**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 02:59:56 2008 Aug 16 03:00:02 the other day Aug 16 03:00:32 i think i got the supplicant in order i think Aug 16 03:00:49 not sure Aug 16 03:00:52 k? Aug 16 03:01:00 can you ping google? Aug 16 03:01:09 rebooting/ Aug 16 03:01:30 using wireless u mean Aug 16 03:01:33 ? Aug 16 03:01:34 yeah Aug 16 03:01:38 no Aug 16 03:02:07 where are these" <>" on 2008.8 Aug 16 03:02:19 keyboard? Aug 16 03:02:57 slide up on the keyboard Aug 16 03:07:59 I much prefer the keyboards in FSO/mile2... I hope the 2008.8 doesn't become the standard. (too slow to use..) Aug 16 03:08:37 actually, i've found it to be much more fluid in use Aug 16 03:10:51 these" <>" on 2008.8 Aug 16 03:11:01 i cant find these Aug 16 03:11:22 maybe i cant see Aug 16 03:11:51 have you used opkg since the x-server started? Aug 16 03:12:20 yup i just did 10 minuits ago Aug 16 03:12:27 right Aug 16 03:12:33 you may want to restart x Aug 16 03:12:46 i usually just reboot tho Aug 16 03:13:25 its /etc/init.d/xserv-nodm or something like that Aug 16 03:13:41 just type /etc/init.d/x (tab) restart Aug 16 03:14:06 haha Aug 16 03:14:23 this git clone of the openmoko kernel is taking forever ;P Aug 16 03:24:09 what was qpe? Aug 16 03:36:31 linuxxr: what's yer status Aug 16 03:38:13 hmm Aug 16 03:38:26 are the kernel/toolchain docs on the wiki up to date? Aug 16 03:40:22 I don't know about the kernel, but I just used the toolchain (crosscompiler, no packagescript) to make compile some stuff Aug 16 03:40:40 worked quite well (besides some segfaults i have to debug) Aug 16 03:41:47 well, happy hacking, I'm need some sleep Aug 16 03:42:19 Goodnight Arcnet Aug 16 03:44:27 cant find me but i can see others position Aug 16 03:45:03 public gps addresses Aug 16 03:47:44 ok Aug 16 03:47:44 nn Aug 16 03:47:47 ip addresses will become obsoleet Aug 16 03:48:13 well maybe not Aug 16 03:49:25 :P Aug 16 03:54:18 # If you must specify a non-NMEA driver, uncomment and modify the next line Aug 16 03:54:18 #GPSD_OPTS= Aug 16 03:54:18 GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1 Aug 16 03:55:18 i think i took the # out from #GSPD_OPTS= Aug 16 03:55:32 so it may work now Aug 16 04:22:35 one paste.bin the contents of this file /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf please? Aug 16 04:41:48 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r8c25a55cb223 10/opimd/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Aug 16 04:41:48 freesmartphone.org: Fix pyneo URL Aug 16 04:41:48 freesmartphone.org: Add message PIM domain + related docs Aug 16 04:41:48 freesmartphone.org: Update API overview Aug 16 04:41:48 freesmartphone.org: Move pimd-specific exceptions from helpers.py into pimd*.py Aug 16 04:42:36 ZzzzZzZzorkman, Are you there? Aug 16 04:47:50 hey ken Aug 16 04:47:55 got your email Aug 16 04:48:31 Good. I'm sorry it took me so long to respond - I was not monitoring that mailing list yet. Aug 16 04:48:53 no biggy Aug 16 04:48:55 What do you wish the program did, that it does not yet do? Aug 16 04:49:24 its pretty fine the way it is Aug 16 04:49:56 I'm going to add a finger mode this weekend, so you don't need to use a stylus to pan. Aug 16 04:50:44 2op "I have four three new displays in the works - so each of the 90 degree rotated orientations will show a different type of astronomical display. Aug 16 04:53:29 it has a night vision mode right? Aug 16 04:53:53 No it doesn't. I should add that. Aug 16 04:54:37 i couldve swore it did i must of been thinking of stellarium Aug 16 04:54:48 Also, I have found it useful, on my Treo, to be able to turn the entire display red, for use as a night-vision flashlight at star parties. Aug 16 04:55:26 Has stellarium been ported to Openmoko phones? I haven't seen it. Aug 16 04:55:28 oh thats neat like a red theme? Aug 16 04:55:47 Solid red - so it's like a red-filtered flashlight. Aug 16 04:55:58 i doubt it stellarium i think uses opengl and i think its quite large Aug 16 04:56:28 But I need a night vision mode for the normal display too. Both are easy, of course. Aug 16 04:58:09 I can't compete with programs like stellarium, but my hope is that if I keep the footprint small, lots of people will install orrery who might not otherwise be willing to install a big astronomy program, because of memory footprint. Aug 16 05:17:47 Does anyone know if, under 2008.8, you can configure the Freerunner to dim the backlight after one time interval, and suspend after a different time interval? Aug 16 05:26:43 the FSO confichmod +x install.sh Aug 16 05:27:02 whoopz but the FSO illume config does Aug 16 05:27:28 i think you can install it to 2008... but i dunno how or if it would work Aug 16 05:28:14 kd8ikt, Thanks for the pointer. I'll give it a try. Aug 16 05:28:44 i think there is a tiny mention of it int the 2008 guide Aug 16 05:29:38 I have a bad habit of not reading TFM. Aug 16 05:29:39 hey everyone, when running "opkg update" on my freerunner I get a lot of 404 errors from downloads.openmoko.org using 2008.8... am I missing something? (I know DNS is set up correctly) Aug 16 05:29:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide Aug 16 05:30:21 Your have to install "illume-config" to have more control over power management, scrolling speeds, keyboard options, and to change how the interface looks. Aug 16 05:30:39 found it ----^ Aug 16 05:30:54 I have noticed that if I leave my GTA01 on for several hours (connected to USB), it will suddenly and quickly drain its battery. I think it spontaneously turns on the vibrator and leaves it on! Aug 16 05:30:56 anyone know how to tell a friend that their boyfriend is gay and get out sooner rather than later? :P Aug 16 05:31:02 but i did that once and the liil config wrench never showed up Aug 16 05:31:11 kd8ikt, I actually did install that. It claims to be able to control the backlight, but it seems to actually control when suspend occurs. Aug 16 05:31:22 oh really Aug 16 05:31:26 kd8ikt, I've got the little config wrench. Aug 16 05:32:27 disabled 2008's default suspend/backlight stuff or set the backlight to 1sec or somethin Aug 16 05:32:30 ? Aug 16 05:32:34 the toolchain is missing mkimage :) Aug 16 05:32:39 hey ieatlint Aug 16 05:32:43 thats funny Aug 16 05:32:49 kd8ikt, When I have my Freerunner connected to USB, I want it to never suspend, but turn off the backlight after being idle for ~5 minutes. Aug 16 05:32:54 hey kd8ikt Aug 16 05:32:56 ieatlint: How do you know they are gay? Did you have sex with him? Aug 16 05:33:05 not really funny, actually :( Aug 16 05:33:05 heh Aug 16 05:33:27 RayDar, uh, because he's not the most closet gay, and we've been telling her for years Aug 16 05:33:34 so he's really bi then Aug 16 05:33:44 and he just asked if they could move to an open relationship so he could date guys too Aug 16 05:33:50 no, i don't think so Aug 16 05:34:07 yikes Aug 16 05:34:17 ieatlint: You have to let someone make their own mistakes. The best course is to stay out of it. Aug 16 05:34:46 RayDar, heh, i don't stay out of my friends lives, but i don't make their decisions either Aug 16 05:34:56 dunno ken... thats a tall order, and given our current resouces probably not possible or atleast tough to setup Aug 16 05:35:30 actually fso might be able to do that using the framework Aug 16 05:35:34 Has anyone else noticed spontaneous quick battery drain after it has been on for several hours? Aug 16 05:35:48 i think suspend is controlled by the frameworkd, and you could just configure the daemon that calls it so see if it's charging Aug 16 05:35:53 RayDar: my freerunner drains after 6-8 hours Aug 16 05:35:58 kd8ikt, It seems like a natural thing to want to do, though. Why would anyone want to go into suspend when they are attached to the USB? Aug 16 05:36:11 * kd8ikt thinks ieatlint has the right idea Aug 16 05:36:36 but wouldnt know where to start on 2008 cause i havent spent much time with it Aug 16 05:36:41 hi any one got sound working on debian on the openmoko ? Aug 16 05:36:46 SUNWjoejaxx: My GTA01 will drain even when connected to the USB port. It will run fine for several hours and then suddenly drain the battery. I think it turns on the vibrator and leaves it on until it dies. Aug 16 05:36:54 ieatlint, Yes, that sounds like the way to do it. Thanks. Aug 16 05:37:48 * kd8ikt has been installing debian via the installer.sh for about 20min sofar Aug 16 05:37:54 RayDar: no on 3007.2 its fine fo me Aug 16 05:38:19 kd8ikt: ah ... oh i see (2007.2*) -- sure thing there are some sound modules .. but i can't get it to output anything Aug 16 05:38:51 tried manually farting with alsamixer? Aug 16 05:39:08 the plus side is the wifi works better for some reason / seems to with wpa on debian than on 2007.2 ... at least for me -- kd8ikt yeah i'm not sure .. of how to do it i put all to max.. and no luck Aug 16 05:39:08 dbmoodb: I don't understand "3007.2" Aug 16 05:39:18 i did manage to get it working before RayDar i meant 2007.2 Aug 16 05:39:38 eating is so annoying... and now all the good places are probably closed Aug 16 05:40:35 hmm i should probably document this on the wiki Aug 16 05:40:46 ieatlint: tell her to setup a "motion" linux camserver that records sound so she can spy on him or also setup a keylogger ;) Aug 16 05:40:56 if you go to build the kernel from git mkimage is missing from the toolchain Aug 16 05:41:01 kd8ikt, heh, that's no way to live Aug 16 05:41:05 keyloggers are notorious for ruining relationships Aug 16 05:41:10 though you can get it from u-boot.git Aug 16 05:41:12 :) Aug 16 05:41:37 not only is it immoral and creepy, it's also a very deep sign of distrust, which already means your relationship is a sham Aug 16 05:42:24 or you could install a keylogger and forward anonymous sections of it to her via email Aug 16 05:42:32 lol Aug 16 05:44:39 though that might instigate demestic violence cause we all know chicks are #$%$@^ crazy Aug 16 05:44:44 i could just photoshop his face onto gay porn so she'll finally believe he's gay Aug 16 05:45:01 domestic Aug 16 05:45:45 i got tired of listening to my police scanner cause more often than not it was domestic violence calls Aug 16 05:46:52 clearly you don't live in a rich enough neighbourhood Aug 16 05:47:14 the rich neighbourhoods, the scanners just go "report of a black man walking on sidewalk" Aug 16 05:47:42 dude my scanner would pick up stuff in a 10+ mile radius Aug 16 05:48:36 but sometimes i would drive around checking for babymonitors and old cordless phones Aug 16 05:48:45 those where fun times Aug 16 05:49:04 woohoo mkimage! Aug 16 05:49:14 ok back on openmoko topic i veared a bit Aug 16 05:49:21 Does anyone know if uBoot has anything to do with suspend/resume? My Freerunner at this point won't come out of suspend with OM2008.8, FSO Milestone 2, or Qtopia images, regardless of reflashes ind such. Perhaps reflashing uBoot could help? Aug 16 05:50:08 bieber, I'd be very surprised if uBoot had any effect on that. Aug 16 05:50:28 <|kb3gtn|> suspend I don't think is the same as powered off.. u-boot is only used at power on.. so It should have an effect.. Aug 16 05:50:38 <|kb3gtn|> (shouldn't) Aug 16 05:51:00 Could it be a hardware issue, then? It doesn't seem that the problem should persist across multiple distributions :/ Aug 16 05:51:35 bieber, What have you tried to get it to come out of suspend? Aug 16 05:51:59 hmm Aug 16 05:51:59 <|kb3gtn|> mine sometimes dosn't wake up eather.. on mutipule distros Aug 16 05:52:09 maybe i should look at the openmoko trac more often Aug 16 05:52:26 Hello Aug 16 05:52:30 kd8ikt: if you get sound going post how to do it on the wiki please :) Aug 16 05:52:39 it looks like i am duplicating work: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1730 Aug 16 05:52:41 This is consistent, though. It was a little spotty for a while, and now there's no way to get it out of suspend, ever Aug 16 05:53:54 bieber, I think that's more apt to be hardware than uBoot. I don't think any of the uBoot code does anything after linux is running. Aug 16 05:55:00 Blegh, so I guess it'll be back to FIC? Aug 16 05:56:41 Has anyone heard anything about similar problems? Perhaps a specific part that may be defective? Aug 16 05:57:40 bieber, I'd certainly post a message to the community mailing list about it, before sending it back to FIC. You'll get more eyeballs there, I think. Aug 16 05:59:41 * dbmoodb loads up firefox on phone Aug 16 05:59:57 dbmoodb: i'll remember you if i can boot it up in the first place Aug 16 05:59:58 --- what's the problem -- you only get 5/6 hours without suspending ? Aug 16 06:00:01 here goes Aug 16 06:00:21 kd8ikt: i didn't use the script so... Aug 16 06:03:58 kd8ikt: yikes i should have given my self some swap space -- does the script do that ? Aug 16 06:04:17 dont think so Aug 16 06:04:23 and it failed Aug 16 06:04:43 kd8ikt: .... well do it your self :) Aug 16 06:05:03 if you want / you tell me how to i can post what i have here ... Aug 16 06:05:44 pretty sure you can add a swapfile Aug 16 06:05:57 swapfile ? ... don't we need a partition ? Aug 16 06:06:06 nope Aug 16 06:06:28 ah how does one do that ? Aug 16 06:06:31 dd a file the size you want it then mkswap /filename and swapon /filename Aug 16 06:07:31 roh - are you online? Aug 16 06:07:36 dd if=/dev/zero of=/location/of/swapfileyouwant count=1 bs=1024 Aug 16 06:07:52 change count number to increase size Aug 16 06:08:33 thats for only 1k---^ Aug 16 06:08:44 kd8ikt: i found a googley pagey from google Aug 16 06:08:49 woohoo Aug 16 06:08:52 making one of 100mb Aug 16 06:09:00 booted into my new custom kernel ;) Aug 16 06:09:04 count=1000 for 1M Aug 16 06:10:01 anyone know where apm / power is controlled ? Aug 16 06:10:13 is it in the kernel hardset for the fso 2 kernel ? Aug 16 06:12:00 kd8ikt: where does one mount it ? Aug 16 06:12:08 just normally in fstab or ? Aug 16 06:12:14 hello all ! Aug 16 06:12:26 Infoport: Good Morning! :) Aug 16 06:12:41 SUNMjoejaxx how is it custom? Aug 16 06:13:03 Infoport: root@om-gta02:~# mount | grep selinux Aug 16 06:13:03 none on /selinux type selinuxfs (rw) Aug 16 06:13:03 nevermind it works now :) Aug 16 06:13:21 Infoport: ;) Aug 16 06:13:37 swapon /swap.file worked? Aug 16 06:13:41 Infoport: i enabled selinux support in the kernel Aug 16 06:14:03 after that yes you can modify fstab to automount it at boot google for the correct syntax Aug 16 06:14:16 Infoport: i also realized i was duplicating work after compiling it: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1730 Aug 16 06:14:32 SUNWjoejaxx encrypted partitions too, or just the part that warns you for insecure stuff? Aug 16 06:14:46 hmm? Aug 16 06:15:12 selinux is MAC :P Aug 16 06:16:22 SUNWjoejaxx oops, not Security Enhanced Linux? Aug 16 06:16:42 Infoport: yeah same thing Aug 16 06:17:07 i was just wondering what you meant by encrypted partitions Aug 16 06:17:09 :P Aug 16 06:17:47 Infoport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux Aug 16 06:18:19 SUNWjoejaxx I expect that to be the next step-- encrypting the data partitions and mounting them loopback, so your data is safe if your phone disappears Aug 16 06:18:51 Infoport: ah Aug 16 06:19:15 Infoport: i thought you were asking whether that was a part of selinux or not (which it is not) Aug 16 06:19:33 cmon infopart thats unneeded overhead Aug 16 06:20:03 lol Aug 16 06:20:24 kd8ikt yeah I am just going to keep my xxx pictures somewhere else and not encrypt :-P Aug 16 06:20:55 i mean my laptop uses dm-crypt AES fulldisk encryption... but for this lil phone.... overkill Aug 16 06:21:02 i guess someone could figure out my friends and contacts Aug 16 06:21:50 kd8ikt: i agree anything secure encrypt and store elsewhere ... / download as you need via scp then wipe / shredd if need be Aug 16 06:22:35 actually I think a "call home" program, for if the phone is stolen, would be much better usefulness Aug 16 06:22:48 yes Aug 16 06:22:55 find the sucker that stole it Aug 16 06:23:01 Infoport: oh yeah enable gps and then phone home via net / sms Aug 16 06:23:12 dbmoodb: haha! Aug 16 06:23:15 GPRS email Aug 16 06:23:34 kd8ikt: sms too.. don't want to risk them taking the sim out and loose a gprs config / setup Aug 16 06:23:39 dbmoodb wipe/shred programs would wear out your storage (although seems like a good idea, have to balance need vs wear) Aug 16 06:24:10 but within a day or two they will probably reflash Aug 16 06:24:28 kd8ikt: can they do that from windowsz? Aug 16 06:24:51 ooo pretty floating debian on my phone Aug 16 06:25:01 so biweekly updates? Aug 16 06:25:12 i supose Aug 16 06:25:45 mmm...I guess I need to see what I can do with Qtopia now. install it but havent done much Aug 16 06:26:06 oooh maybe I can see stars tonight too to go with orrery! Aug 16 06:26:25 Infoport, I hope so. Aug 16 06:26:30 heh Aug 16 06:27:55 dbmoodb: haha :) how do you like debian on your openmoko? Aug 16 06:30:19 mm there is a bug---i can't get to the keyboard after going gnome-screensaver -l (lock) oh well... Aug 16 06:30:34 dbmoodb: ah :\ Aug 16 06:30:36 SUNWjoejaxx: i like i'm a apt-get debian guy Aug 16 06:30:50 dbmoodb: :) Aug 16 06:31:11 fso has some bug tho with my sim card pin or blah Aug 16 06:41:14 is there a tar of the kernel source that the kernel image was build (conf file, make, make modules, make install, Module.symvers. etc.) on? Aug 16 06:41:39 so u can just grab it and cross compile? (or at least try) Aug 16 06:42:00 think you have to use git to grab it Aug 16 06:42:34 wiki is a chaos :D I cant find anything Aug 16 06:43:30 nmap 6.68 w00t Aug 16 06:43:35 4.68* Aug 16 06:43:36 my god.. i just found a pizza place that's open till 2:30am and delivers for free Aug 16 06:43:42 and the pizza is pretty decent Aug 16 06:44:00 what time you got? over here its 2:44 Aug 16 06:44:08 AM Aug 16 06:44:11 i'm west coast Aug 16 06:44:23 so... 12:00? Aug 16 06:44:31 in 13min, yeah Aug 16 06:44:40 hmm, this clock is fast, 15min Aug 16 06:45:10 hmm Aug 16 06:45:18 the 24hour places are not good Aug 16 06:45:25 * phrozen77_ waiting for the delivery of his FR Aug 16 06:45:40 if it doesnt arrive today - the postman will be hung up Aug 16 06:45:40 you're supposed to be drunk or high enough not to care Aug 16 06:46:43 well no Aug 16 06:46:48 its 8:45 am Aug 16 06:47:01 where are you? mainland europe, i surmise Aug 16 06:47:08 yup, germany Aug 16 06:47:24 nice, which part? Aug 16 06:47:28 bavaria Aug 16 06:47:29 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/16/0037221&from=rss Aug 16 06:47:35 nice Aug 16 06:48:38 s Aug 16 06:48:38 09:47:35 < ieatlint> nice Aug 16 06:48:49 oops, sry Aug 16 06:50:02 oooh, estonia Aug 16 06:50:07 those slashdotters are idiots Aug 16 06:50:20 glad to see russia isn't knocking you offline these days :P Aug 16 06:50:22 mhm Aug 16 06:50:33 the moko on slashdot? Aug 16 06:50:37 slashdot is almost as worse as 4chan /b/ Aug 16 06:52:27 and symbian will never be open (sure you can develop apps for the j2me but that doesnt cut it) as for android they have adopted a license that allows them to whore open software but not contribute back to it and allow companies/service providers to relock it down again... Aug 16 06:52:49 like what archos has done Aug 16 06:53:11 they use linux but they lock it up so you will never get a root shell Aug 16 06:53:18 so it doesnt matter Aug 16 06:53:23 might as well be windows Aug 16 06:53:46 symbian allows native language Aug 16 06:54:04 ? Aug 16 06:54:24 symbian has a jre, but you can develop in native code Aug 16 06:54:43 still the underlying system is still locked up/propreitary you cant modify the kernel or rest of the OS Aug 16 06:55:06 ieatlint: heh.. they didn't even last year Aug 16 06:55:06 oh, for sure, plus you are restricted as to what hardware you can access and how Aug 16 06:55:16 yes Aug 16 06:55:21 symbian? Aug 16 06:55:27 its bullcrap Aug 16 06:55:42 my last phone was a nokia n80... i was running native code apps on it since june 2006 Aug 16 06:56:02 doesnt that have linux installed? Aug 16 06:56:10 no Aug 16 06:56:17 symbian s60v3 Aug 16 06:56:32 anyway, android is locked, but i will be very curious to see it on the FR Aug 16 06:56:47 no way they can lock it up on the FR Aug 16 06:57:49 ieatlint: is there anyone seriously working on bringing android to FR? Aug 16 06:58:17 two koolu guys were at linuxworld, and they assured us they were Aug 16 06:58:30 they didn't have a date, since there's no date for any android phone Aug 16 06:58:47 but they said it should be at the same time as other phones get it, or shortly thereafter Aug 16 06:59:44 mkay Aug 16 06:59:50 i would like to see android on freerunner, sofar googling openmoko and android bring nothing but versus type posts Aug 16 07:00:03 not a union of the two Aug 16 07:00:13 that is a bit disturbing Aug 16 07:00:18 well, it will be interesting to see, but it likely will still be closed Aug 16 07:00:41 it will lock onto the hardware and you will be stuck in their system Aug 16 07:01:01 what they wont provide source? Aug 16 07:01:12 so we can install an ssh server Aug 16 07:01:23 they are... but i'm unsure how they have it all setup Aug 16 07:01:42 the issue is if they put a file lock on a piece of hardware, we can't use it Aug 16 07:02:00 so if they take control of the gps, for instance, we have to use their system to access the gps Aug 16 07:03:04 like the FSO api only it wont allow anything else from accessing /dev/ttySAC1 or the /sys/class filesystem? Aug 16 07:03:33 fso is making a server like gpsd that'll feed you the straight nmea data Aug 16 07:03:57 so it's a "just as good" solution (that you could disable and just use the hardware without fso) Aug 16 07:05:16 it will be interesting, anyway Aug 16 07:11:17 kd8ikt: ? Aug 16 07:11:37 yea Aug 16 07:11:39 something about slashdotters and idiots ? Aug 16 07:11:59 kd8ikt: how does one set the audio manually using alsamixer -- what do i max and what do i turn on / off ? Aug 16 07:12:09 do you honestly care that much about my opinion? Aug 16 07:12:24 kd8ikt: not really -- i find it funny (slashdot) Aug 16 07:12:50 goodluck dbmoodb, the alsa channels are ... confusing, at best Aug 16 07:12:53 i honestly dont know alsamixer on the the freerunner is a tad ocnfusing Aug 16 07:12:53 lpotter: ping Aug 16 07:13:36 heh lint Aug 16 07:13:50 damn it Aug 16 07:14:36 it doesnt come with the basic freerunner alsa states? Aug 16 07:15:11 i'd figure it'd just be a matter of loading those alsastates that have already been created Aug 16 07:15:24 well i loaded some ... Aug 16 07:15:30 there were no alsa states to start with Aug 16 07:15:40 find the ipkg that has em Aug 16 07:15:56 ... there are online .. no ? Aug 16 07:16:04 check buildhost daily-feed Aug 16 07:16:21 kd8ikt: i thought i got them ... Aug 16 07:16:28 see the manual debian page ... Aug 16 07:18:12 dbmoodb, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem has the details... but i wouldn't fuck with it unless you have a lot of time Aug 16 07:18:35 there are a bunch of predefined alsa states Aug 16 07:19:55 ieatlint: yeah i'm trying to use some.. -- don't i just go blah alsactl -f /etcb.alalah file store ? Aug 16 07:20:11 restore Aug 16 07:20:16 but yeah Aug 16 07:20:21 ieatlint: can't restore there is no state Aug 16 07:20:24 heh you saved the current state to the file Aug 16 07:20:46 "find / | grep state$" will show you all the audio states on the phone Aug 16 07:20:47 oh ? Aug 16 07:21:09 ieatlint: i know where they are they are under /etc/alsa_save... Aug 16 07:21:22 varies from image to image :P Aug 16 07:21:40 ieatlint: i copied them to there Aug 16 07:22:44 so i get a message saying no present state is stored for neo1973 sound card.. Aug 16 07:23:51 oops last time i read of the lil screen rofl Aug 16 07:29:29 Hi! Aug 16 07:30:25 hey lothar Aug 16 07:30:34 back in germany? Aug 16 07:32:04 ah so i still can't this to load the file... any ideas Aug 16 07:32:21 How long does the battery for the FR model will work (this night it has been drained, but I was able to charge again) ? Aug 16 07:32:45 hey i think i finnaly got debian to start, yup x just fired up Aug 16 07:33:26 kd8ikt: good Aug 16 07:34:08 kd8ikt: was my fault using the wrong sound configs --- where did you say the freerunners ones are? Aug 16 07:34:44 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/alsa-states_0.1.0-r19_om-gta02.ipk Aug 16 07:35:09 ah i can't just use an ipk on debian you know rofl Aug 16 07:35:24 - what format is it ? tar or .. Aug 16 07:35:34 wow on debian zhone runs super fast Aug 16 07:35:50 hold on let me extract it Aug 16 07:35:52 kd8ikt: no really -- and people were like debian would be slow Aug 16 07:36:16 kd8ikt: oh i missed that yeah you can just extract it ... rofl Aug 16 07:36:20 people are stupid... individuals are smart Aug 16 07:36:49 ah kd8ikt there states are not in that file ... Aug 16 07:36:55 like ieatlint even though he likes to eat pocket lint he really is intelligent Aug 16 07:37:09 # Dummy file, do not delete Aug 16 07:37:26 hey, i'm not intelligent, i already explained how i write code Aug 16 07:37:31 ok, but how do i pop up a console or something, zhone is the only thing i can see Aug 16 07:37:38 control alt x Aug 16 07:37:40 console pops up with AUX but... Aug 16 07:37:44 i have a room filled with a bunch of chinese people who write code in exchange for food Aug 16 07:37:47 and aux for keyboard .. if you have installed it Aug 16 07:37:51 er i mean kkeyboard Aug 16 07:38:54 alt-x does nothin Aug 16 07:39:16 kd8ikt: ... control alt x Aug 16 07:39:46 ah Aug 16 07:42:33 ok, who wants a free stress test? Aug 16 07:43:16 ieatlint: care to send us your alsa states ? Aug 16 07:43:39 this debian is pretty bangarang Aug 16 07:43:41 uhm Aug 16 07:43:48 i'm using fso Aug 16 07:43:54 i can send you fso's alsa states Aug 16 07:44:04 that's good :) Aug 16 07:44:12 kd8ikt: bandarang ? Aug 16 07:44:12 and it uses zhone/freesmartphonedbus Aug 16 07:44:26 my freerunner cant see any ip outside my network Aug 16 07:44:28 ieatlint: that would be great just post it / them some where Aug 16 07:44:42 ok, give me a min or two Aug 16 07:45:03 sad i only have like 80M space left Aug 16 07:45:34 could someone clarify something for me in these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Installing_Qtopia Aug 16 07:46:10 they refer to /media/mmcblk0p2, but I don't have that. I'm guessing my counterpart is /media/mmc1? Aug 16 07:46:40 ugh Aug 16 07:46:58 kd8ikt: nfs ? Aug 16 07:47:02 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/alsa.state.tgz Aug 16 07:47:10 if that link doesn't work, i typoed Aug 16 07:47:15 benlake: do a df Aug 16 07:47:19 and that will extract 6 states to the pwd Aug 16 07:47:47 malik1972: neither is mounted Aug 16 07:48:22 malik1972: well ok / is mounted so everything in /media is mounted, but no specific mount point in fstab Aug 16 07:48:54 benlake: do you want to install qtopia on sd? Aug 16 07:48:57 i need to try that debian kd8ikt Aug 16 07:49:06 and apparently get a larger microsd card Aug 16 07:49:46 malik1972: I was under the impression I was revamping the phone Aug 16 07:49:58 i installed it on my stock 512 card Aug 16 07:50:06 heh Aug 16 07:50:09 i got myself a 8gb Aug 16 07:50:11 :) Aug 16 07:50:14 let the installer do the partitioning Aug 16 07:50:16 benlake: p2 should be the 2nd partition on your sd Aug 16 07:50:34 my mplayer just freezes atm Aug 16 07:50:59 but before i rebooted i changed the boot partition back to vfat malik1972: /media/card is my SD, no? Aug 16 07:51:17 cause the installer uses ext2 for the 1st part(/boot) Aug 16 07:51:33 benlake: normally the 1st partition ist mounted to /media/card Aug 16 07:51:55 just watch it -- the suspending seems to kill the phone's sdcard (on the larger ones) people.. so if your playing with debian remember that... Aug 16 07:51:59 i don't believe in the number 8, so i'm unable to get 8gb cards Aug 16 07:52:03 malik1972: like I said there are no specific mount points to anything /media Aug 16 07:52:28 benlake: if not you are free to do so:-) Aug 16 07:52:37 malik1972: if there are supposed to be then... *cough*, this is a stock FR Aug 16 07:53:48 malik1972: gotta hint at what device the SD is? Aug 16 07:53:53 benlake: i have 4 partitions, 1st fat, the rest ext3, in all systems the 1st partition is mounted to /media/card, the others are not considered Aug 16 07:54:52 ieatlint: perhaps i need pulseaudio for fso on debian ? Aug 16 07:55:19 benlake: try it yourself: mkdir blabla; mount -t yourfstype /dev/sdf1 blabla Aug 16 07:55:27 malik1972: /dev/sda1 /media/hdd vfat noauto,umask=000,noatime,iocharset=utf8,codepage=932 0 0, hmm Aug 16 07:55:54 benlake: okay, sda ... Aug 16 07:56:18 dbmoodb, perhaps you concentrate too much on what you need and not on what others need Aug 16 07:56:20 sound works for me Aug 16 07:56:30 malik1972: also: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card Aug 16 07:56:33 then again, i'm a tad tipsy, and i don't make sense when sober Aug 16 07:56:37 kd8ikt: really ? Aug 16 07:56:48 i used lints tarball and restored stereo out and am now playing mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad24.pls Aug 16 07:56:56 ;) Aug 16 07:57:03 lints tarball ? Aug 16 07:57:04 malik1972: the fstab comment says /media/hdd is "USB storage"? Aug 16 07:57:06 benlake: what distribution? on the desktop side? Aug 16 07:57:25 havent been able to make a call with zhone though Aug 16 07:57:32 careful on giving me too much credit for tarring files from my freerunner and uploading them :P Aug 16 07:57:42 malik1972: default ship with FR... um can't remember the name Aug 16 07:57:42 as involved as the process is.. Aug 16 07:57:54 malik1972: 2007.2 or something Aug 16 07:58:06 well it stoped me from doing it Aug 16 07:58:43 benlake: you dont see that it is mounted? then try to mount it yourself, see above Aug 16 07:59:02 kd8ikt: yayay sound works now -- thanks ieatlint Aug 16 07:59:23 its dodgy as hell but it works Aug 16 07:59:24 malik1972: mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist Aug 16 07:59:31 dunno why but i constantly get problemswith zhone Aug 16 07:59:41 enjoy... Aug 16 07:59:55 or else Aug 16 08:00:57 UAAAAAAARG Aug 16 08:00:58 malik1972: /dev/sda1 doesn't exist either, I have no idea why those entries are in fstab Aug 16 08:00:59 benlake: okay, maybe your partition table is messy Aug 16 08:01:09 no FR for me today Aug 16 08:01:15 postman just drove by Aug 16 08:01:37 benlake: there is a kernel bug, do you have a card reader so that you can test on the sektop side? Aug 16 08:01:53 benlake: or try the following Aug 16 08:02:26 malik1972: apparently.. when following the first instruction for the rootfs, I used /media/mmc1 which was what I thought was being referred to.. think I messed anything up? not in regards to partitions, just anything non-reversable? Aug 16 08:03:05 benlake: try "sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0" Aug 16 08:03:12 malik1972: think I can get a card reader, dunno it it'll work with Hardy Aug 16 08:03:15 ok, installing debian's distro on my spare neo Aug 16 08:03:24 we'll see just how useful this is Aug 16 08:03:46 or more importantly, how long before the install fucks up because networking seems unreliable on the neo Aug 16 08:03:55 malik1972: sfdisk not found, fdisk? Aug 16 08:04:11 benlake: okay, then fdisk and the output of "p" Aug 16 08:04:48 malik1972: no device :( Aug 16 08:05:11 benlake: add p0 at the end Aug 16 08:06:25 malik1972: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396 Aug 16 08:06:35 malik1972: those are the only devices I have Aug 16 08:07:21 benlake: ohhh Aug 16 08:07:38 malik1972: sounds like one of us has a clue :P Aug 16 08:08:12 malik1972: oh, I didn't partition my SD Aug 16 08:08:26 benlake: that should not be the problem Aug 16 08:08:28 malik1972: bah! Aug 16 08:08:38 fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 16 08:08:48 is the sdcard Aug 16 08:09:03 oh well then I fail, because I lack that Aug 16 08:09:24 fdisk fails with that cmd? Aug 16 08:09:42 fdisk: cannot open /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 16 08:09:43 ? Aug 16 08:09:55 then something is horribly wrong hardware or kernel Aug 16 08:10:19 well it came this way :/ Aug 16 08:10:19 you sure you put the card in? Aug 16 08:10:37 its in, I'm wondering if there is a HW or seeding problem Aug 16 08:11:02 benlake: shutdown and try it with a card reader Aug 16 08:11:18 to see if the card is good? Aug 16 08:11:28 benlake: yes Aug 16 08:11:39 let me see if I can find one, one sec Aug 16 08:12:02 benlake: what kind of sd you have, the stock one? Aug 16 08:18:47 malik1972: yes Aug 16 08:22:44 Hi, Aug 16 08:23:00 ahoi Aug 16 08:23:52 has anybody got a working connection from a Bluetooth phone to syncronize the photos made ? Aug 16 08:26:27 blasted netsplits :\ Aug 16 08:26:33 malik1972: I have failed to acquire a reader Aug 16 08:30:12 malik1972: still around? Aug 16 08:32:07 hello i have a problem with my neofreerunner and gps sight. he never get really connection, only once per minute Aug 16 08:35:00 petrus_der_6, wenn sie deutsch sind, #neo1973-germany Aug 16 08:35:46 ok danke.. mein englisch ist so grottenschlecht ;) Aug 16 08:36:24 ja, und mein deutsch ist doch schlecht... Aug 16 08:37:11 also, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Aug 16 08:38:03 i have the daly built image Aug 16 08:38:13 and the daily kernel? Aug 16 08:38:14 i like the word grottenschlecht , what does that mean? Aug 16 08:38:29 very bad :P Aug 16 08:38:48 it means very bad Aug 16 08:38:57 thanks Aug 16 08:39:13 although it's colloquial Aug 16 08:39:24 schlecht is bad, grotten.. i'm not too sure about :P Aug 16 08:39:47 very very very bad... Aug 16 08:40:11 ich kann dich verstehen, so schlecht... aber nicht schreklich Aug 16 08:40:22 finally i know what to say to germans.... mein deutsch ist grottenschlecht! Aug 16 08:40:46 the other thing i can say is "ich bin ein berliner" :P Aug 16 08:41:01 :) Aug 16 08:41:06 ... i'm a jelly donut Aug 16 08:41:08 classic Aug 16 08:41:52 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ Aug 16 08:42:29 openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Aug 16 08:42:32 benlake_ pong Aug 16 08:42:47 okay, you're using 2007.2 then Aug 16 08:43:00 are you on ssh? Aug 16 08:43:04 yes Aug 16 08:43:09 anyone tried the debian install? Aug 16 08:43:13 no Aug 16 08:43:32 which gps app are you using? Aug 16 08:43:38 gps sight Aug 16 08:43:47 and it's not getting a lock? Aug 16 08:43:54 that is, it cannot find where you are Aug 16 08:44:20 ieatlint: any idea why my freerunner powers off after the initial openmoko uboot screen? Aug 16 08:44:30 trupheenix, it hates you Aug 16 08:44:39 your battery is flat? Aug 16 08:44:42 or perhaps the battery is dead Aug 16 08:44:42 trupheenix: empty battery? Aug 16 08:44:53 i think it just hates you Aug 16 08:45:17 tedo: yea possibly battery is flat Aug 16 08:45:34 dns53: yea possibly battery is dead Aug 16 08:45:44 dns53 how long before it can boot up? Aug 16 08:45:47 " cat /dev/ttySAC1 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/82374/ Aug 16 08:46:22 ok, you're getting a lock, and you just told us all where you are Aug 16 08:46:22 tedo actually it's connected to the USB port on my machine and still it refuses to boot Aug 16 08:46:36 trupheenix: thats normal, see the wiki Aug 16 08:47:03 well you can only use external power after the kernel has loaded, take out your sim and sd card boot it and hope that you can get it far enough to boot and start charging the battery Aug 16 08:47:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery Aug 16 08:47:11 tedo: i did a NOR boot and it started Aug 16 08:47:22 i'm in a small village with 63 people ;) Aug 16 08:48:00 you need a nokia battery, power the neo, swap the battery after it is running off usb power (the red led is on) Aug 16 08:48:07 petrus_der_6: just 63 ppl?! woah kewl. i'm in a city with 30 million ppl lol Aug 16 08:48:23 where's that, mexico city? Aug 16 08:48:57 ieatlint: Mumbai, India Aug 16 08:49:16 latitude, ° nan N Aug 16 08:49:28 longitude,° nan E Aug 16 08:49:39 Satellites 0 Aug 16 08:49:58 petrus_der_6: you are outside? Aug 16 08:50:12 no Aug 16 08:51:07 altitude works also speed Aug 16 08:51:39 petrus_der_6: alt cannot work if you don't have a fix Aug 16 08:51:47 heading probably Aug 16 08:52:36 tedo: i have the same problem as petrus_der_6 Aug 16 08:52:46 seems a bug in gpssight Aug 16 08:53:20 Zorkman: ok, then no gps problem Aug 16 08:57:36 is there anywhere a track from gpssight? Aug 16 08:58:41 petrus_der_6: if you trie openmoko-agpsui or tangoGPS you will probably see that your gps is working fine, you can also listen to the NMEA data from the gps directly btw Aug 16 08:58:59 g2g now Aug 16 09:00:50 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/82376/ Aug 16 09:01:57 So.. the wiki has about 4 pages describing how to build openmoko software and I can't necessarily tell which one is most relevent Aug 16 09:02:25 I'm assuming using the mokomakefile is generally the preferred way to set up a build environment Aug 16 09:02:59 the wiki really needs a clean up Aug 16 09:03:13 It's incredibly confusing Aug 16 09:03:18 information while useful is everywhere on it Aug 16 09:04:46 So, let's assume that I want to make my own rootfs from the latest git repos and then develop software for that environment Aug 16 09:05:09 hi Aug 16 09:05:21 hey Arcnet Aug 16 09:06:04 in agpsui ist works perfect Aug 16 09:06:12 hm. here's a problem. the ringer doesn't work Aug 16 09:08:07 the tone. Aug 16 09:08:10 what's wrong? Aug 16 09:08:24 Hey, has anyone here successfully installed Debian on the Freerunner using the official script? My install keeps hanging in the FSO stage with "E: Couldn't find package zhone-session". Aug 16 09:13:46 just finished a fresh deb install /dev/mmcblk0p2 891.7M 389.8M 456.6M 46% /mnt/debian Aug 16 09:14:29 450MB free space should suffice for extra bs Aug 16 09:14:40 better then my previous 80MB Aug 16 09:14:44 aristos_achaion: ah ... no clue but the pin entry isn't working atm Aug 16 09:15:26 kd8ikt: its nice but ... just get the right sound working -- kd8ikt if you get it working with a micr / input record the files -- aristos_achaion see the wiki on how to do it manually / follow the script manually Aug 16 09:18:27 yes cause i plan on sooner or later setting up a client that allows one to record a 10-15 sec recording then send it to a server that transcodes it and plays it via icecast (while the client also is connected constantly/plays it back Aug 16 09:18:54 so we can have a voip radio type repeater Aug 16 09:19:04 lol ham radio for life Aug 16 09:19:26 only this will be unlicensed and fcc regulation free so you can cuss like a sailor Aug 16 09:19:33 heh Aug 16 09:20:37 shouldnt be too tough to script up Aug 16 09:21:21 tangogps says no gps found Aug 16 09:21:37 and yes i'm still cleaning my room Aug 16 09:29:43 hiho all. Has anyone managed to get recent buildhost stack to make outgoing calls ? Aug 16 09:33:23 qtopia makes the best and most stable phone stack Aug 16 09:35:53 dns53, I'd have to agree it is probably the one that appears to work best out of the box but that's not the point ;-) Aug 16 09:38:24 Argh! I hate flashing rootfs images to NAND Aug 16 09:38:30 takes forever Aug 16 09:38:55 all the stacks at the moment seem to have strengths and weaknesses, but currently looking at the buildserver stack and wonder if there is some trick to get gsm to work for outgoing calls Aug 16 09:39:01 hullo Aug 16 09:39:46 TankC, is booting/updating SD any better ? Aug 16 09:39:58 so, I just got three empty texts from a "Telenor@@@@e'," Aug 16 09:40:15 hipitihop: I don't know if it's worth the effort of opening the back end up every time Aug 16 09:40:32 Telenor being my gsm provider Aug 16 09:41:26 is it my freerunner's fault or theirs, you think? Aug 16 09:43:14 TankC1, if that is an issue you can update the SD across the USB connection but that's probably not quicker then flashing Aug 16 09:44:09 hipitihop: yeah, I'm wondering if it's a result of the USB 1.1 cap or something else Aug 16 09:44:53 TankC1, TankC who is who or are you the same ? Aug 16 09:45:19 I was disconnected, sorry Aug 16 09:45:25 hold on a second Aug 16 09:46:21 So has anyone got a useful application using accelerometers yet ? Aug 16 09:46:39 yes it does the screen rotate Aug 16 09:46:54 dns53, link ? Aug 16 09:46:55 i find this feature really super cool Aug 16 09:46:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures Aug 16 09:47:04 the fact that you can hold the device the way you want Aug 16 09:47:16 upside down :-D Aug 16 09:47:23 yeah Aug 16 09:47:46 i want someone to write a pedometer now it can detect up/down gestures Aug 16 09:48:12 dns53, excellent, your contribution ? Aug 16 09:48:21 I think the accelerometer dbus api has been exposed in FSO milestone II, right? Aug 16 09:48:32 perhaps, i need to get something to build yet Aug 16 09:48:40 and apparently it's useable Aug 16 09:49:04 TankC: where the gestures implemented using it or not ? Aug 16 09:49:19 dns53, will this run on my buildhost based stack from 080813 ? Aug 16 09:49:28 were* Aug 16 09:49:48 give it a try it suggests it should work on any stack Aug 16 09:51:29 :) Aug 16 09:55:08 CVirus: I'm not sure Aug 16 09:56:52 Yeah... FSO Milestone II is nice Aug 16 09:57:56 usable as phone? Aug 16 09:58:13 more usable than 2008.0 imo Aug 16 09:58:16 err Aug 16 09:58:20 2008.8* Aug 16 09:58:41 can it do pim-sync? Aug 16 09:58:43 2008.8 is great once you ssh to the box and install the apps you need Aug 16 09:58:58 all i need is calling people and pim-sync Aug 16 09:59:08 ronny: no, I think that's planned for Milestone III Aug 16 09:59:19 hmmk Aug 16 09:59:46 time to install Aug 16 10:00:13 hmm, pim-sync is important for everyone like me killing the data on the phone on regular basis via re-flash Aug 16 10:01:09 TankC: No pim-sync planed for MS3 Aug 16 10:01:18 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap Aug 16 10:01:32 For now we stay with contacts and SMS on the SIM card Aug 16 10:02:15 MS4 starts gsoc integration which could deliver some pim stuff. Not sure how far it got Aug 16 10:02:37 Ahh, ok. Thanks for clarifying Aug 16 10:03:46 no problem Aug 16 10:05:48 stefan_schmidt: what is the Htop icon supposed to do? On my freerunner I have to manually invoke Htop from the terminal, the desktop icon seems defective. Aug 16 10:06:52 TankC: Same here. htop provides an .desktop file when installed so illume picked it up and shows it on the launcher. Still it need an xterm to actually work Aug 16 10:07:08 hey ronny :P Aug 16 10:07:13 TankC: We use it like you from a ssh connection. Aug 16 10:07:34 TankC: Just nobody bothered to blacklist it for illume Aug 16 10:07:40 Ah, i see Aug 16 10:11:11 stefan_schmidt: its on the sim card? any drawbacks other than lack of funky things like mail/birthdate/other insane metadata tihngs ? Aug 16 10:11:27 hmm, i think its fine for me that way Aug 16 10:13:53 ronny: Contacts and SMS are on the SIM for now yes. No other drawbacks then the limited contact data fields. Aug 16 10:14:10 GREAT Aug 16 10:14:14 ronny: For now it is the easiest way to have it after reflash and on different phones... Aug 16 10:14:48 would anyone recommend to install debian? Aug 16 10:15:27 Why is suspend/resume being implemented on ASU while it's in FSO to-do list ? Aug 16 10:15:34 sevenhundred: if you want to help in development Aug 16 10:15:34 roadmap rather Aug 16 10:16:09 CVirus: Because it needs some time until ASU is moving over to FSO and until then both need suspend/resume Aug 16 10:16:13 dns53, can't seem to get gestures to work, at least on 080813 :-( Aug 16 10:16:23 i'm installing debian now Aug 16 10:16:29 stefan_schmidt: I don't get it ... isn't this duplicate work ? Aug 16 10:17:03 hipitihop did you restart your device and start the init script from a terminal running on the device? Aug 16 10:17:44 dns53, yes restarted but just ran the '/etc/init.d/gesl start' from ssh session to fr Aug 16 10:18:25 CVirus: It is Aug 16 10:18:45 you need to do that from a terminal on the neo not ssh as it uses the current display to show stuff Aug 16 10:18:53 CVirus: At least the userspace part. Kernel is not. Aug 16 10:19:07 I see Aug 16 10:19:14 dns53, do I need to fully train it before the screen orientation will work ? Aug 16 10:19:50 i trained it first so perhaps though i don't know Aug 16 10:19:50 dns53, ah I see, I'll start it from a local fr terminal then and see Aug 16 10:21:14 lindi-, is it usable as a phone yet? Aug 16 10:22:40 train? o.O Aug 16 10:26:02 bah Aug 16 10:26:44 stefan_schmidt: i can make and receive calls Aug 16 10:28:15 some poeple would be interested by a wardriving programm for the neo? Aug 16 10:28:35 i would be Aug 16 10:28:36 lindi-: which image ? Aug 16 10:28:47 heh Aug 16 10:29:45 CVirus: image? Aug 16 10:29:52 lul Aug 16 10:29:53 ASU ? Aug 16 10:29:53 CVirus: i installed debian Aug 16 10:29:54 FSO ? Aug 16 10:29:56 debian ? Aug 16 10:29:57 ah cool Aug 16 10:30:01 lindi-: suspend/resume ? Aug 16 10:30:26 BBQ? Aug 16 10:30:38 stfu Aug 16 10:30:45 get back to your lab :-p Aug 16 10:30:55 CVirus: at least it can wake up and answer call when in suspend Aug 16 10:30:59 :D Aug 16 10:31:02 debian takes ages to install Aug 16 10:31:10 dns, quit complaining :P Aug 16 10:31:19 That's my job! :D Aug 16 10:31:25 well i still have 15 minutes of package downloading to go Aug 16 10:31:26 lindi-: you got any white screens of death ? Aug 16 10:31:39 CVirus: huh? ;) Aug 16 10:31:59 lindi-: can it suspend/resume on an incoming call reliably all the time ? Aug 16 10:32:01 maybe I'll try a netinstall on my freerunner :P Aug 16 10:32:04 wtf? Aug 16 10:32:14 dns53, starting from fr terminal also does not yet seem to have worked. sorry, dinner calls so back later to continue..damn I'm impatient to get screen orientation to work ;-) Aug 16 10:32:16 fso does locking/unlocking by pressing a single key? Aug 16 10:32:22 Dave the ./ story is basically a net install Aug 16 10:32:31 CVirus: hard to say, i don't make much calls Aug 16 10:32:38 I see Aug 16 10:32:46 CVirus: is there some testsuite? Aug 16 10:32:47 Quick, everyone call lindi! Aug 16 10:32:58 :) Aug 16 10:33:03 hehe Aug 16 10:33:06 hmm, but other than that it seems nice Aug 16 10:33:33 Ronny, pleased? or maybe I should rephrase that, no longer extremely disliking it? :P Aug 16 10:33:38 hipitihop well the trick is to start gesl manually from a terminal window on the freerunner with: /etc/init.d/gesl start Aug 16 10:33:40 balrogkun^^ Aug 16 10:34:07 oh eww, you guys ARE talking about that gestures crap Aug 16 10:34:20 Dave: the extreme dislikes thing is gone, for more, i have to test Aug 16 10:34:28 oO Aug 16 10:34:31 :p Aug 16 10:34:33 it says no dbus Aug 16 10:34:36 -_- Aug 16 10:34:40 haha Aug 16 10:34:42 surprise! Aug 16 10:34:57 so, I just woke up to my FR vibrating, and before I reaced it it stopped. In both the dialer and the messages there are nothing new. Is there some place I can check recent events or something? A log or similar...? Im running 2008.8 btw Aug 16 10:35:10 Dns, you guys are better off trying to get a full-fledged Etch 'R Sketch program going. Aug 16 10:35:25 Speaking of which I wonder what kind of progress Ainulindale has made on mood ;) Aug 16 10:35:33 Dave: hu? Aug 16 10:35:44 Dave: i tought this wholee thing was dbus based Aug 16 10:36:01 So did I :P Aug 16 10:37:13 i want to start writing vala/python apps for the phone as soon as i can use it Aug 16 10:37:14 dmesg & logread Aug 16 10:37:23 \o/ Aug 16 10:37:32 kd8, spackled your wall all nice and shit? :) Aug 16 10:37:50 had to fix a hole i punched in it Aug 16 10:37:58 ROFL Aug 16 10:38:08 Was that before or after you started to spackle it? :p Aug 16 10:38:11 just finished.. sort of my soldering station Aug 16 10:38:50 theres still stuff lying all around i need to defrag everything Aug 16 10:38:58 heehee Aug 16 10:39:02 defragment your room? :) Aug 16 10:39:08 A constant process, no? Aug 16 10:39:18 Maybe you should contemplate changing filesystems :P Aug 16 10:39:23 or roomsystems :D Aug 16 10:39:30 i on my 3rd day cleaning my room Aug 16 10:39:37 Man, that sounds like a Joerg joke to me :) Aug 16 10:39:45 Good old german humor... Aug 16 10:39:48 * Dave rolls his eyes Aug 16 10:40:15 hm... does someone know how to create debug builds? (my linphone build still segfaults) Is ./configure --enable-debug [...normal options...] enough or do I need additional swichtes? Aug 16 10:40:24 i need to find a spool of wire to wire up my speaker system too Aug 16 10:41:00 the telephone wire spool that "fell off the back of a truck" i had ran out eons ago Aug 16 10:41:26 yeah i couldnt get linphone to compile either Aug 16 10:42:08 it compiles :) Aug 16 10:42:09 it runs Aug 16 10:42:18 but exit and preferences segfault :( Aug 16 10:42:34 hm Aug 16 10:43:08 :D linphone segfaulted on my machines the last 4 years or somesuch Aug 16 10:43:10 it uses the libs in /usr/lib/ so you have to put the arm-linux libs there (but don't forget to backup ^^) Aug 16 10:43:19 oO greaaaat Aug 16 10:43:33 :D Aug 16 10:43:33 that'd explain why it does not work Aug 16 10:43:40 never did a useful job, so I used twinkle in the end :D Aug 16 10:43:47 Joerg! Aug 16 10:43:53 hehe Aug 16 10:45:18 DaveRunner: probably for FR linphone is quite suitable, with the hyper-minimalistic UI and reduced function set ;-) Aug 16 10:45:48 where are all the logs located? Aug 16 10:45:49 Sounds awesome :P Aug 16 10:45:57 all your logs are belong to us Aug 16 10:46:04 ~logs Aug 16 10:46:04 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Aug 16 10:46:24 :) Aug 16 10:46:33 sorry, meant on 2008.8... Aug 16 10:46:36 or ~/.twinkle/twinkle.log Aug 16 10:46:44 oh thas good to know Aug 16 10:47:00 oh nice i'll start bypassing the log with a space at the beginning Aug 16 10:47:05 hmmm for some reason it won't switch orientations :\ Aug 16 10:47:22 cause i dont like logs Aug 16 10:47:27 ya, that way we can talk bad about ibot Aug 16 10:47:48 and qtopia :D Aug 16 10:48:13 nothing bad to say about that Aug 16 10:48:33 except maybe your lack of progress :D Aug 16 10:48:36 don't forget *I* got my *own* logs - they contain *all* of your nasty statements ;-) Aug 16 10:48:44 Nah, it's good, you're good. Aug 16 10:48:49 ok, so where are the logs located on 2008.8? Aug 16 10:48:49 Doc >:) Aug 16 10:48:50 my lack of progress Aug 16 10:49:08 funny, coming from someone who's nick is Confidential :P Aug 16 10:49:12 trying to read sms from an updated 2007.2 fails; it just closes. I've also tried the command "sl" in the libgsm-tool shell, but that segfaults; no other way to read my sms? Aug 16 10:49:23 qtopia Aug 16 10:49:52 confidential: buffered in ram? Aug 16 10:51:53 any idea why swap orientation isn't doing anything for me anymore? Aug 16 10:52:51 it is buggy, restart it Aug 16 10:53:05 :( Aug 16 10:54:10 I guess I could try manually calling xrandr Aug 16 10:54:17 Anyone know where the backdrop pixmap is stored? The closest I've come across is /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm but the file isn't the same as the backdrop on the phone Aug 16 10:55:14 wiki wiki wiki Aug 16 10:55:22 I already searched the wiki! Aug 16 10:55:27 I can find nothing! Aug 16 10:55:30 the wiki is a mess Aug 16 10:55:36 :) Aug 16 10:55:42 :D Aug 16 10:56:11 it's in the zhone.edj gui definition file Aug 16 10:56:20 gah Aug 16 10:56:21 wasn't it in the start guide? Aug 16 10:56:24 (guessing you mean fso) Aug 16 10:56:32 oh Aug 16 10:56:47 Tanuva -_- Aug 16 10:57:09 Thanks Tanuva Aug 16 10:57:18 DaveRunner: explain please Aug 16 10:57:36 guess austria's awake Aug 16 10:57:58 where's ecraven then :\ Aug 16 10:58:12 yes we are awake Aug 16 10:58:27 :o Aug 16 10:58:28 incoming sms on 2007.2 is supposed to be stored in the sim, right? Aug 16 10:58:45 more of you there are! Aug 16 10:59:56 heil Aug 16 11:00:53 root root root Aug 16 11:01:08 DaveRunner: that word is forbidden in some countries Aug 16 11:01:21 :D Aug 16 11:02:02 I don't believe it is, it just has a very very very very very negative connotation ;) Aug 16 11:02:06 bumble :) Aug 16 11:02:10 grr, I hate all of these nonstandard enlightenment formats Aug 16 11:02:30 Upgrading linphone on root from 2.1.1-om0 to 2.1.1-om0-dbg... gdb i'm coming! :-D Aug 16 11:02:32 same thing, arcnet :P Aug 16 11:02:44 haha Aug 16 11:02:48 :) Aug 16 11:02:52 woohoo Aug 16 11:03:58 does linphone already work? Aug 16 11:04:06 no Aug 16 11:04:06 Zorkman! Aug 16 11:04:07 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. Aug 16 11:04:07 [Switching to Thread 1086551072 (LWP 1981)] Aug 16 11:04:07 ms_snd_card_get_string_id (obj=0x0) at mssndcard.c:114 Aug 16 11:04:07 114 mssndcard.c: No such file or directory. Aug 16 11:04:07 in mssndcard.c Aug 16 11:04:21 haw haw Aug 16 11:04:22 Arcnet: afaik wiederbetätigung includes saying this word in public Aug 16 11:04:37 :o Aug 16 11:04:43 bumbl: Don't know that one Aug 16 11:04:44 sounds bad :] Aug 16 11:04:52 i guess it's speex Aug 16 11:04:58 not linphone itself Aug 16 11:05:10 TEAMSPEAK!?! Aug 16 11:05:25 * Dave gets out his compiler Aug 16 11:05:28 no, linphone uses speex as codec Aug 16 11:05:38 ^^ Aug 16 11:05:48 i think I understand, well, try that :-) Aug 16 11:05:58 Yeah, except, TS actually works Aug 16 11:06:08 nooo, its mediastreamer2 of linphone... well... ok... Aug 16 11:06:09 unlike linphone which joerg reported to have never worked :P Aug 16 11:06:10 ^^ Aug 16 11:06:14 hehe Aug 16 11:06:25 maybe I can get it to work?^^ Aug 16 11:06:29 damnit Aug 16 11:06:37 I wish the AUX had multicolor LED :\ Aug 16 11:07:00 Instead I'll just have to flash the power led purple or something when I have a message :p Aug 16 11:07:22 Did you write a tool for that? Aug 16 11:07:38 Dave: make that a ticket! Aug 16 11:08:25 Dave: "we want 3color on both buttons!" Aug 16 11:09:01 isn't it multi coloured? i thaught it was Aug 16 11:09:20 dns53, if black is a colour, it is Aug 16 11:09:21 aux: NO. power:2color Aug 16 11:09:22 and a swiss armyknive under power button Aug 16 11:09:56 RFID Scanner for those new passports :-D Aug 16 11:10:03 Monitor mode (!) Aug 16 11:10:19 yes we definatly need that one Aug 16 11:10:23 DocScrutinizer :D Aug 16 11:10:27 Zorkman: probably the sourcing will have difficulty to find one. for 3color-LED that's quite different Aug 16 11:10:28 That'd be nice! Aug 16 11:10:30 the power button is "2 colour" but since when you turn both on, it gives a third colour... it'd kinda 3 colour Aug 16 11:10:36 i want a RFID cracker for stuff in stores XD Aug 16 11:10:49 Zorkman :p Aug 16 11:11:05 Arcnet, you can add one Aug 16 11:11:13 ieatlint, I like it :) Aug 16 11:11:20 cga, what is at a store to crack with rfid? Aug 16 11:11:31 *shrugs* Aug 16 11:11:39 stealing puppies, or pidgeons? Aug 16 11:11:41 DocScrutinizer: have the buttons been tested in regards to wear? is there a MTTF (in function of button presses) Aug 16 11:11:42 ieatlint, ie: CDs in a "music store" Aug 16 11:11:48 pigeons Aug 16 11:11:56 ieatlint: 3color means RGB, not orange/blue Aug 16 11:12:05 Zorkman, haha Aug 16 11:12:12 right Aug 16 11:12:19 It's more interesting to scan the new german passports which uses RFID or such... but well... WiFi Monitor Mode would be great to check the WiFi of a site Aug 16 11:12:22 Doc, you could have a very pretty device then :P Aug 16 11:12:22 cga, those are dumb terminals, there's nothing to hack Aug 16 11:12:25 it could colorshift :P Aug 16 11:12:26 Zorkman: for the switch sure there is. though I don't know Aug 16 11:12:45 it's like hacking a barcode by printing one at home and bringing it to the store Aug 16 11:12:52 haha Aug 16 11:12:55 laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame Aug 16 11:13:13 ieatlint, well so make a device that can "unmagnetize" them Aug 16 11:13:23 just like they do at cashier Aug 16 11:13:36 forgot my english and n00bn3Z Aug 16 11:13:36 simple Aug 16 11:13:38 magnet. Aug 16 11:13:40 they aren't magnetised, and are magnet safe (unless you get like a fucking degausser) Aug 16 11:13:43 or freerunner! Aug 16 11:13:52 Actually, Joerg, you might be interested to know this. Aug 16 11:13:54 oh, you mean the anti-theft device Aug 16 11:14:01 ?? Aug 16 11:14:02 that's not rfid Aug 16 11:14:18 that i mean Aug 16 11:14:24 what is it? Aug 16 11:14:28 I was staying in a hotel last month, and my hotel room key became demagnetized after sitting for a while in my pocket right next to the freerunner! Aug 16 11:14:29 Dave: ??? Aug 16 11:14:34 no way to get Net::RawIP for perl on the Om2007 ? Aug 16 11:14:35 So I suspect it was responsible for this. Aug 16 11:14:49 Do you think it's likely? :P Aug 16 11:14:57 that's just a piece of metal that's magnetised a certain way and they degauss it at the register or something, i dunno Aug 16 11:15:03 it's not really electronic Aug 16 11:15:05 Dave: nope Aug 16 11:15:11 i see Aug 16 11:15:26 rightright Aug 16 11:15:46 well, pretty much anything can demagnetize a creditcard Aug 16 11:15:51 so I don't see it being unlikely Aug 16 11:15:51 except for magnet in earpiece, possibly Aug 16 11:16:04 and apparently the gsm modem in my freerunner can explode nearby electronic devices... Aug 16 11:16:14 lol Aug 16 11:16:21 so it's open season on freerunner blame :D Aug 16 11:16:38 Dave: that's because of the crappy TI-firmware ;-D Aug 16 11:16:42 my freerunner ate my mouse! Aug 16 11:16:45 OH, is it? Aug 16 11:16:58 *burps* Aug 16 11:17:01 man, that's disappointing, TI has done some really great stuff in the past Aug 16 11:17:02 haha Aug 16 11:17:02 :D Aug 16 11:17:11 TI? Aug 16 11:17:22 getting interference from the modem dave? Aug 16 11:17:28 speakers getting pissed.. Aug 16 11:17:42 Texas Instruments? Aug 16 11:17:44 TI==Texas Instruments? Aug 16 11:17:46 k Aug 16 11:17:47 thanks Aug 16 11:17:50 oh Aug 16 11:17:50 YES Aug 16 11:17:56 ieatlint, no Aug 16 11:18:02 It's fucked up a monitor's crt Aug 16 11:18:09 lol Aug 16 11:18:14 that's impressive Aug 16 11:18:22 It's all like snap crackle pop GREEN WAVEY LINES! Aug 16 11:18:26 I'm like OH SNAPS Aug 16 11:18:38 Dave: did you file a bug report? Aug 16 11:18:41 everyone else is using lcds Aug 16 11:18:43 and the whole time my freerunner was just unsuspectingly sitting next to it charging Aug 16 11:18:47 ieatlint :P Aug 16 11:18:51 i'm also using CRT's Aug 16 11:18:57 ieatlint, so THAT's the bug :P Aug 16 11:18:59 hahaha Aug 16 11:19:08 zorkman, you're also using windows Aug 16 11:19:09 no, put that down as the fix Aug 16 11:19:09 but no sim card in the FR Aug 16 11:19:12 maybe you should file two bug reports :P Aug 16 11:19:15 ieatlint :P Aug 16 11:19:17 haha Aug 16 11:19:30 Zorkman, blah. Aug 16 11:19:39 * cga thinks Dave is a flooder and should get kicked XD Aug 16 11:19:52 Cga, I'm not the one flooding about my broken script though :P Aug 16 11:19:56 lol Aug 16 11:20:01 * spdr_ demands net::rawip for his om. Aug 16 11:20:04 touche Aug 16 11:20:08 :) Aug 16 11:20:13 =) Aug 16 11:20:39 Joerg is like, oh, gsm interference is common with electronic devices... Aug 16 11:20:49 dns53,, I have run /etc/init.d/gesd-neo2 restart and it responds to gesture training in the gestures app. I trained all gestured. I the ran '/etc/init.d/gesl start' in neo's terminal..but still can't get screen orientation to flip automagically grrr Aug 16 11:20:53 meanwhile my monitor is crash landing... ABORT ABORT... OMG EJECT!!11 Aug 16 11:21:07 * Dave -_- Aug 16 11:21:41 what feeds should i use for fso ? Aug 16 11:21:49 hipitihop well it works in the 2008.8 so maybe it only works there Aug 16 11:21:59 the ones that came with milestone2 dont add any packages and seem to fail Aug 16 11:22:32 Ronny, still struggling with that? Aug 16 11:23:35 kinda, i had to do other stuff just came back and tested Aug 16 11:24:41 dns53, hmm, I though though the buildserver images like 080814 are only lsight variations of 2008.8 Aug 16 11:24:54 lsight = slight Aug 16 11:25:34 hi.. has someone tried the official Debian port with FSO? USB networking doesn't seem to be enabled.. Aug 16 11:25:35 the qtopia-x11 are 2008.8 i think Aug 16 11:25:37 any ideas anyone? Aug 16 11:26:00 sparkymat i'm in the process of building it now Aug 16 11:26:22 wtf? Aug 16 11:26:24 yes, that's what I have I think http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 16 11:26:34 dns53 building from source? or installing it? Aug 16 11:26:35 2008.8 is ASU? Aug 16 11:26:55 sparkymat installing it, apt is working hard currently Aug 16 11:27:02 what hipitihop has is not ASU... ASU is 2008.8 Aug 16 11:27:10 dns53 ahh.. ok.. :-) takes a little while.. Aug 16 11:27:27 SSU ... September Software Update? Soviet Software Update? Aug 16 11:27:31 Arcnet, now I'm confused, what do I have then Aug 16 11:27:49 not sure if this is what you are discussing abt, but ASU is 2008.8, but the daily builds are not built from the testing branch.. and hence look different from the 2008.8 release Aug 16 11:28:26 sparkymat: look at /etc/network/interfaces Aug 16 11:28:37 sparkymat: and don't /part after asking a question please :) Aug 16 11:28:42 :P Aug 16 11:28:53 lindi- wont :) Aug 16 11:29:44 hipitihop: You have the current daily build Aug 16 11:29:45 lindi- found this only now (the irc channel) Aug 16 11:30:24 * Dave has started making his own daily builds :) Aug 16 11:30:51 lindi- ahh.. the usb connection is there :-) .. wonder why it didnt work earlier.. Aug 16 11:31:09 Arcnet, yip but my impression was this was a direct descendent of 2008.8 i.e. it is a qtopia,x11,etk combo Aug 16 11:31:42 sparkymat: not sure if this is what you are discussing abt, but ASU is 2008.8, but the daily builds are not built from the testing branch.. and hence look different from the 2008.8 release <- I guess he is right Aug 16 11:32:23 Arcnet: i had asked this on the support mailing list.. and that's how i found out Aug 16 11:32:31 eitherway, anyone know if there is something addtional I need to do to get screen orientation to work on my daily build ? Aug 16 11:32:47 Arcnet: apparently it was supposed to be built from the testing branch.. Aug 16 11:34:10 ASU, GTK, BBQ, FSO, WTF, GTK, OMG, SHR Aug 16 11:34:44 LOL (?) Aug 16 11:34:45 Man, I should write my own article about that. :P Aug 16 11:34:52 kgoetz: No, NoLol4U! Aug 16 11:35:02 Dave, BBQ finished about 30 min ago, but was yum ;-) Aug 16 11:35:03 :'( Aug 16 11:35:14 hehe Aug 16 11:35:16 :DDD Aug 16 11:35:21 Kgoetz >:) Aug 16 11:35:45 Dave: "D Aug 16 11:36:34 * hipitihop hankering to find an impressive app to show off on phone, was hoping gestures would work :-( Aug 16 11:36:35 that happens if you ship a device with a desktop linux Aug 16 11:36:37 :D Aug 16 11:39:50 moin DieMumiee Aug 16 11:39:52 sup? Aug 16 11:40:43 so what app that runs on a daily build would anyone recommend to show off Aug 16 11:40:57 heh Aug 16 11:41:13 I don't think the openmoko platform is quite at the showoff stage yet Aug 16 11:42:58 TankC, while I'm realistic about the readiness or the lack there of of the platform for prime time, is there truly not one app we can show that is just neat ? Aug 16 11:43:36 tangogps is Aug 16 11:44:08 hipitihop: orrery? Aug 16 11:44:29 i agree.. tangogps is what i use to show it off :-) ..its a nice app Aug 16 11:44:30 hipitihop: numptyphisics Aug 16 11:44:39 Tanuva, will that run on the daily build and will it run with the SD card in ? I thought we still have issue with SD and GPS Aug 16 11:44:52 SD and GPS fine on my FR Aug 16 11:45:28 hipitihop: It's only on initial lock.. if it's even still an issue at all with 2008.8 Aug 16 11:45:39 hipitihop: sd+gps is quite fine, but showing gps in a building is ... difficult :) Aug 16 11:46:24 ok, I'll have a look at TangoGPS, I think I tried under 2008.8 and it was unusable doe to some scrolling problem. Aug 16 11:46:37 maybe it's better on the daily build now Aug 16 11:47:14 who are you showing it off to? Aug 16 11:47:15 Zorkman :P Aug 16 11:47:30 zorkman, >:| Aug 16 11:47:37 we need 2 player games for the freerunner! Aug 16 11:47:44 competitive OR cooperative! Aug 16 11:47:47 hell yes! Aug 16 11:47:50 more like net games Aug 16 11:47:58 using the neo as lightsaber (accelerometers!) Aug 16 11:48:10 kd8ikt YES Aug 16 11:48:13 :)) Aug 16 11:48:17 or real life uber geekiness rpg games Aug 16 11:48:18 Tanuva, NO Aug 16 11:48:25 That's reserved for iphone douches Aug 16 11:48:26 Dave, now we're talkin ! Aug 16 11:48:29 :D Aug 16 11:48:31 Dave: ah, sure :D Aug 16 11:48:34 hell yeah Aug 16 11:48:38 hmm, let's see Aug 16 11:48:44 D&D, anybody? Aug 16 11:48:44 someone code up a labryth game Aug 16 11:48:49 kd8ikt: they don't have to be netgames, could also be with using bt Aug 16 11:48:51 kd8ikt, working on it Aug 16 11:48:59 we need a nethack port please Aug 16 11:49:00 * Zorkman would like D&D Aug 16 11:49:04 :D Aug 16 11:49:09 Dave: d&d would be nice, I'll build a dice-simulator xD Aug 16 11:49:10 dns53, it's there, go play. Aug 16 11:49:12 apt-get install nethack? Aug 16 11:49:16 tanuva :p Aug 16 11:49:17 the mana world Aug 16 11:49:19 it is? Aug 16 11:49:23 it is? Aug 16 11:49:36 Zorkman, please don't get distracted :) Aug 16 11:50:23 dave; seriously is nethack available on FR? Aug 16 11:50:32 Yes, praise be to the Dave :] Aug 16 11:50:47 just an opkg away or more stuff to do? Aug 16 11:50:51 Zorkman: been there, done that Aug 16 11:51:00 just ask speedevil Aug 16 11:51:07 uggh Aug 16 11:51:24 foorget I said that -_- Aug 16 11:51:27 never played nethack but would like to do it on the FR for the first time :) Aug 16 11:51:42 it's unenjoyable Aug 16 11:51:59 like this is now Aug 16 11:52:09 :P Aug 16 11:52:50 I'd rather play a mud than nethack personally Aug 16 11:53:00 bzflag Aug 16 11:53:17 what about ultima online? *looking for cover* Aug 16 11:53:21 hell yeah Aug 16 11:53:25 * Dave high-fives TankC Aug 16 11:53:33 Tanuva, with the Glamo? Aug 16 11:53:34 hahaha Aug 16 11:53:40 Dave: hm. damn. Aug 16 11:53:53 mud? Aug 16 11:53:57 in the end it's just a phone :D Aug 16 11:54:07 heh Aug 16 11:54:53 I've invested so much time in Cyber Assault (one of the best muds ever) Aug 16 11:56:01 nice Aug 16 11:58:30 so then what are we all doing sitting around here? Aug 16 11:58:54 fiddling with neodebian :) Aug 16 11:59:36 haha Aug 16 11:59:54 Man, typing on that tiny keyboard is really killing my wrists Aug 16 12:00:04 is there no way to send arp packets on the Om ?? Aug 16 12:00:07 Raster, SAVE ME Aug 16 12:00:43 Dave: hah, thats it. I need irssi on the neo! Aug 16 12:00:45 Dave: your wrists ? Aug 16 12:00:55 Hahaha Aug 16 12:00:57 DaveRunner: compiling kde-svn on my laptop and playing around with the freerunner while reading a book Aug 16 12:01:03 terrible idea! Aug 16 12:03:02 hmm.. loaded TangoGPS and it says "no GPS found" Aug 16 12:03:26 start the gpsd service ..? Aug 16 12:04:04 dbmoodb: irc'ing from the freerunner? Aug 16 12:04:07 ronny: ordered a frogpad yesterday Aug 16 12:04:09 with the matchbox keyboard? Aug 16 12:04:13 in the us and a.. Aug 16 12:04:15 That's what I was just doing :P Aug 16 12:04:23 there is no distributor in germany :( Aug 16 12:04:26 It's the Daverunner, baby! Aug 16 12:04:40 DieMumiee: I find that difficult to believe, though disappointing. Aug 16 12:04:47 So many Germans here ~_~ Aug 16 12:04:53 Die Deutschen! Aug 16 12:04:56 amazon had it once.. Aug 16 12:04:58 how do i get ssh to ignore a when the host key changes? Aug 16 12:04:59 heh Aug 16 12:05:07 dns, it's on the wiki Aug 16 12:05:14 who me ? Aug 16 12:05:36 dns53: don't that's a security feature Aug 16 12:05:43 hah Aug 16 12:05:46 dbmoodb, started GPS from Exposure but no joy, must I do something from terminal ? Aug 16 12:05:47 it's an annoyance feature Aug 16 12:05:54 hipitihop: i have no idea Aug 16 12:05:55 Dave: without it ssh is easy to hijack Aug 16 12:06:02 Dave: its for security tho... and you know it Aug 16 12:06:06 and just who's going to hijack it Aug 16 12:06:08 your girlfriend? :P Aug 16 12:06:09 lets all use rdesktop then Aug 16 12:06:16 Dave: switch to telnet :) Aug 16 12:06:17 or telnet Aug 16 12:06:21 :D Aug 16 12:06:28 Dave: consumes less energy Aug 16 12:06:39 lindi, I'm not saying remove it, at least add or establish keys then Aug 16 12:06:45 so you don't need to sit here bitching about it :) Aug 16 12:06:48 Dave: i think when i get a girlfriend soon (hopes) she wouldn't care like i don't care Aug 16 12:07:00 Dave: "it should just work" Aug 16 12:07:03 dbmoodb: she'd probably make you get rid of your freerunner! Aug 16 12:07:04 hahaha Aug 16 12:07:07 what then? :P Aug 16 12:07:21 you can turn it off for the specific IP address you use on your secure lan for the neo. then there is no security issue. Aug 16 12:07:32 i have debian installed, is it suppose to have X? Aug 16 12:08:16 Dave: its not being used as my phone atm. dns53 well where did you do it from / install it / method ? -- the script ? Aug 16 12:08:18 right Aug 16 12:08:29 dns :D Aug 16 12:08:39 rwhitby, indeedy weedy! Aug 16 12:08:39 dns53: from the wiki pages, i gather one needs to install x manually Aug 16 12:08:42 dns53: did you install xorg / xserver-xorg ? Aug 16 12:08:55 * Dave wants to install flux on his freerunner Aug 16 12:08:58 fluxrunner! Aug 16 12:09:11 are there sdio gsm or gprs cards available? Aug 16 12:09:20 gprs cards? o_O Aug 16 12:09:24 DieMumiee: frogpad ? Aug 16 12:09:40 i havn't installed anything yet, i think it installed x during install but i don't know yet Aug 16 12:09:42 ronny: some nearly ubiquious keyboard Aug 16 12:09:51 GPRS - I think not. Aug 16 12:09:52 they'd need to be quite thick because of the SIM reader... Aug 16 12:10:04 wifi, yes Aug 16 12:10:16 AR6k, for example ;) Aug 16 12:10:28 There is no especial reason why you couldn't do GPRS - SDIO-serial Aug 16 12:10:30 DieMumiee: looks weird Aug 16 12:10:32 Speedevil! Aug 16 12:10:35 GPS is basically just SDIO-serial Aug 16 12:11:07 So all a GPRS modem would be would be a bit larger. Aug 16 12:11:41 just because of the openpandora Aug 16 12:12:02 thouht might be a good platform for a phone Aug 16 12:13:22 damn Aug 16 12:13:27 My phone needs more zork! Aug 16 12:13:38 Oh, and also speedevil, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Aug 16 12:13:59 Someone should port DOOM already or hmm, I wonder if Dosbox can run it on the phone without taking a dump Aug 16 12:14:23 I really really doubt that Aug 16 12:14:36 What, the part about Dosbox? Aug 16 12:14:39 ah what's the best way to make a backup copy of my debian lenny installation on the phone -- i have the sdcard in a usb reader -- do i just tar or ?... Aug 16 12:14:51 yes, that Aug 16 12:14:57 Yeah Aug 16 12:15:24 mjr, know of a better way to run it on the phone? ;) Aug 16 12:15:25 dbmoodb: rsync --delete --numeric-ids -axv / 10.168.0.200:/home/lindi/openmoko/2008-08-16 Aug 16 12:15:50 lindi-: eh ?... rsync Aug 16 12:16:02 i have it plugged in on a usb why do i need to use rsync ? Aug 16 12:16:11 dbmoodb: yes, i don't want to transfer 512M every day Aug 16 12:16:12 :) Aug 16 12:16:54 lindi-: you have a point but that will compress and back it up ? Aug 16 12:17:10 cp -lr $BACKUPDIR/`date +%blarg yesterday` $BACKUPDIR/`date +blarg today` Aug 16 12:17:12 * dbmoodb doesn't remember the rsync options --- like it will preserve everything including links right ? Aug 16 12:17:13 then rsync Aug 16 12:17:27 i think Aug 16 12:17:29 dbmoodb: compress? Aug 16 12:17:31 with some options Aug 16 12:17:39 zash: exactly Aug 16 12:17:46 lindi-: ok so just rsync it ... -av should be fine no ? Aug 16 12:17:50 dbmoodb: you want -x Aug 16 12:17:56 -x for ? Aug 16 12:17:57 dbmoodb: when you run it from phone Aug 16 12:18:07 ah ? Aug 16 12:18:09 dbmoodb: so that it doens't backup your /proc or /sys or who knows what Aug 16 12:18:48 ok so your options should be fine ? Aug 16 12:18:58 -x exludes /proc and devices ah ? Aug 16 12:19:11 -x is stay in one filesystem Aug 16 12:19:31 maybe i'll write these down Aug 16 12:20:00 zash: do you know if there some frontend for handling daily backups like that? Aug 16 12:20:05 if you do recursive hardlinking of previous backup, you need some --delete-before -option or something Aug 16 12:20:08 zash: i have always written my own script to do "cp -al" and then rsync Aug 16 12:20:10 SpeedEvil: so... how does that not grab /dev -- those are devices .. being represented by files or ? Aug 16 12:20:21 they are not files Aug 16 12:20:28 device-files Aug 16 12:20:28 they are special files Aug 16 12:20:29 zash: but i'd like to recommend something that is packaged already instead of offering my own script Aug 16 12:20:32 everything is a file! Aug 16 12:20:43 ls -l /dev/zero Aug 16 12:20:47 zash: yeah that's what i thought rofl Aug 16 12:20:56 Qtopia - Fail Aug 16 12:21:17 Hmm Aug 16 12:21:20 Dave: qtopia is fine .... nothing wrong with it Aug 16 12:21:37 How do I press numbers during a call to activate touchtone features? Aug 16 12:21:38 so just rsync with those options -- will do Aug 16 12:21:59 TankC: I don't think this works yet Aug 16 12:22:01 is unison ported? Aug 16 12:22:19 zash: we have rsync... Aug 16 12:22:21 I guess I just expected more in this recent update Aug 16 12:22:21 :| Aug 16 12:22:25 Which there was nothing Aug 16 12:22:29 hi Aug 16 12:22:38 dbmoodb: rsync is one-way, unison is two-way Aug 16 12:22:57 got someone suspend working on the debian-rls? Aug 16 12:23:04 dbmoodb: eg, if you delete something two-way rsync will restore it, unison will delete it Aug 16 12:23:40 dbmoodb: for keeping some files in sync on two+ machines unison is better Aug 16 12:23:55 zash: rsync then rsync back Aug 16 12:24:03 dbmoodb: i did that Aug 16 12:24:09 ... rsync --delete ? Aug 16 12:24:17 dbmoodb: that would delete new files Aug 16 12:24:50 btw what does the --numeric-ids do exactly ? Aug 16 12:24:54 Rorschach: i am reporting bugs, debugging fbdev and testing instructions Aug 16 12:25:04 dbmoodb: for user-id and group-id i guess Aug 16 12:25:18 oh i see Aug 16 12:25:58 wait don't i want it to be by user name and not by gid / uid in case that changes ? Aug 16 12:26:02 brb Aug 16 12:26:46 lindi-: how do you suspend at all? the suspend command does nothing for me Aug 16 12:28:50 Rorschach: suspend command? Aug 16 12:28:53 Rorschach: isn't there this s2disk/s2ram thingy? Aug 16 12:28:55 Rorschach: "apm -s" works here Aug 16 12:29:08 * Tanuva just tries that, too Aug 16 12:29:33 lindi-: on debian or ? .... is this qtopia -- if debian then how does one get the battery info... Aug 16 12:29:48 ok, now im officialy position-tracked Aug 16 12:30:01 on 2007.2, some packages can't succeed being upgraded (with opkg upgrade): download fails. It seems to be because the update doesn't work. Signatures check fails. Aug 16 12:30:04 dbmoodb: on debian Aug 16 12:30:14 dbmoodb: zhone shows battery status Aug 16 12:30:17 how can I fix it ? Aug 16 12:30:37 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz Aug 16 12:30:37 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig Aug 16 12:30:37 Signature check failed Aug 16 12:30:42 s2ram doesn't exists, tried suspend which normally works on ubuntu Aug 16 12:30:46 that's not an error Deubeuliou Aug 16 12:30:50 (not a relevant one) Aug 16 12:30:57 lindi-: the perms got screwed up using your options ... my user X has files now owned by blah (my current user name) Aug 16 12:31:13 dbmoodb: that is ok Aug 16 12:31:23 ok, but I can't install tangogps, for instance, although it is on the "opkg list" list Aug 16 12:31:25 dbmoodb: or hmm? Aug 16 12:31:33 dbmoodb: do the user ids match? Aug 16 12:31:34 lindi-: which package do I need for the apm binary? Aug 16 12:31:42 ah yeah they should first user -- first user Aug 16 12:31:50 Tanuva: packages.debian.org? Aug 16 12:31:52 Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 <-- I got that Aug 16 12:31:53 Deubeuliou: sure it really fails? could you paste the output somewhere? Aug 16 12:31:56 Tanuva: second form, enter bin/apm Aug 16 12:32:01 lindi-: argh, sure >.< Aug 16 12:32:02 ok, wait a minute Aug 16 12:32:05 lindi-: i think i'm better of with user names / group names than numbers tho Aug 16 12:32:18 dbmoodb: you don't want to do that when backuping Aug 16 12:32:26 lindi-: where does one cat .. to get the exact battery amount tho ? Aug 16 12:32:48 dbmoodb: "messagebus" user can have uid 102 on one system and uid 103 on other system Aug 16 12:32:56 dbmoodb: your /etc/passwd has that mapping Aug 16 12:33:01 * TankC is done tinkering for the night Aug 16 12:33:09 dbmoodb: if you backup so that you change 102 to 103 you will not be able to restore Aug 16 12:33:39 ok Aug 16 12:33:51 Tanuva, http://pastebin.com/m4b13f828 Aug 16 12:34:12 dbmoodb: 1) apt-get source zhone Aug 16 12:34:13 the tangogps file is actually on the web Aug 16 12:34:18 dbmoodb: 2) grep -ri battery zhone* Aug 16 12:34:26 <----- idiot Aug 16 12:34:26 rofl -- a bit extreme ? Aug 16 12:34:33 dbmoodb: 3) find batcharge = dbus_object.device_power_iface.GetEnergyPercentage() Aug 16 12:34:38 forgot to reset the dns ... Aug 16 12:34:42 Deubeuliou: *g* :) Aug 16 12:35:58 does any distro have the capability to stream data over gprs? Aug 16 12:36:15 and have it appear as an ethernet device or something? Aug 16 12:36:35 TankC: what do you mean? Aug 16 12:36:40 fso / debian with fso packages has gprs capability at the backend, activatable by a simple script Aug 16 12:36:48 and it's a ppp device Aug 16 12:37:09 that's nice Aug 16 12:37:20 lindi-: to have internet access through gprs Aug 16 12:37:23 TankC: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Aug 16 12:37:31 TankC: tcp / ip ? Aug 16 12:37:38 Heinervdm: it's ppp Aug 16 12:37:41 dbm: Aug 16 12:37:48 MORE MUDS! Aug 16 12:37:52 More phones! Aug 16 12:37:54 More games! Aug 16 12:37:55 More fun! Aug 16 12:38:01 ^_^ Aug 16 12:38:33 lindi-:have you done any battery tests with debian as of yet tho ? Aug 16 12:38:41 lindi-: apm -s seems to work without any problem for me, what bugs are you reporting about it? Aug 16 12:39:22 hmm Aug 16 12:39:24 that's very cool, thank you guys Aug 16 12:40:52 oh and is there a method of unlocking the sim via the terminal.. to avoid my fso debian pin entry problem ? Aug 16 12:41:22 yes Aug 16 12:41:30 well, there is a way to manually trigger the dialog, if that's what you'd like Aug 16 12:41:52 dbmoodb: what is your problem? Aug 16 12:42:05 ah you don't have a pin on your sim card ? Aug 16 12:42:34 Who? What? Aug 16 12:42:45 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 Aug 16 12:42:48 Rorschach: my debian just crashed on resume - xorg got back on, but neither touch-input nor ssh works... Aug 16 12:42:58 :D Aug 16 12:43:02 crashz0rz Aug 16 12:43:10 Tanuva: not for me my debian doesn't crash Aug 16 12:43:14 hm Aug 16 12:43:20 I'll try again :D Aug 16 12:43:21 dbmoodb: just apply the patch there, works for me Aug 16 12:43:23 :P Aug 16 12:43:31 oh apply the patch.. missed it ... Aug 16 12:43:44 Tanuva: how long did you suspend until the problem occured? Aug 16 12:44:20 dbmoodb: yes Aug 16 12:44:22 Rorschach: won't suspending kill the sdcard paritions on debiian .... -- that's what was occuring for me on 2007.2 Aug 16 12:44:35 dbmoodb: 1) cli-framework Aug 16 12:44:40 Rorschach: a few minutes I think Aug 16 12:44:42 dbmoodb: 2) sim.SendAuthCode("..") Aug 16 12:44:53 dbmoodb: 3) sim.Register() Aug 16 12:44:54 bah Aug 16 12:45:02 dbmoodb: 4) gsm.GetAuthStatus() Aug 16 12:45:16 Tanuva: I just a few seconds I'll try to suspend longer and see if problem will occur Aug 16 12:45:50 dbmoodb: it doesn't, my debian still boots Aug 16 12:46:08 how can I use the aux and power-button for applications? like pressing the power-button shall execute apm -s Aug 16 12:46:17 Eh? Aug 16 12:46:33 Tanuva: what sdcard do you have -- i'm using an 8gb scandisk one... Aug 16 12:46:41 I thought 4.3.3 was the latest qtopia version... Aug 16 12:46:50 dbmoodb: you can get battery status with: Aug 16 12:46:58 Dave: me too, why ? is 4.4 finally out? Aug 16 12:46:59 dbmoodb: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage Aug 16 12:47:04 No Aug 16 12:47:08 But why do I only see 4.3.2? Aug 16 12:47:19 ohh dunno Aug 16 12:47:28 dbmoodb: 4gig sandisk **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 12:47:49 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 16 12:48:14 2008 Aug 16 12:50:19 eh? Aug 16 12:50:35 Rorschach, do you have the latest version? Aug 16 12:50:46 of what? Aug 16 12:50:57 QTOPIA Aug 16 12:51:10 latest I have is: qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 Aug 16 12:51:40 oh, yeah, nevermind -_- Aug 16 12:51:45 so I guess that's the latest and no 4.3.3 is out Aug 16 12:52:07 but the trolltech developer said on the ML that 4.4 will be released soon Aug 16 12:52:51 you got a link for 4.3.3? Aug 16 12:53:09 I wish Aug 16 12:54:06 Tanuva: also after 7min suspend the wakeup works for me Aug 16 12:56:01 Rorschach: hmm. I had a strange boot issue here, I'm going to try suspend again now Aug 16 12:56:37 bah Aug 16 12:56:40 Lpotter, come forth! Aug 16 12:57:23 uggh, stupid splash-write Aug 16 12:58:17 I need a bigger microsd card.. 500MB are too small for debian Aug 16 12:58:29 yep Aug 16 12:58:35 unless you cut it down Aug 16 12:58:36 Rorschach: there were some i/o errors on mmcblk0 before, suspend/resume worked, but it doesn't let me in without root-password anymore (no pw set). Aug 16 12:58:48 I'll reboot completely and try again Aug 16 12:58:52 2G seems to be 7.90EUR Aug 16 12:58:53 How does Qtopia compare to FSO as far as stability is concerned? Aug 16 12:58:55 Tanuva: not for me Aug 16 12:59:16 TankC: in qtopia no suspend/resume is working because of WSOD Aug 16 12:59:38 So shorter battery life? Aug 16 12:59:54 yes unusable battery life Aug 16 13:00:06 hm. holding the power button: INIT: cannot execute /sbin/shutdown Aug 16 13:00:06 I left my freerunner turned off untouch for about two weeks and now I'm not able to turn it on any more. Does anyone have a similar problem? Aug 16 13:00:07 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdd440a212e35 10/odeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/ (accelerometer-helpers.c accelerometer.vala): Accelerometer: fix types and ignore EV_SYN correctly Aug 16 13:00:07 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcd8ff3fc8f08 10/odeviced/ (13 files in 5 dirs): 1.) Refactor wifi plugin into a generic Powercontrol plugin TODO: add Bluetooth,GSM,GPS Aug 16 13:00:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7b87e22f9589 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/ (powercontrol.plugin powercontrol.vala): Add GSM, GPS and Bluetooth Powercontrol Aug 16 13:00:09 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2e6564f3644d 10/opimd/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 Aug 16 13:00:54 * Rorschach is compiling fluxbox on his freerunner Aug 16 13:01:20 Hahaha Aug 16 13:01:26 too heavy weight Aug 16 13:01:27 how can I see which hardware revision my fr is? The wiki page about it lied to me Aug 16 13:02:16 fluxbox == too heavy weight?? I don't think so! the question is if it's usable at all with his content-menu Aug 16 13:02:25 s/content/context/ Aug 16 13:02:25 Rorschach meant: fluxbox == too heavy weight?? I don't think so! the question is if it's usable at all with his context-menu Aug 16 13:02:27 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/finding_hardware_revision) Aug 16 13:02:47 what!? Aug 16 13:02:56 fuck yeah, fluxbox! Aug 16 13:03:11 its overated try blackbox Aug 16 13:03:14 Rohrsohcsochs, oh yeah Aug 16 13:03:19 overrated? Aug 16 13:03:19 ~blackbox Aug 16 13:03:20 extra, extra, read all about it, blackbox is a very simple and light window manager: http://blackbox.alug.org Aug 16 13:03:21 pssht Aug 16 13:04:04 hehe apt is a funny but :) Aug 16 13:04:42 that website doesn't exist.... Aug 16 13:04:44 bah, the qtopia site sucks Aug 16 13:04:49 but fuck after installing build-essential and downloading the fluxbox-source I have just 40 MB left, so not enough space for Xorg :( I need a better microsd right now Aug 16 13:05:06 Roscsohsohcsohcs, go for it! Aug 16 13:05:52 Dave: no car at the moment, so no chance to drive in the city and buy one, have to wait till monday Aug 16 13:06:03 bah Aug 16 13:06:22 Rorschach: do u.. i've tried it and dumped it for icewm Aug 16 13:06:26 hey check this out http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=opqrd1&s=4 <--sonar openmoko Aug 16 13:06:48 woo? Aug 16 13:07:06 swc|666: I'm using fluxbox for many years now on my desktop-system so I'll try how it feels on the neo Aug 16 13:07:26 roger that Aug 16 13:07:39 RD-BOMBS!? Aug 16 13:07:46 Rorschach: excellent. Aug 16 13:09:09 Rorschach: if you just want to test you can run fluxbox on your computer but have it manage windows on your neo Aug 16 13:09:11 Rorschach: suspend/resume works, I can also type in xterm, but bash can't find any binaries anymore: "uname -> command not found". the ssh-root-pw-issue is there also Aug 16 13:09:51 Rorschach: are you building fluxbox on debian? Aug 16 13:09:57 yeah, lindi is kinky like that Aug 16 13:10:00 ;p Aug 16 13:10:11 ieatlint: tentacool :P Aug 16 13:10:39 lindi-: yes I'm trying to build it directly on my neo debian Aug 16 13:10:45 \o/ Aug 16 13:10:54 Rorschach: why? Aug 16 13:11:06 well, why not? Aug 16 13:11:10 EXACTLY Aug 16 13:11:15 that will take awhile Aug 16 13:11:30 it's a linux, so it should be able to compile the software it runs Aug 16 13:11:41 Rorschach: sure Aug 16 13:11:57 Rorschach: i hope you use apt-get --build source fluxbox :) Aug 16 13:12:00 kd8ikt: doesn't matter I have time :) and I don't like this whole toolchain-cross-compiling thing Aug 16 13:12:17 Rorschach: with qemubuilder you don't need cross compilers Aug 16 13:12:24 lindi-: no I have bad experience with the debian-patches to fluxbox so I'm compiling it by hand Aug 16 13:12:24 lindi-: that fix where does one apply it -- for the pin entry Aug 16 13:12:30 Rorschach: (that too is just apt-get install qemubuilder away :P) Aug 16 13:12:40 cmatrix Aug 16 13:12:47 Rorschach: apt-get source fluxbox; remove patches; apt-get --build source fluxbox? ;)) Aug 16 13:12:50 someone go compile that for openmoko Aug 16 13:12:59 dbmoodb: what do you mean where? Aug 16 13:13:17 dbmoodb: look at the patch it's written there Aug 16 13:13:17 it has the old channel.py.old ... do i add the file ? /var/lib/py... channel contents or ? Aug 16 13:13:22 kd8ikt: debian already has it Aug 16 13:13:30 * kd8ikt is using it too on debian Aug 16 13:13:32 dbmoodb: which bug report is this? Aug 16 13:13:35 lindi Aug 16 13:13:39 Rorschach: i'm trying to follow http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 Aug 16 13:13:45 qemu-cross-compiler-thing? Aug 16 13:13:46 man Aug 16 13:13:53 weird Aug 16 13:13:58 help me use the source! Aug 16 13:13:58 my channel file is empty... Aug 16 13:14:01 Dave: it's not cross compiling Aug 16 13:14:05 dbmoodb: edit: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py Aug 16 13:14:13 Dave: it's native normal gcc but under qemu :) Aug 16 13:14:14 Rorschach: its empty Aug 16 13:14:32 heh Aug 16 13:14:38 dbmoodb: it surely isn't :) you just typed the wrong path or somthing like that Aug 16 13:14:38 Dave: ah that one Aug 16 13:14:41 so it's effectively the same as compiling on the freerunner then Aug 16 13:14:43 dbmoodb: ah that one :) Aug 16 13:15:05 dbmoodb: bugs.debian.org has that too Aug 16 13:15:35 Dave: except that it checks build-dependencies Aug 16 13:15:58 Dave: since it always starts from scratch, you can't have any odd dependencies to your home directory or something Aug 16 13:16:25 Dave: => you get higher quality packages(tm) Aug 16 13:17:12 lindi-: empty there is another file.. channel.pyc Aug 16 13:17:20 dbmoodb: don't worry about that Aug 16 13:17:46 the phone is off if that changes anything... Aug 16 13:18:17 lindi, cool - though how long does it take to build something? :| Aug 16 13:18:30 dbmoodb: ??? Aug 16 13:18:38 usb sdcard reader... Aug 16 13:18:48 ohh k Aug 16 13:18:52 dbmoodb: 7 minutes or so for tslib i think Aug 16 13:18:54 I already thought.... ;) Aug 16 13:18:57 grr, i meant Dave Aug 16 13:18:58 just made a back up -- it has killed the sdcard to many times for that Aug 16 13:19:41 oh, not bad Aug 16 13:19:59 lindi, but I spent the time to build the entire mokomakefile and keep it updated, can't I just build against that? Aug 16 13:20:08 or does it not do the same thing? Aug 16 13:20:28 Dave: build against mokomakefile? Aug 16 13:20:40 Dave: debian does not use mokomakefile in any form Aug 16 13:21:13 hm. the xserver doesn't come up anymore... Aug 16 13:21:14 does somebody know how I can get tangoGPS ( it uses gpsd) running on the new OM2008.8 release ?? Aug 16 13:21:27 (on debian) Aug 16 13:21:45 Tanuva: ps axuf? Aug 16 13:22:17 debian? o_O Aug 16 13:22:18 Tanuva: after suspend? Aug 16 13:22:21 What? Aug 16 13:22:36 p0seid0n: tangogps is installed by default Aug 16 13:22:38 Dave: yes Aug 16 13:22:45 lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/49W71354.html Aug 16 13:22:49 Were you specifically talking about building debian-arm packages? Aug 16 13:22:50 Rorschach: no, normal boot Aug 16 13:22:56 Dave: yes Aug 16 13:22:59 Rorschach: resuming seems to mess up more Aug 16 13:23:04 uggh Aug 16 13:23:11 damn lindi, and his one-track mind :p Aug 16 13:23:14 Dave: what else would anyone ever want to build? ;) Aug 16 13:23:27 echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron Aug 16 13:23:45 :P Aug 16 13:23:47 lindi-: :D Aug 16 13:23:49 Tanuva: /etc/init.d/zhone-session start? Aug 16 13:23:51 pwron? Aug 16 13:23:58 what is that, the pwn/porn device? Aug 16 13:24:00 turn gps on Aug 16 13:24:04 oh Aug 16 13:24:10 Dave: you see, i always create debian packages of software i use and sometimes try to get them to official debian too Aug 16 13:24:27 oh and btw is there any reason to run fso as root on debian ? Aug 16 13:24:28 Yep :) Aug 16 13:24:32 * Dave high-fives lindi Aug 16 13:24:42 lindi-: gets the screen blank once and returns to the login shell... no output on the terminal, no dmesg info either Aug 16 13:24:42 if you cat /dev/ttySAC1 p0seid0n and it shows NMEA data then its on and tango will get a fix Aug 16 13:24:59 thx, will try Aug 16 13:25:01 think gpsd needs to be installed and running aswell Aug 16 13:25:23 make sure you change the /etc/default/gpsd to point to ttySAC1 Aug 16 13:25:29 dbmoodb: "fso as root"? Aug 16 13:25:34 ah the gui thing Aug 16 13:25:37 dbmoodb: you mean as uid 0? Aug 16 13:25:38 yeah, but i could not find it in 2008.8 repository Aug 16 13:26:01 yeah lindi- like... why is it still running as root -- does it really need that (perhaps to access the requires /dev/ Aug 16 13:26:03 nickometer p0seid0n Aug 16 13:26:05 's* Aug 16 13:26:07 Tanuva: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 Aug 16 13:26:11 p0seid0n: it's called locations and already installed as said Aug 16 13:26:25 dbmoodb: i think somebody was working on setting dbus permissions so that you could run UI as normal user Aug 16 13:26:36 apt nickometer p0seid0n Aug 16 13:26:37 dbmoodb: not the highest priority task for me right now Aug 16 13:26:38 'p0seid0n' is 37.000% lame, dave Aug 16 13:26:40 lindi-: i saw that ... so its about permission problems atm Aug 16 13:26:40 huhu Aug 16 13:26:42 p0seid0n: you don't have to do anything on the terminal or installation to get tangogps working on om2008.8 Aug 16 13:26:47 lindi-: yeah i know -- just wanted to ask Aug 16 13:26:55 how lame is my nick Aug 16 13:26:57 dbmoodb: if you have time, please work out the issues Aug 16 13:27:01 pretty lame Aug 16 13:27:08 lindi-: i am a nub Aug 16 13:27:10 hehe Aug 16 13:27:10 Rorschach should be really lame too Aug 16 13:27:18 dbmoodb: learn python Aug 16 13:27:19 It's too germanic and confusing Aug 16 13:27:24 lindi: haha! Aug 16 13:27:36 Lindi, I'm trying! Aug 16 13:27:37 apt nickometer kd8ikt Aug 16 13:27:39 'kd8ikt' is 14.000% lame, kd8ikt Aug 16 13:27:39 :P Aug 16 13:27:42 heh Aug 16 13:27:48 * Dave is absolut pur Aug 16 13:27:50 dbmoodb: zhone is written in python, you should be able to understand at least some parts of it quickly Aug 16 13:27:50 Rorschach: sure Locations is tangoGPS? looks pretty different to me Aug 16 13:27:58 apt nickometer Dave Aug 16 13:28:00 'Dave' is 0.000% lame, tanuva Aug 16 13:28:01 apt nickometer dbmoodb Aug 16 13:28:03 'dbmoodb' is 0.000% lame, dbmoodb Aug 16 13:28:04 p0seid0n: yes pretty sure Aug 16 13:28:04 hm Aug 16 13:28:08 hm Aug 16 13:28:11 dbmoodb is annoying Aug 16 13:28:13 :P Aug 16 13:28:14 apt nickometer Rorschach Aug 16 13:28:15 'Rorschach' is 0.000% lame, rorschach Aug 16 13:28:20 it just goes by a simple metric Aug 16 13:28:25 hehe Aug 16 13:28:28 It requires more comprehensiveness! Aug 16 13:28:29 apt nickometer phrozen77 Aug 16 13:28:31 'phrozen77' is 19.000% lame, phrozen77_ Aug 16 13:28:32 i don't know python -- should learn it atm i'm learning c++ for uni. Dave bt not lame Aug 16 13:28:34 :O Aug 16 13:28:34 Like taking into account foreign Aug 16 13:28:39 apt nickometer p0seid0n Aug 16 13:28:41 'p0seid0n' is 37.000% lame, phrozen77_ Aug 16 13:28:42 * Tanuva is glad about not having digits in his nick Aug 16 13:28:45 hahaha Aug 16 13:28:48 uggh Aug 16 13:28:50 this "Locations" has zero features Aug 16 13:28:51 this always happens Aug 16 13:28:55 obviously nickometer doesnt take into consideration amateur radio callsigns cause that should make it -50 Aug 16 13:29:03 lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/Uw9FCJ88.html Aug 16 13:29:15 i guess we have a winner Aug 16 13:29:16 :P Aug 16 13:29:53 apt nickometer sevenhundred Aug 16 13:29:55 'sevenhundred' is 0.000% lame, sevenhundred Aug 16 13:30:08 how does ht the rating work ? Aug 16 13:30:12 apt nickometer 700 Aug 16 13:30:13 '700' is 44.000% lame, tanuva Aug 16 13:30:20 /ignore apt :P Aug 16 13:30:24 *g* Aug 16 13:30:31 p0seid0n: maybe I'm also wrong with this, I checked some screenshots and they look different Aug 16 13:30:37 Tanuva: that looks surprisingly ok Aug 16 13:30:41 its /ignore apt all Aug 16 13:30:46 * Dave jabs Raster Aug 16 13:30:51 hello Aug 16 13:30:55 lindi-: I wondered about that, too... Aug 16 13:30:59 more like ignore all your fuckers :P Aug 16 13:31:03 BQS BQS! Aug 16 13:31:06 Tanuva: is your /usr/bin/zhone-session ok= Aug 16 13:31:08 apt nickometer cyb3rr_n1nj4!!1 Aug 16 13:31:10 'cyb3rr_n1nj4!!1' is 97.760% lame, sevenhundred Aug 16 13:31:12 Rorschach: I guess so. but both use OSM as map source Aug 16 13:31:13 Tanuva: can you add "sleep 10000" there? Aug 16 13:31:14 hehehe Aug 16 13:31:15 hahahaha indeed Aug 16 13:31:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r99602a8f4c13 10/odeviced/src/daemon/helpers.vala: Fix a bug where ListObjectsByInterface didn't return in case of plugins registering a single dbus_path Aug 16 13:31:41 someone knows how the special chars aux and start can be accessed in debian? how is it made that pressing aux starts xterm? Aug 16 13:31:42 sevenhundred, you forgot it could be all caps as well! Aug 16 13:31:51 oh god, I shouldn't have said anything :P Aug 16 13:32:02 lindi-: at the beginning? Aug 16 13:32:07 apt nickometer CYB3RR_N1NJ4!!1 Aug 16 13:32:08 * dbmoodb ignoes * Aug 16 13:32:09 'CYB3RR_N1NJ4!!1' is 99.9036% lame, sevenhundred Aug 16 13:32:20 LOL Aug 16 13:32:27 :P Aug 16 13:32:29 win Aug 16 13:32:32 haha Aug 16 13:32:38 Anyhoo, on to better things. Aug 16 13:32:44 Like building lindi's debian packages! Aug 16 13:32:45 I wonder which part of it isn't lame? Aug 16 13:32:47 :) Aug 16 13:32:58 sevenhundred, you'll have the rest of your lifetime to figure that out :) Aug 16 13:33:12 Rorschach: read /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle Aug 16 13:33:28 yay Aug 16 13:33:28 hahaha Aug 16 13:33:28 wtf? Aug 16 13:33:28 Tanuva: yes Aug 16 13:33:28 What is that? Aug 16 13:33:33 hey all Aug 16 13:33:43 lindi-: thx Aug 16 13:33:43 lindi is that the same as adding keyboard to the session file? :P Aug 16 13:33:49 Dave: no Aug 16 13:33:50 so it creates that nice tray icon? Aug 16 13:33:51 oh Aug 16 13:33:54 then what? Aug 16 13:33:55 Dave: it listens to AUX over dbus Aug 16 13:34:00 oh nice? Aug 16 13:34:04 is this for debian only? Aug 16 13:34:08 Dave: and starts and kills matchbox-keyboard on request Aug 16 13:34:17 Dave: it's python, you can use it somewhere else too Aug 16 13:34:18 Didn't ecraven write that? Aug 16 13:34:21 not sure Aug 16 13:34:27 I'm pretty sure he started it Aug 16 13:34:42 is there any way to add a terminal to debian fos ? Aug 16 13:34:44 we conspired to get that working a while back when he started to evilly get debian working Aug 16 13:34:51 matt_: yes :) Aug 16 13:35:22 * matt_ rephrases Aug 16 13:35:32 Dave: the package does not have copyright file, bad package :P Aug 16 13:35:47 Dave: so i don't know who wrote that file Aug 16 13:35:47 hurrrr Aug 16 13:35:48 :P Aug 16 13:35:52 oh well Aug 16 13:36:04 lindi-: do you now how /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle is working? because it's not shown by ps aux Aug 16 13:36:04 back to my python programming I guess then :P Aug 16 13:36:12 Dave: there's only changelog with ' -- Joachim Breitner Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:17:07 -0300' Aug 16 13:36:18 oh Aug 16 13:36:20 Rorschach: /usr/bin/zhone-session starts it Aug 16 13:36:23 sounds like bs Aug 16 13:36:31 probably the fool who packaged it Aug 16 13:36:34 is there plans to add a wm and apps to debian fos ? Aug 16 13:36:35 thx again Aug 16 13:36:41 matt_: it has wm Aug 16 13:36:46 matt_: matchbox-window-manager Aug 16 13:37:14 how do I get to is. zhone is all, and it doesn;t work either. Aug 16 13:37:20 lul Aug 16 13:37:23 lindi-: trying to start zhone-session now kills the line feed and makes the grey x-screen with the x-cursor come up, but nothing more Aug 16 13:37:27 matt_: ssh :) Aug 16 13:37:45 Tanuva: that is exactly what is supposed to happen Aug 16 13:37:49 lindi-: ah :D Aug 16 13:38:03 Tanuva: now execute the rest of /usr/bin/zhone-session manually line by line to see what goes wrong Aug 16 13:38:56 Tanuva: since X is not the culprit here Aug 16 13:39:14 hrm, please, tell me how to debug xorg modules with gdb :P Aug 16 13:39:15 lindi-: grmpf, one reboot, I fiddled around too much :) Aug 16 13:40:39 * sevenhundred installs debian Aug 16 13:41:01 the announcement was too soon if you ask me, lots of bugs to fix :) Aug 16 13:41:29 yeah, the shop I bought my FR at just allowed me to open the FR and still keep my waranty :-) Aug 16 13:41:54 Release soon, release often, so I hear. Aug 16 13:42:27 johngay: yeah true Aug 16 13:42:30 does debian suspend with zphone or ...? Aug 16 13:42:45 like will it do it automatically (like it turns / dims the screen) Aug 16 13:42:48 dbmoodb: zhone does "apm -s" Aug 16 13:42:57 dbmoodb: it should do it over dbus but it doens't yet Aug 16 13:43:02 how can I get out the whole dbus-names of the things if dbus-monitor doesn't work on the freerunner? Aug 16 13:43:03 dbmoodb: apt-get source zhone to see Aug 16 13:43:15 Rorschach: dbus-monitor works on my freerunner Aug 16 13:43:16 lindi-: yes sure sure but.. if i leave it alone will it suspend or will it stay on Aug 16 13:43:32 Rorschach: you need to enable eavesdropping Aug 16 13:43:35 lindi-: debian-gta02:/# dbus-monitor Aug 16 13:43:36 Failed to open connection to session message bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session Aug 16 13:43:49 apt-get install dbus-x11 Aug 16 13:43:50 dbmoodb: learn python, it won't suspend unless you hold power down for 2 seconds :) Aug 16 13:43:59 Rorschach: dbus-monitor --system Aug 16 13:44:02 lindi-: yeah people keep tell me that Aug 16 13:44:05 Rorschach: and you need to configure dbus Aug 16 13:44:34 Rorschach: can you follow http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/issues.txt? it's my internal notes so it might be unclear Aug 16 13:44:38 lindi-: no i had that problem if its debian and its x11... you might need that package...(hides in small box) Aug 16 13:44:57 thx lindi- with these hints I'll figure it out by my own Aug 16 13:45:16 dbmoodb: i don't have dbus-x11 and i can see traffic Aug 16 13:46:02 hi Aug 16 13:48:09 on a macbook pro (with kubuntu), when my freerunner is not connected, dfu-util lists a mysterious device Aug 16 13:48:12 Found Runtime: [0x05ac:0x8205] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Aug 16 13:48:21 what the hell is that? ;) Aug 16 13:48:42 deever: looks like a buildin usb device ;P Aug 16 13:48:57 deever: some laptops have those for bluetooth Aug 16 13:49:52 lindi-: this happens when I start zhone: http://rafb.net/p/TTF20t76.html Aug 16 13:49:56 lindi-: mdbus ..ah ? Aug 16 13:50:03 oh nevermind Aug 16 13:50:07 dbmoodb: just ask :) Aug 16 13:50:07 lindi-: strange. that already worked 2 or 3 times Aug 16 13:50:17 Tanuva: huh Aug 16 13:50:24 Tanuva: dpkg -l zhone Aug 16 13:50:25 ronny: what could that be? Aug 16 13:50:42 deever: most likely bluethooth or something Aug 16 13:51:05 lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/DrvwPV89.html Aug 16 13:51:17 deever: to be sure, ask apple ;P Aug 16 13:51:33 Tanuva: ok Aug 16 13:52:29 Tanuva: dpkg -l|grep -E "(evas|ecore|cython|edbus|edje|embryo)" | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234? Aug 16 13:52:48 ronny :) Aug 16 13:53:50 Tanuva: according to source that function should be in evas Aug 16 13:54:00 Help me build the source :) Aug 16 13:54:02 heehee Aug 16 13:54:11 stupid apple Aug 16 13:54:30 lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/0e9g8991.html Aug 16 13:54:46 sorry to say it that way, but: i liked the UI of 2007.2 and want it back. FSO's UI is crap. Aug 16 13:54:56 Tanuva: exactly same versions Aug 16 13:54:57 Wonka: fso is ok Aug 16 13:55:42 wow Aug 16 13:55:46 Wonka: install 7.2 ;) Aug 16 13:55:46 especially the things the aux and power buttons did were very ok - didn't find any comfortable way to do that in FSO Aug 16 13:56:00 12:53.21 pH5 still fails with "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'image_cache_set'" on the device. Aug 16 13:56:13 Tanuva: somebody saw that on 2008-07-19 Aug 16 13:56:46 dbmoodb: the rest may be ok, the dbus stuff for example, but i don't like the UI Aug 16 13:56:50 lindi-: hm. so what might save me? reinstall debian? Aug 16 13:56:52 haha, speaking of 7.2 Aug 16 13:56:58 the one thing that is ok is the keyboard Aug 16 13:56:59 Tanuva: no, we need to figure out the issue Aug 16 13:57:02 * Dave pesters Speedevil Aug 16 13:57:03 okay Aug 16 13:57:09 Wonka, of course :) Aug 16 13:57:24 Tanuva: but i'll debug xorg, buy SD card. it'll take a while :) Aug 16 13:57:31 Tanuva, what are you doing wrong now? :D Aug 16 13:57:37 Tanuva: for now you could report this bug to bugs.debian.org Aug 16 13:57:38 i like that even more than the matchbox keyboard Aug 16 13:57:47 yeah Aug 16 13:57:53 matchbox-keyboard is pretty bad Aug 16 13:57:55 lindi-: good, going to do that. Aug 16 13:58:03 but it sure as fuck beats the multitap-pad :p Aug 16 13:58:05 Tanuva: along with that dump of version numbers Aug 16 13:58:13 ack ack ack Aug 16 13:58:26 quack Aug 16 13:58:33 syn Aug 16 13:58:43 TRAP Aug 16 13:58:52 rst Aug 16 13:59:01 Dave: the iphone style 'svn co http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/efl-tests/vkbd/' keyboard is going to beat them all :) Aug 16 13:59:09 eh? Aug 16 13:59:22 i can actually type with it quite fast but i need to fix xorg to make landscape work Aug 16 13:59:49 duh Aug 16 13:59:53 otherwise it's kind of pointless Aug 16 14:00:00 yes Aug 16 14:00:02 hmm Aug 16 14:00:22 i still need to figure where the heck to get the right repos for fso2 Aug 16 14:00:35 :[ Aug 16 14:00:46 lol someone checked the code of this gesture-recognition thing? looks like the author first has written it for the nintendo wii :) Aug 16 14:01:05 bah Aug 16 14:01:18 wiirunner? Aug 16 14:01:22 * Dave shudders Aug 16 14:01:37 hehe Aug 16 14:01:38 fweemote? Aug 16 14:01:43 motherfucking nintendoo Aug 16 14:02:14 ronny: i'll do some investigation, yes! ;) Aug 16 14:03:02 * lindi- has source level debugging of xorg with everything running on the phone Aug 16 14:03:09 hot Aug 16 14:03:15 Rorschach: it not only looks like that, the lib was written for the wiimote first Aug 16 14:03:28 lindi-: how would one use that? Aug 16 14:04:11 bumbl: nice to know :) I was just wondering because I stumbeled several times over the word "wii" in the sourcecode Aug 16 14:04:16 lindi-: as in "copy files where, change what entries, ..." Aug 16 14:04:28 Wonka: are you using debian? Aug 16 14:04:32 lindi-: no Aug 16 14:04:46 lindi-: at least not on my FR Aug 16 14:04:46 then i don't know Aug 16 14:05:05 i tried to build org.openmoko.asu.dev with mokomakefile for days Aug 16 14:05:17 i'd like trying debian, but ATM i don't want to empty my 8GB SDHC Aug 16 14:05:43 so i'd like to install it to internal flash Aug 16 14:05:48 somehow Aug 16 14:05:55 no chance at the moment :) Aug 16 14:06:13 Wonka: just chroot to debian Aug 16 14:06:27 so, um, how long does the debian installation take? Aug 16 14:06:42 15 minutes Aug 16 14:07:02 lindi-: the problem is that i've got a sd card "full" with map data and i want to keep using that Aug 16 14:07:02 Rorschach: then it seems that the code needs a cleanup Aug 16 14:07:07 lindi-: longer than that ... no... -- are you talking about the prebuilt or rolling your own ? Aug 16 14:07:27 Wonka: if it's completely full then logically you don't have space :) Aug 16 14:07:37 there are some G free... Aug 16 14:07:42 but no vfat partition Aug 16 14:07:45 Bumble :) Aug 16 14:07:56 dbmoodb: hmm? Aug 16 14:08:24 Wonka: debian chroot just needs a directory in ext2 Aug 16 14:08:49 lindi-, I guess it has been finished for twenty minutes now, then, and just keeps downloading for the heck of it? :P Aug 16 14:08:56 lindi-: using vncviewer i cant scroll up --- its locked to scrolling down the bars ... is the touchscreen configured ... 100% yet (takes this to be a bug) Aug 16 14:09:05 someone good the orientation-swapping with xrandr -o inverted work? it just shows errors to me Aug 16 14:09:11 on tangogps, how do you know when it's finished downloading tiles / how many it has remaining? Aug 16 14:09:13 s/good/got/ Aug 16 14:09:14 Rorschach meant: someone got the orientation-swapping with xrandr -o inverted work? it just shows errors to me Aug 16 14:09:29 dbmoodb: use xev to test? Aug 16 14:09:43 Rorschach: with xorg? Aug 16 14:10:00 sevenhundred: ps axuf? Aug 16 14:10:13 it looks so nice tho -- the vnc Aug 16 14:10:28 lol, xiangfu made a possible intersting post at http://planet.openmoko.org/ Aug 16 14:10:37 no with default debian install.. so does xrandr just work with a Xserver? Aug 16 14:11:10 Rorschach: not with xorg Aug 16 14:11:34 Rorschach: but 'Option "Rotate" "CW"' works Aug 16 14:12:07 except that the touchscreen coordinates are broken :) Aug 16 14:13:07 okay than it's not quite useble at the moment :) Aug 16 14:13:51 i'm working on it right now Aug 16 14:14:10 Zorkman: if one could read it... Aug 16 14:14:55 ZORKMAN Aug 16 14:15:08 haha, indeed Aug 16 14:15:47 I can read some of it. Aug 16 14:16:20 lindi-: ok, problem "solved". something just ate the partition table and FS on that 8GB microSDHC again. Aug 16 14:17:04 Wonka: yeah that happens to me all the time Wonka how did you solve it ? Aug 16 14:17:20 dbmoodb: not at all. Aug 16 14:17:27 fail ? Aug 16 14:18:20 RAID. Aug 16 14:18:48 # file -s /dev/mmcblk0p1 Aug 16 14:18:49 /dev/mmcblk0p1: data Aug 16 14:20:35 anyone know a good small rss feed ... progra m? Aug 16 14:28:12 dbmoodb: I use newsbeuter on my desktop-system but it's console based and won't work well on the neo Aug 16 14:28:46 but there was this python rss reder Aug 16 14:29:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyFeedRead Aug 16 14:30:35 * Aug 16 14:30:36 python-core python-misc python-lang python-pygtk python-netclient Aug 16 14:33:05 is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? Aug 16 14:40:19 question, is just me or the people behind the qtopia plattform want to kill the phone? Aug 16 14:40:44 that thing just dont work? Aug 16 14:41:14 ulix: context? Aug 16 14:41:36 I installed yesterday and i have to takeit back to 2007.2 Aug 16 14:41:51 hu? Aug 16 14:41:52 because it was not receiving my sms Aug 16 14:42:07 reread topix Aug 16 14:42:09 neither my voice-mail notifications Aug 16 14:42:25 /topic Aug 16 14:42:44 ok kd8ikt where is that? Aug 16 14:43:07 * kd8ikt begins blugeoning ulix with a keyboard Aug 16 14:43:18 I just did an "opkg upgrade" and if I do it one more time, it still upgrades, is that normal ? Aug 16 14:43:50 sounds like it didnt successfulyl complete Deubeuliou Aug 16 14:43:56 yes Aug 16 14:44:09 I think so: actually, it is the 4th one Aug 16 14:44:23 the 1st one was done trough ssh Aug 16 14:44:33 mmm i can't get debian to let mplayer be fullscreen... any ideas anyone ? Aug 16 14:44:41 and the link broke when the ssh server restarted Aug 16 14:44:46 just like the 2nd one Aug 16 14:44:59 and the 3rd one: X died Aug 16 14:45:01 where is the data of /etc/pointercal described? Because my calibration ist wrong and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian#Get_touchscreen_working does not work for me. Aug 16 14:45:35 easy_: its a fine located on some ftp / http server -- see the install script for the location ... Aug 16 14:46:39 dbmoodb, what install script? I use http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo to install debian on my freerunner. Aug 16 14:47:12 easy_: yeah that sound be fine Aug 16 14:47:19 557 38667 -4654632 -51172 121 46965312 65536 Aug 16 14:47:31 thats what mine says and it works great Aug 16 14:47:33 ... get rid of the install.txt... blah and then try looking for the pointcal -- or use what kd8ikt just posted Aug 16 14:47:35 kd8ikt, will try. Aug 16 14:49:11 Nope not really. I can only use the first quarter in the top left of my touchscreen to move the pointer... :/ Aug 16 14:49:29 probably need a modified deb Aug 16 14:49:41 i used the install script they made Aug 16 14:49:54 so... youre missing something Aug 16 14:50:19 pluss last i checked that manual one was pretty much tailored for the gta01 Aug 16 14:50:30 kd8ikt: --- i just copied and pasted the pointercal ... it worked... Aug 16 14:50:35 and gta02 was an afterthought Aug 16 14:50:36 I'll look in the installation script. Aug 16 14:51:04 dbmoodb: yours wasnt working either? Aug 16 14:51:04 kd8ikt: you can use the manual install for the gta02 but -- just take the install script and mod it -- really... its best to follow that install script Aug 16 14:51:12 kd8ikt: it is now -- i'm on lenny :) Aug 16 14:51:20 whoa, speakerphone does _not_ work flawlessly in qtopia XD Aug 16 14:51:50 the video is really slow on debian atm Aug 16 14:52:02 make it work! Aug 16 14:52:32 dumb question: why is openmoko 2008.8 based on QTopia and not GTK+? : Aug 16 14:52:48 easy_: are you sure your calibration is wrong? Aug 16 14:53:06 yeah i hate the qtopia dialer Aug 16 14:53:09 dbmoodb: with xorg? Aug 16 14:53:30 2008.8 w/qtopia dialer FTL Aug 16 14:53:47 Ok, now it works. Added Width an Height to the Input-Section in the xorg.conf Aug 16 14:53:49 lindi-: xorg ? .... ah yeh my debian lenny works with xorg .... the video is slow tho... Aug 16 14:54:15 dbmoodb: lenny? Aug 16 14:54:35 lindi-: more concern to me is the keyboard disappearing on gnome-screensaver (i like my floating debian screensaver) debian lenny lindi- ... as opposed to sid Aug 16 14:54:36 need specially encoded video's and that jerry rigged patch for mplayer that i cant get to compile Aug 16 14:55:34 http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ Aug 16 14:56:33 shoragan: ping Aug 16 14:56:44 snoogens Aug 16 14:57:27 are there any more detailed maps for tangogps ? Aug 16 14:59:52 haha, it's funny because the answer is yes, but they suck :P Aug 16 14:59:59 kd8ikt: actually qtopia itself is quite nice Aug 16 15:00:17 kd8ikt: i found it to be more usable than openmoko Aug 16 15:00:32 can one ssh into qtopia? Aug 16 15:00:38 Hey everyone ... I just got my Freerunner and ran into major problems. Would you mind to help me out? Aug 16 15:00:39 i want to try it Aug 16 15:00:40 cga: yes of course! Aug 16 15:00:45 cool thanks Aug 16 15:00:47 Garinn: yes shoot Aug 16 15:00:58 Dave: hmm, i wish one could teach tangogps google maps Aug 16 15:00:58 I flashed it to AUS Aug 16 15:01:03 ASU* Aug 16 15:01:07 you can Aug 16 15:01:14 Dave: how? Aug 16 15:01:14 why thank you for that extra special thought directed at me Aug 16 15:01:24 (i totally missed that Aug 16 15:01:29 and now it goes into standy whenever I dont touch it .. immediately Aug 16 15:01:34 My understanding is the only problem is the "legal issue" Aug 16 15:01:39 standby* Aug 16 15:01:40 Garinn: ok Aug 16 15:01:44 Garinn, does gsm work? Aug 16 15:01:50 No Aug 16 15:01:53 mmm k Aug 16 15:01:57 no idea! tell u what just put Openmoko 2007.02 it works well Aug 16 15:02:12 Apparently, my sim card is among those that dont work with the phone =/ Aug 16 15:02:20 nice Aug 16 15:02:43 Garinn, mine works with all oses but gsm doesn't work either on asu or fso Aug 16 15:02:46 ronny: there is always of course the DIY solution... Aug 16 15:02:54 it's not a sim problem Aug 16 15:03:10 It's a you're not cool enough problem :P Aug 16 15:03:16 lol Aug 16 15:03:22 well, it never registerd on 2007 either Aug 16 15:03:39 meh Aug 16 15:03:40 SpeedEvil: wich is usually insane, and even more cause i suck at map things Aug 16 15:03:47 i thank me that i still have a pleistocene sim card Aug 16 15:04:07 does anyone have an idea why X died when doing an opkg-upgrade ? Aug 16 15:04:14 ronny: Adding to OSM isn't hard. Aug 16 15:04:47 I found that list of supported sim cards, got one from E-Plus (German) Aug 16 15:04:50 Deubeuliou, it usually restart it (and you lose ssh if you don't nohup dropbear) Aug 16 15:05:14 so, apparently, its a 3GM card and not supported by the Freerunner Aug 16 15:05:20 I did the upgrade directly on the phone. but X doesn't restart Aug 16 15:05:24 mmm Aug 16 15:05:28 I see lines printing Aug 16 15:05:32 SpeedEvil: guess i will do then Aug 16 15:05:32 in loop? Aug 16 15:05:34 looping always the sames Aug 16 15:05:42 kenrnel problem, it's known Aug 16 15:05:43 ronny: where are you? Aug 16 15:05:48 ow :( Aug 16 15:05:51 just unplug the battery and restart Aug 16 15:05:55 ronny: it'd be nice if you could buy TT for the phone :/ Aug 16 15:05:59 then flash kernenl Aug 16 15:06:01 can't I just restart X ? Aug 16 15:06:04 nope Aug 16 15:06:10 it's a kernel loop Aug 16 15:06:11 I'm logged in Aug 16 15:06:14 trough ssh Aug 16 15:06:16 not anymore Aug 16 15:06:19 I am Aug 16 15:06:22 Also, the dialer tells me it cant start gsm because the sim was missing - tried a friend's sim and the message changed to "not registered" Aug 16 15:06:24 how so? Aug 16 15:06:34 ssh. I just installed tangogps Aug 16 15:06:37 right now Aug 16 15:06:39 mmm Aug 16 15:06:47 and I can restart X Aug 16 15:06:55 it happened me 10 minutes ago Aug 16 15:06:55 well get out of there and unplug battery Aug 16 15:07:06 || you are lucky Aug 16 15:07:25 or I do a "halt" ? Aug 16 15:08:36 Deubeuliou, if it works Aug 16 15:08:54 it does Aug 16 15:08:57 k Aug 16 15:09:36 hem ... with which kernel should I flash ? Aug 16 15:09:42 Deubeuliou, prolly opkg didn't upgrade dropbear Aug 16 15:09:59 Deubeuliou, i don't know actually. try one newer than yours Aug 16 15:10:18 well, I did it several times; I just had to reconnect Aug 16 15:10:52 but it stopped the upgrade when doing it trough ssh Aug 16 15:11:00 full marks to those who rolled the Debian build. It's like arriving at home after staying in a caravan. Aug 16 15:13:57 cga, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ <-- I think this uImage is the one I have ... the stock one. Aug 16 15:14:26 Deubeuliou, that's what i meant. if you opkg upgrade it stops and disconnect you. see here for doing it all good: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Update_with_the_package_manager (nohup line) Aug 16 15:14:38 Deubeuliou, that's the default image that comes with fr Aug 16 15:15:02 then it's the one I have Aug 16 15:15:25 exactly, you need a newer one Aug 16 15:15:30 and I don't know wheter it is right or not to upgrade to the 2008.8 while having 2007.2 rootfs Aug 16 15:15:58 Deubeuliou, neither do i Aug 16 15:15:59 Deubeuliou: no, you must reflash Aug 16 15:16:00 do you also have the WSOD with debian too? Aug 16 15:16:43 ok. oh, BTW, I tried to use screen but ... it does nothing :( Aug 16 15:16:59 Deubeuliou, read that page. it saved my life XD Aug 16 15:17:02 ok, cga, I'm trying the nohup right now Aug 16 15:17:05 ok Aug 16 15:17:12 Rorschach: wsod? Aug 16 15:18:03 Deubeuliou, always run "nohup opkg upgrade dropbear &" first and the "opkg upgrade" Aug 16 15:18:07 lindi-: white screen of death (after a longer suspend and you wanna resume) Aug 16 15:18:30 the screen is just white and nothing happens and you have to shutdown and reboot Aug 16 15:18:48 Rorschach: no ping? Aug 16 15:19:03 nah everyhting "works" but screen Aug 16 15:19:20 like i can ssh in Aug 16 15:19:40 kd8ikt: you also have it? Aug 16 15:19:44 sometimes Aug 16 15:19:59 thats why i dont really use suspend Aug 16 15:20:02 I always when I suspend for more than 20min or so Aug 16 15:20:28 yeah thats how to replicate it Aug 16 15:20:48 but besides that battery life kicks ass with suspend Aug 16 15:21:32 I never tested it but I assume suspend saves a lot of battery time Aug 16 15:22:53 * dbmoodb installs powertop Aug 16 15:23:05 lol that name has gay overtons Aug 16 15:23:08 tones* Aug 16 15:23:12 * mwester install MS Office Aug 16 15:23:14 hehe Aug 16 15:23:22 anyone knows how to tell the fso2 to shut down? Aug 16 15:23:24 'powertop' Aug 16 15:23:26 ms office = bsod Aug 16 15:23:35 95.8% (200.0) : S3C2410 Timer Tick Aug 16 15:23:40 ronny: keep the start button pressed for some time Aug 16 15:23:41 at least it changes colors now XD Aug 16 15:24:04 DAMN Aug 16 15:24:15 it just did a hard poweroff Aug 16 15:24:29 thats NOT a gracefull shutdown -_- Aug 16 15:24:39 well, i'd start getting used to it Aug 16 15:24:42 :p Aug 16 15:25:04 :p Aug 16 15:25:32 apparently powertops says we don't have hpet on or the no tick optionthing Aug 16 15:25:34 ronny: alternatively take out the battery Aug 16 15:25:36 whats the problem with puting a fscking button in there that calls shutodwn? Aug 16 15:25:47 root@david-laptop:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Aug 16 15:25:47 usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Aucun périphérique de ce type <-- why it doesn't work now ? it used to work ... Aug 16 15:25:49 ronny: only users need that.. Aug 16 15:25:55 Deubeuliou: missing module Aug 16 15:26:10 AND STOP TELLING STUPID UGLY SOLUTIONS Aug 16 15:26:12 Deubeuliou: modprobe cdc_ether Aug 16 15:26:17 Deubeuliou: modprobe usbnet Aug 16 15:26:33 ronny: lol Aug 16 15:26:42 modprobe buttsecks Aug 16 15:26:48 ronny: putting in a button should be simple Aug 16 15:27:28 lindi-, it still doesn't work. But it used to, and Ididn't reboot Aug 16 15:27:57 Deubeuliou, you didn't read all the page down from nohup right???? there was written what to do to get usb working Aug 16 15:28:00 Deubeuliou: can you provide the error in english? Aug 16 15:28:33 cga, I'm not at this point, for now. I'm just trying to use the gps for now Aug 16 15:28:46 lindi-, "No such Peripheric" ? Aug 16 15:29:00 lindi-: on debian lenny suspending makes thes kebyoard / input be ignored on resume Aug 16 15:29:05 Deubeuliou: "LANG=C ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" please Aug 16 15:29:18 dbmoodb: you have lenny on freerunner? Aug 16 15:29:18 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Aug 16 15:29:18 usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Aug 16 15:29:19 like you can enter things.. but it doesn't registe Aug 16 15:29:20 r Aug 16 15:29:24 lindi-: yes lenny not sid Aug 16 15:29:30 Deubeuliou: yeah definitely you have some modules missing Aug 16 15:29:41 dbmoodb: why not sid? ;) Aug 16 15:29:48 i'm sane Aug 16 15:29:54 :) Aug 16 15:30:14 dbmoodb: my choise was to do daily backups :) Aug 16 15:30:27 choice even Aug 16 15:30:53 hey guys Aug 16 15:30:58 Deubeuliou, follow that link for kernel modules ; depmod ; reboot. Aug 16 15:30:58 I'm running om2007.2 Aug 16 15:31:03 lindi-: debian damn works why go and choose the unstable sid version -- when i can have lenny Aug 16 15:31:05 sounds stopped working Aug 16 15:31:09 pulseaudio seems to be running Aug 16 15:31:17 anyone got an ideas of what to try? Aug 16 15:31:25 dbmoodb: since the pkg-fso packages will appear in unstable Aug 16 15:31:26 (it's not hardware headphones seemt to be ok) Aug 16 15:31:38 lindi-: and ? i have them in lenny anyways Aug 16 15:31:47 is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? Aug 16 15:31:52 (just added the unstable repos and got like the few packages requried) Aug 16 15:32:08 dbmoodb: ok, i never figured out how to safely mix repos Aug 16 15:32:10 yes deever it works just like every other build Aug 16 15:32:16 lindi-: don't Aug 16 15:32:28 dbmoodb: i just use chroots Aug 16 15:32:45 I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking Aug 16 15:32:47 but you can do it properly ... with only adding the sources filling the deps than making it your self Aug 16 15:34:45 Deubeuliou, i think i told you to follow that link i gave you before you started. i did the same mistake when that solution wasn't published. the usb don't work anymore... i *had* to flash the phone and then follow those instructions to get the upgrade and usb working again. Aug 16 15:35:01 good luck Aug 16 15:35:10 mmmh ok :( Aug 16 15:36:14 fortunately the usb works at NOR and NAND so you can flash, otherwise we would have two nice bricked neos Aug 16 15:36:43 where did you took the kernel you flashed with ? Aug 16 15:36:46 cga: don't tell people about the third bootloader ;) Aug 16 15:36:50 lol Aug 16 15:37:06 Deubeuliou, the release link you pasted before Aug 16 15:37:10 dbmoodb: the NSA one? Aug 16 15:37:15 both kernel and rootfs btw Aug 16 15:37:24 isn'it the stock one ? Aug 16 15:37:34 yes, that' what i wanted Aug 16 15:37:44 if you wnat asu or others go for them Aug 16 15:37:56 I have ASU one the SD card Aug 16 15:37:58 SpeedEvil: i don't have the security repo listed for my debian yet (going to do that now) -- so i think i have the ird one being the openssl problem rofl Aug 16 15:38:15 asu it's very nice but doesn't work for me as a phone, i need the phone Aug 16 15:38:18 I have to flash with the same kernel that is already on it ? Aug 16 15:38:28 yeah, and I find it too slow Aug 16 15:38:37 Deubeuliou, what don't you understand of "it is BORKED" ?? Aug 16 15:38:55 dbmoodb: :) Aug 16 15:39:18 1 week form today is my local linux user group (lug) i cant wait Aug 16 15:39:35 i'm gonna show off my phone ;) Aug 16 15:39:39 is you LUG what? Aug 16 15:39:46 ? Aug 16 15:40:03 you said is "my lug, i can't wait" Aug 16 15:40:28 and i ask.. is your lug $what_event? Aug 16 15:40:55 CLUG (C)incinnati (L)inux (U)ser (G)roup, and i said "my local LUG..." Aug 16 15:41:03 nevermind Aug 16 15:41:27 i might not understand the phrase since i'm not mothertongue Aug 16 15:41:57 only ruskies say mother(anything) Aug 16 15:42:06 meh Aug 16 15:42:11 motherbomb Aug 16 15:42:19 what's a rusky? Aug 16 15:42:26 Russian Aug 16 15:42:33 An Americanism Aug 16 15:42:37 nope i am a mafia man XD Aug 16 15:42:54 KGB? Aug 16 15:43:03 mafia ====== i'm italian Aug 16 15:43:17 bah Aug 16 15:43:20 meh Aug 16 15:43:20 cga: yeah sure given enough relationships Aug 16 15:43:27 i'm god Aug 16 15:43:33 apparently or something like that Aug 16 15:43:38 * cga worships dbmoodb Aug 16 15:43:42 i may also be a trash can Aug 16 15:43:45 I'm nobody. Aug 16 15:43:52 hello i'm a mac Aug 16 15:43:55 And nobody's perfect (-= Aug 16 15:44:01 Ruski is an american russian Aug 16 15:44:03 youre gay! thats counts for somethin Aug 16 15:44:21 No I'm not. That's just my name. Aug 16 15:44:37 ... what your lastname is gay or somethin? Aug 16 15:44:57 Yes. BTW, I'm actually extremely homophobic. Aug 16 15:45:09 johngay: hence the gay Aug 16 15:45:10 wow if that isnt irony i dunno what is Aug 16 15:45:13 its on your end Aug 16 15:45:17 or should i say bottom Aug 16 15:45:17 do you know anybody whose lastname is "something" ? Aug 16 15:45:54 You go through puberty with that name and see if you don't turn out homophobic (-= Aug 16 15:45:57 I do know someone whose lastname is "nobody"(actually, in French) Aug 16 15:46:17 persona no-grata ? Aug 16 15:46:19 person? Aug 16 15:46:20 ah youre just repressed Aug 16 15:46:27 closet case Aug 16 15:46:37 personne Aug 16 15:47:12 Deubeuliou, i can speak a bit of french but i can't write none Aug 16 15:47:16 its latin Aug 16 15:47:32 je'm apple dbmoodb, commonel tapples tu -- yes its very bad Aug 16 15:47:33 what's latin? personne? Aug 16 15:47:58 no Aug 16 15:48:02 personne is french Aug 16 15:48:09 :P like Aug 16 15:48:13 I don't know the translation in latin ... Aug 16 15:48:19 Quid custodiet ipsos custodes Aug 16 15:48:24 hehe Aug 16 15:48:34 ex falso quod libet Aug 16 15:48:46 * dbmoodb uses babelfish ---OOOO we need a babelfish terminal program for the phone Aug 16 15:48:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata Aug 16 15:48:58 it's italian Aug 16 15:49:00 kd8ikt: what i mean non* Aug 16 15:49:31 ah Quid custodiet ipsos custodes doesn't translate back to english from french...\ Aug 16 15:49:31 Quid custodiet ipsos custodes is better Aug 16 15:49:56 http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt Aug 16 15:49:57 because its fucking latin dbmoodb Aug 16 15:50:01 OH Aug 16 15:50:20 that's a dead language how should any one know that ? Aug 16 15:50:25 lol Aug 16 15:50:36 then why is it on US money? Aug 16 15:50:43 monies Aug 16 15:50:44 kd8ikt: no one told the us Aug 16 15:50:49 dbmoodb: I learned it at school Aug 16 15:51:04 i studied it at college Aug 16 15:51:05 latin rules Aug 16 15:51:10 and we just used it in here. so technicly its not dead Aug 16 15:51:12 its a dead language in the way there is no real way to pronounce the words any more / talk using it .. properly i think Aug 16 15:51:22 dbmoodb: course there is Aug 16 15:51:26 like its not a spoken language anymore Aug 16 15:51:27 dbmoodb, you're worng Aug 16 15:51:29 dbmoodb: there is! Aug 16 15:51:30 really ? Aug 16 15:52:10 yes :) Aug 16 15:52:44 Rorschach, where are you from? Aug 16 15:52:54 germany Aug 16 15:52:58 k Aug 16 15:53:17 german it's very latin like Aug 16 15:53:18 * dbmoodb sleep time it might be midday there but its 2 am here Aug 16 15:53:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F Aug 16 15:53:38 german is very pure-- english is very muddled in comparison i am told ... Aug 16 15:53:47 dbmoodb: gn8 Aug 16 15:54:02 n8 dbmoodb Aug 16 15:54:10 nate ? Aug 16 15:54:13 And American is even more screwed up that Engish. Aug 16 15:54:25 not to mention australian XD Aug 16 15:54:37 cga: australian is english - british + g'day Aug 16 15:54:41 lol Aug 16 15:54:47 you forgot mate Aug 16 15:54:55 the british have mate Aug 16 15:55:03 they do it often -- its cold there Aug 16 15:55:08 yeah but they don't say "g'day mate" Aug 16 15:55:34 cga: been to australia lately :) i live there we don't say that really... Aug 16 15:55:46 eh Aug 16 15:56:02 been there in 2006 and plan to emigrate in 2010 Aug 16 15:56:37 australia, this prison-island :) Aug 16 15:56:47 what a prison... Aug 16 15:56:49 i want to move anywhere there is public healthcare Aug 16 15:56:53 That's all Paul Hogan's fault (-= Has he been lynched yet? Aug 16 15:57:10 kd8ikt: cuba? Aug 16 15:57:13 croiky what a beauty! Aug 16 15:57:20 cga: australia was a prison, britain sent there criminals there Aug 16 15:57:21 except cuba Aug 16 15:57:29 Rorschach, i know thanks =) Aug 16 15:57:33 kd8ikt: why not? cuba is nic Aug 16 15:57:34 e Aug 16 15:57:46 CHE GEUVERA Aug 16 15:57:54 kd8ikt: germany has a good public health care but they are going to destruct it more and more Aug 16 15:57:55 Hows finland, for a place to migrate to Aug 16 15:57:57 :p Aug 16 15:58:02 nokia land Aug 16 15:58:17 what about linux land? Aug 16 15:58:22 finland == very very expensive alcohol Aug 16 15:58:33 then let's get on a boat and get drunk Aug 16 15:58:35 Rorschach, I thought it rained vodka there Aug 16 15:58:38 Typical British mentality. If you comit a crime, we'll deport you from cold, soggy England to nice, warm, wide-open Australia. Aug 16 15:58:42 take a ferry to amsterdam Aug 16 15:58:47 johngay: :D Aug 16 15:58:52 No wonder crime was so rife in England (-= Aug 16 15:59:02 no scandinavia is very expensive and especially for alcohol Aug 16 15:59:25 hows the IT market there Aug 16 15:59:27 England has National Health. Aug 16 15:59:40 johngay: that's a reason not to go there.. Aug 16 15:59:53 health service in cuba is 3x as good as the english.. Aug 16 16:00:27 france, canada, britian, and now germany are the main ones that stickout in my mind Aug 16 16:00:50 yeah but everything else probably sucks balls edistar Aug 16 16:00:56 Shame the government is questionable with Castro hospitalized. Aug 16 16:01:08 Hrm I want to work with open wifi networks, germany sounds fun Aug 16 16:01:09 he's still in the hospital? Aug 16 16:01:39 kd8ikt: I'm in .nl just now, and .de is quite good too.. Aug 16 16:01:50 who's gonna take over if/when he dies Aug 16 16:01:50 Last I heard. His brother is running things, but he's not expected to ever recover. Aug 16 16:02:05 kd8ikt: his brother ;) it will collapse eventually Aug 16 16:02:09 the US ist just too mean Aug 16 16:02:19 FOUL PLAY! his brother did it! Aug 16 16:02:22 Question is how long will it be before they admit he's dead? Aug 16 16:02:36 with the candlestick in the study Aug 16 16:04:30 we should probably get back on topic now Aug 16 16:05:09 who's up for making a #openmoko-offtopic ? Aug 16 16:06:05 kd8ikt: shall I create one? Aug 16 16:06:21 Rorschach: why not Aug 16 16:06:24 lol looks like i missed quite a conversation Aug 16 16:06:24 can't do any harm Aug 16 16:06:49 toolate made it Aug 16 16:07:03 havent registered it though Aug 16 16:07:18 and def dont feel like registering it Aug 16 16:07:41 in offtopic it doesn't matter anyway Aug 16 16:24:01 I'm using kubuntu but I can't ssh to my freerunner now 2008.8 is flashed to it. Does anyone know why this is? Aug 16 16:24:43 blalien: have you read the forum? Aug 16 16:24:52 the wiki I mean Aug 16 16:24:56 can you ping it? Aug 16 16:27:16 Rorschach: Nope I can't ping it Aug 16 16:27:36 did you do what is written in the wiki? Aug 16 16:28:44 It is only recognized by dfu-util Aug 16 16:28:44 Yeah I tried the Simple Manual Linux Configuration Aug 16 16:31:11 is there an ebook (pdf and such) reader for the moko? Aug 16 16:31:13 blalien, simple manual and proxying will be enough Aug 16 16:31:17 same page Aug 16 16:31:22 try roboot or messing with usb cable in and out Aug 16 16:31:25 i do that everytime with ubuntu Aug 16 16:31:32 darn bug Aug 16 16:31:33 or should my friend try to compile xpdf or something from source? Aug 16 16:31:42 neither the script works Aug 16 16:31:47 TAsn: yeah Aug 16 16:31:57 yeah to which? Aug 16 16:31:57 :) Aug 16 16:32:03 compile Aug 16 16:32:13 i c. Aug 16 16:32:17 well i will tell him that. Aug 16 16:32:19 thanks. Aug 16 16:35:10 cga: when I try the simple manual it gives me an error message that no device is recognized Aug 16 16:35:35 but I think it's very strange that it's recognized by dfu-util Aug 16 16:35:54 blalien, let me guess... were you able to ssh before? and you did okpg upgrade on 20072.? now the usb don't work!! Aug 16 16:36:09 about to buy a microsdhc card for my gta02 ... anyone have a large (4GB+) that is confirmed working? Aug 16 16:36:21 MadTBone: sandisk 8gb works here Aug 16 16:36:24 cga: Nope I flashed it to 2008.8 Aug 16 16:36:29 MadTBone, sandisk 8/16GB are said to wirk Aug 16 16:36:32 *work Aug 16 16:36:41 edistar and cga : thanks Aug 16 16:36:44 blalien, then i don't know sorry Aug 16 16:36:57 cga: No problem, thanks for your help Aug 16 16:37:09 TAsn: apt-get install xpdf? ;) Aug 16 16:38:55 lindi-, on the moko... ;0 Aug 16 16:39:05 TAsn: es Aug 16 16:39:12 yes? Aug 16 16:39:16 yes Aug 16 16:39:21 don't you mean at least opkg install? Aug 16 16:39:26 no Aug 16 16:39:50 lindi-: you should do adverts.. Aug 16 16:40:07 MrTuttle: kingston works Aug 16 16:40:19 MadTBone: * ^ Aug 16 16:40:25 lindi-, i'm not running debian you know... Aug 16 16:40:30 *he is Aug 16 16:42:42 edistar: heh :) Aug 16 16:42:57 TAsn: but you can easily install it to chroot if you don't want to do full install Aug 16 16:43:28 lindi-, im currently thinking about getting the binaries from it. Aug 16 16:43:31 should work Aug 16 16:43:34 (or so i think) Aug 16 16:43:43 TAsn: chroot Aug 16 16:43:55 * torindel currently tries to bootstrap Aug 16 16:43:55 lindi-, chroot takes space Aug 16 16:44:00 just the binaries don't. Aug 16 16:44:09 TAsn: yeah, like 300M Aug 16 16:44:33 Dave: #openmoko-offtopic.. feel free to join ;) Aug 16 16:44:42 which is ~299.99 more than he wants to use on xpdf. Aug 16 16:45:09 TAsn: 2G sd card costs like 8 euros Aug 16 16:45:37 זה עדיין לא מצדיק, טיפש Aug 16 16:45:40 :0 Aug 16 16:45:44 lindi-, i know, even the gas burnt to the store costs more. Aug 16 16:45:50 :O Aug 16 16:46:01 lindi-, but still, bloating isn't necessary. Aug 16 16:46:06 lindi-: 8GB arent that expensive either Aug 16 16:46:32 עזוב, הוא משוגע. Aug 16 16:46:45 lindi-, bloating is usually bad Aug 16 16:46:49 פתרונות מיקרוסופט :) Aug 16 16:47:05 there's no reason why he shouldn't take just the binaries or compile it himself Aug 16 16:47:41 כן, כותבים חרא קוד, לא מתועד אבל בשביל לשנות דברים כותבים מחדש ולא מוחקים את הישן Aug 16 16:47:54 הם לא באמת עושים את זה. Aug 16 16:47:59 TAsn: developer time costs, hacks like that are not usable long term :/ Aug 16 16:47:59 אבל עדיין, חרא פתרון. Aug 16 16:48:09 lindi-, developer time? Aug 16 16:48:18 we are just talking about compiling the damn thing Aug 16 16:48:21 not rewriting it. Aug 16 16:48:46 when we'll get to the bridge, we'll cross it. Aug 16 16:49:08 there's no reason not to use a working solution which is a lot "cheaper" Aug 16 16:49:20 lindi-, further more, he can remove it in a sec. Aug 16 16:49:33 but it seems to be slower to install :) Aug 16 16:49:35 lindi-, getting debian just for xpdf Aug 16 16:49:42 lindi-, compile over night. Aug 16 16:50:04 lindi-, going by your way of thinking he should just buy a laptop and glue it to the moko Aug 16 16:50:13 and tada, laptops are cheap nowdays Aug 16 16:50:55 TAsn: not such a bad idea :D Aug 16 16:51:32 edistar, developers also thought about that (or so i think) that's why there's that hole on the bottom, it's for screwing on an eee ;0 Aug 16 16:51:39 :P Aug 16 16:51:50 TAsn: ASR33 Aug 16 16:51:53 there is an article on /. about debian on the neo freerunner. though it was not very informative to me. Aug 16 16:52:34 xmpp, And the comments are the usual, misinformed stuff. Aug 16 16:52:35 SpeedEvil, what does that has to do with anything? :) Aug 16 16:52:58 well im going to grab something to eat. Aug 16 16:53:01 thanks everyone Aug 16 16:54:00 most comments highlights the unstability/unreliability of the software Aug 16 16:54:32 i have the impression that openmoko has mostly bad press everywhere Aug 16 16:54:44 xmpp, But a lot of them say, well who cares about OM, Android is coming soon, etc. Aug 16 16:55:24 android won't be open source so i don't care Aug 16 16:55:42 sure you get bad press when most people tries to compare it to commercial phones... Aug 16 16:56:01 xmpp, I agree completely. I'm using that as an example of how the /. comments show people don't understand OM. Aug 16 16:56:08 but android is google so many people will follow anyway Aug 16 16:56:34 people just dont get that this is a developer phone Aug 16 16:58:26 hi guys, im trying to run om in qemu, just to explore the state. - but i cannot click anything? didnt found a solution in the wiki or ml. any ideas? Aug 16 16:58:33 i'm ok with the developer phone quality, but i really wish right now that all efforts goes toward improving stability and usability of the phone features Aug 16 16:59:28 * Zorkman agrees Aug 16 16:59:51 phone usability and features should be top priority now Aug 16 17:00:10 i think making it easy to develop should be top priority :) Aug 16 17:00:15 make and receive calls flawlessly, with all day long battery life Aug 16 17:00:22 what lindi said would be fine Aug 16 17:00:22 i think its a good way to create these stable/testing/unstable repositories. Aug 16 17:00:23 it's not good if only a few people can hunt bugs and rest can only try premade images Aug 16 17:00:42 * mjr will probably install debian soonish, so I can get something done Aug 16 17:01:09 * lindi- just fixed xserver-xorg-input-tslib to work when rotated Aug 16 17:01:47 yay Aug 16 17:01:55 lindi-: hooray! Aug 16 17:02:16 thumbs up for lindi- (and a kiss from the teacher :)) Aug 16 17:03:05 what i don't like is many people seem to focus on media player, bluetooth, gps... all of this is just useless without good phone support Aug 16 17:03:10 (would like the debian system to have somehow workable sms though) Aug 16 17:04:42 xmpp, I agree with you except for the GPS issue. SOme people, myself included, are more excited about having an easily programmable GPS device than having an easily programmable phone. Aug 16 17:05:19 mjr: it does Aug 16 17:05:43 edistar, okay, just lindi- I think had some problem with that when he showed me Aug 16 17:05:54 but then, debian it is... at least I know how to develop for it ;] Aug 16 17:05:55 well it was marketed as a phone and i bought it for the phone. garmin and tom tom both make good linux based gps. Aug 16 17:06:37 * dottedmag thinks about Slind-based distro for OM, but he busy enough with *one* ebedded distro Aug 16 17:06:44 mjr: i have not tried to debug the sms issue at all since i'm trying to get usable keyboard first Aug 16 17:06:56 so that i can debug without having to be on my PC Aug 16 17:07:17 the input should also be a priority. being a touchscreen only device, both numpad and full keyboard should have been a priority from the beginning, easy accessible and usable from everywhere Aug 16 17:07:36 mjr: btw, the wikidiff "+ * Replace the Android ringtone by a DFSG-fee one, maybe package it separately." is one more reason to use debian :) Aug 16 17:19:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r298 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): clean Aug 16 17:19:38 when opkg install gpsd returns 2 means cant find? Aug 16 17:21:19 zedstar: yeah Aug 16 17:25:48 i just had a weird on on my phone. Half the screen was flickering and all wacked out. restart fixed ti Aug 16 17:44:00 ohh, on /. http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/16/1525258 Aug 16 17:44:12 runner-like calculator from HP maybe ? :) Aug 16 17:46:12 hi Aug 16 17:47:14 I've got a problem with networking on 2007.2 . I can ping ips in the internet but not adresses . does this mean dns is not working properly? Aug 16 17:53:21 jopk: yes Aug 16 17:53:28 check your resolv.conf Aug 16 17:53:41 what is it supposed to contain? Aug 16 17:53:44 for me an ifdown usb0 helped Aug 16 17:54:09 jopk: your dns server (could be your local one too) Aug 16 17:54:29 /etc/resolv.conf Aug 16 17:54:45 ok, does rebooting bring the same effect like ifdown ifup? Aug 16 17:55:03 only for usb0 Aug 16 17:55:24 and rebooting "does" more than ifdown && ifup Aug 16 17:56:46 has anyone here tried the om-locations-map-pack program in 2008.8? it seems to lock my phone up Aug 16 18:15:08 Hey, when will there maybe be a new phone release ? (New hardware and so on? ) Aug 16 18:15:13 New=Better Aug 16 18:16:37 nobody has any clue. I'm guessing next summer. Aug 16 18:19:05 mjr: Fair... Sounds like a good answer... Just tjeckt when the Neo 1973 was released... And that was last summer... So yeah it diffently sounds true :-) Aug 16 18:19:10 So thanks :-) Aug 16 18:19:30 But has the ASU improved the stability of the phone? Aug 16 18:24:27 the 2007.2 has no suspend feature for now, right ? Aug 16 18:24:41 cga, thanks a lot, it works like a charm now :) Aug 16 18:24:50 Deubeuliou, np Aug 16 18:25:01 sorry for all my misunderstandness Aug 16 18:25:07 don't worry Aug 16 18:25:34 il'ì à pas de problem :P Aug 16 18:25:47 \o/ Aug 16 18:26:00 (was that french?) Aug 16 18:26:05 (quite) Aug 16 18:26:10 eh Aug 16 18:26:16 how is the correct form Aug 16 18:26:17 ? Aug 16 18:26:22 c'etait en francais Aug 16 18:26:22 il n'y a pas de problème I'd say Aug 16 18:26:24 but it is totally understable Aug 16 18:26:24 cga Aug 16 18:26:32 Dave, Aug 16 18:26:32 it looks a bit like french but isn't really it cga :p Aug 16 18:26:33 right, Tanuva Aug 16 18:26:35 cga, if you want, msg me what needs fixin' and I'll take a look at it when I can :) Aug 16 18:26:52 Dave, you mean the script? Aug 16 18:27:08 Yes :] Aug 16 18:27:09 Zorkman, eh... i try Aug 16 18:27:14 I have some time today, if you'd like =] Aug 16 18:27:22 i can speak a bit of french but i suck in writing it Aug 16 18:27:26 :P Aug 16 18:27:28 Dave, ok Aug 16 18:27:29 That's okay Aug 16 18:27:29 I'm pretty much satisfied with my image, now. I should back it up :D Aug 16 18:27:32 the french suck anyway :P Aug 16 18:27:33 :D Aug 16 18:28:01 ... Aug 16 18:28:03 Deubeuliou, use our wonderful script!!! XD (and wait for dfu-util bug to be solved) Aug 16 18:28:04 * Deubeuliou puts a baguette in Dave's ass Aug 16 18:28:17 crispy Aug 16 18:28:22 yammy Aug 16 18:28:28 lol Aug 16 18:28:36 see, french can be imaginative Aug 16 18:29:11 [18:51] *** Topic: Nothing to see here, move along - FOSDEM is months away! (*probably* Feb27+28 2009 ) Aug 16 18:29:17 EBADCHAN Aug 16 18:29:21 haha, a goof friend of mine sometimes pretends to speak french, she always says "j'ai deux zizi" es "ceci est un crayon rouge" :) Aug 16 18:29:25 Deubeuliou, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script Aug 16 18:29:27 goof=good :) Aug 16 18:29:35 btw if you want to see OpenMoko at FOSDEM just tell them ;) Aug 16 18:29:38 =dwaas Aug 16 18:29:41 =Zorkman Aug 16 18:29:41 :D Aug 16 18:29:44 http://fosdem.org/2009/brainstorm Aug 16 18:29:59 no, not dwaas, she's actually a really funny girl Aug 16 18:30:08 and she likes FR's :) Aug 16 18:30:18 ok cga Aug 16 18:30:18 labiel? :P Aug 16 18:30:24 yeah, labiel :) Aug 16 18:30:27 XD Aug 16 18:30:46 sh's going to visit cga; she's going on erasmus to italy in a few weeks she leaves, cga can seduce her with his FR Aug 16 18:30:59 o_o Aug 16 18:31:05 I'm gonna worship you. Can I woarsheep you ? Aug 16 18:31:07 what what? Aug 16 18:31:12 sounds bad :P Aug 16 18:31:40 Zorkman, tell me who's her!! Aug 16 18:31:51 Deubeuliou, ? Aug 16 18:32:02 ppl ask me if I'm english, I got 940/990 at TOEIC, yet I'm french Aug 16 18:32:10 AFAIK :) Aug 16 18:32:42 cga, you are my God, from now. My OpenMoko god Aug 16 18:32:43 :p Aug 16 18:33:19 nah i'm not... i'm just a user that likes it and had fun with bash and people in here in the past days Aug 16 18:36:17 cga, my freerunner doesn't have the same usb ID as your oO Aug 16 18:36:28 oh dear Aug 16 18:36:29 Bus 002 Device 025: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network Aug 16 18:36:38 damn you got a broken one Deubeuliou Aug 16 18:36:42 lol Aug 16 18:36:44 /o/ Aug 16 18:36:49 Deubeuliou, you have to boot it in NOR or NAND Aug 16 18:37:16 ah, it shouldn't be booted, then ... okidoki Aug 16 18:38:00 (yeah, of course... since it uses dfu-util ...) Aug 16 18:38:41 anybody in here has a fon router? Aug 16 18:38:56 yes Aug 16 18:39:12 mine is having trouble, btw ... public signal is down :S Aug 16 18:39:36 is it a fonero or a fonero+ ? Aug 16 18:39:47 and is the range adequate (compared with other routers) Aug 16 18:40:04 omg... Input/output error on my 2Gig SanDisk SD Card... damn... Aug 16 18:40:14 regular fonera. and it's range is better then my adsl box Aug 16 18:40:46 do you use it also to sell wifi acces? Aug 16 18:41:15 not yet ... and where I live, I have quite no chance to have someone connected on it ^^ Aug 16 18:41:27 I understand :) Aug 16 18:41:46 but it still permits me to connect everywhere :D Aug 16 18:41:47 hi all Aug 16 18:42:03 someone using debian on fr? Aug 16 18:42:31 me and my gf are going to move to an appartement, and I will need a router, if i can make here believe we might even make money of of it it will be easier :p Aug 16 18:42:37 yes Aug 16 18:42:39 (jsut kidding, it seems to be very cheap :)) Aug 16 18:42:45 ll mmaestri Aug 16 18:43:07 Deubeuliou: can you send me an invite? i have another friend who has one, but i can't reach him atm Aug 16 18:43:20 Deubeuliou: do you use a fontenna also? Aug 16 18:43:29 i've just did a bash script to convert ipk files to deb Aug 16 18:44:04 ok Zorkman. No, I don't have an antenna Aug 16 18:44:10 uh, fontenna Aug 16 18:44:25 sne dme your email by notice or PPM Aug 16 18:44:26 PM Aug 16 18:44:43 mmaestri: wouldn't it be easier to package them normally? Aug 16 18:44:44 s/sne dme/send me/ Aug 16 18:44:45 it has a few glitches, but basic functionality works Aug 16 18:45:11 lindi-: and how would be that? Aug 16 18:45:26 mmaestri: i can teach you create debian packages Aug 16 18:46:06 mmaestri: tar xzvf foo-1.23.tar.gz && cd foo-1.23 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i ../foo*.deb is the basic template Aug 16 18:48:02 ow, si bad ... the only choices are krypton, elmer fudd or bork bork bork ... Aug 16 18:48:27 thanks Deubeuliou! Aug 16 18:48:30 Zorkman, sent. I go to eat Aug 16 18:48:36 mmaestri: feel free to ask for more info Aug 16 18:49:02 np Zorkman. :) Aug 16 18:50:03 lindi-: so if I have an ipk package meant to work on any of the openmoko 'distros' (namely fso, 2007.2, 2008.8, etc) Aug 16 18:50:32 and want to put it on debian Aug 16 18:50:38 navit, for example Aug 16 18:50:53 what do you recommend as steps to follow? Aug 16 18:53:51 lindi-: are you there? Aug 16 18:54:04 yes Aug 16 18:54:17 working out the dependencies Aug 16 18:54:36 lindi-: on navit? Aug 16 18:54:53 /home/lindi/debian/debian-navit/navit-0.0.4/src/binding/python/binding_python.c:219: undefined reference to `mapset_add' Aug 16 18:56:46 :) Aug 16 18:58:13 * cga is listening to The Incredible String Band - This Moment - Album: I Looked Up Aug 16 18:59:48 lindi-: i was trying to figure out a way to use existing ipk packages on debian. the only caveat i've found was that ipk packages depend on other ipk packages that don't have same name as deb packages Aug 16 18:59:52 i thing Aug 16 19:00:02 s/g/k/ Aug 16 19:00:02 mmaestri meant: i think Aug 16 19:00:08 mmaestri: but if you can't even build them how would anybody debug them? Aug 16 19:00:48 yes apt, i think ;) Aug 16 19:01:45 does anyone have a solution/file that solves the echoes and audio problems when calling???? please thanks Aug 16 19:01:50 lindi-: i can build them, or at least it seems so Aug 16 19:01:54 (a link would be fine too) Aug 16 19:01:59 mmaestri: any idea why it fails here like that? Aug 16 19:02:07 i'll document the steps soon Aug 16 19:05:06 lindi-: i haven't tried to compile it, i was just messing with existing ipk packages. i'll try to build from source and see what happens Aug 16 19:05:51 mmaestri: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/navit.txt Aug 16 19:06:30 Zorkman: meer spelen!! Aug 16 19:08:02 Dave, meer sprungen! Aug 16 19:08:52 llo dave Aug 16 19:09:47 we're waiting for you @ #openmoko-offtopic Aug 16 19:10:40 i made my first usb-hub device :) Aug 16 19:11:12 there should be a #openmoko-scandinavia Aug 16 19:11:37 mmm...fresh brunch with ingredients from the co-op and my garden! I'm stuffed! time to sit outside with a cigar and my FR Aug 16 19:11:39 do you know that manyblond round-chested girls that like FR'? :) Aug 16 19:13:24 I get the feeling that the FreRunner battery is somhow compadible/equal to a Nokia BL-5C battery? Aug 16 19:13:35 Kagee: it says so on the wiki Aug 16 19:13:59 i'm just reading getting started right now. Says where? Aug 16 19:14:11 sec, i'll search Aug 16 19:14:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Aug 16 19:14:40 o, i just found that link Aug 16 19:14:42 faster, faster, faster hihihi:-P Aug 16 19:14:59 Arcnet is defying the laws of physics with his speed :) Aug 16 19:15:23 btw: welcome to our FR-club (since you're just getting started) Aug 16 19:16:45 :-( I'll get my phone tuesday at the earliest Aug 16 19:17:14 ah-ah! (quote nelson) Aug 16 19:18:27 don't worry Kagee , we'll leave some bugs left for you to fix ;-) Aug 16 19:19:12 Thanks :) What's up with the «DO NOT USE buildhost...» message? Aug 16 19:19:23 :) Aug 16 19:19:31 you can use buildhost, but you won't get ASU/2008. Aug 16 19:19:36 *ASU/2008.8 Aug 16 19:19:46 you'll get a funky image, but it's not that bad :) Aug 16 19:19:55 2007.2 images are also still hosted at buildhost Aug 16 19:20:43 Kagee, keep 2007.2 in NAND and others in SD if you want to try them... so you have at least a working phone and can choose between other OSes Aug 16 19:22:28 Is it so that i can play with 2007.2 when i'm home, and boot i.e Qutopia (SD) if i actually need the phone? Aug 16 19:22:34 jup Aug 16 19:22:57 although installing qtopia is more difficult on the sd than 2007.2 or 2008.8 Aug 16 19:23:20 i would recommend qtopia on flash and the other OS on flash then Aug 16 19:23:21 Kagee, well i use 2007.2 as phone and apart for some annoying echo it works pretty well Aug 16 19:23:42 cga: you can dimminuish the echo by setting the volume lower Aug 16 19:23:45 lindi-: the error refers to mapset.h Aug 16 19:23:53 *fast forwarding to tuesday* Aug 16 19:24:06 Zorkman, which volume? have a link? (i'm searching the wiki) Aug 16 19:24:27 which is in src directory Aug 16 19:24:47 * lpotter doesnt recommend running anything from sd Aug 16 19:24:48 i found it once while playing with the alsamixer.... Aug 16 19:25:20 eh which set? XD Aug 16 19:25:54 * mmaestri wonders why lpotter says so Aug 16 19:26:07 btw cga: did you change /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state (mic2 value) Aug 16 19:26:15 Zorkman, yes Aug 16 19:26:38 mmaestri, lpotter: i have never had problems with running from SD, only once 2008.8 wouldn't bnot (i think it corrupted the sd) Aug 16 19:28:26 Zorkman, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_mixer_settings Aug 16 19:28:29 \0/ Aug 16 19:30:12 those setting make it better, but a friend of mime still complains because of poor quality :( Aug 16 19:30:36 arf Aug 16 19:30:45 yeah i also used them, but my gf doesn't like calling when my sim is i nthe FR :( Aug 16 19:30:55 i'll be happy if they can get me rid of the echo Aug 16 19:31:03 no echo here Aug 16 19:31:25 Zorkman, would you pass me you *.state? Aug 16 19:31:31 *your Aug 16 19:31:31 No echo here as well, but buzzing and such Aug 16 19:31:40 here only echoes Aug 16 19:32:07 i'm still waiting for someone to make a voice-deformer :) Aug 16 19:32:39 You can use Mic2 and the mixer right of Mic2 to adjust it (you should call someone else while adjusting it and do NOT forget to save you setting back to the state file :-D) Aug 16 19:32:58 At least that solved echo for me Aug 16 19:33:16 eh Aug 16 19:33:46 what? hat? at? at? t? Aug 16 19:35:30 argh, kernel panic! Aug 16 19:35:55 mmmmm kernel pancake Aug 16 19:36:12 that's one of the few things I did not have yet Aug 16 19:36:29 It\s not that great actually Aug 16 19:37:00 yeah, what did you do? or was it just random? Aug 16 19:38:25 well, it all started when I messed up my installation of debian Aug 16 19:39:21 I love pancake's Aug 16 19:39:22 Zorkman, would you *please* pass me your *.state? i want to vimdiff/try them Aug 16 19:39:46 somehow, the automatic install script failed to realize I had set the SD_PART1_FS to vfat Aug 16 19:40:10 ok, np cga Aug 16 19:40:14 "no problem", I thought in my folly Aug 16 19:40:21 but i don't know if i didn't play with it and save it since i used it :p Aug 16 19:40:32 arf Aug 16 19:40:41 do you experience echoes? Aug 16 19:41:51 any news concerning the "loose of partition table" bug? Aug 16 19:43:13 Zorkman, try again please Aug 16 19:43:23 one thing led to another, and I decided to manually upload the uboot-env, edit it in nano and download it again Aug 16 19:43:23 is uboot 1.3.2 good enough to boot 2008.08 from flash and the debian one from SDcard? Aug 16 19:43:41 * LetoTo prefers not to update uboot if not really needed Aug 16 19:43:44 that was stupid Aug 16 19:43:48 cga: http://pastebin.com/m42c949a5 Aug 16 19:43:53 no echo's Aug 16 19:43:58 cool thanks Aug 16 19:44:05 LetoTo: If you set SD_PART1_FS=vfat it is ok Aug 16 19:45:09 Zorkman, ?_? is that a .state? Aug 16 19:46:16 cga: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmw1fi Aug 16 19:46:50 thanks Zorkman Aug 16 19:47:25 np Aug 16 19:49:23 ^_^ Aug 16 19:49:38 zorkman!? Aug 16 19:50:06 yeah dave? Aug 16 19:50:58 ping lindi- Aug 16 19:53:02 where do I report problems with packages (in this case an empty package) in the daily-feed? Aug 16 19:53:29 bugtracker? Aug 16 19:53:52 Ok Aug 16 19:54:23 Zorkman, the file get borked on the web -.- Aug 16 19:55:22 hahah. a pair of boots :) Aug 16 19:55:24 Zorkman, try to gzip it and send it/put it somewhere Aug 16 19:55:29 k Aug 16 19:55:52 luckily enough i always backup first! Aug 16 19:56:10 haha. a pair of boots while booting :) Aug 16 19:56:20 I also get psychedelic colors from u-boot -_- Aug 16 19:56:53 cga: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1267/gsmhandset.state Aug 16 19:57:17 lindi-: did you figured out how to compile it? Aug 16 19:57:19 ArteK, thanks! Aug 16 19:57:26 cga: np Aug 16 19:58:09 also which package should I install to get the full white keyboard in Om2007.02 ? Aug 16 19:58:40 Nuitari, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Aug 16 19:59:02 cga : http://www.turboupload.com/download/u21jq8WT2GVm/gsmhandset.rar Aug 16 19:59:07 cga: thanks! Aug 16 19:59:43 dave: i'm watchin ARD at the moment :):) Aug 16 19:59:46 2008.08 has no software fix for TTFF ? Aug 16 20:00:05 germans are once again performing crazy schlagers on telefivion in a big room filled with old people :) Aug 16 20:00:17 LetoTo: the fixes are in the kernel Aug 16 20:01:07 where are the germans now? and are they not ashamed? Aug 16 20:01:16 ^^ Aug 16 20:03:23 don't mention the war! Aug 16 20:03:29 :) Aug 16 20:03:57 anyone seriously bored who has a working gpsd wanna try out some software? Aug 16 20:03:58 you started it! Aug 16 20:04:24 zedstar_: sure, as long as it is foolproof :) Aug 16 20:04:33 I wish I was bored Aug 16 20:04:50 mmaestri: yes Aug 16 20:04:52 zorkman ah it is a bit ghetto to setup right now but if u can use the command line it is okay ;) Aug 16 20:05:20 if you tell me what to type, np :) Aug 16 20:05:28 * Arcnet is german, but instead of viewing ARD I'm listening Blind Guardian right now ;-) Aug 16 20:05:39 zorkman u got a freerunner? first need to get some ipks Aug 16 20:05:46 Arcnet: ARD is just too funny atm :p Aug 16 20:07:08 yeah i've got a gta02v5, 2007.2 installed on flash and 2008.080.13 on rootfs Aug 16 20:07:15 bring on the ipks Aug 16 20:07:38 zorkman ok cool.... http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=136 Aug 16 20:07:58 which one do i need to install? Aug 16 20:08:01 all three? Aug 16 20:08:08 zorkman first see if those 3 ipks on there will install....i not tried on a freerunner i got a 1973 yeh the 3 of em Aug 16 20:09:34 More gamen! Aug 16 20:09:45 ze freerunner, she needs more power! Aug 16 20:10:26 she can't take anymore cp'tain! Aug 16 20:10:46 Dave: the freerunner needs a faster nand Aug 16 20:11:07 ipk's are installed zedstar_ Aug 16 20:12:04 we need some fuel cell or solar panels as case :D Aug 16 20:12:31 zorkman ok cool...there is a db file that need to be put on the machine which is erm in cvs for some reason but anywhere here http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmcvs/cvsweb.php/thumbtribes_project/misc/?cvsroot=thumbtribes Aug 16 20:12:48 zorkman the btlog.db file can u put in /var/lib/misc Aug 16 20:13:24 done Aug 16 20:13:36 zorkman can u see if btlogger is working just run btlogger -v Aug 16 20:13:57 zorkman or turn bluetooth on Aug 16 20:13:59 how do i check if it works? Aug 16 20:14:03 root@om-gta02:/var/lib/misc# btlogger -v Aug 16 20:14:04 btlogger:main: opening database: /var/lib/misc/btlog.db Aug 16 20:14:12 it failed to discover devices Aug 16 20:14:14 zorkman ok it will scan in 20 seconds or something Aug 16 20:14:19 looks right Aug 16 20:14:31 zorkman ok...cool that just logs any bt devices to the db Aug 16 20:14:37 i have a ps3 that i won but haven't used, that has a bt controller i think Aug 16 20:15:11 zorkman ok need a dbus service file in place on that last link there is org.zedstar.Thumbtribes.service need to put that in hang on... Aug 16 20:15:55 zorkman in /usr/share/dbus-1/services Aug 16 20:16:26 done Aug 16 20:16:53 zorkman ok cool...u can stop that btlogger...and manually id my bt mac address your database using... Aug 16 20:17:29 no disrespect but what do i have to do?? i stopped scanning Aug 16 20:18:07 btlogger -i 00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 -n zedstar Aug 16 20:18:12 btw i get Failed to discover devices: Method "DiscoverDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist Aug 16 20:18:14 when i scan Aug 16 20:18:24 zorkman u didnt turn bt on i guess Aug 16 20:18:33 zorkman anyway dont need it right now Aug 16 20:18:34 i'll search the wiki how to do that Aug 16 20:18:44 zorkman i u manually add me Aug 16 20:19:41 root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# btlogger:main: added id:00:0D:3C:38:11 Aug 16 20:19:41 :D6 name:zedstar Aug 16 20:19:41 -sh: btlogger:main:: not found Aug 16 20:19:41 root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# btlogger -i 00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 -n zedst Aug 16 20:19:41 ar Aug 16 20:19:42 SQL error: (null) Aug 16 20:19:44 btlogger:main: added id:00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 name:zedstar Aug 16 20:21:04 zorkman hmm ok not sure that...can see if u can run thumbtribes on the device itself in a terminal Aug 16 20:22:35 btw: i did manually turn on bluetooth (echo 1 thingy) but still get "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist Aug 16 20:23:13 how do i manually run thumtribes? Aug 16 20:23:28 zorkman u got a terminal on your neo? Aug 16 20:23:47 sure Aug 16 20:24:06 zorkman just enter thumbtribes that shud start the dbus daemon and return to the prompt Aug 16 20:24:30 (hehe, i did that but with a typo) Aug 16 20:24:39 it says it is ready Aug 16 20:25:21 zorkman btw if u run hictool dev does it give your mac address/ Aug 16 20:25:43 on the neo or ssh'd? Aug 16 20:25:51 zorkman u can do it over ssh Aug 16 20:26:11 -sh: hictool: not found Aug 16 20:26:22 zorkman opps hcitool i meant Aug 16 20:26:39 -sh: opps: not found Aug 16 20:26:44 (i'm probably very stupid, sorry :)) Aug 16 20:26:50 ah Aug 16 20:26:51 i get it :) Aug 16 20:26:56 zorkman dont worry Aug 16 20:27:03 root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# hcitool dev Aug 16 20:27:03 Devices: Aug 16 20:27:45 zorkman ok your bt is definately not up it shud give the mac address of the device...anyway.. Aug 16 20:28:16 zorkman on the device can u try and run thumbclient -i foo Aug 16 20:28:27 i did echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on Aug 16 20:28:48 zorkman on the 1973 i just turn on bt from the panel icon Aug 16 20:28:56 zorkman not sure how it differs on freerunner Aug 16 20:29:12 i also turned it on on the panel.... Aug 16 20:29:38 wait! i've got it Aug 16 20:29:47 needed to echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset Aug 16 20:30:34 zorkman does hcitool dev give the id now? Aug 16 20:30:52 jup Aug 16 20:31:00 it show up as hci0 Aug 16 20:31:11 zorkman ok try btlogger -v now to see if that works Aug 16 20:32:30 it seems to work zedstar_: btlogger:main: opening database: /var/lib/misc/btlog.db Aug 16 20:32:30 btlogger:discovery_started: Aug 16 20:32:30 btlogger:discovery_completed: Aug 16 20:32:45 zorkman ok is working but u not got any bt devices around Aug 16 20:33:01 but i have my ps3 controller right next to it..that should be bluetooth... Aug 16 20:33:21 zorkman it broadcast itself? Aug 16 20:34:11 don't know.. supposed it did Aug 16 20:34:18 zorkman anyway can u on the device try and run thumbclient -i Aug 16 20:34:32 i have a phone now near it Aug 16 20:34:42 it works Aug 16 20:34:47 btlogger:remote_name_updated: 00:1E:3B:16:E6:BD, Nokia 2630 Aug 16 20:35:09 zorkman ok cool...all btlogger does it log anything it sees to that db Aug 16 20:35:30 btw zedstar_: can't i DISPLAY=:0 it instead of typing on the phone? Aug 16 20:36:11 zorkman sure.......just ssh in running dbus daemons had some issues Aug 16 20:36:16 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r7b1b64007cbb 10/illume/illume/ (25 files): illume-theme: Sync theme with upstream illume. Add pixmaps for busywin. Aug 16 20:36:16 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r1e497e1b9f2e 10/illume-config/ (e.src module.battery.src module.illume.src): Aug 16 20:36:16 freesmartphone.org: illume-config: Upstream version of the illume config files. Need to adjust to Aug 16 20:36:17 freesmartphone.org: FSO needs Aug 16 20:36:50 (do i type hci0 or the mac adres?) Aug 16 20:37:00 zorkman the mac address Aug 16 20:39:05 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r028de6a7036b 10/illume-config/e.src: illume-config: Disable clock module Aug 16 20:39:11 ok i did that Aug 16 20:39:24 it says thumbclient: Starting main loop. Aug 16 20:39:43 trying to g et coordinates from gpsd, and then it says it failed Aug 16 20:39:48 zorkman ok great....it will try and ping in if it reads coordinates from gpsd but i guess u not got signal Aug 16 20:40:19 zorkman u able to get a fix by any chance? Aug 16 20:40:50 i'll open agpsui and try to get a fix Aug 16 20:41:07 zorkman ok cool...if not it is possible to manually send some Aug 16 20:44:05 mmm agps-ui always hangs Aug 16 20:44:38 zorkman on the thumbclient is saying it ping in cordinates? Aug 16 20:45:22 (i stopped the thumbclient because it interferrend with agps-ui, i'm going to try to get a fix and then re-run the script) Aug 16 20:47:15 zorkman ok u will need to issue a disconnect to the daemon but just kill -9 thumbtribes and start it again quicker Aug 16 20:47:59 hmph, FSO 2 is throwing away my saved contacts at reboot :( Aug 16 20:48:17 ok i got a fix will try the program again Aug 16 20:48:31 zorkman killall -9 thumbtribes and start it again Aug 16 20:48:39 zorkman the run the thumbclient again Aug 16 20:54:36 now i get another error: Failed to get the primary well-known name. (requestName result!=1) Aug 16 20:55:45 zorkman can u kill the thumbtribes process? Aug 16 20:56:34 did it :) Aug 16 20:56:38 and now it seems to work Aug 16 20:56:47 :ready to server requests (daemonizing) Aug 16 20:57:02 zorkman ok u can run thumbclient again Aug 16 20:57:09 on the phone? Aug 16 20:58:17 zorkman yeh i think dbus doesnt like it over ssh Aug 16 20:58:27 when i run it on the phone i get an error, it seems to require a mac adres Aug 16 20:58:49 zorkman yeh u need to specify -i and your mac address like before Aug 16 20:58:55 k Aug 16 20:59:17 starting main loop Aug 16 20:59:42 * Zorkman is getting curious what this thing is gonna do :p Aug 16 21:00:05 it gets the gps data Aug 16 21:00:15 then ping count=2 Aug 16 21:00:22 then SQL error: no such table: log Aug 16 21:00:23 zorkman ok great... Aug 16 21:00:40 so can you now send the feds to my house? :p Aug 16 21:00:58 hehe, zedstar_ will take over the world with our phones - all hail zedstar_, master of all mokos! Aug 16 21:01:01 zorkman ok...something up with the db.....it is seeing 2 others users thopugh which si good Aug 16 21:02:18 zorkman that db file can u copy it on to your linux box and we see whats in it Aug 16 21:03:11 which one? Aug 16 21:03:28 zorkman i getting your distance reading on the server which is cool u about 300kms from me Aug 16 21:03:37 nice :) Aug 16 21:03:46 zorkman /var/lib/misc/btlog.db Aug 16 21:03:54 but why the hell do you need bluetooth for that? :) Aug 16 21:04:42 zorkman oh the bt part is u learn users automatically then stalk them ;) Aug 16 21:04:42 zorkman oh the bt part is u learn users automatically u come in contact with then u stalk them ;) Aug 16 21:04:44 zedstar_: it's empty Aug 16 21:05:13 zorkman i think that db file is corrupt can make on on desktop Aug 16 21:05:42 i nano'd it on the FR Aug 16 21:05:56 but there is another file: Aug 16 21:06:17 btlog.db?cvsroot=thumbtribes Aug 16 21:06:30 maybe there is a problem in your script? Aug 16 21:06:42 zorkman i think it wasnt saved right...it shud be a sqlite db file Aug 16 21:07:02 the file btlog.db?cvsroot=thumbtribes does have input Aug 16 21:07:39 zorkman btlog.db shud be a sqlite file...u got sqlite3 on your pc? Aug 16 21:07:48 nope Aug 16 21:08:03 (currently windows still booted... need solidworks a lot lately) Aug 16 21:08:36 zorkman i think saving that file from cvs messed it up cos supposed to be a binary db file Aug 16 21:08:49 zorkman so u not access to linux other than phone? Aug 16 21:09:14 yes i am ssh'd in to the phone and also have scp acces Aug 16 21:09:32 zorkman can u install sqlite on your box/ Aug 16 21:09:56 zorkman actually ill just put a new db file up for u to download is easier Aug 16 21:10:16 ok, whatever suits you, i acn also send you that file i have Aug 16 21:10:45 my phone won't boot :( Aug 16 21:10:53 zorkman givus a sec ill add my id Aug 16 21:10:59 np Aug 16 21:11:07 i'll go get something to drink and stuff my pipe Aug 16 21:13:40 what om software version comes with the freerunner ? Aug 16 21:13:49 2007.2 Aug 16 21:14:02 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update Aug 16 21:14:02 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Aug 16 21:14:02 Inflating http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Aug 16 21:14:02 Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/daily-Multiverse Aug 16 21:14:02 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig Aug 16 21:14:03 Signature check failed Aug 16 21:14:05 hmm :) Aug 16 21:14:19 tht's normal Aug 16 21:14:28 no it is not :) Aug 16 21:14:32 thanks ajbrun Aug 16 21:14:43 zorkman ok...http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/313/btlog.db Aug 16 21:14:46 it also aborts on it :P Aug 16 21:14:50 signatures are not yet implementen LetoTo Aug 16 21:14:55 zorkman stick that on in /var/lib/misc Aug 16 21:15:00 k Aug 16 21:15:50 zorkman kill the thumbtribes and thumbclient and try again shud work then! Aug 16 21:16:23 so then it shouldnt check them, and fail on using opkg update? Aug 16 21:16:56 so how does one disable these signatures? Aug 16 21:19:31 oh i see. i should ignore it i think Aug 16 21:19:40 zedstar_: i get Thumbtribes not provided by any .Service files Aug 16 21:19:42 its not a fatal error. its not clear from the error message Aug 16 21:19:46 need to add you again? Aug 16 21:20:14 zorkman can u run thumbtribes manually Aug 16 21:20:21 what are my options if my FR won't boot? I have it plugged into the wall and nothing's happening Aug 16 21:20:22 oh, my fso2 wont actually wake up from sleep when called Aug 16 21:20:36 i'm running i manually Aug 16 21:21:28 zorkman on device itself if just run the thumbclient it shud start that up if the service file still there Aug 16 21:21:45 oh, its sleeping again ?! Aug 16 21:22:21 zedstar_: i'm running thumbtribes on the phone (i type it in the terminal) Aug 16 21:22:28 *thumbclient i meant :) Aug 16 21:22:38 should first run thumbtribes i guess :) sec Aug 16 21:23:46 ok, "we got signal" :) Aug 16 21:24:09 does om2008.8 already have the gps fix in-kernel? Aug 16 21:24:24 yes Aug 16 21:24:46 and congratz on the most dutch nick :) Aug 16 21:25:17 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r551dd7dc53f0 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume-theme: Remove flaunch Aug 16 21:27:06 works now Aug 16 21:27:08 and tnx :) Aug 16 21:27:31 is it possible to sync the time with gps? Aug 16 21:27:50 sure, anything is possible Aug 16 21:27:53 yes, gpssight can do that Aug 16 21:28:05 but gpssight doesn't work well on my OS for the moment Aug 16 21:28:22 haha Aug 16 21:28:23 zedstar Aug 16 21:28:30 you are 321.586 km away :) Aug 16 21:28:42 zorkman cool u getting the notifications sweet Aug 16 21:28:44 someone else (Bluez) is closer :) Aug 16 21:28:52 how do i set my name? Aug 16 21:28:58 (how do you see my device?) Aug 16 21:29:05 zorkman well it just uses your bluetooth broadcast name Aug 16 21:29:31 zorkman so it learns it when u come in contact with people Aug 16 21:29:54 zorkman thanks very much for testing....i owe u a beer Aug 16 21:30:01 how do i change my broadcast name? Aug 16 21:30:13 np zedstar_, thanks for programming this Aug 16 21:30:21 and about that beer: i'll know how to find you :p ;) Aug 16 21:30:25 zorkman.....hmm good question.....on the neo im not sure lol Aug 16 21:30:47 zorkman but generally u can set it to something offensive ! Aug 16 21:30:57 nice way to play hide and seek :) Aug 16 21:31:19 zorkman i wanna add moods to it set via accelometers....eg shake a lot for horny Aug 16 21:31:27 :d:d:d Aug 16 21:31:37 btw: sometimes you're 2km closer :s Aug 16 21:31:43 some glitches in gps perhaps Aug 16 21:31:54 zorkman oh no that one is running a gpsfake log Aug 16 21:31:58 does gps work with 2007.2 Aug 16 21:32:04 zorkman some journey around london i thnk Aug 16 21:32:26 lloyd_fedora: it works fine Aug 16 21:32:48 zorkman really appreciate the time to test cos i dont own a freerunner yet so no idea how it would install etc Aug 16 21:33:04 zorkman i need to write a panel applet to control the lot so no command line crap Aug 16 21:33:11 what exactly is openmoko and neo-freerunner, quick explanation? Aug 16 21:33:11 np zedstar; its a nice break from my usual work :) Aug 16 21:33:46 DemisM: openmoko is the company, that made two phone sofar: the neo1973, codename gta01, and the Freerunner, codename gta02 Aug 16 21:33:51 a free smartphone operating system and a phone made to run it, respectively Aug 16 21:34:01 DemisM: it is an openphone; software AND ardware Aug 16 21:34:07 zorkman basically tho it is very light weight this and uses very little network connection so works well over gprs etc Aug 16 21:34:32 i like it zedstar_, it works :-D Aug 16 21:35:04 zorkman thanks.....part of my social experiments software ;) Aug 16 21:35:54 cool thanks Aug 16 21:36:07 where can i check the list of software available for 2007.2 Aug 16 21:36:59 zorkman i will try and explain it better on the wiki section http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=136&type=g Aug 16 21:38:10 time for more beer Aug 16 21:38:31 looks nicelly documented Aug 16 21:38:54 zedstar_ if you're in belgium i'll give you one of our beersn better than those english ones ;) Aug 16 21:39:20 zorkman cheers! Aug 16 21:39:29 cheers Aug 16 21:39:46 gona smoke my pipe and then hit the sack, a lot of work tomorrow :( Aug 16 21:39:59 first order my fonero+ and fontenna Aug 16 21:40:07 zorkman enjoy.....and cheers mate Aug 16 21:42:09 I don't have any virtual keyboard anymore ... I installed the matchbox one but it was breaking everything so I removed it and brought multitap-pad back... and I can't have it popped ... Aug 16 21:44:29 slightly ot: is there some program (maybe even kmail?) that can send raw emails generated by reportbug? Aug 16 21:49:04 do you know how I can bring multitap-pad back ? Aug 16 21:49:38 did you search the wiki Deubeuliou? Aug 16 21:49:44 yeap Aug 16 21:49:53 opkg remove matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod matchbox-keyboard-im matchbox-keyboard-applet Aug 16 21:49:53 opkg install multitap-pad Aug 16 21:49:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards Aug 16 21:50:12 I can manually lauch it Aug 16 21:50:15 via ssh Aug 16 21:52:40 did you restart your phone? (or x) Aug 16 21:53:04 yes Aug 16 21:53:10 x Aug 16 21:53:16 well, both Aug 16 21:56:09 malik1972: hail! Aug 16 21:56:11 hmmm: when opening a directory with 5 phot's in gpe-gallery: phone memory full Aug 16 21:56:22 ^^ Aug 16 21:57:02 benlake: hi Aug 16 21:58:48 malik1972: I haven't had an opportunity to check my SD card, but do you really think it is bad? Aug 16 22:00:36 is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? Aug 16 22:00:44 benlake: to be honest i dont know Aug 16 22:07:23 malik1972: perhaps the boot log will tell me something Aug 16 22:09:10 benlake: you say that there is no sd device Aug 16 22:09:12 ??? Aug 16 22:11:37 malik1972: that is what this says: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396 Aug 16 22:11:51 malik1972: no mmcblk0 Aug 16 22:14:03 hmm, where might the boot log be? Aug 16 22:14:54 dmesg Aug 16 22:15:46 dmesg isn't a bootlog, it's kernel messages Aug 16 22:16:15 dmesg is full of this stuff: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#2 Aug 16 22:16:56 ieatlint: is there a system/messages log? only thing I see in /var/log is wtmp Aug 16 22:17:04 ieatlint: but, dmesg outputs the same stuff that scrolls by the screen when a linux system starts up Aug 16 22:17:19 hmm /var/log/boot.msg Aug 16 22:17:32 benlake: /var/log/messages is where the ation's at Aug 16 22:17:36 +c Aug 16 22:17:45 zash, it prints the kernel messages, yes Aug 16 22:17:46 zash: I got nothing Aug 16 22:17:52 but not everything from boot Aug 16 22:18:05 it won't show you anything from init unless it pulls a kernel message Aug 16 22:18:24 and no, none of the OM images keep the messages file Aug 16 22:18:26 ieatlint: is there even a real bootlog Aug 16 22:18:40 ieatlint: well that explains why I don't have one :P Aug 16 22:18:45 pcf50633 is the power management chip Aug 16 22:19:32 ensure you have a current kernel, and perhaps a recent (~august) uboot Aug 16 22:20:20 ieatlint: I know I don't have a current kernel. I have what I was shipped Aug 16 22:20:35 ieatlint: this all started because I wanted to try the Qtopia stack Aug 16 22:20:51 so use the kernel qtopia comes with Aug 16 22:21:07 the instruction tell me to put it on the cf card :P Aug 16 22:21:07 benlake: what problems are you having with qtopia? Aug 16 22:21:25 what instructions? Aug 16 22:21:31 SUNWjoejaxx: none yet, haven't been in a position to boot it Aug 16 22:21:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Installing_Qtopia Aug 16 22:21:37 oh, are you trying to install qtopia onto the sd? Aug 16 22:21:42 aye Aug 16 22:21:44 was.. Aug 16 22:21:56 apparently that isn't going to be the case Aug 16 22:22:25 oh Aug 16 22:22:29 should I upgrade to 2008 first? Aug 16 22:22:37 try upgrading u-boot Aug 16 22:22:38 then maybe I'll have SD card? Aug 16 22:22:46 a lot of fixes were applied in july Aug 16 22:22:52 yeah Aug 16 22:22:58 instructions? Aug 16 22:23:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND Aug 16 22:24:13 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr68+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin Aug 16 22:24:30 not as hard as it looks Aug 16 22:24:35 and you cannot brick your freerunner Aug 16 22:24:47 if it screws up, simply start again Aug 16 22:24:55 u need to do it about 5 times Aug 16 22:25:03 ieatlint: so this isn't what I want? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin Aug 16 22:25:17 that's fine too Aug 16 22:25:26 how can i get the gestures to work? event2 seems not to be present Aug 16 22:25:26 gonna hit the sack, goodnight everyone Aug 16 22:25:26 the one i posted is newer, but that's new enough Aug 16 22:25:28 the later the better Aug 16 22:25:37 nite zorkman Aug 16 22:26:34 to install a u boot u have to hold the power button then the aux button to get to nand Aug 16 22:27:25 uh, no Aug 16 22:27:30 you upgrade uboot from nor Aug 16 22:27:34 aux button then power Aug 16 22:28:24 it will likely work from nand, but the chance of problems is greater (and if nand's u-boot does fuck up, you then have to use nor... simpler to just use nor from the start) Aug 16 22:28:28 im confused i guess Aug 16 22:28:54 hehe, it's all confusing Aug 16 22:29:55 are there md5sums for those files? Aug 16 22:30:39 oddly no Aug 16 22:32:25 i added some Aug 16 22:32:38 is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? Aug 16 22:32:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting#Log_into_U-Boot_in_the_NAND_Flash Aug 16 22:33:02 yup i was Aug 16 22:33:15 deever, the same way you do it in the other OM images Aug 16 22:34:24 ok, i'm off to a soccer game, cya all Aug 16 22:34:42 cya thanks Aug 16 22:34:45 When flashing the device via USB connection, you must choose Set console to USB by pressing the AUX Aug 16 22:34:57 i have not done this Aug 16 22:39:54 what are my options if my FR won't boot? I have it plugged into the wall and nothing's happening Aug 16 22:40:12 awww c'mon: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 Aug 16 22:40:54 the FR says ""End of write exceeds partition end" Aug 16 22:41:14 ieatlint: qtopia assert the occurrence of an "eth0" iface... Aug 16 22:42:17 the problem is that i have to set an ip address, 192.168.0.202 or so is not configured Aug 16 22:42:39 ajbrun: cry? Aug 16 22:42:47 ajbrun: more significantly. Aug 16 22:43:00 well, i mean what's the best course of action? Aug 16 22:43:05 could the battery be fried? Aug 16 22:43:12 ajbrun: have you tried removing battery, leaving for 5 mins, (with USB out), then puttin gin battery and USB? Aug 16 22:43:23 i tried for about 1 min Aug 16 22:43:30 1 should be OK Aug 16 22:43:41 You don't happen to have a DMM do you? Aug 16 22:43:49 what's that? Aug 16 22:43:59 ajbrun: digital multimeter Aug 16 22:44:06 nab: I guess not. Aug 16 22:44:12 ajb: Aug 16 22:44:23 why are the uboot images too big for my NOR ;( Aug 16 22:45:01 best thing i can think of is to get a new battery to try? Aug 16 22:45:08 ajbrun: I'd try leaving it on charge for a couple of hours. Aug 16 22:45:26 left it charging for about 1 Aug 16 22:45:32 :/ Aug 16 22:45:49 it#s probably been this way for about a week now, but i've not had chance to properly look at it until now Aug 16 22:45:52 Heya Aug 16 22:45:54 Sorry, no good ideas. Aug 16 22:46:04 kk - i'll try getting a new battery then Aug 16 22:46:43 SpeedEvil, you might be able to answer this better than some people: Why don't we use Debian as a base for FSO/SHR instead of OE? Aug 16 22:47:15 Sargun: I have no idea. Perhaps debian doesn't easily support cross-compiles? Aug 16 22:47:23 Perhaps. Aug 16 22:47:54 OE is a cluster fuck though Aug 16 22:48:00 great, Google says no one has received this dfu-util error message Aug 16 22:48:10 benlake, what message? Aug 16 22:48:12 benlake: You're special! Aug 16 22:48:23 Sargun, What do you find wrong with OE? Aug 16 22:48:26 SpeedEvil: I like it, really, but I wish there were cake :) Aug 16 22:48:36 Sargun: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 Aug 16 22:49:08 KenYoung, Its a pain to build with. Aug 16 22:49:10 "dpkg-cross is a tool for installing libraries and headers for cross compiling in a way similar to dpkg. Supports enhanced functionality of 'dpkg-buildpackage -a' when cross ▒ Aug 16 22:49:14 compiling." Aug 16 22:49:19 Error -110 typically means USB problems IME Aug 16 22:49:28 KenYoung, Also, it doesn't have as much adoption as Debian Aug 16 22:49:29 Does it do this often? Aug 16 22:49:33 Sargun: "dfu_download error -110", and the device says "End of write exceeds partition end" Aug 16 22:49:47 Sargun, That's for sure! Aug 16 22:49:53 benlake: how large is the thing you're writing? Aug 16 22:49:59 SpeedEvil: was that directed to me? Aug 16 22:50:07 yes Aug 16 22:50:11 Wonka: is there really need to cross compile things? i use qemu for building Aug 16 22:50:32 lindi-: ouch. Aug 16 22:50:33 I tried the Om2008 and the image ieatlint linked to above, Om2008 is 1.8MB and ieatlint's is 1.7MB, both same issye Aug 16 22:50:41 ...thereby emulating hardware on which a compiler runs. Aug 16 22:50:47 which makes things not faster Aug 16 22:50:55 benlake, have you tried with a different computer? Aug 16 22:50:57 Wonka: of course it is slower yes Aug 16 22:50:57 SpeedEvil: this is the first time I've tried flashing, so yes it has always happened :P Aug 16 22:51:01 qemu is perhaps 10-30% of the speed of the FR. Aug 16 22:51:17 Wonka: but many upstream programs build binaries and execute those during build process Aug 16 22:51:17 emdebian-tools sounds nice Aug 16 22:51:21 You can't flash NOR without the debug board. Aug 16 22:51:42 benlake, are you booting into the right boot loader? Aug 16 22:51:42 hmm, where does tangogps stores its config? Aug 16 22:51:47 thats something i've been wondering, why not build the OM distro from debian for example? i'm not an expert but it seems like its produced compelling results already? Aug 16 22:51:53 henkie: I think it's in ~ Aug 16 22:52:02 SpeedEvil: I have not, what sort of USB problem would you think this is? I have had no troubles with USB ethernet or any other device on this port Aug 16 22:52:02 lindi-: that's what HOSTCC vs CC is all about Aug 16 22:52:20 SpeedEvil, Well, I mean, Maemo uses scratchbox for all of their Debian builds Aug 16 22:52:27 Sargun: I have a picture as proof! it is the NOR loader Aug 16 22:52:34 benlake, haha Aug 16 22:52:38 You can't flash NOR without the debug board. Aug 16 22:52:41 Wonka: many upstreams haven't heard of even CC and hardcode gcc :P Aug 16 22:52:50 SpeedEvil, http://www.scratchbox.org/ Aug 16 22:52:54 SpeedEvil: WTF the instructions tell me to be in NOR, damit Aug 16 22:52:58 lindi-: fix it, submit a patch Aug 16 22:53:21 yeah, i see a .tangogps dir, but i cannot find the location where its stores the maps Aug 16 22:53:28 henkie: Aug 16 22:53:34 SpeedEvil: perhaps I'm misunderstanding Aug 16 22:53:38 defaults to /tmp, and i want it on my media/card Aug 16 22:53:43 henkie: go to the config tab, and tell it to store it on /media/card/maps Aug 16 22:54:00 SpeedEvil, i did, but it doesnt remember Aug 16 22:54:04 henkie: .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml Aug 16 22:54:17 henkie: it does for me Aug 16 22:54:38 Wonka: of course you can fix it but it is a lot of work Aug 16 22:54:40 Err - am I confused. Aug 16 22:54:51 .gconf? gconf is on the FR? :| Aug 16 22:55:04 OE and bitbake etc is cool when it works......lost a good few hours of my life this weekend just trying to get libgps built within bitbake but i still think it is worth it Aug 16 22:55:16 wantok: er, yes? GTK, QT, and all sort of other stuff too Aug 16 22:55:21 hal, dbus, ... Aug 16 22:55:51 benlake: no - NOR is the one I was thinking of. It can't be written to without the debug board - what instructions? Aug 16 22:56:07 Wonka: gui toolkits i can understand, heavy cpu intensive configuration files i cant Aug 16 22:56:21 the FR alone has more oomph than the first three PCs I regularly used combined Aug 16 22:56:40 wantok: cpu intensive? it's less than 1k in size. Aug 16 22:57:13 wantok: also, it eliminates the need to have a config parser for every single program. just ask gconfs for this or that setting. Aug 16 22:57:18 gconfd even Aug 16 22:57:18 SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND Aug 16 22:57:35 SpeedEvil: there is the little "Reminder to boot from NOR first" Aug 16 22:58:02 SpeedEvil: but I think I misunderstood, I need to boot from nor, not be at the NOR menu when flashing Aug 16 22:58:17 Wonka: and we end up unable to read our configuration :\ Aug 16 22:58:26 wantok: how? Aug 16 22:58:38 SpeedEvil: when I say "Boot" from the NOR menu it says "NAND read..." did I really boot from NOR? Aug 16 22:59:14 benlake: NOR is 4kB or so. it reads the kernel from NAND. Aug 16 22:59:18 Yes - you boot from the NOR flash. Aug 16 22:59:18 You don't flash that Aug 16 22:59:18 * SpeedEvil waits for page to load. Aug 16 22:59:40 Wonka: because teh xml:config ratio is well in favour of the xml Aug 16 23:00:03 wantok: still, it's very readable, for both humans and computers Aug 16 23:00:09 what? Aug 16 23:00:11 Wonka: so selecting "Boot" from the NOR menu is how I am assured I booted from NOR? Now that the device is booted I flash? Aug 16 23:00:15 config + xml = fail Aug 16 23:00:23 Rut roh Aug 16 23:00:26 benlake: you're tryuing dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin Aug 16 23:00:26 ben: ? Aug 16 23:00:34 benlake: eh, what? Aug 16 23:00:43 SpeedEvil: after a -l sees the device. I was Aug 16 23:00:47 config + yaml = win Aug 16 23:00:54 Wonka: guess we disagree Aug 16 23:01:03 benlake: I think that was flashing the NAND - or trying to. Aug 16 23:01:04 :) Aug 16 23:01:06 benlake: "boot from NOR" can only mean "start the bootloader stored in NOR instead of the bootloader stored in NAND". Aug 16 23:01:10 Any ideas why my freerunner audio stopped working altoget›her? Aug 16 23:01:12 s-expressions = win Aug 16 23:01:28 zash: *shrug* it's gconfd there, and that's xml atm. Aug 16 23:01:40 Wonka: that's what I thought! So why when at the NOR boot menu and selecting "Boot" does it read NAND? Aug 16 23:02:15 SpeedEvil: so I am flashing appropriately at the NOR boot menu and it is failing with a -10 which makes me cry.. correct? Aug 16 23:02:24 mokomakefile is amazing... Aug 16 23:02:31 -110, sorry Aug 16 23:02:33 Wonka: well if you have config that works best in xml, you might be doing something wrong Aug 16 23:02:35 benlake: because even the bootloader stored in NOR flash has no other chance than to read kernels from NAND, because the NOR is 4kB and therefore too small for a kernel. Aug 16 23:02:45 and gconf? yay, windows registry + xml Aug 16 23:02:49 zash: don't tell me. tell the gconf people. Aug 16 23:03:02 Wonka: gotcha, so I am supposed to flash NAND while at the NOR boot menu, yes? Aug 16 23:03:09 Wonka: duno where they hang out Aug 16 23:03:12 benlake: think so. Aug 16 23:03:15 zash: neither. Aug 16 23:03:27 Wonka: too much thinking not enough knowing around here :P Aug 16 23:03:28 zash: I'm just stating the eway it is. Aug 16 23:03:51 benlake: you have a 30 second window to flash the NAND while at the NOR boot menu Aug 16 23:03:59 zash: teh dark depths of gnomes 'evil' squad ;) Aug 16 23:04:00 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Aug 16 23:04:06 Wonka: :D but, what were you talking about? /scrollback tl;dr Aug 16 23:04:07 Openmoko Screen Of Death! Aug 16 23:04:09 benlake: i press the aux button before the power button and get this menu. as long as it is there, i can flash rootfs, kernel and u-boot partitions via dfu-util. Aug 16 23:04:11 I thought we had fixed that shit Aug 16 23:04:24 TankC: I'm aware, it begins the flash download fine then tells me there isn't enough space Aug 16 23:04:40 Hey benlake :) Aug 16 23:04:48 Wonka: correct, however this is what I get: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 Aug 16 23:04:50 Speedevil, how can I check the speed at which it is presently running? Aug 16 23:04:51 Dave: ! Aug 16 23:04:54 :) Aug 16 23:04:56 zash: I told henkie where some specific tangogps setting was stored Aug 16 23:05:01 Dave: random colorful strips on screen? ;] Aug 16 23:05:05 Dave: will you be my hero... again :P Aug 16 23:05:17 benlake, perhaps :) Aug 16 23:05:18 What's up? Aug 16 23:05:20 benlake: no idea. Aug 16 23:05:24 feel the powah of Xglamo driver ;] Aug 16 23:05:29 Dave: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 Aug 16 23:05:35 Wonka: check Aug 16 23:05:47 oO Aug 16 23:06:02 Wonka: thanks for trying :) Aug 16 23:06:03 Is it possible that FR breaks SD Cards? Aug 16 23:06:25 Arcnet: mine has had an emptied mbr for several times Aug 16 23:06:30 the freerunner EATS SD-CARD CHILDREN! Aug 16 23:06:30 Arcnet, possibly, why? Aug 16 23:06:33 Arcnet: there's been a thread about the freerunner corrupting some. It seems to be a kernel problem Aug 16 23:06:35 iirc Aug 16 23:06:49 benlake: shouldn't your command line be -a kernel instead of -a u-image? Aug 16 23:07:07 zash: damn, i want to topic that :p Aug 16 23:07:09 * benlake stares at TankC Aug 16 23:07:16 Arcnet: dont let your freerunner sleep, give it crack or something Aug 16 23:07:23 yeah Aug 16 23:07:29 Arcnet: (suspend bug) Aug 16 23:07:30 hm, I lost my 2 GB SD... thats bad Aug 16 23:07:39 "sudo ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-2..." Aug 16 23:07:44 ATM I feel a little funny... 2008.8 seems to be utter crap and cannot even be upgraded, but 2007.2 or 2007.11 are removed everywhere on *.openmoko.org Aug 16 23:07:48 TankC: correct Aug 16 23:07:49 Arcnet: you just lost first 1024 bytes of it including mbr Aug 16 23:07:53 what's up guys?!? Aug 16 23:07:57 should be.. "sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2" Aug 16 23:08:06 ... Aug 16 23:08:19 Arcnet: you had one partition or more? Aug 16 23:08:24 it thows errors on the second partition Aug 16 23:08:41 TankC: DOH, could have seen that too Aug 16 23:08:47 Wonka, wait a while. Aug 16 23:09:21 I have setup boot from sd (for debian) Aug 16 23:11:03 hey, I guess I'm not the only one failing at dfu-util :D Aug 16 23:11:56 Dave: /proc/cpuinfo? Aug 16 23:13:59 Wonka: oh - you're wrong about teh NOR size. Aug 16 23:14:05 wtf Aug 16 23:14:09 Wonka: it's the M58WR016KB flash Aug 16 23:14:13 oh haha Aug 16 23:14:19 Wonka: which is a 16 megabit part. Aug 16 23:14:40 2 MByte then Aug 16 23:14:53 Wonka: yes. >>4K anyway Aug 16 23:15:08 It doesn't list speed. Aug 16 23:16:00 hmm Aug 16 23:17:21 is wifi supposed to be working in om2008.8? Aug 16 23:17:33 No. Aug 16 23:17:36 in settings it reports "unknown" about its status Aug 16 23:18:01 does 2007.2 have a suspend feature ? Aug 16 23:18:22 Deubeuliou: yes Aug 16 23:18:43 i just hope the next hw generation will have u-blox 5 instead of antares 4 Aug 16 23:18:59 with assistnow offline support Aug 16 23:18:59 can it be actived via the UI ? via ssh ? via idling only ? Aug 16 23:19:23 Deubeuliou: molest power button Aug 16 23:19:34 hm, Debian install is not working for me, I'm just getting repeated reboots with a blank white screen in between Aug 16 23:19:44 using the new install script, that is Aug 16 23:20:16 Speedevil :( Aug 16 23:21:32 torindel, it doesn't suspend, it halts :( Aug 16 23:25:25 Deubeuliou: after single press? Aug 16 23:25:32 Help, my freerunner has gone deaf! Aug 16 23:25:46 after single press, nothing happens Aug 16 23:26:01 after a long press, a menu pops Aug 16 23:26:08 after a veeery long press, halts Aug 16 23:26:11 yep Aug 16 23:26:13 short button hold? or double click? Aug 16 23:26:48 I know it should suspend on 2008.8, but on 2007.2 ? Aug 16 23:26:58 on 2007.2 too Aug 16 23:27:04 double click on the halt button ? nothing Aug 16 23:27:36 does anyone know where mokomakefile puts the dfu-util binary after building it with "make openmoko-devel-tools" Aug 16 23:27:47 :D Aug 16 23:28:00 deu it does Aug 16 23:28:10 automatically if set Aug 16 23:28:57 LEINIR Aug 16 23:29:02 if set ? Aug 16 23:29:03 You can't get away that easy! Aug 16 23:29:09 Deubeliousdfhso, in the power menu Aug 16 23:29:14 set to Dim then lock Aug 16 23:29:16 TankC: build/tmp/deploy/glibc/tools/dfu-util Aug 16 23:29:18 yeah Aug 16 23:29:22 it will suspend after a minute of inactivity Aug 16 23:29:24 it is set so Aug 16 23:29:31 ok, thanks :) Aug 16 23:29:35 ye[p Aug 16 23:29:44 * Dave throws freerunners at speedevil Aug 16 23:30:01 TankC: mine's there Aug 16 23:31:09 thank you torindel Aug 16 23:31:30 How are you, Tank? Aug 16 23:32:04 Not bad, my personal build of FSO finished sometime this morning... I'm trying to get it flashed Aug 16 23:32:06 Yourself? Aug 16 23:32:23 Dave: do so, and I'll work it out Aug 16 23:32:56 * torindel is building gentoo stage for moko Aug 16 23:33:23 Hrm Aug 16 23:33:36 Speedevil, speed? Aug 16 23:33:43 Furthermore, any thoughts about my audio issue? Aug 16 23:33:51 Dave: throw a freerunner. Aug 16 23:33:55 haha Aug 16 23:34:06 you going to just stand there holding a radar gun? :) Aug 16 23:34:07 Dave: you've tried unplugging your ears, and plugging them back in? Aug 16 23:34:13 hurr Aug 16 23:34:43 pulseaudio seems to be nominal; rebooting the phone, which typically resets pretty much everything has no effect Aug 16 23:34:46 :| Aug 16 23:34:50 odd. Aug 16 23:34:50 torindel: which stage? Aug 16 23:34:52 no audio in any application works Aug 16 23:35:00 and if I fuck with the audio device manually, nothing :( Aug 16 23:35:32 holy crap!? Aug 16 23:35:45 WHAT HAPPENED TO MY AUDIO DEVICE!? Aug 16 23:35:57 Houston, we have a problem. Aug 16 23:36:01 Dave, have you played with Alsactl? Aug 16 23:36:12 TankC: gentoo stage = gentoo install image Aug 16 23:36:39 can someone give me a brief rundown of what at+cimi is? Google only produces results related to Fallout Boy >.< Aug 16 23:37:00 haha Aug 16 23:37:30 torindel: what stage # though? 3 or 4? Aug 16 23:37:53 shit Aug 16 23:38:07 Who stoled my noise maker device? :P Aug 16 23:38:35 TankC: currently 1, ill make 3 later Aug 16 23:38:45 I got a new SIM from the list of known working ones, and it doesn't work >.<. But I borrowed my friends and it worked okay, so I wanted to add both to the Wiki list Aug 16 23:39:01 TankC: i can send you if you're interested Aug 16 23:39:14 (when i finish that is) Aug 16 23:40:42 fuck you, udev! Aug 16 23:40:44 :( Aug 16 23:40:58 udev will never catch on. Aug 16 23:41:06 boohoo Aug 16 23:41:10 udev has already fucked you, udev does not fuck one person twice Aug 16 23:41:12 ruxpin: typically 2V unless blue Aug 16 23:41:13 oops Aug 16 23:41:20 doc ;p Aug 16 23:42:16 Where'd my audio device go? :( Aug 16 23:42:52 Dave: probably the cat stole it and its playing with it under the table Aug 16 23:43:05 bastard! Aug 16 23:43:12 Come back here, kitty! Aug 16 23:43:16 SpeedEvil: hi there thanks for higlighing :D Aug 16 23:43:29 ruxpin: sorry - mischan, as you probably gatehred. Aug 16 23:43:36 nå Aug 16 23:43:38 np Aug 16 23:43:53 what's wrong with udev? Aug 16 23:45:46 Hey Mwester :) Aug 16 23:47:08 I am legion. Aug 16 23:47:53 er, but not on this channel, it seems... :p :D Aug 16 23:51:09 just saw /. article Aug 16 23:51:18 debian now up on freerunner? Aug 16 23:51:40 seems so Aug 16 23:52:01 torindel: I'd like to play around with that, please keep me updated Aug 16 23:54:56 mwester-laptop: french foreign legion? Aug 16 23:55:10 TankC: no problem Aug 16 23:57:32 rwhitby: I can't recall... :D Aug 16 23:59:35 Hm. Which python sub-package has the getpass module? Aug 17 00:03:00 python-unixadmin has the getpass module. Aug 17 00:30:52 Flinx: regarding your sim issue, put the first 6 digits of each sim in the wiki. Aug 17 00:32:00 I just did Aug 17 00:32:41 :D Aug 17 00:55:12 omgdebianonfreerunner Aug 17 00:55:26 kdubois: omgomgomg Aug 17 00:55:29 :D Aug 17 01:00:15 how can I determine what kernel I booted? Aug 17 01:00:23 benlake: uname -r Aug 17 01:00:54 benlake: and if that wont give you enough information, try uname -a Aug 17 01:01:00 indeed Aug 17 01:01:09 now I'm just not sure what was on it before :P Aug 17 01:01:16 can somebody pastbin this file for me /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf i trashed it Aug 17 01:01:27 2008.8 Aug 17 01:01:36 is 2008.8 2.6.24? Aug 17 01:02:26 benlake: they all use the same kernel, pretty much. Aug 17 01:02:46 I _think_ I just flashed to 2008.8, how can I verify? Aug 17 01:02:55 dmesg looks a lot different... Aug 17 01:03:02 If it doesn't work, then it's probably 2008.8 Aug 17 01:03:08 hehe Aug 17 01:03:08 lolol Aug 17 01:03:28 mine works somewhat untill i borked it Aug 17 01:04:04 seriously, it'll have two rows of icons on the display, the images of which are just random bits of computer art having nothing at all to do with the labels beneath. Aug 17 01:04:21 thats right Aug 17 01:04:32 ramdom artwork Aug 17 01:04:37 hmm, I'm missing something Aug 17 01:05:03 maybe u got 20080808 Aug 17 01:05:14 thats not the release Aug 17 01:05:17 you flash to the 2008.8 kernel, but how do I get my phone to look like 2008.8, cause I still see what shipped which is the orange stuff Aug 17 01:05:36 the rootfs has to be flashed Aug 17 01:05:40 I pulled from openmoko.com/download, isn't that just a kernel? Aug 17 01:05:58 oh sorry, I should say I just installed the kernel, not the rootfs... that would explain it Aug 17 01:06:00 u just did the kernel an u cant see that Aug 17 01:06:21 .jffs i think Aug 17 01:06:31 is the rootfs Aug 17 01:06:34 hmm, i cannot use pand with my computer (and the freerunner) Aug 17 01:06:42 it reports "connection refused" Aug 17 01:07:02 mwester u have your freerunner hooked to yo laptop? Aug 17 01:07:07 i used passkey-agent for the pin's Aug 17 01:07:34 /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf <~~~~~ i need acopy of this file Aug 17 01:07:47 linuxxr: nope, it's in the other room on the desktop system. Aug 17 01:07:56 i erased mine?) Aug 17 01:08:54 rooly where are u? Aug 17 01:09:01 src/gz daily-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all Aug 17 01:09:09 (ssh works nicely) Aug 17 01:11:52 i need to install python-pygtk, and that package says it needs gtk+, and opkg screams that gtk+ tries to install files already provided by gtk+-fastscaling Aug 17 01:12:11 so...i cannot install python-pygtk. any suggestions? Aug 17 01:15:53 That's lovely.. my latest build of FSO goes into standby mode during an active phone call Aug 17 01:16:57 what's interesting is that I can resume the phone and the phone call will still be active :) Aug 17 01:18:44 TankC: it's a feature. Just not quite working exactly right yet... Aug 17 01:21:48 noone knows about this stupid thing about gtk+ and gtk+-fastcaling? Aug 17 01:22:17 mmaestri: use the options to opkg to force the install without any dependencies. Aug 17 01:22:43 It's probably just a mis-stated dependency. Aug 17 01:23:29 -nodeps ? Aug 17 01:33:33 Has anyone attempted to build the Python Cryptography Toolkit for the FR? Aug 17 01:37:24 Mind if I remove the "Speculations: This article or section documents a device that is not yet confirmed formally and the device (if even released) may differ from the specifications given here. This page is based on well educated guesses, not facts. " from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 Aug 17 01:44:00 doesn't beat Be,Inc. "forward looking statements" Aug 17 01:46:44 damnit, what's the unix command to trim blank lines from a file? Aug 17 01:48:02 <|kb3gtn|> I think you can use sed to do that.. Aug 17 01:49:55 or grep -v '^$' Aug 17 01:50:53 grep -P -v -e "\n" Aug 17 01:51:02 mine's niftier looking! Aug 17 01:51:49 Lies, the grep is sexy! Aug 17 01:52:39 it's going to bother me if i don't find it Aug 17 01:54:27 lol Aug 17 01:55:11 ieatlint, either of those commands will do it. Aug 17 01:55:14 I don't think there's any standard command for doing that, besides grep/sed sorcery Aug 17 01:56:13 ieatlint, alias noblanks="grep -v '^$'" Aug 17 01:56:25 then type noblanks < INFILE > OUTFILE Aug 17 01:57:30 uniq -u does the task, but i swear i remember learning of a command that trimmed trailing/leading spaces and blank lines Aug 17 01:57:44 you and your grep... no one uses grep Aug 17 01:59:29 ieatlint: Now I see the problem, you're just on crack! Aug 17 01:59:53 nope Aug 17 02:00:17 i'd be programming better if i were Aug 17 02:00:24 Heh Aug 17 02:00:38 does the battery charge in suspend mode? Aug 17 02:08:28 it should Aug 17 02:08:40 but at this point, all bets are off on anything working right :P Aug 17 02:09:04 For those running Debian/FSO, how's the speed? Not boot speed, but response time, etc... Aug 17 02:11:16 upgraded to 2008.8, still no /dev/mmcblk0p1 :( Aug 17 02:22:57 benlake: isn't p1 partition 1? Aug 17 02:23:46 yeah, the device is /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 17 02:23:56 the partitions are then p1, p2, etc Aug 17 02:24:52 indeed Aug 17 02:25:06 so is there no mmcblk0? Aug 17 02:25:13 I upgraded to 2008.8 to see if it would give me the device Aug 17 02:25:16 correct Aug 17 02:26:03 yeah, you've got a serious issue then Aug 17 02:26:22 :( Aug 17 02:26:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#MMC.2FSD Aug 17 02:27:03 go into the uboot console and try that... removes all chance it's the image you're using Aug 17 02:27:14 if uboot can't see the card, then linux never will Aug 17 02:28:18 ieatlint: the uboot image you linked to me earlier said v1.3.1, my phone says 1.3.2 when at the bootloader menu.. was your link actually newer? I have not flashed uboot since receiving the phone Aug 17 02:28:45 uh, it should say the version and then a compile date Aug 17 02:28:54 i think the phones shipped with a may 9 date Aug 17 02:29:08 a current one should be sometime in august Aug 17 02:29:28 it's possible they regressed a version of uboot to better support the device, i dunno Aug 17 02:29:29 * rooly|away bought an 8-gig card the other day Aug 17 02:29:36 will be arriving when i get home Aug 17 02:29:55 and make sure not to confuse nor and nand uboot -- if it's at all graphical, it's nor (it will say on the bootloader menu screen nor or nand) Aug 17 02:30:05 alrighty, issue: the time sets itself incorrectly at every reboot Aug 17 02:30:13 nor should only be used for flashing u-boot and in recovery operations Aug 17 02:30:29 ieatlint: I've learned to recognize which I am in Aug 17 02:30:57 benlake: it's not meant to belittle you, but i've learnt overkill is better than leaving people confused and afraid to ask :) Aug 17 02:31:03 ieatlint: hrm, I just flashed the kernel and rootf of 2008.8 in NOR :| Aug 17 02:31:14 benlake: that won't matter Aug 17 02:31:17 you can use nor Aug 17 02:31:19 ieatlint: oh I didn't take it as such, just letting you know I'm aware Aug 17 02:31:30 ieatlint: totally Aug 17 02:31:51 ieatlint: are there any u-boot images on downloads.openmoko.org? Aug 17 02:31:51 nor is just outdated... it should work for most things, but it's generally better to sidestep potential problems that could arise using it Aug 17 02:32:53 not to my knowledge... i just use the ones from the daily buildhost Aug 17 02:33:08 rooly|away: oh, and are you sure it's actually incorrectly setting the time, or never setting it correctly? Aug 17 02:33:28 software clock and hardware clock normally sync on boot/shutdown, but not always Aug 17 02:33:43 i can manually set the time, however, it looks like a time-zone issue Aug 17 02:33:50 eg, run "hwclock && date" and see the skew Aug 17 02:34:40 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc' Aug 17 02:34:51 that seems bad :P Aug 17 02:35:17 try hwclock -f /dev/rtc Aug 17 02:35:35 device busy Aug 17 02:35:56 what are you running? Aug 17 02:35:59 2008.8? Aug 17 02:36:05 i believe 2008.4 Aug 17 02:36:07 not sure Aug 17 02:36:34 my build host is cubie tho Aug 17 02:36:42 anyway, it could be a hwclock issue or a timezone issue Aug 17 02:36:45 version is still a git string Aug 17 02:36:53 i think it's a timezone issue Aug 17 02:37:25 cause it maintains the minutes Aug 17 02:37:37 but the timezone is gone Aug 17 02:37:45 * rooly|away restates: Aug 17 02:37:54 it moves forward by several hours Aug 17 02:38:38 aka 19:12 changed to 1:12 and it moved forward a day Aug 17 02:38:42 okay, your mountain time, so you're gmt-6... Aug 17 02:38:48 atm, -7 Aug 17 02:38:55 -6 is central Aug 17 02:39:06 interesting that the offset is 6 though, hehe Aug 17 02:39:15 do you not do daylight saving? Aug 17 02:39:24 yeah, i do Aug 17 02:39:30 then you're -6 Aug 17 02:39:38 ic Aug 17 02:39:42 central is -5 and eastern is -4 Aug 17 02:39:56 Anyone have a python+gtk introduction they'd recommend? I've spent the past several days trying to grok what google finds, in the hopes of GUIfying a curses-based gps/geocaching program... and I've just gotten nothing out of it. Aug 17 02:39:58 ieatlint: I updated u-boot to Aug 13 build Aug 17 02:40:12 it's a timezone issue then Aug 17 02:40:14 gotta be Aug 17 02:40:17 yep Aug 17 02:40:21 it's reseting to utc Aug 17 02:40:37 baird: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ Aug 17 02:40:39 but the thing is, qtopia's clock maintains my timezone selection Aug 17 02:40:46 just throws itself back to utc Aug 17 02:40:55 baird: and http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/ Aug 17 02:41:23 rooly|away: set /etc/localtime Aug 17 02:41:44 That's what I've wasted the last few days on.. :/ Aug 17 02:42:06 gtk isn't known for being the simplest Aug 17 02:42:10 ieatlint: how Aug 17 02:42:30 * rooly|away thought of something Aug 17 02:42:43 one could actually use the gps system for timekeeping, plus a timezone file Aug 17 02:42:48 instead of relying on ntp Aug 17 02:43:06 yeah, i keep waiting for someone to do that :P Aug 17 02:43:12 NTP is neat. Aug 17 02:43:16 GPS is neater. Aug 17 02:43:33 ieatlint: "No MMC card found" :( super sad face Aug 17 02:43:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone Aug 17 02:43:37 Dude, imagine if all the OM phones were stratum 0 time servers Aug 17 02:43:55 benlake: yeah, small chance it's a bad card Aug 17 02:43:56 hmmph... Aug 17 02:44:02 benlake: how long ago did you buy it? Aug 17 02:44:05 (the FR) Aug 17 02:44:16 ieatlint: I heard rumors about the FR killing cards Aug 17 02:44:24 ieatlint: 1-2 months Aug 17 02:44:30 Sargun: their wifi isn't that reliable so .. you plan to use usb ? Aug 17 02:44:36 huh, i've not heart such rumours Aug 17 02:44:48 The pygtk.org docs are like trying to teach you valence chemistry, when you only want to bake a cake.. :/ Aug 17 02:44:53 well, i would post to the mailing list, explain the problem and what you've tried Aug 17 02:44:59 baird: they are not rumours they happen when you suspend .. i think Aug 17 02:45:00 ieatlint: guess I'll plug the SD card into something else and see if its usable Aug 17 02:45:03 openmoko guys and a lot smarter/informed people read it Aug 17 02:45:17 dbmoodb_: that corrupts the data on the card, it doesn't kill it Aug 17 02:45:31 sure -- doesn't kill -- my bad working :( Aug 17 02:45:57 ieatlint: if there is a fix for the corruption that would be cool -- think that will be possible with a newer u-boot perhaps or the newer kernel Aug 17 02:46:16 dbmoodb_, GSM! ;-P Aug 17 02:46:24 dbmoodb_: i think it was a kernel issue Aug 17 02:46:28 not sure if it's fixed Aug 17 02:46:29 I wonder if you could ever use the GSM (voice) for data Aug 17 02:46:41 Sargun: you can Aug 17 02:46:43 Sargun: that's not a good ntp server then Aug 17 02:46:45 14.4k or something Aug 17 02:46:58 just like a dialup modem Aug 17 02:47:04 yep Aug 17 02:47:05 ok... Aug 17 02:47:08 CSD, circuit switched data Aug 17 02:47:12 well the tzdata packages are already there Aug 17 02:47:26 ieatlint: the card is fine :| Aug 17 02:47:49 benlake: you didn't try and solder on that 10pF cap, did you? Aug 17 02:48:18 dbmoodb_, True. Aug 17 02:48:25 ieatlint, interesting. Aug 17 02:48:34 ieatlint: hahahah, I just flashed stuff for the first time. I don't think I'll ever have a soldering iron to this thing Aug 17 02:48:37 ieatlint, I wonder if it would be cheaper to use it as a dial up modem Aug 17 02:48:42 ieatlint, or GPRS Aug 17 02:48:53 ah how does one turn the gps on .. in debian Aug 17 02:48:55 Sargun: gprs almost certainly Aug 17 02:49:07 * rooly|away disagrees Aug 17 02:49:14 ieatlint, Are you sure? How much data can you send over GSM in a minute? Aug 17 02:49:27 sure, dialup modem may be slower and it would eat up your minutes Aug 17 02:49:29 Sargun: in gprs? Aug 17 02:49:35 ~300kb Aug 17 02:49:35 no Aug 17 02:49:37 in voice. Aug 17 02:49:49 uhm, 14k.. so like 1.8*60 Aug 17 02:49:54 but a person not on a data plan pays ~.1USD per kilobyte Aug 17 02:50:01 14 kilobits right? Aug 17 02:50:03 $0.01 Aug 17 02:50:26 ieatlint: at&t charges 10 cents Aug 17 02:50:28 so that'd be like 100kb/min for 14.4k Aug 17 02:50:30 * rooly|away knows Aug 17 02:50:36 u can send a lot of data if u encode it clever Aug 17 02:50:37 rooly|away: then your provider sucks :P Aug 17 02:50:39 ...38 megabytes Aug 17 02:50:43 your telling me Aug 17 02:50:49 i'm on tmo Aug 17 02:50:57 i pay $20/mo for unlimited data Aug 17 02:51:06 i'm allowed to tether, i get a routeable ip... Aug 17 02:51:11 ieatlint, it would be about equal Aug 17 02:51:14 * rooly|away hates ieatlint right now Aug 17 02:51:20 * Sargun hates ieatlint Aug 17 02:51:21 ieatlint: so am I screw-ED? Aug 17 02:51:29 unfortunately people send xml over the wire Aug 17 02:51:32 * benlake loves ieatlint Aug 17 02:51:35 benlake: post on the mailing list... Aug 17 02:51:43 I also pay $20 for unlimited data Aug 17 02:51:48 you'll get the attention of people who can act to try and solve the issue Aug 17 02:51:57 I need a business plan that supports GPRs Aug 17 02:51:58 that's on top of a $30 monthly plan Aug 17 02:51:59 GPRS Aug 17 02:52:04 err, unlimited GPRs Aug 17 02:52:10 and they usually cost of hell of a lot. Aug 17 02:52:15 michael shiloh is pretty good about helping people with this kind of stuff, and he's an actual OM employee Aug 17 02:52:17 ah anyone ? Aug 17 02:52:38 Sargun: my plan is intended for business people Aug 17 02:52:43 it's the "vpn" plan Aug 17 02:52:49 ieatlint: which list? Aug 17 02:52:53 support? Aug 17 02:52:55 (the non-vpn costs the same, but you get a 10.x.x.x ip) Aug 17 02:53:09 benlake: support or community... community is kinda de facto support, and has more people Aug 17 02:53:17 i wonder... Aug 17 02:53:35 is the gprs activated by terminal only? Aug 17 02:53:48 or are there apps to do it Aug 17 02:53:51 the plan also works on edge, 3g, and i get access to all tmobile hotspots in the US, all hotspots in starbacks in the US, and discounts on tmobile hotspots abroad Aug 17 02:53:58 ieatlint, I need a plan that guarantees reachability Aug 17 02:54:11 does FIC actually make any money of this thing? Aug 17 02:54:12 ieatlint: that's really nice Aug 17 02:54:12 I hope so. Aug 17 02:54:15 $0.015/kb for gprs/edge/3g when roaming Aug 17 02:54:33 ieatlint: how much is the total monthly bill? Aug 17 02:54:34 * rooly|away tests the time thing Aug 17 02:54:36 note Aug 17 02:54:44 i rebooted my phone at 20:52 Aug 17 02:54:50 TankC: that's just a data plan, $20/mo Aug 17 02:55:11 on EVDO I do something like 7 G a month _easily_ Aug 17 02:55:24 well, evdo is a bit faster at the moment Aug 17 02:55:28 ieatlint: I know, but is that by itself or thrown on top of a monthly contract? Aug 17 02:55:44 even when 3g arrives here for tmobile, it'll only pull ~700kbit i'm told Aug 17 02:56:00 TankC: on top of a monthly contract, although they have data-only plans Aug 17 02:56:18 How much are you paying over all? Aug 17 02:56:21 my overall monthly phone bill is $200, but i have a bunch of stuff on it, including 4 phone lines Aug 17 02:56:27 Ahh Aug 17 02:56:58 AT&T's package was the cheapest I could find around here for unlimited gprs communication Aug 17 02:57:07 $40/mo for the data plan i just quoted with no sms/voice Aug 17 02:57:07 including 3G Aug 17 02:57:38 3g isn't charged separately with tmobile (at least, it isn't now)... they just lump it all as "data" Aug 17 02:57:46 Yeah, same here Aug 17 02:58:20 when tmobile finally gets 3g out here, i'm getting a hspda/umts dongle Aug 17 02:58:34 yup Aug 17 02:58:36 2:57 Aug 17 02:58:53 I'm sad the FR doesn't have HSDPA support Aug 17 02:58:58 ieatlint: and plug it into your fr, right? Aug 17 02:59:08 rooly|away: maybe, i'll see Aug 17 02:59:17 for my laptop is the bigger issue :P Aug 17 02:59:37 * rooly|away is waiting for the gsm to connect Aug 17 02:59:47 if it doesn't correct the time, we'll see Aug 17 02:59:50 TankC, just wait. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008