**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 26 02:59:57 2008 Aug 26 03:05:46 mang wataload from opkg on 2008.8 Aug 26 03:06:25 crapload kernel modules Aug 26 03:07:37 Upgrading kernel-module-serpent on root from 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to 2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01... Aug 26 03:10:57 it downloaded a load of neo1973 stuff --i wonder if thats a problem Aug 26 03:19:32 it apears that the 2008.8 downladed an upgraded alot of stuff Aug 26 03:49:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r46c79a398b8c 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme Aug 26 03:49:08 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re9defc1dd96c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Aug 26 03:49:09 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0b8407073d02 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget Aug 26 03:49:10 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r92bb877811ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested). Aug 26 03:59:28 -_- Aug 26 04:08:05 Hi, will using tangogps on ASU it looks really weird like the theme is not ok... Aug 26 04:08:16 does ASU supports gtk themes ? Aug 26 04:09:41 iormz, There have been posts about that on the community mail list, including some which had example themes which made tangogps look good in ASU." Aug 26 04:09:52 * rooly sighs Aug 26 04:09:59 i like om2008 i really do Aug 26 04:10:03 but it's just not fast enough Aug 26 04:10:25 raster: who's job is it to port all the python apps to c? Aug 26 04:12:50 rooly: ? Aug 26 04:12:58 i sure did ask you Aug 26 04:13:17 and are you referring to "you do it rooly." Aug 26 04:13:24 cause if you are, then goddamit... Aug 26 04:13:25 accordsing to om that will not happen Aug 26 04:13:31 that's gross Aug 26 04:13:33 everythnig you see myst be driven by python Aug 26 04:13:41 why!? it's so slow! Aug 26 04:13:48 sean has dedreed that every single pixel is to be python controlled Aug 26 04:13:59 no if's or buts or compromises Aug 26 04:14:09 don't look at me Aug 26 04:14:13 well, what if the community writes it as c? Aug 26 04:14:25 * rooly might be looking to take on a gsoc project Aug 26 04:14:29 then you can make all your own packages and own firmware images Aug 26 04:14:35 or hell, i'll present it to my uni Aug 26 04:14:41 it wont go into the default Aug 26 04:14:56 as that is not desired and it goes against om's goals of everything being python Aug 26 04:15:03 * rooly sighs Aug 26 04:15:08 why python... Aug 26 04:15:23 ask sean Aug 26 04:15:25 why not, say, lua Aug 26 04:15:30 or ruby Aug 26 04:15:32 or java Aug 26 04:15:34 since he's never used python Aug 26 04:15:44 orly Aug 26 04:15:45 or writes stuff for it - i assume he has some amazing reason Aug 26 04:15:48 actually Aug 26 04:16:04 it's because "Designers all know python and will use it to make amazing designs for the phone" Aug 26 04:16:05 i think the only reason is so that the end user could change the code on the fly Aug 26 04:16:08 or something close to that Aug 26 04:16:18 oh, nvm then Aug 26 04:16:35 it's nothing to do with a good technical decision Aug 26 04:16:48 so that's why the gtk interface failed Aug 26 04:16:53 because it was too fast Aug 26 04:17:06 hahaha Aug 26 04:17:10 boots in half the time Aug 26 04:17:12 no joke Aug 26 04:17:40 i wonder if it can be update to use the gsmget daemon Aug 26 04:17:55 gsmget is justa slave process for e's gsm gadget Aug 26 04:17:59 its not a daemon Aug 26 04:18:03 raster: hi Aug 26 04:18:03 orly Aug 26 04:18:11 charlie137: morning Aug 26 04:18:12 :) Aug 26 04:18:19 oh wait Aug 26 04:18:22 afternoon for you Aug 26 04:18:23 :) Aug 26 04:18:23 * rooly is downloading medieval Aug 26 04:18:27 raster: yep Aug 26 04:18:42 raster: i using etk right now Aug 26 04:18:54 * rooly goes get psx since it's so much better than this junk he's usring right now... Aug 26 04:19:04 raster: is there a good tutorial somewhere ? Aug 26 04:19:18 rooly: python is om's strategy. that is what sean wants. i disagree that python is going to solve all the worlds problems - but he wants it. take it up with him Aug 26 04:19:52 i understand you're not the decision maker here. so i'll just complain at you, not to you Aug 26 04:20:02 charlie137: not really - but examples - several. otherwise i just read the .h files. then again... most of etk stuff is in c. if you're using it from python al lyou have are the examples the bindings come with Aug 26 04:20:22 ro i'm barely even workign for om anymore. in less than a week i'm not employed there. Aug 26 04:20:30 so again - don't ask me :) Aug 26 04:20:30 but the python bidding is quite close to the c api i guess Aug 26 04:20:33 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4611 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: apply patch from LeRoutier for trac ticket #1839 (Erin Yueh) Aug 26 04:20:36 so even c code is useful Aug 26 04:21:08 raster: glups, just when i need your help ! Aug 26 04:21:11 ch actually it can vary a lot - the evas and edje ones miss many c api calls. i know the etk bindings miss many c etk calls so you often end up in a corner where you can't do anythign (but in c you can) Aug 26 04:22:51 raster: ok then just a question : Aug 26 04:23:16 when I use VBox and HBox, how do I request the size of the children ? Aug 26 04:23:41 charlie137: sorry about that - but if you have issues with it - take them up with sean. it's his company and i can't stay at it as he wants it. Aug 26 04:23:54 charlie137: children request their own size Aug 26 04:23:58 i think their minimum size Aug 26 04:24:33 you can request a size i think Aug 26 04:24:40 etk_widget_size_request_set() Aug 26 04:24:50 etk_widget_size_request() Aug 26 04:24:52 raster: your tasks are done with om ? Aug 26 04:25:00 that's why you're leaving ? Aug 26 04:25:44 charlie137: remember.. i didnt write etk - so i go look at the .h files to find this out :) Aug 26 04:25:51 or read the c code :) Aug 26 04:25:59 raster: ok... Aug 26 04:26:12 * rooly snickers Aug 26 04:26:13 raster: I like digging c code Aug 26 04:26:14 i wrote evas/edje/eet/ etc. Aug 26 04:26:17 raster doesn't like python Aug 26 04:26:20 the things below etkl Aug 26 04:26:33 rooly: thats not my primary reason for leaving Aug 26 04:26:38 CVirus: no. Aug 26 04:26:39 i woudl HOPE not Aug 26 04:26:43 i have several Aug 26 04:26:50 i get along great with mickey Aug 26 04:26:52 raster: can you state any ? Aug 26 04:26:52 he likes python Aug 26 04:26:55 we agree to disagree Aug 26 04:26:59 and we both meet in the middle Aug 26 04:27:03 python has a place Aug 26 04:27:07 for rapid development of apps Aug 26 04:27:12 and small simple apps/toys Aug 26 04:27:18 for major core apps i thnk its bad Aug 26 04:27:38 what's the qtopia written in Aug 26 04:27:45 C++ Aug 26 04:27:58 then is it just slow because of illem and elightenment? Aug 26 04:28:02 *illume Aug 26 04:28:13 join #python Aug 26 04:28:15 or is it just written slow Aug 26 04:28:27 rooly: ask raster .. he wrote them :-) Aug 26 04:28:40 well raster? Aug 26 04:28:47 why are the phone apps slow as well? Aug 26 04:29:21 i mean, i'm no overclocking junkie, but i don't like waiting on things THAT much Aug 26 04:29:31 CVirus: promises made and broken, agreements dishonored, om changed from the place i was asked to join entirely by the time i actually turned up, being insulted, unreliability, micro-management of technical details from people entirely devoid of technical knowledge, disconnect between what om really is and the communities image of it etc... Aug 26 04:29:31 raster: Where do you "personally" see this project going ? Aug 26 04:29:46 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ref100b6f74a5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging Aug 26 04:30:33 meh, that's usually the problem with these kinds of projects Aug 26 04:30:39 (look at the xo olpc) Aug 26 04:30:49 rooly: 1. qt used by qtopia poreted back to x11 is very inefficient Aug 26 04:30:53 so qtopia apps are generally slow Aug 26 04:31:01 no it microsucks Aug 26 04:31:04 ic Aug 26 04:31:06 2. no prelink used so big c++ apps take a while to resovle symbols Aug 26 04:31:19 right Aug 26 04:31:32 3. illume/e really have no effect on the speed. ask people who use FSO (whihc also uses illume+e) Aug 26 04:31:45 good to know Aug 26 04:31:47 as such efl apps start really fast Aug 26 04:31:49 < 1 sec Aug 26 04:31:56 true Aug 26 04:32:00 gtk apps take almost double that Aug 26 04:32:12 python stuff can be longer (regardless of toolkit) Aug 26 04:32:13 so dont just get mad an leave Aug 26 04:32:26 slaxxin: he has the right Aug 26 04:33:02 so guys Aug 26 04:33:12 slaxxin: dude - not a matter of getting mad. if someone promises you X - you then join a company, then they do not provide X - and avoid it, then finally when pressed admit they never intended to give X - do you staty? can you trust such a place? Aug 26 04:33:13 who's up for a port of the python apps to c Aug 26 04:33:39 i wont go into details Aug 26 04:33:56 raster: Where do you "personally" see this project going ? Aug 26 04:33:57 he was told he'd have hookers, and there were no hookers! Aug 26 04:34:02 LOL Aug 26 04:34:20 and a geisha just won't cut it Aug 26 04:34:24 damned sex ninjas... Aug 26 04:34:27 rooly: and where was the beer volcano ? Aug 26 04:34:37 i drank it, i'm afraid Aug 26 04:34:42 oops Aug 26 04:34:46 "it got lost in the mail"\ Aug 26 04:35:50 ANYwho Aug 26 04:35:54 lets party Aug 26 04:35:59 give raster a farewell party Aug 26 04:36:03 i'll buy the hookers Aug 26 04:36:10 beyond that - but i was assured and promised of a few things about om. i joined on those assurances and conditions - whihc i have in writing. those were not lived up to - not as a mistake, but as a "i dont intend to honor that agreement" or "i intend to make excuses about not honoring it until you go away and stop bothering me". if you can't trust the company - why stay there? not going to make any further agreements on anythnig unless t Aug 26 04:36:11 he primary original agreements are lived up to. Aug 26 04:36:42 and its not trivial stuff like "but you said you'd buy me lunch" Aug 26 04:36:46 its core important stuff Aug 26 04:37:04 you wanted lobsters? not just a tuna salad Aug 26 04:37:13 (i'm just having fun, not insulting ya) Aug 26 04:37:16 consider it the same level of importance as if someoen agrees to pay you $80,000/year but they end up paying you $40,000 and just make excuses for the rest Aug 26 04:37:20 its that level of importance Aug 26 04:37:27 nothnig to do with the project or products Aug 26 04:37:44 just like always Aug 26 04:37:49 foss projects can't have a leader Aug 26 04:38:00 they die Aug 26 04:38:17 CVirus: "this project" meaning what exactly? Aug 26 04:38:31 OM as a hardware and framework Aug 26 04:38:40 wait Aug 26 04:38:47 you really need to divide om up Aug 26 04:38:49 framework Aug 26 04:38:53 a distribution and hardware Aug 26 04:38:58 they are separate thnigs Aug 26 04:39:30 true Aug 26 04:39:43 distribution wise ? Aug 26 04:39:58 om as a distro is just a version of OE Aug 26 04:40:08 so really - its OE for the OM hardware Aug 26 04:40:17 so as such - that can continue with or without OM. Aug 26 04:40:27 (the company or hardware) Aug 26 04:40:38 so i see OM (distro) and OE as the same thing really Aug 26 04:40:47 as for framework - that depends on OM Aug 26 04:40:55 Om has flip-flopped about doing infra Aug 26 04:41:08 from supporitng it to just "lets do a new piece of software for every product" Aug 26 04:41:11 and back and forth Aug 26 04:41:14 as for hardware Aug 26 04:41:27 OM really needs to stop kidding itself on hardware and quality and improve Aug 26 04:41:36 if it does - there is a future. Aug 26 04:41:43 but given current hardware issues Aug 26 04:41:52 the FR is still a prototype phone i'd say Aug 26 04:42:03 * rooly agrees Aug 26 04:42:13 * CVirus agrees too Aug 26 04:43:02 * CVirus is frustrated Aug 26 04:43:05 style-wise it's unique Aug 26 04:43:10 but not that stylish Aug 26 04:43:17 it needs to have a design that works Aug 26 04:43:20 if u want a finger-based us Aug 26 04:43:22 err Aug 26 04:43:23 ui Aug 26 04:43:38 then use a capacitive ts, dont indent your screen inside a bezel Aug 26 04:43:46 raster: don't you have any secret plans of starting a similar company ;-) ? Aug 26 04:44:08 the hardware in terms of "specS" is well behind modern competitors for the price range (speed, capacity etc.) Aug 26 04:44:12 its checkbox list isnt bad Aug 26 04:44:24 with wifi, bt, vga screen, etc. Aug 26 04:44:52 * rooly is always so happy when he goes back to om2007 Aug 26 04:45:07 but without 3g, and with the fairly slow cpu, glamo and slow flash/sdio, usb1 - it's got limited appeal to those who want something more up to date Aug 26 04:45:33 CVirus: dunno. doing hardware is expensive - and frankly i can't do it all Aug 26 04:45:51 and i dont have a wallet full of cash to go fund it Aug 26 04:46:01 well, do software Aug 26 04:46:44 hmm, I didn't know it had competitors really. Aug 26 04:47:31 raster: find a sponsor ? Aug 26 04:47:36 funder ? Aug 26 04:47:38 whatever that is called Aug 26 04:48:11 venture capitalist? Aug 26 04:48:23 the community is full of developers that can get together Aug 26 04:48:31 move along together Aug 26 04:49:20 undrwater: find a vc who isnt a vulture - who actually can be hands-off and trust the bsuiness/tech - and not want your entire arm and leg too.. sure. Aug 26 04:49:20 :) Aug 26 04:49:48 CVirus: thats the problem. it'd be possible - but u'd need a hefty sum of $. if you know people with that $ floating about... Aug 26 04:49:51 :) Aug 26 04:50:03 raster: had my tongue in my cheek...but if i find santa claus...i'll send him your way ;) Aug 26 04:50:13 *sigh* It's always the wrong people with all the money :P Aug 26 04:50:14 hahyahah Aug 26 04:50:20 haha Aug 26 04:51:14 at least Sean doesn't like java like those google folks :-p Aug 26 04:53:00 hahahahha Aug 26 04:53:19 CVirus: in many ways its just the same Aug 26 04:53:26 s/java/python/g Aug 26 04:53:26 ie Aug 26 04:53:31 buzzword Aug 26 04:53:40 i like to think of a balanced view Aug 26 04:53:46 everything has its place Aug 26 04:53:54 reality will be a heterogeneous environment Aug 26 04:54:01 meh...i've been arguing for days now with a kid that java is slow...not as slow as python, but still slow Aug 26 04:54:09 some things c, some c++, some java, some python etc. Aug 26 04:54:29 reality will end up there if you dont want to alienate a lot of people and force them into 1 box Aug 26 04:56:05 i do think that the phone as a platfomr - and ultimately an open platform is going to catch on Aug 26 04:56:10 it already has interest in many circles Aug 26 04:56:15 om is just the first off the block Aug 26 04:56:22 there will be others who do mostly open Aug 26 04:56:36 ie - they might have to settle for closed binary-only opengl drivers for example Aug 26 04:56:46 but can do normal 2d and pretty much everything else open Aug 26 04:56:58 wifi may be a problem too Aug 26 04:56:59 but most stuff can be open Aug 26 04:57:03 and mayeb a 98% open phone might work Aug 26 04:57:16 dont want closed? then remove the gl libs (for example) Aug 26 04:57:24 as long as the core ui can work without gl... Aug 26 04:57:39 and i'd say making it require gl would be silly Aug 26 04:58:48 anywho Aug 26 04:58:50 it's my bedtime Aug 26 04:58:52 nn everyone Aug 26 04:59:02 raster: sorry to interrupt Aug 26 04:59:05 nite! Aug 26 04:59:06 raster: the directory http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/etk/ is empty Aug 26 04:59:08 ch no probds Aug 26 04:59:31 charlie137: Yeah, noticed that with the other docs too Aug 26 04:59:33 raster: still, every time i google "etk something" i have link to this Aug 26 04:59:43 ch casualty in our svn move Aug 26 04:59:45 :( Aug 26 05:00:24 ch seriously.. i wouldnt rely so much on docs Aug 26 05:00:29 .h files are always what i use Aug 26 05:00:36 Hehe Aug 26 05:01:22 hmm Aug 26 05:01:26 etk docs are good actually Aug 26 05:01:31 wow Aug 26 05:01:45 charlie137: do u have the src? Aug 26 05:01:54 (svn checkout of the e tree) ? Aug 26 05:02:40 if you do Aug 26 05:02:43 go into the etk dir Aug 26 05:02:45 ./gendoc Aug 26 05:02:46 bingo Aug 26 05:02:48 in docs/ Aug 26 05:02:54 u'll have manpages, html, latex etc. docs Aug 26 05:03:20 you just need doxygen installed Aug 26 05:03:24 its pretty eash Aug 26 05:03:26 easy Aug 26 05:04:29 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e Aug 26 05:04:37 cd e/trunk/etk Aug 26 05:04:47 ./gendoc Aug 26 05:05:37 firefox ./doc/html/index.html Aug 26 05:05:39 :) Aug 26 05:05:46 u dont need internet anymore Aug 26 05:11:09 I have qtopia working - big advance for me. Aug 26 05:16:36 how far can you zoom locations? Aug 26 05:30:18 oooh wow... Aug 26 05:30:41 ? Aug 26 05:30:45 maybe... - just maybe.... i have spotted a chip that could be a glamo replacement... :) Aug 26 05:30:49 oh well... a bit late now Aug 26 05:31:17 ;] Aug 26 05:31:37 raster: link? Aug 26 05:32:39 no links Aug 26 05:32:41 got it in email Aug 26 05:32:59 no idea if i can say anything about it currently Aug 26 05:32:59 :) Aug 26 05:33:17 manufacter/partnumber? ;] Aug 26 05:33:33 just going into first production runs Aug 26 05:33:37 so... nothing to say yet Aug 26 05:33:38 :) Aug 26 05:34:07 need more info Aug 26 05:37:26 raster, designer? Aug 26 05:37:41 not entirely sure Aug 26 05:37:48 looks like a startup Aug 26 05:37:54 but they want to have open drivers Aug 26 05:38:11 and are targetting x11(kkdrive) ad their aim Aug 26 05:38:22 tho they want to target subnotebook (atom) not cellhpone first Aug 26 05:38:27 but could target phones... Aug 26 05:38:28 anyway Aug 26 05:38:34 will find out Aug 26 05:38:36 its interesting Aug 26 05:42:12 Erm.. How can you get the internet working on the Debian install? It doesn't even come with iwconfig. o_O Aug 26 05:46:43 Infinyte: you install iwconfig Aug 26 05:50:11 Infinyte: boot into working os, get internet working, copy /etc/resolv.conf to your debian partition, chroot, install iwconfig and whatever you need Aug 26 05:53:38 Ahhh Aug 26 05:53:41 Danke Aug 26 05:53:42 :> Aug 26 06:03:33 hi Aug 26 06:10:50 raster: thanks Aug 26 06:14:46 ch works? Aug 26 06:14:49 charlie137: works? Aug 26 06:15:26 raster: still downloading.... (i went out and saw your message just 5 minutes ago) Aug 26 06:16:04 aaah Aug 26 06:34:37 Erg.. I keep getting No Route to Hose error when tryin' to ssh into my Neo. Aug 26 06:37:15 so, raster, what will you be doing now? Aug 26 06:37:41 Infinyte, tried this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Simple_Manual_Linux_Configuration Aug 26 06:38:13 Yeah. :\ Aug 26 06:39:01 Infinyte, if you do ifconfig on your desktop/laptop, does usb0 have 192.168.0.200 address? Aug 26 06:39:48 erl_: taking a break Aug 26 06:39:48 :) Aug 26 06:40:09 Good question, just a sec. Mah Neo is rebootin'. Aug 26 06:42:23 Kay Aug 26 06:42:24 Hmm Aug 26 06:42:27 Yes, it does. Aug 26 06:44:43 Infinyte, and can you ping 192.168.0.202? Aug 26 06:45:33 No. Buncha "Destination Host Unreachable"'s. Aug 26 06:49:27 Infinyte, in what ip range are your other network devices, like eth0 or something? Aug 26 06:50:15 eth0 Is 192.168.1.137 Aug 26 06:51:09 Erm, hmm. I suppose it might have something to do with my recolve.conf file, before this happened I had added the configuration for wlan at the bottom. Per the Debian instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#WLAN Aug 26 06:51:38 Infinyte, you are running Debian? Aug 26 06:51:39 did anyone try plug fr in xp ? Aug 26 06:51:55 Aye, and it WAS working a bit ago. :\ Aug 26 06:52:33 Infinyte, sadly i am no network guru, and i haved tried debian on the freerunner yet. Aug 26 06:52:57 Can you check what ip address the freerunner has on the device itself? Aug 26 06:52:58 Infinyte: you may have this right...but it is /etc/resolv.conf Aug 26 06:53:22 Right, unfortunatly I have no way to access that. Cause I can't seem to access the terminal in the Debian OS. Aug 26 06:53:28 :\ Aug 26 06:53:37 no usb? Aug 26 06:53:54 No, I keep getting No route to host. Aug 26 06:55:02 Hmm, I might actually be able to access Debians folder through QTopia, considering they're all on the SD card in FAT format. Aug 26 06:55:06 dmesg shows no cdc_ether? Aug 26 06:55:18 I'll try that and see if I can fix the resolve.conf Aug 26 06:58:36 morning Aug 26 07:01:25 Hmm Aug 26 07:01:27 Interesting. Aug 26 07:02:13 Guess I'll have to reinstall Debian. Aug 26 07:09:01 i have a question regarding alsa scenarios , i need to know which file is exactly loaded when Aug 26 07:18:19 good morning Aug 26 07:50:47 bricode :( Aug 26 08:04:17 Is there a way to connect my bluetooth keyboard to 2008.08? hidd isn a recognized command :S Aug 26 08:31:29 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4612 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/mokojournal/moko-journal.c: apply the patch from LeRoutier for trac ticket #1840 (Erin Yueh) Aug 26 10:09:56 um... Aug 26 10:10:14 Someone knows where you can change settings in the current daily build? Aug 26 10:30:53 openmoko: 03tick * rdbd50b81c36e 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphone/qsmsmessage.cpp: [SMS] decode semi-octet strings with ALPHANUMBER correct Aug 26 11:01:28 i'm trying to import my contacts onto my freerunner. I tried the scriptn from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts but they don't work. Some dbus methods seem to be unavailable. Aug 26 11:05:14 i think that only worked with the August distro Aug 26 11:06:24 FLOOD!!!!!! Aug 26 11:06:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r171cde32d765 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): webkit gtk: bump SRCREV Aug 26 11:06:57 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c30438e8cfe 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: nfs-utils : Fix support for util-linux-ng. See bug #4459. Aug 26 11:06:58 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8ae5019128b 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/defconfig-collie: linux-rp: add jffs as buildin for collie Aug 26 11:07:00 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r25772e621ebb 10/ (46 files in 8 dirs): files: add some stuff to device_table_add-mmc.txt and rename it to Aug 26 11:07:02 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c68ca4adad1 10/ (47 files in 9 dirs): merge of '406c90b8a818c97f925962469fd82f2ed13008f4' Aug 26 11:07:05 openmoko: 03andrea.adami 07org.openmoko.dev * r23cfbe114de3 10/packages/nandlogical/ (4 files in 2 dirs): nandlogical: initial release. closes 4470. Aug 26 11:07:08 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d40a3cd79b8 10/site/ (mips-linux mipsel-linux): add glib-2.0 entries to mips[-el]-linux. closes bug #2185 Aug 26 11:07:13 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r020c4c33acfa 10/site/ (mips-linux mipsel-linux): merge of '3d37ffd4df7a43763fa8642112a238989e1e85ae' Aug 26 11:07:16 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd2ac1db88766 10/packages/strace/ (strace/mips-sigcontext.patch strace_4.5.14.bb): strace 4.5.14 fix compiling for mips[-el]. closes bug #2221 Aug 26 11:07:21 openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * r7122a127c349 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: kernel.bbclass: use KERNEL_OUTPUT where possible Aug 26 11:07:24 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa4a35aa3b93 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: merge of '0c6c5626491aa3d427ad2222eaa182e53154da9e' Aug 26 11:07:27 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd677d5b35d91 10/packages/kexecboot/ (initramfs-kexecboot_1.0.bb initramfs_kexecboot_1.0.bb): kexecboot: fix build of initramfs-kexecboot-image Aug 26 11:07:30 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * re1462ace7496 10/packages/kexecboot/ (initramfs-kexecboot_1.0.bb initramfs_kexecboot_1.0.bb): merge of '4d50db658eb49ec921eb903f0d6f18de6e4b5dd8' Aug 26 11:07:37 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r4242e283b98b 10/packages/nandlogical/nandlogical_1.0.0.bb: nandlogical: set COMPATIBLE_MACHINE to c7x0 for now until somebody compiles an authoritative list. Aug 26 11:07:46 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r907e0ab071b5 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): merge of '434c9b83795714321c5e83703daa92ea144962c8' Aug 26 11:07:49 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec8bb29cc2fc 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: bump SRCREV for arm Aug 26 11:07:52 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * re5fa8612cf9b 10/packages/glibc/ (glibc.inc glibc_2.6.1.bb): glibc: use ARM instruction set always - it is not buildable with Thumb - close #1708 Aug 26 11:07:55 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r05cc4e72402b 10/packages/gsoap/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gsoap-native: unbreak build - close #2373 Aug 26 11:08:00 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rddb8a2c643cf 10/packages/dgen/ (dgen-sdl-1.23/fix-configure-and-make.patch dgen-sdl_1.23.bb): dgen-sdl 1.23 fix build. closes #1255 Aug 26 11:08:03 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4309d91dd7f2 10/ (13 files in 8 dirs): merge of '5fce36059a59f5f0270baf7f4ddbb9cb496ea312' Aug 26 11:08:14 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rab62a33347dc 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV Aug 26 11:08:17 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d3a3a3ea121 10/packages/neuros-pkggen/ (files/package.c neuros-pkggen-native.bb): neuros-pkggen: sync with neuros git Aug 26 11:08:18 My free runner is slow :) scrolling take a while to scroll , etc etc , is this normal ? Aug 26 11:08:20 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4280e1edc0a 10/packages/neuros-public/ (6 files): neuros public: update nwm, mainmenu and lib-widgets, add skeleton for photoalbum, vplayer and lib-gui Aug 26 11:08:23 That's nice :-) Aug 26 11:08:25 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4efc6b0d6ed 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc-davinci: bump SRCREV Aug 26 11:08:28 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d2a8a82f3cb 10/packages/fontconfig/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fontconfig: added 2.6.0 from Poky - should close #2951 Aug 26 11:08:31 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r474f86aa8e3b 10/packages/fontconfig/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge of '474680366447a4dab2f989364e5d93df82ff5054' Aug 26 11:08:40 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r28f09655d69d 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: merge of 'b7175a8d7fdb02e01e375f3df1f6ab39e8ef01ed' Aug 26 11:08:43 openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc2ee24d89e7 10/packages/opensync/libopensync-0.36/ (build-in-src.patch cmake.patch no-python-check.patch): libopensync: added missing patches for 0.36 Aug 26 11:08:50 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd85f3c2c5fca 10/packages/kexecboot/ (5 files in 2 dirs): kexecboot-initramfs: wait some seconds before startup Aug 26 11:08:53 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r50c2f11edbfc 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: merge of '3d8fcb3e38b76cf853ceee12d6cd8f1d518b546b' Aug 26 11:08:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf2525b1f6a6 10/packages/libusb/ (12 files in 5 dirs): libusb1: update to 0.9.2 for bugfixes and update the compatlayer to beta2 also for bugfixes Aug 26 11:09:03 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2986e2bd9a6d 10/packages/ (8 files in 4 dirs): merge of '1ebb8320b743c004de3edbcfb17ea43a7cfbe6b2' Aug 26 11:09:06 openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd83e8b19089e 10/packages/ (42 files in 22 dirs): merge of '59560bb699e5c53442482270321f0392e8772228' Aug 26 11:09:15 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r076e8b2fe412 10/ (packages/rrdtool/rrdtool_1.0.49.bb site/common): rrdtool: generalize test for IEEE math into site/common. Thanks, koen, for pointing this out. Aug 26 11:09:17 Zoup: 2007.2? it's got a lot better in ASU Aug 26 11:09:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r301a454f77d2 10/packages/qmake/qmake2-sdk_2.10a.bb: qmake-sdk: update to 4.4.1 Aug 26 11:09:20 Oh my! Aug 26 11:09:21 (72 lines omitted) Aug 26 11:09:23 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * ra212160e7711 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build Aug 26 11:09:30 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3b1dec3a438 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: Updated linux-openmoko rev to match XorA's change in OM repo Aug 26 11:09:33 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6c1c0a79855 10/conf/distro/ (2 files in 2 dirs): angstrom 2008: prefer a newer glib and gtk+ Aug 26 11:09:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rba85c0215053 10/conf/machine/beagleboard.conf: beagleboard: switch to using xorg Aug 26 11:09:43 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r71ad63a9301c 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: task-base: bump PR Aug 26 11:09:46 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r29fac407cf7f 10/packages/linux/ (linux-neuros/neuros-osd2/defconfig linux-neuros_git.bb): linux-neuros git: enable oprofile Aug 26 11:09:49 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8137f57885ef 10/ (conf/machine/beagleboard.conf packages/tasks/task-base.bb): merge of '5a2fb2965a905224af0a1e26d73f342ecf8944e8' Aug 26 11:09:54 How long will it be flooding? :-) Aug 26 11:09:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfb6ed1d29e9 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV for more fb fixes Aug 26 11:09:59 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6df121261897 10/packages/alsa/ (4 files): alsa-*: update to 1.0.17 Aug 26 11:10:06 XorA: how did you know? Aug 26 11:10:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b33bde42131 10/packages/x-load/x-load_git.bb: x-load: bump SRCREV to get NAND boot working when there's no MMC inserted Aug 26 11:10:13 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r30bf862a42e3 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot git: bump SRCREV for beagleboard for i2c fixes Aug 26 11:10:14 Wonka: Magic Aug 26 11:10:15 ? Aug 26 11:10:16 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2cea9cc64a8d 10/contrib/source-checker/oe-source-checker.py: oe-source-checker.py: use regular oe_sha256sum since OE doesn't build its own version anymore Aug 26 11:10:23 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r40688706e7e4 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: merge in checksums from 4 angstrom buildhosts and poky Aug 26 11:10:26 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec692580dfb8 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.inc: openzaurus pxa 2.4.18: update SRC_URI to point to oz.org, the ezaurus URL seems to be corrupt Aug 26 11:10:27 ike: ah, sufficiently advanced technology Aug 26 11:10:31 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rad98740431ba 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: autotools.bbclass: check if pkgconfig dir exists before trying to copy out pkgconfig files Aug 26 11:10:32 ;-)) Aug 26 11:10:36 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0944a0c906e7 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: merge of '26ec78f4f59453ecd4343ab4c92d4787ab5a81fe' Aug 26 11:10:39 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r40552fbe6422 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '453683170be608ea537c8e9133e9808544d8ac3c' Aug 26 11:10:44 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e4b744670b8 10/packages/oprofile/ (5 files in 2 dirs): oprofile 0.9.3: Fixed armv7a patch to actually distribute armv7 event files. Aug 26 11:10:47 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8395f3c0fefb 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3 Aug 26 11:10:51 or we can blame him for being responsible for it Aug 26 11:10:52 openmoko: 03stefan 07org.openmoko.dev * rf5eeb4b683ad 10/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb: illume-theme-freesmartphone: Build theme from source. Aug 26 11:10:55 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f9810e34a9b 10/packages/x-load/x-load_git.bb: x-load: bump SRCREV and PV Aug 26 11:11:00 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf55a9b83dbb 10/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb: merge of '9e9036263aa2cf4c53293c1bd44b54810ab8834f' Aug 26 11:11:05 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r076e7509fa3b 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV to get GPTIMER irq fix Aug 26 11:11:08 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c1150228363 10/packages/qt4/qt_staging.inc: qt4 staging: add a || true to the cp Aug 26 11:11:11 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c57de15fa5d 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot: fix bump SRCREV for neuros-osd2 to fix HDCP handshake Aug 26 11:11:16 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c98007062fc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs : update linux-openmoko Aug 26 11:11:19 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r07267c2b9fd4 10/packages/dsplink/ (codec-engine_2.10.bb dsplink.inc ti-paths.inc): dsplink, codec-engine: put common paths in a .inc file so more recipes can share them Aug 26 11:11:22 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc70a45bb729f 10/packages/vala/ (vala-native_0.3.4.bb vala_0.3.4.bb): vala(-native): add 0.3.4 Aug 26 11:11:27 merge of DOOM? Aug 26 11:11:28 Gods, that's some commit spam Aug 26 11:11:29 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r53f0cf59e882 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: om-gtao1: use += for image types Aug 26 11:11:32 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0d9cbce19b32 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko.inc: sync with openmoko so package upgrade doesn't &*$(*@$(@ erase my kernel partition again Aug 26 11:11:35 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r8121a3274b13 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-davinci : Add patch to solve strange serial console behavior. Aug 26 11:11:44 SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM Aug 26 11:11:44 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0cc2fd24c57 10/ (189 files in 70 dirs): merge of '05dd48c35e7fc8bd8ec725a975682953f4e2eb8b' Aug 26 11:11:45 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda961bc1614c 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '003d5589c32126d84385935351087e649339386a' Aug 26 11:11:48 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2b2256d59b5f 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-kdrive-common/Xserver xserver-kdrive-common_0.1.bb): xserver-kdrive-common: fix up GTA0* entries in non-openmoko Xserver script, now we have a working touchscreen again Aug 26 11:11:52 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e4f44bc104a 10/packages/linux/ (linux-openmoko/defconfig-oe linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb): linux-openmoko 2.6.24+git: make bt and sound builtin, stash PR between version and git rev to get something monotonically increasing Aug 26 11:11:56 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r18d7c73dd025 10/packages/bluez/ (bluez-utils/hcid.conf bluez-utils_3.33.bb): bluez-utils: restore device naming behaviour that got lost after removing bluez-utils-3.x from FILESPATH Aug 26 11:12:06 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2eb27e900b7 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: switch from 'arm-neon' to 'arm' branch for arm Aug 26 11:12:09 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec3bc08b42a2 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: add note on how to keep software working Aug 26 11:12:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra480a1ffbcfe 10/packages/gstreamer/gst-ffmpeg_0.10.4.bb: gst-ffmpeg: bump PR, ffmpeg changed SOVERSION Aug 26 11:12:13 bluez? where's my pand? Aug 26 11:12:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc2661af67cf1 10/packages/openmax/libomxil-bellagio_0.9.0.bb: libomxil: bump PR, ffmpeg changed SOVERSION Aug 26 11:12:18 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd114752989fa 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): netbase: remove resolv.conf hack from om-gta0* that keeps overwriting working resolv.conf files with broken ones Aug 26 11:12:21 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc73a2ec2c53f 10/packages/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.41.bb: resolvconf: add 1.41 Aug 26 11:12:34 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re709fa19b346 10/conf/machine/adzs-bf548-ezlite.conf: adzs-bf548-ezlite: adjust serial console setting Aug 26 11:12:37 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c0000e7793d 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.1.2 for blackfin Aug 26 11:12:40 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8900e965d24c 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: fix typo Aug 26 11:12:43 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r95ff00f12cf3 10/packages/curl/ (6 files): curl 7.18.0 update to 7.18.2 Aug 26 11:12:43 erased kernel partition? i'd be happy if my microsdhc partition table would not be erased every now and then Aug 26 11:12:46 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb104477b6c50 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: update curl and pycurl Aug 26 11:12:49 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3945301bac5 10/classes/distutils.bbclass: distutils.bbclass: allow specifying arguments to the build command Aug 26 11:13:04 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb558e709976e 10/packages/python/ (4 files in 2 dirs): python-pycurl 7.16.4 update to 7.18.2; use dynamic linking Aug 26 11:13:07 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r82f66e04322e 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-edje cvs add debian patch fixing unicode conversion Aug 26 11:13:10 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r26a769aa6feb 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python 2.5.2 include low level _bsddb module in python-bsd and DEPENDS += db Aug 26 11:13:13 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r95c6a60d087a 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship alsa-utils-amixer Aug 26 11:13:16 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r91bea741c18d 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: bump SRCREV Aug 26 11:13:21 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc6a47b6e6123 10/packages/ffmpeg/omapfbplay_git.bb: omapfbplay: bump PR Aug 26 11:13:32 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r38e02712ca99 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update to latest git, add Pauls latest serial hang patch set Aug 26 11:13:35 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * red991ece35ae 10/packages/mythtv/gmyth_0.7.1.bb: gmyth: add 0.7.1 Aug 26 11:13:38 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf2749d3abecf 10/packages/totem/totem-pl-parser_2.23.3.bb: totem-pl-parser: add 2.23.3 Aug 26 11:13:41 (127 lines omitted) Aug 26 11:13:43 openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * r36930e8580ef 10/packages/directfb/fusionsound_1.0.0.bb: fusionsound: drop old version 1.0.0 Aug 26 11:13:46 openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3a8212f74f5 10/packages/directfb/fusionsound_1.0.0.bb: merge of '5a1eeba70ddedb225afa7bcf6a948e3d1e376069' Aug 26 11:13:53 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e35f637d26e 10/packages/python/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-pygame 1.7.1 update to 1.8.1 and stage headers Aug 26 11:14:02 Wonka: coz I typed git-push :-) Aug 26 11:14:06 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r67d34719c112 10/packages/gettext/gettext_0.17.bb: gettext: fix --enable-nls stuff Aug 26 11:14:09 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r2117b4dc67f6 10/packages/ (9 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'c05229a8c5246cada336c3cfe5a3417367366836' Aug 26 11:14:12 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r11d45979b471 10/packages/gettext/gettext_0.17.bb: merge of '355866fda3e7098f7d30f22852c4e3ad5145126b' Aug 26 11:14:15 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4f05d48dbfb 10/packages/sugar/ (.mtn2git_empty sugar-toolkit_0.82.1.bb): sugar toolkit: add 0.82.1 Aug 26 11:14:20 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2c098bacbd1 10/packages/sugar/sugar_0.82.0.bb: sugar: add 0.82.0 Aug 26 11:14:23 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0d4c2f0dec6 10/packages/gstreamer/ (gst-ffmpeg/autotools.patch gst-ffmpeg_0.10.2.bb): gst-ffmpeg: fix building with libtool2 and above Aug 26 11:14:32 XorA: ah. like the guy with the pulled plug. Aug 26 11:14:34 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ce01f67628d 10/packages/openjade/ (openjade-native_1.3.2.bb openjade_1.3.2.bb): openjade 1.3.2: Fix messing up compiler arguments. Aug 26 11:14:37 openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * rab1a03af9c0f 10/packages/proxy-libintl/ (4 files in 2 dirs): proxy-libintl: From #4370, dummy replacement for gettext. Aug 26 11:14:40 openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8be5d24b623 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: Add libltdl DEPENDS. Aug 26 11:14:45 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8221b3fbb96 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga_svn.bb: openmoko-icon-theme: exlclude from world build because it DEPENDS on librsvg-native which is not in OE. Aug 26 11:14:49 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r765d091baba8 10/packages/midpath/ (3 files): midpath: depend on qte-mt instead of the non-existant qt-mt Aug 26 11:15:02 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r02e6605ef677 10/packages/flumotion/flumotion_0.4.1.bb: flumotion: depend on python-twisted instead of the non-existant "twisted" Aug 26 11:15:05 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r612be4c3aa0b 10/packages/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge of '5a27dc2251870d3b0fba8216aa90a9b93350f68e' Aug 26 11:15:08 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b33ae17aea0 10/packages/dbus-java/ (dbus-java_2.3.bb dbus-java_2.4.bb dbus-java_2.5.bb): dbus-java 2.3: Fix compilation with jamvm-native. Aug 26 11:15:13 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rf70e5b8c6b62 10/packages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge of 'a17b5ac6bf09c1cfe29c784e2b1497684e1832ca' Aug 26 11:15:16 openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r64728a8c321d 10/packages/cacao/cacaoh-cldc-native_0.98.bb: cacaoh-cldc-native: Remove unneeded dependencies and configure arguments. Aug 26 11:15:25 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rc9f72f50b2ca 10/packages/ (10 files in 6 dirs): merge of '43c09a2a2c1a6b190622823b1298024c62058416' Aug 26 11:15:28 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3d01c32b234 10/packages/python/python-pygame_1.8.1.bb: python-pygame: Fix typo in SRC_URI Aug 26 11:15:31 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rf3a1e4a73bd7 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: openmoko.conf: Define PREFERRED_PROVIDER_qte, even though it's not used, just to shut bitbake up. Aug 26 11:15:38 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * r5378fcfad466 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Fix some versions that don't exist - set them to the versions that currently build. Aug 26 11:15:42 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * re4c45c07f9d6 10/packages/ (19 files in 10 dirs): merge of '903b9a5eb1d39b78da1e187836b7e48392af7847' Aug 26 11:15:49 (101 lines omitted) Aug 26 11:15:51 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r498252bd0155 10/packages/sphyrna/sphyrna-python_svn.bb: sphyrna: generalize FILES_sphyrna-python definition Aug 26 11:15:54 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r77a2eed2d9f5 10/packages/images/e-image.bb: e-image: fix spelling mistake and comment out non-existant task. Closes 2752. Aug 26 11:15:57 openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r5850d4dbbfa1 10/packages/ (13 files in 4 dirs): This adds a package name alias virtual-libc-dev for libc-dev(uclibc) Aug 26 11:16:04 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r5da7b1e2201c 10/packages/images/e-image.bb: merge of '09677f41336b5e88788fbe514da56769201c3f97' Aug 26 11:16:07 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r6fbdeb6ae7af 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_0.92.bb: gpe-calendar: add 0.92 Aug 26 11:16:10 openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8db9b5e44361 10/packages/libqpe/ (libqpe-opie/argv.patch libqpe-opie_cvs.bb): libqpe: fix argv double varname in qpeapplication.h Aug 26 11:16:19 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rc091af02374a 10/packages/gpe-contacts/gpe-contacts_0.49.bb: gpe-contacts: add 0.49 Aug 26 11:16:22 openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c2cd407280b 10/packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.95.bb: gpe-login: add 0.95 Aug 26 11:16:25 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r99461b6dd26f 10/packages/libqpe/ (libqpe-opie/argv.patch libqpe-opie_cvs.bb): merge of '62f049c7930cc7dcd9a1736a717fff802998ca78' Aug 26 11:16:31 whoa Aug 26 11:16:32 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rfebe3222ad2d 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (5 files): kdepimpi: add $PN to PACKAGES definition Aug 26 11:16:35 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rc992dc975259 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (5 files): merge of '10e6bf1f992b208b919b4fc707871e1e1ae7e91e' Aug 26 11:16:38 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r277be86f05ce 10/packages/librcf/librcf_0.4.bb: librcf: add $PN to PACKAGES Aug 26 11:16:45 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r8da7497be011 10/packages/librcf/librcf_0.4.bb: merge of '481cda07f650eec08e83f5f63d522be2fbcb6ff1' Aug 26 11:16:48 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r375d4d02b2be 10/packages/mozilla/firefox-3.0.1/mozconfig: firefox: use O2 instead of O1 Aug 26 11:16:51 openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f472e9e3e45 10/packages/elfkickers/elfkickers_2.0a.bb: elfkickers: add $PN to PACKAGES Aug 26 11:16:55 Now we know all bugs. Aug 26 11:16:56 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r03b12c909ae7 10/packages/mozilla/firefox-3.0.1/mozconfig: merge of '21f8954c91db09af224e09720b99300cf59e6c65' Aug 26 11:16:58 Isn't it awesome? Aug 26 11:16:59 openmoko: 03polyonymous 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfc98fdca47b 10/packages/opie-reader/opie-reader.inc: opie-reader: add flite directory to include path so that it at least builds Aug 26 11:17:02 openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * recf68b2b16b9 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/ (6 files): linux-rp-2.6.26: Build DM9601 USB ethernet adapter module. Aug 26 11:17:09 openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * rba89797d8681 10/packages/gcc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Enable e300c2 and c3 support for gcc 4.3.1 Aug 26 11:17:12 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e936ad3947d 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: bump SRCREV Aug 26 11:17:15 openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * r71ff86bf84c4 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg.inc ffmpeg_0.4.9-pre1.bb): packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_0.4.9-pre1.bb : Disable mmx for x86 Aug 26 11:17:20 openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * refbab8f5e31e 10/packages/synergy/ (3 files in 2 dirs): synergy : Add patch (from gentoo) to compile synergy with gcc 4.3. Aug 26 11:17:23 openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c9da0d63c7d 10/packages/xorg-font/ (font-util_1.0.1.bb xfonts-xorg_6.8.bb xorg-font-common.inc): xorg-fonts: set package arch to all for fonts Aug 26 11:17:26 openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r948865d115a1 10/packages/xorg-font/ (font-util_1.0.1.bb xfonts-xorg_6.8.bb xorg-font-common.inc): merge of '1a4455548bddc38a21bde1cbdcb1d0fc7f25b9cc' Aug 26 11:17:31 (37 lines omitted) Aug 26 11:18:26 Is it over? Aug 26 11:18:41 Are we therey yet? Aug 26 11:20:47 hm. todays batch Aug 26 11:21:21 finished Aug 26 11:22:53 I think CIA gave up reporting actually :-D Aug 26 11:23:16 wow it gave up 37 lines ;] Aug 26 11:23:37 * Kamping_Kaiser notes that calendarserver doesnt get reported on the site at all Aug 26 11:23:48 hello Aug 26 11:24:08 there is no keyboard when i enter a password-field Aug 26 11:24:14 in 2007 and 2008 Aug 26 11:24:55 is it a known bug? Aug 26 11:25:41 white_gecko: that's not a bug Aug 26 11:25:50 is it a feature? Aug 26 11:25:50 that's openmoko's design Aug 26 11:25:53 :-S Aug 26 11:25:53 yep Aug 26 11:26:07 but how can i enter a password without a keyboard? Aug 26 11:26:09 the application has to request a keyboard Aug 26 11:26:24 you are unable to call it easily manually Aug 26 11:26:37 now i install the ilume thing Aug 26 11:26:38 all gtk+/qtopia/E apps should automatically ask for keyboard Aug 26 11:26:58 but why does a password field not aks for a keyboard? Aug 26 11:28:25 is it an app that is included with the distribution Aug 26 11:28:43 i have removed illume config icon by mistake , how can i recover that ? Aug 26 11:29:03 if not the app does not use the feature Aug 26 11:29:13 Zoup: rm -r ~/.e/ Aug 26 11:29:27 it was in 2007 in pidgin Aug 26 11:29:32 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 26 11:29:58 and in 2008 when i installed the set-root-password thing Aug 26 11:30:13 white_gecko: yeah pidgin doesn't use the om commands Aug 26 11:30:31 aha Aug 26 11:30:38 and the set-root-password thing uses old calls while there are new ones for 2008.8 Aug 26 11:31:30 just a guess though Aug 26 11:31:35 aha Aug 26 11:31:51 how can i make a "opkg upgrade" with 2008? Aug 26 11:32:14 i get the error that i have not administrative access Aug 26 11:32:24 i think because of the grafical installer Aug 26 11:37:08 white_gecko: killall packagekitd Aug 26 11:39:00 is this nice? Aug 26 11:39:23 ah yes an other thing with kill and so Aug 26 11:39:36 how do i quit a programm in 2008? Aug 26 11:39:48 there is only the "remove" button Aug 26 11:40:01 but it sounds to me like "kill -9" Aug 26 11:42:20 For EMI-Noise see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/noise_stopped_by_cut_pin4/ for a rework actually stopping noise Aug 26 11:43:02 this is NO OFFICIAL REWORK recommendation (yet) Aug 26 11:47:52 cool Aug 26 11:48:15 but what was the function of pin4? Aug 26 11:53:58 * torindel would prefer just cutting that pin with knife or something as you dont have to desolder whole jack connector and you can solder it back awhole if you need pin4 later again Aug 26 11:54:27 (less risk to damage your phone) Aug 26 11:55:32 pin4 is headset mic plus hold-button Aug 26 11:56:20 this is step 1 of a rework to keep this function. We're not done yet. That's why it's not official yet Aug 26 12:07:21 but is the hold button and the mic also on an other pin? Aug 26 12:09:00 white_gecko: nope Aug 26 12:10:45 hm Aug 26 12:11:31 but i think you will get it all working :-) Aug 26 12:12:44 white_gecko: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/noise_stopped_by_athena_rework/ - though this is fragile and doesn't fit into case Aug 26 12:12:59 white_gecko: we try to find a mix of both Aug 26 12:13:49 Oh weird, there's an odt in that directory Aug 26 12:15:51 i did removed illume configuration icon by mistake , now i am unable to access configuration menu , how can i recover ( i have tried reinstalling , uninstalling and removing all config files ) Aug 26 12:18:05 DocScrutinizer: cool, will my shop make the rework as warenty Aug 26 12:38:26 hmm, android with a limited bluetooth stack? Aug 26 12:43:23 morning Aug 26 12:43:56 Dave ! Aug 26 12:44:41 white_gecko: dunno... Aug 26 12:45:07 Joerg! Aug 26 12:45:14 Good morning Tokyo! Aug 26 12:45:19 llol Aug 26 12:45:24 :) Aug 26 12:45:25 Ohayo Aug 26 12:45:29 Gazaimasu Aug 26 12:45:34 heh Aug 26 12:45:36 Dave: seen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise ? Aug 26 12:45:41 No! :o Aug 26 12:45:46 Did you make a fix!? :D Aug 26 12:46:03 The mighty joerg battles the interference!? Aug 26 12:46:11 updates? what? where? Shit still does not work! Aug 26 12:46:12 yup :-D Aug 26 12:46:22 :D Aug 26 12:46:24 how can you get wifi working on 2008 Aug 26 12:47:55 hi there. i have 2 problems: 1. i can boot the kernel only once then i need to disconenct and reconnect power to load it again. 2. i only can do exactly one call after it i only can receive calls with om2008. any ideas? Aug 26 12:48:17 Torikun, you can't, 2008 is a bug. Aug 26 12:48:22 ah Aug 26 12:50:14 :) Aug 26 12:50:21 Anyhoo Aug 26 12:53:04 lots of updates this morning Aug 26 13:03:50 Oh, is there now? Aug 26 13:04:32 yup lol Aug 26 13:05:12 We shall see. Aug 26 13:06:40 pfft, you call that an update? :P Aug 26 13:06:45 feh Aug 26 13:08:24 * hipitihop waves hello to all Aug 26 13:09:33 XorA, did the om/oe merge occur ? Aug 26 13:14:40 ??? Joerg fixed the interference?? Aug 26 13:15:13 DocScrutinizer: will this be possible for us mere mortals? Aug 26 13:16:08 Zorkman: not completely. and no, it's a very difficult rework only feasible with good skills for SMT and the right tools Aug 26 13:16:26 ok, thanks for the info DocScrutinizer Aug 26 13:17:34 I hope you have some aces up your sleeve to provide something feasable for us :) Aug 26 13:17:42 Zorkman: but I will continue to try and improve on this interim work ;-) This is just to keep you informed, as clearly stated in my message Aug 26 13:17:44 Not all things are possible. Aug 26 13:18:02 DocScrutinizer: I/We really appreciate this Aug 26 13:18:10 It's possible that a better fix may be worked out. Aug 26 13:18:14 what is the name of libglade-2 / libglade2 ? Aug 26 13:18:28 DocScrutinizer: Any objections if I post this to the mailinglist? I think a lot of people will be happy to see this still gets much attention Aug 26 13:18:47 opkg install libglade-2 doesn't work for me an 2008.8 Aug 26 13:18:56 I already did. It's stuck somewhere, takes another few minutes Aug 26 13:18:58 It's already posted to the hardware mailing list - that a solution is sought Aug 26 13:19:25 ShellEvil: I know that, and you know that, bot how many people read that list? Aug 26 13:19:28 We found it's pin4 of JK4401 and only this pin that causes GSM-EMI-noise Aug 26 13:19:29 issue. Aug 26 13:19:29 ... Aug 26 13:19:36 from jeorg Aug 26 13:19:50 white_gecko: tried Aug 26 13:19:50 libglade-2.0 Aug 26 13:20:00 any idea why i only can boot once then i need to take out the battery and insert it again otherweise he's stuck at "Starting kernel ..."? Aug 26 13:20:05 anyway you may post a pointer to [hardware] ml on any list you like. But I won't care, and I won't update other lists Aug 26 13:20:09 (when in doubt white_gecko do an opkg list |grep *whatyourarelookingfor* Aug 26 13:20:27 ok Aug 26 13:20:47 ok Aug 26 13:20:57 See: Aug 26 13:21:03 Re: GSM-noise "buzz" issue Aug 26 13:21:07 Von: Aug 26 13:21:11 Joerg Reisenweber Aug 26 13:21:11 An: Aug 26 13:21:11 hardware@lists.openmoko.org, Steven Mosher , Michael Shiloh , Wolfgang Spraul Aug 26 13:21:11 Datum: Aug 26 13:21:11 2008-08-26 14:22 Aug 26 13:21:12 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html Aug 26 13:21:19 :-D Aug 26 13:21:49 (already found it :) I hadn't read the hw list today yet) Aug 26 13:31:57 For a few days now my fso-testing zhone does not register. It used to. Is there a cli I can use to test status and if necessary nudge it ? Aug 26 13:32:59 http://www.e28.com/solution_6_spec.asp Aug 26 13:36:08 weird, very little info on that phone on the net.. Aug 26 13:37:39 hipitihop: well, you have the whole dbus interface to your disposal Aug 26 13:39:07 mickeyl, I was hoping something a; little higher level. It's on the list to come up to speed with though Aug 26 13:39:18 Does anyone have any opinions on this phone? Aug 26 13:39:18 http://www.e28.com/solution_6.asp Aug 26 13:40:01 hmm Aug 26 13:40:05 higher level in how far? Aug 26 13:40:11 the dbus API is pretty high level IMO Aug 26 13:40:23 the dbus API seems great, btw mickeyl Aug 26 13:40:30 if you use it from Python or shell you don't need any wrappers or what Aug 26 13:40:40 I was excited when I first saw the plans for it, and I'm happy seeing it in implementation Aug 26 13:40:42 jadams: thanks. took me a while to figure the proper abstractions out Aug 26 13:42:00 mickeyl, yeah...once I get the phone working to the point that I feel confident I can take it with me, I intend to write some ruby apps that interact with dbus (I know Python's the blessed language) Aug 26 13:42:03 Is milestone 3 looking at end of next week? Aug 26 13:42:31 ShellEvil: There are no milestones on this phone. ;ol Aug 26 13:42:46 We are almost on Slump3 Aug 26 13:42:48 mickeyl, sorry I was not aware one could interact from cli .. python also on the list, sorry Smalltalk dev here ;-) would love to get the Squeak VM compiled on here but that's a seperate project Aug 26 13:43:20 right Aug 26 13:43:21 HOw is debian on the phone Aug 26 13:43:32 hipitihop: check a couple of examples on the framework status reports Aug 26 13:43:38 you will see that it's _very_ comfortable via dbus Aug 26 13:43:44 you can control almost everything interactively Aug 26 13:43:48 very convenient Aug 26 13:44:04 sounnds nice Aug 26 13:46:11 mickeyl, do you have handi link to the cli api to dbus ? .. looking through wiki in meantime Aug 26 13:46:27 docs.freesmartphone.org Aug 26 13:46:32 but even better is using mdbus Aug 26 13:46:42 using mdbus you can completely introspect the whole API at runtime Aug 26 13:46:57 so you see all signals and methods with their according parameter types Aug 26 13:47:43 neat Aug 26 13:48:11 in http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/ there is still an older verison of tangogps Aug 26 13:48:18 where shouold i report this to? Aug 26 13:48:25 bugreport/mail? Aug 26 13:51:30 Hello! Aug 26 13:52:25 can someone tell me where I can buy a usb genderchanger so that i can use the usb port on the freerunner in host mode? Aug 26 13:52:28 DocScrutinizer :) Aug 26 13:53:05 Dave, Zorkman ! Aug 26 13:53:16 evolux: just google: first result: http://www.sourcingmap.com/usb-female-usb-mini-male-pin-adapter-cable-blue-p-18425.html Aug 26 13:53:18 do you folks know about a car charger for the fr? Aug 26 13:53:23 llo cga`work Aug 26 13:53:29 nope, but any usb car charger should work Aug 26 13:53:40 Zorkman: hm, didn't expect they were so common. thank you ;-) Aug 26 13:53:48 np evolux Aug 26 13:54:23 Zorkman, ok thanks. how about the voltage and amperage? are them all standard? Aug 26 13:54:42 cga`work: yes, usb standard Aug 26 13:54:46 usb dictates 5V Aug 26 13:55:02 cga`work: voltage standard, but some will not be able to provide 1A or 0.5A maybe, that you should check Aug 26 13:55:08 you might have to manually (or auto-programmatically, if you're feeling brave) enable fast charging though Aug 26 13:55:11 edistar, -.- usb is usb... i was talking about electricity Aug 26 13:55:29 cga`work: yes, there are power supply regulations for usb Aug 26 13:55:48 Zorkman, what amperage should i get for fr? Aug 26 13:55:53 hi everyone, i'm trying to install python-math it is listed by opkg list but when i give opkg install python-math it says 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' what can i do? Aug 26 13:55:55 cga`work: you can also make one yourself: http://pinouts.ru/connectors/usb_a_b_male.gif Aug 26 13:56:13 How are you gentlemen Aug 26 13:56:30 Zorkman, not willing too Aug 26 13:56:31 Dave: All your base are belong to us Aug 26 13:56:41 What you say? Aug 26 13:56:42 sorry, i was misspelling it ;P Aug 26 13:56:55 Dave, beware beware... the black shadow of cher! Aug 26 13:59:38 This new update kicks ass Aug 26 13:59:47 looks so polished and nice Aug 26 13:59:54 Torikun, where? what? which? Aug 26 14:00:08 2008-826 Aug 26 14:00:21 gonna try it Aug 26 14:00:37 isn't it +/- the same as 2008-08-update? Aug 26 14:00:49 yes Aug 26 14:00:55 Zorkman: I am just reading the firmware Aug 26 14:01:14 what's better about it than for example the original 2008.8? or the 2008.8-update? Aug 26 14:01:31 XorA|lunch: looks like the iphone more and more Aug 26 14:01:40 Polished interface Aug 26 14:01:45 still looking into it Aug 26 14:01:55 screenshots anywhere? Aug 26 14:02:03 can i buy it? :P Aug 26 14:02:15 Torikun: url? Aug 26 14:02:25 opkg update and opkg upgrade lol Aug 26 14:02:37 Torikun, no extra repos ? Aug 26 14:02:49 nope Aug 26 14:02:53 cool Aug 26 14:03:09 wow Aug 26 14:03:13 this is iphony now! Aug 26 14:03:15 fucking awesome Aug 26 14:03:22 are there rootfs kernel and uboot to download? Aug 26 14:03:42 is illume fixed for categories? Aug 26 14:04:28 the keyboard can be turned on by the aux button Aug 26 14:05:01 That's a feature I like about the Debian setup... Aug 26 14:05:18 this may be debian Aug 26 14:06:50 what? I thought you said it was the 20080826? Aug 26 14:06:55 it says that Aug 26 14:07:07 I did an upgrade this morning and tried to install debian Aug 26 14:07:11 I think debian failed Aug 26 14:07:23 firmware says 20080926 Aug 26 14:07:28 haha Aug 26 14:07:37 torikun, di it boot up with an image of a sun? Aug 26 14:07:46 sthe background Zorkman? Aug 26 14:07:54 desktop Aug 26 14:07:56 Torikun, are there rootfs kernel and uboot to download? are categories showing in illume? thanks Aug 26 14:07:56 yes Aug 26 14:08:11 yup.. todays update even seems to work Aug 26 14:08:13 cool Aug 26 14:08:14 cga`work: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080826/ Aug 26 14:08:20 thanks alot Aug 26 14:08:21 registered to GSM nicely.. Aug 26 14:08:34 text messages not working Aug 26 14:08:35 Torikun: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c9b58868cc42d73a9c17de523ddb5f26.png Aug 26 14:08:42 oh yeah sure.... gms works fine? Aug 26 14:08:54 Zorkman: what is that Aug 26 14:08:58 Torikun: does it resemble that pic? Aug 26 14:08:59 that looks great Aug 26 14:09:00 nope Aug 26 14:09:07 debian? Aug 26 14:09:16 Torikun: that is enlightenment Aug 26 14:09:21 it looks VERY great Aug 26 14:09:22 Zorkman, that's E17 Aug 26 14:09:25 under debian? Aug 26 14:09:28 nope Aug 26 14:09:38 looks like it.. default alsa settings seem to almost OK.. but the buzz in the other end is still there Aug 26 14:09:38 looks awesome Aug 26 14:09:43 Zorkman: that looks like a mess... Aug 26 14:09:47 it happend to me when my original 2008.8 image segfaulted (i boot from sd) Aug 26 14:09:50 but there's nothing softwarewise done there Aug 26 14:09:56 i removed my e-folder and this is what i got: ) Aug 26 14:10:13 (I just thought this might be hat Torikun was talking about) Aug 26 14:10:20 I think my debian install worked Aug 26 14:10:31 because I rebooted to my original image Aug 26 14:10:35 and it s vcrappy again Aug 26 14:10:36 lol Aug 26 14:10:54 I had some weird experiences with E, numptyphysics for example ran much smoother on it than on my 2008.8 or 2007.2 image Aug 26 14:11:12 People should check out debian lol Aug 26 14:11:20 looks like iphone more Aug 26 14:11:27 Torikun: take a few screenshots Aug 26 14:11:29 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 26 14:11:31 how Aug 26 14:11:35 vnc ? Aug 26 14:11:54 gpe-scap Aug 26 14:12:06 I will see how I can do that Aug 26 14:12:09 with one press of a button you can upload it to scap.linixtogo.org Aug 26 14:12:10 phone is booting Aug 26 14:12:23 If you are in SF, you can come see the phoen now Aug 26 14:12:24 lol Aug 26 14:12:31 Is debian already finger-friendly? Aug 26 14:12:40 Yes Aug 26 14:12:47 can not figure out text message yet Aug 26 14:13:04 :) Aug 26 14:13:20 heh Aug 26 14:13:51 cga is crazy. Aug 26 14:13:59 and Italian. Aug 26 14:15:43 Dave, is mad and norsk Aug 26 14:15:52 to try out the daily image, do I just need the openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage ? Aug 26 14:15:53 Bah, nevar! Aug 26 14:15:58 I am neither :D Aug 26 14:16:05 how do you ssh into the debian install Aug 26 14:16:09 but like to be sometimes :) Aug 26 14:16:15 Torikun: same as any other Aug 26 14:16:18 mmmky Aug 26 14:16:40 usb0 not found Aug 26 14:16:41 Can anyone recommend a couple of good games for the FR? Aug 26 14:17:05 Torikun: You'll have to give a lot more detail... Aug 26 14:17:09 numptyphysics.... and that's not even THAT good on the FR because you need to pop-up keyboard to reset... Aug 26 14:17:23 usb0: unknown interface: No such device when trying to SSH in Aug 26 14:17:28 I'm wondering why nobody is working on scummvm to make it better... Aug 26 14:17:47 They're busy playing? ;) Aug 26 14:18:53 Torikun: plug the phone into your usb port again. Aug 26 14:19:00 retracile :) Aug 26 14:19:05 You've come to the right place :) Aug 26 14:19:06 Dave! :) Aug 26 14:19:18 Dave: You have some game recomnendations? Aug 26 14:19:19 Welcome to Dave's Game Haven Aug 26 14:19:23 :p Aug 26 14:19:29 How can I be of assistance? ;) Aug 26 14:19:31 Finally! Dave's going to be useful. ;P Aug 26 14:19:35 Hey! Aug 26 14:19:41 * Dave beats retracile with a freerunner Aug 26 14:19:57 I just installed DOOM and Heretic on it, yesterday :P Aug 26 14:20:20 Suffice it to say it was needlessly complicated though :| Aug 26 14:20:41 dave, you're a tease Aug 26 14:20:47 Dave: any good puzzle-type games? (solitare included in that) Something playable with a stylus... Aug 26 14:21:08 a tease? Aug 26 14:21:08 retracile: monkey island games Aug 26 14:21:14 retracile, strategy? Aug 26 14:21:25 yeah, well, beyond the default OM games? Aug 26 14:21:31 Net is pretty sweet though :p Aug 26 14:21:39 Dave, you serious you have doom and heretic running ? Aug 26 14:21:41 Dave: I don't have the default OM games... I'm running debian. Aug 26 14:21:42 even if you've played it a million times. Aug 26 14:21:50 Hippityhop yep Aug 26 14:22:12 you can't really play it though, with out input, I'm wndering if you can use the joystick driver to do it Aug 26 14:22:25 though I'd rather just connect an HID-compliant USB gamepad Aug 26 14:22:26 :D Aug 26 14:22:36 Dave: make my PS3 controller work with the FR please :) Aug 26 14:22:46 bluetooth preferably Aug 26 14:22:47 zorkman, PS2, I can do! Aug 26 14:22:52 wired Aug 26 14:23:03 I only have PS3 :( Aug 26 14:23:04 I have a Playstation -> USB converter Aug 26 14:23:22 my ps3 controller is usb and bluetooth, so i don't need a convertor Aug 26 14:23:39 So if that could somehow be loaded as a linux input device it could forseeably work for all games? :D Aug 26 14:23:50 so, make it work for bluetooth? Aug 26 14:23:51 Dave: the ps3 can run linux... Aug 26 14:23:53 is it proprietary? Aug 26 14:23:53 a more mundane question, is there a cli restart I can use from an ssh session ? Aug 26 14:24:06 zorkman, more importantly, does it work on pc without any configuration? Aug 26 14:24:08 ~_~ Aug 26 14:24:08 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 26 14:24:20 hipitihop: to restart the phone? Aug 26 14:24:24 Dave: in windows I needed to install some stuff Aug 26 14:24:34 zorkman, fuck windows? :D Aug 26 14:24:36 but since the ps3 can run linux, it just has to work in linux, no? Aug 26 14:24:46 untrue Aug 26 14:24:56 almost nothing WORKS in linux Aug 26 14:24:59 Dave, yes, similar to 'halt' but equivalent to 'shutdown -r now' Aug 26 14:25:00 (as is)/oob Aug 26 14:25:04 hippityhop, of course! Aug 26 14:25:08 init 0 Aug 26 14:25:34 hehe, if i would use the ps3 cotroller, my controller would be bigger than the hardware upon which i play the game :) Aug 26 14:25:38 hippityhop: init 0 or telinit 0 will accomplish what you seek :) Aug 26 14:25:58 zorkman, yeah, that was the only gotcha I saw among this whole setup :p Aug 26 14:26:01 Dave: check out the debian install Aug 26 14:26:07 Dave, I'm asking becaus emy neo is in another room connected via usb and I'm ssh'ed in, so want to make sure it comes back up Aug 26 14:26:18 Torikun, any particular reason why? Aug 26 14:26:22 looks like iphone Aug 26 14:26:25 nice polis Aug 26 14:26:29 and good functionability so far Aug 26 14:26:34 hippityhop, eh? then init 6 (reboot) Aug 26 14:26:42 then try again in five minutes :P Aug 26 14:26:56 Torikun, fugly, weak, and bleh? :D Aug 26 14:27:00 lololo Aug 26 14:27:09 p Aug 26 14:27:29 Torikun, more screenshots to convince us me it's like the iphone Aug 26 14:27:43 I don't WANT an iphone. Aug 26 14:27:51 I think most of us got a freerunner so we WOULDN'T have it. Aug 26 14:28:03 agreed Aug 26 14:28:04 So stop deluding us! Aug 26 14:28:10 lol Aug 26 14:28:18 but i still want to see a screenshot from Torikun Aug 26 14:28:26 i can not login the dam phone Aug 26 14:28:32 so, scap it Aug 26 14:28:52 Torikun, you're software is weak, like ragu! Aug 26 14:29:00 lol Aug 26 14:29:39 I do not understand this because I install debian but the image looks like ASU format Aug 26 14:29:45 and it had the ASU backgound Aug 26 14:29:53 could someone help me with my gsm problem? i can make only one call in om2008 then need to login again to gsm network to be able to make one call again. (calls can be received always) Aug 26 14:29:55 Have you used it before? Aug 26 14:30:00 Are you going insane? Aug 26 14:30:03 Yes Dave Aug 26 14:30:04 lol Aug 26 14:30:11 Did you fuck yourself with a bootloader? Aug 26 14:30:11 I am going crazy Aug 26 14:30:12 lol Aug 26 14:30:25 That has clearly been established, Mister Loller. Aug 26 14:30:26 brain.o needs to be recompiled Aug 26 14:30:40 ./configure --without-lol Aug 26 14:30:41 and now debian does not boot Aug 26 14:30:43 Please. Aug 26 14:30:43 Torikun, have you done "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192" ? Aug 26 14:30:50 Torikun: brain panic: replace user and press any key to continue Aug 26 14:30:52 ;] Aug 26 14:30:54 hipitihop: it was not detected as usb0 yet Aug 26 14:31:09 PANIC! Aug 26 14:31:11 rebooted Aug 26 14:31:33 Torikun: on the phone, bring up the keyboard and hit x; on debian, that'll bring up an xterm window. Aug 26 14:31:36 *Beep* User detected! *Beep* User deleted! Aug 26 14:31:41 "I'm going slightly mad" - Freddie Mercury Aug 26 14:31:53 ah Aug 26 14:31:58 debian doesnot boot now Aug 26 14:32:01 * Dave installs games on retracile Aug 26 14:32:03 gotta try rebooting Aug 26 14:32:35 init 6 Aug 26 14:32:37 ok debian booting now Aug 26 14:32:56 Please reboot yourself, Torikun. Aug 26 14:33:11 Dave , you have to jiggle my handle to make me reboo Aug 26 14:33:12 lol Aug 26 14:33:18 o_O Aug 26 14:33:29 Sorry, try ieatlint, I hear he's into that... Aug 26 14:33:59 fsck! Aug 26 14:35:15 ok I got terminal up Aug 26 14:35:51 ifconfig shows lo only Aug 26 14:36:11 when booting, it said failed to bring up usb0 Aug 26 14:36:32 login through wifi? Aug 26 14:36:42 Dave, that's news to me Aug 26 14:36:43 no devices except lo is found Aug 26 14:36:47 * hipitihop tthinks this is a ploy by Torikun to keep us from the screen shots Aug 26 14:36:53 * Zorkman agrees Aug 26 14:37:12 i want to give you screenshots! Aug 26 14:37:16 but I can not do shit Aug 26 14:37:16 lol Aug 26 14:37:26 ? Aug 26 14:37:29 take a camera (do it Old Skool :)) Aug 26 14:37:30 Torikun: sounds like you may be booting a different kernel than the one the rootfs is expecting. Aug 26 14:37:46 maybe Aug 26 14:38:25 should I run ./install.sh debian apt fso configuration kernel unmount Aug 26 14:38:54 * hipitihop suggests that Torikun puts down the iPhone, and plugs in the freerunner Aug 26 14:39:01 lol Aug 26 14:39:03 lint ;D Aug 26 14:39:18 ./install.sh kernel unmount ? Aug 26 14:39:26 o_O Aug 26 14:39:30 Waht the fuck are you doing? Aug 26 14:39:39 XORA Aug 26 14:39:41 Dave, i've almost got it working... i'm a tad hung up how to handle the key needed to get the xml data Aug 26 14:39:43 Dave: Debian install Aug 26 14:39:53 FUCK Aug 26 14:40:16 * Dave spams the developers with hate-filled bugreports Aug 26 14:40:26 DocScrutinizer, they shall have it! Aug 26 14:41:11 there's something a tad odd about just how the key thing works :P Aug 26 14:41:41 it works in their implementation, but even faking user agent and referrer doesn't get it working outside of their implementation Aug 26 14:42:21 ieatlint, yeah, right? ;p Aug 26 14:42:36 kinky Aug 26 14:42:54 Ieatlint, want some breakfast, man? Aug 26 14:43:56 are you a bit intoxicated perhaps? Aug 26 14:48:19 i already asked some hours ago, but got no response: i'm having trouble importing my address book in vcf format. the script from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts complains that some dbus methods don't exist Aug 26 14:50:37 can't find /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd in 2008.8 , any idea???? Aug 26 14:50:48 i connected my ps3 controller through an usb hub with the FR, how do I check if it is recognised?. Aug 26 14:51:06 Zorkman: lsusb ? Aug 26 14:51:19 lsbbq? Aug 26 14:51:23 lswtf Aug 26 14:51:25 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 054c:0268 Sony Corp. Aug 26 14:51:30 Ieatlint, no. Aug 26 14:51:35 zorkman, woot Aug 26 14:51:38 :) Aug 26 14:51:40 but now you'd need a driver for it :P Aug 26 14:51:44 i know :) Aug 26 14:51:54 zorkman, any activity in dmesg, perhaps? ;p Aug 26 14:52:24 evbug.c: Event. Dev: usb-s3c24xx-2/input0, Type: 3, Code: 1, Value: 129 Aug 26 14:52:32 a lot of those things, with different values and codes Aug 26 14:53:20 Dave; there exist some driver thingies like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis Aug 26 14:53:27 but i'm too noob to make them work for FR :( Aug 26 14:53:37 Zorkman: Does the PS3 controller use usb for data? Aug 26 14:53:43 or charging only.. Aug 26 14:53:45 usb or bluetooth Aug 26 14:54:52 wtf at gsm emi noise Aug 26 14:55:21 Shlee: basic controller works through usb, to get motion-sensin I need bluetooth Aug 26 14:56:00 I'm experimenting with the daily om snapshot ... Is there a configuration sw for the wireless ? Aug 26 14:56:08 Zorkman: lol Aug 26 14:56:13 Dave: what's up? Aug 26 14:56:17 the jstest from debian should work.... Aug 26 14:56:18 and a settings application in general ? Aug 26 14:56:49 Zorkman: first get sure that usb-s3c24xx-2 is your pad thing Aug 26 14:56:57 Hi. I want device with hardware keyboard (digital or qwerty), where I can use shell and with EDGE and may be with 3g. Ara that devices exists? Aug 26 14:57:13 if yes modify xorg.conf and man evdev (x keyboard/mouse driver) Aug 26 14:57:36 odd cuz i don't get any echo / noise Aug 26 14:57:38 torindel: i will need a while to decrypt your hints :) Aug 26 14:58:04 dbmoodb: I get it, well, people on the other side get it and refuse to telephone to me... Aug 26 14:58:05 Zorkman: first get sure that usb-s3c24xx-2/input0 is your pad Aug 26 14:58:15 if not take another look Aug 26 14:58:18 Zorkman: reaaly ? Aug 26 14:58:57 Zorkman: if it is and you got input device you can configure it as any custom mouse/keyboard in xorg.conf with evdev Aug 26 14:59:02 Do people answer to help requests on this channel ? I' ve asked 4 questions so far and I'ven't received not even a RTFM ... Is there an end user help support channel ? Aug 26 14:59:02 Joerg, I am plagued by bugs :( Aug 26 14:59:05 torindel: Aug 26 14:59:05 root@om-gta02:~# dmesg | tail -4 Aug 26 14:59:05 usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 26 14:59:05 input: Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller as /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6 Aug 26 14:59:05 evbug.c: Connected device: "Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller", usb-s3c24xx-2/input0 Aug 26 14:59:05 input: USB HID v1.11 Joystick [Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller] on usb-s3c24xx-2 Aug 26 14:59:13 I may spend the entire morning submitting bugreports! Aug 26 14:59:19 if I can muster the will to do so Aug 26 14:59:22 zorkman :O Aug 26 14:59:25 zomg? Aug 26 14:59:35 buy PARAL! :-D Aug 26 14:59:37 workies!? Aug 26 14:59:41 PARAL/ Aug 26 14:59:42 ? Aug 26 14:59:51 bug-poison Aug 26 14:59:57 ahaha :P Aug 26 15:00:01 Zorkman: ok read man how to setup evdev, googling for ready settings with evdev for that thing would be nice too Aug 26 15:00:13 munga2: shoot -- what is it? Aug 26 15:00:30 I'm experimenting with the daily om snapshot ... Is there a configuration sw for the wireless ? Aug 26 15:00:31 ok, vcf import now worked. the problem was an incorrect dbus environment variable Aug 26 15:00:32 and a settings application in general ? Aug 26 15:00:40 zorkman, is that under debian? Aug 26 15:00:41 dbmoodb: thanks :) Aug 26 15:00:47 Dave: 2007.2 :p Aug 26 15:00:51 Oh snaps! :D Aug 26 15:01:01 Joerg, pesky bugs. They're everywhere! :( Aug 26 15:01:15 I am glad for your interference patch though :] Aug 26 15:01:18 Dave, hah, i was being stupid, it was a cookie :) Aug 26 15:01:21 It will save my nearby electronic devices. Aug 26 15:01:22 i gots it figured out Aug 26 15:01:28 ieatlint, okay good :P Aug 26 15:01:30 sounds like some form of delirium Aug 26 15:01:39 Joerg, essentially. Aug 26 15:01:42 :] Aug 26 15:01:48 Openmoko Inebriation! Aug 26 15:01:56 oh man Aug 26 15:01:57 terrible Aug 26 15:02:11 oh chck the wiki don;t think there is a settings app (working well atm --- check the updates) . sw ? Aug 26 15:02:15 cat ~/projects/openmoko/BUGS | wc -l Aug 26 15:02:15 74 Aug 26 15:02:27 :[ Aug 26 15:02:35 I got a lot of typing to do today ;) Aug 26 15:02:50 Dave: cat /dev/urandom Aug 26 15:03:09 cat dog Aug 26 15:03:10 hah Aug 26 15:03:32 cat /dev/random > program.c can in theory produce a master program Aug 26 15:03:32 trap lint Aug 26 15:03:39 pfft Aug 26 15:03:45 fuck your theory, back to work! Aug 26 15:03:47 :) Aug 26 15:03:57 * Dave bribes ieatlint with some cookies Aug 26 15:04:00 my work is not in fucking theories Aug 26 15:04:21 are they better than JSESSIONID cookies? Aug 26 15:04:23 Would you do it for money, though? :P Aug 26 15:04:35 haha, definietly! Aug 26 15:05:03 dbmoodb: thanks ... Is there a list of all projects/software beeing worked on, on the wiki ? Aug 26 15:05:05 they are chocolate chocolate-chip with macadamia nuts :) Aug 26 15:05:18 projects.openmoko.org? Aug 26 15:05:19 nice Aug 26 15:05:36 Ieatlint, they're pretty fucking huge too Aug 26 15:05:49 torindel: zo I must edit my xorg.conf file? Aug 26 15:06:22 man, snes9x -runs- on the freerunner, but fucks up your display Aug 26 15:06:38 cat /dev/urandom > prog.c & sleep 1 && kill `ps | grep cat | cut -d ' ' -f 1` Aug 26 15:06:40 though for the first time viewer it's pretty cool :p Aug 26 15:07:07 thanks :) I'll try to limit the simple/boring questions for the moment... I just need some time to get the picture... Aug 26 15:07:38 Dear opkg maintainers, ... Aug 26 15:07:54 Aug 26 15:07:55 Thank you for the useable phone Aug 26 15:08:04 Thank you for your cooperation in these matters. Aug 26 15:08:07 Sincerely, Dave. Aug 26 15:08:28 I hope they don't take offense to that :) Aug 26 15:08:50 Dave: what is it doing now? Aug 26 15:09:01 lol Aug 26 15:09:12 llmfao dave so funny he make laugh out of me Aug 26 15:09:18 Tig, eh? Aug 26 15:09:29 Torikun, what happened now? Aug 26 15:09:36 You laughed so hard you suffered brain damage? :P Aug 26 15:09:44 (or so it would appear from your typing) Aug 26 15:09:45 YS dave, so funny u are Aug 26 15:09:45 lol Aug 26 15:09:46 opkg, presumably it has just done something stupid :) Aug 26 15:09:48 :( Aug 26 15:09:49 root@om-gta02:~# sixpair.c Aug 26 15:09:49 sixpair.c: line 1: /3: Permission denied Aug 26 15:09:49 sixpair.c: line 2: %gconf.xml: Permission denied Aug 26 15:09:49 sixpair.c: line 3: %gconf.xml: Permission denied Aug 26 15:09:49 sixpair.c: line 4: playlists/: Permission denied Aug 26 15:09:51 sixpair.c: line 17: syntax error: "(" unexpected Aug 26 15:09:59 ERROR ERROR Aug 26 15:10:02 ABORT ABORT! Aug 26 15:10:15 gconf.xml? o.O Aug 26 15:10:18 playlists? Aug 26 15:10:21 What ARE you doing? Aug 26 15:10:36 Tig, much of opkg IS stupid. Aug 26 15:10:47 i don't know dave, i jsut ran the script... Aug 26 15:10:48 Other than the fact it's an apt clone/ripoff, which is the good part. Aug 26 15:10:54 Where did you get it, Zorkman? Aug 26 15:11:06 thirdparty-drivers.kr? Aug 26 15:11:13 http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html Aug 26 15:11:17 tenyearold-programming.cn? Aug 26 15:11:23 the sixaxis.c seems to be used everywhere... Aug 26 15:11:25 same thing? Aug 26 15:11:29 ;D Aug 26 15:11:33 Zorkman: you probably want to compile that Aug 26 15:11:43 One would think so, right? :P Aug 26 15:11:59 with gcc? Aug 26 15:12:07 One would think so. Aug 26 15:12:12 hence the .c extension Aug 26 15:12:12 Dave: good thing we have actual Debian now... bitbake needs to die Aug 26 15:12:16 Zorkman is a silly. Aug 26 15:12:22 Dave: I think I have OE more than Redhat Aug 26 15:12:23 unknown_lamer, agreed. Aug 26 15:12:23 * Zorkman pleads guilty :( Aug 26 15:12:25 unknown_lamer: both can exists :) Aug 26 15:12:28 hate Aug 26 15:12:31 bring the HATE Aug 26 15:12:36 lindi, nevar! Aug 26 15:12:40 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 26 15:12:49 lindi-: no OE has nowhere near the maintainer size of Debian and a lot of their software is stale with localized patches that appear to never be pushed upstream Aug 26 15:12:55 and that's Debian, right? :) Aug 26 15:12:57 unknown_lamer: but we should have upstream maintainers and distro maintainers separately Aug 26 15:13:05 Dave: I'm looking forward when we can play a mulitplayer game gainst eachother and my sixaxis works :) Aug 26 15:13:08 e.g. I need bdb 4.6 but OE is stuck at 4.3 with some stupid "power saving" thumb patch that does not work with more modern bdb Aug 26 15:13:14 YES Aug 26 15:13:18 goddamn Aug 26 15:13:19 meanwhile debian has 4.everything depending on what you want Aug 26 15:13:22 i installd gcc and when i gcc -o sixpair sixpair.c -lusb Aug 26 15:13:22 controller work already! Aug 26 15:13:27 it says gcc not found Aug 26 15:13:27 any bugs with patches? pushed upstream promptly Aug 26 15:13:36 zorkman install gcc-symlink Aug 26 15:13:37 -_- Aug 26 15:14:21 * unknown_lamer has been using Debian as his only OS since he was ... 15 Aug 26 15:14:23 gcc-symlinks Aug 26 15:14:25 and now I am an old bearded man Aug 26 15:14:28 it's lame :D Aug 26 15:14:36 unknownlamer, aww :) Aug 26 15:14:47 I've used it for many-a-years now, as well :) Aug 26 15:15:10 I'm kind of bummed that xmms was removed Aug 26 15:15:11 Though I am perhaps not as wiezened an old man, as you may be :) Aug 26 15:15:16 Weren't we all. Aug 26 15:15:41 I do find the xmms upstream response amusing "uhh ... I'm still maintaining it ..." Aug 26 15:15:51 Dave: opkg can't find gcc-symlink, you don't happen to know what path it is stored? Aug 26 15:16:14 zorkman, it's gcc-symlinks Aug 26 15:16:15 :P Aug 26 15:16:32 *stab-stab* retarded maintainers and packagers Aug 26 15:17:58 root@om-gta02:~# gcc -o sixpair sixpair.c -lusb Aug 26 15:17:58 gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory Aug 26 15:18:11 to check how much memory used on SD card, is it df -h /media/card ? because it's showing rootfs always. Aug 26 15:20:13 zorkman, why don't you READ the file Aug 26 15:20:16 furthermore, give it to me? :D Aug 26 15:20:20 I want to play with it now :p Aug 26 15:20:45 i'm installing libgcc1 but it is already up to date :( Aug 26 15:21:01 if you want the file Dave: http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html Aug 26 15:21:09 YES Aug 26 15:21:13 * hipitihop waves goodnight and wisges Zorkman , Dave, luck with OS3 controller Aug 26 15:21:35 thank hipitihop and goodbye Aug 26 15:21:38 oh, in bluetooth mode? Aug 26 15:21:41 pfft, who wants that. Aug 26 15:21:48 Goodnight hippityhop :) Aug 26 15:21:52 later sif :P Aug 26 15:22:04 say goodnight to the roos for me ;p Aug 26 15:22:16 withouth bluetooth i would also be content :) Aug 26 15:22:19 * hipitihop gnite skippy !! Aug 26 15:22:54 so are you using it in usb mode, zorkman? o_O Aug 26 15:22:55 or what? Aug 26 15:23:06 Dave: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis says how to use it a as a pointer Device, but it's all apt-get stuff :( Aug 26 15:23:15 It's currently connected through usb yes Dave Aug 26 15:23:47 hmm I tried using a sixaxis controller with my laptop once ... it showed up as a joystick hid device and then proceeded to not work depsite the internet promising me itwould Aug 26 15:23:47 okay Aug 26 15:23:59 haha Aug 26 15:24:08 internet promising... wow, that's rich. Aug 26 15:25:29 0xBADCODE Aug 26 15:26:17 Zorkman: its not hard to get it working yourself if you cant find ready google recipe Aug 26 15:26:30 is there a way to see which gsm commands are sent and received? Aug 26 15:28:25 what do you mean torindel? Aug 26 15:28:41 (my apologied but I am not very skilled at all this) Aug 26 15:30:25 lollerimplicitdefinitions Aug 26 15:30:34 Zorkman: look for some web page how to do advenced setup of mouse in xorg.conf with evdev Aug 26 15:30:47 and just tread your pad as mouse device Aug 26 15:30:47 ok, i will Aug 26 15:31:07 YES Aug 26 15:31:11 then DOOM will work! Aug 26 15:31:18 or be more playable :p Aug 26 15:31:23 (you can configure it as keyboard too, but mouse would be more apropriate) Aug 26 15:31:29 right now i just saved my battery in time because it was charging the controller :) it says 0.0 charge :) Aug 26 15:31:30 indeedy weedy! Aug 26 15:31:36 heh Aug 26 15:31:42 use a self-powered hub, kthx Aug 26 15:31:52 don't have one Dave Aug 26 15:32:01 :( Aug 26 15:32:04 that's why bluetooth would be usefull Aug 26 15:32:11 I guess... Aug 26 15:32:23 * torindel still need to change plug to miniusb on his usbhub Aug 26 15:32:24 if it worked :p Aug 26 15:33:37 :) Aug 26 15:33:42 damn i really want this working :) Aug 26 15:33:59 dave make us an doom ipk Aug 26 15:34:04 YES Aug 26 15:34:09 I hope too :) Aug 26 15:34:23 s/too/to/ Aug 26 15:34:27 :D Aug 26 15:34:39 It's way too complicated, and I'm tired of people making you download "their project" then to only require the separate NON-DISTRIBUTED game files Aug 26 15:34:45 Yes, orospakr, yes. Aug 26 15:34:57 However, it's particularly annoying when the software is OPEN Aug 26 15:35:04 they're just all squeamish and shit. Aug 26 15:35:11 yup Aug 26 15:35:15 sucks Aug 26 15:35:31 plus when their readme's first six steps are to install SOMEONE ELSE'S software first, before installing theirs... Aug 26 15:35:34 fuck. Aug 26 15:35:47 I may as well just package it all up and call it doom1.ipk Aug 26 15:35:48 :p Aug 26 15:35:51 but u can move over to THIS page an dl to your hearts content Aug 26 15:35:51 mofos Aug 26 15:35:55 you're right dave, you're better of just making my controller work! :) Aug 26 15:36:02 :) Aug 26 15:36:41 its time to step up to the pump people Aug 26 15:36:59 ??? Aug 26 15:37:27 crud Aug 26 15:39:45 zorkmids Aug 26 15:40:23 what linux kernel is openmoko currently on dave? Aug 26 15:40:32 2.6.*? Aug 26 15:40:35 2.6.24 Aug 26 15:40:38 though 2.6.26 soon Aug 26 15:40:51 according to http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ it should work right away when connect to usb... Aug 26 15:40:53 I have the kernel sources for 2.6.24 on my card Aug 26 15:41:00 oh it should, should it? Aug 26 15:41:16 even on the freerunner? :P Aug 26 15:41:38 *shrugs* I thought that if it is present in the kernel... Aug 26 15:41:44 there is a patch: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a1a4d8b87389e35c3af04c0d0a95f6a0391b964 Aug 26 15:41:57 YOU want to recompile the entire kernel? Aug 26 15:42:00 but as usual I have no idea what to do with it :) Aug 26 15:42:06 What's a good image to use? So far the buildhost 2007.2 daily build looked much nicer, but qtopia performs better. I hate qtopia's interface though Aug 26 15:42:17 Dave: I have no aspirations to do that :) Aug 26 15:42:19 * Dave high-fives daenyth Aug 26 15:42:23 heh Aug 26 15:42:25 didn't think so Aug 26 15:42:58 what image would you suggest I try Aug 26 15:43:07 I'd ideally like to use my fr as my main phone Aug 26 15:43:08 What's wrong with 2007.2? Aug 26 15:43:11 ah Aug 26 15:43:28 Dave: it won't import my contacts from SIM, gps doesn't work (Though the gps could be because I'm inside) Aug 26 15:43:50 Daenyth: it can't be 2007.2's fault gps is not working Aug 26 15:43:53 Daenyth: gps should work Aug 26 15:44:04 also mofi doesn't work, it crashes saying it can't load the cairo module even though I have python-pycairo installed. I suspect that it's related to pythons version of @INC Aug 26 15:44:30 Zorkman: yeah, I haven't tested it outside Aug 26 15:44:45 umm Aug 26 15:44:51 apart from those things I rather like 2007.2 Aug 26 15:45:00 the contact importing is really important though Aug 26 15:45:09 I've been trying to find where the FR stores them, but I can't Aug 26 15:45:15 Daenyth: mofi works on 2007.2 withoth problems here... Aug 26 15:45:22 Zorkman: yeah, that's the odd thing Aug 26 15:45:24 what have you installed? Aug 26 15:45:26 yeah yeah, complaints, complaints. Aug 26 15:45:28 maybe it's missing a dep Aug 26 15:45:52 Daenyth: Have you tried the addContacts scripts on the wiki? Aug 26 15:46:02 wurp2|gone: I didn't know there was such a thing Aug 26 15:46:09 Daenyth: And gps just won't work unless you're outside or have a good view to the equator from inside Aug 26 15:46:18 heh Aug 26 15:46:28 wurp2|gone: ok, so that confirms that. Good to know. I'll bring my FR with me today I think :) Aug 26 15:46:29 wurp, you can see the equator out your window? Aug 26 15:46:31 Daenyth: I wrote a script to import contacts from SIM to the evolution db on 2007.2 Aug 26 15:46:33 an things are being added all the time to the wiki' Aug 26 15:46:42 And I think other people have improved it Aug 26 15:46:46 wurp2|gone: I can't find it on the wiki Aug 26 15:46:46 gargoyle_grin, Dean? Aug 26 15:46:47 link me? Aug 26 15:47:08 Hrm? Dean? Aug 26 15:47:17 Jimmy Dean? Aug 26 15:47:24 Heh. Aug 26 15:47:24 Dave: Well, if he's in Au/Africa, it's north, if he's in EU/US, it's south... Aug 26 15:47:36 Jimmy Hoffa? Aug 26 15:47:45 Jimmy Hendrix? Aug 26 15:47:49 Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts Aug 26 15:47:51 jimi hendrix! Aug 26 15:47:58 Jimmy cracked some motherfuckin' corn? Aug 26 15:47:58 Yeah. That's me. Aug 26 15:48:06 You caught me. I'm Hendrix. Aug 26 15:48:07 ew python ;) Aug 26 15:48:12 wurp, you can't fool us :p Aug 26 15:48:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts Aug 26 15:48:17 BLASPHEMY! Aug 26 15:48:18 daenyth: *hiss* Aug 26 15:48:20 lol Aug 26 15:48:20 Daenyth: then don't run it :-) Aug 26 15:48:21 gargoyle_grin, I knew it! Aug 26 15:48:28 I could have written it in C Aug 26 15:48:29 NEEDS MOAR PERL! >:D Aug 26 15:48:33 * Daenyth waits for flames Aug 26 15:48:36 lol Aug 26 15:48:55 * Dave ignites daenyth for unbelieving Aug 26 15:49:02 "On my neo, for some reason I can't connect to dbus when running from an ssh session (either USB or over Bluetooth). So you'll probably have to run the above command in the neo Terminal. " Aug 26 15:49:03 hot enough for you? :p Aug 26 15:49:07 wurp2|working: did you set the dbus env variables? Aug 26 15:49:10 But then it would have taken about 10x as long, and would probably crash one time in 100 like any C program that hasn't been extensively tested & bugfixed & scrutinized for memory errors Aug 26 15:49:27 Daenyth: I think someone put notes on that in the wiki page Aug 26 15:49:31 oh yes Aug 26 15:49:36 * Dave throws DocScrutinizer at wurp2 Aug 26 15:49:36 My original script didn't; I did it by hand Aug 26 15:49:41 take that! Aug 26 15:49:44 I agree, py > C Aug 26 15:49:45 ;) Aug 26 15:49:54 Daenyth: interesting Aug 26 15:49:55 daenyth, depends what it is :) Aug 26 15:50:00 C is NOT a scripting language ;) Aug 26 15:50:01 so will debian be able to install to the device instead of the sdcard? Aug 26 15:50:08 and py does make more sense for the FR. Perl doesn't have the same focus Aug 26 15:50:18 In this group, when you hear bitching about py, it's almost always C bigotry Aug 26 15:50:32 I love perl Aug 26 15:50:37 I think of py more as an interpreted programming language rather than a "scripting" language Aug 26 15:50:39 for text processing :-) Aug 26 15:50:47 I love C Aug 26 15:50:50 perl is better for scripting than py, but py does applications better I think Aug 26 15:50:59 for device drivers, and low level gfx routines Aug 26 15:51:07 Daenyth: agreed 100% Aug 26 15:51:15 I just don't like py :( Aug 26 15:51:24 I should learn it though, it would be a good skill Aug 26 15:52:01 ew, 2x indent : Aug 26 15:52:04 blub. Aug 26 15:52:10 needs moar # vim... Aug 26 15:52:19 INDEED Aug 26 15:52:19 :D Aug 26 15:52:33 * Dave high-fives daenyth Aug 26 15:52:50 wurp2|working: depends on programer ;] Aug 26 15:52:56 needz moar pearl!111 Aug 26 15:53:11 if you're carefull enough you can write almost bugfree code Aug 26 15:53:15 torindel: What depends on the programmer? Aug 26 15:53:29 17:49 < wurp2|working> But then it would have taken about 10x as long, and would probably crash one time in 100 like any C Aug 26 15:53:35 program that hasn't been extensively tested & bugfixed & scrutinized for memory errors Aug 26 15:53:39 * Tanuva likez pythn but hates these damn non-specific variables Aug 26 15:53:43 torindel: Yeah, but in C almost bugfree means it craps out on you one time in 100, with no nice message telling you why Aug 26 15:54:19 Tanuva: Yeah, the big problem there is no autocompletion, and no automatic documentation from type declarations :-( Aug 26 15:54:22 also, perl has better error messages than python Aug 26 15:54:32 it tells you _exactly_ what's wrong instead of just giving you a stack dump Aug 26 15:54:37 :p Aug 26 15:54:39 wurp2|working: almost bugfree means that even if it have any bugs you wont see them/encounter them at all Aug 26 15:54:55 does someone have a default debian /etc/pointercal? Aug 26 15:55:02 yeah, isn' tit annoying, tanuva? Aug 26 15:55:08 and hey, tanuva, I thought you were a python programmer? ;D Aug 26 15:55:13 mmmf Aug 26 15:55:20 daenyth, AGREED Aug 26 15:55:27 * Daenyth high-fives Dave Aug 26 15:55:33 daenyth, I'm still stuck in my python app, all it gives me is Memory Error and dies Aug 26 15:55:36 what the fuck is that? Aug 26 15:55:37 needs moar Arch Linux Aug 26 15:55:43 at least tell me WHERE it failed Aug 26 15:55:44 Dave: out of memory? Aug 26 15:55:46 no Aug 26 15:55:47 Dave: I learned python for the neo because I couldn't get c crosscompiled, yes :D Aug 26 15:55:54 lol Aug 26 15:55:56 I know what the problem is now, but it's stupid and unhelpful Aug 26 15:56:01 Tanuva, haha Aug 26 15:56:02 :) Aug 26 15:56:03 cool Aug 26 15:56:15 I'm a perl programmer trying python for the good of the neo Aug 26 15:56:18 torindel: For most medium to small size applications, python is faster to dev in and far less likely to have flaky behavior than C, for devs of equal skill in both, or even devs with roughly close skills Aug 26 15:56:23 Tanuva: lol ;] Aug 26 15:56:26 so far I'm holding up my end of the bargain more so that it though Aug 26 15:56:33 Dave: same, I'm really considering learning py Aug 26 15:56:38 though Aug 26 15:56:41 bash would suit me fine too Aug 26 15:56:42 but now a new tslib came in and my pointercal is fucked up >.< Aug 26 15:56:43 yeah, I've been doing a good job so far Aug 26 15:56:50 any reason bash isn't on there? space, memory? Aug 26 15:56:52 Tanuva: So you're arguing for C after the big cross-platform issue with C forced you to use python? ;-) Aug 26 15:56:55 tanuva, saweeeeeeeet Aug 26 15:57:03 heh Aug 26 15:57:11 He's a believer once more! Aug 26 15:57:13 wurp2|working: like i said depends on programer ;] Aug 26 15:57:20 Paaaahraiiiiise dbus! Aug 26 15:57:22 ;D Aug 26 15:57:23 Daenyth: You haven't run "opkg update; opkg install bash", that's why :-) Aug 26 15:57:26 is there a dedicated IRC channel for FSO dev? Aug 26 15:57:31 wurp2|working: yep, since I really have to get better at c/++ if I want to code commercially ;D Aug 26 15:57:36 torindel: I did C++ professionally for about 8 years Aug 26 15:57:41 wurp2|working: hurf, that is so obvious that I feel rather stupid Aug 26 15:57:41 lol Aug 26 15:57:45 heh Aug 26 15:57:49 torindel: I am an excellent C programmer, and a mediocre python programmer Aug 26 15:57:53 install perl perl-misc Aug 26 15:57:55 wurp2|working: lets say python is good for lazy programers who want to write app fast Aug 26 15:57:55 enjoy! Aug 26 15:58:01 Dave: really? :D Aug 26 15:58:04 sweet Aug 26 15:58:05 yes really Aug 26 15:58:06 python is still far easier to produce quality apps quickly Aug 26 15:58:13 there's a ton of modules ready to be installed Aug 26 15:58:17 YOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE! Aug 26 15:58:17 nice Aug 26 15:58:22 but I'd want to port my app to c to make it run smoother Aug 26 15:58:29 torindel: As opposed to stupid programmers who insist on writing the same app slower, with more bugs? Aug 26 15:58:33 tanuva, I'm not so sure that'd help Aug 26 15:58:41 step one: stop breaking your freerunner Aug 26 15:58:47 step two: don't write crappy software Aug 26 15:58:49 Dave: how hard is it to make an ipkg? I'm an Arch Linux packager, so I'm used to that if you know what it is Aug 26 15:59:00 daenyth pretty easy actually Aug 26 15:59:02 Well, enough language trolling for today Aug 26 15:59:04 I surprised myself Aug 26 15:59:04 work to do :-) Aug 26 15:59:09 Dave: it wasn't me, I was just using a community-built tslib that has the rightclick-fix D: Aug 26 15:59:20 Daenyth: dead easy. the meta toolchain does all the work for you if you have a standard autotools package Aug 26 15:59:23 rightclick-fix? Aug 26 15:59:26 hmm Aug 26 15:59:28 Dave: yes Aug 26 15:59:29 THERE'S A RIGHT-CLICK NOW? Aug 26 15:59:35 Dave: it WAS there Aug 26 15:59:37 I still would find it hard to believe that it's easier than arch packaging Aug 26 15:59:38 o_O Aug 26 15:59:49 daenyth, it's not. I never said it was. Aug 26 15:59:53 Dave: now I have to reinstall the older one since the new one from the deb repo doesn't have it yet Aug 26 16:00:00 anybody link me to a PKGBUILD/.spec/debbuild/ebuild equivalent for the FR? Aug 26 16:00:03 tanuva, oh boohoo Aug 26 16:00:10 tanuva, for what distro was this? Aug 26 16:00:10 so I can take a look Aug 26 16:00:14 Dave: debian Aug 26 16:00:19 wurp2|working: if it where slower i wouldnt write program in c, and if you make too much bugs and dont catch them then you cant write good program at all ;] Aug 26 16:00:21 oh, bah Aug 26 16:00:30 mousey Aug 26 16:00:51 and yea lets end subject ;] Aug 26 16:00:55 hmm Aug 26 16:00:58 Aug 26 16:01:04 I think I'll re-flash back the 2007.2 daily Aug 26 16:01:17 heh Aug 26 16:01:20 anyone know of a particularly good one? If not I'll just go with the one from my birthday :D Aug 26 16:01:22 a wise decision Aug 26 16:01:28 :p Aug 26 16:01:38 from your birthday? aww, how cute! Aug 26 16:01:38 dpkg - warning: downgrading xserver-xorg-input-tslib from 0.0.5-1 to 0.0.4-5+fso2. - :] Aug 26 16:01:46 tanuva, wah wah Aug 26 16:01:46 Dave: yeah, my dad got me the FR :O Aug 26 16:01:50 :D Aug 26 16:01:50 it was sweet Aug 26 16:01:53 Well, lucky you :) Aug 26 16:01:57 yeah Aug 26 16:02:00 Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Aug 26 16:02:04 Weiss: thanks Aug 26 16:02:16 Daenyth, are you on tangogps friends yet? Aug 26 16:02:23 Dave: uh I think I did register Aug 26 16:02:26 Weiss, are you a toolchain user, yourself? Aug 26 16:02:29 daenyth,really? Aug 26 16:02:40 Dave: if I did it's Daenyth; but I've been inside so I couldn't get any locks Aug 26 16:02:48 lemme reflash... sigh Aug 26 16:02:53 FR needs moar usb2/3 Aug 26 16:03:04 yeah, if only Aug 26 16:03:19 nostalgia is good up to a point, but not when it comes with nostalgic speeds :x Aug 26 16:03:23 boo@usb1.1 Aug 26 16:03:25 Dave: i've played with it a little, packaged one of my own programs, but i don't use it regularly (YET, my FR is in the post...) Aug 26 16:03:40 * Tanuva wants to lean this damn toolchain... >.< Aug 26 16:03:45 s/lean/learn/ Aug 26 16:04:01 did somebody say lean? :d Aug 26 16:04:04 hmm Aug 26 16:04:07 I did Aug 26 16:04:14 I think I might make some sort of massive openmoko-utils package for arch Aug 26 16:04:23 dfu-util, a copy of the wiki, toolchain... Aug 26 16:04:25 did somebody say leren? Aug 26 16:04:31 what else would be good to throw in? Aug 26 16:04:42 heh Aug 26 16:04:43 Tanuva: download, install by following the easy instructions (unpack it into a suitable folder), take program, run om-conf on it, make, om-make-ipkg, you're done Aug 26 16:04:46 A WORKIN SOLLUTION FOR MY CONTROLLER Aug 26 16:04:47 ;-) Aug 26 16:04:51 haha *cough* easy instructions Aug 26 16:04:56 zorkman!? Aug 26 16:04:57 Weiss: if it would be that easy... :D Aug 26 16:04:58 Dave: hehe yeah Aug 26 16:05:07 hahaha lean medical research? ;p Aug 26 16:05:08 I've been reading the wiki for days and I still feel stupid Aug 26 16:05:13 Tanuva: it is...? (or are you having library issues?) Aug 26 16:05:19 Dave: not only medical, in ever branch :) Aug 26 16:05:20 it's great though, got it saturday, birthday was sunday and I have this whole week off Aug 26 16:05:23 Weiss: I'm theone who gets error messages on such noone ever got Aug 26 16:05:23 Zorkman: found ready one? Aug 26 16:05:23 ;D Aug 26 16:05:43 Tanuva: ick - example? Aug 26 16:05:44 Zorkman, I dislike that after tango restarts you lose all your friends :( Aug 26 16:05:50 Dave: ? Aug 26 16:05:52 you have to then get them back Aug 26 16:05:54 Weiss: but I don't have an actual problem atm, was just fiddling around with it. I'll give it a try Aug 26 16:06:05 because you're apparently not cool enough to keep them Aug 26 16:06:07 :P Aug 26 16:06:09 Torikun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis#Configuring%20XServer might be a candidate? Aug 26 16:06:12 you have to earn back their respect? Aug 26 16:06:30 zorkman, did you make it work yet or are you just baiting us to help you further? :P Aug 26 16:06:51 Dave: no i didn't make it work, I was suggesting something that Daenyth could include in his massive package :) Aug 26 16:06:54 Daenyth: a copy of the MokoMakefile would be nice Aug 26 16:07:05 I'm currently letting my freerunner charge a bit because it had 0.0% charge :) Aug 26 16:07:19 Weiss: I really need to organize my todo list.. Aug 26 16:08:18 Zorkman: if it works yes, if it doesnt you'll got to firgure your self what bit means what on your device and configure it by hand ;] Aug 26 16:09:16 Zorkman: (you can cat /dev/input/eventX to get raw data coming from mouse/controler) Aug 26 16:09:19 Dave: there's a lot of extraneous cruft on the toolchain instructions (basically trying to teach autotools to you, which i concede *isn't* easy), but i don't see the actual toolchain-specific ones as being so bad. you're simply setting up an environment, configuring the package to compile with a cross-compiler, compiling it then running a utility to package it Aug 26 16:10:09 thanks for the hint torindel; but if it involves manual configuration i don't think I will pull it of :) Aug 26 16:10:31 mm Aug 26 16:10:37 i can't even compile the f*ù$^$ù sixpair Aug 26 16:10:41 what's with the laser pointer and flashlight on the stylus btw? Aug 26 16:10:43 :P Aug 26 16:10:53 Daenyth: it's the only thing that works Aug 26 16:10:58 Daenyth: use it wise Aug 26 16:11:02 lol Aug 26 16:11:09 LOL Aug 26 16:11:15 yeah.. my gf has been getting annoyed because I keep fiddling with it Aug 26 16:11:17 >_> Aug 26 16:12:10 lol Aug 26 16:12:36 you've gotta shoot her in the eye Aug 26 16:12:38 weiss, are you the one we should be directing our toolchain woes to? :) Aug 26 16:12:39 what's the little copper-ish thing on the right side above the usb port Aug 26 16:12:45 antennae jack? Aug 26 16:12:48 zorkman, I did, want it? Aug 26 16:12:54 yes please Aug 26 16:12:54 Daenyth: gps antenna, yes Aug 26 16:12:58 aha Aug 26 16:12:58 daenyth, perhaps she needs more fiddling ;p Aug 26 16:13:00 (and how did you pull it of?) Aug 26 16:13:03 Dave: :D Aug 26 16:13:06 ;) Aug 26 16:13:10 Trust me, I know how it is :) Aug 26 16:13:19 Daenyth: for gps Aug 26 16:13:30 Daenyth, there is good news. The freerunner has the potential to be used as a vibrator! Aug 26 16:13:34 Daenyth: my laser pointer died :( my cat did enjoy chasing the red dot though for a couple of days Aug 26 16:13:40 But you'll probably want one of those phone condoms, first. Aug 26 16:13:40 Tig|: fun Aug 26 16:13:46 I miss having a cat sometimes Aug 26 16:13:50 Tig :) Aug 26 16:13:57 daenyth, want another one? Aug 26 16:14:05 no money for it Aug 26 16:14:11 oh, to support it? Aug 26 16:14:13 yeah Aug 26 16:14:14 * Tanuva is looking for some nicer replacement for his invisibleshield... Aug 26 16:14:20 I'm sure your current cat is costing you enough :P Aug 26 16:14:25 lol Aug 26 16:14:28 ;) Aug 26 16:14:29 what don't you like about your invisible shield tanuva? Aug 26 16:14:37 It's one expensive pussy, eh? :p Aug 26 16:14:42 ba dum cha Aug 26 16:14:45 * Daenyth rimshots Aug 26 16:14:49 be glad it doesn't cost you more :P Aug 26 16:15:04 zorkman, cloaking device not included Aug 26 16:15:05 Zorkman: it makes the nice matte surface look so damn shiny black... and it's many edges attract the dirt really good Aug 26 16:15:14 Zorkman: although the screen protector is quite good Aug 26 16:15:20 Tanuva :x Aug 26 16:15:31 tanuva, yeah, that seems to be the general concensus Aug 26 16:15:33 Dave, can you upload it somewhere? Aug 26 16:15:38 many got it just for the screen protector Aug 26 16:15:42 Zorkman, PERHAPS Aug 26 16:15:47 daveman.be Aug 26 16:15:57 I mean... ~_~ Aug 26 16:16:20 zorkman, did you just want the sixpair.c build or the other things too? Aug 26 16:16:20 Quizás, Quizás, Quizás...if you really love me... Aug 26 16:16:27 :) Aug 26 16:16:38 ... and then I need to reapply the screen protector, many micro bubbles left under it since 3 weeks Aug 26 16:16:40 euhm, since I can't compile it because of that error maybe everything? Aug 26 16:16:50 Dave: no way, but i generally "get" how autotools works so might be able to help... Aug 26 16:16:56 heh well there was like a sixpair-hid.c thingy Aug 26 16:17:02 Weiss :) Aug 26 16:17:42 maybe I'll just get some old sock and put the fr in there. so noone will dare to steal it either... xD Aug 26 16:17:47 Zorkman: get normal xorg input evdev driver then Aug 26 16:18:35 didnt the freerunner come with a pouch? Aug 26 16:18:45 torindel, I really must dissapoint you, I don't know what you mean by a normal xorg input evdev driver Aug 26 16:19:11 I've got a pouch, it seems a rather decent one... Aug 26 16:19:38 zedstar: at pulster, you have to order and pay it separately Aug 26 16:19:43 will mokomakefile work under gcc4.3? Aug 26 16:19:48 (which I didn't intend to do) Aug 26 16:19:54 the wiki says to use 3.3... Aug 26 16:20:00 tanuva ah! it is nice the pouch Aug 26 16:20:16 is it... Aug 26 16:20:23 fits nicely? :) Aug 26 16:20:23 Daenyth: months ago I tried with 4.3 but had no luck, i used 3.3 Aug 26 16:20:26 Daenyth: mokomake file should build itsown gcc as oe do anyway Aug 26 16:20:33 hrm Aug 26 16:20:39 maybe I give it a go... Aug 26 16:20:41 I'll worry about it later Aug 26 16:20:52 i used gcc-4.3.1 and it worked Aug 26 16:20:57 yeh fits and u can sort of get the stylus in Aug 26 16:21:09 and some highly illegal drugs Aug 26 16:21:16 zedstar: pouch? Aug 26 16:21:18 link? Aug 26 16:21:20 yay, foss-smuggling :D Aug 26 16:21:21 yeh and swallow Aug 26 16:21:29 zedstar! Aug 26 16:21:55 you just need the 3.x libs Aug 26 16:22:01 they're available in whatever repo you use Aug 26 16:22:04 daenyth there is an openmoko made pouch which existed since the 1973 it is nice Aug 26 16:22:10 zedstar: link? Aug 26 16:22:12 edstar, indeed Aug 26 16:22:15 zorkman Aug 26 16:22:26 hmmm dunno links it came when i got my 1973 Aug 26 16:22:32 yes Dave? Aug 26 16:22:45 I ordered from bearstech and got the pouch Aug 26 16:22:49 :O Aug 26 16:22:51 but tanuva says u can get from pulster Aug 26 16:22:56 FR doesn't come with it Aug 26 16:23:19 pulster takes _ages_ Aug 26 16:23:20 I got a pouch for most of my freerunners, but no lanyards :( Aug 26 16:23:27 I was somewhat disappointed. Aug 26 16:23:31 edistar: it didn't for me Aug 26 16:23:50 my freerunner from truebox did not come with one initially but they sent one on later when OM shipped them some along with the headphones :) Aug 26 16:24:07 edistar: I received my pulster-fr bit more than 2 months ago Aug 26 16:24:48 Tanuva: how long did you have to wait? Aug 26 16:25:11 Tanuva: some people in #freeyourphone had to wait +- 2 months Aug 26 16:25:20 I ordered from TRIsoft, that was very quick Aug 26 16:26:44 edistar: I ordered it the moment it got available Aug 26 16:26:52 edistar: don't remember the exact date Aug 26 16:26:55 Tanuva: okey Aug 26 16:27:13 Zorkman: in oe there is xf86-input-evdev, if someone have oe/mokomakefile are setup ask them to build it for you Aug 26 16:27:14 at trisoft I first had #117 but then cancelled that order since pulster was cheaper Aug 26 16:27:28 okey Aug 26 16:30:48 edistar, i received mine 2 days after they got them Aug 26 16:31:09 Dave, i got neither pouches nor lanyards =( Aug 26 16:31:14 * phrozen77 now has a sad Aug 26 16:31:24 aww Aug 26 16:31:26 phrozen77: oh, good Aug 26 16:31:42 Don't worry, my first one came with ALL the extra goodies, but no pouch Aug 26 16:31:45 so I had to invent one :) Aug 26 16:32:01 * phrozen77 robs Daves pouches and lanyards Aug 26 16:32:10 ALL YOUR GOODIES ARE BELONG TO MEEEE Aug 26 16:32:29 * retracile has a Targus backpack that has a detatchable pouch that fits the FR pretty well Aug 26 16:33:05 coming up later today: flashing the FR for fun + profit Aug 26 16:33:25 btw Aug 26 16:33:28 * torindel sets retracile backpack on fire! Aug 26 16:33:33 are there any known casemods for the FR? Aug 26 16:33:43 hey! Aug 26 16:33:56 too late Aug 26 16:33:58 :( Aug 26 16:34:02 theyre on ebay already Aug 26 16:34:02 torindel! Aug 26 16:34:06 don't hurt retracile Aug 26 16:34:06 can anyone compile a little c-file for me for arm4 on the FR? Aug 26 16:34:07 he's cool Aug 26 16:34:11 phrozen :( Aug 26 16:34:17 zorkman, no Aug 26 16:34:28 Zorkman, sorry, no - got no dev env up atm Aug 26 16:34:39 hm Aug 26 16:34:44 should've made that a "sry" Aug 26 16:34:56 no wrds ovr four ltrs Aug 26 16:34:59 ! Aug 26 16:35:32 MAR! my friend!! Aug 26 16:35:40 zorkman u need xf86-input-evdev built/ Aug 26 16:35:42 Weiss, come forth. Aug 26 16:35:43 you have a build/dev env? Aug 26 16:35:48 ? Aug 26 16:36:04 zedstar: i don't have it Aug 26 16:36:12 heh Aug 26 16:36:33 zorkman u need it built i could build for u if u like? Aug 26 16:36:43 very much, thanks zedstar Aug 26 16:37:00 the file is named sixpair.c and is available on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis#Configuring%20XServer Aug 26 16:37:10 bitches! Aug 26 16:37:13 + dave Aug 26 16:37:16 :) Aug 26 16:37:17 bbq Aug 26 16:37:18 zedstar: build him xf86-input-evdev too Aug 26 16:37:20 Indeed Aug 26 16:37:36 zedstar: since i think he'll use it anyway ;] Aug 26 16:37:55 ok...i started the first one will take a while no doubt Aug 26 16:37:57 Freerunner unconditionally needs more ports. Aug 26 16:38:56 FR needs more cowbell Aug 26 16:39:06 not yet Aug 26 16:39:09 fr needs MOAR of all Aug 26 16:39:10 mine has enough ,for now Aug 26 16:39:19 emerge freedom Aug 26 16:39:23 Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 Aug 26 16:39:24 at the cost of war Aug 26 16:39:32 Yes, slaxxin. Aug 26 16:39:46 why the bootloader still say moko 12 Aug 26 16:40:06 shouldmt it be something newer? Aug 26 16:40:33 What's the status on getting more FRs in stock? Aug 26 16:40:57 Last I checked, Koolu still had some in stock Aug 26 16:41:05 they need more than 290 people wanting 1 Aug 26 16:41:10 ShellEvil: Indeed we do. Aug 26 16:41:10 i just totally got mine! Aug 26 16:41:12 daenyth, put yourself on the map, man! ;) Aug 26 16:41:15 hey bri :) Aug 26 16:41:15 all the way in singapore baby! Aug 26 16:41:22 Dave: Howty. Aug 26 16:41:25 :D Aug 26 16:41:28 slaxxin: you should update to something that says 1.3.1-git something Aug 26 16:41:30 linux just booted up on my phone! Aug 26 16:41:34 geek stats went up! Aug 26 16:41:35 Still in Antarctica, I see. Aug 26 16:41:48 thank god Aug 26 16:41:51 donaq, did you make a saving throw? Aug 26 16:41:59 Dave: installing matchbox Aug 26 16:42:01 chill : Aug 26 16:42:03 Any h/w devs kicking around in here today? Aug 26 16:42:03 * donaq knows he's being an ass but he doesn't care because he's so happy Aug 26 16:42:04 an raster of course Aug 26 16:42:05 and then I need to go outside Aug 26 16:42:09 Dave: link/info/etc? Aug 26 16:42:16 man, if I write a dice program for the freerunner right now, I'm sure it'll become famous. Aug 26 16:42:21 slaxxin: just look in daily build or something Aug 26 16:42:24 Dave, hahaha Aug 26 16:42:25 daenyth, link info, for what? Aug 26 16:42:34 Dave: map? Aug 26 16:42:37 tangogps stuff? Aug 26 16:42:39 donaq, someone will be like, one moment, let me consult my freerunner :) Aug 26 16:42:43 do it from the FR? Aug 26 16:42:45 does opkg upgrade uboot to? Aug 26 16:42:46 daenyth, do you have tangogps installed? Aug 26 16:42:52 I just finished flashing Aug 26 16:42:57 slaxxin: yep Aug 26 16:42:57 gimme a few to get it up to speed Aug 26 16:43:27 if it does then i should have it already Aug 26 16:43:28 ive heard android runs on the FreeRunner -- is it possible for ordinary users to get their hands on an image or the source? Aug 26 16:43:34 daenyth, install tangogps, go outside just get a fix, then go inside, plug it back in, go to the map and say Update Me! under the Friends tab :) Aug 26 16:43:38 Luyu! Aug 26 16:43:40 Dave: k Aug 26 16:43:45 :] Aug 26 16:43:51 bah, that means I have to get dressed and go outside Aug 26 16:43:57 undoubtedly! Aug 26 16:43:59 you do? Aug 26 16:44:06 Well, depends on your neighbors, now doesn't it :p Aug 26 16:44:09 LuYu: orginal demo android image doesnt as it was built for armv5 Aug 26 16:44:09 hehe Aug 26 16:44:16 LuYu: Not yet. Aug 26 16:44:19 save the maps to the sdcard Aug 26 16:44:25 huhu Aug 26 16:44:36 when android comes out, will it be just a download away? Aug 26 16:44:36 crosscompilation ~_~ Aug 26 16:44:43 dubious Aug 26 16:44:45 oooo nooo Aug 26 16:44:45 LuYu: Koolu will have a port available once Android is released by Google. Aug 26 16:44:58 kewl Aug 26 16:45:09 in case anyone is interested, i got mine from koolu Aug 26 16:45:10 #android? Aug 26 16:45:13 cthulhu? Aug 26 16:45:15 quite promptly i might add Aug 26 16:45:31 LuYu: You interested in Android development? Aug 26 16:45:39 hahaha Aug 26 16:45:41 bricode, are you? Aug 26 16:45:44 ;) Aug 26 16:45:47 im interested in android USE Aug 26 16:45:56 Dave: Happen to be :) Aug 26 16:46:01 i want a stable image for my freerunner Aug 26 16:46:10 heh Aug 26 16:46:18 why would a later version of uboot have a smaller # this is just not right Aug 26 16:46:19 Good luck! Aug 26 16:46:21 also, i want to try to use every distro possible Aug 26 16:46:23 There will only be a stable image after the horse has bolted. Aug 26 16:46:25 Or something. Aug 26 16:46:25 hahahaha Aug 26 16:46:26 LuYu: Understood. In the meantime you might want to check out the qtopia stack. Aug 26 16:46:37 yeehaw? Aug 26 16:46:44 slaxxin: well its newer one ;] Aug 26 16:46:47 actually, ive been using rasters image Aug 26 16:46:52 its cool Aug 26 16:46:56 reeally? Aug 26 16:46:57 hmm Aug 26 16:47:00 unless i install a terminal Aug 26 16:47:01 with the 2007.2 images Aug 26 16:47:06 the screenshots on the wiki are all pretty Aug 26 16:47:07 well, its stable -- as a phone Aug 26 16:47:10 whereas my FR is kind of boxy Aug 26 16:47:13 slaxxin: yea it have newer bugs ;] Aug 26 16:47:15 eh? Aug 26 16:47:15 is there some theme or something? Aug 26 16:47:21 translation: GPS + SMS only Aug 26 16:47:29 oops Aug 26 16:47:29 hmm Aug 26 16:47:31 cya Aug 26 16:47:32 can anybody point me the uboot upgrade procedure page on the wiki ? Aug 26 16:47:37 s/GPS/GSM Aug 26 16:47:40 typo Aug 26 16:47:42 loloolloll Aug 26 16:47:45 it's surprisingly finger friendly out of the box Aug 26 16:47:47 munga2: flashing the freerunner Aug 26 16:48:06 yeah, but the old 2007 image is much more useful Aug 26 16:48:12 munga2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner Aug 26 16:48:12 the little red links Aug 26 16:48:16 Zorkman: thanks :) Aug 26 16:48:32 and it doesnt have that horrid keyboard (i hope i havent offended anybody, but i really hate it) Aug 26 16:48:58 so far the best keyboard I have found is the one on the FSO Aug 26 16:49:07 which i think i the illume one Aug 26 16:49:51 how do you write a '/' with om2007 keyboard? Aug 26 16:50:06 You can't Aug 26 16:50:12 get matchbox-keyboard Aug 26 16:50:18 u modify the keyboard per the wiki Aug 26 16:50:22 oh yeah Aug 26 16:50:22 :p Aug 26 16:50:26 annoying -_- Aug 26 16:51:03 ouch Aug 26 16:51:21 its a learning path Aug 26 16:51:25 ok some of my sim card contacts are missing for some reason Aug 26 16:51:31 yeah Aug 26 16:51:32 time to break out the ssh Aug 26 16:51:36 They have been abducted! Aug 26 16:51:37 the get lost Aug 26 16:51:38 i like the 2007 image one Aug 26 16:51:39 * donaq cracks knuckles Aug 26 16:51:43 You will be next! Aug 26 16:51:50 but the illume keyboard drives me nuts Aug 26 16:51:51 do they stay lost? Aug 26 16:51:59 check the e db Aug 26 16:52:01 i mean if i move it back to my other mobile Aug 26 16:52:06 will they reappear? Aug 26 16:52:11 furthermore are you using wurp's script? Aug 26 16:52:31 no idea what that is. pardon me. total noob here Aug 26 16:52:40 i just booted up minutes ago Aug 26 16:53:18 donaq: I have heard of people having your problem Aug 26 16:53:28 All contacts after a certain entry being missing Aug 26 16:53:28 i hate predictive software Aug 26 16:53:29 wurp2|working: your script worked perfectly Aug 26 16:53:30 :) Aug 26 16:53:37 Daenyth: excellent, glad to hear it Aug 26 16:53:39 is there a way to shut off the predictive bit? Aug 26 16:53:46 Sorry you had to taint your neo w/ python ;-) Aug 26 16:53:59 LuYu: use a different keyboard or remove the words files Aug 26 16:54:01 LuYu: post your opinion on https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864 Aug 26 16:54:16 WARNING --THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING-- SOMEONE MORE NOOBULAS THAN SLAXXIN HAS ENTERED THE ROOM Aug 26 16:54:18 Daenyth: Do your contacts have non-ascii characters in the names? Aug 26 16:54:24 so, theres quite a discussion going on this Aug 26 16:54:37 slaxxin: I'm also here :) Aug 26 16:54:50 wurp2|working: having bugs now is fine with me. i understand it's still a hackers' toy. but what's important to me is, are they still on the sim card? Aug 26 16:55:03 wurp2|working: nope Aug 26 16:55:05 LuYu: this has been discussed a hundred times, there have been probbaly more than 100 mails about tin, and the dev's still don't get it Aug 26 16:55:08 * donaq is the noobest. Aug 26 16:55:19 * Zorkman challenges donaq Aug 26 16:55:34 slaxxin :) Aug 26 16:55:37 * donaq just unpacked and booted up 5 minutes ago Aug 26 16:55:43 fight fight fight fight Aug 26 16:55:53 * donaq wins...? Aug 26 16:55:57 donaq: I've only used linux for a month now Aug 26 16:56:00 oh Aug 26 16:56:04 DONAQ JUXT KIDDIN AROUND Aug 26 16:56:06 Illume keyboard sometimes fully disappear , it does show standard om2008 keyboard Aug 26 16:56:07 touché Aug 26 16:56:10 sorry Aug 26 16:56:13 i meant with the openmoko :p Aug 26 16:56:38 slaxxin, it's fine. i don't spend my days worrying about what people on irc say to me :D Aug 26 16:57:15 Zorkman :D Aug 26 16:57:23 * Dave sends slaxxin SIGTRANQ Aug 26 16:57:28 calm yourself down, mister :P Aug 26 16:57:37 * Zorkman googles for sigtranq :) Aug 26 16:57:46 You'll likely find me. Aug 26 16:57:51 haha Aug 26 16:57:52 indeed :) Aug 26 16:57:57 >:) Aug 26 16:58:17 slaxxin FTW: ne1 typing all caps is automatically noober than ne1 typing lower case Aug 26 16:58:23 this is kinda funny Aug 26 16:58:50 actually, motorola's linux phones had a similar thing for chinese Aug 26 16:59:13 i turned it off within 24 hours of obtaining the phone Aug 26 16:59:20 just a small question about booting on a single sd card ext2 partition (rootfs+kernel on the same) must the kernel image be in / or /boot of the partition ? Aug 26 16:59:48 (with the line setenv menu_3 QTopia: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1:1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000) Aug 26 16:59:49 lol Aug 26 16:59:51 yup Aug 26 16:59:58 LuYu: add your opinion to the thread, maybe they'll listen after 200messages... Aug 26 17:00:06 hahahaha Aug 26 17:00:07 okay Aug 26 17:00:09 will do Aug 26 17:00:13 Hatemail away! Aug 26 17:00:21 * Dave drops his letters in bomb form Aug 26 17:00:24 almost as noobulus as typing your root password in irc Aug 26 17:00:25 :) Aug 26 17:00:41 totally noobular dudes! Aug 26 17:01:02 DUDE Aug 26 17:01:11 WHERE'S MY FREERUNNER!? Aug 26 17:01:18 ah well that would be easy to do with the default one on the FR :P Aug 26 17:01:29 how can I recover/reset my tangogps password? Aug 26 17:01:37 eh? Aug 26 17:01:50 oh, heehee Aug 26 17:01:52 You forgot it ALREADY? Aug 26 17:01:53 :P Aug 26 17:01:53 dunno Daenyth: ask marcus Aug 26 17:01:55 I had set it up on a previous one, but then I flashed over it Aug 26 17:02:16 I don't see a "log in" button on the gps thing Aug 26 17:02:21 do I just put in my nick? Aug 26 17:02:24 my root password is ********* Aug 26 17:02:25 is it important to upgrade the uboot Aug 26 17:02:40 with the gps an all maybe some added insusance is inorder Aug 26 17:02:41 pazante: in short: yes :) Aug 26 17:03:09 pazante: not like every week or so, but if you are still running the stock u-boot, you're best off with updating (for charging, booting from sd...) Aug 26 17:03:20 since all your bases belong to us Aug 26 17:04:28 thanks then should i take the uboot that is in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Aug 26 17:04:39 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 26 17:05:03 ok what uboot should iuse Aug 26 17:05:10 pazante: that u-boot is ok Aug 26 17:06:25 i was just reading the latest few feeds on planet openmoko, pretty awesome!!! Aug 26 17:06:42 thank you khaije1!!! Aug 26 17:06:57 I especially liek the ones from Xiangfu Liu Aug 26 17:07:23 it got me wondering though about how FSO relates to the debian port, are they compatible? i'm interested in the possibilities Aug 26 17:07:32 Zorkman :) Aug 26 17:07:43 Zorkman, hey, at least I can get the gist of it! Aug 26 17:07:53 Stupid people making fun of his posts :| Aug 26 17:08:30 o is that what that was? lol Aug 26 17:08:33 while im talking about input Aug 26 17:08:34 Dave: I'm kinda like Xiangfu, I always read his updates on his work on the lists Aug 26 17:08:53 is there a way to make the input work correctly in landscape mode? Aug 26 17:09:09 khaije1, there are FSO packages for the Debian install, if you follow the documented route they will be installed Aug 26 17:09:13 LuYu: if you 2007.2 is fully upgrade it "kinda" works Aug 26 17:09:36 so, its even buggy after a full upgrade Aug 26 17:09:48 hi Aug 26 17:10:13 Zorkman? Aug 26 17:10:16 I'm trying to get stereo output on my headset, but it doesn't work. Aug 26 17:10:18 Ze Frans! Aug 26 17:10:32 using 2007.2, when I restore gsmheadset.state, I get no output Aug 26 17:10:43 and when I restore headset.state, I get only the right channel Aug 26 17:10:54 (the sound comes from the media player, not any GSM thing) Aug 26 17:11:28 any way to check how much amp you're charging at? Aug 26 17:11:36 yes Aug 26 17:11:49 is it on the wiki? Aug 26 17:11:53 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py Aug 26 17:12:07 I don't think it's on the wiki (like everything...) you could add it though Aug 26 17:12:11 na na na na na na BATMON! Aug 26 17:12:17 thanks Zorkman Aug 26 17:12:21 donaq: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/projects/power.py Aug 26 17:12:57 OH MAN Aug 26 17:13:06 How much I adore Engrish haiku. Aug 26 17:13:09 :) Aug 26 17:13:45 * Zorkman is doing reboot #121384 Aug 26 17:13:48 Just reading the labels/boxes of certain electronic devices make very hesitant to ever want to use them. Aug 26 17:14:01 For fear of my own safety. Aug 26 17:14:45 I hate restarting my normal phone and I almost never have to (once every two months maybe...) and it certainly takes less... I'ml wondering why I haven't eaten the FR yet :) Aug 26 17:15:43 scary explosions Aug 26 17:15:49 is there anything special I have to do in tangogps to get a fix? Aug 26 17:16:03 Daenyth: you have gpsd and configured it right? Aug 26 17:16:05 go outside? wait ten minutes? Aug 26 17:16:09 oh yeah, good point :p Aug 26 17:16:12 make sure GPSD is running Aug 26 17:16:15 gpsd Aug 26 17:16:32 10 minutes? :/ Aug 26 17:16:37 could be Aug 26 17:16:40 clear sky ==> 40 sec Aug 26 17:16:41 why, afraid of the sunlight? ;D Aug 26 17:16:47 even less when I use my u-blox server data Aug 26 17:16:53 I can't see the screen in sunlight >_> Aug 26 17:16:58 zorkman, cheetar :P Aug 26 17:17:00 maybe it's the protective cover? Aug 26 17:17:02 daenyth :P Aug 26 17:17:06 nah, it Aug 26 17:17:08 it's shitty Aug 26 17:17:21 come on, it's not like it's got 400nits :p Aug 26 17:17:30 ? Aug 26 17:17:47 i'll ask my eightball Aug 26 17:17:50 rofl Aug 26 17:18:01 apt 8ball Should Daenyth go outside? Aug 26 17:18:02 Absolutely. Aug 26 17:18:04 Question: doe sit have 400nits? Aug 26 17:18:06 See! Aug 26 17:18:10 answer: Outlook: Not So Good Aug 26 17:18:15 :p Aug 26 17:18:31 Not So Good kind of describes the freerunner accurately :\ Aug 26 17:18:44 apt 8ball Is my moko eightball better than yours? Aug 26 17:18:45 Unsure. Aug 26 17:18:53 pfft Aug 26 17:19:41 pop pop pop, goes my leds Aug 26 17:19:51 The GPS unit in freerunner will not work without the antenna ? Aug 26 17:19:59 huh? Aug 26 17:20:04 it works in mine Aug 26 17:20:07 As in, if you rip the internal antenna out of it? Aug 26 17:20:16 What do you think. Aug 26 17:20:17 -_- Aug 26 17:20:27 Zorkman: Not 40 sec for first fix ever, w/ no inet connection, I don't think... Aug 26 17:20:30 Though it does not require an external antenna, no. Aug 26 17:20:35 but it certainly does help. Aug 26 17:20:40 wurp2|working: it worked for me.... Aug 26 17:20:44 ohh Aug 26 17:20:51 now I see why it's running slow Aug 26 17:20:56 it's on fire? Aug 26 17:20:58 opkg update/upgrade in background Aug 26 17:20:59 Zorkman: 1st time? No inet connection? Aug 26 17:20:59 Dave, ok, thanks Aug 26 17:21:04 lul Aug 26 17:21:09 wurp2|working: yeah, well at least under 1min Aug 26 17:21:19 wurp2, I've gotten a 12 sat fix in 1-2 seconds from power on Aug 26 17:21:22 clear conditions, no obstacles near Aug 26 17:21:26 Dave, I just got a piece from my friend , trying to figure out how to use the gps Aug 26 17:21:29 haha lol :) Aug 26 17:21:30 but it's not often that happens, though when I'm outside it's not hard Aug 26 17:21:41 I also believe that the chip might still contain info? *shrugs* Aug 26 17:21:42 can I have a piece of your girfliend also? Aug 26 17:21:42 kushal, maybe you want to go outside :-) Aug 26 17:21:48 kushal :) Aug 26 17:21:51 Zorkman: that confuses the hell out of me... it takes 12 minutes to get the ephemera, unless you can dl it from the inet Aug 26 17:21:57 zorkman o_o Aug 26 17:22:04 and ephemera goes bad in a few hours Aug 26 17:22:10 wtf Aug 26 17:22:12 wurp2|working: 12min? are you serious?? Aug 26 17:22:23 What are you smoking over there? Aug 26 17:22:45 (Dave: I read " Dave, I just got a piece from my girlfriend ") Aug 26 17:23:18 Zorkman, did YOU? Aug 26 17:23:30 ;p Aug 26 17:23:32 or maybe you wish you did :p Aug 26 17:24:22 Sorry, 12 min to dl almanac Aug 26 17:24:26 Zorkman, hehe Aug 26 17:25:02 please tell me one thing, how can I figure out if I am receiving any GPS signal or not ? Aug 26 17:25:28 kushal: install openmoko-agps Aug 26 17:25:31 cat /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 26 17:25:47 Dave, the library is complete and working (undoubtedly with bugs, memory leaks, and ways to improve its performance) Aug 26 17:26:02 (i also have a test application setup to interface with it) Aug 26 17:26:06 mjr: sorry i got distracted, FSO is an compatibility/api layer right? Aug 26 17:26:27 so this means i can use debian as my main OS when i get my FR? Aug 26 17:26:36 this seems perfectly ideal Aug 26 17:26:57 FSO is a phone application framework or somesuch thing Aug 26 17:27:27 anybody got ReMoKo runningK? Aug 26 17:27:40 it doesn't work on my 2008.8 and on my 2007.2 Aug 26 17:27:44 YAY Aug 26 17:27:52 and yes you can. Though when I tried I got hit by some phonecall issues that prompted a change back to 2007.2 for now Aug 26 17:27:54 ieatlint, sounds hot Aug 26 17:27:58 send it on over, baby! Aug 26 17:28:05 If you would be so kind... :) Aug 26 17:28:16 the buss application? Aug 26 17:28:24 bus, yes Aug 26 17:28:26 yeah Aug 26 17:28:32 lint, is the app for pc? portable? Aug 26 17:28:39 * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/openmoko-agpsui_0.1+svnr7-r0_armv4t.ipk, error 0 Aug 26 17:28:43 Dave, i will in a few, i need to clean up some random files, and then i need to make a phone call Aug 26 17:28:51 it then says to opkg update, but I did that just before I tried to install Aug 26 17:28:52 sure sure Aug 26 17:29:00 and I got it installed last time I flashed this image! Aug 26 17:29:01 Daenyth: can you ping google? Aug 26 17:29:02 ieatlint, I hope not on your freerunner :) Aug 26 17:29:03 so I have no clue why it won't Aug 26 17:29:05 mjr: ya, i don't fully understand how they all slot together- is debian the equivalent of OE, and then FSO is that mythical dus layer? Aug 26 17:29:05 Zorkman: yes Aug 26 17:29:20 Daenyth: can you wget it? Aug 26 17:29:25 moment Aug 26 17:29:33 khaije1, close enough Aug 26 17:29:33 whee Aug 26 17:29:35 Dave, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/clate/ Aug 26 17:29:44 Dave, example output from the example program :P Aug 26 17:29:48 ieatlint: just to let you know, i like your programs Aug 26 17:30:16 ooh la la Aug 26 17:30:22 zorkman, yeah yeah Aug 26 17:30:26 we all heart ieatlint Aug 26 17:30:30 hah Aug 26 17:30:30 we all want a piece of him, eh? :p Aug 26 17:30:35 oh Aug 26 17:30:37 no I couldn't Aug 26 17:30:38 Zorkman, do you live in a place with nextbus? Aug 26 17:30:39 we should donate money or something Aug 26 17:30:44 ieatlint, haha, no Aug 26 17:30:45 I know why now Aug 26 17:31:06 I'm pretty sure they don't have nextbus in Belgium Aug 26 17:31:19 Although there is here! Aug 26 17:31:23 go go clate! Aug 26 17:31:24 yeah, then sadly this program won't help you unless you visit a place with nextbus :P Aug 26 17:31:38 how do I specify multiple `route's? Different ones for each interface Aug 26 17:31:40 ok, i gots to go make the phone call... hopefully back soon to give out the stuffs to you dave Aug 26 17:31:49 is there a way to install the terminal in 2008 without illume stomping rasters keyboard? Aug 26 17:31:52 don't worry ieatlint, I forgive you this one useles program :) Aug 26 17:32:12 Dave, and yeah, it's gnu c, so it's portable (i haven't even touched the freerunner with it yet) Aug 26 17:32:19 ieatlint, oh Aug 26 17:32:21 mjr: thats awesome but the thing that confuses me a little is, so OS's are more or less interchangable as long as they impliment the called-from-FSO services correctly? Aug 26 17:32:28 Ieatlint, I think the cutest part is it's all stolen Aug 26 17:32:29 Dave, just the library and a test app... gui next Aug 26 17:32:32 like if you look at the info :) Aug 26 17:32:39 err, I mean, "Borrowed" :) Aug 26 17:32:43 well, the code isn't :) Aug 26 17:32:45 yep Aug 26 17:32:55 are you adding the library next? Aug 26 17:33:07 Dave, clate is an interface to the library Aug 26 17:33:18 liblate isn't there [yet] Aug 26 17:33:20 clate just makes the queries and formats the data Aug 26 17:33:28 nor is the clate program Aug 26 17:33:28 :D Aug 26 17:33:34 ok, i really got to go, bb soon Aug 26 17:33:40 grr, fine :) Aug 26 17:33:45 way to tease me ;) Aug 26 17:33:53 using debian as the OS would seem to be more mainline than OE, thats why im wondering Aug 26 17:34:12 it almost seems to preemt it actually Aug 26 17:34:19 Dave, cat /dev/ttySAC1 is mostly giving no output Aug 26 17:34:24 huh? Aug 26 17:34:32 kushal, do you have tangogps installed? Aug 26 17:34:36 Dave, yes Aug 26 17:34:40 start it! Aug 26 17:34:41 use it! Aug 26 17:34:44 enjoy it! Aug 26 17:34:51 kushal: which distro are you using? Aug 26 17:34:58 zorkman, shush :p Aug 26 17:34:59 if you're using 2008.8, you need to enable GPS Aug 26 17:35:01 Dave, I can see OSM maps Aug 26 17:35:07 Zorkman, how ? Aug 26 17:35:08 kushal what does it tell you? Aug 26 17:35:28 kushal: if you're using 2008.8: settings --> GPS Aug 26 17:35:44 set zorkman on Aug 26 17:36:24 I don't know which build it is, but first I have to find the settings menu :p Aug 26 17:36:46 kushal: if you haven't flashed it, ignore what I said Aug 26 17:37:29 Zorkman, I never did, but the guy who gave me did couple of times Aug 26 17:38:19 ok kushyal, does your interface look like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3361178bfba7dd80adb383d4908c280d.png? Aug 26 17:38:24 I can see only "Calculator,GPS and Map,Htop, Take Snapshot,Terminal,Zhone" apps Aug 26 17:38:27 -? Aug 26 17:38:49 let me check the link Aug 26 17:38:58 Zorkman, no Aug 26 17:39:00 I'm guessing you have FSO Aug 26 17:39:05 I have to go eat now Aug 26 17:39:34 sweet Aug 26 17:39:45 don't eat lint Aug 26 17:39:46 or me :) Aug 26 17:39:51 haha oh man, that'd be scary Aug 26 17:39:55 ieatdave Aug 26 17:39:56 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 17:40:03 I think that title is reserved for my significant other ;) Aug 26 17:40:17 Dave, sorry to ask like so noob, but can you help me on this ? Aug 26 17:41:09 Is GPS turned on? Aug 26 17:41:16 Dave, no idea Aug 26 17:41:21 Dave, Zorkman http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/756bcea4bf6aab4b35bfe7a2db699912.png Aug 26 17:41:24 my screen Aug 26 17:41:30 ps aux | grep gpsd Aug 26 17:41:43 kushal, what page is that on? Aug 26 17:41:46 (scap) Aug 26 17:41:50 kushal: you are running the FSO image Aug 26 17:41:55 Dave, home Aug 26 17:41:56 oh Aug 26 17:41:57 Tig|, ok Aug 26 17:42:02 uhh Aug 26 17:42:04 milestone2 by the look of it :) Aug 26 17:42:06 Dave, gpsd is not running Aug 26 17:42:06 does fso even use GPSD? Aug 26 17:42:23 Dave: nope don't think so Aug 26 17:42:24 There are fso-specific instructions on the tangogps website. Aug 26 17:42:32 :) Aug 26 17:42:37 it does it via dbus and magicness Aug 26 17:43:05 frameworkd Aug 26 17:43:08 right Aug 26 17:43:21 kushal, go to http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/7-Installation.html#extended and scroll down to the special installation notes for FSO Aug 26 17:43:24 that should help you :) Aug 26 17:43:38 TangoGPS says "I would like the GPS please" and stuff happens (tm) and it works (from an end user perspective) :) Aug 26 17:43:54 heh, cute :) Aug 26 17:43:54 * Tig| likes it a lot Aug 26 17:43:55 Dave, thanks, let me check it Aug 26 17:43:55 yeah Aug 26 17:44:04 kushal, after doing that, using tangogps should be fine Aug 26 17:44:16 but to get a fix, you might need to step outside for a moment :) Aug 26 17:44:49 or sling a gps external antenna out the window :) Aug 26 17:45:25 ok Aug 26 17:45:33 I bought one for £5 as I was fed up of getting wet when playing with the gps apps :) Aug 26 17:45:46 Can someone help me get mofi working? http://pastebin.ca/1185478 Aug 26 17:47:32 Dave, Tig| I am getting error on opkg install http://rafb.net/p/pAzjkO90.html Aug 26 17:48:37 kushal: ignore the signature check errors. opkg error 2 usually means that it can't find the package you asked for in the feeds Aug 26 17:48:42 kushal is it possible that you cannot ping to google as name for example, then your resolv.conf is not correct Aug 26 17:49:05 this is not suprising though as by default the fso image does not have any feeds configured in it Aug 26 17:49:14 tamin, I can ping Aug 26 17:49:30 Tig|, how to configure feeds ? Aug 26 17:49:35 I have been away for couple of weeks so I don't know if there even are any set up at the moment Aug 26 17:50:02 someone will hopefully come along and correct me Aug 26 17:50:14 anyone please :) Aug 26 17:51:05 you need to edit the opkg config files which are (iirc) in /etc/opkg but I don't think there are any feeds for the fso for other software Aug 26 17:52:12 Tig|, no , not there Aug 26 17:52:32 Tig|, can I point it to some gpsd*.ipk file on internet ? Aug 26 17:53:27 what is the microsd card /dev ? Aug 26 17:54:02 Tig|, btw, what is FSO ? Aug 26 17:55:14 Tig|, kushal: there are feeds for FSO Aug 26 17:55:32 Zorkman, link ? Aug 26 17:55:48 Zorkman, thanks for saying that :) Aug 26 17:56:17 http://shr.bearstech.com/ Aug 26 17:56:25 there is a testing and an unstable branch Aug 26 17:56:31 !ping Aug 26 17:56:31 pong Aug 26 17:56:39 if you're not a developper I would suggest the testing branch :) Aug 26 17:56:43 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 17:57:00 I am strictly not for OpenMoko Aug 26 17:57:31 hi Aug 26 17:57:45 anything ground breaking new since yesterday? Aug 26 17:57:58 yep Aug 26 17:58:04 the local market has coke on sale Aug 26 17:58:06 zedstar: if the files are compiled, would you be so kind as to PM me? Aug 26 17:58:10 loo bumbl Aug 26 17:58:21 Zorkman, so I should make a file like fso-feed.conf Aug 26 17:58:24 and inside Aug 26 17:58:27 bumbl: yes: the devs STILL don't get we want a usable keyboard :) Aug 26 17:58:55 ieatlint: oh my god, what an advantage Aug 26 17:59:01 bumbl: and my ps3 controller still doesn't swork, but zedstar is compiling something :) Aug 26 17:59:11 bumbl, hell yeah, economy of scale! Aug 26 17:59:12 ^^ Aug 26 17:59:20 src/gz all http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ Aug 26 17:59:54 Zorkman, can you please help me with the syntax of the file ? Aug 26 17:59:57 anyone else here using nextbus? Aug 26 18:00:09 kushal: sec Aug 26 18:00:23 zorkman np....it is still building the first one Aug 26 18:01:18 kushal:create a .conf file and add lines like this: Aug 26 18:01:18 src/gz fso-om-gta02 http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/om-gta02 Aug 26 18:01:48 ok, done Aug 26 18:02:55 anybody got accelerometers running on 2007.2? Aug 26 18:03:11 Zorkman, update is giving error http://rafb.net/p/UIf4m273.html Aug 26 18:03:40 * bumbl raises the hand Aug 26 18:03:56 bumbl: how?? Aug 26 18:03:59 has anyone else been unable to launch mofi? Aug 26 18:04:05 Zorkman: I have run that demo script and got data back from them Aug 26 18:04:12 I remember someone from yesterday said he couldn't but then other people said that they could Aug 26 18:04:20 Zorkman: I used a patched version of neod Aug 26 18:04:24 Daenyth: only in 2008.8, but after doing somet hings it worked Aug 26 18:04:49 bumbl: that patched version made my FR unbootable a while ago... Aug 26 18:04:53 oh Aug 26 18:05:03 ahh Aug 26 18:05:18 I haven't used 2007.2 for a while Aug 26 18:06:11 Zorkman: does anything work with 2007.2? Aug 26 18:06:23 I mean Aug 26 18:06:30 Daenyth: on the whole everything works better than on 2008.8 exept acelerometers Aug 26 18:06:32 it doesn't even launch, it says that it can't load the cairo module Aug 26 18:06:41 Zorkman, no gpsd package Aug 26 18:06:43 Daenyth: never had that problem... Aug 26 18:06:51 Zorkman: really? Everything I've read says that 2008 isn't suitable for an everyday phone Aug 26 18:07:03 blah, I just spent hours customizing this flash! Aug 26 18:07:32 the uboot console will make me totally crazy ! 10 times that I try to edit a boot entry, and each time I get a 1 char difference between my typing and the display Aug 26 18:07:54 and this lead to a random char lost in the line Aug 26 18:07:59 is this "normal" ? Aug 26 18:08:38 Zorkman, what should I do know ? (sorry for disturbing so much) Aug 26 18:09:38 there is a gpsd-conf package should I install that ? Aug 26 18:09:50 * Zorkman is on the phone Aug 26 18:10:37 oh Aug 26 18:10:39 ok Aug 26 18:11:36 uhm Aug 26 18:11:48 why do the supposed 2007.2 images have 2008 in their names? Aug 26 18:11:58 transylvania: try the "neocon" terminal program in the OM SVN tree - it has an option to add a per-character delay Aug 26 18:12:13 how many batteries are inside the stylus? Aug 26 18:12:26 Daenyth: 4 Aug 26 18:12:32 ok good Aug 26 18:12:35 which way do they go :/ Aug 26 18:12:43 I was playing with it and opened it up by accident Aug 26 18:12:52 hehe Aug 26 18:13:13 + toward the lights or pen tip? Aug 26 18:13:29 any insight which milestone of the fso stack should be used? Aug 26 18:13:58 + toward pen tip Aug 26 18:13:59 ok Aug 26 18:14:01 heh Aug 26 18:15:00 kushal: FSO works with gypsy Aug 26 18:15:05 hello all Aug 26 18:15:17 Zorkman, means ? Aug 26 18:15:22 I got a quick question... how can I set the proxy so I can use opkg behind a proxy Aug 26 18:15:38 kushal: that i do not now if you need gpsd :) Aug 26 18:15:49 It's been a long while since i used FSO and have never tested GPS on it Aug 26 18:15:51 ok so Aug 26 18:15:59 Zorkman, any insight which fso milestone should be working best? Aug 26 18:16:31 Zorkman, from where I can install gpsd, it is not there (the link you gave) Aug 26 18:16:32 Can someone tell me which /dev entry is the microsd card? I have mmcblk0p1 at /media/card, but it's tiny. Nowhere near 256mb Aug 26 18:17:00 /dev/mmcblk0p1 8.3M 46.0k 8.3M 1% /media/card Aug 26 18:17:01 /dev/mmcblk0 is the whole card Aug 26 18:17:10 that's the only partition Aug 26 18:17:33 use 'fdisk /dev/mmcblk0' to repartition it Aug 26 18:17:34 Daenyth: looks like you tried booting from SD, the wiki suggests making a 8MB first partition to put the kernel on it Aug 26 18:17:37 I was mistaken when I tried to install qtopia and formatted the card, I thought that I had remade the original partition, but I must have done something wrong Aug 26 18:17:58 moment Aug 26 18:18:36 ok Aug 26 18:18:39 Zorkman, thanks for ignoring! :P Aug 26 18:18:43 primary or logical partition Aug 26 18:18:54 because when I did logical I used the defaults and that was the size it made Aug 26 18:19:06 err Aug 26 18:19:09 s/logical/primary/ Aug 26 18:19:28 s/logical/extended/ Aug 26 18:19:34 but anybody got an idea how to set the proxy settings? Aug 26 18:20:32 I've only ever used primary partitions. It's also a good idea to blank out the start of the card before partitioning it, e.g. "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1024 count=1". Also make sure that none of the SD-card partitions are mounted when you do this Aug 26 18:21:06 Zorkman, ok, package name, and many file names changed Aug 26 18:21:28 mmontour: why blank it like that? Aug 26 18:22:56 One time I had a card with some cruft in the first sector, and the automounter tried to mount /dev/mmcblk0 as a VFAT filesystem even after I had partitioned it Aug 26 18:23:15 /join #openlinksys.info Aug 26 18:24:02 how to turn on the GPS hardware ? Aug 26 18:24:28 mmontour: that fixed it, thanks. It was somehow misreading the end of the device Aug 26 18:25:04 fdisk thought that the device ended after 8mb Aug 26 18:25:05 :P Aug 26 18:25:32 if someone can help me, I try to boot on qtopia image with kernel on the same partition. My kernel is on the sdcard at /uImage.bin and the boot loader says it can't find it (my menu entry is exactly the "Boot entry for kernel and rootfs on same ext2 partition (tested with Qtopia/requires newer u-boot) Aug 26 18:25:49 from the wiki and I have a new uBoot Aug 26 18:26:38 mmontour: but now it says the card is 468MB? Aug 26 18:26:39 huh Aug 26 18:26:50 is the ext3 overhead REALLY that much? Aug 26 18:26:56 (and should I pick another fs)? Aug 26 18:27:10 Daenyth: ext2 doesnt have journal ;] Aug 26 18:27:26 (and its yournal that eating your space) Aug 26 18:27:30 +s Aug 26 18:27:30 hmm Aug 26 18:27:50 what fs would get me the most space with acceptable reliability? Aug 26 18:28:04 ext2 Aug 26 18:28:07 ok Aug 26 18:28:18 Daenyth: you repartitioned your card? Aug 26 18:28:29 yes Aug 26 18:28:36 but I don't think the journal can take that much space Aug 26 18:28:43 Daenyth: better make 2 partitions Aug 26 18:28:48 torindel: why Aug 26 18:28:58 maybe you have something wrong with your partition Daenyth Aug 26 18:29:04 hrm Aug 26 18:29:05 maybe Aug 26 18:29:06 Daenyth: since glamo tends to eat first one along with partition table at suspend Aug 26 18:29:11 Zorkman, even http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/ is not having a gpsd package Aug 26 18:29:13 I redid it as ext2 and it's still tiny Aug 26 18:29:18 glamo? Aug 26 18:29:22 try to print your actual partition table Aug 26 18:29:29 Daenyth: graphics controller Aug 26 18:29:38 sd-card is hooked unto it Aug 26 18:29:48 ok.. Aug 26 18:30:04 make first one as small as you can and dont keep anything on it Aug 26 18:30:06 can someone give me a step by step on how to restore it to the default which was shipped to me? Aug 26 18:30:25 Daenyth, you mean OM 2007,2? Aug 26 18:30:27 Daenyth: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 26 18:30:29 yes Aug 26 18:30:32 Flash it Aug 26 18:30:42 hr Aug 26 18:30:46 with what though Aug 26 18:30:56 this is the sd card, not rootfs Aug 26 18:31:12 heh Aug 26 18:31:16 Daenyth: om 2007.2 is on rootfs Aug 26 18:31:25 no no Aug 26 18:31:26 yups Aug 26 18:31:28 Daenyth: look for "freerunner release software" on wiki Aug 26 18:31:37 I want to recreate the sd card partition as it was when it got sent to me Aug 26 18:31:40 oh if is shipped 2007.2 is on the rootfs ;) Aug 26 18:31:41 I messed it up somehow Aug 26 18:31:47 ahh Aug 26 18:31:48 the sd card Aug 26 18:31:49 I made it as big as I could and it's only 468mb Aug 26 18:31:58 yes that why I said: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 26 18:32:07 then delete everything Aug 26 18:32:13 done Aug 26 18:32:30 is "p" output empty ? Aug 26 18:32:32 yes Aug 26 18:32:39 so create a partition Aug 26 18:32:43 mmk Aug 26 18:32:45 a single one Aug 26 18:32:46 np11? Aug 26 18:32:53 np1 Aug 26 18:33:12 starting at what cylinder Aug 26 18:33:17 first Aug 26 18:33:20 (default) Aug 26 18:33:24 done Aug 26 18:33:29 and ending at last (default) Aug 26 18:33:34 Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-15484, default 15484): Aug 26 18:33:39 transylvania: that's what I did Aug 26 18:33:42 and it's 468mb Aug 26 18:33:50 and that's wrong Aug 26 18:33:55 \o/ Aug 26 18:34:00 victory :) Aug 26 18:34:09 wrong ? Aug 26 18:34:13 transylvania: I did the same thing before I did the dd line, and the last cylinder was at 8mb Aug 26 18:34:23 transylvania: after I messed up the partition I tried to remake it Aug 26 18:34:33 last cylinder was at 8.3mb Aug 26 18:34:41 maybe you did not destroyed all partition Aug 26 18:34:46 I did Aug 26 18:35:11 don't forget to write partition table before exiting Aug 26 18:35:13 the cylinders went from 1-983 or so Aug 26 18:35:29 * mmontour rants at how "C/H/S" geometry refuses to die, decades after it was actually relevant Aug 26 18:35:33 and after I zero'd it with dd as mmontour suggested last cylinder went to 15484 Aug 26 18:35:38 which still isn't the real last one Aug 26 18:35:49 maybe I should just zero the whole block device? Aug 26 18:36:08 I'am not sure of that Aug 26 18:36:31 for me I would try but I do not advise it Aug 26 18:36:38 I'm trying it already Aug 26 18:36:39 can't hurt Aug 26 18:36:47 normally Aug 26 18:36:57 so I have to eat Aug 26 18:37:00 later Aug 26 18:37:04 Daenyth: "cat /proc/partitions" after you've fdisked it, compare the sizes of mmcblk0 and mmcblk0p1. Also make sure you're not confusing MB (*1000) with MiB (*1024) Aug 26 18:37:32 will try later for my qtopia kernel problem Aug 26 18:37:45 but I log if anyone as an idea Aug 26 18:37:58 Zorkman, somehow I managed to install and then start gpsd , showing in ps Aug 26 18:38:10 Dave, Zorkman what next ? Aug 26 18:38:28 But again my question maybe you know that transylvania? Aug 26 18:38:38 i need to set the proxy settings on my openmoko device Aug 26 18:38:41 any idea? Aug 26 18:38:43 mmontour: alright, I will. From what I remember the partition differed <100B Aug 26 18:38:59 mmontour: and even accounting for MB/MiB; 512->468? Aug 26 18:39:58 512000000 / 1024 / 1024 = 488 MiB Aug 26 18:40:14 so where did the other 20mb go Aug 26 18:40:22 on ext2 Aug 26 18:40:56 Filesystem overhead (inode tables, etc.) probaby Aug 26 18:41:01 that much? Aug 26 18:41:01 wow Aug 26 18:41:15 Dunno, can't be bothered to do the math Aug 26 18:41:35 there's this thing called reserved blocks Aug 26 18:42:58 where the hell did Zorkman go :( Aug 26 18:44:30 hrm Aug 26 18:44:30 ok Aug 26 18:45:39 so you said to make partition 1 small as possible? Aug 26 18:45:48 anyone here running deb? Aug 26 18:45:49 can I make it 1 cylinder in size? Aug 26 18:45:52 on the phone Aug 26 18:46:19 I think I am not being able to turn on the GPS hardware Aug 26 18:47:07 Zorkman was in the tub Aug 26 18:47:11 now he's back phrozen77 Aug 26 18:48:35 anybody have a build environment for gta02 that is idling? Aug 26 18:48:37 all shiny i notice Aug 26 18:48:41 so Aug 26 18:48:46 which fso milestone should one use? Aug 26 18:48:54 phrozen77: the latest of cource Aug 26 18:48:55 RECCAMENDASHUNS PLS Aug 26 18:49:04 2 unless 3 is out Aug 26 18:49:05 *course Aug 26 18:49:18 hm Aug 26 18:49:25 phrozen77: and you can upgrade them with te feeds from bearstech Aug 26 18:49:30 after using 2008.8 i wasnt entirely convinced of that concept Aug 26 18:50:09 a friendly note to the OM devs: IT JUST SUCK KTHX Aug 26 18:50:16 s/SUCK/SUCKS/ Aug 26 18:50:16 phrozen77 meant: a friendly note to the OM devs: IT JUST SUCKS KTHX Aug 26 18:50:21 Dave: do you know anyone who has Battle for Wesnoth running on the FR? Aug 26 18:50:24 there you go Aug 26 18:50:35 kthx? Aug 26 18:50:55 Davey Aug 26 18:51:25 anyone know how to get wirelesstools to deb install? i can scp..but not sure which package to use? Aug 26 18:53:01 * phrozen77 makes a lightshow with his wndrfl pen Aug 26 18:53:12 undrwater: apt-cache search wireless or something like that Aug 26 18:53:51 Battle for Wesnoth? Aug 26 18:53:59 yeah, someone mentionned it on the ML Aug 26 18:54:11 kushal, did you get everything working? Aug 26 18:54:25 "I don't think it would be trivial Aug 26 18:54:25 to implement it for other (ported) apps like, say, Battle for Wesnoth Aug 26 18:54:25 or Numpty Physics Aug 26 18:54:26 " Aug 26 18:54:32 Dave, no :( Aug 26 18:54:43 Dave, I turned the unit off Aug 26 18:54:55 now trying to on it Aug 26 18:55:01 which I can not :( Aug 26 18:55:39 Dave, in which distribution GPS works properly ? Aug 26 18:55:39 kushal, oh okay Aug 26 18:55:41 huh? Aug 26 18:55:45 kushal, eh? Aug 26 18:55:50 kushal: 2007.2 and 2008.8 Aug 26 18:55:56 I'm sure it works in fso Aug 26 18:55:59 kushal: but it shoud also work in FSO Aug 26 18:56:05 he just needs to have someone hold his hand the first time :) Aug 26 18:56:13 Zorkman, ok, let me try to install 2008.8 Aug 26 18:56:18 is there any way to directly call ACM modem ( it might not be right way to call this , like when you connect a USB phone to linux ) , Gprs manual says it is ttySAC0 but it does not answer to ATZ Aug 26 18:56:43 kushal: you can always install another distro on you SD card, that way you don't lose your FSO distro Aug 26 18:56:45 hm Aug 26 18:56:52 with tangogps is there a way I can cache maps in /tmp, but also have stored maps elsewhere Aug 26 18:56:55 or you can just get fso to work Aug 26 18:56:59 2007.2 fails registering with gsm, so did 2008.8 Aug 26 18:57:03 im beginning to worry Aug 26 18:57:03 so that I can keep the tiles I want in non-volatile memory Aug 26 18:57:10 the factory default 2007.2 did that just fine Aug 26 18:57:11 Why would you encourage someone to install 2008.8? Aug 26 18:57:11 O_O Aug 26 18:57:13 Zorkman, Dave first I have to turn this unit on Aug 26 18:57:20 while not wasting space on the tiles I don't want Aug 26 18:57:20 :) Aug 26 18:57:21 good idea Aug 26 18:57:25 any way to do that? Aug 26 18:57:30 kushal, hold the power button in for ten seconds Aug 26 18:57:38 then release, it should be powering on by then :) Aug 26 18:57:41 is there a way to restart gsm? Aug 26 18:57:50 Daenyth: yes; you can add another repository in the config tab Aug 26 18:57:51 oh Aug 26 18:57:51 wow Aug 26 18:57:56 after 5 minutes it registered Aug 26 18:57:57 :D Aug 26 18:58:03 * Dave claps weakly Aug 26 18:58:09 * phrozen77 spanks Dave Aug 26 18:58:11 there you go Aug 26 18:58:16 Zorkman: but then will I have to switch between them? Aug 26 18:58:41 malik1972: thanks...that's from the FR? Aug 26 18:59:01 dave, not working :( Aug 26 18:59:11 huh? Aug 26 18:59:13 It won't turn on? Aug 26 18:59:23 kushal connect it to a power source, it should turn on automatically. Aug 26 18:59:25 no Aug 26 19:00:57 kushal, remove battery Aug 26 19:00:59 had that too Aug 26 19:01:07 phrozen77, ok Aug 26 19:01:08 and plug it back in again Aug 26 19:02:11 phrozen77, ok, it is booting :) Aug 26 19:02:22 good Aug 26 19:02:26 make sure to charge your battery Aug 26 19:02:28 :P Aug 26 19:02:35 in office they call it brokenmoko :( Aug 26 19:02:44 :D Aug 26 19:02:46 Yay Aug 26 19:02:49 Dave, it is almost charged Aug 26 19:02:53 Dave: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html Aug 26 19:02:58 I'm going to see if that domain is available :D Aug 26 19:03:03 zorkman, huh? Aug 26 19:03:03 "I cross compiled wesnoth for arm to run on the neo1973 under openmoko linux. Aug 26 19:03:10 so? Aug 26 19:03:21 dunno, normally you are interested in new games for the FR :) Aug 26 19:03:34 I don't even know what the game is Aug 26 19:04:07 me neither, but the cat's pyama's think it's the bee's knees Aug 26 19:04:18 pijamas? Aug 26 19:04:18 lmao Aug 26 19:04:23 turn based game, also online mode Aug 26 19:04:24 -_- Aug 26 19:04:30 sounds like a civ ripoff then? :P Aug 26 19:04:44 no, totally different Aug 26 19:04:54 fantasy theme Aug 26 19:05:06 Build up a great army of humans, elves, dwarves, orcs, trolls or any of the other races and beat those who dare to oppose you. Fight a desperate battle to reclaim the throne of Wesnoth, or take hand in any number of other adventures Aug 26 19:05:20 you know, the usual :) Aug 26 19:05:22 o_O Aug 26 19:05:25 blah Aug 26 19:05:30 I'd rather play D&D :) Aug 26 19:05:43 it's the closest we got so far... Aug 26 19:05:48 bah Aug 26 19:05:49 slackers Aug 26 19:06:41 Installing libxdamage1 (1:1.1.1-r1) to root... Aug 26 19:06:47 that doesnt sound...good Aug 26 19:06:48 O_o Aug 26 19:07:01 Hey =) Aug 26 19:07:15 JUCS Aug 26 19:07:28 phrozen: QUAD DAMAGE! Aug 26 19:07:30 HUMILIATION! Aug 26 19:07:33 ya rly Aug 26 19:07:43 DAVE xD Aug 26 19:07:49 ;-) Aug 26 19:08:00 :) Aug 26 19:08:10 sausage fest? Aug 26 19:08:15 :) Aug 26 19:08:20 zorkman u have an ipk of westnoth? Aug 26 19:08:32 os some package Aug 26 19:08:42 no, it seems only this guy https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html got it compiled and it ran nice Aug 26 19:09:03 grrr Aug 26 19:09:07 only the loading times were long Aug 26 19:09:14 (not as long as booting our phone though :)) Aug 26 19:09:32 well Aug 26 19:09:37 slaxxin: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/CompilingWesnoth/CrossCompiling Aug 26 19:10:55 crosscompile me some lunch Aug 26 19:11:45 grrr it seemed rabenfrost dudes got it Aug 26 19:11:45 can the phone receive calls while suspended? Aug 26 19:12:04 and how in 2007.2 can I configure the power stuff Aug 26 19:12:08 I can't figure out how to set the times Aug 26 19:13:05 Zorkman, Dave I am trying to install 2008.8 Aug 26 19:13:07 i think u hold the aux Aug 26 19:13:13 I formatted the card Aug 26 19:13:43 slaxxin: no... not power either Aug 26 19:13:47 power you can set the profile Aug 26 19:13:48 I did before " Populate SD card" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD page Aug 26 19:13:48 kushal: are you following the instructions on the wiki? Aug 26 19:13:49 the clock is on the getting started with freerunner wiki Aug 26 19:13:58 but I can't figure out how to change the suspend time Aug 26 19:13:58 Zorkman, yes, what to do next ? Aug 26 19:14:07 it seems to have remembered my suspend settings from qtopia somehow Aug 26 19:14:12 kushal: a hint: use FAT and ext2, that way you don't have to edit your u-boot (if it is up to date) Aug 26 19:14:19 Zorkman, did Aug 26 19:14:33 Zorkman, I finished partitioning Aug 26 19:14:45 Zorkman, after that what should I do? I am confused Aug 26 19:14:54 ok, now you download the kernel and the rootfs file for the distro you want to install Aug 26 19:15:02 Zorkman, donwloading Aug 26 19:15:27 (you want http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/20080826-asu-stable-rootfs.tar.gz and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin) Aug 26 19:16:04 what gui tool can I use with 2007.2 to configure my suspend/dim/lock settings Aug 26 19:16:13 Daenyth: none Aug 26 19:16:20 Daenyth: you can press and hold the power button Aug 26 19:16:28 but that doesn't let me set when to do it Aug 26 19:16:31 can I do it from cli? Aug 26 19:16:34 and then you can chose some settings: dim, then lock etc etc Aug 26 19:16:54 I changed the setting in qtopia, and then reflashed back to 2007.2, and it remembered my setting Aug 26 19:17:20 (but it doesn't work right, if you select anything exept Power Managment Disabled it will suspend) Aug 26 19:17:21 yikes Aug 26 19:17:22 also, can it recieve calls while suspended Aug 26 19:17:44 AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Aug 26 19:17:47 Zorkman, downloading the links you gave Aug 26 19:17:48 (screams of joy) Aug 26 19:17:51 http://is.gd/1WgO Aug 26 19:18:17 anyone using the new 2008.8 stable image Aug 26 19:18:27 Zorkman: oh, wesnoth runs nice? Aug 26 19:18:49 Zorkman: btw, debian/armel has prebuilt packages ;-) Aug 26 19:18:52 nyu: some said that, I haven't installed it because the ipk is no longer on the rabenfrost.net server Aug 26 19:18:52 I'm gonna use a chroot Aug 26 19:19:04 nyu: if you can make an ipk... :) Aug 26 19:19:10 tunys: congrats! you got me all excited tho :( Aug 26 19:19:20 Zorkman: I'm a debian devel! I do debian-ish things Aug 26 19:19:42 but ipk-based system is fine for my daily phone needs Aug 26 19:19:44 * tunys forces undrwater to watch high-definition footage of really really old people swimming Aug 26 19:19:50 nyu: are you running deb on your phone? Aug 26 19:20:02 undrwater: no, om2007 Aug 26 19:20:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Today-main-arrows.png <<-- is this 2008.8? Aug 26 19:20:24 * undrwater looks into the pool in his back yard..."been there, done that" Aug 26 19:20:53 Daenyth: no Aug 26 19:21:15 that was a 2007.1 or previous Aug 26 19:21:22 the gui looked nice but was slooow Aug 26 19:21:33 oh Aug 26 19:21:55 New update of 2008.8 today? Aug 26 19:21:58 so with 2007.2, is there ANY way to configure power? Aug 26 19:22:19 aside from the power-button menu Aug 26 19:22:27 Veggen: yesterday Aug 26 19:22:37 a new rootfs was released Aug 26 19:23:14 Veggen: power indicator works... Aug 26 19:23:15 bumbl: hmm. more stability/usability? I have a quite new freerunner, not really chosen what distro to run yet. Aug 26 19:23:24 Veggen: a little snappier Aug 26 19:23:28 dunno Aug 26 19:23:46 Veggen: still no terminal Aug 26 19:24:18 I crashed it because I did an upgrade using the angstorm, celtune, zecke repositories and die an opkg upgrade Aug 26 19:24:23 *kabum* Aug 26 19:24:27 no terminal? And can't install it after the fact? Aug 26 19:24:33 Veggen: still bad keyboard...(anyone know if raster's KB is a package? Aug 26 19:24:41 Veggen: you can... Aug 26 19:24:41 if u want a terminal you are on your own Aug 26 19:25:01 duh. It's Linux. Of course I want a terminal ;) Aug 26 19:25:30 then why do these releases not have a termilal? Aug 26 19:25:42 phone-centric maybe? Aug 26 19:25:47 u got to install that too? Aug 26 19:25:53 you are three clicks away from a terminal Aug 26 19:25:54 ssh works after suspend :) Aug 26 19:26:00 well Aug 26 19:27:05 maybe i justneed to install some linux to start with Aug 26 19:32:36 Zorkman, both the files downloaded to my lappy Aug 26 19:32:38 now ? Aug 26 19:32:51 have you formatted the partitions? Aug 26 19:32:56 yes Aug 26 19:33:25 ok, on the FR: mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/mokokernel Aug 26 19:34:09 done Aug 26 19:34:18 on your host: scp 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin root@192.168.0.202:/mnt/mokokernel/uImage.bin Aug 26 19:34:43 not sure if that works though...maybe you have to scp 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin root@192.168.0.202:/mnt/mokokernel/ Aug 26 19:34:58 and on the fr rename the file 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin to uImage.bin Aug 26 19:35:11 should work Aug 26 19:35:26 afterwards on the FR: mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/moko Aug 26 19:35:27 Zorkman, done upto that Aug 26 19:35:50 first I have to create /mnt/moko Aug 26 19:35:55 yes indeed Aug 26 19:36:15 done Aug 26 19:36:22 now you only have to untar everything from your tar.gz file to that directory Aug 26 19:36:43 Zorkman, first I should copy it there Aug 26 19:36:56 may be to /tmp and then untar ? Aug 26 19:37:11 put it anywhere you want, you can just rm it afterwards Aug 26 19:37:18 guys i need a help , does your /dev/ttySAC0 responses to ATZ ? Aug 26 19:37:40 Zoup_: give me a command i'll try Aug 26 19:38:17 Zoup_: and is this with gpsd? or does it matter? Aug 26 19:38:32 undrwater: without gspd i guess Aug 26 19:38:49 undrwater: cat /dev/ttySAC0 on a terminal , echo "atz" > /dev/ttySAC0 on another Aug 26 19:39:09 Zoup_: so i'll need 2 terminals open Aug 26 19:39:29 :) Aug 26 19:40:15 undrwater: yes :) Aug 26 19:40:50 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e659abf4366 10/classes/ (rootfs_ipk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [rootfs_?pk.bbclass] add -force-defaults to _ARGS to stop asking Aug 26 19:40:52 nothing ;) Aug 26 19:41:13 undrwater: and does your provider provides GPRS ? Aug 26 19:41:44 yes...but i'm not using it Aug 26 19:42:32 undrwater: thank you pal :) Aug 26 19:42:38 Anyone has experience on GPRS with FR ? Aug 26 19:43:20 Zoup_: there is some gprs stuff on the wiki, not used it yet Aug 26 19:43:23 sorry i couldn't be more help...but isn't ttySAC0 gps? Aug 26 19:43:35 SAC0 is GSM IIRC Aug 26 19:43:39 undrwater: yes iirc Aug 26 19:44:01 as on 2007/8 you need to put it in gpsd.conf Aug 26 19:44:13 Tig|: sorry put what ? Aug 26 19:45:00 Tig|: do i need to create interface for gprs under gprd.conf ? Aug 26 19:45:00 and do i need gpsd in order to use gprs ? Aug 26 19:45:11 gpsd is for the GPS Aug 26 19:45:18 the thing that tells you where you are. Aug 26 19:45:32 Zoup_ is looking for gprs i think...as opposed to gps Aug 26 19:45:45 ShellEvil: hehe , nice thing , so where is Gprs device ? Aug 26 19:45:59 ShellEvil: the thing that i can sent ATZ and expect OK ? :) Aug 26 19:46:05 anyone has a build environment that is idling and is willing to compile a *.c file? Aug 26 19:46:38 not idling ^^' Aug 26 19:46:44 bsd: it is if you're generating it tyo feed back to the mains. Aug 26 19:46:46 ioops Aug 26 19:47:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS Aug 26 19:47:09 Zorkman, done Aug 26 19:47:11 yeah - it's TTYSAC1 Aug 26 19:47:14 next step Aug 26 19:47:14 tty Aug 26 19:47:19 kushal: reboot and try it out :p Aug 26 19:47:28 Zorkman, ok, let me try Aug 26 19:47:39 kushal: shut down the phone, then press power and hold it and then press aux and hold it Aug 26 19:48:00 kushal: is your u-boot up to date? Aug 26 19:48:06 Zorkman, no idea Aug 26 19:48:12 in that case first flash it :) Aug 26 19:48:24 Zorkman, how ? Aug 26 19:48:48 kushil: download http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin on your host pc Aug 26 19:49:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner explains how to flash Aug 26 19:49:19 you will need http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util Aug 26 19:49:55 you will shut down your phone, and then boot into NOR (press and hold aux, the npress and hold power) Aug 26 19:50:09 Zorkman, which one is aux ? Aug 26 19:50:27 kushal: not the power button, the other one Aug 26 19:50:29 then you will connect the usb cable and on your host: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Aug 26 19:50:56 kushal: when you are facing the neo, on the left side Aug 26 19:51:03 ok Aug 26 19:51:53 (if you don't press a button after 60s or something like that it will shut itself down, if that is the case you just reboot into NOR) Aug 26 19:52:10 ok Aug 26 19:52:14 let me try Aug 26 19:53:58 wow a real boot screen Aug 26 19:54:04 s/screen/menu Aug 26 19:56:02 Zorkman, I just tried to boot from SD card , it did Aug 26 19:56:30 What config file to edi to disable the insane suspend timeout on the latest images? Aug 26 19:56:44 use exposure Aug 26 19:56:50 expowhat? Aug 26 19:56:57 the settings program Aug 26 19:57:01 congratulations kushal Aug 26 19:57:04 The exposure.py that does nothing? Aug 26 19:57:28 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f6835b2fc10 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [bluez-utils-alsa] uprev and sync with OE Aug 26 19:57:28 Zorkman, thank you , now the second part tangogps Aug 26 19:57:34 Zorkman, thank you , now the second part tangogps:p Aug 26 19:57:34 the exposure.py that configures everything Aug 26 19:57:44 When I click on exposure nothing happens Aug 26 19:57:49 if it does nothing you don't use an actual image Aug 26 19:57:54 ANd neither it does when I run it from screen Aug 26 19:58:12 Yes, there is no tar image for Neo 1973, so I compiled my own Aug 26 19:58:29 kushal: first see if you can connect to the internet through your FR Aug 26 19:58:38 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 19:59:02 ahh Aug 26 19:59:08 opkg upgrade'ing exposure doesn't do anything, though Aug 26 19:59:23 it might be that exposure is only intended to work on gta02 Aug 26 19:59:25 kushal: Aug 26 19:59:26 opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.3-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 26 19:59:26 echo GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" > /etc/default/gpsd Aug 26 19:59:40 oh, first install gpsd Aug 26 19:59:48 (opkg update && opkg install gpsd) Aug 26 20:00:14 Zorkman, it is telling Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 26 20:00:21 for opkg command Aug 26 20:00:28 kushal: did you open the graphical installer? :p Aug 26 20:00:37 close the graphical installer or run killall packagekitd Aug 26 20:00:50 Zorkman: Is there any way to close it without killing it Aug 26 20:01:20 alaba_cool: you click on the dropdown menu and then select "quit" but sometimles that doesn't work Aug 26 20:01:26 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 20:01:31 if it doesn't work... killing it is the only way i know Aug 26 20:01:41 * ShellEvil passes Zorkman a flamethower. Aug 26 20:01:59 thanks ShellEvil, I'm probably better at that than this FR stuff :) Aug 26 20:02:49 Zorkman, killed still telling the same Aug 26 20:02:58 hmm? Aug 26 20:03:15 now working Aug 26 20:04:42 Zorkman, upto echo GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" > /etc/default/gpsd done Aug 26 20:05:01 ok, fire up tangogps :p Aug 26 20:05:17 Zorkman, first /etc/init.d/gpsd start :p Aug 26 20:05:22 (if you installed gpsd also) Aug 26 20:06:13 Zorkman, the unit is connected to the laptop and the screen is black :( Aug 26 20:06:35 what do you mean the screen is black? nothing at all? Aug 26 20:06:40 yes Aug 26 20:06:42 that means your phone has gone in suspend Aug 26 20:06:46 hit the power button Aug 26 20:07:03 not working Aug 26 20:07:13 I am still connected to it Aug 26 20:07:14 press it for a few (2-3) seconds Aug 26 20:07:20 can I do it through command Aug 26 20:07:33 kushal: not that I know, normally my ssh breaks during suspend Aug 26 20:07:48 not working :( Aug 26 20:07:57 let me disconnect from ssh first Aug 26 20:08:08 ShellEvil: humm ... interesting , it says that chat scripts have to use : /dev/ttySAC0 , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS Aug 26 20:09:19 Zorkman, I hate to say that, but again I can not turn it on :( Aug 26 20:09:25 from suspend Aug 26 20:09:45 press power button for some more seconds :) Aug 26 20:09:48 5-6seconds? Aug 26 20:09:50 kushal: Did you try to press the AUX button? (Does gta02 have one? I'm not sure, but still) Aug 26 20:10:03 alaba_cool, tried Aug 26 20:10:07 Zorkman, yes Aug 26 20:11:34 does it work kushal? Aug 26 20:11:49 Zorkman, can I take out the battery and try to reboot ? Aug 26 20:11:51 no Aug 26 20:11:58 kushal: seems like there is no other option... Aug 26 20:12:22 when rebooted into 2008.8, go directly to settings, and then click on suspend (and set it to "off") Aug 26 20:12:32 ok Aug 26 20:12:36 it should have a function that it does not go in suspend when connected to usb... Aug 26 20:12:58 Zorkman, btw do I need to put any sim card ? Aug 26 20:13:33 you need it if you want to call :) it's up to you Aug 26 20:13:48 Zorkman, oh, ok , I don't need :P Aug 26 20:14:23 Zorkman, this whole process is going to be a big blog entry Aug 26 20:14:24 :) Aug 26 20:14:33 rebooting the FR Aug 26 20:16:21 Zorkman, suspend off, GPS on Aug 26 20:17:01 ok, fire up tangogps and enjoy :) Aug 26 20:17:25 If you want I can give you information how to add googlemaps :) Aug 26 20:18:00 if you ever figured it out :p Aug 26 20:18:13 wait last time couldn't install tango, need to install that first Aug 26 20:18:35 do not opkg install tangogps, this will give you an outdated version Aug 26 20:18:41 ok Aug 26 20:18:43 Dave: you do know i'm using googlemaps, no? Aug 26 20:18:52 meh Aug 26 20:18:55 doing from site Aug 26 20:19:49 to get some better maps edit your opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.3-r1_armv4t.ipk Aug 26 20:19:54 sorry, wrong copy paste Aug 26 20:19:56 * torindel just replaced usb hub cable to get miniusb Aug 26 20:20:03 edit your ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml Aug 26 20:20:20 kushal: and replace it with this one: http://pastebin.com/f1aae45d2 Aug 26 20:20:32 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 20:20:35 wow it even works ;] Aug 26 20:20:50 kushal: change PASSWORD on line 4 and YOURNAME on line 7 to use the friends option on tangogps Aug 26 20:21:19 * torindel moko: hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected ;] Aug 26 20:21:42 Zorkman, that is for google map ? Aug 26 20:22:22 for gogole maps, OSM, openaerial and maps-for-free Aug 26 20:22:28 GRR Aug 26 20:22:35 google terain is also in there but it doesn't work :( Aug 26 20:22:36 ok Aug 26 20:22:42 WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DOES RESTARTING SSHD DROP RUNNING CONNECTIONS Aug 26 20:22:47 >_< Aug 26 20:22:51 retard. Aug 26 20:22:56 :( Aug 26 20:23:00 Zorkman, that username password is for ? Aug 26 20:23:11 if you want to use the friend option of tangogps Aug 26 20:23:28 Zorkman, oh, not now, I don't have any, can I continue ? Aug 26 20:23:33 without them Aug 26 20:23:34 sure Aug 26 20:23:36 ok Aug 26 20:23:42 let me start tango gps Aug 26 20:23:49 I will allow you to do that :) Aug 26 20:23:56 lol Aug 26 20:24:26 phrozen77_: what ssh daemon ? Aug 26 20:24:34 dropbear Aug 26 20:24:35 ffs Aug 26 20:24:36 :( Aug 26 20:24:40 maybe that's the reason Aug 26 20:24:43 btw: tangogps looks ugly in 2008.8 without editing some gtk settings Aug 26 20:25:23 has anyone had their battery stop charging? Aug 26 20:25:44 my FR wont charge anymore and the battery sits at 3.1V Aug 26 20:26:41 hmm Aug 26 20:26:46 3rd run for opkg upgrade Aug 26 20:26:51 and it STILL updates pkgs Aug 26 20:27:18 does everybody else have their Call History with wrong times? seems to be LOCAL-OFFSET_FROM_UTC (instead of just LOCAL or just UTC-OFFSET) Aug 26 20:27:53 kushal: edit your - xthickness = 12 Aug 26 20:27:53 - ythickness = 12 Aug 26 20:27:53 + xthickness = 11 Aug 26 20:27:53 + ythickness = 11 Aug 26 20:27:59 grrr wrong cpy paste Aug 26 20:28:17 kushal: edit your /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to http://pastebin.com/f334ef873 Aug 26 20:28:32 Zorkman, it opened with OSM maps only Aug 26 20:28:34 and how can I test GPS now ? Aug 26 20:28:36 Zorkman, where ? Aug 26 20:29:02 Zorkman, is that normal? opkg upgrade still upgrades pkgs after the 3rd run? Aug 26 20:29:15 kushal: you can press config and then you can select a repository Aug 26 20:29:32 Zorkman, done Aug 26 20:29:41 YAY! Aug 26 20:29:41 phrozen77_: that seems strange... Aug 26 20:29:49 i got my shipment track id Aug 26 20:29:53 it's on it's way :) Aug 26 20:29:54 Zorkman, I can see OSM topo arial Aug 26 20:29:57 go TAsn! Aug 26 20:30:04 Zorkman, :) Aug 26 20:30:10 there's more time till i get it. Aug 26 20:30:13 but still :)))) Aug 26 20:30:19 Zorkman, my thoughts Aug 26 20:30:32 i expect it to simply tell me that everything is uptodate Aug 26 20:30:39 (time, measured in weeks that is, i still need my uncle to come visit) Aug 26 20:30:39 like apt-get does Aug 26 20:31:18 openmoko: 03zecke * r13101ab6ddae 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ficgta01] Fix phonebook init regression from 9971aa8a69e31057b0f02af43b4c20333a77f13e Aug 26 20:33:29 Zorkman, how can I test if the GPS is working or not ? Aug 26 20:33:52 kushal: http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/violetblue/archive/ Aug 26 20:33:54 err Aug 26 20:34:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS Aug 26 20:35:15 kushal: install openmoko-agps Aug 26 20:35:18 that is most effective Aug 26 20:35:22 you can also cat it Aug 26 20:35:59 Zorkman, error 2 Aug 26 20:36:12 kushal: can you ping google? Aug 26 20:37:25 let me try Aug 26 20:37:36 Zorkman, yes Aug 26 20:37:55 do opkg install openmoko-agpsui Aug 26 20:38:08 (i forgot to ad the "ui") Aug 26 20:38:12 doing Aug 26 20:38:49 done Aug 26 20:39:11 hello, can I emulate a gta02 using qemu? Aug 26 20:39:45 mokomakefile is keeping me back at gta01 Aug 26 20:40:15 afair no Aug 26 20:40:35 dgym_: there is a way but i don't know it Aug 26 20:40:56 Zorkman, it is showing uptime and only fails Aug 26 20:40:56 ShellEvil: Interesting paste error :-) Aug 26 20:41:10 ok, thanks Aug 26 20:41:12 kushal: probably because you are indoors? Aug 26 20:41:16 I think I should get out of house for few minutes Aug 26 20:41:28 Zorkman, ok, will be back after few minutes Aug 26 20:41:36 ok, good luck Aug 26 20:41:45 :) Aug 26 20:44:37 yo Aug 26 20:44:44 wazzup my nigga? Aug 26 20:44:50 chilling and dizz Aug 26 20:44:58 still can not get usb0 to work on debian Aug 26 20:44:58 hmm...as I suspected-- OM2007 and 2008.8 are fighting over who sets the time Aug 26 20:45:00 reinstalled Aug 26 20:45:18 benlake: "cd /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073" <- in that directory are various PMU/charger registers that you can inspect Aug 26 20:45:42 mmontour: I can't turn the device on Aug 26 20:46:25 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5f9fcbc6c665 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix Aug 26 20:46:50 3.1V should be enough to boot. Try: remove battery, wait few seconds, re-insert battery, hold Aux, plug in charger. See if you can get the NOR u-boot menu Aug 26 20:47:12 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r70424588006d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix Aug 26 20:47:13 mmontour: I have done these things :/ but I can try again Aug 26 20:47:40 whats the current kernel on 2007.2? Aug 26 20:47:49 after updating? Aug 26 20:47:56 mmontour: omfg, wtf Aug 26 20:48:13 benlake: if you run your battery dry better leave it tured off with charger turned on for some time Aug 26 20:48:17 mmontour: I just held aux and power for like 8 seconds and it woke up! Aug 26 20:48:28 hehe Aug 26 20:48:40 mmontour: it was sitting at the qtopia shutdown screen Aug 26 20:49:03 I messed with this thing for 30 minutes! argh. thanks guys :P Aug 26 20:49:08 hmm Aug 26 20:49:10 gsm fix was fast Aug 26 20:49:11 yeah qtopia kernel loading :) Aug 26 20:49:12 nice Aug 26 20:53:27 don't I get an aux or power light when the device is charging while not booted? Aug 26 20:53:44 Zorkman, tangogps worked :D Aug 26 20:53:49 thank you all Aug 26 20:53:53 congratz Aug 26 20:53:55 it was great help Aug 26 20:53:58 kushal: yey! Aug 26 20:54:07 though I still have few more quesries Aug 26 20:54:12 queries Aug 26 20:54:28 ask them while i'ml still feeling helpfull ;-) Aug 26 20:54:43 IF I can help I will (but mind you: I'm a noob) Aug 26 20:54:47 What should I do so that I can save my movement to OSM to make it better ? Aug 26 20:55:28 you just press the track tab on the buttom of tangogps Aug 26 20:55:50 and press start, if you ariv at a crossing you can press split Aug 26 20:56:14 btw: did you edit the /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to http://pastebin.com/f334ef873 ? Aug 26 20:56:36 Zorkman, yes, then only I can see them :p Aug 26 20:56:43 ok :) Aug 26 20:56:52 what is split again ? Aug 26 20:57:11 it just splits your log file Aug 26 20:57:23 so it can be easier to name them Aug 26 20:57:50 ok Aug 26 20:58:44 Zorkman, and how can I use google maps ? Aug 26 20:59:07 press config abd sekect abitger repository Aug 26 20:59:31 can not see it :( Aug 26 20:59:45 in the buttom tab, the last one, can't you see config? Aug 26 20:59:47 I have only OSM , Arial , Topo Aug 26 20:59:58 nog google? Aug 26 21:00:00 *not Aug 26 21:00:02 no :( Aug 26 21:00:05 you add it amnually Aug 26 21:00:32 *manuall Aug 26 21:00:33 *y Aug 26 21:01:18 is there an app list somewhere? Aug 26 21:01:48 yes on the wiki, but it is _very_ incomplete Aug 26 21:01:52 for 2007.2 Aug 26 21:01:54 that is Aug 26 21:01:59 :( Aug 26 21:02:05 take the time to complete it maybe? Aug 26 21:02:07 Zorkman, how can I stop word completion while typing ? Aug 26 21:02:10 im sure many will appreciate it Aug 26 21:02:53 kushal: you can try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard Aug 26 21:03:13 but on 2008.8-upgrade i think there isn't any full-qwerty.kbd :( Aug 26 21:03:33 ok Aug 26 21:04:53 Zorkman, wheres the page? Aug 26 21:04:59 Zorkman, this is not allowing me to type :( Aug 26 21:05:31 phrozen77_: you just have to search the wiki for "applications" and you get it.... Aug 26 21:05:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2007.2_Applications Aug 26 21:05:54 kushal: press and hold a letter, then press and hold the next... when you have finished slide your finger from left to right Aug 26 21:06:00 it's a tedious process... Aug 26 21:06:29 that app list needs to be LINKED from several other pages. I searched and searched for that the other day Aug 26 21:06:56 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 21:07:22 kushal: please add your complaints to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864 :) Aug 26 21:07:34 we're nagging the dev's about this forever.... Aug 26 21:07:50 Infoport: It's a wiki - add links from appropriate places :-) Aug 26 21:07:51 in 2008.8 it was still possible to change to full qwerty because the file was included Aug 26 21:07:59 I like the FULL keyboard in OM2007 better...I think maybe it is standard in the new install of OM2007 or in Matchbox keyboard Aug 26 21:08:15 I like rasters most Aug 26 21:08:21 it works amazingly well... Aug 26 21:08:34 wurp2 so true so true! I will now (although I couldnt find it before) Aug 26 21:08:36 I can use it with my fingers even though the buttons so small Aug 26 21:08:56 Zorkman, I will create an account and will do that Aug 26 21:09:32 perfect; whenever you see a bug or a way to improve it, please use the bug tracker, you help the community and the developers Aug 26 21:09:51 hmm..is that Applications page the one that used to have a charts with date added and repo? Aug 26 21:10:28 phrozen77_: You could also check out the openembedded repository for "installable" applications. Aug 26 21:10:40 Zorkman, what is the url for google ? Aug 26 21:11:49 lol :) i thought you actually were asking the url for google.com as a joke :) Aug 26 21:11:53 http://mt1.google.com/mt?&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d Aug 26 21:12:07 no Aug 26 21:12:52 Unpacking wesnoth (from .../wesnoth_1%3a1.4.4-2_armel.deb) ... Aug 26 21:12:58 \o/ Aug 26 21:13:07 What is wesnoth? Aug 26 21:13:12 finally I can put my phone to some use Aug 26 21:13:14 nyu: don't make me jealous... Aug 26 21:13:20 jucs: www.wesnoth.org Aug 26 21:13:21 goddamn :( Aug 26 21:13:25 Dave: stop him!! Aug 26 21:13:42 Zorkman: plug in a micro sd, debootstrap lenny/armel in it Aug 26 21:13:56 chroot, apt-get install wesnoth ;-) Aug 26 21:13:59 *loool* Aug 26 21:14:03 nyu: only have a 512MB so not big enough for debian and wesnoth :( Aug 26 21:14:14 and I would have to learn how to chroot :) Aug 26 21:14:19 Zorkman: they sell 2GiB for cheap price these days Aug 26 21:14:24 nyu: i know Aug 26 21:14:27 that's trivial Aug 26 21:14:30 Can you give me an URL to the package? Aug 26 21:14:32 chroot /mnt/card/ su - Aug 26 21:14:34 nyu:* Aug 26 21:14:35 Kensan, link? Aug 26 21:14:37 a friend of mine is going to order a 8GB and said he had to order one for me too Aug 26 21:14:38 nyu: they sell 8GB for cheap price these days Aug 26 21:14:40 jucs: packages.debian.org/wesnoth ? Aug 26 21:15:00 torindel: less cheap then :-P Aug 26 21:15:02 Ah, okay, sorry :-D Aug 26 21:15:34 nyu: and well i got my 8GB card for free :~P Aug 26 21:15:35 my 8GB is a class 4... I'd like a 16GB class 6 :) Aug 26 21:15:52 Wonka: FR can't really exploit fast SDs generally. Aug 26 21:15:54 Wonka: I didn't think there were already 16GB microsd? Aug 26 21:15:58 what does class level imply? Aug 26 21:16:08 torindel: give me one of those free ones also :p Aug 26 21:16:10 lol Aug 26 21:16:13 nyu: read/write speed Aug 26 21:16:13 nyu: MB/s Aug 26 21:16:15 class level= speed I think Aug 26 21:16:20 ah Aug 26 21:16:26 Zorkman: got only 1 Aug 26 21:16:28 at least $level mbit/s, afaik Aug 26 21:16:38 torindel: what are you waiting for? you're sitting on a gold mine Aug 26 21:17:02 is the Applications page *not* editable by registered users? "Gutenflash" is listed twice, but I don't see an "edit" tag on the right Aug 26 21:17:03 yeah, why don't you install wesnoth in those 8 gigs Aug 26 21:17:05 ShellEvil: yeah... anyway, i only had about 1.6GB on it yet Aug 26 21:17:40 mostly OSM tiles, but also some videos and mp3s Aug 26 21:17:46 don't see "edit" on right of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications Aug 26 21:17:50 not like the fr access speed is very fast either... Aug 26 21:17:55 Wonka: how is video? Aug 26 21:18:00 nyu: well i can emerge it from my gentoo if i want thank you ;] Aug 26 21:18:18 Zorkman: youtube videos with mplayer are ok, if nothing else is running Aug 26 21:18:40 Zorkman: afair there was stutter when tangogps was running in the background Aug 26 21:18:56 Is it possible to run x86-Windows-Executable through wine? Aug 26 21:18:58 Zorkman: in general 320x240 should be ok Aug 26 21:19:07 Like... settlers 2 *dreaming* Aug 26 21:19:20 +s* Aug 26 21:19:23 jucs: on ARM? i dont think so. Aug 26 21:19:40 I know, but wine emulates anyone, doesn't it? Aug 26 21:19:42 jucs: just replace cpu and connect powerplant to this baby ;] Aug 26 21:19:45 anyway* Aug 26 21:19:46 Sorry^^ Aug 26 21:19:52 jucs: nope. that would be qemu. Aug 26 21:20:09 settlers classics in qemu Aug 26 21:20:10 :-( Aug 26 21:20:20 that one ran on my 486 with 8mb ram... Aug 26 21:20:22 Does anyone know if it's possible to compile 2007.2 apps like openmoko-dialer2 individually, and if so, how? I'm trying to use the prebuilt toolchain, but I'm getting errors on om-conf: "No package 'libebook-1.2'/'libpulse' found" Aug 26 21:20:37 But.... qemu should be resource-intensive on the freerunner... Aug 26 21:20:41 too* Aug 26 21:20:52 should? why? Aug 26 21:21:03 also qemu arm host support wasn't that hot last I checked Aug 26 21:21:18 anyway, realistically, forget it Aug 26 21:21:19 Don't like, sounds big... do you think it would run usable fast? Aug 26 21:22:07 hi all Aug 26 21:22:31 torindel: you emerge things in the FR itself? :-/ Aug 26 21:22:47 Don't know* (Uhm? I want to type "know" and type "like" -.^ ---- Maybe I should get some sleep) Aug 26 21:22:51 sounds like it can take weeks Aug 26 21:23:07 nyu: i make binary packages Aug 26 21:23:22 torindel: ah okay then ;-) Aug 26 21:23:43 nyu: and if i want emerge on moko itself i can switch compiler to distcc Aug 26 21:24:08 so its compiled on remote machine and only decompress/configure is made on moko Aug 26 21:24:21 aha Aug 26 21:24:27 and cpp Aug 26 21:24:33 torindel, you get gentoo working on it then? Aug 26 21:24:49 ieatlint: yep Aug 26 21:25:02 and how's it working? Aug 26 21:25:15 Oh my gosh, freak! Aug 26 21:26:08 ieatlint: well as on arm ;], i'm still trying to make second abi version with uclibc instead of glibc Aug 26 21:26:40 so it would be smaller/faster Aug 26 21:28:50 My clock in OM2007 is reporting a different time zone than "date" in terminal. I'm looking at the Today2007.2 page, but don't see how to change it Aug 26 21:28:50 torindel: which kernel? Aug 26 21:29:13 undrwater: openmoko one, didnt build my own Aug 26 21:29:21 (yet) Aug 26 21:29:50 torindel: so...did you do bootstrap via distcc? Aug 26 21:31:17 undrwater: in qemu Aug 26 21:31:34 ah... that would explain your better success with cross compiling :P Aug 26 21:31:52 distcc died in middle of process after i had power failure and didnt care to fix it, just tured it off Aug 26 21:32:20 ieatlint: but i have native (emulated) distcc building farm Aug 26 21:32:45 torindel: have you documented your steps? Aug 26 21:32:57 not yet Aug 26 21:33:15 grm, SDL tries to use directfb backend Aug 26 21:33:22 how do you force it to use x11? Aug 26 21:33:58 undrwater: first part was hardest one anyway as i havent had any gentoo arm stages then ;] Aug 26 21:34:01 nyu: I think there's an env var Aug 26 21:34:06 nyu: http://www.libsdl.org/faq.php?action=listentries&category=9 Aug 26 21:34:20 nyu: set SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 Aug 26 21:34:28 undrwater: plus toolchain that was produced in oe builds was broken Aug 26 21:35:16 and crosscompile wasnt that good either as it had broken headers, configure problems, autofoo problems, ... Aug 26 21:35:19 Good night! Aug 26 21:35:27 torindel: that's the part i'd like to see documented ;) Aug 26 21:35:53 i've had distcc running for my x86 machines... Aug 26 21:35:57 never for other arch Aug 26 21:36:05 tuXXX: thanks Aug 26 21:38:45 the time given by "date" (UTC-4) is correct, but the time in Today clock is WRONG (UTC+1) How do I fix this? Aug 26 21:39:26 the really bad thing is that the time shown on the clock is neither local nor UTC ! Aug 26 21:39:50 Infoport: i have the same problem Aug 26 21:40:18 Zorkman so why havent you fixed it yet? snap to it! ;-) Aug 26 21:40:40 hehe, didn't see it as a priority, haven't even filed a bug report :( Aug 26 21:42:25 Zorkman, the track log files, do we have to convert them to gpx before uploading to OSM ? Aug 26 21:42:38 torindel, do you now have a qemu image running arm gentoo? Aug 26 21:42:41 yeah, there is a page on tangogps.org on how to do that Aug 26 21:42:46 Zorkman, ok Aug 26 21:43:23 dgym_: yep Aug 26 21:43:24 kushal: generally it's helpful if you only upload one tracktype at a time. For example, bike+car journeys can be confusing. Aug 26 21:43:40 would you mind sharing it? Aug 26 21:43:45 ShellEvil, like Aug 26 21:44:04 or even just a stageX tarball if you made one Aug 26 21:44:07 is the bug tracker a separate login from the wiki? Aug 26 21:44:18 ShellEvil, I should upload only the tracks on bike first, and then car travel in a separate one ? Aug 26 21:44:19 dgym_: they are setup as distcc hosts, if you want i can send you stage file for you to install Aug 26 21:44:21 infoport: yes Aug 26 21:44:25 kushal: also - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM or the online editor lets you define the tracks you add. Aug 26 21:45:31 torindel, yes. I would like to run it under qemu first, if I can do that I'll consider putting it on the phone later Aug 26 21:47:00 ShellEvil, ok Aug 26 21:47:33 ShellEvil, two of my lug guy are working in SoC in OSM :) Aug 26 21:49:58 it is already 3:17AM here Aug 26 21:50:02 need some sleep Aug 26 21:50:11 Zorkman, thanks again :) Aug 26 21:51:03 hmm Aug 26 21:51:13 somehow, the symbols on the upper bar have vanished Aug 26 21:51:16 in 2007.2 Aug 26 21:51:23 any way to regain besides rebooting? Aug 26 21:51:37 Zorkman looks like this ticket is about our time bug https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1851 Aug 26 21:51:42 note: dbus messes you up *tries to type in org.openmoko.wiki into browser Aug 26 21:51:56 what's the resolution of the FR? Aug 26 21:52:04 640x480 Aug 26 21:52:06 iirc Aug 26 21:52:09 yes Aug 26 21:52:19 you mean 480x640? ;-) Aug 26 21:52:21 or 480x640 Aug 26 21:52:23 heh Aug 26 21:52:41 can I flip the display to have 640x480? Aug 26 21:52:51 you could with 2007.2 Aug 26 21:53:05 i don't know about 2008.8 Aug 26 21:53:15 last time i checked it worked on 2008.8 Aug 26 21:53:37 phrozen77 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 26 21:53:38 it did? Aug 26 21:53:41 i've been playing with fso Aug 26 21:53:42 thanks Infoport Aug 26 21:53:49 and haven't even tried 2008.8 yet Aug 26 21:54:06 sirkha_top: I got om2007 Aug 26 21:54:13 sirkha_top, ....just.....dont Aug 26 21:54:18 I think I flipped it accidentally before Aug 26 21:54:23 but I don't know how to do it Aug 26 21:54:31 phrozen77_: don't what? play with fso? Aug 26 21:54:36 2008.8 Aug 26 21:54:41 you'll regret it Aug 26 21:54:42 ah Aug 26 21:55:00 not that fso is by any means stable Aug 26 21:55:15 it works, though Aug 26 21:55:36 just my 400 dollar smartphone has about the functionality of a nokia from the late 90s Aug 26 21:55:46 much prettier, of course Aug 26 21:56:00 no, it'll be great when its ready Aug 26 21:56:05 hm Aug 26 21:56:07 sirkha_top: yeah , everyone pays more for an old timer :) it's vintage! Aug 26 21:56:15 should i get gps coverage inside a building? Aug 26 21:56:16 sirkha_top there are some interesting parts of 2008.8, so you might like to play with it, but I wouldnt overwrite OM2007, b/c it just isnt as stable Aug 26 21:56:36 ah, i don't even have om 2007 Aug 26 21:56:37 just fso Aug 26 21:57:00 phrozen77 YMMV-- it depends on how much above you, the structure of the building, etc Aug 26 21:57:48 phrozen77 in my one story house with attic, I find it helps if I put external GPS antenna in window Aug 26 21:59:38 phrozen77 I know many people who leave their (nonOM) phone out in the car at work, b/c they cant get ANY phone reception inside, not even notifications. Other buildings, no problem Aug 26 21:59:51 I can get a fix near a window Aug 26 22:00:12 Infoport, ymmv, right mhm Aug 26 22:02:57 Zorkman I think I am going to try to patch hwclock.sh as in that bug ticket Aug 26 22:11:32 woo Aug 26 22:11:41 that "oh-puzzles" creates quite a mess Aug 26 22:16:11 [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy Aug 26 22:16:14 uhm Aug 26 22:16:18 no alsa mixing? Aug 26 22:16:33 I suppose I have to route the audio to pulseaudio? Aug 26 22:16:38 or try with dmix Aug 26 22:16:48 what does that do? Aug 26 22:16:57 software mixing in alsa Aug 26 22:17:19 in kernel or userland? Aug 26 22:17:40 I think it's kernelspace Aug 26 22:18:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Preferences <<-- is this app for 2007.2? What's the name in opkg? Aug 26 22:19:38 Daenyth: Categories: [...] Unimplemented Aug 26 22:19:45 ah, didn't notice Aug 26 22:20:00 lol Aug 26 22:20:14 there is a lot of those mockups on the wiki Aug 26 22:22:21 they better invest the time in making apps not mockups Aug 26 22:22:24 :[ Aug 26 22:23:08 phrozen77_, i dunno about you, but i tend to prefer example mockups to the functionality of much of the openmoko apps Aug 26 22:23:17 they have fewer bugs, if nothing else Aug 26 22:23:29 >_< Aug 26 22:23:33 hmm Aug 26 22:23:44 http://www.orangelabel.com/icons.htm Aug 26 22:23:46 ^^omgtaskbar Aug 26 22:23:48 phone.png will never crash... Aug 26 22:24:28 I can barely hear people on the phone, what's the alsamixer channel for the phone speaker? Aug 26 22:24:37 there are too many and I can't figure it out :/ Aug 26 22:24:57 Zorkman well I'm not sure if I have the same issue as that bug. hwclock reports the local time, and the Today clock is 1 hour ahead of UTC, but that bug seems to be about hwclock getting reset Aug 26 22:25:10 tuXXX: it seems dmix won't do a thing unless I get the pulseaudio that is occupiing /dev/snd to use it Aug 26 22:25:55 nyu: yes, you have to use only dmix or only pulseaudio Aug 26 22:27:40 how do you send the data to pulseaudio? ip sockets? Aug 26 22:28:05 I want to play things from inside the chroot Aug 26 22:28:17 but they're alsa/oss Aug 26 22:28:47 there is alsa/oss compatibility in pulseaudio, but I don't know if it's available on your version Aug 26 22:29:17 is there a package that gets the accelerometers going? Aug 26 22:29:24 tunys, nyu: pulseaudio has a driver that makes it work with alsalib applications. Aug 26 22:29:29 Also, dmix is usually userspace. Aug 26 22:29:43 anybody got remoko running?? (on 2007.2 or 2008.8?) Aug 26 22:29:48 tuXXX, sorry - not tunys. Aug 26 22:29:49 paulproteus: nice to know, but I think you meant tuXXX :P Aug 26 22:29:52 :D Aug 26 22:30:00 (-: Aug 26 22:31:11 is minimo only supposed to be used on 2008.* ? Aug 26 22:31:22 Zorkman now I'm not sure that I have the same bug as that ticket I showed earlier. My hardware clock doesnt seem to get changed, but Tuday clock is definitely off :-( Aug 26 22:31:23 no, it also works on 2007.2 Aug 26 22:31:32 hmmm Aug 26 22:36:13 i still don't quite understand the branches available at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=summary - is org.openmoko.dev still 2007.2? it seems to be in active development more than expected. which one is the "bleeding edge" state of ASU? Aug 26 22:37:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r60aa73655142 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: add Charlie's fantastic tasklet module to patterns Aug 26 22:37:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7bcf13dcdd0 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Aug 26 22:37:25 freesmartphone.org: use introspection to implement org.freesmartphone.framework.ListObjectsByInterface(). Closes FSO #2 Aug 26 22:37:25 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: need to cleanup all references to saving the interface in the controller Aug 26 22:43:45 hm Aug 26 22:43:56 i notice a little bit of flickering when the display is dimmed on 2007.2 Aug 26 22:44:12 maybe you are dimming too much? Aug 26 22:44:20 how so Aug 26 22:44:22 thats default Aug 26 22:44:49 never mind then :) Aug 26 22:45:20 Zorkman well I dont think I match that bug ticket-- my hwclock stays the same after reboot, and the system time is correct, only the Today clock is wrong. I guess a new bug ticket *IS* in order Aug 26 22:46:16 gogogo Infoport! Aug 26 22:46:23 there more bug reports the merrier :) Aug 26 22:47:45 hm Aug 26 22:47:53 how do i switch to fullscreen with minimo? Aug 26 22:47:55 our bug sounds similar to this one (but they get UTC, while I dont) https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1295 Aug 26 22:49:55 Zorkman, looking at #1295, I see my /etc/timezone IS WRONG, even though /etc/localtime was set. Maybe you have same issue? Aug 26 22:50:30 indeed Infoport Aug 26 22:50:39 is tehre a list with valid timezones? Aug 26 22:50:45 (Is Brussels one of it?) Aug 26 22:51:03 minimo maximo ? Aug 26 22:51:04 :P Aug 26 22:51:24 Zorkman: usually it's in /usr/share/zoneinfo Aug 26 22:51:47 Zorkman: for example Europe/Brussels Aug 26 22:51:50 btw: /etc/localtime is unreadable, how can I see what it is set to? Aug 26 22:52:26 md5sum? ^^' Aug 26 22:52:39 Zorkman, from the instructions to set /etc/localtime, imitate the names of the paths you linked (i.e. I used America/New_York) Mine just got fixed!! Aug 26 22:56:16 hi Marcel_M Aug 26 22:56:22 you run rabenfrost.net, no? Aug 26 22:56:31 hi Zorkman Aug 26 22:56:56 no its joschs server Aug 26 22:57:19 my rep is just on his server Aug 26 22:57:22 I heard from someone battle for wensnoth was on it Aug 26 22:57:31 yes it was Aug 26 22:57:41 was there a reason it was removed? Aug 26 22:57:50 but i dont know if its still there Aug 26 22:57:58 (no, it's gone :( ) Aug 26 22:58:23 Infoport: now my clock is two hours wrong :( Aug 26 22:58:28 hrm Aug 26 22:59:46 Zorkman: the best is ask josch if he got it somewere Aug 26 22:59:55 thanks Marcel_M Aug 26 23:00:08 you are welcome Zorkman :) Aug 26 23:03:42 Zorkman did you remove /etc/timezone like they said, or did you set it correctly? Aug 26 23:06:28 Infoport: i set it correctly Aug 26 23:06:34 I did opkg install ntpclient Aug 26 23:06:35 ntpclient -s -h pool.ntp.org Aug 26 23:06:38 and now it's allright Aug 26 23:06:55 Does anyone have an opnion about whether or not the 2008.8 rootfs and kernel have significant improvements over the first official 2008.8 release? Aug 26 23:07:15 KenYoung: I see no noticable improvements.... Aug 26 23:07:19 KenYoung: some significant...but mostly looks the same Aug 26 23:07:30 one large dissapointment: they removed the full querty.kbd Aug 26 23:07:50 wonder how to install raster's kb Aug 26 23:08:15 suspend is broken Aug 26 23:08:24 i should say resume is broken Aug 26 23:08:39 UndrWater, Is suspend in *worse* shape than on the first release? Aug 26 23:08:58 I means resume too, I guess. Aug 26 23:09:37 I'm gonna hit the sack Aug 26 23:09:41 goodluck everyone! Aug 26 23:09:47 hard to say what "worse" is anymore ;) Aug 26 23:10:12 but after a while...while in suspend...nothing will wake moko up from it's sleep Aug 26 23:10:29 UndrWater, I felt suspend/resume was pretty close to working on the initial 2008.8 release. Aug 26 23:10:58 KenYoung: i think i agree...though i don't remember now ;) i've tried so many iterations Aug 26 23:11:35 UndrWater, I don't understand why they don't work on suspend/resume to the absolute exclusion of all other issues, until it works. It's so fundamental. Aug 26 23:12:03 (there too busy removing good keyboards and spanners) Aug 26 23:12:19 and programming a new uboot replacement (Qi) Aug 26 23:12:51 (last one is not true, that's Xianfu's work, I like the asian dude :)) Aug 26 23:13:10 llo raster, once again thanks for the fast reply on the spanner stuff Aug 26 23:13:25 really gone now Aug 26 23:13:39 Have a good snooze. Aug 26 23:14:00 ZzzzZzzZorkman: yeah. thats how it was "meant" to be Aug 26 23:14:13 the asu release merely covered it up with some theme "makeup" Aug 26 23:14:18 it was meant to never even exist Aug 26 23:14:27 it was there just as a debug/devel tool Aug 26 23:14:35 but asu was released with just the coverup Aug 26 23:14:44 i actually removed the "Wart" in newer profiles Aug 26 23:14:51 u will simply need to switch profile Aug 26 23:14:53 raster, A coverup for what? Aug 26 23:14:58 unfortunately - u need to edit a file for that Aug 26 23:15:05 KenYoung: the spanner Aug 26 23:15:21 the RIGHT way is to tell e to swithc profile Aug 26 23:15:34 e can use4 multiple config profiles-it's there for just this thing Aug 26 23:15:43 when people want different config setups and want to flip between them Aug 26 23:15:53 problem is - any gui way to do it has been disabled Aug 26 23:16:09 (e does have a gui for this - but as with most things oin asu - all disabled/removed/hidden) Aug 26 23:16:47 i'm going to continue e/illume dev on OE (i.e FSO) where all these things will get exposed again. Aug 26 23:20:16 * mwester thinks someone should just spend 1/2 the effort they spent on the silly ASU dumb-down on making suspend/resume work properly. Aug 26 23:28:49 agreed Aug 26 23:32:06 why would yo uneed suspend/resume when it is always plugged in and nfs mount? :) Aug 26 23:38:07 Anyone know whose FR this is? http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Image:200808235312.JPG Aug 26 23:38:14 bah Aug 26 23:38:18 suspend/resume is for whimps Aug 26 23:39:43 ljp: yeah...my phone is LAMP server...why do i need it to suspend? Aug 26 23:40:24 doesnt rpcbind start up by default :p? Aug 26 23:41:23 Am I just missing something, or is it impossible to scroll the menus that the 2008.8 installer presents? When I try to scroll, they just wiggle. Aug 26 23:41:49 i think thats all Aug 26 23:46:25 KenYoung: what's wrong with wiggling? i haven't seen any installs that go beyond the borders of the screen...so i think that's allright? Aug 26 23:47:41 UndrWater, Well, I can see why someone with your name would like the shimmering effect. It's not especially functional though. Aug 26 23:50:25 :D Aug 26 23:55:06 Zorkman back inside...did you set /etc/timezone to something correct also? The instructions on setting time used a different method (linking /etc/localtime) and the Today clock seems to use a text value set in /etc/timezome Aug 26 23:55:42 Infoport, I think Zorkman signed off. Aug 26 23:57:39 KenYoung I blame my slow response on timezone issues :D Aug 26 23:58:52 KenYoung orrery is still my fav "gee whiz" app to show ppl, although I did get asked "Who needs it" (A: who needs ANY of it-- its just fun!) Aug 26 23:59:13 Infoport, You made my day! Aug 26 23:59:30 KenYoung although I guess ppl trying to navigate without knowing the stars might need help (LOTS of help) Aug 27 00:00:29 Infoport, I've heard the US Naval Academy no longer offers celestial navigation even as an *optional* course. Aug 27 00:01:44 KenYoung I hope the Boy Scouts or somebody still uses it. I have an Astrolabe which hasnt been used for a long while, so I can use the help :D XD Aug 27 00:03:17 I can understand random boaters not using it, but those expecting difficult situations hsould know celestial navigation (esp military, Boy Scouts, rugged adventurers) Aug 27 00:04:25 Infoport, I would have thought anyone in the navy would want to know it, just for cultural literacy reasons. Aug 27 00:10:00 sad sad...makes me want to learn my Astrolabe better, so I can tell the time (within 15min) from the stars Aug 27 00:11:14 KenYoung, I've never gotten the impression that cultural literacy was a high priority for any of the armed forces... Aug 27 00:11:44 maybe I should try to make an Astrolabe app :D (go go centuries-old technology!) Aug 27 00:13:32 dinqman, But don't they stress the importance of the "history of the corps" the "long grey line" etc? Learning navigation should be another experience bonding recruits to the navy. Aug 27 00:14:42 Infoport, Astrolabes are probably even older than orreries. Aug 27 00:15:56 wow KenYoung, you inspired me to find the meaning of that word (I LOVE being literate!) Now I have a little reading to do Aug 27 00:16:23 Infoport, Let me know what you find. Aug 27 00:18:25 well I'm reading Wikipedia now, which I have found to be well-cited in most cases, but I will prob go to the other resources next. I didnt know that the Antikythera mechanism was one (which I had seen on History channel, and they are X-raying to find out more) Aug 27 00:18:55 Yeah - the Antikythera mechanism is cool beyond belief. Aug 27 00:21:06 KenYoung my Astrolabe was from a renaissance festival. and I have a booklette of Chaucer explaining the use. I have a good one of ~5inch diameter, and a necklace version that is 1-1.5 inch Aug 27 00:21:57 need to re-learn it though Aug 27 00:23:37 Infoport, Although the Antikythera mechanism may be older than any existing Astrolabe, I think it's almost a certainty that something like an Astrolabe long predated any orrery. Aug 27 00:23:59 KenYoung, wouldn't know for sure. I teach military folks sometimes, but I'd never join up. You have to do crazy shit like touching guns and taking orders ;) Aug 27 00:24:54 where do i get some good applications for me freerunner/ Aug 27 00:26:40 I'm a DIY person (surprise) and I like guns too-- I started to create my own using the US manual TM-210, which has now disappeared from military surplus stores (like you cant find it online) but we shyed away at testing and completing it b/c it may be illegal to make your own Aug 27 00:26:56 slaxxin, Are you looking for any particular type of application? Aug 27 00:27:16 I'm a vegetarian who loves peace, but is not a pacifist Aug 27 00:27:43 anyway enough OT chatter from me Aug 27 00:28:14 Back on topic, are there reviews or status reports on the FSO dailies anywhere? Aug 27 01:05:18 can someone help me? Aug 27 01:05:40 no Aug 27 01:08:00 why? Aug 27 01:08:37 RPStudent09: you're being too desriptive Aug 27 01:08:40 descriptive* Aug 27 01:08:53 with my problem? Aug 27 01:09:23 *oh, disruptive.......and I dont see anyone else in here talking... Aug 27 01:12:10 xjig (virtual jigsaw puzzle) works well on the FR. 512x384 images are a good fit... large enough, but you can still get at all the pieces as you approach completion. Aug 27 01:15:24 (Oh, I should mention that you'll want to include the '-side 0' option so you have a single-sided puzzle you can actually solve.) Aug 27 01:15:55 09 watisit? Aug 27 01:16:06 retracile: Mind putting that on the wiki? Might be nice to know for people who want to play Aug 27 01:16:17 abraxa_: where's it belong? Aug 27 01:17:12 retracile: There's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games/Om_2007.2 so I figure http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games looks like a good fit Aug 27 01:19:40 should it be Games/Debian? Aug 27 01:20:15 RPStudent09 I didnt see your problem, could you repeat it? Aug 27 01:21:38 Infoport: He's gone Aug 27 01:22:06 retracile: I don't think xjig is debian-specific Aug 27 01:22:30 ok Aug 27 01:26:41 retracile :) Aug 27 01:26:48 Dave! :) Aug 27 01:27:03 \o/ Aug 27 01:27:12 Shit, lucky bastard... Aug 27 01:27:19 Kenyoung has escaped my grasp once again. Aug 27 01:27:27 He shall not be so fortunate next time >:) Aug 27 01:27:40 Hrm. I thought {{{ }}} would mark a section as pre-formatted... but it isn't showing up that way... Aug 27 01:27:56 o_O Aug 27 01:27:59 What, on the wiki? :p Aug 27 01:28:11 Yeah; I'm used to Trac's syntax.... Aug 27 01:28:23 ? Aug 27 01:28:56 oh, 
.  *sigh*
Aug 27 01:29:10  heh
Aug 27 01:29:15  silly retracile :)
Aug 27 01:29:27  so many wikis, so many quirks.
Aug 27 01:29:43  Yeah, I just choose to ignore them all.
Aug 27 01:29:45  :)
Aug 27 01:29:51  Ok, just created http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games
Aug 27 01:29:58  :O
Aug 27 01:30:01  ADD ADD ADD
Aug 27 01:30:24  I wonder if I should submit my game icons there...
Aug 27 01:30:27  Dave: contributions welcome.  Make yourself useful dude. ;P
Aug 27 01:30:45  I am, you jerk! :p
Aug 27 01:30:51  hehe
Aug 27 01:30:58  ooh, my freerunner just turned on
Aug 27 01:31:02  I bet it's happy to see me :D
Aug 27 01:31:46  DAENYTH
Aug 27 01:31:49  :D
Aug 27 01:32:41  retracile, are you on the map yet!?
Aug 27 01:33:10  nope.  gps isn't top priority for me yet.  I'm trying to get my FR to replace my Zaurus.
Aug 27 01:33:19  :\
Aug 27 01:33:22  good luck!
Aug 27 01:33:28  ... and my Zaurus has no gps, no wifi, no radios at all.
Aug 27 01:33:38  (it does have a nice pull-out keyboard though...)
Aug 27 01:33:41  hey but it makes a pretty snazzy pda
Aug 27 01:33:44  :]
Aug 27 01:33:53  NEEDS MORE GAMES
Aug 27 01:33:55  like the freerunner
Aug 27 01:33:59  ;]
Aug 27 01:34:08  heh.  Yeah, I had nethack on the Z at one point.
Aug 27 01:34:18  It's not that amazing.
Aug 27 01:34:38  I'm finding that I'm not very fond of OE; being able to run Debian is a step up, IMNSHO.
Aug 27 01:35:06  yeah
Aug 27 01:35:13  haha, fucking crazy acronyms there.
Aug 27 01:35:36  eh?
Aug 27 01:35:45  holy backronyms batman!
Aug 27 01:36:05  holy doom on a freerunner!
Aug 27 01:36:05  :D
Aug 27 01:36:50  heh.  Reminds me... I wrote a Monopoly game once in college; when a player went bankrupt, the game declared "Holy pockets Batman, Player1 has gone bankrupt!"
Aug 27 01:37:21  :D
Aug 27 01:37:27  heehee, cute :)
Aug 27 01:37:51  object-oriented C (not C++), ANSI graphics... and an A for our group.  Fun times. :)
Aug 27 01:38:02  killer!
Aug 27 01:38:10  :)
Aug 27 01:38:43  I think I am going to write an accelerometer based game using sdl for the debian dist
Aug 27 01:39:00  Starting now?
Aug 27 01:39:08  Hmm?
Aug 27 01:39:16  I may do that.
Aug 27 01:39:26  I've been thinking about it for a little while now, the game, anyway.
Aug 27 01:39:31  What better time, eh?
Aug 27 01:39:35  time... -_-
Aug 27 01:39:41  I just need to find it, somehow!
Aug 27 01:39:43  ... actually, I have a better idea.
Aug 27 01:39:51  oh yeah?
Aug 27 01:40:00  What, make you dinner? :P
Aug 27 01:40:27  If you hold the freerunner like a steering wheel, can the accels tell you enough to determine its angle from horizontal?
Aug 27 01:40:37  yes
Aug 27 01:40:43  but it's not THAT sensitive
Aug 27 01:40:49  and the readings aren't THAT fast I believe
Aug 27 01:40:52  unsure of that part though
Aug 27 01:40:56  though yes, it can give you angle :)
Aug 27 01:41:03  like 45d or 35d, maybe
Aug 27 01:41:11  it was designed with 2accels for that reason
Aug 27 01:41:13  can it work as a steering wheel input for driving games?
Aug 27 01:41:20  and their placement was based for that potential
Aug 27 01:41:24  MAYBE!
Aug 27 01:41:32  probably pretty bad, if precision is required
Aug 27 01:41:35  but hey, not a bad idea
Aug 27 01:41:42  though for that you'd really want a gyro :\
Aug 27 01:41:52  Implementing that would open up a lot of games.
Aug 27 01:41:59  It might
Aug 27 01:42:03  it's worth looking into :)
Aug 27 01:42:11  maybe I'll pitch it to a couple people
Aug 27 01:42:22  if you don't copyright it, first :P
Aug 27 01:42:31  Even if all it could detect was 3 positions, it would be useful.  (left, center, right)
Aug 27 01:42:37  right
Aug 27 01:42:39  exactly!
Aug 27 01:42:47  I could see people in offices doing crazy shit with it
Aug 27 01:42:48  haha
Aug 27 01:42:56  vroom vroom!
Aug 27 01:43:07  gimme TORCS on the FR!  (kidding)
Aug 27 01:43:18  ;p
Aug 27 01:43:24  mariokart
Aug 27 01:43:26  madness!
Aug 27 01:43:30  slaxxin: that'd work.
Aug 27 01:43:47  linuxxed an no emulator
Aug 27 01:44:26  mariokart.ipk   getonit
Aug 27 01:45:03  slaxxin: just need the accelarometer-based virtual joystick input.
Aug 27 01:45:06  heh
Aug 27 01:45:13  I'm busy workin' on doom1.ipk, thanks.
Aug 27 01:45:14  :p
Aug 27 01:45:19  retracile, yeah
Aug 27 01:45:24  For DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Aug 27 01:45:31  please send it to us all
Aug 27 01:45:35  *hack*   *slash*   *slice*    *bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaah*
Aug 27 01:45:59  meanwhile, quake is next :)
Aug 27 01:46:12  we need mo ram scotty
Aug 27 01:46:25  I'm givin' it all she's got, cap'n :P
Aug 27 01:46:41  sending spock
Aug 27 01:46:46  :p
Aug 27 01:47:27  so that doom u working on is like 1 meg?
Aug 27 01:47:38  meg an a half?
Aug 27 02:23:12  i think im running your image raster  although when i did opkg upgrade   does it overwrite it?
Aug 27 02:23:31  it likely will
Aug 27 02:23:38  i need to do a real "raster" image
Aug 27 02:23:46  that wont break etc.
Aug 27 02:23:46  Tag Name:
Aug 27 02:23:46  VERSION: e8c57c8226d1e8dc1ebde7bc6051d448cfe6e57c
Aug 27 02:23:46  Branch: org.openmoko.asu.dev
Aug 27 02:23:46  Build Host: cubie
Aug 27 02:23:46  Time Stamp: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:38:09 +1000
Aug 27 02:24:09  hat was a quick image i brewed to let u see how far the illume kbd has come and how things work forme at least
Aug 27 02:24:33  it simply was he image of asu i happened to build that day
Aug 27 02:24:35  i rather like it
Aug 27 02:24:36     
Aug 27 02:24:45  it is 2008.8 correct?
Aug 27 02:24:45  i intend to work on FSO in future
Aug 27 02:24:52  i'll make a nice FSO image sometime..
Aug 27 02:24:58  is that shr?
Aug 27 02:24:59  maybe i'll just do an FSO-based one
Aug 27 02:25:01  ie use FSO
Aug 27 02:25:07  but do some e-image
Aug 27 02:25:10  not sure
Aug 27 02:26:04  i really liked fso   but i thought that 2008.8 was the shit
Aug 27 02:26:32  coolest ringtone around
Aug 27 02:26:55  warning: rockin&rollin
Aug 27 02:28:12  ahhaah
Aug 27 02:28:16  raster how do i put pidgin on?
Aug 27 02:28:25  well FSO i think is a longer-term future base
Aug 27 02:28:33  i should build an image thatis BASEd on FSO infra
Aug 27 02:28:38  but includes a bunch of useful stuff
Aug 27 02:28:49  ok the masses will follow
Aug 27 02:28:49  and uses E+illume configured as at least i think it should be :)
Aug 27 02:29:02  i need to work on that
Aug 27 02:29:17  i need to do a new theme that matches/uses e17's new theme
Aug 27 02:29:26  so in the long run i can just re-use everything in e's core
Aug 27 02:29:27  fso now is working the best   ya think?
Aug 27 02:29:38  and i need to work on some modules for wallpaer, profile and theme config
Aug 27 02:29:50  well fso uses e+illume almost as it should be
Aug 27 02:30:02  are u using debian?
Aug 27 02:30:06  for me fso doesnt register on the network so it cant make calls or recieve
Aug 27 02:30:11  but i guess its being worked on
Aug 27 02:30:13  no
Aug 27 02:30:17  i am using OE
Aug 27 02:30:36  well i thouhght that fso worked on calls?
Aug 27 02:31:06  it did for me very well
Aug 27 02:31:19  hmm
Aug 27 02:31:20  didnt for me
Aug 27 02:31:24  Have you finished working for OM now, raster ?
Aug 27 02:31:27  but its probably a matter of debugging
Aug 27 02:31:31  Stroller: end of this week
Aug 27 02:31:43  so raster u have att?
Aug 27 02:32:17  i had that problem originally
Aug 27 02:32:44  it turned out my sim was shorting on the holder tab
Aug 27 02:33:03  raster: cool. If you were local I'd ask to throw a leaving party for you.
Aug 27 02:33:48  guys
Aug 27 02:33:55  slaxxin: no. i'm in .au - have optus
Aug 27 02:33:55  why isn't there an #openmoko-dev
Aug 27 02:33:56  :)
Aug 27 02:34:06  my sim works with qpe
Aug 27 02:34:09  raster: you can always come work for Trolltech^WNokia
Aug 27 02:34:16  its not the sim as such
Aug 27 02:34:22  ok
Aug 27 02:34:38  ljp:  hehehe - i could... right nowp though.. i want some "me" hacking timeand a holiday
Aug 27 02:35:07  its worth looking to see if the tab is touching the contact of the sim:)
Aug 27 02:35:08  Stroller: thanks - though i'm happy as-is just slinking offinto the shadows come the weekend :)
Aug 27 02:35:21  raster: 20% of time here is "me" dev time - its called Creative Fridays
Aug 27 02:35:51  ljp:  ooh. ala google :)
Aug 27 02:36:19  nope. google got the idea from TT
Aug 27 02:36:42  As you wish, raster. But I think many of us would like to thank you.
Aug 27 02:37:08  tunys:  because that channel was already claimed.
Aug 27 02:37:10  ljp:  really? they did? cool
Aug 27 02:37:20  mwester: I'm in here now
Aug 27 02:37:23  tunys:  try #openmoko-cdevel for community development
Aug 27 02:37:24  nobody here
Aug 27 02:37:25  Stroller: thanks. and dont worry - i will be doing stuff
Aug 27 02:37:26  THANK U RASTER
Aug 27 02:37:26  i dont know of they did, but I think TT predates google
Aug 27 02:37:37  thats what i hope to sink a few weeks into after OM
Aug 27 02:37:41  get things on track
Aug 27 02:37:53  mwester: I'm all alone in #openmoko-dev, and i have +o
Aug 27 02:37:55  release an image - or at least get an image into OE like FSO that is FSO based
Aug 27 02:38:00  and otherwise got all the goodies
Aug 27 02:38:03  raster: and release e17? :)
Aug 27 02:38:04  raster: well, that's why we'd like to thank you.
Aug 27 02:38:07  mwester: I can register the channel for you guys if you want
Aug 27 02:38:16  ljp:  and yes.. release e17.. though thats a bit longer
Aug 27 02:38:20  have to finish off this new theme
Aug 27 02:38:23  and finish the wizard
Aug 27 02:38:31  but then its just bugfixes and cleanups
Aug 27 02:38:49  tunys:  Not my call, but maybe someone would like it.  I presume that Openmoko released the channel, as it used to by closed.
Aug 27 02:38:51  tunys:  he means #openmoko-devel i think
Aug 27 02:38:51  :)
Aug 27 02:39:04  and that channel is closed
Aug 27 02:39:04  raster: #openmoko-dev is catchier
Aug 27 02:39:33  raster: I'm pretty sure I checked both before we ended up with cdevel
Aug 27 02:41:24  I wonder if #openmoko-sucks would come under freenode's naming rules
Aug 27 02:47:44  hahaha
Aug 27 02:49:41  http://is.gd/1WgO
Aug 27 02:49:48  AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!
Aug 27 02:50:55  do i want to know?
Aug 27 02:51:18  My freerunner!!!1
Aug 27 02:51:23  it's at the post office!!!
Aug 27 02:51:33  that is an exciting time
Aug 27 02:51:38  yeppers
Aug 27 02:51:55  when i got that message it was like christmas eve
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