**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 08 02:59:58 2008
Aug 08 03:00:02 <ieatlint> it's an identical connector to the gsm jack
Aug 08 03:00:07 <railer> ok
Aug 08 03:00:13 <railer> need a pigtail
Aug 08 03:00:13 <ieatlint> about 1cm above it, on the wifi module
Aug 08 03:00:17 <ieatlint> yep
Aug 08 03:00:53 <ieatlint> not sure why there isn't a hole in the case for it
Aug 08 03:01:24 <qhartman_> ok, I have some dmesg output from the host machine I'm trying to flash from, if someone would take a peek at it and see if it might provide some direction I'd appreciate it: http://pastebin.com/m78b0ddf2 
Aug 08 03:01:38 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/af/Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG
Aug 08 03:01:59 <kd8ikt> that black centered connector?
Aug 08 03:02:03 <ieatlint> that doesn't show everything
Aug 08 03:02:13 <ieatlint> that black connector is the gsm one
Aug 08 03:02:41 <ieatlint> i suppose i can take a pic of the back as it is completed and upload it there
Aug 08 03:02:51 <linuxxr> that looks lioke coffee on there
Aug 08 03:09:33 <SirBob1701> whens this thing gonna get release? lol
Aug 08 03:09:37 <SirBob1701> i'm tired 
Aug 08 03:13:23 <ieatlint> http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/back.jpg
Aug 08 03:13:38 <ieatlint> excuse the crappy quality
Aug 08 03:13:47 <ieatlint> my camera sucks and the lighting here is also not great
Aug 08 03:14:03 <ieatlint> the bottom right of that pic is where the two connectors are
Aug 08 03:14:20 <ieatlint> the big chunk thingy with the arrow and green block (the internal antenna) is the wifi module
Aug 08 03:14:43 <alphabeat1> it looks liek you own that domain ieatlint. nice!
Aug 08 03:14:54 <ieatlint> yep :)
Aug 08 03:15:28 <ieatlint> in the next day or two i'll be throwing up some random apps there
Aug 08 03:15:38 <alphabeat1> sweet. like what?
Aug 08 03:16:40 <ieatlint> well, i bought a usb y-cable to pull 1A off usb, but in order to use it, you need to force the software to pull 1A
Aug 08 03:16:51 <ieatlint> so i decided to make a gui for it... and ended up making a battery monitor
Aug 08 03:17:13 <linuxxr> very cool
Aug 08 03:17:18 <ieatlint> gives estimated times till the battery is empty, or full if charging... tells you what kind of current it's drawing, and the battery's temp... and has a button to force 1A
Aug 08 03:17:29 <alphabeat1> what's the frontend in?
Aug 08 03:17:43 <kd8ikt> so the thing above/below(cause its the bottom of the phone i think) the green block?
Aug 08 03:17:47 <ieatlint> pygtk... i really need to finish getting my toolchain up so i can do it in C
Aug 08 03:18:13 <linuxxr> why do it in c?
Aug 08 03:18:35 <raster> c is just better :)
Aug 08 03:18:36 <ieatlint> because i like c, it's faster (although, for such a small app, that doesn't matter)
Aug 08 03:18:41 <raster> leaner, smaller, faster.
Aug 08 03:18:44 <raster> and it's sexy
Aug 08 03:18:49 <ieatlint> and because pygtk requires you install pygtk
Aug 08 03:19:03 <ieatlint> (a funny requirement of the library is that it must be present to be used)
Aug 08 03:19:19 <raster> and as such
Aug 08 03:19:28 <raster> embedded devices like phons - though getting more powerul
Aug 08 03:19:37 <raster> are still much slower and more limited than your desktop/laptop
Aug 08 03:19:49 <raster> where if u do somthingin python thats simple u may not really notice
Aug 08 03:20:00 <raster> on a limited device - you'll noice the overhead much more
Aug 08 03:20:12 <ieatlint> and since way too many people at linuxworld would pick up the phone and turn it on it's side and go "oh, it doesn't change its orientation?"
Aug 08 03:20:21 <ieatlint> i am going to throw together an app that does do that
Aug 08 03:20:35 <alphabeat1> you should have just reoriented them horizontally
Aug 08 03:20:39 <ieatlint> and then anything else random that is mildly useful
Aug 08 03:21:20 <alphabeat1> raster: where will the new image be coming out so i can f5 repeatedly?
Aug 08 03:21:42 <raster> dunno
Aug 08 03:22:21 <alphabeat1> damn. ok
Aug 08 03:22:21 <ieatlint> pc magazine already has an article talking about 2008.8 :P
Aug 08 03:23:10 <aggtrfrad> hey, has anyone figured out how to disable the auto-keypad-spawn no minimo?
Aug 08 03:23:58 <ieatlint> use the keyboard applet which allows you to toggle the keyboard
Aug 08 03:24:09 <Guilt> is 2008.8 out yet?
Aug 08 03:24:14 <gargoyle_grin> How do you enable the applet?  I'd be interested in that.
Aug 08 03:24:23 <aggtrfrad> yeah but its time i click a link it pops out
Aug 08 03:24:25 <ieatlint> what image are you using?
Aug 08 03:24:44 <aggtrfrad> its=each
Aug 08 03:25:04 <gargoyle_grin> While I'm technically on 2007.2 at the moment, I'm planning on upgrading just as soon as 2008.8 is out.
Aug 08 03:25:19 <ieatlint> well, 2008.8 is a whole different boat
Aug 08 03:25:40 <ieatlint> and 2007.2 should just but abandoned, as it seems that it's truly not being really supported anymore
Aug 08 03:25:46 <ieatlint> just be
Aug 08 03:26:36 <gargoyle_grin> Heh.  'k then.  I'll pursue it again after the upgrade.
Aug 08 03:27:15 <gargoyle_grin> Do we know *when* on the 8th the new image will be released?
Aug 08 03:28:34 <gargoyle_grin> Apparently that's a "no."
Aug 08 03:28:41 <linuxxr> will there bells an whistles?
Aug 08 03:29:00 <ieatlint> it's ASU
Aug 08 03:29:05 <ieatlint> with a few minor changes
Aug 08 03:29:09 <ieatlint> more games, for instances
Aug 08 03:29:22 <linuxxr> oo god not more games
Aug 08 03:29:27 <ieatlint> i guess the backend is a bit better
Aug 08 03:29:34 <ieatlint> and i think it has some sort of wifi app now
Aug 08 03:29:55 <gargoyle_grin> If I install ASU, will a simple opkg update && opkg upgrade make it equivalent to 2008.8?
Aug 08 03:30:11 <gargoyle_grin> After it's released, that is.
Aug 08 03:30:22 <rwhitby> ASU and 2008.8 are the same thing
Aug 08 03:30:24 <ieatlint> gargoyle_grin, try it and let us know :P
Aug 08 03:30:29 <linuxxr> i want translucent curved edge icons that are attached to working programs
Aug 08 03:30:37 <aseve4tvb4> the qtopia image is leaps and bounds beyond the most recent openmoko-qtopia-x11 image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner
Aug 08 03:30:38 <undrwater> gargoyle_grin: i've updated to the 08 repo
Aug 08 03:30:40 <linuxxr> please
Aug 08 03:31:04 <aseve4tvb4> i hope they were holding back some significant updates for the release tomorrow
Aug 08 03:31:22 <gargoyle_grin> Ah.  The image is already available?
Aug 08 03:31:34 <linuxxr> it looks that way
Aug 08 03:31:43 <linuxxr> but its a daily
Aug 08 03:31:47 <gargoyle_grin> Or are you basically talking about ASU?
Aug 08 03:31:51 <ieatlint> uh, qtopia may appear to be a more complete phone, but its backend is not stable, its power management is perhaps the worst, and its pretty closed
Aug 08 03:32:07 <undrwater> gargoyle_grin: ASU with 08 repo
Aug 08 03:32:20 <aseve4tvb4> i was talking about qtopia is better (http://qtopia.net/modules/devices/) than what i believe to be the daily release of ASU (openmoko-qtopia-x11)
Aug 08 03:33:09 <gargoyle_grin> Ah.  Gotcha.  Thanks.
Aug 08 03:35:04 <linuxxr> i guess i need top get that crap off my phone then
Aug 08 03:35:17 <gargoyle_grin> Hmm.  I've been thinking of dual-booting (booting 2008.08 from the internal flash and qtopia from the micro-SD).
Aug 08 03:35:17 <linuxxr> -p
Aug 08 03:35:28 <gargoyle_grin> Just to see.
Aug 08 03:35:32 <ieatlint> you guys also all heard that android has been confirmed for the freerunner?
Aug 08 03:35:42 <kd8ikt> gargoyle_grin: i triple boot
Aug 08 03:36:00 <linuxxr> we no need no android either
Aug 08 03:36:17 <gargoyle_grin> Hell.  Why not triple boot?
Aug 08 03:36:40 <linuxxr> debian 20080808 slackware?
Aug 08 03:36:46 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 08 03:37:40 <linuxxr> cant consider qtopia or android ,,an 2007 is dead
Aug 08 03:38:44 <linuxxr> the sd card-- is it better to have a new 8g  or 2 4gigs
Aug 08 03:39:28 <threedee> hello :) where can i get a good deal on a new phone
Aug 08 03:40:58 <threedee> <-- in UK btw
Aug 08 03:42:08 <ieatlint> go down to camden market and look for the shady guy selling various phones, no questions asked and they come with a sim but no charger
Aug 08 03:50:42 <linuxxr> unlocked
Aug 08 04:00:22 <MadTBone> so I take it that the official 2008.8 isn't out yet?
Aug 08 04:01:04 <rwhitby> I expect you'll see something on the announce list when it is ...
Aug 08 04:01:59 <MadTBone> of course....just figured I might chime in at the stroke of 08-08-08 (here in NY, anyway)
Aug 08 04:02:07 <dbmoodb> what what ? andriod ?
Aug 08 04:02:41 <dbmoodb> its going to work on the freerunners ? oh
Aug 08 04:08:03 <dbmoodb> anyone got an eta on om2008.8 ? 
Aug 08 04:08:47 <abraxa_> dbmoodb: planet.openmoko.org
Aug 08 04:21:21 <CVirus> How is the suspend/resume with 2008.8 ?
Aug 08 04:21:58 <CVirus> does it contain an GTK stuff ?
Aug 08 04:26:05 <linuxxr> yikes   its aassscccaaarrrryyyy road
Aug 08 04:36:41 <gargoyle_grin> Dang.  It's late, and I must catch some Z's, and no 2008.8 image.  :(
Aug 08 04:37:06 <gargoyle_grin> Oh well.  I shall see you all later.
Aug 08 04:39:04 <undrwater> we...it's not 08/08 yet here
Aug 08 04:39:16 <undrwater> anyone installed finch yet?
Aug 08 04:39:21 <dbmoodb> undrwater: you can do that ?
Aug 08 04:39:27 <dbmoodb> i'm using pidgin ... 
Aug 08 04:39:39 <dbmoodb> undrwater: can't get anything to make :(
Aug 08 04:39:41 <undrwater> dbmoodb: it's in the angstrom feeds
Aug 08 04:39:52 <dbmoodb> angstrom... ah...
Aug 08 04:40:19 <dbmoodb> nice
Aug 08 04:40:31 <dbmoodb> i wish they would add otr and encryption tho
Aug 08 04:40:59 <undrwater> nope...finch is in 2007.2 repo
Aug 08 04:41:12 <undrwater> otr?
Aug 08 04:41:25 <dbmoodb> off the record messaging 
Aug 08 04:42:08 <dbmoodb> the problem with pidgin is that i can't work out how to copy paste from other apps.. sure i could send a file but...
Aug 08 04:42:43 <linuxxr> linkage
Aug 08 04:42:45 <undrwater> i haven't tried copy/paste with any of the apps so far...how is that done?
Aug 08 04:42:51 <linuxxr> we need linkage
Aug 08 04:42:55 <undrwater> for?
Aug 08 04:42:56 <dbmoodb> linkage too ?
Aug 08 04:43:06 <linuxxr> 080808
Aug 08 04:43:12 <dbmoodb> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ -- for otr...
Aug 08 04:43:34 <dbmoodb> linuxxr: its it 080808 UTC yet ?
Aug 08 04:43:37 <dbmoodb> is it*
Aug 08 04:44:15 <linuxxr> nope
Aug 08 04:44:33 <dbmoodb> so don't expect it out yet
Aug 08 04:44:56 <undrwater> dbmoodb: have you done copy/paste with OM?
Aug 08 04:45:17 <dbmoodb> --- can't wik it outt -- can do within apps tho 
Aug 08 04:48:20 <undrwater> otr looks cool...is it a plugin for pidgin?
Aug 08 04:48:27 <dbmoodb> undrwater: thank you now i can gpg talk with people i guess using copy and paste 
Aug 08 04:48:50 <dbmoodb> ah yeah it can be .. there is also one for kopete / other things imy
Aug 08 04:49:27 <dbmoodb> if you on ubuntu / debian lenny go apt-get install pidgin-otr ... on hardy its installed by default ... just go control u in pidgin and tick it (i wish they had done that set on by default ..)
Aug 08 04:49:45 <undrwater> <--gentoo
Aug 08 04:49:50 <CVirus> same
Aug 08 04:50:26 <dbmoodb> emerge pidgin-otr then gain 
Aug 08 04:50:29 <dbmoodb> wait* 
Aug 08 04:50:49 * dbmoodb ducks for cover (lovely screen saver you got there ) just kidding :)
Aug 08 04:51:05 <undrwater> :D
Aug 08 04:51:53 <dbmoodb> have fun emerging :) get back to me when its done -- if you like it 
Aug 08 04:52:00 <easy> Morning.
Aug 08 04:53:46 <undrwater> dbmoodb: emerging now
Aug 08 04:54:01 <dbmoodb> your time starts now :)
Aug 08 04:54:01 <undrwater> how is the encryption handled? password based?
Aug 08 04:54:18 <dbmoodb> ah private ublic key infr..
Aug 08 04:56:19 <undrwater> installed
Aug 08 05:11:44 <nullpuppy> ok.. phone suspended DURING a phone call... ;)
Aug 08 05:11:47 <nullpuppy> that was wierd.
Aug 08 05:12:43 <rtm> That's its way of signalling that the conversation was dull.
Aug 08 05:12:44 <ieatlint> 2008.8 is happy suspend phone... leave it alone for a second, and it goes away
Aug 08 05:14:14 <nullpuppy> rtm: lol
Aug 08 05:14:25 <nullpuppy> ieatlint: hmm, good to know.
Aug 08 05:14:43 <nullpuppy> going to through on the sd card in a few to try it out.
Aug 08 05:15:18 <ieatlint> nullpuppy, if you go to the config page, there are settings about when to dim, and when to go to standby
Aug 08 05:15:28 <nullpuppy> ieatlint: in 2008.8?
Aug 08 05:15:35 <ieatlint> yeah
Aug 08 05:15:38 <nullpuppy> k
Aug 08 05:15:41 <nullpuppy> was using 2007.2
Aug 08 05:15:43 <ieatlint> config is essentially the same as ASU
Aug 08 05:15:47 <ieatlint> oh, hah
Aug 08 05:15:49 <nullpuppy> cool
Aug 08 05:15:49 <ieatlint> :P
Aug 08 05:15:58 <ieatlint> 2007.2 suspends? hehe
Aug 08 05:16:03 <nullpuppy> yeah ;)
Aug 08 05:16:14 <nullpuppy> sound gets fscked up afterwards though
Aug 08 05:16:14 <ieatlint> does it resume? :P
Aug 08 05:16:19 <nullpuppy> gets all quiet
Aug 08 05:16:20 <nullpuppy> yeah
Aug 08 05:16:27 <ieatlint> ooooh
Aug 08 05:16:28 <nullpuppy> erm, mic gets all quiet
Aug 08 05:16:54 <nullpuppy> so, gtk+ and qtopia apps both work in 2008.8 right?
Aug 08 05:17:17 <nullpuppy> if so, then i should be set, though i do kind of prefer parts of the 2007.2 interface
Aug 08 05:17:26 <dbmoodb> so does this talk mean its officially out ?
Aug 08 05:17:51 <nullpuppy> dbmoodb: dunno, i haven't seen anything official yet
Aug 08 05:17:55 <nullpuppy> haven't looked either though
Aug 08 05:18:01 <stephelton> anyone running the 2008.8 release yet?
Aug 08 05:19:08 <kd8ikt> i'm starting to hate irc
Aug 08 05:19:33 <nullpuppy> kd8ikt: why? because of stuff like that?
Aug 08 05:19:37 <kd8ikt> a forum would be nice
Aug 08 05:19:44 <linuxxr> yup
Aug 08 05:19:50 <linuxxr> it would
Aug 08 05:20:06 <linuxxr>  stop alot of needless time loss
Aug 08 05:20:08 <stephelton> erm. sorry
Aug 08 05:20:10 <kd8ikt> we could make a folder in linuxquestions maybe?
Aug 08 05:20:26 <linuxxr> or start your own
Aug 08 05:20:26 <kd8ikt> i havent logged into my account in awhile
Aug 08 05:20:36 <nullpuppy> i have a forum setup that i could add a topic or whatever to
Aug 08 05:20:40 <nullpuppy> forum.nulldomain.com
Aug 08 05:20:45 <linuxxr> thats a reaal good plan though
Aug 08 05:20:55 <kd8ikt> an official unofficial
Aug 08 05:21:05 <linuxxr> get lots of attention too
Aug 08 05:21:27 <ieatlint> or someone could just set the topic, heh
Aug 08 05:21:43 <undrwater> you mean so folks stop asking if 2008.8 is out?
Aug 08 05:21:44 <linuxxr> it would become offical   because of ease of use
Aug 08 05:21:55 <linuxxr> yup
Aug 08 05:22:11 <stephelton> honestly i think the wiki needs cleaning up more than the need for a forum
Aug 08 05:22:12 <ieatlint> there was a very lengthy thread on one of the mailing lists about why they don't have a forum
Aug 08 05:22:19 <linuxxr> an all this blabla about whats what
Aug 08 05:22:35 <dbmoodb> stephelton: i think we need a real mediawiki the searching on the wiki is the fail
Aug 08 05:22:43 <nullpuppy> http://forum.nulldomain.com/index.php?action=collapse;c=4;sa=collapse;#4
Aug 08 05:22:46 <linuxxr> time consumption is the problem
Aug 08 05:22:52 <nullpuppy> i'll look into making better urls later...
Aug 08 05:22:54 <dbmoodb> --- fix the damn searching perhaps with a google search mediawiki plugin
Aug 08 05:23:16 <nullpuppy> open to suggestions on topic names
Aug 08 05:24:12 <dbmoodb> ayayaya i can install things !
Aug 08 05:24:22 <dbmoodb> (grabs nmap for phone)
Aug 08 05:26:08 <dbmoodb> oooo anyone know if swfdec can be a plugin for mimino 
Aug 08 05:26:21 <dbmoodb> minimo*
Aug 08 05:28:36 <kd8ikt> i guess i could use http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html
Aug 08 05:29:26 <kd8ikt> its like a forum
Aug 08 05:29:43 <undrwater> works ok too
Aug 08 05:30:00 <linuxxr> looks good
Aug 08 05:32:13 <linuxxr> seems to not fill my screen
Aug 08 05:32:46 <linuxxr> maybe my settings on this 22
Aug 08 05:35:02 <linuxxr> might need to use linuxQuestions server  if its free
Aug 08 05:35:29 <nullpuppy> I have a forum we can use
Aug 08 05:35:49 <nullpuppy> that would be free
Aug 08 05:36:54 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums
Aug 08 05:38:11 <kd8ikt> that mokomakefile sure is magical
Aug 08 05:38:36 <wyze> question... which file controls the backlight timeout for 2007.2?
Aug 08 05:38:56 <kd8ikt> or brightness for that matter
Aug 08 05:39:01 <wyze> yep
Aug 08 05:39:11 <abraxa_> wyze: Hardcoded in neod
Aug 08 05:39:15 <abraxa_> (for 2007.2, that is)
Aug 08 05:39:20 <wyze> ewww
Aug 08 05:40:02 <abraxa_> Then again, could also be happening in the kernel... not sure right now
Aug 08 05:40:46 <dbmoodb> abraxa_: there isn't a module doing it ?
Aug 08 05:41:35 <abraxa_> dbmoodb: Well, you can't quite put stuff like this in a module :)
Aug 08 05:42:07 <dbmoodb> apm ? acpi ?
Aug 08 05:42:42 <dbmoodb> well hoe do i turn a service off at start up ? 2007.2
Aug 08 05:43:09 <lpotter_> ieatlint: how is qtopia at all closed?
Aug 08 05:43:29 <abraxa_> dbmoodb: What kind of service are you refering to?
Aug 08 05:43:44 <dbmoodb> ah samba
Aug 08 05:43:52 <abraxa_> dbmoodb: It's a regular linux distro so it has runlevels that you can edit
Aug 08 05:44:03 <ieatlint> lpotter, it runs in the framebuffer, so applications have to be written in the qtopia software stack -- but yes, it is open in the OSS sense... i just feel a lot more restricted using it
Aug 08 05:44:25 <dbmoodb> ah
Aug 08 05:46:16 <nullpuppy> ok, time to try booting from sd.
Aug 08 05:46:53 <wyze> booting from sd ftw
Aug 08 05:47:48 <nullpuppy> woot, booting.
Aug 08 05:47:53 <nullpuppy> so far, so good.
Aug 08 05:48:18 <goodwill> anyone build fso distro using mokomakefile?
Aug 08 05:48:29 <goodwill> are things like BBFILES
Aug 08 05:48:39 <goodwill> still need to be added to local.conf for it?
Aug 08 05:48:52 <goodwill> and the fso-autorev.inc ?
Aug 08 05:49:48 <undrwater> wyze: i have no problem booting kernel from SD....but i never seem to be able to init the root
Aug 08 05:50:11 <kd8ikt> VFS panic?
Aug 08 05:50:32 <alphabeat1> undrwater: you followed the instructions i assume? mounting the jffs and transferring the files across?
Aug 08 05:50:49 <undrwater> alphabeat1: yep...
Aug 08 05:50:50 <kd8ikt> what uboot version? what fs is /dev/mmcblk0p2?
Aug 08 05:51:18 <alphabeat1> what does 'fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0' give you?
Aug 08 05:51:21 <nullpuppy> bah, its slooooooow
Aug 08 05:51:39 <undrwater> kd8ikt: i've used ext2 and 3 for rootfs
Aug 08 05:51:45 <undrwater> hang on for u-boot
Aug 08 05:52:08 <nullpuppy> is there much of a speed difference between sd and nand?
Aug 08 05:52:10 <kd8ikt> i just want to know if its default or you upgraded it
Aug 08 05:52:17 <nullpuppy> (for running the os...)
Aug 08 05:52:32 <undrwater> uboot:1.3.2-moko12
Aug 08 05:52:38 <kd8ikt> default
Aug 08 05:52:46 <undrwater> oh yeah?
Aug 08 05:52:55 <undrwater> i thought i had upgraded :O
Aug 08 05:53:06 <alphabeat1> i'd say so nullpuppy. from what i gather nand has good read speeds and everything the sd card does has to run through the glamo which locks the cpu
Aug 08 05:53:44 <undrwater> kd8ikt: so...not possible to boot rootfs from default?
Aug 08 05:54:12 <nullpuppy> alphabeat1: k. thats what i figured. not what i wanted to hear though ;)
Aug 08 05:54:16 * nullpuppy contemplates
Aug 08 05:54:43 <alphabeat1> i run qtopia on sd card and its fine. maybe it loads it into memory...
Aug 08 05:54:58 * nullpuppy nods
Aug 08 05:55:16 <nullpuppy> have 2007.2 in nand, 2008.8 (from 8/7) in sd at the moment.
Aug 08 05:55:46 <wyze> nullpuppy: you're loading there kernel for the sd boot from where?
Aug 08 05:55:52 <alphabeat1> 2008.8 is slow for me as well from nand
Aug 08 05:56:17 <alphabeat1> waiting for official build
Aug 08 05:56:20 <nullpuppy> alphabeat1: doh, alright ;)
Aug 08 05:56:22 <nullpuppy> wyze: from sd
Aug 08 05:56:27 <wyze> ahh... k
Aug 08 05:56:34 <wyze> misread the above
Aug 08 05:56:36 <nullpuppy> followed stuff from Booting From SD on the wiki
Aug 08 05:58:04 <numist> nullpuppy: !
Aug 08 05:58:29 <AntonTakk> so, is the qtopia-x11 image on buildhost for 20080808 the official asu?
Aug 08 05:58:46 <nullpuppy> numist: !
Aug 08 05:58:50 <nullpuppy> wtf are you doing here? ;)
Aug 08 05:59:04 <numist> nullpuppy: probably the same thing you are :P
Aug 08 05:59:07 <nullpuppy> :)
Aug 08 05:59:13 <numist> actually my friend ozzloy got an openmoko and I'm interested now
Aug 08 05:59:14 <nullpuppy> do you have a freerunner?
Aug 08 05:59:17 <El_Senator> AntonTakk: i'm pretty sure everyone misunderstood the whole aug 8th thing. It apparently just means august. correct me if i'm wrong
Aug 08 05:59:19 <nullpuppy> ah, awesome.
Aug 08 05:59:20 <alphabeat1> AntonTakk: from what i gather, no. it builds off a different branch or something. have to wait until an offical announcement id say
Aug 08 05:59:37 <AntonTakk> hrm
Aug 08 05:59:47 <nullpuppy> El_Senator: i've seen the 8th listed as official release
Aug 08 05:59:56 <El_Senator> nullpuppy: where?
Aug 08 05:59:58 <nullpuppy> i wouldn't put that to mean at midnight gmt though
Aug 08 06:00:00 <ozzloy> hi numist !
Aug 08 06:00:03 <nullpuppy> somewhere on the wiki i think
Aug 08 06:00:04 * nullpuppy looks
Aug 08 06:00:05 <numist> hi ozzloy :D
Aug 08 06:00:07 <alphabeat1> El_Senator: http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/08/releasing-software-to-wild.html
Aug 08 06:00:25 <El_Senator> alphabeat1: cool
Aug 08 06:00:35 <El_Senator> well, i was just pondering about the irc topic
Aug 08 06:01:07 <nullpuppy> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_2008.8_.28ASU.2C_April.2FAugust_Software_Update.29
Aug 08 06:01:14 <nullpuppy> ASU is the internal name and it will be known as Om 2008.8 upon its scheduled release on August 8, 2008.
Aug 08 06:01:45 <El_Senator> ah, of course
Aug 08 06:02:03 <El_Senator> i misunderstodd then... good thing :D
Aug 08 06:02:09 <nullpuppy> :)
Aug 08 06:03:24 <beni_> morning
Aug 08 06:03:29 <goodwill> does anyone know if for fso I need to set DISTRO to openmoko or to angstrom?
Aug 08 06:03:39 <alphabeat1> El_Senator you had me worried ;)
Aug 08 06:03:46 <nullpuppy> ieatlint: have you been using the 2008.8 images?
Aug 08 06:03:53 <nullpuppy> hows battery life with it?
Aug 08 06:04:35 <El_Senator> alphabeat1: heh, sorry 'bout that :D
Aug 08 06:05:37 <goodwill> mickey|sofa: pardon me, but could you let me know if fso need to be build against openmoko or angstrom?
Aug 08 06:05:45 <beni_> 2008.8 out already?
Aug 08 06:05:50 <beni_> its the 8th :D
Aug 08 06:07:34 <ieatlint> nullpuppy, not extensively, and not with a sim card in the phone
Aug 08 06:08:34 <nullpuppy> ieatlint: alright
Aug 08 06:08:43 * kd8ikt bludgeons  beni_ 
Aug 08 06:08:45 <nullpuppy> guess i'll find out tomorrow then ;)
Aug 08 06:09:47 <beni_> kd8ikt: asu asu asu (in allusion to monthy python)
Aug 08 06:14:28 <undrwater> ni ni ni?
Aug 08 06:18:39 <AntonTakk> well, got uboot ans kernel flashed, rootfs in progress
Aug 08 06:20:01 <undrwater> what's the diff between the v2 v4 v5 etc...uboot?
Aug 08 06:20:26 <AntonTakk> board revision of the device
Aug 08 06:20:35 <AntonTakk> you have a freerunner?
Aug 08 06:21:03 <ieatlint> if you don't know what revision you have, then you have v5 :P
Aug 08 06:21:42 <kd8ikt> libgsm-tool -m shell 
Aug 08 06:21:45 <undrwater> i have FR, yes
Aug 08 06:21:52 <kd8ikt> rv   gives you the hw revision
Aug 08 06:22:52 <doc|home>  ljp howdy, is there any kind of logging in qtopia? My freerunner locked today on an incoming call and wondering if there's anything I can send to help you debug.
Aug 08 06:23:32 <AntonTakk> doc|home: generally, pizza and mt dew help most with development  ;)
Aug 08 06:24:56 <kd8ikt> :D
Aug 08 06:26:33 <lpotter> doc|home: yes, there is a logging application, but you have to turn on certain categories first
Aug 08 06:27:18 <doc|home> lpotter: hmmm, well that's no good then
Aug 08 06:27:19 <doc|home> AntonTakk: haha
Aug 08 06:27:42 <ecraven> morning ;)
Aug 08 06:28:23 <doc|home> lpotter: fwiw I don't know what state it was in but the phone was ringing and the screen was lit white but nothing was being displayed and I had to do a x-second power off
Aug 08 06:28:34 <doc|home> it's possibly a resume from suspend thing
Aug 08 06:29:58 <doc|home> nice work on the power usage though, have had my phone on all day, although barely using it at all and it's just one block empty from a full charge this morning
Aug 08 06:30:41 <doc|home> having an odd issue where a missed call + voicemail message and when I click on the message icon nothing happens
Aug 08 06:32:15 <nullpuppy> ok, how do you get maps in diversity?
Aug 08 06:33:00 <undrwater> install them
Aug 08 06:33:13 <nullpuppy> k. how?
Aug 08 06:33:31 <undrwater> opkg list | grep map....there are a few...not many
Aug 08 06:33:48 <undrwater> new york, san fran, taipei
Aug 08 06:39:38 <methril> morning
Aug 08 06:39:57 <Esvandiary> oh... morning
Aug 08 06:40:01 <Esvandiary> so that's why it's less dark now
Aug 08 06:40:26 <undrwater> hmmm...almost morning here
Aug 08 06:40:50 <Esvandiary> where are you?
Aug 08 06:40:56 <undrwater> los angeles area
Aug 08 06:41:28 <Esvandiary> oh... you mean morning as in after midnight... i mean morning as in "it's not dark any more" :)
Aug 08 06:41:30 <beni_> here it is almost time for my morning break
Aug 08 06:41:33 <Esvandiary> bristol, uk here
Aug 08 06:41:38 <beni_> (mug of coffee)
Aug 08 06:41:41 <beni_> germany
Aug 08 06:41:41 <undrwater> cheers
Aug 08 06:41:48 <beni_> 8:43 local time
Aug 08 06:41:56 <Esvandiary> yeah, 7:43 here
Aug 08 06:42:20 <undrwater> 23:43
Aug 08 06:43:29 <undrwater> beni_: do you make your coffee...or do you get it from a shop?
Aug 08 06:45:03 <beni_> we have a machine here at work
Aug 08 06:45:18 <undrwater> got it
Aug 08 06:45:34 <undrwater> i'm a bit of a snob...always curious how ppl make their coffee
Aug 08 06:46:19 <methril> spain
Aug 08 06:48:53 <beni_> undrwater: there are sometimes worlds between good and not-so-good coffee
Aug 08 06:49:13 <beni_> the coffee here is drinkable, nearly enjoyable. it is ok. but nothing outstanding.
Aug 08 06:49:36 <ecraven> charlie137: hey ;) how goes tichy?
Aug 08 06:49:39 <methril> then go to colombia, or brazil :)
Aug 08 06:49:54 <methril> there they have better coffee :)
Aug 08 06:50:56 <BlackFog> hi
Aug 08 06:51:08 <railer> hi
Aug 08 06:52:31 <undrwater> methril: not available for locals...only export
Aug 08 06:54:06 <ecraven> does anyone have any idea why xrandr -o 1 changes the default *font* size?
Aug 08 07:06:02 <beni_> with the current om-qtopia images, is usb networking down? i cant contact 192.168.0.202
Aug 08 07:07:23 <Bubbi> s
Aug 08 07:08:22 <kd8ikt> beni:(on phone) ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202
Aug 08 07:08:47 <kd8ikt> or ifup usb0 
Aug 08 07:09:59 <beni_> where can i open a terminal?
Aug 08 07:10:22 <beni_> i can play sudoku, but i dont have access to a terminal
Aug 08 07:10:23 <beni_> :(
Aug 08 07:10:25 <Hopscotch> good morning
Aug 08 07:11:00 <easy> beni_, same here.
Aug 08 07:11:41 <beni_> ok, what can we do?
Aug 08 07:12:23 <easy> dunno, just switched back to the original image.
Aug 08 07:13:37 <easy> atm I'm building an om-qtopia image from the scratch using mokomakefile.
Aug 08 07:18:48 <goodwill> ooh, dowloads.openmoko.org got rearranged
Aug 08 07:25:10 <GirlRiver> is 2008.8 available for download yet ? 
Aug 08 07:25:38 <lindi-> i think the question is, can you compile it? ;)
Aug 08 07:25:55 <undrwater> GirlRiver: yes
Aug 08 07:26:08 <lpotter> beni_: need to reboot once to get usbnet working apparently
Aug 08 07:26:36 <undrwater> lpotter: is there a way to get week view in qtopia calendar?
Aug 08 07:28:30 <GirlRiver> so I download 2008.8 from here ? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/
Aug 08 07:28:30 <mbuf> how can I change the qtopia ring-tone?
Aug 08 07:29:02 <undrwater> GirlRiver: that's where i got it
Aug 08 07:30:44 <trickie|work> i believe thats not 2008.8
Aug 08 07:30:48 <trickie|work> its just the build date
Aug 08 07:31:02 <trickie|work> and buildhost is not/was not building the ASU branch 
Aug 08 07:31:21 <trickie|work> they may have fixed that though, but check the lists
Aug 08 07:31:26 <trickie|work> mentioned several times
Aug 08 07:31:44 <undrwater> trickie|work: hrmph...
Aug 08 07:32:15 <|FiLiP|> GirlRiver, check the channel topic
Aug 08 07:32:49 <|FiLiP|> 200808 means August not 2008.8
Aug 08 07:33:57 <undrwater> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/
Aug 08 07:34:19 <undrwater> so...not ready yet
Aug 08 07:35:01 <beni_> we all wait patiently
Aug 08 07:35:09 <beni_> is it there now?
Aug 08 07:35:11 <beni_> now?
Aug 08 07:35:13 <beni_> and now?
Aug 08 07:35:16 <beni_> ;)
Aug 08 07:35:21 <undrwater> ni ni ni
Aug 08 07:35:28 <GirlRiver> |FiLiP|, thanks for the clarification 
Aug 08 07:35:35 <undrwater> yes...thanks
Aug 08 07:36:32 <Bish> 2008.8 , still not out?
Aug 08 07:36:52 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r37d7e3a46f99 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add illume-config theme to ASU-feed
Aug 08 07:37:23 <undrwater> maybe lurk on #openmoko-cdevel?
Aug 08 07:38:19 <Bish> how about a cup of stfu?
Aug 08 07:39:12 <trickie|work> Bish: chirpy in the morning aye?
Aug 08 07:40:19 <Bish> hm no :D
Aug 08 08:08:13 <easy> root      1414  0.5  0.6   2856   836 pts/0    Ss   10:07   0:00 -sh
Aug 08 08:08:13 <easy> root      1429  0.1  0.4   2568   520 ?        S    10:07   0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe <- wtf is this?
Aug 08 08:09:45 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0db41b7ed296 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67
Aug 08 08:10:12 <kd8ikt> qtopia pe
Aug 08 08:11:01 <kd8ikt> http://qpe.sourceforge.net/
Aug 08 08:12:25 <kd8ikt> now your penance is to type "i will consult google before i ask in irc" 1000 times
Aug 08 08:13:20 <kd8ikt> sorry if i sound like an ass but somethings have to be said
Aug 08 08:14:05 <Bish> :D 
Aug 08 08:17:00 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5d2f7fb0cb10 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add illume-config theme to ASU-feed
Aug 08 08:17:01 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re36a542350c9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67
Aug 08 08:18:10 <dbmoodb> IS IT OUT ?
Aug 08 08:18:23 <zash> ARE YOU OUT ?
Aug 08 08:18:28 <dbmoodb> YES
Aug 08 08:18:56 <zash> 08-08-08 08:08:08 UTC was 10 minutes ago :(
Aug 08 08:19:10 <kd8ikt> i do love the description of it on the wiki
Aug 08 08:19:18 <kd8ikt> i will def flash it first thing
Aug 08 08:19:37 <kd8ikt> even though i dont care much for qt
Aug 08 08:20:40 <Bish> kd8ikt: are you talkin about 2008.8
Aug 08 08:21:00 <kd8ikt> isnt that what everyone has been talking about for the past 24hrs
Aug 08 08:21:55 <zash> 8 != 08
Aug 08 08:22:12 <Bish> dont nau :P
Aug 08 08:22:18 <zash> le topic
Aug 08 08:22:35 <zash> hm
Aug 08 08:22:37 <zash> nm
Aug 08 08:23:21 <Bish> so, it wont come out, today?
Aug 08 08:23:59 <Bish> openmoko: julian_chu org.openmoko.asu.stable
Aug 08 08:24:10 <Bish> .asu.stable .oO?
Aug 08 08:31:20 <Moo--> gmane is missing some openmoko mailing lists. is this intentional?
Aug 08 08:35:42 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r4081b998e13b 10/html/ (4 files): Added html files
Aug 08 08:37:26 <dbmoodb> ~moo
Aug 08 08:37:27 * apt mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Aug 08 08:37:39 <dbmoodb> sorry couldn't resist
Aug 08 08:37:53 <Moo--> >__>
Aug 08 08:38:24 <dbmoodb> i think its ironic that we have a debian bot for the openmoko channel 
Aug 08 08:38:41 <zash> but, debian runs on neos
Aug 08 08:38:45 <Moo--> I see my nick has strange effects on anglo-american people
Aug 08 08:38:50 <dbmoodb> zash: dah i'm running debian on mine
Aug 08 08:40:49 <zash> hm, smallest possible debian install with only what is needed for irssi and xterm
Aug 08 08:41:03 <dbmoodb> zash: ?
Aug 08 08:41:03 <zash> and some input
Aug 08 08:41:17 <dbmoodb> well i want to get some xorg apps working out side of it 
Aug 08 08:41:41 <dbmoodb> like... ekiga or something else ... so i have sound in debian and the application prebuild.. wasn't very happy last time i tried it 
Aug 08 08:42:54 <zash> voice-to-text | gsm | speech-synt
Aug 08 08:42:59 <zash> would be somewhat cool
Aug 08 08:43:02 <dbmoodb> oh ?
Aug 08 08:43:33 <kd8ikt> hey howbout a program that lets you record a 5-10sec audio file and upload it and it gets streamed back to your/everyone elses phone
Aug 08 08:43:33 <zash> over ssh/ssl
Aug 08 08:43:45 <zash> kd8ikt: or, irc over ssl
Aug 08 08:43:53 <kd8ikt> like a big slow party line
Aug 08 08:43:56 <dbmoodb> kd8ikt: i like
Aug 08 08:44:09 <dbmoodb> arcored then mail it 
Aug 08 08:44:15 <dbmoodb> arecord*
Aug 08 08:44:25 <kd8ikt> so you dont need anyones number to "ragchew
Aug 08 08:44:43 <kd8ikt> kinda like a voip walkie talkie
Aug 08 08:44:48 <kd8ikt> eh?
Aug 08 08:44:49 <dbmoodb> kd8ikt: yah.
Aug 08 08:45:03 * dbmoodb GRUMBLES WHERE IS MY VOIP CLIENT
Aug 08 08:45:13 <kd8ikt> dunno have you been working on it
Aug 08 08:45:15 * dbmoodb more grumlbing (linphone doesn't build / minisip / etc.)
Aug 08 08:45:16 <lindi-> you could broadcast audio over wlan
Aug 08 08:45:24 <dbmoodb> lindi-: pulseaudio ftw ?
Aug 08 08:45:26 <lindi-> so anybody who is within range can talk to you
Aug 08 08:45:41 <lindi-> dbmoodb: pulseaudio eats 5% constantly, it's not my friend :(
Aug 08 08:45:46 <dbmoodb> lindi-: yah i know
Aug 08 08:46:08 <dbmoodb> oh why has my sdcard died?
Aug 08 08:46:10 <Zorkman> llo all
Aug 08 08:46:11 <Moo--> lindi-: does VLC compile for ARM?
Aug 08 08:46:13 <Zorkman> any news?
Aug 08 08:46:13 <lindi-> dbmoodb: debian has linphone for arm
Aug 08 08:46:20 <zash> lindi-: pulseaudio plays music on my other computer connected to some big speakers, and is my friend :D
Aug 08 08:46:25 <lindi-> Moo--: debian has vlc for arm
Aug 08 08:46:27 <dbmoodb> lindi-: yah but my audio within the debian chroot is now dead for uknown reasons
Aug 08 08:46:35 <Moo--> lindi-: VLC can do i
Aug 08 08:46:38 <dbmoodb> lindi-: if you have a goods debian post it ?
Aug 08 08:46:44 <lindi-> dbmoodb: my mplayer works just fine from my debian chroot
Aug 08 08:46:55 <dbmoodb> lindi-: mine ... did -- care to post your kernel / modules ?
Aug 08 08:47:02 <kd8ikt> yeah stick to mplayer dont mess with vlc
Aug 08 08:47:04 <lindi-> dbmoodb: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt but i have added it to wiki too
Aug 08 08:47:19 <dbmoodb> your modules ?
Aug 08 08:47:30 <Moo--> has someone tried to run ubuntu mobile already? :)
Aug 08 08:47:31 <lindi-> dbmoodb: no, i use normal 2007.2
Aug 08 08:47:36 <lindi-> dbmoodb: with debian chroot
Aug 08 08:47:51 <dbmoodb> yah dude that's not working for me atm
Aug 08 08:48:07 <lindi-> how does it fail?
Aug 08 08:48:13 <Moo--> what was the problem with constantly lit led light?
Aug 08 08:48:22 <Moo--> I have it :(
Aug 08 08:48:23 <lindi-> dbmoodb: strace speaker-test inside and outside chroot
Aug 08 08:49:31 <kd8ikt> actually now my led only goes on when connected to usb
Aug 08 08:49:48 <Moo--> kd8ikt: but mine doesn't go off when disconnected
Aug 08 08:49:58 <kd8ikt> ah
Aug 08 08:50:04 <Moo--> kd8ikt: I think it was some bug related to uboot, but I can't find it anymore
Aug 08 08:50:41 <kd8ikt> ieatlint has a neat lil pygtk script to toggle leds http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py
Aug 08 08:51:14 <dbmoodb> lindi-: the moko no longer is accepting my sd card
Aug 08 08:52:18 <kd8ikt> reboot maybe?
Aug 08 08:52:30 <Moo--> lindi-: when you run debian can you access hardware (GSM) normally?
Aug 08 08:52:44 <lindi-> Moo--: it's in chroot, of course
Aug 08 08:52:50 <Moo--> aa
Aug 08 08:53:06 <lindi-> totally non-intrusive
Aug 08 08:53:08 * Moo-- was thinking debian based root image :/
Aug 08 08:53:25 <lindi-> better make it work with chroot first
Aug 08 08:53:27 <Moo--> so you have all the goodies of debian binaries
Aug 08 08:54:47 <Moo--> lindi-: how about this? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
Aug 08 08:55:03 <dbmoodb> Moo--: don't even think about ubuntu
Aug 08 08:55:17 <Moo--> dbmoodb: why?
Aug 08 08:55:18 <dbmoodb> lenny is going stable soon that .... 
Aug 08 08:55:20 <dbmoodb> is not
Aug 08 08:55:26 <Bish> is there a qtopia mediaplayer?
Aug 08 08:56:03 <Moo--> dbmoodb: I think that with OpenMoko you really aren't a guy going after stable distribution....
Aug 08 08:56:37 <dbmoodb> that's nice to say but i think i will go crazy unless things go stable real soon
Aug 08 08:56:59 <dbmoodb> no no luck with my sdcard -- was there a uboot update ?
Aug 08 08:57:08 <dbmoodb>  // kernel
Aug 08 09:00:59 <Moo--> dbmoodb: and reason to go after ubuntu MID is software tailored for handheld screens. Please see the screenshots on the page.
Aug 08 09:01:02 <dbmoodb> ok this is bs... i have a dud sdcard it looks like...
Aug 08 09:01:07 <dbmoodb> Moo--: sure sure --
Aug 08 09:01:10 <Bish> its still the same uh
Aug 08 09:01:13 <Bish> 192.168.0.202 ? 
Aug 08 09:01:17 <Bish> no passwort?
Aug 08 09:01:26 <dbmoodb> but e / xfce are really light
Aug 08 09:01:53 <dbmoodb> it says 256mb+ memory / 512mb + recommended do we have that no 
Aug 08 09:02:33 <Ainulindale> Moo--: that's not true
Aug 08 09:02:39 <Ainulindale> SHR is heading towards stable distribution
Aug 08 09:02:49 <Ainulindale> Even if it's pretty much just a name right now
Aug 08 09:02:57 <Ainulindale> (And loads and loads of code)
Aug 08 09:03:16 <mbuf> Bish, yes
Aug 08 09:03:55 <Bish> mbuf: 
Aug 08 09:06:42 <Moo--> Ainulindale: I guess everyone is heading towards stable distribution. That's the point of a distribution, right? :)
Aug 08 09:07:01 <Ainulindale> Moo--: Of course :-)
Aug 08 09:07:07 <Moo--> so why SHR would be special?
Aug 08 09:07:23 <Ainulindale> Because it'll be community driven
Aug 08 09:07:40 <Ainulindale> And not based on interest or anything for a company
Aug 08 09:07:44 <dbmoodb> Ainulindale: debian based :) ???
Aug 08 09:07:54 <Ainulindale> Right now in fact what we (shr) want is to port stable applications to frameworkd (FSO)
Aug 08 09:08:01 <Ainulindale> dbmoodb: I said stable, I didn't say slow
Aug 08 09:08:19 * kd8ikt figured as much Ainulindale 
Aug 08 09:09:11 <dbmoodb> oiu watch my debian is lightening fast compared with 2007.2
Aug 08 09:09:14 <Voyd> any idea when shr will be making a release?
Aug 08 09:09:21 * kd8ikt likes the dbus api idea of FSO everything has access to everything
Aug 08 09:09:45 <dbmoodb> apparently my sdcard is now empty 
Aug 08 09:09:47 <dbmoodb> BS
Aug 08 09:10:09 <kd8ikt> ew that sux
Aug 08 09:10:24 <Ainulindale> Voyd: pretty much yes
Aug 08 09:10:36 <Ainulindale> I intend to release a beta version of libframeworkd-glib
Aug 08 09:10:46 <Ainulindale> For anyone willing to use it
Aug 08 09:10:55 <Ainulindale> right now messages2 is mostly finished
Aug 08 09:11:05 <Ainulindale> and we're still slow on dialer2
Aug 08 09:16:12 <mmontour> qtop
Aug 08 09:16:28 <mmontour> (wrong window)
Aug 08 09:18:01 <beni_> what is the gps daemon used in FSO? cant remember....
Aug 08 09:19:18 <trickie|work> gypsy?
Aug 08 09:25:29 <Bish> whats the root pw of the current qtopia image
Aug 08 09:25:51 <Bish> blank does not work
Aug 08 09:26:33 <zash> what does mokomakefile "make qemu" pull?
Aug 08 09:28:30 <Bish> hey guys .. i cant do anything without the root password xD
Aug 08 09:28:44 <kd8ikt> Bish: are yo sshing in as root?
Aug 08 09:28:58 <kd8ikt> root@openmoko or ssh openmoko -l root
Aug 08 09:29:18 <Bish> yes sure
Aug 08 09:29:24 <Bish> basemachine ~ # ssh -l root 192.168.0.202
Aug 08 09:29:30 <kd8ikt> and still cant login?
Aug 08 09:29:33 <Bish> i can
Aug 08 09:29:36 <kd8ikt> did you maybe change it?
Aug 08 09:29:39 <Bish> no
Aug 08 09:29:42 <Bish> i simply flashed it
Aug 08 09:29:45 <Bish> the image.
Aug 08 09:30:00 <kd8ikt> have you ever upgraded your uboot?
Aug 08 09:30:01 <Bish> the newest qtopia image..
Aug 08 09:30:03 <Bish> no
Aug 08 09:30:09 <kd8ikt> bingo issue found
Aug 08 09:30:19 <Bish> so the old one is buggy?
Aug 08 09:30:40 <kd8ikt> yeah that "factory" uboot doesnt fully erase the partition before flashing
Aug 08 09:30:48 <Bish> ah i c
Aug 08 09:31:05 <kd8ikt> so you need to get into uboot console and issue nand erase rootfs then flsh
Aug 08 09:31:06 <Bish> would u help me to do it.. because otherweise i will brick it
Aug 08 09:31:15 <Bish> .. ah i c.
Aug 08 09:31:18 <kd8ikt> have you ever set a passwd?
Aug 08 09:31:22 <Bish> no
Aug 08 09:31:23 <kd8ikt> try it it might work
Aug 08 09:31:24 <beni_> kd8ikt: are we supposed to flash rootfs while beeing in NAND?
Aug 08 09:31:28 <kd8ikt> no
Aug 08 09:31:46 <beni_> but if i update uboot, i only update it in NAND, dont i?
Aug 08 09:31:57 <beni_> so my NOR uboot i use to flash everything still is buggy
Aug 08 09:31:58 <kd8ikt> just grab a daily gta02v5
Aug 08 09:32:22 <Bish> kd8ikt: is updating uboot simple?
Aug 08 09:32:23 <kd8ikt> uboot image NAND or NOR dont matter they both get loaded into ram when booted and you can flash the nand
Aug 08 09:33:10 <beni_> kd8ikt: but if you say, factory (ie NOR) uboot doesnt erase, it would be better to flash rootfs from NAND uboot, is that not correct?
Aug 08 09:33:21 <Bish> kd8ikt: would u recommend updating uboot?
Aug 08 09:33:23 <kd8ikt> dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin
Aug 08 09:33:41 <Bish> kd8ikt: its fuking that easy?
Aug 08 09:33:48 <beni_> Bish: yes
Aug 08 09:33:51 <kd8ikt> flash the uboot then reboot and flash the rootfs
Aug 08 09:33:53 <Bish> kd8ikt: so but my menu entries are gone then, right?
Aug 08 09:34:03 <kd8ikt> and it should be gravy after that
Aug 08 09:34:38 <kd8ikt> i have a latest uboot(nand, since i dont have a dboard to flash nor)  last tiume i flashed it 
Aug 08 09:34:56 <kd8ikt> no i think menu entries stay
Aug 08 09:35:14 <xt> is it out yet?
Aug 08 09:35:18 <kd8ikt> i could be mistaken though i havent flashed since i changed mine
Aug 08 09:35:29 <Bish> .. i have a gta02v5 , right :P?
Aug 08 09:35:30 * kd8ikt bludgeons xt 
Aug 08 09:35:37 <Bish> i just dont want to do something wrong
Aug 08 09:35:53 <kd8ikt> if you can get into a shell and type  libgsm-tool -m shell then rv
Aug 08 09:36:10 <kd8ikt> it will tell you the revision but most "mainstream" freerunners are v5
Aug 08 09:36:13 <kd8ikt> like mine
Aug 08 09:36:34 <kd8ikt> if you flash a wrong one just boot into NOR and try a diff uboot
Aug 08 09:36:36 <Bish> i dont have a shell at the moment :D
Aug 08 09:36:40 <kd8ikt> (its unbrickable)
Aug 08 09:36:42 <Bish> ah okay
Aug 08 09:36:51 <Bish> nor is only writeable with the dboard? right?
Aug 08 09:37:00 <kd8ikt> but i still think you can fuck up uboot-env
Aug 08 09:37:05 <kd8ikt> i dunno
Aug 08 09:37:13 <kd8ikt> yes bish so nbo worries
Aug 08 09:37:26 <Bish> even if i fucup uboot-env its repairable :P right?
Aug 08 09:38:11 <kd8ikt> i dunno
Aug 08 09:38:15 <zash> Bish: you cant fuck up beyond repair afaik
Aug 08 09:38:22 <zash> unless you have a dboacrd
Aug 08 09:38:24 <zash> dboard*
Aug 08 09:38:28 <kd8ikt> hey anyone use ipv6?
Aug 08 09:38:29 <zash> but then you can fix it anyways
Aug 08 09:38:43 <Bish> yes uboot works.
Aug 08 09:38:48 <kd8ikt> ping6 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:eff:fe11:35d1  <-- i just setup another computer ;)
Aug 08 09:39:07 <kd8ikt> and yes thats via wifi acx11 
Aug 08 09:39:14 <kd8ikt> w00t
Aug 08 09:39:39 <kd8ikt> dood my life is linux wakeup to sleep i eat drink and dream linux
Aug 08 09:39:51 <Bish> kd8ikt: hehe, the neo simply doesnt start _> black screen
Aug 08 09:39:55 <kd8ikt> ---^ thats a lil ubuntu server
Aug 08 09:40:06 <NSLU2-IRC> om2008.8 is out?
Aug 08 09:40:08 <kd8ikt> what'd you do?
Aug 08 09:40:15 <Bish> NineX: no its not..
Aug 08 09:40:16 <Bish> read wiki
Aug 08 09:41:11 <kd8ikt> hold PWR then hold AUX both together and (NAND) uboot should come up  (vice versa for NOR)
Aug 08 09:41:23 <kd8ikt> AUX then PWR
Aug 08 09:41:49 <kd8ikt> so nomatter what AUX then PWR should turn on the device, pending you dont have battery FAIL
Aug 08 09:42:22 <Bish> yeah it was buggy or something
Aug 08 09:42:25 <Bish> removed battery.
Aug 08 09:42:30 <Bish> and tried again, now it works
Aug 08 09:42:33 <kd8ikt> sleeping probably
Aug 08 09:43:10 <Bish> i like that
Aug 08 09:43:19 <zogs> Download Om 2008.8
Aug 08 09:43:19 <kd8ikt> so go forth and multiply i want to tend to my latest machine, ask the wiki not me -away
Aug 08 09:43:28 <zogs> you know if today?
Aug 08 09:43:44 <Bish> zogs: learn how to enlish :P
Aug 08 09:43:53 <Bish> zogs: 2008.8 means.. THE 8th month of 2008
Aug 08 09:43:59 <Bish> not the 8th of the 8
Aug 08 09:44:27 <si-m1> wiki says 08. aug !
Aug 08 09:44:32 <si-m1> and wikis never lie!
Aug 08 09:44:41 <Bish> topic does not lie , too
Aug 08 09:45:03 <confidential1> yeh, it's getting released sometime today according to the wiki...
Aug 08 09:45:20 <Bish> damnit :P
Aug 08 09:45:25 <Bish> Download Om 2008.8
Aug 08 09:45:26 <Bish> * Coming soon... 
Aug 08 09:45:42 <Bish> soon == today :D?
Aug 08 09:45:50 <confidential1> "It will be launched on August 08, 2008"
Aug 08 09:46:07 <Bish> but in australia its already tomorrow :(?
Aug 08 09:46:07 <confidential1> says so in the Introduction: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
Aug 08 09:46:50 <sevenhundred> hello
Aug 08 09:46:59 <confidential1> yeh, its halfway through the day here in Norway too...
Aug 08 09:47:03 <Bish> kd8ikt: can i get a better splash somwhere :D?
Aug 08 09:47:45 <kd8ikt> bish youre lucky i looked back at this window 
Aug 08 09:47:45 <sevenhundred> does anyone know how om2008.8 is coming along?
Aug 08 09:47:46 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker
Aug 08 09:48:35 <Bish> man im lucky
Aug 08 09:48:49 <Bish> kd8ikt: now i mean the splash thing which is in the nand
Aug 08 09:48:59 <kd8ikt> eh dont mess with it
Aug 08 09:49:17 <Bish> kd8ikt: why? :D
Aug 08 09:49:53 <kd8ikt> i'm busy, i dont know how , go investimigate
Aug 08 09:50:05 <Bish> huch.. this guy is from my city
Aug 08 09:50:12 <Bish> kd8ikt: okay.good luck, thanks
Aug 08 09:50:21 <kd8ikt> where you live?
Aug 08 09:50:25 <Bish> paderborn, germany
Aug 08 09:50:28 <kd8ikt> oh
Aug 08 09:50:36 <kd8ikt> know any "Lutz's"
Aug 08 09:50:59 <sevenhundred> does anyone else have problems with tar magic?
Aug 08 09:51:07 <Bish> sevenhundred: i did
Aug 08 09:51:10 <kd8ikt> <-- a Lutz 
Aug 08 09:51:27 <kd8ikt> last i checked thats a german last name
Aug 08 09:51:35 <Bish> kd8ikt: i know many lutzes but all of them are idiots
Aug 08 09:51:42 <kd8ikt> awe fuck you
Aug 08 09:51:42 <Bish> its from Luzifer , isnt it?
Aug 08 09:51:44 <Bish> :D
Aug 08 09:51:54 <Bish> kd8ikt: i mean real life lutzes
Aug 08 09:51:56 <sevenhundred> Bish: "did" as in not anymore? *hopes*
Aug 08 09:52:07 <kd8ikt> lutz is like is german to english for smith
Aug 08 09:52:09 <Bish> sevenhundred: ... i just stopped using tar on the neo :D
Aug 08 09:52:21 <sevenhundred> doh
Aug 08 09:52:21 <Bish> kd8ikt: like schmied and smith?
Aug 08 09:52:33 <kd8ikt> common name
Aug 08 09:52:44 <kd8ikt> like baker or mason
Aug 08 09:52:52 <Bish> ah okay :D
Aug 08 09:54:44 <xt> and you thought you were special :/
Aug 08 09:54:54 <Bish> lol
Aug 08 09:55:04 <Bish> my name is arne 
Aug 08 09:55:12 <Bish> nobody is named arne -_- 
Aug 08 09:55:30 <kd8ikt> i want to defect to germany
Aug 08 09:55:38 <kd8ikt> screw the US
Aug 08 09:55:42 <sevenhundred> Bish: lots of people are named Arne in sweden
Aug 08 09:55:55 <Bish> yeah coz its a swedish name, isnt it?
Aug 08 09:56:07 <xt> Bish: I know plenty
Aug 08 09:56:11 <kd8ikt> how far is amsterdam from germany? can you just hop on a train and get there?
Aug 08 09:56:11 <sevenhundred> well, not lots of people :p
Aug 08 09:56:32 <Bish> kd8ikt: yeah its like that
Aug 08 09:56:37 <kd8ikt> sweet
Aug 08 09:57:01 <Bish> why? :D
Aug 08 09:57:05 <Bish> do u like marihuana?
Aug 08 09:57:15 <Bish> or red light?
Aug 08 09:57:39 <kd8ikt> la cucaracha
Aug 08 09:57:48 * kd8ikt will never pay for sex
Aug 08 09:57:51 <Voyd> canals
Aug 08 09:58:13 * Bish has sex without paying for it
Aug 08 09:58:21 <kd8ikt> well i pay for sex in outher ways like drinks/food/shelter
Aug 08 09:58:23 <beni_> who not?
Aug 08 09:58:26 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 08 09:58:43 <kd8ikt> oh we all pay for sex in some form or another
Aug 08 09:58:51 <dbmoodb> kd8ikt: this channel is logged
Aug 08 09:58:58 <Bish> kd8ikt: liquid extasy, eh eh eh !
Aug 08 09:58:59 <beni_> yeah, sometimes you need to put rings on your finger
Aug 08 09:59:02 <kd8ikt> heh lol i dont care
Aug 08 09:59:05 <dbmoodb> i'm going to quote a mock of linus -- "its better when its free"
Aug 08 09:59:21 <TankC> hahaha
Aug 08 09:59:28 <dbmoodb> still is 2008.8 out ?S
Aug 08 09:59:43 <dbmoodb> or should i revise the history on the wiki
Aug 08 09:59:45 <kd8ikt> bomb, sedition, treason
Aug 08 09:59:55 <dbmoodb> kd8ikt: no murder ?
Aug 08 10:00:05 <beni_> Download Om 2008.8
Aug 08 10:00:06 <beni_> * Coming soon... 
Aug 08 10:00:10 <beni_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
Aug 08 10:00:16 <Bish> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
Aug 08 10:00:18 <Bish> :(
Aug 08 10:00:28 <beni_> they make it very thrilling
Aug 08 10:00:37 <Bish> beni_: yeah we all already read this page :p
Aug 08 10:00:39 <beni_> Bish: unplug and replug usb
Aug 08 10:00:46 <zogs>   /etc/init.d/network restart
Aug 08 10:00:55 <trickie|work> Bish: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Aug 08 10:01:00 <Bish> zogs: i cant.. without terminal
Aug 08 10:01:03 <beni_> Bish: then i had an old version in my cache, i saw it just this moment
Aug 08 10:01:14 <zogs> in your pc 
Aug 08 10:01:33 <Bish> zogs: -_- 
Aug 08 10:01:41 <beni_> ok, im out, have fun everyone!
Aug 08 10:01:44 <beni_> nice weekend
Aug 08 10:01:51 <TankC> the mokomake fails on my computer in the very beginning
Aug 08 10:02:02 <TankC> after it checks out the first git repository
Aug 08 10:02:04 <Bish> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host
Aug 08 10:02:08 <Bish> pisses me off
Aug 08 10:03:52 <kd8ikt> anyone else here besides me rock ipv6?
Aug 08 10:05:34 <Bish> fuck !
Aug 08 10:05:44 <Bish> cant connect to the freerunner
Aug 08 10:06:40 <lpotter> try to reboot
Aug 08 10:06:49 <Bish> which one, destop or freerunner?
Aug 08 10:07:12 <lpotter> freerunner. if you just flashed I have found it needs to reboot to connect to usbnet
Aug 08 10:07:26 <lpotter> the latest images anyway
Aug 08 10:08:57 <Infoport> hello all ! I am still having an issue where my phone doesnt send or receive sound-- happened after I tried to store my settings in .state file, but I dont know where to change it back
Aug 08 10:10:39 <Infoport> I'm not sure I understand all of the alsamixer settings, and I haven't found what settings/files change call volumes for me
Aug 08 10:11:16 <Bish> lpotter: i rebootet it several times
Aug 08 10:11:44 <Infoport> btw, I'm running OM2007.2 with regular opkg upgrades
Aug 08 10:13:40 <trickie|work> Bish: do you have the usb interface up on your PC?
Aug 08 10:14:10 <Bish> sure.. i already used it
Aug 08 10:15:23 <trickie|work> Bish: but is it up now, and on the same subnet as 192.168.0.202?
Aug 08 10:15:45 <trickie|work> usb network interface i mean
Aug 08 10:16:11 <kd8ikt> heh cmon tell me someone has ipv6 listening
Aug 08 10:16:23 <kd8ikt> i wanna show you somethin
Aug 08 10:16:35 <kd8ikt> and i'm not about to forward ports
Aug 08 10:16:54 <Bish> trickie|work: yes it does.
Aug 08 10:17:09 <Bish> trickie|work: i know how ipv4 works
Aug 08 10:17:21 <Bish> and i know how usbnetworking works
Aug 08 10:17:35 <trickie|work> Bish: alright, just trying to debug with you :)
Aug 08 10:17:49 <trickie|work> Bish: your modules must be out of sync with your kernel then
Aug 08 10:17:52 <Bish> yeah okay. thanks. ims orry
Aug 08 10:18:03 <trickie|work> on your FR
Aug 08 10:18:15 <Bish> hm.. flashed the newest qtopia image
Aug 08 10:18:23 <Bish> maybe i go back to om2007.2...
Aug 08 10:18:28 <Bish> or wait for 2008.8 xD
Aug 08 10:18:50 <trickie|work> well recently usb gadget ether was split out as a module
Aug 08 10:19:34 <dbmoodb> btw first to launch / grab it md5sum it then post that ifs it not then bittorrent it 
Aug 08 10:19:45 <trickie|work> Bish: id wait till later today for the 2008.8 and flash kernel and rootfs 
Aug 08 10:20:08 <trickie|work> then you can be sure you have the correct modules... considering all the recent changes in kernel config
Aug 08 10:20:43 <Bish> ah okay, thanks
Aug 08 10:20:47 <Infoport> trickie: I read the Wiki about needing the modules, and followed it, but I had already rebooted many times with no USB problem, so I wonder if they finally tied it in with a dependency
Aug 08 10:21:47 <trickie|work> Infoport: yeah should be fixed with recent builds i think
Aug 08 10:21:55 <trickie|work> as long as you reflashed kernel and rootfs
Aug 08 10:22:00 <trickie|work> from the same build
Aug 08 10:22:28 <trickie|work> then from now on you can just opkg upgrade your way to new kernels/modules
Aug 08 10:23:54 <Infoport> trickie|work: I had only updated the phone via opkg-- no full flashes-- and never had the problem. using newer uBoot now, but I saw the Wiki on those kernel modules about 4 days after the thread started
Aug 08 10:24:53 <trickie|work> Infoport: yep sounds the right way... i think alot of people were flashing kernel updates with the corresponding rootfs from the same build... and that worked ok sometimes
Aug 08 10:25:01 <trickie|work> but not anymore
Aug 08 10:25:11 <trickie|work> sorry
Aug 08 10:25:29 <trickie|work> *without* the corresponding rootfs
Aug 08 10:25:35 <xt> anyone have openvpn running on freerunner? Are there any gotchas?
Aug 08 10:27:57 <Infoport> can anyone help me with "no sound in calls"? I tried to follow Wiki (and threads) on setting a normal volume with alsamixer, and store in .state files, and now I get/send no sound during calls :-(
Aug 08 10:28:11 <kd8ikt> aw wtf my ssh keys arent working
Aug 08 10:31:17 <Infoport> if anyone could send me sane .state files (i.e. /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state), maybe I could see diff where mine are borked
Aug 08 10:33:04 <thebohemia1> anyone experiencing this problem as well?
Aug 08 10:33:04 <thebohemia1> git fetch git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git stable failed with signal 128, output:
Aug 08 10:33:04 <thebohemia1> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Aug 08 10:33:04 <thebohemia1> fatal: Fetch failure: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git
Aug 08 10:33:04 <thebohemia1> NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+gitr855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4: task do_fetch: failed
Aug 08 10:36:58 <Infoport> can anyone help me with "no sound in calls"? haven't received or sent sound in calls since trying to follow Wiki to set good starting volumes, and don't know where it is fouled. Maybe someone could send me good .state files?
Aug 08 10:38:11 <thebohemia1> mickeyl: I got answer from the district court regarding OE e.V. today: I have to send money and we need to fix a few minor issues in our statutes
Aug 08 10:38:20 <mickeyl> thebohemia1: good!
Aug 08 10:38:22 <mickeyl> progress
Aug 08 10:38:27 <thebohemia1> mickeyl: I will write a mail about this after work (or tomorrow)
Aug 08 10:38:31 <mickeyl> excellent thanks.
Aug 08 10:38:36 <mickeyl> how much do they ask for?
Aug 08 10:38:48 <thebohemia1> 65€
Aug 08 10:39:21 <Infoport> thebohemial: was your error from upgrading through opkg? I just tried, and it is working for me
Aug 08 10:41:40 <thebohemia1> Infoport: no, I try to build a package from openmoko using OE org.oe.dev branch (I assume this is not always in sync with OM's OE metadata repository, right?)
Aug 08 10:43:19 * thebohemia1 food!
Aug 08 10:45:47 <Infoport> please, can anyone help me with "no sound in calls" issue? I've been beating my head for days! :-(
Aug 08 10:47:10 <kd8ikt> Infoport: 
Aug 08 10:47:22 <kd8ikt> http://moko.mwester.net/
Aug 08 10:47:35 <kd8ikt> that may or maynot work, bear in mind its probably a bit old
Aug 08 10:47:58 <kd8ikt> feel free to hassle mwester about it next time you see him in here
Aug 08 10:49:27 <andred> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ *wink*
Aug 08 10:49:52 <Tig|> andred: woot :) ta :)
Aug 08 10:49:54 <kd8ikt> heh nice andred 
Aug 08 10:50:08 <kd8ikt> people have been looking for that for hours
Aug 08 10:50:12 <dbmoodb> ah....
Aug 08 10:50:23 <dbmoodb> Coming soon... (initialy scheduled fo 2008/08/08, but not ready yet) 
Aug 08 10:51:17 <dbmoodb> ah it just updated
Aug 08 10:51:25 <dbmoodb> seems they are running a buildbot on it and syncing it up 
Aug 08 10:51:37 <Tig|> odd it is downloading here
Aug 08 10:52:11 <dbmoodb> Tig|: so its out ?
Aug 08 10:52:26 <Tig|> well I have just downloaded something
Aug 08 10:52:38 <dbmoodb> --- hope you have backed up 
Aug 08 10:52:42 <dbmoodb> i'm doing that now
Aug 08 10:52:56 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r14c7a87f4af0 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix property names in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo(), thanks Ainulindale!
Aug 08 10:53:26 <Infoport> kd81kt: was that URL for my audio problem? pactl stat shows pulseaudio server running (but no sound in call)
Aug 08 10:54:01 <kd8ikt> ... is that after a suspend or just deafultly?
Aug 08 10:54:17 <kd8ikt> defaultly
Aug 08 10:54:55 <dbmoodb> Tig|: flashing ?
Aug 08 10:55:02 <Bish> 2008.8 is out, but not ready guis
Aug 08 10:55:06 <Bish> guys*
Aug 08 10:55:15 <Bish> 2008.8 was sheudeled for today, but its still buggy
Aug 08 10:55:19 <Bish> but youre able to download it from
Aug 08 10:55:22 <Bish> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
Aug 08 10:55:25 <Infoport> kd81kt: no sound to/from my phone, since about July28, even with updates a minute ago and a reboot
Aug 08 10:55:30 <dbmoodb> what is buggy ?
Aug 08 10:55:36 <Tig|> Bish:  ah I will not start the flashing then :)
Aug 08 10:55:41 <kd8ikt> what image you using Infoport 
Aug 08 10:55:52 <Bish> Tig|: i thinks its more stable then the qtopia images ^^
Aug 08 10:56:05 <dbmoodb> Tig|: i will download it and shove it on an sdcard... 
Aug 08 10:56:08 <Infoport> kd8ikt: sorry, I'm using 2007.2, updated regularly with opkg
Aug 08 10:56:20 <kd8ikt> something to keep you busy untile there is a "stable" ver 
Aug 08 10:56:24 <Infoport> on mass-sales GTA02v5
Aug 08 10:56:33 <Bish> keep you busy
Aug 08 10:56:33 <Tig|> biab
Aug 08 10:56:33 <Bish> hehe
Aug 08 10:57:01 <kd8ikt> just dont fill the mailing list with todays 2008.8 is that what you mean Bish 
Aug 08 10:57:07 <kd8ikt> ?
Aug 08 10:58:09 <Bish> yes :D
Aug 08 10:58:10 <dbmoodb> well tlhe wiki just changed
Aug 08 10:58:16 <dbmoodb> seems to be out to me
Aug 08 10:58:29 <Bish> sounds great
Aug 08 10:58:39 <kd8ikt> grow some balls people wheres your sense of adventure just flash the bugger 
Aug 08 10:58:46 <Bish> :D
Aug 08 10:58:58 <Bish> i mean what happend, your balls dropped of? 
Aug 08 10:58:58 <Bish> :D
Aug 08 10:59:02 <kd8ikt> programming... the final frontier
Aug 08 10:59:03 <dbmoodb> kd8ikt: yeah after you do it first
Aug 08 10:59:08 <dbmoodb> deal ?
Aug 08 10:59:11 <Bish> im flashing right now
Aug 08 10:59:21 <Infoport> my sense of adventure is currently in a phone that does everything *BUT* make phone calls :-(
Aug 08 10:59:44 <kd8ikt> then flash it Infoport 
Aug 08 11:00:09 * Bish will start a gentoo-distro for the freerunner :P
Aug 08 11:00:09 <kd8ikt> me i'm kinda still mesing with all my computers
Aug 08 11:00:21 <dbmoodb> Bish: damn it there is already a debian iamge posted bish
Aug 08 11:00:32 <dbmoodb> but Bish go ahead anyways :)
Aug 08 11:00:33 <Bish> dbmoodb: i dont care about fkkng debian
Aug 08 11:00:35 <zash> Bish: isn't oe based on gentoo?
Aug 08 11:00:39 <zash> Bish: or was it debian
Aug 08 11:00:44 <zash> something
Aug 08 11:00:49 <kd8ikt> evidently some rsa keys i had made like months ago have become blacklisted 
Aug 08 11:00:49 <Bish> zash: i dont care :D i will use gentoo :P
Aug 08 11:00:50 <Zorkman> damn, why is there no targ.gz for 2008.8??
Aug 08 11:00:59 <Zorkman> that is much easier for mounting on SD
Aug 08 11:01:00 <Bish> Zorkman: cant u mount jffs2?
Aug 08 11:01:01 <kd8ikt> so now i'm trying to replace all keys
Aug 08 11:01:25 <Zorkman> Bish: it is complicated to do that with a jffs2, no?
Aug 08 11:01:49 <Infoport> yeah I guess flashing it is the *easy* way out, but I'd like to know what mixer settings are fouled
Aug 08 11:01:52 <zash> kd8ikt: imagine what happens if you dissable plaintext logins
Aug 08 11:01:59 <kd8ikt> because there was a flaw with ssl? dunno what ssl has to do with rsa, but my ssh keys have been blacklisted
Aug 08 11:01:59 <dbmoodb> Bish: yeah well i don't want to emerge on my damn phone dude
Aug 08 11:02:02 <Bish> Zorkman: dont know.. let me try
Aug 08 11:02:06 <Bish> dbmoodb: i do :D
Aug 08 11:02:24 <dbmoodb> emerge world -- come back 6 days later
Aug 08 11:02:27 <dbmoodb> damn still isn't done
Aug 08 11:02:32 <dns53> kd8ikt they both use the same library
Aug 08 11:02:39 <kd8ikt> :P
Aug 08 11:02:46 <Infoport> Bish: I would rather see a LiveCD with a development setup and emulator
Aug 08 11:02:55 <kd8ikt> hope noone comprimised my servser then
Aug 08 11:03:13 <Bish> dbmoodb: somone tried to compile openoffice with the freerunner
Aug 08 11:03:19 <dbmoodb> ahahahaha
Aug 08 11:03:19 <Zorkman> can't find the instruction for jffs2-> SD anymore on the wiki...
Aug 08 11:03:21 <kd8ikt> lol
Aug 08 11:03:26 <Bish> dbmoodb: no even. on the neo1973
Aug 08 11:03:26 <dbmoodb> AHAHAHAHA
Aug 08 11:03:43 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29
Aug 08 11:03:44 <dns53> give me a sec Zorkman
Aug 08 11:03:44 <dbmoodb> Zorkman: its under qtopia
Aug 08 11:03:46 <Bish> Zorkman: its just an fs .. its in the linux mainline kernel like evrything else
Aug 08 11:03:56 <kd8ikt> -----------------------------------^  Zorkman 
Aug 08 11:04:05 <dbmoodb> it doesn't work for me under ubuntu 
Aug 08 11:04:08 * dbmoodb reboots
Aug 08 11:04:09 <Dave> Zorkman Zorkman Zorkman
Aug 08 11:04:10 <Bish> dbmoodb: it was running 2 weeks, then he aborted compiling openoffice :D
Aug 08 11:04:31 <kd8ikt> he tried compiling it on the freerunner?
Aug 08 11:04:40 <dns53> you need to install a package first dbmoodb
Aug 08 11:04:54 <dbmoodb> dns53: which ?
Aug 08 11:04:58 <kd8ikt> thats fucking retarded, even on my gentoo 2.4Ghz box it takes like a day
Aug 08 11:05:02 <dns53> mtd-tools
Aug 08 11:05:13 <Bish> kd8ikt: :D yes
Aug 08 11:05:13 <dbmoodb> oh go fish was in debian etch
Aug 08 11:05:21 <kd8ikt> thats why i opt for the emerge openoffice-bin now
Aug 08 11:05:34 <Bish> evryone emerges openoffice-bin :P
Aug 08 11:05:48 <kd8ikt> i cant believe he didnt atleast crosscompile it
Aug 08 11:06:00 <kd8ikt> who is this so i can poke fun of him
Aug 08 11:06:34 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: can i run those commands from the FR? because i do not have a cardreader in my pc
Aug 08 11:06:49 <kd8ikt> huh? 
Aug 08 11:07:01 <Zorkman> export loop=$(losetup -f)
Aug 08 11:07:10 <Zorkman> en the rest
Aug 08 11:07:10 <kd8ikt> no you mount it on your computer then tar up the filesystem and scp it to your phone
Aug 08 11:07:21 <confidential2> so om2008.8 is out now?
Aug 08 11:07:21 <kd8ikt> thats sjust sill Zorkman 
Aug 08 11:07:28 <kd8ikt> silly*
Aug 08 11:07:32 <Zorkman> i'm new to linux you know...
Aug 08 11:07:43 <Infoport> really? is "reinstall" the only solution anyone has for my sounds problem? (that's soooo Windows :-P )
Aug 08 11:07:43 <kd8ikt> do you want me to make a tgz for you?
Aug 08 11:07:45 <Bish> i like the idea about a mobile gentoo :)
Aug 08 11:07:54 <dbmoodb> i still can't mount it you know mtd-toold didn't work
Aug 08 11:08:07 <Bish> Zorkman: youre new to linux and buying something like a freerunner?
Aug 08 11:08:33 <Zorkman> gotta start somewhere :p
Aug 08 11:08:38 <ike> wow. ;-)
Aug 08 11:08:39 <Bish> okay
Aug 08 11:08:41 <Bish> good argument :p
Aug 08 11:08:51 <dbmoodb> so.. any other packages i need ?
Aug 08 11:08:58 <Infoport> hey Zorkman is jumping in with both feet! :thumbup:
Aug 08 11:09:00 <Bish> Zorkman: a good start is .. stage1 gentoo
Aug 08 11:09:02 <Bish> on the FR
Aug 08 11:09:59 <dbmoodb> Bish: good luck with that
Aug 08 11:10:21 <Infoport> Zorkman you can partition the cards on the FR, using USB networking from your host (or type it on the tiny keyboard) and put everything on the SD card with it in the FR
Aug 08 11:11:08 <CVirus> 2008.8 out
Aug 08 11:11:10 <ecraven> bumbl: hey ;) did you get gentoo running yet?
Aug 08 11:13:02 <kd8ikt> hey Zorkman you lazy butthole http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Om2008.8.tar.gz
Aug 08 11:13:04 <bumbl> nah not yet; I haven't had that much time
Aug 08 11:13:15 <Infoport> one last plea for help... can anyone help me with no-sound-in-calls? maybe send me your good .state files from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarioes/ ? my other fix is to reinstall (reflash) the whole thing, and that is such a Windoze solution
Aug 08 11:13:17 <bumbl> got up to compiling the kernel
Aug 08 11:13:24 <kd8ikt> seriously how long did that take me? like 2 min i'm da bomb
Aug 08 11:13:27 <bumbl> so I am nearly done with the basic installation
Aug 08 11:13:36 <ecraven> bumbl: did you set up a cross compiler?
Aug 08 11:13:41 <ecraven> or a dist-cc setup ;)
Aug 08 11:13:47 <bumbl> not yet
Aug 08 11:13:57 <bumbl> ecraven: icecc
Aug 08 11:14:16 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: i'm not lazy, i was downloading the jjfs2
Aug 08 11:14:20 <Zorkman> but thank yo very much
Aug 08 11:14:27 <bumbl> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_An_ICECREAM_Compile_Cluster
Aug 08 11:14:52 <ecraven> bumbl: icewm control center?
Aug 08 11:15:01 <CVirus> anybody flashing their phone yet ?
Aug 08 11:15:11 <zedstar_> so 2008.2 is available for download
Aug 08 11:15:14 <zedstar_> .8
Aug 08 11:15:19 <CVirus> yes
Aug 08 11:15:21 <ecraven> bumbl: i should try gentoo again some time
Aug 08 11:15:21 <kd8ikt> and if you cant uncompress a tar.gz so help me
Aug 08 11:15:28 <Elleo> zedstar_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
Aug 08 11:15:34 <CVirus> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 08 11:15:35 <CVirus> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
Aug 08 11:15:47 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: i'v'e done dualboot since the first day i got the freerunner, i'm new to this but i'm not sutpid
Aug 08 11:15:49 <kd8ikt> http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Om2008.8.tar.gz
Aug 08 11:16:09 <kd8ikt> i'm just giving you shit cause its fun
Aug 08 11:16:22 <zedstar_> anyone flashed it yet?
Aug 08 11:16:22 <kd8ikt> :D
Aug 08 11:16:26 <Zorkman> i don't mind :)
Aug 08 11:16:39 <kd8ikt> you better mind it
Aug 08 11:16:49 <kd8ikt> or else i'll go ape %$^%^$
Aug 08 11:16:53 <Dave> export Zorkman
Aug 08 11:16:56 <Infoport> heck, I'm gona try the dual boot on FR, and see what .state files it has... off to toggle bits! l8r!
Aug 08 11:16:59 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 11:17:18 <kd8ikt> export Dave=FAIL
Aug 08 11:17:19 <zash> kd8ikt: watch it, i might try to decode that as a regex
Aug 08 11:17:30 <Zorkman> Infoport: i have an unmodified state file backup somewhere
Aug 08 11:17:35 <Kev_> hi :)
Aug 08 11:17:41 <Zorkman> llo dave
Aug 08 11:17:52 <kd8ikt> s//regular/expressions/fail
Aug 08 11:18:10 <Kev_> 2008.8 is released, I want to install it to the SD card, is there a way for tripple boot between 2007.2, 2008.2 and Qtopia?
Aug 08 11:18:11 <Dave> hoooooooooi :D
Aug 08 11:18:21 <Infoport> Zorkman: really? would you mind sending them to me? TIA
Aug 08 11:18:24 <bumbl> ecraven: the porblem is: when I boot from a livecd and compile something the laptop gets too hot and halts itself (acpid and lm_sensors solve this problem) so the installation takes its time
Aug 08 11:18:24 <Dave> kev, eww
Aug 08 11:18:29 <bumbl> Davy
Aug 08 11:18:42 <kd8ikt> hey kev if you didnt knotice i just made a tarball of it for SDcard usage 
Aug 08 11:18:44 <Dave> ecraven!
Aug 08 11:18:46 <Dave> bumble :)
Aug 08 11:18:47 <Zorkman> Kev_:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card  do tha same with another partition and adjust the u-boot
Aug 08 11:18:55 <Zorkman> I'll searh Infoport
Aug 08 11:19:00 <andylockran> hey guys
Aug 08 11:19:04 <ecraven> bumbl: lol, sounds like fun
Aug 08 11:19:06 <Kev_> a cool, thanks :)
Aug 08 11:19:18 <kd8ikt> of course my uplaod spees is amazinlgy slow so downloading the jffs and mounting/tarballing it yourself might be faster
Aug 08 11:19:19 <bumbl> ecraven: yes
Aug 08 11:19:38 <Dave> hvordan står det til med mine utenlandske venner?
Aug 08 11:19:46 <Bish> dbmoodb: thanks man
Aug 08 11:19:48 <Kev_> but another thing, at the moment I have the 2007.2 in the flash, Does it work, if I copy the files to a new SD partition?
Aug 08 11:20:21 <Bish> Kev_: u want to copy NAND -> sdcard?
Aug 08 11:20:35 <Dave> all your nand are belong to me
Aug 08 11:20:39 <confidential2> Dave: hvem er det du kaller utenlandsk...?:P
Aug 08 11:20:46 <Kev_> yes, because I want to use the new 2008.8 as main system
Aug 08 11:20:47 <Bish> english pls?
Aug 08 11:20:51 <andylockran> I hear there are quite a few cyclists interested in using the moko as a (very advanced) cycle computer
Aug 08 11:20:58 <confidential2> yeh, sry:P
Aug 08 11:21:01 <Bish> Kev_: i would say.. just backup your NAND with dfu_util
Aug 08 11:21:03 <Kev_> so I want to copy my old and modified 2007.2 to the SD
Aug 08 11:21:12 <andylockran> which of the gps track upload sites does anyone recommend for cycling?
Aug 08 11:21:12 <Dave> confidential dududu :D
Aug 08 11:21:27 <Bish> Kev_: .. first backup your nand, then u can try to copy evrything, or even unpack :P 
Aug 08 11:21:36 <Bish> u cant copy a running linux system
Aug 08 11:21:45 <Bish> but a.. "suspendet" one
Aug 08 11:21:54 <Kev_> yes.. I know... always have a backup :) ok I will try
Aug 08 11:21:54 <Zorkman> Infoport: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dme0vj
Aug 08 11:22:07 <Zorkman> ah wait, no that is my modified one, will upload the original, sorry
Aug 08 11:22:16 <dingman> Bish, you *shouldn't* copy a running file system. It's rolling the dice. But I've won that gamble more than once ;)
Aug 08 11:22:28 <Zorkman> Infoport: original: http://www.sendspace.com/file/j91a1m
Aug 08 11:22:38 <Kev_> yes, but I now that I can't copy a running system, but I can run qtopia from SD card and then copy the nand to the SD?
Aug 08 11:23:15 <confidential2> is there any point in flashing the boot loader...?
Aug 08 11:23:26 <Infoport> Kev_: you can boot from NOR, and backup NAND
Aug 08 11:23:56 <Bish> dingman: doesnt matter ! 
Aug 08 11:24:06 <Bish> dingman: if something can broke if u do it, i wouldnt do it
Aug 08 11:24:08 <Infoport> Zorkman THANK YOU!!!! I'll go see now if that fixes it
Aug 08 11:24:08 <Bish> so U CANT
Aug 08 11:24:36 <Zorkman> np
Aug 08 11:25:07 <dingman> Bish: it doesn't break the source no matter what, so as long as you test your copy before you do anything to the original, I don't worry.
Aug 08 11:25:14 <Dave> confidential, hvor i norge kommer du fra?
Aug 08 11:26:00 <Bish> grmz
Aug 08 11:26:07 <Bish> just .. use clean dfu backup
Aug 08 11:26:28 <Bish> wifi... unknown
Aug 08 11:26:30 <Bish> haha, thats great
Aug 08 11:31:32 <koenigjm> anyone compile dfu-util on fedora recently?
Aug 08 11:32:15 <koenigjm> I seem to be having some issues with libusb -> gcc -Wall -g -O2   -static  -o dfu-util_static main.o sam7dfu.o dfu.o  -lusb  
Aug 08 11:32:15 <koenigjm> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lusb
Aug 08 11:32:15 <koenigjm> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Aug 08 11:32:15 <koenigjm> make[3]: *** [dfu-util_static] Error 1
Aug 08 11:32:15 <koenigjm> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/koenigjm/workspace/openmoko/dfu-util/src'
Aug 08 11:32:41 <darkjames> koenigjm, install libusb.
Aug 08 11:32:51 <koenigjm> I did, and libusb-devel
Aug 08 11:33:14 <darkjames> $ ls /usr/lib/libusb.*
Aug 08 11:33:14 <darkjames> /usr/lib/libusb.a  /usr/lib/libusb.la  /usr/lib/libusb.so
Aug 08 11:33:23 <darkjames> $ ld -lusb
Aug 08 11:33:23 <darkjames> ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address
Aug 08 11:34:58 <koenigjm> only one in /usr/lib is libusb.so, and a bunch of 01.so.4's
Aug 08 11:35:17 <koenigjm> no .la or .a
Aug 08 11:35:22 <Infoport> Zorkman thanks! I have sounds in calls again, just need to adjust to remove echo, but it works (think the culprit was a value "Constant PGA Gain" vs "Mute ADC Output")
Aug 08 11:35:23 <darkjames> so you can't compile dfu-util with -static
Aug 08 11:36:50 <Dave> ~_~
Aug 08 11:36:51 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Aug 08 11:38:55 <Zorkman> you're welcome
Aug 08 11:39:59 <koenigjm> darkjames:  Thanks for the top..a quick yum search showed another package called libusb-static ;)
Aug 08 11:40:08 <confidential2> when I boot 2008.8 I am asked the pin code for the sim card, but the keyboard showing on the bottom only has letters. How do I change the input method as you can do with qtopia?
Aug 08 11:44:53 <Zorkman> when booting 2008.8 i get an error during the loading screen with the boots:
Aug 08 11:44:59 <Zorkman> the qpe process vanished
Aug 08 11:45:05 <Zorkman> i can restart or exit, but nothing responds :)
Aug 08 11:46:40 <hiciu> i got error this too :P
Aug 08 11:47:42 <Zorkman> any way to resolv this?
Aug 08 11:47:52 <mmaestri> hi all
Aug 08 11:48:24 <mmaestri> Zorkman: asu is out?
Aug 08 11:48:39 <confidential2> yep
Aug 08 11:49:03 <Zorkman> jup
Aug 08 11:49:14 <Zorkman> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
Aug 08 11:49:24 <Zorkman> but it doesn't boot here.. i get an error..
Aug 08 11:49:29 <mmaestri> yes, i've just seen it
Aug 08 11:49:31 <koenigjm> where I can I modify which loading screen is used during startup on 2007.2?  After I upgraded fully last night, I seem to have two load screen...
Aug 08 11:49:54 <mmaestri> ...and...is it worth?
Aug 08 11:49:57 <confidential2> Zorkman: did you flash the kernel as well?
Aug 08 11:50:07 <Zorkman> yes
Aug 08 11:50:49 <confidential2> how do I change the input keyboard in 2008.8 so that I can write numbers?
Aug 08 11:52:36 <Zorkman> i can ssh in, does anyone have a sollution? hiciu?
Aug 08 11:53:02 <hiciu> no, i don't have any
Aug 08 11:53:26 <xt> someone update topic maybe
Aug 08 11:53:47 <dns53> you in the same ip range? 192.168.0.*
Aug 08 11:53:49 <Infoport> Zorkman: can you answer another Q? in the .state file, the Wiki says change "Speaker Playback Volume" to 112-- is this vale.0 or value.1? what do the two values mean?
Aug 08 11:53:53 <koenigjm> what kernel do you need to update to for 2008.8?
Aug 08 11:55:04 <Ainulindale> confidential2: make an bottom-up movement on the keyboard
Aug 08 11:55:07 <Ainulindale> -n
Aug 08 11:55:12 <Dave> Zorkman, make my scum work :)
Aug 08 11:55:41 <confidential2> Ainulindale: thanks alot :)
Aug 08 11:55:51 <Dave> Ainulindale!
Aug 08 11:56:25 <Blalien> How is 2008.8 working at this point?
Aug 08 11:56:29 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Aug 08 11:56:41 <Dave> How goes it, Ainu?
Aug 08 11:56:50 <mmaestri> Zorkman: are you having trouble to ssh the fr?
Aug 08 11:56:54 <Ainulindale> how goes what ?
Aug 08 11:57:33 <Dave> Things, development :)
Aug 08 11:57:56 <Dave> In other news, why does my AUX red indefinitely illuminated?
Aug 08 11:57:59 <Ainulindale> I'll release a beta version of libframeworkd-glib tomorrow I think
Aug 08 11:58:15 <Dave> ainulinadale, cool, will it be volatile? :p
Aug 08 11:59:21 <Ainulindale> volatile ?
Aug 08 11:59:28 <Dave> nevermind.
Aug 08 11:59:35 <Ainulindale> Man it's sloooooow here
Aug 08 11:59:37 <Dave> When will your work on mood begin? :P
Aug 08 12:00:01 <Ainulindale> I don't knox
Aug 08 12:00:04 <Ainulindale> -x+w
Aug 08 12:00:09 <Dave> Aww, okay
Aug 08 12:00:12 <Ainulindale> I have other things to do.
Aug 08 12:00:13 <Dave> Just wondering
Aug 08 12:00:14 <Ainulindale> More important.
Aug 08 12:00:15 <Dave> yeah yeah
Aug 08 12:00:49 <Dave> Zorkman, what did I have to do again?
Aug 08 12:02:01 <Ainulindale> Well, qpe takes about 40% of the CPU and 20% of the memory
Aug 08 12:02:22 <Dave> ouch
Aug 08 12:02:38 <Dave> and neod takes 120% :D
Aug 08 12:04:15 <Dave> bah
Aug 08 12:04:37 <Dave> waaar is zorkman... ze game mastar
Aug 08 12:06:08 <Zorkman> ik ben er
Aug 08 12:06:11 <Zorkman> what's up?
Aug 08 12:06:18 <El_Senator> can anyone tell me if it is normal for the official ASU image to go into somekind of deep suspend mode right after X i opened?
Aug 08 12:07:10 <mwester> I would have hoped that would be fixed by now, but the older images had a tendency to decide that it was time to suspend, even before user-space was entirely started.
Aug 08 12:07:28 <El_Senator> it seems to be wellknown
Aug 08 12:07:30 <confidential2> I am only able to acces the internet through the wifi, but the Installer application doesn't seem to be able to use wifi...?
Aug 08 12:07:38 <El_Senator> it's up at the 2008.8 page it seems
Aug 08 12:07:39 <El_Senator> at the bottom
Aug 08 12:07:44 <Dave> Zorkman! :D
Aug 08 12:08:14 <Dave> Zorkman, lbreakout2 isn't working, and neither is scum, and oh yeah, I have questions about numpty
Aug 08 12:08:17 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 12:08:48 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 08 12:08:51 <Zorkman> on what image?
Aug 08 12:08:55 <kd8ikt> numpty is kewl
Aug 08 12:08:56 <Dave> GTK :p
Aug 08 12:09:02 <Dave> it would be, if it worked
Aug 08 12:09:10 <Zorkman> what doesn't work?
Aug 08 12:09:12 <kd8ikt> i like droping anvils on the stick poeple
Aug 08 12:09:14 <Zorkman> (specific)
Aug 08 12:09:22 <Dave> yeah, well
Aug 08 12:09:36 <Dave> the stylus is too sensitive which makes it difficult to play
Aug 08 12:09:47 <Dave> plus the drawing offset (might be related to pointercal though)
Aug 08 12:10:01 <Dave> Zorkman, well, is there any way to restart a level in numpty?
Aug 08 12:10:07 <Dave> otherwise it gets tiring and pointless to play
Aug 08 12:10:10 <Zorkman> opdate your 2007.2, then there is no more offset
Aug 08 12:10:24 <Zorkman> yeah, you can use "n" to go to the next level
Aug 08 12:10:31 <Dave> n?
Aug 08 12:10:31 <Kev_> hm
Aug 08 12:10:31 <Zorkman> or just use the arrows when you have completed a level
Aug 08 12:10:36 <Zorkman> yes, the key "n"
Aug 08 12:10:38 <Dave> yes I know
Aug 08 12:10:41 <Dave> there is no keyboard.
Aug 08 12:10:46 <Zorkman> install one
Aug 08 12:10:47 <Kev_> what does dfu_upload error -84 mean? is there a list of the errors?
Aug 08 12:10:50 <Dave> -_-;
Aug 08 12:11:05 <Dave> kev, look at the source, or search for it?
Aug 08 12:11:11 <Dave> zorkman, gimme gimme :P
Aug 08 12:11:28 <trickie|work> anyone know who im supposed to enter a sim pin with numbers in it, when there is no numbers on the keyboard? in 2008.8 this is
Aug 08 12:11:38 <kd8ikt> oh youre using 2007+numpty
Aug 08 12:11:53 <Dave> trickie, flip the keyboard up
Aug 08 12:12:04 <kd8ikt> well then your screwed but i think there is a keyboard applet that lives on the top taskbar
Aug 08 12:12:09 <Dave> kd8, well, I'm using the latest
Aug 08 12:12:11 <Zorkman> dave: pm
Aug 08 12:12:13 <Dave> lives on the top taskbar?
Aug 08 12:12:16 <Dave> okay ^^
Aug 08 12:12:24 <Dave> sekret chatz
Aug 08 12:12:53 <kd8ikt> dunno wich one though... i'm sure youve seen screenshots on scap.linuxtogo that have a lil keyboard on the top bar
Aug 08 12:13:05 <trickie|work> Dave: ok thanks ill try, i shutdown before it locked my pin, as everything i touched tried to submit the pin code and errored
Aug 08 12:13:06 <kd8ikt> anyone know baout that for dave ?
Aug 08 12:13:15 <trickie|work> kd8ikt: i think thats gone
Aug 08 12:13:18 <trickie|work> in 2008.8
Aug 08 12:13:24 <trickie|work> the applet thingo
Aug 08 12:13:32 <Dave> :x
Aug 08 12:13:35 <cbrake> playing with 2008.8 -- looks great :-)
Aug 08 12:13:36 <kd8ikt> for for 2007 <thats what dave is on right now>
Aug 08 12:13:43 <Dave> yeah :P
Aug 08 12:13:43 <cbrake> where is the battery status?
Aug 08 12:13:51 <Dave> click the battery icon
Aug 08 12:13:52 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 12:13:57 <kd8ikt> der
Aug 08 12:13:59 <cbrake> all I see si the charge icon
Aug 08 12:14:06 <cbrake> even when USB is unplugged
Aug 08 12:14:07 <Dave> it's charging
Aug 08 12:14:13 <trickie|work> kd8ikt: ah right, sorry laggy irc connection here not getting all comments at once
Aug 08 12:14:17 <Dave> cbrake, wait a minute :)
Aug 08 12:14:27 <kd8ikt> talk to dave then
Aug 08 12:15:37 <Zorkman> anybody booting 2008.8 from sd?
Aug 08 12:17:53 <confidential2> can't the installer connect through wifi?
Aug 08 12:20:02 <cbrake> Dave: still showing the little lightning bolt ...
Aug 08 12:20:31 <cbrake> maybe I need a good old fashioned reboot
Aug 08 12:21:07 <Zorkman> anybody have a sollution for the qpe error?
Aug 08 12:21:09 <Dave> hmm
Aug 08 12:21:13 <Dave> qpe error?
Aug 08 12:21:31 <Zorkman> when booting 2008.8
Aug 08 12:21:34 <Zorkman> it won't boot :(
Aug 08 12:21:46 <Dave> oh, you mean where it Openmoko's you to death? :D
Aug 08 12:21:53 <Zorkman> "The qpe process vanished. This is bad."
Aug 08 12:21:58 <Dave> o_O
Aug 08 12:22:02 <Dave> scary
Aug 08 12:22:10 <Dave> better than *spank* *spank* *spank* :p
Aug 08 12:22:38 * Dave knuffelt Zorkman
Aug 08 12:22:45 <Dave> cooool the keyboard works now ^^
Aug 08 12:23:16 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: could it be there is something wrong with your tar.gz?
Aug 08 12:23:46 <Zorkman> anyone: i there a way to emulate a keypress via ssh? (i want to emulate "F1")
Aug 08 12:23:57 <Dave> Oh, so did you ever get that magic 8ball to work?
Aug 08 12:24:05 <Dave> or it still crashes everybody's freerunner? :P
Aug 08 12:24:07 <Zorkman> (nope)
Aug 08 12:25:31 <spdr> what is the name of the bluetooth device on FR ?
Aug 08 12:26:08 <cbrake> still don't see the battery icon after reboot -- still the lightning bolt :-(
Aug 08 12:26:40 <mwester> I think that means it's charging.
Aug 08 12:26:46 <Dave> Zorkman did you have a nice icon for breakout2? :D
Aug 08 12:27:14 <cbrake> mwester: there is no charger plugged in for quite some time
Aug 08 12:27:28 <mwester> Oh, ok.  That's not good then.
Aug 08 12:27:48 <Dave> oh, and is the Categories in the desktop file comma-delimited? :o
Aug 08 12:27:52 <mwester> It lags, but not more than 10 seconds or so in my experiene.
Aug 08 12:28:29 <Dave> mwester, in my experience 60seconds is the time it can take
Aug 08 12:28:44 <mwester> 2007.2 firmware?
Aug 08 12:28:50 <Dave> at least on the older gtk images it needed a sixty second refresh period unless the home screen was forcibly refreshed
Aug 08 12:29:54 <xt> um - so no default usb network on om2008.8 ?
Aug 08 12:31:04 <trickie|work> xt: i have
Aug 08 12:31:19 <trickie|work> xt: did you flash kernel *and* rootfs?
Aug 08 12:31:24 <xt> ye
Aug 08 12:31:56 <trickie|work> did your FR go to sleep on you?
Aug 08 12:32:10 <xt> it did , but I booted it
Aug 08 12:32:24 <xt> turned off suspend
Aug 08 12:32:30 <Zorkman> XorA: would it be possible to in the future also make a tar.gz file of the rootfs of 2008.8?
Aug 08 12:32:44 <Zorkman> that makes it easier when you boot from SD
Aug 08 12:32:51 <XorA> Zorkman: I dont control 2008.8
Aug 08 12:33:13 <xt> what about wifi ? or terminal ?
Aug 08 12:33:16 <Zorkman> k, sorry, thought you controled everything on those servers )
Aug 08 12:33:19 <xt> feeling lost !
Aug 08 12:33:37 <XorA> Zorkman: 2008.8 comes from an internal server I cant access
Aug 08 12:33:56 <mwester> :(
Aug 08 12:34:21 <Ainulindale> well, no network with 2008.8
Aug 08 12:35:07 * mwester decides its time to repartition his SD card, and add a few more "boot" menu items -- too many images to test, and reflashing is becoming tedious.
Aug 08 12:35:26 <mwester> I wonder if the uboot code can handle extended partitions?
Aug 08 12:35:44 <xt> so - USB should work?
Aug 08 12:36:04 <XorA> xt: you need to boot twice for USB to work
Aug 08 12:36:30 <xt> huh - ok
Aug 08 12:36:51 <xt> that def. sounds like something that should be on the wiki ^^ 
Aug 08 12:37:07 <zogs> where is keynumber for pin on 2008.8?
Aug 08 12:37:17 <XorA> xt: on first boot, modules arent configured, then opkg configure runs, postinst happens, modules are configured and next reboot they load
Aug 08 12:38:24 <Infoport> bye all! food time
Aug 08 12:38:36 <Dave> heh
Aug 08 12:44:44 <spdr> is it worth flashing 20080808 ?
Aug 08 12:44:58 <spdr> is it usable as a phone, wifi, or anything? :0
Aug 08 12:45:12 <xt> it's very good at dimming your screen
Aug 08 12:45:47 <spdr> besides that? nothing? :p
Aug 08 12:46:03 <xt> I couldnt get wifi or usb to work
Aug 08 12:46:10 <Karrde> usb works
Aug 08 12:46:12 <xt> so that pretty much leaves suduko
Aug 08 12:46:22 <Elleo> have there been changes to the usbnet configuration in 2008.08? As I can no longer connect to it as 192.168.0.202 (which worked with previous ASU builds)
Aug 08 12:46:25 <spdr> heh
Aug 08 12:46:35 <xt> heh
Aug 08 12:46:43 <si-m1> someone update wiki
Aug 08 12:47:25 <Dave> eh?
Aug 08 12:47:27 <Karrde> This keyboard is interesting, you cannot type numbers and small text at the same time and and it doesn't have a space
Aug 08 12:48:06 <trickie|work> Karrde: in the installer, under misc is an alternate illume theme/profile - says it has a qwerty keyboard
Aug 08 12:48:06 <Karrde> Not too easy to write "om2008"
Aug 08 12:48:49 <Ainulindale> space is a slide to the right
Aug 08 12:49:04 <xt> now that's intuitive !
Aug 08 12:49:13 <Karrde> ah
Aug 08 12:49:52 <Karrde> should have thought about that one.
Aug 08 12:50:11 <bumbl> Karrde: that keyboard sucks
Aug 08 12:50:17 <bumbl> raster's is by far better
Aug 08 12:50:36 <Karrde> I agree
Aug 08 12:50:39 <CVirus> si-m1: how about you do so
Aug 08 12:50:48 <si-m1> can i have access to do so?
Aug 08 12:50:59 <CVirus> Guys .. how is the suspend/resume with 2008.8 ?
Aug 08 12:52:06 <si-m1> ah, nm, only needed an account :)
Aug 08 12:52:49 <Karrde> CVirus: I still have the white screen on resume
Aug 08 12:53:06 <Dave> The Virus.
Aug 08 12:53:14 <CVirus> what is that ?
Aug 08 12:53:30 <CVirus> I thought suspend/resume is stable now !
Aug 08 12:53:51 <Dave> no
Aug 08 12:53:55 <CVirus> shit
Aug 08 12:54:00 <Dave> almost :)
Aug 08 12:54:10 <Dave> yeah, I was disappointed as well
Aug 08 12:54:26 <CVirus> The whole system software has been reworked which leads to a very fast and reliable suspend & resume, LED control and power management.
Aug 08 12:54:33 <CVirus> this is what the E-mail says !!
Aug 08 12:54:43 <CVirus> What white screen ?
Aug 08 12:54:48 <Dave> tell that to my gsm modem!
Aug 08 12:54:49 <Karrde> I have had the white screen with _every_ kernel so far
Aug 08 12:55:34 <Karrde> If I turn the gsm off, it didn't appear but that is not a solution
Aug 08 12:55:35 <Zorkman> hi everyon,e i'm filing a bug report, what information should i include regarding my kernel/rootfs and what is the command to get it?
Aug 08 12:56:12 <Dave> Regarding what bug?
Aug 08 12:56:41 <Zorkman> not being able to boot 2008.87 because of qpe-thing
Aug 08 12:57:17 <Ainulindale> why ?
Aug 08 12:57:21 <Ainulindale> too much CPU usage ?
Aug 08 12:58:52 <spdr> hmmm no shortcut to the terminal, how do i make a new one ?
Aug 08 12:58:53 <Zorkman> "The qpe process vanished. This is bad."
Aug 08 12:59:00 <spdr> on 2007.02
Aug 08 12:59:04 <Zorkman> no 2008.8
Aug 08 12:59:34 <Zorkman> qpe is qtopia stuff so 2007.2 doesn't even have it i think...
Aug 08 12:59:55 <ike> Ainulindale: I'm having very high CPU usage on 2008.08 (because of qpe). Is it "normal" or known bug?
Aug 08 12:59:57 <spdr> the version was regarding MY question :)
Aug 08 13:00:07 <Ainulindale> ike: Normal at first boot I suppose
Aug 08 13:00:24 <Ainulindale> ike: just so you know, here, it won't register to network, hence no calls no nothing
Aug 08 13:01:54 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcda64d50cc12 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: 
Aug 08 13:01:54 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: fix to the input plugin
Aug 08 13:01:54 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: TODO: skip EV_SYN events
Aug 08 13:01:57 <Zorkman> anybody booting 2008.8 from SD?
Aug 08 13:02:00 <dingman> no xorg.conf on my gtk-based daily. Where does the X config live on these things?
Aug 08 13:03:45 <spdr> no idea how i can easily add things to the menu (like a Terminal shortcut) on 2007.02 ?
Aug 08 13:04:19 <Dave> oh god
Aug 08 13:04:33 <Voyd> wow, it really does not like staying on for long
Aug 08 13:04:34 <Dave> epiano is such fail, because ts doesn't support multitap :(
Aug 08 13:05:02 <Dave> Also, the xserver-glamo update didn't fix my screen orientation bug :(
Aug 08 13:05:16 * cbrake is not sure what the qtopia keyboard has over the illume keyboard ...
Aug 08 13:05:41 <cbrake> I really like how the letter you type pops up in the illume keyboard by the key you type
Aug 08 13:05:54 <cbrake> kind of like the iphone
Aug 08 13:07:36 * Dave por Xora
Aug 08 13:07:58 * XorA denies all
Aug 08 13:08:54 <Dave> :DDD
Aug 08 13:09:48 <Dave> Xora, I was informed by a reliable source that you specified a functional package yesterday that corrected the xserver-glamo bug related to pointer offset in landscape mode? ;)
Aug 08 13:09:59 <Karrde> Hmm, was there a guide how to turn off the prediction? For example it doesn't know "google" ;)
Aug 08 13:10:43 <Dave> In other news, whoever inserted that om-dist-feeds package into the repo will be receiving a thorough beating from me shortly :]
Aug 08 13:11:50 <XorA> Dave: buildhost should have built fixed glamo package last night
Aug 08 13:11:58 <borg_> is there an ext3 driver in the newest kernel?
Aug 08 13:12:19 <Ainulindale> Is there anyone with a working 2008.8 here ? Meaning, someone who can make calls, as an example :-)
Aug 08 13:12:35 <Dave> Xora, yeah, I updated it this morning, and rebooted, yet my freerunner seems still afflicted by the same bug :(
Aug 08 13:15:15 <Dave> uggh, freerunner usb is so fucking slow
Aug 08 13:15:27 <Dave> needs more fiber
Aug 08 13:15:44 <Pyrasi> What bugs have people found in 2008.8?  I have an ASU build I'm pretty happy with atm, and wont get rid of it if there are considerable problems with the new image 
Aug 08 13:15:48 <Elleo> the usb doesn't work at all for me with the new image :/
Aug 08 13:15:49 <Zorkman> what's the max speed of the wifi? anone tested?
Aug 08 13:15:56 <Dave> heh
Aug 08 13:16:03 <Dave> zorkman, it's pretty decent
Aug 08 13:16:05 <Zorkman> Pyrasi: it won't boot :)
Aug 08 13:16:18 <Pyrasi> well....thats a pretty considerable problem ;) 
Aug 08 13:16:22 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 13:16:23 <Ainulindale> Pyrasi: bugs ?
Aug 08 13:16:26 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 08 13:16:28 <Dave> maybe it needs 8ball :P
Aug 08 13:16:30 <Ainulindale> GSM doesn't work at all
Aug 08 13:16:36 <Ainulindale> Can't enable/disable it
Aug 08 13:16:44 <Ainulindale> It asks for pin but won't register to the network
Aug 08 13:16:48 <Ainulindale> And I just can't find the logs
Aug 08 13:16:57 <Pyrasi> lol....ill just stick to my ASU build then. 
Aug 08 13:17:23 <cbrake> openmoko-mediaplayer2 I'm missing some icons -- anyone happen to know where they are?
Aug 08 13:18:52 <TeNoVi> :S I find the ASU very slow.. :( 
Aug 08 13:19:03 <TeNoVi> or the 2008.8
Aug 08 13:19:22 <Pyrasi> mine is slow for the first ~2 mins and then it speeds up  (ASU that is...not 2008.8) 
Aug 08 13:19:51 <TeNoVi> I don't know the different :P Well. My 2008.8 is slow
Aug 08 13:19:54 <Dave> man would somebody please fix the mediaplayer already
Aug 08 13:19:57 <Dave> it totally blows :)
Aug 08 13:20:13 <Dave> all the graphics/buttons are missing, etc :p
Aug 08 13:20:33 <Dave> Xora, give me your secret package please!
Aug 08 13:20:45 <Dave> fix my screen DISorientation :p
Aug 08 13:21:12 <XorA> Dave: people.openmoko.org/graeme
Aug 08 13:21:41 <Dave> :o
Aug 08 13:22:10 <koenigjm> anyone get pppd working with Tmobile in the US?
Aug 08 13:22:17 <ike> Dave: the patch for Xglamo discalibration entered dev. branch yesterday.
Aug 08 13:22:27 <ike> It should migrate to ASU soon imvho.
Aug 08 13:22:48 <Dave> yeah I know
Aug 08 13:22:52 <Dave> I got it this morning :[
Aug 08 13:22:58 <Dave> but why hasn't it fixed anything! :P
Aug 08 13:23:02 * Dave growls
Aug 08 13:23:22 <ike> Maybe nothing is wrong... What if... there is no spoon.
Aug 08 13:23:44 * Dave sporks ike
Aug 08 13:24:01 <ike> :-)
Aug 08 13:24:17 <Dave> and I'd LIKE to fix my screen orientation before leaving, so I can play games on it :P
Aug 08 13:24:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * ra30ef88c5c15 10/illume/ (54 files in 2 dirs): illume theme: Add source and pixmap for the themes
Aug 08 13:24:51 <ike> Dave: I fully understand your pain. I want to play BaSS!
Aug 08 13:25:15 <koenigjm> so if I get 2007.2 and update fully is that the same as getting ASU? (is confused by the term April Software Update) or it it something entirely different that I would have to flash onto the device?
Aug 08 13:25:37 <Dave> BaSS?
Aug 08 13:25:50 <Dave> ike, my problem is that some users are reporting it worked :P
Aug 08 13:25:52 <ike> Beneath a Steel Sky.
Aug 08 13:25:57 <Dave> Ah, yes! :)
Aug 08 13:27:14 <ike> koenigjm: i don't think that there is an "easy" way (opkg update && opkg upgrade) to install ASU. The most of the people reflashed image.
Aug 08 13:28:01 <Dave> right
Aug 08 13:28:08 <koenigjm> ike: ok thanks, is the general agreement that compared to the 2007.2 that came on the phone is ASU the way to go?
Aug 08 13:28:17 <Dave> welkom zorkman :]
Aug 08 13:28:37 <Dave> bah, I'll have to whine all day about my pointer misorientation :|
Aug 08 13:28:58 <ike> koenigjm: well... it's still buggy and I cannot make phone calls using ASU that's why I'm still using om2007.02.
Aug 08 13:29:06 <ike> However it's very nice and eyecandy.
Aug 08 13:29:15 <koenigjm> ah, right...phone calls are nice
Aug 08 13:29:33 <ike> Well... "nice" is not enough when we're talking about a PHONE!
Aug 08 13:29:34 <ike> ;-)
Aug 08 13:29:43 <koenigjm> lol
Aug 08 13:30:19 <Dave> ugggh
Aug 08 13:30:44 <Zorkman> Dave: http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk did it for me
Aug 08 13:31:23 <Dave> yeah
Aug 08 13:31:30 <Dave> xora let me in on the little secret
Aug 08 13:31:40 <Dave> though that's exactly what was fetched by opkg for me this morning :P
Aug 08 13:31:46 <Dave> little good it did me though :(
Aug 08 13:31:50 <Dave> grawr
Aug 08 13:32:18 <Dave> It REALLY blows because I can't even click anything in scumm :P
Aug 08 13:33:20 * Dave throws freerunners at Zorkman
Aug 08 13:33:26 <Dave> make them work, damnit!
Aug 08 13:33:32 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 13:33:58 * Zorkman catches them and runs like hell away with them :)
Aug 08 13:34:18 <Zorkman> could use one exrta to get 2008.8 working :)
Aug 08 13:34:20 <Dave> :o
Aug 08 13:34:24 <Dave> heh
Aug 08 13:34:36 <Zorkman> dave: you have bluetooth stuff near you?
Aug 08 13:34:41 <Dave> YES
Aug 08 13:34:43 <Zorkman> then you could try remoko
Aug 08 13:34:48 <Dave> remoko?
Aug 08 13:34:56 <Zorkman> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller
Aug 08 13:34:57 <Dave> the re stands for retarded?
Aug 08 13:35:00 <Dave> oh snap?
Aug 08 13:35:02 <Zorkman> http://code.google.com/p/remoko/downloads/list
Aug 08 13:35:12 <Dave> oh, lame
Aug 08 13:35:25 <Dave> remind me again in a bit, I'll try it :P
Aug 08 13:35:25 <Zorkman> never content :)
Aug 08 13:35:44 <CVirus> LOL @ William Kenworthy from the mailing list
Aug 08 13:35:52 <Dave> ROFLCOPTER?
Aug 08 13:35:57 <CVirus> stfu
Aug 08 13:35:58 <Dave> Virus, whahappen
Aug 08 13:36:50 <CVirus> noob .. you make me sick
Aug 08 13:37:10 <Dave> Who, me?
Aug 08 13:37:52 <Dave> Anyhoo, disappointingly several of these apps, Zorkman, are largely unsable because they do not fit on the screen in either orientation mode :[
Aug 08 13:38:01 <Zorkman> is we use a kernel from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ with the 2008.8 roofs?
Aug 08 13:38:17 <Zorkman> is=can
Aug 08 13:39:02 <Dave> zorkman, go for it!
Aug 08 13:39:50 <Zorkman> i'm already going
Aug 08 13:40:04 <Dave> :)
Aug 08 13:40:24 <Dave> Oh well, I guess I'll check in later about possible solutions to this abysmal problem.
Aug 08 13:43:26 <TeNoVi_> Where can I download the image that came with my freerunner? I'm not shure what to download
Aug 08 13:44:36 <bumbl> go to download.openmoko.com/releases/ and take the 2007.2 one
Aug 08 13:44:53 <Kev_> did anyone get wifi to work?
Aug 08 13:45:02 <xt> yep. trough usb
Aug 08 13:45:11 <koenigjm> Kev: on 2007.2, yeah
Aug 08 13:45:26 <Kev_> i tried it with iwconfig, but it doesn't associate
Aug 08 13:45:38 <Kev_> yes in 2007.2 it worked fine, but I mean 2008.8 :)
Aug 08 13:45:50 <xt> Kev_: works for me
Aug 08 13:46:06 <TeNoVi_> bumbl: The link seemed to be down. At least for me
Aug 08 13:46:16 <Kev_> did you enabled it anywhere?
Aug 08 13:46:17 <koenigjm> Kev:  Ah, I am not sure if I am ready to make that leap yet :P...can you make calls from 2008.8 now? 
Aug 08 13:46:39 <xt> Kev_: i just put the correct settings in /etc/network/interfaces and did ifup eth0
Aug 08 13:46:42 <Kev_> I was never able to make calls, because of my sim card is not working...
Aug 08 13:47:09 <Kev_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
Aug 08 13:47:23 <Kev_> I'm "Kevin" in the list :)
Aug 08 13:48:07 <Kev_> but 2008.8 is not even asking for a pin...
Aug 08 13:48:34 <koenigjm> huh, 2007.2 never asked me for a pin...
Aug 08 13:48:38 <koenigjm> but I was able to call...
Aug 08 13:48:52 <Elleo> koenigjm: you'll only be asked for a PIN if you have your sim card pin locked
Aug 08 13:48:52 <Kev_> hmm... ok, did you deactivate your pin?
Aug 08 13:49:14 <Elleo> only some networks lock their pins by default
Aug 08 13:49:23 <Kev_> my sim card is pin locked, roh's last suggestion "0000"
Aug 08 13:49:29 <koenigjm> gotcha, yeah I don't think Tmobile does
Aug 08 13:49:41 <koenigjm> they didn't even want me to pass any credentials for the vpn
Aug 08 13:50:16 <Kev_> and here in germany every simcard is pin locked by default..
Aug 08 13:51:11 <bumbl> TeNoVi_: try this one http://buildhhttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Aug 08 13:51:22 <Kev_> xt: Is your wlan encrypted?
Aug 08 13:51:27 <xt> no
Aug 08 13:51:42 <Torikun> How do you get the terminal on the 200808 image
Aug 08 13:51:44 <Kev_> hm... maybe that's the reason :)
Aug 08 13:52:03 <Kev_> I'm using the usb cable for terminal
Aug 08 13:52:14 <Kev_> I wan't to activate wlan to install a package :)
Aug 08 13:52:55 <xt> kd8ikt: you're the author of lint-wifi?
Aug 08 13:55:02 <Pyrasi> if you want a terminal both openmoko-terminal2 works as well as vte 
Aug 08 13:55:07 <Pyrasi> both work well for me anyway 
Aug 08 13:56:25 <xt> python-pygtk package broken in om2008.8
Aug 08 13:56:29 <xt> :( :( :(
Aug 08 13:56:54 <Torikun> how do you get terminal?
Aug 08 13:57:02 <Ainulindale> gsm is broken and I think it's far worse :-)
Aug 08 13:57:47 <xt> Ainulindale: I agree (:
Aug 08 13:58:08 <Ainulindale> I can't see why it's not working here
Aug 08 13:58:16 <Ainulindale> It asks for PIN but won't register to network
Aug 08 13:58:29 <Torikun> i have that same issue Ainulindale
Aug 08 13:58:52 <xt> Ainulindale: I dont even have PIN on my sim card, but doesnt register
Aug 08 13:58:53 <Pyrasi> i dont know if this is relevant at all....(remember i dont actually have 2008.8 but the old ASU stuff)  But i remember when i installed the gsmd package by mystake one time it messed up my ability to connect to the network......perhaps it was mistakenly installed and needs to be taken out? 
Aug 08 13:59:12 <Ainulindale> no gsmd here
Aug 08 13:59:24 <Pyrasi> =/ 
Aug 08 13:59:27 <Kev_> Torikun: Be happy, My 2008.8 is not even asking me...
Aug 08 13:59:33 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 13:59:42 <Ainulindale> Kev_: did that a couple of times here too
Aug 08 14:00:00 <cbrake> what does the red light on the aux button mean?
Aug 08 14:00:09 <Pyrasi> charging 
Aug 08 14:00:12 <Torikun> ah
Aug 08 14:00:13 <Pyrasi> well....at least it should 
Aug 08 14:00:17 <Sargun_screen> neato.
Aug 08 14:00:19 <Torikun> I thought it was wifi or GPS
Aug 08 14:00:27 <xt> there's a wiki page on leds
Aug 08 14:00:45 <Torikun> I think the phone should of came with a guide / manual
Aug 08 14:00:52 <Kev_> Ah and I read of a bug, that gsm is not working anymore after suspend to ram in current 2008.8
Aug 08 14:00:53 <unknown_lamer> oh god yes! bitbake can build debian packages... woah
Aug 08 14:01:25 * Sargun_screen still can't build an Openmoko image.
Aug 08 14:02:03 <Elleo> ah, illume-config is handy gives back the illume configuration button and the qwerty button
Aug 08 14:02:22 <Sargun_screen> Is that how they are getting the boot up faster?
Aug 08 14:02:22 <Sargun_screen> SWSusp?
Aug 08 14:03:32 <Kev_> oh and there is an another interesting bug: "conman/wifi driver: can connect to wifi network only once"
Aug 08 14:04:09 <zogs> gsm don't work
Aug 08 14:04:24 <zogs> ri-flashing
Aug 08 14:04:26 <unknown_lamer> hmm does anyone know offhand if the neo1973 qemu can use a disk image as an sd card?
Aug 08 14:06:08 <unknown_lamer> I've given up on cross compiling clisp at this point because ... to do so I need to generate a native clisp, manually copy *some* binaries generated at this point to the arm build dir, build everything but the lisp image with the crossgcc, generate the fasls for the base lisp image with the native clisp, bundle all of the fasls into the package, and then generate init.mem on the actual machine... versus just setting up a 20G d
Aug 08 14:06:08 <unknown_lamer> isk image and letting qemu churn away inside of a screen session on my headless machine for a few hours
Aug 08 14:06:09 <Kev_> Ainulindale: Did you need something to do to get the 2008.8 asking you for pin?
Aug 08 14:06:44 <Ainulindale> Nope
Aug 08 14:07:02 <Kev_> just asked after some time or some reboots?
Aug 08 14:08:59 <Kev_> encrypted wlan is now working after an reboot... curios
Aug 08 14:14:39 <lindi-> unknown_lamer: just get clisp from debian?
Aug 08 14:16:09 <unknown_lamer> lindi-: that is what I have done before (/ the painful manual build process), but ... I'd like to setup a mokolisp opkg repo very soon
Aug 08 14:16:33 <unknown_lamer> as I'll have a freerunner in a few weeks hopefully (yay finding paying work)
Aug 08 14:17:58 <Torikun> any updates for 20080808 ?
Aug 08 14:18:55 <unknown_lamer> lindi-: and then there are some patches I need to apply to libffcall to make it work at all (I think I have working patches from someone ... have yet to test) so I'd have to build my own packages /anyway/ (at least until upstream accepts the patches if they work)
Aug 08 14:21:03 <kd8ikt> cool just bought myself a nice lil 2GB microSD for 10$
Aug 08 14:21:53 <Torikun> cheap!
Aug 08 14:22:08 <koenigjm> on ebay I take it?
Aug 08 14:22:25 <koenigjm> all the ones I looked at offered free shipping from Hong Kong :P
Aug 08 14:22:42 <kd8ikt> nah i bought it at a local store
Aug 08 14:22:48 <koenigjm> cool
Aug 08 14:22:55 <linuxxr> shoulda bought 2
Aug 08 14:22:55 <kd8ikt> so its in my hand right now
Aug 08 14:23:23 <kd8ikt> lets see if i can wweasel the one in there out
Aug 08 14:23:32 <zogs> How can run up gsm on om2008.8?
Aug 08 14:23:35 <lindi-> unknown_lamer: ok :)
Aug 08 14:23:35 <linuxxr> a spare
Aug 08 14:23:36 <DocScrutinizer> anybody got a DNS-IP for me? Taiwan DNS is a PITA!
Aug 08 14:23:48 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: run your own dns server?
Aug 08 14:23:54 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 08 14:24:15 <kdean06> Have the 2008.08 images been released yet?
Aug 08 14:24:22 <linuxxr> is 080808 out ?
Aug 08 14:24:27 <koenigjm> yep
Aug 08 14:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> linuxxr: 
Aug 08 14:24:38 <linuxxr> yea what he said
Aug 08 14:24:48 <zogs> linuxxr yes but gsm don't work fine
Aug 08 14:24:56 <linuxxr> ooo nos
Aug 08 14:25:07 <linuxxr> wats up?
Aug 08 14:25:11 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: got "my own" DN-server. But dunno IP by heart
Aug 08 14:25:16 <kdean06> Where can I get the images? The title for the mailing list or something would be fine too. :D
Aug 08 14:26:01 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: make your own dns server do queries for you?
Aug 08 14:26:18 <linuxxr> i guess i leave znone on here a little while longer?)
Aug 08 14:26:35 <kdean06> I see links on the Wiki, nevermind.
Aug 08 14:26:46 <koenigjm> do to the distros wiki
Aug 08 14:26:56 <koenigjm> they have links there.
Aug 08 14:27:07 <koenigjm> *do = go
Aug 08 14:28:14 <Torikun> dam web browser does not connect to any sites
Aug 08 14:29:58 <kd8ikt>    /dev/mmcblk0p1            1.9G         0      1.9G   0% /media/card   
Aug 08 14:29:58 <kd8ikt> yay
Aug 08 14:30:08 <DaveLab> /dev/kd8ikt
Aug 08 14:30:33 <kd8ikt> i got two gigs lalalal laaa laa
Aug 08 14:30:34 <DaveLab> Chox
Aug 08 14:30:56 <DaveLab> kd8 been smokin that lalala
Aug 08 14:30:56 <Pyrasi>  i have 8 in mine ^^
Aug 08 14:30:57 <TeNoVi_> I've just created a swap partition on my microsd card with my laptop. Do the Freerunner automaticly find this?
Aug 08 14:31:12 <DaveLab> tenovi, no
Aug 08 14:31:17 <DaveLab> swapon
Aug 08 14:31:22 <SpeedEvil> mkswap first
Aug 08 14:31:29 <DaveLab> mkevil
Aug 08 14:31:55 <kd8ikt> think a swap would even matter?
Aug 08 14:31:59 <SpeedEvil> It helps
Aug 08 14:32:02 <SpeedEvil> IME
Aug 08 14:32:03 <kd8ikt> hell it might slow it down
Aug 08 14:32:08 <linuxxr> gsm borked   why?
Aug 08 14:32:18 <TeNoVi_> ehm. Do I have to do anything at the phone? Or can I just do something at my computer. I'm noob at that point
Aug 08 14:32:20 <SpeedEvil> swap-over-wifi might also be done.
Aug 08 14:34:29 <SpeedEvil>  /dev/mmcblk0p1         3913244   2447416   1267044  66% /media/card
Aug 08 14:36:22 * tdobson wonders how much a bigger microsd card would cost him
Aug 08 14:36:28 <DaveLab> bah, zorkman
Aug 08 14:36:48 <DaveLab> numpty is pretty unplayable, even with the ability to restart a level :P
Aug 08 14:37:38 * tdobson finds swap via SD card does help, though it's hard to notice until you notice scrolling works a whole lot bette etc
Aug 08 14:37:39 <Pyrasi>  you know you can pause too right?
Aug 08 14:37:51 <Pyrasi>  space bar = pause
Aug 08 14:38:17 <Pyrasi>  oh and escape (if you have a keyboard connected) will undo your last draw
Aug 08 14:38:23 <DaveLab> tdobson, it does?
Aug 08 14:38:40 <tdobson> DaveLab: IME
Aug 08 14:39:18 <Pyrasi>  there was some discussion yesterday about whether swap on a sd card was really a good idea.....i mean that much read/write to the flash mem might make its life MUCH shorter.....
Aug 08 14:39:36 <DaveLab> Input Method Editor?
Aug 08 14:39:57 <Pyrasi>  In My Experience maybe?
Aug 08 14:39:59 <SpeedEvil> Pyrasi: wear leveling allegedly works OK on microSD.
Aug 08 14:40:03 <DaveLab> oh, heh
Aug 08 14:40:14 <DaveLab> Speedevil, what?
Aug 08 14:40:17 <SpeedEvil> pyknite: 100000 writes per block * millions of blocks...
Aug 08 14:40:35 <DaveLab> wrong person?
Aug 08 14:40:43 <SpeedEvil> ptra:
Aug 08 14:41:16 <DaveLab> pita?
Aug 08 14:41:20 <Pyrasi>  oh yea? hmmm....well maybe ill give it a try when i get home then
Aug 08 14:41:28 <DaveLab> swap, activate!
Aug 08 14:41:34 <SpeedEvil> Pyrasi: and consider what you lose if it doesn't work.
Aug 08 14:41:49 <DaveLab> Speedevil, fix the landscape pointer disorientation bug please. :]
Aug 08 14:41:56 <Pyrasi>  8 gb micro sd card o.O
Aug 08 14:42:09 <DaveLab> you surely don't need THAT much swap p
Aug 08 14:42:11 <DaveLab> :p
Aug 08 14:42:27 <Pyrasi>  haha....no...but i need that much osm maps ;)
Aug 08 14:42:49 <Tig|> hmm,  what does : Starting download: [###dfu_download error -71  indicate?
Aug 08 14:42:50 <DaveLab> :D
Aug 08 14:42:59 <DaveLab> oh, heh, that again?
Aug 08 14:43:25 <Pyrasi>  wasnt that something with the uboot version?  I think i saw someone post that before
Aug 08 14:43:50 <Tig|> well it is still running the uboot it shipped with (FR)
Aug 08 14:44:29 <Torikun> wuat is the gps software called again?
Aug 08 14:44:44 <DaveLab> TangoGPS ?
Aug 08 14:44:53 <Pyrasi>  tangogps, navit, location/splinter/diversity
Aug 08 14:45:05 <Torikun> ty
Aug 08 14:45:09 <DaveLab> heh
Aug 08 14:45:10 <Pyrasi>  tangogps.org is the best imo
Aug 08 14:45:16 <DaveLab> tango tango tango
Aug 08 14:45:18 <Kev_> is there any usable software for navigation?
Aug 08 14:45:19 * DaveLab salsas
Aug 08 14:45:25 <Pyrasi>  tangogps.org
Aug 08 14:45:27 <DaveLab> Kev, not as of presently, I do not believe so.
Aug 08 14:45:34 <DaveLab> tango doesn't do navigation.
Aug 08 14:45:43 <Pyrasi>  ohh...like reading directions?
Aug 08 14:45:50 <DaveLab> right
Aug 08 14:45:54 <DaveLab> driving navigation ;)
Aug 08 14:45:59 <Kev_> ok, i tried last version of navit, but it is crashing if i select my destination :D
Aug 08 14:46:01 <Torikun> The image that came out lastn ight ist he latest? No changes right
Aug 08 14:46:04 <DaveLab> like, go straight, then turn right off the cliff
Aug 08 14:46:05 <Pyrasi>  you can set a waypoint and have it give you a direction to drive =P
Aug 08 14:46:23 <DaveLab> Torikun, one major change... it doesn't boot :D
Aug 08 14:46:31 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 14:46:43 <DaveLab> yeah, still working on that :P
Aug 08 14:47:09 <kd8ikt> ok i made a swap on a logical partition
Aug 08 14:47:17 <kd8ikt> 128M
Aug 08 14:47:28 <Kev_> tango gps is quite useful for contributing to osm (my town has now 10 times as much streets as before I had my freerunner), but I want also a software for car navigation and so on...
Aug 08 14:47:35 <Kev_> so I have to wait...
Aug 08 14:47:35 <DaveLab> MOAR SWAP
Aug 08 14:47:49 <Torikun> how do you install tango on 20080808
Aug 08 14:47:56 <DaveLab> kev, of course
Aug 08 14:48:04 <DaveLab> torikun, how would it differ?
Aug 08 14:48:10 <Pyrasi>  aparently Navit has this....but i dont think its been ported to fr completely yet
Aug 08 14:48:17 <Kev_> Torikun: I'm just trying to find that aus
Aug 08 14:48:26 <ronny> hmm, how are the plans for the old ui (2007.2 release, i totaly prefer it over the asu ui)
Aug 08 14:48:26 <Kev_> out^^
Aug 08 14:48:26 <Torikun> DaveLab:  how do you install tango gps lol
Aug 08 14:48:31 <Pyrasi>  navit even has a dbus interface you can get the current directions and stuff from =o
Aug 08 14:48:32 <DaveLab> lol?
Aug 08 14:48:36 <kd8ikt> lol guess how big two of my primary partitions are?
Aug 08 14:48:42 <Torikun> ronny: it was useable and more stable
Aug 08 14:48:43 <kd8ikt> 666M
Aug 08 14:48:48 <DaveLab> opkg install tangogps? make sure it's 0.9.2
Aug 08 14:48:52 <Pyrasi>  Torikun: goto www.tangogps.org and read the page
Aug 08 14:48:53 <kd8ikt> swc would get a kick out of that
Aug 08 14:48:58 <DaveLab> yeah, that too :P
Aug 08 14:49:03 <DaveLab> swc?
Aug 08 14:49:08 <ronny> Torikun: yeah, but what are the plans?
Aug 08 14:49:09 <kd8ikt> swc|666
Aug 08 14:49:14 <DaveLab> ah :p
Aug 08 14:49:16 <Torikun> dunno
Aug 08 14:49:30 <DaveLab> too make fake acronyms be rollin through these here parts.
Aug 08 14:49:40 <Pyrasi>  does lint-wifi connect to wep networks?
Aug 08 14:49:51 <ronny> so far it seems the main plan for openmoko is make the software-stack more sucking
Aug 08 14:49:56 <DaveLab> linty!
Aug 08 14:50:02 <Kev_> right, just worked, installing is as in 2007.2
Aug 08 14:50:06 <Pyrasi>  campwifi connects to open and mofi connects to WPA.....now i just need a gui for WEP =P
Aug 08 14:50:07 <DaveLab> :)
Aug 08 14:50:21 <DaveLab> pyrasi, haha. how weak that is :]
Aug 08 14:51:07 <kd8ikt> Pyrasi: lint does it all
Aug 08 14:51:15 <Pyrasi>  oh yea?
Aug 08 14:51:19 <Pyrasi>  wooo!
Aug 08 14:51:32 <kd8ikt> checkout /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf 
Aug 08 14:51:58 <kd8ikt> except adhoc and static routing lint wifi lacks that
Aug 08 14:52:35 <Pyrasi>  nice
Aug 08 14:52:40 <Pyrasi>  plenty good for me
Aug 08 14:53:39 <DaveLab> :]
Aug 08 14:54:07 <mike--2> how do I remove a contact in 2007.2
Aug 08 14:54:09 <mike--2> anyone?
Aug 08 14:54:29 <DaveLab> I'm glad openmoko doesn't have stock, it'd be crashing more often than their software XD
Aug 08 14:54:43 <mike--2> I have one that was somehow created as (null) - which seg faults Messages every time I try to open it
Aug 08 14:55:08 <DaveLab> yes :D
Aug 08 14:55:16 <DaveLab> I'm glad others noticed that too A:p
Aug 08 14:55:23 <mike--2> heh
Aug 08 14:55:36 <tdobson> :( I think I have problems with my gsm modem
Aug 08 14:55:45 <Pyrasi>  cant do worse than the stocks i bought =(  I decided to start investing in the stock market at the beginning of the summer....im down 20% =/
Aug 08 14:56:07 <Pyrasi>  mainly cause nvidia decided it would be fun to drop from $21 to $11 in one day o.O
Aug 08 14:56:08 <mike--2> heh, should have done that CNN fantasy stock first :)
Aug 08 14:56:12 <DaveLab> tdobson, don't worry, it's probably just one of many problems with the gsm modem :)
Aug 08 14:56:26 <DaveLab> fuck, it's _already_ fantasy openmoko :p
Aug 08 14:56:30 <tdobson> DaveLab: I think it's this one. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/256
Aug 08 14:56:34 <tdobson> in a freerunner
Aug 08 14:56:35 <DaveLab> since nothing works ;)
Aug 08 14:57:25 <DaveLab> gta01? o.O
Aug 08 14:57:30 <DaveLab> retraciles :o
Aug 08 14:57:35 <tdobson> wait it can't be :S
Aug 08 14:57:43 * tdobson is confuzzled
Aug 08 14:57:43 <DaveLab> you noticed that :p
Aug 08 14:57:49 <tdobson> no not that.
Aug 08 14:57:55 <tdobson> I know it says gta 1
Aug 08 14:58:10 <DaveLab> gsm failure
Aug 08 14:58:10 <tdobson> it doesn't matter I need to test more sim cards
Aug 08 14:58:16 <DaveLab> Yes, MORE.
Aug 08 14:58:22 * tdobson is having sim not recognised problems
Aug 08 14:58:30 <DaveLab> Ah.
Aug 08 14:58:34 <tdobson> by *some* sims
Aug 08 14:58:40 <DaveLab> Have you seem the many SIM card related pages on the wiki yet?
Aug 08 14:58:41 <tdobson> not *all* sims
Aug 08 14:58:47 <tdobson> yes.
Aug 08 14:58:50 <DaveLab> Ah, good :p
Aug 08 14:59:03 <DaveLab> you seem to understand then that it is primarily a some work some don't type of issue
Aug 08 14:59:06 <DaveLab> :p
Aug 08 14:59:18 <DaveLab> and the ones that "work" sometimes sort of work (if you weren't confused already) :D
Aug 08 15:00:02 <tdobson> thing is when I do the diagnostic command here: I don't get any of the stuff one is meant to
Aug 08 15:00:08 <tdobson> - I don't get *anything*
Aug 08 15:01:13 <DaveLab> probably indicating it isn't working [properly] :p
Aug 08 15:01:28 <tdobson> yeah :(
Aug 08 15:02:23 <xt> so about GSM on om 2008.8
Aug 08 15:02:28 <xt> working for you guys?
Aug 08 15:02:39 <zogs> not for me
Aug 08 15:02:40 <Ainulindale> xt: I just posted something about that on support@
Aug 08 15:02:44 <Ainulindale> I can receive calls
Aug 08 15:02:46 <Ainulindale> Not emit calls
Aug 08 15:02:47 <Torikun> 200808 is saying no GPS device
Aug 08 15:02:53 <Ainulindale> That's weird enough for me
Aug 08 15:03:14 <xt> Ainulindale, what happens when you try to call? 'Not registered' ?
Aug 08 15:03:20 <Ainulindale> exactly
Aug 08 15:03:38 <Ainulindale> I'm just too tired to use that
Aug 08 15:03:40 <DaveLab> heh, emit.
Aug 08 15:03:45 <Ainulindale> I'll revert to FSO
Aug 08 15:03:51 <DaveLab> haw.
Aug 08 15:03:55 <DaveLab> sissy :p
Aug 08 15:04:20 <Ainulindale> DaveLab: You earned your own easter egg in SHR, when it'll detect you around it will make your device explode.
Aug 08 15:04:36 <DaveLab> :D
Aug 08 15:04:46 <DaveLab> Sounds hot :p
Aug 08 15:05:03 <Torikun> cd /opt
Aug 08 15:05:23 <Ainulindale> Torikun: No such file or directory
Aug 08 15:05:38 <DaveLab> heh
Aug 08 15:05:45 <DaveLab> What is this, an interactive terminal?
Aug 08 15:05:56 <DaveLab> collaborative :P
Aug 08 15:06:00 <Kev_> lol...
Aug 08 15:06:10 <Kev_> is gpsd running?
Aug 08 15:06:13 <Torikun> can anyone get the package manager working ?
Aug 08 15:06:18 <Torikun> it does not start Kev_
Aug 08 15:06:56 <DaveLab> opkg?
Aug 08 15:07:06 <tdobson> hmm. the annoying this is that on the wiki I seem to be the only person with this problem with makes me think it's me doing something wrong...
Aug 08 15:07:19 <Torikun> Dave qtopia package manager on 20080808
Aug 08 15:07:20 <DaveLab> it's possible
Aug 08 15:07:25 <DaveLab> OH
Aug 08 15:07:29 <DaveLab> gah.
Aug 08 15:07:39 <DaveLab> I wouldn't touch that :p
Aug 08 15:07:49 <Ainulindale> Torikun: yes it works here
Aug 08 15:07:52 <Kev_> Torikun, is it installed? "opkg list_installed|grep -i gps"
Aug 08 15:08:01 <Ainulindale> But the rest of the distro doesn't
Aug 08 15:08:04 <Ainulindale> So I just trashed it
Aug 08 15:08:36 <Torikun> it is installed
Aug 08 15:08:46 <Torikun> ah
Aug 08 15:08:51 <DaveLab> maybe it just doesn't like you?
Aug 08 15:10:33 <DaveLab> man, someone needs to update the om-docs as soon as shit stops exploding :)
Aug 08 15:11:20 <Torikun> lol wifi does not connect via exposure
Aug 08 15:11:36 <Kev_> Torikun, you have to edit the gpsd config file
Aug 08 15:11:49 <Torikun> ok
Aug 08 15:11:54 <Torikun> what tty should it be
Aug 08 15:11:56 <Kev_> /etc/default/gpsd
Aug 08 15:12:03 <Kev_> find it out :)
Aug 08 15:12:04 <DaveLab> exploadure
Aug 08 15:12:10 <Kev_> you can read it out with "cat"
Aug 08 15:12:20 <DaveLab> Torikun /dev/ttySAC1
Aug 08 15:12:21 <Kev_> only one tty is giving you something :)
Aug 08 15:12:30 <DaveLab> set it, and forget it!
Aug 08 15:12:44 <DaveLab> the Ronco Freerunner Barbecue!
Aug 08 15:13:49 <Sup3rkiddo> hi, is anyone getting the "Empty flash...blah..blah" when booting the new FSO milestone 2
Aug 08 15:13:58 <Ainulindale> no
Aug 08 15:14:09 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, o.o
Aug 08 15:14:12 <Sup3rkiddo> hmm ok
Aug 08 15:14:12 <Ainulindale> Didn't hear about that Sup3rkiddo 
Aug 08 15:14:21 <Ainulindale> flashed or on SD ?
Aug 08 15:14:27 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, did you build the images yourself?
Aug 08 15:14:32 <Ainulindale> Nope
Aug 08 15:14:50 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, hmm, ok..thanks
Aug 08 15:15:06 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: I build frameworkd periodically for development but that's all
Aug 08 15:15:17 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, yep....
Aug 08 15:15:31 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, oh so, you didnt flash em yet?
Aug 08 15:15:52 <Ainulindale> I flashed it first thing when it was out
Aug 08 15:16:06 <Ainulindale> I just tried 2008.8, saw it wasn't functional, and I'm currently reflashing FSO
Aug 08 15:16:11 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, oh ok
Aug 08 15:17:49 <tdobson> could anyone run "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd " on their phones and tell me how it is *meant* to look....
Aug 08 15:17:52 <kd8ikt> crap my disk isnt working right doesnt like how i setup the partitions
Aug 08 15:19:13 <kd8ikt> and now fdisk wont open it
Aug 08 15:19:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4774245c6026 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): ignore EV_SYN properly
Aug 08 15:20:59 <pazante> i got my Gsm network running when i pushed power button to suspend the phone and then pushed it again to wake it up on 2008.8
Aug 08 15:24:18 <ssweeny> anyone having an issue with 2008.8 not recognizing the wifi?
Aug 08 15:24:29 <Torikun> ssweeny: I can not connect to any wifi spots
Aug 08 15:24:54 <Tig|> hmmm I am getting this dfu_download error -71 every time that I try to flash now :/  
Aug 08 15:24:55 <ssweeny> my settings applet says "unknown" for wifi
Aug 08 15:25:02 <ssweeny> does that mean no wifi or no connection?
Aug 08 15:25:09 <Torikun> does wifi actually work in the release?
Aug 08 15:25:28 <tdobson> anyone know where I might find out what "cme error: 313" means?
Aug 08 15:25:34 <lindi-> whoa, figured out how to make pulseaudio not use 5% cpu time constnatly
Aug 08 15:25:34 <tdobson> it's a gsmd error
Aug 08 15:25:42 <pyknite> hum sorry for this question, but I really want to participate in the openmoko project, but I don't really know where to begin :(
Aug 08 15:25:45 <xt> lindi-: elaborate
Aug 08 15:25:45 <tdobson> lindi-: how?
Aug 08 15:26:07 <gargoyle_grin> Wow.  Lots of people downloading the images.  I'm only getting like 45KBps.
Aug 08 15:26:17 <lindi-> xt: tdobson: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1729#comment:2
Aug 08 15:27:21 <gargoyle_grin> Already flashed the uimage, but still waiting on the rootfs image to download.
Aug 08 15:28:36 <tdobson> pyknite: read the wiki. look for a place where you know more than there is on it and elaborate.. or just hang on irc and chat
Aug 08 15:28:50 <xt> lindi-: nicely done
Aug 08 15:29:15 <tdobson> pyknite: if you have coding skills I'd look for something that works with a script and consider writing a gui to make it easier or look at the guis already available and modify one.
Aug 08 15:29:19 <tdobson> linvery nice
Aug 08 15:29:39 <pyknite> tdobson: yep, got some coding skills ;)
Aug 08 15:29:51 <ssweeny> hmm... seems the sd card isn't detected either
Aug 08 15:29:52 <tdobson> pyknite: well I didn't know :P
Aug 08 15:31:42 <pyknite> tdobson: I don't understand about wich script you're talking
Aug 08 15:31:51 <pyknite> one of yours?
Aug 08 15:31:54 <tdobson> no
Aug 08 15:31:55 <tdobson> hold on
Aug 08 15:32:25 <tdobson> pyknite: you have a neo freerunner?
Aug 08 15:32:41 <pyknite> nop, i will receive mine next week ;)
Aug 08 15:32:48 <gargoyle_grin> Wow.  They should really use bittorrent or something to distribute the images.
Aug 08 15:32:58 <tdobson> hehe
Aug 08 15:33:11 <pyknite> and i'm very impatient ;)
Aug 08 15:33:16 <gargoyle_grin> Lol.  Me too.
Aug 08 15:33:24 <tdobson> in that case, read : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner this and learn everything there is to know about the freerunner before you get it
Aug 08 15:33:51 <tdobson> and look at GPS, Wifi, GPS, GPRS and look at how well it's going :)
Aug 08 15:33:52 <pyknite> tdobson: I've already read it (like a good part of the wiki ;) )
Aug 08 15:33:55 <tdobson> that's my advice..
Aug 08 15:34:10 <tdobson> ok. well I don't know at the moment :P sorry
Aug 08 15:34:40 <tdobson> pyknite: about scripts: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS
Aug 08 15:34:47 <tdobson> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth
Aug 08 15:34:47 <pyknite> tdobson: because i'm interested on python dev ;)
Aug 08 15:35:56 <zogs> root@om-gta02:~# cat  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power/wakeup 
Aug 08 15:38:32 <gargoyle_grin> Almost done downloading...
Aug 08 15:38:36 <gargoyle_grin> 98%
Aug 08 15:39:06 <gargoyle_grin> Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddd......... done!
Aug 08 15:39:27 <zogs> gargoyle_grin: good luck :D
Aug 08 15:39:36 <gargoyle_grin> Many thanks.  :)  Flashing now.
Aug 08 15:40:01 <Chox> clowns.
Aug 08 15:40:13 <gargoyle_grin> Lol.  I don't deny it.  ;)
Aug 08 15:41:08 <Pyrasi> off topic....but check this out if you havent already seen it o.O http://gizmodo.com/5034458/slow-motion-lightning-video-is-mindblowing-will-sell-a-thousand-slo+mo-cameras  Its like the lightning runs a brute force algorithm until it finds a path of least resistance.   awesome. 
Aug 08 15:42:03 <SpeedEvil> It's a top down + bottom up search algorithm basically.
Aug 08 15:42:20 <SpeedEvil> Finding low resistance paths from the upper air to near the ground.
Aug 08 15:42:33 <Chox> *zzzapp!!!*
Aug 08 15:42:55 <SpeedEvil> Then the electric field causes streamers to form from the ground up and rise towards the streamers from the cloud.
Aug 08 15:43:04 <Chox> and next think you know, you have a new, smoky hair-do
Aug 08 15:43:32 <Chox> er, smokey
Aug 08 15:43:37 <Pyrasi> dijkstra == lightning? 
Aug 08 15:44:10 <Chox> If we're talking Modula-2, then yes.
Aug 08 15:44:20 <Pyrasi> ;) 
Aug 08 15:45:00 <Chox> M2 has its merits, but unfortunately, few that make it entirely suitlable for real world software.
Aug 08 15:46:34 <Kev_> does anyone have lint-wifi up and running in 2008.8?
Aug 08 15:46:56 <Kev_> in my phone it is crashs while starting
Aug 08 15:46:59 <Chox> aw.
Aug 08 15:48:44 <zedstar> so 2008.8 comes with it's own location type app? does the image install gypsy and geoclue does anyone know? i noticed in the diversity code there was reference to geoclue but it is not part of openembedded it seems? 
Aug 08 15:48:50 <Chox> its
Aug 08 15:49:37 <Torikun> I got pidgin installed on 2008!
Aug 08 15:49:38 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 15:49:46 <Chox> I died. lol.
Aug 08 15:52:38 <dingman> SMS is dead on my Freerunner 'cause I can't launch the messages app. Anyone know how to fix it?
Aug 08 15:53:25 <dingman> If I launch openmoko-messages manually from the terminal I get "(openmoko-messages:1663): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -11 and height -11" repeatedly before it dies.
Aug 08 15:54:12 <Chox> sounds like a bug.
Aug 08 15:55:13 <dingman> Most likely. But it's one that hasn't been fixed in the daily feed.
Aug 08 15:55:15 <Pyrasi> why use openmoko messages?  why not the qtopia one? 
Aug 08 15:55:53 <dingman> 'cause I've got an almost-everything-works config in the GTK-only build.
Aug 08 15:56:09 <Pyrasi> fair enough 
Aug 08 15:56:20 <linuxxr> back it up
Aug 08 15:56:43 <dingman> I was thinking about putting the 2008.8 on flash and trying it out w/o re-flashing the FreeRunner
Aug 08 15:56:51 <linuxxr> so does the phone work on the release??
Aug 08 15:57:07 <dingman> linuxxr, all backups die 27MB in to the rootfs for me.
Aug 08 15:57:14 <dingman> dfu-util or dd
Aug 08 15:57:43 <dingman> The only thing that works so far is rsync'ing the filesystem, and that's a pain to restore.
Aug 08 15:57:47 <linuxxr>  i know sombody has it
Aug 08 15:58:07 <Torikun> lintwifi and pidgin work!
Aug 08 15:58:19 <linuxxr> phone work?
Aug 08 15:58:23 <Torikun> Last night it did
Aug 08 15:58:28 <Torikun> with 20080808
Aug 08 15:58:45 <linuxxr> no news  is bad news here
Aug 08 15:58:59 <linuxxr> this morning?
Aug 08 15:59:17 <Torikun> want me to call you 
Aug 08 15:59:17 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 15:59:22 <linuxxr> lol'
Aug 08 15:59:30 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 08 15:59:48 <Chox> lol!
Aug 08 15:59:48 <linuxxr> thats a "yes it does work?
Aug 08 15:59:57 <Chox> l0l11one!
Aug 08 16:00:10 <Torikun> tedting
Aug 08 16:00:14 <Torikun> testing now
Aug 08 16:00:16 <Torikun> works
Aug 08 16:03:12 <cjb> wow.  the 2008.08 dialer is ridiculously slow.
Aug 08 16:03:37 <gargoyle_grin> Ok.  I give up.  How do I wake it up?
Aug 08 16:03:57 <Chox> alarm clock.
Aug 08 16:03:59 <Chox> rooster
Aug 08 16:04:11 <DaveLab> cockadoodledooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Aug 08 16:04:18 <gargoyle_grin> Har haaaar de har har.  ;)
Aug 08 16:04:19 <gargoyle_grin> It booted up, the screen went black, and now I can't get it to do anything.
Aug 08 16:04:20 <DaveLab> bawk bawk bagawk!
Aug 08 16:04:53 <gargoyle_grin> Right after flashing it to 2008.08
Aug 08 16:05:01 <Chox> that's choxadoodledoo
Aug 08 16:05:15 <Torikun> lint-wifi not working on new image
Aug 08 16:05:56 <DaveLab> :D
Aug 08 16:05:58 <linuxxr> a while ago u said it works
Aug 08 16:06:05 <DaveLab> haha, yeah
Aug 08 16:06:14 <Torikun> linuxxr: it installed
Aug 08 16:06:14 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 16:06:17 <Torikun> and ran
Aug 08 16:06:19 <Torikun> but no scan
Aug 08 16:06:39 <Chox> lol random lol.  I can't say anything lol without loling. lol.
Aug 08 16:06:51 <linuxxr> ol
Aug 08 16:06:59 * XorA renames Chox  to chuckleboy
Aug 08 16:07:00 <kd8ikt> run from cmdline and see what its debug output is
Aug 08 16:07:13 <Torikun> rebooting 
Aug 08 16:08:26 <linuxxr> im thinking that maybe i need to wait a day or 2
Aug 08 16:08:40 <linuxxr> im thinking that maybe i need to wait a day or two
Aug 08 16:08:44 <kd8ikt> for waht
Aug 08 16:08:51 <linuxxr> o8o8o8
Aug 08 16:09:06 <kd8ikt> i'm flashing it right now
Aug 08 16:09:08 <linuxxr> oooo8o8o9
Aug 08 16:09:35 <linuxxr> proly have a fix or two
Aug 08 16:09:37 <Torikun> dam no scan after a reboot
Aug 08 16:09:55 <linuxxr> well wait 15 minuits
Aug 08 16:10:03 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 16:10:08 <zedstar_> enough with the fireworks already china!
Aug 08 16:10:14 * zedstar_ needs a beer
Aug 08 16:10:23 <kd8ikt> hey i just made a lil cam server out of a p2 and 2 webcams
Aug 08 16:10:40 <gargoyle_grin> Dang.  What does tapping the power button do in 2008.08?
Aug 08 16:10:44 <linuxxr> u have a webcam link zedstar?
Aug 08 16:10:45 <kd8ikt> i think i'll put it in the garage or something with the cams facing the walkway
Aug 08 16:10:53 <linuxxr> fireworks?
Aug 08 16:10:56 <kd8ikt> so i can spy on people at my front door
Aug 08 16:10:59 <SpeedEvil> found 'motion' kd8?
Aug 08 16:11:01 <gargoyle_grin> Suspend?  Power-off?
Aug 08 16:11:06 <zedstar_> olympics ceremony thing
Aug 08 16:11:08 <gargoyle_grin> Magic?
Aug 08 16:11:08 <kd8ikt> yeah motion is pimp
Aug 08 16:11:31 <kd8ikt> if you have ipv6 you might be able to connect to it
Aug 08 16:11:57 <gargoyle_grin> Must be suspend.
Aug 08 16:12:20 <gargoyle_grin> But I can't get it to return to normal non-suspend mode after that.
Aug 08 16:12:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re0f38aa09f72 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (__init__.py modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): 
Aug 08 16:12:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: add result code for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendStoredMessage() thus making it fso-compliant.
Aug 08 16:12:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Thanks #openmoko-cdevel for spotting!
Aug 08 16:12:24 <zedstar_> there is some good motion detection software for the nokia tablet
Aug 08 16:12:24 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8e3b3c5bda36 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py: oeventsd: use public config module and use getValue submitting a default value.
Aug 08 16:12:33 <Torikun> mofi scans properly
Aug 08 16:12:35 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: here we are
Aug 08 16:12:36 <kd8ikt> "resume"?
Aug 08 16:12:45 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: thanks :-)
Aug 08 16:12:50 <mickeyl> :)
Aug 08 16:12:58 <kd8ikt> hola Ainulindale 
Aug 08 16:13:05 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: hey
Aug 08 16:13:11 <gargoyle_grin> Hrm?
Aug 08 16:13:13 <mickeyl> i need to see whether i can find out what else we can do with the transaction_index but just looking at it ;)
Aug 08 16:13:34 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Yes, because I don't know what's its use :-)
Aug 08 16:13:44 * kd8ikt boots 88
Aug 08 16:14:14 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: same here. need to read up on it. I hope I can send a signal like SentMessage(transaction_index) later
Aug 08 16:14:28 <mickeyl> so that we know when the SMS center has actually received the message
Aug 08 16:14:34 <mickeyl> what happens then is beyond our control ;)
Aug 08 16:14:46 <Chox> you get charged through the nose
Aug 08 16:14:47 <mickeyl> [API to request for SMS report will come later]
Aug 08 16:14:49 <Ainulindale> Yep :-)
Aug 08 16:14:50 <mickeyl> hahaha
Aug 08 16:14:50 <mickeyl> indeed
Aug 08 16:15:50 <gargoyle_grin> Crap.  I can't get it to not suspend, and I can't get it out of suspend after it's suspended.
Aug 08 16:16:28 <jopk> hi
Aug 08 16:17:33 <jopk> does opkg still work the same way on 2008.8? so can I install the "old" packages ?
Aug 08 16:17:45 <Kev_> so far, yes
Aug 08 16:21:36 <kd8ikt> whast with the doofy newage icons 
Aug 08 16:24:19 <kd8ikt> lol who's hostname is barbie
Aug 08 16:24:49 <Chox> lol, the word is "whose"
Aug 08 16:25:36 <gargoyle_grin> So, is the old three-tab interface gone for good?
Aug 08 16:25:41 <Chox> And I was all, like, lol, you know?
Aug 08 16:25:58 * Chox valley girls Dave.
Aug 08 16:26:23 <xhr17> omg, i screwed up my neo
Aug 08 16:26:32 <Chox> oh noes.
Aug 08 16:26:51 <Zorkman> is your neo female?
Aug 08 16:26:54 <xhr17> tried to change teh ringtone, and now none ov the the sounds work anymore.
Aug 08 16:27:13 <xhr17> in addition, teh buttons stopped working.
Aug 08 16:27:23 <Chox> sounds teh bad.
Aug 08 16:27:24 <xhr17> power / aux
Aug 08 16:27:34 <kd8ikt> ***FAIL***
Aug 08 16:27:46 <DaveLab> who screwed what now?
Aug 08 16:28:55 <xhr17> also, the taskbar icons/ menu thing are taking up two lines instead ov one.
Aug 08 16:29:08 <DaveLab> hot
Aug 08 16:29:12 <DaveLab> I wish mine did that.
Aug 08 16:29:34 <lindi-> cjb: hi, https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1244/0001-Fix-x-coord-of-input-when-rotated.patch modifies glamo.c but i can't find this anywhere on my org.openmoko.dev mokomakefile directory, has it been renamed?
Aug 08 16:29:37 <Chox> Dave: why is it so easy to make fun of people on IRC?
Aug 08 16:30:12 <xhr17> no, they are the same size as they used to be, and on the same sides, but the carrier name is one about 20px below the icons.
Aug 08 16:31:54 <DaveLab> Chox, noobs be plentiful here.
Aug 08 16:32:11 <Chox> not just noobs, it's the lolfanclub too.
Aug 08 16:32:12 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 16:32:24 <DaveLab> roflrunner?
Aug 08 16:32:48 <Chox> Well, you won't running much if YAFO
Aug 08 16:33:00 <DaveLab> you won't running much?
Aug 08 16:33:04 <DaveLab> YAFO?
Aug 08 16:33:12 <Chox> s/running/be running
Aug 08 16:33:19 <Chox> your arse falls off.
Aug 08 16:33:43 <Chox> as in, LMAO
Aug 08 16:34:00 <Chox> FreeArseRunner
Aug 08 16:34:29 <xhr17> yeah... so nobody has any ideas?
Aug 08 16:35:08 <tdobson> flash it?
Aug 08 16:35:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r20be0ea74a43 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane=srcrevs] update linux-openmoko to fetchable rev
Aug 08 16:35:11 <Flinx> Hello
Aug 08 16:35:14 <DaveLab> xhr, about your strange status bar issue?
Aug 08 16:35:19 <linuxxr> yea flash it
Aug 08 16:35:21 <DaveLab> tdobson, haha, you said it ;)
Aug 08 16:35:28 <Chox> flush it
Aug 08 16:35:58 <Flinx> I need a recommendation.
Aug 08 16:36:15 <linuxxr> o8o8o8
Aug 08 16:36:20 * tdobson is currently flashing to qtopia after he accidently installed some qtopia stuff and had parts of qpe trying to run over openmoko. not so nice...
Aug 08 16:36:23 <Flinx> Actually.. I lied.
Aug 08 16:36:32 <Chox> Flinx: that's my line.
Aug 08 16:36:34 <tdobson> Flinx: tut tut :P
Aug 08 16:36:34 <Flinx> is GPS built into the FreeRunner?
Aug 08 16:36:40 <xt> yes
Aug 08 16:36:40 <tdobson> yes
Aug 08 16:36:48 <tdobson> why
Aug 08 16:36:48 <Flinx> hrm..
Aug 08 16:36:48 <Chox> how would it not be?
Aug 08 16:36:49 <lindi-> rwhitby: after mokomakefile build of org.openmoko.dev I don't see glamo.c anywhere but it built X successfully, did it download binaries from net or did it remove sources after build?
Aug 08 16:37:00 <Flinx> I duno
Aug 08 16:37:06 * DaveLab hides his gun
Aug 08 16:37:17 <Flinx> I heard someone a while ago saying that you can get pluggable GPS modules >.>
Aug 08 16:37:22 <Flinx> so I got confused :p
Aug 08 16:37:23 <Chox> Dave: dammit, stop forcing people to use Vista
Aug 08 16:37:32 <DaveLab> bah
Aug 08 16:37:34 <brian_252> Has anyone flashed the boot loader and got this message "End of write exceeds parition end"?
Aug 08 16:37:41 <DaveLab> oh yeah
Aug 08 16:37:56 <Chox> brian_252: bet you flashed to the wrong partition
Aug 08 16:38:10 <Chox> that's a dumb ass message though
Aug 08 16:38:15 <brian_252> I was doing this
Aug 08 16:38:16 <xhr17> that is lame, i am not going to flash my device because i fucked up changing a stupid text file.
Aug 08 16:38:19 <brian_252> dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin
Aug 08 16:38:26 <Flinx> Kay. I leave y'all alone now ;)
Aug 08 16:38:34 <brian_252> With the image from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/
Aug 08 16:38:41 <Chox> xhrit: demand retribution in blood.
Aug 08 16:38:50 <xmpp> i'd like to have dzen or xmonad instead of this unreliable status bar
Aug 08 16:38:52 <Chox> er, xhr17
Aug 08 16:38:54 <xhr17> it is not even like i fucked up the text file, i did exactly what the docs said.
Aug 08 16:38:55 <tdobson> xhr17: you could try opening up a om image and copying the text files you changed across...
Aug 08 16:39:26 <xmpp> *xmobar
Aug 08 16:40:06 <xhr17> i just copied and pasted, commented out the ringtone line, and changed to point to the .wav on my card.
Aug 08 16:40:44 <xhr17> to change back, i just removed teh line and uncommented the unmodified line.
Aug 08 16:42:38 <ieatlint> brian_252, there is no uboot image at that link
Aug 08 16:42:49 <brian_252> ieatlint: Ah thanks.
Aug 08 16:43:32 <xhr17> also, i get battery critical low messages for no reason when teh phone is plugged in.
Aug 08 16:44:36 <tdobson> how do you get qtopia to give you a keyboard
Aug 08 16:44:48 <tdobson> ah. it does
Aug 08 16:44:53 <tdobson> *doesn't
Aug 08 16:44:54 <The_D0ct0r> Hey, i downloaded the ASU, but the qwerty keyboard, doesn't shows the button for the 'Terminal' and 'Numbers' keyboards. Is that normal?
Aug 08 16:44:55 <tdobson> handwriting
Aug 08 16:46:46 <xhr17> sigh.
Aug 08 16:47:05 <The_D0ct0r> anyone?
Aug 08 16:47:10 <xhr17> so if i am going to flash, should i do 2007.2 or 2008.8?
Aug 08 16:47:26 <tdobson> xhr17: I would say 2007
Aug 08 16:47:31 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 16:47:32 <cjb> lindi-: Hi, no idea about your glamo.c question.
Aug 08 16:47:37 <tdobson> but you might as well do 1008 to see what it looks like
Aug 08 16:47:44 <tdobson> or qtopia if you haven't tried it yet
Aug 08 16:48:08 <gargoyle_grin> Is there a way to get the terminal on 2008.08?
Aug 08 16:48:28 <The_D0ct0r> get in it with ssh
Aug 08 16:48:33 <The_D0ct0r> and opkg install openmoko-terminal2
Aug 08 16:48:56 <lindi-> cjb: ok
Aug 08 16:48:56 <gargoyle_grin> Oh wow.  It's not installed by default in 2008.08?  That's a bit lame.
Aug 08 16:49:02 <The_D0ct0r> yep
Aug 08 16:49:16 <lindi-> cjb: but in general, mokomakefile can fetch sources, compile them and then remove the sources?
Aug 08 16:49:53 <cjb> okay, then how do you connect to wifi with 2008.08?
Aug 08 16:49:56 <lindi-> cjb: hmm, just found the sources
Aug 08 16:49:57 <froksen> Does any of you in here use the Freerunner as their primary phone?
Aug 08 16:50:01 <The_D0ct0r> yep me
Aug 08 16:50:03 <lindi-> cjb: no problem :)
Aug 08 16:50:12 <cjb> lindi-: yes, I think there's an option for whether to keep the "work/" directory around after building
Aug 08 16:50:12 <gargoyle_grin> I do.
Aug 08 16:50:16 <The_D0ct0r> wifi:
Aug 08 16:50:16 <cjb> froksen: trying to
Aug 08 16:50:20 <froksen> Just wondering if it was possible :-)
Aug 08 16:50:39 <The_D0ct0r> ifconfig eth0 up && iwconfig eth0 essid YourNetworkName && udhcpc
Aug 08 16:50:40 <froksen> cjb: Having any problems?
Aug 08 16:50:44 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 16:50:45 <The_D0ct0r> if it is unencrypted
Aug 08 16:50:56 <gargoyle_grin> Though, what I'm seeing so far with 2008.08 isn't making me happy.
Aug 08 16:50:57 <froksen> gargoyle_grin: Same question 
Aug 08 16:50:59 <gargoyle_grin> Yet.
Aug 08 16:51:08 <cjb> The_D0ct0r: those instructions fail
Aug 08 16:51:14 <cjb> because I don't have a terminal :)
Aug 08 16:51:21 <The_D0ct0r> waha lame
Aug 08 16:51:24 <cjb> "how do I get a terminal?"
Aug 08 16:51:27 <The_D0ct0r> then connect using usb?
Aug 08 16:51:29 <cjb> "well, you download ir"
Aug 08 16:51:34 <cjb> "okay, how do I get online?"
Aug 08 16:51:38 <cjb> "well, you type in the terminal"
Aug 08 16:51:38 <The_D0ct0r> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
Aug 08 16:51:40 <gargoyle_grin> Well, in 2007.2 I did have problems from time to time.  Had to reflash it once or twice.
Aug 08 16:51:43 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 08 16:51:48 <cjb> all aboard the failboat
Aug 08 16:51:53 <The_D0ct0r> huh
Aug 08 16:51:54 <Chox> hopefully no one's screwed up that page too much since I did it.
Aug 08 16:51:54 <gargoyle_grin> It would fail to boot for no real reason.
Aug 08 16:52:08 <gargoyle_grin> "Empty flash" errors and then *fail*.
Aug 08 16:52:17 <The_D0ct0r> if you can't connect using usb, try disconnecting your real network connection, and then ssh root@192.168.0.200
Aug 08 16:52:18 <kd8ikt> wrong image
Aug 08 16:52:47 <The_D0ct0r> (on your pc)
Aug 08 16:53:13 <xhr17> so is qtopia more feature rich/ stable?
Aug 08 16:53:28 <Chox> no, just more annoying
Aug 08 16:53:42 <cjb> yeah, I'm not liking qtopia much
Aug 08 16:53:47 <cjb> FSO was better
Aug 08 16:53:55 <cjb> did FSO run qtopia stuff?
Aug 08 16:54:06 <Chox> burp.
Aug 08 16:56:21 * DaveLab beats cjb with 20080808
Aug 08 16:57:02 <_Da_Flo_> hallihall
Aug 08 16:57:11 <_Da_Flo_> hallihallo
Aug 08 16:57:11 <DaveLab> heil!
Aug 08 16:57:29 <DaveLab> Duitsers ~_~
Aug 08 16:57:47 <_Da_Flo_> ja was bist du denn für eine schnecke?
Aug 08 16:57:56 <DaveLab> -_-;
Aug 08 16:58:01 <The_D0ct0r> haha @dave
Aug 08 16:58:26 <spdr> fetch-pack from 'git://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git' failed.
Aug 08 16:58:26 <spdr> help, anyone?
Aug 08 16:58:30 <DaveLab> jajaja
Aug 08 16:58:40 <DaveLab> dwaze
Aug 08 16:58:45 <Blalien> DaveLab: Ja die heb je ook he
Aug 08 16:58:52 <Chox> who gives a pansy
Aug 08 16:59:05 <spdr> nobody?
Aug 08 16:59:15 <DaveLab> :D
Aug 08 16:59:21 <DaveLab> ahahah
Aug 08 16:59:42 <koenigjm> do I need to flash a new kernel prior to upgrading to 2008.8?  or do I just need to flash the two files found on the download page?
Aug 08 17:00:11 <xhr17> screw this. I think i will try to install slackware on my neo.
Aug 08 17:00:22 <linuxxr> lol
Aug 08 17:00:22 <Chox> goodluckwiththat
Aug 08 17:00:24 <cjb> koenigjm: One of the two files on the download page is a new kernel.
Aug 08 17:00:28 <linuxxr> yea slkackware
Aug 08 17:00:32 <Chox> ricers.
Aug 08 17:00:36 <koenigjm> netbsd...it is supposed to run well on everything ;)
Aug 08 17:00:49 <DaveLab> pesky ricers
Aug 08 17:00:58 <Chox> BSD will be a lot more effort.
Aug 08 17:01:04 <linuxxr>  so i have fso   an it works ok
Aug 08 17:01:05 * DaveLab gives Chox some of his pizza
Aug 08 17:01:06 <ieatlint> how about beos? :P
Aug 08 17:01:16 <Chox> BeOS will probably be impossible
Aug 08 17:01:23 <koenigjm> ah, so the kernel is the uImage?
Aug 08 17:01:24 <linuxxr> silly hacker
Aug 08 17:01:25 <ieatlint> yeah, i'm just teasing
Aug 08 17:01:34 <ieatlint> beos is binary... haiku is x86 only
Aug 08 17:01:36 <Chox> I noes.
Aug 08 17:01:51 <DaveLab> leinir!
Aug 08 17:01:52 <DaveLab> :o
Aug 08 17:01:56 <Chox> lei!
Aug 08 17:02:01 * DaveLab runs
Aug 08 17:02:01 <xhr17> i cant flash my neo - my pwoer button doesnt work.
Aug 08 17:02:07 <The_D0ct0r> Does anyone knows how i get the number-keyboard back? I can't even enter my pin-code!
Aug 08 17:02:10 <Chox> oh noes.
Aug 08 17:02:19 <Blalien> Uhmmm how do I enter my sim pin in 2008.8?
Aug 08 17:02:22 <DaveLab> doctor: multitap-pad
Aug 08 17:02:26 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 17:02:28 <The_D0ct0r> thx
Aug 08 17:02:53 <ieatlint> oh nice, fso has gprs working properly
Aug 08 17:03:07 <The_D0ct0r> but the previous asu's had a number and a terminal keyboard included.. is it gone?
Aug 08 17:03:07 <ieatlint> can enable/disable it, and receive phone calls while using data
Aug 08 17:03:37 <ieatlint> if i could buy those germans some pizza and beer... i would
Aug 08 17:03:41 <koenigjm> really??  last I heard FSO was only good at making calls ;)
Aug 08 17:03:52 <ieatlint> koenigjm, that was milestone1
Aug 08 17:04:11 <Torikun> When will be the next openmoko-qtopia-x11 release?
Aug 08 17:04:33 <ieatlint> right now it is using illume (just like 2008.8), and you can run any x/gtk app on it, with zhone supporting sms, contacts and a simplistic gps app
Aug 08 17:04:47 <xhr17> omg, this sucks.
Aug 08 17:04:49 <ieatlint> Torikun, that's called 2008.8 now
Aug 08 17:04:54 <Chox> omg, omg.
Aug 08 17:05:08 <xeros> tak rzucilem linkiem, bo ktos na #qtopia napisal, ze jest 'fresh qtopia image'
Aug 08 17:05:20 <xeros> sorry
Aug 08 17:05:24 <xhr17> time to sell my neo on ebay.
Aug 08 17:05:25 <xeros> not this channel
Aug 08 17:05:25 <xhr17> :(
Aug 08 17:05:28 <Torikun> when willl the next one be releases ieatlint
Aug 08 17:05:32 <Blalien> I onle see a qwert layout when I need to enter the sim pin...
Aug 08 17:05:39 <zogs> fso don't have gta02 rootfs
Aug 08 17:05:46 <ieatlint> well, 2008.8 was just released today
Aug 08 17:05:52 <Chox> xhr17: that's right, come in here, something minor doesn't work in a development product, don't let anyone help you and insist it all sucks.
Aug 08 17:07:40 <xhr17> oh, i am sorry. i guess i should have tried harder to let someone help me.
Aug 08 17:08:29 <The_D0ct0r> multitap pad doesn't work
Aug 08 17:08:36 <xhr17> or is 'reflash your phone' enough help for anything?
Aug 08 17:08:50 <The_D0ct0r> is there anyone who made it to enter his pin code in the 200808?
Aug 08 17:08:57 <zogs> slide
Aug 08 17:08:59 <xhr17> great, just liek windows - if something doesnt work, just reinstall everything!
Aug 08 17:09:02 <zogs> read topic
Aug 08 17:09:12 <Chox> reflashing is a dummy proof method of returning to the default.  it may not always be convinient, however.
Aug 08 17:09:18 <cjb> huh, I get "cannot contact repository" in the installer app
Aug 08 17:09:24 <cjb> even though I'm online
Aug 08 17:09:25 <Chox> xhrit: the comparison is flawed.
Aug 08 17:09:28 <Blalien> Did someone succesfully enter there sim pin in 2008.8?
Aug 08 17:09:33 <xeros> btw. wouldn't you mind if I'll advertise Polish #openmoko.pl channel here for people from Poland? Thanks
Aug 08 17:09:43 <Chox> xhr17: the comparison if flawed.  and hyperbole isn't helping anytihng.
Aug 08 17:09:46 <Chox> er, is
Aug 08 17:09:49 <Zorkman> quick question: anybody know the sollution when you can't connect the phone through usb? it is no longer detected...
Aug 08 17:09:50 <zogs> fuck om2008.8... gsm don't work 
Aug 08 17:09:53 <Zorkman> (using 2008.8)
Aug 08 17:11:27 <linuxxr> xhr wat is it?
Aug 08 17:12:31 * cjb is officially sick of 2008.8 already too.  FSO never looked so good.  :)
Aug 08 17:12:33 <Torikun> 200808 WORKS great except for wifi
Aug 08 17:12:53 <Torikun> What is the easiest way to upgrade to future releases? opkg upgrade?
Aug 08 17:12:56 <The_D0ct0r> @Torikun how did you manage to enter your PIN code then?
Aug 08 17:13:09 <Torikun> The_D0ct0r: What pin code
Aug 08 17:13:22 <The_D0ct0r> @Torikun SIM pin?
Aug 08 17:13:28 <Torikun> I do not have one
Aug 08 17:13:32 <Torikun> my sim is plug and paly
Aug 08 17:13:34 <Torikun> *play
Aug 08 17:13:41 <The_D0ct0r> Ok
Aug 08 17:14:37 <ieatlint> this is one of those truly awesome news headlines "Grandma arrested for driving with child on roof"
Aug 08 17:15:00 <Chox> why was the gradma driving from the roof?
Aug 08 17:15:05 <Chox> grandma
Aug 08 17:15:09 <lindi-> any idea how can i access files inside http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.xglamo.git.tar.gz? do i need to unpack this git repository somehow?
Aug 08 17:15:10 <ieatlint> "Authorities say the woman told police she was giving the child some air and letting her have fun."
Aug 08 17:15:15 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:15:19 <Torikun> sounds like Ms.Spears
Aug 08 17:15:20 <Chox> (lol)
Aug 08 17:15:27 <ieatlint> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/07/national/a123555D08.DTL
Aug 08 17:15:43 <ieatlint> pure genius...
Aug 08 17:15:51 <Blalien> the keyboard in 2008.8 is nice but it misses a lot of features...
Aug 08 17:15:59 <mwester> Sigh.  Too bad we don't let natural selection work these days.
Aug 08 17:16:11 <Torikun> Blyou have to install them
Aug 08 17:16:39 <Blalien> Torikun: Ahh ok, I will have a look then. Thanks.
Aug 08 17:16:51 <vpv> I can't get the PIN dialog to show up either, but hey, who actually wants to make phone calls with a phone anyway ;)
Aug 08 17:16:55 <Torikun> i got pidgin on there
Aug 08 17:17:07 <Chox> (lol)
Aug 08 17:17:53 <DPThought> ieatlint: we did this too as kids. *g* But through the sunroof with the feets secure inside and low speed. :)
Aug 08 17:18:02 <Chox> feets!
Aug 08 17:18:05 <Chox> like sheeps
Aug 08 17:18:20 <ieatlint> Chox, leave my feats alone
Aug 08 17:18:29 <Chox> great feats of feets
Aug 08 17:20:05 <mike--2> does anyone know of a way to edit the contacts via command line in 2007.2
Aug 08 17:20:28 <lindi-> mike--2: grep -r $some_contact /home/root?
Aug 08 17:21:32 <mike--2> well... i know they're stored in an evolution database in  /home/root/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db
Aug 08 17:21:42 <mike--2> there's one in there that's (null) that i'm trying to delete
Aug 08 17:21:54 <DPThought> mike--2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts no ready solution but probably the best hint
Aug 08 17:22:12 <Torikun> lol irc on openmoko is cool
Aug 08 17:22:24 <Toriku1> yo
Aug 08 17:22:26 <Chox> lol it's not lol, lol
Aug 08 17:22:30 <Toriku1> lol
Aug 08 17:22:41 * Chox stabs Torikul
Aug 08 17:22:41 <Torikun> Toriku1 is my phone
Aug 08 17:22:42 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:23:04 <Chox> sigh
Aug 08 17:23:04 <mike--2> DPThought: thanks!
Aug 08 17:23:07 <Chox> lolosers
Aug 08 17:23:48 <Torikun> now I need a web browser that fucking works
Aug 08 17:23:56 <Chox> goodluckwiththat
Aug 08 17:24:02 <Torikun> there was firefox for it
Aug 08 17:24:14 <Chox> troo
Aug 08 17:24:24 <Chox> but for "works", YMMV
Aug 08 17:24:25 <Torikun> ok browser works
Aug 08 17:27:05 <lindi-> cjb: touchscreen seems to work here just fine when rotated (at 480x640) but i just verified that i don't have https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1244/0001-Fix-x-coord-of-input-when-rotated.patch applied. any idea how that can be?
Aug 08 17:27:52 <Torikun> Gmail works !
Aug 08 17:28:20 <Chox> why is that a good thing?
Aug 08 17:28:26 <lindi-> i haven't found gmail source code yet :)
Aug 08 17:28:28 <mike--2> lindi-: what are you running?  I think that patch only applies to 2007.2 
Aug 08 17:28:42 <lindi-> mike--2: org.openmoko.dev
Aug 08 17:28:54 <lindi-> mike--2: with mokomakefile
Aug 08 17:29:00 <mike--2> heh, :) beats me
Aug 08 17:29:44 <Torikun> WHo got wireless working on the 20080808?
Aug 08 17:30:02 <tschuder> I didn't even get usb-net working..
Aug 08 17:30:10 <Torikun> want my script/
Aug 08 17:30:43 <lindi-> Torikun: how did you compile it?
Aug 08 17:30:49 <Torikun> compile what
Aug 08 17:30:54 <lindi-> Torikun: 20080808
Aug 08 17:30:57 <Torikun> image
Aug 08 17:31:10 <lindi-> Torikun: blah :(
Aug 08 17:31:23 <Pyrasi> i have never tried FSO....but i was looking through a review of it and saw screen shots that had it looking alot like ASU....and it appeared you could run gtk apps on it fine....is this true?  If so....is there some reason I wouldnt want to switch over to FSO? 
Aug 08 17:32:02 <Torikun> The new image is really nice
Aug 08 17:32:18 <Torikun> you should enable http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
Aug 08 17:32:21 <lindi-> Torikun: but images that can't be compiled are horrible ;)
Aug 08 17:32:22 <Torikun> for Scardycat
Aug 08 17:34:35 <tschuder> Question: I've allways got the small "flash" icon in the right upper corner, even if I remove the USB connection. This isn't normal is it?
Aug 08 17:34:57 <Torikun> What is the latest kernel in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/  ?? I am confuses
Aug 08 17:35:34 <bieber> If anyone wouldn't mind helping, I'm having a little bit of a problem trying to install the 2008.8 image they just released.  The bootloader seems to be complaining about a bad checksum or something (if I boot from the flash screen: if I just start it up normally, it hangs on the OM logo)
Aug 08 17:35:43 <bieber> Do I need to update the bootloader or somesuch?
Aug 08 17:36:23 <tschuder> bieber, I would try to update the bootloader also
Aug 08 17:36:28 <mmontour> bieber: that sounds like a problem with the kernel - try re-flashing it with dfu-util
Aug 08 17:36:51 <bieber> I've reflashed and re-downloaded thrice now, kernel and root filesystem
Aug 08 17:37:06 <bieber> There hasn't been an update to dfu-util, has there?  I think I last downloaded that over a month ago...
Aug 08 17:38:35 <bmidgley> can someone with a freerunner run "lsusb"
Aug 08 17:38:44 <bmidgley> and tell me if the bluetooth adapter is in the list?
Aug 08 17:38:53 <mbuf> bmidgley, yes
Aug 08 17:38:56 <lindi-> bmidgley: it isn't here
Aug 08 17:39:06 <mmontour> I haven't seen any recent updates to dfu-util. Try flashing the kernel again and then 'pastebin' the output so that we can make sure it looks normal
Aug 08 17:39:09 <XorA> it will only be there if you turn it on
Aug 08 17:39:22 <bmidgley> oh yeah, turn it on first :)
Aug 08 17:39:34 <Torikun> how long does it take usually to backup rootfs
Aug 08 17:39:45 <bmidgley> I want to know if they moved it from usb to a uart connection
Aug 08 17:39:56 <bieber> Okay, now I'm getting a No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
Aug 08 17:39:56 <bieber>  error upon trying to flash
Aug 08 17:40:18 <XorA> bieber: using a hub?
Aug 08 17:40:20 <mjr> bmidgley, did not
Aug 08 17:40:21 <mmontour> Try running the command again - sometimes it fails on the first attempt
Aug 08 17:41:01 <bieber> Okay, I reset fixed that
Aug 08 17:41:42 <bieber> I did just find that Om2008.8.uImage.bin and Om2008.8-gta02-200808.uImage.bin have different md5sums: is this just because of filenames, or is there something different about them?
Aug 08 17:41:50 <bmidgley> ok... changing it to a uart connection might have explained a2dp issues
Aug 08 17:41:55 <bmidgley> I guess it's somewhere else
Aug 08 17:42:08 <tdobson> can the free runner cope with microSDHC cards?
Aug 08 17:42:13 <bmidgley> ^to a *slow* uart connection^
Aug 08 17:42:18 <tdobson> ie 8gb microsc cards
Aug 08 17:42:19 <kd8ikt> ok what the fudge my sd card is crapping out
Aug 08 17:42:46 <kd8ikt> input output errors left and right
Aug 08 17:43:42 <mmontour> bieber: they're the same file (one is probably a symlink to the other) - looks like you got a bad download. md5sum here is f5a0e045ec9a2f0f08513fffc14b362e
Aug 08 17:44:10 <Pyrasi> tbodson: yes 
Aug 08 17:44:13 <Pyrasi> I use one 
Aug 08 17:44:28 <bieber> That's weird: for some reason the download was apparently corrupted for me when using the symlink :/
Aug 08 17:44:44 <TeNoVi> How can I get the freerunner (standard Operating system) to see the swap file on the microsd card?
Aug 08 17:44:47 <bieber> The kernel seems to be okay now, but I'm getting a terminal screen full of errors: could I see the rootfs md5sum?
Aug 08 17:45:19 <mmontour> TeNoVi: put an entry into /etc/fstab (or manually use "mkswap" and "swapon" commands)
Aug 08 17:45:44 <TeNoVi> Thanks
Aug 08 17:45:57 <brian|lfs> my fine finally decided to turn on it only took letting it sit plugged in around 20 hours
Aug 08 17:46:18 <ssweeny> does anyone on 2008.8 have their microsd card mounted properly?
Aug 08 17:46:28 <koenigjm> in 2008.8 does the screen just go black during use for anyone else?
Aug 08 17:46:46 <brian|lfs> I'm probably going to go ahead and ordered the kit witht he 2 batteries and stuff
Aug 08 17:47:03 <TeNoVi> koenigjm: When I tried, it went into black during use.
Aug 08 17:47:29 <koenigjm> huh...it comes back when you hit the power button
Aug 08 17:47:32 <koenigjm> standby mode?
Aug 08 17:47:46 <TeNoVi> Now I have moved back to the standard image that came with the freerunner. I'll wait a little untill it gets more stable.
Aug 08 17:47:57 <koenigjm> ooo, and messages works for me now
Aug 08 17:48:18 <TeNoVi> koenigjm: If you enter "settings" you can define how soon it is going in suspend
Aug 08 17:48:37 <gargoyle_grin> And switch it to "NEVAR!"
Aug 08 17:48:43 <TeNoVi> hehe.
Aug 08 17:49:09 * Torikun wants warranty with his free software.........
Aug 08 17:49:32 <gargoyle_grin> I void warranties.
Aug 08 17:49:36 <Torikun> lol me 2
Aug 08 17:49:37 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:50:30 <gargoyle_grin> Homebrew on my Wii, homebrew on my DS, hacked my old MotoRAZR before I got my Freerunner.
Aug 08 17:50:31 <jadams_> anyone running 2008.08 on a neo?
Aug 08 17:50:40 <Torikun> Yes
Aug 08 17:50:46 <jadams_> does locations work?
Aug 08 17:50:50 <Torikun> Locations?
Aug 08 17:50:52 <Torikun> Have not checked
Aug 08 17:51:01 <Torikun> Does wifi work?
Aug 08 17:51:08 <jadams_> I'm waiting on my battery to charge for a bit before I install
Aug 08 17:51:12 <jadams_> but there's no wifi on the neo
Aug 08 17:51:15 <jadams_> so no
Aug 08 17:51:16 <jadams_> :)
Aug 08 17:51:17 <Torikun> free runner?
Aug 08 17:51:24 <jadams_> I don't have a freerunner, but yeah it works
Aug 08 17:51:28 <Torikun> oh
Aug 08 17:51:30 <Torikun> oops
Aug 08 17:51:50 * Torikun forgets there are multiple neos in the matrix
Aug 08 17:53:03 <koenigjm> Wifi works, though the settings page for wifi doesn't seem to do anything
Aug 08 17:53:07 <jadams_> FreeRunner isn't a neo, is it?
Aug 08 17:53:15 <Pyrasi> neo freerunner 
Aug 08 17:53:16 <jadams_> does 2008.8 have a good gprs setup helper?
Aug 08 17:53:19 <jadams_> ahh
Aug 08 17:53:28 <jadams_> that explains why my question was ambiguous
Aug 08 17:54:11 <XorA> Neo1973 is GTA01 FreeRunner is GTA02
Aug 08 17:54:30 <jadams_> XorA, ok, fine, I was right
Aug 08 17:56:11 <ieatlint> ok, i've telephony, sms, gprs with minimo all working... it feels like i have a real phone!
Aug 08 17:56:20 <Torikun> ieatlint: What about wifi
Aug 08 17:56:26 <ieatlint> yeah, wifi too
Aug 08 17:56:30 <Torikun> what distro
Aug 08 17:56:33 <ieatlint> fso
Aug 08 17:56:47 <Torikun> hmmm.fso everything works?
Aug 08 17:56:59 <ieatlint> well, the framework supports it all
Aug 08 17:57:11 <ieatlint> the provided gui doesn't...
Aug 08 17:57:15 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:57:20 <Torikun> nm then
Aug 08 17:57:39 <ieatlint> i've it all working on  a command line, i just need to throw a gui together, which if i weren't so lazy would take ~15min
Aug 08 17:57:41 <Torikun> 20080808 works perfectly except for wifi so far
Aug 08 17:58:25 <Tanuva> is this 08 image this asu "release"?
Aug 08 17:58:42 <ieatlint> asu is now know as 2008.8
Aug 08 17:58:44 <Torikun> Yes
Aug 08 17:58:58 <Tanuva> ah. *startin download*
Aug 08 17:59:06 <gargoyle_grin> Wow.  Lucky Torikun.
Aug 08 17:59:16 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:59:21 <gargoyle_grin> I'm having trouble with both suspend and lock.
Aug 08 17:59:25 <Torikun> I got pidgin working 2
Aug 08 17:59:26 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 17:59:38 <gargoyle_grin> I can suspend, and lock, but I can't bring it out of suspend, or unlock the screen
Aug 08 17:59:43 <ieatlint> how does 2008.8 work with receiving phone calls whilst suspended?
Aug 08 17:59:45 <Torikun> did you press power gargoyle_grin
Aug 08 17:59:56 <Torikun> ieatlint: I receive phone calls when it is suspended
Aug 08 18:00:10 <ieatlint> and gprs is supported now as well?
Aug 08 18:00:19 <gargoyle_grin> When I press power, the screen goes blank (I assume that's suspend.)  Nothing I press after that does anything as far as I can see.
Aug 08 18:00:26 <ieatlint> where you can still receive calls when gprs is active..
Aug 08 18:01:04 <gargoyle_grin> Power, aux, tapping the screen, holding aux, shaking vigorously, demonstrating, placing in a Blendtek Blender and pressing "puree."
Aug 08 18:01:08 <gargoyle_grin> All do nothing.
Aug 08 18:01:14 <Jokernathan> hello everyone
Aug 08 18:01:23 <gargoyle_grin> Holding power, however, turns it off, and I can then boot it back up.
Aug 08 18:01:57 <Torikun> I press power once and it awakes
Aug 08 18:02:06 <gargoyle_grin> I did that.  It didn't awake.
Aug 08 18:02:10 <Jokernathan> i have a big problem, I just flash my neo with th Om 2008.8 and i can't find where to change the keyboard !
Aug 08 18:02:24 <Torikun> it is the icon top right of kb
Aug 08 18:02:33 <Torikun> you can change it to terminal or 2 other choices
Aug 08 18:02:40 <Jokernathan> i only have the keyboard without number so i can't enter my pin code
Aug 08 18:02:41 <Torikun> icon is an a i think
Aug 08 18:02:56 <cjb> bah, I think I'm ready to give up on 2008.08 for a few months
Aug 08 18:03:08 <Torikun> cjb: Qtopia is pretty stable, try that
Aug 08 18:03:11 <cjb> what's the state of FSO?  Does openmoko pay people to work on it?
Aug 08 18:03:18 <cjb> or is it all community?
Aug 08 18:03:46 <abraxa_> cjb: Good. Yes. No.
Aug 08 18:04:05 <Torikun> Will there be a 20080809 today?
Aug 08 18:04:54 <Jokernathan> i can't see any icon on the top right of the kb :-S
Aug 08 18:05:02 <Torikun> sine there is a daily build 
Aug 08 18:05:28 <TeNoVi> Alright. I have a swap partition in my microsd. I have understand that I need to enter something into fstab. But what partition name will that be? I don't know how to find the partition names :S
Aug 08 18:05:28 <cjb> Agrajag-: ok!  I'll run that, then.
Aug 08 18:05:46 <Torikun> is swap needed TeNoVi
Aug 08 18:06:02 <Torikun> What are the benefits
Aug 08 18:06:33 <TeNoVi> I had like to test it. When I used it on the 2008.8 (It did automaticly work) it ran much faster
Aug 08 18:06:38 <Torikun> type /dev/partition name swap defaults 0 0  in fstab then swapon partition
Aug 08 18:06:45 <kd8ikt> crap dude
Aug 08 18:07:04 <kd8ikt> .err kernel: mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
Aug 08 18:07:05 <TeNoVi> But I don't know the partition name :S
Aug 08 18:07:11 <Torikun> fdisk -l
Aug 08 18:07:17 <Torikun> cat /proc/partitions
Aug 08 18:08:07 <TeNoVi> major minor  #blocks  name
Aug 08 18:08:07 <TeNoVi>   31     0       2048 mtdblock0
Aug 08 18:08:07 <TeNoVi>   31     1        256 mtdblock1
Aug 08 18:08:07 <TeNoVi>   31     2        256 mtdblock2
Aug 08 18:08:07 <TeNoVi>   31     3       8192 mtdblock3
Aug 08 18:08:10 <TeNoVi>   31     4        640 mtdblock4
Aug 08 18:08:12 <TeNoVi>   31     5        256 mtdblock5
Aug 08 18:08:15 <TeNoVi>   31     6     252544 mtdblock6
Aug 08 18:08:15 <kd8ikt> dont do that
Aug 08 18:08:17 <TeNoVi>  179     0     992000 mmcblk0
Aug 08 18:08:20 <TeNoVi>  179     1     265041 mmcblk0p1
Aug 08 18:08:25 <kd8ikt> ever
Aug 08 18:08:31 <ieatlint> pastebin, man
Aug 08 18:08:34 <kd8ikt>  again
Aug 08 18:08:43 <TeNoVi> ...
Aug 08 18:10:25 <bieber> Is power button supposed to bring 200808 out of standby?
Aug 08 18:10:41 <Torikun> yes
Aug 08 18:11:13 <bieber> Hmm
Aug 08 18:11:19 <bieber> Looks like I've gotten it to freeze up already
Aug 08 18:12:08 <Pyrasi>  can anyone tell me their impressions of the milestone 2 FSO?
Aug 08 18:12:12 <Pyrasi>  Better than ASU?
Aug 08 18:12:26 <Jokernathan> After 30 minutes under Om 2008.8 i already missed Qtopia :(
Aug 08 18:12:39 <cjb> Jokernathan: you lasted 30 minutes?  :)
Aug 08 18:12:48 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: not yet
Aug 08 18:12:57 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: (better)
Aug 08 18:13:08 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: but quite usable ifyou only want simple phone and sms
Aug 08 18:13:56 <Pyrasi>  well it looked like on the Kevin Dean review that it had illume and therefore could run all gtk apps and such.....
Aug 08 18:13:57 <cjb> Are there daily FSO images that can be downloaded?
Aug 08 18:14:05 <Pyrasi>  and if thats the case, is there really anything else missing?
Aug 08 18:14:26 <Tanuva> cjb: no
Aug 08 18:14:31 <Tanuva> no dailies
Aug 08 18:14:38 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: yes, illume's there
Aug 08 18:14:43 <kd8ikt> its like my card doesnt like to be partitioned
Aug 08 18:15:08 <Pyrasi>  Tanuva: and suspend/resume works...yes?
Aug 08 18:15:20 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: "missing"... zhone and the backend is quite stable (=usable), but everything else is as in the gtk- or 2008.8-stacks, because it's the same software
Aug 08 18:15:40 <Tanuva> Pyrasi: workED for me, atm it suspends but doesn't wake up... just flashed 8.8
Aug 08 18:15:44 <kd8ikt> oh wow i think i found a flaw in dropbear
Aug 08 18:16:20 <kd8ikt> a serious flaw
Aug 08 18:16:24 <jadams_> I can't even boot my dang neo
Aug 08 18:16:53 <jadams_> battery "take out for thirty seconds, plug in for an hour, then turn on" situation gets old... :(
Aug 08 18:16:56 * mwester remembers that he was going to make a note to replace dropbear with openssh for the SHR image.
Aug 08 18:17:06 <kd8ikt> can anyone try this to confim it?
Aug 08 18:17:17 <jadams_> mwester, great, I hate dropbear
Aug 08 18:17:19 <jadams_> :
Aug 08 18:17:21 <jadams_> :) even
Aug 08 18:17:27 <cjb> ah, but there's at least the milestone 2 download.  are there repos that I can update from after running that?
Aug 08 18:17:34 <kd8ikt> change the password to something and login with a realy long password
Aug 08 18:18:51 <Tanuva> cjb: mickey said there will only be updates if there are serious changes
Aug 08 18:18:53 <Dave> mwester :)
Aug 08 18:18:57 <Dave> That would be nice.
Aug 08 18:19:16 <cjb> Tanuva: oh.  so each developer's supposed to build it with mokomakefile every day, if they want to help?
Aug 08 18:19:36 <cjb> that sounds like it doesn't build a very good dev community
Aug 08 18:19:48 <Tanuva> cjb: ask mickey about it, that's what I know
Aug 08 18:19:56 <cjb> righto, thanks
Aug 08 18:21:16 <koenigjm> anyone know a wifi gui that would work on 2008.8
Aug 08 18:21:30 <koenigjm> ?
Aug 08 18:21:59 <koenigjm> oh wait...there is a nice gui repo viewer now...:P
Aug 08 18:22:03 <koenigjm> sorry silly question
Aug 08 18:24:21 <jadams_> I'm eager for SHR.  I loved FSO, and I'm worried that I'll get sad when I see 2008.8 or that it won't live up to my expectations post-FSO
Aug 08 18:26:13 <cjb> 2008.8 seems, bluntly, pretty awful.
Aug 08 18:26:18 <cjb> sorry, 2008.8 people.
Aug 08 18:26:26 <Torikun> it is working for me
Aug 08 18:27:25 <cjb> crashes while resuming for me, the GSM dialer took about 30 seconds to respond to me hitting keys, I got online (which I had to do over USB, because there's no terminal or wifi applet) and then the repo viewer didn't find any repositories.
Aug 08 18:28:06 <cjb> the crashing while resuming thing seems like the biggest blocker.  being ridiculously slow is almost a blocker.
Aug 08 18:30:24 <Centaur5> Is it not possible to make tangogps work with 2008.8?
Aug 08 18:31:33 <cjb> someone on the mailing list said it didn't work
Aug 08 18:31:38 <cjb> dunno if it's possible.
Aug 08 18:32:20 <Centaur5> cjb: Well from what I gather it depends on gpsd which claims it doesn't find gps when you install that. Am I wrong?
Aug 08 18:33:17 <cjb> you probably need to follow the wiki instructions on the GPS page
Aug 08 18:34:09 * cjb wonders why qpe uses 80% CPU constantly in 2008.8
Aug 08 18:34:20 <ssweeny> my only problems with 2008.8 are no wifi and no sd card
Aug 08 18:34:45 <ssweeny> oh, and i kinda miss the "Today" screen with appointments and stuff
Aug 08 18:35:25 * mike--2 is reluctant to upgrade to 2008.8
Aug 08 18:35:54 <cjb> interesting, that's why it's so slow
Aug 08 18:36:06 <cjb> if you kill qpe it starts being usable again
Aug 08 18:36:11 <cjb> but you can't use it as a phone in that case
Aug 08 18:36:45 <gargoyle_grin> Yeah.  I kindof miss the old interface
Aug 08 18:36:56 <gargoyle_grin> Three tabs at the bottom, etc
Aug 08 18:37:45 <ssweeny> yeah
Aug 08 18:39:53 <confidential2> how big partitions should I use on my SD card for Qtopia?
Aug 08 18:43:12 <gargoyle_grin> Weird.  I can connect to my WPA access point and obtain an IP and DNS IP's via dhcp, but I can't access (ping or get name lookups from) either of the two dns server ip's, nor ping any google IP's.
Aug 08 18:43:27 <gargoyle_grin> I'm using the /etc/network/interfaces method at the moment.
Aug 08 18:44:43 <Zorkman> anyway to get rasters-keyboad in 2008.8?
Aug 08 18:45:20 <Zorkman> i have the button on top to toggle the kb, but i'm still stuck with that stupid qtopia keyboard
Aug 08 18:47:25 <jadams_> I'm running FSO and can't seem to turn the thing off to actually reflash
Aug 08 18:47:29 <jadams_> any power button presses seem to suspend it
Aug 08 18:47:34 <jadams_> suspend/resume works great though :)
Aug 08 18:47:38 <Ainulindale> jadams_: long press on power button
Aug 08 18:47:43 <Ainulindale> 10 seconds I think
Aug 08 18:50:03 <lollydays> how do I get a terminal into the OM2008.8?
Aug 08 18:50:18 * cjb watches qpe eat as much CPU as it can get, sitting at the home screen.
Aug 08 18:50:22 <gargoyle_grin> lolidays: opkg install openmoko-teminal2, IIRC.
Aug 08 18:50:35 <gargoyle_grin> Any idea on the Wifi issues above?  I was having the same issue in 2007.2 before I flashed 2008.08
Aug 08 18:50:56 <lpotter> Zorkman: 2008.8 is not qtopia, and does not use qtopia's keyboard
Aug 08 18:51:21 <Zorkman> sorry lpotter, thought it was the qopia keyboard, my mistake and apologies
Aug 08 18:51:42 <lpotter> no worries. common misunderstanding
Aug 08 18:52:15 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 18:52:25 <jadams_> Ainulindale, thanks, dropping batt. works too :)
Aug 08 18:52:38 <leinir> ASU used the qtopia keyboard for a short while, but they switched back again :)
Aug 08 18:52:53 <lpotter> ASU wrote their own keyboartd
Aug 08 18:53:04 <leinir> *nods* Which is what makes people confused :)
Aug 08 18:53:06 <koenigjm> the keyboard takes a bit of getting used to
Aug 08 18:53:07 <lpotter> styles after the qtopia one
Aug 08 18:53:10 <koenigjm> how do you delete?
Aug 08 18:53:18 <leinir> koenigjm: back-stroke ;)
Aug 08 18:53:30 <leinir> slide your finger backwards over the keyboard :)
Aug 08 18:53:36 <koenigjm> ahhh
Aug 08 18:53:37 <koenigjm> lol
Aug 08 18:53:39 <gargoyle_grin> Ooo.  Wait.  Is this installed by default in 2008.08?
Aug 08 18:54:07 <gargoyle_grin> The pen-stroke-based input system?
Aug 08 18:54:30 <koenigjm> and can you do a special thing for special characters? and can you turn off the word recognition so I can type something like google?
Aug 08 18:54:47 <lollydays> where is opnmoko-terminal2 in the repository? I can't get my neo to connect to the network so I want to just install an ipk
Aug 08 18:55:05 <koenigjm> under Dev I think
Aug 08 18:55:09 <Zorkman> i can't understand why they do not include a f**** ctrl key
Aug 08 18:56:56 <lollydays> koenigjm, i'm not seeing it
Aug 08 18:57:01 <lollydays> can't find dev
Aug 08 18:57:12 <ssweeny> if you hold down over a letter it will force that letter
Aug 08 18:57:25 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: there is
Aug 08 18:57:32 <ssweeny> and you can scroll between caps, numbers and special chars with a scroll up/down gesture
Aug 08 18:57:33 <Pjj> with the 2008.8  what's the current lifetime ~ ?
Aug 08 18:57:41 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: finger slide up and up until you reach the full keyboard
Aug 08 18:57:43 <Pjj> battery life that is
Aug 08 18:58:07 <cjb> hm, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lusb trying to compile dfu-util
Aug 08 18:58:18 <cjb> I have libusb and libusb-devel installed
Aug 08 18:58:20 <lollydays> anyone know where I can find the openmoko-terminal2.ipk? I can't get my neo to connect directly
Aug 08 18:58:54 <ssweeny> lollydays, dns issue?
Aug 08 18:58:58 <koenigjm> cjb: you need to have libusb-static too
Aug 08 18:59:01 <cjb> (oh, I need -static)
Aug 08 18:59:03 <cjb> thanks :)
Aug 08 18:59:30 <lollydays> ssweeny, maybe
Aug 08 18:59:57 <ssweeny> lollydays, echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf
Aug 08 19:00:11 <ssweeny> (that's opendns)
Aug 08 19:00:15 <lollydays> ok, thanks
Aug 08 19:00:32 <Dave> Zorkmen :]
Aug 08 19:03:09 <Pjj> no one has any idea yet about the 2008.8 battery lifetime?
Aug 08 19:03:28 <koenigjm> dunno...I have had mine running for a couple hours now
Aug 08 19:03:33 <gargoyle_grin> lollydays: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/openmoko-terminal2_3.0.0+svnr4039-r0.03_armv4t.opk
Aug 08 19:03:48 <lollydays> thanks!
Aug 08 19:03:58 <gargoyle_grin> Quite welcome.  :)  Took me a bit to find it.
Aug 08 19:04:28 <lollydays> i can ping google's IP but when I type in opkg install openmoko-terminal2 i get  "an error ocurred, return value: 2"
Aug 08 19:04:51 <abraxa_> lollydays: You're one of many who encounter that
Aug 08 19:04:51 <gargoyle_grin> Ugh.  I *hate* that error.  I've had to look at it way too many times.
Aug 08 19:05:13 <gargoyle_grin> You might try an opkg --verbosity 2 install openmoko-terminal2.  Might give you more information on what's wrong.
Aug 08 19:09:04 <froksen> how is the OSX support at the current stage?
Aug 08 19:09:05 <lollydays> gargoyle_grin, when i try that it lists tons of pkg's and says "already visited"
Aug 08 19:09:24 <froksen> Connecting to the phone and so on?
Aug 08 19:09:42 <gargoyle_grin> Ah.  Yup.  I've seen that before as well.  Sorry, man.  I've not found a solution to it yet.  I was hoping reflashing with 2008.08 would take care of it.
Aug 08 19:10:21 <lollydays> damn
Aug 08 19:10:54 <linuxxr> ugly
Aug 08 19:11:10 <lollydays> when i try installing the terminal it says I'm missing "ttf-liberation-mono" and "libvte9"
Aug 08 19:11:18 <gargoyle_grin> Oh... actually... you might try a -nodeps if you're sure the dependencies are satisfied.
Aug 08 19:11:38 <tabac> hi guys (and girls)
Aug 08 19:11:51 <lollydays> how do I check if I have those? 
Aug 08 19:12:01 <tabac> Congrats on the release... looks goog
Aug 08 19:12:07 <tabac> goog -> good
Aug 08 19:13:04 <gargoyle_grin> lollydays: Not sure.  You might try opkg whatdepends openmoko-terminal2*.ipk, but that might just give you the same "return value 2" error.
Aug 08 19:14:55 <lollydays> gargoyle-grin, yeah I need the deps. Do you think they'd be anywhere online? 
Aug 08 19:15:13 <lollydays> nevermind, found it
Aug 08 19:15:32 <gargoyle_grin> Ah.  Good.  :)
Aug 08 19:16:37 <brian|lfs> is 20088 any better then the pervious version I haven't updated yet
Aug 08 19:16:54 <brian|lfs> I know the version I have on my phone when people call you can't answer the phone becuase nothing poips up lol
Aug 08 19:17:03 <lollydays> gargoyle_grin, can't find libvte9...
Aug 08 19:17:58 <lollydays> sorry, found that one too
Aug 08 19:17:59 <lollydays> haha
Aug 08 19:18:07 <tabac> In Om2008.8 I don't get prompted for the SIM pin and I can't make calls. How can I see the status of the GSM connection
Aug 08 19:18:09 <tabac> ?
Aug 08 19:18:15 <gargoyle_grin> lollydays: Heh.  Cool.  No problem.
Aug 08 19:19:23 <mbuf> from where can I get a qtopia-ficgta01-sdk-4.3.2.vmx file that I can use with vmplayer?
Aug 08 19:20:21 <fuzzyt> mbug: qtopia.net?
Aug 08 19:20:35 <fuzzyt> mbuf*
Aug 08 19:21:27 <brian|lfs> I'm confused
Aug 08 19:21:46 <brian|lfs> why wold they release 20088 it has to many bugs its not even useable lol
Aug 08 19:21:57 <cjb> yeah
Aug 08 19:22:00 <cjb> I don't get it either
Aug 08 19:22:02 <si-m1> its usable
Aug 08 19:22:07 <brian|lfs> no it isn't
Aug 08 19:22:08 <cjb> si-m1: no, it really ins't
Aug 08 19:22:13 <abraxa_> brian|lfs: planet.openmoko.org
Aug 08 19:22:14 <si-m1> i can call
Aug 08 19:22:17 <si-m1> receive calls
Aug 08 19:22:19 <si-m1> send sms
Aug 08 19:22:42 <brian|lfs> where do I get the image my freerunner came with
Aug 08 19:22:49 <brian|lfs> I've eyt to find the right version numbert
Aug 08 19:23:02 <tkep> did something change in usb networking with om2008.8
Aug 08 19:23:07 <si-m1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.4/
Aug 08 19:23:12 <si-m1> no
Aug 08 19:23:21 <mmaestri> anybody knows for sure what's happening with openembedded.net?
Aug 08 19:23:26 <si-m1> its still 192.168.0.202
Aug 08 19:23:35 <tkep> i cannot get ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 to do jack shit
Aug 08 19:23:39 <si-m1> but you have to reboot after initial boot
Aug 08 19:23:45 <si-m1> before it will work
Aug 08 19:23:52 <tkep> 99% sure i did that
Aug 08 19:23:56 <tkep> but i'll try again
Aug 08 19:24:09 * cjb is flashing back to FSO milestone 2
Aug 08 19:24:27 <brian|lfs> does anyone knwo where I can get the stock freerunner images
Aug 08 19:24:29 <lollydays> dang it! Why can't I use the symbols in the OM2008.8 keyboard
Aug 08 19:24:31 <ssweeny> tkep, unplug and replug the usb cable
Aug 08 19:24:33 <Dave> hoenoes, it's lenier!
Aug 08 19:24:34 <ssweeny> that worked for me
Aug 08 19:24:41 <Dave> hmm
Aug 08 19:24:45 <brian|lfs> they worked better then what is on my phone now 2007. something
Aug 08 19:24:47 <Dave> lpotter, so, what's new with the Q?
Aug 08 19:24:48 <si-m1> brian|lfs: 2008.4 should be stock
Aug 08 19:24:54 <tkep> ssweeny, come on, i tried that :-p
Aug 08 19:24:55 <brian|lfs> oh ok
Aug 08 19:25:04 <brian|lfs> fsorry missed that si-m1 
Aug 08 19:25:32 <brian|lfs> when I read that I was thinking it was the new image that came out today
Aug 08 19:25:43 <leinir> Dave: *curtsies* And, it would seem, it is you :)
Aug 08 19:25:50 <tabac> In Om2008.8 I don't get prompted for the SIM pin and I can't make calls. How can I see the status of the GSM connection?
Aug 08 19:26:30 <si-m1> it's the small icon in topright corner
Aug 08 19:26:33 <lollydays> actually, i can't use the keyboard at all
Aug 08 19:26:37 <si-m1> should look like most cellphones
Aug 08 19:27:22 <brian|lfs> has anyone even got the data part of there sim card to work on openmoko
Aug 08 19:27:27 <brian|lfs> I've yet to find anyone that has
Aug 08 19:27:49 <Tanuva> 8.8 seems quite... unfinished.
Aug 08 19:27:55 <confidential2> will the phone be charged when in NOR or NAND?
Aug 08 19:27:59 <tabac> si-m1: tnx. Can I get another go at entering a SIM pin?
Aug 08 19:28:29 <si-m1> dont think so if you've closed it
Aug 08 19:28:56 <mwester> Was it the 2008.8.8 image?  or just 2008.8 -- if the latter, they still have the rest of the month to clean up the bugs...
Aug 08 19:29:27 <tabac> si-m1: I haven't ... I never get to the pin entering dialog
Aug 08 19:29:39 <kd8ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62G6yDkHD8
Aug 08 19:29:50 <si-m1> brian|lfs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS this guide should work if you know your way around pppd 
Aug 08 19:30:11 <brian|lfs> thats just it I don't lol
Aug 08 19:30:18 <si-m1> tabac: ok, strange, i got it a while after menu came up
Aug 08 19:30:39 <Yasumoto> alright, if it's complicated, I can check it out
Aug 08 19:30:40 <cga> kd8ikt, oh man.... that is *so* sad
Aug 08 19:30:48 <tabac> si-m1: A while? after how long?
Aug 08 19:30:54 <kd8ikt> isnt it
Aug 08 19:30:54 <si-m1> tabac: about 10s
Aug 08 19:30:54 <Yasumoto> but is this thing seriously going to suspend every 15 minutes while I'm sshed in?!
Aug 08 19:31:10 <jadams_> I just flashed with 2008.8 and now my neo1973 just sits at the very first openmoko screen (on boot keypress) and never goes anywhere else
Aug 08 19:31:21 <tabac> si-m1: ok, hmm. Well
Aug 08 19:31:23 <Yasumoto> (er, 15 seconds)
Aug 08 19:31:36 <si-m1> Yasumoto: you can change it in the settings menu
Aug 08 19:32:01 <lollydays> how do I press return with the keyboard
Aug 08 19:32:15 <xt> extend your finger, push the button
Aug 08 19:32:15 <Yasumoto> si-m1: schnap.
Aug 08 19:32:18 <Yasumoto> thank you
Aug 08 19:32:29 * Tanuva switches back to fsom2
Aug 08 19:32:37 <lollydays> xt: it just makes another line in terminal when I want to run the command
Aug 08 19:32:55 <Yasumoto> Tanuva: really? what were your issues with it?
Aug 08 19:34:13 <lollydays> can't press enter with the keyboard? wtf
Aug 08 19:34:27 <Tanuva> Yasumoto: it doesn't prompt for pin or I can't get the focus on the pin entry field, it feels unresponsive...
Aug 08 19:34:44 <Tanuva> and zhone's etk gui is way nicer :D
Aug 08 19:35:09 <Torikun> sleep mode causes GSM not o work
Aug 08 19:35:10 <Yasumoto> Tanuva: mm, kk
Aug 08 19:35:24 <igor321> so is 2008.8 dope or whut?
Aug 08 19:35:36 <jadams_> is 2008.8 supposed to work on a neo1973?
Aug 08 19:35:46 <cjb> jadams_: no
Aug 08 19:35:51 <Tanuva> igor321: try it by yourself, that's just my conclusion :)
Aug 08 19:35:51 <igor321> jadams_: no, ofcourse
Aug 08 19:35:58 <jadams_> why would that be of course?
Aug 08 19:36:00 <cjb> jadams_: they asked on the mailing list to hear from people who'd like it to work on neo
Aug 08 19:36:05 <jadams_> I asked in here earlier and someone said yes
Aug 08 19:36:11 <cjb> so they can decide whether they want to do that
Aug 08 19:36:14 <jadams_> cjb: I can't modify my mailing list settings to get it to a digest for me
Aug 08 19:36:20 <igor321> jadams_: they were lying
Aug 08 19:36:30 <jadams_> cjb, so I miss stuff frequently on the list these days
Aug 08 19:36:54 <jadams_> cjb, I know I and others have complained about this - I go on to the mailing list site, enter in all the info to, for instance, unsubscribe, and it just doesn't work
Aug 08 19:37:05 <jadams_> anyway, sigh
Aug 08 19:37:10 <Tanuva> jadams_: cookies?
Aug 08 19:37:12 <jadams_> now I have to reflash with a distro that works
Aug 08 19:37:19 <Chox> Debian!
Aug 08 19:37:22 <jadams_> Tanuva, perhaps...
Aug 08 19:37:33 <lollydays> anyone know how to be able to run a command in the terminal with this silly keyboard? 
Aug 08 19:37:34 <mmaestri> hi Chox
Aug 08 19:37:34 <jadams_> Chox, I have a 2GB SD in there, I just don't know how to load debian on the thing
Aug 08 19:37:42 <Chox> mmumumumuaestri!
Aug 08 19:37:45 <trix> 2008.8 is lookin' pretty nifty
Aug 08 19:37:47 <Torikun> lol change kb to terminal
Aug 08 19:37:57 <Chox> jadams: Debian page on wiki.  Needs to be updated tho.
Aug 08 19:38:02 <mmaestri> Chox: how're you doing...
Aug 08 19:38:16 <mmaestri> Chox: have you tried 2008.8?
Aug 08 19:38:23 <jadams_> Chox, are you running debian?
Aug 08 19:38:34 <Tanuva> lollydays: drawing a line from top to bottom of the keyboard right over it should generate a newline
Aug 08 19:40:08 <Chox> mmaestri: nope
Aug 08 19:40:14 <Chox> jadams_: sort of.
Aug 08 19:40:21 * Chox has to redo the Debian wiki page.
Aug 08 19:40:45 <jadams_> Chox, I'd gladly help if you'd tell me what I need to do to install debian in the first place (so I know what to put on the page :))
Aug 08 19:40:55 <Chox> well, follow the page as it is :p
Aug 08 19:43:07 <tabac>  
Aug 08 19:43:11 <Chox>  !
Aug 08 19:43:12 <lollydays> how do you change to the slider front menu? 
Aug 08 19:43:31 <Chox> Friday yet?
Aug 08 19:43:46 <jadams_> Chox, k
Aug 08 19:45:32 <jadams_> Chox, should I build the kernel with moredrivers?
Aug 08 19:45:43 <lollydays> does the stable release have a ringeR? 
Aug 08 19:46:02 <Chox> no, just use daily kernel
Aug 08 19:46:14 <Chox> and you just need one partition
Aug 08 19:46:18 <mmaestri> Chox: so you're still running fso, i guess. have you been able to build an image, or are you using fso m2 yet?
Aug 08 19:46:25 <Chox> latest uboot will boot from ext2/3
Aug 08 19:46:35 <tabac> 
PING 1218224798 394590

Aug 08 19:46:56 * Chox bank on GTK, like time I updated.  Haven't tried to build FSO again yet.  still mooing about cross g77, I expect
Aug 08 19:47:00 <Chox> back
Aug 08 19:47:11 <lollydays> anyone? ringer in ASU
Aug 08 19:47:23 <Chox> that's from last weekend, so I'm outta date.
Aug 08 19:47:33 <jadams_> Chox, what was that about just needing one partition?
Aug 08 19:47:41 <jadams_> right now I'm downloading that first 'known good' filesystem
Aug 08 19:47:55 <jadams_> and I'm going to make an ext3 on my SD and untar that to the SD
Aug 08 19:47:59 <Chox> jadams_: the instructions as they imply you need FAT+ext2.  that's no longer true.
Aug 08 19:48:05 <jadams_> then I'm going to install latest kernel from (where for the neo?)
Aug 08 19:48:09 <jadams_> Chox, ahh
Aug 08 19:48:17 <jadams_> I didn't see anything about FAT so far
Aug 08 19:48:19 <Chox> grab uImage from daily builds
Aug 08 19:48:58 <jadams_> kk
Aug 08 19:49:46 * Dave lures leinir
Aug 08 19:49:56 <dingman> Are the old daily package feed dirs archived anywhere?
Aug 08 19:50:00 <Chox> what bait will you use?
Aug 08 19:50:46 * dingman needs openmoko-messages from a couple days ago.
Aug 08 19:50:48 <jadams_> I've never flashed uboot and I have an old neo, what image should I flash uboot with?
Aug 08 19:50:58 <Chox> heh, dunno.
Aug 08 19:51:09 <leinir> Dave: Hmm? :)
Aug 08 19:55:10 <tabac> 
PING 1218225313 387045

Aug 08 19:55:39 <CVirus> tabac: ?
Aug 08 19:55:47 <leinir> tabac: ?
Aug 08 19:55:53 <aggtrfrad> he ping u too?
Aug 08 19:56:00 <leinir> Everybody ping tabac, he wants your undivided attention!
Aug 08 19:56:10 <leinir> aggtrfrad: He pinged the channel :)
Aug 08 19:56:22 <CVirus> hehe
Aug 08 19:56:50 <Bish> 2008.8 is great stable, but what happend to the keyboard?
Aug 08 19:57:03 <Chox> hah, question of the month
Aug 08 19:57:28 <Tanuva> not just the month...
Aug 08 19:57:38 <Bish> LOL
Aug 08 19:57:40 <Bish> lol*
Aug 08 19:57:43 <Tanuva> (not that there happened anything to my kb yet...)
Aug 08 19:57:46 * Chox stabs Bish with his lol.
Aug 08 19:57:47 <Bish> hm, and the battery displayer does not work
Aug 08 19:57:57 <Bish> ouch
Aug 08 19:58:10 <Bish> so, there is no .. useable keyboard like the terminal version in 2008.8 ?
Aug 08 19:59:10 <si-m1> the keyboard in 2008.8 rocks
Aug 08 19:59:19 <Tanuva> fso rocks...
Aug 08 19:59:33 <mmontour> jadams_: the newest daily u-boot on buildhost should be OK, but if you have a Neo1973 then you should ask someone with a debug board to confirm that the image is OK before you update your device.
Aug 08 19:59:38 <si-m1> you can type crazy fast without a stylus
Aug 08 19:59:55 <Bish> Tanuva: yes youre write, but i need sms support
Aug 08 20:00:02 <Bish> si-m1: it rocks? how can i make backspaceß
Aug 08 20:00:04 <Tanuva> Bish: fsom2 has sms support
Aug 08 20:00:05 <aggtrfrad> whats with wifi
Aug 08 20:00:17 <Tanuva> Bish: just don't know if notifying of new ones works properly (at all?)
Aug 08 20:00:21 <Bish> Tanuva: yes.. great, the sms'es arrive when u reboot the neo
Aug 08 20:00:23 <aggtrfrad> it just says wifi    unknown
Aug 08 20:00:30 <si-m1> Bish: drag finger from right to left
Aug 08 20:00:35 <Tanuva> Bish: not for me afaik, just need to check
Aug 08 20:00:39 <cga> is it possible to install 2008.8 FSO SHR an Qtopia in the microSD? is there a wiki like for flashing? do i use the dfu-utils?
Aug 08 20:00:50 <wurp2|working> Tanuva: I'm pretty sure notification of smses doesn't work at all in FSO now
Aug 08 20:00:53 <Bish> si-m1: im german, so the .. recommened words are shit too :P
Aug 08 20:01:06 <si-m1> Bish: if you hold the finger over a button you will get a magnifying glass and it will skip the t9
Aug 08 20:01:09 <Tanuva> wurp2|working: hm. okay, then that maybe was coincidence
Aug 08 20:01:31 <si-m1> but if you type fast you will need to stick to the recommended word thingy
Aug 08 20:01:43 <Bish> so i will have to hold the finger all the time
Aug 08 20:01:43 <wurp2|working> Tanuva: You got notified of an SMS?
Aug 08 20:01:46 <Bish> and thats fast?
Aug 08 20:01:50 <si-m1> no
Aug 08 20:01:52 <si-m1> thats slow
Aug 08 20:01:54 <si-m1> he he
Aug 08 20:02:07 <Bish> haha i c..
Aug 08 20:02:10 <si-m1> but i imagine there will be other wordlists in the future
Aug 08 20:02:13 <Bish> where is the.. "word database"
Aug 08 20:02:16 <Bish> yeah sure
Aug 08 20:02:18 <Tanuva> wurp2|working: no, I once saw that there's one - that's why I'm not sure
Aug 08 20:02:45 <Tanuva> s/one/an sms/
Aug 08 20:02:45 <apt> Tanuva meant: wurp2|working: no, I once saw that there's an sms - that's why I'm not sure
Aug 08 20:02:56 <cga> anyone please?
Aug 08 20:03:08 <cga> i'm craving to try them
Aug 08 20:05:36 <Bish> si-m1: how do i make a return in the xterm?
Aug 08 20:05:58 <Bish> ah i c..
Aug 08 20:06:00 <si-m1> Bish: swich to the symbolskeyboard with dragging the keybord up or down
Aug 08 20:06:02 <Bish> hm okay, 
Aug 08 20:06:15 <Bish> i liked the terminal keyboard more
Aug 08 20:06:39 <si-m1> yeah, its probably better for terminal-stuff
Aug 08 20:06:56 <Bish> hm, its better for german grammar nazies
Aug 08 20:06:57 <spdr_> no web browser for qtopia??
Aug 08 20:07:05 <linuxxr> i installed 080808 an i cant  hear anything on the phone but it answers     an i cant hear it ring
Aug 08 20:07:09 <Pyrasi>  anyone know a way to get the FSO keyboard working on ASU?
Aug 08 20:07:21 <spdr_> no web browser for qtopia?? :\\\
Aug 08 20:07:22 <Bish> what the fuck is 080808
Aug 08 20:07:23 <Bish> :D
Aug 08 20:07:36 <Bish> spdr_: no.. minomo,openmoko-browser
Aug 08 20:07:41 <jadams_> Chox, re: debian, got a sec?
Aug 08 20:07:47 <Pyrasi>  spdr_: minimo  works on asu if thats what you are on
Aug 08 20:07:54 <si-m1> Bish: check your calendar :)
Aug 08 20:08:04 <jadams_> mmontour, I have a debug board
Aug 08 20:08:10 <jadams_> mmontour, so no worries
Aug 08 20:08:15 <spdr_> im on qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2
Aug 08 20:08:26 <Bish> si-m1: its 09, im from australia :D
Aug 08 20:08:27 <Bish> haha !
Aug 08 20:08:34 <si-m1> Bish: doh :P
Aug 08 20:08:36 <spdr_> just flashed .. and it seems the wifi works
Aug 08 20:08:43 <Infoport> ok, so what I've installed to SD "Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.tar.gz" is NOT ASU? The irc-blurb when I connect seems to cast doubt
Aug 08 20:09:02 <Bish> si-m1: i thionk its called 2008.8 ,isnt it
Aug 08 20:09:06 <linuxxr> ok
Aug 08 20:09:13 <linuxxr> excuse me please
Aug 08 20:09:22 <si-m1> these are releases: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/
Aug 08 20:09:27 <wurp2|working> Tanuva: I saw mickey talking about this in cdevel earlier today
Aug 08 20:09:34 <si-m1> others are daily builds etc
Aug 08 20:09:43 <wurp2|working> Tanuva: It looks as if SMS support is there (send & receive), but there's no notification
Aug 08 20:09:45 <Bish> i dont like keyboard,wifi support, and the battery logo on the top-right
Aug 08 20:09:49 <Bish> evrything else is great
Aug 08 20:10:15 <wurp2|working> Tanuva: And the support is incomplete - direct send is either not there or is undocumented; for now you have to load the message into the sim, then send
Aug 08 20:10:38 <Infoport> ok, so ASU is out but people need to keep it separate from the Aug 8 build of OM2007 ?
Aug 08 20:10:52 <Bish> yes Infoport 
Aug 08 20:11:08 <Bish> 2On-line, battery status critical: 0% (0:00:00)
Aug 08 20:11:12 <Bish> this seems to be a bug too
Aug 08 20:11:42 <tkep> ok, i swear i can't connect over ssh via usb with om2008
Aug 08 20:11:47 <tkep> lsusb doesn't show a device
Aug 08 20:11:47 <si-m1> Bish: where did you get that?
Aug 08 20:11:55 <Bish> si-m1: apm , ssh
Aug 08 20:11:58 <tkep> what do i need to do to get my pc to see it
Aug 08 20:12:01 <si-m1> mine works
Aug 08 20:12:04 <si-m1> # apm
Aug 08 20:12:04 <si-m1> On-line, battery charging: 94% (0:28:00)
Aug 08 20:12:14 <Bish> and my battery logo is always .. "Connected to USB"
Aug 08 20:12:14 <Infoport> Bish: thanks, sorry if it has been beaten to death, that chatroom blurb made me wonder (but ASU *does* look different from first glance!)
Aug 08 20:12:17 <Bish> even if its not
Aug 08 20:12:32 <si-m1> tkep: ubuntu has the driver atleast
Aug 08 20:12:43 <tkep> si-m1, ubuntu, works fine when i flash to stock 2007
Aug 08 20:12:48 <tkep> ubuntu 8.04
Aug 08 20:12:50 <aggtrfrad> dmesg
Aug 08 20:12:52 <si-m1> ah ko
Aug 08 20:12:54 <aggtrfrad> to see what happened
Aug 08 20:13:01 <si-m1> it should be exactly as the stock
Aug 08 20:13:03 <tkep> dmesg shows nothing when i plug it in
Aug 08 20:13:07 <si-m1> except for the issue with first boot
Aug 08 20:13:11 <tkep> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
Aug 08 20:13:14 <tkep> nothing changes
Aug 08 20:13:17 <aggtrfrad> some distros wont accept the usb connection, and u have to reboot
Aug 08 20:13:20 <si-m1> it didnt for me either
Aug 08 20:13:29 <tkep> reboot the pc or the phone?
Aug 08 20:13:30 <si-m1> on the first boot, but then it fixed itself on the next boot
Aug 08 20:13:36 <si-m1> the phone
Aug 08 20:13:40 <aggtrfrad> if dmesg shows nothing its weird
Aug 08 20:13:40 <tkep> definitely did that
Aug 08 20:13:53 <tkep> tail -f /var/log/messages shows something
Aug 08 20:14:11 <si-m1> dmesg did show that the device was connected
Aug 08 20:14:21 <si-m1> but not the ethernetdriver on usb0
Aug 08 20:14:27 <cga> anyone pleas: is it possible to install 2008.8 FSO SHR an Qtopia in the microSD? is there a wiki like for flashing? do i use the dfu-utils? (sorry for repeating)
Aug 08 20:14:37 <Infoport> is there a place where I can edit and REORDER the NAND menu options? I tried to setenv over the FAT+ext2 boot option, but it added a new option that is displayed 3rd (rather it be above the FAT boot option)
Aug 08 20:14:37 <aggtrfrad> simplw question. dows wifi work on a clean 2008.0 install?
Aug 08 20:14:44 <cga> i searched the wiki but i can't find anything
Aug 08 20:14:45 <si-m1> tkep: you flashed the newest kernel aswell?
Aug 08 20:14:48 <Zorkman> cga: there is a wiki: booting from SD
Aug 08 20:14:54 <tkep> the one with the image, yes
Aug 08 20:14:57 <si-m1> yeah
Aug 08 20:15:10 <Zorkman> cga: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
Aug 08 20:15:17 <Dave> bah, nothing works :(
Aug 08 20:15:23 <si-m1> aggtrfrad: wifi works with 2008.8 if you set it up manually
Aug 08 20:15:24 <cga> Zorkman, that's booting. i'm reading it but i can't find how to flash
Aug 08 20:15:33 <Dave> Anyone else had luck with the pointer fix for GTK?
Aug 08 20:15:44 <tkep> when i plugged it in, messages says "Aug  8 16:15:27 travis1420 kernel: [14789.267891] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 12"
Aug 08 20:15:46 <cga> Zorkman, ohps
Aug 08 20:15:50 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 08 20:15:59 <tkep> so it detects the phone
Aug 08 20:16:27 <tkep> dmesg does nothing.....
Aug 08 20:16:28 <si-m1> tkep: ah ok, good, but you lack the [ 4620.445740] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device,
Aug 08 20:16:35 <si-m1> right?
Aug 08 20:16:56 <Dave> zorkman, any new things? :]
Aug 08 20:16:59 <tkep> Aug  8 15:29:04 travis1420 kernel: [12905.659893] cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
Aug 08 20:17:01 <tkep> that's what i get
Aug 08 20:17:10 <Infoport> cga: it says "Populating SD card". basically you don't "flash", you un-tar or copy the files over
Aug 08 20:17:43 <cga> Infoport, thanks. so i just partition for each OS and cp ?
Aug 08 20:17:44 <tkep> i'm going to reflash, si-m1 can you link me to the right kernel just to be positive?
Aug 08 20:17:56 <cga> then adjust the bootloader?
Aug 08 20:18:23 <si-m1> tkep: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
Aug 08 20:18:33 <tkep> yeah, that's the one :-\
Aug 08 20:18:43 <jomat> Hi.
Aug 08 20:19:03 <si-m1> tkep: but.. i got only the ACM device aswell the first boot, so maybe the initial rootfs boot didnt complete the stpes
Aug 08 20:19:06 <si-m1> *steps
Aug 08 20:19:21 <brian|lfs> hey si-m1 I'm going to put 20088 on my phone then I'm going to put all the scripts on my phone in the proper location
Aug 08 20:19:40 <si-m1> brian|lfs: don't know if it works on 2008.8
Aug 08 20:19:42 <tkep> ok, reflashing the whole thing right now
Aug 08 20:19:46 <tkep> on Red Hat's time :)
Aug 08 20:19:49 <brian|lfs> for gprs then I'll let you know when I have questions about what I need to put int he scripts and where
Aug 08 20:19:49 <Infoport> cga: that Wiki page has info, except for a few places you might follow a link for *more* info. You make a kernel partition, one for each OS, copy the kernel and uncompress the rootfs (matching OS) into its partition
Aug 08 20:19:56 <cga> does 2008.08 has a terminal?
Aug 08 20:20:00 <si-m1> yes
Aug 08 20:20:05 <tkep> cga, yes, but not readily accessible
Aug 08 20:20:07 <brian|lfs> why would it be any different
Aug 08 20:20:12 <cga> ok tkep 
Aug 08 20:20:28 <si-m1> brian|lfs: its a new kernel
Aug 08 20:20:46 <si-m1> and loads of new software
Aug 08 20:20:48 <liberate_me> how does one change the ringer volume in the new ASU?
Aug 08 20:20:50 <brian|lfs> as long as the kernel has the same options it should be find
Aug 08 20:20:52 <brian|lfs> fine
Aug 08 20:20:59 <Infoport> cga: yes, and then adjust bootloader. I just did it myself, and it took reading Booting_from_SD and a linked page on the Bootloader
Aug 08 20:21:02 <tkep> liberate_me, i did it from alsa-mixer
Aug 08 20:21:03 <tkep> :)
Aug 08 20:21:08 <tkep> i dunno how to from the phone
Aug 08 20:21:10 <liberate_me> tkep, which slider is it? 
Aug 08 20:21:19 <si-m1> brian|lfs: yeah, probably will work, but i dont know anyone who has successfully got it to work, that's all :)
Aug 08 20:21:22 * Dave pokes lpotter
Aug 08 20:21:22 <brian|lfs> I got to do somethign about my sticky keyboard not sure what I ate recently yuck
Aug 08 20:21:33 <tkep> liberate_me, you'll have to wait for my flash to get finished and for a successful connection over ssh
Aug 08 20:21:37 <tkep> then i can tell you
Aug 08 20:21:37 * Dave touches leinir
Aug 08 20:21:41 <cga> Infoport, thanks so is like kernel_partition + relative rootfs_partion for each os? (thanks alot for your support)
Aug 08 20:21:46 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 20:21:49 <liberate_me> tkep, ok, take your time :)
Aug 08 20:21:54 <tkep> sorry, i am having issues atm
Aug 08 20:21:56 <brian|lfs> has anyone gotten GPRS working before 
Aug 08 20:22:07 <tkep> nope
Aug 08 20:22:09 <brian|lfs> I've asked several times in here before any everyone is like no haven't tried yet
Aug 08 20:22:39 <si-m1> brian|lfs: xt had it up and running on 2008.4
Aug 08 20:23:03 <brian|lfs> any idea what network?
Aug 08 20:23:09 <si-m1> netcom norway
Aug 08 20:23:26 <si-m1> there's a table for alot of operators on the wiki
Aug 08 20:24:03 <lpotter> spdr_: web browser for qtopia will happen in 4.4
Aug 08 20:24:24 <liberate_me> lpotter, any expected dates for 4.4?
Aug 08 20:24:29 <Dave> lpotter how's the qpkg repo?
Aug 08 20:24:46 <lpotter> same as it has been
Aug 08 20:24:50 <Infoport> cga: hmm...not sure. I thought you could put multiple kernels into that partition, but the directions I used say it MUST be called "uImage.bin" once copied over, so I don't know if you need separate partitions, or if you tell bootloader how to call them by name
Aug 08 20:24:59 <Dave> an unsuccessful piece of crap?
Aug 08 20:25:07 <Dave> That's how it was, last I heard, anyway ;)
Aug 08 20:25:40 <lpotter> well, considering its only me compiling apps for it in my spare time...
Aug 08 20:26:02 <mmontour> Infoport: kernel name can be anything as long as it matches the u-boot configuration.
Aug 08 20:26:26 <cga> Infoport, i see. i guess i ought to use separate partitions ofr multiple kernels if they must be named uImage.bin
Aug 08 20:26:27 <Dave> lpotter :)
Aug 08 20:26:31 * Dave gives lpotter money
Aug 08 20:26:54 <Zorkman> what you looking for Dave?
Aug 08 20:27:01 <Dave> zorkmids!
Aug 08 20:27:07 <Pyrasi>  does anyone know of an ipk for lint-wifi?
Aug 08 20:27:11 <Dave> Zorkman, some new blood, in the qtopia line.
Aug 08 20:27:12 <Bish> oO .. my mobile is not chargin while in 2008.8
Aug 08 20:27:35 <lpotter> Dave: grab yourself a compiler.
Aug 08 20:27:45 <brian|lfs> si-m1, I saw the table when I went through the guide the first time my problem was I didn't understand where in the scripts I input the stuff on the table
Aug 08 20:27:50 <Dave> I have one, should it compile qtopia?
Aug 08 20:28:02 <lpotter> it doesnt already?
Aug 08 20:28:09 <Dave> No
Aug 08 20:28:13 <lpotter> pity
Aug 08 20:28:16 <Dave> heh
Aug 08 20:28:25 <brian|lfs> I'm going to reimage my phone first becuase the image I have is pretty bad it don't seem to keep call history
Aug 08 20:28:28 <Dave> Well it's not like it'd be getting me anything useful out of it, from what I've seen yet
Aug 08 20:28:47 <lpotter> whats 'useful'?
Aug 08 20:28:48 <Infoport> mmontour: would that be put in the Menu_# entry? what part of that entry do you change?
Aug 08 20:28:51 <Dave> I'm open to suggestions and monetary as well as delectable forms of persuasion however, lpotter ;)
Aug 08 20:29:02 <aggtrfrad> naaaaah how can i disable the damn auto word thing
Aug 08 20:29:13 * Dave winks at leinir
Aug 08 20:29:15 <Torikun> aggtrfrad: 200808 has a realy keyboard option
Aug 08 20:29:19 <Torikun> if you click the a
Aug 08 20:29:26 <leinirAWAY> *giggles* :)
Aug 08 20:29:26 <Torikun> the older images require you to click change input method
Aug 08 20:29:34 * Dave hides behind leinir
Aug 08 20:29:44 <si-m1> brian|lfs: under the scripts there's text explaining it.. "internet" is the APN ex.
Aug 08 20:29:48 <brian|lfs> is the uimage file the kernel or the u-boot?
Aug 08 20:30:04 <Dave> Lpotter, is there anything new and interesting I can install or build for the Qtopia image and play around with?
Aug 08 20:30:06 <Infoport> cga: mmontour says the uBoot entry just needs to match, but I haven't gotten that far yet myself
Aug 08 20:30:07 <brian|lfs> for 20088
Aug 08 20:30:08 <si-m1> brian|lfs: the kernal
Aug 08 20:30:14 <brian|lfs> ok ust wanted to make sure
Aug 08 20:30:33 <leinirAWAY> Dave: The Amarok Mobile Companion! ...oh wait, it's not written yet ;)
Aug 08 20:30:37 <Dave> I hadn't even booted my qtopia phone in several weeks because there really wasn't anything I could do with it, and the new and exciting qpackage manager well, wasn't so much so. :)
Aug 08 20:30:43 <Dave> Leinir -_-
Aug 08 20:30:45 <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
Aug 08 20:30:50 * Dave spanks leinir
Aug 08 20:30:59 <Ko_deZ> Been away for a while. What is happening regarding the GSM echo stuff? Thought I should do some research on it, but need to know current status
Aug 08 20:31:00 * leinirAWAY murrs ;)
Aug 08 20:31:11 <leinirAWAY> i mean... Thank You, Sir, can i have another? ;)
Aug 08 20:31:12 <cga> Infoport, you mean far as installing multiple oses?
Aug 08 20:31:25 <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
Aug 08 20:31:27 <tdobson> bah I have found up what the gsm thinks of my sim card " sim failure"
Aug 08 20:31:36 <lpotter> Dave: umm. you could use it as a phone
Aug 08 20:31:47 <Dave> lpotter, hah! true
Aug 08 20:31:57 <Dave> though apparently can't use it for internet (anything)
Aug 08 20:32:03 <Infoport> cga: yes, with one kernel partition (I *think* someone posted about their tri-boot on one of the lists too)
Aug 08 20:32:12 <Dave> which makes it even less desirable than it's less impressive gtk counterparts
Aug 08 20:32:20 <Dave> Leinir >:)
Aug 08 20:33:35 <Tanuva> wurp2|working: ah, that's why it didn't send it at first. okay, then I just "misunderstood" what's there yet :)
Aug 08 20:34:20 <Dave> LUL
Aug 08 20:34:21 <cga> Infoport, well.. now that i have enough info i can try triboot myself. otherwise i just can erase the SD and install one at the time. if i manage to i can write a "multiboot install on sd" for the wiki
Aug 08 20:34:36 <cga> Infoport, thanks alot again =)
Aug 08 20:34:40 <Dave> well, there goes my qtopia phone :D
Aug 08 20:35:05 <brian|lfs> ok cool my 20088 rootfs image is loading to my openmoko freerunner phone
Aug 08 20:35:28 <Infoport> cga: btw, the Bootloader page tells you all about how the commands work, and then just gives it to you.
Aug 08 20:36:32 <brian|lfs> I still ask the question why was 20088 released with thigns on the features lsit not complete yet
Aug 08 20:36:50 <Torikun> 200808 does not look anything like the screen shots
Aug 08 20:37:21 <xhr17> hehe
Aug 08 20:37:25 <ConfidentiaL> but 2008.8 does...
Aug 08 20:37:27 <Dave> apparently it went into suspend while upgrading everything now when resuming the display is all fucked up and it won't launch applications :D
Aug 08 20:37:30 <mmontour> Infoport: the kernel name appears in the "ext2load" or "fatload" command. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#How_it_Works
Aug 08 20:37:36 <xhr17> those are not screenshots, it an artists impression
Aug 08 20:37:40 * Dave laughs in leinir's general direction.
Aug 08 20:38:19 <Torikun> lololo
Aug 08 20:38:24 <brian|lfs> did they even put a startup sound back ye tlol
Aug 08 20:38:48 <cga> Infoport, thanks =)
Aug 08 20:39:00 <Dave> goddamn it's fucked
Aug 08 20:39:23 <Torikun> dosbox and pidgin run good on the new image
Aug 08 20:39:31 <Dave> qtopia?
Aug 08 20:39:38 <Torikun> 20080808
Aug 08 20:39:46 <Dave> haha yeah okay that's nice
Aug 08 20:39:47 <brian|lfs> I'm not even sure how you would make a phoen call becuase you would run out of battery juice before you have a chance to make a phone call
Aug 08 20:39:52 <Dave> but preportedly, wifi doesn't
Aug 08 20:39:55 <Dave> nor does usb
Aug 08 20:39:58 <Dave> so :D
Aug 08 20:40:15 <alex-weej_> before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION!
Aug 08 20:40:17 <Infoport> cga: hold onto your working OS too...mine went into suspend after the first boot from SD, and then on reboot it has a kernel panic
Aug 08 20:40:22 <brian|lfs> the thing uses so much dam battery juice
Aug 08 20:40:39 <Pyrasi>  dosbox you say?  has anyone got any cool games running on dosbox on the fr?
Aug 08 20:41:09 <Infoport> cga: plus I'm only a few steps ahead of you :-D
Aug 08 20:41:26 <donomo> ive been on Om2008.8 for 3 hours. biggest problem: white screen of death. after unsleep, the screen is solid white.
Aug 08 20:41:26 <mmontour> Ko_deZ: I haven't seen any recent activity on the echo issue (#1267 in Trac). There has been some investigation (but no fixes AFAIK) regarding the GSM "buzz" interference
Aug 08 20:41:44 <linuxxr> lets see  ,, gps..  wifi..,,,gsm.., o  an a computer   +bluetooth   i guess its gonna burn some juice
Aug 08 20:42:12 <cga> arg
Aug 08 20:42:12 <cga> Infoport, but i leave the 2007.02 in NAND and put the rest in microSD. is that what you did?
Aug 08 20:42:16 <brian|lfs> it definitly takes longer ofr 68.3 megs to load instad of 41 megs
Aug 08 20:43:16 <Zorkman> haha, i read _on my freerunner_ that the iphone 3g will not whitstand rain
Aug 08 20:43:26 <Zorkman> the FR probably also not, but who cares :)
Aug 08 20:43:56 <Dave> I'm telling you, they should have made it a shower radio!
Aug 08 20:44:03 <brian|lfs> the funny thing is the iphone has a better screen lol
Aug 08 20:44:11 <Torikun> iphone has better everything
Aug 08 20:44:12 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:44:19 <Dave> untrue
Aug 08 20:44:19 <brian|lfs> ya lol
Aug 08 20:44:24 <Dave> it's contacts sucks
Aug 08 20:44:28 <Dave> then again, it doesn't segfault :P
Aug 08 20:44:28 <brian|lfs> I'm wonder why I boughrt a freerunner
Aug 08 20:44:30 <Torikun> i got tmobile
Aug 08 20:44:32 <Torikun> no iphone for me
Aug 08 20:44:33 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:44:38 <Infoport> cga: yes, but then you have to bootup with the boot menu and not just let it automatically boot (or it will be the 2007.2 you have in NAND)
Aug 08 20:44:40 <Dave> brian, as a shower radio?
Aug 08 20:45:03 <brian|lfs> I understnad there is going to be bugs
Aug 08 20:45:15 <brian|lfs> but I shouldn't have to write scripts and shit for GPrS lol
Aug 08 20:45:25 <cga> Infoport, yes i knew =) i need to boot NOR and then use the bootloader menu
Aug 08 20:45:34 <Zorkman> i hava had a lot of "Enlightenment SEGV'd" you too dave?
Aug 08 20:45:36 <Dave> yeah
Aug 08 20:45:39 <Dave> :D
Aug 08 20:45:47 <Dave> and don't forget PANICs :D
Aug 08 20:45:54 <Dave> I think it'd scared of me... :\
Aug 08 20:46:10 <brian|lfs> will my image is 3/4 loaded
Aug 08 20:46:13 <brian|lfs> ahs faield yet
Aug 08 20:46:53 <brian|lfs> wow my keyboard sucks
Aug 08 20:46:57 <Dave> lpotter what is presently in the qpkg repo? :)
Aug 08 20:47:19 <Torikun> nothing!
Aug 08 20:47:21 <cga> Infoport, anyway i was asking you about it to understand if it gave you troubles even if you didn't touch the NAND
Aug 08 20:47:22 <Torikun> soome snake game
Aug 08 20:47:44 <Dave> o.O
Aug 08 20:47:45 <Infoport> cga: actually, you can boot from the NAND bootmenu, you just choose that it boot from SD instead of NAND. When I got to the bootloader step, mine had a "Boot from Micr0SD (FAT+ext2)" option, but I am trying ext2+ext2
Aug 08 20:47:48 <Dave> snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakes!
Aug 08 20:48:01 <Dave> I'm tired of these motherfucking bugs on my motherfucking freerunner...
Aug 08 20:48:07 <Dave> ... that, and stupid qt snakes!
Aug 08 20:48:08 <Torikun> lmfao
Aug 08 20:48:12 <Torikun> ok sam jacksonl
Aug 08 20:48:13 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:48:15 <Dave> :D
Aug 08 20:48:16 <donomo> lol
Aug 08 20:48:20 <Torikun> Neo SLOWrunner
Aug 08 20:48:23 <Dave> huhu
Aug 08 20:48:24 <Torikun> lmfao
Aug 08 20:48:26 <mmontour> Infoport/cga - it is possible to boot from SD-card by default. Just put the SD-booting commands into the "bootcmd" (IIRC) env variable instead of "menu_X". If you do this you will also want to create a "NAND boot" menu entry
Aug 08 20:48:31 <Dave> too bad it's not a ho runner ;)
Aug 08 20:48:36 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:48:45 <Torikun> Neo can not use this phone in the Matrix
Aug 08 20:48:53 <Dave> that little bad black box be gettin' you mad bitches :p
Aug 08 20:48:59 <Dave> haha
Aug 08 20:49:01 <Torikun> I must of flashed this like 100 times already
Aug 08 20:49:05 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:49:07 <Dave> hot
Aug 08 20:49:13 <Dave> it's like you're a user
Aug 08 20:49:18 <Dave> and you need a FIX
Aug 08 20:49:24 <Infoport> mmontour/cga: true, but I wasnt ready to make this "new" image the defaulkt until I play with it more (and maybe some fixes/upgrades get pushed)
Aug 08 20:49:26 <Dave> ;P
Aug 08 20:49:31 <Torikun> Welcome to Linux:Be prepared to spend houses just like your desktop
Aug 08 20:49:46 <Dave> Yeah :D
Aug 08 20:49:46 <brian|lfs> ok my phone is booting
Aug 08 20:49:51 <brian|lfs> with the new image
Aug 08 20:49:55 <Dave> be glad it doesn't come with a mortgage :)
Aug 08 20:50:01 <Torikun> the price almost did
Aug 08 20:50:02 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:50:06 <Torikun> felt like a payment
Aug 08 20:50:06 <Dave> true true ;)
Aug 08 20:50:09 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 20:50:19 <Dave> and a piece of your sanity went with it!
Aug 08 20:50:20 <cga> mmaestri, fantastic =)
Aug 08 20:50:21 <cga> mmontour, so i can create multiple lines for sd booting in nand like for example grub with no splash?
Aug 08 20:50:23 <Torikun> anyone in san francisco
Aug 08 20:51:36 <Dave> Who ISN'T!? :D
Aug 08 20:51:37 <brian|lfs> stuck at 59 percent
Aug 08 20:51:45 <brian|lfs> oh going now
Aug 08 20:51:47 <mmontour> cga: not sure exactly what you're asking. You can create several different "menu_X" lines to do whatever you want, plus there's the "bootcmd" one that is executed if you don't go through the menu
Aug 08 20:51:47 <TankC> I was in Berkeley last week
Aug 08 20:51:59 <Dave> WE should TOTALLY have a party at lint's place!
Aug 08 20:52:00 <Torikun> Cool
Aug 08 20:52:00 <cga> Infoport, that for you as well (read above and sorry for not including your nick)
Aug 08 20:52:02 <Torikun> ok
Aug 08 20:52:03 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:52:08 <Dave> :D
Aug 08 20:52:13 <Dave> You bring the beer
Aug 08 20:52:16 <Dave> I'll bring the bitches
Aug 08 20:52:24 <Dave> oh, and someone bring the freerunners?
Aug 08 20:52:34 <Dave> I hear they help you get teh women...
Aug 08 20:52:37 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 20:52:45 <Dave> (just hope they come as actually advertized...)
Aug 08 20:52:47 <Dave> ;) ;) ;)
Aug 08 20:52:52 <mmontour> cga: the best way is to do a "printenv" and then spend some time figuring out what all of the environment variables are for. u-boot has a "help" command to explain what each of the commands is for
Aug 08 20:52:58 <Tanuva> Oh. That was NOT 2008.8 what I saw a few hours ago, it was just the daily build of the qtopia-x11 stack >.<
Aug 08 20:53:10 <Dave> Tanuva SURPRISE!
Aug 08 20:53:19 <Infoport> mmontour: is the uImage.bin assumed if you don't spell it out? and you spell it out for multiple kernel image (for multi-OS) ?
Aug 08 20:53:22 <cga> mmontour, cool thanks. i think i need to read the wiki about the bootloader and understand myself
Aug 08 20:53:28 <Tanuva> Dave: *g*
Aug 08 20:53:33 <Dave> :[
Aug 08 20:53:38 * Dave pats Tanuva
Aug 08 20:53:41 <xhr17> ...
Aug 08 20:53:46 <Tanuva> Dave: just skimming through the mailing list from today and saw the announcement :D
Aug 08 20:53:48 <xhr17> Daves not here, man.
Aug 08 20:53:49 <Dave> xhr: ellipsis.
Aug 08 20:53:52 <Dave> uggh
Aug 08 20:53:55 <Dave> -_-
Aug 08 20:53:58 <xhr17> :P
Aug 08 20:54:00 <Dave> Tanuva :D
Aug 08 20:54:32 <Dave> Does ANYONE here use the gtk image!?
Aug 08 20:54:40 * Tanuva remembers looking for new mail after wacken. 700 unread ones. >.<
Aug 08 20:54:47 <brian|lfs> wtf the thign went into suspsend and wouldn't come up lol
Aug 08 20:54:54 <Dave> :D
Aug 08 20:55:17 <Dave> apt summon speedevil
Aug 08 20:55:18 <apt> apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing speedevil's coordinates
Aug 08 20:55:20 <Zorkman> is there a way to get control over the "administrative lock" withouth rebooting the phone?
Aug 08 20:55:35 <Dave> :)
Aug 08 20:55:41 <Dave> admnistrative lock? sounds kinky...
Aug 08 20:55:41 <Infoport> brian|lfs: that on the 2008.8? I just had the same problem...ended in a kernel panic...something about not being able to sync VFS
Aug 08 20:55:46 <Dave> ... like tentacle rape :p
Aug 08 20:56:02 <brian|lfs> I pulled my battery
Aug 08 20:56:05 <brian|lfs> and am rebooting
Aug 08 20:56:07 <Dave> yeah :|
Aug 08 20:56:11 <brian|lfs> didn't see a kernel panic
Aug 08 20:56:13 <SpeedEvil> Dave: what?
Aug 08 20:56:14 <Dave> ieatlint: tentacool...
Aug 08 20:56:14 <mmontour> Infoport: you have to specify the filename in the ext2load/fatload command - there is no default. Some configs use an extra environment variable like ${sd_image_name} but this is not necessary.
Aug 08 20:56:35 <Dave> Speedevil, recommendation on best way to fully discharge one of the gta02 batteries, quickly and non-haphazardly :)
Aug 08 20:56:45 <mmontour> The preferred multi-OS configuration would be to have each OS (including its kernel) on a different partition, and in this case you could use the same "uImage.bin" name for each one.
Aug 08 20:57:03 <SpeedEvil> Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU
Aug 08 20:57:11 <brian|lfs> phone turned off again
Aug 08 20:57:15 <brian|lfs> before it finshed booting
Aug 08 20:57:16 <Dave> No youtoube please.
Aug 08 20:57:16 <brian|lfs> wtf
Aug 08 20:57:27 <Infoport> mmontour: that's what I meant to ask...is that variable what I replace with uImage-special-version.bin?
Aug 08 20:57:49 <Dave> brian, what are you doing to it, to make it go into hiding!?
Aug 08 20:57:49 <brian|lfs> oh suspend worked that time
Aug 08 20:58:18 <Dave> speedevil, and other information you could provide on this matter would be appreciated. :]
Aug 08 20:58:21 <mmontour> Infoport: just put the name directly into the command line, e.g. "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /boot/uImage-debug.bin"
Aug 08 20:58:34 <SpeedEvil> Dave: why can't you youtube?
Aug 08 20:58:40 <Dave> Fuck flash!
Aug 08 20:58:45 <Dave> No thanks.
Aug 08 20:58:45 <cga> mmaestri, Infoport please keep me in the discussion if you can =)
Aug 08 20:58:56 <Dave> Other than that, nothing :)
Aug 08 20:59:25 <cga> * mmontour, 
Aug 08 20:59:35 <Zorkman> i've got the answer for my own question: killall packagekitd
Aug 08 20:59:51 <brian|lfs> how do I get gsm on it don't seem to be on
Aug 08 20:59:52 <Dave> zorkman, oooh!
Aug 08 20:59:59 <Dave> is that what it was? :)
Aug 08 21:00:09 <Zorkman> i just didn't want to reboot...
Aug 08 21:00:30 <Dave> hehe ;)
Aug 08 21:00:34 <Dave> we never do
Aug 08 21:00:35 <Zorkman> i don't know what will wear out first: the flash from the reflashing or the buttons from rebooting
Aug 08 21:00:43 <Dave> with a 3-3.5minute boot time :P
Aug 08 21:00:50 <Dave> haha
Aug 08 21:01:04 <Dave> I'm pretty sure the first thing to go will undoubtedly be your patience :)
Aug 08 21:01:14 <Dave> wow
Aug 08 21:01:33 <Dave> So I'm guessing that five pages of FATAL: module not found from opkg is a bad thing...
Aug 08 21:01:52 <roh> Zorkman the buttons ;)
Aug 08 21:01:57 <Dave> Man, why does software like me so? ;)
Aug 08 21:02:00 <Torikun> how can you tell if your swap is on?
Aug 08 21:02:03 <Dave> roh, your sanity!
Aug 08 21:02:03 <brian|lfs> nevermidn jsut took a while to register on gsm
Aug 08 21:02:11 <Dave> It will be the first to go :)
Aug 08 21:02:19 <Zorkman> roh: you're an openmoko employee?
Aug 08 21:02:27 <Dave> haha employee?
Aug 08 21:02:29 <Zorkman> (just curious)
Aug 08 21:02:29 <roh> Dave who said one needs to be?
Aug 08 21:02:33 <Dave> What a euphemism.
Aug 08 21:02:38 <Dave> Roh ;)
Aug 08 21:02:55 <Dave> He is an indentured servant ;)
Aug 08 21:03:05 <roh> Zorkman i am working for the project and get paid, so depending on the pov one could say that
Aug 08 21:03:22 <Dave> more like mad programmer
Aug 08 21:03:28 <Torikun> how can you tell if your swap is being used?
Aug 08 21:03:30 <brian|lfs> they could of fixed the wifi before release
Aug 08 21:03:31 * Dave eyes roh's white coat
Aug 08 21:03:33 <mmontour> Torikun: "cat /proc/swaps" or "free" will show this
Aug 08 21:03:36 <brian|lfs> thats always helpful lol
Aug 08 21:04:48 <Infoport> cga: sorry, didnt mean to leave you out. pretty much mmontour confirms we can do it like grub, just gotta specify the image name in each Menu_ line. I was trying to stop giving advice right then b/c I haven't tried that myself yet...havent gotten my new image working quiet yet it seems (thinking it may be b/c of the automount of the SD partitions...mentioned in the wiki page) Like I said, I'm only a few steps ahead of you-- mmo
Aug 08 21:04:49 <Infoport> ntour seems to have the headstart!
Aug 08 21:05:27 <Dave> OH
Aug 08 21:05:29 <Dave> Mmontour
Aug 08 21:05:41 <Dave> I have a hilarious and somewhat scary power bug to add to the hw mailing list :)
Aug 08 21:05:41 * mmontour has been using the same rootfs-on-SD (with opkg updates) since last December
Aug 08 21:06:50 <tdobson> ok. question. where can i get a *om2007.2* image from
Aug 08 21:07:01 <Dave> Speedevil, so I'm at work the other day, in an office, typing away on the desktop and letting my freerunner sit next to me, charging (plugged into the same power strip as the computer + monitor). While working, the CRT frequently *zapped* and flickered funkily, as if being surged.
Aug 08 21:07:11 <Dave> More curiously is how it kept waking the fr up when it happened
Aug 08 21:07:23 <mmontour> Dave: sounds like GSM interference
Aug 08 21:07:24 <Dave> out of sleep
Aug 08 21:07:34 <Dave> yeah, but what the fuck?
Aug 08 21:08:02 <Dave> it's a tiny device, how could it be causing such ominous of an issue? :)
Aug 08 21:08:13 <Dave> I mean, it's draw is rather small, comparatively.
Aug 08 21:08:22 <cga> Infoport, mmontour so just to make sure: 1 partition with (per say) 3 kernels (one for each os) named $whatever and 3 partitions one for each os and then adjust the bootloader with Menu_kernel{1,2,3} booting from SD but giving me a choice at boot. and an entry to boot from NAND? right?
Aug 08 21:08:25 <Dave> I guess that's what primarily confused and/or interested me.
Aug 08 21:08:30 <mmontour> The GSM will wake up on certain events (not sure of the details - switching to a different tower or something), and GSM radios are known for interfering with nearby electronics
Aug 08 21:09:22 <cga> Infoport, mmontour errata corrige: 3 partitions for 3 rootfs
Aug 08 21:09:43 <Dave> mmontour :(
Aug 08 21:10:02 <Dave> mmontour I suspect it was more than that, however :(
Aug 08 21:10:05 <mmontour> cga: 3 partitions in total, each with a kernel and a rootfs (having the kernel on its own partition was a workaround for a u-boot bug that's now fixed)
Aug 08 21:10:11 <brian|lfs> you still here si-ni 
Aug 08 21:10:18 <cga> mmontour, cool
Aug 08 21:10:20 <Dave> In other news, how do I unbrick my qtopia?
Aug 08 21:10:21 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 21:10:51 <Zorkman> i'd hit it
Aug 08 21:11:12 <cga> Infoport, mmontour thanks alot for discussing this with me, it cleared my mind and now i can start =)
Aug 08 21:11:15 <Dave> hah
Aug 08 21:11:18 <Dave> BLEND IT!? :D
Aug 08 21:11:53 <CVirus> will it blend ?
Aug 08 21:11:53 <Infoport> mmontour, cga: I may re-partition then if it doesn't need that kernel-partition. good to know!
Aug 08 21:11:53 <Zorkman> wait till i have my invisbleshield, then it will be unblendable! :)
Aug 08 21:12:04 <Dave> haha
Aug 08 21:12:10 <Dave> cloaking device, activate!
Aug 08 21:12:24 <undrwater> what other device might dfu-util list?  the OM is not the only one on my machine!
Aug 08 21:12:28 <Dave> that reminds me, speedevil, do you have your phone hooked up to an external display? :)
Aug 08 21:12:43 <Dave> undrwater: haha
Aug 08 21:12:46 <Dave> sneaky :p
Aug 08 21:13:10 <Zorkman> maybe your freerunner is pregnant?
Aug 08 21:13:12 <undrwater> Dave: truly
Aug 08 21:13:36 <Dave> BABIES!
Aug 08 21:13:40 <Dave> aww how cute :)
Aug 08 21:13:41 <undrwater> Zorkman: no...maybe it made babies in my pc...cause the other device is listed before i plug in
Aug 08 21:14:22 <qhartman> undrwater: probably a usb bluetooth device
Aug 08 21:14:32 <undrwater> qhartman: that would make sense!
Aug 08 21:14:43 <qhartman> undrwater: I have one in my laptop that shows up in dfu-util as well
Aug 08 21:14:44 <tdobson> guys. is there *anywhere* where one can still get a freerunner 2007.2 image?
Aug 08 21:14:49 <undrwater> but i like the idea of babies better
Aug 08 21:15:11 <brian|lfs> doe sanyone know if AT&T uses PAP or chap?
Aug 08 21:15:25 <Zorkman> undrwater that must be because you are in Los Angeles, a lot of FBI there
Aug 08 21:15:30 <mmontour> Infoport: make sure that you have a new u-boot, and that you always boot from NAND when you're sd-booting (as the NOR version of u-boot will still have the bug)
Aug 08 21:16:15 * mjr would be surprised if AT&T bothered their users with either pap or chap; at least the finnish providers don't, since well, if you'
Aug 08 21:16:17 <undrwater> Zorkman: attaching devices to my machine? (couldn't make the connection between FBI and babies)
Aug 08 21:16:25 <mjr> re on the network, you're already authenticated
Aug 08 21:16:33 <Zorkman> they even hired the pixies to do a song to tip other agents about you (an undrwater guy who controlled the sea)
Aug 08 21:16:41 <Dave> intruders!
Aug 08 21:17:00 <Zorkman> no, it's a secret plan of them to make bionical machines, can't you see?
Aug 08 21:17:06 <Dave> :O
Aug 08 21:17:09 <Dave> scary :x
Aug 08 21:17:27 <undrwater> OpenMoko is a governmental conspiracy coorp?
Aug 08 21:17:56 <Zorkman> sure, FIC is a three letter word, ever three letter word has something to do with an agency, FBI, KGB, CIA, MI6... you name it
Aug 08 21:18:02 <Infoport> mmontour: I flashed a newer uBoot a few days ago (reports Aug 5 2008 at top of screen) Did you put the mmcblk into into a blacklist (like in the Wiki under Appendix on Boot_fron_SD)
Aug 08 21:18:33 <tdobson> ok *is* it possible to get 2007.2 back?
Aug 08 21:18:44 <Zorkman> of course, flash your device
Aug 08 21:18:53 * undrwater hitchhikes on Infoport's conversation
Aug 08 21:18:54 <Zorkman> but don't come whining when the fed's bust your ass
Aug 08 21:18:58 <mmontour> undrwater: probably a USB-attached bluetooth adapter. Use "-d" to specify the FR's vendor:product ID to dfu-util (it's something:5119)
Aug 08 21:18:59 <xhr17> ok, time to go home...
Aug 08 21:19:14 <McKael> Is there a limit on the number of partitions u-boot can read?
Aug 08 21:19:30 <undrwater> mmontour: yeah...i figured out the -d switch...just curious what else dfu-util might recognize
Aug 08 21:19:32 <McKael> I can see parts 1 and 2, but not the 3rd
Aug 08 21:19:49 <tdobson> Zorkman: where do you propose getting the iamges from?
Aug 08 21:20:13 <tdobson> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ # contains 2008 only
Aug 08 21:20:25 <Zorkman> tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/
Aug 08 21:20:29 <Dave> ^_^
Aug 08 21:20:34 <Zorkman> 2008 is the date tdobson
Aug 08 21:20:35 <Dave> is it really worth it, zorkman? :P
Aug 08 21:20:43 <Dave> watchout, it could be a trap!
Aug 08 21:20:50 <Zorkman> tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is 2007.2 immage
Aug 08 21:20:51 <tdobson> Zorkman: yes but i want to reflash om2007.2
Aug 08 21:20:55 <tdobson> i am using 2008.8
Aug 08 21:21:06 <Infoport> tdobson: here is 2007.11 (November update of orig OS) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/
Aug 08 21:21:08 <Dave> heehee
Aug 08 21:21:09 <tdobson> what?
Aug 08 21:21:12 <tdobson> really?
Aug 08 21:21:15 <Dave> is it really that drastically different? ;)
Aug 08 21:21:16 <Zorkman> tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is 2007.2, believe me, i'm on your side
Aug 08 21:21:40 <tdobson> Zorkman: well i can't be more fucked than iam with 2008 so i'll believe you :P
Aug 08 21:21:47 <jadams_> Chox, I got debian up on it
Aug 08 21:21:59 <Zorkman> if it says openmoko-devel-image it's 2007.2, if it says openmoko-qopia-x11 it's some kind of monster (not 2008.8, but something of a leper)
Aug 08 21:22:06 <Infoport> tdobson: Zorkman is right...that would be the DAILY build of 2007.2
Aug 08 21:22:21 * undrwater played with the leper
Aug 08 21:22:24 <Torikun> Anyone enable swap on their phone
Aug 08 21:22:32 <Torikun> I did not notice a performance increase
Aug 08 21:22:48 <tdobson> Torikun: i have done in the past and yes i noticed the same thing
Aug 08 21:22:51 <undrwater> Torikun: where'd you put a swap? and file or partition?
Aug 08 21:22:56 <Zorkman> no, but withouth swap it's a like running in a swamp.. so can't be worse
Aug 08 21:22:57 <Torikun> microSD
Aug 08 21:23:20 <Torikun> the 500MB card that came with it
Aug 08 21:23:22 <Zorkman> heard someone got performance increase, eventhough it seemed the extra swap  was not being used
Aug 08 21:23:24 <Tanuva> yay. I just crashed 2008.8 by switching profiles.
Aug 08 21:23:33 <Torikun> my swap is not being used
Aug 08 21:23:41 * ssweeny doesn't think swap on a sd card would buy you much
Aug 08 21:23:45 <undrwater> Torikun: file or partition?
Aug 08 21:23:54 <Torikun> cat /etc/swaps
Aug 08 21:23:57 <Torikun> *.proc/swaps
Aug 08 21:24:03 <Torikun> that file shows 0%
Aug 08 21:24:10 <undrwater> free?
Aug 08 21:24:22 <Torikun> 0% used
Aug 08 21:24:40 <mmontour> McKael: I don't know the limits. I would expect it to work for up to 4 Primary partitions (don't know if u-boot supports logical/extended partitions). 
Aug 08 21:24:42 <Ko_deZ> what would be the proper way ton install new modules on the freerunner? Copy them using scp, or can one use dfu-util for that?
Aug 08 21:24:53 * undrwater wonders if swap on SD would just entail purchase of more SD cards
Aug 08 21:25:23 <Zorkman> anyone tried screen rotation on 2008.8? still have a sort of offset bug...
Aug 08 21:25:33 <undrwater> Ko_deZ: opkg install? or are you thinking of something else?
Aug 08 21:25:37 <Dave> Does it? :|
Aug 08 21:25:39 <ssweeny> how does one achieve screen rotation on 2008.8?
Aug 08 21:25:51 <Ko_deZ> undrwater: I use the Qtopia build.
Aug 08 21:25:51 * tdobson was going to ask the same question
Aug 08 21:25:52 <Dave> I know the previous version definitely still does :P
Aug 08 21:25:55 <Torikun> how can I try and test ssweeny
Aug 08 21:26:06 <tdobson> come to that, how do you achieve *anything* on 2008.8
Aug 08 21:26:09 <Ko_deZ> undrwater: I guess opkg is an option. I will investigate it.
Aug 08 21:26:22 * ssweeny cannot achieve mounting the damn sd card on 2008.8
Aug 08 21:26:36 <Dave> haha, indeed.
Aug 08 21:26:40 <Torikun> ssweeny: it is a different dev entrie mmblo something
Aug 08 21:26:48 <undrwater> what i gather here: 2008.8 is a winner!
Aug 08 21:26:50 <Dave> rut roh!
Aug 08 21:26:55 <undrwater> oops...forgot an "e"
Aug 08 21:26:59 <Torikun> undrwater: 200808 was supposed to blow our minds
Aug 08 21:27:00 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:27:09 <Dave> [dfu-util] not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
Aug 08 21:27:15 <Dave> [dfu-util] Lost device after RESET?
Aug 08 21:27:21 <Dave> What?
Aug 08 21:27:24 <undrwater> Torikun: still having fun?
Aug 08 21:27:28 <Dave> Torikun, that it did, apparently!
Aug 08 21:27:29 <Torikun> hell na
Aug 08 21:27:30 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:27:37 <Dave> like WHOA MAN
Aug 08 21:27:41 <Dave> this is heavy stuff :p
Aug 08 21:27:45 <Torikun> It blew my mind the way married folks do not get blown
Aug 08 21:27:50 <Zorkman> XorA: i still have an offset bug in 2008.8, just to let you know
Aug 08 21:27:56 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 21:27:57 <Tanuva> yay. 8.8 has hardcore suspend, just after the light goes out after boot it doesn't ever come back...
Aug 08 21:27:57 <ssweeny> Torikun, i have nothing like that in /dev
Aug 08 21:27:59 <tdobson> Torikun: it has psychodelic icons doesn't it... it's completely different to 2007.3...
Aug 08 21:28:02 <Dave> psychologically
Aug 08 21:28:17 <tdobson> "(22:27:47) Torikun: It blew my mind the way married folks do not get blown" # ROFL
Aug 08 21:28:19 <Torikun> the icons look liked I have graphics issues
Aug 08 21:28:31 <Dave> either that or lsd issues :p
Aug 08 21:28:38 <tdobson> hehe
Aug 08 21:28:42 <Dave> There should be a warning about that
Aug 08 21:28:46 <Dave> It's not the LCD, it's the LSD!
Aug 08 21:28:55 <McKael> mmontour: I was expecting that too, but it doesn't recognize the partition #3
Aug 08 21:28:59 <undrwater> i'm not a fan of the icons either...but that's relatively easy to change i imagine
Aug 08 21:29:06 <mmaestri> have any of you tried pyneo? http://pyneo.org
Aug 08 21:29:12 <Tanuva> undrwater: it definitely is.
Aug 08 21:29:12 <Torikun> lol oh sure undrwater maybe about 5 re-flashes
Aug 08 21:29:20 <Zorkman> Dave: if you know "flight of the conchords": david bowies lsd screen :)
Aug 08 21:29:31 <Dave> gawd
Aug 08 21:29:32 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 21:29:35 <Zorkman> i like the icons
Aug 08 21:29:43 <McKael> mmontour: #1 and #2 can be read correctly, all are ext3
Aug 08 21:29:52 <mmaestri> i'm flashing it right now, i've heard that it's like fso
Aug 08 21:30:11 <Dave> It's like doing what now?
Aug 08 21:30:15 <mmontour> McKael: I've had success with 3 partitions before. Maybe there's something about the format of your partition table that it doesn't like (don't have time right now to help with troubleshooting)
Aug 08 21:30:30 <McKael> mmontour: ok
Aug 08 21:30:35 <Torikun> Where is 20080809 lol
Aug 08 21:30:47 <McKael> mmontour: what was your sdcard size?  could that be the issue?
Aug 08 21:31:04 <McKael> (mine is a 8GB)
Aug 08 21:31:17 <cga> is SanDisk 16GB SDHC supported?
Aug 08 21:31:21 <cga> i want to buy one
Aug 08 21:31:24 <Dave> YES
Aug 08 21:31:26 <Dave> gogogo
Aug 08 21:31:30 <cga> COOL!!!
Aug 08 21:31:34 <mjr> cga, is it a _micro_SDHC?
Aug 08 21:31:36 <Torikun> haha he will fail
Aug 08 21:31:37 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:31:38 <Dave> Torikun, Get Tomorrow, Today!@
Aug 08 21:31:46 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:31:52 <Dave> openmoko's motto!
Aug 08 21:32:01 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:32:02 <cga> mjr, i guess so. anyway i'll search for microSDHC
Aug 08 21:32:02 <Dave> they just don't supply any subsequent information along those lines
Aug 08 21:32:06 <Tanuva> If tomorrow's like today is, I don't want it.
Aug 08 21:32:11 <Torikun> Openmoko Motto: DO nothing, today! Got jffs2?
Aug 08 21:32:17 <Dave> (about the ensuing epic fail that accompanies it) :)
Aug 08 21:32:26 <Dave> woo.
Aug 08 21:32:49 <tdobson> openmoko's motto. if it works today, something is wrong.
Aug 08 21:32:54 <undrwater> hrm...what i like best so far is the rotating asterisk that dissappears...
Aug 08 21:32:54 <Torikun> lolol
Aug 08 21:32:57 <ConfidentiaL> what command is used instead of "dir" in openmoko?
Aug 08 21:33:06 <Dave> mmontour, does anyone else's bluetooth work yet!?
Aug 08 21:33:06 <donomo> tdobson: lol
Aug 08 21:33:12 <Torikun> OpenMoko: New features *cough* I mean bugs in todays release
Aug 08 21:33:19 <Torikun> ls ConfidentiaL
Aug 08 21:33:19 <Tanuva> ah. now I found out. It's the xserver f*ed up.
Aug 08 21:33:33 <cga> ConfidentiaL, in *nix and therefore you can use dir but ls is better
Aug 08 21:33:42 <cga> *therefore Openmoko
Aug 08 21:33:51 <Tanuva> ConfidentiaL: dir is just linked to "ls -l"
Aug 08 21:34:15 <ConfidentiaL> oh, ok, thanks :)
Aug 08 21:34:26 <tdobson> oh they are new features all right... the sort of new features that bring hours of caffeine induced head aches and stuff. no-one bought a neo and didn't expect one did they?
Aug 08 21:34:35 <cga> Tanuva, nope.
Aug 08 21:34:36 <Tanuva> I'm beginning not to love 8.8...
Aug 08 21:34:38 <Dave> Confidential!
Aug 08 21:34:40 <cga> cga@braith:~$ ls -l /bin/dir 
Aug 08 21:34:40 <cga> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 92376 2008-04-04 08:42 /bin/dir
Aug 08 21:34:47 <Tanuva> cga: nope?
Aug 08 21:34:51 <Dave> Gives new meaning to the phrase... "Summer Love"... ~_~
Aug 08 21:34:51 <cga> read above
Aug 08 21:34:54 * Dave hides
Aug 08 21:35:05 <Tanuva> cga: oh. then it was in suse a few years ago but isn't anymore :D
Aug 08 21:35:09 * Torikun should of paid to cancel Tmobile and buy iphone
Aug 08 21:35:11 <cga> =)
Aug 08 21:35:14 <ConfidentiaL> Dave: ? :P
Aug 08 21:35:15 * tdobson loves 8.8 just wishes it had all the functionality of 2007.2 I guess the people at SHR had the same idea!
Aug 08 21:35:16 <mmontour> Dave: haven't heard of any successes with headset audio. Someone had A2DP audio sort-of working. In the past I have had PAND and DUND networking working.
Aug 08 21:35:42 <Torikun> Why has their been no package updates yet!
Aug 08 21:35:43 <Dave> yeah but no other headset audio successes?
Aug 08 21:35:54 <mmontour> I haven't heard of any.
Aug 08 21:35:59 <Dave> Torikun, clearly, things are too busy exploding.
Aug 08 21:36:02 <Torikun> they have so much forum bug issues and no updates
Aug 08 21:36:06 <Dave> Please try to remain calm.
Aug 08 21:36:14 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:36:14 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:36:23 <cga`flashing`Neo> see you later
Aug 08 21:36:29 <Torikun> TO fix that issue please type the following command....oh shit X just died
Aug 08 21:36:35 <brian|lfs> would the user name be WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM and the password be CINGULAR1 I'm going by the table its a bit confusing
Aug 08 21:37:07 <Dave> singulair
Aug 08 21:37:18 <brian|lfs> huh
Aug 08 21:37:21 <brian|lfs> thats the drug lol
Aug 08 21:37:24 <Torikun> Neo Slow Runner: For those who don't need phone calls
Aug 08 21:37:28 <Dave> yeah
Aug 08 21:37:35 <Zorkman> :)
Aug 08 21:37:35 <Dave> it may be required for prolonged freerunner usage
Aug 08 21:37:36 <Dave> :P
Aug 08 21:37:43 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:37:50 <Dave> I could see someone needing some...
Aug 08 21:37:55 <brian|lfs> I'm being serious I'm trying to get GPRS to work
Aug 08 21:38:06 <Dave> either from excessive yelling/screaming, getting overworked, or just dying of rofling.
Aug 08 21:38:12 <Dave> Brian, oh :x
Aug 08 21:38:13 <Torikun> the dam phone doe not even use swap!
Aug 08 21:38:14 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:38:20 <tdobson> brian|lfs: no idea. sorry
Aug 08 21:38:21 <Dave> I've actually had success in that department.
Aug 08 21:38:25 <Dave> But I'm about to step out.
Aug 08 21:38:26 <Torikun> But it can make a phone call in 100Clicks!
Aug 08 21:38:28 <brian|lfs> I guess I could ping the server see if its valid
Aug 08 21:38:46 <Dave> Torikun, and it doesn't ring the receiving phone for over a minute!
Aug 08 21:38:47 <Dave> :D
Aug 08 21:38:47 <Torikun> you choose to dial a contact, then you have to click on the number then dial after you click dial
Aug 08 21:38:54 <Dave> Surprize callz!
Aug 08 21:39:17 <Torikun> and Wifi is not even functional lol
Aug 08 21:39:27 <spdr_> does wifi work on om2008 ?
Aug 08 21:39:36 <Dave> works fine, just not in the latest version
Aug 08 21:39:36 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 21:39:37 <Torikun> spdr_: I was not able to connect to any access point
Aug 08 21:39:39 <brian|lfs> ya cingulargprs.com gives me a reply
Aug 08 21:39:39 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:39:41 <Dave> or sort of works
Aug 08 21:39:47 <Torikun> Dave: It works on the version that you do not have
Aug 08 21:39:48 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:39:53 <cjb> brian|lfs: oh, do you have GPRS working on AT&T?
Aug 08 21:39:54 <spdr_> Torikun, even with no security ?
Aug 08 21:39:55 <Dave> huzzah
Aug 08 21:39:58 <Dave> sounds ike it
Aug 08 21:40:01 <cjb> I haven;t been able to get it working, so a recipe would be good
Aug 08 21:40:04 <Dave> cjb, yeah it works fine for me.
Aug 08 21:40:04 <brian|lfs> not you woorking on making it work
Aug 08 21:40:13 <brian|lfs> yet
Aug 08 21:40:14 <Dave> it's just slow or unpredictable sometimes.
Aug 08 21:40:15 <Torikun> In soviet Russia, FreeRunner runs you!
Aug 08 21:40:16 <cjb> ooh.
Aug 08 21:40:19 <brian|lfs> tryign to understand the wiki lol
Aug 08 21:40:32 <Dave> Torikun, we wish! At least then, SOMETHING would be running! ;)
Aug 08 21:40:36 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:40:47 <Dave> ;)
Aug 08 21:40:54 * Torikun kicks self, should of bought a iphone............
Aug 08 21:41:19 <Torikun> Dave: are you on the mailing list? its so busy now
Aug 08 21:41:19 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:41:21 <Dave> Try to trade with someone :P
Aug 08 21:41:25 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:41:26 <Dave> Torikun, perhaps.
Aug 08 21:41:36 <Dave> I will neither confirm or deny that statement.
Aug 08 21:41:42 <Dave> :p
Aug 08 21:41:48 <Torikun> oh your phone not working
Aug 08 21:41:49 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:42:01 <tdobson> Torikun: you can bet iphone uses don't have this much fun though :P
Aug 08 21:42:05 <Torikun> true
Aug 08 21:42:06 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:42:07 <Dave> what the hell is splash-write?
Aug 08 21:42:16 <Torikun> tdobson: iphone users can make phone calls and surf the web lol
Aug 08 21:42:19 <Zorkman> is there a way to add files to the qtopia mediaplayer? in 2008.8?
Aug 08 21:42:30 <Torikun> Zorkman: I freaking hope so, what is the point then
Aug 08 21:42:31 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:42:39 <Zorkman> i can't seem to find a way :)à
Aug 08 21:42:39 <tdobson> Torikun: corrent me if I'm wrong, but I can do that on 2007.2
Aug 08 21:42:47 <Torikun> Qtopia Media Player: Press play and exit
Aug 08 21:42:48 <Dave> speedevil, we have a problem :(
Aug 08 21:42:55 <SpeedEvil> ?
Aug 08 21:42:57 <Torikun> maybe
Aug 08 21:42:58 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:43:01 <Zorkman> Torikun: but i can on the otherhand "reset my shuffle" :d
Aug 08 21:43:03 <undrwater> it's a wee bit faster
Aug 08 21:43:10 <Torikun> lo
Aug 08 21:43:11 <Dave> One of my phone appears to no longer be able to charge ANY battery past a certain point...
Aug 08 21:43:19 <Dave> I've swapped out three now.
Aug 08 21:43:20 <SpeedEvil> Dave: do you own a voltmeteR?
Aug 08 21:43:21 <tdobson> dahaha
Aug 08 21:43:26 <Torikun> dam gps stopped working
Aug 08 21:43:26 <Dave> Several
Aug 08 21:43:26 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:43:28 <Torikun> figures
Aug 08 21:43:29 <tdobson> oops
Aug 08 21:43:40 <Dave> Torikun, don't worry... THEY know where you are... >:)
Aug 08 21:43:51 <Dave> (take some comfort in that?)
Aug 08 21:43:52 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:43:52 <SpeedEvil> Dave: I haven't inspected GTA02 schematics.
Aug 08 21:43:56 <Dave> :(
Aug 08 21:43:57 <Zorkman> Torikun: if i press play nothing hapens, can't find a way to add the files
Aug 08 21:43:58 <Torikun> they cancome here and fix this shit da
Aug 08 21:43:58 <SpeedEvil> Dave: what's the terminal volts?
Aug 08 21:44:04 <Dave> I will check them
Aug 08 21:44:09 <cjb> SpeedEvil: Your colon is bold once more.
Aug 08 21:44:16 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Aug 08 21:44:28 <Dave> Should the battery be getting this hot, this quickly o.O
Aug 08 21:44:29 <Tanuva> not for me...
Aug 08 21:44:38 <Torikun> Dave: Ofcourse in this early stage
Aug 08 21:44:38 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:44:49 * Dave ducks for cover
Aug 08 21:44:50 <SpeedEvil> cjb: it's on a different computer.
Aug 08 21:44:53 <linuxxr> im thinking u have a bad batt
Aug 08 21:45:00 <SpeedEvil> cjb: /me tries to remember how to fix that.
Aug 08 21:45:08 <linuxxr> did u buy the spares kit?
Aug 08 21:45:14 <Dave> cjb :']
Aug 08 21:45:17 <Torikun> calls wife on 20080808
Aug 08 21:45:26 <Torikun> and dial closed on me
Aug 08 21:45:27 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:45:33 <Torikun> wtf
Aug 08 21:45:34 * Dave hopes she doesn't leave him.
Aug 08 21:45:34 <linuxxr> tori  can u hear her?
Aug 08 21:45:46 <Torikun> trying again
Aug 08 21:45:53 <Torikun> this is more of a venting chat room
Aug 08 21:45:58 <Zorkman> lpotter: do you know how to add files to the qtopia mediaplayer?
Aug 08 21:46:01 <Torikun> dial closed agin gsm is not working
Aug 08 21:46:13 <linuxxr> i couldnt hear or be heard
Aug 08 21:46:22 <Torikun> linuxxr: I made a lot of phone calls earlier
Aug 08 21:46:29 <Torikun> worked good
Aug 08 21:46:38 <linuxxr> maybe alsa?
Aug 08 21:46:45 <Torikun> sure
Aug 08 21:46:49 <lpotter> Zorkman: put them in ~/Documents or on the sd card
Aug 08 21:46:57 <Torikun> when in doubt, reimage@!]
Aug 08 21:47:09 <Zorkman> thanks, i could find it immediatly on the trolltech site
Aug 08 21:47:23 <Torikun> lpotter: when is the next qtopia image coming out
Aug 08 21:47:24 <tkep> where is resolv.conf in om2008?!
Aug 08 21:47:28 <tkep> i finally got in
Aug 08 21:47:36 <Torikun> tkep: you have toscp it from your usb pc
Aug 08 21:47:44 <spdr_> /etc
Aug 08 21:47:49 <spdr_> i suppose the sudden shutdowns are not for saving power, huh?
Aug 08 21:47:50 <Zorkman> lpotter: i boot from sd card, where is that documents folder located? under /home/root?
Aug 08 21:48:08 <tkep> so i have to touch resolv.conf
Aug 08 21:48:34 <spdr_> echo it
Aug 08 21:48:44 <tkep> i'm good :)
Aug 08 21:48:45 <Zorkman> lpotter: if i place my *.m3u in /home/root/Documents/ it doesn't see it
Aug 08 21:48:51 <tkep> i just wanted to make sure it wasn't moved
Aug 08 21:48:56 <tkep> odd there isn't a default file
Aug 08 21:48:58 <tkep> but whatever
Aug 08 21:49:03 <Torikun> Dave you can probably figure out why they made the case so strong and durable.......from us thowing it against the wall
Aug 08 21:49:19 <Zorkman> is it strang and durable? :)
Aug 08 21:49:22 <Zorkman> *strong
Aug 08 21:49:24 <Torikun> looks like it Zorkman
Aug 08 21:49:31 <spdr_> is the installer ok on om2008? seems to take forever
Aug 08 21:49:34 <Torikun> I think it can take a few kernel panic errors
Aug 08 21:49:56 <Dave> >:)
Aug 08 21:50:01 <Dave> Yeeeeeeeeth
Aug 08 21:50:07 <Dave> Let the hate flow THROUGH you... >:)
Aug 08 21:50:10 <Torikun> llol
Aug 08 21:50:19 <Torikun> It flows so strong from my head to my phone
Aug 08 21:50:20 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:50:23 <Torikun> and from the phone to the wall
Aug 08 21:50:27 <Dave> bash
Aug 08 21:50:36 <Torikun> they is why they incluided the bash shell
Aug 08 21:51:19 <Torikun> The year of the Linux Desktop will beat the year of the Linux phone
Aug 08 21:51:24 <donomo> is anyone getting the white screen of death after unsleeping Om2008.8?
Aug 08 21:51:42 <Zorkman> can anybody ply mp3 streams on the openmoko-mediaplayer?
Aug 08 21:51:46 <Zorkman> or on the qtopia one?
Aug 08 21:51:51 <Torikun> Zorkman: did you install the plugins
Aug 08 21:51:54 <Torikun> for gstream
Aug 08 21:51:57 <Zorkman> i can only do it with mplayer, but then i don't have a gui
Aug 08 21:52:04 <Zorkman> no, i'll search opkg
Aug 08 21:52:11 <Tanuva> and 8.8 crashed completely once again. returning to fso...
Aug 08 21:52:19 <Torikun> i may go back to qtopia
Aug 08 21:52:20 <Torikun> lol
Aug 08 21:52:27 <Torikun> my 8 just crashed
Aug 08 21:52:45 <donomo> Tanuva: im also returning to FSO, though i like the auto-sleep on 2008.8
Aug 08 21:52:47 <undrwater> Torikun: user error
Aug 08 21:52:50 <undrwater> GIGO
Aug 08 21:52:55 <Torikun> ha
Aug 08 21:53:10 <Tanuva> who said 8.8 would be kind of "stable"?
Aug 08 21:53:17 <Torikun> dam website
Aug 08 21:53:28 <Tanuva> no, mailinglist
Aug 08 21:53:50 <Tanuva> I know this is a developer phone and I see it like that - but one shouldn't promise things that aren't there...
Aug 08 21:53:52 <undrwater> i don't care about that...i like the FSO concept...having some kind of "home screen" that makes the phone app easily accessible
Aug 08 21:54:01 <undrwater> even 2007.2 had that
Aug 08 21:54:02 <Zorkman> Torikun: it says gstreamer is up to date
Aug 08 21:54:13 <Torikun> hmm
Aug 08 21:54:16 <Zorkman> but 2007.2 says i need a plugin
Aug 08 21:54:24 <undrwater> i hope some kind of zhone thing gets included
Aug 08 21:54:33 * tdobson is seeing lots of parallels between 2008.8 and kde4
Aug 08 21:54:43 * Tanuva too
Aug 08 21:55:08 * Zorkman needs a text/uri-list decoder plugin for gstreamer
Aug 08 21:55:20 <Torikun> we need major updates tonight for 20080808
Aug 08 21:55:23 <tdobson> radical, new, interesting, possibly released early, under appreciated, needing more features on .0 release...
Aug 08 21:55:34 <Zorkman> anybody tried opkg upgrade on 2008.8?
Aug 08 21:55:57 <undrwater> yep...nothing yet...but i haven't added celtune or angstrom yet
Aug 08 21:56:17 <Zorkman> a lot of upgrades when you add celtune..
Aug 08 21:56:26 <spdr_> "root      1907  0.0  0.4   2568   520 ?        S    00:38   0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen an
Aug 08 21:56:26 <spdr_> " 
Aug 08 21:56:32 <spdr_> anyone seen this ^ ?
Aug 08 21:56:35 <Zorkman> jup
Aug 08 21:57:02 <Zorkman> got it first when i had installed 2008.8 on the SD card with a tar.gz file kd8ikt made
Aug 08 21:57:50 <undrwater> is phone still suspending in middle of convo?
Aug 08 21:58:26 <Tanuva> did fsom2 resume successfully anywhere?
Aug 08 21:58:51 <undrwater> oops...forgot to add terminal
Aug 08 21:58:51 <tdobson> spdr_: what distro qtopia?
Aug 08 21:58:55 <Tanuva> mine just starts to sleep and never wakes up again... :'(
Aug 08 21:59:06 <spdr_> tdobson, im now on om2008
Aug 08 21:59:15 <tdobson> oh right. same thing.
Aug 08 21:59:26 <tdobson> erm. it's not meant to happen.
Aug 08 21:59:39 <spdr_> i can see that :)
Aug 08 22:00:40 <spdr_> the only system i got my wifi working was qtopia
Aug 08 22:00:51 <spdr_> and there is no browser for it ? :\
Aug 08 22:00:59 <Zorkman> 2007.2 wifi worked allright for me
Aug 08 22:01:04 <undrwater> openmoko-browser2?
Aug 08 22:01:14 <Zorkman> i like minimo
Aug 08 22:01:30 <undrwater> i think minimo is in celtune
Aug 08 22:01:38 <spdr_> qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 that is
Aug 08 22:02:00 <Zorkman> minimo runs fine
Aug 08 22:02:18 <undrwater> what's the other one?...
Aug 08 22:02:19 <spdr_> are you sure?
Aug 08 22:02:31 <spdr_> lets see ..
Aug 08 22:02:45 <brian|lfs> ok the first set of usernames and passwords I tried don't work
Aug 08 22:04:16 <Zorkman> anybody got openmoko-eightball running on 2008.8.
Aug 08 22:04:36 <brian|lfs> I can't get the installer to owrk even
Aug 08 22:05:00 <spdr_> is the led supposed to be constantly on ?
Aug 08 22:05:19 <brian|lfs> that means its charging it will shut off mine did
Aug 08 22:05:19 <trix> led is on when it's charging/connected i believe
Aug 08 22:05:36 <spdr_> ah, thanks
Aug 08 22:10:38 <undrwater> what's the other browser's name?  no minimo...the one with the chick's name
Aug 08 22:10:39 <spdr_> how do i turn off the auto word completing ? :\
Aug 08 22:10:49 <spdr_> undrwater, midori ?
Aug 08 22:10:52 <undrwater> spdr_: qtopia?
Aug 08 22:10:56 <spdr_> om2008
Aug 08 22:10:57 <undrwater> spdr_: yes!, thanks!
Aug 08 22:11:01 <undrwater> green!
Aug 08 22:11:10 <undrwater> spdr_: hold down a letter to keep it
Aug 08 22:11:31 <undrwater> should see a magnifying glass thingy
Aug 08 22:12:06 <undrwater> is there a more updated calendar than dates2?
Aug 08 22:12:06 <spdr_> cool, thanks
Aug 08 22:12:41 <cga`flashing`Neo> to use dfu-util should i boot in NAND or NOR ? thanks
Aug 08 22:12:57 <cga`flashing`Neo> two entries on the wiki says different things
Aug 08 22:13:07 <spdr_> NAND
Aug 08 22:13:23 <cga`flashing`Neo> thanks
Aug 08 22:14:03 <Tanuva> I always do it from NOR...
Aug 08 22:14:17 <ConfidentiaL> me2, from NOR
Aug 08 22:14:32 <spdr_> oh my bad hah
Aug 08 22:14:34 <Tanuva> oh. btw, atm I'm not.
Aug 08 22:14:35 <spdr_> nor it is
Aug 08 22:14:39 <Tanuva> but usually I do
Aug 08 22:15:36 <cga`flashing`Neo> arg
Aug 08 22:15:43 <cga`flashing`Neo> so nor
Aug 08 22:15:52 <cga`flashing`Neo> i correct the wiki then
Aug 08 22:15:53 <mmontour> right now it shouldn't matter. NAND is probably a better long-term choice, as there may be bugfixes affecting DFU-util that will only get applied to the NAND u-boot
Aug 08 22:15:55 <Tanuva> I think this isn't too relevant since it works from both
Aug 08 22:15:57 <cga`flashing`Neo> it's confusing
Aug 08 22:16:28 <spdr_> i wish wifi would work ;0
Aug 08 22:16:32 <cga`flashing`Neo> mmontour, i trust you. one more time: NAND?
Aug 08 22:16:39 * Tanuva wonders if fsom2 will get up to the xserver this time
Aug 08 22:16:45 <cga`flashing`Neo> then the wiki should be corrected
Aug 08 22:17:09 <spdr_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Using_dfu-util ---> say NOR
Aug 08 22:17:09 <mmontour> That's IMHO - it's not a right/wrong issue
Aug 08 22:17:12 <spdr_> says*
Aug 08 22:17:55 <cga`flashing`Neo> spdr_, other pages i'm reading say some NOR some NAND
Aug 08 22:18:11 <cga`flashing`Neo> pages on dfu-utils btw
Aug 08 22:18:56 <mmontour> My advice is to use NAND for everything, and to only use NOR if you accidentally 'brick' your NAND. 
Aug 08 22:19:09 <cga`flashing`Neo> mmontour, ok
Aug 08 22:19:42 <mmontour> I wouldn't change the wiki yet. If I have time later I might start a discussion thread on one of the MLs to see if we can get a consensus on the best NAND vs. NOR policy
Aug 08 22:19:53 <spdr_> does GPS still have issues getting a fix with the SD card ? does it even work on Om2008?
Aug 08 22:20:04 <lindi-> mmontour: isn't the only way to write to NOR to use a debug board?
Aug 08 22:20:12 <mmontour> that's right
Aug 08 22:20:53 <cga`flashing`Neo> mmontour, ok i won't touch it
Aug 08 22:21:42 <spdr_> GPS on Om2008, anybody ?
Aug 08 22:21:50 <lindi-> can anybody recommend me the easiest setup to debug programs on openmoko? gdbserver looks promising (i have used gdb extensively)
Aug 08 22:21:50 <Zorkman> i have it running
Aug 08 22:22:06 <Zorkman> spdr_: agpsui, tangogps, diversity and orrery all can use the gps fine
Aug 08 22:22:40 <spdr_> cant get a fix, atleast not on diversity .. ill try tango
Aug 08 22:22:58 <Tanuva> lindi-: you could use gdb directly on the neo...
Aug 08 22:23:00 <Maybelline> Are there any apps available for FSO?
Aug 08 22:23:10 <Centaur5> Zorkman: You have tangogps working on 2008.8?
Aug 08 22:23:14 <Zorkman> spdr_: agpsui is the best to test; you can see if you get the time, and how many sattelites and with what strength
Aug 08 22:23:16 <Ko_deZ> spdr_: agpsui could be a good start. Try without the SD card first.
Aug 08 22:23:35 <Zorkman> spdr_: you need to install gpsd and modifie a file for tangogps
Aug 08 22:24:19 <lindi-> Tanuva: but then i'd need the source code, debugging symbols and emacs there?
Aug 08 22:24:36 <Tanuva> lindi-: emacs not nessecarily, but the rest would be useful, yes
Aug 08 22:24:51 <spdr_> thanks all, ill pretty much follow the wiki
Aug 08 22:24:52 <lindi-> Tanuva: emacs is requirement, sorry :)
Aug 08 22:25:22 <lindi-> Tanuva: can't debug without emacs' gud (grand unified debugger) :P
Aug 08 22:25:50 <Tanuva> *g*
Aug 08 22:26:06 <Tanuva> maybe I should try that, too. just used raw gdb yet which is quite tiring
Aug 08 22:26:43 <Centaur5> Zorkman: Do you have a url of a howto on getting tangogps to work on 2008?
Aug 08 22:27:38 <Zorkman> Centaur5: just do opkg update, then opkg install tangogps, then opkg install gpsd and then edit /etc/default/gpsd, change GPS_DEV="/dev/ttyS3" to GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1"
Aug 08 22:28:16 <Centaur5> Zorkman: Man, I didn't find anything about that on google.  Thanks, I've been dying to have tango back ever since I installed ASU.
Aug 08 22:28:42 <Tanuva> Zorkman: OMFG! I always linked /etc/default/gpsd -> /dev/ttySAC1, no wonder gpsd won't accept that symlink as gps device!! =O
Aug 08 22:28:45 <spdr_> "* Could not obtain administrative lock" while installer is closed, bug ?
Aug 08 22:28:50 <Zorkman> np
Aug 08 22:29:12 <lindi-> Tanuva: you need to know gdb well of course, gud is only there to help you after that
Aug 08 22:29:18 <Zorkman> yes spdr_, do "killall packagekitd"
Aug 08 22:29:33 <Zorkman> then it will work again
Aug 08 22:29:44 <Zorkman> (got that info from a bugreport)
Aug 08 22:29:56 <lindi-> spdr_: already reported bug
Aug 08 22:30:16 <spdr_> k, thanks
Aug 08 22:30:24 <spdr_> was trying to kill opkg o0
Aug 08 22:30:40 <undrwater> spdr_: kill packagekitd or something like that
Aug 08 22:31:04 <undrwater> oops...didn't see Zorkman
Aug 08 22:31:15 <Zorkman> np i'm rather small
Aug 08 22:31:59 <undrwater> more like forrest for the trees kind of thing
Aug 08 22:33:10 <undrwater> has anyone compiled gspca?
Aug 08 22:33:51 <lindi-> oddly enough debian hasn't
Aug 08 22:34:21 <undrwater> if i get bitbake up, is that a tough thing to do?
Aug 08 22:34:22 <xhrit> ...
Aug 08 22:34:24 <xhrit> lol
Aug 08 22:35:23 * Tanuva starts getting frustrated -> watching collateral...
Aug 08 22:35:27 <matholio> Does anyone know how to change the suspend time in 200808 ?
Aug 08 22:35:52 <lindi-> undrwater: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/build.txt worked for 2007.02 two days ago
Aug 08 22:36:00 <Zorkman> yeah, use the dropdown menu and selct the spanner
Aug 08 22:36:15 <lindi-> undrwater: but ASU did not compile
Aug 08 22:36:18 <Zorkman> you will find it under "power"
Aug 08 22:37:08 <undrwater> lindi-: thanks...
Aug 08 22:37:30 <matholio> thing has died.  won;t come out of suspend. :(
Aug 08 22:38:22 <matholio> <sigh> if I had a dollar every time I took the battery out to reboot....
Aug 08 22:39:16 <matholio> weirdest thing, I switched on this morning and was able to ssh via wifi.  nice.
Aug 08 22:39:28 <matholio> also I had a full keyboard, not he predictive one.
Aug 08 22:39:46 <Zorkman> matholio: if you can still ssh in, it's easier to type "reboot" in the terminal
Aug 08 22:39:58 <xhrit> where is the media player for FSO?
Aug 08 22:41:10 <xmpp> i think a media player is a little too much to ask for the openmoko right now
Aug 08 22:41:25 <Zorkman> there are at least three mediaplayers which you can install...
Aug 08 22:41:26 <matholio> Zorkman: no, suspend stops comms it seems.  
Aug 08 22:41:50 <Zorkman> matholio: yes you are right, didn't read it was because of suspend
Aug 08 22:42:18 <Zorkman> which image are you running? 2008.8, asu, 2007.2, fso, they all got out of suspend on my phone
Aug 08 22:42:28 <matholio> Suspend after 60 second is the longest.  pfft.
Aug 08 22:42:36 <matholio> no dim then suspend either.
Aug 08 22:43:03 <spdr_> 10/10 fail on agpsui :\
Aug 08 22:44:55 <xhrit> Zorkman: i had 2 on 2007.2
Aug 08 22:45:05 <spdr_> how can there be no sats? :|
Aug 08 22:46:45 <xhrit> netsplit?
Aug 08 22:46:58 <Tig|> looks like it
Aug 08 22:47:15 <Tig|> or something good came on tb
Aug 08 22:47:18 <Tig|> tv even
Aug 08 22:47:48 <spdr_> heh
Aug 08 22:48:31 <cga`flashing`Neo> mmontour, i thouht a little bit about NOR vs NAND and i think that NOR is safer since it doesn't allow you to flash it. in NAND if i make a mistake i f*ck up the whole system i have there. right?
Aug 08 22:48:58 <cga`flashing`Neo> i think i'm going for NOR then
Aug 08 22:49:14 <Zorkman> welcome back :)
Aug 08 22:49:27 <mmontour> cga`flashing`Neo: whether you booted from NAND or NOR, you're writing to partitions on NAND when you use dfu-util.
Aug 08 22:49:32 <Zorkman> cga`flashing`Neo WTF???
Aug 08 22:49:43 <cga`flashing`Neo> ohps =)
Aug 08 22:49:47 <Zorkman> you can not touch NOR unless you have a debugboard
Aug 08 22:49:56 <Zorkman> that way you cannot brick your neo
Aug 08 22:49:59 <cga`flashing`Neo> that's what i'm saying
Aug 08 22:50:27 <Zorkman> sorry, thought you were saying you were going to flash NOR
Aug 08 22:50:32 <cga`flashing`Neo> eh np =)
Aug 08 22:52:04 <Tig|> ok there will be a fair few people on here who have flashed to the 2008.8 image,  as I have a stablish FSO milestone2 image install working is it worth flashing or should I wait for OM2008.8.1 ?  what are people seeing on their phones?
Aug 08 22:52:04 <brian|lfs> how could it be so tuff to connect to gprs
Aug 08 22:52:06 <cga`flashing`Neo> mmontour, i'm going to use dfu-utils just to backup 2007.02 and use the method we talk about before to put other OSes in the microSD 
Aug 08 22:52:21 <brian|lfs> it isn't olike I'm tryign to hack the phoen network I pay for data its a bunch of bull shit
Aug 08 22:52:45 <brian|lfs> the table lies the things on the table don't work for AT&T
Aug 08 22:53:24 <Tig|> brian|lfs: which table?
Aug 08 22:53:25 <xhrit> can i install 2007 packages on FSO?
Aug 08 22:53:27 <Tig|> on the wiki?
Aug 08 22:53:31 <brian|lfs> ya
Aug 08 22:53:34 <brian|lfs> on the wiki
Aug 08 22:53:58 <brian|lfs> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS
Aug 08 22:54:19 <Zorkman> Tig|: if you have an sd card; go for dualboot, that way you can test it yourself and don't loose your FSO
Aug 08 22:54:26 <brian|lfs> I'm not really sure if the issue is the user name or password it jsut says faild to connect
Aug 08 22:55:34 <brian|lfs> even with dbug it don't tell me if its an invald user or password or sever or phone number it just says failed to connect
Aug 08 22:55:46 <Zorkman> i'm gonna hit the sack, goodnight everybody
Aug 08 22:55:55 <brian|lfs> good night
Aug 08 22:56:18 <Tig|> brian|lfs: wrong continent for me but in my experience those details look sane,  can you get GPRS on another phone?  ie is it a location issue?
Aug 08 22:56:58 <brian|lfs> not sure
Aug 08 22:57:07 <brian|lfs> I'll have is a freerunner and a iphone
Aug 08 22:57:19 <brian|lfs> the sim in the free runner isn't going to work in my iphone
Aug 08 22:57:26 <brian|lfs> due to  it being a differen't size
Aug 08 22:57:52 <Tig|> erm I thought all GSM SIMs were the same size
Aug 08 22:58:11 <brian|lfs> no the contacts ont he bottom are dffierent on the iphoen sim card
Aug 08 22:58:15 <Tig|> at least all the ones I have ever seen
Aug 08 22:58:18 <brian|lfs> I can try it but doubt they will line up
Aug 08 22:58:44 <xhrit> ...
Aug 08 22:58:56 <Tig|> erm is the iphone gsm? sorry for silly question but never been near one
Aug 08 22:58:58 <xhrit> brian|lfs: use some spare wires
Aug 08 22:59:20 <brian|lfs> ya its gsm
Aug 08 22:59:47 <xhrit> so...does anyone know if packages from 2007 will work on FSO?
Aug 08 22:59:54 <brian|lfs> what you mean by spare wires xhrit 
Aug 08 22:59:55 <Tig|> mind you it would be classic for apple to insist on a non standard simcard shape :)
Aug 08 23:00:22 * SpeedEvil waves an 'original' sized sim-card.
Aug 08 23:00:41 <Tig|> ooo look it is the iSIM,  just like a SIM you can get anywhere else but now it is white and apple shaped :P
Aug 08 23:00:47 <brian|lfs> I'm looking for my iphone lol
Aug 08 23:01:00 <brian|lfs> so I can put the activated sim in and see what happensx
Aug 08 23:02:00 <koenigjm> Man!  4 days into my openmoko and my screen has a crack in it! :(
Aug 08 23:02:26 <Tig|> koenigjm: erk:( how?
Aug 08 23:02:27 <koenigjm> I had it in an empty pocket while I was walking around :(
Aug 08 23:02:56 <Ko_deZ> koenigjm: crack or scratch?
Aug 08 23:03:03 <koenigjm> crack in the lcd
Aug 08 23:03:16 <SpeedEvil> oops.
Aug 08 23:03:19 <koenigjm> the colors are all messed up on one side :(
Aug 08 23:03:20 <Ko_deZ> koenigjm: So it is completely broken?
Aug 08 23:03:27 <Tig|> koenigjm: erm do you have strong thighs and tight jeans?
Aug 08 23:03:41 <koenigjm> lol certainly not tight jeans :P
Aug 08 23:03:42 <Ko_deZ> koenigjm: that is not so good.
Aug 08 23:03:47 <koenigjm> I don't know where my thighs rank
Aug 08 23:03:55 <SpeedEvil> That's irreparable koenigjm - without replacing the LCD :(
Aug 08 23:04:09 <koenigjm> right...*sigh* any thoughts on getting a replacement?
Aug 08 23:04:24 <rtm> Is it normal for the 2008.8 dialer to take several seconds to show each digit when one is entering a number into the dialer?
Aug 08 23:04:32 <SpeedEvil> koenigjm: post to community?
Aug 08 23:04:45 <koenigjm> *nod nod* 
Aug 08 23:04:53 <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
Aug 08 23:04:58 <SpeedEvil> And you did insure it?
Aug 08 23:05:12 <SpeedEvil> INSURE YOUR EXPENSIVE TOY people.
Aug 08 23:05:33 <koenigjm> I wasn't even aware insurance was available...makes this story even more sad
Aug 08 23:05:42 <spdr_> anybody know how i can run minimo on qtopia ?
Aug 08 23:05:55 <spdr_> or actually, launch it
Aug 08 23:05:57 <SpeedEvil> mobile phone insurance is available from any insurer generally.
Aug 08 23:09:27 <spdr_> ?
Aug 08 23:11:09 <brian|lfs> the sim card works but they work me to reactivate with at&t lol
Aug 08 23:11:18 <brian|lfs> so I have no way to test the data lol
Aug 08 23:11:35 <Torikun> wow
Aug 08 23:11:43 <Torikun> go to shop and have them activate your card
Aug 08 23:11:55 <rtm> What sequence of buttons must one press to get the 2008.8 stack out of suspend?
Aug 08 23:12:01 <brian|lfs> the card is activated jsut not on my iphone
Aug 08 23:12:06 <cga`flashing`Neo> dfu-utils finds an undefined device even if the FR is not connected. how do i get rid of it?
Aug 08 23:12:21 <SirBob1701> forget commands to scp crap to freerunner damn it
Aug 08 23:12:57 <brian|lfs> should I jsut put my data back on my iphoen perhaps lol
Aug 08 23:13:22 <brian|lfs> apperantly at&t can't be hacked to get data tow ork on the free runner
Aug 08 23:13:43 <brian|lfs> and the wiifi don't work on 20088
Aug 08 23:14:03 <spdr_> minimo on qtopia, anyone?
Aug 08 23:14:51 <ConfidentiaL> spdr_: only qt apps on qtopia, and I don't think minimo is a qt app
Aug 08 23:15:20 <ConfidentiaL> actually I don't thimk there's any web browsers for qtopia yet...
Aug 08 23:15:26 <spdr_> i knew it. its just someone else said i works :(
Aug 08 23:15:33 <spdr_> it*
Aug 08 23:16:16 <lpotter> could probably run minomo on ASU. or compile qtfirefox for qtopia
Aug 08 23:16:22 <ConfidentiaL> well, I don't know for sure, but that's what I've heard...
Aug 08 23:17:21 <cga`flashing`Neo> i'll be back
Aug 08 23:19:30 <Sargun> Can I charge my FR while its plugged into the debug boarD?
Aug 08 23:19:41 <brian|lfs> I found an IP i'm going to try for GPRS
Aug 08 23:19:45 <brian|lfs> instead of a server name
Aug 08 23:19:52 <lpotter> or you could wait a few weeks for qtopai 4.4 which will have a web browser
Aug 08 23:20:42 <brian|lfs> anyone get the installer to work on 20088
Aug 08 23:21:00 <Torikun> brian|lfs: NP
Aug 08 23:21:04 <Torikun> brian|lfs: NO
Aug 08 23:21:09 <Torikun> it has no repos lol
Aug 08 23:21:13 <balrog-kun> lpotter: yay
Aug 08 23:21:25 <brian|lfs> its pretty useless then lol
Aug 08 23:21:27 <Torikun> few weeks ...
Aug 08 23:21:34 <brian|lfs> wifi don't work and installer don't work lol
Aug 08 23:21:38 <Torikun> that will be better than the rate openmoko is going
Aug 08 23:22:07 <Torikun> Ican not connect to any wifi on 2008008
Aug 08 23:24:32 <rtm> 2008.8 is really tremendously less usable than 2007.2 . I wonder what made them release it now?   Did the earlier versions cause the Freerunner to catch fire?
Aug 08 23:26:25 <linuxxr> yup
Aug 08 23:26:33 <linuxxr> brian
Aug 08 23:27:14 <xhrit> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-filemanager:
Aug 08 23:27:14 <xhrit>            libsmbclient (>= 3.0.23c)   gpe-icons *
Aug 08 23:27:17 <xhrit> hmm...
Aug 08 23:29:42 <trix> how much work does it really take to generate those .sig files for opkg
Aug 08 23:30:13 <linuxxr> well with things changing so rapidly
Aug 08 23:30:21 <linuxxr> haaaaa
Aug 08 23:30:47 <linuxxr> md5sums are fast
Aug 08 23:30:49 <trix> warp speed mr zulu
Aug 08 23:31:17 <linuxxr> 75 megs    real fast
Aug 08 23:31:31 <trix> hmm
Aug 08 23:31:52 <linuxxr> wee need kde   sos we can fly
Aug 08 23:32:38 <cga> damn
Aug 08 23:32:54 <Pyrasi> anyone know the location of a lint-wifi ipk?
Aug 08 23:33:01 <cga> apparently i fucked the bluetooth mouse with dfu-utils 
Aug 08 23:33:30 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 08 23:34:04 <trix> Pyrasi, from the wiki, http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/lint-wifi_rc1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 08 23:34:10 <trix> err
Aug 08 23:34:13 <trix> nevermind.
Aug 08 23:34:41 <rtm> Is there anyway to completely disable suspend on 2008.8 so that one can work on the thing for more than a few seconds between suspends?
Aug 08 23:34:59 <Pyrasi> yea =/  that one was 404'd
Aug 08 23:35:23 <trix> i grabbed it from there yesterday, he must've removed it after 2008.8 came out
Aug 08 23:36:58 <cga> ok good night for now
Aug 08 23:37:01 <lloyd_fedora> how is the 2008.8 ?
Aug 08 23:37:02 <cga> see you
Aug 08 23:37:18 <rtm> lloyd_fedora: TERRIBLE!
Aug 08 23:37:19 <SirBob1701> is there a standard qwerty input on 2008.8?
Aug 08 23:37:55 <brian|lfs> bye bye 20088 going back to the stock image lol
Aug 08 23:38:09 <brian|lfs> at least all the networking and the phone work on the stock image
Aug 08 23:38:16 <Centaur5> lloyd_fedora: It's been stable with receiving calls and sending/receiving sms today but I can't make calls cause it thinks I don't have signal.
Aug 08 23:38:26 <lloyd_fedora> damm was waiting for this .. will get my phone in a day or two 
Aug 08 23:38:45 <brian|lfs> cancel your order save your money
Aug 08 23:39:03 <brian|lfs> unelss your jsust going to make phone calls
Aug 08 23:39:12 <rtm> No, order your phone, but load it with 2007.2, which almost works."
Aug 08 23:39:24 <lloyd_fedora> yeah just need it for calls n sms
Aug 08 23:39:29 <trix> yeah i was pretty pleased with how 2007.2 was working
Aug 08 23:39:45 <brian|lfs> 20084 works
Aug 08 23:39:50 <brian|lfs> its what comes stock
Aug 08 23:39:50 <Pyrasi> trix you dont still have the ipk do you?
Aug 08 23:40:00 <trix> no pyrasi, i looked around for a bit but no luck
Aug 08 23:40:07 <lloyd_fedora> does the phone come with 2007.2
Aug 08 23:40:10 <trix> i'd installed it directly to my om
Aug 08 23:40:10 <Centaur5> If I had the choice (my phone broke 3 days before FR came out) I would have waited for GTA03.
Aug 08 23:40:12 <Pyrasi> =/ k thanks anyway
Aug 08 23:40:59 <lloyd_fedora> Centaur5: gta03 ?? isnt the freerunner gta02
Aug 08 23:41:10 <Centaur5> lloyd_fedora: GTA03 is due in December
Aug 08 23:41:12 <brian|lfs> whats gta03 going to have for specs
Aug 08 23:41:25 <brian|lfs> or will it have for specs
Aug 08 23:41:42 <Centaur5> brian|lfs: Same but with Edge and no glamo
Aug 08 23:42:03 <brian|lfs> for the network do you mean edge
Aug 08 23:42:04 <SpeedEvil> Centaur5: where did you get deember from?
Aug 08 23:42:05 <lloyd_fedora> Centaur5: dec .. naw .. i cant waqit  .. itll take months to be released 
Aug 08 23:42:43 <Centaur5> SpeedEvil: It was either the wiki or an article I ran across. This info I read was a month ago. Is that way off?
Aug 08 23:43:32 <brian|lfs> lovely the normal image fails to load back onto my phone
Aug 08 23:43:47 <brian|lfs> am I stufff with this junk on my phone now
Aug 08 23:44:15 <lloyd_fedora> Centaur5: ive already waited too long .. :-) .. im just gonna do it .. n i guess ill be in here a lot after that .. lol 
Aug 08 23:44:16 * kgoetz wonders if hes been a total fool
Aug 08 23:44:29 <kgoetz> i think i just realised why i couldnt flash my FR last night :|
Aug 08 23:44:49 <brian|lfs> why couldn't you flashit kgoetz 
Aug 08 23:44:56 <brian|lfs> wrong image?
Aug 08 23:45:01 <kgoetz> brian|lfs: i think i forgot to add -a rootfs
Aug 08 23:45:12 <brian|lfs> oh I have done that before lol
Aug 08 23:45:13 <Centaur5> lloyd_fedora: True, I've been following the project since November of 06 so it's great to have. Edge would have been very nice though.
Aug 08 23:45:47 <brian|lfs> whats good about edge its slow as hell
Aug 08 23:45:56 <trix> the name, really
Aug 08 23:45:58 <brian|lfs> wouldn't you want the g3 network
Aug 08 23:45:59 <SpeedEvil> Centaur5: articles can be misleading, and the wiki...
Aug 08 23:46:05 <SpeedEvil> Centaur5: who knows.
Aug 08 23:46:11 <lloyd_fedora> Centaur5: does yr phone n sms works fine on the 2007
Aug 08 23:46:34 <Centaur5> SpeedEvil: Now that I think about it I'm sure it was a mailing list. Very misleading.  :)
Aug 08 23:46:56 <trix> i was just showing my FR 2008.8 to a friend
Aug 08 23:47:02 <trix> specifically, how one can change the screen brightness
Aug 08 23:47:07 * trix smirks
Aug 08 23:47:10 <mwester> bet that was a bad idea
Aug 08 23:47:17 <mwester> did it crash?
Aug 08 23:47:23 <Centaur5> lloyd_fedora: SMS actually works better than my old piece of crap M$ device that broke right before I got the FR. Phone calls finally wake suspend and I can answer but today I can't make any calls cause my phone doesn't think I have reception.
Aug 08 23:47:24 <trix> oh no it handled it very well.
Aug 08 23:47:37 <trix> and then i set it down and told him the rest isn't there yet
Aug 08 23:48:11 <lloyd_fedora> Centaur5: no reception .. cause of the 2008.8
Aug 08 23:48:22 <brian|lfs> wtf
Aug 08 23:48:33 <brian|lfs> this is the right image for my phoen it keeps bombing out
Aug 08 23:48:39 <kgoetz> if i re-image the rootfs, do i need to install a kernel seperately?
Aug 08 23:48:52 <kgoetz> (eg, from a uImage*bin file)
Aug 08 23:49:16 <trix> who is maintaining 2007.2 now, if not OM?
Aug 08 23:50:16 <trix> kgoetz if you are switching distros yes you should
Aug 08 23:50:16 <rtm> On 2008.8, is it normal for qpe to consume 90% of the CPU time when absolutely nothing is being done with the phone?
Aug 08 23:51:10 <kgoetz> trix: thanks, i'll find an up to dateish kernel image :)
Aug 08 23:51:28 <Sargun> I'm getting errors with OpenOCD
Aug 08 23:51:34 <Sargun> Runtime error, file "?", line 1:
Aug 08 23:51:34 <Sargun>     Unknown command: daemon_startup_attach
Aug 08 23:51:34 <Sargun> In procedure 'script' called at file "?", line 1
Aug 08 23:51:34 <Sargun> In procedure 'daemon_startup' called at file "openocd.cfg", line 9
Aug 08 23:51:34 <Sargun> In procedure 'unknown' called at file "?", line 1
Aug 08 23:51:57 <Infoport>  Centaur5: I remember something about December, but I also remember the Freerunner being expected early this year. The word should be "expected" (or hoped for!), OM doesn't promise a scheduled due date...it will be ready when it's ready.
Aug 08 23:53:44 <Infoport> rtm: did you get your answer about Suspend? go to Settings, and click on Suspend...it will cycle 30sec, 60sec, off.
Aug 08 23:54:07 <rtm> Infoport:   Thanks!
Aug 08 23:54:09 <tdobson> eeek. I downloaded an oldish image (of 2007.2) and now I seem to be downloading most of the low level architecture again...
Aug 08 23:54:32 <trix> december seems way, way too soon for a consumer gta03. i think they'd have a miserable time with that.
Aug 08 23:54:56 <rtm> Is anyone successfully using a T-mobile SIM with 2008.8?
Aug 08 23:55:05 <abraxa_> kgoetz: 2007.2 is unmaintained. No one maintains it. However, the SHR folks are adapting it to FSO.
Aug 08 23:55:34 <kgoetz> abraxa_: that was actually to trix  :)
Aug 08 23:55:48 <abraxa_> kgoetz: Oh right. My bad.
Aug 08 23:55:54 <kgoetz> abraxa_: np
Aug 08 23:56:21 <trix> abraxa, ohh ok thanks. so who's to thank for the daily updates i was getting with opkg? 
Aug 08 23:56:45 <trix> or were those just to the package & os-independant feeds
Aug 08 23:56:49 <Infoport> any idea why after installing 2008.8 I would get a message from "1111301000" with attachment "0_application/vnd.wap.sic"? isn't a little early for OM viruses or spam?
Aug 08 23:57:28 <abraxa_> trix: Well, the non-2007.2-specific parts of the distribution are always updated
Aug 08 23:58:25 <trix> thanks for the info, abraxa
Aug 08 23:58:39 <abraxa_> Infoport: http://www.google.com/search?q=1111301000 - you are certainly not the only one
Aug 09 00:04:46 <Pyrasi> pidgin works suprisingly well on the moko =)
Aug 09 00:04:55 <tdobson> hmm. I'm tempted to write a script to setup a 2007.2 install the way I like them....
Aug 09 00:06:01 <tdobson> Pyrasi: indeed
Aug 09 00:06:05 <ceda> Pyrasi: did you build pidgin youtself?
Aug 09 00:06:18 <Pyrasi> no...installed it from the scaredycat repos
Aug 09 00:06:38 * mwester has an extra partition on the SD card to hold such a set of scripts, and a set of packages and other saved files so he can reflash and restore at will.
Aug 09 00:06:54 <kgoetz> /m sees lots of stacktraces on FR
Aug 09 00:07:10 <Pyrasi> now if only i could find an ipkg of lint-wifi id have everything i want.....
Aug 09 00:07:57 <rooly|away> just check out the lint-wifi page
Aug 09 00:08:21 <Pyrasi> if you mean on the wiki...the link is broken
Aug 09 00:08:50 <rooly|away> ic
Aug 09 00:13:03 <kgoetz> its nice that the boots are visible now
Aug 09 00:14:22 <ceda> it is :)
Aug 09 00:14:30 <Guilt> so 2008.8 wasnt worth the hype eh
Aug 09 00:14:34 <Guilt> so many fucking bugs
Aug 09 00:14:35 <Guilt> :p
Aug 09 00:14:55 <Guilt> for people who called me a whiner yesterday, see for yourself ;)
Aug 09 00:15:02 <ceda> FSO is fun to play with though
Aug 09 00:15:26 <jadams> heyyyy
Aug 09 00:15:34 <rtm> Guilt: I agree with you.   It's hard to imagine why they announced it with such fanfare today.
Aug 09 00:15:37 <jadams> so I just got debian on my neo1973 an hour or so ago
Aug 09 00:15:58 <kgoetz> jadams cool :)
Aug 09 00:16:18 <jadams> kgoetz, I don't have it all sorted like I'd want to
Aug 09 00:16:31 <jadams> I can't bring up an on screen keyboard yet
Aug 09 00:16:37 <kgoetz> i have to say, i think theres to many games on the openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02 image
Aug 09 00:16:38 <jadams> just followed the wiki though
Aug 09 00:17:04 <kgoetz> jadams let me know how it goes. i'll be trying it out at some point (after i finish playing with 08.08 probably)
Aug 09 00:17:39 <jadams> kgoetz, I have a neo, so no 08.08 for me
Aug 09 00:17:48 <kgoetz> jadams pardon?
Aug 09 00:17:51 * rooly|away is gonna stick with 08.08/07 for now
Aug 09 00:19:08 * kgoetz decides to find/file a bug on the browser being in pim
Aug 09 00:19:11 <tdobson> should normal x11 apps work on 2007.2?
Aug 09 00:19:38 <rooly|away> yeah
Aug 09 00:19:49 * tdobson is about to try xmms....
Aug 09 00:19:51 <kgoetz> and terminal still isnt in 'utilities' :|
Aug 09 00:21:06 <Infoport> abraxa_: sorry I didn't google first...I thought it had something to do with a new phone and new OM2008.8 image maybe. 
Aug 09 00:21:08 <Infoport> abraxa_: (or anyone) is there a way to block those spoofed messages? complain to cell provider? I read lots of links from Google, and most seemed to have yahoos answering (esp. Yahoo Answers) but I'd rather have a *good* answer
Aug 09 00:21:12 <rtm> tdobson: Yes.   There are sometimes minor issues (fonts, etc), but I've found getting general X11 aps to run on 2007.2 quite easy.
Aug 09 00:22:05 <rooly|away> Infoport, are you talking about the blank messages with the weird symbol?
Aug 09 00:22:09 <abraxa_> Infoport: No worries. And unfortunately, I have no idea about the origin... in the long run however, Openmoko will include spam filtering :)
Aug 09 00:23:09 <tdobson> rtm: cool.
Aug 09 00:25:01 <Infoport> rooly|away: I got a blank message with attachment from a spoofed number (which seems to have been going on way before I got the phone, with other phone owners. it is a BIG PITA if you have limited text msgs, or prepaid bandwidth units, etc
Aug 09 00:25:15 <Dave> hrm
Aug 09 00:25:46 <jadams> anyone here run debian on their device?  I don't know how to get usb networking working with it
Aug 09 00:25:53 <rooly|away> i know that AT&T uses a special sms to announce voicemail
Aug 09 00:26:43 * Dave whines at Speedevil
Aug 09 00:26:49 <Dave> needs more voltage
Aug 09 00:27:14 <SpeedEvil> Dave: mail me the FR and hte battery, and I'll investigate :)
Aug 09 00:27:38 <SpeedEvil> Dave: This one FR won't fully charge any battery you give to it?
Aug 09 00:31:38 <Guilt> i'm going back to 2007.2
Aug 09 00:31:44 <Guilt> with mwester's kernel and changes
Aug 09 00:31:51 <Guilt> and stick to it for a long while
Aug 09 00:32:43 <jadams> Guilt, where can I get those files?
Aug 09 00:32:53 * mwester pokes at his newly reflashed freerunner, and wonders if 2008.8 needs to go back into the oven for a little while...
Aug 09 00:32:56 <jadams> Guilt, I just installed debian on it, and it's awesome...but I want a phone phone
Aug 09 00:33:13 <tdobson> lol
Aug 09 00:33:50 <Guilt> jadams: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#gtkuser
Aug 09 00:34:00 <Guilt> the rootfs, i can maybe upload it to you :-)
Aug 09 00:34:13 <Guilt> stupid fellas removed the 200807xx dailies from buildhost
Aug 09 00:34:17 <Guilt> they were great
Aug 09 00:34:22 <mwester> They did??
Aug 09 00:34:27 <jadams> Guilt, I'd love to get it uploaded, if at all possible
Aug 09 00:34:36 <jadams> I've never had this thing usable as a phone
Aug 09 00:34:42 <jadams> and I'd love to try it, just for a week, if the thing actually works
Aug 09 00:34:47 <mwester> Scaredycat's repo doesn't have the 2007.2 images either?
Aug 09 00:35:17 <Guilt> mwester: yes they did. 
Aug 09 00:35:20 <Guilt> unfortunately.
Aug 09 00:35:21 * mwester notes that 2008.8 works better if one reboots a second time...
Aug 09 00:35:57 <jadams> I just turned on compositing for my xfwm
Aug 09 00:35:59 <jadams> it's great
Aug 09 00:36:10 <mwester> Hmmm....  Ok.  SHR was going to use 2007.2 as a base; looks like we'll have to start building complete images now.
Aug 09 00:36:37 <jadams> Guilt: awesome, thanks tons
Aug 09 00:36:43 <Guilt> yw :-)
Aug 09 00:37:32 <Guilt> jadams: you may need to reboot twice.. the cdc_ether issue may be present in this guy. 
Aug 09 00:37:46 <Guilt> i wonder why they removed the modules.dep files or so ;p
Aug 09 00:37:55 <Guilt> it just doesnt work the first time.
Aug 09 00:38:03 <jadams> Guilt, it's alright.  I'm going to keep debian on the SD to show my buddy compositing working
Aug 09 00:38:11 <rtm> How does one kill an application running on 2008.8 using the GUI?
Aug 09 00:38:14 <Guilt> cool
Aug 09 00:38:19 <jadams> rtm: hit top bar, then hit remove
Aug 09 00:38:23 <Guilt> yeah.
Aug 09 00:38:32 <abraxa_> mwester: Any response on the kernel list?
Aug 09 00:38:34 <Guilt> jadams: how stable is debian?
Aug 09 00:38:35 <rtm> jadams: THanks!
Aug 09 00:38:40 <Guilt> and, does phonekit work?
Aug 09 00:38:42 <jadams> Guilt, stable, but useless without a keyboard
Aug 09 00:38:47 <jadams> Guilt, I don't have an on screen keyboard
Aug 09 00:38:48 <Guilt> ah :/
Aug 09 00:38:55 <jadams> and I don't know how to connect to it via usb networking
Aug 09 00:39:01 <jadams> there's prolly an easy way, but heck if I know
Aug 09 00:39:05 <Guilt> well. i want to know if somebody is poky-ing
Aug 09 00:39:11 <mwester> abraxa_:  The stripped-down patches were submitted and are in stable now.
Aug 09 00:39:43 <Guilt> mwester: what does that mean?
Aug 09 00:39:46 <abraxa_> rtm: If you want to know about the status of debian on the Neo, ask josch on #neo1973-germany - he used it a lot
Aug 09 00:39:47 <mwester> Now we need user-space cooperation (i.e. mods to 2008.8 etc) to finish the job.
Aug 09 00:40:06 <Guilt> mwester: can u publish 2007.2 images with your changes?
Aug 09 00:40:29 <Guilt> like mount the jffs2, untar/patch and put it up.
Aug 09 00:40:36 <abraxa_> mwester: What did you strip exactly? I thought your code didn't mix with Andy's idea of generalization
Aug 09 00:40:43 <jadams> Guilt, if I could get debian working with networking, I'd prefer to stick with that
Aug 09 00:40:44 <mwester> Guilt:  some suspend/resume issues are resolved, and a mechanism to keep the GSM asleep properly during suspend/resume is in place (but we couldn't get the whole patchset in, so we need the application to signal when the GSM is to be suspended/resumed)
Aug 09 00:40:55 <rtm> abraxa: I appreciate the info, but I think it was someone else who inquired about Debian.
Aug 09 00:41:15 <Guilt> jadams: it's the same config
Aug 09 00:41:27 <abraxa_> rtm: Somehow I keep talking to the wrong people today. Of course I meant Guilt. :)
Aug 09 00:41:28 <jadams> Guilt, I tried what I normally do, to no avail
Aug 09 00:41:35 <Guilt> stock openmoko uses the same set of files as debian (/etc/network/interfaces)
Aug 09 00:41:48 <mwester> abraxa_:  stripped out the suspend abort in the serial handler, removed the auto-flowcontrol mechanism.  Also removed the flow-control-on-modem-ctrl stuff, but I agree that has to go.
Aug 09 00:42:19 <abraxa_> mwester: So you two are on speaking terms again now? ;)
Aug 09 00:42:42 <jadams> but then, I don't even get a usb0 when I plug in
Aug 09 00:42:44 <mwester> Guilt:  I'd rather not host 2007.2 images unless necessary, but it seems that SHR will need something like that anyway.  They'll end up hosted somewhere.
Aug 09 00:42:44 <jadams> no dmesg messages
Aug 09 00:42:45 <jadams> nothing
Aug 09 00:43:01 <Guilt> i can host them up if you want :-) 
Aug 09 00:43:05 <jadams> think I'll reboot my laptop, it has all kinds of problems because of its wireless...
Aug 09 00:43:14 <kgoetz> if i get todays daily from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ will that be whats released as '2008.08'?
Aug 09 00:43:16 <mwester> abraxa_:  :)  We've always been on speaking terms, it's just a question of what type of words we might direct to each other :D
Aug 09 00:43:16 <jadams> this will be post-rootfs download from you, Guilt :)
Aug 09 00:43:30 <Guilt> hehehe :-)
Aug 09 00:43:36 <abraxa_> mwester: *laughs* - good call. And I'm more than relieved, to be honest.
Aug 09 00:44:22 <mmontour> kgoetz: no, the buildhost dailies are from the "org.openmoko.dev" branch and the official release is from (AFAIK) org.openmoko.asu.stable
Aug 09 00:44:45 <kgoetz> mmontour: roger. i'll go and find the proper image
Aug 09 00:46:16 <rtm> Is anyone successfully using a T-mobile SIM with 2008.8?
Aug 09 00:47:24 <trix> rtm, i can dial calls but i haven't received any yet (t-mobile)
Aug 09 00:47:57 <trix> i uhm, err, replaced my samsung with my FR as daily use phone yesterday
Aug 09 00:48:09 <mwester> Nope, but I haven't tried the AT&T sim either.  But it won't call with the T-Mobile SIM; earlier ASU versions would.
Aug 09 00:49:22 <kgoetz> mmontour: i've found the 0808 images - might leave them to download at work though ;)
Aug 09 00:49:23 <rtm> trix: Thanks - I was having trouble with mine, but now it seems to have started working.
Aug 09 00:49:30 <kgoetz> afk for a while though
Aug 09 00:50:27 <rooly|away> is there any cmd method to put the phone into standby mode?
Aug 09 00:51:36 <SpeedEvil> apm -s
Aug 09 00:51:38 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
Aug 09 00:51:41 <rtm> trix: Did you have to do anything to configure the dialer?   My T-Mobile SIM works fine with 2007.2, but with 2008.8 it pretends to dial, but never connects.
Aug 09 00:52:17 <trix> rtm no it worked fine for me just dialing the call as usual, that sounds pretty bad though.
Aug 09 00:52:48 <trix> i'm reflashing to 2007.2 again, myself
Aug 09 00:53:21 <mwester> YES!   :)  2008.8 uses apm when it sleeps (unlike qtopia and earlier versions of ASU).
Aug 09 00:54:02 <rtm> trix: I'll be going back to 2007.2 again soon too.   2008.8 is really amazingly buggy.
Aug 09 00:55:40 <trix> rtm, yeah, i'm pretty sure i've missed a few calls today with the new software. i was starting to feel pretty confident about using 2007* as a daily use phone, call quality issues notwithstanding
Aug 09 00:59:41 <Dave> silly rabbit!
Aug 09 00:59:59 <trix> i know, i know.
Aug 09 01:02:00 <dbmoodb> rtm: yep
Aug 09 01:03:20 <rtm> Does anyone know what the three small + signs at the bottom of the 2008.8 home screen do, if anything?
Aug 09 01:04:17 <lpotter> qtopia uses apm to sleep
Aug 09 01:05:27 <jadams> I want 2008.8 on a neo
Aug 09 01:05:37 <dbmoodb> jadams: its really not worth it atm
Aug 09 01:05:47 <dbmoodb> put it on an sd card 
Aug 09 01:05:47 <spdr_> i want 2008 to work on my neo.
Aug 09 01:05:50 <jadams> fso supposedly gets the neo gps working on the next milestone
Aug 09 01:06:05 <jadams> anyone using a neo daily as a phone?
Aug 09 01:06:06 <rtm> jadams: The rootfs shipped with the neo1973 was more functional.
Aug 09 01:06:21 <spdr_> jadams, did once, with 2007.02
Aug 09 01:06:26 <spdr_> not so reliable ..
Aug 09 01:07:06 <mwester> lpotter: grep found  /sys/power/state in the sources, with code that looked like it was working code...
Aug 09 01:07:18 <lpotter> yes, thats what it used to do.
Aug 09 01:07:27 <spdr_> people complaint the hear themselves echo, and when i had another call pending it cut me off both
Aug 09 01:07:38 <lpotter> when I integrated your kernel, I made it use aps
Aug 09 01:07:39 <lpotter> apm
Aug 09 01:08:03 <mwester> Ah, ok.  I can't say I'm a fan of apm, but at least it lets other apps participate in the suspend/resume stuff.  
Aug 09 01:08:11 <dbmoodb> acpi anyone ?
Aug 09 01:08:57 <spdr_> oh, flashing led == kernel panic :\
Aug 09 01:09:06 <dbmoodb> spdr_: or charging 
Aug 09 01:09:08 <mwester> lpotter:  Is there a tar image for qtopia as well?  I'm trying to see if I can fit one of every image on my SD card... :D
Aug 09 01:09:29 <lpotter> there is a binary only tarblal update
Aug 09 01:09:33 <spdr_> i thought charging was constant led
Aug 09 01:09:46 <Guilt> mwester: your kernel looks promising
Aug 09 01:09:47 <Guilt> :-)
Aug 09 01:10:01 <mwester> lpotter:  thanks, I'll download that.
Aug 09 01:10:20 <dbmoodb> spdr_: good point
Aug 09 01:10:27 <spdr_> back to 2007..
Aug 09 01:10:52 <jadams> does anything like a usable shr exist?
Aug 09 01:11:36 <greg-g> quick question, does anyone know which Creative Commons license the schematics will be releaed under?
Aug 09 01:11:39 <dbmoodb> jadams: i wish.. for that i'm going to say debian in a chroot and 2007.2 / qtopia on it 
Aug 09 01:11:49 <dbmoodb> (debian on an sd card)
Aug 09 01:12:14 <chillywilly> lalala
Aug 09 01:12:27 <dbmoodb> anyone know who wifi works on 2008.8?
Aug 09 01:12:57 <mwester> jadams:  most recent comment from one of the SHR devs:  <MarcOChapeau> things "should" work
Aug 09 01:13:14 <mwester> :D  So I guess that would be a definite "maybe".
Aug 09 01:13:25 <greg-g> (and yes, I did read the Press Release, it wasn't in there, they just said "a Creative Commons license" with there being 6 mains ones, that doesn't help much ;) )
Aug 09 01:13:33 <Dave> :)
Aug 09 01:13:42 <Dave> more qtopia packages please!
Aug 09 01:13:44 <jadams> mwester, do you know who I would talk to if I wanted to test SHR on a neo?
Aug 09 01:13:46 <Guilt> the agps diagnostic UI is gone :((
Aug 09 01:14:02 <Dave> Guilt, huh?
Aug 09 01:14:02 <dbmoodb> Guilt: opkg install it
Aug 09 01:14:11 <Dave> There's a 2.0 version too :p
Aug 09 01:14:16 <spdr_> dbmoodb, any idea if debian will fit into the sd card that comes with FR ?
Aug 09 01:14:26 <dbmoodb> spdr_: what do you want on debian?
Aug 09 01:14:30 <Guilt> it's not in opkg list
Aug 09 01:14:36 <mwester> jadams: hang around in #openmoko-cdevel; someone might be able to help there (but they're all asleep right now)
Aug 09 01:14:38 <dbmoodb> no x --server or x apps its a yes
Aug 09 01:14:39 <spdr_> ammm, wifi and a browser
Aug 09 01:15:02 <dbmoodb> ah browser probably not --i like minimo tho....
Aug 09 01:15:04 <abraxa_> jadams: It's not ready to be tested yet, unfortunately. You can contribute as a developer, however
Aug 09 01:15:18 <spdr_> wont minimo + deb fit ?
Aug 09 01:15:28 <jadams> abraxa_, I mostly write using scripting languages these days.  Primarily Ruby.
Aug 09 01:15:30 <spdr_> i just need a new card.
Aug 09 01:15:31 <dbmoodb> well.... xorg might just with blackbox
Aug 09 01:15:52 <dbmoodb> i found i could fit that.... 
Aug 09 01:16:03 <jadams> spdr_, get a 2G, they're cheep
Aug 09 01:16:06 <jadams> cheap*
Aug 09 01:16:11 <matholio> which of the celtune repos do I not need on a FR ?
Aug 09 01:16:14 <spdr_> might as well take a bigger one
Aug 09 01:16:20 <dbmoodb> spdr_: the problem is very few are still helping out with it / contributing the debian wiki really
Aug 09 01:16:22 <spdr_> how big do they come anyways ?
Aug 09 01:16:36 <spdr_> 8 gb ?
Aug 09 01:16:52 <spdr_> dbmoodb, i find debian easy to figure out :)
Aug 09 01:17:03 <spdr_> or atleast easier
Aug 09 01:17:08 <dbmoodb> spdr_: yah well get back to me once you get things configured 
Aug 09 01:17:14 <dbmoodb> spdr_: me too  dpkg for the win
Aug 09 01:17:18 <dbmoodb> ~dpkg
Aug 09 01:17:18 <apt> well, dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs).
Aug 09 01:18:22 <dbmoodb> spdr_: try ext3 my ext2 partition and vfat one kind of died...
Aug 09 01:18:50 <dbmoodb> it was rather odd and i'm not really wanting to retest ext2 again...
Aug 09 01:19:03 <spdr_> sure ext3 should work? ill take a look once i finish flashing 2007.02
Aug 09 01:19:51 <dbmoodb> spdr_: it would work but its not that great for the sdcard apparently
Aug 09 01:20:00 <dbmoodb> it does work i have used it 
Aug 09 01:21:28 <spdr_> cool, ill give it a try
Aug 09 01:21:37 <Psi> 2008.8 is for gta01 and gta02, right?
Aug 09 01:21:39 <dbmoodb> spdr_: i didn't get gdm autologin to work for reasons unknown to me rofl
Aug 09 01:22:19 <dbmoodb> spdr_: if your going to boot into it watch which kernel you use -- see the wiki
Aug 09 01:22:54 <spdr_> reading it right now :)
Aug 09 01:23:04 <spdr_> btw, any idea what chipset is used for wifi ?
Aug 09 01:23:24 <kd8ikt> atheros
Aug 09 01:23:40 <dbmoodb> spdr_: its meant to work apparently -- i didn't test it tho
Aug 09 01:23:47 <spdr_> could it be used to inject packets? ^_^
Aug 09 01:23:54 <dbmoodb> spdr_: no
Aug 09 01:23:58 <spdr_> sucks :)
Aug 09 01:24:01 <dbmoodb> not at the present time
Aug 09 01:24:15 <wyze> does anyone here have or have used a USB UMTS (or HSDPA) dongle?
Aug 09 01:24:15 <dbmoodb> i'm trying to get an rt73 module into my kernel tho :)
Aug 09 01:24:22 <kd8ikt> Accton (WLAN 802.11b/g SiP-M WM3236AQ(Flash Ver:2.0 Atheros AR6001GZ) 
Aug 09 01:24:27 <SpeedEvil> wyze: I've thought of buying one.
Aug 09 01:24:37 <wyze> same here
Aug 09 01:24:41 <dbmoodb> wyze: check out if it works on linux first tho
Aug 09 01:24:41 <Psi> actually the 2008.8 rootfs is 68MB so ill take that as a no, since gta01 only has 64mb flash
Aug 09 01:25:01 <SpeedEvil> wyze: where are you?
Aug 09 01:25:08 <wyze> GPRS is killing me :/
Aug 09 01:25:11 <wyze> seattle
Aug 09 01:25:23 <SpeedEvil> wyze: dunno what it'd be there.
Aug 09 01:25:27 <AntonTakk> battery life, or?
Aug 09 01:25:43 <SpeedEvil> wyze: google eeepc utms
Aug 09 01:26:12 <wyze> SpeedEvil: i can figure it out, I'm just wondering if anyone has used one and what the 'actual' speed was
Aug 09 01:26:26 <SpeedEvil> wyze: _highly_ variable as to where you are.
Aug 09 01:26:33 <SpeedEvil> wyze: google seattle utms speed ?
Aug 09 01:26:54 <SpeedEvil> IITC 7Mbit/sec near heathrow in london, forex.
Aug 09 01:26:56 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
Aug 09 01:27:40 <wyze> SpeedEvil: thats not bad... UMTS or HSDPA?
Aug 09 01:30:29 <SpeedEvil> wyze: unsure.
Aug 09 01:30:37 <SpeedEvil> wyze: that is a very unusual case though.
Aug 09 01:30:49 <wyze> hmm
Aug 09 01:31:49 <linuxxr> 4GB SDHC Class 6 (7MB/sec)
Aug 09 01:31:59 <linuxxr> is that the card we need?
Aug 09 01:32:00 <AntonTakk> so, impressions of the first official asu build?
Aug 09 01:32:04 <SpeedEvil> linuxxr: not in a FR :)
Aug 09 01:32:11 <SpeedEvil> linuxxr: I mean the speed
Aug 09 01:32:18 <linuxxr> oo
Aug 09 01:32:30 <linuxxr> then whats best
Aug 09 01:32:37 <SpeedEvil> Well...
Aug 09 01:32:42 <AntonTakk> 8gb and slower  :)
Aug 09 01:32:57 <SpeedEvil> I have a 4G card in my neo1973, and I get 3M/s on it, and 12M/s on USB
Aug 09 01:33:03 <SpeedEvil> USB2 to my desktop
Aug 09 01:33:17 <linuxxr> so class 4?
Aug 09 01:33:23 <SpeedEvil> reportedly FR is slower.
Aug 09 01:33:29 <SpeedEvil> Can anyone do some tests?
Aug 09 01:33:40 <mwester> ouch.  but still, it's faster than the jffs, no?
Aug 09 01:33:43 <retracile> Oh lovely.  openmoko-today has a memory leak:
Aug 09 01:33:50 <retracile> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
Aug 09 01:33:55 <retracile> 1660 root      20   0  187m 6804  492 R 18.7  5.4  99:19.84 openmoko-today
Aug 09 01:34:10 <SpeedEvil> mwester: ext2
Aug 09 01:34:37 <SpeedEvil> retracile: that's why god gave you large cheap microSD cards, and swapon.
Aug 09 01:34:44 <retracile> The phone was very slow to respond while like this.
Aug 09 01:35:08 <retracile> SpeedEvil: Yeah, I think I'll be doing that.  But that only make the pain take longer.
Aug 09 01:35:12 <mwester> Yes, ext2/3 on the SD card vs jffs2 on the internal flash -- even with the slow SD speeds, it should still be faster.
Aug 09 01:35:28 <AntonTakk> retracile: create a script that runs once/hour and kills/restarts today?
Aug 09 01:35:40 <kd8ikt> yeah i bought a replacement 2GB card for 10$ 
Aug 09 01:35:53 <retracile> AntonTakk: ugh.
Aug 09 01:36:20 <jadams> so cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 is giving No such file or directory
Aug 09 01:36:26 <jadams> but it exists, I even tab-complete id
Aug 09 01:36:29 <jadams> it*
Aug 09 01:36:34 <kd8ikt> heh yeah thats not fixing the problem thats just sweeping it under the rug
Aug 09 01:36:58 <Dave> :)
Aug 09 01:37:05 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: yes, but it has the effect of being a *very* large rug  :)
Aug 09 01:37:42 <kd8ikt> its now hello world thats for sure
Aug 09 01:37:46 <kd8ikt> no*
Aug 09 01:38:29 * mwester has a brilliant idea -- let's write the entire phone stack, from the OS upwards, in Java!   That way we'll have no memory leak issues :D
Aug 09 01:38:44 * retracile takes careful aim at mwester
Aug 09 01:38:47 <mwester> Oh wait -- isn't someone already doing that?
Aug 09 01:38:50 <SpeedEvil> threaded intercal.
Aug 09 01:39:10 <mwester> Perl!
Aug 09 01:39:44 <mwester> actually, I think we should just run emacs on it, and write the phone stack as emacs extensions.
Aug 09 01:39:53 <kd8ikt> heh
Aug 09 01:39:53 <dbmoodb> mwester: why not just put a working stable already made distro on it rofl?
Aug 09 01:40:39 <dbmoodb> mwester: i think some one already has it 
Aug 09 01:40:54 <retracile> hm.  is hald supposed to be a memory hog too?
Aug 09 01:40:56 <retracile>  1287 haldaemo  20   0 70776  66m  540 S  0.0 53.6   0:10.72 hald               
Aug 09 01:41:00 <SpeedEvil> On this topic.
Aug 09 01:41:02 <SpeedEvil> http://qdb.us/190128
Aug 09 01:41:08 <linuxxr> SanDisk flash memory card - 8 GB - microSDHC Class 4
Aug 09 01:41:09 <linuxxr> Form Factor 	MicroSDHC
Aug 09 01:41:25 <linuxxr> is that it?
Aug 09 01:41:41 <linuxxr> http://www.antonline.com/p_SDSDQR-8192-A11M-NX_474928.htm
Aug 09 01:42:07 <linuxxr> thats 4 bucks cheaper than walmarts 4 gb
Aug 09 01:42:32 <kd8ikt> and double the pleasure
Aug 09 01:43:40 * mwester notes tigerdirect.com has the kingston 1GB microsd for USD 3.99
Aug 09 01:43:44 <mwester> costs more to ship it...
Aug 09 01:43:59 <SpeedEvil> mwester: IIRC dealextreme quoted something like $2 at 100
Aug 09 01:44:25 <retracile> Is there a preferred way of restarting hald?
Aug 09 01:45:17 <dns53> i think i've messed up my network/interfaces config on my device, can someone pastebin thair config?
Aug 09 01:45:56 <Guilt> does anyone havee the agps diagnostic UI?
Aug 09 01:46:22 <Guilt> ipk files
Aug 09 01:46:44 <stephelton> has anyone else had issues with gsm on 2008.8?
Aug 09 01:48:12 <AntonTakk> stephelton: known issues on the 2008.8 page lists gsm problems
Aug 09 01:48:33 <stephelton> AntonTakk: those aren't hat i'm seeing
Aug 09 01:48:41 <AntonTakk> ah
Aug 09 01:48:43 <stephelton> i can't even register with the network
Aug 09 01:48:47 <stephelton> i've been trying for hours
Aug 09 01:48:56 <AntonTakk> i'm just flashiing it my self, so I can't really say
Aug 09 01:49:03 <stephelton> \=
Aug 09 01:49:39 <AntonTakk> what problem you seeing?
Aug 09 01:49:39 <stephelton> the old 2007.2 gave me a menu to force the modem up/down and attempt 'auto register,' is there something similar with the 2008.8?
Aug 09 01:49:47 <stephelton> it just wont register.
Aug 09 01:50:05 <AntonTakk> exposure aka settings should let you turn gsm off/on
Aug 09 01:52:15 <stephelton> it doesn't have anything regarding gsm
Aug 09 01:52:38 <rtm> I hereby apologise for some of my earlier remarks about 2008.8.   It was extremely sluggish, and could not make calls, until I had rebooted it a few times.   Now I can make calls, and it is much less sluggish.
Aug 09 01:54:40 <AntonTakk> rtm: it needs it's morning coffee  :)
Aug 09 01:55:03 <kd8ikt> ugh i hate tiger direct mwester 
Aug 09 01:55:19 <kd8ikt> they suck the big one
Aug 09 01:55:31 <mwester> Good, that leaves more stuff for me to buy then!
Aug 09 01:55:58 <AntonTakk> heh
Aug 09 01:58:40 <Guilt> mwester: i'm getting these things in ur kernel:
Aug 09 01:58:56 <Guilt> kobject_add failed for g_ether with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory.
Aug 09 01:59:01 <mwester> :)
Aug 09 01:59:07 <Guilt> :-D
Aug 09 01:59:16 <linuxxr> a 4 ggb an a 2gb is all a guy needs
Aug 09 01:59:36 <mwester> Ignore them.  Your rootfs is trying to load modules but the drivers are built into the kernel already.
Aug 09 01:59:48 <linuxxr> get them out
Aug 09 02:00:18 <mwester> you can rename /etc/modules IIRC to stop that, but then if you reflash the original kernel, it won't boot.  So I'd suggest just to ignore the messages until you decide if you want to stay with that kernel or not.
Aug 09 02:02:17 <mwester> With the exception of some neat (I think they're neat, anyway) diagnostic things, shortly the standard OM kernel will have the "right stuff" and mine can just evaporate....
Aug 09 02:02:40 <Guilt> mwester: any idea on how to fix ecore problems
Aug 09 02:03:08 <AntonTakk> Guilt: "ecore problems"?
Aug 09 02:14:39 <Guilt> yes
Aug 09 02:16:57 <bkrus1> XorA: Hey, you there?
Aug 09 02:18:13 <Guilt> AntonTakk: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1732
Aug 09 02:20:44 <mwester> Ah, yes.  The boots.  The "NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! SPANK SPANK SPANK!!!"...  halmarks of a product that's needs a bit developer-humor removal applied yet.  :D
Aug 09 02:21:13 * mwester attempts to parse that sentence, and decides its time for break from the computer.
Aug 09 02:22:07 <AntonTakk> hrm
Aug 09 02:22:12 <AntonTakk> asu is locked up
Aug 09 02:23:40 <rooly|away> oy vey
Aug 09 02:24:19 * AntonTakk successfully executes the old fso reboot proceedure
Aug 09 02:28:20 <Guilt> mwester: how to fix that. any ideas?
Aug 09 02:29:05 <AntonTakk> make your input handle pointer not be null?
Aug 09 02:30:45 <mwester> Yeah, get a better grip on your input handle.
Aug 09 02:31:05 <mwester> Nope, no idea...
Aug 09 02:32:43 <mmaestri> anybody knows if opkg upgrade breaks in some way a fso m2 these days?
Aug 09 02:33:31 <Guilt> heh
Aug 09 02:33:32 <Guilt> humor
Aug 09 02:33:33 <niklauz> impressive... would OM run on this hardware? http://www.uniconsys.com/index.php/platforms
Aug 09 02:34:01 <mmaestri> because i've just reflashed fso...and last time i upgraded it ended all messed up
Aug 09 02:34:20 <linuxxr> u get todays image?
Aug 09 02:34:22 <mmaestri> (i'm upgrading anyway, just asking)
Aug 09 02:34:48 <linuxxr> wifi work?
Aug 09 02:34:54 <gargoyle_grin> What on earth.  I can't opkg update.
Aug 09 02:35:22 <mmaestri> linuxxr: nope, using the only fso m2 available
Aug 09 02:35:33 <gargoyle_grin> Takes forever for it to timeout on each download, but the downloads aren't succeeding.
Aug 09 02:35:51 <AntonTakk> niklauz: i don't see why not, can't guarantee hardware support for all of it, but i'm no expert
Aug 09 02:37:42 <linuxxr> i cant get todays qtopia image to download
Aug 09 02:38:50 * dbmoodb cough cough use existing stable distro cough
Aug 09 02:39:09 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rfcfe28591bf4 10/ (MANIFEST.in setup.py): add support for 'setup.py sdist'
Aug 09 02:39:10 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r8fdd4bf44b21 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Remove old autotools files
Aug 09 02:39:33 <niklauz> some of this stuff is freaking awesome, i really want a touchscreen netbook (running linux of course) that i can use to comfortably telecom, create and read simple documents and occasionally watch video
Aug 09 02:39:35 <gargoyle_grin> I thought 2008.08 was supposed to be stable...
Aug 09 02:39:37 <linuxxr> 2007.2?
Aug 09 02:39:46 <linuxxr> cough cough
Aug 09 02:40:08 <dbmoodb> cough cough debootstraps debian cough
Aug 09 02:40:23 <dbmoodb> yeah i know 2008.8 was meant to be stable.. i prefer 2007.2
Aug 09 02:40:39 <Staticwave_Ace> I prefer 2007.2 as well
Aug 09 02:41:05 <dbmoodb> lovely just tell openmoko that rofl
Aug 09 02:41:14 <niklauz> AntonTakk: it's designed to run linux and even comes with an sdk w/ a sample kernel
Aug 09 02:41:14 <gargoyle_grin> Crap.
Aug 09 02:41:35 <linuxxr> well get to hacking then
Aug 09 02:41:36 <niklauz> it's one of the selling points :D
Aug 09 02:41:48 <Staticwave_Ace> yeah
Aug 09 02:41:50 <Staticwave_Ace> get hacking
Aug 09 02:41:52 <Biovore> thats why I got it..
Aug 09 02:41:55 <dbmoodb> !start the hacking
Aug 09 02:42:03 * niklauz loves him some linux
Aug 09 02:42:07 <linuxxr> let the hacking begin
Aug 09 02:42:11 <Staticwave_Ace> that plus PhD in something completely unreleated
Aug 09 02:42:25 <dbmoodb> Staticwave_Ace: unrelated ?
Aug 09 02:42:34 <dbmoodb> oh common its all related somehow ;)
Aug 09 02:42:48 <Staticwave_Ace> dbmoodb: well, all my programming stuff is untrained
Aug 09 02:42:54 <Staticwave_Ace> I'm doing physics
Aug 09 02:43:41 <gargoyle_grin> Hmm.  Well, thanks for the input on 2008.08 vs. 2007.2
Aug 09 02:46:59 <linuxxr> i had the 2008.8 on for    for   2 hours an i didnt   make a good call
Aug 09 02:47:15 <linuxxr> so i put fso on
Aug 09 02:47:31 <linuxxr> it works
Aug 09 02:47:39 <Staticwave_Ace> flashing the new qtopia to see how it is
Aug 09 02:47:42 <Staticwave_Ace> (released today)
Aug 09 02:47:45 <gargoyle_grin> Calls work fine for me.  It's wifi... and upgrading... and screen locking... and suspend... and the keyboard... that don't work for me.
Aug 09 02:47:51 <linuxxr> link me
Aug 09 02:48:02 <linuxxr> i cant get it to download
Aug 09 02:48:14 <Staticwave_Ace> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77
Aug 09 02:48:16 <dbmoodb> gargoyle_grin: its got wifi (qtopia) ?
Aug 09 02:48:31 <Staticwave_Ace> the latest update says "Fixed: improve wifi handling"
Aug 09 02:48:34 <Staticwave_Ace> so I assume it does
Aug 09 02:49:12 <dbmoodb> wait so qtopia now has wifi ?
Aug 09 02:49:24 <Staticwave_Ace> flashing now, we'll see
Aug 09 02:49:29 <threede2> hi
Aug 09 02:49:30 <linuxxr> i still cant downloasd it
Aug 09 02:49:38 <linuxxr> im such a noob
Aug 09 02:49:44 <dbmoodb> report back
Aug 09 02:49:57 <Staticwave_Ace> linuxxr: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77
Aug 09 02:50:08 <linuxxr> thanks
Aug 09 02:50:20 <dbmoodb> works for me
Aug 09 02:50:31 <threede2> linuxxr: the world is a noob
Aug 09 02:50:38 <linuxxr> i just get vista.php 
Aug 09 02:51:00 <gargoyle_grin> Oh.  Sorry.  Was afk for a minute.
Aug 09 02:51:18 <gargoyle_grin> I'm not using qtopia.  I'm using 2008.08.
Aug 09 02:51:27 <Staticwave_Ace> linuxxr: are you using a browser?
Aug 09 02:51:41 <gargoyle_grin> Or are you suggesting that I switch to qtopia?
Aug 09 02:51:52 <Staticwave_Ace> I am testing it soon as flash is done
Aug 09 02:52:38 <linuxxr> heer we go
Aug 09 02:53:35 <dbmoodb> Staticwave_Ace: sounds like fun :)
Aug 09 02:54:53 <mmaestri> are you still having problems with usb network?
Aug 09 02:55:03 <mmaestri> is it a bug on the latest kernel?
Aug 09 02:55:27 <mwester> 2008.8 gives me an endless stream on CMS ERROR: 321 messages from the GSM, at high speed.
Aug 09 02:56:10 <mwester> Probably something very simple, but it certainly isn't going to be able to talk to the network that way.
Aug 09 02:56:28 <linuxxr> i could mak a call on 2008.8 but i couldnt hear an the other party counlnt hear me
Aug 09 02:56:32 <Pyrasi> has there been a fix for the sd card being mounted in the wrong location after suspend?
Aug 09 02:56:53 <mmaestri> can someone point me to the latest kernel that doesn't fail at usb network?
Aug 09 02:56:58 <balrog-kun> mwester: it's because there are no messages on SIM card
Aug 09 02:57:25 <balrog-kun> mwester: ti calypso reports empty sms storage in a non-standard way that qtopia doesn't know about (yet)
Aug 09 02:57:39 <mwester> But it used to work ok, didn't it?
Aug 09 02:57:51 <mwester> Or is this some new functionality?
Aug 09 02:57:52 <balrog-kun> mwester: no idea
Aug 09 02:57:59 <balrog-kun> i've not used ASU yet
Aug 09 02:58:13 <AntonTakk> mwester: maybe qtopia used to ignore unknown errors?  ;)
Aug 09 02:58:16 <koenigjm> Evenin all, I was wondering if any out there had an older neo 1973 (with a functioning LCD) that they would be willing to part with.
Aug 09 02:58:57 <koenigjm> My freerunner's screen was cracked tonight, so I am in the market for a repair
Aug 09 02:59:12 <threede2> what is ASU
Aug 09 02:59:45 <mmaestri> (it's just me having issues with usb network?)
Aug 09 02:59:47 <rooly|away> iirc, threede2, i believe it stands for "august software update"
Aug 09 02:59:53 <balrog-kun> ~asu
Aug 09 02:59:53 <apt> rumour has it, asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution.  See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan.
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