**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 22 02:59:56 2008 Aug 22 03:09:25 yay for american foot Aug 22 03:09:36 ball being Aug 22 03:09:42 oon tvv Aug 22 03:10:38 bah, this keyboard is hitting enter when i tap the edgess Aug 22 03:30:58 so Aug 22 03:31:11 are there any devs that worked on the exposure/settings app? Aug 22 03:35:32 exposure was doone by the paid openmoko devs in taiwan methinks Aug 22 03:35:48 damnit Aug 22 03:35:59 well, for some reason, adding a line to a function makes it not work anymore Aug 22 03:36:41 mm mmm m Aug 22 03:36:54 that's a pretty broad statement Aug 22 03:36:59 ieatlint Aug 22 03:37:31 i add a "os.system("bla bla bla")" and it now no longer recognizes the wifi's current setting Aug 22 03:37:36 it stays at "unknown" Aug 22 03:38:34 i heard the unknownn issue wass due to a stale fi Aug 22 03:38:38 le Aug 22 03:38:58 well, i deleted the byte compiled code Aug 22 03:39:12 you Aug 22 03:39:20 the .pyo Aug 22 03:39:23 diidn't need too Aug 22 03:39:32 yeah, well, i tried Aug 22 03:39:36 and it just made itself right back Aug 22 03:39:38 so no harm done Aug 22 03:40:04 it's a config file in /var i think Aug 22 03:40:21 hmm Aug 22 03:40:28 thatt caches things .. dunno Aug 22 03:40:41 only heard Aug 22 03:41:01 well, i know /var/run/wpa_config/eth0 keeps it from connecting to a new wifi if you're already "connected" Aug 22 03:41:27 sorryy for me typing, i'm on the neo over gprs Aug 22 03:41:40 neat Aug 22 03:41:57 i'm considering getting a data plan Aug 22 03:43:24 * rooly searches thru var Aug 22 03:43:41 ieatlint, why would it hang on to it even thru a reboot Aug 22 03:44:34 because the app itself needs to purge it Aug 22 03:44:47 and it's a bug Aug 22 03:45:22 wwell, you can purge it byy hand Aug 22 03:45:52 but i mean the system won't, it'll only do it Aug 22 03:46:02 for /tmp Aug 22 03:46:28 right Aug 22 03:46:36 maybe i can tell it to store in there somewhere Aug 22 03:48:35 or you could just fix the bug :P Aug 22 03:49:07 i could Aug 22 03:49:23 but that would require me to go thru so many damned things... Aug 22 03:50:42 quick hackk vs proper fix.. bravo Aug 22 03:56:46 this.pants ^= 1; Aug 22 03:57:04 Aug 22 03:57:49 i saw a vid on youtube about the linux convention you went to ieatlint Aug 22 03:58:03 coulda swore they mentioned some of your work Aug 22 03:58:06 oh? Aug 22 03:58:14 lol Aug 22 03:58:25 some hawt lil reporter chick Aug 22 03:58:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJjNF36DfI Aug 22 03:58:59 hmmm, i don't recall meeting a hot reporter Aug 22 03:59:23 thats probably cause the booth guys cock blocked you Aug 22 03:59:31 heh Aug 22 03:59:35 can't watch that now, i'm on my Aug 22 03:59:41 oh Aug 22 03:59:48 phone Aug 22 04:00:04 will watch later Aug 22 04:00:07 well its on youtube search openmoko and watched the latest added one should bring it Aug 22 04:00:30 Zorkman: showed me the link Aug 22 04:01:25 The quote on that video "It's not necessarily a phone" is true on many levels. Aug 22 04:01:26 thhe freebsdd guys are always the fun ones Aug 22 04:01:44 hrm Aug 22 04:01:47 exposure.fif Aug 22 04:01:49 fifo Aug 22 04:02:35 that's not really a file rooly Aug 22 04:03:13 oh? Aug 22 04:03:17 well...i just deleted it Aug 22 04:03:30 freaky aussies Aug 22 04:03:46 rooly: man mkfifo Aug 22 04:03:55 freaks-r-us.com.au Aug 22 04:04:09 :/ Aug 22 04:04:25 freaks.r.us Aug 22 04:04:45 freaks.ru/s Aug 22 04:04:50 meh... Aug 22 04:04:59 i hope i didn't destroy mah phone Aug 22 04:05:01 hah Aug 22 04:05:12 rooly: you didn't Aug 22 04:05:30 it shpuld just remake it Aug 22 04:06:02 but a fifo dooesn't really store data, so it's not it Aug 22 04:07:00 Anyone interested in debian on the FR: I got debian to fit in the FR's flash; instructions sent to the community list. Aug 22 04:07:44 retracile: can you fw: it to me if i give you an addy? i'm not on the list :( Aug 22 04:07:46 ok, new Aug 22 04:07:48 s/(/) Aug 22 04:08:06 wantok: sure Aug 22 04:08:31 channel rule: every time you run into a bug, you take a drink Aug 22 04:08:37 aww Aug 22 04:08:41 i'm not of drinking age Aug 22 04:08:43 ieatlint: As long as it's water. Aug 22 04:08:50 retracile, That's an amazing feat! Aug 22 04:09:02 i'll get my whiskey Aug 22 04:09:13 retracile: i pm'd you my address Aug 22 04:09:15 rooly: how oldd are you? Aug 22 04:09:17 more like you down a beer while considering how to fix it Aug 22 04:09:20 19 Aug 22 04:09:33 heh 19 never stoped me from drinking Aug 22 04:09:38 right Aug 22 04:09:39 wantok: got it; email sent. Aug 22 04:09:45 thank you Aug 22 04:09:52 so go to canada or mexico Aug 22 04:09:55 the drinking age in my state was 18 until i turned 12 Aug 22 04:10:01 wee'll wait Aug 22 04:10:54 KenYoung: It turned out to be pretty straight forward because jffs2 is _compressed_. (Thank you, mjr, for the forehead-slapping reminder.) Aug 22 04:11:18 ieatlint, i can't find anything aside from exposure.fifo Aug 22 04:11:26 KenYoung: I added things like, oh, vim-gtk to the install, and I still have 53MB free. :) Aug 22 04:11:31 huffman yay Aug 22 04:11:52 And with that, it's time I crawl into bed. g'night y'all! Aug 22 04:12:21 what state are you in rooly? Aug 22 04:12:39 louisiana Aug 22 04:12:53 oh, sorry Aug 22 04:12:57 it's hot, but damn the food is good Aug 22 04:13:03 :P Aug 22 04:13:13 retracile: thanks a lot, sleep well :) Aug 22 04:13:17 hrm Aug 22 04:13:22 i think i'll grep exposure Aug 22 04:13:37 dfu-util shows me Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Aug 22 04:14:07 what do i need to do to get my neo1973 into the right state to put 2008.8 on Aug 22 04:14:31 you do know the rest of thhe country regards LA as inbred and uneducated? Aug 22 04:14:36 i sure do Aug 22 04:15:15 but i'll be damned if i let the birthplace of the best food, music, and parties in the world be anything but a badge of honor Aug 22 04:15:22 especiallly us here in california Aug 22 04:15:49 yeah, you've good food Aug 22 04:15:50 most californians i've met are wuss snobs, and the other half are gay Aug 22 04:16:11 so i don't take a californians opinion very seriously Aug 22 04:16:13 haha Aug 22 04:16:41 maybe the ones who go to LA are Aug 22 04:18:05 yeah...they usually can't take the heat either Aug 22 04:18:20 just don't judge us on socal and i won't judge you on deliverance Aug 22 04:18:48 i'll be honest, i don't keep up with the news. what's deliverance Aug 22 04:19:20 cali has the hottest place in the americas Aug 22 04:19:26 it's hot Aug 22 04:19:30 but it's not the real hot Aug 22 04:19:41 the real hot is the one where you can't breath its so hot Aug 22 04:19:50 rooly: put the name into imdb Aug 22 04:19:52 you step outside the door and are already sweating Aug 22 04:20:11 deliverance is a classic Aug 22 04:20:43 right. you don't judge us by movies, and i won't judge yall by socal Aug 22 04:21:21 well, i live in sf, so the hot days are80 Aug 22 04:21:35 and they are rare Aug 22 04:21:40 the hot days over here start at about 75 Aug 22 04:21:55 louisiana likes to stay in the 90's over the summer Aug 22 04:22:49 what's an edje file do Aug 22 04:23:06 it eats small children Aug 22 04:23:17 indeed Aug 22 04:23:40 isn't it basically like a gtk theme Aug 22 04:23:51 the equivalent of, i mean Aug 22 04:24:02 ummmm Aug 22 04:24:04 raster actually has no idea Aug 22 04:24:09 significantly more Aug 22 04:24:18 .edj is an all-in-one file Aug 22 04:24:20 like a .zip file Aug 22 04:24:25 shit Aug 22 04:24:27 f*cking PMU. I had my FR running on the charger with no battery for a few minutes, but I can't get it to do it again. Aug 22 04:24:29 don't believe a word he says Aug 22 04:24:30 so that could be my problem Aug 22 04:24:33 u can random-access any part of it trivially. it's more efficient than having multiple files Aug 22 04:24:42 and it contains images, fonts, and layout configuration Aug 22 04:24:55 edje - the library loads these, and can instantiate visual objects Aug 22 04:24:58 these objects can animate Aug 22 04:25:07 think of it much more like flash than a gtk theme Aug 22 04:25:30 but would it affect the wifi and bluetooth settings Aug 22 04:25:31 these theme (edje) elements are able tobe controleld by code - interacted with, react to user events and interactions etc. Aug 22 04:26:04 well not the actual config of the devices Aug 22 04:26:07 it may affect the ui Aug 22 04:26:08 but it is a type of conttaineer Aug 22 04:26:12 right Aug 22 04:26:16 yes Aug 22 04:26:19 a kind of container Aug 22 04:26:21 and then some Aug 22 04:26:53 and it does eat children Aug 22 04:27:03 yum yum Aug 22 04:27:06 so Aug 22 04:27:11 where is this file i wonder Aug 22 04:27:12 tasty and tender Aug 22 04:27:23 and not in the michael jackson way Aug 22 04:27:24 i'll probably have to browse thru every single line of python for a file path Aug 22 04:31:36 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r096677b2b81c 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (__init__.py otimed.py): [otimed] Creation of the subsystem Aug 22 04:32:10 hrm Aug 22 04:32:13 "/etc/exposure_adv_opt" Aug 22 04:33:59 exposure was written by marek Aug 22 04:34:49 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc45f168c54d7 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Aug 22 04:34:49 freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Added trigger for time change events Aug 22 04:34:49 freesmartphone.org: * Added the Time(hour, minute) trigger in the rule file Aug 22 04:34:49 freesmartphone.org: * Added the Debug(msg) action Aug 22 04:41:35 whiskey good Aug 22 04:46:44 verb bad Aug 22 04:46:57 yes good Aug 22 04:47:23 so Aug 22 04:47:27 i just sent an email to him Aug 22 04:47:42 oh, btw Aug 22 04:47:47 exposure is not longer turning on Aug 22 04:48:24 remake the fiifo? Aug 22 04:48:48 the fifo is *supposed* to be in /tmp Aug 22 04:49:12 and chastise a programmer who doesn't auto remmakee it Aug 22 04:49:26 it is automade Aug 22 04:49:35 if it doesn't exist, it makes one Aug 22 04:49:55 it existed in /var/tmp anyway Aug 22 04:50:57 ah as it should be Aug 22 04:51:16 right Aug 22 04:51:23 but i seem to have just killeded it Aug 22 04:51:34 and exposure throws all it's debug to null Aug 22 04:51:36 so... Aug 22 04:51:39 * rooly goes change that Aug 22 04:53:20 oh no, you borked teh programme Aug 22 04:53:31 big time Aug 22 04:53:39 shit man Aug 22 04:53:43 no debug means no fixie Aug 22 04:54:07 seriously Aug 22 04:54:16 who forwards debug to null on an incomplete program Aug 22 04:54:46 pro-grammar or programmer Aug 22 04:55:08 that's those damned koreans i bet Aug 22 04:55:14 english rules Aug 22 04:57:21 is anybody having issues with Display Locker in OM2007? it now only shows the top image and the small sliding logo right under it Aug 22 04:59:31 the files are all there in /usr/share/neod, and they have the same permissions as north.png, but... Aug 22 05:05:33 right Aug 22 05:05:43 so i added a variable to this class Aug 22 05:05:49 and now it doesn't run at all Aug 22 05:10:10 should the display locker files have different permissions than root:root 644 ? Aug 22 05:15:55 is there a 2008.8 image for neo1973 hardware? Aug 22 05:21:13 dgilmore: no Aug 22 05:21:23 rwhitby: thanks Aug 22 05:21:26 there is fso-testing for gta01 however Aug 22 05:21:31 rwhitby, do YOU know any python? Aug 22 05:21:36 (that's what I use) Aug 22 05:21:40 rooly: python newbie here Aug 22 05:21:43 * rooly may know python by the end of tonght Aug 22 05:22:17 i'm trying to add in led toggling to the exposure app Aug 22 05:22:21 but i seem to have broken it Aug 22 05:23:24 that's generally agreed to not be good Aug 22 05:24:15 right Aug 22 05:26:21 okay Aug 22 05:26:22 rebooting Aug 22 05:26:27 to clear it from memory Aug 22 05:26:32 :) Aug 22 05:26:33 now i'm gonna TRY AGAIN! Aug 22 05:28:30 python is relatively easy at least Aug 22 05:29:52 i want to live at 1337 pope st Aug 22 05:30:17 poop Aug 22 05:30:28 no thanks, I've just eaten Aug 22 05:30:49 hi all Aug 22 05:35:07 How long is the battery supposed to last with 2008.8 ? Aug 22 05:36:05 well forcing a reinstall of displaylocker got the standard one working, so now hopefully the other will work :-/ Aug 22 05:36:26 alephnull:approximatevely 10h Aug 22 05:37:19 admiral0: ok. Aug 22 05:46:09 weird, now the alternate themes for display locker won't work for me. Aug 22 05:46:24 there are altername themes? Aug 22 05:46:32 hmm, wifi stops when the battery's removed, but I don't see a direct Vbat to it on the schematic. Aug 22 05:47:52 several programs have been problematic using the manual directions, now that they have been added to mainline Aug 22 05:48:55 * rooly wonders how to poll the power of a device Aug 22 05:50:22 rooly, yes and they *used* to work just fine before added to mainline Openmoko Aug 22 05:50:32 who wants to go to the beach tomorrow? Aug 22 05:50:35 wrong channel Aug 22 05:50:39 me! Aug 22 05:50:57 can I come anyway? Aug 22 05:51:03 i want to! Aug 22 05:51:06 oh damn Aug 22 05:51:08 i'm moving tomorrow Aug 22 05:51:24 moving to the beach? beach housewarming party! Aug 22 05:51:30 nah Aug 22 05:51:33 rooly some of them are really cool also...I like the puzzle them, the choice theme and the road them Aug 22 05:51:44 if only they worked Aug 22 05:51:53 oh what, we're not good enough to come to your beach housewarming party? Aug 22 05:51:57 i'd like to know if i could poll power status of devices Aug 22 05:52:18 you can, but don't ask me how Aug 22 05:52:45 hmm Aug 22 05:53:03 i wonder if i could make a daemon in a shell script Aug 22 05:53:42 not easily Aug 22 05:54:00 does sleep 10 stop the whole system during boot? Aug 22 05:54:01 daemon for what? Aug 22 05:54:03 or just the script Aug 22 05:54:38 meh, just poll wifi and bt power status and maintain led's Aug 22 05:54:46 if the system waitts foor the script it doea Aug 22 05:55:14 it'd basically be started by init.d Aug 22 05:55:17 with an & Aug 22 05:55:52 alcohol immpairs hand eye coordination.. no way Aug 22 05:56:26 the & should ensure it doesn;'t block Aug 22 05:57:04 right Aug 22 05:57:15 i'll just tell it to sleep inside the script Aug 22 05:57:22 now i need to figure out how to poll device status Aug 22 05:57:45 who's that guy who works at Koolu? Aug 22 05:58:11 i don't know but he emailed me personally Aug 22 05:58:27 rooly search wiki for sysfs Aug 22 05:58:33 yeah... Aug 22 05:58:46 andrew is a guy i met from koolu Aug 22 05:59:31 ieatlint, but i want to POLL the data Aug 22 05:59:45 there's a guy in here who works at Koolu Aug 22 05:59:48 yeah Aug 22 06:00:07 so cat the /sys files Aug 22 06:00:22 * tunys cats the /sys files for that guys name Aug 22 06:00:26 it'll give you the status Aug 22 06:00:54 right Aug 22 06:00:55 okay Aug 22 06:01:06 i've been cat-ting and it hasn't returned anything so far Aug 22 06:01:14 other things of course Aug 22 06:01:30 which device Aug 22 06:01:38 i don't know Aug 22 06:01:43 just random files in general Aug 22 06:01:59 uhm, ok Aug 22 06:02:03 man, who was that guy? Aug 22 06:02:31 tunys: bricode is the Koolu guy Aug 22 06:02:40 hmm Aug 22 06:02:41 bricode! Aug 22 06:02:43 that's him Aug 22 06:02:44 * rooly thinks of something Aug 22 06:02:56 blue for bt, oj for wifi, purp for gps Aug 22 06:03:00 and it'll be a heartbeat Aug 22 06:03:00 he's not here :( Aug 22 06:03:05 whaday think Aug 22 06:03:16 mmmm,oj Aug 22 06:03:26 well maybe one of you will know--how long does it typically take for Koolu to ship FreeRunners? Aug 22 06:03:33 I heard the info on the site was outdated Aug 22 06:03:36 i got mine in 3 weeks Aug 22 06:03:56 where do you live, rooly? Aug 22 06:04:04 louisiana Aug 22 06:04:14 oic Aug 22 06:04:26 got mine in a week (Canada) Aug 22 06:04:46 how long ago, rooly, mmontour? Aug 22 06:04:56 i ordered on july 7th Aug 22 06:05:08 ordered 2 weeks ago, got it 1 week ago (approximately) Aug 22 06:05:12 got it when i came home, around the 28th or s Aug 22 06:09:52 i ordered mine at bearstech.... Aug 22 06:10:09 they didn't write the house number... Aug 22 06:10:49 i went to linuxworld, grabbed a demo and ran Aug 22 06:12:37 mmontour: nice, liking it? Aug 22 06:14:20 doc|home: so far, about equal parts "liking it" and "swearing at it". Aug 22 06:14:33 hehe Aug 22 06:14:38 sounds about right Aug 22 06:14:58 :) Aug 22 06:15:46 openmoko's new slogan "WHY?!" Aug 22 06:16:50 I'm convinced that at least one senior Openmoko employee must be a covert agent working for one of their competitors. Aug 22 06:25:07 openmoko has competitors? :) Aug 22 06:26:54 yeah Aug 22 06:27:02 apple, nokia, google Aug 22 06:27:05 linmo Aug 22 06:27:07 haha :) Aug 22 06:27:25 all of them trying to make a usable phone Aug 22 06:27:38 apple's phone is pretty usable :) Aug 22 06:27:39 ace--, would you like your led's to be put to use? Aug 22 06:27:47 ok, I think my other display locker files must have been corrupted in copying them to my PC-- redownloaded and they seem to work Aug 22 06:28:28 openmoko is the only opensource phone i could find, and that's the only reason to buy a phone who's software isn't finished yet Aug 22 06:28:38 so the others aren't real competitors :) Aug 22 06:28:40 agreed Aug 22 06:29:00 funny-- the "choice" them has words under each letter... Speech, Thought, Freedom, Expression, Equality, Monkeys Aug 22 06:29:07 true. nokia looks like they might be headed in that direction though. Aug 22 06:29:18 2 years from now only :) Aug 22 06:29:21 I must say, I am far more impressed with this cheap-o Nokia prepaid phone than I am with this Moto RAZR I got from Sprint Aug 22 06:29:25 hehe, yeah :) Aug 22 06:29:41 where is this new slogan? Aug 22 06:31:31 a bunch of alternate themes are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker#Themes Aug 22 06:32:17 I really like the choice theme, but somehow I never noticed "Monkeys" at the end Aug 22 06:33:07 hmm Aug 22 06:33:10 those dont' work on my phone Aug 22 06:33:59 rooly you have to reboot before the new one works supposedly Aug 22 06:34:00 uhh.. estonians just got their legal iphone seller today... the prices are outrageous.. Aug 22 06:34:03 if my bluetooth keyboard shows up in hcitool inq, does that means it's connected? Aug 22 06:34:14 also, now that it's connected, how do i type with it? Aug 22 06:34:21 Infoport, om2008.8 Aug 22 06:34:30 the lock is the [aux] button Aug 22 06:34:40 this is on 2008.8 image Aug 22 06:34:40 rooly ahhh...this is in OM2007 Aug 22 06:34:54 i honestly like 2007 more Aug 22 06:35:00 but it just doesn't work as well Aug 22 06:35:50 rooly: i dunno, i'm still using 2007.2 because i found it more reliable. Aug 22 06:36:06 granted, i haven't tried 2008.8 in about a week... Aug 22 06:36:44 has anyone in here used a bluetooth keyboard with a freerunner? if so, what distro? Aug 22 06:37:27 2007.2 could just "connect" to one from the menu Aug 22 06:37:41 don't know if the newer ones have gui support Aug 22 06:39:31 so Aug 22 06:39:33 this is neat Aug 22 06:39:43 i have 5 bars in my house Aug 22 06:39:50 even tho my house is a dead zone Aug 22 06:39:58 i'll have a vodka martini thanks Aug 22 06:40:47 use gin Aug 22 06:40:54 it's better Aug 22 06:41:20 annd the FR has decent reception Aug 22 06:41:52 note the gsm antenna is on the bottom curve Aug 22 06:43:42 raster: is it true you aussies have egg nog year round? Aug 22 06:43:56 intravenus baby Aug 22 06:44:17 mjr: well i'm connected to it (i think) i did it manually through cli Aug 22 06:44:31 intravenous i mean Aug 22 06:44:32 :) Aug 22 06:44:45 no reallyy, i want to know :P Aug 22 06:45:00 dude... eggnog is some american thnig Aug 22 06:45:12 we drink beer and wine here Aug 22 06:45:23 and wel of course your share of spirits too Aug 22 06:45:40 no, it wass juustt popularised here Aug 22 06:45:48 so when I get my FreeRunner, should I immediately install 2008.8 on it or not? Aug 22 06:46:06 is yellowtail a joke there? Aug 22 06:46:46 'tis the most knoown aussie wine in cali Aug 22 06:47:51 I read a case study about yellowtail :) Aug 22 06:47:53 tunys: not, IMHO. I wasn't impressed by 2008.8 and I'm now trying FSO. Aug 22 06:48:17 someday i need to go to aussieland Aug 22 06:48:18 why didn't you like 2008.8? Aug 22 06:48:46 i want to be deported from each continent Aug 22 06:49:13 ieatlint: its a wine. i know that. dont know anything else for "yellowtail" except that its also a kind of fish. Aug 22 06:50:04 is there some party in australia i don't know about? Aug 22 06:50:13 always Aug 22 06:50:18 speaking of party Aug 22 06:50:22 doh Aug 22 06:50:25 got me one tonight down in the snow... Aug 22 06:50:39 awesome snow season this year Aug 22 06:50:39 shrimp on the barbie Aug 22 06:50:46 too right mate Aug 22 06:50:59 guy from austria was impressed to the point of "it's better than the alps" Aug 22 06:51:08 pfff no snow in aussieland Aug 22 06:51:10 somewhere in the act raster? Aug 22 06:51:11 I find it always amusing to look at christmass pictures from australia (@ the beach :-)) Aug 22 06:51:11 that says something Aug 22 06:51:19 when .au is beating .at in snow. Aug 22 06:51:24 alphabeat: perisher Aug 22 06:51:33 ahhsoo Aug 22 06:51:33 mmontour: helloes? Aug 22 06:51:35 new zealand you mmean Aug 22 06:51:49 alphabeat: well.. i'm in sydney now.. i need to jump in my wheels and voom in a bit Aug 22 06:52:01 hm. almost beer o clock Aug 22 06:52:09 you can't keep still eh? Aug 22 06:52:11 ieatlint: no. this year .au is better than .nz for snow - whihc is very odd. Aug 22 06:52:26 alphabeat: nah. itchy bum. needs to keep wiggling Aug 22 06:52:26 :) Aug 22 06:52:27 afk :) Aug 22 06:52:31 xD Aug 22 06:52:40 tunys: I didn't care for it visually (personal preference) and I didn't see that it offered much additional functionality beyond what 2007.2 had a few months ago. I didn't spend a lot of time with 2008.8 though. Aug 22 06:53:03 oic Aug 22 06:53:33 welll, whenn i visit sydney, i'lll have to terrorise you Aug 22 06:53:33 well it's nice up here in brisbane. beautiful weather ;) did rain a bit today though but the temperature's been nice Aug 22 06:53:57 alphabeat: aaah brissie! Aug 22 06:54:00 The bug density in 2008.8 also seems to be quite high, based on the wiki and mailing lists. Aug 22 06:54:16 had rain here today too Aug 22 06:54:19 sun is just out now tho Aug 22 06:54:23 ok Aug 22 06:54:27 hasn't rained here since march Aug 22 06:54:30 time to blow this popsicle stand Aug 22 06:54:32 almost 5 Aug 22 06:54:49 mmontour: yeah, some of these are pretty scary Aug 22 06:55:15 I guess I'll stick with 2007.2 for a little bit Aug 22 06:55:18 what are you up to in sydney ieatlint? Aug 22 06:55:29 aren't you in SF? Aug 22 06:55:33 mmontour: how ya likin' FSO Aug 22 06:55:44 i am Aug 22 06:56:22 i intend to visit sydney in thhe next two years Aug 22 06:56:35 ok, off to rest my back...I need a recliner for my computer Aug 22 06:56:48 i love western culture... Aug 22 06:57:04 it's alright i guess Aug 22 06:57:21 Looks nice so far, but I'm just starting to read about how it's put together (frameworkd, gsm0710muxd, etc). Also I still haven't been able to build a working fso-image myself. Aug 22 06:57:50 pplastic money freaks :;Pp Aug 22 06:59:17 popsicle time! Aug 22 07:08:17 jesus man Aug 22 07:08:31 my phone has been having 5 bars in a 0-bar area for the past 4 hours now Aug 22 07:08:36 no idea why Aug 22 07:09:08 could be stale data Aug 22 07:09:24 mmontour: oic Aug 22 07:09:25 does sh or bash have a goto? Aug 22 07:09:34 or your other phone sucks ass Aug 22 07:09:51 no, ieatlint, all the other phones dont' connect Aug 22 07:10:00 all the other 400$ ones included Aug 22 07:10:05 rooly: ... hehe Aug 22 07:10:07 and btw, its not stale data Aug 22 07:10:11 goto Aug 22 07:10:13 i can hear the gsm in the speakers Aug 22 07:10:21 goto? it does? Aug 22 07:10:31 kk, it's not highlighted in gedit Aug 22 07:10:33 C has goto! Aug 22 07:10:39 yeah, i know Aug 22 07:10:39 :P Aug 22 07:11:53 sorry, gooto has this never use reputation iin programming Aug 22 07:12:09 but not scripting! Aug 22 07:12:22 try it on a bash terminal Aug 22 07:12:28 type goto Aug 22 07:12:46 if it says cmd not found... Aug 22 07:13:00 not found... Aug 22 07:13:09 GOTO :HELL Aug 22 07:13:19 why are you using goto? Aug 22 07:13:35 http://xkcd.com/292/ Aug 22 07:13:52 learn pythhonn or php Aug 22 07:14:08 php sucks Aug 22 07:14:18 just put the code you're going to goto in another shell script Aug 22 07:14:25 says you Aug 22 07:14:41 i want to cycle the script Aug 22 07:14:48 * rooly &'s it Aug 22 07:15:36 rooly: while true? Aug 22 07:15:45 shell script Aug 22 07:15:58 * rooly just &'s it at the end of the script Aug 22 07:16:23 shellls havee whie truue Aug 22 07:17:03 hmm Aug 22 07:17:10 a 5 second heartbeat Aug 22 07:17:15 good morning Aug 22 07:17:32 goto is bad because therexare better ways to do it 99% of the time Aug 22 07:18:00 of course Aug 22 07:18:16 100% of the time, or your programming language is incomplete.... Aug 22 07:18:47 like omledd.sh: ...... #finished, sleep 10, omledd.sh & Aug 22 07:20:24 rooly, you said you know soome c? Aug 22 07:20:48 i'm a c/c++ programmer Aug 22 07:21:01 and apparently, i can totally fsck up python code Aug 22 07:21:16 so why not use c? Aug 22 07:21:25 cause it takes too long Aug 22 07:21:47 uhm, ok Aug 22 07:23:55 writing this in c would be like pulling using a coast-guard boat to rescue someone from a swimming pool Aug 22 07:24:04 i mean yeah, it'll get done, but why use all that power Aug 22 07:25:27 because it works efficiently Aug 22 07:25:56 c isnn't overkiill Aug 22 07:26:37 for this it is Aug 22 07:26:41 i'll show you Aug 22 07:26:47 when you use bash to call 5 programs/.. they're all writtn in c Aug 22 07:27:07 http://rafb.net/p/M9vZGS11.html Aug 22 07:27:14 why write that in c Aug 22 07:27:59 that's too much effort to looad Aug 22 07:28:13 ...? Aug 22 07:28:17 i'm still on the neo Aug 22 07:28:20 lol Aug 22 07:28:26 i could use pastebin Aug 22 07:28:27 in gprs Aug 22 07:28:29 this is rafb Aug 22 07:28:38 no Aug 22 07:28:41 bash on a phone? Aug 22 07:28:52 hmm that must be phone that needs 2 minutes to boot.. Aug 22 07:28:53 bash, sh, ksh, ash, bsh, etc Aug 22 07:29:02 it's putting the url in minimo Aug 22 07:29:06 * rooly snickers at DieMumiee's truthful comment Aug 22 07:29:10 ic, ieatlint Aug 22 07:29:14 want an easier one? Aug 22 07:29:31 i dunno Aug 22 07:29:43 been drinking Aug 22 07:29:52 hennce typos Aug 22 07:31:06 http://tinyurl.com/5kfw77 Aug 22 07:31:19 privmsg if short? Aug 22 07:31:28 31 lines Aug 22 07:31:31 you don't mind? Aug 22 07:38:04 looks like Qi (kboot) is ready for GTA02 Aug 22 07:38:17 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-August/004643.html Aug 22 07:40:13 right Aug 22 07:40:26 * rooly is currently testing whether his heartbeat works will on standby Aug 22 07:43:11 do it in c Aug 22 07:43:32 it's not overkill Aug 22 07:43:52 but it's so much fun this way Aug 22 07:44:12 just use fopen... just as cat does Aug 22 07:44:36 * rooly uses cat as his text editor Aug 22 07:45:40 use ed Aug 22 07:45:48 BUTTERFLIES! Aug 22 07:45:59 no seriously Aug 22 07:46:01 this is crazy Aug 22 07:46:04 ... Aug 22 07:46:08 my house is a dead zone Aug 22 07:46:11 and i have 5 bars Aug 22 07:46:13 WTF! Aug 22 07:46:35 is there a kernel patch to overclock the gta02? Aug 22 07:46:40 be happy Aug 22 07:48:41 i am Aug 22 07:48:45 but i have yet to try and call anyone Aug 22 07:58:02 What is the terminal package called for 2008.8 Aug 22 07:59:45 Nvm, found it Aug 22 08:03:50 righto Aug 22 08:03:53 this seems to be working Aug 22 08:05:43 just need to see if it works in suspend Aug 22 08:07:34 nope Aug 22 08:07:36 * rooly sighs Aug 22 08:07:46 anyone know how to make programs work during suspend? Aug 22 08:08:58 hi - has anyone worked with sms messages in PDU encoding? Aug 22 08:09:27 maybe that person who wrote "smstool" Aug 22 08:10:50 ruxpin: I'm currently working on PDU support in ogsmd Aug 22 08:11:31 does someone tried to install Debian ? Here the install.sh script ends at the debian stage with 'E: Internal error: install' ! Can someone help me ? Aug 22 08:12:19 can smstool convert between PDU and text formats? Aug 22 08:13:14 alphaone: I'm working with AT commands and kermit, and I need to create an sms service backed with a database Aug 22 08:13:34 oooo Aug 22 08:13:46 neat, an sms-sending server Aug 22 08:14:02 but alas, i say aduei Aug 22 08:14:05 nn Aug 22 08:15:24 I was reading through PDU references and was thinking perhaps I don't need to reinvent the wheel Aug 22 08:23:17 PDU: Power distribution unit? Aug 22 08:32:04 ruxpin: Sounds interesting. Aug 22 08:32:11 Sargun: Payload Data Unit Aug 22 08:32:19 oh Aug 22 08:32:59 lol @ nick ruxpin Aug 22 08:33:54 ruxpin: There's some free software out there for that purpose... Haven't really played with it much, though Aug 22 08:40:55 can you send/recieve phone calls while online using gprs? Aug 22 08:47:06 sirkha_top: You can't have both at the same time, no Aug 22 08:47:14 Not with the FR at least Aug 22 08:48:28 ah, too bad, alphaone Aug 22 08:48:49 but with other phones that would be possible? Aug 22 08:48:50 is there a way to suck all the contacts and sms messages off a sim card into vcards or something? Aug 22 08:49:18 pabs3: python? Aug 22 08:49:51 python would be fine, I'm using the FSO stack on a Debian install Aug 22 08:50:17 i know of scripts that will allow importation of vcards to evolution data server, it shouldn't be that hard to go the other way around Aug 22 08:50:38 i don't know of any scripts that do it, though Aug 22 08:50:46 *has school or would play with it* Aug 22 08:50:52 I mean off a sim card, evolution is easy to get stuff out of Aug 22 08:51:30 right, you should be able to use the framework Aug 22 08:52:05 how does one get .ipk-packages installed on debian? (: Aug 22 08:56:11 pabs3: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook() Aug 22 08:56:35 i'd tell you if it works, but my sim doesn't have any contacts on it Aug 22 09:05:30 xt: one packages them for debian. tar xzvf foo-1.23.tar.gz && cd foo-1.23 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i ../foo*.deb Aug 22 09:06:01 D-fence: please report that to pkg-fso-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org with all the information you can give Aug 22 09:06:16 ok Aug 22 09:15:47 hello everybody, anyone have an idea why, after reflashing uboot, root-partition and kernel, my freerunner manage to boot using nor flash and get a kernel panic with nand ? (kernel and / in 20080424, uboot in uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin) Aug 22 09:40:09 lindi: it worked by changing the mirror to ftp.de.debian.org. So, I think that I don't have to fill a bug. Aug 22 09:45:35 is an app available that can handle push-mail? Aug 22 09:46:18 and is there an app that can count the traffic on a given device every month and lock after exceeding it? (i have a gprs-limit of 200mb) Aug 22 09:48:11 tomboy64: dont think so Aug 22 09:48:21 for both? :-S Aug 22 09:48:24 mm Aug 22 09:48:34 meh Aug 22 09:48:39 * tomboy64 sulks Aug 22 09:49:02 tomboy64: it's still really early in development Aug 22 09:49:07 :-D Aug 22 09:49:11 i know, i know Aug 22 09:54:51 hmmm, I wonder what it means when the FSO stack returns a bunch of uppercase hex instead of the text of a message Aug 22 09:59:39 are there any directions on how to add starters to illumes application list? Aug 22 10:28:01 puh i am definately disappointed by the illume environment... if i wanted to use another windowmanager that i know better like fvwm - is there a reasonable way to get a keyboard like illume's Full-QWERTY.kbd running as a standalone app? Aug 22 10:31:32 rep: < lindi-> raster: hi, any idea how tighly tied illume keyboard is to enlightenment? ;) Aug 22 10:31:35 rep: < raster> lindi-: entirely Aug 22 10:32:13 rep: i am struggling with the keyboard issue too. i wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel but existing keyboards all have issues :P Aug 22 10:34:18 jeah... Aug 22 10:34:25 that's sad news Aug 22 10:39:13 rep: i modified matchbox a bit too just to experiment Aug 22 10:39:29 rep: and tried vkbd demo of e Aug 22 10:39:46 rep: do you know C? Aug 22 10:43:21 well i am not the c expert, but wrote a good amount of code myself jeah :D Aug 22 10:44:23 matchbox keyboard looks quite good on the first look Aug 22 10:45:59 i'll get a plain debian running here now... the om 2008-08 is a little too packed with stuff i don't want :) Aug 22 10:47:54 rep: yesterday i thought i could make a completely invisible virtual keyboard that highlights the key when you touch the screen, this way you can use whole screen for normal apps and you don't need to do any fancy transparency stuff which might be slow Aug 22 10:48:50 mmh won't that be tough to type with? Aug 22 10:49:05 rep: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/keyboard/ is a prototype that tests 1) grabbing mouse so that other apps don't receive clicks when it is in use 2) moving a small popup window around the screen 3) sending key events to xterm using libfakekey Aug 22 10:49:35 sounds good - i'll take a look Aug 22 10:49:37 rep: i'd think you'll learn where the keys are quite fast, and you can always move your finger around until you highlight the right key :) Aug 22 10:50:09 rep: it was written in 15 minutes just to see that i can get all the necessary functionality using gtk Aug 22 10:50:15 okay :) Aug 22 10:50:41 rep: also, maybe i could get lower latency by reading from touchscreen directly and not via X? Aug 22 10:51:48 could be possible.. but i don't know if one can access this while in X directly... Aug 22 11:19:43 if I want to change the defaualt 2007.2 wallpaper how would I do that? Aug 22 11:48:49 Pjj: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -s /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper -t string /home/root/wallpaper.jpg Aug 22 11:56:52 What is the 'additional software required' for a web browser on 2008.8 ? Aug 22 11:57:40 minimo seems to have a dependency problem. Aug 22 12:19:31 On 2008.8, I've replaced Default.kbd with Terminal.kbd but after every reboot (or resume), the old keyboard is back. Aug 22 12:19:41 How do I make this permanent ? Aug 22 12:21:29 install illume-config and change between both kb's and it will save it Aug 22 12:23:23 dns53: illume-config doesn't show the terminal keyboard as an option. It has Default or None. Aug 22 12:24:02 change it to none,then change it to default Aug 22 12:24:18 After replacing Default.kbd ? Aug 22 12:24:34 yes Aug 22 12:34:39 is there some documented procedure to report bugs? I'd like to file this (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-May/001647.html) as I can reproduce it as well Aug 22 12:37:44 enrico: just bugs.openmoko.org Aug 22 12:49:41 Does anybody know is there a Wiki page on the Contacts app in OM2008.08? Trying to find is there a search feature. Aug 22 12:52:13 lindi-: can you maybe tell me where I can get such base.qemu file for qemubuilder/pbuilder from? I can't find anything about it.. :/ Aug 22 13:04:33 lindi-: thanks Aug 22 13:09:57 which ttySAC was the gps again... Aug 22 13:11:14 /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 22 13:24:15 naaarf... Aug 22 13:24:47 wpa_supplicant, wpa_cli... but no wpa_action Aug 22 13:25:14 what's wpa_action? never heard of it Aug 22 13:26:23 a script to configure addresses and stuff on the wlan interface, after wpa_supplicant associated and authenticated to an AP Aug 22 13:26:48 developed by debian wpasupplicant maintainers Aug 22 13:28:13 lindi-: qtopia 2008-08-08 seems to have two keyboards in their distribution - the first one is exactly the illume keyboard of OM2008-08-08 and the second one is a grey full-qwerty keyboard - maybe it is actually possible to decouple illume's keyboard? i am trying to find out what this is in detail ... Aug 22 13:28:34 rep: that might be the matchbox-one. Aug 22 13:29:36 the second one looks like the matchbox one Aug 22 13:29:45 that's what I mean Aug 22 13:30:27 but the first keyboard's behaviour is the same that illume's has. that would be indicating one can use this keyboard in other wm's... Aug 22 13:30:37 it was told before one could not. Aug 22 13:30:44 that's why i was wondering... Aug 22 13:50:55 <|Marco|> something has been done in one of the repositorys that has to do with freerunner that does so touchscreen is'nt working anymore Aug 22 13:52:22 rep: thanks Aug 22 13:52:40 rep: what vm does qtopia use? Aug 22 13:52:43 wm Aug 22 13:53:04 framebuffer? :-) Aug 22 13:53:31 Tanuva: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner has setup instructions for qemubuilder Aug 22 13:53:49 ike: that's what i'm thinking too, so how can illume keyboard work there? Aug 22 13:54:29 lindi: not sure really. Try at #qtopia@freenode. Aug 22 13:55:14 lindi-: yes, I just found out that it builds the base.qemu by itself- now it's missing "execlp", I'm researching... >.< Aug 22 13:55:46 thought I had to provide base.qemu by myself Aug 22 13:56:42 Tanuva: fortunately you don't have to :) Aug 22 13:57:09 Tanuva: i think i'll add hint to wiki about moving the configuration file to ~/.pbuilder so that you don't need to specify it all the time Aug 22 13:57:19 mjr, dns53: are you sure that gps is /dev/ttySAC1 ? Aug 22 13:57:40 lindi-: good idea :) Aug 22 13:59:21 mmaestri that's what i use for gpsd and tango gps Aug 22 14:03:46 argh, can't find execlp anywhere >.< Aug 22 14:06:22 Is illume unavailable from zecke's repo ? Aug 22 14:06:40 It's in the Packages.gz but not at the server. Aug 22 14:06:53 (so I get a 404) Aug 22 14:07:40 Tanuva: unistd.h? Aug 22 14:13:58 any windowmaker users / Aug 22 14:23:13 I'm executing AT commands on a GSM device through kermit and /dev/ttyUSB. Why I get the "OK" return before all of the data (like a list of SMS messages, AT+CMGL=..) is being sent to the terminal? Aug 22 14:24:23 "ok, i'm on it" perhaps? Aug 22 14:24:25 iduno Aug 22 14:25:43 the problem is that there is no second "OK, listing finished" Aug 22 14:26:06 I'll have to wait for RSSI or BOOT which the driver seems to be giving quite frequently Aug 22 14:26:30 but sometimes those may interfere the listing => fail Aug 22 14:30:02 ruxpin: why do you torture your openmoko with such proprietary software? i'd start cli-frameworkd and type gsm.DebugCommand("at+clir?\r\n") Aug 22 14:33:48 lindi-: I'm not working on openmoko unfortunately Aug 22 14:34:28 lindi-: unistd.h is in /usr/include... but what does pbuilder want to do with it? http://rafb.net/p/cJtveT26.html Aug 22 14:34:37 $ Aug 22 14:34:55 Tanuva: odd Aug 22 14:35:22 Tanuva: it tries to execlp some binary and that binary is missing? Aug 22 14:36:06 Tanuva: if that happens outside qemu (i think it does) you could just strace to see which one returns ENOENT? Aug 22 14:38:12 lindi-: omg. it's debootstrap itself it couldn't find. apt solved the problem for me Aug 22 14:38:25 sometimes I feel kinda dumb on solving problems... Aug 22 14:39:07 Tanuva: hah :) is it mentioned in the wiki? Aug 22 14:39:41 lindi-: no Aug 22 14:40:40 it's not even dependency+ Aug 22 14:41:52 Tanuva: do you have debian unstable? Aug 22 14:43:51 lindi-: yep, sidux Aug 22 14:44:16 sidux+ Aug 22 14:44:44 ah some livecd Aug 22 14:44:51 wtf??? Aug 22 14:44:57 no, they just provide a livecd Aug 22 14:45:03 Where's bricode? :( Aug 22 14:45:22 it's debian sid extended with some very useful maintenance scripts and controlled d-u path Aug 22 14:45:40 the livecd is including the disk installer Aug 22 14:45:43 Tanuva: qemubuilder depends on qemu and qemu recommends debootstrap Aug 22 14:45:52 ah Aug 22 14:46:04 I had qemu here for quite some time, seems I missed that then Aug 22 14:46:13 but maybe that should be a dependency Aug 22 14:46:19 and not recommmends: line Aug 22 14:46:33 at least for qemubuilder that would be nessecary Aug 22 14:47:41 hallo Aug 22 14:47:53 Tanuva: you can use qemubuilder with image made by somebody else Aug 22 14:48:01 Tanuva: anyways, i reported this as a bug to debian Aug 22 14:48:18 hi Aug 22 14:48:33 how do i see battery level from terminal? Aug 22 14:49:03 admiral0: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage Aug 22 14:49:37 works on the preinstalled image?(thanks) Aug 22 14:49:46 lindi-: okay... it hangs again after some additional mkfs run... Aug 22 14:49:49 admiral0: which one is the preinstalled image? Aug 22 14:49:55 lindi-: do you know a source for such an image file? Aug 22 14:49:58 admiral0: some old 2007.2? Aug 22 14:50:24 Tanuva: i'd say we rather should fix the build first Aug 22 14:50:26 lindi- yes Aug 22 14:50:50 admiral0: doesn't work there then :/ Aug 22 14:51:05 in fact... mdbus not found :D Aug 22 14:51:21 lindi-: hmm. okay. I have to mow the lawn now, brb in half an hour I think. Then I'm going to start over to see if it was just me :) Aug 22 14:51:31 i'll put 2008.08 Aug 22 14:51:42 admiral0: i have tested this only on debian Aug 22 14:51:50 as soon as it finishes first charge Aug 22 14:53:50 the battery seems full on the ui... ok... i Aug 22 14:53:57 i can continue Aug 22 14:54:10 thanks again Aug 22 15:00:52 how do I check which uboot version I've installed on my freerunner ? Aug 22 15:01:06 banshee fonctionne jusqu'au moment où on appuie sur play, ça plante après un bruit de caserole. Aug 22 15:01:17 some command from boot console Aug 22 15:04:14 oops, wrong channel Aug 22 15:06:23 sorry Aug 22 15:06:23 try logging into boot console & typing help Aug 22 15:06:23 Nevermind. Aug 22 15:06:23 wtf moment over Aug 22 15:06:23 and another one ... I can see a tiny soldering mark between the 4th and 5th ping of my sd card. This is documented to be the workaround for the GPS problem. Is this now fixed in the factory ? I got my freerunner just yesterday... Aug 22 15:07:48 I need $100. Aug 22 15:07:48 munga is there a cap there? Aug 22 15:07:48 I know this nigerian who can get you $100k Aug 22 15:07:48 heh Aug 22 15:07:48 kd8ikt: a cap ? Aug 22 15:07:48 in broken english/engrish (some old man is dying and i need 100$ to het 10000$ will you give me the money and i'll give you all of the 10000 Aug 22 15:07:48 kd8ikt: good idea Aug 22 15:07:48 I know plenty of people who would fall for that Aug 22 15:07:59 i even got hit with spam stories like that when i put my laptop on craigslist Aug 22 15:08:18 you can always tell by the terrible syntax Aug 22 15:08:29 Morover it seem I can boot the freerunner without the battery contrary to what I read about the battery problem that can't boot is the battery is dry ... Aug 22 15:08:46 when the battery is dry I mean Aug 22 15:09:32 like this one story i should have kept cause it was funny, they were like overseas and wanted it for their daughter then later it says for his son... Aug 22 15:09:51 what you cant remember the lie you just made up? Aug 22 15:10:15 check the grammar and continuity of the story for christ sake Aug 22 15:10:48 i should learn whatever language they use and hit em back Aug 22 15:17:20 munga_ really? that's great! do you boot with it on USB and no battery, or just on the power cord and no battery? Aug 22 15:18:10 usb and no battery ... Aug 22 15:18:24 I didn't try with the powercord yet... just a moment. Aug 22 15:20:01 it also works with the power cord and no battery... :) Aug 22 15:20:41 * johnsu01 is jealous Aug 22 15:20:56 I had to go buy a spare battery and go through that whole rigmarole Aug 22 15:21:07 Infoport: I was kind of surprised since the HW problem are just the first thing in your face on the wiki Aug 22 15:21:40 the datecode on my freerunner is 20080728 Aug 22 15:26:31 does the openmoko automatically turn on if its fully charged? Aug 22 15:27:45 munga_: what board revsion do you have (shown in "cat /proc/cpuinfo")? Mine (v5) will not boot with the battery removed. Aug 22 15:29:14 ok...been out of the loop for a while...trying to catch up...how do the images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ differ from the 2008.8/ASU? Aug 22 15:29:17 USB3 mobile connector. Aug 22 15:29:19 http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/usb3/usb3_05_full.jpg Aug 22 15:29:32 Because that doesn't look horribly fragile and hard to align at all. Aug 22 15:30:48 wouldn't the qtopia-x11 builds on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ be the same as an updated 2008.8? Aug 22 15:33:49 Xaos: see topic! Aug 22 15:34:37 mwester: I'm not talking about upgrading...I'm talking about flashing the images that are there Aug 22 15:34:47 mmontour: I'm flashing the device atm... give me 20 mins... Aug 22 15:34:51 I assume the topic is talking about an opkg update? Aug 22 15:34:54 You can flash them, but they are NOT 2008.8 Aug 22 15:35:27 There was a discussion on the mailing list (devel list I think). Aug 22 15:36:54 I've stopped working on 2008.8; until the confusion gets sorted and someone can tell me CLEARLY what to do to build the correct sources to duplicate the official 2008.8 releases, I figure I'm just wasting time. It's just too confusing with too many build systems. Aug 22 15:37:26 Xaos apparently there is yet another fork distribution, called buildhost.openmoko.org and it is the qtopia-x11 builds on buildhost Aug 22 15:37:40 hello everybody, anyone have an idea why, after reflashing uboot, root-partition and kernel, my freerunner manage to boot using nor flash and get a kernel panic with nand ? (kernel and / in 20080424, uboot in uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin) Aug 22 15:38:01 is it possible to compare env status of nand and nor ? Aug 22 15:38:53 connect to the u-boot console (/dev/ttyACM0) and run "printenv" Aug 22 15:39:22 transylvania I had a problem after changing things recently and got same panics-- I reflashed uboot, uboot_env, and the others, and got it back working (inc the SD card boot, which had stopped too for some reason, but came back after just changing the others) Aug 22 15:40:27 Infoport: the problem is that this is not coming back for me Aug 22 15:40:31 is there an AT command that gives you the friendly name of the current link tower cell id? Aug 22 15:40:41 mmontour: I will post this in a pastebin Aug 22 15:41:00 OK. Look at the "bootcmd" variable in particular. Aug 22 15:43:24 mmontour: http://pastebin.com/d22128e6f Aug 22 15:43:35 bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 Aug 22 15:45:07 for beginning I don't see the interest of menu 3/5 abd 2/4 duplication Aug 22 15:46:05 s/abd/and/ Aug 22 15:46:05 transylvania meant: for beginning I don't see the interest of menu 3/5 and 2/4 duplication Aug 22 15:46:26 bootargs_base is wrong, should have root=/dev/mtdblock6. Aug 22 15:46:29 funny bot :) Aug 22 15:47:42 mmontour: can I change this "online" or must I rebuild a u-boot_env with envedit.pl ? Aug 22 15:48:34 also take out the "console=ttySAC0,115200". Just use "setenv bootargs_base ..." to set it to the right value, then "saveenv". Aug 22 15:49:19 It looks like you flashed an environment partition from a Neo1973 instead of a Freerunner. Aug 22 15:49:41 ok Aug 22 15:50:05 this is possible, I can have made a mistake choosing my file Aug 22 15:50:09 trnasylvania I had to do the flash from it at the uboot menu first -- none of them were coming up for me either. Probably my uboot_env was borked Aug 22 15:50:30 apt are you crazy Aug 22 15:50:58 apt how are you today? Aug 22 15:51:00 Infoport: what are you talking about? Aug 22 15:51:23 apt I'm talking about enjoying a Neo Freerunner Aug 22 15:51:40 apt have you heard of Eliza? Aug 22 15:51:55 apt doesnt want to talk much today Aug 22 15:52:11 aot goodbye! Aug 22 15:52:15 apt goodbye! Aug 22 15:52:16 L8rz! Aug 22 15:54:30 it's shy :) Aug 22 15:54:54 is "bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot" good ? mmontour Aug 22 15:55:11 or is the dot after 6 important ? Aug 22 15:56:53 should work, although I'm not sure what that "regular_boot" at the end does. You can boot into NOR and "printenv" there for comparison. Aug 22 15:57:06 I can't check my FR right now because my battery is discharged. Aug 22 15:57:10 mwester: belated thanks....manager came up to "talk" for a few... Aug 22 15:58:51 mmontour: my nor line: bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 regular_boot Aug 22 15:59:04 * apt holds widrone to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails, courtesy of widrone Aug 22 16:00:04 are the log more verbose or less thise loglevel increase ? Aug 22 16:00:54 probably best to use that same line in NAND. I think the "8" is the more verbose loglevel but I'm not sure. Aug 22 16:02:51 I will keep loglevel to 4 and just console=tty Aug 22 16:03:06 my worst problem is the root I think Aug 22 16:03:52 yeah, that's the one that stopped you from booting. The "console=ttySAC0" might have messed up your GSM. Aug 22 16:04:53 afk for a while Aug 22 16:05:15 wtf ?! "## Error: illegal character '=' in variable name "bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2" Aug 22 16:06:05 if you're doing a setenv you don't put the first "=", so "setenv bootargs_base rootfstype=jffs 2..." Aug 22 16:06:12 ok, off to try to get Brews Festival tickets! Aug 22 16:08:35 rebooting ... Aug 22 16:08:44 seems really better Aug 22 16:08:52 thanks for your help Aug 22 16:08:58 lindi-: mk2fs hangs again on the second time it's called... if I kill the qemubuilder process, it continues doing something.. Aug 22 16:10:39 Tanuva: weird Aug 22 16:10:56 Tanuva: can you try this on a real system instead of livecd? Aug 22 16:11:01 Important question: Where is the ScummVM port for FSU? Aug 22 16:11:41 O Aug 22 16:13:05 lindi-: this IS my real system, as I said before the livecd is just there to try it out and to run the installer Aug 22 16:13:19 ah Aug 22 16:14:41 MrShleee: Have a look here maybe: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=37116&package_id=29373&release_id=579019 Aug 22 16:14:55 excellent, I have a working boot menu Aug 22 16:15:10 MrShleee: Atleast they got arm compiled ipks. Not saying its a drop in and go, but its a start =P Aug 22 16:15:25 with 200804 on the internal memory, 2008.8 on the sdcard Aug 22 16:15:37 and only one console redirection off each type Aug 22 16:25:30 has anyone installed debian on the freerunner Aug 22 16:26:16 lloyd_fedora: A bunch of people got it working at DebConf. Aug 22 16:27:26 I'm actually running it Aug 22 16:27:32 there's an installer script available Aug 22 16:28:03 Tanuva: when i run the script it stops .. cause it runs out of space Aug 22 16:28:19 then your card is too small :) Aug 22 16:28:53 afaik there's no easy way to shrink the basic install manually... Aug 22 16:29:17 Tanuva: the 512 mb .. it stops while downloading the first file .. cdebootstrap.deb Aug 22 16:29:51 is there already data on it? Aug 22 16:30:16 Tanuva: no Aug 22 16:31:09 hmm... it just worked for me, can't help there very much... Aug 22 16:32:35 Tanuva: k Aug 22 16:40:40 hi folks Aug 22 16:41:55 which browser can I use with the freerunner qtopia image ? Aug 22 16:42:24 what a pitty we have so little NOR flash http://axfs.sourceforge.net/ I allways wanted to have excute in place rom. Aug 22 16:43:59 munga_, you are using qtopia right? is there a way to have another keyboard? those that come by default suck big time Aug 22 16:44:34 cga ... I'm flushing the qtopia image ... I haven't tried it yet... Aug 22 16:44:56 munga_, ok =) (you'll be happy about it... it *works* pretty well) Aug 22 16:46:09 cga which browser do you use ? Aug 22 16:46:19 and for the GPS ? Aug 22 16:46:27 no browser atm and no gps Aug 22 16:46:44 flashed yesterday still have to rav up Aug 22 16:46:57 not even recompiliing a QT application ? Aug 22 16:48:38 I'm thinking about konqueror for example... Aug 22 16:55:32 anybody have a working url to get tangogps to work with googlemaps? Aug 22 16:55:42 the ones on te site of tangogps and on the ML don't work Aug 22 16:59:00 sorry.. how do i change the keyboard on the 2008.08? Aug 22 17:03:02 admiral0: there is no possibility.. oh god yes the wikipedia Aug 22 17:05:03 where was this rightclick-modified tslib.ipkg from? Aug 22 17:06:17 Zorkman: tangogps works with googlemaps?! Aug 22 17:06:50 I had been thinking it would be easy to make it do so, and very convenient to have satelite images for hiking, but I had no idea someone had already done it Aug 22 17:11:28 i'm trying to flush the cache, but whenever i do the following instruction, i get 'illegal instruction' (it compiles though) Aug 22 17:11:33 mcr p15, 0, r0, c7, c7, 0 Aug 22 17:11:37 (r0 contains 0) Aug 22 17:11:41 anyone have an idea? Aug 22 17:11:47 lol... i didn't find it before.. now i've found it (and a little bit of courtesy doesn't hurt) Aug 22 17:14:05 hello Aug 22 17:14:15 how can i get this nice keyboard: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/QEMU_messages_keyboard.png ? Aug 22 17:14:35 I've only found instructions for the matchbox keyboard Aug 22 17:14:44 oh taht's oldskool Aug 22 17:15:30 hm Aug 22 17:15:43 white_gecko: that was one of the first images i've seen of openmoko Aug 22 17:15:48 but it is nicer and better to use then the matchbox Aug 22 17:15:50 thing Aug 22 17:16:01 and that's one of the things that i liked better... Aug 22 17:16:11 i also had openmoko in qemu first with this keyboard Aug 22 17:16:20 i think it was the best keyboard Aug 22 17:16:20 looks nice and intuitive Aug 22 17:16:26 (not the best inputmethod) Aug 22 17:18:18 Anyone know a good tutorial for E using python? Aug 22 17:18:50 who is "E" is it somethink like "R"? Aug 22 17:19:03 white_gecko: enlightenment? Aug 22 17:19:32 aha Aug 22 17:19:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language) Aug 22 17:20:04 Nah, I just want to build gui apps for 2008.8 Aug 22 17:20:08 found it, apparently prior to armv6 you can't do mcr in user mode, bah Aug 22 17:20:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(programming_language) Aug 22 17:20:16 And I'm not too fond of gtk Aug 22 17:20:56 wurp2|working: gtk is not so bad, as soon as you use a good language (pygtk for example) Aug 22 17:21:29 so are there only the numberpad and the matchbox-keyboard for input? Aug 22 17:21:43 I did some pygtk Aug 22 17:21:47 And I have a totally trivial gui Aug 22 17:22:00 that you can watch repaint after a simple change Aug 22 17:22:19 repaint should be too fast to see... and in fact the repaint slows it down enough to impact the user Aug 22 17:22:32 I wrote the fast charge checker script Aug 22 17:22:45 (which I have not yet ported to run on FR, just gta01 for now) Aug 22 17:23:11 hey guys.. is it possible to make virtual packages with opkg-build? so that it just no files in but, but it installs other dependend packages? Aug 22 17:23:21 -but Aug 22 17:23:22 well, I'm sorry but I don't know how gtk works on openmoko Aug 22 17:25:04 tuXXX: I don't wanna know; I want to redo the gui in E :-) Aug 22 17:27:11 wurp2|working: yes it does (apparently, but i can't get it to workà Aug 22 17:27:22 I tried to understand a small app wrote some time ago with efl, and I think it was really hard to do something with it. However, this was using low-level elements, so maybe this is easier if something like "widgets" exist Aug 22 17:28:03 tuXXX: I just need to cover the screen in buttons Aug 22 17:28:15 wurp2|working: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html Aug 22 17:28:26 It should be easy to do even with just displaying an image of a set size (the whole screen) and processing low level touch events) Aug 22 17:28:36 Zorkman: Thanks Aug 22 17:29:09 if it works for you, let me know :) Aug 22 17:29:42 Zorkman, ! Aug 22 17:30:01 hi cga Aug 22 17:30:07 =) Aug 22 17:30:14 my phone tells thinks like this while "opkg upgrade" http://paste.debian.net/15388/ Aug 22 17:30:40 i don't know if this is normal Aug 22 17:31:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NXP_PCF50633 Aug 22 17:32:01 the pcf50633 seems to be a power management chip Aug 22 17:32:20 hm Aug 22 17:32:36 irq=53 was irq=50 before Aug 22 17:33:03 mybe there is a progress? Aug 22 17:33:23 or should i reboot from ssh? Aug 22 17:34:27 now it is black Aug 22 17:34:37 but ssh still works Aug 22 17:35:47 Does anyone know where to get a package of openmoko-mail and its deps? Aug 22 17:36:33 jucs: is there even one? The only thing i know of in this regard is some fantasy written down in the wiki Aug 22 17:36:45 I saw a screenshot... Aug 22 17:37:04 well then, i would be interested too :) Aug 22 17:37:09 https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/Screenshot-1.png?rev=1&root=openmoko-mail&view=markup Aug 22 17:37:35 There are binaries, too - but in the end I gave up with the deps.. Aug 22 17:38:28 Anyway - If you get this to work, tell me :-P :-P :-P Aug 22 18:08:55 i get the error: * Package tangogps md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Aug 22 18:09:10 when i try # opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 22 18:09:26 it also tells me "Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest." Aug 22 18:09:29 waht is wrong? Aug 22 18:10:29 My wild-ass guess is that you have two repositories that advertise having the same version of tangoGPS, but in fact they have different checksums Aug 22 18:10:57 aha Aug 22 18:11:16 so i'll try # opkg install tangogps Aug 22 18:11:27 Oh Aug 22 18:11:30 yeah Aug 22 18:11:37 ok it works thankyou Aug 22 18:11:50 Apparently I'm reading comprehension deficient; I didn't even notice that you were installing by ipk file Aug 22 18:11:54 You're welcome Aug 22 18:12:15 That sounds like a bug in opkg to me Aug 22 18:12:36 wurp2|working: have you seen xapi? Aug 22 18:12:36 It shouldn't try to use the repository checksum to check something installed from an ipk file Aug 22 18:12:37 Does anyone if it's possible to buy some extra cases for the freerunner? Aug 22 18:12:42 UndrWater2: nope Aug 22 18:12:47 In case one braeks... Aug 22 18:13:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_GPS Aug 22 18:15:59 wurp2|working: i was talking to #osm folks about problems i was having getting data from OSM...they referred me to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmxapi Aug 22 18:31:52 UndrWater2: Hrm, it sounds as if you can do away with my script :-) Aug 22 18:32:15 If you figure out the exact syntax, you might remove my script from the wiki & replace it with the one line wget command Aug 22 18:32:31 Or update the script, but I think the script would end up being almost a do-nothing at that point Aug 22 18:33:00 I'm bad at asking for help Aug 22 18:33:30 When I can't seem to get the screw to go in, I get a bigger hammer rather than asking someone if there's a screwdriver handy Aug 22 18:35:40 Is any file manager for the freerunner out there? Aug 22 18:39:20 ok...anyone got a good fix for python-pycairo being empty? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1830 Aug 22 18:39:32 I assume I need to find a good package of it...any ideas? Aug 22 18:41:37 wurp2|working: yep...i did try the xapi...moved the osm to my FR, did the navit2osm thing, but can't seem to see the map...i'll look deeper into it today Aug 22 18:41:47 if i get it to work well..i'll edit the wiki Aug 22 18:41:54 put the oneliner in there Aug 22 19:01:30 jucs: there is a file manager for qtopia Aug 22 19:05:17 Hi guys, just got my FR and am playing with OM2007.2 out of the box... I've got a really dumb question: Aug 22 19:05:43 I've pressed something and they keyboard will now only let me enter numbers Aug 22 19:05:52 What did I press and how do I undo it? Aug 22 19:08:53 jonquark, try to hit the numbers rapidly very fast Aug 22 19:09:00 err Aug 22 19:09:02 yeah Aug 22 19:09:07 see if it turns into a letter Aug 22 19:10:03 Sargun: I was beng a fool - the bottom left button swaps modes Aug 22 19:10:12 Thanks for the suggestion though :) Aug 22 19:10:21 ah Aug 22 19:10:22 hehe Aug 22 19:12:31 lpotter: Is it also usable with the 2007.2-thing? Aug 22 19:12:56 nope. Aug 22 19:14:14 -.- Aug 22 19:14:42 Is it fairly trivial to put the OM into host mode USB? Aug 22 19:15:05 yup Aug 22 19:15:06 Sargun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host_Mode Aug 22 19:16:14 anybody know where a usable python-pycairo package is? Aug 22 19:28:17 Does anyone know how to disable the boot screen? Aug 22 19:28:27 edit u-boot Aug 22 19:28:41 or do you mean exquisite` Aug 22 19:28:41 ? Aug 22 19:28:49 Xaos:You need to copy the plugin-dicrectory from some friend... Aug 22 19:29:10 * Wonka deinstalled exquisite and exquisite-* Aug 22 19:29:11 Wonka: How to edit u-boot? Aug 22 19:29:13 hmmm...any friends out here? ;-) Aug 22 19:29:21 What is exquisite? Aug 22 19:29:35 I want it to print the console output... Aug 22 19:29:42 No showing the "booting" thing... Aug 22 19:29:42 jucs: just don't. the short while u-boot shows that screen does not hurt. Aug 22 19:30:00 I like it :-P But I like the console more... Aug 22 19:30:02 jucs: after that, the kernel starts and you see white text on black scrolling by Aug 22 19:30:18 jucs: the graphics _after_ that are made by exquisite Aug 22 19:30:23 Thanks :-P Aug 22 19:30:30 That's what I mean :-P Aug 22 19:30:46 So if I remove exquisite, the black scrolling will stay? Aug 22 19:30:46 jucs: just "opkg remove exquisite exquisite-theme" - or themes? Aug 22 19:30:51 yes. Aug 22 19:30:51 jucs: location of plugins dir? I was under the impression that those things were located in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/cairo Aug 22 19:30:52 For a 2007.02 to keep the phone up-to-date (i.e. reasonable 'unstable') should I use http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/ or http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/{testing/,unstable/}? The first one is not updated since a month. The second ones are described nowhere. Aug 22 19:30:54 Thank you! Aug 22 19:30:59 you will get error messages though Aug 22 19:31:01 moment... Aug 22 19:31:09 Xaos: I will try to install it and tell you :-P Aug 22 19:31:16 Xaos: Wait 3 minutes... Aug 22 19:31:41 Can you install Debian on the internal Flash? Aug 22 19:31:44 jucs: thanks...waiting patiently (or not so patiently...but still waiting ) Aug 22 19:31:54 jucs: uninstalling exquisite links /usr/bin/splash-write to /bin/echo, which is a link to /bin/busybox Aug 22 19:32:09 jucs: busybox does not like being called as "splash-write" and complains Aug 22 19:32:48 jucs: i therefore deleted the symlink and replaced it by a small shellscript doing just »echo "$@"« Aug 22 19:32:52 Wonka: Does this mean it won't boot after uninstalling exquisite? Aug 22 19:33:17 Sargun: yup. However it barerly fits. Aug 22 19:33:19 jucs: no. it will boot, but maybe throw error messages from busybox, "applet not found", iirc. Aug 22 19:33:50 Okay, thanks... if it gets on my nerves I will do the same :-P Aug 22 19:34:54 * Package exquisite is depended upon by packages: Aug 22 19:34:54 * task-openmoko-linux Aug 22 19:34:59 Should I remove that too? Aug 22 19:36:08 Xaos: Almost finished ;-) Aug 22 19:36:19 np...thanks again Aug 22 19:37:59 jucs: no, don't remove it, just use -force-depends Aug 22 19:39:46 k :-P Aug 22 19:40:58 Xaos: First install the broken packages... Aug 22 19:42:11 Xaos: Than go to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages Aug 22 19:42:34 jucs: I appear to have fixed it (somewhat)...I added the angstrom (2008.8) repository and I now have the files Aug 22 19:42:56 however, the "Settings" menu option still doesn't run anything Aug 22 19:43:15 but I can run it through a ssh -X session fine now Aug 22 19:43:26 Xaos: Ah, okay - If you have any more problems, the files of that dir are here: http://comp001-adk.juliankranz.de/files/site-packages.tar.gz Aug 22 19:43:27 ;-) Aug 22 19:43:44 cool...thanks jucs Aug 22 19:43:47 :-) Aug 22 19:44:05 now...anyone know where 2008.8 keeps the menus items? Aug 22 19:44:58 ok...looks like /usr/share/applications Aug 22 19:45:37 hehe...wait long enough and I answer my own questions Aug 22 19:51:24 lindi: wow. impressive power saving. Aug 22 19:53:30 apt: hi again, rusty robot :-) Aug 22 19:53:31 Many greetings, again, rusty robot :-), most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. Aug 22 19:54:27 apt: uptime Aug 22 19:58:03 anyone tried the mplayer version from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ ? Aug 22 19:58:09 anyone tried the mplayer version from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ ? Aug 22 20:06:21 i couldnt get it to compile Aug 22 20:06:58 the same here ... Aug 22 20:07:23 balrog-kun is the author if I'm not mistaken Aug 22 20:07:45 I see that he left open git access on it, so someone may have screwed it up... Aug 22 20:10:39 well git saves modifications last i checked Aug 22 20:11:10 if someone can figure out how to revert to maybe its 1st created state Aug 22 20:11:27 installed debian on the sd .. cant ssh in as i get an error sayin that .. WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! .. any ideas Aug 22 20:11:44 rm ~/.ssh/knownhosts Aug 22 20:11:59 kd8ikt: thank you Aug 22 20:12:08 and if you want to dual boot and not have to do that each reboot.. Aug 22 20:12:34 copy the /etc/dropbear/* from one rootfs to the other so they match Aug 22 20:13:14 kd8ikt: cool .. thanks Aug 22 20:14:03 kd8ikt: Oh, sure, you can definitely revert... assuming it's a bad checkin & not that the dependencies have changed out from under it Aug 22 20:14:42 lloyd_fedora: You can also just delete the offending line from knownhosts Aug 22 20:14:58 So you don't have to authenticate every other host you ssh to again after that change Aug 22 20:15:26 yeah but my way was fullproof quick/easy Aug 22 20:15:42 ;) hey can you lookinto that git tree then? Aug 22 20:15:53 and insecure :) Aug 22 20:16:03 if you know your way around git cause i dont Aug 22 20:18:20 kd8ikt: true Aug 22 20:19:04 kd8ikt: I don't really know my way around git... I just have used many source repositories, including some of the "next gen" ones like git (darcs & arch) Aug 22 20:19:28 is there a problem with "exposure" in the later versions of 2008.8 ? Aug 22 20:20:09 It should be just a matter of viewing history on the repo & pulling the URL for earlier versions until you find one that compiles (e.g., the latest one that balrog checked in on or whatever) Aug 22 20:20:52 Is there a rough rough ETA for GTA03? Aug 22 20:21:00 It kind of irritated me when Linus wrote git, since darcs & two forked projects of arch already addressed the problems Aug 22 20:21:07 lymeca: ~forever Aug 22 20:21:33 lymeca: is there anything about GTA03 yet? Aug 22 20:21:39 lymeca: The advertised eta for gta02 was Nov of 2007 as late as Aug 2007 Aug 22 20:21:50 ah, but forever isn't a time! Aug 22 20:21:56 i think my FR sometimes hangs itself up because /var/volatile is filled up with tmp/x.log Aug 22 20:21:58 Wonka: I think it's pretty much known to be gta02 - glamo + camera Aug 22 20:22:04 thats slightly annoying. Aug 22 20:22:06 gta03 on the edge of forever Aug 22 20:22:17 kd8ikt, :) Aug 22 20:22:23 startrek ;) Aug 22 20:22:24 wurp2|working: and what comes instead of glamo? Aug 22 20:22:42 kd8ikt, I know Aug 22 20:22:45 dfu-util Backup rootfs fails multiple times Aug 22 20:22:53 usb 7-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 128 rq 6 len 255 ret -75 Aug 22 20:22:56 Wonka, nothing (ie. dumb soc framebuffer) Aug 22 20:22:58 Wonka: I'm not sure anything... I think they're doing away with acceleration altogether Aug 22 20:23:06 * Wonka would have hoped for one 3d acceleration + turn sensor instead of 2 3d acceleration sensors Aug 22 20:23:10 to avoid the bus bandwidth problems glamo introduced Aug 22 20:23:15 and also for a magnetic compass Aug 22 20:23:44 and a teleporter Aug 22 20:23:53 no. Aug 22 20:24:00 Sorry, mjr, didn't see your better answer to his question Aug 22 20:24:01 i know magnetic compasses exist, and turn sensors Aug 22 20:24:06 mjr: regular, not quantum Aug 22 20:24:15 xkcd++ Aug 22 20:24:16 quantum compasses? Aug 22 20:24:19 wurp, *nod* Aug 22 20:24:26 # dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2 Aug 22 20:24:44 how hard would it be to replace one of the accelerometers with a 3d compass?? Aug 22 20:24:56 * Wonka always needs a -d here for dfu-util because of the uvc cam Aug 22 20:25:17 zash: a 3d compass is a little bulkier than an accelerometer Aug 22 20:25:44 gyrocompas! Aug 22 20:25:45 And signifdicantly more expensive. Aug 22 20:25:54 but is it the same interface? Aug 22 20:25:54 3d accel is #$2 Aug 22 20:25:58 $3 Aug 22 20:26:00 SpeedEvil: how much is significantly? Aug 22 20:26:23 magnetometer is about #12, and is more annoying to interface - that includes the interface chip. Aug 22 20:26:28 #12 Aug 22 20:26:30 #12 Aug 22 20:26:32 $12 Aug 22 20:26:42 that's a persistent typo Aug 22 20:26:45 i'd prefer one with i2c or something like that Aug 22 20:27:06 I would gladly pay $12 more for the device to get an accelerometer + a 3d compas Aug 22 20:27:09 s Aug 22 20:27:18 hmm, i'd like to do some mapping with my debian system. wiki explains i could use plain gpsd. however, couldn't i just write a simple shell script that asks current coordinates over dbus once every second? i don't need fancy gui, just reliable logging Aug 22 20:27:23 It seems far superior in every way... Aug 22 20:27:29 3 axis gyuros are about #50 Aug 22 20:27:29 % Aug 22 20:27:29 meh Aug 22 20:27:29 it would make building self guiding robots much easier Aug 22 20:27:42 wurp2|working: would everyone though. Aug 22 20:27:51 lindi-: Just save the /tmp/nmeaNP Aug 22 20:27:53 wurp2|working: and it's not $12 more - it's $24 more Aug 22 20:27:53 wurp2|working: the device has two 3d accelerometers. Aug 22 20:28:04 Wonka: I know Aug 22 20:28:28 I think a 3d accel + 3d compass would be far superior... Aug 22 20:28:31 wurp2|working: magnetic field sis not a perfect reference either. Aug 22 20:28:36 wurp2|working: problem is, you'd need a third to get the turn rate around the axis going through the two... Aug 22 20:28:41 and yeah, $24 is probably enough more expensive to be borderline Aug 22 20:28:44 wurp2|working: it gets disturbed. Aug 22 20:28:49 Wonka: But you don't get that now Aug 22 20:28:58 SpeedEvil: but magnetic field plus gps is very nice for mapping applications Aug 22 20:29:11 Wonka: hrm... and I think you would only need that if the line from the accel to the compass pointed north Aug 22 20:29:12 wurp2|working: i know. i want to get that. Aug 22 20:29:14 wurp2|working: accel + gyros + magnetometer is moderately OK for dead-rechoning of orientations. Aug 22 20:29:19 Wonka: yes. Aug 22 20:29:33 SpeedEvil: Yeah, that's why I want it :-) Aug 22 20:29:55 gtaXX as controller for quadcopters! Aug 22 20:30:01 with touchscreen management console Aug 22 20:30:05 dead-recknonbing of positions needs annoyingly good accelerometers. Aug 22 20:30:13 * rooly likes the clock on om2007.2 Aug 22 20:30:19 "go there" "drop bomb^Wconfetti" "come back" Aug 22 20:30:34 SpeedEvil: no kidding... I'm amazed that you can get as close as you can with the accels in FR Aug 22 20:30:40 would anyone like a wifi/bt/gps heartbeat app? Aug 22 20:31:01 having one 3d accel is nice. having two is bullshit. having three makes guessing of turn rates possible Aug 22 20:31:02 rooly: Throw in cell tower ids & strengths, then I want it :-) Aug 22 20:31:08 wurp2|working: ? They are mostly useless for dead-reconing - they are out by 165cm'/s^2 Aug 22 20:31:18 wurp2|working, it's an led heartbeat Aug 22 20:31:21 Wonka: err - no Aug 22 20:31:25 rooly: Oh, no Aug 22 20:31:43 Wonka: having two (*or three) _really_ accurate ones, or over a long baseline lets you work out turn rates. Aug 22 20:32:03 SpeedEvil: ok, then having these two is even more useless. Aug 22 20:32:04 Wonka: the current ones let - IIRC - you work out turn rates of aroung 620 degrees/second. Aug 22 20:32:22 that's the minimum noise level Aug 22 20:32:22 SpeedEvil: I know it's useless for more than a few seconds... but it shocks me that they're good enough to be fairly accurate for a few seconds, given that you only read them 100 x per second and all you get is instantaneous approximate acceleration Aug 22 20:32:50 SpeedEvil: gimme a combined 3d accel and 3d turn sensor instead... Aug 22 20:33:01 Wonka: sparkfun have them. Expensive though. Aug 22 20:33:07 SpeedEvil: i was told MEMS made it possible in a quite small form factor Aug 22 20:33:14 Wonka: possible - yes. Aug 22 20:33:25 Wonka: many things are possible - that's unimportant. Aug 22 20:33:49 The important thing is has anyone put the engineering into making a product which can be mass produced at $4 for 1 million. Aug 22 20:34:03 ($4 per) Aug 22 20:34:14 (I'm tyuping blind ATM, apologies for typos) Aug 22 20:34:31 anyone know how to just package an ipk? Aug 22 20:34:57 wurp2|working: what creates /tmp/nmeaNP? Aug 22 20:35:15 wurp2|working: it's not mentioned in frameworkd source code Aug 22 20:35:33 lindi-: Hrm, on gta01 that's the nmea data from gllin Aug 22 20:35:37 it's gllin's output pipe, iirc created by its startup script Aug 22 20:35:43 lindi-: On gta02 it's /dev/ttyS01, I think Aug 22 20:35:55 lim: gllin Aug 22 20:36:09 wurp2|working: ttySAC02 Aug 22 20:36:16 SpeedEvil: thx Aug 22 20:36:59 <- back XD Aug 22 20:37:32 wurp2|working: gillin is proprietary stuff :( Aug 22 20:37:47 wurp2|working, SpeedEvil: GPS is on /dev/ttySAC1 on GTA02 Aug 22 20:38:21 Wonka: sorry - I can't type properly. I can't see the line I'm typing as something is in fromt of the bottom line of the monitor, and it's dark. Aug 22 20:38:29 *g* Aug 22 20:38:43 anyone familiar with code that talks to stuff over serial connections? Aug 22 20:38:53 * Wonka switches on the backlight of his macbook pro keyboard... Aug 22 20:38:56 zazas: ask kermit Aug 22 20:39:05 Wonka: itr's cold. Aug 22 20:39:16 wonLwon: hence keyboard is under covers. Aug 22 20:39:20 wonk: Aug 22 20:39:25 zash: i only know "chat", which is used by e.g. pppd to set up modem/gprs connections Aug 22 20:39:37 SpeedEvil: learn to type blind ;) Aug 22 20:39:54 SpeedEvil: it's more important to see the monitor than the keyboard, IMO Aug 22 20:39:57 Wonka: I can - mostly. But my typing is moderately screwed by small format keyboards. Aug 22 20:40:00 True. Aug 22 20:40:07 But I'm a bit too far dfrom it. Aug 22 20:40:24 Wonka: i have done some work on a small script that talks to managed switches Aug 22 20:40:26 And there is something in gront of the input line. Aug 22 20:40:41 Wonka: but i haven't figured out the best overall structure Aug 22 20:40:52 Basheri: : what are you trying tro do? Aug 22 20:40:52 I am thinking of making an Y cable - usb-mini-b-male to usb-mini-b-female and usb-a-female Aug 22 20:41:01 zash: Aug 22 20:41:11 so i can charge the FR and hook an usb device up to it Aug 22 20:41:14 zash: in what language? Aug 22 20:41:20 Wonka: remember the resistors Aug 22 20:41:22 SpeedEvil: perl :D Aug 22 20:41:31 SpeedEvil: and was supposed to be cross platform Aug 22 20:42:01 zash: i often user ser2net Aug 22 20:42:22 s/user/use/ Aug 22 20:42:22 lindi- meant: zash: i often use ser2net Aug 22 20:42:24 freerunner + usb to serial converter would be awesome for ppl setting upp switches Aug 22 20:42:44 + keyuboard Aug 22 20:42:57 Or I could sell them my Z88 Aug 22 20:43:06 Cutting edge A4 laptop Aug 22 20:43:16 Of the earlyu 1990s. Aug 22 20:43:45 gentoo on OpenMoko devices :p http://gentoo-wiki.com/User:TuXXX#Gentoo_on_the_FreeRunner . This is not much, but may be interesting. Aug 22 20:43:46 Late 1980s? Aug 22 20:43:48 SpeedEvil: i was thinking more like a gui with big buttons labelt the same as the switches Aug 22 20:43:55 zash: ah Aug 22 20:44:41 Gentoo, hell yeah. Finally I can put all my Freerunner CPU cycles to good use compiling packages to be installed! Aug 22 20:45:14 mjr: no, my goal is not to compile things on the FR Aug 22 20:45:16 right, i'm gonna make an ipk for you guys Aug 22 20:45:21 of my little 'hearbeat' daemon Aug 22 20:45:24 mjr: more like something like LFS Aug 22 20:47:45 heya Aug 22 20:47:58 mjr, you install Gentoo on the FIC? Aug 22 20:47:59 er Aug 22 20:48:00 FR Aug 22 20:48:11 not me, see tuXXX Aug 22 20:48:13 Does FIC make any money off the FR? Aug 22 20:48:16 I'm a debian boy ;) Aug 22 20:48:18 My friend is trying to do this, too :-P Aug 22 20:48:24 I mean, Gentoo.. Aug 22 20:48:50 another thing i hope for in the next gen Neo: u-blox 5 GPS receiver instead of Antaris 4 Aug 22 20:49:03 what's the debian section for system? Aug 22 20:49:15 it's so much cooler and faster and better, if you can believe their website... Aug 22 20:49:54 Wonka: there are such plans afair. Aug 22 20:49:57 somebody here who ordered from pulster.de and got his phone promised from his delivery on aug 15th? Aug 22 20:50:00 "if you can believe their website" <- Sure, and actually I'm selling the best GPS device on the planet... Aug 22 20:50:13 Yes, me. Aug 22 20:50:20 did you get any news? Aug 22 20:50:30 News? Aug 22 20:50:47 I got my freerunner :-P Aug 22 20:50:48 well ... like "it has been sent" or "we are working on it"? Aug 22 20:50:51 tomboy64: mine was promised from their delivery on July 25th, and it arrived here on July 18th :) Aug 22 20:50:54 oi -.- Aug 22 20:51:00 On the 16th of August... Aug 22 20:51:00 wtf! Aug 22 20:51:09 * SpeedEvil wants HH for next version, with open-source drivers. Aug 22 20:51:13 Eigentlich können wir Deutsch reden :-P Aug 22 20:51:16 * SpeedEvil watches the flying pigs. Aug 22 20:51:17 naja Aug 22 20:51:17 SpeedEvil: "HH"? Aug 22 20:51:24 HammerHead Aug 22 20:51:24 is jan englischer chan Aug 22 20:51:33 It's the Global Locate chipset in GTA01 Aug 22 20:51:34 what's hammerhead? Aug 22 20:51:49 mine is lost somewhere in the postal service Aug 22 20:51:50 Wie auch immer, ein Freund bekams 2 Tage früher, und ihm wars zur letzten Lieferung versprochen... hatte aber spät bezahlt... Aug 22 20:52:16 naja Aug 22 20:52:21 ich hatte anfang juli bestellt Aug 22 20:52:29 Ich ... moment... Aug 22 20:52:32 mitte juli hab ich mal nachgefragt, was denn wäre Aug 22 20:52:44 Co to za jÄ™zyk?! Aug 22 20:52:44 SpeedEvil: from what i heard, u-blox 5 really is much faster than antaris 4 Aug 22 20:52:45 Ich am 25. Juli *lol* Aug 22 20:52:47 dann hab ich die bankdaten bekommen, zum am 22. die überweisung raus Aug 22 20:52:59 (sorry - couldn't resist myself) Aug 22 20:53:02 und langsam werd ich ungedultig Aug 22 20:53:11 Meine Ãœberweisung ging am 25.7 raus... Aug 22 20:53:21 GRRRR Aug 22 20:53:24 SpeedEvil: and u-blox 5 does support AssistNow Offline, which at least the Antaris 4 in my FR does not Aug 22 20:53:26 <--- sauer Aug 22 20:53:29 Hast du ihm gleich geschrieben, dass du überwiesen hast? Aug 22 20:53:34 na klar! Aug 22 20:53:59 SpeedEvil: so even if it was not acquiring faster by itself, assistnow offline would help a lot Aug 22 20:54:23 Nun, dann war vllt. deine Bank langsamer und mein Geld war ein Tag früher oder so da... :-P Aug 22 20:54:35 Ich glaub, er schickt streng nach Eintreffen vom Geld... Aug 22 20:54:45 grml Aug 22 20:55:02 what type of archive is an ipk Aug 22 20:55:07 meine bestellung war am 30.6. Aug 22 20:55:14 langsam werd ich echt ungeduldig Aug 22 20:55:22 Wenn du dann gelich überwiesen hättest... Aug 22 20:55:27 rooly: it's an 'ar' archive, quite similar to a .deb Aug 22 20:55:44 how would i make one Aug 22 20:55:48 jahaaa ... wie denn? Aug 22 20:55:56 ohne bankdaten geht das ja schlecht Aug 22 20:56:17 und damals hieß es, "sie bekommen die bankdaten in einer weiteren mail" Aug 22 20:56:30 mmontour, i'm trying to make an ipk over here Aug 22 20:56:46 I've never hand-built one, I just let bitbake do it. You can use 'ar x something.ipk' to unpack an existing one and then copy the structure. Aug 22 20:56:53 Stimmt, die bekam ich am nächsten Tag... Aug 22 20:57:05 right, thats exactly what i'm doing Aug 22 20:57:09 http://www.sander-electronic.de/be00012.html - 3d magnetic sensors. too expensive, i fear. Aug 22 20:59:05 mhmmm Aug 22 20:59:26 rooly: http://wiki.openembedded.net or the OM wiki should have documentation but I don't know the exact links. Aug 22 20:59:30 Bis zum 15.9 kommt es sicher :-) Aug 22 20:59:42 mmontour, i just need to package it now Aug 22 20:59:43 http://www.u-blox.com/products/u5modules.html - LEA 5H would be nice. Galileo support, all the communication ports used in FR; not bigger (afaics). Aug 22 21:00:49 and i do believe that's it Aug 22 21:01:09 scp to FR fails on newly installed debian on sd .. quits with the error .. Host key verification failed .. deleted known_hosts .. but no progress Aug 22 21:02:35 If you're using OE then "bitbake my-package" will give you an ipk in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/... or similar. If you're not using OE then I can't give specific instructions - "man ar" might help Aug 22 21:03:38 crap Aug 22 21:03:41 okay that didn't work Aug 22 21:03:53 mmontour, it's a pair of scripts Aug 22 21:06:26 lloyd_fedora: please put full error online Aug 22 21:08:41 hm Aug 22 21:09:15 what are the quantity packs OM offers? Aug 22 21:13:00 or not... Aug 22 21:13:22 Sargun_screen: 1 or 10, last I heard Aug 22 21:13:36 Sargun_screen: Go to www.openmoko.com and attempt to buy, then you'll see Aug 22 21:22:52 10 wich round out to about 370$ per Aug 22 21:33:55 You can also buy 1, 5, or 10 packs at koolu.com Aug 22 21:34:22 Whoa Aug 22 21:34:33 And gp2xstore claims to still have 1973s for sale Aug 22 21:39:50 It's in stock in the main shop now? Aug 22 21:40:34 Does anyone know why the freerunner discharges sloooooowly, if it reached 100% and stood plugged in for some time? Aug 22 21:41:38 waa. my moko ran out of battery and won't power on. Aug 22 21:41:56 how long should it take to trickle-charge it up enough so that it can boot? Aug 22 21:45:33 You don't have any old nokia phone? Aug 22 21:45:44 Which has a compatible battery? Aug 22 21:45:50 nope Aug 22 21:46:43 cjb: If you yank the battery long enough to make sure the gsm goes down Aug 22 21:46:57 It should be ready to start up in an hour or so, is my experience Aug 22 21:46:59 But Aug 22 21:47:22 You have to be careful.... if it was on and died, then as soon as it has enough charge, it will boot Aug 22 21:47:23 What das trickle charge mean? Aug 22 21:47:40 does* Aug 22 21:47:50 jucs: slow charge Aug 22 21:47:54 If you're not on a smart charger or the OM charger, it will then procede to consume more power than it's getting from the charger, & die again Aug 22 21:48:02 How, if it's dead? Aug 22 21:48:19 jucs: How what? Aug 22 21:48:25 oh, I forgot about the OM charger Aug 22 21:48:27 it's at home Aug 22 21:48:38 will that fix it? Aug 22 21:48:39 How charge it slowly, if it's dead and won't charge at all? Aug 22 21:49:00 jucs: The circuitry to charge still works if the neo won't boot... Aug 22 21:49:01 Maybe I got something wrong... Aug 22 21:49:04 jucs: it's only "mostly dead", not all dead Aug 22 21:49:06 MOAR FLASH. Aug 22 21:49:24 jucs: normally in batteries, trickle charging involves pushing a very small voltage out even when you can't talk to the battery, and then over time it gets enough charge to wake up and start communicating. Aug 22 21:49:27 cjb: Any charger can bring it back, if the gsm is down Aug 22 21:49:45 moar ram, moar flash. Aug 22 21:49:49 Flash - u-uuu - Saviour of the Universe Aug 22 21:49:55 But if it boots back up fully, then the gsm will be back up, and if you're on a slow charger, it will die again, and try to stay dead Aug 22 21:49:56 There are several possible states, depending on how discharged the battery is. Worst-case the battery will show 0V because an internal protection circuit has triggered. Aug 22 21:50:02 wurp2|working: oh. I get it. Aug 22 21:50:30 Ah... Aug 22 21:50:32 Above that, there's still a range of voltages where the PMU will not apply the full charging current Aug 22 21:50:32 If it's on a linux machine's usb it should work Aug 22 21:50:59 I'm starting to experiment with this stuff now, so in a few days I should be able to give better answers. Aug 22 21:51:02 it is on a Linux machine's usb, but it just boots for a second and then turns off Aug 22 21:51:04 (and charge fast, assuming the machine supports 500 mA or more charge rate) Aug 22 21:51:12 yeah, USB didn't work for me -- I had to get another battery Aug 22 21:51:17 The battery has it's own protection? So it's not possible to bring it to explode if it's charged the wrong way? Aug 22 21:51:29 cjb: Do you have the uboot menu option set up to do fast charge? Aug 22 21:51:40 Hrm, actually, I dunno how to do that on FR Aug 22 21:51:57 wurp2|working: I can't get to the uboot menu at the moment Aug 22 21:52:14 cjb: On my 01, if it will boot even briefly I can get to the uboot menu Aug 22 21:52:20 fyi: today the battery of my freerunner has fully discharged , i plugged it to a usb of my laptop and then it worked. (all of this qith qtopia) Aug 22 21:52:21 Although sometimes it seems it takes 3 hands to do it Aug 22 21:52:47 (push aux & power button simultaneously, while plugging in usb, then hold both for several seconds) Aug 22 21:52:53 jucs: there is a protection circuit which makes it more difficult to toast the battery (I won't say impossible) Aug 22 21:54:14 Good, at least :-P Aug 22 21:54:41 Yes, I know, once someone died (in China?) because his mobile exploded in his coat... Aug 22 21:55:16 Is there a way to right-click with zhone and the matchbox-keyboard? Aug 22 21:59:02 root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/apm Aug 22 21:59:02 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 99% 4766 min Aug 22 21:59:02 ^- Anyone an idea, why this happens? (it's plugged in) Aug 22 22:03:54 jucs: Looks like the normal "charging power is so close to zero that it'll theoretically take ages to finish the charge" issue. Aug 22 22:04:46 No, it's diacharing... Aug 22 22:04:50 ging* Aug 22 22:04:59 discharging* sorry :-D Aug 22 22:20:08 only 1 freerunner remaining..should i buy or not buy:( Aug 22 22:22:52 kd8ikt, wurp2|working, pete_b: at least one person beside managed to compile it recently :) Aug 22 22:22:59 *beside me Aug 22 22:23:18 and reports it works Aug 22 22:28:50 Why does gsmd not have a least the littlest security? Aug 22 22:28:55 at* Aug 22 22:29:33 I mean, even if you su to nobody you're still able to make calls... or send 100.000 SMS... Aug 22 22:32:42 Any idea when more will be in stock? Aug 22 22:33:02 jucs, ow will a person be able to log in to your phone in the first aplce? Aug 22 22:33:56 First of all, on the enduser-device the sshd should not be open by default... however, if you browse the web, send email and so on you're always on risk.. Aug 22 22:35:11 uhm Aug 22 22:35:17 I think you're freaking out Aug 22 22:35:24 There's a reason why the most distributions won't log you in as root by default... Aug 22 22:35:38 you're talking about a developer phone Aug 22 22:35:55 I'm talking about a linux pc :-D Aug 22 22:36:30 bah Aug 22 22:36:46 * Sargun waits for debian to finish installing Aug 22 22:36:48 jucs: there have been several discussions about security on the mailing lists. For now most people are more concerned about getting the basic functionality to work at all, rather than how to secure it. Also gsmd is a dead-end; you should be looking at FSO (gsm0710muxd, frameworkd, etc) and/or Qtopia. Aug 22 22:38:24 mmontour: Well, but it's a really big point... because a lack of security could cause much worse things than on a normal consumer pc... Aug 22 22:38:59 Usually the worst thing that could imaginally happen is that your pc would get broken, which is even unlikely to happen as it is hard for hackers to destroy hardware... Aug 22 22:40:13 Does FSO come with muxd? Aug 22 22:40:15 On a phone, someone could easyly cause your bill to grow to the sky.... I'm sure, you could abuse libgsmd to send enough SMS for 1 Million Dollars of telephone bill... Aug 22 22:40:23 I'm sure that the FSO developers would be glad to accept patches to improve security, as long as they don't make things too difficult for other developers. Aug 22 22:40:48 I'm not sure about the law at this point, but I wouldn't like to try it :-D Aug 22 22:40:59 jucs, if someone got login to your phone Aug 22 22:41:15 I consider it a bug that a phone company will let a bill grow to unreasonable levels before shutting off the service. I use a prepaid SIM to avoid that particular risk. Aug 22 22:42:31 jucs, hardware damange? modprobe nvram; cat /dev/urandom > /dev/nvram Aug 22 22:42:56 What would that do? Aug 22 22:43:36 mmontour: Yes, maybe you're right... 1 Million would be too muchl... but I'm sure about 10.000 :-p Aug 22 22:44:42 jucs, try it. Aug 22 22:44:44 ;-P Aug 22 22:45:04 :-P Aug 22 22:55:56 Is there a web browser for Qtopia? I fond Opera and Irsi, but I can't find where to download them... Aug 22 23:00:59 No :P Aug 22 23:01:04 There's none, afaik Aug 22 23:01:17 All of them need X11, and Qtopia doesn't have it... Aug 22 23:05:42 ello Aug 22 23:06:47 Hello :-P Aug 22 23:07:13 Is it possible to put the ... clock down to the date in Om2007.2? Aug 22 23:07:26 I mean, it's too huge... Aug 22 23:09:44 -.- I think I messed up my bootloader. Aug 22 23:10:48 hello, is the neo freerunner have a multi touch screen? Aug 22 23:10:58 no Aug 22 23:11:58 ok, but why not? Aug 22 23:12:46 i ran into #1743 (my sd card is crap and need to be clocked slower). so i bootet in NOR flash and connected via usb to the serial console, there i did: "setenv menu_9 Boot with reduced SD clock: setenv bootargs glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000\; bootm 0x32000000" Aug 22 23:13:15 and after that a saveenv Aug 22 23:13:34 but when i boot it in nor flash again the new menupoint doesnt show up.. Aug 22 23:14:15 :-( Aug 22 23:14:16 Do it through NAND u-boot Aug 22 23:15:13 what package do I need to download for formatting the SD card? Aug 22 23:16:59 Ark1, because. Aug 22 23:19:42 what does Rasters builds have? Aug 22 23:19:59 mmontour: uhm, thanks ;) Aug 22 23:27:45 how long does it take for openmoko to boot? Aug 22 23:30:04 jucs: do u mean this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 Aug 22 23:31:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Todaypage_reduced_false.png <- Here, I'd like to move that big yellow thing down to the date... Aug 22 23:31:24 Ark1: ~3 minutes Aug 22 23:31:51 lloyd_fedora: -^ Aug 22 23:34:03 jucs: sry .. i dunno .. i just removed it .. :-) Aug 22 23:35:07 lloyd_fedora: Thanks anyway :-P Aug 22 23:35:27 yay! Beer Festival tickets were still avaialble at the event center! now back to my phone Aug 22 23:40:59 damn... Aug 22 23:41:06 I want Beer Festival tickets.. Aug 22 23:41:12 which one? Aug 22 23:41:42 do u have to upgrade the bootloader for 2008.8 Aug 22 23:43:06 *sigh* Aug 22 23:43:37 Good night @ all! Aug 22 23:51:13 balrog-kun: you made the glamo mplayer ? Aug 22 23:59:53 gr.. Aug 23 00:00:52 if I power on my phone it seems to hang, but if I boot into NAND it pops up just fine. Aug 23 00:00:54 ? Aug 23 00:01:04 what did I do wrong >.> Aug 23 00:11:52 have you booted into NAND ad then select the first boot option? Aug 23 00:13:55 yes Aug 23 00:14:23 I think the problem is that i configured the uboot for debian on SD >.< Aug 23 00:14:36 so now I have to boot into NAND then choose Boot From flash Aug 23 00:15:56 so.. I just need to undo those changes and I think I'll be okay. Aug 23 00:17:41 oh then i dont aprove of their way of hijacking the main boot Aug 23 00:18:11 they should've made it add a menu item at the ass end of the loader Aug 23 00:18:35 good job "official" debian guys Aug 23 00:20:10 or atleast make a more detailed uboot editing option like it absolutely wont touch the uboot unless you give it some heavy duty options like ./installer.sh uboot --menu default or menuitem# Aug 23 00:21:35 http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/391456/ -- this is the config.sh I used. Aug 23 00:21:49 it was an optional thing Aug 23 00:22:34 why would you make default boot SD? Aug 23 00:23:03 cause I liked the debian stuff for a while. Aug 23 00:23:19 and yeah I know I shouldn't a done it.. Aug 23 00:26:14 I've had my default boot as SD for months now - it's where I keep my main filesystem, while the NAND is scratch space for trying out other distributions. Aug 23 00:27:16 heh... Aug 23 00:27:27 is there a way to re-write the NAND config to the way it was before? Aug 23 00:28:35 I tried re-flashing it, but it looks like the old changes were still there. Aug 23 00:28:50 You can boot into NOR and do a "printenv", then boot into NAND and type in the entries you need with "setenv". Probably just 'bootcmd' needs to be changed. Aug 23 00:29:10 is there an update to 2008.8? Aug 23 00:29:35 that works? Aug 23 00:30:37 flinx is your debian stable? Aug 23 00:30:45 on cd Aug 23 00:31:20 slaxxin, I played with it for a few days, and re-formatted the SD card. it wasnt bad. Aug 23 00:31:59 slaxxin, this mornign though I tried picking up a call, and after I unlocked it the keys didn't respond. Aug 23 00:32:18 can someone help me debug a usb networking issue? >.< Aug 23 00:32:35 before I re-flashed my OM2008.8 everything was working fine with hotplugging. Aug 23 00:32:44 I'm sure its some silly thing that I'm forgetting Aug 23 00:38:34 is anyone using debian off an SD card? Aug 23 00:41:42 LuYu: me am Aug 23 00:43:08 i was trying to get it working Aug 23 00:43:20 but they just changed the instructions Aug 23 00:43:30 did you use the new method or the old one? Aug 23 00:48:06 does debian need a separate boot partition like the others, or can you put it all in one partition? Aug 23 00:48:15 mmontour, if I re-flash the NAND shouldn't that set me back to the original configuration? Aug 23 00:48:39 no, the environment variables are in their own "u-boot_env" partition. Aug 23 00:49:13 you could re-flash that if you had a backup, and if that backup wasn't corrupted by the "dfu-util -U" bug Aug 23 00:49:29 *nods* Aug 23 00:50:15 The script should have made a backup, but its at the PC at work >.< Aug 23 00:50:26 is there a way to reconfigure manually? Aug 23 00:51:04 "setenv" from the u-boot console Aug 23 00:51:14 ah Aug 23 00:51:36 there are other options like "devirginator", "envedit.pl", but I can't help you with details Aug 23 00:51:56 do I do the setenv from NAND? Aug 23 00:52:02 yes Aug 23 00:52:22 so.. dfu-util setenv? Aug 23 00:52:55 no, boot into the u-boot menu, connect a terminal to /dev/ttyACM0, then enter commands into the u-boot console. See "Bootloader Environment" wiki page for more info Aug 23 00:53:45 Okay thanks :D Aug 23 00:59:37 Good evening, Mmontour :) Aug 23 00:59:37 yeah I'll have to wait until monday, cause I can't get it to connect to the environment. Aug 23 01:00:04 Hi Dave. How are the Freerunners? Aug 23 01:01:28 Montour, alright, though I can't say the same for development progress :) Aug 23 01:01:42 I'm still experiencing difficulty building modules for it. Aug 23 01:03:37 can't help you there. I've also got messed-up kernel modules at the moment (and I haven't quite managed to build a working fso-image yet) Aug 23 01:04:09 sigh... I'm getting a network is unreachable once i SSH into the FR. Aug 23 01:04:31 :\ Aug 23 01:05:09 Dave.. your smart Fix it :p Aug 23 01:05:49 I've got hotplugging set up on my Debian which uses a 192.168.3.x network Aug 23 01:06:06 and I think I did everything for setting up networking in the OM2008.8 Aug 23 01:06:23 Flinx :P Aug 23 01:06:36 True, but I don't really want to bother -- why won't the OM devs fix it for me sooner? :P Aug 23 01:06:44 So I can actually finish my work :D Aug 23 01:07:24 moo? Aug 23 01:07:42 * Dave sends Flinx SIGMOO2 Aug 23 01:10:20 no idea what SIGMOO2 is Aug 23 01:10:26 google brigns up nothin Aug 23 01:10:28 :[ Aug 23 01:10:31 Bah. Aug 23 01:17:04 what do FSO and ASU mean? Aug 23 01:17:31 ASU= april/August Software update Aug 23 01:17:38 I forget fso Aug 23 01:20:16 ah, but as i can imageine, it's the most recent/untested version, isn't it? Aug 23 01:20:40 FSO=FreeSmartphone.Org Aug 23 01:21:21 what's the difference between the openmoko.org and the freesmartphone.org build? Aug 23 01:22:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target Aug 23 01:28:37 what does "Finger friendly: No" mean with Debian? Aug 23 01:29:39 o_O Aug 23 01:29:45 hehehhe Aug 23 01:29:46 Pull out your fingers there Aug 23 01:30:23 ? Aug 23 01:30:42 doesn't it support the touch screen or what? Aug 23 01:31:51 probably means that you need to use a stylus Aug 23 01:32:44 ah, ok Aug 23 01:33:05 and what is the entry "middleware" about? Aug 23 01:33:09 nicro keyboard is the word Aug 23 01:34:09 so about the upgrades to 2008.8 are they ok? Aug 23 01:34:33 but when you can use qtopia under debian, where is the difference between the keyboard? Aug 23 01:36:08 fso is sleek an eyecandy rich where openmoko is lets say square Aug 23 01:37:02 fso has pencil eraser size touch pads Aug 23 01:38:04 2008.8 has a slow cumbersome keyboard that imho is weaker than the keyboard on 2007.2 Aug 23 01:40:23 what filesystem should the sdcard be for just storage of files an music? Aug 23 01:41:24 the keyboard of 2008.8 was at least adjustable to full qwerty, while that multitap-pad is absolutely awful Aug 23 01:41:30 slaxxin: ext2 Aug 23 01:41:39 slaxxin: or maybe vfat Aug 23 01:41:40 tea Aug 23 01:41:49 i guess thats right Aug 23 01:41:54 slaxxin: but nothing with a journal, that hurts the flash Aug 23 01:42:46 vfat is generally used for such things because you don't need the advantages ext2 offers, and vfat is a universal format that can be read on every OS Aug 23 01:43:09 unless you do need to restrict permissions on songs... Aug 23 01:44:40 symlinks might be useful Aug 23 01:45:16 the "umsdos" stuff has died, nor? Aug 23 01:45:46 anyway, i'm going to sleep Aug 23 01:46:06 symlinks are a myth Aug 23 01:47:07 but when you can use qtopia under debian, where is the difference between the keyboard? Aug 23 01:49:06 how can I see qtopia on my ubutu desktop to just see? Aug 23 01:50:07 qtopia doesnt care which distribution its running on. it'll be the same, since its all one blob Aug 23 01:53:09 I see the qt3-dev-tools-embedded package in synaptic, will that get me what Aug 23 01:53:11 lpotter: ok Aug 23 01:53:13 I want Aug 23 01:54:02 lol...where can i get this frogpad? :) Aug 23 01:54:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frogpad Aug 23 01:55:16 can't you use a full sizr USB keyboard? Aug 23 01:55:43 http://frogpad.com/ Aug 23 01:56:02 mikef187, can you fit a full size keyboard in a small bag or larger pocket? Aug 23 01:56:22 no no I know, bu Aug 23 01:56:28 it's expensive though... $150 for a wired version i think Aug 23 01:56:28 It could be done right? Aug 23 01:56:29 I was thinking I'd like a folding usb kbd Aug 23 01:56:47 I've got a folding bt one, but thinking about ssh passwords using it makes me a little nervous :) Aug 23 01:57:16 oh no, $150 for BT, $130 for wired Aug 23 01:57:41 mikef187, any usb device for which linux has support will work Aug 23 01:58:00 OUT Freaking standing Aug 23 01:58:01 pjz, hehe, indeed Aug 23 01:58:55 mikef187, note that it'll eat the battery quickly, and that while the drivers are present, it may not be able to use the device (eg, a video capture device won't work well or at all on a 400mhz computer with 128mb ram) Aug 23 01:59:46 I see you will run into performance problems Aug 23 02:00:26 Now.. I saw a screenshot with GIMP of all things running ... now I don't plan to do any image editing but I may want to run evolution or openoffice Aug 23 02:00:36 would that but out of the question? Aug 23 02:01:02 they'd run, as to how slow or usable they'd be... i dunno Aug 23 02:01:06 very, i would guess Aug 23 02:01:33 right I would guess .... PDF viewing... etc.. Aug 23 02:01:49 pdf viewing isn't too bad Aug 23 02:02:12 loading a 4mb graphical pdf takes me about 30-45s, but once loaded, i can browse the pdf fluidly Aug 23 02:02:40 pjz: actually sniffing bluetooth without having seen the pairing sequence is afaik not possible right now Aug 23 02:03:14 ieatlint: Not Bad ... Aug 23 02:03:32 I have a Blackberry and opening/editing docs is quite painful Aug 23 02:04:32 anyone using it here? Aug 23 02:04:38 the frogpad i mean Aug 23 02:06:49 i'm just not willing to invest $150 in a keyboard that i could simply hate (and that only works with one hand) Aug 23 02:13:05 is there anyone skilled with the u-boot environment here? Aug 23 02:17:29 easier question Aug 23 02:19:33 can i use mokomakefile to build a debian system? Aug 23 02:20:39 Bop. Aug 23 02:20:41 No Aug 23 02:22:35 Hello SpeedEvil :D Aug 23 02:22:37 nope. Aug 23 02:23:04 can I put my wireless card into monitor mode Aug 23 02:27:02 You can try, but if you mean the one in the freerunner, I don't think it works in promisc. mode. Aug 23 02:29:53 etc Aug 23 02:32:50 ieatlint: talkin about the frog pad? Aug 23 02:32:58 Promiscuous MODE Wherever you are I'm all alone And it's you that I want Aug 23 02:34:04 ieatlint: did iHerald tell you i nixed my gentoo box in favor of debian lenny and dropped apache cause i love your lighthttp Aug 23 02:34:12 is there a browser for qtopia? Aug 23 02:34:31 or would it be better to switch to debian anyway? Aug 23 02:35:49 i mean for my webserver not the phone Aug 23 02:36:17 deever: Aug 23 02:38:10 kd8ikt: ? Aug 23 02:38:35 nothin Aug 23 02:39:04 most browsers on the moko are a bit lacking currently Aug 23 02:39:44 liek almost half the size of the screen i guess debian for the moko might be fun to toy with Aug 23 02:40:46 nomatter what you'll need a stylus i if only we made a better keyboard that tookup the hole screen and was finger hackable Aug 23 02:41:00 whole screen* Aug 23 02:41:08 dunno why but i always forget the w Aug 23 02:43:10 kd8ikt: Just a friendly reminder: the hardware is called Freerunner, Neo, GTA02, etc. "Openmoko" is either the software distribution or the company Aug 23 02:43:54 i know i just find it quicker and easier to type moko than GTa02 Aug 23 02:46:12 can the screen be rotated by 90 degrees? Aug 23 02:48:05 deever: there will be a browser for qtopia when 4.4 gets released Aug 23 02:53:39 i hope it will be soon... Aug 23 02:54:07 ...because i develop in qt4.4 Aug 23 02:54:13 what language does openmoko use in app development? Aug 23 02:54:44 huh? Aug 23 02:56:15 you mean, what languages are used for the applications, or what? Aug 23 02:59:25 yeah apps **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 23 02:59:57 2008