**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:57 2008
Sep 07 03:23:48 <ulix> hello
Sep 07 03:24:16 <ulix> does any one knows how to control the display dim time
Sep 07 03:24:24 <ulix> please
Sep 07 03:26:49 <ulix> alo
Sep 07 03:26:53 <ulix> does any one knows how to control the display dim time
Sep 07 03:26:53 <ulix> does any one knows how to control the display dim time
Sep 07 03:26:55 <ulix> does any one knows how to control the display dim time
Sep 07 03:27:06 <Sargun_Screen> no
Sep 07 03:27:33 <ulix> woo
Sep 07 03:27:40 <ulix> ok
Sep 07 03:27:46 <Sargun_Screen> sorry
Sep 07 03:28:15 <ulix> the screen is draining the battery
Sep 07 03:28:29 <Sargun_Screen> yaeh
Sep 07 03:34:28 <slaxxin> ULIX WHICH OS U RUNNING ON?
Sep 07 03:34:41 <slaxxin> wake     up
Sep 07 03:40:32 <ulix> i'm running om2007
Sep 07 03:40:37 <ulix> i'm running om2007.2
Sep 07 03:40:44 <ulix> the first
Sep 07 03:41:18 <ulix> hey I was waching the hurracainslaxxin 
Sep 07 03:41:34 <ulix> alo
Sep 07 03:41:38 <ulix> dam it 
Sep 07 03:41:49 <ulix> i went to eat dinner
Sep 07 03:51:16 <ulix> slaxxin
Sep 07 03:51:19 <ulix> are you there
Sep 07 03:51:33 <Sargun_Screen> nope.
Sep 07 03:52:36 <slaxxin> yup
Sep 07 03:53:08 <ulix> soo
Sep 07 03:53:08 <slaxxin> been so long i cant remember
Sep 07 03:53:13 <ulix> jeje
Sep 07 03:53:15 <ulix> bs
Sep 07 03:53:32 <slaxxin>  aux button  sets?
Sep 07 03:53:35 <ulix> do you have any idea
Sep 07 03:54:31 <ulix> well it set the screen orientation
Sep 07 03:54:57 <ulix> but I have no idea how to control the display shutoff time
Sep 07 03:54:59 <slaxxin> the power button maybe
Sep 07 03:55:23 <slaxxin> it should be in applications
Sep 07 03:56:19 <slaxxin> y dont u get 2008.8?
Sep 07 03:56:26 <ulix> no nothing there that I know off, I gess is something related with gconf-tool or dbus
Sep 07 03:57:36 <ulix> to slow 
Sep 07 03:57:46 <ulix> to slow for me 
Sep 07 03:58:11 <slaxxin> i turned off the animation an its ok
Sep 07 03:58:19 <ulix> aja
Sep 07 03:58:27 <ulix> tell me more
Sep 07 03:58:37 <slaxxin> im a noob
Sep 07 03:58:55 <slaxxin>  but i have installed a lot of times
Sep 07 03:59:27 <slaxxin>  now i have debian on sdcard which i am really liking
Sep 07 03:59:56 <slaxxin> seems to work well
Sep 07 04:00:15 <ulix> oo
Sep 07 04:00:51 <slaxxin> didnt stop working for 2 days now
Sep 07 04:00:55 <ulix> you are tellingme that debian in the SD  is more stable than the 0m2997
Sep 07 04:01:05 <ulix> owesome
Sep 07 04:01:06 <slaxxin> i think so
Sep 07 04:01:25 <slaxxin> battery was  lasted longer
Sep 07 04:01:33 <ulix> how big is your sd card
Sep 07 04:01:48 <slaxxin> but i dont do any hacking or stuff
Sep 07 04:01:55 <slaxxin> 2g
Sep 07 04:02:17 <slaxxin> im thinking of having 4 2gig cards
Sep 07 04:02:43 <slaxxin> so i can switch instead of flash
Sep 07 04:02:59 <ulix> interesting
Sep 07 04:04:04 <slaxxin> so u put 2007.02 back on because of stability?
Sep 07 04:04:25 <ulix> no because it was faster than 2008
Sep 07 04:04:58 <slaxxin> did u use debian?
Sep 07 04:05:13 <ulix> debian was not ready in that time
Sep 07 04:05:29 <ulix> i thik ill try debian 
Sep 07 04:05:41 <slaxxin> i need some debian help  i cant seem to get X started
Sep 07 04:05:53 <slaxxin> i did startx
Sep 07 04:06:03 <slaxxin> an got some errors
Sep 07 04:06:38 <ulix> i will jump right now on debian but I need to get a bigger sd card
Sep 07 04:06:53 <ulix> and besides i'm not im my house
Sep 07 04:07:10 <slaxxin>  its been working since  2 days
Sep 07 04:07:18 <ulix>  but i tell you somethin it on my schedule now
Sep 07 04:07:47 <ulix>  you can make and receive call
Sep 07 04:07:56 <ulix> s
Sep 07 04:07:59 <ulix>  you can make and receive calls
Sep 07 04:08:05 <slaxxin> i want to find somebody who can port slackware to the openmoko   because slack is real fast
Sep 07 04:08:18 <slaxxin> yes 
Sep 07 04:08:31 <slaxxin> sound hasnt quit yet
Sep 07 04:08:40 <slaxxin> which is odd
Sep 07 04:09:09 <slaxxin> on all openmoko os  the sound has always broken
Sep 07 04:09:46 <ulix> but you can heard people speaking, dont you?
Sep 07 04:10:04 <slaxxin>  yes with no problems at all
Sep 07 04:10:19 <slaxxin> running from sdcard
Sep 07 04:10:39 <hil__> hi all. i have a question. I have made openmoko-devel-image. I have all the images. When I try to 'make run-qemu-local' to use these images, I get this error: ls: cannot access /home/hil/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin. The file doesn't exist. When I copy it there from build/tmp/deploy/... , and rerun run-qemu-local, it get deleted. What am I doing wrong? 
Sep 07 04:10:40 <ulix> so you mean when you try to play mp3s the sound is really bad
Sep 07 04:11:15 <slaxxin> havent tried
Sep 07 04:11:20 <ulix> hil__ dude you are wayy deper than me
Sep 07 04:11:23 <hil__> (er... that's qemu-local. not run-qemu-local) 
Sep 07 04:11:28 <ap02> I seem to be hitting 404 when installing packages...anyone else having the same problem?
Sep 07 04:11:52 <hil__> still not able to get it work properly :(
Sep 07 04:12:01 <ulix> ap02 check your /etc/resolv.conf
Sep 07 04:12:17 <slaxxin> for a public address
Sep 07 04:12:35 <ap02> it should be ok...it was set up by udhcpc
Sep 07 04:12:38 <hil__> ap02: i was having this problem. the configuration is tryin to read from buildhost.openmoko.org.. that has been changed to downloads.openmoko.org but I don't know how to change it 
Sep 07 04:13:04 <hil__> those files really are 404s ... try them in a browser 
Sep 07 04:13:16 <slaxxin> proly not good to install packages with wireless 
Sep 07 04:13:27 <hil__> so... anyone interested in helping me with the running qemu problem? :(
Sep 07 04:13:34 <ulix> hil__ dude you are wayy deper than me
Sep 07 04:13:55 <hil__> ulix: you aren't a bot, are you? :) 
Sep 07 04:13:57 <slaxxin> hulix u got a freerunner?
Sep 07 04:14:05 <ulix> yes
Sep 07 04:14:24 <slaxxin> connected with usb?
Sep 07 04:14:37 <slaxxin> ssh in?
Sep 07 04:14:39 <ap02> k
Sep 07 04:15:00 <ulix> yes
Sep 07 04:15:11 <ulix> why
Sep 07 04:15:23 <ulix> are you going to hack me?
Sep 07 04:15:23 <slaxxin> so i can hack?))
Sep 07 04:15:28 <slaxxin>   no 
Sep 07 04:15:31 <ulix> interesting
Sep 07 04:15:38 <slaxxin>   i cant
Sep 07 04:15:46 <ulix> try
Sep 07 04:16:12 <slaxxin> gps to?
Sep 07 04:16:27 <ulix> yep the gps is running 
Sep 07 04:16:44 <ulix> what do you need
Sep 07 04:17:08 <slaxxin> i get a bunch of people  on mine but i donrt have maps an such
Sep 07 04:17:24 <slaxxin> its fso on debian
Sep 07 04:17:43 <ulix> you try using tango gps, it work very well on the 2007
Sep 07 04:17:44 <slaxxin> maybe to install tango?
Sep 07 04:18:27 <slaxxin> i need to get the debian gui working thats what i need
Sep 07 04:18:56 <ulix> how can you make a phone call with out a gui
Sep 07 04:19:11 <slaxxin> it has zhone
Sep 07 04:19:16 <slaxxin> fso
Sep 07 04:19:21 <slaxxin>   did u try it
Sep 07 04:19:33 <ulix> zhone??
Sep 07 04:19:36 <slaxxin> comes with debian
Sep 07 04:20:19 <slaxxin> 4 icons ,m, blue,,    gps,phone,contacts,messeges
Sep 07 04:21:13 <slaxxin> u havent installed any other than 2007.2 rihgt?
Sep 07 04:21:21 <ulix> nop
Sep 07 04:21:24 <slaxxin> ok
Sep 07 04:21:34 <ulix> only 2007.2 an 2008.8
Sep 07 04:21:44 <slaxxin> lots of people have an then went back to that
Sep 07 04:21:48 <slaxxin> ok
Sep 07 04:22:18 <slaxxin> fso is pretty
Sep 07 04:22:57 <ulix> ok
Sep 07 04:23:12 <ulix> but in order to install zhone you need debian?
Sep 07 04:25:23 <ulix> alo
Sep 07 04:26:55 <ulix> ok i just asked the oracle about fso
Sep 07 04:26:59 <ulix> my bad
Sep 07 04:28:42 <ulix> well people well i'll see you latter 
Sep 07 04:34:09 <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. the gsm modem is attached via serial. (uart). hopefully this means i can reuse the port
Sep 07 04:37:34 <mwester> How so?
Sep 07 04:37:57 <slaxxin> http://www.hogsbreath.com/hogcam/stagecam.cfm
Sep 07 04:38:40 <Kamping_Kaiser> mwester, me? if i can aquire the pinout for the serialport it could be attched to pretty much any pcb going
Sep 07 04:38:43 <slaxxin> banjo in a rock band
Sep 07 04:40:06 <mwester> You would need access to the traces between the CPU and the GSM -- I'm not sure that those are on the debug connector on the GTA02, so you'll have to see if they are broken out to test pads to which you might be able to solder something.
Sep 07 04:40:42 <Kamping_Kaiser> mwester, the gsm modem is cnonected via a cable
Sep 07 04:41:20 <mwester> Er, don't think so.
Sep 07 04:42:14 <mwester> The GSM is in a sheilded can soldered to the PCB.
Sep 07 04:43:42 <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. thats not what it looks like from the photos.
Sep 07 04:44:29 <Kamping_Kaiser> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG
Sep 07 04:48:53 <mwester> That's a photo of the bare board, with no parts on it. 
Sep 07 04:49:21 <SpeedEvil> the debug port also has GSM serial
Sep 07 04:49:27 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
Sep 07 04:49:57 <SpeedEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: look at tehg debug port pinout on the wiki
Sep 07 04:50:02 <SpeedEvil> Kamping_Kaiser: it's got i2c/spi
Sep 07 04:50:08 * mwester didn't think so, from discusions with Andy and crew.
Sep 07 04:50:52 <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i'll wait until i have an FR to take apart and look agin
Sep 07 04:51:49 <SpeedEvil> But there are also solder points for some signals - I2C I think
Sep 07 04:52:38 <SpeedEvil> the debug connector is stupid though. You won't be able to find a matching cable, unless you meke it yourself.
Sep 07 04:52:52 <SpeedEvil> (which involves fine-pitch FPC manufacture)
Sep 07 04:53:40 <Kamping_Kaiser> ok :\
Sep 07 04:57:57 * mwester checks out the debug board schematic; it does not appear to have the GSM serial on the FPC connector (just the console, which is ttySAC2 and not the GSM on the Freerunner).
Sep 07 04:59:05 <SpeedEvil> K, sorry.
Sep 07 04:59:20 <SpeedEvil> I think you can flip it to GSM if you toggle something
Sep 07 04:59:30 <SpeedEvil> but I'd need to check that - I can't ATM.
Sep 07 05:00:04 * hil__ moves back to #openmoko
Sep 07 05:00:11 <hil__> I'm trying to run openmoko under qemu. I have openmoko-devel-image but after this, when I try to do a make qemu-local, it can't find the images. Is there someplace I can tell the scripts where to find the images? i do have the images in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/.. can someone please help 
Sep 07 05:01:36 <torindel> hil__: get to qemu top dir, and run "openmoko/qemu-auto.sh" (dont change dir)
Sep 07 05:01:37 * torindel yawns
Sep 07 05:02:03 <hil__> ok. lemme check this out. 
Sep 07 05:03:50 <hil__> torindel: i do have to "make qemu" first, right? 
Sep 07 05:04:06 <hil__> because without that, I don't have a qemu directory 
Sep 07 05:04:11 <torindel> yes
Sep 07 05:04:20 <hil__> alright. 
Sep 07 05:06:23 <hil__> ok. qemu-auto just started the same qtopia image.. not the image I built using openmoko-devel-image 
Sep 07 05:06:39 <hil__> and it's using gta01 everywhere. i have gta02 images in build/tmp .... 
Sep 07 05:07:47 <torindel> it will use gta01 images only
Sep 07 05:07:52 <hil__> :O 
Sep 07 05:07:57 <torindel> as gta02 support isnt complete
Sep 07 05:08:04 <hil__> so... does that mean I can't use qemu with gta02 
Sep 07 05:08:10 <torindel> (you have to use custom semi like gta02 kernels)
Sep 07 05:08:15 <hil__> ok. alright.
Sep 07 05:08:30 <hil__> so, do I just put the stuff in the SD card and boot in my device? 
Sep 07 05:08:49 <torindel> plus flash script always tryies to dl image not to use the one you build or not
Sep 07 05:08:51 <hil__> (i'd hate to lose my one and only Freerunner. I just got it :) 
Sep 07 05:09:23 <torindel> (check openmoko/flash.sh and download.sh or something like that in qemu root dir)
Sep 07 05:09:28 <hil__> hnn. i tried hacking my way in by providing it the images but of course that gave a kernel panic 
Sep 07 05:09:43 <hil__> yeah. just seen the scripts. they all have hardcorded gta01 names 
Sep 07 05:10:02 <hil__> thanks anyway. back to freerunner then :) 
Sep 07 05:10:38 <torindel> hil__: just backup what you got
Sep 07 05:10:58 <torindel> you wont lose it as you always got 2 uboots (nor and nand)
Sep 07 05:13:16 <hil__> hnn. got it. thanks for the help 
Sep 07 05:16:58 <undrwater> hrm...ftp.us.debian.org doesn't work...but ca does
Sep 07 05:18:28 <torindel> blame debian
Sep 07 05:20:30 <undrwater> i do...
Sep 07 05:21:31 <undrwater> bizarre tho
Sep 07 05:56:44 <ToOOot> How stable is Debian? Call + SMS (don't care about the rest for now)
Sep 07 05:57:10 * torindel uses gentoo
Sep 07 05:57:16 <undrwater> :P
Sep 07 05:57:19 <undrwater> :D
Sep 07 05:57:58 <ToOOot> is gentoo already working? 
Sep 07 05:58:13 <ToOOot> haven't seen reports on that
Sep 07 05:59:09 <ToOOot> I just need a working distro with reliable call + sms functionality
Sep 07 06:01:03 <lpotter> ude qtopia
Sep 07 06:01:06 <lpotter> use
Sep 07 06:01:49 <undrwater> yep
Sep 07 06:02:24 <undrwater> lpotter: question: is web browser using existing codebase, or something new?
Sep 07 06:02:36 <undrwater> *besides webkit
Sep 07 06:04:00 <ToOOot> qtopia 4.3.2 has sms problems and 4.3.3 is buggy as hell
Sep 07 06:05:49 <ToOOot> 4.3.3 has not been released officially yet. Still a snapshot, that's probably why it is so buggy. 
Sep 07 06:08:28 <undrwater> all the phone stuff has a similar code base...
Sep 07 06:08:36 <undrwater> except zhone, i think
Sep 07 06:09:34 <undrwater> and whatever 2007 was using
Sep 07 06:10:43 <ToOOot> besides the sms issue 4.3.2 was rock solid, so if they solve that at least you have a phone that kinda works. Never looked at zhone, will have to catch up. 
Sep 07 06:11:04 <undrwater> part of FSO
Sep 07 06:11:11 <undrwater> it's on debian too
Sep 07 06:11:19 <undrwater> but VERY unfiinshed
Sep 07 06:14:09 <ToOOot> some great initiatives, but really they should take care of the basics first. 
Sep 07 06:15:21 <mpr> "they"
Sep 07 06:16:13 <mpr> all except the official openmoko images are done on a volunteer basis, I don't think you have much say in what people should focus on when they're not getting paid
Sep 07 06:16:39 <undrwater> mpr: don't forget qtopia ;)
Sep 07 06:16:46 <undrwater> they get paid too
Sep 07 06:16:58 <ToOOot> yep, your right there. I stand corrected.. 
Sep 07 06:17:20 <mpr> do they get paid for freerunner stuff?
Sep 07 06:17:43 <mpr> or did you mean just generically "trolltech guys get paid by nokia"?
Sep 07 06:18:00 <undrwater> the latter
Sep 07 06:18:17 <undrwater> no idea if they get paid for FR stuff...but i'm guessing they do
Sep 07 06:20:33 <ToOOot> I'm sure they get paid to do that, but I don't think are getting any money from openmoko
Sep 07 06:20:56 <undrwater> i agree
Sep 07 06:28:22 <dbmoodb> got voip yet ?
Sep 07 06:36:27 <undrwater> i heard through debian some got it to work...problems with sound per usual
Sep 07 06:47:45 <lpotter> undrwater: it uses webkit and is just a simple example webbrowser
Sep 07 06:48:03 <lpotter> and yes. I do neo images at work
Sep 07 06:49:37 <undrwater> lpotter: thanks...one other question...will any of the devel on 4.4 be going to be portable to zaurus? or is it over between qt and z?
Sep 07 06:54:44 <dbmoodb> undrwater: i got debian but no sound recording.
Sep 07 06:55:10 <undrwater> dbmoodb: same here...
Sep 07 06:55:27 <undrwater> i don't have much time these days to scratch and claw
Sep 07 06:55:45 <undrwater> babies took up the scratch and claw time :I :)
Sep 07 07:07:59 <Infoport> hmm I wonder why GPG isnt in the repos?
Sep 07 07:08:22 <undrwater> pgp?
Sep 07 07:09:21 <Infoport> well PGP isnt really completely open, now they make restrictions about changing it. but there is an opensource equiv called GPG that is in most Linux distros
Sep 07 07:09:34 <Dave> Goodbye, gentlemen.
Sep 07 07:09:46 <Infoport> bye Dave!
Sep 07 07:11:10 <undrwater> have a good one
Sep 07 07:11:28 <Kamping_Kaiser> i love the irony of tools like GPG being "open source" and in "linux distros"
Sep 07 07:11:47 <undrwater> Kamping_Kaiser: explain the irony?
Sep 07 07:12:52 <Kamping_Kaiser> undrwater, the first G stands for GNU
Sep 07 07:12:55 <rwhitby> Infoport: the reason is because no-one has added it to task-openmoko-feed yet
Sep 07 07:13:54 <harnir> hello
Sep 07 07:14:57 <undrwater> Kamping_Kaiser: now i get it...but it still follows that kind of recursive language that linux loves anyway
Sep 07 07:15:56 <undrwater> harnir: evening...or whatever ;)
Sep 07 07:16:03 <rwhitby> actually, the recursive gnu acronyms predate linux
Sep 07 07:16:26 <Kamping_Kaiser> undrwater, hm?
Sep 07 07:16:32 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, oh, i see what he was saying *g*
Sep 07 07:17:08 <harnir> undrwater: morning, it's 9am here :-)
Sep 07 07:17:13 <undrwater> gnu is not unix
Sep 07 07:18:04 <undrwater> rwhitby: i figured that...but linux has kept it up
Sep 07 07:18:14 <undrwater> ugh...still not what i meant to say ;)
Sep 07 07:18:22 <undrwater> anyway...it's all good
Sep 07 07:18:26 <rwhitby> gnu started in 1984, linux started in 1991
Sep 07 07:19:00 <undrwater> rwhitby: yeah...i was aware of the history...but my brain isn't making good connections
Sep 07 07:19:07 <Infoport> Kamping_Kaiser I'm still not sure I see how it is ironic, still seems very open to me. PGP used to be nicer, but now they tell you not to distribute outside of the country (like "bad people" couldnt get it) and not to change stuff they have put in it. I still wish the PGP phone program was ported
Sep 07 07:19:08 * rwhitby wonders how many non-GNU (or non-GPL even) programs in Linux there really are.
Sep 07 07:19:19 <rwhitby> (programs that have recursive acronyms that is)
Sep 07 07:19:54 <rwhitby> my impression is that it's very much a GNU and GPL think, not a Linux thing.
Sep 07 07:20:02 <rwhitby> s/think/thing/
Sep 07 07:20:02 <apt> rwhitby meant: my impression is that it's very much a GNU and GPL thing, not a Linux thing.
Sep 07 07:20:05 <undrwater> you could be right
Sep 07 07:20:27 <rwhitby> and we all know the tension between GNU and Linux :-)
Sep 07 07:20:28 <Infoport> rwhitby how do things get into task-openmoko-feed?
Sep 07 07:20:38 <rwhitby> Infoport: someone with OE commit rights commits a change
Sep 07 07:20:41 <undrwater> i get the history every time i visit my father ;)
Sep 07 07:21:26 <undrwater> Kamping_Kaiser: linux is "bad people"...un-american, you know
Sep 07 07:21:38 <undrwater> terrorist OS
Sep 07 07:22:40 <rwhitby> Infoport: gnupg is in task-openmoko-feed already (http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/gnupg_1.4.2.2-r2_armv4t.ipk)
Sep 07 07:23:13 <rwhitby> undrwater: guess being un-american only really concerns those that are american :-)
Sep 07 07:23:24 <Kamping_Kaiser> unamerican works for me
Sep 07 07:24:04 <rwhitby> no if you said it was unaustralian, then there'd be a problem :-)
Sep 07 07:24:47 <Kamping_Kaiser> i'd be stuffed *g*
Sep 07 07:25:02 <undrwater> linux kills babies?
Sep 07 07:25:08 <undrwater> kicks dogs
Sep 07 07:25:11 <Kamping_Kaiser> undrwater, tbh, i'm not sure how much more american it could be, but thats a topic for a different channel
Sep 07 07:25:28 <undrwater> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed...
Sep 07 07:25:30 <Infoport> hehehe the American restrictions on encryption etc are just stupid-- like terrorists couldnt find guns unless you keep copies of TM-210 (tech manual on improvised munitions) off the internet
Sep 07 07:25:38 <rwhitby> quite american for a finnish invention ;-)
Sep 07 07:25:56 <dbmoodb> rwhitby: not australian. un-australian is what todaytorubbish calls things
Sep 07 07:26:16 <dbmoodb> no one uses it so please kill the phrase by not using it :)
Sep 07 07:26:28 <dbmoodb> (completly)
Sep 07 07:26:36 <rwhitby> dbmoodb: I was quoting from "The Castle", not TTN :-
Sep 07 07:26:41 <dbmoodb> OH.
Sep 07 07:26:48 <dbmoodb> -- very different.
Sep 07 07:27:06 <dbmoodb> "fair " ?
Sep 07 07:27:25 <rwhitby> tell em they're dreaming
Sep 07 07:28:39 <Infoport> KEnYoung are you counting stars by candlelight this evening?
Sep 07 07:35:53 <Infoport> anybody found a good use for Synergy? I have played with it before between laptop and desktop, and it was cool but didnt find a good use for it
Sep 07 07:39:15 <harnir> Infoport: writing on the phone from your regular keyboard
Sep 07 07:41:28 <Infoport> harnir I guess that is a benefit when it is hard to connect a keyboard directly (ugg. cant find usb adapters locally, all keyboards have large plugs)
Sep 07 07:41:51 <harnir> Infoport: yes, I have the same problem here :-)
Sep 07 07:42:32 <harnir> anc usb entry-entry cables are almost impossible to find, or even inexistent
Sep 07 07:46:47 <me> hi all
Sep 07 07:47:02 <me> news about om 2008.9?
Sep 07 07:47:48 <AntonTakk> crashed for me, otherwise it seemed fine
Sep 07 07:48:15 <me> but... it has been relased? oO
Sep 07 07:48:48 <Infoport> harnir, Cyberguys.com has female-female USB A connectors and some other USB adapters. That's my last choice, if another solution doesnt come up (like the Duraflex keyboards with mini-B, commissioned for Oxford Archeology)
Sep 07 07:48:55 <AntonTakk> assuming it is what is on downloads as 2008.8-update?
Sep 07 07:49:24 <Infoport> harnir with a female-female USB gender changer, other adapters get you there
Sep 07 07:50:38 <undrwater> has anyone tried the iRiver cable?
Sep 07 07:50:39 <Infoport> harnir actually, the basic "camera-cable" plus the F/F adapter would make a regular USB keyboard hook up
Sep 07 07:52:06 <Infoport> undrwater how is the iRiver cable configured?
Sep 07 07:55:38 <undrwater> Infoport: it's designed as a host cable...we used it for zaurus host cable
Sep 07 07:55:45 <undrwater> can't find mine...
Sep 07 07:55:52 <undrwater> otherwise i'd test it
Sep 07 07:55:56 <undrwater> but it's $5
Sep 07 07:58:40 <Infoport> undrwater maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones...does it look like the std "camera-cables" or does it have a different connector?
Sep 07 07:59:44 <me> trovato l'errore
Sep 07 07:59:46 <me> senza loggarmi
Sep 07 07:59:49 <undrwater> do you have a link?
Sep 07 08:00:04 <me> (sorry )
Sep 07 08:00:42 <Infoport> like this, or does it have a female-A end? http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?action=Showitem&partno=70566&rsite=f.70566
Sep 07 08:01:10 <undrwater> yes...female end
Sep 07 08:01:22 <undrwater> finding a link for you
Sep 07 08:02:18 <harnir> Infoport: yes. I even want to try and plug the Ethernet USB card, so I can work on cable networks on my job
Sep 07 08:03:43 <Infoport> finding a few articles on the iRiver and USB-on-the-Go...skimming...
Sep 07 08:09:51 <undrwater> finding it hard to find now...
Sep 07 08:10:04 <Infoport> here seems to be a reseller, although I'm going to look for somewhere that also has the F/F USB adapter
Sep 07 08:10:10 <Infoport> https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?products_id=141&osCsid=1cdd2e5630eed06c182de18220188139
Sep 07 08:12:20 <undrwater>  yeah...the iriver looked like that...but female A
Sep 07 08:12:46 <swc|666> fyi - the 5v usb power switch likes to _break_
Sep 07 08:14:36 <Infoport> oh wait, this was the cable (was on "related" items) https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?products_id=456&osCsid=1cdd2e5630eed06c182de18220188139
Sep 07 08:15:28 <undrwater> that looks like your cable ;)
Sep 07 08:24:27 <Infoport> are USB to RS-232 adapters usually $20, or can good ones be found more cheaply?
Sep 07 08:31:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03werner * r4632 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/ (scpinet/ usbtmc/): 
Sep 07 08:31:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: These programs are obsolete. All their code has been merged already a long
Sep 07 08:31:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: time ago into tmc and is maintained there.
Sep 07 08:38:16 <Infoport> I guess I'll order from Tech World (twstore.com), since they have a USBTOGO cable and a USB adapter A/F-toA/F
Sep 07 08:48:35 <NineX> Ave!
Sep 07 08:49:16 <Infoport> hmm... here is another small adapter for USB A/F to miniB/M host mode. says for "specialty host mode applications" but also says works with Nokia N800
Sep 07 08:49:19 <Infoport> http://store.yahoo.com/twstore/gcusbhost.html
Sep 07 09:10:46 <bartlomiej> 
Sep 07 09:21:28 <Weiss> yay - apart from occasionally not waking up from standby, GTA02+OM2008.8-update seems to be better as an everyday phone for me than my old brick
Sep 07 09:23:12 <dbmoodb> Weiss: what ? btw i have a question. can / is the idea to suspend any have the gsm module wake the phone up ... if so how is this done. is the gsm component turned on on suspend or ?
Sep 07 09:24:27 <Weiss> dbmoodb: yes, if it works properly the phone will wake up on a call or text. i don't know the details of how it works - it involves magic with interrupts and kernel stuff afaik
Sep 07 09:25:55 <dbmoodb> Weiss: tryed it ?
Sep 07 09:26:24 <Weiss> dbmoodb: yep, wake on calls and texts appears to work for me
Sep 07 09:26:35 <dbmoodb> in 2008 
Sep 07 09:26:50 <dbmoodb> ?....
Sep 07 09:26:59 <Weiss> yep, 20080904 rootfs to be precise
Sep 07 09:27:33 <dbmoodb> mmm i will link it up then they really should provide a terminal in 20-08.8
Sep 07 09:28:15 <dbmoodb> Weiss: so battery life must own
Sep 07 09:28:54 <Weiss> better than my old phone so far :) further testing is necessary though...
Sep 07 09:33:53 <dbmoodb> mmm interesting.
Sep 07 09:34:08 <Weiss> do you have one?
Sep 07 09:42:39 <[Rui]> hi, qtopia is not launching (no pin is asked, no qtopia app is launched)
Sep 07 09:42:57 <[Rui]> I installed the image drom 2008.9.1 and 2008.9.4 and both have this problem
Sep 07 09:43:14 <[Rui]> the only thing I installed after flashing, was the illume packages for the keyboard
Sep 07 09:43:18 <[Rui]> so it MAY be related...
Sep 07 09:44:08 <[Rui]> and I have a nice X screensaver :D
Sep 07 09:52:10 <ToOOot> [Rui]: I've had similar problems with the latest qtopia 4.3.3-snapshot. In my case the pin screen appeared for a very short while and then .. gone.  
Sep 07 09:52:28 <thomasgruebler> hello.
Sep 07 09:53:09 <tomboy64> does somebody know how intense the gps-signal must be to get a ff?
Sep 07 09:53:09 <thomasgruebler> i use gestures to change screen orientation with accelerometers. but my touchscreen doesn't work correctly with rotated screen
Sep 07 09:53:14 <thomasgruebler> its this problem: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td677542
Sep 07 09:53:33 <tomboy64> cause i have 8 satellites at just over -150dB
Sep 07 09:53:41 <thomasgruebler> i have the om 2008.8 distro
Sep 07 09:53:44 <tomboy64> dBm
Sep 07 09:53:44 <thomasgruebler> with updates
Sep 07 09:53:55 <tomboy64> but i get failed ^^
Sep 07 10:04:20 <[Rui]> ToOOot: I'm not using qtopia
Sep 07 10:13:48 <[Rui]> ah... I think I found out what happened
Sep 07 10:14:06 <[Rui]> it's no software installation, 89qtopia was chmod'ed 0644 and shoud be executable
Sep 07 10:16:58 <tomboy64> meh
Sep 07 10:17:04 <tomboy64> how do i get a keyboard in xterm?
Sep 07 10:17:42 <[Rui]> tomboy64: you mean a proper keyboard?
Sep 07 10:17:53 <dbmoodb> pinghow many damn module updates are there for the 2008.8 release ?
Sep 07 10:18:04 <tomboy64> i have raster's keyboard activated and the qtopia one disabled
Sep 07 10:18:10 <tomboy64> in om 08.08
Sep 07 10:18:29 <tomboy64> but i installed xterm now instead of the ugly om term
Sep 07 10:18:32 <[Rui]> tomboy64: if so, then you just tap the terminal area and the keyboard shows up
Sep 07 10:18:45 <[Rui]> tomboy64: ah, then there's your problem :)
Sep 07 10:18:57 <tomboy64> huh?
Sep 07 10:19:09 <tomboy64> raster's keyboard doesn't show then?
Sep 07 10:19:14 <tomboy64> meh
Sep 07 10:19:34 <[Rui]> tomboy64: xterm doesn't use the APIs that call for a keyboard
Sep 07 10:19:43 <[Rui]> tomboy64: quite naturally
Sep 07 10:19:45 <tomboy64> mhmm
Sep 07 10:19:47 <tomboy64> yeah
Sep 07 10:19:58 <dbmoodb> oh btw is is safe to update 2008.8 to latest updates ?
Sep 07 10:20:15 <tomboy64> dbmoodb: apart from phonecalls not working, it's quite fine for me
Sep 07 10:20:23 <dbmoodb> tomboy64: ?
Sep 07 10:20:36 <dbmoodb> really.... phone calls don't work...
Sep 07 10:20:40 <tomboy64> :-D
Sep 07 10:20:47 <dbmoodb> joke ?
Sep 07 10:20:58 <tomboy64> well, i can call ... i just can't talk.
Sep 07 10:21:05 <dbmoodb> rofl ? volume problems
Sep 07 10:21:09 <tomboy64> might be my provider though
Sep 07 10:21:16 <tomboy64> yeah, should dive into that later
Sep 07 10:21:33 <tomboy64> for now i'm busy with ui and gps
Sep 07 10:21:49 <dbmoodb> tomboy64: i take it , you could phone before?
Sep 07 10:22:06 <tomboy64> only got it last week, haven't had time to tinker around much
Sep 07 10:22:18 <tomboy64> so, no, i couldn't
Sep 07 10:35:13 <me> Hi all
Sep 07 10:37:29 <hipitihop> anyone know of a package like bsdgames (Ubuntu) which has some of tha classic old text games ?
Sep 07 10:40:07 <bumbl> nethack on the freerunner
Sep 07 10:42:07 <nomeata> hipitihop: bsdgames (http://packages.debian.org/sid/bsdgames) (SCNR)
Sep 07 10:43:39 <hipitihop> nomeata, that's the stuff, can I install this on 2008.8 ?
Sep 07 10:44:04 <nomeata> hipitihop: no, but on Debian. (I know, I’m not helpful)
Sep 07 10:44:08 <hipitihop> will opkg install a .deb package ?
Sep 07 10:44:46 <lindi-> hipitihop: you can install debian chroot easily
Sep 07 10:44:59 <hipitihop> nomeata, what would I need to be able to build my own from source ?
Sep 07 10:45:36 <lindi-> nomeata: btw, i've been thinking that i might want to have one main debian installation with only the minimal stuff and then one chroot for experimenting with things (installing X software usually will fetch quite large dependencies)
Sep 07 10:45:48 <lindi-> hipitihop: apt-get --build source bsdgames on a debian system?
Sep 07 10:46:05 <hipitihop> woul dI have to build/compile on the neo or is it better to setup some environment on my Ubuntu box to build such packages
Sep 07 10:46:24 <hipitihop> lindi-, I'm running 2008.8-updated no debian
Sep 07 10:46:39 <lindi-> hipitihop: well get a chroot
Sep 07 10:47:07 <hipitihop> lindi-, sorry I'm not sure what that means. I once used chroot to recover a system
Sep 07 10:47:09 <nomeata> lindi-: I’m fine with building it in qemubuilder, but so far I only build the small packages that are in the pkg-fso repository
Sep 07 10:47:53 <nomeata> hipitihop: you can also try to force http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/bsdgames/download on your system, opkg, or with ar and tar.
Sep 07 10:47:58 * nomeata → lunch
Sep 07 10:48:15 <lindi-> hipitihop: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian#Chroot_installation
Sep 07 10:51:19 <hipitihop> lindi-, interesting thanks, however I think I'm happy to setup whatever environment is required for me to generate proper packages. Is that what neometa is talking about (qemubuilder) ?
Sep 07 10:52:52 <lindi-> hipitihop: qemubuilder is for debian packages
Sep 07 10:52:59 <hipitihop> aah
Sep 07 10:53:47 <hipitihop> so what environments do people use to build the ipk files used by distros like 2008.8 ?
Sep 07 10:53:59 <lindi-> hipitihop: i have not been able to build 2008.8
Sep 07 11:17:16 <tuXXX> tslib prints "Unknown event type 0", maybe someone knows why?
Sep 07 11:18:21 <dbmoodb> hi ah is pulseaudio installed by default on 2008.8 now ?
Sep 07 11:18:44 <dbmoodb> and what is the terminal called for 2008.8
Sep 07 11:19:24 <harnir> openmoko-terminal2?
Sep 07 11:24:58 <Weiss> dbmoodb: i've been using xterm, having enabled the manual keyboard button
Sep 07 11:31:35 <tomboy64> is there a way i can replace the aux-button with "popup raster's keyboard" instead of lock in om2008.8?
Sep 07 11:31:50 <tomboy64> cause as it is right now, it's useless
Sep 07 11:32:06 <tomboy64> can't even use it for input in xterm/browser
Sep 07 11:34:28 <lindi-> tuXXX: what version of tslib?
Sep 07 11:34:37 <tuXXX> official 1.0
Sep 07 11:34:43 <tuXXX> should I try cvs?
Sep 07 11:36:47 <lindi-> tuXXX:  #define EV_SYN                  0x00
Sep 07 11:38:34 <lindi-> tuXXX: what's the value of i->using_syn in the end of check_fd?
Sep 07 11:39:07 <tuXXX> well, I don't know, how may I find that?
Sep 07 11:39:17 <lindi-> tuXXX: are you familiar with gdb?
Sep 07 11:39:45 <tuXXX> yes I know how it works
Sep 07 11:40:12 <lindi-> tuXXX: then just set breakpoint and print value of that expression?
Sep 07 11:40:27 <tuXXX> yes, I just have to install it
Sep 07 11:41:00 <lindi-> how else would you do development on the phone anyway? ;)
Sep 07 11:41:41 <tuXXX> It's booting only since yesterday evening ^^
Sep 07 11:45:44 <Bighead> Hy!! i try to run openmoko 2008.8 and qtopia from microsd. The kernel boots correctly but i have a kernel panic (no init found). Any suggestion, please
Sep 07 11:52:10 <enrico> I've just flashed with today's stable ASU, but opkg update fails: Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 404
Sep 07 11:52:31 <enrico> that, also for all, armv4t, neo1973 and om-gta02.  Indeed those files aren't there
Sep 07 11:53:55 <enrico> Am I the only one seeing this?  It seems to be a rather obvious glitch
Sep 07 11:54:06 <sylar91> hi, I want to install as second os openmoko 2008.8 or debian. which is the faster? I want to play games with it and to install funny apps :D
Sep 07 11:54:47 <lindi-> sylar91: faster?
Sep 07 11:55:07 <sylar91> yes, which is the faster? debian or om 2008?
Sep 07 11:55:13 <tuXXX> faster?
Sep 07 11:55:21 <sylar91> :A
Sep 07 11:55:23 <sylar91> *:S
Sep 07 11:55:39 <tuXXX> please define "faster"
Sep 07 11:56:05 <sylar91> better to play games :D
Sep 07 11:56:56 <tuXXX> it's more or less the same
Sep 07 11:57:09 <sylar91> also fso?à
Sep 07 11:57:12 <sylar91> *?
Sep 07 11:58:34 <lindi-> sylar91: huh? why would distro have anything to do with application performance?
Sep 07 11:59:17 <sylar91> om 2008.8 is relly too slow.. for example
Sep 07 11:59:46 <lindi-> sylar91: how do you measure it?
Sep 07 12:00:16 <sylar91> it takes 8 seconds to load an apps
Sep 07 12:00:23 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r29 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Align build with latest configuration for openmoko-base-image published by Julian Chu. Unfortunately, it's not buildable.
Sep 07 12:00:26 <sylar91> on qtopia it takes 2 seconds, or less
Sep 07 12:00:31 <lindi-> an app?
Sep 07 12:01:13 <rwhitby> sylar91: fso will be fastest, since it has the least stuff running
Sep 07 12:01:15 <sylar91> yes, an application
Sep 07 12:02:14 <lindi-> sylar91: even /bin/ls takes 8 seconds?
Sep 07 12:02:18 <rwhitby> debian will be next fastest, then 2007.2, then 2008.8 would be slowest.  None of that is measured, just my guess based on how much overhead is inherent in each distro.
Sep 07 12:02:59 <sylar91> lindi-: obviously no... but to start the dialer, sms, terminal, it takes a long
Sep 07 12:03:18 <tuXXX> sylar91: this is only loading time, not performance
Sep 07 12:03:32 <sylar91> yes, but the loading time is too long
Sep 07 12:04:01 <tuXXX> since Qtopia doesn't use X, and Qt is already loaded, it's fast
Sep 07 12:04:13 <tuXXX> sometimes it's even possible to run apps as plugins
Sep 07 12:04:13 <vililikku> does the neo 1973's gps work in the FSO distribution?
Sep 07 12:04:25 <rwhitby> vililikku: yes
Sep 07 12:04:30 <vililikku> okey good
Sep 07 12:04:41 <vililikku> i hope that milestone 3 will be out soon
Sep 07 12:05:07 <lindi-> rwhitby: doesn't FSO run matchbox-panel?
Sep 07 12:05:10 <rwhitby> you need to install gllin, and then there is an nmea parser which I made work
Sep 07 12:05:25 <rwhitby> lindi-: I don't think so.
Sep 07 12:05:35 <lindi-> rwhitby: at least something to switch between apps?
Sep 07 12:05:46 <rwhitby> it's runs raster's window manager
Sep 07 12:05:47 <lindi-> is that matchbox-launcher then?
Sep 07 12:06:46 <rwhitby> lindi-: why do you think fso runs any matchbox stuff?
Sep 07 12:07:56 <lindi-> doesn't seem to
Sep 07 12:09:05 <tuXXX> lindi-: i->using_syn is always 0
Sep 07 12:09:30 <rwhitby> lindi-: I believe it runs illume, with the freesmartphone theme
Sep 07 12:09:31 <lindi-> tuXXX: interesting
Sep 07 12:10:08 <tuXXX> and "bit" is 0
Sep 07 12:11:00 <rwhitby> lindi-: http://pastebin.ca/1196352 is output of ps -ef on gta01 running fso-testing
Sep 07 12:15:00 <lindi-> rwhitby: lots of processes :)
Sep 07 12:15:57 <lindi-> "by default" debian runs much less
Sep 07 12:18:25 <rwhitby> half of them are because of gllin unfortunately :-)
Sep 07 12:19:11 <Blastur> debian runs on openmoko now?
Sep 07 12:19:21 <rwhitby> but your point is a good one - debian with a lightweight window manager will probably be faster than fso
Sep 07 12:19:59 <rwhitby> Blastur: yep
Sep 07 12:20:33 <lindi-> Blastur: sure
Sep 07 12:21:15 <Blastur> also, what is the batterytime of freerunner nowadays?
Sep 07 12:21:49 <Blastur> (standby batterytime)
Sep 07 12:21:55 <Blastur> also, talktime if its known
Sep 07 12:22:30 <rwhitby> depends which of the fifty different distros you are running
Sep 07 12:24:48 <Blastur> well, the most common one then
Sep 07 12:24:56 <Blastur> or the worst and the best 
Sep 07 12:25:03 <Blastur> or an average
Sep 07 12:25:08 <Blastur> or whatever is available :)
Sep 07 12:27:17 <tuXXX> lindi-: I removed the test about "bit" and forced using_syn to 1, and now it's working perfectly
Sep 07 12:34:19 <faltantornillos> hello there. Do you know if there's any decent feed reader?, please. cause the openmoko-feedreader2 won't let me add, delete or modify the feeds
Sep 07 12:37:10 <fredrin> is it the same people that make the ASU and FSO distros? 
Sep 07 12:44:17 <ToOOot> Blastur: qtopia 4.3.2 has a very decent batterytime. With bluetooth off, 2 days was possible. Only problem is some sms messages didn't come through
Sep 07 12:46:19 <ToOOot> 4.3.3 is not ready for prime time yet. Too buggy, but I expect (hope) that one will become the first image that will make FR a usable phone. 
Sep 07 12:55:13 <malik1972> ToOOot: to buggy? details ...
Sep 07 13:01:10 <fredrin> is FSO MS3 out now?
Sep 07 13:01:46 <malik1972> http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/
Sep 07 13:02:25 <fredrin> mmmkay, no ms3 yet 
Sep 07 13:03:05 <ToOOot> malik1972: 1. incoming phone call volume too low 2. PIN screen on start up disappeared 3. worse batterytime, unreliable resume
Sep 07 13:03:28 <lindi-> malik1972: just sounds silly that you have to download completely new flash image just to get some phone software :/
Sep 07 13:04:16 <tomboy64> mhmm
Sep 07 13:04:35 <tomboy64> where can i tell my freerunner to accept ssh-connections from wifi?
Sep 07 13:04:45 <tomboy64> preferrably from a certain ip?
Sep 07 13:04:57 <lindi-> tomboy64: just configure ssh server?
Sep 07 13:05:14 <lindi-> tomboy64: should be the same as on your desktop?
Sep 07 13:05:31 <malik1972> ToOOot: 1 is true, you can change the gsmhandset.state file for that issue
Sep 07 13:05:52 <tomboy64> lindi-: nope. i use ssh on my desktop; freerunner sports dropbear.
Sep 07 13:06:25 <ToOOot> I know there is a workaround, but because of the other issues I didn't care for this image. 
Sep 07 13:06:40 <malik1972> ToOOot: 2. i dont have that issue .. 3. 2-3 days for me, resume is okay
Sep 07 13:07:21 <lindi-> tomboy64: you can install openssh to your freerunner too
Sep 07 13:07:50 <malik1972> lindi-: i backuped my home dir and some personal mods and did a reflash, its better than getting everything messed by opkg upgrade, for instance installing kernel in the nand without asking ...
Sep 07 13:08:12 <tomboy64> lindi-: what do i want with a full-featured ssh bloat? :-D
Sep 07 13:08:36 <lindi-> malik1972: still, as a concept it's very weird. imagine doing that on your desktop machine
Sep 07 13:08:52 <lindi-> tomboy64: configurability.
Sep 07 13:09:12 <malik1972> lindi-: i am doing that for release changes on my desktop:-)
Sep 07 13:09:41 <malik1972> lindi-: lpotter wanted to deliver an update script or something like that
Sep 07 13:10:14 <lindi-> package manager is there for that :)
Sep 07 13:10:15 <ToOOot> malik1972: Didn't come to life for me with the power button. Only after a call it came to life again, but the battery was almost empty after 12 hours
Sep 07 13:10:30 <tomboy64> well, i doubt dropbear is that unconfigurable
Sep 07 13:10:39 <malik1972> lindi-: and you can also do opkg upgrade for kernel + mods
Sep 07 13:10:49 <lindi-> tomboy64: but you are too much in a hurry to read the manual so openssh works better? ;)
Sep 07 13:11:00 <tomboy64> i can't find a manual :-S
Sep 07 13:11:03 <tomboy64> that's my problem
Sep 07 13:11:17 <malik1972> ToOOot: honestly i am happy with it as the alternatives are missing
Sep 07 13:11:32 <lindi-> tomboy64: "man dropbear" says "-p [address:]port"
Sep 07 13:12:09 <malik1972> ToOOot: i tested suspend/resume with sms/telephony and its the only distribution where it works
Sep 07 13:12:18 <tomboy64> heh
Sep 07 13:12:20 <tomboy64> ok
Sep 07 13:12:49 <ToOOot> malik1972: I'm glad you're happy with it :) I think I will wait for the official 4.3.3  Right now I'm using my old phone again. 
Sep 07 13:14:21 <malik1972> ToOOot: okay, now i understand you better, you compare it with the existing phones ...
Sep 07 13:15:11 <ToOOot> No, I compared it with 4.3.2. That worked better for me. Only issue was sms messages missing. 
Sep 07 13:16:53 <ToOOot> 4.3.3 snapshot would take care of the sms bug, but it just gave more problems. 
Sep 07 13:17:29 <ToOOot> how long does your battery last with 4.3.3?
Sep 07 13:19:32 <malik1972> ToOOot: i had problems in the beginning with the battery, you are right, but now they are gone
Sep 07 13:20:02 <malik1972> ToOOot: i did an opkg upgrade with the om download feeds
Sep 07 13:21:47 <malik1972> ToOOot: in the beginning i was also disappointed, for instance with the sound quality
Sep 07 13:24:37 <ToOOot> malik1972: Ok, that sounds good. I'm pretty sure the final 4.3.3 release will have the basic phone functionallity on board. I'm not in a hurry, my old phone still does the job.  
Sep 07 13:57:20 <emacsen> Is it possible to install Debian on the SD card on a working linux box, then install onto Freerunner?
Sep 07 13:57:41 <harnir> if you have SD card reader, than most probably
Sep 07 13:58:03 <emacsen> harnir, sorry, let me clarify "Are there instructions to"
Sep 07 13:58:23 <harnir> just untar the archive with the rootfs :-)
Sep 07 13:58:43 <harnir> and put uImage.bin on the first partition formatted as vfat
Sep 07 13:58:45 * emacsen looks for where the rootfs tarball is
Sep 07 13:59:14 <harnir> emacsen: there's a script on the OM wiki to install Debian
Sep 07 13:59:27 <harnir> emacsen: but I'm not sure if it will work out of the box on the desktop
Sep 07 13:59:31 <emacsen> Harnir, ok, I'll look more closely
Sep 07 13:59:37 <emacsen> no, I don't want it on the desktop
Sep 07 13:59:46 <emacsen> I just don't want to get networking on the Freerunner working
Sep 07 14:00:37 <emacsen> also, any clue as to how big the deb image is?
Sep 07 14:00:54 <emacsen> Can I use the 512mb SD card or do I need to get a larger sd card (1/2gb)
Sep 07 14:01:24 <harnir> I can do with 512 and base installe
Sep 07 14:01:28 <ab0oo> I'm using 647M on my deb install.
Sep 07 14:01:29 <harnir> ie, X, zhone, etc.
Sep 07 14:01:41 <ab0oo> but it CAN be done on the 512MB card
Sep 07 14:01:48 <ab0oo> I have all kinds of extra stuff on there
Sep 07 14:01:49 <emacsen> ab0oo, ouch, so I need a larger one, esp if I want to install some extra apps
Sep 07 14:01:50 <harnir> but if you will want more, you need bigger card
Sep 07 14:02:33 <ab0oo> I have XFCE, and some GTK libs, and python devel libs, and lord knows what else.
Sep 07 14:03:10 <emacsen> I'm looking at some of the networking guis
Sep 07 14:03:16 <emacsen> maybe something for GPS too
Sep 07 14:03:20 <ab0oo> there are none.  that I can find.
Sep 07 14:03:28 <emacsen> ab0oo, there are some mentioned on the wiki
Sep 07 14:03:35 <emacsen> they're all built on the python frameworks
Sep 07 14:03:41 <emacsen> and all a bit... immature
Sep 07 14:03:42 <ab0oo> i was hanging around, hoping to catch mickey to talk about dbus, hal, and network manager
Sep 07 14:03:50 <emacsen> ab0oo, what about it?
Sep 07 14:04:02 <ab0oo> I'd be willing to do the work, but I can't seem to get dbus to talk to NM
Sep 07 14:04:47 <ab0oo> but I'm walking all kinds of new territory:  I've never mucked with DBus, nor HAL, nor Python.  :)
Sep 07 14:05:20 <emacsen> None of them!?
Sep 07 14:05:44 <emacsen> well the Python bit is pretty easy if you've used any normal programming language
Sep 07 14:06:00 <ab0oo> I'm not a total n00b.  Just not used any of those specific technologies.
Sep 07 14:06:00 <emacsen> DBus is a bit odd, I'm still learning it
Sep 07 14:06:09 <emacsen> Dunno anything about Hal
Sep 07 14:06:17 <emacsen> what languages do you know?
Sep 07 14:06:42 <ab0oo> from my point of view, DBus just a message broker, which I'm VERY familiar with (I pay the house payment as a java programmer)
Sep 07 14:07:04 <ab0oo> and python... well, it looks like someone crashed a Perl truck into a Java truck.  :)
Sep 07 14:07:15 <emacsen> Ah, so Java.... Have you read the Python for Java people?
Sep 07 14:07:24 <emacsen> it will help you avoid a lot of mistakes Java people make in Python
Sep 07 14:07:33 <ab0oo> I bought my 12 year old "Python for Dummies", and she can code some interesting stuff already.
Sep 07 14:08:20 <emacsen> yes, thankfully Python's replaced the old "learn BASIC first"
Sep 07 14:08:38 <ab0oo> I just found "Python for Java People."  I'll go absorb that.
Sep 07 14:08:39 <emacsen> with Python you have fewer bad habitis to unlearn :)
Sep 07 14:08:56 <emacsen> http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html
Sep 07 14:08:57 <emacsen> that one?
Sep 07 14:09:18 <ab0oo> but mdbus gacks when it hits "mdbus -s org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"
Sep 07 14:09:36 <ab0oo> nope, this one:  http://www.cs.wlu.edu/~necaise/python/
Sep 07 14:09:42 <ab0oo> but now I have two to read.  :)
Sep 07 14:10:49 <emacsen> there's one other thing Java people need to get out of the habit of doing
Sep 07 14:10:50 <lindi-> emacsen: yes
Sep 07 14:11:01 <lindi-> emacsen: to < emacsen> Is it possible to install Debian on the SD card on a working linux box, then install onto Freerunner?
Sep 07 14:11:03 <emacsen> I've seen Java people code Python, ,they act like it's Java- ie write, run, test
Sep 07 14:11:35 <emacsen> better to play in the command line (what in Lisp we'd call the REPL, no idea what Pythonistas call it) and then cut and paste your code
Sep 07 14:12:01 <lindi-> emacsen: if only python had multiline readline
Sep 07 14:12:10 <emacsen> lindi, it does
Sep 07 14:12:24 <lindi-> really?
Sep 07 14:12:34 <ab0oo> I'm hoping my Perl roots will save me from making dumb java mistakes
Sep 07 14:12:46 <emacsen> well, sort of. You can use the normal python idioms of multiline with parens and backslashes
Sep 07 14:13:08 <emacsen> lindi, also people miss out by not using ipython for development
Sep 07 14:14:19 <emacsen> the python envrionment isn't as good as slime or whatever the smalltalk people used back in the day, but it beats the heck out of the write/compile/run/test methods
Sep 07 14:14:51 <lindi-> emacsen: speaking of slime, i still haven't figured out how to debug maxima with slime
Sep 07 14:14:55 <emacsen> ab0oo, Perl is one of the few languages I just don't like to touch
Sep 07 14:15:15 <emacsen> lindi- I don't know Maxima. I'm sorry
Sep 07 14:15:34 <emacsen> Python, Ruby, Lisp. I hear C# is nice too
Sep 07 14:16:15 <lindi-> emacsen: the thing is, you can debug any C application with gdb without having to know anything special about it. i think with maxima the problem is that i don't understand its buildsystem so that i could have it generate debugging information
Sep 07 14:17:18 <emacsen> I'm confused what that has to do with slime then
Sep 07 14:17:31 <emacsen> if it's a C application
Sep 07 14:17:33 <lindi-> emacsen: http://iki.fi/lindi/clisp/README has a minimal testcase that shows the problem (it does not involve maxima in any way)
Sep 07 14:17:38 <lindi-> emacsen: it's not
Sep 07 14:17:55 <emacsen> oh it's CL
Sep 07 14:18:03 <emacsen> or something CLish
Sep 07 14:18:56 <emacsen> anyway, going to shower then get an SD card for my phone
Sep 07 14:19:06 <emacsen> we'll see if I have time to install it
Sep 07 14:19:12 <lindi-> emacsen: common lisp yes
Sep 07 14:19:31 <lindi-> emacsen: isn't slime for common lisp?
Sep 07 14:25:44 <CVirus> Sean is hiring OpenGL devs
Sep 07 14:25:45 <CVirus> wtf
Sep 07 14:25:56 <tomboy64|dumb> :-D
Sep 07 14:27:00 <Mononoke> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmahut/2831197154/in/pool-fudconbrno/ -,-
Sep 07 14:30:22 <harnir> Mononoke: FreeRunner has becomed the ultimate geek device, no wonder it can be seen on many *cons these days :-)
Sep 07 14:32:04 <harnir> "Hey, what do you have, an iPhone? It's so 2007..." ;-)
Sep 07 14:43:39 <fredrin> harnir: it's not iPhone, but gayPhone :) *political uncorrect humor*
Sep 07 14:44:01 <CVirus> lol
Sep 07 14:51:54 <jucs> *gg*
Sep 07 14:52:54 <sirkha_top> so, i have been working on a proper looking modules diagram for illume, here is the illume desktop with the flame and snow modules enabled http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
Sep 07 14:53:18 <sirkha_top> s/diagram/dialog
Sep 07 14:53:31 <pabs3> um, bad link sirkha_top 
Sep 07 14:53:38 <sirkha_top> oops
Sep 07 14:54:12 <sirkha_top> http://imagebin.org/25909
Sep 07 14:56:16 <sirkha_top> http://imagebin.org/25910 the actual dialog
Sep 07 14:56:55 <CVirus> interesting
Sep 07 14:57:28 * pabs3 imagines bling would not be good for battery life
Sep 07 14:57:55 <sirkha_top> it won't work in xepher, no composting, or something
Sep 07 14:57:58 <CVirus> it's good for showing off
Sep 07 14:58:47 <harnir> how about a little darker wallpaper, so I can actually see something on the screen in illume? :-)
Sep 07 14:59:22 <sirkha_top> and aparently penguins are fireproof, heh
Sep 07 15:02:35 <pabs3> CVirus: that opengl post is probably related to GTA04?
Sep 07 15:02:52 <CVirus> who gives a flying fudge ... we want reliable suspend/resume first
Sep 07 15:03:12 <CVirus> he could have hired more C devs to work on the kernel for fuck's sake
Sep 07 15:03:22 <harnir> pabs3: link?
Sep 07 15:03:39 <CVirus> mailing lis
Sep 07 15:03:41 <CVirus> list*
Sep 07 15:03:47 <pabs3> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029718.html
Sep 07 15:04:03 <CVirus> this is retarded
Sep 07 15:05:18 <bumbl> CVirus: I want good glamo drivers
Sep 07 15:05:31 <CVirus> that too
Sep 07 15:05:31 <bumbl> suspend and resume works on some images pretty good
Sep 07 15:06:06 <CVirus> bumbl: people are getting wsod owing the retarded glamo
Sep 07 15:06:40 <CVirus> to the*
Sep 07 15:07:33 <bumbl> wsod ?= world series of dart/white screen of death
Sep 07 15:09:19 <CVirus> hehe
Sep 07 15:09:46 <CVirus> bumbl: how come some images are not getting wsod ?
Sep 07 15:09:56 <CVirus> it's a kernel related issue as far as i understand
Sep 07 15:10:03 <CVirus> and most of the images use the same kernel if not all of them
Sep 07 15:11:19 <Wonka> i want GPRS and non-overwritten big microsd and working suspend/resume before 3D stuff
Sep 07 15:17:53 <bumbl> CVirus: i never got a white screen of death (I only get a white screen between shutting the freerunner down and booting it up again while rebooting)
Sep 07 15:18:03 <slaxxin>  kboot uses a boot loader like LILO or GRUB
Sep 07 15:18:12 <bumbl> Wonka: gprs works
Sep 07 15:18:15 <bumbl> afaik
Sep 07 15:18:37 <Wonka> bumbl: ok, rephrase: i want my SIM to work
Sep 07 15:18:42 <bumbl> ah
Sep 07 15:19:17 <bumbl> yeah and I want 8gb µsd without fdisking every now and then too
Sep 07 15:22:52 <Wonka> i got that 8gb card and the supplied 512mb - and 512mb is not even big enough for all the debian packages i want
Sep 07 15:23:04 <Wonka> without any data
Sep 07 15:23:21 <Wonka> and i have 1.6gib of maps backed up yet
Sep 07 15:27:44 * Tanuva is quite happy with his 4gig one
Sep 07 15:27:57 <bumbl> Wonka: what do you do to resolve the "freerunner deletes partition table" issue
Sep 07 15:28:11 <bumbl> dd-ing the table
Sep 07 15:28:25 <Wonka> no... just recreate the partition
Sep 07 15:28:44 <Wonka> fdisk, create partition, primary, 1st, enter enter enter
Sep 07 15:29:11 <Wonka> fsck - and then it's either OK or mkfs, rsync.
Sep 07 15:30:47 <igor321> seems like the soc for gta04 has been decided on
Sep 07 15:30:59 <igor321> anyone know anything about it?
Sep 07 15:31:25 <bumbl> Wonka: I have/need 4 partitions
Sep 07 15:31:31 <igor321> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029718.html
Sep 07 15:31:46 <bumbl> 1 boot, 1 debian, 1 gentoo, 1 data
Sep 07 15:32:31 <Wonka> yeah, would need at least 2, if not 3 too
Sep 07 15:32:38 <Wonka> boot root data
Sep 07 15:33:03 <lindi-> Wonka: why have separate boot partition?
Sep 07 15:33:41 <Wonka> lindi-: to not have the kernel float around anywhere on the gigabyte-sized root fs
Sep 07 15:34:02 <Wonka> speeds up booting
Sep 07 15:34:07 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r74c5dd47e955 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Sep 07 15:34:07 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for GSM default alphabet and use it
Sep 07 15:34:07 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: Previously we just de/encoded according to ASCII, this should fix lots of
Sep 07 15:34:07 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: issues with special characters not being displayed properly
Sep 07 15:34:08 <lindi-> float?
Sep 07 15:34:15 <lindi-> Wonka: how does it speed it up?
Sep 07 15:34:42 <Wonka> uboot does not have to look through big filesystem structures
Sep 07 15:34:52 <Wonka> but only through a very small fs
Sep 07 15:35:06 <bumbl> uboot does not support all fs types
Sep 07 15:35:15 <lindi-> Wonka: but it's a tree
Sep 07 15:35:27 <Wonka> lindi-: inode tables are not
Sep 07 15:36:43 <Wonka> anyway, that is how the install.sh does it, i see some sense in it - why should i do anything to do it another way?
Sep 07 15:36:46 <slaxxin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDQ-coSHPCQ
Sep 07 15:36:50 <Zogg> Where to check how much space is left in nand?
Sep 07 15:37:18 <Tanuva> Zogg: df -h on a terminal
Sep 07 15:38:09 <Zogg> ty
Sep 07 15:38:11 <bumbl> slaxxin: is this an iphone fake?
Sep 07 15:39:14 <slaxxin> see how the keyboard is big enoughto use your finger
Sep 07 15:39:32 <apollo13> bumbl: seems more like a real product
Sep 07 15:39:38 <slaxxin> i damn iphone is the real fake
Sep 07 15:39:40 <apollo13> Chinese iPhone,Meizu M8
Sep 07 15:39:52 <slaxxin> iphone suck
Sep 07 15:40:24 <lindi-> Wonka: sudo strace -o s -e read -f debugfs -R "cat /etc/issue" /dev/md0; grep -c read s  indeed prints 182 reads
Sep 07 15:40:27 <bumbl> apollo13: yeah with iphone fake i meant one of these chinese things
Sep 07 15:40:34 <bumbl> which copy the design
Sep 07 15:40:36 <apollo13> oh sry
Sep 07 15:40:39 <lindi-> Wonka: and with minimal filesystem with only /etc/issue i get 28
Sep 07 15:41:06 <slaxxin> i was looking for the samsung 6410 chipset
Sep 07 15:41:12 <lindi-> but maybe debugfs does some unnecessary reading
Sep 07 15:41:51 <lindi-> Zogg: just don't read the "Avail" column
Sep 07 15:49:31 <zlfita> hello, do you know why I cannot boot into NOR?
Sep 07 15:50:02 <Tanuva> no
Sep 07 15:50:19 <zlfita> I can boot into nand menu but not into nor
Sep 07 15:50:21 <Tanuva> at least you need to tell us what you are doing to get there and what happens instead ;)
Sep 07 15:50:48 <zlfita> ok, sorry
Sep 07 15:51:00 <zlfita> I hold down AUX and then press power
Sep 07 15:51:14 <zlfita> hold them togerther for about 10 secs
Sep 07 15:51:17 <zlfita> nothing happens
Sep 07 15:51:27 <Tanuva> huh...
Sep 07 15:51:38 <Zogg> lindi-, why so?
Sep 07 15:52:11 <Tanuva> zlfita: thats really strange.
Sep 07 15:52:16 <zlfita> if I press aux after power, I boot into nand menu just fine
Sep 07 15:52:20 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbaf33288d65c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity/om-locations as of Chia-I Wu's request
Sep 07 15:53:01 <emacsen> the sd slot is hard to re-open :(
Sep 07 15:53:30 <mickeyl> *nod*
Sep 07 15:53:30 <zlfita> can I use nand u-boot to flash kernel and rootfs?
Sep 07 15:53:36 * mickeyl using a stylus for that
Sep 07 15:53:46 <zlfita> open sd slot carefully with a knife
Sep 07 15:54:30 <emacsen> zlfita, yeah just trying to figure out how without damaging it
Sep 07 15:54:39 <zlfita> I don't have the debug board which means I'm kinda screwed
Sep 07 15:54:52 <bumbl> emacsen: it is not that easy to damage it
Sep 07 15:57:22 <lindi-> Zogg: since 5% is reserved for root
Sep 07 15:59:05 <zlfita> anybody? is it possible to flash kernel and rootfs via uboot from nand?
Sep 07 15:59:16 <emacsen> there. replaced. Next time, 4gb :)
Sep 07 15:59:31 <fredrin> tell me if I got this right with the distros. ASU is made by OpenMoko and is going to be the main distro that ships with the Neo Freerunner phones it comes with bells and whistles (that's the plan), FSO is made by OpenMoko aswell, but is more for developers that wants to make programs that will work on other smilar phones in the future. The rest of the distros, qtopia, debian, gentoo are just made by 
Sep 07 15:59:33 <fredrin> other people that likes it....
Sep 07 15:59:40 <emacsen> now I just need to figure out how to get USB networking working. Ubuntu seems to want to get network FROM the Neo, not the other way around
Sep 07 16:00:22 <zlfita> emacsen: you can change the network behaviour from ubuntu gui
Sep 07 16:00:26 <Zogg> lindi-, will keep that in mind :)
Sep 07 16:00:38 <zlfita> trying to get network from neo, a bit stupid, i know
Sep 07 16:00:59 <emacsen> zlfita, not necessarily always stupid...
Sep 07 16:01:07 <emacsen> one day maybe I'll have gprs
Sep 07 16:01:14 <fredrin> emacsen: this helped me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
Sep 07 16:01:17 <emacsen> but that day, I'll have gprs -> wifi gateway :)
Sep 07 16:01:38 <mickeyl> fredrin: pretty acurate description of the present. what's coming though is interesting ;)
Sep 07 16:02:01 <fredrin> mickeyl: what's comming? 
Sep 07 16:02:45 <Dave> ecraven!
Sep 07 16:03:03 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc4a208ae4114 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity/om-locations as of Chia-I Wu's request
Sep 07 16:03:26 <Dave> haha, chinamen
Sep 07 16:04:21 <mickeyl> fredrin: no one knows, really
Sep 07 16:04:29 <mickeyl> future is absolutely open
Sep 07 16:04:41 <Dave> oh yeah?
Sep 07 16:04:41 <mickeyl> looking for more information in a couple of weeks when i'm there
Sep 07 16:05:15 <fredrin> mickeyl: true, where's there?
Sep 07 16:05:29 <mickeyl> Om Inc. headquarters
Sep 07 16:05:38 <zlfita> seems my device is one of the few with an empty NOR
Sep 07 16:05:45 <zlfita> sheet!
Sep 07 16:06:07 <Dave> so?
Sep 07 16:06:23 <Dave> fix it
Sep 07 16:06:39 <emacsen> wow, usb network on computer was easy. Now I gotta figure out how to get the neo to talk to it
Sep 07 16:07:03 <Dave> heh
Sep 07 16:07:08 <mickeyl> usbeth is one of the few things which are really solid 
Sep 07 16:07:16 * mickeyl hugs usb gadget stack
Sep 07 16:07:25 <Dave> eww
Sep 07 16:07:29 <Dave> explosion
Sep 07 16:07:41 <emacsen> I don't even see usb as an option for "Internet"
Sep 07 16:07:41 <Tanuva> would be a pain if it wouldn't be solid :)
Sep 07 16:08:26 <Dave> Tanuvas
Sep 07 16:09:08 <CVirus> bumbl: what image is that ?
Sep 07 16:10:54 <fredrin> mickeyl: where is the HQ of Om?
Sep 07 16:10:59 <fredrin> taiwan?
Sep 07 16:11:01 <mickeyl> jep
Sep 07 16:11:06 <mickeyl> taipei, actually
Sep 07 16:11:27 <mickeyl> 14h flying *sigh*
Sep 07 16:11:29 <Dave> huhu
Sep 07 16:11:39 <Dave> taiwan would be GOOD quality
Sep 07 16:11:45 <Dave> (in comparison)
Sep 07 16:11:58 <Dave> and we are faced with a brokenmoko ;D
Sep 07 16:12:58 * drazak sits on Dave 
Sep 07 16:13:13 <Dave> :O
Sep 07 16:13:19 <Dave> IT'S YOU!
Sep 07 16:13:29 <drazak> it's a me!
Sep 07 16:13:31 * Dave hides
Sep 07 16:13:33 <drazak> where?
Sep 07 16:13:36 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra24dccc1127c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: 
Sep 07 16:13:36 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8
Sep 07 16:13:36 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: This makes the definition of the GSM alphabet easier/work in all cases.
Sep 07 16:13:40 <drazak> where's the me?
Sep 07 16:14:14 <ike> ?
Sep 07 16:14:19 * drazak looks around
Sep 07 16:14:20 <fredrin> CIA is here!!!111one
Sep 07 16:14:33 <drazak> ike: don't worry, DaveBot and I do this every time
Sep 07 16:15:06 * Dave drops the Solaris 10 manual on drazak
Sep 07 16:15:12 <fredrin> lol
Sep 07 16:15:17 <Dave> Muwahahahaha
Sep 07 16:16:12 <drazak> Dave: that reminds me, where're those books?
Sep 07 16:16:30 * Dave runs
Sep 07 16:17:27 <lambda> someone already experimented the 3 ends cable ?
Sep 07 16:17:35 <lambda> for powering attached USB devices and charging the Neo while in host mode 
Sep 07 16:17:46 <lambda> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
Sep 07 16:17:48 <drazak> Dave: you were gonna send me some books!
Sep 07 16:22:03 <ike> drazak: you're sitting on each other every time?
Sep 07 16:22:13 <ike> that's kinda gay. But well ok. I'm tolerant.
Sep 07 16:23:05 <Tanuva> active or passive tolerance? :P
Sep 07 16:24:19 <drazak> ike: more like us being stupid
Sep 07 16:27:31 <Dave> lollerphoneexplosions
Sep 07 16:27:33 <Tanuva> the gps device should be /dev/s3c2410_serial1 on debian afaik, but that device node does not exist although the gps chip is powered...
Sep 07 16:29:58 <ike> ;-)
Sep 07 16:32:03 <Dave> :D
Sep 07 16:32:14 <lindi-> Tanuva: /etc/udev/rules.d/55-freerunner.rules:KERNEL=="s3c2410_serial[0-9]",   NAME="ttySAC%n"
Sep 07 16:33:04 <Tanuva> ah
Sep 07 16:35:12 <zlfita> what am i supposed to see with dfu-util -l while FR is in NAN boot menu?
Sep 07 16:35:24 <lindi-> zlfita: NOR?
Sep 07 16:35:30 <lindi-> or NAND?
Sep 07 16:35:31 <zlfita> NAND
Sep 07 16:35:35 <zlfita> my nor is empty
Sep 07 16:36:20 <zlfita> i see two devices, one UNDEFINED and one called "USB Device Firmware Upgrade"
Sep 07 16:37:59 <zlfita> i rightfully claim the "jinxed" title here. I waited for one and a half month for my FR, and now it has empty NOR
Sep 07 16:38:08 <lindi-> dfu-util source has char name[MAX_STR_LEN+1] = "UNDEFINED";
Sep 07 16:38:44 <lindi-> zlfita: lsusb?
Sep 07 16:39:19 <zlfita> shows broadcom corp for undefined
Sep 07 16:39:32 <zlfita> and empty string for the firmware upgrade thing
Sep 07 16:41:20 <apollo13> zlfita: "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" is the one you want to choose
Sep 07 16:41:57 <zlfita> are you absolutely sure, cuz my NOR is empty and I'm really scared to do any flashing
Sep 07 16:42:22 <lindi-> zlfita: full output of lsusb would be nice
Sep 07 16:42:32 <zlfita> ok, here we go
Sep 07 16:42:52 <zlfita> ati@s072160:~/openmoko/2008$ lsusb
Sep 07 16:42:52 <zlfita> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Sep 07 16:42:52 <zlfita> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. 
Sep 07 16:42:52 <zlfita> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Sep 07 16:42:52 <zlfita> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical
Sep 07 16:42:54 <zlfita> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Sep 07 16:42:57 <zlfita> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Sep 07 16:42:59 <zlfita> Bus 001 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119  
Sep 07 16:43:02 <zlfita> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
Sep 07 16:43:04 <Tm_T> uh oh, flood
Sep 07 16:44:23 <lindi-> zlfita: but to rafb.net/paste/ or similar of course
Sep 07 16:45:13 <lindi-> zlfita: http://qbik.ch/ shows that 0a5c:2110 is some bluetooth dongle
Sep 07 16:45:41 <zlfita> also probably usbnet device of FR
Sep 07 16:46:18 <zlfita> sorry for the flood, won't happen again
Sep 07 16:47:26 <lindi-> zlfita: you mean 0a5c:2110 would be from FR?
Sep 07 16:47:46 <apollo13> my freerunner showed up as "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" 
Sep 07 16:47:46 <zlfita> lindi: i guess so
Sep 07 16:48:09 <apollo13> also running dfu-util -l without anything connected yielded the undefined
Sep 07 16:48:21 <apollo13> then it was easy, the new one had to be the fr
Sep 07 16:48:25 <zlfita> apollo13, lindi, thank you very much
Sep 07 16:48:29 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r4ffbad7f2f68 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: 
Sep 07 16:48:29 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: Revert "ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8"
Sep 07 16:48:29 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: since it makes problems with other unicode conversion stuff
Sep 07 16:48:29 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a24dccc1127c619435ca405ef9e0e73ae61da7ed.
Sep 07 16:48:35 <zlfita> i found it
Sep 07 16:48:48 <lindi-> zlfita: sounds very unlikely, just unplug FR to see what disappears from lsusb
Sep 07 16:49:18 <zlfita> the other one is my laptop's internal wireless thing
Sep 07 16:55:11 <fuzz_dk> I just reflashed with 2008.08 -> does anyone have a video showing how to use the keyboard?
Sep 07 16:56:58 <Tig|> fuzz_dk: slide your finger up on the keyboard to switch layouts,    slide left and right for delete and space respectively 
Sep 07 16:57:58 <Tig|> the usual process is after mastering this and getting very frustrated you swear at it and the look on the wiki how to get rasters/illume keyboard working instead :)
Sep 07 16:58:26 <Tig|> the next stage is then to start getting annoyed when the qt keyboard sometimes overlays the illume one :)
Sep 07 16:59:00 <Tig|> the following stage is looking at bluetooth keyboards on the net.... 
Sep 07 16:59:45 <fuzz_dk> I can input the sim code, but I can get it up in the "sim pin" box
Sep 07 17:00:06 <Tig|> click in where the pin goes first
Sep 07 17:00:27 <Tig|> at a guess,  never had to deal with the pin dialogue yet :)
Sep 07 17:00:48 <fuzz_dk> i seems like i just need a "enter" or something like that
Sep 07 17:01:00 <Tig|> is there not a button?
Sep 07 17:01:28 <fuzz_dk> only the buttons from 1-0
Sep 07 17:01:56 <fuzz_dk> Ah, I had to press on the inputed text
Sep 07 17:02:04 <fuzz_dk> then "enter" appears.
Sep 07 17:02:10 <Tig|> ah,  nice and logical then :)
Sep 07 17:02:20 <fuzz_dk> :)
Sep 07 17:04:01 <Tig|> the stage after that is to discover that someone over in the bluez team has depricated the hidd command and therefore instead of just typing hidd --search to connect your bluetooth keyboard you have to somehow enter arseloads of cryptic dbus commands instead as they have decided that everyone can just use the bluez gnome app instead.....    (arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh)
Sep 07 17:04:55 <fredrin> what is zhone? on the wiki it says it needs more explaining.... 
Sep 07 17:05:11 <fredrin> is it just a calling frontend?
Sep 07 17:05:28 <cjb> yes
Sep 07 17:05:40 <cjb> well, plus SMS/address
Sep 07 17:05:48 <Tig|> fredrin: it is a demo app for the framework services,  currently is little more than a dialer with an address book but this may change with milestone3
Sep 07 17:06:01 <fredrin> uses ASU that now or is it just FSO?
Sep 07 17:06:06 <Tig|> FSO
Sep 07 17:06:17 <fredrin> hummkay
Sep 07 17:06:24 <Tig|> ASU which is now called 2008.8 uses the qtopia apps
Sep 07 17:07:07 <Dave> qtopia has apps? o.O
Sep 07 17:07:09 <fredrin> i'm starting to get a picture of how things are put together
Sep 07 17:07:12 <fredrin> :)
Sep 07 17:07:12 <ike> Does FSO uses 'the qtopia apps'?
Sep 07 17:07:13 <Dave> When did this happen? :D
Sep 07 17:07:18 <Dave> fredrin, quite badly.
Sep 07 17:07:33 <ike> Dave: 'a dialer'. :>
Sep 07 17:07:41 <Dave> heh
Sep 07 17:07:48 <Dave> dial me something more useful
Sep 07 17:07:59 <ike> 'an alarm'.
Sep 07 17:08:04 <Tig|> one of the goals of the FSO is to make writing new applications which use the underlying technology,  zhone (zen phone) is just a demo of one way someone could use the technology to build a front end for it
Sep 07 17:08:22 <Dave> sudo make phone
Sep 07 17:08:58 <Tig|> ike: as I understand it the qtopia apps are not compatable with the fso,  you could install them and run them but they would not do much as they would not connect to the underlying systems
Sep 07 17:09:09 <ike> Tig|: mhm. thanks.
Sep 07 17:09:39 <Tig|> ike: unless you wanted to write a compatibility layer for them :) 
Sep 07 17:10:52 <ike> Tig|: not really. Just was curious about it.
Sep 07 17:10:54 <ike> :-)
Sep 07 17:11:11 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde5e84ea5d44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: 
Sep 07 17:11:11 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8
Sep 07 17:11:11 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: This makes the definition of the GSM alphabet easier/work in all cases.
Sep 07 17:11:11 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r02c8fbe7588c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: 
Sep 07 17:11:15 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: revert revertion of a24dccc1127c619435ca405ef9e0e73ae61da7ed
Sep 07 17:11:17 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: instead, fix textToUnicode() to deal with incoming strings that are already unicode.
Sep 07 17:11:19 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: We emit a warning though until the transition to PDU is finished.
Sep 07 17:17:55 <Dave> Foreigners.    Fucking up your naming convensions, since 1433.
Sep 07 17:18:06 <AJuOnLiNE> =))
Sep 07 17:18:31 <Dave> Worse now, since they pollute your internet searches!
Sep 07 17:28:01 <Dave> US $10.00
Sep 07 17:28:01 <Dave> Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service
Sep 07 17:28:01 <Dave> Service to United States
Sep 07 17:47:12 <AJuOnLiNE> can someone help me test a J2ME app by running it on a FR ?
Sep 07 17:49:46 <lloyd_fedora> AJuOnLiNE: i dont mind ?
Sep 07 17:50:15 <AJuOnLiNE> lloyd_fedora: http://sahana.cvs.sourceforge.net/sahana/sahana-ext/sahana_j2me/bin/
Sep 07 17:51:33 <cyrilbadaut> Hi ?? 
Sep 07 17:51:42 <Zilla> HI?:S
Sep 07 17:51:50 <Zilla> HI alll
Sep 07 17:51:55 <Zilla> any dutch people online?
Sep 07 17:51:58 <XorA|gone> FLOOD WARNING
Sep 07 17:51:59 <cyrilbadaut> Yes sorry, first time on irc for me
Sep 07 17:52:09 <cyrilbadaut> looking for french guy .. 
Sep 07 17:52:16 <Zilla> i was flooding :|
Sep 07 17:52:31 <Zilla> srry about that
Sep 07 17:52:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r60355b87a220 10/packages/libvisual/libvisual_0.4.0.bb: libvisual 0.4: New recipe.
Sep 07 17:52:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rd918128d9a47 10/packages/boost/ (boost.inc boost_1.33.0.bb boost_1.33.1.bb): boost.inc: Fixed python version - re-enables compiling boost_python.
Sep 07 17:52:34 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7ed81b52774 10/packages/classpath/ (18 files in 5 dirs): classpath: fix config.rpath, autotools and ecj -d
Sep 07 17:52:34 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a8701369258 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: remove bogus compatible machine *again*
Sep 07 17:52:37 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83a88adec418 10/packages/libnl/ (8 files in 2 dirs): libnl add 1.1, remove outdated ones
Sep 07 17:52:40 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r88e31644d264 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add python-connexion, a versatile (network) connectivity library
Sep 07 17:52:53 <XorA|gone> Zilla: not you :-)
Sep 07 17:53:00 <Zilla> ow :)
Sep 07 17:53:15 <Zilla> i thought..... 3 post after each other ;)
Sep 07 17:53:22 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bd826f0fac8 10/packages/ (20 files in 7 dirs): merge of '8f5711b8ee04e00c48f5997987d6ab4600e5dc19'
Sep 07 17:53:23 <cyrilbadaut> I need help to use my mac and learn how to flash my freeruner with my mac on the SD card
Sep 07 17:53:25 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa5755c45ede 10/packages/opie-console/ (4 files in 2 dirs): opie-console: fix errors thrown with gcc-4.3
Sep 07 17:53:25 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * rca9d7399cc5c 10/packages/ppp/ (ppp-2.4.3/ppp-2.4.3-mppe-mppc-1.1.patch ppp_2.4.3.bb): merge of '1d6a9becb57e689050e4b9b1fb6482e04e3e5111'
Sep 07 17:53:25 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * rd13402ae4059 10/packages/ppp/ (ppp-2.4.3/ppp-2.4.3-mppe-mppc-1.1.patch ppp_2.4.3.bb): packages/ppp/ppp_2.4.3.bb : Add mppe support
Sep 07 17:53:28 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * rc50aed4b2e3a 10/packages/tangogps/ (tangogps_0.9.2.bb tangogps_0.9.3.bb): tangogps: Updated to version 0.9.3.
Sep 07 17:53:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6fdf4f0f3171 10/packages/mozilla/files/powerpc/jsautocfg.h: mozilla: fix powerpc builds
Sep 07 17:53:38 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r49b2ac1b110d 10/packages/ppp/ppp_2.4.3.bb: ppp: fix parse error
Sep 07 17:53:41 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r86d19e7444b1 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add some more stuff
Sep 07 17:53:44 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf68e6713a5a 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add gta02 machine and fso apps
Sep 07 17:53:46 <Zilla> you can use dfu-util ? 
Sep 07 17:53:47 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r542859036ec2 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add java and more browsers
Sep 07 17:53:50 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * ra6873a8e2a8d 10/packages/pidgin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pidgin: Update to version 2.5.0 and set as default preference:
Sep 07 17:53:52 <AJuOnLiNE> can I make a J2ME app to access the GPS ?
Sep 07 17:53:55 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f331e93070b 10/site/common-glibc: site common-glibc: add ac_cv_fread_reads_directories
Sep 07 17:54:00 <Zilla> can someone kill cia bot?
Sep 07 17:54:04 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rba8d6f87e853 10/packages/xorg-lib/pixman_0.11.8.bb: pixman: make 0.11.8 the default
Sep 07 17:54:07 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3f9b068bec1e 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cairo, xservers: bump PR due to pixman abi change for arm
Sep 07 17:54:10 <cyrilbadaut> zilla are you aswering to my question ? 
Sep 07 17:54:10 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1e595f610e1a 10/packages/gstreamer/gst-ffmpeg_0.10.4.bb: gst-ffmpeg: 0.10.4 is working great, make it the default
Sep 07 17:54:14 <AJuOnLiNE> that Q should have been.. can I make a J2ME run on a FR 
Sep 07 17:54:14 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r89dfe4666e63 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '045e00ff4301aa05fddab174a3ac5bf9c260343b'
Sep 07 17:54:16 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r6cdb826968b4 10/classes/scratchbox-compat.bbclass: scratcbox-compat.bbclass: New bbclass.
Sep 07 17:54:16 <Zilla> sort off
Sep 07 17:54:21 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2884848a3cae 10/ (379 files in 115 dirs): merge of '4dc83fb2fe7f6a2d1912363f0f5d575ef277a6b7'
Sep 07 17:54:23 <cyrilbadaut> yes please kill it
Sep 07 17:54:30 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 17:54:32 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf03cb48c12db 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-x11-base-depends.bb: angstrom-x11-base-depends: bump PR
Sep 07 17:54:35 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1a6374abd698 10/packages/python/python-connexion_svn.bb: python-connexion svn RDEPENDS+=python-ctypes
Sep 07 17:54:38 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd173803d70af 10/packages/python/python-pygame_1.8.1.bb: python-pygame 1.8.1 fix bug ending up missing shared objects
Sep 07 17:54:41 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r67f8023272cd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '0e9b0714e6ab764eaa6afb85fbd5d15b41175604'
Sep 07 17:54:46 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0ead92baad9 10/packages/madwifi/ (madwifi-ng_r.inc madwifi-ng_r3837-20080802.bb): madwifi-ng: update to snapshot r3837 (required for linux-2.6.26)
Sep 07 17:54:50 <cyrilbadaut> I cant just because the web site for mac is to old 
Sep 07 17:54:54 <Zilla> i dont have chanops power :(
Sep 07 17:54:59 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd5f5bbf28f4 10/packages/intltool/ (intltool-native_0.40.3.bb intltool_0.40.3.bb): intltool: update to 0.40.3
Sep 07 17:55:02 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0eef6f48536 10/packages/intltool/intltool-native_0.40.3.bb: intltool-native 0.40.3: replace patch with sed
Sep 07 17:55:05 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r26cb1a56796e 10/packages/gnome/ (files/acinclude.m4 libwnck_2.23.6.bb): libwnck: update to 2.23.6
Sep 07 17:55:08 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b3e988c02a8 10/packages/intltool/intltool_0.40.3.bb: intltool 0.40.3: fix shoddy m4 macro
Sep 07 17:55:13 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6b76c18a20b 10/packages/gnome/gnome-python-desktop_2.23.0.bb: gnome-python-desktop: also build wnck and rsvg modules
Sep 07 17:55:18 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rb62e46df61da 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 3 dirs): linux-2.6.26.bb: package linux 2.6.26 for mpc8313e-rdb
Sep 07 17:55:25 <Xecuter> what is the latest u-boot version?
Sep 07 17:55:25 <lindi-> Zilla: kill, why?
Sep 07 17:55:27 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r063a9909c39e 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: sugar-base: add more python rdepends
Sep 07 17:55:30 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r71c4981463f1 10/packages/gnome/hippo-canvas_0.3.0.bb: hippo canvas: add 0.3.0
Sep 07 17:55:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc218f50a46f 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: merge of '3cb2978c67d7c62746b9e01b6002b3798f3418e1'
Sep 07 17:55:36 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r30d81a404023 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: sugar-base: it now gets to the first run wizard with these extra depends
Sep 07 17:55:39 <Zilla> it is flooding
Sep 07 17:55:41 <CIA-22> (116 lines omitted)
Sep 07 17:55:45 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r826137aa687a 10/packages/chromium/ (.mtn2git_empty chromium_svn.bb): chromium: add recipe for the google chrome browser
Sep 07 17:55:54 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r23b79c1dadb7 10/packages/gnash/gnash.inc: gnash: enable ffmpeg and plugin
Sep 07 17:55:55 <lindi-> Zilla: you mean development is happening? ;)
Sep 07 17:55:55 <sicu> ooooh, lots of omition
Sep 07 17:55:59 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * ra47dfdb0ad40 10/packages/bison/ (6 files in 3 dirs): bison updated to version 2.3:
Sep 07 17:56:02 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3217c6c4cb70 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: merge of '1044732b8a88225ade87ce8064bd97dee00124ac'
Sep 07 17:56:03 <Zilla> i dont know
Sep 07 17:56:05 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cd202f9f00c 10/packages/gnome/gnome-panel_2.22.2.bb: gnome-panel: add librsvg to depends
Sep 07 17:56:08 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd63a9fbd9e60 10/packages/gnome/gnome-python-extras_2.19.1.bb: gnome-python-extras: add 2.19.1
Sep 07 17:56:13 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * r9f1766a3e323 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): webkit-gtk updated from snapshot 35533 to snapshot 35977:
Sep 07 17:56:14 <Zilla> cia bot monitors development than?
Sep 07 17:56:20 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * r9545c8dae75e 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (midori_0.0.19.bb midori_0.0.20.bb): midori updated to version 0.0.20
Sep 07 17:56:21 <Tig|> Zilla:  yes
Sep 07 17:56:21 <Xecuter> can someone kcik this guy?
Sep 07 17:56:24 <Zilla> ah :)
Sep 07 17:56:27 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rd72d524b07ec 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '464f86e91e3d4d47be8a4dc58c4d915ae7e86599'
Sep 07 17:56:30 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rce402ccd576f 10/packages/linux/ (linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig linux-omap2_git.bb): linux-omap2 git: enable more usb stuff for beagle
Sep 07 17:56:33 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc8a65909a8a2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump Xglamo and linux-openmoko
Sep 07 17:56:40 <Gnutoo> Hello,i will get my freerunner Thursday or Wednesday ...and i just read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions...and it says that the wifi in Om2008.8 isn't stable...and I realy need wifi...so is there a workaround such as compiling my ASU version with openembedded(i know how to use it but not how to make package very well yet...) or what will I miss using debian?
Sep 07 17:56:40 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc06cde98c93f 10/ (47 files in 27 dirs): merge of '23d1f770a092f023ba951e138b787c9bacc3152d'
Sep 07 17:56:43 <cyrilbadaut> CIA-22 please stop
Sep 07 17:56:45 <Zilla> but isnt it better that the cia bot will be in the developer channel?
Sep 07 17:56:45 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r57aa65648af4 10/packages/bluez/ (5 files): bluez update to 3.36, the last version in the 3.x series.
Sep 07 17:56:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ad5a9dacfdf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python 2.5.2 ship shlex in python-shell
Sep 07 17:56:51 <Tig|> Xecuter: if it annoys you use the /ignore command in your irc client
Sep 07 17:56:55 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffeaf55af9be 10/packages/vnc/x11vnc_0.9.3.bb: x11vnc: fix SRC_URI
Sep 07 17:56:56 <lindi-> Gnutoo: wifi is entirely kernel issue
Sep 07 17:56:57 <cyrilbadaut> http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher
Sep 07 17:56:58 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r15f8a2b859ac 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fso-sounds: install some sounds from fso artwork repository
Sep 07 17:57:01 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r66323fb1e382 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): merge of '8757cea2a30d383fc8b9e31dc7ae714a4df33a64'
Sep 07 17:57:04 <Zilla> how can i disignore it?
Sep 07 17:57:08 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra97a3fefa605 10/packages/vino/vino_2.22.2.bb: vino: update to 2.22.2
Sep 07 17:57:11 <cyrilbadaut> none of them can be usefull ..
Sep 07 17:57:12 <Gnutoo> lindi-, wow so if i downgrade the kernel it will work?
Sep 07 17:57:13 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd520b84f214d 10/classes/cmake.bbclass: cmake bbclass: allow extra argument via EXTRA_OECMAKE
Sep 07 17:57:16 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd52e2648b8c0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump mickeyterm, mickeydbus, python-pyrtc
Sep 07 17:57:21 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * raae861a4600c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '7a4784a76121e6cf9b4204ebe5c812e2e540767f'
Sep 07 17:57:24 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc06b0ebe0d35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: bump frameworkd
Sep 07 17:57:27 <CIA-22> (103 lines omitted)
Sep 07 17:57:31 <Tig|> use the commands /ignore username and /unignore username
Sep 07 17:57:39 <lindi-> Gnutoo: have you used wlan with linux before?
Sep 07 17:57:54 <Gnutoo> lindi-, yes i know ifconfig and iwconfig
Sep 07 17:57:57 <Xecuter> thanks Tig| 
Sep 07 17:58:15 <Xecuter> anywhoo, what is the altest u-boot version?
Sep 07 17:58:27 <Zilla> tnx tig|
Sep 07 17:58:29 <Gnutoo> lindi-, i've even tried to make some access point in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD...not finished yet....but the openmoko firmware doesn't permit that...
Sep 07 17:58:34 <sicu> i like seing CIA-22 doing stuff
Sep 07 17:58:51 <cyrilbadaut> I asked him to stop /.. :-)
Sep 07 17:58:58 <Gnutoo> s/openmoko firmware/firmware of the wifi card of the openmoko /
Sep 07 17:58:58 <apt> Gnutoo meant: lindi-, i've even tried to make some access point in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD...not finished yet....but the firmware of the wifi card of the openmoko  doesn't permit that...
Sep 07 17:59:02 <Zilla> whats the fun of having a bot wich monitors development?
Sep 07 17:59:13 <Tig|> Gnutoo: I have fairly solid wifi on my freerunner using the FSO image and the bearstech repos,  I installed the lint-wifi version from the wiki and now can connect to my WPA network quite happily without the command line
Sep 07 17:59:31 <Zilla> thats awesome :)
Sep 07 17:59:45 <Zilla> do you know if radius and that stuff is also incuded?
Sep 07 17:59:47 <cyrilbadaut> so nobody can help me ..
Sep 07 17:59:59 <Zilla> whats the problem?
Sep 07 17:59:59 <Tig|> only problem is that I need to write an app to power down the wifi when finished,  I am working on a simple py-etk one :)
Sep 07 18:00:04 <mwester_> Zilla: it's not intended for fun; it's for when there used to be developers on the channel ;) :P
Sep 07 18:00:05 <Gnutoo> Tig|, wow...I know bearstech is a vendor...that's where i bought mine...but what image do they have in their repo
Sep 07 18:00:06 <cyrilbadaut> jsut to found how to use my mac to flash
Sep 07 18:00:09 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: what is the problem?
Sep 07 18:00:18 <cyrilbadaut> ok so I expain
Sep 07 18:00:19 <Zilla> oke mwester
Sep 07 18:00:21 <cyrilbadaut> I have a mac
Sep 07 18:00:37 <cyrilbadaut> so I must use 
Sep 07 18:00:38 <cyrilbadaut> http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher
Sep 07 18:00:42 <Zilla> yes, i dont have one but go one ;)
Sep 07 18:00:42 <cyrilbadaut> one of these 
Sep 07 18:00:46 <mwester_> Gnutoo: bearstech offered disk space and a server to host the community development work; FSO and SHR
Sep 07 18:00:47 <Tig|> Gnutoo:  they are sponsoring a buildhost for the shr people and the fso images
Sep 07 18:00:59 <cyrilbadaut> but none of these website can connect 
Sep 07 18:01:17 <lindi-> Gnutoo: yes i don't know if freerunner can be wlan AP.
Sep 07 18:01:17 <Zilla> and what about an other computer in your network?
Sep 07 18:01:25 <Gnutoo> wow!!! they are realy involved!!! I even saw luca's presentation on the net...
Sep 07 18:01:26 <cyrilbadaut> so where can I found good website
Sep 07 18:01:28 <lindi-> Gnutoo: wlan hardware is unfortunately very stupid in this respect if you ask me
Sep 07 18:01:51 <lindi-> Gnutoo: i just use ad-hoc networks
Sep 07 18:01:54 <mwester_> lindi-: monitor mode is not supported by the (current) firmware for the Atheros wlan chipset that Om has.
Sep 07 18:01:57 <Gnutoo> lindi-, ok
Sep 07 18:02:23 <Gnutoo> mmm...no monitor...
Sep 07 18:02:27 <lindi-> mwester_: very stupid indeed :/
Sep 07 18:02:28 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: I have never seen that app before but I am not a mac person so can't really help I am afraid :(
Sep 07 18:02:35 <lindi-> mwester_: i wish wlan was like ethernet :)
Sep 07 18:02:58 <Zilla> i didnt....
Sep 07 18:02:59 <cyrilbadaut> Is Luca around ?
Sep 07 18:02:59 <cyrilbadaut> ok thanks I Should install an ubuntu ?
Sep 07 18:03:09 <Zilla> than it wouldnt be secure :|
Sep 07 18:03:10 <cyrilbadaut> is luca around ?
Sep 07 18:03:31 <mwester_> lindi-: it might be less than we want, but the basic driver doesn 't work very well -- I think we need to get that working before one complains about advanced features of the chipset and firmware. :(
Sep 07 18:03:32 <Zilla> what kind of mac do you have? intel proc or g4?
Sep 07 18:03:42 <cyrilbadaut> I am a poor biologist loose in this world :-)
Sep 07 18:03:55 <cyrilbadaut> macbookpro
Sep 07 18:04:00 <cyrilbadaut> 10.4.11
Sep 07 18:04:05 <Zilla> with an intel processor?
Sep 07 18:04:09 <cyrilbadaut> yes
Sep 07 18:04:15 <lindi-> mwester_: i'm just blaming the wlan technology itself, not freerunner :)
Sep 07 18:04:21 <cyrilbadaut> but I didn"t install X11
Sep 07 18:04:29 <AJuOnLiNE> lloyd_fedora: any luck?
Sep 07 18:04:45 <Staticwave_Ace> cyrilbadaut: get moving up the food chain ;) http://xkcd.com/435/
Sep 07 18:05:00 <lloyd_fedora> AJuOnLiNE: how do i get java /
Sep 07 18:05:02 <cyrilbadaut> sorry I didn't understand
Sep 07 18:05:22 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 18:05:22 <cyrilbadaut> I did
Sep 07 18:05:23 <cyrilbadaut> :)
Sep 07 18:05:24 <cyrilbadaut> thnaks
Sep 07 18:05:41 <Wiedi> cyrilbadaut, when booted into nand, try flashing once (that failes), replug the usb, and try again - that works here fine with the dfu-util provied in the openmoko flasher app bundle
Sep 07 18:05:50 <AJuOnLiNE> lloyd_fedora: :P tough question http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java
Sep 07 18:06:14 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: did you manage to download the openmoko flasher app?
Sep 07 18:06:19 <AJuOnLiNE> lloyd_fedora: i am evaluating if I can make a J2ME app for openmoko phones
Sep 07 18:06:22 <cyrilbadaut> .. I am not informatician... so speak slowly please :-)
Sep 07 18:06:32 <cyrilbadaut> Tig : no
Sep 07 18:06:46 <cyrilbadaut> no website doesnot work 
Sep 07 18:07:00 <lloyd_fedora> AJuOnLiNE: gimme a sec .. checkin the wiki
Sep 07 18:11:53 <Gnutoo> thanks a lot for all the informations...
Sep 07 18:15:32 <Dave> wiki wiki wiki
Sep 07 18:17:23 <Zilla> Developers Developers Developers ;)
Sep 07 18:17:36 <Dave> Rawr
Sep 07 18:17:39 <Dave> Zilla :)
Sep 07 18:18:04 <AJuOnLiNE> can  one of the developers take a look into this http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsjhvbz_26gdmnvfcv and provide some suggestions ?
Sep 07 18:18:12 <CVirus> hackers hackers hackers hackers
Sep 07 18:18:26 <Zilla> what Dave?
Sep 07 18:18:28 <Dave> around here, more like slackers :P
Sep 07 18:18:34 <AJuOnLiNE> Virus Virus Virus or CVirus CVirus CVirus
Sep 07 18:18:37 <AJuOnLiNE> :D
Sep 07 18:18:44 <bubak> hi, i am trying to set up an ad-hoc mode wifi between zaurus and fr -- no success.  than i tried ad-hoc between fr and my notebook (thinkapd t60) -- only once from several attempts a ended up with the same cell id and so only once i established a connection between fr and notebook using ad-hoc network.  does anyone has experience with ad-hoc wifi and fr?
Sep 07 18:18:46 <CVirus> is that you .. dave ?
Sep 07 18:19:16 <Zilla> c:\virus?
Sep 07 18:25:47 <AJuOnLiNE> lloyd_fedora: any luck yet ?
Sep 07 18:26:25 <AJuOnLiNE> to make a mobile app.. which works across other mobile devices.. and the Openmoko phones too.. i should use J2ME ?
Sep 07 18:26:46 <tomer> anybody ordered his FreeRunner from Koolu?
Sep 07 18:27:50 <Staticwave_Ace> I did
Sep 07 18:28:22 <tomer> Staticwave_Ace: how long was it from the day you ordered 'till you got it?
Sep 07 18:28:32 <Gnutoo> Tig|, does the FSO of bearstech have a console?
Sep 07 18:28:45 <Tig|> Gnutoo: yep installed by default
Sep 07 18:28:51 <Tig|> well terminal app 
Sep 07 18:29:29 <Gnutoo> Tig|, wow thanks...so mabe i'll use this image...there is also tichy that now supports phonebook
Sep 07 18:29:52 <Tig|> ah now that would be worth looking into :)
Sep 07 18:29:59 <Tig|> let me know how you get on :)
Sep 07 18:30:01 <Staticwave_Ace> tomer: mine was not representative, I bought mine before they had any in stock
Sep 07 18:30:35 <Dave> Grr
Sep 07 18:30:37 <Dave> Stupid moddep
Sep 07 18:31:47 <tomer> Staticwave_Ace: which app did you develop?
Sep 07 18:32:32 <tomer> is there a repository for apps writen for the Neo?
Sep 07 18:33:06 <Dave> yes
Sep 07 18:33:18 <Dave> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
Sep 07 18:33:23 <Staticwave_Ace> tomer: nono, I did a preorder from koolu
Sep 07 18:33:28 <Staticwave_Ace> no apps yet
Sep 07 18:33:47 <tomer> cool
Sep 07 18:33:53 <tomer> thanks Dave
Sep 07 18:56:20 <zlfita> about keyboard of 2008.8
Sep 07 18:56:49 <zlfita> i don't want it to help me
Sep 07 18:57:02 <zlfita> just input whatever i tap
Sep 07 18:57:06 <zlfita> is that possible?
Sep 07 18:58:08 <Tig|> zlfita: I have not seen a simple guide yet
Sep 07 18:58:30 <Tig|> but one option is to switch to the illume/raster keyboard
Sep 07 18:59:00 <Tig|> zlfita: there is loads of info here that might help :  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate
Sep 07 18:59:13 <Dave> tap it like it's hot?
Sep 07 18:59:30 <zlfita> looking there, thanks
Sep 07 18:59:52 <cyrilbadaut> tigger : first try fail
Sep 07 18:59:52 <Tig|> zlfita: I know the illume/raster keyboard does when in terminal mode and you get all the keys :)
Sep 07 19:00:08 <cyrilbadaut> tigger : first try fail
Sep 07 19:00:18 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: what happened did it just boot into OSX?
Sep 07 19:00:36 <cyrilbadaut> no the mac cannot read the CD
Sep 07 19:00:43 <cyrilbadaut> but I think I know why
Sep 07 19:00:47 <cyrilbadaut> I burn another CD
Sep 07 19:00:51 <Dave> mac.fail?
Sep 07 19:00:59 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: did you download the ubuntu release for the Mac hardware?
Sep 07 19:01:09 <cyrilbadaut> ah ..
Sep 07 19:01:13 <cyrilbadaut> I think so .
Sep 07 19:01:16 <cyrilbadaut> not sure :)
Sep 07 19:01:30 <cyrilbadaut> kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
Sep 07 19:01:42 <cyrilbadaut> outcvh .. 'AMD'
Sep 07 19:01:46 <cyrilbadaut> not for me .. ?;
Sep 07 19:01:57 <cyrilbadaut> the other CD is ready
Sep 07 19:02:04 <Tig|> wait a sec
Sep 07 19:02:19 <cyrilbadaut> I try again if it fail again, I will try to found the good ubuntu
Sep 07 19:02:21 <Tig|> what model mac do you have and can we just check it runs ubuntu first
Sep 07 19:02:23 <cyrilbadaut> ok I wait
Sep 07 19:02:31 <Tig|> :)
Sep 07 19:02:36 <cyrilbadaut> macbookpro
Sep 07 19:02:36 <Tig|> might save some time :)
Sep 07 19:02:51 <Dave> macbookfail?
Sep 07 19:03:09 <cyrilbadaut> mac book fail but biologist fail too 
Sep 07 19:03:24 <cyrilbadaut> and finaly, biologist fail
Sep 07 19:03:28 <zlfita> Tig|, do i need a reboot after installing illume-config?
Sep 07 19:03:45 <cyrilbadaut> I have .exe on the CD .....
Sep 07 19:03:49 <cyrilbadaut> not normal for mac
Sep 07 19:04:00 <Tig|> zlfita: probably or do a CRTL ALT backspace to restart X
Sep 07 19:04:20 <Tig|> but as you don't have that keyboard yet then yes a reboot :)
Sep 07 19:04:37 <Tig|> sorry brain only kicked in half way through typing it :)
Sep 07 19:04:42 <apollo13> cyrilbadaut: all ubuntu cds have .exe files
Sep 07 19:04:53 <apollo13> cause there is a menu for windows users
Sep 07 19:04:53 <cyrilbadaut> ok thanks 
Sep 07 19:04:56 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 19:05:15 <cyrilbadaut> so I try too boot again, hope to see yo usoon ;)
Sep 07 19:05:27 <cyrilbadaut> quit
Sep 07 19:05:38 <Tig|> blast he has gone
Sep 07 19:06:04 <Dave> :p
Sep 07 19:06:09 <Dave> He'll be back...
Sep 07 19:06:15 <Tig|> are there any Mac people on here ?
Sep 07 19:06:58 <edistar> hiho
Sep 07 19:07:01 <edistar> Tig|: what is mac?
Sep 07 19:07:28 <Tig|> as in apple
Sep 07 19:08:11 <AJuOnLiNE> does having an iPod count :D
Sep 07 19:08:21 * AJuOnLiNE runs
Sep 07 19:08:40 <cyrilbadaut> fail again
Sep 07 19:08:45 <Tig|> and can help someone with a macbook pro flash their freerunner,  I have tried as far as i can help but now we are running into mac stuff and I don't have a machine to help with
Sep 07 19:08:55 <cyrilbadaut> when staring, I can select only my hard drive
Sep 07 19:09:08 <cjb> Tig|: I think almost everyone here runs Linux.
Sep 07 19:09:18 <Zilla> i dont :(
Sep 07 19:09:19 <Zilla> atm
Sep 07 19:09:21 <edistar> Tig|: using a livecd would be much easier
Sep 07 19:09:27 <cyrilbadaut> Exept me but I will
Sep 07 19:09:33 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: I think we need to wait for a mac person to come along
Sep 07 19:09:37 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 19:09:50 <cyrilbadaut> I think I can wqait for a long time ... :)
Sep 07 19:09:56 <Weiss> should there be an "autocenter" button at the top right in TangoGPS?
Sep 07 19:10:08 <Tig|> edistar:  well cyrilbadaut has got the live cd downloaded and burnt but cant get the mac to boot from it,  any ideas?
Sep 07 19:10:43 <cyrilbadaut> I check if it is the good linux for mac
Sep 07 19:10:45 <cyrilbadaut> first
Sep 07 19:11:23 <cjb> Tig|: hold down C or whatever it is to boot from CD?
Sep 07 19:11:32 <cjb> and yeah, make sure it's the Mac CD
Sep 07 19:11:45 <Tig|> CJB got a URL for it?
Sep 07 19:11:51 <cyrilbadaut> ok I held donw the 'alt key
Sep 07 19:12:06 <cyrilbadaut> I try now with the 'C' key
Sep 07 19:12:12 <cyrilbadaut> see you in 5minutes 
Sep 07 19:12:15 <Tig|> cjb: cyrilbadaut is the one with the mac :) 
Sep 07 19:12:18 <Dave> What is /lib/udev/net.agent ?
Sep 07 19:12:38 <cjb> Tig|: oh!  sorry.
Sep 07 19:12:42 <Dave> Moreover, why does it appear to be forkbombing my system?
Sep 07 19:13:02 <Tig|> cjb: no problem but please help me fix his problem :)
Sep 07 19:13:06 <cyrilbadaut> 'C' hey or 'Alt' key
Sep 07 19:13:21 <cjb> I don't know much about macs
Sep 07 19:13:38 <Tig|> cjb: neither do I :)  hence the plea for help :)
Sep 07 19:13:41 <cjb> not since they did the wacky EFI stuff
Sep 07 19:13:43 <cyrilbadaut> so yo utold me C because you though I had a PC ?
Sep 07 19:13:58 <cjb> no, holding down C to boot from CD is one of the few things I know about macs
Sep 07 19:14:03 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 19:14:11 <cyrilbadaut> thanks so I try it now 
Sep 07 19:14:20 <undrwater> C 
Sep 07 19:14:25 <cyrilbadaut> and I have to learn more how to use irc .. 
Sep 07 19:14:32 <cyrilbadaut> cjb : thanks
Sep 07 19:14:41 <cyrilbadaut> coming soon
Sep 07 19:15:20 <ap02> anybody experiencing problems upgrading FSO packages?
Sep 07 19:15:44 <ap02> I get a segfault when I type 'opkg upgrade'
Sep 07 19:15:57 <ap02> root@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade
Sep 07 19:15:57 <undrwater> ax Pt foray '
Sep 07 19:16:03 <ap02> Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:-20080729-r1 to 1:-20080904-r1...
Sep 07 19:16:07 <ap02> Segmentation fault
Sep 07 19:16:22 <cyrilbadaut> Tig : in french http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/installation/macbook
Sep 07 19:17:11 <apollo13> ap02: same here
Sep 07 19:17:11 <Tig|> ap02: I did but it was after I had been messing around with stuff,  I ended up reflashing to milestone 2 and adding the bearstech feeds and everything has been fine since
Sep 07 19:17:33 <undrwater> as of today ?j
Sep 07 19:18:21 <cyrilbadaut> Tig : problem... I use a wifi connection, will ubuntu will allow me to connect easly ?
Sep 07 19:18:34 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: as far as I can tell that is for installing ubuntu not just for booting the live cd  (my french is quite poor :) ) 
Sep 07 19:18:59 <cyrilbadaut> yes I realise that when reading
Sep 07 19:19:11 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: it might support it out of the box or not, without a mac here I can't tell you
Sep 07 19:19:21 <Tig|> back in a min, phone
Sep 07 19:19:22 <cyrilbadaut> ok I try it now 
Sep 07 19:19:31 <cyrilbadaut> back in 5 min if ok
Sep 07 19:21:46 <timo2k> Tigl|: I have kubuntu 8.04 on my macbook
Sep 07 19:23:42 <Tig|> timo2k: aha!
Sep 07 19:24:13 <timo2k> grub supports EFI bootin, is that your problem?
Sep 07 19:24:43 <Tig|> timo2k: have you managed to flash a freerunner from osx or can guide an osx owner through booting a linux distro and flashing it that way?
Sep 07 19:24:53 <cyrilbadaut> Tig cjb : fail the C key is wrong I think, the 'alt' one seems to be better
Sep 07 19:25:02 <Zilla> or alt+c?
Sep 07 19:25:49 <cyrilbadaut> I don't think so
Sep 07 19:26:07 <timo2k> no Ive wiped OSX down from my macbook :/ you just have to insert a live CD and hold the special key when the chime comes
Sep 07 19:26:24 <Zilla> http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.shtml
Sep 07 19:26:27 <Zilla> first google hit
Sep 07 19:26:29 <cyrilbadaut> when alt : then I have the choise (but can't see the cd) so the choise is my hardisc..
Sep 07 19:26:37 <Tig|> timo2k: any idea what the special keys are?
Sep 07 19:26:42 <Tig|> ah
Sep 07 19:26:44 <Zilla> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=boot+from+cd+mac&meta=
Sep 07 19:26:47 <Tig|> so you get the menu
Sep 07 19:27:00 <Dave> rawr
Sep 07 19:27:11 <timo2k> cant remember, Ill search :)
Sep 07 19:27:37 <Tig|> right is there different iso for macbooks or is it the standard x86 image?
Sep 07 19:28:30 <Zilla> if you have an intel box.... you can boot the x86 i think
Sep 07 19:28:31 <timo2k> you have to hold down the C key
Sep 07 19:28:33 <TAsnn> Tig|, i guess that depends on the version of the mac, if it's x86, than it shouldn't be different, anyhow these are just assumptions, google for it :)
Sep 07 19:28:33 <Zilla> *intel mac
Sep 07 19:29:38 <cyrilbadaut> funy .. no CMD-OPT exist .. but 'fn', 'ctrl' , 'alt' or 'apple' but 'apple' should be CMD
Sep 07 19:30:06 <cyrilbadaut> try again .. coming soon
Sep 07 19:30:08 <timo2k> Tig|: here you cant get much information : http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO
Sep 07 19:31:33 <Tig|> timo2k: ta but it is not me with the mac,  all we need to do is get cyrilbadaut to be able to boot ubuntu from cd so he can flash his freerunner :)
Sep 07 19:32:07 <ap02> does anyone know what is the default web browser for FSO?
Sep 07 19:32:23 <timo2k> okay, since grub supports EFI, it should boot =)
Sep 07 19:34:28 <Tanuva> ap02: there's no web browser in fso
Sep 07 19:38:00 <cyrilbadaut> fail
Sep 07 19:38:38 <lambda> hi
Sep 07 19:38:41 <Tanuva> epic fail.
Sep 07 19:38:57 <cyrilbadaut> tig : fail again
Sep 07 19:40:34 <ap02> ok, thanks.
Sep 07 19:41:39 <cyrilbadaut> Tig : I must have Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
Sep 07 19:44:09 <cyrilbadaut> tig : i found the site where I downloaded Ubuntu
Sep 07 19:44:09 <cyrilbadaut> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
Sep 07 19:44:19 <Tig|> cyrilbadaut: the two ubuntu versions should not matter for this
Sep 07 19:44:26 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 19:44:34 <timo2k> cyrilbadaut: kubuntu just comes with the kde desktop
Sep 07 19:44:46 <cyrilbadaut> humhum .. :)
Sep 07 19:44:49 <Tig|> to be perfectly honest I think you need someone who knows macs to give you a hand 
Sep 07 19:44:55 <cyrilbadaut> ok
Sep 07 19:45:08 <cyrilbadaut> so first I read the How to on the web
Sep 07 19:45:56 <Tig|> as we tried but really don't know enough to help properly and are reading the same thngs you are but lack the machines to test :(
Sep 07 19:46:13 <cyrilbadaut> I think I didn't download the 'livecd'
Sep 07 19:47:15 <cyrilbadaut> yes I understand.
Sep 07 19:47:50 <cyrilbadaut> all : do anybody have a mac here ? and run a cdlive of ubuntu ?
Sep 07 19:55:29 <slaxxin> if u had more slackers  here u might just have an operating system that works
Sep 07 19:56:33 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: what do you need to know?
Sep 07 19:56:46 <cyrilbadaut> everything :-)
Sep 07 19:56:48 <cyrilbadaut> no
Sep 07 19:57:03 <cyrilbadaut> I want to use my mac to flash the freerunner 
Sep 07 19:57:15 <cyrilbadaut> so I want to boot on a ubuntu cdlive
Sep 07 19:57:28 <cyrilbadaut> so i downloaded ubuntu, burn it
Sep 07 19:57:39 <cyrilbadaut> but I can't boot on it
Sep 07 19:58:01 <cyrilbadaut> and worse : I am not informatician but biologist
Sep 07 19:58:14 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: you have to install refit, a second bootloader
Sep 07 19:58:26 <cyrilbadaut> so I burn an iso image of ubuntu
Sep 07 19:58:59 <cyrilbadaut> but when I press alt, I should be abble to select the CD to boot on it
Sep 07 19:59:01 <cyrilbadaut> no ? 
Sep 07 19:59:13 <Toutoug> Hi, I try to use the enlightenment_remote command, but it complains about E_IPC_SOCKET env variable not set. Somebody have already used this command?
Sep 07 20:01:18 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: not sure, didn't do it that way
Sep 07 20:01:28 <lambda> for the most stablest issue , which release do you suggest please ?
Sep 07 20:01:32 <edistar> I installed rEFIt and could then select 'boot from cd'
Sep 07 20:02:06 <lambda> fso-testing sounds  eating  my device XD
Sep 07 20:03:00 <lambda> even doing a call is beyond his ability
Sep 07 20:04:03 <lambda> hmm
Sep 07 20:04:15 <lambda> without any SD card it works
Sep 07 20:04:56 <timo2k> cyrilbadaut: hmm for me it worked just inserted the cd and hold C key maybe you have an other mac version?! rEFIt is a osx bootmanagertool with that it should really work :)
Sep 07 20:05:05 <timo2k> have you tested the cd in an other pc?
Sep 07 20:05:58 <edistar> or with the md5 checksum?
Sep 07 20:14:10 <Toutoug> enligthenment_remote module-unload illume is very bad :]
Sep 07 20:14:54 <flat> Hi all, does anyone know how I can prevent the freerunner from booting up when I plug it in?
Sep 07 20:17:25 <Toutoug> perhaps boot it before :) on uBoot, plug it and choose poweroff
Sep 07 20:17:34 <Toutoug> not tried yet
Sep 07 20:19:15 <cyrilbadaut> timo2k : I donwloded a wrong version of ubuntu for PC ? processeur 64 bits (AMD64 et Intel EM64T)
Sep 07 20:19:51 <flat> Toutoug: Thanks, will give it a try
Sep 07 20:20:16 <qknight> hey
Sep 07 20:20:43 <qknight> the second time my second os installation on a 8gb microSD card was 'eredicated' with a strange crash before
Sep 07 20:20:57 <qknight> now the boot loader says that it can't find the partition and stuff anymore
Sep 07 20:22:26 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: should be ok
Sep 07 20:23:08 <viq> qknight: I heard something about SDHC (4GB and more) cards sometimes suffer from a bug that wipes the partition table
Sep 07 20:25:15 <qknight> viq: i discovered that in an empiric fashion
Sep 07 20:25:29 <qknight> viq: do you know which bug that is in detail?
Sep 07 20:25:46 <qknight> i mean is there a bug db with infos where to find futher issue reports?
Sep 07 20:28:02 <qknight> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/23/2651964
Sep 07 20:28:03 <qknight> an nice
Sep 07 20:30:52 <RXShorty> Hi all
Sep 07 20:31:13 <Zilla> Hi RXShorty 
Sep 07 20:31:20 <RXShorty> Hi Zilla
Sep 07 20:31:44 <RXShorty> Can I again ask a question here? I want to know how to send a file from my freerunner to my Desktop using SSH
Sep 07 20:32:03 <edistar> RXShorty: with scp
Sep 07 20:32:05 <Zilla> using the put command?
Sep 07 20:32:05 <qknight> RXShorty: ask your question, don't ask to ask, ask smart questions
Sep 07 20:32:25 <edistar> scp root@192.168.0.2:/path/to/file /home/RXShorty/
Sep 07 20:32:37 <RXShorty> wow great response guys!
Sep 07 20:32:38 <RXShorty> thanks
Sep 07 20:32:40 <Toutoug> RXShorty: scp doesn't work?
Sep 07 20:32:48 <edistar> RXShorty: good luck :)
Sep 07 20:32:54 <RXShorty> Toutoug didn't know the command :) Thanks
Sep 07 20:33:08 <Toutoug> edistar: you're quicker and you're answer more complete! :)
Sep 07 20:33:15 <Toutoug> I've to train
Sep 07 20:33:17 <RXShorty> ;)
Sep 07 20:33:55 <tomboy64> is there a way to manually call raster's keyboard?
Sep 07 20:34:06 <tomboy64> e.g. some kind of shelf-gadget or sumthn
Sep 07 20:36:40 <edistar> tomboy64: yes, via dbus
Sep 07 20:36:54 <edistar> tomboy64: also a button at the top of the illume shelf
Sep 07 20:37:00 <edistar> but it might be hidden in your build
Sep 07 20:37:16 <tomboy64> uhm
Sep 07 20:37:19 <tomboy64> can't find it?
Sep 07 20:37:34 <tomboy64> i have om2008.8 update from sept 4th
Sep 07 20:39:01 <tomboy64> oh
Sep 07 20:39:03 <tomboy64> hm
Sep 07 20:39:09 <tomboy64> i found something in the wiki :-D
Sep 07 20:43:04 <tomboy64> ahh
Sep 07 20:43:10 <tomboy64> reinstalling illume-config fixed it
Sep 07 20:51:33 <tomboy64> mhmm
Sep 07 20:51:42 <tomboy64> i guess i'm getting a grip of Om
Sep 07 20:51:45 <tomboy64> *on
Sep 07 20:59:26 <Amorphous> does anyone know how the supend by the power button is handled on 2008.8? i'm trying to add the  pactl suspend-sink 1/0   to fix the audio
Sep 07 21:00:28 <Amorphous> because /etc/apm/resume.d/* doesn't seem to be executed
Sep 07 21:00:45 <cyrilbadaut> edistar : still here ? 
Sep 07 21:02:33 <RXShorty> Peeps scp root@192.168.0.200:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents/Freerunner/Debian gives me a error
Sep 07 21:02:34 <RXShorty> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused
Sep 07 21:03:04 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: yep
Sep 07 21:03:18 <edistar> RXShorty: 192.168.0.202 I suppose
Sep 07 21:03:26 <Mononoke> RXShorty: freerunner is 202
Sep 07 21:03:57 <RXShorty> hmm
Sep 07 21:03:59 <RXShorty> let me check :)
Sep 07 21:06:16 <scarlson_> How can I toggle fullscreen mode from command line with OM2008.8 ?
Sep 07 21:08:28 <RXShorty> do I have to put my IP of my desktop in front of /home/username/Documents?
Sep 07 21:09:51 <SpeedEvil> no
Sep 07 21:10:14 <SpeedEvil> scp foo@host:path/wild .
Sep 07 21:10:29 <SpeedEvil> copies as user foo, from host, with path/wildcard to the current dir
Sep 07 21:11:14 <RXShorty> SpeedEvil: using this command: scp root@192.168.0.202:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents/Freerunner
Sep 07 21:11:30 <RXShorty> gives error no such file/direcotry
Sep 07 21:11:40 <RXShorty> at /home/rob/etcetc
Sep 07 21:12:31 <cyrilbadaut> edistar : I almost finish to download ubuntu, then I burn then I try again and give you the result
Sep 07 21:12:33 <edistar> RXShorty: then that dir doesn't exist
Sep 07 21:12:37 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: okey
Sep 07 21:12:59 <RXShorty> edistar: it does exist on my own system
Sep 07 21:13:05 <F4t> hey, did anyone manage to hack the greenphone sdk to compile for the freerunner?
Sep 07 21:13:13 <Xecuter> someone here using lint-wifi?
Sep 07 21:13:26 <cyrilbadaut> edistar : I hope I will not have just a command line, I will not know what to do with it
Sep 07 21:13:34 <Xecuter> n00b question comin' atcha :P how do i run it?
Sep 07 21:13:46 <edistar> cyrilbadaut: no, ubuntu is quite friendly
Sep 07 21:13:47 <RXShorty> nevermind
Sep 07 21:13:48 <RXShorty> it works
Sep 07 21:13:51 <RXShorty> sorry edistar
Sep 07 21:13:54 <RXShorty> you where right :)
Sep 07 21:14:03 <edistar> RXShorty: yeah, using scp all the time ;)
Sep 07 21:14:15 <RXShorty> very sweet
Sep 07 21:14:22 <RXShorty> thanks!
Sep 07 21:15:43 <tomboy64> anyone got a clue where to modify xterm's outfit?
Sep 07 21:15:50 <tomboy64> .Xresources doesn't work :-|
Sep 07 21:16:59 <RXShorty> edistar: ok this is strange... my terminal gives it has copied to the dir
Sep 07 21:17:03 <RXShorty> but I can't see it
Sep 07 21:17:04 <RXShorty> haahah
Sep 07 21:17:04 <RXShorty> damn
Sep 07 21:17:28 <tomboy64> what's the command you used?
Sep 07 21:17:50 <RXShorty> scp root@192.168.0.202:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents
Sep 07 21:19:01 <tomboy64> RXShorty: you have experience with scp?
Sep 07 21:19:09 <RXShorty> no sorry
Sep 07 21:19:26 <tomboy64> well, you should have an explicit status-bar running and showing 100%
Sep 07 21:19:32 <tomboy64> else nothing was copied over
Sep 07 21:19:46 <RXShorty> yes it shows 100%
Sep 07 21:19:50 <RXShorty> that is the strange part
Sep 07 21:19:55 <edistar> that's explicit enough.. ;)
Sep 07 21:19:59 <tomboy64> :)
Sep 07 21:20:08 <RXShorty> :)
Sep 07 21:20:17 <edistar> RXShorty: ls /home/rob/Documents tells you what?
Sep 07 21:20:32 <scarlson_> How can I toggle fullscreen mode from command line with OM2008.8 ? Need to remove the titlebar to run my app in fullscreen...
Sep 07 21:21:10 <RXShorty> edistar: ls?
Sep 07 21:21:12 <RXShorty> ;)
Sep 07 21:21:24 <edistar> RXShorty: you know ls? ^^
Sep 07 21:22:08 <RXShorty> hehe yes used it some times
Sep 07 21:26:17 <slaxxin> scp -r includes subfol;ders
Sep 07 21:26:54 <slaxxin> scp -r music root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/music
Sep 07 21:28:06 <slaxxin> scp -r music root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/
Sep 07 21:28:26 <slaxxin> i need debian help
Sep 07 21:29:42 <slaxxin> scp from host to freerunner
Sep 07 21:32:52 <Weiss> whooops - just performed an accidental GTA02 physical robustness test
Sep 07 21:33:15 <Zilla> And did it passed ?
Sep 07 21:34:15 <Weiss> it did
Sep 07 21:34:34 <Zilla> did you dropped it?
Sep 07 21:35:02 <Weiss> accidentally yanked the USB cable, flipping it from my desk onto the floor
Sep 07 21:35:19 <Zilla> well an drop of less than 1 mtr
Sep 07 21:35:40 <Weiss> yes, but quite rapid
Sep 07 21:35:48 <Weiss> hopefully no further tests will be required...
Sep 07 21:35:53 <Zilla> you hapy it did passed :)
Sep 07 21:35:56 <Zilla> *happy
Sep 07 21:37:05 <Staticwave_Ace> done that one several times
Sep 07 21:37:28 <Staticwave_Ace> the location of the USB plug ensure optimal spinning to prevent last-second catches
Sep 07 21:37:30 * Weiss is more pleased that it passed his (intentional) phone and SMS tests :)
Sep 07 21:37:41 <Staticwave_Ace> hrm
Sep 07 21:37:53 <Staticwave_Ace> shoehorned newest dailybuild kernel into qtopia
Sep 07 21:38:03 <Staticwave_Ace> no more kernel warning/oops stuff in the logs
Sep 07 21:38:42 <Staticwave_Ace> anyone know how to prevent bluetooth from powering up everytime with qtopia?
Sep 07 21:38:50 <dolf1074> anyone using the stable repository of the om2008.8? When was the last update you had?
Sep 07 21:40:56 <Weiss> dolf1074: haven't had any at all since flashing the image yesterday, if that helps
Sep 07 21:42:17 <tomboy64> is there an opkg available with the glamo-enabled mplayer?
Sep 07 21:42:23 <dolf1074> thanks, but I would like to know it for a longer period. I had mine last on 4 sept and aren't getting any now. 
Sep 07 21:42:31 <tomboy64> e.g. with glamos mpeg4-support compiled in
Sep 07 21:51:16 <slaxxin> if that had been an iphone the screec would be bronen
Sep 07 21:51:32 <slaxxin> screen broken
Sep 07 21:51:50 <slaxxin> hair nip
Sep 07 21:54:07 <|FiLiP|> Staticwave_Ace: still here ?
Sep 07 21:55:08 <Staticwave_Ace> |FiLiP|: yup
Sep 07 21:55:37 <|FiLiP|> so you're using qtopia , what's your experience with battery life ?
Sep 07 21:55:54 <Staticwave_Ace> its good after you realize that suspend is off by default
Sep 07 21:56:14 <|FiLiP|> I re-flashed mine with latest qtopia yesterday, and it has been runnin for >24 hours now , and battery indicator is still at 80%
Sep 07 21:57:01 <|FiLiP|> that is: registered to network, almost not using it, only received 1 sms, bluetooth off, wifi off
Sep 07 21:57:31 <Staticwave_Ace> I think it still eating SMS' once in  awhile
Sep 07 21:59:22 <|FiLiP|> in my opinion, it's pretty stable and usable as a phone
Sep 07 21:59:32 <Staticwave_Ace> agreed
Sep 07 21:59:40 <Zilla> well a phone is used to text and dailing
Sep 07 21:59:43 <|FiLiP|> only lacks some applications (decent email client, webbrowser, ...)
Sep 07 21:59:50 <Zilla> so if it can do both its an phone ;)
Sep 07 22:00:20 <Staticwave_Ace> |FiLiP|: lpotter keeps promising some new and great things from 4.4
Sep 07 22:00:24 <Staticwave_Ace> like a webkit browser
Sep 07 22:00:40 <|FiLiP|> 4.4 will include webbrowser
Sep 07 22:01:04 <FxChiP> 4.4?
Sep 07 22:01:13 <|FiLiP|> qtopia4.4 that is
Sep 07 22:01:17 <Staticwave_Ace> yeah
Sep 07 22:01:33 <Staticwave_Ace> if you follow the community mailing list, lpotter keeps dropping hints about the new features in 4.4
Sep 07 22:01:44 <Staticwave_Ace> screen rotation, webkit browser
Sep 07 22:01:48 * Staticwave_Ace tries to think what else
Sep 07 22:01:49 <|FiLiP|> and he should know;-)
Sep 07 22:02:04 <dolf1074> and when can we expect it?
Sep 07 22:02:05 <Staticwave_Ace> he promised to look into getting the sync protocol gpl'd
Sep 07 22:02:14 <Staticwave_Ace> dolf1074: "soon"
Sep 07 22:02:21 <dolf1074> nice
Sep 07 22:02:28 <ljp> sync protocol IS gpl. its the desktop side that runs on windows that isn;t
Sep 07 22:02:53 <Staticwave_Ace> ah
Sep 07 22:02:56 <|FiLiP|> if i'm not mistaken, there is no desktop app that sync with the current phone
Sep 07 22:02:58 <Staticwave_Ace> I misunderstood
Sep 07 22:03:23 <|FiLiP|> de only desktop sync was or an older version, and is not compatible
Sep 07 22:03:38 <dolf1074> qtopia is rapidly releasing, their previously release was on 28 aug
Sep 07 22:03:43 <ljp> there is a desktop app. it is only for windows, and it isnt gpl
Sep 07 22:04:01 <|FiLiP|> but it does not sync with 4.x, or does it ?
Sep 07 22:04:09 <Zilla> a linux based phone and an sync app only  for windows....
Sep 07 22:04:18 <Zilla> sounds creepy
Sep 07 22:04:20 <ljp> 28 aug is only a patch release. the upcoming 4.4 is a feature release
Sep 07 22:04:48 <ljp> Zilla: why is that? 97% of all desktop computers run windows
Sep 07 22:05:09 <Zilla> well linux based phone should have an linux sync app
Sep 07 22:05:15 <Zilla> and yeah my pc runs windows atm :)
Sep 07 22:05:24 <dolf1074> still, it's 2 releases that coming rapid. Mozilla himself had problems with 3 releases in one moth
Sep 07 22:05:31 <Zilla> but where can i find thad sync app?
Sep 07 22:05:47 <|FiLiP|> on the otherhand, i installed an FSO snapshot the day before, and I liked it. Speed was ok, looked nice and easier to port existing applications
Sep 07 22:06:08 <ljp> the sync protocol is published, anyone can write a sync app for qtopia
Sep 07 22:06:25 <Zilla> fso == ??
Sep 07 22:06:31 <Zilla> fass software update?
Sep 07 22:06:35 <Zilla> *fall
Sep 07 22:06:39 <scarlson_> The older distro had a fullscreen toggle did it not? (AUX button).. Does anyone know the interface/api to access such things as hiding the title bar,?
Sep 07 22:06:58 * Staticwave_Ace forwards http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/overviews.html to the OpenSync guys
Sep 07 22:07:02 <Zilla> there are qtopia sync apps right now
Sep 07 22:07:03 <|FiLiP|> FSO is an abbreviation for FreeSmartphone.Org. With FSO, Openmoko is working on a stable system services software back-end. 
Sep 07 22:07:08 <Zilla> ah
Sep 07 22:07:12 <ljp> |FiLiP|: that depends on the app
Sep 07 22:07:52 <ljp> any Qt app can be 'ported' to qtopia easily. I have done it many times
Sep 07 22:07:59 <Staticwave_Ace> http://qtopiasync.blogspot.com/
Sep 07 22:08:19 <|FiLiP|> sure, but FSO can run qtopia, GTK+, X11 apps
Sep 07 22:08:36 <|FiLiP|> yes, but not all apps are QT apps.
Sep 07 22:09:52 <ljp> so
Sep 07 22:10:37 <|FiLiP|> ljp: will you be attending the dev days in Munich ?
Sep 07 22:10:57 <ljp> |FiLiP|:not this year
Sep 07 22:12:15 <|FiLiP|> did Trolltech/Nokia sign the NDA for the glamo ? 
Sep 07 22:12:43 <ljp> no. smedia wanted $12,000 just for the spec document
Sep 07 22:12:58 <|FiLiP|> so the current qtopia image is not using any graphics acceleration ? 
Sep 07 22:13:24 <|FiLiP|> in other words, it could even run smoother 
Sep 07 22:13:24 <ljp> nope
Sep 07 22:13:30 <ljp> possibly
Sep 07 22:13:49 <ljp> prelinking makes it faster as well
Sep 07 22:14:02 <Staticwave_Ace> hrmm
Sep 07 22:14:04 <Staticwave_Ace> prelinking
Sep 07 22:14:15 <Staticwave_Ace> can the desktop-style prelink be used?
Sep 07 22:14:15 <ljp> the current 4.3.2 release image at qtopia.net is prelinked
Sep 07 22:14:33 <ljp> what do you mean desltop style?
Sep 07 22:14:40 <ljp> there is onyl one way to prelink :)
Sep 07 22:14:45 <Staticwave_Ace> ah
Sep 07 22:14:45 <slaxxin> o noosss ims going back to qtopia
Sep 07 22:15:17 <ljp> trouble is you have to run the prelink any time you update
Sep 07 22:15:27 <Staticwave_Ace> yup
Sep 07 22:15:32 <Staticwave_Ace> I know (run gentoo)
Sep 07 22:15:45 <ljp> I found it makes it really snappy
Sep 07 22:16:00 <|FiLiP|> indeed, it is
Sep 07 22:16:14 <ljp> of course, I had to manuall compile the prelink app as its not even in oe
Sep 07 22:16:25 <Staticwave_Ace> speaking of OE
Sep 07 22:16:26 <Staticwave_Ace> why OE?
Sep 07 22:16:33 <slaxxin> will qtopia find me debian on sdcard ok?
Sep 07 22:16:51 <ljp> because openmoko uses OE to build its packages/
Sep 07 22:17:01 <Staticwave_Ace> OE seems like a very old and odd system base
Sep 07 22:17:51 <Staticwave_Ace> I see there's some sparse gentoo instructions now
Sep 07 22:17:55 <Staticwave_Ace> I'm wondering how their base is
Sep 07 22:18:05 <Staticwave_Ace> their desktop installs are pretty lean
Sep 07 22:18:21 <slaxxin> how lean
Sep 07 22:18:47 <slaxxin> 100 megs?
Sep 07 22:18:54 <slaxxin> 200?
Sep 07 22:19:18 <Staticwave_Ace> stage3 compressed is   114681 KB
Sep 07 22:19:26 <Staticwave_Ace> and that includes gcc and all the dev libs
Sep 07 22:19:34 <slaxxin> x?
Sep 07 22:19:37 <Staticwave_Ace> you could use catylist to build a system without all the build deps
Sep 07 22:19:38 <Staticwave_Ace> no X
Sep 07 22:19:47 <Staticwave_Ace> its a *base* system
Sep 07 22:19:57 <Staticwave_Ace> stick everything in afterwards
Sep 07 22:20:05 <|FiLiP|> ljp: will the web-browser be (based on) midori or a Nokia one ? (or no comment ;-)
Sep 07 22:20:22 <Staticwave_Ace> slaxxin: and that's x86 of course
Sep 07 22:21:01 <ljp> |FiLiP|: neither. based on webkit. the front end in qotpia is only a simple example. 
Sep 07 22:21:06 <ljp> qtopia, that is
Sep 07 22:21:06 <enrico> Is there a way to tell the qtopia handwriting recognition not to be predictive?  It's quite good in understanding what I write, but prediction makes it worse
Sep 07 22:21:14 <Staticwave_Ace> slaxxin: http://torindel.sezamkowa.net/openmoko/armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi/~arm/ gentoo stages for Freerunner
Sep 07 22:21:45 <ljp> enrico: yes
Sep 07 22:22:36 <enrico> ljp: how?
Sep 07 22:22:53 <slaxxin> so it is a nokia open source project
Sep 07 22:24:38 <ljp> do a triangle starting at the bottom left, move across to the right, up then down
Sep 07 22:24:45 <ljp> twice :)
Sep 07 22:25:11 <ljp> you'll see  a very tiny small icon with 4 images to change
Sep 07 22:25:28 * Staticwave_Ace has to unlearn grafitti so he can use this predictive writing thing
Sep 07 22:25:33 <ljp> slaxxin: qtopia is open source
Sep 07 22:25:38 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: you dont use catalyst for that, you just specify diffrent ROOT and INSTALL_MASK and merge binary packages to diffrent directory
Sep 07 22:25:44 <enrico> ljp: thanks
Sep 07 22:25:52 <torindel> you can skip compiler and things you dont need
Sep 07 22:26:10 <Staticwave_Ace> torindel: well I'm just guessing :) I haven't done a crossbuild install before
Sep 07 22:26:19 <Staticwave_Ace> torindel: I assume you hav?
Sep 07 22:26:41 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: you dont need crossbuild for that you can do it from that stage
Sep 07 22:27:30 <torindel> (emerge to diffrent dir and when you got all you need you can delete unpacked stage and just use that dir)
Sep 07 22:27:56 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: and as you see i did since we got that stage from somewhere ;]
Sep 07 22:28:03 <torindel> stages*
Sep 07 22:28:07 <Staticwave_Ace> indeed
Sep 07 22:28:18 <Staticwave_Ace> I'm gonna try and get this running right now
Sep 07 22:28:29 <enrico> ljp: thanks *a lot*!
Sep 07 22:28:37 <torindel> slaxxin: as for X you got them in binary packages too
Sep 07 22:29:00 <Staticwave_Ace> torindel: so are you providing a binhost for this?
Sep 07 22:29:12 <ljp> enrico: no problem :)
Sep 07 22:30:58 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: yep
Sep 07 22:31:25 <torindel> (well binaries itself, host is not mine)
Sep 07 22:32:03 <Staticwave_Ace> so manually building?
Sep 07 22:33:09 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: normall build with emerge
Sep 07 22:33:21 <Staticwave_Ace> ah, so only what you've built so far
Sep 07 22:34:25 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: i'm building other things atm
Sep 07 22:34:44 <cyrilbadaut> edistar : it almost works..
Sep 07 22:34:55 <torindel> trying to get uclibc stage
Sep 07 22:35:01 <cyrilbadaut> but a probleme I don't have my wifi connection
Sep 07 22:35:26 <cyrilbadaut> Tigl : I can use ubuntu but no wifi
Sep 07 22:35:37 <Staticwave_Ace> torindel: I was thinking that's a better choice
Sep 07 22:36:03 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: and more pain in a ass to build
Sep 07 22:36:18 <Staticwave_Ace> I'm going to try to read up more on this, I'd like to help out moko stuff, and my gentoo experience would transfer well
Sep 07 22:36:48 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: as for that stage used no patches (or near to no patches), uclibc stage will be one big patch -__-
Sep 07 22:36:58 <cyrilbadaut> that's all for tonigh
Sep 07 22:37:10 <cyrilbadaut> edistar : go to bed see you
Sep 07 22:37:27 <cyrilbadaut> Tigl_ :  go to bed see you
Sep 07 22:37:54 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: you can use that stage to setup qemu build box too
Sep 07 22:38:10 <Staticwave_Ace> hrm
Sep 07 22:38:14 <Staticwave_Ace> that could work
Sep 07 22:38:25 <Staticwave_Ace> is that easier than a real crosscompile system?
Sep 07 22:38:28 <torindel> (somethings need to run confiure natively)
Sep 07 22:38:32 <torindel> yes
Sep 07 22:45:19 <Staticwave_Ace> oh dear
Sep 07 22:45:21 <Staticwave_Ace> out of space
Sep 07 22:45:33 <Staticwave_Ace> needs > 512mb card?
Sep 07 22:48:21 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: portage is 600MB ;]
Sep 07 22:48:59 <torindel> if you skip portage and copy things you only need you should fit
Sep 07 22:49:03 <hipitihop> what is involved to setup an environment on my ubuntu desktop so that I can compile from source for the fr ?
Sep 07 22:49:08 <torindel> (use INSTALL_MASK)
Sep 07 22:50:09 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: if you have gentoo on your home computer you can prepare ministage with use of packages too
Sep 07 22:50:21 <torindel> (binary emerge with ROOT=)
Sep 07 22:51:17 <hipitihop> I just want to bring across the odd thing not yet available as a package for 2008.8 e.g bsdgames
Sep 07 22:51:28 <Staticwave_Ace> torindel: finally, a reason to buy an 8gig microSD
Sep 07 22:52:47 <torindel> Staticwave_Ace: 8GB kingston here ;]
Sep 07 23:18:14 <hipitihop> does anyone know if the latest qtopia image supports bluetooth headset for making/taking calls ?
Sep 07 23:18:54 <mjr> ljp probably
Sep 07 23:47:33 <torpor> hi all
Sep 07 23:47:51 <torpor> anyone awake?
Sep 07 23:51:18 <weirdedout>  hi torpor
Sep 07 23:55:00 <Dave> We hear you.
Sep 07 23:59:42 * torindel yawns
Sep 07 23:59:54 * Dave moos
Sep 08 00:00:32 * weirdedout suspends
Sep 08 00:01:24 * hipitihop snores
Sep 08 00:01:32 * ljp hacks
Sep 08 00:03:24 <Dave> guess germans like tentacools :p
Sep 08 00:12:45 <alphabeat> can somebody help me with 'make fso-testing-image' please? http://pastebin.com/m40c8a76b
Sep 08 00:13:02 <alphabeat> also, this builds a jffs image? 
Sep 08 00:13:31 <Staticwave_Ace> ljp: is it possible to prevent qtopia from powering up the bluetooth?
Sep 08 00:15:49 <ljp> you mean disableing bluetooth? or not having the chip be powered at all?
Sep 08 00:16:16 <Staticwave_Ace> well, whatever is done by "devtools -> power off bluetooth"
Sep 08 00:16:31 <ljp> edit qtopia startup script
Sep 08 00:16:39 <Staticwave_Ace> /etc/init.d/qpe
Sep 08 00:16:52 <ljp> yes, or /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh
Sep 08 00:17:03 <Staticwave_Ace> what do those devtools call?
Sep 08 00:17:21 <ljp> a script in the qtopia bin directory
Sep 08 00:17:25 <Staticwave_Ace> thanks
Sep 08 00:19:31 <Staticwave_Ace> just for that extra bit of battery
Sep 08 00:19:33 <Staticwave_Ace> for now
Sep 08 00:24:14 <Dave> ljp, so when will 4.4 be ready?
Sep 08 00:24:23 <Staticwave_Ace> "soon"
Sep 08 00:24:25 <Staticwave_Ace> lol
Sep 08 00:24:35 <ljp> :) yep. what he said
Sep 08 00:24:44 <Staticwave_Ace> nailed it ;)
Sep 08 00:24:45 <Dave> bullshit
Sep 08 00:24:58 <Dave> last time 4.3.2 was "soon" and then a month later it was released covertly
Sep 08 00:24:58 <ljp> no. it really will be ready soon
Sep 08 00:25:10 <Dave> be lorn leaked it :P
Sep 08 00:25:12 <Staticwave_Ace> a month is prety soon
Sep 08 00:25:15 <ljp> vocertly?
Sep 08 00:25:20 <Dave> either that, or took a leak on it
Sep 08 00:25:20 <ljp> covertly?
Sep 08 00:25:49 <ljp> i dont think qtopia could be released covertly.
Sep 08 00:27:42 <Dave> well, try not to screw it up ;)
Sep 08 00:29:41 <tomboy64> is there a way to obtain info which process is accessing a file/dir?
Sep 08 00:29:48 <alphabeat> tomboy64: lsof
Sep 08 00:29:51 <tomboy64> on my desktop i used to use lsof
Sep 08 00:29:56 <alphabeat> oh
Sep 08 00:29:58 <tomboy64> well, it's not available
Sep 08 00:30:11 <alphabeat> hmm i have it...will look for where i got it
Sep 08 00:30:28 <Dave> heh, alphabeat :)
Sep 08 00:30:41 <tomboy64> you do have it?
Sep 08 00:30:44 <tomboy64> hm
Sep 08 00:30:46 <alphabeat> i'm running fso ms2
Sep 08 00:30:48 <alphabeat> you?
Sep 08 00:30:57 <tomboy64> om2008.8
Sep 08 00:30:59 <tomboy64> update
Sep 08 00:31:08 <alphabeat> using zecke's feeds?
Sep 08 00:31:12 <tomboy64> nope
Sep 08 00:31:18 <tomboy64> how do i add them?
Sep 08 00:31:43 <alphabeat> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories
Sep 08 00:31:52 <Dave> lsof - 4.78-r0 - /usr/sbin/lsof
Sep 08 00:32:06 <tomboy64> btw
Sep 08 00:32:18 <tomboy64> what's the difference between diversity-nav and location?
Sep 08 00:32:19 <alphabeat> wait i lie, zecke's feeds aren't listed there sorry
Sep 08 00:33:56 <tomboy64> yeah
Sep 08 00:34:02 <tomboy64> lsof is in the standard repo :-|
Sep 08 00:34:09 <Dave> surprise!
Sep 08 00:34:19 <Dave> :)
Sep 08 00:34:22 <tomboy64> :)
Sep 08 00:34:43 <Dave> Xora, appear yourself!
Sep 08 00:35:17 <tomboy64> is /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite important?
Sep 08 00:35:35 <Dave> :P
Sep 08 00:35:52 <tomboy64> yes, this is a sincere question
Sep 08 00:36:32 <ShellEvil> adsl configure --snr 65430
Sep 08 00:36:32 <ShellEvil> adsl connection --tones 0 32 0xffff0f00 32 224 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Sep 08 00:36:58 <ShellEvil> oops
Sep 08 00:37:39 <torindel> tomboy64: nope
Sep 08 00:37:59 <tomboy64> torindel: what is stored there?
Sep 08 00:38:16 <scarlson_> Hey guys.. Anyone aware of a Timidity port already packaged up for the freerunner?
Sep 08 00:38:33 <Dave> uggh
Sep 08 00:38:41 <Dave> Someone needs a beating.
Sep 08 00:38:59 <weirdedout> anyone got this "pcf50633_irq" when booting om2007.2 after an update?  Is there anyway to fix it?
Sep 08 00:39:08 <weirdedout> X won't start
Sep 08 00:39:27 <weirdedout> but I can still SSH through USB
Sep 08 00:39:38 <Dave> Do you get pages and pages of that? :P
Sep 08 00:39:46 <weirdedout> yep
Sep 08 00:39:52 <Dave> heh
Sep 08 00:39:54 <weirdedout> gets a bit boring after a while.
Sep 08 00:39:55 <Dave> Yeah, I've heard about that
Sep 08 00:40:03 <Dave> I forget what the fix was though
Sep 08 00:40:08 <Dave> it's just stupid
Sep 08 00:40:18 <Dave> opkg takes a dump on you for something retarded.
Sep 08 00:40:22 <weirdedout> the only solution I have found is to refleash.
Sep 08 00:40:40 <weirdedout> but I don't really want to do that if I can help it.
Sep 08 00:40:49 <alphabeat> Dave: xD nice analogy
Sep 08 00:40:59 <Dave> :P
Sep 08 00:41:08 <Dave> it's true though
Sep 08 00:41:19 <Dave> opkg has unfortunately been designed this way :
Sep 08 00:41:42 <Dave> MORE UNFORTUNATELY is that this disgusting sort of behavior has never been REMOVED from it!
Sep 08 00:41:50 <Dave> The opkg devs seriously need a beating.
Sep 08 00:41:52 <Dave> or whipping
Sep 08 00:42:03 <Dave> or caning
Sep 08 00:42:06 <tomboy64> :)
Sep 08 00:42:11 <tomboy64> i want my portage back
Sep 08 00:42:16 <Dave> or something else of equal physical torment
Sep 08 00:42:20 <Dave> heh heh
Sep 08 00:42:24 <Dave> dude
Sep 08 00:42:28 <Dave> it was mirrored after apt
Sep 08 00:42:34 <tomboy64> yeah
Sep 08 00:42:35 <Dave> I'd be happy to just have that!
Sep 08 00:42:41 <tomboy64> debian is simply retarded
Sep 08 00:42:43 <Dave> since it works without any of the bullshit
Sep 08 00:42:45 <tomboy64> you're right there
Sep 08 00:42:50 <Dave> and the options are useful AND work.
Sep 08 00:42:55 <tomboy64> :-D
Sep 08 00:43:08 <Dave> opkg's are half broken, and they're never what you want in the first place
Sep 08 00:43:08 <weirdedout> another suggestion is to reduce the log level using dfu-util but I don't know how to do it.  Can anyone help with that?
Sep 08 00:43:16 <Dave> Like, hi, opkg, I want to install this package
Sep 08 00:43:40 <rwhitby> um, what's opkg got to do with "pcf50633_irq" errors?
Sep 08 00:43:43 <Dave> I always picture a little message popping up then, "Hi, it looks like you're trying to install a package, would you like help with that?"
Sep 08 00:43:56 <Dave> but man, not even that
Sep 08 00:43:59 <Dave> it just fails hard.
Sep 08 00:44:07 <Dave> rwhitby: who knows!
Sep 08 00:44:21 <tomboy64> rwhitby: don't interrupt his ranting
Sep 08 00:44:22 <rwhitby> what are you jabbering on about then?
Sep 08 00:44:25 <tomboy64> he's right at it
Sep 08 00:44:26 <Dave> :D
Sep 08 00:44:27 <tomboy64> :-D
Sep 08 00:44:46 <tomboy64> he might wake up, and hurt himself
Sep 08 00:44:53 <Dave> but seriously, you're like, okay opkg install this package
Sep 08 00:45:16 <Dave> it says, oh no, I can't, it doesn't have the right underscore in it's filename, or doesn't have enough something in it!
Sep 08 00:45:26 <Dave> or it might accidentally overwrite a file that YOU PUT THERE
Sep 08 00:45:47 <rwhitby> um, all good things for a package manager utility to do ...
Sep 08 00:45:49 <Dave> so after getting fed up enough you're like, fuck it, I'm the boss here, opkg --force install this motherfuckingpackage.ipk
Sep 08 00:46:07 <Dave> oh wait, but there IS NO --force option
Sep 08 00:46:08 <Dave> wah wah
Sep 08 00:46:14 <tomboy64> there is
Sep 08 00:46:16 <tomboy64> :)
Sep 08 00:46:25 <rwhitby> if you don't want to use the package manager, and you want to go behind it's back and do things yourself, then just use ar and tar to unpack the .ipks
Sep 08 00:46:43 <Dave> rod, of course you can do that
Sep 08 00:46:52 <rwhitby> you haven't yet stated a situation where it's doing the wrong thing
Sep 08 00:47:09 <rwhitby> where's the bug report you've entered?  got a URL?
Sep 08 00:47:15 <Dave> rwhitby, there are several good examples, and yes, I am merely exaggerating simple situations
Sep 08 00:47:24 <Dave> rwhitby, they have all been logged!
Sep 08 00:47:31 <rwhitby> or are you just ranting for ranting's sake, and are not really interested in getting anything fixed?
Sep 08 00:47:50 <Dave> Rod, I was just ranting here :)
Sep 08 00:47:56 <Dave> Though there are REAL issues with opkg
Sep 08 00:48:02 <Dave> and its performance
Sep 08 00:48:09 <rwhitby> so write a replacement ...
Sep 08 00:48:15 <Dave> sure
Sep 08 00:49:34 <Dave> opkg just looks like a decent hack, left unmaintained
Sep 08 00:49:44 <Dave> like most of the initial freerunner software :|
Sep 08 00:49:49 <weirdedout> OK looks like I'll be reflashing then.
Sep 08 00:49:54 <rwhitby> um, opkg is 1000 times better than it's predecessor, ipkg.
Sep 08 00:50:05 <Dave> rwhitby: well, that is definitely true :D
Sep 08 00:50:08 <Dave> haha
Sep 08 00:50:17 <Staticwave_Ace> Dave: please see apt or emerge for replacement
Sep 08 00:50:24 <Dave> staticwave, duh :p
Sep 08 00:50:29 <Dave> :)
Sep 08 00:50:42 <Staticwave_Ace> I agree that the OE distro is pretty shaky under all this phone stuff
Sep 08 00:50:53 <weirdedout> is om2008.8 ready enough to use? or should I refleash with 2007.2?
Sep 08 00:51:09 <Dave> Where do you even get 2007.2 anymore!?
Sep 08 00:51:10 <Staticwave_Ace> weirdedout: depends on what you want to do with the device
Sep 08 00:51:33 * Dave laments the loss of buildhost
Sep 08 00:51:57 <weirdedout> I would like to be able to use make and receive calls,SMS, browse the net and use the GPS for starters.
Sep 08 00:52:04 <rwhitby> I'm glad buildhost is gone, since it was never defined what it actually built.
Sep 08 00:52:14 <Dave> Well, that is a good point :)
Sep 08 00:52:34 <Staticwave_Ace> weirdedout: IMHO, you can have the first two, or the last two working, I haven't had much luck with all 4 at the same time
Sep 08 00:52:40 <alphabeat> any FSO gurus know what's going on here with my 'make fso-testing-image'? http://pastebin.com/m40c8a76b
Sep 08 00:52:42 <Dave> Though now I am left in bewilderment
Sep 08 00:53:24 <Dave> rwhitby, where, if anywhere, are the OM2007.2 updates? It is "discontinued" according to the wiki. Does that mean there are no more updates? That doesn't exactly make sense, since there were updates up until recently.
Sep 08 00:53:40 <Dave> and 2008.8 is ASU, so what happened to org.openmoko.dev ?
Sep 08 00:53:58 <Dave> In effect, did GTK get BBQ'ed?
Sep 08 00:54:03 <Staticwave_Ace> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2007.11/
Sep 08 00:54:11 <rwhitby> alphabeat: looks like the Makefile is getting confused.  Are you running a make version that understands pattern rules?
Sep 08 00:54:17 <Staticwave_Ace> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/
Sep 08 00:54:17 <weirdedout> ok
Sep 08 00:54:22 <Staticwave_Ace> its still there and built
Sep 08 00:54:26 <rwhitby> Dave: 2007.2 is no longer maintained, therefore no updates
Sep 08 00:54:42 <rwhitby> what part of "no longer maintained" is not clear ;-)
Sep 08 00:54:51 <Dave> that is rather clear
Sep 08 00:55:02 <Staticwave_Ace> weirdedout: qtopia works great for phone stuff, 2008.2 has lots of apps and such, not sure how its phone stuff is doing right now
Sep 08 00:55:07 <Dave> I still think someone should have changed the topic though to reflect recent changes.
Sep 08 00:55:16 <Dave> Like, BUILDHOST IS NO MORE
Sep 08 00:55:23 <weirdedout> I noticed that om2008.8 has a september 04 snapshot anyone tried that?
Sep 08 00:55:27 <rwhitby> org.openmoko.dev does not correspond to any binary image released by openmoko, so why would they provide packages from that?
Sep 08 00:55:32 <Dave> why do we even have that stupid xora comment in there anyway about do not use buildhost to update 2008.8
Sep 08 00:55:37 <Dave> it doesn't even exist anymore!
Sep 08 00:56:12 <rwhitby> so raise a ticket to get it fixed ...
Sep 08 00:56:51 <rwhitby> alphabeat: ah, do you have the wrong makefile in the fso-testing dir?  it should be a symlink to ../common/openembedded.mk
Sep 08 00:56:55 <Dave> rwhitby, I guess my confusion lies in that, I'm faced with a phone which has 2007.2 and all the updates up until bh went away. Am I faced with the fact I will now have to reflash with something else, if I want to be kept "up to date"
Sep 08 00:57:16 <alphabeat> i'll check rwhitby thanks
Sep 08 00:57:16 <Dave> More importantly, the only alternatives seem to be "ASU" (qtopia ickiness), and FSO
Sep 08 00:57:31 <Dave> things are way too sticky at the moment
Sep 08 00:57:35 <Dave> or globular
Sep 08 00:57:44 <rwhitby> Dave: you are using an unmaintained deprecated distribution.  Either live with it's current configuration, or reflash with a maintained release, or build the packages yourself.
Sep 08 00:57:57 <Dave> distributions seem to be melding and merging with others and changing names frequently enough, ambiguous ones at that :)
Sep 08 00:58:18 <Dave> rwhitby: aye aye, captain rod!
Sep 08 00:59:49 <alphabeat> that was it thanks rwhitby. is this an issue with the Makefile?
Sep 08 01:00:03 <rwhitby> alphabeat: dunno how you got into that state
Sep 08 01:00:13 <alphabeat> i followed the instructions on the wiki (wget Makefile, make fso-test..)
Sep 08 01:00:22 <rwhitby> alphabeat: you might want to do a make setup-fso-unstable and compare the two dirs
Sep 08 01:00:31 <alphabeat> now i know how i got here i'll distclean and try again :)
Sep 08 01:00:35 <rwhitby> the only difference should be in the contents of the conf/local.conf file
Sep 08 01:01:12 <rwhitby> yeah, if you haven't started building and can afford to loose the tmp dir, then please try and reproduce so I can fix any potential error
Sep 08 01:01:39 <rwhitby> Dave: I agree that the transition from 2007.2 to 2008.8 was not handled well by openmoko ...
Sep 08 01:02:37 <rwhitby> alphabeat: I just set up an fso-testing build last night which is working fine, so I'm interested why it's not working for you.
Sep 08 01:02:50 <Dave> Well, don't worry. I'm not going to be demanding reparations or anything :)
Sep 08 01:03:03 <rwhitby> you're using the Makefile from shr.bearstech.com (or from the git.fso.org fso-makefile repo?)
Sep 08 01:03:55 * Dave goes off to contemplate his mokofate
Sep 08 01:04:10 <alphabeat> rwhitby: wget http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile
Sep 08 01:04:24 <rwhitby> Dave: just install Debian, and then you won't need to deal with Openmoko release policies any more :-)
Sep 08 01:04:28 <rwhitby> alphabeat: yep
Sep 08 01:05:00 <Dave> Indeed :)
Sep 08 01:05:22 <Staticwave_Ace> install gentoo
Sep 08 01:05:29 <Staticwave_Ace> deal with their insane policies instead
Sep 08 01:05:38 <Dave> fuck that
Sep 08 01:05:43 <Dave> I'm no ricer, foo :p
Sep 08 01:05:43 <rwhitby> yeah, rebuild your distro *on* the phone. that'll be fun.
Sep 08 01:05:47 <Dave> hahaha
Sep 08 01:05:53 <Dave> rwhitby: been there, tried that
Sep 08 01:06:01 <Staticwave_Ace> rwhitby: it *does* have binary package support
Sep 08 01:06:11 <Dave> I've rebuilt the kernel on the moko before
Sep 08 01:06:16 <Staticwave_Ace> you'll note the wiki has stages and a buildhost available
Sep 08 01:06:17 <rwhitby> Staticwave_Ace: what's the point of using Gentoo if you're going to use binary packages?
Sep 08 01:06:29 <Staticwave_Ace> rwhitby: its sane init system for one
Sep 08 01:06:32 <Dave> impurity!
Sep 08 01:06:42 <rwhitby> you might as just use Debian if you're going to succumb to a USE overlord anyway
Sep 08 01:06:51 <Dave> haha
Sep 08 01:07:00 <Dave> yeah, it sounds blasphemous as it is...
Sep 08 01:07:07 <rwhitby> where's the Gentoo pride gone these days ...
Sep 08 01:07:07 <Dave> ... whatever we're talking about :)
Sep 08 01:07:25 <Dave> germany?
Sep 08 01:07:44 <rwhitby> if you haven't wasted weeks building it from scratch with your own personal USE settings, then it can't truly be called Gentoo can it?
Sep 08 01:07:58 <Dave> haha
Sep 08 01:08:07 <Dave> good point :p
Sep 08 01:08:25 <rwhitby> the way things are going with binary Gentoo package, you might even be able to get a reproducible OE build on it ...
Sep 08 01:08:51 <Dave> gah
Sep 08 01:09:23 <ljp> heh oe on the fr
Sep 08 01:10:16 <Dave> yep
Sep 08 01:13:33 <rwhitby> alphabeat: have you been able to reproduce the error?
Sep 08 01:16:00 <alphabeat> still git cloning
Sep 08 01:17:58 <slaxxin> /usr/bin/startx line 158:xauth: command not found ,, process set to priority -1 instead of reguested priority 0 ,,,fatle server error
Sep 08 01:18:47 <slaxxin> hosename lookup failure
Sep 08 01:18:56 <slaxxin> host*
Sep 08 01:19:35 <slaxxin> debian on sd startx
Sep 08 01:20:04 <slaxxin> do i really have to modify xorg or not?
Sep 08 01:29:05 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r30 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Build asu.stable by default, but also support org.om.dev builds too
Sep 08 01:29:15 <alphabeat> rwhitby: make setup-fso-[un]stable gives the same directories i think
Sep 08 01:29:39 <rwhitby> same as in correct, or same as in incorrect?
Sep 08 01:29:58 <alphabeat> well they're identical as far as i can tell
Sep 08 01:30:06 <Dave> :P
Sep 08 01:30:10 <alphabeat> same error with make fso-testing-image
Sep 08 01:33:54 <Dave> man, when will ms3 be released
Sep 08 01:35:33 <rwhitby> alphabeat: ok, let me see if I can recreate the error here
Sep 08 01:35:41 <alphabeat> 5 to go Dave ;) http://trac.freesmartphone.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=milestone3
Sep 08 01:35:49 <rwhitby> you're just doing "wget http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile ; make fso-testing-image" right?
Sep 08 01:35:56 <alphabeat> ok rwhitby. yes that's correct
Sep 08 01:36:46 <alphabeat> i recall at some point having a fso-testing/fso-testing/ directory with Makefile symlinking to ../common/foobar.mk 
Sep 08 01:37:04 <alphabeat> so whether it's going to far or not or it's missing another "../" i'm not sure. you're the makefile guru ;)
Sep 08 01:38:34 <alphabeat> Dave it looks like its' just bizarre SMS issues left for MS3. So maybe you already have it ;)
Sep 08 01:38:47 <alphabeat> oh and suspend/resume :P
Sep 08 01:41:37 <rwhitby> alphabeat: ok, I can reproduce it
Sep 08 01:42:34 <alphabeat> great! easy fix?
Sep 08 01:43:04 <rwhitby> oh, the common dir doesn't get downloaded by default
Sep 08 01:44:16 <rwhitby> yep, easy fix
Sep 08 01:46:30 <alphabeat> should redownload the makefile or git clone the common dir?
Sep 08 01:46:36 <rwhitby> one sec
Sep 08 01:47:07 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r01ddeba7c128 10/Makefile: Makefile: Fixed the dependencies on the common dir
Sep 08 01:47:24 <alphabeat> woot!
Sep 08 01:47:35 <rwhitby> "make update" should get that
Sep 08 01:47:52 <rwhitby> actually, do a "make setup-common" first
Sep 08 01:48:11 <rwhitby> thx for finding the proble,
Sep 08 01:48:22 <alphabeat> no worries. thought it was me :P
Sep 08 01:49:48 <alphabeat> so is 'wget Makefile; make fso-testing-image' still accurate then? or should i update the wiki?
Sep 08 01:50:30 <rwhitby> once I get shr to update the Makefile it will still be accurate
Sep 08 01:50:39 <rwhitby> error: unable to create temporary sha1 filename .git/objects/01: No space left on device
Sep 08 01:50:47 <alphabeat> ok thanks :)
Sep 08 01:50:56 <rwhitby> there is something *very* wrong with the shr autobuilder disks at the moment
Sep 08 01:51:07 <alphabeat> wasn't the size being doubled?
Sep 08 01:51:26 <rwhitby> yes, they mounted a new /home/shr dir via nfs, but something's gone horribly wrong
Sep 08 01:51:38 <alphabeat> indeed. 
Sep 08 01:51:50 <rwhitby> df says the new /home/shr is 30% full, but commands are failing with disk full errors
Sep 08 01:52:04 <rwhitby> and I don't have root on the box to diagnose :-(
Sep 08 01:52:11 <alphabeat> oh bad luck
Sep 08 01:52:21 <alphabeat> dmesg output? broken disk?
Sep 08 01:52:24 * rwhitby starts an fso-testing build on nslu2-linux.org infrastructure ...
Sep 08 01:52:58 <alphabeat> gotta have not having root access
Sep 08 01:53:00 <alphabeat> *hate
Sep 08 01:53:28 <rwhitby> no broken disk, but scanelf is segfaulting and looks like portmap is having problems
Sep 08 01:54:39 <alphabeat> oh man git clone on openembedded is taking forever
Sep 08 01:56:09 <rwhitby> ok, put a work-around in place until they fix the disk
Sep 08 01:57:46 <alphabeat> rwhitby any reason why git clone would be running so slow? it's taking forever to "index". i guess there is 169961 objects...
Sep 08 01:58:46 <rwhitby> alphabeat: OE server load probably
Sep 08 02:00:31 <alphabeat> hmm what i was dreading :(
Sep 08 02:01:14 <alphabeat> hmm..maybe it's doing it's nightly maintenance duties 
Sep 08 02:01:28 <alphabeat> assuming it's in usa/eu
Sep 08 02:13:32 <Staticwave_Ace> anyone know why qtopia doesn't notify me that there's voicemail?
Sep 08 02:23:40 <ssweeny> Staticwave_Ace, do you get a text message from "129"?
Sep 08 02:26:31 <ljp> it determined that the caller wasnt worthy of your time, so ignored it
Sep 08 02:27:32 <ljp> Staticwave_Ace: usually a sms from your provider issues the voicemail notification
Sep 08 02:29:35 <alphabeat> how does it get cleared ljp?
Sep 08 02:29:51 <alphabeat> i guess when you call the designated voicemail number?
Sep 08 02:38:33 * rwhitby sets up http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/images/freesmartphone/ and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/
Sep 08 02:39:49 <alphabeat> wow that was quick rwhitby
Sep 08 02:40:18 <rwhitby> alphabeat: I had started a build there last night, just in case shr.bearstech.com didn't get fixed quickly.
Sep 08 02:40:19 <alphabeat> maybe i'll use those images. building seems to be taking a while...
Sep 08 02:40:23 <alphabeat> oh right
Sep 08 02:40:44 <rwhitby> (for my own use - I just had to do the stuff to sync it to the osuosl server to make it public)
Sep 08 02:41:03 <rwhitby> packages will build now and sync when they are done
Sep 08 02:41:07 <alphabeat> is it hosted in australia?
Sep 08 02:41:17 <rwhitby> no, OSUOSL, in the same rack as master.kernel.org
Sep 08 02:41:28 <alphabeat> ah right
Sep 08 02:42:02 <rwhitby> http://osuosl.org/hosting/clients#nslu2
Sep 08 02:42:07 <alphabeat> that would be quite the rack then eh?
Sep 08 02:42:33 <ljp> alphabeat: what do you mean 'cleared'?
Sep 08 02:42:46 <rwhitby> alphabeat: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl
Sep 08 02:43:02 <alphabeat> ljp: you know how in most phones you get that icon that says you have a voice message? was wondering how that would toggle off so to speak
Sep 08 02:43:23 <alphabeat> rwhitby: this is like geek porn!
Sep 08 02:43:35 <rwhitby> the new machine is http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/NAS-Server
Sep 08 02:43:52 <alphabeat> sexy
Sep 08 02:43:54 <ljp> alphabeat: clicking on it will clear it
Sep 08 02:44:07 <rwhitby> (we have two big iron servers at osuosl, paid for by nslu2-linux community donations of about $10K over the last four years)
Sep 08 02:44:15 <alphabeat> ljp: ok great
Sep 08 02:45:07 <alphabeat> that makes sense ;)
Sep 08 02:46:07 <alphabeat> hehe jacques and the rack: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl/IMG_2046 should have been facing backwards so it said "jacques's back and the rack"
Sep 08 02:49:59 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r3f781c157be0 10/Makefile: Makefile: Better fix for the common dependencies
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