**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008 Aug 04 03:05:10 feydreva: same place Aug 04 03:05:22 usb gave me 635k/s to bluetooth's 203k/s Aug 04 03:05:30 guess usb is faster Aug 04 03:05:59 hum... i haven;t see anything in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080803/ Aug 04 03:06:42 feydeya, based on prior chat i saw here, look for an image with a .summary extension and look possibly on later pages than the first Aug 04 03:09:42 hummm Aug 04 03:10:31 Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Aug 04 03:10:31 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Aug 04 03:10:31 Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Aug 04 03:10:31 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Aug 04 03:10:31 Resetting USB... Aug 04 03:10:32 Opening USB Device... Aug 04 03:10:34 No such Alternate Setting: "altsetting" Aug 04 03:10:36 wups Aug 04 03:10:57 wat does that mean Aug 04 03:12:28 did you try with sudo ? Aug 04 03:12:32 or beeing root Aug 04 03:12:49 Do you have another usb device hooked up? Aug 04 03:13:10 I get similar results with a d-link blue tooth adapter. Aug 04 03:13:43 ok Aug 04 03:14:07 was su Aug 04 03:14:14 in home dir Aug 04 03:14:51 :) Aug 04 03:17:52 i sa w boots Aug 04 03:20:54 what is ASU? Aug 04 03:21:31 the kernel above Aug 04 03:21:44 http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin Aug 04 03:22:04 thanks Aug 04 03:22:50 linuxxee, does that work ? Aug 04 03:24:44 yup[ Aug 04 03:25:26 hum with tis new kernl.. my gps stil doesn't work very good Aug 04 03:25:50 whatever kernel I put, I have a fix time between 5 minutes and no fix.. Aug 04 03:25:57 :( Aug 04 03:26:18 well it booted anyways Aug 04 03:26:23 I got 1minutes 32 secondes if I remove the sd card... Aug 04 03:26:38 I guess I need to do more test with that Aug 04 03:26:49 sure you have the updated kernel? Aug 04 03:27:10 i saw boots where before i didnt Aug 04 03:27:40 does we get a pair of boots with the kernel? Aug 04 03:27:53 I had the kernel of july 30th before, and now I have the one abraxa_ gave Aug 04 03:27:53 uname -a Aug 04 03:28:02 mee too Aug 04 03:28:17 i had the original 1 Aug 04 03:28:36 i m gnna step outside.... smoke a cigarette, and do some gps tests.. Aug 04 03:28:39 can i kill the tem file? Aug 04 03:28:54 ?? Aug 04 03:29:03 /tmp Aug 04 03:29:16 rm -rf /tmp/* Aug 04 03:29:38 the tmp fodler is clreaed at each reboot anywya Aug 04 03:29:50 okk Aug 04 03:30:09 my aux button is red Aug 04 03:30:12 that bad? Aug 04 03:30:44 staying on Aug 04 03:30:54 linuxxee: If it's your blood then yes Aug 04 03:31:17 it didnt before at all Aug 04 03:31:44 I wouldn't worry about it and ask alphaone later Aug 04 03:34:28 thats gonna suck the juice Aug 04 03:37:07 linuxee: it shuts off when the phone goes to suspend Aug 04 03:51:16 it didnt come back on after reboot Aug 04 03:51:59 the gps is working fine i think i registered 3 mpk swinging my arm Aug 04 03:52:11 mph* Aug 04 03:52:28 showed where im at Aug 04 03:53:28 so which rootfs u got? Aug 04 03:54:05 i think i recieved the opkg upgrade just before i flashed Aug 04 03:54:17 not certain though Aug 04 03:55:14 maybe u need the rootfs Aug 04 03:56:14 opkg upgrade then flash the kernel again see if that fixes the gps software Aug 04 03:56:36 i could be all wet though Aug 04 03:57:17 stevenS 1 wat does that light signel? Aug 04 04:00:37 2.6.24 #1 PREMPT SUN Aug 04 04:02:53 NOW I NEED WIFI Aug 04 04:02:59 sorry Aug 04 04:04:30 too bad we didn't get a green laser with the neo ~ Aug 04 04:04:41 i received a red laser Aug 04 04:04:49 i didn;t know they were some red laser :P Aug 04 04:04:53 green Aug 04 04:05:08 y burns ballons Aug 04 04:05:19 should the sd card be formatted jffs2, or is that a bad idea? Aug 04 04:05:49 orzo: get ext2 Aug 04 04:05:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMpdiDZ1iI Aug 04 04:06:34 orospakr, ext2 or ext3 Aug 04 04:06:56 ext2 prefered since it doesnt have journal and kills your sd card slower Aug 04 04:08:01 (sd cards have limited number of writes) Aug 04 04:08:14 ext3 should be fine as long as the card does wear-levelling. Aug 04 04:08:50 hum i read on the mailing list, that ext3 would be fatser, (at least at boots up) and since most sd card have wear leveling, it should be OK ... I guess that s a personal choice... Aug 04 04:08:50 well Aug 04 04:09:02 hm Aug 04 04:09:45 feydreva: it wont be faster, it will be faster only if you dont close moko propertly and you have fsck enabled at bootup Aug 04 04:10:03 well my moko isnt exactly very stable Aug 04 04:10:03 might as well get 4 4gb sd cards then Aug 04 04:10:07 torindel, with the current FSO, there is no Way of closing the moko properly... Aug 04 04:10:22 feydreva: use terminal? Aug 04 04:10:44 .... it s a freaking phone... Aug 04 04:10:54 I do not want to use the terminal to shutdown my phone... Aug 04 04:11:14 use zenity Aug 04 04:11:18 i had to use halt a couple of times Aug 04 04:11:32 its a phone. *embrace* the terminal for shutting it down Aug 04 04:11:46 at least the ASU, offer you the choice of turgnin off the phone... (sad I cannot download ASU anymore) Aug 04 04:11:50 feydreva: http://www.wklej.org/id/f49322e3b4 Aug 04 04:11:57 then use that Aug 04 04:12:25 :) Aug 04 04:12:27 you'll have full choice ;] Aug 04 04:12:33 ok :) Aug 04 04:13:14 I mean... I think it s stupid, to have to open a terminal, get your stylus, type shutdown -h now with your stylus.. all of that do shutdown your phone... Aug 04 04:13:15 you can add icons for all things you do too often ;] Aug 04 04:13:28 * torindel types without stylus Aug 04 04:13:38 wats wrong with "halt" Aug 04 04:13:39 the keuboard is ery small :) Aug 04 04:14:26 feydreva: try typping on it without stylus, also hit: dont let your finger if you dont know what you pressed and wait for zoom to show up Aug 04 04:14:33 hint* Aug 04 04:14:52 :) Aug 04 04:15:11 btw torindel any webbrowser in FSO ? :) Aug 04 04:15:36 normally no, but you can install some Aug 04 04:15:51 theres minimo and that webkit thing Aug 04 04:16:00 it does come with tangogps though, right? Aug 04 04:16:27 I did add the http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ into my okpg conf file.. but the openmoko-browser2 is not there, and minimo is not there too... Aug 04 04:16:39 orzo, yes it comes with tango Aug 04 04:17:08 feydreva: build packages yourself, or get someone who does ;] Aug 04 04:17:14 :) Aug 04 04:17:44 i like using repository that already exist :) Aug 04 04:18:12 I need to find how to build my package myself I guess... Aug 04 04:18:36 here is a question; everytime someone calls me, my phone only vibrates Aug 04 04:18:38 how do i set it to ring? Aug 04 04:19:57 Guilt: iirc /etc/pulse/something Aug 04 04:20:13 kgoetz: does it always only vibrate by default? Aug 04 04:20:18 Guilt, i lose sound when my phone goes into standby Aug 04 04:20:29 yeah. same case here Aug 04 04:20:30 Guilt: no, it doesnt Aug 04 04:20:42 rooly: good point. quite a few people haec said that Aug 04 04:21:10 yu Aug 04 04:21:10 but it usually comes back after random events Aug 04 04:21:16 still pinpointing it Aug 04 04:21:17 this is so friggin bad. Aug 04 04:21:23 because i shouldnt be losing sound. Aug 04 04:21:42 it's so important to get decent calls, right. after all, a phone is a phone. Aug 04 04:21:46 Guilt, I had the same problem with the 2007.2 version.... since I haven;t find any answer on how to make it ring, I switched to FSO.... and it rings now Aug 04 04:21:57 FSO huh? Aug 04 04:22:02 Guilt, that's the idea they've tried to discourage Aug 04 04:22:08 im under the impression that alsa pretty much sucks Aug 04 04:22:10 it's a computer that makes calls Aug 04 04:22:20 linuxxee: why? Aug 04 04:22:27 not a phone that lets you use a compiler Aug 04 04:22:32 it messes up alot Aug 04 04:22:41 just stops Aug 04 04:23:00 * rooly should make an x-server restartifier Aug 04 04:23:02 icon that is Aug 04 04:23:41 linuxxee: it's not just alsa. it's the whole thing Aug 04 04:23:53 maybe just config problems but one would think since there is only one hardware set it would be working Aug 04 04:23:54 it's all in pieces, not a whole coherent model Aug 04 04:24:05 that may be l33t, but it's not usable. Aug 04 04:24:31 ok Aug 04 04:24:45 Guilt: cry me a river ... Aug 04 04:25:41 linuxxee alsa may be buggy here and there.. but thats not a reason that it would suck... and compared to the api and features of oss (and especially the quality of drivers), ill prefer it any day Aug 04 04:25:41 kgoetz: why should I? Aug 04 04:25:48 i can sue FIC/Openmoko Aug 04 04:25:58 and then let's see who cries Aug 04 04:26:14 you can sue anyone, who you can win against is another matter ... Aug 04 04:26:25 kgoetz: it's not hard to win these things Aug 04 04:26:25 so sue me! Aug 04 04:26:26 they got their money. it's time they paid back. Aug 04 04:26:30 Guilt you can? on what grounds... remember that om isnt even a us or european company Aug 04 04:26:31 ;p Aug 04 04:26:49 well. if they want to sell in USA, i'm sure they'd have a legal license Aug 04 04:27:00 licence? to sell? Aug 04 04:27:02 wtf? Aug 04 04:27:06 only thing they need is ftc approval Aug 04 04:27:19 if one person can even shut down completely their ops in USA, that would count ;) Aug 04 04:27:26 * rooly sighs Aug 04 04:27:29 there's no US operation Aug 04 04:27:31 rooly ftc? dunno about that.. fcc is important.. the rest not. who sells it also is irrelevant Aug 04 04:27:53 let's see. these things are NOT hard, i'm telling you. Aug 04 04:27:56 ftc = federal trade commision, aka who buys and sells in the country Aug 04 04:28:02 i wanna sell some freerunners:) Aug 04 04:28:08 nobody gets away with this. Aug 04 04:28:15 they should make an actual phone Aug 04 04:28:20 gets away with what? :| Aug 04 04:28:24 that lets you use a computer Aug 04 04:28:36 wth Aug 04 04:28:38 fcc = federal communications commission, aka, thought police Aug 04 04:29:27 rooly well.. yeah.. i-'ve onlyhandled the technical aspects of the webshop, but be assured, it is PAIN selling either in the us or europe yourself. sucks. adds hassle.. needs one to tackle shit which has nothing to doi with building a phone, but more with hammering your head with walls of tax-literature Aug 04 04:30:16 this is a development modle that was stated up front so calm down Aug 04 04:30:34 most important is all the maketing that's put through. if you're hinting you're selling a phone, :-) you'd better sell a phone. Aug 04 04:30:45 * rooly sighs Aug 04 04:30:54 whiner Aug 04 04:31:01 linuxxee: loser ;) Aug 04 04:31:15 heh, my phone works just fine Aug 04 04:31:17 i LIKE my freerunner Aug 04 04:31:20 ditto Aug 04 04:31:34 * kgoetz does work and leaves the troll to feed Aug 04 04:31:35 guilt sell it on ebay PLEASE Aug 04 04:31:48 Guilt its sad you expected a fully working phone, but to be fair, thats not what was advertised. Aug 04 04:31:52 i will list it for u Aug 04 04:31:53 rooly: good for you. except a. the battery discharges fast until power management is on and b. the sound doesnt work if the power management is on Aug 04 04:31:58 u in the usa? Aug 04 04:31:58 which makes it really unusable. Aug 04 04:32:08 works fine for me, Guilt Aug 04 04:32:14 roh: just a working phone, not just the works. Aug 04 04:32:14 it does everything i expect of it Aug 04 04:32:17 Guilt and since you could even run the software in a emulator on your pc before buying you should have known the state it is in.. not done yet. Aug 04 04:32:28 maybe u got a bad battery Aug 04 04:32:36 rooly: power management doesnt work the same way like it does here. Aug 04 04:32:42 i bought 3 an 1 was bad Aug 04 04:32:42 heh, this pratter reminds me of 2.0.2x kernel days and insconsistant dancing gerbil web pages. \o/ Aug 04 04:33:04 err, power management works just like i expect it to as well Aug 04 04:33:04 thats it guilt kickem a little Aug 04 04:33:17 rooly: what image works for u? Aug 04 04:33:25 using the latest 2007.2 Aug 04 04:33:26 ill help HEEEEEAAAA get up Aug 04 04:33:29 updated today Aug 04 04:33:39 the one yesterday doesnt work? Aug 04 04:33:48 didn't update yesterday Aug 04 04:33:51 torindel, hum I tried adding the file shudown.desktop, it did'nt work... Aug 04 04:33:53 i am using the one on 20080801 Aug 04 04:34:02 and for no reason, sound doesnt work on resume/ Aug 04 04:34:20 Guilt: look at moko.mwester.net - there's a tip there about fixing pulseaudio's suspend/resume behaviour. But I agree with the others, if you're that unhappy then just sell your FR Aug 04 04:34:22 guilt, the phone was never advertised to be finished and fully working Aug 04 04:34:24 i havent seen the patches yet. but i thought it was supposed to. Aug 04 04:34:29 battery runs about 5-8h when only blanking the display. the phone needs to suspend to memory (as every smartphone does) to get longer runtimes. and it does (besides some bugs) Aug 04 04:34:40 mmontour: thanks Aug 04 04:34:47 i did too an then flashed to this Aug 04 04:34:50 http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+gitr62+855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4-om-gta02.bin Aug 04 04:35:12 gps works now Aug 04 04:35:42 actually 5-8h with gps on all the time here ;) Aug 04 04:35:55 linuxxee: is there an indicator of maximum bat capacity? Aug 04 04:36:03 did opkg upgrade then flashed to this kernel Aug 04 04:36:05 about the suspend thing... did you read and tried : http://moko.mwester.net/gtk.html Aug 04 04:36:06 should do 1-2 days of regular usage as a phone when the software is complete Aug 04 04:36:09 there is none i see in /proc or /sys in terms of mAh Aug 04 04:36:38 feydreva: ja. Aug 04 04:36:45 Guilt /sys/class/power something.. theres a bat0/ and then the variables reported by the battery Aug 04 04:36:58 im gonna do a trip Aug 04 04:36:59 linuxxee: if there is a defective bat, i can ask my retailer to give me a new on Aug 04 04:37:05 standard linux 2.6 power class interface Aug 04 04:37:10 can you guys post ur max capacity/current capacity ? Aug 04 04:37:44 Guilt please be aware that the values are raw from the device.. doesnt neccessarily be mAh .. need to check that Aug 04 04:38:32 both my good ones showed a batt cap. of green bar all the way to the top an the bad battery only went to 3/4 capacity an was noticebly warm Aug 04 04:38:52 after 1 hour charge time Aug 04 04:39:15 btw guys, what does the red led mean when charging? Aug 04 04:39:45 linuxxee when charging with the 1/2A charger instead of usb the battery can get hand-warm.. should not get 'hot' Aug 04 04:40:06 hot means you want to pull away your hand when touching it continuesly for some seconds Aug 04 04:40:34 well the good pair dont heat up as much Aug 04 04:40:40 linuxxee: it says my battery is charged to like 85% odd Aug 04 04:40:55 but, it discharges quickly Aug 04 04:41:02 it could be defective Aug 04 04:41:02 with power management disabled. Aug 04 04:41:07 maybe in 3-4 hrs. Aug 04 04:41:17 no gps on? Aug 04 04:41:25 if i had an exact figure on max capacity/avail capacity, i could ask the retailer. Aug 04 04:41:33 no gps, no wifi, no bluetooth Aug 04 04:41:46 sounds bad Aug 04 04:41:50 buy 1 Aug 04 04:42:01 u need an extra 1 any Aug 04 04:42:05 way Aug 04 04:42:21 find 1 outa a used phone Aug 04 04:42:22 linuxxee: but i don't need it if i have the standalone charger, right? Aug 04 04:42:31 like a nokia battery? Aug 04 04:42:44 if its bad get rid of it Aug 04 04:43:00 well. first, i need a replacement, i'm not going to go without it. how much does a bat cost/ Aug 04 04:43:05 no need melting thr freerunner Aug 04 04:43:24 Guilt: $15~ Aug 04 04:43:53 are FiC batteries defective? Aug 04 04:43:56 each time I do a opkg -test upgrade, i get a segmentation fault, and you ? and how to correct that ? Aug 04 04:44:22 feydreva: i dont have that. Aug 04 04:44:30 hum Aug 04 04:44:42 maybe u can find a compatable att gophone for 15 bucks at walmart then u got a prepaid sim a charger an proly a battery if u research it a little Aug 04 04:44:58 kgoetz, what rootfs do you use Aug 04 04:44:59 ? Aug 04 04:45:28 /etc/version? Aug 04 04:45:30 feydreva: Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 + updates Aug 04 04:45:41 k Aug 04 04:46:29 everyone i talk to on the neo complains about a very bad echo Aug 04 04:46:45 i dont really want to use a headset Aug 04 04:46:48 orzo: funny, I've never had that problem Aug 04 04:46:56 really Aug 04 04:46:56 although I've read other people have it Aug 04 04:47:07 yeah, I don't know if the people I talk to are just really polite Aug 04 04:47:10 maybe your friends are just too polite to gripe Aug 04 04:47:18 I'm like "how's the voice quality" and they say "great" Aug 04 04:47:20 right :) Aug 04 04:47:37 well something needs to be done about it Aug 04 04:47:40 it sucks Aug 04 04:47:48 i get mixed results depending on the antenna's connection quality Aug 04 04:48:01 yeah, I think the problem is related to transmit power Aug 04 04:48:08 well i figure it is becdause the mic is picking up the speaker Aug 04 04:48:16 you're supposed to modulate transmit power depending on the proximity to the base station or something Aug 04 04:48:30 I'm not sure, there were some confusing threads about it Aug 04 04:48:51 so even if i used a headset it would happen? Aug 04 04:48:59 cjb: the transmit power is related to the buzzing noise that some people get. AFAIK it has no effect on the echo. Aug 04 04:49:04 cjb: check wiki there was something about that, you can fix that in alsamixer, but it'll get back after some time anyway Aug 04 04:49:26 mmontour: ah, so. Aug 04 04:49:42 orzo: sounds like it would be fixed with a headset Aug 04 04:50:20 ok Aug 04 04:50:26 well the phone should be usable without a headset Aug 04 04:50:29 anyone know of any bluetooth aps? Aug 04 04:50:37 or will i have to make one Aug 04 04:51:15 is it possible to filter what we transmit to cancel what we output via the earpiece? Aug 04 04:51:54 sure it is. creative does it in their hardware Aug 04 04:52:03 cjb, orzo: check this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1322 Aug 04 04:52:39 huh Aug 04 04:52:46 try muting "Amp Stat" in alsamixer before calling Aug 04 04:53:09 just keep in mind it can unmute by itself after some time Aug 04 04:53:34 linuxxee: can you paste me this output: for i in /sys/class/power_supply/bat/* ; do echo $i\:; cat $i; done Aug 04 04:53:49 as a pastebin file? i can check and ask my retailer for a bat replacement. Aug 04 04:55:24 orzo: it might be possible to do echo cancellation. However this would require routing the audio through the ADC/DAC so that you could process it from Linux. This would add some latency to the conversation (not sure how much) Aug 04 04:56:13 Guilt, the command you asked linuxee to run.... what does that do ? Aug 04 04:56:46 Guilt, my FR is connected to the PC, and it says status, not charging... but the battery is not full :/ Aug 04 04:57:03 what does apm say? Aug 04 04:57:23 is it a windows pc? Aug 04 04:57:33 you realize that you have to do something special in that case Aug 04 04:57:34 debian : Aug 04 04:57:39 spam... Aug 04 04:57:43 100 Aug 04 04:57:43 1216656 Aug 04 04:57:57 feydreva: it just lists the contents. Aug 04 04:58:05 and rest too, pastebin your outputs Aug 04 04:58:11 12750 Aug 04 04:58:13 i want to verify the max capacity, etc. Aug 04 04:58:13 cat: read error: Is a directory Aug 04 04:58:15 1 Aug 04 04:58:17 cat: read error: Is a directory Aug 04 04:58:19 1 Aug 04 04:58:21 Not charging Aug 04 04:58:25 cat: read error: Is a directory Aug 04 04:58:27 Li-ion Aug 04 04:58:29 308 Aug 04 04:58:31 359580 Aug 04 04:58:33 3932100 Aug 04 04:58:35 Battery Aug 04 04:58:36 feydreva: don't post it here, oooooooh. Aug 04 04:58:37 POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=bat Aug 04 04:58:38 ~pastebin Aug 04 04:58:39 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Aug 04 04:58:39 POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery Aug 04 04:58:40 pastebin. Aug 04 04:58:41 POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging Aug 04 04:58:43 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4171000 Aug 04 04:58:45 POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=12750 Aug 04 04:58:47 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1216656 Aug 04 04:58:47 :\ Aug 04 04:58:49 POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=308 Aug 04 04:58:51 POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion Aug 04 04:58:55 POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 Aug 04 04:58:57 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=359580 Aug 04 04:58:59 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 Aug 04 04:59:01 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=100 Aug 04 04:59:03 POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 Aug 04 04:59:05 4171000 Aug 04 04:59:09 feydreva: stop pls :> Aug 04 04:59:20 he just ctrl-C/-Ved Aug 04 04:59:25 i guess that's automatic Aug 04 04:59:33 soory I didn;t know about pastebin :/. Aug 04 04:59:36 * rooly runs the script Aug 04 05:00:34 http://pastebin.com/m6cd09a2f Aug 04 05:00:42 ^_^ Aug 04 05:00:46 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/134 Aug 04 05:02:03 feydreva: you also might want to get wgetpaste script ;] Aug 04 05:02:50 i m looking at that :) Aug 04 05:04:14 for me it's 1128477. shit. my bat is defective by 10% Aug 04 05:05:07 feydreva: you seem to be having a +1maH battery ;) Aug 04 05:05:14 :) Aug 04 05:05:26 lol. i wonder why it's hard to make batteries that consistent Aug 04 05:05:29 but a battery that is not charging :/ Aug 04 05:06:03 plug normal charger Aug 04 05:06:19 wait a while and check again Aug 04 05:06:30 normal charger seems to work.. Aug 04 05:06:36 my charge full is 1163463 Aug 04 05:06:46 but I thought the usb cable would charge my phone too Aug 04 05:07:09 rooly: mine is 1182027 Aug 04 05:07:11 something is busted with mine. Aug 04 05:07:13 there was an update a few days ago that killed it. should be working again now Aug 04 05:07:23 to empty now is 10230 and to full now is 393blah Aug 04 05:07:24 grrr Aug 04 05:07:53 rooly: also keep in mind its lion battery Aug 04 05:08:46 okay. it looks alright. Aug 04 05:09:01 usb connection only charges if the computer is on and allows it pulling 500mA Aug 04 05:09:04 torindel: isn't there a way to print current charge capacity? Aug 04 05:09:08 at 100% Aug 04 05:09:42 usb includes a handshake where devices ask for power and get it only when there is enough left in the budget of the port (or portgroup) Aug 04 05:09:55 e.g. my thinkpad has 3 usb ports.. one on the left and 2 on the right. Aug 04 05:09:56 e.x., by dell battery: Aug 04 05:09:57 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=7800000 Aug 04 05:09:57 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=5713000 Aug 04 05:10:28 only one of the 2 on the right side can be used in 500mA mode and the left one can always give 500mA Aug 04 05:10:33 'apm' tell syou battery status Aug 04 05:10:51 wait. it's 12mAH, right? ;D Aug 04 05:10:52 well Aug 04 05:10:58 and mine is only 11 mAH. Aug 04 05:11:02 where did that 1 go? Aug 04 05:11:04 :-) Aug 04 05:11:10 means if i already have a external hdd without its own psu plugged, i'll eat the 500mA and the neo only will get 100 or so from the host. Aug 04 05:11:20 so i plug it on the left side always Aug 04 05:11:29 so mine is effectively only 92% of it's intended capacity. Aug 04 05:11:32 * Guilt slasps FIC Aug 04 05:11:53 Guilt the battery is speced at 1200mAh total capacity Aug 04 05:12:05 what'd i miss Aug 04 05:12:14 roh: lucky you, I got only one 500mA port on my HP laptop =P Aug 04 05:12:38 jah. roh: http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/134 Aug 04 05:12:46 did u charge it fully before the initial use? hahahahahaha Aug 04 05:13:15 or did u plug it in an turn it on? Aug 04 05:13:17 if you have it as: POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1163463 Aug 04 05:13:28 it means, that's max what the battery can take. Aug 04 05:13:35 hum... if I change usb port... it works (menaing status=charging) Aug 04 05:13:51 there isn't a POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN, but it should be 1200000 Aug 04 05:13:56 I guess some usb prot allows to draw currents, some other do not.. (I have a T60, and there is 3 usb port) Aug 04 05:13:56 1163463 -> 1163.xxx mAh Aug 04 05:14:06 and linuxxee yeah i did Aug 04 05:14:07 ;p Aug 04 05:14:26 yeah. it should be 1200, look at feydreva's Aug 04 05:14:37 feydreva all ports allow.. but the '2 ports together' are often only wired on one overcurrent measurement domain Aug 04 05:14:38 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1216656 Aug 04 05:14:49 that's ^ his value. Aug 04 05:14:50 ok Aug 04 05:14:55 are we getting ripped off? ;p Aug 04 05:15:01 Guilt: i said its lion battery Aug 04 05:15:18 hey, all you guys log onto tangogps and show off your locations Aug 04 05:15:23 well. does that mean it's unpredictable? ;) Aug 04 05:15:52 Guilt: i.e. it should be charged and keep constant at about 50-60% if you dont want it to lose capacity Aug 04 05:15:56 rooly: i'm a bit sus on tangogps. i enabled 'friends only' and had a screen fuill off little dots - wtf. Aug 04 05:16:05 Guilt not really.. thats within manufacturing tolerance i would guess.. also that value is not calibrated and it could take a few cycles to have the coloumb-counter (the circuit inside the battery) has swung itself in. Aug 04 05:16:27 if you fully charge/discharge it and leave it as is it will lose capacity Aug 04 05:16:48 its not a 'exact electron counter' and also doesnt know how full the battery is when it gets soldered. thus it needs some cycles to 'learn' Aug 04 05:17:15 roh: feydreva's or mine/rooly ? Aug 04 05:17:26 both :) Aug 04 05:17:29 lol kgoetz Aug 04 05:17:35 I went once to full discharge.... Aug 04 05:17:39 1216656 is more around 1200000 than 116blah Aug 04 05:17:42 * rooly downloaded the latest tarball from the tangogps site Aug 04 05:17:47 and back to full charge jsut after Aug 04 05:17:50 works much better now Aug 04 05:18:00 but for some reason, it won't start from the application launger Aug 04 05:18:02 *launcher Aug 04 05:18:34 guilt does your phone work? Aug 04 05:18:49 linuxxee: like how? Aug 04 05:18:53 torindel: That's one of the things I found very hard to remember when I first moved from using NiMH batteries to using Li-ion. I guess half of the instructions for charging li-ion are still copy-pasted from Ni-MH instruction. Aug 04 05:18:55 dial out Aug 04 05:19:00 yeah. it does Aug 04 05:19:04 recieve a call etc Aug 04 05:19:15 i miss a lot of calls because of power management Aug 04 05:19:37 i'm in the next room, it only vibrates. i need to apply this guy's fix Aug 04 05:19:44 also lion batteries dont like high temperatures and lose capacity then Aug 04 05:20:17 Rakshasa hrhr... i hope not... li-ion and li-poly stuff is really tricky to charge, compared to ni-mh ni-cd and pb stuff Aug 04 05:20:20 buy a good go phone for 15 bucks an use it when u break down put your sim in the gophone Aug 04 05:22:18 i plug into the wall charger an the red light goes off Aug 04 05:22:26 linuxxee: it's one of those reasons i've deferred buying another phone: to get this guy usable. Aug 04 05:22:45 maybe i need to switch usb ports Aug 04 05:22:49 if i had just chosen, i'd be one of those iPhone/Nokia fellas Aug 04 05:23:22 i guess money is no obsticle for u then Aug 04 05:23:38 it's not about money. it's something else. Aug 04 05:23:44 u wanna buy some ringtones Aug 04 05:23:48 i have saven a bit, too ;p Aug 04 05:23:52 lol Aug 04 05:23:55 and i don't buy ringtones ;p Aug 04 05:23:57 im a loser Aug 04 05:24:02 saved* Aug 04 05:24:18 i just take some mp3s off the net and scp it over ;p Aug 04 05:24:34 Index+of+mp3 Aug 04 05:24:35 ;) Aug 04 05:25:36 how to snip it with command line? Aug 04 05:25:46 morning Aug 04 05:26:04 linuxxee: write a perl script ;) Aug 04 05:26:05 i tested tangogps yesterday and got some noise, is that normal? Aug 04 05:26:11 i even get it with SD-card removed Aug 04 05:26:26 is this something to worry about? Aug 04 05:27:17 anyone ever get "registration denied" message from SIM card? Aug 04 05:27:27 :o\ Aug 04 05:27:45 wats your siim # Aug 04 05:27:51 undrwater: i havent, but i know others havce Aug 04 05:27:56 undrwater: yes, with AT&T Aug 04 05:28:09 cjb: any resolution? Aug 04 05:28:17 sim number Aug 04 05:28:40 71234 O works Aug 04 05:28:50 beni_: dont forget abouut ssignaal reflections from buildings etc Aug 04 05:28:51 undrwater: not really. try a different SIM, try rebooting a few times. Aug 04 05:29:04 71234 G they sent me shorts out on the tab Aug 04 05:29:06 beni_: there will always be _some_ noise. What was the magnitude of the problem? Aug 04 05:29:28 i've got 71234G Aug 04 05:29:38 who do i ask? Aug 04 05:29:52 look at it a see if it the brass colored contacts are offset to one side Aug 04 05:29:55 beni_: also dont forget how gps antena is placed in fr Aug 04 05:30:20 i was at the store yesterday...they didn't give me the impression that i could keep trying new cards Aug 04 05:30:33 undrwater: it worked okay for me Aug 04 05:30:42 I explained that the cards they had had different letters after the 71234 Aug 04 05:30:46 and they looked at it was true Aug 04 05:30:52 and they let me try another one without charging me for it Aug 04 05:30:59 put it in the holder a look at the bent tabs an see if the tab is contacting the brass colored contact Aug 04 05:31:00 but it didn't help so much :( Aug 04 05:31:45 anyone mess with mesh adhoc networking? Aug 04 05:31:51 i bet it shorts on the tab Aug 04 05:31:58 cjb: still not registering? Aug 04 05:32:01 cjb Aug 04 05:32:04 linuxxee: i'll take a look Aug 04 05:32:12 undrwater: it works most times, and sometimes requires a reboot Aug 04 05:32:16 or a restart of gsmd/zhone Aug 04 05:32:28 i've been getting a headache messing with olsrd and my openwrt routers Aug 04 05:32:30 once it's registered it stays working Aug 04 05:32:34 it needs a sim thats not offset to one side Aug 04 05:32:52 one that the contacts are centered on Aug 04 05:33:37 they gave me a 71234 O when i went up there Aug 04 05:33:47 linuxxee: what's the "tab" you're speaking of? Aug 04 05:33:54 I'd love to see photos Aug 04 05:33:59 of a correct SIM and problem SIM Aug 04 05:34:30 the holder has 2 tabs holding the sim Aug 04 05:34:55 linuxxee: just saw what you're talking about Aug 04 05:35:04 that's crazy Aug 04 05:35:15 its touching a contact isnt it Aug 04 05:35:24 yep Aug 04 05:35:31 the sim is a bad manufacture Aug 04 05:35:42 can i cover it? Aug 04 05:35:53 kd8ikt: i havent, but i can point you to people who have Aug 04 05:35:58 an i think it may have run my battery down faster Aug 04 05:36:24 no go to a att store an trade it in Aug 04 05:36:36 for free Aug 04 05:36:45 yeah...i won't go to the mall store Aug 04 05:36:49 defective equipment Aug 04 05:36:58 did you show them your phone? Aug 04 05:37:15 yup Aug 04 05:37:24 they freak out? Aug 04 05:37:28 it was not a problem at all Aug 04 05:37:51 I showed it to a guy and said I had an unlocked phone Aug 04 05:37:58 and he was like "oh, is that European?" Aug 04 05:38:02 and I was like "... yeah." Aug 04 05:38:05 heheheh Aug 04 05:38:07 and then he was very helpful :) Aug 04 05:38:18 any of you tried putting small piece of isolation tape on sim where it short circuts contacts? Aug 04 05:38:41 what's isolation tape? or just a fancy word? Aug 04 05:38:49 torindel: nope. I'd moved away from thinking that was the problem, since I don't move the SIM inside the phone and yet it works sporadically. Aug 04 05:38:55 undrwater: non-conductive tape. Aug 04 05:39:06 i think that since the contacts are all slid over that that is only a temp solution if it even works at all Aug 04 05:39:10 electrical? Aug 04 05:39:14 yeah Aug 04 05:39:34 usually black Aug 04 05:39:37 plus the tab is kinda tight Aug 04 05:39:50 mine has some play right now Aug 04 05:40:00 it will wad up your cheap black tape Aug 04 05:40:15 :D Aug 04 05:42:14 my brkt fell off an it took some time to get it back on properly Aug 04 05:42:46 when i had a hold of it with plires Aug 04 05:43:54 well? Aug 04 05:44:06 taped Aug 04 05:45:07 if it was loose it probly made more phone calls than i did Aug 04 05:48:58 are u calling now? Aug 04 05:49:43 no news is good news Aug 04 05:50:28 reboot a couple just so u are shure Aug 04 05:50:39 sure$ Aug 04 05:51:21 every time i rebooted or changed the battery it would not register Aug 04 05:51:33 sometimes all day Aug 04 05:51:47 many reboots Aug 04 05:52:20 then bang iit would hook up an work untill i rebooted Aug 04 05:53:47 ok i need help with my wifi;) Aug 04 05:55:47 i have wpa turned on on the dlink router Aug 04 05:56:31 i just instaled the today's image of 2007.2..... Aug 04 05:56:45 ssh do not work anymore ? need to install somehing else ? Aug 04 05:57:13 can u ping? Aug 04 05:57:20 and the red light is always on.... Aug 04 05:57:24 still registering... Aug 04 05:58:08 ping -c 4 www.google.com Aug 04 05:58:19 my computer sees it dmesg : usb 4-1: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget Aug 04 05:58:28 but no network connectoin Aug 04 05:58:31 ~qtopia Aug 04 05:58:32 qtopia is probably Trolltech's comprehensive application platform for embedded Linux based PDAs, mobile phones, web pads, and other mobile computing devices. Engineered in Brisbane Australia. http://qtopia.net | #qtopia Aug 04 05:58:40 \o/ apt is here Aug 04 05:58:53 denied Aug 04 05:59:11 go to the att store:) Aug 04 06:00:04 just get 1 that the contacts are centered on the paper an all will be well i think Aug 04 06:00:33 will do...already looking for store(s) in my area Aug 04 06:00:35 your contacts are offset to one side --correct? Aug 04 06:00:40 yep Aug 04 06:00:52 thats the problem Aug 04 06:01:14 they will reregister u to Aug 04 06:02:26 reregister? Aug 04 06:03:05 hook u up to the new sim Aug 04 06:03:10 right! Aug 04 06:03:26 and i'll be able to use it with my mundane phone? Aug 04 06:03:35 yup Aug 04 06:03:54 it even worked in a gophone for me Aug 04 06:04:33 so which distro is in the lead today? Aug 04 06:04:42 someone keeping tabs? Aug 04 06:04:56 linuxxee: thanks for this info, btw! Aug 04 06:05:23 np Aug 04 06:05:25 railer: today? -__- Aug 04 06:05:26 railer: it's close between 2007.2 and FSO Aug 04 06:05:32 ??? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Aug 04 06:05:37 no qtopia images? Aug 04 06:05:38 FSO does lots of suspend/resumes and I think audio craps out after that Aug 04 06:05:41 FSO II killed my dialtone Aug 04 06:05:48 i trid to edit the wiki but it got removed Aug 04 06:06:23 (i should say asu builds) Aug 04 06:08:12 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrIe0AbTyBY&feature=dir Aug 04 06:08:29 2007.2 loses sound after suspend / resume Aug 04 06:09:05 ;lol Aug 04 06:10:05 cute vid Aug 04 06:10:06 torindel: i will check the magnitude from the noise the next hours, but i mostly got "horizontal acceleration" about 1-3 kmh, with peaks around 5-6 kmh. Vertical i often have hops between 20-30 meters. Aug 04 06:10:10 mmontour: Aug 04 06:10:20 freerunner saddle an a long lanyard Aug 04 06:11:09 my gps seemed to work very well Aug 04 06:12:36 proly need to put the maps on an 8 gig sdcard Aug 04 06:13:13 beni_: you should point top of moko to the sky (not the display), and check in area where are no buildings, (also you can try turning off wifi and gsm for tests) Aug 04 06:18:09 i will do. but i need to do here at work, so i unfortunately cant have "clean sky". But approx 180° of the sky are without buildings or trees etc. Aug 04 06:18:25 i run FSO currently, how do i turn of wifi, gsm etc? Aug 04 06:18:29 so, I'm going to flash my neo again, any new recommendations? Aug 04 06:18:35 first time in two weeks Aug 04 06:19:43 ya I have a question you were satisfied with a distro for 2 weeks? Aug 04 06:19:58 which one? Aug 04 06:20:49 beni_: wifi is turned off by default Aug 04 06:20:53 cool Aug 04 06:21:28 doc|home: get fso milestone2 if you havent seen it Aug 04 06:21:28 the "satellites" label in tangoGPS, what do the numbers mean? /? Aug 04 06:22:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4736e598747c 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Connman needs libhal to build, make sure it is there Aug 04 06:22:59 railer: I wasn't really using it all that much, but qtopia seriously pissed me off today, with not being able to type in numbers when a call was in place leaving me hanging as a tried to top up my credit. Took me about 8 attempts to uses fido's terrible voice based updates Aug 04 06:24:08 torindel: thanks, mind if I ask for a link to a brief summary of advantages of it over the others? Wasn't seeing much in distribution page Aug 04 06:24:54 doc|home: look on wiki Aug 04 06:25:03 theres distro comparation Aug 04 06:25:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Aug 04 06:25:11 and I'm not seeing much Aug 04 06:25:48 try them all Aug 04 06:25:55 :) Aug 04 06:25:58 I just did Aug 04 06:26:18 qtopia, FSO II, 2007.2 Aug 04 06:26:45 and ASU Aug 04 06:26:54 all have good and bad Aug 04 06:28:21 is there a u-booot around that can boot from ext3 SD card? Aug 04 06:28:32 menu item Aug 04 06:28:46 railer: exactly :/ Aug 04 06:29:31 i jsut installed ntp.. how do you configure it so it give the "good" time Aug 04 06:29:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r30c31dae65ae 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Connman needs libhal to build, make sure it is there Aug 04 06:30:23 it's not like this will be your last flash, so try them all, play with them for a day and try another Aug 04 06:31:28 the "satellites" label in tangoGPS, what do the numbers mean? /? An what is that number right of it? Aug 04 06:32:44 FSO II looks nice but the phone don't work for me Aug 04 06:34:24 well that's a bit self-defeating :D Aug 04 06:34:30 * doc|home flashing with fso II now Aug 04 06:35:26 railer: i.e.? Aug 04 06:35:47 dialer doesnt start or? Aug 04 06:35:57 I'm going back to 2007.2 I think there is a new upgrade, qtopia is the prettiest, torindel ie what? Aug 04 06:36:02 fso 2 is they only one for which phone works, in the sense that it does not break after a rejected call or something like that; there are problems with too short timeouts on PINs tho. Aug 04 06:36:27 hmmm, actually, my phone didn't ask me for a pin when I started it up under qtopia Aug 04 06:36:32 didn't realise that until there Aug 04 06:37:07 railer: i.e. = in example? Aug 04 06:37:10 make fso-image: ERROR: Build of /home/kero/OM/moko/openembedded/packages/python/python-pyyaml_3.05.bb do_fetch failed Aug 04 06:37:15 beh Aug 04 06:38:00 Kero: get if from for ex. distfiles.gentoo.org and put it by hand into source dir and generate md5 Aug 04 06:38:04 now it might just be me but I hang no dial tone and no ringing, just gets phone when picked up Aug 04 06:39:21 torindel: will try (tomorrow, I think, gonna be a busy day) Aug 04 06:40:07 I've tried fiddeling with the sim but no difference Aug 04 06:42:33 FSO II? Aug 04 06:42:37 where to see that? Aug 04 06:43:40 define "where to see that"? Aug 04 06:44:01 * doc|home boots into fso II Aug 04 06:44:07 and apm don't work on FOSII Aug 04 06:44:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_3 Aug 04 06:44:20 woah, empty flash at 0x00..... Aug 04 06:44:28 lots of scrolling of that Aug 04 06:44:44 doc|home: you probably flashed gta01? Aug 04 06:44:52 image Aug 04 06:45:06 i did that by accident, got that Aug 04 06:45:12 oh arse Aug 04 06:45:24 weird, I wonder how I managed that, because I did see there were 2 Aug 04 06:45:35 short question, yesterday i flashed a new uboot and a new kernel; do i need to reflash those if i switch distribution? Aug 04 06:45:35 the gta02 image is named different Aug 04 06:45:37 ah, but not on rootfs Aug 04 06:45:40 or is flashing rootfs enough? Aug 04 06:45:44 * doc|home smacks self Aug 04 06:45:46 has .summary aty the end Aug 04 06:45:50 no idea why Aug 04 06:45:53 my battery appears to not e charging. anyone noticed this behavior? Aug 04 06:46:26 weird, it booted anyway Aug 04 06:46:58 can some one with a default image tell me the content of /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf Aug 04 06:47:20 doc|home: yeah it boots, jus some thing won't work Aug 04 06:47:40 * doc|home nods Aug 04 06:48:01 beni_, you probably do not need to re flash... Aug 04 06:48:08 hmmm Aug 04 06:48:11 do I need openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary ? Aug 04 06:48:22 there's no jffs2 Aug 04 06:48:25 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 04 06:48:36 doc|home: yes Aug 04 06:48:37 doc|home, yes that s the one Aug 04 06:48:38 .summary will work Aug 04 06:48:43 beni_: since the kernel is so quick to flash, I always reflash it along with the jffs2, in case the module versions are different. Aug 04 06:48:54 ok. thanks both Aug 04 06:48:55 doc|home: the .summary one Aug 04 06:48:59 doc|home: .summary is just a faster .jffs2 Aug 04 06:49:02 but shouldnt the rootfs not hold any kernel info? Aug 04 06:49:03 Its a processed jffs2 file, speeds up mounting Aug 04 06:49:04 (faster to load) Aug 04 06:49:15 rwhitby: why? Aug 04 06:49:16 it hought all kernel info is in uimage Aug 04 06:49:22 beni_: modular kernel - modules in rootfs must match kernel version Aug 04 06:49:24 can some one with a default image tell me the content of /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf Aug 04 06:49:38 rwhitby: faster = good Aug 04 06:49:48 goodwill: what is the definition of "default" ? Aug 04 06:49:51 what the name of the utility for gps testing ? Aug 04 06:49:55 * beni_ thougt that modules are inside the uimage stuff Aug 04 06:49:58 doc|home: only faster to mount, no other difference Aug 04 06:50:01 ok, then i reflash kernel as well Aug 04 06:50:09 if the version is different Aug 04 06:50:16 rwhitby: faster to flash or boot? Aug 04 06:50:20 rwhitby: what ever fr has when shipped Aug 04 06:50:22 * doc|home thinks flash Aug 04 06:50:24 doc|home: boot Aug 04 06:50:28 ah, even better Aug 04 06:50:37 rwhitby: why is it faster to boot? Aug 04 06:50:48 goodwill: first google hit for "jffs2 summary" Aug 04 06:50:57 goodwill, src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all Aug 04 06:51:15 feydreva: thank you Aug 04 06:51:20 ;D Aug 04 06:52:29 rwhitby: nice, thank you Aug 04 06:54:30 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r49b968c04480 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: Aug 04 06:54:30 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Use self.curline instead of curline. Aug 04 06:54:30 freesmartphone.org: Patch by torindel@gmail.com, thanks. This fixes #62 Aug 04 07:00:13 i think, with ASU Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080804-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is the summary jffs2? Aug 04 07:00:23 since there is a .nosummary as well? Aug 04 07:01:14 anyone know the latest gtk version? or where it is? Aug 04 07:03:54 'morning Aug 04 07:06:14 eh, wtf Aug 04 07:06:32 fso dimmed, then went into suspend while I was tapping on the screen... Aug 04 07:06:53 doc Aug 04 07:07:19 yes? Aug 04 07:07:28 I believe in FSO II it can actually tell if you are boring, and will react accordingly Aug 04 07:07:33 hahaha Aug 04 07:07:38 * doc|home fines railer one testicle Aug 04 07:07:44 lol Aug 04 07:07:54 great i get segfault when i try to opkg i get segfault Aug 04 07:08:15 and now it has decided it will be picky about when it will and won't pay attention to scrolling requests Aug 04 07:08:28 yey. E just SEGV'd Aug 04 07:09:26 ok, fso is fast getting on my nerves Aug 04 07:10:04 ya see told ya, but the gps looks great Aug 04 07:10:30 I'd try it if it'd stop fucking suspending Aug 04 07:10:35 :) Aug 04 07:10:50 you can change it Aug 04 07:11:22 wrench icon, power Aug 04 07:11:35 power out might be on 5 seconds Aug 04 07:12:15 yeah, but that's no good if it means you have 100% power all the time Aug 04 07:12:25 it's not like it gets when it's actually in use Aug 04 07:12:41 well your can adjust it Aug 04 07:12:47 or turn it off Aug 04 07:13:20 I did, it refuses Aug 04 07:13:25 how Vancouver? Aug 04 07:13:32 "you know what, screw yo... *suspend*" Aug 04 07:13:32 flash again Aug 04 07:13:48 I did, this is the correct version Aug 04 07:14:04 no something else Aug 04 07:14:33 im going back to 2007.2 Aug 04 07:14:33 yeah Aug 04 07:14:50 you tried qtopia? Aug 04 07:15:20 qtiopa I think is the most stable Aug 04 07:15:28 and most intuitive Aug 04 07:15:53 i r dual boot Aug 04 07:16:00 it actually worked well changed because couldn't add games, or I think I wanted to try FSO II Aug 04 07:17:21 given sean's "we don't really have any design plans" email to the list, I'm not holding my breath on asu Aug 04 07:18:09 you know where the latest 2007.2 is? Aug 04 07:18:29 2007.2 is dead, asu replaced it I think Aug 04 07:19:01 seriously? Aug 04 07:19:25 then why is it still on the distros? Aug 04 07:19:30 * doc|home shrugs Aug 04 07:19:39 read the sections above that Aug 04 07:19:57 ASU will replace it.. Aug 04 07:19:58 "2007.2 development driven by openmoko inc. has basically stopped and resources are allocated in favor of asu, while the community currently does the effort to 'rescue' the 2007.2 telephony apps and pull them to the future middleware from FSO" Aug 04 07:20:11 i.e. they're throwing shit at a fan and waiting to see what sticks Aug 04 07:20:21 once it stable enough.. or actually.. SHR will.. Aug 04 07:20:28 heh Aug 04 07:21:12 but i think that any kind of usable build of SHR is still at least weeks, if not months, away Aug 04 07:21:53 * kd8ikt leans toward months Aug 04 07:22:06 seems reasonable Aug 04 07:22:07 i tend to agree with kd8ikt Aug 04 07:22:24 fso will take at least a year to mature Aug 04 07:22:25 yeah i have nothing better to do then openmoko crap allday and drink beer Aug 04 07:22:51 this fricken wifi chip has to have monitor/raw mode Aug 04 07:22:57 and as we speak of stable releases on current hardware then qtopia is the only one worth mentioning Aug 04 07:23:10 for one its a fricken atheros chip... Aug 04 07:23:40 but i had terrible call quality with it.. which i don't get on 2007.2 Aug 04 07:24:22 atheros chips are known to be great (coupled with madwifi) but since this is a bit different ... who knows Aug 04 07:24:28 well back to qt then Aug 04 07:27:42 a flashing we shall go ... a flashing we shall go .... Aug 04 07:31:52 railer: aye Aug 04 07:32:15 one problem with qtopia, even at max volume, hard to hear voice Aug 04 07:32:47 good morning Aug 04 07:33:01 morning Aug 04 07:37:30 back Aug 04 07:38:07 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r406f48e6ec1d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus SRCREV lines for opkg #1686 Aug 04 07:40:41 I have just received my freerunner, charged the battery and am attempting to get it to boot .. but it sticks on the starting kernel .... screen .. can anyone help me get it going ? Aug 04 07:40:48 see back to utopia got a ring tone back, so it WAS FSO II issure ;P Aug 04 07:41:04 GirlRiver: it should boot into the system Aug 04 07:41:14 with the 2007.2 release Aug 04 07:41:59 GirlRiver: you might want to reflash it to see if that helps: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 04 07:42:43 El_Senator, yes, it Should .. but this is the first time boot, out of the box .. Aug 04 07:43:22 well, hard to diagnose with no further data, but try flashing it with the most recent kernel and rootfs Aug 04 07:45:07 anyone got any docs for what to do after installing qtopia? I.e. to set up wifi or something gps-y? Aug 04 07:45:10 El_Senator: funny how it works ... it is booting now :-] Aug 04 07:45:16 maybe even a web browser Aug 04 07:45:24 GirlRiver: yeah, booting is slow Aug 04 07:45:24 GirlRiver: heh, ok :) Aug 04 07:45:58 isnt kernelpanic on the first boot a "known" issue? Aug 04 07:46:13 GirlRiver: but you probably want to flash it anyways, to get the latest stuff. You can also just update it over usb-net Aug 04 07:46:34 hey is my webpage back up? http://we.trekbeyond.org? Aug 04 07:46:42 qt system info is great Aug 04 07:47:13 had some issues today when i tried fireing up a mesh network Aug 04 07:47:36 kd8ikt: working here Aug 04 07:47:41 yay Aug 04 07:49:29 trekbeyond worked for me Aug 04 07:49:51 anyone every cal out ipv6, talk about over kill Aug 04 07:52:09 ? Aug 04 07:54:37 hm in ASU is usb networking off by default? Aug 04 07:54:54 i had to manually enable it at moko side with todays image Aug 04 07:54:58 anyone know how to get wifi/gps on qtopia? Aug 04 07:55:44 doc|home: iwconfig probably? Aug 04 07:56:07 gps should be there, enable it by echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/*gps*/pwron Aug 04 07:56:19 ecraven: any docs on these? :/ Aug 04 07:58:00 man iwconfig Aug 04 07:58:06 hehe Aug 04 07:58:13 if you enable the gps, you can read data from /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 04 07:58:23 if that doesn't exist, google for the appropriate mknod incantation :) Aug 04 07:58:28 * doc|home sobs Aug 04 07:58:29 :) Aug 04 07:58:49 if you tell me what exactly you want to achieve, i might be able to help Aug 04 07:59:33 not sure to be honest, not sure what's possible yet. Would be nice to be able to download maps then see a plot of my position, on qtopia Aug 04 07:59:59 try to install tangogps Aug 04 07:59:59 looking at the wiki it's hard to tell what's relevant to qtopia Aug 04 08:00:16 isn't that gtk? Aug 04 08:00:25 are you on the neo right now? can you try what cat /dev/ttySAC1 gives you? Aug 04 08:00:36 should be a number of lines starting with $. or nothing at all :) Aug 04 08:00:46 according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS there seems to be a couple of qtopia gps apps Aug 04 08:00:48 one sec Aug 04 08:01:45 yep, lots of $ prefixed stuff Aug 04 08:02:03 then you have GPS :) Aug 04 08:02:10 of some form :) Aug 04 08:02:17 you only need a gui app to show it to you Aug 04 08:02:21 right Aug 04 08:03:17 * doc|home peruses http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi Aug 04 08:03:35 i haven't found a good wlan gui application for any distribution yet :( Aug 04 08:03:52 What is the correct way to boot the neo from power off ? hold power button for 5-6 seconds ? Aug 04 08:04:33 hm, i think the keyboard from FSO is much more usable. is there a way to get this keyboard into ASU? Aug 04 08:04:35 there seems to be zero for qtopia, nevermind gui Aug 04 08:04:47 looks like I have lots of tedius teeny typing ahead of me Aug 04 08:04:47 GirlRiver: yes Aug 04 08:05:03 GirlRiver: thats the way to go. Aug 04 08:05:05 *tedious Aug 04 08:05:41 beni_, I get openmoko splash screen and stays there ? anyway to see what it may not like ? Aug 04 08:05:47 doc|home: you don't work over ssh? Aug 04 08:06:04 difficult without wifi :) Aug 04 08:06:09 usb? Aug 04 08:06:14 i like lint wifi Aug 04 08:06:19 still means configuring stuff :/ Aug 04 08:06:29 although it still bugged Aug 04 08:06:32 doc|home: should work out of the box Aug 04 08:06:35 oh? Aug 04 08:06:39 for qtopia? Aug 04 08:07:03 i never tried with qtopia, did you try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.200" on your host, and then ping 192.168.1.202" ? Aug 04 08:07:16 * doc|home tries Aug 04 08:07:31 GirlRiver: try booting into NAND uboot , press/hold power then aux both together Aug 04 08:07:37 ecraven: the usb networking usually goes not over eth0 Aug 04 08:07:39 it is usb0 Aug 04 08:07:51 `ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200` should work Aug 04 08:08:04 GirlRiver: booting takes some time, which image do you have? Aug 04 08:08:11 ecraven: er, by host you mean the phone? Aug 04 08:08:25 yeah boot can be like 60+ sec Aug 04 08:08:55 beni_: oh, thanks, my bad Aug 04 08:09:02 kd8ikt, yes it does bring up uboot but if sellect boot there it stays on starting kernel... Aug 04 08:09:10 doc|home: no, your computer, the one that you plug the usb cable from the neo into Aug 04 08:09:12 beni_, original out of the box... Aug 04 08:09:16 huh noshit Aug 04 08:09:20 did you flash something? Aug 04 08:09:26 ecraven: on that box eth0 is my network card Aug 04 08:09:28 kd8ikt: cool, didn't know about that yet, looks good Aug 04 08:09:40 doc|home: yes, look at what beni_ said, usb0, not eth0 Aug 04 08:09:52 ah, ok, thanks Aug 04 08:09:58 anyone know how to see games you have installed using opkg in qt? Aug 04 08:10:19 kd8ikt, nothing flashed, clean unboxed today. akthough if I take sim card out, boots up, strange Aug 04 08:10:28 usb0: unknown interface: No such device Aug 04 08:10:45 hmmm, ones ec Aug 04 08:11:02 well, make sure its seated correctly, is it a 3g card? Aug 04 08:11:11 doc|home: what is your system exactly? Aug 04 08:11:11 I also have a usb sound card which has ethernet Aug 04 08:11:32 ecraven: gentoo linux, wireless network, usb sound card with ethernet Aug 04 08:11:38 er, wired network Aug 04 08:11:46 doc|home: did you build all kernel modules? Aug 04 08:11:46 that might be hogging usb0 Aug 04 08:11:51 you need the correct modules for usb0 Aug 04 08:11:56 eh, usb networking Aug 04 08:11:58 ecraven: nope, but I think that should be there Aug 04 08:12:00 * doc|home looks Aug 04 08:12:09 kd8ikt, not that I'm aware off, pretty sure its not even 2.5 Aug 04 08:12:11 it might be usb1 ;) Aug 04 08:12:19 do ifconfig -a to see all interfaces Aug 04 08:12:40 nada, not compiled on Aug 04 08:12:50 ok, not arsed recompiling kernel, will sort out wifi via term Aug 04 08:13:46 doc|home: ;) recompiling the modules isn't so much work though Aug 04 08:14:03 yeah, I'm just not arsed because it's only a temporary thing anyway :) Aug 04 08:14:47 you could add the incantations to get wifi working into the startup files of the neo Aug 04 08:14:59 that's the plan Aug 04 08:15:04 how much power does GPS use? Aug 04 08:15:13 do you want encryption? Aug 04 08:15:41 I have wep here (housemate uses windows which he can't update) Aug 04 08:15:53 oh, you want to connect to an access point? Aug 04 08:15:58 ecraven, 62 mW Aug 04 08:16:14 quickdev: how much is that compared to GSM or Wifi? Aug 04 08:16:16 I'm reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi Aug 04 08:16:35 ecraven: yep Aug 04 08:16:53 so, er, scroll buttons on vi in the neo terminal anyone? :) Aug 04 08:17:20 doc|home: i don't know about qtopia, but /etc/network/* works very well on 2007.2 (does that even exist on qtopia?) Aug 04 08:17:22 lint-wifi needs some overhauling i think Aug 04 08:17:29 far from a perfect complete app Aug 04 08:17:36 ecraven: it does Aug 04 08:17:45 * kd8ikt doesnt feel like touching it anymore Aug 04 08:17:49 ecraven: if I can only figure out how to scroll up and down :D Aug 04 08:17:54 * doc|home stabs vi Aug 04 08:17:59 doc|home: hehe, use nano! Aug 04 08:18:09 still need to scroll :/ Aug 04 08:18:29 ecraven, don't know. Search in the wiki ;) Aug 04 08:20:02 then again lint wifi does what its supposed to Aug 04 08:20:43 anyone know how to scroll? :/ Aug 04 08:21:40 hey GirlRiver Aug 04 08:21:40 nooblet Aug 04 08:22:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Aug 04 08:22:17 http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ Aug 04 08:22:34 throw fso on it Aug 04 08:23:03 morning Aug 04 08:24:44 kd8ikt: yes Aug 04 08:24:58 ------------^ Aug 04 08:25:12 anyone got a voip app working - i don't care what distro Aug 04 08:25:47 http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ Aug 04 08:26:09 so..... has it been done yet ? Aug 04 08:26:21 not really Aug 04 08:26:32 noone cares enough to work on it Aug 04 08:26:47 * dbmoodb_ ah its aix i want sip rofl Aug 04 08:26:53 iax* Aug 04 08:27:32 kd8ikt: there is nothing on the SD card .. the phone has just been unboxed Aug 04 08:28:35 so you wont mind fdisking it then eh? Aug 04 08:28:56 its real easy to setup dualboot Aug 04 08:29:07 GirlRiver: try to flash new kernel and rootfs Aug 04 08:29:10 thought you might want to look into it Aug 04 08:29:41 anyone? equivalent of scroll keys? Aug 04 08:29:57 wtf are you trying to do Aug 04 08:30:04 use vi :( Aug 04 08:30:34 no arrow keys? Aug 04 08:30:56 nope, not on any of the key layouts it seems Aug 04 08:30:58 doc why vi? Aug 04 08:31:08 arent jkl; arrow keys in command mode? Aug 04 08:31:11 you can use +hjlk to move Aug 04 08:31:24 torindel: I think I will have to do that .. just thought it should boot from the box :-( Aug 04 08:31:38 railer: I don't care which, I'm still missing them Aug 04 08:31:48 20j to go 20 lines down Aug 04 08:31:48 it still wont boot? Aug 04 08:32:08 doc|home can you ssh into the phone? Aug 04 08:32:13 railer: nah Aug 04 08:32:42 so no internet connection then? Aug 04 08:32:56 GirlRiver: you would flash it anyway ;] Aug 04 08:33:05 ok, Jkl works Aug 04 08:33:11 thanks everyone Aug 04 08:33:11 you just need the usb modules for your kernel, works without a flaw (with a bit of iptables) Aug 04 08:33:13 what's up? Aug 04 08:33:47 is GirlRiver an actual girl? Aug 04 08:35:17 railer: why ? is that important when booting a neo ? Aug 04 08:35:37 yes actually I'm pretty sure it is Aug 04 08:36:06 railer: then it should work Aug 04 08:36:15 so the freerunner really does have everything, even a built-in girl-detector Aug 04 08:36:15 railer: :-) Aug 04 08:36:36 GirlRiver: Of course it is, didn't you know that you need a specific set of chromosomes to be able to do anything even remotely related to technology? ;) Aug 04 08:36:51 mine has gaydar and showing massive pings from railer Aug 04 08:37:04 I would love to know the sales demographics, is it 100% male of just 99% Aug 04 08:37:30 cant be 100, AU already has a number of chicks using them Aug 04 08:37:31 ah, there are other keys, you need to hit the tiny unintuitive green arrow by accident Aug 04 08:38:05 I just want to get the damn thing to boot .. why can't I get past the splash screen Aug 04 08:38:25 did you recently flash it? Aug 04 08:38:26 dont see the kernel boot? Aug 04 08:38:33 kgoetz: maybe I should just ask Clare ... Aug 04 08:38:45 the kernel prinkk()'s are flashing by? Aug 04 08:38:55 no have not flashed it, its fresh out of the box Aug 04 08:39:11 it has booted a couple of times without sim or SD but never with either in Aug 04 08:39:16 GirlRiver: heh. Aug 04 08:39:36 it could have been a bad factory flash Aug 04 08:39:40 is it pluged in could the battery just be dead? Aug 04 08:39:43 afk. heading home Aug 04 08:39:45 its not unheard of Aug 04 08:40:01 everyon: would it not better that she just flashed the damn thing to the newest everything? uboot, 2007.2 image and kernel? Aug 04 08:40:14 * kd8ikt agrees Aug 04 08:40:37 Zorkman: I can do that with a neo that won;t boot ? Aug 04 08:40:53 and no debug board Aug 04 08:40:55 yes, you just need to log in in NOR Aug 04 08:40:58 get to the boot menu (NAND) Aug 04 08:41:06 there is a nice wiki page that shows it all (i'll fetch the link) Aug 04 08:41:14 I'm looking at Using WPA and /etc/network/interfaces and it says iface eth0 inet dhcp should that be wlan0? Aug 04 08:41:31 er, sorry, looking at Using WEP and /etc/network/interfaces Aug 04 08:41:32 doc|home: whats iwconfig say? Aug 04 08:41:51 after installing the task-games on QT any ideas how to see them on the games menu? Aug 04 08:41:54 one sec Aug 04 08:42:18 kd8ikt: eth0 :) Aug 04 08:42:20 * doc|home edits Aug 04 08:42:48 GirlRiver: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 04 08:43:26 Zorkman: thanks Aug 04 08:44:01 no one up the Aug 04 08:44:10 np, we people with our gender in our nick have to help eachother out Aug 04 08:44:29 no one up the QT data structure? Aug 04 08:45:06 it's saying duplicate interface eth0 even though there's only one defined in the interface file Aug 04 08:45:13 games directory, games conf? Aug 04 08:45:46 GirlRiver: press and hold aux button and then power it on Aug 04 08:46:07 if it displays boot menu then you can flash it Aug 04 08:46:50 torindel: ok ... boot menu is ther e Aug 04 08:47:29 flash it qtopia Aug 04 08:47:58 "ifdown: duplicate interface eth0" Aug 04 08:48:16 I think I am going to go dual boot .. I want gps and Qtopia doesnt support it yet Aug 04 08:48:30 I'd like to build FSO with MokoMakefile. Do I have to change 'OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openembedded.dev' before running make setup or after that command? Aug 04 08:48:42 GirlRiver: yeah it does Aug 04 08:48:47 just you have to mess with things Aug 04 08:49:07 whichever distro you use you'll have to mess with things :/ Aug 04 08:49:33 GirlRiver: in case you want to look orginal software (2007.2) get it from here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ Aug 04 08:49:37 crap, 2am Aug 04 08:49:37 night Aug 04 08:49:39 +at Aug 04 08:49:47 doc|home: cool, thanks .. Aug 04 08:49:52 2 am it's 3 here you wussie Aug 04 08:49:54 ! Aug 04 08:50:28 Mon Aug 4 04:50:28 EDT 2008 Aug 04 08:50:30 beat that Aug 04 08:50:48 Girlriver before worring about dual boot I suggest getting one distro to work Aug 04 08:51:31 railer: agree Aug 04 08:51:41 did it atleast boot yet? Aug 04 08:52:06 could opkg use some http proxy to obtain packages? Aug 04 08:55:24 how about a command to list everything in all directories so I can grep it?\ Aug 04 08:56:03 find / |grep tool Aug 04 08:56:16 cool Aug 04 08:56:25 im off to find a snake Aug 04 09:03:39 The ASU will be released officially on aug 8th right? Aug 04 09:03:52 thats what they say Aug 04 09:04:40 great Aug 04 09:07:42 hm my GPS-date is 1970 - is that a problem? Aug 04 09:08:23 beni_: It doesn't know the time yet Aug 04 09:08:36 unless you're in a time machine i'd say something is up Aug 04 09:08:53 is it just me or is that bold Aug 04 09:09:03 so railer , kd8ikt , when you say reflash to the qtopia based stack, we are reflashing all 3 NAND partitions or just the kernel ? Aug 04 09:09:28 qtopia or the fso? Aug 04 09:10:00 qtopia is teh suckage Aug 04 09:10:17 fso is the future and 2007 is sortof dying Aug 04 09:10:29 I like QT FSO II screwed my phone Aug 04 09:11:04 i think qtopia is the future Aug 04 09:11:17 kernel and root Aug 04 09:11:34 girlriver: kernel and root Aug 04 09:11:38 since oyu guys have experienced both I can only take suggestions at this point, I thought I read somewhere the qtopia stack is most mature, most number of apps etc Aug 04 09:11:52 bah Aug 04 09:12:22 future is probably ubuntu mobile ;-) Aug 04 09:12:24 GirlRiver: I would say so Aug 04 09:12:31 not on this device Aug 04 09:12:38 both are good FSO has a much nicer GPS, but as I said it hooped my phone Aug 04 09:12:38 lpotter: how soon for qtopia 4.4? Aug 04 09:12:49 hooped ? Aug 04 09:12:59 GirlRiver: yes it's true most apps and most mature and safest ist Windows ... ;) Aug 04 09:13:06 doc|home: few more weeks... Aug 04 09:13:13 cool Aug 04 09:13:19 eckhard, no way Aug 04 09:13:24 hooped = broke, no workie the dial tone, Aug 04 09:13:25 lpotter: any info on what's in it? Or can you say? Aug 04 09:13:27 you should update uboot Aug 04 09:14:00 alphaone: thanks Aug 04 09:14:04 webkit, gps example, usbmode Aug 04 09:14:04 before any flashing Aug 04 09:14:23 is there a definitive step by step to do uboot update then to fso or whichever stack ? Aug 04 09:14:30 lpotter: webkit++ Aug 04 09:14:40 lpotter: wifi gui? Aug 04 09:15:09 qtopia already has a wifi gui config Aug 04 09:15:15 it does? Aug 04 09:15:18 is that what you mean? Aug 04 09:15:23 ya, internet settings Aug 04 09:15:30 if you got the bin and jffs2 they all load the same Aug 04 09:15:33 * doc|home double checks Aug 04 09:15:39 still need to fix route though Aug 04 09:15:39 I looked but thought that was gprs only Aug 04 09:16:39 well arse, so it does Aug 04 09:16:41 need to fix/test gprs too Aug 04 09:16:42 nicely hidden :/ Aug 04 09:18:16 kd8ikt: i am trying to install your agpsui.ipkg that you made some days ago. Aug 04 09:18:17 i get: Aug 04 09:18:18 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-agpsui.ipkg Aug 04 09:18:19 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 04 09:18:26 with ASU of today, any hintS? Aug 04 09:18:56 kd8ikt, do you have a link to how to update uboot ? Aug 04 09:19:13 try opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg Aug 04 09:19:16 GirlRiver: the wiki link I gave you Aug 04 09:19:55 if that doesnt wokr my dns is fux0red Aug 04 09:20:10 Zorkman, thanks ... sorry for the double questions... just don't want to go down some vague path and end up with a brick..no debug board here Aug 04 09:20:42 alphaone's builds from today and yesterday freeze the moment the (tty-)login prompt comes up. anyone having the same issue? Aug 04 09:20:47 kd8ikt: why does that work but manually downloading, copying and installing not? Aug 04 09:20:57 i dunno Aug 04 09:21:03 GirlRiver: you can't brick the device Aug 04 09:21:42 GirlRiver: withouth debug board you can't mess with NOR u-boot so you can always reflash the device Aug 04 09:21:47 he says till someone gets struck by lightning Aug 04 09:21:57 heh Aug 04 09:22:00 Tanuva: oh Aug 04 09:22:40 Tanuva: Let me check here Aug 04 09:22:57  GirlRiver: you can't brick the device, trust me I've tried Aug 04 09:23:53 nor is read only failsafe uboot NAND is a flashable uboot that i believe is the default on regular power up Aug 04 09:23:56 GirlRiver: i had the same thougts yesterday Aug 04 09:24:23 well you need a debug board to flash nor Aug 04 09:24:46 but thats the backdoor that can reflash anyhing from nor Aug 04 09:26:19 anyone ever seen the TV show psych? Aug 04 09:26:48 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd1685e9a9f54 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Revert "[preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus SRCREV lines for opkg #1686" Aug 04 09:26:48 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra0e30fb832dd 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] remove bogus opkg SRCREV entries Aug 04 09:26:50 and beni what'd you do wget the apgsui.ipk and type opkg install agps? did ya forget to opkginstall ./agps-openmoko.ipk Aug 04 09:28:03 slightly confused, but if I can summarise , without debug board, ignore kd8ikt suggestion to update uboot prior to any flashing... Aug 04 09:29:15 my reasoning for uboot is the shipped uboot to my knowledge has a lil glitch that doesnt erase the fs before flash and you'll have latent files Aug 04 09:29:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase Aug 04 09:30:43 just trying to save some extra bs to wade through Aug 04 09:31:01 Zorkman, railer , so I'm just going to follow steps to reflash the kernel and at this point it is a toss up between qtopia and fso Aug 04 09:33:18 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd3deeed03a0a 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from spliner to om-locations Aug 04 09:33:18 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra79937301e6d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63 Aug 04 09:35:08 GirlRiver: it depensd what you want to do with your phone which distro suits you best Aug 04 09:35:52 Qtopia is very responsive and stable, but you won't get GPS and stuff like that Aug 04 09:36:45 either one is fine GirlRiver Aug 04 09:37:14 and you cant figure out where to put the damn games! Aug 04 09:37:33 but the phone works in QT where FSO dont Aug 04 09:42:50 anyone know the app to open an sqlite database? Aug 04 09:44:34 sqlite? Aug 04 09:45:37 there is also the firefox extension sqlitemanager Aug 04 09:47:21 ok Aug 04 09:48:29 Is there any chance freerunner will show up on sale this week? I have relatives coming from USA, it would be very fortunate to pay $400 instead of 360Eu. Aug 04 09:53:31 zogg_: unlikely. Aug 04 09:53:49 you know about the wavelength problem? Aug 04 09:53:57 850/900 Aug 04 09:54:27 Yep. Im from europe, checked - its 900 here. Aug 04 09:55:26 850 in the US store, if they carry it Aug 04 09:56:34 I thought 900s may come with the upcoming batch... Aug 04 09:56:44 Well - possibly. Aug 04 09:56:52 Last time was only 850 though. Aug 04 09:58:05 zogg_: koolu maybe has 900 in stock Aug 04 09:58:44 koolu - thats a person i suppose? :) Aug 04 09:59:10 no Aug 04 10:00:20 what did i miss trying to install tangogps/openmoko-agpsui with the latest dev image i get "An error ocurred, return value: 2" Aug 04 10:01:00 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bomberman-2008/ <-- We need this ;) Aug 04 10:01:38 Wah. How did i miss American resellers. o.O Aug 04 10:02:02 leinir: I agree ;) Aug 04 10:02:49 doc|home: oh and qbuild Aug 04 10:05:35 any doc on qtopia_db.sqlite? I think thats the key to this Aug 04 10:09:03 key to what? Aug 04 10:14:43 ok ok qtopia is neat Aug 04 10:15:04 i confused it witht he buildhosts QT images Aug 04 10:15:18 thats ASU, not qtopia :) Aug 04 10:15:18 Those are ASU :) Aug 04 10:15:28 bleh asu is lame Aug 04 10:15:39 (and it's Qt, not QT - one is pronounced "cute", the other "QuickTime" ;) ) Aug 04 10:15:54 ASU is still being developed, its still very alpha Aug 04 10:16:16 fso is tight Aug 04 10:16:58 lpotter: qtopia_db.sqlite I think ids the key to installing non QT games Aug 04 10:17:03 love it all except asu :P Aug 04 10:17:13 kd8ikt: what do you imply with "tight" ? Aug 04 10:17:29 tight = broken? Aug 04 10:17:35 buildhost isnt really ASU either Aug 04 10:17:45 the real ASU build is a lot more solid Aug 04 10:17:55 well of course Aug 04 10:18:10 XorA: well.. bring it on! where is it? Aug 04 10:18:24 lpotter: still internal only Aug 04 10:18:30 what happened to the ASU images? Aug 04 10:18:34 could someone explain to me, what the OM2008.8 image is..? Is it just a new name for ASU..? (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8) Aug 04 10:18:43 Bubbi: seems to be Aug 04 10:19:05 okay.. :) Aug 04 10:21:09 Hmm.. It seems that a lot of the basic features are pretty much done in ASU.. But most of you, who've tried it, says that it's *very* slow? In which way do you mean that it's slow.. Aug 04 10:21:33 XorA: just a question; why aren't there anymore asu jffs2 rootfs? Aug 04 10:21:59 I haven't tried it yet myself, so i'm just interested in hearing about it :) Aug 04 10:22:16 Zorkman: because the build failed Aug 04 10:22:17 people like to overdo applications Aug 04 10:22:53 like add this and that and this next thing you know a simple calc app becomes a fricken 64bit cpu emulator Aug 04 10:23:50 keep it simple stupid Aug 04 10:24:28 kd8ikt: heh, of course that shouldn't be happening :) But which applications have been made for ASU as of yet..? Aug 04 10:24:39 me [#openmoko] [ Aug 04 10:24:43 ? none but i know people Aug 04 10:24:57 you're all alike! Aug 04 10:25:00 congrats.. you know people.. :) :D Aug 04 10:25:34 well now you;re just being a dick Aug 04 10:25:46 heh, sorry.. j/k.. :) Aug 04 10:26:21 but take a simple app like agpsui Aug 04 10:27:50 it's got a few features, but isn't the problem with it, that it's made in python, and thereby being slower than it would be, if it was made with C..? Aug 04 10:27:50 wich reminds me i was going to thumb through the source then i got sidtracked Aug 04 10:28:30 its c Aug 04 10:28:43 cpp Aug 04 10:28:53 oh.. damn.. well, yeah then it's a bit slow :) Aug 04 10:29:31 i needs cleaning Aug 04 10:31:08 svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/openmoko-agpsui Aug 04 10:38:03 sorry for the pause chaps..I'm not developing at this point so the most polished stack is the qtopia ? Aug 04 10:38:53 the qtopia is good if you want a phone Aug 04 10:40:45 what you cant install gpsd on it? Aug 04 10:41:14 dns53, and the fso is good for ? Aug 04 10:42:25 FSO is the future. Aug 04 10:42:25 the fso is ok, it depends on what software you want Aug 04 10:42:38 However, it's some way off being the now. Aug 04 10:42:53 dbus Aug 04 10:43:06 2007.2 is the past - though in some ways more-functional than ASU/qutopia Aug 04 10:43:27 yeah everything works on it Aug 04 10:43:43 And ASU is the 'quick hack' that was intended to be usable release software for the FR, but turned out to be slower and more annoying to hack together. Aug 04 10:43:48 AIUI Aug 04 10:44:12 heh i played with asu for like 10 min and reflashed Aug 04 10:44:40 after looking at small fonts asu made me blind Aug 04 10:45:11 Is mickey still working on a murged release? Aug 04 10:45:29 The 'merged release' is FSO Aug 04 10:46:04 i'd like to use the shr, any news about it? Aug 04 10:46:07 utilizing the freesmartphone dbus api Aug 04 10:46:36 ~SHR Aug 04 10:46:37 shr is, like, Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Aug 04 10:46:46 does the qtopia stack support ssh in from desktop linux with X forwarding ? Aug 04 10:47:03 qtopia does not have x Aug 04 10:47:09 dns53: this one does! Aug 04 10:47:15 dneary: it's qtopia-over-x Aug 04 10:47:18 dns: Aug 04 10:47:24 SpeedEvil: That's not qtopia, that's asu :) Aug 04 10:47:28 SpeedEvil: ? Aug 04 10:47:29 oh Aug 04 10:47:35 dneary: sorry. Aug 04 10:47:49 The qtopia stack is normal qtopia (that is, directly on the framebuffer) :) Aug 04 10:47:50 I wasn't aware tehre was an actual pure qtopia stack. Aug 04 10:48:09 SpeedEvil: from qtopia.net Aug 04 10:48:19 http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=75 Aug 04 10:49:09 whops http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 Aug 04 10:49:15 SpeedEvil: Seriously? How'd you miss that, it's not like you're a non-regular here :) Aug 04 10:49:20 SpeedEvil: Ah - honest mistake Aug 04 10:49:45 Qt Aug 04 10:50:24 -sigh- so many opinions how usable is the fso ? Aug 04 10:50:41 flash and find out Aug 04 10:50:54 pango is available in ASU/FSO/OM2007.2? Aug 04 10:51:01 how can i see if i have a gta02v6 or gta02v5? Aug 04 10:51:04 dont listen to them. my opinion counts ;) Aug 04 10:52:25 lpotter, I was able to make phone calls and SMS with the Qtopia edition from qtopia.net through SD card; the responsiveness is quite good Aug 04 10:52:41 it was written in the Sun Tzu if a carpenter lived next to a heavy traffic road and stopped to take the advise of all the poeple passing buy on how he should build his house... it would never get built Aug 04 10:52:55 mbuf: good to hear! :D Aug 04 10:53:29 zorkman libgsm-tool can i think Aug 04 10:53:36 How could I backup the whole device, so I can try another distro? Aug 04 10:53:37 the shell Aug 04 10:54:03 kd8ikt: and how do i use this libgsm-tool o find it out? Aug 04 10:54:26 matholio the flashing page on the wiki has instructions Aug 04 10:54:28 i cant remember its in the wiki hidden somewhere vi uboot flash instructions Aug 04 10:54:40 how to find out your revision Aug 04 10:54:47 hardware Aug 04 10:55:17 what's the default ip over usb for the om2007.2 ? jusat want to first confirm df-util can see the neo Aug 04 10:55:20 i think all the main productions where 5 though i am not sure Aug 04 10:55:30 192.168.0.202 Aug 04 10:55:48 dfu-util doesnt use an ip address Aug 04 10:56:02 ... device need to be in uboot to use dfu Aug 04 10:56:25 k, but should I not be able to see the neo from my ubuntu desktop ? Aug 04 10:56:35 Zorkman: libgsmd-tool -m shell, then 'rv' Aug 04 10:56:50 follow the usb networking instructions Aug 04 10:56:50 revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8" Aug 04 10:57:01 heh revision, i'm gonna remember that now matholio Aug 04 10:57:47 <-------e-tard Aug 04 11:02:18 thanks kd8ikt Aug 04 11:03:23 matholio: is the one who found it Aug 04 11:03:42 thankyou matholio then :) Aug 04 11:03:45 but hey i'll take credit for it Aug 04 11:04:09 rofl Aug 04 11:05:24 make sure GirlRiver knows how to get the revision too so she can flash uboot Aug 04 11:08:37 I asume I am following these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner Aug 04 11:11:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqyIpwhXXrk Aug 04 11:12:12 I'm confused, the above qtopia steps say to scp the tarball to second partion on sd card... I was under the impression I could flash directly over usb using dfu-util Aug 04 11:12:29 those are generic boot via SD card instructions Aug 04 11:12:35 GirlRiver: are you attempting dualboot? why not just flash it? Aug 04 11:13:07 though can you get a shell with qtopia? Aug 04 11:14:10 Zorkman, not attempting dualboot at this stage, just want to flash from out of the box 2007.2 to qtopia Aug 04 11:17:00 GirlRiver: are you running into trouble? because it is really quite straitforward Aug 04 11:17:55 GirlRiver: you don't need that page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner; yuo only need http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 04 11:18:09 Tanuva: Just tried the image and it works Aug 04 11:18:26 GirlRiver: you downloaded dfu util? already? Aug 04 11:18:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb1c92d69feaf 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: add FIXME in parser.py Aug 04 11:19:16 Zorkman, yes and did 'sudo chmod a+x ...' Aug 04 11:19:50 ok, great Aug 04 11:20:04 does anyone know where to find a rootfs images for the fso milestone2 ? Aug 04 11:20:14 GirlRiver: next you have to download http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=75 Aug 04 11:20:37 there is only a GTA01 on : http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ the gta02 one is a .jffs.summary file Aug 04 11:20:38 Tig|_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 04 11:20:47 Tig|_: thats ok Aug 04 11:20:54 * kd8ikt mooches off of alphaone's latest builds Aug 04 11:21:02 GirlRiver: when yo have downloaded it, just unpack those two files in it in the same directory as where you have put dfu-util Aug 04 11:21:11 beni_: ah was wondering what it was :) Aug 04 11:21:17 Tig|_: http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/jffs2/mount.php Aug 04 11:21:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r10b1d816d027 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add GTK applications into openmoko-asu-feed Aug 04 11:21:30 jffs2 summary makes jffs2 faster to mount Aug 04 11:22:57 beni_: does this mean I should use .summary files if available when flashing? Aug 04 11:23:31 i would Aug 04 11:23:36 GirlRiver: let me know when you have done that Aug 04 11:23:55 Zorkman, I have the qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07221045.tgz and unpacked getting a jffs2 and bin file Aug 04 11:24:11 yes you can flash the .summary files Aug 04 11:24:36 perfect GirlRiver, only a few steps away from running qtopia Aug 04 11:24:58 GirlRiver: connect your freerunner with your host pcwith the usb cable Aug 04 11:25:04 boot into uboot Aug 04 11:25:08 ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D rootfs.jffs Aug 04 11:25:51 GirlRiver: you know how to boot into NOR? Aug 04 11:26:05 Zorkman, yes aux + power Aug 04 11:26:06 (hold aux and then press and hold power) Aug 04 11:26:23 Zorkman, at uboot menu now Aug 04 11:26:30 ok, then do what kd8ikt said: ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07221045.jffs2 Aug 04 11:26:42 (type it in the terminal) Aug 04 11:26:51 root Aug 04 11:27:03 I'm on ubuntu do I need sudo ? Aug 04 11:27:10 yea Aug 04 11:27:11 better you do it Aug 04 11:27:24 or just type "su -" and enter your password if you have not set up sudo Aug 04 11:27:33 (root password that is) Aug 04 11:27:33 Zorkman: Aug 04 11:27:34 sudo -s Aug 04 11:27:35 sudo su Aug 04 11:27:38 he is on ubuntu Aug 04 11:27:43 Zorkman, sudo is default in ubuntu Aug 04 11:27:48 ubuntu does not have a root account Aug 04 11:28:01 ubuntu has a a root account with a random password Aug 04 11:28:10 sudo su will make you root Aug 04 11:28:11 ah k, I'm new to linux you know, only experience i have is fedora (which a lot of people seem to dispise..) Aug 04 11:28:17 dns53: yeah but is deaktivated by default Aug 04 11:28:18 all you need to do is: sudo passwd Aug 04 11:28:38 thats not a great idea Aug 04 11:29:03 just do: sudo -s Aug 04 11:30:32 hm, how can i lock the phone with ASU? Aug 04 11:30:48 power button > lock Aug 04 11:30:52 ok running... at 'Starting download:[####...' Aug 04 11:31:04 perfect, thats it, nothing more to it :p Aug 04 11:31:16 dns53: ah, i have to press it _long_ Aug 04 11:31:17 okay Aug 04 11:31:19 jffs flashing takes awhile Aug 04 11:31:20 afterwards you're best to flash the kernel also (will take much less tie) Aug 04 11:31:23 *time Aug 04 11:31:40 do I need to keep uboot up manually ? Aug 04 11:31:49 nope, it has taken over control Aug 04 11:31:51 is there a lock screen that shows time? Aug 04 11:31:52 just let it run Aug 04 11:32:08 while [ $jffs=flashing ]; do drink a beer ;done Aug 04 11:32:12 beni_: depends on what you mean with lock; if you only want to lock it and not suspend it, press the aux button Aug 04 11:32:21 GirlRiver: flashing the kernel you do by ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage_2008_07_16_gta02_73eeb0333fc771cb696ff9bf17c517c741434b59.bin Aug 04 11:32:31 bumbl: lock the display Aug 04 11:32:49 when you press the power button in asu it will suspend Aug 04 11:32:53 User friendly. Aug 04 11:32:59 or when you press it too long it will shut down Aug 04 11:33:02 Zorkman, so when this is finished do I reboot it again or go streight to kernel flash ? Aug 04 11:33:13 kernel flash Aug 04 11:33:17 GirlRiver: straight to kernel flash, reboot is not nescessary Aug 04 11:33:19 you can exit the suspend state by pressing the power button again Aug 04 11:33:53 Zorkman, kd8ikt and others, thanks for the help and patience with a neonoob Aug 04 11:34:08 beni_: the clock in the asu is i n the upperright corner; when you lock the display, only a bar in the middle of the phone is shown, so you till can see the clock Aug 04 11:34:49 GirlRiver: np, i'm a linuxnoob so I also have to ask millions of questions :) Aug 04 11:35:03 Zorkman: hm, then i have flashed a different asu. Aug 04 11:35:28 Zorkman, well I'm both, just know enough to be dangerous ;-) Aug 04 11:35:45 Are we using a tickless kernel? Aug 04 11:36:14 GirlRiver: just remember: there are 2 u-boots. one in NAND which you can fuck up, and one in NOR, which will always be there, so in theory, without a debug board you can not birck your phone Aug 04 11:36:24 beni_: there is only one asu Aug 04 11:36:30 birck=brick Aug 04 11:36:52 bumbl: i think i have the wrong one. Aug 04 11:36:53 Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080804-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 04 11:36:58 now even a more final version on my public folder ;-) Aug 04 11:37:03 thats the file i flashed... Aug 04 11:37:10 beni_: thats not asu Aug 04 11:37:22 enjoy! ;-) Aug 04 11:37:22 thats openmoko 2007.2 Aug 04 11:37:27 from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ Aug 04 11:37:32 hrm. my FR stops booting at "10%". or at least it stays there for a long while. Aug 04 11:37:35 [13:37:21] thats openmoko 2007.2 Aug 04 11:37:36 that was the link from the wiki Aug 04 11:37:46 where to get ASU? Aug 04 11:37:53 is there any way to access the JFFS2 via USB from Linux? Aug 04 11:38:00 beni_: currently there are no ASU images online, because of a buildproblem Aug 04 11:38:14 i think there aren't any builds at the moment because on friday they will release Aug 04 11:38:24 the august software update aka 2008.8 Aug 04 11:38:30 okay Aug 04 11:38:37 asu are the daily builds arn't they? Aug 04 11:38:40 then i have to be patient Aug 04 11:38:49 dns53: it seems not. Aug 04 11:40:22 Zorkman, how can I tell the difference and which is started using the aux+power ? Aug 04 11:41:15 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ ? Aug 04 11:41:42 Zorkman, btw, that finished with status 0. But when I came back to my desk the neo had shutdown, ok to aux+power again and run second dfu-util to do kernel ? Aug 04 11:42:44 aux+power and then kernel yes Aug 04 11:42:52 dns53: that are the 2007.2 images says zorkman Aug 04 11:43:30 if you start auwx+power ==> you go to NOR boot (it will be stated on the screen it is NOR) Aug 04 11:43:34 is power management better with ASU? Aug 04 11:43:49 Zorkman, never mind done aux+power and started kernel dfu-util now, seems ok so far Aug 04 11:44:48 GirlRiver: when you ever decide to do dualbooting, it would be best to upgrade your u-boot also, but the recent u-boot sometimes brakes usb, so use one from 07/22 for example, or wait a few days Aug 04 11:45:19 (oh wait, there are only august files on the server anmore, so just wait a bit :p) Aug 04 11:46:54 Zorkman, done and rebooted and qtopia came up fine... many thanks. Time to play Aug 04 11:47:23 heh Aug 04 11:47:34 jeez that took like 4hrs Aug 04 11:48:27 hooray! Next time we want to see you do it in less then 15 minutes GirlRiver :) Aug 04 11:49:07 heh, thanks simple once done once ;-) Aug 04 11:57:18 hi anyone that can tell me the commands for extracting the root file system from the qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07221045.jffs2 Aug 04 11:58:24 try mount -o loop qtopia-4.3.2... /media/cdrom Aug 04 11:58:43 if you are lucky, and have the correct kernel modules, you can access everything via /media/cdrom Aug 04 12:02:30 someone having an inteso sdhc card in use? Aug 04 12:05:32 ITYM "intenso" Aug 04 12:05:36 but i haven't. Aug 04 12:06:14 ok, my FR just stays quite long at 10%. it's done booting now. Aug 04 12:06:59 and now i'll kick out this exquisite piece of damn eyecandy that doesn't let me see what's going on Aug 04 12:07:57 pazante, you can also 'tar xzf qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash-07221045.tgz' Aug 04 12:08:09 pazante, sorry ignore that Aug 04 12:17:35 gonna get my moko today ^_^ Aug 04 12:17:43 any recommendations ? Aug 04 12:17:47 freerunner? Aug 04 12:17:58 yeah Aug 04 12:18:17 try everything and see what you like Aug 04 12:18:17 what kind of recommendations? Aug 04 12:18:27 cool, i am looking into open moko, any thoughts compared to a htc / nokia ? Aug 04 12:18:51 Zorkman_, best os to run in order to actually use the device? :) Aug 04 12:19:03 dns53, best idea i guess Aug 04 12:19:06 spdr: use it for what? :) Aug 04 12:19:31 maing phone calls would be a reasonable start. Aug 04 12:19:35 making Aug 04 12:19:39 it all depends on what you want to do with it, so make sure to try everything :) Aug 04 12:19:42 if all you want is a phone use the qtopia image, the other images have more other apps Aug 04 12:19:47 making phonecalls: FSO Aug 04 12:20:03 making phonecalls and a bit of extra phone-stuff: qtopia Aug 04 12:20:13 i understand qtopia dosnt even have a phonebook? Aug 04 12:20:19 :X Aug 04 12:20:26 qtopia has a good phonebook Aug 04 12:20:32 mmm it has been a while since i looked into it, but i do think it has one Aug 04 12:20:46 it is quite usable for a phone Aug 04 12:21:13 i guess i'll just try everything, as dns said Aug 04 12:21:16 havet tried to add apps to qtopia though, i don't know if it also works with opkg and that stuff (think not) Aug 04 12:21:18 * spdr cant wait :) Aug 04 12:21:19 so now that I have qtopia up and running, how can I get neo to see my ubuntu desktop machine and pickup internet connect ? Aug 04 12:21:46 i want to use tho phone as a modem (gprs / umts ) for my laptop. has anyone done that before Aug 04 12:21:47 qtopia has it's own software system Aug 04 12:21:56 edje2: yes Aug 04 12:21:58 GirlRiver: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 04 12:22:04 edje2: long, long ago, in the mists of time. Aug 04 12:22:10 edje2: well - last summer Aug 04 12:22:28 Zorkman_, seems a little involved for this linuxnoob Aug 04 12:22:42 what is the green horizontal bar at the top of FSO II Aug 04 12:23:00 GirlRiver: I'll pm you, to not flood this channel, it is really simple (if it works :)) Aug 04 12:27:26 matholio: battery level Aug 04 12:27:35 what formats does the media player play? Aug 04 12:27:40 what are the experiences with the freerunner as a gps ? Aug 04 12:27:57 mine: good Aug 04 12:28:04 it's good enough for OSM mapping Aug 04 12:28:05 once it has a fix it works fine Aug 04 12:28:42 alphaone: hmm... I'm just reflashing the one from today for another try Aug 04 12:28:54 okay Aug 04 12:29:14 use agpsui http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/openmoko-agpsui.ipkg Aug 04 12:29:52 hi all Aug 04 12:29:56 llo Aug 04 12:30:36 sounds good, any downsides on this device compared to htc / nokia ? Aug 04 12:30:41 soon, gps will be much more powerful when the almanac and ephemeris cache is implemented. time to first fix will be shorter. Aug 04 12:31:12 the hardware is good, the software needs a few more months of polish Aug 04 12:31:16 alphaone: last weekend i've tried to build fso with mokomakefile. it failed Aug 04 12:31:32 alphaone: can you give me some advice to make it work? Aug 04 12:31:42 mmaestri, what failed? Aug 04 12:31:45 dns53: i had 4 satellites with half of the sky visible, FFIX in about 60 seconds with clear sky Aug 04 12:31:57 i had about 20 meters location problems Aug 04 12:32:07 alphaone: building linux-openmoko Aug 04 12:32:20 now the sky is clouded (overcast) and i dont get a fix. Aug 04 12:32:23 mmaestri: Yeah, try that again Aug 04 12:32:37 it has no camera right? Aug 04 12:32:47 no camera and no plans for one Aug 04 12:32:49 quickdev: when does that come? Aug 04 12:32:51 mmaestri: The git fetcher has some issue, linux-openmoko fails every second try Aug 04 12:33:12 beni_, soon ;) Aug 04 12:33:16 alphaone you got the right git package installed? Aug 04 12:33:19 quickdev: asu? Aug 04 12:33:28 dns53: ? Aug 04 12:33:36 what is the right git package? Aug 04 12:33:41 beni_, fso first, but asu will use fso in the future Aug 04 12:33:55 well ubuntu you need git-core or something Aug 04 12:34:00 will use *the framework in the future Aug 04 12:34:01 alphaone: so you say that if i try again (make clean-package && make update && make fso-image) it should work? Aug 04 12:37:15 FSO seem less...fun, than 2007.2. but more stable. Aug 04 12:38:03 hmm. i am looking at the tango gps site, but there is not much info on routing from one city to another, can you search for streets in cities etc? Aug 04 12:38:22 edje2: no you can not Aug 04 12:38:31 edje2: but there are other apps, like navit Aug 04 12:38:35 FSO, tangogps is installed, but how do I turn on gps ? Aug 04 12:39:17 the navit for openmoko looks like an old version, is the current version also available on the freerunner ? Aug 04 12:40:02 not that i know of Aug 04 12:40:08 ecraven did try to build one Aug 04 12:40:21 (but he builds for debian on the freerunner, not sure if that poses problems) Aug 04 12:40:42 Zorkman, did you do osm mapping lately? Aug 04 12:40:46 (and succeeded ;) Aug 04 12:40:53 quickdev: a week ago or so ye Aug 04 12:40:55 *yes Aug 04 12:41:12 ecraven: id you make a opkg package? Aug 04 12:41:13 how did you save the track? Aug 04 12:41:18 with tangogps Aug 04 12:41:39 tango gps rocks Aug 04 12:42:00 ecraven: did you solved the calibration issues with gta02? Aug 04 12:42:13 dns53: even if it lacks the routing functionality ? Aug 04 12:42:17 Zorkman: no Aug 04 12:42:27 Zorkman: but i still have the build directory ;) Aug 04 12:42:34 mmaestri: by using Xglamo or Xfbdev Aug 04 12:42:47 it's good enough for looking at maps Aug 04 12:42:47 and the /etc/pointercal from 2007.2. and a bunch of export TSLIB_.. Aug 04 12:43:01 navit routing works, but sloooow Aug 04 12:43:43 mmaestri: touch build/local/local.conf as well Aug 04 12:43:55 ecraven: is it hard to customize navit to run on the freerunner? Aug 04 12:44:00 don't know if make update does that Aug 04 12:44:07 edje2: i didn't customize it at all, just downloaded, and compiled Aug 04 12:44:25 mmaestri: touch build/local/local.conf && bitbake fso-image works here Aug 04 12:44:26 getting all the dependencies can be no fun, but under debian everything was there Aug 04 12:44:28 ecraven: and you run debia on the phone ? Aug 04 12:44:31 edje2: yes Aug 04 12:44:32 debian* Aug 04 12:44:39 look at wiki/Debian Aug 04 12:44:40 cool^^ Aug 04 12:44:46 not all of that is correct, but it's a start ;) Aug 04 12:46:44 though people have argued that it is probably slower than angström (due to non-stripping of binaries) Aug 04 12:47:00 i haven't noticed anything, except the availability of *many* more packages ;) Aug 04 12:47:25 ecraven, what means non-stripping of binaries? the symbols are not stripped or what? Aug 04 12:47:25 ecraven: are you using it as a phone somehow? Aug 04 12:48:01 ecraven: on armv4 debian and angstrom are about equal Aug 04 12:48:11 ecraven: Angstrom wins on armv6/armv7 though :-) Aug 04 12:48:42 nice there is even a virtyual machine running openmoko. if i have some time i will take a look at it Aug 04 12:48:43 This upcoming 2008.8 release.. is the replacement stable release? Aug 04 12:48:48 alphaone: i'll try that, thx Aug 04 12:48:52 AAARGH. Aug 04 12:48:53 k Aug 04 12:49:01 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-September/000245.html - got the same problem here. Aug 04 12:50:18 mmaestri: no, i only tested gps so far. the accelerometers are working (didn't look at the actual values, only the fact that event2/3 provide output). i'm using the "normal" kernel from OM though, so all the hardware should be ok Aug 04 12:50:28 mmaestri: i'll try gsm whenever i can find a dialler application that doesn't suck Aug 04 12:50:44 XorA: wins by how much? Aug 04 12:50:54 XorA: and in what way :) Aug 04 12:51:33 ecraven: wel on armv6/7 debian still runs armv4 code, where Angstrom uses super optimised armv6/7 code Aug 04 12:51:52 like running 486 code on P4 machines Aug 04 12:52:37 too bad we don't have a arm6/7 device :p Aug 04 12:53:16 does angstorm/the openmoko team strip the debug information? (on gentoo this would be USE="-debug") Aug 04 12:54:02 afaik they do Aug 04 12:54:27 XorA: is that a gcc problem? or is there just no dedicated armv6/7 debian? Aug 04 12:54:44 ecraven: no dedicated armv6/7 debian Aug 04 12:54:46 <- is disappointed | this would be a huge perfomance boost Aug 04 12:54:59 XorA: do we have an armv6/7? Aug 04 12:55:06 ecraven: not yet Aug 04 12:55:14 XorA: start one :) Aug 04 12:55:15 ecraven: but you never know got GTA42 Aug 04 12:55:28 ecraven: OpenMoko runs on HTC armv6 machines though Aug 04 12:57:01 i need some small advice on this issue: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 Aug 04 12:57:09 how to do what he suggests? Aug 04 12:57:15 (If you know how to adapt the U-Boot environment, please give this a try with a slower SD Card clock, from the kernel commandline) Aug 04 12:57:18 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 ) Aug 04 12:57:43 alphaone: now the most recent image seems to work. strange. :) Aug 04 12:57:52 Tanuva: No, good :-) Aug 04 12:57:59 XorA: do you know if the htc magican is a armv6 machine? ( i own one...) Aug 04 12:57:59 but also strange, yeah Aug 04 12:58:01 When is the next batch going to be available for sale on openmoko.com? The site says they should have arrived over a week ago Aug 04 12:58:14 edje2: no idea, I got the Kaiser Aug 04 12:59:07 positronium: there is a delay because of the gps issue Aug 04 12:59:16 ahah, found the problem with usb ethernet on new images Aug 04 12:59:21 well 2 problems anyway Aug 04 12:59:24 Zorkman, are you running gpsd for tangogps? Aug 04 12:59:42 quickdev: yes Aug 04 13:00:14 edje2: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=379&id2=296&id3=380&id4=550&id5=295&id6=363&id7=150&id8=136&id9=133&id10=134&id11=362&id12=135 Aug 04 13:00:39 edje2: ARMv5TE it seems Aug 04 13:00:43 Zorkman, does gpsd belong to gps-utils? Aug 04 13:01:20 don't know exactly... i know you can just opkg install gpsd though Aug 04 13:01:24 Zorkman:yes, pitty. i would like to try it on this old beast before i buy a freerunner Aug 04 13:01:57 edje2: maybe someone in your neighbourhood has a freerunner, you could just ask to play with it for a few hours :) Aug 04 13:02:19 they are thinspread i'd say ;-) Aug 04 13:02:45 there are quite a lot of dutch people on this channel Aug 04 13:02:50 (well, a few anyway :)) Aug 04 13:03:03 I guess not far from delft there will be one Aug 04 13:03:07 ;) Aug 04 13:03:30 i'm in belgium myself... Aug 04 13:05:35 well, acording to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko-supported_hardware it is a kind of supported ! Aug 04 13:06:40 what are you waiting for? :p Aug 04 13:07:11 time? .... Aug 04 13:08:49 perhasp we could tap in on the gps device and find the nearest freerunner ;-) Aug 04 13:09:25 tangogps sort of supports that Aug 04 13:09:33 just add all openmoko users as your friends :) Aug 04 13:09:50 what is the "kernel command line"? Aug 04 13:09:52 :) Aug 04 13:10:01 where to set environment for uboot? Aug 04 13:11:14 beni_: the kernel gets a list of parameters when it is loaded Aug 04 13:11:20 you can customize all manner of things there Aug 04 13:11:30 you set this on the nand/nor boot command line Aug 04 13:11:48 i don't really like tangogps, it lacks a good map rendering/displaying function and it can't do navigation Aug 04 13:11:58 i must have a look at pylgrim and navit Aug 04 13:12:16 bumbl: if you find an up to date version of navit, let me know :) Aug 04 13:12:50 you can access that with neocon or cu or minicom or any other terminal emulator by starting the neo to the nand/nor boot, then use neocon/cu/minicom to connect Aug 04 13:13:03 bumbl: navit is ok, but slow Aug 04 13:13:09 ecraven: is there a way to see the names of the poeple in tangogps? Aug 04 13:14:08 bumbl: pylgrim doesn't do routing though, does it? Aug 04 13:14:15 Zorkman: no idea, i've never used that "feature" Aug 04 13:14:20 no pylgrim doesn't do routing Aug 04 13:14:22 but there must be some kind of username/handle Aug 04 13:15:07 ecraven: just wondering, does it show everyone with tangogps running, or only people with a freerunner? Aug 04 13:15:31 Zorkman: haven't found an up to date version; I will compile it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Aug 04 13:16:16 Zorkman: it shows your "friends" Aug 04 13:16:17 Zorkman: I think everyone with tangogps running who is added as your friend and is logged in Aug 04 13:16:28 you have to create an account, then log in Aug 04 13:16:52 bumbl: compiling works well on debian, not sure about all the dependencies under angström Aug 04 13:17:12 I created an account but haven added anybody as a friend but i still see a lot of people Aug 04 13:17:24 ecraven: I think all the dependencies are in oe Aug 04 13:17:43 ecraven: i know but i dont know how exactly this works Aug 04 13:17:51 i need to overwrite bootcmd, right? Aug 04 13:17:56 has anyone tried navit on the freerunner yet? Aug 04 13:18:38 quickdev: I tried it, but not the routing part Aug 04 13:18:39 I hope that pylgrim displays the maps better; they seem get corrupted after you move out of the area (using offline data; e.g. while taking a ride on your bicycle) and then you have to get it redraw Aug 04 13:19:06 Zorkman, does the displaying of osm work? Aug 04 13:19:10 bumbl: if you compile it, can you please also add libgarmin (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps) se we can use garmin maps?. Aug 04 13:19:21 quickdev: haven't tried anything with maps on navit Aug 04 13:22:33 quickdev: yes, even the routing part. rather slow, but works Aug 04 13:22:52 bumbl: how is pylgrim different than tangogps? Aug 04 13:24:29 it was written on a weekend; is python and seems to focus on the necessary things (i have not tried it yet, you can have a look at the code and screenshots @ www.neo1973-germany.de) Aug 04 13:26:45 Zorkman: yes I will try; I will get my laptop back tomorrow; + 1 day setting up gentoo and the openmoko toolchain again; so expect it on wednesday or thursday Aug 04 13:28:11 bumbl: what can i expect from openmoko on gentoo? is it just for compiling code or can it be a "virtual phone" Aug 04 13:28:26 ? Aug 04 13:28:48 you can compile qemu to start openmoko images on gentoo Aug 04 13:29:01 you can install gentoo on your freerunner Aug 04 13:29:30 hehe, now *that* seems excessive Aug 04 13:29:39 which is one thing i will do as soon as i have a bigger sd card and more spare time Aug 04 13:29:56 if i use qemu and start the openmoko images, i will get the saem look and feel as with the device itself? Aug 04 13:30:05 Yes. Aug 04 13:30:06 same* Aug 04 13:30:10 But much, much slower. Aug 04 13:30:32 ah, great, i already run qemu for other apps, so i want to try that Aug 04 13:30:38 edje2: it also only emulates gta01 devices Aug 04 13:31:01 because there are only gta01 images available ? Aug 04 13:31:21 no, because it only emulates gta01 hardware Aug 04 13:31:47 ah, right which is armxyz? Aug 04 13:32:32 i think the main problem are all the gps/gsm/accel/... devices Aug 04 13:33:20 is 1.90 MB/sec for writing on SDHC aceptable? Aug 04 13:33:49 beni_: no Aug 04 13:33:51 benJIman: that's what you get on your FR? Aug 04 13:33:58 beni_: Aug 04 13:34:10 what should be expected? Aug 04 13:34:26 anybody running epiano? it doesn't launch Aug 04 13:34:32 I read a test an hour ago, telling that the card reader of the eee 901 gets around 16 MB/s Aug 04 13:34:40 ah, now it does, it's just damn slow :) Aug 04 13:34:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#What_hardware_is_supported_2 says qemu will emulate gta02 hardware Aug 04 13:35:05 i cant believe that card is so damn slow. Aug 04 13:35:06 although, the wifi will only show as a device, but be unusable Aug 04 13:35:22 so it depends, do you use the freerunner? or a card reader Aug 04 13:35:39 if you use the freerunner: usb 1.0 limits the speed Aug 04 13:36:13 no, freerunner, but internal card Aug 04 13:36:17 so usb is not an issue Aug 04 13:36:33 did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/foo Aug 04 13:36:37 the bus speed is only 7MB/s, so it will never exceed this Aug 04 13:37:00 and the glamo also uses this bus Aug 04 13:37:17 beni_: what about the other way\/. Aug 04 13:37:35 so kill X, then test :) Aug 04 13:38:00 SpeedEvil: what other way? Aug 04 13:38:19 i had to set down the clock of the sd reader to get the card working Aug 04 13:38:31 beni_: reading Aug 04 13:38:48 not tested Aug 04 13:38:52 i will test. Aug 04 13:38:58 hm how to test.... Aug 04 13:39:13 cat /media/card/foo > /dev/null Aug 04 13:39:30 i boot and test then Aug 04 13:42:36 one of the craziest presentations about the freerunner: http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf Aug 04 13:43:05 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra03ec3bf2c01 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65 Aug 04 13:44:48 ieatlint: the qemu homepage only mentions it emulates a arm procesor. not a word about which version of arm processors Aug 04 13:45:23 beni_: what filesystem are you using on the SD card ? Aug 04 13:46:06 Zorkman, did you do mapping with potlatch or josm? Aug 04 13:46:16 vfat currently Aug 04 13:46:23 quickdev: i tried both Aug 04 13:46:28 the card is factory default Aug 04 13:46:33 edje2, wiki points to a patch for the kernel to get the extra hardware emulators working .. "If a normal OpenMoko kernel is used under Neo FreeRunner emulator, it will simply run as if the machine was a GTA01 and not detect any of the new peripherals. " Aug 04 13:47:21 ieatlint: nice, could be worth the effort to try it Aug 04 13:47:23 Zorkman: very nice presentation ;) Aug 04 13:48:00 key_mgmt=NONE does this need to be set to HEX or ASCII or not on this wpa_supplicant.conf? Aug 04 13:48:07 someone should fix the grammar there.. should be "if the machine were a GTA01" ... :P Aug 04 13:48:21 linuxxee: iirc it should be WEP/WPA/WPA2 Aug 04 13:48:39 ok Aug 04 13:49:05 no Aug 04 13:49:07 one of the above correct? Aug 04 13:49:17 key_mgmt is set only if you use a version of WPA Aug 04 13:49:29 ok then wpa Aug 04 13:49:30 for WEP, it is set to NONE Aug 04 13:50:00 ecraven: it's not mine! Aug 04 13:50:01 so i should use wep? Aug 04 13:50:15 you can break wep in 30 seconds Aug 04 13:50:16 lint Aug 04 13:50:22 oo Aug 04 13:50:24 no Aug 04 13:50:26 yeah, wep is bad Aug 04 13:50:28 wpa better Aug 04 13:50:38 you want WPA-PSK methinks Aug 04 13:50:43 so set it to WPA-PSK Aug 04 13:50:45 so set that var. to wpa Aug 04 13:50:51 ok Aug 04 13:51:24 then set psk="yourpass" Aug 04 13:51:42 and look at the wpa_passphrase command if you don't want your pass saved as plaintext Aug 04 13:55:19 dns53: depends on your hardware; when I tested wep at my ap it took me 2 min to get the key Aug 04 13:57:00 dangit i restarted me router an missed my tutorial scavaging chance Aug 04 13:57:07 well the maths say you have a 50/50 chance to guess it after 30 seconds, so it could take a few tries Aug 04 13:58:16 is it ok to change the root password -correct? Aug 04 13:58:48 before i turn on wifi Aug 04 13:59:21 you can change the root password all you like, nothing uses it except ssh Aug 04 14:00:09 wep sucks; but i think you cant crack a wep network with mac filter and no clients associated Aug 04 14:00:51 untill a single packet is sent Aug 04 14:01:43 dns53: yes data package Aug 04 14:02:01 but without clients no data packages Aug 04 14:05:52 ah, but what use is a network without clients.. Aug 04 14:06:05 I could swear I've seen a page with directions on how to install a new image on a FreeRunner somewhere in the Wiki, but can't find it now. Anyone have a pointer? Aug 04 14:06:21 search for dfu-util Aug 04 14:06:31 and look at the wpa_passphrase command if you don't want your pass saved as plaintex Aug 04 14:06:50 i dont understand this part Aug 04 14:07:03 well, there is supposed to be a t at the end Aug 04 14:07:12 loolol Aug 04 14:07:37 <*g*> plain TeX is great, though Aug 04 14:07:51 so issue that command instead of putting it in the supplinant.conf? Aug 04 14:08:12 http://linux.die.net/man/8/wpa_passphrase Aug 04 14:08:30 linuxxr: wpa_passphrase encodes your password (with your essid) Aug 04 14:08:43 so you can put that into supplicant.conf instead of the plaintext password Aug 04 14:09:42 probably not the strongest encryption, but it prevents the average person from simply looking at your wpa_supplicant.conf to see your password Aug 04 14:10:40 heh, of course you could just steal the encrypted password and put it in your wpa_supplicant.conf methinks Aug 04 14:11:56 scan_ssid=1 is this the channel? Aug 04 14:12:02 no Aug 04 14:12:21 you can use this to automatically connect to a network on startup Aug 04 14:12:24 you don't need to set the channel, it'll find it Aug 04 14:13:06 i think i have it Aug 04 14:14:13 all i needed to change from the sample wpa_supplicant.conf from the wiki is wpa2 correct? Aug 04 14:14:43 the wiki gives examples of all the encryption types Aug 04 14:15:59 if you put down "pairwise=CCMP TKIP" (which is the default value -- it'll be this if you don't specify), it'll try CCMP and then TKIP Aug 04 14:16:49 for the FSO users: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ Aug 04 14:17:19 http://pastebin.com/d590962f9 Aug 04 14:17:45 does that look ok? Aug 04 14:18:39 uhm, well, you have the same network set to like 4 different types of encryption and to no encryption at all Aug 04 14:18:59 mang im a noob Aug 04 14:19:05 is your AP using wpa, wep or no encryption? Aug 04 14:19:17 so remove all but the wpa2? Aug 04 14:19:57 do "iwlist eth0 scan" and find the cell that has your essid Aug 04 14:20:02 it is set to wpa-psk Aug 04 14:20:33 ok, then yeah, delete all but the "wpa2" one Aug 04 14:20:57 if it's wpa/tkip ("wpa"), it'll work Aug 04 14:21:10 ok Aug 04 14:23:16 i would delete the proto line too Aug 04 14:23:37 it'll default to "RSN WPA" (thus, trying RSN, and falling back to WPA if it doesn't work) Aug 04 14:25:06 if you have ssid, psk and key_mgmt set (only) in the network block, you'll be fine Aug 04 14:26:17 isn't there a /etc/network that is much easier to set up than wpa_supplicant? Aug 04 14:29:06 ecraven, wpa_supplicant isn't all too difficult really... the wiki is just overly verbose Aug 04 14:29:17 an im a noob Aug 04 14:29:28 What is the name of that german venomous insect that is very common in germany ? Aug 04 14:29:30 sorry if this is a noob question, I have the following 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' would this prevent me from seeing other machines on my network from the neo ? Aug 04 14:29:52 it should be "Do you have WPA? Okay, set these 3 settings" ... "Do you have WEP? Okay, set these.." Aug 04 14:30:24 this whole wpa versus wpa2 thing is fine, if you feel like setting it... but leaving default values is simpler, really Aug 04 14:30:56 I can see the desktop I am connected to 192.168.0.4 and also the internet but not other machines like 192.168.0.3 or 192.168.0.102 Aug 04 14:31:14 set youe /etc/resolv.conf on the freerunner to match the one(first one if there more) on your box Aug 04 14:31:23 o Aug 04 14:31:29 i shut up Aug 04 14:32:00 linuxxr, was that for me? Aug 04 14:32:17 yes Aug 04 14:32:19 GirlRiver, what are you trying to do? Aug 04 14:32:46 GirlRiver: the mask you are using is for subnet 192.168.0.200 Aug 04 14:33:35 I want my neo to see all of my network not just my host machine 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.4) Aug 04 14:34:06 so if I chnage the mask to 255.255.255.0 it should see all ? Aug 04 14:34:11 GirlRiver: what is the netmask for the other computers? Aug 04 14:34:49 they all have 255.255.255.0 Aug 04 14:35:27 GirlRiver: i don;t think so, i think you should use a diffrent subnet (ex 192.168.1.xyz) and use your workstation as a router Aug 04 14:36:17 what if shes already has a router Aug 04 14:36:28 as it appears Aug 04 14:36:34 GirlRiver: i assume that the 192.168.0.xyz/24 addresses are the ethernet addresses? Aug 04 14:37:11 edje2, care to elaborate ? I currently have routers 192.168.0.1 with wan connection and 192.168.0.2 providing wifi but not NAT, all other devices are 192.168.0.3 etc... all the way to some in 192.168.0.100 for things like my NAS Aug 04 14:37:52 you're best off using wifi to talk to the other machines then Aug 04 14:37:55 when you say ethernet you mean cabled ? Aug 04 14:38:12 routing through the machine you connect it via usb will be tedious affair Aug 04 14:38:54 GirlRiver: yes, i mean ethernet as cabled and you seem to have an usb connection between the phone and your computer Aug 04 14:39:36 like: phone ---usb---- workstation== ethernet == router --- {} internet Aug 04 14:39:51 correct, only just got that going so sounds like I'm best to tackle wifi next and I'll see my network like other machines Aug 04 14:40:25 i think so yes. it should be possible with usb too, but it is more complicated Aug 04 14:40:59 yeah, with the usb and wifi interfaces being on the same subnet though, it will be even weirder Aug 04 14:41:19 technically phone ---usb --- laptop == wifi == router == ethernet == router -- {} internet Aug 04 14:41:47 ( to elaborate some more, the usb network should be a diffrent subnet then the ethernet subnet. your workstation would then route between the usb subnet and the ethernet subnet) Aug 04 14:42:30 I see so w a limiting to 192.168.0.200 for the usb link Aug 04 14:42:40 w a = we are Aug 04 14:42:52 which can be accomplished either by changing the ip address of the usb interface on the phone and laptop to something else (eg, 10.0.0.xyz) or setting the subnet mask for the usb interfaces on the phone and laptop to 255.255.255.255 Aug 04 14:43:27 err, wait, forget the subnet mask Aug 04 14:43:33 that would work for the default route, heh Aug 04 14:43:50 got it. So next up I'll get my wireless going on the neo with wep but too late here now to embark on that one... thanks to everyone Aug 04 14:44:04 yer welcome! Aug 04 14:44:22 yeah, do that, you're most likely to succeed on that route Aug 04 14:44:37 I'm currently on the qtopia stack Aug 04 14:44:51 hm.. we need gnucash on the neo :) Aug 04 14:45:03 the complicated side of networking is where you want to break something in frustration and confusion Aug 04 14:46:01 yup im still not connected ineed to go over the wiki Aug 04 14:46:31 anyone here know what the package management and procedure is for qtopia stack or is that pretty much locked into trolltech releases ? Aug 04 14:46:49 linuxxr, try running "wpa_cli" with no options Aug 04 14:47:03 I mean I have qtopia running, but assuming opkg and the like does not apply Aug 04 14:47:03 it will start printing out status info Aug 04 14:47:10 (type "status" for some extra info) Aug 04 14:47:38 linuxxr, also, remember wpa_supplicant only connects you to the network -- you still need to set an ip address, likely using udhcpc Aug 04 14:47:46 anyway, I'm off to bed 1am here in au. thanks to all Aug 04 14:47:54 ok Aug 04 14:48:18 GirlRiver, opkg is extra packages, the qtopia stack itself is locked by trolltech Aug 04 14:48:42 qtopia does have a package management system, but seemingly no repositories from which to get/update packages Aug 04 14:49:05 ahoi Aug 04 14:49:22 Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying Aug 04 14:49:23 aaaaaaaaargh matey Aug 04 14:49:33 ok Aug 04 14:50:11 PBeck, you'd have best brought some rum with that attitude Aug 04 14:51:19 sorry last silly question.. how do I put my qtopia to sleep o'nite but wake on alarm Aug 04 14:51:38 GirlRiver, qtopia doesn't so much suppport suspend/sleep Aug 04 14:51:57 but if you go to the clock, it does have an alarm setting ... but i'm not sure i'd trust it without testing it Aug 04 14:51:58 ieatlint: why? Aug 04 14:52:32 ieatlint, so will the battery last till morning ? Aug 04 14:52:48 maybe Aug 04 14:52:53 leave it plugged in Aug 04 14:52:55 I can always be safe and take the usb charger with me Aug 04 14:53:02 k, cheers Aug 04 14:53:06 if it does survive, it'll be low Aug 04 14:53:42 ieatlint: ahoi is a german greeting Aug 04 14:54:04 actually it's a dutch greeting that you stoll Aug 04 14:54:06 stole Aug 04 14:54:50 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb5867834b4e4 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image Aug 04 14:54:50 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6a43421f62a 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules Aug 04 14:54:51 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf9e2e8486702 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes Aug 04 14:54:52 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3eae6c00575 10/packages/linux/ (3 files): [linux-openmoko] clean up the recipes Aug 04 14:54:53 thieving bastards... however appropriate the maritime and pirate connotations associated with the word in english Aug 04 14:55:17 Yaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Aug 04 14:55:33 which image does 'org.openmoko.dev' apply to? Aug 04 14:55:42 donomo: buildhost.openmoko.org Aug 04 14:55:44 XorA: ??? ;-) Aug 04 14:55:49 XorA: Just put in everything. The flash is big enough for it. ;) Aug 04 14:55:56 XorA: i mean is that a checkin for FSO, 2007.2? Aug 04 14:56:14 stefan_schmidt: Im fedup of arguing with kernel team Aug 04 14:56:29 stefan_schmidt: that change will never go to OE anyway Aug 04 14:56:47 XorA: I can imagine Aug 04 14:57:25 5.6M for all modules Aug 04 14:57:26 As long as it is not fedora it will be wrong anyway. ;) Aug 04 14:58:20 ahoi has his beginning in the english word => ahoy Aug 04 14:59:20 ah, yes, i am wrong :( Aug 04 14:59:37 stupid middle english Aug 04 15:00:40 i wait for my freerunner :) Aug 04 15:04:05 ifup: duplicate interface "eth0" Aug 04 15:04:12 wat is that? Aug 04 15:06:30 linuxxr: check /etc/network/interfaces Aug 04 15:08:52 ok Aug 04 15:11:45 http://pastebin.com/m20e59709 Aug 04 15:12:09 # Aug 04 15:12:10 iface eth0 inet dhcp Aug 04 15:12:15 two of those Aug 04 15:12:19 o Aug 04 15:12:25 #15-16 Aug 04 15:12:33 ok Aug 04 15:12:40 i mess up:) Aug 04 15:12:44 thanks Aug 04 15:12:47 im a noob Aug 04 15:15:23 Invalid configuration line 'l_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant'. Aug 04 15:15:49 Hmm.. The FR LED signals wiki article is getting about 30 hits a day.. unfortunately, the information I put on it is practically hearsay. :/ Aug 04 15:18:35 http://pastebin.com/m6dce355 Aug 04 15:22:33 linuxxr: i would guess at line 16 Aug 04 15:22:42 linuxxr: and whats with al the ~-lines Aug 04 15:22:50 linuxxr: vim? Aug 04 15:22:56 hey linuxxr, i think that your theory with the offset SIM contacts does not apply in general. I have such a SIM by myself and although the contacts are offset, they match the phone-contacts Aug 04 15:23:46 * fspde made a picture http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 Aug 04 15:23:58 I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!!! Aug 04 15:24:38 so how is everyone doing? Aug 04 15:25:46 quite well Flinx, where have you been? Aug 04 15:26:52 having a weekend. Aug 04 15:27:13 and watching the mail so that i can get my FR faster. Aug 04 15:27:55 I think my next task is to set up my Debian so that i can do things with it. Aug 04 15:28:01 so staring at your inbox makes your FR arrive faster? :) Aug 04 15:28:15 yes Aug 04 15:28:17 moin Aug 04 15:28:21 moin ronny Aug 04 15:28:41 I'm using all of my Willpower so that Koolu sends it overnight ;) Aug 04 15:28:45 how are the plans for the pim-suite to have a real sync to pim-suites on a pc ? Aug 04 15:29:21 willpower is strong though, maybe you can use it, to make my boss pay me more money? Aug 04 15:29:27 some are fully offset where as others are not offset near so far Aug 04 15:29:29 and what the heck am i missing with the latest dev-images (trying to install agpsui/tangogps both result in errors) ? Aug 04 15:30:04 ronny, installing gpsd did it for me Aug 04 15:30:11 if the tab touches the contact its wrong Aug 04 15:30:48 fspde: why does it look like theres 4 rows of contacts on the phone Aug 04 15:31:08 does line 16 need backed up or what? Aug 04 15:31:11 linuxxr, if you watched my picture, you'd noticed, the the tab is indeed touching the contact. so i taped it. but nevertheless, the contacts are in a right position Aug 04 15:31:40 link me to the pic Aug 04 15:31:53 is it stable now? Aug 04 15:31:55 zash, because there are 4 rows, the most right isn't used for gsm Aug 04 15:32:17 linuxxr, link to the pic -> http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 Aug 04 15:32:29 well a centered sim fixed me Aug 04 15:32:31 the sim doesn't work at all :( Aug 04 15:32:43 fspde: generic smartcardcontacts perhaps? Aug 04 15:32:45 thats really strange. Aug 04 15:33:11 so you have to use tape before the sim will work? Aug 04 15:33:13 zash, i don't know Aug 04 15:33:55 no Flinx, i just wanted to show, that isolating the sim-holders tab from the sim doesn't solve the issue for me Aug 04 15:34:05 looks to me like if u had a centered sim it would contact on the left 3 instead of on the right 3 Aug 04 15:34:19 nope linuxxr Aug 04 15:34:30 ok i look at mine Aug 04 15:34:35 i used a working sim from a friend of mine, the same rows are used Aug 04 15:34:47 anybody got orrery working? Aug 04 15:35:31 fspde: doesnt help here :/ Aug 04 15:35:54 ronny, what does opkg say? Aug 04 15:36:33 fspde: # opkg install tangogps Aug 04 15:36:34 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 04 15:36:44 gnarf Aug 04 15:36:56 fspde: is the middle tab and the 1st from top left connected? Aug 04 15:37:34 zash, what are you meaning by "tab"? do you mean the contacts of the sim card? Aug 04 15:37:39 yes Aug 04 15:38:12 not in my other phone, where the SIM is working Aug 04 15:39:21 and in the FR only the middle outer left contact was connected (to GND i think) by the card-holders tab, which i prevented by using the tape Aug 04 15:39:56 ronny, may i query you? Aug 04 15:40:05 fspde: sure Aug 04 15:41:07 http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml Aug 04 15:43:05 hmm, so even if it was a 6-pin sim, the contact "4" is correctly connected to gnd Aug 04 15:43:46 silly question: is there a pinout for SIM cards? Aug 04 15:43:50 wasnt it something about diffrent voltages on the nonworking sims? Aug 04 15:43:54 or are they all pinned differently? Aug 04 15:44:02 Flinx: the link i pasted Aug 04 15:44:12 ... Yeah I just saw that.. god I feel blind >.< Aug 04 15:44:48 can someone repaste that link? Aug 04 15:45:23 UndrWater: http://pinouts.ru/Memory/SmartCardIso_pinout.shtml Aug 04 15:45:28 UndrWater: that link? Aug 04 15:45:54 zash: yep...thanks! :) Aug 04 15:47:07 yes zash, but the FR should be able to handle newer sim cards. that voltage-issue refers to ancient sims I think Aug 04 15:47:38 for example: the 5 year old sim of my friend works fine. mine (1 year old) does not Aug 04 15:54:14 when installing opkg install -d card python-disutils, got Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 04 15:54:35 linuxxr, what i wanted to say: I think the fact that your new SIM is working is just a coincedence, and not (only) because it is centered. Its just another clue though, and not the answer to all sim-related issues :( Aug 04 15:54:52 why is there a difference from charging from a pc and the charger that comes with the freerunner..? I've just had it run out of battery, and couldn't get it to charge, when connecting it to the PC.. It started booting, but shut off half-way through.. But on the charger, it booted up as it should..? Aug 04 15:55:03 opendeep, got another instance of opkg running? maybe in another shell? Aug 04 15:55:15 I haven't been able to find anything about it on the wiki, but I might have been looking the wrong places Aug 04 15:55:47 Bubbi: then your usb-port doesnt supply enough power Aug 04 15:56:05 opendeep: you're probably running the ASU? and have used or are using assassin (the installer application) Aug 04 15:57:28 ronny: It charges the neo just fine, when the neo's not fully discharged.. But maybe it only supplies 100mA, instead of the 500mA to do a fast charge Aug 04 15:58:04 hmm Aug 04 15:58:30 fspde:how to check another instance? Aug 04 15:58:57 Bubbi: that's what i've heard Aug 04 15:58:58 is there any step-by-step howto for setting up the sdk? (i cant find it) Aug 04 16:00:08 well.. I'll just have to keep the charger close, if i'm going on long trips.. :) Aug 04 16:00:18 hmm, maybe in /var/lock/ there is a opkg...something... that need's to be removed in advanced. but that should also go away on reboot, if there is sth Aug 04 16:00:31 and by a long trip, I mean a weekend out.. :D Aug 04 16:01:56 hmm, opkg install -nodeps doesnt ignore deps here :/ Aug 04 16:02:12 * ronny runs into gtk+ vs gtk+-fastscale issues Aug 04 16:02:27 Bubbi, I think this relates to your problem -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery Aug 04 16:04:02 fspde: yeah, but I have tried to do it with my PC' Aug 04 16:04:23 .... but it didn't work.. I even left it for the night.. not just a few minutes Aug 04 16:04:41 But as soon as I plugged it into the wall-charger, it worked Aug 04 16:05:17 http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/first-openmoko.html Aug 04 16:05:41 ... a full bundle of custom Google applications, on top of the core GNU/Linux OS base with dialing, SMS and contacts. Aug 04 16:05:48 heya, are all the debug boards compatible with all of the GTA0X hardware? Aug 04 16:06:02 wow, a lot have been going on the few last days.. it's quite an update that you get when doing opkg update/upgrade.. :) Aug 04 16:06:05 Bubbi, that is a kernel related issue I think. it only allows the phone to charge, when it's not deep discarged, and it's powered on and fully booted Aug 04 16:06:53 vicious circle :) Aug 04 16:06:55 Sargun: Yes Aug 04 16:06:58 fspde: yeah probably.. but according to the article, that you linked to. It should still charge from any USB host, if you just keep it there a few hours Aug 04 16:07:19 abraxa_, Cool, time to try out my debug board on my DE Aug 04 16:07:21 so maybe the article is wrong for the freerunner Aug 04 16:07:48 heh.. yeah, it's really some odd thing.. It needs to be charged to boot.. and to charge, it needs to be booted.. ehm.. damn Aug 04 16:08:00 have you removed the battery for >= 20 secs? Aug 04 16:08:08 yep.. Aug 04 16:08:14 Buy now the WE Phone! http://koolu.com/ Aug 04 16:08:27 weird... but my motorola does act the same :) Aug 04 16:08:45 Ban Spoonguard! Aug 04 16:10:45 davi: I didn't think that the WE phone actually had those apps on it yet :P Aug 04 16:11:17 that page looks and feels like a scam :P Aug 04 16:11:36 fspde: Maybe the USB is only a trickle charge? Aug 04 16:11:51 Flinx: It doesn't have skype yet.. it says so at the bottom of the page, heh Aug 04 16:12:12 Quai: Actually people have bought FR's from there. I recent;y ordered one so I don't think its a scam ;) Aug 04 16:12:19 But yeah it -looks- like one Aug 04 16:12:23 Flinx, Well it is interesting how they are already doing __MARKETING__ Aug 04 16:12:51 Bubbi: Ahh I didn't know. In either case im more interested in the hardware ;) Aug 04 16:13:30 :P aren't we all.. Aug 04 16:13:42 Flinx, Marketing = http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/first-openmoko.html Aug 04 16:13:44 davi: I know that they're already doing marketing, and when I get my phone I will telly ou if it shipped as they said Aug 04 16:13:45 We can make the software.. but not the hardware.. Aug 04 16:13:50 Flinx, that is a protective circuit (or software) of the carging controller of the FR i think. USB always delivers at least 100 mA current. asked or not :) Aug 04 16:14:13 fspde: I was just putting the idea out there. cause I dunno Aug 04 16:14:29 fspde: but you would think that it works eh? Aug 04 16:14:49 and davi: let me get the email from Koolu about what it actually comes with ;) Aug 04 16:14:58 because I did email them Aug 04 16:15:19 Flinx, Take care: I see it as a Debian versus Ubuntu case. Ubuntu is just a Debian parasite. Aug 04 16:15:47 Ubuntu does marketing and get the market. Aug 04 16:16:02 it's too hot in here, i can't focus, sorry, no offense :) Aug 04 16:17:19 * fspde is goin to hunt some food Aug 04 16:17:54 hmm, where did the agpsui package go ? (i cant find it in the repos) Aug 04 16:18:05 can anyone build orrery? (https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/orrery/) i thought i would be able to build int on the freerunner but seems like i cant... Aug 04 16:18:19 make: /build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc: Command not found Aug 04 16:18:23 * Flinx joins fspde Aug 04 16:20:04 yo Aug 04 16:20:10 whats up mutts? Aug 04 16:21:04 you are :) Aug 04 16:21:14 yup Aug 04 16:21:23 is there any java on the FR? Aug 04 16:22:56 rooly: I've been able to get a simple app to run on the emulator using Jalimo Aug 04 16:23:36 I don't have a real FR :-( Aug 04 16:24:12 Has anyone been able to successfully make a backup of the rootfs on your freerunner using dfu-util? Aug 04 16:24:41 i get an error whenever i try it. I can backup the kernel alright...but the rootfs always errors out Aug 04 16:25:37 jancona: as of a few days ago Koolu had stock of the North American FR's Aug 04 16:29:26 ofcourse i was right the 3 contacts DO in fact contact the left 3 sim contacts Aug 04 16:30:42 Flinx: Tnx, I saw that, but I'm in the US and am not sure I want to order from Canada Aug 04 16:30:49 when u insert the correct sim the contacts switch to the other 3 lolololol Aug 04 16:31:17 so enough with the wrongness Aug 04 16:32:00 ah Aug 04 16:32:32 I did it cause i didn't want to wait 6-8 weeks ;) Aug 04 16:33:15 is it possible to mount a folder to /media/card? Aug 04 16:33:20 Don't blame you. Have you gotten it yet? Aug 04 16:33:32 not yet Aug 04 16:33:37 probably today or tomorrow Aug 04 16:33:47 I only ordered it last... Thursday Aug 04 16:34:22 Cool. Maybe that's the way to go. Aug 04 16:34:35 *nods* Aug 04 16:34:50 I know that someone else on here from last Thursday did the same thing Aug 04 16:35:04 I have to sell my wife on the idea of a new $400 toy, too. :) Aug 04 16:35:08 which is what make me feel better about ordering. But i can let you know when I get mine Aug 04 16:35:10 LOL! Aug 04 16:35:24 tell her its not a toy? Aug 04 16:35:47 She's not that easily fooled... Aug 04 16:35:50 "it's a mobile device that will allow you to promote open development" Aug 04 16:35:50 jancona: you can programm the vibrator Aug 04 16:35:56 LOL!!!! Aug 04 16:36:02 * Flinx dies Aug 04 16:36:39 Zorkman: LOL, I like that. Aug 04 16:37:18 Might want to get a peripheral tho... Aug 04 16:39:33 wpa_supplicant: /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start Aug 04 16:40:12 ssh root@moko Aug 04 16:40:39 openmoko: 03tick * r4579 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/source/ (miscellaneous_calculator.png unknown_calculator.png): [thumbnails] fix the wrong name Aug 04 16:40:50 cool idea for an app: vibrator attached to the accelerometers. Aug 04 16:41:03 so the more you waggle the freerunner, the harder it vibrates. Aug 04 16:43:37 lol!!! Aug 04 16:44:04 That'd be popular with the ladies ;) Aug 04 16:44:35 http://pastebin.com/m16a13e6b Aug 04 16:45:19 help me ive fallen an cant get up Aug 04 16:46:24 openmoko: 03tick * r4580 10/trunk/src/target/thumbnails/result/thumbnail.eet: update the new thumbnail Aug 04 16:50:23 en bas Aug 04 16:50:29 oups Aug 04 16:51:49 ai am away! Aug 04 16:52:03 torpor: there's just one little thing.. once the neo then goes into vibrator mode, it automatically affects the accelerometers, and thus making it go faster and faster from the first second.. :D But yeah, the ladies would love it.. heh Aug 04 16:52:22 *snickering* Aug 04 16:52:30 someone should put this on Bash.org :P Aug 04 17:02:30 oh god... I feel like that'd potentially ruin a good neo Aug 04 17:05:57 Bubbi: could just use histeresis to sort that out .. Aug 04 17:08:43 are there opkg repos for FSO or is it still milestone releases Aug 04 17:09:37 Hey Guys! Anybody there, who can help me getting QEmu to run on Mac OS X Leopard? Following the tutorial from wiki didn't make it... desperately looking for help! Aug 04 17:12:04 trix: iirc there was something about fso feeds on the ml today Aug 04 17:12:22 trix: If you install a milestone release, you'll get the opkg repos in /etc/opkg/... Aug 04 17:13:23 older versions of the ASU had an option on the keyboard to switch to "full qwerty" or numeric, I build from asu.dev yesterday and this seems to have gone away. Has anyone else experienced this? Aug 04 17:14:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle Aug 04 17:16:13 hey linuxxr, got a sec? Aug 04 17:16:19 wat Aug 04 17:16:53 im messing with gps Aug 04 17:17:01 did you say, that your new (working) sim is contacting the 3 rows on the RIGHT side? Aug 04 17:17:03 offtopic: woohoo, my Eee is on its way Aug 04 17:17:33 peter__b: I think those instructions refer to the "show keyboard on demand" , I thought the keyboard style selector was in a different place, however as per the discussion comment on the page the instructions don't seem to work anymore Aug 04 17:17:57 oh Aug 04 17:18:06 looking at your pic an looking at my holder yes it uses the opsite side of the contacts Aug 04 17:18:19 you can switch the keyboards by scrolling with your finger Aug 04 17:18:34 i mean a diff set of contacts Aug 04 17:18:58 hmm, alright, i'll try to rasp some plastic material off my sim, so that i can contact them too, maybe this works :) Aug 04 17:19:09 send me that pic link again Aug 04 17:19:18 no Aug 04 17:19:24 http://picasaweb.google.com/mahnkef/FR/photo#5230679731819690498 Aug 04 17:19:25 change the sim Aug 04 17:19:26 peter__b: ahh I see. thanks Aug 04 17:19:52 changing sim is not as easy and not for free where i live Aug 04 17:20:03 at&t? Aug 04 17:20:06 nope Aug 04 17:20:09 o Aug 04 17:20:18 stevenSn: the toogle "trick" is also working again Aug 04 17:20:25 where are u? Aug 04 17:20:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6d3850c17099 10/ (23 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-* Aug 04 17:20:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9b9433610ee9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580 Aug 04 17:20:50 if i mess up the SIM i can get a new one anyway, so why not trying it Aug 04 17:21:02 lpotter: you said something about qbuild to me, what was that about? Aug 04 17:21:11 i'm from germany Aug 04 17:21:14 ok Aug 04 17:21:18 ic\ Aug 04 17:21:23 :) Aug 04 17:21:39 peter__b: by toggle "trick" you mean changing freerunner.edc to hide/show the keyboard on demand? Aug 04 17:22:00 hmmm, anyone managed to get wifi working via qtopia's interface? Aug 04 17:22:11 stevenSn: yo Aug 04 17:22:26 back Aug 04 17:22:56 front Aug 04 17:26:35 dude.. wtf... I'm banned from #debian :( Aug 04 17:27:49 hehe Aug 04 17:28:01 Flinx: what did you do ? Aug 04 17:29:25 I don't know Aug 04 17:29:42 >.> Aug 04 17:30:11 *sigh* This is off topic for here, but would any of you happen to know how to change a root password from a script? Aug 04 17:30:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r4f207219a90d 10/tools/ (makedoc.py style.xml): makedoc: add style Aug 04 17:35:26 Flinx: There's an init script on the gentoo live CDs that does that, maybe you have one around to look at it Aug 04 17:42:22 is there an gui to edit speaker volume? (except alsamixer) Aug 04 17:45:08 SIM card does not work after hardware-hack :( Aug 04 17:45:44 how many SIM cards have proven to work? Aug 04 17:45:48 ...with FR, so the other three contact-rows are not helping either Aug 04 17:45:53 about 10 i think Aug 04 17:46:04 Zorkman: which distro? Aug 04 17:46:08 for me personally Aug 04 17:46:09 I saw that on the Wiki Aug 04 17:46:27 but 10 seemd like such a low number that I wasnt sure if it was up to date Aug 04 17:46:39 doc|home: 2007.2 Aug 04 17:46:57 no idea then, sorry Aug 04 17:47:08 for which distro is there one? Aug 04 17:47:19 qtopia, but even there the volume kinda sucks Aug 04 17:47:32 e.g. it's highly unlikely the alarm will ever wake me Aug 04 17:47:41 and call volume is terrible Aug 04 17:47:55 found it very hard to hear a caller in a cafe yesterday Aug 04 17:48:03 forget about being on the street with traffic passing Aug 04 17:48:12 must try alsamixer Aug 04 17:48:53 hi all Aug 04 17:49:02 hi cga Aug 04 17:49:11 my FR deleted many of my contacts from the SIM card :( Aug 04 17:49:13 thats one of the things i don't understand... this looks likes the most important thing they had to fix before shipping the _phone_ Aug 04 17:49:57 Zorkman: one of :/ Aug 04 17:49:58 yup Aug 04 17:50:58 Zorkman: which thing? Aug 04 17:51:04 cga: it didn't delete it Aug 04 17:51:10 * lindi- just lost all today's GPS tracks to /var/tmp being on tmpfs and openmoko rebooting :P Aug 04 17:51:12 it just does not show them Aug 04 17:51:16 +thanks Aug 04 17:51:20 bumbl, how can i show them? Aug 04 17:51:27 use a different image Aug 04 17:51:39 you are using 2007.2 i think? Aug 04 17:51:42 cga: are you trying to read contacts from a device like a blackberry? Aug 04 17:51:42 Flinx: the whole gsm audio thing.... I hope we can find a fix soon because i want to use the FR as my main phone Aug 04 17:51:43 yes Aug 04 17:51:50 Flinx, free runner Aug 04 17:51:59 bumbl, yes 2007.2 Aug 04 17:52:04 because i nkow when I changed phones I had to go back and export them to my SIM Aug 04 17:52:09 i'm waiting for 2008.08 Aug 04 17:52:15 ahh good Aug 04 17:52:22 if you for example try fso Aug 04 17:52:38 few more days Aug 04 17:52:38 you will see that all your contacts show up Aug 04 17:52:49 i want to wait for 08, i don't want to flash often Aug 04 17:53:05 anyway good to know they are still there Aug 04 17:53:31 and every time you reboot your freerunner you will see that the freerunner displays a random number of sim contacts Aug 04 17:53:41 *my experience* Aug 04 17:53:44 weird Aug 04 17:53:55 but isn't 2007.2 dead-ended now and replaced with asu? Aug 04 17:54:12 doc|home: -ASU +SHR Aug 04 17:54:13 doc|home: no Aug 04 17:54:15 bumbl, what i noticed is that fr at every boot shows up new messages received that are not new at all. same for missed calls Aug 04 17:54:20 Zorkman: Yeah I see what you are saying Aug 04 17:54:26 good question, it's bit confusing Aug 04 17:54:30 with the release of 2008.8 it will be dead at last Aug 04 17:54:32 abraxa_: when shr actually works, sure, but I'm just talking about the current situation Aug 04 17:54:58 cga: 2007.2 has a nice interface but the apps suck Aug 04 17:55:03 * cga going for dinner now, see you later Aug 04 17:55:07 moo. Aug 04 17:55:08 Anyone know if an "opkg update ; opkg upgrade" will do an upgrade to 2008.8? Aug 04 17:55:14 doc|home: Your statement still isn't correct :) - ASU is an alternative to 2007.2, not a replacement Aug 04 17:55:22 bumbl, honestly i don't like 2007.02 much Aug 04 17:55:32 openmoko developed GTK GUI and phone libraries. qtopia was GUI and phone libraries for framebuffer. correct so far? Aug 04 17:55:56 lindi-: Yeah Aug 04 17:55:58 see you later Aug 04 17:56:11 ASU includes qtopia ported for X with enlightenment window manager and launcher? Aug 04 17:56:12 gah, name confusion. 2008.8 = ASU Aug 04 17:56:27 lindi-: Yup Aug 04 17:56:34 and ASU also somehow implements FSO apis? Aug 04 17:56:39 lindi-: Nope Aug 04 17:56:47 so that GUI and libraries are separated? Aug 04 17:57:03 no, qtopia is quite monolithic, asu doesn't change that Aug 04 17:57:15 that's the problem and why that is a short-term solution Aug 04 17:57:28 * Chox just sobs, and goes back to work Aug 04 17:57:32 mjr: ok. so more dbus use in the future? Aug 04 17:57:45 probably, if fso is where one is going Aug 04 17:58:49 http://pastebin.com/m16a13e6b Aug 04 17:58:55 i nrrd Aug 04 17:58:57 lindi-: I think it is a longtermgoal to implement the fso dbus backand Aug 04 17:58:59 i need Aug 04 17:59:07 mjr: this explains why i saw commit messages where qtopiaphone was dealing with AT commands Aug 04 17:59:53 which sounded quite odd since i thought GUI should know nothing about details of AT commands Aug 04 18:00:52 qtopia is more than a gui. it is a complete phone solution. and i wouldnt call it monolithic Aug 04 18:00:58 lpotter: yep Aug 04 18:01:14 can somebody now summarize what SHR is? ;) Aug 04 18:01:25 It's the Shhhh Release. Aug 04 18:01:30 We can't talk about it. Aug 04 18:01:44 http://pastebin.com/d23bcd610 Aug 04 18:01:55 SpeedEvil: GTK + ASU somehow? Aug 04 18:02:04 lindi-, some community project about integrating fso backend and some of the gtk phone apps and also lib support from asu etc Aug 04 18:02:29 ~shr Aug 04 18:02:30 i heard shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Aug 04 18:02:36 mjr: so to avoid QT? Aug 04 18:02:45 does that look right? Aug 04 18:03:14 lindi-, well the qtopia libs are supposed to go in there anyway; for some the motivation is that probably, though, since it woudln't be mandatory Aug 04 18:03:27 lindi-: QuickTime? Yeah, should probably avoid tat ;) Aug 04 18:03:31 * fspde leaves "cya!" Aug 04 18:03:37 s/tat/that/ Aug 04 18:03:38 leinir meant: lindi-: QuickTime? Yeah, should probably avoid that ;) Aug 04 18:04:04 grr, i'll definitely avoid that Aug 04 18:04:28 mjr: parse error Aug 04 18:04:35 mjr: qtopia libraries are going to SHR too? Aug 04 18:04:53 lindi-, rather the goal would be to get a more complete fso-based phone system relatively quickly Aug 04 18:05:04 lindi-, yeah, to support those apps Aug 04 18:05:11 mmok Aug 04 18:05:43 my only worry about QT is that it's GPLv2-only but that might no be a serious problem if I can just use GTK too Aug 04 18:06:07 why would gpl be a concern? Aug 04 18:06:37 lpotter: GPLv3 Aug 04 18:07:20 the kernel is still v2, is that a concern for you? Aug 04 18:07:59 actually that is a concern for me at least. Not a biggie, but actually in a user space library it's a slightly higher annoyance too :] Aug 04 18:08:09 lpotter: you mentioned qbuild last night after I went to bed. I didn't follow Aug 04 18:08:12 lpotter: sure but much less since a gui is probably not derivative of the kernel :) Aug 04 18:09:13 doc|home: new things in qtopia 4.4 Aug 04 18:09:21 ah, ok, thanks Aug 04 18:09:32 i would think that lgpl would be a bigger concern Aug 04 18:10:48 lpotter: you can always conver lgpl to gpl anyway Aug 04 18:11:06 no you cant Aug 04 18:11:21 LGPL says ' 3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, instead of to this License. (If a newer version than version 2 of the ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify that version in Aug 04 18:11:23 youcant change a licnese unless you only the copyright Aug 04 18:12:02 yeah it's not converting in that sense Aug 04 18:12:04 what is the benefit of changing licences? Aug 04 18:13:31 wep is shared key, right? Aug 04 18:14:09 doc|home, yes Aug 04 18:14:17 thanks Aug 04 18:14:53 hmm if qt would be lgpl ther would be nothing stopping kde on its way to world domination Aug 04 18:15:25 hah, yeah Aug 04 18:15:29 personally, i want more free software Aug 04 18:15:32 grrr, why won't this thing connect Aug 04 18:15:38 so qt needs to stay gpl Aug 04 18:16:04 Anyone know if we're expected to be able to update to 2008.08 with "opkg update ; opkg upgrade"? (Given that updates right now can't happen without extra options, I'm thinking that a 2008.08 update probably won't be able to happen without reflashing or force installing packages with -nodeps.) Aug 04 18:16:06 wurp2|working, that's what i thought, too. but in the last milestone i installed, the opkg repos all contained "my-distribution.org" so it seems to be broken on purpose Aug 04 18:16:09 kde is the only linus endorsed desktop manager at the moment methinks Aug 04 18:16:22 peter__b, thanks, i'll check the mailing list. did you see that on the general discussion list or another? Aug 04 18:16:23 ok, so, has anyone actually gotten wifi over wep working using the qtopia gui? Aug 04 18:16:27 trix: Weird... I'm pretty sure my MS 1 install had good opkg config Aug 04 18:16:33 hmm Aug 04 18:16:36 trix: I haven't tried MS 2, though Aug 04 18:16:45 bumbl: if qt were free when it was released we probably wouldn't have GTK :) Aug 04 18:16:49 And mine was gta01, not FR Aug 04 18:17:05 wurp, what's the hostname in your all-feed.conf? Aug 04 18:17:21 trix: Dunno, I've long since burned another release :-( Aug 04 18:17:31 ahh ok. what're you onto now? Aug 04 18:17:53 I switch between ScaredyCat & preliminary SHR Aug 04 18:18:22 gotcha. thanks :) Aug 04 18:18:33 welcome, sorry I wasn't of any actual help ;-) Aug 04 18:18:41 lpotter: anyways, back to business. i'll continue reading email archives and then try to figure out how to build this ASU thing. does that sound like a good midterm goal? I'd like to report and fix bugs. and also try if i can get different arm powersaving modes work Aug 04 18:19:08 Wow this all feels over my head :( Aug 04 18:21:02 I hope I can catch up when i get my FR Aug 04 18:21:25 lpotter: i'd love to be able to just "apt-get source neod; editor neod.../../..; fakeroot apt-get --build source neod" without having to touch all this bitbake stuff but it's probably not possible Aug 04 18:22:39 oh damn, morgan freeman is in hospital in "serious condition" after a car accident last night Aug 04 18:22:58 that sucks... Aug 04 18:22:59 :( Aug 04 18:23:10 er,should the qtopia wifi gui edit /etc/networking/interfaces? Aug 04 18:23:18 -ing Aug 04 18:23:37 it doesnt edit the interfaces file Aug 04 18:23:38 probably Aug 04 18:23:56 what does it edit? Aug 04 18:24:08 my setup's not working, want to verify in file Aug 04 18:24:39 doc|home: its own settings and /var/lib/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 04 18:24:54 conf in /var/ ? Aug 04 18:26:08 hmmm, it says key_mgmt = NONE is that correct given I supplied a key? Aug 04 18:26:26 grr, it also says wpa2 Aug 04 18:26:49 key_mgmt = PSK Aug 04 18:26:54 for wpa2_personal Aug 04 18:26:57 hmm .. Aug 04 18:27:00 I want wep, not wpa Aug 04 18:27:13 u can simply leavee out key_mgmt = Aug 04 18:27:19 and set psk = "" Aug 04 18:27:24 that can do wpa/wep Aug 04 18:28:05 doc|home: check the GTA02 wlan page Aug 04 18:28:08 the entries at the end. Aug 04 18:28:12 that's what u should attempt Aug 04 18:28:15 doc|home: in that case it uses iwconfi Aug 04 18:28:35 I've always hated having to fuck with wifi on linux. such a mess Aug 04 18:28:45 true. Aug 04 18:28:47 my feelings Aug 04 18:29:01 wep works for me. except route needs fixing still Aug 04 18:29:05 never done it, but i know that linux support is brutal on wifi Aug 04 18:29:10 lpotter: have you seen the n800's wifi setup? Aug 04 18:29:17 of curse Aug 04 18:29:21 course Aug 04 18:29:30 would be nice if qtopia worked like that Aug 04 18:29:47 is there a way to port the nokia way? Aug 04 18:29:54 or do something similar? Aug 04 18:30:10 qtopia is the nokia way :) Aug 04 18:30:14 n800 has proprietary wifi driver Aug 04 18:30:22 ahhh Aug 04 18:30:33 I like my n800 Aug 04 18:30:34 as in Nokia ownes qtopia Aug 04 18:30:37 the driver shouldn't make any difference Aug 04 18:30:52 this is merely an interface design Aug 04 18:30:57 doc|home: n800 also has proprietary encryption method Aug 04 18:31:05 they do? Aug 04 18:31:08 qtopia is still opensource right? Aug 04 18:31:22 linuxxr: yes Aug 04 18:31:23 "list access points, select from list, check for auth type, enter necessary info, connect" simple. works. Aug 04 18:31:34 lpotter: how so? Aug 04 18:31:37 oh.. so they use a propritary method to connect to standard WEP,WPA etc...? Aug 04 18:31:52 lpotter: it's not so much the connection as the interface Aug 04 18:31:55 yeah the interface is pretty slick Aug 04 18:32:08 qtopia has scan for WLAN Aug 04 18:32:16 just opened FREERUNNER! Yeah! However, I set up static dhcp and can't ssh in! Any quick suggestions? Aug 04 18:32:18 lpotter: I tried that, it said no known networks Aug 04 18:32:23 but thats not workngon neo yet Aug 04 18:32:25 hehe Aug 04 18:32:27 aye Aug 04 18:33:10 csatlose: use usb networking first Aug 04 18:33:18 lindi-: I know Aug 04 18:33:20 csatlose: ehrm... static dhcp? How does that work? ;) Aug 04 18:33:51 ^^' Aug 04 18:34:23 lindi-: I connected via usb-networking at first, and all worked. Then stupidly I assigned a static IP and now I can't connect anymore. Is there a factory reset option? Aug 04 18:34:49 csatlose: how did you "assign" it? Aug 04 18:35:17 lpotter: a way to fix routes: Aug 04 18:35:48 in eth0, add these lines below wireless_key, wpa_conf and wireless_mode Aug 04 18:36:05 post-up sleep 2; ip route del default via 192.168.0.200 Aug 04 18:36:14 lindi-: while still connected via usb netw. I edited /etc/networks/interfaces. I tried changing back from static to dhcp in Freerunner terminal, but the phone keypad doesn't have ESC. Aug 04 18:36:20 post-down sleep 2; ip route add default via 192.168.0.200 Aug 04 18:36:23 csatlose: try finding it with nmap? Aug 04 18:36:28 :-) that should ^^ fixxor Aug 04 18:36:33 csatlose: interesting :) Aug 04 18:36:50 csatlose: or nm Aug 04 18:37:04 csatlose: well, you can always install new firmware image Aug 04 18:37:13 and, you might want to remove the nameserver from /etc/resolv.conf as well. you could grep -v nameserver 192.168.0.200 back to /etc/resolv.conf ;) Aug 04 18:37:21 csatlose: you'll want to do it anyway since the phone was shipped with quite old version Aug 04 18:37:36 freeruner ipconfig returns 192.168.0.202 (this is what I assigned it) Aug 04 18:37:43 anyone know how to go back in bash history when scroll keys don't translate? Aug 04 18:37:49 er, cursor keys Aug 04 18:38:09 lindi-: Guilt flashing can be done with laptop and SD card? Aug 04 18:38:22 csatlose: just laptop, and USB cable Aug 04 18:38:25 doc|home: ctrl+P and ctrl+N ? Aug 04 18:38:25 csatlose: usb cable is easiest Aug 04 18:38:30 tuXXX: thanks, will try Aug 04 18:38:37 csatlose: it should be quite safe Aug 04 18:38:47 csatlose: if something goes wrong you can just start it again Aug 04 18:38:57 tuXXX: that did it, thanks Aug 04 18:38:59 will I still need to "network" it? Guilt Aug 04 18:39:05 csatlose: nope Aug 04 18:39:11 nono Aug 04 18:39:17 the flashing happens by a different mechanism Aug 04 18:39:22 called DFU Aug 04 18:39:22 csatlose: see wiki for instructions. you hold AUX and then press POWER Aug 04 18:39:25 thanks guys ... going to the wiki then!! :-) Aug 04 18:39:32 have fun! :-) Aug 04 18:39:48 arse Aug 04 18:39:51 csatlose: and openmoko boots bootloader from NOR flash, from there you can flash to NAND flash Aug 04 18:39:53 no leasem failing Aug 04 18:39:56 *lease, Aug 04 18:40:38 doc|home: you might want to set wireless_essid blah Aug 04 18:40:42 that works for me always. Aug 04 18:40:47 autoscan fails many a times Aug 04 18:40:59 instead of wireless_essid any Aug 04 18:41:10 hmmm, ok Aug 04 18:41:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi Aug 04 18:41:34 which has ssid="your_ssid" Aug 04 18:41:36 which is set Aug 04 18:41:41 Sample wpa_supplicant.conf part Aug 04 18:41:56 oh wait, might try more of the piece above that Aug 04 18:42:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1759775f96ec 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Aug 04 18:42:40 freesmartphone.org: docs: allow embeddeding html tags into docstrings. Use [foo] syntax for everything that's going to be substituted by . Warning: Be careful with that. Aug 04 18:42:40 freesmartphone.org: otapi: enrich docs Aug 04 18:42:50 set wireless_essid in /etc/network interfaces Aug 04 18:42:59 ^^ it can be found near wifi0 which is useless Aug 04 18:43:31 ah, ok Aug 04 18:43:39 * doc|home stabs linux wireless Aug 04 18:43:48 * Guilt joins doc|home in stabbing Aug 04 18:43:56 lol Aug 04 18:44:24 the first thing the linux usability project should concentrate on is connectivity Aug 04 18:44:32 then GUI ;) Aug 04 18:44:47 brb Aug 04 18:45:57 heh Aug 04 18:47:31 any ideas on how to get python-gtk? Aug 04 18:55:09 ok, I think my freerunner's going to sit on my desk for another couple of weeks :( Aug 04 18:55:40 opkg install python-pygtk ? Aug 04 18:55:50 I see things about microSD compatibility for neo1973, is this an issue for the freerunner? Aug 04 18:56:14 in terms of https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Aug 04 19:00:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf589bb4b8fc0 10/ (22 files in 4 dirs): revamp documentation generation Aug 04 19:02:31 is 2008.08 based on the new framework? Aug 04 19:02:56 no. 2009.something will Aug 04 19:03:04 2008.08 is based on Qtopia middleware Aug 04 19:03:10 ok thanks Aug 04 19:04:14 cga: 2008.8 is the ASU Aug 04 19:04:33 reading that right now on the wiki thanks =) Aug 04 19:05:16 I just don't understand why tbey need a new name for it.... seems like people are still confused Aug 04 19:05:17 it looks promising =) Aug 04 19:05:23 almien, all well and good with opkg install blah...but the neo1973 repo is down Aug 04 19:05:27 so it won't grab it Aug 04 19:10:44 Doc|home you there? Aug 04 19:11:50 railer: yeah Aug 04 19:13:02 2 weeks in the drawer? Aug 04 19:13:13 yep Aug 04 19:13:29 I think I'll put mine there too Aug 04 19:13:40 my drawer? thanks Aug 04 19:13:45 johnsu01, I haven't had any compatibility issues with my 8gb microsd. just make sure you get sdhc cards and it should be fine. i believe the 16gb card will work fine, too, when it comes out. Aug 04 19:13:46 * doc|home heads to ebay Aug 04 19:14:20 dot Aug 04 19:14:24 trix: Cool, thanks. Are you using a SanDisk? Aug 04 19:14:27 heading down to Vancouver in two weeks I'll drop it off then Aug 04 19:15:18 johnsu01, yes, picked it up from a best buy but any 8gb sdhc (read: not a generic brand) should work fine Aug 04 19:15:42 trix: Right, okay. Thanks. Aug 04 19:15:42 will I break something on the neo if I set a root password? Aug 04 19:15:51 railer: hehe Aug 04 19:16:18 Tavuna _ pw works fine for me Aug 04 19:16:31 lindi-: back again with flashing questions. I am getting some error messages (can I post them here?). Do you mind helping. Aug 04 19:17:04 johnsu01, you're welcome! and from what i hear the english wiki will occupy about 4gb or more, if you're at all interested in having that on your microsd when it comes out Aug 04 19:17:10 peter__b: fine... :) Aug 04 19:17:19 You were here last night, I was never sure was girlriver actually a girl? Aug 04 19:17:24 peter__b: btw: type the first two/three letters of a nick and press ;) Aug 04 19:17:59 trix: Hm, okay. I think I will get a larger one then. Aug 04 19:19:55 hello all. I seem to be getting error messages from flashing the Freerunner. I'm following the wiki and I'm a linux user comfortable with the CLI. Can anyone help? Aug 04 19:20:17 I would love to know the demographics of Age/Gender/Location and on occasion the IQ of people who bought this phone Aug 04 19:20:27 csatlose: maybe if you tell us the messages ;) Aug 04 19:20:49 railer: 18/male/Northern Germany :P Aug 04 19:21:04 40/M/Alberta Canada Aug 04 19:21:24 csatlose: What error messages? Aug 04 19:21:38 Tanuva: Warning: Runtime device already in DFU state? Aug 04 19:21:55 31/M/VA-USA Aug 04 19:21:56 anybody know a good mediaplayer for 2007.2? Aug 04 19:22:15 17/M/Sweden Aug 04 19:22:23 abraxa_: Warning: Runtime device already in DFU state? Aug 04 19:22:32 Tanuva : doesnt work with xchat Aug 04 19:22:35 what do you think the M to F demographics are? 97 to 3? Aug 04 19:22:45 csatlose: Did you give dfu-util the USB device ID to use? Aug 04 19:22:58 abraxa_: how do I do that? Aug 04 19:23:29 -d 0x....:0x.... Aug 04 19:23:37 lsusb gives you the ID Aug 04 19:23:44 railer: maybe even more extreme... Aug 04 19:23:52 yup Aug 04 19:24:06 so dfu-util -d 0x...:0xxx with the result from lsusb? Aug 04 19:24:34 tangogps - "http://www.thunderflames.org/tiles/cycle/%d/%d/%d.png" gets you the 'cycling' OSM tiles, which includes roads and topo... Aug 04 19:24:44 i'd like https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 to move forward soon... Aug 04 19:24:49 csatlose: -d 0x1457:0x5122 if you have a Freerunner Aug 04 19:25:43 on 2007.02 when i turn off wifi the power button doesn't work anymore. is it a known bug? Aug 04 19:26:18 abraxa_: freerunner is not showing up in lsusb Aug 04 19:27:13 csatlose: Is it turned on? Did you boot into u-boot? Aug 04 19:27:40 abraxa_: yes, I have the boot menu up, and I just left it there as the wiki says. Aug 04 19:27:54 hi Aug 04 19:28:12 abraxa_: although lsusb now gives me this device: Bus 001 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119 Aug 04 19:28:56 csatlose: Ah right. I forgot it has different IDs in u-boot and when running the OS. Aug 04 19:29:22 Hm, at least if I remember correctly. Aug 04 19:29:45 Either way, try submitting that ID to dfu-util Aug 04 19:30:19 abraxa_: is the full command this: dfu-util -d 0x...:0x... ? Aug 04 19:31:49 csatlose: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Reference_Documentation Aug 04 19:32:20 where's the $PATH for .desktop Icon entries? Aug 04 19:32:28 no. What's this path? Aug 04 19:33:54 war driving Aug 04 19:34:06 opps, wrong place Aug 04 19:34:37 railer, im not sure OM is the best for wardriving. Aug 04 19:34:38 ;0 Aug 04 19:35:08 one thing at a time, lets get the phone to work without buzzing Aug 04 19:35:09 is there any hope for being able to use aircrack etc? Aug 04 19:35:26 there's always hope Aug 04 19:36:04 reasonable hope? :) Aug 04 19:36:17 how can i make a ringtone from an ogg? Aug 04 19:36:22 and use it? Aug 04 19:37:00 Zorkman, for that you need a firmware that supports packet injection iirc, and i don't think that's there yet. Aug 04 19:37:20 though there is no reason to believe that won't be possible some day. Aug 04 19:37:39 well parts of the over all package, but the decrypter part i highly doubt, cpu too slow Aug 04 19:37:47 railer, yeah. Aug 04 19:38:24 well yeah, but i meant the packet injection stuff Aug 04 19:38:26 railer, i guess the first step of getting it to work is buying a moko, which i haven't accomplished just yet. Aug 04 19:38:33 decryption is ok on host pc for all i care Aug 04 19:38:53 Zorkman, host pc without wifi that will use moko for wifi? Aug 04 19:39:00 ;0 Aug 04 19:39:17 TAsn: jup :) Aug 04 19:39:46 Zorkman, i think buying a pcmcia card is a lot cheaper than a moko Aug 04 19:39:54 and will probably have better reception ;0 Aug 04 19:40:05 but I already have a moko... :p Aug 04 19:40:10 Zorkman, ;0 Aug 04 19:40:24 well im off. Aug 04 19:40:27 gotta rest a bit. Aug 04 19:40:33 im tired as hell. Aug 04 19:40:33 cya. Aug 04 19:40:37 and it would be great to have wifi at places where you sometimes go, for example near a parc or somewhere where you regulary eat Aug 04 19:40:44 I have a high power 1watt usb wifi you'd be amazed what you can pick up Aug 04 19:40:50 is FSO based on the new framework? Aug 04 19:40:57 ok, cya TAsn Aug 04 19:40:59 i want to try it but i'm not sure Aug 04 19:41:15 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82b1826e7fa2 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Use Gypsy TimeChanged signal Aug 04 19:41:16 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rdea4f1604cf9 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: Aug 04 19:41:16 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Log non-UBX data with priority info instead of debug Aug 04 19:41:16 freesmartphone.org: We disable NMEA sentences now. Aug 04 19:41:16 will it be useable from a user perspective? Aug 04 19:41:17 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd2e4847446b4 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: implement preliminary ACK handling for CFG messages Aug 04 19:48:40 hi Aug 04 19:49:32 cga: its fairly stable imho if you're lucky with the snapshot - but at least for me the sound quality is damn bad. and no sms yet, of course. :) Aug 04 19:49:42 I'm thinking about getting a Freerunner. How's the battery time doing with newer firmwares? Aug 04 19:50:14 sigi_: I can only tell you about fso which can last >24h in suspend Aug 04 19:50:33 no. I got it up to >36h IIRC Aug 04 19:50:34 thats the "new one", right? Aug 04 19:50:38 Tanuva, thanks , i'll wait ASU then Aug 04 19:50:39 sigi_: yes Aug 04 19:50:54 hm, ok Aug 04 19:52:04 Tanuva: Excuse the stupid question, but can it still receive calls in suspend or is it totally suspended? Aug 04 19:52:49 sigi_: I tested this on my desk some times and it rang while suspended, so it should work. But I'm not sure about how reliable this is up to now Aug 04 19:52:57 you have to be fast Aug 04 19:53:06 but it worked for me mostly Aug 04 19:53:09 if you stick with the milestones, there shouldn't go too much wrong Aug 04 19:54:06 Tanuva: Thanks for the info! Aug 04 19:54:36 ecraven: how long does it take to wake up from suspend if you have to be fast? :) Aug 04 19:56:35 sigi_: no problem :) Aug 04 20:01:19 sigi_: 3-5 seconds i'd guess.. i haven't tried with ASU, only FSO Aug 04 20:01:39 no, it was longer, actually.. about 10? Aug 04 20:01:45 i don't have FSO on my neo atm Aug 04 20:01:53 and debian suspends nicely, but doesn't resume so well :( Aug 04 20:02:26 do you need the board to change from FSO to ASU or is the cable enough? Aug 04 20:02:51 sorry I haven't really read a lot yet Aug 04 20:03:07 just stop me if I'm too annoying with my questions Aug 04 20:03:08 sigi_: no board required Aug 04 20:03:12 cool Aug 04 20:03:21 Has anyone been able to successfully use dfu-util to make a backup of their rootfs partition? Aug 04 20:03:28 sigi_: search on the wiki for dfu-util Aug 04 20:03:41 i can make one of the kernel...but not the rootfs. It always errors out Aug 04 20:03:53 Pyrasi: you can use netcat and /dev/mtd*, that should always work Aug 04 20:04:22 fwiw, I just replicated what Pyrasi reported. Aug 04 20:05:09 Has anybody got a hint on a cryptsetup-package for the freerunner? I'm searching for quite a while now and can't find anything binary, only statements like this (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004438.html) Aug 04 20:06:23 New to Openmoko! What do I need to try my hand at developing a different kind of keyboard input that overrides the default? Aug 04 20:06:51 Can that be done in Python? Or is the keyboard portion done in something like C? Aug 04 20:07:02 auxide: have a look at matchbox-keyboard, xvkbd, and multitap-pad Aug 04 20:07:21 all of those are in C i believe, but it should be possible in python, if you can handle the focus Aug 04 20:09:01 Well it makes no difference to me, my idea is simple. Something like morse code where character entry is done by two buttons, [o] and [-], with some aux. buttons for del and enter/confirm, just to play around in spare time Aug 04 20:09:14 do those keyboards have wiki pages or are they on their own, ecraven? Aug 04 20:10:21 matchbox-keyboard is in the matchbox svn (matchbox is the window manager), xvkbd i don't know, and multitap-pad is from OM (i think?!?) Aug 04 20:10:25 but googling should help :) Aug 04 20:10:30 all of them are open-source Aug 04 20:10:42 Will do. Thanks. Aug 04 20:10:55 I don't have my freerunner yet but just wanted to do some reading on how to develop etc Aug 04 20:11:04 back Aug 04 20:11:10 windows had a fit Aug 04 20:11:13 the basic idea is *not* grabbing input focus, but leave it where it is, and generate keypress events, i think Aug 04 20:11:15 >.> Aug 04 20:12:10 I'm a ham radio guy so the idea of morse code is interesting (not time based, but just entering in sequences of dots and dashes, like a binary keyboard of sorts, but following morse code conventions) we'll see how it goes... Aug 04 20:12:24 auxide: have a look at matchbox-stroke Aug 04 20:13:05 nick FLinx Aug 04 20:13:07 it can recognize strokes, you might be able to use it as an input part Aug 04 20:13:09 gah.. Aug 04 20:13:21 ... Aug 04 20:13:28 brb Aug 04 20:13:50 ecraven: thanks, will look into it Aug 04 20:14:08 there we go.. Aug 04 20:14:27 hrm.. is there a way to print previous messages? Aug 04 20:15:40 so if i was to use netcat to backup the nand partitions....how would you go about restoring them? Aug 04 20:15:52 Flinx: previous messages in this channel? Aug 04 20:16:05 Pyrasi: same way you'd normally do it Aug 04 20:16:24 or alternatively boot from sd, then just netcat the file to the neo, and cat it into /dev/mtd* Aug 04 20:16:48 ecraven: yeah Aug 04 20:17:04 If I flash my phone with FSO milestone 2, will I be able to ise opkg to keep it up to date, or do I need to reflash once in a while? Aug 04 20:17:09 Flinx: there's a channel log Aug 04 20:17:23 will it let you overwrite the nand while you are running in it? o.O Aug 04 20:17:28 not sure where :) the wiki will tell you Aug 04 20:17:33 hrm Aug 04 20:17:35 thats okay Aug 04 20:17:39 Pyrasi: not sure about that, but it should work for the rootfs Aug 04 20:17:46 I'll just try to catch up the hard way ;) Aug 04 20:18:00 Pyrasi: though i'd only use it for the rootfs and kernel, doesn't dfu-util work for you? Aug 04 20:18:17 anybody: when i ssh in to the phone and do DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stubru-mid.mp3 it plays the mp3 stream Aug 04 20:18:20 ecraven: where can I download the code for the keyboard modules so I can see how they are written? Is there some SVN access? Aug 04 20:18:28 i wanted to create a desktop file for thi s (i use 2007.2) Aug 04 20:18:50 but when i type in the desktop file Exec=DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stubru-mid.mp3 it does nothing Aug 04 20:18:59 auxide: http://matchbox-project.org/ under Download, there's an svn repository Aug 04 20:19:02 Zorkman: Create a script with that content Aug 04 20:19:04 dfu-util works fine...but i want to make a backup of my current ASU build before i go messing around with it anymore. And dfu-util doesnt seem to want to work when trying to make a backup of rootfs...only the kernel partition Aug 04 20:19:10 And chmod a+x it Aug 04 20:19:18 and set exec=the path to that script Aug 04 20:19:18 auxide: xvkbd: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ Aug 04 20:19:24 wurp2|working: that is what i first did, a bash script but it still wouldn't work Aug 04 20:19:29 i'll try to chmod it Aug 04 20:19:44 Zorkman: That's weird, because I have several .desktop items set up like that Aug 04 20:19:50 do i need to type "bash" in fron of it after exec=? Aug 04 20:19:53 Zorkman: you need chmod, otherwise it most certainly won't work Aug 04 20:19:55 Zorkman: nope Aug 04 20:19:57 ecraven: thanks, sorry to bother you just for a link :) Aug 04 20:20:01 also, add #!/bin/sh as the first line Aug 04 20:20:04 Zorkman: But, what ecraven said Aug 04 20:20:15 auxide: no problem at all :) i'll be happy if you get a decent keyboard going ;) Aug 04 20:20:15 ecraven: I didn't have to dot hat Aug 04 20:20:21 s/dot hat/do that/ Aug 04 20:20:21 wurp2|working meant: ecraven: I didn't have to do that Aug 04 20:20:27 wurp2|working: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :) Aug 04 20:20:34 ecraven: :-) Aug 04 20:20:37 (though most of the time it does) Aug 04 20:21:02 Does anyone know of a .whatever file that will be executed when the terminal session is started? Aug 04 20:21:15 auxide: you may want to look into the XTEST extension, makes it easy to generate keyboard input Aug 04 20:21:24 wurp2|working: .bashrc normally works Aug 04 20:21:29 or .bash_login or .bash_profile ;) Aug 04 20:21:29 I think our terminal is some exe that supports ash and sh (seemingly depending on the name of the link you use to execute it) Aug 04 20:21:36 .bashrc does not work Aug 04 20:21:41 oh, terminal, sorry Aug 04 20:21:47 nor does .shrc, nor .ashrc Aug 04 20:21:52 .profile Aug 04 20:22:01 .bashrc is executed when I start up bash Aug 04 20:22:21 bnto: I thought .profile was executed when your whole profile comes up, once, not each time you open a shell Aug 04 20:22:26 ecraven: so i would be able to netcat the backup back onto the freerunner and overwrite the rootfs while im booted into it? It just seemed that there might be some concurrency problems there if i catted into the mtdblock that stored the rootfs i was currently booted into Aug 04 20:22:59 ecraven: wurp2|working: i did that and it still doesn't work; my two files: http://pastebin.com/d650b2202 Aug 04 20:23:17 wurp2|working: don't know about the theory (normally I use zsh), but it works. I set my PATH in ~/.profile Aug 04 20:23:23 Pyrasi: you should really boot from SD if you do that :) Aug 04 20:23:40 Zorkman: Terminal=true Aug 04 20:23:53 bnto: On the neo? Aug 04 20:23:58 wurp2|working: also tried that Aug 04 20:24:02 wurp2|working: yes Aug 04 20:24:05 shouldn't need that, wurp2|working Aug 04 20:24:09 bnto: Excellent, I'll try that Aug 04 20:24:11 when i manualy type "bash stu" when i am sshd in it works Aug 04 20:24:19 Zorkman: did you do 'chmod +x /home/root/stu' ?? Aug 04 20:24:23 yes Aug 04 20:24:24 ecraven: OK, I wasn't sure, I just know I've always been using it Aug 04 20:24:31 Zorkman: What about when you just run ./stu? Aug 04 20:24:39 you only need that if you run, e.g. 'ls' or something that needs a terminal Aug 04 20:24:42 Oh, Zorkman Aug 04 20:24:47 You can't put it on one line Aug 04 20:24:55 Put a CR after your :0 Aug 04 20:25:23 ecraven: Are you sure? I sure don't see a terminal start up when I run .desktop files, regardless of Terminal= Aug 04 20:25:23 ah, it's a script, right Aug 04 20:25:26 CR? Aug 04 20:25:30 carriage return Aug 04 20:25:34 Zorkman: export DISPLAY=:0 Aug 04 20:25:36 mplayer ... Aug 04 20:25:40 newline Aug 04 20:25:42 you need export, otherwise mplayer won't see it Aug 04 20:25:46 what ecraven said Aug 04 20:25:55 can i just hit "enter" or do i need to input a special character? Aug 04 20:25:57 wurp2|working: no, but that's what the documentation says ;) of course, the documentation is wrong more often than not Aug 04 20:26:00 You also don't need the DISPLAY= when running directly on the neo Aug 04 20:26:07 Zorkman: Just hit enter Aug 04 20:26:08 just hit enter Aug 04 20:26:08 ecraven: but it does work when i type "bash stu" Aug 04 20:26:17 Zorkman: the question is ./stu, not bash stu Aug 04 20:26:24 DISPLAY= you should only need when you run over ssh Aug 04 20:26:48 I don't understand how it could work when you type bash stu Aug 04 20:26:57 it just does :) Aug 04 20:27:08 hrm, but it does Aug 04 20:27:10 it works ssh'd in, and when typing in the neo terminal Aug 04 20:27:21 Zorkman: did you try calling mplayer with full path? Aug 04 20:27:22 I would still put in the newline Aug 04 20:27:24 and the export Aug 04 20:27:34 who was it that was talking about the W.E phone earlier? Aug 04 20:27:39 i have put the new line in and the export, but it doesn't work Aug 04 20:27:41 bnto: It's a URL, and it is a full path... Aug 04 20:28:00 ./stu also works Aug 04 20:28:03 davi: you still around? Aug 04 20:28:04 any idea if i can build usb host cable by just adding gender changer to end of the supplied usb cable? Aug 04 20:28:11 Zorkman: Try restarting X Aug 04 20:28:13 Flinx, yes Aug 04 20:28:13 how are you starting the .desktop file? Aug 04 20:28:21 I mean: /usr/bin/mplayer Aug 04 20:28:22 you need to restart X if you modify the .desktop files, i think Aug 04 20:28:23 Zorkman: I *think* the .desktop files may be cached Aug 04 20:28:29 Flinx, Marketing = http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/first-openmoko.html Aug 04 20:28:33 wurp2|working: i'm quite sure they are :) Aug 04 20:28:35 Right Aug 04 20:28:41 ecraven: I know the list is Aug 04 20:28:52 davi: but you didn't read the fine print -- "Phones for software developers are available now with OpenMoko software on them. The consumer W.E. Phone will ship once the software is available, which is expected in the fall of 2008. " Aug 04 20:28:52 ecraven: I wasn't sure about content Aug 04 20:29:27 Its on the Front page of the Koolu website under the "more" option Aug 04 20:29:46 Flinx, Is the W.E phone competing with the own Openmoko phone? Aug 04 20:29:52 restarting x worked! Aug 04 20:29:53 wurp2|working: i played around with debian a few days ago, and they were cached. i don't think angström matchbox-desktop is different Aug 04 20:29:59 Zorkman: congratulations :) Aug 04 20:30:03 Hi All OMers! Aug 04 20:30:06 thanks for the help guys (again :)) Aug 04 20:30:11 ecraven: Ah, good info, thanks Aug 04 20:30:24 davi: The W.E phone is the FreeRunner with google apps on it Aug 04 20:30:33 trying to build using MokoMakefile but getting problem building glibc Aug 04 20:30:33 ecraven: That answers that question Aug 04 20:30:37 does anyone know how i can hide/unhide xvkbd? Aug 04 20:30:37 http://pastebin.com/d79831a20 Aug 04 20:30:50 ecraven: killall xvkbd Aug 04 20:30:52 davi: However they do NOT have the WE version yet because the software isn't done ;) Aug 04 20:30:52 wurp2|working: most of them incorrectly ;P thanks for correcting Aug 04 20:30:58 wurp2|working: lol, is that the only way? Aug 04 20:31:02 But first ps -eaf | grep for it to find the way to start it up again Aug 04 20:31:06 ecraven: Sorry, dunno Aug 04 20:31:10 I just know *a* way Aug 04 20:31:12 Flinx, I actually hope the Openmoko version get first the market and be better than such W.E one Aug 04 20:31:17 davi: marketing or not, it is currently the same kit you get from OpenMoko Aug 04 20:31:18 ecraven: There may be a keyboard gadget for it Aug 04 20:31:31 davi: I do to Aug 04 20:31:34 anyone ran into similar may be? Aug 04 20:31:36 in which case, edit the matchbox-session to include the gadget, then use it Aug 04 20:31:47 wurp2|working: i only need a command-line way to hide/unhide it, then i can use mb-applet-launcher Aug 04 20:32:08 ah, someone should go and program an Erlang/Scheme/Lisp thingie for phones :( Aug 04 20:32:24 may be my problem is within custom GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8 ru_RU.UTF-8 en_US en_US.ISO-8859-15 ru_RU.KOI8-R ru_RU.CP1251" ? Aug 04 20:32:28 ecraven: Ah, for command line, I personally just whack it as described before Aug 04 20:32:38 Flinx, I would advice get first a good feature set, and then polish the look&feel, and then do the marketing campaign Aug 04 20:32:44 ecraven: There is a clisp for the neo Aug 04 20:32:45 mb-applet-launcher -k should work then Aug 04 20:33:00 wurp2|working: wish it had mcclim too :) Aug 04 20:33:08 also i didn't find it for debian yet.. Aug 04 20:33:12 davi: I know, thats how I would do it. but apparently Koolu thinks differently Aug 04 20:33:25 ecraven: I dunno much about lisp; I just saw people porting clisp to the neo Aug 04 20:33:54 davi: in either case it looks like the FR and the W.E can use the same software configs *snicker* Aug 04 20:33:57 chicken scheme runs nicely on the neo Aug 04 20:34:44 zedstar_: yes, but it lacks gui support of any sort :( Aug 04 20:34:49 well, *decent* gui support ;) Aug 04 20:35:04 *pokes the interwebs looking for where his Phone is* Aug 04 20:35:09 Flinx, In some way W.E in doing some marketing in favor of the Openmoko too, due to the hardware is the same Aug 04 20:35:41 ecraven hmm yeh im not sure the state of the gtk+ egg Aug 04 20:35:54 davi: I know. Its really awesome because they're promoting the sale of hardware. Aug 04 20:36:18 Flinx, Are you getting part of the profit of the hardware selling? Aug 04 20:36:42 so, that is all good news for you :)ç Aug 04 20:36:45 davi: nope. I'm just a consumer actually. and not affiliated with Koolu Aug 04 20:36:55 ah! Aug 04 20:37:32 davi: I'm just happy to see that the hardware is getting into the world because that means more money to support future development of the entire OpenMoko project Aug 04 20:37:40 scrolling during mp3 playback makes the sound stutter.... Aug 04 20:38:00 i think doing *anything* during playback creates problems Aug 04 20:38:10 * Tanuva is fiddling with his own mp3 player for the neo... Aug 04 20:38:15 davi: I also wasn't sure if you saw that bit about how the W.E phone = FR with OpenMoko Aug 04 20:38:29 simple playback draws ~33% cpu atm Aug 04 20:38:45 tanner: not inherently Aug 04 20:38:46 Tanuva: is that because the decoder isn't targetted for arm? Aug 04 20:38:54 Tanuva: 18% on GTA01 Aug 04 20:39:03 ecraven: dont ask me about such things, I'm just getting into gstreamer :D Aug 04 20:39:05 Tanuva: with an old version of mplayer Aug 04 20:39:22 Flinx, Yes I saw it. I just wanted to report to this channel, hopping the Openmoko CIO would know about it Aug 04 20:39:31 odd question: what does the community need more. App Programmers or people that know ARM9? Aug 04 20:39:44 i thought we had an arm4? Aug 04 20:39:47 Arm9 is almost irrelevant Aug 04 20:39:56 assembler is irrelevant rather Aug 04 20:40:06 And architecture. Aug 04 20:40:10 davi: Ahh. I would hope the OM CIO would know *chuckles* because to be a reseller I think they needed a licence agreement Aug 04 20:40:16 Application level stuff is 99.9% of it. Aug 04 20:40:17 kay Aug 04 20:40:30 Cause I'm trying to figure out which path I should take Aug 04 20:40:36 and be most efficient at. Aug 04 20:41:10 later Aug 04 20:41:46 davi: cya :D Aug 04 20:42:17 so it looks like Python and C are on my list of things to learn. Aug 04 20:42:28 Flinx: pretty much. Aug 04 20:42:51 good to know Aug 04 20:43:02 I should start now. Aug 04 20:43:16 python is quite nice, just these self.* statements everywhere are a bit annoying Aug 04 20:43:35 ahh Aug 04 20:43:43 so between the two which is used more? Aug 04 20:43:51 so that I can prioritize? Aug 04 20:44:06 Flinx: C is more in the low-level. Aug 04 20:44:32 kay so python for the app level is more in demand? (guesstimating?) Aug 04 20:44:43 Flinx: python doesn't really have the performance in many cases. Aug 04 20:44:47 python is probably more productive for apps Aug 04 20:44:50 In some cases it works just fine. Aug 04 20:45:01 k Aug 04 20:45:05 i'd say you need longer to be a good C programmer than you need to be a good Python programmer Aug 04 20:45:05 More productive, often less fast. Aug 04 20:45:14 yes, the usual trade-off :) Aug 04 20:45:15 good starting point Aug 04 20:45:19 hehe Aug 04 20:45:53 I've dabbled in a lot of languages. and I'm always trying to figure out the -best- way to help communities like this. Aug 04 20:45:56 arrrgh... has anyone used this damn id3demux-gstreamer-plugin yet and could tell me how to get this into a pipeline? Aug 04 20:46:06 also with C u shud spend a bit of time learning tools like autoconf etc which will make your life a bit easier later Aug 04 20:46:41 go use SCons ;) Aug 04 20:46:49 Scons? Aug 04 20:47:09 more of a Make replacement, can't do what autotools/autoconf/libtool do Aug 04 20:47:11 or your favourite alternative yeh :) Aug 04 20:47:31 ah Aug 04 20:47:44 i am astonished by what libtool/automake/autoconf/auto... can do, but they *are* entirely unintelligible :) Aug 04 20:48:05 >.< Aug 04 20:48:29 the learning curve is a PITA Aug 04 20:48:34 Python it IS! Aug 04 20:48:46 besides I really love the TV show Aug 04 20:55:02 >.< there used to be a nice table of distros on the wiki but i cant find it anymore Aug 04 20:55:29 Flinx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Aug 04 20:55:38 (there is a link to it on the main page) Aug 04 20:55:40 thanks Aug 04 20:55:47 0.o Aug 04 20:55:59 -.- I didn't scroll down far enough Aug 04 20:56:08 np Aug 04 20:56:28 Flinx: now I know why they banned you out of #Debian :-p Aug 04 21:01:28 oh? Aug 04 21:01:44 too noob for them? ;) Aug 04 21:02:59 is the om-mediaplayer2 done in python? Aug 04 21:05:33 Tanuva: # hexdump -C /usr/bin/openmoko-mediaplayer| head -n1 Aug 04 21:05:34 00000000 7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |.ELF............| Aug 04 21:05:38 nice Aug 04 21:05:43 Tanuva: looks too elfish to me Aug 04 21:05:46 does om-mediaplayer2 run well in ASU? I considered installing it but didnt know if it would break the asu sound daemon or anything? Aug 04 21:05:52 Has anyone tried dual booting thier FR yet? Aug 04 21:06:01 yes, lots of people :p Aug 04 21:06:07 Pyrasi: what sound daemon does asu run? Aug 04 21:06:07 those running Debian mainly Aug 04 21:06:08 i have seen lots of people dual booting Aug 04 21:06:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9415f50fe88c 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [opk] Fix the image files that passed IPKG_ARGS Aug 04 21:06:36 lindi-: hm. Could have had that idea,too... >.< :D Aug 04 21:06:40 thats cool Aug 04 21:06:42 my company is going to run a nation-wide commerical. I'm not sure if I need to be embarassed or not. Aug 04 21:06:47 lindi: I'm not entirely sure that it is even running one...but i didnt want to install mediaplayer and find out....lol Aug 04 21:07:01 Pyrasi: it probably doesn't destroy anything Aug 04 21:07:23 Pyrasi: in the worst case it tries to activate your wlan Aug 04 21:08:06 ill give it a try when i get home i guess. Worst that could happen...i break my ASU build yet again and ill just wait till Friday when its actually released Aug 04 21:08:11 why are you ill? Aug 04 21:08:18 Pyrasi: ala http://xkcd.com/416/ Aug 04 21:08:43 lindi: haha..yea that one was pretty funny Aug 04 21:10:13 is there any clues to when SHR will start catching up to the other builds? Aug 04 21:12:13 i really like this one: http://xkcd.com/457/ Aug 04 21:12:33 I love XKCD Aug 04 21:13:04 yeah, so simple, yet so deep Aug 04 21:16:50 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r59c1dbecccf2 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from spliner to om-locations Aug 04 21:16:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r438f8efb2bc7 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add GTK applications into openmoko-asu-feed Aug 04 21:16:52 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3eea04e132a7 10/ (23 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-* Aug 04 21:16:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r374ace9cc9ed 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63 Aug 04 21:16:55 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5cc82ccbc3fe 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65 Aug 04 21:16:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd0778d859151 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure/setup-r62.diff: [exposure] The patch is not needed so remove it. Aug 04 21:17:01 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r03df71f91651 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580 Aug 04 21:17:02 spamtastic Aug 04 21:17:14 thats the spam of progress. Aug 04 21:17:18 troo. Aug 04 21:17:27 ohknows. Aug 04 21:17:31 ohnoes. Aug 04 21:17:41 Apple rumour mill again. Aug 04 21:17:48 iPhone nano. Aug 04 21:18:21 R101! Aug 04 21:18:22 Hehe, a friend said that he wanted an iPhone Shuffle ;) Aug 04 21:19:41 the one which randomly selects a friend to phone? Aug 04 21:20:04 no, that's WWTBAM Aug 04 21:20:12 what does the "Terminal=true" command do in the .desktop file? I can't see a difference when it is true or false Aug 04 21:20:14 almien: *giggles* That'll be it ;) Aug 04 21:21:52 anyone ever tried to run ArchLinux on a freerunner? How hard would that be to do? Aug 04 21:22:02 very Aug 04 21:22:06 you'd have to port it to ARM Aug 04 21:22:14 true Aug 04 21:22:31 stupid me Aug 04 21:23:27 wait/... spam of progress?/ 0.o Aug 04 21:23:47 what about NetBSD Aug 04 21:23:51 that runs on Everything Aug 04 21:25:09 leinir -> hey, perhaps configured via iTunes on a host PC, and only featuring voice dialing :) Aug 04 21:25:34 I think the ipodlinux guys were weenies for not trying a port to the Shuffle just because it's headless Aug 04 21:25:40 Zorkman: Terminal=true is suposed to run a command in a terminal Aug 04 21:26:04 Zorkman: does so in gnome at least. probably needs some config somewhere Aug 04 21:26:21 zash: there is no terminal that pops-up on the 2007.2 when i use that... Aug 04 21:26:54 Zorkman: then i would guess that some config is missing Aug 04 21:28:09 in gnome it is in gconf:/desktop/gnome/applications/terminal Aug 04 21:28:42 exec:"xterm", exec_arg:"-e" Aug 04 21:29:08 duno if there is gconf in 07.2 Aug 04 21:29:13 why are so maybe people leaving Aug 04 21:29:18 netsplit Aug 04 21:30:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r7b217f96c2ea 10/apps-fdo/Applications/qtopia-mediaplayer.desktop: [mediaplayer] Remove one category to show the app only once on the illume desktop Aug 04 21:32:14 strange Aug 04 21:35:15 arrr... isn't there an easier way of rendering the contents of a folder (clickably) than the gtk.TreeView widget? Aug 04 21:35:18 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r42d7cba6b89b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Julian's mediaplayer.desktop change Aug 04 21:35:18 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r40faf73d54d2 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure/setup-r62.diff: [exposure] The patch is not needed so remove it. Aug 04 21:35:30 where do i get the source/headers for the openmoko release? Aug 04 21:36:09 aggtrfrad: that's quite large questio i'm afraid :) Aug 04 21:36:34 y? Aug 04 21:36:50 aggtrfrad: well, i am trying to figure that out myself right now too Aug 04 21:43:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r05866adfe1e4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add python-gst to the feed. Aug 04 21:44:26 I just flashed FSO on my new openmoko, and it looks cool. But now I would like to get on the internet and use openmoko to install even more packages and get some OSM-maps. Is there an easy way to do this in FSO? As far as I can see there is no wifi. Aug 04 21:44:30 ~shr Aug 04 21:44:31 from memory, shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Aug 04 21:47:08 any idea when there will be a release of SHR? Aug 04 21:49:06 I asked the same thing Aug 04 21:49:19 cause the wiki shows very little info about whats happening wiht it. Aug 04 21:50:05 yeah Aug 04 21:50:23 so many tla's :/ Aug 04 21:50:42 Need like a twitter type interface for projects to post what's going on Aug 04 21:52:14 woah.. twitter is neat Aug 04 21:53:06 i have this process running: 0.5 7923 root mplayer -quiet http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/ but when i do "killall mplayer" it doesn't kill anything Aug 04 21:53:17 is there a way to get your FR's serial number from software? Aug 04 21:53:26 yes Aug 04 21:53:30 Zorkman: try with killall -9 mplayer ? Aug 04 21:53:31 i get killall: cannot kill pid 7908: No such process Aug 04 21:53:37 Zorkman: hah, you still have it running? ;) Aug 04 21:53:37 how depedns on which serial number Pjz. Aug 04 21:53:52 (or pkill) Aug 04 21:53:57 lindi-: yes, when i ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args i can see it Aug 04 21:54:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2a71691689f9 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko] Add python-gst to the feed. Aug 04 21:54:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc31f36f57e5b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, two ATD related changes for testing Aug 04 21:54:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r186d40a5117b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes Aug 04 21:54:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf2c8b0422b1e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling Aug 04 21:54:49 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rac58de59f882 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Julian's mediaplayer.desktop change Aug 04 21:54:50 killall -9 worked, thanks! Aug 04 21:55:03 what does that "-9" do? Aug 04 21:55:12 Zorkman: SIGKILL Aug 04 21:55:19 Zorkman: man kill for details Aug 04 21:55:33 Zorkman: it automatically sacrifices your first born child to satan Aug 04 21:56:01 better make it a twin then Aug 04 21:56:08 yeah Aug 04 21:56:35 or you end up with a zombie process Aug 04 21:56:42 and I stab the person who says "lol" to that Aug 04 21:57:13 are you saying I should avoid this command Chox? Aug 04 21:57:13 lol Aug 04 21:57:23 * Chox slaps wurp2 repeatedly. Aug 04 21:57:30 heh Aug 04 21:57:34 Zombies are fun Aug 04 21:57:36 * dtx preemptively stabs Chox. Aug 04 21:57:37 lol Aug 04 21:57:42 lol Aug 04 21:57:59 preemptive is the American way Aug 04 21:58:17 or so I hear Aug 04 21:58:37 Preemptive instant gratification Aug 04 21:59:08 yeah Aug 04 21:59:13 thats the way to be Aug 04 21:59:19 Windows 95 taught me that Aug 04 22:00:27 lol Aug 04 22:00:33 lolosers Aug 04 22:00:55 aplol? Aug 04 22:04:18 if my FR isn't waiting for me when I get home I'm going to be sad Aug 04 22:09:16 aight well I'm going to go home now Aug 04 22:09:18 cya :D Aug 04 22:13:29 linux headers for the official release for FR? Aug 04 22:14:18 or maybe theu are the same as at kernel.org, unmodified Aug 04 22:15:25 one question, does the freerunner support ap mode? Aug 04 22:15:48 so it may be able to create a wireless PAN? Aug 04 22:16:06 does not Aug 04 22:20:26 only if u connect a usb wireless stick or if atheros release the firmware someday so it can be edited Aug 04 22:21:28 http://www.fsf.org/news/ath9k ? Aug 04 22:23:01 nicfer, the fr has a6k, it's an embedded series Aug 04 22:23:11 the limitation is also in the firmware, not the driver Aug 04 22:24:21 maybe if the freerunner sells better than expected they will be willing to release the firmware? Aug 04 22:24:43 wishful thinking probably... Aug 04 22:26:24 highly likely Aug 04 22:26:26 what happened with the FR production anyway? Aug 04 22:32:53 did anyone ran into "../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_eh" ... while building glibc? apparently missing -Lbuild.x86_64-linux.arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc> Aug 04 22:33:06 but I am not sure what is the appropriate fix Aug 04 22:44:12 are there any media player apps in place of the default om2007.2 one? Aug 04 22:55:02 hi. does someone know how i get tangoGPS work with FSO ?? Aug 04 22:55:19 are there any addtional steps needed ? Aug 04 23:00:13 p0seid0n_: i just clicked on GPS at the home screen Aug 04 23:02:30 p0seid0n_: Should work ootb Aug 04 23:02:47 unless you have one of the broken frameworkd Aug 04 23:03:43 its confusing that fso milestone2 refers to release_notes3 Aug 04 23:03:57 for a second i thought milestone3 was out Aug 04 23:04:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8bc6729d73ba 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py ubx.py): ogpsd: Fix org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Time Aug 04 23:05:00 woot for an FSO commit :) Aug 04 23:05:34 hehe Aug 04 23:07:33 so, is there an alternative music player for om Aug 04 23:12:54 rooly: i hope so :) Aug 04 23:17:37 it is planned to release a freerunner v2 which fix some bugs like gps + microSD in hardware? Aug 04 23:17:57 no Aug 04 23:19:33 it there a list with known bugs? Aug 04 23:22:03 docs.openmoko.org Aug 04 23:22:42 the only hardware bugs are the sdCard/GPS problem, and the gps_antenna soldering problem, which is a very rare case Aug 04 23:22:43 blan: id bet the hardware guys already have a new rev of the board for the microsd+gps fix Aug 04 23:22:44 blan: I sure hope they don't bother for that little bug; I'd rather they spend the time on GTA03 Aug 04 23:23:07 GTA05. Aug 04 23:23:15 We need the solid hologramatic display. Aug 04 23:23:23 heh Aug 04 23:23:49 man people whine a lot Aug 04 23:24:08 so yeah Aug 04 23:24:13 anyone know how well vlc plays? Aug 04 23:24:18 on the FR Aug 04 23:24:37 I'd bet that that fix is integrated into production too Aug 04 23:24:37 hm GTA05 is like freerunner v2 isnt it? Aug 04 23:24:50 ECO's like that don't take a new board rev, you just make the change and keep building Aug 04 23:26:05 hrmph Aug 04 23:26:14 * rooly is gonna try and build vlc for the FR Aug 04 23:26:20 cause the included music player just sucks Aug 04 23:26:56 just apt-get install it Aug 04 23:27:47 I have NAND version U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (Apr 2 2008) and have been advised to update it before I flash to FSO, can anyone tell me where to find the updated version ? Aug 04 23:27:48 if it works well, consider trying to figure out how to build it without using help from debian build scripts Aug 04 23:28:38 cool -> Subject: Bug#493697: ITP: mobile-manager -- mobile manager GPRS/3G daemon Aug 04 23:29:46 lindi-, i'm using om2007.2 Aug 04 23:31:44 GirlRiver: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ Aug 04 23:32:03 more then likely its version uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 04 23:32:21 kd8ikt: thank you Aug 04 23:33:23 GirlRiver: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 04 23:34:18 you about to do some dual boot stuff? Aug 04 23:34:36 how to find the version of freerunner? Aug 04 23:34:49 libgsm-tool -m Aug 04 23:35:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision Aug 04 23:36:53 kd8ikt, shoudl I do the U-Boot flash from NAND or NOR Aug 04 23:37:05 kd8ikt, not dual booting yet ... Aug 04 23:37:06 Finally I found out why I was running out of disk space so easily... had an old copy of a mokomakefile build tree stashed somewhere in the same partition! Aug 04 23:37:35 cesarb: old and working? Aug 04 23:37:57 GirlRiver: it dont matter cause its loaded into ram Aug 04 23:38:16 kd8ikt, k, thanx Aug 04 23:38:40 GTA02BV5 Aug 04 23:38:41 * kd8ikt always boots NAND cause its latest Aug 04 23:38:44 SpeedEvil: nah, just old leftovers ;-) Aug 04 23:38:51 SpeedEvil: but I managed to get 2.6.26 almost working on GTA01 Aug 04 23:39:05 SpeedEvil: only SD is oopsing, see my mailing list posts Aug 04 23:39:10 :) Aug 04 23:39:11 but make sure your NOR works too there were a couple that shipped with corrupted nor Aug 04 23:39:22 SpeedEvil: that build tree had _2.6.22.5_ on it... :P Aug 04 23:39:33 and ya need a dboard to reflash that Aug 04 23:53:14 * kgoetz wtf. Aug 04 23:53:25 my -test upgrade worked, my upgrade fails with 404s :| Aug 04 23:53:33 yip that worked now going to flash FSO Aug 04 23:58:19 can anyone point me to the latest fso ? Aug 04 23:58:34 heh kgoetz Aug 04 23:58:39 sorry but thats funny Aug 04 23:59:29 kd8ikt: glad you think so :P Aug 05 00:00:45 * kgoetz grin. now i run with -test and the packages are reported missing. so they went from there to not-there in < 15 seconds Aug 05 00:04:01 i bet your girlfriend thinks your afraid of commitment Aug 05 00:04:10 :D Aug 05 00:06:03 :o Aug 05 00:06:16 girlfriend? whats that? :P Aug 05 00:06:24 kgoetz: boobs Aug 05 00:06:35 or, 3d porn Aug 05 00:06:35 zash: aaah. Aug 05 00:06:37 :D Aug 05 00:06:47 hehe Aug 05 00:07:28 they're like those dolls... but they are... WAAARM! ;) Aug 05 00:07:50 gaah, sorry - i really should go to bed ;) Aug 05 00:08:10 i just woke up like 2 hrs ago Aug 05 00:08:14 Mon Aug 4 20:08:22 EDT 2008 Aug 05 00:08:26 lil late in the day Aug 05 00:08:41 lol Aug 05 00:08:51 and trying to compile qtopia's snapshot is failing Aug 05 00:09:00 i woke up two hrs ago (ish), but right end of the day Aug 05 00:09:57 jeeze Aug 05 00:10:11 ok, i know that openmoko isn't designed to be a developement platform Aug 05 00:10:18 http://faggotyelves.ytmnd.com/ Aug 05 00:10:30 but still, why does automake have to be so faggoty and require so many libs Aug 05 00:14:59 can I just give a random report that with the FSO milestone2 I had a fix in tangogps in around 50 seconds in a moving vehicle Aug 05 00:20:31 anyone know where a latest qtopia precompiled image is? Aug 05 00:20:39 nt have to build it myself Aug 05 00:22:20 no usb0 device was provisioned for me when i plugged my OM in... is that perhaps because it's through a usb hub? Aug 05 00:23:46 can anyone point me to the latest FSO image ? can't locate it on the wiki Aug 05 00:26:45 (hopefully) quick question: how do I determine which uboot version matches my FR? Aug 05 00:28:53 (09:01:44) kd8ikt: GirlRiver: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080804/ Aug 05 00:28:54 (09:02:03) kd8ikt: more then likely its version uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin Aug 05 00:28:56 (09:05:12) kd8ikt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision Aug 05 00:29:02 retracile: ^^ those might help Aug 05 00:29:33 ugh no that isnt qtopia crap Aug 05 00:29:45 kgoetz: that last one is what I needed. Thanks! Aug 05 00:29:56 :) Aug 05 00:30:07 GirlRiver: Aug 05 00:30:40 alphaone has some latest fso builds http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ Aug 05 00:31:00 like http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080804194226-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 05 00:31:22 notice the "fso" part and the "gta02" part Aug 05 00:31:46 oh yea make sure you grab the jffs2.summary to flash Aug 05 00:32:13 its a modified jffs filesystem to speed up mounting Aug 05 00:32:48 or use the tarball if youre installing it to /mnt/card/ Aug 05 00:33:06 kd8ikt, thank you again. I guess I would flash it the same way as normal jffs ... correct ? Aug 05 00:33:13 yup Aug 05 00:33:21 unless you're dualbooting Aug 05 00:33:40 whats on it now? Aug 05 00:34:01 kd8ikt, not yet .. want one up and running first .. running Qtopia now Aug 05 00:34:10 but having no luck making calls Aug 05 00:34:28 noshit? i thought qtopia was great with phonecrap Aug 05 00:35:10 does it connect to your provider? Aug 05 00:35:19 maybe you need a new simcard or somethin Aug 05 00:35:37 kd8ikt, not so great for me .. it connects and shows network but calls disconnect immediately upon dialling Aug 05 00:35:50 nah .. sim worked well on 2007.2 Aug 05 00:35:58 thats odd Aug 05 00:36:02 very Aug 05 00:36:15 well i'm getting ready to compile a latest qtopia Aug 05 00:36:38 is that 4.4 ? Aug 05 00:36:39 Aug 05 00:36:55 qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080804 Aug 05 00:36:59 damnit Aug 05 00:37:06 what's the untar command? Aug 05 00:37:09 i always forget Aug 05 00:37:14 for what filetype Aug 05 00:37:18 tar.gz Aug 05 00:37:22 tar xzvf Aug 05 00:37:24 "v" Aug 05 00:37:34 er i mean "z" is the magic command there Aug 05 00:37:44 gz <-- Aug 05 00:37:50 hrm Aug 05 00:37:53 XorA|gone: could you bump SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko on org.openmoko.dev from d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7 to b42ea86dd85d5766607848283b0ad27adbb8743f? Andy forgot to commit a header file in the first commit and fixed it on the second one, and the kernel won't compile without it. Aug 05 00:37:55 i keep getting invalid tar magic Aug 05 00:38:14 rooly: file thatfile.tar.gz Aug 05 00:38:16 tar x(extract)v(verbose)z(gzip)f(force) Aug 05 00:38:29 kd8ikt: f = file Aug 05 00:38:37 kd8ikt: as in not stdin Aug 05 00:38:38 ugh i dont think so Aug 05 00:38:44 i'm still getting invalid tar magic Aug 05 00:38:55 tar -xvzf vlc.tar.gz Aug 05 00:39:02 -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F Aug 05 00:39:08 from man tar Aug 05 00:39:21 http://we.trekbeyond.org/manu.php?parameter=tar&mode=man Aug 05 00:39:22 rooly: run `file vlc.tar.gz`then Aug 05 00:39:43 kd8ikt: says file there too Aug 05 00:39:44 i'm trying to untar it on the phone Aug 05 00:39:46 ok you win this round zash Aug 05 00:39:54 :P Aug 05 00:39:58 cause it's an 80 meg upload at 16 kbps Aug 05 00:40:17 and "-sh: file: not found" Aug 05 00:40:24 bah Aug 05 00:40:33 kd8ikt: What? You're going to conceed the point? Nicely? Where am I? I thought I was on the internet! Aug 05 00:42:33 rooly: have you checked the filesize? a md5sum? (I'm wondering if maybe it got corrupted?) Aug 05 00:44:01 right Aug 05 00:44:08 trying the vlc.tar.bz2 now Aug 05 00:44:10 what's the cmd Aug 05 00:44:18 j instead of z Aug 05 00:44:26 kk Aug 05 00:44:37 you can also try bunzip2 vlc.tar.bz2 Aug 05 00:45:02 och gunzip on the .gz Aug 05 00:45:25 to not have to unpack it to the filesystem first: bunzip2 < vlc.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - Aug 05 00:46:29 you could probably do some netcat magic too Aug 05 00:46:43 I'd use ssh instead ;) Aug 05 00:47:02 sshfs! Aug 05 00:47:15 ... I think I came in 1/2 though what rooly's trying to do? Aug 05 00:47:23 1/2 way through Aug 05 00:47:31 i want to unpack it on the fs Aug 05 00:47:39 because it's an 80 meg upload uncompressed Aug 05 00:47:43 * rooly is gonna try and build vlc for the FR Aug 05 00:47:43 it's the VLC source Aug 05 00:48:08 Ah, ok. Aug 05 00:48:09 on the FR? Aug 05 00:48:12 [03:44] C++'s dick is bigger than C. Aug 05 00:48:13 yupyup Aug 05 00:48:14 ROFL Aug 05 00:48:16 lolz Aug 05 00:48:29 the FR is a great builder Aug 05 00:48:31 a little slow Aug 05 00:49:26 hopefully by next week it will finish compiling Aug 05 00:50:11 lol Aug 05 00:50:49 it only took 6 hours to compile that 3d engine Aug 05 00:51:01 woot! updated uboot! (9 may, i assumes thats the latest) Aug 05 00:51:07 in the meantime qtopias snapshot for today is already compiling on my machine Aug 05 00:51:39 * kd8ikt sets up the fans under his laptops CPU cause last time it nearly reached critical mass Aug 05 00:51:43 and another hour to run, right rooly? :) Aug 05 00:52:13 lol trix Aug 05 00:52:14 took me just under 24hrs to build fso last time Aug 05 00:52:21 nope Aug 05 00:52:27 it runs at ~8fps in software mode Aug 05 00:52:40 in the heavy-duty everything-but-shaders software mode Aug 05 00:52:59 whynot mplayer? Aug 05 00:53:10 ... Aug 05 00:53:15 cause vlc is more fun Aug 05 00:53:31 not really Aug 05 00:54:04 vlc has wizards Aug 05 00:54:31 oh, maybe it was just the video then, because it looked like a frame every few seconds Aug 05 00:55:06 it was the whole forwarding x to my desktop over ssh and a low-quality wifi connection Aug 05 00:55:24 so it looked good on your handset? Aug 05 00:55:45 pretty good Aug 05 00:55:48 6-8 fps Aug 05 00:55:51 estimated Aug 05 00:55:55 nice Aug 05 00:56:08 a little squished due to the pixel ratio Aug 05 00:56:16 the FR has square pixels Aug 05 00:57:09 oh noes! Aug 05 00:57:14 not square! Aug 05 00:58:18 its just something that needs to be compensated for Aug 05 00:58:45 also...i need to modify the app itself a bit Aug 05 00:58:56 i just used the most basic of the lib's commands Aug 05 01:00:57 * kgoetz stabs broken 'your batterys low' warning Aug 05 01:01:50 why the fsck is this thing not extracting!? Aug 05 01:02:05 how hard is it to get at least the kernel configuration file used to build the openmoko freerunner release? Aug 05 01:05:04 ahh hell Aug 05 01:05:08 i'll just do it the hard way Aug 05 01:09:10 kd8ikt, the link you gave me http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ ... are all these FSO or are they a mix ? Should I use the uimage-om-gta02-latest.bin ? Aug 05 01:18:06 thats a kernel Aug 05 01:19:49 and yes i think its just fso images and of course misc lowlevel/uboot/kernel images aswell all that really matters is the fso rootfs Aug 05 01:20:18 so you wont be stuck with just the 2nd milestone, those are recently built Aug 05 01:20:43 can always bother alphaone about it,its his stuff Aug 05 01:21:49 * kd8ikt runs away to cook a steak... bbl Aug 05 01:28:07 that took forever Aug 05 01:28:12 * rooly runs the configure Aug 05 01:35:19 rooly can i paste.bin an would u please tell me if anything u see is incorrect?:) Aug 05 01:35:34 well i guess Aug 05 01:35:41 thanks Aug 05 01:35:44 http://pastebin.com/d23bcd610 Aug 05 01:36:23 maybe the space between 13 15? Aug 05 01:36:46 that shouldn't affect anything in a shell script Aug 05 01:36:50 ok Aug 05 01:36:55 but eth1 looks funny Aug 05 01:37:09 remove? Aug 05 01:37:19 18? Aug 05 01:37:22 yeah Aug 05 01:37:27 this is for the fr, right? Aug 05 01:37:28 ok Aug 05 01:37:33 remove, i dunno Aug 05 01:38:10 yup Aug 05 01:38:30 last i checked, the FR only has eth0, l0 and usb0 Aug 05 01:38:33 well i did :/ Aug 05 01:38:39 ok Aug 05 01:38:40 so the eth1 is rather odd Aug 05 01:40:11 works? Aug 05 01:43:53 does configure have a cache command? Aug 05 01:45:46 rooly: IIRC, it does have a cache, though I don't remember there being a switch for it. Aug 05 01:47:29 well, is there a way for me to see all the switches? Aug 05 01:48:36 rooly: looking through the configure sources was the only way I found.... but one would _think_ there'd be a better way. Look for the configure.ac and/or configure.am, they might be more readable... Aug 05 01:50:08 right Aug 05 01:50:13 so...i'll run this thing ONE more time Aug 05 01:51:21 ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 Aug 05 01:51:21 ifdown: interface eth0 not configured Aug 05 01:51:21 wpa_supplicant: cannot read contents of /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Aug 05 01:51:21 run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with code 1 Aug 05 01:51:34 ooo nos Aug 05 01:52:00 http://pastebin.com/d61eb8a45 Aug 05 01:53:59 DCC SEND abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz Aug 05 01:54:03 heheh Aug 05 01:54:07 upgrade your irc Aug 05 01:54:36 bah Aug 05 01:55:00 jdavis_, flat, you guys need a newer IRC client Aug 05 01:55:03 irssi + screen + ssh + server somewhere Aug 05 02:05:33 Anyone want to see my model fokker? Aug 05 02:05:40 sure! Aug 05 02:05:48 http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3036/fokkersidera7.jpg Aug 05 02:05:58 http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3971/fokkerfront2hc1.jpg Aug 05 02:06:00 that's one big fokker! Aug 05 02:06:33 Yea. It's a tough fokker too. Aug 05 02:06:55 but will it run linux? Aug 05 02:07:10 or is it a pansy-ass mother fokker Aug 05 02:07:34 Well, it don't do Windows (= Aug 05 02:07:42 that's already a plus Aug 05 02:08:18 Not sure I'm gonna try to fly it when I'm finished, though. Aug 05 02:08:43 DAMNIT! Aug 05 02:09:41 The kit cost $40. I've put at least 60-80 hours into it. And my time is worth >$25 an hour. Aug 05 02:11:08 >$2000 worth of plane is a bit much to watch crash and break. Aug 05 02:12:00 but, if you load it up with explosives Aug 05 02:12:19 and fireworks Aug 05 02:13:06 lol nice johngay Aug 05 02:13:51 fokker's and meshersmits Aug 05 02:14:39 Yea, I don't want my fokker turning into a meshersmit (= Aug 05 02:14:48 meshersmidt? Aug 05 02:14:57 shmidt? Aug 05 02:15:04 dunno Aug 05 02:15:51 fokkers are cool cause it sounds like fucker Aug 05 02:16:29 so did you shoot down the fokker? Aug 05 02:16:38 no! it was a meshershmidt Aug 05 02:16:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt Aug 05 02:23:36 johngay: No offense intented, but the concept of attaching a monetary value to one's leisure time is a bit alienating to me... Aug 05 02:24:00 I thought you were doing it for fun Aug 05 02:25:02 I am. But it's still my time and it has a value. Aug 05 02:25:21 I fix computers for fun, but I charge for my time anyway. Aug 05 02:27:02 johngay: Of course, because in the eyes of those people, you're doing "work" Aug 05 02:27:26 anyone know where the dev builds of the ASU for august are located? Aug 05 02:30:29 guessing no.. Aug 05 02:33:02 Anybody have good local.conf for FSO? Aug 05 02:38:13 sigh Aug 05 02:38:48 /home/peter/freerunner/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 4360: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g77: command not found Aug 05 02:39:17 so's Aug 05 02:39:22 you've got no fortran compiler Aug 05 02:39:28 really :p Aug 05 02:39:36 opkg list | grep g77 Aug 05 02:39:45 if you find something Aug 05 02:39:46 then Aug 05 02:39:46 er, no. Aug 05 02:39:53 this is a _cross_ compiler Aug 05 02:40:00 this is the FSO build. Aug 05 02:40:15 why it's required for freetype, I dunno. Aug 05 02:40:23 oic Aug 05 02:43:30 is there git or subversion for asu? Aug 05 02:46:47 SirBob1701: If you want to build it use mokomake http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Aug 05 02:47:49 stevenSn: ok but what do you suggest for writing apps? Aug 05 02:49:30 * stevenSn hasn't yet written an app. Aug 05 02:49:37 oo Aug 05 02:49:39 but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain would be worth reading Aug 05 02:59:08 kd8ikt, who did you say might be able tohelp with an FSO issue ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 05 02:59:57 2008