**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 05 02:59:56 2008 Sep 05 03:09:08 I have added the fllowing to my fstab but get error "unknown filesystem nfs" this is on 208.8-updated what package do I need ? Sep 05 03:09:13 192.168.0.101:/media/Music /mnt/music-archive nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr Sep 05 03:09:57 have you got nfs module? Sep 05 03:10:12 SpeedEvil, apparently not Sep 05 03:10:34 is that a package or an actual module Sep 05 03:15:05 SpeedEvil, is that http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/kernel-module-nfsd_2.6.24+git55+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2_om-gta02.ipk ? Sep 05 03:17:18 don't know. Sep 05 03:17:22 Sounds plausible. Sep 05 03:18:10 anyone actually get dfu-util output like is listed on the wiki dfu-util page? Sep 05 03:18:14 with --list showing multiple lines for the moko, one per NAND partition? Sep 05 03:20:16 openmoko: 03charlie137 * r1d13b889cbee 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp addressbook.h): [addressbook] Shows a warning if we try to add a contact when an other contact has the same name. Sep 05 03:22:00 I'm not sure if this has been disusse dbefore, but why is the fr using non standard headphone plug ? and what are the specifications so that I can get an addapter Sep 05 03:22:13 hipitihop: on the wiki - it's not non-standard Sep 05 03:22:20 hipitihop: it's as used on many phones Sep 05 03:22:27 for the mic in the headset Sep 05 03:23:22 hey hey hey Sep 05 03:23:24 guess what Sep 05 03:23:25 SpeedEvil, I see and understand. I assume I can get an ssimple adapter to 3.5mm stereo audio Sep 05 03:23:27 cool story Sep 05 03:23:32 i went to best buy Sep 05 03:23:43 and one of the employees in the cell phone departmenet recognized my phone Sep 05 03:25:32 hipitihop: very cheaply on ebay Sep 05 03:25:40 rooly: woo! no one ever knows wtf my phone is :) Sep 05 03:25:58 i've found 4 people so far Sep 05 03:26:01 1 from best buy Sep 05 03:26:11 and 3 from my school's CS department Sep 05 03:26:19 anyone got a phone handy and able to put it in dfu mode long enough to do a 'dfu-util --list' for me? Sep 05 03:26:29 * pjz wants to see if he's insane or what. Sep 05 03:26:34 pjz, isn't that cooler then "yeh yeh, everyone has one of those" Sep 05 03:26:54 Yeah, you get the one guy who knows what a FreeRunner or Neo1973 is Sep 05 03:27:03 And usually that one guy wants or owns one himself Sep 05 03:27:09 i'm not sure but i think i'm still the only one who has one in the state of louisiana Sep 05 03:27:24 There should be some specific protocols available exclusively to FreeRunner owners or something Sep 05 03:27:24 :P Sep 05 03:27:50 FxChiP: there's some kind of friend locator thingy for the gps, isn't there? Sep 05 03:27:59 tango Sep 05 03:28:08 but that also works on standard linux and eeepc Sep 05 03:28:21 oh? I've never run tango on one of those Sep 05 03:28:28 me neither Sep 05 03:28:29 * pjz has no gps other than his openmoko Sep 05 03:28:32 but that's not the point Sep 05 03:36:19 yea the girl at at&t store had already changed 1 sim for somebody headed to dallas from up north an had already seen 1 Sep 05 03:36:53 huh Sep 05 03:37:10 i was like wow i thiught i was the only one in arkansas with an openmoko Sep 05 03:38:47 has anyone got the phone to actually ring using the newest qtopia snapshot? Sep 05 03:39:32 not i said the dog. i've been sticking to the tried and true om2007 Sep 05 03:45:08 yes Sep 05 03:45:22 yours does not ring when a call comes in? Sep 05 03:45:34 lpotter: nope, it just vibrates Sep 05 03:45:50 just did a fresh reflash of it to be sure I didn't mess with anything Sep 05 03:46:03 Staticwave_Ace: did you check how hte default profile is set? Sep 05 03:46:24 pjz: profile "General" is set Sep 05 03:48:18 sound problem arises again Sep 05 03:48:30 an thats a problem Sep 05 03:48:42 sound is kinda important Sep 05 03:48:51 heh.. works fine here Sep 05 03:49:12 steps taken, "nand erase kernel, nand erase rootfs" Sep 05 03:49:13 ace is it after suspend? Sep 05 03:49:14 * pjz had to go in and tweak up the volulme Sep 05 03:49:25 update to latest daily uboot, and qtopia snapshot Sep 05 03:49:35 4.3.3? Sep 05 03:49:46 slaxxin: its been plugged in since I updated, so I don't believe its suspended yet Sep 05 03:49:55 qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz Sep 05 03:51:09 pjz: to even get it to ring? Sep 05 03:52:35 Staticwave_Ace: no, just to be able to hear the person on the other end of the call Sep 05 03:52:39 ah Sep 05 03:52:54 I saw a post about that, I did do that in the previous install Sep 05 03:53:06 but I've just noticed it doesn't ring Sep 05 03:53:10 which is kinda important Sep 05 03:53:14 Staticwave_Ace: they were all but inaudible; I had to tweak the 'Speaker Playback Volume' up to 127 from 100 Sep 05 03:55:45 woo Sep 05 03:55:54 found the instructions for the handwriting recognition Sep 05 03:55:59 that is *hard* to find Sep 05 03:57:11 openmoko: 03charlie137 * ra55919651c04 10/src/applications/addressbook/addressbook.cpp: [addressbook] Don't show the group SetRingTone action in the menu. Sep 05 03:58:22 whats the path? Sep 05 03:58:31 http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html Sep 05 03:58:39 its not exactly comprehensive Sep 05 03:59:10 but its better than the none I had before Sep 05 03:59:21 now I just have to unlearn grafitti Sep 05 03:59:31 anyone know how to set up the testing feed for fso? Sep 05 04:00:15 http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ Sep 05 04:00:36 all the standard-named repos are there Sep 05 04:01:26 Staticwave_Ace: so I nuke all the other feeds in my /etc/opkg dir and add those? Sep 05 04:01:33 yup Sep 05 04:02:28 u got wifi working? Sep 05 04:02:44 2007.2 and 2008.8 worked somewhat Sep 05 04:02:46 sometimes Sep 05 04:02:56 didn't work with my wrt54g though Sep 05 04:03:02 pending bug on that one Sep 05 04:03:13 i mean qtopia? Sep 05 04:03:15 saw something on the devel list about a reimplemented wifi driver Sep 05 04:03:39 slaxxin: no point with no useable web programs Sep 05 04:04:30 Staticwave_Ace: so I have to add all the subdirs (all, armv4t, neo1973, etc) separately? Sep 05 04:04:46 other bugs: qtopia won't shutdown the phone, the unlock PIN dialog is infuriating Sep 05 04:05:00 pjz: single file, or all in one works the same way Sep 05 04:05:48 Staticwave_Ace: okay, and if I've got a gta02, do I need the neo1973 and gta01 feeds? Sep 05 04:06:20 I don't believe so Sep 05 04:06:37 I always try to reproduce the repos that were originally there Sep 05 04:06:46 and there is a neo one Sep 05 04:08:21 hrm, now opkg segfaults if I try and 'opkg upgrade' Sep 05 04:08:33 pjz: what base install are you using? Sep 05 04:08:36 http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23 Sep 05 04:08:41 say hello to my new theme Sep 05 04:08:45 tee hee Sep 05 04:08:55 i hate mac people sometimes, so i'm gonna blow their mnd Sep 05 04:08:56 meh Sep 05 04:08:57 *mind Sep 05 04:09:02 too much eye candy Sep 05 04:09:04 Staticwave_Ace: fso m2 Sep 05 04:09:17 i agree, Staticwave_Ace, but it's for the peoople around me Sep 05 04:09:23 to see the look on their face Sep 05 04:09:31 pjz: well there are fso-testing images at http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/ Sep 05 04:10:02 oookay, did a shutdown now on qtopia and now I can't ssh Sep 05 04:10:05 but its still on Sep 05 04:10:39 and "shutdown device" does nothing Sep 05 04:10:41 lovely Sep 05 04:11:39 Staticwave_Ace: you want 'shutdown -h no w' Sep 05 04:11:47 Staticwave_Ace: er, no space between no and w Sep 05 04:11:51 yeah Sep 05 04:11:52 Staticwave_Ace: shutdown -h now Sep 05 04:12:00 but what's interesting is qtopia won't shutdown the phone Sep 05 04:12:18 * pjz must be running 4.3.2, has none of these problems Sep 05 04:12:30 * rooly must be using om2007 Sep 05 04:12:39 he doesn't have any of these problems either Sep 05 04:12:59 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rbbccdc8aa666 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [illume-config] remove unused illume-config-asu form task-openmoko-asu.bb Sep 05 04:12:59 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d20e6d3c146 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Sep 05 04:15:24 and reboot Sep 05 04:15:26 and now it works Sep 05 04:15:29 *sigh* Sep 05 04:24:48 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 Sep 05 04:25:02 interesting. qtopai seems to usb-network-xfer around 1.5-2x as fast as fsom2 Sep 05 04:26:50 trolltech should put pyqt on their qtopia distro Sep 05 04:27:20 why? Sep 05 04:27:50 so folk can more easily write apps for it Sep 05 04:28:06 qt and qtopia are easy enough Sep 05 04:28:55 lpotter: pyqt doesn't need a toolchain Sep 05 04:28:59 you can just write and run Sep 05 04:29:19 and it uses more memory and resources as well Sep 05 04:29:47 perl can do the same as python Sep 05 04:30:50 besides, they would not be integrated into qtopia, unless someone write some qtopia bindings as well Sep 05 04:32:49 well I agree it does take more resources, and that perl can do the same thing Sep 05 04:32:59 people love python for some reason Sep 05 04:33:05 * FxChiP loves Python Sep 05 04:33:15 same reason why people loved perl ages ago... Sep 05 04:33:28 Python's a fun language Sep 05 04:33:35 And stuff makes sense in it Sep 05 04:33:39 i owuld beg to differ.. Sep 05 04:34:03 Just as I would about Perl Sep 05 04:34:07 python needs to ignore white space Sep 05 04:34:12 Which is can be really weird sometimes. Sep 05 04:34:15 Also, no, Python does not Sep 05 04:34:20 yep Sep 05 04:34:25 :) Sep 05 04:34:37 Python's enforcement of whitespace = holy shit I can read peoples' code *GASP* Sep 05 04:35:00 Such a new concept, being able to read cod Sep 05 04:35:02 code* Sep 05 04:35:04 :/ Sep 05 04:35:26 thats just silly Sep 05 04:35:34 14:03 < lpotter> same reason why people loved perl ages ago... Sep 05 04:35:39 whys that? :) Sep 05 04:35:41 no Sep 05 04:35:47 what's silly is that no one seems to write readable perl Sep 05 04:35:48 yes, white space enforcement BAD Sep 05 04:36:13 i didnt say perl was good... Sep 05 04:36:18 piscomancy! Sep 05 04:36:22 (reading cod) Sep 05 04:36:25 there's a reason I switched to c++ Sep 05 04:36:29 (haha) Sep 05 04:36:33 lpotter: no you didnt. Sep 05 04:36:36 * kgoetz didnt say you did Sep 05 04:37:02 How is white space enforcement bad? Sep 05 04:37:21 kgoetz: i dont have anything against perl. :) Sep 05 04:37:30 FxChiP: because I grew up on C Sep 05 04:37:33 its quite like c++ syntax Sep 05 04:37:45 lpotter: i was just wondering what that reason people liked them was Sep 05 04:37:47 as did I Sep 05 04:38:02 kgoetz: because its new and popular Sep 05 04:38:07 C and PHP, mainly Sep 05 04:38:09 lpotter: ah. nod. Sep 05 04:39:01 I am just comparing the enthusiasm around pythin is the same is it was around perl Sep 05 04:39:34 Tcl never had such a following for such a reason :/ Sep 05 04:39:34 sure.. you can do gui stuff.. but ...why? Sep 05 04:51:17 wow, nice data corruption writing to SD Sep 05 04:52:34 er, microSD I guess Sep 05 04:53:06 Dave, ping Sep 05 05:21:25 hi all Sep 05 05:22:03 in the absense of buildhost, what should we use? Sep 05 05:22:40 or are all systems that id update of buildhost now re-image jobs? Sep 05 05:41:58 is the USB port 1.5mbits/second or 12mbits/second ? Sep 05 05:42:26 depends on what u connect to it and what it negotiayes Sep 05 05:44:19 OK. So it is capable of 12mbits/second then? Sep 05 05:44:53 I have a Nokia phone that can only do the slower USB speed of 1.5mbits/second. Sep 05 05:45:15 thats all it decides to do Sep 05 05:45:51 yuppes Sep 05 05:45:53 yuppers Sep 05 05:46:52 the usb device negotiates what speed it wants Sep 05 05:46:56 UP to a certain speed Sep 05 05:47:06 my OM2008.8 build was failed today, let me know anyone got succeeded. Sep 05 05:47:08 eg usb1.1 can negotiate up to 12mbit Sep 05 05:56:34 hello Sep 05 05:56:50 hello moko Sep 05 05:56:57 ok Sep 05 05:56:59 that was bad Sep 05 05:57:06 wow Sep 05 05:57:19 if only the ringtone was configurable, i would so put that Sep 05 05:57:37 The ringtones are quite configurable in qtopia Sep 05 05:57:37 moin guys Sep 05 05:57:39 can you suggest the latest recommended kernel/rootfs for neo1973? Sep 05 05:57:56 i've a 20080430(-r0) flashed Sep 05 05:59:18 so Sep 05 05:59:23 rooly|away: male or female voice? record it, switch .wav files... and you have it :) Sep 05 05:59:41 male...kinda like the one on the motorola Sep 05 05:59:49 crop that out Sep 05 05:59:52 it would be so awesome Sep 05 06:00:11 btw, i've finished my TC of gnome to a more 'mac' like appearance Sep 05 06:00:33 http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/Lin2Mac.png Sep 05 06:02:11 what is it with people and mimicking macs Sep 05 06:02:13 ? Sep 05 06:02:16 why no0t just buy one? Sep 05 06:02:20 and use osx? Sep 05 06:02:34 hmm...i think this answer will sum it up Sep 05 06:02:41 for me, it is several reasons Sep 05 06:02:46 #1, i hate apple products Sep 05 06:02:58 osx is a fine OS, but it's the priniciple that counts Sep 05 06:03:20 * raster wonders where imagination and originality have gone Sep 05 06:03:28 #2, i use linux, which far to many people say is "not ready for the desktop/laptop" Sep 05 06:03:53 thats bullpoo Sep 05 06:04:01 its been ready for ages Sep 05 06:04:04 its just different Sep 05 06:04:05 it's not ready for the desktop Sep 05 06:04:06 #3, i'm just showing off the superiority of my 'not-ready-os' in it's ability to not only mimic but surpass other prime-time os's Sep 05 06:04:19 harnir: tell that to my desktop for the past decade Sep 05 06:04:19 but it's ready for the mobile phones! ;) Sep 05 06:04:39 (using Linux on my desktop since 2001) Sep 05 06:04:42 ro at least.. have an original look! Sep 05 06:05:13 it's only temporary Sep 05 06:05:23 i did it to vista too Sep 05 06:05:50 in my quite crappy laptop using compiz, i achieved everything in vista except the fading icons in the start menu Sep 05 06:06:04 does that count as original? http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5278/200809050804581280x1024oq5.png Sep 05 06:06:52 "[08:05:49] in my quite crappy laptop using compiz, i achieved everything in vista except the fading icons in the start menu" but as OS is not only about (or being ready when) having the best effects and most stylish icons :> Sep 05 06:07:41 your right, neldoreth. it should also be stable and standardized to a fair degree with other os's in the market Sep 05 06:08:15 notice how that discludes any version of windows except 3.11 and 2000 Sep 05 06:08:31 and most versions of mac Sep 05 06:08:33 i guess this channel is not for the openmoko phones.. ok Sep 05 06:09:02 it's a chat room man Sep 05 06:09:05 chill out Sep 05 06:09:17 berkus: it is but that doesnt say that youre not allowed to talk about anything else? Sep 05 06:09:30 waow. Sep 05 06:09:43 coffee time Sep 05 06:10:40 another thing, neldoreth, most people (not all) equate visual quality of an OS with it's overall quality Sep 05 06:10:55 http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-02.png Sep 05 06:11:10 at least its not trying to look like vista or osx... :) Sep 05 06:11:12 WHAT Sep 05 06:11:14 which, altho being a very bad method of rating, is probably one of the main reasons that om2008 is used now Sep 05 06:11:36 raster Sep 05 06:11:38 is that e17 Sep 05 06:11:38 ? Sep 05 06:11:41 yup Sep 05 06:11:42 raster: like i said, this is temporary Sep 05 06:11:44 raster Sep 05 06:11:46 is it effing done yet? Sep 05 06:11:52 it's just to piss of some mac fanboys Sep 05 06:12:00 no software is ever done Sep 05 06:12:00 :) Sep 05 06:12:04 but its stable and works Sep 05 06:12:14 things still left to do fore release Sep 05 06:12:15 lol. yeah, "finished" software is obsolete Sep 05 06:12:15 being done Sep 05 06:12:17 emerge e17 Sep 05 06:12:30 "finished" software is what many refer to as "unmaintain4ed" Sep 05 06:12:32 or "Dead" Sep 05 06:12:35 ie nothnig new happens to it Sep 05 06:12:36 :) Sep 05 06:12:44 :) Sep 05 06:12:51 its available from svn Sep 05 06:12:52 24/7 Sep 05 06:12:57 nab it whenever u like Sep 05 06:13:02 should Sep 05 06:13:03 as people - like me, rely on it Sep 05 06:13:05 I'm seeing some corruption during the DFU download Sep 05 06:13:05 meh Sep 05 06:13:08 it is my desktop Sep 05 06:13:13 for all my boxes - it tends to work Sep 05 06:13:15 all the time Sep 05 06:13:23 Is it available on portage as yet? Sep 05 06:13:30 Or do you not know? Sep 05 06:13:32 because if it doesnt.. i find otu and fix it pretty fast :) Sep 05 06:13:39 use get_e.sh Sep 05 06:13:45 or easy_e17.sh Sep 05 06:13:52 they basically will do the snarf and build for you Sep 05 06:14:53 mrrh Sep 05 06:15:11 there is just so much sexiness about e17 Sep 05 06:15:33 :) Sep 05 06:15:51 * rooly|away could see himself using enlightenment Sep 05 06:15:52 i started an e17 theme for e/illume for asu Sep 05 06:16:00 more a merge of e17's new default and adding illume things Sep 05 06:16:04 but its only functional Sep 05 06:16:06 not purty Sep 05 06:16:07 however, i used gnome + enlightenment Sep 05 06:16:09 and hated it Sep 05 06:17:07 ok Sep 05 06:17:09 bed time Sep 05 06:17:19 i promised myself i get to sleep before 2am Sep 05 06:17:22 and it's only 1 Sep 05 06:17:29 ish Sep 05 06:23:42 raster, here goes Sep 05 06:23:52 * FxChiP emerge e Sep 05 06:24:02 that will be wrong Sep 05 06:24:02 well old Sep 05 06:24:09 emerge in gentoo is using the old cvs repo Sep 05 06:24:11 whihc is dead Sep 05 06:24:11 followed the instructions on Gentoo-Wiki just now Sep 05 06:24:14 seriously? Sep 05 06:24:14 but not deco'd Sep 05 06:24:14 fuck Sep 05 06:24:23 gentoo is behind Sep 05 06:24:36 not maintaining their ebuilds well right now Sep 05 06:24:55 argh Sep 05 06:25:01 wish I'd known that Sep 05 06:25:02 no wait Sep 05 06:25:03 it's using svn Sep 05 06:25:24 Updating ebuilds or making new ones is fairly easy Sep 05 06:26:32 ooh Sep 05 06:26:34 they changed it Sep 05 06:26:36 at last Sep 05 06:26:46 nope Sep 05 06:26:47 I'm wrong Sep 05 06:26:47 cvs Sep 05 06:26:48 :/ Sep 05 06:26:53 aha! Sep 05 06:26:55 as i thought Sep 05 06:26:57 fucking fail Sep 05 06:26:59 use get_e.h Sep 05 06:27:00 raster: What distro do you use? Sep 05 06:27:02 err Sep 05 06:27:03 use get_e.sh Sep 05 06:27:08 or easy_e17.sh Sep 05 06:27:17 CM_work: you-booty! Sep 05 06:27:52 Hehe Sep 05 06:28:31 raster, what's the difference between the two? Sep 05 06:30:59 FxChiP: one is shorter/simpler and juist installs the minimal Sep 05 06:31:01 get_e.sh Sep 05 06:31:18 it has out-of-the-box support for you-booty Sep 05 06:31:21 ie installs dependencies Sep 05 06:31:27 nothing for gentoo/etc. tho Sep 05 06:32:14 Anyone know of any recent navit packages for 2008.8? Sep 05 06:33:22 ack Sep 05 06:33:25 your svn repo is huge Sep 05 06:34:54 someone has an edje_cc.deb packet ready? Sep 05 06:35:43 raster, your code style necessitates a huge screen, huh? XD Sep 05 06:35:54 FxChiP: 720mb checked out. 3gb of history. Sep 05 06:36:06 FxChiP: hahahaha Sep 05 06:36:18 FxChiP: no - i just like a lot of context up at once Sep 05 06:36:27 and any sufficiently complex program willl have lots of code Sep 05 06:36:34 and that means the mroe screen - the better Sep 05 06:36:37 * FxChiP nods Sep 05 06:37:01 * FxChiP was browsing screenshots Sep 05 06:37:08 * FxChiP prefers Geany XD Sep 05 06:37:20 i really cant understand how people code with huge fonts Sep 05 06:37:26 1 file at a time fullscreen with wide lines Sep 05 06:37:33 so little context and info Sep 05 06:37:40 u have to flip tabs/files all the time Sep 05 06:37:42 and scroll so much Sep 05 06:39:00 I use courier 12 Sep 05 06:39:14 mainly because that's the lowest I can go without it looking like crap Sep 05 06:39:28 "[08:10:38] another thing, neldoreth, most people (not all) equate visual quality of an OS with it's overall quality" yes but i think people who really work on an Os dont care about those things; and for me a lot of those effects are more bothersome than helpful; in addition you need better and better hardware :> Sep 05 06:39:31 As far as the tabs go, I tend to try and remember what the crap I did when writing something else that needs the context Sep 05 06:40:38 I shall have to try your method, however Sep 05 06:40:48 hmm. Sep 05 06:41:13 6x10 for me Sep 05 06:41:20 12 is just too big Sep 05 06:41:20 :) Sep 05 06:41:30 ugh Sep 05 06:41:41 my screen's not nearly big enough for that kinda woodge. Sep 05 06:41:57 and why remember Sep 05 06:42:01 when the machine can do it for u Sep 05 06:42:07 i tend to have a tonne fo context uo at any time Sep 05 06:42:34 space-saving, convenience Sep 05 06:42:51 small fonts definitely help Sep 05 06:42:56 as do big high-res screens Sep 05 06:42:57 :) Sep 05 06:43:06 I don't have the high-res screen bit Sep 05 06:43:10 Mine goes up to like 1280x800 Sep 05 06:43:16 :(:(:( Sep 05 06:43:41 And apparently Metacity doesn't do tile. Good for it. Sep 05 06:43:45 :P Sep 05 06:43:52 the 1920x1200 15" thinkpads are really nice laptops to program on :) Sep 05 06:44:59 oops Sep 05 06:45:02 courier new size 10 Sep 05 06:45:07 er Sep 05 06:45:07 courier Sep 05 06:45:10 not courier new Sep 05 06:45:10 yay Sep 05 06:45:40 Size 6 = hell no Sep 05 06:47:46 use nexus Sep 05 06:47:48 6x10 Sep 05 06:47:51 :) Sep 05 06:51:40 I don't think I have that font... Sep 05 06:51:47 Or do you mean something else? Sep 05 06:53:01 install it Sep 05 06:53:12 i'm sure there is a package Sep 05 06:53:20 thete is for you-booty Sep 05 07:11:21 why does enlightenment keep crashing ... is this normal .. or have i messed something up Sep 05 07:12:28 probably messed Sep 05 07:12:44 :-( Sep 05 07:12:44 raster's fault Sep 05 07:13:19 nokia's fault Sep 05 07:13:22 they sagotaged it Sep 05 07:13:27 sabotaged Sep 05 07:13:28 :)O Sep 05 07:14:00 heh right Sep 05 07:15:03 you mean the s60 team sabotaged it Sep 05 07:15:09 yes! Sep 05 07:15:13 they did! Sep 05 07:15:15 again! Sep 05 07:15:16 :) Sep 05 07:21:37 im trying to configure my wpa wifi network on the moko, trying to use the wpa_supplicant, but he seems to ignore the key from the config, or has problems later when he is dumping custom events, anyone can help? Sep 05 07:24:32 I got Nexus instaleld Sep 05 07:24:36 installed* Sep 05 07:24:38 it looks like crap :D Sep 05 07:28:36 pffft! Sep 05 07:28:39 "=P Sep 05 07:28:41 :-P Sep 05 07:28:58 looks just fine Sep 05 07:29:11 itds the same as in my screenshot i use for my xterm Sep 05 07:29:48 so raster leak those glamo docs yet? Sep 05 07:30:59 i need to talk to whats his name steve? get me on the payroll then quit as soon as i get my hands on the glamo info then leak it to the world openly :P Sep 05 07:31:13 lol sue me i dont care! Sep 05 07:31:22 That'd be pretty lame Sep 05 07:31:37 kd8ikt: that would put you in a position to be sued Sep 05 07:31:40 howbout werner and his WLAN spi driver Sep 05 07:31:50 and frankly - if i was an employer and found that ouy Sep 05 07:31:53 i've been watching the mailing lists Sep 05 07:31:53 i'd never hire you Sep 05 07:31:55 again Sep 05 07:32:06 its a great way to get blackbanned from ever having a job again Sep 05 07:32:43 well any job that has any form of contract Sep 05 07:33:04 ? Sep 05 07:33:12 u work for a company Sep 05 07:33:13 indeed Sep 05 07:33:24 raster's just butt hurt Sep 05 07:33:26 in your employment contract is that you will abide by any nda's and agreements the company signs Sep 05 07:33:42 om signed an nda with smedia Sep 05 07:33:44 kd8ikt, here's the thing, though: why would you do that anyway? Sep 05 07:33:50 thus you have agreed to abide by it Sep 05 07:34:08 freedom of information? Sep 05 07:34:14 if you join, then knwoingly, with intent take docuemtns under nda and leak Sep 05 07:34:22 Freedom of Information won't do shit for you Sep 05 07:34:25 it 1. shows you have no respect for a contract or agreement you sign Sep 05 07:34:36 2. opens you up to legal recourse by both om and smedia for damages Sep 05 07:34:36 wich i dont Sep 05 07:34:40 Because, quite frankly, there's nothing in that act that covers you for violating a contract Sep 05 07:34:46 3. shows oyu are untrustworthy Sep 05 07:34:53 * kd8ikt isnt Sep 05 07:35:05 isn't what? Sep 05 07:35:08 Untrustworthy? Sep 05 07:35:09 there is no law that protects u here Sep 05 07:35:10 trustworthy Sep 05 07:35:16 you broke a civil contract Sep 05 07:35:19 then what the fuck's the point Sep 05 07:35:29 if u dont intend to abide by the contratc - dont sign it Sep 05 07:35:39 but then - u wouldnt be hired or given access to such documents Sep 05 07:35:43 as u didnt agree and sign. Sep 05 07:35:48 Or at the very least Sep 05 07:35:48 i've signed lots of things that i think are Sep 05 07:35:50 BS Sep 05 07:35:53 its simply childish to do that Sep 05 07:35:53 eh Sep 05 07:36:05 Or at the very least, be smart Sep 05 07:36:19 kd8ikt: depending on your - or the signees jhurisdiction, they may or may not be invalid Sep 05 07:36:23 you should see my signature Sep 05 07:36:26 its awesome Sep 05 07:36:29 for exmaple in .au labor laws override any contract you sign Sep 05 07:36:32 Do smart things, like delaying for a period of time (like until more people sign the NDA) and not using your own name like an idiot Sep 05 07:36:33 :P Sep 05 07:36:39 more like a few scribbles Sep 05 07:36:42 so you can sign away your rights - eg a non-compete Sep 05 07:36:57 but its invalid as the law grants you explicitly the right to work in your chosen profession and no agreement can bar you from it Sep 05 07:37:00 BUT Sep 05 07:37:11 an nda as best i know does not violate any law anywhere Sep 05 07:37:11 I pray to God I don't have to sign a serious non-compete/NDA with Apple Sep 05 07:37:20 thats why there are so many. Sep 05 07:37:42 Where "serious" is defined as "blocks me from developing my 'driver'" Sep 05 07:39:07 and frankly - the glamo is not worht getting yourself a bad record for employes for and bei9ng liable to be sued for damages Sep 05 07:39:15 also by doing that Sep 05 07:39:24 other companies basically will look at om and go Sep 05 07:39:42 If you really, really want to disclose it, find the issue yourself Sep 05 07:39:49 "om hires people who then due to their "everythingt must be free" fanaticism quit and take all sensitive docs with them" Sep 05 07:39:55 so you basically dont just screw yourself Sep 05 07:40:06 you screw om and many companies that would do business before now will not Sep 05 07:40:15 so you get your smedia docs in public Sep 05 07:40:24 but you likely do a good job of ruining om as a company Sep 05 07:40:39 ruining the whole open source movement as basically you just raise the distrust levels Sep 05 07:40:43 And FreeRunner as a platform Sep 05 07:40:53 yup Sep 05 07:40:56 so really no one wins Sep 05 07:40:57 Not the *whole* open source movement though Sep 05 07:41:11 FxChiP: its another nail in the coffin "so to speak" Sep 05 07:41:12 The damage would be quite massive and you wouldn't see open phones for a while, if ever, though Sep 05 07:41:17 There is no coffin Sep 05 07:41:29 an example companies will share for "not to do business with them - they wont honor any trust you place in them" Sep 05 07:41:45 FxChiP: thats whi i said "so to speak" Sep 05 07:41:47 why Sep 05 07:42:12 a lot of people have worked a lot to make open source "legitimate": Sep 05 07:42:18 and make it be taken seriously Sep 05 07:42:33 doing things like what kd8ikt suggested totally sets that back Sep 05 07:43:00 as now you will get more of "look - they're a bunch of untrustworthy children - ignore them." Sep 05 07:43:14 theres enough of that view of linux/open source already Sep 05 07:43:17 and has been in the past Sep 05 07:43:19 its been broken down Sep 05 07:43:28 all you do is put those walls back up. Sep 05 07:44:21 depends Sep 05 07:44:35 open source has many diff arenas Sep 05 07:57:27 wheee Sep 05 08:00:27 The buttons on the top and bottem of the screen in tangogps don't show (only the current one) on 2008.8. Is there a fix to make them visible? Sep 05 08:02:30 anyone tried to port sgt-puzzles to OpenMoko? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ Sep 05 08:03:38 Hi everybody, is 2008.8 safe to "opkg upgrade" today ? Sep 05 08:05:17 hey all, can someone help me configure wpa? the suplicant keeps saying it cant set the key for authentication...? Sep 05 08:06:46 F4t: paste your supplicant.conf somewhere, please Sep 05 08:07:06 one sec Sep 05 08:07:34 F4t: I tried yesterday evening but without succes Sep 05 08:07:50 Tanuva: here it is: http://rafb.net/p/ynk9xG93.html Sep 05 08:11:19 im using latest 2008.08 build environment, im trying to build sample myhelloworld package on it, but it is giving error like " sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database ". can anyone help me?? Sep 05 08:19:59 can anyone help me with wpa wifi connection? wpa_supplicant keeps saying it WPA: Failed to set PTK to the driver. Sep 05 08:21:53 F4t: are you sure your key's correctly recognized? (what format is that, btw?) Sep 05 08:22:41 The key is generated using "wpa_passphrase L0c4l localnet" Sep 05 08:23:20 i could try to set it to the ascii version, you think that would help? Sep 05 08:23:39 at least it would simplify reading the config file Sep 05 08:24:04 and I have set ap_scan=1, lemme just find out where the difference is... Sep 05 08:24:40 just tried with the key in plain text, still PTK error msgs Sep 05 08:25:21 have you tried googling the exact error message? Sep 05 08:25:33 (I can't do since I don't have it ;) ) Sep 05 08:25:40 are there any planned hardware changes for the neo freerunner? Sep 05 08:25:59 There are several error msgs, sec ill send you in private Sep 05 08:26:18 paste them somewhere so that others can follow, too Sep 05 08:26:26 msgs are not the way to go Sep 05 08:26:47 Can you take automated output and send them along the phone conversation to the person on the other end? Sep 05 08:26:53 ok.. one sec Sep 05 08:27:21 i.e. can you play a song for someone that's calling you directly to their handset Sep 05 08:28:44 F4t: what wlan device are you trying to use there? Sep 05 08:29:02 moko's wifi device... wth0 Sep 05 08:29:05 eth0* Sep 05 08:29:37 here is the supplicant output: http://rafb.net/p/KA8I6615.html Sep 05 08:31:17 but where's that PRISM2_* part in the ioctl coming from? is wpa_supplicant using the wrong driver? Sep 05 08:31:50 Tanuva, it could be, but i dont select the driver, and with greater outout (-dd) i see that it uses WEXT.. Sep 05 08:31:56 hmm Sep 05 08:31:57 strange Sep 05 08:32:06 i could select a driver with -D but dont know what to put there... Sep 05 08:32:26 wext should work, madwifi is just for the ath5k chips afaik Sep 05 08:32:42 the moko's wifi is atheros, no? Sep 05 08:32:46 ath6k, yes Sep 05 08:33:01 so should there be madwifi driver? Sep 05 08:33:06 shouldnt* Sep 05 08:33:09 no, see above Sep 05 08:33:16 oh, ok.. Sep 05 08:33:49 ill try to connect to unencrypted wireless network, we'll see how it goes.. Sep 05 08:34:37 in my conf I use "pairwise" and "group" (both tkip), but no "proto" entry, maybe you could try that... Sep 05 08:35:07 ok, in a sec Sep 05 08:35:39 F4t: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2005-March/009770.html maybe you try ap_scan=1, too Sep 05 08:35:47 although this is from 2005.. *g* Sep 05 08:36:06 i tried ap_scan=1 Sep 05 08:36:41 hmm Sep 05 08:41:00 F4t, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi Sep 05 08:41:05 you probably tried that Sep 05 08:41:17 haven't read through though there may be something useful there. Sep 05 08:42:14 ill double check that too.. Sep 05 08:42:35 meanwhile, do you know of a way to get the list of suported drivers for supplicant? -D param? Sep 05 08:44:08 openmoko: 03graeme * r4629 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/voip-handset.state: New state for voip using handset Sep 05 08:46:25 F4t: run wpa_supplicant without parameters, you'll see Sep 05 08:46:35 wext, atmel and wired for me (debian) Sep 05 08:47:02 * Tanuva is wondering in which usecase one would want wpa on a wired connection... Sep 05 08:48:17 why during wext it throws hostap errors? :-/ Sep 05 08:48:58 some ioctl errors are normal, but yours aren't... Sep 05 08:50:19 i cant even manage to connect to an unencrypted network... Sep 05 08:54:06 SOLVED! Sep 05 08:54:43 Tanuva, thanks, the problem was i was not running udhcpc in paralel to the wpa_supplicant... Sep 05 08:54:44 how? Sep 05 08:55:00 saw that in the wiki? ;0 Sep 05 08:55:12 * Tanuva always uses static config, didn't think about such... :D Sep 05 08:55:18 saw it long time ago, but at first i thought it was only needed for open networks Sep 05 08:55:41 and i didnt think it would be necesery for key authentication?? Sep 05 08:56:11 weird enough. Sep 05 08:59:55 is it necesry to flash the moko to upgrade to om2008.8? Sep 05 09:15:07 is it necesry to flash the moko to upgrade to om2008.8? Sep 05 09:16:36 F4t: you could not upgrade from 2007.2 to 2008.8, so you must flash Sep 05 09:17:22 gromez, ok thanks Sep 05 09:17:54 hello Sep 05 09:18:17 wow, lots of ppl here Sep 05 09:24:33 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re2b17651a4df 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko-alsa-scenarios] update for new voip state Sep 05 09:55:16 is there some slim web browser in the debian repo? firefox runs, but it's not that responsive (naturally) Sep 05 09:58:23 epiphany-webkit Sep 05 09:59:31 midori Sep 05 09:59:35 by far the best Sep 05 09:59:37 actually useable Sep 05 10:03:15 FF what? Sep 05 10:03:55 I've been running FF1.5 for some time on PII/300 - 196M - which isn't _that_ much larger - and I wouldn't normallyu expect to have 20 tabs open on FR. Sep 05 10:03:58 SpeedEvil: ff3, if you mean that Sep 05 10:04:30 swapon would be needed first of course Sep 05 10:04:47 just use midori. it actually is fabulous. really. Sep 05 10:04:52 ...which I dont want because it kills flash Sep 05 10:04:58 (swap) Sep 05 10:05:01 flash will not work anyway Sep 05 10:05:24 budfive5: I mean swap, not midori Sep 05 10:05:26 the flash player is a binary from adobe, and these are pre-built for i386, NOT for arm4 Sep 05 10:05:46 for flash, you'd have to use any of the opensource players, like gnash Sep 05 10:05:50 these don't work too well yet Sep 05 10:06:00 flash is retarded anyway Sep 05 10:06:04 arr, I didn't want THAT flash.... Sep 05 10:06:21 I just said taht I won't swapon because it kills flash by writing frequently Sep 05 10:06:25 oh. :) Sep 05 10:06:27 flash memory :) Sep 05 10:07:39 how long does it take to flash 70 mb rootfs.... jeeez... Sep 05 10:08:07 forever Sep 05 10:08:46 FF3 runs quite well on FR Sep 05 10:08:56 apart from theme problem Sep 05 10:11:15 budfive5: did midori run out of the box? I installed it via apt-get but it's missing some libicu(i18n|uc).so... Sep 05 10:11:58 hello, as you are making a phone...mabe you know where i could find help on minicom and AT commands?(i've a nozomi card) Sep 05 10:12:29 midori just worked Sep 05 10:12:40 strange Sep 05 10:12:45 you're up-to date? Sep 05 10:12:52 aptitude update? Sep 05 10:12:57 d-u'ed some 30min ago I think Sep 05 10:12:58 aptitude safe-upgrade? Sep 05 10:13:01 did both of those? Sep 05 10:13:22 no aptitude, just apt here, since its unstable Sep 05 10:13:42 aptitude is a fancier version of apt-get. you can use apt-get instead Sep 05 10:13:48 I know :) Sep 05 10:14:01 ok. :) don't know who i'm talking to Sep 05 10:14:13 if you're up-to date then we're running the same code in theory Sep 05 10:14:28 let me get my fr, so i can see exactly what libraries midori thinks it needs and what i have Sep 05 10:14:30 0.0.19-2 here Sep 05 10:14:34 okay Sep 05 10:14:40 [Bug] #1963: X orientation left and right mess screen when return from suspend ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1963 ) Sep 05 10:15:04 Questions is - do you care if flash lasts more than a few months - if it costs $10 Sep 05 10:15:42 can internal flash be replaced Sep 05 10:16:01 yes I do, since I don't want to spend another 15€ on an sd card if I can do without :) Sep 05 10:17:16 tanuva: moko:~# which midori | xargs ldd | grep libicu Sep 05 10:17:16 libicui18n.so.38 => /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 (0x415df000) Sep 05 10:17:16 libicuuc.so.38 => /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38 (0x417ae000) Sep 05 10:17:16 libicudata.so.38 => /usr/lib/libicudata.so.38 (0x41cd8000) Sep 05 10:17:31 you are missing some of these? Sep 05 10:17:53 moko:~# dpkg -S /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 Sep 05 10:17:53 libicu38: /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 Sep 05 10:19:16 budfive5: http://rafb.net/p/mIdhhL41.html Sep 05 10:19:23 seems like that Sep 05 10:20:03 really strange, I'll see what apt turns out Sep 05 10:20:22 just libicu38 and -dev ... Sep 05 10:20:29 Tanuva: if wear levelling works as it should, flash should last decades anyway. Sep 05 10:21:08 your libicu38 package is either not fully installed somehow or it's an older version or something Sep 05 10:21:52 i'm at 3.8.1-3. this package contains the libraries you need Sep 05 10:22:46 I've got the same version... Sep 05 10:22:56 from ftp2.de.debian.org Sep 05 10:23:02 ok. dpkg -L libicu38 please Sep 05 10:23:11 hi all Sep 05 10:23:20 torindel: are you here? :) Sep 05 10:23:33 budfive5: essential parts (libs): /usr/lib Sep 05 10:23:33 /usr/lib/libicutu.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:23:34 /usr/lib/libicuio.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:23:34 /usr/lib/libicudata.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:23:52 that's exactly what I got on disk Sep 05 10:24:30 and on my desktop (debian sid/sidux) the missing files are there Sep 05 10:24:31 ok... Sep 05 10:24:32 hil_: yep, but i'm going out to work in few minutes so make it quick Sep 05 10:24:45 maybe I'll get it from another mirror Sep 05 10:24:50 how big is your .deb? our .debs should be identical Sep 05 10:25:01 alright... i used your advice and got the toolchain working Sep 05 10:25:03 just md5 them ;) Sep 05 10:25:30 6aa5e3d135d901033c9a21982676791d /var/cache/apt/archives/libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb Sep 05 10:25:41 now I want to get the soruces to the browser and build it... can you help me find sources to openmoko Sep 05 10:25:44 yep. mine isn't in the archives. i must've killed it. :) Sep 05 10:25:48 give me a sec Sep 05 10:25:48 (without having to downoad the whole shebang) Sep 05 10:26:32 hil_: you're on gentoo stage right? Sep 05 10:26:57 er... no. I mean the other advice about using the OM toolchain Sep 05 10:27:12 i'm using ubuntu as build/host Sep 05 10:27:20 and Freerunner as target Sep 05 10:27:43 i have deployed the sample provided with the toolchain binary Sep 05 10:27:50 now I want to work with a real application. Sep 05 10:29:21 hil_: with or without qemu to run configure and preprocessor? Sep 05 10:29:26 tanuva: md5sum < libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb Sep 05 10:29:30 ba2f0c484e22986b58cd5567fde49cba Sep 05 10:29:42 budfive5: which debian mirror are you using? Sep 05 10:30:00 morning all, could someone run this command on a 2007/2008 image please in a terminal and give me the output : opkg search hidd Sep 05 10:30:03 also, dpkg -c libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb | grep /usr/lib/lib Sep 05 10:30:03 -rw-r--r-- root/root 151288 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicutu.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:03 -rw-r--r-- root/root 54528 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicuio.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:03 -rw-r--r-- root/root 11414272 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicudata.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:03 -rw-r--r-- root/root 275264 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicule.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:04 -rw-r--r-- root/root 1632024 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:06 -rw-r--r-- root/root 1863152 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:08 -rw-r--r-- root/root 68344 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libiculx.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:10 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicuio.so.38 -> libicuio.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:12 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38 -> libicuuc.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:14 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 -> libicui18n.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:16 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libiculx.so.38 -> libiculx.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:18 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicutu.so.38 -> libicutu.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:20 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicudata.so.38 -> libicudata.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:22 lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicule.so.38 -> libicule.so.38.1 Sep 05 10:30:22 budfive5: DIE!!! Sep 05 10:30:24 i just pulled that .deb from http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/icu/ Sep 05 10:30:31 :) Sep 05 10:30:31 budfive5: use paste services Sep 05 10:30:31 wtf... Sep 05 10:30:36 I'll redownload Sep 05 10:30:58 without qemu.. i'm going straight to Freerunner with an ipk file created with om-make-ipkg Sep 05 10:32:15 hil_: then it wasnt me, as you'll run into a lot of headaches with direct crosscompile Sep 05 10:33:16 ok... so it must've been someone else Sep 05 10:33:20 :) Sep 05 10:33:30 hil_: better it would be to setup distcc on qemu'ed arm and your host to get configure/preprocesor on sane (qemu) arm target and compilation on your localhost Sep 05 10:33:35 but can you help me find sources Sep 05 10:34:07 hil_: maybe later i'm off to work now Sep 05 10:34:09 later Sep 05 10:34:21 ok. thanks Sep 05 10:34:25 :) Sep 05 10:35:07 anyone? mabe someone knows where i could find help on minicom and AT commands?(i've a nozomi card) Sep 05 10:36:29 Gnutoo: a quick google gave me this : http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Option_Qualcomm_MSM6275_UMTS/ Sep 05 10:41:14 Tig|, i've several problems...1)/dev/noz1,2,3 doen't eccho my commands on minicom...2)i want to know my phone number and retrive sms if possible Sep 05 10:41:49 Tig|, i need that in order to go to sfr's website and mabe they will tell me how many MB are left Sep 05 10:49:08 Gnutoo: I think it is :+CNUM Sep 05 10:49:22 sorry +CNUM Sep 05 10:49:35 ignore the colon :) Sep 05 10:49:49 ok i'll pastebin the result Sep 05 10:50:26 budfive5: I downloaded libicu by hand now and got the nessecary libs. REALLY strange. Sep 05 10:50:56 Tig|, http://pastebin.com/m34abaf82 Sep 05 10:51:44 tanuva: if you care to investigate, you can look in the apt logs to see if it installed correctly in the frist place. otherwise, maybe something deleted the files after the fact? random guess... Sep 05 10:52:27 Gnutoo: no idea then I am afraid, I did find this : http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html#27.07general it may help Sep 05 10:53:09 argh, now I got this f* segfault-on-reading-dep-tree again... maybe I take a look at the logs afterwards Sep 05 10:53:32 Tig|, wow thanks a lot Sep 05 10:55:43 no worries :) Sep 05 10:56:37 anybody using at&t in the US with their freerunner? Sep 05 10:59:17 no but there where some problems with some at&t sim cards from the mailing list, if you can swap them it might work better Sep 05 11:00:15 wtf, my rootfs got readonly while mounted :O Sep 05 11:01:35 dns53: yeah. I'm on my 3rd sim card. Unlike the others this one works, but it's awfully flaky Sep 05 11:02:39 i haven't been able to get any of the gsm working with 2008.8 so i use qtopia most of the time Sep 05 11:04:34 dns53: wait... you have SIM issues with one distro and not another?? I always assumed this was mostly a hardware problem Sep 05 11:06:47 it's kernel drivers and gsmd related i believe, perhaps different firmares etc Sep 05 11:11:10 budfive5: yay, midori is fine, thanks for the hint :) Sep 05 11:11:23 * Tanuva is controlling his desktop's amarok from the neo now. wlan rocks. Sep 05 11:11:53 using a web interface? Sep 05 11:12:10 you tried using pulse audio to stream to your neo? Sep 05 11:12:27 yes, amarok has a built-in script for web playlist access. not the whole lib though Sep 05 11:12:35 no stream, just playback control Sep 05 11:12:51 since the desktop's sound is waaay better *g* Sep 05 11:13:39 and I don't have pulseaudio on my neo. debian powered by alsa Sep 05 11:14:33 doesn't it? i thaught they used pulse, i think they used to Sep 05 11:14:54 tanuva: does your sound work on the fr? Mine had some problem where some gsm daemon is hogging the sound. i haven't bothered to fix it yet Sep 05 11:15:29 after killing a few processes, i was able to get control of the card, but still no sound. have you gotten this to run? Sep 05 11:15:52 sound's fine through state files Sep 05 11:15:59 haven't really tried calling yet Sep 05 11:16:13 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r8c8a0feea2f6 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: Sep 05 11:16:13 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: UBXDevice uses one of the private variables from GPSDevice Sep 05 11:16:13 freesmartphone.org: (Patch by Sascha Wessel) Sep 05 11:16:13 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8050feff58f1 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: Fix warmstart codepath so it sends initial data Sep 05 11:17:26 Tanuva: did you have to do anything to get the sound to work? you can just use mplayer or something similar? Sep 05 11:17:30 hm.. but midori doesn't render teh web interface correctly Sep 05 11:17:46 budfive5: I had to use the right statefile, but then it worked from any player Sep 05 11:18:00 can i get a copy of the statefile? please? Sep 05 11:18:04 debian's default settings seem brokne Sep 05 11:18:07 sure Sep 05 11:18:11 thansk Sep 05 11:18:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound Sep 05 11:20:05 * Tanuva would like a working xglamo + gestures on debian... Sep 05 11:20:14 (to enable widescreen :]) Sep 05 11:20:27 why does the moko suspend every few seconds where do i change it (om2008.8) Sep 05 11:20:53 settings Sep 05 11:21:01 ok thanks Sep 05 11:22:29 hmm... seems like I need to modify this webinterface a little Sep 05 11:23:11 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * rf225ec860747 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: (log message trimmed) Sep 05 11:23:11 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Reset gpsfixstatus when stopping the GPS. Sep 05 11:23:11 freesmartphone.org: From: Sascha Wessel Sep 05 11:23:11 freesmartphone.org: Subject: [PATCH] reset-ubx-gpsfixstatus-and-buffer.patch Sep 05 11:23:12 freesmartphone.org: Hi, Sep 05 11:23:14 freesmartphone.org: This patch fixes the following issue: Sep 05 11:23:16 freesmartphone.org: * zhone shows 90.0/0.0 as location (Debian bug #494927) Sep 05 11:24:15 have anyone test this testing-om-gta02-20080905.rootfs.jffs2 Sep 05 11:30:21 F4t, yep its initial sleep is set to 10sec afaik, you have to go into setting and chnage it Sep 05 11:46:15 ecraven! Sep 05 11:47:11 hey ;) Sep 05 11:47:56 :) Sep 05 11:56:07 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rec2661157dce 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus.inc dbus_1.2.1.bb): dbus: enable x support and put dbus-launch into new package dbus-x11 Sep 05 11:58:26 :o Sep 05 12:00:26 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf8572452afe6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields Sep 05 12:00:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7db16cf71a43 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in all SMS functions Sep 05 12:01:51 grrr how is deprecating hidd a step forward Sep 05 12:02:08 just the same way that 2007.2 -> 2008.8 was Sep 05 12:02:18 yeah I suppose... Sep 05 12:03:14 so where as before I could just do a hidd --search to connect and magically setup my bt keyboard I have to faff around lots Sep 05 12:07:59 hi all, i was wondering if the freerunner -> gsm modem connection was a system bus or a serial port? (sorry if this is a dupe, xchat dropped out) Sep 05 12:08:44 Kamping_Kaiser: its a serial port Sep 05 12:08:45 serial line Sep 05 12:09:36 hm. thanks both Sep 05 12:09:52 * Kamping_Kaiser waits for his 2nd freerunner to arrive to check exactly what it looks like Sep 05 12:14:34 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r36a75d074df3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia-phone-x11] fix PV to be higher than stable Sep 05 12:14:34 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cd05849538e 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus.inc dbus_1.2.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Sep 05 12:34:05 [Bug] #1964: [ti calypso] Sometimes TI Calypso fails to dial out and is not reachable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1964 ) Sep 05 12:39:05 [Bug] #1965: qtopia-phone-x11 build failed cannot find -lfreetype ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1965 ) Sep 05 12:51:28 anyone used usb host on the neo yet? Sep 05 12:51:33 yep Sep 05 12:51:47 with a couple of keyboards Sep 05 12:51:49 anything to do except switching via sysfs node? Sep 05 12:51:58 i do not seem to get any reaction upon inserting anything Sep 05 12:52:08 perhaps my gender changer is not working Sep 05 12:52:30 did you switch on the host power? Sep 05 12:52:38 openmoko: 03werner * r4630 10/developers/werner/dbgrst/ (. Makefile README dbgrst.c): Small utility to reset a Neo through the debug board without using OpenOCD. Sep 05 12:52:46 no! Sep 05 12:52:58 echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode Sep 05 12:53:03 echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode Sep 05 12:53:06 aah Sep 05 12:53:09 missed the 2nd command Sep 05 12:53:12 that sets up host mode and switches power on Sep 05 12:53:16 * mickeyl tries Sep 05 12:53:19 echo "device" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode Sep 05 12:53:24 echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode Sep 05 12:53:26 to switch back Sep 05 12:54:05 aah Sep 05 12:54:10 now something happens Sep 05 12:54:14 :) Sep 05 12:54:25 amazing, thanks Sep 05 12:54:32 no problem Sep 05 12:54:38 unfortunately i don't get USB insertion via input node Sep 05 12:54:42 which is what I had suspected Sep 05 12:54:43 err Sep 05 12:54:44 expected Sep 05 12:55:07 i only get USB host insertion Sep 05 12:55:11 not USB gadget insertion Sep 05 12:55:22 but i guess since I have to switch to host mode and power it up, autosense won't work anyways Sep 05 12:55:46 good, i can now add some basic support for usb host to frameworkd Sep 05 12:55:54 :) Sep 05 13:27:28 Hi guys, I got my freerunner today and I guess I should upgrade it to the asu? Sep 05 13:27:54 And it seems the repos for the 2007.2 images don't exist anymore? Sep 05 13:36:12 Hi. Is there a list of the packages that are part of the original asu (2008.08) ? Sep 05 13:54:46 apollo13: the repositories have been moved Sep 05 13:54:57 Wake_Work: yeah thx, already found them Sep 05 13:55:04 ;) Sep 05 13:55:18 the next thing I'll try is the fso image :) Sep 05 14:01:50 finally Sep 05 14:01:53 i've got my openmoko Sep 05 14:02:16 what is the distro on it by default? Sep 05 14:02:18 2007.x? Sep 05 14:05:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfa1c3d3a791 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content Sep 05 14:05:08 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * reca116006eba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. Sep 05 14:05:08 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a0bfd66510e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations Sep 05 14:05:09 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r649629d6f773 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default Sep 05 14:05:11 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r547e88e7bde7 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default Sep 05 14:05:14 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a6b33a98de5 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 05 14:05:17 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f4838267cfe 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon Sep 05 14:05:20 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r8342d9e21288 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles Sep 05 14:05:32 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r614175e352c4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS Sep 05 14:05:32 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rd12b80aee8d8 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default Sep 05 14:05:33 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e164ad85975 10/packages/ (openmoko-projects/om-locations_git.bb xorg-app/xterm_207.bb): Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.dev Sep 05 14:07:26 b0ib0t: 2007.2 Sep 05 14:07:32 ah Sep 05 14:07:41 how craptastic is 2007.2 compared to 08.8? Sep 05 14:08:27 my wife is goign to do a straight qtopia boot with hers, i wanna do a dual boot 08.8 & qtopia with mine Sep 05 14:09:20 hi everybody Sep 05 14:09:26 hi Sep 05 14:09:29 i prefer 2008.8 over 2007.2 but with the illume keyboard installed. i dislike the qtopia one Sep 05 14:09:36 i'm looking for the rasterman image Sep 05 14:09:57 does anybody have a link ? Sep 05 14:10:52 don't bother ... find it Sep 05 14:10:54 :) Sep 05 14:12:45 does pidgin work on the freerunner? Sep 05 14:13:10 b0ib0t: guessing it does Sep 05 14:13:15 wow Sep 05 14:13:18 but i have no idea Sep 05 14:13:37 does it work also like a normal phone? like, you hold it up to your face and talk into it? Sep 05 14:13:41 it feels a bit funky like that Sep 05 14:14:04 would be cool to have a guesture like that Sep 05 14:14:17 answer = lift the phone to your ear Sep 05 14:14:34 lol Sep 05 14:14:53 there is some gesture-stuffs already Sep 05 14:14:58 should be possible Sep 05 14:16:06 and, like put-on-hold = take the phone from your ear down to the "looking at screen" position Sep 05 14:16:14 and hangup = shake and put in pocket Sep 05 14:16:18 imagine the ASUM Sep 05 14:17:44 but, judging from this chat, it seems that it works like a phone and that pidgin runs on it Sep 05 14:17:51 but, i want a jabber-only client Sep 05 14:18:41 the iphone does something like that already, if you lift it to your ear the screen turns off and it goes back on when you look at it Sep 05 14:19:02 ace_: but, you have to press a button to answer Sep 05 14:19:14 that's true :) Sep 05 14:19:21 ace_: and thats just a sensor that turns of the screen when there is something near it Sep 05 14:19:38 ah i thought it was a motion sensor Sep 05 14:20:06 there is a motion sensor aka accelerometer Sep 05 14:20:10 also Sep 05 14:20:18 but its mostly used for rotating the screen Sep 05 14:22:01 hm Sep 05 14:45:57 Anyone know the reason opkg upgrade gives "opkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory `(null)': No such file or directory" Sep 05 14:46:24 On previous run it segfaulted Sep 05 14:54:14 rhkfin, strace it? Sep 05 14:55:02 Unknown HZ value! (94) Assume 100. Sep 05 14:55:02 E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to Sep 05 14:55:02 stop it with `killall qpe` and then restart the installation! Sep 05 14:56:19 why would qtopia continually access the media card Sep 05 14:56:58 to see if you may have added any juicy multimedia files for it. Sep 05 14:57:19 it's a "feature" Sep 05 14:57:53 remember, qtopia is made for a closed phone :) Sep 05 14:58:57 phrozen77_: http://pastebin.com/f466ca8dc Sep 05 14:59:21 (will have to go soon, highlight me if any ideas..) Sep 05 15:00:05 mkdir("/tmp/opkg-lHvWHe", 0700) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Sep 05 15:00:11 rhkfin, no permissions on /tmp ? Sep 05 15:00:37 phrozen77_: huh.. Sep 05 15:01:16 /var/volatile/tmp doesn't exist.. Sep 05 15:01:42 Created it and seems to work again.. Must have been the upgrade that broke it.. Sep 05 15:01:46 Thanks! Sep 05 15:02:43 yw Sep 05 15:16:34 openmoko: 03zecke * r9f10e31fc4eb 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp addressbook.h): [addressbook] Use QTOPIA_PER_CONTACT_RINGTONE for per contact/group ringtone Sep 05 15:22:08 * Tanuva is scrolling wildly over europe to download maps from osm.org *g* Sep 05 15:22:48 didnt anyone write a script for that already? Sep 05 15:23:41 Tanuva: http://rafb.net/p/TMaU3816.html Sep 05 15:23:51 (that isnt mine thoo) Sep 05 15:23:57 tanuva: you can also use tangogps and the "download maps" button Sep 05 15:25:15 I *am* using tgps to do that Sep 05 15:25:25 there is a kind of maps set for a whole country ? Sep 05 15:25:46 hmm Sep 05 15:25:49 at least there was Sep 05 15:26:18 torindel: 404 not found Sep 05 15:27:05 same here Sep 05 15:27:19 wpa_gui rocks. Sep 05 15:28:05 sicu: http://wklej.org/id/2776/ Sep 05 15:28:22 (still had that window on rafb open ;]) Sep 05 15:28:36 thx =) Sep 05 15:28:40 I flashed the fso milestone2 to the freerunner, and now I get empty flash at ... ends at ... messages Sep 05 15:28:45 what did I wrong? Sep 05 15:28:57 (after that it boots...) Sep 05 15:29:51 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4184221da646 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlie's fixes Sep 05 15:29:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r373685409d92 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r71 for wifi and profile changes Sep 05 15:36:51 mmmmm debian Sep 05 15:37:12 need some more sdcards Sep 05 15:39:41 slaxxin: just use nfs over gprs :) Sep 05 15:40:39 my xfce (debian) has the reboot/shutdown buttons disabled. what does it need to make them work? Sep 05 15:41:15 hanent messed with gprs yet Sep 05 15:41:32 Tanuva: never used xfce actually, which debian package has the buttons? Sep 05 15:41:33 v* Sep 05 15:41:34 what does the .summary for the gta02 rootfs mean? http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Sep 05 15:41:54 lindi-: puh, you ask for things... *g* Sep 05 15:42:22 I'd use illume if I could get it to run :D Sep 05 15:45:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8ac9778c1865 10/framework/controller.py: bail out if our dbus bus name is already owned on startup Sep 05 15:45:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ree45d198ecce 10/tools/cli-framework: tools/cli-framework: add convenience function for getting proxies implementing an interface Sep 05 15:45:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5ad57e4ddfcd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: add power control object for switching to Usb Host. Sep 05 15:45:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb14290506a6c 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: add UsbHost resource Sep 05 15:48:16 has the debian distro had any updates since the inclusion Sep 05 15:48:39 im using the auto-installer Sep 05 15:49:12 Tanuva: no idea? Sep 05 15:49:24 i guess the latest (if there is an update) will be installed Sep 05 15:50:28 I wonder why is it taking the kernel team too much to fix the suspend/resume issues !! Sep 05 15:50:46 With a 20070824 build, I'm having trouble locking screen Sep 05 15:50:57 it works a few times but randomly after a certain point I can't lock Sep 05 15:51:15 I can't figure out the CLI command to lock screen, and there's no X log for me to check Sep 05 15:51:16 CVirus: cause it's not that easy maybe? Sep 05 15:51:20 how can I troubleshoot this? Sep 05 15:52:29 Tanuva: it's kind of hard to study the issue if i don't know what package to look at :) Sep 05 15:53:40 nfs over gprs Sep 05 15:53:55 ? Sep 05 15:54:10 [Bug] #1814: Broken mplayer package dependenties ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1814 ) Sep 05 15:54:24 lol Sep 05 15:54:30 c* Sep 05 15:54:35 lindi-: sure, I understand the problem. My problem is that I just apt-get installed xfce4, modified zhone-session and there I went :D Sep 05 15:54:45 lindi-: I'll have a look at it later Sep 05 15:59:29 slaxxin: why not? ;) Sep 05 15:59:34 somewhere it was possible to download whole countries of osm maps, but I can't find that anymore :/ Sep 05 15:59:44 im a linux noob Sep 05 16:00:44 i think rooly was doing that Sep 05 16:01:07 whole countries would be good Sep 05 16:02:31 http://webzone.k3.mah.se/kit01051/flashback.swf Sep 05 16:06:03 this is sick Sep 05 16:07:43 this is cool Sep 05 16:08:02 slaxxin: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ that's what I was looking for Sep 05 16:09:13 Hi, Im trying to connect to my wpa2 network with my new neo freerunner, but my wpa-psk is 64 signs long Sep 05 16:09:31 wpa_supplicant maximally allows 63 signs, wheres the prob Sep 05 16:09:42 signs? Sep 05 16:09:51 chars probably Sep 05 16:09:53 why does the networkmanager of my laptop allow 64 characters Sep 05 16:09:59 yeah, characters Sep 05 16:10:06 sry^^ Sep 05 16:10:54 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8ceb05e86b54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade efl as encouraged by raster Sep 05 16:10:54 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6942b2e79b80 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Assassin] bump up the version of assassin to 233 Sep 05 16:10:55 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf6ea04021890 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] Add tag group::programming to edje-utils (#1716) Sep 05 16:10:56 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2be1c6fff81a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko-alsa-scenarios] update for new voip state Sep 05 16:10:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2e1ae90e82a9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r71 for wifi and profile changes Sep 05 16:11:01 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8d8376fdeb85 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlie's fixes Sep 05 16:11:01 wikipedia told me that wpa-psk's are maximally 63 characters long, but why does my networkmanager show a 64 character long psk? Sep 05 16:11:04 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2af3d1dd97e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable Sep 05 16:11:12 Do I have to leave out one char Sep 05 16:12:05 off by one error? :| Sep 05 16:12:35 is there a downloadble version of the wiki? Sep 05 16:12:43 i'd like the openmoko wiki on the road Sep 05 16:12:58 that an upgrede there correct? Sep 05 16:13:02 Usually a wiki has an 'all pages' page Sep 05 16:17:00 does the freerunner come with any games? Sep 05 16:17:12 sudoku Sep 05 16:17:24 a friend of mine managed to play diablo2 Sep 05 16:17:29 with wine and qemu Sep 05 16:17:35 lol Sep 05 16:17:43 what dir are the games stored? Sep 05 16:17:51 His nick is josch, Hes lurking around here sometimes, too Sep 05 16:18:42 on the wiki it says under default software, it comes with bridges... it does not give a path though Sep 05 16:18:55 really noone an idea why my wpa-psk is 64 characters long or how come networkmanager is telling me so Sep 05 16:19:13 usually /opt or /usr Sep 05 16:19:36 but could be as well /usr/local or even /, which is very rare though Sep 05 16:23:33 scummvm? Sep 05 16:24:11 /usr/games is empty Sep 05 16:25:45 eeeh. how do I use downloaded .osm xml files for tangogps? (this is possible, isn't it?) Sep 05 16:26:20 If I had meant /usr/games, Id have said so, the binaries are in /usr/bin the libraries in /usr/lib when I say that they are usually in /usr Sep 05 16:26:22 Tanuva: you don't afaik. Sep 05 16:26:29 Tanuva: you use mapnik to render OSM 0.5 data Sep 05 16:26:32 the same for /opt Sep 05 16:26:58 Tanuva: to bitmaps and then tangogps shows you those bitmaps Sep 05 16:28:12 aah! Sep 05 16:28:31 Hello gentlemen. Sep 05 16:29:46 Tig|_, hello again..i've advanced and now the command AT+CPBR=1 gives me that: +CPBR: 1,"",0,"Mon No SFR" but in that message i see no phone number Sep 05 16:34:40 I have found a way to remove (as good as) any trace oc echo from my phone, by i seams like i have to run the AT-command before every call. Sep 05 16:34:50 How do i do that? Sep 05 16:34:59 Kagee: Wow! What is the command? Sep 05 16:35:21 Kagee: You would have to edit the source of whatever dialer you're using... which dialer is it? Sep 05 16:35:34 im using a fresh 2008.8-Update Sep 05 16:35:41 So it's Qtopia? Sep 05 16:35:45 thihmmm Sep 05 16:36:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user <<-- that one Sep 05 16:36:01 (the ASU branch of Qtopia, I mean) Sep 05 16:36:44 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html <<-- that fix AND running "AT%N028B" in minicom before every call. Sep 05 16:36:48 I'd tell lpotter about the command... if it works w/o side effects, I bet he'd integrate it soon. I dunno who is responsible on the OM side for Qtopia updates Sep 05 16:37:20 AND sound setting that i seams to have lost... Sep 05 16:37:21 Or, just find the defect for the echo and add your info as a comment Sep 05 16:38:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r28c58220d92f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/ (powercontrol.plugin powercontrol.vala): Add USB host control Sep 05 16:38:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1198e3fd3dfa 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: change the priority for idle event handling for input Sep 05 16:38:49 brokenmoko Sep 05 16:39:12 Kagee: It looks as if that's already going into Qtopia 4.4 Sep 05 16:39:12 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 <<-- thisone ? Sep 05 16:39:22 what part? Sep 05 16:39:28 Just the stuff from the mailing list Sep 05 16:40:09 I highly recomment posting your findings as a response to that email :-) Sep 05 16:41:14 *doh* .... how :-? Sep 05 16:41:23 i'm not uset do mailing lists Sep 05 16:42:09 :D Sep 05 16:42:17 yeah, it blows Sep 05 16:42:27 get used to it, or grow old. Sep 05 16:42:50 Kagee: Well, if nothing else, fake it up by sending an email to the correct list address with RE: and paste in the original content Sep 05 16:43:09 or... posting it to trac ? Sep 05 16:43:11 I'm sure some mail clients let you hand-set the reply-to id, but I dunno which one you use or how to do it Sep 05 16:43:37 Kagee: Posting it to trac is probably almost as good, but if you send an email to the ML many more people will see the solution Sep 05 16:43:47 and raise hell if it doesn't get integrated into the releases :-) Sep 05 16:45:34 the only problem is that AT%N028B locks up minicom, so i have to kill it gently. Then it shuts down and resets the modem, and my next call in echo free Sep 05 16:45:51 Gnutoo: sorry, just popped back in and need to dash off to get some beer :) one quick thought is that on a normal mobile phone if you dial *#100# it sends you your number back (not sure if this is implemented on any of the openmoko stacks yet but if you used the AT commands for dialing and sent it *#100# it might be in the output from the network :) Sep 05 16:45:58 kill it gently? Sep 05 16:46:23 kill , (i think thats -15) not kill -9 Sep 05 16:46:53 "terminate", not kill Sep 05 16:47:07 bah Sep 05 16:47:10 Tig|_, i tried on my mobilephone and it didn't work but i'm abroad... Sep 05 16:47:11 hm, I now managed to configure my wpa_supplicant.conf properly, but I still do not get an ip address, udhcpc eth0, right? Sep 05 16:47:39 It just says sending disconver... Sep 05 16:47:45 *discover Sep 05 16:48:08 wpa_supplicant told me it would be associated Sep 05 16:48:09 Gnutoo: ah, right I am off, back later :) hope you get it sorted :) Sep 05 16:48:23 Tig|_, ok thanks, bye Sep 05 16:52:27 hey Sep 05 16:52:35 How much access can you get to phone functions? Sep 05 16:52:53 how can I test gps on the fso image? Sep 05 16:53:38 FxChiP, to the extent of talking AT commands with the gsm module Sep 05 16:53:40 tangogps should connect to the gps daemon at 127.0.0.1:2947 or? but there is nothing running Sep 05 16:53:59 fso doesn't use gpsd Sep 05 16:54:53 ok, it uses gypsy Sep 05 16:54:59 as far as I understand Sep 05 16:55:08 dbus \o/ Sep 05 16:55:21 does tangogps connect over dbus? Sep 05 16:55:39 on fso Sep 05 16:55:56 it uses the framework, last time I checked. Sep 05 16:56:24 mjr, could you put the GSM module into an equivalent to Promiscuous Mode? Sep 05 16:56:32 by the way does someone knows well AT commands?AT+CPBR=1 gives me that: +CPBR: 1,"",0,"Mon No SFR" but in that message i see no phone number and i'd like to have my own phone number in my nozomi card(i don't know where else to ask....mabe someone knows where?) Sep 05 16:57:41 wurp2|gone, https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267#comment:16 Sep 05 16:58:26 Hello wurp :) Sep 05 16:58:33 * FxChiP will brb Sep 05 17:01:47 Dave: Hey there Sep 05 17:02:06 :) Sep 05 17:02:34 Kagee: awesome, thanks! Sep 05 17:02:46 Man, I am so out of it any more Sep 05 17:02:55 hope it works for more than me Sep 05 17:03:11 I haven't updated the release on my neo in weeks... I've never tried any ASU, or debian Sep 05 17:03:20 Kagee: me too :-) Sep 05 17:03:57 i just god my phone yesterday, an i've reflashed itt 5 times since then :-) Sep 05 17:04:13 wow Sep 05 17:04:38 How did you find the AT%N028B command? Sep 05 17:04:48 I looked ! :-) Sep 05 17:04:59 to what? Sep 05 17:05:02 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td784752|a786187 Sep 05 17:07:14 irritating that i only have one terminal on the phone, so i have to connect to a pc to make echo free callls Sep 05 17:08:03 I thought qtopia now issued that command Sep 05 17:08:21 FxChiP, nnnno Sep 05 17:09:06 asu, bbq...XORA Sep 05 17:10:05 XorA: 4 days ago someone said it would be in "testing feeds for a couple of days", annd i'm using only stable upgrades. Sep 05 17:10:19 it should be in 2008.9 AFAIK Sep 05 17:10:22 which is soon Sep 05 17:10:33 and, that's only one of the AT-commands and none of the audio, i guess Sep 05 17:11:25 AT%N0187 is in testing, but i have echo until i do AT%N028B as well. Sep 05 17:15:00 heh Sep 05 17:15:08 yo xora Sep 05 17:15:18 Why did BH get fucked? Sep 05 17:15:25 Furthermore, was it YOUR decision? Sep 05 17:16:06 erp, BH? Sep 05 17:16:17 buildhost Sep 05 17:16:22 ah Sep 05 17:16:34 that doesn't sound good then Sep 05 17:17:41 it's been "offline" for about a week now Sep 05 17:17:43 or something Sep 05 17:17:54 someone fucked the servar or took it out, or SOMETHING Sep 05 17:18:24 Didn't they move everything from BH to DL ? Sep 05 17:18:50 buildhost. to download. Sep 05 17:19:15 something like that, maybe. Sep 05 17:19:35 It was never publicly announced though Sep 05 17:19:40 spot on ... it's all in DL now Sep 05 17:20:01 I think the maintainers of the repos should be fired. Sep 05 17:20:08 They are clearly some of the most uneducated people I've ever met. Sep 05 17:20:18 and I am being courteous, others might want them shot :p Sep 05 17:20:47 I don't think they'd be able to do a better job if they were dead. Sep 05 17:20:48 you can't update a fabric-fresh FR running 2007.2 anymore (they're using buildhost) - that, i found out after scratching my head for 32 hours Sep 05 17:21:04 2 hours, even Sep 05 17:22:30 accessing the url gives you all the info you need as to what's happened, ML and where they've moved it to: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ Sep 05 17:22:57 kagee: in my case it truly would have been 32 hrs :p Sep 05 17:23:05 sicu sicu sicu Sep 05 17:23:11 2007.2 was at least usable - 2008.8 was not, when i tried it Sep 05 17:23:17 dave dave dave ^^ Sep 05 17:23:27 and 2007.2 is gone from about everywhere. Sep 05 17:23:34 :D Sep 05 17:23:39 sicu, it says nothing about how to change it Sep 05 17:23:41 2007.2 is awesome! Sep 05 17:23:43 Kagee: Scratching your head for 32 hours results in a bloody finger Sep 05 17:23:51 2 hours! 2 ! Sep 05 17:23:59 wonka: cannot comment on that... still using 2007.2 here :/ Sep 05 17:24:02 Kagee: :-) Sep 05 17:24:35 How can i find out how much space is left on my phone :-? Sep 05 17:24:41 df Sep 05 17:25:06 ahh Sep 05 17:25:44 Kagee: you're right ... i was convinced that it gave me the fix (must've found it somewhere else, sry) Sep 05 17:25:56 df -h Sep 05 17:26:23 Sargun_Screen, even better Sep 05 17:27:24 sicu: me too Sep 05 17:27:37 should i update to 2008.8? even though everything works for me in 2007.2 ? Sep 05 17:27:56 wonka: though i run gentoo on it too ;) Sep 05 17:28:21 ricer! Sep 05 17:28:27 ^^ Sep 05 17:28:44 :P Sep 05 17:28:48 gentoo != rice Sep 05 17:29:19 hmm. havwe anyone installed g++ on their phone? Sep 05 17:29:50 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rcc3f0ae5b601 10/ (10 files): Initial import Sep 05 17:33:48 :D Sep 05 17:38:52 Kagee: i found a blog somewhere about g++ and the , but cannot find it atm :/ Sep 05 17:39:09 *and the FR Sep 05 17:39:14 i havet got any headers :-? Sep 05 17:39:23 iostream not found Sep 05 17:39:32 heh Sep 05 17:39:34 SICUS Sep 05 17:46:25 Dave: Well, I'm working on getting a buildhost up and more public. Sep 05 17:48:04 mjr, fair enough Sep 05 17:48:20 Can you get audio access to it? (could I play my favorite music directly into a phone call?) Sep 05 17:49:53 Dave: It may even be accessible from the New Yorks. Sep 05 17:51:48 :) Sep 05 17:51:55 Bricode, excellent! Sep 05 17:52:44 Dave: Am already compiling 2007.2 tree, looking at adding others, and putting them in a non-sucky directory format. Sep 05 17:53:31 :) Sep 05 17:53:32 yeah! Sep 05 17:53:57 Dave: Sidenote, what do you do for a living besides hang out here? Sep 05 17:54:17 heh Sep 05 17:54:21 I'll let you know in a bit :P Sep 05 17:54:36 It's kind of like ... you "working" at the south pole, if you catch my drift ;) Sep 05 17:55:09 Dave: Fair enough, but I'd be interesting in hearing about it some day. Sep 05 17:55:18 interested even. Sep 05 17:56:23 Certainly :) Sep 05 18:12:34 * KyleO just got his freerunner Sep 05 18:12:37 * KyleO luffs Sep 05 18:13:13 ;) Sep 05 18:13:30 * KyleO is in the process of flashing it Sep 05 18:13:30 :) Sep 05 18:13:47 It's too slow, I want to use it D= Sep 05 18:13:58 If I had the money and it had EDGE Sep 05 18:14:04 and a camera Sep 05 18:14:09 I'd be all over that shit Sep 05 18:14:10 hah Sep 05 18:14:44 Well, I figure a 14 day grace return period is long enough for me to decide if it's worth it Sep 05 18:15:14 brokenmoko Sep 05 18:16:29 lol Sep 05 18:16:34 hai Sep 05 18:16:37 talking about brokenmoko Sep 05 18:16:41 anyone wants to buy mine? Sep 05 18:16:49 50$! Sep 05 18:17:10 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180285661027 Sep 05 18:17:19 Installing kernel image and modules Sep 05 18:17:19 * Dowloading kernel image Sep 05 18:17:21 wget: bad address 'downloads.openmoko.org' Sep 05 18:18:35 :O Sep 05 18:18:39 omgwtfbbq Sep 05 18:18:41 I am currently updating with no problems Sep 05 18:18:45 define brokenmoko Sep 05 18:18:58 here downloads.openmoko.org is resolved Sep 05 18:19:29 phrozen, you're selling yours? Sep 05 18:20:04 Dave, yup Sep 05 18:20:09 im sick of it Sep 05 18:20:23 it, or the lack of working software? Sep 05 18:20:31 slaxxin: add http:// Sep 05 18:20:45 and the hardware that displays behaviour that was unacceptable 1995 already Sep 05 18:21:01 error with I have some problem with Raster's keyboard on om2008-update: error collect with opkg install illume-config-illume Sep 05 18:22:01 phrozen, haha Sep 05 18:22:09 im srs Sep 05 18:22:14 phrozen, hoping to buy an iphone? Sep 05 18:22:26 i did already Sep 05 18:22:32 just waiting for it to get shipped Sep 05 18:22:43 already got a bootload of pirated apps waiting :P Sep 05 18:22:56 Doesn't have to be an iphone to beat the freerunner. Any old $20 junker can make calls and charge the battery correctly. Sep 05 18:23:41 yeah, but can any $20 junker....eeeuh...help me out here guys... :) Sep 05 18:23:49 phrozen, hahaha Sep 05 18:23:53 ass Sep 05 18:23:58 Zorkman, fail like the FR? Sep 05 18:23:58 no Sep 05 18:23:58 Zorkman: panic the kernel? Sep 05 18:23:59 Zorkman: poke in the krenel! Sep 05 18:24:05 absolutely positively NO Sep 05 18:24:06 mwester: depends on what way you are comparing them. In many ways no phone can compete to freerunner.. :) Sep 05 18:24:16 zorkman, but can it please your girlfriend? :D Sep 05 18:24:24 ha HA! Sep 05 18:24:31 snp: Yep. I've never seen a phone that's so poorly understood even by its manufacturer. Sep 05 18:24:33 Dave: no, but it CAN annoy her :D Sep 05 18:24:45 :D Sep 05 18:24:47 Dave: spraypaint the plastic pink Sep 05 18:24:51 then girls will love it Sep 05 18:24:51 lol Sep 05 18:24:52 HOT Sep 05 18:24:54 :D Sep 05 18:24:57 I'll get right on it! Sep 05 18:24:59 that'll boost the WAF by 200% Sep 05 18:25:06 mwester: I think you missunderstood me, I meant in a FOSS way. Sep 05 18:25:11 I need a 101 to mailing lists. Anyone? Sep 05 18:25:23 Don't forget to stick the little plastic jewels all over the pink painted case, too. Sep 05 18:25:40 I mean, why buy an iPhone if you have to jailbreak it in order to actually fully use it? That's wrong IMO.. Sep 05 18:25:48 hm Sep 05 18:25:54 thats no different than the fr Sep 05 18:26:00 but, it is! Sep 05 18:26:06 Kagee: have a seat, how can I help you? Sep 05 18:26:06 you also do need to do a SHITLOAD of things to it to barely work Sep 05 18:26:36 phrozen, all you've done since day one is complain, and make us hold your hand. Sep 05 18:26:41 phrozen77_: I guess you didn't read, or didn't believe, the developers only warning? Sep 05 18:26:44 I rest my case Sep 05 18:26:56 Kagee: mailing lists: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ ..and.. https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support Sep 05 18:26:57 huhu Sep 05 18:27:05 sicu =) Sep 05 18:27:09 I do agree that there are a lot of things wrong, and movement is not nearly as fast as it needs to be Sep 05 18:27:11 whatever, i'll be more than happy if stuff gets sorted out to an acceptable level Sep 05 18:27:20 but, everyone who bought one was amply warned Sep 05 18:27:25 to give it one more chance* Sep 05 18:27:54 Zorkman, sicu, i know where they are, i'm subscribed, and i've read them, but never posted to one Sep 05 18:28:24 Kagee: Just send an email to the list address Sep 05 18:28:37 The same one you see in everyone's 'To:' Sep 05 18:29:08 and if i want to answer ? Sep 05 18:29:33 Or just hit reply to one of the existing list emails and edit the subject & content, then ignore all the griping about how you screwed up the reply-to id & the mail threading Sep 05 18:29:43 Kagee: Just reply to all, as normal Sep 05 18:30:19 with or without Re: ? (reply) Sep 05 18:30:20 okay Sep 05 18:30:21 So Sep 05 18:30:33 From what I understand, people apparently bought phones with no idea what they were getting into, hoping for a Linux iPhone Sep 05 18:30:39 That was complete and ready to go Sep 05 18:30:40 Correct? Sep 05 18:30:52 FxChiP: not me Sep 05 18:31:27 Kagee: With, if you're replying, although that's not terribly important Sep 05 18:31:27 Kagee: with Re: and the topic you're replying to Sep 05 18:31:37 FxChiP: Well, I think it's a mix Sep 05 18:31:45 (By the way: bragging about your pirated apps is a quick way to lose any respect you might've had) Sep 05 18:31:50 or what wurp said :p Sep 05 18:31:57 :p Sep 05 18:32:25 Of people who didn't really understand the degree to which it is a developer's phone (not suitable for daily use unless you can tolerate 6 hr max life and possibly losing 20% of incoming calls) Sep 05 18:32:26 looks to me like dave need a slap :p Sep 05 18:32:58 but i'm too tired Sep 05 18:33:02 and people who are frustrated because the list of problems seems very surmountable, but seems to shift around instead of actually improving in a consistent way Sep 05 18:33:05 -_- Sep 05 18:33:23 wurp2|working: There's the time factor as well. I don't think anyone expected so amazingly little progress in so incredibly much time. Sep 05 18:33:25 i love my FR, best phone i ever had Sep 05 18:33:34 mwester: Yeah, that's what I really meant by the last comment Sep 05 18:33:48 sicu: what software image do you use? Sep 05 18:33:59 Well, at least the second one I can understand. Sep 05 18:34:02 Some problems have been there forever, and go away for a couple of weeks then come back Sep 05 18:34:07 snakker du til meg!? Sep 05 18:34:08 2007.2 until further notice Sep 05 18:34:30 And others have been there forever, and there are workarounds that are a pain and never seem to get consistently pulled into a full release Sep 05 18:34:35 Dave, probaly not Sep 05 18:34:45 What annoys me is the attention that Om is paying to "window-dressing", while fundamentals such as suspend/resume and basic GSM calling handling are totally forgotten, and left to the community (who has no access to the proprietary docs required to solve those issues). Sep 05 18:34:51 Dave: norks? Sep 05 18:34:55 Dave: norsk.. Sep 05 18:34:59 ja Sep 05 18:35:01 mwester: agreed entirely Sep 05 18:35:06 Dave: okej :) Sep 05 18:35:11 Kagee :D Sep 05 18:35:17 snp: #openmoko-no Sep 05 18:35:19 mwester: agreed Sep 05 18:35:20 jajaja snakker! Sep 05 18:35:25 sicu! Sep 05 18:35:28 nooooooooooooo Sep 05 18:35:41 haha Sep 05 18:35:42 Makes sense. Sep 05 18:35:57 Battery having to be charged in order to be charged Sep 05 18:36:02 = *what* Sep 05 18:36:05 My SD was fixed when i got it, and now i echofree-ish, and leaving for my cottage w/wall charger and crossed fingers Sep 05 18:36:10 wtfparadoxes! Sep 05 18:36:11 :D Sep 05 18:36:21 and yet it exists in FR Sep 05 18:36:23 Kagee :D Sep 05 18:36:36 So... yeah, it'd be hella-nice if they'd fix that and the other shit Sep 05 18:36:47 Is there a solution to fast charging FR from non-OM chargers? Sep 05 18:36:53 Or, do people care about it? Sep 05 18:36:55 wurp2|working, try an iPhone charger Sep 05 18:37:01 heh Sep 05 18:37:01 5V output, takes a USB cable Sep 05 18:37:03 awesome Sep 05 18:37:08 I heard it might work somewhere :p Sep 05 18:37:12 FxChiP: I have a gta01, and I have a charger solution (fastChargeChecker) Sep 05 18:37:32 I'm wondering if I should fix it to work on FR sooner rather than later Sep 05 18:37:40 (it == fastChargeChecker) Sep 05 18:37:41 wurp2|working, it's software-controllable, I think someone's program here had an UI for it as well... Sep 05 18:37:44 wurp2|working: isn't there a software solution? Sep 05 18:38:05 Kagee, mjr: I guess that's what I was asking Sep 05 18:38:10 * mjr wonders if it was ieatlint Sep 05 18:38:11 hm Sep 05 18:38:18 FFC is a little nicer than the typical sw solutions I've seen Sep 05 18:38:19 wasnt fastcharging an option in qtopia? Sep 05 18:38:23 havent tried it though Sep 05 18:38:24 wurp2|working the Qtopia image has a "gui" for it (activete fast charging) Sep 05 18:38:27 that's what my fuzzy recollection guesses, anyway Sep 05 18:38:33 phrozen77_, yes Sep 05 18:38:39 It recognizes a slow charger and automatically pops up big-ass buttons asking if you want to switch to fast charge Sep 05 18:38:43 <|FiLiP|> yep, qtopia has a menu for fast charging Sep 05 18:38:46 mjr, it was me if it pissed people off Sep 05 18:38:53 what are you talking about? Sep 05 18:38:58 As opposed to you finding the app, starting it up, pushing a button, then shutting it down Sep 05 18:39:01 LINT! Sep 05 18:39:09 hey dave Sep 05 18:39:14 ieatlint, enabling fast charging on non-om chargers on fr Sep 05 18:39:28 ieatlint, somehow I've deluded myself into thinkin you had something for that Sep 05 18:39:42 FxChiP: check wiki! it'll work with sw switching Sep 05 18:39:49 nom nom chargers? :D Sep 05 18:39:54 JOERG :D Sep 05 18:40:02 5V, nom nom nom Sep 05 18:40:06 So the conclusion is that people are happy with the solutions they have? Sep 05 18:40:23 psh Sep 05 18:40:25 Needs more amperage! Sep 05 18:40:26 fix yours anyway Sep 05 18:40:36 * mjr is happy with the solution of charging either on the om charger or a computer... Sep 05 18:40:39 very happy, unpredictability makes life more interesting Sep 05 18:40:41 wouldn't hurt to have another when the others screw up Sep 05 18:40:58 FxChiP: yeah, I'm just feeling out the urgency Sep 05 18:41:07 Something I shoulda done a month ago, but I've been very busy having a life Sep 05 18:41:09 mjr, yeah, there is something Sep 05 18:41:10 :-/ Sep 05 18:41:12 * FxChiP nods Sep 05 18:41:17 ieatlint, well, tell it to wurp2|working Sep 05 18:41:18 mreh Sep 05 18:41:20 * mjr -> home Sep 05 18:41:36 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon is the binary of it Sep 05 18:41:48 it's written in c, precompiled, source at lint.devjavu.com Sep 05 18:42:45 ieatlint: Ah, so you already do it :-) Sep 05 18:43:31 MORE CODE PLEASE Sep 05 18:43:45 Dave, i try, but people keep distracting me Sep 05 18:43:50 ieatlint: looks like someone's gonna nab the best of batmon.py and battery.py: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/battery/ Sep 05 18:43:52 Lint give me some! Sep 05 18:43:57 they tend to be women.. Sep 05 18:44:21 ieatlint: Hrm, that looks like you run it explicitly, instead of it being a daemon Sep 05 18:44:57 :( Sep 05 18:45:03 damn women Sep 05 18:45:31 wurp2|working, of course Sep 05 18:45:52 Dave: there has to be women for you to damn them :p Sep 05 18:45:58 ieatlint: Why of course? I prefer mine, which sits in the background looking for slow chargers, then automatically asks you if you want to charge fast Sep 05 18:45:58 Indeed there are Sep 05 18:46:00 Many. Sep 05 18:46:03 because you can't just assume you can use the higher charge value Sep 05 18:46:10 I understand lint's plight. Sep 05 18:46:15 Right-o, that's why I ask :-) Sep 05 18:46:19 Hey =) Sep 05 18:46:22 It's very cumbersome to code when one sits down in your lap. Sep 05 18:46:23 JUCS Sep 05 18:46:28 DAVE :-) Sep 05 18:46:32 why would the debian install fail to download the kernel? Sep 05 18:46:32 :D Sep 05 18:46:43 well, my program is intended to be a patch solution for something that should later be integrated Sep 05 18:46:47 Anyone here who wants to play "Settlers II" with me? :-D Sep 05 18:47:01 and unless your program works on the fso framework... it may soon not be as useful :P Sep 05 18:47:05 Dave: =] Sep 05 18:47:07 ieatlint: Yeah, so was mine, when I wrote it 3-4 months ago :-O Sep 05 18:47:18 ieatlint: Easily enough converted Sep 05 18:47:26 wurp2|working, well then great :) Sep 05 18:47:31 i'm not competing with anyone Sep 05 18:47:44 jucs XD Sep 05 18:47:47 on the freerunner!? Sep 05 18:47:50 i am, but i'm loosing Sep 05 18:47:50 except this chinese dude who keeps calling me whitey... bastard is whiter than i am Sep 05 18:47:55 Me neither, I was just trying to see if the need was addressed... honestly, it sounds as if it is Sep 05 18:47:58 haha Sep 05 18:47:59 Dave: Unfortunately no :-( Sep 05 18:48:05 heh yeah Sep 05 18:48:15 I personally much prefer not having to start up an app, but if ppl are happy with what they have, I'm too lazy to fix mine Sep 05 18:48:18 for FR Sep 05 18:49:09 did somebody say beer? Sep 05 18:49:18 mmm, beer Sep 05 18:49:47 BEARS!? Sep 05 18:49:52 hah Sep 05 18:50:20 s/beer/deer/ Sep 05 18:50:20 ieatlint meant: mmm, deer Sep 05 18:50:42 hah Sep 05 18:50:47 apt: cheers Sep 05 18:50:48 happy christmahanakwanzakuh! Sep 05 18:50:48 Don't eat beef, eat deer! Sep 05 18:50:54 sicu :D Sep 05 18:51:15 hmm, happy whatnow.. Sep 05 18:51:51 eh? Sep 05 18:51:58 apt, god jul? Sep 05 18:52:51 anybody got navit speech working on FR ? Sep 05 18:53:36 anybody got anything working on the freerunner? Sep 05 18:53:47 heh, point taken Sep 05 18:54:21 :p Sep 05 18:55:20 well, i'm off ... time to go out on the town to have me some deer Sep 05 18:57:57 * mwester wishes sicu good luck with the hunting, and hopes he wears his reflective vest. Sep 05 19:00:41 Is there a program to connect the USB port to the modem? Sep 05 19:01:47 hello Sep 05 19:01:57 probably not out of the box, though mickey does forward the modem over the network for development Sep 05 19:02:31 that would require a usb gadget serial driver (probably available) and a simple serial port proxy thing (trivial to code) to do your way Sep 05 19:04:15 (one might also ask, what do you actually want) Sep 05 19:05:03 opkg -> An error ocurred, return value: 2. <- whats that, not found, etc ? Sep 05 19:06:33 mjr: What I actually want is to connect the phone to my laptop via USB and then use it like a cellular modem. I can do the same thing right now via Bluetooth but USB has advantages. Sep 05 19:11:35 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * rc597ec50f5a6 10/src/zhone: Whitespace fixes, remove tabs Sep 05 19:11:35 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * re8840228f0cf 10/src/zhone: Enable location dialog as soon as the GPS DBus object exists Sep 05 19:27:15 yea for FSO checkins. Sep 05 19:32:49 RayDar: why not just route IP packets over USB? Sep 05 19:32:59 RayDar: that is, why do you want to run pppd on your laptop and not neo? Sep 05 19:35:12 lindi-: I have a bigger screen and easier to use keyboard on my laptop. It makes using the Internet a whole lot more productive -- for example while I am the passenger in a car on a road trip. Sep 05 19:35:49 lindi-: Oh. I see what you mean. Sep 05 19:37:52 Indeed. Sep 05 19:39:13 also, you can use the tty-over-network redirector (I don't remember the name, ask mickey) if you really want a tty on the computer - that way you can skip configuring the neo to act as a tty device. (There are valid use cases for wanting to run pppd on the host, after all - like skipping NAT) Sep 05 19:40:43 mjr: apt-get install ser2net Sep 05 19:41:13 Ack. Something like that. Then bounce a muxer pty from that. Sep 05 19:42:24 mjr: Yeah, ser2net is what I would need on the laptop. phonebounce could be used on the phone side.... Sep 05 19:43:32 thanks guys! Sep 05 19:44:36 usually, 'course, nat from the phone is quite sufficient Sep 05 20:05:47 <|FiLiP|> lpotter ? you're a troll if i'm not mistaking Sep 05 20:06:36 heh Sep 05 20:07:25 <|FiLiP|> do you happen to know if the qtopia builds (native) use any glamo hardware accelerations ? Sep 05 20:09:03 |FiLiP|: I think he's now a noki'ite Sep 05 20:09:13 <|FiLiP|> indeed ;-) Sep 05 20:09:54 <|FiLiP|> I do like noki'ites as well, been to Tampere and Helsinki in the past, still got some contacts in there Sep 05 20:14:23 yaay, i got my FR today Sep 05 20:14:39 i wanna use gps and wifi, which image would you suggest? Sep 05 20:17:15 zlfita: well your options are : 2007.2 2008.8 or FSO all can technically do it :) Sep 05 20:17:29 <|FiLiP|> and qtopia Sep 05 20:17:32 I would work through them in that order Sep 05 20:17:51 |FiLiP|: I was leaving out qtopia as they wanted to use GPS Sep 05 20:17:58 zlfita: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target Sep 05 20:18:10 zlfita: might help .. not sure if it's up to date or not though Sep 05 20:18:13 i guess the device comes woth 2007.2 Sep 05 20:18:20 Tig|: What about debian? Can you not do gps on debian? Sep 05 20:18:21 s/woth/with Sep 05 20:18:42 wurp2|working: good point :) Sep 05 20:18:45 <|FiLiP|> http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner Sep 05 20:18:49 CVirus, thanks for the link Sep 05 20:18:52 behdad: hi Sep 05 20:19:19 hi Tm_T Sep 05 20:19:53 I believe you are our "dpi" defender among the other things Sep 05 20:20:06 That "features by distribution" chart favors debian a bit... Sep 05 20:20:27 Are there any debian users in here? What are the big drawbacks? Sep 05 20:20:28 seems so Sep 05 20:20:40 (debian on the neo, of course) Sep 05 20:20:55 Big. Sep 05 20:21:02 <|FiLiP|> as far as i know, it needs a lot space (doesn't fit on nand) Sep 05 20:21:09 I guess I see a lot of (1)s on the chart for debian (1: requires other apps installed) Sep 05 20:21:27 no problem as long it has da pack manager Sep 05 20:21:30 |FiLiP|: that sounds like a pretty minor drawback to me, if it's less than, say, 600mb Sep 05 20:21:35 <|FiLiP|> correct me if i'm wrong, but debian uses fso Sep 05 20:21:46 yes Sep 05 20:21:46 mwester: Big? Sep 05 20:21:57 <|FiLiP|> so i think you can use all the debian apps on fso as well Sep 05 20:22:02 Other than size, it's really a testimony to how little has actually been accomplished, that a generic distro has comparable features to any of the specific firmwares! Sep 05 20:22:09 |FiLiP|: Yeah, so lack of an address book that you can make calls from would be a drawback Sep 05 20:22:29 mwester: Sorry, 'Big' makes sense now :-) Sep 05 20:22:35 The lack of an address book is only a problem is you can make phone calls in the first place ;) Sep 05 20:22:51 mwester: Can't you make phone calls consistently from debian, via zhone? Sep 05 20:23:16 I can't make phone calls with *any* distro except the original 2007.2, with a hacked-up image. Sep 05 20:23:18 <|FiLiP|> from all my tests, the latest qtopia image is the most usable (20080902) Sep 05 20:23:27 mwester: Not even from e.g. FSO MS1? Sep 05 20:23:31 Nope. Sep 05 20:23:38 mwester: holy crap! Sep 05 20:23:45 Hi Sep 05 20:23:54 They just re-register with the network, regardless of which sim or network I use, over and over and over again. Sep 05 20:23:54 so I have the FreeRunner Sep 05 20:23:56 mwester: FSO worked great for me... 2007.2 works OK Sep 05 20:24:00 2007.2 distribution Sep 05 20:24:14 was using GPS Sep 05 20:24:25 Nobody has any clue what the issue is; it's been noted since the pre-release neos long over a year ago, but nobody can find how to fix the Calypso. Sep 05 20:24:27 It was working great seemed accurate Sep 05 20:24:28 mwester: So Qtopia fails for you, too? Sep 05 20:24:31 Yep Sep 05 20:24:48 I got into the office, and set my neo down Sep 05 20:24:50 mwester: Wow... I lose my cxn occasionally on 2007.2, but fso was rock solid for me Sep 05 20:24:56 suddenly, it flashed 290 Sep 05 20:25:03 I'm going 290 mph? Sep 05 20:25:05 mwester: at least until I started futzing with it, at which point I assumed I busted it Sep 05 20:25:15 then it flashed again, 342 Sep 05 20:25:32 apparently I found a way to jump around town at really high speeds Sep 05 20:25:51 one more thing, how do i flash this baby? Sep 05 20:25:51 but my neo was just sitting there Sep 05 20:26:17 mwester: Have you heard reports from other people having the same problem so consistently? Sep 05 20:26:25 'cause that's the first I've heard of it Sep 05 20:26:37 And I would be pretty pissed if it happened to me :-) Sep 05 20:26:38 has anyone else had this issue? Sep 05 20:26:52 MrSkittle: Not that I've heard of Sep 05 20:26:54 They're out there, but I haven't looked at it much since before the migration to Trac -- so the original ticket may not have even been migrated. Sep 05 20:27:32 mwester: Have you pushed OM to maybe exchange your neo & do diagnostics on the busted one? Sep 05 20:27:42 I'm waiting for *something* (anything!) to stabilize to the point where I can start debugging on my own. 2007.2 worked; there has to be some setting that tickles this bad behavior. Sep 05 20:27:45 somehow, i'd like to try frameworkd, but without removing neod... Sep 05 20:27:58 wurp2|working: I have two neos and a freerunner - they all do it. Sep 05 20:27:59 mwester: Isn't FSO stable enough to test on? Sep 05 20:28:15 I'll try to get another fix and see if it happens again Sep 05 20:28:26 mwester: Hrm... I do have an occasional problem with my neo, but it didn't seem as if it was like your problem Sep 05 20:28:32 it's possible that I just lost a signal from one of the sattelites and it borked Sep 05 20:28:43 Wonka: You can install frameworkd on 2007.2 Sep 05 20:28:53 there is a rather faraday-looking contraption out the window Sep 05 20:28:54 wurp2|working: from where? Sep 05 20:28:56 wurp2|working: Not last time I tried it; milestone 2 had some problem that made me try a later image, which didn't do anything at all. At that point I started working on the Freerunner "white screen of death" problem and left the SIM problem alone. Sep 05 20:29:00 Wonka: You have to shut down gsmd before you can use it Sep 05 20:29:16 wurp2|working: no problem, as there's no sim inserted atm Sep 05 20:29:19 it's supposed to be a window shader but it looks like something ment to jam communications. Sep 05 20:29:23 MrSkittle: I would expect you should get no valid data at all rather than such extreme wrong data. Sep 05 20:29:28 Wonka: agh, the fso repos... I think it's configured in FSO MS 2. I don't know what the repo address is or a better way to get it Sep 05 20:29:35 zlfita: search the wiki for flashing the fr, would give link but supposed to be watching a film am Sep 05 20:29:42 MrSkittle: Can you check your "dmesg" output to see if any serial port errors have been reported? Sep 05 20:30:02 MrSkittle: Never mind; if you are using an older image, the kernel won't be logging serial port errors :( Sep 05 20:30:10 mwester: I haven't tried MS2, but MS1 was happy-making. Sep 05 20:30:29 MS1 was the most encouraging image ever done for the Om hardwaer. Sep 05 20:30:45 mwester: oic Sep 05 20:30:46 anyway to add aim support to pidgin on openmoko? Sep 05 20:30:55 right now all i got is google talk, irc and i think jabber? Sep 05 20:31:01 wurp2|working: running a MS2+bearstech stuff and is not as polished it is lovely Sep 05 20:31:26 tkep: nose around the repo there are ipkgs for msn and aim Sep 05 20:31:31 tkep, there is a pidgin-aim or similar package Sep 05 20:31:38 awesome Sep 05 20:31:39 thanks :) Sep 05 20:31:46 this is neato Sep 05 20:31:56 pidgin is now telepathy/pibpurplebased Sep 05 20:33:40 opkg install libpurple-protocol-aim Sep 05 20:33:41 :) Sep 05 20:33:47 nothing a little grep couldn't find Sep 05 20:33:49 thanks guys Sep 05 20:33:54 any word on 2008.9? Sep 05 20:34:23 nooooooooo don't curse it by suggesting a release :) Sep 05 20:34:47 it has been mentioned by SMP though Sep 05 20:34:47 Tig|: I'm confused... it is not as polished, and it is lovely? Sep 05 20:34:57 hmmm. FSO MS3 is scheduled for today or tomorrow... *wait* Sep 05 20:35:04 wurp2|working: which? Sep 05 20:36:06 ah FSO is not as polished as FSO possibly which is a fair comment Sep 05 20:36:10 Tig|: You said "running a MS2+bearstech stuff and is not as polished it is lovely" Sep 05 20:36:14 Which I didn't understand Sep 05 20:36:17 ah Sep 05 20:36:40 sorry it is not a polished experience but it works and in the most part it is lovely :) Sep 05 20:36:50 OK, excellent Sep 05 20:36:52 swap a for as Sep 05 20:37:05 with the small niggle of sms Sep 05 20:39:10 Tig|: The sms issue is that there's no notification? Sep 05 20:39:29 hi Sep 05 20:39:42 whats up# Sep 05 20:39:53 yeah and that as a daily usage it is is not really usable Sep 05 20:40:03 hello??? Sep 05 20:40:11 xdanielsx_: 'ning Sep 05 20:40:48 wurp2|working: mind you the FSO image is a demo/testing environment Sep 05 20:40:58 Tig|: Yeah, I know Sep 05 20:41:22 So no one here is running debian? Sep 05 20:41:50 wurp2|working: #openmoko-debian Sep 05 20:41:53 Or at least, no one who's still awake Sep 05 20:41:58 Zorkman: Oh. Thanks! Sep 05 20:42:07 np, it's free Sep 05 20:42:31 <|FiLiP|> free as in beer ? Sep 05 20:42:40 NO. Sep 05 20:42:47 Debian royalties go to me. Sep 05 20:44:14 anyone running netbsd? Sep 05 20:44:33 jaj: heh :) Sep 05 20:45:14 jaj: shame really it is a bit of an end of an era :( Sep 05 20:46:02 Tig|: how do you mean? Sep 05 20:46:38 jaj: unless there are netbsd freerunners outthere? Sep 05 20:47:23 I would love to hear that there are :) Sep 05 20:48:13 Zorkman: Do people ever talk in #openmoko-debian ? :-) Sep 05 20:48:32 don't know, it's only the second or third time i've been there :) Sep 05 20:48:42 typed the address to check i wasn't telling lies to you :) Sep 05 20:48:42 wurp2|working: they are in a meeting :) Sep 05 20:48:50 mwester: mne used to reregister over and over, but it seems to be fixed for me now Sep 05 20:48:58 I'm pretty sure mentioning "this doesn't run netbsd" to the devs will be seen as a challenge :) Sep 05 20:49:04 [Bug] #1966: The qtopia addressbook does not provide a search bar ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1966 ) Sep 05 20:49:17 lpotter: I upgraded to the latest image as of a week ago (4.4), same problem. Sep 05 20:49:21 :( Sep 05 20:49:50 I have a totally offtopic question Sep 05 20:50:00 ASK Sep 05 20:50:08 YES Sep 05 20:50:14 My 7 yr old has been having a great time building little circuits in the electronics game in gcompris Sep 05 20:50:25 wurp2|working: is it the one about why brown cows eat green grass and give white milk? Sep 05 20:50:27 and he got electrocuted? Sep 05 20:50:36 Anyone know what the hell that's called? I'd like to find one that has more components than just the switches, batteries, and lights Sep 05 20:50:42 kirun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NetBSD Sep 05 20:50:42 * mwester rolls his eyes at Zorkman Sep 05 20:51:00 And I'd like to install it on my linux box... he's playing it on the XO Sep 05 20:51:02 Hmmm... Sep 05 20:51:19 er, I'd like to install it on my ubuntu desktop Sep 05 20:51:28 sudo apt-get install gcompris Sep 05 20:51:29 google was teh fail on this one Sep 05 20:51:40 And the balance in the universe is restored :) Sep 05 20:52:01 Yeah, I know how to install gcompris... but I'm almost certain there is a more advanced version of the app Sep 05 20:52:10 wurp2|working: qucs has all the components you need Sep 05 20:52:19 lindi-: Thank you! Sep 05 20:53:31 lindi-: OK, i think I actually did see that one... I'll see if I can get him interested in it Sep 05 20:53:32 wurp2|working: it usses gnucap for the simulation so you can define totally new ones too Sep 05 20:53:45 I was hoping for lights that light up like in the gcompris version Sep 05 20:54:10 Maybe I can define them using gnucap if I can't find them Sep 05 20:54:42 wurp2|working: ill tell you more when ihave real keyboard Sep 05 20:57:53 correct me but i think ubuntu is suuposed to detect an interface named usb0 when I plug usb cable with 2007.2 Sep 05 21:00:45 My distro no longer detects usb 0 either Sep 05 21:00:53 anyone know the module? Sep 05 21:01:16 g_ether, maybe Sep 05 21:01:18 zlfita: it does usually if not unplug and try again Sep 05 21:01:53 ok, lets see Sep 05 21:02:15 no such device Sep 05 21:02:32 usually it detects it and the network mangler helps out by routing all your traffic via it so you need to left click on NW and select your normal connection Sep 05 21:02:54 Torikun: on the openmoko or on your laptop/pc ? Sep 05 21:03:18 there it is Sep 05 21:03:48 where ? Sep 05 21:04:03 does the debian image really ship with all of the apps listed here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target Sep 05 21:04:17 or is it stuff available in the repos Sep 05 21:05:11 because the Yes(1) tag could be applied elsewhere pretty liberally :) Sep 05 21:05:33 HI all, does someon eknows where i can find more info on how to get om2008.8 working on qemu? Sep 05 21:06:40 Zilla: in what way? what steps have you done so far Sep 05 21:06:43 ? Sep 05 21:07:08 The new Microsoft /Seinfeld commercial sucks! Sep 05 21:07:08 did you start here ? : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu Sep 05 21:08:03 yes Sep 05 21:08:20 i downloaded a zip file (windows) Sep 05 21:08:46 but that thing has an pretty old software ;) Sep 05 21:10:07 hi everybody. I'm using 2008.8 and freerunner but I've been told that the microphone volume is low when talking, is there a fix? Sep 05 21:10:27 i downloaded the prebuild binaries from http://yorick.keymeulen.com/openmoko-emulator-bin-20070625.rar Sep 05 21:11:02 they are very old :) Sep 05 21:11:11 I only uploaded them because someone asked for them Sep 05 21:11:33 well do you know how to set up 2008.8 in qemu? Sep 05 21:11:41 or an site with instructions ;) Sep 05 21:11:42 Zilla: no, sorry Sep 05 21:12:02 there is somewhere a blog like thing with instructions but I can't find it anymore Sep 05 21:12:57 is this normal?: Sep 05 21:13:05 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update Sep 05 21:13:05 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz Sep 05 21:13:05 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig Sep 05 21:13:05 Signature check failed Sep 05 21:13:05 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz Sep 05 21:13:07 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig Sep 05 21:13:09 Signature check failed Sep 05 21:13:12 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz Sep 05 21:13:14 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig Sep 05 21:13:17 Signature check failed Sep 05 21:13:26 zlfita: how about not pasting that to channel? ;) Sep 05 21:13:39 sorry Sep 05 21:13:41 use pastebin Sep 05 21:13:47 zlfita: and yes, that's normal Sep 05 21:13:56 Zilla: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu Sep 05 21:13:58 Zilla: signatures are not yet implemented Sep 05 21:14:17 qeand that means? signatures are not yet implemented.///// Sep 05 21:14:28 this is not qemu Sep 05 21:14:42 then how do i install new packages to a new FR? Sep 05 21:15:04 so i cant run 2008.8 in qemu ? :( Sep 05 21:15:28 Zilla: isn't qemu only hardware simulation? Sep 05 21:15:42 yes it is i suppose? Sep 05 21:16:17 Zilla: so how could userland software care? Sep 05 21:16:49 well i just want to try om2008.8 Sep 05 21:24:32 zlfita: with opkg install Sep 05 21:25:16 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r05e92352ad99 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Fixed NMEA latitude and longitude generation for negative values Sep 05 22:05:00 i am currently installing debian on my FR... Sep 05 22:06:42 is there any reason to have an extra partition for /boot? Sep 05 22:08:12 ugh, how do i disable the clicking sound on 2007? Sep 05 22:08:30 Wonka: if you have a large card it's not a good idea to have kernel far on it Sep 05 22:08:48 viq: good point Sep 05 22:09:06 viq: you can just rm it, if you like Sep 05 22:09:11 it's in something like /usr/share/sounds Sep 05 22:09:19 aaaargh. clicking sounds are a common problem on some ADSL2+ IADs at work... Sep 05 22:09:42 I don't like to rm stuff, I prefer to disable things so I can go back ;) Sep 05 22:09:50 viq: mv, then Sep 05 22:10:06 heh Sep 05 22:10:45 I was hoping more along the lines of echo dont_click > /proc/myprefs or > ~/.myconfig ;) Sep 05 22:11:12 there is some config file somewhere Sep 05 22:11:16 am just searching Sep 05 22:11:24 /etc/pulse/session Sep 05 22:11:51 comment out this line: Sep 05 22:11:52 load-sample touchscreen /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav Sep 05 22:12:47 thanks Sep 05 22:15:08 Has anybody built "ASU" lately? I seeing build troubles with qtopia-phone-x11. Sep 05 22:15:18 nope. Sep 05 22:15:30 the linker does not find "Xext" Sep 05 22:18:17 libxext has been built succesfully though. Sep 05 22:24:00 Hello all... just a quick question Sep 05 22:24:38 Has the 2008.8 a qwerty keyboard? Sep 05 22:24:39 RXShorty: oh dear, one of those :) go on then :) Sep 05 22:24:46 hehehe Sep 05 22:25:02 Because I can't figure out how that default keyboard works... Sep 05 22:25:15 RXShorty it is possible to install one Sep 05 22:25:21 hmm ok Sep 05 22:25:26 RXShorty, You may install a different, more sensible keyboard. Sep 05 22:25:32 but how to do that using the default keyboard Sep 05 22:25:43 i don't have SSH I want to connect to my wireless Sep 05 22:25:48 but that keyboard... Sep 05 22:26:05 RXShorty: have a read here :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate Sep 05 22:26:29 it explains all Sep 05 22:26:37 going to check Tigl Sep 05 22:26:38 thanks Sep 05 22:33:04 Seems like commit http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commit;h=8d8376fdeb85349d8948b928029706c2d1c7cd6e is breaking the build. Sep 05 22:58:16 Reverting that commit still gives the same linker error. Sep 05 23:31:16 8-) Sep 05 23:38:38 whats the battery life like on the neo freerunner at present? Sep 05 23:38:53 depends Sep 05 23:38:58 on what you are running Sep 05 23:39:12 Qtopia on my phone runs for about 7 till 8 hours Sep 05 23:39:16 then it is pretty empty Sep 05 23:40:05 any hopes of a better battery life in the future? any plans? Sep 05 23:40:12 well yes Sep 05 23:40:27 the battery life is still a big issue Sep 05 23:41:10 but software changes surely cant make much of a difference? Sep 05 23:41:17 jonsmith1982 check it out: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Sep 05 23:41:30 it surely can yes, it is all still pretty heavy Sep 05 23:41:36 so much processor usage etc Sep 05 23:42:31 Battery life is a sftware thing almost totally. Sep 05 23:43:06 considering it has from what i hear a great power management unit Sep 05 23:43:13 From reasonable extrapolations, it looks like on the order of 20h mp3 playing, 4-6 hours on a call, and a week standby should be completely possible. Sep 05 23:43:20 The PMU isn't. Sep 05 23:43:29 but getting everything to work together.... is a different story Sep 05 23:43:44 It's not really very involved with power managment paradoxically. Sep 05 23:43:52 Apart from the very lowest modes. Sep 05 23:43:53 really? Sep 05 23:44:20 It's more configuring stuff into low power modes, and setting up stuff so that it's in the same state when it comes back. Sep 05 23:44:46 The PMU is almost the easy bit - it's just several on/off switches. Sep 05 23:45:21 It's like cooking. You have on/off knobs - but the ingredients are the hard part. Sep 05 23:45:45 heh Sep 05 23:45:47 nice quote Sep 05 23:47:48 That was original. Sep 05 23:47:57 ahh Sep 05 23:48:01 nice to quote Sep 05 23:48:02 :) Sep 05 23:49:16 well got to go guys! Sep 05 23:49:19 Goodnight! Sep 05 23:56:56 I was missing some libs on the buildhost... Sep 05 23:58:05 Can somebody explain to me why building qtopia-phone-x11 in openembedded would need libraries from the host to link successfully? Sep 06 00:31:26 can i get a url for the best 2008.8 image? Sep 06 00:31:51 i've tried 2 images now and neither seemed good Sep 06 00:32:04 the first one had few icons, and the second had even less on the main screen Sep 06 00:32:08 just one "settings" Sep 06 00:59:27 hi Sep 06 01:00:27 raster: you around? Sep 06 01:01:08 no. i'm dead Sep 06 01:01:11 i ate myself Sep 06 01:01:16 aw Sep 06 01:01:31 anyways, i have a question about the illume keyboard Sep 06 01:01:50 is it possible somehow to set the default keyboard type? Sep 06 01:02:28 hmmm Sep 06 01:02:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb892e6784f7 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: [ffmpeg] SRCREV make it work with BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV Sep 06 01:02:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4378e81d6c95 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [linux-kaiser] Set a SRCREV for linux-kaiser Sep 06 01:02:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8c97f4eed06 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to a rev that exists now... Sep 06 01:02:37 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rffb30db91b16 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: [vlc-davinci] Fix the SRCREV usage Sep 06 01:02:39 not as such - no Sep 06 01:02:40 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9205901bac38 10/classes/base.bbclass: [base] Autodetect the SCM and add listing of git repositories Sep 06 01:02:51 it has no config it stores for type to use Sep 06 01:02:55 code could be added Sep 06 01:03:03 and what determines which would be shown? Sep 06 01:03:07 but there is none as such Sep 06 01:03:13 it just stays with whatever you used last Sep 06 01:03:17 (as long as it runs) Sep 06 01:03:20 ah i see Sep 06 01:03:28 on a reboot - well... it goes back to Default.kbd Sep 06 01:03:29 :) Sep 06 01:03:57 and if i only need one type is it possible to remove those two icons on the top? Sep 06 01:04:06 like they take up too much space Sep 06 01:04:19 the type selection and dict selection icon Sep 06 01:07:39 you need that region for the buffer when composing for the dictionary Sep 06 01:07:52 as such though those things are in the theme - it defines that layout Sep 06 01:08:07 the keyboard "Expects" those features to be there to attach configuration/actions to Sep 06 01:08:18 u can modify the them to remove it Sep 06 01:08:27 u will still have a blank spot for ths compose buffer Sep 06 01:08:36 u can remove that - though illume ASSUMES it Sep 06 01:08:36 where's that theme exactly? Sep 06 01:08:38 it doesnt check Sep 06 01:08:47 the illume.edj Sep 06 01:08:54 or whatever.edj file your e config says to use Sep 06 01:10:01 how do i edit that? Sep 06 01:10:28 edje_decc Sep 06 01:10:30 decompile it Sep 06 01:10:33 edit .edc file Sep 06 01:10:38 its fairly involved Sep 06 01:10:52 ok thx Sep 06 01:11:39 another question Sep 06 01:12:15 in minimo when clicking some toolbar buttons at the bottom the keyboard shows up Sep 06 01:12:22 any ideas how to prevent that? Sep 06 01:12:56 or is it possible to generally disable auto show? Sep 06 01:13:05 no code to disable it generally Sep 06 01:13:13 minimo sends a message to ask for the keyboard Sep 06 01:13:16 illume responds Sep 06 01:13:25 it doesn thave any config to go ingoring autoshow Sep 06 01:13:36 i see Sep 06 01:15:13 i have a TODO item for that Sep 06 01:15:18 i just dopnt have time now to look into it Sep 06 01:15:22 ok Sep 06 01:24:23 Hi guys Sep 06 01:25:44 Hi shaz Sep 06 01:34:35 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re05a36c5dba7 10/packages/ (14 files in 6 dirs): [PackageVersion] Remove the abuse from the PV variable Sep 06 01:34:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re88f00c21025 10/ (17 files in 12 dirs): [naming policy] If we build a specific revision from a SCM have a "r" after the SCM name Sep 06 01:36:41 Hi KenYoung Sep 06 01:37:39 I used latest qtopia image on qemu but it boots into but nothing works after getting the main screen Sep 06 01:38:11 How can I know what are the other latest and working snapshot/images Sep 06 01:44:23 I mean the main screen of Qtopia Sep 06 01:44:50 I click on buttons and here and there :) but it just responds with no activity Sep 06 01:54:40 r /etc/resolv.conf needs to be pointed at /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf Sep 06 01:54:50 how do i do that? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 06 02:59:57 2008