**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 03 02:59:56 2008 Aug 03 03:08:09 lol Aug 03 03:23:08 mmm bitbake seems to make some progress (Running task 2652 of 3623) Aug 03 03:25:39 anyone got any pointers / urls on how to make om-make-ipkg package a python app? I'm trying to build lint-wifi & package it and not quite succeeding. Aug 03 03:27:58 ramblings on the subect: http://timwise.wikispaces.com/lint-wifi source code fiddling: http://github.com/timabell/lint-wifi/commits/master Aug 03 03:30:20 any one have any idea what happened to the python-pygtk package i just reflashed my freerunner and its gone missing Aug 03 03:34:51 ok does anyone know how to get gtk to work in python then? Aug 03 03:35:09 "opkg install python-pygtk" doesnt work Aug 03 03:40:52 lol Aug 03 03:40:56 everytime the dfu-util tries to 'reset usb', my phone turns off. anyone know why? Aug 03 03:40:57 * torindel just started swaping Aug 03 03:41:32 kdubois: try using nor uboot Aug 03 03:41:54 * torindel 750MB of swap used and increasing -__- Aug 03 03:42:06 torindel: nor uboot? Aug 03 03:42:30 kdubois: you got freerunner right? Aug 03 03:42:36 yep Aug 03 03:43:05 disconnect usb cable, turn it off, hold aux button, press power on, connect usb cable Aug 03 03:43:44 if you press aux after pressing power on you'll get nand uboot Aug 03 03:43:54 (the one you can flash) Aug 03 03:44:09 ah, thank you torindel, ill give it a try Aug 03 03:44:10 nor uboot is the non upgradeable one Aug 03 03:46:05 yay, there we go, thanks torindel Aug 03 03:53:18 Sleep time for me. Best wishes all, and wish me luck in my crazy plan to contribute something useful :-) Aug 03 03:53:45 it's getting light again here, and that's a bad sign Aug 03 04:05:14 same here XD Aug 03 04:05:20 6am Aug 03 04:06:06 hmm almost finished: Running task 3610 of 3623 Aug 03 04:06:18 (and it failed again ;]) Aug 03 04:06:48 how can i make the python-pygtk package since its no longer in the repositories? Aug 03 04:06:54 i really like the fso milestone 2 Aug 03 04:09:11 kdubois: me too, frameworkd is nice Aug 03 04:09:35 i havent really gotten down to the coding level with it yet, any suggestions on where to start? Aug 03 04:09:42 rawr pyyaml.org died Aug 03 04:09:52 i've been trying to bitbake the latest fso for a while now, not much success Aug 03 04:10:07 kdubois: get svn version of frameworkd and look at it Aug 03 04:10:18 but i imagine compiling the whole image is a bit excessive, i just really want to work on userspace apps Aug 03 04:10:32 (its in python, so you can easly replace it / change it) Aug 03 04:10:55 even without building image Aug 03 04:10:56 torindel: thats great, no crosscompiling then either Aug 03 04:12:18 ya thats plus for fast developing Aug 03 04:12:27 kdubois: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ Aug 03 04:13:36 to opkg or not to opkg Aug 03 04:13:51 can anyone nslookup pyyaml.org for me? Aug 03 04:14:00 looks like its dns died Aug 03 04:14:01 thanks torindel, ill see what i can do. id like to get started on a multimedia app Aug 03 04:19:57 has anyone got tangogps working on fso 2 yet? Aug 03 04:20:29 * pjz has been reading fso framework code Aug 03 04:20:30 rwhitby: yep Aug 03 04:20:54 (without map but it worked) Aug 03 04:20:55 torindel: any secrets, or does it work out of the box for you on a gta02? Aug 03 04:21:01 out of the box Aug 03 04:21:11 gst-launch says that vorbisfile is an unknown pipeline element Aug 03 04:21:20 (but i didnt had inet connectivity to get map) Aug 03 04:21:22 anybody know how to list installed pipeline elements? Aug 03 04:21:27 the zhone gps display worked for me, but tangogps couldn't see any satellites Aug 03 04:21:53 zhone gps fails miserably for me Aug 03 04:21:54 what's tangogps using to get the nmea output in the fso 2 gta02 case? gpsd is not running ... Aug 03 04:22:04 rwhitby: it worked for me, i could check current speed etc Aug 03 04:22:06 nada zilch zero nothing Aug 03 04:22:24 rwhitby: thats tangogps-fso package Aug 03 04:22:31 and it uses fso framework Aug 03 04:22:48 torindel: is that package in any public repo? Aug 03 04:22:51 torindel: is that the one in the fso image by default, or one you ipkg installed? Aug 03 04:22:56 torindel: or doI have to build it? Aug 03 04:22:57 (small patch to use dbus instead of gpsd ;]) Aug 03 04:23:28 pjz: yep it is, plus its in fso milestone2 image Aug 03 04:23:42 rwhitby: default one Aug 03 04:23:43 torindel: I have fso m2 on the phone Aug 03 04:23:56 torindel: but my gps fails to get any data Aug 03 04:24:06 weeee: NOTE: package fso-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: started Aug 03 04:24:06 torindel: at least, the gps app doesn't work; I havent' dug into it Aug 03 04:24:32 pjz: for me, it took a while, but the zhone gps eventually got data Aug 03 04:24:35 pjz: i'm 100% sure that speed'o'meter works Aug 03 04:24:44 so with fso ii any one else not getting dail tone or rings just voice after connection? Aug 03 04:24:58 pjz: also you need to wait to gps to get first fix Aug 03 04:25:03 torindel: I have tangogps-fso - 0.9.2-r0 installed - same for you? Aug 03 04:25:15 torindel: how to do that? just put it into the zhone gps thing and wait? Aug 03 04:25:21 pjz: yep Aug 03 04:25:24 ya the gps is a little slow just go outside works fine Aug 03 04:25:36 rwhitby: i got fso milestone2 image curently Aug 03 04:25:46 * pjz sits right by a window, figured that would be okay Aug 03 04:25:57 pjz: yep, start gps app and wait Aug 03 04:26:18 better go outside Aug 03 04:26:30 getting first fix requires stronger signal Aug 03 04:26:35 you may need to configure gpsd to use the right device Aug 03 04:26:51 dns53: it works out of the box Aug 03 04:27:05 torindel: when tangogps is getting data for you, is gpsd running, or is there a /tmp/nmeaP file? Aug 03 04:27:09 not for me, i needed to change it Aug 03 04:27:27 dns53: plus i dunno if you can actually change device after fso patch Aug 03 04:27:57 hmm - there is no gpsd package installed on my fso2 image Aug 03 04:28:04 i'm not using fso Aug 03 04:28:24 rwhitby: it comunicates via dbus with frameworkd, which have gypsy started if there are any gps apps running Aug 03 04:28:26 Don't forget to hold the phone upright; the GPS antenna does not appear to be oriented such that the face of the phone is the "sky" direction. Aug 03 04:28:39 rwhitby: thats correct Aug 03 04:29:18 its not useing gpsd anymore ;] Aug 03 04:29:47 weeeee build complete ;] Aug 03 04:29:49 does it matter if I try and use zhone-gps or tangogps to get first fix? Aug 03 04:30:04 pjz: it doesnt Aug 03 04:30:21 on upper right corner you have letters/numbers Aug 03 04:30:26 s is gps Aug 03 04:30:40 S1 ? Aug 03 04:30:49 small s means turned off, big S means turned on and number means gps clients connected Aug 03 04:31:03 ah, cool Aug 03 04:31:14 it auto kills gps daemon if you dont have gps apps running Aug 03 04:31:35 so dont close them after getting first fix Aug 03 04:31:56 torindel: heh, okay. how do I leave them running in the background? Aug 03 04:32:04 we really need to add option to save/load first fix data to some gps daemons ;] Aug 03 04:32:08 any guesses on the no dial tone? Aug 03 04:32:13 torindel: how can I interrogate the nmea stream with gypsyd to make sure it's working Aug 03 04:32:15 ? Aug 03 04:32:22 pjz: start tango and switch to zhone Aug 03 04:32:30 what does the dialer use to play ring tones, and if i play music, by various methods, will the ring still be able to paly? Aug 03 04:32:34 (press upper bar) Aug 03 04:36:24 rwhitby: how compatible are debian packages to an fso image? Aug 03 04:36:46 rwhitby: failing that, do you know if anyone's put vim into oe ? Aug 03 04:37:22 pjz: dunno to both Aug 03 04:37:25 rwhitby: also, git? Aug 03 04:37:29 * pjz sighs Aug 03 04:37:38 oh, vim and git are in OE I expect Aug 03 04:38:01 pulseaudio is for mixing? I told gst-launch to send directly to its alsasink rather than its pulsesink and it performed a lot better. Further, i launched another gst-launch on another file and it played them both simultaneously apprently acheiving the mix even though i never mentioned pulse Aug 03 04:38:08 orzo: sink = gst.element_factory_make( "alsasink", "sink" ) Aug 03 04:38:12 gst Aug 03 04:38:20 ah? and is there a HOWTO on getting them built for the FreeRunner? Aug 03 04:38:21 vim 7.0 and git 1.5.3 are there Aug 03 04:38:49 rwhitby: or do I just need to add a new repo to my /etc/opkg/ config? Aug 03 04:39:10 * pjz would love it if it were that easy Aug 03 04:39:32 torindel: i'm not sure what question you are answering, but it's not mine. Can I play multiple audio streams at once without pulseaudio, and if so, why do i need pulseaudio? Aug 03 04:40:09 orzo: "what does the dialer use to play ring tones" <= gst with alsasink Aug 03 04:40:15 oh Aug 03 04:40:18 i se Aug 03 04:40:18 has anyone seen "Registration Denied" with AT&T? Aug 03 04:40:20 thanks Aug 03 04:40:26 so it doesnt use pulse eitehr Aug 03 04:40:42 why do we install pulse Aug 03 04:40:50 which image? Aug 03 04:40:55 2007.2 Aug 03 04:41:00 orzo: I think Mickey took it out of FSO Aug 03 04:41:07 orzo: so... we don't anymore :) Aug 03 04:41:19 orzo: i was saying about fso dialler Aug 03 04:41:21 i thought pulse was included for things that needed to be faster than gst Aug 03 04:41:26 oh Aug 03 04:41:46 pjz: you can probably install them from the angstrom repos Aug 03 04:42:50 "sink" doesn't occur in my 2007.2 dialer source Aug 03 04:43:27 should I be using FSO? Aug 03 04:44:09 rwhitby: woot! cool, thx Aug 03 04:44:24 i have a neo1973 Aug 03 04:45:05 orzo: fso works on neo1973 too Aug 03 04:45:41 pjz: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=vim and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=git Aug 03 04:46:16 what is fso Aug 03 04:46:21 or you can build them with mokomakefile too Aug 03 04:46:22 heh Aug 03 04:46:32 freesmartphone.org -> f s o Aug 03 04:47:22 * torindel had a lot less troubles compiling fso without mokomakefile Aug 03 04:48:58 is fso based on 2007.2? Aug 03 04:49:01 rwhitby: I tried to add the angstrom repo to my /etc/opkg list, but it didn't seem to do any good Aug 03 04:49:24 orzo: read the wiki 'Distributions' page Aug 03 04:50:11 orzo: fso is based on freesmartphone framework -__- Aug 03 04:50:44 pjz: gta01 or 02? Aug 03 04:51:31 torindel: 02 Aug 03 04:51:40 i could build some packages since i already have finished image Aug 03 04:52:36 torindel: the trouble comes from fso not using openmoko repos, so you need to build fso from OE repos, not OM repos. Aug 03 04:52:49 (which mokomakefile doesn't do by default, but can easily be told to do) Aug 03 04:53:18 rwhitby: i already did Aug 03 04:53:48 but did it directly with oe stuff and bitbake Aug 03 04:54:18 torindel: mokomakefile is just a wrapper around oe stuff and bitbake, so it should do exactly the same thing if you select the right repo and branch. Aug 03 04:55:15 if you've got OE set up properly already, then you don't need mokomakefile anyway - you've already progressed beyond it Aug 03 04:55:52 yeah, mokomakefile is for idjits like me who are too lazy to learn how to use bitbake and such Aug 03 04:56:39 or for lazy buggers like me who only want to type one command to do stuff Aug 03 04:56:58 rwhitby: any idea why adding the angstrom distro to my /etc/opkg feed list didn't seem to add any extra available packages? Aug 03 04:57:11 * pjz did opkg update, opkg list |grep vim and found nothing Aug 03 04:57:14 what exactly did you add? Aug 03 04:57:30 src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/ , just like the wiki says Aug 03 04:57:41 hm Aug 03 04:57:49 in a file called 'angstrom-feed.conf' in /etc/opkg Aug 03 04:58:30 opkg update says it's pulling down the Packages.gz Aug 03 04:58:47 from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ ? Aug 03 04:59:21 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base//Packages.gz Aug 03 04:59:56 are you sure it's built for that feed (which is different to the one I posted) Aug 03 05:00:11 that feed is what the wiki says Aug 03 05:00:23 but looking at the dir directly, the Packages.gz is 20 bytes Aug 03 05:00:31 at angstrom-distribution.org Aug 03 05:00:45 wikis are usually wrong :-) Aug 03 05:01:12 yup, that's the problem. Aug 03 05:02:08 * pjz fixes the wiki Aug 03 05:03:38 * pjz installs vim. Yay! Aug 03 05:03:43 better test the other one first ;-) Aug 03 05:04:02 dependencies are likely to break from the 2007 feed Aug 03 05:05:04 vim works Aug 03 05:05:08 I just installed it Aug 03 05:05:18 git is only available for armv6 though Aug 03 05:05:24 torindel: which distro did you use to build fso - openmoko or angstrom-2008.1 ? Aug 03 05:05:42 any way to kick angstrom-distribution.org into building it for the armv4t ? Aug 03 05:06:05 pjz: ask on #angstrom Aug 03 05:06:51 rwhitby: openmoko Aug 03 05:08:08 pjz: if you want i can send you both my current fso image and make some packages Aug 03 05:09:04 torindel: I got mokomakefile to build me fso m1, and I downloaded m2 and turned it into a .tar.gz for my sdcard dev enviro Aug 03 05:09:33 torindel: I would turn down a git package, though :) Aug 03 05:09:50 torindel: since no one seems to be awake on #angstrom Aug 03 05:10:11 any dbus experts around? I got networkmanager running, it's not finding the wpa_supplicant though. Aug 03 05:10:18 (Which I think it expects to start via dbus activation.) Aug 03 05:10:39 cjb: this on fso? Aug 03 05:10:47 no, 2007.2 Aug 03 05:11:03 cjb: I don't think 2007.2 does much via dbus, though I could be wrong Aug 03 05:11:05 trying to get a GUI NM applet going for that. Aug 03 05:11:18 pjz: well, it runs a system bus :) Aug 03 05:12:24 hm Aug 03 05:13:05 too many distros heh Aug 03 05:13:36 does FSO have zenity? Aug 03 05:14:13 anyone tried to bitbake and DEPENDS on portaudio? :/ Aug 03 05:20:37 pjz: ftp://torindel.homeunix.org Aug 03 05:22:16 torindel: woo! thanks! downloading now Aug 03 05:23:53 also added sed,findutils,cpio Aug 03 05:24:06 (depends for building git) Aug 03 05:24:17 or running rater Aug 03 05:24:22 +h Aug 03 05:25:22 so what distro does everyone use? Aug 03 05:26:45 dns53: I was just thinking about whether to switch to FSO2 Aug 03 05:26:49 2007.2 right now Aug 03 05:27:37 I use tangogps a lot, wonder if that works well on FSO2 Aug 03 05:27:39 me too, cjb Aug 03 05:27:43 torindel: hrm. angstrom has sed & findutils; pulled down cpio from you Aug 03 05:27:49 everything you are saying, me too Aug 03 05:27:51 heh Aug 03 05:29:34 torindel: okay, so for real fun, can you build vim with the python-scripting enabled? Aug 03 05:30:17 torindel: debian/ubuntu call it vim-python, fedora/centos call it vim-enhanced Aug 03 05:30:41 I guess I don't know much about FSO. Does it uses GTK, python? Aug 03 05:30:43 i notice that FSO intends to use python which is apparently not even installed on my 2007.2 image Aug 03 05:31:17 there's a vid of FSO1 Aug 03 05:31:23 are there any public FSO2 jffs2 images, or are we all supposed to build them separately? Aug 03 05:31:25 yeah, I saw that Aug 03 05:32:01 cjb: there's public ones ref'd from the wiki's Distributions page Aug 03 05:32:05 pjz: thanks Aug 03 05:32:11 pjz: how much kB/s you had when you dl from that ftp? i think they changed something with my upload Aug 03 05:32:25 torindel: I think like 120ish or so Aug 03 05:32:43 beh and i hoped -_- Aug 03 05:32:57 is there a vid of FSO2 ? Aug 03 05:34:01 guess I'll install it. bored enough. :) Aug 03 05:34:09 would help if I knew that tangogps worked, though Aug 03 05:34:17 i have reason to think it does Aug 03 05:34:23 holon and i'll paste Aug 03 05:35:18 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td639945 Aug 03 05:35:32 "Fact is: Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software, in fact we all like Aug 03 05:35:32 Tango GPS a lot. It talks nicely to our opgsd implementation and will be Aug 03 05:35:32 included by default in the FSO milestone2." -- mickey Aug 03 05:35:52 hm: Aug 03 05:35:57 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 03 05:36:02 should there be a gta02 rootfs too? Aug 03 05:36:06 or do they share the same rootfs? Aug 03 05:36:13 huh, cool Aug 03 05:36:38 pjz: does just "vim" will be python enabled? Aug 03 05:37:04 since theres no -python nor -enhanced bb Aug 03 05:37:04 cjb, based on a mailing list article, it's later on just not on teh first page? Aug 03 05:37:22 i can build gvim too Aug 03 05:37:37 orzo: oh.. can't see it Aug 03 05:38:05 cjb: it has a .summary extension Aug 03 05:38:10 Voyd: oh! Aug 03 05:38:13 do you use a freerunner, cjb? Aug 03 05:38:18 I thought that would just be the sumtool output Aug 03 05:38:20 orzo: yes Aug 03 05:38:26 torindel: it's a build option when you're building vim; you'll have to figure out how to turn it on, and then the result will probably still be a package named 'vim', but it will allow python scriptin Aug 03 05:38:34 Voyd: Thanks. Aug 03 05:38:43 Voyd: Flash it normally, even though it ends in .summary? Aug 03 05:39:03 cjb: i am actually here because i am having problems with it Aug 03 05:39:16 pjz: i'll just first try to build it normally Aug 03 05:39:17 vim and python sounds kind of heavy for my neo1975 Aug 03 05:39:34 Voyd: well, I guess I'll flash it and then we can both have the same problem :) Aug 03 05:39:48 i thought busybox and zenity might be a better idea Aug 03 05:39:56 cjb: i'll see if i can track down the thread on the mailing list where it was discussed Aug 03 05:40:03 pjz: then i can try with --with-features=big Aug 03 05:40:48 Voyd: I tracked down one, but everyone just said to use the summary Aug 03 05:40:56 torindel: hrm, yeah, try that and then maybe poke around in the resulting config files and see if python is enabled Aug 03 05:41:31 torindel: or jsut put it up and I'll pull it down and install it and see if it works :) Aug 03 05:42:05 pjz: ok normal build on ftp Aug 03 05:42:35 cjb: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024608.html Aug 03 05:43:38 Voyd: yeah, saw that one. it's flashing now. Aug 03 05:43:55 cjb: let me know how it goes Aug 03 05:45:02 OK....i'm reading the Import Vcf Contacts wiki...but I don't understand how to get my .vcf from evolution into my contacts...do i run the python script against the .vcf file? it mentions a .txt file Aug 03 05:45:18 pjz: compiled gvim also Aug 03 05:45:46 http://is.gd/1d6f Aug 03 05:47:06 augh, git depends on perl Aug 03 05:47:09 * pjz forogt Aug 03 05:50:45 pjz: ok its there Aug 03 05:51:23 Voyd: it's booting now. Aug 03 05:53:41 torindel: wow, cool. downloading again! Aug 03 05:54:25 cjb: did you build dfu-util from source or download a binary? Aug 03 05:54:35 * torindel wants microb for moko -__-; Aug 03 05:54:49 "People report that despite its infancy, e.g. the phone server part in FSO is already more solid than anywhere else. " Aug 03 05:54:55 what is "the phone server part" ? Aug 03 05:54:59 torindel: okay, tried out vim and python's not enabled in it Aug 03 05:56:17 pjz: and gvim? Aug 03 05:56:47 Voyd: binary Aug 03 05:57:04 I can't work out, with FSO2, whether the GSM is working Aug 03 05:57:10 tried to make a call, didn't seem to work Aug 03 05:57:11 orzo: the thing that lets you call/receive calls/send/receive sms/check contacts Aug 03 05:57:38 cjb: you cant start dialler or? Aug 03 05:57:52 torindel: haven't tried gvim yet :) Aug 03 05:58:06 torindel: still downloading perl.. wow, it's down to 13k/s Aug 03 05:58:14 cjb: what version of dfu-util? Aug 03 05:58:18 torindel: can start dialer, when I make a call it says "release" immediately Aug 03 05:58:36 Voyd: dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160 Aug 03 05:58:46 torindel: up to 15... no, 16kb/s now Aug 03 05:59:33 pjz: you should have same speed as earlier Aug 03 05:59:42 i'm not sending/dling anything Aug 03 05:59:58 cjb: care to debug that? Aug 03 06:00:30 cjb: and you are just using the preinstalled version of u-boot? Aug 03 06:00:49 torindel: sure Aug 03 06:00:51 Voyd: yes Aug 03 06:01:09 torindel: is there a gsmd log somewhere? Aug 03 06:01:15 is there any major feature improvements in using a different uboot? Aug 03 06:01:21 torindel: I have an AT&T SIM which sometimes takes an extra reboot to register. Aug 03 06:01:57 oh dear Aug 03 06:02:22 dns53: I think there's one related to power on with low battery Aug 03 06:02:31 hm Aug 03 06:02:48 cjb: ssh to moko kill frameworkd, and start it in ssh (python /usr/bin/frameworkd) Aug 03 06:03:05 torindel: ok, moment. I haven't heard any sound from the interface at all yet; is that expected? Aug 03 06:03:08 and post log from that when you make call Aug 03 06:03:18 I haven't installed the modules.tgz yet, am doing that now Aug 03 06:03:23 maybe the sound driver's in there or something? Aug 03 06:03:37 cjb: theres only call sound Aug 03 06:03:43 and it should work Aug 03 06:03:54 (phone ring) Aug 03 06:03:55 kk Aug 03 06:04:32 torindel: perl needs libperl5 Aug 03 06:04:57 ah, just tried calling, didn't ring Aug 03 06:05:18 has anyone successfully imported contacts? Aug 03 06:05:25 on 2007? Aug 03 06:06:10 pjz: done Aug 03 06:06:30 undrwater: successfuly? you mean like 50%? ;] Aug 03 06:06:40 is there a nano package for OM ? Aug 03 06:06:43 2007.2 contacts are bugged Aug 03 06:06:44 torindel: uh... now downloading at 2k/s Aug 03 06:06:45 torindel: tried again with frameworkd running under ssh, same. Is there a way to kick GSM into trying again? Aug 03 06:06:51 o_O Aug 03 06:06:52 torindel: or to see the gsm log? Aug 03 06:07:04 torindel: yeah...i can't even get 1% Aug 03 06:07:38 pjz: i can restart dsl but i doubt it'll help Aug 03 06:08:07 cjb: paste frameworkd log first Aug 03 06:08:47 torindel: http://pastebin.com/m14bb923d Aug 03 06:09:02 cjb: later you can turn on debug in parser to get it very spammy if there wherent anything interesting in normal log;] Aug 03 06:09:13 torindel: hrm, okay. I'll just be patient... very patient :) Aug 03 06:10:00 cjb: anything more? Aug 03 06:10:09 cjb: close / start zhone Aug 03 06:10:14 and try calling again Aug 03 06:10:14 k Aug 03 06:10:19 how do I close an app? :) Aug 03 06:10:26 upper bar Aug 03 06:10:37 expand it and select remove Aug 03 06:10:48 ok Aug 03 06:12:01 torindel: all working :) Aug 03 06:12:08 last time I didn't get the operator name and blue bar Aug 03 06:12:15 (and didn't realize to expect it there) Aug 03 06:12:29 so you wherent registered to the network Aug 03 06:12:32 right Aug 03 06:12:50 try booting moko normally and see if it registers Aug 03 06:13:04 will do. I know the SIM is dodgy, so I wouldn't blame you if it doesn't :) Aug 03 06:13:13 is there a wifi selector for FSO yet? Aug 03 06:13:20 nope Aug 03 06:13:25 I think there's two, but neither is packaged Aug 03 06:13:26 cool. could I write one? Aug 03 06:13:36 are we interested in running NetworkManager? Aug 03 06:13:38 yep, just look at framework Aug 03 06:13:40 check projects.openmoko.org Aug 03 06:13:45 some things are started Aug 03 06:14:14 ah, I see Mofi Wifi Aug 03 06:15:28 write something that uses fso framework Aug 03 06:15:51 yeah Aug 03 06:16:12 there's no current fso project for wifi, then? Should I take part in specifying the dbus interface, or should we just use NM, or should we not use a dbus interface at all? Aug 03 06:16:17 heh my cat requires some love ;] Aug 03 06:16:19 torindel: it just sped up for some reason Aug 03 06:16:29 pjz: wasnt me Aug 03 06:16:41 heh Aug 03 06:16:49 * pjz waits for git to finish installing Aug 03 06:17:01 cjb: dbus + fso Aug 03 06:17:02 it's a rather large package Aug 03 06:17:04 20Mb Aug 03 06:17:30 i dont like nm even on normal pc ;] Aug 03 06:18:18 torindel: well, writing robust wifi support is hard these days, with WEP/WPA/WPA2/WPA+/etc :) Aug 03 06:18:26 so seems like it would be best to use NM Aug 03 06:19:00 cjb: nm uses wpa_supplicant for that anyways Aug 03 06:19:22 yah, most of the chrome just calls cmdline stuff underneath anyway Aug 03 06:19:29 torindel: yup. Aug 03 06:19:33 iwconfig and wpa_supplicant and etc Aug 03 06:19:48 * pjz did some work on ieatlint's lint-wifi thing Aug 03 06:20:00 pjz: is that for FSO? Aug 03 06:20:19 ah, I see, pygtk Aug 03 06:20:42 cjb: it's for whatever can deal with pygtk Aug 03 06:20:55 torindel: okay, cool, git is solved Aug 03 06:21:10 cjb: idea about fso is that app doesnt touch hardware Aug 03 06:21:28 torindel: nod. NetworkManager has the same idea. :) Aug 03 06:21:45 i.e. it doesnt know if you're in no radio zone nor anything about profiles etc Aug 03 06:22:24 woo, git is *fast*, even on gta02 Aug 03 06:22:32 cjb: i meant idea that app cannot change things directly Aug 03 06:22:48 even if it wanted too, it have to use framework Aug 03 06:23:19 well, even NetworkManager has a distinction between NetworkManager->NetworkManagerDispatcher->wpa_supplicant. Aug 03 06:23:31 torindel: gvim conflicts with vim; I'd like to be able to run it in a terminal, so I don't want to remove regular vim Aug 03 06:23:47 Anyway. I don't mean to sound like I love NetworkManager. I like it more than I like reimplementing wifi support from scratch. Aug 03 06:24:11 cjb: it's not so much reimplementing wifi support as it is reimplmenting wifi chrome Aug 03 06:24:13 hm, looks like FSO ships with an invalid setup for opkg. Which one should be used? Aug 03 06:24:26 pjz: yeah, maybe. Aug 03 06:24:33 cjb: but it doesnt know anything about phone profiles -__-; Aug 03 06:25:00 torindel: see if you can find a +python switch in the vim build Aug 03 06:25:02 cjb: plus i think theres some work started in framework Aug 03 06:25:18 * pjz should figure out how to pull down the source for the vim pkg Aug 03 06:25:20 networkmanager always had an excessive amount of overhead i always thought Aug 03 06:25:59 ieatlint: then we should help them out by working out where the overhead is and pushing it into a layer we don't have to adopt, I guess. Aug 03 06:26:37 i only work on proprietary, closed source software Aug 03 06:26:41 it's rare that an upstream project will be perfect for you. the scale benefits of adapting to its quirks are usually worth it, since something like NM is maintained by many people. Aug 03 06:26:43 microb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2590390805/ , http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2590390805/ , http://browser.garage.maemo.org/pics/maemo-org.png Aug 03 06:27:16 ieatlint: You picked a bad language to implement lint-wifi in, then :) Aug 03 06:27:22 cjb, it's not that it's not good, it's that it's not oriented towards mobile devices with no real keyboard and small resolution Aug 03 06:27:34 ieatlint: oh, of course we need a different UI Aug 03 06:27:42 but that's already supported Aug 03 06:27:50 perhaps i'll look into it Aug 03 06:27:50 there's the gnome network-manager panel, KNetworkManager, etc Aug 03 06:27:59 although i am a bit annoyed with the disappearance of pygtk from the repos Aug 03 06:28:09 what you guys think about that ^ Aug 03 06:28:12 I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think they have the right abstraction already Aug 03 06:28:26 how do you shut down a phone running fso? Aug 03 06:28:44 dns53: shutdown -h now Aug 03 06:28:52 heh Aug 03 06:29:12 removeing the battery also works Aug 03 06:29:18 * pjz nods solemnly. Aug 03 06:29:29 what i really need is to get a proper toolchain setup so i can build gtk apps inc Aug 03 06:29:32 in c Aug 03 06:29:39 hah, that FSO ringtone is.. interesting Aug 03 06:29:50 cjb: what is it? Aug 03 06:30:02 * pjz hasn't called his fso2 imageyet Aug 03 06:30:08 some techno thing that sounds mostly like white noise and vibration Aug 03 06:30:27 with a hint of construction work Aug 03 06:30:33 it's arkanoid theme Aug 03 06:30:39 like, the original one Aug 03 06:30:50 that'd do it :) Aug 03 06:31:40 "(AMIGA) sidtune w/ header v2, 20 songs, default song: 1 name: "Arkanoid" author: "Martin Galway" copyright: "1987 Imagine"" Aug 03 06:31:48 cjb: thats arkanoid Aug 03 06:31:48 ;] Aug 03 06:32:44 pjz: ok cleaning and rebuilding vim Aug 03 06:34:20 torindel: you're likely going to have to manually poke at the vim config to try and enable python scripting Aug 03 06:34:24 torindel: do you think python can run fast enough on the phone? Aug 03 06:34:38 cjb: fso is largely python Aug 03 06:34:52 I thought using C on 2007.2 made quite a bit of sense, because python runs pretty slowly on the FR. Aug 03 06:34:55 pjz: yea i enabled python and python interpreter Aug 03 06:34:57 pjz: yeah Aug 03 06:35:03 cjb: so I think it's been proven to run okay Aug 03 06:35:08 torindel: ah, cool, thanks! Aug 03 06:36:14 pjz: it doesnt apear to love us: /home/shadow/Projects/openmoko/fso-current/build/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/include/python2.5/pyport.h:734:2: error: #error "LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform (bad gcc/glibc config?). Aug 03 06:36:32 torindel: ah. ow. Aug 03 06:36:45 i ran into that more than a few times Aug 03 06:37:05 ieatlint: fixed that before? Aug 03 06:37:22 it's a cross compile issue i know.... Aug 03 06:37:42 one sec, trying to lookup if i did have a solution Aug 03 06:37:55 i remember google was flooded with that error Aug 03 06:38:33 heh, this error pisses me off: configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling Aug 03 06:39:04 just comment out the #error in pyport.h if you're certain it won't hurt Aug 03 06:40:31 he's got a point Aug 03 06:41:11 pjz: ok you'll be a test rabbit Aug 03 06:41:38 torindel, you're on 64bit, right? Aug 03 06:41:50 torindel: no worries :) Aug 03 06:43:29 torindel: it's up there now? Aug 03 06:43:50 I wonder if anyone's working on switching FSO over to glamo instead of fbdev Aug 03 06:44:16 ieatlint: yep Aug 03 06:44:57 oh, I assumed the top applets would be Python Aug 03 06:45:03 but looks like they're C/illume? Aug 03 06:45:15 cjb: well this looks like glamo: /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga Aug 03 06:45:20 agreed Aug 03 06:45:21 http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-March/001722.html and http://bugs.python.org/issue1597850 talk about it Aug 03 06:45:29 just noticed that. Someone else said it used fbdev. Aug 03 06:45:34 I wonder why the compositing is so slow Aug 03 06:45:40 for e.g. the menu pulldowns or finger scrolling Aug 03 06:45:58 I was hoping they were unaccelerated, I guess Aug 03 06:46:22 I see, it's ASU that uses fbdev Aug 03 06:47:37 did someone had the following issue which probably arises from uboot: my freerunner waked up from a shutoff and all data on the microsd was missing, corrupted?! Aug 03 06:48:10 I've had that too. Aug 03 06:48:20 malik1972: it's a filed bug. Aug 03 06:48:33 in the bug tracker? Aug 03 06:48:38 it's particularly deja-vu for me, because OLPC had exactly the same bug (partition table corrupted after suspend) Aug 03 06:49:02 torindel: well, I'll have to play test rabbit tomorrow; I'm going to bed now Aug 03 06:49:06 nothing to do? repartition and put the data back? Aug 03 06:49:15 torindel: thanks for getting git working for me ! Aug 03 06:49:29 cjb: what did you do? Aug 03 06:49:40 malik1972: I think there's a way to recover the partition table Aug 03 06:49:46 it's not the data that's gone, just the table Aug 03 06:49:54 malik1972: we added a delay to resume that seemed to workaround the problem Aug 03 06:50:42 cjb: do you have a link with the workaround? fdisk gives me no partition table Aug 03 06:51:36 cjb: the problem come from uboot right? Aug 03 06:51:57 malik1972: no, kernel Aug 03 06:52:07 ohhh Aug 03 06:52:31 malik1972: the workaround is a kernel patch for the OLPC kernel. I don't know if there's a workaround for the openmoko kernel yet. Aug 03 06:52:32 cjb: i use mwesters kernel Aug 03 06:52:50 oh, you mean how to recreate the partition table. I dunno. Aug 03 06:53:08 with fdisk Aug 03 06:53:17 or? Aug 03 06:54:27 yes Aug 03 06:54:32 but I don't know any more details. Aug 03 06:55:06 it would be nice to do that otherwise some users will get crazy as it seems to happen quite often:-) Aug 03 06:55:32 yeah. the workaround is not to use suspend/resume. Aug 03 06:55:46 malik1972: if you remember what you typed in fdisk it'll work if you type same thing Aug 03 06:55:52 XorA|gone: send me an email when you have a chance, bkruse@openmoko.org Aug 03 06:56:01 is there any python access to gsmd in 2007.2 ? Aug 03 06:56:35 matholio: use fso, you'll have full python access to gsm, gps etc Aug 03 06:56:37 matholio: there's no python in 2007.2. Aug 03 06:57:01 cjb: no, i didnt used suspen/resume. i shut the freerunner down and the issue arised after the booting process Aug 03 06:57:59 sfdisk give command-line partition dumping/restoring/verifying Aug 03 07:00:06 yeah, i guess i have to backup it the next time Aug 03 07:00:24 torindel: hey, how does frameworkd decide whether the user's idle? Aug 03 07:00:37 anyone got an idea why my AUX button is shining red? Aug 03 07:02:34 W: has usb networking died as well? Aug 03 07:03:06 wonka: same here Aug 03 07:03:14 (I'm seeing the same issue... no answers yet) Aug 03 07:03:46 baird: someone told me that there is a reorganizing concerning the modules Aug 03 07:05:01 out of date modules, then? Aug 03 07:05:08 see http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052 Aug 03 07:05:21 torindel: ah, I looked at the source. It opens /dev/input/eventN and looks for idleness that way. Aug 03 07:06:34 so.. a usb watchdog? Aug 03 07:07:26 i am lost with fdisk Aug 03 07:07:54 python... "import soul;" Aug 03 07:08:01 'night all Aug 03 07:08:22 it shows me the 1021 cylinders, before it was a different "division" Aug 03 07:10:16 Openmoko has a problem Aug 03 07:10:16 Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Aug 03 07:10:23 hehe Aug 03 07:11:55 what a start in a new day, the freerunner wakes itself up, the sd partition table is corrupted and possible solution could not be retrieved as om is down Aug 03 07:13:14 where is the plane crashing on my desktop?;-) Aug 03 07:22:18 is there any docs on how the app.desktop should/can be used? Aug 03 07:22:43 I want a shortcut to a bash script. Aug 03 07:25:44 * torindel is back Aug 03 07:26:06 matholio: normally as you would on desktop Aug 03 07:27:08 matholio: existing desktop file should be enough for example Aug 03 07:40:04 fixed Aug 03 08:13:59 are there any software repo's for qtopia? Aug 03 08:17:59 dns53: yes Aug 03 08:18:24 any idea where? Aug 03 08:18:28 dns53: http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo/ Aug 03 08:18:49 dns53: not much ... but ... Aug 03 08:19:56 hey. my battery is discharging too fast Aug 03 08:20:10 i'm using om2007.2 with the 20080801 image Aug 03 08:20:12 is this common? Aug 03 08:20:21 i'm unable to use it as a phone, basically. Aug 03 08:20:24 :(( Aug 03 08:20:28 is here any expert for git / stgit? Aug 03 08:20:32 any suggestions/patches? Aug 03 08:20:44 or is there a replacement i need for my bat Aug 03 08:22:09 Hi. I'm looking for opkg feeds (or really what to put in /etc/opkg/ config files) for FSO. Aug 03 08:22:59 can anybody explain to me how i can extract the currently used series / patches from the git tree? Aug 03 08:24:16 git pull ? Aug 03 08:24:49 git pull is fine, but i want only the patch set Aug 03 08:25:54 chefo: you want to transplant it? Aug 03 08:26:10 ronny: yes Aug 03 08:27:14 git can do that, i just dont remember how Aug 03 08:29:16 Guilt: how fast is too fast? Does the phone get warm? Aug 03 08:30:04 yes Aug 03 08:30:06 a bit. Aug 03 08:30:21 it discharges as quickly as 3 hours or less Aug 03 08:30:28 ronny: after much pain with software versions both on svn and git, i now want to go my own way. as an example i can name the "devirginator" package which points to non-existing files on the web, the openocd files are not usable with recent openocd versions and so on Aug 03 08:30:33 sometimes even after charging it discharges in 1 hr or so Aug 03 08:31:07 i'm using OM 2007.2 Aug 03 08:31:14 does it have the necessary patches first? Aug 03 08:32:58 cat /proc/apm : 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x03 35% 213 min Aug 03 08:33:08 that's bad.. it takes 3 more hours to charge? Aug 03 08:39:06 i'm going to use fbdev instead of glamo Aug 03 08:39:32 does this apply for the freerunner also? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host Aug 03 08:42:50 Guilt: only charges w/ 500mA, but guess how much power the phone uses when switching all hardware on... Aug 03 08:43:47 thus it gets warm. I forgot how many suspend capabilities 2007.2 had (and/or know what 20080801 image has) Aug 03 08:46:38 the phone charges with 1A using the wall charger Aug 03 08:47:11 and in theory, if you do a usb y-cable, drawing power from 2 usb ports, you can pull 1A while connected to a computer Aug 03 08:47:46 does this apply for the freerunner also? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host Aug 03 08:47:59 (note that certain usb controllers are not able to supply 1A, and you may fry your usb controller if not [try using a powered usb hub]) Aug 03 08:49:34 oh, and that the phone won't charge with 1A unless there is a specific capacitor in it (like there is in the wall charger) or you force it to using a setting in /sys Aug 03 08:49:55 in it == in the usb cable Aug 03 08:50:43 the y-cables are used often enough for external hdds, so you can probably find one without too much effort.. Aug 03 08:51:53 aggtrfrad: what part of it? all the sys devices are there but I can't get any devices to work properly Aug 03 08:52:13 aggtrfrad: looks like it's not getting enough power Aug 03 08:52:16 the first part Aug 03 08:52:32 setting host mode and setting power supply Aug 03 08:53:10 well they talk about 500mw so... Aug 03 08:54:39 and that part doesn't seem to work Aug 03 08:55:21 ieatlint: Aug 03 08:55:28 ping! Aug 03 08:55:30 aggtrfrad: but I'm on FSO right now Aug 03 08:55:32 hey kd8ikt Aug 03 08:55:49 lol checkout wifiweasel Aug 03 08:56:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel Aug 03 08:57:06 i was thinking if i adhoc fallback and/or a bunch of default easy passwords for all encrypted nets like 12345678 Aug 03 08:57:23 hah Aug 03 08:57:38 that'd be a neat trick though of it while i was at a place with no wifi, depressing Aug 03 08:57:46 i've got a lot of work to do and i'm doing nothing... yay Aug 03 08:58:00 lol i just smoked some doobage Aug 03 08:58:35 liek the weasel? Aug 03 08:58:45 did that eralier today Aug 03 08:58:46 i'm going through a stack of old hdds seeing if there is anything interesting on them Aug 03 08:58:50 funneh Aug 03 08:59:05 heh prolly vind some old scummvm games Aug 03 08:59:22 i think i lost my stylus Aug 03 09:00:07 ever since i put a d/l link to lint-wifi i think more poeple are trying it (precompiled bins Aug 03 09:00:29 my apache access log has been blowing up Aug 03 09:00:32 yeah, although you should know, the gpl says that you must including the source :P Aug 03 09:00:55 lol its on projects.openmoko so its all gravy i didnt change anyting Aug 03 09:00:58 not that i really care, heh Aug 03 09:01:15 though thinking about it i coulda sneaked in a trojan Aug 03 09:01:16 ieatlint: gpl only says that source must be obtainable on demand Aug 03 09:01:18 i put the source up, but i obviously compiled it since few people have arm toolchains Aug 03 09:01:38 or the time to compile themselves Aug 03 09:01:55 need to throw the binary on the downlaod section for noobs Aug 03 09:01:58 torindel, yeah, i knew i exagerrated, but taking a binary without any reference to its licence or where to obtain the source violates the gpl methinks Aug 03 09:02:51 i'd think it just needs an ipkg conf Aug 03 09:03:01 an ipkg would be tits Aug 03 09:03:04 it can be without licence but then it should be on dl page forcing you to read it before dl Aug 03 09:03:12 yea Aug 03 09:03:23 i drank too much Aug 03 09:03:56 * torindel gives kd8ikt tits pillow Aug 03 09:03:59 go to sleep Aug 03 09:04:00 ;] Aug 03 09:04:08 i should' Aug 03 09:04:23 i had a full pint Aug 03 09:04:32 means i'm at the perfect drunkeness to code Aug 03 09:05:06 http://xkcd.com/323/ Aug 03 09:05:17 according to that, i need to drink a lot more Aug 03 09:05:19 some fugly waffle house chick was hitting on me Aug 03 09:05:39 chicken and waffles, huh? Aug 03 09:08:36 dangit lost my stylus Aug 03 09:08:56 i've been using gameboy ds styli Aug 03 09:09:03 cheap, small and convenient Aug 03 09:10:03 those lil snaky ones? Aug 03 09:10:12 no, the standard ones Aug 03 09:10:27 ~5" long Aug 03 09:10:40 err, more like 4 i suppose Aug 03 09:10:41 i want me a bluetooth headset Aug 03 09:11:04 i've got one, they rule Aug 03 09:11:12 although currently do not work on the FR Aug 03 09:11:13 kd8ikt: get two, you'll have stereo ;] Aug 03 09:11:20 i need to fix that Aug 03 09:11:37 i used to sit on the bus and on trains listening to audiobooks over it using my old phone Aug 03 09:11:39 shouldnt be too hard to setup Aug 03 09:11:53 need to recompile bluez Aug 03 09:12:25 i installed the mokomakefile toolchain in like 4 or 5 hours, and then haven't touched it Aug 03 09:12:28 i used my old phone with asterisk once (blutooth) Aug 03 09:31:13 has anyone tried to install debian? Aug 03 09:31:52 dns53, the short answer is yes, but not me ;) Aug 03 09:32:12 * Kamping_Kaiser has it as a 'todo' still Aug 03 09:34:39 any specific point in installing debian, really? Aug 03 09:35:49 existing packages. lots of Aug 03 09:35:51 you have a lot of software there Aug 03 09:36:03 they have a binary arm branch? Aug 03 09:36:21 yes Aug 03 09:36:23 they have a branch for most archs Aug 03 09:38:12 * Kamping_Kaiser mutters about 'do they have an arm branch' Aug 03 09:40:16 ~lart portaudio Aug 03 09:40:16 * apt cats /dev/urandom into portaudio's ear Aug 03 09:44:47 when you boot off a memory card it should just work if you have a uImage.bin one one of the partitions? Aug 03 09:51:53 cool debian does work, so you just partition the card, create a fat and put a uImage.bin on that partion, you then make a ext3 partition to contain the contents of the tar Aug 03 09:52:45 ext2 works better for me Aug 03 09:53:03 but everything works so far, if you copy Xfbdev and Xglamo from some other distro Aug 03 09:53:32 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rfbd3fbb81351 10/packages/portaudio/portaudio_0.0.19.bb: [portaudio] make recipe not blow up, doesnt compile but at least bitbake Aug 03 09:53:32 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r719fefbfc66c 10/packages/portaudio/portaudio-v19_20071207.bb: [portaudio-v19] inherit pkgconfig to install .pc files Aug 03 09:53:33 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r584e46b07d15 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] increment libogg Aug 03 09:58:40 mh, may it be that the red AUX LED means "charging"? Aug 03 10:00:17 Wonka: thats what it means Aug 03 10:23:42 ahoi Aug 03 10:24:10 hi Aug 03 10:34:28 hi, i cant do `opkg install python-pygtk`, where are the packages now? Aug 03 10:35:06 Liorithiel: is it giving an error? Aug 03 10:35:50 Melchiorre: yes, "An error ocurred, return value: 2." Aug 03 10:36:40 hmm... hang on a tick, I'll try it on mine Aug 03 10:37:05 btw, how much freerunners were sold in july? Aug 03 10:37:20 many* Aug 03 10:42:11 Liorithiel: sorry for the wait. It installed fine for me, have you tried 'opkg update' -ing? Aug 03 10:42:56 !help Aug 03 10:45:16 Melchiorre: yes, i did Aug 03 10:46:30 Liorithiel: do you know that your FR has access to the net? (Can you 'ping google.com'?) Aug 03 10:47:40 Melchiorre: yes, i can f.e. install 'python' Aug 03 10:47:48 Hi, I have a problem: after doing my first opkg upgrade on a fresh FR, X server does not start. Would someone please help me get it working? The error at http://pastebin.com/d140d3a1c is repeated 4 times before I am dropped to a login prompt Aug 03 10:48:54 moidekar: check which repositories you have set up, i had that when using scaredycat's and openmokos rep at the same time Aug 03 10:49:42 Fossi, where do I look for that? Aug 03 10:49:42 Liorithiel, have you searched to make sure the package exists? Aug 03 10:49:57 Kamping_Kaiser: it does, i just installed it Aug 03 10:50:09 nod Aug 03 10:50:24 * Kamping_Kaiser goes to reimage his kernel in the hopes he can start to use his fr again Aug 03 10:50:38 Kamping_Kaiser: :( Aug 03 10:50:47 moidekar: did you change anything in /etc/opkg/ ? Aug 03 10:50:58 Melchiorre, :\ Aug 03 10:51:28 Liorithiel: do you have any third party repos set up? I have scaredycats, and maybe I'm egtting it from there? :S Aug 03 10:51:35 Fossi: no, I didn't change anything there; the original files are all-feed.conf arch.conf armv4t-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf Aug 03 10:51:47 no, only official... i'll add scaredycats Aug 03 10:51:59 Liorithiel: good luck! :) Aug 03 10:52:02 Melchiorre, opkg can tell you where packages come from - use the tool :) Aug 03 10:52:19 Fossi: I followed the wiki to getting USB networking up, did the dropbear upgrade, the -test upgrade, and then the upgrade itself Aug 03 10:52:23 but i'm sure i installed pygtk earlier without scaredycats... Aug 03 10:52:40 After that, it said it was restarting the X server but didn't for about 10 minutes Aug 03 10:52:57 So I rebooted the phone; after that, it comes up with this error and X does not start Aug 03 10:53:28 yeha, i had the same problem Aug 03 10:53:42 Fossi, how did you sort it out? Aug 03 10:55:35 one thing i'm wondering: is there a way to save a package list? Aug 03 10:56:02 Fossi/Fossi1: you back? Aug 03 10:56:03 ha, it does work now, thanks Melchiorre Aug 03 10:56:16 i am Aug 03 10:56:17 Liorithiel: sweet, no worries :D Aug 03 10:56:45 Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean by "save a package list"? Aug 03 10:56:49 Fossi1: could you pls give me some pointers to help me get around this prob? Aug 03 10:57:07 moidekar: as is said: does opkg update give any warnings? Aug 03 10:57:16 Melchiorre, an equivilant to `dpkg --get-selections > ~/myPackages` Aug 03 10:57:38 Kamping_Kaiser: oh, right Aug 03 10:57:54 Fossi1: opkg update gave 404s on the package sigs but the wiki says that is only cosmetic and everything should work... Aug 03 10:58:07 opkg list_installed (cut or sed etc) > ~/mypackages? Aug 03 10:58:08 only cosmetic. heh Aug 03 10:58:32 Fossi1, thanks, i'll try that if it boots up :) Aug 03 10:58:51 opkg -test upgrade gave errors that gtk+ wanted to write a bunch of files that were already installed by gtk+fastscaling (not sure I have the pkg names right, best of memory of what I saw) Aug 03 10:59:42 yeah, i have that error too Aug 03 10:59:58 Kamping_Kaiser, try "opkg list_installed > file.name" - I just did that some time age Aug 03 11:00:05 s/age/ago Aug 03 11:00:21 but then again, my moko boots and i don't know why it wants to install gtk+ over gtk+-fastscaling Aug 03 11:00:25 does anybody know? Aug 03 11:01:02 Fossi1, good question :) repositories have been known to have bugs once in a while, perhaps we are in the middle of one... Aug 03 11:01:39 And my OM boots too, it's just that X doesn't start, and it's a fat lotta use without that, huh? :-) Aug 03 11:01:50 thanks guys, list_installed is it. Aug 03 11:02:09 moidekar: at some point i deinstalled some splashscreen thingy Aug 03 11:02:23 now, to update and install lots of stuff Aug 03 11:03:42 join #gentoo-kde Aug 03 11:03:57 um, no? Aug 03 11:04:08 join #foobar Aug 03 11:04:10 Fossi1, did you get X working again by doing that? I have a psplash - 0.0+svnr249-r13 package installed Aug 03 11:04:21 peje: wtf ? Aug 03 11:04:26 i deinstalled the esomething package Aug 03 11:04:52 Kamping_Kaiser: you taking a listing *before* starting upgrading? Very smart, wish I'd thought to do that! :-( Aug 03 11:05:05 peje: I'll report you to the #gentoo-kde operators Aug 03 11:05:35 Fossi1, exquisite? Aug 03 11:05:40 yes Aug 03 11:05:43 sorry no panic just first time using lost irc Aug 03 11:05:53 moidekar, i am. the really smart bit will be where i copy it off the rootfs before doing the update so if i reimage i dont lose it . Aug 03 11:05:53 CVirus: now that's something i haven't seen on freenode yet Aug 03 11:05:54 peje: oh Aug 03 11:06:09 Fossi1, well, worth a try... Aug 03 11:06:17 ah :D Aug 03 11:06:51 Kamping_Kaiser: LOL... yes... I was hoping to avoid reflashing for quite some time, but looks like I've gotten something messed up :-( Aug 03 11:07:52 moidekar, i've upgraded/installed stuff 4 times, 3 times i reimaged from scratch. i'm starting to work this whole 'unstable device' thing out Aug 03 11:08:41 Anyone know how to get the nmea stream on fso2? Aug 03 11:09:02 Kamping_Kaiser: Aaahhgggghhh!!! :-) Is THAT what I'm gonna have to do for the next few months? Glad I kept my MotoRazr as a standby!! :-) Aug 03 11:09:39 i didn't flash the moko once yet Aug 03 11:09:59 then again, i don't use it as a phone either Aug 03 11:10:01 rwhitby: read from /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 03 11:10:09 Fossi, it appears that that may be what we need to do to get a working device again :( Aug 03 11:10:09 moidekar, hehehe. i'm still using my brick as primary phone - its buggy, but i dont need to reimage it *g* Aug 03 11:10:27 Fossi, what on earth DO you use it for then? Aug 03 11:10:34 toying around Aug 03 11:10:53 compiling stuff, hacking away Aug 03 11:11:20 Kamping_Kaiser, Fossi, good idea :-) I think I'll do that for some time too, and stop complaining so much about the old Motorola :-) Aug 03 11:11:30 moidekar: i did "opkg remove gtk+-fastscaling", with some -force parameter iirc, and then "opkg install gtk+" Aug 03 11:11:35 moidekar, :) Aug 03 11:11:35 moidekar: it works. Aug 03 11:11:49 That, or perhaps get up the courage to install qtopia Aug 03 11:12:19 * Kamping_Kaiser sees lots of breakage in todays updates, and wonders if he should hold off 24 hrs Aug 03 11:12:33 Wonka, thanks - I was wondering if possible solution lay in that direction, but thought that fastscaling GTK had to be better than ordinary... will try that out next, thanks! Aug 03 11:12:44 moidekar: the best thing about qtopia is that it properly suspends ;) Aug 03 11:12:57 Fossi, you tried it out? Aug 03 11:13:16 a collegue of mine uses it Aug 03 11:13:39 ah, so... well, it'll be on my list then :) Aug 03 11:13:43 as i don't even have a simcard in, i don't care about standby times ;) Aug 03 11:13:54 Fossi, same here :) Aug 03 11:14:10 Top causes for wakeups: Aug 03 11:14:10 50.2% (574.2) : s3c2410_udc Aug 03 11:14:10 17.5% (200.0) : S3C2410 Timer Tick Aug 03 11:14:16 Was trying to get some jazz on it first - check out the packages ppl have put up already Aug 03 11:14:18 mh. i'm not too happy. Aug 03 11:14:21 actually, does somebody know if fso2 suspends ok? Aug 03 11:14:22 but ran into this prob Aug 03 11:14:29 Wonka: in many ways that's not especially relevant. Aug 03 11:14:43 Wonka: any particular method of reading /dev/ttySAC1 than 'cat'? Aug 03 11:15:12 Wonka: the biggest problem ATM AIUI IIRC is the lack of going into proper idle mode so it uses very little power when the CPU is idle. AFAIK. Aug 03 11:15:17 (I want to do this at the same time that zhone gps and tangoGPS are both reading it) Aug 03 11:15:21 rwhitby: socat... Aug 03 11:15:29 rwhitby: but i had to build that myself Aug 03 11:15:34 rwhitby: gpsd Aug 03 11:15:44 ack, use gpsd Aug 03 11:15:50 rwhitby, thanks for saturday, it was great. i just wish i'd had longer to hang around and play Aug 03 11:15:53 SpeedEvil: gpsd will work in parallel with gypsy? Aug 03 11:16:05 gypsy is a replacement for gpsd Aug 03 11:16:09 use either one Aug 03 11:16:14 rwhitby: gypsy then, IIRC it does the same as gpsd Aug 03 11:16:20 but i do not know if tangoGPS works with gypsy Aug 03 11:16:28 Wonka: here's what I'm doing. Aug 03 11:16:32 rwhitby: you don't read from the /dev if you have eitehr installed. Aug 03 11:16:34 I'm running fso2 on a gta02. Aug 03 11:16:41 SpeedEvil: it does not provide a gpsd-style tcp port interface, afaik Aug 03 11:16:44 the zhone gps application gets a fix. Aug 03 11:16:55 I run tangogps (the fso version) in parallel. Aug 03 11:17:03 the zone main screen shows two connections on GPS. Aug 03 11:17:17 Is zhone opening the GPS directly? Aug 03 11:17:21 tangogps shows no activity on the trip tab as far as seeing satellites goes Aug 03 11:17:36 And tangogps works without? Aug 03 11:17:42 strace is your friend. Aug 03 11:17:54 Or at least it's my friend, maybe it doesn't like you. Aug 03 11:17:54 apparently the tangogps on fso2 works for others, but not for me Aug 03 11:18:05 strace is my friend too Aug 03 11:18:36 Does tangogps work alone? Aug 03 11:19:32 tangogps connects to gpsd Aug 03 11:20:33 Wonka: yahoo! replacing gtk+-fastscaling with gtk+ got me X back! Tons of thanks!! Aug 03 11:20:35 gpsuy is a reimplementation of gpsy as I understood it. Aug 03 11:21:13 SpeedEvil: with other interfaces Aug 03 11:21:30 SpeedEvil: reporting stuff via dbus, not via tcp, for example Aug 03 11:21:39 Wonka: oh - I thought it supported tcp too. Aug 03 11:21:44 SpeedEvil: and not waking clients up every second to report exactly the same position Aug 03 11:21:55 Ok. Does gpspy support reading from gpsd? Aug 03 11:23:11 Note that fso2, it's not tangogps which is installed, but tangogps-fso Aug 03 11:24:00 and the built-in fso gps application (which is not tangogps) works even without a gypsy or gpsd installed or running Aug 03 11:24:44 hence I wanted to get directly at the /dev to see what it's reading and using for the zhone gps app Aug 03 11:25:02 i think the gps application diversity/splinter whatever it is called with ASU reads directly to the serial device Aug 03 11:25:11 SpeedEvil: zhone is listening to dbus signals following the gypsy spec Aug 03 11:25:38 alphaone: you've got both zhone and tango doing gps at the same time on fso2, right? Aug 03 11:25:39 Well - that implies that gypsy is not reading for some reason Aug 03 11:26:00 rwhitby: I patched tangogps to use gypsy, yeah Aug 03 11:26:23 alphaone: is that the tangogps-fso which is in the image I got from your site? Aug 03 11:26:31 the patches are in oe Aug 03 11:26:37 rwhitby: yeah Aug 03 11:26:38 gypsy just provides a dbus interface so u can choose to listen to signals emitted or not....it emits signal if position changed for example Aug 03 11:27:05 in org.openembedded.dev/packages/tangogps/files/ Aug 03 11:27:14 good afternoon Aug 03 11:27:20 They are quite hacky at the moment :-( Aug 03 11:27:38 heee alphaone .... how are the reactions to FSO MS2? Aug 03 11:27:41 alphaone: so what I want to do is get at that raw data through the same interface that tangogps-fso is using, so I can see what it should be seeing. Aug 03 11:28:03 So currently the patches use the gypsy interface exclusively and also not in the right fasion, but it works for ogpsd Aug 03 11:28:21 Rigolo: Generally pretty good I think Aug 03 11:28:35 alphaone: is an ogpsd process supposed to be running? Aug 03 11:28:39 rwhitby: dbus-monitor --system Aug 03 11:28:51 No, thats in frameworkd Aug 03 11:28:54 good to hear .... so now working hard towards MS3? and that is due in 28 days? Aug 03 11:29:21 Rigolo: right, it is Aug 03 11:29:35 I'm currently busy with SMS PDU handling Aug 03 11:30:02 rwhitby: you can also add log_level=debug in the ogpsd section of /etc/frameworkd.conf Aug 03 11:30:09 * Rigolo might be able to get his FR paid for by his new boss :-) Aug 03 11:30:20 and start frameworkd on the commandline Aug 03 11:30:32 alphaone: note that ogpsd is working fine, it's the tango which is not showing any data Aug 03 11:30:37 then see what packets it gets Aug 03 11:30:40 =DEBUG Aug 03 11:30:51 rwhitby: oh, okay Aug 03 11:30:57 * Rigolo started to work for a MVNO ... so that could be handy .. when trying to see how it works with an unlimmted GPRS subscription :-) Aug 03 11:31:13 alphaone: I want to hook in and see what tango-fso should be seeing Aug 03 11:31:24 rwhitby: Ah, right Aug 03 11:31:37 rwhitby: you're using tangogps with ogpsd, yeah? Aug 03 11:32:07 alphaone: I'm using the fso2 image from your site, with no additions. Aug 03 11:32:20 which says it has tangogps-fso installed Aug 03 11:33:31 rwhitby: what does the zhone gps page say? Aug 03 11:33:44 alphaone: it shows correct lat and lon Aug 03 11:33:54 but tango shows 0/0 sats Aug 03 11:33:56 okay, let me check here Aug 03 11:34:31 that is strange.. Aug 03 11:36:04 alphaone: for tangogps-fso to work on fso2 there'd need to be a gypsyd running, wouldn't there? Aug 03 11:36:28 rwhitby: No, frameworkd is implementing the gypsy interface Aug 03 11:36:38 or at least sufficient parts thereof Aug 03 11:37:08 ok, so frameworkd implements /org/freedesktop/Gypsy Aug 03 11:37:35 (or whatever the correct dbus terminology is for something which is the source) Aug 03 11:38:31 right Aug 03 11:38:38 alphaone: ah, so you're one of the fso team Aug 03 11:38:44 and that's exactly what zhone is using as well Aug 03 11:38:45 alphaone: so are you able to run both at the same time? Aug 03 11:38:51 yeah Aug 03 11:39:19 sure, dbus just duplicates the messages to anyone interested Aug 03 11:39:33 morning Aug 03 11:40:10 alphaone: I haven't been able to let the gsm functionality break, thought I tried (cancel, reject, even suspend); FSO1 broke quickly, 2007.2 broke even quicker. Aug 03 11:40:20 short question, my freerunner doesnt come up. If the device is powered of and lays for 2 days untouched, with full battery, could it be, that after that the battery is empty? Aug 03 11:40:20 frankly, I'm surprised, in a pleasant way :) Aug 03 11:40:30 alphaone: BTW, setting Blank Time and Suspend After Blank both to "Off" doesn't seem to work - is it supposed to? Aug 03 11:40:46 i plugged usb to my desktop pc today after the first boot and wanted to test usb networking Aug 03 11:40:46 alphaone: there are issues when resuming from suspend, tho; would it be useful to file a bugreport on that? Aug 03 11:41:08 the fr booted but was completely dead after boot (black screen) Aug 03 11:41:16 rwhitby: tangogps works here for me Aug 03 11:41:44 rwhitby: Yeah, currently illume and zhone are both trying to do blanking... Aug 03 11:41:49 alphaone: also, some text messages on my SIM are shown as 0500123456... which I assume to be some encoding issue; again, is it useful to file a bugreport? Aug 03 11:41:54 alphaone: how long would a python script be to subscribe to the gps data and print it as nmea strings? Aug 03 11:42:15 Kero: Glad to hear FSO2 is more stable Aug 03 11:42:42 Kero: Sure, bug reports are always welcome :-) Aug 03 11:43:10 ok, I'll put them on trac.freesmartphone.org Aug 03 11:43:15 Great Aug 03 11:43:35 already saw the can-not-receive-SMS bug reported by someone else Aug 03 11:44:01 rwhitby: Well, not printing as nmea strings, but a dbus-monitor --system should get you the signals alright Aug 03 11:44:31 Kero: Ah yeah. There's a fix pending for it I believe Aug 03 11:44:32 Can gypsy give NMEA if a client wants? Aug 03 11:44:51 SpeedEvil: Not really Aug 03 11:44:56 :/ Aug 03 11:45:10 Though I guess a client could regenerate the NMEA from the dbus signals Aug 03 11:45:26 It's hard to regenerate it all. Aug 03 11:46:02 SpeedEvil: Well the thing is that ogpsd isn't even using the NMEA protocol but UBX Aug 03 11:46:10 it wouldnt be hard to modify the NMEA parser code in gypsy to just dump the NMEA Aug 03 11:46:11 Ah, Aug 03 11:46:14 Which has vastly more functionality Aug 03 11:46:52 Like configuring dynamics model (pedestrian, automobile, airplane), enabling SBAS, ... Aug 03 11:46:54 alphaone: The reason is that I've found interesting things that can be done with raw NMEA logs in the past. For example, extraction from signal strengths of obscurations. Aug 03 11:46:55 no battery tips? Aug 03 11:47:20 benJIman: try leaving it on charge, off for a bit? Aug 03 11:47:25 SpeedEvil: So what information do you need to do that? Aug 03 11:47:33 beni_: check the battery with a voltmeter Aug 03 11:47:44 alphaone: GPGSVs - satellite signal strengths. Aug 03 11:47:48 I assume you just need the information conveyed via NMEA, not the nmea sentences at all Aug 03 11:47:57 SpeedEvil: That's sent via dbus.. Aug 03 11:48:32 I even want to extend the gypsy API to include whether ephemeris or almanac is available for that SV. Aug 03 11:48:36 alphaone: yeah - it's just nasty if I've got two sets of GPS logs, one in one format, one in another with no good translator. Aug 03 11:48:45 Which is something UBX can tell you, but NMEA doesn't Aug 03 11:48:54 SpeedEvil: Sure.. Aug 03 11:49:00 hm, no voltmeter here. i just followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_Battery_Charger Aug 03 11:49:03 Of course psuedoranges too would be nice :) Aug 03 11:49:05 now it boots up again Aug 03 11:49:26 (which you can't usually get from NMEA) Aug 03 11:50:15 SpeedEvil: http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/antaris4_doc.html Aug 03 11:50:17 hm, the battery symbol is nearly full Aug 03 11:50:26 so it was not a battery issue, most probably Aug 03 11:50:29 look at the ANTARIS protocol specifications Aug 03 11:50:45 pseudoranges for SVs are available, too Aug 03 11:52:36 hi can anyonev help mee wth my gps? Aug 03 11:52:43 hm, it seems I get ~16k/sec over wifi (trying to scp a file from PC to neo) Aug 03 11:52:46 I've not been that interested as I've no hardware. Aug 03 11:52:51 i.e. zupa slow Aug 03 11:52:52 cozub: compression Aug 03 11:52:59 cozub: oh Aug 03 11:53:02 SpeedEvil: ah, okay Aug 03 11:53:04 cozub: sorry Aug 03 11:53:07 gdudes wtf now -- Aug 03 11:53:11 cozub: I thoughty you meant GPRS Aug 03 11:53:19 well, scp certainly eats some cpu, but... Aug 03 11:53:23 i was using an external usb keyboard for a few days then an update kills it Aug 03 11:53:25 what speed should I be getting? Aug 03 11:53:32 cozub: sorry - it should be vastly more Aug 03 11:53:37 cozub: its fine if its from flash ext3 sdcard makes it slow Aug 03 11:53:39 The_Doctor: what's your problem? Aug 03 11:53:46 i see sattelites, al on the north pole, but i get no coordinates# Aug 03 11:53:46 dbmoodb: not _that_ slow. Aug 03 11:53:49 anyone know if there is a missing module / link Aug 03 11:53:55 -- for me Aug 03 11:53:59 rwhitby: Did you find out anything yet? Aug 03 11:54:00 looking at the gyspy code there is nmea-parse.c and some debug statements in there u can enable to dump the sentences Aug 03 11:54:04 dbmoodb: well, this test of mine was triggered by opkg seemingly taking ages over wifi and being fast over usb Aug 03 11:54:07 theocrite: have you a very recent image? Aug 03 11:54:12 so I think it is a wifi issue Aug 03 11:54:13 The_Doctor: Aug 03 11:54:20 it says there a hid usb device attached.... but doesn't work Aug 03 11:54:23 cozub: are you close to the router? Aug 03 11:54:24 I'm uing a laptop with the same AP and that works fine Aug 03 11:54:24 alphaone: I but the debug in and restarted frameworkd, but now have no screen display as a result Aug 03 11:54:30 yeah, just few meters Aug 03 11:54:45 cozub: does ping show packet loss? Aug 03 11:54:46 alphaone: any way to get it to debug to a file? Aug 03 11:54:47 debug board will probably break gps Aug 03 11:54:59 ping seemed ok, but let me run it for a more than few packets :) Aug 03 11:55:29 rwhitby: see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1371 Aug 03 11:57:13 alphaone: oh, I don't have debug board connected to this device Aug 03 11:57:19 ah, okay Aug 03 11:57:31 rwhitby: Sorry, misunderstood Aug 03 11:57:32 I meant the log_level = DEBUG line, sorry. Aug 03 11:57:42 SpeedEvil: no packet loff, but from a laptop over the same ap I get ~11 rtt, while from neo I get ~95 rtt :-( Aug 03 11:57:51 s/loff/loss/ Aug 03 11:57:51 cozub meant: SpeedEvil: no packet loss, but from a laptop over the same ap I get ~11 rtt, while from neo I get ~95 rtt :-( Aug 03 11:57:54 cozub: utterly irrelevant. Aug 03 11:58:04 cozub: at least - that's no9t causing the problem Aug 03 11:58:35 hm Aug 03 11:59:07 cozub: what does (on the phone) wget http://a.large.file do? Aug 03 11:59:15 let me try Aug 03 12:00:05 rwhitby: add filename = '/tmp/frameworkd.log', filemode = 'w' to logging.basicConfig in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/config.py Aug 03 12:00:52 mickey has added changing log configuration via dbus, but that's not in the latest images I believe Aug 03 12:01:43 SpeedEvil: doesn't say the speed, but a 100meg file says ~ 3.5h eta :-( Aug 03 12:02:42 alphaone: ok, definitely getting gps packets on dbus using dbus-monitor --system Aug 03 12:03:04 i.e. < 10k/sec Aug 03 12:03:43 alphaone: and definitely are still getting them whilst tangogps-fso is showing 0/0 sats Aug 03 12:04:17 strange Aug 03 12:04:19 SpeedEvil: what speed would you xpect/do you get, pls? Aug 03 12:04:34 alphaone: anyway, at least now I know how the data is getting there, so I can start instrumenting tangogps-fso to debug why it's not taking it. thanks for your help, I'll have a look into tangogps-fso tomorrow. Aug 03 12:05:10 rwhitby: Okay, good luck Aug 03 12:06:09 cozub: over 9000! Aug 03 12:06:19 huh, quite a difference :) Aug 03 12:06:22 cozub: well - 500kilobytes/second at least. Aug 03 12:06:23 anyone know where i can find agpsui? Aug 03 12:06:58 ah, rwhitby wail Aug 03 12:06:59 anyone got the incantations needed in /etc/network/interfaces for connecting autmagically to a wpa-psk wifi access point? Aug 03 12:07:01 wait Aug 03 12:07:12 I think I know your problem Aug 03 12:07:14 * SpeedEvil wanders off to do some assembly coding of raw GPS IF ADC software radio. Aug 03 12:07:16 well.... um... i'm trying to follow to perform the inial back up Aug 03 12:07:22 alphaone: cool Aug 03 12:07:35 rwhitby: Can you tell me your frameworkd version? Aug 03 12:07:56 frameworkd - 0.8.2+gitr20+74baa950414f1ce60a5aff2c9bd55263211c08fc-r0 Aug 03 12:08:06 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ae43a443238 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] python-odeviced has been removed Aug 03 12:08:26 (I'm building fso right now to get the latest, but it's task 1838 of 4161 at the moment Aug 03 12:09:31 rwhitby: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/changeset/1a97e68a8bfc66cc3c37d258cb018db5f6299836 breaks ogpsd claiming org.freedesktop.Gypsy as busname Aug 03 12:09:57 http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/changeset/60aa0b4f2df43e10908bbdb73711cfac995cdc36 fixes that again, but your build is in between Aug 03 12:10:26 rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should be fixed Aug 03 12:11:14 alphaone: so you rebuilt that image since I grabbed it? Aug 03 12:11:26 hm, is hte fr sd reader not capable of reading sdhc cards? Aug 03 12:11:49 benJIman: yes, it can Aug 03 12:11:55 _: yes Aug 03 12:11:59 rwhitby: Yeah, I build images more than once a day.. Aug 03 12:12:08 Every time I test a fix actually Aug 03 12:12:21 ok, the one I flashed has an md5sum of 0670fb77e39fe7012e6e674d854e9820 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary Aug 03 12:12:30 getting the latest now Aug 03 12:12:51 I could just get a newer frameworkd from your feed, right? Aug 03 12:13:35 SpeedEvil: did you mean me? (_:) Aug 03 12:13:52 rwhitby: I guess so, yeah Aug 03 12:14:33 yes beni_ Aug 03 12:16:05 anyone know where i can find agpsui - every link i find is dead Aug 03 12:16:20 ok, then i wonder, why my FR doesnt boot with my (intenso) microSD-HC 8Gb... Aug 03 12:17:09 or did you mean "yes, its not capable" Aug 03 12:17:10 ? Aug 03 12:17:16 hm i think so :/ Aug 03 12:18:57 pft. no MokoMakefile... svn.projects.openmoko.org fell off DNS Aug 03 12:19:21 * rwhitby wonders what we can put in /etc/opkg.conf to disable sig checking forever ... Aug 03 12:19:39 beni_: The FR is SDHC capable, though u-boot might have problems with the cards Aug 03 12:19:49 Kero: 88.198.93.218 Aug 03 12:19:57 thx Aug 03 12:20:35 alphaone: that might explain why it doesnt boot up with the card. how to get that running? Aug 03 12:21:06 rwhitby: Okay, I'm now building with $DATE$TIME as DISTRO_VERSION Aug 03 12:21:20 alphaone: sweet - thanks. Aug 03 12:21:22 So there should be less confusion and more images from now on :-) Aug 03 12:21:37 beni_: How are you booting? Aug 03 12:21:41 from nand? Aug 03 12:21:58 I should have my build system back up to scratch in the next couple of days - I've let it fall away while I was focusing on my gta02 hardware problems ... Aug 03 12:22:24 alphaone: i assume yes Aug 03 12:22:39 Hi All Aug 03 12:22:39 just normal boot via power button, i am just starting to play with it Aug 03 12:22:50 I finally got connected in here for the first time!!! Aug 03 12:23:10 Ive got a question Aug 03 12:23:16 alphaone: updating frameworkd fixed tangogps! thx! Aug 03 12:23:26 * Kamping_Kaiser downloads 100mb of OSM tiles Aug 03 12:23:31 Has anyone got any instructions on how to compile the kernel for the freerunner Aug 03 12:23:41 rwhitby: cool Aug 03 12:23:55 Guest47589: see MokoMakefile on teh wiki Aug 03 12:23:57 I want to try compile the latest kernel from Kernel.org with all the correct modules and then flash the freerunner Aug 03 12:24:06 can you guys actually give us md5sums of the "stable" releases Aug 03 12:24:08 Guest47589: It's more complex than that Aug 03 12:24:20 i mean its a bit fecking insecure to not have that as a basic Aug 03 12:24:22 Guest47589: the latest kenrel won't apply without patches as I understnad it. Aug 03 12:24:26 rwhitby: When I was out testing it one day I noticed that tangogps began to lag behind, so my patches might still have some problems. Aug 03 12:24:27 --- i my opinion Aug 03 12:24:30 in* Aug 03 12:24:33 Guest47589: and the patches may not work on the latest kernel Aug 03 12:24:42 Guest47589: and you have the cross-compilation issues Aug 03 12:25:15 Well from what I understand the kernels that have been built use the standard source from Kernel.org Aug 03 12:25:24 What cross compliation issues? Aug 03 12:26:03 Guest47589: setting the kernel up for cross-compilation Aug 03 12:26:12 ha, got a screenshot from my "white" screen (after suspend) Aug 03 12:26:53 alphaone: just normal boot with power butto, i assume this is nand Aug 03 12:27:09 alphaone: i am just starting to learn thingd Aug 03 12:27:13 things Aug 03 12:27:13 The makefile just builds the rootfs? Aug 03 12:27:25 beni_: yeah, should be Aug 03 12:27:38 Someone must be able to build it using the latest kernel. It would make sense, right??? Aug 03 12:27:47 beni_: Strange that that halts then. Aug 03 12:28:01 alphaone: try to flash new uboot? Aug 03 12:28:08 i would try FSO anyway Aug 03 12:28:10 Guest47589: as I understand it tehre are many patches that have not propagated upstream. Aug 03 12:28:19 hi Aug 03 12:28:21 beni_: hmm, you can try Aug 03 12:28:31 beni_: Got a MP Freerunner? Aug 03 12:28:42 yes Aug 03 12:28:55 Well yeah that make sense about the patches but there are some. Aug 03 12:29:03 that have made it upstream Aug 03 12:29:40 does anyone have a mirror of the opkg sources that are not broken? Aug 03 12:29:41 opkg is still available on qtopia. does it work on qtopia (install program and use them) ? Aug 03 12:29:48 alphaone: can you guys add /etc/frameword.conf to CONFFILES in the OE packaging? Then upgrade will ask to diff changes. Aug 03 12:30:11 rwhitby: sure, makes sense Aug 03 12:30:22 oh and can the gpg / sig ability of opkg actually be used Aug 03 12:30:28 Guest47589: MokoMakefile builds everything. rootfs, kernel, u-boot, lowlevel devirginator ... Aug 03 12:30:32 in TangoGPS how can I tell if it has downloaded the biggest set of maps for when Im on the road? Aug 03 12:30:38 Thanks for that Aug 03 12:31:19 alphaone: in this case, it did the right thing cause I wanted to delete the log_level line and it was already gone :-) Aug 03 12:31:25 is openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary the rootfs for FSO? (i wonder about the summary extension?) Aug 03 12:31:46 beni_: yep Aug 03 12:32:11 okay Aug 03 12:32:14 whats the .summary for then? Aug 03 12:32:19 beni_: for the lastest image, go to alphaone's site at http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ Aug 03 12:32:28 rwhitby: just CONFFILES_${PN} = "${sysconfigdir}/frameworkd.conf", right? Aug 03 12:32:35 thanks for the link Aug 03 12:32:38 sysconfdir Aug 03 12:32:41 I just use .jffs2 Aug 03 12:32:43 to flash Aug 03 12:32:51 Guest47589: first hit for google "jffs2 sumary: Aug 03 12:32:54 summary Aug 03 12:33:03 alphaone: yep Aug 03 12:33:16 okye Aug 03 12:34:20 mm, MACHINE="fic-gta01" should be om-gta01 these days? (been a while since I touched mokomakefile) Aug 03 12:34:38 yep Aug 03 12:34:58 "make setup-machine-neo" does that for you Aug 03 12:35:21 rwhitby: ok, i then need: fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin? Aug 03 12:35:29 and the dfu-util of the site Aug 03 12:35:35 ? Aug 03 12:35:38 ha, that makes sense (saw make setup-machine-freerunner somewhere) Aug 03 12:35:40 beni_: any dfu-util will do Aug 03 12:35:52 (e.g. debian lenny has dfu-util now) Aug 03 12:35:53 the dfu-util i downloaded doesnt work here Aug 03 12:36:00 rwhitby: oh nice Aug 03 12:36:02 i try that Aug 03 12:36:11 id like to try the debian distro but this doesnt work Aug 03 12:36:23 rwhitby: I'll add that to the wiki, since setup-machine-neo is not listed there! Aug 03 12:36:27 and optware has dfu-util for about 20 different types of routers and NAS boxes with USB ports :-) Aug 03 12:36:59 * rwhitby usually flashes the neos from his Freecom FSG-3 router Aug 03 12:37:20 cat armel-chroot-first-stage.tar.gz | ssh root@192.168.0.202 tar -C /media/card -xzvf Aug 03 12:37:25 that line on the wiki doesnt work Aug 03 12:37:29 can anyone advise Aug 03 12:37:37 in fact, flashing a neo from another neo should work - the start of SkyNet Aug 03 12:37:56 Just chroot to the sd, and dd Aug 03 12:37:57 Guest47589: just scp the file over, and untar it on the device Aug 03 12:38:26 Thanks :-) Aug 03 12:39:10 has anyone tryed the debian distro on the freerunner? Aug 03 12:39:28 Still needs a >512MB microsd card, it seems. Aug 03 12:40:00 or nfs root ;-) Aug 03 12:40:03 I'd have to travel ~200kms to find the cloest place with a decent price for those.. :/ Aug 03 12:40:09 build running, going for shopping :) Aug 03 12:40:42 rw: ...hmm, tftpboot... I was doing that recently for a Agestar NAS of mine.. Aug 03 12:41:46 rwhitby: which files do i need? i fear to break my fr since i do not have any debug board Aug 03 12:42:13 (said NAS is now running Gentoo, though. http://mink.apana.org.au/ .. It was something I found at Jaycar..) Aug 03 12:42:45 beni_: you can't break a freerunner by flashing without a debug board Aug 03 12:43:10 (unless you flash it some thousands of times) Aug 03 12:43:36 what if i flash a wrong uboot? Aug 03 12:43:43 theres a backup copy Aug 03 12:43:49 you cant break brick the fr Aug 03 12:43:53 beni_: boot into nor, flash the latest u-boot for gta02v5, uImage for gta02 and rootfs for gta02 from that page. use -a and "u-boot", "kernel", and "rootfs" respectivelyt Aug 03 12:45:48 ok, so i try my luck then. thanks for cooling me down. this is all so new for me... flashing hardware etc Aug 03 12:46:33 what is the uimage for? Aug 03 12:46:36 btw? Aug 03 12:46:36 beni_: the fr is well designed to be safe. don't get blaze about other devices though :-) Aug 03 12:46:42 uImage is the kernel Aug 03 12:46:46 wrapped for u-boot Aug 03 12:46:52 ah okay Aug 03 12:50:02 is it important in which order i flash? Aug 03 12:50:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3e75ef5fcb4b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: emit 'mode' property for GetStatus() as well as the Status() signal. Aug 03 12:50:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r02703a57498c 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: document additional 'mode' property in GetStatus() and the Status() signal Aug 03 12:50:52 beni_: no Aug 03 12:51:38 alphaone: weird - on Debian Lenny the build of tangogps-fso was not able to apply patch 0002. Aug 03 12:52:07 rwhitby: oh? Aug 03 12:52:21 it's based on tangogps 0.9.2 Aug 03 12:52:29 methinks Aug 03 12:53:01 hi all Aug 03 12:53:06 hi Aug 03 12:53:21 is this : http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html valid for 2007.2 shortcuts ? Aug 03 12:54:07 alphaone: source was unpacked in tangogps-0.9.2, and patches attempted to be applied in tangogps-fso-0.9.2 directory Aug 03 12:54:50 rwhitby: I guess I know too little about debian packaging.... Aug 03 12:54:50 might need an S= line Aug 03 12:55:02 alphaone: this is OE, right? Aug 03 12:55:11 yeah Aug 03 12:55:12 wait Aug 03 12:56:25 S = "${WORKDIR}/tangogps-${PV}" Aug 03 12:56:25 ? Aug 03 12:56:39 hmm, there seems to be something missing in the current oe recipe Aug 03 12:58:36 mickeyl broke it Aug 03 13:00:22 yep, he removed the S line Aug 03 13:01:36 alphaone: are you in a position to conveniently push a fix? Aug 03 13:01:57 bummer Aug 03 13:01:59 sorry Aug 03 13:02:01 * mickeyl takes the blame and is ashamed Aug 03 13:02:01 rwhitby: If you are please do Aug 03 13:02:03 should go into the .inc Aug 03 13:02:05 let me fix it, i broke it Aug 03 13:02:09 alphaone: I'm not at the moment. Aug 03 13:02:14 mickeyl: thx. no probs. Aug 03 13:02:24 I'm just rebuilding everything and I would like to test before I commit Aug 03 13:02:34 But I guess that change is simple enough Aug 03 13:02:39 pushed Aug 03 13:02:42 alphaone: me too, and I don't even have monotone installed on this machine any more :-) Aug 03 13:02:55 mickeyl: ah, cool Aug 03 13:03:03 thanks Aug 03 13:04:09 mickeyl: how quickly is the git repo updated? Aug 03 13:04:46 (the OE trial one) Aug 03 13:05:33 iirc instantaneously Aug 03 13:05:43 my push is going on atm. Aug 03 13:05:57 you should see this by looking at the commit messages Aug 03 13:05:59 first the mtn appears Aug 03 13:06:05 then, seconds later, the git one Aug 03 13:06:22 cool, thx. Aug 03 13:06:30 hmm, argh Aug 03 13:06:32 merge confligct... Aug 03 13:08:31 now. Aug 03 13:19:12 if there anyway to switch on/off wifi via shell ? Aug 03 13:19:29 ifdown ifup ? Aug 03 13:19:58 does that power off the interface? Aug 03 13:20:04 * matholio trys Aug 03 13:20:43 still ah could come one help me out with my usb keyboard --- anyone know why i can't use it --- it appears and the dmesg doesn't say its not working -- it shows its detected i have scripted the commands to up the voltage and my my usb on the moko to be a host... so any one got any ideas ? Aug 03 13:21:14 openmoko: 03zecke * r1813466ef7f0 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Remove scroll indicator and mediaserver from the list Aug 03 13:21:14 openmoko: 03zecke * r835a5359da73 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Add some more known bugs Aug 03 13:21:15 openmoko: 03zecke * r8380a8534e80 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [modem] Allow to postpone "simready" until %CSTAT notifications arrived Aug 03 13:21:15 openmoko: 03zecke * rd4b1e0c76796 10/etc/SystemRingTones/alarm.wav: [ringtone] Replace the alarm.wav with junggle_btn402.mp3 of freesound.org Aug 03 13:21:18 openmoko: 03zecke * r22e899b30302 10/src/plugins/mediaengines/gstreamer/gstreamerplaybinsession.cpp: [gstreamer] Set the element/pipeline to READY instead of PAUSED to avoid some fd leaks Aug 03 13:25:31 to connect to the bootloader, do i need to set the uboot menu "console to usb", so i may disable auto shutdown while being inside the bootmenu? Aug 03 13:29:04 beni_: you just need to set console to usb with new uboot Aug 03 13:29:18 no need to change delay Aug 03 13:31:14 torindel: setting console to usb removes time limit? Aug 03 13:31:19 cool Aug 03 13:31:52 but then i cant flash stuff, right? Aug 03 13:33:28 you can Aug 03 13:33:52 but only when youre not conectied with terminal Aug 03 13:34:40 ok, im on debian etch and wanted to disable the auto shutdown so i can flash the rootfs without tapping AUX every 30 secs Aug 03 13:34:51 rofl Aug 03 13:35:01 but i have no ttyACM0. but ACM support is on in my kernel Aug 03 13:35:05 beni_: .... ah... will it do that ? Aug 03 13:35:55 beni_: Wow, you must have an old u-boot... Aug 03 13:36:10 dbmoodb: dont know, i am just atarting to play around using the docs in the wiki Aug 03 13:36:29 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko#Preparing_the_device_for_DFU_mode gives the tip to disable auto-shotdown Aug 03 13:36:34 beni_: also note: it will wait without timeout till you connect first time, after it finishes it'll set timeout again Aug 03 13:37:19 i.e. after you upload file timeout starts again Aug 03 13:38:34 is this channel recorded anywhere? Aug 03 13:38:59 yea Aug 03 13:42:37 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r28 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: Don't touch local.conf unless needed - saves rebuilding bitbake cache every time. Aug 03 13:46:55 hi, all Aug 03 13:47:06 I just got my FreeRunner a couple of days ago Aug 03 13:47:19 I'm trying to do an opkg upgrade, but... Aug 03 13:47:34 There seems to be a conflict between gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling Aug 03 13:47:41 Everything depends on gtk+ Aug 03 13:48:07 -nodeps Aug 03 13:49:29 hm strange. event with starting into nor boot menu i cant get any connection with dfu-util anymore now. Aug 03 13:49:30 opkg upgrade -nodeps, like that? Aug 03 13:49:58 my host pc says: Aug 3 15:49:37 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Aug 03 13:50:01 Aug 3 15:49:37 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 Aug 03 13:50:04 any ideas? Aug 03 13:53:05 beni_: googling for openmoko "device descriptor read/64, error -71" finds lots of posts Aug 03 13:53:46 hrm Aug 03 13:53:54 opkg update isn't picking up anything Aug 03 13:53:55 e_s_p: I had that earlier Aug 03 13:54:25 lindi-: fixed now thanks Aug 03 13:54:41 for some reason my kernel forgot to load the module again (had a reboot) Aug 03 13:54:49 beni_: kernel on desktop machine? Aug 03 13:55:30 yes Aug 03 13:55:37 beni_: ok, thanks for the info. Aug 03 13:55:42 but still got no acm device. Aug 03 13:55:58 e_s_p: try : opkg remove -force-depends gtk+-fastscaling Aug 03 13:56:28 make setup setup-machine-freerunner build-package-python-gtk Aug 03 13:56:37 (moko make file) Aug 03 13:56:53 can anyone tell me if I can actually power up/down wifi from shell ? Aug 03 13:57:23 wpa supplicant? Aug 03 13:57:29 matholio: strace neod that turns it off? Aug 03 13:57:42 matholio: to see how it does that Aug 03 13:58:04 lindi-: damn usb cable. it managed to slip out of the socket. now i got everything right. Aug 03 13:58:10 matholio: i can do that if you tell me how to power down wifi from gui by using only touchscreen Aug 03 13:58:19 sorry for bothering everyone with such noob stuff Aug 03 13:58:24 its not my day today i assume Aug 03 13:58:30 matholio: since it hard for me to reach the power button in the plastic case i have for openmoko Aug 03 14:01:17 matholio: thanks, I'll give that a try Aug 03 14:01:56 But I'm pretty sure the repository is empty right now. Maybe a periodic rebuild? Or a cron job got messed up? Aug 03 14:05:08 hello Aug 03 14:05:34 This is the openmoko channel :) Aug 03 14:05:53 oh? Aug 03 14:06:33 Just wondering.. does om have support for garmin ? Aug 03 14:06:56 That question is kind of the wrong way around :) Aug 03 14:07:31 anyone mess with adhoc networking? Aug 03 14:07:46 leinir: I'm not very familiar with garmin so I don't know how this works.. Aug 03 14:07:55 I know some nokia's phones have it Aug 03 14:08:10 what do you mean by 'support for garmin' ? Aug 03 14:08:12 The question should be "does garmin support om?" :) Aug 03 14:08:32 SpeedEvil: if I can use garmin on om :) Aug 03 14:08:33 Because they are closed source, there is no way for om to support it, the help needs to come from their side :) Aug 03 14:08:40 fj: what do you mean 'use garmin' Aug 03 14:08:44 fr: Aug 03 14:08:55 There's a python garmin module out there (..which I've played with) Aug 03 14:08:58 freelock: if you mean use applications from garmin, the answer is no. Aug 03 14:09:02 frojnd: Aug 03 14:09:03 SpeedEvil: use their satellite Aug 03 14:09:16 It only worked for me with yellow eTrex w/ serial, though.. Aug 03 14:09:17 frojnd: garmin do not have any satellites. Aug 03 14:09:25 frojnd: explain what you want to do. Aug 03 14:09:29 so when I'm in a car and driving from slovenia to france I can see ... Aug 03 14:09:40 all the roads, bars.. Aug 03 14:09:44 frojnd: slovenia, france, and countries in between. Aug 03 14:09:52 SpeedEvil: mhm Aug 03 14:09:57 frojnd: it has no built in autorouting application. Aug 03 14:10:18 frojnd: it has a moving map application based on openstreetmap. Aug 03 14:10:27 If you're talking about their MapSource stuff... QLandkarte has /some/ reverse-engineered support for it.. Aug 03 14:11:36 baird: I0m talking like I can connect to satellite ? and than satellite gives me back my location .. Aug 03 14:11:54 as I said I don't know well how garmin for nokia's phone is working Aug 03 14:12:16 as in garmin-made bluetooth GPS devices? Aug 03 14:12:21 does the freerunner have trouble reading all the contacts from a sim? Aug 03 14:12:28 in om2007.2 that is Aug 03 14:12:29 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r19c4b5749662 10/packages/gtk+/ (gtk+.inc gtk+_2.12.11.bb): [gtk+] kill off gtk+-fastscaling Aug 03 14:12:33 frojnd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAVSTAR -- note the owners of the satellites Aug 03 14:12:44 almien: thanx Aug 03 14:12:53 cool, FSO boots now :) Aug 03 14:12:59 and the neo has a built-in receiver for GPS Aug 03 14:13:00 im glad it finally worked Aug 03 14:13:27 Just curious... nokin n95 vs om... for the guture... which phone has more potential like in good software Aug 03 14:13:47 frojnd: good or free? Aug 03 14:13:52 I'm fan of open source but how old is om and it's development Aug 03 14:13:56 lindi-: good Aug 03 14:14:27 cool scrolling in FSO Aug 03 14:14:29 :) Aug 03 14:14:31 * beni_ happy Aug 03 14:14:36 frojnd: about 2.7 years since they first announced starting work on it? Aug 03 14:14:53 almien: that's a nice timing Aug 03 14:15:01 and how many registered or active developers Aug 03 14:15:32 for OM I mean - someone can check that number. But the things it uses (openembedded, linux, GTK, gpsd, etc) have been developed for much longer Aug 03 14:15:54 frojnd: depends on what counts as a developer Aug 03 14:16:16 * almien never registered anywhere Aug 03 14:16:17 lindi-: application Aug 03 14:16:18 kernel Aug 03 14:16:24 frojnd: i have bought the device, used it for three days, reported a few bugs, helped others and ported one app Aug 03 14:16:57 frojnd: now i'm reading the mailing list archives for the last three months so that i don't have to ask these questions on irc again and again :P Aug 03 14:17:02 lindi-: I meant as write some c code Aug 03 14:17:12 lindi-: :) Aug 03 14:17:19 frojnd: i can do C Aug 03 14:17:46 hmmm, just tried the latest fso image from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/ and now zhone hangs after entering my pin with "sending...". if i cancel the dialog after some minutes it does not register to the network, i can't access sms or the phonebook. but gps works fine. Aug 03 14:19:02 Wiedi: please reboot after firstboot-after flash Aug 03 14:19:23 tangogps is going to fill my tmpfs on /tmp/x.log ... Aug 03 14:19:24 I'll have to save the significant time investment in getting up to speed is a big PITA... Aug 03 14:19:27 Wiedi: Although that sounds like a different issue... Aug 03 14:20:03 is anyone else getting an error code of 2 after doing an opkg install? Aug 03 14:20:04 yeah, reboot didn't help Aug 03 14:20:14 no matter which image i try Aug 03 14:20:28 Wiedi: which image is that exactly? Aug 03 14:20:38 alphaone: do you think MS2 is ready for day to day use? or still too rough around the edges? Aug 03 14:20:56 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080803133233-om--gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 03 14:21:16 Rigolo: MS2 still has some issues with parsing of contact names Aug 03 14:21:19 frojnd: do you know C? Aug 03 14:21:23 one easy q. I'm f rom slovenia but on official om's page there is no slovenia. If I buy om in germany which is near slovenia or from any other q. will om work here with slovenia's vega, simobilt, t-2, mobitel, etc ? als if a user have om in germany with working gps will gps work here in slovenia and in other countries ? Aug 03 14:21:32 Rigolo: The current snapshot should be much more stable in that respect Aug 03 14:21:36 freelock: it's GSM Aug 03 14:21:47 alphaone: contacts from the SIM? or those on the phone? Aug 03 14:21:52 SIM Aug 03 14:21:55 frojnd: it's GSM - one phone system. If it's the right frequency it just works. Aug 03 14:22:08 well .. I have no contacts on my SIM .. so that is not a real problem Aug 03 14:22:08 fso images at the moment only use SIM contacts Aug 03 14:22:10 frojnd: And GPS works globally. It's the maps which vary. Aug 03 14:22:14 SpeedEvil: not those stupid hacks like with iphone ? Aug 03 14:22:16 frojnd: gps works everywhere if you can see the satellites Aug 03 14:22:19 well .. that lastone is a problem then :-) Aug 03 14:22:26 frojnd: unless someone jams the signal Aug 03 14:22:28 and the price is global ? Aug 03 14:22:29 frojnd: browse openstreetmap.com for typical maps. Aug 03 14:22:30 hehe Aug 03 14:22:30 330€ Aug 03 14:22:40 i got mine for 299EUR :) Aug 03 14:22:46 lindi-: where Aug 03 14:22:47 :) Aug 03 14:22:49 Wiedi: that image should be okay.. Aug 03 14:22:59 frojnd: pulster.de, they have raised the price now Aug 03 14:23:03 lindi-: with all the extra equipment ? Aug 03 14:23:10 frojnd: what extra? Aug 03 14:23:23 alphaone: so then "I" can not use it at the moment .... I need my contacts (I have exported them from my nokia to a vcard file at the moment) Aug 03 14:23:25 alphaone, i'll ssh in and start frameworkd with debugging, one second :) Aug 03 14:23:46 lindi-:adapter for the car Aug 03 14:23:57 lindi-: maybe a headset ? Aug 03 14:24:00 frojnd: nope Aug 03 14:24:04 Wiedi: you can just ssh into it, stop frameworkd, add log_level=DEBUG in [ogsmd] in /etc/frameworkd.conf and then start frameworkd on the command line and restart zhone Aug 03 14:24:13 does bt works with om ? Aug 03 14:24:13 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 03 14:24:15 Wiedi: Ah, okay :-) Aug 03 14:24:16 oops Aug 03 14:24:19 frojnd: no Aug 03 14:24:19 frojnd: just charger and stylus Aug 03 14:24:26 SpeedEvil: how's that ? Aug 03 14:24:27 frojnd: at the moment, it is _NOT_ a usable phone. Aug 03 14:24:34 Wiedi: Look for anything that might be an unhandled exception Aug 03 14:24:39 frojnd: you should not expect it to work as a usable phone. Aug 03 14:24:49 so, i transferred (supposedly) all my contacts to my sim using my old motorola pebl. i put it in my freerunner, and it seems only 1/5 or so of my contacts show up. is this normal in om2007.2? Aug 03 14:24:57 Rigolo: Okay Aug 03 14:25:01 SpeedEvil: neod and pulseaudio are taking 15% of cpu time constantly, i am just reading mailing lists to figure out how to fix it :) Aug 03 14:25:04 SpeedEvil: but if the price is rising ... :D Aug 03 14:25:06 Contacts will take some time on fsl Aug 03 14:25:07 fso Aug 03 14:25:22 frojnd: it's rising since it became so popular :PP Aug 03 14:25:28 And how many free space does om have ? 2,4,6,8gbs ? Aug 03 14:25:28 "On the other hand.." it's still a reasonably cheap Linux-based PDA... Aug 03 14:25:35 (just kidding, i don't know why pulster changed it) Aug 03 14:25:45 :) Aug 03 14:26:06 lindi, if you need any help in doing that, let me know. that will increase battery life exponentially Aug 03 14:26:18 frojnd: you figure out how i can remove USB power from an USB device and i'll run df -h for you Aug 03 14:26:48 frojnd: since my phone is sleeping and the only way to wake it up is to either call it or walk there and physically press the power button Aug 03 14:26:48 lindi-: just unplugge it ? Aug 03 14:26:53 can anyone comment on the speed of ASU (or should I start calling it OM2008.0 already?) Aug 03 14:27:02 frojnd: i'd want to avoid having to walk to another room where the phone is sleeping :) Aug 03 14:27:08 lindi-: :) Aug 03 14:27:22 plus the usb contacts will wear if i keep constantly unplugging and plugging them Aug 03 14:27:27 lindi-: u mentioned before, df -h it is really nice to have linux on the phone :D Aug 03 14:27:43 even rebooting the computer did not seem to remove 5V from the USB buss Aug 03 14:27:45 s/buss/bus/ Aug 03 14:27:46 lindi- meant: even rebooting the computer did not seem to remove 5V from the USB bus Aug 03 14:28:52 Battey life can be improved with development mhm... how many talking hours for om ? Aug 03 14:29:09 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Aug 03 14:29:10 frojnd: six hours of talk time say the mailing list archives Aug 03 14:29:17 frojnd: but it depends on how close to cell tower you are Aug 03 14:29:25 lindi-: cell tower ? Aug 03 14:29:52 that's not the proper term? Aug 03 14:29:55 lindi-: u mean the cell tower as providing signal ? Aug 03 14:30:21 frojnd: well, if you are close openmoko does not need to use so much energy for sending Aug 03 14:30:39 Rigolo: I was playing with it just then-- it was much more in line of my idea of an interface. Responsiveness wasn't fantastic, but an improvement over 2007.2 for certain. Aug 03 14:32:01 baird: well ... lat time I tried ASU (one week ago) I felt that 2007.02 was much faster then ASU. So now that they want to make it a formal "release" I was hoping that it would be quicker. With what version of 2007.02 did you compare it? Aug 03 14:33:45 hi - what are my options if i think my gps chip is dodgey? Aug 03 14:34:05 i haven't recieved a fix since i got the device using any image or software i've tried Aug 03 14:34:09 I'm trying to build the asu.dev tree on a powerpc and I'm getting: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: ELF file data encoding not little-endian. any ideas? Aug 03 14:34:14 The ASU images were dated 0729; 2007.2 from the factory and a 0804 image. Aug 03 14:34:22 ajbrun: whats the signal level? Aug 03 14:34:40 ajburn: Have you tried it outside away from buildings? Aug 03 14:34:48 ajbrun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems ? Aug 03 14:34:50 none as far as i know Aug 03 14:35:05 or actually Aug 03 14:35:11 There's a hardware issue caused by interference with the SD card... Aug 03 14:35:12 i'm using the FSO image at the moment Aug 03 14:35:30 booting with sdhc card now works fine :D Aug 03 14:35:36 and i don't even know if gps is on, but i've tried the 2007.2, and that definatly didn't get anything Aug 03 14:36:19 ajbrun: hmm? Aug 03 14:36:34 baird - i thought that got fixed by stopping the sd card temporarily until it got its first fix or something? Aug 03 14:36:40 ajburn: When you cat /dev/ttySAC1 do you see messages? Aug 03 14:36:44 i really need to find a way to unsuspend my moko remotely Aug 03 14:37:34 stevenS1 - nothing happens#my ssh seems to have just hung until i cancel it Aug 03 14:37:40 post your phone number :) Aug 03 14:37:57 SpeedEvil: that'd work yes :) Aug 03 14:38:35 well .. it that works .. no other phones around? Aug 03 14:39:19 Rigolo: it's connected via usb so if i only could remove power from USB Aug 03 14:39:33 ajbburn: If your not getting any messages, then the GPS might not be powered. With the gtk image you can turn it on from the menu the shows up when you press (power, I think). Or you can echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron Aug 03 14:39:33 Rigolo: i could setup RTC wakeup for my desktop computer, then shutdown -h now the desktop computer Aug 03 14:39:58 i might try the 2007.2 image again as i seem to have had more success with more packages with that Aug 03 14:39:58 Rigolo: except that i can't reach the bios of the desktop computer since it needs some special compaq setup partition :P Aug 03 14:40:44 lindi-: does compaq still do that? .. but those can be easily recreated ... at least .. as I can remember on OLD compaqs Aug 03 14:40:57 Rigolo: it's 200MHz compaq deskpro Aug 03 14:41:13 Rigolo: the computer does not have a HDD anymore at all Aug 03 14:41:14 converting tangogps logfiles to GPX - can gpsbabel do it? Aug 03 14:41:25 lindi-: how about just sending some random bits to your USB controller .. make it go crazy .. untill it stops completly :-) Aug 03 14:41:33 Rigolo: heh Aug 03 14:41:47 Rigolo: rebooting desktop computer did not seem to have an effect so i don't think that will either Aug 03 14:41:57 almien: no Aug 03 14:42:04 stevenS1 - i don't get a menu using the power button, and that command doesn't seem to have helped Aug 03 14:42:04 almien: At least not as I understand it. Aug 03 14:42:20 almien: I tried for a few moments, then just told gllin to log NMEA too Aug 03 14:42:20 lindi-: well .. those are those OLD compaqs that i talked about .. my previous company had 1000s of them (at least .. that was how it felt, no mater what you did to break yours .. you always got a new one back) Aug 03 14:42:21 i get issues with opkg using the defaut image however Aug 03 14:42:48 lindi-: but reboot leaves the power .. how about a complete shutdown .. ? Aug 03 14:43:03 Rigolo: complete shutdown probably works but then i can't access the desktop :) Aug 03 14:43:12 oo that is remote too? Aug 03 14:43:19 yes Aug 03 14:43:47 i got I/O errors from glamo if i try to access the sdhc card now. Aug 03 14:43:54 i type on laptop now. openmoko is charging from the 200MHz desktop that i use as VNC viewer and ESD server Aug 03 14:44:08 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 Aug 03 14:44:08 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Aug 03 14:44:08 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Aug 03 14:44:13 is this something i should report? Aug 03 14:44:32 beni_: if you can't find it from bugs.openmoko.org or google then yes? Aug 03 14:44:39 okay Aug 03 14:45:29 almien: actually, I think it supports a CSV option Aug 03 14:45:51 ajbrun, that power button issue is likely because your not using om2007.2, i think it's the only image with that power menu Aug 03 14:46:10 yeah - i just realised that :p Aug 03 14:46:17 changing it as we speak Aug 03 14:46:21 so, i transferred (supposedly) all my contacts to my sim using my old motorola pebl. i put it in my freerunner, and it seems only 1/5 or so of my contacts show up. is this normal in om2007.2? (sorry to ask again) Aug 03 14:46:40 or did the pebl not do its job? Aug 03 14:46:46 ajburn: Do you know if the file in /sys existed before you echo'd to it? (I guess it is hard to check now while your flashing) Aug 03 14:46:50 i'm going to suncom today to get the 4 contact sim Aug 03 14:46:58 whatever that's called Aug 03 14:47:08 i guess the latest stable release from way back in april is the 'best' one to use rather than one of the dailies? Aug 03 14:47:31 ajbrun, i use the dailys, but that is the last "stable" from my understanding Aug 03 14:47:46 stevenS1 - i'll let you know in 5 mins time Aug 03 14:48:31 lindi-: well .. then you need one of these :-) http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP7920 Aug 03 14:48:57 Rigolo: yeah right :P Aug 03 14:49:22 lindi-: or get up and walk over to the FR .. (or is that a very long walk) Aug 03 14:49:44 Rigolo: but the components will wear :) Aug 03 14:50:29 almien: examine the unicsv format maybe Aug 03 14:51:21 lindi-: well ... then I think you need to invest in some length of powercable so that you can build your own poormans remove power switch Aug 03 14:51:33 http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html <----hahahaha Aug 03 14:51:45 Rigolo: heh Aug 03 14:52:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf28bb60b1503 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it) Aug 03 14:52:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb2205815ce35 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk... Aug 03 14:53:17 mmm what does that mean ... remove qtopis from the asu image? .. just in name I would guess Aug 03 14:53:56 how do you securely destroy a USB key? Aug 03 14:54:07 with fire! Aug 03 14:54:07 woodchipper :-) Aug 03 14:54:19 like a witch Aug 03 14:55:57 starting up now stevenS1, but this time without an sd card, using the latest stable 2007.2 GTK Image Aug 03 14:56:19 Does om supports UMTS ? Aug 03 14:56:53 hey, is the headphone out of this phone exceptionally crappy? or is it likely an issue with my cable or alsa settings? Aug 03 14:57:03 because it sounded shitty in my car last night :( Aug 03 14:57:08 frojnd: well .. only the other letters from the alfabet .. but not those 4:-) Aug 03 14:57:22 take the memory out and drill it I suppose... Aug 03 14:57:23 ajburn: That image should give you a menu with the power button, turn on the GPS, then cat /dev/ttySAC1 and hope something shows up Aug 03 14:57:25 almost like a bad cable...too thick of a gauge or something Aug 03 14:57:26 frojnd: please search the wiki Aug 03 14:57:49 SpeedEvil: the conversion script is trivial (tangogps already puts out CSV with even the correct timestamp format), so no problems there Aug 03 14:57:56 almien: yeah Aug 03 14:59:38 Rigolo: looks like umts can be accomodated in om Aug 03 14:59:56 japan represents a huge place of om's users :) Aug 03 15:00:05 or a potential users Aug 03 15:00:11 stevenS1 - i'm getting lots of info Aug 03 15:00:18 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TangoGps Aug 03 15:00:20 "unknown" on every line Aug 03 15:00:31 frojnd: well ... if you can point to a "open" UMTS capable chipset with linux drivers etc ... then please let the openmoko team know Aug 03 15:00:43 i'll paste bin it Aug 03 15:00:56 frojnd: and .. it should be not hughly expensive Aug 03 15:01:07 stevenS1 - http://pastebin.com/d24f7bc16 Aug 03 15:01:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re9f59df3677d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes Aug 03 15:02:33 ajburn: That means the GPS chip is reporting data but don't have a fix yet Aug 03 15:02:46 ah ok Aug 03 15:03:08 gpssight is looking slightly promising Aug 03 15:03:16 i'll try taking it outside Aug 03 15:03:58 yeah - gps sight keeps getting the time every now and then Aug 03 15:03:59 ajburn: That's what I had to do, I can't get anything from my apartment, even from my balcony but onec I walked 100 meters away into a nearby field 12 come into view Aug 03 15:04:33 that's the problem with developing GPS apps -- you have to be outside to use them... Aug 03 15:04:39 kk - i'll let you know how it goes :p Aug 03 15:04:57 i guess i'll have to get wi-fi working after that to see maps out doors too Aug 03 15:05:46 download maps in advance Aug 03 15:10:36 haha, is everyone ignoring my questions? (i probably have asked too many :() Aug 03 15:11:11 almien: maybe you can do what lindi- is doing ... just put one somewhere remote and connect via USB to your FR :-) Aug 03 15:11:27 put it on top of your roof with a usb cable through your window :-) Aug 03 15:11:59 or find a nice and sunny country ... build a cabin from palm trees and start developing there (my favourite option of the two) Aug 03 15:12:01 almien: just hide your openmoko to a bus, then use vnc to access the ui over gprs Aug 03 15:12:18 lol, i guess so Aug 03 15:12:32 yea ... on top of a bus, then you can also get plots etc ... good thinking Aug 03 15:13:01 I my nice and sunny country scenario that would be hard .. so there just glue it to a back of a monkey or something :-) Aug 03 15:13:19 .lastlog tkep Aug 03 15:13:27 i mean .... /lastlog tkep :-) Aug 03 15:14:10 well ... just play around with alsamixer ... Aug 03 15:14:11 thanks Rigolo :) Aug 03 15:14:25 ok, will do. it's, unfortunately, hard to do so in my car Aug 03 15:14:28 I had to adjust the MIC2 settings for people to hear me correctly Aug 03 15:15:05 it'd be nice if we could get a baseline number for the different devices Aug 03 15:15:08 tkep: also there .... leave it in your car .. and then use some audio via ip via gprs to get the audio to your desk :-) Aug 03 15:15:24 haha, nic Aug 03 15:15:25 e Aug 03 15:15:44 s/nic/nice Aug 03 15:16:04 but yeah, i might hook it up to some computer speakers and play from there Aug 03 15:16:07 or headphones Aug 03 15:16:11 i'll do that later Aug 03 15:16:21 so the output *should* be good then? Aug 03 15:16:34 what device is that? (there are sooo many in alsamixer) Aug 03 15:16:38 and while you at it ... write some nice audio profile switching app :=-) Aug 03 15:16:53 tkep: well ..that is somewhere on the wiki I would guess Aug 03 15:17:11 Rigolo, if only i knew how to code. however, i am strongly thinking of using the fr as my first start Aug 03 15:20:43 Rigolo, as for the other question, are you aware of issues reading from the sim card? Aug 03 15:21:17 hello everyone, does anyone know much about qtopia (from qtopia.net) on the freerunner? Aug 03 15:21:23 * Rigolo does not use any contacts on the SIM ... but alphaone said that FSO MS2 had some issues with reading contacts from the SIM Aug 03 15:21:27 I have it running and most things work really well Aug 03 15:21:46 wow. I'm at home on the first floor and the neo just got a gps fix while lying flat on my desk... Aug 03 15:21:46 but there's no way of filtering contacts... anyone know anything? Aug 03 15:22:09 danw, is it ugly? Aug 03 15:22:12 :) Aug 03 15:22:42 tkep: current devel image of fso should have that fixed - mostly Aug 03 15:22:46 tkep: it works briliantly, far better than all the other images I tried Aug 03 15:23:04 i'm just speaking about aesthetically Aug 03 15:23:06 :) Aug 03 15:23:14 does anyone know where i can find openmoko-agpsui? Aug 03 15:23:15 I personally really like the way it looks Aug 03 15:23:19 and dan, i am actually downloading it now to try it Aug 03 15:23:23 how's battery life with it? Aug 03 15:23:25 ajbrun: community repo IIRC Aug 03 15:23:33 ajbrun: simply opkg install it Aug 03 15:23:43 battery life seems to be the other thing... there seems to be suspend, but I only got about 8 hours out of it Aug 03 15:23:44 i tried that, but it says it can't find it Aug 03 15:23:54 ajbrun: did you opkg update first? Aug 03 15:23:57 it used to work a few days ago Aug 03 15:24:00 before all the 404 probs Aug 03 15:24:02 yep Aug 03 15:24:11 i'll try again in a min Aug 03 15:24:21 i'm doing an upgrade atm Aug 03 15:25:05 hmm, you might be right, I can't get it either Aug 03 15:25:21 it's not been there for a few days Aug 03 15:25:24 i'm just wondering if someone downloaded it before it went away Aug 03 15:25:58 i don't like not having repos :p Aug 03 15:26:38 lpotter: ping Aug 03 15:26:42 i am currently having some problems with my opkg (reporting error code 2 = error parsing config file), can someone please share their working /etc/opkg.conf in a pastebin on the web? Aug 03 15:26:42 when is ASU meant to be released? Aug 03 15:26:44 packages seem to disappear periodically, IIRC I had such an issue, too Aug 03 15:26:46 opkg install mplayer dont work Aug 03 15:26:54 aevin - i get that too Aug 03 15:27:21 i have OM 2007.2 and ScaredyCat repository Aug 03 15:27:28 danw: on the OM wiki, it says august 8, but I am not sure if this target is up to date Aug 03 15:27:37 well Aug 03 15:27:41 judging by the last time I tried it Aug 03 15:27:44 it is nowhere near Aug 03 15:28:05 i haven't had it again yet on the original stable image aevin Aug 03 15:28:15 if it continues to work i'll paste it Aug 03 15:29:37 Do the gtk/qt stacks support sending control sequences (f.e. *100#)? Aug 03 15:29:43 aevin - http://pastebin.com/d590db709 Aug 03 15:29:46 this is mine atm Aug 03 15:29:54 from the 2007.2 stable Aug 03 15:30:10 but the problem still may occur - i might not have given it chance yet Aug 03 15:32:15 where are mofi configs stored? Aug 03 15:32:25 nvm Aug 03 15:32:27 found em :) Aug 03 15:32:37 ls -a (duh) Aug 03 15:34:20 tkep: do you know anything about whether qtopia apps written on qtopia "official" will work under the ASU? Aug 03 15:34:42 aevin - still getting same problem as you Aug 03 15:35:10 danw, i could not say, but based on the fact that 2007.2 ones do, there is a good chance Aug 03 15:35:13 where can I find mplayer? Aug 03 15:35:22 but then again, it seems like they would be ported quicker if that were the case Aug 03 15:35:23 ajbrun: mine is identical. but it might be some of the config files in /etc/opkg/*.conf instead. Aug 03 15:35:27 tkep: yes, but 2007.2 apps are gtk, aren't they Aug 03 15:35:30 at least as placeholder apps if nothing else Aug 03 15:35:33 I write Qt Aug 03 15:35:43 right, so i would think qt based would be even more likely because of it Aug 03 15:35:49 I hope so Aug 03 15:35:56 because right now, the qtopia image allows use as a normal phone as well Aug 03 15:36:00 but i can't say definitely Aug 03 15:36:04 and I have it syncing with my desktop PIM Aug 03 15:36:10 Martix: have a look at this ..... http://unadventure.wordpress.com/ Aug 03 15:36:15 I would say it's actually _better_ as a phone than my symbian phone Aug 03 15:36:26 yeah, i am really thinking of hopping to the qtopia image, but probably as dual boot as i want to report bugs as they become available Aug 03 15:36:33 yeh Aug 03 15:36:41 lack of a web browser is a problem, but apparently that's coming in 4.4 Aug 03 15:36:48 apart from that, only battery life Aug 03 15:36:57 and the fact that it sort of wants a proper keyboard to do somethings Aug 03 15:37:02 they are the only issues Aug 03 15:37:20 so qtopia has just as bad of battery life as the rest? Aug 03 15:37:35 i guess that makes sense, it would have to know the hardware pretty well Aug 03 15:37:36 I don't know Aug 03 15:37:37 I haven't battery life tested the other images Aug 03 15:37:46 I only got about 8 hours though Aug 03 15:37:47 danw, does it last more than 12 hours? Aug 03 15:37:51 yeah, so it's just as bad Aug 03 15:38:00 I assume battery life issues are mainly to do with the kernel, though Aug 03 15:38:12 well, there are a ton of factors Aug 03 15:38:20 I mean, what battery life are we expecting to be possible, once it's "ready" Aug 03 15:38:21 Rigolo: ok Aug 03 15:38:30 most smartphones only last 3 days at a push anyway Aug 03 15:38:30 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Using_standard_Mplayer opkg install mplayer didnt working Aug 03 15:38:39 like someone mentioned earlier, pulseaudio is constantly using something like 5-10% cpu, even when not playing sounds Aug 03 15:39:04 that's a lot of idle cpu time for something like the audio engine Aug 03 15:39:09 danw: Well, a freerunner should be able to last a considerable amount of time in hybernation :) Aug 03 15:39:24 so things like that are killing it. on top of an improperly working suspend Aug 03 15:39:43 but yes, the kernel would be what interacts with the low-level power management stuff Aug 03 15:40:20 ewww - i've just booted my freerunner after doing an opkg upgrade and now it's asking for a login Aug 03 15:41:47 haha, "root" Aug 03 15:42:01 i know, but there's no keyboard Aug 03 15:42:11 this is before the os is ready Aug 03 15:42:18 where it says angstram Aug 03 15:42:36 yeah, i know. you can ssh to it though, start working on it from there. try backing off the kernel Aug 03 15:42:58 backing off? Aug 03 15:43:29 you mean down grade? Aug 03 15:45:01 yeah Aug 03 15:45:16 drat. I seem to have managed to totally depower my battery, is there any way of getting it back without a second slightly charged battery? Aug 03 15:45:21 downgrade...sorry, that was kinda ambiguous Aug 03 15:45:37 I seem to remember loads of stuff on the mailing list but was not sure if anyone managed it Aug 03 15:46:10 so, i'm really, really starting to like this phone a lot. most of my initial frustrations are going away now that i see forward progress in a lot of areas i complained about. so cheers to all of you Aug 03 15:46:25 Tig|_, i did that, use the wall charger Aug 03 15:46:40 tkep, just tried that and no joy :( Aug 03 15:46:42 that fixed my issue. but yours may be worse off than my was Aug 03 15:46:44 dang Aug 03 15:47:32 is this the fr or the 73? Aug 03 15:47:40 I don't suppose I could hook up 2AA batteries to create a 3V supply :) Aug 03 15:47:41 FR Aug 03 15:47:52 hmmmmm Aug 03 15:49:35 sorry guys, off to suncom to get a new sim. i'll be back soon Aug 03 15:50:49 aha! fixed it :) Aug 03 15:50:55 how? Aug 03 15:51:06 and what's the type of sim card that has the 4 rows of contacts? Aug 03 15:51:10 can someone link me to a stable uImage of a kernel they're using please? Aug 03 15:51:27 pinched a battery out of a nokia :) touched the battery to the contacts (after checking the voltage etc) Aug 03 15:51:33 my phone keeps dying on both i've tried so ar Aug 03 15:52:32 Tig|_, good to hear Aug 03 15:52:34 take care Aug 03 15:53:02 tkep: cheers :) Aug 03 15:54:11 right so a tip for those in the UK, you can get a nokia PAYG from sainsburys for £10 which you can use for rescuing your freerunner :) Aug 03 15:54:18 erm... Aug 03 15:54:27 my phone seems to have died completely Aug 03 15:54:45 ajbrun: sitting at the Openmoko screen? Aug 03 15:54:45 it won't start anymore Aug 03 15:54:48 nope Aug 03 15:54:51 nothing happens Aug 03 15:54:52 ajbrun: have you tied a chicken to it, and done the penguin dance? Aug 03 15:54:59 not yet Aug 03 15:55:07 ajbrun: has the battery gone completely flat? Aug 03 15:55:07 we're having chicken for dinner though Aug 03 15:55:13 doubt it Aug 03 15:55:17 it was connected to my pc Aug 03 15:55:27 i'll wall charge it anyway Aug 03 15:55:52 ajbrun: do you know about the recent update that broke lots of things? Aug 03 15:56:34 no, but i guess i do now... Aug 03 15:56:49 i just did an opkg upgrade Aug 03 15:56:52 hang on will find a mailing list post that explains it all Aug 03 15:56:53 restarted Aug 03 15:57:14 then it asked me to login, so i updated the kernel to the stable release Aug 03 15:57:17 you need to reinstall some kernel mods and run depmod before you restart Aug 03 15:57:39 but the issue is that it won't start at all as of yet Aug 03 16:04:34 ajbrun: mine would not start as I ran into the update issue and had left it waiting on the Openmoko screen while it was hanging Aug 03 16:05:52 but while it is on that screen it is not charging the battery but will stay on which is why my battery went flat. I have just done a bit of battery swapping and flashed the kernel to an older one and restarted it on the wall charger and it has sprung back into life here :) Aug 03 16:06:26 could you link the kernel you used, just so i know? Aug 03 16:07:28 i'm using the wall charger, but it's still pretty dead Aug 03 16:07:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r48dbffd1a8dc 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Back that accidental change out. Aug 03 16:09:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r02839c26145d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Revert "[exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59" Aug 03 16:09:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd09df40f335f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [opk] Prepare to switch over to the "opk" fileending Aug 03 16:09:32 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb3f214e66cc6 10/classes/ (package_opk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [opk] First set of function name renaming Aug 03 16:09:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd4c8b4b556e4 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [opkg-utils] Add svn version of these tools Aug 03 16:09:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ree04d73174cb 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [packaging] Continue with the opk renaming Aug 03 16:09:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb5ccec63217e 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk... Aug 03 16:09:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r961740a88925 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes Aug 03 16:09:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd15ed37b9ef3 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it) Aug 03 16:09:46 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td587635 <--- just reading this Aug 03 16:10:48 ajbrun: can you post on the wiki where and when you find the latest stable along with the md5sums Aug 03 16:10:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked :( Aug 03 16:10:52 that way we can find it Aug 03 16:11:26 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Aug 03 16:11:29 it was those Aug 03 16:11:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#2007.2_GTK_Image Aug 03 16:12:28 ajbrun: what happens when you power on? Aug 03 16:12:34 nothing atm Aug 03 16:12:44 it's been charging for about 5-10 mins so dar Aug 03 16:12:46 far Aug 03 16:12:53 that sounds more like a deeply discharged battery imho Aug 03 16:13:14 If the battery is totally flat then it will not charge iirc Aug 03 16:13:31 even by charging from the wall? Aug 03 16:13:42 plus it's been connected to my pc all day Aug 03 16:14:19 nope, as I read it, the charging circuit will not fire up as it needs to know what rate to use and it cant detect that until it starts which it can't as there is no power... Aug 03 16:14:50 but i'm saying that it should have full power as it's been on my pc all day Aug 03 16:15:05 ajbrun: if it has been connected to your PC all day then this is less likely unless somehow the charging circuit has not been working Aug 03 16:15:05 but assuming it got drained somehow, that does sound right Tig|_ Aug 03 16:15:26 ajbrun: and you press and hold the powerbutton for a long time (>10sec plus?) Aug 03 16:15:34 yep Aug 03 16:15:35 and considering all the fun and games we have had with the kernel recently... :) Aug 03 16:15:41 * ajbrun tries again Aug 03 16:16:12 ajbrun: it just sounds identical to mine earlier :) Aug 03 16:16:16 Tig|_: i want the damn image / setup i had a day ago Aug 03 16:16:28 when my freaking usb keyboard actually worked Aug 03 16:16:33 dbmoodb: heh I know that feeling :) Aug 03 16:16:33 ajbrun: and disconnect it from everything first .... maybe even remove the battery for more then 1 min to exlcude any bad state of the device Aug 03 16:16:43 kk Aug 03 16:17:01 battery is out Aug 03 16:17:06 Tig|_: i'm not updating for a while now Aug 03 16:17:29 dbmoodb: and you did check what it was going to update with opkg -test upgrade first? Aug 03 16:17:35 dbmoodb: I wish you could snapshot the flash and sd card sometimes and have roll backs etc :) Aug 03 16:17:35 if the issue it updates, can they not just be removed from the repo? Aug 03 16:17:50 * Rigolo just did that .. and now I'm going to flash a latest build of FSO .. Aug 03 16:17:51 * mwester thinks microsoft has trained computer users, and now everyone blindly "upgrades" at every opportunity. :( Aug 03 16:18:01 hmm lvm on the freerunner..... Aug 03 16:18:18 Tig|_: snapshot on opkg udpate of kernel make a copy of it rofl Aug 03 16:18:33 mwester: nar dude my debians update perfectly :) Aug 03 16:18:46 Tig|_: snapshot flash is easy .... dd if=/desv/flashshowthing of=/somefile Aug 03 16:18:49 dbmoodb: :) Aug 03 16:18:49 * dbmoodb thinks microsoft should die Aug 03 16:18:53 hey - i'm back! Aug 03 16:18:53 In early development such as this, there's absolutely no reason to assume that updates will actually work; there is ZERO qa performed by anyone. Aug 03 16:18:58 battery back in and it works Aug 03 16:19:00 Rigolo: yes it is easy but we mean automatically Aug 03 16:19:11 mwester: yeah dude Aug 03 16:19:14 lets see if it fully boots now Aug 03 16:19:37 mwester: but can we have the packages /things signed and proper md5sums posted for the simplest things like the 2007.2 release ? Aug 03 16:19:45 dbmoodb: you mean automagically :-) Aug 03 16:19:48 its not md5sumed -- the fso one fecking hell Aug 03 16:19:55 is* Aug 03 16:20:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ree9c84fd60dd 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: add links to methods and signals Aug 03 16:20:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbbbc4fab7edc 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: describe methods and signals Aug 03 16:20:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r22c8ecd28f3a 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: describe errors Aug 03 16:20:16 the fso one is md5checksumed / recorded Aug 03 16:20:24 but the official one isn't what gives ? Aug 03 16:20:45 FSO is done by a different group. The nightly images are development snapshots, not releases. Aug 03 16:20:51 dbmoodb: well.. who knows .. an other reason why they started FSO in the first place Aug 03 16:20:51 "microsoft has trained computer users" .... what about us NetBSD-current users? :P :) (sup, build, boot, sup, build, boot, ...) Aug 03 16:21:13 sup ? Aug 03 16:21:20 baird: both of you? :) (kidding) :) Aug 03 16:21:21 I think you are assuming a bit too much in terms of the current state of the software... Aug 03 16:21:54 Tig|_: no offence taken-- it's a joke I make myself. :) Aug 03 16:22:00 Tig|_ - which is the kernel image you're using now? Aug 03 16:22:07 Rigolo: well the official stable should be recorded (md5sums) Aug 03 16:22:16 at least for good documentation Aug 03 16:22:29 mwester: can I just say a quick thanks for your kernel images that you have put up :) just used it again to get my freerunner back after an update snafu :) Aug 03 16:22:46 ajbrun: speak of the devil :) Aug 03 16:22:57 mwester ? Aug 03 16:23:00 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels :) Aug 03 16:23:09 ah ty :) Aug 03 16:23:13 i'll see if i have more luck Aug 03 16:24:06 Tig|_: Thanks. They're a bit behind right now; I hope to have some updated ones (with the most recent updates from the OM kernel folks) later today... Aug 03 16:24:17 cool :) Aug 03 16:24:29 thanks :) Aug 03 16:25:08 mwester: any plans to work on ASU or FSO suspend mods ? Aug 03 16:25:17 or are they not needed :-) Aug 03 16:27:00 They are needed. I haven't been able to get ASU to build recently. I need to put together some stuff for the FSO team; they've indicated that they'll add the necessary stuff as soon as I do that. :) Aug 03 16:27:04 hmm - it's on the login screen again Aug 03 16:28:31 /etc/init.d/rc: line 167: splash-write: not found Aug 03 16:29:38 mwester: nice work dude Aug 03 16:30:37 mwester: were are the modules tho ? Aug 03 16:31:35 hello Aug 03 16:32:04 hello Aug 03 16:32:40 anybody could tell me where to look for information on how to implement openmoko on my kyocera 7135? Aug 03 16:33:37 dbmoodb: The core drivers are all built-in, so you'll actually get some messages on boot as the boot-up stuff tries to load modules that are already in the kernel. The ones not built-in will just be read from your normal rootfs; the kernel version is the same. Aug 03 16:34:06 ok Aug 03 16:34:18 There's no reason to have modules for the core hardware IMO. Aug 03 16:34:22 i'm just looking for a kernel where i can use an external usb keyboard Aug 03 16:34:29 mwester: i agree Aug 03 16:34:50 i have found info for the neo only Aug 03 16:34:52 I use an external bluetooth keyboard; works well. I haven't tried any other HID devices on the USB. Aug 03 16:35:08 no info for the dragonball mz Aug 03 16:35:08 well in the latest update they are broken Aug 03 16:35:22 Quiliro: are you being a troll or being serious ? Aug 03 16:35:32 i am serous! Aug 03 16:35:38 i am a newbie Aug 03 16:35:47 that's not an excuse Aug 03 16:35:58 what did i do wrong? Aug 03 16:36:22 well i'm trying to understand dragonball mz is what ? Aug 03 16:36:41 its the kyocera 7135 procesor Aug 03 16:36:57 ok fair enough -- is it an arm arch ? Aug 03 16:37:05 nope Aug 03 16:37:12 do you know what arch it is ? Aug 03 16:37:23 http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/7135-smartphone/ Aug 03 16:37:27 arm is one architecture and dragonball mz is another Aug 03 16:37:46 thanks Tig|_ Aug 03 16:38:24 * dbmoodb its only 33mhz .... i don't think openmoko is going t obe that great on it it also only has 16mb of ram Aug 03 16:39:03 Quiliro: I have not heard of anyone running the openmoko stack on it :( all the precompiled images at the moment will be for the Neo 1973 or the Freerunner Aug 03 16:39:55 Tig|_ : is there any older source? Aug 03 16:40:13 nope Aug 03 16:41:54 Quiliro: I don't think it would be any use, I have only found one person who managed to get linux on the Kyocera 7135 but they did not get it booting :( Aug 03 16:45:00 anyone got any idea when the next stable release of 2007.2 will be out? Aug 03 16:46:15 ajbrun: Is anyone still working on the 2007.2? Aug 03 16:46:59 hmmm ok :p Aug 03 16:47:03 FSO then? Aug 03 16:47:53 I think FSO has hit milestone 2 but they are still working on the underpinnings of the stack rather than building a usable phone Aug 03 16:48:28 ajbrun: i hope some one is working on something rofl Aug 03 16:48:38 lol... That Arkanoid PSID from the Commodore64 is likely copyrighted... :D Aug 03 16:48:51 Tig|_ : hi Aug 03 16:48:57 i work on FSO Aug 03 16:48:57 hi Aug 03 16:49:06 i'm not sure which most people are working on anymore Aug 03 16:49:22 currently ASU Aug 03 16:49:23 charlie137: ah! :) congrats on all the work so far :) Aug 03 16:49:37 thanks, but you should say it to Mickey not me really ahah Aug 03 16:50:30 charlie137: Do you have to be an OM employee or something to contribute to ASU or FSO? I can't seem to find any info on how to get in on those projects Aug 03 16:51:05 fso is in mokomakefile, I learned. Aug 03 16:51:07 Andre613: sure you can contribute Aug 03 16:51:25 Andre613: but you are right that we lake good tutorial about that ! Aug 03 16:51:27 I can't build it, tho (perl 5.8.8. wont get bitbaked) Aug 03 16:52:18 Kero: really ? last time friday I could build FSO, didn't have this problem Aug 03 16:53:27 charlie137: i've tried yesterday, and it failed on linux-openmoko Aug 03 16:53:30 I upgraded from a very old repo. Aug 03 16:53:36 there is something about FSO : it is not officially supported by OpenMoko, so far it is just an image done to work on the framework Aug 03 16:53:41 I might try with a clean slate Aug 03 16:54:46 maybe in the future FSO will be merged with ASU Aug 03 16:56:47 charlie137: i get that the image is like a "placeholder" to the framework Aug 03 16:57:18 mmaestri: yes Aug 03 16:57:31 but how can we get only the framework to integrate with ASU, for example Aug 03 16:58:00 * dbmoodb i would be happy if anyone could get the touchscreen calibrated on debian :) Aug 03 16:58:22 if anyone wants to take a poke please go right ahead :) Aug 03 16:58:32 ok, found my own 2007.2 work on the other machine; I'll wipe the whole thing here and try building fso-image again Aug 03 16:58:45 to use framework with ASU, we need to modify Qtopia gsm classes to use the Framework API Aug 03 16:59:25 or even totally remove Qtopia stuffs Aug 03 17:00:07 so we can build and upgrade an image and integrate the framework? Aug 03 17:00:20 quickdev: is no good ? (qtopia) - noticed it kept trying to get a network lock -- i'm normally just within range and 2007.2 has a signal here... Aug 03 17:01:05 mmaestri: I am planing to get an answer to this question first thing next week Aug 03 17:01:56 mmaestri: right now i am not sure what would happen if you install the framework daemon on ASU Aug 03 17:02:01 dbmoodb, don't try to write nicks when thinking about _q_topia ;) Aug 03 17:02:49 quickdev: ah? Aug 03 17:06:10 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r566f11c487b6 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): WIP Aug 03 17:06:24 damn that Aug 03 17:06:31 dbmoodb: I thought touchscreen calibration already worked in debian Aug 03 17:06:57 Zorkman: no for the gta02 Aug 03 17:07:08 not* Aug 03 17:07:32 i had to manually set my pointercal Aug 03 17:07:44 its stilla bit off Aug 03 17:07:45 wyze: care to post the settings ? Aug 03 17:07:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian Aug 03 17:07:54 1 sec.. Aug 03 17:07:56 thanks for clarifying that dbmoodb Aug 03 17:08:03 its fairly clear on the wiki Aug 03 17:09:01 wyze: your using a gta02 right -- can you use the stylus to login with your adjusted pointercal --- and are you on lenny or sid Aug 03 17:09:17 gta02 / sid Aug 03 17:09:32 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r839660b3723c 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Aug 03 17:09:32 freesmartphone.org: Revert "WIP" Aug 03 17:09:32 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 566f11c487b6ae43edfdb3edc60a92d5bfb17f7e. Aug 03 17:09:32 freesmartphone.org: Guess why :-) Aug 03 17:09:33 yes i can use the stylus also Aug 03 17:09:40 -67 38667 -4954632 -51172 121 46965312 65536 Aug 03 17:09:41 so you can login ? (gdm) Aug 03 17:09:44 ^^ ymmv Aug 03 17:09:51 yes i can login with gdm Aug 03 17:09:51 thank you Aug 03 17:09:58 i use icewm also Aug 03 17:10:00 /etc/pointercal -- any other packages you might need ? Aug 03 17:10:11 --- wyze i'm using blackbox its rather small Aug 03 17:10:40 no if u follow the wiki, all u need to do is set that pointercal configuration and restart x Aug 03 17:10:52 ok Aug 03 17:11:07 wyze: its rather fast :) Aug 03 17:11:20 can i message you instead of spamming this room up ? Aug 03 17:11:22 yep Aug 03 17:11:30 sure Aug 03 17:13:01 spam is more like "PENIS ELLARGEMENT PILLS! 4SALE only 15 easy payments of 29.95" Aug 03 17:13:28 kd8ikt: well its still rude Aug 03 17:13:54 flodding? or penis pills? Aug 03 17:14:12 kd8ikt, got a link? Aug 03 17:14:17 heh Aug 03 17:14:17 (ASU) gst-launch filesrc location=/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid \! siddec \! alsasink Aug 03 17:14:19 mornin Aug 03 17:14:22 morning Aug 03 17:14:43 i've been thinking a lot about adhoc networking Aug 03 17:14:54 i hooked up an accelerometer to gnuplot (on my computer, feeding the info with netcat)... got a fun graph Aug 03 17:15:10 plotted the 3 points and followed it with a 10 second history Aug 03 17:15:24 cool Aug 03 17:15:36 morning/evening Aug 03 17:15:53 got any screendumps of it? Aug 03 17:16:25 no, i didn't make any Aug 03 17:16:29 reading about adhoc mesh stuff Aug 03 17:16:37 have to go in a minute too Aug 03 17:16:52 aight i guess i'll catch you later then Aug 03 17:17:07 i'll keep hacking around with meshing Aug 03 17:17:09 have to go in a minute too Aug 03 17:17:12 err, damnit Aug 03 17:17:22 * kd8ikt just installed fso on sd card Aug 03 17:17:33 kd8ikt: can we setup ad-hoc wifi on the stock wifi card on the freerunner ? Aug 03 17:17:40 i think so Aug 03 17:17:50 ok, cya later Aug 03 17:17:56 iwconfig eth0 mode adhoc should do it Aug 03 17:17:59 * dbmoodb gtries it now Aug 03 17:18:02 yeah, it supports adhoc Aug 03 17:18:10 supprts everything but acting as an AP Aug 03 17:18:17 damn Aug 03 17:18:18 next need like olsrd for meshing stuff Aug 03 17:18:23 (and maybe packet dumping or a permiscuous mode) Aug 03 17:18:30 do we have monitor mode ? Aug 03 17:18:35 Mathiasdm: no Aug 03 17:18:41 dbm: Aug 03 17:22:07 can someone point me towards the latest asu image please? Aug 03 17:22:16 whatever i just downloaded doesn't look like this: Aug 03 17:22:16 http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Photo-Tour-of-the-ASU.html Aug 03 17:24:38 do koolu have phones? Aug 03 17:24:42 http://downloads.openmoko.org/ Aug 03 17:24:56 thanks a lot :) Aug 03 17:25:14 shold probably grab fso Aug 03 17:25:17 because they mark out of stock with *** and it's not marked with ***, though if that's right they claim to have 600+- euro version Aug 03 17:25:23 which doesn't sound right. Aug 03 17:25:44 TAsn: They did a week ago, I don't know about now Aug 03 17:25:51 900's? Aug 03 17:26:19 stevenS1: I bought a 850 from them, I don't know about 900's Aug 03 17:26:46 hi everybody Aug 03 17:27:12 it says skype and things on it -- how does that work ? Aug 03 17:27:29 stevenS1, i c, thanks. Aug 03 17:28:05 dbmoodb: Read the phone print "A skype-like voip application when it becomes available". The phone shipped with the same 2007.2 software as everyone else Aug 03 17:28:05 stevenS1, it's safe to say that they will notice me if they don't have any phones, right? Aug 03 17:28:12 stevenS1: ah Aug 03 17:29:07 I just received my freerunner last week and I would like to flash but before I would like to know if there is a mean to save messages and contacts ? Aug 03 17:29:35 tasn: I'm not sure what you mean by 'notice'. Aug 03 17:30:10 stevenS1, a big red banner which says out of stock you are currently back ordering :) Aug 03 17:31:16 Tasn: I would count on them putting that up. They already have the "might take 6-8 weeks' to ship warning Aug 03 17:31:30 really? where? Aug 03 17:31:37 back :) Aug 03 17:32:22 Tasn: If you click on the 900 version from the store it brings up a page with a big red "Due to demand this version of the phone might take 6-8 weeks to ship" Aug 03 17:33:01 http://open80211s.org/ <-- tell me that isnt a great idea Aug 03 17:33:15 stevenS1, thanks, didn't see that since i just added that to cart, didn't bother to read about the moko ;) Aug 03 17:33:39 tasn: The 850 one used to say "2-3 weeks" but they changed that to 3-5 days(which is about what it took them to ship mine) Aug 03 17:33:46 i like being able to flash this thing quickly to different operating systems. as in, not needing to "install" an os Aug 03 17:33:51 that part is quick :) Aug 03 17:33:59 tkep, :) Aug 03 17:34:08 booting is slow though, isnt it? Aug 03 17:34:20 stevenS1, i c, well i will have to wait then :( Aug 03 17:35:15 Mathiasdm: no Aug 03 17:35:17 heh? Aug 03 17:35:26 TAsn, hell yes it's slow, but honestly, when it gets stable, how often do people boot their phone and need it that second? Aug 03 17:35:29 i can accept that :) Aug 03 17:35:40 ah, it was towards someone else, I see :) Aug 03 17:36:25 tkep, what happens if you drop you phone and the battery disconnects and then you want to boot fast because someone is chasing you with a pickaxe? ;0 Aug 03 17:36:35 The boot-up hasn't been optimized in the least; it's still the standard full-linux-desktop type of boot process -- with a very slow jffs2 filesystem and a slow processor! It will be greatly improved once the software stabilizes. Aug 03 17:36:43 damn, my thought was foiled again! Aug 03 17:36:44 haha Aug 03 17:37:02 TAsn: That's what the hole is for -- tie a lanyard to it, then use the freerunner as a bolo. Aug 03 17:37:24 mwester, :) Aug 03 17:37:30 yes! Aug 03 17:37:31 how the fuck do you *save* a new contact in qtopia Aug 03 17:37:45 doc|home, dunno, i am flashing to qtopia as we speak Aug 03 17:37:49 does anyone know where the messages are , on the default openmoko image ? Aug 03 17:37:50 i'll let you know if i figure it out :) Aug 03 17:37:58 * doc|home sobs Aug 03 17:38:45 anyone? Aug 03 17:38:46 does qtopia still use opkg? (i assume it doesn't) Aug 03 17:40:02 qtopia uses something called a qpkg IIRC. I don't think there are any feeds yet. Aug 03 17:40:13 thanks mwester Aug 03 17:40:48 qtopia is a bit of an odd image; basically it is what it is and there is little support for adding other applications that are not part of the qtopia suite. Aug 03 17:41:23 does anyone as test milestone 2 ? Aug 03 17:44:22 Jokernatha1: yes, running it now Aug 03 17:45:31 cjb : when you flash your neo did you loose the old messages ? Aug 03 17:47:07 Jokernatha1: yes Aug 03 17:47:13 you're erasing the filesystem Aug 03 17:47:18 Jokernatha1: what messages? Aug 03 17:47:27 oh. unless you mean SMS's stored on the SIM. Aug 03 17:48:40 I do seem to have lost mine although I think maybe the SMS app for Zhone just isn't working yet Aug 03 17:49:43 in fact last time i put my SIM in the neo it vampirized some SMS (they are no more on the sim but on the neo) Aug 03 17:50:28 that's why i wanted to know where they are in order to save them before flashing the neo Aug 03 17:50:47 I think they're on the SIM. Aug 03 17:51:48 some are no more on the SIM they where (I don't know how and why) transfered on the phone Aug 03 17:51:59 ah Aug 03 17:52:04 dunno Aug 03 17:52:07 best proof is that i can read them with my sim out of the phone ^^ Aug 03 17:54:17 but actually my main problem is that when I connect my phone to my pc i can't ping it :-( Aug 03 17:54:34 does anyone had problems with this ? Aug 03 17:55:56 Jokernatha1: see the wiki page on USB_Networking Aug 03 17:56:53 I followed the entire tutorial and it worked perfectly yesterday but today ... :( Aug 03 17:57:30 Jokernatha1: did you upgrade? Aug 03 17:57:52 "opkg install matchbox-keyboard" gives me "An error ocurred, return value: 2." anyone know what this means? Aug 03 17:58:07 not yet due to my SMS problem :$ Aug 03 17:58:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r210311adea7b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes Aug 03 17:58:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7727d4b4cd98 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Allow people to easily replace the illume edje files Aug 03 17:58:17 has anyone messed with the usb host+powered mode on the freerubber? Aug 03 17:58:28 runner Aug 03 17:58:41 aggtrfrad: i am planning to Aug 03 17:58:44 or did a recent flash of u-boot? because current u-boot breaks the usb connetion sometimes; best to shutdown, unplug cable, and reboot, after reboot plug cable back in Aug 03 17:58:51 aggtrfrad: i am thinking about building a special cable for it Aug 03 17:58:59 aggtrfrad: so that i can charge while using it as usb host Aug 03 18:09:12 Tick Chen , ping ? Aug 03 18:11:00 booting for the first time to qtopia Aug 03 18:11:06 wish me luck! Aug 03 18:11:46 hey, it's not as ugly as the screenshots would have you believe Aug 03 18:12:54 whoa! qtopia kicks ass Aug 03 18:12:55 haha Aug 03 18:13:11 ASU has SIDtune ringtones... Just how Epic is that? :) Aug 03 18:14:56 tkep: and? how is the responsiveness? Aug 03 18:17:00 sorry, playing around with it Aug 03 18:17:17 well .. that is a good thing (tm) :-) Aug 03 18:17:19 Rigolo, it appears video acceleration is non-existent Aug 03 18:17:24 or the driver is just very poor Aug 03 18:17:29 but other than that, it is quick Aug 03 18:17:32 ASU uses xfbdev Aug 03 18:17:35 scrolling can be weak Aug 03 18:17:39 so it isn't using acceleration at all Aug 03 18:17:52 yeah, well, this is stock qtopia, so probably just as bad Aug 03 18:18:03 but it appears the os wants to run assuming acceleration Aug 03 18:18:13 fade ins and outs of tooltips Aug 03 18:18:18 they take 5 seconds or so Aug 03 18:23:18 so, i take it ASU is trying to take qtopia and really tailor it to the the freerunner? Aug 03 18:23:53 because qtopia is badass. i really think it is not far from being ready for full usage Aug 03 18:25:38 be back later Aug 03 18:27:41 when i build it with mokomake file i have the current issue: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6d3df4c3 Aug 03 18:28:36 mwester: I see you read my emails to openmoko-kernel ;-) Aug 03 18:28:46 something wrong witth pk-backend-opkg.c in packageedit sources Aug 03 18:29:32 packagekit i mean Aug 03 18:29:52 cesarb: Of course! Aug 03 18:29:55 mwester: they probably still have the sources and can recompile them, but they failed last time they tried (which is why we are using OABI hacks) and it's low priority enough that they sort of left it for later (or perhaps got fed with it and gave up) Aug 03 18:30:49 mwester: changing to a less problematic chip on GTA02 was a great idea (it also gave them more free time to play with a different problematic chip this time...) Aug 03 18:31:15 And even the existing package is very poorly done (others have documented approaches to the abi issue that are slimmer and neater), but the community cannot really fix it because of the licensing issues around redistributing a fixed and binary-edited pacakge. :( Aug 03 18:31:49 So my intent with the email was to put the problem back in OM's lap as a gllin package issue, and not a kernel issue. Aug 03 18:32:11 I rather expect it will be easier to incorporate your kernel patches, at least for the community, though. Aug 03 18:32:23 mwester: the only way for us is similar to what scaredycat has done with his auto-gllin-install stuff: create a package which, given the original ipk, tears it apart and make a new and better one Aug 03 18:33:17 mwester: after all, the only thing that's really needed is gllin.real, the rest can be changed completely Aug 03 18:33:38 * cesarb thinks of trying schwartz to free 5 megabytes of flash Aug 03 18:34:09 That's an idea. But I'd like to make OM consider fixing it for us, at least. I suppose another approach would be to provide OM with a script that tears apart the existing package, does the binary editing and other changes, and reassembles an updated version of that package -- that can't take too much of anyone's time, and would get a fixed package available to all. Aug 03 18:35:15 openmoko: 03andy 07stable * rc7994820c491 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch Aug 03 18:35:15 openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r8e307f5847af 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch Aug 03 18:35:16 openmoko: 03andy 07stable * re8be8149e66a 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch Aug 03 18:35:17 openmoko: 03andy 07stable * raa9b0ea7a1c9 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch Aug 03 18:38:40 mwester: good idea, though with the "here's-the-binary-now-I-wash-my-hands" way they released it, I'm not sure they won't be like "I do not want to touch it ever again" Aug 03 18:38:54 mwester: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/53028.html (gllin hack) Aug 03 18:39:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc007c022efaa 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Aug 03 18:39:05 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Unify configuration nodes to use the same name we are using for logging, i.e. [subsystem.module]. Aug 03 18:39:05 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Needs to be done for other subsystems that use individual modules as well Aug 03 18:39:56 If anyone does put together an updated package, the wrapper script needs some updates too (e.g. get rid of /tmp/nmeaNP, use the pty or udp mode instead) Aug 03 18:41:33 and add an option to log in /media/card/logs/secondssince1970.gps.gz or soemthign Aug 03 18:46:57 ummmm...how do you restart X in qtopia Aug 03 18:50:12 tkep: i thought QTopia didn't use X Aug 03 18:50:29 what would it use? Aug 03 18:50:42 * tkep is unaware of anything else Aug 03 18:50:44 :( Aug 03 18:50:51 and init 6 did it haha Aug 03 18:51:00 but it'd be nice to have just killed X Aug 03 18:51:33 i thought it used some in-house developed scheme Aug 03 18:51:40 but i don't know much about it Aug 03 18:52:05 i just thought i'd read it somewhere, but i guess not - doesn't make much sense anyway Aug 03 18:56:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re1082e3f3e06 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE Aug 03 18:56:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r920ec743fa31 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE Aug 03 18:56:54 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re8b579410efe 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62 Aug 03 18:56:54 ASU runs qtopia on X, I believe, so you can run other X applications, too; thought qtopia normally does run on its own graphical environment. Aug 03 18:58:57 Kero: ok, thanks for clearing it up Aug 03 18:58:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra214bf1f409e 10/framework/ (config.py controller.py subsystem.py): Aug 03 18:58:57 freesmartphone.org: * check configuration file format version Aug 03 18:58:57 freesmartphone.org: * allow both disabling a whole subsystem as well as just one module (per config) Aug 03 18:59:01 no worries Aug 03 19:03:23 cd ..../Maps/OSM/ Aug 03 19:03:26 ln -s . tile.openstreetmap.org Aug 03 19:03:28 find . -type f | sed -e s,^\\.,http://tile.openstreetmap.org, | wget -Nxi - Aug 03 19:03:40 <- updating tangoGPS map tiles Aug 03 19:05:31 that updates already available files? Aug 03 19:06:19 Maps change over time. Aug 03 19:06:20 yes Aug 03 19:06:31 Please don't do it too often. Aug 03 19:07:33 http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/tile.openstreetmap.html Aug 03 19:11:03 dang Aug 03 19:11:19 dude mesh networking is easier said then done Aug 03 19:14:28 iff tile.openstreetmap.org would send last-modified-at headers (or however they're named), it would cause less load... Aug 03 19:14:29 parallel builds (from mokomakefile) with multiple wgets look funny Aug 03 19:14:40 at the moment, -N is useless Aug 03 19:20:47 tkep: hold the power button, a screen will appear with options to restart qtopia, power down, etc. Aug 03 19:21:39 lpotter, thanks Aug 03 19:44:57 hi all Aug 03 19:45:03 Hi all.... Aug 03 19:45:10 i finally have my FR !! Aug 03 19:45:30 but i have a problem. i can't opkg update for some errors. Aug 03 19:45:31 gratulations:) Aug 03 19:45:36 thanks =) Aug 03 19:45:49 do you like it? Aug 03 19:45:54 a lot Aug 03 19:46:00 im looking for a new phone :| Aug 03 19:46:04 cga: woot :) you will have the joy, then the bafflement then the oops the feeds are down at the moment stuff yet to come :) Aug 03 19:46:20 the only thing i don't like is that it comes with really bare bones config Aug 03 19:46:26 cga: the errors are okay, if they're the signature check thing Aug 03 19:46:35 cjb, they are =) Aug 03 19:46:52 but it can't install the matchbox kbd Aug 03 19:47:06 i guess is for repo sig or something Aug 03 19:48:16 i want to install software!!! XD Aug 03 19:48:31 tomorrow i have to show off my FR at work Aug 03 19:48:33 :P Aug 03 19:48:39 * lindi- is installing debian unstable chroot Aug 03 19:49:00 and i want it to be "complete enough" Aug 03 19:49:08 cga, do you have the famous gps-problem? Aug 03 19:49:19 haven't tried gps yet Aug 03 19:49:26 right Aug 03 19:49:40 i'm just trying to install sw atm Aug 03 19:50:11 ok Aug 03 19:51:01 cjb, can you help me??? i don't understand why i can't install sw Aug 03 19:51:10 is it for the repos are down? Aug 03 19:51:20 cga: most probably Aug 03 19:51:35 if you can wget http://www.google.com/ Aug 03 19:51:40 ps: i wait for ASU anyway to flash the fr Aug 03 19:51:45 cga: if you are trying to install stuff via the repos, the other day the repos had an issue and the feeds are down Aug 03 19:51:52 oh thanks Aug 03 19:52:12 does someone knows when the next hardware revision of the openmoko will be announced? Aug 03 19:52:16 well i guess i'll just explore the filesystem and change few config then Aug 03 19:53:03 oh... btw: is it possible to install BASH and Vim and use them as $SHELL and $EDITOR ? Aug 03 19:53:51 cga: why do you think it would not be possible? ;) Aug 03 19:54:05 lindi-, i was just worndering =) Aug 03 19:54:11 cga: sure Aug 03 19:54:15 (or wandering?) Aug 03 19:54:33 i like it! free your phone! Aug 03 19:54:53 man i'm so excited to have a REAL SMARTPHONE Aug 03 19:54:59 cga: this explains the 3 main stacks available atm :) http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ Aug 03 19:55:11 Tig|, i red that in july Aug 03 19:55:13 thanks Aug 03 19:55:21 i saw also the wiki entry Aug 03 19:56:24 cga : the biggist thing for me is that a major black box I have to use has been opened :) Aug 03 19:57:27 Tig|, which is? Aug 03 20:06:06 how's the repo's doing? Aug 03 20:10:19 how can I turn off the GPS in FSO? Aug 03 20:11:11 just quit tangogps or the nav screen Aug 03 20:11:23 when the S is lower case it's off Aug 03 20:11:44 great, that works Aug 03 20:15:56 so...i'm missing gpsdrive... Aug 03 20:16:08 and tangogps is not good for me, since it deletes it's maps every time Aug 03 20:18:24 rooly: change the directory where tangogps stores it maps (don't use /tmp/*) you can also use navit Aug 03 20:18:31 navit Aug 03 20:18:33 good to know Aug 03 20:25:15 does anyone know where the latest ASU images are? Aug 03 20:25:30 tangogps works just fine for me Aug 03 20:25:43 it stores its cache to /media/card/osm/cache in my neo.. Aug 03 20:25:50 and doesn't delete them afaik Aug 03 20:26:08 i had changed something in my tangogps, and it just decided to stop working Aug 03 20:30:40 tangogps messes-up display of tracklogs when it doesn't have map tiles available Aug 03 20:32:22 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> Hello Aug 03 20:32:23 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> :s Aug 03 20:32:25 hi Aug 03 20:32:27 *_* Aug 03 20:32:33 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> °_° Aug 03 20:32:34 auz Aug 03 20:32:35 x Aug 03 20:32:35 D Aug 03 20:32:36 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> Soul-Dier Aug 03 20:32:39 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> hola Aug 03 20:32:42 hola Aug 03 20:32:43 13:0) Aug 03 20:32:45 13x0D Aug 03 20:32:58 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> tu es espanol? °_° Aug 03 20:33:07 si °_° Aug 03 20:33:18 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> aqui no creo que se puede hablar espanol Aug 03 20:33:19 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> 11:7D Aug 03 20:33:25 LOL Aug 03 20:33:33 XD Aug 03 20:33:37 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> todos muertos Aug 03 20:33:38 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> ahaahah Aug 03 20:33:40 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> aajajaja Aug 03 20:33:45 ajajajajaja Aug 03 20:34:00 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> angles? 11x7D Aug 03 20:34:09 ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^: please don't use mIRC colors Aug 03 20:34:09 do they really talk like that in spain? ajajaahahaaajjaj? Aug 03 20:34:22 °_° Aug 03 20:34:29 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> °_° Aug 03 20:34:36 ? Aug 03 20:34:37 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> como? Aug 03 20:35:24 °_° Aug 03 20:35:38 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> bah Aug 03 20:35:38 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> :s Aug 03 20:36:04 are here any dutch people or people understand dutch? Aug 03 20:36:26 i speak dutch Aug 03 20:36:41 I know a few words Aug 03 20:36:44 Ik ben gek Aug 03 20:36:47 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> °_° Aug 03 20:36:52 sure, I'm Dutch Aug 03 20:36:54 :s Aug 03 20:36:56 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> oddeo Aug 03 20:36:57 <^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^> xD Aug 03 20:36:59 haha:D Aug 03 20:37:02 ajajaajjaj Aug 03 20:37:08 :) Aug 03 20:37:08 Hi zorkman... Aug 03 20:37:31 hello Zilla, can I help you with something (note: i'm a noob :)) Aug 03 20:37:46 lol Aug 03 20:37:56 nope... Aug 03 20:38:03 part 13S0p13U0u13U0u13T *_* Aug 03 20:38:08 :) Aug 03 20:40:27 anyone know why tangogps both refuses to store custom repo's or custom cache directory settings? Aug 03 20:43:11 anybody who knows if pulster has a status page or something? Aug 03 20:43:22 (= webshop) Aug 03 20:43:33 henkie_, are you dutch? Aug 03 20:43:45 Zilla, yes Aug 03 20:43:49 and for your question, i dont know :) Aug 03 20:43:58 when did you ordered one? Aug 03 20:44:39 Zilla: are you dutch? Aug 03 20:44:47 dont know exactly, a couple of weeks ago, but they were to receive new phones on the 25th Aug 03 20:44:49 yes Aug 03 20:45:05 must be more .nl give-aways... Aug 03 20:45:08 inderdaad,,,, dr zitten hier veel nederlanders schijnbaar :) Aug 03 20:45:50 ayaaiayhahaiaja ;) Aug 03 20:46:50 <|FiLiP|> henkie_: from pulster.de : First batch of units 07/25/2008 (25.July) is sold out. You can make a order now to be sure to get a freerunner with our next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August). Aug 03 20:47:16 actually, i think i see why it's not storing my customizations Aug 03 20:47:27 it's using gconf, which keeps getting dbus erros Aug 03 20:47:30 *errors Aug 03 20:47:40 |FiLiP|, yes i know, but i believe i was on time for that batch (of the 25th). Aug 03 20:48:02 ah well, i will sent email i guess :) Aug 03 20:48:03 how can i turn on and set it permanently a ringtone in the om-gta02? Aug 03 20:48:20 holy shit Aug 03 20:48:26 i'm the only person in louisiana to have this phone Aug 03 20:48:28 <|FiLiP|> why don't you just sent an email to christoph at pulster.de ? Aug 03 20:48:43 anyone can find agpsui?? it's no linger on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ and opkg can't find it Aug 03 20:48:58 linger=longer Aug 03 20:53:01 openmoko: 03zecke * rc017d3b09596 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemphonebook.cpp: [phonebook] AT+CPBR=? might fail on modem init, force a retry Aug 03 20:53:01 openmoko: 03zecke * r84733d7f9719 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemservice.cpp: [modem] AT+COPS=3,0 might fail on init, increase the retryChat count.. Aug 03 20:53:40 anyone please? Aug 03 20:54:12 cga: look in /media/mmcblk0p2 Aug 03 20:54:17 sorry wrong copypaste Aug 03 20:54:27 how can i turn on a ringtone and set it permanently in the om-gta02? as the default image it doesn't ring. it just vibrate Aug 03 20:54:32 look in /etc/pulse/session Aug 03 20:54:35 oh thanks Aug 03 20:54:37 is there a way to flash your neo from windows without using linux (emulated or not) Aug 03 20:54:46 maybe a noob question...:P Aug 03 20:54:50 jup there is Zilla, it's documented in the wiki Aug 03 20:55:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 03 20:55:03 hmm Aug 03 20:55:05 oke Aug 03 20:55:15 anyone know where tangogps store's it's gconf data? Aug 03 20:55:28 but i tought that you needed a linux environment to flash it.... (using vmware ) Aug 03 20:55:43 it helps, Zilla, for sure Aug 03 20:55:50 there is a port of dfu-util, but i don't know if it is stable Aug 03 20:55:55 looks like on a fresh mokomakefile, I needed a second run of `make fso-image` to get perl 5.8.8 compiling. funky. Aug 03 20:56:14 Zilla: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/dfu-util-win32/ Aug 03 20:56:15 i use windows still as my main os... Aug 03 20:56:31 tnx zorkman... Aug 03 20:56:47 np Aug 03 20:58:11 Zorkman, well the session file is interesting but i don't understand how to turn on the ring tone (the default is fine for now) Aug 03 20:58:28 hi ho. anybody got experience with dbus?? I try to mirrot the system dbus of my moko to my desktop. is this possible ?? Aug 03 21:01:43 cga: sorry can't help you with that one Aug 03 21:02:28 Zorkman, thanks anyway Aug 03 21:03:01 cause i coded a nice online graphs for the accelerometers. they look better on the dekstop Aug 03 21:04:08 i'd like some gpsd or gypsy plugin to do AssistNow Online stuff... Aug 03 21:06:04 * lindi- got "mplayer http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/" run in debian unstable chroot on freerunner <3 Aug 03 21:06:19 are there any other media players? Aug 03 21:06:32 nice lindi- Aug 03 21:06:32 65% cpu usage Aug 03 21:06:57 it took only like 10 minutes, no need to setup any cross building environments :) Aug 03 21:07:31 but the debian side has to be arm compiled? Aug 03 21:07:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r78a6d1fce1e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling Aug 03 21:08:04 Zilla: 1) sudo debootstrap --arch armel --foreign sid sid-arm Aug 03 21:08:19 Zilla: 2) sudo tar cjf sid-arm.tar.bz2 sid-arm Aug 03 21:08:33 oke.... so its arm-compiled debian :) Aug 03 21:09:22 Zilla: then unpack that on freerunner, add bind mounts for /proc /tmp /dev, chroot and /debootstrap/deboostrap --second-stage Aug 03 21:10:22 Zilla: yep, but debian builds the binaries for me :) Aug 03 21:10:43 any idea why cpu consumption is so high? Aug 03 21:11:10 oke... Aug 03 21:11:16 i dont have an FR... Aug 03 21:11:16 :P Aug 03 21:11:25 Zilla: this probably works on gta01 too Aug 03 21:12:01 i dont have any openmoko HW Aug 03 21:12:03 ;) Aug 03 21:12:08 oh :( Aug 03 21:12:37 just interesting in the project ;) Aug 03 21:13:48 strace shows mplayer is doing basically three things: gettimeofday({1217807897, 408946}, NULL) = 0 ioctl(6, 0x400c4150, 0xbeebbb54) = 0 ioctl(6, 0xc0844123, 0x438d08) = 0 Aug 03 21:13:55 any idea where to lookup those alsa ioctls? Aug 03 21:14:13 btw why dont you run mplayer natively on the FR? Aug 03 21:14:21 without the chroot thing Aug 03 21:14:27 lindi-: it shows strace is making three *system calls*. it's possible to do plenty of things without involving system calls, as is no doubt the case here. Aug 03 21:14:33 lindi-: you might try ltrace instead. Aug 03 21:14:35 s/strace/mplayer/ Aug 03 21:15:10 cjb: yeah sure Aug 03 21:15:18 Zilla: natively? Aug 03 21:15:29 Zilla: opkg list does not list mplayer at the moment Aug 03 21:15:29 on the standard os.... Aug 03 21:15:32 (better yet, oprofile or sysprof.) Aug 03 21:15:33 ah Aug 03 21:15:40 Zilla: didn't list it in friday either Aug 03 21:15:45 i get it ;) Aug 03 21:15:53 cjb: probably Aug 03 21:15:57 cjb: i'll try video next :) Aug 03 21:16:31 a guy came through arkansas with 1 Aug 03 21:16:53 cjb: "DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/video/84562026_38835b5b88_orig.ogv" plays. 56% mplayer, 13% Xglamo Aug 03 21:18:50 it's not very smooth though, the audio seems to skip a lot Aug 03 21:19:19 maybe if you put the video on the internal ram first? Aug 03 21:20:41 what's the status on other browsers Aug 03 21:20:41 lindi, i get: Aug 03 21:20:48 has the opera browser been ported yet? Aug 03 21:20:50 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Aug 03 21:20:50 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Aug 03 21:20:56 rooly: opera is proprietary software Aug 03 21:20:58 then i get sound, but no video... Aug 03 21:21:09 Zorkman: how did you obtain mplayer? Aug 03 21:21:15 rooly: Ask Opera Software - there are no sources available, so they will have to do that :) Aug 03 21:21:15 Ogg stream 0 is of an unknown type Aug 03 21:21:16 Ogg stream 1 is of an unknown type Aug 03 21:21:30 lindi-: opkg install mplayer (it's in the rabenfrost feed) Aug 03 21:21:46 Zorkman: yeah that probably doesn't support ogg theora :( Aug 03 21:22:27 leinir, i figure that Aug 03 21:22:53 Zorkman: copying to /tmp does not seem to help much Aug 03 21:22:53 rooly: So, i short - there are no news that anyone outside of Opera knows about :) Aug 03 21:22:55 i'm wondering if there's a different browser for the OM Aug 03 21:23:06 because the included one sucks in om2007.2 Aug 03 21:24:13 rooly: minimo works better for me Aug 03 21:25:01 the standard media player in the 2007.2 image won't start here Aug 03 21:29:58 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt should have all steps in case somebody is interested Aug 03 21:30:32 ah Aug 03 21:30:43 streaming an mp3 from the net only uses 6% cpu thought it would be worse.. Aug 03 21:31:50 Zorkman: with your mplayer? Aug 03 21:31:56 jup Aug 03 21:31:59 Zorkman: interesting Aug 03 21:32:08 DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stu Aug 03 21:32:08 bru-mid.mp3 Aug 03 21:32:33 the speakers are a bit weak though.. will test headphones later Aug 03 21:32:50 10% here Aug 03 21:33:00 Zorkman: maybe slayradio has something special that takes more to decode? Aug 03 21:33:12 Zorkman: can y ou try http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/? Aug 03 21:33:41 sure Aug 03 21:34:22 43.8% :( Aug 03 21:34:37 interesting Aug 03 21:35:40 What's a good workflow for taking a just-built bitbake package (xserver-glamo), making changes to source files, and getting a new .bb out? Aug 03 21:36:21 cjb: good question Aug 03 21:36:42 lindi: i use headphone and now it uses 26% Aug 03 21:37:03 (without headphones also 25.5...) Aug 03 21:37:23 strange, don't know why it used that much the first time... maybe it pre-caches or something? Aug 03 21:37:34 cjb: you're working on Xglamo? Aug 03 21:37:49 Zorkman: could be Aug 03 21:37:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7e42e9df5347 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Aug 03 21:37:51 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Bump timeout to 7 seconds when sending PIN Aug 03 21:37:51 freesmartphone.org: It seems like some SIMs are quite slow to acknowledge the PIN so some Aug 03 21:37:51 freesmartphone.org: time out with the default value of 5 seconds. Aug 03 21:37:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4014cf6316ca 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: Aug 03 21:37:56 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make the low level parser quote aware (torindel@gmail.com) Aug 03 21:37:58 freesmartphone.org: This addresses bug #62 Aug 03 21:38:43 everytime i unlug the headphones and plug them back in the volume jumps back to 100 in alsamixer, any way to prevent this? Aug 03 21:39:06 cjb: ad bug 1244: i'm rather sure that *one* problem is that the input is not rotated correctly. there are also others, related to xrandr (after rotation, font sizes are all wrong), but that's the one that makes things unusable Aug 03 21:39:31 the viewport is rotated correctly Aug 03 21:39:41 not sure about virtual screen size, but i think it's correct Aug 03 21:40:53 * Kamping_Kaiser wtfs at his FR. it wont let me ssh in anymore :( Aug 03 21:40:55 also after you're in landscape mode the software wont recognize you switching to portrait mode again Aug 03 21:42:50 Anyone get WPA working with CCMP (vs TKIP) or get WPA2 working on the FR? All the reports on the 'net I've found seem to be WPA/TKIP (or don't say, but show wpa_supplicant.conf's which can select between CCMP and TKIP which makes me assume they're using TKIP). Aug 03 21:45:06 hrrr. bitbake worked once, and then: ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/home/cjb/git/moko/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /home/cjb/git/moko/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.3.0.0.bb). Aug 03 21:46:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07sms-pdu * rc007c022efaa 10framework/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Aug 03 21:46:41 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Unify configuration nodes to use the same name we are using for logging, i.e. [subsystem.module]. Aug 03 21:46:41 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Needs to be done for other subsystems that use individual modules as well Aug 03 21:46:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07sms-pdu * ra214bf1f409e 10framework/framework/ (config.py controller.py subsystem.py): Aug 03 21:46:42 freesmartphone.org: * check configuration file format version Aug 03 21:46:44 freesmartphone.org: * allow both disabling a whole subsystem as well as just one module (per config) Aug 03 21:46:46 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r7e42e9df5347 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Aug 03 21:46:49 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Bump timeout to 7 seconds when sending PIN Aug 03 21:46:56 ah, I guess it thinks nothing needs to be done? How could I force a rebuild? Aug 03 21:47:29 ah, -crebuild might work Aug 03 21:47:39 freesmartphone.org: It seems like some SIMs are quite slow to acknowledge the PIN so some Aug 03 21:47:39 freesmartphone.org: time out with the default value of 5 seconds. Aug 03 21:47:39 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r4014cf6316ca 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: Aug 03 21:47:39 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make the low level parser quote aware (torindel@gmail.com) Aug 03 21:47:41 freesmartphone.org: This addresses bug #62 Aug 03 21:47:43 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r08e386f66074 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Start work on SMS PDU mode Aug 03 21:48:48 where can I find the latest ASU build? on buildhost there are only 2007.02 builds Aug 03 21:50:36 * Kamping_Kaiser will jump back in at work and ask about the FR and its lack of ssh :\ Aug 03 21:51:31 hmm Aug 03 21:51:40 i guess minimo isn't in the repo Aug 03 21:53:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfcd42630bf00 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build Aug 03 21:53:22 who want minimo, its old news Aug 03 21:55:20 i want a different browser Aug 03 21:55:26 the om2007.2 one sucks Aug 03 21:55:44 build firefox 3 :-D Aug 03 21:56:02 links! Aug 03 21:56:56 lol Aug 03 21:56:58 silly Aug 03 21:57:08 hmm...minimo is looking rather slick Aug 03 21:57:42 * XorA|gone wonders if fennec is actually buildable Aug 03 21:57:49 or whether is hard coded to maemo Aug 03 21:59:03 opera would rock.. :P Aug 03 21:59:11 so not :) Aug 03 22:00:27 nah Aug 03 22:00:30 firefox ftw Aug 03 22:00:36 with flash support! Aug 03 22:00:41 it would have been much smoother than firefox 3 on this platform Aug 03 22:01:16 persuade Opera to make it open source, then.. Aug 03 22:01:34 or send them an FR and ask nicely Aug 03 22:01:40 im not sure if that would help anything, but hey Aug 03 22:02:03 Quai: yes but the point of the system is to work with free software :) Aug 03 22:02:24 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc05d9a67827d 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue Aug 03 22:02:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4e47c4374ee9 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap Aug 03 22:02:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra9337027817c 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE Aug 03 22:02:27 I know :) Aug 03 22:02:28 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rabb6f16d6934 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU Aug 03 22:02:29 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2a67173280d2 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin Aug 03 22:02:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8e787088e279 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE Aug 03 22:02:35 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0874145e7650 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59 Aug 03 22:02:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf61bbc0a424b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62 Aug 03 22:02:43 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9d021c18c13c 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build Aug 03 22:02:51 (I work for opera, so ignore me when I talk about firefox vs opera ;P) Aug 03 22:02:52 * cjb doesn't understand people buying an openmoko and complaining about the lack of proprietary software on it :) Aug 03 22:03:07 Quai: ah, I see Aug 03 22:03:23 then that explains the motivation :) Aug 03 22:03:28 Quai: i hope you realized that Aug 03 22:04:07 why in god sake do you want proprietary software on the openmoko freerunner? Aug 03 22:04:23 Zilla: Because he works at Opera. Aug 03 22:04:45 Zilla: Because freedom goes both ways ;) Aug 03 22:04:49 which is, at least, the best reason I can think of for wanting it, even if it isn't a very good one ;-) Aug 03 22:04:52 thats for sure... Aug 03 22:07:16 i can imagine people being happy with some opera on their FR... Aug 03 22:07:27 i think its laggy Aug 03 22:07:31 as hell Aug 03 22:07:33 but i do not want any proprietary software on mine Aug 03 22:08:07 stinks enough that the ar6k chip has non-free firmware on-chip Aug 03 22:08:10 One thing I would love is to create a entire gui based on a browser in fullscreen mode Aug 03 22:08:18 so we cannot do monitor mode atm Aug 03 22:08:25 Quai: the GNOME folks tried that a year or so ago Aug 03 22:08:32 Quai: it's called Pyro, and uses XUL Aug 03 22:08:36 anyone know of any bluetooth projects? Aug 03 22:08:59 I don't understand the fashion for "browser applications" Aug 03 22:09:19 It could be cool with google gears and stuff Aug 03 22:09:32 what is wrong with "proper" applications Aug 03 22:09:47 danw, it's so that any platform can show the same data with no need for recoding and recompiling Aug 03 22:09:50 danw: well, no-one uses them anymore Aug 03 22:09:54 the problem with this is, once again, windows Aug 03 22:10:01 fscking IE... Aug 03 22:10:18 rooly: you can do that with, say, python Aug 03 22:10:37 but python still has tertiary requirements on a system Aug 03 22:10:52 yeah, python's not a great example. maybe java. Aug 03 22:10:59 true but it will run faster than any browser app you can design Aug 03 22:11:01 java is a better example Aug 03 22:11:06 and not all browsers are equal Aug 03 22:11:08 in any case -- see how many people you know use a client-side e-mail program vs. using gmail Aug 03 22:11:24 and we start to see why the "online desktop" might be a good idea Aug 03 22:11:32 * Wonka would not often send mail from his freerunner, but use ssh to connect to his vserver Aug 03 22:11:33 i'm not disagreeing with danw, just answering the question Aug 03 22:12:06 for example, if I choose to use konqueror, a lot of these web applications won't work with it, but I can compile any old C/C++ app with internet connectivity if I have the right libraries Aug 03 22:12:20 I guess I just don't do any web development Aug 03 22:12:34 but I personally would really dislike the idea of an "online desktop" Aug 03 22:12:42 hmm Aug 03 22:12:46 i've actually seen and used one Aug 03 22:12:49 "eyeOS" Aug 03 22:12:54 quite interesting Aug 03 22:12:58 cjb: imap is not available, users doesn't know good mail clients, users doesn't know that mail clients exist at all Aug 03 22:13:31 cjb: I have a gmail account, and use client side email account Aug 03 22:13:37 it's much faster and more featureful Aug 03 22:13:55 hrm Aug 03 22:14:00 this minimo is pretty sexy Aug 03 22:14:05 altho a little slow imo Aug 03 22:14:32 i'm also a firm believer that a computer should remain useful without a connection to the net Aug 03 22:14:53 * rooly agrees Aug 03 22:15:09 this whole "cloud computing" initiative is fundamentally flawed Aug 03 22:15:31 but a computer without net has no use for mail functionality anyway Aug 03 22:15:37 I think that "internet applications" and "internet desktop" concept is fundamentally flawed, but Aug 03 22:15:48 well, think about it, Aug 03 22:15:59 * Wonka likes mut Aug 03 22:16:00 r Aug 03 22:16:03 mutt, even Aug 03 22:16:11 in many countries more and more people are demanding more and more data over the internet. In a few years, here in the UK the network will be very clogged Aug 03 22:16:31 if everyone is transferring data every time they open their word processor as well as when they're collecting their mail and watching youtube Aug 03 22:16:32 blame youtube Aug 03 22:16:37 it's a completel waste of bandwidth Aug 03 22:16:51 a little bit of investment in the "pipes" can fix that right up Aug 03 22:16:57 yes but Aug 03 22:17:08 when home computers are getting more and more powerful Aug 03 22:17:18 where is the sense in offloading more and more processing to external big servers? Aug 03 22:17:48 oh, and if they would just be smart and be dumb pipes and charge for the connection... Aug 03 22:17:59 lower energy usage on the networked client? Aug 03 22:18:09 on the mobile networked client Aug 03 22:18:58 yes but higher energy usage on the server Aug 03 22:19:15 but the server does not need batteries Aug 03 22:19:28 lower energy usage on the mobile client means longer battery life Aug 03 22:20:15 yes but battery technology and such is improving all the time, and will continue to do so Aug 03 22:20:19 by the way - sometimes i'd like the 2007.2 display locker not to lock or even suspend the screen, but only dim. Aug 03 22:20:34 alrighty Aug 03 22:20:35 bbl Aug 03 22:21:13 also, i'd like a "suspend now" button, analog to "lock display" Aug 03 22:21:34 +1 to that Aug 03 22:22:41 i do not want to disable power management completely for watching my course on the map, and also not need to touch the screen regularly to stop it locking the screen Aug 03 22:23:23 this is all managed by neod, afaik - wasn't there a replacement planned? Aug 03 22:23:54 hi Aug 03 22:24:10 anyone an idea why my gtkrc wont work on asu ? Aug 03 22:30:37 ugh, bitbake is starting from scratch and I don't know why Aug 03 22:38:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r21906652b271 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: fix relaunching in lowlevel init Aug 03 22:38:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r11b2ccf8f92f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: Aug 03 22:38:39 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix parsing outgoing SMS with empty phone numbers (stored on SIM). Aug 03 22:38:39 freesmartphone.org: Patch by wiedi@frubar.net, thanks! Closes ticket #67 Aug 03 22:40:18 openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07stable * r64eb10cab805 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: environment-option-to-stop-in-menu.patch Aug 03 22:40:31 bye all, ;) Aug 03 22:56:21 who are the slack people Aug 03 22:56:28 23:55 < rooly> i want a different browser, 23:55 < XorA|gone> build firefox 3 :-D <- why not microb then, the sources are availble, and its better than minimo ;p Aug 03 22:57:24 in need a "Make it Permanent" usb networking tutorial Aug 03 22:57:36 im proly the only 1 Aug 03 22:57:52 that needs a tutorial Aug 03 22:59:53 pjz: ping Aug 03 23:00:09 how can I stop the sound when I tap the screen on the FR? Aug 03 23:02:17 i think wiki had info on this Aug 03 23:05:57 torindel: microb isnt a browser Aug 03 23:06:30 XorA|gone: and what then? Aug 03 23:06:39 XorA|gone: its modified ff3 engine Aug 03 23:06:51 i looks and works like a browser Aug 03 23:06:59 torindel: yeah but as far as I can see, its a plugin for a browser framework Aug 03 23:06:59 gecko? Aug 03 23:07:30 torindel: when I looked at mircob it didnt seem to actually produce and executable Aug 03 23:09:22 maybe i'll look at that when i have some time Aug 03 23:09:44 but fennec is better than microb anyway Aug 03 23:12:21 hows opkg upgrade today? Aug 03 23:15:19 not good linuxxr Aug 03 23:16:13 hmm August 29, 2008 - Fennec Alpha 1 Aug 03 23:16:36 i wonder how much complete it is as is Aug 03 23:20:07 hah, my team kicked beckham's arse Aug 03 23:20:10 REMOVE CLICK SOUND VIA /etc/pulse/session Aug 03 23:21:03 so i need to download what to fix Aug 03 23:21:19 i have the stock setup Aug 03 23:21:44 what game ieatlint? Aug 03 23:21:54 source Aug 03 23:22:12 san jose earthquakes vs LA galaxy (US league) Aug 03 23:23:15 i was thinking computer games ol Aug 03 23:23:40 hehe, nah, that crazy thing called real life Aug 03 23:24:03 yay Aug 03 23:25:51 task-machine-base: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-gta01kbd Aug 03 23:25:52 task-machine-base: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-s3cmci Aug 03 23:26:15 why it sayd gta01 Aug 03 23:27:40 well i just opkg upgrade ed Aug 03 23:28:25 it rebooted Aug 03 23:30:24 usbnet still working? Aug 03 23:33:19 torindel: ping Aug 03 23:35:49 alphaone: pong Aug 03 23:36:37 torindel: I've commited a slightly modified patch to http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/ticket/62 Aug 03 23:36:48 Can you try if that fixes the issue for you? Aug 03 23:37:01 ok wait i'll check Aug 03 23:37:09 (building new fso-image now) Aug 03 23:38:27 torindel: Thanks. Please close the bug if it fixes the problem for you Aug 03 23:39:49 does openmoko use xcb? Aug 03 23:41:22 git clone http://git.freesmartphone.org/framework: warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. o_O Aug 03 23:41:27 it worked earlier Aug 03 23:41:36 * kgoetz updates and wonders if he'll survive it :) Aug 03 23:42:00 whoa Aug 03 23:42:53 it's not me (did rm -rf framework, theres no .git in current dir etc) Aug 03 23:44:00 is there a way to get the FR to vibrate instead of ring? Aug 03 23:44:12 torindel: Yeah, I just tried it myself Aug 03 23:44:36 strance, clone doesn't work, but I can pull into my existing checkout Aug 03 23:44:41 strange even Aug 03 23:45:00 it says "Perhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there?" Aug 03 23:46:40 torindel: git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework Aug 03 23:46:44 use git:// Aug 03 23:47:30 strange it worked with http:// earlier Aug 03 23:47:38 strange Aug 03 23:47:49 shoragan said it wasn't supported Aug 03 23:47:56 Maybe because I added a branch? Aug 03 23:54:12 morning Aug 03 23:54:28 gday mate Aug 03 23:57:38 torindel: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080803234535-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should have it Aug 03 23:58:41 I'm off to bed, good nicht Aug 03 23:58:44 night Aug 03 23:58:48 night Aug 03 23:59:51 is there a way to get the FR to vibrate instead of ring? Aug 04 00:01:50 alphaone: ping Aug 04 00:02:19 or anyone with push access -__- Aug 04 00:02:37 torindel: whats up? Aug 04 00:03:30 XorA|gone: on framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py:154 it should be self.curline Aug 04 00:03:46 torindel: oh, I dont have push for that Aug 04 00:11:54 FLOOD Aug 04 00:12:09 openmoko: 03thebohemian2 07org.openmoko.dev * rb55bd75cc3dc 10/packages/jamvm/ (files/jamvm_1.4.5-initial.patch jamvm-initial_1.4.5.bb): jamvm-initial 1.4.5: New recipe. Aug 04 00:12:10 openmoko: 03thebohemian2 07org.openmoko.dev * r4344320e5e25 10/packages/classpath/ (classpath-native.inc classpath.inc): classpath-native.inc: Set JAVAC through environment variable. Aug 04 00:12:10 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ad49c8118dd 10/conf/distro/ (include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc openmoko.conf): openmoko.conf: remove P1, there are no longer any phases. allow feed config to be overriden locally Aug 04 00:12:12 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r92271e67b0c2 10/packages/efl1/ecore_cvs.bb: ecore cvs catch up with changed option (from Openmoko) Aug 04 00:12:15 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d45b83240e7 10/conf/distro/include/ (moko-autorev.inc sane-srcdates.inc): update EFL due to important VKBD fixes. sorry guys. Aug 04 00:12:18 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7529647f0d70 10/ (58 files in 26 dirs): merge of 'aeb1ac8ac964032ee256054d8009fd226a984570' Aug 04 00:12:21 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r16522352027e 10/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-kernel.inc: gcc-cross-kernel: make installdirs before install-common Aug 04 00:12:24 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r6182475e0f0f 10/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-kernel.inc: merge of 'd11de5b2fccb6699a3ba660836048f87dc676a4c' Aug 04 00:12:27 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7d4f14350af7 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (3 files in 2 dirs): illume svn enable keyboard Aug 04 00:12:36 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83689a29df62 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of 'adeeabec80174cc28a509847c43a6193d386e011' Aug 04 00:12:39 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r73def65d6a80 10/packages/ecj/ (ecj-bootstrap-native_3.3.2.bb ecj-initial_3.3.2.bb): ecj: update to version 3.3.2 Aug 04 00:12:42 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rb537f466fcda 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: classpath-native.inc: Aug 04 00:12:45 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ec8a34aef9c 10/ (285 files in 72 dirs): merge of '3f2ba26557bb371913a11a48aa9bcb4f58fd6fe5' Aug 04 00:12:48 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r02f8b81623de 10/packages/classpath/classpath-initial_0.93.bb: classpath-initial: fix libtool2 error Aug 04 00:12:51 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r33cd079606d1 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: merge of '5ae815d03c9ef1f749d3938f74dbd8e73c455921' Aug 04 00:13:04 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r45ee822cf5da 10/packages/ecj/ (ecj-bootstrap-native_3.4.bb ecj-initial_3.4.bb): ecj: update to version 3.4 Aug 04 00:13:07 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rad14da7225ed 10/packages/xorg-lib/libx11-native_1.0.1.bb: libx11-native_1.0.1: actually use 1.0.1 tarball, not 1.1.1 Aug 04 00:13:10 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b3682ee3dce 10/packages/xorg-lib/libx11-native_1.0.1.bb: merge of '175ebb8804e22098d4acb2270345622a09cb816f' Aug 04 00:13:13 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4c2004f799e 10/packages/xorg-font/ (3 files in 2 dirs): font-misc-misc: re-add apparently deleted package with no obvious Aug 04 00:13:16 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rc64803b7285a 10/packages/snes9x/ (64bit.patch snes9x_1.43-WIP1.bb): snes9x: fix cross-compiling problem with 64 bit host Aug 04 00:13:16 wow Aug 04 00:13:19 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rcdd90c8fe2ad 10/packages/openchrome/ (3 files): openchrome: add 0.2.902 Aug 04 00:13:32 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d79ac08eedb 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include dosfstools Aug 04 00:13:35 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b2d33232c83 10/ (52 files in 24 dirs): merge of '2700039073a3760641797b52ac5897f2eee3d92a' Aug 04 00:13:38 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r02ecd6127148 10/packages/mesa/ (files/mklib-cross.patch mesa-dri_6.5.2.bb mesa-dri_7.0.3.bb): mesa-dri: fix 6.5.2 cross compilation error, add 7.0.3 Aug 04 00:13:41 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r723893729f5e 10/packages/lirc/lirc-modules_0.8.3+cvs20080713.bb: lirc-modules: remove "-e" from makeflags, was causing build breakage Aug 04 00:13:44 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r8740a9f85314 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '0f42cd616108360d027b0381a276d5b1a3cf26fa' Aug 04 00:13:47 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b9e7de01f55 10/conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc: moko-autorev.inc: yank strange character from file Aug 04 00:14:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9995bb349ac0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: sane-srcdates.inc: remove strange character. my merger is broken Aug 04 00:14:03 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r545bd71cff99 10/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '6973c76c103f69158263106e5945c463a17c9759' Aug 04 00:14:06 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r27521b18e361 10/packages/openchrome/ (3 files): openchrome: adjust PACKAGES_DYNAMIC Aug 04 00:14:09 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r9894f07d4368 10/packages/tasks/task-mythfront.bb: mythfront: adjust dependencies Aug 04 00:14:12 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r64367a5b34af 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of 'bb233fef5b7011690cc33565cb45dadb42be30c7' Aug 04 00:14:15 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r850eec589010 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: kernel.bbclass: -change initramfs-logic Aug 04 00:14:28 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r3690f6d83bd3 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add linux-kexeboot: a kernel with initramfs-kernel-image as initramfs Aug 04 00:14:31 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3b5e7535d78 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp 2.6.26:-update collie patch Aug 04 00:14:34 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8198d654b2a3 10/packages/classpath/classpath-native.inc: classpath-initial: fix libtool2 error Aug 04 00:14:37 (172 lines omitted) Aug 04 00:14:41 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e06c8811ad9 10/ (356 files in 114 dirs): Merge commit 'openembedded/org.openembedded.dev' into org.openmoko.dev Aug 04 00:14:44 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a2dbad7cde0 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] remove stuff doesnt build due to java/perl breakage Aug 04 00:14:49 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r35e4e06021ec 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preffered-om-2008-versions] update some versions Aug 04 00:17:55 spamspamspam ;] Aug 04 00:18:08 * kgoetz goes :o Aug 04 00:18:27 that was huge. http://cia.vc/ i quite amusing - 200+ Aug 04 00:23:44 anyone know how to make the FR vibrate? Aug 04 00:24:22 varikin: see /etc/pulse/session .. that'll at least disable the ringtone. Aug 04 00:24:47 baird: I got that, but I would like to make it vibrate Aug 04 00:25:20 or is that not implemented yet? Aug 04 01:07:36 I found that if I specify a file that doesn't exist instead of a wav file in /etc/pulse/session, the FR will vibrate but not ring Aug 04 01:10:39 I was going to mention that on the wiki, but it appears to have gone down again.. Aug 04 01:23:33 thinking about it some more, I realized I was being stupid about it. it already vibrates with a call which is not handled by pulse audio Aug 04 01:24:12 So I commented out the line in /etc/pulse/session which stops the ringing, but it still vibrates. Aug 04 01:27:45 ah Aug 04 01:50:48 what's the wifi scanner used by most Aug 04 01:58:48 hm. battery status shown as full (hanging off usb), and i get a message saying its critically low :( Aug 04 02:11:47 I miss the orange Neo Aug 04 02:11:58 CVirus, do you have one? Aug 04 02:12:03 nope Aug 04 02:12:07 wanted to buy one Aug 04 02:12:19 I have the black one. Aug 04 02:12:22 works great. Aug 04 02:12:22 :D Aug 04 02:12:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f2/Neo1973_uboot_splash.jpg Aug 04 02:12:33 well, except not recognizing my sim card... Aug 04 02:12:42 hehe Aug 04 02:12:51 I think I'll go to bed Aug 04 02:12:53 good night all Aug 04 02:12:57 have a good one! Aug 04 02:14:27 hmm... I wish GSM worked better where I live Aug 04 02:14:43 :D Aug 04 02:15:01 I ordered a new sim card.. I hope this will fix it... Aug 04 02:15:28 * kgoetz plans to get a gsm-data only plan for the FR for the moment. use it for OSM Aug 04 02:16:00 I have just received the freerunner..... 12 hours - I have broken it twice, and fixed it three times Aug 04 02:17:52 well stopit Aug 04 02:18:35 hehe Aug 04 02:18:41 Is there a place to ask basic questions - what is the best kernal FS and bootloader to flash? Aug 04 02:18:47 dpaterso: sounds like what i did Aug 04 02:19:23 it is good to be not alone.... I thought I was pretty good with this kind of thing.... but this is ship in a bottle complicated. Aug 04 02:19:55 * kgoetz still hasnt updated his uboot Aug 04 02:20:46 * dpaterso isn't sure if I have or not Aug 04 02:21:36 I have been using VM Ubuntu from a Mac OS just to make it more fun. Aug 04 02:22:27 <---- hates noobs..... (loves irony) Aug 04 02:24:05 dpaterso: please dont pm me without asking Aug 04 02:24:12 sorry Aug 04 02:24:31 I don't know the rules, did not mean disrespect. Aug 04 02:24:37 see them now. Aug 04 02:24:40 dpaterso: Everything is still in major flux as you might have noticed, so things are pretty much hit-and-miss at this point. There are kernels/rootfs/bootloaders marked as "good" but they receive so much love that those "good" releases soon are superseded by enhanced versions that aren't marked the same way, however Aug 04 02:24:42 won't happen again Aug 04 02:24:56 hey Aug 04 02:25:18 thanks abraza Aug 04 02:26:27 dpaterso: That said, a good kernel to use is http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin since it contains the GPS+SD fixes Aug 04 02:27:43 * kgoetz downloads that to replace his current 'default kernel' Aug 04 02:27:54 Thank you Aug 04 02:28:01 abraxa_, Ho :) thx you.. exaclty what I was looking for... Aug 04 02:28:14 It says Neo1973 - this is okay for F-runner Aug 04 02:28:43 dpaterso, the link says gta02 Aug 04 02:29:02 dpaterso: its not uncommon for things to say neo1973 in them Aug 04 02:29:20 great - that is important and new infor. Aug 04 02:29:34 I really appreciate this assistance - xactly what I am looking 4 Aug 04 02:31:11 * kgoetz requests you use whole words instead of numbers - like 'for' Aug 04 02:31:19 so, abraxa.... I would just flash that kernal and then reboot? is that right. Aug 04 02:31:34 * dpaterso learning Aug 04 02:32:13 dpaterso: you would flash it with the dfu-util Aug 04 02:32:22 yes Aug 04 02:35:26 I read on the mailing list Tomorrow's U-Boot is recommended. Current U-Boot has 50% chance per Aug 04 02:35:26 boot of breaking USB device for the session (including in Linux). (august2nd) Is this still valid ? should I install the u-boot of the 3rd ? Aug 04 02:35:30 today's Aug 04 02:38:15 feydreva: did it specify what tomorrow? Aug 04 02:38:37 the email was form the 2nd.. so I am guessing the 3nd :) Aug 04 02:40:00 guess i'll wait until tonight then Aug 04 02:40:57 * kgoetz decides the batery status stuff is quite broken atm Aug 04 02:41:58 anybody has a link to download the ASU ? :) Aug 04 02:42:45 so does it matter what ,jffs2 file we use with that kernel? Aug 04 02:43:44 you wand a recent kernel, and whatever rootfs.. Aug 04 02:44:16 so i can leave the .jffs2 file on there Aug 04 02:44:31 an just flash the kernel Aug 04 02:44:38 yep Aug 04 02:44:42 ok Aug 04 02:45:00 i jsut did that, and it works Aug 04 02:45:36 ok Aug 04 02:55:06 is the usb port 1.0, 1.1, or 2.0 ? Aug 04 02:55:23 is bluetooth faster than usb for the neo or vice versa? Aug 04 02:57:12 orzo: either 1.0 or 1.1 Aug 04 02:57:21 gta01v4 Aug 04 02:57:33 (its not usb 2.0 :/) Aug 04 02:57:46 well 1.1 should still give me 1k/s Aug 04 02:57:50 approx Aug 04 02:58:00 my bluetooth test was around 200k/s Aug 04 02:58:03 er Aug 04 02:58:10 i said that wrong Aug 04 02:58:23 approximate 1M/s usb 1.1 Aug 04 02:58:36 12Mbs Aug 04 02:58:40 the buildhost just made image for GT01 last past 3days... Where can i find images of the rootfs for GT02 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008