**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 07 02:59:57 2008
Aug 07 03:00:07 <brian|lfs> the 20088 was pretty buggy so I'm downgrading my firmware to the latest stable
Aug 07 03:00:25 <brian|lfs> I didn't even see my wifi on 20088
Aug 07 03:03:12 <safiiru> Why do people put options into a 'release' I wonder if they do not function.  Like the wifi.
Aug 07 03:03:43 <safiiru> I have like 40 character wpa2 passphrase and I sat there and typed it in like 20 times before I decided the gui wifi probably doesn't work.
Aug 07 03:05:07 <safiiru> brian|lfs:  There is no such thing as stable.
Aug 07 03:05:45 <brian|lfs> lol
Aug 07 03:06:01 <safiiru> 2007.2 was probably the most stable I have used.
Aug 07 03:06:19 <safiiru> Other than power management issues.
Aug 07 03:07:47 <dingman> anyone tried the 20080807 ASU?
Aug 07 03:07:48 <brian|lfs> hey safiiru have you had any luck getting data to work on your sim card on openmoko
Aug 07 03:07:58 <brian|lfs> ya its got bugs still
Aug 07 03:08:10 <safiiru> Which sort of data?
Aug 07 03:08:17 * rooly just installed a terminal/icon for om2008
Aug 07 03:08:18 <brian|lfs> like internet and stuff
Aug 07 03:08:19 <safiiru> Contacts, or grps data?
Aug 07 03:08:20 <safiiru> oh
Aug 07 03:08:25 <safiiru> No I haven't tried that yet.
Aug 07 03:08:33 <brian|lfs> I haven't had any luck
Aug 07 03:08:39 <brian|lfs> the wiki confused the hell out of me
Aug 07 03:09:37 <dingman> brian|lfs, no perceptible change from 20080806?
Aug 07 03:09:43 <rooly> check the latest image at http://scap.linuxtogo.org
Aug 07 03:11:09 <safiiru> rooly: Which app is the WiFi icon for?
Aug 07 03:11:40 <rooly> its my own little script
Aug 07 03:11:44 <rooly> i can paste it for you if you lke
Aug 07 03:12:03 <safiiru> rooly: sure
Aug 07 03:12:13 <rooly> it handles wifi using the wpa_supplicant
Aug 07 03:12:22 <rooly> connects to any network available in the list
Aug 07 03:12:42 <rooly> considering adding a line to it to make it more general purpose
Aug 07 03:13:00 <safiiru> What did you write it in, /bin/sh?
Aug 07 03:13:39 <rooly> http://rafb.net/p/bb7eMz85.html
Aug 07 03:13:45 <rooly> yeah
Aug 07 03:13:52 * rooly configurates
Aug 07 03:14:00 <xhrit> ...
Aug 07 03:14:17 <xhrit> meh, i am having trouble with it myself...
Aug 07 03:14:21 <rooly> where
Aug 07 03:14:25 * rooly can help maybe
Aug 07 03:14:32 <xhrit> trying to set up usb networking at home...
Aug 07 03:14:41 <xhrit> I got it running at work earlier.
Aug 07 03:14:50 <rooly> this script might help:
Aug 07 03:14:54 <safiiru> I am still just using the init.d script from the wiki that calls wpa_supplicant, it works also.
Aug 07 03:15:14 <rooly> http://rafb.net/p/Q2GWaF97.html
Aug 07 03:15:23 <safiiru> Seems to add the gw address now properly in 2008.8
Aug 07 03:15:38 <rooly> ic
Aug 07 03:15:45 <rooly> safiiru, i might like to see that
Aug 07 03:15:54 <rooly> since mine doesn't do it correctly
Aug 07 03:16:11 <safiiru> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#A_very_ugly_.2Fetc.2Finit.d.2Fwlan_startscript
Aug 07 03:17:02 <safiiru> It's pretty much the same besides the route lines.
Aug 07 03:17:06 <xhrit> rooly, lol. i thought this was #irr
Aug 07 03:17:17 <rooly> haha
Aug 07 03:18:28 <xhrit> oh man...
Aug 07 03:18:35 <xhrit> Try this first. If it works, then you can... 
Aug 07 03:18:38 * rooly remembers his old conf
Aug 07 03:18:46 <xhrit> but if it doesnt work, you are on your own.
Aug 07 03:18:47 <xhrit> lol
Aug 07 03:20:02 <dougt> rooly: have you looked at compiling fennec?
Aug 07 03:20:39 <rooly> fennec? haven't heard of it
Aug 07 03:21:55 <dougt> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build#Linux
Aug 07 03:22:04 <dougt> rooly: happy to help you build for openmoko.
Aug 07 03:22:40 <rooly> i just saw it...hmm
Aug 07 03:22:47 <rooly> i need to see screenshots of it first...
Aug 07 03:23:18 <xhrit> what command was it that let you see teh usb devices at they ar eplugged in?
Aug 07 03:23:37 <rooly> dmesg?
Aug 07 03:23:52 <dougt> rooly: http://arstechnica.com/news.media/fennec.png
Aug 07 03:23:59 <dougt> that is on the n810
Aug 07 03:24:23 <dougt> rooly: is there a VMWare image open moko dev box?
Aug 07 03:24:23 <rooly> right...
Aug 07 03:24:38 <rooly> none that i know of
Aug 07 03:25:34 <dougt> rooly: are you guys still building everything in OE?
Aug 07 03:25:46 <rooly> i like to build on my phone
Aug 07 03:25:49 <rooly> more fun that way
Aug 07 03:25:53 <rooly> easier too
Aug 07 03:26:06 <dougt> you serious?
Aug 07 03:26:10 <rooly> i sure am
Aug 07 03:26:17 <rooly> make && make install
Aug 07 03:26:49 <dougt> getting rid of the "cross" part of compiling makes things easier, for surez.
Aug 07 03:27:29 * rooly has his camera available
Aug 07 03:27:38 <rooly> about time i made that video of the FR running 3d
Aug 07 03:28:46 <xhrit> ok, that works now.
Aug 07 03:28:55 <xhrit> where is opkg-utils?
Aug 07 03:29:04 <rooly> /usr/bin/opkg-utils
Aug 07 03:29:09 <rooly> last i checked
Aug 07 03:29:13 <xhrit> i installed a bunch ov packages to my card, but cant link them...
Aug 07 03:29:30 * rooly takes advantage of that whole 256 megs of space
Aug 07 03:30:27 <xhrit> heh.
Aug 07 03:30:32 <xhrit> I got a 4gb card.
Aug 07 03:30:55 <xhrit> and i dont want to wear down teh wright life on teh internal flash
Aug 07 03:31:13 <xhrit> omg, no opkg-utils!
Aug 07 03:32:32 <brian|lfs> will rwhitby I found out what half my prolbem was apperantly for the past 2 days I was trying to flash with a orrupt image lol
Aug 07 03:35:30 <xhrit> http://rafb.net/p/evbQBA77.html
Aug 07 03:36:41 <rooly> xhrit
Aug 07 03:36:44 <rooly> saw my vte icon?
Aug 07 03:36:52 <rooly> http://scap.linuxtogo.org
Aug 07 03:43:21 <ozzloy> i tried to change battery while powered up and connected by usb.  this worked before, but this time the fr died when i took out the battery
Aug 07 03:43:25 <xhrit> how can i tell what version is installed?
Aug 07 03:43:33 <rooly> version of what, xhrit 
Aug 07 03:43:57 <gargoyle_grin> Hey, all.  Anybody else having any issues like this: http://dpaste.com/69918/ ?
Aug 07 03:44:12 <xhrit> rooly, the system
Aug 07 03:44:33 <pjz> gargoyle_grin: yeah, your feeds are probably broken
Aug 07 03:44:51 <pjz> gargoyle_grin: that means it can't find what you're looking for in its feed database
Aug 07 03:44:53 <rooly> xhrit, try "Exposure"->"System Info"
Aug 07 03:45:29 <gargoyle_grin> Hmm.  That's odd.  opkg list does list libsdl and libsdl-image.
Aug 07 03:46:46 <gargoyle_grin> Hmm.  Well, thanks for your help.  That'll move me in the right direction.
Aug 07 03:46:54 <rwhitby> ozzloy: depends whether the usb host can supply over 500mA and whether the GSM happens to be transmitting (which requires a battery for the burst power)
Aug 07 03:47:58 <ozzloy> rwhitby: gsm shouldn't be doing anything.  i'll try with usb wall charger
Aug 07 03:48:36 <rwhitby> there is also a recent bug where the usb negotiation unexpectedly fails to keep 500mA negotiated.
Aug 07 03:48:40 <safiiru> Any docs on what urls to change all the opkg confs to?
Aug 07 03:49:04 <rwhitby> with wall charger it should always work when gsm is not transmitting
Aug 07 03:49:05 <ozzloy> rwhitby: actually i can't connect over usb
Aug 07 03:49:10 <rwhitby> (the openmoko wall charger that is)
Aug 07 03:49:21 <ozzloy> rwhitby: it's not showing up as a device
Aug 07 03:49:32 <rwhitby> ozzloy: if you can't connect over usb, then it's probably not negotiating more than 100mA which won't power it
Aug 07 03:49:55 <ozzloy> rwhitby: but i definitely connected over ssh before
Aug 07 03:50:01 <ozzloy> on this computer
Aug 07 03:50:19 <rwhitby> ozzloy: is this after a recent kernel upgrade?
Aug 07 03:50:32 <rwhitby> if so, then see the mailing list about gadget modules
Aug 07 03:50:43 <rwhitby> if not, then you've hit the recent unresolved bug I mentioned
Aug 07 03:51:34 <ozzloy> this is after a recent kernel upgrade
Aug 07 03:51:37 <safiiru> If I just change all the repo confs to their respective http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/* urls, will that fix 'Installer'?
Aug 07 03:51:47 <rwhitby> ozzloy: between 3 and 5 days ago?
Aug 07 03:51:56 <ozzloy> rwhitby: yeah
Aug 07 03:52:07 <rwhitby> get the latest daily kernel and rootfs and flash them
Aug 07 03:52:10 <ozzloy> rwhitby: i'll upgrade the kernel ... oh wait
Aug 07 03:52:35 <ozzloy> yeah, how do i do that?
Aug 07 03:52:50 <rwhitby> there was a major screw up in the kernel packaging which meant that it upgraded the kernel without requiring the usb gadget modules.
Aug 07 03:53:03 <rwhitby> ozzloy: you haven't flashed an image yet?
Aug 07 03:53:25 <ozzloy> i have, but how can i do that if usb doesn't connect?
Aug 07 03:53:33 <ozzloy> i've been doing it on usb
Aug 07 03:53:43 <rwhitby> usb ethernet doesn't have to connect for dfu-util
Aug 07 03:54:11 <rwhitby> (it uses a more basic raw protocol)
Aug 07 03:54:17 <rooly> ok
Aug 07 03:54:19 <rooly> rebooting my FR
Aug 07 03:54:21 <ozzloy> maybe i was mistaken, but i don't remember dmesg showing _anything_
Aug 07 03:54:24 <rooly> so's i can see this in action
Aug 07 03:54:40 <rooly> dmesg?
Aug 07 03:54:48 <rooly> shows the list of all device messages
Aug 07 03:55:03 <rwhitby> ozzloy: unplug, replug, boot FR into nand or nor uboot mode.  you should see it in dmesg
Aug 07 03:55:18 * ozzloy crosses fingers
Aug 07 03:55:29 <rwhitby> if you don't then the problem is on your host
Aug 07 03:55:54 <ozzloy> hope so
Aug 07 03:56:26 <ozzloy> i have another computer handy, but my desk needs cleaning before i can break it out
Aug 07 03:57:42 <Zeroth__> Hello all. Just wondering about the sms app, if I may ask some questions about it?
Aug 07 03:58:18 <rwhitby> Zeroth__: first thing would be to specify which of the 5 different distributions you are using
Aug 07 03:58:28 <Zeroth__> default 2007.2
Aug 07 03:58:56 <Zeroth__> I'm trying to figure out if I am actually sending text messages.
Aug 07 03:59:23 <safiiru> Send yourself one.
Aug 07 03:59:36 <Zeroth__> ... great idea!
Aug 07 03:59:52 <safiiru> Heh, thought of that already?
Aug 07 04:00:37 <Zeroth__> no
Aug 07 04:00:50 <rooly> note to self
Aug 07 04:00:59 <rooly> never EVER remove illume-theme-freesmartphone
Aug 07 04:01:11 <rooly> and don't install illume-theme
Aug 07 04:01:30 <Zeroth__> lol
Aug 07 04:01:33 <Zeroth__> good to know
Aug 07 04:02:04 <Zeroth__> I really can't wait for friday's update. Thanks for the answers guys.
Aug 07 04:03:17 <brian|lfs> interesting I didn't know there is a red light on the openmoko
Aug 07 04:03:25 <brian|lfs> its liight up on mine
Aug 07 04:03:45 <xhrit> ...
Aug 07 04:03:46 <xhrit> http://rafb.net/p/vZIB5F51.html
Aug 07 04:03:57 <safiiru> brian|lfs: Mine was red yesterday, but it is not red today.
Aug 07 04:04:14 <rooly> did you ifdown it first, xhrit ?
Aug 07 04:04:45 <safiiru> brian|lfs:  I must mean something, but I don't know what.
Aug 07 04:04:53 <safiiru> s/I/It/
Aug 07 04:04:54 <apt> safiiru meant: brian|lfs:  It must mean something, but I don't know what.
Aug 07 04:04:57 <brian|lfs> apperantly it just means its chargign or plugged into the usb port
Aug 07 04:05:17 <brian|lfs> becuase when you unplug it goes off
Aug 07 04:05:49 <safiiru> Ok, it must just mean it is presently charging then.  It must turn off when the battery is full.
Aug 07 04:06:12 <safiiru> Mine is plugged into usb right now but it is off, probably beacuse it's full.
Aug 07 04:07:58 <xhrit> rooly: yeah, i tried dropping it first
Aug 07 04:08:17 * RayDar wonders how to compile qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080807.tar.gz (for his GTA01)
Aug 07 04:08:43 <xhrit> heh, trying it now give me this : 
Aug 07 04:08:48 <xhrit> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
Aug 07 04:09:09 <xhrit> but ifconfig clearly shows it as being up.
Aug 07 04:09:23 <brian|lfs> hmm wifi still don't work on 20088
Aug 07 04:09:44 <brian|lfs> its closer to working then on the previous rootfs image
Aug 07 04:10:23 <safiiru> You can get 2008.8 on your wifi pretty easily, but the GUI setup doesn't seem to work.
Aug 07 04:10:54 <safiiru> brian|lfs: You'll have to be ssh'd to it over usb or in a terminal to do it.
Aug 07 04:11:35 <brian|lfs> I can't ssh on this rootfs build
Aug 07 04:11:35 <ozzloy> rwhitby: flashing works.  flashing rootfs right now, kernel next
Aug 07 04:11:39 <brian|lfs> the last one let me lol
Aug 07 04:11:47 <rooly> can someone copy off their illume-theme-freesmartphone package for me?
Aug 07 04:11:50 <brian|lfs> they broke it on thsi build
Aug 07 04:12:17 <safiiru> brian|lfs:  If you go set up wifi the same way as you did in 2007.2 it should work.
Aug 07 04:13:35 <brian|lfs> if I could ssh into my openmoko lol
Aug 07 04:13:55 <safiiru> Can you do it via usb?
Aug 07 04:14:09 <rooly> do what?
Aug 07 04:14:12 <safiiru> I had to ssh over usb and set up my wifi first.
Aug 07 04:14:28 <safiiru> rooly: do IT!
Aug 07 04:14:32 <safiiru> :)
Aug 07 04:14:37 <rooly> ic, hmm, dunno
Aug 07 04:14:48 <rooly> but i sure do need that illume-theme-freesmartphone package
Aug 07 04:14:58 <xhrit> heheh
Aug 07 04:15:19 <brian|lfs> Ic an't by usb thats what I'm saying
Aug 07 04:15:27 <brian|lfs> they broke somthing on this rootfs version
Aug 07 04:15:37 <rooly> xhrit, mind trying?
Aug 07 04:15:41 * rooly is almost desparate
Aug 07 04:20:37 <MadTBone> is there a build of tangogps that takes advantage of FSO?
Aug 07 04:23:18 <rwhitby> MadTBone: fso milestone 2 has tangogps-fso included
Aug 07 04:23:31 <rwhitby> (as do recent fso builds from OE)
Aug 07 04:23:59 <MadTBone> rwhitby: really....I didn't realize that!  thanks
Aug 07 04:25:03 <rwhitby> MadTBone: you can get daily FSO images from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D
Aug 07 04:25:13 <rwhitby> alphaone does them
Aug 07 04:25:27 <rwhitby> (only for gta02 though)
Aug 07 04:27:35 <MadTBone> rwhitby: thanks!  is there a changelog to be found anywhere?
Aug 07 04:28:29 <rwhitby> http://cia.vc/stats/project/freesmartphone.org
Aug 07 04:29:26 <rwhitby> there may or may not be a delay from changes in the git repo to being included in the daily images
Aug 07 04:30:09 <kd8ikt> hey i read in the kismet manual something about support for newer atheros cards use source "darwin"  liek source=darwin,eth0,neo
Aug 07 04:30:34 <MadTBone> rwhitby: excellent.  thanks for the info
Aug 07 04:30:37 <kd8ikt> that would sure rock if it magicly worked
Aug 07 04:30:40 <safiiru> kd8ikt:  I remember reading that, but i think it was talking about the airport extreams
Aug 07 04:30:57 <kd8ikt> +newer atheros 
Aug 07 04:31:14 <kd8ikt> then again i was playing with /trunk
Aug 07 04:33:12 <safiiru> I think it is certain atheros ones that are actually able to do arbirary 802.11 packet construction.
Aug 07 04:33:25 <xhrit> rooly?
Aug 07 04:33:29 <xhrit> what do you neeD?
Aug 07 04:35:06 <rooly> i need to aquire the illume-theme-freesmartphone package
Aug 07 04:37:32 <peepsalot> anyone here dissasembled their freerunner?
Aug 07 04:39:27 <peepsalot> looks like some plastic has been mangled on mine, near the speaker contacts.  I don't think i did that during disassembly,  Was wondering if this was something done at factory
Aug 07 04:39:41 <peepsalot> like some of the white plastic has been cut away
Aug 07 04:43:47 <ozzloy> hey http://pastebin.com/d1f8bbf35 this is on the 2008.08.07 rootfs
Aug 07 04:43:59 <ozzloy> is the ip different now?
Aug 07 04:46:12 <safiiru> nope
Aug 07 04:46:29 <ozzloy> rwhitby: thanks for the heads up about the kernel
Aug 07 04:46:31 <safiiru> type route, it may not know which interface to route 192.168.0.0 through
Aug 07 04:47:12 <rwhitby> MadTBone, ozzloy: no worries.
Aug 07 04:47:16 <rooly> found it
Aug 07 04:47:17 <rooly> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/illume-theme-freesmartphone-0.0+gitr5cdedae0e45911ef10f6966587e7f3e842b5d2bd-r0/staging-pkg/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/
Aug 07 04:47:21 <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/d7149a0cc safiiru 
Aug 07 04:48:36 <GirlRiver> does qtopia support calls via bluetooth or is Bluetooth only for file transfer ? 
Aug 07 04:49:27 <ozzloy> GirlRiver: is your name from firefly?
Aug 07 04:49:43 <rooly> FREAKIN hell
Aug 07 04:49:53 * rooly searched for an hour for that
Aug 07 04:49:58 <safiiru> ozzloy:  Looks correct, can you ping 192.168.0.202?
Aug 07 04:49:59 <rooly> i have no idea where i found this link tho
Aug 07 04:50:58 <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/d31039bfc nope
Aug 07 04:51:04 <safiiru> ozzloy;  I suppose not, with the no route to host from before.. hmm.
Aug 07 04:51:16 <ozzloy> idk, lol T_T
Aug 07 04:52:08 <rooly> got it
Aug 07 04:52:17 <GirlRiver> ozzloy, as in the sci fi ? No .. 
Aug 07 04:53:08 * rooly has video of the FR running 3d
Aug 07 04:53:24 <safiiru> rooly: url?
Aug 07 04:53:42 <rooly> wait
Aug 07 04:53:48 <rooly> i'm getting it off my camera
Aug 07 04:53:49 <ozzloy> rooly: ooOOooh
Aug 07 04:54:16 <ozzloy> GirlRiver: yeah, the sci-fi
Aug 07 04:56:42 <GirlRiver> ozzloy, : no link to River Tam ot Firefly ... do you know if bluetooth headset is supported in in Qtopia ?
Aug 07 04:59:13 <dingman> GirlRiver: Don't know what it's supposed to do, but when I tried to pair QTopia with my Camry's handsfree system, it hung the phone.
Aug 07 05:01:41 <theocrite> 'nmatin
Aug 07 05:03:51 <ozzloy> GirlRiver: no i don't know.  though i am interested because i'd like to do that
Aug 07 05:05:52 <GirlRiver> does anyone know if OM has a working alsa state file for bluetooth audio 
Aug 07 05:05:56 <ozzloy> how do i get terminal on the 2008.08.07 image?
Aug 07 05:06:14 <Infinyte> Woohoo
Aug 07 05:06:19 <Infinyte> How's 2008.8?
Aug 07 05:06:24 <Infinyte> Is it AWESOME?
Aug 07 05:06:56 <rwhitby> on my gta01, there is an ugly black bar horizontally across the middle of the screen
Aug 07 05:07:06 <rwhitby> apart from that, 2008.08 looks ok
Aug 07 05:07:18 <Infinyte> o_O
Aug 07 05:07:20 <Infinyte> Interesting
Aug 07 05:07:31 <safiiru> I'm beginning to think it's better now.
Aug 07 05:07:33 <Infinyte> Is the one they have up for download the actual 2008.8 release?
Aug 07 05:07:47 <Infinyte> Or will that be on the 8th?
Aug 07 05:08:33 <rwhitby> Infinyte: current is just the daily, not the final release
Aug 07 05:08:43 <rwhitby> they have 2 days to fix stuff still, so they will use them.
Aug 07 05:08:48 <Infinyte> That's what I figured.
Aug 07 05:08:54 <Infinyte> Kay I'll wait
Aug 07 05:08:58 <Infinyte> I think I'm gonna try the FSO
Aug 07 05:08:59 <Infinyte> :o
Aug 07 05:09:38 <GirlRiver> dingman, yep .. paired it with the Jawbone and it locked the phone up 
Aug 07 05:10:03 <rwhitby> app startup sure is slow though
Aug 07 05:13:52 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: hi my mokomake doesn't work :( --- this is on ubuntu hardy with the security thing set to be 0 / other thing set ... it gets an error to do with making linux-open... kernel
Aug 07 05:14:18 <rwhitby> dbmoodb: missing *_gps.h file?
Aug 07 05:15:01 <rwhitby> neo1973_pm_gps.h in particular?
Aug 07 05:15:10 <rwhitby> is that the error?
Aug 07 05:15:41 <Torikun1> Hello
Aug 07 05:15:49 <dbmoodb_> ah rwhitby let me reboot and then check.
Aug 07 05:15:51 <Torikun1> Any qtopia users here
Aug 07 05:15:55 <dbmoodb_> its for 2007.2 
Aug 07 05:16:01 <Infinyte> I am-ish.
Aug 07 05:16:05 <Infinyte> Watcha need Tori?
Aug 07 05:16:21 <Torikun1> updating opkg upgraed messes up my install
Aug 07 05:16:26 <Torikun1> the gui will not boot 
Aug 07 05:16:47 <ljp> Torikun1: me
Aug 07 05:17:02 <Torikun1> What ljp?
Aug 07 05:17:16 <ljp> < Torikun1> Any qtopia users here
Aug 07 05:17:29 <Torikun1> ljp: How can I update without breaking my sys
Aug 07 05:17:54 <ljp> you mean opkg update?
Aug 07 05:18:00 <ljp> er upgrade
Aug 07 05:18:02 <Torikun1> Yes
Aug 07 05:18:11 <ljp> hmmm.. havent looked into that
Aug 07 05:18:23 <ljp> why do you need to update the system?
Aug 07 05:18:30 <Torikun1> sstay up2date
Aug 07 05:18:31 <Torikun1> lol
Aug 07 05:18:42 <Torikun1> Is it possible to get wifi working
Aug 07 05:18:52 <Torikun1> I noticed that the eth0 is listed in ifconfig
Aug 07 05:19:03 <ljp> yes. I should have it worked out in the next updated image
Aug 07 05:19:32 <kd8ikt> turning off wifi at boot?
Aug 07 05:19:47 <Torikun1> When will that be ljp? Will it have a gui?
Aug 07 05:20:13 <Torikun1> qtopia is the best OS for the Free Runner at this time,  like it
Aug 07 05:20:20 <brian|lfs> I'm confused
Aug 07 05:20:25 <Infinyte> I agree, for the moment.
Aug 07 05:20:30 <rwhitby> Torikun1 knows how to butter ljp up :-)
Aug 07 05:20:33 <Infinyte> But, I wish they'd release version 4.4
Aug 07 05:20:40 <Infinyte> I wants the browser. :<
Aug 07 05:20:46 <brian|lfs> I either get roofs that don't downlaod to my openmoko or I get oens that download that I can't even ssh into with a usb cable
Aug 07 05:21:37 <brian|lfs> I have to say either my openmoko has bad memory or my comptuers hard drive is deing or the openmoko ftp is shitting the bed 
Aug 07 05:21:42 <brian|lfs> and givng me bad images
Aug 07 05:22:01 <ljp> Torikun1: qtopia already has a gui for internet settings
Aug 07 05:22:22 <brian|lfs> ya but it don't work at the moement
Aug 07 05:22:29 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: paste filename and md5sum and I can check it for you
Aug 07 05:22:37 <Torikun1> wifi ?
Aug 07 05:22:44 <brian|lfs> how would I md5 sumb in windows
Aug 07 05:22:57 <kd8ikt> md5sum.exe
Aug 07 05:23:09 <brian|lfs> ok
Aug 07 05:23:44 <brian|lfs> thanks found it in two seconds
Aug 07 05:24:15 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: you realise that using windows to do all this means you're likely to run into stuff that most other people haven't seen?
Aug 07 05:24:38 <Infinyte> What's windows?
Aug 07 05:24:49 <rwhitby> as long as you're prepared for that, it's fine.  but if you want a stress-free life I'd consider using a linux box to connect freerunner up to ...
Aug 07 05:25:06 <brian|lfs> b63c77cfcc4fbec62ec7e4a9fc955bee *openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta0
Aug 07 05:25:06 <brian|lfs> 1.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 07 05:25:18 <brian|lfs> you think so the file for linux is identical
Aug 07 05:25:26 <brian|lfs> even the linux file runs in windows
Aug 07 05:25:41 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: that's about the timeframe that the usb modules were broken, isn't it?
Aug 07 05:25:50 <Torikun1> wireless says not conneccted
Aug 07 05:26:13 <brian|lfs> not sure I've only had  my openmoko a few days
Aug 07 05:26:46 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: URL for that file please?
Aug 07 05:26:56 <brian|lfs> hold a sec
Aug 07 05:27:11 <brian|lfs> http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 07 05:27:26 <Torikun1> ooks like qtopia is not picking uo the qtopia network card, when doing a scan, says not connected
Aug 07 05:27:30 <Infinyte> Erm.
Aug 07 05:27:34 <Infinyte> Brian.
Aug 07 05:27:43 <Infinyte> Do you have the Neo Freerunner or the Neo 1973?
Aug 07 05:27:43 <brian|lfs> ya
Aug 07 05:27:51 * rwhitby just noticed that too
Aug 07 05:27:52 <brian|lfs> I have the freerunner
Aug 07 05:27:55 <marlinnhag_> Ontop of my battery bar in FSO it say "b G2 w s" the "G2" part switches back and forth between G1 and G2 what does that mean?
Aug 07 05:27:59 <rwhitby> you want a gta02 image then
Aug 07 05:28:14 <Infinyte> Erm.. You need the one that has gta02 at the end there, not gta01.
Aug 07 05:28:27 <rwhitby> marlinnhag_: two programs subscribed to GSM messages on dbus
Aug 07 05:28:28 <brian|lfs> oh
Aug 07 05:28:33 <brian|lfs> learn something new everyday
Aug 07 05:28:42 <Infinyte> Heh
Aug 07 05:28:48 <brian|lfs> why is gta the mouldes only for hte neto1973
Aug 07 05:29:06 <rwhitby> use the .summary file
Aug 07 05:29:14 <Infinyte> gta01 ones are for the Neo1973, gta02 is for the Freerunner
Aug 07 05:29:14 <brian|lfs> ok
Aug 07 05:29:23 <ljp> Torikun1: th elatest image I made wifi was a bit borked
Aug 07 05:29:25 <ozzloy> hey rooly, can you ping me when you paste the link to the 3d vid?
Aug 07 05:29:57 <brian|lfs> I'm just trying to get a iamge back on my neo that wifi and ssh work in
Aug 07 05:30:02 <brian|lfs> qtopia they didn't
Aug 07 05:30:03 <marlinnhag_> Has anyone had success, having FSO reliably register to the AT&T network mine seems to come and go randomly..
Aug 07 05:30:36 <safiiru> Why is there a neo1973 repo on the fr?  Is it ok that opkg upgrade is installing packages (kernel modules etc.) from this repo?
Aug 07 05:31:50 <rwhitby> safiiru: as long as there is no om-gta01 repo you're fine
Aug 07 05:31:55 <brian|lfs> ok gta2 file is loading
Aug 07 05:32:05 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d44750845
Aug 07 05:32:14 <safiiru> rwhitby: ok
Aug 07 05:32:19 <brian|lfs> I didn't need to rename the extensiona t the end did I?
Aug 07 05:32:20 <safiiru> rwhitby: thanks
Aug 07 05:32:26 <rwhitby> the neo1973 one is an old name and has stuff that works for both I think
Aug 07 05:32:38 <safiiru> Oh I see.
Aug 07 05:32:48 <safiiru> I thought gta01 was the 1973.
Aug 07 05:32:52 <rwhitby> it is
Aug 07 05:32:55 <Infinyte> It is.
Aug 07 05:32:55 <brian|lfs> did the md5 match mien rwhitby 
Aug 07 05:33:19 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: I didn't check since it was gta01
Aug 07 05:33:32 <brian|lfs> ohok noprob
Aug 07 05:33:39 <dbmoodb_> and rwhitby  http://pastebin.com/d1817b161 --- for the full thing
Aug 07 05:33:49 <brian|lfs> makes sense now that I know gta01 don't work
Aug 07 05:34:03 <brian|lfs> now that I think about it the only images that downlaoded where gta02
Aug 07 05:34:23 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: yep - XorA|gone was supposed to fix that.  Ping him regularly about it until he does ;-)
Aug 07 05:34:36 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: i want to build an app
Aug 07 05:34:39 <dbmoodb_> and i can't
Aug 07 05:34:58 <rwhitby> which app?
Aug 07 05:35:17 <dbmoodb_> linphone or some other sip / voip client for 2007.2 (i know 2008.8 is now "out")
Aug 07 05:35:18 <rwhitby> you may have built enough already to build an app
Aug 07 05:35:26 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: didn't work
Aug 07 05:35:30 <brian|lfs> wtf it bombed out a gta2 image
Aug 07 05:36:04 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: can't help you then, unless you want to get deep into OpenEmbedded bitbake recipes and monotone ...
Aug 07 05:36:43 <brian|lfs> can you md5sum the gta2 you told me to use
Aug 07 05:37:12 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: URL?
Aug 07 05:37:34 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: well... is it that i didn't go make openmoko toolchain ?
Aug 07 05:37:36 <brian|lfs> http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary
Aug 07 05:37:40 <Infinyte> Anyone know when Qtopia is releasing version 4.4?
Aug 07 05:38:17 <GirlRiver> is anyone running tangogps on Qtopia ?
Aug 07 05:38:23 <brian|lfs> I get 09db3e4dcf205b33bd6269699ea1e133 for that file
Aug 07 05:38:50 <Torikun1> I take it qtopia does not scan for ifi networkats as of right now ?
Aug 07 05:39:05 <ljp> Infinyte: a few weeks. 4.3.3 will be sooner than that
Aug 07 05:39:16 <ljp> Torikun1: it can yes
Aug 07 05:39:29 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: Torikun1 wifi works ?
Aug 07 05:39:33 <Infinyte> I'm not sure about GUI-wise, but you can do it manually via the Terminal by doing this: iwconfig eth0 essid TheRouterWifi ; udhcpc eth0
Aug 07 05:40:03 <Infinyte> But 4.3.3 won't have the browser will it? :<
Aug 07 05:40:40 <Infinyte> Oh. >_> Substitute TheRouterWifi for your SSID.
Aug 07 05:40:53 <dbmoodb_> XorA|gone: you have been pinged. fix the damn problem
Aug 07 05:41:10 <brian|lfs> slow internet huh rwhitby 
Aug 07 05:41:26 <Torikun1> how
Aug 07 05:41:40 <rwhitby> brian|lfs: you're not my highest priority
Aug 07 05:41:48 <brian|lfs> oh lol
Aug 07 05:41:49 <rwhitby> sorry to burst the bubble ;-)
Aug 07 05:41:52 <Infinyte> Oo burn.
Aug 07 05:41:53 <brian|lfs> its all good dude
Aug 07 05:42:03 <Torikun1> Is qtopia released monthly weekly ?
Aug 07 05:42:16 <brian|lfs> horuly right now lol
Aug 07 05:42:24 <Torikun1> lol
Aug 07 05:42:35 <rwhitby> 09db3e4dcf205b33bd6269699ea1e133  openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary
Aug 07 05:42:54 <Infinyte> Whoohoo, they match. Big surprise. :D
Aug 07 05:43:10 <brian|lfs> looks identical thanks
Aug 07 05:43:11 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: XorA|gone responds better to polite requests ...
Aug 07 05:43:27 <Infinyte> Or force powers.
Aug 07 05:44:08 <dbmoodb_> wait... rwhitby :) sorry XorA|gone please fix the damn problem ?
Aug 07 05:44:12 * dbmoodb_ just kidding
Aug 07 05:44:29 <dbmoodb_> XorA|gone: please fix the problem so we can make stuff nicely using rwhitby 's cool tool
Aug 07 05:45:01 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: perhaps i need to edit the makefile --- and alter all references of /openmoko to /openembedded ?
Aug 07 05:45:37 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: once XorA|gone commits the revision which adds back that file that Andy forgot to commit, then MokoMakefile should work fine.
Aug 07 05:46:06 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: oh where is the file ... can i download it ?
Aug 07 05:46:40 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: I believe it's in git somewhere, and I think someone just needs to bump some version somewhere so it will be found
Aug 07 05:46:59 <rwhitby> quite a specific answer, I know ...
Aug 07 05:47:42 <dbmoodb_> oh ok .... so... what it is called .... / where exactly should i look for it because i'm been frustrated at using your nice app and hitting this silly bug (seems to be a small issue)
Aug 07 05:47:44 * rwhitby has only been building fso from OE using nslu2-linux master makefile while waiting for XorA|gone to fix openmoko .dev repo
Aug 07 05:48:10 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: I pasted the filename above I think
Aug 07 05:48:18 <dbmoodb_> oh....
Aug 07 05:48:22 <rwhitby> some gps header file
Aug 07 05:48:59 <rwhitby> I expect git.openmoko.org has it somewhere in the kernel repo
Aug 07 05:49:29 <safiiru> It is too bad that the x server is not double buffered so everything doesn't tear apart when it animates.
Aug 07 05:49:34 <dbmoodb_> ah can't find the filename...
Aug 07 05:49:50 <rwhitby> it's in your pastebin too
Aug 07 05:49:51 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: you can't post it somewhere ? easy to access so it can be linked from the wiki ...
Aug 07 05:49:57 <dbmoodb_> oh its that file ?
Aug 07 05:50:05 <rwhitby> arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c:88:44: error: ../plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h: No such file or directory
Aug 07 05:50:28 <dbmoodb_> yeah... ok so i should try git ?
Aug 07 05:50:37 <dingman> safiiru, I'll take tearing animations if I can have the UI bits of 2008.8 stop disappearing when I try to use them :)
Aug 07 05:50:49 <safiiru> Heh
Aug 07 05:51:02 <dingman> Speaking of, does anyone have anything constructive a sysadmin-type could do to help nail that issue down?
Aug 07 05:52:53 <lindi-> dingman: i'm still trying to figure out how to build all this stuff :)
Aug 07 05:52:53 <marlinnhag_> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here OR why it is telling me this???
Aug 07 05:52:55 <marlinnhag_> marlinnhag@marlinnhag-desktop:~$ ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uimage_2008_07_16_gta02_73eeb0333fc771cb696ff9bf17c517c741434b59.bin
Aug 07 05:52:55 <marlinnhag_> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
Aug 07 05:52:55 <marlinnhag_> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Aug 07 05:52:55 <marlinnhag_> Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
Aug 07 05:52:55 <marlinnhag_> Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Aug 07 05:52:57 <marlinnhag_> Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: Operation not permitted
Aug 07 05:53:10 <kd8ikt> dont ever paste like that again
Aug 07 05:53:19 <kd8ikt> and next time make suyre youre root
Aug 07 05:53:38 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: are you an aussie?
Aug 07 05:54:06 <dbmoodb_> yep
Aug 07 05:54:23 <rwhitby> for a fellow aussie, I'll give you an URL
Aug 07 05:54:24 <rwhitby> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h;h=42d385ae1112947de3c4d88c65b82ac17fd96b47;hb=stable
Aug 07 05:54:31 <dbmoodb_> i think i found it already tho rofl
Aug 07 05:54:32 <kd8ikt> shell should look like root@marlinnhag-desktop:~$    or use sudo 
Aug 07 05:54:44 <dbmoodb_> yeah i had sorry -- already found it via the magic of google
Aug 07 05:54:50 <dbmoodb_> eyah sorry * i had*
Aug 07 05:54:51 <rwhitby> a huge one liner
Aug 07 05:54:54 <dbmoodb_> 'yeah* damn
Aug 07 05:55:07 <dbmoodb_> so why hasn't it been pushed through ?
Aug 07 05:55:34 <dingman> kd8ikt, marlinnhag_: kd8ikt means 'root@marlinnhag-desktop:~#'
Aug 07 05:55:37 <marlinnhag_> Thank you... Duh... Sorry about the paste just didnt know how else to get it across
Aug 07 05:55:56 <kd8ikt> permision denied would have sufficed
Aug 07 05:56:22 <rwhitby> ~pastebin
Aug 07 05:56:23 <apt> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Aug 07 05:56:28 <rwhitby> marlinnhag_: ^^
Aug 07 05:56:36 <kd8ikt> heh dingman yeah i forgot to put #
Aug 07 05:57:00 <dingman> kd8ikt, I figured you actually did mean #
Aug 07 05:57:08 <marlinnhag_> Thank you...
Aug 07 05:57:08 <catsup> but when you ask a stupid question nobody ever looks at the pastebin :(
Aug 07 05:57:24 <TankC> Hooray!  My freerunner will be here in a week :)
Aug 07 05:57:31 <dingman> Also figured that if marlinnhag_ was a Linux newbie the translation might not be so obvious.
Aug 07 05:57:37 <kd8ikt> or when you spell ketchup catsup
Aug 07 05:57:58 <rwhitby> catsup: au contraire, I never help unless there is a pastebin, cause otherwise you have to trust that people are interpreting the output correctly
Aug 07 05:58:49 <dbmoodb_> ah.... rwhitby where do i put said file ?
Aug 07 05:58:58 <catsup> well when someone says, APACHE DOSNT WORK HERE IS MY APACCHE.CONF http://pastebin...
Aug 07 05:59:11 <catsup> it's very unlikely that link wlil get clicked
Aug 07 05:59:18 <rwhitby> e.g. if marlinnhag_ had just said "permission denied" it could have been that he didn't have permissions to actually run the dfu-util executable for some weird reason, as opposed to not being able to open the usb interface
Aug 07 05:59:37 <rwhitby> catsup: yeah, any all caps will make me ignore it.
Aug 07 06:00:32 <catsup> i included two other major stupidities in that question, i hope you saw them all
Aug 07 06:00:34 <rwhitby> but if someone says "I want to do this, I tried this, I expected this to happen, but this happened instead, I used these google search terms to try and find an answer, and here is a pastebin of my apache config file", then there's a good chance someone helpful will look at it
Aug 07 06:00:34 <kd8ikt> http://pastebin.com/d711b22b0
Aug 07 06:01:03 * rwhitby assumes that a NSFW link ...
Aug 07 06:01:07 <catsup> rwhitby: yeah.  that's not a stupid question...
Aug 07 06:01:28 <kd8ikt> ;)
Aug 07 06:01:29 <rwhitby> catsup: ah, true - you did originally specific a stupid question. my bad :-)
Aug 07 06:01:38 <rwhitby> s/specific/specify/
Aug 07 06:01:39 <apt> rwhitby meant: catsup: ah, true - you did originally specify a stupid question. my bad :-)
Aug 07 06:01:48 <catsup> holy shit
Aug 07 06:01:58 <catsup> a regex bot
Aug 07 06:02:13 <catsup> s/(r)e(g)e(x)/\3\2\1/
Aug 07 06:02:13 <kgoetz> lol
Aug 07 06:02:24 <rwhitby> apt is not that smart
Aug 07 06:02:25 <catsup> wtf
Aug 07 06:02:48 <safiiru> Yeah I didn't know when I said a s/// earlier that was what triggered apt.
Aug 07 06:04:11 <catsup> s/.*/what the fuck/
Aug 07 06:04:23 <catsup> man, that sucks
Aug 07 06:04:29 <rwhitby> pity apt doesn't elide coarse language ...
Aug 07 06:05:45 <dbmoodb_> ~rude
Aug 07 06:05:46 <apt> i heard rude is making me tell people things that they dont want to be told
Aug 07 06:06:01 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: to answer your last question would require you to learn about bitbake stamps and such - are you up for that first, or do you want to wait for XorA|gone ?
Aug 07 06:06:18 <dbmoodb_> XorA|gone: well .... i'm not sure
Aug 07 06:06:28 <catsup> um
Aug 07 06:06:40 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: isn't there another who can fix it ?
Aug 07 06:07:01 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: i'm happy to have a go ... don't expect much from me tho... i'm new to this mostly
Aug 07 06:07:15 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: only another openmoko staff member with commit privs
Aug 07 06:07:15 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: this is why i use debian.... ... ....
Aug 07 06:07:16 <marlinnhag_> Ok. So corrected one one dumb error. now I run that command and get: No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
Aug 07 06:07:30 <rwhitby> marlinnhag_: device in uboot menu?
Aug 07 06:07:32 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: want to tell me what / point me in the correct direction
Aug 07 06:07:58 <marlinnhag_> yup its in Uboot it says DFU mode Device_ configured
Aug 07 06:09:01 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: it'll be somewhere under build/tmp/... and you'll need be able to hit a specific bitbake target running bitbake manually
Aug 07 06:09:11 <dbmoodb_> ok
Aug 07 06:09:47 <rwhitby> marlinnhag_: try without the -R
Aug 07 06:10:24 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: should i just put fso on my phone then ?
Aug 07 06:11:15 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: so how would i do the bitbaking ?
Aug 07 06:11:15 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: heh - a drastic measure :-)
Aug 07 06:11:41 <orzo> the phone's two major problems are low battery life and annoying echo heard by people on the other phone
Aug 07 06:11:46 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: you need to find the correct kernel bitbake build command which does not try and re-unpack the sources but just builds from your modified sources including the new file
Aug 07 06:11:56 <orzo> anybody agree with that?
Aug 07 06:12:11 <dbmoodb_> orzo: does the echo actually occur ?
Aug 07 06:12:24 <orzo> my conversation partners say yes
Aug 07 06:12:32 <orzo> and they tell me to get another damn phone
Aug 07 06:12:35 <catsup> it's probably a conspiracy
Aug 07 06:12:37 <jOERG_rw> apt: greet rwhitby!
Aug 07 06:12:38 * apt dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on rwhitby!
Aug 07 06:12:47 <catsup> the kind of people you associate with cannot be trusted
Aug 07 06:12:55 <catsup> they're just jealous
Aug 07 06:13:10 <marlinnhag_> rwhitby_: Same response
Aug 07 06:13:22 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: hi - that's cold!
Aug 07 06:13:35 <rwhitby> ~lart jOERG_rw 
Aug 07 06:13:36 * apt judo chops jOERG_rw
Aug 07 06:13:45 <dingman> orzo: All I've had anyone mention is the buzzing issue, which I gather is known, and has been minor for me so far.
Aug 07 06:14:02 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: did you mean to make the schematics location public in that Trac ticket?
Aug 07 06:14:07 <dbmoodb_> ~moo
Aug 07 06:14:07 * apt mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Aug 07 06:14:15 <orzo> maybe we should talk on the phone dingman
Aug 07 06:14:18 <orzo> heh
Aug 07 06:14:19 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Aug 07 06:14:20 <apt> Well, my work here is done.
Aug 07 06:14:21 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: kinda
Aug 07 06:14:36 <dingman> orzo, you in the US?
Aug 07 06:14:40 <orzo> yeah
Aug 07 06:14:53 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: you were waiting to see who would break the news before the public announcement?
Aug 07 06:15:04 * dingman ponders the wisdom of giving out a phone number on IRC...
Aug 07 06:15:08 <orzo> heh
Aug 07 06:15:08 <jOERG_rw> :-)
Aug 07 06:15:15 <rwhitby> (to see who's watching closely ...)
Aug 07 06:15:55 <rwhitby> (for those not in the know, jOERG_rw posted the location of the GTA02 schematics on one of the mailing list - your challenge, should you accept it, is to find that message)
Aug 07 06:15:56 <dingman> this chat is logged, right?
Aug 07 06:16:01 <rwhitby> ~logs
Aug 07 06:16:02 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Aug 07 06:16:03 <jOERG_rw> Steve is supposed to announce it on Linuxworld
Aug 07 06:16:08 <Bish> yes so dont say something bad
Aug 07 06:16:10 <railer> news you say?
Aug 07 06:16:12 * dbmoodb_ ponders why dingman doesn't have a spare sip in preparation for irc
Aug 07 06:16:25 <dbmoodb_> sim*
Aug 07 06:16:52 <railer> I like Windows Vista! 
Aug 07 06:17:03 <catsup> irc people aren't like normal people
Aug 07 06:17:06 <dingman> hunh?
Aug 07 06:17:11 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: are the '01 schematics close behind?
Aug 07 06:17:13 <catsup> if you give them a phone number they are sure to stalk you with it
Aug 07 06:17:16 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: has a linux "virus"
Aug 07 06:17:21 <dbmoodb_> sorry -- meant railer
Aug 07 06:17:24 <linuxxr> no way
Aug 07 06:17:27 <catsup> irc people are all degenerate perverts
Aug 07 06:17:32 <linuxxr> oo
Aug 07 06:17:32 <dbmoodb_> damn tab comp.... railer has a linux virus
Aug 07 06:17:39 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: have a look!
Aug 07 06:17:55 <dingman> catsup, clearly. How else can I explain my presence?
Aug 07 06:17:56 <catsup> especially this orzo fellow, he has a sick mind
Aug 07 06:17:57 <rwhitby> doh!
Aug 07 06:18:12 <railer> "Bish: yes so dont say something bad": There now you can say anything, no one can beat what I said.
Aug 07 06:18:16 <catsup> you wouldn't believe what he was saying on undernet #anarchism
Aug 07 06:18:18 <jOERG_rw> component placemet gta01 already in wiki somewhere
Aug 07 06:18:22 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: sweet, thx.
Aug 07 06:18:27 <Bish> np
Aug 07 06:18:46 <dbmoodb_> railer: windows vista in a active directory attempting to join and failing whilst a windows server 2008 is the gateway
Aug 07 06:19:07 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: 15 pages, loud and clear, thanks.
Aug 07 06:19:21 <jOERG_rw> welcome
Aug 07 06:20:12 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: don't tell anyone that you were going to do it anyway, so I can brag that my passionate email to Sean caused the schematics to be released ;-)
Aug 07 06:20:17 <tunys> doc|home?
Aug 07 06:20:18 <tunys> heh
Aug 07 06:20:39 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: ok! ;-)
Aug 07 06:21:07 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: in fact I thought you were hired by Steve to trigger the public thread
Aug 07 06:21:20 <lindi-> can anybody reach www.openembedded.org/?
Aug 07 06:21:34 <rwhitby> if I was, I haven't received the cheque, or a 900MHz GTA02, yet ...
Aug 07 06:21:48 <jOERG_rw> :-D
Aug 07 06:22:17 <catsup> has anyone else had the same problems as orzo?
Aug 07 06:22:31 <rwhitby> (the 850 pre-release they sent me doesn't register too well on the Aussie 900/1800/1900 networks, and also seems to have glamo nwait problems)
Aug 07 06:23:55 <dingman> lindi-, no, traceroute stops 16 hops out. Last responding ip is 80.81.246.1
Aug 07 06:25:32 * rwhitby looks for the GTA01 component placement info ...
Aug 07 06:26:14 <railer> So what was the breaking news?
Aug 07 06:28:05 <orzo> where is the mic located
Aug 07 06:28:13 <Bish> orzo: same as mono speaker
Aug 07 06:28:16 <Bish> on the other side
Aug 07 06:28:24 <jOERG_rw> exactly
Aug 07 06:28:31 <orzo> what
Aug 07 06:28:40 <jOERG_rw> that round little thing
Aug 07 06:28:51 <rwhitby> railer: release of schematics for gta02 and gta02
Aug 07 06:28:57 <railer> any notice the phone is for "righties" only?
Aug 07 06:29:12 <dbmoodb_> railer: no
Aug 07 06:29:20 <GirlRiver> railer: yes
Aug 07 06:29:28 <kgoetz> hows that? :o
Aug 07 06:29:35 <orzo> i mean the mouthpiece mic
Aug 07 06:29:47 <dbmoodb_> orzo: does it matter ?
Aug 07 06:29:48 <jOERG_rw> ozzloy: huh?
Aug 07 06:29:52 <orzo> that's on the side of the phone? its not near where your mouth would talk to?
Aug 07 06:29:53 <Bish> whats about the Monitor mode, will it come?
Aug 07 06:29:54 <kgoetz> orzo: isnt there one each side?
Aug 07 06:29:58 <dbmoodb_> oh noes the sound will not travell 
Aug 07 06:30:06 <jOERG_rw> ozzloy: sorry
Aug 07 06:30:06 <railer> Try holding the phone in your right hand while writing with your left
Aug 07 06:30:07 <dbmoodb_> Bish: for wifi ?
Aug 07 06:30:16 <orzo> dont be sarcastic
Aug 07 06:30:22 <Bish> dbmoodb_: yeah
Aug 07 06:30:24 <orzo> i have echo problems
Aug 07 06:30:30 <orzo> the damn mic is picking up the earpiece
Aug 07 06:30:49 <dbmoodb_> hopes so --- unless some one can help me make a rt73 kernel module against the openmoko kernel i'm also stuck with the stock wireless
Aug 07 06:30:53 <kgoetz> railer: the phone is a symetrical form, it cant be harder then holding in the left and writing
Aug 07 06:30:54 <jOERG_rw> orzo: the handset mic is located near the lanyard hole, middle of the long axis
Aug 07 06:31:00 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: nope, looked through all the wiki images and couldn't find GTA01 component placement
Aug 07 06:31:04 <jOERG_rw> err ON the long axis
Aug 07 06:31:26 <jOERG_rw> shit, I *know* it's here
Aug 07 06:31:28 <orzo> is it in the lanyard hole?
Aug 07 06:31:29 <railer> kgoetz the ear speaker is on only one side
Aug 07 06:31:35 <jOERG_rw> orzo: ye
Aug 07 06:31:51 <orzo> is it visible?
Aug 07 06:31:56 <kgoetz> mines in the middle above the screen - i assume i'm not special there
Aug 07 06:32:19 <orzo> wouldn't a lanyard interfere with it then?
Aug 07 06:32:32 <jOERG_rw> orzo: you see a little tiny hole in the case, when you look to lanyard hole
Aug 07 06:32:51 <ozzloy> jOERG_rw: np
Aug 07 06:33:05 <jOERG_rw> ozzloy:  :-)
Aug 07 06:33:57 <orzo> i think i see it
Aug 07 06:34:07 <railer> holding the phone in left hand you have to hold the phone above mouth, phone pointing up, holding phone in right hand phone is pointing down in normal phone position. It's the mic location
Aug 07 06:35:11 <railer> Had the mic been where the little hole is, this would not be a problem
Aug 07 06:35:38 <orzo> the mic is not where the littel hole is?
Aug 07 06:35:57 <railer> no, it's on the side
Aug 07 06:36:03 <rwhitby> um, no.
Aug 07 06:36:05 <orzo> so its not visible?
Aug 07 06:36:29 <rwhitby> speakers are on the side, mic is inside the hole, centrally located on the vertical axis
Aug 07 06:36:38 <rwhitby> take it apart and look
Aug 07 06:37:56 <rwhitby> it's the circle on the extreme left of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:GTA02_A5_PCB_PS.jpg
Aug 07 06:38:04 <railer> seriously, cool nevermind
Aug 07 06:39:38 <orzo> the circle on teh left is pointing toward us
Aug 07 06:39:58 <railer> so it 2008.8 out?
Aug 07 06:40:23 <railer> so IS 2008.8 out
Aug 07 06:40:26 <orzo> the hole is inside teh lanyard hole and would be pointing left in the picture
Aug 07 06:41:12 <orzo> is the mic pointing left or upward toward the viewer?
Aug 07 06:41:14 <rwhitby> orzo: the plastic casing channels the sound
Aug 07 06:42:36 <beni_> railer: tomorrow
Aug 07 06:42:37 <rwhitby> orzo: on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG you can see the mic mounted
Aug 07 06:43:52 <orzo> well can it be more sheilded from the earpiece somehow
Aug 07 06:44:20 <rwhitby> earpiece is right at the other end of the device ...
Aug 07 06:44:30 <orzo> the sound is carying
Aug 07 06:44:54 <orzo> unless theres some werid alsa configuratino causing my echo
Aug 07 06:44:58 <rwhitby> you're assuming it's carrying through the air, and not an electrical coupling ...
Aug 07 06:45:04 <Bish> what does the fso image has as.. "gsm-daemon"
Aug 07 06:45:24 <rwhitby> Bish: it's built into the framework on gta02
Aug 07 06:45:33 <rwhitby> on gta01 it doesn't have one
Aug 07 06:46:01 <orzo> well i'm told the echo improves or changes if i hold the phone differently
Aug 07 06:46:27 <orzo> is my phone just a defective one?
Aug 07 06:46:35 <orzo> other people dont have this problem?
Aug 07 06:46:43 <rwhitby> dunno - have you told this to the guys on the support mailing list?
Aug 07 06:46:49 <orzo> can i get it exchanged?
Aug 07 06:46:49 <dbmoodb_> orzo: it depends on who / where you are i guess
Aug 07 06:46:59 <orzo> u.s.
Aug 07 06:47:05 <orzo> florida
Aug 07 06:47:06 <Bish> rwhitby: wut
Aug 07 06:47:20 <rwhitby> Bish: ENOPARSE ...
Aug 07 06:47:26 <Bish> rwhitby: wut
Aug 07 06:48:27 <methril> morning
Aug 07 06:48:43 <rwhitby> Bish: which language should I tell the google translator?
Aug 07 06:49:26 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: sorry, compoplace actually was NOT in wiki for 01. See my folder, should be there now
Aug 07 06:49:57 <Bish> rwhitby: jewish
Aug 07 06:49:58 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: chmod ugo+r please
Aug 07 06:49:59 <jOERG_rw> s/sorry, /sorry, it seems/
Aug 07 06:49:59 <apt> jOERG_rw meant: rwhitby: sorry, it seemscompoplace actually was NOT in wiki for 01. See my folder, should be there now
Aug 07 06:50:16 <jOERG_rw> uhh :-/
Aug 07 06:50:46 <jOERG_rw> better?
Aug 07 06:51:59 <rwhitby> yes, thanks.  Got the same for GTA02 ;-)
Aug 07 06:52:23 <rwhitby> doh! he beat me again!
Aug 07 06:52:49 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: got that one too - thanks!
Aug 07 06:54:11 <mmontour> jOERG_rw: thanks for the schematics
Aug 07 06:54:13 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: are the second and third pages of the GTA02 component placement PDF simply a mirror image of each other, or is there some deeper meaning?
Aug 07 06:54:34 <BlackFog> mornin'
Aug 07 06:55:40 <rwhitby> ah, I guess it's so you can more easily read the reversed identifiers
Aug 07 06:55:46 <mmontour> orzo: It seems that most of the coupling between the earpiece speaker and the mic is through the inside of the case. At least, if you put your finger over the earpiece hole then the coupled audio gets louder
Aug 07 06:56:11 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: not sure, will ask to find out about it
Aug 07 06:56:22 * rwhitby wonders if you can get acoustic dampening material in a spray-in foam form ...
Aug 07 06:56:53 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: it makes sense now, cause some of the component names are reversed
Aug 07 06:57:56 <jOERG_rw> yea but THAT makes no sense to reverse names :-/
Aug 07 06:58:34 <rwhitby> maybe the resistors are placed upside down ;-)
Aug 07 06:58:58 <jOERG_rw> rwhitby: muaahhaaaha :D
Aug 07 06:59:26 <jOERG_rw> they are reversed inside out like a glove
Aug 07 06:59:59 <jOERG_rw> strange effect of scotty's beaming we use to place the components ;-)
Aug 07 06:59:59 * rwhitby wonders how they do that without letting the magic blue smoke out ...
Aug 07 07:00:29 * kgoetz wonders if he should install 2008.8 at last
Aug 07 07:00:49 <BobOfDoom> they're reversed on both pages though.. so how does that help? .. or do you hold a mirror up to the third page and you get the second page with reversed components...? XD
Aug 07 07:01:53 <rwhitby> BobOfDoom: oh yeah, you're right.
Aug 07 07:01:56 <Bish> which image u guys using?
Aug 07 07:02:10 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: please do ask - it makes no sense now :-)
Aug 07 07:02:44 <jOERG_rw> maybe I can even find out WHO actually created those ;-)
Aug 07 07:02:44 * rwhitby has fso2 on gta02 and qtopia-x11 on gta01 at the moment, but it changes fairly often
Aug 07 07:03:19 <jOERG_rw> bye!
Aug 07 07:03:39 <rwhitby> jOERG_rw: I love the FBI-style blacked out parts on the GTA01 schematics :-)
Aug 07 07:03:51 <Bish> rwhitby: likes FSO ms2, but needs sms support
Aug 07 07:03:53 <jOERG_rw> great, no?
Aug 07 07:04:23 * jOERG_rw away
Aug 07 07:04:42 <kd8ikt> ./
Aug 07 07:06:09 <GirlRiver> which, if any, GPS is recommended to use on Qtopia ? 
Aug 07 07:07:34 <kgoetz> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ still has 08.04.24. is that by design?
Aug 07 07:08:00 <Blalien> I get the followin error when I try to run the bluetooth headset script:    importError: No module named dbus
Aug 07 07:08:03 <kgoetz> http://downloads.openmoko.org/foresight/Publications/iPhone_3G_Disassembly.pdf 403 :(
Aug 07 07:08:08 <Blalien> What can I do about this?
Aug 07 07:08:16 <rwhitby> XorA|gone: OE org.oe.dev sane-srcrevs.inc linux-openmoko needs fixing
Aug 07 07:09:23 <rwhitby> kgoetz: email the guy who announced the foresight group on the mailing list?
Aug 07 07:09:38 <linuxxr> what type og car charger is to be used on the freerunner?
Aug 07 07:10:00 <lindi-> linuxxr: wiki lists many
Aug 07 07:10:20 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 07 07:11:11 <kgoetz> rwhitby: i didnt know such an announcement was made - i just noticed the link then. 
Aug 07 07:12:32 <rwhitby> the foresight group was announced somewhere
Aug 07 07:13:03 <kgoetz> roger
Aug 07 07:13:14 * kgoetz isnt on any OM lists
Aug 07 07:13:20 <kgoetz> (other then oz-moko, of course)
Aug 07 07:13:44 <Hopscotch> good morning
Aug 07 07:15:24 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfe45c9835262 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired...
Aug 07 07:15:24 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rce8ef7a6a9fd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager
Aug 07 07:17:38 <linuxxr> we have boots
Aug 07 07:18:21 <linuxxr> i hope it works
Aug 07 07:19:25 <linuxxr> looks hung at 59 %
Aug 07 07:19:29 <linuxxr> nope
Aug 07 07:20:02 <safiiru> First boot it stays at 59% for a really long time.
Aug 07 07:21:43 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8cf4433aadb7 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc.
Aug 07 07:23:09 <aggtrfra1> heh
Aug 07 07:23:27 <linuxxr> that 2d game locked it up
Aug 07 07:23:48 <safiiru> One of the version of the keyboard on 2008.8 has no backspace.
Aug 07 07:23:50 <trickie|work> rwhitby: i made a bug about the sane-srcrev for linux-openmoko
Aug 07 07:23:53 <trickie|work> rwhitby: http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4485
Aug 07 07:23:53 <aggtrfra1> pidgin irc works on FR :)
Aug 07 07:24:02 <rwhitby> trickie: XorA is on the case :-)
Aug 07 07:24:21 <Bish> aggtrfra1: from where did u get pidgin :P
Aug 07 07:24:35 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/
Aug 07 07:24:42 <aggtrfrad> there are lots o dependencied
Aug 07 07:24:57 <aggtrfrad> at the same repositorie u can find them
Aug 07 07:25:10 <kgoetz> aggtrfrad: thats taking maschoism to an all new level
Aug 07 07:25:11 <kgoetz> *sp
Aug 07 07:25:17 <aggtrfrad> #PIDGIN MSN+IRC
Aug 07 07:25:17 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-plugin-ssl_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:17 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-plugin-ssl-gnutls_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:17 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-xmpp_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:17 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-libjabber_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:18 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-irc_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:18 <trickie|work> rwhitby: cool
Aug 07 07:25:20 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-msn_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:22 <aggtrfrad> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/pidgin_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 07:25:24 <aggtrfrad> thats all :p
Aug 07 07:25:50 <kgoetz> please dont flood :\
Aug 07 07:26:49 <rwhitby> ~pastebin
Aug 07 07:26:50 <apt> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Aug 07 07:26:51 <rwhitby> aggtrfra1: ^^
Aug 07 07:27:05 <aggtrfrad> okz :)
Aug 07 07:27:36 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: XorA is on the case - should be a fix soon hopefully.
Aug 07 07:27:48 <aggtrfrad> im gonna try msn
Aug 07 07:27:55 <XorA> ${AUTOREV} fixes it :-)
Aug 07 07:28:08 <rwhitby> XorA: and breaks how many other things ;-)
Aug 07 07:28:20 <XorA> rwhitby: you can do it just for kernel :-)
Aug 07 07:28:28 <beni_> w00t is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 2008.8??
Aug 07 07:28:49 <rwhitby> XorA: yeah, but then I'll forget to take it out again ...
Aug 07 07:29:04 <rwhitby> beni_: I'd expect it's a close relative ...
Aug 07 07:29:58 <beni_> rwhitby: its a rc?
Aug 07 07:30:01 <Bish> why so serious !?
Aug 07 07:30:26 <lindi-> just started mokomakefile builds for 2007.2 and ASU, any idea what's are the probabilities that they will a) build b) boot c) work as well as my current 2007.2 image? ;))
Aug 07 07:31:08 <rwhitby> lindi-: if (a) then (b) and probably (c)
Aug 07 07:31:48 * XorA has an autoreved 2007.2 working here
Aug 07 07:31:59 <lindi-> rwhitby: thanks
Aug 07 07:32:06 <lindi-> XorA: autoreved?
Aug 07 07:32:13 <XorA> lindi-: latest everything
Aug 07 07:32:20 <rwhitby> bleeding edge
Aug 07 07:33:02 <lindi-> rwhitby: if a && b && c can i d) edit ./openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/neod-main.c e) rebuild and f) install the neod*.ipk to freerunner without having to reflash everything just because i changed neod?
Aug 07 07:33:05 <rwhitby> XorA: on a serious note, do you think MokoMakefile should continue to default to sane-srcrevs or use fso-autorev and moko-autorev?
Aug 07 07:33:34 <rwhitby> lindi-: one would expect so
Aug 07 07:33:57 <lindi-> rwhitby: ok, and then send mail to devel@ with a patch since i don't have svn write access?
Aug 07 07:34:05 <beni_> rwhitby: does it require some special kernel? or is a recent flashed okay?
Aug 07 07:34:26 <rwhitby> beni_: you should always match kernel and rootfs
Aug 07 07:35:03 <XorA> rwhitby: hard to say, autorev builds tend to break every second day
Aug 07 07:35:28 <XorA> rwhitby: Ill try and update sane srcrevs today to what I am actually running
Aug 07 07:35:34 <rwhitby> XorA: thx
Aug 07 07:35:44 <XorA> quick fix for kernel first :_)
Aug 07 07:36:50 <XorA> rwhitby: bugger knows about that compile issue BTW
Aug 07 07:36:56 <beni_> rwhitby: i cant find a kernel at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/ ....
Aug 07 07:36:59 <beni_> any hints?
Aug 07 07:37:07 <rwhitby> XorA: I'm considering putting an OE fso feed on nslu2-linux.org - is there anything like that planned on buildhost that would save me the trouble?
Aug 07 07:37:17 <rwhitby> beni_: just look back a day until you find it
Aug 07 07:37:27 <XorA> rwhitby: no, I was wanting to leave FSO guys running their own baby
Aug 07 07:37:40 <kgoetz> 500MB of images per day :|
Aug 07 07:37:54 <trickie|work> XorA: how do you switch from AUTOREV build and back again? 
Aug 07 07:38:00 <rwhitby> XorA: but they don't have feed infrastructure do they, they use downloads.om.org for images and updates
Aug 07 07:38:09 <kgoetz> and all in tarballs. must be huge
Aug 07 07:38:20 <trickie|work> is AUTOREV a moko thing or for all OE distro's?
Aug 07 07:38:28 <rwhitby> kgoetz: nslu2-linux.org server is hosted in the same rack as master.kernel.org at osuosl ...
Aug 07 07:38:34 <rwhitby> it can take the traffic :-)
Aug 07 07:38:46 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re5ea1837c82c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update OM kernel to something buildable
Aug 07 07:38:50 <XorA> rwhitby: buildhost also builds the wrong branch
Aug 07 07:39:36 <XorA> there that should be kernel fixed
Aug 07 07:39:44 <kgoetz> rwhitby: i dont doubt it can, but i think i might not make a daily copy ;)
Aug 07 07:40:37 <rwhitby> XorA: yeah, that's why I was going to do a separate feed built from OE directly for fso
Aug 07 07:40:47 <rwhitby> and build task-openmoko-feed for it
Aug 07 07:41:23 <safiiru> 2008.8 doesn't come with gpsd?
Aug 07 07:41:34 <linuxxr> no
Aug 07 07:41:39 <safiiru> Is that still a correct gps daemon to use with it?
Aug 07 07:42:05 <linuxxr> i just put 200808 on muself
Aug 07 07:42:36 <Blalien>  I get the followin error when I try to run the bluetooth headset script:    importError: No module named dbus.        How do I fix this?
Aug 07 07:42:44 * XorA is tempted to remove qtopia-image from buildhost
Aug 07 07:43:03 <lindi-> XorA: why? ;)
Aug 07 07:43:10 <rwhitby> lindi-: it steals all the thunder
Aug 07 07:43:23 <XorA> because no matter how many times I say buildhost is not ASU on mailing lists and here, no-one listens
Aug 07 07:43:34 <lindi-> XorA: buildhost is not ASU?
Aug 07 07:43:39 <XorA> no
Aug 07 07:43:45 <rwhitby> lindi-: it builds from the wrong branch
Aug 07 07:43:48 <kgoetz> whats the diference between .summary and non .sumarry rootfs's?
Aug 07 07:43:50 <lindi-> rwhitby: uh oh
Aug 07 07:44:02 <lindi-> rwhitby: something else than org.openmoko.asu.dev?
Aug 07 07:44:05 <rwhitby> kgoetz: first hit on google for "jffs2 summary:
Aug 07 07:44:13 <kgoetz> rwhitby: fair enough
Aug 07 07:44:16 <rwhitby> lindi-: buildhost builds .dev I believe
Aug 07 07:44:20 <XorA> shit
Aug 07 07:45:03 <lindi-> rwhitby: org.openmoko.dev?
Aug 07 07:45:07 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 07 07:45:13 <lindi-> rwhitby: but isn't that 2007.2?
Aug 07 07:45:16 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 07 07:45:25 <rwhitby> that's the current OM release
Aug 07 07:45:33 <lindi-> i'm bit confused, why do people think it's asu then? ;)
Aug 07 07:45:34 <XorA> not 2007.2 either, as that was the last release
Aug 07 07:45:51 <XorA> openmoko.dev branch tracks OE with OM changes
Aug 07 07:46:00 <rwhitby> lindi-: cause it has qtopia-x11 images with dates close to 080808
Aug 07 07:46:25 <XorA> the main difference is ASU actually works
Aug 07 07:46:28 <lindi-> rwhitby: can mokomakefile build those images?
Aug 07 07:46:46 <rwhitby> lindi-: mokomakefile can build anything, given the correct variable settings at the top
Aug 07 07:46:50 <XorA> and ASU doesnt have the FSO theme accidently applied :-)
Aug 07 07:46:59 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 07 07:47:08 <lindi-> rwhitby: ok. so what would it be for qtopia-x11?
Aug 07 07:47:33 <lindi-> rwhitby: i am now building 'org.openmoko.dev' and 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' with it (on different machines)
Aug 07 07:47:38 <rwhitby> branch = org.openmoko.asu.stable I expect
Aug 07 07:47:48 <lindi-> rwhitby: aha
Aug 07 07:48:02 <rwhitby> although asu.dev should be close too
Aug 07 07:48:23 * rwhitby has never built asu, so is not speaking from any sort of authority here
Aug 07 07:48:29 <lindi-> ok
Aug 07 07:49:25 <Blalien> Could it be that connecting a bluetooth headset will work better in 2008.8?
Aug 07 07:49:39 <ozzloy> on the qtopia image, should i upgrade to the maintainer's version or keep the version installed with the image when i opkg upgrade?
Aug 07 07:49:58 <rwhitby> ozzloy: hit "d" to diff and make an informed decision
Aug 07 07:50:16 <rwhitby> one is likely to be obviously wrong
Aug 07 07:50:26 <ozzloy> i hope so
Aug 07 07:50:43 <ozzloy> could you give an example of "obviously wrong"?
Aug 07 07:50:49 <ozzloy> i'm not sure i'll know
Aug 07 07:50:51 <kgoetz> my-distribution.org *grin*
Aug 07 07:50:52 <rwhitby> my-distribution.org
Aug 07 07:50:54 <rwhitby> snap
Aug 07 07:51:01 <kgoetz> hehe
Aug 07 07:51:05 <ozzloy> heh
Aug 07 07:51:32 <Blalien> Could someone please answer my questions. ;)
Aug 07 07:51:43 <safiiru> Someone was nice enought to buy that domain and not put evil things there.
Aug 07 07:52:00 <rwhitby> Blalien: I saw them, but have no idea what the answers should be.
Aug 07 07:52:17 <XorA> it seems not many people use bluetooth
Aug 07 07:52:26 <rwhitby> ~nefarious
Aug 07 07:52:27 <apt> hmm... nefarious is to be infamous by way of nastyness
Aug 07 07:52:36 <XorA> that question comes up like once a day, but none of the bluez expert seem to try it :-)
Aug 07 07:53:02 <Blalien> rwhiby: No problem, I hope there will be that special someone today that can help me with.
Aug 07 07:53:25 <kd8ikt> thats awefully thoughtfull of beni
Aug 07 07:53:54 <kd8ikt> er awfully?
Aug 07 07:54:13 * rwhitby wonders why Google of "whois my-distribution.org" hasn't been implemented yet ...
Aug 07 07:54:18 <Blalien> Xora: Ahh oke :P, that's a bummer. My bluetooth keyboard works. But it's to lonely for my Sennheiser headset to lay arround.
Aug 07 07:54:19 <drath_> nick drath
Aug 07 07:54:23 <drath_> d'oh...
Aug 07 07:54:25 <beni_> kd8ikt: sorry for that. i am just so amazed by this fr thing that  i just cant wait to try things out
Aug 07 07:54:43 * XorA is not even sure the audio codec is codec correctly to link
Aug 07 07:54:55 <XorA> second codec == coded
Aug 07 07:54:58 <beni_> kd8ikt: or did i misudnerstood something?
Aug 07 07:55:26 <kd8ikt> i was speaking of my-distribution
Aug 07 07:55:34 <Blalien> XorA: Ahh, so it could be a problem with the audio codec?
Aug 07 07:56:11 <ozzloy> beni_: are you the same beni who registered my-distribution.org ?
Aug 07 07:56:23 <safiiru> If I have one bar left on my battery should I just plug in my FR?  I remember it would never be able to recharge if it got too low, is that still true?
Aug 07 07:56:27 <XorA> Blalien: there is no software to actually change the codec config on attaching a headset, Ive no idea how to attach a headset with bluez
Aug 07 07:56:41 <XorA> and I pretty much gave up with bluez in disgust
Aug 07 07:57:02 <rwhitby> beni_: nice web page :-)
Aug 07 07:57:09 <XorA> I know the qtopia guys worked on it a bit
Aug 07 07:57:20 <XorA> not sure if lorn knows if they ever got it working
Aug 07 07:57:31 <ozzloy> -src/gz daily-all ... v.  +src/gz om-dev-all ...
Aug 07 07:57:34 <rwhitby> beni_: you should put google adsense on there and make some money
Aug 07 07:57:45 <beni_> ozzloy: no
Aug 07 07:57:47 <ozzloy> is daily-all stable, and om-dev-all bleeding?
Aug 07 07:58:16 <XorA> the my-distribution.org in /etc/opkg/* should be fixed as of last night
Aug 07 07:58:16 * rwhitby is referring to http://www.my-distribution.org/
Aug 07 07:58:38 <rwhitby> XorA: whoever wrote that should be beaten over the head with the example.com RFC
Aug 07 07:58:45 <XorA> rwhitby: mickeyl
Aug 07 07:59:18 <rwhitby> get him to write out the contents of http://www.rfc.net/rfc2606.txt 100 times as penance
Aug 07 07:59:23 <Blalien> XorA: Ok thanks for the info :). I hope it will be working soon ^^.
Aug 07 07:59:25 <kd8ikt> still would have been funny replaceing all the pkgs with something that changed the background to goatse
Aug 07 07:59:46 <rwhitby> or installed an iphone theme ...
Aug 07 08:00:11 * kd8ikt would dare not waste the time building an iphone theme
Aug 07 08:00:28 <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/d546bb3e i don't know which of these two lines is right.
Aug 07 08:00:36 <ozzloy> which is?
Aug 07 08:00:55 <rwhitby> ozzloy: there is no functional difference, so it doesn't matter
Aug 07 08:01:03 <ozzloy> rwhitby: kk
Aug 07 08:01:07 <XorA> yeah, looks like the updated distro-feed-configs built last night, to my-distribution.org should be gone
Aug 07 08:01:08 <rwhitby> so hit 'y'
Aug 07 08:01:10 <kgoetz> rwhitby: re example.com - totally agree
Aug 07 08:01:17 <kd8ikt> yeah they are the fricken same 
Aug 07 08:01:25 <kd8ikt> except label
Aug 07 08:01:28 <beni_> when will 2008.8 be released tomorrow? at 20:08 ?
Aug 07 08:01:30 <beni_> ;)
Aug 07 08:01:42 <rwhitby> beni_: in the GMT+8 timezone
Aug 07 08:01:46 <XorA> beni_: yes, but we havent chosen which timezone to release it in :-)
Aug 07 08:01:51 <ozzloy> rwhitby: same with daily-armv4t v. om-dev-armv4t ?
Aug 07 08:01:57 <XorA> traditionally OM releases happen on the dateline :_)
Aug 07 08:02:07 <rwhitby> ozzloy: if the url matches it's effectively the same
Aug 07 08:02:43 <safiiru> I don't seem to be able to find the sd card in /dev  in 2008.8 now.
Aug 07 08:02:44 <ozzloy> rwhitby: ah, cool
Aug 07 08:02:47 <XorA> ah, ozzloy has the new package
Aug 07 08:03:04 <XorA> I changed the feed names to om-dev-* to indicate which branch they came from
Aug 07 08:03:05 <safiiru> Seems like it should be /dev/mmcblk0p1 but it does not exist.
Aug 07 08:03:41 <ozzloy> XorA: i just reflashed the qtopia image from july
Aug 07 08:03:49 <ozzloy> XorA: and i'm running opkg update right now
Aug 07 08:03:59 <ozzloy> s/update/upgrade/
Aug 07 08:04:00 <apt> ozzloy meant: XorA: and i'm running opkg upgrade right now
Aug 07 08:04:08 <lindi-> ozzloy: qtopia image means org.openmoko.asu.stable?
Aug 07 08:04:22 <Blalien> What is the functionality difference between 2007.2 and 2008.8?   Which works better?
Aug 07 08:04:47 <ozzloy> lindi-: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
Aug 07 08:04:55 <ozzloy> the one for gta02
Aug 07 08:05:00 <rwhitby> Blalien: one would hope the latter
Aug 07 08:05:08 <lindi-> ozzloy: can that be built with mokomakefile?
Aug 07 08:05:21 <ozzloy> lindi-: no idea
Aug 07 08:05:34 <ozzloy> lindi-: i haven't been able to build jack on my own yet
Aug 07 08:05:38 <lindi-> ozzloy: any idea how to build it?
Aug 07 08:05:39 <lindi-> ah
Aug 07 08:05:50 <rwhitby> lindi-: no, mokomakefile doesn't build true qtopia images from Trolltech, only the qtopia-x11 (I wonder how they're allowed to call it that) from Openmoko.
Aug 07 08:05:56 <ozzloy> lindi-: just flashing different builds.  so far the one i just linked feels best
Aug 07 08:06:14 <lindi-> i am now taking the policy that i need to be able to build software i run on my phone, i have been suffering from neod+pulseaudio consuming 15% of cpu time for a week soon :)
Aug 07 08:06:33 <lindi-> rwhitby: ok
Aug 07 08:06:35 <rwhitby> lindi-: yeah, I subscribe to that policy too.  If I can't build it from source, it doesn't exist.
Aug 07 08:06:58 <XorA> neod needs some TLC
Aug 07 08:07:02 <rwhitby> Hence, the MokoMakefile :-)
Aug 07 08:07:08 * XorA has been waiting for SHR
Aug 07 08:07:23 <safiiru> Can MokoMakefile be used on OSX?
Aug 07 08:07:24 <XorA> which I always think of as Super Hybrid Release :-)
Aug 07 08:07:27 <lindi-> XorA: TLC?
Aug 07 08:07:51 <XorA> Tender Loving Care
Aug 07 08:07:56 <lindi-> ah
Aug 07 08:08:04 <rwhitby> safiiru: I have seen some reports of success, and am happy to accept patches.  It's more likely to be whether OE builds on OSX rather than MokoMakefile though.
Aug 07 08:08:09 <XorA> or something rude I wont repeat
Aug 07 08:08:26 <lindi-> XorA: any idea if SHR can be built with mokomakefile?
Aug 07 08:08:39 <rwhitby> lindi-: no, I haven't added that yet.
Aug 07 08:08:40 <safiiru> rwhitby: I may give it a try then.
Aug 07 08:08:41 <XorA> no idea if SHR even exists in any form
Aug 07 08:08:56 <rwhitby> XorA: there's an svn repo somewhere, but I have no idea what state it's in.
Aug 07 08:09:06 <lindi-> rwhitby: ah, you are rob
Aug 07 08:09:16 <rwhitby> nope, I'm the Rod.
Aug 07 08:09:19 <kd8ikt> last i checked it was a handful of scripts
Aug 07 08:09:30 <lindi-> rwhitby: whoops
Aug 07 08:09:35 <rwhitby> :-)
Aug 07 08:09:45 <lindi-> blame the tiny display!
Aug 07 08:10:09 <safiiru> Did the neo1973 use sdmicros?
Aug 07 08:10:17 <torpor> hi
Aug 07 08:10:21 <torpor> anyone know what py-level is all about?
Aug 07 08:10:21 <rwhitby> safiiru: same as FR
Aug 07 08:10:22 <kd8ikt> im investing my time learning about the freesmartphone dbus api and how to apply it 
Aug 07 08:10:33 <torpor> i want to write an app that uses the accelerometers, and py-level looks like a good place to get started.
Aug 07 08:10:36 <torpor> anyone know about it?
Aug 07 08:10:49 * rwhitby fixes the numptyphysics build in OE
Aug 07 08:10:51 <kd8ikt> and i want to play around with my friends archos media player
Aug 07 08:10:55 <lindi-> i want to make neod _not_ use the accelometers :P
Aug 07 08:11:08 <safiiru> rwhitby:  I am trying to figure out why I do not have a /dev/mmcblk0p1
Aug 07 08:11:09 <kd8ikt> there is a patched ver lindi- 
Aug 07 08:11:25 <lindi-> kd8ikt: really? where? mokomakefile fetched me broken version
Aug 07 08:11:26 <XorA> safiiru: re-seat you microSD
Aug 07 08:11:30 <torpor> rwhitby: you are awesome.  numptyphysics is awesome.
Aug 07 08:11:32 <XorA> safiiru: the connections arent the best
Aug 07 08:11:33 <lindi-> kd8ikt: the bug report did not get any replies either
Aug 07 08:11:41 <kd8ikt> http://westhoffs-welt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html
Aug 07 08:11:42 <safiiru> XorA:  Ah ok.
Aug 07 08:12:00 <rwhitby> torpor: I take no credit for numptyphysics, I only fixed a missing -lX11 in the bitbake recipe
Aug 07 08:12:16 <torpor> i know!
Aug 07 08:12:18 <kd8ikt> thats the only one i know of that leaves the accels alone
Aug 07 08:12:23 <torpor> i'm just say ing tis nice you are fixing it.
Aug 07 08:12:26 <lindi-> kd8ikt: have you tried to send that fix upstream?
Aug 07 08:12:32 <kd8ikt> so dont ask me about a patch
Aug 07 08:12:34 <torpor> coz i will work on it if its fixed.
Aug 07 08:12:52 <rwhitby> XorA: did you push the new sane-srcrevs to OE mtn repo as well?
Aug 07 08:12:58 <XorA> rwhitby: no
Aug 07 08:13:04 <XorA> rwhitby: need to work upto that :-)
Aug 07 08:13:11 <torpor> ooh .. moko_eightball is great!
Aug 07 08:13:14 <torpor> thanks for that!
Aug 07 08:13:16 <lindi-> kd8ikt: i don't see any event%d opening in svn co svn://svn.pureenergy.cc/moko_eightball
Aug 07 08:13:17 <rwhitby> XorA: which rev should I use?
Aug 07 08:13:30 <lindi-> kd8ikt: how does it detect AUX button presses without opening event%d?
Aug 07 08:13:39 <XorA> 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79
Aug 07 08:13:49 <torpor> lovely!
Aug 07 08:13:52 <kd8ikt> i dont fucking know i've never even looked at neod source
Aug 07 08:13:59 * torpor goes "ooh a lot and crosses his legs so he doesn't wee"
Aug 07 08:14:17 <lindi-> kd8ikt: oh
Aug 07 08:14:48 <rwhitby> XorA: I'll push that now then
Aug 07 08:14:52 <XorA> cool
Aug 07 08:15:06 <lindi-> kd8ikt: but where did you get this  http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/neod?
Aug 07 08:15:10 * XorA needs to extra SRCREV info from his build
Aug 07 08:15:16 <rwhitby> I had to set up a whole new VM so I could run monotone again - I haven't run it in about three weeks or so
Aug 07 08:15:37 <kd8ikt> from teh internet duh
Aug 07 08:15:49 * rwhitby waits for the OE monotone->git flag day ...
Aug 07 08:16:27 <lindi-> kd8ikt: but neod is GPL, you can't distribute it without source?
Aug 07 08:17:21 <kd8ikt> its not my fucking webpage
Aug 07 08:17:26 <lindi-> the binary has string 'problem opening event4' but i can't find that from google
Aug 07 08:17:34 <rwhitby> XorA: FYI, I'm pushing those to monotone.nslu2-linux.org, which won't sync again until monotone.openembedded.org wakes up again
Aug 07 08:17:34 <lindi-> kd8ikt: no need to be rude :(
Aug 07 08:17:43 <XorA> rwhitby: fair enough
Aug 07 08:17:55 <XorA> mmmmm acetone
Aug 07 08:18:16 <kd8ikt> alright youre one more comment away from being /ignore'd
Aug 07 08:18:47 <rwhitby> kd8ikt: pot kettle black?
Aug 07 08:18:49 <lindi-> kd8ikt: i added comment to http://westhoffswelt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html so maybe the web site author replies
Aug 07 08:20:32 <sevenhundred> whoa, my freerunner actually worked! yay
Aug 07 08:24:45 <torpor> sevenhundred: congrats!
Aug 07 08:25:14 <sevenhundred> thanks!
Aug 07 08:29:32 <kd8ikt> char* filename = g_strdup_printf( "/dev/input/event%d", i );
Aug 07 08:30:13 <kd8ikt> :P someone didnt read teh sources
Aug 07 08:31:09 <kd8ikt> *cough* neod buttonactions.c *cough*
Aug 07 08:31:56 <lindi-> kd8ikt: yes ./openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c opens all event devices and then spends 10% cpu time procesing accelometer data here
Aug 07 08:32:04 <lindi-> kd8ikt: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713
Aug 07 08:32:41 <Zork> ueeehm, who made that magic ball?
Aug 07 08:32:48 <Zork> is messes up my neo....
Aug 07 08:32:51 <torpor> itsw great isn't it! 
Aug 07 08:32:52 <torpor> oh
Aug 07 08:32:54 <torpor> i like it. ;)
Aug 07 08:33:07 <Zork> i get a lot of ERROR ERROR: Error magic check failed
Aug 07 08:33:31 <Zork> all in ecore_event_handler_del()
Aug 07 08:33:42 <Zork> input handler is NULL
Aug 07 08:34:02 <kd8ikt> why the fuck did you make a ticket for it?
Aug 07 08:34:15 <kd8ikt> just hack it up then
Aug 07 08:34:58 <rwhitby> kd8ikt: do you need to swear on every line you write?
Aug 07 08:35:08 <Zork> does anyone still have a working neod? maybe if i put it back it will work again
Aug 07 08:35:38 <kd8ikt> yes i have turrets syndrom *cocksucker*
Aug 07 08:35:39 <Zork> i can ssh in
Aug 07 08:36:17 <kd8ikt> excuse me
Aug 07 08:38:34 <Zork> anyone know a sollution?
Aug 07 08:41:42 <torpor> zork just reinstall neod from package.
Aug 07 08:42:34 <ConfidentiaL> when flashing the kernel with dfu-util, what format is the kernel image file?
Aug 07 08:42:54 <sevenhundred> is it possible to see how much power there is in the battery_
Aug 07 08:43:05 <sevenhundred> ?*
Aug 07 08:44:36 <Zork> sevenhundred: apm
Aug 07 08:44:44 <Zork> ConfidentiaL: *.bin
Aug 07 08:45:45 <sevenhundred> zork, thanks
Aug 07 08:50:04 <Zork> seems like the glamo rotation bug is fixed
Aug 07 08:50:16 <sevenhundred> love the little thump you hear and feel when you touch the screen
Aug 07 08:50:57 <ecraven> it is?
Aug 07 08:51:09 * sevenhundred hasn't bought a new phone since the nokia 3110
Aug 07 08:51:26 <sevenhundred> 3310*
Aug 07 08:52:13 <Zork> ecraven: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:35
Aug 07 08:53:20 <ecraven> Zork: great. though it seems there are many more rotation-related problems i didn't even know about ;(
Aug 07 08:54:19 <Zork> true, but it's a beginning
Aug 07 08:54:33 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ref15e4ca0c5e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update 2007.2 software stack versions
Aug 07 08:54:47 <ecraven> cjb: thanks for the fix ;)
Aug 07 08:55:04 <ecraven> Zork: do you have a fixed Xglamo binary? 
Aug 07 08:55:46 <Zork> nope
Aug 07 08:56:32 <Zork> and yeah, thanks cjb!
Aug 07 08:57:57 <Zork> anybody know if it is safe to opkg upgrade the 2007.2 image?
Aug 07 08:58:43 <ozzloy> i just flashed the openmoko with the qtopia image, now i'm getting this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d6785ab4e
Aug 07 08:58:49 <Zork> or knows why the modified neod to run openmoko-eightball messes up my device :(
Aug 07 08:58:56 <ozzloy> and i can't connect to it via usb for information
Aug 07 08:59:07 <ozzloy> but it does indicate that it's charging
Aug 07 08:59:09 <ConfidentiaL> how do I get all the features of om2008.8 ?
Aug 07 09:01:30 * XorA is working on getting the xglamo fix into the builds
Aug 07 09:01:38 <ecraven> XorA: great!
Aug 07 09:02:03 <Zork> gogo XorA
Aug 07 09:02:18 <Zork> btw: my battery is fully charged and only indicates 4.1Volts
Aug 07 09:02:28 <Zork> isn't this a bit low?
Aug 07 09:04:31 <kd8ikt> the one i have now rotates the screen but the aspect stays the same so i have black bars on both sides
Aug 07 09:04:43 <Zork> what image do you use kd8ikt?
Aug 07 09:04:58 <kd8ikt> and :P touchscreen is still off to the left
Aug 07 09:05:18 <kd8ikt> oh i cant remember like 3 days ago buildhost
Aug 07 09:05:46 <ozzloy> aaarrrrgg!!
Aug 07 09:05:49 <ozzloy> gnight
Aug 07 09:07:01 <ozzloy> oh, it appears to be something to do with the battery
Aug 07 09:07:15 <ConfidentiaL> is it possible to install a beta or release candidate or something of om2008.8 now?
Aug 07 09:07:18 <ozzloy> switching battery makes it connect
Aug 07 09:07:28 <grummel> Zork: 4.1Volts for an LiIon is allright
Aug 07 09:07:32 <Zork> ozzloy: i think it is a bug discussed in the mailinglists
Aug 07 09:07:48 <Zork> grummel: but isn't it supposed to be 4.5V?
Aug 07 09:07:56 <ozzloy> Zork: where do i sign up for this mailing list?
Aug 07 09:08:03 <ozzloy> or read archive?
Aug 07 09:08:06 <ozzloy> s
Aug 07 09:08:43 <Zork> ozzloy: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/
Aug 07 09:08:48 <grummel> Zork: AFAIK is der Voltage of the normal LiIon battery 4.1V to 4.2V but with 4.2V you get a lower Lifetime
Aug 07 09:10:38 <Zork> thx grummel
Aug 07 09:10:56 <ConfidentiaL> how do I install om2008.8 from the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz file?
Aug 07 09:10:59 <Zork> i was confused because http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery suggested jump starting it with 4.5V
Aug 07 09:11:18 <Zork> ConfidentiaL: read the flashing your freerunner section on the wiki
Aug 07 09:11:31 <quickdev> FSO requires me to install python cPickle lib. Is there a package?
Aug 07 09:11:37 <Zork> you want the *.jjfs2 file and the kernel (*.bin) file
Aug 07 09:12:16 <Zork> grummel: you wee right: http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf says 4.3 is already overcharge
Aug 07 09:12:50 <ConfidentiaL> Zork: but is it the root filesystem instructions I use?
Aug 07 09:13:38 <ozzloy> Zork: thanks
Aug 07 09:16:00 <Zork> ozzloy: np, i think it will be fixed by tomorrow or it is already fixed today; 
Aug 07 09:16:07 <Zork> llo jOERG_rw
Aug 07 09:17:31 <Zork> anybody looked @http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight ?
Aug 07 09:17:42 <Zork> i like the disassembling part :)
Aug 07 09:18:04 <jOERG_rw> huh, disassembling?
Aug 07 09:18:17 * jOERG_rw peeps
Aug 07 09:18:57 <kd8ikt> i thought the wifi was already using spi
Aug 07 09:21:02 <Zork> I meant the "Publications" section
Aug 07 09:21:29 <jOERG_rw> kd8ikt: wifi is in sd-if
Aug 07 09:21:59 <jOERG_rw> IIRC
Aug 07 09:22:45 <XorA> it is
Aug 07 09:24:52 <rwhitby> the iphone file needs a chmod on it
Aug 07 09:25:24 <rwhitby> oops, it's now been fixed.
Aug 07 09:25:30 <Bish> what iphone!?
Aug 07 09:29:52 <Zork> opkg upgrade wants to alter a file:
Aug 07 09:29:52 <Zork> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk
Aug 07 09:29:59 <Zork> Configuration file '/etc/opkg/all-feed.conf'
Aug 07 09:30:48 <Zork>  *** all-feed.conf (Y/I/N/O/D) [default=N] ?D
Aug 07 09:30:48 <Zork> --- /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf-opkg.backup Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Aug 07 09:30:48 <Zork> +++ /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf     Thu Aug  7 00:11:33 2008
Aug 07 09:30:48 <Zork> @@ -1 +1 @@
Aug 07 09:30:48 <Zork> -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all
Aug 07 09:30:49 <Zork> +src/gz om-dev-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all
Aug 07 09:30:52 <Zork> are these correct?
Aug 07 09:31:00 * kd8ikt kills Zork 
Aug 07 09:31:03 <XorA> yes
Aug 07 09:31:33 <Zork> what kd8ikt? i t hought i read somewhere that there was a problem with new feeds, just wanted to be sure...
Aug 07 09:31:36 <Zork> thanks XorA
Aug 07 09:31:56 <kd8ikt> take a good look at those diffs
Aug 07 09:32:25 <kd8ikt> jesus didnt someone else paste this crap earlier?
Aug 07 09:32:38 <Zork> i'm only awake about 50min
Aug 07 09:33:10 <kd8ikt> hmm i dont think its healthy to sleep 23hrs a day
Aug 07 09:33:28 <Zork> :)
Aug 07 09:59:00 <sevenhundred> is it safe to use an external charger and usb simultaneously?
Aug 07 09:59:40 <Bish> external charger ?
Aug 07 09:59:49 <Zork> he means wall charger
Aug 07 10:00:06 <Bish> there is only 1 usb port oo
Aug 07 10:00:17 <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
Aug 07 10:00:37 <Zork> usb Y cable or somehting like it maybe
Aug 07 10:00:42 <rwhitby> you could use a Y cable, and it should be safe enough, assuming the host port on the PC doesn't mind
Aug 07 10:00:46 <Zork> or simple usb hub
Aug 07 10:00:53 <Bish> oO ..
Aug 07 10:00:57 <Bish> use wlan
Aug 07 10:01:00 <Bish> -> solved
Aug 07 10:01:07 <sevenhundred> Bish> oh. Doh XD
Aug 07 10:01:11 <mjr> sevenhundred, with a y cable, you can enable neo's host mode without enabling the power output. But you'd better be sure not to enable it ;)
Aug 07 10:01:17 <Bish> sevenhundred: :D
Aug 07 10:01:57 <sevenhundred> thanks!
Aug 07 10:02:48 <mjr> (That is, I'm not sure what reacts how if you feed in power while also telling the neo to feed out power. Not necessarily bad, but...)
Aug 07 10:04:32 <torpor> yo
Aug 07 10:04:53 <torpor> anyone got an ultimate y-cable built yet?  one with power supply, i mean?
Aug 07 10:06:22 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r38575d282149 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] increment xglamo to the rotation fixed version
Aug 07 10:06:36 <XorA> there, rotation fixed xglamo is done
Aug 07 10:06:42 <XorA> thanks to community
Aug 07 10:07:04 <mjr> \Å“/
Aug 07 10:07:08 <Marcel_M> torpor:  sure here are pictures from my old cable http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/pictures/
Aug 07 10:07:12 <mjr> umm, I'm deformed
Aug 07 10:07:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke * r4591 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/arfile.py: 
Aug 07 10:07:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks.
Aug 07 10:07:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: Closes bug #4350.
Aug 07 10:07:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: This was authored by mwester and comes from OE.
Aug 07 10:09:50 <XorA> ok guys, go and rotate your glamos with joy
Aug 07 10:11:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke * r4592 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/opkg.py: [opkg-utils] Print the "Tags" field. Patch from OE and authored by John Lee
Aug 07 10:13:57 <kd8ikt> noshit XorA ?
Aug 07 10:14:03 <kd8ikt> i'll give it a shot
Aug 07 10:15:18 <stefan_schmidt> ~praise cjb for the glamo fix
Aug 07 10:15:19 <apt> All hail cjb for the glamo fix!
Aug 07 10:15:43 * Tanuva hails cjb for the glamo fix!
Aug 07 10:15:50 <kd8ikt> is it in bitbake or a pkg?
Aug 07 10:16:02 <XorA> in bitbake, next nightly will put it in ipk
Aug 07 10:16:11 * XorA can upload a package
Aug 07 10:17:02 <XorA> http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 10:29:21 <kd8ikt> holy shit noway
Aug 07 10:29:41 <kd8ikt> too cool it 
Aug 07 10:29:41 <rwhitby> kd8ikt: is your level of swearing accepted on other technical IRC channels you frequent?
Aug 07 10:30:00 <ecraven> kd8ikt: could you upload the binary of Xglamo anywhere?
Aug 07 10:30:06 <zash> gsm-question: how does the phonenumber get reported on a incomming call?
Aug 07 10:30:39 <kd8ikt> sorry rwhitby 
Aug 07 10:30:53 <kd8ikt> i'll treat this like ham radio then
Aug 07 10:31:28 <kd8ikt> ... ecraven did you not see the link XorA posted?
Aug 07 10:31:39 <XorA> http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 10:31:45 <kd8ikt> cause the bin is in there
Aug 07 10:31:51 <ecraven> thanks ;) 
Aug 07 10:31:51 <mjr> (what the fuck is up with a little swearing)
Aug 07 10:32:11 <kd8ikt> its not very profesional 
Aug 07 10:33:28 <trickie|work> well somtimes it can come across as agressive, especially as most channels try to limit it
Aug 07 10:33:55 <trickie|work> i personally don't care, but for some people it ruins the 'mood'
Aug 07 10:35:01 <Zork> I also have nothing against it...
Aug 07 10:35:10 <Zork> but hey if it offends people.. we should do our best :)
Aug 07 10:35:10 <kd8ikt> tried changing the mac address of the wifi card now it wont connect :P
Aug 07 10:35:25 <phrozen77> Zork, do th ebest to offend them?
Aug 07 10:35:26 <phrozen77> :)
Aug 07 10:35:28 <kd8ikt> to offend people? or not to?
Aug 07 10:35:52 <Zork> not to :)
Aug 07 10:36:08 <Zork> or maybe we can have one day that is curse-friendly?
Aug 07 10:36:15 <Zork> like casual-friday or something :)
Aug 07 10:36:16 <phrozen77> make that sunday kthx
Aug 07 10:36:20 <phrozen77> the lord will appreciate it
Aug 07 10:36:21 <phrozen77> :D
Aug 07 10:37:33 * rwhitby simply thinks that swearing in IRC should be reserved for when you really want some idiot to know that they've pissed you off.  If you use it in every second sentence, it kind of looses it's impact, don't you think?
Aug 07 10:37:47 <phrozen77> sort of, yeah
Aug 07 10:37:50 <phrozen77> fuck!
Aug 07 10:38:09 * phrozen77 hides
Aug 07 10:38:10 <Zork> i can't install the ipk XorA gave; i tried -force-downgrade and force-install and -force-overwrite, something else i could try?
Aug 07 10:38:36 * kd8ikt did force-overwrite the first try and went "swimmingly"
Aug 07 10:38:38 <XorA> Zork: define cant install
Aug 07 10:39:25 <Zork> XorA: http://pastebin.com/m2689cbff
Aug 07 10:40:38 <kd8ikt> did i forget to mention i wget got it and installed it wwhile it sat on it localy?
Aug 07 10:41:48 <kd8ikt> so howd you hack this lil fix in? i'm dying to know without doing a diff
Aug 07 10:42:18 <Zork> i'll try that
Aug 07 10:42:23 <XorA> Zork: you have an ancient image
Aug 07 10:42:34 <XorA> Zork: the packagenumbers are no longer compatible
Aug 07 10:42:45 <mjr> rwhitby, fair enough, just from my perspective, as far as I could see, kd8ikt was mostly shitting and crapping, which hardly are proper swears to start with, and from my perspective he was using them nicely in their context too so ;) but ah well
Aug 07 10:42:51 <Zork> XorA: i did an opkg upgrade an hour ago...
Aug 07 10:43:05 <XorA> Zork: you will have to opkg remove --force-depends xserver-kdrive-glamo first
Aug 07 10:43:14 <XorA> Zork: yes, but you started with something ancient
Aug 07 10:43:30 <Zork> ok
Aug 07 10:43:37 <XorA> not the difference in version number formats
Aug 07 10:43:40 <MrShlee> so.. someone ported kdrive to use the glamo for the framebuffer?
Aug 07 10:43:43 <Zork> thre wil probably be other "ancient" components then also?
Aug 07 10:44:03 <XorA> opkg list_installed | grep git should give you a list of stuff to double check
Aug 07 10:44:37 * kd8ikt has bad diahria
Aug 07 10:44:40 <ecraven> MrShlee: no, cjb fixed the bug with input and xrandr
Aug 07 10:45:07 <kd8ikt> diahrea
Aug 07 10:45:23 <rwhitby> mjr: from my perspective, even that level causes my inbuilt prejudices (which may be right or wrong relative to someone else's perspective) to not want to go out of my way to interact with or help that person.  No biggie, I just start to ignore those people :-)
Aug 07 10:45:33 <kd8ikt> diarrhea
Aug 07 10:45:38 <kd8ikt> thats a tough one to spell
Aug 07 10:46:31 <rysiek> joł
Aug 07 10:46:47 <mjr> rwhitby, no accounting for taste, I suppose :]
Aug 07 10:46:53 <Zork> XorA: seems like it still doesn't work that way, it tries to install kdrive from the rabenfrost feeds: http://pastebin.com/d457eccef
Aug 07 10:47:05 <rwhitby> mjr: nod
Aug 07 10:47:29 <Zork> lol 
Aug 07 10:47:29 <Zork> kernel-module-sg - 2:2.6.24+git29+2c55337cb0cde08203df321a108409b7e33e6904-r2 -
Aug 07 10:47:38 <Zork> sorry (wrong copy paste)
Aug 07 10:47:41 <XorA> Zork: disable those feed then
Aug 07 10:48:37 <rwhitby> I run a couple of channels related to nslu2-linux, and have found a high correlation of swearing to people who end up being poisonous to the good working of the channel.  I'm not making such a judgement here, just letting you know the experience that I'm coming from.  #openmoko may well be completely different from #nslu2-linux.
Aug 07 10:48:51 <rysiek> hmmm... just discovered that dropbear supports ssh -X (X11 forwarding) - *man* it's convenient to work with them messages from my laptop!
Aug 07 10:49:00 <rysiek> I think that needs to get into the wiki
Aug 07 10:49:26 <rwhitby> (and I have no authority to tell anyone else how to act in channel here of course)
Aug 07 10:50:19 <mjr> rwhitby, I'm not disagreeing that constant swearing is a distraction, just did a knee-jerk because of the low level of swearing you already reacted to
Aug 07 10:50:44 <rwhitby> mjr: fair enough
Aug 07 10:52:02 <rwhitby> perhaps it was kd8ikt calling me a c*cks*ck*r which tipped the balance for me ... ;-)
Aug 07 10:52:19 * XorA bites chicked heads all the time
Aug 07 10:52:26 <XorA> chicken
Aug 07 10:52:36 <kd8ikt> i didnt call you that
Aug 07 10:52:42 <Zork> yeah, but kd8ikt has the "turret" syndrom :p:p so he's dangerous :)
Aug 07 10:52:47 <kd8ikt> that was my tourettes kicking it
Aug 07 10:53:05 <kd8ikt> in*
Aug 07 10:53:17 <kd8ikt> it/in
Aug 07 10:53:25 <rwhitby> yeah, IRC tourrettes.  we should do a donation drive to help find a cure ...
Aug 07 10:53:52 <XorA> nah, just a channel swear box donated to charity
Aug 07 10:54:03 <XorA> 5$ by paypal for every swear
Aug 07 10:54:07 <kd8ikt> ok more to the point that x works in landscape!
Aug 07 10:54:19 <kd8ikt> make a kitty?
Aug 07 10:54:27 <kd8ikt> a swear jar
Aug 07 10:54:28 <mjr> rwhitby, right, didn't notice that since it was before. Certainly more vulgar than shit or crap, but, well, humorous to me. But I suppose with humor, as in most things, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him suck your cock ;)
Aug 07 10:55:14 <kd8ikt> now... an accellerometer reader that messes with xranr ;)
Aug 07 10:55:39 <dns53> don't go to #linuxoutlaws, they have a crapbot
Aug 07 10:55:40 <rysiek> kd8ikt: that would actually be quite easy to script, wouldn't it?..
Aug 07 10:55:41 <mjr> But that's it for me of that, and no, I don't intend to start profusely swearing
Aug 07 10:55:52 <bumbl> XorA: paypal sucks
Aug 07 10:56:15 <XorA> bumbl: 5$ :-D
Aug 07 10:56:32 <Zork> since rwhitby mentionned it there is a lot more swearing in here :-D
Aug 07 10:56:44 <rysiek> XorA: I think he meant "paypal sucks money from us"
Aug 07 10:56:46 <rysiek> ;)
Aug 07 11:00:42 <dns53> so what do ppl think of the asu?
Aug 07 11:01:21 <bumbl> dns53: where can you download it?
Aug 07 11:01:29 <bumbl> the version of the buildhost
Aug 07 11:01:32 <bumbl> is not asu
Aug 07 11:01:34 <dns53> it is the qtopia x11 image
Aug 07 11:01:38 <bumbl> according to raster#
Aug 07 11:01:43 <dns53> it isn't?
Aug 07 11:01:56 <MrShlee> rwhitby: Any idea how many people have confirmed payments for the second Australia bulk order?
Aug 07 11:02:18 <bumbl> dns53: wait i'll get you the url
Aug 07 11:03:27 <bumbl> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528198
Aug 07 11:03:27 <rwhitby> dns53: no, buildhost builds from the wrong branch for ASU
Aug 07 11:03:37 <phrozen77> hm
Aug 07 11:03:47 <phrozen77> anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume?
Aug 07 11:03:57 <rwhitby> it's close-ish, but is definitely not indicative of the state of ASU
Aug 07 11:04:09 <rwhitby> (e.g. it has the fso theme, which is not in ASU)
Aug 07 11:04:23 <rwhitby> MrShlee: no idea, I'm not involved in that.
Aug 07 11:04:46 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd3b7be9eef1f 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG
Aug 07 11:05:01 <MrShlee> rwhitby: Must have the wrong name. Sorry
Aug 07 11:05:01 <kd8ikt> it was the furious use of my nick before every fricken question that got to me
Aug 07 11:06:07 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc5b4d97c812b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: document array format of subscriber_numbers property in GetSimInfo().
Aug 07 11:06:30 <kd8ikt> kd8ikt: this, and kd8ikt: that kd8ikt: omfg i'm telling the FOSS lawyers on you cause the source for neod isnt right in front of me
Aug 07 11:07:44 <kd8ikt> christ almighty take 5min to look through the source for neod wich is amazingly small, i'm sure you can hack out a way to do it without the source
Aug 07 11:07:59 <kd8ikt> the modified source*
Aug 07 11:09:19 <kd8ikt> and its not like it was my binary i just poped up a link to someone that hacked it for their 8ball app
Aug 07 11:09:36 <kd8ikt> i cant believe i'm still fricken talking about it
Aug 07 11:10:13 <Dave> cay dee eight!
Aug 07 11:11:02 <bumbl> Davy
Aug 07 11:14:29 <lindi-> rwhitby: mokomakefile tries to get http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git..tar.gz during build and that host is down :(
Aug 07 11:14:46 <rwhitby> lindi-: yep, it should timeout eventually, but it is very annoying.
Aug 07 11:15:06 <rwhitby> when it times out, it will use git directly instead of a tarball
Aug 07 11:16:08 <alphaone> lindi-: You should also be able to speed things up by issuing killall wget on another console
Aug 07 11:17:18 <Dave> Hey bumble :)
Aug 07 11:20:09 <Zork> i installed the latest http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
Aug 07 11:20:24 <Zork> i have a black bar in the middle of the screen, is this normal??
Aug 07 11:20:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8b6771382308 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue.
Aug 07 11:20:59 <dns53> i have the same black bar
Aug 07 11:21:40 <Dave> What's new, Zorkman? :D
Aug 07 11:21:46 <bumbl> Dave: how's life today?
Aug 07 11:21:52 <Zork> Dave: a black bar
Aug 07 11:21:58 <Dave> Bumble, hot, amazing, yet complicated.
Aug 07 11:22:04 <Zork> Dave: and openmoko-eightball, but it broke my 2007.2
Aug 07 11:22:10 <phrozen77> anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume?
Aug 07 11:22:11 <Dave> Sounds like a somewhat weak description of the Freerunner actually :P
Aug 07 11:22:20 <kd8ikt> like a girls gone wild black bar?
Aug 07 11:22:26 <Dave> zorkman?
Aug 07 11:22:30 <Dave> kd8 haha yeah
Aug 07 11:22:32 <kd8ikt> or like a jazz joint
Aug 07 11:22:47 <kd8ikt> jazz club
Aug 07 11:23:59 <Dave> Zorkman, what's openmoko-eightball and what did it do to your device?
Aug 07 11:24:13 <Zork> i had to install a new neod and that made it not want to boot into X
Aug 07 11:24:16 <bumbl> Dave: openmoko is the best app for the openmoko
Aug 07 11:24:40 <Zork> Dave: http://westhoffs-welt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html
Aug 07 11:24:42 <bumbl> Zork: ssh to neo and replace the bad neod with your backup
Aug 07 11:24:51 <Zork> bumbl: yeah i did that, it worked
Aug 07 11:24:56 <bumbl> s/openmoko/eightball
Aug 07 11:25:19 <kd8ikt> hm.. nokidding that killed your phone?
Aug 07 11:26:30 <Zork> well, not "killed" i could ssh into it
Aug 07 11:26:53 <Zork> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1732#comment:1
Aug 07 11:28:03 <koenigjm> Has anyone been able to get GSM configured properly?  If so, is there any reading you could recommend to help me get mine straightened out?
Aug 07 11:28:49 <kd8ikt> GPRS?
Aug 07 11:29:30 <matholio> hmm, what with this black bar thing ?
Aug 07 11:29:44 <Zork> it's gone now :)
Aug 07 11:29:51 <Zork> but can't ssh into the phone, will try a reboot
Aug 07 11:29:51 <matholio> mine has not.
Aug 07 11:30:10 <matholio> I can ssh, but have a black bar.
Aug 07 11:30:45 <Zork> also the aux key --> screenlock and powerbutton --> suspend don't seem to work
Aug 07 11:32:43 <Zork> mmm, when i boot: no black bar
Aug 07 11:32:50 <Zork> when i instert usb cable ==> black bar
Aug 07 11:33:37 <koenigjm> kd8ikt:  Yeah, sorry GPRS
Aug 07 11:33:50 <bumbl> Zork: I had that black bar yesterday
Aug 07 11:34:01 <bumbl> I just clicked on it and it was gone
Aug 07 11:34:19 <Zork> same here
Aug 07 11:35:05 <Zork> bumbl: did you have to correct the feeds?
Aug 07 11:35:24 <bumbl> ?
Aug 07 11:35:35 <bumbl> I corrected them yes
Aug 07 11:35:42 <bumbl> but the black bar was there before
Aug 07 11:36:00 <matholio> what are the correct feeds for 2008.08 ?
Aug 07 11:36:06 <Zork> the question didn't have anything to do with the black bar anymore, it was just that the feeds are wrong here
Aug 07 11:36:09 <matholio> oh my black bar goes too. good. begone.
Aug 07 11:37:33 <Zork> bumbl: which feeds do we need?
Aug 07 11:37:56 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r771535cbaa38 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix wrong result direction in SendGenericSimCommand() and SendRestrictedSimCommand. Thanks Ainulindale for spotting!
Aug 07 11:40:48 <bumbl> Zork: 
Aug 07 11:40:52 <bumbl> I think these ones
Aug 07 11:40:55 <bumbl> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/
Aug 07 11:41:19 <ike> Hello...
Aug 07 11:41:24 <ike> Is this "good" FATAL?
Aug 07 11:41:25 <ike> Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753
Aug 07 11:41:25 <ike> FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device
Aug 07 11:41:28 <ike> Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-s3c24xx
Aug 07 11:42:57 <phrozen77> anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume?
Aug 07 11:43:15 <SpeedEvil> Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible.
Aug 07 11:43:24 <SpeedEvil> still a bit broken.
Aug 07 11:43:53 <phrozen77> ok, sounds good
Aug 07 11:44:01 <phrozen77> SpeedEvil, did my screen protector ship yet? 
Aug 07 11:45:00 <SpeedEvil> phrozen77: yes - however I have some concerns about the way it was shipped.
Aug 07 11:45:10 <phrozen77> ah?
Aug 07 11:45:14 <SpeedEvil> I used - for the first time - a online postage printing service.
Aug 07 11:45:22 <SpeedEvil> And I had a somewhat dodgy printer.
Aug 07 11:45:47 <SpeedEvil> I assumed that as it scanned OK at the counter, it'd scan OK en-route.
Aug 07 11:45:54 <SpeedEvil> It seems some may have gotten lost.
Aug 07 11:46:01 <phrozen77> :O
Aug 07 11:46:10 <SpeedEvil> I'll re-mail yours
Aug 07 11:46:28 <phrozen77> thatd be great, thank you
Aug 07 11:46:49 <SpeedEvil> Sorry about this. I'll use my poorly legible scribble printer that's never failed before.
Aug 07 11:47:03 <phrozen77> no worries, dont even have the FR yet
Aug 07 11:53:32 <Dave> Speedevil, terrible handwriting? :)
Aug 07 11:54:06 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 07 11:54:45 <Dave> Zorkman
Aug 07 11:55:03 <Dave> Wait wait wait, was someone implying there is a GOOD neod out there!?
Aug 07 11:55:13 <Zork> llo
Aug 07 11:55:36 <kd8ikt> yeah i was playing with scribble on qtopia and realized i cant hand write for shit
Aug 07 11:55:39 <Zork> a good neod? if it fails: just -force-remove it and reinstall again with opkg
Aug 07 11:56:45 <Dave> kd8, haha, it's sad you needed a freerunner to tell you that :P
Aug 07 11:56:49 * Zorkman likes the new pages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 11:57:03 <Dave> zorkman, did you do that, have you had any difficulty with the replaced neod?
Aug 07 11:57:20 <Dave> Did eightball actually work? What were you talking about earlier when you mentioned a crashed freerunner? :)
Aug 07 11:57:30 <Zorkman> the neod from the eight-ball stuff made my freerunner unable to boot into X
Aug 07 11:58:35 <kd8ikt> it is a few weeks old
Aug 07 12:03:16 <Dave> Who's old?
Aug 07 12:03:18 <Dave> You?
Aug 07 12:03:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4b09ed97b3ef 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue.
Aug 07 12:04:12 <Dave> Well, we already assumed that :P
Aug 07 12:04:14 <matholio> someone wanted the feeds?    http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk
Aug 07 12:04:17 <matholio> I think.
Aug 07 12:05:12 <matholio> is there any way to make opkg download but not install ?
Aug 07 12:05:24 <Zorkman> dowload :)
Aug 07 12:05:54 * matholio slaps head
Aug 07 12:06:33 * Dave por Zorkman
Aug 07 12:07:27 <Zorkman> yes Dave?
Aug 07 12:09:36 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rde02c3b12822 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592
Aug 07 12:11:49 <kd8ikt> what are you doing dave
Aug 07 12:13:08 <kd8ikt> I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. 
Aug 07 12:14:06 <zash> is this how the headset-port is wired: http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/motorola_headset_pinout.shtml ?
Aug 07 12:14:29 <zash> because that feels backwards
Aug 07 12:15:47 <matholio> anyone know how to clear an opkg lock ? 'Could not obtain administrative lock'
Aug 07 12:16:40 <zash> matholio: check that there is no other opkg holding the lock
Aug 07 12:16:48 <koenigjm> Is there a good gps/driving-directions app?
Aug 07 12:17:12 <matholio> zash: there was but I ctrl-z 
Aug 07 12:17:19 <kd8ikt> navit if you can get it to work koenigjm 
Aug 07 12:17:26 <zash> matholio: ctrl-z = suspend
Aug 07 12:17:32 <kd8ikt> do i have to enable accelerometer now?
Aug 07 12:17:49 <kd8ikt> cause they dont look like they are on by deafult even with neod killed
Aug 07 12:18:00 <zash> matholio: type fg if you still have the same terminal
Aug 07 12:18:15 <Tanuva> koenigjm: there's navit which has routing, but I didn't get it to run yet. Others did.
Aug 07 12:18:38 <zash> matholio: and then ctrl-c if you want it dead
Aug 07 12:18:45 <Schaeuble> is there any mpd.ipkg out there?
Aug 07 12:19:03 <Tanuva> Schaeuble: we should really kick you for that nick :P
Aug 07 12:19:15 <koenigjm> thanks, I am looking at a couple guides...looks like a fair share of work...but worth it imo ;)
Aug 07 12:19:24 <Schaeuble> Tanuva: :D 
Aug 07 12:19:32 <lindi-> rwhitby: org.openmoko.dev failed to build with '| arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c:88:44: error: ../plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h: No such file or directory' :(
Aug 07 12:19:33 <Tanuva> *g*
Aug 07 12:19:35 <Bish> Tanuva: it was already registred, im scared :D
Aug 07 12:19:49 <Tanuva> he's already watching us all
Aug 07 12:19:57 <Bish> just the german ones :/
Aug 07 12:20:00 <rwhitby> lindi-: XorA fixed that just a while ago
Aug 07 12:20:07 <rwhitby> make update and rebuild
Aug 07 12:20:21 <lindi-> rwhitby: make update && make openmoko-devel-image?
Aug 07 12:20:23 <Bish> so .. i ask again :) , is there any mpd.ipkg out there?
Aug 07 12:20:28 <rwhitby> lindi-: yep
Aug 07 12:20:29 <Tanuva> Bish: oh, right. makes me wonder how he would seperate german logs from the rest of the world...
Aug 07 12:20:40 * bumbl is happy. Stage3 is waiting for me.
Aug 07 12:20:41 <Tanuva> s/seperate/separate/
Aug 07 12:20:42 <apt> Tanuva meant: Bish: oh, right. makes me wonder how he would separate german logs from the rest of the world...
Aug 07 12:21:01 <Bish> Tanuva: ... just view the connection of german ISP's , where is the problem
Aug 07 12:21:03 <Dave> :)
Aug 07 12:21:09 <Bish> bumbl: what do u mean with stage3?
Aug 07 12:21:18 <Dave> Zorkman, so the neod replacement isn't really good? :P
Aug 07 12:21:23 <Bish> apt: haha, that bot is great
Aug 07 12:21:24 <bumbl> Bish: gentoo
Aug 07 12:21:24 <apt> Bish: what are you talking about?
Aug 07 12:21:27 <Tanuva> hm. okay, one doesn't have to look at the actual irc server
Aug 07 12:21:29 <matholio> zash: fixed. brutally.
Aug 07 12:21:34 <Bish> bumbl: for FR?
Aug 07 12:21:35 <bumbl> I get my notebook today
Aug 07 12:21:42 <Bish> ah i c :P
Aug 07 12:21:48 <Bish> s/c/see
Aug 07 12:21:52 <bumbl> Bish: for the freerunner you have to do a stage 1
Aug 07 12:22:01 <Bish> bumbl: yeah im to lazy for that
Aug 07 12:22:09 <Bish> s/lazy/blob
Aug 07 12:22:14 <Bish> :(
Aug 07 12:22:18 <Bish> s/lazy/blob/
Aug 07 12:22:25 <dbmoodb_> XorA: thank you ish
Aug 07 12:22:25 <bumbl> I might do it if I would have time
Aug 07 12:22:38 <Bish> bumbl: maybe i will it do in qemu sometime
Aug 07 12:22:39 <Tanuva> Bish: that only works for your last msg which was ":(" in this case :)
Aug 07 12:22:51 <Bish> yeah sure
Aug 07 12:22:56 <Bish> s/sure/not sure/
Aug 07 12:22:58 <apt> Bish meant: yeah not sure
Aug 07 12:23:03 <bumbl> Bish: afaik qemu is even slower than the freerunner
Aug 07 12:23:04 <Bish> ah i see
Aug 07 12:23:08 <bumbl> icecream is the key
Aug 07 12:23:15 <Bish> depends on my cpu , uh ? :D
Aug 07 12:23:28 <Bish> bumbl: icecc? or what do u mean?
Aug 07 12:23:33 <dbmoodb_> bumbl: its not slow... try another distro
Aug 07 12:23:41 <bumbl> Bish: yes
Aug 07 12:24:09 <Bish> bumbl: but first of i all i'll need a running system to use icecc
Aug 07 12:24:34 <bumbl> dbmoodb_: never tried qemu, just that what I heard
Aug 07 12:24:52 <dbmoodb_> bumbl: sure... but i find debian is fast
Aug 07 12:25:30 <bumbl> who needs debian
Aug 07 12:25:34 <Bish> bumbl: the stop spreading rumors 
Aug 07 12:25:49 <Bish> i dont think that my +6000 is not able to emulate a 500 mhz cpu
Aug 07 12:25:53 <ecraven> bumbl: me ;)
Aug 07 12:26:04 <ecraven> Bish: did you try qemu?
Aug 07 12:26:15 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: still can't compile linphone
Aug 07 12:26:37 <Ainulindale> Any dbus expert here ?
Aug 07 12:26:46 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: not surprising, I don't think it's had a lot of love in OE
Aug 07 12:27:03 <Ainulindale> I have a simple question about asynchronous calls using dbus-glib : whether it frees its data or not
Aug 07 12:27:12 <dbmoodb_> !fsck can we get a fscking voip client or are people afraid of voip?
Aug 07 12:27:27 <ecraven> is there a way to interface with dbus via a unix domain socket? or do i absolutely *need* to use libdbus?
Aug 07 12:27:37 * XorA wonders what dbmoodb_ blames him for
Aug 07 12:27:46 <dbmoodb_> XorA: blamed
Aug 07 12:27:50 <dbmoodb_> don't any more
Aug 07 12:28:52 <bumbl> XorA: you are an openmoko offical? do you now where to get a snapshot of the actual asu
Aug 07 12:28:56 <dbmoodb_> but seeing your a member of staff i could place an order for a conspiracy theory involving the use of voip over wifi and specific payments from certain companies. just kidding :)
Aug 07 12:29:01 <bumbl> s/now/know/
Aug 07 12:29:02 <apt> bumbl meant: XorA: you are an openmoko offical? do you know where to get a snapshot of the actual asu
Aug 07 12:29:18 <XorA> bumbl: you have patience as the ASU team irons it flat
Aug 07 12:29:29 <bumbl> ahh ok
Aug 07 12:29:35 <XorA> bumbl: its almost there from what I heard last
Aug 07 12:29:41 <rwhitby> bumbl: you can build it yourself using mokomakefile and the correct branch
Aug 07 12:29:50 <rwhitby> all the sources are fully public
Aug 07 12:29:57 <bumbl> rwhitby: I know
Aug 07 12:30:03 <rwhitby> then go to it!
Aug 07 12:30:05 <bumbl> but I have to build mokomakefile first
Aug 07 12:30:19 <bumbl> which I can only do after I get my laptop back
Aug 07 12:30:25 <bumbl> + install gentoo on it
Aug 07 12:30:31 <bumbl> this takes time
Aug 07 12:30:43 <rwhitby> well, how can you fix the bugs in ASU if you can't build the image?
Aug 07 12:30:59 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 07 12:31:05 <bumbl> rwhitby: at least I could report them
Aug 07 12:31:10 <dbmoodb_> XorA: is 2008.8 official / released --- anyone in here used / using it ?
Aug 07 12:31:27 <rwhitby> bumbl: that is true, but I expect they want to fix all they can in the next 24 hours before they start getting external reports
Aug 07 12:31:35 <XorA> dbmoodb_: wait for the announcement
Aug 07 12:31:37 <mattwj2002> hey guys
Aug 07 12:32:02 <si-m1> dbmoodb_: its not too usable yet, lacks some general stuff like the power-menu
Aug 07 12:32:27 <rwhitby> si-m1: are you sure you're running ASU, and not the bogus image that's currently on buildhost?
Aug 07 12:32:33 <bumbl> from which branch are the asu builds with the flower @ buildhost.openmoko.org
Aug 07 12:32:36 <rwhitby> if you see a flower, it's not ASU
Aug 07 12:32:39 <si-m1> rwhitby: ah, probably
Aug 07 12:32:48 <rwhitby> bumbl: the wrong branch
Aug 07 12:32:57 <rwhitby> hence the flower
Aug 07 12:33:01 <si-m1> where's the non-bogus one? :)
Aug 07 12:33:04 <bumbl> rwhitby: yes I know I read the thread @ devel list
Aug 07 12:33:25 <rwhitby> si-m1: you can build one at any time, or you can wait for the binary release tomorrow
Aug 07 12:33:33 <si-m1> oh, nice
Aug 07 12:33:52 <rwhitby> (dunno which timezone though)
Aug 07 12:34:40 <dbmoodb_> ah ... does the openmoko freerunner have irda ?
Aug 07 12:34:43 <rwhitby> XorA: you really should get them to remove those bogus images
Aug 07 12:34:46 <Tanuva> dbmoodb_: no
Aug 07 12:34:53 <Tanuva> dbmoodb_: but you could use some irda usb dongle
Aug 07 12:35:32 <dbmoodb_> *cough* but i would need to build a module for it 
Aug 07 12:35:50 <Tanuva> that's the part I don't know anything about :D
Aug 07 12:36:19 <dbmoodb_> -- i wish i could use my usb wifi card -- it is linux drivers its an rt73... but there is no module and i havent had anyluck building one for it 
Aug 07 12:36:32 <rwhitby> XorA: looks like gst-plugins-ugly needs a sane srcrev bump too
Aug 07 12:36:39 <mattwj2002> man I would love to buy a Neo Freerun
Aug 07 12:36:43 <Tanuva> dbmoodb_: why would you want to do that since the fr has wifi?
Aug 07 12:36:54 <rwhitby> tv remote?
Aug 07 12:36:54 <mattwj2002> I just wish data plans weren't so expensive
Aug 07 12:37:32 <dbmoodb_> Tanuva: well.... the rt73 is a wifi card that has monitor mode, injection .... and a bigger antenna 
Aug 07 12:37:36 <rwhitby> mattwj2002: I bet your plans are much much cheaper than mine
Aug 07 12:37:43 <Tanuva> dbmoodb_: ah :)
Aug 07 12:37:59 <dbmoodb_> its also faster i think... not sure on the moko
Aug 07 12:38:09 * rwhitby presents http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pH8FtEJElarzjZCy7CKj8ag&hl=en as a testament to expensive Australian data plans
Aug 07 12:38:24 <mattwj2002> well for AT&T they want to charge $0.01 per KB
Aug 07 12:38:25 <mattwj2002> :O
Aug 07 12:38:29 <rwhitby> luxury
Aug 07 12:38:32 <mattwj2002> D:
Aug 07 12:38:47 <mattwj2002> that is $10 for a MB
Aug 07 12:39:03 <Dave> roflneod
Aug 07 12:39:04 <mattwj2002> yeah it is....I just thought it would be nice for google maps and such
Aug 07 12:39:26 <rwhitby> I wish I could get a $10/mb plan
Aug 07 12:39:42 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: we really should set up some small / link into a small non-for profit geeky oranisation and fix the state of gprs $$$
Aug 07 12:39:48 <zash> mattwj2002: 10 USD per MB?
Aug 07 12:40:06 <mattwj2002> yup
Aug 07 12:40:14 <rwhitby> mattwj2002: don't you mean GB?
Aug 07 12:40:37 <rwhitby> oh no, you meant MB
Aug 07 12:40:52 <mattwj2002> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT#Data_Access_Plans
Aug 07 12:41:06 <Tanuva> wtf! exposure finally runs! I never had that yet...
Aug 07 12:41:15 <zash> my prepaid has like ~3 USD/MB (20 sek)
Aug 07 12:41:23 <bumbl> Tanuva: not?
Aug 07 12:41:36 <Tanuva> bumbl: nope
Aug 07 12:41:44 <dbmoodb_> zash: ??? i thought you use people got unlimited data on...certain plans...
Aug 07 12:41:47 <bumbl> exposure fails to connect to wpa2 though
Aug 07 12:42:12 <dbmoodb_> bumbl: what is exposure ?
Aug 07 12:42:24 <zash> dbmoodb_: prepaid, and i cant use any data on my 3310
Aug 07 12:42:29 <Tanuva> dbmoodb_: a settings gui
Aug 07 12:42:33 * SpeedEvil hugs t-mobile (UK)
Aug 07 12:42:46 * mjr hugs saunalahti (Finland)
Aug 07 12:42:57 <dbmoodb_> sure thing.... 
Aug 07 12:43:03 * dbmoodb_ still 
Aug 07 12:43:12 <dbmoodb_> !fsck over no voip client 
Aug 07 12:43:24 <SpeedEvil> 10 quid/megabyte, but capped at 1 pound a day, and you can buy a 5 day pass for 2.50
Aug 07 12:43:38 <bumbl> dbmoodb_: the asu replacement for that what you get when you press the power button on 2007.2 + a configuration dialog
Aug 07 12:44:09 <mattwj2002> I still won't mind getting a Neo Freerun even if I didn't have a data plan
Aug 07 12:44:11 <mattwj2002> :)
Aug 07 12:44:15 * Tanuva just found out what people complaining about a black bar actually ment
Aug 07 12:44:17 <mattwj2002> I love open source :D
Aug 07 12:45:46 <lindi-> rwhitby: now it fails with fatal: failed to unpack tree object 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79
Aug 07 12:46:00 * rysiek hugs BRAMA lab (Poland)
Aug 07 12:46:29 <zedstar_> speedevil wots the quota per day on that 1 pound limit?
Aug 07 12:46:57 <rwhitby> lindi-: weird, I just built it here based on the fix that XorA did
Aug 07 12:47:02 <mattwj2002> at least they don't let you go over....
Aug 07 12:47:04 * rysiek works at a telco-sponsored R&D lab on Warsaw University of Technology and has an unlimited plan for free (as in beer) ;)
Aug 07 12:47:20 <mattwj2002> here in America they don't care how big the bill is :S
Aug 07 12:47:41 <rysiek> lindi-: oh, btw, bluetooth works AOK on yesterday's 2007.2
Aug 07 12:47:51 <XorA> lindi-: run it again, there is something wierd about the git fetcher
Aug 07 12:49:23 * Dave slaps Zorkman around a bit with a large neod
Aug 07 12:49:25 <Zorkman> rysiek: you get a good range with bluetooth?
Aug 07 12:49:34 <Zorkman> i'm here dave, what's up?
Aug 07 12:49:37 <rysiek> Zorkman: #define GOOD_RANGE
Aug 07 12:49:38 <Dave> :P
Aug 07 12:49:45 <Dave> haha, rysiek
Aug 07 12:50:00 <rysiek> Zorkman: tested and reliable within 2-3m, not tested beyond that
Aug 07 12:50:01 <Zorkman> rysiek: comparable to your other bluetooth devices :) (i have none)
Aug 07 12:50:11 <rysiek> yeah, pretty much
Aug 07 12:50:19 <lindi-> XorA: still fails
Aug 07 12:50:42 <Zorkman> mmm; there 's a thread on the community list about "Bad A2DP Performance
Aug 07 12:50:42 <Zorkman> 				
Aug 07 12:50:46 * rwhitby uses Treo650 with a range of about 10m inside a house with wooden frame
Aug 07 12:50:56 <rwhitby> I hope the FR does as well
Aug 07 12:51:15 <Zorkman> rysiek: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1656 is the bug number
Aug 07 12:51:20 <mattwj2002> got to go
Aug 07 12:51:22 * XorA thinks someone removed that git object
Aug 07 12:51:33 * Zorkman sings "it wasn't me"
Aug 07 12:52:07 <XorA> lindi-: edit conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc and change linux-openmoko to c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2
Aug 07 12:52:33 <rwhitby> XorA: is someone at OM rewriting history in public git repos?
Aug 07 12:52:57 <XorA> rwhitby: they must be, coz that rev exists for me and you
Aug 07 12:53:15 * zedstar_ hopes the bluetooth range is good cos i wanna log peoples bluetooth names i come in contact with
Aug 07 12:53:18 * dbmoodb_ XorA that isn't public ;)
Aug 07 12:53:34 <spdr> god 2008.08 sux.
Aug 07 12:53:44 <Zorkman> spdr: that is not 2008.08
Aug 07 12:53:46 * rwhitby only builds from public stuff, so it must be public
Aug 07 12:53:48 <dbmoodb_> zedstar_: well if you really want to know... i was sitting in a lecture and logged lets see let me check the file
Aug 07 12:53:54 <Zorkman> (unless you have built it yourself)
Aug 07 12:54:04 <spdr> flashed an image
Aug 07 12:54:07 <lindi-> rwhitby: can you fix that so that other people don't need to edit this again? ;)
Aug 07 12:54:11 <rwhitby> spdr: did you see a flower?
Aug 07 12:54:18 <spdr> just like a blond, looks good, can do nothing
Aug 07 12:54:18 <lindi-> XorA: changed 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79 to c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2
Aug 07 12:54:21 <Zorkman> spdr: there are no 2008.08 flashable images for the public
Aug 07 12:54:26 <rwhitby> lindi-: no, but I expect XorA is doing so right now ...
Aug 07 12:54:33 <zedstar_> dbmoodb ok cool
Aug 07 12:54:41 <spdr> Zorkman, public?
Aug 07 12:54:41 <lindi-> XorA: conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: needs update
Aug 07 12:54:42 <rwhitby> spdr: if you saw a flower, it aint asu
Aug 07 12:54:44 * XorA has a whole merge needing to be pushed, could take a while
Aug 07 12:54:55 <spdr> for real ?
Aug 07 12:54:59 <rwhitby> for real
Aug 07 12:55:05 <spdr> i saw a yeng-yang
Aug 07 12:55:06 <Zorkman> yes "my nigga"
Aug 07 12:55:07 <dbmoodb_> well i got about 12 people... only not that great
Aug 07 12:55:18 <zedstar_> some dood in holland setup some project just to log bluetooth broadcast names....amazing the crap people set their device name to!
Aug 07 12:55:19 <spdr> oh yeah and a flower before :\
Aug 07 12:55:19 * dbmoodb_ is iinet that unreliable ?
Aug 07 12:55:27 <dbmoodb_> zedstar_: yeah i know
Aug 07 12:55:34 <rwhitby> yep, what you've seen is 2007.2 qtopia-x11 image unstable head
Aug 07 12:55:42 <dbmoodb_> check this out ... 00:1B:AF:DD:99:3DIm a Poof
Aug 07 12:55:47 <zedstar_> lol
Aug 07 12:55:50 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 07 12:55:56 <El_Senator> rwhitby: so, ASU is something totally different?
Aug 07 12:56:04 <spdr> rwhitby, ah, true
Aug 07 12:56:12 <rwhitby> El_Senator: it's close, but not the same
Aug 07 12:56:19 <spdr> so where can i get 2008.08 ?
Aug 07 12:56:21 <Zorkman> El_Senator: not "totally" it's also qtopia and based on X
Aug 07 12:56:27 <Zorkman> spdr: you can get it in the future
Aug 07 12:56:31 <spdr> sux
Aug 07 12:56:33 <rwhitby> spdr: you can build it, invent a time machine, or wait 24 hours
Aug 07 12:56:39 <Zorkman> (one or two days spdr)
Aug 07 12:56:40 <zedstar_> dbmoodb interesting social experiement this can be :)
Aug 07 12:56:40 <kd8ikt> i had my nokia set to symbianOSux
Aug 07 12:56:52 <spdr> opensource my ass, gimme unstable :0
Aug 07 12:56:53 <El_Senator> Zorkman: i mean, is the qtopia release in daily not the development image of the current state of ASU then?
Aug 07 12:56:58 <dbmoodb_> yah 5C:BB:86:4E:66:01蛋糕 any one want to translate ?
Aug 07 12:57:03 <Zorkman> El_Senator: nope
Aug 07 12:57:05 <El_Senator> ok
Aug 07 12:57:07 <rwhitby> spdr: if you're a real developerm then build it yourself
Aug 07 12:57:08 <El_Senator> i thought it was
Aug 07 12:57:22 <zedstar_> ive written a bluetooth to sqlite logger but not got round to using it
Aug 07 12:57:24 <El_Senator> looking forward till tomorrow
Aug 07 12:57:32 <El_Senator> to
Aug 07 12:57:35 <dbmoodb_> btscanner ? 
Aug 07 12:57:41 <dbmoodb_> btscan*
Aug 07 12:57:42 <zedstar_> btlogger
Aug 07 12:57:53 <rysiek> gtg, cu all
Aug 07 12:57:54 <rwhitby> open source is not about getting pre-built images, it's about being able to build from source so you can help fix the bugs
Aug 07 12:57:57 <spdr> dbmoodb_, 蛋糕 == Cake
Aug 07 12:58:10 <dns53> what are the main differences between all the daily images?
Aug 07 12:58:17 <El_Senator> rwhitby: it depends on your skill level i think
Aug 07 12:58:20 <dbmoodb_> dns53: do a diff
Aug 07 12:58:22 <spdr> rwhitby, i know, so where is the source :0
Aug 07 12:58:36 <rwhitby> spdr: mokomakefile, org.openmoko.asu.dev branch
Aug 07 12:58:55 <dns53> what do the file names of the development images mean>
Aug 07 12:58:58 <rwhitby> El_Senator: true, but if you don't have the skill, you can't complain about not getting images before they are ready for release
Aug 07 12:59:16 <El_Senator> rwhitby:  i totally agree
Aug 07 12:59:28 <El_Senator> i have deep respect for those people who do the low level stuff
Aug 07 12:59:34 <El_Senator> i
Aug 07 12:59:56 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: i don't. so long as the beta is not going to brick phones and it is made clear that is a beta with big big warnings all over it 
Aug 07 12:59:59 <El_Senator> i'm just waiting for the ASU to be released so i have a base to develop on :)
Aug 07 13:00:12 <El_Senator> dbmoodb_: then compile it yourself
Aug 07 13:00:24 <El_Senator> no one keeps you from doing that
Aug 07 13:00:27 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: you can't brick a gta02
Aug 07 13:00:49 <rwhitby> (unless you hook up a debug board and recite the secret incantation)
Aug 07 13:00:55 <zedstar_> unless u drop it down the toilet
Aug 07 13:01:04 <dbmoodb_> El_Senator: i don't want or need to.... that's why i like debian
Aug 07 13:01:22 <dbmoodb_> zedstar_: mmm its only water and...
Aug 07 13:01:23 <El_Senator> dbmoodb_: then wait for it
Aug 07 13:01:30 <spdr> is the SMS in UTF ?
Aug 07 13:01:37 * dbmoodb_ El_Senator i'm not upgrading till people says its all cool.
Aug 07 13:01:56 * dbmoodb_ should have applied my debian stable ideas to my phone a few updates ago...
Aug 07 13:01:58 <El_Senator> dbmoodb_: To ASU you mean?
Aug 07 13:02:16 <dbmoodb_> eh no i'm running 2007.2
Aug 07 13:02:32 <El_Senator> then i don't understand what you are trying to say :)
Aug 07 13:02:45 <El_Senator> but nevermind
Aug 07 13:02:53 <rwhitby> El_Senator: I think dbmoodb_ is stating the opposite to spdr 
Aug 07 13:03:01 <dbmoodb_> El_Senator: i'm saying that for certain things a beta should be made available before an official release that's all.
Aug 07 13:03:07 <El_Senator> ok
Aug 07 13:03:14 <zedstar_> ASU has the enlightment window manager?
Aug 07 13:03:23 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: everything in OM is beta for at least the next two years
Aug 07 13:03:39 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: ? rofl
Aug 07 13:03:48 * kd8ikt agrees with rwhitby 
Aug 07 13:04:09 * rwhitby has run nslu2-linux.org for 4 years, and we've only ever done beta releases.
Aug 07 13:04:13 * dbmoodb_ starts fixing the debian lenny install for the launch
Aug 07 13:04:31 <raster> ja
Aug 07 13:04:37 <El_Senator> rwhitby: heh, the nslu2... good times
Aug 07 13:04:57 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: ?? rofl ..... but the devices are running etch no ? ....so how is it beta after a few years of running etch / other things on them
Aug 07 13:04:57 <kd8ikt> openwrt aswell
Aug 07 13:05:02 <El_Senator> but then i got one of these: http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm
Aug 07 13:05:12 <zedstar_> raster is there an equivalent to matchbox where u can write panel icons thingies?
Aug 07 13:05:13 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: true, the debian releases are not beta
Aug 07 13:05:25 <rwhitby> but they are released by debian, not nslu2-linux :-)
Aug 07 13:05:26 <raster> zedstar_: yes
Aug 07 13:05:39 <zedstar_> raster ok cool.....i wanna do this
Aug 07 13:05:41 <raster> gadgets (created by modules)
Aug 07 13:05:53 <raster> identical to the ones "desktop" e uses
Aug 07 13:05:58 <raster> so u write them for one
Aug 07 13:06:01 <raster> uc an write them for the other
Aug 07 13:06:03 <raster> same code
Aug 07 13:06:06 <raster> same elements
Aug 07 13:06:38 <zedstar_> raster ok and this will work on 2008.8?
Aug 07 13:06:45 <raster> yes
Aug 07 13:06:56 <raster> except there is no way for you to enable the moduel and add the gadget
Aug 07 13:07:07 <raster> as all config has been removed to allow you to do this
Aug 07 13:07:24 <raster> (without incredibly complex command-line incantations)
Aug 07 13:08:42 <zedstar_> basically ive got some apps that dont need a full gui but need some basic control settings so i think a panel icon app wud be nice
Aug 07 13:09:13 <raster> sure
Aug 07 13:09:20 <raster> desktop e has all u need to add them in
Aug 07 13:09:28 <dbmoodb_> um... rwhitby why when i installed gpdf does your app go and install tons of gnome ? like stuff i would never use.... if that a gnome issue or should i have picked a different pdf viewer ?
Aug 07 13:09:32 <raster> write a module - its just a file.so dleopen()Ed module
Aug 07 13:09:40 <raster> err
Aug 07 13:09:43 <raster> dlopen()ed
Aug 07 13:09:54 <raster> and then just enable the module in the modules config dialog
Aug 07 13:10:16 <zedstar_> ok sounds good i will try and find some examples to modify
Aug 07 13:10:19 <raster> and then go find your favorite gadget region (the desktop gadman, or a shelf)
Aug 07 13:10:21 <raster> and add it in
Aug 07 13:10:22 <raster> BUT
Aug 07 13:10:25 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: what's my app?
Aug 07 13:10:37 <raster> E in ASU has had the moduel config dialog removed/made inaccessible
Aug 07 13:10:37 <dbmoodb_> mokomakefile?
Aug 07 13:10:55 <raster> and has no config dialogs accessible for enabling/disabling/adding/removign gadgets from any places they can live
Aug 07 13:11:06 <raster> so it's basically been neutered by design
Aug 07 13:11:09 <rwhitby> mokomakefile is simply a convenience wrapper around the OpenEmbedded build system, and OpenEmbedded and OpenMoko metadata recipes.
Aug 07 13:11:19 <raster> e as such is perfectyl capable of it
Aug 07 13:11:23 <ConfidentiaL> when I connect my freerunner to my computer now, the battery is not charging. Is this a bug? Initially when I got the phone I charged it from the computer usb...
Aug 07 13:11:25 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: so you're barking up the wrong tree here ...
Aug 07 13:11:35 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: ah good point 
Aug 07 13:11:48 <zedstar_> raster any docs for this ASU specific behaviour?
Aug 07 13:11:49 <dbmoodb_> i wasn't barking up any trees just thinking gnome was very dependant 
Aug 07 13:12:00 <rwhitby> you need to find out who packaged gpdf (the 'g' at the front says Gnome to me ..) and talk to them
Aug 07 13:12:05 <raster> nup
Aug 07 13:12:14 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: yep its getting stuff from their site too
Aug 07 13:12:39 * rwhitby thinks that Linux was better before Gnome and KDE
Aug 07 13:12:46 <raster> you can do some complicated things to bootstrap yourself gadgets again
Aug 07 13:13:05 <XorA> rwhitby: well KDE is on path to extinction, so you only need to work out how to kill gnome :-D
Aug 07 13:13:06 <raster> it involves finding the .src files that get compiled to user .cfg files
Aug 07 13:13:16 <raster> compiling one (check Makefile on how)
Aug 07 13:13:21 <raster> and replacing your config with the new one
Aug 07 13:13:27 <raster> and adding a section to add the gagdet
Aug 07 13:13:32 <dbmoodb_> XorA: disagree kde 4 is beta still sure but kde 3.5 is nice and gnome is good 
Aug 07 13:13:33 <raster> but as such this was never intended to work like that
Aug 07 13:13:47 <raster> e was always intended to work with a easy-to-access user config gui to do these things
Aug 07 13:14:21 <rwhitby> dbmoodb_: now you've got all that gnome goodness on your phone to support your pdf reader :-)
Aug 07 13:14:26 <zedstar_> ok cool first i need to get something working on a normal desktop to understand the basics i think
Aug 07 13:14:32 <dbmoodb_> rwhitby: ....................faints
Aug 07 13:14:50 * rwhitby rests his case
Aug 07 13:15:17 * dbmoodb_ must reboot to debian
Aug 07 13:24:25 <zedstar> raster other thing i needed to look at was displaying simple alerts like the notify messages in ASU
Aug 07 13:24:59 <raster> from the gadget module?
Aug 07 13:25:32 <zedstar> raster well i was thinking from sending messages to dbus....ive not actually tried in gnome either so not sure
Aug 07 13:25:50 <raster> who initiates the message?
Aug 07 13:26:03 <zedstar> raster a daemon that is continually running
Aug 07 13:26:21 <raster> there's nothing to do that for u
Aug 07 13:26:29 <raster> u'll need some front end that listens to messages from a daemon
Aug 07 13:26:32 <raster> and displays them
Aug 07 13:26:48 <zedstar> raster can the gadget module handle that?
Aug 07 13:26:53 <raster> it could
Aug 07 13:26:59 <raster> e does use dbus
Aug 07 13:27:08 <raster> and listens to some system dbus messages
Aug 07 13:27:13 <raster> and other session ones
Aug 07 13:27:46 <Robot101> implement the libnotify spec?
Aug 07 13:28:10 <Robot101> (from the department of making existing software Just Work)
Aug 07 13:28:11 <raster> there's already a notification module for e17
Aug 07 13:28:16 <raster> that does just that
Aug 07 13:28:19 <Robot101> job's a good'n :)
Aug 07 13:28:23 <raster> but u'd need to build it and install it
Aug 07 13:28:31 <raster> then find a way to tell e to load the module by default
Aug 07 13:28:31 <raster> etc.
Aug 07 13:29:09 <raster> but then u would also be lacking coherent theme setup for the output of such a module as it's simply not accounted for in the default theme
Aug 07 13:29:17 <raster> (elements that are never used thus not configured)
Aug 07 13:29:19 <raster> etc.
Aug 07 13:30:43 <zedstar> but libnotify shud run on ASU right?
Aug 07 13:31:05 <raster> u still need a front end to do the display
Aug 07 13:31:09 <koenigjm> I am going to get a 2GB sd, is there a good set of instructions on how to install 2007.2 on a new card?
Aug 07 13:31:15 <raster> the notification protocol is just that
Aug 07 13:31:16 <raster> a protocol
Aug 07 13:31:32 <zedstar> ok right
Aug 07 13:31:33 <raster> a standard to encode messages/notifications for a user to see
Aug 07 13:31:42 <raster> u need a producer - someone to create the messages
Aug 07 13:31:44 <raster> and a consumer
Aug 07 13:31:51 <raster> ie somethnig to turn them into real visible things
Aug 07 13:32:07 <raster> u can invent your own protocol if u like
Aug 07 13:32:19 <raster> if your daemon and front end are really an integrated solution/lump
Aug 07 13:32:31 <raster> its up to you really what you do
Aug 07 13:33:22 <zedstar> so far i just took a quick look at EWL docs and that seemed pretty straight forward and similar to gtk
Aug 07 13:33:50 <raster> try etk
Aug 07 13:33:53 <raster> its even closer to gtk
Aug 07 13:33:53 <raster> :)
Aug 07 13:34:02 <raster> (if u want familiar)
Aug 07 13:41:17 <zedstar> raster so say i knock a simple app up using etk now for ASU it will display ok but gtk apps gonna lack correct theming?
Aug 07 13:43:27 * Zorkman would like to point out that Orrery is very nice
Aug 07 13:44:27 <spdr> hmmm, i flashed back the old image, and did an update and upgrade, and it seems it installed everything twice, where did i go wrong? :S
Aug 07 13:44:42 <spdr> i mean, it displays each icon twice
Aug 07 13:45:37 <|FiLiP|> spdr: wow, you just cloned an FR
Aug 07 13:45:51 <spdr> no fun.
Aug 07 13:47:09 <spdr> should'nt the packages get replaced ?
Aug 07 13:54:37 <lindi-> XorA: sorry but what should i do about "conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: needs update"?
Aug 07 13:55:29 <XorA> lindi-: oh, does MokoMakefile do a git checkout everytime you build, I didnt realise that, erm, copy the line you put into your local.conf and revert the file to original
Aug 07 13:55:41 <lindi-> XorA: i am not sure
Aug 07 13:57:30 <lindi-> XorA: so i should add 'SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2"' to build/conf/local.conf?
Aug 07 14:00:09 <XorA> lindi-: yes, and revert the change you made
Aug 07 14:00:27 <XorA> lindi-: I will push this change, but Im in middle of a build and might take an hour or so still
Aug 07 14:02:40 <ajehals> tdobson: hello
Aug 07 14:03:31 <jOERG_rw> anybody got this link to animated FR HTML where you can rotate model of FR any direction by moving the mouse? Can't find it anymore
Aug 07 14:04:12 <ajehals> tdobson: i have everyting working 100% now incl the qwerty kb on te hx4700 - wondered if you could help tho...
Aug 07 14:09:00 <kd8ikt> jOERG_rw: http://www.brax4your.net/omoko/swf/main.swf ? that it
Aug 07 14:09:48 <kd8ikt> its not working for me anymore though
Aug 07 14:09:49 <dbmoodb_> hi there if i'm using a chroot on my openmoko how do i open an app / x app ?
Aug 07 14:09:57 <dbmoodb_> does export display blah work ?
Aug 07 14:10:21 <beni_> dbmoodb_: export display works
Aug 07 14:10:34 <dbmoodb_> oh?
Aug 07 14:10:35 <beni_> set `export DISPLAY=":0.0" and you get your app on the screen
Aug 07 14:10:48 <jOERG_rw> kd8ikt: probably not. Can't start that in Konqueror :-/
Aug 07 14:13:17 <dbmoodb_> beni_: doesnt for me
Aug 07 14:15:26 <balrog-k1n> dbmoodb_: what error do you get from X apps?
Aug 07 14:15:58 <dbmoodb_> warning cannot open display -- display unset
Aug 07 14:16:02 <ConfidentiaL> how do I access the terminal in om2008.8 ?
Aug 07 14:16:13 <balrog-k1n> dbmoodb_: and echo $DISPLAY shows the value ok?
Aug 07 14:16:42 <dbmoodb_> ah :0.0 yah
Aug 07 14:17:30 <balrog-k1n> what app is that?
Aug 07 14:17:41 <dbmoodb_> pidgin
Aug 07 14:18:08 <balrog-k1n> weird
Aug 07 14:18:32 <balrog-k1n> pidgin --display=0 should work too
Aug 07 14:18:39 <Bish> wtf?
Aug 07 14:18:43 <balrog-k1n> err, :0
Aug 07 14:18:49 <Bish> DISPLAY=":0.0" pidgin
Aug 07 14:18:50 <Bish> will work
Aug 07 14:18:52 <Bish> or
Aug 07 14:19:03 <Bish> export DISPLAY=":0.0"
Aug 07 14:20:03 <dbmoodb_> same error
Aug 07 14:20:19 <balrog-k1n> with --display=:0?
Aug 07 14:20:27 <balrog-k1n> is X running? :p
Aug 07 14:20:48 <Bish> balrog-k1n: ....
Aug 07 14:20:52 <Bish> stfu please?
Aug 07 14:20:52 <dbmoodb_> on?
Aug 07 14:21:02 <Bish> oh fuck
Aug 07 14:21:10 <Bish> pidgin has a --display parameter, im sorry
Aug 07 14:21:17 <balrog-k1n> DISPLAY=:0 pidgin  works identically though
Aug 07 14:21:43 <dbmoodb_> yikes its semi works
Aug 07 14:21:50 <balrog-k1n> they are the same thing
Aug 07 14:22:16 * dbmoodb_ killed my screen tho
Aug 07 14:22:19 <ConfidentiaL> how do I access the terminal in om2008.8 ?
Aug 07 14:24:15 <Bish> ssh ConfidentiaL ?
Aug 07 14:24:38 <dbmoodb_> Bish: i think he meant on phone
Aug 07 14:25:13 <Bish> dbmoodb_: yeah i know, but its an developer mobilephone
Aug 07 14:25:27 <ConfidentiaL> I did, so I can connect to wireless and ssh in...
Aug 07 14:25:34 <Bish> if u cant see a terminal, therewont be one
Aug 07 14:26:14 <lindi-> dbmoodb_: see wiki page Debian for instructions
Aug 07 14:26:30 <lindi-> dbmoodb_: i added chroot instructions to the end this week
Aug 07 14:26:39 <dbmoodb_> lindi-: ah ? i added those....
Aug 07 14:26:48 <dbmoodb_> i got help ..
Aug 07 14:27:07 <lindi-> dbmoodb_: what did you add? ;)
Aug 07 14:27:09 <dbmoodb_> those work out of chroot
Aug 07 14:28:04 <dbmoodb_> ah can we use ssh from the phone to get remote x -- there is no -X
Aug 07 14:28:13 <dbmoodb_> and tere is nfm
Aug 07 14:28:29 <dbmoodb_> tfm*
Aug 07 14:28:55 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb23c1277d37e 10/packages/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [bashism] Move away from pushd/popd as it is only available for bash
Aug 07 14:28:55 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r0fd7fcae7742 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is
Aug 07 14:28:58 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r186423c835ba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483
Aug 07 14:28:59 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8a452e69ab0 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit
Aug 07 14:29:00 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa099b7dd9ec 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dates2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 07 14:29:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r37a6fec0c434 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 07 14:29:06 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b1b713b53a5 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 07 14:29:09 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c8e7a616d6f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin] Change the source URI of assassin
Aug 07 14:29:14 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0d70c90cb51d 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags.
Aug 07 14:29:20 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rd87d47205314 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and
Aug 07 14:29:22 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re7c9888a2168 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Replace minesweep with python-efl sudoku as default game in ASU
Aug 07 14:29:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r25c83f9f97c2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Bump up the reversion of pyefl-sudoku to 28
Aug 07 14:29:28 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r30bd439f9d14 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 222
Aug 07 14:29:31 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d451d514df5 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue
Aug 07 14:29:34 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc28f1f3807f1 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU
Aug 07 14:29:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r28d0c47f6d12 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59
Aug 07 14:29:44 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r8513e326aeaf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4577
Aug 07 14:29:44 <Bish> wow, tough guy this julian chu !
Aug 07 14:29:47 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a6cb086a659 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin
Aug 07 14:29:50 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2cd5da802771 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap
Aug 07 14:29:53 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r14dcb6c5e411 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/racing_condition.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit
Aug 07 14:30:04 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re5c3effc9039 10/packages/openmoko-projects/pyefl-sudoku_svn.bb: [sudoku] Use SRCPV instead of SRCREV in the asu branch
Aug 07 14:30:07 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r42af424b8bfb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, two ATD related changes for testing
Aug 07 14:30:10 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0be40952d81f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [opk] Prepare to switch over to the "opk" fileending
Aug 07 14:30:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee9a8b0264c 10/classes/ (package_opk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [opk] First set of function name renaming
Aug 07 14:30:16 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf00ce91b8915 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [opkg-utils] Add svn version of these tools
Aug 07 14:30:19 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re1c6ef85a846 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [packaging] Continue with the opk renaming
Aug 07 14:30:28 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r281674e26bb2 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it)
Aug 07 14:30:31 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd25b83f9fd3 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk...
Aug 07 14:30:34 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd9406ae869c8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes
Aug 07 14:30:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb28cf757027b 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Back that accidental change out.
Aug 07 14:30:40 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re8ebdce1e2b8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes
Aug 07 14:30:43 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb909777601d3 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE
Aug 07 14:30:48 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d2a4d6271dd 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE
Aug 07 14:30:51 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r74f709bf4189 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62
Aug 07 14:30:54 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18881fa1ab63 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling
Aug 07 14:30:59 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * red2ffd0928cc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build
Aug 07 14:31:02 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rce2abe57d188 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63
Aug 07 14:31:05 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6c8373f6bb1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 188 of illume to get delayed reload of flaunch buttons.
Aug 07 14:31:10 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r46b5c1aaf5c2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65
Aug 07 14:31:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3bff30d7a854 10/ (22 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-*
Aug 07 14:31:16 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rde62001fe22b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580
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Aug 07 14:33:35 <dbmoodb_> ah .. anyone ?
Aug 07 14:38:18 <ConfidentiaL> when tomorrow can we expect om2008.8 ?
Aug 07 14:38:45 <koenigjm> how does one go about installing 2007.2 on a new SD?  can someone point in the right direction?
Aug 07 14:41:31 <Bish> what exactly is 2008.8 oO
Aug 07 14:41:32 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc38b27c34f17 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release
Aug 07 14:41:33 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r176b86d96b84 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ummm.. merge?
Aug 07 14:41:33 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7fdc547c76b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fuck.. try this.
Aug 07 14:41:34 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rad5a72602c2a 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev
Aug 07 14:41:36 <Bish> i just heard of 2007.2
Aug 07 14:41:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r57f8ea68272a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move illume back to something normal. comment out illume-none.edj... who'se
Aug 07 14:41:44 <Guilt> is ASU out yet?
Aug 07 14:41:52 <Bish> Guilt: what do u mean with out?
Aug 07 14:42:51 <Guilt> out for download
Aug 07 14:43:01 <Guilt> not dead
Aug 07 14:43:29 <Bish> Guilt: yes u are able to download a version which is in development
Aug 07 14:44:02 <Bish> Guilt: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/
Aug 07 14:44:08 <Guilt> that's not asu
Aug 07 14:44:19 <Bish> okay, its not
Aug 07 14:44:23 <Guilt> or at least what i inferred from sparky's comments
Aug 07 14:44:34 <Guilt> Bish: i have the 0806 version and i hate it ;0
Aug 07 14:44:46 <Bish> Guilt: so what's asu?
Aug 07 14:44:53 <ConfidentiaL> Bish: om2008.8 is ASU. ASU is jut the internal name or something...
Aug 07 14:44:53 <Bish> i thought it was .. Illume+qtopia
Aug 07 14:45:11 <Bish> ConfidentiaL: so .. whats asu= illume+qtopia , right?
Aug 07 14:45:55 <ConfidentiaL> dunno exactly, check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 14:46:21 <ConfidentiaL> think its enlightenment, qtopia and gtk
Aug 07 14:46:42 <Bish> ConfidentiaL: enlightenment == illume
Aug 07 14:46:57 <Bish> ConfidentiaL: illume is a profile for enlightenment
Aug 07 14:46:58 <Guilt> Bish: asu is one without the flower wallpaper
Aug 07 14:47:03 <raster> its more
Aug 07 14:47:06 <Guilt> ;) and possibly many more fixes
Aug 07 14:47:07 <raster> its a profile, theme and module
Aug 07 14:47:09 <bumbl> Bish: the image you are refering to is asu but it is compiled out of a different svn branch of asu and not the current development one
Aug 07 14:47:17 <Bish> raster: . its enough for understanding, right?
Aug 07 14:47:29 <Guilt> Bish: the upgrade won't be worth it
Aug 07 14:47:31 <Guilt> trust me
Aug 07 14:47:33 <Bish> bumbl: so if i use mokomakefile
Aug 07 14:47:36 <Guilt> wait a day or two and then upgrade
Aug 07 14:47:46 <Bish> i will get 2008.8
Aug 07 14:48:00 <bumbl> Bish: you have to point to the correct branch
Aug 07 14:48:12 <Guilt> it's all confusion
Aug 07 14:48:14 <bumbl> and I don't know which is the correct one
Aug 07 14:48:19 <Bish> yes sure
Aug 07 14:48:20 <bumbl> wait until tomorrow
Aug 07 14:48:22 <Bish> i prefer FSO
Aug 07 14:48:25 <Bish> so it doesnt matter xD
Aug 07 14:48:26 <Guilt> there is downloads.openmoko.org, releases.openmoko.org and buildhost.openmoko.org
Aug 07 14:48:29 <Guilt> and what not?!! 
Aug 07 14:48:33 <Bish> i wont use ASU , im not interestet
Aug 07 14:48:44 <Guilt> Bish: it's the official thingie
Aug 07 14:48:45 <Bish> Guilt: i thinkg.. downloads are.. well.. downloads
Aug 07 14:48:51 <Bish> realeses are the "stable" ones, which are not very stable
Aug 07 14:48:55 <Guilt> releases are released downloads? ;)
Aug 07 14:49:06 <Guilt> well. buildhost has a releases folder too
Aug 07 14:49:09 <bumbl> Guilt: there is no releases.openmoko.org
Aug 07 14:49:09 <Bish> and buildhost , is the daily-stuff
Aug 07 14:49:19 <Guilt> bumbl: or so i recall. my bad, then
Aug 07 14:49:27 <Guilt> Bish: there is a releases folder
Aug 07 14:49:38 <Guilt> see: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/ ?
Aug 07 14:49:47 <Guilt> anyway. they are just complicating things
Aug 07 14:49:55 <Bish> .. yes its the same
Aug 07 14:50:08 <Guilt> no. both are DIFFERENT sites
Aug 07 14:50:16 <Guilt> it's not rsynced or so
Aug 07 14:50:23 <Bish> .. so .. ?
Aug 07 14:50:35 <Guilt> so it's out of sync
Aug 07 14:50:36 <Guilt> ;)
Aug 07 14:50:38 <Bish> i dont care, i like FSO :p
Aug 07 14:50:48 <Bish> illume is great, but qt sux
Aug 07 14:50:49 <Guilt> well. i liked om2007.2
Aug 07 14:50:55 <Bish> wtf, why?
Aug 07 14:50:56 <Guilt> but too bad they wont support it
Aug 07 14:51:04 <Bish> it was annoying slow
Aug 07 14:51:10 <Bish> and the rotation feature, great :D
Aug 07 14:51:15 <Guilt> well qt is slow too ;)
Aug 07 14:51:20 <Bish> yeah
Aug 07 14:51:21 <Guilt> and the rotation is useless
Aug 07 14:51:24 <Bish> FSO is illume, without qt
Aug 07 14:51:25 <Guilt> the buttons wont work
Aug 07 14:51:29 <Bish> rotation is not useless
Aug 07 14:51:30 <Guilt> :-) hey, brb
Aug 07 14:51:31 <Bish> but it doesnt work
Aug 07 14:51:35 <Bish> im brb , too
Aug 07 14:51:39 <Bish> have to cook minestrone
Aug 07 14:52:25 <Zorkman> Guilt rotation works in 2007.2 as of today
Aug 07 14:52:29 <bumbl> I like asu when it works; but it sucks when it does not work (which is quite often these times)
Aug 07 14:55:05 <ConfidentiaL> how do you get asu now? is it just the openmoko-qtopia-x11 image?
Aug 07 14:55:23 <Bish> bumbl: so , whats so great about qtopia?
Aug 07 14:59:41 <bumbl> Bish: I don't use qtopia; just some apps; what is great about it is that the ui and the apps are ready to use and not just proof of concept like the app of the fso image
Aug 07 14:59:51 <raster> Bish:  simple enough - i just get picky :)
Aug 07 15:01:57 <bumbl> raster: is it possible to use your keyboard (that with full qwerty) with 2008.8 or will it be the limited qtopia keyboard which absolutly sucks for the terminal
Aug 07 15:02:15 <bumbl> and will there be the qwerty button or do we need themes for that
Aug 07 15:03:25 <Bish> if i would build the .. ASU image with mokomakefile
Aug 07 15:03:33 <Bish> would i get om2008.8 ?
Aug 07 15:03:59 <Bish> or.. will i have to build the .. devel image with mokomakefile _tomorrow_ to get it?
Aug 07 15:04:34 <raster> bumbl: m u are stuck with qtopia keyboard as you have no way to reconfigure it to use another one
Aug 07 15:04:44 <raster> well no easy way
Aug 07 15:04:50 <TeNoVi> Hi! I've just installed pidgin for my freerunner (standard image, opkg install). Is it possible to add the msn protocol so that I can chat with people at msn?
Aug 07 15:04:58 <raster> as all the easy ways are designed to be out of any released package/config
Aug 07 15:05:13 <raster> the config ui that lets you select what keyboard to use
Aug 07 15:05:19 <raster> is simply removed
Aug 07 15:05:40 <raster> and its basically an uphill battle for a highly technically skilled person who knows how it all goes to get back that ui
Aug 07 15:07:51 <koenigjm> TeN:  try opkg install libpurple-plugins-msn or libpurple-protocol-msn
Aug 07 15:07:55 <Bish> TeNoVi: it is. u just have to install .. oh yes
Aug 07 15:07:58 <Bish> koenigjm: was faster
Aug 07 15:08:29 <Torikun> how come when doing opkg upgrade on Qtopia, the GUI does not load when you reboot
Aug 07 15:09:05 <TeNoVi> Thanks. I'll try that
Aug 07 15:09:14 <bumbl> raster: so no way to use the terminal with asu?
Aug 07 15:09:21 <bumbl> that is a knockout
Aug 07 15:09:34 <raster> not without doing hacking and custom packges of your own
Aug 07 15:09:51 <raster> and cusotm packages == forks
Aug 07 15:09:56 <raster> and a lot of sshing in
Aug 07 15:10:01 <Basheri> I just don't get it
Aug 07 15:10:04 <raster> magic dbus messages
Aug 07 15:10:05 <raster> etc.
Aug 07 15:11:01 <bumbl> <- loves sshing to a phone; but I don't see why useful functions are removed in order to replace them with less functional programs
Aug 07 15:11:33 <summatusmentis> bumbl: space
Aug 07 15:11:44 <summatusmentis> I assume you mean busybox
Aug 07 15:11:47 <raster> because decisions were made that pretty much all config is to be done bia the package manager
Aug 07 15:11:59 <Bish> so 2008.8 will be "ready" to use
Aug 07 15:12:00 <raster> and not acounting for the fact tghe code simply was never designed to work that way
Aug 07 15:12:06 <Bish> it will work as phone ? xD
Aug 07 15:12:15 <Pyrasi> i have a terminal on my ASU build... 
Aug 07 15:12:19 <Pyrasi> 2 of them actually 
Aug 07 15:12:33 <Pyrasi> vte and openmoko-terminal2 
Aug 07 15:12:35 <bumbl> so I will stick with fso
Aug 07 15:12:37 <TeNoVi>  koenigjm: Thanks. That seemed to work :D
Aug 07 15:12:38 <Pyrasi> both of them work fine 
Aug 07 15:12:40 <raster> u'll basically have to wait for community forks
Aug 07 15:12:42 <bumbl> although I like exposure
Aug 07 15:12:43 <raster> or do your own
Aug 07 15:13:03 <bumbl> even if it couldn't connect to wpa2 the last time i tried
Aug 07 15:13:29 <koenigjm> TeN: let me know if you find a touch keyboard that works well for it.  The standard multi-touch seems to cover what you are typing when mid-IM :)
Aug 07 15:14:12 <Bish> bumbl: fso would be great, if sms would work
Aug 07 15:15:51 <TeNoVi>  koenigjm: Ok. Hmm. I can't enter any passwd :S
Aug 07 15:16:15 <bumbl> Bish: I don't use the moko as a daily phone
Aug 07 15:16:20 <bumbl> at the moment
Aug 07 15:16:29 <koenigjm> lol that was a trick...I had to enter it in my local alias first...then drag the entry into password
Aug 07 15:16:33 <bumbl> I need a terminal and a few apps
Aug 07 15:16:43 <Bish> bumbl: me does, 
Aug 07 15:16:47 <bumbl> and a sane keyboard + qwerty button
Aug 07 15:16:50 <Bish> om2007.2 . was .. kinda.. "okay" for daily use
Aug 07 15:16:56 <TeNoVi>  koenigjm: Ok... Well. I'll try something :P
Aug 07 15:17:01 <bumbl> Bish: I tried to use it with 2007.2 for one day
Aug 07 15:17:12 <Bish> :D
Aug 07 15:17:17 <bumbl> it was a bit annoying - then I switched
Aug 07 15:17:24 <Bish> what exactly
Aug 07 15:17:27 <Bish> calls did work.
Aug 07 15:17:28 <bumbl> to asu (the time it was useable)
Aug 07 15:17:44 <Bish> asu is great, .. but zhone must have sms support (working)
Aug 07 15:17:47 <Bish> no :. i mean fso
Aug 07 15:17:56 <bumbl> Bish: calls did work; but no manual suspend and resume
Aug 07 15:18:02 <koenigjm> I don't mind 2007.2 too much...great to start with
Aug 07 15:18:21 <Bish> bumbl: i read something about i fix, and used it
Aug 07 15:18:22 <bumbl> and the interface is more or less crap
Aug 07 15:18:27 <Bish> suspend worked great
Aug 07 15:18:28 <Bish> :P
Aug 07 15:18:39 <bumbl> and after suspend no audio
Aug 07 15:18:44 <koenigjm> so does everyone use Qtopia then? :P
Aug 07 15:18:46 <Bish> 2008.8 will be more useable as 2007.2?
Aug 07 15:18:53 <koenigjm> hopefully 
Aug 07 15:18:58 <Bish> koenigjm: would like FSO more if zhone has sms support
Aug 07 15:19:00 <bumbl> and only the matchbox keyboard usable in terminal
Aug 07 15:19:13 <Bish> bumbl: .. i was able to type with it, with my fingers, im not kidding
Aug 07 15:19:46 <bumbl> me too but slooooow
Aug 07 15:19:56 <koenigjm> I have to learn was these abbrevs. stand for...FSO and ASU...I will have to read the wiki some more
Aug 07 15:20:28 <koenigjm> it would be nice to make it more responsive..is that just 2007.2 having too much running in the background?
Aug 07 15:20:45 <koenigjm> or is it pre-mature code?
Aug 07 15:21:06 <Bish> koenigjm: same here
Aug 07 15:21:13 <LetoTo> how's 2008.8 ?
Aug 07 15:21:15 <Bish> but the illume keyboard is fucking great
Aug 07 15:21:24 <LetoTo> did anyone make a nice multiboot SD card image yet?
Aug 07 15:21:36 <raster> Bish:  nah. its not so great
Aug 07 15:21:40 <raster> it can be a lot better
Aug 07 15:21:46 <bumbl> LetoTo: 2008.8 is not out jet
Aug 07 15:21:49 <bumbl> *yet
Aug 07 15:21:57 <raster> wait until i actually get around to doing illume+e as it really SHOULD be
Aug 07 15:21:58 <Bish> raster: a better qwerty keyboard?
Aug 07 15:22:05 <cjb> it's much nicer in landscape mode than in portrait :)
Aug 07 15:22:10 <raster> Bish:  its missign dictionary correction right now
Aug 07 15:22:15 <cjb> there's enough room to hit things
Aug 07 15:22:20 <raster> its usable if it has it
Aug 07 15:22:25 <raster> with a finger in portrait
Aug 07 15:22:31 <Pyrasi> The one thing i think the illume keyboard needs is a freakin tab button 
Aug 07 15:22:32 <Basheri> raster: can't wait =)
Aug 07 15:22:33 <raster> not the terminal layout
Aug 07 15:22:36 <raster> the alpha one
Aug 07 15:22:37 <LetoTo> qtopia is not as good. it assumes a stylus, scrollbars are next to impossible to use even with a stylus
Aug 07 15:22:45 <LetoTo> and i like the look and feel of ASU much better :)
Aug 07 15:22:46 <raster> then writing email/sms is easy
Aug 07 15:22:49 <Pyrasi> it pains me not to have a tab when im typing in a terminal 
Aug 07 15:22:52 <raster> temrinal is there for termnal junkies
Aug 07 15:23:02 <LetoTo> it pained me more to not have a / in terminal :)
Aug 07 15:23:02 <raster> likely u want a stylus or a very sharp fingernail
Aug 07 15:23:03 <raster> :)
Aug 07 15:23:07 <Bish> LetoTo: .. ever tried FSO?
Aug 07 15:23:16 <Pyrasi> illume has a '/' 
Aug 07 15:23:21 <LetoTo> Bish: yes, it shipped with it :)
Aug 07 15:23:25 <koenigjm> lol I need to get illume
Aug 07 15:23:28 <Bish> really? 
Aug 07 15:23:29 <koenigjm> I copy and paste all my /
Aug 07 15:23:43 <LetoTo> Bish: oh wait, sorry that was ASU
Aug 07 15:23:51 <Bish> .. so try asu
Aug 07 15:23:55 <LetoTo> if FSO is the qtopia load, then yes. it is currently on the phone
Aug 07 15:24:10 <Bish> LetoTo: i think its illume without qtopia , prove me wrong
Aug 07 15:24:31 <Pyrasi> does anyone know why the tab key isnt included on the list of "other" characters you can select in the immume keyboard? 
Aug 07 15:24:56 <Bish> immume, sounds great imummy
Aug 07 15:25:18 <Pyrasi> lol.....This is why i need tab completion! 
Aug 07 15:25:41 <Bish> haha, .. we dont need a keyboard
Aug 07 15:25:48 <Bish> we just need a tab, like.. steven hawkins
Aug 07 15:25:59 <Bish> works great, if i want to type pyrasi i just do p~tab
Aug 07 15:26:03 <Bish> PriceChild: 
Aug 07 15:26:03 <Bish> !
Aug 07 15:26:23 <TobiX> Bish: Fail?
Aug 07 15:26:51 <Bish> it was a joke
Aug 07 15:27:37 <TobiX> I don't need no tab completion, I always type perfektly ;)
Aug 07 15:28:22 <Bish> i just need it for tabbing directories
Aug 07 15:40:18 <dingman> "$ ssh root@192.168.0.202 /bin/dd if=/dev/mtdblock6 > rootfs.jffs2" yields "dd: /dev/mtdblock6: Input/output error" for me after 27MB, reliably. Anyone know a work-around?
Aug 07 15:41:16 <dingman> fdisk claims the device is 258MB
Aug 07 15:41:39 <darkjames> dmesg print something?
Aug 07 15:41:40 <ronny> dingman: you could reboot into the nand/nor uboot, and load the image via dfu-util
Aug 07 15:42:11 <dingman> end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock6, sector 53504
Aug 07 15:42:15 <dingman> and many simillar
Aug 07 15:44:02 <dingman> ronny, about the same thing happens with dfu-util. The wiki says this is expected with dfu-util.
Aug 07 15:48:53 <hiciu> dingman: dd if=/dev/mtdblock6 of=/dev/null will show this error too?
Aug 07 15:50:56 <dingman> hiciu, not sure. Lets see...
Aug 07 15:56:00 <Torikun> Where can I get qtopia snapshots?
Aug 07 15:56:26 <Bish> TobiX: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/
Aug 07 15:56:29 <Bish> Torikun: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/
Aug 07 15:56:37 <ArteK> Torikun: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/
Aug 07 15:56:46 <Torikun> ty
Aug 07 15:58:17 <Hobart> any news on the gui 802.11 configurator making it closer to being a stock part of the nightlies?
Aug 07 15:58:19 <Torikun> Can you receive phone calls in suspend?
Aug 07 15:58:26 <SpeedEvil> Torikun: yes
Aug 07 15:58:36 <SpeedEvil> Torikun: all builds let you do that.
Aug 07 15:58:46 <SpeedEvil> Of course, waking up and dealing with the call is something else.
Aug 07 15:59:07 <Torikun> huh
Aug 07 15:59:35 <SpeedEvil> It's a bit variable at the moment.
Aug 07 16:00:04 <Blalien> When will the sound problem be fixed? Everytime my phone wakes up from suspend it doesn't have sound.
Aug 07 16:00:29 <SpeedEvil> when someone fixes it.
Aug 07 16:00:44 <Pyrasi>  past versions of ASU have had that fixed....so i assume the one that releases tomorrow still will
Aug 07 16:01:25 <kelvie> the version of ASU that returns tomorrow will have proper suspend support?
Aug 07 16:01:41 <Pyrasi>  i assume so....the past ones have o.O
Aug 07 16:01:57 <Pyrasi>  the one im running right now works very well
Aug 07 16:03:49 <dingman> hiciu, yes, the same thing happens when I run dd locally.
Aug 07 16:04:11 <dingman> except it goes way faster when it's redirected to /dev/null ;)
Aug 07 16:04:16 <kelvie> Pyrasi: what's the battery life like now?
Aug 07 16:04:39 <SpeedEvil> Battery life needs major work before it's fixed.
Aug 07 16:05:06 <SpeedEvil> Kernel work on the cpu freq.
Aug 07 16:05:15 <kelvie> ah
Aug 07 16:06:19 <ajehals> hi is anyone using openmoko on a hx4700?
Aug 07 16:06:52 <Pyrasi>  Mine works well.  W/O my sim card in, and using suspend it used about 10% battery in ~10 hours
Aug 07 16:07:15 <Pyrasi>  with the sim card it used about 30% battery in 10 hours if i recall
Aug 07 16:07:25 <Pyrasi>  so i dont think its too bad
Aug 07 16:08:09 <Pyrasi>  it might have been alittle better than that....i havent run a conclusive test or anything...thats just kinda gauging from what i can remember
Aug 07 16:08:29 <ajehals> Pyrasi: is that on a freerunner?
Aug 07 16:08:32 <Pyrasi>  on the 30% one, i also used the gps to track myself to and from work...so that may have drained some as well
Aug 07 16:08:33 <Pyrasi>  yes
Aug 07 16:08:55 <Pyrasi>  Freerunner with a relatively recent version of ASU
Aug 07 16:10:02 <ajehals> what size is the battery on the freerunner? (id google it but am without a web browser atm...)
Aug 07 16:10:30 <SpeedEvil> ˆ1300mAh IIRC
Aug 07 16:10:32 <Pyrasi>  from the newest image they released (before this week) and all the updates except for the enlightenment (e11) one which seemed to break my build everytime i installed it
Aug 07 16:10:37 <gargoyle_grin> 1200mAh.
Aug 07 16:11:13 <ajehals> interesting...
Aug 07 16:16:21 <ajehals> i have a 3600mAh battery and get about 45 hours total, 5 hours of video or about 22 of audio on the hx4700 - I probably need to look at getting some more granular control over the backlight...
Aug 07 16:16:54 <ajehals> no gps, or gsm obviously...
Aug 07 16:23:27 <SpeedEvil> Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible.
Aug 07 16:23:58 <Bish> 20 h mp3
Aug 07 16:23:59 <Bish> ?
Aug 07 16:24:00 <Bish> yeah cool
Aug 07 16:24:05 <pyknite> 20h of music, i think it's great
Aug 07 16:25:33 <SpeedEvil> That's based on some conservative estimates based on GTA01 performance.
Aug 07 16:25:39 <ajehals> actually Im impressed with the power management - wifi,audio and everything else comes back reliably with a stock angstrom kernel, that is a lot better than the last gentoo or familiar keernels i used...
Aug 07 16:26:58 <Torikun> What is the best way to apply the snapshot to my Current Qtopia ?
Aug 07 16:34:13 <ajehals> Also - strange question - I just added 256M swap (from a file on an sd card) and although it is currently not being used I (seem) to have a significant performance increase... any idea why that would be?
Aug 07 16:35:03 <malik1972> mmontour: resume from shutdown comes from calendar entries in qtopia :-)
Aug 07 16:35:19 <SpeedEvil> ajehals: because rarely needed stuff can be shipped off to the SD.
Aug 07 16:35:49 <SpeedEvil> ajehals: so that there is more room for the working set.
Aug 07 16:37:17 <ajehals> SpeedEvil: That was the idea - but use (according to /proc/swaps) is 0... although I may be missing it if it is being used and then flushed i suppose...
Aug 07 16:38:44 <retracile> ajehals: what does cat /proc/meminfo tell you?
Aug 07 16:38:49 <ajehals> how much RAM  does the freerunner ship with?
Aug 07 16:39:34 <Bish> ajehals: infinite !
Aug 07 16:40:01 <ajehals> retracile: swaptotal and swapfree are pretty much the same...
Aug 07 16:40:34 <dingman> ajehals, looks like 128MB on mine.
Aug 07 16:40:51 <retracile> ajehals: "pretty much"?  What is the actual difference?
Aug 07 16:40:56 <Bish> will 2008.8 have a working suspend?
Aug 07 16:41:26 <ajehals> retracile: 7k
Aug 07 16:43:55 <eier> anyone know where i can get "python-pygtk" for the freerunner?
Aug 07 16:44:24 <retracile> ajehals: hm.  See if you can quantify the performance improvement.  If you can, then compare no swap vs lots of swap vs as-small-as-it-will-let-you-make swap and see what happens.
Aug 07 16:44:27 <sevenhundred> I'm on wiki.openmoko.org from my freerunner!
Aug 07 16:44:48 <Bish> sevenhundred: holy shi.. how? :D
Aug 07 16:44:48 <Torikun> sevenhundred: which distro
Aug 07 16:45:07 <retracile> If adding 8k of swap gives a large improvement, it may indicate some low-hanging fruit for performance work.
Aug 07 16:45:09 <sevenhundred> om2007.2
Aug 07 16:45:31 <Bish> will 2008.8 have a working suspend?
Aug 07 16:46:09 <sevenhundred> just installed minimo and surfed with my comp as a proxy
Aug 07 16:46:46 <retracile> eier: Based on my notes, I built it using "bitbake python-pygtk"
Aug 07 16:46:49 <railer> when is 2008.8 coming out offically?
Aug 07 16:46:59 <Torikun> 2008.8 was not useable yesterday
Aug 07 16:47:01 <pyknite> Bish: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Feature_Plan
Aug 07 16:47:20 <Bish> minimo works great , yeah, nothing u
Aug 07 16:47:31 <pyknite> railer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 16:47:34 <Bish> Torikun: yeah because its realsed tomorrow -_
Aug 07 16:48:07 <eier> retracile: and how do i do that?:)
Aug 07 16:48:26 <retracile> eier: look for MokoMakefile on the wiki...
Aug 07 16:48:44 <retracile> eier: you have to setup the development environment so you can run bitbake.
Aug 07 16:48:56 <eier> k ty
Aug 07 16:49:14 <Bish> yeah if thats true, 2008.8 will be great
Aug 07 16:53:08 <pyknite> hum graphic on 2008.8 are very great
Aug 07 16:53:30 <zedstar> a good post on openmoko direction on the ML i thought!
Aug 07 16:58:28 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07stable * rdc633f4be252 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: honor-stop_in_menu-on-charger-wakeup.patch
Aug 07 17:01:59 <torpor> yo
Aug 07 17:02:03 <lindi-> rwhitby: mokomakefile ASU build fails with /local/lindi/openmoko/mokomakefile/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libcairo.so: undefined reference to `pixman_format_supported_destination'
Aug 07 17:08:10 <eier> what's the best GUI wifi handler?
Aug 07 17:08:21 <eier> for the freerunner
Aug 07 17:16:41 <railer> what is edje?
Aug 07 17:18:40 <Bish> almien: holy shit ure on the internet !
Aug 07 17:19:40 <xeros> what's the distro on latest screenshots?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Aug 07 17:20:48 <pyknite> it seems to be the basic distribution with a theme
Aug 07 17:21:00 <railer> starting to look a little cartoonie
Aug 07 17:21:03 <LetoTo> btw; the screenshots about 2008.8 referencing "girlfriend" are kinda sexist :P
Aug 07 17:21:21 <railer> lol
Aug 07 17:21:25 <LetoTo> or in the best case a bad joke
Aug 07 17:21:37 <Bish> xeros: its asu
Aug 07 17:21:39 <Bish> with mod
Aug 07 17:23:50 <railer> letoTo what comments?
Aug 07 17:23:58 <almien> ?
Aug 07 17:24:04 <LetoTo> "girlfriend lives here"
Aug 07 17:24:08 <LetoTo> and "girlfriend dumped me"
Aug 07 17:24:39 <zedstar> seem quite factual for most geeks :)
Aug 07 17:24:58 <Bish> whats so funny bout that xD
Aug 07 17:25:58 <railer> ya I don't get the sexism
Aug 07 17:27:55 <ajehals> retracile - this swap issue is interesting, I will look into it further but at first glance it seems there is a noticable performace increase when RAM+Swap>128Mb and if I use an SD card for swap (not the CF that the OS is sat on) even if swap is apparently not used.  When swap is off or <64M I can't launch and use more than 1-2 apps, with swap on and 65M+ I am good to do whatever I want and everything becomes much more 
Aug 07 17:29:06 <abraxa_> xeros: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/
Aug 07 17:37:07 <Pyrasi>  ajehals:  huh...thats interesting.  You made a bigger swap partition on your sd card and it increased performance?  The problem i see from this is that at least atm, when you return from suspend the sd card is not mounted in the same place as it was before (instead of /media/card its /media/mmblk02 i think)
Aug 07 17:37:38 <Pyrasi>  when you say you got a performance increase....like how much of one?  How quick to apps launch?
Aug 07 17:37:42 <Pyrasi>  do^
Aug 07 17:39:25 <Tanuva> and having swap on sd might kill the flash memory quite fast
Aug 07 17:39:43 <Pyrasi>  good point
Aug 07 17:40:10 <net_tux> as a first stab at hacking at my FR, I'm trying to make some changes to neod from http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod
Aug 07 17:40:10 <net_tux> I'm using the build environment from the .deb packages for ubuntu from http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/2008/07/openmoko-development-in-5-minutes.html
Aug 07 17:40:10 <net_tux> however, the binary produced by building it without any modifications doesn't seem to work right; it runs, but pressing the power button for a few seconds doesn't yield the power menu
Aug 07 17:40:10 <net_tux> any ideas on this?  am I getting the source from the right place?
Aug 07 17:41:00 <ajehals> Pyrasi - the card seems to be mounted consistently in the same place (mmcblk0p1 for that particular partition) although you are right about issues with swap on flash 
Aug 07 17:41:21 <Pyrasi>  net_tux: i would ask this question in #openmoko-cdevel....you would probably get a better response
Aug 07 17:41:45 <Pyrasi>  ajehals: what distro are you using
Aug 07 17:41:54 <ajehals> The part I find interesting is that whilst the swap is there it is hardly used yet performace only seems to increase once I hit 64M Swap..
Aug 07 17:41:55 <net_tux> Pyrasi: ah, didn't know about that one, tried openmoko-devel, but it wanted a pwd - thanks
Aug 07 17:42:14 <ajehals> Pyrasi Angstrom with their stable openmoko packages (Which are fairly out of date)
Aug 07 17:42:45 <Zorkman> that swap thing seems very interesting
Aug 07 17:42:59 <Pyrasi>  on my ASU build atm, it changes the mount point after suspend.... hmm...id assume that is a kernel issue though.....ill check and make sure my kernel is up to date later
Aug 07 17:43:08 <Zorkman> maybe you could also post it to the mailinglist Pyrasi?
Aug 07 17:43:31 <Zorkman> or ajehals, don't know how came up with it first :)
Aug 07 17:43:36 <ajehals> The kernel I am using is 2.6.21-hh20-r6
Aug 07 17:43:37 <Pyrasi>  I'm not the one doing the research on it...im just asking questions ;)
Aug 07 17:43:54 <Pyrasi>  i dont have my freerunner with me atm....at work =/
Aug 07 17:44:18 <dingman> Anyone know where to get a copy of openmoko-agpsgui? It's not in the daily feeds where the wiki says to look.
Aug 07 17:44:32 <ajehals> I should have mentioned that this is on a hx4700 so it may be tied into the HW somehow...
Aug 07 17:44:32 <ajehals> but I cant quite see why.
Aug 07 17:45:06 <Pyrasi>  hx4700?  is that an internet tablet of some kind?
Aug 07 17:48:21 <jOERG_rw> @all: schematics copied from my folder people.openmoko.org/joerg to download-server, parallel folder to CAD folder. Feel free to edit Wiki
Aug 07 17:48:24 <jOERG_rw> or post about it on [community] or [hw]
Aug 07 17:48:28 <jOERG_rw> maybe a few references to the results of http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+schematics, somewhere in wki, might be appreciated too ;-)
Aug 07 17:50:21 <jOERG_rw> please not tis is a release-CANDIDATE. Some changes might be seen next few days/weeks, depending on your feedback
Aug 07 17:50:47 <ajehals> Pyrasi its an Ipaq, a fairly old one...
Aug 07 17:50:47 <ajehals> But with decent Linux support and a fair spec (+ a really nice VGA screen).
Aug 07 17:51:47 <Pyrasi> cool 
Aug 07 17:52:13 <Tanuva> wtf... no python in the gtk image Oo
Aug 07 18:09:37 <spdr> where can i get a copy of the opkg sources .conf ?
Aug 07 18:09:47 <spdr> seems the upgrade messed it up
Aug 07 18:11:07 <Zorkman> if you're using 2007.2 i can dcc it to you
Aug 07 18:12:46 <linuxxr> where is installer for 200808?
Aug 07 18:13:19 <linuxxr> i have 200808 on it but the wiki says start the installer 
Aug 07 18:13:28 <spdr> Zorkman, please do, or just pastebin
Aug 07 18:13:29 <linuxxr> where is it?
Aug 07 18:13:31 <Pyrasi> if you mean the gui one, click the settings wrench ans scroll to the bottom 
Aug 07 18:13:36 <Pyrasi> and^ 
Aug 07 18:13:41 <spdr> linuxxr, in the menu/
Aug 07 18:13:42 <spdr> ?
Aug 07 18:14:05 <spdr> anyhows isnt 200808 due for tomorrow? :0
Aug 07 18:14:16 <Pyrasi> yup 
Aug 07 18:14:54 <linuxxr> i see lots of games that suck  ,, i dont see installer
Aug 07 18:15:04 <linuxxr> in the menu
Aug 07 18:15:24 <Pyrasi> games?....are you sure you are using ASU? 
Aug 07 18:15:42 <linuxxr> 200808
Aug 07 18:16:17 <Pyrasi> the actual 2008.8 comes out tonight.....it isnt out yet. 
Aug 07 18:17:02 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 18:17:14 <spdr> linuxxr, its not out yet :s
Aug 07 18:17:31 <linuxxr> oo
Aug 07 18:18:03 <Chox> moo
Aug 07 18:18:05 <spdr> "Download images (outlined) There are no ASU images available, openmoko-qtopia-x11 images are not ASU, but from the development branch. "
Aug 07 18:18:18 <Chox> 10 points for a confusing message, that.
Aug 07 18:18:31 <spdr> heh
Aug 07 18:18:49 <Chox> hum, Qt pr0t of Firefox 3.
Aug 07 18:19:01 <Chox> dammit, where's Dave.  I need my abuse.
Aug 07 18:19:09 <spdr> anyways, i need some normal (perhaps unofficial) source please
Aug 07 18:19:25 <spdr> anyone?
Aug 07 18:19:35 <Pyrasi> source? 
Aug 07 18:19:36 <spdr> had one yesterday at some italian host, lost it :\
Aug 07 18:19:39 <linuxxr> i guess i have 20080807
Aug 07 18:19:43 <spdr> opkg source
Aug 07 18:19:52 <Chox> Italian pasta sauce
Aug 07 18:20:05 * Chox yawns
Aug 07 18:20:33 <linuxxr> the latest version of uboot is ?
Aug 07 18:20:42 <Chox> sexy.
Aug 07 18:20:43 <linuxxr> i have 1.3.2
Aug 07 18:24:27 <xeros> linuxxr: the latest u-boot is from 85 minutes ago :-)
Aug 07 18:24:51 <xeros> I don't know if it's packaged already
Aug 07 18:25:09 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 07 18:26:03 <linuxxr> put my 10 points with the rest of them
Aug 07 18:28:33 <peter__b> anyone got emai working on asu?
Aug 07 18:30:26 <Guilt> when is ASU out?
Aug 07 18:30:41 <peter__b> or now :-)
Aug 07 18:30:52 <Guilt> i need to remove the Download images from that wiki pagee
Aug 07 18:31:28 <Guilt> just saying 'ASU images out soon' should be okay
Aug 07 18:32:17 <linuxxr> i bought a car charger for a blackberry that doesnt seem to charge
Aug 07 18:32:58 <Guilt> and look at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
Aug 07 18:33:07 <Guilt> Download: Releases are labeled "openmoko-qtopia-x11"
Aug 07 18:33:16 <Guilt> what the fuck does that mean anyway
Aug 07 18:33:28 <Torikun> I hope 2008 will be useable
Aug 07 18:33:29 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 18:33:34 <Guilt> usable
Aug 07 18:33:43 <Guilt> not hackable. ;p
Aug 07 18:34:17 <Guilt> it's not like i can't hack, it's just that i don't want to hack to only get my phone up. 
Aug 07 18:34:41 <linuxxr> so much info       
Aug 07 18:34:50 <Guilt> so much misinfo
Aug 07 18:34:52 <linuxxr> keeps changing
Aug 07 18:35:02 <Guilt> keeps worsening
Aug 07 18:35:06 <linuxxr> but its all good
Aug 07 18:35:12 <Guilt> but its not good now
Aug 07 18:35:21 <linuxxr> ahhh
Aug 07 18:35:25 <Guilt> haaa
Aug 07 18:35:26 <linuxxr> whiner
Aug 07 18:35:31 <Guilt> hoper
Aug 07 18:35:34 <mmontour> linuxxr: for u-boot versions, compare the git hash against http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable
Aug 07 18:35:47 <linuxxr> quit being part of the problem:)
Aug 07 18:36:02 <linuxxr> thanks
Aug 07 18:36:17 <Guilt> quit trying to get to solve the problem
Aug 07 18:36:20 <Guilt> ;)
Aug 07 18:36:25 <linuxxr> mmontour
Aug 07 18:36:32 <Guilt> if its not your problem, you don't pay for it.
Aug 07 18:36:33 <Guilt> :-D
Aug 07 18:37:16 <linuxxr> will the car chargers   for a blackberry  work on me freerunner?
Aug 07 18:37:30 <Guilt> linuxxr: see the voltage/amperage specs
Aug 07 18:37:46 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 07 18:37:57 <Torikun> my battery life sucks
Aug 07 18:38:06 <Guilt> mine too
Aug 07 18:38:12 <Guilt> it's like 3-4 hours
Aug 07 18:38:21 <Guilt> i need to talk to my retailer for a replacement
Aug 07 18:38:25 * Torikun I enabled susben after 10 seconds
Aug 07 18:38:27 <linuxxr> gotta have a car charger
Aug 07 18:38:36 <Torikun> I use my eee pc to chage
Aug 07 18:38:37 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 18:39:00 <linuxxr> thats all good till i leave
Aug 07 18:39:06 <Guilt> the lappy -> USB charges takes like 5 times the amount of time the standalone does
Aug 07 18:39:14 <Torikun> wow
Aug 07 18:39:21 <PriceChild> Bish: definitely fail
Aug 07 18:39:33 <Torikun> Hey qtopia people: WHat does the dev mod to charge fast actually do
Aug 07 18:39:36 <Torikun> how does it work
Aug 07 18:40:34 <Guilt> heh .. this is fun: http://xkcd.com/456/
Aug 07 18:40:38 <Guilt> :-)
Aug 07 18:42:36 <Guilt> linux is a conspiracy
Aug 07 18:42:47 <Guilt> first you want it to work and then you need to get it to work
Aug 07 18:42:50 <Guilt> :p 
Aug 07 18:43:01 <Guilt> i'm not recommending linux to anybody sane ;)
Aug 07 18:43:54 <trix> i don't recommend vista to anybody sane
Aug 07 18:44:16 <Guilt> it's not vista or windows
Aug 07 18:44:21 <Guilt> i don't recommend linux
Aug 07 18:44:25 <Guilt> i may recommend BSD
Aug 07 18:44:25 <nikolajsheller> Basically: keep away from computers....
Aug 07 18:44:33 <linuxxr> one of these days windows will be open source
Aug 07 18:44:36 <Guilt> heh. and keep away from open mobile phones ;)
Aug 07 18:44:59 <linuxxr> they already rely on everybody to fix their crap
Aug 07 18:45:04 <Guilt> it's like the moment i'm away from my office or my home computer (where something in linux wont work(
Aug 07 18:45:11 <Guilt> linuxxr: that's what they pay for
Aug 07 18:45:19 <Guilt> and then my mobile doesnt work
Aug 07 18:45:23 <Guilt> and i feel ripped off
Aug 07 18:45:33 <Guilt> the battery. it's the ONLY thing i feel bad about
Aug 07 18:45:39 <linuxxr> they pay for everybody to fix their crap
Aug 07 18:45:47 <Guilt> my older cheaper nokia 2610 was way better 
Aug 07 18:45:49 <Guilt> reliable
Aug 07 18:45:55 <Guilt> linuxxr: that's what jobs are
Aug 07 18:46:11 <Guilt> you get paid to make sure the customer is quietened
Aug 07 18:46:12 <linuxxr> walmart has an att gophone for 9.98
Aug 07 18:46:33 <Torikun> Guilt: The qtopia image is really useable and good right now
Aug 07 18:46:38 <Guilt> we dont have locked sims/mobiles here
Aug 07 18:46:44 <Guilt> Torikun: i'm using the 0806 image
Aug 07 18:46:56 <Torikun> guilt that is crap
Aug 07 18:46:56 <Guilt> yesterday's. are u telling me todays image is MORE usable?
Aug 07 18:47:00 <Guilt> i tend to disagree
Aug 07 18:47:05 <linuxxr> but u can put your sim in that gophone
Aug 07 18:47:18 <Guilt> Torikun: in 1 day, all those issues have been fixed?
Aug 07 18:47:27 <AntonTakk> Guilt: i found asu from 7/15 to be very usable
Aug 07 18:47:27 <Torikun> last month
Aug 07 18:47:45 <dingman> Right now I'm using the 0807 daily, and it's doing everything I expect my Treo to actually pull off, except that it doesn't randomly crash.
Aug 07 18:47:57 <Guilt> AntonTakk: i have issues with windows getting layered wrong
Aug 07 18:48:03 <Pyrasi> i agree with AntonTakk....my ASU build right now is very nice =) 
Aug 07 18:48:22 <Guilt> Pyrasi: what tree are u building from?
Aug 07 18:48:38 <Guilt> anyway. the release is 1 day away. i hope it's stable
Aug 07 18:48:41 <AntonTakk> dingman: keyboard/buttons at the bottom of the screen stopped disapearing when you try to use them?
Aug 07 18:49:05 <Guilt> the icons on the top panel are very tiny
Aug 07 18:49:12 <Pyrasi> i havent updated since last friday, but i was pulling from the ASU tree for the updates to ASU and the old gtk tree and scaredycat repos for my applications (terminal app, bluetooth etc) 
Aug 07 18:49:12 <Guilt> to even use with a stylus
Aug 07 18:49:12 <dingman> In the -qtopia image, yes. What I'm running right now is the 2007.2-based daily
Aug 07 18:49:26 <AntonTakk> oh
Aug 07 18:49:33 <Guilt> are those things fixed? (illume icons)
Aug 07 18:49:42 <AntonTakk> i thought you meant you were using 2008.8 from today  :)
Aug 07 18:50:13 <AntonTakk> Guilt: last i checked, they are just icons, you don't interact with them, that's what exposure is for
Aug 07 18:50:20 <Torikun> Guilt: The iamge from qtopia.net is the best useable image right now
Aug 07 18:50:24 <dingman> Not at the moment. I've been pretty fickle about my images.
Aug 07 18:50:37 <Guilt> AntonTakk: it's not like in om2007.2 is it?
Aug 07 18:50:37 <Guilt> hmm
Aug 07 18:50:46 <Zorkman> mmm y battery discharged like 2% in an hour (2007.2)
Aug 07 18:50:49 <Pyrasi> Anton: thats how mine works as well....the icons appear when i have that thing enabled 
Aug 07 18:50:54 <Guilt> Torikun: i've got that. i didn't flash it because i wanted to use om2008.8
Aug 07 18:50:54 <AntonTakk> Guilt: no (not last i tried)
Aug 07 18:51:01 <Guilt> and personally i like GTK a bit
Aug 07 18:51:02 <Guilt> :-)
Aug 07 18:51:10 <Torikun> Guilt: Me 2 but I have to make phone calls also =)
Aug 07 18:51:26 <dingman> AntonTakk, to be clear, the last image I flashed on was openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 07 18:51:27 <AntonTakk> Pyrasi: teay appear, yes, but you can't actually use the icon for anything other than knowing something is enabled or disabled
Aug 07 18:51:38 <Pyrasi> yea 
Aug 07 18:51:41 <Guilt> Torikun: hehe. i was able to use om2007.2 a bit. the only issue was the suspend/battery time
Aug 07 18:51:42 <Pyrasi> agreed 
Aug 07 18:51:56 <Guilt> it hasnt improved much though. let's see how this new release fixes that
Aug 07 18:52:15 <Torikun> When I do a opkg upgrade on Qtopia, after I reboot when it is finished, qtopia GUI never starts
Aug 07 18:52:20 <AntonTakk> 2007.2 was the most flaky image ime
Aug 07 18:52:30 <Guilt> it was the most usable
Aug 07 18:52:41 <AntonTakk> asu was most usable  :)
Aug 07 18:52:46 <Guilt> AntonTakk: the one i got on 31/7 
Aug 07 18:52:51 <Torikun> Qtopia does everything but wifi.GPS
Aug 07 18:52:53 <Guilt> AntonTakk: ASU isn't out yet
Aug 07 18:53:12 <Guilt> qtopia.net / qtopia-x11 != ASU
Aug 07 18:53:15 <lpotter> qtopia does wifi, just not reliably yet
Aug 07 18:53:21 <AntonTakk> Guilt: it was out, asu - old name, 2008.8 isn't out yet
Aug 07 18:53:36 <Torikun> lpotter: I hear that there will be a new release soon with wifi support?
Aug 07 18:53:40 <Torikun> gui tool 
Aug 07 18:54:19 <AntonTakk> Guilt: anyonw who read understood that gqtopia-x11 was basically asu dev branch
Aug 07 18:54:25 <lpotter> there is already a gui tool
Aug 07 18:54:39 <Torikun> it would not scan
Aug 07 18:55:03 <AntonTakk> i have to admit thou, qtopia seemed the best image for battery life as i remember it
Aug 07 18:55:16 <Torikun> Qtopia is the most useable
Aug 07 18:55:23 <Pyrasi> battery life on my asu build is pretty resonable i think 
Aug 07 18:55:38 <Pyrasi> w/o my sim card and suspend on it uses about 1% per hour 
Aug 07 18:55:43 <AntonTakk> Torikun: it seems to differ widely from person to person
Aug 07 18:56:06 <Torikun> How is FSO milestone 2
Aug 07 18:56:16 <Pyrasi> w/ sim card and suspend on i think it was closer to 2-3% per hour i think 
Aug 07 18:56:23 <AntonTakk> Pyrasi: youre testing the battery life of a phone with the telephony functions effectively disabled....
Aug 07 18:56:45 <Pyrasi> yea...because I use it for other things too....not just as a phone 
Aug 07 18:56:48 <almien> GPSD protocol as installed on OM - is there a document somewhere?  I have a gpsd manpage from somewhere, but OM has different responses to certain commands
Aug 07 18:56:56 <Torikun> lpotter: Why does opkg upgrade cause Qtopia to not start GUI after reboot? Is it a known issue?
Aug 07 18:56:59 <AntonTakk> Torikun: the parts that are implemented work reasonably well, some gui glitches, not enough ststus display, imho
Aug 07 18:57:12 <Torikun> ah
Aug 07 18:57:21 <Pyrasi> I use it as a gps device more than a phone atm anyway 
Aug 07 18:57:32 <AntonTakk> Torikun: like if you dial a call from your contacts, the gui doesn't reflect that  :)
Aug 07 18:57:40 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 18:57:50 <Torikun> AntonTakk: What do you think is the best disto on it now?
Aug 07 18:58:45 <AntonTakk> Torikun: best i have use imho is asu (qtopia-x11 for the pedantic) from 7/15 or possibly 7/22-23
Aug 07 18:59:18 <Torikun> AntonTakk: Everything works?
Aug 07 18:59:29 <AntonTakk> no  :)
Aug 07 18:59:44 <Torikun> What does not work there
Aug 07 18:59:48 <Torikun> I may give it a go
Aug 07 18:59:57 <peter__b> no suspend on the old images
Aug 07 19:00:04 <Torikun> that is it?
Aug 07 19:00:04 <AntonTakk> wifi, bt, suspend
Aug 07 19:00:14 <Torikun> lol wifi is important
Aug 07 19:00:27 <AntonTakk> well, it doesn't work from a gui
Aug 07 19:00:36 <AntonTakk> i bever tried wifi from ssh or terminal
Aug 07 19:00:54 <AntonTakk> never*
Aug 07 19:01:13 <peter__b> working fine
Aug 07 19:01:15 <Pyrasi> wifi bt and suspend all work on mine 
Aug 07 19:01:20 <AntonTakk> also, does not support pdu mode sms
Aug 07 19:01:22 <peter__b> even with those old images
Aug 07 19:01:23 <Torikun> How do you actually use the Software GUI tool in Qtopia? There are no software sources
Aug 07 19:01:46 <Pyrasi> campwifi works on mine for open networks, lint-wifi for others.  Scaredy-cat 
Aug 07 19:01:49 <AntonTakk> but none seem to, so, no suprise
Aug 07 19:02:00 <Pyrasi> 's bluetooth script works as a gui to connect via bluetooth 
Aug 07 19:02:09 <Pyrasi> and suspend has worked great for me 
Aug 07 19:02:17 * AntonTakk is fairly anxious to try 2008.8
Aug 07 19:02:30 <AntonTakk> looks like it has received much polish since 7/15
Aug 07 19:04:30 <linuxxr> pyrasi which roofs u have?
Aug 07 19:04:37 <Pyrasi> 7/15 is the one i used....and i essentially followed these instructions for getting ASU working (a few different tweaks and i installed lots of different software...but that will get suspend etc working for you)  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024129.html  
Aug 07 19:05:28 <Pyrasi> this is the gui bluetooth script i use from the scaredycat stuff: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/btkb?rev=14&root=scutil&view=auto 
Aug 07 19:05:57 <Pyrasi> With all that....ASU works good and has for a while =o 
Aug 07 19:06:13 <AntonTakk> nice
Aug 07 19:07:06 <linuxxr> very nice how-to
Aug 07 19:07:27 <linuxxr> an simple without the BS
Aug 07 19:07:28 <Pyrasi> wasnt written by me....haha....i was actually in the process of writing one when he posted that 
Aug 07 19:07:41 <Pyrasi> beat me to it 
Aug 07 19:08:22 <Pyrasi> note that i would make a backup of your original opkg directory before changing it like he suggests 
Aug 07 19:08:51 <Pyrasi> the orginal one is needed when you want to dl stuff like gpsd, vte, etc... 
Aug 07 19:09:47 <almien> normal for gpsd to use like 60% cpu?
Aug 07 19:12:35 <Pyrasi> i wish there was an easy way to make a backup of my current rootfs....id just post the image for people to dl 
Aug 07 19:13:09 <Pyrasi> dfu-util doesnt seem to work on making a backup of rootfs....just of kernel 
Aug 07 19:13:46 <Torikun> Linux is a OS, that is all you need Pyrasi (Just kidding)
Aug 07 19:16:52 <wyze> Pyrasi - so tar it
Aug 07 19:18:54 <Pyrasi> well...its alittle late to be bothering with it now.....2008.8 comes out in like 6 hours.... 
Aug 07 19:19:22 <Torikun> Is there a last min version of 2008 that Ican get now
Aug 07 19:25:53 <AntonTakk> Pyrasi: dd + sd card should work
Aug 07 19:27:13 <AntonTakk> or, put the fr in usb host mode and attach a cd burner  ;)
Aug 07 19:28:13 <Pyrasi> lol 
Aug 07 19:28:41 <AntonTakk> that's a project i might be able to do, a small python gui for burning/ripping and creating isos  :)
Aug 07 19:29:50 <cbrake> what is fso image root password?
Aug 07 19:30:03 <cjb> there isn't one
Aug 07 19:30:09 <AntonTakk> <blank>
Aug 07 19:30:19 <cbrake> doh, trying to ssh into the host machine
Aug 07 19:30:23 <cbrake> ok, thanks
Aug 07 19:30:24 <AntonTakk> hah
Aug 07 19:31:01 <AntonTakk> actually
Aug 07 19:31:02 <AntonTakk> hrm
Aug 07 19:35:53 <Torikun> Any test images for 2008?
Aug 07 19:37:56 <AntonTakk> gonna have to install the dev stuff and see if I can build wodim packages and etc
Aug 07 19:38:14 <cbrake> are there any feeds where I can get openmoko-mediaplayer2 into a gta02?
Aug 07 19:38:53 <AntonTakk> cbrake: the ones for 2007.2 and qtopia-x11 had it
Aug 07 19:39:06 <|Marco|> is there any form of text reader/viewer ported over yet ?
Aug 07 19:39:22 * |Marco| ping mw| 
Aug 07 19:39:40 <AntonTakk> |Marco|: i know qtopia-x11 has a "notes" program or some such
Aug 07 19:39:51 <|Marco|> hm..
Aug 07 19:40:03 <AntonTakk> have to install it via opkg thou
Aug 07 19:40:09 <Wonka> could anyone tell me how to configure iptables on the FR?
Aug 07 19:40:16 <|Marco|> I belive I saw that, yes... thought it only was for small notes.. I'm thinking about a larger text
Aug 07 19:40:22 <|Marco|> a la The Heretic
Aug 07 19:40:23 <Wonka> the kernel modules are there, but i cannot find an iptables binary atm
Aug 07 19:40:36 <Marcel_M> Pyrasi: you can use netcat: on the host netcat -l -p 20000 > mtdblockx and on the neo/fr cat /dev/mtdblockx | nc 192.168.0.200 20000
Aug 07 19:40:54 <|Marco|> Wonka: You might have to compile it yourself
Aug 07 19:41:00 <AntonTakk> Wonka: may have to build one
Aug 07 19:43:22 <mmaestri> hi all
Aug 07 19:43:29 <spdr> after trying everything, anyone know a gui for the 2007.02 Wifi that works ??
Aug 07 19:44:22 <mmaestri> i've been busy this last few days, haven't touched my phone since then. did I missed something?
Aug 07 19:44:42 <mjr> yeah we're now the top phone in the world
Aug 07 19:44:43 <AntonTakk> nope, 2008.8 being released soon
Aug 07 19:44:50 <AntonTakk> hehe
Aug 07 19:44:55 <mmaestri> i've heard that 2008.8 is coming
Aug 07 19:45:23 <AntonTakk> mjr: yeah, iphone 3.0 is going to be a re-branded fr  ;)
Aug 07 19:45:34 <mmaestri> does it integrate FSO framework already?
Aug 07 19:45:52 <AntonTakk> mmaestri: don't believe so, but i could be horibly mis-informed
Aug 07 19:47:44 <Torikun> An Error orccured, return value:2. <--What does that mean when opkg install python-pygtk
Aug 07 19:48:05 <AntonTakk> afaict, that means it can't find a package with that name
Aug 07 19:48:18 <Torikun> ah
Aug 07 19:48:33 <UndrWater> Torikun: you can get better verbosity with opkg -V 2 install <package>
Aug 07 19:49:03 <Torikun> ty
Aug 07 19:49:11 <AntonTakk> Torikun: or it may simply mean "Newp"  :)
Aug 07 19:49:50 <UndrWater> fwiw, i haven't been able to find python-pygtk
Aug 07 19:49:57 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 19:50:01 <Torikun> joing the club
Aug 07 19:50:17 <UndrWater> hmm...did you check with angstrom?
Aug 07 19:51:18 <Marcel_M> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk
Aug 07 19:51:25 <malik1972> lpotter: ping
Aug 07 19:51:54 <UndrWater> Marcel_M: is that outside of the repo?
Aug 07 19:52:32 <Marcel_M> maybe its possible
Aug 07 19:52:37 <UndrWater> no...looks like it's a part of it
Aug 07 19:53:08 <Marcel_M> yeah its not in the feed
Aug 07 19:53:49 <UndrWater> strange...wasn't able to install the other day
Aug 07 19:54:23 <Marcel_M> its not in the packages file
Aug 07 19:55:58 <ConfidentiaL> which version of the openmoko-qtopia-x11 images is the most stable/functional?
Aug 07 19:56:51 <balrog-k1n> stable or functional? :)
Aug 07 19:56:54 <balrog-k1n> you have to decide
Aug 07 19:57:31 <railer> so 2008.8 gsm gps a go?
Aug 07 19:58:10 <mmaestri> balrog-k1n: i want functional :p
Aug 07 19:58:40 <balrog-k1n> well FSO is rumoured to be stable
Aug 07 19:58:51 <ConfidentiaL> well, do any of them have functional wifi? :P
Aug 07 19:59:08 <Pyrasi> all of them i believe 
Aug 07 19:59:35 <Pyrasi> well...not qtopia i dont think 
Aug 07 19:59:59 <Pyrasi> but ASU/2008.8 and 2007.2 do......actually im not sure about FSO either.... 
Aug 07 20:00:18 <balrog-k1n> all of them except qtopia, asu or om2007.2 ;)
Aug 07 20:00:20 <El_Senator> does 2007.2 have functional wifi?
Aug 07 20:00:22 <ConfidentiaL> how do I get the ASU then...?
Aug 07 20:00:46 <Pyrasi> 2007.2 does yes 
Aug 07 20:00:53 <balrog-k1n> nah, actually wifi needs just the kernel side, so it should work with any distro
Aug 07 20:00:54 <Pyrasi> I was connected to a network the other day 
Aug 07 20:01:02 <jpcass> hi - ive been out of touch with moko developments for over 6 months...
Aug 07 20:01:05 <ConfidentiaL> yeh, I got functional wifi on 2007.2, but the contacts from the sim card was not being imported right
Aug 07 20:01:07 <El_Senator> Pyrasi: hmm... but unusable, right? i mean, unstable connection
Aug 07 20:01:23 <Pyrasi> no....it was working fine for me 
Aug 07 20:01:24 <El_Senator> i haven't been able to use wifi succesfully yet. I get an IP, but the connection is extremely unstable
Aug 07 20:01:28 <jpcass> can anyone tell me what the best firmware is at the moment?  there seems to be a profusion now!
Aug 07 20:01:34 <El_Senator> and i've tried different AP's and freerunners
Aug 07 20:01:43 <jpcass> (and did power management ever get solved on GTA01?)
Aug 07 20:01:56 <ConfidentiaL> I got a pretty good wireless connection with 2007.2, and used it to upgrade and install apps...
Aug 07 20:02:04 <Pyrasi> on ASU i was connected to a network the other day and surfing the web via minimo and downloading maps for tangogps for like 40 mins with no problems 
Aug 07 20:02:25 <El_Senator> Pyrasi: do you use the wpa_supplicant?
Aug 07 20:02:29 <ConfidentiaL> but how do u get ASU?
Aug 07 20:02:40 <zedstar> hi jpcass!
Aug 07 20:02:54 <Pyrasi> no...i was actually connected to an open network then....but my friend uses mofi to connect to a wpa network with no problems 
Aug 07 20:02:58 <jpcass> hi zedstar!
Aug 07 20:03:06 <linuxxr> pyrassi which kernel?
Aug 07 20:03:14 <linuxxr> latest?
Aug 07 20:03:34 <El_Senator> Pyrasi: i'll have to look into it. I've struggled with wifi for weeks, and never got around to getting a stable connection on 2 different setups
Aug 07 20:03:36 <Pyrasi> my friend's with mofi ?  I'm not sure.  Mine was the latest last friday.....i havent updated since then 
Aug 07 20:03:47 <zedstar> jpcass we met at a barcamp sometime back! btw someone was gonna organise a london usergroup meetup
Aug 07 20:04:04 <El_Senator> i just followed the wifi manual guide
Aug 07 20:04:19 <El_Senator> using /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant
Aug 07 20:04:31 <El_Senator> also tried the network/interfaces only solution
Aug 07 20:04:32 <El_Senator> no good
Aug 07 20:04:35 <jpcass> hi zedstar - i remember now!  london meeting soon?
Aug 07 20:04:49 <El_Senator> i get an IP after 10-20 tries, but it's unusable
Aug 07 20:05:11 <zedstar> jpcass supposedly.....someone recently posted and said would set a date
Aug 07 20:05:38 <UndrWater> El_Senator: dhcp?
Aug 07 20:05:44 <El_Senator> UndrWater: yeah
Aug 07 20:05:49 <Pyrasi> When i was on 2007.2 i connected to a wep network fine from the command line with iwconfig et all.....in ASU ive only connected to open networks...but they connected fine via campwifi 
Aug 07 20:06:14 <UndrWater> El_Senator: have you tried: iwconfig essid <essid>; ifup eth0
Aug 07 20:06:27 <El_Senator> UndrWater: i think i have
Aug 07 20:06:50 <El_Senator> UndrWater: i've tried many different solutions, all with same result
Aug 07 20:06:50 <UndrWater> El_Senator: heheh...and you've put a nameserver into /etc/resolv.conf?
Aug 07 20:06:54 <El_Senator> UndrWater: yes
Aug 07 20:06:56 <Pyrasi> iwconfig ESSID <id> key <key> 
Aug 07 20:07:00 <El_Senator> it found the correct nameserver by itself
Aug 07 20:07:33 <jpcass> zedstar: hows your project coming on?  i remember you were developing a mobile social app in a strange language!
Aug 07 20:08:00 <El_Senator> i think i'll just give it another go right now
Aug 07 20:08:13 <linuxxr> go man
Aug 07 20:08:28 <UndrWater> ifconfig shows everything OK?
Aug 07 20:08:33 <El_Senator> UndrWater: yes
Aug 07 20:08:38 <linuxxr> whats with the red light
Aug 07 20:08:42 <El_Senator> that's what boggles me a bit
Aug 07 20:08:56 <UndrWater> linuxxr: should be "charging"
Aug 07 20:09:00 <UndrWater> IIRC
Aug 07 20:09:00 <zedstar> jpcass slowly but still going...recently started coding again...was a bit disillusioned for a while
Aug 07 20:09:08 <El_Senator> everything seems fine, but the ping from my PC to the FR only goes through 1 of 50 times or so
Aug 07 20:09:11 <|Marco|> linuxxr: it's abug that I belive'l be fixed with a overnight patch
Aug 07 20:09:22 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 07 20:09:33 <El_Senator> i thought i had a faulty FR, but then i tried another one, and it was the same
Aug 07 20:09:37 <El_Senator> also with two different AP's
Aug 07 20:09:42 <UndrWater> El_Senator: which image are you using? and has this persisted through several?
Aug 07 20:09:45 <El_Senator> so i'm kinda confused about it
Aug 07 20:09:47 <El_Senator> 2007.2
Aug 07 20:09:55 <El_Senator> it has persisted for several weeks
Aug 07 20:10:07 <El_Senator> and i've updated and flashed a couple times throughout
Aug 07 20:10:22 <El_Senator> but i can't help thinking that i am the problem :D
Aug 07 20:10:33 <El_Senator> because everyone else seems to have it working just fine
Aug 07 20:11:09 <UndrWater> El_Senator: wait, you said "i tried another one"...another FR?
Aug 07 20:11:21 <El_Senator> yes, i have two different FR's
Aug 07 20:11:25 <El_Senator> GTA02 both
Aug 07 20:11:32 <UndrWater> both with the same problem?
Aug 07 20:11:34 <El_Senator> yes
Aug 07 20:11:40 <El_Senator> exactly the same
Aug 07 20:11:47 <UndrWater> you have 2 AP's?
Aug 07 20:11:57 <El_Senator> No, a friend of mine lives just next door
Aug 07 20:11:59 <El_Senator> we have one each
Aug 07 20:12:10 <El_Senator> ah
Aug 07 20:12:14 <jpcass> zedstar: keep it up dude - maybe see you at the london meet...
Aug 07 20:12:14 <El_Senator> damn, sorry
Aug 07 20:12:26 <El_Senator> UndrWater: no, i only have one AP
Aug 07 20:12:31 <El_Senator> but my friend has one too
Aug 07 20:12:36 <UndrWater> i got  that ;)
Aug 07 20:13:26 <zedstar> jpcass thanx....yeh hope so!
Aug 07 20:13:28 <UndrWater> El_Senator: sounds like it should be working...my only thought is that there is some kind of interference near you...have you tried at a public AP?
Aug 07 20:13:37 <jpcass> no one got advice on best firmware for GTA01, and whether power management has improved in the last 6 months?
Aug 07 20:13:48 <El_Senator> UndrWater: no, i haven't tried a public AP yet. I might do that tomorrow
Aug 07 20:14:05 <UndrWater> i'd try that...then start hammering the mailing lists
Aug 07 20:14:31 <zedstar> jpcass mine is still on 2007.2 and permanently plugged in so couldnt tell ya but 2008.8 apparently out tomorrow so might be worth a try
Aug 07 20:14:35 <UndrWater> put together an extremely detailed post with everything you've tried and the results
Aug 07 20:14:42 <El_Senator> UndrWater: yeah, it just seems so odd... to different AP's, two different FR's and AP's about 200 meters apart
Aug 07 20:15:00 <El_Senator> both WEP
Aug 07 20:15:16 <UndrWater> El_Senator: another thing to try is remove the encryption for a session
Aug 07 20:15:16 <El_Senator> but, i won't take up more of your time. I'll go fiddle with it right away
Aug 07 20:15:18 <El_Senator> thanks
Aug 07 20:15:28 <El_Senator> UndrWater: actually, i tried that too
Aug 07 20:15:30 <El_Senator> no good
Aug 07 20:15:34 <UndrWater> OK then ;)
Aug 07 20:15:46 <jpcass> it was the 'permanently plugged in' thing that turned me off 6 months ago!  but id heard philips had released data on power management chipset, hoped for improvement...
Aug 07 20:17:32 <zedstar> jpcass ping speedevil as he probably knows the power situation on gta01
Aug 07 20:17:49 <SpeedEvil> Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible.
Aug 07 20:17:55 <SpeedEvil> It's not really changed.
Aug 07 20:17:57 <zedstar> there u go :)
Aug 07 20:18:05 <jpcass> wow the system works!
Aug 07 20:18:36 <SpeedEvil> hopefully it's going to improve soon now that ces arb has said he's got more time.
Aug 07 20:19:01 <jpcass> ok, great.  gta01 uses same power management chips as freerunner so we will benefit from this development?
Aug 07 20:19:02 <UndrWater> jpcass: have you seen http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html
Aug 07 20:19:25 <jpcass> undrwater: no, but i will look now...
Aug 07 20:23:23 <|Marco|> has anyone managed to compile qte-mt-static successfully with bitbake?
Aug 07 20:25:18 <Kero> recent embryo-native_cvs bitbake/mokomakefile/fso-image, same Q...
Aug 07 20:26:33 <mmaestri> actual qtopia-x11 looks like this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2b1d7338ee8a16269db2fe8541740836.png
Aug 07 20:30:53 <|Marco|> aha, with the kernel image/modules that opkg update/upgrade offers right now, the red aux led while charging works like it should (at the least for me)
Aug 07 20:31:25 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 07 20:32:41 * Tanuva is waiting anxiously for 2008.8 hoping it contains gtk+ and python-pygtk >.<
Aug 07 20:34:38 <Pyrasi> 10mmaestr01: no....that is a skinned version of the 2008.8 
Aug 07 20:34:52 <Pyrasi> someone released a skin for it a while back 
Aug 07 20:38:21 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re6aac0aa847e 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG
Aug 07 20:38:58 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6439872e3d44 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue.
Aug 07 20:38:58 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r37b9ab387767 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue.
Aug 07 20:39:58 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ref8a3e5430e2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592
Aug 07 20:42:38 <linuxxr> here it comes
Aug 07 20:44:23 <mike--2> root@mikemoko:~# opkg install openmoko-messages2
Aug 07 20:44:23 <mike--2> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Aug 07 20:44:28 <mike--2> suggestions?
Aug 07 20:46:18 <abraxa_> mike--2: Grab the ipk and install that - I found no other way around that error myself
Aug 07 20:46:37 <mike--2> abraxa_: thanks!
Aug 07 20:48:56 <mike--2> damn, i got messages2 to reinstall, but it still seg faults
Aug 07 20:55:19 <linuxxr> yay  the power management worked
Aug 07 20:57:13 <linuxxr> maybe that stupid red light could be set to toggle the screen brightness to about 3 levels
Aug 07 20:57:24 <linuxxr> at 1 click
Aug 07 20:58:04 <linuxxr> well i didnt lock
Aug 07 21:04:41 <Torikun> is 2008 out yet?
Aug 07 21:06:32 <mmaestri> after flashing with the last qtopia-x11, I get ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host 
Aug 07 21:07:01 <mmaestri> haven't changed a thing on my host
Aug 07 21:07:31 <mmaestri> and it worked with any other image before
Aug 07 21:09:21 <mmaestri> any thoughts?
Aug 07 21:09:37 <UndrWater> mmaestri: a lot of complaints about that on the mailing list
Aug 07 21:09:45 <mmaestri> ok
Aug 07 21:10:06 <UndrWater> i think the response was to go back to an older kernel where it worked
Aug 07 21:10:21 <UndrWater> or wait for the update ;)
Aug 07 21:10:38 <mmaestri> and how long will it take...for the update...?
Aug 07 21:10:39 <UndrWater> apparently the modules are not pulled in automatically...
Aug 07 21:10:43 <UndrWater> dunno
Aug 07 21:11:55 <Zorkman> anyone know at what time 2008.8 will be released?
Aug 07 21:11:59 <UndrWater> http://warmcat.com/uImage-moredrivers-stable_507c3c1ba3921bb7.bin
Aug 07 21:12:08 <UndrWater> mmaestri: you can try that kernel
Aug 07 21:12:13 <Torikun> Zorkman: IT was supposed to be today
Aug 07 21:12:31 <mmaestri> UndrWater: ok, thx
Aug 07 21:12:36 <Zorkman> yeah, at what time, the hour i mean
Aug 07 21:13:01 <Torikun> anybody know?
Aug 07 21:14:00 <Torikun> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/  <--not yet uploaded
Aug 07 21:14:38 <malik1972> UndrWater: nice icons and cartoons on that page
Aug 07 21:15:07 <mmaestri> does anybody knows if that release will get that shiny new skin i've seen on scap.linuxtogo.org?
Aug 07 21:15:24 <Torikun> I hope it looks like the advertisment on the openmoko page
Aug 07 21:15:25 <Torikun> atleast
Aug 07 21:15:26 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 21:15:41 <malik1972> mmaestri: i guess not, but u can install it afterwards
Aug 07 21:16:46 <abraxa_> mmaestri: You can always grab it at http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ and install it if you feel like it
Aug 07 21:17:10 <Torikun> what firmware is that
Aug 07 21:17:12 <Torikun> that looks cool
Aug 07 21:18:37 <Torikun> anyone in San Fran?
Aug 07 21:18:44 <brian|lfs> hello
Aug 07 21:18:49 <Torikun> hi brian|lfs
Aug 07 21:19:02 <brian|lfs> will the battery charge on my openmoko if its to dead for my openmoko to turn on even
Aug 07 21:19:20 <brian|lfs> I was going to plug my openmoko ino and mess with it but even pugged into my computer it won't turn on
Aug 07 21:19:22 <Torikun> That is a good question, I await the answer...............
Aug 07 21:19:36 <Torikun> Haveyou tried to plug it in to the wall?
Aug 07 21:19:42 <brian|lfs> so I unpugged it and plugged it straight into the wall
Aug 07 21:19:55 <Pyrasi> plug it in and wait for about 4 hours and try again 
Aug 07 21:20:00 <brian|lfs> and its been a few minutes and its not turning on
Aug 07 21:20:08 <brian|lfs> oh ok
Aug 07 21:20:23 <Torikun> any news on 2008?
Aug 07 21:20:26 <mmontour> brian|lfs: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU.2FCharger_Issue (you may need to "jump-start" the phone with a Nokia battery)
Aug 07 21:20:51 <brian|lfs> I'm kind of wondering if I have a bad battery
Aug 07 21:21:21 <Torikun> If the battery's terminal voltage is low but greater than zero then the Neo1973 recovery method may work: Disconnect USB, remove the battery, wait 10 seconds, re-insert the battery, re-connect USB, let it charge for 1 hour (or more) without pressing any buttons. 
Aug 07 21:22:18 <jpcass> that worked for me, battery had been sitting in device for > 6 months; pretty dead.
Aug 07 21:22:24 <Pyrasi> i drained mine the other day and had to leave it plugged in for awhile to let it charge at 100 ma before i could turn it on to charge at 500.....id recommend just trying that first.  (Just in case i ever run the battery all the way out, i bought an extrenal li-ion charger though ;) ) 
Aug 07 21:22:34 <brian|lfs> ya I see that
Aug 07 21:23:39 <brian|lfs> where can I get an external charger at?
Aug 07 21:23:57 <brian|lfs> one fo rmy camera might work actually lol
Aug 07 21:25:07 <Pyrasi> i just bought a universal external charger off ebay (shipped for cheap from hongkong =P)...havent tried it on my freerunner battery yet, but i tried it on a an old motorola battery and it seemed to work.... 
Aug 07 21:26:03 <Torikun> .kde4 for the freeRunner? 
Aug 07 21:26:10 <Torikun> that be cool
Aug 07 21:30:59 <|Marco|> OUCH!!
Aug 07 21:39:10 <UndrWater> mmaestri: did that kernel work for you?
Aug 07 21:40:06 <Dave> :)
Aug 07 21:42:07 <brian|lfs> I think I found the charger you where talking about
Aug 07 21:42:17 <brian|lfs> its 4.97 cents
Aug 07 21:42:36 <brian|lfs> a lot cheaper then the over priced openmoko
Aug 07 21:43:20 <Torikun> 20080808 is doing the firefox 3 release style lmfao
Aug 07 21:45:24 <UndrWater> how's that?
Aug 07 21:47:27 <mmaestri> UndrWater: yes it did, thx
Aug 07 21:48:15 <mmaestri> i was trying that skin i mentioned before. it's nice, although i feel qtopia-x11 a bit slow
Aug 07 21:49:55 <Torikun> mmaestri: let's hope 2008 is good
Aug 07 21:53:32 <mmaestri> Torikun: hope is the last thing we have...isn't?
Aug 07 21:55:17 <Torikun> yup
Aug 07 21:55:22 <Torikun> hope followed by disappointment
Aug 07 21:55:23 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 21:55:34 <Torikun> When will 200808 be released?
Aug 07 21:56:15 <UndrWater> Torikun: oy...it'll be announced ;)
Aug 07 21:56:20 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 21:56:22 <Torikun> Im excited
Aug 07 21:56:23 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 21:56:24 <railer> soon but I don't know the exact time
Aug 07 21:56:41 <railer> why don't we have a countdown timer?
Aug 07 21:57:35 <SpeedEvil>  np: Europe - Final Countdown
Aug 07 21:59:23 <railer> Could someone please put up a countdown timer as to when the countdown timer will be built?
Aug 07 22:00:04 <Torikun> I want to reflash it before I leave work
Aug 07 22:01:12 <UndrWater> railer: :P
Aug 07 22:03:29 <linuxxr> zhone is too cool
Aug 07 22:04:19 <linuxxr> i think i stay with zhone atleast 2 days
Aug 07 22:04:36 <ronny> zhone?
Aug 07 22:06:15 <mmaestri> linuxxr: i like it too. but i couldn't build  a fso-image yet, and it takes so long until a new image is released
Aug 07 22:07:27 <UndrWater> will 2008 come with zhone?
Aug 07 22:07:30 <mmaestri> by the way, repos for 2008.8 seem to be up http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
Aug 07 22:07:58 <Torikun> do I have to install the older fversion? I am using qtopia now
Aug 07 22:10:52 <confidential1> when do you think 2008.8 will be released?
Aug 07 22:11:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf68f1bb98bd4 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd.conf: Follow oeventd -> oeventsd change in dbus config
Aug 07 22:11:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r97c72c62f5e5 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add constants describing PDU fields
Aug 07 22:11:21 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r6800373888dc 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): ogsmd: Redo the phonenumber function
Aug 07 22:17:41 <UndrWater> anyone know of a libsdl that will install?
Aug 07 22:19:31 <johngay> Evenin' everybody!
Aug 07 22:20:26 <holycow> heh
Aug 07 22:20:28 <holycow> i haven't checked the moko mailing list for 30 days
Aug 07 22:20:30 <holycow> 2500 messages
Aug 07 22:20:32 <holycow> holycanoly
Aug 07 22:20:34 <holycow> btw, hello
Aug 07 22:21:31 <johngay> Anyone know when there will be more freerunners available from Openmoko?
Aug 07 22:24:52 <linuxxr> some how i have the brightness on qtopia  set wrong   wheres the adjustment?
Aug 07 22:25:10 <donomo> i love how openmoko.com says yes buy one! and 3 pages later is says they're out of stock (sarcasm)
Aug 07 22:25:55 <linuxxr> how do u set the bright - dim setting on qtopia?
Aug 07 22:26:36 <lpotter_> settings->light and power
Aug 07 22:28:41 <confidential1> is it true what it says in the wiki that qtopia has no web browsers available...?
Aug 07 22:29:26 <Torikun> Yes confidential
Aug 07 22:29:29 <Torikun> I am running qtopia now
Aug 07 22:29:32 <xt> where's my 2008.8
Aug 07 22:29:38 <Torikun> and will remove it hen 2008.8 is released soon
Aug 07 22:29:49 <lpotter_> qtopia will have a web browser in 4.4 release, 
Aug 07 22:29:54 <lpotter_> which is happening in a few weeks
Aug 07 22:30:04 <Torikun> xt: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/  <---reop, try upgrading opkg update
Aug 07 22:30:04 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 22:30:39 <xt> Torikun: last updated 06 aug
Aug 07 22:30:50 <Torikun> That is the confusing part
Aug 07 22:31:27 <linuxxr> watacurve
Aug 07 22:32:00 <confidential1> will 2008.8 be much more functional and stable than the openmoko-qtopia-x11 images?
Aug 07 22:32:12 <Torikun> I hope for the love of God that it is
Aug 07 22:32:20 <Torikun> 20080807 was so bad...
Aug 07 22:32:26 <Torikun> not even useable
Aug 07 22:32:36 <Torikun> the screenshots for 200808 looks awesome
Aug 07 22:33:59 <johngay> When the first batch arrived, I was too strapped for cash. Now my finacial advisor (wife) says I can order one, they're sold out )=
Aug 07 22:34:12 <Torikun> johngay: from kulu?
Aug 07 22:34:15 <Torikun> I ordered mine last week
Aug 07 22:34:20 <cjb> Torikun: where are the screenshots?
Aug 07 22:34:21 <Torikun> and arrived a few days ago
Aug 07 22:34:46 <Torikun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 22:34:49 <Torikun> cjb: there
Aug 07 22:34:53 <johngay> Really? I thought ALL the american ones were sold out.
Aug 07 22:35:01 <confidential1> well, I guess I'll try Qtopia in the meantime then. Tried using 2007.2, but that had too buggy contact management, and too bad SMS management. The 200807 openmoko-qtopia-x11 image was also pretty buggy and very little usable, just that the phone part was good, and the contacts were loaded correctly...
Aug 07 22:35:21 <Torikun> confidential wait for the 200808 which is part qtopia , release is a few hours or less
Aug 07 22:35:49 <Torikun> http://www.koolu.com/  <--I got my free runner from there
Aug 07 22:35:52 <Torikun> they have phones available
Aug 07 22:36:00 <zash> 080808!
Aug 07 22:36:05 <Torikun> where
Aug 07 22:36:10 <Torikun> zash: where
Aug 07 22:37:40 <zash> Torikun: date +%y%m%d
Aug 07 22:38:20 <zash> :D
Aug 07 22:38:24 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 22:38:26 <Torikun> not released yet
Aug 07 22:38:45 <Torikun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8
Aug 07 22:38:52 <Torikun> Mine arrived a few days ago, kick ass device
Aug 07 22:39:05 <Torikun> oops
Aug 07 22:39:07 <Torikun> wrong window
Aug 07 22:39:22 <zash> it would be cool to release 2008.08 today, anyways
Aug 07 22:40:04 <Torikun> they might have to change it to 20090101
Aug 07 22:40:05 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 22:40:29 <zash> but, "released 08/08/08"!
Aug 07 22:40:49 <UndrWater> clever
Aug 07 22:40:55 <confidential1> very...
Aug 07 22:43:22 <Torikun> Not Found The requested URL /daily/freerunner/200808/200808/ was not found on this server.
Aug 07 22:44:25 <donomo> sep 10 will also be cool
Aug 07 22:44:31 <donomo> 08-09-10
Aug 07 22:45:12 <Torikun> lol
Aug 07 22:45:15 <mmaestri> Torikun: that url is wrong
Aug 07 22:45:22 <SirBob1701> is anyone releaseing the dev builds of ASU?
Aug 07 22:45:29 <Torikun> what is the correct url
Aug 07 22:46:07 <mmaestri> if it were released today, i guess http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/
Aug 07 22:46:25 <mmaestri> or http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/
Aug 07 22:47:01 <mmaestri> but your url lacks the 07 or 08 at the end
Aug 07 22:47:12 <Torikun> yup
Aug 07 22:47:15 <SirBob1701> did you see that list post about the qtopia builds?
Aug 07 22:47:17 <Torikun> you click the folder
Aug 07 22:47:22 <Torikun> no explaoin
Aug 07 22:47:52 <cjb> oh, weird
Aug 07 22:47:59 <cjb> I thought ASU was dying in favor of FSO
Aug 07 22:49:12 <mmaestri> cjb: well...it seems that asu will be the next milestone, and the fso framework will be integrated to it
Aug 07 22:49:14 <donomo> i thought 2007.2 and its kind were dead.
Aug 07 22:49:38 <SirBob1701> are FSO builds on buildhost too?
Aug 07 22:49:43 <donomo> id be surprized if FSO merges with anything. its pretty unique using python and evolution libraries
Aug 07 22:49:46 <cjb> donomo: so, 2008.8 is not the same kind as 2007.2
Aug 07 22:49:51 <cjb> it's all pretty ridiculous
Aug 07 22:49:54 <donomo> cjb: reeeally
Aug 07 22:49:55 <UndrWater> mmaestri: i'd like to get zhone workikng with 2008...
Aug 07 22:50:00 <Torikun> cjb: 2008 is based off qtopia
Aug 07 22:50:07 <donomo> zomg. the confusion.
Aug 07 22:50:09 <Torikun> or has a lot of qtopia in it
Aug 07 22:50:13 <Torikun> 2007 was GTK
Aug 07 22:50:18 <mmaestri> fso is just a placeholder for the framework
Aug 07 22:50:37 <donomo> 2008.8 sounds like the new ASU
Aug 07 22:50:43 <mmaestri> as zhone is a placeholder for its capabilities
Aug 07 22:50:48 <UndrWater> yep...but i installed zhone on ASU, didn't look the same at all :P
Aug 07 22:50:49 <donomo> maybe ASU should be called 2008.4
Aug 07 22:50:53 <UndrWater> ahhh
Aug 07 22:51:01 <mmaestri> 2008.8 will be based on qtopia-x11
Aug 07 22:51:13 <Torikun> any idea how much longer
Aug 07 22:51:20 <donomo> openmoko hired rasterman right? why would they be putting work into qtopia
Aug 07 22:51:26 <donomo> when the have the evolution stuff
Aug 07 22:52:20 <mmaestri> donomo: seems that they liked qtopia better
Aug 07 22:52:26 <Torikun> qtopia is better
Aug 07 22:52:27 <Torikun> stable
Aug 07 22:52:31 <Torikun> and made good for a phone
Aug 07 22:52:34 <dingman> donomo, qtopia is more mature as a featurephone OS
Aug 07 22:53:03 <Torikun> Ihope 2008.08 can view my sim card contacts!
Aug 07 22:53:17 <dingman> Merging that stuff in with the X11 display approach and the ability to keep using GTK or the Enlightenment toolkit for new apps lets them have both.
Aug 07 22:54:05 <dingman> Torikun, every image I've tried since my FreeRunner got here could see my SIM contacts.
Aug 07 22:54:29 <Torikun> Qtopia was the only one that worked with mine dingman GTK versions had issues
Aug 07 22:55:10 <confidential1> same here Torikun, just that I tried the openmoko-qtopia-x11 image, which I believe had some qtopia in it...
Aug 07 22:55:17 <Torikun> Yup
Aug 07 22:55:24 <Torikun> exit
Aug 07 22:55:27 <confidential1> and it worked on that, but not on 2007.2
Aug 07 22:55:32 <dingman> The factory image did, the various dailies, both -devel and -qtopia-x11 have. Framework milestone two did nothing, so I couldn't tell if it knew the contacts were there
Aug 07 22:56:07 <dingman> and of course qtopia did, too.
Aug 07 22:56:22 <mmaestri> weird. using last qtopia-x11, every time i try to use any qtopia based app, the lower bar (buttons like options and back) dissapear when i touch it
Aug 07 22:56:39 <Torikun> mmaestri: That is a normal error on that version he he
Aug 07 22:56:43 <mmaestri> the bar just goes away
Aug 07 22:56:49 <Torikun> actually a `feature`
Aug 07 22:56:52 <mmaestri> funny, huh?
Aug 07 22:56:54 <confidential1> mmaestri: same here... :S
Aug 07 22:57:35 <UndrWater> suppose it's fixed?
Aug 07 22:57:46 <Torikun> the screenshots for 200808 looked awesome
Aug 07 22:57:49 <Torikun> It should be
Aug 07 22:58:03 <mmaestri> soo...what we have so far? will asu make all this "little things" dissapear...?
Aug 07 22:58:13 <Torikun> Have faith
Aug 07 22:58:19 <donomo> Torikun: url for the screenshots?
Aug 07 22:58:43 <Torikun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8  <--donomo
Aug 07 22:59:44 <donomo> Torikun: thx
Aug 07 22:59:53 <Torikun> np
Aug 07 23:00:37 <confidential1> which distro is the third screenshot here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ?
Aug 07 23:00:49 <confidential1> sorry, fourth:P
Aug 07 23:00:55 <Torikun> that is the gtk one
Aug 07 23:01:00 <Torikun> 2007
Aug 07 23:01:04 <Torikun> .something
Aug 07 23:01:20 <confidential1> 2007.2 ?
Aug 07 23:01:58 <Torikun> Try it
Aug 07 23:02:28 <railer> Re-design themes by customizing your own Edje files. - thats what I want to know
Aug 07 23:02:28 <xt> why doesnt screen work
Aug 07 23:14:03 <ozzloy> how do i play music in the qtopia media player?
Aug 07 23:16:05 <SirBob1701> here is an unrelated to openmoko question wtf does this mean http://wiki.modruby.net/en/?FAQ#Can%27t+require+libraries+by+the+%60loading+from+unsafe+path%27+error.
Aug 07 23:16:08 <SirBob1701> lol
Aug 07 23:18:01 <UndrWater> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/  
Aug 07 23:18:17 <Torikun> not releases ye
Aug 07 23:18:23 <johngay> Damn! I was just confirming my order with paypal and konq crashed. Now I don't know if it went through or not.
Aug 07 23:18:28 <UndrWater> no...but you can make a .conf and upgrade
Aug 07 23:18:38 <Torikun> reop files are not dated today
Aug 07 23:18:45 <Torikun> 06-Aug-2008 12:45 
Aug 07 23:18:54 <UndrWater> johngay: you can check your paypal account to see if it id
Aug 07 23:18:56 <UndrWater> *did
Aug 07 23:19:06 <UndrWater> Torikun: make your own
Aug 07 23:19:07 <xhrit> ...
Aug 07 23:19:34 <johngay> But I didn't open an account, I just entered my credit card details. )=
Aug 07 23:19:34 <xhrit> what is wrong with the mediaplayer on my phone - all teh icons are missing and teh sound sucks.
Aug 07 23:19:49 <UndrWater> oohhh
Aug 07 23:20:01 <UndrWater> you can check your CC account then
Aug 07 23:20:08 <UndrWater> call or check online
Aug 07 23:20:09 <xhrit> i adjusted the settings in alsaconfig
Aug 07 23:20:43 <xhrit> and read all the forums about the ef so i turned all the wireless devices off...
Aug 07 23:20:54 <xhrit> rf, lol
Aug 07 23:21:14 <johngay> Guess I'll have to. My finacial advisor takes care of that stuff for me. I left koolu a message.
Aug 07 23:21:18 <xhrit> the music plays fine in mplayer using the command line...
Aug 07 23:21:56 <xhrit> and all teh system sounds/ phone calls work, so i am pretty sure it is just an issue with the mediaplayer.
Aug 07 23:24:40 <cjb> you guys might be amused to hear that I'm likely to fail to meet up with Sean because FSO didn't beep when I got an SMS
Aug 07 23:24:50 <cjb> maybe he'll be amused too :)
Aug 07 23:26:25 <cjb> is there a way to get FSO to tell me when I received an SMS?
Aug 07 23:26:26 <cjb> that would help
Aug 07 23:26:29 <Robot101> call him? :P
Aug 07 23:30:09 <railer> mplayer plays mp3's now?
Aug 07 23:30:20 <cjb> has done for years, yeah
Aug 07 23:30:34 <cjb> it needs an mp3 decoder for all of the video codecs that use mp3 for audio, which is a lot of them
Aug 07 23:30:39 <railer> still havn't tried it
Aug 07 23:30:48 <railer> it's on my list
Aug 07 23:32:23 <Dave> Railer!
Aug 07 23:38:43 <xhrit> why does home only show a close all applications button if i have an application selected?
Aug 07 23:39:01 <abraxa_> xhrit: Which distribution?
Aug 07 23:39:14 <xhrit> 2007.2?
Aug 07 23:39:41 <xhrit> what distro should i be using?
Aug 07 23:40:13 <abraxa_> xhrit: Ah. In that case you'll most likely want to press the power button shortly to close an application instead of using the program list that the today screen offers :)
Aug 07 23:42:25 <koenigjm> Hey all, anyone have any luck getting SMS working on the TMobile network?
Aug 07 23:42:35 <SpeedEvil> koenigjm: US?
Aug 07 23:42:42 <koenigjm> it says I have a message, but when I got to open the app closes....yep, US
Aug 07 23:42:45 <SpeedEvil> Worked just fine for me i hte UK
Aug 07 23:43:05 <abraxa_> koenigjm: Which distribution?
Aug 07 23:43:09 <koenigjm> 2007.2
Aug 07 23:43:43 <koenigjm> I am looking at switching distros, so maybe it won't be such a problem :P
Aug 07 23:43:53 <koenigjm> Is FSO a good distro?
Aug 07 23:43:57 <abraxa_> koenigjm: I'd assume it to be a bug as 2007.2 is unmaintained (SHR aside). I'd try 2008.8 instead.
Aug 07 23:44:06 <koenigjm> is that out?
Aug 07 23:44:11 <koenigjm> I thought that was still in dev
Aug 07 23:44:18 <abraxa_> koenigjm: It is, but I don't know about SMS support. You can strill try, though.
Aug 07 23:44:25 <abraxa_> I meant
Aug 07 23:44:37 <abraxa_> koenigjm: FSO is good, but I don't know about SMS support. You can strill try, though.
Aug 07 23:44:51 <abraxa_> And 2008.8 has been out in the form of ASU
Aug 07 23:45:06 <koenigjm> ASU?
Aug 07 23:45:28 <abraxa_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
Aug 07 23:45:39 <koenigjm> Ah, thanks
Aug 07 23:45:42 <xt> ASU SHHMAZU
Aug 07 23:45:45 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41524bd4afcc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: and efl up - get batget changes to handle new "strange" 'not charging' state.
Aug 07 23:45:49 <SpeedEvil> ~ASU
Aug 07 23:45:50 <apt> methinks asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution.  See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan.
Aug 07 23:46:44 <UndrWater> now August Software Update ;)
Aug 07 23:48:30 <trix> koenigjm, I have t-mobile in the US and am sending and receiving SMS fine using 2007.2
Aug 07 23:48:38 <Torikun> when is 2008 coming out
Aug 07 23:48:41 <xt> today
Aug 07 23:48:47 <Torikun> :-$ when
Aug 07 23:48:47 <Torikun> l0ol
Aug 07 23:48:53 <xt> $TODAY
Aug 07 23:49:11 <koenigjm> Trix:  hug, what software are you using?  the standard "Messages" app?
Aug 07 23:49:18 <koenigjm> *hug = huh
Aug 07 23:49:33 <trix> koenigjm, yes. i'm all opkg updated/upgraded
Aug 07 23:50:13 <koenigjm> trix: so am I....hmmm..
Aug 07 23:51:27 <trix> koenigjm, you might tail -f /tmp/x.log and then go to open up the messages app and see if it writes anything to it
Aug 07 23:52:07 <koenigjm> trix:  good idea.  I figured I would stop here first see if someone else had encountered the same problem.
Aug 07 23:54:12 <trix> koenigjm, opkg list_installed openmoko-messages2
Aug 07 23:54:26 <trix> openmoko-messages2 - 0.1.0+svnr4340-r1   is what i have
Aug 07 23:54:41 <koenigjm> trix:  ok, I am just ran opkg upgrade again...and it seems that I don't have the latest...
Aug 07 23:55:01 <koenigjm> I guess I will keep running it until it no longer upgrades anything
Aug 07 23:56:16 <trix> that's gotta be it then
Aug 08 00:02:26 <ozzloy> i have the qtopia media player working, but the volume is _really_ loud.  how do i turn it down?
Aug 08 00:03:55 <railer> pull the ear phone slightly out of your ear?
Aug 08 00:04:13 <ozzloy> heh, that's what i did for now
Aug 08 00:04:25 <ozzloy> as long as i'm sitting at my desk, i should be fine
Aug 08 00:04:45 <railer> hold on looking, there is a mixer you can add
Aug 08 00:05:15 <ozzloy> railer: nm, i got it
Aug 08 00:05:16 <railer> installed but not tried
Aug 08 00:05:30 <ozzloy> you tap the progress bar and it turns into a volume bar
Aug 08 00:05:38 <xhrit> why cant i use the fish ioslave to log on to the freerunner?
Aug 08 00:05:54 <xhrit> i mean, i can, but when ever i try and do something it bombs out...
Aug 08 00:07:04 <ozzloy> actually it's still pretty loud even though i have it almost all the way down
Aug 08 00:08:25 <darmou> will there be a 3g neo freerunner for the consumer release?
Aug 08 00:08:59 <ozzloy> darmou: maybe the next hardware release
Aug 08 00:09:51 <Dave> yo railer
Aug 08 00:10:46 <kd8ikt> oh yeah my spare nokia battery just saved my butt
Aug 08 00:10:46 <rooly> whew
Aug 08 00:10:48 * rooly almost killed his battery
Aug 08 00:10:51 <Dave> cay dee eight
Aug 08 00:10:56 <kd8ikt> me2 rooly 
Aug 08 00:11:02 <Dave> holy exploding batteries batman!
Aug 08 00:11:02 <rooly> i was lucky tho
Aug 08 00:11:10 <rooly> i plugged it into my laptop and tried booting twice
Aug 08 00:11:13 <rooly> got it on the 2nd round
Aug 08 00:11:36 <kd8ikt> On-line, battery status critical: 4% (45d+12:15:00)
Aug 08 00:11:57 <rooly> what's the battery command?
Aug 08 00:12:04 <kd8ikt> apm
Aug 08 00:12:41 <Dave> battery command? o_O
Aug 08 00:12:49 <kd8ikt> (a)dvanced (p)ower (m)anagement
Aug 08 00:13:03 <Dave> What's all this about battery shit?
Aug 08 00:13:24 <kd8ikt> nothin
Aug 08 00:14:03 * Dave rolls his eyes
Aug 08 00:14:44 <kd8ikt> Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye  -HAL 9000
Aug 08 00:14:58 <kgoetz> hhe
Aug 08 00:15:11 <kd8ikt> Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. 
Aug 08 00:16:39 <brian|lfs> this sucks
Aug 08 00:16:47 <brian|lfs> my openmoko still don't turn on
Aug 08 00:17:30 <kd8ikt> overly discharged the batt
Aug 08 00:17:39 <xhrit> lame
Aug 08 00:17:40 <xhrit> Wôÿ
Aug 08 00:17:40 <xhrit> ÿÿ
Aug 08 00:17:40 <xhrit>   {@h
Aug 08 00:17:52 <brian|lfs> maybe no clue
Aug 08 00:18:05 <kd8ikt> have a nokia phone with a similar batt?
Aug 08 00:18:06 <xhrit> i have a 0kb file named that in /home/root
Aug 08 00:18:09 <si-m1> try the vulcan mind meld: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003458.html
Aug 08 00:18:44 <brian|lfs> I didn't what was susgest took the battery out and put it back in and no luck
Aug 08 00:18:57 <brian|lfs> I left it alone a few hours
Aug 08 00:19:15 <rooly> hrm
Aug 08 00:19:23 <rooly> having trouble ssh-ing into mah phone
Aug 08 00:20:27 <kd8ikt> .168.0.202
Aug 08 00:20:35 <kd8ikt> yeah sometimes my phone wont bring up the usb interface so i have to manually through the phones console type "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202
Aug 08 00:21:09 <SirBob1701> ha i just wrote a script to do that lol so i just run that then ssh 
Aug 08 00:21:10 <rooly> ic
Aug 08 00:21:30 <rooly> oh, dur
Aug 08 00:21:35 <kd8ikt> if thats what you meanmaybe ifup usb0 would also do the trick
Aug 08 00:21:36 <rooly> no wonder, it's just excessively slow is all
Aug 08 00:21:51 <rooly> the power part is taking up most of the communication
Aug 08 00:22:52 <UndrWater> where are the .desktop files located?
Aug 08 00:23:03 <brian|lfs> should I try a blackberry ac adaptor I would think it would have to be the same voltage
Aug 08 00:23:22 <mmaestri> UndrWater: /usr/share/Applications/
Aug 08 00:23:27 * Dave beats kd8ikt with his c64
Aug 08 00:24:01 <rooly> 8%
Aug 08 00:24:08 <rooly> (4:25:00)
Aug 08 00:24:10 <UndrWater> mmaestri: thanks...for me it was /usr/share/applications ;)
Aug 08 00:24:21 <kd8ikt> what was that for dave
Aug 08 00:26:45 <mmaestri> damn case sensitive shell...:p
Aug 08 00:27:49 <SirBob1701> mmaestri: damn windows people
Aug 08 00:28:00 <koenigjm> *is learning about how the OS runs on openmoko* so all the OS files exits on flash memory in the phone and the mSD cards are just used for extra storage?
Aug 08 00:29:09 <rooly> yes
Aug 08 00:29:10 <balrog-k1n> in the default set up, yes
Aug 08 00:29:17 <rooly> however, you can do special things
Aug 08 00:29:18 <balrog-k1n> you can invert this situation easily
Aug 08 00:29:19 <UndrWater> koenigjm: yes...as long as you aren't booting into SD
Aug 08 00:29:21 * rooly wants an lvm
Aug 08 00:29:57 <koenigjm> Ah ok, is there advantages booting to mSD over the other?  or is it mostly and experimentation thing?
Aug 08 00:30:15 <brian|lfs> is there a reutrn policy for dead on arriveal
Aug 08 00:30:43 <Dave> kd8ikt for your fucking hal reference!
Aug 08 00:30:50 * Dave grawrs
Aug 08 00:32:02 <railer> r Hey Dave
Aug 08 00:32:49 <Dave> yo yo yo
Aug 08 00:32:49 <rooly> koenigjm, it's so you can have 2 phone OS's at once usually
Aug 08 00:32:50 <rooly> or 3
Aug 08 00:32:52 <rooly> or 4
Aug 08 00:32:55 <rooly> or 5
Aug 08 00:33:39 <mmaestri> SirBob1701: without windows people we wouldn't have the measure of things done wrong...
Aug 08 00:33:42 <koenigjm> *nod nod* ok
Aug 08 00:33:44 <railer> how goes the phone hacking
Aug 08 00:34:12 <Dave> more like breaking
Aug 08 00:34:14 <Dave> though yeah
Aug 08 00:34:18 <Dave> quite well actually :)
Aug 08 00:34:23 <Dave> also melting :p
Aug 08 00:34:31 <railer> me too hot here
Aug 08 00:34:43 <railer> 3 days +30
Aug 08 00:35:08 <rooly> whew!
Aug 08 00:35:15 <rooly> 19,000 files to DL in tangogps
Aug 08 00:35:17 <Dave> geeze
Aug 08 00:35:22 <Dave> hahaha
Aug 08 00:35:28 <Dave> that's nothing :)
Aug 08 00:35:32 <kd8ikt> so did the xserver fix make it into the daily-feed yet?
Aug 08 00:35:42 <aggtrfrad> im looking for a good keypad, soething like the one from debian
Aug 08 00:35:42 <rooly> i hope it did
Aug 08 00:35:43 <Dave> xserver fix?
Aug 08 00:35:50 <Dave> with respect to the pointer glitch?
Aug 08 00:35:58 <Dave> which has yet to be fixed.
Aug 08 00:35:58 <kd8ikt> yes
Aug 08 00:36:05 <kd8ikt> its fixed
Aug 08 00:36:11 <Dave> oh snap?
Aug 08 00:36:13 * rooly finds that gtk apps using the om2008.8 are quite glitchy
Aug 08 00:36:42 <kd8ikt>  wget http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk
Aug 08 00:37:04 <cjb> Dave: fixed that last night. 
Aug 08 00:37:05 <Dave> BLAMO!
Aug 08 00:37:14 <Dave> cjb, vondeful!
Aug 08 00:37:26 * cjb takes a bow.
Aug 08 00:37:32 <rooly> what's the fix for gps again?
Aug 08 00:37:45 <cjb> rooly: update kernel?
Aug 08 00:38:17 <rooly> no, something about chaning a /dev/ttyblah to /dev/ttySAC1 somewhere
Aug 08 00:38:39 <cjb> oh, that's on the GPS wiki page
Aug 08 00:39:05 <Dave> :)
Aug 08 00:39:33 * Dave beers cjb
Aug 08 00:40:10 <mmaestri> have any of you seen this? http://gizmodo.com/5034122/guy-buys-999-im-rich-app-discovers-hes-just-dumb
Aug 08 00:40:22 <mmaestri> iphone people is quite funny
Aug 08 00:40:38 <mmaestri> or should i say dumb?
Aug 08 00:42:00 <leinir> A bit of both :)
Aug 08 00:42:42 <rooly> my brother uses an iphone
Aug 08 00:42:46 <rooly> i showed him my phone
Aug 08 00:42:51 <rooly> he's all like "meh"
Aug 08 00:43:03 <rooly> and i harp on him how crappy his phone's OS is every time i can
Aug 08 00:43:05 <rooly> seriously
Aug 08 00:43:25 <rooly> who lets the web browser take root control via a damned image plugin!?
Aug 08 00:43:36 <trix> my friend's iphone completely crashed as he was trying to show me a "more cowbell" program he got from the app store.
Aug 08 00:43:43 <rooly> lol
Aug 08 00:43:44 <leinir> Who lets the browser run under the root user, seriously?
Aug 08 00:43:51 <lloyd_fedora> how stable is the software in the freerunner
Aug 08 00:43:54 <leinir> ...oh wait, that'd be OpenMoko ;)
Aug 08 00:43:58 <rooly> not, lloyd_fedora 
Aug 08 00:44:10 <leinir> lloyd_fedora: It isn't :)
Aug 08 00:44:20 <rooly> unless your one of us crazy hackers
Aug 08 00:44:29 <leinir> Well, run Qtopia and it's stable (that stack is a few years old now), but the official stack(s) aren't :)
Aug 08 00:44:44 <rooly> as a phone, qtopia's stack is the best
Aug 08 00:44:45 <mmaestri> i guess that having an iphone is like 4 minutes of joy, and then, oh the boredom
Aug 08 00:44:50 <rooly> heheh
Aug 08 00:44:57 <rooly> iphone1 games were in html
Aug 08 00:44:59 <rooly> yuck
Aug 08 00:45:17 <rooly> you had to connect to the internet to play minesweeper
Aug 08 00:45:51 <railer> ok new starting background please: http://knowfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/047017469201l.jpg
Aug 08 00:46:00 <mmaestri> and its bluetooth stack...
Aug 08 00:46:05 <ozzloy> is there a brctl package for the freerunner?
Aug 08 00:46:13 <railer> it's a real book
Aug 08 00:46:18 <mmontour> lloyd_fedora: to steal a phrase from another place, "Imagine a stegosaurus wearing rocket-powered roller skates and you'll get a fair idea of its elegance, stability, and ease of crash recovery"
Aug 08 00:47:09 <trix> railer, i looked it up.. i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
Aug 08 00:47:15 <lloyd_fedora> lol
Aug 08 00:48:22 <rooly> but if your a crazy hacker
Aug 08 00:48:30 <rooly> who wants to be able to steal cia data with your phone
Aug 08 00:48:32 <aggtrfrad> Paris 4 president!
Aug 08 00:48:33 <railer> anyone else catch the redundancy? 
Aug 08 00:48:35 <rooly> or shutdown the power plant
Aug 08 00:48:56 <rooly> i caught it railer 
Aug 08 00:49:19 * rooly goes find his blog ftp's password...
Aug 08 00:56:32 <mmaestri> where is 2008.8???????
Aug 08 00:56:45 * rooly will find it for you
Aug 08 00:57:34 * mmaestri is desperate for having a stable stack to hack
Aug 08 00:57:37 <rooly> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ is about as close as you get
Aug 08 00:58:27 <rwhitby> trouble is that's not ASU - buildhost builds from the wrong branch for ASU
Aug 08 00:58:35 <kgoetz> ASU?
Aug 08 00:58:37 <rwhitby> but you're right, it's the closest online image
Aug 08 00:58:53 * rooly goes attempt to get free food
Aug 08 00:59:57 <kgoetz> ah, asu. *nod*. looked it up
Aug 08 01:01:11 <brian|lfs> I sent the people I bought my phone from an e-mail to see if they will exchange my jopenmoko or not
Aug 08 01:01:32 <brian|lfs> even after leaving it on the wall carger for a few hours it doesn't want to turn on still.
Aug 08 01:03:05 <mmaestri> rwhitby: wrong branch?
Aug 08 01:03:12 <nicfer> hi, I enter here to ask for a channel about small laptops like the eeepc series
Aug 08 01:03:25 <balrog-k1n> brian|lfs: most likely a software problem
Aug 08 01:03:28 <kd8ikt> brian: have a spare nokia battery of the same voltage that fits? they are extremely common
Aug 08 01:03:38 <mmaestri> rwhitby: can you elaborate on this?
Aug 08 01:03:49 <rwhitby> mmaestri: buildhost builds from org.openmoko.dev branch.\
Aug 08 01:03:51 <kd8ikt> 3.7volts right?
Aug 08 01:03:59 <nicfer> I only found the olpc and the eee pc ones but those are device-specific
Aug 08 01:04:01 <rwhitby> asu is being developed on org.openmoko.asu.dev branch
Aug 08 01:04:05 <rwhitby> the two are not synced
Aug 08 01:04:55 <mmaestri> rwhitby: have you tried the right branch?
Aug 08 01:05:56 <lloyd_fedora> planning on buying the freerunner mainly to support the project .. since im not loaded it will be my only phone .. will i get decent battery life n the ability to make receive calls and sms ? thanks for ant input
Aug 08 01:06:21 <kd8ikt> ugh finnally got openvpn to compile
Aug 08 01:06:24 <rwhitby> mmaestri: you should be able to build the correct branch using mokomakefile (change the branch variable), but I have not done so yet.  I've been playing with fso
Aug 08 01:07:59 <spdr> ASU out yet ?
Aug 08 01:08:05 <rwhitby> there are 60 commits difference between org.openmoko.dev and org.openmoko.asu.dev
Aug 08 01:08:15 <mmaestri> rwhitby: i'd like to play with fso too, but i couln't build it from mokomakefile
Aug 08 01:08:19 <spdr> so drunk .. any drunk flashing manual ? :0
Aug 08 01:08:39 * spdr wants ASU
Aug 08 01:08:57 <rwhitby> mmaestri: you have to change the git site to openembedded and also the git branch to openembedded.  fso is not developed under the OM config management system
Aug 08 01:09:00 <xt> kd8ikt: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/openvpn_2.0.9-r1_armv4t.ipk ?
Aug 08 01:09:30 <kd8ikt> oh well i compiled mine myself
Aug 08 01:09:34 <rwhitby> you'll also need to do fso-autorev and moko-autorev in your local.conf
Aug 08 01:10:03 <xt> kd8ikt (:
Aug 08 01:10:25 <mmaestri> rwhitby: right now the makefile is failing on make update
Aug 08 01:10:26 <rooly> yay
Aug 08 01:10:32 <rooly> only 17,000 map files to go!
Aug 08 01:10:58 <rwhitby> mmaestri: it's working here - what's the problem you're seeing?
Aug 08 01:11:26 <mmaestri> it stucks on ( cd openembedded && \ 	  git checkout org.openembedded.dev && \ 	  git fetch && \ 	  git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev ) Already on branch "org.openembedded.dev"  
Aug 08 01:12:14 <mmaestri> and then it fails with a message that cannot remember. i'm reproducing it right now
Aug 08 01:12:51 * rooly is re-rendering a video of the FR running a 3d app
Aug 08 01:13:24 <mmaestri> rwhitby: Already on branch "org.openembedded.dev" git.openembedded.net[0: 80.81.242.146]: errno=Connection timed out fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection timed out) make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 128 
Aug 08 01:13:49 <rwhitby> mmaestri: ah, yes.  *.oe.net is down for some reason, and has been so for at least 12 hours
Aug 08 01:14:26 <mmaestri> rwhitby: so...it will not work, right?
Aug 08 01:15:05 <kgoetz> rooly: cool
Aug 08 01:15:26 <rooly> and i'm uploading now
Aug 08 01:16:13 <balrog-k1n> lloyd_fedora: depends on your definition of decent but many people would say no, not at the moment
Aug 08 01:17:11 <lloyd_fedora> a day on a full charge ... i realize the phone software software is constantly being upgraded .. so whats buggy today could be fixed tomorrow 
Aug 08 01:17:21 <rwhitby> mmaestri: correct, you won't be able to update
Aug 08 01:17:52 <rwhitby> (if git host is pointing to oe.net)
Aug 08 01:18:46 <balrog-k1n> lloyd_fedora: right
Aug 08 01:18:59 <wyze> a day ona full charge... wow, now that's impresive... mine lasts for about 4 hours after a 25 min call and no wifi / gps / etc
Aug 08 01:19:43 <balrog-k1n> mine lasted for 13 hours without suspending at least once
Aug 08 01:20:06 <balrog-k1n> allowing it to suspend should at least double this
Aug 08 01:20:22 <balrog-k1n> ..but i don't really know
Aug 08 01:20:55 <Plasma_GR> 13 hours with just gsmd on?
Aug 08 01:21:00 <lloyd_fedora> wyze: i wasnt stating that i get a day on a full charge .. i was trying to figure the average time on a full charge
Aug 08 01:21:35 <balrog-k1n> Plasma_GR: i don't know what was on, gsmd might not have been running during this test
Aug 08 01:21:54 <lloyd_fedora> any numbers with the wifi on ??
Aug 08 01:22:05 <wyze> what file controls the screen brightness timeout on 2007.2?
Aug 08 01:22:11 <rooly> http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner
Aug 08 01:24:08 <brian|lfs> how is it a software problem the phone don't even turn on
Aug 08 01:24:17 <brian|lfs> balrog-k1n, 
Aug 08 01:25:50 <xhrit> rooly, lol
Aug 08 01:26:03 <xhrit> i want a motion sensitive dasher for my neo.
Aug 08 01:26:06 <xhrit> the osk sucks.
Aug 08 01:26:13 <rooly> hmm?
Aug 08 01:26:19 <xhrit> on screen keyboard.
Aug 08 01:26:27 <xhrit> you remember dasher, right?
Aug 08 01:26:32 <rooly> nope
Aug 08 01:26:37 <rooly> never saw'd it
Aug 08 01:26:43 <rooly> xhrit, check my blog
Aug 08 01:26:45 <xhrit> hook it up to the accelleromoters, and you can type by waving the phone around
Aug 08 01:26:45 <rooly> 2nd post
Aug 08 01:26:50 <rooly> 3d on the FR
Aug 08 01:26:57 <rooly> rooly.g0dsoft.com
Aug 08 01:27:29 <xhrit> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/TryJavaDasherNow.html
Aug 08 01:27:54 <rooly> oh
Aug 08 01:27:55 <rooly> dasher
Aug 08 01:28:01 <rooly> yuck
Aug 08 01:28:13 * cjb used to work on Dasher.
Aug 08 01:29:07 <xhrit> cjb, motion controlled?
Aug 08 01:29:08 <rooly> only 15,000 map files to go
Aug 08 01:29:11 <xhrit> for my neo?
Aug 08 01:30:10 <xhrit> i think i will look into tweaking the osk to make it a bit more useable first...
Aug 08 01:31:08 <SpeedEvil> Try not to abuse the OSM servers too much - they'll melt.
Aug 08 01:31:21 <xhrit> osm?
Aug 08 01:31:56 <cjb> xhrit: yes, we had motion controlled on the iPaq
Aug 08 01:31:59 <cjb> like eight years ago
Aug 08 01:32:36 <cjb> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/djw30/dasher/movies/ipaq.mpg
Aug 08 01:32:50 <cjb> oh, I guess that one's stylus
Aug 08 01:33:00 <cjb> but we put an accelerometer on and did tilt too.
Aug 08 01:37:11 <rooly> so
Aug 08 01:37:16 <rooly> anyone looked at 3d on the FR
Aug 08 01:42:45 <SpeedEvil> The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped.
Aug 08 01:45:20 <balrog-k1n> i still think we failed on the software side more than on the hardware side with the glamo
Aug 08 01:46:55 <phrozen77> rooly, yeah
Aug 08 01:46:57 <rooly> erm
Aug 08 01:46:59 <rooly> no, i mean my video
Aug 08 01:47:06 <phrozen77> i did
Aug 08 01:48:24 <rooly> anyone know how to use the qtopia media player?
Aug 08 01:52:00 <mmaestri> rwhitby: are you there?
Aug 08 01:52:08 <rwhitby> yup
Aug 08 01:52:31 <unknown_lamer> SpeedEvil: I'm pretty sure the glamo can be run faster as andy green *did* mention getting it stabily a bit faster (IIRC 9-10M/s) with some tweaking
Aug 08 01:52:46 <mmaestri> when the openembedded site goes up again, i'll try to build fso-image
Aug 08 01:53:08 <mmaestri> but it still does fail with linux-openmoko package
Aug 08 01:53:21 <rwhitby> that one got fixed last night
Aug 08 01:53:33 <unknown_lamer> SpeedEvil: and then there was some talk about using DMA and some timing to synchronize transfers with the glamo clock so it didn't jam nWait down anymore
Aug 08 01:53:46 <rwhitby> I pushed the fix to monotone.nslu2-linux.org, which sync with monotone.openembedded.org, which then gets mirrored to git.openembedded.net
Aug 08 01:53:52 <unknown_lamer> SpeedEvil: 'tho it seemed kind of ... unrealistic to do that
Aug 08 01:54:00 <unknown_lamer> one can always hope...
Aug 08 01:54:28 <mmaestri> so if i try to build it now, without make update, it should work, right?
Aug 08 01:54:54 <rwhitby> no, oe.net was down before that syncing could happen
Aug 08 01:57:21 <mmaestri> rwhitby: can i change something to make it work?
Aug 08 01:57:33 <rwhitby> ~logs
Aug 08 01:57:34 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Aug 08 01:57:57 <rwhitby> XorA pasted a line in here about 12 or so hours ago with the fix - you could search for that and do it manually.
Aug 08 01:58:03 <rwhitby> it was a line in sane-srcrevs
Aug 08 01:59:18 <abraxa_>  <XorA>  lindi-: edit conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc and change linux-openmoko to c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2
Aug 08 01:59:50 <SirBob1701> so who thinks 2008.8(ASU) will actually come out tom?
Aug 08 02:00:35 <koenigjm> *raises his hand* code freeze probably is tonight...which means bug hunting first :P
Aug 08 02:00:56 <SirBob1701> :)  i gotta get the toolchain up so i can help out with next release
Aug 08 02:07:56 <kd8ikt> its comming out 8-8-08?
Aug 08 02:09:14 <SirBob1701> koenigjm: are there directions on how to help out on asu anywhere on the wiki?
Aug 08 02:11:29 <koenigjm> SirBob: not sure
Aug 08 02:11:53 <koenigjm> SirBob:  I wouldn't know..I have only owned an openmoko for 2 days so far ;)
Aug 08 02:12:13 <SirBob1701> oo
Aug 08 02:12:15 <koenigjm> And does anyone know of an alternate to the openmoko-messages2 app for SMS?
Aug 08 02:12:28 <koenigjm> I need to debug mine, it keeps crashing when I open it
Aug 08 02:12:35 <SirBob1701> they really need to update the wiki on how to contribute
Aug 08 02:13:37 <ieatlint> "they" == you
Aug 08 02:16:02 <alphabeat1> SirBob1701: it's been 080808 here in aus for 12 hours now! 
Aug 08 02:16:10 * alphabeat1 waits patiently
Aug 08 02:17:29 <SirBob1701> lol
Aug 08 02:17:42 <SirBob1701> ieatlint: they would == me if i knew a damn thing about it
Aug 08 02:17:44 <SirBob1701> :D
Aug 08 02:18:12 <ieatlint> ;)
Aug 08 02:18:50 <ieatlint> there are a lot of geeks at linuxworld
Aug 08 02:18:58 <ieatlint> people understood what i was saying... it was weird
Aug 08 02:19:24 <kd8ikt> yeah how was that?
Aug 08 02:19:35 <ieatlint> hugely successful...
Aug 08 02:19:46 <kd8ikt> i've been meaning to go to the local lug meetings
Aug 08 02:19:56 <ieatlint> our booth was like 3 deep, and our neighbours had like 3 people
Aug 08 02:20:18 <ieatlint> plus i walked away with a free phone
Aug 08 02:20:30 <ieatlint> in the no one was looking sense
Aug 08 02:20:41 <qhartman_> Anytime I attempt to flash my FR I get the following from dfu-util: http://pastebin.com/m1b002144
Aug 08 02:20:42 <kd8ikt> what kinda phone'
Aug 08 02:20:43 <qhartman_> Any ideas?
Aug 08 02:21:08 <koenigjm> Here is the error I am seeing with openmoko-message2, any thoughts?
Aug 08 02:21:08 <koenigjm> (openmoko-messages:1679): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 
Aug 08 02:21:19 <ieatlint> freerunner
Aug 08 02:21:26 <ieatlint> i've two freerunners now
Aug 08 02:21:35 <kd8ikt> wtf 
Aug 08 02:21:39 <kd8ikt> someones gonna be pissed
Aug 08 02:21:59 <ieatlint> heh
Aug 08 02:22:04 <ieatlint> i'm kidding, they gave it to me
Aug 08 02:22:15 <kd8ikt> who? why
Aug 08 02:22:45 <kd8ikt> thats cool ..
Aug 08 02:22:45 <kd8ikt> Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=16, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
Aug 08 02:22:45 <kd8ikt> Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Aug 08 02:22:45 <kd8ikt> Setting Alternate Setting ...
Aug 08 02:22:45 <ieatlint> steve
Aug 08 02:22:53 <kd8ikt> whoopz
Aug 08 02:22:56 <ieatlint> because i threatened him
Aug 08 02:24:56 <ieatlint> ended up getting a debug board, spares pack and a phone... all for free
Aug 08 02:25:07 <kd8ikt> awesome
Aug 08 02:25:11 <ieatlint> the threat of bodily harm is a powerful motivator
Aug 08 02:25:48 <ieatlint> it's better when people don't know if i'm joking when i say things like that
Aug 08 02:27:30 <lloyd_fedora> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 is this  sw version out ?
Aug 08 02:27:57 <cjb> well, is it August 8th yet?
Aug 08 02:28:01 <Guilt> is 2008.8 out yet?
Aug 08 02:28:03 <Guilt> the 20080808 is up though
Aug 08 02:28:14 <cjb> that's a different release
Aug 08 02:28:16 <Guilt> but that's not 2008.8
Aug 08 02:28:17 <Guilt> yea
Aug 08 02:28:40 <Guilt> cjb: as per UTC, it is 8th aug
Aug 08 02:29:04 <ieatlint> don't get too excited, 2008.08 kinda sucks in my opinion
Aug 08 02:29:27 <Guilt> why? have u used it?
Aug 08 02:29:28 <kd8ikt> i've been thinking of an inteligent net connector, like it does everything in its power to get networking setup, like try misc simple passwords to local locked AP's or openones , try static routes, adhoc device to device, just to do anything it can to establish a link to anything
Aug 08 02:29:34 <Guilt> when it's not released?
Aug 08 02:29:37 <Guilt> ieatlint: ^^
Aug 08 02:30:11 <ieatlint> yeah
Aug 08 02:30:26 <Guilt> do u develop 2008.8?
Aug 08 02:30:33 <Guilt> if it sucks, it's a major letdown ;)
Aug 08 02:30:54 <ieatlint> no, i don't
Aug 08 02:31:04 <Guilt> and, ASU != 2008.8
Aug 08 02:31:05 <ieatlint> and it is my opinion, not fact :P
Aug 08 02:31:09 <Guilt> at least we hope
Aug 08 02:31:13 <BobOfDoom> kd8ikt: like this? http://xkcd.com/416/
Aug 08 02:31:27 <ieatlint> but yeah, it was being demoed at linuxworld, and i was there for 3 days
Aug 08 02:32:41 <kd8ikt> yea BobOfDoom cause i even get tired of trying passwords and stuff or setting common static routes when people use static ip config
Aug 08 02:33:07 <kd8ikt> and you can override/ or add a new password to the list if your at a friends house
Aug 08 02:33:22 <kd8ikt> other then that it just tries everything
Aug 08 02:35:20 <kd8ikt> a massive overhaul of wifiweasel
Aug 08 02:35:40 <kd8ikt> that uses wpa_supplicant
Aug 08 02:36:31 <qhartman_> Does anyone know what "dfu_download error -62" means?
Aug 08 02:36:43 <kd8ikt> i think i'd need my own agressive dhcp client and dhcpdump to snarf the replies etc
Aug 08 02:37:13 <kd8ikt> been investing a lot of thought into this
Aug 08 02:38:53 <abraxa_> qhartman_: Might wanna make sure your battery isn't empty
Aug 08 02:40:10 <qhartman_> abraxa_: It shouldn't be, it's been sitting on the charger all day. It will charge if it's turned off, won't it?
Aug 08 02:40:38 <abraxa_> qhartman_: Yeah. And I guess your error has a different cause then...
Aug 08 02:41:28 <rooly> qhartman, it won't charge turned off
Aug 08 02:41:36 <rooly> the charging mechanism is implemented in software
Aug 08 02:41:48 <qhartman_> rooly, thx
Aug 08 02:42:37 <abraxa_> rooly: Huh?
Aug 08 02:42:48 <qhartman_> well, after booting the guage in the corner shows about 60% charge, so regardless, it seems that ought to be enough juice for aflash
Aug 08 02:43:52 <SirBob1701> there is an update on planet.openmoko.org
Aug 08 02:43:52 <SirBob1701> lol
Aug 08 02:44:00 <Flinx> Is there someone that manages the e-mail lists availible?
Aug 08 02:44:39 <Flinx> I have a question regarding the "daily" digest.
Aug 08 02:45:08 <kd8ikt> whatdya think ieatlint ?
Aug 08 02:46:12 <Flinx> Is there a way to compress all of the e-mail digest "Issues" into one larger email? 
Aug 08 02:46:34 <ieatlint> interesting idea
Aug 08 02:46:35 <Flinx> because right now I've got like.. 12 digests from Community for today alone...
Aug 08 02:46:55 <Flinx> I thought that daily meant One Digest of all emails within a 24-hour period >.>
Aug 08 02:47:12 <ieatlint> i'd be interested to see how well it would work...
Aug 08 02:47:40 <SirBob1701> well almost here it looks like cause the 20080808 folder is up in buildhost daily
Aug 08 02:47:48 <ieatlint> sorry, i'm pretty tired so i'm not particularly verbose at the moment
Aug 08 02:48:01 <abraxa_> Flinx: If you can't figure out how to change that, it might be a bug. Thus, filing it at http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac might be a good idea.
Aug 08 02:49:44 <Flinx> abraxa_: Thanks :D
Aug 08 02:50:01 <kd8ikt> i need to play with wpa
Aug 08 02:50:06 <kd8ikt> wpa_lint
Aug 08 02:50:30 <ieatlint> you know any c?
Aug 08 02:50:38 <kd8ikt> yea
Aug 08 02:50:41 <raster> i dont know any c'\
Aug 08 02:50:52 <raster> i'm a n00b
Aug 08 02:51:03 <ieatlint> then take a loot at wpa_lint's source... and the wpa_supplicant api web page
Aug 08 02:51:12 <ieatlint> you can undoubtedly cater something more to your needs
Aug 08 02:52:10 <kd8ikt> yea
Aug 08 02:54:32 <cjb> hm, http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/08/releasing-software-to-wild.html
Aug 08 02:54:44 <cjb> > Oh well, QA asked us to not release due the stability issues they see during their heavy testing. 
Aug 08 02:58:54 <ieatlint> oh nice, there's an internal wifi antenna jack
Aug 08 02:59:11 <railer> really?
Aug 08 02:59:31 <kd8ikt> oh yea? like a laptop wifi card?
Aug 08 02:59:32 <railer> an internal jack whats the connector type?
Aug 08 02:59:45 * kd8ikt guesses like the gps
Aug 08 02:59:50 <ieatlint> nope
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