**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 25 02:59:57 2008 Aug 25 03:00:39 I'm at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/ but I have no clue what to get Aug 25 03:00:58 Daenyth, uImage.*****.bin Aug 25 03:01:43 rootfs? Aug 25 03:01:47 do I need to? Aug 25 03:02:19 not if you don't really need to Aug 25 03:02:41 ok.. Aug 25 03:05:02 booting Aug 25 03:07:14 hopefully this will fix my wireless issues too Aug 25 03:08:43 nothing at all looks changed Aug 25 03:08:50 mee too Aug 25 03:09:46 why cant a terminal be included in an image jeez\ Aug 25 03:10:02 lol Aug 25 03:10:29 ohhhh Aug 25 03:10:33 I can connect to wifi now Aug 25 03:10:40 cool :-) Aug 25 03:11:36 which image did u do? Aug 25 03:11:42 udhcpc eth0 doesn't seem to want to work Aug 25 03:11:52 slaxxin: the only one from that link I posted above Aug 25 03:12:05 sends a bunch of dhcp discover packets but no response... Aug 25 03:12:21 latest.bin/ Aug 25 03:13:41 ok cvirus tell us watodo Aug 25 03:14:01 * CVirus doesn't even own a FreeRunner Aug 25 03:14:05 hrm Aug 25 03:14:12 dangit man Aug 25 03:14:16 it doesn't give me an error anymore when I try to set the key Aug 25 03:14:19 but neither does it seem to work.. Aug 25 03:14:29 what's the reason for the slowness of the current 200808 GUI? bandwith of the graphics bus? usage of X11? usage of not-yet optimized apps? Aug 25 03:14:55 aalll of the above? Aug 25 03:15:33 hehe, ok... but is any of them the real bottleneck where a lot of performance improvements could be done? Aug 25 03:15:45 oh shit Aug 25 03:15:47 usb0 is gone Aug 25 03:15:50 wth? Aug 25 03:16:01 lemme try replugging... Aug 25 03:17:39 did the usb0 interface get renamed? Aug 25 03:17:44 this is bad, I can't connect to wifi Aug 25 03:17:50 and now I can't connect over usb either Aug 25 03:17:55 it was still usb0 on 20080820 Aug 25 03:18:15 Daenyth: but probably it's just your desktop/laptop which has lost it's usb0 interface... Aug 25 03:18:18 Daenyth, try booting with the usb out Aug 25 03:18:21 happened to me sometimes on unplugging Aug 25 03:18:27 and then plugging it in after Aug 25 03:18:34 eliasp: that makes no sense, I'm running ifconfig on the FR Aug 25 03:18:40 ah, ok Aug 25 03:18:53 rooly: ok.. Aug 25 03:18:54 then try what rooly suggests... worked here too Aug 25 03:19:13 it should only have to happen once if it works at all Aug 25 03:19:22 ok.. Aug 25 03:20:16 jesus Aug 25 03:20:24 who throws a party the night before school starts Aug 25 03:20:37 people who aren't in school anymore? :p Aug 25 03:20:49 ;-) Aug 25 03:21:12 i dunno...these are mostly school appartments Aug 25 03:21:38 of course...at these prices, i guess most of these people are still on their parents' income Aug 25 03:22:12 it's gone Aug 25 03:22:14 :/ Aug 25 03:22:17 what is Aug 25 03:22:18 even after a reboot like you said Aug 25 03:22:20 usb0 Aug 25 03:22:23 hrm Aug 25 03:22:36 Daenyth: check lsmod, whether it lists usbnet Aug 25 03:23:04 eliasp: aha! if I try to modprobe it, it doesn't exist Aug 25 03:23:37 so uh Aug 25 03:23:39 now what :| Aug 25 03:23:56 Daenyth: WLAN doesn't work too? Aug 25 03:24:10 eliasp: can't get it to connect Aug 25 03:24:11 so no change getting the usbnet module package on your FR? Aug 25 03:24:15 hmm Aug 25 03:24:20 I can try again Aug 25 03:24:23 you err...may want to flash your rootfs then Aug 25 03:24:41 uhm, stop... Aug 25 03:24:43 sorry... Aug 25 03:24:46 there is not usbnet module Aug 25 03:24:50 seems to be builtin Aug 25 03:26:06 ok Aug 25 03:26:20 I can iwconfig eth0 essid mynet; iwconfig eth0 key blahblah Aug 25 03:26:31 udhcpc eth0 just keeps sending discover packets, no reply Aug 25 03:26:40 Daenyth: this will probably only work with WEP WLANs Aug 25 03:26:42 openmoko: 03tick * r4605 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.c opkg_error.h opkg_install.c): Aug 25 03:26:42 openmoko: remove build error on gcc 3.4 Aug 25 03:26:42 openmoko: Thanks for jserv found and fix this. Aug 25 03:26:46 eliasp: it is wep Aug 25 03:26:49 ok Aug 25 03:27:07 wow, there is still GCC 3.4 used for builds? Aug 25 03:27:49 gcc 3.4 is probably like the 2.4 kernel in slackware Aug 25 03:28:01 it's there because it's "stable" and "reliable" Aug 25 03:28:31 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080824-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz <<-- is this the rootfs I want? Aug 25 03:29:00 or the jffs2 Aug 25 03:29:07 the jffs2 Aug 25 03:29:11 the other yeah Aug 25 03:29:50 * rooly sighs Aug 25 03:29:56 why is everything written in python Aug 25 03:30:01 yeah :/ Aug 25 03:30:27 I'm gonna flash this then go to bed Aug 25 03:30:37 rooly: because it sucks ;] Aug 25 03:30:43 how about flashplayer on openmoko browser? Aug 25 03:31:07 rooly: so you can fix bugs faster without recompiling, and you can do it with vi on moko Aug 25 03:31:11 nah, they'd probably write it in python Aug 25 03:31:20 i know, torindel Aug 25 03:31:32 but it has the problem of being terribly slow Aug 25 03:32:50 slaxxin: i don't knwo whether there is a flash player for ARM available... AFAIK the flash-player bases on a lot of x86 assembler code Aug 25 03:33:19 rooly: fso plans to rewrite parts in c, after stabilizing Aug 25 03:33:35 what kind of Arch does the iPhone use? IIRC there's now a flashplayer available for it.. if it's ARM too, it could probably be hacked up to be used on the FR too Aug 25 03:33:48 eliasp, it's arm, iirc Aug 25 03:33:52 eliasp: arm too Aug 25 03:33:55 slaxxin: another possibility... try Gnash or swfdec Aug 25 03:34:12 there is a flashplayer for the n800 Aug 25 03:34:20 eliasp: and it wont be so easy since iphone uses newer arm Aug 25 03:34:24 thats a much easier bet if u want to go binary hacking Aug 25 03:34:28 same with n800 Aug 25 03:34:28 how does aircrack work? does the wlan support monitor mode? Aug 25 03:34:30 ah, it's ARM5, right? Aug 25 03:34:33 injection? Aug 25 03:34:34 yes Aug 25 03:34:50 eliasp: armv5 Aug 25 03:35:01 and armv5 != arm5 Aug 25 03:35:02 in all reality Aug 25 03:35:12 goddamit! Aug 25 03:35:17 anything u get workign with a binary flashplayer will last as longas that particular binary is around Aug 25 03:35:19 i want me freakin gtk interface back Aug 25 03:35:21 and then break for a new release Aug 25 03:35:23 most likely Aug 25 03:35:25 it's so much easier Aug 25 03:35:25 eliasp: armv5 is arm9 Aug 25 03:35:29 it wil be a never-ending cat and mouse game Aug 25 03:35:36 if someone wants to sink their lives into it Aug 25 03:35:37 fine Aug 25 03:35:43 but its probably a fairly big waste Aug 25 03:36:17 better play with gnash and stuff ;] Aug 25 03:37:13 wtf... Aug 25 03:37:17 * rooly sighs Aug 25 03:37:29 i've lost my dfu connection somehow Aug 25 03:37:29 sigh@usb1.1 Aug 25 03:37:34 brings back memories... Aug 25 03:38:12 woops Aug 25 03:38:14 tee hee Aug 25 03:40:36 i was plugged into the wrong miniusb cable Aug 25 03:41:03 note to self, the ac adapter does not form a connection to the laptop... Aug 25 03:41:17 hahaha Aug 25 03:42:51 rooly: well you could make charger laptop usb cable (external charger+laptop usb cable) as on wiki ;] Aug 25 03:43:26 or howbout a double usb-cable thingy Aug 25 03:43:36 that sucks up a whole amp Aug 25 03:43:53 better get charger+cable Aug 25 03:44:19 hell, i could convert it so that all 4 of my usb ports act as a charger Aug 25 03:44:25 it will give you 1+ amp for sure and you wont be useing X usb ports Aug 25 03:44:27 whew, that would be some POWER Aug 25 03:44:52 rooly: your usb controller might not be up to it ;] Aug 25 03:45:17 as its not power plant and it have limited power output ;] Aug 25 03:45:28 i think this machine might have 2 usb controllers, since the two on the left have more output than the two on the right Aug 25 03:47:24 god the mailing lists are horrid here :< Aug 25 03:47:50 mixed top, bottom, inline posts, people quoting 50-line mails to send a 1-2line reply Aug 25 03:48:00 people don't know how to be polite on mls anymore :< Aug 25 03:49:01 * rooly sighs Aug 25 03:49:08 why is my uboot stuck to nor? Aug 25 03:49:22 I like the boot screen Aug 25 03:49:23 boots :p Aug 25 03:49:25 aux button stuck? Aug 25 03:49:29 no Aug 25 03:49:36 i can't get it to boot from nand Aug 25 03:49:42 i mean uboot itself Aug 25 03:49:47 i've flashed it a dozen times now Aug 25 03:50:15 aux button determines (in hardware) whether NAND or NOR u-boot is loaded when the device boots Aug 25 03:50:32 oh does it Aug 25 03:50:49 because, iirc, aux + pow loads up uboot Aug 25 03:51:12 urk Aug 25 03:51:17 multipad keyboard, ick Aug 25 03:51:59 u-boot is loaded whenever the device powers on. If you press only the power button, you use the NAND copy of u-boot and it will automatically execute the "bootcmd" environment variable without displaying a menu Aug 25 03:52:35 right Aug 25 03:52:40 If you hold power then aux you get NAND u-boot and it will display its menu. If you hold aux then power you get NOR (with a menu) Aug 25 03:52:49 sometimes, the nand loads Aug 25 03:52:49 mmontour: ahh interesting Aug 25 03:53:20 that does make a difference Aug 25 03:53:22 right Aug 25 03:53:23 kk Aug 25 03:53:26 * rooly now knows Aug 25 03:54:06 still can't get my dhcp on my wireless network Aug 25 03:54:32 ahh, I can't set essid and key in the same line Aug 25 04:00:43 where do i find software for 2008.8? Aug 25 04:11:30 * torindel fights with distcc Aug 25 04:11:43 fight the good fight Aug 25 04:12:15 you're not attempting distcc to arm are you? Aug 25 04:12:38 why? Aug 25 04:13:31 i hear that's a bear Aug 25 04:13:45 probably why you're fighting ;) Aug 25 04:17:48 I keep getting notifications over and over saying that the gsm modem is powering down Aug 25 04:18:12 I tried launching this game and it seemed to crash, so I restarted X Aug 25 04:27:52 * mmontour does a happy-dance Aug 25 04:28:52 * raster does a happy moon Aug 25 04:28:54 Fixed some low-battery / charging bugs in u-boot Aug 25 04:30:37 ;] Aug 25 04:31:52 * torindel points Aug 25 04:31:54 "i'm with the bear" Aug 25 04:34:07 wow Aug 25 04:34:08 man Aug 25 04:34:17 each time i use it i wish they had never gotten away from it Aug 25 04:34:24 om2007.2's interface is so fast and clean Aug 25 04:34:35 ugly it may be, it's also spartan Aug 25 04:34:44 it has an endearing quality Aug 25 04:35:09 distcc is evil Aug 25 04:35:40 ok well it works, but like, it isnt used most of the time -__- Aug 25 04:36:12 and if im thinking right it didnt even connect to half of distcc hosts Aug 25 04:38:12 * torindel goes to sleep Aug 25 04:38:15 night all Aug 25 04:39:14 This podcast reviews the new openmoko neo freerunner http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_and_Open_Source_Technology_Podcast_Episode_8 Aug 25 05:03:27 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_and_Open_Source_Technology_Podcast_Episode_8 Aug 25 05:47:21 hi my touchscreen is not responding. any tips on how to fix it? Aug 25 05:50:43 rebooted yet? Aug 25 05:51:11 AntonTakk: ? no Aug 25 05:51:28 :) Aug 25 05:53:12 AntonTakk: i rebooted the phone Aug 25 05:53:15 still no response Aug 25 06:02:41 newb_, can you ssh into the phone? Aug 25 06:02:55 cb22: yes i can :) Aug 25 06:03:25 what distro are you running? Aug 25 06:03:34 cb22: om2007.2 Aug 25 06:04:02 hmmm, did it just stop working or has it never worked? Aug 25 06:04:11 cb22: stopped working :( Aug 25 06:05:22 when im flashing my build image into neo1973, i have flashed uImage successfully into the device. but when im flashing kernal image im getting the error like this " dfu-download error -110" . can anybody help me? Aug 25 06:05:33 hmm, i don't have a freerunner yet, but maybe try run xev and see if you get anything Aug 25 06:06:16 cb22: that's for me? Aug 25 06:06:23 newb_, yep Aug 25 06:06:44 you'll probably have to export DISPLAY=":0.0" first Aug 25 06:10:01 cb22: i'm getting button press and release events Aug 25 06:11:11 newb_, hmm, your touch screen could just be miscalibrated, try run tscal (i think) Aug 25 06:12:07 cb22: ok Aug 25 06:16:11 cb22: ts_calibrate: determinant is too small -- 0.000000 Aug 25 06:16:21 cb22: calibration failed Aug 25 06:16:55 newb_, hmmm, read the wiki page about debian, there is something you can copy over, i gotta run, sorry Aug 25 06:17:10 cb22: i think it's a h/w prob Aug 25 06:56:34 has anyone had h/w issues with the touch screen? Aug 25 06:58:17 good morning Aug 25 06:58:51 Hopscotch, good morning! Aug 25 07:00:42 has anyone has h/w issues with the tscreen? i want to know how i can DIY and fix it Aug 25 07:01:30 newb_, I have not, but I think the community-list has a thread from someone who cracked their screen. You might check that out. Aug 25 07:02:02 KenYoung: how? Aug 25 07:02:36 newb, Do you mean how did he crack the screen, or how to check the community-list, or how something else? Aug 25 07:03:54 i'm still trying to figure out how my usb power switch / boost converter fried :s Aug 25 07:04:59 KenYoung: let me check the community list Aug 25 07:06:16 KenYoung: can't find the list Aug 25 07:07:01 newb_, Check the August list, the thread is entitled "A very sad story..." I didn't read the whole thread, but I know the guy was trying to find out how to replace a broken screen. Aug 25 07:07:14 hi folks Aug 25 07:07:34 newb_, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/thread.html Aug 25 07:07:48 i suspend that my vibrator isnt working , how can i manually force device to vibrate ( by shell ? ) Aug 25 07:07:50 newb_, Search for "sad". Aug 25 07:09:00 KenYoung: ok Aug 25 07:09:08 KenYoung: can't find anything with sad Aug 25 07:10:10 newb_, It's there, here's the first entry: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025729.html Aug 25 07:11:38 KenYoung: i haven't cracked my LCD. it's just not responding correctly. Aug 25 07:12:41 newb_, Sorry, that's as close as I can get to being helpful. I thought you wanted info on how to replace the LCD screen. I think that thread has a discussion of that. Aug 25 07:12:59 newb_: have you dismantled the phone? Aug 25 07:13:59 XorA no. i have not Aug 25 07:14:04 newb_: also does your screen work in X and not Y or vice versa? Aug 25 07:14:50 ts_test_raw will print the raw value returned from touchscreen Aug 25 07:14:53 XorA: just gimme a minute i'll tell u Aug 25 07:29:18 XorA: do you if there is anyway to tell if a headset is plugged in before boot up? Aug 25 07:29:58 XorA: only way I know os from input device and when the headset is plugged in prior to booting, it never gets an input generated Aug 25 07:30:11 ljp: I think you would have to use the interrupt pin as a general IO and test Aug 25 07:30:24 ouch Aug 25 07:30:40 by the way, the FS of my microsdhc card was eaten again... Aug 25 07:31:01 fsck running for 5 minutes now and spitting messages like wild Aug 25 07:31:05 ljp: probably something for the kernel list, I think it wont generate an IRQ to indicate insertion in that state so we should probably test on boot and set some flag Aug 25 07:35:36 hiho all Aug 25 07:36:19 Anyone know a decent PDF viewer that I can run on fso-testing ? Aug 25 07:36:58 XoraA: the screen works only in X. the Y values are STUCK Aug 25 07:36:59 * beni_ is interested in pdf too Aug 25 07:37:10 XorA: the screen works only in X not in Y Aug 25 07:37:28 hipitihop: i would try xpdf, but i dont know if it is available for ARM Aug 25 07:37:37 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/epdfview_0.1.6-r3_armv4t.ipk Aug 25 07:37:49 ieatlint: thanks Aug 25 07:38:00 if it says you've missing dependencies, they'll be in that directory Aug 25 07:38:24 that's a decent small pdf viewer... 4mb graphical pdf takes ~40s to load, but then navigates smoothly Aug 25 07:39:14 nice Aug 25 07:40:39 ieatlint, I'll have a look thnaks Aug 25 07:41:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Epdfview Aug 25 07:41:04 XorA: :( Aug 25 07:41:05 describes it a bit Aug 25 07:41:50 beni_, ieatlint will it show up on the ilume desktop ? Aug 25 07:42:02 yeah, it creates an icon for illume Aug 25 07:42:08 XorA: ? Aug 25 07:42:21 well... not a graphical one, just a blank icon with the subtitle "epdfviewer" Aug 25 07:42:21 ieatlint, cool, will install shortly Aug 25 07:42:58 while we are at it, is there a clean file manager ui app also ? Aug 25 07:43:09 hmmm, should i order a pizza? Aug 25 07:44:05 pepperoni and mushroom for me Aug 25 07:45:08 there's an "openmoko-filebrowser" for 2007.2 ... not sure what it consists of Aug 25 07:50:38 XorA: my Y values aren't working right Aug 25 07:51:01 XorA: hope u can help me fix this. will b willing to open up the case. Aug 25 07:55:32 which packages contain libficgta01vendor.so ? Aug 25 07:56:19 newb_: it sounds like cable/connector damage Aug 25 07:56:21 yeah, super. fsck segfaults while repairing my corrupted microsdhc Aug 25 07:56:47 newb_: the cables are quite tricky from what I remeber Aug 25 07:57:22 XorA: best suggestion? Aug 25 07:57:25 newb_: did you get it from a reseller? Aug 25 07:57:33 XorA: yea i got it from a reseller Aug 25 07:57:54 anybody tried any of the snapshots of fso, i tried 20080824 but it has "no debus" Aug 25 07:57:55 newb_: contact them and see if they have capability to look for you Aug 25 07:58:06 I know some of the resellers are doing minor repairs Aug 25 07:58:37 XorA: ok i will do that. i think at my workplace we have good enough expertise to fix all these touch screens. we make mobile devices too. Aug 25 07:59:24 newb_: cool, I suspect that one of the pins used for X is not making connection Aug 25 07:59:34 newb_: as otherwise the screen seems to be working Aug 25 08:06:00 XorA: is there a good video where they show how to open up the device without damaging it? :) Aug 25 08:07:26 is there some package for cisco vpns for openmoko? If not, can someone give me a starting hint how to cross-compile it? Aug 25 08:08:28 newb_: there are detailed instructions in wiki somewhere Aug 25 08:08:37 newb_: we use guitar picks :-) Aug 25 08:08:49 sorry , anyone knows which packages contain libficgta01vendor.so ? or where i can find the packages name ( packages.debian.org like web page ) Aug 25 08:08:53 XorA: yikes! Aug 25 08:09:09 Zoup: its in qtopia-x11-*.ipk somewhere Aug 25 08:09:21 Zoup: the package name should be self explanatory Aug 25 08:09:54 newb_: basically you unscrew the two screws, run something soft and plastic around the join until all the catches pop, then it just comes apart Aug 25 08:10:50 XorA: ok sounds VERY INTERESTING Aug 25 08:11:04 XorA: I HAVE TO TAKE IT APART NOW!!! :) Aug 25 08:14:50 * newb_ gets busy looking for a guitar pick Aug 25 08:15:05 newb_: corner of a credit card works as well Aug 25 08:15:27 XorA: yes it's just like a guitar pick. :) Aug 25 08:15:30 newb_: just as long as its soft enough it doesnt scratch the phone Aug 25 08:15:34 ieatlint, hmmm epdf showed the images but struggles to shwo any text and also managed to crash it. is there another ? Aug 25 08:17:31 sucht jemand bande ??? Aug 25 08:27:38 where there are lots of packages in opkg list that are not available in installer ? Aug 25 08:28:26 why there are i mean :) Aug 25 08:28:59 are you talking about 2008.8 ? Aug 25 08:31:05 i assume - these ones in installer might be "stable" ( or less unstable ;P) Aug 25 08:33:40 marcinsoo: i see Aug 25 08:35:48 ahoi Aug 25 08:38:53 Zoup : can you see your contacts from SIM ? yesterday i could, it disapeared by itself :/ Aug 25 08:39:39 marcinsoo: i can , still! Aug 25 08:40:47 i'll try to reinstall contacts Aug 25 08:42:09 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07zhone * re93a835df742 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added profiles applications Aug 25 08:45:07 is rwhitby about ? Aug 25 08:47:52 newb_: FR still alive ? ;-) Aug 25 08:48:02 someone here a coupl eof days ago mentioned another distribution they were about to release, anyone rember or have a link Aug 25 08:49:14 anyone have an evince package suitable for fso-testing ? Aug 25 08:51:36 what is the best viewer available for the fr ? I have a PDF but epdf seems flaky. Happy to convert to another format if the viewer is good Aug 25 08:52:02 assuming there is an easy pdf -> whatever converter Aug 25 08:52:46 epdfview is quite good, Ill have to see about making it appear in the feeds Aug 25 08:53:01 Hmm... There's opiereader which is supposedly quite good - never used it myself, though :) Aug 25 08:53:59 XorA, just tried epdfview and could not get it to show text, images seemed ok and could not get out of full screen mode. Do you have link to ipk you are using ? Aug 25 08:54:23 hipitihop: hmm, sounds like we dont install enough fonts Aug 25 08:54:32 hipitihop: I dont have a .ipk handy Aug 25 08:54:58 I used it for years on my zaurus Aug 25 08:55:26 XorA, ieatlint suggested this one http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/epdfview_0.1.6-r3_armv4t.ipk but I have no idea what or how to install sufficient fonts Aug 25 08:55:52 I'm trying to find out a bug I suspect Aug 25 08:56:00 hipitihop: Ill try and remeber to give it a look Aug 25 08:56:09 It seems that the automatic time update has a flaw Aug 25 08:56:25 (at least it has had this night for me) Aug 25 09:14:56 Zoup: are you using debian? Aug 25 09:15:59 lindi-: yes Aug 25 09:16:10 lindi-: aem no , om2008 on moko :)) Aug 25 09:17:33 Zoup: since with debian you can see the packages in http://pkg-fso.nomeata.de/ Aug 25 09:17:58 Zoup: (for the pkg-fso packages that are not in debian yet) Aug 25 09:18:12 lindi-: are you using debian on moko ? i have few questions Aug 25 09:18:18 Zoup: yes Aug 25 09:18:35 Zoup: mailing list works much better for questions, i am at work right now Aug 25 09:18:52 lindi-: just few question , is this stable and working as a phone ? Aug 25 09:19:03 for me yes Aug 25 09:19:08 lindi-:well , is this better than 0m's ? Aug 25 09:19:22 for development at least Aug 25 09:19:37 i had trouble compiling other distros Aug 25 09:19:52 lindi-: its only possible to install debian on ssd card ,right ? Aug 25 09:20:27 Zoup: more or less true, somebody posted instructions to make it fit on nand flash though. but you don't have much room for development then Aug 25 09:20:44 that might happen with emdebian in the future but not now Aug 25 09:21:17 lindi-: thanks , last question , i need to run my own X and windows managers right ? where will be dialer and other free runner specific applications ? Aug 25 09:34:45 DocScrutinizer: i was out for lunch Aug 25 09:38:23 hm, he /parted Aug 25 09:43:21 running om2008 here , can anyone guide my how can i upgrade to latest testing release ? Aug 25 09:43:40 you'll have to add zecke's feeds Aug 25 09:43:47 note: these are not "official" Aug 25 09:44:06 Zorkman: i really wonder how to do that , and choose which directory Aug 25 09:44:29 it's soemwher eon the ML, give me a sec and I'll find it for you Aug 25 09:44:37 Zorkman: something like this ? : src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/qtopia-testing/ Aug 25 09:44:40 Zorkman: thank you very much Aug 25 09:45:01 ok Zoup, there are two feeds: development/unstable and testing feeds Aug 25 09:45:10 if you're not a developper I would suggest the testing feeds Aug 25 09:45:18 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all Aug 25 09:45:18 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t Aug 25 09:45:18 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/i686 Aug 25 09:45:18 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973 Aug 25 09:45:18 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02 Aug 25 09:45:35 you'll have to edit your /etc/opkg/ files Aug 25 09:46:09 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all Aug 25 09:46:09 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t Aug 25 09:46:09 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/i686 Aug 25 09:46:09 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973 Aug 25 09:46:09 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02 Aug 25 09:46:17 sorry wrong copy-paste Aug 25 09:46:28 i'll PM you Aug 25 10:04:33 Morning people. Aug 25 10:04:44 morning Aug 25 10:04:57 morning Aug 25 10:04:57 Software status - NOT a stable or usable phone yet. Aug 25 10:05:01 haha ;) Aug 25 10:06:28 do i need gpsd to use gps under om2008 ? Aug 25 10:06:48 Milestone 3 is due in afew weeks... Hopefully should be stable ;) Aug 25 10:07:22 Zorkman: how does your testing correlate to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ if at all? Aug 25 10:07:45 Zoup: Locations seems to work without gpsd Aug 25 10:08:23 a day or 4 ago Mickey sayd that 7-10days was realistic :) Aug 25 10:08:33 so lets hope it doesn't become "in a few weeks":) Aug 25 10:10:46 The commits have slowed but I'll hopefully recieve my OM by the release and ready for debugging :) Aug 25 10:10:58 I assume they are testing inhouse. Aug 25 10:11:42 opkg says " Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 25 10:11:52 there is no opkg process or file under /tmp Aug 25 10:12:26 zoup-> i you run apt-get in terminal, synaptic will tell you that there is apt runing Aug 25 10:12:36 it is not necesary zhat there is opkg running Aug 25 10:12:57 maybe opkg is program wich uses another program wich uses administrative lock Aug 25 10:13:10 vatts: aaaaha , i really wonder what other application can make that lock Aug 25 10:13:15 or that "another program" is still runing Aug 25 10:13:31 Zoup, reboot and try again or ctrl + alt + backspace =P Aug 25 10:13:52 * vatts stabs openwindows Aug 25 10:13:59 ^^it is closed Aug 25 10:18:21 ja Wohl, General ;) Aug 25 10:20:41 Zoup: killall packagekit Aug 25 10:28:09 morning Aug 25 10:30:13 llo Aug 25 10:34:44 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07zhone * r2c5f288cf0ba 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: Forgot to commit zhone.edc Aug 25 10:36:30 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r006f053c0dcd 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] add epdfview nice small pdf viewer Aug 25 10:40:01 anyone know how to configure a matchbox panel? Aug 25 10:42:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues Are these problems still current? Aug 25 10:42:42 mostly, yes Aug 25 10:58:36 we have any debian users here? Aug 25 10:59:46 in general, or on a FR? :) Aug 25 11:00:28 i'm trying to set up a matchbox based gui Aug 25 11:05:58 anyone know where the gnome channel is? Aug 25 11:06:44 when i switch in headset, internal speacker are not stoped Aug 25 11:07:17 dns53: #gnome seems like a good guess :) Aug 25 11:08:28 also note that the gnome people got their own irc server Aug 25 11:53:44 anyone have evince running on fso-testing, alternatively what fonts do I need for epdfview ? Aug 25 12:06:25 hello Aug 25 12:06:56 anybody running debian on their freerunner? anyboody in the uk? Aug 25 12:07:22 trying to decide if I should jump in or just wait.. Aug 25 12:11:11 treb0r: wait Aug 25 12:11:16 yeah Aug 25 12:11:30 i'm not in the uk though Aug 25 12:12:59 question, my signal and battery icons have become very small relative to my clock in the top bar (OM2008.8). I've played with ilume-config to no avail. Any ideas? Aug 25 12:13:44 Toaster, very small? Aug 25 12:13:58 In the newer upgrades/images the taskbar icons have become smaller Aug 25 12:14:04 I'm not sure if that's what you're getting at. Aug 25 12:14:51 Dave: extremly small (maybe 5-8 pixals?) Aug 25 12:15:04 Dave: already at work? it must be ~8:14 in new jersey? Aug 25 12:16:42 Toaster`: rm -r ~/.e Aug 25 12:16:51 yep Aug 25 12:16:57 bumble, about to leave ;) Aug 25 12:17:04 or mv ~/.e /.e.bak Aug 25 12:17:28 ah then Aug 25 12:18:45 have fun at work Aug 25 12:19:37 bumbl: then restart X right? Aug 25 12:19:52 Toaster`: yes Aug 25 12:20:24 much better. Thanks bumbl, Dave. Aug 25 12:22:35 icewesel takes too much memory for a phone Aug 25 12:22:45 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd18e249f70db 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-image_1.2.6.bb: [libsdl-image] new version 1.2.6, doesnt need autotools.patch Aug 25 12:22:45 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r1bac640a51bf 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.7.1/Setup python-pygame_1.7.1.bb): [python-pygame] it seems libSDL-* stuff changed name sometime, catching Aug 25 12:24:54 dns53: unfortunately. Aug 25 12:25:08 dns53: firefox is kind of bloated ... you might try epiphany; I don't like it but it should be not that fat Aug 25 12:26:20 the webkit version or the geko version? Aug 25 12:26:48 webkit Aug 25 12:27:07 is much lighter than gecko (look at the iphone) Aug 25 12:27:45 you know how to configure the matchbox panel and menu? Aug 25 12:29:44 dns53: you either look at the text config files Aug 25 12:29:52 or you get the right click working Aug 25 12:31:38 eh? Aug 25 12:32:03 heh, iceweasel Aug 25 12:32:13 rwhitby, you about ? Aug 25 12:34:25 goxboxlive interesting nick Aug 25 12:34:40 dns53: yes isent it Aug 25 12:34:47 s'kjera? Aug 25 12:35:06 :) Aug 25 12:35:14 Zorkman! \o/ Aug 25 12:35:18 for teh win! Aug 25 12:36:06 When I try to test some software on the Freerunner from an ssh session, I get the following error. How do work around it? I've tried setting DISPLAY to :0.0, but it doesn't help: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Aug 25 12:36:31 zorkman, wanneer is jouw verjaardag? Aug 25 12:36:44 november 19, why? Aug 25 12:36:54 ga jij dit jaar een feestje geven? Aug 25 12:37:00 probably :) Aug 25 12:37:03 :D Aug 25 12:37:03 try display=localhost:0 Aug 25 12:37:05 with lots of booze! Aug 25 12:37:10 hehe Aug 25 12:37:33 if you're around... everyone with a FR gets a geek-cap :) Aug 25 12:37:39 :D! Aug 25 12:37:45 Am I invited? :P Aug 25 12:37:49 sure Aug 25 12:37:57 \o/ Aug 25 12:38:10 you can check my current location with tangogps :) Aug 25 12:38:24 the party will be in ghent though Aug 25 12:38:30 :P Aug 25 12:38:35 dns53: Doesn't help. I think it works from the terminal on the phone, so it's probably related to some environment variable. Aug 25 12:38:36 oh, okay :) Aug 25 12:38:50 * Dave does the tango Aug 25 12:39:00 can someone point to a ipk file for epdf or xpdf, I'm using fso-testing and need something usable Aug 25 12:39:12 there are only two people being displayed in belgium, so it shouldn't be too hard to find me :) Aug 25 12:39:22 :D Aug 25 12:40:00 Ah, I forgot about that... Aug 25 12:40:06 Where is that cool display page, anyway? Aug 25 12:40:26 display page? Aug 25 12:41:18 People Aug 25 12:42:00 click on friends Aug 25 12:42:05 on the uttom Aug 25 12:42:27 then there is a section "getting other's position" Aug 25 12:43:08 big [insert insane minister/agency here] is watching you Aug 25 12:43:10 Dave: "lazy lulu" is relatively close to you :) Aug 25 12:44:17 lol, on august 13 wurp was floating aroun on the west coast of afrika :) Aug 25 12:44:25 wurp2|working: what were you doing there? :p Aug 25 12:44:36 (together with bazz and elleo :)) Aug 25 12:44:40 o_O Aug 25 12:44:43 what what!? Aug 25 12:44:57 wtf!? Aug 25 12:45:38 stong and hexer look like the rescue party sent out to recover his body Aug 25 12:45:47 (august 21 and 23) Aug 25 12:46:07 if wurp2|working is really working, I think he is a zombie (probably working at taking over the world...) Aug 25 12:47:52 rwhitby is also visible Aug 25 12:48:51 haha Aug 25 12:49:01 I should have made my exploits visible... Aug 25 12:49:06 good thing I've got all the GPS records! Aug 25 12:49:12 I can make my own map :) Aug 25 12:49:36 Zorkman: yeah, tango should probably disregard 0,0 as a position ;) Aug 25 12:49:50 :) Aug 25 12:50:37 first one on antarctica (withough cheating) wins THE PRIZE! Aug 25 12:51:24 whats the prize? :P Aug 25 12:51:29 AFRICA PARTY! Aug 25 12:51:32 Everyone's there! :P Aug 25 12:51:34 haw Aug 25 12:52:13 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * reb5c937290bd 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] add python-pygame Aug 25 12:52:13 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2af69bd40d9e 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [prefferred-om-versions] use the newer libSDL-image Aug 25 12:53:06 it's rasters last week @openmoko Aug 25 12:53:14 we should throw him a party! Aug 25 12:55:07 if only tangoGPS could do routing... Aug 25 12:55:16 really? Aug 25 12:55:25 Did he get voted off the island? Aug 25 12:55:39 don't know how it went, but he's quitting Aug 25 12:55:46 :O Aug 25 12:55:49 he said so some weeks ago (also wrote it in a mail) Aug 25 12:55:58 RASTER, BRING US THE GLAMO DOCS ON YOUR WAY OUT, PLEASE. Aug 25 12:56:05 :D :D :D Aug 25 12:56:07 \o/ Aug 25 12:56:09 >:) Aug 25 12:56:16 That's the best way to go out! Aug 25 12:56:16 :) Aug 25 12:56:18 that would be the day Aug 25 12:57:26 hmm, does the freerunner gpu already work with mesa (for opengl) ? Aug 25 12:57:49 I doubt it Aug 25 12:57:54 Is it "opkg remove " is right way to uninstall? Aug 25 12:58:29 jup Aug 25 13:00:21 grawr Aug 25 13:04:17 Hi... Aug 25 13:05:01 I accidentally entered my sim pin too many times... I rebooted and now it does not give me the option of entering the puk-code Aug 25 13:05:35 is there any way I can enter the puk-code or make the pin entering app start again? Aug 25 13:05:44 fursund: file a bug report Aug 25 13:06:00 fursund: and insert your sim in another phone and enter the puk code Aug 25 13:06:01 sure Aug 25 13:06:13 i don't think puk is implemented yet Aug 25 13:07:00 fursund: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1084 Aug 25 13:07:32 hmm ok... actually it asked for the puk... but then I rebooted because I thought that might give me the possibility of entering the pin again (I know it doesn't really, I was just too fast)... when I rebooted the pin app does not show up again Aug 25 13:08:10 seems like dbus has something for puk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Aug 25 13:08:15 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Unlock( s:puk, s:new_pin ) Aug 25 13:08:28 fursund, yes, you can manually trigger the PIN dialog Aug 25 13:09:31 Dave, how? Aug 25 13:09:54 I don't remember specifically, but I'm pretty sure it's on the wiki Aug 25 13:10:04 There's a whole second about the PIN dialog issue :) Aug 25 13:10:14 Zorkman how would I use that command? Aug 25 13:10:25 can you point me to it? Aug 25 13:10:31 forsund: that is only implemented in FSO I think Aug 25 13:10:37 because I could not find it... Aug 25 13:10:45 ok thanks Zorkman Aug 25 13:12:28 MMS support is available on the Neo? Aug 25 13:12:58 ronny: you're on television Aug 25 13:13:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqO0wTmn9o Aug 25 13:13:18 at 1:53 Aug 25 13:13:45 oO Aug 25 13:13:49 omg, they got me Aug 25 13:16:54 i was still using tangogps 0.9.2-r1 Aug 25 13:17:42 Dave: raster quitted because sean promised him that he could bring in his ideas for the moko and that he is allowed to implement features he and the community want after he has done some basics of illume Aug 25 13:25:47 I'm running tangogps on fso-testing and keep seeing "GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running" in my terminal. suggestions ? Aug 25 13:25:48 has anyone managed to conk out their touchscreen over here? Aug 25 13:28:01 newb_, i managed to scratch the touchscreen with a HP Ipaq pen... Aug 25 13:28:13 newb_, the HP pens tip is too hard Aug 25 13:28:30 hari: my touch screen died today. it doesn't register clicks in the Y Axis :) Aug 25 13:28:43 hari: u ever opened up ur neo? Aug 25 13:28:47 mine works, but the display has two small scratches now.. idiot me Aug 25 13:28:55 opened yes, disassembled, no Aug 25 13:29:52 hari: how did u open it up? Aug 25 13:30:10 hari: is it a good idea at all to open it up? Aug 25 13:30:15 you can open the shell when you grab it on top of the phone Aug 25 13:30:29 you have access to the battery, sim, SD card and GPS antenna then Aug 25 13:30:40 i've not been farther than that.. Aug 25 13:38:34 Dave, you still here? Aug 25 13:41:59 hari: how did u open up the phone? Aug 25 13:42:16 oh! Aug 25 13:42:20 u haven't dismantled it :P Aug 25 13:42:28 when i said open i meant dismantling Aug 25 13:42:37 no Aug 25 13:42:40 removing the back cover isn't my idea of opening a phone Aug 25 13:44:01 how come there is no wiki instructions on how to open up the phone :(? Aug 25 13:45:23 <|Marco|> well, you need a screwdriver of a spesial sort for it to fit so you can pop the covers Aug 25 13:45:34 newb_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 Aug 25 13:45:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Installing_the_Micro-SD_card.2C_the_SIM_card.2C_and_the_Battery Aug 25 13:46:14 XorA: yay!! ur still here. i fell asleep Aug 25 13:46:30 newb_: heh, Im tired as well, must be catching Aug 25 13:49:39 can someone point me to latest ipk file for epdfview I'm using fso-testing and its not included in the feeds Aug 25 13:49:45 Xora! Aug 25 13:50:38 bumble? Aug 25 13:50:45 and? Aug 25 13:50:47 Zorkman, yes. Aug 25 13:51:26 you have, or know anyojne with a sony e-book reader? Aug 25 13:51:58 http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665245739 Aug 25 13:52:12 they're still not available in europe :(:(: Aug 25 13:52:26 although i've seen an english site where we can pre-oder Aug 25 13:52:28 Hmm? Aug 25 13:52:44 Zorkman, want one? Aug 25 13:53:01 yeah I'm thinking of buying one since I learned about it Aug 25 13:53:07 how can I change the packagekit fonts ? to make the smaller ? Aug 25 13:53:53 there's a dutch alternative (illiad), but that one has all kind of stuf I don't need and costs too much (for a mere student :-)) Aug 25 13:54:14 Zorkman: if it is the one I mean (also a sony) it is available at a german distributor Aug 25 13:54:44 it is? for how much? and do you know the name fo the distributor? Aug 25 13:55:35 heh Aug 25 13:55:42 Zorkman, show me? :D Aug 25 13:55:53 German knockoffs? Aug 25 13:55:54 :D Aug 25 13:55:55 show you what Dave? Aug 25 13:56:02 The Illiad? Aug 25 13:56:31 Zorkman: I am looking for the link myself - I have "lost" it Aug 25 13:56:40 :[ Aug 25 13:56:47 Dave: http://www.ebookreaders.nl/irex_iliad_2nd_edition Aug 25 13:56:51 :o Aug 25 13:56:53 Dave: http://www.ebookreaders.nl/iliad_book_edition Aug 25 13:56:55 oh it's an irex product Aug 25 13:57:02 yes it is Aug 25 13:57:08 http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad Aug 25 13:57:47 butr it's a bit too costly for me because i don't need wifi or touchscreen on such a device Aug 25 13:57:48 Zorkman: I read the link at heise Aug 25 13:58:58 bumbl: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Sony-bringt-elektronisches-Buch-mit-E-Ink-Display--/meldung/68001 but this is a very old message Aug 25 13:59:05 Dave: What have you found to be good games for the FR? Aug 25 13:59:10 so Dave, do you know someone in the states that has one? Aug 25 13:59:16 woot Aug 25 13:59:21 hehe, someone to join our club :) Aug 25 13:59:24 (I seem to recall you messing with a number of those, right?) Aug 25 13:59:24 sure Aug 25 13:59:26 hipitihop: I just built an epdfview seems to be working fine on buildhost builds Aug 25 13:59:31 epdfview works Aug 25 13:59:36 I have it on my freerunner Aug 25 13:59:36 hipitihop: buildhost will make an epdfview package tomorrow Aug 25 14:00:00 * XorA is pleasently suprised how fast epdview works on FR Aug 25 14:00:13 yeah :) Aug 25 14:00:16 pleasantly so Aug 25 14:00:25 though it taxes hard with some mega pdfs Aug 25 14:00:28 :p Aug 25 14:00:34 XorA is that rwhitby's builds for fsotesting and fs-unstable or something else ? Aug 25 14:00:39 What version do you have, Xora? Aug 25 14:00:55 Dave: epdfview_0.1.6-r3_armv4t.ipk Aug 25 14:01:04 Zorkman: no it is hidden in the comments to a story about kindle Aug 25 14:01:15 okay :) Aug 25 14:01:16 hipitihop: get rwhitby to add it to his builds Aug 25 14:01:42 to get it running, what do we have to do? install every ipk from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 ? Aug 25 14:01:47 XorA, will do, can I have you ipk or is it not compatible ? Aug 25 14:02:18 hipitihop: I think it should work with FSO, gimme a few mins to push to a site you can grab from Aug 25 14:02:45 XorA, appreciate it Aug 25 14:04:21 Zorkman :( Aug 25 14:04:35 hipitihop: https://people.openmoko.org/~graeme/epdfview/ Aug 25 14:05:03 Is the only way presently to get/view friends/people on tangogps is on the tangogps app? Aug 25 14:05:21 I would have thought there's be a decent web app/map by now :| Aug 25 14:05:26 XorA, thanks will try and and install and advise Aug 25 14:07:56 opkg: https://people.openmoko.org/~graeme/epdfview/epdfview_0.1.6-r3_armv4t.ipk: No such file or directory Aug 25 14:07:56 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Aug 25 14:08:34 ah i see, i need to download from http:// Aug 25 14:08:51 Dave: http://www.tangogps.org/friends/ Aug 25 14:08:55 I need power! Aug 25 14:08:55 root@hackofon:~# apm Aug 25 14:08:55 On-line, battery status critical: 2% (45d+12:15:00) Aug 25 14:09:27 plug it in ike :) Aug 25 14:09:31 bumbl, friend finder isn't that cool. Aug 25 14:09:54 i prefer his development time spent on better things. Aug 25 14:10:22 like ROUTING! Aug 25 14:10:31 should tie that into something like facebook Aug 25 14:10:38 are there planns to make tangogps being able to do routing? Aug 25 14:10:41 make it a whole lot more fun Aug 25 14:12:11 hello Aug 25 14:12:28 how can i check if python cairo is installed correctly? Aug 25 14:12:46 Zorkman, routing is for geeks. ;0 Aug 25 14:13:05 Zorkman: it's ALIVE! Aug 25 14:13:06 ;-) Aug 25 14:13:09 :) Aug 25 14:13:25 because i get "ImportError: No module named cairo" when i run pyPenNotes.py Aug 25 14:13:38 good Ike! now comes the hard part: keeping it alive :) Aug 25 14:13:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes Aug 25 14:14:04 I'm trying. I'm trying. Aug 25 14:14:25 But it's so ungrateful baby. Aug 25 14:14:58 smack it! Aug 25 14:15:39 w00t? :-) are you mad? Aug 25 14:16:30 if i install debian in fr , how can i see dialer , sms , etc ? Aug 25 14:17:10 Zoup: zhone Aug 25 14:17:13 are these FSO packages ? Aug 25 14:17:24 yes Aug 25 14:17:40 zhone is the fso testing gui Aug 25 14:17:46 bumbl: then how will i noticed if someone calls ? Aug 25 14:17:53 start zhone Aug 25 14:18:00 Yup.It will ring. Aug 25 14:18:01 XorA, :-( wants gtk+ (>= 2.12.11) Aug 25 14:18:18 Any progress on the White screen of death ? Aug 25 14:18:20 bumbl: so , under debian , for example XFCE , this zhone always had to be run , right ? Aug 25 14:18:55 XorA: it's nice Aug 25 14:18:59 hipitihop: crap, didnt I merge that back to OE yet :-( Aug 25 14:19:05 i running debian on FR has better performance than om's ? Aug 25 14:19:12 Zoup: unless you have another app which implements the fso specs, yes Aug 25 14:19:33 How are you gentlemen? Aug 25 14:19:35 bumbl: i mean is this faster than Oms ? lighter ? Aug 25 14:20:09 bumble, have you BEEN to friends? Aug 25 14:20:16 that was the answer to [16:18:19] bumbl: so , under debian , for example XFCE , this zhone always had to be run , right ? Aug 25 14:20:17 it's COMING SOON Aug 25 14:20:17 :P Aug 25 14:20:26 Dave: yes I was there Aug 25 14:20:27 Who's using zhone? Aug 25 14:20:31 yeah, it's nothing Aug 25 14:20:38 so the answer to my question must be 'yes' Aug 25 14:20:38 yeah Aug 25 14:20:46 Furthermore, why am I asking you guys :P Aug 25 14:20:48 XorA, opkg list *gtk+* on my fso-testing lists gtk+-fascaling* only Aug 25 14:20:53 that's what I want to tell you Aug 25 14:20:59 hm... can anyone recommend the current daily release for the gta02? (I'm using 20080819 right now and had some problems with suspend)? Aug 25 14:21:04 it's there but not finished yet Aug 25 14:21:05 hipitihop: hmm, looks like Ill have to sync back to OE the gtk+ changesw Aug 25 14:21:17 i have a problem with python an cairo Aug 25 14:21:22 hipitihop: OM.dev is ahead of OE.dev in this respect then Aug 25 14:21:23 where can i get more information about this? Aug 25 14:21:30 XorA, don't want to create work for you, I'm sure you have better things to do Aug 25 14:21:50 hipitihop: well a merge is due this week anyway, but not today Aug 25 14:22:01 probably tomorrow Aug 25 14:22:04 XorA, I'll have to be patient then I guess Aug 25 14:22:22 Xora, who keeps playing with the buildhost layout? :p Aug 25 14:22:35 XorA: when going to fullscreen there is no option to exit fullscreen :) Aug 25 14:22:36 XorA, so I geuss rwhitby can't do much until the merge either Aug 25 14:22:47 Dave: it hasnt changed for months Aug 25 14:23:14 Zorkman: well it is a desktop app that just happens to work well on PDA Aug 25 14:23:22 Zorkman: the author used to be receptive to patches Aug 25 14:23:32 Zorkman: I get them to change some stuff for us before :-) Aug 25 14:23:53 cough Aug 25 14:24:04 Can someone help me get mofi running Aug 25 14:24:07 Xora, then someone's changing the dist package Aug 25 14:24:21 I install the 0.02 ipkg, but I can't start it. When I try, it dies saying it can't load the cairo module Aug 25 14:24:36 (for om) Aug 25 14:24:43 Daenyth; I only had to instal the app and it worked... I can even connect to WPA2 withough making my own wpa_sup Aug 25 14:24:45 Dave: explain Aug 25 14:24:46 Daenath, still that? Aug 25 14:24:59 Daenyth: thre is a version 0 Aug 25 14:25:01 XorA, thanks for trying, will call it a day then. Aug 25 14:25:03 0.3 availbale i think Aug 25 14:25:07 Check out the openmoko discussed at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_and_Open_Source_Technology_Podcast_Episode_8 Aug 25 14:25:09 Zorkman: I'll try that Aug 25 14:25:14 Xora, there's a dist feed package which REPLACES your opkg feed conf Aug 25 14:25:16 It keeps changing Aug 25 14:25:33 and every two weeks or so when there appears to be an update for it, there are bad / fuckedup feeds in it Aug 25 14:25:33 I changed it a couple of weeks back to fix the my-distribution.org problem Aug 25 14:25:41 yeah, that was retarded :) Aug 25 14:25:51 * XorA blames FSO people for that one Aug 25 14:26:08 but the most recent one thinks there's a fic-* dir in daily-feed, which there (no longer?) is not Aug 25 14:26:09 but I havent changed it since then Aug 25 14:26:11 haha Aug 25 14:26:27 well there's one or two non-existant feeds in it Aug 25 14:26:31 :) Aug 25 14:26:44 though that my.distribution.com was terrible Aug 25 14:26:53 yeah, the fic-gta02 is a valid arch, but not a feed Aug 25 14:27:00 right Aug 25 14:27:01 does it make opkg bail, or just a warning? Aug 25 14:27:14 well it fails to get packages Aug 25 14:27:24 * hipitihop waves goodnight Aug 25 14:27:24 opkg still works but it's rather disconcerting Aug 25 14:27:30 By Hippityhop :) Aug 25 14:27:39 well if its just a warning Im inclined to ignore it Aug 25 14:28:04 Okay Aug 25 14:28:08 how can i unpack a .ipkg? Aug 25 14:28:19 i've tried .ipkg.tar.gz Aug 25 14:28:27 but i doesn't seam to work Aug 25 14:28:30 bumble I like how in this room my HDOP is 23.0 :D Aug 25 14:28:44 XorA: is it planned that opkg gets error messages that make sense? Aug 25 14:28:57 bumbl: I hope so Aug 25 14:29:03 Very little about opkg makes sense. Aug 25 14:29:04 bumbl: file bugs if you feel they are wrong Aug 25 14:29:13 Xora, who maintains opkg anyway? Aug 25 14:29:20 I sent complaints, is anyone alive there? Aug 25 14:29:53 It's been months, and I'm ready to come after them with pitchforks and torches :) Aug 25 14:29:57 I still can't do it Aug 25 14:30:01 cairo error still Aug 25 14:30:16 :\ Aug 25 14:30:19 let me just install python-pycairo* Aug 25 14:30:25 maybe I need the -dev or something Aug 25 14:30:42 Daenyth, what is this all about anyway? Aug 25 14:30:49 Dave: I can't start mofi Aug 25 14:31:05 Daenyth: i have the same problem with pyPenNotes Aug 25 14:31:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes Aug 25 14:31:15 white_gecko: I'll let you know if I get it up Aug 25 14:31:15 oh, right :p Aug 25 14:31:23 oh yeah, xournal Aug 25 14:31:28 Has that been merged yet? Aug 25 14:31:35 cool Aug 25 14:31:47 Dave ! Aug 25 14:31:51 \o/ Aug 25 14:31:57 Welcome... back :P Aug 25 14:32:02 ty =) Aug 25 14:32:12 join #openmoko-offtopic :P Aug 25 14:32:23 I discussed the phone on my show this weekend....not so good reviews for the poor phone Aug 25 14:32:34 aww Aug 25 14:32:36 your show? Aug 25 14:32:39 That's depressing. Aug 25 14:32:44 Zorkman, yeah, see, he's cooler than you! Aug 25 14:32:44 :P Aug 25 14:32:54 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_and_Open_Source_Technology_Podcast_Episode_8 Aug 25 14:33:16 Episode Eight!? Aug 25 14:33:26 Yup Aug 25 14:33:30 Alarm is crashing my dam phone Aug 25 14:33:57 uh oh Aug 25 14:34:05 That can't be good for publicity :p Aug 25 14:34:21 I am gonna buy the dam android Aug 25 14:34:21 lol Aug 25 14:34:24 I should make a reality show. Aug 25 14:34:29 hahaah Aug 25 14:34:30 Openmoko Exposure Aug 25 14:34:31 Live with Moko Aug 25 14:34:35 I've already tried it 3 times Aug 25 14:34:35 *Life with moko Aug 25 14:34:47 Give some random noob a freerunner and a set of instructions (I wrote) Aug 25 14:34:51 In SF, they are starting a openmoko group Aug 25 14:35:00 Then watch them squirm and struggle, and then go insane. Aug 25 14:35:01 :D Aug 25 14:35:10 i joined Aug 25 14:35:10 From flashing, to uboot, to opkg, to upgrades Aug 25 14:35:11 lol Aug 25 14:35:12 :D Aug 25 14:35:24 The instinct looks good Aug 25 14:35:30 Torikun, yeah, there's a meeting the second or something Aug 25 14:35:34 I hope to attend :) Aug 25 14:35:38 your in SF? Aug 25 14:35:41 since I'll be in the city on the first Aug 25 14:35:48 I will be, in a week :P Aug 25 14:35:54 what you doing in my town Aug 25 14:35:54 lol Aug 25 14:35:58 YOUR town!? Aug 25 14:36:06 I just moved here lol not my town Aug 25 14:36:06 actually, SF isn't my town, PA is >:) Aug 25 14:36:09 :p Aug 25 14:36:10 noob :D Aug 25 14:36:34 Lets do lunch dave Aug 25 14:36:58 awww, nobody ever comes to belgium :( :-D Aug 25 14:37:00 I work between the homless man and the homeless man with a funny sign Aug 25 14:37:10 hehe Aug 25 14:37:20 :D Aug 25 14:37:22 Zorkman: what do you mean, we were all there for FOSDEM Aug 25 14:37:24 wow, SO specific Aug 25 14:37:31 hah Aug 25 14:38:00 Zorkman: I ate some imported Belgium Chocolate yesterday Aug 25 14:38:08 delicious Aug 25 14:38:14 :) Aug 25 14:38:23 * XorA prefers the beer Aug 25 14:38:38 :) Aug 25 14:38:47 * Zorkman is on the phone Aug 25 14:38:56 the beer is indeed better Aug 25 14:38:59 :) Aug 25 14:39:03 better than waffles? Aug 25 14:39:05 :p Aug 25 14:39:29 Belgium Chocolate covered Belguim Waffles Aug 25 14:39:41 :D~~ Aug 25 14:40:11 what does moko stand for? Aug 25 14:40:27 mobile what? Aug 25 14:40:54 Daenyth: this is my error output: http://paste.debian.net/15556/ Aug 25 14:40:56 mokomofos Aug 25 14:41:16 white_gecko: same Aug 25 14:41:21 Torikun do we have an acronym for openmoko meeting groups yet? Aug 25 14:41:22 ok Aug 25 14:41:23 like LUG :p Aug 25 14:41:27 I installed pycairo and -dev Aug 25 14:41:29 let's see.. Aug 25 14:41:34 Dunno Aug 25 14:41:36 MUG? Aug 25 14:41:40 hah Aug 25 14:41:42 fails still Aug 25 14:41:42 Dave: Are you moving to SF ? Aug 25 14:41:46 No Aug 25 14:41:47 or visiting Aug 25 14:41:49 eh? Aug 25 14:41:50 SF is decent. Aug 25 14:41:57 SF = scary Aug 25 14:41:57 It's nice Aug 25 14:42:00 haha Aug 25 14:42:00 white_gecko: the fact that pycairo is installed but not working makes me think that it's python's version of @INC Aug 25 14:42:04 Scary if you're straight ;p Aug 25 14:42:05 Torikun: How is SF Scary? Aug 25 14:42:08 * Dave giggles Aug 25 14:42:14 do you live here in SF Sargun_screen Aug 25 14:42:20 Pesky Sarguns Aug 25 14:42:22 Torikun: nearby. Aug 25 14:42:37 I live in Walnut Creek and work in S Aug 25 14:42:39 We should all have a BBQ at my place sometime. Aug 25 14:42:39 F Aug 25 14:42:40 East Bay Aug 25 14:42:43 Daenyth: aha what is @INC? i did never write in python Aug 25 14:42:53 Dave: Ok, you pay for Beer, BBQ, etc... Aug 25 14:43:01 white_gecko: it's like $PATH for modules (in perl). python must have something similar Aug 25 14:43:03 uhhh, no Aug 25 14:43:04 I don't know any good bars Aug 25 14:43:11 You guys have to contribute SOMETHING Aug 25 14:43:14 where in the easyt bay Sargun_screen? Aug 25 14:43:18 other than your wonderful presence and freerunners Aug 25 14:43:18 :P Aug 25 14:43:22 Dave: What about our livers? Aug 25 14:43:26 haha Aug 25 14:43:30 Are they belgian? Aug 25 14:43:34 Torikun: Uhm, tri-valley. Aug 25 14:43:35 We can go to starbucs Dave Sargun_screen Aug 25 14:43:43 fuck that Aug 25 14:43:52 I work in SJC. Aug 25 14:43:59 SJC? Aug 25 14:44:00 oh snaps : Aug 25 14:44:02 what is that Aug 25 14:44:02 :p Aug 25 14:44:07 The airport... Aug 25 14:44:07 San Jose City? Aug 25 14:44:07 <--new to CA Aug 25 14:44:11 ;p Aug 25 14:44:19 Downstown San Jose Aug 25 14:44:23 Torikun, where did you move from, I forget Aug 25 14:44:29 Longmont, CO Aug 25 14:44:30 Sargun, do you like planes? Aug 25 14:44:36 Torikun MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 25 14:44:40 San Jose City ? Aug 25 14:44:42 Daenyth: Aug 25 14:44:44 # opkg list_installed |�grep -e cairo Aug 25 14:44:44 Dave: they are alright, why? Aug 25 14:44:45 -sh: �grep: not found Aug 25 14:44:48 not just SJ ? Aug 25 14:44:56 Sargun, we have a RC group in SJ Aug 25 14:45:05 white_gecko: you have some unicode in there ;P Aug 25 14:45:08 meets occasionally, I like going down there to watch some friends fly :) Aug 25 14:45:23 and occasionally watch something explode :p Aug 25 14:45:25 Deanyth i thougt i use only unicode Aug 25 14:45:32 speaking of explosions... Aug 25 14:45:36 * Dave rescues his freerunner Aug 25 14:45:40 sorry, I misspoke Aug 25 14:45:42 Dave the meeting for openmoko is tommorow night right? Aug 25 14:45:43 .grep isn't a command Aug 25 14:45:48 Tomorrow? Aug 25 14:45:50 I have no clue Aug 25 14:46:15 Dave: RC? Remote control? Aug 25 14:46:32 Daenyth: http://paste.debian.net/15557/ Aug 25 14:46:33 Tuesday, Sep 2, 6pm Aug 25 14:46:34 >> PariSoma.com Aug 25 14:46:34 >> 1436 Howard St. @ 10th St Aug 25 14:46:34 >> (SF SOMA district, near Civic Center BART) Aug 25 14:46:38 SOMA! Aug 25 14:46:56 Sargun, yes Aug 25 14:47:03 Yeah I thought it was the second Aug 25 14:47:04 Sargun_screen: Is civic center safe area? Aug 25 14:47:13 haha, yes Aug 25 14:47:23 Torikun, why don't you just go outside and find out for yourself :P Aug 25 14:47:25 ;) Aug 25 14:47:26 lol Aug 25 14:47:30 sissy Aug 25 14:47:31 today is aug 25 Aug 25 14:47:32 most of this city has high crime Dave Aug 25 14:47:33 lol Aug 25 14:47:36 LINT Aug 25 14:47:36 I want to live Aug 25 14:47:36 lol Aug 25 14:47:37 it's a week from tomorrow Aug 25 14:47:41 Torikun: Downtown oakland is the safest area. Aug 25 14:47:45 lol Aug 25 14:47:45 and civic centre is reasonably safe Aug 25 14:47:46 Torikun, then don't go down to EPA Aug 25 14:47:46 :P Aug 25 14:47:54 * Dave smirks at ieatlint Aug 25 14:48:00 Torikun, sargun is right, especially in the southern parts on international avenue Aug 25 14:48:03 You should just hang out there, roll down your windows, wear some bling, etc... Aug 25 14:48:03 hey dave :) Aug 25 14:48:11 by a reputation for being one of the more popular parts of the city for the homeless and the drug addicted Aug 25 14:48:21 wear red Aug 25 14:48:27 lol Aug 25 14:48:31 A red scarf. Aug 25 14:48:32 don't get got, yo! Aug 25 14:48:41 Cover your face. Aug 25 14:48:48 yeah, civic center is pretty damned safe Aug 25 14:48:49 ha ah a Aug 25 14:48:56 put your .45 on the dash. Aug 25 14:48:58 unless you're crippin' it up? Aug 25 14:48:59 the federal building is there, and city hall is half a block away Aug 25 14:49:00 WIki says different Aug 25 14:49:15 Torikun: Oh, Wiki is wrong. Aug 25 14:49:17 and Ieatlint is pretty close too :P Aug 25 14:49:26 i live in sf, but on the other side of the city Aug 25 14:49:34 >:) Aug 25 14:49:38 <--accross the bay for safety Aug 25 14:49:39 lol Aug 25 14:49:41 Watch out, I might show up. Aug 25 14:49:41 freesmartphone.org: 03texitoi 07zhone * r4a13c7491709 10/src/zhone: set self.willSuspend to False at the creation of the class Aug 25 14:49:41 freesmartphone.org: 03info 07zhone * rc78809baf07f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Inserted a new menu on the bottom left icon. There you can find the exit button, where you can shutdown the system. Aug 25 14:49:42 haha Aug 25 14:49:43 freesmartphone.org: 03info 07zhone * r54ffd730136a 10/src/zhone: Add a link for taking a screenshot and uploading it to scap. You have 5 seconds to go to the page you want a screenshot of. Aug 25 14:49:43 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r9b62f2867303 10/src/zhone: (log message trimmed) Aug 25 14:49:45 freesmartphone.org: the python edje bindings already encode to utf-8 Aug 25 14:49:47 freesmartphone.org: The old code breaks on systems where the python default encoding is not utf-8 Aug 25 14:49:49 freesmartphone.org: (check the default encoding with sys.getdefaultencoding()). Debian and Gentoo Aug 25 14:49:51 freesmartphone.org: have acsii as the default codec. So we need do explicitly encode and decode, Aug 25 14:49:53 freesmartphone.org: but at the right place (which is in the python bindings for edje in this case). Aug 25 14:49:55 freesmartphone.org: In OE we have a patch for python-edje which handles this, i'm trying to get Aug 25 14:49:58 Torikun, you actually in oakland? hehe Aug 25 14:50:08 walnut crek ieatlint, hell no oakland Aug 25 14:50:08 lol Aug 25 14:50:14 LAWL Aug 25 14:50:14 ah, hehe, ok Aug 25 14:50:15 Torikun: What do you think? Aug 25 14:50:25 Sargun_screen: about? Aug 25 14:50:42 I wonder if we can get an openmoko group together in NYC.. Aug 25 14:51:02 the places of sf to avoid are in the southeastern part of the city Aug 25 14:51:06 bayview, for instance Aug 25 14:51:12 HP Aug 25 14:51:12 mission is sketchy at night Aug 25 14:51:14 SOMA Aug 25 14:51:14 lint, but they're the FUN parts! Aug 25 14:51:17 Was someone looking for me? My irssi session was flagged, but I don't see my nick in the last 10 pages or so :-) Aug 25 14:51:17 HP SOMA Aug 25 14:51:20 tenderloin you'll get mugged, but not killed Aug 25 14:51:23 (at night) Aug 25 14:51:28 Most of SF is bad lol Aug 25 14:51:35 Torikun, hardly Aug 25 14:51:38 wurp2, we were just tracking you via tangogps and laughing Aug 25 14:51:45 you had several frequent trips to africa ;) Aug 25 14:51:45 i live in probably one of the safest neighbourhoods in the country Aug 25 14:51:54 pacifica? Aug 25 14:51:58 ieatlint, it's not irvine ;) Aug 25 14:52:00 if you're north of geary, you're in a safe place Aug 25 14:52:11 sunset is safe, richmond safe Aug 25 14:52:18 Richmond is bad 2 I hear Aug 25 14:52:20 (note city of richmond != the richmond) Aug 25 14:52:26 :P Aug 25 14:52:42 So, come to EPA and you won't get mugged, but you will get shot (and then possibly mugged) :P Aug 25 14:52:48 * Dave laughs Aug 25 14:52:51 lol Aug 25 14:52:51 castro is safe... large parts of soma sketchy a night... hehe Aug 25 14:52:57 Castro \o/ Aug 25 14:53:05 castro is nice Aug 25 14:53:16 :) Aug 25 14:53:28 it is, but it gets fucking hot during the summer Aug 25 14:53:34 yeah so Aug 25 14:53:40 IT IS FUCKING HOT, IT'S SUMMER Aug 25 14:53:40 anyone work near the Giants stadium? Aug 25 14:53:42 anyway, most of san francisco is safe :P Aug 25 14:53:54 Lint, come down south Aug 25 14:53:57 there are some bad places, of course, but they're easy to avoid Aug 25 14:53:59 we'll play on a different territory >:) Aug 25 14:54:09 Dave, i'm familiar enough with epa ;) Aug 25 14:54:14 heh heh Aug 25 14:54:24 I'm trying to convince torikun to come down there :P Aug 25 14:54:32 lol Aug 25 14:54:37 i love how you cross the freeway and go from ghetto to middle class Aug 25 14:54:42 you're going down the 101 and like OH SHIT, I TOOK THE WRONG EXIT Aug 25 14:54:43 lmfao Aug 25 14:54:46 (I hope I don't die) Aug 25 14:54:48 i did that in oaklnd Aug 25 14:54:48 Daenyth: doesn't everybody with openmoko have this problem? Aug 25 14:54:49 :D Aug 25 14:54:53 and when i say ghetto, i mean really ghetto Aug 25 14:55:03 like hearing gunshots every night Aug 25 14:55:09 kristian-m: ping Aug 25 14:55:09 huhu Aug 25 14:55:12 dude Aug 25 14:55:19 and seeing a bunch of people driving around in old cadillacs that they've tried to mod Aug 25 14:55:24 morning Aug 25 14:55:28 you can't live in EPA and NOT own several guns, I think it's a rule... Aug 25 14:55:32 Going from montgomery to Japan town is a trip Aug 25 14:55:33 lol Aug 25 14:55:38 haha or bicycles, lint :P Aug 25 14:55:47 Hello Rod :) Aug 25 14:56:11 japan town is on the edge of the western addition... that's a sketchy place at night Aug 25 14:56:14 fine during the day Aug 25 14:56:24 falls into the mugged but not killed category Aug 25 14:56:26 this kid roles up next to my ride on his bike with the tall handlebars, his foh-five flashin from his belt... Aug 25 14:56:43 I just smirk at him, and drive off, after an awkward two minute red Aug 25 14:56:48 :p Aug 25 14:57:16 anyway, the trick to not getting killed is to not piss them off :P Aug 25 14:57:18 white_gecko: apparantly not? I don't know. I have a buildhost 2007.2 daily from yesterday, kernel and rootfs Aug 25 14:57:45 are the mailing lists down? Aug 25 14:57:47 ieatlint, well, I'm sure driving a cheaper car might help :P Aug 25 14:57:58 It's a bit uncomfortable when you're driving a 45k ride :p Aug 25 14:58:04 lol Aug 25 14:58:04 Dave, it helps you from getting car jacked :P Aug 25 14:58:06 and you've got the top down Aug 25 14:58:12 yeh Aug 25 14:58:17 but hey, I'm down with 'em, right? Aug 25 14:58:18 but they're not going to want to shoot you and get blood all over a car they want to steal Aug 25 14:58:18 hm i've just made a opkg upgrade, but have theproblem since i have the phone ;-) (last thursday) Aug 25 14:58:22 (down on the ground?) :x Aug 25 14:58:29 hahaha, true, true Aug 25 14:58:32 they'd make me get out, first Aug 25 14:58:33 :P Aug 25 14:58:40 Dave Sargun_screen ieatlint lets all have lunch September 2nd Aug 25 14:58:41 hey, at least I had the doors locked, right? :P Aug 25 14:58:44 before the metting Aug 25 14:58:52 Let's get met! Aug 25 14:59:03 hah, ok Aug 25 14:59:08 I *may* be able to make it. Aug 25 14:59:11 So there really is no GSM available at all in Tokyo. Treo 650 can't get a signal. Aug 25 14:59:16 any good location? I go to lunch at 11 Aug 25 14:59:19 but you'd best feel regret that i've been pulled from programming for this conversation :P Aug 25 14:59:22 (therefore no Neo can get a signal either) Aug 25 14:59:23 rwhitby-tokyo, of course Aug 25 14:59:31 CDMA 4 realz, yo Aug 25 14:59:34 rwhitby-tokyo: You live in Tokyo? I used to live there, miss it =( Aug 25 14:59:42 DoCoMo rules here Aug 25 14:59:46 ieatlint, oh noes! Aug 25 14:59:48 Torikun: just visiting Aug 25 14:59:56 rwhitby-tokyo: Softbank = fail Aug 25 15:00:00 heh Aug 25 15:00:06 Docomo really is the best Aug 25 15:00:13 or AU Aug 25 15:00:16 :) Aug 25 15:00:17 Docomo was more expensive Aug 25 15:00:18 hah AU Aug 25 15:00:25 But win Aug 25 15:00:34 silly torikun Aug 25 15:00:38 want to have dinner in tokyo? Aug 25 15:00:47 I'll be there in october :P Aug 25 15:00:47 Torikun: is AU a pun on "Hey You" ? Aug 25 15:00:49 well, i retreat to my code Aug 25 15:00:52 I am not going ot japan untill next summer Aug 25 15:00:53 lol Aug 25 15:00:54 any has any screenshot of Zhone ? Aug 25 15:00:56 boo Aug 25 15:01:01 zoup, there's some on scap Aug 25 15:01:08 ieatlint: excellent. Aug 25 15:01:20 * Dave cracks his whip, Indiana Jones style Aug 25 15:01:21 Dave: I'm here for 3 nights only Aug 25 15:01:26 Rod :( Aug 25 15:01:29 Dave: Security Certification and Authorization Package ? :) Aug 25 15:01:34 Oh well, hope you enjoy yourself, nonetheless. Aug 25 15:01:46 scap.linuxtogo.org ? Aug 25 15:01:50 :p Aug 25 15:01:55 s'ok, I've been here a number of times before for longer periods. Aug 25 15:01:58 weird, evolution just started feeling like marking all incoming mail as read :P Aug 25 15:02:13 I actually no longer prefer the city, unless I'm visitng friends/family. Aug 25 15:02:26 I guess I miss the countryside more. Aug 25 15:02:37 :( Aug 25 15:02:39 I wish I lived in the city Aug 25 15:02:46 1:20 min toget to work sucks Aug 25 15:03:05 walk, BART, walk Aug 25 15:04:07 hehee Aug 25 15:04:10 is there anyway to turn word guessing of om2008 off ? Aug 25 15:04:13 Torikun, oh, in SF Aug 25 15:04:19 yup Aug 25 15:04:26 one hour twenty minutes? Aug 25 15:04:28 shit, that sucks :( Aug 25 15:04:29 yup Aug 25 15:04:34 I do it for my daughter Aug 25 15:04:36 =) Aug 25 15:04:40 I was so glad after they made a Bullet that went from PA to SF Aug 25 15:04:43 aww :) Aug 25 15:04:53 Good for you! Aug 25 15:04:59 and for Openmoko, right? ;) Aug 25 15:05:03 huh? Aug 25 15:05:04 lol Aug 25 15:05:04 * Dave giggles Aug 25 15:05:12 For the Freerunner! Aug 25 15:05:45 Man, I totally had a vision of attending an openmoko convention and killing/absorbing all the freerunners, for THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 25 15:05:54 With each addition I gain more power? Aug 25 15:06:02 Man, I wonder what that would do to my clock speed... Aug 25 15:06:30 * Dave hides from himself. Aug 25 15:07:46 what is the URI for openstreetmap.org for map downloads? Aug 25 15:08:07 huwahahahaha I can totally see it now... Aug 25 15:08:08 swc|666: Did you search the wiki? Aug 25 15:08:11 swc, it's on the tango site Aug 25 15:08:12 swc|666: see the wiki Aug 25 15:08:13 yep Aug 25 15:08:13 anyone in SF want to be a guest star on my podcast? Aug 25 15:08:18 talk about openmoko Aug 25 15:08:20 or linux Aug 25 15:08:21 torikun, you're SO lame... Aug 25 15:08:35 swc|666: Did you use google "site:wiki.openmoko.org term1 term2 ..." Aug 25 15:08:36 PLANE CRASH CAUSED BY NEO FREERUNNER Aug 25 15:08:38 ? Aug 25 15:08:40 i tried - http://a.tah.openstreetmap.org/Tiles/tile.php/%d/%d/%d.png and get a 404 error(???) Aug 25 15:08:45 what is better mofi , lint-wifi or the stock wifi config aplication (that I haven't managed to configure yet...) Aug 25 15:08:45 'cause the wiki search page is teh suck Aug 25 15:08:50 Take that, TI! Aug 25 15:08:56 wurp, yeah it is Aug 25 15:09:05 swc|666: replace %ds with lat/long min & max Aug 25 15:09:05 heh Aug 25 15:09:12 i did.. nada Aug 25 15:09:17 it works fine Aug 25 15:09:19 what microSD card should i buy? i want 8GB Aug 25 15:09:29 a.tah? Aug 25 15:09:44 Dave: so you guys were tracking my tango loc and mocking my gps-turned-offedness? Aug 25 15:09:55 ./install debian exits with the error message E: Internal error: install Aug 25 15:10:01 how can I resolve this Aug 25 15:10:05 Dave: thats the URI on tango's site Aug 25 15:10:52 * Torikun wants to put archlinux on the openmoko Aug 25 15:11:12 swc, tango works with osm by default (that is, you don't have to add the respository manually) Aug 25 15:11:29 wurp2, something like that, yeah - Well, more accurately, Zorkman was Aug 25 15:11:35 swc|666: the url is http://tile.openstreetmaps.org/%d/%d/%d.png Aug 25 15:11:35 why? "DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK" Aug 25 15:11:38 qknight: there's a list on the wiki with known working manufacturers Aug 25 15:11:46 wurp2, we basically just used it as a position to argue that 0,0 should be an invalid point Aug 25 15:11:53 Zorkman: thanks! Aug 25 15:12:13 Who here lives in the desert? or a warzone in the african congo? Aug 25 15:12:14 <|Marco|> is qte-mt-static EVER going to get fixed for bitbake ? Aug 25 15:12:17 heh heh Aug 25 15:13:07 fish_: cause it builds from org.openmoko.dev instead of org.openmoko.asu.* Aug 25 15:13:07 <|Marco|> it's the ONLY package that's killing every atempt at compiling anythong whatsoever Aug 25 15:13:15 <|Marco|> GAH Aug 25 15:13:43 rwhitby-tokyo: so "http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2" is FSO? Aug 25 15:13:46 how can I check if my gps has locked a position ? Aug 25 15:13:53 fish_: correct. Aug 25 15:14:03 wtf? Aug 25 15:14:09 I am thinking about putting debian Aug 25 15:14:10 that's FSO? Aug 25 15:14:16 I here goo things Aug 25 15:14:24 fish_: sorry, not FSO, not ASU either Aug 25 15:14:28 I hear dead people. Aug 25 15:14:29 rwhitby-tokyo: uhm.. i dont get that.. so is FSO the _official_ future of openmoko?! Aug 25 15:14:35 rwhitby, that's what I thought! Aug 25 15:14:37 rwhitby-tokyo: ah okay Aug 25 15:14:41 um.. that looke like 2007.2 last time i flashed it Aug 25 15:14:43 fish_: I misread your question Aug 25 15:14:44 it is Aug 25 15:14:45 I thought ASU is the future Aug 25 15:14:48 and that was about an hour ago ) Aug 25 15:14:49 :) Aug 25 15:14:51 fuck ASU Aug 25 15:14:56 buildhost has *no* useful images or updates for FSO or ASU Aug 25 15:15:03 how much space is needed for debian Aug 25 15:15:06 someone should combine our 7 1/2 images and create a monster mash image! Aug 25 15:15:12 torikun a million megabytes! Aug 25 15:15:16 lol Aug 25 15:15:18 Dave: why the hostility towards a piece of software? Aug 25 15:15:29 Come on, my name is Dave, right? ;) Aug 25 15:15:31 dave is having fun rwhitby-tokyo Aug 25 15:15:43 I hate compute programs that try to ruin my life :P Aug 25 15:15:47 rwhitby-tokyo: so what images are those?! Aug 25 15:15:49 Particularly those starting with hal. Aug 25 15:15:56 lol Aug 25 15:15:58 fish_: builds of org.openmoko.dev Aug 25 15:16:01 Torikun: someone was able to put it on internal flash Aug 25 15:16:06 Anyone happen to have dimensions of the Aug 25 15:16:07 I want kde 4.1 !!! Aug 25 15:16:09 FR battery around? Aug 25 15:16:14 dave probably has a painful and universe altering experience with dselect from days way back Aug 25 15:16:18 i know.. i do.. Aug 25 15:16:18 Torikun: it also fits on the 512 SD Aug 25 15:16:22 sweet Aug 25 15:16:23 I'd guess 9mm*37mm*50mm? Aug 25 15:16:24 evil, want me to take measurements right now? Aug 25 15:16:32 rwhitby-tokyo: well, i thought org.openmoko.dev would be the FSO image Aug 25 15:16:33 ~curse google Aug 25 15:16:34 Zorkman: is it a desktop? Aug 25 15:16:34 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, google ! Aug 25 15:16:42 eww Aug 25 15:16:45 why is google maps mobile latest version a massive downgrade Aug 25 15:16:45 Xora :p Aug 25 15:16:50 haha Aug 25 15:17:10 * rwhitby-tokyo wonders when google will have tokyo maps with english translations ... Aug 25 15:17:20 aww Aug 25 15:17:23 poor rod Aug 25 15:17:35 well now Im pissed off, there seems to be no way to use GPS on latest GMM :-( Aug 25 15:17:40 luckily OSM has some major roads, but far less than I expected as far as OSM coverage goes Aug 25 15:17:46 Boohoo Aug 25 15:17:57 Torikun: the why don't you go and grab kde4.1 Aug 25 15:18:00 Go forth minions of opensource. Aug 25 15:18:09 bumble: scary Aug 25 15:18:25 KDE5 - So cool it takes 5 days to build! Aug 25 15:19:09 How can I use wifi on my openmoko? I can connect fine but not browse the web. Internet only works when I ssh in Aug 25 15:19:41 yeah kde5 and gnome 2.54 Aug 25 15:19:45 Build a browser? Aug 25 15:19:49 bumble :) Aug 25 15:19:58 toriken hope you have enough resources? Aug 25 15:20:02 or install lynx Aug 25 15:20:03 :D Aug 25 15:20:09 lol Aug 25 15:20:21 <--installs debian now Aug 25 15:20:27 gimp was crappy on the freerunner Aug 25 15:20:28 so small Aug 25 15:20:53 uhh Aug 25 15:20:57 GIMP is crappy on anything. Aug 25 15:21:03 It's a gimp, for crying out loud. Aug 25 15:23:31 How do I lock my screen? Aug 25 15:24:00 Daenyth: In soviet russia, screen locks you Aug 25 15:24:12 heh Aug 25 15:24:13 Torikun: don't I know you? :o Aug 25 15:24:16 what do you call 2008.8? a release? --> all bugs are getting fixed. or is it more a snapshot: we don't get fixes for 2008.8, every issue will be fixed in the next snapshot or in trunk? Aug 25 15:24:25 Daenyth: do youi? Aug 25 15:24:26 lol Aug 25 15:24:31 name looks familiar Aug 25 15:24:39 linuxaction show archlinux my podcast Aug 25 15:24:41 he performs in pr0n Aug 25 15:24:42 linuxoutlaws Aug 25 15:24:49 archlinux forums :p Aug 25 15:25:02 fish_ are there bugs? Aug 25 15:25:02 and irc Aug 25 15:25:03 ok Aug 25 15:25:07 time to test my sim :D Aug 25 15:25:34 Arch FTW Daenyth Aug 25 15:26:03 malik1972: nooo of course not ;) just in case there are bugs ;) Aug 25 15:26:25 let's see how this goes :D Aug 25 15:26:34 I want arch for my freerunner Aug 25 15:26:43 yeah man I was thinking that Aug 25 15:26:50 but we'd have to port pacman & co to arm Aug 25 15:26:51 how hard would it be Aug 25 15:26:55 yeagh Aug 25 15:27:04 fish_ there is an official updated image http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Aug 25 15:27:07 btw:is it normal that the red led (auw key) only illuminates half of the auw key? Aug 25 15:27:08 also it needs bash, there must be a reason it's not on the fic images Aug 25 15:27:17 I am installing debian now Aug 25 15:27:20 Zorkman: I think mine does also Aug 25 15:27:23 Torikun: bastard Aug 25 15:27:24 ew Aug 25 15:27:36 I love the new boot screen Aug 25 15:27:38 with the boots :p Aug 25 15:27:49 fish_: but it doesnt change anything in general Aug 25 15:27:58 how do I set the hostname? Aug 25 15:28:08 to persist across reboots Aug 25 15:28:11 malik1972: :/ Aug 25 15:28:23 om has no rc.conf :< Aug 25 15:28:23 Daenyth: grep -r `hostname` /etc Aug 25 15:28:27 malik1972: well, i just ask because i want to know the release strategy Aug 25 15:28:29 lindi-: smart Aug 25 15:28:45 malik1972: everything looks pretty chaostic to me Aug 25 15:29:22 GAH wtf Aug 25 15:29:30 my old phone won't let me do anything without the sim card Aug 25 15:29:32 fish_: i guess everything on downloads.openmoko.org is official Aug 25 15:29:35 not even the phone-stored address book Aug 25 15:29:35 fish_: Aug 25 15:29:37 what bs is that Aug 25 15:29:46 malik1972: we have all those images, there are some 'releases' for the images but everything older than 3 days is obsolete and so one.. Aug 25 15:30:52 where can I get unicode fonts for SMS? Aug 25 15:31:04 some I recieved have the little boxes Aug 25 15:31:09 fish_: yeah thats the situation Aug 25 15:31:10 malik1972: i have my freerunner since the first day of selling in .de (acctualy i had it the friday before ;)) and i didn't do anything with it beside flashing it Aug 25 15:31:34 fish_ dont do that Aug 25 15:31:56 how do I import contacts from my SIM card? Aug 25 15:31:58 fish_ whats your aim? Aug 25 15:32:33 anyone successfully download a mms message on T-Mobile using the QTopia image? Aug 25 15:33:28 malik1972: yes, flashing it. the first thing i do every time i take out the dusty corner of my desk is flashing it with another type of image. and after playing around for about half an hour i'm so demotivated that i put it away again Aug 25 15:33:30 does it have GPRS support, otherwise that just wont work Aug 25 15:33:33 anyone? I can't find it on the wiki Aug 25 15:34:24 fish_: what do you expect of your mobile phone? Aug 25 15:34:51 malik1972: if i choose ASU/2008.8 as my platform i allways think 'well, if you put in some work here no it probably will be obsolete in the next release' because i think FSO is the future.. Aug 25 15:35:13 fish_: are you from germany? Aug 25 15:35:19 malik1972: yep Aug 25 15:35:42 so.. Aug 25 15:35:50 is it not possible to import contacts from SIM? Aug 25 15:37:02 Daenyth: I've read that it 'just works', so at least in one image it's possible. Aug 25 15:37:06 hrm Aug 25 15:37:17 ... which image, and how to get it to do it, can't help ya. :/ Aug 25 15:37:17 it doesn't work with the buildhost daily from yesterday Aug 25 15:37:29 I can't access my old phone without the sim card in it :/ Aug 25 15:37:37 even the phone-stored address book Aug 25 15:37:38 so sucky Aug 25 15:37:51 Daenyth: yet another reason to use an OpenSource phone.... Aug 25 15:37:56 yup Aug 25 15:38:16 when I'm scp'ing something to my phone over wifi the speed is onlu 45kb/s... isn't this waaay too slow? Aug 25 15:38:31 seems so Aug 25 15:38:48 I get at least 400, which is about the limit of my nic Aug 25 15:38:56 now 80kb/Sec... Aug 25 15:39:41 does anyboy know what can cause this? Aug 25 15:39:48 network congestion? Aug 25 15:39:51 QOS? Aug 25 15:39:58 no, it's the only wireless device connected Aug 25 15:40:10 and on my host I can download up to 1.9MB/sec Aug 25 15:40:52 Daenyth: don't use the buildhost images, they are screwed Aug 25 15:42:10 oh Aug 25 15:42:11 blah Aug 25 15:42:15 what should I use then Aug 25 15:44:15 the download page doesn't list any other 2007 images except buildhost Aug 25 15:44:42 bumbl: still screwed? I built one today seems to be working cool Aug 25 15:44:51 yeah so far most things are working Aug 25 15:45:13 XorA: really, no the last one I tried was from last week Aug 25 15:45:25 bumbl: what wasn't working? Aug 25 15:45:27 I can call out Aug 25 15:47:51 Daenyth: nearly everything Aug 25 15:47:59 I am using fso unstable at the moment Aug 25 15:49:07 meh Aug 25 15:49:17 I just want a working 2007.2 image Aug 25 15:49:42 Hi. What is Sebastian Ohl’s nickname? Aug 25 15:49:55 (if he is on IRC anywasy) Aug 25 15:51:40 what about the buildhost "stable" release Aug 25 15:51:51 from april it seems Aug 25 15:55:06 wow Aug 25 15:55:13 im on the phone with a Fr right now Aug 25 15:55:16 and its smoking hot. Aug 25 15:58:11 * theocrite got his own neo freerunner with a personalized note saying "thanks for your efforts for to free a phone" \o/ Aug 25 15:58:16 * theocrite feels really special now Aug 25 15:58:52 * Weiss 's FR is in the post.. Aug 25 15:59:44 theocrite, "for to free a phone" ?? Aug 25 16:00:16 which image is the most usable if buildhost images are all broken? Aug 25 16:00:22 that leaves... debian, fso, qtopia? Aug 25 16:00:37 phrozen77: s/for to/to/ Aug 25 16:00:57 heh, first time Ive dropped my FR :-) Aug 25 16:01:24 hmh. new asu stable image out today.. but still not able to register with gsm network Aug 25 16:03:34 Bill_: there's an updated .so-file on the mailing list that fixed that for me Aug 25 16:03:57 and there is also zeckes comment not to install it :) Aug 25 16:04:05 Daenyth: did you figure out the python thing? Aug 25 16:06:33 hmmh.. it just took a looooong time Aug 25 16:06:59 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ seems to be working 2008.8 Aug 25 16:07:02 Daenyth: images are not nice Aug 25 16:15:59 is it possible to upgrade to 2008.8 with opkg upgrade, or do i have to flash? Aug 25 16:17:12 the testing and devel repos are not done yet so no Aug 25 16:17:54 ok Aug 25 16:18:08 and how stable is the image, wich i can flash? Aug 25 16:18:13 on my phone Aug 25 16:18:43 white_gecko: which image? Aug 25 16:18:56 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Aug 25 16:19:00 the asu thing Aug 25 16:20:26 moko moko moko Aug 25 16:20:50 DaveOffice: you sound like a spanish child trying to anger adults :-) Aug 25 16:20:51 white_gecko: haven't managed to build it yet :/ Aug 25 16:22:46 Excuse me? Aug 25 16:23:15 * DaveOffice beats nomeata with a bunch of monads Aug 25 16:23:16 Dave, what er you ding in the office? Aug 25 16:23:20 they need you in the LAB Aug 25 16:23:24 I know, I know :( Aug 25 16:23:35 bitches Aug 25 16:23:35 I needed to get some web work done, and I had a meeting. Aug 25 16:23:39 CHOXES Aug 25 16:23:44 work to do, bbl Aug 25 16:24:26 bbq Aug 25 16:25:20 lindi-: ok Aug 25 16:28:49 with the iPhone selling at U$S200, I think that the freerunner at U$S400 can't compete Aug 25 16:29:23 they aren't in competition Aug 25 16:29:28 and likely never will be Aug 25 16:29:29 nicfer: how can non-freedom compete with freedom? Aug 25 16:29:30 thankfully this is irrelevant :) Aug 25 16:29:48 yes, irrelevant. Also, $200 my ass. But anyway. Aug 25 16:29:49 I mean, people will buy an iphone instead of the freerunner Aug 25 16:29:51 nicfer: with 24 month lockin at 35-60¤ a month Aug 25 16:30:21 sure, and that's good. Aug 25 16:30:23 nicfer: I think you do not really understand what the freerunner is about... Aug 25 16:30:25 heh Aug 25 16:30:26 mickeyl: fso-testing at shr.bear.... should things work on that one or is that just a less unstable unstable? Aug 25 16:30:26 hi i want to know if anyone has had a touchscreen which stopped responding. any reason why this happens? Aug 25 16:30:28 yeah, the iphone isn't $200, its $200 and 2yrs Aug 25 16:30:28 $800 Aug 25 16:30:31 with freerunner, you'll also need to pay bills Aug 25 16:30:49 ceda: hmm, i don't know. how is that usually on debian? Aug 25 16:30:54 testing more unstable than unstable? Aug 25 16:31:11 mickel, impossible Aug 25 16:31:12 i forgot how rwhitby-tokyo builds these things Aug 25 16:31:12 nicfer: sure, but with a carrier of your choice (as long its a gsm network) Aug 25 16:31:13 :P Aug 25 16:31:23 mickeyl: stable > testing > unstable Aug 25 16:31:28 and no contract requirements for the phone Aug 25 16:31:30 but right now fso goes towards stabilization again Aug 25 16:31:30 forgot experimental :P Aug 25 16:31:32 nicfer: yeah.. but you can choose what and how much you use Aug 25 16:31:34 as we're close to ms3 Aug 25 16:31:38 testing has 2 weeks of "quiet time" from unstable Aug 25 16:31:43 and how can I get it in Argentina? Aug 25 16:31:45 mickeyl: GO GO GO Aug 25 16:31:46 mickeyl: still on shedule? Aug 25 16:31:55 so so Aug 25 16:31:57 * DaveOffice pays mickeyl in zorkmids Aug 25 16:32:00 :D Aug 25 16:32:00 mickeyl: ok, bluetooth will have support in kernel again then? :) Aug 25 16:32:02 "Failed to open control socket: Address family not supported by protocol Aug 25 16:32:02 " Aug 25 16:32:06 wah wah Aug 25 16:32:08 hmm Aug 25 16:32:11 never seen that Aug 25 16:32:16 but i have yet to use BT on any FR Aug 25 16:32:21 what is missing in kernel? Aug 25 16:32:24 mickeyl: just run pand Aug 25 16:32:26 I don't think the providers will bring it here Aug 25 16:32:37 mickeyl: or strace pand Aug 25 16:32:38 thankfully, providers are also irrelevant Aug 25 16:33:22 (pand) k, will do Aug 25 16:33:36 it worked in MS2 Aug 25 16:33:36 ceda: feel free to open a ticket @ trac.freesmartphone.org Aug 25 16:33:39 oh Aug 25 16:33:40 it wouldn't be even be selled contract-free Aug 25 16:33:45 will do that right away Aug 25 16:33:48 then i'm confused Aug 25 16:33:54 i did hardly touch any kernel config since ms2 Aug 25 16:33:58 but ok, will take a look Aug 25 16:34:10 nicfer: you can buy from a reseller Aug 25 16:34:22 here they call 'freed phone' to phones without contract Aug 25 16:36:02 mickeyl: hmm, am I missing modules then? Aug 25 16:37:27 here if I bought something outside I have to pay taxes for it Aug 25 16:39:06 so, it'll result even expensiver than purchasing an iphone 3g + the 2 year contract Aug 25 16:39:27 nicfer: probably. so what? ;) Aug 25 16:39:58 here everybody will choose the iphone... Aug 25 16:41:11 nicfer, there are already south american FreeRunner users... Aug 25 16:41:32 if they want the phone and can afford it they will get it; if they want an iphone, they will get an iphone, we don't care about that Aug 25 16:41:44 frankly, if the iphone is an alternative for you, then you are not the target audience for the freerunner in the first place Aug 25 16:41:49 nicfer: so let them? linux is cheaper than windows and it's not the software quality that keeps the great public paying all those money each year Aug 25 16:41:51 right, exactly what Zorkman said Aug 25 16:41:58 you don't hear ferari complaining about the fact that people buy more lada's than ferari's Aug 25 16:42:27 :p Aug 25 16:44:41 DaveOffice: when booted from the SD card, where can I find the internal memory? Aug 25 16:44:48 huh? Aug 25 16:44:51 Internal memory? o_O Aug 25 16:44:52 of what? Aug 25 16:45:08 the internal nand flash, methinks Aug 25 16:45:10 the flash of the FR Aug 25 16:45:15 it was /dev/mmc* Aug 25 16:46:05 that doesn't work mjr.. Aug 25 16:46:17 -sh: cd: can't cd to /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 25 16:47:30 If you hypothetically didn't have NOR, how would you edit the root flash partition? Aug 25 16:47:41 anybody: when booted from SD, how can you acces the filestructure that is on the internal flash? Aug 25 16:48:13 OH Aug 25 16:48:27 sargun, it KNOWS Aug 25 16:48:32 (upb) Aug 25 16:48:40 UPB? Aug 25 16:48:41 Zorkman, you're on it, right? Aug 25 16:49:09 I'm booted from the SD Aug 25 16:49:19 * bricode boots up from SD card. Aug 25 16:49:28 Can you boot from SD? Aug 25 16:49:32 err, boot from USB? Aug 25 16:51:07 I'm considering to buy a Freerunner. But now I got stuck with the fact that android is also coming along and there might be a larger userbase there and more apps. Could somebody help me sorting out which one is actually superior? Aug 25 16:51:18 Kurisutian, Are you a developer? Aug 25 16:51:58 Zorkman, umm, you don't cd to /dev/mmcblk0. You mount /dev/mmcblk0p[something]. Aug 25 16:52:03 as jffs2 Aug 25 16:52:04 Not really. Computer scientist but not really into developing.... Aug 25 16:52:15 don't recall the partition number off hand Aug 25 16:52:28 Kurisutian, OM is far superior for hardcore developers Aug 25 16:53:19 Kurisutian, if you want a free linux platform, get a freerunner. If you want a semi-open VM platform that happens to run Linux at the bottom, get some Android phone Aug 25 16:53:28 I kinda prefer to work and modify the things out there. You know taking things onto new levels of ideas. But when it comes into programming I'm kinda lost. Aug 25 16:53:48 So you're saying that android is not really becoming free Aug 25 16:54:00 (also, Android VM should be able to be ported on the FR _if_ the platform is ever freed enough) Aug 25 16:54:14 I use Linux only here so the Linux thing was the reason that ruled out the others and left android and the freerunner Aug 25 16:54:29 well, I'm saying the Android people encourage manufacturers to close up the actual android devices Aug 25 16:54:34 mjr, too many tentacools. Aug 25 16:54:42 mjr, that's assy. Aug 25 16:54:51 and the Android code isn't free for now - may be later, *shrug* Aug 25 16:55:25 coderape Aug 25 16:56:00 sweet Aug 25 16:56:19 as i understood it, for Android you get to develop applications and see the source code for the OS bits (such as the kernel, because it's GPL so they have to), but Google's core phone apps will be closed source Aug 25 16:56:27 my major concern is if freerunner and openmonko will survive on the market. Google has drmendous financial resources. So I would rather stick with something that has a future.... and I wasn't sure about that Aug 25 16:56:40 so you don't get to hack about with the underlying stuff and customise the core applications, and that's important to me.. Aug 25 16:58:02 especially if it comes to PR the freerunner kinda seems to be way below the android. At least from my subjective perspective.... that's what kinda makes me struggle with the decision... Aug 25 16:58:50 as said, if Android ever gets free enough, you can port the VM and leverage Android stuff on FR. If not, well, it's even less interesting Aug 25 16:59:32 Zorkman: /dev/mtdblock6 contains my nand jffs2 filesystem. Aug 25 16:59:44 right Aug 25 16:59:52 bricode, nice Aug 25 17:00:17 So what's the status of the FR right now. I've been reading a lot about the switsch to Qtopia and the development of other possible platforms. Kinda confusing right now where things gonna be at... Aug 25 17:00:47 also things like the missing QWERTY or in my case a needed QWERTZ keyboard layout were mentioned... Aug 25 17:01:06 Kurisutian: the hardware is set, the software isn't Aug 25 17:01:18 OK, I see... Aug 25 17:01:54 Kurisutian: I suggest you subscribe to the devel and community lists and read them for a week Aug 25 17:02:16 it gives you a pretty good idea of what's working and what's being worked on Aug 25 17:03:32 And the hardware is open as I have seen. But are there also plans for improvements in future. Just to keep up with the technology development? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of the freerunner, I'm just concerned if it will survive and grow in future Aug 25 17:04:27 there are plans for a future hardware revision; nothing major, but many small improvements Aug 25 17:04:42 don't ask when Aug 25 17:05:27 Well, I know they're done when they're done. I won't ask that. It's great to see that there are plans. And that is what is important to me.... ;-) Aug 25 17:06:37 Kurisutian: ok. I'm not part of OM, but it looks like FSO is what everyone want's to see finished Aug 25 17:07:04 yeah, seemed to me like that, too Aug 25 17:07:47 OM's part goal (have an open phone available to the average joe) will probably be very qtopia influenced Aug 25 17:07:52 Like I said my tendency was always towards the Freerunner. Even considered to get myself a NEO 1973. But the development status was kinda drawing me back Aug 25 17:09:14 mickeyl: I've run into an ISP (the largest in Sweden, TeliaSonera) that I can't get to work with FSO_GPRS Aug 25 17:09:35 I have complete wvdial config scripts that I've used with two other devices Aug 25 17:09:58 (I never really got things working when starting pppd manually on the FR) Aug 25 17:10:08 mickeyl: should I file a bug for that too? Aug 25 17:10:56 three devices actually Aug 25 17:12:26 TeliaSonera is the company that has the iPhone contract for Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Estonio, Latvia + Lithuania Aug 25 17:12:50 it's basically two lines in a wvdial-config that separates them from the other operators: Aug 25 17:12:53 Init5 = AT+CGDCONT=1,,"online.telia.se" Aug 25 17:12:55 ceda: yes, please file a bug Aug 25 17:12:56 Phone = *99***1# Aug 25 17:13:01 ceda: please include fso logs if possible Aug 25 17:15:09 mickeyl: is logread enough? mdbus -s -l? Aug 25 17:16:19 Alright, thanks for your input! I really appreciate it... kinda helps me with the decision.... ;-) Aug 25 17:18:07 ceda: no, better would be adding log_level=DEBUG to the subsystems Aug 25 17:18:25 and changing log destination to syslog Aug 25 17:18:29 or running it from the console Aug 25 17:18:36 i need to simplify getting me logs... Aug 25 17:21:01 wb Sargun Aug 25 17:21:50 yup. Aug 25 17:23:10 Slick. GPS fix indoors running on sdcard. Aug 25 17:23:28 mickeyl: seems like a good idea. changing destination is hacking /etc/framework* ? Aug 25 17:23:41 let me lookup a wiki page Aug 25 17:23:44 i wrote something on that Aug 25 17:24:07 changing level is documented on a mdbus page Aug 25 17:24:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Aug 25 17:24:18 there you can see how to move destination to syslog Aug 25 17:24:46 ah, didn't see the last line before Aug 25 17:30:03 Hey =) Aug 25 17:30:26 Anyone in SF? Goign to the Openmoko meeting? Aug 25 17:32:06 mooses Aug 25 17:32:27 * CM saw a moose last week Aug 25 17:32:32 http://www.linuxhints.info/index.php/Roku_Netflix_Player Aug 25 17:32:42 in case someone is interested in Linux haxx0ring :p Aug 25 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfe1545c0b449 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Aug 25 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make idlenotifier low priority Aug 25 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Input: refactor the event_q as a public member of Input class Aug 25 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: (better gc) Aug 25 17:32:57 freesmartphone.org: FIXME: idlenotifer state machine transition seems to be too fast for Aug 25 17:32:58 \o/ Aug 25 17:33:01 freesmartphone.org: input plugin to handle Aug 25 17:33:06 Dave Aug 25 17:33:06 ! Aug 25 17:33:11 Chox, and here I thought it was moose porn :( Aug 25 17:33:14 aw. Aug 25 17:33:15 Disappointment. Aug 25 17:33:20 Torikun, hallowed. Aug 25 17:33:21 more like JTAG pr0n Aug 25 17:33:26 lol Aug 25 17:33:27 Yeah yeah, I'm back in my fucking lab now. Aug 25 17:33:30 Are you all happy? Aug 25 17:33:33 :p Aug 25 17:33:35 We are :P Aug 25 17:33:37 a fucking lab? Aug 25 17:33:41 YES Aug 25 17:33:47 hehe :) Aug 25 17:33:48 FREERUNNER PORN Aug 25 17:33:59 does it need a horny pit bull? Aug 25 17:34:33 freerunner needs to work with wifi! Aug 25 17:34:39 anyway, anyone else have a Roku player? Aug 25 17:34:50 Torikun: well, it does? Aug 25 17:35:01 It connetcs Aug 25 17:35:06 can not surf websites Aug 25 17:35:49 hlagh Aug 25 17:35:57 ze Germans Aug 25 17:36:04 Indeed Aug 25 17:36:20 * DaveLab hails ieatlint Aug 25 17:36:22 Torikun: on FSO M2 I've been able to do that with the minimo browser Aug 25 17:36:31 FORCE Aug 25 17:36:56 money force alpha one power! go go! Aug 25 17:37:19 er, monkey Aug 25 17:39:44 ~_~ Aug 25 17:39:44 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 25 17:39:46 man Aug 25 17:39:59 pesky freerunners Aug 25 17:40:08 Hehe Aug 25 17:40:38 * OMZ_Zepher peeks back here Aug 25 17:40:51 ~seen ScaredyCat Aug 25 17:40:55 scaredycat was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 46d 8h 2m 15s ago, saying: 'igo stowaway polz'. Aug 25 17:44:53 ok, you bitches. see you later. Aug 25 17:45:00 (bbq) Aug 25 17:45:27 It'd be nice if we had some way to emulate a double-click Aug 25 17:45:37 or a double click keyboard button or something Aug 25 17:45:38 ~_~ Aug 25 17:45:39 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 25 17:45:43 DaveLab: why not just doubleclick? Aug 25 17:45:49 oops Aug 25 17:45:53 I meant right-click ;D Aug 25 17:45:54 heehee Aug 25 17:45:56 silly me Aug 25 17:45:57 :) Aug 25 17:46:08 there are ways to do that, like in the "mines" game Aug 25 17:46:08 or even... *shudder* a shell-toolbar button :P Aug 25 17:46:09 Yeah, or aux + click on the screen Aug 25 17:46:15 wtf? Aug 25 17:46:21 aux+click is not very handy imo Aug 25 17:46:32 that totally doesn't work Aug 25 17:46:43 DaveLab: : press and hold and after a while register rightclick Aug 25 17:46:45 should be doable Aug 25 17:47:13 Some more hw buttons would have been nice Aug 25 17:47:49 zorkman, who the hell is lazy lulu? Aug 25 17:48:04 Doubleclick: Shake the freerunner Aug 25 17:48:04 zorkman, sounds awkward and needlessly complicated Aug 25 17:48:08 and neod already sucks enough Aug 25 17:48:12 OMZ, fuck gestures :D Aug 25 17:48:17 :P Aug 25 17:48:18 We need a real solution. Aug 25 17:48:24 other than shaken phone syndrome Aug 25 17:48:29 Ytiplr kcick Aug 25 17:48:31 Like holding it for two seconds? Aug 25 17:48:32 Triple click Aug 25 17:48:36 Dave: don't know, he/shyu lives right at your door :) Aug 25 17:48:39 I can still see terrorists using freerunners though :) Aug 25 17:48:44 Zorkman, not really Aug 25 17:48:44 DaveLab: Use a damn bluetooth mouse :D Aug 25 17:48:54 CM, haha yeah, I guess -_- Aug 25 17:48:55 boo Aug 25 17:49:05 Dave, me too. Aug 25 17:49:20 :) Aug 25 17:49:50 too bad, I would have liked to report my location when I was in lake ontario recently :P Aug 25 17:50:03 I could go off shore NY and report my position :D Aug 25 17:50:09 you guys might find that amusing Aug 25 17:50:27 haha I see kd8ikt! Aug 25 17:50:41 and infoport! Aug 25 17:50:54 uhh, zorkman Aug 25 17:50:58 why does it show two lazy lulus Aug 25 17:51:57 haha man this service is fucked up :D Aug 25 17:52:08 brad, out in OR shows two tags in one? Aug 25 17:52:17 but identical GPS coords - what's the point of that? Aug 25 17:52:18 where is kd8ikt? Aug 25 17:52:37 and how do you like Middlesex dave? Aug 25 17:52:38 he's in cincinnati Aug 25 17:52:44 oh-lame-o Aug 25 17:53:09 holy shit, there's a ton of people in europe :O Aug 25 17:53:17 and people apparently in the ocean, too!:D Aug 25 17:53:21 lol Aug 25 17:53:45 all at wurp2|working's party :) Aug 25 17:54:29 ROFL Aug 25 17:54:45 I guess we now know where all the unrepsonsive openmoko developers went Aug 25 17:54:59 look to the left of africa Aug 25 17:55:02 in the ocean Aug 25 17:55:09 LOOK AT ALL THE BODIES Aug 25 17:55:21 There's like ten people located there :X Aug 25 17:55:48 Holy shit! openmoko kills people?! Aug 25 17:57:45 Aha, I found you, Zorkman :P Aug 25 17:57:55 :) Aug 25 17:58:08 I still haven't mapped the other side of my road :) Aug 25 17:58:18 but I have mapped a road to my gf :) Aug 25 17:58:33 amenity:? Aug 25 18:03:28 i just got my openmoko and I am trying to get the usb networking Aug 25 18:03:44 So, where's the problem? Aug 25 18:03:46 when I ssh i don't know which is the root password Aug 25 18:04:14 No one at all... Aug 25 18:04:18 Just leave it blank... Aug 25 18:04:27 :/ doesn't seem to work Aug 25 18:04:29 After you logged in, you may want to change it with "passwd"^^ Aug 25 18:04:34 uhm... Aug 25 18:05:26 jucs: from the terminal? lets try... Aug 25 18:05:53 Yes, from the ssh-terminal... Aug 25 18:06:18 jucs: I can't get it connected Aug 25 18:06:54 Are you able to ping it? Aug 25 18:08:09 jucs: Aug 25 18:08:11 http://rafb.net/p/nvuY2i42.html Aug 25 18:09:48 Strange... Aug 25 18:10:05 Which distribution is installed on it? Aug 25 18:10:08 Om2007.2? Aug 25 18:10:43 jucs: i suppose, I haven't been able to change it yet Aug 25 18:11:06 ? Aug 25 18:11:33 jucs: how do i know? Aug 25 18:12:06 Does it look like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 Aug 25 18:12:21 Or like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2007.2 Aug 25 18:12:29 You'll see some screenshots... Aug 25 18:13:15 jucs: 2007.2 Aug 25 18:13:38 Well, that's the same as I have... I didn't need any password for my first login... Aug 25 18:14:04 ok Aug 25 18:14:10 how can I reset it Aug 25 18:14:18 I need to find Jucs now :D Aug 25 18:14:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner <- Go here ;-) Aug 25 18:15:10 Dave? XD Aug 25 18:15:45 On tangogps friends! Aug 25 18:15:49 Are you there? :) Aug 25 18:16:06 I'm looking in and around germany, but don't see you :| Aug 25 18:16:30 Maybe you fell off the planet again :p Aug 25 18:16:55 :-P Aug 25 18:17:03 Well... one moment, I can set it up .-P Aug 25 18:17:27 The point is, that I have no GPRS configured yet, so it's not very funny... because you can only see me at home... Aug 25 18:17:45 lawl Aug 25 18:17:49 * DaveLab hides from the Zorkman Aug 25 18:18:51 <3 Zorkman Aug 25 18:19:05 Look on scap :P Aug 25 18:19:38 Updates ;-) Aug 25 18:19:41 Updated* Aug 25 18:20:15 Oh well, I think it doesn't have any gps data yet... Aug 25 18:20:46 or did you just become another body floating off the coast of africa? ;)( Aug 25 18:21:27 :-D Aug 25 18:22:25 Lets wait... hopefully it'll get a fix sometime soon^^ Aug 25 18:22:31 Hopefully Aug 25 18:22:39 wait, let me check the ocean! Aug 25 18:23:00 Check Penagrande at 0,0 :-D :-D :-D Aug 25 18:23:12 rofl Aug 25 18:28:28 Bastian is on Antarctica, but he doesn't win THE PRIZE because he's cheating :) Aug 25 18:29:09 haha Aug 25 18:33:19 Yo Aug 25 18:33:32 DaveLab are you the same as Dave ? Aug 25 18:33:50 What do you think? Aug 25 18:34:01 now I know Aug 25 18:34:02 lol Aug 25 18:34:21 Furthermore, why aren't you on the tangogps friends map!? Aug 25 18:34:30 I need to plot a course to your location >:) Aug 25 18:36:11 hehe, no Torikun, it's his nutty-professor alter ego :) Aug 25 18:36:40 and every FR user should be on tangoGPS, that way MArcus Bauer will only code for us :) Aug 25 18:36:45 DAVE! Aug 25 18:36:51 LAzy LUYU is here Aug 25 18:36:52 YES, WHAT!? Aug 25 18:36:57 They are? Aug 25 18:37:01 Where? Aug 25 18:37:03 LuYu has joined this channel Aug 25 18:37:08 LuYu is in china. Aug 25 18:37:13 That can't be them? Aug 25 18:37:19 huh? Aug 25 18:37:28 Luyu, hi? Aug 25 18:37:39 how did i become lazy? Aug 25 18:37:42 zorkman, stop smoking, and go take a bath! Aug 25 18:37:55 luyu, zorkman mistook you for someone else, I believe. Aug 25 18:38:01 oh Aug 25 18:38:02 LuYu is in japan i think Aug 25 18:38:03 Unless Lazy Lulu is your alter identity. Aug 25 18:38:15 HK? Aug 25 18:38:17 sorry Luyu Aug 25 18:38:18 hahaha Aug 25 18:38:38 its kewl Aug 25 18:38:41 Furthermore, why would I ever want to meet someone who calls themselves Lazy Lulu Aug 25 18:38:51 it would be like if torikun started calling himself bigboi69 Aug 25 18:38:54 openmoko: 03werner * r4606 10/developers/werner/greg/ (greg.c s3c24xx-spi.greg): Aug 25 18:38:54 openmoko: - added S3C24xx SPI register definitions Aug 25 18:38:54 openmoko: - added "C" dump mode (experimental) Aug 25 18:39:05 hmmm Aug 25 18:39:10 like, uhh... yeah... sure I want to have lunch with you, and some "other guys"... ~_~ Aug 25 18:39:13 o_O Aug 25 18:39:25 lol Aug 25 18:39:25 "lunch" Aug 25 18:39:27 * DaveLab cringes Aug 25 18:39:37 llol Aug 25 18:39:47 * DaveLab smirks at ieatlint Aug 25 18:39:56 hmm Aug 25 18:39:57 Torikun, you better watch out... Aug 25 18:40:02 lol Aug 25 18:40:07 * Torikun protects a-hole Aug 25 18:40:09 them boys in oakland might send you a similar invitation :p Aug 25 18:40:11 :D Aug 25 18:40:12 lol Aug 25 18:40:18 hi... Aug 25 18:40:18 I'm one lonely guy in Central America. Aug 25 18:40:21 * Torikun runs to east east bay Aug 25 18:40:28 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.SetDebugLevel ogsmd DEBUG Aug 25 18:40:30 bricode, oh, that's you? :) Aug 25 18:40:31 /org/freesmartphone/Framework: SetDebugLevel failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod Aug 25 18:40:32 openmoko: 03werner * r4607 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/ (. Makefile WIRING spi.c): Aug 25 18:40:32 openmoko: - WIRING: SD/SPI wiring cheat sheet Aug 25 18:40:32 openmoko: - Makefile, spi.c: small user-mode demo for polling mode SPI (tested only TX) Aug 25 18:40:36 it would seem that way Aug 25 18:40:50 smirking at me then are we? Aug 25 18:40:58 sure am Aug 25 18:41:01 read the scrollback Aug 25 18:41:11 lol Aug 25 18:41:12 In other news, why aren't you on tango friends!? Aug 25 18:41:20 It's what everyone's doing! Aug 25 18:41:23 "it's gonna rain' Aug 25 18:41:23 lol Aug 25 18:41:29 what's the best/simplest way of loading a simple web page in c? Aug 25 18:41:30 so I accidentally converted my keyboard back to the qtopia one... how can I make it back to the raster keyboard? Aug 25 18:41:31 it sure is... Aug 25 18:41:39 ieatlint, lynx? Aug 25 18:41:42 and don't tell me to open a fd :P Aug 25 18:41:42 :P Aug 25 18:41:46 haha Aug 25 18:41:47 It is not time for Ollie williams with the Blackuwather forecase.......It's gonna rain! Aug 25 18:41:48 uhh Aug 25 18:41:49 no, i mean like api Aug 25 18:41:55 oh, so not embedding Aug 25 18:42:05 torikun: nigga, please Aug 25 18:42:07 Guess what guys! I managed to make 2 phone calls on my Free Runner today! Aug 25 18:42:07 is there any 2008.8 howto? Aug 25 18:42:19 ieatlint: python import httplib ;) Aug 25 18:42:20 torikun, how long did it take? Aug 25 18:42:23 10 min Aug 25 18:42:24 lol Aug 25 18:42:25 about how to install Aug 25 18:42:28 and more importantly, how long did it take for them to be received? Aug 25 18:42:33 pretty much :P Aug 25 18:42:33 ieatlint do you mean something like beautiful soup? Aug 25 18:42:34 10 min Aug 25 18:42:34 ceda, that's not c Aug 25 18:42:34 lol Aug 25 18:42:41 torikun D: Aug 25 18:42:43 scary Aug 25 18:42:46 Listen to my review on it Aug 25 18:42:47 lol Aug 25 18:42:51 fursund, yeah, i could use soup, if it's on the FR Aug 25 18:42:59 ooh, and it is Aug 25 18:43:04 silly lint Aug 25 18:43:05 libsoup 2.2 Aug 25 18:43:08 :D Aug 25 18:43:12 surprise! Aug 25 18:43:46 Dave, unless you're jumping out of a cake, i don't want to hear "surprise!" Aug 25 18:44:19 so any of you know how to make the raster keyboard come back? Aug 25 18:44:41 ieatlint: ... and httplib isn't shipped with python on OM either :/ Aug 25 18:45:13 that sounds like the disney channel Aug 25 18:45:17 no one in san francisco :( Aug 25 18:45:20 crappy Aug 25 18:45:27 ieatlint, haha :P Aug 25 18:45:48 Dave, if you're bored, go get xulrunner/fennec on the OM Aug 25 18:46:00 ieatlint, another thing you especially don't want to hear, around those 'parts' in the hood is... SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER!!! Aug 25 18:46:31 ieatlint, I built it against qtopia already when trying to get motherfucking firefox3 built for the freerunner Aug 25 18:46:36 @*&$^*&# pos didn't work Aug 25 18:48:06 maybe we should go to mozilla's hq and bitch at them Aug 25 18:48:38 I have phone numbers and addresses :) Aug 25 18:48:41 Will that do? >:) Aug 25 18:49:14 lint, if we ever catch up sometime, I'll let you in on some more intimate moz stuff. Aug 25 18:49:23 If you ever wanted to know. Aug 25 18:49:34 Don't blame me if you get mind raped though in the process :D Aug 25 18:50:00 sounds hot Aug 25 18:50:05 uhh Aug 25 18:50:19 if you're into that kind of ... stuff... *shifty-eyed look* Aug 25 18:50:48 i'm not sure i know what we're talking about anymore Aug 25 18:51:04 same :p Aug 25 18:51:12 speaking of mind rape... Aug 25 18:51:17 I need to go submit that bug report now :) Aug 25 18:51:28 openmoko: 03werner * r4608 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (lib/instrument.py lib/scope.py lib/wave.py python.c usbtmc.c): (log message trimmed) Aug 25 18:51:28 openmoko: This mainly adds the long-awaited screendump functionality. Also fixes Aug 25 18:51:28 openmoko: two serious bugs, namely an off-by-twelve error in Rigol USB TMC read Aug 25 18:51:29 openmoko: function and caching converted instead of unconverted values in Aug 25 18:51:30 openmoko: settings, which broke larger scripts. Aug 25 18:51:32 openmoko: - lib/wave.py: added "extend" method for all waves Aug 25 18:51:34 openmoko: - lib/scope.py: started support for piecewise wave retrieval (doesn't work yet) Aug 25 18:52:06 Well, I think it's time for another lunch, too. Aug 25 18:52:29 Ieatlint, can we have a party at your place? Aug 25 18:52:35 Say, next weekish? Aug 25 18:53:02 anyone running debian on neo? is it good? Aug 25 18:53:17 Ainulindale: the installed did Aug 25 18:53:19 hah, nah... my roommates wouldn't be particularly pleased Aug 25 18:53:19 It's slowly becoming more promising. Aug 25 18:53:19 not work Aug 25 18:53:29 ieatlint, oh :x Aug 25 18:53:31 Nevermind then. Aug 25 18:53:40 Torikun's place then? Aug 25 18:53:41 :P Aug 25 18:53:42 almien: i am biased but it looks promising Aug 25 18:53:48 lindi, sure are :) Aug 25 18:54:47 Anyway, time for lunch, and to play doom on my phone. Aug 25 18:55:06 lindi-: can you get much done in a standard WM using just the touchscreen? Aug 25 18:55:29 almien: matchbox-window-manager? Aug 25 18:56:10 is that the standard one? it's optimised for touchscreen? Aug 25 18:56:36 almien: standard one? Aug 25 18:56:49 almien: you can install it to your normal debian system too Aug 25 18:56:49 just reading about it now Aug 25 18:58:26 is there some standard format for describing virtual keyboard layouts? every program seems to have its own Aug 25 19:08:58 how come "dfu-util -l" is retrieving me a device even if I don't have anything connected? Aug 25 19:09:09 anyone tried Qtopia? Aug 25 19:09:25 I have Aug 25 19:09:51 me too Aug 25 19:09:57 and I'm using it right now ^^ Aug 25 19:10:01 apol: you probably have a bluetooth dongle or internal device on your system. Aug 25 19:10:22 mwester: I can't flash if I have this, do I have an alternative? Aug 25 19:11:22 tuXXX: Have you tried to connect a bluetooth headset? Aug 25 19:11:34 or you lpotter? Aug 25 19:11:52 apol: try the -d option Aug 25 19:12:08 Blalien: hmm... no Aug 25 19:12:25 apol: in my case I'm using: su -c "./dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D \"$jffs2\"" Aug 25 19:12:42 retracile: I'll try Aug 25 19:12:44 lets see... Aug 25 19:13:18 tuXXX: Oke, bummer... I have the problem that I cannot use it. But it is recognized. That did'nt even happen with 2007.2 or 2008.08 Aug 25 19:13:31 Blalien: I don't have one, and I don't really want to use one... I don't like microwaves ^^ Aug 25 19:13:42 Blalien: doubt that would work on any gui currently Aug 25 19:13:52 bummer Aug 25 19:13:56 btw.. is there a 2008.8 image that actually works? Aug 25 19:13:57 yep Aug 25 19:14:30 and lorn, how far is 4.4? i recall it was Real Soon Now (tm) couple of weeks ago :) Aug 25 19:15:57 I saw there was a preview Aug 25 19:16:22 http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=599&forum=5 Aug 25 19:17:21 anything also for FR? as 4.3 is so far the most stable distro on FR Aug 25 19:18:09 (hmm this is only qtopia core... so is it only the libs and not the whole environment?) Aug 25 19:18:34 yeah.. seems so Aug 25 19:19:13 and damn.. i hoped so much of todays asu update.. but still doesn't work Aug 25 19:27:23 $ make porr Aug 25 19:29:43 http://www.gaffabillet.dk/index.php?grp=present Aug 25 19:29:59 why does the topic state: no usable phone yet. i think it's pretty good together with qtopia Aug 25 19:30:38 because 'no usable phone' ignores Qtopia Aug 25 19:31:09 Qtopia is good indeed.. lorn.. excellent work.. really looking forward to 4,4 Aug 25 19:31:10 Bill_: few more weeks Aug 25 19:31:10 you mean openmoko developers do ignore qtopia? Aug 25 19:31:36 is qtopia more stable than the stock system? Aug 25 19:31:38 Bill_: have you managed to build qtopia? Aug 25 19:31:49 nope.. haven't looked into that Aug 25 19:31:50 Bill_: no, I mean that statement ignores that Qtopia can make a usable phone Aug 25 19:32:05 have had too much work sadly.. Aug 25 19:32:10 Bill_: since i'd favor the system that can be improved easily Aug 25 19:32:10 ok, that's just what i wanted to know Aug 25 19:32:15 lpotter: that i know.. as it's not openmoko distro Aug 25 19:32:58 * ssweeny uses qtopia on flash for the main phone, and other distros on sd cards for devel Aug 25 19:33:08 lindi-: i believe lorn is able to instruct and help you on this.. if he has the time :) Aug 25 19:33:08 qtopia is not a distro. Aug 25 19:33:35 lpotter: where do you position it? WM? Aug 25 19:33:45 lindi-: so how did wesnoth perform on the FR? Aug 25 19:33:58 or desktop environment? Aug 25 19:34:00 lindi-: the resolution problem makes it completely unusable? Aug 25 19:34:18 Bill_: environment, not desktop Aug 25 19:34:36 ok.. Aug 25 19:34:56 yep Aug 25 19:35:33 qtoia is like kde, except its better for phones :) Aug 25 19:35:47 nyu: no idea, didn't try to play Aug 25 19:35:58 heh Aug 25 19:36:19 ok.. figured something like that Aug 25 19:37:03 lindi-: but the main screen is sane? Aug 25 19:37:13 i.e. you see the buttons that would allow you to start a game? Aug 25 19:37:26 nyu: now with that resolution easily Aug 25 19:38:02 ? Aug 25 19:38:19 s/now/not/ Aug 25 19:38:19 lindi- meant: nyu: not with that resolution easily Aug 25 19:38:27 ah ok Aug 25 19:38:30 thanks for the test Aug 25 19:43:52 Dave: in two weeks party at my place is allright :p Aug 25 19:45:57 lindi-: arm or armel? Aug 25 19:46:17 armel works, right? Aug 25 19:46:20 how can I connect the wifi? Aug 25 19:46:32 nyu: huh? armel of course Aug 25 19:46:34 i can't configure it through settings Aug 25 19:47:45 lindi-: okie Aug 25 19:48:04 apol: iwconfig? Aug 25 19:49:02 lindi-: I have to connect it through usb first? Aug 25 19:49:32 apol: or type to terminal Aug 25 19:50:12 do i have a terminal on 2008.8? Aug 25 19:50:26 yes Aug 25 19:50:28 vte Aug 25 19:50:32 xterm Aug 25 19:50:38 or om-terminal Aug 25 19:50:50 ummmm Aug 25 19:50:51 I have try this Aug 25 19:50:51 how? Aug 25 19:51:02 opkg install Aug 25 19:51:07 i don't have internet connection to install anything Aug 25 19:51:11 apol: i don't know Aug 25 19:53:01 lindi: i'm building armel emdebian. Still have to wait a day or two to check if all needed packages are properly built. Aug 25 19:53:28 But to start em_autobuild was hell. thanks to codehelp (Neil) for help. Debianists are awesome. Aug 25 19:53:31 ike: why? ;) Aug 25 19:53:49 lindi: why I am building it or why I have to wait? :-) Aug 25 19:53:51 ike: i'd concentrate on getting usable keyboard first :P Aug 25 19:53:58 pf :P Aug 25 19:54:28 I'll wait for you. After two days you'll give me a decent keyboard and I'll try emdebian. Aug 25 19:54:32 ];-) Aug 25 19:54:50 I'm just a simple admin. My programming skills are hackish. Aug 25 20:00:38 can 2008.8 use the 2007 multitap-pad any way? Aug 25 20:03:04 mickey|tv: SetDebugLevel gives me UnknownMethod error on the three images I've tested today. Aug 25 20:06:36 root@om-gta02:~# mke2fs -j /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 25 20:06:37 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) Aug 25 20:06:37 Warning: could not erase sector 2: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write Aug 25 20:06:40 uhm Aug 25 20:07:01 is the mmc driver for this chipset buggy? Aug 25 20:07:25 mmm, people. If I'm interested in a good choice in software, some phone usability (but it's not my primary phone), and easy porting of packages to it - what'd be my choice of distribution? ;) Aug 25 20:09:42 Veggen: what do you mean by "easy porting of packages to it" ? Aug 25 20:09:45 well. I can install a cross-compiling tool and all that. I guess I need a distribution that has the basic toolkits that other small-screen units have. Aug 25 20:10:43 is there some proper way to change the ringtone in 2008.8? The path to the wav file is hard coded in a qtopia lib. I just replaced that wav with another one but I was wondering whether there's some other way. Aug 25 20:10:49 ok, not well explained ;) Aug 25 20:11:03 Is 2008.8 any good yet? Aug 25 20:11:13 Is there any way to make opkg upgrade stop breaking my Qtopia installed on the flash? And is there any way to disable syspend on Om 2008.8? I can't do *anything* on my phone, cause I have to keep one my hand on the phone, while typing on the terminal with the other, so that it doesn't suspend while I'm doing anything Aug 25 20:12:01 Veggen: Well, unlike 2007.2, it's absolutely unusable for anything Aug 25 20:13:12 # dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null Aug 25 20:13:13 dd: /dev/mmcblk0: Input/output error Aug 25 20:13:14 grmpf Aug 25 20:13:32 fr00n03ia: I was afraid of that. I'll pass for now, then :) Aug 25 20:13:35 lindi-: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt was posted in om-cdevel and I just google'd your "test number" - it's MS support or such, isn't it? :-D Aug 25 20:13:49 Veggen: 2008.8 is quite a pain in terms of usability. I installed a terminal, modified the keyboard and upgrade to the testing tree by Zecke and it's more or less usable now. When I flashed 2008.8 the only things that were working afterwards were receiving calls and Sudoku ;) Aug 25 20:13:52 Arcnet: i disclaim all warranty on the number :) Aug 25 20:14:00 fr00n03ia: install illume-config, then use the wrench in the top left of the menu to set the suspend options. Aug 25 20:14:09 Arcnet: my friend used it for testing his asterisk setup Aug 25 20:14:15 jaj: oh. I can live with having to fix some things. Aug 25 20:14:17 alephnull: It says its already up to date, I don't have any wrench on the top Aug 25 20:14:29 :-D Aug 25 20:14:44 fr00n03ia: In that sliding menu thing. Aug 25 20:15:31 Arcnet: i haven't actually used it yet but afaik it's automated service for some proprietary license activation stuff Aug 25 20:15:57 alephnull: OK, what do I do? :) Aug 25 20:16:02 openmoko is looking for "Package.sig" files but they don't exist :S Aug 25 20:16:06 lindi-: you use rana on debian? Aug 25 20:16:13 fr00n03ia: It's under Power. Aug 25 20:16:26 almien: never heard about it Aug 25 20:16:41 lindi-: hehe, I think I keep it in mind (though using the german activation number) for my testcalls (always calling my landline is quite expensive oO) ;) Aug 25 20:16:41 almien: what is that? Aug 25 20:17:52 alephnull: Under power where? On the top I have an arrow showing the running tasks, the keyboard starter, a star-dot thing, an battery indicator, and a clock :) Aug 25 20:18:11 oh ok. don't worry then. It's my own program; for some reason I thought that you had been running it before Aug 25 20:18:58 goddamn, what is up with those 2008.8 developpers, what is the use of removing the spanner/wrench, when nog implementing an alternative? Aug 25 20:19:23 there isn't any way to set singe or double click to launch apps, and no fps configuration Aug 25 20:19:24 Huh, more funny, my Qtopia doesn't work as an USB host anymore after I did opkg upgrade on my Om 2008.8 :D Aug 25 20:20:18 Could someone tell me if there's a version of Android available that works on the neo? Aug 25 20:20:36 fr00n03ia: If you click that arrow with the running tasks and the menu slides down, you should see a wrench in the top left. Aug 25 20:21:04 openmoko is looking for "Package.sig" files but they don't exist :S what should i do before "opkg update"? Aug 25 20:21:18 apol: signatures are not yet implemented, just ignore them Aug 25 20:21:25 Blalien1: yes, there's no such thing yet. Aug 25 20:21:28 Well, I guess I won't be able to check that, as my Om 2008.8 doesn't boot anymore :) Aug 25 20:21:38 Zorkman: ok Aug 25 20:21:55 has anyone here ordered from koolu? Aug 25 20:21:57 ceda: ok thanks Aug 25 20:22:49 is there somewhere a list of interesting programs to install? Aug 25 20:23:02 :) Aug 25 20:23:23 apol: opkg list Aug 25 20:23:25 why do i get that: " * Could not obtain administrative lock"? Aug 25 20:23:26 yes, install debian Aug 25 20:23:28 :) Aug 25 20:23:30 apol: openmoko-agpsui, tangogps, pidgin, numptyphisics, mokoegg, mofi Aug 25 20:23:34 so what's more stable, qtopia or om2008.8? Aug 25 20:23:39 Cool, it's already a month since I'm trying to boot anything on this phone Aug 25 20:23:49 that let's me use ssh to it Aug 25 20:23:52 apol: numptyphisics and remoko perhaps Aug 25 20:23:53 Still no success :D Aug 25 20:23:53 apol: because you used the graphical installer, close the installer and try again, if that does not work: killall packagekitd Aug 25 20:23:55 nyu: qtopia Aug 25 20:24:05 TAsn-orderedmoko: yes Aug 25 20:24:17 mmontour, did you get an email on the progress? Aug 25 20:24:39 It was cool how 2007.2 images booted and worked and everything was cool Aug 25 20:24:53 mmontour, i feel like http://xkcd.com/281/ Aug 25 20:24:58 fr00n03ia: you can just flash 2007.2 again Aug 25 20:25:01 just without the info about where my package is :) Aug 25 20:25:14 okay then Aug 25 20:25:24 I got a tracking number but it may depend on which shipping option you chose Aug 25 20:25:35 in us Aug 25 20:25:38 the cheaper one ;0 Aug 25 20:25:43 sec i will check it's nme Aug 25 20:25:45 name* Aug 25 20:26:04 mmontour, Canada Post (1 box(es) to be shipped) (Xpresspost USA, 2008-09-06): Aug 25 20:26:10 does that makes sense? Aug 25 20:26:33 I'd expect that to have a tracking number, but I don't know for sure (I'm in Canada) Aug 25 20:26:43 i see Aug 25 20:26:44 jaj: Yup, but I would rather flash Qtopia again, at the moment. :) I wanted to play with ASU, though. Qtopia is uninteresting to me, I use it when I fry my other phone. :) Aug 25 20:26:44 does qtopia use x11? Aug 25 20:26:54 mmontour, when did you get you tracking number? Aug 25 20:27:02 how many days after order? ;0 Aug 25 20:27:05 im anxious. Aug 25 20:28:22 it's so great to have a real xterm on the phone Aug 25 20:28:28 about 4 days (including a weekend), don't remember exactly Aug 25 20:29:54 mmontour, then it's just me being crazy, nothing more ;0 Aug 25 20:30:09 im waiting for a moko for about 1.5 years give or take Aug 25 20:30:23 :) Aug 25 20:30:37 is any way to disable word prediction in keyboard? Aug 25 20:31:44 Does opkg upgrade upgrade the kernel on the flash, or the kernel in /boot, or both? (Just trying to guess why it fried both OSes, not just one of them) Aug 25 20:32:05 marcinsoo: it's mentioned in the wiki Aug 25 20:32:14 jaj, where at? Aug 25 20:32:43 which linux version is included with the current qtopia & om2008.8 distros? Aug 25 20:32:56 jaj: i check it out once more... thx Aug 25 20:33:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard Aug 25 20:33:48 and you can use the zoom feature to turn off prediction temporarily Aug 25 20:35:11 anybody has the full-qwerty.kbd file? in 2008.8-upgrade the file is not included Aug 25 20:35:29 so I'm unable to use the full qwerty keyboard, if someone could upload his file... Aug 25 20:35:46 it's located at /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd Aug 25 20:36:29 ouch. qtopia is not x11 is it? Aug 25 20:36:36 nope, not x11 Aug 25 20:36:39 Is there a way I can decrease the fontsize of the installer? Aug 25 20:37:00 ok, so if I want stability, but not at the expense of losing x11, should I upgrade to om2008.8? Aug 25 20:37:35 2008.8 == far from stable Aug 25 20:37:40 nyu: 2008.8 is not very stable Aug 25 20:37:44 its worse than 2007.2 for me Aug 25 20:37:48 WAY worse Aug 25 20:37:54 same here Aug 25 20:37:56 jaj : i'd like to disable it at all Aug 25 20:38:11 why opkg keeps asking me to "opkg update"? http://rafb.net/p/CJXP2H32.html Aug 25 20:38:16 what I have now (om2007 ?) is not stable either :-/ Aug 25 20:38:17 Zorkman: https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?q=inurl:Full-QWERTY.kbd ;) Aug 25 20:38:26 thanks jaj! Aug 25 20:38:30 I dont have a lot of problems with it. Then again, I got it a few days ago and I didn't start to break it yet Aug 25 20:38:43 ok actually, I just need a newer linux build that can support my mmc Aug 25 20:38:56 for some reason, the card works fine elsewhere, but produces I/O errors in the FR Aug 25 20:39:08 The Micro SD? Aug 25 20:39:12 yes Aug 25 20:39:21 Yes, it makes me unable to make phone calls Aug 25 20:39:24 the no-pin thing Aug 25 20:39:28 are there known bugs about uSD support? Aug 25 20:39:39 or any BTS I could check Aug 25 20:39:49 The mailinglist Aug 25 20:40:03 Or the trac Aug 25 20:40:28 nyu: there are a few /sys tunables (e.g. clock speed, drive strength) but I can't give you specifics. My 4G card "just works" Aug 25 20:40:50 I wonder whether it's safe to buy a gta03 or wether there will be only new firmwares for the gta04 a few months later. would anyone care about it, if I only had expensive trash? Aug 25 20:41:18 mmontour: so maybe I should just buy a new card? Aug 25 20:41:30 anyways, I`m leaving. Aug 25 20:41:46 * OMZ_Zepher sleeps Aug 25 20:42:32 nyu: I'd at least look in 'dmesg' for errors, and report your problems somewhere (Trac and/or a wiki page about supported uSD cards) Aug 25 20:43:10 pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d34c00): scheduling work Aug 25 20:43:10 pcf50633_work: INT1=0x00 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x40 INT4=0x00 INT5=0x00 Aug 25 20:43:10 ADCRDY Aug 25 20:43:12 uhm Aug 25 20:43:15 why opkg keeps asking me to "opkg update"? http://rafb.net/p/CJXP2H32.html Aug 25 20:43:18 my dmesg is filled with that error Aug 25 20:43:59 that's just debugging noise. Are you running an old kernel? (I thought that stuff was turned off in the newer ones) Aug 25 20:43:59 but that's power management, right? Aug 25 20:44:18 mmontour: the one in om2007 (linux 2.6.24) Aug 25 20:44:33 can I update it without changing the userland env? Aug 25 20:44:36 I will flash my moko to solve some boot problem - i understand that 2008.8 has no updates? Does that mean there are no other packages available either, like tango gps, the minimo browser either? Aug 25 20:44:40 mmontour: that is your *sd? Aug 25 20:45:02 eh ... with one either less Aug 25 20:45:08 mmontour: what model? Aug 25 20:45:18 nyu: not necessarily - the userspace needs to have a matching set of kernel modules Aug 25 20:45:40 I guess I'll just wait, then Aug 25 20:46:05 how hard is it to get an usb host adapter? Aug 25 20:46:36 nyu: usb a female female are not so difficult to find Aug 25 20:46:55 then, you just plug on your usb cable Aug 25 20:46:57 good night Aug 25 20:46:58 :) Aug 25 20:48:13 oh, but it needs hackery to move it to host mode Aug 25 20:48:39 hello all! enjoying my FR, but GPS has suddenly stopped getting a fix. Is there anything that would make it suddenly take WAY longer to get a fix than before. Aug 25 20:48:41 TeXitoi: I don't have it with me to check the model. Patriot 4G something Aug 25 20:48:48 Gromgull, you can install pkgs on 2008.8 Aug 25 20:48:57 mmontour: ok, thanks Aug 25 20:49:05 PARTY AT ZORKMANS! Aug 25 20:49:13 (in two weeks) :p Aug 25 20:49:20 hi.. anyone knows an easy solution to pygtk being unable to import cairo? Aug 25 20:49:28 indeed, everyone is welcome Aug 25 20:49:28 phrozen77: ok - so the sinister warning "There are *NO* updates available for 2008.08 anywhere on buildhost.openmoko.org - the daily-feeds directory is incompatible with 2008.08 and will corrupt your software configuration if you use it. " at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download is overdone? :) Aug 25 20:49:30 Infoport: weather? O:-) Aug 25 20:49:39 * phrozen77 invites himself Aug 25 20:50:07 you don't have to, you're already invited Aug 25 20:50:20 and I told Dave: free geek-hats for everyone that brings his FR :p Aug 25 20:50:32 Gromgull, no - i meant that you indeed can install apps Aug 25 20:50:40 not saying that you can update the os or anything Aug 25 20:50:49 right Aug 25 20:51:18 :D Aug 25 20:51:43 Hey Infoport - I found you on the map, earlier :) Aug 25 20:51:43 goddam, i wish 2008.8 worked so I could KILL it Aug 25 20:51:44 I take it havign bought my device from pulster it's a gta02v5? Aug 25 20:51:53 zorkman :P Aug 25 20:51:56 Zorkman, where are you located? Aug 25 20:52:03 oh Aug 25 20:52:04 .be Aug 25 20:52:04 loller.be Aug 25 20:52:05 hmm Aug 25 20:52:07 phrozen; belgium Aug 25 20:52:15 waffles Aug 25 20:52:15 when? Aug 25 20:52:28 roflwaffles! Aug 25 20:52:35 I *did* take the FR apart, and checked the plug to the GPS antenna-- I made sure it was round and it snapped into place, while the other end is soldered on (not great, but connected) Aug 25 20:52:50 Hi I just want to increase the volume of the microphone, as call receivers don't hear me. but I don't manage to find what value change in which file. I have tried with alsamixer, but values seems to be changed "on the fly" by some kind of script. which one is it ? Aug 25 20:52:58 Gromgull: look for the "Revision:" line in /proc/cpuinfo (0350 == v5) Aug 25 20:53:08 piti: It should be gsmhandset.state Aug 25 20:53:29 piti: did you set Mic2 volume to 3? Aug 25 20:53:41 Dave: from my published location through TangoGPS? cool! It hasnt updated in a while, since GPS hasnt been responsive Aug 25 20:53:42 Gromgull, its also on the sticker under the battery Aug 25 20:54:03 why opkg keeps asking me to "opkg update"? http://rafb.net/p/CJXP2H32.html Aug 25 20:54:46 apol, because downloading the packages has failed Aug 25 20:54:55 note the lines with .gz at the end Aug 25 20:55:05 its normal to fail for the .sig files on the other hand Aug 25 20:55:17 suggests your networking isnt...working Aug 25 20:55:24 can you ping google.com from the fr? Aug 25 20:55:48 apol: did you edit your etc/resolv.conf ? Aug 25 20:56:06 What 's the Green bar on the top left of FSO gui And what are the caracters "b G1 w s" on top of it ? Aug 25 20:56:08 Zorkman, so what will the party be about? Aug 25 20:56:13 Zorkman: mic2 should be in gsmhandset.state ? Aug 25 20:56:17 w_erase: battery, gsm, wlan, gprs Aug 25 20:56:22 if they have a "1", they're turned on Aug 25 20:56:36 anyone knows an easy solution to pygtk being unable to import cairo? - on a fresh install of 2007.2 + updgrade Aug 25 20:56:41 phrozen77: I don't know:) if some people want to come, i'll host a party, if nobody's comming i'll also party :) Aug 25 20:56:46 piti: yes Aug 25 20:56:51 lol Aug 25 20:56:51 Dave: Is there some way to check the tangogps public positions through a web browser? Aug 25 20:56:53 where are you phrozen77? Aug 25 20:56:57 .de Aug 25 20:57:40 in 1.5-2 weeks i'm moving into my new appartment, so we could babtize it with some good belgian beer :) Aug 25 20:57:52 mhh Aug 25 20:57:52 :) Aug 25 20:57:55 I got hardly any GPS fix with 2007.2 but since I updated to 2008.8 I didn't get any fix at all anymore... Aug 25 20:58:11 2008.8 == big fail Aug 25 20:58:18 i wonder why they bothered to release it at all Aug 25 20:58:38 cjb, what could be 'battery' 1 ? charging ? what about the green bar ? current batt capacity ? Aug 25 20:58:38 yeah Aug 25 20:58:53 and the "updated" version of 2008.8 is not better Aug 25 20:59:00 w_erase: yes Aug 25 20:59:11 i mean ok Aug 25 20:59:13 I also reflashed to a newer OM2007, 0820 or 0821, (because my old one got borked) Aug 25 20:59:15 the fr is beta Aug 25 20:59:21 BUT SOMETHING HAS TO WORK Aug 25 20:59:28 not even the fucking alarm works Aug 25 20:59:32 hey! sudoko works ;) Aug 25 20:59:45 can it get any worse? Aug 25 20:59:51 hmmm...suddenly it works with the external antenna. (I swear I tried it before-- the FR must have heard my talking/typing about it) Aug 25 20:59:57 i SO bought the fr cause sudoku Aug 25 21:00:46 :D Aug 25 21:00:54 Dave: wtf is cga doing behind your back? Aug 25 21:01:05 phrozen77: i can ping yes Aug 25 21:01:07 * cga shakes Aug 25 21:01:20 apol, even domains instead of ips? Aug 25 21:01:20 phrozen77: is theere a solution? Aug 25 21:01:24 phrozen77: yes sure Aug 25 21:01:33 then no idea, sorry Aug 25 21:01:39 ah shit Aug 25 21:01:46 What what!? Aug 25 21:01:47 no after rebooting Aug 25 21:01:49 maybe Zorkman or Dave has one Aug 25 21:02:00 apol, so dns doesnt work Aug 25 21:02:02 cgalpin in Cumberland Aug 25 21:02:04 wurp2, I'm currently working with marcus on it. Aug 25 21:02:06 or trying to :) Aug 25 21:02:14 since that is what I've been arguing for a while Aug 25 21:02:14 apol: you can ping? Aug 25 21:02:16 and can you wget? Aug 25 21:02:23 Zorkman: now i can Aug 25 21:02:27 i had to fix resolv.conf Aug 25 21:02:27 Zorkman, what is cga doing? Aug 25 21:02:32 now opkg should work Aug 25 21:02:34 GAH, I want a phone that can adjust ring volume to the env Aug 25 21:02:41 apol: you notice the // typo? Aug 25 21:02:47 hiding in cumberland (southwest of you): cgalpin Aug 25 21:02:51 Zorkman: a local quick-mart put a bunch of beer on sale because it was Winter beers. They still taste good, so we have bought a bunch. One is from Belgium, Barbar (2nd 'a' should have ~) for only $3.49/4pk Aug 25 21:03:22 apol: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide#Unofficial_.28zecke.29_Updates first sentence Aug 25 21:03:31 yeah i know that beer Infoport; it's ok Aug 25 21:03:39 lets see Aug 25 21:03:51 but what is Winter beer?? Aug 25 21:04:05 ASAIK you can always drink beer :) Aug 25 21:04:22 Zorkman, omgwtfbbq!? Aug 25 21:04:23 Zorkman, not my fav beer, but good and dark and strong. My father-in-law loves it so much he has gone back 3-4 times Aug 25 21:04:28 ZE FRENCH ARE HERE!? Aug 25 21:04:48 there are 4,014 unique bus stops on 415 bus routes for 85 bus lines in san francisco's public transit system Aug 25 21:05:05 it is working Aug 25 21:05:08 thanks phrozen77 :) Aug 25 21:05:24 Dave, I am :-) Aug 25 21:05:37 apol, yw Aug 25 21:05:40 :O Aug 25 21:05:44 THERE ARE MORE OF YOU!? Aug 25 21:05:49 ieatlint: what are you babling about? :) Aug 25 21:05:54 ieatlint :) Aug 25 21:06:04 Zorkman, SEKRET PROJEKTZ Aug 25 21:06:14 fo realz? Aug 25 21:06:16 AI LAIK! Aug 25 21:06:25 LOLCODE! Aug 25 21:06:26 A Davelint production? Aug 25 21:06:30 Zorkman: ok *traditional* winter beers (plus these may be old, from Winter) The other beer is a Winter Solstice beer with subtle spices of clove, etc. Bocks are traditional Winter beers but I like them year-round Aug 25 21:06:42 Infoport Aug 25 21:06:43 Zorkman, i just loaded the entire system's data, including gps coords for each bus stop into an sql database as part of a bus program for the phone Aug 25 21:06:57 It's super cool! Aug 25 21:06:58 hum, I have tried with a value of 3 for mic2, but it seems volume is still weak, and noise has raised for the called person... another idea ? Aug 25 21:06:59 *sigh Aug 25 21:07:01 ieatlint: nice, you have my blessing Aug 25 21:07:05 Hello roh Aug 25 21:07:14 hi roh, what's bothering you? Aug 25 21:07:17 anybody a clue how to get wordpress to gimme rss2 instead of html-foo? Aug 25 21:07:35 i though http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?cat=20?feed=rss2 is it... but it istn... how i hate this php-crud Aug 25 21:07:41 is anybody able to install the pidgin package? I get a config file error (i.e. return code 2) Aug 25 21:07:42 haha Aug 25 21:07:49 jaj, worked for me Aug 25 21:07:52 URL for RSS 2.0 feed Aug 25 21:07:53 Aug 25 21:07:57 though I had to manually install ALL the pidgin packages which was a pain Aug 25 21:08:01 Infoport, bock beers rule :) Aug 25 21:08:02 jaj: i have jsut installed pidgin Aug 25 21:08:06 just Aug 25 21:08:12 jaj, did you add scaredycats repo? Aug 25 21:08:15 ieatlint, you and your german fetishes Aug 25 21:08:16 :p Aug 25 21:08:23 I got them off celtune Aug 25 21:08:25 HEY Aug 25 21:08:28 phrozen77: nope Aug 25 21:08:32 I drank bock beer once.. can't really remember the taste though :( Aug 25 21:08:36 Dave, i saw what you wrote there! Aug 25 21:08:39 Dave, hey, i go with what works Aug 25 21:08:40 >_< Aug 25 21:08:43 although too many german beers suck Aug 25 21:08:45 Zorkman, were you date raped? :O Aug 25 21:08:48 ieatlint, WAT Aug 25 21:08:50 :) Aug 25 21:08:52 lint, haha Aug 25 21:08:53 hehehe :) Aug 25 21:08:53 ;) Aug 25 21:09:02 weihenstephan FTW Aug 25 21:09:07 i said a lot of german beers suck :P Aug 25 21:09:07 phrozen, what did I write? Aug 25 21:09:11 :D Aug 25 21:09:20 ieatlint, you and your german fetishes Aug 25 21:09:20 should I change Mic1 ? (or maybe that's useful for lefthanded people) Aug 25 21:09:21 generic pilsener crap :P Aug 25 21:09:23 o_O Aug 25 21:09:25 Barbar (Belgian) is a winter bock (or they spelled it Bok) Very malty dcark beers, usually stronger Aug 25 21:09:37 jetzt bist du aufgeregt? ;) Aug 25 21:09:45 I'm going to hunt down Infoport Aug 25 21:09:49 but first, Kenyoung! Aug 25 21:09:51 JA Aug 25 21:09:52 *g* Aug 25 21:09:54 He's on my hitlist. Aug 25 21:09:57 but we have way better beers than Barbar, you should try all of our "trappisten" Aug 25 21:10:16 Someone having FSO with power saving working properly here ? Aug 25 21:10:16 Zorkman: westvleeteren Aug 25 21:10:25 jaj: yeah, that one is really good Aug 25 21:10:31 for anyone who is into german beers -> try augustiner bräu Aug 25 21:10:40 can some kind soul point me to the location of the app sources for the om2008 image? the wiki says they're publically available but i can't seem to find the link. Aug 25 21:10:46 Zorkman: it's No. 1 worldwide according to beeradvocate.com Aug 25 21:10:53 we also have a beer calles "augustijn" :) Aug 25 21:10:55 iperr1, its in the wiki Aug 25 21:11:15 Zorkman, IMITATORS! Aug 25 21:11:16 :) Aug 25 21:11:17 lately our karmeliet also recieved a price i think, it's brewed <50km from my home Aug 25 21:11:32 augustiner from munich is really nice Aug 25 21:11:43 ieatlint, so who's brining the beer? :P Aug 25 21:11:44 jaj, yep Aug 25 21:11:51 zorkman is Aug 25 21:11:55 Zorkman, bring palm Aug 25 21:11:57 err Aug 25 21:12:08 thats why i mentioned it Aug 25 21:12:09 I hope he doesn't get jacked en route :P Aug 25 21:12:18 I hope he doesn't have to pay duties on it, either Aug 25 21:12:24 if he's packing his luggage with it :) Aug 25 21:12:28 palm is nothing special Aug 25 21:12:34 will anybody of you be at the 25c3? Aug 25 21:12:45 i like palm Aug 25 21:12:54 and it's unobtainable here... like altbier :( Aug 25 21:12:55 jaj, prolly not :( Aug 25 21:13:13 aww Aug 25 21:13:16 you guys should also try Duvel and Kasteelbier Aug 25 21:13:26 You guys should try some fine wines. Aug 25 21:13:33 better yet Aug 25 21:13:40 we should all get together and make our OWN beer(s)! Aug 25 21:13:41 or Deus Brut De Flandres! Aug 25 21:13:46 What a great use of a linux group :P Aug 25 21:13:47 haha Aug 25 21:13:53 gimme weed anytime over beer Aug 25 21:13:54 :) Aug 25 21:13:55 Our brewery runs on linux? Aug 25 21:14:00 Zorkman, you flemish or walloons? Aug 25 21:14:06 flemish Aug 25 21:14:06 hehe Aug 25 21:14:09 ah, good Aug 25 21:14:12 good :P Aug 25 21:14:15 indeed :D Aug 25 21:14:18 Dave well tonight I'll be at Brizz pizza soon! They have a Monday night special, $1.50 domestic craft beers. Unfortunately since winter ended they only have one local Bock beer, but other good ones like Loose Cannon IPA, Bell's beers, and ~15 more Aug 25 21:14:19 :D Aug 25 21:14:28 didn't infoport brew his own beer? Aug 25 21:14:50 Here at princeton they've got a couple great small breweries :D Aug 25 21:14:55 i think he does, at least some american FR user does Aug 25 21:14:57 they're quite well known Aug 25 21:15:04 Zorkman I am an amateur brewer, with a local brew club (I'm just getting started) Aug 25 21:15:11 haha Aug 25 21:15:16 local brew club? Aug 25 21:15:34 anyway, i'm off for the rest of the day Aug 25 21:15:35 cya Aug 25 21:15:37 Infoport: do you export :p Aug 25 21:15:45 ok, bye ieatlint Aug 25 21:16:09 There was a Summertime Brews Festival here on Saturday, and the Battleground Brewers Guild had our new bar built and going...17 different beers entered by our brewers!! Aug 25 21:16:16 Zorkman, so will there be any weed at the party? =) Aug 25 21:16:25 Infoport, I see you there, brewing your beer! Aug 25 21:16:27 later lintman Aug 25 21:16:35 That's 17 5-gal kegs entered for consumption, not really a contest Aug 25 21:16:38 you should also try Kwak and all the stuff from Lindemans Aug 25 21:16:49 damn - after flashing everything it still hangs after "kernel starting..." Aug 25 21:16:52 Distance to Infoport: 689.471km Aug 25 21:16:58 Dave: Is there some way to check the tangogps public positions through a web browser? Aug 25 21:17:09 wurp, not as of presently, no :( Aug 25 21:17:18 I'm working on getting that happening, since I'd really like it :) Aug 25 21:17:29 It's totally useful, and would only further encourage the use of tango :) Aug 25 21:17:41 phrozen77: if you want i can get some, I normally don't have any with me, but that should be no problem Aug 25 21:17:49 ah - but there we go - ah - funny boot-splash :) Aug 25 21:17:53 Zorkman exporting it would bruise it, but I need to brew more. Another brewer offered to do brew sessions with me, so I will brew later this week/next Aug 25 21:17:57 Zorkman, that'd be just great Aug 25 21:17:58 :) Aug 25 21:18:13 plus exporting it would likely cost a lot Aug 25 21:18:24 Make FIC pay for it :P Aug 25 21:18:26 Infoport: when you're ever in Europe, let me know, maybe you can bring a sample :) Aug 25 21:18:45 I'll bring you a freerunner :P Aug 25 21:18:56 and some women Aug 25 21:19:07 hehe, american women? :p Aug 25 21:19:13 true Dave-- I have been brewing from kits, and it doesn't cost a lot less but it is better. When you go all-grain, it gets cheaper, but takes more equipment Aug 25 21:19:14 bring me a FR and a sony digital reader ;-) Aug 25 21:19:17 ZOrkman, nope Aug 25 21:19:23 Nederlanders :P Aug 25 21:19:27 \o/ Aug 25 21:19:30 "hollandse hoeren"? Aug 25 21:19:35 lollerse Aug 25 21:19:36 no! Aug 25 21:19:38 :P Aug 25 21:19:39 hoeren? whores? Aug 25 21:19:47 good guess Aug 25 21:19:49 yeah, dutch whores Aug 25 21:19:56 hey, they're hot, right? Aug 25 21:20:05 Dave, im german so i can understand written dutch quite a bit Aug 25 21:20:06 But nah :) Aug 25 21:20:10 yep Aug 25 21:20:15 and the other way around >:) Aug 25 21:20:25 all your nouns are belong to us! Aug 25 21:20:25 phrozen77: it was not really difficult to guess though ;) Aug 25 21:20:26 ha ha ha ha Aug 25 21:20:33 in related news - was macht denn das ganze stroh hier? Aug 25 21:20:39 Dave, you know that vid? Aug 25 21:20:52 it's "warum liegt denn hier stroh" Aug 25 21:20:56 ^^ Aug 25 21:21:25 Dave, Zorkman, well I might bring a sample for you, but I would be embarassed to put my beers up against Belgian and German beers on tap. Aug 25 21:22:03 nah, since I will know you brewed it yourself I'm sure i'll like it, homemade stuff always tastes special :) Aug 25 21:22:14 Infoport, well, I'm not german, so you have nothing to worry about. Aug 25 21:22:25 In other news, I see you on the tango friends map! Aug 25 21:22:32 So I'm going to come stalk you soon :P Aug 25 21:22:35 Dave, http://www.myvideo.de/watch/273800/Warum_liegt_hier_ueberhaupt_stroh Aug 25 21:22:36 :D Aug 25 21:22:39 watch it Aug 25 21:23:23 loller.de Aug 25 21:23:29 flash #@!@#! Aug 25 21:23:32 watched it? Aug 25 21:23:34 haha yeah, fuck that Aug 25 21:23:39 germany, home of all the nasty pr0n in the world Aug 25 21:23:39 lollerdeutschen Aug 25 21:23:43 apparently Aug 25 21:23:45 ~_~ Aug 25 21:23:46 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 25 21:23:50 WAT Aug 25 21:23:53 apt: YOU SUCK Aug 25 21:23:54 and very well I might add Aug 25 21:23:58 ;D Aug 25 21:23:58 LOL Aug 25 21:24:00 * Dave pets apt Aug 25 21:24:10 good bot >:) Aug 25 21:24:39 that is another advantage of the Brewers Guild (club) -- at the monthly meetings there is a 5gal keg or two, and then many other brewers bring several bottles to share around. We have about 75 members, half regularly show up, and 16 of us have ~50 hops plants with budding cones in a co-op Aug 25 21:24:49 You have a GUILD now!? Aug 25 21:24:56 ooh la la Aug 25 21:25:28 it's a game! Aug 25 21:25:36 he has a guild and he plays co-op :) Aug 25 21:26:32 There are a few shops in ghent that i know that also sell stuff to brew your own beer Aug 25 21:26:45 uggh Aug 25 21:26:47 Dave, :D yeah, although it isnt commercial so more like a club. We enter events, share advice, share beer, help find equipment cheaply... there was an historic battle nearby, and there are roads named Battleground, parks, etc, so we are Battleground Brewers Guid (some people are out of the main city, so didnt use that name) Aug 25 21:26:50 but it's mostly pre-mixed stuff Aug 25 21:27:01 Massive Multiplayer Online Beer Brewing Game? Aug 25 21:27:12 infoport, sounds hot and kinky Aug 25 21:27:17 and highly alcoholic :P Aug 25 21:27:29 oh and infoport, that's what you get for living in the south :p Aug 25 21:27:47 or the middle of nowhere, your pick :) Aug 25 21:27:55 Dave: when are you going hunting for lazy lulu? Aug 25 21:28:02 screw them Aug 25 21:28:14 I already explained my opinions on that subject earlier today. Aug 25 21:28:27 we have a good homebrew shop that sells both kits and grains, and keeps liquid yeast vials in a fridge after receiving chilled two-day shipment. Also get 5gal soda-kegs, which clean easily to be beer kegs Aug 25 21:28:42 Infoport, yalls be hillbillies Aug 25 21:28:46 ;p Aug 25 21:29:19 Dave some around here, but my friend who got me brewing is a chemist, and so is the homebrew shop owner Aug 25 21:29:43 I live in one of them thar BIG citiesd Aug 25 21:29:57 can you get shot in your city infoport? Aug 25 21:30:02 I think you mean alchemist :P Aug 25 21:30:10 infoport, I'm surprised you're not into guns... Aug 25 21:30:11 and does your town has better nigga's then Dave's town? Aug 25 21:30:14 or maybe you're into that too Aug 25 21:30:22 Zorkman, highly unlikely Aug 25 21:30:26 BEER-GUNS! Aug 25 21:30:27 i can't lock the device under fso-testing ; is it normal issue ? Aug 25 21:30:29 Zorkman you can get shot in ANY city, but around here only in neighborhoods I've never heard of Aug 25 21:30:35 For we be big pimpin' up in NYC /o/ Aug 25 21:31:00 like Crackton, Bumsville, or Whoretopia? Aug 25 21:31:16 we're more boring.. although people, are learning, we finally have some gans fighting eachother in our capital... progress!! Aug 25 21:31:29 Dave I like target shooting with handguns, but as a vegetarian I don't hunt (no pickup truck, no gun rack) Aug 25 21:31:30 haha, cough Aug 25 21:31:33 Whoretopia, that is a good name for a FR OS Aug 25 21:31:38 heehee, okay :) Aug 25 21:31:41 haha Aug 25 21:31:45 Better than Qtopia, that's for sure Aug 25 21:31:53 in which the Q most likely stands for Queer Aug 25 21:31:56 just ask Leinir Aug 25 21:32:00 :P Aug 25 21:32:12 Anyhoo, I'm out. Time to ride >:) Aug 25 21:32:20 http://www.borza.ro/index.php/2008/08/11/video-openmoko-neo-freerunner-does-motion-gestures-and-screen-orientation/ Aug 25 21:32:30 screen orientation - great Aug 25 21:32:35 I drive VWs only-- have a Karmann Ghia, a Beetle, a 181 (French MP "Thing") and a07 Eos, wife drives a Passat Aug 25 21:32:43 * Dave hops in his roflcopter and lollerflies over to drop lmaobombs on lazy lulu Aug 25 21:33:04 infoport: kinky Aug 25 21:33:15 heheh gogo Dave Aug 25 21:33:37 couldnt find what the best Belgian car was around here ;) Aug 25 21:33:50 hehe, we have no cars, we're all amish! Aug 25 21:34:10 we detest technologie, therefore we buy freerunners, that is safe because they don't work Aug 25 21:35:11 lol Aug 25 21:35:12 hehehe Zorkman Aug 25 21:35:13 Dave: OK, I was just curious how you were tracking people on tango :-) No one every shows up near me... maybe I just need to connect to gprs and climb back out to level 4 or something Aug 25 21:36:54 wurp2|working: that is because you're in the middle of the fricking ocean! :) Aug 25 21:37:01 although it seemls quite crowded there Aug 25 21:37:51 Zorkman: well, I'm there until I get a fix Aug 25 21:38:03 But I don't ever see anyone near Dallas/Fort Worth, either Aug 25 21:38:22 Maybe I just don't have friends display turned on or something Aug 25 21:38:50 I was amused the first time I zoomed down to level 15 at 0,0 Aug 25 21:39:06 Daenyth: did you find something for the cairo problem? Aug 25 21:39:28 Daenyth: or how could i help to solve the problem? Aug 25 21:40:56 wurp2|working: I'm in DFW, but not publishing my gps coords. Aug 25 21:41:26 I would have expected more americans on the map... Aug 25 21:41:34 Yeah, I knew I had talked to a couple of people with neos in DFW Aug 25 21:41:42 if you compare it with germany for example... Aug 25 21:49:57 white_gecko: haven't been able to fix it Aug 25 21:52:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf51306fe8610 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade u-boot to the latest stable version Aug 25 21:52:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra7c82111b7e4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add navit to the feed Aug 25 21:52:34 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * raa30bc4409db 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.115.bb: libgpewidget: depend in libxinerama. Parallel builds fail due to debian renaming Aug 25 21:52:35 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra5528f9e2458 10/packages/libgpewidget/ (4 files): libgpewidget: sanitize metadata order a bit and add RRECOMMENDS on gpe-icons Aug 25 21:52:38 openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0e1944dfb25f 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.117 Aug 25 21:52:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0c1237647434 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build 0.117 of 0.115 of libgpewidget to fix segfault at crash Aug 25 21:52:44 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7a6e17f13165 10/packages/espeak/espeak_1.35.bb: [espeak] Add portaudio-v19 to the depends so linking is working Aug 25 21:52:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r602667b985ea 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [tasks-openmoko-asu] Split out connman and gtk+ to save for gta01 Aug 25 21:52:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra2f34ffc71a8 10/packages/tasks/ (4 files): [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH so it has an effect Aug 25 21:52:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf17808591dd2 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks] Remove ALLOW_EMPTY=1 as task.bbclass is already setting that Aug 25 21:52:58 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4735db9cfd15 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: hal: create volatiles *after* creating the haldaemon user Aug 25 21:53:01 openmoko: 03dp 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1ac52e53492c 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [python-setuptools] import a fix from OE which means we now have Aug 25 21:53:06 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra35dc9af9a89 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-config_svn.bb: [illume-config] Fix a bug in illume-config when do alternative Aug 25 21:53:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2d1aac02b6bb 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Remove the evbug removal as it was removed upstream too Aug 25 21:53:14 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r57143c44cd2a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the linux kernel to the latest stable version Aug 25 21:53:19 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb86bdb48442a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to the latest stable kernel (hardware ecc preparations) Aug 25 21:53:22 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc2f5aff5b6fd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to see if #1766 (No Network) is fixed Aug 25 21:53:25 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4130aeb4b492 10/ (21 files in 10 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable Aug 25 21:55:39 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rbb6756bd737e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround. Aug 25 21:55:40 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r16b206b78bec 10/ (97 files in 5 dirs): move all of e17/efl to svn from cvs. Aug 25 21:55:41 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r51220f203674 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower. Aug 25 22:01:03 Good night! Aug 25 22:04:17 ok I've got to wrestle a Windoze computer to update so I can install printer driver so I can print pizza coupon before going to bar (don't EVER buy a Lexmark printer, no matter how cheap a price!!) Aug 25 22:04:35 * ike yawns. Aug 25 22:04:50 * ShellEvil passes Infoport some tracing paper, and blu-tak to attach it to screen. Aug 25 22:06:08 doh! wish I'd thought of tracing paper first-- it doesn't need virus update (nor Carbon Genuine Advantage, nor paper drivers) Aug 25 22:16:57 Daenyth: ok, so i'll waint until somebody else fixes it Aug 25 22:20:29 is there a way to make a backup of my current configuration or better the whole freerunner, bacause i want to try 2008.8 Aug 25 22:20:43 whats with all the stuff cia-48 posted? Aug 25 22:21:50 i will boot from sd Aug 25 22:30:46 white_gecko: read the backup section here :http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 25 22:31:06 or do u mean flash rom? Aug 25 22:38:02 hells yeah Aug 25 22:40:50 viruses Aug 25 22:40:52 retraciles Aug 25 22:41:00 bewholed! Aug 25 22:44:10 Can one manually edit their addressbook/SIM card? Aug 25 22:45:31 Dave: stfu Aug 25 22:46:04 * Dave throws capsules at Cvirus, Dr-mario style Aug 25 22:47:34 :-D Aug 25 22:47:47 arcnet! Aug 25 22:50:55 also wondering in 2007.2 if there is a way to alter the ring volume to vibrate only? Aug 25 22:51:10 probably Aug 25 22:51:46 look for a little more specific pointer :) Aug 25 22:52:01 hehe :P Aug 25 22:52:09 looking rather Aug 25 22:53:41 Sorry, I'm not sure :) Aug 25 22:54:06 But it's probably some setting/configuration/code having to do with the dialer program, I'd think, maybe not Aug 25 22:54:16 I wouldn't know, I'm not too into the phone as an actual phone :) Aug 25 23:08:38 * SpeedEvil ponders changing the topic to 'What - you want it to work as an actual phone? hahahha." Aug 25 23:11:50 * mwester notes that the beginning of the topic is cut off with XChat, so it reads "IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK..." here Aug 25 23:17:25 its 2008.8 an wait i guess Aug 25 23:18:09 i dont wamma mess with qtopia Aug 26 00:23:21 jeebus, the included browsers suck Aug 26 00:23:31 minimo needs to be thrown into the repo Aug 26 00:36:44 does anyone know if the wall usb charger is supposed to be working? Aug 26 00:36:51 it sure is Aug 26 00:37:03 hmm.. what am i missing Aug 26 00:37:12 comp usb works like a champ Aug 26 00:37:37 rupekin: in general yes, but u-boot has some problems with it. Should work fine if you plug it in after you've booted to Linux Aug 26 00:38:05 okay so if I check in proc I should see it charging? Aug 26 00:38:12 even though led red is off Aug 26 00:38:14 apm even Aug 26 00:38:40 what uboot are u guys running? Aug 26 00:38:45 LED is controlled by userspace. Look in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073 and /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat for the real info Aug 26 00:39:32 will look at it further.. tx Aug 26 00:39:43 e.g. in that first directory "cat charger_type" and "cat usb_curlim" should say something about 1000mA charger Aug 26 00:57:03 ery& Aug 26 01:38:09 wow Aug 26 01:38:16 I REALLY don't like qtopia compared to 2007.2 Aug 26 01:39:03 Trolltech qtopia or Om2008.8? Aug 26 01:39:09 trolltech Aug 26 01:39:17 I thought 2008.8 wasn't usable yet Aug 26 01:42:35 whats wrong wiht comparing Qtopia to '2007.2'? Aug 26 01:48:17 openmoko: 03roh * r4609 10/developers/roh/ (. CHY48R_test.py): - first working hack to get data from this DVM Aug 26 02:48:18 Anyone know where I can get a Freerunner from or when they will be available again ... I'm in Austlalia fwiw. Aug 26 02:50:12 rwhitby-tokyo, in tokyo, eh? (he asks intelligently) Aug 26 02:52:13 lol, that's a fun bug. Plug FR into wall charger, unplug, connect to a 100mA USB port. "usb_curlim" stays at 1A. Aug 26 02:54:57 openmoko: 03werner * r4610 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/scope.py: (log message trimmed) Aug 26 02:54:57 openmoko: Support for full waveform retrieval with DS1000CD. This allows decoding of Aug 26 02:54:57 openmoko: SPI (and SD) sequences of up to about 50kbits. Aug 26 02:54:57 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (scale_125): improved tolerance against rounding errors Aug 26 02:54:57 openmoko: - lib/scope.py: added full-depth retrieval for analog and digital waves Aug 26 02:55:00 openmoko: - lib/scope.py: give credit to rew's Rigol interface program Aug 26 02:55:02 openmoko: - lib/scope.py: send parameters of horizontal system only in non-exponential **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 26 02:59:57 2008