**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 27 02:59:56 2008 Aug 27 03:06:35 yeah Aug 27 03:07:11 though it's a bit hard to explain to many people why I want a phone that doesn't quite work yet Aug 27 03:07:26 ah if you use debian (with the fso) package you can just apt-get install pidgin Aug 27 03:07:47 raster: are we all really australian in here ? Aug 27 03:07:58 dunno Aug 27 03:08:00 are we? Aug 27 03:08:21 well i am you are apparently a bigpond amarsh user just left Aug 27 03:09:14 so by majority of this conversation we are Aug 27 03:09:16 :)\ Aug 27 03:09:22 hahahaha Aug 27 03:09:29 well also its "wakies" time in.au Aug 27 03:09:35 not surprising Aug 27 03:09:37 :) Aug 27 03:10:08 raster: probably not (wants to get a gprs provider that is cheap) Aug 27 03:10:13 i got vodafone working Aug 27 03:12:23 3 is the best data-wise Aug 27 03:12:28 but only 3g thats decent Aug 27 03:12:37 u're screwed for gprs data at decent rates here Aug 27 03:12:37 3 nar... their service is shocking Aug 27 03:12:51 raster: nar dude was dd if=/dev/sdb |gzip -9 | dd of=sdcard.tgz Aug 27 03:13:02 -- that will work for backing up by memory card yeah ? Aug 27 03:13:30 raster: well no ... you ca nget some pretty decent rates for data depends on the amount you want.. i want only a few mb so Te$tra might be a go Aug 27 03:13:35 (prepaid) Aug 27 03:14:05 i'm not bothering Aug 27 03:14:10 they're all rediculous Aug 27 03:14:24 raster: what no gprs rofl :) Aug 27 03:15:36 raster: that back up command should work tho ? i don't really trust gzips but ok Aug 27 03:16:07 ooh Aug 27 03:16:11 for backing up st Aug 27 03:16:12 yeah Aug 27 03:16:14 should work Aug 27 03:16:59 mmmm how long should this take ? i have used around 2gb on the card. Aug 27 03:17:05 (8gb card) Aug 27 03:17:34 where is it plugged in? Aug 27 03:17:36 fr Aug 27 03:17:38 usb Aug 27 03:17:39 or desktop? Aug 27 03:17:45 usb on my desktop of course :) Aug 27 03:17:49 ooh Aug 27 03:17:52 dunno Aug 27 03:18:00 not sure of the read rates for your sd card Aug 27 03:18:03 but it will take a whilke Aug 27 03:18:08 think its a slow scandisk 4X Aug 27 03:18:27 raster: what distro are you on atm btw Aug 27 03:18:34 alsoi depends on your card reader Aug 27 03:18:37 if its full or hi speed Aug 27 03:18:38 etc. Aug 27 03:18:46 on my desktop? ubuntu Aug 27 03:18:56 just a sec Aug 27 03:18:56 * dbmoodb likes his debian and 2007.2 (ah both are probably low) so lets say its .. i think its finished Aug 27 03:18:59 brb Aug 27 03:20:57 aaand.. back Aug 27 03:21:54 meh what distro on the phone. Aug 27 03:22:04 (uses debian on * )and 2007.2 Aug 27 03:22:29 2008.8 looks good but last time i was playing with it .. it was a bit slow / didn't fix anything really from 2007.2 Aug 27 03:23:37 oh on phone Aug 27 03:23:43 well ASU and FSO Aug 27 03:23:47 ASUi'm winding down on Aug 27 03:23:55 and i just picked up FSO and intend to do more there Aug 27 03:25:18 milestone2 coming up Aug 27 03:27:26 slaxxin: ?... is it any different to fso on debian (probably more updated atm) Aug 27 03:28:09 ii just started the procedure Aug 27 03:28:15 dunno Aug 27 03:28:19 so 15 minuits Aug 27 03:28:26 i dont see the point of running deb on my fr really Aug 27 03:28:30 just will suck in extra bloat Aug 27 03:28:33 i'm used to OE now Aug 27 03:28:58 need a 99meg denian Aug 27 03:29:45 why is there text completion for names in 2008.08 ? i tried adding a friend (his name is pieter) but all i could get typed in was pi and then start a second word... Aug 27 03:30:03 kind of annoying to have him listed as pi :) Aug 27 03:30:09 yay! 2008.8 keyboard Aug 27 03:30:09 :) Aug 27 03:30:48 is there a way to turn off the completion when typing names ? also, where's the backspace gone ? Aug 27 03:31:36 i mean 2008.08 is promoted as a major release, i had expected it to be more usable than 2007.02, not less... Aug 27 03:35:14 raster: ? extra bloat Aug 27 03:35:24 dude its debian. Aug 27 03:35:40 dbmoodb: how big is the debian image with fso? Aug 27 03:36:22 ah depends on what you want with it. i don't know the exact size i did a custom lenny installation and mine is HUGE but i bought a 8gb sdcard just for it. had i not i wouldn't have it so big. its damn fast too :) Aug 27 03:37:31 raster: probably approach 500mb im guessing ... if you dont cut it down. Aug 27 03:38:19 ... FSO with OE is 48m Aug 27 03:38:22 so.. yes Aug 27 03:38:24 debian is bloated Aug 27 03:38:52 and i dont need to do any cutting down Aug 27 03:39:01 so.. i'm going to continue with OE and FSO Aug 27 03:39:01 :) Aug 27 03:40:26 raster: sure thing fso is ok. but like i said i like my debian Aug 27 03:40:45 raster: get back to be when there is a working voip client for either fso or asu Aug 27 03:44:45 debian is 480 or there abouts without cutting it down. With jffs2's compression, it fits in NAND with room to spare. Aug 27 03:45:04 retracile: nice Aug 27 03:45:22 instructions are on the debian wiki; MovingToFlash Aug 27 03:45:50 g'night all. Aug 27 04:14:34 is there a way to upgrade fso m2? Aug 27 04:54:27 anyone got ip over bluetooth working? Aug 27 05:54:40 >_> Debian on your phone=Best concept ever Aug 27 05:55:05 But hay, does FSO have Text messaging yet? Aug 27 05:56:39 How slow is debian on the phone ? Aug 27 05:56:52 Like, not. xP Aug 27 05:57:18 I got Xfce on it, speedy as 2008.8, maybe faster. Aug 27 05:58:15 Suppose it'd be even faster if I got an even more light weight window manager Aug 27 05:58:51 But I'm diggin' the whole Gnome-style look. Aug 27 05:59:47 Currently have QTopia on the phone itself, but I might switch completely to Debian if the FSO has a texting area. Aug 27 05:59:52 But I'm pretty sure it doesn't yet. Aug 27 06:00:04 texting area? Aug 27 06:00:11 Err, just texting in general. Aug 27 06:00:18 If it's there, I'm blind. >_> Aug 27 06:00:23 texting? Aug 27 06:00:27 you mean sms? Aug 27 06:00:32 Aye. Aug 27 06:00:47 I thought it was only called SMS if it was from a computer to a phone. >_> Aug 27 06:02:18 When is it going to be implemented into the FSO? Aug 27 06:03:41 Infinyte: i can at least receive sms Aug 27 06:04:00 Oh? Can you reply to them though? Aug 27 06:04:50 apt-get source zhone ; grep -r 'sent message' zhone* Aug 27 06:06:39 Infinyte: do you know python or C? Aug 27 06:06:44 No Aug 27 06:06:45 :< Aug 27 06:07:27 I just like Linux Aug 27 06:07:27 xP Aug 27 06:07:47 Infinyte: The right answer is: "Not yet!" :) Aug 27 06:08:01 Good point, that. Aug 27 06:08:03 Oh wait Aug 27 06:08:04 Nevermind Aug 27 06:08:06 I found it Aug 27 06:08:24 xD There is a text area that you can send/receive in. >_> Haha, awesome. Aug 27 06:08:33 The Samsung 6410 Wolfgang mentioned in his weekly mail looks really sweet: http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231 Aug 27 06:09:06 CM_work: open? Aug 27 06:09:35 doc|home: In the mail he wrote "Planning another attempt at asking Samsung Korea to open up documentation" Aug 27 06:09:40 * doc|home catching up on mail Aug 27 06:09:46 Would be nice if they did :) Aug 27 06:10:04 Weekly Engineering News 34/2008 in the devel ml Aug 27 06:10:55 ah, that'd be why I can't see it Aug 27 06:11:10 it could be faster :o Aug 27 06:11:23 533mhz isn't really very fast Aug 27 06:11:36 True, but I still think that's fast enough Aug 27 06:11:41 But it has vector floating point, which would be cool. Aug 27 06:11:47 yeah, but think where the iphone will be at that time :/ Aug 27 06:12:10 nice that it has a video coprocessor though, that would help Aug 27 06:12:11 KenYoung yes, and the gpu and the camera stuff Aug 27 06:12:23 Exactly Aug 27 06:12:28 if it can be sufficiently opened :/ Aug 27 06:12:53 CM_work, Amazingly, it's still USB 1.1 ! Aug 27 06:13:03 Compatible with USB specification version 2.0 Aug 27 06:13:08 I don't think my Neo1973 is all that slow, but graphically it's not exactly quick Aug 27 06:13:09 One USB client 2.0 interface, supporting high speed as Device (480Mbps, on-chip transceiver). Aug 27 06:13:19 doc|home, Oh, I missed that. Aug 27 06:13:28 Up to 1024x1024 resolutions (TBD) Aug 27 06:13:32 * doc|home dribbles a little Aug 27 06:13:42 uber high res! Aug 27 06:13:50 KenYoung It's usb 1.1 host Aug 27 06:13:53 Client 2.0 Aug 27 06:14:16 hmmm, tv out, would be nice if there could be a add-on to allow that, could plug phone into tv, play movie :) Aug 27 06:14:21 lets see the iphone do that! Aug 27 06:14:33 Yeah, that would be really nice Aug 27 06:14:37 doc|home: you'd hammer the hell out of the cpu Aug 27 06:14:52 and hey, if you find a tv with usb, you could write the extention yourself (!) Aug 27 06:14:58 wantok: indeed I would, but I'd do so just to annoy iphone users! :D Aug 27 06:15:08 doc|home: :D Aug 27 06:15:50 CM_work: any idea on power usage? Aug 27 06:22:11 There any particular reason why my phone can ping some places (Such as google.com) but not other? (Such as debian.org), when on the same wireless connection that my computer (That can ping both places) is on? Aug 27 06:22:52 dark fibre eating packets Aug 27 06:23:03 o.O Aug 27 06:23:17 (i'm sure theres an actual bofh excuse, it just doesnt spring to mind ;}) Aug 27 06:24:05 Infinyte: tcpdump Aug 27 06:24:30 Kay I'll try that, just a sec. Aug 27 06:25:45 doc|home: Haven't seen that yet Aug 27 06:26:13 Err.. tcpdump = Command not found Haha Aug 27 06:30:17 Ah interesting. Uhm, nevermind. Aug 27 06:30:22 My fault, I fixed it. >_> Aug 27 06:31:55 I wonder if synaptic'd run okay on this. :D Aug 27 06:38:03 Zomg Aug 27 06:38:08 Firefox on my phone. Aug 27 06:38:17 Wait till I tell my granny. xD Aug 27 06:45:54 Wow Aug 27 06:46:22 >_> Firefox runs SOOO much better on the Freerunner than Minimo and the Openmoko Browser did. Aug 27 06:51:57 Infinyte, are you running Debian? Aug 27 06:53:30 Yessir. Aug 27 06:53:54 Installing synaptic now.. Aug 27 06:54:04 Well, almost done installing, actually. Aug 27 06:56:12 >_> Yayyy. Aug 27 06:58:56 Infinyte: using matchbox keyboard? Aug 27 06:59:28 Eh. I think so. >_> I dunno, I'm using the one that came with it. Aug 27 06:59:29 xP Aug 27 06:59:51 Infinyte: and konqurorer runs well too Aug 27 06:59:52 uasdfasdf Aug 27 06:59:59 asdfsdf Aug 27 07:00:11 Ah, didn't even think about that. Aug 27 07:00:16 That's probably even faster, hmm? Aug 27 07:00:34 yeah dude its even faster. Aug 27 07:01:21 Aw snap, I broked something. >_> How can you fix this? : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open Aug 27 07:01:31 Pops up when running apt-get install Aug 27 07:01:36 No wait Aug 27 07:01:38 Nevermind Aug 27 07:01:42 :D Aug 27 07:01:44 I know why. XDD Wow, I'm stupid. >_> Aug 27 07:01:58 ... wait for ... yeah dude your too excited .. let me know if you get audio input working tho... i'm stumpted by it Aug 27 07:02:22 Audio input? Aug 27 07:02:34 I think mines working okay. o_O Aug 27 07:02:43 I had someone call me, and we talked just fine. Aug 27 07:05:08 I wonder, any browsers that'd be even faster than Konqueror? Aug 27 07:05:16 elinnks? Aug 27 07:05:54 That in the repos? Aug 27 07:06:36 is there anything missing from the repos? :P Aug 27 07:06:52 Good point. >_> Aug 27 07:06:56 Oh, that reminds me though. Aug 27 07:07:02 What program gives you the use of the ping command? Aug 27 07:07:14 huh o_0? Aug 27 07:07:14 Because the Debian for the freerunner didn't come with it. O_o Aug 27 07:07:41 iputils-ping Aug 27 07:07:50 Ahh, danke. :D Aug 27 07:07:55 dpkg -S ftw :D Aug 27 07:08:06 What's that? Aug 27 07:08:21 search. dpkg -S `which ping` Aug 27 07:08:22 iputils-ping: /bin/ping Aug 27 07:08:28 Doh Aug 27 07:09:12 Synaptic works. xD Aug 27 07:09:43 Hmm, I wonder.. Aug 27 07:09:58 Think Flash would work very well? >_> Aug 27 07:10:05 *shudder* Aug 27 07:10:10 XD Aug 27 07:10:59 Hrm, not sure which one of these is the actual flash plugin for iceweasel anyways. Aug 27 07:11:55 then again. its not an x86, so unless gnash works you wont have flash Aug 27 07:12:04 Ah, good point. Aug 27 07:12:14 Well nevermind that, it'd be lagcity anyhoo. Aug 27 07:12:46 One thing though, is there a GUI program that could manage networks for the Freerunner in Debian that you're aware of? Aug 27 07:13:09 no idea, i dont use gui's to manage my networks full stop :) Aug 27 07:13:31 Ah well, in that case. Does your SIM card have internetz? Aug 27 07:13:50 i havent bought one yet :$ (a sim) Aug 27 07:13:55 Ah. Aug 27 07:13:59 when i get one it better though Aug 27 07:14:08 Haha, well mine does. But like. Aug 27 07:14:18 I sure as heck can't figure out how to get it to connect. Aug 27 07:14:19 xD Aug 27 07:14:26 aw. Aug 27 07:14:39 gprs not working under debian yet :(? Aug 27 07:14:49 I dunno. Aug 27 07:14:53 lucky i guess, i'll not have to worry for a few more weeks that it doesnt work ;) Aug 27 07:14:59 >_> What's gprs? Bwahaha Aug 27 07:15:22 jfgi :P Aug 27 07:15:24 wantok: works for me, why not read the lists? ;) Aug 27 07:15:38 lindi-: because i dont even have a sim yet :) Aug 27 07:16:53 morning Aug 27 07:17:27 mornin' Aug 27 07:17:42 good morning Aug 27 07:18:08 Mornin'. Aug 27 07:20:05 Arr. >_> Well. I have all the addresses and junk from my phone supplier. But the guides on the Wiki for gprs is simply gibberish to me. Err, for the most part. I get some of it, but anything I try ultimately gets me nowhere. Aug 27 07:25:25 Hey Lindi. Are you using multiplexing? So you get calls and can be on the internet at the same time? Aug 27 07:27:04 Infinyte, isn't that trivial? Aug 27 07:27:39 I suppose to an extent, but what if you don't want to miss a call? :D Aug 27 07:30:40 Ooo Aug 27 07:30:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Aug 27 07:30:45 This makes it look easy. Aug 27 07:30:46 >_> Aug 27 07:32:59 But alas, that place doesn't seem to... Ehh, exist in Debian. At least not that I can find. BUT, that's okay. They're working on a GUI anyways. Supposedly. So I can be lazy and wait. xD Aug 27 07:34:07 On another note. Aug 27 07:34:17 Any way to.. Like... Emulate a Right-Click in debian? Aug 27 07:35:07 there is a little gtk+ systray applet that can emulate right click Aug 27 07:35:19 I cant remeber name off top of my head though Aug 27 07:35:25 xmousekey or something like that Aug 27 07:36:30 Hmm Aug 27 07:36:48 Infinyte: xmonobut :-) Aug 27 07:36:59 :o Aug 27 07:37:03 Danke. <3 Aug 27 07:37:04 which seems to not be in debian :-( Aug 27 07:37:08 Oh Aug 27 07:37:08 :< Aug 27 07:37:22 * XorA could of sworn it used to be Aug 27 07:39:40 Hmm, I want to try a messenger. >_> Pidgin's kinda resource intensive though Aug 27 07:41:28 Regardless, it works. :D Aug 27 07:41:57 And well. Aug 27 07:42:06 Yes, PhoneY=Me. Aug 27 07:42:35 Infinyte: i have received call while on gprs, have not tested if i can send ip packets Aug 27 07:42:46 Ah Aug 27 07:42:48 Infinyte: the mailing list has patches and discussion on right click Aug 27 07:43:23 Ahhkay. Aug 27 07:46:43 >_> Woaaah, I can use VLC now. Aug 27 07:46:49 Lesse if it works. X) Aug 27 07:47:40 Haha, I'm probably annoying you all to death, huh? Aug 27 07:51:22 Well anyhoo, time for bed. Aug 27 07:51:29 Thanks for all the halp guys. :D Aug 27 07:56:58 Oh and, VLC works, but I can't hear anything it plays. :< Another challenge for the morrow I suppose. Aug 27 07:58:27 Recommend me some games that'd work on the Freerunner in debian whilst I'm gone? XD Aug 27 07:59:04 Infinyte: openttd? Aug 27 07:59:55 it's not in official debian, is there even any free graphics to use it? Aug 27 08:00:48 not as far as i know Aug 27 08:00:55 but i can share :P Aug 27 08:01:07 it should be abandonware anyway Aug 27 08:01:37 that doesn't unfortunately meet the goals. http://www.debian.org/social_contract Aug 27 08:02:14 bah.. debian with its legal :) Aug 27 08:02:51 Oh, I should ask before I go. Would it be faster to use the ext2 filesystem on Debian? Aug 27 08:03:09 than? Aug 27 08:03:17 Oh, than FAT Aug 27 08:03:38 umm, you don't use fat anyway Aug 27 08:03:58 But I did: SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all Aug 27 08:04:02 except maybe for the kernel, if you want to go the easier uboot route, but it's quite irrelevant what fs that resides on Aug 27 08:04:18 Ah Aug 27 08:04:34 it's just loaded once on boot, you know... Aug 27 08:07:58 anybody has a build environment and likes games? Aug 27 08:08:13 there is a bitbake recipe for battle of wesnoth in oe Aug 27 08:09:00 fortunately debian has it already :) Aug 27 08:09:49 * mjr is currently limited to a chrooted debian for his debian stuff, since doesn't quite trust that with his calls yet Aug 27 08:10:21 have you played it on debian lindi-? Aug 27 08:19:08 Zorkman: i could not get it to use 640x480 Aug 27 08:19:42 mjr: the trick is to run gnu screen. you have frameworkd in one window and zhone in one window, under python debugger Aug 27 08:20:31 when something fails you can walk to nearest computer, ssh in and investigate state of the program :) Aug 27 08:33:35 lindi-, I see! Aug 27 08:57:36 hello Aug 27 08:59:36 * pabs3 waves to fale Aug 27 09:00:08 hi pabs3 Aug 27 09:00:32 pabs3: have you putted the GPS patch? Aug 27 09:00:52 GPS patch? Aug 27 09:01:10 pabs3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems Aug 27 09:01:36 oh, not sure, I just use the kernel Debian downloads, presumably that has the fix because it works Aug 27 09:02:11 about 40s to get the first fix Aug 27 09:02:26 I see Aug 27 09:02:27 about 40s to get the first GPS fix Aug 27 09:03:09 pabs3: soon we will be able to apt-get source the kernel too and the mystery goes away when we can just read the diff Aug 27 09:03:58 lindi-: do you use debian too? Aug 27 09:04:04 lindi-: openmoko are sending their patches upstream?? or do I misunderstand? Aug 27 09:08:09 someone have tried to install QTopia? Aug 27 09:12:10 i have installed Qtopia Aug 27 09:13:02 lpotter: how it goes? Aug 27 09:19:49 fale: qtopia is nice.. actually working phone environment Aug 27 09:20:22 Bill_: ok, but like... the calls work? Aug 27 09:20:34 almost everything works Aug 27 09:20:47 Bill_: what doesn't? Aug 27 09:21:06 it lacks a web browser and gps apps.. Aug 27 09:21:21 otherwise it's really good... and fast Aug 27 09:21:35 Bill_: as gps app there isn't marble? Aug 27 09:22:03 afaik not Aug 27 09:22:40 luckily qtopia 4.4 is coming in few weeks and that should cover both of these issues Aug 27 09:22:52 wonderfull :) Aug 27 09:23:10 Bill_: and as apps that you can put on qtopia... is there a list? Aug 27 09:24:16 not really... generally Qtopia apps should work but it think they need to get recompiled for OM and i don't know of anyone doing that really.. Aug 27 09:24:26 * pabs3 wonders if anyone tried maemo on the freerunner Aug 27 09:27:04 pabs3: probably not, as maemo is mostly for the n8x0 devices, and most of it is proprietary Aug 27 09:29:03 Bill_: are there some schedule about qtopia 4.4? Aug 27 09:30:54 fale: yes Aug 27 09:31:03 pabs3: not sure Aug 27 09:31:22 lindi-: I see Aug 27 09:32:06 * CM_work thinks lpotter might have some educated guesses about the 4.4 schedule :) Aug 27 09:32:38 CM_work: lpotter is a qtopia dev? Aug 27 09:32:45 Yes Aug 27 09:32:52 who me? Aug 27 09:33:07 yep Aug 27 09:33:17 i know exactly when the 4.4 will be released, but cannot say Aug 27 09:33:23 :) Aug 27 09:33:27 so ner Aug 27 09:33:32 ner? Aug 27 09:33:57 than la ter? Aug 27 09:34:13 la ter? Aug 27 09:34:32 ner.. i guess that might be an australianism Aug 27 09:34:48 lpotter: for the eng-0 like me? Aug 27 09:35:42 pabs3: ispossible to put two SO on the openmoko? Aug 27 09:37:33 <|Marco|> is it possible to switch off the "fade" effect in ASU 2008.8 ? Aug 27 09:38:45 * fale thinks he will use the openomoko 2008.8 until qtopia 4.4 will be released (hoping that qtopia will be released before the phone arrives to my house) Aug 27 09:40:04 possibly Aug 27 09:40:33 lpotter: :D Aug 27 09:40:48 lpotter: qtopia 4.4 will use the 3D accellerator? Aug 27 09:41:07 fale: what do you mean by "SO"? Aug 27 09:41:26 pabs3: sorry SO is italian, OS (Operative Systems) Aug 27 09:42:18 fale: ah. I saw on the Qtopia page on the openmoko wiki there is the possibility to dual-boot Aug 27 09:42:39 other option is to have one sd card per OS Aug 27 09:43:01 I see Aug 27 09:43:56 <|Marco|> is anyone working on ASU2008.8's speed? I see qpe is eating 75% load... that can't be good... Aug 27 09:44:27 whats qtopia doing? starting up? Aug 27 09:44:49 probably it's just scanning for mediafiles and documents Aug 27 09:44:55 lpotter: are there public beta for qtopia 4.4? Aug 27 09:45:06 not at this time Aug 27 09:45:29 lpotter: can i get a private one? :P Aug 27 09:46:34 * fale offers himself with Bill_ :D Aug 27 09:46:53 only if you are a big company named Nokia :) Aug 27 09:47:25 lpotter: in that case I'll have a 5k dollars phone, not an openmoko :D Aug 27 09:49:32 anybody has a build environment and likes games? there is a bibtbake recipe in om for the battle for wesnoth Aug 27 09:50:45 <|Marco|> with what Zorkman just said, has anyonw been able to compile qte-mt-static ? Aug 27 09:50:55 <|Marco|> it's buged out on me every single time Aug 27 09:51:05 josch on #mokopedia had no problem doing it... Aug 27 09:51:56 i'll ask him Aug 27 10:03:54 Zorkman: I played wesnoth yesterday Aug 27 10:05:49 anyone has experience on setting up gprs ? chat scripts timeout on /dev/ttySAC0 , Aug 27 10:09:34 Zorkman: havent' found how to fix the resolution though. wqhere's that recipe? Aug 27 10:13:24 is there a command to rotate the screen? Aug 27 10:14:39 nyu: xrandr -o 1 Aug 27 10:18:10 Can somebody describe what Qi is? Aug 27 10:18:30 nyu: i know nothing of bibake, but can this help?: http://de.pastebin.ca/1081129 Aug 27 10:18:38 dolf1074: it's liek u-boot Aug 27 10:18:40 *like Aug 27 10:18:55 Zorkman: thanks, this worked nice Aug 27 10:19:02 np Aug 27 10:19:03 too bad wesnoth still wants 800 pixels Aug 27 10:19:15 :( Aug 27 10:19:32 Zorkman: nah, using precompiled packages here Aug 27 10:20:27 So Qi has nothing to do with http://n2.nabble.com/Repository-and-Images-tp784083p786400.html? Aug 27 10:20:54 oh, and touch input stopped working Aug 27 10:21:48 :( Aug 27 10:22:38 i've asked josch on #mokopedia, when he reads it and responds i'll report back... Aug 27 10:22:47 thanks Aug 27 10:23:32 it exists for debian, maybe that can help... Aug 27 10:25:32 Zorkman, thanks again :) Aug 27 10:25:53 hehe np kushal Aug 27 10:26:03 enjoy the FR, i'm gonna do some work, bye Aug 27 10:26:33 bye Aug 27 10:27:55 I installed python-pygtk on the device ,then I came to know it has broken, so how can I get stable package Aug 27 10:28:20 feed path i need to update? Aug 27 10:32:36 Zorkman: oh, --enable-tinygui Aug 27 10:36:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r1d2b5fe28f59 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): Aug 27 10:36:12 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in SimRetrieveMessagebook Aug 27 10:36:12 freesmartphone.org: Note: +CSMS=1 seems to fail in PDU mode Aug 27 10:36:13 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r2efc01c2f922 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): Aug 27 10:36:17 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add a direction attribute for the SMS object Aug 27 10:36:19 freesmartphone.org: MT: Mobile terminated, MO: Mobile originated Aug 27 10:36:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rdaeb328662a7 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Aug 27 10:36:24 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add functions to encode SMS back to PDUs Aug 27 10:36:26 freesmartphone.org: This is still buggy, pack_sevenbit doesn't work if UDH are present. Aug 27 10:36:28 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rb42a7bb94a0b 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Use and test the PDU generation code Aug 27 10:52:32 how do you hook things into the om2007 menu? Aug 27 10:54:29 nyu: it uses the freedesktop menu spec iirc, so drop a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications Aug 27 10:57:39 sadly, that doesn't work for xfce4 >:< Aug 27 10:59:56 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk Aug 27 11:01:18 I downloaded above package but it is giving from gtk import _gtk Aug 27 11:01:18 ImportError: No module named cairo Aug 27 11:01:56 I've never seen the underscore there... Aug 27 11:02:07 error, might be broken package. So can anyone know other feed path names? Aug 27 11:03:10 opendeep: pygtk is (afaik!) "only" a wrapper to the c-gtk-libs, so you need to install the real cairo lib I think... Aug 27 11:04:07 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r710961d27759 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-versions] increase libSDL version Aug 27 11:04:08 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rfe2f30fe0366 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): [python-pygame] fix the building with SDL Aug 27 11:13:45 pabs3: ah ok Aug 27 11:13:50 pabs3: you got one of those too? :-) Aug 27 11:28:10 Tanuva:Pycairo is upto date Aug 27 11:28:44 I need some other feed path for these libraries Aug 27 11:29:29 does somebody have a problem with the qtopia sdk vmware image and not being able to connect via runqpe (bounce) Aug 27 11:36:03 pabs! :D Aug 27 11:38:50 leaky leaky programses Aug 27 11:39:13 Davey Aug 27 11:39:21 always ranting Aug 27 11:39:24 good man Aug 27 11:39:24 Hello Bumble :D Aug 27 11:39:26 heh Aug 27 11:39:40 Well, that's what happens when your freerunner gets 1d+ uptime Aug 27 11:39:54 hald and openmoko-today are notoriously the worst offenders Aug 27 11:40:09 taking tens to hundreds of megabytes of memory :( Aug 27 11:40:13 pos :D Aug 27 11:40:51 When neod breaks down, things tend to stop working altogether first, so usually it's less of a leak and more of an explosion - which warrants an immediate reset ;p Aug 27 11:41:04 hehe Aug 27 11:41:16 stop using 2007.2 Aug 27 11:43:07 Never! Aug 27 11:43:27 It is ironically the most usable, in my opinion :P Aug 27 11:48:32 Dave: yes and no Aug 27 11:48:40 fso is quite useable too Aug 27 11:50:51 ASU is not there yet and will maybe never be Aug 27 11:52:32 yeah but FSO has cooties Aug 27 11:52:37 i heard that qtopia is juite good, how is it when it comes to suspend? Aug 27 11:52:38 and ASU is... yeah... never going to? Aug 27 11:52:48 When they merge, it will be historic, and chaotic. Aug 27 11:53:04 Tasn, it works fine, but other than a phone, it does nothing spectacular (yet) Aug 27 11:53:13 come back in a month or so when it finally adopts a browser Aug 27 11:53:28 qtopia is awesome at what it does well, but when it fails, it fails hard (as I've found) :x Aug 27 11:53:31 what's the battery time with qtopia? Aug 27 11:53:38 what did it do? Aug 27 11:53:38 comparable? Aug 27 11:53:42 failed hard Aug 27 11:54:01 absolute battery time, no compared to anything Aug 27 11:54:10 Dave, define failed hard Aug 27 11:55:01 read my rantings Aug 27 11:55:03 :p Aug 27 11:55:09 where at? Aug 27 11:55:10 I should blog this shit, sadly enough. Aug 27 11:55:11 haha Aug 27 11:55:17 hehe exactly ;) Aug 27 11:55:18 Dave's RSS feed Aug 27 11:55:24 where the R stands for Rant Aug 27 11:56:11 tasn, but it's wireless superfucked up Aug 27 11:56:18 i c. Aug 27 11:56:21 as well as its context menus, in a super related megafail Aug 27 11:56:27 well no qtopia for me then :) Aug 27 11:56:31 haha Aug 27 11:56:34 i guess i will try asu ;0 Aug 27 11:56:39 well, I'd say if yo uplan on using it as a phone it's great Aug 27 11:56:40 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r0a01a5d73ec6 10/src/zhone: apply fix for gps signal strength (thanks quickdev) Aug 27 11:56:44 as a pda, it's decent, and works Aug 27 11:56:55 but if you want to do anything else like gps or internet, it doesn't do it at all Aug 27 11:56:56 Dave, it will be my major phone Aug 27 11:56:59 Ah Aug 27 11:57:06 Well it's pretty good at that stuff Aug 27 11:57:07 but i don't use my phone that much anyway Aug 27 11:57:13 heh :] Aug 27 11:57:16 im buying it Aug 27 11:57:23 but if you receive a call you don't want to get it ten minutes later :P Aug 27 11:57:23 as a gameboy Aug 27 11:57:27 haha Aug 27 11:57:29 woo Aug 27 11:57:29 a really geeky one ;0 Aug 27 11:57:33 ;D Aug 27 11:57:39 beats that crappy dslinux :p Aug 27 11:57:51 i won't play games Aug 27 11:57:57 i will just play hacking ;0 Aug 27 11:58:03 *hacking* Aug 27 11:58:04 as a name Aug 27 11:58:11 not a verb Aug 27 11:58:24 tinker with the phone all day long sounds fun enough :) Aug 27 11:59:01 TAsn: that's exactly why I bought it Aug 27 11:59:10 and because my 6230i sucks hard Aug 27 11:59:18 :D Aug 27 11:59:21 i have an half dead 6680 Aug 27 11:59:21 :) Aug 27 11:59:30 i can carry another phone with me Aug 27 11:59:39 i have a small phone which it's name i can't recall\ Aug 27 11:59:47 and dual gsm line Aug 27 11:59:52 or what ever it's name is. :) Aug 27 12:00:34 * bumbl wants dualsim for gta04 Aug 27 12:00:53 hell yeah! Aug 27 12:00:57 * Dave high-fives bumble Aug 27 12:01:11 * Zorkman wants no interference for gta04 :) Aug 27 12:01:16 anyone has experience on GPRS ? i have already read Manual GPRS wiki article , my issue is that /dev/ttySAC0 does not responsd to chat scripts Aug 27 12:01:31 duckhunt, with mini lightgun usb attachment! Aug 27 12:01:32 :D Aug 27 12:01:35 bumbl, what dou you want that for? Aug 27 12:01:40 ^_^ Aug 27 12:01:49 Dave: can you please freeze me until my GPRS problem get solved ? :) Aug 27 12:01:57 Yes Aug 27 12:01:57 TAsn: one for a data plan and one for a normal phone plan Aug 27 12:02:01 * Dave freezes Zoup Aug 27 12:02:05 Zoup_, what page did you read? Aug 27 12:02:17 uggh, my freerunner needs more memory :( Aug 27 12:02:18 bumbl, can't you just combine them on the same card? Aug 27 12:02:24 TAsn: too expensive Aug 27 12:02:31 bumbl, ah, so you actually want a provider with a sane pricing plan Aug 27 12:02:33 my data plan and regular phone use the same card. Aug 27 12:02:35 move to finland ;) Aug 27 12:02:36 a bigger internal flash would be nice Aug 27 12:02:37 TAsn: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS Aug 27 12:02:43 mjr, never! Aug 27 12:02:50 Zoup_, thanks. Aug 27 12:03:03 bumble, yeah that's funny. Aug 27 12:03:04 my phone plan is awesome when it comes to sms and phone calls but it is really expensive for data Aug 27 12:03:15 Here, if you DON'T get them together it's ridiculously expensive. Aug 27 12:03:24 yeah, data... ~_~ Aug 27 12:03:32 expensive rape Aug 27 12:05:30 i pay 4 usd per month for a flat rate 2nd gen gprs Aug 27 12:05:37 ooh la la Aug 27 12:05:39 I mean a HSPA flat (HSDPA + HSUPA) costs ~20€ I think; 3gb cost 9,9€ - with my phone plan I would pay >200€ for 3gb Aug 27 12:05:42 which is reasonable enough in my opinion. Aug 27 12:05:52 scary foreign currencies Aug 27 12:06:10 bumble, that doesn't make any sense? Aug 27 12:06:38 ? Aug 27 12:06:56 20€ are ~ $29.4 Aug 27 12:07:04 huh? Aug 27 12:07:11 two hundred euros for what!? Aug 27 12:07:14 bumbl: 3? Aug 27 12:07:15 a freerunner!? Aug 27 12:07:31 Dave: 3 gigabyte data Aug 27 12:07:53 I know the freerunner can't handle that much Aug 27 12:07:55 craziness? Aug 27 12:08:01 bumble, oh yeah? :P Aug 27 12:08:13 it didn't even handle my 300M usb data transfer :P Aug 27 12:08:15 :D Aug 27 12:08:32 Dave: gprs is more expensive than umts here Aug 27 12:08:40 o_O Aug 27 12:08:45 gprs blows Aug 27 12:08:54 I should be thankful I have EVDO here. Aug 27 12:09:07 It negates the need for Wifi on most phones. Aug 27 12:09:29 (take THAT Edge) Aug 27 12:10:12 Does the tango GPS tool use openstreetmaps? Aug 27 12:10:23 tool? Aug 27 12:10:28 tangogps uses osm, yes Aug 27 12:10:32 [by default] Aug 27 12:11:52 it even has a little logging option to help you trap new traces Aug 27 12:13:01 And a friends function to ee if Dave and lazy lulu have already met Aug 27 12:13:03 Shlee: it is also capable of using google maps Aug 27 12:13:07 (and killed eachother) Aug 27 12:13:13 o_o Aug 27 12:13:16 Wtf? Aug 27 12:13:22 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Aug 27 12:13:29 yeah, lulu came in here a whila ago Aug 27 12:13:30 ... what are we talking about? :p Aug 27 12:13:38 she said you're a dead man Aug 27 12:13:55 maybe she knows voodoo Aug 27 12:14:11 EVDO? Aug 27 12:14:12 I am not sure Dave, one minute it was OSM next it is TangoGPS' highlander function :P Aug 27 12:14:13 she's gonna collect some hair of you and make a doll Aug 27 12:14:15 Zorkman, ernstig? Aug 27 12:14:27 nee, ben maar aan't zeveren Aug 27 12:14:32 Tig :D Aug 27 12:14:36 Wonka, yes Aug 27 12:14:43 Dave: what's that? Aug 27 12:14:56 Wonka, ... look it up? Aug 27 12:15:00 other than awesome :P Aug 27 12:15:17 Tig|: Tracing new streets might be a good idea.. they are missing afew in my area :) Aug 27 12:15:31 and the train stations are wrong.. Aug 27 12:15:39 * Shlee should really learn how to edit that system Aug 27 12:15:43 Shlee :) Aug 27 12:15:48 it's easy, and can be fun! Aug 27 12:15:48 :D Aug 27 12:16:12 Dave: mh. ok. HSPA seems faster than that. Aug 27 12:16:17 nyu: yep, running Debian atm Aug 27 12:16:18 * Dave shrugs Aug 27 12:16:27 * pabs3 waves to Dave Aug 27 12:16:27 anyvody using rasters image? Aug 27 12:16:43 Dave: anyway, data via phone provider costs you money, data via free wireless lan doesn't. Aug 27 12:16:44 Wonka, it's the fastest consumer data rate signal in the US, anyway. Aug 27 12:16:59 Wonka, yes, and no. Aug 27 12:17:18 If you use a FREE WAP it costs you simply airtime (no data plan needed). Aug 27 12:17:23 Otherwise, yes :P Aug 27 12:17:38 But if you're already paying for unlimited data plan, who cares! Aug 27 12:17:50 here in kiel, there's a growing number of free WAPs... http://www.tng-spot.de/ ;) Aug 27 12:17:51 Like work pays for my unlimited phone data plan, so why not enjoy it, right? :P Aug 27 12:17:57 Wonka ;) Aug 27 12:18:00 pabs! Aug 27 12:18:09 * Dave hops aboard pab's boat Aug 27 12:18:15 Ahoy, matey :) Aug 27 12:18:23 heh :) Aug 27 12:18:23 WLAN is up to 54mbps, GPRS not even near that. Aug 27 12:18:48 it's near 54kbps though :) Aug 27 12:18:55 icky Aug 27 12:19:11 USB is stinky. Aug 27 12:19:17 my wlan only gets 90-100kb/sec :(:( Aug 27 12:19:22 aaaand: i'd like to be able to dialin via $phonestuff and provide network to several people via WLAN Aug 27 12:19:23 don't know what the hell is wrong with it Aug 27 12:19:23 boohoo Aug 27 12:19:31 heh Aug 27 12:19:34 hostap? Aug 27 12:19:54 yes... but first, master mode support in firmware, then driver. Aug 27 12:20:02 Zorkman, ze belgie are zwak! Aug 27 12:20:02 ad-hoc mode works already Aug 27 12:20:06 yep Aug 27 12:20:15 Wonka, agreed. :) Aug 27 12:20:19 I like your evil plans! Aug 27 12:20:52 * Dave just got an urge to watch Dune on the Freerunner Aug 27 12:21:07 but the big showstopper is the 3g sim problem Aug 27 12:21:18 and the lack of 3G? :p Aug 27 12:21:22 heh Aug 27 12:21:41 Dave: through ethernet i can download 1.9MB/sec... but with the FR wifi there's a difference with factor 20 Aug 27 12:21:59 heh, yep Aug 27 12:22:14 did someone try installing windows on a freerunner yet? XD Aug 27 12:22:26 I almost wonder what that would look like... Aug 27 12:22:38 Dave: it doesn't even do 2.5G atm Aug 27 12:23:21 Dave: GTA03 might be a big help there Aug 27 12:23:42 Dave: iff they use an other gprs modem there Aug 27 12:23:46 worst case scenario Aug 27 12:23:52 you can always plug an external Aug 27 12:23:55 3g modem ;0 Aug 27 12:24:42 TAsn: atm, i plug the 3G SIM with the data plan into my Siemens S65 (that does GPRS), activate BT on S65 and FR, and do PPPoE over BT Aug 27 12:24:53 TAsn: eats battery like crazy on the S65 Aug 27 12:25:03 but cool as hell on the moko ;0 Aug 27 12:25:23 by the way, BT... pand is still missing Aug 27 12:25:45 it was there, once Aug 27 12:25:57 and got lost on upgrading, some day Aug 27 12:34:46 <|Marco|> is there a package I'm missing when python(gtk, etc..) cant find cairo even if pycairo ++ is installed on the freerunner ? Aug 27 12:35:00 haha tasn Aug 27 12:35:03 if ONLY Aug 27 12:35:39 marco, maybe you need to install some python packages? Aug 27 12:35:49 <|Marco|> I just did Aug 27 12:35:53 <|Marco|> .. Aug 27 12:35:57 yay? Aug 27 12:36:21 marco: is this you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVamvA81gDI ? Aug 27 12:36:57 <|Marco|> oh crap... Aug 27 12:37:13 :) gotcha :) Aug 27 12:37:20 <|Marco|> god help me now :D Aug 27 12:37:33 I'm anxious to hear what you're gonna say about the FR :) Aug 27 12:37:48 :D Aug 27 12:37:52 What happened? :D Aug 27 12:38:03 <|Marco|> Dave: I don't think there are any other cairo packages that are not installed right now Aug 27 12:38:15 other than libcairo2? Aug 27 12:38:22 <|Marco|> that one to Aug 27 12:38:23 and whatever python package you need to interface Aug 27 12:38:27 <|Marco|> jep Aug 27 12:38:40 So then what are you complaining about? :) Aug 27 12:38:50 Zorkman, did you discover marco's secret internet identity or something? Aug 27 12:38:53 <|Marco|> I'm not complaining... python is... Aug 27 12:38:59 <|Marco|> hehehehee Aug 27 12:39:12 python is ... *hiss* ? Aug 27 12:39:18 <|Marco|> mmmhm Aug 27 12:39:21 needs more badger? Aug 27 12:39:29 -_- Aug 27 12:39:31 <|Marco|> I AM the badger ;) Aug 27 12:39:35 :) Aug 27 12:39:36 :O Aug 27 12:39:42 <|Marco|> or so nicknamed because of grey hair Aug 27 12:39:46 * Dave confiscates Marco's shrooms Aug 27 12:39:49 damn that are a lot of screens marco :) Aug 27 12:39:58 Zorkman, what are you doing there? Aug 27 12:39:59 <|Marco|> Zorkman: neh :D Aug 27 12:40:12 I'm looking at |Marco|'s video Aug 27 12:40:15 <|Marco|> Dave: he's looking at my youtube vid's Aug 27 12:40:22 oh, blah. Aug 27 12:40:27 <|Marco|> hehe Aug 27 12:40:31 (and looking at his sketches; i'm a voyeur :)) Aug 27 12:40:35 <|Marco|> Dave: hold on, I'l make a pastebin Aug 27 12:40:36 porn! Aug 27 12:40:58 <|Marco|> um, good luck finding porn on eather my youtube account or my website Aug 27 12:41:06 uhh Aug 27 12:41:11 Youtoube is nothing but porn Aug 27 12:41:16 including freerunner porn! Aug 27 12:41:22 mokoporn Aug 27 12:41:30 <|Marco|> true :D Aug 27 12:41:37 lol. there's a "snowman" character in unicode? Aug 27 12:41:37 moko needs more viagra Aug 27 12:41:47 Freerunners Gone Wild 6 Aug 27 12:41:51 <|Marco|> gah Aug 27 12:42:04 :D Aug 27 12:42:24 lol @ scrolling at the bottom |Marco| :) Aug 27 12:42:27 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2603/index.htm Aug 27 12:42:31 o_o Aug 27 12:42:34 hello, does anybody know how to create offline maps with "om-locations-map-pack"? Aug 27 12:42:35 best unicode character ever Aug 27 12:42:35 <|Marco|> Dave: http://pastebin.com/m375e0ca2 Aug 27 12:42:46 wtf ieatlint Aug 27 12:42:57 LINT Aug 27 12:43:00 <|Marco|> Zorkman: meh.. :D Aug 27 12:43:11 hey dave Aug 27 12:43:28 Freerunner needs more unicode! Aug 27 12:43:43 I want to send snowmen to people! Aug 27 12:43:59 Joerg, bad news, dude. Aug 27 12:44:05 <|Marco|> ooh.. "Good morning Dave" (with a certain round red-glowing walleye on screen) Aug 27 12:44:20 <|Marco|> what movie ;) Aug 27 12:44:21 * Dave stabbity-stabs Marco Aug 27 12:44:30 <|Marco|> heeey Aug 27 12:44:46 i'm afraid i can't let you do that, dave Aug 27 12:44:51 <|Marco|> Independence Day ? Aug 27 12:44:55 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 27 12:45:06 * Dave stabs ieatlint in the face with his burning magnesium dagger of greeting Aug 27 12:45:08 Dave: don't tell me about "bad news"!!! Aug 27 12:45:15 <|Marco|> bah, um, Dave did you look at the pastebin ? Aug 27 12:45:19 Joerg, I still have interference :| Aug 27 12:45:30 how much was it intended to reduce? Aug 27 12:45:49 what U r talking about??? Aug 27 12:45:54 GSM INTERFERENCE Aug 27 12:45:57 MY TI EXPLODES THINGS Aug 27 12:46:00 :( Aug 27 12:46:20 I need a shielded container for my freerunner Aug 27 12:46:47 Freerunner EMPs? Aug 27 12:46:53 Terrorists Win? Aug 27 12:46:58 really don't like this strange kind of [conversation|humor...?] Aug 27 12:47:08 Sorry. Aug 27 12:47:27 Joerg, but I thought you had pushed that patch which was intended to reduce the GSM interference the other day. Aug 27 12:47:28 jOERG_zzZZzz: Dave just forgot to take his meds :) Aug 27 12:47:40 Fuck you, Zorkman. Aug 27 12:47:45 <|Marco|> just like the rest of us Aug 27 12:47:50 it is funny that your name is jOERG_zzZZzz though, it could be interpreted als jOERG_zzZZzzGSMINTERFERENCEzzZZzZZ Aug 27 12:47:52 doesn't help me to get alarmed by stupid IRC-msgs Aug 27 12:48:04 :( Aug 27 12:48:08 there there dave, calm down... Aug 27 12:48:11 * Dave throws his freerunner out the window Aug 27 12:48:13 here, have some whiskey Aug 27 12:48:24 * Zorkman gets Dave's FR and has a a spare :) Aug 27 12:48:24 * Dave throws a bottle of JD at ieatlint Aug 27 12:49:19 I just installed from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Phone won't boot that software which seems very strange. has anybody used it? Aug 27 12:49:28 I need to find out what ideal signal strength is for gsm Aug 27 12:50:53 Rupert_: i have tried it and it works Aug 27 12:51:00 have you flashed the rootfs and the kernel? Aug 27 12:51:13 * Dave ♨ Aug 27 12:51:34 Dave: there was a patch for the interference issue? Aug 27 12:51:35 where? Aug 27 12:51:54 Ask Joerg, he posted it a day or so ago! Aug 27 12:51:58 check your logs? :) Aug 27 12:52:09 Dave: there is no patch Aug 27 12:52:10 physical patch :-) Aug 27 12:52:12 and: the more annoying thing is the echo the non freerunner gets Aug 27 12:52:19 a patch of tape to be precise :-D Aug 27 12:52:24 heh, xora Aug 27 12:52:31 :) Aug 27 12:52:46 bumbl: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html Aug 27 12:52:54 Well, time to submit some bugreports. Aug 27 12:53:03 They're amassing quickly. Aug 27 12:53:25 oh, and time to put together these two Quadcore boxes I got the parts for yesterday! :D Aug 27 12:53:39 Dave: nice Aug 27 12:53:43 I hope that will be suitable enough for a decent OM build environment :P Aug 27 12:53:45 aha, to compile battle of wesnoth dave? :p Aug 27 12:53:49 they call for gentoo Aug 27 12:53:52 if it takes MORE, I have no idea what it will take Aug 27 12:54:00 zorkman, haha Aug 27 12:54:02 * XorA uses a single quad core to build Aug 27 12:54:06 Sure, if it can handle it Aug 27 12:54:12 <|Marco|> hey Zorkman, did you get a /kick out of my vid's ? Aug 27 12:54:13 <|Marco|> :D Aug 27 12:54:15 i'm using a dualcore to build Aug 27 12:54:16 Zorkman: Thanks for that there's nothing special about in terms of dfu-util or anything? Aug 27 12:54:31 of course |Marco|, besides, any publicitiy for the FR is good Aug 27 12:54:43 I typically build REAL software in our lab, but fucking openembedded... ~_~ Aug 27 12:54:53 Rupert_: absolutely nothing :(:(:( only hardware fix that is very difficult according to joerg Aug 27 12:54:54 It's just scary promiscuous code. Aug 27 12:54:59 It's not really sure WHAT it wants to be... Aug 27 12:55:05 DAve: what do you build normally? Aug 27 12:55:12 Joerg is a demigod. Aug 27 12:55:18 :) Aug 27 12:55:34 oe wants to be the perfect GSM/GPS/Wifi and gaming device to us, make it that way dave, kthx Aug 27 12:55:55 * Dave throws hot waffles at zorkman's face Aug 27 12:55:56 whee :) Aug 27 12:56:05 mmmm hot waffles Aug 27 12:56:06 ☄☄☄ Aug 27 12:56:36 ↙↙↙ Aug 27 13:00:37 hm, I just had a look at the official "unstable" package feed, and I see that the qtopia-phone-x11 packages there are rather old (i.e., they don't have the #1776 fix) Aug 27 13:00:42 does anyone know if that is intentional? Aug 27 13:02:33 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c0f76acb315 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks/*asu*] merge in the asu tasks from ASU branch Aug 27 13:02:33 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c9de992b6a8 10/packages/alsa/alsa-scenario_git.bb: [alsa-scenario] fix the versions Aug 27 13:02:33 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r4418a8d624fc 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connmann] fix the versions Aug 27 13:02:34 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf5745170349 10/packages/images/ (openmoko-asu-image.bb openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb): [openmoko-*-image] use the new asu tasks Aug 27 13:02:37 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7adb13080176 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-daemon_svn.bb: [diversity-daemon] fix the depends Aug 27 13:02:40 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra6e13261d758 10/packages/openmoko-projects/enlazar_svn.bb: [enlazar] fix the versions Aug 27 13:02:43 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rff61a2fc896e 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-config_svn.bb illume-theme-asu_svn.bb): [illume] merge in theme and config changes from ASU Aug 27 13:02:46 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ea3713c7e56 10/packages/openmoko-projects/om-settings_svn.bb: [om-settings] fix versions Aug 27 13:02:49 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf14081c51f3d 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] fix versions Aug 27 13:03:09 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2267a196391b 10/packages/openmoko-tools/openmoko-set-root-password.bb: [openmoko-set-root-password] fix versions Aug 27 13:07:29 hm... ok, looks like asu integration into org.openmoko.dev is a work in progress ;) Aug 27 13:08:30 * Dave coughs Aug 27 13:08:39 tuberculosis? Aug 27 13:08:56 * ShellEvil bets on avian flu. Aug 27 13:08:57 o_o Aug 27 13:09:05 H1N1? Aug 27 13:09:11 H5N1? Aug 27 13:09:12 :o Aug 27 13:09:13 H5, sorry Aug 27 13:09:17 :( Aug 27 13:09:19 * Dave dies Aug 27 13:09:32 don't worry lazy lulu knows voodoo remember Aug 27 13:09:54 o_o Aug 27 13:10:00 Who IS this Lazy Lulu!? Aug 27 13:10:05 I think you made them up, Zorkman. Aug 27 13:10:13 It's a conspiracy! Aug 27 13:10:19 that's a negative Aug 27 13:11:02 they already registered brokenmoko.com :) Aug 27 13:11:35 WTF!? Aug 27 13:11:38 Since yesterday!? Aug 27 13:12:06 didn't you said yesterday you were going to register it? Aug 27 13:12:10 somebody stole your idea :) Aug 27 13:12:12 NOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo Aug 27 13:12:18 Yes, I did :( Aug 27 13:12:22 who is it registered to? Aug 27 13:12:28 fuck Aug 27 13:12:33 someone registered .org as well Aug 27 13:12:35 bastards! Aug 27 13:12:42 *angst* Aug 27 13:12:43 :) Aug 27 13:12:49 AT+CPIN="****" Aug 27 13:12:54 blame the germans, or glamo Aug 27 13:12:54 cme error 100 Aug 27 13:13:13 Dave, Zorkman it is the official team : Aug 27 13:13:14 :p Aug 27 13:13:15 There is always the domain for those that just want to pretend to be interested about opensource. Aug 27 13:13:17 (it was the PIN, of course, not 4 *) Aug 27 13:13:20 tokenmoko.com Aug 27 13:13:28 borkenmoko Aug 27 13:13:52 kushal? Aug 27 13:14:08 * Dave is sad. Aug 27 13:14:19 Dave, do a whois on brokenmoko.com :p Aug 27 13:14:24 how can I completely reset the gsm chipset? Aug 27 13:14:41 Wonka: remove the battery, wait 5 mins, replace the battery Aug 27 13:14:50 switching it's power off and on, and then asserting it's reset doesn't work Aug 27 13:15:18 ShellEvil: i want a gsmd log from the very beginning - that one always scrolls out of logread :( Aug 27 13:15:22 There is no (speaking of GTA01) power switch - I think the same is true of GTA02 - it's directly connected to teh batttery Aug 27 13:15:46 Wonka: I assume you don't have a debug board:? Aug 27 13:16:09 Wonka: and 01 or 02? Aug 27 13:16:15 :( Aug 27 13:16:17 ShellEvil: i do have a debug board. i don't have a matching torx screwdriver :( Aug 27 13:16:23 ShellEvil: GTA02v5 Aug 27 13:16:26 * ShellEvil passes Wonka ebay. Aug 27 13:16:31 oh snaps Aug 27 13:16:53 openmoko ninja'ed it?! Aug 27 13:16:55 Sean Moss-Pultz Aug 27 13:17:06 It IS a conspiracy! Aug 27 13:17:07 ShellEvil: one of those shortly before the 10pF cap was added Aug 27 13:17:09 :o Aug 27 13:17:12 he's in our IRCS, stealing our lines Aug 27 13:17:22 and my domains, apparently :\ Aug 27 13:17:23 man Aug 27 13:17:26 not cool Aug 27 13:17:28 Wonka, what I use to do to get complete logs is to ssh into my FR during boot, fire up screen and do "( logread; logread -f; ) > logfile" Aug 27 13:17:48 created: 2007-07-03 13:47:45 UTC Aug 27 13:17:59 o_O Aug 27 13:18:01 long time ago it seems :) Aug 27 13:18:02 eh? Aug 27 13:18:12 Dave: wtf sean moss-pultz has registered brokenmoko? Aug 27 13:18:14 http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=brokenmoko&tld=com Aug 27 13:18:17 he is crazy Aug 27 13:18:19 apparently Aug 27 13:18:24 does somebody by any chance have experience with the qtopia sdk vmware image? i don't get the FR accepted as usb0 ethernet device Aug 27 13:18:28 bumbl: maybe he doesn't want any shit there Aug 27 13:18:31 Is that THE Sean from OM? Aug 27 13:18:48 Who I sent threatening emails to :D Aug 27 13:20:16 he is, afaik Aug 27 13:20:20 boo hiss Aug 27 13:20:21 yes sean moss-pultz is the openmoko sean Aug 27 13:20:24 What am I to do now? Aug 27 13:20:27 :| Aug 27 13:20:30 sue him Aug 27 13:20:35 and then sue him Aug 27 13:20:44 and then sue him again Aug 27 13:20:50 for steeling your idea Aug 27 13:20:56 stealing Aug 27 13:21:12 but he's not american? Aug 27 13:21:56 he is afaik Aug 27 13:22:36 well if he lives in the US I can sue him over nothing :) Aug 27 13:22:43 It is the American way, after all, right :P Aug 27 13:22:48 Dave, check the date on whois Aug 27 13:22:55 Dave, march last year Aug 27 13:23:07 ohh Aug 27 13:23:08 Taipei? Aug 27 13:23:13 is that where the company is located? Aug 27 13:23:15 In teh .cn Aug 27 13:23:19 yes Aug 27 13:23:23 pfft Aug 27 13:23:26 weak Aug 27 13:23:28 openmoko is located in taipei Aug 27 13:23:41 What's hilarious though is these registrar suggestions for registering alternate domains Aug 27 13:23:53 One of them it comes up with is OpenMokoDental.com ... Aug 27 13:23:56 That just SCARES me... Aug 27 13:24:16 mmm the openmoko makes a good pda tho Aug 27 13:24:33 * dbmoodb who wants a linux phone ;) Aug 27 13:24:34 yeah but if it ever tried its hand at dentistry, I'm sure it'd be a butcher! Aug 27 13:24:49 openmoko.tv? :o Aug 27 13:25:07 any one got glamo working nice enough to play a flash video on the freerunner ? Aug 27 13:25:08 I should just pick up openmoko.us to be a dick Aug 27 13:25:25 Dave: neopwn.com Aug 27 13:25:32 dbmoodb, I'm watching a video stream via mplayer, presently Aug 27 13:25:40 Dave: really ? ... how Aug 27 13:26:13 by using mplayer? Aug 27 13:26:17 Hello Rod Aug 27 13:26:43 Dave: but its slow as hell Aug 27 13:27:19 Dave: what distro are you on ? Aug 27 13:27:33 actually it's not doing too bad right now Aug 27 13:27:42 but usually it can be terrible yeah Aug 27 13:27:45 I'm using -framedrop though Aug 27 13:27:55 oh ? what distro.. dude Aug 27 13:28:10 dmoodb, I'm keepin it real yo, 2007.2 \o/ Aug 27 13:28:12 an you give us the mplayer command you're testing? and are you using acceleration? Aug 27 13:28:35 I mean, sure it's not good, but it's something... Aug 27 13:28:42 the audio plays fine, I can't complain too much :P Aug 27 13:28:50 and it takes my mind off of stabbing Sean in the face :) Aug 27 13:29:13 or sicking Reiser on him Aug 27 13:29:21 Dave: well .... i don't get any echo on my moko / they don't so it doesn't bother me. Aug 27 13:29:33 Yeah, it's alright. Aug 27 13:29:36 on debian the echo was like WOOWOWWOWOWO. (don't know why) Aug 27 13:29:42 some audio setting. Aug 27 13:31:30 oh sweet Aug 27 13:32:45 Dave: do you use acceleration? Aug 27 13:33:01 hardware acceleration? Aug 27 13:33:22 i.e. using the glamo? Aug 27 13:34:11 I don't. Aug 27 13:34:16 I that's what you're wondering. Aug 27 13:34:24 so if I did, it'd probably be smooth. Aug 27 13:34:43 Alas, a formal driver has yet to be presented. Aug 27 13:38:37 * Dave goes on the hunt for a new domain name Aug 27 13:39:39 trashedmoko; moko-hates.me Aug 27 13:40:20 rumors say TAsn will suck for a moko ! Aug 27 13:40:21 fuckomoko? :D Aug 27 13:40:24 hahahahaha Aug 27 13:40:27 oh snaps :p Aug 27 13:40:41 spdr_, bitch! Aug 27 13:40:45 haha Aug 27 13:40:46 though i guess that's true. Aug 27 13:40:47 fight fight fight fight! Aug 27 13:40:49 :O Aug 27 13:40:53 :D Aug 27 13:40:57 j/k Aug 27 13:41:01 oh man Aug 27 13:41:04 mine has already left ontario Aug 27 13:41:06 I rule! Aug 27 13:41:06 fuckmoko.com is available! Aug 27 13:41:06 ;0 Aug 27 13:41:08 tasn :P Aug 27 13:41:13 lollerontario Aug 27 13:41:20 crazy canucks Aug 27 13:45:50 how can I tell opkg to omit the dependencies (just install the wanted package) Aug 27 13:46:08 --force-dependencies Aug 27 13:46:22 ahh Aug 27 13:46:23 it will subsequently install regardless of whether any or all dependencies are met. :) Aug 27 13:46:31 i tried -force-depends Aug 27 13:46:34 oh Aug 27 13:46:36 isn't that it? Aug 27 13:46:51 --force-depends Aug 27 13:47:05 does that not work? Aug 27 13:47:16 --nodep ? Aug 27 13:47:33 one moment please Aug 27 13:47:44 bricode, thanks again, i ordered mine form koolu Aug 27 13:47:44 ;0 Aug 27 13:47:51 just a few days ago Aug 27 13:47:58 same goes to a friend of mine Aug 27 13:48:15 TAsn: No worries. Hopefully it will arrive shortly. Aug 27 13:48:22 somebody in customs in gonna be happy. Aug 27 13:48:27 Dave: what? Aug 27 13:48:28 ;0 Aug 27 13:48:32 DAENYTH Aug 27 13:48:39 spdr_, cause of fates phone Aug 27 13:48:41 not mine ;0 Aug 27 13:48:41 Hello! :) Aug 27 13:48:44 yeah heh Aug 27 13:48:46 hi Aug 27 13:48:48 what? Aug 27 13:48:49 Daenyth I saw you on the map last night Aug 27 13:48:52 i hope it goes through Aug 27 13:48:53 bricode, yeah, im tracking it like hell. Aug 27 13:48:54 no dave it seems its not --force-depends Aug 27 13:48:55 I was like, oh hi :D Aug 27 13:49:00 sparrow, no chance in the world. Aug 27 13:49:06 bumble, well it's worked for me in the past :| Aug 27 13:49:07 trying --nodep now Aug 27 13:49:09 spdr_, * Aug 27 13:49:16 TAsn: Patience young grasshopper :) Aug 27 13:49:35 i like my way better Aug 27 13:49:41 bumble, try --force-depends --nodeps Aug 27 13:50:01 Dave, or maybe just try the man? Aug 27 13:50:12 Dave: oh cool Aug 27 13:50:16 Dave: where are you? Aug 27 13:50:30 no manpages on moko Aug 27 13:50:35 is there? Aug 27 13:50:44 i don't think so. Aug 27 13:50:45 spdr_: not by default... dunno about packages Aug 27 13:50:58 Daenyth, NY/NJ Aug 27 13:50:58 that's a waste of room anyway. Aug 27 13:51:00 spdr_: googling for "man program" usually gets you there Aug 27 13:51:03 Dave: psh Aug 27 13:51:07 Are you in teh Boston? Aug 27 13:51:09 yeah yeah Aug 27 13:51:22 Daenyth, yeah, i know how to use google ;0 Aug 27 13:51:35 Dave: duh Aug 27 13:51:37 * Dave throws red socks at daenyth Aug 27 13:51:40 :D Aug 27 13:51:43 heh Aug 27 13:51:43 mm Aug 27 13:51:49 so yesterday Aug 27 13:51:53 anyone knows ~ shipping time to nj for ontario through xpreddes or something like that? Aug 27 13:51:55 Yeah, what happened? Aug 27 13:51:56 ;0 Aug 27 13:51:57 Tell us! Aug 27 13:51:59 I went over to a panera, but I couldn't get online Aug 27 13:52:14 yeah? Aug 27 13:52:16 oh noes! Aug 27 13:52:23 wireless? Aug 27 13:52:24 I iwlist eth0 scanned for the essid (open network), ifconfig eth0 up, iwconfig eth0 essid PANERA, udhcpc eth0 Aug 27 13:52:31 and then it wouldn't connect Aug 27 13:52:33 just kept sending discover packets Aug 27 13:52:45 any idea Aug 27 13:52:47 ? Aug 27 13:52:50 maybe you had to supply more info Aug 27 13:52:56 are you sure they had open radio? Aug 27 13:53:01 positive Aug 27 13:53:07 well if iwlist scan showed the essid they must have been broadcasting Aug 27 13:53:09 hmm Aug 27 13:53:13 weird Aug 27 13:53:20 apart from the fact that it's advertised as free wifi, iwlist said encryption key: off Aug 27 13:53:20 What did you install yesterday, Daenyth? Aug 27 13:53:28 not much uh Aug 27 13:53:28 right Aug 27 13:53:36 2007.2, 2008.8 ? Aug 27 13:53:36 vim, gps stuff, bah Aug 27 13:53:37 bash Aug 27 13:53:40 2007.2 Aug 27 13:53:47 daily from 8-24 Aug 27 13:53:52 sunday Aug 27 13:54:02 bricode, btw, does it come with a 512 microsd? Aug 27 13:54:11 I can connect to my wifi at home Aug 27 13:54:15 spdr_: thank you, --nodep worked Aug 27 13:54:23 TAsn: Yep. Aug 27 13:54:27 for some reason it seems to work better though when I iwconfig from my ssh session Aug 27 13:54:32 than when I use termianl Aug 27 13:54:34 bumbl, np Aug 27 13:54:34 terminal Aug 27 13:54:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re9d9a1994c19 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py): odeviced: use kobject uevent netlink socket to implement polling-free power status notifications Aug 27 13:54:39 daenyth :) Aug 27 13:54:49 TAsn: Handy for multi-boot. I've got qtopia on flash and 2007.2 on SD. Aug 27 13:54:52 bricode, thought so. though openmoko.com doesn't say so anymore. Aug 27 13:55:01 oh daenyth, sometimes changing ap's presents a problem Aug 27 13:55:13 Dave: I did an iwconfig eth0 down before I left my house Aug 27 13:55:16 if^ Aug 27 13:55:17 bricode, what about 2008? Aug 27 13:55:23 you don't like that one? Aug 27 13:55:51 yeah usually that may not be enough Aug 27 13:55:55 though you would typically expect it to Aug 27 13:55:57 what else Aug 27 13:55:57 bricode, i will buy a bigger card eventually but for now this sounds like a good thing to play with. Aug 27 13:55:58 TAsn: Haven't really ventured there yet. I tried ASU in the early stages. I'm more apt (no pun intended) to visit Debian. Aug 27 13:56:11 Dave: I can test it again today. What else should I do? Aug 27 13:56:12 though honestly, after upgrading kernel recently, I've been able to switch ap's (networks) successfully! Aug 27 13:56:22 Dave: what kernel? Aug 27 13:56:25 TAsn: Make sure you check out the supported SD cards page in the wiki. I've got a transcend card that is "slow". Aug 27 13:56:26 daenyth, oh yeah, did you make sure to bring usb0 down! Aug 27 13:56:32 they can't both be up at the same time Aug 27 13:56:32 Dave: mmm... maybe Aug 27 13:56:35 or the routes overlap! Aug 27 13:56:36 I can't recall Aug 27 13:56:44 Dave: yes, I was asking about that yesterday Aug 27 13:56:44 so it doesn't know where to get shit from Aug 27 13:56:48 bricode, do you have a link? Aug 27 13:56:56 Dave: pretty sure I did bring it down... Aug 27 13:56:58 ifconfig eth0 up && if config usb0 down Aug 27 13:56:59 but not totally sure Aug 27 13:57:04 ifconfig rather Aug 27 13:57:05 :) Aug 27 13:57:07 mm Aug 27 13:57:12 needs moar scripts Aug 27 13:57:21 I wonder if I could port arch's netcfg to OM Aug 27 13:57:28 hah Aug 27 13:57:30 it's just bash I think, shouldn't be too hard.. Aug 27 13:57:31 arcwhore :D Aug 27 13:57:37 bricode: what do you mean slow card tho ? Aug 27 13:57:37 bricode, i actually wanna try debian and qtopia and 2008 and 2007 and shr and everything :) Aug 27 13:57:41 arch is the best linux distro :) Aug 27 13:57:46 \o/ Aug 27 13:57:49 TAsn: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Aug 27 13:57:50 after debian? :D Aug 27 13:57:53 * Dave giggles Aug 27 13:57:58 if I knew more about the gritty internals I'd try to start porting the whole os Aug 27 13:57:59 Dave, before Aug 27 13:58:04 definitely better than debian Aug 27 13:58:04 * TAsn is using arch Aug 27 13:58:07 100% Aug 27 13:58:09 dbmoodb: Requires you to change the SD clock in U-boot as a parameter for it to function properly. Aug 27 13:58:16 tasn, on your frreerunner? good luck! Aug 27 13:58:17 ah we can do that ? Aug 27 13:58:19 debian first. Aug 27 13:58:24 Dave, home computer ;0 Aug 27 13:58:27 pacman is better, it's faster, community is better, no stupid patched software (openssl etc), always up to date Aug 27 13:58:28 oh heh ;;p Aug 27 13:58:32 less impressive a feat Aug 27 13:58:34 but good for you :) Aug 27 13:58:36 bricode: well ... i have a slow scandisk 8 gb card ... will that fix my suspending ? Aug 27 13:58:37 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07specs * r8b19896e8280 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ousage: update ousage documentation Aug 27 13:58:38 glad to see you guys enjoying yourself Aug 27 13:58:41 Daenyth: can't be - you know there is a distro which is actually better, it's called gentoo Aug 27 13:58:42 Debian will make a good development environment for certain people. Aug 27 13:58:56 bumbl: what is good about gentoo that arch doesn't do? Aug 27 13:58:57 bricode: debian is great Aug 27 13:59:01 Daenyth: does arch make it easy to run only DFSG-free software? Aug 27 13:59:03 dbmoodb: I think that's a different issue. Aug 27 13:59:09 Daenyth: gentoo runs on the freerunner Aug 27 13:59:12 bricode: :) ? Aug 27 13:59:18 Daenyth, a bit ugly but works: http://pastebin.ca/1186344 Aug 27 13:59:20 "runs" Aug 27 13:59:21 lindi-: I suppose, though most people don't care Aug 27 13:59:29 for me atleast Aug 27 13:59:36 well i am running lenny and don't care about it. Aug 27 13:59:42 arch has too much packages for the few developers and no, the user repository is not the solution Aug 27 13:59:42 :D Aug 27 13:59:44 bumbl: mmm, can't wait to compile my OS on a 400mhz cpu Aug 27 13:59:46 * Dave high-fives dbmoodb Aug 27 13:59:47 dbmoodb: I think it has something to do with the timing of putting things to sleep and waking them back up, but I'm not sure. Aug 27 13:59:52 bricode, what does the speed part mean? Aug 27 13:59:54 daenyth, haha Aug 27 13:59:56 epic Aug 27 13:59:59 i.e is blank better than x80? Aug 27 14:00:05 Daenyth: ever heard of cross compiling Aug 27 14:00:12 :P Aug 27 14:00:12 bricode: i think if i can get it to be in the flash part of the neo (kernel and basic stuff...) then it would solve that problem Aug 27 14:00:14 huhu Aug 27 14:00:14 hurf Aug 27 14:00:30 * Daenyth shoves a metal pole up spdr_'s ass for not having use strict; Aug 27 14:00:40 i wanna buy an 8 gb sandisk microsd Aug 27 14:00:43 which is best? Aug 27 14:00:46 * Tanuva thinks about using lenny instead of sid for desktop use... Aug 27 14:00:52 morning Aug 27 14:00:57 Goedmorgen! Aug 27 14:01:05 TAsn: On the SD card page? How fast the max transfer to the card is. Given that the Freerunner is an embedded system, the bus speeds tap out at about ~2 MB/sec Aug 27 14:01:05 moin rwhitby-tokyo :) Aug 27 14:01:09 TAsn: your using sid for a desktop rofl. rwhitby-tokyo your in tokyo? nice Aug 27 14:01:18 Daenyth: do you? ;) Aug 27 14:01:28 dbmoodb: yep, business. Aug 27 14:01:29 duh Aug 27 14:01:30 今日は Aug 27 14:01:31 dbmoodb, im not using debian~! Aug 27 14:01:34 Daenyth, fuck strict, its too...too strict ;p Aug 27 14:01:43 spdr_: you will never become good at perl Aug 27 14:01:46 dbmoodb: yep, sidux. runs quite fine, just from time to time it has its issues :D Aug 27 14:01:47 and its a 2 min script anyways Aug 27 14:01:48 bricode, i know, but no real info is there. Aug 27 14:01:49 yay perl! Aug 27 14:01:49 :P Aug 27 14:01:55 * Dave high-fives daenyth Aug 27 14:01:58 Daenyth, he knows he sucks at perl Aug 27 14:02:07 tasn knows he sucks at programming. Aug 27 14:02:10 as long as i dont suck for a moko Aug 27 14:02:13 ;0 Aug 27 14:02:15 haha Aug 27 14:02:16 TAsn: i use luks .. so i can't have too many things break Aug 27 14:02:16 lol Aug 27 14:02:17 sparrow, stfu. Aug 27 14:02:17 like tasn? :P Aug 27 14:02:21 hahaha Aug 27 14:02:25 i didn't do that. Aug 27 14:02:25 man, you two... Aug 27 14:02:31 spdr_, * Aug 27 14:02:33 what is it with you two. Aug 27 14:02:41 spdr_: : does not need to be escaped in a regex... Aug 27 14:02:55 nor " Aug 27 14:03:04 *rebooting the moko and hoping for the best* Aug 27 14:03:22 did i escape them? wonder why Aug 27 14:04:15 spdr_, because you don't even know what $#foobar does... Aug 27 14:04:15 ;0 Aug 27 14:04:33 atleast i know foreach exists. Aug 27 14:04:37 ;0 Aug 27 14:04:57 i also know that. Aug 27 14:05:00 not using $crap[$i] every list i use Aug 27 14:05:08 but i needed the counter! Aug 27 14:05:08 yeah yeah :p Aug 27 14:05:10 * Tanuva installs lennyb1 on his slackware partition... Aug 27 14:06:16 spdr_: you apparantly don't know about hashes though Aug 27 14:06:30 try not to keep related data in multiple arrays.. Aug 27 14:06:58 mmf Aug 27 14:06:59 ok Aug 27 14:07:16 let me rewrite this thing properly Aug 27 14:07:20 as i said, it was a 2 min script, i think i edited it on my moko since the moment i wrote it Aug 27 14:07:21 I was just using iwlist eth0 scan | grep :off before :p Aug 27 14:07:25 but now Aug 27 14:07:34 I shall make it full of sweetness and light Aug 27 14:07:45 np: Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains - Buckethead - [The Big Eyeball in the Sky #1] Aug 27 14:07:48 :D Aug 27 14:07:55 such a creepy creepy song :D Aug 27 14:08:06 heh, well show the results after your done :) Aug 27 14:08:13 :o Aug 27 14:08:15 Daenyth, believe me Aug 27 14:08:20 spdr_: off ? Aug 27 14:08:27 you don't want to see some of the other hacks he used. Aug 27 14:08:30 ;0 Aug 27 14:08:32 TAsn: heh Aug 27 14:08:37 lemme rewrite this thing properly Aug 27 14:08:38 gimme a bit Aug 27 14:08:38 TAsn, dont make me start pasting Aug 27 14:08:43 ;0 Aug 27 14:08:46 spdr_, :) Aug 27 14:08:47 what are you writing? :O Aug 27 14:08:59 #!/usr/bin/perl Daenyth Aug 27 14:09:06 all those "# Ugly hack" parts :) Aug 27 14:09:09 Dave, a novel about a moko an it's wife. Aug 27 14:09:15 o_o Aug 27 14:09:16 spdr_, sh.. Aug 27 14:09:17 what the fuck? :D Aug 27 14:09:20 lindi-: btw have you got / seen any one recording audio on debian (so for like voip / in general) ? Aug 27 14:09:26 at least i say when i hack. Aug 27 14:10:00 "#written by spdr" is the same as "#ugly hack" Aug 27 14:10:00 ;0 Aug 27 14:10:11 \0xBADCODE Aug 27 14:10:31 Dave: thanks, was actually just looking for the spot with that Aug 27 14:10:35 spot for that^ Aug 27 14:10:36 TAsn, i never write that Aug 27 14:10:37 mmm can one read qr codes on linux easily with a web cam ? Aug 27 14:11:16 does anyone know if Aug 27 14:11:25 SDSDQR-8192-E12M Aug 27 14:11:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r8abd707f8cf9 10/sounds/ (notify_charging.wav notify_discharging.wav): add charging and discharging tones Aug 27 14:11:29 is safe to buf Aug 27 14:11:32 buy* Aug 27 14:11:39 according to the wiki page? Aug 27 14:11:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Aug 27 14:12:22 TAsn: safe ? --- just test it at the place. --- mine is "safe" but i can't resume after suspending on debian (probably is a different issue tho). Aug 27 14:12:40 i can't open it. Aug 27 14:12:54 and i can't verify if it boots from uboot Aug 27 14:12:54 rofl..... Aug 27 14:13:06 *i can boot from it Aug 27 14:13:19 TAsn: hw cxan i check the one i haver in ? Aug 27 14:13:30 hrmf Aug 27 14:13:32 5.8.8 :/ Aug 27 14:13:35 dbmoodb, what? Aug 27 14:13:42 is there a way to get perl 5.10 on here? Aug 27 14:14:04 sdcard ? Aug 27 14:14:11 :D Aug 27 14:14:34 take it out Aug 27 14:14:35 daenyth, so compile 5.10 for arm :D Aug 27 14:14:43 whee, p6 :D Aug 27 14:14:46 and stare at it till it tells you all the information you want. Aug 27 14:14:48 i have a sdsdqr- 8192-p11m.... Aug 27 14:15:08 TAsn: dodgy method to do that -- "turn off" Aug 27 14:15:30 dbmoodb, what are you talking about? Aug 27 14:15:39 i still can't open the plastic box in the store Aug 27 14:15:48 so i can't get the card Aug 27 14:15:59 to test it in the first place Aug 27 14:16:12 I kind of wish the freerunner could stand up on it's own... now I'll have to build a stand. Aug 27 14:16:17 it says it on the pack Aug 27 14:16:22 not that I don't mind, since it'll be better anyway, but still kind of annoying. Aug 27 14:16:33 well im off. Aug 27 14:16:41 Daenyth, let's write perl, and take over the openmoko community! Aug 27 14:16:52 dbmoodb, but i don't know from the pack if it even works Aug 27 14:16:53 lol?! Aug 27 14:17:00 * Dave hides from ronny Aug 27 14:17:02 since it may not be on the wiki Aug 27 14:17:08 and the wiki isn't complete Aug 27 14:19:27 what??? Aug 27 14:19:29 the wiki is not complkete? Aug 27 14:20:17 how do you get usb0 to be deteeected on debian Aug 27 14:21:07 Dave: working on it, gimme a bit : Aug 27 14:21:28 http://rafb.net/p/8CM87W58.html Aug 27 14:21:36 Dave ! Aug 27 14:21:41 hello, i heard that there was a patch for the landscape mode...was it integrated in the last release? Aug 27 14:21:46 Torikuns! Aug 27 14:21:51 Daenyth =] Aug 27 14:22:06 iwlist item "Quality" is the signal strength in %? Aug 27 14:22:25 more like bullshit at the moment Aug 27 14:22:29 driver is kind of fucked up Aug 27 14:22:32 I'll skip it then Aug 27 14:22:33 k Aug 27 14:22:37 like 268/94? Aug 27 14:22:40 wtf :P Aug 27 14:24:37 because i'd love to use landscape mode(i will get my openmoko at my return of holliday...) Aug 27 14:24:39 ugh Aug 27 14:24:46 spdr_: `` in void context, you NAUGHTY boy Aug 27 14:24:51 system() Aug 27 14:24:52 ffs Aug 27 14:24:56 *spank* *spank* *spank* Aug 27 14:24:59 haha Aug 27 14:25:07 That's how the Android boys do ;) Aug 27 14:26:29 openmoko: 03zecke * r980968fa7e73 10/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [SMS] Add test case for the PDU parsing Aug 27 14:31:24 add tests for wifi Aug 27 14:31:31 because it's broken Aug 27 14:32:43 http://rafb.net/p/AkDwqH46.html Aug 27 14:32:49 just gotta write up the pretty printing now Aug 27 14:32:53 any errors spotted? Aug 27 14:35:01 <|Marco|> *cough* Aug 27 14:35:06 You appear to be writing a wifi script? Would you like help? Aug 27 14:35:15 >:) Aug 27 14:35:32 * |Marco| looks sheepish at Dave... it looks like I DID lack a bunch of python packs Aug 27 14:35:35 oh woops Aug 27 14:35:41 Marco >:) Aug 27 14:35:44 seems like :p Aug 27 14:35:46 heehee Aug 27 14:35:51 I just noticed I have %networks all over instead of $networks Aug 27 14:35:54 I experienced something similar when I first started :) Aug 27 14:35:55 haha, silly perl 6... Aug 27 14:35:57 Daenyth, yeah Aug 27 14:36:07 I was like, wtf is this noob doing :) Aug 27 14:36:12 hehe yeah Aug 27 14:36:14 hashrefs ftw Aug 27 14:36:33 <|Marco|> oi, the settings thing in asu 2008.8 shows wifi signal strength in realistic % Aug 27 14:36:37 In other news, my python socket code explodes Aug 27 14:36:51 <|Marco|> *BLAM* Aug 27 14:36:52 Dave: did you add use IO::Socket;? :> Aug 27 14:36:53 Marco, good for 2008.8 Aug 27 14:37:01 Daenyth, if only :P Aug 27 14:37:03 fucking python Aug 27 14:37:06 :D Aug 27 14:37:18 <|Marco|> just thought Daenyth might like to look at it Aug 27 14:37:18 I used their socket lib, which is fine, but I managed to fuck it up, I guess :) Aug 27 14:37:26 Marco, oh, would he now. Aug 27 14:37:44 any chance getting raw sockets to work? :0 Aug 27 14:37:48 # Aug 27 14:37:48 $essid =~ s/\n//; # Not really Aug 27 14:37:48 # Aug 27 14:37:49 $essid =~ s/\r//; # sure about This ... Aug 27 14:37:50 err Aug 27 14:37:50 sure Aug 27 14:37:53 sorry for the flood Aug 27 14:37:55 uggh Aug 27 14:37:58 spdr_: perldoc -f chomp PLEASE Aug 27 14:37:59 pesky parsing Aug 27 14:38:01 lol Daenyth Aug 27 14:38:46 i wrote the whole thing without testing, i know its an ugly script :) Aug 27 14:39:19 i figured, as long as it works ... :X Aug 27 14:39:38 heh Aug 27 14:39:57 Welcome, Jon Aug 27 14:40:42 GCWILSON Aug 27 14:42:35 Dave Aug 27 14:42:51 It's you! Aug 27 14:44:09 Torikun: usb0 should depend only on kernel, nothing distro specific, right? Aug 27 14:44:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3e07f8280afb 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Aug 27 14:44:20 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: add triggers and rules for power management Aug 27 14:44:20 freesmartphone.org: (NOTE: after MS3 we need to separate the device specific stuff from the generic stuff here!) Aug 27 14:44:49 lol Aug 27 14:45:14 hey everyone Aug 27 14:45:21 howdy ya'll Aug 27 14:45:23 spdr_, still laughing at you coding skills? Aug 27 14:45:24 ;0 Aug 27 14:45:41 thats it, im uploading all your code TAsn. Aug 27 14:45:46 :( Aug 27 14:45:51 sorry Aug 27 14:45:55 i admit Aug 27 14:45:59 possibly dedicating an xkcd site to it Aug 27 14:46:09 spdr_ is a better person than me Aug 27 14:46:13 lol Aug 27 14:46:15 he got his moko first. Aug 27 14:49:28 comparing the time it took him to rewrite, i'd better stick with my fast writing rather than learn perl while writing or whatever is going on at his side Aug 27 14:50:30 and TAsn, let me remind you some of your code: Aug 27 14:50:36 while ($getaddr=~s/\r|\n//gs) {} #we don't want no mac\linux\windows newlines Aug 27 14:50:46 so? Aug 27 14:50:51 that's not chomp related Aug 27 14:50:55 it's in line. Aug 27 14:51:17 how about using regex in a while expression Aug 27 14:51:20 that does nothing Aug 27 14:51:23 but the regex ? Aug 27 14:51:56 can u explain that to me ?... Aug 27 14:52:00 ChanServ, please kick him ;0 Aug 27 14:52:09 i guess i had a reason Aug 27 14:52:11 while ($turl =~ s/@@/+AND+..../g) {} Aug 27 14:52:15 * TAsn run s out, crying Aug 27 14:52:18 no, check out all your code ;0 Aug 27 14:52:27 wait! Aug 27 14:52:30 that's not my code Aug 27 14:52:34 it's yours improved Aug 27 14:52:57 adding while(...) {} is no improvement Aug 27 14:53:18 my code, the one i have here, never includes such expressions Aug 27 14:53:34 * Dave laughs uncontrollably Aug 27 14:53:41 spdr_, you sound like BB Aug 27 14:53:50 what the party says is the truth Aug 27 14:53:57 type of stuff Aug 27 14:54:00 i do like BB, thats why i vote likud Aug 27 14:54:05 ;0 Aug 27 14:54:05 ;0 Aug 27 14:54:08 hi, im having a problem using om 2008.8 in ubuntu hardy. when i click the buttons it presents me nothing happens Aug 27 14:54:09 are you guys fighting about pcre now? Aug 27 14:54:15 pcre? Aug 27 14:54:23 Dave, we are not fighting. Aug 27 14:54:28 i think it just slided to politics ;0 Aug 27 14:54:33 we are not even opponents Aug 27 14:54:36 he has a moko Aug 27 14:54:37 and i don't Aug 27 14:54:41 i have no chance. Aug 27 14:55:26 Dave, whenever i piss him off he can just remind me my moko is still in ontario ;0 Aug 27 14:55:31 who's BB? Aug 27 14:55:40 Zorkman, the leader of Aug 27 14:55:42 ingsoc Aug 27 14:55:44 of course. Aug 27 14:55:44 Barack bobama? Aug 27 14:55:48 :P Aug 27 14:55:51 BlackBerry? Aug 27 14:56:02 Dave, that one is also evil. Aug 27 14:56:12 Zorkman, Big brother... Aug 27 14:56:28 Oh Aug 27 14:56:34 lollerdanes Aug 27 14:56:48 ah, sorry didn't read the previous chat right, i read that someone voted for BB :) Aug 27 14:56:58 anyhows, bb will win. Aug 27 14:56:59 my eyes and brain are playing tricks on le Aug 27 14:56:59 :) Aug 27 14:57:00 *me Aug 27 14:57:11 spdr_, he may Aug 27 14:57:14 or maybe it's the EM field of the FR that is distorting reality locally Aug 27 14:57:53 Zorkman, the moko is strong with this one. Aug 27 14:57:55 what's the command for locking? Aug 27 14:57:59 I want to run it from the shell Aug 27 14:58:21 hehe Aug 27 14:58:24 moko moko moko Aug 27 14:58:44 moko mania Aug 27 14:58:50 we are all going crazy Aug 27 14:58:50 TAsn, he will, if he wont, im off to australia or somewhere Aug 27 14:58:59 spdr_, canada for me. Aug 27 14:59:11 canada is cold Aug 27 14:59:15 anyone could check for me? you just need to lock & poke at ps output Aug 27 14:59:17 in australia u get free cancer. Aug 27 14:59:21 spdr_, they have plenty of mokos. Aug 27 14:59:36 no distributor in australia... Aug 27 14:59:50 i can live with that Aug 27 15:00:00 cya. Aug 27 15:00:00 ;) Aug 27 15:00:05 but there are chicks in australia with a FR Aug 27 15:00:17 scary, huh? Aug 27 15:00:23 heh Aug 27 15:00:25 I make it easier; just lock it, and paste the ps output so I can check :-) Aug 27 15:00:29 anyone? Aug 27 15:00:38 nyu, why dont you ? Aug 27 15:00:43 sorry nyu, i'm from barcelona Aug 27 15:00:43 cock lock and stop it Aug 27 15:00:49 spdr_: it fails Aug 27 15:00:52 Zorkman, you are? o_O Aug 27 15:00:53 oh Aug 27 15:00:55 Zorkman: me too Aug 27 15:00:58 my moko is off :0 Aug 27 15:01:05 Zorkman: did you get yours from David? Aug 27 15:01:40 I wonder if I can daemonize gpe-scap Aug 27 15:01:44 :O Aug 27 15:01:45 :o Aug 27 15:02:10 c'mon it's easy Aug 27 15:02:30 I can't debug the problem if I dont' know which is the buggy command Aug 27 15:02:31 (nyu: i'm not really from barcelone, it's something from a brittish humoristic serie called Fawlty Towers, someone named Manuel always says in a thick spannish accent: "I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona") Aug 27 15:02:52 eh Aug 27 15:03:30 eh eh? Aug 27 15:04:27 <|Marco|> oh joy.... pyton-pycairo is installed but it's NOT installed so python can't find it.. Aug 27 15:04:47 :o Aug 27 15:04:48 yeah seems like everyone has problems with that one Aug 27 15:04:52 hmm? Aug 27 15:05:12 Aye Know nahsing. Aug 27 15:05:17 it's crazy Egyptian shit Aug 27 15:05:25 eye ahm frahm jermahny Aug 27 15:05:35 :) Aug 27 15:05:43 <|Marco|> and you are drunk Aug 27 15:05:44 crazy deutsch Aug 27 15:05:48 doitch Aug 27 15:06:10 Marco, and you're missing packages! Aug 27 15:06:32 dink ! drink Aug 27 15:06:43 TAsn: are you in australia ? Aug 27 15:06:52 siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifffffffffff Aug 27 15:06:57 <|Marco|> pangocairo ?? Aug 27 15:07:05 http://rafb.net/p/UoB3Ye62.html Aug 27 15:07:06 Dave: ping Aug 27 15:07:10 done Aug 27 15:07:14 bong Aug 27 15:07:15 err wait Aug 27 15:07:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r4a1e0f8d96f5 10/src/zhone: adjust to the new ResourceChanged signal Aug 27 15:07:23 surprise code! Aug 27 15:07:30 if ($networks{$ap}->{encryption} ne 'off') { next }; Aug 27 15:07:38 that should be the line, the one in that file was for testing Aug 27 15:07:42 http://rafb.net/p/oZ1QlH60.html Aug 27 15:07:49 neww? Aug 27 15:08:00 why is there a semicolon after a closing brace? Aug 27 15:08:07 where Aug 27 15:08:11 it's not a class or package definition Aug 27 15:08:12 line 20? Aug 27 15:08:18 The thing you just pasted? Aug 27 15:08:26 what line Aug 27 15:08:26 nevermind -_- Aug 27 15:08:41 if you mean line 20 it's because it's declaring a variable :P Aug 27 15:09:06 I'm talking about the conditional line you just pasted in the fucking channel. Aug 27 15:09:13 But I'm not going to obsess about it. Aug 27 15:09:18 oh that Aug 27 15:09:33 removed :p Aug 27 15:09:39 -_- Aug 27 15:09:42 uh huh Aug 27 15:09:46 anyway Aug 27 15:09:48 in other news, why don't you have daenyth.com? Aug 27 15:09:49 :p Aug 27 15:09:51 I tried to keep the output small Aug 27 15:10:01 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r13e4a528db1c 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py): ousaged: add more information to the ResourceChanged signal Aug 27 15:10:04 [type] (AP) 'essid' Aug 27 15:10:10 where type is a/b/g/n Aug 27 15:10:22 so that it's easy to read on the phone screen Aug 27 15:10:31 heh Aug 27 15:10:37 yeah, that might be nice :) Aug 27 15:10:53 it ignores all networks that are encrypted for the moment Aug 27 15:10:59 bah Aug 27 15:11:05 Dave: for printing Aug 27 15:11:09 it still saves the data Aug 27 15:11:17 you'll just have to modify the print Aug 27 15:11:39 brb fewds Aug 27 15:12:22 Dave: have you heard anything about flash-on-FR? Aug 27 15:12:33 actually Aug 27 15:12:35 AFK, going out Aug 27 15:12:39 (I'll bring my fr :P) Aug 27 15:12:47 oh wait, one thing Aug 27 15:12:51 Flash as in Shockwave? Aug 27 15:12:53 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: gnash? Aug 27 15:12:55 is there any way i can get my contacts from my sim card even if they have non-standard chars? Aug 27 15:13:01 since I live in a city, it's almost impossible to hear people talking on the phone Aug 27 15:13:11 how can I make it louder? Aug 27 15:13:35 I tried messing with alsamixer but I can't figure out the channel, and Dialer seems to change the volume on its own and ignore my settings Aug 27 15:13:36 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: gnash should work well on it; I hear its been used on embedded before (e.g. olpc) Aug 27 15:13:54 and the FR is not so different from olpc resource-wise Aug 27 15:13:58 is there an ipk available? and why is nobody playing flashgames on it? Aug 27 15:14:21 Dave: how do you deal with the volume issue Aug 27 15:14:47 Daenyth: alsamixer Aug 27 15:14:51 Daenyth: alsamixer Aug 27 15:15:01 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: I said I already tried that.. Aug 27 15:15:05 nyu: The proc in the OLPC is quite a bit faster. Aug 27 15:15:13 can you tell me what channel? And dialer seems to change the volume settings on its own Aug 27 15:15:23 so I have no clue what to change Aug 27 15:15:42 I can't tell you by heart, you'll have to play with ti while using sound Aug 27 15:15:46 meh Aug 27 15:16:26 volume issue? Aug 27 15:16:29 what volume issue? Aug 27 15:16:51 daenyth, right now I have this freerunner connected to a five piece surround system Aug 27 15:17:00 I'm not complaining :) Aug 27 15:17:02 :P Aug 27 15:17:52 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: Flash on the OLPC was a little rough in video land. About 5-8 fps Aug 27 15:18:29 blah Aug 27 15:18:45 does anyone know what channel controls the phone speaker? :/ Aug 27 15:18:58 I can't figure it out, nothing I change has an effect while I'm talking Aug 27 15:19:15 5-8FPS ?? :( Aug 27 15:19:23 is there any hope of improving it on the FR? Aug 27 15:19:37 yeah, pretty much Aug 27 15:19:50 daenyth :( Aug 27 15:20:02 zorkman, yeah, somebody make a glamo driver ? Aug 27 15:20:05 REAL Aug 27 15:20:09 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: doubtful. One of the reasons the OLPC project went with the Geode proc was that it has a floating point. Aug 27 15:20:30 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: Geode also had SSE instructions to help with decode. Aug 27 15:20:41 bricode, and why is this a disappointing aspect? Aug 27 15:21:49 Dave: That flash doesn't run? I didn't say it was. Apple even dodges using flash by using h.264 instead a la m.youtube.com Aug 27 15:22:17 Dave: The glamo not having native h.264 decode is a bit unfortunate though. Aug 27 15:22:20 whats the deal with this glamo anyways ? Aug 27 15:22:27 bricode__: it has mpeg4 no ? Aug 27 15:22:32 yes Aug 27 15:22:38 dbmoodb: yep Aug 27 15:22:44 flash? Aug 27 15:22:45 so... transcode rofl Aug 27 15:22:50 Who cares about flash? Aug 27 15:23:01 dboomb, indeed Aug 27 15:23:02 some cool little games in flash dave Aug 27 15:23:02 wget file... transcode then play :) Aug 27 15:23:03 dbmoodb: Which is okay, but transcoding everything can be a bit of a pain. Not impossible. Aug 27 15:23:14 and I like to make flash files, so I would like to look at them on my fr :) Aug 27 15:23:21 heh Aug 27 15:23:26 you're evil Aug 27 15:23:29 flash is a god Aug 27 15:23:52 FLASH IS BLASPHEMY Aug 27 15:24:03 FLASH IS GOOD FOR YOU Aug 27 15:24:12 fuck you! Aug 27 15:24:17 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: i heard flash is your mum Aug 27 15:24:27 just kidding Aug 27 15:24:31 The reason why flash won was that it was easy to install/use and became ubiquitous. Transcoding doesn't meet that metric. Aug 27 15:24:50 Flash is evil! Aug 27 15:25:08 nobody else has any problem with the volume? :/ Aug 27 15:25:14 bricode__: automated transcoding .... perhaps we can just shove a server up and so it will be automatic.. grab youtube video --> transcode --> link for openmoko Aug 27 15:25:19 retracile: only because flash on linux sucks :) Aug 27 15:25:37 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: flash on windows sucks more Aug 27 15:25:38 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: ... which is because it's proprietary. Aug 27 15:25:58 dbmoodb: actually I really like it on windows Aug 27 15:26:01 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: not only does it still use 100% cpu it also uses more memory. Aug 27 15:26:07 * retracile dons his FreeSofwareZealot badge ;) Aug 27 15:26:21 dbmoodb: True. Adds a bit of latency to starting your stream though, and doesn't allow for too many simult. accesses. Aug 27 15:26:26 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: ok trust me its just the same as on linux. linux has it better if anything cuz the os doesn't crash when that happens. Aug 27 15:26:28 retracile! Aug 27 15:26:37 Dave! Aug 27 15:26:52 * Dave slaps zorkman around a bit with the iliad Aug 27 15:27:03 dbmoodb: I used Windows almost my entire life, it might be because I suck at linux, but flash surely runs much better on Windows Aug 27 15:27:06 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: go to abc.com.au find the iview and use it on windows - i promise you it takes up near 100% of your cpu. no matter what damn os your on. Aug 27 15:27:44 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: every other site works better on linux for me with swf-dec or gnash. i don't want to use adobe flash. its just a security nightmare not to meantion proprietary. Aug 27 15:28:30 huhuhu Aug 27 15:28:43 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman, Flash sucks period. Aug 27 15:28:49 PERIOD Aug 27 15:28:55 * Dave high-fives Sargun Aug 27 15:29:00 yep period -- doesnt matter the os Aug 27 15:29:02 yah! Aug 27 15:29:05 :) Aug 27 15:29:24 Feeeeel the hatred.... Aug 27 15:29:31 pure hate. Aug 27 15:29:32 Let the hate flow through you! Aug 27 15:29:34 sigh Aug 27 15:29:35 >:) Aug 27 15:29:39 the volume issue is really serious Aug 27 15:29:49 Daenyth: ah ? Aug 27 15:29:52 if I can't hear people talking when I'm outside I can't use the fr as my main phone Aug 27 15:30:02 Daenyth, ALSAMIXER! Aug 27 15:30:08 Sargun: WHAT CHANNEL Aug 27 15:30:10 Daenyth: really i can... what distro rofl (sargun). Aug 27 15:30:12 haha Aug 27 15:30:13 every single channel I tried has no effect Aug 27 15:30:15 MORE YELLING Aug 27 15:30:16 Sargun: opinions differ, I liek it and I like working with it Aug 27 15:30:20 I've said that at least 3 times Aug 27 15:30:21 Daenyth: I'm working to get my FR to replace my current PDA. So I haven't dealt with using it as a phone yet, so I can't offer much help. Aug 27 15:30:27 Daenyth, brute force? Aug 27 15:30:34 zorkman, you just spelled like, liek, case closed. Aug 27 15:30:45 :P Aug 27 15:30:55 Sargun: the other thing is that when I open dialer it changes volume levels. so I don't even know if my change will persist Aug 27 15:31:06 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: enjoying a linux based phone (i wouldn't take this one as a good example tho atm). Aug 27 15:31:08 Daenyth, it wont Aug 27 15:31:23 save your file to /etc with alsactl and overwrite the standard confirm for GSM fun. Aug 27 15:31:44 ZzZzZzzzzZorkman, You're weird, you're different, I don't like you. Aug 27 15:31:48 config Aug 27 15:31:49 yeah, I unfortunately went through that whole thing recently. Aug 27 15:31:59 Sargun, haha, well, aren't we nice :) Aug 27 15:32:12 Sargun: ... played with that on debian -- couldnt' get it to record / work for a voip app Aug 27 15:32:15 Zorkman, "he doesn't like you." Aug 27 15:32:23 openmoko: 03tick * r4613 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_cmd.c: Aug 27 15:32:23 openmoko: [opkg] fix opkg crashes if PATH is unset Aug 27 15:32:23 openmoko: Thanks for chgros Aug 27 15:32:24 We are :-) Aug 27 15:32:25 Sargun: what do I overwrite in /etc Aug 27 15:32:25 "I don't like you either." >:) Aug 27 15:32:28 Daenyth, a file. Aug 27 15:32:31 ;-) Aug 27 15:32:35 heehee Aug 27 15:32:40 Daenyth, do you have your levels adjusted with alsamixer? Aug 27 15:32:47 * TeLLuS got a Neo Freerunner today! Soon some flashing.. :) Aug 27 15:32:48 oh man, I wonder if I can watch starwars on my moko Aug 27 15:32:50 Sargun: find /etc -iname gsm returns nothing Aug 27 15:32:56 Go Tellus! Aug 27 15:33:12 Dave: sure, telnet towel.blinkenlights.de or so.. Aug 27 15:33:18 no Aug 27 15:33:30 The actual movie :P Aug 27 15:33:47 .nl^ Aug 27 15:33:48 Daenyth: what's the actual url ? /host to telnet for it Aug 27 15:33:54 Daenyth, do "alsactl -f ~/headset.gsm store" Aug 27 15:33:56 dbmoodb: towel.blinkenlights.nl Aug 27 15:33:59 Daenyth, Aug 27 15:34:05 Sargun: and it will use that? Aug 27 15:34:09 Daenyth, find /etc|grep fsm -- Does that give you anything? Aug 27 15:34:19 Daenyth, No, but you can restore that file on a call Aug 27 15:34:24 no Aug 27 15:34:32 no result Aug 27 15:34:38 Daenyth: do you know the toilets at mits telnet thing ? Aug 27 15:34:41 Sargun, are you referring to asound? Aug 27 15:34:42 Dave: ? Aug 27 15:34:45 dbmoodb: Aug 27 15:34:53 did you figure out your levels with alsamixer? Aug 27 15:35:20 Sargun: I still can't find a channel that has any effect Aug 27 15:35:33 mits has a telnet service you can use to see what toilets are being used Aug 27 15:35:41 can't you just tell me what channel to change/give me a working config file? Aug 27 15:36:00 Daenyth, I have no idea, I'm just trying to help :-(( Aug 27 15:36:13 I'm sorry that I'm unable to give you a config file Aug 27 15:36:16 Daenyth: you can use some preset ones. Aug 27 15:36:29 pre-set* Aug 27 15:37:21 ah Aug 27 15:37:34 the way you were talking about it I thought you had been able to fix it yourself Aug 27 15:37:37 sorry Aug 27 15:37:41 dbmoodb: ok... ? Where are they Aug 27 15:37:59 for what distro ? Aug 27 15:38:04 uh Aug 27 15:38:07 oh Aug 27 15:38:17 I thought you meant there were ones for the fr available Aug 27 15:38:20 well there are settings for 2007.2 ... 2008 and fso -- probably all really similar Aug 27 15:38:29 that doesn't help me, since any settings I have here won't have any of the FR channels Aug 27 15:38:36 I have 2007.2 Aug 27 15:38:57 :) Aug 27 15:39:27 well they are available some where just take a look on the wiki / blah. Aug 27 15:39:33 blah Aug 27 15:39:39 I've been looking at the wiki since saturday Aug 27 15:39:45 openmoko: 03tick * r4614 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_install.c: [opkg] Remove the orphan packages while upgrading Aug 27 15:40:05 ohreally ? Aug 27 15:40:10 ok then let me give you them Aug 27 15:40:20 huh? Aug 27 15:40:42 wait.. they are on the phone... i think in /etc/alsa something .... you go alsactlr -f filename i think .... restore Aug 27 15:40:46 something like that Aug 27 15:41:02 I have no /etc/alsa Aug 27 15:41:11 asound.conf and asound.state Aug 27 15:41:13 oh on 2007 ? Aug 27 15:41:25 yes Aug 27 15:41:30 <|Marco|> uuuuh, Dave, it's not just cairo that's "not installed" I just installed a different lib, and it's not there... Aug 27 15:41:59 <|Marco|> apps, go fine.. but it almost looks like some lib ipk's might be empty or somthing :S Aug 27 15:42:01 |Marco|: can't launch mofi? Aug 27 15:42:06 huh? Aug 27 15:42:14 <|Marco|> Daenyth: and other thing yes Aug 27 15:42:15 marco, according to opkg? Aug 27 15:42:19 marcinsoo: me either Aug 27 15:42:20 er Aug 27 15:42:23 stupid tab Aug 27 15:42:26 <|Marco|> hehe Aug 27 15:42:32 anyway Aug 27 15:42:34 <|Marco|> Daenyth: not only mofi Aug 27 15:42:42 mofo? Aug 27 15:42:47 |Marco|: how can I check the contents of an ipkg? Aug 27 15:42:48 <|Marco|> other things requiring python-gtk stuf.. Aug 27 15:42:56 <|Marco|> Daenyth: donno Aug 27 15:43:00 hrm Aug 27 15:43:16 <|Marco|> i'm going to see if I can compile the packs manualy and see if that helps Aug 27 15:43:47 ok Aug 27 15:43:51 if you get it working let me know Aug 27 15:43:55 I really would like to have a gui for wifi Aug 27 15:44:27 <|Marco|> Daenyth: me to, but when it comes to mofi, it also needs a working wpa_supplicant Aug 27 15:44:33 root@om-gta02:/etc# opkg files python-pycairo Aug 27 15:44:33 Package python-pycairo (1.4.0-ml1) is installed on root and has the following files: Aug 27 15:44:36 root@om-gta02:/etc# Aug 27 15:44:38 aha!! Aug 27 15:44:47 <|Marco|> noop, that is'nt there Aug 27 15:44:56 |Marco|: it doesn't need a wpa_sup, that's lint Aug 27 15:45:02 <|Marco|> do a find /*|grep -i python-pycairo Aug 27 15:45:26 <|Marco|> hehehe Aug 27 15:45:32 <|Marco|> ah, sorry, I missunderstood Aug 27 15:45:42 <|Marco|> I'll trye to compile that to Aug 27 15:46:15 openmoko: 03tick * r4615 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libbb/unarchive.c: [opkg] trivial, remove unused variable res Aug 27 15:46:18 root@om-gta02:/etc# find / -iname *python-pycairo* Aug 27 15:46:18 /usr/lib/opkg/info/python-pycairo.control Aug 27 15:46:18 /usr/lib/opkg/info/python-pycairo.list Aug 27 15:46:22 that's all I found Aug 27 15:46:53 maintainer: Angstrom Developers <<-- for python-pycairo Aug 27 15:46:56 :/ Aug 27 15:47:02 that's very useless Aug 27 15:47:17 <|Marco|> mmmhm, have the same problem here Aug 27 15:47:29 |Marco|: well at least we know WHY Aug 27 15:47:36 next step is to file a bug Aug 27 15:47:43 !bugs Aug 27 15:47:49 hrmf Aug 27 15:47:51 useless bot Aug 27 15:47:55 ~bugs Aug 27 15:47:56 :D Aug 27 15:47:57 error: could not parse Aug 27 15:48:02 error error Aug 27 15:48:15 ~crash Aug 27 15:48:16 if you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms submissions text boxes. Aug 27 15:48:55 where do I report bugs Aug 27 15:48:58 oh aparently ~bugs is for a given package Aug 27 15:48:59 aha nvm Aug 27 15:49:16 <|Marco|> okay, I'm running bitbake on python-pycairo and poppler now, on 2 seperate machines Aug 27 15:49:26 <|Marco|> it'll take a little while Aug 27 15:50:31 hello all! Aug 27 15:50:51 |Marco|: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1830 Aug 27 15:50:54 it looks like this bug is known Aug 27 15:51:02 * paroneayea has just switched to finally using his neo 1973 as his primary phone :3 Aug 27 15:51:09 paroneayea: nice! Aug 27 15:51:11 though... I'm running the qtopia image for now Aug 27 15:51:14 paroneayea: how do you find the volume levels? Aug 27 15:51:16 but at least its all free software Aug 27 15:51:19 ah Aug 27 15:51:24 boo qtopia :< Aug 27 15:51:25 ugly Aug 27 15:51:57 |Marco|: opened 11 days ago, last mod 9 days ago Aug 27 15:52:07 |Marco|: maybe reply to the bug with a link to your fixed ipkg when you can Aug 27 15:52:12 mmm Aug 27 15:52:22 Daenyth: yeah, but for now, it works... Aug 27 15:52:25 I should go talk to iphthus about porting netcfg to om... Aug 27 15:52:28 I'm hoping to switch over soon Aug 27 15:52:36 right now I'm just happy to use free software on my phone Aug 27 15:52:41 paroneayea: yeah, qtopia was a bit more usuable I must admit Aug 27 15:52:45 <|Marco|> Daenyth: depends on if my compiled packs work or not :S Aug 27 15:52:45 I just really really don't like it Aug 27 15:52:54 |Marco|: yeah, hopefully.. Aug 27 15:53:04 Daenyth: I don't like it too much either. But I'm glad, for now, that it is here Aug 27 15:53:22 yeah Aug 27 15:53:30 maybe I'll set up a dual-boot thing Aug 27 15:53:45 I hate how it hides everything from you though Aug 27 15:58:56 * Dave hungers Aug 27 16:07:24 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r25cbcac81846 10/src/zhone: fix start page option Aug 27 16:07:25 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r3cceb0740ac1 10/src/zhone: start better pin entry dialog Aug 27 16:15:51 blist Aug 27 16:15:56 sorry, wrong window Aug 27 16:16:58 <|Marco|> Daenyth: python-pycairo is compiled now, let's see if it works Aug 27 16:20:23 anyone using the debian install on their openmoko? Aug 27 16:20:32 /clear/win 3 Aug 27 16:20:35 oops Aug 27 16:20:42 clearly, you win trice :D Aug 27 16:20:45 er, Aug 27 16:20:49 thrice Aug 27 16:20:55 heh Aug 27 16:21:20 fso ms3 looks like it will be pretty sweet Aug 27 16:22:19 Hm... resume from suspend for phone calls doesn't appear to work on the qtopia image, I think Aug 27 16:25:23 <|Marco|> I'm not allowed to install my pack, it's telling me it's got i different md5 sum and/or hold/prefered.... Aug 27 16:26:43 hello, so, I'm using qtopia, had left my freerunner plugged into my work computer when I went home last night. Battery probably died. Started computer and freerunner booted immediately. Did some stuff on the computer, then typed in sim pin on freerunner. Computer rebooted... Aug 27 16:26:53 heh Aug 27 16:26:57 Hey doc fail Aug 27 16:27:00 How goes it? :P Aug 27 16:27:02 hey Dave Aug 27 16:27:07 not too bad :) Aug 27 16:27:09 you? Aug 27 16:27:38 uhh Aug 27 16:27:53 Devouring freerunners. Aug 27 16:28:42 that sounds bad Aug 27 16:30:51 grrr, this qtopia isn't great :/ Aug 27 16:31:03 seems to have less battery life than the older one Aug 27 16:32:39 wish i could find a good simple simple example for making apps with edje guis in python or c/c++, i'd start writing some decent phone/pim apps Aug 27 16:33:09 awesome. check the enlightenment SVN Aug 27 16:33:25 also see zhone Aug 27 16:33:31 (in git.freesmartphone.org) Aug 27 16:33:32 <|Marco|> how do I ball-gag opkg so I can install a package I've compiled myself insted of the defective one in the repositorys ? Aug 27 16:33:53 i did, and btw the python-edje-example packege contains a python script that fails to initialize the gfx module Aug 27 16:33:57 which dist is recommended if you want a working openmoko with future updates? Aug 27 16:34:44 depends what you want to do Aug 27 16:34:49 only using = qtopia Aug 27 16:34:50 as far as zhone, when I say simple, I mean like one to two buttons and a single source file (i haven't coded in ages) Aug 27 16:35:19 right, then better check the E svn Aug 27 16:35:24 there's tons of examples and tests there Aug 27 16:36:06 ok, and any idea who i'd inform about the example for python-edje not working? Aug 27 16:36:17 depends on your distro Aug 27 16:36:21 fso Aug 27 16:36:24 oh Aug 27 16:36:29 show me the error Aug 27 16:36:33 (pastebin) Aug 27 16:36:36 hrm Aug 27 16:36:56 mickeyl: I would like to use it is a daily phone and at the same time be able to extend it and expect continues updates. Aug 27 16:37:02 paroneayea: sure Aug 27 16:37:09 running 2008.8 atm, gimme a few to flash fso Aug 27 16:37:18 pascal: this is a tough requirement Aug 27 16:37:20 mickeyl: problem with qtopia is a lot of gsm buzz and no wifi... Aug 27 16:37:28 gsm buzz is not software Aug 27 16:37:31 will occur on all images Aug 27 16:37:37 no idea 'bout wifi Aug 27 16:37:39 mickeyl: yeah, I know. Aug 27 16:37:59 i hardly ever hear any gsm buzz on the other end in my own testing Aug 27 16:38:06 i'm afraid the requirement daily phone leads to qtopia Aug 27 16:38:12 whereas being able to extend it leads to fso Aug 27 16:38:19 choices... Aug 27 16:38:20 <|Marco|> does anyone know how to override opkg ? Aug 27 16:38:21 mickeyl: but I heard that you could remove it by adjusting the sound Aug 27 16:38:30 unlikely Aug 27 16:38:38 but there's tons of controls Aug 27 16:38:40 worth a try Aug 27 16:38:43 mickeyl: hmm ok. Thanks Aug 27 16:39:10 i'm afraid Om needs make it more clear that this is a developer board in a phone case Aug 27 16:40:37 heh... well I sorta knew that... But I did expect to be able to make phone-calls from it. Right now people keep complaining about echo, gsm buzzing and not being able to hear me... Aug 27 16:40:52 hmm, that's unfortunate Aug 27 16:40:57 it works pretty ok as a phone here Aug 27 16:41:03 (yes, buzzing a bit, but still) Aug 27 16:41:10 <|Marco|> if I can figure out how to override opkg to install a pack I might have a solution to the cairo problem Aug 27 16:41:26 opkg install --force-whatever? Aug 27 16:41:34 <|Marco|> mickeyl: noop Aug 27 16:41:38 <|Marco|> tryed and failed Aug 27 16:41:47 <|Marco|> same message whatever I do Aug 27 16:41:58 mount isn't revealing the proper device name to use to make a backup image of the installed software to my media card, any ideas? Aug 27 16:42:49 <|Marco|> http://pastebin.com/m1d871dfe <-- this is the responce I get Aug 27 16:43:18 ah Aug 27 16:43:31 AntonTakk, cat /proc/mounts ? Aug 27 16:43:33 try rebuilding the index of the feed your're installing from Aug 27 16:43:38 and then opkg update Aug 27 16:43:44 found it - cat /etc/fstab :) Aug 27 16:43:48 <|Marco|> rebuild the index ? Aug 27 16:44:01 /dev/mtdblock4 in case anyone was wondering Aug 27 16:44:56 yes, the index on the feed Aug 27 16:45:00 <|Marco|> mickeyl: how do I spank opkg into doing that ? Aug 27 16:45:04 (assuming you have access to that machine) Aug 27 16:45:09 <|Marco|> err... Aug 27 16:45:12 <|Marco|> noop Aug 27 16:45:16 if not, try yanking the whole feeds Aug 27 16:45:24 <|Marco|> gah.. Aug 27 16:45:25 <|Marco|> oki Aug 27 16:45:38 and then mail to opkg-devel, since this is a problem :) Aug 27 16:45:47 they should add an override switch Aug 27 16:45:50 for md5sum Aug 27 16:45:58 There are many problems. Aug 27 16:46:05 <|Marco|> mickeyl: mmmmhm Aug 27 16:46:06 hate@opkg-devel Aug 27 16:48:21 <|Marco|> can't I just set up my own package server here ? Aug 27 16:48:32 sure Aug 27 16:48:33 <|Marco|> gah Aug 27 16:48:36 <|Marco|> won't work.. Aug 27 16:48:40 why not? Aug 27 16:48:41 <|Marco|> stil won't override Aug 27 16:48:52 <|Marco|> &%#¤&%¤ Aug 27 16:49:05 removed the files? Aug 27 16:49:10 opkg caches the info somewhere Aug 27 16:49:19 <|Marco|> didn't help, just gave me a new problem Aug 27 16:49:38 then better set up your own feed Aug 27 16:49:56 <|Marco|> packages were found but wrong architecture Aug 27 16:51:09 <|Marco|> this is angering... is there _NO_ way of overriding without setting up your own repository ? Aug 27 16:53:45 er, mtdblock6, aparently Aug 27 16:53:48 hah, sweet http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3767486 Aug 27 16:54:14 What the problem is? Aug 27 16:54:19 doc, you're no longer failing? :) Aug 27 16:55:04 mickeyl: i'll have the exact error after I flash an fso image, but iirc it was something about not being able to initialize the evas x engine Aug 27 16:55:22 scary Aug 27 16:55:36 Yet another reason I should be glad I'm not running fso :) Aug 27 16:55:47 hehe. Aug 27 16:56:00 |Marco|: did it work? Aug 27 16:56:20 Dave: I'm failing, but at work, so it's work's problem :) Aug 27 16:56:22 <|Marco|> Daenyth: I can't install the &%¤#&%¤#&% ipk pack Aug 27 16:56:25 heh Aug 27 16:56:28 Good call :) Aug 27 16:56:30 poo Aug 27 16:56:34 Daenyth? Aug 27 16:56:43 Marco, what the HELL are you doing? Aug 27 16:56:45 |Marco|: well it's python... so maybe copy the files from the 2008.8 ipk? Aug 27 16:56:53 Dave: trying to fix python-pycairo Aug 27 16:56:55 <|Marco|> okay, is there info on how to set up your own repo ? Aug 27 16:57:04 Dave: opkg files python-pycairo says that the package is empty Aug 27 16:57:13 what? Aug 27 16:57:19 Dave: the package has no files in it Aug 27 16:57:24 Who packaged it? Aug 27 16:57:29 the angstrom people? Aug 27 16:57:33 <|Marco|> jepp Aug 27 16:57:34 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1830 Aug 27 16:57:36 if there's a bad package, I'd blame xora Aug 27 16:57:44 he's the closest person, haha Aug 27 16:57:45 maintainer: Angstrom Developers Aug 27 16:57:50 Daenyth, oh, there's already a bug for it? Aug 27 16:57:52 ticket, rather Aug 27 16:57:53 yes Aug 27 16:58:04 <|Marco|> and I've compiled a probably working pack but can't for the life of me get it installed Aug 27 16:58:15 well obviously it's not a working ipk :P Aug 27 16:58:37 well then Aug 27 16:58:43 do you want a working one? Aug 27 16:58:47 heh Aug 27 16:58:56 I'm fine with just copying the files Aug 27 16:59:04 if it's python it should just work Aug 27 16:59:15 maybe try exploding the 2008.8 ipk? Aug 27 16:59:28 <|Marco|> can I "uncompress" the pack and move the file manualy ? Aug 27 16:59:35 is this 1.4.0? Aug 27 17:00:01 <|Marco|> mm Aug 27 17:00:04 also opkg is misleading Aug 27 17:00:09 it says you can use regex but it's not Aug 27 17:00:12 it's just globbing Aug 27 17:00:22 <|Marco|> Daenyth: compiled from latest bitbake code Aug 27 17:00:22 anyway Aug 27 17:00:27 uh? Aug 27 17:00:35 <|Marco|> gah Aug 27 17:00:37 |Marco|: try to scp the files to your FR Aug 27 17:00:42 Will you two please chill while I look into it? Aug 27 17:00:53 but....but...globbing = regex, right hehe j/k Aug 27 17:00:54 Dave: are you a dev? Aug 27 17:00:57 lol Aug 27 17:01:08 re Aug 27 17:01:18 <|Marco|> I've allready got the file on the fr and that's where it's screwing me over again and again.... Aug 27 17:01:37 |Marco|: not the ipk file, the module file Aug 27 17:01:53 <|Marco|> Dave: I've been &#&%'ing around with this most of the day.. so I'm getting a bit twitchy... Aug 27 17:02:19 opkg install http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml1_armv4t.ipk Aug 27 17:02:21 <|Marco|> Daenyth: er.. from bitbake ? it deletes the build dir when it's finished if I remember correctly Aug 27 17:02:25 there, now kindly shut the fuck up :) Aug 27 17:02:28 |Marco|: tell it not to? Aug 27 17:02:46 Dave: NOU Aug 27 17:03:38 * Package python-pycairo md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt Aug 27 17:03:42 Dave: fail Aug 27 17:04:06 <|Marco|> Daenyth: I can't Aug 27 17:04:19 what kind of shitty build system is that :/ Aug 27 17:04:33 right, so Aug 27 17:04:38 replace it Aug 27 17:04:40 easy Aug 27 17:04:43 how Aug 27 17:04:44 and ignore the md5 sum Aug 27 17:04:48 either one, or both Aug 27 17:04:51 huh? Aug 27 17:04:53 there are basic options for this! Aug 27 17:05:04 Which as far as I know actually work :) Aug 27 17:05:47 I don't see anything relating to md5sums in --help Aug 27 17:05:51 it's not there Aug 27 17:05:58 but yeah, opkg's force options really suck Aug 27 17:05:59 :D Aug 27 17:06:02 aha Aug 27 17:06:03 they're somewhat illogical Aug 27 17:06:04 there it is Aug 27 17:06:09 ... and they don't work either. Aug 27 17:06:13 haha, sometimes ;D Aug 27 17:06:15 haha one sec :) Aug 27 17:06:15 wait no Aug 27 17:06:25 I thought I found it, but no Aug 27 17:06:35 Dave: what basic option do I use? Aug 27 17:06:42 or is it undocumented :P Aug 27 17:07:11 a lot of it is questionably documented :P Aug 27 17:07:24 like this is here... but sssh, don't tell anyone, or they might come back and yell at us! Aug 27 17:07:27 pretty annoying :p Aug 27 17:07:53 opkg --help 2>&1 | grep md5 Aug 27 17:07:54 root@om-gta02:/etc# Aug 27 17:07:55 nothing Aug 27 17:08:20 Dave: so again, what's the option for it Aug 27 17:08:24 since you seem to know it's there Aug 27 17:08:25 HOLD ON Aug 27 17:08:34 Don't make me tranq you :P Aug 27 17:08:53 lol Aug 27 17:09:35 my suggestion with general opkg errors was always --force it till it Hurtz! Aug 27 17:09:40 take it, opkg! Aug 27 17:09:40 :/ Aug 27 17:09:43 make it your bitch Aug 27 17:09:53 --force isn't an option either >_> Aug 27 17:09:53 it's kind of disappointing there isn't an unconditional --force option Aug 27 17:10:07 <|Marco|> pycairo.pc <-- that's now the one I need' is it ? Aug 27 17:10:09 what I really enjoyed though is software which permits multiple specifications of the --force option Aug 27 17:10:13 |Marco|: yes Aug 27 17:10:13 BECAUSE IT LIKES TO TAKE IT HARDER! Aug 27 17:10:18 ;D Aug 27 17:10:33 om should just switch to pacman Aug 27 17:10:40 instead of making YAIPS Aug 27 17:10:46 yet another inferior packaging system :P Aug 27 17:10:56 pretty much Aug 27 17:11:02 hmm, that reminds me of YAPC Aug 27 17:11:06 * Dave bad memories... Aug 27 17:11:51 <|Marco|> Daenyth: bull&/%¤/&, still nogo Aug 27 17:11:57 whaaa Aug 27 17:13:11 man Aug 27 17:13:12 crappy Aug 27 17:13:13 mmk Aug 27 17:13:14 well Aug 27 17:13:18 fuck Aug 27 17:13:27 All your yelling made my Xglamo go defunct :( Aug 27 17:13:31 lemme whip up a quick script to connect to a wifi network Aug 27 17:13:32 <|Marco|> can someone give me a larg rock I can bash my head in with ? Aug 27 17:13:36 and then I will go out Aug 27 17:13:37 heh Aug 27 17:13:43 and hopefully this time I can get online Aug 27 17:13:46 Use the freerunner, it's pretty weighty! :F Aug 27 17:13:47 :D Aug 27 17:14:18 <|Marco|> Dave: noop, not enough.. maby one of my amps Aug 27 17:14:25 I always find it easier to just remove my eyeballs with a rusty spoon. At least with that you can have a snack too :) Aug 27 17:14:26 X_X Aug 27 17:14:40 use the spork! Aug 27 17:14:56 but they taste much better unpunctured :o Aug 27 17:15:35 anyway Aug 27 17:15:46 time for me to go shower, go out, get groceries Aug 27 17:15:51 later Aug 27 17:16:14 don't forget to get laid! ;) Aug 27 17:16:41 uggh, data transfer is ungodly slow Aug 27 17:16:46 :( Aug 27 17:16:58 zorkman, get outta my dbus! :p Aug 27 17:17:43 maybe when my gf gets home from work :p Aug 27 17:18:06 Daenyth: you can rename the daily armv4t-feed.config in /etc/opkg , opkg update and opkg install http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml1_armv4t.ipk and rename the feed again Aug 27 17:31:32 heh Aug 27 17:33:04 ECRAVEN Aug 27 17:33:21 hey dave Aug 27 17:33:34 has anything important happened over the last two weeks? Aug 27 17:33:56 My Xglamo exploded 19 more times. Hald and Openmoko-today exploded about six or seven more times. Aug 27 17:33:57 o. Aug 27 17:34:04 Beyond that, nothing new. Aug 27 17:34:08 oh yeah and neod a couple times :) Aug 27 17:34:15 ecraven, oh and I put doom and heretic on the phone :D Aug 27 17:34:16 haha Aug 27 17:34:28 has anyone had issues with tangogps crashing? i've used it every day for two weeks, and it crashes at least 5 times over 6-8 hours Aug 27 17:34:49 yeah Aug 27 17:34:53 if you have it on for a long time, yes Aug 27 17:34:59 it happens to leak like a motherfucker :D Aug 27 17:35:02 just don't tell anyone :P Aug 27 17:35:08 that is *very* inconvenient ;) Aug 27 17:35:09 we're kind of hoping you don't notice :) Aug 27 17:35:13 yeah yeah Aug 27 17:35:14 This issue is solved in GTA03 Aug 27 17:35:19 It's got 4GB of RAM. Aug 27 17:35:22 :) Aug 27 17:35:25 oh DOES it now? Aug 27 17:35:25 :) Aug 27 17:35:26 hehe Aug 27 17:35:34 sounds like microsoft promoting software Aug 27 17:35:38 we'll just add more memory! Aug 27 17:35:59 I like how openmoko-today is using 279M of memory Aug 27 17:36:11 and Xglamo is using 94% CPU Aug 27 17:36:22 This is what happens when everything goes wrong! Aug 27 17:36:34 It's really a party when glamo shows up! :) Aug 27 17:36:43 * SpeedEvil watches Daves FR catch fire. Aug 27 17:36:49 _now_ everything has gone wrong. Aug 27 17:36:55 EJECT! EJECT! Aug 27 17:37:19 *attached usb cd burner ejects* Aug 27 17:37:25 o_O Aug 27 17:37:28 mayday mayday Aug 27 17:37:34 we're going dooooooooooooooooown... Aug 27 17:37:37 (for reboot) :) Aug 27 17:52:04 ecraven: tangogps runs stable for days on the om2007.2 Aug 27 17:52:27 ecraven: back from holiday? Aug 27 17:52:43 gamin: i'll try to find out what the actual problem is, it's rather hard to debug things directly on the neo with the limited keyboard/console Aug 27 17:52:49 bumbl: aye ;) been great, ireland is beautiful Aug 27 17:53:30 :D Aug 27 17:53:43 ecraven: tangogps is rather talkative on the console. you may start it from the terminal and redirect the output into a file. Aug 27 17:54:24 gamin: i'll run it from gdb, with a computer attached Aug 27 17:55:06 ecraven: you might be interested in that we have an official debian port now Aug 27 17:55:26 bumbl: i heard, it just started a few days before i went away Aug 27 17:55:32 what url am i looking for? Aug 27 17:55:45 wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 27 17:56:48 but after the freerunner corrupted my parition table debian does not want to install again Aug 27 17:57:49 bumbl: that is a very major bug imho Aug 27 18:00:09 yes it is Aug 27 18:00:31 I am using fso unstable at the moment, which is quit cool and works more or less Aug 27 18:00:52 haha Aug 27 18:01:08 *quite Aug 27 18:01:21 at least it doesn't run out of memory Aug 27 18:01:28 * bumbl is looking at Dav Aug 27 18:01:29 e Aug 27 18:01:30 When you search google for your motherboard model number, you don't want the first page of results starting with Problems with or Crippled or Errors with... Aug 27 18:01:33 haha Aug 27 18:01:51 Hello bumble :) Aug 27 18:02:01 bumble, my opkg frequently runs out of memory when reindexing Aug 27 18:02:05 Clearly it whores. Aug 27 18:02:06 Hello... how is the development model for openmoko? Whom do I send patches to? (Or do I get commit rights right away?) Aug 27 18:02:31 bumbl: sounds like kernel bug indeed Aug 27 18:02:33 send patches to openmoko developers and hope they vote your way Aug 27 18:02:51 lindi :) Aug 27 18:03:37 Dave: you mean I should send patches to openmoko-devel@lists.openmoko.org ? Aug 27 18:03:54 probably Aug 27 18:03:55 bumbl: have you figured out a way to reproduce it reliably? Aug 27 18:03:58 propose them, anyhow :) Aug 27 18:04:19 If Andy / the developers like it, then it shall likely be taken into consideration. Aug 27 18:06:02 lindi-: yes Aug 27 18:06:17 I have tried it several times with different images Aug 27 18:06:18 ok. No clear answers: but is Om2008.8 nearing usability? I don't mind installing extra software, I just want a basis that works and some selection of software. GPS-software is a bit important, data communication likewise. Aug 27 18:06:24 -> reproducable Aug 27 18:06:43 the error I get while installing stands in the faq in the debian wiki Aug 27 18:07:39 Dave: if steve and jean like it, then it is taken into consideration Aug 27 18:07:45 I don't think data is actually working. Aug 27 18:07:48 *rant* Aug 27 18:08:08 (in a 'click here' sense) Aug 27 18:09:55 hi * Aug 27 18:09:58 hehe tomorrow is my last day at work Aug 27 18:10:16 I have a simple question: how to open my freerunner Aug 27 18:10:24 " Aug 27 18:10:24 Remove the rear cover of the Neo FreeRunner by first holding the Neo FreeRunner on the side and then use your fingernail to prise off the rear cover at the slot on top of the device." Aug 27 18:10:34 it doesn't seems so simple Aug 27 18:10:36 Right - do that. Aug 27 18:10:36 carefully Aug 27 18:10:46 You see the fingernail slot? Aug 27 18:10:51 yes Aug 27 18:10:56 WindowsUninstall: yeah, if you look closely there is a rectangular notch in the top of the freerunner Aug 27 18:11:06 yes, yes, I seek Aug 27 18:11:07 yes, yes, I see Aug 27 18:11:08 I do it by. Aug 27 18:11:18 place middle fingernail into slot. Aug 27 18:11:30 With hand held clawed. Aug 27 18:12:06 and then? Aug 27 18:12:19 Now, holding the wrist rigid, using the heel of the hand as a level, tilt the arm so that it pops it off Aug 27 18:13:10 o.O Aug 27 18:13:17 as a lever Aug 27 18:13:54 yeah that design was terrible Aug 27 18:14:03 opened Aug 27 18:14:05 ok Aug 27 18:14:07 thanks Aug 27 18:14:11 bumble, who is jean? Aug 27 18:14:27 Speedevil, do you think some version of windows could be installed on the freerunner? Aug 27 18:14:40 Dave: sure. Aug 27 18:14:52 Dave: pay someone to write the correct drivers and you're done. Aug 27 18:14:55 Dave: Jean Moss-Pultz Aug 27 18:14:58 i hold the fr in ly left hand, put right thumb nail in the slot and right fingers on the back just below the top of the screen and use the fingers to hold the back while prying against them with the thumb Aug 27 18:15:12 the one who stole your url one year before you thought about it Aug 27 18:17:27 hrm Aug 27 18:18:51 ecraven: und bist du auch schon wieder up to date was unser politisches kasperltheater angeht? Aug 27 18:18:57 Speed-evil -_- Aug 27 18:19:02 bumble, Sean? Aug 27 18:19:16 SOUNDS FRENCH Aug 27 18:19:18 JEAN? Aug 27 18:19:21 ~_~ Aug 27 18:19:22 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 18:19:54 Speedevil, I was just wondering from a proof-of-concept or ridiculous/hilarious web image post perspective :) Aug 27 18:20:52 hmmm Aug 27 18:20:55 Entirely off-topic. Aug 27 18:20:57 http://www.nivnac.co.uk/files/HAPS/HAPS1_withvideo_polar_quarter.jpg Aug 27 18:21:00 Dave: sorry jean - sean all the same Aug 27 18:21:10 there doesnt seem to be a *locate package in the opkg repos? Aug 27 18:21:19 A 360 degree panorama from a amateur balloon at around 30Km Aug 27 18:22:54 Veggen, that'd be a definite NO Aug 27 18:22:57 mickeyl: nevermind, it works now, must have been the image i was using Aug 27 18:23:19 :) Aug 27 18:23:22 glad to hear Aug 27 18:23:44 Hey :-) Aug 27 18:23:54 hi jucs Aug 27 18:24:43 XD Aug 27 18:24:49 by the way, i had about 5-8 hours of battery life with *only* gps active (no gsm, no wlan, no bluetooth).. that is rather problematic Aug 27 18:25:00 Not really. Aug 27 18:25:18 90% of the battery life stuff hasn't been implemented. Aug 27 18:27:34 Yeah, isn't it awesome? Aug 27 18:27:36 Hey jucs! Aug 27 18:27:51 Hi Dave :-P Aug 27 18:27:56 <- dinner XD Aug 27 18:29:24 ShellEvil, how come its not implemented? Short on manpower? Aug 27 18:29:33 :D Aug 27 18:29:38 hungry hungry jucs Aug 27 18:29:46 i'm not talking about suspend/resume here, i want to use it as a navigation system, i need the screen on all the time Aug 27 18:29:54 zogg_: basically Aug 27 18:30:18 zogg, one person is working on it, and he has "real life issues"... A.K.A. a woman is bitching him around :P Aug 27 18:30:48 ;)) thats how it is Aug 27 18:31:04 We need a sponsorship program, where good coders are given replacement OM friendly women :) Aug 27 18:31:41 Well, i could give him a hand once the device arrives. Aug 27 18:34:13 hmm Aug 27 18:34:35 where's the kernel dir in 2007.2? /usr/src/ is empty Aug 27 18:34:42 or do i need to install the source first? Aug 27 18:35:02 gl Aug 27 18:35:08 Speedevil :D Aug 27 18:35:13 stfu swc|666 :P Aug 27 18:35:21 lol Aug 27 18:35:28 hahah Aug 27 18:35:30 fight fight fight Aug 27 18:35:32 quite agressive Aug 27 18:35:38 i had to build the kernel to get the source Aug 27 18:35:44 WAT= Aug 27 18:35:52 Bumble, they almost sound american :) Aug 27 18:36:03 Then again, germans can be quite aggressive :p Aug 27 18:36:05 ow Aug 27 18:36:13 then i built my modules / etc using the location of sources as target Aug 27 18:36:34 Dave: anyone can be aggressive Aug 27 18:36:45 that's what the germans say... Aug 27 18:37:05 * phrozen77_ bitchslaps Dave Aug 27 18:37:18 Bumble, heh Aug 27 18:37:30 phrozen77_: don't act german Aug 27 18:38:22 hmm Panathinaikos: I might be in brussels next week so :p Aug 27 18:39:11 wow nice Aug 27 18:39:11 oh snaps :p Aug 27 18:39:15 what day? Aug 27 18:40:08 not sure yet Aug 27 18:40:14 let me know :) Aug 27 18:40:27 25km to Denderleeuw Aug 27 18:40:45 yeah it's not far away (like everything in Belgium :)) Aug 27 18:41:57 is it for bussiness or pleasure you're comming to brussels? Aug 27 18:42:15 I don't know it yet Aug 27 18:42:27 aha, I see, you're a secret agent Aug 27 18:42:32 :D Aug 27 18:42:50 You don't happen to know anyone witha codename of "LAzy Lulu"? or could you run it through the computer at your office? Aug 27 18:42:52 sekret agentz Aug 27 18:42:57 hahaha Aug 27 18:43:00 * Dave hides Aug 27 18:43:10 Don't laugh Dave, I'm trying to save your life Aug 27 18:43:17 it's a kind of last minute pleasure trip which isn't fixed yet although I just have to do a single click/phone call to fix it Aug 27 18:43:30 the other option is going to berlin Aug 27 18:44:11 party with jucs! Aug 27 18:44:20 you're going to miss all the fun dave :) Aug 27 18:44:25 np: Leonard Cohen - Then we take berlin. Aug 27 18:44:27 pfft Aug 27 18:44:28 our beer is better bumbl :) Aug 27 18:44:49 root@phrozen77-laptop:~/openmoko/qtopia# tar czf qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.tar.gz -C /mnt/loop Aug 27 18:44:49 tar: Anlegen eines leeren Archivs wird feige verweigert. Aug 27 18:44:51 _lol_ Aug 27 18:45:03 how about using english? ;) Aug 27 18:45:13 o.O Aug 27 18:45:14 tell that my system Aug 27 18:45:22 dwaas Aug 27 18:45:24 phrozen77_, it does not want to create an empty archive Aug 27 18:45:34 yeah you're a afool Aug 27 18:45:44 and never told it what to add to the archive Aug 27 18:45:53 :D Aug 27 18:45:59 phrozen77_, but it admits that its behavior is coward Aug 27 18:46:02 tar [options] Aug 27 18:46:10 hahaaha, yes Aug 27 18:46:11 :P Aug 27 18:46:16 MrTurtle :) Aug 27 18:46:37 yeah, thats why i lol_d Aug 27 18:46:39 lol'd Aug 27 18:47:00 * MrTuttle hums the central services song: we do the work, you do the pleasure Aug 27 18:47:08 was missing a . tho Aug 27 18:47:12 * Zorkman googles the song Aug 27 18:47:20 oh hai Zorkman Aug 27 18:47:26 Zorkman: not only the beer, the chocolate too Aug 27 18:47:42 Zorkman, Brazil, Terry Gilliam Aug 27 18:47:48 the choclate is for you girlfriend/wife :) Aug 27 18:48:15 MrTuttle: damn, I still have to see that movie Aug 27 18:48:32 Zorkman: currently single Aug 27 18:48:44 Zorkman, some say it is very dark but I think it is really worth watching Aug 27 18:48:44 with good choclate you won't be for long ;-) Aug 27 18:48:56 Zorkman :D Aug 27 18:49:10 MrTuttle: I like Terry Gilliam so I want to watch it :) Aug 27 18:49:14 Zorkman, that must be why I have so many "female friends" Aug 27 18:49:25 I love females Aug 27 18:49:28 Zorkman, I live next to a fancy chocolate factory :p Aug 27 18:49:29 Zorkman, what frightens me is how "up-to-date" the movie is... Aug 27 18:49:37 :) Aug 27 18:49:54 nowadays with witches^H^H^H^t3rr0r15ts everywhere... Aug 27 18:50:05 TERRORISTS!? Aug 27 18:50:09 Where? :O Aug 27 18:50:19 hmm Aug 27 18:50:25 620kb/s scp over usb Aug 27 18:50:27 not bad Aug 27 18:50:39 Dave: you're looking for terrorists? Is that because you want to join them? you terrorist! Aug 27 18:50:42 phrozen77_: wtf??? on the FR?? no way Aug 27 18:50:48 ic Aug 27 18:50:50 Lol, we had terrorist yesterday. At least thats what they think/ Aug 27 18:50:51 dropped to 330 Aug 27 18:51:01 *terrorists Aug 27 18:51:08 400 Aug 27 18:51:10 hmm Aug 27 18:51:21 they're the ones stealing your bandwidth! Aug 27 18:52:08 Yeah Osama did that to me once... Aug 27 18:52:11 phrozen77_: kilobyte or kilobits? Aug 27 18:52:43 Now he's just a lousy actor Aug 27 18:52:50 Dave: could you explain me why obama elects a man as his vice who looks like he is obama's dad and the one who wears the pants Aug 27 18:53:20 Because he's gay? Aug 27 18:53:25 Just kidding Aug 27 18:53:28 bumbl: he could, but it would be offtopic, so let's not. Aug 27 18:53:55 hahahaha Aug 27 18:54:09 phrozen77: ok. In lack of stability/usability....where is all the *fun* nowadays? ;-) Aug 27 18:54:10 Hey does anyone know when there will be a stable release for the Neo? Aug 27 18:54:11 better suited for #openmoko-offtopc, probably :) Aug 27 18:54:11 yeah, back to the choclate and females topic.. euhm .. Aug 27 18:54:16 zorkman :D Aug 27 18:54:21 cjb, speaking of you! Aug 27 18:54:33 (which distro) Aug 27 18:54:43 * Dave tosses bugreports at cjb Aug 27 18:54:47 2008.8 Aug 27 18:54:48 there is a chan like openmoko offtopic? Aug 27 18:54:54 back ;-) Aug 27 18:55:04 yes Aug 27 18:55:09 cjb: nearly everything here is offtopic Aug 27 18:55:13 off course there is bumbl, that's were we make fun of everyone in here :) Aug 27 18:55:15 lol Aug 27 18:55:20 Sssh Aug 27 18:55:25 You weren't supposed to tell them that, Zorkman! Aug 27 18:55:38 Do me Zorkman! Aug 27 18:56:09 blalien, that sounds a bit gay... :) Aug 27 18:56:36 Yeah I know... I don think my girlfriend would like that Aug 27 18:56:39 ~_~ Aug 27 18:56:39 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 18:57:14 ja hij blijkt wat nichterig te zijn... Aug 27 18:57:38 Wie :P? Aug 27 18:57:53 * Dave :x Aug 27 18:58:04 :D Aug 27 18:58:08 wow, didn't see that Blalien was an Orange dude Aug 27 18:58:15 jajaja :D Aug 27 18:58:34 ;) heb eht weleens vaker gehoord hoor. Maaaaaar! Ik ben het niet ^^ Aug 27 18:58:42 hehehe Aug 27 18:58:47 goed ;] Aug 27 18:59:01 waar woon je, vriend? :] Aug 27 18:59:13 In Ewijk. Je weet wel van de files. Aug 27 18:59:39 En waar ben jij gevestigt? Aug 27 19:00:28 aaaaaaaah Aug 27 19:00:34 US :P Aug 27 19:00:46 OK :P heheh Aug 27 19:00:51 * Dave ben een overloper :P Aug 27 19:01:00 Ow dat geeft niks ;) Aug 27 19:01:05 :P Aug 27 19:01:17 Grgrrm Aug 27 19:01:22 * Dave hides Aug 27 19:01:32 Zolang je het maar naar je zin hebt he (Y) Aug 27 19:01:43 That's all that matters Aug 27 19:02:04 ok, adding buttons to the ui in edje is simple, making them usefull may not be :) Aug 27 19:02:08 Dutch sounds familiar but I understand hardly anything Aug 27 19:02:16 sure sure :) Aug 27 19:02:19 Blalien :) Aug 27 19:02:31 Antontakk, good luck! :P Aug 27 19:02:34 bumble :) Aug 27 19:02:45 yeah, they take your words, then fuck up the order :) Aug 27 19:03:01 and stretch them Aug 27 19:03:04 lol Aug 27 19:03:08 and add more vowels Aug 27 19:03:16 and j's Aug 27 19:03:36 Dave: thanks, now I just need to learn how to use edje text stuffs and sqlite in python Aug 27 19:03:39 yeah dutch is very similar to german Aug 27 19:03:54 Indeed Aug 27 19:04:01 it's a germanic language Aug 27 19:04:03 yeah :p Aug 27 19:04:29 Danish makes no sense Aug 27 19:04:35 and finnish is just crazy Aug 27 19:04:40 And Swedish Aug 27 19:04:40 fucking crazy drunkards Aug 27 19:04:45 knackebröd Aug 27 19:04:47 swedish is just a ripoff of norsk Aug 27 19:04:48 we understand german and withouth learning it we can speak something that resembles badly raped german :) Aug 27 19:05:17 Zorkman, like nordmenn speaking "swedish" :P Aug 27 19:05:24 yes indeed Aug 27 19:05:27 it's passable, and you can communicate, but they secretly hate you :) Aug 27 19:05:36 they understand but want to punch you in the face Aug 27 19:05:36 I know no nordmenn, only swedes though Aug 27 19:05:41 Zorkman: believe me, you won't understand that what some of the austrians call german Aug 27 19:05:42 ah okay Aug 27 19:05:58 bumble, that good, huh? :D Aug 27 19:06:02 hehehe :] Aug 27 19:06:04 grss got :) Aug 27 19:06:04 Yeah and like people from Belgium with there ¨Vlaams¨. It´s just to funny. Aug 27 19:06:11 servas Aug 27 19:06:15 hahahaha Aug 27 19:06:21 hey, what to remove if "Package distro-feed-configs wants to install file /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf But that file is already provided by package openmoko-feed-configs" distro-feed-configs or openmoko-feed-configs ? :S Aug 27 19:06:22 watch out, you might offend Zorkman :P Aug 27 19:06:30 (A) Aug 27 19:06:31 geej Aug 27 19:06:36 O:-) Aug 27 19:06:42 :) Aug 27 19:06:43 hehe, we equally lauch with "ollands" :) Aug 27 19:06:51 *laugh Aug 27 19:06:51 ouderwetens! Aug 27 19:06:54 Yeah I know :P Aug 27 19:07:02 hehe Aug 27 19:07:04 Zorkman, kbyte Aug 27 19:07:05 cute Aug 27 19:07:07 And the last names of the dutch men are all fucked up Aug 27 19:07:09 "Naaktgeboren" Aug 27 19:07:22 I like my friends names Aug 27 19:07:24 very simple Aug 27 19:07:27 doesn't make your head explode Aug 27 19:07:46 It´s a good thing I like Urbain Servranckx Aug 27 19:08:03 * phrozen77_ smells on himself....waaaaaay better Aug 27 19:08:05 too many peple in Holalnd thought NApoleon was joking when he forced them to chose a last name :) Aug 27 19:08:31 haha :D Aug 27 19:08:35 hehe, Urbanus is great :) Aug 27 19:08:36 dwaze :x Aug 27 19:08:47 He sure is ^ Aug 27 19:08:51 *^^ Aug 27 19:08:59 ;) Aug 27 19:10:55 catch you guys later Aug 27 19:11:08 Oke, later Zorkman Aug 27 19:11:28 okee, afscheid mijn vriend :] Aug 27 19:12:22 Okay, time to powerup my quadcores Aug 27 19:12:30 lol Aug 27 19:13:48 hm Aug 27 19:14:02 when booting qtopia, i get a lot of "splash-write failed" messages... normal? Aug 27 19:14:09 yes Aug 27 19:14:12 ok Aug 27 19:14:45 hehe Aug 27 19:14:52 what does that mean? Aug 27 19:14:56 spdr_, still here? Aug 27 19:15:37 bye blalien :| Aug 27 19:22:37 does suspend work in qtopia? Aug 27 19:22:51 does I need to update also the bootloader when I update to the new os? Aug 27 19:23:01 no Aug 27 19:24:04 no Aug 27 19:24:53 no to ...? Aug 27 19:25:44 suspens works in qtopia.. depending on if the system can suspend Aug 27 19:26:20 phrozen77_: you get thsoe cause I removed excuse or whatever is the bootsplash Aug 27 19:27:56 i haven't seen an image yet where suspend works reliably and as expected Aug 27 19:28:14 thanks for clarification Aug 27 19:28:16 how much of that is userspace? Aug 27 19:28:31 UndrWater: FSO is getting there but I know what you mean Aug 27 19:28:44 UndrWater: most Aug 27 19:28:44 Tig! Aug 27 19:28:49 Lpotter Aug 27 19:29:00 When should we expect the next qtopia release? Aug 27 19:29:08 will it bring anything decent to the table? Aug 27 19:29:13 4.3.2 very soon. Aug 27 19:29:18 within days Aug 27 19:29:33 4.4...anytime now ;) Aug 27 19:29:44 (R) Aug 27 19:29:55 uhm Aug 27 19:30:02 Lpotter, aren't we already at 4.3.2? Aug 27 19:30:08 I'm flashing the rootfs using the daily tar.gz image Aug 27 19:30:10 Lpotter what will it bring with it? :) Aug 27 19:30:15 hmm well looks like the source is available so I will make a new release today Aug 27 19:30:19 does dfu-util reconize the format? Aug 27 19:30:26 Dave: those were snapshots Aug 27 19:30:35 because probably I'm doing something wrong Aug 27 19:31:26 lpotter, ah, yes Aug 27 19:31:34 lpotter, so this one will be stable? :) Aug 27 19:31:45 lpotter, and the wifi won't blow up the os? Aug 27 19:31:45 lpotter: yes!! Aug 27 19:31:48 heh. no this one will be 4.3.2 release :) Aug 27 19:31:56 I'll submit a bugreport for that Aug 27 19:32:02 It's purely retarded Aug 27 19:32:06 looks like someone just missed it though Aug 27 19:32:11 man the gta02 looks so tempting Aug 27 19:32:12 Dave: anyone can work on wifi in qtopia. as it just calls a script Aug 27 19:32:12 should be a simple fix :) Aug 27 19:32:15 all I have is a gta01 Aug 27 19:32:28 Lpotter, I found a bug or two Aug 27 19:32:29 maybe I should wait for the gta03 tho Aug 27 19:32:38 I'm using 4.3.2-20080808 Aug 27 19:32:46 I'm totally gonna do the GPS bike thing Aug 27 19:32:46 so am i now Aug 27 19:32:51 quite like it :) Aug 27 19:32:56 paroneya be careful Aug 27 19:32:58 so kudos to the devs Aug 27 19:32:58 don't break it Aug 27 19:33:03 you need a GOOD mount Aug 27 19:33:19 so that'd be an epic mount then`? Aug 27 19:33:20 :P Aug 27 19:33:57 oh gawd Aug 27 19:34:03 Where DO you come from, Phrozen? Aug 27 19:34:16 .de :) Aug 27 19:34:17 :P Aug 27 19:34:45 does the rootfs for the 4.3.2 snapshot come as a tarball? Aug 27 19:34:57 no its jffs2 Aug 27 19:35:02 you need to create the tgz Aug 27 19:35:21 my problem seems to be extracting from the jffs2 Aug 27 19:35:29 but i wanted to test it Aug 27 19:35:46 bitches, Dave Aug 27 19:35:49 bbqs Aug 27 19:36:01 :) Aug 27 19:36:06 You're welcome. Aug 27 19:36:08 Delicious. Aug 27 19:36:22 mmm, pork Aug 27 19:36:46 whats the triangle in the top bar in qtopia? Aug 27 19:36:54 Bermuda Aug 27 19:37:02 thought so Aug 27 19:38:29 phrozen77__: drop down menu Aug 27 19:38:45 and task manager Aug 27 19:38:57 bbq monitor Aug 27 19:39:00 doesnt do anything when clicked though Aug 27 19:39:06 wndr why Aug 27 19:39:09 do you have anything running? Aug 27 19:39:16 duh Aug 27 19:39:18 :) Aug 27 19:39:23 * phrozen77__ goes back to his corner Aug 27 19:39:25 it should pop down with home even if nothing is running Aug 27 19:39:48 hm, doesnt seem like it does Aug 27 19:39:50 good Aug 27 19:39:54 It doesn't like you. Aug 27 19:39:59 We don't either. Aug 27 19:40:01 :[ Aug 27 19:40:05 * phrozen77__ now has a sad Aug 27 19:40:07 wait Aug 27 19:40:13 qtopia, or asu? Aug 27 19:40:18 haha Aug 27 19:40:18 qtopia Aug 27 19:40:26 oh, nfc then Aug 27 19:40:45 Intel is trying to get into the mobil phone's market... Aug 27 19:40:45 thought you were talking about illume in asu Aug 27 19:40:50 +e* Aug 27 19:41:09 good for them Aug 27 19:41:21 jucs, and what are you trying to do? :) Aug 27 19:41:27 So maybe we'll sometime have an Atom inside the GTAXX :-P Aug 27 19:41:31 yeah, let me know when they can actually compete with arm on power consumption Aug 27 19:41:57 with comparable feature set Aug 27 19:42:01 does anyone like the qtopia calendar? Aug 27 19:42:13 I think that's what they are trying to do by facturing in 32nm in 2009... Aug 27 19:42:22 looks pretty...but i'd like a weed view..or even better...a work week view! Aug 27 19:42:24 pfft Aug 27 19:42:37 hmmm...weed view Aug 27 19:42:41 UndrWater: mmmmmm, weed view :) Aug 27 19:42:56 interesting slip Aug 27 19:43:09 connects directly to your web cam so you can monitor conditions? Aug 27 19:44:15 how can I install pidgin on om2008> Aug 27 19:44:18 ? Aug 27 19:44:46 Anyway, x86 would be nice :-P Aug 27 19:44:46 mhhm Aug 27 19:45:04 i second UndrWaters notion Aug 27 19:45:12 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=pidgin&arch=&action=search Aug 27 19:45:16 @zogs Aug 27 19:45:23 what jucs said Aug 27 19:45:45 get that all installed and nice...then flash a new image tomorrow :P Aug 27 19:45:51 I have try with angstrom repo but give me error Aug 27 19:46:02 But the version in there is quite old - ICQ won't work at all and XMPP (Jabber) will crash pidgin with some providers... Aug 27 19:46:04 what eror? Aug 27 19:46:06 personally, i think a gtaxx device with a few buttons and a slide out kb would be sweet Aug 27 19:46:11 jucs said stuff? Aug 27 19:46:15 :D Aug 27 19:46:18 hm? Aug 27 19:46:23 could actually to development on the phone with no desktop :) Aug 27 19:46:26 Configuring libstartup-notification-1-0 Aug 27 19:46:26 Collected errors: Aug 27 19:46:26 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache Aug 27 19:46:26 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling Aug 27 19:46:26 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 Aug 27 19:46:26 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling Aug 27 19:46:28 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders Aug 27 19:46:30 and other Aug 27 19:46:48 uggh Aug 27 19:47:03 thanks for that, zogs Aug 27 19:47:12 AntonTakk: My most desired feature is the ability to make calls... which is still impossible... Aug 27 19:47:23 zogs: please use pastebin for multi-line postings Aug 27 19:47:29 ooops sorry Aug 27 19:47:33 No - don't say that's not true; it is... Aug 27 19:47:34 jucs: i have made and received many calls with my fr Aug 27 19:47:43 :P Aug 27 19:47:48 hai Aug 27 19:47:54 zogs: opkg install pidgin -nodeps Aug 27 19:48:04 jucs: on three diferent stacks Aug 27 19:48:11 UndrWater: I try like this Aug 27 19:48:16 AntonTakk: All my problems are in the wiki... there's a buzzing noise and an echo - not usable at all... Aug 27 19:48:40 mine sounds great...i'm sorry to hear that Aug 27 19:48:43 see, at worst the buzzing has been minimal here, and never an echo Aug 27 19:48:48 Mine is fine Aug 27 19:48:50 jucs echo isn't a problem really.. you just have to work out your alsa state... Aug 27 19:48:53 And as far as the bug reports say it's a hardware issue that migh probably not software-solveable... Aug 27 19:48:57 it just blows up nearby electronic devices, occasionaly Aug 27 19:48:57 No. Aug 27 19:48:58 better sound quality than my treo...and others think so too Aug 27 19:49:03 Let me get the link... Aug 27 19:49:16 but buzzing is hardware issue Aug 27 19:49:22 I've tried every state and it's not true... Aug 27 19:49:27 hm Aug 27 19:49:29 no echoes Aug 27 19:49:30 os 2008.8 bootscreen is the worst of ever Aug 27 19:49:34 but i noticed buzzing calling Aug 27 19:49:39 WindowsUninstall, indeed Aug 27 19:49:44 WindowsUninstall: the boots? Aug 27 19:49:47 jucs: get your RMA for a warranty return Aug 27 19:49:51 I see a green progressbar over 2 pair of black boots Aug 27 19:50:08 I mean 2 pair of black leather boots Aug 27 19:50:08 WindowsUninstall: it's cute and funny Aug 27 19:50:11 UndrWater: The wiki says it just the same on all phones... Aug 27 19:50:11 s/2/1/ Aug 27 19:50:12 WindowsUninstall meant: I mean 1 pair of black leather boots Aug 27 19:50:12 WindowsUninstall: what's wrong with boots? i thought it was rather amusing Aug 27 19:50:17 WindowsUninstall: your grandmother will love it Aug 27 19:50:33 is the main developer involved somehow into BDSM? Aug 27 19:50:33 And I've got 2 here, a friend also ordered... Aug 27 19:50:37 or something similiar? Aug 27 19:50:59 WindowsUninstall: what does it matter? they are just a pair of boots Aug 27 19:51:00 WindowsUninstall: no whips that i can see Aug 27 19:51:08 or chains Aug 27 19:51:08 and for minimo ? how make it? Aug 27 19:51:17 AntonTakk, it's just ugly :P Aug 27 19:51:22 pfft Aug 27 19:51:35 UndrWater: with -nodeps work, thanks Aug 27 19:51:38 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 <- here Aug 27 19:51:38 pfft indeed,, boots rock :P Aug 27 19:51:40 zogs: np Aug 27 19:51:44 like turning on your phone to see the windows mobile logo is a pleasant experience Aug 27 19:51:50 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 <- here Aug 27 19:51:50 lol Aug 27 19:52:05 my PIN is a number Aug 27 19:52:10 how can I type it? Aug 27 19:52:11 o.O Aug 27 19:52:12 WindowsUninstall: you can pimp your boot screen Aug 27 19:52:14 And so on.... noone says it's possible to eliminate that... Aug 27 19:52:24 i mean, if it was me, i'd move the progress bar under the boots, and not make it green, but that's just me Aug 27 19:52:41 * UndrWater doesn't like the green either Aug 27 19:52:50 jucs, see joerg's recent post on the hw ml Aug 27 19:52:54 np: Kermit - It's not easy being green. Aug 27 19:52:54 I believe Aug 27 19:53:00 + Aug 27 19:53:01 Evil :) Aug 27 19:53:05 hehe Aug 27 19:53:11 how can I type my PIN number? o.O Aug 27 19:53:18 Have you got a link? Aug 27 19:53:24 @Dave Aug 27 19:53:32 If that is 'recent' as in a couple of days - there is a fix - but it's absolutely not a working mod yet. Aug 27 19:53:35 UndrWater: i think a nice Sun Microsystems purple would fit well :) Aug 27 19:53:36 WindowsUninstall: TOPIC Aug 27 19:53:47 zogs, ooops Aug 27 19:53:48 sorry Aug 27 19:54:02 Configuring libstartup-notification-1-0 Aug 27 19:54:03 Collected errors: Aug 27 19:54:03 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache Aug 27 19:54:03 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling Aug 27 19:54:03 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 Aug 27 19:54:03 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling Aug 27 19:54:07 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders Aug 27 19:54:08 WindowsUninstall: Try sliding with your finger... Aug 27 19:54:10 fuck Aug 27 19:54:13 Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard Aug 27 19:54:18 :) Aug 27 19:54:23 hehe Aug 27 19:54:26 silliness Aug 27 19:54:43 i like that Aug 27 19:55:12 "type your PIN:" *up pops a text only keyboard* Aug 27 19:55:16 :-\ Aug 27 19:56:12 yeah Aug 27 19:56:19 i also was like wtf when i saw that first Aug 27 19:56:20 use the down to up gesture Aug 27 19:56:35 i think it is useful Aug 27 19:56:41 it keeps the idiots out Aug 27 19:57:42 bumbl: require a 45x repeat of the forward-back gesture ;) Aug 27 19:57:48 guesstures? Aug 27 19:59:04 holy exploding emulators batman! Aug 27 19:59:16 worked for me the first time Aug 27 19:59:32 looks good on the train? Aug 27 19:59:54 but i don't like asu as it is shipped now Aug 27 19:59:57 AntonTakk: that's all it takes? :P Aug 27 20:00:02 bumbl, who does? Aug 27 20:00:12 steve Aug 27 20:00:15 sean Aug 27 20:00:30 the om design department Aug 27 20:03:09 AntonTakk: hehe, yeah my g/f and I watched that video and dubbed that the "Fap" gesture Aug 27 20:04:24 design dept == FAIL Aug 27 20:04:32 they appear to be quite failicious Aug 27 20:04:59 Dave: anything like bootylicious? Aug 27 20:05:37 No, unfortunately, not. Aug 27 20:07:02 hmm the fap gesture could be useful, everyone knows someone who is a pain in the arse to talk to but you hae to keep their number in your phone for caller id reasons... well if you need to talk to them press dial then make an exagerated wanker gesture with your phone and get connected :) Aug 27 20:10:08 welcome back Aug 27 20:10:12 ~_~ Aug 27 20:10:13 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:10:32 ? Aug 27 20:11:41 apt ? Aug 27 20:11:53 ~_~ Aug 27 20:11:54 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:12:10 ~_~ Aug 27 20:12:11 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:12:15 aha! Aug 27 20:12:56 If I was cruel I would suggest all doing it together so he floods off the channel :) Aug 27 20:13:08 "please do not press this button again" Aug 27 20:13:22 almien: exactly :) Aug 27 20:13:25 ~_~ Aug 27 20:13:26 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:13:44 O_O Aug 27 20:14:06 hmm does it just check the beginning of the line ~_~ or is it scanning everything? Aug 27 20:14:09 one, two, three! Aug 27 20:14:13 ~ Aug 27 20:14:19 ~_ Aug 27 20:14:19 ~_~ Aug 27 20:14:19 from memory, _ is ALT-255 Aug 27 20:14:20 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:14:32 ahh Aug 27 20:14:35 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 27 20:14:36 ~_ Aug 27 20:14:36 _ is, like, ALT-255 Aug 27 20:14:37 ~fish UndrWater Aug 27 20:14:38 * apt slaps UndrWater around with a large trout Aug 27 20:14:47 ~trout underwater Aug 27 20:14:48 * apt slaps underwater around a bit with a large trout! Aug 27 20:14:51 whee... Aug 27 20:15:02 ~moko Dave Aug 27 20:15:02 ooo what else Aug 27 20:15:06 apt tell undrwater about bqs Aug 27 20:15:17 ~rape Tig| Aug 27 20:15:18 * apt takes Tig| behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Aug 27 20:15:25 Oi! Aug 27 20:15:36 ~( Aug 27 20:15:37 well, ( is feeling blue Aug 27 20:15:38 now quit abusing the bots :) Aug 27 20:15:47 apt~get install sillyness :P Aug 27 20:15:54 now. stop. Aug 27 20:16:07 apt: BQS Aug 27 20:16:08 it has been said that bqs is Bot Query Syndrome -- If you're primarily talking to bots, you have it! Aug 27 20:16:17 apt: botsnack Aug 27 20:16:18 Dave: aw, gee Aug 27 20:16:20 :) Aug 27 20:16:32 did someone ask the parents to come in? Aug 27 20:16:45 Who are you referring to? Aug 27 20:16:55 Ganneff: Aug 27 20:17:46 in om2008.8 - i can't dial - it complains of no network. How can I check if it finds the sim card/gets a connection? Aug 27 20:19:49 I've installed a bunch of openmoko-panel-X packages, and now I have lots of icons at the top - but they don't seem to do much Aug 27 20:21:06 Gromgull: i think your network should be labelled on the dialer page Aug 27 20:21:44 I can't understand how to resume my phone from suspend Aug 27 20:22:03 Needs more megahurtz. Aug 27 20:22:20 Gromgull: I don't know about 2008.8. In 2007.2 or FSO you can use libgsmd-tool or mickeyterm to send AT commands directly to the modem (AT+CFUN=1, AT+COPS, etc) Aug 27 20:23:06 350 Upgraded packages since yesterday! Gosh! Aug 27 20:23:28 Does the FreeRunner pidgin have support for SILC protocol? Aug 27 20:23:40 pidgin? Aug 27 20:23:42 :O Aug 27 20:23:47 yes Aug 27 20:23:51 it works fine too Aug 27 20:23:52 If only it had proper support for ICQ and XMPP/Jabber... Aug 27 20:23:59 yeah, well Aug 27 20:24:02 aww shit Aug 27 20:24:02 I have returned :D Aug 27 20:24:05 there goes my glamo again Aug 27 20:24:09 daenyth, nice Aug 27 20:25:02 so, moko pidgin? Aug 27 20:25:11 what's the package name, `pidgin' gives me an error Aug 27 20:25:20 Daenyth: it's in the rabenfrost feeds Aug 27 20:25:23 jucs: what's with XMPP in pidgin? Aug 27 20:25:29 Zorkman: eh? Aug 27 20:25:33 Daenyth: You need to install it from the angstrom repository... Aug 27 20:25:48 viq: Pidgin crashes while logging in...- Aug 27 20:25:55 http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ Aug 27 20:26:13 jucs: hm, interesting Aug 27 20:26:22 Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories#celtune Aug 27 20:26:22 viq: I know it depends on my XMPP-Server, but it works fine with the most recent version of pidgin... Aug 27 20:26:31 :) Aug 27 20:26:54 jucs, how about you ACTUALLY take the time to install ALL it's libraries? Aug 27 20:26:55 viq: Unfortunately I don't know where to get the most recent version from for the freerunner... Aug 27 20:26:56 are celtune and angstrom versions same? Aug 27 20:27:03 and components Aug 27 20:27:16 Dave: Which one should be missing? Aug 27 20:27:21 I'm using celtune's version, it works fine. Aug 27 20:27:22 jucs: 2.4.3 is the most recent one I heard of Aug 27 20:27:28 Install EVERYTHING Aug 27 20:27:37 * bricode just spent far too long on a u-boot env syntax bug. Ugh! Aug 27 20:27:45 hehe Aug 27 20:27:51 so that's where you disappeared off ot :) Aug 27 20:27:53 to Aug 27 20:28:31 Dave: Yeah, apparently "roofstype" is *correct* and "rootfstype" isn't for my uboot 1.3.2 . Aug 27 20:28:44 viq: It works fine with Pidgin 2.4.1, too... Aug 27 20:28:59 But the from the angstrom-repo is too old :-P Aug 27 20:29:13 heh Aug 27 20:29:16 bricode: well duh, you have to put the roof on or your memory will leak... Aug 27 20:29:24 >_> Aug 27 20:29:27 Hm, another question - what about kismet or equivalent on FR? ;) Aug 27 20:29:40 viq++, I am interested also Aug 27 20:29:51 except aircrack-ng is infinitely better than kismet :P Aug 27 20:29:53 * bricode off to install Debian. Aug 27 20:30:10 kismet and aircrack-ng are for different things, IMO Aug 27 20:30:16 does the NIC support monitor mode and packet injection? Aug 27 20:30:30 nope... Aug 27 20:30:38 sucky Aug 27 20:30:38 heh Aug 27 20:30:41 VIM!? Aug 27 20:30:45 kismet is very fine for driving along and finding WLANs, aircrack-ng is fine for cracking one particular WEP WAP Aug 27 20:30:52 fair enough Aug 27 20:30:53 daenyth, no it does not Aug 27 20:31:04 not yet, anyway :P Aug 27 20:31:11 like the rest of the FR :P Aug 27 20:31:15 kismet not on angstrom? Aug 27 20:31:28 :D Aug 27 20:31:37 i would expect it to be Aug 27 20:31:44 Wonka: erm cracks WAP ? really? Aug 27 20:32:09 Tig|: aircrack-ng cracks WEP Aug 27 20:32:14 right Aug 27 20:32:26 WAP: wireless access point ;) :P Aug 27 20:32:53 Tig|: you may have been thinking WPA Aug 27 20:33:04 yes please Aug 27 20:33:16 bricode: roo[t]fstype is interpreted by the kernel, not u-boot. Aug 27 20:33:34 paroneayea: arse :) yes sorry just skim read something without engadging my brain :) Aug 27 20:34:22 mmontour: very true Aug 27 20:34:23 lI was thinking WPA Aug 27 20:34:26 Mmontour! Aug 27 20:34:48 Dave? Aug 27 20:34:49 mmontour: Guess I'll have to track down what kernel that is and make sure it gets fixed. Aug 27 20:34:53 opkg install pidgin-plugin-cap pidgin-plugin-convcolors pidgin-plugin-extplacement pidgin-plugin-gestures pidgin-plugin-gtkbuddynote pidgin-plugin-iconaway pidgin-plugin-markerline pidgin-plugin-musicmessaging pidgin-plugin-notify pidgin-plugin-relnot pidgin-plugin-sendbutton pidgin-plugin-spellchk pidgin-plugin-xmppconsole libpurple-libjabber libpurple-liboscar libpurple-logreader libpurple-plugin-autoaccept libpurple-plugin-buddynote libpurple-p Aug 27 20:34:58 bricode: IIRC the kernel will auto-detect an ext2/ext3 fs from the SD card, but has to be told explicitly to use jffs2 for NAND Aug 27 20:35:01 You really mean this should help? Aug 27 20:35:19 YES Aug 27 20:35:34 AHVERYSING Aug 27 20:35:41 uhm... Aug 27 20:35:51 jucs: do you find that pidgin works nicely on here? Aug 27 20:36:14 paroneayea: No, not yet.... ICQ is broken and XMPP too... Aug 27 20:36:15 I'm thinking of making a jabber bot so I can ping back and forth between my apartment server and home using my phone Aug 27 20:36:27 ah Aug 27 20:38:04 paroneayea: psh Aug 27 20:38:09 * phrozen77__ noms on his cheezburgar Aug 27 20:38:09 ssh + screen + irssi + bitlbee Aug 27 20:38:11 noooob Aug 27 20:38:11 nomnomnom Aug 27 20:38:23 * Daenyth noms on his.. race cake with peanut butter Aug 27 20:38:24 :< Aug 27 20:38:45 race cake?, never heard of those Aug 27 20:38:50 i'd like an automatic reply to short messages from a defined number containing the current GPS position Aug 27 20:38:54 rice cake probably Aug 27 20:39:10 Wonka: me too Aug 27 20:39:33 Zorkman: oh, yeah, most likely, doesn't mean i can't give him crap for it ;) Aug 27 20:39:46 maybe even do different things depending on content of the message Aug 27 20:40:15 Wonka: Hmm. I could use that. Aug 27 20:40:37 the question is how to trigger it Aug 27 20:40:45 sim change? Aug 27 20:41:13 Daenyth: half of the advantage of the Jabber bot is to ask my IP so I know what to ssh to :) Aug 27 20:41:16 so that wouldn't work Aug 27 20:41:25 paroneayea: dyndns! Aug 27 20:41:27 paroneayea: XMPP at least works with some servers^^ Aug 27 20:41:30 hm, i said "automatic reply to short messages from a defined number"... Aug 27 20:41:45 Dave: I'm not sure about this method.... my poor memory... Aug 27 20:41:48 on sim change, an automatic outgoing short message to that number would be fine too Aug 27 20:41:58 anyone here ever work with libsoup? Aug 27 20:42:11 I had some miso soup today if that helps Aug 27 20:42:21 i'd rather have libpizza Aug 27 20:42:22 i either found a bug, or i'm somehow missing something Aug 27 20:42:32 probably both! Aug 27 20:42:41 gee, thanks :P Aug 27 20:42:41 :D Aug 27 20:42:50 always happy to help Aug 27 20:43:05 Daenyth: yeah, I should probably look into dyndns Aug 27 20:43:30 even so Aug 27 20:43:32 paroneayea: actually I like no-ip.org better Aug 27 20:43:52 better linux updater Aug 27 20:44:18 even so, I would just like to have a bot that I can message Aug 27 20:44:43 is there anyone who gets "sane" altitude outputs from GPS? Aug 27 20:44:56 butler@dustycloud.org: Your IP address is 123.45.67.123, sir. Aug 27 20:45:16 butler@dustycloud.org: The temperature in your apartment is currently 83 degrees. A tad warm, I should say! Aug 27 20:45:17 paroneayea: just get on irc and /whois your home nick :P Aug 27 20:45:21 ;p Aug 27 20:45:21 since freenode doesn't mask Aug 27 20:45:32 actually Aug 27 20:45:35 I have a mask ;) Aug 27 20:45:39 well Aug 27 20:45:40 psh Aug 27 20:45:43 pshaw Aug 27 20:45:45 hrmf Aug 27 20:45:47 oh wait, I need to identify Aug 27 20:45:51 * Daenyth dances on paroneayea's face Aug 27 20:46:19 there we go, masked :) Aug 27 20:47:08 :D Aug 27 20:47:20 jucs, how goes? Aug 27 20:47:26 bricode: are you sure? got one of those too, and they're awfuly slow. I think it's the equiv of a 486 with a few 586 instructions and minimal L2 cache Aug 27 20:47:42 Dave: have you checked tangogps friends today??? Aug 27 20:48:09 Dave: I'm still not sure, so many packages... Aug 27 20:48:20 I mean, I don't know what I need them for... Aug 27 20:48:31 I've installed thos belonging to XMPP... Aug 27 20:48:32 fucking wine appdb Aug 27 20:48:48 those* Aug 27 20:48:51 you would think they would be smart enough to not send me an email notification when _I_ post something to a watched topic Aug 27 20:49:19 Dave: it seems like your arch nemesis can run freaking fast Aug 27 20:49:27 mm Aug 27 20:49:30 trem time Aug 27 20:49:57 nyu: I'm sure that the LX version of the Geode had a floating point and SSE instructions. Aug 27 20:50:17 nyu: We used to sell a thin client that was very similar to the guts of an OLPC. Aug 27 20:51:10 how to hardreset my device? Aug 27 20:51:13 bricode: whatever it has, it feels slow ;-) Aug 27 20:51:16 nyu: I sat down with Jim Getty's about 2 years ago and he detailed why they chose the Geode as their processor. Aug 27 20:51:17 I can't resume it from suspend Aug 27 20:51:18 :O Aug 27 20:51:25 WHERE!? Aug 27 20:51:28 WindowsUninstall: Yank the battery Aug 27 20:51:39 WindowsUninstall: unplug usb, remove battery, wait a few seconds Aug 27 20:51:42 Zorkman, oh about lll being down south? Aug 27 20:51:48 WindowsUninstall: suspend works fine....resume is quite another thing.... Aug 27 20:52:08 I've been thinking of getting a GPS for my Eee PC (I don't have a gps in my 1973 ;p), but I don't know what hardware is good Aug 27 20:52:37 UndrWater, so what I should do? Aug 27 20:52:38 Dave: check the times Aug 27 20:52:53 only 5min interval Aug 27 20:52:55 huh? Aug 27 20:52:55 UndrWater, disabling suspend or to go back to OS 2007.2? Aug 27 20:52:59 Where'd they go? Aug 27 20:53:00 :O Aug 27 20:53:04 that means she could be in 5minutes right behind your back Aug 27 20:53:08 o_o Aug 27 20:53:13 WHERE!? Aug 27 20:53:18 tangogps, friends, Aug 27 20:53:19 (my freerunner is presently preoccupied) Aug 27 20:53:21 Do you guys know of any US GSM providers that issue femtocells? Aug 27 20:53:21 she's south of you Aug 27 20:53:34 Sargun - heh Aug 27 20:53:37 Good luck ;) Aug 27 20:53:46 she has moved the distance it would take her to get to you (probably a test) and she did it in 5 minutes! Aug 27 20:53:52 femtocells? even smaller than picocells? Aug 27 20:54:00 I should go after them!? Aug 27 20:54:09 are you cazy? you're not prepared Aug 27 20:54:20 * Dave readies his elephant gun Aug 27 20:54:30 lock your doors at night dave... Aug 27 20:54:35 nevar Aug 27 20:54:40 maybe secret agent bumbl can help.... Aug 27 20:54:41 femtocells are for when you really need coverage in womens bathrooms. Aug 27 20:54:52 ;p Aug 27 20:55:16 But I thought he's going to brussels Aug 27 20:55:52 maybe to take a plane? or maybe it's code-talk, and I4m also a secret agent, without knowing it myself (yeah, that secret!) Aug 27 20:56:01 :o Aug 27 20:56:07 * Dave closes his front door :o Aug 27 20:56:52 I like ShellEvil more when he was fast... Aug 27 20:56:57 *liked Aug 27 20:57:13 he's losing his edge Aug 27 20:57:30 * SpeedEvil sets Zorkman on fire. Aug 27 20:57:39 that's more like it! Aug 27 20:59:32 on the FR: does having 95% disk usage slow down the phone? Aug 27 21:00:18 nand? Aug 27 21:00:30 yeah, the rootfs Aug 27 21:00:49 Shouldn't. Aug 27 21:01:05 is anyone familiar with the debian installerscript? Aug 27 21:01:10 The NAND does not have seek delays like a normal disk. Aug 27 21:01:11 :D Aug 27 21:01:15 speedy :) Aug 27 21:01:33 thx Aug 27 21:01:36 no spinning disks or arms Aug 27 21:01:40 phrozen77__: you would have read it by now ;) Aug 27 21:01:56 Zorkman: could do, if jffs2 compression is turned on. Aug 27 21:01:58 lol Aug 27 21:02:15 there are many more variables than just seek time. Aug 27 21:02:33 cjb: but just usage? Aug 27 21:02:40 cjb: everything else being equal Aug 27 21:02:56 * phrozen77__ spanks lindi- Aug 27 21:02:56 :) Aug 27 21:03:04 UndrWater: if you're reading compressed jffs2, you're using CPU by compressing data bdfore writing it. Aug 27 21:03:14 uh, uncompressing before reading. Aug 27 21:03:20 UndrWater: if you're writing compressed jffs2, you're using CPU by compressing data bdfore writing it. Aug 27 21:03:26 i should clarify usage % Aug 27 21:03:30 so, "just disk usage" doesn't make any sense. Aug 27 21:03:34 Zorkman: would it be a nioce feature to message friends on tangogps? Aug 27 21:03:48 gamin: I already mailed marcus bauer about it Aug 27 21:03:54 he was positive about it Aug 27 21:04:00 why not just find out by looking at how idle the CPU is during your disk usage? Aug 27 21:04:03 in otherwords...if i've got 90% of nand filled as opposed to 40% Aug 27 21:04:09 *oh* Aug 27 21:04:13 that's very different. Aug 27 21:04:21 yes, that's usually slower on jffs2, especially when writing. Aug 27 21:04:29 Zorkman: oh cool. I heard it is already working in some secret code ;-) Aug 27 21:04:40 damn, didn't hear that Aug 27 21:04:49 Zorkman: rumors... Aug 27 21:05:45 Zorkman: well, I had a chance to talk to that guy... ;) Aug 27 21:05:58 gamin: I also asked about the ability to import gps track logs, he's also working on that one Aug 27 21:06:22 he mailed me that there was a category for geocaching, but I can't figure out what he meant Aug 27 21:06:32 "You can do that already: there is a category for geochaching(sports->geocache). Insert your caches there and then simply click onthe yellow POI star and use the goto button." Aug 27 21:06:58 lookin to buy cc #s Aug 27 21:07:14 Zorkman: when you add a poi, choose sports, then sub-cat geocache. Aug 27 21:08:04 Zorkman: if you display the the poi_s, you can click on them and in the pop-up click 'go-to' Aug 27 21:08:05 yeah, but I asked him about adding it with the GPS coordinates, not with clicking on the map Aug 27 21:08:16 are you using tangogps with 2008.8? Aug 27 21:08:29 oh, my bad, it works :) Aug 27 21:08:36 Zorkman: lol Aug 27 21:08:40 UndrWater: I use it wiht 2007.2 and 2008.8 Aug 27 21:09:04 UndrWater: I heard about probs with the latest 2008 Aug 27 21:09:22 gamin, UndrWater: you just have to edit the gtk config Aug 27 21:09:34 UndrWater: 2007 works w/o probs Aug 27 21:09:43 Zorkman: i can't seem to get a fix w/ 08...even when agpsui has a fix Aug 27 21:10:11 Zorkman: i've done the gtk fix...makes it purtier...but doesn't help it get a fix ;) Aug 27 21:10:15 UndrWater: are you using the original tangogps or that fso thingy? Aug 27 21:10:26 gamin: original Aug 27 21:10:59 UndrWater: and your /etc/defaults/gpsd is pointing to /dev/ttySA1? Aug 27 21:11:01 UndrWater: can you get a fix with openmoko-agpsui? Aug 27 21:11:11 * UndrWater thinks of returning to 2007, cause he was having more fun then...except for the keyboard Aug 27 21:11:27 Zorkman: gamin: yes to ya both! Aug 27 21:11:32 UndrWater: there is a nice keyboard for 2007.2 Aug 27 21:11:37 have anyone edited fstab and added the sd card to mount as home? Aug 27 21:11:40 gamin: no...ttySA0 Aug 27 21:11:51 :) Aug 27 21:12:03 gamin: what's it called? Aug 27 21:12:13 UndrWater: GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" Aug 27 21:12:24 gamin: i'll try that then ;) Aug 27 21:12:48 what's the good KB for 2007? not the matchbox one? Aug 27 21:13:08 wish raster's kb would work in 2007...but i know that's a pipe dream Aug 27 21:13:36 I have a modified matchbox one with larger buttons Aug 27 21:13:48 but I lack some characters like "%" Aug 27 21:14:23 UndrWater: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <- xkdb keyboard Aug 27 21:14:47 has anyone been able to *make calls* with the debian install? Aug 27 21:16:13 UndrWater: but you need an applet for activating xkbd. it doesn't come up by itself. Aug 27 21:16:26 gamin: what is "Mult" :) Aug 27 21:16:57 Zorkman: I have no fscking idea ;-) Aug 27 21:17:17 can you use that keyboard with your fingers? Aug 27 21:17:42 Zorkman: barley. only in emergency Aug 27 21:17:44 oh Aug 27 21:17:49 I see that one can Aug 27 21:17:50 sweet Aug 27 21:18:29 is there a version of alien to convert ipk into deb for the debian install? Aug 27 21:18:52 or can debian eat .ipk? Aug 27 21:18:55 gamin: which applet? Aug 27 21:19:12 UndrWater: I wrote it myself Aug 27 21:19:29 what about backspace? Aug 27 21:19:47 does someone knows a way to change the location where qtopia stores his qtopia_db.sqlite file? It seams like this file is always stored on the first partition of the media card.. and this is my boot partition Aug 27 21:20:35 i hope this isn't hardcoded Aug 27 21:20:46 WindowsUninstall: backspace is there. and you have a ctrl key. ever wondered why on slashdot people write ^W or ^H ? ;-))) Aug 27 21:21:24 UndrWater: see again on scap.linuxtogo.org Aug 27 21:21:51 gamin, I mean on the phone Aug 27 21:22:22 WindowsUninstall: I really have no clue then what you mean??? Aug 27 21:22:51 gamin, I mean backspace Aug 27 21:23:03 I need a method to remove last typed characted Aug 27 21:23:06 *character Aug 27 21:23:27 WindowsUninstall: On the multitap keyboard, I think it's a stroke from right to left Aug 27 21:23:27 WindowsUninstall: with an onscrenn keyboard? Aug 27 21:23:30 gamin: why not just create proper package? Aug 27 21:23:44 WindowsUninstall: On the matchbox keyboard, it's backspace :-) Aug 27 21:23:58 matchbox keyboard? Aug 27 21:24:05 yes Aug 27 21:24:25 i can use matchbox keyboard on OS 2008.8? Aug 27 21:24:31 lindi-: time, but you can have the whole image here with many other things that I didn't have time to write about:http://mokogtk.free.fr/ Aug 27 21:24:33 Oh, I didn't know you were on 2008.8 Aug 27 21:25:01 I thought raster's kbd on 2008.8 had a backspace key, but I've never run 2008.8, so ignore my advice :-) Aug 27 21:25:02 gamin: i don't fancy images i can't build from source automatically :/ Aug 27 21:25:17 lindi-: I'd love to have my days with 60 hours.. Aug 27 21:25:20 gamin: they lock development out totally :/ Aug 27 21:26:55 lindi-: I'm spending more than 10h per day on OM.... Aug 27 21:27:22 gamin: 13.xhr till perfection ;-) Aug 27 21:27:30 lindi-: I'll see what I can do Aug 27 21:28:01 Zorkman: that's my goal ;P Aug 27 21:28:28 gamin: but more developers could help if the sources were buildable :) Aug 27 21:28:29 while your at it: try to make battle of wesnoth or an equally nice game work on the FR :) Aug 27 21:28:55 Zorkman: probably with a little tweaking of space-time I can even reach 30h / day ;-))) Aug 27 21:29:17 a minesweeper where you can actually mark the mines would be enough for me atm Aug 27 21:29:35 wonka: press and hold Aug 27 21:29:42 Wonka: lollll!! Aug 27 21:29:45 but it doesn't work very good Aug 27 21:30:48 Dave: have you upgraded 2007.2 today? Aug 27 21:31:03 lindi-: IIRC I took the bluetooth applet, added two menu entries and did a system 'xkdb' / 'killall xkdb' - just a few lines Aug 27 21:31:03 I get a lot of unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-***** Aug 27 21:31:21 today? Aug 27 21:31:26 maybe Aug 27 21:31:32 yeah, a whole lot of updates Aug 27 21:31:32 Zorkman, looking for anything in particular Aug 27 21:31:43 zorkman, yeah I'm updated with whatever the latest is. Aug 27 21:32:07 lindi-: I'm following OM since the beginning and there are many thing I can't be bothered about anymore. Aug 27 21:32:28 Its a miracle I'm still there... Aug 27 21:32:29 Zorkman: wesnoth works Aug 27 21:32:41 hm Aug 27 21:32:41 are there any special steps involved after opkg upgrades the kernel? Aug 27 21:32:43 Zorkman: you just need --enable-tiny Aug 27 21:32:53 This probably means that your libc libraries are not 100 % compatible Aug 27 21:32:54 with this binary MySQL version. The MySQL daemon, mysqld, should work Aug 27 21:32:54 normally with the exception that host name resolving will not work. Aug 27 21:32:54 This means that you should use IP addresses instead of hostnames Aug 27 21:32:54 when specifying MySQL privileges ! Aug 27 21:33:22 gamin: i escaped to debian since i wanted to be able to edit sources of any application :) Aug 27 21:34:06 gamin: about that applet, see http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Aug 27 21:34:15 lindi-: I guess I'm going that path too. I'd just like to convert ipk into .deb. can't be too difficult Aug 27 21:34:53 gamin: but if you then hit a problem with the debian package, how do you rebuild it? Aug 27 21:35:23 gamin: i can teach you to create debian packages if you want Aug 27 21:36:21 nyu, lindi-: I have already a package in Debian... Aug 27 21:36:35 gamin: good :) Aug 27 21:36:59 gamin: then you already know how to build debs from source debs ;-) Aug 27 21:37:03 haven't yet found the time to become a DD... Aug 27 21:37:06 no need for binary conversion Aug 27 21:37:12 * johnsu01 notes that it's kind of hard to get the microSD card out Aug 27 21:37:19 I always forget which way it comes up Aug 27 21:37:32 johnsu01: raise from inside Aug 27 21:37:43 use your nails.. Aug 27 21:38:15 nyu: I haven't yet looked into it, but does debian easily cross compile with all dependencies? Aug 27 21:38:27 gamin: i use qemubuilder for that Aug 27 21:38:32 gamin: I don't really know. why don't you compile natively? Aug 27 21:38:50 gamin: cross compiling the whole archive is not supported, it would require really extensive changes Aug 27 21:38:53 lindi- nyu: I use OE Aug 27 21:38:55 I use qemu-system-arm Aug 27 21:39:00 gamin: yes but you wanted debian :) Aug 27 21:39:07 nyu: yep, thanks :) Aug 27 21:39:29 lindi-: that's why I thought about alien ipk->deb Aug 27 21:39:52 gamin: are you sure this won't break abi or other nasty things? Aug 27 21:39:53 I have the full mokomake-file OE running here Aug 27 21:40:35 nyu: well, the binaries run, and ipk and deb basically just copy them... Aug 27 21:41:22 eh? Aug 27 21:41:35 nyu: I really didn't look into it but a gut feeling tells me that the ipk binaries should run on debian Aug 27 21:41:54 but with no dependency info Aug 27 21:42:06 lindi-: therefore alien Aug 27 21:43:10 Did anyone get Dillo to run on the freerunner? Aug 27 21:43:16 * gamin thinks that IRC is just a perfect waste of time ;-))) Aug 27 21:43:42 jucs: I use links in graphical mode Aug 27 21:43:56 jucs: even google mail works ;-) Aug 27 21:44:02 I'd rather use epiphany, if it runs smoothly enough Aug 27 21:44:03 gamin: Me too, but it has many difficulties... Aug 27 21:44:17 I don't have a mobile net connection anyway Aug 27 21:44:21 nyu: Me too, but I don't know where to get it from :-( Aug 27 21:44:32 epiphany would be great! Aug 27 21:44:34 jucs: I love the message: your brwoser is not fully supported - lol Aug 27 21:44:36 jucs: apt-get install epiphany-browser? ;-) Aug 27 21:44:49 apt-get? Freerunner :-P Aug 27 21:44:57 nyu: am still on OE, but debian is on my list Aug 27 21:45:03 OE? Aug 27 21:45:10 openembedded Aug 27 21:45:17 mokomakefile Aug 27 21:45:22 is that the same as openmoko? Aug 27 21:45:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Aug 27 21:46:43 nyu: how have you turned your real name upside down? Aug 27 21:46:53 gamin: sugar-shell? Aug 27 21:47:15 gamin: utf-8 Aug 27 21:47:16 I didn't even know that I have a correspionding char set Aug 27 21:47:31 hmmm, second time now today, my computer just died out, had freerunner plugged in. Is on UPS so not a building problem. Has never happened before. Aug 27 21:47:43 <- trying to install epiphany from angstrom... Aug 27 21:47:46 anyone had that happen? Aug 27 21:47:52 your FR is on UPS? Aug 27 21:48:00 UndrWater: ehhhmmmm. I think that sugar is completely broken Aug 27 21:48:05 * gamin ducks away Aug 27 21:48:26 nyu: given its power usage it might be a good idea ;) Aug 27 21:48:36 UndrWater: I was too stupid too understand sugar when I had an OLPC in my hands Aug 27 21:48:46 Zorkman: "press and hold" did never work for me. not one single time. Aug 27 21:48:47 nyu: no, the fr was plugged into my computer Aug 27 21:48:47 opkg -force-depends * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for epiphany: Aug 27 21:48:48 * libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.4) * libgcc1 (>= 4.2.4) * gnome-desktop (>= 2.18.3) * libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.1) * libpopt0 (>= 1.14) * Aug 27 21:48:48 -.- Aug 27 21:48:56 UndrWater: nor could the guy demonstrating it explain it to me Aug 27 21:49:17 linux expo? Aug 27 21:49:38 Wonka: works for me in most cases, but you need to use a stylus and keep it really steady Aug 27 21:49:55 i do use a stylus... Aug 27 21:50:02 Zorkman: your waypoint problem with tangogps is really solved? Aug 27 21:50:16 gamin: yes Aug 27 21:50:46 hmm? Aug 27 21:51:07 What are you breaking now, jucs? :D Aug 27 21:51:17 Dave :-P Aug 27 21:51:33 Trying to get epiphany running, but I think it won't :-( Aug 27 21:52:53 what features besides messagn friends and loading tracks would be cool for tangogps? Aug 27 21:53:09 s/messagn/messagin/ Aug 27 21:53:09 gamin meant: what features besides messagin friends and loading tracks would be cool for tangogps? Aug 27 21:53:25 s/messagin/messaging/ Aug 27 21:53:31 ;-) Aug 27 21:53:39 gamin: One VERY urgent one: Disabling the OSD speed display, it's really endless annoying :-P Aug 27 21:53:55 jucs: oops, why that? Aug 27 21:54:27 Just because it's big and it covers a big part of the map... Aug 27 21:54:48 And there's no use in it.... the speed is also display on the bottom... Aug 27 21:55:34 I mean, of cource, it may be useful on a bike - but there really needs to be an option to turn it off :-) Aug 27 21:55:39 :D Aug 27 21:55:44 jucs: well, I'll meet that developer bloke next week in paris... Aug 27 21:55:46 I keep thinking his nick is garmin Aug 27 21:55:50 displayed* Aug 27 21:56:15 gamin: I would be very pleased if you talked to them about that ;-) Aug 27 21:57:17 anyone have working gprs settings for qtopia? tmobile is what I'm trying to use, and I get an endless pending message Aug 27 21:57:43 I see people have gotten this working with pppd, but I'm trying to see if it will work just using the qtopia config widget Aug 27 21:58:19 anyone gotten accelerometers working with 2007.2? Aug 27 21:58:19 Yeah, I have no idea with qtopia. Aug 27 21:58:28 I've done it successfully with pppd Aug 27 21:58:30 Zorkman: yes Aug 27 21:58:34 Zorkman, yes. Aug 27 21:58:40 working properly though? unsure :P Aug 27 21:58:40 gamin: how? (messing with neod?) Aug 27 21:58:47 gamin :P Aug 27 21:58:52 suspicion :p Aug 27 21:59:07 Zorkman: yes, I have my own neod Aug 27 21:59:15 Dave: ,-PP Aug 27 21:59:26 gamin: does it work on a fully upgraded 2007.2? Aug 27 21:59:33 gamin: and could you "lend" it to me :) Aug 27 21:59:38 i'd like a neod in python... so i could more easily modify it Aug 27 22:00:20 haha Aug 27 22:00:24 anyone had their freerunner reboot their computer? Aug 27 22:00:27 Wonka >:) Aug 27 22:00:28 Wonka: done. Aug 27 22:00:30 doc? haha Aug 27 22:00:32 it's called frameworkd Aug 27 22:00:37 I've had mine explode my computer, does that count? Aug 27 22:00:42 has happened to me twice today :/ Aug 27 22:00:48 Dave: really? Aug 27 22:00:49 Zorkman: the neod opens in a loop all devices under /dev/input. just change that and you are okay Aug 27 22:00:49 ouch Aug 27 22:00:52 gamin: To be honest, I really like tangoGPS besides that :-p Aug 27 22:00:52 are you running windows? Aug 27 22:00:58 there was reportedly a bug which did that Aug 27 22:01:01 pfft, no! Aug 27 22:01:05 :P Aug 27 22:01:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rce06f9f0eccc 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: Aug 27 22:01:07 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: fix power supply class logic, if not present Aug 27 22:01:07 freesmartphone.org: Yay, this now works even if battery is hot-swapped -- even if you change Aug 27 22:01:07 freesmartphone.org: from a TH (which has no power supply support yet) to a CC (which has). Aug 27 22:01:10 Dave: Are you using it with tmobile? Aug 27 22:01:19 hey, all I know is there was a usb networking bug which caused it to reboot your computer Aug 27 22:01:20 mickeyl: frameworkd is "a little" different. power menu, aux menu, all that stuff is quite as i like it. Aug 27 22:01:22 jucs: 8-) Aug 27 22:01:29 johnsu, two of mine are with tmobile Aug 27 22:01:30 Dave: hmmm, no networking here Aug 27 22:01:32 and yes they work Aug 27 22:01:38 Wonka: ah, well, these things you can easily recreate in py Aug 27 22:01:39 Dave: although it might have pulled one by accident Aug 27 22:01:40 doc, o_O Aug 27 22:01:46 ouch Aug 27 22:01:48 usb net that is Aug 27 22:01:50 Dave: What's the APN you are using? wap.voicestream.com, internet2.voicestream.com? Aug 27 22:01:56 gamin: I'm a noob, some more info would be apreciated :) can I edit it with nano and where is it located? Aug 27 22:01:59 oh oH Aug 27 22:02:08 you're trying to use wap? Aug 27 22:02:32 I was using them in host mode :P Aug 27 22:02:57 well, I didn't peruse their network Aug 27 22:03:07 I simply got an ip, and then connected them to each other Aug 27 22:03:17 I could check later though, I guess Aug 27 22:03:23 okay Aug 27 22:03:23 I never really tried playing with their wap Aug 27 22:06:00 you wouldn't have that trouble with debian packages ;-) Aug 27 22:06:07 jucs: ^ Aug 27 22:06:20 hm? Aug 27 22:06:31 Debian packages? Aug 27 22:06:52 23:59 < Dave> there was reportedly a bug which did that Aug 27 22:07:01 I've used some... but I didn't find out how to lower the problems I've had... Aug 27 22:07:10 I mean, do you get epiphany to run? Aug 27 22:07:15 Dave: uhm nifty. that means an usb exploit device can be crafted to crash all windowsen? ;-) Aug 27 22:07:27 jucs: want me to try? Aug 27 22:07:47 i heard there were usb sticks with autorun programs that opened a rootshell... Aug 27 22:08:04 Wonka: usb autorun is disabled by default Aug 27 22:08:08 nyu: If it's okay for you :-) I mean, I really miss a cool browser for the FR - and epi is all right on Gnome, so it'll be all right on the FR I think... Aug 27 22:08:13 nyu: too bad Aug 27 22:08:20 jucs: just a min Aug 27 22:08:23 :-) Aug 27 22:08:31 Thanks! Aug 27 22:10:51 nyu: they appear as usb keyboards and type gui-r or something Aug 27 22:11:13 i have AVR here that can be programmed to do that Aug 27 22:11:44 with plenty of flash memory for rootkits :P Aug 27 22:14:07 lindi-: heh Aug 27 22:15:04 jucs: downloading Aug 27 22:15:12 nyu: :-) Aug 27 22:15:52 hrm...unthemed tangogps looks better on 2008 Aug 27 22:15:52 has anyone had a dfu_upload error -5? Aug 27 22:16:33 sevenhundred: i think there's a verbose switch... Aug 27 22:16:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r847182a42d02 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: document additional configuration keys Aug 27 22:20:01 sevenhundred: No, I always get -110... Aug 27 22:20:28 sevenhundred: if you do a dfu-util -l what do you get? Aug 27 22:27:02 nyu? Aug 27 22:27:25 nya Aug 27 22:29:26 jucs: attempting the install has caused a great explosion...nyu is dead Aug 27 22:29:56 UndrWater: Oh no, all my fault :-( Aug 27 22:30:04 murderer Aug 27 22:30:19 * doc|work calls the police Aug 27 22:30:40 Are you allowed to have mobiles in the prison if you can't call with them? :-P Aug 27 22:31:43 Well no, actually I doubt it :-( Aug 27 22:32:26 Maybe if they have a nonfunctional software stack... Aug 27 22:33:41 Isn't that what you call a brick? ;) Aug 27 22:34:34 *lol* Aug 27 22:35:20 gamin: can you please give me a hint how to edit neod? Aug 27 22:40:21 I am sorry but I think I need to say goodnight for now! Aug 27 22:40:40 nyu, I hope I'll to hear your results tommorrow ;-) Aug 27 22:41:44 jucs: hey Aug 27 22:41:50 jucs: takes ages to start Aug 27 22:41:50 Yes? Aug 27 22:42:00 How long are ages? :-D Aug 27 22:42:04 but otherwise is fine Aug 27 22:42:05 sounds like he's on the right track :) Aug 27 22:42:08 uhm Aug 27 22:42:10 maybe a minute Aug 27 22:42:17 that's good Aug 27 22:42:21 Gosh :D But than it works? Aug 27 22:42:26 Fast enough? Aug 27 22:42:29 doc|work: I didn't do anything special, just apt-got it Aug 27 22:42:35 jucs: let me check Aug 27 22:42:49 :-) Aug 27 22:43:10 standard speed for my sucky connection Aug 27 22:43:16 I'll try gnash now Aug 27 22:43:19 btw, I miss a keyboard Aug 27 22:43:31 had to run it via ssh Aug 27 22:43:39 However, we've got the button, so it's not that bad... Aug 27 22:43:43 :-D Aug 27 22:43:57 keyboard-button* Aug 27 22:44:12 So, you're using debian or just the debian repo? Aug 27 22:44:20 jucs: debian, in a chroot Aug 27 22:45:20 A okay, sounds not to be a fast thing to get to work :-P Aug 27 22:46:12 jucs: actually it is Aug 27 22:46:27 the hard thing would have been to setup debian to run the actual phone functions Aug 27 22:46:34 \quit Aug 27 22:46:39 ncurses! Aug 27 22:47:03 :-P Well, I'll talk to you about this again... Aug 27 22:47:07 with this I just ssh in, chroot, then set DISPLAY=:0 and can use om2007's x11 server Aug 27 22:47:14 But for now, thansk again and I really need to get some sleeeeeep XD Aug 27 22:47:22 good nite Aug 27 22:47:38 Thanks, and it actually sounds nice :-P What about of disk space do you need for it? Aug 27 22:47:53 amount* Aug 27 22:48:06 I use a 2 GiB uSD Aug 27 22:48:23 I think 1 GiB should git too Aug 27 22:48:25 erm, fit Aug 27 22:48:47 I only got 512MB, that's a bit to less... Aug 27 22:48:51 depends on what you install of course. I have wesnoth & epiphany now, basically Aug 27 22:49:13 nyu, epiphany? Aug 27 22:49:17 on the moko? Aug 27 22:49:20 yea Aug 27 22:49:24 Yes, great, isn't it? :-P Aug 27 22:49:30 I'll try gnash now Aug 27 22:49:30 can you please screeshot? Aug 27 22:49:46 uhm with the stock screenshot util? Aug 27 22:49:59 dunno Aug 27 22:50:06 sure I can Aug 27 22:50:09 what ever you want Aug 27 22:50:09 give me 10 mins Aug 27 22:50:11 cool ;0 Aug 27 22:50:22 So I'll leave this open and wait, too *bath* Aug 27 22:50:25 :-) Aug 27 22:52:17 well it's 1:45 am here ;( Aug 27 22:52:26 jucs, please pm me with the link he posts Aug 27 22:52:30 i will see it tomorrow Aug 27 22:52:57 or i may just search the logs Aug 27 22:53:37 *log mark to search, for internal use only* *AOAO* Aug 27 22:53:38 ;0 Aug 27 22:53:49 gn Aug 27 22:54:56 hi guys! =) Aug 27 23:07:55 quit Aug 27 23:16:21 KenYoung! Aug 27 23:16:23 It's you! Aug 27 23:16:48 We have much to discuss. Aug 27 23:17:06 and by discuss, I mean, beat software patches into you! Aug 27 23:17:09 >:) Aug 27 23:17:23 Dave, Yes? Aug 27 23:17:37 Hello! Aug 27 23:17:49 Hi Aug 27 23:18:27 Kenyoung, to where do I send modifications to your orrery? :) Aug 27 23:18:43 Also one major simple fix if you will please do so immediately... Aug 27 23:18:50 because I guess you missed it last time :P Aug 27 23:19:04 Dave, so you've got some source-code changes for me? What luck! Aug 27 23:19:36 so Aug 27 23:19:39 Yes... luck... Aug 27 23:19:55 now I've experienced that the openmoko phone *does* work as a daily, usable phone with qtopia Aug 27 23:19:56 I don;t have my code in CVS yet, though I should. You could email your mods to me, or if you would prefer, I could try to set up a CVS repository somewhere. Aug 27 23:20:14 ¬_¬ Aug 27 23:20:17 now that I know that, I'd like to get started with the FSO, and try to work with the most usable FSO that currently exists... Aug 27 23:20:27 but it seems there are a few distributions of it :p Aug 27 23:20:31 What email? Aug 27 23:20:40 what's the recommended best path for an FSO n00b like me? :) Aug 27 23:20:43 The same on the software page? Aug 27 23:20:47 I was unsure of that. Aug 27 23:20:54 Dave, orrery.moko@gmail.com Aug 27 23:20:55 and you always left before I get back usually Aug 27 23:20:57 okay! Aug 27 23:21:09 May I berate you in the meantime, while you're here? :D Aug 27 23:21:15 Dave, what does your new code do? Aug 27 23:21:26 Berate away. Aug 27 23:21:31 heh Aug 27 23:21:43 Well, for starters, we fix your desktop icon so it shows up in the appropriate place Aug 27 23:22:02 Please change Categories=GTK;Application;PIM in your orrery.desktop file Aug 27 23:22:07 Dave, I hope to release a new version Monday night, so this is apt to be a good time to fold in any changes you have. Aug 27 23:22:10 this will subsequently appease many users :) Aug 27 23:22:20 and no longer enrage them for it showing up in the wrong places :P Aug 27 23:22:28 kenyoung, awesome, please include that in it? Aug 27 23:22:31 ! Aug 27 23:23:23 Dave, so what category do you think is the appropriate one? None of them really seemed to fit, from my point of view. Aug 27 23:24:27 Right now it's Categories=GTK;Application;Office Aug 27 23:25:09 I just specified it Aug 27 23:25:17 If you could change it to Categories=GTK;Application;PIM Aug 27 23:25:23 it will, ironically, be better :P Aug 27 23:25:25 I liked that, because on my phone I like to have it displayed by default. But I can change my personal copy, of course, if there's a better classification which would make other users happier. Aug 27 23:25:34 yeah that would be better Aug 27 23:25:48 because most users were complaining about it being displayed in the PIM menu AND the Application menu Aug 27 23:26:05 Ironically, Categories=GTK;Application;PIM doesn't make it display in the PIM menu! Aug 27 23:26:08 :D Aug 27 23:26:23 The fucking menu parsing/filtering system itself is very whacky and I would say bugged Aug 27 23:26:33 OK, I get very little feedback about the program. Since you are the only person who has expressed a preference about that, you represent 100% of the voting public. Aug 27 23:26:43 e.g. Categories=Games makes it appear in Applications, but Categories=Game makes it appear the Games menu :P Aug 27 23:26:43 You win this particular election. Aug 27 23:26:52 KenYoung, excellent! Aug 27 23:26:52 :D Aug 27 23:26:58 I like your system :) Aug 27 23:27:03 Hooray for democracy! ;) Aug 27 23:27:50 Let me start up orrery Aug 27 23:28:23 Dave, WHen you say "most users were complaining about" where do you hear this? I posted my email address at the bottom of the Wiki page, in the .ipk file, at the gForge site, and I hardly ever hear anything about it. Where are *you* getting this user feedback? Aug 27 23:28:24 I think I experienced a problem when panning in landscape mode having to do with the various toggleable lines Aug 27 23:28:30 Kenyoung, here Aug 27 23:28:45 and most users would be, say, seven or so users out of ten who were using orrery Aug 27 23:28:57 yeah people are kind of scared to email you I guess Aug 27 23:29:02 or don't care to make suggestions Aug 27 23:29:08 most just like to rant here :) Aug 27 23:29:16 hoping *someone* will take it to the author... I guess Aug 27 23:29:22 ;) Aug 27 23:30:01 Dave, in landscape mode, it works very poorly, and the Transverse mercator projection is no longer a good choice. I plan on making a completely different display appear in landscape mode. Aug 27 23:30:15 yeah :| Aug 27 23:30:26 I know, you mentioned that when we last spoke about orrery ! Aug 27 23:30:38 I was very excited to hear your ideas regarding "a separate screen" :D Aug 27 23:30:43 I still am :) Aug 27 23:31:01 I also have some suggestions about displaying the equator line, etc Aug 27 23:31:12 it'd also be helpful if we had another method of identifying directionality Aug 27 23:31:15 Dave, I can't imagine why anyone would hesitate to send sugggestions. I practically beg for feedback on the Wiki page. I want to add new features. Three other folks have sent suggestions, and I plan on implementing most of them. Aug 27 23:32:04 or where one is, other than say "South" "East" being displayed on the bottom Aug 27 23:32:11 Kenyoung, aww, I'd be glad to harass you! Aug 27 23:32:11 :) Aug 27 23:32:11 I am very fond of it Aug 27 23:32:12 What alternative would you like, rather than the cardinal directions? Aug 27 23:32:12 but hope it can be taken to even further heights! Aug 27 23:32:13 No nyu-Screenshot? Aug 27 23:32:16 hmm Aug 27 23:32:47 I'm hoping to add magnification soon, perhaps by Monday. Aug 27 23:32:59 hey Aug 27 23:33:01 Well one thing (since I guess I'm the only one giving you feedback, I guess I'll speak for myself), I am very confused by what lines mean what, when displayed Aug 27 23:33:05 juc1: took me a while to figure out how to capture them Aug 27 23:33:09 I had to be very quick Aug 27 23:33:16 so it wasn't until I was able to navigate to your project page to figure out what the different lines meant Aug 27 23:33:26 I'm going to have different things happen if you tap the screen, or press it for > 1 second, or draw a loop around an area, etc. Aug 27 23:33:28 or I'd end up capturing the screenshot program (sigh) Aug 27 23:33:29 And.... have you been successful? Aug 27 23:33:32 http://newpeople.debian.org/~rmh/freerunner/ Aug 27 23:33:43 I honestly spent a day or two when I first got the application trying to figure out WHERE the equator was, and WHAT I was looking at. Aug 27 23:33:47 TAsn: ^ Aug 27 23:33:53 KenYoung, yeah, that sounds great Aug 27 23:33:58 Dave I've been trying to improve the wiki. Aug 27 23:34:11 also tapping to change the display is great, but somewhat bad, because you can very quickly *accidentally* change views Aug 27 23:34:18 nyu, thanks :) Aug 27 23:34:24 nyu: Wow, that looks great! Aug 27 23:34:41 wesnoth is still not playable here, as some controls fall out of the screen Aug 27 23:34:41 nyu: wow, wesnoth! sweet Aug 27 23:34:44 Dave, yes, and it is easy to get multiple taps. I guess I need to debounce. Aug 27 23:34:55 it should work fine when I finish the --enable-tinygui rebuild Aug 27 23:34:58 I don't mind panning using the numbers and side arrows on the bottom, but apparently it can be problematic for users, as you stated initially Aug 27 23:35:02 nyu: not surprising, it's the same way on the Eee PC even still Aug 27 23:35:07 kenyoung, it'll be fun! :) Aug 27 23:35:29 wish we could have a party or weekend to improve orrery :) Aug 27 23:36:06 paroneayea: not the same, on eeepc --enable-smallgui is enough Aug 27 23:36:06 I should really make a list, I've been too busy reporting on openmoko bugs lately Aug 27 23:36:06 the stock debian packages provide small gui but not tiny gui Aug 27 23:36:07 I just have them swarming around my mind :) Aug 27 23:36:07 nyu: oh really! I didn't realize that existed Aug 27 23:36:07 Dave, the celestial equator, ecliptic and galactic plane are briefly explained on the Wiki page now. I don't think a very detailed description is needed, since any interested party can just look it up in wikipedia. Aug 27 23:36:13 The planets is cool, but a lot of people have no idea what they mean Aug 27 23:36:15 nyu, that's debian though, right? Aug 27 23:36:28 if you had a help screen or something like on the website, it might be cool Aug 27 23:36:33 paroneayea: I think smallgui is only a hack to make -r work properly. tinygui OTOH involves different bitmaps Aug 27 23:36:37 TAsn: yep Aug 27 23:36:39 kenyoung, I guess :| Aug 27 23:36:48 nyu? Aug 27 23:36:52 nyu: gotcha Aug 27 23:36:52 Dave, please make a list, and email it. Don't bother including the categories stuff, I got that now. Aug 27 23:36:58 If you rebuild it, could compile it static for me? Aug 27 23:37:04 I think it would be cool if you could select a particular constellation you are interested in and it could highlight it, say in a different color, blue? Aug 27 23:37:18 you* Aug 27 23:37:19 also it would say that way, if you panned Aug 27 23:37:19 juc1: sorry, already finishing Aug 27 23:37:26 :-( Aug 27 23:37:30 a method to better keep a reference or something of interest, maybe? Aug 27 23:37:33 What's wrong now, jucs? Aug 27 23:37:39 hi guys... I'm having a problem getting my FR to connect to the net via USB networking Aug 27 23:37:40 juc1: why don't you build it yourself? it's easy to setup a native build env with qemu Aug 27 23:37:44 KenYoung, thanks for fixing the categories :P Aug 27 23:37:50 Really, is it? Aug 27 23:37:56 Dave, The wiki page has a link to a page explaining the planet symbols. My current, unreleased version also prints the planet names if you enable printing of the star names. Aug 27 23:38:04 I had it working with 2007.2, and I think I even had it working after flashing 2008.8, but it doesn't work now... I've gone through everything I can think of Aug 27 23:38:07 nyu, the only question is how i get it to work on moko Aug 27 23:38:10 Ah, good, I thought you might do that ;) Aug 27 23:38:13 without deb Aug 27 23:38:15 I can SSH to it, and it can ping my computer, but not the internet at large... Aug 27 23:38:24 Kenyoung, it's awesome, but you're running out of room for configurable options! :D Aug 27 23:38:26 TAsn: Be nice to nyu and maybe ;-) Aug 27 23:38:28 om 2007 or something ;0 Aug 27 23:38:33 Don't get me wrong though, it's really great! Aug 27 23:38:39 TAsn: I use a chroot Aug 27 23:38:57 nyu, oh, i think you already told me that what you do Aug 27 23:39:00 otherwise maybe you can build static binaries or something Aug 27 23:39:06 yeah. Aug 27 23:39:08 well both cool. Aug 27 23:39:11 anyway, I don't mess with my om Aug 27 23:39:25 it's meant to be pristine and stable for my actual phone needs Aug 27 23:39:35 can anyone help me troubleshoot this? Aug 27 23:39:37 Kenyoung, when gps location is selected does orrery [by default] display the last location? Aug 27 23:39:53 Yanroy: you need ip forwarding, possibly nat as well Aug 27 23:40:10 Yanroy: sudo sysctl net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1 Aug 27 23:40:13 Dave, I'm going to change the fullscreen button to FS, and the "display" menu to "items", and that will free enough realestate for another pulldown menu called "options". Aug 27 23:40:17 nyu: it's already set up... the sysctl thingy is 1, and the masquerade thing in iptables is there Aug 27 23:40:31 nyu: so you run debian on your OM? Aug 27 23:40:51 Yanroy: I'd rather walk over brimstone than debug someone else's iptables. but if you like I can paste my recipe Aug 27 23:40:58 nyu: AFAICT, this is the same setup that I had working a week or so ago (I think with the same 2008.8 image that's on there now) Aug 27 23:41:04 paroneayea: in a chroot, yes Aug 27 23:41:09 o Aug 27 23:41:26 Kenyoung, I like it! Aug 27 23:41:36 Dave, I'm not sure what you're asking. If it has goten a good position from gpsd, and if gpsd stops giving new position updates (because you're indoors, or have shut down the GPS unit), then it does keep using the last position it got, if that's what you're asking. Aug 27 23:41:38 nyu, you installed debian on the mem card? Aug 27 23:41:49 Yanroy: http://paste.debian.net/15773/ FWIW Aug 27 23:41:53 TAsn: yes Aug 27 23:41:59 cool Aug 27 23:42:09 how did you install it? Aug 27 23:42:10 I'm considering switching my 1973 over to debian Aug 27 23:42:13 KenYoung, let me get straight to the point, if I am inside but it has not gotten a fix, I don't want to be in Cambridge ;) Aug 27 23:42:17 * Dave heehee Aug 27 23:42:30 paroneayea: how is debian for calls? Aug 27 23:42:33 and sms Aug 27 23:42:35 TAsn: I used debootstrap. it's a debian package itself (which I run from another armel system), but I think it can run on non-debian too Aug 27 23:42:35 So, I'm leaving now! Good night to all of you! Aug 27 23:42:43 doc, better than you ;) Aug 27 23:42:52 nyu, cool enough. Aug 27 23:42:52 doc|work: I don't know, right now I'm just considering... just running qtopia ;p Aug 27 23:42:57 And nyu, thanks for your efforts again! Aug 27 23:43:01 doc|work: probably has issues on that. I only have it in chroot for now Aug 27 23:43:15 juc1: seriously, I've done nothing Aug 27 23:43:19 nyu, you rule, thanks. :) Aug 27 23:43:31 just setup the things I needed. I didn't even send a single patch :-P Aug 27 23:43:31 paroneayea: :) Aug 27 23:43:34 Dave, You can use the "place" menu to select a location from the menus, or enter a name with an explicit latitude and longitude, and then press the save to config button, and that will be your new default location, overriding Cambridge forever. Aug 27 23:43:36 nyu: fair enough Aug 27 23:43:36 jucs, abschied mein Freund :) Aug 27 23:43:48 OH, good Aug 27 23:43:51 :) Aug 27 23:44:00 nyu: So if you're feeling boring sometime put me a binary online! Bye bye ;-) Aug 27 23:44:03 Tschüss Dave! Aug 27 23:44:12 anyone see this post on the iriver battery pack being used with the neo? Aug 27 23:44:19 :] Aug 27 23:44:21 bored* Sorry for my english... Aug 27 23:44:25 * doc|work has an iriver battery pack and is having bad thoughts :o Aug 27 23:45:04 Kenyoung, I thought your icon change for the last release was a bit of an improvement, since I knew you weren't too pleased with it from the start ;) Aug 27 23:45:24 Dave, I know that philosophically we are supposed to avoid "save" buttons, and automatically save all confit doing that on a flash-based system makes me nervous, because flash has a finite number of writes before damage occurs. s, buguration change Aug 27 23:45:50 nyu, you gave us inspiration which is also important ;0 Aug 27 23:45:53 I actually had a couple different thoughts for a different icon, if you're interested I'll email them to you later this week :) Aug 27 23:46:02 Wow, that got messd up. I'll try again. Aug 27 23:46:07 KenYoung, yeah save button is smart Aug 27 23:46:11 I see no problem with it Aug 27 23:46:26 so long as your menus are easily navicable and the conf is intuitive Aug 27 23:46:33 and users can read reasonably well :) Aug 27 23:46:46 Dave, I know that philosophically we are supposed to avoid "save" buttons, and automatically save all configuration changes but doing that on a flash-based system makes me nervous, because flash has a finite number of writes before damage occurs. Aug 27 23:46:49 this d-bus stuff is exciting Aug 27 23:46:58 People in the past had "save conf" buttons which read nothing to do with Saving, which was HIGHLY counterintuitive. Go figure. Aug 27 23:47:12 maybe I can actually be of help developing, since I'm pretty much hacking python day in and day out... Aug 27 23:47:21 but am not too good with C/C++ atm ;p Aug 27 23:47:37 KenYoung: qtopia's back = save+go back is nice Aug 27 23:47:42 Kenyoung, actually from what I've been told about the hardware, you could write to it for years and it'll be fine. Aug 27 23:47:48 Doc, no Aug 27 23:47:55 Dave, yes Aug 27 23:47:58 !! Aug 27 23:48:01 it will be nice once ALL the context menus for that function do what it's supposed to. Aug 27 23:48:02 :) Aug 27 23:48:05 BEWARE Aug 27 23:48:11 One of them explodes your device! Aug 27 23:48:15 I won't tell you which one though >:) Aug 27 23:48:15 Dave, I'm thinking about hiring a freelance graphic artist to do icons at various resolutions. I am antiseptically devoid of any artistic talent. Aug 27 23:48:17 Dave: you lost me? Aug 27 23:48:27 Aww Aug 27 23:48:32 Kenyoung, may I contribute? :) Aug 27 23:48:46 I already made four different cute desktop icons (in my mind) :) Aug 27 23:48:51 KenYoung: get jimmac as a freelancer! ;) Aug 27 23:48:53 KenYoung: get them done in svg, then export them at certain resolutions Aug 27 23:48:55 I could quite easily do them this weekend. Aug 27 23:50:18 Dave, if you come up with icons, that would be much appreciated. I think the ones I have now are crappy. My only consolation is that the OM 2008.8 icons make no sense whatsoever in most cases. Aug 27 23:50:39 In other news, I find it quite amusing, yet severely distressing that the gsm chip/antenna can be responsible for any and all problems in the freerunner; more specifically, in almost all issues it is related. Aug 27 23:50:51 KenYoung, indeed! :D Aug 27 23:51:16 Kenyoung, I already put together an optional user package to replace the nonsensical icons with more sensible ones! Aug 27 23:51:20 heh Aug 27 23:52:16 Dave, Good. I can't imagine why they chose abstract impressionist art in the default distribution. Aug 27 23:52:36 Uhm, actually, the reason for that is that Xora 'accidentally' merged them into OM Aug 27 23:52:45 At least that's what he told me. Aug 27 23:53:13 Though he mentioned something about never keeping them, they remain there. So *shrug* Aug 27 23:53:25 I have my oldicons package to replace them with more sensible icons Aug 27 23:53:32 Dave, but how hard would it be for them to correct that? It's hard to imagine how fixing that could take an hour, since they already have sensible icons available. Aug 27 23:53:39 very easy Aug 27 23:53:48 I already did it Aug 27 23:53:53 right after it fucked my menus up Aug 27 23:54:09 people were coming in here with questions like, OMG, I UPDATED AND NOW MY TERMINAL APP IS GONE, WTF!??! Aug 27 23:54:13 and WHERE IS THE WEB BROWSER? Aug 27 23:54:20 because they would associate the app with the icon :p Aug 27 23:54:25 as I did when scrolling the menus Aug 27 23:54:33 I see the terminal app icon, it makes sense... Aug 27 23:54:37 n00b Aug 27 23:54:44 ... a painting a la jackson pollack? that's not the terminal. Aug 27 23:54:46 :P Aug 27 23:54:51 Virus, quiet you! Aug 27 23:54:55 lol Aug 27 23:54:58 Gee, associating an icon with an app. Who woe to get away with *that8?uld expect to be abl Aug 27 23:55:16 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r461865c7bb7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev Aug 27 23:55:21 Kenyoun, that is what qtopia is all about Aug 27 23:55:27 and they have not so intuitive icons Aug 27 23:55:43 you literally spend your first half-hour figuring out what icons go to what app/function Aug 27 23:55:50 it's slightly disconcerting :) Aug 27 23:56:02 granted they have a textual menu, but it's hidden behind one of those nonsensical icons! Aug 27 23:56:06 :D Aug 27 23:56:08 haha Aug 27 23:56:11 it's almost a [demented] game. Aug 27 23:56:23 Dave, I've not used qtopia, but from the screenshots I've seen it looks like they have a telephone for the dialer app icon. It doesn't look like nonsense. Aug 27 23:57:01 KenYoung: they do! In fact, I've shown the phone to people who had no idea what it was and they were even able to use it *without instruction* :O Aug 27 23:57:07 No, but stacked boxes == task manager? Aug 27 23:57:17 hmmm, my fr running qtopia seems to have locked up in suspend Aug 27 23:57:34 it could be better, for an interface with ONLY icons Aug 27 23:57:38 *shrugs* Aug 27 23:57:44 doc, congratulations. Aug 27 23:57:51 qtopia needs a decent keyboard more than it needs new icons Aug 27 23:57:54 real men use command-line to make phone calls Aug 27 23:58:03 heh Aug 27 23:58:08 doc, huhu Aug 27 23:58:18 Well, at least they keyboard has letters, rather than a zebra for the letter Z, etc. Aug 27 23:58:40 I had to hand a girl a piece of chopstick splinter to use my fr Aug 27 23:58:47 doc|work: but it provides 5 keyboards already! ;D Aug 27 23:58:48 * doc|work forgot stylus Aug 27 23:58:50 haha cute Aug 27 23:58:53 that would be hilarious. Aug 27 23:58:55 she was Aug 27 23:59:06 oh, the splinter? :) Aug 27 23:59:07 doc, nice Aug 27 23:59:13 that's pretty sad Aug 27 23:59:16 yes :( Aug 27 23:59:20 home time Aug 27 23:59:27 Later canuck Aug 27 23:59:44 nyu: thanks for your help... I discovered a typo in my commands thanks to your paste :) it works now Aug 28 00:00:07 Kenyoung, shall we resume our interesting astronomy conversation? :) Aug 28 00:00:10 Before you depart. Aug 28 00:00:16 Dave, sure! Aug 28 00:00:56 Dave, what doesn't the orrery do, that you had hoped it would do? Aug 28 00:01:26 I'm a bit behind on my ML reading... are there dailies for 2008.8 yet? Aug 28 00:03:03 hmm... I just did an opkg upgrade on my vanilla 2008.8 release image and its getting a new kernel Aug 28 00:03:07 does that mean yes? Aug 28 00:03:36 also, I'm a bit concerned that its pulling said kernel out of a folder called neo1973... is that normal? I have a FR Aug 28 00:03:57 Yanroy, Not anymore! Aug 28 00:05:38 could someone running tangogps on FSO pastebin their /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop, please? Aug 28 00:06:16 KenYoung: huh? to what are you referring? Aug 28 00:06:50 the one that's shipped with the new tangogps ver doesn't show an icon on FSO, but the old one did, I guess the .desktop has changed in a bad way Aug 28 00:06:55 Yanroy, It was a lame joke. I was implying that the update had turned your FR into a neo1973. Aug 28 00:07:48 KenYoung: ah, I see... then I suppose you don't know if its correct or not? Aug 28 00:08:05 Yanroy, sorry, no. Aug 28 00:08:52 cjb: are you just using your sim on fso to store contacts? Aug 28 00:11:15 ah, 'su' for sullivan. nice to meet you :-) Aug 28 00:11:44 Kenyoung :) Aug 28 00:11:50 cjb! Aug 28 00:12:03 Yes, Dave? Aug 28 00:12:09 cjb, what the fuck, I just fixed that with a user two or three days ago! Aug 28 00:12:35 It has Application;Office or something on the FSO version and doesn't show up on the desktop Aug 28 00:12:56 cjb, if you change Categories=GTK;Application;PIM I believe it shows up on the desktop Aug 28 00:13:06 (just try it, if you don't believe me) Aug 28 00:13:30 KenYoung, what doesn't orrery do that I had hoped it would do? The perfect question! :) Aug 28 00:13:31 johnsu01: I take it the FSF is putting strong weight on this project? Aug 28 00:13:47 Excellent, may I make feature requests now, as well? ;) Aug 28 00:13:56 Dave Please do. Aug 28 00:14:05 Hooray! Aug 28 00:14:12 Honestly, I am aware it is simply a map of the stars Aug 28 00:14:20 but somehow if you could, more color would be appreciated Aug 28 00:14:31 I like that the larger stars are represented as such now, but still Aug 28 00:14:50 Additionally, though the lines are differentiable by color Aug 28 00:14:55 they are very similar, I guess Aug 28 00:15:06 nyu: yes, although the freerunner was my own purchase :) Aug 28 00:15:06 I had kind of hoped one could be dotted differently or bolded Aug 28 00:15:38 Dave, I chose not to show the colors except for the brightest stars, because most people don't perceive the colors of faint stars, since they are detected by the rod cells in your eye, which are insensitive to color. Aug 28 00:16:00 Fine, fine. Aug 28 00:16:20 I also wish there was a way to easily distinguish the most well known stars Aug 28 00:16:21 johnsu01: nice (to both). I wonder if rms is going to grab his first cell phone soon now ;-) Aug 28 00:16:28 KenYoung: thanks for the software! Aug 28 00:16:32 I suppose there is now a show star/planet labels, right? Aug 28 00:16:39 Speedevil, here here! Aug 28 00:16:42 :) Aug 28 00:16:44 Dave: almost universally the brightest - biggest Aug 28 00:16:51 Yes yes Aug 28 00:17:08 And constellation maps will give you an idea of all the named ones too. Aug 28 00:17:25 KenYoung, I just had the thought that it'd be cool to be able to rotate the map, as well as rotate it about a particular point or star or star constellation :) Aug 28 00:17:47 Speedevil, and make you ponder how those ancient greeks figured it for a particular shape or thing or person :P Aug 28 00:17:49 Dave, I plan to change the colors of the constellations, at least. One color for zodiac constellations, one for the classic constellations from antiquety (Orion, etc), and one for the half-assed recent filler constellations like Sextans and Microscopium. Aug 28 00:17:55 or more accurately, what they were drinking ;) Aug 28 00:18:10 yeah hahaha Aug 28 00:18:17 seriously I looked at it in the car and I was trying to figure Aug 28 00:18:30 Microscopium, Triangulum, what the fuck are those? Aug 28 00:18:37 I figured they were "modern constellations" Aug 28 00:18:38 :P Aug 28 00:18:54 It's like, Triangulum, hey look, it's a triangle! hurr Aug 28 00:18:55 With a compass in the FR, and the accelerometers, the sky display could be awesome. Aug 28 00:19:03 nyu: heh, maybe, if we can get him an anoymous sim :) Aug 28 00:19:05 Speedevil, yeah, but that'll have to wait Aug 28 00:19:12 until the accelerometers really become practical :) Aug 28 00:19:17 Dave, Most of the crap constellations were added around the 17th century by sailors, I think (drunken ones, by the looks of them). Aug 28 00:19:20 but yeah that's always been a lingering thought! :) Aug 28 00:19:28 Kenyoung, heh Aug 28 00:20:25 Dave, You gotta admit, Triangulum does look like a triangle. Aug 28 00:20:55 Dave: you've built it on your FR? I just had it displaying on my 1973. Aug 28 00:20:55 yeah :P Aug 28 00:21:08 They didn't give it six sides, of anything. Aug 28 00:21:08 Yep! Aug 28 00:21:20 kenYoung, yeah, pretty remarkable, right? ;) Aug 28 00:21:29 johnsu01: ah well, the odds are better now then :-) Aug 28 00:21:29 There should really be asquarius. Aug 28 00:21:34 har har Aug 28 00:21:37 Dave, the planet names show with the colors of the planets. It wasn't until I added the names that I noticed were Uranus was showing up. Aug 28 00:21:50 yeah :) Aug 28 00:21:56 cool, thanks :) Aug 28 00:22:33 SpeedEvil, I like "Asquarius" Maybe Pegasus could be renamed. Aug 28 00:22:35 johnsu01: have to go, good night/evening Aug 28 00:22:40 hehehe Aug 28 00:22:45 later nyuu Aug 28 00:22:52 bye Dave! Aug 28 00:23:26 see you nyu Aug 28 00:23:29 Dave: it has Categories=GTK;Application;PIM Aug 28 00:23:42 I'm using the new upstream release Aug 28 00:23:47 rather than the FSO modified Aug 28 00:23:52 OH Aug 28 00:23:57 Was it *just* changed, cjb? Aug 28 00:24:00 but the FSO modified used to show up, and the new upstream doesn't Aug 28 00:24:05 OH Aug 28 00:24:06 the new upstream release was just released, yes. Aug 28 00:24:07 yesterday Aug 28 00:24:09 so perhaps the categories changed? Aug 28 00:24:14 or something shifty Aug 28 00:24:16 well, I just pasted them Aug 28 00:24:19 yeah Aug 28 00:24:26 it seems like the desktop file must have changed somehow Aug 28 00:24:36 so I was hoping someone running FSO could show me how Aug 28 00:24:36 one would think so! Aug 28 00:26:40 Kenyoung, I still think the ability to track a particular star or constellation would be cool, since it already moves and updates the sky based on position :) Aug 28 00:27:05 hm, does the FSO milestone 2 not actually start X upon boot usually? Aug 28 00:27:06 because that seems to be the case with me atm, having just reflashed it Aug 28 00:27:13 Dave, I don;t understand. What do you mean by track a star or constellation? Show its path from rise to set? Without moving the other objects? Aug 28 00:27:19 paroneayea, do you have tangogps installed? :P Aug 28 00:27:30 paroneayea: works here Aug 28 00:27:44 Dave: whatever comes on http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Aug 28 00:27:49 heh Aug 28 00:29:24 I still find it utterly hilarious there is no VERSION file, from which the particular branch you are using can be conveniently and quickly identified (by software) Aug 28 00:31:57 Dave Yes! The applications need to be able to identify the model of the phone, and the software stack version. Aug 28 00:31:58 cjb, if you have a moment, I wish to discuss something with you. Aug 28 00:31:58 Or I can direct a bug report towards you. Aug 28 00:31:58 Kenyoung, yeah, unfortunately /etc/version simply holds the birthdate (or what you initially flashed) Aug 28 00:31:58 Dave: little busy, but if you type here I can at least read it later Aug 28 00:31:58 which is not particularly useful Aug 28 00:31:58 since it may not actually represent what you are presently using Aug 28 00:31:58 Dave, yeah, that's a big help. Aug 28 00:31:59 moreover it identifies a version and NOT a distribution Aug 28 00:32:00 :( Aug 28 00:32:11 and there is presently no hashing or any soft of standarized system for that Aug 28 00:32:27 fuck, we don't even have a standardized naming convention for the distributions yet :P Aug 28 00:32:40 we keep changing and making them up arbitrarily while we go :) Aug 28 00:32:46 cjb, okay :) Aug 28 00:33:05 cjb, maybe i'll just write a ticket and post to the ml, for you to read later. Aug 28 00:34:58 sounds good Aug 28 00:34:58 I simply asked for your audience, because I believe it to be an Xglamo related issue, FYI :P Aug 28 00:34:58 and you seemed to be helpful with that previously, and likely familiar with the code surrounding the previous fix for it. Aug 28 00:35:55 Kenyoung, as for "tracking" no, but that actually sounds pretty cool (What you described seem to be more like 'tracing'), I really just wanted to be able to highlight one or more stars or constellations Aug 28 00:36:04 yeah. Dodji (who isn't here) is the current Xglamo maintainer, I think. Aug 28 00:36:22 In a way, I think it'd be a cool way for the amateur user to stargaze and align themselves Aug 28 00:36:29 cjb, alright :) Aug 28 00:36:44 cjb, I hope you don't mind installing some apps and playing some games in order to tackle a bug ;) Aug 28 00:36:47 heehee Aug 28 00:36:57 One sec, let me look into this routing problem Aug 28 00:37:00 Dave, What I plan to do in the short run is allow you to magnify an area by circling it with your finger or a stylus. Aug 28 00:38:38 Dave, I could add more information about the constellations which remain on the display when it is magnified. At least add the formal borders, the greek letter designation of the stars, etc. Aug 28 00:38:41 would there be a big difference between Xglamo and Xfbdev? Aug 28 00:38:57 would Xfbdev work on my FR? Aug 28 00:40:03 KenYoung, sounds great! Aug 28 00:40:03 I like it1 Aug 28 00:40:32 But with your magnification functionality, what will trigger the screen display change (stars/constellations), now? :) Aug 28 00:40:33 double-click? :P Aug 28 00:40:56 Dave, I'm also going to add optional elements, like the ability to download the Messier catalog, or a version of the star catalog going far deeper than the default one. That way the application won;t chew up too much flash space for casual users, but people can add features if they are willing to pay the price in memory size. Aug 28 00:42:33 cool :) Aug 28 00:42:33 right, like tango! Aug 28 00:42:33 cool Aug 28 00:42:33 Dave, I do not intend to have magnification change the screen change. When magnified, you'll still be able to tap the LCD screen to toggle pages. Aug 28 00:42:34 Hey so long as it only occasionally explodes, I'm all for it! ;) Aug 28 00:42:35 hm. what about making the catalog not one file, but a directory of files, and have catalog extension packages that just drop in more files? Aug 28 00:42:35 So magnification will be a separate toggleable function then? Aug 28 00:42:42 Wonka *whee* :) Aug 28 00:42:59 Wonka, That's basically what I plan. The code will scan all the files in one directory, and use what's there, as long as it understands what the file is." Aug 28 00:43:20 interesting, I've run an opkg update/upgrade, and I have a e17 desktop. cool, but underirable. is there an issue with the 2008.8 repository? Aug 28 00:43:29 Wonka, THe menus for places, and the COnstellations already work that way. Aug 28 00:43:39 okay Aug 28 00:43:53 Toaster`: you've read the topic? Aug 28 00:44:13 Scanning on-function/demand or upon application start? Aug 28 00:44:29 I am a big poop when it comes to scanning once upon application launch Aug 28 00:44:37 If someone wants to put in Chinese constellations, they need only make the files, wipe or the constellations directory, and put their new ones in that directory. Same with planet elemets, so we'll be able to add comets when the pass by. Aug 28 00:44:42 especially for large apps or apps which grow in pool size Aug 28 00:44:56 Wonka: I am setup to use zecke's repo, not buildhost Aug 28 00:44:56 Cool! Aug 28 00:46:32 is the data in a format suitable for having comets added? so one could add halley now and see it when it comes back? Aug 28 00:46:32 Dave, When you say "I'm a big poop when it comes to scanning once upon application launch", that means you disapprove, right? What technique do you prefer? Aug 28 00:46:33 right Aug 28 00:46:35 has the gestures app made it into the opkg feeds, or do I need to install it by wgetting the package from googlecode as suggested on the wiki? Aug 28 00:46:55 Well, I'm not sure, were you planning on making this a toggleable change while running the application? Aug 28 00:47:02 or just swapping out the maps totally? Aug 28 00:47:05 or both? Aug 28 00:47:19 do I need to re-flash to get a working current build? is there no working 2008.8 build? Aug 28 00:47:39 For example, if you have maps, which are loaded ON DEMAND, you might as well search for them or load them ON DEMAND, not check once at the beginning and then if you later copy them in, have to restart the app :D Aug 28 00:47:55 (I'm only being a pain about this because this is unfortunately a common way apps are done) Aug 28 00:48:34 some, anyway :| Aug 28 00:48:52 both for mobile and for pc platforms Aug 28 00:48:52 Dave: major comets - like haley - are trivially storable in the comets db. Aug 28 00:49:10 and I can tell you, on PC, when the app has a 2GB memory footprint, it REALLY blows Aug 28 00:49:10 Wonka, Yes you could. The caveat is that the elements files consist of the parameters needed to define an elliptical orbit, and the derivatives of those parameters, and a few extra parameters to handle Jupiter pulling on things. For something like Halley, the accuracy would not be great for many orbits, because it is so strongly perturbed by the outer planets. But is would work for a few hundred years, I imagine. Aug 28 00:49:10 Theri position does not change much per orbit. Aug 28 00:49:28 Speedevil, is your planet in the dB too? :) Aug 28 00:49:56 The difficult ones are aperiodic comets - which essentially need to be enterend as they are discovered. Aug 28 00:49:56 I don't think the freerunner will be around that long, soo, it's all good :P Aug 28 00:49:57 speedevil, and super stealth satellites? :) Aug 28 00:51:29 Many of those have been found by amateurs. Aug 28 00:51:29 It's not especially hard, you can just look for obscurations of stars, or stare at an area of sky. Aug 28 00:51:30 :) Aug 28 00:51:30 so much for secrecy :) Aug 28 00:51:30 * ieatlint is tired Aug 28 00:51:30 Lint Aug 28 00:51:38 Staring at sky, and looking for illuminatred by the sun satellites is easiest. Aug 28 00:51:38 Though there are plausible countermeasures to that. Aug 28 00:51:39 How goes it? Aug 28 00:52:07 Speedevil, are you already plotting? :) Aug 28 00:52:07 Dave: secrecy of the abilities/technology is more important then the fact of a bird having been lofted into which orbit. Aug 28 00:52:47 Dave: no Aug 28 00:53:05 Toaster`: yes, and no. Aug 28 00:53:36 moo Aug 28 00:54:50 Dave, i've been working my ass off on the library... tomorrow i start the UI :) Aug 28 00:54:50 Toaster`: if you can track a spysats orbit, as it is moved to a new tasking, then that gives you info, if it's pointed at you. Aug 28 00:54:51 at present, my library has absolutely 0 memory leakage (although, 2 libraries it relies on do have minor leakage, which tops out at 12k and doesn't grow beyond) Aug 28 00:54:51 Toaster`: It means you can hide when it goes over - to the simplest case. Aug 28 00:54:51 if you have realtime radar to follow it, you are in a position to have your own birds as it is, and you are generally a nation-state. For amateur astromomers, tracking a change in orbit takes a lot longer. Aug 28 00:54:51 Lint, wow :D Aug 28 00:54:51 Lint, acceptable! Aug 28 00:54:51 :) Aug 28 00:54:51 I am impressed. Aug 28 00:55:02 I guess you really are trying to make that impression deadline, for the meeting, huh? ;) Aug 28 00:55:04 Go you! Aug 28 00:55:07 Wish I was more involved :\ Aug 28 00:55:42 regardless, that's off topic, anyone have any advice on how to resurrect my phone to a normal state, without reflashing if possible? Aug 28 00:55:44 hmm. hmm... get a 3m dish and a microwave magnetron... Aug 28 00:56:00 would i be able to seriously disturb a spy satellite? Aug 28 00:56:30 Wonka: doubtful, you'd have to do major damage, they tend to be very redundant, and rad hard Aug 28 00:57:08 How does one back up a 2008.8 addressbook? Aug 28 00:57:11 Wonka: no Aug 28 00:57:38 Dave, I'm crashing. Thanks for your suggestions. Some should be in place by Monday. Please email more ideas as they occur to you. Aug 28 00:57:41 Wonka: you have to get >2KW/m^2 or so incident on the target. Aug 28 00:59:26 Wonka: if you're trying to overheat it with microwaves, you are looking at dish sizes in the tens of kilometers for microwaves. Aug 28 00:59:26 Alright :) Aug 28 00:59:34 :) Aug 28 00:59:54 Lasers are the only practical option - and then you need huge mirrors too. Aug 28 01:00:31 Not to mention many Kw lasers. Aug 28 01:00:36 SpeedEvil: plus cope with bloooming, atmospheric distortion, energy supply, etc Aug 28 01:01:18 * dingman looks around to confirm this is #openmoko and not #high-energy-physics Aug 28 01:01:30 dingman: sorry, we got off topic Aug 28 01:01:35 ;) Aug 28 01:01:42 How does one back up a 2008.8 addressbook? Aug 28 01:02:09 I'm not having anything jump out as an obvious addressbook file Aug 28 01:02:43 2008.8 uses the Qtopia address app? Aug 28 01:02:52 I believe so Aug 28 01:02:57 Toaster`: you can save your contacts to the SIM (at least, there's an optionf or it... dunno if it works) Aug 28 01:03:04 anyone get gestures working on 2008.8? Aug 28 01:03:04 should be a sqlite db afaik Aug 28 01:03:30 Toaster`: lasers aren't high energy. Aug 28 01:03:32 roh :) Aug 28 01:03:35 search the ml wiki for scripts which do backups/sync.. should be noted somewhere in the wiki Aug 28 01:04:08 SpeedEvil: I didn't say they were. I was responding to dingman Aug 28 01:04:44 SpeedEvil, and I was just teasing you anyway. Aug 28 01:04:46 SpeedEvil: I prefer multi-stage interceptors anyways. Aug 28 01:04:54 Dave, Ooops - what I said about directories being scanned for objects was correct for constellations, but wrong for planets. I have an explicit list of the planets compiled into the code. I should change that. Aug 28 01:05:12 Oh, hello again :) Aug 28 01:05:25 yeah, it might be a good idea :) Aug 28 01:05:29 Thanks for telling me, Ken :) Aug 28 01:05:38 arrgh. how do I make Today's clock display localized time? Aug 28 01:05:43 * SpeedEvil packs a large bag of ball-bearings into a sounding rocket. Aug 28 01:05:54 uh oh Aug 28 01:05:58 Dave, I'm bailing again. I just didn't want to leave the wrong info in the channel. Aug 28 01:06:01 Wonka, haha see that too? Aug 28 01:06:07 Thanks so much, Ken! Aug 28 01:06:08 it's 3:05 (wall clock and `date`) and it displays 2:05 Aug 28 01:06:10 Take care :) Aug 28 01:06:17 Dave, You too. Aug 28 01:06:24 Kensan: night. Aug 28 01:06:25 Wonka, be glad yours isn't nine hours off! Aug 28 01:06:27 root@om-gta02:~# date Aug 28 01:06:27 Thu Aug 28 03:02:56 CEST 2008 Aug 28 01:06:46 uggh, I'd submit a bugreport for it now, including the fix Aug 28 01:06:53 2:06 is right for BST. Aug 28 01:06:54 if I wasn't so busy setting up my new systems Aug 28 01:06:57 Just move. Aug 28 01:07:02 Bull Shit Time Aug 28 01:07:04 :P Aug 28 01:07:06 as if Aug 28 01:07:15 BS Standard Time :P Aug 28 01:07:20 essentially Aug 28 01:07:25 since we don't live in the ocean Aug 28 01:07:26 2:06 is neither UTC nor CEST Aug 28 01:08:20 ah, "hwclock -w" helped Aug 28 01:08:46 at least hwclock does display the correct time now Aug 28 01:09:23 how do I kill the keyboard widget, as in what is the app name for killall or top? Aug 28 01:09:54 Toaster`: tried pkill? Aug 28 01:10:32 Toaster`: and top does exist too... at least in my image Aug 28 01:10:33 Wonka, I think he wants to know what argument to give pkill Aug 28 01:10:35 hm. hwclock --utc displays 5:08, which is several hours off Aug 28 01:10:45 dingman: spot on :) Aug 28 01:10:48 heehee, yep Aug 28 01:10:53 Toaster, euro, heehe Aug 28 01:11:01 Toaster`, too bad I dont have an actual answer for you. Aug 28 01:11:04 does anyone have gestures working on 2008.8? I installed it and it doesn't do anything Aug 28 01:11:07 hwclock -l displays 3:08 which is correct Aug 28 01:11:11 I think my accelerometer doesn't work Aug 28 01:11:12 *sigh* Aug 28 01:11:16 hunting the addressbook file, though Aug 28 01:11:23 God, I wish I understood this system. Aug 28 01:11:28 Yanroy: tried running rotate? Aug 28 01:11:29 Dave: Me? Nope, Canuck, I just work with a lot of Brits Aug 28 01:11:33 the hexdump thing mentioned on the wiki hangs when I try to access the top accelerometer Aug 28 01:11:35 anyway. it's late. gotta go to bed. Aug 28 01:11:36 It powers on, but doesn't POST. uggh Aug 28 01:11:41 cjb: no? what's that Aug 28 01:11:45 Yanroy: oh, that's just a locking bug. Aug 28 01:11:48 Toaster, ahaha, okay :) Aug 28 01:11:53 Yanroy: it'll work if you do it without X running. Aug 28 01:11:59 Dave, My employer has a fine lineup of Linux courses :) Aug 28 01:12:09 rotate's a minimal program I wrote to rotate the screen based on accel position Aug 28 01:12:10 Excellent! Aug 28 01:12:19 cjb: so that's not whats wrong with the gestures app? or is it the cause? Aug 28 01:12:20 cjb :) Aug 28 01:12:22 it's fun Aug 28 01:12:30 Yanroy: I think it's unrelated Aug 28 01:12:43 cjb: where can I get this rotate program? Aug 28 01:12:58 cjb: I installed gestures primarily to get the screen rotation functionality Aug 28 01:13:05 Yanroy: dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rotate Aug 28 01:13:12 (OM binary) Aug 28 01:13:17 but I wanted to play with it too... it doesn't seem to give any info as to what its doing so I can debug it Aug 28 01:13:29 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001336.html Aug 28 01:13:35 gives more info on rotate Aug 28 01:16:21 isn't cjb awesome? ;) Aug 28 01:17:01 I should work on it some more, but I dunno if anyone's going to use it. I'd like it if the distros picked it up. Aug 28 01:17:09 is there a reason why resolv.conf gets wiped out on boot? would it really be that hard for it to stay? Aug 28 01:17:13 in particular, I wanna do the stuff described in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001357.html Aug 28 01:18:53 sweetness... it works Aug 28 01:19:00 so now why doesn't gestures work? :P Aug 28 01:19:14 cjb: how does rotate cope with being suspended? Aug 28 01:19:24 can I add it to my startup scripts without a problem so that its always on? Aug 28 01:19:27 at least until gestures is working? Aug 28 01:19:28 Yanroy: dunno. you mean CPU suspend, or control-z? Aug 28 01:19:36 :) Aug 28 01:19:40 I think it copes, you can tell me if it doesn't Aug 28 01:19:50 it's fun Aug 28 01:20:07 cjb: cpu Aug 28 01:20:22 not sure I've tried it :) Aug 28 01:20:32 also, some apps (notably the terminal) don't play well with horizontal mode... Aug 28 01:20:46 cjb: how do you get decent battery life without suspend? Aug 28 01:21:06 You don't. Aug 28 01:21:12 * cjb doesn't. :) Aug 28 01:21:59 * Toaster` wonders why pulseaudio runs at ~10% CPU at all times... Aug 28 01:22:20 ok, so I guess I can't use this rotate thing after all... the keyboard gets destroyed when you switch to landscape and doesn't recover :( Aug 28 01:22:25 Yanroy: clocking down will (in principle) give >20h Aug 28 01:22:30 Toaster`: there was a ML post about that a while ago, IIRC Aug 28 01:22:50 SpeedEvil: I've been getting about that using the normal suspend thing built into 2007.2 and 2008.8 Aug 28 01:28:24 woot Aug 28 01:28:37 top Aug 28 01:37:42 hmm... Aug 28 01:38:16 about to install Debian on the 1973. But there's a bit of a disclaimer here about trying on the 1973 at your own risk Aug 28 01:38:37 us 1973 users don't get no respect ;p Aug 28 01:39:17 do to get no respect Aug 28 01:39:32 GOSH Aug 28 01:39:48 gosh? Aug 28 01:40:17 like dangit man Aug 28 01:40:21 uknow Aug 28 01:40:26 like.. whatever! Aug 28 01:40:27 :) Aug 28 01:40:27 wathell Aug 28 01:40:38 orly Aug 28 01:40:59 no im not calling u names or anything:) Aug 28 01:41:03 wtf? Aug 28 01:41:11 how do I kill the keyboard widget, as in what is the app name to give to killall or top? Aug 28 01:41:32 tyea Aug 28 01:43:30 yay! keyboard! Aug 28 01:44:29 raster: well, the keyboard is locked hiding your rather awesome e17 desktop, meaning I can't see anything, nor figure out how to salvage my phone in short order :) Aug 28 01:44:48 ??? Aug 28 01:44:55 ?? Aug 28 01:45:02 its filling the screen? Aug 28 01:45:13 ugh Aug 28 01:45:19 i am SO going to have to start doin g my own images Aug 28 01:45:29 bear down Aug 28 01:45:33 this whole keyboiard fso, asu, and ther gazillion feeds.versions of asu is driving me nuts Aug 28 01:45:34 raster Aug 28 01:46:07 short version: I updated 2008.8 using zecke, and now I boot to an e17 desktop, with the keyboard widget locked out, covering the top third of the screen. Aug 28 01:46:20 i took fso off this morning an put 2008.8updated back on Aug 28 01:46:40 what keyboard is that? Aug 28 01:46:42 qpe's? Aug 28 01:46:52 I need to kill it so I can backup my contacts to the SIM and re-flash Aug 28 01:47:05 the base 2008.8 kbd Aug 28 01:48:41 Raster! Aug 28 01:48:57 Raster, yeah isn't it driving you crazy yet? :) Aug 28 01:49:04 asu fso, asu2, bbq Aug 28 01:49:54 rrrrRRRRAAAASSSSTeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Aug 28 01:50:19 Toaster`: which one is it? Aug 28 01:50:19 im sorry daves right its too much Aug 28 01:50:22 try kill qpe Aug 28 01:50:30 but killing qpe wil lkill al the qtopia phone functionality Aug 28 01:50:52 raster: `killall qpe` seg faults e17 Aug 28 01:50:59 no Aug 28 01:51:02 read carefully Aug 28 01:51:10 zecke borrowed my white box of death code Aug 28 01:51:14 it LOOKS the same Aug 28 01:51:22 but it says something different Aug 28 01:51:22 :) Aug 28 01:51:45 raster: ahh, sorry Aug 28 01:53:14 exit qpe Aug 28 01:53:15 Wacky. Aug 28 01:53:16 is the kbd gone? Aug 28 01:53:25 You expect users to _read_ error messages? Aug 28 01:53:48 god no Aug 28 01:54:09 raster: yeah, I'm just trying to see if the contacts program starts up Aug 28 01:54:14 why do u think the "white box of death" doesn thave anythintg other than "i segv's - restart me or exit me" Aug 28 01:54:20 so simple they can barely get it wrong Aug 28 01:54:32 i mean.. like if u put backtraces and stack and register dumps.. Aug 28 01:54:35 they'd just ignore the box Aug 28 01:54:35 :) Aug 28 01:54:41 Toaster`: it wont Aug 28 01:54:41 ShellEvil: I ran e17 at home for quite some time, and the 'white box of death' has a defult reaction in my brain :) Aug 28 01:54:51 to hahahahah Aug 28 01:55:12 raster: so it seems, so I'm pretty much buggered then.., Aug 28 01:55:21 Toaster`: hmmmm Aug 28 01:55:27 fuck Aug 28 01:55:36 i need to do an image of my own Aug 28 01:55:43 soooo need to Aug 28 01:55:45 Anyone know how to backup/dump-to-SIM the addressbook then? Aug 28 01:55:47 one that is "nice" Aug 28 01:55:54 soo DOIT Aug 28 01:55:58 Toaster`: the addressbook is a mysql database Aug 28 01:56:15 slaxxin: well i'm busy repling to millions of keyboard mails! Aug 28 01:56:17 ;) Aug 28 01:56:21 and writign more of my own Aug 28 01:56:35 stop chaseing loose ends Aug 28 01:57:07 thats what is frustrating me Aug 28 01:57:22 we are waiting Aug 28 01:58:37 we need more raster keyboards Aug 28 01:58:50 please include raster's awesome keyboard in all images Aug 28 01:59:37 Dave: what about the vector keyboard options? it might scale better. (I'll show myself out, it's ok) Aug 28 02:01:11 * Toaster` worries he killed the channel... Aug 28 02:02:04 Raster 4 prez! Aug 28 02:02:10 so I noticed the latest update to ASU lets the wifi screen under settings actually do stuff Aug 28 02:02:20 Well, he is and forever shall be, the Keyboard King, anyway :) Aug 28 02:02:25 I clicked on my home network and put in the password... I can't tell if it connected successfully. Aug 28 02:02:35 I don't have an IP, I know that much Aug 28 02:02:40 does wifi work in ASU? Aug 28 02:02:59 I tried running udhcpc eth0 and it just says "sending discover" forever Aug 28 02:03:27 heh.. u wont get far with udhcpc IME Aug 28 02:03:43 Yanroy, mine isn't ASU, but I find I often have to run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" from the terminal after I set up wifi in the GUI Aug 28 02:03:46 Yanroy: What does iwconfig say? (I find wifi sometimes work for me under ASU if I use lint-wifi) Aug 28 02:04:45 :P Aug 28 02:05:03 stevenSn: it mentions my SSID, but says encryption key is off (I use WPA, so I assume that's wrong) Aug 28 02:06:39 If you run wpa_cli does it say anything about trying to connect Aug 28 02:06:41 wah wah Aug 28 02:06:47 wpasupplicant ftw? Aug 28 02:07:24 I don't seem to have a wpasupplicant.conf Aug 28 02:07:30 rut roh Aug 28 02:07:41 I would have expected the GUI to create one when I put in the password... what was it doing if it wasn't doing that/ Aug 28 02:11:11 anyone know where I can find the code for the wifi thing in the settings screen? Aug 28 02:11:34 anyone know if the x server on the fr can accept or be told to accept connections over the usb network connection? Aug 28 02:11:50 ok... Aug 28 02:11:50 Yanroy: It's called conman Aug 28 02:11:51 today... Aug 28 02:11:56 i will start my oen image. Aug 28 02:12:02 actually Aug 28 02:12:07 i should finish off my connman gadget Aug 28 02:12:24 AntonTakk: I've done X forwarding over SSH using USB Aug 28 02:12:32 AntonTakk, looks like it listens on port 6000 to all IPs. Aug 28 02:12:46 Yanroy's way is better Aug 28 02:23:03 lq lq lq Aug 28 02:23:16 raster, cute Aug 28 02:25:53 ok, first, gonna need vim if i'm gonna do any serious coding Aug 28 02:26:25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211065 Aug 28 02:26:30 holy damn, that's cheap Aug 28 02:26:35 I might need to get one of those.. Aug 28 02:26:36 AntonTakk: if you come up with vim (or better yet, gvim) for FR, plz let me know :) Aug 28 02:27:01 Yanroy: opkg install vim in mwester's fso images Aug 28 02:27:20 paroneayea: I picked up 3 of those (not same brand, but same size) on woot for that price a few weeks ago... very useful Aug 28 02:27:28 AntonTakk: I'm using ASU Aug 28 02:27:49 Yanroy: not a bad idea Aug 28 02:28:06 give it a try anyways, what's the worst that happens? it can't find it? Aug 28 02:28:35 AntonTakk: I'll give it a try... I know it didn't work on 2007.2 Aug 28 02:30:57 it works on 2008.8updated Aug 28 02:31:49 is it that much better than vi? Aug 28 02:32:15 night and day Aug 28 02:32:34 i remember all that messing things up Aug 28 02:32:47 I think about 80% of the commands I use on a daily basis have "not available in vi" written next to them in the help file :) Aug 28 02:33:53 hmm... doens't udhcpc create a resolv.conf? Aug 28 02:33:58 I think my wifi is working... Aug 28 02:34:17 I followed the one-line direction on the wiki for 2008.8 and the GUI seems to have set up my connection (including IP address) Aug 28 02:34:19 but no DNS Aug 28 02:35:35 so look an see if theres a public address in /etc/resolv.conf Aug 28 02:36:11 it is supposed to be public right? Aug 28 02:36:29 slaxxin: there's nothing in resolv.conf... that's why I asked if udhcpc is supposed to put something in it Aug 28 02:36:39 I'm definately on the network... I can ping the other machines in my house by IP Aug 28 02:36:51 Hello slaxxin :) Aug 28 02:36:52 (interestingly, the ping time varies between 34ms and 2 seconds) Aug 28 02:36:56 How is your noobishness this evening? :) Aug 28 02:37:04 Yanroy, crazy! Aug 28 02:37:22 it says on the wiki (i think) that by default it comes with nothing Aug 28 02:37:28 :P Aug 28 02:38:33 slaxxin: yes, every reboot the resolv.conf gets wiped (stupid) Aug 28 02:38:40 not you stupid, stupid resolv.conf Aug 28 02:39:17 *sigh* so I ran udhcpc manually and it added DNS entries... then I needed to shut down usb0 and I'm golden Aug 28 02:39:21 * Yanroy updates the wiki Aug 28 02:39:44 Yanroy you can change that, you know. Aug 28 02:40:43 wow Aug 28 02:40:53 why the hell is mysql-common being installed onto here Aug 28 02:40:59 heh Aug 28 02:41:00 (default debian openmoko install) Aug 28 02:41:02 surprise! Aug 28 02:41:16 so u shut down usb to get wifi working is that right? Aug 28 02:41:21 yes Aug 28 02:41:30 it's a routing issue Aug 28 02:41:39 oooooooo nos Aug 28 02:41:42 if you look at the route table, they're on the same subnet (default) Aug 28 02:41:52 so it can't guess where to send the packets Aug 28 02:42:00 so it gets confused, and nothing gets accomplished :P Aug 28 02:42:49 oh, and don't be a dolt and run two instances of udhcpc Aug 28 02:43:10 anything where to things battle for resources or an interface is just stupid :) Aug 28 02:43:37 Dave: when you said "you can change that", did you mean something about having to run udhcpc manually? Aug 28 02:43:58 I figure the GUI setup thing ran it, since I had an IP address and could ping stuff on my network, but I had to run it manually to get the DNS entries Aug 28 02:46:09 no I mean you can prevent your resolv.conf from being wiped Aug 28 02:46:24 more accurately, you can have it write the same thing to your resolv.conf file on startup, silly Aug 28 02:46:45 Dave: what if I just want it to leave it alone? why does it get touched on startup at all? Aug 28 02:46:55 edit the /etc/network/interfaces file Aug 28 02:47:17 You'll see :) Aug 28 02:48:00 hmm Aug 28 02:48:16 btw, is the predictive keyboard gone in the latest ASU update? it doesn't seem to be predicting anymore :( Aug 28 02:48:37 you can switch inputs, as far as I know Aug 28 02:49:07 there's an icon on the left side of the keyboard that I have no idea what it means Aug 28 02:49:14 doesn't seem to do anything when I click it Aug 28 02:49:24 looks like 2 columns of text or something Aug 28 02:50:39 * Yanroy curses his lost stylus Aug 28 02:50:46 * Yanroy goes outside to play with tangoGPS Aug 28 02:51:32 yay :) Aug 28 02:54:47 speaking of stylus... Aug 28 02:54:56 is it possible to have the FSO stack store contacts/etc on the filesystem instead of on the SIM card? Aug 28 02:55:11 thinking of getting one that's smaller than this big ol' one that came with it... anyone have any suggestions? Aug 28 02:55:15 pabs3: last I checked and looked at the source, no Aug 28 02:55:25 Aww Aug 28 02:55:36 pabs3: and that was a couple days ago Aug 28 02:55:47 johnsu01: ok :( Aug 28 02:57:02 anyone know if openmoko/fic are considering external slots for SIM and SD cards? Aug 28 02:57:45 pabs3: you already have an SD card slot... just that it's microsd ;) Aug 28 02:58:15 paroneayea: sure, but you need to open the case to get at it Aug 28 02:58:16 pabs3: i'm starting to work on an improved contacts app for fso, but it's still very early (the app title is still "Edje Demo" ;) Aug 28 02:58:35 AntonTakk: awesome! Aug 28 02:58:39 Yeah, it's silliness. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 28 02:59:56 2008