ports on the board, is this correct?
Aug 02 23:21:41 <abraxa_> niklauz: Yeah
Aug 02 23:22:04 <cesarb> niklauz: they are called "test points"
Aug 02 23:22:43 <cesarb> niklauz: if you look on the wiki for a picture of the board without the LCD module, the list of most of them is printed there
Aug 02 23:22:58 <cesarb> niklauz: they are meant to be used with pogo pins, not solder...
Aug 02 23:23:11 <niklauz> i was asking more on behalf of chomwitt per his question
Aug 02 23:23:29 <cesarb> niklauz: (and yeah, some of them were put there to ease hacking...)
Aug 02 23:23:44 <tim_abell> there's quite a few pages that link to the pim page. if i move the page will the links auto-update or is it manual?
Aug 02 23:24:04 <niklauz> cesarb: ah good, thats the impression i got from my very limited comprehension
Aug 02 23:24:09 <abraxa_> tim_abell: Define "move"
Aug 02 23:24:48 <Fossi> can somebody tell me why opkg update tries to install gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk when gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk is installed?
Aug 02 23:24:52 <chomwitt> abraxa_: you'r right.  But the fear i have is for a handheld device  being for one use and in case of a hardware malfunction to have only one alternative, to buy a new board (in case of an all soldered in parts that means the half cost at least)
Aug 02 23:25:13 <tim_abell> click the "move" link at the top of the wiki page, and add "Wishlist:" to the front of the page title
Aug 02 23:25:34 <abraxa_> tim_abell: I'd rather you not do that as it's not a wishlist item
Aug 02 23:25:49 <tim_abell> yeah, now i think about it i've just realized that
Aug 02 23:25:58 <cesarb> chomwitt: using soldered in parts saves a lot of the cost, and avoids the mechanical and electrical problems of sockets, not to mention the extra space sockets waste
Aug 02 23:26:44 <tim_abell> ho hum. the trouble with community stuff is whenever you think you've found something to do, it turns out someone's done it or you haven't quite got it
Aug 02 23:27:58 <Toaster`> Any clues as to how to have suspend/resume NOT kill the sound?
Aug 02 23:29:18 <kd8ikt> mwesters resume fix might help
Aug 02 23:29:20 <kd8ikt> http://moko.mwester.net/
Aug 02 23:30:03 <tim_abell> what caught me out was that i didn't notice the "unimplemented" category at the bottom of the page, so i didn't immediately realize it was a planned item. and having previously seen the note about the importance of adding wishlist to wishlist items i thought it might be one as the text has a certain similarity.
Aug 02 23:30:08 * tim_abell gets coat
Aug 02 23:30:14 <abraxa_> tim_abell: Don't worry, talking about stuff is always good. Besides, what was the reason for your intended action anyway?
Aug 02 23:30:25 <chomwitt> cesarb: for me it'd be ideal to have the most costly parts (cpu, mem) in a socketed form . So in case of a malfunction in hardware i could save money my having to throw one part .not all the board (and possibly the pda itself).
Aug 02 23:30:39 <mmaestri1> building fso, linux-openmoko kernel 2.6.24 seems to fail
Aug 02 23:30:43 <mmaestri1> any idea?
Aug 02 23:30:43 <abraxa_> tim_abell: Ah, I see. Well, I'm currently working on it, so it's not unimplemented :)
Aug 02 23:30:51 <tim_abell> sweet :)
Aug 02 23:31:24 <abraxa_> mmaestri1: In in ideal world, things would certainly work that way...
Aug 02 23:31:51 <tim_abell> btw, I love the activity log under contacts. did you do that? blows my sorry ericsson p910i out the water already
Aug 02 23:32:33 <abraxa_> tim_abell: I didn't work on any GUI stuff related to PIM myself
Aug 02 23:32:45 <tim_abell> righto
Aug 02 23:32:56 <teprrr> chomwitt, I think the source for the hardware design somewhere.. you could use it and build similar system with your own case and sockets, perhaps? or use that at least as a base for the design
Aug 02 23:33:48 <cesarb> chomwitt: these are also the parts least likely to fail...
Aug 02 23:35:28 <tim_abell> I can't find a good place to put the following handy command on the wiki. Any ideas? ssh root@phone 'tar -cpz /home/root' > root-home-`date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S`.tar.gz
Aug 02 23:35:42 <tim_abell> i've put it here, http://timwise.wikispaces.com/my+neo+freerunner but no-one will find it there
Aug 02 23:36:11 <thewtex> tim_abell: isn't there a page about creating backups?
Aug 02 23:36:41 <Fossi> can somebody tell me why opkg update tries to install gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk when gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk is installed?
Aug 02 23:36:53 <tim_abell> there's the backup software page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup but i couldn't find anything else
Aug 02 23:37:37 <abraxa_> Fossi: Maybe some package depends on the fastscaling version
Aug 02 23:38:51 <thewtex> tim_abell: maybe a separate section on this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup
Aug 02 23:39:10 <thewtex> tim_abell: that is a clever command
Aug 02 23:39:13 <chomwitt> cesarb: i live in a small city in central greece , and my view is of a programmer who loves libre sofware and open designs, but he would be more willing to pay 300+ euros if a knew that after the guarantee expires, a possibly failure wouldnt make all my phone uselless but i could easily save some parts. (eg: the screen it'd be cool to abide to a standard so i could easily transfered between open arch pdas - )
Aug 02 23:39:52 <Fossi> abraxa_: well, afaik, the fastscaling version has been standard for now. i wonder why it wants to install the plain version
Aug 02 23:40:11 <Fossi> i thought there was some kind of setting which version opkg should install
Aug 02 23:40:57 <tim_abell> thewtex, thanks :) i've been practising. i'll add a note at the end and people can re-arrange if it's not quite right. better to get the information up i guess.
Aug 02 23:43:54 <cesarb> chomwitt: unfortunately, there's no standard I know of. It would be extremly cool to have a modular PDA (if I want one with two GSM radios, but no wifi, I would just have to swap some modules), but it would be bulkier and more expensive (and, as I said, there are no standards I know of for that)
Aug 02 23:44:15 <tim_abell> is it bad form to link to my own wiki as a reference for the backup command?
Aug 02 23:44:41 <thewtex> tim_abell: thanks for adding to the wiki -- don't be shy to fix what is broken -- I think your idea should go first because home is faster to backup than everything
Aug 02 23:44:49 <thewtex> tim_abell: no way
Aug 02 23:44:56 <thewtex> tim_abell: link away
Aug 02 23:45:08 <cesarb> chomwitt: of course, if you desolder the screen (which you shouldn't do since it is not made to be desoldered), you could use it for something else if you made an adapter (the pinout might not be an standard, but the pins themselves do follow some standard)
Aug 02 23:46:06 * cesarb once read something on the internet about someone who took the small external LCD of some phone and adapted it into glasses. Yep, a LCD module adapted within the glasses. Pity I haven't been able to find that page again.
Aug 02 23:50:30 <mmaestri1> is anyone trying to build with mokomakefile? i'm having a problem with linux-openmoko-2.6.24
Aug 02 23:50:59 <mmaestri1> looked into the .bb file but cannot find nothing wrong
Aug 02 23:51:59 <tim_abell> done http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup
Aug 02 23:52:06 <tim_abell> i love wikis
Aug 02 23:52:18 <mmaestri1> seems like that's the only thing that keeps me from building the image
Aug 02 23:52:34 <thewtex> tim_abell: nice :)
Aug 02 23:52:40 <Fossi> abraxa_: ok, found it. i still had scaredycat's repository active which has a new gtk+ version
Aug 02 23:52:43 <tim_abell> thanks
Aug 02 23:52:46 <cesarb> mmaestri1: pastebin the error message
Aug 02 23:53:39 <mmaestri1> http://mibbit.com/pb/msaJsu 
Aug 02 23:54:29 <cesarb> mmaestri1: that's not the real error, it's a consequence of the error
Aug 02 23:54:39 <cesarb> mmaestri1: the real error should be several lines above that
Aug 02 23:55:05 <chomwitt> cesarb: thanks for the argument. i guess you'r right about the intricacies of a pda form factor design, but i wanted to express my fear of the --one use -> throw --  cycle design which exists in the handheld realm and force to buy all new pdas  in a short time.
Aug 02 23:56:01 <cesarb> chomwitt: well, the openmoko ones should last longer, since they are quite more flexible in the software side
Aug 02 23:56:18 <Fossi> hmm it still wants to install gtk+
Aug 02 23:56:21 <Fossi> this sucks
Aug 02 23:56:33 <Fossi> someone in the know?
Aug 02 23:56:51 <Fossi> i'm just trying to update to the daily's
Aug 02 23:57:06 <Fossi> om2007.2 that is
Aug 03 00:10:56 <mmaestri1> cesarb: http://pastebin.com/da52e8c0
Aug 03 00:11:04 <mmaestri1> sorry for the delay
Aug 03 00:13:56 <cesarb> mmaestri1: the real error is that plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h is missing
Aug 03 00:15:37 <cesarb> mmaestri1: that recipe is probably using a bad git revision (one where a header file was forgotten; that is not rare)
Aug 03 00:16:29 <cesarb> mmaestri1: I'd recomment doing (if you are using mokomakefile) "make clean-package-linux-openmoko" (to force it to recompile from scratch), "make update", and try again
Aug 03 00:17:19 <mmaestri1> i did a make-clean-package, just forgot to make update
Aug 03 00:17:35 <thewtex> hmm, wiki seems to be down for me, at least
Aug 03 00:17:52 <thewtex> did you guys see that someone name 'woz' made a contribution to the wiki
Aug 03 00:20:04 <mmaestri1> cesarb: it failed, so i'm doing make clean-package and make update before trying again
Aug 03 00:20:45 <cesarb> mmaestri1: it's also possible that the branch you are using has a sane-srcrevs pointing to a non-sane revision, and nobody else is using that branch so it stays broken ;-)
Aug 03 00:24:42 <mmaestri1> cesarb: it failed again...
Aug 03 00:24:54 <mmaestri1> cesarb: advice...?
Aug 03 00:27:23 <mmaestri1> cesarb: how to choose another branch?
Aug 03 00:29:53 <tim_abell> it strikes me that the end of the section of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_package_manager about upgrading a fresh phone should include a "reboot" statement, or instruction to restart the phone at the end. thought?
Aug 03 00:30:39 <cesarb> mmaestri1: it's selected at the top of mokomakefile, you probably already changed the branch to build fso (according to the instructions on the mokomakefile wiki page, each distro has a different branch)
Aug 03 00:32:55 <mmaestri1> cesarb: so you suggest that i put OM_BRANCH again pointing to org.openmoko.dev, even when i'm trying to build a fso image?
Aug 03 00:33:25 <cesarb> mmaestri1: no, I'm just stating that it's probably broken. I'm not suggesting you do anything ;-)
Aug 03 00:34:22 <mmaestri1> cesarb: well...i'm still wanting to build it, so i must do something...right?
Aug 03 00:35:32 <cesarb> mmaestri1: right, and the something would probably involve finding out where the mistake is (patches added by the bitbake recipe? old git tree? forced srcrev from somewhere) and fix it :P
Aug 03 00:36:48 <mmaestri1> well...thx, i'll try to figure it out
Aug 03 00:37:43 <chomwitt> cesarb: i think for know the solution i see  to break the one use cycle is to become more expert in desoldering!
Aug 03 00:38:07 <cesarb> chomwitt: :D
Aug 03 00:39:38 <matholio> hello all
Aug 03 00:39:49 <chomwitt> cesarb: :-)  have a nice day (or night)
Aug 03 00:40:50 <matholio> I just flashed stock 2007.2 kernel and rootfs, but not I cannot connect via usb from my pc.  this was all working before.  and worked with stock before too.
Aug 03 00:41:40 <matholio> usb0 is in ifconfig on FR, looks normal enough.
Aug 03 00:42:19 <matholio> ..is detected by host system :  usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 27
Aug 03 00:43:27 <cesarb> chomwitt: thanks (it's night here)
Aug 03 00:44:02 <chomwitt> cesarb:  which country?
Aug 03 00:45:15 <matholio> SIOCSIFADDR:      is this a problem with the FR or host system?
Aug 03 00:45:29 <torindel> matholio: try poweroffing moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on and pluging cable back
Aug 03 00:45:30 <matholio> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Aug 03 00:46:02 <tkep> my motorola car charger doesn't tell the output voltage
Aug 03 00:46:20 <tkep> would it be safe to assume, since it's wall charger is the right voltage for the FR, that the car one would be as well?
Aug 03 00:46:38 <tkep> it'd be nice to be able to charge this in the car since battery life is ass
Aug 03 00:47:02 <cesarb> chomwitt: Brasil
Aug 03 00:47:46 <cesarb> tkep: if it's one of the chargers with a USB plug, it's most probably 5V, since that's the USB standard
Aug 03 00:48:19 <chomwitt> cesarb:  happy talking to you. c u.
Aug 03 00:48:27 <tkep> cesarb, i'd assume so too.  of course, my in car gps charger is the same way...but it outputs 7
Aug 03 00:48:29 <tkep> which is weird
Aug 03 00:48:33 <tkep> i guess it needs more voltage
Aug 03 00:48:44 <tkep> oh well, it should be within voltage tolerance!
Aug 03 00:54:43 <cesarb> tkep: 7V is way over tolerance for USB power
Aug 03 00:55:13 <cesarb> tkep: I don't recall the voltage tolerance, but if it's a generous 10%, the maximum would be 5.5V
Aug 03 00:59:42 <matholio> torindel: thanks, usb working again. phew.
Aug 03 01:01:08 <orzo> is zenity packaged for openmoko?
Aug 03 01:01:13 <orzo> i didnt see it in my opkg list
Aug 03 01:01:50 <orzo> but it'd be nice to have a way to write quick GUI utilities
Aug 03 01:09:24 <mwester> mmaestri1:  Are you using the autorev and the openembedded (monotone) repo to build FSO?  (or do I misunderstand/)
Aug 03 01:10:54 <mmaestri1> mwester: i'm using mokomakefile
Aug 03 01:11:22 <mwester> Ok.  But unless you specifically do a few things, it won't build FSO for you.
Aug 03 01:11:32 <mwester> (is it FSO that you're building?)
Aug 03 01:11:38 <mmaestri1> yes it is
Aug 03 01:12:30 <mwester> FSO is built from the org.openembedded.dev branch (which should work out to be the OE monotone repo with the Makefile, I think).
Aug 03 01:13:16 <roh> oe is switching atm.. atleast they already have the git-test flying hot with commits
Aug 03 01:13:30 <roh> matter of days when we are finally free of mtn
Aug 03 01:14:10 <roh> and i would be careful with overvoltage.. 10% should be ok. yeah
Aug 03 01:14:15 <niklauz> sorry, what is mtn ?
Aug 03 01:14:30 <mwester> monotone
Aug 03 01:14:35 <roh> but in such small packages one often is forced to choose rather small voltage-limits
Aug 03 01:14:39 <niklauz> ah!
Aug 03 01:15:08 <roh> means i would wonder if there werent caps with 6.3V near that without even looking at the schem..
Aug 03 01:15:33 <roh> but hey.. the schems are being worked upon for days.. so prepare for impact.. will be quite soon
Aug 03 01:15:45 <mwester> mmaestri1:  Another possible issue is that this weekend is "bug weekend" for OE, so things are a bit "in flux" ATM.  But I built FSO just yesterday, for both GTA01 and GTA02, so it should be in pretty good shape.
Aug 03 01:16:12 <mmaestri1> mwester: how did you built it?
Aug 03 01:16:51 <mwester> Well, I don't use mokomakefile, so you'll have to find the config files yourself.  But basically, in your local.conf you need to add:
Aug 03 01:17:32 <mwester> require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc
Aug 03 01:17:32 <mwester> require conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc
Aug 03 01:20:02 <mwester> In the Moko Makefile, make sure that you have commented out the OM_GIT_* definitions, and uncommented the ones above that point to the "openembedded.net" site.
Aug 03 01:20:04 <tkep> cesarb, good call
Aug 03 01:20:41 <mwester> (Actually you may need to reverse the order -- fix up the Makefile, then do a make update, then find and edit the local.conf file :)
Aug 03 01:21:09 <torindel> roh: mtn oe is still swarming with updates too
Aug 03 01:21:52 <cesarb> mwester: local.conf is at build/conf/local.conf
Aug 03 01:22:02 <mwester> Thanks. :) 
Aug 03 01:22:44 <torindel> any ideas when they'll fully resign from mtn?
Aug 03 01:23:16 <mwester> "any day now", torindel 
Aug 03 01:23:25 <cesarb> roh: how much will be on the schematics? we know GSM and the GTA01 GPS will probably be a black box in them, but would the rest be fully detailed?
Aug 03 01:25:01 <torindel> cesarb: at least they have fully described interface and you cant tell that about glamo
Aug 03 01:28:23 <mmaestri1> mwester: i've taked note of your advices, i'll try it later
Aug 03 01:28:25 <mmaestri1> thx
Aug 03 01:28:28 <mmaestri1> bye all
Aug 03 01:28:33 <pjz> mwester: is anyone maintaining an opkg repo for fso?
Aug 03 01:28:58 <mwester> No; it's not intended to be a full-fledged distro.
Aug 03 01:29:19 <mwester> However. the existing 2007.2 repos will work just fine for most things.
Aug 03 01:29:30 <torindel> its intended to be quick starthack image
Aug 03 01:29:34 <kd8ikt> dang am i the only person who's phone always wakes up with a white screen?
Aug 03 01:29:43 <cesarb> torindel: actually, we can, and we can even without the schematics. It will be another black box, of course, but how it plugs in the CPU, PMU and LCM should be quite standard.
Aug 03 01:29:48 <roh> cesarb: quite detailed. to be specific: joerg is wading through lots of small things to clean up the mess...
Aug 03 01:29:49 <matholio> after flashing back to 2007.2 and updating dropbear, and adding  kernel-module-g-ether and kernel-module-cdc-ether, should I expect any issue doing a full opkg update ?
Aug 03 01:30:12 <cesarb> roh: cool
Aug 03 01:30:27 <cesarb> roh: as a side effect, OM itself will then have better internal documentation it seems
Aug 03 01:30:34 <roh> so people do not get confused by stuff like block-overviews with wrong or old copypasted strings or misrouted connections
Aug 03 01:30:40 <roh> a bit..
Aug 03 01:30:43 <torindel> cesarb: i mean get me docs how to do promised gl on that thing... -___-;
Aug 03 01:31:01 <roh> not that this was a big hurdle.. to be fair i didnt bother... as long as i get it as pdf ;)
Aug 03 01:31:25 <cesarb> torindel: it would be OM to write the docs, and that after writing the full driver. the full driver isn't near complete...
Aug 03 01:31:33 <torindel> cesarb: you dont care if chip is blackbox as long as you get docs
Aug 03 01:31:55 <cesarb> torindel: if you have the docs, it isn't that much of a black box anymore
Aug 03 01:32:20 <roh> and since after that is done and the last few small buts on system/hardwarelevel are resolved, i think the most changes to that will rather be clarification or bugfixes/labelings
Aug 03 01:32:21 <cesarb> torindel: of course, the biggest black box of them (GSM) will have a flashing arrow saying "see cryptome" :D
Aug 03 01:32:23 <torindel> cesarb: problem is that there isnt docs how to use 3d on that thing to write driver -__-
Aug 03 01:32:45 <cesarb> roh: how many hardware bugs did he found while cleaning the documentation? ;-)
Aug 03 01:32:50 <roh> for gta01/02 from updates to the schematics viewpoint
Aug 03 01:33:11 <roh> cesarb not found hw bugs... but just plain mislabelings which slipped through.
Aug 03 01:33:20 <roh> like a 6 instead of a 7 (typos)
Aug 03 01:33:34 <cesarb> torindel: raster has said that 3D isn't usable, since it has a maximum of 511x511 and the neo uses 480x640
Aug 03 01:34:04 <roh> cesarb that only means that one cannot fill the screen full-res.
Aug 03 01:34:17 <roh> in 320x200 mode that still would be enough
Aug 03 01:34:32 <torindel> or you can always have 129 pixels of interface
Aug 03 01:34:34 <roh> glamo is clearly a 320x240 design, scaled up to 640x480 
Aug 03 01:35:06 <roh> torindel ack.. or that.,.. after all the touchscreen concept forces one to waste space on the screen for fingers
Aug 03 01:35:10 <roh> ;)
Aug 03 01:35:33 <torindel> ;]
Aug 03 01:36:06 <torindel> "place your fingerprint here" ;]
Aug 03 01:39:26 <matholio> can anyone tell me the best kernel to flash for gps?
Aug 03 01:39:36 <matholio> if there is one at all.
Aug 03 01:40:36 <cesarb> matholio: on a GTA01, doesn't make much of a difference; on a GTA02, get one with the SD fixes
Aug 03 01:41:49 <matholio> GTA02, but which/where is the one with SD fixes ?
Aug 03 01:43:06 <matholio> will an opkg upgrade get those fixes ?
Aug 03 01:43:33 <Yasumoto> sweet, I think I finally am pretty comfortable with dfu-util
Aug 03 01:46:40 <kd8ikt> ah cool i successfully cross compiled uptimed
Aug 03 01:47:05 <kd8ikt> now i can good uptime stats
Aug 03 01:47:09 <kd8ikt> get*
Aug 03 01:54:40 <matholio> is there a way to have opkg download updates for applying later ?
Aug 03 01:54:50 <matholio> does --test do this ?
Aug 03 01:55:37 <Melchiorre> matholio: yes, i think it does
Aug 03 02:04:19 <orzo> the wiki recommends using the pre-built toolchain to build applications but how do we install library headers and such for teh tool chain?  Also, I already have a MokoMakefile built tree, so I don't mind using that toolset instead.  I want to attempt to build an autotools based tar ball, how do I go about it?  Do i need to create a bitbake recipe?
Aug 03 02:04:45 <matholio> ok, I ran opkg --test upgrade and I'm seeing a lot of error like : Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
Aug 03 02:04:45 <matholio> 	But that file is already provided by package gtk+-fastscaling
Aug 03 02:06:09 <orzo> the package i'm interested in building is zenity.  Zenity is a tool for adding gtk interfaces to bash scripts.  Surely somebody has looked at this before?
Aug 03 02:08:24 <orzo> There's only 2 months of archives of the devel mailing list... where's the rest?
Aug 03 02:08:37 <kd8ikt> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 03 02:08:55 <kd8ikt> someone beat you to it
Aug 03 02:09:04 <orzo> awsome
Aug 03 02:09:16 <orzo> hm
Aug 03 02:09:26 <orzo> how come i couldn't find it
Aug 03 02:09:31 <orzo> is it brand new?
Aug 03 02:09:31 <kd8ikt> scaredycat's repo
Aug 03 02:09:34 <orzo> oh
Aug 03 02:11:20 <matholio> Zenity looks neat though.
Aug 03 02:18:35 <linuxxr> now that im able to use my phone im off to try a newer image
Aug 03 02:19:08 <linuxxr> any good ones out there?
Aug 03 02:19:22 <linuxxr> opkg fixed?
Aug 03 02:21:19 <orzo> where does opkg download the ipk files to?
Aug 03 02:21:36 <linuxxr> even though it doesn't have the resistor onn it im glad i ordered early
Aug 03 02:21:58 <linuxxr> would it /tmp?
Aug 03 02:22:06 <linuxxr> i dont know
Aug 03 02:22:32 <linuxxr> i just yesterdat got the phone to work
Aug 03 02:23:05 <orzo> i get lots of warnings from gdk about failures to convert from utf-8 to iso-8859-1.  Why is it converting?
Aug 03 02:23:08 <linuxxr> it would  not register randomly
Aug 03 02:24:21 <linuxxr> burning an iso of your current setup?
Aug 03 02:27:28 <matholio> ack, after doing opkg-upgrade my xserver cannot restart.
Aug 03 02:29:37 <linuxxr> is there anything with using the halt command on thr freerunner?/
Aug 03 02:30:18 <linuxxr> i had to start over with the default image again
Aug 03 02:33:33 <linuxxr> i think im going to put the old tap keyboard  back on so i can SEE IT
Aug 03 02:59:43 <SpeedEvil> Is your freerunner too hot?
Aug 03 02:59:45 <SpeedEvil> http://www.sunon.com.tw/mmfan/mmfan_e.htm
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